• 0[00:00:04] <Brigo> that they are. I have never seen a gziped module before.
• 1[00:00:13] * rapha ponders find /lib/modules/4.12*/kernel -type f -name '*.gz' -exec gunzip {} \;
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• 3[00:00:33] <rapha> No harm in trying I guess ... can always reinstall the .deb files.
• 4[00:00:39] <Brigo> rapha, and then maybe they will stop working :D
• 5[00:00:49] <rapha> we'll see :)
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• 7[00:01:09] <jmcnaught> rapha: dpkg is not going to remove the new files created by gunzip in /lib/modules
• 8[00:01:32] <rapha> jmcnaught: I can do that myself if it comes to that.
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• 11[00:03:36] <Brigo> there is no new version of initramfs-tools, so i guess it should handle it.
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• 15[00:05:11] <rapha> Didn't help any.
• 16[00:05:29] <rapha> Brigo: does depmod -a not affect the running kernel's modules only, btw?
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• 18[00:06:22] <Brigo> rapha, i would say so.
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• 21[00:07:13] <rapha> Brigo: okay, so that's not actually relevant.
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• 24[00:07:44] * rapha really wants to know now how mkinitramfs decides what files to include
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• 26[00:08:33] <Brigo> rapha, i think that gziped modules thing is from the configuration file from that guy. Maybe you can modify it and get a new .deb with not gziped modules
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• 29[00:09:48] <Brigo> CONFIG_MODULE_COMPRESS_GZIP=y <--
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• 33[00:10:59] <rapha> Worth a shot.
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• 39[00:12:50] <rapha> Brigo: hey, what about going all s/=m/=y/g on that file?
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• 43[00:14:05] <Brigo> rapha, that's another option. Not sure what is going to happen, though
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• 50[00:15:52] <rapha> It's probably likely that some options can only be built as modules and that things are going to crash and burn :)
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• 60[00:18:40] <Brigo> rapha, or they are going to get build as modules anyway.
• 61[00:19:00] *** debhelper sets mode: +l 1691
• 62[00:19:21] <tw> make oldconfig would probably undo the worst of the problems, if there were any.
• 63[00:19:39] <rapha> Hmm, you're much more optimistic than me Brigo :)
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• 66[00:22:40] <Brigo> i trust linux guys :)
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• 75[00:25:58] <rapha> Brigo: I think the modules.dep file is to blame. It's empty.
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• 80[00:27:10] <Brigo> rapha, depmode issue,then
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• 86[00:28:43] <rapha> Brigo: it's the same for me as for the guy at replaced-url
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• 88[00:28:59] <rapha> (Even after the depmod, the file isn't populated)
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• 91[00:29:17] <Brigo> depmod can't handle gziped modules, i guess.
• 92[00:29:30] <rapha> :-P
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• 97[00:30:42] <rapha> Recompile finished.
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• 108[00:34:51] <rapha> Brigo: BINGO! It's depmod that can't handle compressed .ko's, not mkinitramfs!
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• 122[00:41:43] <Brigo> rapha, so your brand new kernel is working finally?
• 123[00:42:50] <rapha> Brigo: no, now the battery just went dead after hours with the screen turned on.
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• 129[00:45:46] <altker128> Hey guys , not strictly a Debian issue. I'm trying to parse data between a > symbol and an end tag ; example "blah blah blah > THE INFORMATION I WANT </end_tag>" . Suggestions?
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• 131[00:46:14] <rapha> Brigo: nice! Found a USB-octopus-thingamajingle that will allow me to use USB stick and keyboard while charging the tablet :)
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• 135[00:47:22] <rednovae> I am installing the latest debian stable, and need to install a package during system installation. I have the .deb in a mounted partition, but "dpkg" seems to be gone, so no "dpkg -i"
• 136[00:47:33] <Brigo> altker128, bash?
• 137[00:47:36] <rednovae> How do I install a .deb during debian installation now?
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• 139[00:47:55] <altker128> Brigo: Yeah, I'm looking at various permutations of awk / sed / etc
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• 141[00:48:16] <Brigo> altker128, have you tried asking in #bash?
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• 143[00:48:32] <altker128> Brigo: Ah, that's probably smarter :)
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• 145[00:49:02] <Brigo> rednovae, are you sure dpkg is not there? it should be.
• 146[00:49:08] <jmcnaught> rednovae: the installer main menu should have an option to start a shell in the target system
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• 148[00:50:01] <rednovae> Brigo nope :/, ok I'll try something else then
• 149[00:50:22] <rapha> Brigo: jmcnaught: it booted the custom kernel! :-D
• 150[00:50:27] <rapha> Thank you both!!
• 151[00:50:30] <rednovae> It's "udpkg" now, found it
• 152[00:51:02] <rapha> Tomorrow: how the heck will we get WPA2 WiFi working without networkmanager ...
• 153[00:51:05] <Brigo> rapha, good for you :)
• 154[00:51:19] <jmcnaught> rednovae: that is for adding installer components during the install, you want to install the package in the target system, not using udpkg
• 155[00:51:22] <rapha> Brigo: good for you too because in the end you had the right idea :)
• 156[00:51:41] <Brigo> rapha, i have my moments :)
• 157[00:51:41] <negativerad> oldstable preloaded with nonfree iso still available, i can't seem to find any. i think it was called using-firmware or something.
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• 161[00:52:56] <Brigo> negativerad, replaced-url
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• 163[00:54:35] <negativerad> Brigo!
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• 167[00:56:28] <negativerad> Thank you =)
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• 169[00:57:08] <Brigo> negativerad, yw :)
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• 177[01:00:27] <altker128> Brigo: OK, I use the cut command piped to the cut command again and that worked. Super hacky but whatever
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• 189[01:08:23] <tm4> Hi. How to configure Cyrillic letters in TTY? (Debian 9)
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• 201[01:14:55] <Brigo> tm4, try this: replaced-url
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• 213[01:20:30] <tm4> Brigo, the language-env package does not exist.
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• 227[01:27:32] <Brigo> tm4, maybe with console-cyrillic package, then.
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• 232[01:29:55] <tm4> Brigo, console-cyrillic does not work.
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• 236[01:31:02] <Brigo> tm4, what's the output of env | grep LANG
• 237[01:31:50] <MarioMey> Hello... I have a USB soundcard and a microphone from a Webcam. I want to make each of them to have a particular hw:NUMBER. So, when I connect them to Jack, I can do it by script. There's documentation to do it in Ubuntu... but I'm on Debian.
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• 239[01:32:24] <MarioMey> My system doesn't have /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.
• 240[01:32:46] <MarioMey> Neither /etc/modules.conf or /etc/modprobe.conf... as another page says.
• 241[01:32:53] <MarioMey> So... how should I do it?
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• 246[01:35:33] <tm4> Brigo, LANG=ru_RU.UTF-8, LANGUAGE=ru_RU.UTF-8
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• 251[01:38:10] <Brigo> tm4, then i think you are missing the cyrillic fonts.
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• 256[01:39:56] <Brigo> i have to go to sleep, bye all
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• 259[01:40:25] <GRTYUYU> !ciao
• 260[01:40:25] <dpkg> well, ciao is both hello and goodbye (casual), or a slow and old but widely known Prolog interpreter.
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• 262[01:40:37] <GRTYUYU> !list
• 263[01:40:37] <dpkg> grtyuyu: È possibile scaricare un sacco di software libero puntando il tuo browser a replaced-url
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• 268[01:41:16] <jmcnaught> MarioMey: Debian /etc/modules, and you could create a file in /etc/modprobe.d/
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• 275[01:42:55] <jmcnaught> MarioMey: also why not refer to the card by name instead of number? replaced-url
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• 278[01:43:14] <tm4> Brigo, in dpkg-reconfigure console-setup chose terminus. How can I choose the right one?
• 279[01:43:21] <MarioMey> jmcnaught: Oh, good idea...
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• 287[01:46:51] <glick> hello
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• 289[01:46:56] <glick> damnit where the hell is everyone
• 290[01:47:05] <glick> all of freenode is quite whenever im on
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• 292[01:47:42] <jmcnaught> people in this channel often ignore greetings and only respond to support requests
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• 295[01:48:09] <electricfuneral> glick: feel free to ask a specific question, someone may answer
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• 308[01:53:18] <MarioMey> jmcnaught: Yes, that's the solution.
• 309[01:53:37] <MarioMey> But now... I can't connect HDMI sound with alsa_out any more...
• 310[01:54:03] <MarioMey> When you told me to use names, I did it and it could connect to PureData. Now, It says:
• 311[01:54:32] <MarioMey> Capture open error: No such file or directory
• 312[01:54:38] <MarioMey> After 5 other lines.
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• 316[01:55:00] <jmcnaught> MarioMey: what says that?
• 317[01:55:22] <MarioMey> alsa_out -j hdmsi -c 2 -d hw:NVidia
• 318[01:55:27] <MarioMey> alsa_out -j hdmi -c 2 -d hw:NVidia
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• 321[01:57:11] <MarioMey> jmcnaught: replaced-url
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• 324[01:58:06] <jmcnaught> MarioMey: try it with -v
• 325[01:58:21] <MarioMey> jmcnaught: it says the same.
• 326[01:58:28] <MarioMey> Nothing new.
• 327[01:58:59] <MarioMey> Can I reset that soundcard...?
• 328[01:59:04] <jmcnaught> MarioMey: full disclosure i've never used jackd and don't spend a lot of time configuring soundcards. Do you get that same error if you use the slot number instead of the name?
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• 330[01:59:22] <MarioMey> Yes.
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• 442[03:33:08] <mutante> Unpacking libsystemd0:i386 (232-25) over (231-4) ...
• 443[03:33:15] <mutante> /tmp/apt-dpkg-install-bECp7I/00-udev_232-25_i386.deb
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• 445[03:34:05] <mutante> and it all FAILS.. spectacular
• 446[03:34:34] <mutante> systemd and udev break it each other.. is it at least a common thing ?
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• 448[03:37:18] <jmcnaught> mutante: it's probably not a common thing to go frm 231-4 to 232-25…
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• 450[03:38:03] <mutante> because it's been broken for that long :?
• 451[03:38:19] <mutante> i think it's because it's a kernel version ending in -cloud
• 452[03:38:33] <mutante> blames the provider of this VM then
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• 454[03:38:53] <jmcnaught> mutante: what is the kernel version?
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• 457[03:39:05] <jmcnaught> and is it a container, or a vm?
• 458[03:39:05] <mutante> 3.4.0-cloud
• 459[03:39:18] <mutante> that seems old
• 460[03:39:32] <jmcnaught> that doesn't sound new enough to run the systemd in stretch
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• 469[03:41:24] <mutante> jmcnaught: it's a VM by hostvirtual.com and now the product i bought seems gone from their page :/ i guess i'll have to swtich
• 470[03:41:46] <mutante> yes, i got this some time ago as a jessie and then upgraded
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• 472[03:42:09] <kang9> How to test ethernet cable
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• 477[03:43:12] <mel00010> kang9: That doesn't seem to be a question relating to debian... I don't even know a channel you could ask that question. You should try Google.
• 478[03:43:19] <mutante> kang9: there are testers for it for under 10 bucks on Amazon
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• 481[03:43:50] <kang9> mutante I don't have testers isn't there any other way to Check it
• 482[03:44:01] <BBroad> anyone know a website I can curl to get my IPv6 address?
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• 484[03:44:27] <mutante> kang9: plug it into your laptop and the router, turn off wifi, see if you have internet :p
• 485[03:44:44] <abrotman> BBroad: with or without some grep,etc magic?
• 486[03:44:47] <Dagger> BBroad: ip6.me, if you don't mind picking it out of HTML
• 487[03:44:52] <Dagger> although it should just be in `ifconfig`/`ip a`
• 488[03:44:55] <kang9> I don't have wired Internet connection mutante
• 489[03:45:06] <kang9> I have Router and laptop though
• 490[03:46:05] <BBroad> abrotman: grep magic is fine
• 491[03:46:10] <mutante> kang9: soo, plug it into the router? don't tell me there are routers now without ethernet ports... but maybe it's Apple hardware then nothing surprises me anymore
• 492[03:46:21] <BBroad> Dagger: Thank you!
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• 498[03:48:48] <kang9> Router has ethernet port mutante
• 499[03:49:08] <mutante> BBroad: wget -O - -q icanhazip.com
• 500[03:49:16] <mutante> shows me v6 :)
• 501[03:49:20] <mutante> and nothing around it
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• 505[03:50:20] <mutante> kang9: so you have a port and you have a cable and you are still wondering how use them?
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• 507[03:50:37] <BBroad> mutante: thanks even better!
• 508[03:50:52] <mutante> :)
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• 511[03:51:45] <Dagger> I was going to suggest icanhazip.com, but they don't show the address in canonical format... which is a bit bizarre, but also dumb so I figured I'd avoid mentioning them
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• 513[03:52:10] <kang9> I never used router mutante
• 514[03:52:19] <jmcnaught> mutante: i try to avoid openvz/virtuozzo container style VPSs in favour of ones that are actual virtual machines, such as KVM, Xen VPSs
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• 516[03:53:16] <mutante> jmcnaught: i was under the impression that is what i have.. i think they just stopped offering them now
• 517[03:54:31] <mutante> dmidecode says "# No SMBIOS nor DMI entry point found, sorry.
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• 521[03:55:22] <mutante> kang9: just plug the cable into your laptop and the router and see if you get an IP via DHCP
• 522[03:56:00] <kang9> What's dhcp mutante
• 523[03:56:07] <kang9> Is it software?
• 524[03:56:23] <kang9> Do I need internet connection to check it?
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• 527[03:57:25] <mutante> kang9: sorry, i think it's getting too offtopic, if you dont know that then better to buy a cable tester.
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• 530[03:59:27] <kang9> You have a chance to save my 4usd
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• 546[04:10:12] <dgriffi> could I get someone to look at replaced-url
• 547[04:10:13] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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• 588[04:44:31] <vyadhaka> I am shopping for a cheap laptop for uni, will be running debian any suggestions
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• 590[04:47:18] <tx> thinkpad off ebay
• 591[04:47:36] <dvs> seconded
• 592[04:47:56] <Telex9> third
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• 595[04:50:04] <vyadhaka> I like thinkpads but the batteries from the used ones dont last long, I dont want to carry a charger every day, thats why I was thinking of buying a new one that gives 8hrs+ runtime
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• 598[04:51:17] <dvs> Then go for an Asus.
• 599[04:51:55] <vyadhaka> I did not know Asus made cheap laptops, or is it Acer?
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• 603[04:54:52] <vyadhaka> is it possible to do boot environments (like in Freebsd) with btrfs on debian?
• 604[04:55:09] <dvs> NOT AN ACER! DON'T GET THOSE!
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• 607[04:56:45] <mentor> Looking for any clue about the softhsm (opensdnssec) 1 → 2 migration process. I've read the documentation, and it leaves me without even a concrete question to start from.
• 608[04:56:57] <vyadhaka> dvs: Any reason why, poor build or driver issues? I will be going with best bang for buck, my main criteria is 8+hrs battery time. everything else is flexible,
• 609[04:57:13] <dvs> vyadhaka, poor build quality
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• 612[04:58:24] <vyadhaka> dvs: I dont have the mula to go for top of the line, it will have to do if it has the battery time and decent specs
• 613[04:58:29] <hvpc> replaced-url
• 614[04:59:26] <tharkun> Since when is dmesg a security risk not to be performed by a regular user. On 9.0 it can only be done by root :(
• 615[04:59:55] <tharkun> dmesg: read kernel buffer failed: Operation not permitted
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• 622[05:03:47] <mentor> I don't think it's unreasonable for users to not be able to read kernel debug output
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• 624[05:04:21] <tharkun> On 8.8 mount /media/usb mounted any usb dongle stuck into a usb port now you don't have dmesg, and no way of regular users to mount a simple usb
• 625[05:05:00] <tharkun> mentor: for like forever dmesg has been a regular user way of finding out how to mount a usb device. It is now gone.
• 626[05:05:25] <mentor> Regular users shouldn't be able to mount thinks without going through a policy layer, either
• 627[05:05:52] <mentor> It's, like, a security hole or somehting
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• 631[05:06:21] <tharkun> mentor: Enlighten me on the way to mount a usb device on a headless machine without root privilidges.
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• 633[05:07:38] <mentor> tharkun, Is this a media player of some sort?
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• 635[05:08:02] <tharkun> a regular usb device which holds information. Nothing else.
• 636[05:09:11] <friiq> tharkun: check dmesg for the device name
• 637[05:09:22] <mentor> …
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• 639[05:09:29] <friiq> "/dev/sdx"
• 640[05:09:57] <friiq> "mount /dev/sdx /directory"
• 641[05:10:39] <mentor> Well, your use case is unclear, but I'm assuming this is some sort of user media access, in which case I would set the machine to auto mount USB filesystems with appropriate filesystems with appropriate user filesystem options in an appropriate user media directory
• 642[05:11:06] <mentor> tharkun, /dev/ is usually user readable too
• 643[05:11:38] <mentor> Also, I'm pretty sure that new filesystem volumes are announced on various system information buses
• 644[05:11:50] <tharkun> mount is not user executable now and /dev/sdx is an uncertainty at this point in time.
• 645[05:12:08] <tharkun> mentor: How is that user readable?
• 646[05:12:36] <mentor> tharkun, How is what user readable?
• 647[05:12:51] <tharkun> the bus you mention. Which is unknown to me.
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• 649[05:13:45] <mentor> tharkun, You do understand why mounting things has a security boundary around it?
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• 651[05:14:01] <mentor> tharkun, Well, dbus and systemd are some, but that was an aside
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• 653[05:14:58] <tharkun> mentor: If you can mount them on gui it has the same security as on cli, now cli has become a second class citizen.
• 654[05:16:01] <mentor> tharkun, OK, so you're actually looking to complain rather than find a solution?
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• 656[05:16:38] <tharkun> mentor: I need a solution asap the complains are just impressions of me due to simple frustration.
• 657[05:16:48] <mentor> tharkun, What is your use case?
• 658[05:16:54] <jrmu> I couldn't find anyone seeding torrents for the less popular versions of debian (xfce, x86)
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• 660[05:17:10] <tharkun> I have data on several usb dongles that I need transfered to a machine.
• 661[05:17:24] <tharkun> !tell jrmu about jigdo
• 662[05:18:00] <tharkun> jrmu: It is the best way to get thos "weird" versions ;P
• 663[05:18:05] <mentor> tharkun, So, you have a headless machine to which you have only user access via (ssh?) on which you need to mount a USB mass storage device, once?
• 664[05:18:56] <jrmu> tharkun: Ah, didn't know debian was still using jigdo
• 665[05:18:58] <tharkun> mentor: I have console access no ssh and 10 128Gb dongles to feed to this machine.
• 666[05:19:07] <tharkun> jrmu: :)
• 667[05:19:52] <mentor> tharkun, Does the machine admin. want you doing this/have you asked the machine admin?
• 668[05:20:10] <tharkun> mentor: Is that relevant for the solution?
• 669[05:20:43] <mentor> Yes
• 670[05:21:00] <tharkun> The admin will be fired by me when he gets his butt over here.
• 671[05:21:16] <mentor> It's perfectly reasonable that the admin may have disabled mounting USB devices
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• 673[05:22:14] <mentor> tharkun, Try to imagine I have no idea who you are or what setup you're dealing with
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• 675[05:22:28] <vyadhaka> hvpc: that xiomiair is impressive to say the least and at a very reasonable price, I will have to find the cheapest source now
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• 679[05:22:49] <mentor> tharkun, Try using "udisksctl"
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• 689[05:26:03] <jrmu> tharkun: so suppose I go to this mirror here: replaced-url
• 690[05:26:22] <jrmu> for debian stretch
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• 693[05:27:00] <tharkun> mentor: You are right. I am under some pressure and wasn't polite at you. An apologie.
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• 700[05:29:05] <mentor> tharkun, Actually, I don't think you were particularly rude. You were, however, complaining. For the avoidance of doubt, I was providing you with information as fast as I figured it out.
• 701[05:30:08] <dgriffi> could I get someone to please comment on bug #866965?
