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8 [00:03:05] <mono> Also, for some reason directory sizes only get reported in kB in the file browser.
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11 [00:03:59] <mono> So I had 24GB in a folder and didn't know because it got reported as a few kB.
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17 [00:07:26] <jelly> mono, use du to figure out which directory makes up most space, eg. du -hx /mount/point | sort -h | tail
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20 [00:08:49] <Canucktux_> does anyone have any idea when thunderbird 52< are going to be in backports?
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24 [00:09:06] <Canucktux_> I'm having this bug and can't log into any of my Gmails replaced-url
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29 [00:10:57] <jelly> ,v icedove
30 [00:10:58] <judd> Package: icedove on amd64 -- wheezy: 38.7.0-1~deb7u1; jessie-security: 1:45.6.0-1~deb8u1; wheezy-security: 1:45.6.0-2~deb7u1; wheezy-security: 1:45.8.0-3~deb7u1; jessie: 1:45.8.0-3~deb8u1; jessie-security: 1:45.8.0-3~deb8u1; buster: 1:45.8.0-3; sid: 1:45.8.0-3; stretch: 1:45.8.0-3; sid: 1:52.2.1-3; sid: 1:52.2.1-4
31 [00:11:06] <jelly> ,v thunderbird
32 [00:11:07] <judd> Package: thunderbird on amd64 -- wheezy-security: 1:45.8.0-3~deb7u1; jessie: 1:45.8.0-3~deb8u1; jessie-security: 1:45.8.0-3~deb8u1; stretch: 1:45.8.0-3; buster: 1:45.8.0-3; sid: 1:52.2.1-4
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37 [00:13:14] <Canucktux_> well atleast it's in sid
38 [00:13:32] <Canucktux_> I don't think I have sid enabled, only experimental
39 [00:13:42] <jelly> and you shouldn't
40 [00:13:46] <Canucktux_> true
41 [00:13:52] <Canucktux_> ,v mpv
42 [00:13:53] <judd> Package: mpv on amd64 -- jessie: 0.6.2-2; stretch: 0.23.0-2+b2; sid: 0.25.0-3+b3; buster: 0.25.0-3+b3; jessie-multimedia: 1:0.8.3-dmo1; stretch-multimedia: 1:0.25.0-dmo2; sid-multimedia: 1:0.25.0-dmo3; buster-multimedia: 1:0.25.0-dmo3
43 [00:14:26] <Canucktux_> oh hey stretch has .25 now, I can move everything to stable
44 [00:14:37] <jelly> since 52.x is the only version supported by upstream anyway, it's possible you're going to get a proper build for debian 9 anyway
45 [00:14:53] <Canucktux_> yay
46 [00:15:05] <jelly> just like firefox
47 [00:15:18] <Canucktux_> rough idea when?
48 [00:15:29] <Canucktux_> replaced-url
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51 [00:16:49] <Canucktux_> weird that one of my 3 gmails still happily connects
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53 [00:17:29] <haos> hi
54 [00:17:36] <haos> i have a trouble with lxc-2.0.8.1
55 [00:17:42] <haos> this is log: replaced-url
56 [00:17:47] <haos> my default config is replaced-url
57 [00:17:54] <haos> is this bug, or my mistake?
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62 [00:20:50] <blawiz> is there some package to make virtual machines in debian stretch?
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65 [00:21:53] <nkuttler> blawiz: several. what's your use case?
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67 [00:22:31] <blawiz> nkuttler: want to try out openbsd
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69 [00:24:33] <nkuttler> blawiz: not sure.. virtualbox perhaps, if there are guest tools for the bsds
70 [00:25:24] <teraflops> nkuttler: virtualbox is not in stretch iirc
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73 [00:26:46] <blawiz> i dont see it here either
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75 [00:27:22] <haos> blawiz: did you try kvm?
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79 [00:28:40] <blawiz> haos: no, what is it?
80 [00:28:42] <MarioMey> Hi, there. I'm trying to sudo apt update and it says on "Des:40 replaced-url
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83 [00:28:51] <MarioMey> How to solve it?
84 [00:28:54] <teraflops> plain qemu/kvm is fine, if you want GUI there's virt-manager. gnome boxes does KVM too
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88 [00:31:09] <MarioMey> *stays
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93 [00:32:36] <in1t3r_> MarioMey, check the network connectivity reconnect your wifi or dhco and try pinging the server.
94 [00:32:51] <Canucktux_> yeah, gnome-boxes is fine for just dicking around
95 [00:33:06] <in1t3r_> YOu might want to use a particular mirror because you end up in a screw with a cdn round-robin transfer
96 [00:33:19] <MarioMey> It did this this morning (now it's evening) and I had to reconnect some times during the day...
97 [00:33:22] <in1t3r_> I mean you might hit a mirror which was down at that moment
98 [00:33:23] <MarioMey> in1t3r_: ^
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100 [00:33:39] <francine> Can I replace systemd with something else in stretch?
101 [00:33:40] <MarioMey> in1t3r_: how to ping it?
102 [00:33:55] <in1t3r_> Just change the mirrors for some other mirror not a mirrors because mirros is a http redirector
103 [00:34:02] <in1t3r_> like a http.debian.net
104 [00:34:05] <MarioMey> Just ping replaced-url
105 [00:34:09] <nkuttler> !tell francine about remove systemd
106 [00:34:16] <MarioMey> in1t3r_: ping: replaced-url
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108 [00:34:25] <in1t3r_> ping mirrors.kernel.org should give you the smae mirror based on your location
109 [00:34:34] <in1t3r_> no you dont ping http
110 [00:34:43] <francine> "To use an init system other than systemd in jessie". I asked for stretch.
111 [00:34:44] <in1t3r_> ping mirrors.kernel.org
112 [00:34:50] <MarioMey> Doing it
113 [00:35:05] <in1t3r_> which address it returns resolve to?
114 [00:35:08] <in1t3r_> Which IP
115 [00:35:19] <nkuttler> francine: yeah, so try what it suggests..
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117 [00:35:30] <jelly> francine, those recipes work in stretch as well
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119 [00:36:31] <MarioMey> in1t3r_: 64 bytes from mirrors.kernel.org (149.20.37.36): icmp_seq=100 ttl=51 time=302 ms
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121 [00:37:16] <in1t3r_> its a hell of a big ping value for a mirror
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123 [00:37:55] <in1t3r_> MarioMey, I don;t know why you are not using debian mirrors that are closer to your country?
