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1 [00:00:03] <jelly> !basic apt troubleshooting
2 [00:00:04] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
3 [00:00:04] <jim> Lope, it's evident you like to tinker...
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11 [00:00:34] <fugue> Anyone here mess with stressapptest?
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13 [00:00:39] <jelly> jim, the only thing evident is they don't think providing complete info is related to getting good help
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36 [00:04:44] <Lope> When I run grub-install it says it's installing for i386-pc platform.
37 [00:04:46] <Lope> seems odd.
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39 [00:04:56] <Lope> is'n't it meant to be x86_64 platform?
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56 [00:07:36] <jelly> Lope, that's normal for mbr boot even on a 64bit installation
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59 [00:08:23] <jim> jelly, yeah, didn't know it was gonna be this bad...
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99 [00:24:35] <kion> If i have Debian with gnome, and want to try fxde, will installing that DE install a bunch of other apps? will it make a negative impact on my current system performance?
100 [00:25:12] <tw> kion: in order: yes, probably not.
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103 [00:26:08] <kion> tw, that would give me the choie while logging in right?
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106 [00:26:42] <tw> If you use a display manager, it should give you the option to select the DE.
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108 [00:27:26] <Lope> I found it, there was a file in /var/lib/initramfs-tools/ with the name of the old kernel. I deleted it and then update-initramfs completed without error.
109 [00:27:34] <Lope> But still
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111 [00:28:01] <Lope> now when I try boot it says alert! /dev/mapper/myvg-mylv does not exist.
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130 [00:35:05] <Lope> so apparently this error happens when the initramfs is made without lvm support
131 [00:35:26] <jim> probably, or other missing modules
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136 [00:40:16] <jim> I think you can tell it to put more modules in the initramfs, by editing a file in /etc/default but I forgot the name
137 [00:40:35] <jim> also I don't know how much control you have
138 [00:42:36] <jmcnaught> the lvm2 package has a /usr/share/initramfs-tools/hooks/lvm2 file that if it exists, lvm support will be included in the initramfs
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141 [00:43:37] <Lope> okay there was also something missing from my old kernel
142 [00:43:55] <Lope> I think the way I installed it before, it was referring to stuff in another dir that no longer exists.
143 [00:44:05] <Lope> anywya, I removed the newer custom kernel also.
144 [00:44:12] <Lope> and mkinitramfs passed.
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146 [00:44:42] <Lope> oops. no it didn't pass.
147 [00:44:43] <Lope> lol
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157 [00:48:02] <jim> did you install a kernel from apt-get?
158 [00:49:23] <Lope> my apt-get isn't functioning
159 [00:49:37] <Lope> getting it unsecurely from the site.
160 [00:50:10] <jim> a linux-image deb?
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164 [00:50:40] <bubba9> hey yall
165 [00:50:44] <jim> hi
166 [00:50:45] <bubba9> how do i get asla working on jessie?
167 [00:50:53] <bubba9> seems to be installed , volume up on mixer, etc
168 [00:50:55] <bubba9> but still wont work!
169 [00:51:04] <bubba9> how long will multimedia not work on linux?
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171 [00:51:30] <jim> 24.6 inches?
172 [00:51:31] <bubba9> flash works fine now, but not audio!!!
173 [00:51:36] <bubba9> what
174 [00:51:52] <bubba9> how do i configure the package to work!
175 [00:51:59] <bubba9> upgrade to unstable?
176 [00:52:00] <jim> oh, that's a time duration...
177 [00:52:02] <Lope> jim: yes
178 [00:52:06] <jim> oops :)
179 [00:52:23] <jmcnaught> bubba9: do things other than flash make sound?
180 [00:52:33] <jim> Lope, that could work
181 [00:52:44] <Lope> jim, yeah I expect it should
182 [00:53:07] <bubba9> dunno
183 [00:53:09] <bubba9> how can i test?
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186 [00:53:34] <bubba9> audio mixer doesnt have a test buttons
187 [00:53:56] <jmcnaught> bubba9: try to open something from /usr/share/sounds
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189 [00:54:02] <jim> thaqt';s probably a good point
190 [00:54:17] <bubba9> how can i run something in bash in that dir?
191 [00:54:24] <bubba9> yeh mixer should have a test button
192 [00:54:24] <bubba9> lol
193 [00:54:25] <jim> the mixer should have test buttons
194 [00:54:28] <bubba9> yes
195 [00:54:35] <bubba9> then slap my name next to it
196 [00:54:45] <bubba9> hell, instead of test you can call it bubba9
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198 [00:55:10] <jim> bubba9 ./scriptfilename.sh
199 [00:55:32] <bubba9> permission denied when trying to run the wav
200 [00:55:35] <bubba9> ./file.wav
201 [00:55:37] <bubba9> under root
202 [00:55:53] <jim> that's not an executable :)
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204 [00:55:58] <jmcnaught> bubba9: open that directory in a file manager
205 [00:56:46] <bubba9> nah sound doesnt work with vlc player either
206 [00:56:55] <bubba9> ITS BROKEN!
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208 [00:57:49] <bubba9> it seems setup fine just doesnt work
209 [00:57:53] <bubba9> using elitebook
210 [00:58:06] <bubba9> why alsa doesnt work!!!!
211 [00:58:06] <jmcnaught> bubba9: run alsamixer (not as root) and hit F6 to select your sound card, then use left, right arrow keys, look for channels that you can toggle, stuff like auto-mute for example
212 [00:58:13] <bubba9> hang on
213 [00:58:17] <jmcnaught> bubba9: please cut down on the noise
214 [00:59:14] <bubba9> same thing
215 [00:59:26] <bubba9> card, pulse audio
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217 [00:59:48] <bubba9> hda intel pch
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219 [01:00:17] <jmcnaught> alsamixer sometimes show special channels not exposed by other mixers, sometimes there are weird toggles there that you need to switch to produce sound
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221 [01:01:57] <jmcnaught> bubba9: the next place to look is pavucontrol (which you may need to install)
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223 [01:02:36] <jmcnaught> you should also confirm that you're not outputting audio to a device you didn't expect, like an HDMI out for your monitor
224 [01:02:48] <bubba9> im not
225 [01:02:51] <bubba9> just a basic laptop bro
226 [01:02:56] <bubba9> im turned up everything but mic
227 [01:02:59] <bubba9> still not working
228 [01:03:30] <jmcnaught> bubba9: are you in GNOME?
229 [01:03:33] <bubba9> no xfce
230 [01:03:48] <bubba9> Chip: Intel PantherPoint HDMI
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234 [01:05:15] <bubba9> can you not produce logs ?
235 [01:05:26] <jmcnaught> me?
236 [01:05:33] <bubba9> well help me to?
237 [01:05:36] <bubba9> would that help to debug?
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239 [01:05:54] <jmcnaught> bubba9: try "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" as root
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241 [01:06:00] <bubba9> sec
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243 [01:06:14] <jmcnaught> bubba9: also get some headphones, try those
244 [01:06:26] <bubba9> Playing WAVE '/usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav' : Signed 16 bit Little Endian, Rate 48000 Hz, Mono
245 [01:06:31] <bubba9> i have, headphones dont work either
246 [01:06:39] <cheapie> Or if you really hate your ears, "aplay /dev/urandom" :P
247 [01:06:43] <bubba9> ill rerun that command with headphones, 1 sec
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249 [01:07:30] <bubba9> same thing with headphones on
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251 [01:07:53] <bubba9> inserted headphone jack and speakers turned off auto, so card must work
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254 [01:08:26] <bubba9> how was elite book never tested properly?
255 [01:09:08] <jmcnaught> bubba9: how do you think that a volunteer project like Debian tests all the combinations of hardware out there? People find bugs, and they report them
256 [01:09:13] <mutante> you didn't install it?
257 [01:09:26] <bubba9> install what?
258 [01:09:34] <bubba9> yes i know
259 [01:09:42] <bubba9> but elitebook was popular i thought, high end
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261 [01:10:01] <mutante> did you try to google "debian on elitebook" before you bought it?
262 [01:10:07] <bubba9> no lol
263 [01:10:12] <bubba9> im not crazy :P
264 [01:10:28] <Lope> Wow I could really facepalm right now
265 [01:10:40] <jmcnaught> bubba9: "lspci -nn |grep -i audio"
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267 [01:10:45] <Lope> the source of much of my problems is I did not create a /tmp dir in the newly copied fs
268 [01:10:51] <Lope> cos I excluded /tmp
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270 [01:11:25] <bubba9> 00:1b.0 Audio device [0403]: Intel Corporation 7 Series/C210 Series Chipset Family High Definition Audio Controller [8086:1e20] (rev 04)
271 [01:11:29] <mutante> bubba9: We have different definitons of crazy.
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273 [01:11:44] <jmcnaught> ,pciid 8086:1e20
274 [01:11:45] <judd> [8086:1e20] is '7 Series/C216 Chipset Family High Definition Audio Controller' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel modules 'ata_generic', 'snd-hda-intel' in jessie. See also replaced-url
275 [01:11:48] <garn32> question: trying to run "sudo pactl set-sink-input-volume 2" but keep getting "pa_context_connect() failed: Connection refused", pulseaudio is set to autostart... any one have a clue on how to make the command work?
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277 [01:12:09] <jmcnaught> garn32: did you try without sudo?
278 [01:12:18] <bubba9> apt-get install snd-hda-intel ?
279 [01:12:33] <garn32> jmcnaught: yes I have tried running it with and without, but I would double check
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281 [01:12:53] <jmcnaught> bubba9: no that's a module name, but it suggests that the hardware is supported and you have a configuration bug somewhere
282 [01:13:03] <bubba9> its vanilla install tho
283 [01:13:22] <bubba9> YOU have a config problem somewhere, not I.
284 [01:13:46] <jmcnaught> bubba9: we're all in this together, but if you don't drop the attitude then you're not going to get any help
285 [01:14:10] <bubba9> just messing with you
286 [01:14:13] <bubba9> yes
287 [01:14:15] <bubba9> but how do i fix it
288 [01:14:24] <bubba9> snd-hda-intel is in the kernel broseph
289 [01:14:44] <bubba9> vanilla install, no custom configs, sound doesnt work with snd-hda-intel
290 [01:14:48] <bubba9> completely upgraded
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293 [01:15:54] <jmcnaught> bubba9: replaced-url
294 [01:16:11] <jmcnaught> you could try the model parameter
295 [01:16:25] <bubba9> saw that but cant find nano /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base
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298 [01:17:02] <bubba9> fbdev-blacklist.conf modesetting.conf <-- only files in dir
299 [01:17:48] <jmcnaught> bubba9: you can make new files in that directory
300 [01:17:53] <bubba9> replaced-url
301 [01:17:57] <PipeItToDevNull> Ok, so I saw a way to "make" when compiling a kernel that looks at what is currenly loaded, and only builds that. I cannot find it again for the life of me. It is an argument like makeoldconfig
302 [01:17:58] <bubba9> k
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305 [01:18:57] <jmcnaught> bubba9: that ubuntu link has a warning it's out of date…
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307 [01:19:01] <bubba9> alsa force-reload >> command not found.
308 [01:19:13] <bubba9> does it still need to be same file name tho?
309 [01:20:11] <bubba9> going to try this; options snd-hda-intel model=basic
310 [01:20:17] <bubba9> but how do i force reload so i dont have to reboot?
311 [01:20:17] <jmcnaught> bubba9: what does "grep Codec /proc/asound/card0/codec*" say?
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313 [01:20:56] <bubba9> replaced-url
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321 [01:25:07] <bubba9> tried /etc/init.d/alsa-utils restart
322 [01:25:13] <bubba9> daemon doesnt output anything to term
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324 [01:25:54] <jmcnaught> bubba9: it would require unloading modules and reloading them using modprobe, probably easier to reboot. Where did you get the info to decide on model=basic?
325 [01:25:58] <Lope> okay i give up
326 [01:26:01] <Lope> jim: lol
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328 [01:26:12] <bubba9> my brain
329 [01:26:16] <bubba9> which should i use? basic?
330 [01:26:21] <garn32> jmcnaught: figured it out, missed playing with the firewall, I have fixed my issue, thanks for the previous quick help
331 [01:26:54] <bubba9> alsa should have a reset option per init.d
332 [01:27:15] <bubba9> daemon claims it does, doesnt work either
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336 [01:28:17] <Imbattible> Hi there!
337 [01:28:24] <bubba9> brb, going down for reboot
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340 [01:29:59] <bubba9> thx for help thus far
341 [01:30:00] <bubba9> be back in a jiffy
342 [01:30:21] <Imbattible> Anyone know how to create an undetectable reverse shell :)
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345 [01:31:26] <bubba9> wait, wait!!!
346 [01:31:27] <bubba9> it works!
347 [01:31:35] <bubba9> weird.
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349 [01:32:03] <bubba9> but yeh so that file must have been needed.
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352 [01:32:31] <bubba9> whats a good song?
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354 [01:32:49] <jmcnaught> bubba9: sweet! you could try it again without the file, see if it was something else you did, but i'm glad you got it working
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356 [01:33:13] <Kilo`byte> so i have mounted an existing debian in another debian. both are from different architecture (outer is x86, inner is arm). can i get the outer apt to update or install packages in the inner debian
357 [01:33:16] <bubba9> well, i looked into the audio mixer gui and unmuted also
358 [01:33:26] <bubba9> dunno, i tried that before no cigar tho
359 [01:33:27] <Kilo`byte> i can't chroot since the architectures don't match
360 [01:34:17] <bubba9> later yall. peace out! :)
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362 [01:34:57] <jmcnaught> Kilo`byte: you'll probably need to run it inside qemu
363 [01:35:14] <Digz> Kilo`byte, if you merely mounted the drive that other linux is on.... then no.... you can't. I don't know if virtualbox can virtualize arm environments (I suspect not) but I think the only way to update it is to mount that disk into an arm computer and boot it up
364 [01:35:37] <Kilo`byte> in particular i want to have a pi image bootable via pxe which is mounted readonly via nfs but with ability to update it without needing dedicated hardware to update it
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366 [01:35:59] <Digz> ah! qemu should be able to run arm indeed!
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368 [01:36:14] <Kilo`byte> qemu can for sure, but in this case i was simplifying. there is no actual block device to forward into a vm
369 [01:36:49] <Digz> where did the mounted image come from?
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371 [01:37:20] <Kilo`byte> either created on actual hardware or via debootstrap. it doesn't exist yet, i am just planning for whats possible
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374 [01:37:55] <Kilo`byte> plan is to have around ~9 pis for unattended displays which just use network boot so i don't have to maintain 9 individual setups
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376 [01:38:17] <Kilo`byte> but thats worthless if i can't easily update them from a central point
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390 [01:43:55] <jim> Lope, right now in your particular situation it's unfortunate... but who knows, the debian-specific stuff and how they do and did things, might grow on you
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395 [01:45:45] <jim> it's not a good idea to mess with debian packaging, -if- you hope to use the resulting mechanisms that have been put in place to make a much larger system work
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399 [01:49:06] <gtt> when I start the openvpn server, it says active(exited) SUCCESS as shown here: replaced-url
400 [01:49:18] <gtt> but I don't see the service listening in port 1194
401 [01:49:43] <gtt> through netstat -ltup
402 [01:50:03] <gtt> and I don't see any errors, clearly the service isn't starting but systemd is telling me that it is
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404 [01:50:19] <gtt> I don't see anything in the journal
405 [01:51:03] <Lope> jim: no worries mate
406 [01:51:11] <Lope> I've been wanting to upgrade for ages
407 [01:51:22] <Lope> /reinstall, etc
408 [01:51:28] <Lope> so it's just forced me to do it.
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410 [01:51:32] <aaro> lsof -i :1194 gtt
411 [01:52:19] <gtt> aaro: nothing
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413 [01:52:33] <aaro> gtt try with sudo
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415 [01:52:46] <gtt> could it have anything to do with user nobody and group nogroup?
416 [01:52:58] <gtt> failing silently but how come systemctl says it's success
417 [01:53:02] <gtt> aaro: I'm already root
418 [01:54:22] <jmcnaught> Kilo`byte: maintain them with ansible playbooks store in a git repo, or saltstack maybe
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420 [01:54:35] <Kilo`byte> yeah, i was thinking saltstack too
421 [01:54:47] <Kilo`byte> that'd be the alternative
422 [01:56:47] <gtt> now it is working, but such an obscure solution it should be printed
423 [01:56:57] <gtt> replaced-url
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431 [02:00:50] <spikeyball> have any of you used linux academy for various cert prep?
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434 [02:03:07] <jim> I think psi-jack did
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454 [02:16:44] <forcerecon> spikeyball: I have..
455 [02:17:35] <forcerecon> spikeyball: I have also used udemy for 5 day linux course and all volumes of network security along with ethical hacking..
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459 [02:17:49] <forcerecon> spikeyball: cyber security is also good from stationx
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476 [02:27:46] <jim> gftg, be nice to server bandwidth... I don't think there's much going on now, but if there was, nick change to mark yourself away for 1 minute is probably wasteful
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478 [02:28:22] <gftg> indeed
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588 [03:46:33] <_rubik> So I just did a fresh x64 install of Deb 9, and now I can't seem to get root access. My default user is not in sudo file, su gives me an authentication failure, and I can't log into root? What next?
589 [03:47:46] <leibniz> nnn:
590 [03:48:03] <spikeyball> _rubik, funny you mention that. i had the same issue with my vm debian
591 [03:48:25] <spikeyball> though it was me and i forgot my root password, did a reinstall, and still the same thing
592 [03:48:36] <_rubik> I tried reinstalling a second time, thinking that I missed something in the install. But no
593 [03:48:43] <Eduard_Munteanu> _rubik, can you log in as root directly?