• 702[05:30:09] <judd> Bug replaced-url
• 703[05:30:19] <dgriffi> dosemu is unusable
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• 705[05:31:54] <mentor> dgriffi, It could do with strace output anyway
• 706[05:33:13] <dgriffi> mentor: 360,000 lines...
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• 708[05:34:16] <mentor> dgriffi, I think, technically, the justification "renders package unusable" should be read as "… all standard use cases" or similar
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• 710[05:35:06] <dgriffi> mentor: well, you can tool around the simulated filesystem, but if you want to actually run anything, it'll crash
• 711[05:35:37] <tharkun> mentor: Works like a charm It will be a long night someone will be very greatful with you.
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• 713[05:37:01] <mentor> dgriffi, I just mean, not necessarily "renders package unusable for people with this kernel version". Consider this to be informational only.
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• 716[05:38:09] <mentor> dgriffi, That's a number of lines. Any smaller output you can get? If not, attach it anyway.
• 717[05:38:44] <mentor> dgriffi, It's good to remove excuses to work on other bugs
• 718[05:38:44] <dgriffi> I pared it down to 7000 lines if I cut everything before the first command
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• 720[05:39:56] <dgriffi> hmm... only 450 kilobytes or so
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• 722[05:40:38] <dgriffi> mentor: will 7035 lines be okay to not provoke that "excuse to work on other bugs"?
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• 730[05:43:08] <mentor> dgriffi, It at least shows willing to provide feedback, which is helpful, I think
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• 732[05:43:31] <mentor> dgriffi, You understand that in terms of this bug, I have no special standing, right?
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• 734[05:43:33] <dgriffi> I think I can cut it down a bit more by cutting down autoexec.bat and config.sys
• 735[05:43:37] <dgriffi> yes
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• 756[05:54:58] <mentor> dgriffi, This seems to be the only relevant thing in kernel history since the original bug: replaced-url
• 757[05:56:34] <dgriffi> mentor: so you think it might be a 32 versus 64 problem?
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• 765[05:59:43] <mentor> dgriffi, Yes, it is specifically a 32-bit vs 64-bit problem regarding what context is saved and restored going in and out of kernel mode
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• 767[06:00:10] <dgriffi> hmm... I suppose I shall try installing the 32-bit version of dosemu and see how that works.
• 768[06:00:33] <mentor> I suspect it's a kernel architecture problem
• 769[06:02:03] <dgriffi> I posted the update to my bug report that you suggested I do
• 770[06:02:30] <mentor> It might also be worthwhile testing with different kernels, I suppose
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• 776[06:05:42] <dgriffi> mentor: with the i386 version, dosemu freezes.
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• 884[07:31:25] <hansp1985> hi all, i have maybe a stupid question, i did a reinstall yesterday and my mounted volumes are not visible in the /media directory. any hints ?
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• 890[07:35:03] <jmcnaught> hansp1985: which desktop environment are you using? is there anything in /media? is there any information from "journalctl -u udisks2.service" or "systemctl status udisks2.service" ?
• 891[07:35:27] <hansp1985> i'm running openmediavault
• 892[07:35:42] <hansp1985> based on debian. :)
• 893[07:35:54] <hansp1985> no journal files were found
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• 895[07:36:06] <towo^work> omv is not debian
• 896[07:36:23] <towo^work> so you have to ask them
• 897[07:36:31] <hansp1985> debian 8
• 898[07:36:35] <towo^work> no
• 899[07:36:36] <hansp1985> that's why i tought ...
• 900[07:36:40] <towo^work> openmediavault
• 901[07:36:47] <hansp1985> oh ok
• 902[07:36:48] <hansp1985> damned :)
• 903[07:36:48] <towo^work> that is not debian
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• 905[07:37:01] <hansp1985> tought maybe getting a quicker answer here
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• 907[07:37:08] <hansp1985> something screwed up my install after power loss
• 908[07:37:31] <hansp1985> had to reinstall the whole thing, spent 5hrs trying to recover it ... got this after reinstallation :( nothing anymore in /media
• 909[07:37:41] <jmcnaught> hansp1985: if that distro's not working out for you, you can install Debian and then you get access to this support channel
• 910[07:38:07] <hansp1985> i'm used to omv and i like it. will see what they say, thx anyway ;)
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• 912[07:38:17] <hansp1985> just unsure what is wrong now
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• 917[07:45:36] <jmcnaught> hansp1985: you could also try asking on ##linux
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• 921[07:47:54] <ShalokShalom> hi there
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• 923[07:48:00] <ShalokShalom> there is a way to boot from the *hard drive* into the live mode
• 924[07:48:03] <ShalokShalom> you put the ISO somwhere into the file system, together with GRUB
• 925[07:48:18] <ShalokShalom> can anybody decribe/link me to further descriptions?
• 926[07:48:55] <ShalokShalom> Google spams me with different issues, like how to repair GRUB on the hard drive with a live system
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• 928[07:50:03] <jmcnaught> ,i grub-imageboot
• 929[07:50:04] <judd> Package grub-imageboot (admin, extra) in stretch/amd64: boot iso, harddisk and floppy images with grub2 and syslinux memdisk. Version: 0.6; Size: 4.3k; Installed: 42k
• 930[07:50:15] <jmcnaught> ShalokShalom: ^ i haven't used it though
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• 932[07:50:24] <ShalokShalom> thanks
• 933[07:50:35] <ShalokShalom> only GRUB can do that?
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• 936[07:50:49] <ShalokShalom> is GRUB now suitable for UEFI?
• 937[07:51:08] <ShalokShalom> thanks a lot
• 938[07:51:10] <jmcnaught> grub works with UEFI since jessie
• 939[07:51:45] <ShalokShalom> thanks
• 940[07:51:49] <jmcnaught> (if you boot the debian install in UEFI)
• 941[07:52:02] <ShalokShalom> i heard there are issues with GRUB and UEFI in general
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• 948[07:52:44] <jmcnaught> there will probably always be issues with everything, but i have been successfully booting with grub-efi-amd64 package (as opposed to grub-pc for BIOS) since jessie
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• 952[07:53:28] <Canucktux> >there will probably always be issues with everything
• 953[07:53:28] <Canucktux> Computers_irl
• 954[07:53:52] <jmcnaught> converting an existing system could be tricky, you'd need to boot from UEFI ISO image, set up a chroot, then replace grub-pc with the efi one
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• 962[07:58:52] <hansp1985> jmcnaught: found the disks @ /srv/.......
• 963[07:59:08] <hansp1985> strange new location but it will work for me. only to setup downloader for htpc stuff :)
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• 967[07:59:23] <jmcnaught> dpkg: tell hansp1985 about based on debian
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• 971[08:00:01] <hansp1985> lol :)
• 972[08:01:18] <jmcnaught> hansp1985: other distros are offtopic here. Debian desktops do not automount to /srv, you are better off getting support from the appropriate channel whether that means your distro's channel, or using Debian and coming back here
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• 975[08:04:00] <goiken> updated jessie > stretch yesterday. I have the feeling that booting times now went from ~10s to ~30s. any hints on where I could investigate?
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• 978[08:05:19] <jmcnaught> goiken: use "systemd-analyze blame"
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• 981[08:06:46] <goiken> jmcnaught looks all reasonable…
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• 983[08:07:26] <jmcnaught> goiken: there's nothing that shows a long time? the output should be sorted
• 984[08:07:37] <goiken> 8s for NetworkManager-wait-online.service and over a minute for a remote HD, but I already get a desktop by that time…
• 985[08:08:00] <goiken> 8s is about the time it takes, till I see something X-like
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• 989[08:09:33] <goiken> that’d be my guess: the new X or mate hangs up on something for ~10-20s because I see the busy-cursor for quite a while before I can do anything which wasn’t the case before.
• 990[08:10:44] <jmcnaught> goiken: whatever your display manager is you can check its service's journal with "journalctl -u gdm" (for example)
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• 992[08:11:10] <goiken> jmcnaught no entries
• 993[08:11:34] <jmcnaught> goiken: you need to be root, or a member of the sytemd-journal group
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• 996[08:12:04] <goiken> jmcnaught yes. same result
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• 998[08:13:31] <jmcnaught> goiken: are you using gdm? what does the Loaded: line say from "systemctl status display-manager"
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• 1000[08:15:31] <goiken> jmcnaught I think, it’s lightdm. looking at `journalctl -u lightdm` which also looks reasonable. I’m looking for large time-gaps in the logs, right? I see none there.
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• 1003[08:17:56] <jmcnaught> goiken: are you using an automatic login feature, or are you talking about the delay until you get a login prompt in lightdm?
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• 1006[08:18:31] <goiken> jmcnaught yes. I set up autologin ages ago. don’t remember where, though ;-)
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• 1009[08:19:24] <jmcnaught> goiken: also check "journalctl --user" then
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• 1011[08:19:57] <goiken> jmcnaught no entries
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• 1017[08:22:15] <jmcnaught> goiken: ~/.local/share/xorg/Xorg.0.log is the new place for Xorg logs in stretch, unless for some reason your still running xorg as root in which case you would check /var/log/Xorg.0.log still
• 1018[08:22:44] <jmcnaught> ^your^you\'re
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• 1020[08:23:17] <goiken> jmcnaught ~/.local/share/xorg/Xorg.0.log doesn’t exist. neither for root nor for my user.
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• 1022[08:24:46] <jmcnaught> goiken: and in /var/log?
• 1023[08:24:54] <goiken> /var/log/Xorg.0.log < looks good. all done in ~ 1.5s
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• 1026[08:25:39] <jmcnaught> goiken: what version of xorg do you have installed? "apt-cache policy xorg"
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• 1029[08:26:17] <goiken> jmcnaught 1:7.7+19
• 1030[08:26:49] <jmcnaught> goiken: okay, maybe lightdm doesn't support running X as non-root user
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• 1036[08:29:02] <jmcnaught> goiken: you can look in /etc/xdg/autostart/ for stuff that might be autostarting, keep in mind that some of those .desktop files have NotShownIn= and OnlyShownIn= directives to prevent their use in some desktops
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• 1038[08:30:41] <goiken> jmcnaught that’s full of stuff. what am I looking for?
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• 1042[08:32:16] <jmcnaught> goiken: look through the stuff that might autostart depending on your DE, see if anything stands out. otherwise i don't know where your DE may or may not log to. If it were GNOME there'd be a bunch of information in the user journal
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• 1045[08:32:51] <goiken> jmcnaught my DE is mate
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• 1048[08:34:11] <freeone> I'm on debian 9
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• 1053[08:40:45] <freeone> I'm in /home/name directory
• 1054[08:40:49] <freeone> its mounted as:
• 1055[08:40:55] <freeone> /dev/sda1 on /home type ext4 (rw,relatime,data=ordered)
• 1056[08:41:01] <freeone> and when I run youtube-dl it says:
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• 1058[08:41:06] <freeone> WARNING: Assuming --restrict-filenames since file system encoding cannot encode all characters. Set the LC_ALL environment variable to fix this
• 1059[08:41:11] <freeone> but when I do:
• 1060[08:41:15] <freeone> export LC_ALL=en_US.UTF-8
• 1061[08:41:21] <freeone> it says:
• 1062[08:41:26] <freeone> bash: warning: setlocale: LC_ALL: cannot change locale (en_US.UTF-8): No such file or directory
• 1063[08:41:30] <freeone> and this is the output of "locale -a"
• 1064[08:41:36] <freeone> replaced-url
• 1065[08:41:41] <freeone> and this is the output of "locale"
• 1066[08:41:46] <freeone> replaced-url
• 1067[08:41:51] <freeone> what to do ?
• 1068[08:42:02] <jmcnaught> freeone: "dpkg-reconfigure locales"
• 1069[08:42:23] <freeone> you sure ?
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• 1072[08:43:23] <jmcnaught> freeone: ? make sure you select all of the locales you want to be generated, and set a default locale
• 1073[08:44:23] <dgriffi> how can I install a 3.x kernel on Stretch?
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• 1079[08:47:25] <freeone> allright, thanks
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• 1086[08:49:07] <julius> hi
• 1087[08:49:13] <julius> why is there no linux-headers-4.8.0-1-amd64 ?
• 1088[08:49:22] <julius> i need to build a virtualbox module for this kernel
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• 1091[08:49:59] <julius> 4.8.0-1-amd64 is my current running kernel
• 1092[08:50:03] <jmcnaught> dgriffi: you could install a kernel from jessie but you'll likely need to use pinning to keep it at that version. Caution if you use systemd some 3.x kernels don't have all of the features required
• 1093[08:50:27] <jmcnaught> ,kernels
• 1094[08:50:28] <judd> Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.11.0-trunk-686 (4.11.3-1~exp1); sid: 4.11.0-1-686 (4.11.6-1); buster: 4.11.0-1-686 (4.11.6-1); stretch: 4.9.0-3-686 (4.9.30-2+deb9u2); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.3-686 (4.9.30-2~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.43-2+deb8u2); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.89-2)
• 1095[08:51:01] <jmcnaught> julius: stretch/stable includes 4.9, why are you on 4.8?
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• 1100[08:53:52] <dgriffi> jmcnaught: I just need it to run long enough to prove or disprove a suspicion about dosemu
• 1101[08:55:08] <dgriffi> jmcnaught: my suspicion is that somewhere between 3.16 and 4.9, something in the kernel broke that dosemu was depending on
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• 1104[08:57:09] <jmcnaught> dgriffi: do it in a throwaway VM then, you don't need to worry about pinning if you're never going to upgrade it
• 1105[08:57:35] <dgriffi> jmcnaught: exactly
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• 1117[09:02:01] <goiken> I think now that it might be the remote hd after all that messes up the boot-times… it seems to mess with the file manager of mate, which waits on it to mount to deliver a desktop. seems to give up though, before it actually mounts
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• 1120[09:02:34] <goiken> so how would I fix sshfs taking >90s to mount something?
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• 1124[09:03:38] <jmcnaught> goiken: how do you have it configured, what starts it?
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• 1126[09:04:06] <goiken> jmcnaught fstab starts it
• 1127[09:04:31] <goiken> sshfs#goiken@bananapi.localdomain:/media/data /media/goiken/bananadata fuse user,allow_other,_netdev 0 0
• 1128[09:05:29] <goiken> once it’s mounted, it works like a charm. no noticable delays…
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• 1133[09:07:15] <jmcnaught> goiken: i don't know what caja(?) might be waiting for, but what happens if you add "noauto" to the line in fstab? Will caja open it on demand?
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• 1139[09:11:18] <goiken> jmanfatty noauto seems to fix the boot at least. but having it mounted automatically was kind of the point of adding it to fstab ;-)
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• 1141[09:11:41] <jmcnaught> goiken: caja does not automount it when you navigate to it?
• 1142[09:11:51] <goiken> jmcnaught it does.
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• 1144[09:12:11] <goiken> I guess that’s good enough, too.
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• 1146[09:13:12] <jmcnaught> goiken: i don't use sshfs but you could look for it in the logs, maybe it's timing on on something you can easily fix
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• 1152[09:18:44] <goiken> jmcnaught nah… I guess I’m happy enough now. thx though.
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• 1156[09:20:01] <jmcnaught> goiken: you're welcome ☺
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• 1218[09:57:38] <hexhaxtron> Can someone help me configure dovecot and postfix? I've tried many things and I simply can't make it work...
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• 1225[10:00:58] <jmcnaught> hexhaxtron: you can ask about specific issues you're having. is this your first time setting up a mail server?
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• 1244[10:09:46] <hexhaxtron> jmcnaught: yes, it's my first time.
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• 1248[10:10:38] <jmcnaught> hexhaxtron: mail is pretty tough, there are a lot of parts you need to configure properly if you want your messages to be accepted by other mail servers, especially ones for major services like gmail and outlook
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• 1251[10:11:13] <hexhaxtron> jmcnaught: can you help me with all that?
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• 1254[10:12:38] <FinalX> I know this sounds harsh, but if you don't know how mail works and don't know how to set up mailserver software, you probably shouldn't be running it or you won't be able to do what needs doing to maintain a proper mailserver.. with all consequences following it.
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• 1257[10:13:18] <jmcnaught> hexhaxtron: the best thing i can do is recommend that you don't plan on having a mail server running today. Read as much as you can about SMTP, and your MTA, and the documentation for all of the other tools that you use.
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• 1259[10:13:35] <FinalX> I'd first start learning the protocol and set up a receiving server (postfix) that's firewalled off, and go step by step. Dovecot to read the mail would be last.
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• 1263[10:15:01] <jmcnaught> hexhaxtron: if you want to set up a mail server because you find it interesting and want to learn the skill, then go for it, just be prepared to learn quite a bit before your server is operational. If you just need mail services, consider getting it from a mail provider, even a shared hosting account is better than a poorly configured mail server that ends up on blacklists
• 1264[10:15:28] <KMGTB> Hey guys, i have set up a small network with a debian server with two network cards. eth0 is the connection to the fritzbox (internet) and the other card is the connection to a small network of clients. On the debian server runs a DNS and a DHCP server. Now i want to setup a gateway on the debian server to give the clients the possebility to surf o
• 1265[10:15:28] <KMGTB> n the internt
• 1266[10:15:56] <KMGTB> I tried some howtos but it didn't work.
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• 1271[10:16:56] <KMGTB> Does anyone of you a good guide to setup the gateway?
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• 1273[10:17:10] <KMGTB> *know
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• 1275[10:17:30] <shtrb> KMGTB , what dhcp server ?
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• 1277[10:17:35] <shtrb> isc-dhcp-server ?
• 1278[10:17:41] <KMGTB> yes
• 1279[10:18:06] <shtrb> just add gateway in the router list (and remember the firewall )
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• 1281[10:18:40] <KMGTB> you mean dhcpd.conf?
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• 1283[10:19:42] <shtrb> sorry , "option routers frizbox"
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• 1285[10:19:57] <shtrb> replaced-url
• 1286[10:22:28] <shtrb> *don't forget to allow the traffic (you can use NAT , you can use a bridge etc)
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• 1289[10:23:38] <KMGTB> I think NAT is the thing i have to set up.
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• 1298[10:28:11] <shtrb> something like that replaced-url
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• 1300[10:28:47] <shtrb> KMGTB , but don't even think about running that without understanding or checking it
• 1301[10:29:20] <KMGTB> yes, thank you
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• 1354[11:02:21] <plutto> does anyone have any methods of hacking gmail account?
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• 1356[11:02:40] <Ke> yes
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• 1358[11:02:45] <Ke> that's offtopic!
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• 1360[11:03:11] <BenNZ> plutto: best place to ask is at your local law enforcement agency , they will provide you with all the help you need
• 1361[11:03:15] <tcp_j> Hi, any expert on python packaging in stretch? i have some troubles with upgrading to stretch
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• 1363[11:03:38] <Ke> tcp_j: just ask
• 1364[11:04:14] <tcp_j> I have dh-python, py3dist-overrides, but i cannot get packages from py3dist-overrides installed
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• 1366[11:04:37] <tcp_j> i have {$python3:Depends} in control file
• 1367[11:05:14] <tcp_j> everything works on jessie, but not on stretch
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• 1377[11:10:46] <Leoneof> hi, is it possible to fix grub by using/booting netinstall?
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• 1382[11:11:50] <tsarompy> :y
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• 1386[11:14:13] <tsarompy> hai Madda
• 1387[11:14:29] <Madda> hi
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• 1410[11:25:43] <shtrb> Did anyone here aware of any issues with system 233-10 ? (I know it's in sid but still )
• 1411[11:26:16] <petn-randall> !tell shtrb -about ask
• 1412[11:26:39] <shtrb> I wish to be sure if I should avoid it or not for now
• 1413[11:26:44] <tsarompy> im on testing and i have a kernel hiccup at boot but nothin major
• 1414[11:26:47] <tsarompy> cant speak for sid tho
• 1415[11:27:01] <towo^work> no problems in sid on my side
• 1416[11:27:20] <petn-randall> shtrb: There's probably a dozen issues a day being open and closed in systemd. You have to be a tad more specific.
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• 1418[11:28:13] <shtrb> I'm talking about the debian package (change) 233-10 not upstream (if there any special issues that can be more smelly than usual)
• 1419[11:28:53] <petn-randall> shtrb: If you want to find out, have a look in the bug tracker.