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125 [00:38:43] <MarioMey> I'm new on Debian (I came from Ubuntu). I added sources from this page: replaced-url
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127 [00:39:06] <MarioMey> Oh, it's a Guatemala site...
128 [00:39:24] <MarioMey> in1t3r_: where should I get local mirrors?
129 [00:39:24] <in1t3r_> MarioMey, use this guide replaced-url
130 [00:39:50] <jelly> !mirror list
131 [00:39:50] <dpkg> The best mirror for most users is <deb.debian.org>; other mirrors are listed at replaced-url
132 [00:40:14] <in1t3r_> MarioMey, this is a list of the official mirrors primary and secondary replaced-url
133 [00:40:43] <qu1nn-1> been an owncloud user on opensuse for years. i typically set it and forget it (as long as it works, so I dont really tinker). I need to update OS (and I want to get on track with Nextcloud) and am thinking of going to doing debian... anyone here use nextcloud? any major issues?
134 [00:40:47] <in1t3r_> you could use a netselect-apt for it too or just choose one from your country
135 [00:40:52] <jelly> there's a few in .ar it seems
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137 [00:41:15] <in1t3r_> MarioMey, you are from?
138 [00:41:27] <in1t3r_> hey jelly :)
139 [00:41:29] <MarioMey> in1t3r_: Argentina.
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145 [00:42:41] <in1t3r_> This from primary list el salvador replaced-url
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148 [00:42:53] <in1t3r_> or better this two from argentina debian.unnoba.edu.ar mirrors.dcarsat.com.ar
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150 [00:43:16] <MarioMey> Ok, now... how should I add this mirrors?
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152 [00:44:05] <in1t3r_> open up a nano /etc/apt/sources.list and change mirrors.kernel.org to the mirrors.dcarsat.com.ar
153 [00:44:08] <teraflops> to be honest, being picky with mirror location is not big deal. it helps a bit being closer but being closer does not guarantee better download speeds at all
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157 [00:45:51] <MarioMey> teraflops: I understand, thanks.
158 [00:45:53] <in1t3r_> or just use this deb replaced-url
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160 [00:46:34] <jelly> deb.debian.org is preferred to http.debian.net
161 [00:46:50] <MarioMey> in1t3r_: "Fallo temporal al resolver «mirrors.dcarsat.org»"...
162 [00:46:51] <MarioMey> :/
163 [00:47:07] <MarioMey> I have to be with my daughter... see you later.
164 [00:47:13] <MarioMey> She has fever...
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167 [00:48:07] <jelly> MarioMey, you missed .ar in "mirrors.dcarsat.com.ar"
168 [00:48:08] <in1t3r_> ok post on paste.debian.net your sources.list and I'll give you proper format.
169 [00:48:29] <jelly> and there's no .org either, huh
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180 [00:52:50] <in1t3r_> MarioMey, if your sources.list have original mirrors.kernel.org you could just run as root sed -i 's/mirrors.kernel.org/mirrors.dcarsat.com.ar/g' /etc/apt/sources.list make sure all of the lines have replaced-url
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189 [00:57:10] <aindilis> where would be the correct channel to ask questions about whether a given system would make a good web host?
190 [00:57:14] <aindilis> in terms of hardware
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192 [00:57:54] <in1t3r_> aindilis, any tech channel :)
193 [00:58:05] <in1t3r_> shoot your question :)
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195 [00:59:32] <aindilis> okay, so I'm thinking about purchasing a super cheap 6 cpu amd opteron 2389 or 2419 (24@replaced-ip ) total, w a boatload of ram since my application requires a lot of ram. I am wondering if these older processors, with multicore passmark around 6000 would make adequate web hosts?
196 [00:59:47] <jelly> in1t3r_, that's not really a debian-specific question
197 [00:59:49] <aindilis> in particular, will people get pissed at a 1.8GHz processor since my app is already really slow
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199 [01:00:19] <MarioMey> jelly: you are right! I fixed it... let's see...
200 [01:00:34] <jelly> aindilis, if your app is single-thread oriented, they probably will
201 [01:00:55] <aindilis> so paying an extra 50% for the 2.9GHz should be worthwihle?
202 [01:01:00] <in1t3r_> aindilis, YOu can join also the ##hardware
203 [01:01:04] <aindilis> ty
204 [01:01:04] <in1t3r_> and ask there
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209 [01:01:48] <in1t3r_> Why not the web host can be run even with less it is how you implement it and how big website you need to run.
210 [01:01:53] <in1t3r_> I mean a webhost.
211 [01:02:29] <jelly> aindilis, identify your actual bottlenecks and you'll have an idea for hw specs
212 [01:02:43] <in1t3r_> aindilis, how amny websites how much of visitors are you setting it up yourself so you are making decision whether to use appache or nginx or whether to use mysql or postgresql
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214 [01:03:18] <jelly> perhaps ask in #web
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218 [01:04:00] <in1t3r_> aindilis, do you need a failover and redundancy is the uptime main problem then you might think on round robin and having at least two servers running with a nginx as a cahsing server in front. there are too many questions and they are all implementation specific
219 [01:04:13] <jelly> when you have something pertinent to an actual Debian installation, then continue asking here
220 [01:06:39] <in1t3r_> MarioMey, btw for the cases your mirror go down you could install netselect-apt
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228 [01:12:14] <MarioMey> in1t3r_: a friend of min recommended replaced-url
229 [01:12:29] <MarioMey> in1t3r_: I just installed netselect-apt
230 [01:12:33] <MarioMey> How do I use it?
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233 [01:13:07] <MarioMey> I run with sudo... let's see....
234 [01:13:26] <in1t3r_> netselect-apt --help
235 [01:13:51] <in1t3r_> its not that hard MarioMey
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245 [01:17:41] <luxio> If I download a deb and install with dpkg, do I need to download the dependencies too?
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251 [01:19:28] <haos> luxio: yes, if you dont have it installed
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257 [01:21:34] <dermanis> you can try apt-get -f install to fix the dependencies
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262 [01:23:54] <wonderfulmee> hello there, any IMAP specialists out there?
263 [01:24:08] <MarioMey> in1t3r_: it's strange...
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265 [01:24:37] <MarioMey> I used netselect-apt and overwrote sources.list... but it gets stuck again.
266 [01:24:41] <wonderfulmee> as in, how do I download whole IMAP mailboxes (offlineimap does it)
267 [01:24:57] <MarioMey> And always, the last or previous-last line is about "Translation-en"
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269 [01:25:14] <MarioMey> Now, it is "Des:13 replaced-url
270 [01:25:37] <wonderfulmee> and conver it into HTML, like nopriv does
271 [01:25:43] <wonderfulmee> *convert
272 [01:26:13] <wonderfulmee> basically, how do I convert a local maildir into HTML?