594 [03:48:54] <_rubik> Eduard_Munteanu: from login? No
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597 [03:49:17] <_rubik> For more background info. I went with the deb 9 x64 gnome iso
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600 [03:50:05] <spikeyball> same here
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602 [03:50:32] <spikeyball> this is why i always play with a vm prior to an actual install
603 [03:50:38] <Eduard_Munteanu> _rubik, you could boot up in a rescue environment, mount, chroot and see if your user is in the sudo/wheel group.
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607 [03:51:47] <_rubik> Eduard_Munteanu: It is not in the sudo / wheel group. I feel like this should be able to do without rescue... I mean deb 9 is stable now.
608 [03:52:07] <Eduard_Munteanu> _rubik, did you set up a root password?
609 [03:52:21] <_rubik> Yes. I viewed in clear text to verify too.
610 [03:53:30] <Eduard_Munteanu> _rubik, it would be really strange if you could not login directly as root with the root password. I hope you're not confusing the root and user passwords.
611 [03:54:03] <_rubik> I am not confusing them.
612 [03:54:24] <spikeyball> Eduard, I am having the same issue, as well
613 [03:54:43] <Eduard_Munteanu> spikeyball, and you can't login with root directly either?
614 [03:54:47] <spikeyball> correct
615 [03:54:54] <spikeyball> i just setup a fresh vm of it, too
616 [03:56:27] <spikeyball> can't login as root or use su
617 [03:56:51] <Eduard_Munteanu> Seems to have been reported: replaced-url
618 [03:56:52] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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621 [03:57:24] <spikeyball> crazy
622 [03:57:24] <_rubik> Mind is not a live image though.
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624 [03:57:59] <Eduard_Munteanu> I would check if a newer image has since been released.
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628 [03:58:39] <_rubik> Yeah. Im also not getting the gnome iso either. I knew that was a bad call *grumble*
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635 [04:00:42] <spikeyball> for once, it's not user error
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637 [04:01:07] <Eduard_Munteanu> _rubik, spikeyball, it's easy to work around though, you just need to reset the root password with a boot disk or editing the GRUB command line
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643 [04:04:34] <_rubik> Eduard_Munteanu: remind me again the directory I need to mount? It has been a while since I've done this.
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645 [04:05:03] <Eduard_Munteanu> _rubik, mount the root partition somewhere, then chroot to it and call passwd
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655 [04:05:59] <^NIKNAME^> I LIKE WHEN BEG FOR MY COCK LIKE LITTLE WHORES!! quicktalkeh676te.onion/6697: boser Robby jback Hobby_boy sekjun9878 sptnx darkstalker rozie monty blackes__ snw UUID02 Afforess blackwell Igel bois Sleepy63 satbyy kpease pugfantus AndrewMC Silmaril heinrich5991 Delta-One tensorpudding adc mikey1 _aeris_ gvo Ceber Janhouse voipmonk mingdao cymen Poster ffernand rypervenche Texou will__ eldritch loeken ribasushi lohenpaa kirb Modeuse tyranny12 barteks2x Ro
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657 [04:06:00] <Eduard_Munteanu> _rubik, alternatively, you can edit the GRUB entry and add init=/bin/bash at the end of the kernel command line, that'll drop you to a shell and you can call passwd
658 [04:06:04] <charlie1> I LIKE WHEN BEG FOR MY COCK LIKE LITTLE WHORES!! quicktalkeh676te.onion/6697: v4s tobiw nicoulaj46 ajp funnel nshp suffer xnite_ Baudelaire _KaszpiR_ Slumlord_ Immanuel Butt3rfly sobkas tyranny12 kloeri Namarrgon stefanc_diff themill nopf sbine n0arch JelmerD High_Priest Tristan-Speccy Myk267 pvoigt ca_buf systo simp spooky dos1 darkalia saptech punk3r StathisA davdunc simonlnu Darby_Crash duoi kirb Jguy Xjs|moonshine dogui banging_ karstensrage mdk hosif
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679 [04:07:31] <_rubik> Well that just happned.
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684 [04:08:20] <uxfi> eh?
685 [04:08:24] <electricfuneral> just ignore it
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690 [04:08:49] <insecurity> Neat
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693 [04:09:31] <BenderRodriguez> lol
694 [04:09:35] <BenderRodriguez> why tho
695 [04:09:38] <BenderRodriguez> what's the end goal
696 [04:09:40] <BenderRodriguez> with these bots
697 [04:10:22] <_rubik> To beg for his ... HEY LOOK chroot worked
698 [04:10:26] <electricfuneral> so that people talk about it at length after it's done and over. -_-
699 [04:10:26] <electricfuneral> just don't give them attention
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709 [04:14:00] <_rubik> Eduard_Munteanu: So I just mounted /dev/sda2, chroot, and added my user to visudo.
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712 [04:14:26] <Eduard_Munteanu> _rubik, you don't need to visudo, there's a group there alreadyy
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714 [04:15:01] <_rubik> Eduard_Munteanu: Actually there was not
715 [04:15:11] <jusss> how I can install openvpn v2.4+ on debian?
716 [04:15:16] <_rubik> Either way, I now have sudo privs, so I can change things around should I need to.
717 [04:15:19] <jusss> it's v2.3 on the repo
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719 [04:16:18] <BenderRodriguez> compile from source or add a newer repository to apt
720 [04:16:34] <BenderRodriguez> if they provide it and you trust it
721 [04:17:04] <Eduard_Munteanu> jusss, Debian 9 (Stretch) has OpenVPN 2.4
722 [04:17:14] <Eduard_Munteanu> jusss, it's also available in jessie-backports
723 [04:18:21] <jmcnaught> jusss: are you trying to get a newer openvpn because of a security issue, or for a new feature?
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727 [04:18:59] <jusss> jmcnaught: new feature, tls-crypt
728 [04:19:22] <jmcnaught> ,checkbackport openvpn
729 [04:19:23] <judd> Backporting package openvpn in sid→stretch/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using stretch, archignore.
730 [04:19:50] <jmcnaught> jusss: "/msg dpkg ssb" for instructions on how to backport a package from unstable to stable
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733 [04:20:29] <Eduard_Munteanu> There's already a backported package, unless you want 2.4.3 instead of just 2.4.0.
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736 [04:21:10] <jusss> how I update it?
737 [04:21:36] <Eduard_Munteanu> ,backports
738 [04:21:46] <Eduard_Munteanu> dpkg, backports
739 [04:21:46] <dpkg> A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. replaced-url
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742 [04:22:14] <jmcnaught> oh i see i got my versions confused. you could also upgrade to stretch
743 [04:22:51] <Eduard_Munteanu> replaced-url
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745 [04:23:33] <jusss> deb replaced-url
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747 [04:24:14] <Eduard_Munteanu> Yeah, that should do.
748 [04:24:21] <jusss> thanks
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750 [04:25:22] <Eduard_Munteanu> Then after apt-get update, install with apt-get install -t jessie-backports openvpn
751 [04:27:57] <jusss> ok
752 [04:28:10] <_rubik> Eduard_Munteanu: and now for my favorite task... nvidia drivers
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754 [04:28:59] <Eduard_Munteanu> _rubik, I would try nouveau first
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766 [04:43:59] <jrmu> wow jigdo is fast
767 [04:43:59] <jrmu> :)
768 [04:43:59] <jrmu> I'm never downloading by http again
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789 [05:18:17] <_rubik> Eduard_Munteanu: Finally shifted over to the new install. Thanks for the help
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812 [05:35:09] <Lady_Aleena> Hello. Will Stretch fit on a rw CD-rom or do I need a rw DVD-rom for it?
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815 [05:35:41] <bazhang> the fullest install?
816 [05:35:48] <bazhang> why not net install
817 [05:35:49] <Hoolootwo> the netinstall will probably fit on a cd
818 [05:36:00] <Hoolootwo> well, it will
819 [05:36:13] <bazhang> does your machine not usb boot?
820 [05:36:13] <Lady_Aleena> The computer has an internet connection, so I think the netinstall would be okay.
821 [05:36:37] <Lady_Aleena> I don't have a spare USB drive.
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825 [05:37:39] <bazhang> usb stick, in case that was not clear
826 [05:37:43] <bazhang> not a hdd
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828 [05:38:09] <Lady_Aleena> USB drive/stick is the same thing to me.
829 [05:38:16] <bazhang> heh
830 [05:38:28] <bazhang> I have some 500gb usb hdd
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832 [05:38:41] <bazhang> and the largest stick is 128
833 [05:38:45] <Lady_Aleena> I wish I could afford that.
834 [05:38:53] <bazhang> super cheapo
835 [05:39:02] <Lady_Aleena> How cheap?
836 [05:39:09] <bazhang> usb stick at 64gb is $25
837 [05:39:18] <Lady_Aleena> I meant the drive.
838 [05:39:36] <bazhang> less than a hundred
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841 [05:40:48] <Lady_Aleena> I wish I could just click install on a web page and install Debian onto a computer without having to make a disk for it. But I won't be dual booting the computer where I am going to install it.
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848 [05:43:04] <Lady_Aleena> Hopefully YouTube videos will play on that computer with Debian Stretch. Avast antivirus just updated on that Windows XP computer and now videos won't play at all. So I am going to try Debian on it.
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855 [05:45:36] <Lady_Aleena> Now to figure out what image to download.
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862 [05:49:16] <Lady_Aleena> I don't know it the computer is amd64 or i386.
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870 [05:53:28] <Lady_Aleena> Does anyone here know how to use K3b to make an install disk for Debian? I haven't used it for that yet, so don't know what I'm doing.
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873 [05:58:14] <monksam> Lady_Aleena: replaced-url
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875 [06:00:00] <Lady_Aleena> Thanks monksam.
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904 [06:30:13] <password2> oh boy , I'll never get used to how fast an ssd installs with packages
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912 [06:36:01] <password2> like 10 seconds for 90 packages
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974 [07:50:45] <rk[ghost]> this is a general question, but i thought i would ask here anyway: any way to increase the font size of xterm post spawning the process?
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981 [07:55:39] <somiaj> sorry ctrl-right click
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984 [07:55:59] <somiaj> ctrl- right/middle/left click brings up different menus in xterm
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1023 [08:08:10] <rk[ghost]> somiaj: ah, i always forget about clicking (no mouse.. =P)
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1029 [08:11:08] <z8z> After debian 9 install all kate session profiles are gone... how did they change the config files paths?
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1035 [08:12:31] <rk[ghost]> OK, got it working, but because i have to do it all mangly, it causes a bunch of junk to be outputted to my screen. need to figure out how to do this programatiicaly =P
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1072 [08:32:15] <trulu> jn
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1097 [08:41:32] <trulu> greetings friends and fruits
1098 [08:42:14] <trulu> Yesterday someone suggest me to do my debootstrap on Debian VM instead of Ubuntu because I was getting errors
1099 [08:42:30] <trulu> Today I tried again on Debian and I still get the same errors
1100 [08:42:33] <trulu> I: Unpacking ucf... I: Unpacking usbutils... I: Unpacking vim-common... I: Unpacking vim-tiny... I: Unpacking xxd... I: Unpacking wget... I: Unpacking libxapian30:arm64... W: Failure while installing base packages. This will be re-attempted up to five times. W: See //debootstrap/debootstrap.log for details (possibly the package /var/cache/apt/archives/init_1.48_arm64.deb is at fault) W: Failure while installing base packages. This wi
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1102 [08:44:13] <trulu> The project is on replaced-url
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1105 [08:44:50] <trulu> When I try the jessie version of the same project it goes through
1106 [08:45:33] <trulu> Running Windows with VirtualBox and Debian Stretch VM
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1112 [08:49:04] <trulu> any thoughts on this issue ?
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1178 [09:18:09] <HBb_> hi, i have a problem when apt install a "pkg". it download and install but clean /var/cache/apt/archives/{"pkg","deps"}
1179 [09:18:39] <HBb_> APT::Clean-Installed "off"; don't fix this
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1193 [09:24:21] <solrize> can i update from wheezy to stretch by dist-upgrade, or do i have to go through jessie first?
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1195 [09:25:06] <pclover> I have a question a package that existed in debian 8 appears to be removed in debian 9 is there any way i find out why?
1196 [09:25:09] <towo^work> i don't think wheezy => stretch would work
1197 [09:25:11] <pclover> In this case it's mingw32
1198 [09:25:14] <solrize> k
1199 [09:25:14] <somiaj> upgrade scripts are designed to only go one release at a time, same with transition packages. You will want to go through jessie
1200 [09:25:15] <solrize> thanks
1201 [09:25:19] <somiaj> solrize: ^^
1202 [09:25:27] <somiaj> pclover: what is the package name?
1203 [09:25:30] <solrize> yeah saw. backing off to jessie
1204 [09:25:31] <solrize> thanks
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1207 [09:25:40] <pclover> somiaj, mingw32
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1210 [09:27:22] <somiaj> pclover: it wasn't removed, replaced-url
1211 [09:27:38] <somiaj> pclover: mingw32 was just a transition package in jessie, so figure out what it transitioned too
1212 [09:27:52] <pclover> hum
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1215 [09:28:13] <shtrb> Is there a fast way to know if the upstream patch for #867379 was applied to the current version in debian ?
1216 [09:28:14] <judd> Bug replaced-url
1217 [09:28:21] <somiaj> in jessie itwas just a transition package, so install what it now depends on replaced-url
1218 [09:28:33] <somiaj> seems like mingw32-binutils and other stuff
1219 [09:28:47] <somiaj> shtrb: it would be in the changelog
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1221 [09:28:53] <shtrb> thanks
1222 [09:29:04] <pclover> which is also not found
1223 [09:29:08] <pclover> form apt-cache at least
1224 [09:29:17] <pclover> looking hum
1225 [09:29:43] <somiaj> sorry that is a transtiion package too, gcc-mingw-w64-i686 and g++-mingw-w64-i686 might be the packages you need.
1226 [09:29:50] <somiaj> just do a search for mingw, you'll see lots of packages
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1228 [09:30:27] <pclover> yeah what i am looking for is i586-mingw32msvc-gcc which that package provided
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1256 [09:49:01] <pclover> somiaj, i've installed like every mingw package possible and still don't have what i need any ideas?
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1259 [09:50:12] <qqumber> guys, I hate people?
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1261 [09:50:45] <somiaj> pclover: I don't know mingw so unsure what it is you are doing or need. But the packages were transition packages in jessie as the debian changed how it packaged that software
1262 [09:51:07] <pclover> hum yeah reading that now
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1267 [09:52:03] <qqumber> pclover: I hate people that are better than me, I want to kill them
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1276 [09:59:12] <pclover> tho i do see Drop mingw32 transitional package in the changelog
1277 [09:59:13] <pclover> so hum
1278 [10:00:04] <trulu> greetings can someone tell me how to fix these huge logs in debian
1279 [10:00:05] <trulu> Sent message type=method_call sender=n/a destination=org.freedesktop.systemd1 object=/org/freedesktop/systemd1/unit/docker_2eservice interface=org.freedesktop.DBus.Properties member=Get cookie=4 reply_cookie=0 error=n/a Sent message type=method_call sender=n/a destination=org.freedesktop.systemd1 object=/org/freedesktop/systemd1/unit/docker_2eservice interface=org.freedesktop.DBus.Properties member=Get cookie=5 reply_cookie=0 error=n/a
1280 [10:00:31] <joschakn> Hey, i want to install the i3wm on a freshly installed debian 9 (stretch) System. I need at least i3 4.8. Can anyone tell me why the jessie-repo(oldstable) repo contains Version 4.8 and the stretch and buster repos sontain the old Version 4.13-1?
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1285 [10:01:46] <trulu> any idea ???????
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1288 [10:02:12] <shtrb> trulu , debugging enabled ?
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1290 [10:02:21] <trulu> how do I know that
1291 [10:02:24] <shtrb> *did you enable dbus debugging
1292 [10:02:28] <trulu> I just updated the kernel and then
1293 [10:02:35] <trulu> this showed up
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1295 [10:03:02] <trulu> How can I disable debugging ?
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1297 [10:03:26] <trulu> shtrb: ????
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1299 [10:04:01] <shtrb> trulu , If you didn't enable it explicitly it is not what I thought , maybe debug-shell is active ?
1300 [10:04:09] <shtrb> systemctl status debug-shell
1301 [10:04:27] <shtrb> sorry wrong thing
1302 [10:04:45] <trulu> shtrb: Showing one /org/freedesktop/systemd1/unit/debug_2dshell_2eservice Sent message type=method_call sender=n/a destination=org.freedesktop.systemd1 object=/org/freedesktop/systemd1/unit/debug_2dshell_2eservice interface=org.freedesktop.DBus.Properties member=GetAll cookie=1 reply_cookie=0 error=n/a ConditionPathExists 0 0 /dev/tty9 0 ● debug-shell.service - Early root shell on /dev/tty9 FOR DEBUGGING ONLY Loaded: loaded (/lib/
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1304 [10:05:09] <shtrb> Ignore , that is the wrong thing (it was a brain fart)
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1306 [10:05:39] <trulu> shtrb: Lol brain fart you made my day
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1308 [10:06:14] <trulu> shtrb: First time I read that and it is super funny
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1313 [10:10:18] <shtrb> tulu , did you setup SYSTEMD_LOG_LEVEL in the environment ?
1314 [10:10:42] <shtrb> or kenrel have systemd.log_level=debug ?
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1322 [10:15:05] <shtrb> *trulu ?
