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• 3[00:00:48] <oo_miguel> I plan to install debian9 to a virtual box vdi image and later use it as a template for multiple virtual boxes. however I will need to change the hostname provided during the installation. Is it just a matter of adjusting /etc/hostname? or will i have to change other settings too? network configuraiton is provided via dhcp
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• 5[00:01:13] <dpyro> when i get the "oh no something has gone wrong" screen, is that a kernel panic?
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• 8[00:01:42] <mtn> dpyro, no, it is a gnome video driver problem ;)
• 9[00:01:56] <oo_miguel> lol
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• 16[00:03:29] <dpyro> where would the log files for that hiding?
• 17[00:04:15] <mtn> dpyro, what is your video card and driver? you need acceleration for gnome3 to be happy
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• 20[00:05:39] <jelly> oo_miguel, no, there's more. /etc/{hosts,hostname,mailname}, /etc/postfix/main.cf if you use postfix; if your systems are on different networks, you may also need to allow ssh or other tcp_wrapper access from different sources, so /etc/hosts.allow, different dns recursors available? /etc/resolv.conf
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• 24[00:08:57] <oo_miguel> jelly: ok, thank you very much
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• 30[00:18:29] <jelly> that list is not exhaustive
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• 32[00:18:49] <dpyro> mtn: i did apt-get purge nouveau and i think that killed the 3d acceleration libs
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• 34[00:19:06] <dpyro> i'm using the integrated intel graphics for my displayout
• 35[00:19:32] <mtn> dpyro, read the appropriate debian wiki for your video card/s
• 36[00:19:54] <oo_miguel> jelly: I will start with it, and come back here if I can not fix upcoming issues, thanks
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• 39[00:21:24] <dpyro> mtn: i did but i am not successful so far
• 40[00:21:57] <dpyro> nvidia-driver or even just dkms results in "oh no!"
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• 45[00:23:11] <dpyro> even if i remove the nvidia hardware
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• 75[00:41:32] <jellycode2> Hi, I'm trying to find a way to override options in a generated dnsmasq.conf without manually changing those options.
• 76[00:43:11] <jellycode2> Tomato firmware uses a GUI to configure DNSMASQ. The GUI of course overrides any manual configuration you might do. My problem is that need DHCP to run on interface br0, but not to hand out IP addresses, just to hand out additional DHCP options.
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• 78[00:45:29] <jmcnaught> jellycode2: you could try openwrt instead of tomato, but this isn't really a Debian support issue
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• 83[00:47:36] <jellycode2> Thanks! Actually, i just found an option "Ignore DHCP requests from unknown devices". So , now I realize, i can give it a scope which is required by the UI, and add the custom dnsmasq options to ignore hosts based on a number of criteria.
• 84[00:47:56] <dpyro> if its a router thing the configuration for that sort of thing is usually stored in the nvrram
• 85[00:48:05] <dpyro> *nvram
• 86[00:48:28] <dpyro> which overrides any options in text files
• 87[00:48:55] <jellycode2> Right, when trying to fight with a GUI configuration mechanism, there's always the chance someone will make a change on the page, and when they save, your manual changes are overwritten.
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• 89[00:49:05] <jellycode2> Tomato is nice in that it gives you a section for adding custom options.
• 90[00:49:27] <jellycode2> However, i could not see a way (until just now) to get my desired effect.
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• 118[01:04:46] <oo_miguel> hmmm I get the same /etc/machine-id generated inside two virtualboxes. what can I do about it?
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• 120[01:05:41] <oo_miguel> i run systemd-machine-id-setup but exactly the same id is generated on both debians
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• 126[01:07:44] <dpyro> maybe it comes from the detected hardware?
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• 128[01:08:06] <oo_miguel> i assigend different mac addresses to eth0
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• 131[01:08:14] <oo_miguel> but the rest of the hardware is indeed identical
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• 147[01:14:15] <afidegnum> hi, is there a way to automatically generate exim4 settings for outlook and thunderbird?
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• 173[01:28:55] <abrotman> afidegnum: generate? in what way? what would be the output?
• 174[01:29:46] <afidegnum> ok, i m having problem
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• 176[01:29:50] <afidegnum> i can't send email from exim
• 177[01:30:11] <afidegnum> from teh error logs it shows the mails have been sucessfully sent but the recepients doesn't get them
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• 179[01:31:01] <jim> hi... what's the status of virtualbox? is it packaged for debian?
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• 182[01:32:19] <missmbob> !virtualbox
• 183[01:32:19] <dpkg> Oracle VM VirtualBox is an almost free software virtual machine solution. To install, see replaced-url
• 184[01:32:25] <missmbob> see the wiki
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• 186[01:33:28] <afidegnum> jim: yes
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• 188[01:34:03] <abrotman> afidegnum: show us the log, use paste.debian.net
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• 190[01:34:54] <afidegnum> replaced-url
• 191[01:35:35] <abrotman> and what do the logs say on the other side?
• 192[01:36:00] <abrotman> or that is your server?
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• 196[01:36:22] <abrotman> this "newgracefoundgh.org" is your exim system?
• 197[01:36:35] <afidegnum> yes
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• 200[01:37:03] <afidegnum> i just added this domain name to have it's own email account on the server
• 201[01:37:14] <abrotman> afidegnum: okay, and what log is that from? mail.log ?
• 202[01:37:18] <afidegnum> other domains could also have some mail accoutn too
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• 204[01:37:39] <afidegnum> /var/log/exim4/mainlog
• 205[01:38:02] <abrotman> what's in /var/log/mail.log? anything?
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• 210[01:40:34] <afidegnum> abrotman: this is what i have on the mail.log replaced-url
• 211[01:40:47] <jim> missmbob, afidegnum, thanks, I'm checking it out now
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• 213[01:41:21] <abrotman> afidegnum: where on the filesystem did you look for the mail?
• 214[01:41:32] <afidegnum> /var/vmail
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• 217[01:42:07] <abrotman> have you checked other locations
• 218[01:42:08] <abrotman> ?
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• 222[01:43:11] <afidegnum> yes
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• 224[01:43:43] <afidegnum> that's the only account created in that folder
• 225[01:43:55] <abrotman> But it has no mail
• 226[01:44:12] <abrotman> I meant, have you looked in /var/spool/mail/ or in /home/
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• 228[01:44:48] <afidegnum> /var/mail contain an ssh email testing accoutn from postmaster
• 229[01:44:55] <afidegnum> but inside /var/vmail
• 230[01:44:59] <afidegnum> i have newgracefound
• 231[01:45:06] <afidegnum> let me check on var/spool
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• 233[01:47:45] <afidegnum> abrotman: inside spool i have symlink of mail, and exim4
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• 240[01:54:31] <dirac1> Guys the systemd-resolved issue has been fixed?
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• 243[01:55:20] <dvs> dirac1, no, systemd is still part of the installation. ;-)
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• 245[01:55:37] <dondelelcaro> dirac1: replaced-url
• 246[01:56:06] <dirac1> Oh i'm on sid, so ok.
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• 248[01:56:17] <dondelelcaro> dirac1: and replaced-url
• 249[01:56:18] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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• 252[01:57:39] <dirac1> Thanks.
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• 257[01:58:31] <dondelelcaro> dirac1: np; I imagine there will be a DSA for it in jessie in the near future
• 258[01:58:45] <dondelelcaro> (but since it's not enabled by default, it shouldn't be a big deal)
• 259[01:59:16] <dirac1> I have it enabled by default on a vps i bough recently that's why i was concerned.
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• 276[02:12:18] <JordiGH> Huh, got a changelog warning about jbig2dec changing license to AGPL.
• 277[02:12:35] <JordiGH> How odd, why are people so afraid of the AGPL that they think they need to warn about it?
• 278[02:12:50] <JordiGH> DFSG is DFSG, who cares how DFSG it is?
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• 284[02:20:00] <jmcnaught> JordiGH: probably because in addition to the regular GPL provisions governing distributing copies, AGPL has provisions for if you use it as a web accessible service. So this is a chance for people using it to be notified of a change, in case they are not in compliance by having their whole web service open source.
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• 286[02:21:24] <JordiGH> Who the hell would be building a website on some C or C++ framework that is linking to jbig2dec anyway?
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• 288[02:21:54] <JordiGH> does anyone actually use Wt?
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• 290[02:23:46] <JordiGH> Oh, look CppCMS. That's new. I guess someone could be linking that to jbig2dec.
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• 292[02:25:46] <JordiGH> I mean, if merely using Mongo isn't copyleftable...
• 293[02:28:01] <jmcnaught> well presumably the package maintainer thought it was worth notifying users of the change in license…
• 294[02:29:14] <JordiGH> The fear of the AGPL is greatly exaggerated.
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• 298[02:31:01] <will_> so do any of you write entire webpages from console using nano or vim?
• 299[02:31:15] <JordiGH> Emacs!
• 300[02:31:30] <JordiGH> Uh, and I guess I do? How else do you write webpages if not by writing text?
• 301[02:31:32] <will_> I just spent the last couple of minutes holding backspace to delete an entire section of html code
• 302[02:32:05] <will_> anyway to highlight or select what i want gone so i dont go through that again?
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• 304[02:32:20] <will_> cant find anything relevant online lol
• 305[02:32:22] <JordiGH> lol
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• 307[02:32:57] <missmbob> alt+a in nano i think
• 308[02:33:14] <will_> god, i cant believe programmers suffered like this back when there werent all these pretty ide's and text editiors
• 309[02:33:43] <will_> missmbob: not ALL the text. just a section
• 310[02:33:56] <missmbob> right
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• 312[02:34:29] <jmcnaught> will_: you should use whatever text editor you're most comfortable with on your PC, and transfer the files to the server
• 313[02:34:32] <missmbob> will_: just read. replaced-url
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• 338[03:05:45] <coventry> Why would setting the frontend to noninteractive using debconf-set-selections prevent interactive dialogs during apt-get installs, while setting the DEBIAN_FRONTEND=noninteractive does not (this is happening when building off the ocaml/opam docker image.)
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• 340[03:07:24] <jmcnaught> coventry: DEBIAN_FRONTEND is an environment variable that is set for a command or a shell, it is usually used to override what is configured by debconf
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• 343[03:08:01] <jmcnaught> oh i think i misread
• 344[03:08:19] <jmcnaught> you're using the environment variable but debconf is still interactive?
• 345[03:08:32] <coventry> jmcnaught, yes.
• 346[03:08:39] <jmcnaught> can you show your Dockerfile?
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• 348[03:10:10] <coventry> jmcnaught: replaced-url
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• 350[03:10:48] <coventry> Hmm... The ocaml Dockerfile uses DEBIAN_FRONTEND=noninteractive as a prefix to the apt-get commands, rather than setting it with ENV.
• 351[03:11:17] <coventry> replaced-url
• 352[03:12:01] <jmcnaught> coventry: i don't use docker often enough to know how it handles environment variables, but on a bash shell unless you export a variable, you must declare it on the command line like "DEBIAN_PRIORITY=medium dpkg-reconfigure debconf"
• 353[03:13:14] <coventry> OK, maybe this is a difference between ubuntu and debian. In ubuntu, "ENV DEBIAN_FRONTEND=noninteractive" sets the variable for all subsequent shell commands. Don't know why it'd be different in debian, though.
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• 355[03:13:34] <jmcnaught> sounds like a docker detail
• 356[03:13:42] <coventry> Yep, thanks.
• 357[03:14:46] <jmcnaught> althought your paste of your dockerfile didn't have DEBIAN_FRONTEND in the ENV
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• 359[03:15:07] <jmcnaught> ^althought^although
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• 366[03:15:55] <csmall> Does anyone here happen to be running unstable on a Dell XPS 15 9560?
• 367[03:16:19] <Lyberta> how to set environment variables for the root? for example when launching Synaptic via GUI
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• 369[03:16:48] <jmcnaught> Lyberta: what does root user have to do with your GUI?
• 370[03:17:14] <jmcnaught> csmall: try the unstable channel #debian-next on irc.oftc.net
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• 372[03:18:21] <Lyberta> jmcnaught, it uses different settings of FreeType
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• 374[03:18:27] <csmall> jmcnaught: Thanks. Will do.
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• 381[03:20:13] <jmcnaught> Lyberta: oh sorry i thought you meant some synaptic touchpad stuff. synaptic gets executed by pkexec, which is part of PolicyKit, which is where you could start looking. Personally I wouldn't bother
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• 393[03:24:26] <Lyberta> jmcnaught, I guess I'll just use etc/environment
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• 396[03:26:14] <glick> hi
• 397[03:26:23] <glick> when i login i get a message that i have mail
• 398[03:26:30] <glick> how do i read this mail?
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• 400[03:26:39] <glick> also, i think i have mail in the spool that keeps trying to send but keeps fialing
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• 402[03:27:02] <kaboutur> why does it fail?
• 403[03:27:45] <glick> kaboutur: cause its gmail
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• 405[03:27:53] <glick> but its okay i just want to delete it i think
• 406[03:28:02] <jmcnaught> glick: did you configure on MTA, or you you just have what gets installed by default?
• 407[03:28:06] <kaboutur> glick: how large is the spoolfile in /var/spool/mail/$username ?
• 408[03:28:16] <glick> i have sendmail installed
• 409[03:28:22] <jmcnaught> yikes
• 410[03:28:54] <jmcnaught> because you already knew sendmail and didn't want to learn a different MTA?
• 411[03:29:11] <glick> yeah
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• 413[03:29:12] <mitlik> So, I thank that I am on Stretch but I'm getting errors while running apt-get update concerning apt-trasport-https. A quick search doesn't seem to yield results other than my /etc/apt/sources.list referencing domain names that aren't scheduled to obsolete for several months yet.
• 414[03:29:29] <kaboutur> the shell gives a "You have mail file" if the spoolfile exists, but some mailclients generate a 512 byte spoolfile which they consider "empty mailbox".. Just the shell doesn't if > 0 bytes
• 415[03:29:39] <kaboutur> not sure if this is your problem
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• 417[03:30:29] <mitlik> Am I missing something obvious in the debian.org news?
• 418[03:30:43] <kaboutur> oh man, i dislike stretch. so many utilities (ifconfig) gone into deb packages, utils like locate/updatedb missing. and a number of others I use often (about 10)... it really Sucks!
• 419[03:31:11] <kaboutur> as if these antique utilities save any diskspace in base
• 420[03:31:13] <jmcnaught> ifconfig has been deprecated for almost a decade
• 421[03:31:45] <kaboutur> oh? for what? i reinstalled it and noted some changes in the output
• 422[03:31:45] <jmcnaught> mitlik: make a paste with the errors you are getting. "/msg dpkg bat" for additional troubleshooting information that you can provide
• 423[03:32:27] <jmcnaught> kaboutur: replaced-url
• 424[03:32:30] <kaboutur> also some network devices that were assigned ethX by udev on Jessie , now have these terrible long names
• 425[03:32:32] <th0r> kaboutur: for what it is worth, you are not alone in that opinion
• 426[03:32:37] <kaboutur> jmcnaught: thanks!
• 427[03:32:49] <kaboutur> th0r: thanks too :)) it's worth a lot :))))
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• 429[03:33:24] <jmcnaught> glick: did you install the sendmail package because you need the sendmail command to send mails? I'm not sure why you're using sendmail (the MTA) if you don't know where to check your inboxes)
• 430[03:34:19] <kaboutur> eth1 became enp2s0 (reminds me of BSD) and eth4 now is enx00aabbccddeeff , what a shit
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• 432[03:35:26] <jmcnaught> kaboutur: there are good reasons for all of the changes. also this is not a rant channel.
• 433[03:35:27] <mitlik> jmcnaught: Well, it's a new error now. But I'm pretty sure I have screwed things up be trying to fix it with inadequate experience.
• 434[03:35:38] <Lyberta> is there a way to list all files in etc that were manually edited?