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• 1425[11:31:48] <shtrb> petn-randall , that was the idea to ask here if someone was hit by something or is aware of something (#debian sometimes have better track than the bug tracker)
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• 1428[11:32:50] <shtrb> thanks you towo^work and tsarompy
• 1429[11:32:57] <petn-randall> shtrb: I'd ask in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net, you'll have a lot more testing/sid users over there.
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• 1431[11:33:54] <tsarompy> :*
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• 1434[11:35:19] <L3gacy> taco taco nacho burrito
• 1435[11:35:26] <L3gacy> Never computer while hungry
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• 1446[11:40:34] <jask_> hi, I have strange problem, which is driving me almost crazy, in my work I use many remote virtual machines so I use agent forwarding a lot, yet on one jessie machine ssh client refuses to use my forwarded agent and searches for keys localy, I have this problem only on this one jessie remote, others work as expected
• 1447[11:41:27] <jask_> jask@jessie-jask:~$ echo "$SSH_AUTH_SOCK"
• 1448[11:41:27] <jask_> /tmp/ssh-5upvlAkLpT/agent.496
• 1449[11:41:27] <jask_> jask@jessie-jask:~$ ls -l /tmp/ssh-5upvlAkLpT/agent.496
• 1450[11:41:27] <jask_> srwxr-xr-x 1 jask jask 0 čec 11 11:34 /tmp/ssh-5upvlAkLpT/agent.496
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• 1452[11:41:59] <jask_> jask@jessie-jask:~$ ssh wheezy-jask.dev
• 1453[11:41:59] <jask_> Host key verification failed.
• 1454[11:41:59] <jask_> jask@jessie-jask:~$ ssh wheezy-jask.dev -v
• 1455[11:41:59] <jask_> OpenSSH_6.7p1 Debian-5+deb8u3, OpenSSL 1.0.2l 25 May 2017
• 1456[11:41:59] <jask_> debug1: Reading configuration data /etc/ssh/ssh_config
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• 1458[11:42:06] <petn-randall> !paste
• 1459[11:42:06] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: replaced-url
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• 1476[11:47:14] <superlinux> I need help in NUT (Network UPS Tools) . which channel it is here?
• 1477[11:47:26] <shtrb> It depend if try here
• 1478[11:47:50] <julius> jmcnaught: had trouble booting with newer kernel versions...somehow the encrypted lvm wasnt detected
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• 1481[11:48:00] <superlinux> do any of you here in #debian know anything in NUT?
• 1482[11:48:00] <shtrb> I do have encrypted LVM
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• 1484[11:48:12] <shtrb> I *used* it
• 1485[11:48:35] <shtrb> thanks for the hint
• 1486[11:48:37] <julius> jmcnaught: so is there no way to get kernel heades for 4.8.0 anymore?
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• 1488[11:49:20] <shtrb> julius , was the encrypted lvm issue an answer to my question
• 1489[11:49:26] <shtrb> superlinux , I used it
• 1490[11:49:45] <julius> shtrb: no....i started with jmcnaught...
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• 1492[11:50:30] <shtrb> if it doesn't start on boot or does not recognize the device, it is probably systemd being nasty you need to manually start nut-driver before the server
• 1493[11:50:43] <shtrb> superlinux ^
• 1494[11:50:58] <superlinux> shtrb, aha ok great. so my question is simple. in /etc/nut/upsd.conf how can I make the LISTEN setting be "listen to all interfaces available" ?
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• 1496[11:52:17] <superlinux> or "listen to all addresses"
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• 1500[11:53:07] <shtrb> I think you can try "LISTEN 0.0.0.0 3493"
• 1501[11:53:11] <shtrb> but that is not a good idea
• 1502[11:53:27] <superlinux> well it's local internal in-home
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• 1504[11:53:43] <superlinux> so security is not a problem here
• 1505[11:53:56] <shtrb> superlinux , I have seen routers that exposed your internet network to "support"
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• 1507[11:54:05] <shtrb> *ISP provided ones
• 1508[11:55:04] <shtrb> the letter S in IOT stand for security , you may have many IOT devices at home ...
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• 1510[11:56:04] <superlinux> shtrb, I mean I am behind NAT.. nothing can be routed without portforwarding
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• 1513[11:56:44] <shtrb> superlinux , some ISP provided routers give access to your internal network without you knowing about it
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• 1515[11:57:03] <shtrb> that is how they can "assit" you with your local network or wifi without you giveing them p/f
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• 1517[11:57:44] <superlinux> shtrb, I will revise the configs of the routers but I think I disabled it.
• 1518[11:57:54] <shtrb> you can't
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• 1521[11:58:16] <superlinux> yes I can.
• 1522[11:59:10] <shtrb> I'm telling you as ex-techsupport person , you do not have access to that configs , it's blocked , and unless you used a different firmware you can't block that
• 1523[11:59:18] <shtrb> *as an a
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• 1530[12:00:11] <teraflops> ISP having access to the internal client lan looks barely legal
• 1531[12:00:26] <shtrb> it's somewhere in the contract , and it is a "feature"
• 1532[12:00:48] <shtrb> idiotic , a security nightmare but they sell that service
• 1533[12:01:04] <shtrb> and that is even before the TR-069 and auto flashing firmwares
• 1534[12:01:07] <teraflops> at least here I don't think such feature exists
• 1535[12:01:18] <teraflops> shtrb: that's different
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• 1537[12:01:37] <shtrb> but even if you didn't buy that feature it is default installed
• 1538[12:02:03] <shtrb> teraflops , not all ISPs , some do and some don't
• 1539[12:02:52] <teraflops> np.
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• 1601[12:39:22] <BluesKaj> 'Morning all
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• 1625[12:50:42] <Cl0udN9ne> what browsers aare there in stretch?
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• 1628[12:51:09] <Cl0udN9ne> ,v midori
• 1629[12:51:10] <judd> Package: midori on amd64 -- wheezy: 0.4.3+dfsg-0.1; jessie-backports: 0.5.11-ds1-2~bpo8+1; stretch: 0.5.11-ds1-4+b1
• 1630[12:51:35] <Cl0udN9ne> i cant think of anything else
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• 1632[12:52:28] <metax> pomidori
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• 1643[12:55:21] <ksk> Hey. Can you recommend a software to provide a "backup your windows client" thingy? I know I could start by setting up samba, and then add this and that, but is there maybe a more full-stack application for this approach? thanks! (Does not have to be SMB)
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• 1648[12:57:19] <Ke> Cl0udN9ne: chromium, konqueror, firefox, epiphany, dillo, *links, w3m...
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• 1652[12:59:34] <loeken> Cl0udN9ne, ice weasel?
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• 1654[12:59:56] <Cl0udN9ne> ok
• 1655[12:59:58] <Ke> iceweasel is only an alias to firefox anymore
• 1656[13:00:05] <loeken> ,v iceweasel
• 1657[13:00:06] <judd> Package: iceweasel on amd64 -- wheezy: 38.8.0esr-1~deb7u1; wheezy-security: 38.8.0esr-1~deb7u1; jessie-security: 38.8.0esr-1~deb8u1; jessie: 45.9.0esr-1~deb8u1; jessie-security: 45.9.0esr-1~deb8u1; sid: 45.9.0esr-1; stretch: 45.9.0esr-1; jessie-backports/firefox-release: 52.1.0esr-1~bpo80+1; wheezy-security: 52.2.0esr-1~deb7u1; jessie-security: 52.2.0esr-1~deb8u1; stretch-
• 1658[13:00:07] <judd> security: 52.2.0esr-1~deb9u1; sid: 52.2.0esr-2; buster: 52.2.0esr-2
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• 1660[13:00:17] <loeken> neat
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• 1664[13:01:57] <JSR-89> Anybody reads me?
• 1665[13:02:27] <voidie> no.
• 1666[13:02:35] <voidie> I read her
• 1667[13:02:45] <JSR-89> Oh, that's a problem so.
• 1668[13:02:48] * voidie starts leaning back of enjoyment.
• 1669[13:03:08] <voidie> have you ever tought, that you and her are not the same?
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• 1671[13:03:17] <JSR-89> I should format my disk and reinstall Debian.
• 1672[13:03:31] <voidie> if you can't handle dual boot yes
• 1673[13:03:53] <JSR-89> Thanks for the information BTW
• 1674[13:03:57] <JSR-89> lol
• 1675[13:04:16] <voidie> topkek
• 1676[13:04:23] <voidie> np
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• 1678[13:04:34] <voidie> i do whatever i can to help myself
• 1679[13:04:38] <voidie> im so selfish
• 1680[13:04:40] <voidie> kekek
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• 1684[13:05:46] <JSR-89> What is "topkek"?
• 1685[13:06:15] <voidie> i once met a hacker
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• 1688[13:06:35] <voidie> kek = lel
• 1689[13:06:37] <voidie> lel = lol
• 1690[13:06:59] <JSR-89> oh ok
• 1691[13:07:04] <voidie> my understanding is limited, because i like bounderies
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• 1700[13:07:52] <metax> top prek
• 1701[13:08:13] <jelly> !offtopic
• 1702[13:08:13] <dpkg> #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day.
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• 1704[13:09:39] <forcerecon> when I do an nmap scan of my local network I have noticed that there are some open ports..
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• 1712[13:14:39] <herebro> 5275190012302499|04|2021|370|UNITED STATES|Julian|Thomas|231 malone circle|Fairburn||30213| VALID
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• 1714[13:14:50] <herebro> no need to thank me, thank to allah
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• 1716[13:14:55] <bazhang> !ops | herebro
• 1717[13:14:55] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: bazhang complains about: | herebro
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• 1724[13:17:26] <rotanid> Hello everyone. do you know why deb.debian.org doesn't work with https for backports, but does without (and with for the other sources.list entries) ?
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• 1726[13:17:55] <rotanid> i just get "size of file ... is not what the server reported" for this one part of the repo
• 1727[13:19:44] <rotanid> crap, works with stretch, but not with jessie :D
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• 1729[13:19:50] <forcerecon> why is port 2601 open for zebra?
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• 1731[13:20:20] <jelly> what is zebra?
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• 1733[13:20:39] <jelly> rotanid, https is not supported for most mirrors
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• 1735[13:21:54] <rotanid> jelly: well it works with jessie, so it looks like bug #802617
• 1736[13:21:55] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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• 1746[13:25:55] <forcerecon> jelly: hey there.. exactly.. Zebra is a software program which handles BGP routing. It is not “malicious” by itself, though BGP routing can be fed ‘bad’ (incorrectly-formed) data to make the computer do unexpected things
• 1747[13:26:03] <forcerecon> 2601/tcp open zebra syn-ack
• 1748[13:26:20] <uwe> greetings, got a not-sure-this-works question, I want to setup multiple web servers (yes, I know I can supposidely utilize VirtualHosts) on the same machine, I can do this by copying the config directory and the startup scripts, but I was wondering if there is a cleaner way to do it via apt/dpkg and --prefix or similar, also without resorting to virtualization or containers ...
• 1749[13:26:22] <rotanid> jelly: i was wrong... i meant "works with stretch" (ans also works with jessie-updates - but not jessie-backports)
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• 1752[13:27:10] <forcerecon> I am also getting confirmation from shields! Up that port 80 and 81 are open.. however, my router has all ports closed and I am not running apache..
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• 1754[13:28:43] <rotanid> forcerecon: have you also tried nmap from inside the same network, not with a router in between?
• 1755[13:29:10] <jelly> forcerecon, did you look at its documentation to see whether this is perfectly normal for this software?
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• 1760[13:31:00] <forcerecon> rotanid: not sure what that would accomplish
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• 1762[13:31:22] <rotanid> the router might be intercepting some ports
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• 1764[13:32:01] <forcerecon> jelly: I am not running zebra or anything on this machine for that manner.. this is defaultish install of debian 9 with a few apps installed.. Just not sure why port 80 and 81 are showing open
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• 1766[13:32:10] <forcerecon> and I thought zebra was discontinued in linux but it is still listed on that port when doing an nmap to the router -vv
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• 1768[13:32:52] <rotanid> what does lsof -i -n -P | egrep "2061|80|81" say?
• 1769[13:33:02] <forcerecon> and I do not have remote access to my router on or even port forwarding
• 1770[13:33:04] <rotanid> as i already wrote, maybe the ports arent open
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• 1772[13:33:05] <forcerecon> it is all disabled
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• 1774[13:33:37] <rotanid> i often saw this issue with other ports showing up as open, but that was some router/firewall in between not the destination machine
• 1775[13:34:03] <forcerecon> if it was not OPEN why would online port scanner show it as open
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• 1779[13:34:29] <rotanid> well, if you dont want to read what im writing, good bye.
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• 1783[13:36:08] <BluesKaj> oh my , an easily bruised ego there
• 1784[13:37:21] <forcerecon> can anyone else do a nmap to their router and just verify for me if yours all show the same information nmap 192.168.x.x or whatever -vv
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• 1787[13:39:24] <jelly> forcerecon, does the router run debian or what?
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• 1789[13:40:10] <forcerecon> no.. its just a standard ac wireless modem from xfinity
• 1790[13:40:25] <jelly> ok. Why are you asking about it in here then
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• 1792[13:41:14] <jelly> there's a perfectly nice ##networking channel if you have a networking issue
• 1793[13:41:14] <forcerecon> now I do realize that the router would be running an web interface internally so you can access it. but https remote access has been turned off on the router, yet it still shows port 80 and 81 as being open when doing a remote port scan
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• 1795[13:42:11] <forcerecon> jelly: before I went there I just wanted to see if this was something internal to debian. I was checking to see if everyone else has these same open ports
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• 1799[13:43:06] <jelly> eh, ports open on your vendor hardware are a debian issue, unless you're running debian on that as well
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• 1801[13:43:15] <jelly> are not* a debian issue
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• 1803[13:43:48] <jelly> if I'm accessing my IOT fridge from debian and seeing open ports, it will still not be a debian issue
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• 1808[13:45:19] <forcerecon> jelly: understood.. just not sure why someone just cant run a simple command and let me know if they see the same ports open on their debian 9 machine. it takes less than 10 seconds, way more time then all this typing we are doing..
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• 1811[13:46:15] <forcerecon> *less
• 1812[13:46:19] <jelly> mostly because they're noe at the computer, and also becuase that request does not make sense at all
• 1813[13:46:34] <bazhang> forcerecon, joining ##networking takes two seconds
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• 1815[13:46:44] <BluesKaj> forcerecon, sudo route -n
• 1816[13:47:26] <jelly> forcerecon, far as I could tell, you're not looking for ports open on the debian machine itself, but on the router
• 1817[13:48:29] <boxrick1> Heres a random question about good practise. I have a binary which is fully self contained. Would it be better for me to extract it into /opt/APPNAME/BINARY and symbolic link to somewhere like /usr/bin or would it be absolutely fine to just dump the binary in /usr/bin/BINARY directly?
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• 1820[13:49:10] <jelly> forcerecon, and nmap is an old tool, widely used, not likely to be broken on every debian 9 and noone noticing
• 1821[13:49:11] <bazhang> boxrick1, whats the app
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• 1824[13:49:31] <boxrick1> Well in general, in this particular instance its hashicorp vault
• 1825[13:49:39] <jmcnaught> boxrick1: /usr/bin is for packages only, you can put it in /usr/local/bin, or somewhere in /opt is fine too
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• 1827[13:49:52] <boxrick1> Ok fair enough
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• 1832[13:51:17] <boxrick1> So I will stick it directly in /usr/local/bin and the PATH is already set so I am good to go
• 1833[13:51:20] <forcerecon> I think nmap is just scanning the network and reporting back information from a targeted host on the entire local network.. I am trying to understand if the information that is being sent back is just from the router or what it has found on the network.. I will head over to networking shortly.. thanks
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• 1838[13:52:55] <Parrhesiastes> how can i grep "string" from a zip-archive, eithe all files in the archive or a speficif one, whatevers possible
• 1839[13:52:58] <Parrhesiastes> (have over 300 files i have to do this with)
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• 1841[13:53:45] <Ben64> not sure if anything like that exists for zip
• 1842[13:54:06] <abrotman> Parrhesiastes: which kind of zip? gzip or pkzip?
• 1843[13:54:15] <Parrhesiastes> zip/maff
• 1844[13:54:36] <Parrhesiastes> have to get the urls, and save as mhtml instead :P
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• 1846[13:55:01] <abrotman> I mean, you could extract them to stdout and grep that way ..
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• 1851[13:56:54] <Parrhesiastes> i can? because its an archive, not just one file
• 1852[13:57:28] <abrotman> try it and see.
• 1853[13:57:40] <Parrhesiastes> how?
• 1854[13:57:43] <abrotman> you're just looking to see if the zip file holds it, not which file in the zip?
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• 1856[13:58:17] <Parrhesiastes> i dont need to know which file, just the line with string like "Soruce from"
• 1857[13:58:40] <abrotman> man unzip, there are a few options that might help you
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• 1865[14:03:14] <Parrhesiastes> 'unzip -c file.maff */index.rdf' did the trick :]
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• 1869[14:05:24] <k_sze> I just noticed that there's a new intel-microcode update.
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• 1873[14:06:07] <k_sze> How is 3.20170707.1 different from the earlier 3.20170511.1?
• 1874[14:06:19] <k_sze> with regards to the SK150, etc. HyperThreading bug.
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• 1876[14:06:22] <jelly> k_sze, aptitude changelog packagename
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• 1878[14:06:40] <k_sze> jelly: I'm reading replaced-url
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• 1880[14:07:13] <k_sze> but it's not immediately obvious what the change w.r.t to SK150 is.
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• 1883[14:08:17] <k_sze> The previous version had a "likely" fix, and it only mentioned SK150 (although from reading mailing list discussions, I got the impression that it fixed the whole family of errata, at least for Skylake).
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• 1886[14:08:51] <petn-randall> k_sze: Since the firmware is non-free, the maintainer is just passing along what they get fed from Intel.
• 1887[14:09:03] <jelly> ^^
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• 1889[14:09:38] <forcerecon> I just did a remote port scan from a windows machine behind the same router and no ports are open.. only from the debian 9 machine..
• 1890[14:09:39] <forcerecon> just a fyi
• 1891[14:10:29] <petn-randall> forcerecon: How is that a FYI?
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• 1893[14:11:05] <jelly> petn-randall, it's a still offtopic fyi
• 1894[14:11:41] * petn-randall reads backlog.
• 1895[14:11:41] <forcerecon> really.. that means that this one machine is stating information that another machine on the same network is not showing.. kinda weeds out the fact that the router is the issue no?
• 1896[14:12:01] <jelly> !ask
• 1897[14:12:01] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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• 1899[14:13:14] <jelly> forcerecon, if you use the exact same tool and the exact same options, using the same lack of local firewall, then you can maybe draw a conclusion
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• 1908[14:16:16] <shtrb> hi forcereecon
• 1909[14:16:22] <shtrb> and no , it does not rule out
• 1910[14:17:00] <shtrb> I think you had a faulty port once, so everything is possible
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• 1913[14:21:27] <shtrb> forcerecon , and it is not clear if they are connected in the same way (wifi vs network ) , and many windows machine now have auto block all during a scan
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• 1921[14:28:07] <Aebian> 'find / grep <searchTerm>' is there a better way to find something if locate is not available?
• 1922[14:28:19] <Aebian> *find / |grep xy
• 1923[14:28:27] <shtrb> grep xy -rn /
• 1924[14:28:36] <tw> find / -iname '*xy*'
• 1925[14:28:40] <tw> or -name
• 1926[14:28:41] <El_Presidente> I am curious, since stretch is now released, I assume we are "stuck" with apache 2.4.25 right? we will not see any upgraded versions like 2.4.10 for jessie?
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• 1928[14:29:02] <petn-randall> Aebian: You can install ack (or ack-grep), which does it smarter.
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• 1931[14:29:28] <Aebian> iname okay thanks tw
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• 1933[14:29:59] <Aebian> petn-randall: I can't on this system so I asked for a better way with find or shipped debian pkgs ^^
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• 1939[14:33:09] <petn-randall> Aebian: ack is shipped in Debian.