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274 [01:26:50] <wonderfulmee> or .PST
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276 [01:27:13] <wonderfulmee> html would be my prefenrece
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278 [01:27:23] <wonderfulmee> *preference
279 [01:27:36] <in1t3r_> MarioMey, sed -i 's/mirrors.tecnoera.com/mirrors.dcarsat.com.ar/g' /etc/apt/source.list
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281 [01:27:42] <in1t3r_> run as root
282 [01:27:46] <in1t3r_> sorry
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284 [01:27:51] <in1t3r_> MarioMey, sed -i 's/mirrors.tecnoera.com/mirrors.dcarsat.com.ar/g' /etc/apt/sources.list
285 [01:28:01] <wonderfulmee> and whatever is the alternative to hypermail nowadays
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288 [01:28:38] <wonderfulmee> not one of you is archiving mail, seems like
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294 [01:29:44] <wonderfulmee> here's a case
295 [01:30:01] <wonderfulmee> I need to distribute a remote IMAP mailbox to multiple local users
296 [01:30:14] <john_rambo> I have a folder totaling 6GB ....I want to split is into 2 parts ... 3GB each how do I do that ?
297 [01:30:57] <wonderfulmee> do I just set up offlineimap, mv the mail to the corresponding IMAP local mailbox
298 [01:31:04] <wonderfulmee> is there a better way?
299 [01:31:19] <ryouma> john_rambo: there is a program in debian for this but idr what it is
300 [01:31:28] <hanshenrik> john_rambo, do you know any scripting/programming language whatsoever?
301 [01:31:30] <wonderfulmee> as in, converting it all to HTML
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303 [01:31:45] <wonderfulmee> like nopriv.py does, only it doesn't work with offline sources
304 [01:31:51] <hanshenrik> ohh sorry read that wrong
305 [01:31:53] <john_rambo> hanshenrik, Nope
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307 [01:32:12] <wonderfulmee> how do you mass-distribute an IMAP mailbox
308 [01:32:34] <in1t3r_> john_rambo, how about running du command on the folder and running mkdir for toher directory and running mv to move the big files into other one?
309 [01:32:41] <hanshenrik> wonderfulmee, nfs + maildir
310 [01:32:56] <wonderfulmee> unless you set up a dovecot installation and mv them messages into corresponding mailboxes
311 [01:33:44] <wonderfulmee> hanshenrik: NFS is out of the question. then again, how do I achieve maildir being in Thunderbird, Outlook or wherever
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313 [01:33:48] <in1t3r_> du /path/to/your/folder -ah should give you the files and directories sizes
314 [01:33:49] <wonderfulmee> the transport is not the issue
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316 [01:33:52] <john_rambo> One file is more than 5 GB and the rest is 1 GB approx in1t3r_
317 [01:34:00] <|DM|> Is there a way for me to provide a i386 version of a lib to a specific program ?
318 [01:34:09] <in1t3r_> you can run split
319 [01:34:14] <jelly> wonderfulmee, why not set up local dovecot and give them all access to one copy. Why does it have to be static html and not imap?
320 [01:34:20] <|DM|> ie I have a program that needs openssl 386 for libcrypto, but I don't want to replace my entire ssl for it
321 [01:34:27] <in1t3r_> if its not a binary file
322 [01:34:52] <john_rambo> in1t3r_, Its a Windows game
323 [01:35:25] <wonderfulmee> jelly: basically what I'd really like is a mirror of a remote imap server account being available at a local dovecot
324 [01:35:28] <hanshenrik> wonderfulmee, iirc, you tell dovecot to set up the maildirs to your preferred format (and the only format that handles large amounts of email well, is Maildir. the popular alternative Mbox does NOT handle gigabytes of mails well) - and when Thunderbird or Outlook or whatever connects to the email server, dovecot tells whatever the format used
325 [01:35:30] <wonderfulmee> that's doable
326 [01:35:40] <jelly> |DM|, debian is multiarch capable since 7.0, if you install libssl1.0.2:i386 it won't replace libssl1.0.2:amd64
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328 [01:35:56] <jelly> dpkg, tell |DM| about multiarch
329 [01:36:06] <wonderfulmee> but last time I touched a mail server or them likes was like 20+ years ago
330 [01:36:07] <hanshenrik> wonderfulmee, additionally, Maildir uses a lot of inodes, so you'd better use zfs or btrfs or some filesystem not limited by inodes
331 [01:36:25] <wonderfulmee> we're talking 100gb+
332 [01:36:27] <hanshenrik> wonderfulmee, the default ext4 inode limit is 4 million, i think
333 [01:36:32] <wonderfulmee> all in all
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335 [01:36:50] <wonderfulmee> so the FS might be an issue but ext4 seems to be doing just fine
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337 [01:37:12] <wonderfulmee> basically, I have a remote IMAP account
338 [01:37:14] <in1t3r_> john_rambo, no luck then you can still run split -n2 thegamefile
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340 [01:37:19] <jelly> hanshenrik, the limit depends on fs size and mkfs options used for ext4
341 [01:37:22] <wonderfulmee> several accounts
342 [01:37:30] <wonderfulmee> I want to mirror them at a local dovecot
343 [01:37:39] <john_rambo> in1t3r_, Okay
344 [01:37:40] <in1t3r_> just make a backup first
345 [01:37:51] <wonderfulmee> so that random people would be able to mirror that shit through their Thunderbird/Outlook clients
346 [01:37:52] <|DM|> jelly, does libssl provide libcrypto? I thought that came with openssl, and when i try to install openssl:i386 it does tell me it will remove the 64bit package
347 [01:37:55] <hanshenrik> jelly, yeah, and when you give mkfs.ext4 no inode options, what is the default number of inodes?
348 [01:37:57] <jelly> |DM|, yes.
349 [01:38:10] <hanshenrik> jelly, and keep in mind, in ext, the number of inodes cannot be altered after fomatting x.x
350 [01:38:17] <wonderfulmee> and I don't know shit about dovecot. is that doable?
351 [01:38:23] <hanshenrik> err, after fs creation*
352 [01:38:27] <jelly> |DM|, openssl is split into multiple binary packages
353 [01:38:45] <MarioMey> in1t3r_: no matter which mirror I use... it does the same always.
354 [01:38:47] <wonderfulmee> I really believe ext4 would do its job
355 [01:38:51] <MarioMey> I did what you told me.