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• 436[03:38:24] <jmcnaught> mitlik: you can use replaced-url
• 437[03:38:48] <kaboutur> jmcnaught: just reading about the 2009 plan for changing net-tools. indeed, there's a good reason for everything. the preferred method assimilates ease of use with BSD systems though
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• 439[03:39:20] <kaboutur> I guess all change meets some initial resistance. like systemd. it's getting better by the week
• 440[03:40:18] <jmcnaught> Lyberta: you can search for conffiles with dpkg-query but you'd need a script or pipeline to show only the ones that have been edited. You could install etckeeper which is a helper for keeping /etc/ in a VCS repository (default is Git)
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• 443[03:42:58] <mitlik> jmcnaught: Thanks for the response. I'm not going to pursue it further since I screwed things up attempting to `dpkg -i`.
• 444[03:43:40] <mitlik> It's not a debian problem anymore, it's a double-dumb-ass on my problem. ^_^
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• 475[04:08:35] <k_sze> There is something I'm wondering about intel-microcode updates.
• 476[04:11:01] <k_sze> The update *needs* to be re-applied every time the computer boots, right? And I understand that it's automatically applied at boot time. So what happens to virtualized contexts? What if I run something like a virtualized CentOS under a Debian host that has the intel-microcode update? Does the CentOS automatically benefit from the microcode fix in the host?
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• 480[04:12:48] <l1Ll1Ll1L> I would imagine that once the microcode is running, its running
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• 484[04:19:25] <jmcnaught> k_sze: that is how I understand it as well. Related anecdote: the intel-microcode removes the TSX instructions from Haswell CPUs. On my VMs if I select CPU type Haswell in libvirt, qemu refuses to start because the instructions are not available. I used to need to set it to 'Haswell no-TSX' but now copying the host CPU type works
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• 486[04:20:04] <l1Ll1Ll1L> k_sze: replaced-url
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• 488[04:20:14] <l1Ll1Ll1L> "As the virtual machine is running on virtual CPUs there is no point updating the microcode."
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• 490[04:21:38] <l1Ll1Ll1L> Also this discussion seems to imply that managing microcode falls outside the scope of VMs
• 491[04:21:38] <l1Ll1Ll1L> replaced-url
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• 493[04:22:46] <k_sze> Is ee.
• 494[04:22:49] <k_sze> *see
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• 499[04:28:56] <dirac1> o.o
• 500[04:29:52] <l1Ll1Ll1L> 0.o
• 501[04:31:25] <jmcnaught> k_sze: it's a good thing to wonder about
• 502[04:34:05] <ttm> hi
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• 527[04:47:11] <sonnie> hi there,I'm using buster/sid. Today I find my network printers disappear from word processor, while still in cups configuration. Why?
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• 547[05:01:13] <l1Ll1Ll1L> sonnie is the printer visible from other applications?
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• 549[05:02:50] <l1Ll1Ll1L> sonnie this thread may help replaced-url
• 550[05:03:02] <l1Ll1Ll1L> also try restarting cups and/or rebooting if you haven't
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• 557[05:06:00] <sonnie> l1Ll1Ll1L, yes I have rebooted and it didn't help. let me check this webpage, thank you
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• 565[05:14:12] <sonnie> l1Ll1Ll1L, my two network printers and PDF virtual printer all invisible from other apps. this is error when I run 'system-config-printer' from KDE: ValueError: Namespace GnomeKeyring not available
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• 567[05:14:49] <sonnie> but I have gnome-keyring installed
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• 572[05:17:19] <l1Ll1Ll1L> sonnie see if there is a package called python2-gnomekeyring you can install
• 573[05:17:24] <promet> on debian 9 stretch, network manager lists two entries for my wired connection, "enp9s0" and "ifupdown (enp9s0)", it seems like that shouldn't be. Is this "normal" in debian though?
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• 575[05:17:40] <l1Ll1Ll1L> if so install it and tun system-config-printer again
• 576[05:17:44] <l1Ll1Ll1L> *run
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• 578[05:18:44] <sonnie> l1Ll1Ll1L there is no such package in my source list, let me check..
• 579[05:18:53] <promet> I am configured for static ip on "enp9s0", but the "ifupdown (enp9s0)", is un-configurable and ignores my manual entries
• 580[05:19:23] <l1Ll1Ll1L> okay maybe python-gnomekeyring sonnie
• 581[05:19:49] <promet> I think this may be screwing with my openvpn setup
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• 583[05:20:12] <sonnie> I just installed this one and the error is still the same
• 584[05:20:26] <l1Ll1Ll1L> hmm.
• 585[05:20:28] <sonnie> cups restarted
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• 588[05:22:01] <sonnie> File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/gi/__init__.py", line 118, in require_version
• 589[05:22:08] <l1Ll1Ll1L> this is for arch sonnie but here is someone with the same issue, and a workaround in the comments replaced-url
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• 591[05:22:26] <l1Ll1Ll1L> worth a shot maybe
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• 593[05:24:26] <sonnie> I use KDE though. anyway let me try, thanks
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• 595[05:25:07] <sonnie> oh my, bad luck, still the same
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• 597[05:25:24] <l1Ll1Ll1L> grr. Stupid printers, giving everyone headaches.
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• 600[05:26:06] <sonnie> i can't remember what i did yesterday, they are just broken today
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• 602[05:27:10] <frustro> hi
• 603[05:27:11] <l1Ll1Ll1L> I wonder, can you print a test page from CUPS?
• 604[05:27:32] <frustro> fedora core 4.0 to dumbass ubuntu 16 something
• 605[05:27:44] <frustro> i want my processor back
• 606[05:27:51] <sonnie> nope, unsupport document-format application/vnd.cups-command
• 607[05:28:20] <l1Ll1Ll1L> CUPS gives you that message when you try to print a test page from the web interface?
• 608[05:28:35] <sonnie> yes it gives me that
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• 610[05:28:44] <frustro> check your MIME
• 611[05:28:59] <l1Ll1Ll1L> Was it previously able to print test pages when your printers were working?
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• 615[05:29:53] <sonnie> it should be, i can't recall
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• 618[05:30:29] <l1Ll1Ll1L> hmm, I found one random thread were reinstalling ghostscript fixed that problem
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• 621[05:31:52] <l1Ll1Ll1L> there are also a lot of smart people in ##linux sonnie
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• 623[05:32:39] <sonnie> ok thanks
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• 626[05:33:05] <frustro> tail -f the report, pastebin
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• 631[05:33:52] <frustro> anyways, debian install got better in last 5 years? still got find each piece or the repos got it all now
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• 633[05:34:38] <frustro> my last deb fit on a floppy lol
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• 708[06:32:02] <ofg|brtr> I want to create another user beside **poestgres** (which is the the GOD admin for postgres) inside postgresql and then create a database. the give that new user acess to that new database. I am thinking wrong apparently. I am looking at it with mysql mindset. Could you help me?
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• 714[06:38:15] <jmcnaught> ofg|brtr: look at the man pages for the commands createdb and createuser (which you run as postgres user)
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• 721[06:42:31] <nvz> does anyone know if I can change my sysrq key without recompiling? My keyboard doesn't have a PrntScr/SysRq key
• 722[06:44:03] <tx> use xbindkeys
• 723[06:44:18] <tx> assuming you are running x ;)
• 724[06:44:22] <nvz> I'm pretty sure you have no idea what I'm talking about
• 725[06:44:40] <nvz> for sysrq to work it has to be done at the kernel level
• 726[06:44:51] <nvz> the times you need a sysrq noting else is responding
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• 728[06:45:50] <tx> Well, if you need low level access to the key there isn't really a way. You can send a signal to /proc/sys/kernel/sysrq but at that point (if we are talking about the use case where everything is basically fried)
• 729[06:45:57] <tx> it would likely not be too useful.
• 730[06:46:28] <nvz> its typically heavy swapping IO lagging up these embedded systems
• 731[06:46:55] <tx> pretty simple patch to make to the kernel though, assuming you're okay apting the kernel image and rebuilding. :)
• 732[06:47:12] <tx> not viable?
• 733[06:48:11] <nvz> the irony is, the mini keyboard which is a handheld remote that came with it where I have to type with my thumbs has a sysrq key but this slightllaptop sized keyboard set I bought doesn't
• 734[06:48:34] <nvz> can't rebuild the kernel the sources aren't readily available, and its heavily patched
• 735[06:48:54] <nvz> I'd have no video among other things if I used regular sources
• 736[06:49:07] <tx> Ah, bugger.
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• 740[06:49:52] <nvz> yes I've curesed the sunxi linux and armbian teams endlessly for not using make-kpkg binary to compile the f'n kernel
• 741[06:50:00] <tx> Well if things aren't completely dead, udev can remap keycodes.
• 742[06:50:07] <nvz> they only offer headers packages not source or docs
• 743[06:50:45] <tx> Ah mm, seems this would only be useful for PS/2.
• 744[06:50:57] <tx> I'd wager you're using USB or something integrated. :p
• 745[06:51:02] <nvz> no its just usually swapping hard with IO waits, its impractical to actually manuver around to kill something, sysrq is the only thing that can figure out what to do in a single macro
• 746[06:51:16] <nvz> its an orangepi lite
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• 749[06:52:23] <nvz> I got sense to avoid these issues but at times I push it, and sometimes I just underestimate how much memory something will take until its too late
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• 752[06:53:28] <nvz> I've tested things like photo editing in the gimp and multiple tabs in ff to see how it reacts
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• 757[06:55:06] <nvz> tx: I'll look into the udev option that may work, I wasn't aware it could do that
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• 759[06:55:38] <nvz> tx: the only issue there is the key I use would lose its normal function
• 760[06:55:58] <nvz> but there is a pause/break key and I don't use that hardly ever
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• 763[06:56:50] <nvz> in fact I can't think of one thing its used for.. heh.. there are macros for those commands in linux like ^C, ^L, ^S, ^Q etc
• 764[06:56:55] <tx> replaced-url
• 765[06:57:10] <tx> expecting flame for pasting an arch wiki page but it has good examples and such.
• 766[06:57:11] <tx> :P
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• 768[06:57:56] <nvz> tx: thanks, that will probably work if I use udev to remap pause/break to prntscr/sysrq
• 769[06:58:31] <LinuxGuy2020> Do the official DVDs and Bluray images contain all of the contrib packages?
• 770[06:58:35] <tx> Interesting to see how / if it works under a lot of load.
• 771[06:58:52] <nvz> or I could use numlock, I hate the numberpad over the keyboard thing anyhow.. if its not a real keypad its not worth usin
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• 773[06:59:22] <nvz> but I don't see myself using either of those keys so maybe I'll remap them both to something more useful
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• 775[06:59:54] <nvz> if I can remap numlock, it may depending on how the keyboard is setup not allow me to do that
• 776[06:59:59] <jmcnaught> LinuxGuy2020: "/msg dpkg cd contents"
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• 779[07:01:07] <nvz> has anyone ever used pause/break for anything in linux? I seriously can't recall one time in like 15 years of using linux, having ever used that key
• 780[07:01:18] <nvz> I've used it in dos/windows many times
• 781[07:02:29] <LinuxGuy2020> jmcnaught: If I was looking for a specific package, then that would have helped. I see that the DVDs do contain main and contrib packages. Just wondering if they have all of the packages from contrib repo.
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• 783[07:02:59] <LinuxGuy2020> Just a yes or no.
• 784[07:03:23] <jmcnaught> LinuxGuy2020: in the absence of other answers you can check of the packages you need are on the images using the site linked in that factoid
• 785[07:03:57] <LinuxGuy2020> jmcnaught: Repeating the same answer doesnt help.
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• 787[07:05:19] <jmcnaught> LinuxGuy2020: i guess you can wait for someone else to do your research for you
• 788[07:05:25] <LinuxGuy2020> Im creating a local mirror and need to know if I need to manually copy all of contrib packages or if they will be all included on the DVD set.
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• 790[07:05:58] <LinuxGuy2020> jmcnaught: Yes Ill wait and see if someone else knows.
• 791[07:06:09] <nvz> LinuxGuy2020: you're making a mirror from DVDs?
• 792[07:06:22] <LinuxGuy2020> I already know I have to get non-free myself.
• 793[07:06:43] <tx> you do know there are much easier ways to mirror debian's apt repos right?
• 794[07:06:49] <tx> there are even instructions on the wiki
• 795[07:06:52] <LinuxGuy2020> nvz: Local repository to be exact. Yes.
• 796[07:06:58] <nvz> yes, there certainly are easier ways
• 797[07:07:13] <LinuxGuy2020> This is pretty easy.
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• 799[07:07:20] <nvz> I've only ever done a apt cacher proxy myself
• 800[07:07:44] <tx> LinuxGuy2020: it will immediately become out of date
• 801[07:08:10] <nvz> yes that was what I was just typing.. its more steps, it'll be out of date, and hard to update
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• 803[07:08:16] <tx> replaced-url
• 804[07:08:22] <jmcnaught> LinuxGuy2020: the debian website has instructions for creating a mirror without using ISO images
• 805[07:08:26] <LinuxGuy2020> All you do is copy all the pool folders from the DVDs and run "dpkg-scanpackages>packages.gz" copy to my NAS box and walla
• 806[07:08:57] <tx> or you could clone the repo using git :P
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• 809[07:09:08] <tx> or rsync iirc
• 810[07:09:15] <jmcnaught> apt-cacher-ng is dead simple to set up
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• 812[07:09:22] <nvz> yeah, for the record 3 debian users just told you this is a bad idea
• 813[07:09:27] <LinuxGuy2020> Yes there are many ways to do shit in linux we all know this
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• 815[07:09:41] <tx> jmcnaught: yup, but I don't think you can do an initial "get everything" with that
• 816[07:09:57] <tx> could be wrong though! we use an old version here
• 817[07:10:16] <nvz> apt-cacher is just for if you have lots of debian boxes and want to save bandwidth by not downloading the same thing twice
• 818[07:10:23] <jmcnaught> it has a "guided pre-caching" feature
• 819[07:11:07] <jmcnaught> but if you _don't_ download everything at once, then you don't download packages that you'll never need. by default apt-cacher-ng only caches stuff that's been used
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• 822[07:11:49] <LinuxGuy2020> lets just rattle off every other way to do it other than what he said he was going to do cause we are all smarter than he is.
• 823[07:12:01] <nvz> LinuxGuy2020: there are also many ways to do things in Debian, but your way is not one of the Debian ways of setting up a local mirror, and you will not find much support on your issue as a result, because people who know enough to be of any help would never do such a thing
• 824[07:12:04] <LinuxGuy2020> lets do that
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• 826[07:12:53] <LinuxGuy2020> For home use it works fine thanks
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• 829[07:13:09] <jmcnaught> LinuxGuy2020: it's not meant personally, people are here because they like to help. What you're doing sounds time consuming and inefficient
• 830[07:13:23] <tx> Not just the first time either
• 831[07:13:30] <tx> every time you want to get new packages. :(
• 832[07:13:35] <nvz> oh it'll work, nobody said it wouldn't work, we're just saying its highly ineffecient and will result in a difficult to maintain and update system
• 833[07:13:46] <Barre_> there are such things as dark-sites, then cache functions and rsync it not much help.
• 834[07:13:46] <jmcnaught> but if you're not in the mood for free volunteer help, you could try again later
• 835[07:13:49] <LinuxGuy2020> jmcnaught: How is downloading a set of freely available DVDs inefficient?
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• 837[07:14:26] <tx> You're unpacking a tightly packed bunch of parcels when you could just pick up its contents right away.
• 838[07:14:28] <nvz> because someone had to convert the pool to dvd then you gotta convert it back, in short.
• 839[07:14:35] <jmcnaught> LinuxGuy2020: because you will download all packages, including ones that you never install on any systems. Probably most of the downloaded packages will never be installed. And if you have to repeat that process, then you're even further behind
• 840[07:14:36] <LinuxGuy2020> No
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• 842[07:14:50] <LinuxGuy2020> There is no converting anything.