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1335 [10:25:00] <Silmaril> joschakn: how come you think that 13 is older than 8 ?
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1343 [10:28:17] <joschakn> allready got it. Somehow was really confused.. Now it all makes sence ;)
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1353 [10:34:31] <solrize> is there a way to apt-get install a specific package along with all the recommended and suggested packages for it?
1354 [10:34:39] <solrize> or even to find out what they are again, after the initial install?
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1361 [10:36:24] <aindilis> solrize: if you haven't heard, there is a log in like /var/apt/cache or /var/lib/apt or something
1362 [10:36:27] <aindilis> that shows what was installed
1363 [10:36:34] <aindilis> maybe /var/log/apt
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1365 [10:36:55] <aindilis> as far as a specific package, I think you mean like specific version
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1367 [10:37:00] <solrize> well i know what was installed, i'm trying to find out the suggested stuff that wasn't installed
1368 [10:37:19] <aindilis> there is some command maybe like `sudo apt-get install flp:2.2` or something
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1370 [10:37:23] <aindilis> flp=2.2 maybe
1371 [10:37:35] <solrize> to get a version?
1372 [10:37:40] <aindilis> yeah I think
1373 [10:37:49] <aindilis> there's also a way to specify which repo to use
1374 [10:37:51] <aindilis> maybe -t/
1375 [10:37:51] <aindilis> ?
1376 [10:38:23] <aindilis> so you can take the package, extract it using like ar or something, and open the data.tgz or something and grab the control file, that tells the dependencies
1377 [10:38:32] <aindilis> you could then subtract to obtain the list, idk?
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1379 [10:38:43] <aindilis> if you haven't solved this tomorrow ping me and I will write a script
1380 [10:38:49] <aindilis> adougher9@yahoo.com
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1385 [10:39:14] <aindilis> pls let me know if this is what you need or if you require further assistance
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1388 [10:39:43] <aindilis> I could be way off, ianae
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1404 [10:48:45] <trulu> shtrb: Sorry mate
1405 [10:48:58] <trulu> shtrb: I was bugged by something
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1408 [10:49:18] <trulu> how do i check the system logs
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1410 [10:49:49] <trulu> shtrb: The is no SYSTEMD_LOG_LEVEL environment variable
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1415 [10:53:29] <OS-28490> /msg NickServ IDENTIFY mztkn
1416 [10:53:54] <petn-randall> OS-28490: You might want to change your password.
1417 [10:54:02] <monksam> lol
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1419 [10:54:17] <aindilis> join us now and share the software
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1421 [10:54:35] <petn-randall> OS-28490: A good password is a mix of upper and lower case letters and numbers.
1422 [10:54:40] <shtrb> *systemd.log kernel option
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1424 [10:55:09] <dgriffi> /msg nickserv identify slartibartfasteatsdonuts
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1428 [10:56:45] <shtrb> petn-randall , a good password is something that you can remember and is long enough (use passphrases )
1429 [10:57:17] <monksam> Like wildothedildoman182
1430 [10:57:29] <shtrb> trulu , where did you get that kernel ?
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1433 [10:57:51] <aindilis> anyone have a script for recognizing passwords based on their entropy in plain text files?
1434 [10:57:52] <trulu> from mainline 4.12 arm64
1435 [10:58:08] <tx> true hackers use a backspace in their password
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1437 [10:58:10] <tx> :P
1438 [10:58:26] <trulu> shtrb: replaced-url
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1440 [10:58:41] <Lowl3v3l> aindilis: "based on entropy" is difficult. many people use passwords that are incredibly unentropic ;)
1441 [10:58:52] <aindilis> well it doesn't have to be complete
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1443 [10:58:57] <aindilis> it could just find the ones that aren't
1444 [10:59:15] <Lowl3v3l> aindilis: though, you could just use a wordlist, sort out everything that is in this and hope you dont filter out passwords as well xD
1445 [10:59:41] <aindilis> well there are too many rare alleles to make that feasible
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1447 [11:00:06] <aindilis> I have a named entity repo that is 94 gigabytes and it doesn't even include the acronym of the project I've been working on for 17 years
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1449 [11:00:29] <aindilis> so I was thinking just computing the entropy for differnet sized windows and detecting maxima
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1451 [11:00:45] <aindilis> I guess if a smaller window succeeded it would extend the window
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1459 [11:04:43] <shtrb> trulu , that is not a debian package
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1465 [11:07:27] <qqbanevade> THIS IS MY TERRITORY! *PEES ALL OVER THE PLACE* WOFF WOFF WOFF!
1466 [11:07:41] <shtrb> trulu , how did you add it in grub ?
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1468 [11:08:23] <Sayona> Hi, is a way to install php 5.6 on debian 9?
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1471 [11:09:31] <trulu> using u-boot
1472 [11:09:34] <trulu> on arm64
1473 [11:10:38] <Sayona> ?
1474 [11:10:43] <petn-randall> ,v php5
1475 [11:10:44] <judd> Package: php5 on amd64 -- wheezy: 5.4.45-0+deb7u2; wheezy-security: 5.4.45-0+deb7u8; jessie: 5.6.30+dfsg-0+deb8u1; jessie-security: 5.6.30+dfsg-0+deb8u1
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1478 [11:11:35] <petn-randall> Sayona: No, stretch only ships with PHP7.0. You can however still install jessie (8), it still receives security support.
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1483 [11:12:42] <Sayona> petn-randall, where I find a tutorial?
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1486 [11:14:17] <trulu> shtrb: I'm using u-boot
1487 [11:14:25] <trulu> shtrb: For arm64 boards
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1490 [11:15:35] <petn-randall> !release notes
1491 [11:15:36] <dpkg> The release notes for Debian 9 "Stretch" are at replaced-url
1492 [11:16:04] <petn-randall> Sayona: replaced-url
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1494 [11:16:43] <petn-randall> !jessie install guide
1495 [11:16:44] <dpkg> The Installation Guide for Debian 8 "Jessie" can be found at replaced-url
1496 [11:16:54] <petn-randall> Sayona: Also this here. ^^^
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1502 [11:19:37] <vap0r> hi all, im trying to install the newest version of irssi from source and need libncurses5-dev.. but i keep getting this error: replaced-url
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1505 [11:21:00] <Sayona> I know how to install jessie :)
1506 [11:21:22] <Sayona> I want to use debian 9 with php 5.6
1507 [11:21:26] <Sayona> is not posible?
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1509 [11:21:51] <dgriffi> how would someone downgrade the kernel in Debian 9 to 3.16?
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1512 [11:22:17] <trulu> shtrb: Are you there ?
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1516 [11:23:23] <shtrb> trulu , yes (reading about uboot)
1517 [11:23:37] <shtrb> trying to understand how you pass kernel parms there
1518 [11:23:45] <dury> hi there channel :-)
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1521 [11:24:27] <shtrb> dgrifii , you can always download the older package and repackage it (rebuild)
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1524 [11:25:06] <dgriffi> shtrb: I figured that... I was hoping to find a guide or howto on the subject.,
1525 [11:25:15] <dury> as we are debian users what's the most of smartphone to use android, IOs ....?
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1528 [11:26:10] <julius> hi
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1531 [11:26:31] <julius> i just installed the latest kernel and it complained that it couldnt find the headers when running: /etc/kernel/postinst.d/dkms:
1532 [11:26:34] <julius> Error! Your kernel headers for kernel 4.11.0-1-amd64 cannot be found.
1533 [11:26:38] <dury> I mean better smartphone as Debian Linux user?
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1535 [11:26:48] <julius> how do i rerun that step now that my headers are there?
1536 [11:27:02] <petn-randall> Sayona: no
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1539 [11:27:11] <dury> that's debian offtopic isn't it?
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1541 [11:27:55] <petn-randall> Sayona: no, you can't use PHP 5.6 in stretch through official packages. You might be able to install it via sources or 3rd party repos, but at that point it's not supported in this channel any more.
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1543 [11:28:21] <Sayona> life is hard :)
1544 [11:28:23] <Sayona> thanks
1545 [11:28:28] <shtrb> dgriffi , apt-get source pkgname , and rebuild using your favorite option (debuild -us -uc , fakeroot debian/rules etc )
1546 [11:28:43] <dury> petn-randall, what do u think about?
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1552 [11:30:14] <petn-randall> !ask
1553 [11:30:14] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
1554 [11:30:20] <petn-randall> dury: ^^^
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1595 [11:43:14] <jrgingo> hi, I'm on a notebook and kernel 4.12 provided wireless support for it, but no distro has been released with kernel 4.12 yet. What are my options if I want a distro with kernel 4.12?
1596 [11:43:19] <trulu> shtrb: Anything helpful in docu ?
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1599 [11:45:35] <petn-randall> jrgingo: You can install a stock Debian 9 and just build the kernel yourself. It involves unpacking the linux 4.12 sources and running 'make deb-pkg', then installing the .deb that gets built.
1600 [11:45:37] <colo-work> jrgingo, just use a distro you're happy with and compile Linux yourself
1601 [11:45:40] <colo-work> it's pretty easy
1602 [11:45:43] <petn-randall> ,kernels
1603 [11:45:44] <judd> Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.11.0-trunk-686 (4.11.3-1~exp1); sid: 4.11.0-1-686 (4.11.6-1); buster: 4.11.0-1-686 (4.11.6-1); stretch: 4.9.0-3-686 (4.9.30-2+deb9u2); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.3-686 (4.9.30-2~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.43-2+deb8u2); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae
1604 [11:45:45] <judd> (3.2.89-2)
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1606 [11:46:14] <qqbanevade> don't you just hate vloggers that smugfully drink their smoothies and think that they're important?
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1608 [11:47:13] <qqbanevade> sunglasses on, skirt, a tan, fixed hair, hand bag and a smoothie and a smug smirk on their self important faces as they push people away in their path as if they were walking on a red carpet
1609 [11:47:15] <petn-randall> jrgingo: And at some point in the future I'd just switch to the kernels in stretch-backports.
1610 [11:47:23] <jrgingo> would 4.12 work with debian 9 ? :o
1611 [11:47:25] <petn-randall> qqbanevade: Do you have a Debian support question?
1612 [11:47:35] <hexhaxtron> Anyone interested in a free SSH account running Debian 9 on a very powerful hardware?
1613 [11:47:52] <petn-randall> jrgingo: I haven't tested it myself, but I expect it to work without problems.
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1616 [11:48:15] <dgriffi> hexhaxtron: I'd be interested in the very powerful hardware... what are its specs?
1617 [11:48:57] <qqbanevade> petn-randall: they are not behaving like citizens, they think that they stand over everybody else
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1620 [11:49:13] <hexhaxtron> dgriffi: replaced-url
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1622 [11:49:38] <dgriffi> 404 not found
1623 [11:49:59] <petn-randall> qqbanevade: This is a Debian support channel. Whatever you're talking about, it's offtopic, so please keep quiet.
1624 [11:50:17] <hexhaxtron> You're right. Just a moment. I broke the server trying to make PHP work.
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1630 [11:52:50] <hexhaxtron> dgriffi: can you try now?
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1632 [11:53:40] <dgriffi> interesting
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1634 [11:54:40] <hexhaxtron> dgriffi: you just need to choose a username.
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1636 [11:55:03] <qqbanevade> petn-randall: seriously, they're walking around and think that they're pretty and better than everybody else. When they order fast food they have 0 idea of how that burger was made. They get their money from adsense by blogging about their smoothies and clothes that they've built. Suddenly all teenagers wants to become bloggers
1637 [11:55:04] <dgriffi> ah.. I was just interested in the specs of the machine. I've no need for a remote shell at this time
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1646 [11:56:07] <petn-randall> jelly: cheers.
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1648 [11:56:11] <dgriffi> looking at the stuff about downgrading a kernel, what I find seems to assume downgrading to a different minor release.
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1650 [11:56:40] <jelly> qqbanevade, this isn't the first time you're pointed to #debian-offtopic; keep this channel for tech support please
1651 [11:56:42] <dgriffi> I want to downgrade the 4.9 kernel in Stretch to 3.16.
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1660 [12:01:02] <sobczyk> is it safe to dist-upgrade jessie to stretch in chroot? I want to use policy-rc.d 101 and not have to worry with restarting services and have an option to fast restore the previous system from lvm snapshot
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1663 [12:03:51] <jelly> dgriffi, so just reboot into the jessie kernel?
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1665 [12:04:09] <dgriffi> jelly: I did that and I'm nowhere nearer to solving my underlying problem
1666 [12:04:35] <dgriffi> jelly: there's some yet unknown difference between Jessie and Stretch such that dosemu works on Jessie, but not Stretch
1667 [12:05:15] <dgriffi> jelly: on Jessie, I successfully ran dosemu using the 3.16 and 4.9 kernels
1668 [12:05:41] <dgriffi> jelly: I'm trying to provide more info on bug #866965
1669 [12:05:43] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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1673 [12:07:46] <pancakes> i like P4NC4K3S
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1675 [12:07:59] <pancakes> so yummmy
1676 [12:07:59] <dgriffi> jelly: nobody has commented on it yet and I'm trying to coax someone to do so by providing more info
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1678 [12:08:16] <jelly> dgriffi, so it's not the kernel
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1680 [12:08:49] * jelly thought dosemu died a decade ago
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1687 [12:09:22] <dgriffi> jelly: one would think so... but there were identical symptoms reported in bug #797378 and the culprit was a kernel bug.
1688 [12:09:24] <judd> Bug replaced-url
1689 [12:09:48] <dgriffi> jelly: dosemu has indeed stagnated. that's why someone came up with dosemu2 and is actively developing it.
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1692 [12:10:09] <jelly> it relied heavily on hardware access
1693 [12:11:05] <dgriffi> ultimately I'm on this dosemu adventure so I can debug a problem with the DOS version of Frotz
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1696 [12:11:45] <dgriffi> I thought I could just use DOS within Virtualbox, but I can't get networking to work within it... nor can I get it to share drives or directories
1697 [12:12:12] <dgriffi> dosbox works, but the bug I'm trying to squash will only manifest on real hardware, dosemu, or virtualbox
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1702 [12:14:31] <tx> you probably can
1703 [12:14:32] <tx> but
1704 [12:14:37] <tx> you need to select a different network adapter
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1706 [12:17:02] <dgriffi> tx: are you referring to my problem with dos and virtualbox?
1707 [12:17:10] <tx> yes :)
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1711 [12:18:14] <tx> dgriffi: in virtualbox you can select which network card to 'emulate'
1712 [12:18:52] <tx> One of the PCnet ones will likely suffice, perhaps the 10meg one.
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1715 [12:19:28] <dgriffi> tx: no... that's not the problem. I'm seeing the vboxed DOS machine showing up in the samba logs
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1718 [12:19:56] <dgriffi> hmm... "no such user"???
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1721 [12:20:35] <tx> dgriffi: Oh I see. Is samba configured to support those ancient protocols?
1722 [12:20:59] <dgriffi> yes... I'm thinking now that samba has a different idea of what users are allowed than /etc/passwd does
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1724 [12:21:31] <tx> you may need to set up a samba user using smbpasswd
1725 [12:21:46] <tx> (it is different than your shadow / linux password)
1726 [12:21:51] <jolt> Yeah, samba has it's own passwd db, smbpasswd -a <user>
1727 [12:21:56] <tx> aye
1728 [12:22:12] <jolt> You can hook it into other pw auth systems like pam, ldap etc if you want though
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1730 [12:23:17] <dgriffi> hmm... getting somewhere. now I'm recognized, but not allowed to access the share
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1750 [12:33:08] <dgriffi> hmm... here's a big problem... samaba isn't saving its password file anywhere
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1754 [12:34:30] <dgriffi> ah.. no.. found them
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1790 [12:56:06] <Mr_NodeKit> Anyone willing to help with a project?
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1792 [12:56:23] <hiya> Mr_NodeKit, sure? What is it about?
1793 [12:56:39] <Mr_NodeKit> Do you have Kali Linux ?
1794 [12:56:57] <jelly> !kali
1795 [12:56:57] <dpkg> Kali Linux (replaced-url
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1809 [13:07:18] <shtrb> dgriffi , did you get my message about kernel handbook and package rebuilt ?
1810 [13:07:29] <dgriffi> shtrb: nope
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1838 [13:23:26] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
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1855 [13:35:44] <Mr_NodeKit> ayy lmao
1856 [13:35:54] <tsarompy> ayyy
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1863 [13:38:34] <no_gravity> Hello! How do you check which version of a software comes with Debian 9?
1864 [13:38:52] <tsarompy> look it up in synaptic
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1866 [13:39:00] <tsarompy> i cant remember the command for apt off the bat
1867 [13:39:04] <tsarompy> but synaptic will tell you
1868 [13:39:07] <petn-randall> no_gravity: You can look it up on replaced-url
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1870 [13:39:20] <tsarompy> oh derp i thought you meant what version is installed
1871 [13:39:20] <tsarompy> my bad
1872 [13:39:44] <no_gravity> Yup, I don't have D9. I have D8. Just want to see which version of MySql is in D9.
1873 [13:39:51] <tsarompy> hang on
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1875 [13:40:11] <no_gravity> petn-randall: the link is for Debian 9? And then how do I search?
1876 [13:40:19] <at0m> no_gravity: apt show $package has the version, too. or $app --version
1877 [13:40:25] <tsarompy> 5.5.9999
1878 [13:40:31] <tsarompy> ^ version
1879 [13:40:47] <petn-randall> no_gravity: At least click on the link before asking.
1880 [13:40:47] <no_gravity> Uh, that sounds old. MySql did not have JSON fields then.
1881 [13:40:54] <no_gravity> petn-randall: I am on the link.