• 1940[14:33:11] <gabriel_sh> hi
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• 1942[14:33:47] <gabriel_sh> I have a problem with apt-get / aptitude. I changed "jessie" to "testing" in my apt/sources.list but when i run apt-get update nothing happens
• 1943[14:34:03] <petn-randall> !bat
• 1944[14:34:03] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
• 1945[14:34:19] <petn-randall> gabriel_sh: I'm pretty sure *something* happens.
• 1946[14:34:20] <gabriel_sh> it download some k of packages and when i run upgrade it says no packet to update
• 1947[14:34:20] <petn-randall> !ask
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• 1949[14:34:20] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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• 1954[14:36:22] <gabriel_sh> apt-get update run: replaced-url
• 1955[14:36:46] <g0zzy> Is it just me or has Thunderbird gone right off? Crashes more and more and junk filter prevention doesn't even work. Please suggest some alternative! What about Evolution?
• 1956[14:36:59] <gabriel_sh> apt-cache policy replaced-url
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• 1958[14:37:37] <towo^work> gabriel_sh, and what you expect from apt-get update?
• 1959[14:37:51] <towo^work> gabriel_sh, your paste looks exact, what it should
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• 1962[14:38:17] <gabriel_sh> I just changed "Jessie" to "Testing" i expect to have a massive update
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• 1964[14:38:33] <towo^work> gabriel_sh, you know, what apt-get update is doing?
• 1965[14:38:37] <gabriel_sh> yeah
• 1966[14:38:40] <petn-randall> gabriel_sh: I don't recommend upgrading to testing, since it's only been a few weeks since the release, and there are a ton of library migrations pending.
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• 1968[14:38:56] <towo^work> gabriel_sh, no, you don't
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• 1971[14:39:12] <petn-randall> gabriel_sh: And we kind of expect people how to use the standard Debian tools before upgrading, so there's less pain involved for everyone.
• 1972[14:39:22] <gabriel_sh> apt-get is updating the list of packages, isn't it?
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• 1974[14:39:35] <gabriel_sh> which kind of standard debian tools?
• 1975[14:40:30] <dury> hi there again guys and all channel :-)
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• 1979[14:40:49] <gabriel_sh> I'm running debian testing on another laptop right now, and I need the same version of unison on both
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• 1981[14:41:17] <dury> Temkawwa, is not today or what?
• 1982[14:41:32] <dury> sorry Tenkawa
• 1983[14:41:55] <petn-randall> gabriel_sh: But *why* are you running testing? It's essentially an untested, not release-ready suite.
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• 1985[14:42:23] <gabriel_sh> I normally use testing because I'm a developer and I need updated softwares
• 1986[14:42:23] <dury> still fighting with xscreensaver to launch automatically
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• 1990[14:43:20] <petn-randall> gabriel_sh: If you need updated software, there's stable-backports.
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• 1992[14:43:55] <petn-randall> gabriel_sh: testing breaks regularly, and that's completely expected. And it gets no security support.
• 1993[14:43:55] <gabriel_sh> I've used testing in the last 4 years, dunno why i should stop using it
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• 1995[14:44:06] <dury> I figure out that when I type this command "xscreensaver-command -activate" it launches and I
• 1996[14:44:09] <petn-randall> gabriel_sh: Because you don't know what 'apt-get update' does??
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• 1999[14:44:28] <petn-randall> And you apparently haven't found the man pages yet.
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• 2001[14:44:51] <gabriel_sh> yes I do, It download the updated list of packages from the debian mirror, then i can upgrade the packages with apt-get upgrade
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• 2004[14:45:09] <mint> hi
• 2005[14:45:27] <dury> ... and I leave it for a while a gnome message come out saying "lock was blocked by an application"
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• 2007[14:45:45] <mint> debian lxde has tools for wireless or need from wicd
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• 2009[14:45:53] <mint> lease
• 2010[14:46:35] <armin> replaced-url
• 2011[14:46:51] <petn-randall> gabriel_sh: It looks like you've pinned testing to -10. See 'man apt_preferences.
• 2012[14:46:57] <dury> ... and I leave it for a while move the mouse and a gnome message lock was blocked by an application
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• 2015[14:47:17] <dury> sorry to repeat it
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• 2017[14:47:59] <gabriel_sh> petn-randall: yes! thanks a lot, I did it many months ago and now i totally forgot about it
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• 2019[14:48:03] <dury> can anyone assist me please
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• 2021[14:48:30] <dury> lock was blocked by an application why that message?
• 2022[14:48:42] <shtrb> armin , check your theme packages and replaced-url
• 2023[14:48:42] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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• 2025[14:50:19] <gabriel_sh> thanks everyone
• 2026[14:50:20] <gabriel_sh> bye
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• 2028[14:50:23] <petn-randall> gabriel_sh: Now that I read your messages closer, you actually *did* run 'apt-get upgrade' (though it wasn't in the paste). Sorry if I implied that you didn't know the difference.
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• 2040[14:55:34] <dury> did anyone install proper xscreensaver under gnome
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• 2049[14:58:48] <dury> grey_, can you assist?
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• 2055[14:59:20] <dury> lock was blocked by an application
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• 2057[14:59:55] <dury> is that message normal?
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• 2073[15:07:36] <forcerecon> you know when I watch you people talk to one another I actually laugh a bit.. the responses are so obviously arrogant yet informative at the same time..
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• 2076[15:08:05] <Mr_Nodekit> hello
• 2077[15:09:06] <dury> forcerecon can you assist me
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• 2095[15:14:03] <petn-randall> !tell dury -abouto ask
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• 2103[15:16:00] <dury> petn-randall, sorry... what's that?
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• 2106[15:16:21] <petn-randall> !ask
• 2107[15:16:21] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
• 2108[15:16:24] <petn-randall> dury: ^^^
• 2109[15:16:59] <dury> petn-randall, sorry
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• 2118[15:18:45] <petn-randall> dury: What OS release are you running?
• 2119[15:18:46] <forcerecon> dury: I am not familiar with the screensaver under gnome.. I am sorry I cannot help on this issue..
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• 2121[15:20:01] <dury> petn-randall, foreceron thanks for answer me really appreciate
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• 2123[15:20:29] <dury> petn-randall, stretch
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• 2126[15:20:41] <Silmaril> dury: gnome has his own way of locking the machine, you should't use xscreensaver
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• 2129[15:21:25] <petn-randall> dury: I'm guessing the same as Silmaril, if you got several screenlockers running they'll step on each other's feet, so to say.
• 2130[15:21:45] <dury> Silmaril, xscreensaver is more enjoyable and pretty
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• 2135[15:22:54] <Silmaril> pretty ? hum we don't have the same definition XD
• 2136[15:23:06] <petn-randall> dury: Then you'll have to find a way to deactivate the gnome-screensaver.
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• 2138[15:23:14] <dury> petn-randall, how do I know If I have several screenlockers running
• 2139[15:23:25] <Silmaril> and by the way a screensaver is here to 'save' the screen, no to be pretty
• 2140[15:23:29] <petn-randall> dury: Easiest way is to uninstall it, other options are killing the process and removing it from autostart.
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• 2142[15:24:14] <petn-randall> Silmaril: Same here, but other people prefer it to run pretty things. And that's what xscreensaver can also do. Each to their own.
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• 2145[15:24:39] <dury> petn-randall, how d
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• 2149[15:25:42] <Silmaril> dury: in anyway it's a question for goole
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• 2151[15:25:56] <Silmaril> and the first answser to gnome 3 xscreensaver is ... replaced-url
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• 2159[15:26:42] <dury> petn-randall, apt remove gnome-screensaver
• 2160[15:26:42] <dury> Reading package lists... Done
• 2161[15:26:43] <dury> Building dependency tree
• 2162[15:26:43] <dury> Reading state information... Done
• 2163[15:26:43] <dury> Package 'gnome-screensaver' is not installed, so not removed
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• 2169[15:28:00] <dury> sorry to paste that
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• 2184[15:32:30] <lightshadow> hi
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• 2193[15:36:24] <forcerecon> does system monitor ever show any resources? when I open it all I get is 0% for all cpu
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• 2220[15:48:29] <forcerecon> top works pretty well..
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• 2223[15:48:59] <tremolo> I run Debian. Everything works pretty well.
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• 2225[15:49:14] <g0zzy> Is it just me or has Thunderbird gone right off? Crashes more and more and junk filter prevention doesn't even work. Please suggest some alternative! What about Evolution?
• 2226[15:49:46] <Silmaril> it is just you
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• 2228[15:50:10] <g0zzy> I don't believe you ;)
• 2229[15:50:12] <Silmaril> the learning spam filter work pretty well, after he has been thaugh
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• 2231[15:50:42] <g0zzy> Ah - what i mean is a filter that says - don't treat X as junk
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• 2235[15:51:49] <g0zzy> Filter before junk classification|Set Junk status to:Not Junk
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• 2244[15:54:30] <timeless> has anyone else hit this? replaced-url
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• 2248[15:55:33] <tw> Is there a jenkins package in one of the debian repositories or do I need to add an external repository to install it? I can't find one that contains jenkins.war
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• 2250[15:56:18] <timeless> i personally use 500 replaced-url
• 2251[15:56:21] <petn-randall> forcerecon: c'mon, you've already been in this channel for a while, and you know the etiquette. Try asking sensible questions. What system monitor? That term applies to many pieces of software, including 'top' that you mentioned. Also, what do you see? What do expect instead? We don't know any of that.
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• 2253[15:56:58] <g0zzy> If the containment were the other way around, you could have a war of jenkins ear
• 2254[15:57:12] <tremolo> What is lesspipe.sh?
• 2255[15:57:17] <timeless> tw: replaced-url
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• 2258[15:57:32] <timeless> tremolo: it's a magical thing that interacts w/ less
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• 2260[15:57:39] <timeless> some of my systems "just have it"
• 2261[15:57:44] <tw> tremolo: a magic prefilter less calls to make binary/non-text formats look pretty.
• 2262[15:57:45] <tremolo> I have /usr/bin/lesspipe, which is a symlink to /bin/lesspipe, but no lesspipe.sh
• 2263[15:57:46] <timeless> i have no idea where it came from.
• 2264[15:57:52] <petn-randall> tremolo: Where did you find it?
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• 2267[15:58:23] <tremolo> petn-randall: timeless mentioned it
• 2268[15:58:24] <timeless> i.e. dpkg -S doesn't indicate anything owns it
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• 2270[15:58:26] <forcerecon> petn-randall: loud and clear.. system monitor is a gui system monitor installed by default in debian 9. Its under administration.. just making mention that it never shows any cpu utilization on the first tab
• 2271[15:58:39] <timeless> which is weird, because i certainly wouldn't have installed it on my own
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• 2277[15:59:51] <tremolo> My lesspipe was part of the less package.
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• 2283[16:01:47] <timeless> replaced-url
• 2284[16:02:02] <timeless> the lesspipe.sh that you can /sorta/ see there more or less matches the lesspipe.sh i have
• 2285[16:02:06] <Silmaril> timeless: lesspipe is part of less package
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• 2289[16:02:28] <timeless> Silmaril: that's `/bin/lesspipe`, right?
• 2290[16:02:37] <timeless> i'm asking about `/usr/bin/lesspipe.sh`
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• 2292[16:02:49] <timeless> something gave me a file that looks very much like: replaced-url
• 2293[16:02:51] <Silmaril> compatibility alias
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• 2295[16:03:13] <Silmaril> or trace of an old package maybe
• 2296[16:03:21] <timeless> that's more likely
• 2297[16:03:27] <timeless> it's from a `pre-dash` time
• 2298[16:03:36] <timeless> since it assumes that /bin/sh = bash and uses bashisms
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• 2300[16:04:10] <timeless> i wish i could figure out what provided it. it's on quite a few of my systems and i've not (until now) spent the time hunting down its origins
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• 2305[16:05:07] <edfox> Hello, i'm having some issues with moving my debian install (on HDD) to an ssd
• 2306[16:05:12] <Silmaril> you don't have an automation system (chef,puppet,ansible,...) that may have put it here
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• 2308[16:05:26] <timeless> oh!
• 2309[16:05:33] <timeless> actually, i think i know what happened
• 2310[16:05:38] <Silmaril> i don't really recall a time where debian's version used that name
• 2311[16:05:41] <timeless> since this is a debian system in lxc
• 2312[16:05:47] <timeless> but the host is rhel
• 2313[16:06:06] <timeless> the LESSPIPE env var is set in the host and inherited when I use `lxc-attach`
• 2314[16:06:19] <edfox> I have two partitions, both XFS. One is / and the other one is /boot. I cloned the two partitions to the ssd using xfsdump and xfsrestore, then i installed grub using grub-install on the ssd mbr but the system keeps booting to the old system on hdd even though i select the ssd entry from grub
• 2315[16:06:21] <timeless> so it's probably my fault
• 2316[16:06:39] <Silmaril> probably yes ;)
• 2317[16:07:06] <timeless> i would have been trying to fix `/usr/bin/lesspipe.sh` not found...
• 2318[16:07:15] * timeless goes and downloads a non bashist lesspipe.sh
• 2319[16:07:31] <Silmaril> you don't need to
• 2320[16:07:38] <timeless> i'm open to alternatives
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• 2322[16:07:45] <Silmaril> simply do a ln -s lesspipe lesspipe.sh
• 2323[16:07:49] <tremolo> Link to /bin/lesspipe?
• 2324[16:07:56] <Silmaril> or change the env variable
• 2325[16:08:03] <tremolo> or that
• 2326[16:08:30] <timeless> a symlink results in less not working at all
• 2327[16:08:55] <timeless> and i don't have a particularly good way of changing the env var as it's inherited via lxc-attach
• 2328[16:08:58] * timeless is open to suggestions
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• 2332[16:10:30] <Silmaril> what give "echo $LESS $LESSOPEN $LESSCLOSE" ?
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• 2334[16:11:06] <timeless> # echo $LESSOPEN
• 2335[16:11:07] <timeless> ||/usr/bin/lesspipe.sh %s
• 2336[16:11:10] <timeless> the other two are empty
• 2337[16:11:27] <Silmaril> with a double pipe ?
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• 2339[16:11:31] <timeless> yes
• 2340[16:11:36] <timeless> presumably also a bashist thing
• 2341[16:11:40] <Silmaril> nope
• 2342[16:11:46] <timeless> ok
• 2343[16:11:51] * timeless has no idea what the double pipe does
• 2344[16:11:52] <Silmaril> it's a sh error
• 2345[16:11:56] <Silmaril> it does "OR"
• 2346[16:12:06] <Silmaril> so .. doesn't work
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• 2352[16:12:46] <timeless> it works fine in the host...
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• 2357[16:14:11] <Silmaril> i'm not familiar with lxc-attach, how do you use it eaxctly to login the container ?
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• 2361[16:14:32] <timeless> like this replaced-url
• 2362[16:14:41] <pesho> hello. I need a help
• 2363[16:14:42] <timeless> note: this is lxc1 not lxc2
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• 2366[16:15:27] <timeless> (snippet from man page) replaced-url
• 2367[16:16:03] <Silmaril> do you have the "--clear-env " option ?
• 2368[16:16:12] <timeless> oh, i do
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• 2370[16:16:29] <timeless> yuck
• 2371[16:16:38] <timeless> that's worse replaced-url
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• 2374[16:17:18] <pesho> whats the difference between automatic partitioning/using the whole disk , deleting th whole disk and using a LVM and automatic partitioning/using the whole disk with LVM?
• 2375[16:17:24] <Silmaril> then alias lx-attach="lxc-attach --clear-env --keep-var TERM "
• 2376[16:17:28] <Silmaril> something like that
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• 2381[16:18:46] <Silmaril> i don't have a redhat/centos running but do you have a /usr/bin/lesspipe.sh on the host ?
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• 2384[16:19:46] <timeless> yeah, which is what i would have copied to try to "Fix" my problems
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• 2386[16:20:12] <timeless> this is the package that gave me the script replaced-url
• 2387[16:20:29] <Silmaril> i think the problem is more in the less version, debian's version doesn't understand the double pipe i think
• 2388[16:20:52] <timeless> ii less 458-3 amd64 pager program similar to more
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• 2394[16:21:13] <Silmaril> ESSCLOSE='/usr/bin/lesspipe %s %s'
• 2395[16:21:13] <Silmaril> LESSOPEN='| /usr/bin/lesspipe %s'
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• 2397[16:21:14] <timeless> the less version from debian is "newer" than the less version from rhel6
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• 2399[16:21:20] <Silmaril> mine is set like this
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• 2403[16:21:47] <timeless> so, your alias seems to work
• 2404[16:22:09] <timeless> it feels like a bit of a hammer, but since the only nail that hammer is used for is this one lxc, it seems like a reasonable hammer
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• 2406[16:22:39] <petn-randall> pesho: Generally any kind of automatic partitioning in the installer will use some sensible defaults (fsvo "sensible"), if you want something specific do it manually (I recommend this).
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• 2408[16:23:14] <timeless> oh, brother, that cleared HOME
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• 2410[16:23:31] <timeless> maybe i should have the alias just be `LESSOPEN= lxc-attach ...`
• 2411[16:23:31] <Silmaril> well clear does clear ;)
• 2412[16:23:43] <Silmaril> that's another way
• 2413[16:24:32] <pesho> If I don't know how to do things with debian because I'm new in Debian which one you petn-randall'll recommend me?
• 2414[16:24:56] <timeless> Silmaril: ok, that works, thanks for walking me through this, i really appreciate it
• 2415[16:25:03] <petn-randall> pesho: Just pick automatic LVM then.
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• 2418[16:25:17] <Silmaril> timeless: no problem
• 2419[16:25:21] <petn-randall> pesho: That way you can change a few things around later if you need to.
• 2420[16:25:38] <Silmaril> the redhat setup is really kinda weird however, it doesn't match any documentation
• 2421[16:26:04] <pesho> petn-randall whats the difference between automatic and automatic wtih LVM?
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• 2423[16:26:28] <timeless> Silmaril: i'm looking forward to the day that i can retire all of these rhel systems
• 2424[16:26:49] <Silmaril> pesho: LVM is a system that allow easier storage management
• 2425[16:27:17] <petn-randall> pesho: "Automatic" will create paritions/filesystems, "automatic" will create a /boot partition, and put the rest as a PV (physical volume) into LVM, and create LVs (logical volumes) as needed.
• 2426[16:27:20] <timeless> fwiw replaced-url
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• 2428[16:28:16] <timeless> admittedly, rhel6 is quite ancient, i wouldn't be surprised if it does something less quirky in a modern rhel
• 2429[16:28:46] <timeless> great, one minor mystery solved
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• 2431[16:29:01] <pesho> thank you Spetn-randall Silmaril
• 2432[16:29:24] * timeless goes back to trying to figure out why the postinst script for mariadb fails miserably (~ the /usr/bin/mysqld_safe script doesn't work properly)
• 2433[16:29:51] <Silmaril> timeless: look really like a little mistake in typing ${LESSOPEN:-ESSCLOSE='/usr/bin/lesspipe %s %s'
• 2434[16:29:54] <Silmaril> LESSOPEN='| /usr/bin/lesspipe %s'
• 2435[16:29:59] <Silmaril> oups
• 2436[16:30:15] <Silmaril> damm cut'n'paste that's making me mad
• 2437[16:30:33] <Silmaril> so, timeless: look really like a little mistake in typing ${LESSOPEN:-|/usr/bin/lesspipe.sh %s}"
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• 2441[16:31:25] <__marco> How/where do you usually store the private keys/certificates?
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• 2445[16:31:54] <__marco> I see /etc/ssl/private, but what permission do you give it?
• 2446[16:31:55] <timeless> Silmaril: they're consistent, i have two rhel systems i play w/ and both the less.csh and less.sh profile.d files have the ||
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• 2450[16:32:37] * timeless uses letsencrypt for private keys :)
• 2451[16:32:39] <Silmaril> yes, found this replaced-url
• 2452[16:32:45] <tw> __marco: depends on context. usually /etc/<service>/ssl or /etc/<service>/keys
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• 2454[16:33:04] <petn-randall> __marco: There's /etc/ssl/private for TLS certificates, it should be 0710 belonging to root:ssl-cert.