• 843[07:15:06] <nvz> and that iso is a snapshot, its not the actual repo.. new snapshots are not made all that often for ISOs
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• 845[07:15:19] <LinuxGuy2020> Merge all the pool folders and run dpkg-scanpackages to get a packages.gz file and your done
• 846[07:15:32] <nvz> if you downloaded them today you're already downloading packages with a ton of bugs that were fixed
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• 851[07:16:03] <LinuxGuy2020> yeah and then you just download the update DVD to fix all that in one go
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• 853[07:16:17] <tx> replaced-url
• 854[07:16:19] <tx> oh hey look
• 855[07:16:20] <jmcnaught> or install apt-cacher-ng once, and forget about it
• 856[07:16:23] <tx> a pre-made packages.gz file
• 857[07:16:29] <tx> not even on a DVD, crazy right?
• 858[07:16:46] <john_rambo> After burning the Stretch iso to cd I have deleted the original iso ... Is there a way to compare the md5 sum using the CD ?
• 859[07:17:03] <jmcnaught> LinuxGuy2020: anyways you should do what you want, but you have other options that might work better for the problem you're solving
• 860[07:17:15] <somiaj> john_rambo: if you recall what iso you used, you can look up teh checksum on the cdimage mirrors
• 861[07:17:39] <nvz> john_rambo: most burning software automatically checksums the disk, and the checksum of the disk should be the same as the iso
• 862[07:17:52] <tx> john_rambo: there are shasums in the repo folder you got the ISO file from
• 863[07:17:56] <tx> for example, replaced-url
• 864[07:18:08] <tx> you can do a dd / read of the ISO file into a big binary file
• 865[07:18:13] <tx> shasum that file, and compare :)
• 866[07:18:19] <LinuxGuy2020> you guys are always so friendly here. Bunch of fucking elitist snobs
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• 868[07:19:29] <tx> replaced-url
• 869[07:19:37] <nvz> LinuxGuy2020: well that's actually well documented, the official debian support is on OFTC, it was changed from here for that reason. But our methods also have purpose, you will likely come in here asking questions about something again and we won't be able to figure it out because your using rube methods of getting the packages
• 870[07:19:45] <tx> do a sha512 for the best accuracy + it looks cool
• 871[07:19:52] <tx> eg ( replaced-url
• 872[07:20:08] <john_rambo> nvz, You mean the burning software checks the checksum even if the checksum file is not present the iso image folder ?
• 873[07:20:24] <tx> john_rambo: I believe it would do its own checksum of the iso file
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• 875[07:20:38] <john_rambo> tx, Okay
• 876[07:20:39] <nvz> john_rambo: I mean typically the dialog shows you the cheksum, its up to you to make sure its right
• 877[07:20:58] <tx> Best way to make sure though, read the CD back and compare it to the one online.
• 878[07:21:41] <john_rambo> tx, Never done this before ... please guide me through
• 879[07:22:11] <tx> john_rambo: are you familiar with 'dd'?
• 880[07:22:19] <nvz> md5sum /dev/sdc or whatever,
• 881[07:22:41] <nvz> you don't have to image a disk to checksum it, dd is doing the same thing as just checksum it in place
• 882[07:22:41] <john_rambo> nvz, $ md5sum /dev/cdrom 9346436c0cf1862af71cb0a03d9a703c
• 883[07:22:57] <tx> How long did that checksum take lol
• 884[07:23:03] <tx> doesn't it have to read the disk in full?
• 885[07:23:19] <john_rambo> tx, No it took about a minute
• 886[07:23:24] <tx> er, well, not in full
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• 888[07:23:33] <tx> ok :)
• 889[07:23:39] <tx> john_rambo: now, where did you get the ISO from?
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• 891[07:23:46] <tx> nvz: handy.
• 892[07:24:02] <nvz> all dd would be doing is reading the device node anyhow
• 893[07:24:07] <nvz> what difference would it make
• 894[07:24:08] <john_rambo> From Debian's download page tx
• 895[07:24:23] <tx> here replaced-url
• 896[07:24:35] <tx> replaced-url
• 897[07:24:40] <tx> It looks like it matches!
• 898[07:24:49] <nvz> I'm going back to doing shit that'll lockup my machine .. heh.. cheers
• 899[07:24:50] <tx> 9346436c0cf1862af71cb0a03d9a703c debian-9.0.0-amd64-xfce-CD-1.iso
• 900[07:24:59] <tx> nvz: tell me how that udev stuff goes
• 901[07:25:20] <nvz> tx: I'll be back sometime but probably not for a few hours
• 902[07:25:24] <tx> cool
• 903[07:25:46] <john_rambo> Thanks a lot
• 904[07:25:53] <tx> john_rambo: Enjoy.
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• 917[07:35:08] <toruvinn> anyone had some fun tweaking urxvt's matcher extension?
• 918[07:36:07] <toruvinn> i cant really find how do i add required modifiers (as in ctrl/alt/whatever) for the clicks to happen. the ext working on just left mouse button is a really, really bad idea cause it makes highlighting/copying text hell
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• 953[08:06:41] <jrs> hi!
• 954[08:07:10] <jrs> i have a machine that requires a kernel. i compiled it okay, but now i'm wondering how to create an initrd for it?
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• 956[08:07:42] <jrs> (or even better, a debian package - unfortunately, replaced-url
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• 959[08:10:30] <jmcnaught> !kernel-handbook
• 960[08:10:30] <dpkg> The Debian Linux Kernel Handbook replaced-url
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• 962[08:10:40] <jmcnaught> jrs: ^^
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• 976[08:23:52] <PipeItToDevNull> So is there no make-kpkg in stretch?
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• 980[08:26:15] <jmcnaught> the new way is documented in the handbook linked above
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• 982[08:26:28] <jmcnaught> it's not that new
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• 984[08:29:03] <darxmurf> hi all
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• 1029[08:53:45] <vadimkolchev> Hi all. Anyone aware of desktop task manager (todo) for Debian that can sync with different PCs?
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• 1053[09:03:15] <jmcnaught> vadimkolchev: evolution can sync task lists
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• 1058[09:04:26] <vadimkolchev> jmcnaught, okay, great, will check it
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• 1071[09:09:27] <inthl> uhm, what contains make-kpkg in apt..? I can't find that on packages.debian.org
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• 1074[09:11:10] <inthl> kernel-package is not available in stretch. at least I thought it would be there; replaced-url
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• 1078[09:13:55] <jmcnaught> inthl: you can check for reasons packages have been removed on this site: replaced-url
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• 1081[09:14:38] <jrs> jmcnaught: thank you! got it going now :)
• 1082[09:14:39] <jmcnaught> inthl: you can also use the method documented in this handbook: replaced-url
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• 1087[09:16:08] <inthl> jmcnaught, thank you for the hints
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• 1090[09:16:24] <inthl> you mean this one? replaced-url
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• 1092[09:16:56] <Irulan> Hello. I have 2 problems since I upgraded to stretch : a xen guest crashes every few days, and gpg cannot decrypt my files
• 1093[09:17:14] <jmcnaught> inthl: deb-pkg was developed to replace make-kpkg
• 1094[09:18:15] <Irulan> gpg: public key decryption failed: Inappropriate ioctl for device / gpg: decryption failed: No secret key
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• 1096[09:18:37] <inthl> I see. hm, but how would one pass parameters like --initrd, --apend-to-versiion and --revision to that, since I'd pass that to make, not to make-dpgk, or make deb-pkg
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• 1102[09:20:37] <jmcnaught> inthl: i think it's all covered in that handbook, but i'm not a custom kernel compiler. as close to stock as reasonable is how i like it ☺
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• 1118[09:26:35] <inthl> hm beats me :/
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• 1133[09:39:19] <user_____> i hav successfully installed apache2 on deb9 but unable tp execute php to upload a file
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• 1135[09:40:06] <apollo13> that sounds like a security feature rather than an issue :þ
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• 1138[09:40:51] <user_____> its just a homeserver. i dont need much security
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• 1140[09:41:47] <Irulan> user_____: you must install php too, not only apache2
• 1141[09:41:53] <user_____> i did
• 1142[09:41:58] <user_____> php-cgi too
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• 1144[09:42:46] <Irulan> libapache2-mod-php ?
• 1145[09:42:54] <user_____> dat too
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• 1147[09:43:45] <user_____> i feel it has to do with configuration part
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• 1149[09:44:45] <Irulan> is php7.0.{load,conf} present in /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/ ?
• 1150[09:45:15] <user_____> placed upload.php in /usr/lib/cgi-bin
• 1151[09:45:16] <user_____> yes
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• 1154[09:46:50] <Irulan> user_____: you should place it into /var/replaced-url
• 1155[09:47:00] <jmcnaught> user_____: don't put files in /usr/lib
• 1156[09:47:25] <user_____> html is in /var/replaced-url
• 1157[09:47:25] <Irulan> with mod_php, you don't have to put files in cgi directories
• 1158[09:47:31] <user_____> ok
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• 1167[09:50:02] <user_____> /usr/lib/cgi-bin/ is default for apache2
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• 1171[09:50:26] <user_____> was trying to minimise configuration atleast to teast it 1st
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• 1173[09:50:34] <user_____> *test
• 1174[09:50:40] <afidegnum> hello pls give a hint, i m trying to enable key based authentication on my remote server..... ssh-keygen should this be perform on a remote server or local PC ?
• 1175[09:51:08] <jmcnaught> user_____: the directories in /usr are only for packages installed by apt/dpkg to write to. You should use /usr/local instead
• 1176[09:51:17] <Irulan> afidegnum: local. put the .pub on remote
• 1177[09:51:26] <user_____> ok
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• 1179[09:51:38] <afidegnum> ok
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• 1181[09:52:29] <jmcnaught> afidegnum: if password authentication is still enabled on the remote, then you can use "ssh-copy-id user@example.com", and it will copy local ~/.ssh/id_rsa.pub to remote ~/.ssh/authorized_keys
• 1182[09:53:13] <user_____> i dont want to use cgi. i just want to execute php at the backend
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• 1184[09:53:45] <Irulan> user_____: so you should put your php files in /var/replaced-url
• 1185[09:53:50] <user_____> did
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• 1187[09:53:59] <afidegnum> Irulan: jmcnaught thanks
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• 1189[09:55:44] <user_____> instead of executing upload.php, it is showing the code of the upload.php
• 1190[09:55:45] <Irulan> user_____: did it run ?
• 1191[09:55:47] <user_____> no
• 1192[09:56:43] <jmcnaught> a side note, it's really easy to install php-fpm in stretch now. you can "apt install apache2 php7.0-fpm" and then you just need to enable a couple of modules and a conf with a2enmod/a2enconf (and it shows you what to do in the output of the install). Just as easy to get started with as libapache2-mod-php, but does not require apache prefork MPM
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• 1194[09:57:15] <user_____> i am on deb9
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• 1196[09:57:34] <user_____> any doc?
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• 1199[09:58:13] <Irulan> was apache2 restarted since mod_php was enabled ?
• 1200[09:58:21] <user_____> yes
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• 1203[09:59:02] <user_____> how to check mod_php?
• 1204[09:59:18] <jmcnaught> user_____: replaced-url
• 1205[10:00:18] <user_____> i dont use userdir
• 1206[10:00:33] <jmcnaught> user_____: then don't enable that module
• 1207[10:01:09] <user_____> how to check mod_php?
• 1208[10:01:33] <user_____> i hav followed replaced-url
• 1209[10:01:46] <Irulan> php7.0.{load,conf} must be present in /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/
• 1210[10:02:12] <user_____> its present
• 1211[10:02:35] <user_____> any modification in it has to b done?
• 1212[10:02:54] <Irulan> no, it should work out of the box
• 1213[10:02:58] <jmcnaught> user_____: put a file name guitarsolo.php containing the single line "<?php phpinfo(); ?>" in /var/replaced-url
• 1214[10:03:11] <user_____> dat works
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• 1216[10:03:21] <user_____> just the backend doesnt work
• 1217[10:03:23] <jmcnaught> user_____: it shows a php info page?
• 1218[10:03:27] <user_____> yup
• 1219[10:03:32] <jmcnaught> then PHP works
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• 1221[10:03:53] <afidegnum> in which cases do we use kerberos vs password authentication?
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• 1223[10:04:02] <user_____> wen i click send button, it is not executing upload.php
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• 1225[10:04:49] <jmcnaught> user_____: something else doesn't work. what do you get in your browser? what's in /var/log/apache2/error.log on the server?
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• 1228[10:05:36] <user_____> instead of executing upload.php, it is showing the code of the upload.php
• 1229[10:06:21] <jmcnaught> user_____: what have you changed inside /etc/apache2 including commands like a2enmod
• 1230[10:06:24] <jmcnaught> ?
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• 1232[10:06:43] <user_____> enables cgi
• 1233[10:06:52] <user_____> nuthing else till now
• 1234[10:07:01] <user_____> *enabled
• 1235[10:07:41] <Irulan> you doesn't need cgi with mod_php
• 1236[10:07:42] <jmcnaught> user_____: you also need to look in /var/log/apache2. you can use "tail -v -f /var/log/apache2/{access,error}.log" in a terminal to follow both logs live as you request the page
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• 1240[10:09:29] <user_____> html code: replaced-url
• 1241[10:10:00] <Irulan> your php file lacks <?php open tag
• 1242[10:12:06] <user_____> done
• 1243[10:12:08] <user_____> thank u
• 1244[10:13:37] <Irulan> you're welcome
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• 1275[10:31:04] <Aebian> which files call the MOTD? I recently get them twice but nothing is listed in ~/.profile and the MOTDS in /etc/motd is also just present one-time
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• 1295[10:40:09] <afidegnum> hello, anyone familiar with hetzner, ? i m having issue with my smtp sending mails, exim can't send mails, from the logs it shows it has been delivered but the mails doens't reach recipients
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• 1297[10:41:08] <petemc> if the log shows mails being sent they are probably hitting spam filters
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• 1299[10:42:25] <MarcoNL> I have a laptop with HDMI and VGA output. When I connect two same type samsung montitors, no problem. When I connect 1 samsung monitor with vga and one high res monitor with hdmi, I get the login screen on all 3 monitors but when I should see my desktop, all goes black.
• 1300[10:42:44] <MarcoNL> anyone got any idea what is wrong? In Xorg log I see no errors
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• 1302[10:44:02] <MarcoNL> replaced-url
• 1303[10:44:17] <afidegnum> petemc: hetzner's or local spam filter?
• 1304[10:44:25] <afidegnum> i haven't set any spam filter yet
• 1305[10:44:44] <petemc> the receiving server
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• 1307[10:45:11] <afidegnum> many recipiens from different servers faces teh same thing
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• 1313[10:48:46] <afidegnum> petemc: apparently there is a timeout
• 1314[10:48:57] <afidegnum> using thunderbird
• 1315[10:49:11] <petemc> you said the log shows mails being sent?
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• 1326[10:53:56] <afidegnum> petemc: ok, i m seeing the error now 2017-07-10 10:53:15 TLS error on connection from [41.210.59.121] (gnutls_handshake): The TLS connection was non-properly terminated
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• 1345[11:03:09] <sn00z> Hi guys i've a question, some one can tell me which database is the best please ?
• 1346[11:03:37] <sn00z> Between mysql postres, or a sqlite ?
• 1347[11:03:43] <sn00z> In a web app
• 1348[11:04:01] <Mathisen> i would imagine that would depend on use case
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• 1351[11:05:47] <sn00z> Yes, imagine in a web app for store account informations ?
• 1352[11:05:56] <saka> For small projects (like you and 2 friends) sqlite is the best since it avoids some headache; for more you should use mysql or postgres
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• 1356[11:06:30] <sn00z> Ok thks and between postgres and mysql which is the best ?
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• 1358[11:07:23] <saka> Also, you may want to use an ORM, which gives you the opportunity to use any database changing only few lines of code.