1882 [13:41:01] <tsarompy> thats for mysql-client
1883 [13:41:04] <tsarompy> any specific package?
1884 [13:41:14] <no_gravity> petn-randall: I tried putting "mysql" in the seach field on the upper right.
1885 [13:41:15] <tsarompy> mysql-server as well
1886 [13:41:22] <no_gravity> petn-randall: But that returned .. I don't know what.
1887 [13:41:33] <tsarompy> mysql-server/stable,stable 5.5.9999+default amd64
1888 [13:41:36] <no_gravity> tsarompy: Yeah, I meant the server.
1889 [13:41:56] <petn-randall> no_gravity: Yeah, it's because you made zero attempt to read what's on the page.
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1891 [13:42:07] <tsarompy> if you want something newer you could always install stretch and dist-upgrade to buster (:
1892 [13:42:09] <petn-randall> no_gravity: That link will search the complete site, not the package directory.
1893 [13:42:23] <petn-randall> no_gravity: The search window in the top right that is.
1894 [13:42:44] <no_gravity> tsarompy: Can you find it on debian.org?
1895 [13:42:51] <no_gravity> tsarompy: I found this: replaced-url
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1897 [13:43:15] <no_gravity> tsarompy: But that seems to show the version of MariaDB?
1898 [13:43:19] <tsarompy> ask and ye shall receive
1899 [13:43:21] <tsarompy> replaced-url
1900 [13:43:34] <tsarompy> ya i dunno what that other package is
1901 [13:43:44] <no_gravity> tsarompy: How did you find that one?
1902 [13:43:44] <petn-randall> tsarompy: hint, mysql isn't even shipped in stretch and newer.
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1904 [13:44:06] <tsarompy> then what am i lookin at
1905 [13:44:16] <tsarompy> and why are you like
1906 [13:44:20] <tsarompy> aggro
1907 [13:44:30] <afidegnum> hi, using the unhide method is not helping recover sandboxed files on my MMC.. i can see they occupied some spaces but i can't see them... what's the best tool to recover them? using the undelete feature also didn't help
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1909 [13:45:14] <petn-randall> afidegnum: What do you mean with sandboxed files?
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1911 [13:45:27] <afidegnum> that's what i can say so far
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1917 [13:46:03] <afidegnum> when you look at the disk properties you see there huge space occupie
1918 [13:46:07] <afidegnum> occupied,
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1921 [13:46:31] <afidegnum> .5
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1925 [13:47:48] <petn-randall> afidegnum: What are you trying to do? You accidentally deleted files and you're trying to recover them?
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1931 [13:49:23] <petn-randall> afidegnum: Or do you want to free up space on the MMC?
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1933 [13:49:40] <afidegnum> no, i used an applyno
1934 [13:49:42] <afidegnum> no
1935 [13:49:52] <afidegnum> i used an app to recover audio files
1936 [13:50:12] <afidegnum> and when i wanted to retrieve them back i can't get hold of the files
1937 [13:50:29] <afidegnum> i can see a huge space occuped but no file on sight
1938 [13:50:40] <afidegnum> i try to unhide them but no success
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2013 [14:31:38] <pvdp> sypher: it took me a bit longer than expected but I got my 12-disk RAID6 array working. I ended up using a separate RAID1 array non-LVM for /boot and put the rest in another RAID6 array with LVM.
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2017 [14:33:00] <jelly> pvdp, that's probably the sanest setup
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2019 [14:33:27] <jelly> hope you have a hot spare!
2020 [14:33:36] <pvdp> It just wouldn't boot with just 1 RAID6 array+LVM even with boot partition on every disk as suggested. Weird thing though is that I did a simular install with 5 disks using KVM and it all worked straight away.
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2023 [14:34:36] <pvdp> So not sure why with the real thing it didn't work although apparently for grub it should be possible (as proven with kvm)
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2206 [14:44:19] <simbalion> Is Nginx 1.13.3 going to be backported for Debian 9 soon?
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2208 [14:44:30] <petn-randall> ,v nginx
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2210 [14:44:32] <judd> Package: nginx on amd64 -- wheezy-security: 1.2.1-2.2+wheezy4; wheezy: 1.2.1-2.2+wheezy4; wheezy-backports: 1.6.2-5+deb8u2~bpo70+1; jessie: 1.6.2-5+deb8u4; jessie-security: 1.6.2-5+deb8u4; sid: 1.10.1-1; jessie-backports: 1.10.3-1~bpo8+1; stretch: 1.10.3-1; buster: 1.13.1-2; sid: 1.13.1-2
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2213 [14:44:41] <celyr> means no
2214 [14:45:03] <petn-randall> simbalion: It has to be in testing before it's considered for backporting.
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2222 [14:45:42] <simbalion> Since there was a security vulnerability discovered a few days ago which affects up to 1.13.2, shouldn't it be?
2223 [14:45:48] <celyr> no
2224 [14:45:59] <celyr> fix will be cherry picked and pushed into all version
2225 [14:45:59] <celyr> s
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2231 [14:46:15] <celyr> simbalion, can you please link me the cve ?
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2236 [14:46:31] <simbalion> celyr: one moment
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2241 [14:46:51] <simbalion> celyr: replaced-url
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2245 [14:47:35] <celyr> seems very low severity one, also you have a workaround for free
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2251 [14:48:07] <simbalion> Yeah re-reading it it does seem low severity, when I read it the first time after being up for 18 hours it seemed more serious ;)
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2253 [14:48:17] <celyr> replaced-url
2254 [14:48:19] <simbalion> Thanks for your help
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2256 [14:48:50] <guavas> hello everyone. I'm trying to install a program with wine and I have an error: This application require Java Runtime Environment 1.5.0. I have openjodk-8-jre installed, how comes it's not seen as correct java runtime environment?
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2259 [14:49:04] <celyr> except a patched version back to wheezy :)
2260 [14:49:04] <simbalion> ooh I should start using that website instead of bothering folks in here. Thanks again
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2262 [14:49:29] <tremolo> guavas: You will need to install the Windows version of Java in WINE.
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2264 [14:49:57] <guavas> tremolo, ah, ok, my first time using wine, thanks!
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2266 [14:50:41] <FinalX> they consider it medium severity, and setting max_ranges to 1 as work-around isn't exactly wonderful either. the patch is trivial, though.. but we're now using nginx.org repos for most servers, apart from one that requires a module that comes with debian repo but not nginx.org's :) (auth_pam)
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2283 [15:00:01] <tremolo> sure
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2290 [15:02:04] <pclov3r> i have a cmake question which may people may know here. It's possible to have multiple CMakeList.txt files and specify which you want via the command line?
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2292 [15:02:16] <The_Iron_12> arp-scan
2293 [15:02:16] <celyr> FinalX, Well that depends largely on what website is running, I'm running an affected version
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2295 [15:02:22] <celyr> and I think I'll let it run
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2301 [15:03:50] <FinalX> celyr: to each his own; most were running nginx.org mainline already anyway, there's a few that are insanely outdated (debian old stables), and there's some that run a custom compile that I had to rebuild as well :)
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2303 [15:04:35] <hicks__> pclov3r: I'm not aware of a way to do that and a quick look through the man page didn't suggest it's supported. Although I imaging you could achieve similar by having a single main CMakeList.txt that includes various others based on a defined parameter on the cmd line.
2304 [15:05:02] <hicks__> Prob best to ask on a cmake forum/mailing list though just in case.
2305 [15:05:08] <celyr> FinalX, well it seems that nginx is part of your core business so yeah, you should compile it by your own
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2308 [15:05:30] <FinalX> running debian's stable nginx makes sense for companies that have strict feature-documentation for projects, but it makes little sense otherwise. mainline repository is mroe stable that the stable line, too. it's what's used for their commercial version first.
2309 [15:05:53] <FinalX> yeah, there's ~20k sites running on the custom build :)
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2311 [15:06:25] <celyr> I'm using it to serve a website with like 60 unique visits day and a reverse proxy
2312 [15:07:11] <celyr> so yeah, I keep the debian's stable just to avoid the maintenance
2313 [15:07:13] <pclov3r> hicks__, thanks
2314 [15:07:43] <FinalX> I doubt this can be exploited in any regular setting, because it's pretty much only possible if you have a module that's buggy and isn't on nginx.org's list (they checked them). But if it had been exploitable, automatic scanners won't discriminate between a host running 1 site with 5 visitors a day, or one that's doing millions.
2315 [15:08:07] <FinalX> but yeah, feature-wise there's no reason not to
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2319 [15:09:00] <celyr> Maybe I didn't got the extent of this but, even if I do get exploited I think they will get nothing ?
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2323 [15:09:30] <pclov3r> hicks__, perhaps there is maybe a betteer way or something. Building software for different platforms using cmake
2324 [15:09:44] <pclov3r> an it needs different options configured
2325 [15:09:51] <FinalX> celyr: the vulnerability is so that they can get data from other things that they'd normally possibly have access to
2326 [15:10:31] <hicks__> different platforms as in different versions of linux, win, mac etc? if so there's ways to do that already in CMake, check their website + docs for that one.
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2328 [15:10:54] <pclov3r> cross compiling to windows and it has external projects too
2329 [15:11:02] <pclov3r> which are deps
2330 [15:11:09] <celyr> FinalX, yeah so I really don't get it
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2345 [15:17:10] <dury> hi there channel :-)
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2366 [15:25:57] <r3> On Thursday night, 21:40 PM CST, it will be exactly 1.5 billion seconds since Jan 1, 1970 UT, the Unix EPOCH. At that instant, billions of Linux and Unix computers and devices, everywhere on the planet, will all return time() == 1500000000. It will not be until 2033 when that number reaches 2 Billion.
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2368 [15:26:54] <shtrb> real fun will be in 2038
2369 [15:26:54] <r3> I like large strings of zeros, so I thought I'd point that out :)
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2372 [15:27:57] <neglesaks> Thank you for that info *<:)
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2397 [15:42:05] <mr__tea> is there any easy way to upgrade a 32bit system to 64bit?
2398 [15:42:21] <greycat> No.
2399 [15:42:40] <greycat> The only supported answer is a full reinstall, and any attempt to "crossgrade" is at your own risk.
2400 [15:43:02] <petn-randall> mr__tea: Clean way is to reinstall. There's a hacky way, but it involves 20+ steps and chances are high that your system is unbootable if you make a mistake.
2401 [15:43:49] <tremolo> Clean install, copy configs, reuse /home
2402 [15:44:23] <mr__tea> allright thanks guys
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2405 [15:46:54] <mr__tea> petn-randall: I came back some hacky ways on google indeed
2406 [15:46:54] <mr__tea> :)
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2408 [15:47:29] <petn-randall> mr__tea: Indeed. IMHO it's better to reinstall though, less work in the long run.
2409 [15:48:08] <z10> Hi :) I'm new to all of this and I have issues with fail2ban. I can change the bantime in jail.conf but whenever I change the maxretry it just doesnt care. I restart the service and it is stated that my maxretry is set to 6 even tho .local is set to 2
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2412 [15:50:07] <eacces> i'm just going to engage in a minor rant: fail2ban is kind of pointless if you either a: use decent passwords, b: disable password auth
2413 [15:50:46] <petn-randall> eacces: fail2ban does far more than just protect SSH.
2414 [15:50:57] <abrotman> It makes eggs!
2415 [15:51:18] <z10> I have a 21 letters password, should be good.
2416 [15:51:22] <petn-randall> eacces: And I doubt many of your websites use TLS client authentication.
2417 [15:51:23] <tremolo> Well, that's neat.
2418 [15:51:37] <eacces> fair point :)
2419 [15:52:10] <petn-randall> z10: Good to know, that minimizes the brute force space to scan quite a bit.
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2421 [15:52:47] <z10> petn-randall, true I should probably not mention that I guess :P
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2423 [15:53:06] <z10> still, i'd say it would take "some"t time
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2425 [15:53:51] * eacces glances at the CVEs for fail2ban...
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2427 [15:54:45] <eacces> it's about what you'd expect. allowing attackers to get arbitrary things blocked
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2431 [15:56:01] <petn-randall> Only if the regexes are crappy. They fixed those in recent releases. The tracker of doom is probably wrong here.
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2433 [15:56:24] <superburek> debian for web development. pros/cons?
2434 [15:56:50] <petn-randall> superburek: yes
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2436 [15:57:21] <superburek> what are pros/cons?
2437 [15:57:40] <petn-randall> !tell superburek -about smart questions
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2439 [15:58:37] <tremolo> Well, pros/cons are a list of things that are good and bad about something. Advantages and disadvantages to using Debian for web development in this case.
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2443 [15:59:29] <superburek> i'm asking what are pros and cons of debian in web development
2444 [15:59:32] <superburek> simple question
2445 [15:59:46] <superburek> maybe old firefox packages and stuff like that
2446 [15:59:46] <tremolo> Sorry, that was unclear.
2447 [15:59:55] <greycat> It's too open-ended for us to answer. What do you mean by "web development"?
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2449 [16:00:07] <superburek> html/css/js
2450 [16:00:09] <petn-randall> superburek: Your question is so vague it's not answerable in this form. Web development of what? Are you writing server side code? Python? PHP? perl? Or Javascript/Coffeescript?
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2452 [16:00:19] <greycat> Debian includes the "ESR" releases of firefox.
2453 [16:00:25] <greycat> ,v firefox-esr
2454 [16:00:26] <judd> Package: firefox-esr on amd64 -- jessie: 45.9.0esr-1~deb8u1; stretch: 45.9.0esr-1; jessie-backports/firefox-release: 52.1.0esr-1~bpo80+1; wheezy-security: 52.2.0esr-1~deb7u1; jessie-security: 52.2.0esr-1~deb8u1; stretch-security: 52.2.0esr-1~deb9u1; buster: 52.2.0esr-2; sid: 52.2.0esr-2
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2457 [16:00:36] <superburek> let's say front end
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2459 [16:00:46] <petn-randall> superburek: And what are you comparing it to?
2460 [16:00:59] <eacces> con: you'll be the only one at the conference without a macbook pro
2461 [16:01:02] <petn-randall> superburek: In 95% of the case I'd say stick with the tools you're used to.
2462 [16:01:09] <superburek> ahahaha eacces
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2464 [16:01:20] <superburek> no apple fan here :D
2465 [16:01:52] <superburek> just wanna know your guys opinions are there any cons, that you or others may consider them cons
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2469 [16:02:27] <eacces> debian is at least as good as any linux distro, or *BSD, for what you want. the only real con i can think of is how one tests against the windows only browsers
2470 [16:02:29] <superburek> its not about tools, but rather about the distro itself. would debian limit you in web dev
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2472 [16:03:21] <superburek> isnt the only windows only browser - exporer/edge?
2473 [16:03:29] <superburek> explorer*
2474 [16:03:35] <petn-randall> superburek: I don't have the feeling you pondered this question for long before asking.
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2476 [16:03:40] <greycat> You're the web developer. You tell us.
2477 [16:03:53] <superburek> i'm not, i just wanna know
2478 [16:04:03] <greycat> Annnnd we run into the first problem.
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2483 [16:04:53] <superburek> i just want to know can/would debian, in any way, share or form limit you in web development
2484 [16:05:12] <petn-randall> superburek: Not actively doing web development, I'd say the underlying OS is largely irrelevant regarding what you can and can't do. It's just a matter of how accustomed you are to the OS's tools.
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2486 [16:05:32] <superburek> that's what i want to know
2487 [16:05:35] <superburek> thanks for your input
2488 [16:06:14] <petn-randall> Oh wait, I actually did some Django web development on my last project, so scratch the first part of my first sentence.
2489 [16:06:34] <tremolo> There are many text editors packaged for Debian.
2490 [16:07:05] <superburek> there's a free django book on packtpub atm, petn
2491 [16:07:44] <superburek> i use vs code, nice text editor
2492 [16:07:46] <teraflops> nvim is in stretch thanks $DEITY
2493 [16:07:50] <teraflops> neovim^
2494 [16:07:53] <shtrb> superburek , IE + Edge
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2496 [16:08:21] <shtrb> And they behave differently and can have differnt running modes
2497 [16:09:18] <superburek> yeah, i understand that. i'm trying to learn web development and i read somewhere that all browsers have different "engines" i guess
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2500 [16:11:09] <shtrb> not only engines , IE 11 will behave differently than Edge and even IE 11 is very differnet from IE 6 compatible mode
2501 [16:11:48] <shtrb> s/IE 6//g
2502 [16:12:01] <eacces> ^this is why i avoided anything to do with website frontends (:
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2504 [16:12:32] <superburek> :|
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2513 [16:19:30] <fourhundred> I am installing Debian Stretch, booting via PXE from my ftfp server, using the official "netboot" debian image
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2515 [16:20:02] <fourhundred> what and wg=here do i have to change, so that the Debian installer does not rename eth0 to something insane
2516 [16:20:08] <fourhundred> like "enp11s0f0"
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2518 [16:21:16] <tsarompy> ive noticed that since systemd
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2520 [16:21:55] <greycat> replaced-url
2521 [16:22:00] <fourhundred> I have tried adding "net.ifnames=0" to APPEND on the tftp server, but that does not help
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2523 [16:22:38] <tsarompy> replaced-url
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2525 [16:24:04] <fourhundred> greycat, your link does not mention anything relevant about installing from tftp
2526 [16:24:23] <fourhundred> or installing at all
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2528 [16:24:29] <greycat> *plonk*
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2536 [16:26:23] <lazarus477> Is it ok/safe to skip a release when upgrading to a newer release?
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2545 [16:26:54] <greycat> No. You can only upgrade one release at a time.