356 [01:39:07] <MarioMey> Now: "Des:13 replaced-url
357 [01:39:11] <wonderfulmee> last time I sat up a mail server was 1998
358 [01:39:23] <|DM|> and libcrypto is under libssl? Ok. Then why does this program complain aout not having libcrypto, I already have libssl1.0.2:i386 installed
359 [01:39:24] <jelly> hanshenrik, the default depends on e2fsprogs version and what's in your /etc/mke2fs.conf, and is, I think, roughly byte-size-of-blockdev / 8192
360 [01:39:32] <MarioMey> Well, the real last line is "0 [Trabajando]".
361 [01:39:33] <wonderfulmee> I don't know shit about setting up mail servers in 2017
362 [01:39:34] <|DM|> its asking for libcrypto.so.1.0.0
363 [01:39:38] <wonderfulmee> specifically, dovecat
364 [01:39:39] <MarioMey> Well, the real last line is "0% [Trabajando]".
365 [01:39:47] <jelly> hanshenrik, so a 100GB fs gets 12M inodes or so
366 [01:39:57] <in1t3r_> MarioMey, does it exited to a shell or it still waits?
367 [01:40:20] <jelly> |DM|, which debian release are you on?
368 [01:40:21] <wonderfulmee> can I feed dovecat random maildirs?
369 [01:40:25] <in1t3r_> do you have something in the sources.list.d directory?
370 [01:40:40] <MarioMey> in1t3r_: It still waits.
371 [01:40:40] <hanshenrik> wonderfulmee, yes dovecot works fine with maildir
372 [01:40:45] <wonderfulmee> would it serve those maildirs to windows clients?
373 [01:40:45] <hanshenrik> format
374 [01:40:46] <|DM|> jelly, debian sid. with ldd it seems it also cant find libssl
375 [01:40:49] <jelly> |DM|, pastebin the output of ldd /path/to/your/binary
376 [01:40:51] <hanshenrik> wonderfulmee, works fine for me, yeah
377 [01:40:53] <wonderfulmee> via IMAP
378 [01:40:55] <|DM|> Is this because I have 1.0.2 and it wants 1.0.0 ?
379 [01:40:57] <hanshenrik> yep
380 [01:40:57] <in1t3r_> ls -l /etc/apt/sources.list.d/
381 [01:41:11] <wonderfulmee> thanks for that, gotta have a piss
382 [01:41:13] <jelly> |DM|, you shouldn't use sid if you can't deal with library breakage :-\
383 [01:42:07] <MarioMey> in1t3r_: -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1507 may 19 19:18 teamviewer.list
384 [01:42:14] <MarioMey> O.o
385 [01:42:38] <jelly> hanshenrik, and growing ext4 filesystem block size grows inode tables size proportionally
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387 [01:42:46] <in1t3r_> cat /etc/apt/sources.list.d/teamviewer.list
388 [01:43:08] <wonderfulmee> hanshenrik, imagine, I had to download a lot of IMAP mail off random IMAP servers with "offlineimap" (look it up, that's a proper good app)
389 [01:43:29] <wonderfulmee> hanshenrik, then I'd like to attach a username and a password to each and everyone
390 [01:43:39] <MarioMey> in1t3r_: replaced-url
391 [01:43:45] <jelly> wonderfulmee, do you need to grab some folder once, or sync it up often?
392 [01:43:46] <wonderfulmee> hanshenrik, and I wouldn't like to use /etc/passwd, neither mysql
393 [01:43:46] <in1t3r_> |DM|, use ldd
394 [01:44:01] <in1t3r_> and do a symbolic link :)
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396 [01:44:09] <hanshenrik> jelly, i've heard otherwise, i've heard that after an ext4 partition has been created, its impossible to change the number of inodes (and i know its not impossible, but i guess they meant "infeasable" )
397 [01:44:11] <wonderfulmee> jelly: the latter.
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399 [01:44:33] <wonderfulmee> jelly: like, once every 24 hours.
400 [01:44:36] <jelly> in1t3r_, no, don't "do a symbolic link", library ABIs exist for a reason
401 [01:44:53] <hanshenrik> wonderfulmee, no need to use either, google "dovecot vmail"
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403 [01:45:15] <jelly> hanshenrik, you heard wrong
404 [01:45:18] <wonderfulmee> vmail is that little file which is basically .htpasswd?
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407 [01:45:32] <wonderfulmee> jelly please go on.
408 [01:45:44] <hanshenrik> jelly, good to know, thanks
409 [01:45:45] <in1t3r_> MarioMey, cat /etc/apt/sources.list
410 [01:45:48] <wonderfulmee> jelly with how do I proper mirror live IMAP accounts
411 [01:45:54] <|DM|> jelly, Idd, but I wanted to learn . Heres the output replaced-url
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413 [01:46:14] <hanshenrik> wonderfulmee, here is a tutorial which i based my production email servers off of: replaced-url
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415 [01:46:31] <|DM|> (and was wondering about hardware support, consdering switching back to stable now that i know 4.9.30 has all that's needed for ryzen)
416 [01:46:40] <hanshenrik> wonderfulmee, it sets up users with a flat textfile user database, works fine here
417 [01:46:41] <MarioMey> in1t3r_: replaced-url
418 [01:46:43] <jelly> wonderfulmee, offlineimap is fine for that
419 [01:46:45] <in1t3r_> when you are using apt it pulls multiple repositories at the same time so the last line is not whats bugging you but one represented in different color try running apt-get update and see where it fails
420 [01:46:45] <wonderfulmee> oh my fuck postfix
421 [01:46:59] <MarioMey> in1t3r_: (it's from netselect-apt)
422 [01:47:09] <wonderfulmee> yeah, that's a decent tutorial for virtual accounts
423 [01:47:12] <|DM|> in1t3r_, you mean just symlinking the 1.0.2 lib to 1.0.0 ?
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425 [01:47:23] <in1t3r_> ok the sources list look fine
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427 [01:47:49] <in1t3r_> oh no didn't read the whole talk |DM| it ight be incompatible
428 [01:47:57] <jelly> wonderfulmee, but I'm not willing to hand-hold you through configuring dovecot-imapd with Maildir storage. dovecot has good documentation, and you only need dovecot for what you described, not necessarily virtual users, not a MTA
429 [01:48:13] <wonderfulmee> I'd really like them IMAP -> HTML tutorials like NoPriv
430 [01:48:43] <in1t3r_> |DM|, you are missing 4 libs there
431 [01:48:48] <in1t3r_> not just ssl lib
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434 [01:49:04] <wonderfulmee> jelly: I'm 35 strongly going on 36, I shouldn't be configuring dovecot for IMAP
435 [01:49:11] <|DM|> yeah I'm just going through them 1 by 1. Right now want to sort out ssl and crypto
436 [01:49:22] <wonderfulmee> much less configuring it for something to post-process it
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438 [01:49:40] <wonderfulmee> I apologize
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441 [01:50:05] <HyP3r> I have here a debian jessie in version 8.8 and did today an upgrade. With that upgrade my kernel was updated from 3.2.0-4 to 3.16.0-4. The system is unable to boot with the newer kernel.