• 1359[11:07:33] <Aebian> sn00z: depends. postgres is file based, MysQL (now mariadb) is not
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• 1363[11:09:06] <saka> atm I'm using postgres for my projects, but if you aren't experienced with databases I'd go to mysql
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• 1367[11:09:37] <saka> Anyway, keep in mind you can switch one for the other anytime if you use ORMs
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• 1372[11:11:14] <sn00z> Ok thks for your answers, i also use postgres an mysql but i very don't know which is the best ^^
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• 1406[11:23:02] <LogicalPeyote> hi all
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• 1412[11:24:39] <LogicalPeyote> /msg LogicalPeyote REGISTER <alsg174> <luca@mmcomputers.it>
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• 1415[11:26:56] <saka> sn00z, it depends on your use cases: (usually) mysql is more performant, and requires less experience; meanwhile postgres is more complex and robust, but for simple projects it may be an overkill
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• 1419[11:27:31] <LogicalPeyote> hey saka, do u know how i can register a new usename?? i n new on irc xD
• 1420[11:27:36] <sn00z> Ok thks saka
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• 1422[11:28:07] <saka> (my teacher at university tells us to use oracle 12c and that is an overkill, lulz)
• 1423[11:28:45] <saka> LogicalPeyote, you may want to write "/nickserv help" (without quotes)
• 1424[11:28:48] <l1Ll1Ll1L> LogicalPeyote, replaced-url
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• 1426[11:29:07] <l1Ll1Ll1L> See registration
• 1427[11:29:10] <LogicalPeyote> thank you so much :)
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• 1432[11:31:37] <LogicalPeyote> /msg NickServ REGISTER <password> <email-address>
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• 1450[11:49:37] <rapha> After 3 HOURS of compilation: "dpkg-gencontrol: error: illegal package name: character 'A' not allowed" - are you frigging KIDDING me?
• 1451[11:50:03] <rapha> Is there any way to prevent "make deb-pkg" from doing "make clean"? :-(
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• 1469[11:59:33] <jrmu> /bar hide nicklist
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• 1471[11:59:45] <jrmu> sorry about that, irritating
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• 1476[12:02:24] <rapha> Ah, seems you can hack the Makefile.
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• 1582[12:58:54] <nvz> tx: I've given up on that, the information was outdated and I can't figure it out
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• 1588[13:00:26] <nvz> I'm now thinking a simpler solution would be writing a custom module to have a button on the GPIO header write to the /proc/ interface to do a sysrq
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• 1592[13:02:18] <nvz> I don't want a big keyboard or I'd just get another one. This keyboard leaves some things to be desired but its just the right size
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• 1596[13:04:56] <nvz> 11.25x4.75in (28.575x12.065cm), small but all the keys are in the right place and are normal sized
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• 1600[13:05:41] <nvz> I'd have rather had a sysrq as one of the Fn keys is my only real complaint
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• 1657[13:29:12] <pragomer> hi. on work I just got a new laptop. tried to install debian stretch, but get a complete blackscreen after grub menu. also with nomodeset. the model is Travelmate P4, TMP449-G2-M-76X3
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• 1659[13:29:20] <pragomer> any ideas how to install debian??
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• 1661[13:30:17] <JPT> Not sure if that's still a thing, but back in the days, you could press some fn+some f key shortcut to fix such things?
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• 1663[13:30:48] <JPT> Otherwise, perhaps try to set a vga parameter that works with your resolution?
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• 1666[13:32:05] <pragomer> how to set a vga parameter at grub menu?
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• 1668[13:32:24] <JPT> similar to the nomodeset param. edit the grub entry and add it to the linux line
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• 1689[13:42:22] <fast> I've created a usb boot stick, after booting i can choos the installation type but then the usb keyboard stops working. I've already tried booting with iommu=soft and noapic nolapic. Any hints?
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• 1692[13:43:54] <uhohrewrite> fast: is chceksum of image you downloaded ok?
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• 1694[13:44:09] <fast> let me check..
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• 1699[13:46:04] <voidie> hi :d
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• 1701[13:46:09] <uhohrewrite> hello
• 1702[13:46:35] <voidie> :) hey how are you
• 1703[13:47:05] <uhohrewrite> Im fine thanks. And you?
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• 1706[13:47:42] <voidie> im good :)
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• 1708[13:47:57] <voidie> im more an slackware user
• 1709[13:48:08] <fast> uhohrewrite: Checksum is looking good.
• 1710[13:48:08] <voidie> but because of posix i love all linux :)
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• 1713[13:48:41] <kirby_> #python-ru
• 1714[13:48:51] <uhohrewrite> voidie: even 1.X ?
• 1715[13:49:12] <uhohrewrite> fast: then dunno, maybe your keyboard is an unike snowflake
• 1716[13:49:33] <voidie> yes even 1.X
• 1717[13:49:36] <voidie> you gotta start somewhere
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• 1719[13:51:10] <uhohrewrite> oldest Linux I ever used was 2.2 probably
• 1720[13:51:18] <fast> uhohrewrite: I've tried 4 keyboards..so maybe i've got alot of unike snowflake keyboards or something else is broken :D
• 1721[13:51:43] <voidie> i have 4 usb ports and a broken firewire
• 1722[13:51:44] <uhohrewrite> fast: unique matherboard? xD
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• 1724[13:52:04] <voidie> :P
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• 1729[13:53:03] <fast> not sure i'll tryout a different server..
• 1730[13:53:08] <uhohrewrite> fast: what type of device? Personal computer aka PC?
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• 1732[13:53:16] <uhohrewrite> ah server
• 1733[13:53:23] <fast> uhohrewrite: Dell Power Edge R200(?)
• 1734[13:53:35] <voidie> you got an i-system aswell?
• 1735[13:53:45] <voidie> os400 is the crit
• 1736[13:53:48] <uhohrewrite> you got bootloader on that image? is keyboard working in bootloader?
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• 1738[13:54:07] <fast> Yes its working in bootloader
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• 1741[13:54:21] <voidie> it's broken if it runs without
• 1742[13:55:09] <uhohrewrite> than no ideas from me.maybe try another kernel options. or maybe kernel is not configured properly
• 1743[13:55:31] <uhohrewrite> or missing modules etc
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• 1747[13:57:51] <uhohrewrite> fast: you may want to send bug report to developers. That may be easy to solve in short time.
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• 1749[13:58:20] <voidie> i had a kernel
• 1750[13:58:24] <voidie> costum kernel
• 1751[13:58:32] <uhohrewrite> iya hiya hooo
• 1752[13:58:35] <voidie> which is why it throws or doesnt throw alot of errors^
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• 1754[13:58:43] <uhohrewrite> iya hiya hooo
• 1755[13:58:46] <uhohrewrite> xD
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• 1759[14:01:16] <uhohrewrite> Old McDonalld had a server farm
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• 1763[14:02:04] <jelly> !offtopic
• 1764[14:02:04] <dpkg> #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day.
• 1765[14:03:19] <jelly> fast, what did you use to write the image to the usb stick?
• 1766[14:03:55] <uhohrewrite> fast: dd with blocksize parameter?
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• 1769[14:04:38] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
• 1770[14:04:46] <voidie> iya hiya hoo
• 1771[14:05:00] <jelly> voidie, please stick to tech support
• 1772[14:05:21] <voidie> ^^ k
• 1773[14:05:51] <jelly> we have a separate channel for chat and general shenanigans, #debian-offtopic
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• 1775[14:05:58] <fast> jelly: As described here replaced-url
• 1776[14:06:44] <jelly> fast, so, cp, that is probably not causing issues then
• 1777[14:07:43] <fast> I've tried to boot the server from a cd with the same image. The USB Keyboard is working.
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• 1784[14:13:08] <jelly> once the installer has booted into linux it shouldn't just lose usb hid
• 1785[14:13:36] <jelly> fast, did you use text mode for the installer or graphic mode
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• 1787[14:13:58] <fast> Text Mode.
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• 1791[14:14:35] <voidie> text Mode because i feel like an hacker seeing an white and black screen
• 1792[14:14:44] <voidie> jk
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• 1794[14:15:03] <uhohrewrite> voidie: l33t h4x0r using CLI? k-kool
• 1795[14:15:13] <fast> The last time i looked at the text mode installer it was rather blue/grey/red-ish oO
• 1796[14:15:40] <voidie> fast: i was kidding there
• 1797[14:15:47] <fast> I know ;)
• 1798[14:15:50] <BluesKaj> my wireless KB worked great with the netinstall/textmode and still does on stretch
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• 1800[14:16:03] <BluesKaj> uses usb transceiver
• 1801[14:16:15] <voidie> uhohrewrite: ya man, because that's how you hack right? you use programs in shells
• 1802[14:16:17] <TandyUK> hey guys, where can i get a debian 8.8 netinstall image from
• 1803[14:16:42] <voidie> xD i could send you one from switzerland
• 1804[14:16:48] <TandyUK> the downloads page, and the cdimage.debian.org site also only has 9.0 releases in current, and doesnt see mto have any archives
• 1805[14:16:57] <voidie> but i'ts 9.8
• 1806[14:17:19] <voidie> 9.0.8 sry
• 1807[14:17:22] <jelly> voidie, again, keep comments to relevant and helpful, so I don't have to quiet your ass
• 1808[14:17:26] <TandyUK> i just need to send the download url to a colleague so he can privision a new server
• 1809[14:17:39] <TandyUK> it needs to be 8.x in keeping with the rest of our platform
• 1810[14:17:42] <BluesKaj> fast, thelegacy textmode is used with the netinstall blue-red
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• 1814[14:18:20] <jelly> TandyUK, replaced-url
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• 1817[14:19:22] <TandyUK> jelly, why no links to that on the 'current' downloads page
• 1818[14:19:29] <TandyUK> its not like 8.x has been obsoleted yet
• 1819[14:19:56] <TandyUK> also a lot of people ive spoken to seriously dislike the forced replacement of mysql with mariadb
• 1820[14:20:23] <jelly> there's usually a link to oldstable
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• 1822[14:20:40] <TandyUK> well if there is, neither me or colleague are seeing it
• 1823[14:20:48] <TandyUK> its like its been deliberately hidden
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• 1827[14:22:33] <jelly> TandyUK, main page, > Read more about available versions of Debian.
• 1828[14:23:15] <uhohrewrite> mariadb? It's buggy as heck for production use
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• 1830[14:23:26] <uhohrewrite> or was it innodb
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• 1832[14:23:33] <TandyUK> replaced-url
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• 1834[14:23:43] <TandyUK> thast the page that needs link to the archives imho
• 1835[14:23:45] <jelly> TandyUK, that links to replaced-url
• 1836[14:23:46] <TandyUK> and its sub pages
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• 1838[14:23:58] <TandyUK> otherwise, its still 'hidden'
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• 1840[14:24:35] <jelly> TandyUK, the web pages do look somewhat outdated. If you have time, please file a bug report for package replaced-url
• 1841[14:24:38] <TandyUK> normal people go debian.org > getting debain > one of the options. and now have no reference ot the fact 8.x even existed
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• 1843[14:24:44] <TandyUK> i jyust did
• 1844[14:24:48] <jelly> thanks!
• 1845[14:24:53] <TandyUK> if you want it in a format other than irc, knock yourself out
• 1846[14:25:07] <uhohrewrite> with a hammer?
• 1847[14:25:18] <TandyUK> if you wish lol
• 1848[14:25:19] <jelly> TandyUK, sorry dude, this channel isn't a bug report venue
• 1849[14:25:34] <TandyUK> its not a bug report, theres no bug lol
• 1850[14:25:42] <TandyUK> theres just no obviosu download links for 8.x
• 1851[14:25:46] <TandyUK> shit website !== bug
• 1852[14:25:52] <jelly> that's a bug against the webiste
• 1853[14:25:59] <jelly> yes, it's a bug
• 1854[14:26:01] <TandyUK> no a big is somethign not working
• 1855[14:26:01] <uhohrewrite> ya i had same issue with a sit TandyUK
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• 1857[14:26:26] <TandyUK> whatever, if you want a bug, go report it as one
• 1858[14:26:28] <TandyUK> my bit is done
• 1859[14:26:31] <jelly> gotcha
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• 1862[14:28:16] <TandyUK> replaced-url
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• 1864[14:28:45] <TandyUK> also that page which is the announcement of 8.8's release links to replaced-url
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• 1866[14:28:52] <francine> Hi
• 1867[14:28:57] <TandyUK> you can file another bug report for that if you wish
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• 1871[14:29:14] <francine> Does Debian Stretch have Hyper-V drivers? I really want to get rid of VMware and VirtualBox.
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• 1874[14:30:20] <jelly> francine, yes. however there are some minor bugs, like disks on scsi/sas controller visible 8 times in linux
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• 1880[14:33:06] <francine> Okay, thanks, but what do you mean with visiable 8 times?
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• 1882[14:33:57] <jelly> you get eg. /dev/sdb, /dev/sdc ... /dev/sdi all pointing to one disk
• 1883[14:34:13] <jelly> lvm tools complain about that, but work anyway
• 1884[14:34:50] <francine> Hmm, I'll test it
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• 1923[14:58:35] <francine> jelly: Hmm, I only have one /dev/sda here
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• 1944[15:12:38] <meseira> hi all
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• 1946[15:13:50] <meseira> i am not an expert with pam.d and i need some help to dispel a doubt
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• 1950[15:15:22] <meseira> in order to run graphics apps in a container, i had the cgroup 'devices' at line "session optional pam_cgfs.so" in /etc/pam.d/common-session and /etc/pam.d/common-session-noninteractive
• 1951[15:16:26] <meseira> is it clean? No prone to make my system unstable?
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• 1953[15:16:52] <meseira> maybe there is an other way to let my user handle its own 'devices' cgroup?
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• 1956[15:19:06] <meseira> (just in case, i run Debian Stretch)
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• 1958[15:21:35] <abrotman> it says optional. should be okay
• 1959[15:21:41] <abrotman> obviously, back it up first
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• 1978[15:31:02] <olx69> Hi I try to add software from 3rd party into an frsh debian9 VM and failed :( I get a similar error by use of apt-key adv --keyserver ... as of gpg --keyserver ... namely dirmgr no such file ... apt-key adv seems to be obsolete now, but lternative didnt work. How to import a key?
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• 1980[15:32:32] <jhutchins_wk> olx69: We don't support third party repositories, and generally recommend against using them.
• 1981[15:32:45] <JyZyXEL> doesn't debians "mail" utility support printing the current number of unread messages?
• 1982[15:32:59] <JyZyXEL> i can not find a single way to get that value
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• 1992[15:37:52] <olx69> I want to install the UniFI controller software to configure my WLAN hotspot, I have no other option!!
• 1993[15:38:14] <olx69> replaced-url
• 1994[15:38:33] <olx69> I assume, this isn't at the offical repos, isn't it?
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• 2002[15:40:22] <delYsid> Anyone noticing ssh connection problems on new stretch servers, which is fixed by downgrading UsePriviledgeSeparation from "sandbox" to "yes"?
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• 2007[15:41:14] <tremolo> Can't say I have
• 2008[15:41:48] <delYsid> we have the third independently configured machine doing this on us in the past week or so.
• 2009[15:41:53] <delYsid> So it looks to be systematic.
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• 2020[15:46:04] <tremolo> Well, it looks like I've been using "UsePrivilegeSeparation yes", so I suppose I wouldn't have seen that issue.