2546 [16:27:01] <BluesKaj> not on debian lazarus477
2547 [16:27:27] <lazarus477> Thanks guys, that was what I needed to know.
2548 [16:27:45] <BluesKaj> you can with 'buntu LTS to LTS releases
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2550 [16:29:29] <lazarus477> Okie
2551 [16:29:56] <lazarus477> Well I am on Deb Wheezy LTS. But there appears to be no new LTS, so...
2552 [16:30:11] <lazarus477> Either way. I will go from 7, to 8 and then 9.
2553 [16:30:14] <greycat> jessie isn't old enough to need LTS yet. It's still in full support jomde.mode.
2554 [16:30:21] <lazarus477> Yup
2555 [16:30:25] <greycat> wow, this keyboard... :(
2556 [16:30:33] <lazarus477> But I desire a newer version of cups on this box.
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2558 [16:31:05] <lazarus477> No big deal if this box blows up either. Nothing critical on it.
2559 [16:31:05] <greycat> In the Debian universe, LTS means that the release is only *partially* supported, no longer fully supported, but not yet abandoned.
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2561 [16:31:21] <lazarus477> Gotcha
2562 [16:31:26] <greycat> Wheezy (Debian 7) is currently in LTS, for a couple more years.
2563 [16:31:30] <greycat> !wheezy lts
2564 [16:31:30] <dpkg> Security support for Debian 7 "Wheezy" from the Debian Security Team ended on 2016-04-25. The amd64, i386, armel and armhf architectures receive additional long term support (LTS) via <wheezy/updates> until 2018-05-31. See replaced-url
2565 [16:31:37] <greycat> Make that one more year.
2566 [16:32:25] <greycat> Stretch was just released last month, so jessie (Debian 8) will go from full support to LTS support in ~11 months.
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2576 [16:36:56] <Devastator> getting a few "Failed to execute operation: Connection timed out" while upgrading from jessie to stretch, should I worry?
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2579 [16:37:15] <greycat> If it's during package downloads, you can always retry those.
2580 [16:37:24] <greycat> If it's during something else, then yeah, I'd be a bit worried.
2581 [16:37:51] <Devastator> greycat it is during something else, like package setup, it started after trying to upgrade lvm2
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2583 [16:38:04] <greycat> iscsi devices?
2584 [16:38:21] <Devastator> greycat not really, just a regular sata hdd
2585 [16:38:47] <greycat> No idea what connectdion it's talking about, then?
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2587 [16:39:25] <Devastator> greycat it seems related to systemd as per here: replaced-url
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2590 [16:40:28] <petn-randall> ,v systemd
2591 [16:40:29] <judd> Package: systemd on amd64 -- wheezy: 44-11+deb7u4; wheezy-security: 44-11+deb7u5; wheezy-backports: 204-14~bpo70+1; jessie: 215-17+deb8u7; jessie-backports: 230-7~bpo8+2; stretch: 232-25; sid: 233-10; buster: 233-10
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2596 [16:41:48] <petn-randall> Devastator: *where* are you getting these errors from? "Connection timed out" can apply to pretty much any daemon/tool/whatever during the upgrade.
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2602 [16:42:53] <Devastator> petn-randall it doesn't specify, but it happened during my apt-get dist-upgrade after apt-get upgrade
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2604 [16:43:25] <petn-randall> Devastator: Can you paste (some of) the logs?
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2609 [16:44:35] <Devastator> petn-randall does this help? replaced-url
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2611 [16:44:37] <Devastator> opss
2612 [16:44:39] <Devastator> petn-randall does this help? replaced-url
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2614 [16:45:35] <Devastator> just got bash back after: W: Operation was interrupted before it could finish
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2616 [16:45:49] <petn-randall> Devastator: Hmm, anything in the release notes about it?
2617 [16:46:03] <BluesKaj> my printer stopped working since I upgraded to stretch from jessie, apparently HP hasn't upgraded their printer drivers to stretch yet. I should have checked that before upgrading :/
2618 [16:47:05] <Devastator> petn-randall doesn't seem like it, well I just ran apt-get -f install again and it seems to be going
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2623 [16:48:01] <mtn> BluesKaj: I had to use the cups interface to get my printer working in stretch. the hptool did not work for me
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2625 [16:48:04] <Devastator> talked too soon, stopped again
2626 [16:48:26] <petn-randall> Devastator: Does running 'systemctl' show you any stopped/failed services?
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2629 [16:49:05] <Devastator> petn-randall let me open a new shell, one sec
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2637 [16:49:48] <BluesKaj> mtn, cups does see my network printer, but it just won't print
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2640 [16:50:09] <mtn> BluesKaj: printing is always so much fun :p
2641 [16:50:30] <Devastator> petn-randall: root@morpheu:/home/fggs# systemctl
2642 [16:50:30] <Devastator> Failed to list units: Activation of org.freedesktop.systemd1 timed outroot@morpheu:/home/fggs#
2643 [16:50:33] <Devastator> opss
2644 [16:50:35] <mtn> BluesKaj: did you try the hplip tool, as well?
2645 [16:51:08] <BluesKaj> yes
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2653 [16:55:01] <BluesKaj> mtn, the hplip-tool doesn't exist in the stretch repos ..must be thinking about jessie
2654 [16:55:24] <mtn> BluesKaj: is the package name hplip-gui?
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2659 [16:56:48] <aksis> can i get aptitude to download from a source which is not in my sources.list?
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2661 [16:57:03] <petn-randall> aksis: no
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2663 [16:58:51] <BluesKaj> mtn, installed the gui , and the HP-Toolbox shows up in the applications menu
2664 [16:59:25] <mtn> BluesKaj: it might work better than cups. it has for me in the past
2665 [17:00:09] <BluesKaj> mtn, yeah I'll give the HP Toolbox a try ...again
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2674 [17:02:24] <Math__> Hello, with debian 9 stretch at startup, I have this error message: Failed to connect to lvmetad, failling back to device scanning.
2675 [17:02:27] <Math__> The boot process works fine after typing my password
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2677 [17:02:55] <Math__> I did not have this problem with Jessie
2678 [17:02:59] <petn-randall> Math__: That message is purely cosmetic and informational.
2679 [17:03:38] <petn-randall> Math__: lvmetad is used if you have hundreds of PVs to speed up LVM operations.
2680 [17:03:39] <Math__> 35/5000
2681 [17:03:39] <Math__> Ok I do not pay attention so
2682 [17:04:00] <Math__> thank you petn-randall
2683 [17:04:07] <petn-randall> Math__: you're welcome
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2695 [17:09:20] <sparky4> i cannot resume from suspend >< i recently upgraded to stretch and when i suspended my laptop it will not resume ><
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2697 [17:09:45] <petn-randall> sparky4: What happens when you try to resume?
2698 [17:10:13] <BluesKaj> hmmm, the HP-Toolbox doesm't see the network printer
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2701 [17:12:16] <celyr> ,v ntp
2702 [17:12:17] <judd> Package: ntp on amd64 -- wheezy: 1:4.2.6.p5+dfsg-2+deb7u6; wheezy-security: 1:4.2.6.p5+dfsg-2+deb7u7; jessie-security: 1:4.2.6.p5+dfsg-7+deb8u2; jessie: 1:4.2.6.p5+dfsg-7+deb8u2; stretch: 1:4.2.8p10+dfsg-3; sid: 1:4.2.8p10+dfsg-5; buster: 1:4.2.8p10+dfsg-5
2703 [17:12:28] <celyr> no jessie backports
2704 [17:12:29] <celyr> damn
2705 [17:12:44] <petn-randall> celyr: You can always backport it yourself.
2706 [17:12:57] * celyr flees screaming
2707 [17:13:10] <greycat> not always, but...
2708 [17:13:24] <petn-randall> ,checkbackport ntp
2709 [17:13:30] <judd> Backporting package ntp in sid→stretch/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using stretch, virtual.
2710 [17:13:32] <greycat> ,checkbackport ntp --fromrelease stretch --torelease jessie
2711 [17:13:33] <judd> Backporting package ntp in stretch→jessie/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using jessie, virtual.
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2713 [17:13:45] <petn-randall> Oh, right
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2716 [17:16:10] <celyr> well
2717 [17:16:18] <celyr> I'm sorry but this was a bit expected :P
2718 [17:16:31] <celyr> I don't even think ntp has requirements
2719 [17:16:40] <celyr> *dependencies
2720 [17:17:05] <petn-randall> It surely requires some ancient libc6 as build dependency.
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2723 [17:17:35] <greycat> Heh. Well, if there are few dependencies, then the build will be easy.
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2729 [17:20:05] <sparky4> petn-randall: the machine sits there
2730 [17:20:24] <sparky4> petn-randall: i cannot alt+ctrl+f(1-6)
2731 [17:20:31] <petn-randall> sparky4: Blank screen? Any errors?
2732 [17:20:35] <sparky4> just black screen
2733 [17:20:43] <sparky4> no error screen is blank
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2735 [17:21:01] <petn-randall> sparky4: What laptop model is that?
2736 [17:21:09] <sparky4> Thinkpad t440p
2737 [17:21:20] <petn-randall> sparky4: Do you mean suspend to disk or suspend to RAM?
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2739 [17:21:46] <sparky4> ram suspend
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2742 [17:22:25] <petn-randall> sparky4: I see. If you have a second machine, I'd check if you can still reach the laptop via ping/SSH. Maybe you can even find something in the system logs.
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2745 [17:25:12] <will__> hello everyone
2746 [17:25:22] <will__> i just ran apt upgrade
2747 [17:25:29] <will__> ended with this output:
2748 [17:25:31] <will__> dpkg: error processing package google-cloud-sdk (--configure):
2749 [17:25:31] <will__> subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 137
2750 [17:25:31] <will__> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
2751 [17:25:32] <dpkg> will__: That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin).
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2753 [17:25:34] <petn-randall> !paste
2754 [17:25:34] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: replaced-url
2755 [17:25:40] <petn-randall> !bat
2756 [17:25:41] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
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2759 [17:25:55] <celyr> Penix, Ok I'm building the backport
2760 [17:25:55] <petn-randall> will__: Don't paste into the channel. Can you provide the info in the dpkg message above? ^^^
2761 [17:26:04] <sparky4> petn-randall: i was actually planning on doing that specifically
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2763 [17:26:26] <celyr> petn-randall, it was meant for you
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2765 [17:27:03] <petn-randall> sparky4: Usually thinkpads work pretty fine. Sometimes nvidia/amd graphics make trouble, especially the bumblebee hybrid graphics setup.
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2769 [17:27:20] <towo`> will__, there is no google-cloud-sdk in debian, so wrong channel
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2774 [17:27:55] <sparky4> petn-randall: ah i got that!
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2779 [17:28:43] <will__> petn-randall: replaced-url
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2782 [17:29:16] <towo`> [17:27:19] <towo`> will__, there is no google-cloud-sdk in debian, so wrong channel
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2785 [17:29:40] <will__> towo`: I'm not sure about that man. I'm running debian 9 chosen from a google cloud platform distro list.
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2788 [17:29:57] <will__> and i didnt get that error last time i did upgrade a couple days ago
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2792 [17:30:11] <towo`> will__, replaced-url
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2794 [17:30:32] <Walakea> what is the difference between /media/<me>/<device> and /dev/sdX ?
2795 [17:30:39] <towo`> it's from google, so ask them
2796 [17:30:41] <will__> would it be available for jessie then?
2797 [17:30:54] <greycat> Walakea: the former is a directory, and the latter is a device
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2799 [17:31:01] <Walakea> i want to write bootable ISO onto my USB and i did it to /media/....
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2801 [17:31:05] <towo`> Walakea, the 1st is a directory, the last is a device
2802 [17:31:11] <greycat> Devices can be mounted on directories.
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2806 [17:31:42] <petn-randall> ,v google-cloud-sdk
2807 [17:31:43] <judd> No package named 'google-cloud-sdk' was found in amd64.
2808 [17:31:43] <towo`> Walakea, isos have to be copieed to a device, not a mountpoint
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2810 [17:31:48] <Walakea> ok
2811 [17:31:57] <Walakea> and does simple cp suffice?
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2813 [17:32:09] <towo`> Walakea, what?
2814 [17:32:09] <petn-randall> will__: No, that package doesn't even exist in jessie. Ask whoever provided that package for support.
2815 [17:32:10] <greycat> Walakea: for writing a bootable iso image to a USB device, yes.
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2818 [17:32:22] <will__> gotcha thanks guys
2819 [17:32:39] <Walakea> cp "...iso" /dev/sdX
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2822 [17:33:29] <petn-randall> Walakea: yes. Make sure /dev/sdX is not mounted, and that it's /dev/sdX, not sdX1.
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2828 [17:34:00] <mtcjayne> Would anyone be willing to pastebin me the output of an IPv6 curl for my site? It works for other machines on my LAN but not for IPv6 test websites.
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2833 [17:34:41] <teraflops> mtcjayne: sure
2834 [17:34:47] <mtcjayne> it's mtcjayne.com
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2836 [17:35:02] <mtcjayne> can't figure out where it's getting dropped. probably the ISP end.
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2838 [17:35:08] <celyr> petn-randall, to build the backport
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2840 [17:35:20] <celyr> should I do that in a jessie machine ?
2841 [17:35:26] <celyr> or can i build the backport in a stretch one ?
2842 [17:35:44] <greycat> judd said that yes, you can build a backport from stretch source of ntp to jessie
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2844 [17:36:11] <celyr> should I use some special option ?
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2846 [17:36:15] <greycat> You build it on a jessie machine, using a deb-src from stretch as per !sbb (just using stretch instead of sid)
2847 [17:36:17] <amig> Hey guys! How can I change default encryption parameters during installation: cipher, keysize and hash?
2848 [17:36:25] <greycat> sorry, ssb
2849 [17:36:28] <greycat> !ssb
2850 [17:36:28] <dpkg> First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
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2852 [17:37:00] <Walakea> petn-randall: not mounted?
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2854 [17:37:41] <celyr> mmmhhh
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2856 [17:37:54] <celyr> !bdo
2857 [17:37:54] <dpkg> backports.debian.org (formerly backports.org) is an official repository of <backports> for the current stable (see <jessie backports>) and oldstable (<wheezy backports>) distributions, prepared by Debian developers. Ask me about <backport caveat> and read replaced-url
2858 [17:37:59] <greycat> Walakea: when writing an iso to a USB device, neither the iso nor the USB device should be mounted.
2859 [17:38:01] <Dagger> mtcjayne: ping works, but no port 80/443. check your firewall?
2860 [17:38:10] <mtcjayne> Yeah that's what I was afraid of.
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2863 [17:38:25] <teraflops> mtcjayne: I cannot access via http to 2604:2d80:4404:c6df:a00:27ff:fe4b:fe80
2864 [17:38:31] <mtcjayne> Technically I'm on residential with a no server policy so.
2865 [17:38:36] <bs0d> Hello community. Is there a virtualbox image for Debian 9.0.0 available?
2866 [17:38:40] <mtcjayne> Just gonna have to deal with it I suppose.
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2868 [17:39:03] <teraflops> mtcjayne: but I can ping it
2869 [17:39:17] <mtcjayne> Yeah
2870 [17:39:26] <Walakea> when i try tab autocompletion, it gives me umount /dev/sdb1, but i have to umount /dev/sdb ?
2871 [17:39:28] <teraflops> mtcjayne: fix your apache/nginx/whatever ?
2872 [17:39:31] <Dagger> the internet's peer to peer, so that's a bit broken
2873 [17:39:57] <greycat> Walakea: NONE of them should be mounted, IF that is your USB device
2874 [17:39:59] <mtcjayne> Not sure what's going on. It's nginx doing a proxy_pass to an IPv4 apache listening on 127.0.0.1
2875 [17:40:42] <teraflops> Dagger: what kind of ip address is it? you mean a miredo thingy?
2876 [17:41:12] <Walakea> my understanding: i plug usb -> it gets mounted -> i have to unmount it by umount?
2877 [17:41:13] <mtcjayne> Dagger: was the peer-to-peer bit about me?
2878 [17:41:25] <Dagger> looks native to me
2879 [17:41:30] <teraflops> mtcjayne: mtcjayne are you sure it's configured properly?
2880 [17:41:33] <Dagger> mtcjayne: yes
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2883 [17:41:58] <greycat> Walakea: what makes you think it auto-mounted? Is it mounted when you run "df" or "mount"? Are you in some crazy Desktop Env that auto-mounts things?
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2887 [17:42:48] <Walakea> i use gnome3
2888 [17:42:54] <mtcjayne> It should be native from the ISP. And I think it's configured properly. I can access it from other machines in the same IPv6 prefix ok, the AIO plastic box my ISP gave me has the IPv6 firewall disabled, nginx is indeed listening on IPv6.
2889 [17:43:00] <greycat> Just use "df" to see what is mounted, and umount the things that should not be.
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2892 [17:43:17] <greycat> And pray GNOME keeps its stupid little hands to itself.
2893 [17:43:21] <teraflops> mtcjayne: then your proxy pass is failing?
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2898 [17:43:38] <shanemcd> Hi, is this a good place to ask question regarding debian packaging, or is there a more appropriate channel?
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2900 [17:43:41] <Walakea> currently /dev/sdb1 is mounted
2901 [17:43:58] <iBdaOGtripleOG> does anyone experience with lftp?
2902 [17:44:00] <mtcjayne> Well would the proxy pass be affected by whether I'm connecting to nginx from LAN vs WAN?
2903 [17:44:15] <dontknow> shanemcd, just ask
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2905 [17:44:31] <dontknow> this is a general channel
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2910 [17:45:15] <shanemcd> I'm trying to find documentation on the Debian equivalent of RPM subpackages.