442 [01:50:08] <jelly> wonderfulmee, that whole deal with dovecot was an idea to avoid html and postprocessing completely
443 [01:50:08] <wonderfulmee> it's just a never-ending game
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445 [01:50:35] <jelly> wonderfulmee, and provide your users with local imap if they can only access local resources
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447 [01:50:41] <HyP3r> While booting the system I get redirected into the rescure linux because the rootfs can't be mounted.
448 [01:50:54] <jelly> |DM|, you can get lib{ssl,crypto}.so.1.0.0 from jessie's libssl1.0.0:i386 package
449 [01:50:56] <in1t3r_> |DM|, have you considered running app inside of the container?
450 [01:50:59] <HyP3r> The rootfs is a multiple disc (md) partition
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452 [01:51:08] <wonderfulmee> jelly: yeah, right. still, I would've imagined there was a simple python maildir -> HTML script. there are at least two, and none of them fit the bill
453 [01:51:10] <jelly> |DM|, read /msg dpkg jessie sources.list
454 [01:51:21] <in1t3r_> |DM|, if you dont want to do apt-pinning
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456 [01:51:25] <HyP3r> So the question is: why can't find Linux 3.16 my root partition?
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460 [01:52:03] <jelly> in1t3r_, there is no need for pinning when adding an _older_ release
461 [01:52:11] <wonderfulmee> jelly you're absolutely right, I'd love to leave the post-processing to Outlook/TB/whatever
462 [01:52:33] <|DM|> I went with symlinkig because I assumed a ..x release wouldn't be breaking
463 [01:52:42] <|DM|> after grabbing the i386 of the other libs, seems to run fine
464 [01:52:44] <jelly> that assumption is not correct
465 [01:52:52] <wonderfulmee> however, I'd like for a virtual account that would get picked up with a regular email client
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467 [01:52:55] <in1t3r_> I still do prefer to have apt pinning because I play with experimental packages too :D
468 [01:53:03] <wonderfulmee> and another ten of those
469 [01:53:12] <|DM|> So, I should grab the package and then install it with gdebi ?
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473 [01:53:25] <wonderfulmee> how do I accomodate that
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475 [01:53:33] <wonderfulmee> except with a proper maildir -> HTML
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477 [01:53:37] <damo22> where do i get isohybrid from its not in apt
478 [01:53:43] <|DM|> As for running inside a container, I've never tried that with graphical programs and have no idea how nice docker plays with the X system
479 [01:53:48] <jelly> wonderfulmee, what stops your users from accessing one imap username and password and the same copy of remote folder
480 [01:54:00] <HyP3r> The partition layout is simple: I have two 250GB Hard Discs with a MBR Partitiontable and two partitions (sda1/2 and sdb1/2) both partitions are linux raid paritions which are then assembled to /dev/md0 and /dev/md1
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482 [01:54:30] <wonderfulmee> jelly: nothing much, it's just a bother. those are not exactly imap users; rather, readers if you get my drift
483 [01:54:45] <HyP3r> Inside the rescue linux of 3.16 mdadm --assemble --scan is also not working. I don't konw why this linux is unable to assmble the arrays
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486 [01:55:22] <wonderfulmee> as in I gotta download the mail, move it into them dovecat accounts
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488 [01:55:37] <wonderfulmee> they download that. end of story.
489 [01:55:47] <jelly> wonderfulmee, I find static html renderings of mail extremely distasteful and hard to index and search. In process of getting rid of 500GB mailman archives
490 [01:55:57] <in1t3r_> |DM|, KVM come to mind too having different machines for different tasks keeping your main one clean of unneeded security risks. :)
491 [01:56:17] <|DM|> Looked at KVM, was hesitant because of hardware support.
492 [01:56:26] <wonderfulmee> jelly: I'm only at 100gb+ at this point and I'm already kinda lost. and I was using hypermail
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494 [01:56:36] <|DM|> Oh, by the way. Does ldd look next to the executable first before it goes digging in /usr/lib ?
495 [01:56:40] <pavlx> hello
496 [01:56:49] <wonderfulmee> it is my impression that pople gave up on processing email.
497 [01:56:50] <jelly> wonderfulmee, is that 100GB of html, or 10GB of mail?
498 [01:56:52] <|DM|> Could I then just grab libssl and libcrypto from the jessie package, and just put it next to the executable?
499 [01:57:03] <jelly> 100* GB of mail
500 [01:57:09] <wonderfulmee> jelly: 50gb+ raw maildir.
501 [01:57:21] <jelly> so that will be 100-150GB html
502 [01:57:23] <wonderfulmee> different accounts, though
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505 [01:57:47] <jellycode> Hi guys, I'm really stuck and frustrated right now with apt... need some help
506 [01:57:57] <jellycode> probably nobody can help me, but i gotta ask
507 [01:58:03] <jelly> !ask
508 [01:58:03] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
509 [01:58:04] <wonderfulmee> what I'm using ATM is offlineimap
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512 [01:58:39] <wonderfulmee> none of those fancy HTML hypermail replacements do offline processing
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514 [01:58:55] <wonderfulmee> so I basically import it into Thunderbird
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516 [01:59:13] <HyP3r> Has someone an idea?
517 [01:59:14] <Rajsun> Hey guys, on a brand new install of Debian 9.0 with GNOME as the primary desktop, I've noticed an odd behavior with the Lock Screen. At times, it'll prompt for password but at other's merely moving my mouse or typing a key on my keyboard will do. Anyone else experiencing this same behavior too?
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519 [01:59:54] <jelly> wonderfulmee, I'd push to ditch processing, let users access via local imap, if need be add server-side search functionality
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524 [02:00:07] <qmr> Rajsun: you mean it unlocks without password?
525 [02:00:31] <Rajsun> qmr: Yup. Not sure why the inconsistent behavior, any ideas?
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528 [02:00:35] <MarioMey> in1t3r_: does teamviewer has something wrong...?