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• 2022[15:47:03] <olx69> oh,ok, unifi seems to be at offical repos, no need to add a key for 3rd party. Anyway, unifi doesn't install, jsvc. mongodb, java8 isn't installed. How to resolve this dependencies automatically using apt? BTW, apt-get install jsvc failed with not available
• 2023[15:48:17] <olx69> ah, reading correct the error: depends on jsvc, but jsvc isn't installable (no reasons mentioned)
• 2024[15:48:27] <jelly> ,v jsvc
• 2025[15:48:28] <judd> Package: jsvc on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.0.10-3; jessie: 1.0.15-6+deb8u1; stretch: 1.0.15-7; buster: 1.0.15-8; sid: 1.0.15-8
• 2026[15:48:47] <jelly> olx69, which debian release are you using
• 2027[15:48:53] <olx69> release 9
• 2028[15:48:56] <jelly> !bat
• 2029[15:48:56] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
• 2030[15:49:29] <jelly> ^^ olx69, can you provide all the info
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• 2032[15:49:57] <olx69> I would like, copy&paste isn't possible in the VM :(
• 2033[15:50:12] <olx69> pure keyboard terminal
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• 2035[15:50:21] <meseira> abrotman: is is "optional" but important, without this option, i can't run the nested graphics apps
• 2036[15:50:46] <meseira> thus something more is allowed
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• 2040[15:51:04] <jelly> olx69, use ssh.
• 2041[15:51:28] <jelly> and a terminal emulator you can copy and paste from
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• 2054[16:00:20] <abrotman> meseira: sure, but you don't want it to cause failures for the rest of your users
• 2055[16:00:22] <olx69> I took awhile to get the ssh :) replaced-url
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• 2057[16:03:12] <olx69> mongodb doesn't seems to be in the offical repos too. apt-cache search failed
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• 2068[16:05:43] <jhutchins_wk> ,v mongodb
• 2069[16:05:44] <judd> Package: mongodb on amd64 -- wheezy: 1:2.0.6-1.1; wheezy-security: 1:2.0.6-1.1+deb7u1; wheezy-backports: 1:2.4.8-2~bpo70+1; jessie: 1:2.4.10-5+deb8u1; stretch: 1:3.2.11-2; buster: 1:3.2.11-2; sid: 1:3.2.11-2; experimental: 1:3.4.1-3
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• 2071[16:06:09] <olx69> probably not all repos are active here at my VM
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• 2074[16:07:13] <jelly> that java dependency looks broken for debian 9
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• 2076[16:07:28] <olx69> also no man command avalable; I will reinstall debian into the VM ...
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• 2078[16:07:42] <jelly> jsut install man
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• 2080[16:08:00] <jelly> sorry, man-db
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• 2093[16:12:02] <forcerecon> what do you use on debian instead of route
• 2094[16:12:02] <forcerecon> route command not found
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• 2096[16:12:23] <jelly> ip r
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• 2099[16:13:03] <forcerecon> /sbin/route works
• 2100[16:13:04] <forcerecon> thanks
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• 2110[16:17:18] <aksn> hi all. which would be the best way to remove configurations of uninstalled packages without --purge option?
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• 2112[16:17:59] <aksn> I found this, but I'm not sure if it's safe: COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l |grep ^rc |awk '{print $2} ' | xargs dpkg -P
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• 2123[16:21:14] <Epakai> aksn: the -P option is the same as --purge, you can run that command without the | xargs dpkg -P to see what packages it would remove
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• 2126[16:21:23] <meseira> abrotman: exactly! So, is there a way to allow some specific user to handle its own cgroup 'devices'?
• 2127[16:21:38] <abrotman> huh?
• 2128[16:21:48] <abrotman> meseira: try it, yoiu should be fine
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• 2130[16:22:07] <meseira> abrotman: yes, i already do it and this is ok
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• 2133[16:22:43] <meseira> abrotman: i just ask it because i do not really understand the impact of such a thing
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• 2136[16:23:42] <abrotman> PAM is a mystical thing. :)
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• 2139[16:24:18] <meseira> abrotman: yes, definitely :-)
• 2140[16:24:30] <aksn> Epakai, the list seems to be correct
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• 2143[16:24:52] <aksn> but I'm afraid of purging mysql-server-5.5 package, this won't affect the current mariaDB configuration?
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• 2147[16:26:23] <abrotman> meseira: FWIW, you can "touch /etc/pam_debug", and hten turn on the debug log in your rsyslog, get (among others) PAM output
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• 2149[16:26:25] <olx69> So, I'm back with a new install of debian9, maybe the prior VM was a to small seeeetup
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• 2153[16:27:43] <meseira> abrotman: yeap, thx
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• 2182[16:39:28] <ChrisH> I need a new graphicard for my office desktop. (New Monitors arrived and the onboard is not able to handle the native resolution) Where do I find docu on which card/vendor is working with stable or oldstable (+ backport kernel) nearly out-of-the-box?
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• 2185[16:40:19] <greycat> what makes you think the onboard chipset can't handle this resolution?
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• 2187[16:40:42] <ChrisH> greycat: The vendor's specs and testing :)
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• 2191[16:42:22] <ChrisH> replaced-url
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• 2194[16:43:25] <dury> hi there channel :-)
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• 2196[16:44:18] <dury> did someone solve how to launch xscreensaver in stretch?
• 2197[16:44:54] <greycat> ,v xscreensaver
• 2198[16:44:55] <judd> Package: xscreensaver on amd64 -- wheezy: 5.15-3+deb7u1; wheezy-security: 5.15-3+deb7u1; jessie-security: 5.30-1+deb8u1; jessie-updates: 5.30-1+deb8u2; jessie: 5.30-1+deb8u2; stretch: 5.36-1; sid: 5.36-1; buster: 5.36-1
• 2199[16:45:05] <colo-work> ChrisH, what resolution do you new LCDs have, and which connectors?
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• 2201[16:45:29] <Tenkawa> dury: eh?
• 2202[16:45:34] <Tenkawa> xscreensaver&
• 2203[16:45:48] <Tenkawa> that usually launches just fine for me
• 2204[16:45:50] <th0r> Tenkawa: (space)
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• 2206[16:46:14] <colo-work> th0r, that's optional
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• 2209[16:46:25] <dury> Tenkawa, in stretch?
• 2210[16:46:25] <Tenkawa> th0r: what colo-work said
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• 2213[16:46:51] <Tenkawa> dury: I use it all.. stable/stretch/unstable
• 2214[16:46:55] <th0r> I always thought it was required...something new every day :)
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• 2216[16:47:06] <Tenkawa> what is happening?
• 2217[16:47:19] <Tenkawa> maye I can help with that
• 2218[16:47:39] <Tenkawa> not trying to be difficult.. was actually surprised..
• 2219[16:47:41] <ChrisH> colo-work: native 2560x1440 (DP and HDMI)
• 2220[16:47:46] <dury> Tenkawa, it doesn't launch for me
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• 2222[16:48:00] <Tenkawa> any errors/messages?
• 2223[16:48:01] <colo-work> ChrisH, so HDMI 2.0 then?
• 2224[16:48:10] <greycat> Tenkawa: shell syntax is often very surprising.
• 2225[16:48:28] <dury> Tenkawa, you tell that to me?
• 2226[16:48:39] <dury> Tenkawa, if any errors
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• 2228[16:48:41] <Tenkawa> greycat: xscreensaver has always been very straight forward though
• 2229[16:48:57] <bimbo> buonasera a tutti
• 2230[16:48:57] <Tenkawa> let me reset mine and take a look
• 2231[16:49:03] <bimbo> !list
• 2232[16:49:03] <dpkg> bimbo: È possibile scaricare un sacco di software libero puntando il tuo browser a replaced-url
• 2233[16:49:06] <greycat> !it
• 2234[16:49:06] <dpkg> Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
• 2235[16:49:41] <Tenkawa> dury: does a popup not show up with the logo then go away?
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• 2237[16:49:52] <Tenkawa> if you do it from a terminal?
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• 2241[16:50:38] <dury> Tenkawa, which command you mean
• 2242[16:50:50] <greycat> dury: you were told to run xscreensaver&
• 2243[16:50:58] <Tenkawa> start an xterm/terminal and run xscreensaver&
• 2244[16:51:01] <dury> sorry guys
• 2245[16:51:06] <dury> one sec.
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• 2248[16:51:11] <Tenkawa> no problem
• 2249[16:51:15] <greycat> (You are allowed to put a space before the & if you wish.)
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• 2251[16:51:25] <Tenkawa> indeed
• 2252[16:51:32] <Tenkawa> I juts do it out of habit
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• 2254[16:51:35] <Tenkawa> this way
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• 2256[16:51:43] <Tenkawa> er just
• 2257[16:51:48] <dury> done
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• 2259[16:51:52] <dury> now?
• 2260[16:52:09] <Tenkawa> did a window come up with a banner then go away?
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• 2263[16:52:30] <dury> no
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• 2265[16:52:43] <Tenkawa> what did that terminal window say?
• 2266[16:52:56] <dury> one sec.
• 2267[16:53:38] <dury> [1] 4036
• 2268[16:53:45] <dury> then...
• 2269[16:53:49] <dury> mmmm...
• 2270[16:53:53] <dury> one sec.
• 2271[16:54:00] <greycat> It's probably running, then.
• 2272[16:54:10] <Tenkawa> i agree
• 2273[16:54:11] <friiq> mmmm
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• 2275[16:54:25] <friiq> dury: what are you eating
• 2276[16:54:31] <ChrisH> colo-work: We assume yes. I was not yet able to confirm it. LCD is Dell u2515h For Graphicscard something like ASUS Radeon R7 360 Mini should be OK if the kernel/xserver is fine with it.
• 2277[16:54:35] <dury> xscreensaver: 16:51:23: already running on display :0 (window 0xe00010)
• 2278[16:54:35] <dury> from process 1407
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• 2280[16:54:55] <Tenkawa> dury: its already running
• 2281[16:54:59] <Tenkawa> you need to trigger it
• 2282[16:55:02] <Tenkawa> thats all
• 2283[16:55:41] <dury> trigger it how is that.... tell me how to do it please
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• 2285[16:56:33] <Tenkawa> that depends on which desktop environment and window manager you picked
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• 2287[16:56:39] <Tenkawa> which one do you use?
• 2288[16:57:06] <dury> gnome
• 2289[16:57:19] <Tenkawa> it should be in gnome settings then
• 2290[16:57:25] <Tenkawa> if I remember correctly
• 2291[16:57:41] <colo-work> dury, alternatively, try xscreensaver-command -activate
• 2292[16:57:47] <Tenkawa> I use xfce so its been a while.. someone who uses gnoe step in please
• 2293[16:58:08] <Tenkawa> er gnome
• 2294[16:58:26] <dury> all right colo-work
• 2295[16:58:38] <Tenkawa> that is definitely a good way to test it
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• 2297[16:59:06] <dury> Tenkawa, what colo-work said?
• 2298[16:59:17] <Tenkawa> yep
• 2299[16:59:23] <dury> all right
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• 2301[16:59:49] <dury> jeeesssuss guys really appreciate your support believe me
• 2302[17:00:15] <Tenkawa> no problem... this is fun to me
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• 2304[17:00:58] <Tenkawa> I'm just trying to fix an android box over here and its running things so I'm waiting on it a lot
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• 2312[17:03:51] <Tenkawa> dury: did that work?
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• 2315[17:04:28] <dury> if I execute xscreensaver-command -activate it launches, but it's programmed for one minute to launch and it doesn't
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• 2317[17:05:11] <greycat> Maybe ask in #gnome?
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• 2319[17:05:39] <Tenkawa> yeah that sounds more like the window manager in gnome holding control of the screen
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• 2321[17:05:44] <boxrick1> Is there a way to make apt-get return an error code when it fails to fetch a repo?
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• 2324[17:06:07] <Tenkawa> boxrick1: I think it already does
• 2325[17:06:30] <greycat> What apt-get command did you run, what happened, and what was the exit status?
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• 2332[17:08:33] <dury> Tenkawa, what you suggest, then?
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• 2336[17:08:59] <Tenkawa> I agree with greycat
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• 2338[17:09:03] <ChrisH> colo-work: any recommendation on a graphic card or vendor?
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• 2341[17:09:54] <colo-work> ChrisH, I'd go with an AMD card that got released in 2016.
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• 2344[17:10:25] <styks1987> I am unfamiliar with determining if a system uses x11 or not. I have two separate debian instances. One appears to be x11 but the other does not (based on a package that requires it) how can I determine if it is using x11 or not?
• 2345[17:10:33] <colo-work> ChrisH, check this list maybe replaced-url
• 2346[17:11:00] <colo-work> ChrisH, if in doubt, also ask in #radeon
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• 2351[17:15:03] <boxrick1> I ran "apt-get update" it failed since it was pointing towards a repo which had its apache server stopped ( I manually caused this )
• 2352[17:15:14] <boxrick1> Then it shows a return code of 0
• 2353[17:15:20] <boxrick1> When id expect a different return code
• 2354[17:15:24] <greycat> File a bug report.
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• 2360[17:19:12] <dury> no idea how exactly xscreensaver works, but it isn't really gnome's job to start it after a minute of inactivity or so, that's what they said to me in #gnome though
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• 2362[17:20:29] <Tenkawa> no.. something in gnome is interfering with the screensaver's recognition of inactivity of the screen
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• 2364[17:20:37] <Tenkawa> the screensaver is running
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• 2366[17:20:59] <Tenkawa> the problem is that its not triggering after the inactivity time
• 2367[17:21:03] <Tenkawa> er time
• 2368[17:21:32] <dury> from looking at the package it seems, i would expect that you would need to run "xscreensaver" on login, but that's really just guessing he said
• 2369[17:22:17] <dury> hang on
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• 2371[17:22:20] <ChrisH> colo-work: Thanks
• 2372[17:22:46] <Tenkawa> well a good test of that is to logout
• 2373[17:22:48] <Tenkawa> and login
• 2374[17:22:57] <Tenkawa> open a terminal
• 2375[17:23:03] <Tenkawa> run ps auxww | grep xscreensaver
• 2376[17:23:07] <Tenkawa> see if anything comes back
• 2377[17:23:14] <Tenkawa> let me know what you get
• 2378[17:23:18] <dury> one sec.
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• 2382[17:24:27] <dury> 1407 0.0 0.0 69404 5404 tty1 S+ 12:17 0:07 /usr/bin/xscreensaver -nosplash
• 2383[17:24:32] <dury> and
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• 2387[17:24:45] <dury> 4296 0.0 0.0 12784 972 pts/0 S+ 17:23 0:00 grep xscreensaver
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• 2389[17:24:49] <Tenkawa> yes its running
• 2390[17:25:11] <Tenkawa> ter no
• 2391[17:25:15] <Tenkawa> er no its notr
• 2392[17:25:25] <Tenkawa> I just saw the grep line
• 2393[17:25:28] <Tenkawa> ok
• 2394[17:25:44] <dury> Tenkawa, what's that?
• 2395[17:25:47] <jhutchins_wk> styks1987: Are the systems running Debian?
• 2396[17:25:48] <greycat> The 1407 line shows that it *is* running.
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• 2399[17:26:05] <greycat> We already knew this from the previous error that said it was runnig with PID 1407 when he tried to start a second instance.
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• 2402[17:26:15] <Tenkawa> greycat: oops I only saw his grep line.. scrolled too fast
• 2403[17:26:17] <styks1987> jhutchins_wk: yes, both are running 8.8. The vagrant version is running an older kernel
• 2404[17:26:22] <Tenkawa> my apologies
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• 2406[17:26:31] <styks1987> both are 64
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• 2408[17:27:02] <Tenkawa> either way if thats the old one he ran its not a clean startup
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• 2410[17:27:30] <Tenkawa> I want to see it starting it up cleanly from startx/xdm
• 2411[17:28:00] <jhutchins_wk> styks1987: Do they both have a GUI?
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• 2413[17:28:12] <styks1987> jhutchins_wk: neither has a gui
• 2414[17:28:25] <styks1987> jhutchins_wk: I am trying to get —dpi to work from wkhtmltopdf. It appears to work on the linode instance but not the vagrant instance
• 2415[17:28:30] <jhutchins_wk> styks1987: Then niether is _using_ x11.
• 2416[17:28:51] <jhutchins_wk> One or both may have Xorg installed.
• 2417[17:28:53] <dury> Tenkawa, no two lines after that last command you told me
• 2418[17:28:54] <greycat> Perhaps you're actually asking whether libx11 and friends are *installed*?
• 2419[17:29:11] <greycat> I don't know what this wkhtml thing requires to do its job.