2911 [17:45:26] <teraflops> if the nginx facing the internet is listening on 2604:2d80:4404:c6df:a00:27ff:fe4b:fe80 it should work
2912 [17:45:36] <dontknow> oh! sorry i thought i was in #linux
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2914 [17:46:02] <mtcjayne> When I try to curl from another machine on this LAN I see "2604:2d80:4404:c6df:e50d:e6a6:24a5:e15f - - [12/Jul/2017:10:31:07 -0500] "GET / HTTP/1.1" 200 949 "-" "curl/7.54.1""
2915 [17:46:15] <teraflops> mtcjayne: not lan^
2916 [17:46:26] <mtcjayne> Right
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2918 [17:46:53] <mtcjayne> So I'm thinking it's beyond my allocated IPv6 network
2919 [17:46:55] <mtcjayne> subnet
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2921 [17:47:13] <bs0d> Is there any debian 9.0.0 image for virtualbox?
2922 [17:48:08] <teraflops> mtcjayne: why dont you try to avoid the reverse proxy part for now, and check if a simple html is being served from the nginx at that ipv6 address?
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2927 [17:50:17] <petn-randall> bs0d: none official ones
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2929 [17:51:31] <teraflops> mtcjayne: also replaced-url
2930 [17:51:54] <mtcjayne> no dice with that
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2932 [17:52:05] <mtcjayne> I never did an nmap. didn't even think of it.
2933 [17:52:18] <teraflops> port 80 is closed
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2942 [17:52:48] <towo`> bs0d, replaced-url
2943 [17:53:02] <teraflops> mtcjayne: I just nmap -6 -Pn -p 80 2604:2d80:4404:c6df:a00:27ff:fe4b:fe80
2944 [17:53:04] <greycat> nmap is stupid. It makes up its own terminology that people think means something, like "open" and "closed".
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2947 [17:53:56] <greycat> If you connect to a port, you can either get connection refused, or connection accepted and immediately dropped, or connection accepted but no response, or connection accepted and a banner, or a timeout.
2948 [17:53:59] <towo`> bs0d, but i don't think, it will help your issue (from #vbox) because that's only the disk-image not a complete ova
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2950 [17:54:09] <Devastator> jessie is giving me a real hard time to upgrade to stretch cleanly :(
2951 [17:54:28] <Walakea> which display manager will i have less hassle with if i am on a laptop? (gdm3 or lightdm)?
2952 [17:54:51] <petn-randall> Walakea: Stick with the defaults, so I'd take gdm3.
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2957 [17:54:58] <petn-randall> "defaults"
2958 [17:55:16] <mtcjayne> When I do it everything is listed as filtered.
2959 [17:55:20] <bs0d> towo worth to give it a try (assuming that the installer crashes vm)
2960 [17:56:46] <Walakea> would Debian Stretch work properly if i used Linux 3.16?
2961 [17:56:55] <teraflops> well I cannot telnet to it either, so lets assume something is preventing to connect to it (assuming you have something listening there)
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2964 [17:57:12] <spikeyball> hey, did any of you do the LPIC 1/2?
2965 [17:57:25] <spikeyball> or Linux+?
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2967 [17:58:43] <petn-randall> Walakea: Sounds like an xy question.
2968 [17:58:45] <petn-randall> !xy problem
2969 [17:58:45] <dpkg> Slow down for a bit! Are you sure that you need to jump through that particular hoop to achieve your goal? We suspect you don't, so why don't you back up a bit and tell us about the overall objective... We know that people often falsely diagnose problems because they are too close to them -- it's easy to miss that there is a better way to proceed. See replaced-url
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2973 [17:59:29] <sparky4> petn-randall: unale to connect
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2976 [17:59:38] <sparky4> petn-randall: i loged out and suspended
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2979 [17:59:55] <sparky4> this time the screen was not blank but it seems the system was loced/frozen
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2981 [17:59:59] <sparky4> locked*
2982 [18:00:20] <mtcjayne> teraflops: yeah i'm trying to figure out where
2983 [18:00:22] <sparky4> i tried to ssh into it ... no responce
2984 [18:00:37] <BluesKaj> ok, fixed the HP printer connection on stretch, changed the detection/search mode and entering the network printer's IP and the hpijs driver helped as well
2985 [18:00:40] <mtcjayne> something that only affects hosts outside of the prefix
2986 [18:00:59] <hexhaxtron> I got a problem with vsftpd. I get Response:500 OOPS: cannot locate user entry:ftpsecure
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2988 [18:01:05] <hexhaxtron> What should I do?
2989 [18:01:32] <petn-randall> hexhaxtron: I recommend giving useful info for people to respond.
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2994 [18:04:43] <petn-randall> hexhaxtron: Where is this message from? It's also a good idea to provide the message before and after. And if you changed any of the config, it's also a good idea to provide that.
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2997 [18:05:43] <sparky4> petn-randall: ><
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3002 [18:06:23] <petn-randall> sparky4: Does ping work though?
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3009 [18:08:37] <sparky4> petn-randall: ah i will check when i can
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3014 [18:09:29] <Devastator> trying to finish my apt-get dist-upgrade from jessie to stretch, but it is stuck while upgrading systemd and udev, tried to reinstall systemd and got this: replaced-url
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3075 [18:30:12] <mtcjayne> is there any way i can figure out where this connection is dropping?
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3079 [18:31:03] <ned_-> can i cronjob with command * * */6 * * service apache2 restart ?
3080 [18:31:08] <ned_-> Is it valid ?
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3083 [18:31:29] <Devastator> great, I can't upgrade udev, systemd, lvm2, nfs-common or initramfs-tools, and I can't clean defunct processes :(
3084 [18:31:50] <petn-randall> !xy problem
3085 [18:31:50] <dpkg> Slow down for a bit! Are you sure that you need to jump through that particular hoop to achieve your goal? We suspect you don't, so why don't you back up a bit and tell us about the overall objective... We know that people often falsely diagnose problems because they are too close to them -- it's easy to miss that there is a better way to proceed. See replaced-url
3086 [18:31:52] <petn-randall> ned_-: ^^^
3087 [18:32:26] <petn-randall> ned_-: It's technically possible but probably not what you want.
3088 [18:32:26] <mtcjayne> ah never mind. the traceroute stops at 2604:2d80:4404::1 which is almost certainly my ISP firewalling IPv6 ports.
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3091 [18:33:56] <Dagger> mtcjayne: that's the hop immediately before 2604:2d80:4404:c6df:a00:27ff:fe4b:fe80 though
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3093 [18:34:26] <mtcjayne> i guess i don't know enough to know if that means something else is likely going on
3094 [18:34:30] <Dagger> (which presumably is your router)
3095 [18:34:37] <mtcjayne> nah my modem is different
3096 [18:35:01] <mtcjayne> for whatever reason it's 2604:2d80:4404:c6df:e288:5dff:fee1:xxx
3097 [18:35:24] <Dagger> maybe on the LAN side, but it will probably also have a WAN IP
3098 [18:35:28] <Devastator> petn-randall can you help me understand why I'm having trouble upgrading udev, systemd, lvm2, nfs-common and initramfs-tools?
3099 [18:35:38] <Dagger> or it could have 2604:2d80:4404::1 on lo
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3101 [18:36:21] <mtcjayne> hmm
3102 [18:36:27] <ned_-> petn-randall ?
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3105 [18:37:30] <petn-randall> ned_-: You probably have a problem that you think the best solution is restarting apache with a cron job. Don't tell us about the solution, tell us about the problem.
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3109 [18:38:43] <hexhaxtron> What is the meaning of the + (plus) in ls -l? Like: drwx------+ 8 daumie services 4096 Jul 11 16:51 reds
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3111 [18:38:54] <petn-randall> Devastator: Try "systemctl restart systemd-logind". Source: replaced-url
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3113 [18:39:19] <ned_-> * */6 * * * service apache2 restart
3114 [18:39:19] <Devastator> petn-randall thank you
3115 [18:39:21] <ned_-> * */6 * * * /etc/init.d/apache2 restart
3116 [18:39:37] <ned_-> so both are valid i can use one of them ?
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3118 [18:39:48] <petn-randall> hexhaxtron: It means there are extended ACLs present.
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3121 [18:40:00] <Dagger> or `invoke-rc.d apache2 restart`
3122 [18:40:05] <petn-randall> ned_-: So you don't want to tell us about the problem?
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3124 [18:40:18] <Dagger> which I'm sure I read somewhere that you're supposed to use over `service`, so I do
3125 [18:40:38] <petn-randall> ned_-: 'service' is the init system agnostic version.
3126 [18:40:43] <ned_-> i ask if i can cron without dir like /etc/init.d/apache2
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3128 [18:41:02] <Devastator> petn-randall lots of defunct processes, can them prevent me from upgrading a package?
3129 [18:41:09] <ned_-> ok thank you petn-randall
3130 [18:41:19] <petn-randall> Dagger: No, that's an sysvinit-specific.
3131 [18:41:20] <Devastator> I'm afraid to restart it and it doesn't come back..
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3134 [18:41:41] <Devastator> I mean, the machine itself, not logind
3135 [18:42:06] <petn-randall> Devastator: Well, can you continue upgrading after that command?
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3138 [18:42:47] <Devastator> petn-randall nope, it gave me time out: root@morpheu:/home/fggs# systemctl restart systemd-logind
3139 [18:42:47] <Devastator> Failed to restart systemd-logind.service: Connection timed out
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3141 [18:43:33] <Devastator> systemctl doesn't output either
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3143 [18:43:57] <petn-randall> Devastator: Do you have a live/rescue system to boot from?
3144 [18:44:08] <Devastator> petn-randall I guess I can make one
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3146 [18:44:22] <Devastator> will you be here in.. let's say 20 min?
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3149 [18:44:43] <Devastator> I will be back in 20
3150 [18:44:47] <petn-randall> Devastator: If you're stuck, I'd create a live system, boot into that, then chroot into your installation and try to continue the upgrade.
3151 [18:44:51] <petn-randall> Devastator: Should be there, yes.
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3158 [18:49:03] <petn-randall> Dagger: Also invoke-rc.d is Debian-specific, too.
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3174 [18:55:32] <op3y> hello everyone
3175 [18:55:38] <spikeyball> oy
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3184 [19:00:03] <jelly> ned_-, that's valid syntax, but you probably don't want to restart apache every minute from 00:00, 00:01... to 00:59, then again every minute at 06:00, 06:01, 06:02... to 06:5
3185 [19:00:16] <jelly> 06:59
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3187 [19:01:04] * petn-randall shrugs.
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3189 [19:01:07] <jelly> petn-randall, service command still works with systemd, so I guess it's an optimal thing to use regardless of init used
3190 [19:01:14] <petn-randall> Do stupid things, win stupid prizes.
3191 [19:01:26] <petn-randall> jelly: yepp, that's what I recommended.
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3194 [19:01:34] <ned_-> ok thanks jelly
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3196 [19:01:57] <jelly> serves me right for not reading the backlog carefull
3197 [19:02:02] <jelly> y
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3201 [19:03:16] <ned_-> i'd restart apache2 every 6 hours because ram is rising by it
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3203 [19:03:40] <greycat> I'd move your web services out of the apache process.
3204 [19:04:19] <jolt> ned_-: Or you should tweak how many processes apache can handle before it restarts the services by itself
3205 [19:04:46] <greycat> *nod* restarts the pre-forked workers, or whatever
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3208 [19:05:14] <omenius> I have set my network psk and password in wpa_supplicant.conf and I have set interface options for wlan0 in dhcpcd.conf, but for some reason also wlan1 gets auto connected. Any tips?
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3211 [19:07:20] <ned_-> oh ok i will try reduce processes to 6
3212 [19:07:44] <greycat> The number of workers is less important than how many requests each worker is allowed to process before it's replaced.
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3214 [19:08:04] <petn-randall> ned_-: What application is apache running?
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3217 [19:09:19] <ned_-> just .shtml and owncloud in /var/replaced-url
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3220 [19:10:47] <ned_-> Debian jessie minimalist
3221 [19:10:49] <greycat> replaced-url
3222 [19:10:53] <greycat> So I'm guessing it's a PHP thing.
3223 [19:11:30] <petn-randall> ned_-: You either want to reduce the maximum amount of forks apache does, or use php-fpm. This is what I meant with xy problem, by the way.
3224 [19:12:10] <vutral> apt-get dist-upgrade doesnt like stretch
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3228 [19:12:42] <nkuttler> vutral: did you read the release notes?
3229 [19:12:43] <greycat> I moved my MoinMoin wiki from the common, naive Apache2+mod-python setup to nginx+uwsgi with strict limits on everything and memory usage was successfully reined in.
3230 [19:13:03] <vutral> nkuttler, whats written in it which could concern me ?
3231 [19:13:14] <nkuttler> vutral: all of it
3232 [19:13:16] <greycat> unfuc.... sorry, petn-randall
3233 [19:13:19] <greycat> but come on
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3267 [19:28:12] <br> hi
3268 [19:28:14] <br> i need help
3269 [19:28:26] <br> The repository 'cdrom://[Debian GNU/Linux 9.0.0 _Stretch_ - Official amd64 xfce-CD Binary-1 20170617-13:07] stretch Release' does not have a Release file.
3270 [19:28:28] <br> wat do?
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3273 [19:30:04] <nkuttler> br: put in the cd? remove the cd line from your sources.list ?
3274 [19:30:40] <br> both lines?
3275 [19:30:43] <br> there are 2 cd lines
3276 [19:31:31] <br> ok
3277 [19:31:32] <br> worked
3278 [19:31:40] <br> thank you @nkuttler
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3280 [19:32:09] <Devastator> petn-randall can I try to reboot first? heheh
3281 [19:32:10] <br> i installed it via usb
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3302 [19:45:21] <Devastator> petn-randall rebooting allowed me to continue upgrading, let's see how it goes
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3317 [19:54:48] <omenius> how do I permanently set two different wlan interfaces to use different wpa_supplicant conf file? is the "wpa_supplicant -c file.conf -i wlan0" legit way?
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3319 [19:56:53] <omenius> also is there a easy way to flip debian minimal (only cli) 180' degrees?
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3321 [19:57:12] <omenius> the video signal
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3323 [19:57:31] <teraflops> omenius: are you using plain wpasupplicant instead pf /e/n/i or whatever?
3324 [19:57:48] <teraflops> s/pf/of
3325 [19:57:55] <jmcnaught> omenius: are you configuring them with /etc/network/interfaces? For each iface stanza you can use "wpa-conf /path/to/conf.conf. Look at /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/README.modes.gz and "man interfaces"
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3327 [19:58:25] <teraflops> omenius: /e/n/i is quite minimal already^
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3329 [19:58:35] <simbalion> Is there a 'system user' group in debian? I know about the adm group, but is that similar to 'wheel' or is it just for viewing log files?
3330 [19:58:38] <teraflops> even NM has nmtui/nmcli
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3333 [19:59:43] <teraflops> simbalion: systemd-journal
3334 [19:59:50] <jmcnaught> simbalion: adm is for read access to /var/log. There's also staff for write access to /usr/local. Look at /usr/share/doc/base-passwd/users-and-groups.txt.gz
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3337 [20:00:08] <simbalion> I'm looking for restricting access to su to root and an administrator group
3338 [20:00:43] <omenius> teraflops: I think so, just rasbian minimal install
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3340 [20:00:48] <teraflops> theres a group
3341 [20:00:51] <omenius> *raspbian
3342 [20:01:08] <teraflops> grep systemd-journal /etc/group
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3346 [20:01:41] <jmcnaught> !raspian
3347 [20:01:42] <dpkg> Raspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use #raspbian on irc.freenode.net for support. replaced-url
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3351 [20:01:53] <omenius> jmcnaught: So far I have put my configs in dhcpcd.conf because I was in a believe it would replace /etc/network/interfaces but I just heard thats not true
3352 [20:02:19] <omenius> dpkg: thanks, did not know there was own channel
3353 [20:02:19] <dpkg> bitte, omenius
3354 [20:02:21] <jmcnaught> omenius: things could be different on your distro. please use the channel suggested by dpkg above for support.
3355 [20:02:22] <Devastator> do I need to add something extra to /etc/network/interfaces for it to put my bridge br0 up during init?
3356 [20:02:31] <br> ok, files in thunar with too much text in them makes files beneath have big gap. how can i fix that? so thunar doesnt show whole name
3357 [20:02:38] <Devastator> in jessie it worked, in stretch it is not working
3358 [20:03:07] <jmcnaught> Devastator: i have my bridge configured in my interfaces file, can you show yours?
3359 [20:03:43] <Devastator> jmcnaught replaced-url
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3361 [20:05:21] <br> how can i make files showing in thunar have less text?
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3363 [20:06:44] <jmcnaught> Devastator: can you comment out "allow-hotplug eth0" and try booting again? Also does br0 not come up until you do it manually with ifup?
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3365 [20:07:11] <jmcnaught> br: i don't use thunar, but it might have zoom controls possibly under a view menu
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3368 [20:08:00] <br> i dont wanna zoom in or out, i just wanna make it so the long name of the file is not displayed
3369 [20:08:18] <Devastator> jmcnaught exactly, I have to manually do ifup br0
3370 [20:08:50] <armin> processing since
3371 [20:08:50] <armin> Wed 12 Jul 2017 08:05:48 PM CEST
3372 [20:08:51] <armin> "Spooling job, 97% complete."
3373 [20:08:59] <armin> any hint what to do if cups hangs like this?