• 2455[16:33:13] <Silmaril> but the link about differences in | and || doesn't contain any
• 2456[16:33:43] * timeless chuckles
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• 2458[16:34:31] <__marco> petn-randall: why the group is ssl-cert? (I just see that the nginx's master process is ran as root)
• 2459[16:35:08] <timeless> __marco: the reason is to allow you to put things that shouldn't be root into a group that could access just those files
• 2460[16:35:21] <Silmaril> probably a deprecated setting
• 2461[16:35:22] <petn-randall> Silmaril: In shell scripting context the single pipe "|" means "connect the STDOUT of the process left of it to the STDIN of the process right of it. In contrast, the double pipe "||" means "run the left program, if it fails, run the right one".
• 2462[16:35:31] <Silmaril> petn-randall: yes
• 2463[16:35:39] <timeless> petn-randall: we know, but it's pretty clear it means something else here
• 2464[16:35:44] <Silmaril> i know, we are talking in less-context
• 2465[16:35:49] <petn-randall> __marco: So you can add unprivileged users to that group that need access.
• 2466[16:35:55] <timeless> although given the documentation, it's totally unclear what it actually means
• 2467[16:36:00] <tw> __marco: and the ssl-cert group cannot list the directory, because it's execute-only for them.
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• 2470[16:36:28] <petn-randall> __marco: Most web servers however start as root, bind the privileged ports and read the keys, then drop to an unprivileged uid. So you don't need changing anything there.
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• 2473[16:37:03] <timeless> notably: w/ modern certificates, web servers (and mail servers) need to leave one process as root so that they can reread the cert files
• 2474[16:37:11] <timeless> since they change every 60 days (and in the future faster)
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• 2476[16:37:37] <__marco> petn-randall: rw, timeless: right. But why perm to 0710? I would say 0740 or 0640 or even 0440
• 2477[16:37:41] <timeless> we're moving away from long lived (5-10/2 yr) certs to short
• 2478[16:37:57] <timeless> __marco: basically "if your process is configured to read file X, go read it, but don't go snooping"
• 2479[16:38:11] * timeless thinks that's right
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• 2483[16:38:31] <__marco> timeless: 710 is the execute bit for the group
• 2484[16:38:35] <timeless> it's a directory so the x7xx is so that root can go into the directory
• 2485[16:38:44] <tw> __marco: It's a directory. It should definitely have +x for anything that needs to access files within it, but they shouldn't get to list the directory (that's +r).
• 2486[16:38:50] <JyZyXEL> how is a software author able to provide built debian packages for debian jessie for software that depends on Qt 5.5, when jessie only has Qt 5.3?
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• 2488[16:39:21] <JyZyXEL> they probably included the Qt 5.5 libs inside the binary package as binaries?
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• 2490[16:39:41] <__marco> tw: timeless, ah, wait. I supposed that was the files' permission
• 2491[16:39:56] <__marco> timeless: tw: Thanks for the explanations
• 2492[16:40:01] <timeless> __marco: you asked about the directory (or ambiguously did) and tw answered for the directory
• 2493[16:40:11] <timeless> (and i interpreted his answer the same)
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• 2495[16:40:46] <timeless> anyway
• 2496[16:40:51] * timeless goes back to mysql/maria hell
• 2497[16:41:05] <__marco> Yes, I wasn't clear. But all what you said makes sense to me
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• 2582[17:12:37] <DebWut> Hey, I got a question here.. Is there any package released on debian 8 that will auto install postgresql?..
• 2583[17:12:39] <jrmu> anyone have experience using VNT9271 wireless cards? They claim to have AR9271 chipsets.
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• 2585[17:13:14] <DebWut> I mean debian critical package, like systemd or libc-bin that would output a bash command "apt install postgresql" out of the blue
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• 2588[17:13:41] <petn-randall> DebWut: No, only packages that depend on postgresql would pull it in during installation.
• 2589[17:13:47] <greycat> DebWut: no. They would never issue an "apt install" command through a shell.
• 2590[17:13:58] <DebWut> Cuz today, out of the blue, a bash command was registered: "apt install postgresql"
• 2591[17:14:01] <DebWut> No SSH user online
• 2592[17:14:04] <petn-randall> DebWut: Tell us about your problem though, not what you assume is the cause.
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• 2594[17:14:25] <petn-randall> DebWut: How was it issued? Did you find it in the bash history?
• 2595[17:14:30] <greycat> What do mean, "registered"? What have you done? Recompiled bash with a logging hack?
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• 2597[17:15:09] <DebWut> I found it in /var/log/apt/history.log
• 2598[17:15:14] <Silmaril> DebWut: look at lastlog using "last"
• 2599[17:15:15] <DebWut> Start-Date: 2017-07-11 11:28:09 Commandline: apt install postgresql
• 2600[17:15:37] <ioudas^working> Any of you guys messed with request tracker at all?
• 2601[17:15:39] <Silmaril> to see who was logged in and from where
• 2602[17:15:45] <greycat> DebWut: well, that file will also tell you who ran the command.
• 2603[17:15:45] <DebWut> The last ssh login user was Sat 8 Jul, then we ofc logged in after httpd crashed due to this postgresql install took all ram available on the server
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• 2605[17:15:49] <Silmaril> ioudas^working: yeah
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• 2607[17:16:07] <ioudas^working> Silmaril i cant seem to get custom fields to show up on a ticket. What am i doing wrong?
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• 2609[17:16:22] <DebWut> greycat: I see no username, not even on the command I issued at 16:39 today to remove postgresql
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• 2611[17:16:40] <Silmaril> ioudas^working: hu you could be doing a whole lot of wrong ...
• 2612[17:16:45] <greycat> You don't have "Requested-By" right under "Commandline"?
• 2613[17:16:55] <DebWut> But I assume this Install: postgresql-9.4:amd64 (9.4.12-0+deb8u1, automatic), postgresql-common:amd64 (165+deb8u2, automatic) < automatic means its somehow automated installed?
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• 2617[17:17:11] <DebWut> No, not even under the command I issued almost an hour ago
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• 2619[17:17:40] <ioudas^working> Any ideas?
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• 2622[17:18:38] <DebWut> greycat: in /var/log/alternatives.log I got update-alternatives 2017-07-11 11:28:12: run with --install /usr/share/man/man1/psql.1.gz psql.1.gz /usr/share/postgresql/9.4/man/man1/psql.1.gz 94 --slave /usr/share/man/man7/DROP_AGGREGATE.7.gz DROP_AGGREGATE.7.gz /usr/share/postgresq$ which is 3 seconds after the apt install command was issued
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• 2624[17:19:03] <petn-randall> ,v postgresql-9.4
• 2625[17:19:04] <judd> Package: postgresql-9.4 on amd64 -- jessie: 9.4.11-0+deb8u2; wheezy-backports: 9.4.12-0+deb8u1~bpo7+1; jessie-proposed-updates: 9.4.12-0+deb8u1; jessie-security: 9.4.12-0+deb8u1
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• 2627[17:19:06] <Silmaril> sometime i hate less, when i'm using '-r' to allow control char i can't get the beginning of my /var/log/apt/history...
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• 2631[17:19:55] <ioudas^working> neat
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• 2634[17:20:18] <greycat> Ah, looks like jessie doesn't log "Requested-By". That must be new in stretch.
• 2635[17:20:35] <Silmaril> ioudas^working: are they global custom field ?
• 2636[17:20:38] <ioudas^working> yes
• 2637[17:20:45] <ioudas^working> with a group added with view permission
• 2638[17:20:52] <Silmaril> greycat: don't have it in sid either
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• 2640[17:21:06] <greycat> Silmaril: they why do I have it on a vanilla stretch box?
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• 2642[17:21:59] <Silmaril> beat me ...
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• 2644[17:22:20] <greycat> Start-Date: 2017-07-10 11:01:40
• 2645[17:22:20] <greycat> Commandline: apt-get install inotify-tools
• 2646[17:22:20] <greycat> Requested-By: wooledg (563)
• 2647[17:22:21] <Silmaril> some apt default configuration ?
• 2648[17:22:35] <DebWut> greycat u do sudo apt-get maybe?
• 2649[17:22:49] <greycat> Yes.
• 2650[17:23:04] <DebWut> This was issued straight up. "apt install postgresql" so must have been run as root, which I also did
• 2651[17:23:25] <DebWut> But the thing is, I always use apt-get install or remove or whatever, didnt even know you could do only "apt" and then install
• 2652[17:23:46] <greycat> jessie added apt(8) as a command line program. It's crap.
• 2653[17:23:53] <DebWut> So its defo not me, thats why I kinda wanna find out what software or something that could have issued that command, so I can remove that program :z
• 2654[17:23:54] <greycat> The stretch version is also crap.
• 2655[17:24:04] <Silmaril> i like it personnaly
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• 2657[17:24:30] <Silmaril> well not jessie's one, the latest in stretch/sid is almost complete
• 2658[17:24:31] <petn-randall> DebWut: How is the root account protected? Is SSH login as root allowed? Do you have a simple password set?
• 2659[17:24:49] <DebWut> petn-randall: The only logins are me and my partners IPs
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• 2663[17:24:59] <DebWut> Like I said, last SSH before we logged in today was Sat Jul 08
• 2664[17:25:03] <petn-randall> DebWut: That's not my question though.
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• 2666[17:25:09] <DebWut> And you need to access a normal account before su
• 2667[17:25:12] <petn-randall> DebWut: If you have root, you can edit all those files.
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• 2669[17:25:44] <DebWut> But I got csf firewall. We get a email the second someone SU's
• 2670[17:25:50] <DebWut> Can't change or edit that retroactively
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• 2672[17:25:57] <greycat> You keep dodging petn-randall's question.
• 2673[17:26:12] <DebWut> Ok straight up then
• 2674[17:26:43] <DebWut> You can not SSH our server, locked to our two IPs. You can not login as root you need to access a user account then you can SU to root. When you SU to root we get an email saying when who what time got root
• 2675[17:27:02] <ioudas^working> Any of you guys messed with request tracker at all? Cant get the custom fields to show up on a ticket. No matter what i do.
• 2676[17:27:03] <DebWut> the ssh port is locked to our ips that is
• 2677[17:27:13] <BluesKaj> HP is kinda slow to upgrade printer driver support. I see stretch still isn't listed in thier linux drivers list
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• 2680[17:27:44] <Silmaril> BluesKaj: slow is an understatement
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• 2682[17:27:50] <petn-randall> DebWut: So 'PermitRootLogin' is set to 'no' in /etc/ssh/sshd_config?
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• 2684[17:28:10] <`ajven> hello, im trying to take TCPdump for eth2 interface on port 8080 and im taking only strange symbols. I use the command like - tcpdump -i eth2 -n dst port 80 -w /tmp/tcpdump/port_80.log What can be wrong ?
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• 2688[17:29:13] <DebWut> # Authentication: LoginGraceTime 120 PermitRootLogin without-password StrictModes yes
• 2689[17:29:27] <Silmaril> `ajven: could have an easier to quote username ? Has for your tcpdump if you want the port 8080 you should be filtering on 'port 80'
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• 2691[17:29:45] <Silmaril> but what do you call "strange symbol" ?
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• 2694[17:30:41] <Silmaril> DebWut: so someone with an ssh-key, or any other secure method can log-in as root
• 2695[17:30:45] <Silmaril> directly
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• 2697[17:30:56] <petn-randall> DebWut: So you can log in as root.
• 2698[17:30:59] <Silmaril> probably bypassing csf in the process
• 2699[17:31:02] <petn-randall> directly
• 2700[17:31:03] <DebWut> Silmaril: Yes but you also need to go via one of our IPs to access port 22
• 2701[17:31:09] <DebWut> Unless you can alter iptables externally
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• 2703[17:31:24] <greycat> Have you tried asking your "partner" whether (s)he installed postgres?
• 2704[17:31:34] <DebWut> Yes he is in here aswell reading, it is not one of us.
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• 2706[17:31:37] <Silmaril> did you look at the output of the "last" command anyway ?
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• 2708[17:31:47] <DebWut> Also we do not have any ssh key file for root
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• 2710[17:32:36] <greycat> ... currently.
• 2711[17:32:39] <DebWut> Silmaril: the "last" gives me a list of logins and what times and duration of the login, so the last login shows Sat Jul 08 then we two logged in today after httpd got bricked cuz of ram
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• 2714[17:33:21] <petn-randall> DebWut: Do you use any kind of configuration management (ansible, chef, puppet, etc) to administer that machine?
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• 2716[17:33:30] <DebWut> Directadmin
• 2717[17:33:34] <DammitJim> how terrible is it that the home partition gets unmounted?
• 2718[17:33:36] <DebWut> With their custombuild
• 2719[17:33:50] <Silmaril> then someone probably has found a way to your system
• 2720[17:33:50] <DammitJim> I need to unmounted to decrease it's size and increase the size of another partition
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• 2722[17:34:12] <DebWut> Silmaril: We've checked all access logs, Directadmin, pureftp etc nothing :/
• 2723[17:34:17] <greycat> DammitJim: log out of all user stuff, and probably stop mail deliveries. Might be *easiest* to drop to single user mode.
• 2724[17:34:31] <DebWut> I mean we get blistered on pop3 bruteforce attempts but thats standard and I doubt accessing exim could give root
• 2725[17:34:33] <Silmaril> well if they got to root everything is unreliable
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• 2728[17:34:51] <DammitJim> greycat, I am trying to avoid a reboot
• 2729[17:34:56] <DammitJim> so, thanks
• 2730[17:35:07] <DammitJim> seems low impact in my case (this is a server that runs tomcat
• 2731[17:35:08] <greycat> I think systemd calls it "isolate".
• 2732[17:35:12] <Aebian> is there a simple way to open a windows nfs on linux? No mount just open it to access files
• 2733[17:35:28] <greycat> Aebian: you mean a windows CIFS/SMB share?
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• 2735[17:35:34] <petn-randall> Aebian: Last time I checked Windows doesn't have NFS.
• 2736[17:35:38] <Aebian> greycat: yes
• 2737[17:35:44] <greycat> various smbclient programs
• 2738[17:35:57] <Aebian> like //server/bla/folder/
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• 2740[17:36:10] <greycat> mount.cifs may be the easiest way, but smbclient also exists
• 2741[17:36:15] <DammitJim> greycat, doing an umount /home would tell me if something is using that partition, right?
• 2742[17:36:16] <DebWut> Silmaril: why would anyone that gains root on a server just "apt install postgresql", leave it, dont configure it or anything just wipe ALL evicendces of them accessing it and then vanishing that seems very far fetched. My thought is that some program or apt or systemd or whatever found that oh, lets install postgresql
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• 2744[17:36:31] <greycat> DammitJim: if it's actively open, the umount will most definitely fail
• 2745[17:36:38] <Silmaril> DebWut: yes that's the weird thing
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• 2748[17:36:49] <tsarompy> hai #debian
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• 2750[17:37:08] <Silmaril> petn-randall: you didn't check enough :)
• 2751[17:37:14] <ioudas^working> Any of you guys messed with request tracker at all? Cant get the custom fields to show up on a ticket. No matter what i do.
• 2752[17:37:22] <tsarompy> lol @ maliciously installing postgresql for no reason
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• 2755[17:37:44] <Silmaril> EMC system did use for a long time a windows server as an NFS gateway
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• 2757[17:38:07] <DebWut> So I am just here trying to find out how it could be that something managed to install a package, since I still highly doubt it was an attacker. Seems very bad to have such software in a production server :x
• 2758[17:38:25] <jhutchins> Some versions of Windows have NFS support, there is an optional "Services for Unix" suite for others. replaced-url
• 2759[17:38:28] <Silmaril> DebWut: well, that a program by itself started to install postgres is also far-fetched
• 2760[17:38:31] <petn-randall> DebWut: Why would *systemd* install postgres?
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• 2762[17:38:38] <petn-randall> Or any other program for that matter.
• 2763[17:38:44] <greycat> DebWut: It's not a thing that any legit packages would do. Maybe someone wrote a shell script to do it, or set up an at job to do it after logging out.
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• 2768[17:39:41] <DebWut> greycat: Silmaril: petn-randall: Yes thats what I am curious too. when I look in /var/log/apt/term.log of the package install, at the end it says:
• 2769[17:39:45] <DebWut> Processing triggers for libc-bin (2.19-18+deb8u4) ... Processing triggers for systemd (215-17+deb8u4) ...
• 2770[17:39:49] <greycat> Near as I can tell, at jobs aren't logged, other than weird PAM session stuff.
• 2771[17:39:53] <DammitJim> oh man
• 2772[17:39:54] <DebWut> ^ that for postgresql?
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• 2774[17:40:07] <greycat> DebWut: irrelevant.
• 2775[17:40:09] <Silmaril> DebWut: that's normal
• 2776[17:40:21] <petn-randall> DebWut: That are triggered from the postgres install, not the other way around.
• 2777[17:40:23] <Silmaril> triggers are post-process thing
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• 2779[17:41:17] <DebWut> And the part Install: postgresql-9.4:amd64 (9.4.12-0+deb8u1, automatic) < automatic has no relevance either of the issued command?
• 2780[17:41:24] <DebWut> Since it was sent without any flags I suppose :o
• 2781[17:41:36] <greycat> postgresql depends on postgresql-9.4 or whatever
• 2782[17:42:18] <Silmaril> or the other way aournd "postgresql" is provided by postgresql-9.4 no ?
• 2783[17:43:01] <greycat> ,depends postgresql --release jessie
• 2784[17:43:02] <judd> Package postgresql in jessie/amd64 -- depends: postgresql-9.4.
• 2785[17:43:31] <Silmaril> so no :D
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• 2789[17:44:40] <Silmaril> ioudas^working: this is surely not the best place to ask questions about RT, it's quite a complicated and specific system
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• 2794[17:45:34] <ioudas^working> Silmaril i understand thanks for your feed back. However there is no real forums. So i will bug people everywhere i guess.
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• 2796[17:45:43] <Silmaril> and you should prepare a detailled explanation of what you did
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• 2799[17:46:06] <Silmaril> that's the better way to be banned from everywhere
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• 2803[17:46:18] <ioudas^working> yawn.
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• 2807[17:46:45] <Silmaril> also .. replaced-url
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• 2811[17:47:52] <Silmaril> it's you i suppose replaced-url
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• 2813[17:48:38] <Silmaril> "<ioudas^working> yawn." <sarcasm>yeah, that too will give a lot of people incentive to help ...</sarcasm>
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• 2815[17:49:41] <DebWut> Can the systemd "self-reload"? In the logfiles right about the time before the command was issued to install, systemd was reloaded aswell
• 2816[17:49:50] <greycat> systemd does not issue "apt" commands
• 2817[17:49:57] <DebWut> Or is that part of the apt process of triggers?
• 2818[17:50:07] <Silmaril> i would say it's the trigger
• 2819[17:50:08] <greycat> That would be the triggers from installing a new service, yes.
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• 2822[17:50:37] <greycat> The postgresql post-install probably has to do "systemd daemon-reload" and so on.
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• 2824[17:51:01] <DebWut> Yea, its also after the command was issued so that is accurate event of why it was reloaded
• 2825[17:51:05] <greycat> (Or arranges for apt to do so.)
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• 2827[17:51:29] <jhutchins> ioudas^working: Might want to expand what "RT" means in your context.
• 2828[17:51:38] <Silmaril> probably via the service install process
• 2829[17:52:05] <ioudas^working> jhutchins it means a simple queue. 1 user and a single field applied to the queue.
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• 2831[17:52:14] <ioudas^working> What else might you need?
• 2832[17:52:18] <petn-randall> DebWut: Does your csf firewall log any logins or login attempts? Since you can't attribute who had root on that system, /var/log/{utmp,wtmp} is worthless.
• 2833[17:52:26] <ioudas^working> Steps? Or ?
• 2834[17:52:38] <greycat> ioudas^working: that does not explain to jhutchins what "RT" stands for.
• 2835[17:53:17] <greycat> jhutchins: From /lastlog, it apparently is something called "request tracker"
• 2836[17:53:21] <DebWut> petn-randall: yes it logs all attempts and portscans etc, it gets bombarded
• 2837[17:53:24] <ioudas^working> ah. ive never used the word RT.... ive always said it stands for request tracker.