• 2420[17:29:39] <styks1987> greycat: the docs say it will not work on x11 based systems
• 2421[17:30:06] <greycat> That's bullshit.
• 2422[17:30:20] <greycat> Either the docs are poorly written or you are misunderstanding.
• 2423[17:30:58] <Tenkawa> dury: to test this properly you'll need to logout and back in X.. is that ok?
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• 2425[17:31:07] <styks1987> greycat: Probably misunderstanding but this is what the docs say “Change the dpi explicitly (this has no effect on X11 based systems) (default 96)"
• 2426[17:31:24] <styks1987> Change the dpi explicitly (this has no
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• 2428[17:31:30] <greycat> "this does nothing" is very different from "it will not work on x11 based systems"
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• 2436[17:33:06] <styks1987> greycat: gotcha, I’m just confused as to why or how one is aparently based on x11 but the other is not. So my real goal is to find a way to determine if one really is based on x11
• 2437[17:33:08] <dury> Tenkawa, logout and back again you mean
• 2438[17:33:29] <styks1987> or get a straight answer on what that really means
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• 2440[17:33:50] <Tenkawa> you will need to kill the xscreensaver process too before you logout
• 2441[17:34:03] <Tenkawa> I want to make sure it starts back up on its own
• 2442[17:34:08] <Tenkawa> if not we need to fix that
• 2443[17:34:41] <jhutchins_wk> styks1987: I would imagine that X11 based systems set the DPI, and that setting it in this program will not affect it if the DPI is controlled by X11.
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• 2445[17:34:51] <jhutchins_wk> styks1987: Debian uses Xorg.
• 2446[17:34:54] <dury> Tenkawa, tell me how to kill the process by command please
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• 2449[17:35:32] <Tenkawa> kill 1407 from a terminal
• 2450[17:35:43] <dury> ok
• 2451[17:35:51] <dury> one sec
• 2452[17:35:54] <Tenkawa> sure
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• 2455[17:36:15] <Tenkawa> then run that ps command again and make sure xscreensaver is gone
• 2456[17:36:38] <greycat> or just ps -fp 1407
• 2457[17:36:50] <dury> there is one
• 2458[17:36:54] <Tenkawa> greycat: just wanted to be thorough
• 2459[17:36:58] <dury> one sec.
• 2460[17:37:02] <Tenkawa> dury: grep though right?
• 2461[17:37:05] <greycat> he's going to be confused by grep finding itself
• 2462[17:37:13] <Tenkawa> ahh
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• 2464[17:37:16] <Tenkawa> good point
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• 2466[17:37:28] <dury> this one 4316 0.0 0.0 12784 972 pts/0 S+ 17:36 0:00 grep xscreensaver
• 2467[17:37:41] <Tenkawa> ok good
• 2468[17:37:46] <Tenkawa> now
• 2469[17:37:54] <Tenkawa> logout of your x session and back in
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• 2472[17:38:18] <dury> one sec. please
• 2473[17:38:28] <dury> or more whatever
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• 2475[17:38:36] <Tenkawa> sure
• 2476[17:38:37] <Tenkawa> no rush
• 2477[17:38:45] <dury> great
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• 2480[17:39:19] <dury> have to close this irc Tenkawa?
• 2481[17:39:23] <Tenkawa> yes
• 2482[17:39:27] <dury> ok
• 2483[17:39:38] <Tenkawa> irc back in once you are logged back in
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• 2485[17:39:44] <dury> be back in a sec. wait
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• 2499[17:42:11] <Tenkawa> dury: I realized something while you were away
• 2500[17:42:18] <Tenkawa> can you run this in a terminal
• 2501[17:42:26] <Tenkawa> dpkg -l | grep gnome-screensaver
• 2502[17:42:27] <dpkg> ii | grep gnome-screensaver 3.4-1 ultra s3kr1t #debian package
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• 2506[17:42:38] <Tenkawa> haahaa oops
• 2507[17:42:56] <Tenkawa> forgot about that channel responder
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• 2512[17:44:20] <dury> Tenkawa, rc gnome-screensaver 3.6.1-7+b2 amd64 GNOME screen saver and locker
• 2513[17:44:30] <Tenkawa> intriguing
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• 2515[17:44:56] <Tenkawa> looks like you have some incomplete files on there
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• 2517[17:45:31] <Tenkawa> greycat: do you agree?
• 2518[17:45:41] <dury> Tenkawa, what's that
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• 2520[17:46:10] <greycat> I don't know anything about gnome-screensaver or xscreensaver. I was just checking to see if they conflict with each other.
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• 2524[17:46:42] <greycat> All I do is manually run i3lock when I want to lock the screen. That's all.
• 2525[17:47:00] <dury> still two lines after "ps auxww | grep xscreensaver"
• 2526[17:47:05] <Tenkawa> greycat: same here
• 2527[17:47:19] <Tenkawa> I have a button
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• 2533[17:48:49] <dury> Tenkawa, there must be one line or two?
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• 2535[17:49:18] <greycat> Ignore the line that contains "grep", if it appears.
• 2536[17:49:25] <Tenkawa> dury: good you got the screensaver line and the grep line
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• 2538[17:49:30] <Tenkawa> that means its running
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• 2540[17:50:03] <Tenkawa> then yes.. if it is not activating it is definitely your window environment interfering
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• 2543[17:50:47] <Tenkawa> did you check the times>
• 2544[17:50:49] <Tenkawa> er times
• 2545[17:50:56] <Tenkawa> and how?
• 2546[17:51:04] <Tenkawa> they may be set reallly high
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• 2548[17:52:12] <dury> I activate by command only other way it doesn't
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• 2551[17:53:05] <Tenkawa> right... my point is the defaults for activation times are like 30 minutes
• 2552[17:53:21] <Tenkawa> so its got to idle for 30 minutes with no activity
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• 2556[17:54:36] <Tenkawa> want me to help you change that
• 2557[17:54:37] <Tenkawa> ?
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• 2560[17:55:06] <dury> go
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• 2564[17:55:24] <Tenkawa> looking up the settings
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• 2566[17:55:42] <dury> then
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• 2569[17:56:01] <Tenkawa> got it
• 2570[17:56:06] <Tenkawa> ok open that termina
• 2571[17:56:12] <Tenkawa> run xscreensaver-demo
• 2572[17:56:21] <Tenkawa> does it bring up a window of settings?
• 2573[17:56:30] <dury> yep
• 2574[17:56:38] <Tenkawa> try setting those
• 2575[17:57:12] <dury> those one what?
• 2576[17:57:21] <Tenkawa> the ones you want adjusted
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• 2580[17:57:42] <dury> blank after 10 minutes right now
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• 2583[17:58:15] <Tenkawa> this also sets the times, which screensaver, and more
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• 2586[17:58:34] <dury> done
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• 2589[17:58:52] <dury> see what's happened after 10 minnutes
• 2590[17:59:04] <Tenkawa> whatever it says
• 2591[17:59:07] <dury> or we put 1 minnute
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• 2598[18:00:35] <dury> is quicker
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• 2622[18:08:24] <vadimkolchev> Hello. What file in home folder is responsible for gnome 3 desktop icons font color? Have home after ubuntu installation and the font is black instead of white.
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• 2635[18:13:21] <somiaj> vadimkolchev: maybe ask in #ubuntu
• 2636[18:13:37] <vadimkolchev> somiaj, maybe) however I don't run ubuntu now
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• 2641[18:14:12] <somiaj> due to version differences between ubuntu and debian, you may want to use a fresh $HOME or user account, see if the issue is something with your old home dir
• 2642[18:14:25] <somiaj> creating a new user is a good way to check if something is system or user setup.
• 2643[18:14:47] <somiaj> I am unsure on what to edit with gnome, but there is a gconf editor or tweak tool that can be used to configure more core stuff with gnome.
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• 2645[18:15:10] <vadimkolchev> somiaj, yes, but I had reason not to create new user. I managed to solve it with gnome-tweak-tool. just changed theme settings back and forth and they are back to defaults. Anyway, thanks for your help.
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• 2648[18:15:28] <kang9> Free software is possible; why Free hardware doesn't exist yet?
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• 2651[18:16:00] <nkuttler> kang9: because you're not making it
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• 2654[18:17:00] <vadimkolchev> one day it will be this way, really. Corps will take money for services provided on free hardware+software
• 2655[18:17:11] <vadimkolchev> you can see something like that with Amazon now.
• 2656[18:17:40] <vadimkolchev> Kindles cost cheaply because users buy many e-stuff through it
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• 2677[18:28:22] <kion> I am installing Debian on an old computer I am trying to figure out if I should use 32 bit system or 64, I did a 'cat /proc/cpuinfo' and on phisical address says 34 bits
• 2678[18:28:54] <tx> kion:what is the CPU make and model
• 2679[18:29:06] <tx> if you do not know, it is also in /proc/cpuinfo
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• 2681[18:29:21] <tx> under "model name"
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• 2688[18:31:59] <kion> tx intel core 2 duo E8300
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• 2691[18:32:22] <apollo13> supports 64
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• 2693[18:32:44] <tx> Yes, please use the amd64 distro.
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• 2695[18:32:48] <tx> // x86_64.
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• 2700[18:33:08] <kion> apollo13, ok so I need to download the 64 bit Debian, correct?
• 2701[18:33:12] <apollo13> yes
• 2702[18:33:21] <kion> Thanks!
• 2703[18:33:25] <apollo13> I mean 32bit would work too, but kinda pointless
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• 2705[18:33:47] <kion> apollo13, understood, I will install the 64 bit
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• 2729[18:41:30] <jil> hello
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• 2731[18:42:25] <jil> What's the name of the application that can automaticaly detect the keyboard layout ?
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• 2758[18:53:28] <Andocromn> If i've previously installed a backports kernel, how do I switch back to the normal kernel?
• 2759[18:53:43] <towo`> boot it?
• 2760[18:54:15] <Andocromn> yeah as default
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• 2768[18:55:31] <towo`> Andocromn, boot the default kernel and purge the backports one
• 2769[18:56:25] <Andocromn> how do i tell apt to purge just the backports kernel?
• 2770[18:57:23] <jhutchins_wk> jil: I don't believe there is one.
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• 2772[18:58:02] <Andocromn> so i'd have to remove all my kernels to remove the backports one?
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• 2774[18:58:22] <towo`> Andocromn, kidding?
• 2775[18:58:33] <jhutchins_wk> Andocromn: No, specify the full package name of the one you want to remove.
• 2776[18:58:41] <towo`> Andocromn, dpkg -l | grep linux | grep bpo
• 2777[18:58:49] <jhutchins_wk> Andocromn: If you have aptitude, you can use it's menu driven interface.
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• 2779[18:59:13] <jhutchins_wk> towo`: Also dpkg l linux* | grep bpo
• 2780[18:59:22] <jhutchins_wk> =l
• 2781[18:59:45] <jhutchins_wk> aah, you know what I mean.
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• 2785[19:01:13] <towo`> jhutchins_wk, dpkg -l linux* does not work here on unstable
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• 2791[19:04:34] <Andocromn> so when i try to apt-get remove linux-image-3.16.0-0.bpo.4-amd64... it also wants to remove linux-image-amd64... is my concern
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• 2794[19:06:01] <greycat> Try "apt-mark manual linux-image-amd64" ?
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• 2804[19:09:16] <Andocromn> linux-image-amd64 was already set to manually installed...
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• 2806[19:09:42] <Andocromn> i'll just try removing it and putting it back i guess
• 2807[19:09:51] <greycat> Then I don't know why apt-get remove would attempt to remove it, in the absence of some weird apt.conf(.d) option.
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• 2810[19:11:14] <jhutchins_wk> towo`: Might want to report that, works fine on 8.8
• 2811[19:11:52] <greycat> jhutchins_wk: needs to be linux\* to avoid globbing against local files
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• 2813[19:12:12] <jhutchins_wk> greycat: Yeah, or "linux*"
• 2814[19:12:17] <greycat> *nod*
• 2815[19:12:44] <towo`> i don't like that, since that even shows non installed packages, the grep onnly shows installed ones
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• 2818[19:13:47] <greycat> The grep version also forces dpkg's output to a non-terminal, so you don't get truncation.
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• 2821[19:14:01] <greycat> You need dpkg -l linux\* | cat or similar to get that effect with the other one.
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• 2828[19:17:39] <Olof_szary> hello. How to check the MAC address of interface? I am running new liveISO and there is no ifconfig program
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• 2831[19:17:55] <jasperarcola> ip link
• 2832[19:18:33] <jasperarcola> or e.g. ip link show eth0 (the device name will be different)
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• 2834[19:19:05] <Olof_szary> thanks :) Hmm.. <NO-CARRIER... worries me
• 2835[19:19:42] <Olof_szary> is ethtool also embedded with it somehow?
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• 2840[19:20:31] <jasperarcola> not sure, hang on a sec i have a stretch vm
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• 2853[19:25:44] <hexhaxtron> Hi! I'm trying to run a website on the 'replaced-url
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• 2855[19:25:48] <jasperarcola> no ethtool by default, i guess you want to see 10/100/1000 status etc?
• 2856[19:25:48] <hexhaxtron> But I don't want users to see things of other users. How should I do this?
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• 2858[19:26:15] <greycat> hexhaxtron: chmod 711 /home/username
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• 2860[19:26:26] <jasperarcola> if you are using apache use mod_userdir, and each user gets there dir in ~/public_html (or where ever they want it)
• 2861[19:27:08] <hexhaxtron> greycat: 403 Forbidden
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• 2865[19:28:14] <greycat> hexhaxtron: does not compute. 711 is world-searchable, so apache can go through /home/username to get to /home/username/public_html/
• 2866[19:28:24] <hexhaxtron> greycat: I'm using nginx.
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• 2868[19:28:50] <greycat> Permissions work the same way.
• 2869[19:29:06] <hexhaxtron> greycat: I get 403...
• 2870[19:29:36] <hexhaxtron> 403 Forbidden
• 2871[19:29:44] <Olof_szary> jasperarcola: thanks. It seems that it is even more serious that I thought and not pc-side problem.
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• 2874[19:30:04] <jasperarcola> Olof_szary replaced-url
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• 2876[19:30:42] <Olof_szary> btw, why ifconfig is not there by default?
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• 2878[19:31:01] <Olof_szary> ah, I see
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• 2880[19:31:19] <jasperarcola> replaced-url
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• 2886[19:33:27] <Olof_szary> sorry to bother you more, when did it happened, last month?
• 2887[19:33:37] <greycat> !stretch
• 2888[19:33:38] <dpkg> Stretch is the codename for the current <stable> release, Debian 9, released 2017-06-17. "Stretch" is the rubber octopus in Toy Story 3, see replaced-url
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• 2890[19:34:14] <Olof_szary> thank you all
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• 2892[19:34:42] <jmcnaught> hexhaxtron: i don't think that nginx has a userdir module like apache does, so you are probably using some regex in a config. have you checked logs to confirm that the files being accessed are the ones you want (and set permissions for)?
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• 2898[19:37:12] <greycat> That's true, and that's how my nginx is configured, but I still cannot think of any reason why removing o+r from /home/foo would matter for replaced-url
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• 2905[19:40:20] <mate_CRAZY> hey, dudes.
• 2906[19:40:25] <mate_CRAZY> all right ?
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• 2908[19:41:31] <mate_CRAZY> anyone running mate desktop ?
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• 2912[19:43:39] <Brigo> mate_CRAZY, me at least.
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• 2914[19:43:56] <jhutchins_wk> !ask
• 2915[19:43:57] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
• 2916[19:44:03] <mate_CRAZY> Brigo, nice, Do You also have a not working brightness slider in the power options ?
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• 2918[19:44:35] <Brigo> mate_CRAZY, are you in a laptop? i am in a desktop
• 2919[19:44:43] <mate_CRAZY> jup. laptop
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• 2921[19:45:08] <mate_CRAZY> replaced the overhead silly gnome 3 by mate, because I like that flat stile
• 2922[19:45:10] <mate_CRAZY> style
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• 2925[19:46:11] <Brigo> mate_CRAZY, my brightness sliden don't work either.