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3375 [20:10:11] <Devastator> jmcnaught it seems the problem is a bit more complex
3376 [20:10:27] <jmcnaught> Devastator: as in?
3377 [20:11:02] <teraflops> Devastator: why dhcp for the br0 iface?
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3380 [20:11:24] <br> can i post a link?
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3383 [20:11:38] <Devastator> jmcnaught well, it seems there is a race condition going on, let me pastebin /var/log/messages
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3385 [20:11:56] <teraflops> try giving it a fixed ip addr
3386 [20:11:58] <random_numbers> Is it possible to test upstream kernel to see if a fix works while keeping the default "stable" kernel installed and working too?
3387 [20:12:00] <jmcnaught> Devastator: "journalctl -u networking.service" might be enough
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3389 [20:12:30] <random_numbers> And if said test fails, is it possible to remove the upstream kernel again while leaving the default functional?
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3392 [20:12:44] <jmcnaught> i think it's because the file still has auto-hotplug eth0. Here an interfaces from one of my systems using DHCP on a bridge: replaced-url
3393 [20:12:48] <teraflops> Devastator: also try an explicit auto br0 before the iface br0 inet dhcp
3394 [20:12:56] <teraflops> without the dhcp^
3395 [20:12:58] <jmcnaught> br: sure, if it's relevant
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3397 [20:13:26] <br> apparently, thunar doesnt have that option - replaced-url
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3399 [20:14:06] <jmcnaught> random_numbers: yes, you can do that. "/msg dpkg kernel-handbook" for a link to a guide on compiling a kernel the Debian way
3400 [20:14:17] <Devastator> jmcnaught "journalctl -u networking.service" gives me no entries
3401 [20:14:23] <jmcnaught> Devastator: as root?
3402 [20:14:24] <random_numbers> jmcnaught: Thanks.
3403 [20:14:31] <Devastator> jmcnaught yes
3404 [20:14:37] <Devastator> teraflops I will
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3407 [20:14:49] <jmcnaught> Devastator: are you on sysvinit?
3408 [20:15:06] <Devastator> jmcnaught /var/log/messages: replaced-url
3409 [20:15:45] <Devastator> jmcnaught I hope not
3410 [20:16:05] <jmcnaught> Devastator: does "journalctl" as root show anything at all?
3411 [20:16:12] <pasky> Hi! Is there a canonical way to get a Flash plugin (for whatever browser) installed on Debian stretch? Both replaced-url
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3413 [20:16:48] <greycat> Just use upstream's flash-plugin thing.
3414 [20:16:50] <Devastator> jmcnaught yes
3415 [20:17:03] <Devastator> jmcnaught want a pastebin of it?
3416 [20:17:04] <omenius> Whats up with ability to set static ip in either /etc/network/interfaces and /etc/dhcpcd.conf? Or is it just raspbian feature?
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3418 [20:17:12] <jmcnaught> Devastator: so what about "systemctl status networking.service"?
3419 [20:17:40] <pasky> greycat: What do you mean?
3420 [20:17:51] <greycat> omenius: the default DHCP client program in Debian isn't dhcpcd and doesn't read /etc/dhcpcd.conf ... THIS IS WHY YOU ASK RASPBIAN QUESTIONS IN #raspbian
3421 [20:17:57] <Devastator> jmcnaught it says it is inactive (dead)
3422 [20:18:07] <pasky> greycat: (by "upstream" in particular, but also by "flash-plugin")
3423 [20:18:16] <greycat> pasky: DOn't use a deb at all. No deb-multimedia. No backports, no pinning, no other crap. Just download upstream's flash plugin.
3424 [20:18:26] <greycat> !upstream
3425 [20:18:26] <dpkg> somebody said upstream was where Debian developers download software from. replaced-url
3426 [20:18:36] <omenius> okay sorry, but I was thinking now about debian, I want to know the differences
3427 [20:18:37] <greycat> Upstream in this case being adobe.com
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3429 [20:19:15] <greycat> isc-dhcp-client is the default DHCP client in Debian
3430 [20:19:35] <jmcnaught> Devastator: the whole output please
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3432 [20:20:16] <Devastator> jmcnaught replaced-url
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3440 [20:21:01] <omenius> may I ask what is the default dchp client program in Debian?
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3442 [20:21:11] <Devastator> dhclient iirc
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3444 [20:21:22] <jmcnaught> Devastator: networking service is disabled on your system, this is not the default. What is configuring networking instead of networking.service on your system?
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3447 [20:21:53] <pasky> greycat: Thanks. Since these are steps I need to explain via chat to an end-user with a notebook somewhere, I'll go with deb-multimedia.
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3450 [20:22:17] <Devastator> jmcnaught it was networking.service, but I had a tough time updating from jessie to stretch so something changed during postint of something
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3452 [20:22:28] <jmcnaught> !dmm
3453 [20:22:28] <dpkg> We recommend against using deb-multimedia.org; these unofficial packages are known to cause many hard to debug problems. They are not in Debian either because the they are poor in quality or for legal reasons. See replaced-url
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3455 [20:22:37] <jmcnaught> pasky: ^^ see above from dpkg
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3457 [20:22:43] <Devastator> jmcnaught how do I enable it?
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3460 [20:22:49] <random_numbers> Is there no Free alternative to the firmware patch ar3k/AthrBT_0x31010000.dfu ?
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3463 [20:23:13] <jmcnaught> Devastator: "systemctl enable networking" but you should also check to see what else you configured in the past for networking as an alternative
3464 [20:23:26] <Devastator> jmcnaught nothing really
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3466 [20:23:39] <greycat> pasky: installing adobe.com's flash plugin is super easy. Just extract the tarball, then copy the libflashplayer.so file into ~/.mozilla/plugins/ (for firefox)
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3471 [20:24:03] <iBdaOGtripleOG> anyone have experience with lftp doing ftp with implicit tls?
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3473 [20:24:08] <greycat> !anyone
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3475 [20:24:08] <dpkg> Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
3476 [20:24:14] <jmcnaught> Devastator: run "systemctl" with no options for a list of all the active units
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3478 [20:24:20] <teraflops> Devastator: are you already using another network management daemon?
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3480 [20:24:37] <greycat> But FTP and TLS have nothing to do with each other.
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3482 [20:24:47] <greycat> So, not sure I even understand the question's background here.
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3484 [20:25:19] <Devastator> jmcnaught replaced-url
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3487 [20:26:03] <br> how do i turn off these system sounds in debian 9?
3488 [20:26:04] <Devastator> teraflops it was a jessie install with no 3rd party daemons
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3491 [20:26:25] <jmcnaught> Devastator: right, so now your system will actually try to use the /etc/network/interfaces file on boot. But you still need to figure out what was configuring networking while networking.service was disabled
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3497 [20:27:24] <jmcnaught> br: look in the preferences for your desktop environment. In GNOME it's under the sound settings
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3499 [20:27:38] <br> it's xfce
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3501 [20:27:45] <teraflops> Devastator: same here but systemctl status networking says active
3502 [20:27:54] <Devastator> jmcnaught replaced-url
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3505 [20:28:39] <Devastator> teraflops I've upgraded from jessie to stretch and it wasn't cleanly, so that might be the issue
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3509 [20:28:56] <Walakea> i just successfully upgraded to stretch and my gnome desktop works fine, however when i try to log in to xfce4, the screen goes black and then it returns to login screen.
3510 [20:28:56] <Walakea> i had partially installed xfce4 before the upgrade
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3513 [20:29:47] <armin> uh, funny. printers are not showing up in libreoffice, but do so in evince and firefox...
3514 [20:29:48] <jmcnaught> Devastator: I don't know how your networking.service got disabled, but in your list of active units I don't see any other network config things that I'm aware of. Is it possible you did something weird like disabled networking and ran a custom script?
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3517 [20:30:35] <Walakea> also, changing the TIMEOUT in /etc/default/grub did not seem to do the job
3518 [20:30:42] <Walakea> (i set it to 1)
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3522 [20:31:21] <jmcnaught> Walakea: did you run update-grub after changing it?
3523 [20:31:39] <Walakea> oh, forgot that
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3525 [20:32:08] <Devastator> jmcnaught no, but I think during apt-get dist-upgrade it couldn't upgrade udev, systemd and gave me a lot of connection timed out on systemd's services, that could be it
3526 [20:32:19] <Devastator> let me reboot it once again to see if it works
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3533 [20:34:26] <Devastator> ok, works now
3534 [20:35:27] <jmcnaught> Devastator: it's strange that networking.service was disabled for you. systemctl is not the only command that can disable a service, update-rc.d still works too. Anyways, good you got it working
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3538 [20:36:39] <teraflops> Devastator: may I ask why you tell the bridge to get ip address via dhcp?
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3546 [20:39:03] <PflasterMann> Hey! Does anyone know how to filter out only the ACTION=="add" events from `udevadm monitor`?
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3551 [20:39:36] <random_numbers> Are .dfu files full firmware or just patches?
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3554 [20:40:52] <sparky4> petn-randall: ok any idea what is causing it before i suspend?
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3560 [20:42:52] <erika4|dinky4> petn-randall this is sparky4 on my IBM Thinkpad 600e running FreeDOS and using irc jr
3561 [20:43:44] <pasky> jmcnaught: I know, that's why I double-checked there's no Debian proper solution.
3562 [20:43:51] <erika4|dinky4> brb
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3564 [20:43:59] <pasky> (which doesn't include explaining how to extract tarballs to end users)
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3566 [20:44:24] <greycat> You think editing sources.list is easier than "paste these tar, cp, rm commands"?
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3570 [20:44:49] <greycat> Not to mention the long-term breakage of having dmm as a source.
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3574 [20:45:41] <jmcnaught> replaced-url
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3579 [20:50:02] <pasky> Probably not, if I tried it myself on a local computer first. I was able to provide dmm instructions without further testing and it worked. I just wish Debian's flash packages would have made it to stretch.
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3581 [20:50:02] <greycat> (Also, downloading and copying libflashplayer.so doesn't require root at any point.)
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3584 [20:50:56] <jmcnaught> also, now you get to help people fix their systems when dmm breaks something
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3586 [20:51:45] <pasky> :) i've heard about it happenning and know it's frowned upon, but to be honest in 10 years it never happenned to me personally
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3604 [20:57:36] <Walakea> i tried reinstalling xfce4 packages but it still does not work, does it have to do with GDM3 and wayland?
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3610 [20:59:46] <teraflops> I dont think it has nothing to do with it
3611 [21:00:17] <jmcnaught> Walakea: can you find the logs for your Xorg session? If you're using GDM and root-less Xorg they could be in ~/.local/share/xorg or if not in /var/log/Xorg.0.log (unless xfce4 also uses wayland, but i don't think it does)
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3616 [21:03:05] <teraflops> lol no, iirc xfce4 is not even fully ported to gtk3
3617 [21:03:37] <Walakea> there are two files with time difference about 3 mins so it be it, however i tried running both files through grep xfce but did not found anything
3618 [21:04:03] <teraflops> but I believe gdm running under wayland (if that's the case) has nothing to do with the DE/WM you choose to start
3619 [21:04:16] <Walakea> so i am not sure, according to the time the file should be .local/share/xorg/Xorg.0.log.old
3620 [21:04:37] <erika4|dinky4> debian stretch fails to function after a resume from suspention
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3631 [21:06:19] <jmcnaught> Walakea: if you are unsure then do another login, and then make a paste of the file. On the GDM login screen, do both GNOME/Xorg and GNOME/Wayland work?
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3634 [21:07:39] <Walakea> replaced-url
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3637 [21:08:46] <Walakea> both gnomes work
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3639 [21:09:27] <Walakea> note that i am not 100 % sure that this log is from the unsuccessful xfce4 session
3640 [21:09:30] <jmcnaught> Walakea: well there are no (EE) errors in that file, and it looks to me like Xorg is just closing its session normally. Is it possible that you are missing components of xfce4? Did you install it with a metapackage, and which one?
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3643 [21:11:06] <Walakea> before the upgrade i installed some partial version: the seesion worked with all the plugins and so on however it did not install the default xfce applications.
3644 [21:11:06] <Walakea> after the upgrade i removed xfce* and reinstalled the package xfce4
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3652 [21:15:20] <jmcnaught> Walakea: I don't know enough about xfce4 to know where to look for its logs. If you look at "journalctl -u gdm" you can see your logins. With GNOME you can also look at "journalctl --user" but I doubt that xfce4 is writing to the user journal
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3658 [21:17:07] <teraflops> Walakea: the xorg log you want is the one from ~/.local/share/xorg/
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3662 [21:18:11] <Walakea> i already provided that one
3663 [21:18:38] <Walakea> however the gdm log is quite short with these interesting lines:
3664 [21:18:39] <Walakea> Jul 12 20:08:53 debian gdm3[765]: GdmDisplay: display lasted 2.855214 seconds
3665 [21:19:11] <Walakea> other than that only messages saying session started by me
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3676 [21:23:55] <teraflops> Walakea: and what happens if you do plain startx with ~/.xinitrc or xfce4 as default DE via alternative system?
3677 [21:24:35] <Walakea> i never did this
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3686 [21:27:54] <jmcnaught> Walakea: or login to xfce4 as a different user?
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3691 [21:29:13] <teraflops> Walakea: anyway it looks to me that it's not gdm's fault, that's why using startx should help to troubleshoot the issue
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3696 [21:30:41] <Walakea> after another reboot, xfce4 works
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3702 [21:32:16] <teraflops> with gdm?
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3704 [21:32:45] <Walakea> yes
3705 [21:32:51] <teraflops> well, the itcrowd approach worked
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3707 [21:33:01] <Iridos> wekkm skap a "windows" sticker on it
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3709 [21:33:46] <Walakea> there is one small thing however, is it possible to somewhere activate numlock and tap to clock (touchpad) in gdm?
3710 [21:34:00] <jmcnaught> i wonder what it was, some resource that didn't get released properly?
3711 [21:34:03] <Walakea> it works when i log in but not before that
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3714 [21:37:19] <teraflops> ,v numlockx
3715 [21:37:20] <judd> Package: numlockx on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.2-4; jessie: 1.2-7; buster: 1.2-7+b2; stretch: 1.2-7+b2; sid: 1.2-7+b2
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3717 [21:37:59] <teraflops> Walakea: use that thingy but idk if that works in wayland
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3723 [21:39:32] <teraflops> Walakea: then enable it in /etc/gdm3/Init/Default
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3746 [21:51:20] <erika4|dinky4> i have noidea where the issue of mine is
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3775 [22:02:48] <JyZyXEL> security & stability wise, is it better to run the kernel from stretch-backports Vs manually building the latest vanilla stable kernel via make deb-pkg?
3776 [22:03:51] <Walakea> also on my laptop, all the Fn + X keys work except for screen brightness, the system simply does not recognize that key combination
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3779 [22:04:15] <greycat> JyZyXEL: it makes no sense to mess around with the kernel without a *reason*. Just use the one that comes with your release of Debian unless you have a specific need for some other.
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3781 [22:04:37] <braingain> JyZyXEL: linux kernel is stable for 40 years now
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3783 [22:05:16] <JyZyXEL> braingain: but i assume the debian linux-images contain debian-specific patches
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3785 [22:05:35] <JyZyXEL> and a vanilla kernel might not have all those patches and thus it might not function properly?
3786 [22:05:54] <Walakea> i found a possible solution on arch forums but i am not sure how to execute it
3787 [22:05:55] <teraflops> JyZyXEL: I wont bothering myself building kernels by hand anymore, unless there are strong reasons behind it
3788 [22:05:58] <Walakea> replaced-url
3789 [22:06:11] <braingain> Walakea: its always fun to bind them keys by yourself check replaced-url
3790 [22:06:42] <JyZyXEL> teraflops: it's a bit of a different story for a gaming machine
3791 [22:06:47] <Walakea> what is the command that listens to all input events?
3792 [22:06:51] <teraflops> JyZyXEL: which patches specifically? you meant debian patches?
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3794 [22:06:54] <Walakea> mouse + keyboard
3795 [22:07:02] <greycat> Walakea: usually it's called X
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3797 [22:07:07] <teraflops> xev?
3798 [22:07:10] <Walakea> yes
3799 [22:07:15] <braingain> JyZyXEL: now you're insulting
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3801 [22:07:42] <Walakea> yes, i wanted to say that xev does nothing when i press the key combination
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3803 [22:07:53] <jmcnaught> Walakea: do the Fn keys work in GNOME, but not in xfce4?
3804 [22:07:54] <Walakea> Fn + brigthness
3805 [22:07:57] <bezaban> JyZyXEL: run debian kernels or build them the debian way
3806 [22:08:09] <Walakea> no, not at all
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3808 [22:08:21] <Walakea> but all the other Fn + stuff work
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3812 [22:09:20] <Walakea> i have Asus F555LB
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3814 [22:09:33] <JyZyXEL> bezaban: the upstream bindeb-pkg seems to produce working debian packages
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3818 [22:10:36] <bezaban> JyZyXEL: upstream or 3rd party repo?
3819 [22:11:00] <JyZyXEL> bezaban: upstream linus kernel
3820 [22:11:04] <jmcnaught> JyZyXEL: what is the problem you are trying to solve with the newer kernel?
3821 [22:11:20] <JyZyXEL> jmcnaught: amdgpu stuff
3822 [22:11:34] <greycat> What "stuff"? What isn't working?
3823 [22:11:43] <jmcnaught> JyZyXEL: as in, you need a feature that isn't present in stretch?