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• 2839[17:53:33] <ioudas^working> request tracker 4 to be specific
• 2840[17:53:50] <DebWut> But when I got in as root I noticed that rsyslogd was connected to an ip on port 35014, ESTABLISHED (netstat -tap)
• 2841[17:53:58] <DebWut> Why does rsyslogd accept connections to begin with
• 2842[17:54:06] <DebWut> The IP it was established with was a tor exit node
• 2843[17:54:31] <Silmaril> hum ...
• 2844[17:54:39] <greycat> I don't think rsyslog listens by default.
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• 2846[17:54:52] <Silmaril> nope, he doesn't
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• 2849[17:55:39] <Silmaril> it's starting more and more to look like an intrusion
• 2850[17:55:44] <DebWut> replaced-url
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• 2854[17:56:21] <DebWut> 89.144.12.15 < that ip was a tor exit node when searched for
• 2855[17:56:33] <DebWut> Also you see some other weird IPs connecting on port 8080 trying to reach postgresql
• 2856[17:56:35] <Silmaril> 212.129.54.0 is yours ?
• 2857[17:56:43] <DebWut> Yea one of few, it has several IPs
• 2858[17:56:49] <Silmaril> ok
• 2859[17:57:07] <Silmaril> this is not a standard syslog port
• 2860[17:57:10] <Silmaril> src or dst
• 2861[17:57:22] <petn-randall> Time to take the system offline and use forensic tools ...
• 2862[17:57:42] <Silmaril> offline maybe not, but off-network absolutly
• 2863[17:57:56] <Silmaril> if you shut it down you could loose a lot of informations
• 2864[17:57:58] <DebWut> The rsyslogd I constrained by adding it
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• 2866[17:58:02] <DebWut> It was wide open in the config file
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• 2869[17:58:36] <Silmaril> i really doubt it is really rsyslog
• 2870[17:58:37] <DebWut> It had no configuration for ModLoad imudp, Serveradress or ServerRun :/
• 2871[17:58:43] <petn-randall> DebWut: It's not so with the config that Debian ships.
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• 2873[17:59:09] <Silmaril> could easily be a command daemon masquerading as rsyslog
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• 2875[17:59:39] <DebWut> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 577344 Dec 19 2015 /usr/sbin/rsyslogd this one I presume is not modified
• 2876[17:59:46] <DebWut> The date is the install date of the machine
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• 2879[18:00:20] <petn-randall> DebWut: Look at the backups when that file changed.
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• 2883[18:01:56] <Silmaril> DebWut: you know that any program can "say" it's called "/usr/sbin/rsyslogd" after it has started, don't you ?
• 2884[18:02:03] <DebWut> petn-randall: 19 Dec 2015 was server install date, the bin was modified then and the conf file was 19 Dec before I changed it today
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• 2887[18:02:17] <DebWut> Silmaril: yes ofcourse
• 2888[18:02:49] <petn-randall> DebWut: And you know that root can change the mtime of any file?
• 2889[18:02:51] <Silmaril> and you can change the modified date of a file (tar does it everyday)
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• 2891[18:03:14] <DebWut> But I can still not grasp that they managed to get root without us getting a SU warning
• 2892[18:03:40] <DebWut> You _cannot_ ssh in directly as root, you can not use a ssh key either because port 22 is closed and only accessable for two ips
• 2893[18:03:44] <DebWut> Which makes me go mental
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• 2895[18:04:00] <petn-randall> DebWut: But apparently your firewall let rsyslog be accessible from the world ...
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• 2897[18:04:32] <Silmaril> using the webserver, a php/cgi script with a flaw and a few local privilege enhancement flaw
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• 2899[18:04:40] <DebWut> Yea we've added blocked and open ports, since its for web I guess we did not care about over port 10k
• 2900[18:05:07] <petn-randall> DebWut: You firewall is not closed by default??
• 2901[18:05:10] <petn-randall> *Your
• 2902[18:05:28] <petn-randall> Meaning any ports not explicitely listed are allowed by default?
• 2903[18:06:01] <DebWut> It is but according to a DirectAdmin config we've got PassivePorts 35000 35999
• 2904[18:06:08] <DebWut> replaced-url
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• 2906[18:06:25] <Silmaril> that's for ftp session
• 2907[18:06:42] <DebWut> I dont know if he targeted this because it responded on 2222 (da port) and he used 35011 because he know most will have it open running DA
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• 2911[18:08:01] <Silmaril> also even a webserver need some high port for speaking with their clients after tcp's accept
• 2912[18:08:15] <Silmaril> but this should be taken care by an ESTABLISHED rule
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• 2917[18:09:06] <petn-randall> Silmaril: That is not how web servers work.
• 2918[18:09:19] <ioudas^working> Any of you guys messed with request tracker at all? Cant get the custom fields to show up on a ticket. No matter what i do on a new install. Single queue, single user.
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• 2922[18:10:20] <DebWut> As we are speaking I got this lol
• 2923[18:10:21] <DebWut> :35011 tor-exit-relay.an:55797 ESTABLISHED 16661/cron
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• 2928[18:10:39] <Silmaril> petn-randall: sorry yes got my shit mixed
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• 2931[18:11:06] <Silmaril> DebWut: your system is under someone else control
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• 2933[18:11:17] <Silmaril> probably even root-kit-ed
• 2934[18:11:21] <petn-randall> DebWut: So what services are running on there, and when have you last applied security updates?
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• 2936[18:11:37] <DebWut> petn-randall: It's updated via Directadmin custombuild
• 2937[18:11:48] <jhutchins> DebWut: Very simple procedure at this point: Disconnect from net, build new instance, restore backup from before attack.
• 2938[18:11:49] <petn-randall> DebWut: That being said, after analysis, scrap the whole machine and restart from scratch.
• 2939[18:12:04] <jhutchins> DebWut: If you've been hacked you can trust NOTHING on that system.
• 2940[18:12:06] <petn-randall> DebWut: So that means security updates are not applied?
• 2941[18:12:25] <DebWut> petn-randall: only software updates
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• 2945[18:13:30] <petn-randall> DebWut: Are debian package security updates applied regularly or not? It's a simple yes/no question.
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• 2947[18:13:44] <DebWut> No no apt updates
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• 2949[18:13:51] <DebWut> The packages arent installed via apt either
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• 2951[18:13:58] <petn-randall> DebWut: But the OS is.
• 2952[18:14:15] <DebWut> Yea, but no apt upgrade since Dec 2015
• 2953[18:14:35] <petn-randall> DebWut: Then I'm guessing it's one of the dozen remote code execution that have been found since.
• 2954[18:14:37] <Silmaril> then your system is full of holes
• 2955[18:15:01] <DebWut> So you think its better to downgrade debian version then?
• 2956[18:15:22] <petn-randall> DebWut: Throw away the whole installation, start from scratch.
• 2957[18:15:32] <DebWut> The servers are practically unmaintained, DA updates the software on them but not the security appliances
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• 2959[18:15:47] <DebWut> Yes I am asking for a fresh go, on a live production server
• 2960[18:15:58] <Silmaril> downgrade ? hell no, you need to upgrade
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• 2962[18:16:19] <jhutchins> Actually, you need a clean new build.
• 2963[18:16:20] <Silmaril> and throw away all previous instances
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• 2965[18:16:34] <petn-randall> DebWut: I personally wouldn't use direct admin, anything "web" shouldn't have root on the server.
• 2966[18:16:38] <Silmaril> but on the new one you need to upgrade regullarly
• 2967[18:16:55] <Silmaril> yep, like he said :)
• 2968[18:16:56] <petn-randall> DebWut: Use as many Debian packages as possible, and use unattended-upgrades to keep the system up-to-date.
• 2969[18:17:30] <DebWut> Silmaril: yea the apt updates will be a must, but the software packages such as mysql, exim etc DirectAdmin handles very well, even release long before debian apt lists
• 2970[18:17:45] <petn-randall> DebWut: If you can find a remote shell binary they're using you can probably upload that to virustotal.com to see what kind of malware you got.
• 2971[18:17:59] <petn-randall> DebWut: Seems like it didn't ...
• 2972[18:18:30] <jhutchins> Simply having the latest version of software doesn't ensure security. Testing and code review are important.
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• 2974[18:18:59] <DebWut> petn-randall: we've found the cron.php
• 2975[18:18:59] <petn-randall> DebWut: Port scan your machine from the outside, I'm half expecting the firewall was set up wrong and many services are reachable over the internet.
• 2976[18:19:00] <DebWut> Responsible
• 2977[18:19:06] <DebWut> from a nulled interspire email marketing script
• 2978[18:19:44] <DebWut> ^ cant find any evil code or anything, have no clue why it would accept connections either
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• 2981[18:20:19] <DebWut> replaced-url
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• 2983[18:20:26] <jhutchins> DebWut: You can't trust any of the tools you're using to investigate this.
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• 2986[18:22:09] <Cl0udN9ne> replaced-url
• 2987[18:22:20] <Cl0udN9ne> why am i getting this when running this sh file
• 2988[18:22:23] <petn-randall> DebWut: I'm surprised they didn't patch netstat/ps/top to hide their root kits.
• 2989[18:22:30] <Cl0udN9ne> cp: cannot stat 'libplugin1.so.0.1': No such file or directory
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• 2991[18:23:15] <petn-randall> Cl0udN9ne: Sounds pretty self-explainatory. Line 20 is looking for that file, it doesn't exist.
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• 2994[18:23:45] <Silmaril> petn-randall: well they possibly are patched , i've never seen cron accepting remote tcp connection
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• 2996[18:23:58] <Cl0udN9ne> petn-randall: thnx
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• 2999[18:24:16] <petn-randall> Silmaril: Any process can change the process name, there are no guarantees there.
• 3000[18:24:42] <Silmaril> yes, well i told it just earlier
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• 3004[18:24:55] <kang0> Anyone uses wireshark?
• 3005[18:25:07] <Silmaril> but another way is via kernel rootkit or modified userland
• 3006[18:26:13] <petn-randall> kang0: Probably many people. Better ask your real question.
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• 3016[18:29:20] <kang0> What are fun things to learn by using Wireshark
• 3017[18:29:33] <petn-randall> DebWut: Also expect that *everything* on that machine has been backed up by the attacker, so take precautions regarding any compromised data.
• 3018[18:30:01] <petn-randall> kang0: Are you using Kali or Parrot?
• 3019[18:30:12] <DebWut> Yea we are working on moving some day old backups
• 3020[18:30:17] <kang0> Nope. Linux mint petan
• 3021[18:30:23] <DebWut> Wont risk moving over infected content so we are rolling back a bit
• 3022[18:30:24] <kang0> petn-randall
• 3023[18:30:37] <petn-randall> !mint
• 3024[18:30:37] <dpkg> Linux Mint is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Please use their forums at replaced-url
• 3025[18:30:53] <petn-randall> kang0: You might want to ask in their channel. ^^^
• 3026[18:31:17] <kang0> My query isn't about mint
• 3027[18:31:46] <kang0> !kali
• 3028[18:31:46] <dpkg> Kali Linux (replaced-url
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• 3030[18:32:04] <greycat> If your query is about wireshark, ask #wireshark
• 3031[18:32:25] <greycat> Don't just pick a random OS channel that isn't even your OS.
• 3032[18:32:28] <kang0> My query Is also not about wireshark
• 3033[18:32:40] <tsarompy> s/kali/skiddie/g
• 3034[18:32:40] <tsarompy> :y
• 3035[18:32:47] <kang0> It's about fun possible ways if someone experienced with it
• 3036[18:33:31] * greycat wondering if he got banned from #wireshark for being an obvious script kiddie, or if he's just not able to join the channel due to not-registered or other technical failure.
• 3037[18:33:46] <kang0> !parrot
• 3038[18:33:46] <dpkg> Parrot OS (replaced-url
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• 3040[18:33:54] <tsarompy> lol
• 3041[18:33:55] <kang0> Asking is better than wondering
• 3042[18:33:56] <tsarompy> !windows
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• 3044[18:33:57] <dpkg> "PCs are like air conditioners, if you open Windows(R) they don't work." Support for Microsoft Windows operating systems is available in ##windows on irc.freenode.net.
• 3045[18:34:35] <tsarompy> !freebsd
• 3046[18:34:36] <dpkg> i guess freebsd is NOT better than Debian, and it is not worse. It is just different. Admittedly one might be more interested in using FreeBSD as a server OS rather than as a desktop workstation. replaced-url
• 3047[18:34:47] <petn-randall> tsarompy, kang0, stop abusing the bot.
• 3048[18:34:51] <greycat> If you want to chat with dpkg, please do it in /msg or /query
• 3049[18:34:57] <tsarompy> >:|
• 3050[18:34:58] <tsarompy> ok
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• 3052[18:35:31] <petn-randall> tsarompy, kang0, this is a Debian support channel. If you have any *Debian*-related questions, feel free to ask in here. Any other request please take to the channel where it is on-topic.
• 3053[18:35:36] <ioudas^working> Any of you guys messed with request tracker at all? Cant get the custom fields to show up on a ticket. No matter what i do on a new install. Single queue, single user.
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• 3055[18:35:41] <kang0> petn-randall tsaromp is bot?
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• 3057[18:35:51] <greycat> Fuck, now ioudas^working is back to repeat-spamming his initial question.
• 3058[18:36:01] <tsarompy> i aint no bot
• 3059[18:36:04] <ioudas^working> Oh noeees
• 3060[18:36:13] <kang0> Prove it tsarompy
• 3061[18:36:26] <tsarompy> i cant :(
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• 3063[18:36:28] <petn-randall> ioudas^working: If you don't get an answer of the course of a day, it might be a better approach to ask on the debian-user mailing list.
• 3064[18:36:37] <petn-randall> s/of/over/
• 3065[18:36:58] <ioudas^working> thank ya petn-randall. I will keep that in mind.
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• 3067[18:37:52] <petn-randall> greycat: Pleas try to keep it family-friendly in here. I mean, we'd be holding that against any users in here, too.
• 3068[18:38:00] <petn-randall> +e
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• 3090[18:45:04] <pastaman> Hey, i'm looking to create test packages for an application and i just wanted to know how the postinst detects if it is a fresh install or a package upgrade? I would like to have a different set of instructions if the package is only being upgraded
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• 3093[18:45:46] <hexhaxtron> greycat: I still didn't fix my permissions problem. Can you help me with that?
• 3094[18:45:51] <pastaman> would checking if the directory etc existing be a good way or is there a better way?
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• 3096[18:46:14] <greycat> hexhaxtron: I cannot reproduce your issue on nginx/wheezy at all.
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• 3098[18:46:33] <petn-randall> pastaman: IIRC your postinst scripti gets 'install', 'upgrade', etc. passed as first argument. You'd have to check the packaging docs for details.
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• 3101[18:46:57] <petn-randall> !packaging
• 3102[18:46:57] <dpkg> See replaced-url
• 3103[18:47:03] <petn-randall> pastaman: That also might help ^^^
• 3104[18:47:46] <hexhaxtron> greycat: can you spare 15 minutes with VNC or TeamViewer?
• 3105[18:47:57] <greycat> that's funny. ha ha.
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• 3107[18:48:02] <pastaman> petn-randall: thanks, i'll take a gander at it!
• 3108[18:49:00] *** debhelper sets mode: +l 1713
• 3109[18:49:33] <greycat> hexhaxtron: what's in your nginx config for the ~user/ stuff?
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• 3112[18:50:29] <hexhaxtron> greycat: replaced-url
• 3113[18:50:49] <hexhaxtron> greycat: line 50.
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• 3117[18:51:49] <greycat> hexhaxtron: no no no, that's in a http block. You need the one in the server block. Line 117 or so.
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• 3120[18:53:31] <hexhaxtron> greycat: what should I do?
• 3121[18:53:52] <greycat> oh, wait you have another server block at line 37 ... :(
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• 3124[18:54:29] <greycat> But they both say server_name localhost;
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• 3126[18:55:11] <greycat> Your indentation is utterly crazy. I can't tell what's where. The normal Debian nginx config has each server block in a separate file in sites-available/
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• 3129[18:56:01] <greycat> I can't tell whether your server block at line 104 is used *at all*.
• 3130[18:56:27] <hexhaxtron> greycat: I don't know what I did but I think that one is for thunix.org and the other for replaced-url
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• 3132[18:56:41] <greycat> Are those in vhosts.d/*.conf then?
• 3133[18:57:12] <hexhaxtron> I think not.
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• 3136[18:57:17] <greycat> Oh, you have TWO server_name lines in each server block. One at the top and one at the bottom. My god.
• 3137[18:57:28] <greycat> This is unreadable.
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• 3139[18:58:09] <hexhaxtron> greycat: can you fix it?
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• 3143[18:59:07] <greycat> Which virtual host are you using when you experience the problem? With or without replaced-url
• 3144[18:59:31] <greycat> I'm *guessing* the second server_name line wins and overwrites the first one in each block...
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• 3150[19:01:05] <hexhaxtron> greycat: with both.
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• 3154[19:02:43] <greycat> hexhaxtron: since I don't remember... what version of Debian, and what version of nginx?
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• 3158[19:03:22] <hexhaxtron> greycat: Debian 9 and nginx version: nginx/1.10.3
• 3159[19:03:25] <greycat> For anyone else trying to follow along: hexhaxtron claims that if he does "chmod 711 ~user" then nginx gives a 403 for domain/~user/file
• 3160[19:03:36] <hexhaxtron> Yup.
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• 3163[19:04:05] <hexhaxtron> That actually happens here for some reason.
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• 3191[19:14:15] <Irulan> hello. Since I upgraded to stretch, one of my xen hosts hangs every few days
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• 3193[19:14:29] <Irulan> here is the dmesg: replaced-url
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• 3198[19:15:39] <Irulan> I tried with linux-image-4.9.0-3-amd64 and linux-image-4.9.0-3-rt-amd64 ; and got the same behaviour
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• 3203[19:16:57] <tsarompy> lol
• 3204[19:17:03] <tsarompy> anyone getting any funky sudo errors
• 3205[19:17:30] <somiaj> why not share the error you are getting, use paste.debian.net if it is more than a single line
• 3206[19:17:38] <tsarompy> i set NOPASSWD in visudo and it randomly asks me for my password and then insists its wrong
• 3207[19:17:43] <tsarompy> oh just an observation
• 3208[19:17:46] <tsarompy> ill find a fix
• 3209[19:17:47] <Irulan> other guests do not hang this way (the hang is pretty definitive, machine is unresponsive from network and console. When it happens at night, machine is struck in the morning)
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• 3214[19:18:00] <greycat> hexhaxtron: I just installed nginx on this desktop machine, set up a VERY minimal /~user/ snippet in a server block for localhost, and tested. I can't reproduce your issue. chmod 711 ~ and it still loads the file.
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• 3216[19:19:22] <somiaj> tsarompy: you would need to give some actual info, what is the exact line you set in your sudoers file, are there any other lines/groups that could be taking presisence, etc.
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• 3222[19:20:24] <tsarompy> lol i found out what it was
• 3223[19:20:33] <tsarompy> for some reason my standard user account was removed from the group sudo
• 3224[19:20:34] <tsarompy> weird
• 3225[19:20:59] <Irulan> I have a few another debian guests on this host which works well (but they have WAY less services)
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• 3233[19:25:09] <nkuttler> meh, how do i get rid of python-minimal and get a real python2?
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• 3246[19:30:16] <jordanm> nkuttler: install the "python" package, but that doesn't get "rid" of -minimal, since -minimal is a dependency of the python2.7 package
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• 3251[19:31:19] <greycat> P.S. python is priority standard, so it should have been installed by default, unless you overrode the "standard" choice during install.
• 3252[19:31:25] <hexhaxtron> greycat: replaced-url
• 3253[19:31:35] <hexhaxtron> greycat: could it be the different groups?
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• 3256[19:32:02] <greycat> hexhaxtron: did you do "chmod -R" instead of "chmod"??!?
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• 3258[19:32:17] <hexhaxtron> greycat: no, just chmod alone.
• 3259[19:32:28] <greycat> Then why does your index.html file has 711 perms?
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• 3261[19:32:45] <hexhaxtron> To see if it would work...
• 3262[19:32:48] <greycat> Is your chmod an alias or something?
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• 3264[19:33:09] <hexhaxtron> I don't know.
• 3265[19:33:10] <greycat> /home/h/hexhaxtron/ should be 711 and replaced-url
• 3266[19:33:23] <hexhaxtron> Just a moment.