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530 [02:01:07] <wonderfulmee> anyone wants to earn $50? work out a reliable way to process offline maildir style mail with NoPriv. I have no idea why the copy/paste won't work. gooogle Nopriv.
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534 [02:01:44] <jelly> $50 is half an hour of IT time, and you've already been given about that for free
535 [02:01:44] <wonderfulmee> an additional $10 for those folders that have changed
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537 [02:01:55] <wonderfulmee> a star or something
538 [02:02:09] <wonderfulmee> jelly: we've got Indians here
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540 [02:02:16] <qmr> Rajsun: there's a timeout. look at the settings.
541 [02:02:18] <jelly> you wish!
542 [02:02:40] <wonderfulmee> oh well
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544 [02:02:48] <wonderfulmee> someone's gonna claim the prize!
545 [02:02:54] <qmr> o_O
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548 [02:03:02] <wonderfulmee> yeah, prolly no
549 [02:03:03] <jelly> just saying, that's not fucking prize, it's a joke
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554 [02:03:23] <wonderfulmee> you can offer $60, you offer $60
555 [02:03:35] <wonderfulmee> no skin off my ass
556 [02:04:00] <jelly> nod
557 [02:04:22] <qmr> I earn more than $50 when I take my morning poo
558 [02:04:44] <wonderfulmee> and here we have them US employees
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560 [02:05:07] * jelly in SE Europe
561 [02:05:21] <MarioMey> in1t3r_: it was about teamviewer. I unchecked them in Reposities in Synaptic.
562 [02:05:22] <wonderfulmee> I'm in Moscow
563 [02:05:31] <wonderfulmee> why the fuck do you think I outsource
564 [02:05:52] <jelly> because you work for a telco, that's standard procedure :-\
565 [02:05:59] <Rajsun> qmr: If you mean the Blank screen setting, I've had it set to 15 minutes i.e. Settings > Power > Blank screen is set to 15 minutes & Settings > Privacy > Screen Lock is set to ON. However why is it that sometimes it'll prompt for a password to unlock but sometimes it doesn't? Is this a known bug?
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567 [02:06:05] <wonderfulmee> I work for government proper
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569 [02:06:14] <qmr> Rajsun: how long are you waiting?
570 [02:06:18] <jelly> ah, worse then :-)
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573 [02:06:45] <wonderfulmee> India
574 [02:06:48] <wonderfulmee> come to us
575 [02:06:58] <jelly> wonderfulmee, I wonder if Mailman 3 archiver is worth a shot
576 [02:07:16] <Rajsun> qmr: Usually when I leave my system overnight, when I try to unlock it may take just but a swipe with my mouse and it's unlocked.
577 [02:07:17] <jelly> probably more complex to set up than dovecot and FTS :->
578 [02:07:19] <wonderfulmee> jelly i wonder if I don't care anymore
579 [02:07:31] <wonderfulmee> India you so proudy
580 [02:07:37] <qmr> Rajsun: that's dodgy. might ask mailing lists
581 [02:08:10] <Rajsun> qmr: Yeah. Was pondering if I should do that. Thanks anyway.
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583 [02:09:01] <wonderfulmee> India or not, you should listen to Kendra Morris
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587 [02:09:41] <DebianCurious800> Hello
588 [02:09:50] <DebianCurious800> I have a problem with my debian installation
589 [02:09:50] <wonderfulmee> like, Kendra - Twist & Burn
590 [02:09:53] <HyP3r> nooneß
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592 [02:10:06] <DebianCurious800> Used the new 9.0 installer on my HP Microserver v8
593 [02:10:20] <jelly> |DM|, installing via apt does all the usual verification; grabbing a package from web and installing with gdebi might be more prone to security issues
594 [02:10:22] <DebianCurious800> After the installation the drive is not booted
595 [02:10:25] <DebianCurious800> I can't get why
596 [02:10:35] <DebianCurious800> If i install win7 instead it works
597 [02:10:47] <DebianCurious800> *shrug*
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600 [02:12:23] <wonderfulmee> интересно.
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602 [02:12:54] <wonderfulmee> hexchat irc клиент, ничего извне не копируется не вставляется.
603 [02:12:58] <jelly> плз врите ин Енглиш
604 [02:12:58] <wonderfulmee> это нормально?
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606 [02:13:18] <jelly> in here at least
607 [02:13:22] <wonderfulmee> т.е. копируется. не вставляется. ctrl-v
608 [02:13:27] <jelly> !ru
609 [02:13:27] <dpkg> Это английскоговорящий канал, пожалуйста, говорите по-английски или посетите #debian-russian (irc.freenode.net) (Russian speakers please go to #debian-russian)
610 [02:14:04] <HyP3r> replaced-url
611 [02:14:11] <HyP3r> Maybe this helps
612 [02:14:12] <wonderfulmee> nothing of sorts that I seem to copy elsewhere can I paste
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614 [02:14:35] <wonderfulmee> ctrl-v does zero of sorts
615 [02:14:37] <jelly> xchat and hexchat do something weird with clipboard and selection
616 [02:14:48] <jelly> I often have to select something _twice_
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619 [02:15:03] <wonderfulmee> чо они так
620 [02:15:21] <jelly> still not the russian channel, yo
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622 [02:15:24] <wonderfulmee> в mIRC тоже так?
623 [02:15:40] <Violinist> ya
624 [02:15:44] <wonderfulmee> а чей, например?
625 [02:15:57] <wonderfulmee> вы вашу идентичность ради бога копайте
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627 [02:16:16] *** wonderfulmee was kicked by jelly (English in here please, you can clearly write it...)
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629 [02:16:25] <in1t3r_> DebianCurious800, did you install in uefi or leagacy mode?
630 [02:16:30] <Violinist> :(
631 [02:16:32] <in1t3r_> check your bios
632 [02:16:34] <jelly> maybe that will make him notice
633 [02:18:00] <DebianCurious800> jelly: Hello man I'm trying to install debian on the HP Microserver we discussed some time ago, the one with 4 hdds and 1 SSD.. I launched the graphic installer and followed all the steps as i usual do, i leaved untouched the 4 hdds to be used after with zfs and just installed the debian / on the "sde" drive, the ssd. Weirdly it seems that isn't recognized at boot time and not booted, is completely skipped. What could it be?
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637 [02:18:38] <DebianCurious800> in1t3r_: in uefi i guess
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642 [02:19:27] <qmr> DebianCurious800: did you install GRUB? is the device set to be the first boot device? have you tried manually specifiying a boot device with F10 or F11 ?