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• 2928[19:47:03] <mate_CRAZY> Brigo, I could change the brightness by changing the value in /sys/class/....intel_backlight, will see, if that will stay the same after reboot
• 2929[19:47:15] <mate_CRAZY> but I really miss the nice slider stuff...
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• 2932[19:48:06] <Brigo> there should be any keyboard shortcut anyway for the brigthness.
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• 2935[19:48:42] <mate_CRAZY> Brigo , yeah, and which ?
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• 2939[19:48:59] <Andocromn> towo, so the key to getting the normal kernel back (i think) was to run "apt-get -t jessie install linux-image-amd64" after remove the bpo kerne;
• 2940[19:49:07] <mate_CRAZY> and if the shortcut works, why the slider doesn`t ?
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• 2942[19:49:39] <mate_CRAZY> maybe there is a mate irc channel ?
• 2943[19:49:43] <Brigo> mate_CRAZY, i don't know even if the shortcut will work. But if it works it could be a bug.
• 2944[19:49:58] <mate_CRAZY> :-D
• 2945[19:50:03] <Brigo> mate_CRAZY, probably. There is a debian-mate
• 2946[19:50:11] <mate_CRAZY> ah, ok, thx
• 2947[19:50:16] <Mick24> Hi, is there a way to migrate to SysVinit ?
• 2948[19:50:29] <jhutchins_wk> !mate
• 2949[19:50:29] <dpkg> The MATE Desktop Environment is a fork of GNOME 2, available since Debian 8 "Jessie" (and also in wheezy-backports). To install, ask me about <install mate>. replaced-url
• 2950[19:50:33] <greycat> !stretch sysvinit
• 2951[19:50:33] <dpkg> To replace systemd with sysvinit in stretch, simply "apt-get install sysvinit-core" and reboot. To switch from systemd to runit, "apt-get install runit-systemd", reboot, "apt-get install runit-init", and reboot again.
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• 2957[19:52:29] <mate_CRAZY> need to leave, 3% battery, shiat, need to get that brightness adjusted., see ya next time , bye
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• 2978[20:03:53] <hexhaxtron> greycat: any help?
• 2979[20:05:34] <hexhaxtron> greycat: it works with 755 but not 711...
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• 2982[20:08:45] <jasperarcola> you need to have x permissions on a directory to read the list of contents
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• 2986[20:09:17] <hexhaxtron> jasperarcola: the thing is that I don't want users to see things of other users.
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• 2988[20:10:04] <jasperarcola> make the users dirs be a group that nginx runs as (replaced-url
• 2989[20:10:24] <hexhaxtron> jasperarcola: I tried that. It should work but I can't make it work.
• 2990[20:10:25] <jasperarcola> (and the users are not in that group as well)
• 2991[20:10:48] <hexhaxtron> jasperarcola: I created a group called services and added replaced-url
• 2992[20:10:54] <jasperarcola> hmm, not sure then, maybe find a way to get more logging out of nginx
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• 2995[20:12:46] <bezaban> hexhaxtron: you can't nest groups on linux
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• 2998[20:13:13] <bezaban> 750 user:replaced-url
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• 3000[20:14:22] <hexhaxtron> jasperarcola: bezaban I tried this: replaced-url
• 3001[20:14:29] <hexhaxtron> And I still get 403 Forbidden.
• 3002[20:14:41] <jasperarcola> hexhaxtron you can use ps -p <processid> -o user,group,supgrp,args
• 3003[20:14:51] <jasperarcola> to see which groups a process is running as
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• 3008[20:16:19] <jasperarcola> what does 'ls -l /home/h' show?
• 3009[20:16:19] <bezaban> hexhaxtron: yeah, that won't work
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• 3011[20:16:59] <hexhaxtron> jasperarcola: nobody nogroup nogroup nginx: worker process
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• 3013[20:17:28] <jasperarcola> ok, so nginx is running as nobody:nogroup and replaced-url
• 3014[20:17:46] <jasperarcola> (and i meant 'ls -ld /home/h' )
• 3015[20:17:48] <hexhaxtron> replaced-url
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• 3017[20:18:38] <jasperarcola> look for the 'user' line in /etc/nginx/nginx.conf
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• 3020[20:19:34] <hexhaxtron> jasperarcola: #user nginx;
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• 3022[20:19:56] <jasperarcola> ok, remove the leading # and then systemctl restart nginx
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• 3024[20:20:14] <starstuff> Hi, does anyone here use g++ on Debian Stretch?
• 3025[20:20:39] <jasperarcola> then: cd /home ; chgrp replaced-url
• 3026[20:20:55] <jasperarcola> and it has a better chance of working
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• 3029[20:21:36] <hexhaxtron> jasperarcola: replaced-url
• 3030[20:22:19] <hexhaxtron> jasperarcola: maybe I need to create the user nginx?
• 3031[20:22:22] <jasperarcola> ok, no nginx user, do you have a replaced-url
• 3032[20:22:23] <jasperarcola> getent passwd replaced-url
• 3033[20:22:31] <hexhaxtron> jasperarcola: yes, I have.
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• 3036[20:22:47] <jasperarcola> if you do, then use 'user replaced-url
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• 3040[20:24:18] <hexhaxtron> jasperarcola: it works! Thanks! :)
• 3041[20:24:28] <jasperarcola> ok, we got there in the end :)
• 3042[20:24:29] <hexhaxtron> jasperarcola: are you familiar with dovecot and postfix too?
• 3043[20:25:23] <jasperarcola> i use dovecot for my imap server and i use postfix in a few other places but i'm not so familiar with either of them. (set dovecot up a few years ago and now just leave it alone)
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• 3054[20:28:20] <hexhaxtron> jasperarcola: I'm trying the same with other users but it doesn't work...
• 3055[20:28:21] <hexhaxtron> root@skylake:/home/h/hexhaxtron# cd ..
• 3056[20:28:24] <hexhaxtron> Oops.
• 3057[20:28:36] <hexhaxtron> drwxr-x---+ 2 pokemongo users 4096 Jul 7 18:12 replaced-url
• 3058[20:28:58] <hexhaxtron> Should I change all users group to the group replaced-url
• 3059[20:29:12] <sptnx> can u use the --force-badname option when you choose username in the installer in some way?
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• 3061[20:29:44] <jasperarcola> don't alter the users themselves, change the group on there home directory
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• 3065[20:31:11] <jhutchins_wk> Wow. Installing from an iso on SSD to a VDI on SSD is FAST!
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• 3067[20:31:36] <jhutchins_wk> sptnx: Why?
• 3068[20:31:43] <hexhaxtron> jasperarcola: replaced-url
• 3069[20:32:21] <jhutchins_wk> Then again, now we're on the network install portion, and that's still hitting the overloaded mirrors.
• 3070[20:32:27] <sptnx> jhutchins_wk: i wanna have a dot in username and it's annoying to always have to edit that afterwards
• 3071[20:32:52] <jhutchins_wk> sptnx: The installer doesn't like it?
• 3072[20:33:30] <jhutchins_wk> sptnx: Just make a dummy account and set up the real account later.
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• 3077[20:35:11] <sptnx> no, installer dont like it and i can't see any way to force it in the installer
• 3078[20:35:28] <jasperarcola> replaced-url
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• 3081[20:35:45] <hexhaxtron> jasperarcola: just a moment.
• 3082[20:35:46] <jasperarcola> and everything thats group services needs to be group replaced-url
• 3083[20:36:01] <sptnx> should be an option to use --force-badname in the installer
• 3084[20:36:21] <jasperarcola> you are using a hashed username home dir setup? so foo's homedir is /home/f/foo ?
• 3085[20:36:28] <hexhaxtron> jasperarcola: drwxr-x---+ 2 pokemongo services 4096 Jul 7 18:12 replaced-url
• 3086[20:36:35] <hexhaxtron> I still get 403 Forbidden.
• 3087[20:36:45] <jasperarcola> should be pokemongo:replaced-url
• 3088[20:37:34] <hexhaxtron> jasperarcola: same thing. 403 Forbidden
• 3089[20:37:54] <jasperarcola> whats the permissions on the directory above?
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• 3091[20:38:26] <jasperarcola> got nginx to get to a file in /home/x/x/replaced-url
• 3092[20:38:26] <sptnx> 750
• 3093[20:38:59] <jasperarcola> so the directories must be either 0755, or group replaced-url
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• 3095[20:39:04] <hexhaxtron> drwxr-x---+ 12 pokemongo services 4096 Jul 10 17:17 pokemongo
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• 3099[20:39:25] <hexhaxtron> jasperarcola: the services group has replaced-url
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• 3101[20:39:48] <jasperarcola> you can't nest groups like that
• 3102[20:39:59] <jmcnaught> sptnx: create the user after you finish the installer
• 3103[20:40:20] <jasperarcola> you could change the replaced-url
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• 3105[20:40:34] <jasperarcola> then nginx can access 0750 foo:services directories
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• 3107[20:40:51] <jasperarcola> you can try things out as replaced-url
• 3108[20:41:08] <jasperarcola> then see which bits of the filesystem you can access
• 3109[20:41:19] <jasperarcola> you can use 'id' to see what group and user you are
• 3110[20:41:44] <jhutchins_wk> jasperarcola: replaced-url
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• 3112[20:42:12] <jasperarcola> which is why i'm telling sudo to run bash ;)
• 3113[20:42:29] <sptnx> jmcnaught: yeah i know there's many way to do that when installer is finish, but i'm lazy and wanna have it right from beginning..
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• 3115[20:42:33] <jhutchins_wk> jasperarcola: Ah, missed that.
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• 3117[20:42:55] <jhutchins_wk> sptnx: Use preseed or kickstart.
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• 3119[20:43:10] <jhutchins_wk> sptnx: How many machines do you build on the average day?
• 3120[20:43:12] <jmcnaught> sptnx: i would consider switching to a username that adduser doesn't complain about
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• 3123[20:45:07] <sptnx> not that many, maybe 5-10 debian a week
• 3124[20:45:34] <greycat> hexhaxtron: For whatever it's worth, nginx, wheezy. I loaded replaced-url
• 3125[20:46:11] <sptnx> jmcnaught: we are using firstname.surname everywhere else so that's not an option. i guess i have to script sed to update /etc/passwd, shadow, and group
• 3126[20:46:19] <greycat> I can show you my nginx config for that virtual host if you wish.
• 3127[20:46:36] <jhutchins_wk> sptnx: That would be worth setting up an automated build.
• 3128[20:47:41] <sptnx> jhutchins_wk: yeah i know. it's on my todo-list so someday :)
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• 3139[20:55:25] <moez> I'm trying to project my debian laptop to my TV using an HDMI / wifi AnyCast, is this possible on debian? do I need a particular software?
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• 3150[21:00:14] <sptnx> moez: try this maybe: replaced-url
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• 3152[21:00:53] <jhutchins_wk> 30 minutes to install, including a couple of pauses waiting for input.
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• 3163[21:03:38] <sptnx> doh! i have blocked all ssh-traffic and just accept my adsl-ip to one of my private servers.. but i dont have adsl anymore, i have fiber with another isp
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• 3171[21:10:34] <dondelelcaro> sptnx: one of the many reasons why it's good to also have a VPN configured as well
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• 3180[21:12:04] <jhutchins_wk> sptnx: You may also want to allow connections between your remote servers so you have multiple paths.
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• 3191[21:16:53] <Violinist> how come my windows get all scttered when i resume from screenlock
• 3192[21:16:53] <sptnx> dondelelcaro: yeah but i wanted keep the open ports minimal.. i have to contact the dc-admin but once i'm in i gonna make some rules so this don't happens again :)
• 3193[21:17:02] <Violinist> its not even going into sleep
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• 3195[21:18:00] <sptnx> it isn't possible to spoof my ip since i already have done the handshake with remote sshd?
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• 3198[21:18:24] <dondelelcaro> sptnx: you could just use sslh or similar
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• 3200[21:18:34] <dondelelcaro> sptnx: and only have :443 open
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• 3203[21:18:54] <moez> sptnx: I tried, but unfortunately I got stuck after "> run 3" (this worked but not sure what to do after)
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• 3207[21:20:32] <jmcnaught> sptnx: if you have the same username scheme on multiple systems, have you thought about using LDAP for all of the first.lastname users, with an admin account creately locally sans '.'?
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• 3212[21:24:36] <sptnx> username coming from ldap/ad and once servers are joined to domain we dont use local username so it's not really an issue, it's just annoying for me that i need use the -l option first time i ssh and then change my username
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• 3217[21:25:36] <jmcnaught> ahh
• 3218[21:25:39] <sptnx> :)
• 3219[21:26:03] <sptnx> i just gave it a shoot, there maybe was a way to force bad username in the install
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• 3233[21:29:13] <jmcnaught> sptnx: if you're running the installer manually, you could try getting a shell in-target and install/configure LDAP before first boot (or with d-i preseed/late_command)
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• 3242[21:32:14] <sptnx> have to configure package manager and install some package before it can join to domain so have to setup root and user first.. make an custom image is probably the best way
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• 3246[21:33:27] <jmcnaught> or use ansible to do the post-install bootstrapping
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• 3264[21:38:06] <tona> hello guys
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• 3267[21:38:59] <tona> ssh restart , it is telling me could not resolve hostname restart: name or service not known, i am wondering if someone could help me
• 3268[21:39:15] <greycat> tona: are you trying to restart the ssh service?
• 3269[21:39:20] <sptnx> jmcnaught: gonna have a look at that, thanks for the tip
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• 3273[21:39:58] <tona> yes i have restart using /etc/init.d/ssh restart but doesnt work
• 3274[21:40:21] <greycat> if you're on jessie or later, as root run systemctl restart ssh
• 3275[21:40:45] <greycat> there are lots of variants that will also work, e.g. systemctl restart sshd.service
• 3276[21:40:50] <greycat> way too many
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• 3281[21:42:06] <jmcnaught> sshd.service is just a symlink to ssh.service
• 3282[21:42:08] <sptnx> jmcnaught: ansible is working just because it just use ssh? you can't do the same with puppet or chief for example?
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• 3285[21:42:46] <esaym153> just upgraded to stretch and see sddm is the recommended DM now, but it doesn't support XDMCP so how do I log in remotely (with gui) now to a stretch install?
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• 3287[21:43:11] <jmcnaught> sptnx: you could install puppet agent as a late_command for example, but one of ansible's advantages is that it uses ssh instead of an agent
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• 3299[21:49:03] <jhutchins_wk> tona: The command you used was telling the ssh client to connect to "restart".
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• 3303[21:50:33] <jhutchins_wk> tona: however, if /etc/init.d/ssh restart didn't work something may be wrong with the config.
• 3304[21:50:58] <greycat> Or he didn't run it as root.
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• 3306[21:51:03] <jhutchins_wk> (Stretch preserves the init scripts as hooks to systemd.)
• 3307[21:51:19] <jhutchins_wk> Yeah, depends on what the response was.
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• 3320[21:59:24] <sorpigal> interfaces(5) says that some options are made available by packages other than ifupdown and that those options are not documented in the interfaces man page. Where can I find documentation for e.g. the interfaces options provided by the wpasupplicant package?
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• 3322[22:00:05] <sptnx> jmcnaught: i will definitely look at that tomorrow.. seems promising for my requirements
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• 3324[22:00:19] <jhutchins_wk> !wpasupplicant
• 3325[22:00:19] <dpkg> Wi-Fi Protected Access (WPA) is a wireless encryption standard. A WPA supplicant for Debian systems is in the wpasupplicant package, read /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/README.Debian.gz to configure (especially "Troubleshooting" for association to hidden SSIDs). Since Debian 7 "Wheezy", it is possible to install Debian over a WPA-protected network. replaced-url
• 3326[22:00:34] <jmcnaught> sptnx: i really love ansible, i use it for all of my configuration management
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• 3329[22:01:21] <jhutchins_wk> phogg: The Networking docs on the wiki may also be helpful, I think they explain interfaces vs. network-manager options.