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• 3269[19:34:22] <hexhaxtron> greycat: I did that. I still get 403 Forbidden.
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• 3276[19:36:18] <hexhaxtron> greycat: I'm going to sleep. I'll be back tomorrow. See you!
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• 3286[19:44:57] <Tenkawa> hi all
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• 3323[20:00:53] <Optic> hey folks, is the pepperflash-nonfree package removed from stretch? is there an alternative?
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• 3327[20:01:20] <Optic> I the Flash related pages on the debian wiki don't have any Stretch info yet, that I've seen
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• 3330[20:01:34] <Optic> pepperflashplugin-nonfree, rather
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• 3339[20:05:23] <pbourne> any americans here?
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• 3341[20:05:36] <greycat> !ask
• 3342[20:05:36] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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• 3344[20:06:09] <pbourne> is it true that you can easily find yourself in debt for tens of thousands for hospital bills if you have a minor injury in the USA?
• 3345[20:06:26] <greycat> If you don't have a Debian question, please go somewhere else.
• 3346[20:06:30] <pbourne> ok
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• 3349[20:10:18] <ioudas^working> Any of you guys messed with request tracker at all? Cant get the custom fields to show up on a ticket. No matter what i do on a new install. Single queue, single user.
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• 3374[20:24:07] <allan_wind> What is the correct way to change systemd service files? I seem to have lost local changes.
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• 3378[20:25:01] <greycat> If you want to make major changes, copy the file from /lib/systemd/system into /etc/systemd/system and edit the copy.
• 3379[20:25:32] <greycat> If you want to override part of it, mkdir /etc/systemd/system/foobar.service.d/ and create a file whose name ends with .conf inside there and just put in the [section] and the one line you want to change.
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• 3384[20:26:57] <allan_wind> greycat: I just need to add an arg to ExecStart. Sounds like the latter part is the way to go. So my original service section has 4 command lines, so I just need to add the one line then, right?
• 3385[20:27:11] <greycat> [Service]
• 3386[20:27:15] <greycat> ExecStart=whatever
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• 3388[20:27:20] <allan_wind> yeah, sorry, what I meant
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• 3391[20:27:26] <allan_wind> how would I have figured this out myself?
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• 3393[20:27:45] <th0r> is there a place I can download the cd image for debian8?
• 3394[20:28:06] <allan_wind> th0r: yeah, easy to find from the home page
• 3395[20:28:12] <greycat> allan_wind: googling, or reading LOTS of man pages, because it's all in there, but it's buried in the heap of literally over one hundred man pages.
• 3396[20:28:39] <allan_wind> greycat: sigh, so not just me then. thx
• 3397[20:28:39] <greycat> wooledg:~$ dpkg -L systemd | grep -c /man
• 3398[20:28:39] <greycat> 181
• 3399[20:28:46] <th0r> allan_wind: I am on debian.org. I see the current cd's, but don't see any mention of jessie
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• 3403[20:30:12] <allan_wind> th0r: oh yeah, sorry, I missed the part of looking for old stable
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• 3405[20:30:38] <greycat> !archive
• 3406[20:30:38] <dpkg> archive is probably a collection of files. 'tar', 'ar', 'cpio' are all archiving tools. This is *not* the same as compression, which is a separate operation. Debian Archives is the repository for old Debian releases, see replaced-url
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• 3417[20:34:39] <allan_wind> greycat: is there a way to dryrun a service with my local conf file?
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• 3419[20:35:25] <greycat> Not quite sure what that means... you can read "man systemctl" to see what all the funny options are.
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• 3421[20:35:52] <allan_wind> greycat: testing if my change works, I guess, without waiting for the service which in this case is .timer
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• 3423[20:35:56] <Tenkawa> allan_wind: you mean like a dry-run test it right?
• 3424[20:36:06] <allan_wind> Tenkawa: yeah, exactly
• 3425[20:36:11] <Tenkawa> for syntax type stuff
• 3426[20:36:14] <greycat> My best guess is that he means a syntax verification without actually running anything.
• 3427[20:36:27] <esaym153> how do I find all packages that are install that have a version that contains "dmo"? (trying to remove deb-multimedia packages)
• 3428[20:36:48] <allan_wind> esaym153: I would do dpkg -l|grep dmo
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• 3436[20:40:16] <allan_wind> systemctl daemon-reload && systemctl show certbot shows me two ExecStart lines from the original .service file and from my .conf, so I guess I just assume the latter overrides the former and I am good.
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• 3438[20:40:51] <greycat> You might want to ask a systemd expert.
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• 3441[20:41:26] <greycat> Ah, here... replaced-url
• 3442[20:41:32] <greycat> ExecStart is *special* :-/
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• 3448[20:42:47] <allan_wind> greycat: *sigh*, I went from open mind to dislike to hating systemd
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• 3456[20:45:12] <allan_wind> as a user, what is the best way to communicate this sentiment back to project? I know this decision was contentious and even caused a fork
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• 3458[20:46:12] <greycat> Actually *using* a different init system, and making sure that people know it (e.g. participating in popularity-contest), perhaps.
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• 3463[20:47:34] <greycat> If 25% of Debian systems migrate from systemd to sysvinit or runit, that'll probably make an impact. More so than the one-millionth complaint.
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• 3466[20:47:53] * Tenkawa runs sysvinit
• 3467[20:48:51] <Tenkawa> then again I got my start on the original system v
• 3468[20:48:53] <Tenkawa> hehehe
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• 3472[20:49:22] <allan_wind> so
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• 3479[20:49:27] <allan_wind> did I
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• 3481[20:49:32] <Tenkawa> I still remember my old at&t and ncr boxes
• 3482[20:49:33] <Tenkawa> heheh
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• 3490[20:50:23] <allan_wind> popcon says 153k systemd, and 72k sysvinit. Is that the right packages to do systemd vs old style init?
• 3491[20:50:27] <teraflops> if youre kind of unix guy you gotta love runit
• 3492[20:50:40] <greycat> I've never tried runit yet.
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• 3494[20:50:52] <allan_wind> runit 2k, he
• 3495[20:50:54] <allan_wind> h
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• 3497[20:51:04] <Tenkawa> allan_wind: does popcon list sysvinit-core or just sysvinit?
• 3498[20:51:17] <teraflops> allan_wind: that means nothing :P
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• 3500[20:51:31] <allan_wind> sysvinit-core is 4k
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• 3502[20:51:48] <Tenkawa> yeah popcon is skewed then
• 3503[20:52:09] <Tenkawa> since I'm pretty sure you need sysvinit-core for actual /etc/inittab usage
• 3504[20:52:19] <Tenkawa> although I might be wrong
• 3505[20:52:32] <Tenkawa> usage being "primary" usage
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• 3509[20:52:48] <greycat> sysvinit-core is what the bot says to use for migration, so that sounds correct
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• 3514[20:53:06] <allan_wind> migration back to sysvinit?
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• 3517[20:53:24] <Tenkawa> yeah when you switch you have to install sysvinit-core
• 3518[20:53:38] <allan_wind> I don't haver either sysvinit or sysvinit-core on my systemd systems
• 3519[20:53:43] <allan_wind> (installed)
• 3520[20:53:49] <Tenkawa> then make sure /sbin/init is the binary for sysvinit
• 3521[20:54:00] <Tenkawa> I do.
• 3522[20:54:02] <greycat> !stretch sysvinit
• 3523[20:54:03] <dpkg> To replace systemd with sysvinit in stretch, simply "apt-get install sysvinit-core" and reboot. To switch from systemd to runit, "apt-get install runit-systemd", reboot, "apt-get install runit-init", and reboot again.
• 3524[20:54:08] <Tenkawa> Its the first thing I do
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• 3527[20:54:45] <Tenkawa> I have no need for sytemd
• 3528[20:54:48] <Tenkawa> er systemd
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• 3542[20:57:30] <allan_wind> The only thing official is that systemd is the default, right? Good chance that both runit and sysvinit will be around "forever', right?
• 3543[20:57:44] <johnkeates> i want launchd
• 3544[20:57:59] <allan_wind> johnkeates: didn't ubutn retract that?
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• 3548[20:58:02] <greycat> sysvinit and runit are not *entirely* supported in stretch. Most packages still ship init.d scripts but it's not a requirement.
• 3549[20:58:15] <allan_wind> *ugh*
• 3550[20:58:15] <greycat> (I don't really know how runit works.)
• 3551[20:58:16] <johnkeates> no, that was upstart
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• 3553[20:58:21] <allan_wind> got it
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• 3558[20:59:03] <insecurity> where are you going?
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• 3560[20:59:25] <teraflops> I never run runit on debian, I do it in void linux where it is the official init system
• 3561[20:59:26] <Tenkawa> whats launchd's improvement?
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• 3563[21:00:17] <allan_wind> replaced-url
• 3564[21:00:26] <allan_wind> first hit on that q
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• 3569[21:02:05] <allan_wind> Tenkawa: replaced-url
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• 3571[21:02:23] <Tenkawa> I've read the comparisons
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• 3573[21:02:29] <Tenkawa> my point is.. why
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• 3576[21:03:06] <Tenkawa> they are all still very similar
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• 3578[21:04:19] <Tenkawa> each has their owm +/-
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• 3580[21:04:42] <Tenkawa> I'm happy with what I'm using hehehe
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• 3585[21:07:29] <allan_wind> Tenkawa: sysvinit or did you go with runit?
• 3586[21:08:02] <allan_wind> never mind, teraflops was saying runit
• 3587[21:08:54] <Tenkawa> I like sysvinit personally
• 3588[21:09:30] <greycat> I abhor sysvinit. It is utter garbage.
• 3589[21:09:54] <greycat> The only reasonable reason to use it is because people have 20 years of experience working around its flaws.
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• 3594[21:10:24] <Tenkawa> greycat: if you just need a simple number of services running it is quite adequate
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• 3596[21:10:43] <tw> I usually just accept the default, whatever the OS default is (systemd these days for debian). If I have to build the OS myself, I usually go with busybox init.
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• 3599[21:11:15] <BluesKaj> who cares what kind of starter it has, as long as the car starts {-)
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• 3603[21:11:57] <Tenkawa> BluesKaj: yep
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• 3606[21:13:01] <allan_wind> BluesKaj: well, kinda... systemd had a recent root exploit, it doesn't play well with syslog (at least by default), systemd has a whole new set of tools and ways of making changes
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• 3609[21:14:05] <allan_wind> man -k systemd|wc -l is 150 on my system
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• 3611[21:14:43] <jmcnaught> sucks that it's so well documented… but this is a better topic for #debian-offtopic
• 3612[21:14:51] <thanatos-inc_> allan_wind: systemd has an unfixed root exploit? links to that, preferably from Debian BTS?
• 3613[21:15:08] <BluesKaj> the only reason I complained about systemd was where to set the dns nameserver IPs, once I found out , everything went fine
• 3614[21:15:24] <jmcnaught> thanatos-inc_: replaced-url
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• 3616[21:15:41] <greycat> It's not a "root exploit". It's just systemd being utterly stupid about handling usernames that start with a digit. Which is in turn a stupid thing to do.
• 3617[21:16:11] <allan_wind> jmcnaught: cool that debian has that info
• 3618[21:16:14] <thanatos-inc_> jmcnaught: tnx. greycat: ah, that thing. tnx, heard of that one.
• 3619[21:16:34] <greycat> You have to already *be* root to get the User=3Jane "bug" to happen and run the service as root, so there is no privilege escalation. Just a surprise.
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• 3622[21:17:22] <tw> replaced-url
• 3623[21:17:24] <greycat> (The actual behavior under discussion: User=xxx lines may sometimes be ignored, running the service as root.)
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• 3627[21:19:39] <trulu> greetings all
• 3628[21:19:43] <allan_wind> sorry, didn't mean to stir up a pot, just wanted to do the right thing as a plain old user which didn't have a say when there was a vote
• 3629[21:19:56] <trulu> I'm getting this error all the time while i'm installing in chroot stretch
• 3630[21:19:57] <trulu> stalling base packages. This will be re-attempted up to five times. W: See //debootstrap/debootstrap.log for details (possibly the package /var/cache/apt/archives/init_1.48_arm64.deb is at fault)
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• 3632[21:20:56] <jmcnaught> trulu: are there any details in that log? what is the debootstap command that you used?
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• 3639[21:23:33] <tw> greycat: what's the correct behavior there? I'd expect it to not run the unit at all because User is invalid.
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• 3641[21:23:45] <julius> why are there no kernel headers for 4.8.0 shown by apt search linux-headers ?
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• 3643[21:24:02] <greycat> replaced-url
• 3644[21:24:11] <jmcnaught> julius: because stretch has kernel 4.9, i asked you last night why are you still on 4.8?
• 3645[21:24:17] <greycat> because the 4.8.0 kernel was replaced by 4.9.0
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• 3647[21:24:44] <greycat> you'll have to dig the headers out of the same snapshot/archive where you dug up that old kernel
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• 3649[21:24:55] <greycat> or if it's self-built, then you should have built the headers also
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• 3653[21:28:08] <trulu> @jmcnaught no just that
• 3654[21:28:22] <trulu> W: Failure while installing base packages. This will be re-attempted up to five times. W: See //debootstrap/debootstrap.log for details (possibly the package /var/cache/apt/archives/init_1.48_arm64.deb is at fault) W: Failure while installing base packages. This will be re-attempted up to five times. W: See //debootstrap/debootstrap.log for details (possibly the package /var/cache/apt/archives/init_1.48_arm64.deb is at fault) W: Fail
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• 3656[21:28:42] <tw> poettering politics, best not to think about it. Effectively he says a parse failure is ignored and this is not a defect, but a valid line with non-present user will fail the service. Odd behavioral choice.
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• 3658[21:29:21] <trulu> where are the deboostgrap logs I don't see them
• 3659[21:29:59] <Tenkawa> trulu: find / -type f -name "debootstrap.log"
• 3660[21:30:31] <Tenkawa> how many show up?
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• 3662[21:31:55] <trulu> lleywellyn@ubuntu-mini-server:~/os-rootfs-debian-stretch$ sudo find / -type f -name "debootstrap.log" lleywellyn@ubuntu-mini-server:~/os-rootfs-debian-stretch$
• 3663[21:31:58] <trulu> zero
• 3664[21:32:24] <Tenkawa> and thats the machine you ran debootstrap from?
• 3665[21:32:49] <jmcnaught> trulu: the log is not in the root of the target?
• 3666[21:32:54] <Tenkawa> intriguing
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• 3669[21:35:01] <jmcnaught> trulu: "grep deboostrap.log $(which debootstrap)" shows it is writing to $TARGET/debootstrap/debootstrap.log
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• 3671[21:35:33] <jmcnaught> oh and then moves it to /var/log/bootstrap.log at some point
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• 3673[21:35:40] <Tenkawa> jmcnaught: that find I gave him shouldve found it anywhere on the machine
• 3674[21:36:12] <tw> note missing "de" at the beginning of the logfile name.
• 3675[21:36:12] <Tenkawa> and thats why i'm intrigued that theres no files being found at all
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• 3677[21:36:16] <trulu> I'm running in ubuntu inside virtualbox
• 3678[21:36:28] <trulu> Within Windows 10
• 3679[21:36:43] <julius> jmcnaught: yes sorry..i answered maybe a day later
• 3680[21:37:03] <trulu> jmcnaught: the command is running
• 3681[21:37:05] <julius> jmcnaught: because 4.9 something didnt want to boot from my encrypted lvm, wasnt able to find it
• 3682[21:37:08] <Tenkawa> trulu: make sure to make that find whatever the filename match the name of the file its looking for if i typed it wrong
• 3683[21:37:13] <trulu> jmcnaught: I think it will take some time
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• 3689[21:39:04] <jmcnaught> trulu: open another terminal and look for ./var/log/bootstrap.log and ./debootstrap/debootstrap.log inside the target directory while find is working
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• 3694[21:40:35] <jmcnaught> julius: is it something like you were on testing and had trouble with a new kernel, so reverted to an older one and have not upgraded since?
• 3695[21:41:48] <trulu> there is nothing
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• 3698[21:42:22] <trulu> jmcnaught: this is the project I'm trying to generate a debian stretch root fs
• 3699[21:42:23] <trulu> replaced-url
• 3700[21:42:24] <rapha> debhelper: !stretchsources
• 3701[21:42:29] <rapha> Hmm...
• 3702[21:42:50] <greycat> jmcnaught: I'm guessing "ran testing before stretch was released, got 4.8.0, never finished upgrading to stretch"
• 3703[21:42:52] <rapha> What was the command again to get the list of the default stretch sources.list from the bot?
• 3704[21:43:02] <trulu> jmcnaught: Try it yourself it doesn't work
• 3705[21:43:03] <jelly> !stretch sources.list
• 3706[21:43:04] <dpkg> A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for "Stretch" has three lines: "deb replaced-url
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• 3709[21:43:13] <trulu> jmcnaught: first you have to do make build
• 3710[21:43:14] <rapha> Tenkawa: jmcnaught: btw the tablet that was so much trouble yesterday has fully working wifi now :)
• 3711[21:43:19] <rapha> Thank you jelly!
• 3712[21:43:24] <trulu> jmcnaught: and then you can make arm64-debian
• 3713[21:43:29] <jmcnaught> trulu: i used debootstrap the other day with no problem, but i didn't need to check its logs
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• 3715[21:44:04] <jmcnaught> trulu: and $TARGET/var/log/bootstrap.log exists for me
• 3716[21:44:30] <Tenkawa> rapha: cool :)
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• 3718[21:45:34] <trulu> jmcnaught: I looked and could not find anything
• 3719[21:45:39] <jmcnaught> trulu: i would change this line to "replaced-url
• 3720[21:45:45] <jmcnaught> trulu: replaced-url
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• 3723[21:46:41] <jmcnaught> rapha: FYI the debian wiki has a page about sources.list with an example you can copy/paste easier than from IRC. Checking the wiki before IRC is a good idea
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• 3726[21:48:07] <trulu> jmcnaught: Ok let me test with the new url
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• 3734[21:52:29] <trulu> jmcnaught: It is in second stage now !
• 3735[21:52:39] <trulu> jmcnaught: Let's see if it works
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• 3745[21:55:19] <rapha> jmcnaught: No copy-pasting here, sir. It's manual labour the old fashioned way.
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• 3747[21:55:51] <rapha> !stretch mirrors
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• 3752[21:58:15] <jmcnaught> dpkg: tell rapha about self tell
• 3753[21:58:56] <jmcnaught> rapha: search for factoids here replaced-url
• 3754[21:59:19] <greycat> or if you KNOW the name of the factoid, just /msg dpkg stretch sources.list
• 3755[21:59:23] <LtL> rapha: replaced-url
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• 3757[22:02:14] <trulu> jmcnaught: I: Unpacking libxapian30:arm64... W: Failure while installing base packages. This will be re-attempted up to five times. W: See //debootstrap/debootstrap.log for details (possibly the package /var/cache/apt/archives/init_1.48_arm64.deb is at fault) W: Failure while installing base packages. This will be re-attempted up to five times. W: See //debootstrap/debootstrap.log for details (possibly the package /var/cache/apt/arch
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• 3759[22:02:43] <trulu> jmcnaught: it is building on qemu for arm64 let's not forget
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• 3761[22:04:21] <jmcnaught> trulu: have you checked the BTS for bugs on the packages mentioned in the error message? Still no logs?
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• 3764[22:05:30] <trulu> jmcnaught: lleywellyn@ubuntu-mini-server:~/os-rootfs-debian-stretch$ sudo find / -name debootstrap /home/lleywellyn/image-builder-odroid-c2-mainline/build/usr/share/docker-engine/contrib/mkimage/debootstrap /usr/share/docker.io/contrib/mkimage/debootstrap /var/lib/docker/aufs/diff/f9e5869e0e1875feb2f01bc4a3e54e7e328431aa7b3c9eaae90e6d57171cd562/usr/share/doc/debootstrap /var/lib/docker/aufs/diff/f9e5869e0e1875feb2f01bc4a3e54e7e328431aa
• 3765[22:06:02] <trulu> jmcnaught: still no logs
• 3766[22:06:10] <rapha> jmcnaught: Ah, thanks! :)
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• 3768[22:06:24] <Tenkawa> umm
• 3769[22:06:32] <Tenkawa> that find doesnt look right
• 3770[22:06:45] <jmcnaught> where is /usr/sbin/debootstrap?