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648 [02:21:48] <edju> Running Jessie and network-manager-gnome. I cannot connect to wireless. I click on my SSID and nothing happens. If I click on some neighbor's - not pwd protected - I get a connection. Any tips?
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650 [02:22:04] <DebianCurious800> qmr: I tried to do a boot override with F11 for example and even selecting the "hard drive" option is skipped and it goes directly on NIC boot from network
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655 [02:23:55] <DebianCurious800> qmr: seems that lot of people on internet says that HP Microserver Gen 8 doesn't support UEFI
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657 [02:24:51] <in1t3r_> DebianCurious800, boot from a cd chroot into installation and install proper manager for uefi either grub or reFINd
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660 [02:25:39] <DebianCurious800> in1t3r_: grub was installed on sde (the 5th drive) but is not loaded i fear
661 [02:25:55] <DebianCurious800> in1t3r_: should i try to give a passage of boot recovery cd ?
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663 [02:26:28] <DebianCurious800> replaced-url
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669 [02:29:48] <in1t3r_> is that drive setup to be the one that is bootable in uefi?
670 [02:30:33] <DebianCurious800> in1t3r_: i don't get the question
671 [02:30:45] <in1t3r_> why you didn;t installed it on the sda?
672 [02:30:57] <DebianCurious800> in1t3r_: because sda is one of the 4 tb drives i have
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674 [02:31:18] <DebianCurious800> HP Microserver gen 8 has a sata controller with port 1 to 4 dedicated to hdds
675 [02:31:22] <DebianCurious800> and the 5 port is free
676 [02:31:46] <DebianCurious800> so sda to sdd are taken by 4tb hdds and the ssd goes on sde
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678 [02:32:18] <in1t3r_> just find it in a boot menu and set as the first to boot from
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681 [02:32:34] <DebianCurious800> it seems that i can't find it
682 [02:32:38] <DebianCurious800> or.. how to say
683 [02:32:46] <in1t3r_> are the disks in a RAid array?
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687 [02:33:18] <DebianCurious800> the disks are on a fakeraid controller
688 [02:33:22] <DebianCurious800> but i setup it as ahci
689 [02:33:38] <MarioMey> I need libopenjpeg-dev... I think it is in sid (unstable) repositorie... how do I add this? Adding this to sources.list? deb replaced-url
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691 [02:34:07] <DebianCurious800> MarioMey: or you can use backports
692 [02:34:17] <MarioMey> DebianCurious800: How?
693 [02:34:48] <DebianCurious800> MarioMey: google is your friend: replaced-url
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695 [02:35:38] <|DM|> jelly, right, but I feel like having both jessie and sid in my sources is asking for trouble
696 [02:35:44] <|DM|> or did you mean grab the package and use apt to install?
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698 [02:36:10] <in1t3r_> if not you can change the port for ssd to 1 but maybe better would be booting up from a livecd whichever. doing a chroot into your root partition on the disk and checking whether you have done installation correctly.
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700 [02:36:27] <jelly> |DM|, it's a lot less trouble than adding a newer release than what you alreday have
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703 [02:36:42] <in1t3r_> Also writing a grub to the sda would be simple and wouldn;t overwrite your disk. :)
704 [02:36:49] <LtL> edju: make sure your encryption protocol is correct, eg. wpa/wpa2 personal
705 [02:36:49] <jelly> MarioMey, which debian release do you have installed?
706 [02:36:58] <jelly> ,v libopenjpeg-dev
707 [02:36:59] <judd> Package: libopenjpeg-dev on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.3+dfsg-4.8; wheezy-security: 1.3+dfsg-4.8; jessie: 1:1.5.2-3
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710 [02:37:20] <DebianCurious800> in1t3r_: i prefer boot from sde if possible is just that i have to tweak with the bios
711 [02:37:20] <|DM|> You mean its safe because jessie is older than sid ? apt will 'know' to default to the sid version of packages?
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713 [02:38:05] <jelly> |DM|, packages in sid are already the same version or newer than ones in jessie, so apt doesn't have to know anything
714 [02:38:12] <jelly> also
715 [02:38:17] <jelly> !debian-next
716 [02:38:17] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
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718 [02:38:34] <jelly> ^^ right place to ask if you're on sid
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721 [02:41:17] <in1t3r_> do you have efi partition? are you using gpt or not?
722 [02:41:34] <DebianCurious800> in1t3r_: i read is somehow a problem seen by various persons
723 [02:42:07] <DebianCurious800> in1t3r_: and maybe the windows booted only because he created the small D: system partition on one of the 4 hdds
724 [02:42:24] <wonderfulmee> I apologize and I hate my current IRC client.
725 [02:42:38] <wonderfulmee> someone called out for IMAP folder being publicaly available
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727 [02:42:52] <wonderfulmee> I can't quite color (it literally colors) your name
728 [02:43:01] <wonderfulmee> do apologiz
729 [02:43:04] <wonderfulmee> *e
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731 [02:43:27] <wonderfulmee> my current IRC l
732 [02:43:28] <in1t3r_> Create a GPT partition table; Create a small less then 10m partition for GRUB; Create a 128 to 256 partition (FAT32) for EFI then create your other partitions setup lvm or LUKS whateve you want.
733 [02:43:32] <wonderfulmee> client is
734 [02:43:34] <wonderfulmee> .ым
735 [02:43:41] <wonderfulmee> there
736 [02:43:43] <in1t3r_> DebianCurious800, ^
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738 [02:44:04] <wonderfulmee> I don't believe creating a GPT partition would save it
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741 [02:44:36] <in1t3r_> wonderfulmee, why not?
742 [02:44:36] <wonderfulmee> still better than mIRC
743 [02:44:40] <DebianCurious800> in1t3r_: i prefer not to touch the hdds
744 [02:44:48] <DebianCurious800> in1t3r_: replaced-url
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746 [02:44:54] <wonderfulmee> in1t3r_, because ep1c?
747 [02:44:56] <in1t3r_> The DebianCurious800 don't know how to chroot and do things manually
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751 [02:45:17] <DebianCurious800> In achi mode you can only boot from port 1 or 2, which are on the sas. If you're not going to get a card you'll have to use the all five ports with raid, setting your ssd on the odd port on raid 0. Since this gives you, at best, 3gbs I chose, and was gently prodded, to buy a pcie raid card and a sas to sata cable and do it that way.
752 [02:45:21] <in1t3r_> if you know then just follow the instractions on any of the sites :)
753 [02:45:23] <wonderfulmee> I don't know, really and don't care either way.