3824 [22:12:11] <JyZyXEL> jmcnaught: oh no no, first i need to get jessie to properly virtualize stretch
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3826 [22:12:41] <braingain> Walakea: REMOVE ASUS you are worst distributor you are the distrib idiot you are the distrib smell. return to deskop. to our desktop cousins you may come our contry
3827 [22:13:04] <erika4|dinky4> replaced-url
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3829 [22:13:10] <Walakea> :(
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3831 [22:13:17] <braingain> tupac alive numbr #1 in laptop
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3833 [22:13:29] <erika4|dinky4> i have issues with suspend... hmmm
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3835 [22:14:22] <teraflops> JyZyXEL: I suppose youre aware that the virtualized stretch (aka guest) wont use amdgpu driver
3836 [22:14:55] <towo`> erika4|dinky4, are you using binary graphics drivers like nvidia?
3837 [22:15:06] <erika4|dinky4> yeah i am
3838 [22:15:13] <JyZyXEL> teraflops: yeah it does, i map the card to it
3839 [22:15:19] <teraflops> braingain: are you about to insult any nick here?
3840 [22:15:19] <ioudas^working> Anyone familar with request tracker here? I am trying to get custom fields to show up on a ticket. Yet they wont. Any help would be appreciated.
3841 [22:15:34] <teraflops> JyZyXEL: ah gpu passthrough
3842 [22:16:22] <braingain> erika4|dinky4: when i originally got this laptop i was strugglin with asus acpi as well. did not got it to work. now my friends are asking how to fix this p0s
3843 [22:16:28] <jmcnaught> JyZyXEL: oh. actually I have a stretch VM that uses amdgpu, everything is stock
3844 [22:16:43] <erika4|dinky4> ah
3845 [22:16:49] <towo`> erika4|dinky4, nvidia and suspend problems are well known
3846 [22:16:50] <erika4|dinky4> it worked just fine in jessie!
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3849 [22:17:52] <towo`> you can't compare jessie with stretch, another nvidia-driver, another kernel-version == new acpi issues
3850 [22:17:56] <jmcnaught> erika4|dinky4: you cannot suspend? or you cannot resume? Are there clues in the logs?
3851 [22:18:31] <teraflops> erika4|dinky4: well, suspend/hibernate depends on gpu/kernel/hw combo
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3854 [22:19:24] <erika4|dinky4> i cannot resume from suspend
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3856 [22:19:27] <teraflops> and yeah what towo` says
3857 [22:19:35] <erika4|dinky4> the machines turns on but it is 200% locked up
3858 [22:19:38] <teraflops> i bet youre not alone
3859 [22:19:54] <erika4|dinky4> i should uninst nvidi kernel then
3860 [22:20:04] <towo`> the nvidia linux forum is full of such messages
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3862 [22:20:31] <sparky4> towo`: ! ah
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3866 [22:21:38] <erika4|dinky4> also evolution is broke again. database services sources 5 timed out .. but the suspend issue is more important at the moment
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3868 [22:22:35] <jmcnaught> erika4|dinky4: how do you fix it when it will not resume? you reboot?
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3870 [22:23:13] <erika4|dinky4> i unplug my laptop forcefully
3871 [22:23:16] <erika4|dinky4> and reboot
3872 [22:23:19] <erika4|dinky4> yeah...
3873 [22:23:21] <teraflops> ^
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3877 [22:24:43] <towo`> sparky4, ??
3878 [22:24:51] <teraflops> erika4|dinky4: I wonder if switching to tty and then again to gnome works, unless the laptop is truly locked (not even replying to ping)
3879 [22:25:00] <erika4|dinky4> towo` sparky4 is me
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3881 [22:25:06] <erika4|dinky4> and on the affected laptop
3882 [22:25:15] <erika4|dinky4> i am using 2 computers
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3884 [22:25:18] <jmcnaught> erika4|dinky4: you can either look in /var/log/syslog for messages that immediately precede the new boot, or you could look at /usr/share/doc/systemd/README.Debian.gz for how to enable persistent journals and use "journalctl --boot=-1 --lines=50" to see the last 50 lines of your previous boot
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3886 [22:25:42] <sparky4> teraflops: NOPE
3887 [22:26:11] <sparky4> jmcnaught: ok i will look
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3894 [22:28:34] <jhutchins_wk> ioudas^working: sales@bestpractical.com
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3905 [22:34:51] <Walakea> dmesg says: [ 7.313292] input: Asus WMI hotkeys as /devices/platform/asus-nb-wmi/input/input20
3906 [22:34:51] <Walakea> however that file does not exist
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3911 [22:36:08] <Walakea> it does, in /sys
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3959 [23:02:48] <tw> Using schroot is it possible to specify extra bind directories on the command line? For example, if I have the chroot config replaced-url
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3961 [23:03:31] <tw> the gitdir-uuid directory changes for every execution, so I won't know what it is until I'm entering schroot.
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3967 [23:05:02] <mandate20> hey guys, i'm trying to install a outdated driver on debian stretch (fglrx-driver), however, when i go to install it - it's telling me that the package is not available and referred to by another package but doesn't give me the name of the package
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3969 [23:05:07] <mandate20> any way to retrieve this information?
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3972 [23:05:44] <towo`> you can't install fglrx in stretch
3973 [23:05:54] <jmcnaught> mandate20: fglrx-driver was dropped because it's no longer developed upstream, and is incompatible with the version of Xorg in stretch
3974 [23:05:57] <towo`> and btw, fglrx is dead and for sure not needed
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3979 [23:06:20] <klys> unless I'm using the card it works with
3980 [23:06:25] <Guest87034> hey
3981 [23:06:26] <sidetracking> was about to scrap debian
3982 [23:06:29] <sidetracking> couldn't install anything
3983 [23:06:31] <Guest87034> i am new to kali
3984 [23:06:37] <sidetracking> bunch of pwned dependencies
3985 [23:06:50] <sidetracking> nothing fixed it
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3987 [23:06:56] <sidetracking> read errything
3988 [23:07:00] <towo`> Guest87034, wrong channel
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3990 [23:07:05] <sidetracking> still couldn't fix it
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3992 [23:07:17] <towo`> sidetracking, aha
3993 [23:07:17] <jmcnaught> sidetracking: "/msg dpkg bat" for troubleshooting information to provide if you would like some help. Also please don't hit <enter> every couple of words, when it gets busy it makes you hard to follow
3994 [23:07:20] <sidetracking> tried installing something with aptitude
3995 [23:07:31] <sidetracking> "would you like to fix literally everything?"
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3997 [23:07:34] <sidetracking> >yes
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3999 [23:07:38] <sidetracking> >it just werks
4000 [23:07:40] <sidetracking> nice
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4002 [23:07:46] <Shawn|i7-720QM> howdy
4003 [23:08:12] <mandate20> jmcnaught: Any replacements? What should I install in it's place?
4004 [23:08:22] <Shawn|i7-720QM> what do the 3 different images represent? replaced-url
4005 [23:08:22] <towo`> the free radeon driver
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4007 [23:08:30] <jmcnaught> mandate20: presumably it is already working with the free radeon driver
4008 [23:08:43] <sidetracking> jmcnaught i dont need any help and i will smash the enter button when i feel like it
4009 [23:08:53] <towo`> mandate20, only firmware-amd-graphics is needed for propper working
4010 [23:09:09] <sidetracking> im sorry but thats the lifestyle i live
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4012 [23:09:12] <sidetracking> straight up lavish
4013 [23:09:20] <towo`> sidetracking, play elsewhere
4014 [23:09:23] <jmcnaught> sidetracking: this is a support channel, not a rant channel. If you need help ask a detailed question and provide the troubleshooting information requested
4015 [23:09:32] <mandate20> towo: thanks let's hope it has an opencl directory or something
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4017 [23:10:36] <sidetracking> jmcnaught im praising debian and aptitude
4018 [23:10:37] <klys> this is an agp ati card on an amd mp system, p.sure it needs fglrx
4019 [23:10:42] <sidetracking> you don't have to listen
4020 [23:10:46] <jmcnaught> mandate20: there is mesa-opencl-icd. lots of other packages with opencl in the name you could check too
4021 [23:11:18] <aataca> Hey, need some help with grep (or possible find/awk), I need to focus on a directory with a bunch of files, and i need to find certain lines (a pattern) in all of those files, then output the results to another file, but I need to do that file by file, meaning I don't want a large file as a list of results, I need a new file that just has the results of what was found, does that make sense? also, if you're knowledable enough, I need the new files to be
4022 [23:11:18] <aataca> named the same as their source, but they will be outputted in a separate directory
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4024 [23:11:52] <jmcnaught> sidetracking: please use #debian-offtopic for non-support discussions
4025 [23:12:10] <towo`> klys, if it works with fglrx, it works with radeon
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4027 [23:12:16] <sidetracking> but its not off topic
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4032 [23:12:47] <Shawn|i7-720QM> anyone?
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4039 [23:13:54] <jmcnaught> Shawn|i7-720QM: the first DVD contains the most used packages, the second one less used packages, the third least frequently used. Most people use the small netinst image, and it downloads the necessary packages from a network mirror (instead of copying from the disc), this almost always results in less downloading over all
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4041 [23:14:21] <aataca> anyone know a better channel for my question
4042 [23:14:28] <Shawn|i7-720QM> which one is recommended for installing most faster?
4043 [23:14:30] <aataca> aka room
4044 [23:15:01] <towo`> Shawn|i7-720QM, the netinstall
4045 [23:15:23] <Shawn|i7-720QM> is that the first one?
4046 [23:15:27] <towo`> no
4047 [23:15:28] <jmcnaught> Shawn|i7-720QM: replaced-url
4048 [23:15:43] <jmcnaught> aataca: you could try #bash
4049 [23:15:54] <Shawn|i7-720QM> will it work on a 6400 series scsi controller card?
4050 [23:16:11] <Shawn|i7-720QM> the card complains about needing a firmware upgrade
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4052 [23:16:43] <Brigo> aataca, #bash
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4054 [23:17:02] <jmcnaught> Shawn|i7-720QM: if you refer to the Debian install manual there is a chapter on how to deal with missing firmwares during the upgrade. That chapter has a link to a netinst image that contains most (but not all) available firmwares
4055 [23:17:16] <Shawn|i7-720QM> ahh nice
4056 [23:17:20] <mandate20> jmcnaught: receiving this error: replaced-url
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4058 [23:17:29] <Shawn|i7-720QM> so its a good thing I'm going to try debian on it
4059 [23:17:48] <jmcnaught> mandate20: when you do…?
4060 [23:18:07] <mandate20> jmcnaught: Well, not sure which headers are required to install
4061 [23:18:08] <Shawn|i7-720QM> the server I'm using is a netburst ProLiant ML350 G4P
4062 [23:18:38] <jmcnaught> mandate20: it looks like you are compiling something from source? Install what? All of the clairvoyants are on vacation. Also don't compile software as root
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4064 [23:19:12] <towo`> mandate20, apt-cache search opencl dev
4065 [23:19:18] <mandate20> jmcnaught: I'll get back to you shortly after some more testing
4066 [23:19:20] <mandate20> thanks towo
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4068 [23:19:39] <towo`> mandate20, then you yuo have enaugh choices
4069 [23:19:55] <Shawn|i7-720QM> I would like to work with it from this computer, so I dont have to keep running between rooms
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4071 [23:20:04] <jmcnaught> Shawn|i7-720QM: if that server works with other distros of Linux, it will work with Debian. If it requires a non-free firmware, it's possible to deal with that during the installation
4072 [23:20:21] <towo`> mandate20, and the question from jmcnaught was about "you get this masseage when you do what?"
4073 [23:20:29] <Shawn|i7-720QM> is there a way to find out if its nonfree or free?
4074 [23:20:55] <towo`> mandate20, paste without any kontext is absolute useless
4075 [23:21:03] <jmcnaught> Shawn|i7-720QM: research the hardware online
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4077 [23:21:22] <towo`> i would use the non-free netinstall image
4078 [23:21:31] <mandate20> towo: I understand and agree, Need to test a few things first
4079 [23:21:33] <Shawn|i7-720QM> I did, not finding much
4080 [23:21:38] <mandate20> thanks for the input (towo and jmc)
4081 [23:21:40] <jmcnaught> Shawn|i7-720QM: if you can get the PCI-ID for the device "lspci -nn" then you can look it up on replaced-url
4082 [23:21:43] <towo`> then the chances are higher, that it will work
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4084 [23:22:17] <Shawn|i7-720QM> I tried booting lubuntu 17.04 on it, kept getting nmi watchdog soft lockupo on cpu #0 for 23 seconds
4085 [23:22:23] <Shawn|i7-720QM> *lockup
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4088 [23:23:10] <jmcnaught> Shawn|i7-720QM: i would read the Debian install manual and then try installing, maybe you won't have any issues at all, but if you do you can ask for help here: replaced-url
4089 [23:23:30] <Shawn|i7-720QM> jmcnaught, I just downloaded the netinstall you linkedmeto
4090 [23:23:46] <Shawn|i7-720QM> *linked me to
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4093 [23:25:01] <jmcnaught> Shawn|i7-720QM: cool, if you don't read the entire manual make sure to look at 6.4 Loading Missing Firmware
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4098 [23:27:17] <Shawn|i7-720QM> ooh has an option to install with speech synthesis, the server doesn't have audio hardware though
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4105 [23:31:00] <Shawn|i7-720QM> PCI audio card wont fit in a PCI-X system
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4111 [23:33:52] <br> how do i disable loud beep in xfce? it happens everytime i press delete on keyboard
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4125 [23:39:27] <th0r> br: try this 'xset b off '
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4130 [23:39:58] <br> ok, works for now
4131 [23:40:04] <br> its scared the crap out of me just now
4132 [23:40:09] <br> such an annoying sound
4133 [23:40:17] <th0r> br: you can always put it in a small script and add it to 'Session and Startup'
4134 [23:40:35] <br> wait, it restarts everytime i turn on my laptop?
4135 [23:41:29] <th0r> br: detailed info here...replaced-url
4136 [23:41:35] <br> thank you!
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4145 [23:45:52] <Shawn|i7-720QM> well, debian doesn't want to boot
4146 [23:46:26] <jmcnaught> Shawn|i7-720QM: what does it do instead?
4147 [23:46:37] <Shawn|i7-720QM> does rufus break debian distros?
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4150 [23:46:43] <jmcnaught> yes
4151 [23:46:59] <Shawn|i7-720QM> thats the only efficient way I have to install an operating system to the server
4152 [23:47:00] <jmcnaught> !rufus
4153 [23:47:00] <dpkg> rufus is a tool that can be used to make bootable USB devices under Windows. It is not recommended for use with Debian CD/DVD images, as it mangles the installer in cruel and unusual ways, resulting in hard to debug problems. Ask me about <hybrid images>, <usb install>, <win32diskimager>.
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4155 [23:47:20] <Shawn|i7-720QM> ah
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4157 [23:47:36] <Shawn|i7-720QM> are there usb net install disks?
4158 [23:47:44] <Shawn|i7-720QM> an unetbootin
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4160 [23:47:52] <jmcnaught> Shawn|i7-720QM: if you have another Linux computer you can simply use "cp debian.iso /dev/sdX" to copy the image to USB. The image is already partitioned, so make sure you copy to the device, not a partition
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4162 [23:48:10] <Shawn|i7-720QM> I dont have another linux computer running
4163 [23:48:31] <jmcnaught> Shawn|i7-720QM: then "/msg dpkg win32diskimager" and use that
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4165 [23:48:54] <br> ok, that worked perfectly @th0r thanks once again
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4167 [23:49:20] <th0r> br: :)
4168 [23:49:36] <Shawn|i7-720QM> using unetbootin
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4172 [23:50:05] <jmcnaught> Shawn|i7-720QM: that breaks things too… please follow the directions provided.
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4175 [23:50:22] <Brigo> !UNetbootin
4176 [23:50:23] <dpkg> UNetbootin (Universal Netboot Installer) allows creation of bootable USB drives for a variety of Linux distributions. replaced-url
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4179 [23:51:30] * Shawn|i7-720QM facepalms
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4181 [23:51:44] <Shawn|i7-720QM> why is debian so stubborn
4182 [23:51:57] <Shawn|i7-720QM> dog gone stubborn
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4188 [23:53:03] <ZSky> if I do a script.sh "cd /blah/ (newline) cat blah1 blah2" it works
4189 [23:53:09] <Shawn|i7-720QM> I thought unetbootin was the officially supported way to make a usb net install disk
4190 [23:53:13] <ZSky> but at the end it goes back to where I was initially
4191 [23:53:18] <ZSky> and it doesn't stay in /blah/
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4193 [23:53:19] <ZSky> why?
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4197 [23:54:53] <Shawn|i7-720QM> they failed to label which download is for usb replaced-url
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4199 [23:55:56] <Shawn|i7-720QM> they tell you what you can do and ommit the Download USB disk here, or Download cd image here pointers
4200 [23:56:04] <Shawn|i7-720QM> *usb disk image
4201 [23:56:07] <ZSky> why, if there is a cd /blah/ in a script.sh, it doesn't stay there after the script has finished?
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4209 [23:57:46] <Shawn|i7-720QM> Please...somebody?
4210 [23:57:56] <ZSky> Please...somebody? (too)
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4212 [23:58:15] <Shawn|i7-720QM> they are probably wallowing in laughter
4213 [23:58:37] <Shawn|i7-720QM> in their pride of knowing this secret
4214 [23:58:53] <th0r> Shawn|i7-720QM: I just reinstalled Jessie on my laptop yesterday. I just downloaded cd1 and copied it to a usb drive, then boot off the drive
4215 [23:58:56] <Shawn|i7-720QM> that prevents me from downloading the correct format distro
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