• 3771[22:06:59] <Tenkawa> I dont see anything ".log"
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• 3774[22:07:58] <trulu> jmcnaught: I just did sudo apt-get install debootstrap
• 3775[22:08:04] <trulu> and It installed something
• 3776[22:08:28] <trulu> jmanfatty: lleywellyn@ubuntu-mini-server:~/os-rootfs-debian-stretch$ sudo apt-get install debootstrap Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done The following NEW packages will be installed: debootstrap 0 upgraded, 1 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. Need to get 36.7 kB of archives. After this operation, 258 kB of additional disk space will be used. Get:1 replaced-url
• 3777[22:08:31] <jmcnaught> just now? so was it using a third party debootstrap?
• 3778[22:08:47] <trulu> maybe it is using docker
• 3779[22:09:19] <trulu> jmcnaught: yeah look at the Makefile
• 3780[22:09:24] <trulu> jmcnaught: replaced-url
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• 3815[22:27:01] <HeXiLeD> i have a problem with an HP printer and debian. Is there a unofficial or testing repo for the hplip drivers ? currently i am with Version: 3.16.11+repack0-1~bpo8+1
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• 3822[22:29:41] <Brigo> ,v hplip
• 3823[22:29:42] <judd> Package: hplip on amd64 -- wheezy: 3.12.6-3.1+deb7u1; wheezy-security: 3.12.6-3.1+deb7u2; jessie: 3.14.6-1+deb8u1; jessie-backports: 3.16.11+repack0-1~bpo8+1; stretch: 3.16.11+repack0-3; sid: 3.17.6+repack0-2; buster: 3.17.6+repack0-2
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• 3832[22:32:19] <trulu> jmcnaught: I'm back
• 3833[22:32:50] <trulu> jmcnaught: grep deboostrap.log $(which debootstrap) didn't returned anything it is pending freeze
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• 3838[22:34:09] <jmcnaught> trulu: where is debootstrap (the first one in the path)? I would test using the Debian bootstrap, and/or ask the Docker people while logging was removed from theirs
• 3839[22:35:02] <trulu> jmcnaught: it is inside the docker container
• 3840[22:35:10] <trulu> jmcnaught: Everything is done in Docker
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• 3842[22:35:20] <trulu> jmcnaught: It seems like that
• 3843[22:35:23] <trulu> jmcnaught: replaced-url
• 3844[22:36:08] <trulu> jmcnaught: arm64-debian: build docker run --rm $(DEFAULT_OPTS) -e BUILD_ARCH=arm64 -e QEMU_ARCH=aarch64 -e TRAVIS_TAG -e HYPRIOT_OS_VERSION -v $(shell pwd):/workspace --privileged rootfs-builder
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• 3847[22:37:17] <jmcnaught> trulu: inside the docker container you cannot force debootstrap to install and call it by absolute path? Any luck checking the BTS for the packages mentioned in the error?
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• 3850[22:37:45] <trulu> jmcnaught: I have no idea
• 3851[22:37:55] <trulu> jmcnaught: What is BTS
• 3852[22:38:16] <greycat> bug tracking system
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• 3854[22:39:06] <trulu> jmcnaught: I don't know where is the BTS didn't checked
• 3855[22:39:35] <greycat> !bts
• 3856[22:39:36] <dpkg> Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, replaced-url
• 3857[22:39:37] <jmcnaught> trulu: replaced-url
• 3858[22:40:01] <ForceRecon> debian needs to be more understanding that if you change something in the bios after install it should make the change and not just black screen
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• 3860[22:41:09] <trulu> jmcnaught: let me see that link
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• 3862[22:41:46] <trulu> jmcnaught: replaced-url
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• 3864[22:44:45] <jmcnaught> hmmm… i was going to suggest trying this outside of Docker, but qemu-debootstrap doesn't seem to be in stretch
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• 3868[22:46:09] <jmcnaught> oh it's in qemu-user-static package
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• 3871[22:47:54] <AciD`> hey guys, when I plug an external SSD (in an Advance box), I get this in dmesg : replaced-url
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• 3875[22:48:48] <jmcnaught> AciD`: is it listed by "udisksctl status"?
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• 3891[22:55:43] <paqcito> Hello. Is anyone on here who knows about virtualization? I've been reading about it, I also want to say I'm very new with all these stuff. I've got linux on my computer since last week. I understand the difference bewteen hypervisor type 1 and type 2, like how to administrate them, but... I dont understand what is the perk of the type 1 when people talk about hardware compatibility. Is there some source where I can read? I've been go
• 3892[22:55:47] <paqcito> dont understand.
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• 3894[22:56:22] <paqcito> Hello. Is anyone on here who knows about virtualization? I've been reading about it, I also want to say I'm very new with all these stuff. I've got linux on my computer since last week. I understand the difference bewteen hypervisor type 1 and type 2, like how to administrate them, but... I dont understand what is the perk of the type 1 when people talk about hardware compatibility. Is there some source where I can read? I've been go
• 3895[22:56:25] <paqcito> dont understand.
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• 3897[22:57:32] <jmcnaught> paqcito: did you read the wikipedia article about virtualization?
• 3898[22:57:42] <paqcito> jmcnaught: yes
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• 3900[22:58:01] <paqcito> I've been googling for 3 days, i'm sick of reading and dont understand the difference.
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• 3902[22:58:26] <paqcito> I can crealy see some obvious difference, but I dont understand about compatibility
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• 3904[22:58:45] <jmcnaught> paqcito: what compatibility issues are you concerned about? what are you trying to accomplish?
• 3905[22:58:47] <l4m8d4> Is debian-next not on freenode anymore?
• 3906[22:59:07] <jmcnaught> l4m8d4: it's been on irc.oftc.net for a real long time
• 3907[22:59:10] <jelly> l4m8d4, not in the last decade
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• 3909[22:59:31] <l4m8d4> Seems strange to me that one is on freenode and one on oftc
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• 3912[23:00:03] <jelly> it _is_ strange. This channel is the exception, everything else is on irc.debian.org = irc.oftc.net
• 3913[23:00:44] <HeXiLeD> is there backports for buster?
• 3914[23:01:05] <paqcito> jmcnaught: I've been reading and watching some videos where they speak about the perks of hyper type1. But what about it? If I have a VM type-2 on my personal computer and I take it on a USB and run it on another computer when Im travelling, is there any posibility there is hardware incompatility? Thats what I understod doesnt happen with H-Type1.
• 3915[23:01:09] <jmcnaught> HeXiLeD: no, backports are for stable releases, buster is still testing (and only just got started)
• 3916[23:01:13] <paqcito> Dunno how or why, what
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• 3919[23:02:09] <AciD`> jmcnaught > I see "ASMT 2105 0 00000000000000000000 sdc", so yes, but no serial, isn't odd?
• 3920[23:02:21] <jmcnaught> paqcito: i would put the differences between types of hypervisors aside for the moment and tell use what you're trying to do with VMs right now. Are you just trying to get started with using them?
• 3921[23:02:37] <jmcnaught> AciD`: yeah, seems odd. did you try "fdisk /dev/sdc"?
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• 3924[23:03:03] <Silmaril> paqcito: the difference is merely of implementation, you shouldn't worry about this in early experimentation stages
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• 3926[23:03:19] <AciD`> doing it now
• 3927[23:03:54] <AciD`> "fdisk: cannot open /dev/sdc: No medium found", this is weird
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• 3931[23:04:45] <AciD`> could that be a faulty usb controller?
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• 3933[23:05:16] <jmcnaught> AciD`: maybe. is there more about it in the logs now?
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• 3936[23:06:38] <paqcito> jmcnaught: i tried already but there werent any type of incompatibily, but both of my PCs are dell, so probably they got similiar hardware
• 3937[23:06:49] <paqcito> also thats what people said, not me
• 3938[23:07:04] <AciD`> jmcnaught > not much, I do see that : replaced-url
• 3939[23:07:09] <paqcito> Silmaril: I got you. Im just trying to understand whats going on
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• 3943[23:08:01] <paqcito> Since I got "late". Im trying to become a sysadmin but theres a lot of technologies right now. There isnt just virtualization now, there is also containers
• 3944[23:08:09] <jmcnaught> paqcito: what hypervisor are you using, and which guest OS are you talking about? Moving Debian VM images around between virtualization hosts is unlikely to cause issues
• 3945[23:08:23] <Silmaril> paqcito: it's merely a dictionnary/definition issue
• 3946[23:08:41] <Silmaril> as with Tier networks or datacenter
• 3947[23:08:41] <trulu> jmcnaught: I don't know what to do from here
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• 3951[23:10:05] <paqcito> jmcnaught: Im using VirtualBox H-Type2. Host: Ubuntu. Guest: Debian, Arch, Ubuntu, CentOS. Ive tried many of them.
• 3952[23:10:27] <jmcnaught> trulu: if it were me I would use a Debian system to install qemu-debootstrap (in the qemu-user-static package) and try reproducing the issue there. If you get the same error, you may at least get some logging information about it.
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• 3956[23:10:42] <paqcito> Silmaril: Kinda worried when have no experience on this, started just a couple of days ago and trying to get the most knowledge so start working on IT
• 3957[23:11:24] <trulu> don't you have linux on your pc ?
• 3958[23:11:31] <trulu> or Debian
• 3959[23:11:57] <jmcnaught> trulu: i'm not particularly interested in debootstrapping with qemu at the moment, you can do it though right?
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• 3963[23:12:19] <trulu> I'm running everything in VirtualBox
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• 3965[23:12:31] <trulu> I don't have any real debian OS on my pc
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• 3968[23:12:57] <tw> AciD`: i'd unplug the USB from the PC, unplug/replug the hdd in the enclosure, then try again. If your host controller port was bad on the PC, it probably wouldn't iterate at all (wouldn't get USB device descriptor).
• 3969[23:13:07] <jmcnaught> trulu: install a Debian VM in VirtualBox, you're likely to run into situations where it's useful to have one again
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• 3971[23:13:31] <AciD`> tw > ok, trying
• 3972[23:13:37] <trulu> is there a really small mini debian distro for Virtualbox somewhere ?
• 3973[23:13:40] <tw> AciD`: If the ASMT2105 is integrated, then it's likely your device/drive is bad.
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• 3975[23:14:11] <AciD`> the ssd is an OCZ vertex iirc
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• 3977[23:14:20] <jmcnaught> trulu: install using the normal netinst installer image, you don't need to install a desktop environment when it asks
• 3978[23:14:32] <trulu> ok
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• 3985[23:15:59] <AciD`> well, I do not have access to screwdrivers now, so I'll try later
• 3986[23:16:05] <AciD`> thank you guys for your help
• 3987[23:16:26] <trulu> jmcnaught: Found this replaced-url
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• 3990[23:17:56] <jmcnaught> trulu: use this: replaced-url
• 3991[23:18:19] <jmcnaught> trulu: the point is testing actual Debian, not someone else's modified Debian
• 3992[23:18:28] <trulu> ok
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• 3996[23:21:17] <trulu> jmcnaught: which of the 3 version should I download
• 3997[23:21:51] <jmcnaught> trulu: "Small CDs or USB sticks", the amd64 one
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• 4001[23:22:31] <jmcnaught> why not just use the docker VM though, it's running Debian isn't it?
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• 4005[23:24:14] <trulu> jmcnaught: I'm in there is Graphical Install and Install
• 4006[23:25:50] <jmcnaught> trulu: the debian installer is pretty easy to use, but if you have trouble consult the install manual: replaced-url
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• 4010[23:27:24] <trulu> jmcnaught: I choosed Install instead of graphical install
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• 4015[23:27:59] <Lope> Hey guys, I've rsync'd a root fs from a partition install to a LVM.
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• 4017[23:28:17] <Lope> I've got the PV inside /dev/sda1
• 4018[23:28:27] <Lope> I managed to install grub to the drive and update grub
• 4019[23:28:34] <Lope> But i forgot to regen the initramfs.
• 4020[23:28:43] <Lope> I'm having trouble doing that.
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• 4022[23:28:54] <Lope> For now the PC boots the kernel, but then the kernal can't mount root.
• 4023[23:29:08] <Lope> it says the lv doesn't exist at that point.
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• 4025[23:29:20] <jim> is there a way to tell the regenator to put the device mapper into the initrd?
• 4026[23:29:20] <Lope> `mkinitramfs`
• 4027[23:29:26] <Lope> does nothing and just shows me usage.
• 4028[23:29:54] <Lope> If I run update-initramfs -u` it says "update-initramfs is disabled since running on read only media" (the boot disk)
• 4029[23:30:06] <Lope> But I'm running it inside the chroot, so it shouldn't block me like that.
• 4030[23:30:22] <jmcnaught> Lope: did you do bind mounts to /dev /proc and /sys?
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• 4033[23:30:39] <Lope> yes
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• 4035[23:31:21] <Lope> I also had to do bind mounts for /usr/sbin and /usr/lib/grub to get grub-install to run successfully.
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• 4037[23:31:25] <Lope> maybe that's interfering.
• 4038[23:31:28] <Lope> I'll unmount them.
• 4039[23:31:32] <jim> so then maybe the root LV isn't in an activated VG
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• 4041[23:32:07] <jmcnaught> it's more likely that the old initrd doesn't have the LVM stuff it need in it
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• 4043[23:32:22] <jim> is there a dev/volgrpname in the chroot?
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• 4046[23:32:31] <Lope> okay it started doing stuff now that I unmounted those 2 dirs.
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• 4050[23:33:03] <Lope> It complained about mising modules for my custom compiled kernel hehe.
• 4051[23:33:10] <Lope> I'm not sure if that's a problem?
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• 4054[23:33:37] <Lope> could not open /lib/modules/customkernel: no such dir
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• 4056[23:33:50] <Lope> oh, fatal it says.
• 4057[23:34:18] <Lope> wondering why it didn't get the modules :/
• 4058[23:34:23] <jim> oh, the dm isn't one of the modules in there? (note, debian usually makes the kernels with compiling as many modules as possible
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• 4060[23:34:40] <fugue> Howdy, I've got a debian installer I have access to (console and via ssh server). Is there a way to change the text that is displayed on console? (ie that little box)
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• 4062[23:34:53] <jim> can you use a debian-compiled kernel?
• 4063[23:35:17] <Lope> I'm looking in the dir it referred to, and the modules dir does exist.
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• 4070[23:36:35] <Lope> oh, the kernel it's complaining about, I've removed.
• 4071[23:36:42] <Lope> it's one of my old custom kernels.
• 4072[23:36:45] <jim> the initrd regen process kinda depends on having the kernel compiled using the debian process, i.e., into a debian package
• 4073[23:36:55] <Lope> So I've just gotta remove the old reference wherever that's coming from.
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• 4077[23:37:20] <Lope> the old initrd images
• 4078[23:37:23] <Lope> gonna delete them.
• 4079[23:37:34] <jim> I don't recommend that,
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• 4082[23:38:21] <jim> they belong to a package
• 4083[23:38:42] <Lope> it's still looking for the old kernel modules
• 4084[23:39:00] <jim> so install the old kernel package
• 4085[23:39:09] <Lope> No I mean I custom compiled a.b.c and then later I compiled and used a.b.d
• 4086[23:39:19] <Lope> and some a.b.c stuff is missing
• 4087[23:39:26] <Lope> I want to remove the a.b.c kernel
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• 4089[23:39:33] <Lope> These are kernels I compiled myself.
• 4090[23:39:43] <Lope> there's no package
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• 4092[23:40:06] <Lope> oops, there are packages.
• 4093[23:40:08] <Lope> will remove them
• 4094[23:40:23] <jim> are you booted into your debian atm?
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• 4101[23:42:11] <jim> what did you need to have, that you compiled a custom kernel for? did that custom compile build a debian package out of the results of the compile?
• 4102[23:42:32] <Lope> it's still looking for the old kernel :/
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• 4104[23:42:36] <loeken> reinstalling server network will go down for a bit
• 4105[23:42:45] <Lope> maybe it's in the grub config
• 4106[23:42:58] <Lope> I'm booted into a ubuntu boot USB
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• 4108[23:43:29] <Lope> I compiled the custom kernel to get docker user cgroups working before it was mainline
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• 4110[23:43:48] <jim> it's hard to help when communication is broken
• 4111[23:43:50] <Lope> now I despise docker, but that's another story :p
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• 4113[23:44:15] <Lope> when I run `update-initramfs -u`
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• 4119[23:44:22] <Lope> it complains about my old kernels files missing
• 4120[23:44:32] <Lope> I want to remove whatever reference that it's picking up for that
• 4121[23:44:33] <fugue> I pretty much want to get rid/customize this box: replaced-url
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• 4123[23:44:35] <jim> oh ok, can you live without that for a minute?
• 4124[23:44:42] <Lope> it's not appearing in dpkg -l | grep foo
• 4125[23:45:08] <Lope> jim: you're probably going to suggest I install a normal kernel.
• 4126[23:45:16] <Lope> but that won't get me out of this situation.
• 4127[23:45:37] <Lope> `update-initramfs -u` won't complete because of a half removed kernel.
• 4128[23:45:42] <Lope> I need to purge the remains of it.
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• 4130[23:46:19] <jim> you could be right about that, and, if you reboot into that kernel, it could help... you copied stuff to the / LV before, is the original copy still in place?
• 4131[23:46:44] <Lope> jim the original is gone
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• 4133[23:46:51] <Lope> There's no way back, only forward
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• 4135[23:47:03] <jim> dang...
• 4136[23:47:16] <Lope> I deleted whatever files from the old kernel that it's complaining about
• 4137[23:47:24] <Lope> and never ran any initramfs update since.
• 4138[23:47:41] <jim> do you have enough space in your volume group to install another debian?
• 4139[23:48:16] <jim> you probably wouldn't need anything from /home
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• 4141[23:48:30] <Lope> jim: hehe I could certainly do that but I'm sure this is a trivial thing
• 4142[23:48:43] <Lope> I just want to remove this old reference to the old kernel.
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• 4145[23:49:10] <jim> how did you remove the old kernel?
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• 4150[23:50:47] <jim> (to others, sorry for the extra noise, I thought we could get some extra help from debian folks, but this guy's system could be too far gone)
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• 4165[23:52:16] <jim> Lope, there's a -lot- of moving parts that (1) are involved here, and (2) need to be present to make this stuff work
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• 4167[23:53:21] <jelly> Lope, however, installing a complete copy of a different kernel will make the need to update initramfs for the current one not needed
• 4168[23:53:32] <jelly> bad sentence.
• 4169[23:53:36] <jim> I'm not saying you have to leave it this way forever, and you can get your custom kernel working, but some debian pieces need to be present in order to do that (and I'm not even sure what they all are)
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• 4178[23:55:40] <jim> Lope, and I don't doubt your ability to get your installation fixed, it's just that there could be other things you can do
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• 4180[23:56:10] <jelly> Lope, pastebin the complete output of "uname -a" and "update-initramfs -u" and "ls -la /boot/" for good measure
• 4181[23:56:31] <jelly> and yes I'm aware you're going to get uname -a from whatever livecd
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• 4183[23:56:42] <jim> some of the things you did burned bridges behind you, and that's kinda unfortunate
• 4184[23:57:31] <jim> some ubuntu live no doubt
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• 4187[23:57:41] <Lope> Yeah, gonna try a few more things.
• 4188[23:57:49] <Lope> I'm trying to run apt-get update inside the chroot.
• 4189[23:57:54] <Lope> it's failing to make a temp file
• 4190[23:57:58] <Lope> but it doesn't say where.
• 4191[23:58:03] <Lope> any ideas?
• 4192[23:58:09] <jelly> Lope, show the actual output
• 4193[23:58:17] <Lope> mkstemp something
• 4194[23:58:20] <jim> sounds like maybe your / partition is ro
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• 4196[23:58:41] <jelly> Lope, no, please pastebin or screenshot the whole command you ran and its complete output
• 4197[23:58:51] <Lope> E: Could't create temp file to work with /var/lib/apt/lists/...
• 4198[23:58:55] <Lope> it's a diff machine
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• 4200[23:59:21] <jelly> that does not look like the complete output
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