• 3330[22:01:28] <phogg> aha, so the answer in this case is "it's in the README.Debian.gz." Is that going to be the same for all other packages providing extensions?
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• 3332[22:02:47] <jhutchins_wk> phogg: It varies, different people work on different packages and do things their own way.
• 3333[22:03:10] <jhutchins_wk> phogg: It's always good to check those files, although it's often unrewarding.
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• 3335[22:03:34] <sptnx> jmcnaught: i'm using puppet today for patching and some other tasks but gonna do some research about ansible and maybe can use it
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• 3337[22:03:38] <jhutchins_wk> phogg: Remember that anything in Linux that is fully documented is also obsolete and depricated.
• 3338[22:03:42] <phogg> jhutchins_wk: sure would be nice if there were some central place to learn about all interfaces options for all currently installed packages
• 3339[22:03:49] <phogg> jhutchins_wk: touche
• 3340[22:04:21] <jmcnaught> sptnx: you might not want to replace puppet with it, but it might be enough to fill the gap between fresh install and puppet ready
• 3341[22:04:22] <jhutchins_wk> phogg: That's where the generalised networking docs help some, they cover multiple pieces.
• 3342[22:05:07] <jhutchins_wk> sptnx: Remember that puppet is intended for repetitive reconfiguration or enforcement. Ansible's a bit more flexible about doing fix-once chores.
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• 3346[22:06:15] <phogg> speaking more generally is there some kind of common convention for situations like this where multiple packages all share related docs that should be seen together?
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• 3352[22:07:47] <jhutchins_wk> Well, there's "mount", which refers to the individual filesystem modules for options specific to them.
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• 3355[22:08:50] <greycat> phogg: in an ideal world they would each depend on foobar-doc
• 3356[22:09:14] <greycat> or suggest or whatever the hell it is
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• 3359[22:10:05] <phogg> if only info existed and I could hyperlink between manuals...
• 3360[22:10:11] <phogg> thanks for the answers guys
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• 3375[22:14:29] <Pan_013> replaced-url
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• 3385[22:15:49] <Hadron2> I'm trying to install Stretch on a Dell R815 that has a PERC H200 (SAS2008) for an HBA.
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• 3387[22:16:42] <Hadron2> Lenny worked OK, but Stretch sees the card, but doesn't initialize it. "mpt2sas_cm0: can't allocate adapter memory"
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• 3391[22:17:49] <Hadron2> So far Google hasn't been helpful.
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• 3393[22:18:14] <Hadron2> I've flashed the card to the lastest firmware, as well as two revs back.
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• 3395[22:19:11] <jhutchins_wk> Hadron2: What's the PCIID?
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• 3397[22:19:35] <jhutchins_wk> Hadron2: lspci -nn
• 3398[22:20:24] <Hadron2> 'lspci -vvvvv' returns it as "Dell PERC H200 Integrated"
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• 3406[22:23:03] <Hadron2> 05:00.0 Serial Attached SCSI controller [0107]: LSI Logic / Symbios Logic SAS2008 PCI-Express Fusion-MPT SAS-2 (Falcon) [1000:0072] (rev 03)
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• 3411[22:24:10] <jhutchins_wk> , pciix 1000:0072
• 3412[22:24:15] <jhutchins_wk> , pciid 1000:0072
• 3413[22:24:16] <judd> [1000:0072] is 'SAS2008 PCI-Express Fusion-MPT SAS-2 [Falcon]' from 'LSI Logic / Symbios Logic' with kernel module 'mpt2sas' in jessie. See also replaced-url
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• 3417[22:25:08] <Hadron2> 'dmesg | grep mpt2sas' returns three lines. The last line is the 'can't allocate adapter memory'.
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• 3423[22:27:14] <jhutchins_wk> Hadron2: Is there removable memory on the card?
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• 3429[22:30:07] <Hadron2> Unknown, but doubtful. The machine is in the middle of a rack. Would have to schedule a window to pull it out and physically check.
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• 3440[22:33:24] <jhutchins_wk> Hadron2: So presumably it's correctly installed and physically configured.
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• 3442[22:33:43] <jhutchins_wk> Hadron2: At this point I'm afraid it's too hardware specific for me to be much help.
• 3443[22:33:45] <Hadron2> jhutchins_wk The end goal here is to evaluate Proxmox 5.x. When I asked the Proxmox guys about this, they said they were based directly on Stretch, and to try that. I tried the installers and the Live. None of them will init/use the card.
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• 3445[22:34:10] <Hadron2> It originally had Ubuntu Server 14.04 on it and worked like a champ.
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• 3503[22:58:40] <paule32> hello
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• 3507[22:58:59] <paule32> i need your help to get work gpm
• 3508[22:59:17] <paule32> i have manually add it to the system
• 3509[22:59:37] <rapha> Hi
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• 3511[22:59:47] <paule32> and manually create mouse devices like /dev/mous0/1 or mice
• 3512[23:00:17] <paule32> but when i start gpm -p ps2 /dev/input/mouse0
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• 3514[23:00:49] <rapha> I just installed a new kernel (via self-built .debs) on a device where the root partition sits on an mmcblk. Now, even with the OLD kernel, it says "unable to find root device" (the UUID is the correct one though) and complains about missing modules (even with the OLD kernel). How do you debug something like this?
• 3515[23:00:49] <paule32> and move the mouse i get random behavoir
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• 3517[23:01:06] <paule32> what can i do to work right?
• 3518[23:01:15] <paule32> note: it is a usb mice
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• 3526[23:02:02] <jmcnaught> rapha: you may not have all of the required modules in the initrd
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• 3529[23:02:54] <rapha> jmcnaught: but that would mean that my self-built kernel .debs somehow managed to change the old (debian-supplied) kernel's initrd, even though I never touched any initrd configuration? (I don't even know where it is)
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• 3531[23:03:28] <jmcnaught> rapha: how did you make the .deb?
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• 3535[23:03:48] <rapha> jmcnaught: Via the method you showed me earlier today; "make deb-pkg".
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• 3538[23:03:59] <jmcnaught> oh okay
• 3539[23:04:01] <rapha> jmcnaught: (And the kernel itself seems to be sound; it boots)
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• 3542[23:04:51] <rapha> jmcnaught: At replaced-url
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• 3544[23:04:52] <Maxdamantus> Regarding replaced-url
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• 3546[23:05:22] <rapha> Maxdamantus: perhaps its Debian showing systemd a bit of a finger. At least I hope it is :)
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• 3548[23:05:57] <Maxdamantus> If it's the latter, I imagine it would be a pretty serious security issue if `User=0foo` ran as "0foo" one day, then when systemd was upgraded the next it starting running as root.
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• 3551[23:06:27] <rapha> Not untrue I guess...
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• 3555[23:07:14] <Maxdamantus> I can't see mention of it in the mailing lists I'm reading regarding the issue.
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• 3557[23:07:29] <jmcnaught> rapha: did you look at chapter 7 of that kernel handbook?
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• 3559[23:07:39] <Maxdamantus> Might just have to figure out how to build/test systemd when I get home.
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• 3562[23:08:35] <jmcnaught> Maxdamantus: note that it would require root to get a service unit with a User=0badusername in place
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• 3564[23:09:07] <jmcnaught> Debian's adduser also stops you from using a 0 to start a username unless you override it
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• 3568[23:09:57] <Maxdamantus> jmcnaught: right, but someone running a system like mine could have already added such a user and .service file .. it would be bad if that system upgraded systemd at some point and started running the service as oot.
• 3569[23:10:13] <rapha> jmcnaught: Enough of it to know about subsection 7.2.3 :)
• 3570[23:10:18] <saul> the netinst iso flashed to usb and booting off that is complaining about not finding the installation CD ...
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• 3572[23:10:19] <Maxdamantus> Hm. I've never user `adduser` .. seems to add fine with `useradd`
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• 3574[23:10:54] <jmcnaught> Maxdamantus: adduser is the recommended tool, it is Debian specific
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• 3576[23:11:24] <rapha> Nevermind, wrong handbook...
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• 3578[23:11:49] <rapha> jmcnaught: Indeed, the zcat | cpio thing looks handy!
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• 3581[23:12:21] * Maxdamantus doesn't remember ever being recommended to use it, and is inclined to just use the same tool he uses on non-debian systems.
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• 3583[23:13:13] <jmcnaught> the presence of adduser is in Debian documentation, and it does try to stop you from using usernames that could be invalid in certain contexts
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• 3585[23:13:28] <jmcnaught> still, that systemd issue is a good thing to be aware of
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• 3591[23:14:19] <Maxdamantus> So is there a general assumption in debian that usernames conform to the syntax allowed by `adduser`? If so, shouldn't other standard tools like `useradd` be patched?
• 3592[23:15:00] <Maxdamantus> I imagine it would be weird to expect a Gentoo/Redhat/whatever user to look up documentation before adding a user in debian.
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• 3595[23:15:59] <jmcnaught> users that don't read docs miss out on stuff i guess
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• 3600[23:17:14] <Maxdamantus> Well, users who already know how to add users on unix-like systems and assume debian is another unix-like system.
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• 3602[23:17:27] <jmcnaught> anyways i don't think this systemd User= bug is a big deal really. also 222 is a really strange version of systemd to have on a Debian system
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• 3608[23:18:07] <jmcnaught> Maxdamantus: and those tools are there for those users who want to use them, and for others that discover it there is the adduser command provided by Debian (and available on all of its derivatives)
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• 3612[23:19:49] <jmcnaught> and if a major system component of several distros (systemd) is refusing to accept usernames starting with a digit as valid, then one can avoid problems but not starting usernames with digits
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• 3615[23:20:35] <Maxdamantus> Mm, judging by the date on the file in /var/cache/apt, I'm pretty sure it was installed from `stable` when I set up the system two years ago, and hasn't been updated through `apt-get upgrade`
• 3616[23:21:02] <jmcnaught> jessie had 215, stretch has 232
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• 3618[23:21:10] <Maxdamantus> (I do run `apt-get upgrade` .. it just hasn't updated systemd)
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• 3620[23:21:31] <rapha> jmcnaught: Okay, so my 4.12 /lib/modules directory inside the initrd is missing any actual modules. The 4.9 one doesn't. Which makes it even more curious why the standard kernel/initrd combination has stopped working? *puzzled*
• 3621[23:22:07] <jmcnaught> rapha: having trouble parsing that clearly.
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• 3624[23:22:58] <Brigo> rapha, have you updated your initrd?
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• 3638[23:27:05] <rapha> Brigo: yes, by now multiple times.
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• 3643[23:27:56] <rapha> jmcnaught: Sorry. Perhaps it's best to stick to one thing. The new kernel's initrd does not contain any modules, even though it's (ostensibly?) build with the same settings and modules are available. Might that be part of the problem?
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• 3647[23:28:42] <Tenkawa> rapha: ok so for that kernel the /lib/modules contains .ko/etc files and such?
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• 3649[23:29:15] <Tenkawa> what method are you using for creating the initram?
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• 3651[23:29:55] <Tenkawa> the version name matches up too right?
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• 3656[23:30:41] <dTal> How does one run the installer from the LiveCD (without rebooting into that particular GRUB option)? Or is that still supported?
• 3657[23:30:58] <Brigo> dTal, afaik, you can't.
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• 3662[23:31:37] <Tenkawa> if its being done with grub cat hit still hit e make changes then ctrl x or is that gone?
• 3663[23:31:49] <Tenkawa> er cat/cant
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• 3665[23:31:53] <rapha> Tenkawa: find /lib/modules/4.12.0-wintron-7-0-jrs/ -type f -name '*.ko*' | wc -l returns 3719, so yeah, plenty of .ko files.
• 3666[23:31:59] <dTal> Brigo: That's funny, you definitely could with Jessie.
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• 3670[23:32:33] <rapha> Tenkawa: I tried two methods: update-initramfs, and dpkg-reconfigure.
• 3671[23:32:33] <Brigo> dTal, i know
• 3672[23:32:38] <Tenkawa> rapha: whats your initramfs build syntax?
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• 3674[23:32:53] <rapha> Tenkawa: the version names between vmlinuz and initrd? Yes, they are a match.
• 3675[23:33:06] <Tenkawa> you ran a depmod too right?
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• 3677[23:33:29] <rapha> Tenkawa: where? On the box that built the kernel? Or on the box where I installed the .deb files?
• 3678[23:33:37] <Tenkawa> just throwing thoughts out that confuse modules.. this one is odd..
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• 3680[23:33:47] <rapha> Tenkawa: re. initramfs build syntax I'm not sure what you mean.
• 3681[23:34:07] <rapha> Tenkawa: maybe it's odd because the box where I built it and the ones where I installed the .debs are different machines?
• 3682[23:34:18] <Tenkawa> rapha: when you use update-initramfs you have to give it syntax to build it properly
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• 3684[23:34:47] <rapha> Tenkawa: ah! I used "update-initramfs -k all -c -t"
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• 3686[23:35:08] <Tenkawa> or leave out the -c
• 3687[23:35:11] <rapha> Maybe I should try booting the old kernel again, now. I didn't try that. Only the new one.
• 3688[23:35:18] <Tenkawa> and replace the -k all with
• 3689[23:35:23] <Tenkawa> -k (kernel ver)
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• 3691[23:35:43] <rapha> oh... that makes a diff? o_O
• 3692[23:35:48] <Tenkawa> to test only that one you just were working with
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• 3694[23:36:13] <Tenkawa> see if that changes it any
• 3695[23:36:27] <rapha> k
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• 3700[23:38:05] <Brigo> maybe you can get some tips from the update-initramfs output.
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• 3702[23:38:49] <rapha> Tenkawa: okay, so the original debian kernel boots again. That might point to some interference somewhere.
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• 3704[23:39:23] <Brigo> rapha, have you installed the kernel from debian packages?
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• 3707[23:39:37] <rapha> Brigo: yes. They were created using "make deb-pkg".
• 3708[23:39:46] <rapha> Brigo: but on another machine (a VM)
• 3709[23:40:11] <Brigo> rapha, ok, just asking. I joined the channel too late. :)
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• 3715[23:41:08] <rapha> :)
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• 3721[23:42:44] <rapha> Okay, there's def something awry here.
• 3722[23:42:59] <rapha> Booted into the system itself now (without rescue USB stick)
• 3723[23:43:21] <rapha> Tried update-initramfs again for the new kernel. Still no modules in there, although 62MB of modules are available.
• 3724[23:44:42] <rapha> Tenkawa: Brigo: btw not sure if this helps, but I'm using this guy's kernel config: replaced-url
• 3725[23:45:09] <rapha> (Just on 4.12, not 4.12-rc6, but "make oldconfig" had no complaints about that)
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• 3730[23:48:07] <rapha> And doing all that jazz on the build VM has the same result.
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• 3743[23:53:35] <rapha> Tenkawa: it really is really very strange. I explicitly specified some modules in the "modules" file now. But none of them end up in there.
• 3744[23:53:38] <Brigo> rapha, maybe running update-initramfs with -v will give you a clue
• 3745[23:53:44] <rapha> Hmm
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• 3757[23:56:22] <rapha> Brigo: unlike the working one, it doesn't say "Adding module" a lot. It's not giving a clue as to why, though.
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• 3762[23:57:51] <Tenkawa> sync
• 3763[23:57:55] <Tenkawa> oops sorry
• 3764[23:57:59] <Tenkawa> cheers all
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• 3766[23:58:17] <rapha> Brigo: I found a difference! All the modules for the new kernel are .gz'd!
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• 3768[23:58:47] <Brigo> rapha, in /lib/modules ?
• 3769[23:59:17] <rapha> Brigo: yes.
• 3770[23:59:27] <Brigo> well, that's new.
• 3771[23:59:36] <rapha> That they are or that they are not?
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