754 [02:45:36] <DebianCurious800> in1t3r_: no indeed i have no idea how to chroot but the problem is not in the grub setup
755 [02:45:41] <wonderfulmee> it's okay.
756 [02:45:46] <DebianCurious800> in1t3r_: the problem is written clearly that is on bios side
757 [02:46:06] <wonderfulmee> not mardam bey.
758 [02:46:27] <wonderfulmee> that's always a plus.
759 [02:46:42] <in1t3r_> then simply chroot and write a grub on sda with specifaying /efi partition on sde
760 [02:46:47] <in1t3r_> its not hard :)
761 [02:46:57] <wonderfulmee> go chroot out of India
762 [02:47:09] <in1t3r_> you don;t have a system installed on sda like windows or something?
763 [02:47:33] <wonderfulmee> you don't have India installed on sda0 or anything
764 [02:47:37] <in1t3r_> fu wonderfulmee
765 [02:48:08] <in1t3r_> you want another kick? wonderfulmee
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768 [02:48:20] <wonderfulmee> yes, in indeed of much kick
769 [02:48:33] <wonderfulmee> fucking hell.
770 [02:48:38] <DebianCurious800> in1t3r_: no man because my machine has 4tb drives x 4 on the first 4 ports.. and the last one is the ssd
771 [02:48:58] <wonderfulmee> those indian people sure are thorough.
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776 [02:49:52] <wonderfulmee> the DebianCurious800 guy sounds like a high level Indian
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778 [02:50:07] <DebianCurious800> in1t3r_: thanks for the help i will manage it better tomorrow
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781 [02:50:31] <wonderfulmee> SSD Indians are the worst.
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783 [02:51:11] <wonderfulmee> imagine them with a white woman.
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786 [02:54:29] <in1t3r_> nope ssd indians who don;t know to setup dovecot are worst :P
787 [02:55:31] <in1t3r_> Some guys will never learn about the sector sizes for installation of boot manager and partition table :)
788 [02:56:19] <edju> LtL, How do I do that?
789 [02:56:54] <LtL> edju: settings/network
790 [02:57:17] <in1t3r_> The best thing for them is dd bs=512 if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sde count=1 :)
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792 [02:58:54] <wonderfulmee> I don't feel like setting up dovecot
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794 [02:59:54] <wonderfulmee> I've been setting up postgresql replication back in them 90's
795 [03:00:11] <wonderfulmee> there wasn't anything nice about it
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797 [03:00:56] <wonderfulmee> can I just like set up a docker?
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799 [03:01:14] <wonderfulmee> can I modify a docker?
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803 [03:01:50] <wonderfulmee> as in instead of PAM_usernames go to txt_plaintext_passwords instead?
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806 [03:02:20] <wonderfulmee> I'd mainly like a superusername
807 [03:02:29] <wonderfulmee> that has power over all the maildirs
808 [03:02:55] <wonderfulmee> that would all be housed under /var/replaced-url
809 [03:03:02] <wonderfulmee> can I do that? thank you
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812 [03:03:48] <wonderfulmee> IMAP shit is hard.
813 [03:04:56] <wonderfulmee> stealing other people's mail is easy.
814 [03:05:10] <wonderfulmee> making it all proper is hard.
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817 [03:06:18] <wonderfulmee> those included are Latvian fascists.
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819 [03:06:52] <wonderfulmee> the lists are distributed like candy.
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832 [03:12:32] <madsara> I'm having an issues searching the bug tracker.. is it me or is it overly complicatedd?
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848 [03:31:29] <qu1nn-1> been an owncloud user on opensuse for years. i typically set it and forget it (as long as it works, so I dont really tinker). I need to update OS (and I want to get on track with Nextcloud) and am thinking of going to doing debian... anyone here use nextcloud? any major issues?
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850 [03:32:50] <erle> qu1nn-1: have recently moved to nextcloud myself after dragging my feet for to long :) very happy, nothing to complain about
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856 [03:36:28] <qu1nn-1> erle- thanks. Been using stalling myself- ownclouds been good but i want to stick with the founders ideals...
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861 [03:40:41] <qqumber> hi
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863 [03:41:06] <keantoken> Hi everyone.
864 [03:41:20] <keantoken> ALSA has 2 "default " audio devices.
865 [03:41:25] <keantoken> How do I fix this?
866 [03:41:29] <qqumber> social "cognition" is primitive and all just about emotions
867 [03:41:59] <keantoken> It's sort of a template really. It helps keep us from degenerating too far.
868 [03:42:15] <keantoken> But alsa?
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871 [03:44:07] <keantoken> And my soundcards list is practically spam. I need to disable the HDMI outputs I don't use. How do I do that?
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877 [03:47:11] <keantoken> I suspect that lots of people have these problems and just try to ignore it because of just how difficult it is to figure out how to configure alsa.
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881 [03:51:42] <erle> keantoken: thats a bit odd, tried configuring with Pavucontrol? replaced-url
882 [03:52:54] <keantoken> I don't have pulseaudio installed.
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886 [03:53:58] <erle> ah, what does `cat /proc/asound/cards` tell you ?
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888 [03:55:04] <keantoken> $ cat /proc/asound/cards
889 [03:55:04] <keantoken> 0 [NVidia ]: HDA-Intel - HDA NVidia
890 [03:55:04] <keantoken> HDA NVidia at 0xf7080000 irq 308
891 [03:55:04] <keantoken> 1 [Generic ]: HDA-Intel - HD-Audio Generic
892 [03:55:04] <keantoken> HD-Audio Generic at 0xf7700000 irq 310
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895 [03:55:43] <keantoken> oops.
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897 [03:56:39] <keantoken> So BOTH cards are HDA Intel, so I can't just disable a module, it would be the snd_hda_intel module and that would disable both cards.
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899 [03:57:12] <keantoken> Which begs the question why ALSA does not have a sane way of disabling a card.
900 [03:57:38] <keantoken> Or maybe it does, just no one uses it because no one can figure out how.
901 [03:58:26] <erle> keantoken: been awhile for me, but i think it would involve a config for .asoundrc in your case replaced-url
902 [03:59:12] <keantoken> My .asoundrc is the plain "always works" version, just two entries.
903 [03:59:33] <keantoken> Something else is generating all the extra stuff, which I have no control over.
904 [03:59:49] <erle> keantoken: try using the parm: id, model options for the module
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906 [04:00:59] <keantoken> The second "default" device doesn't play because it refers to something that doesn't exist.
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908 [04:01:34] <keantoken> What makes this infuriating is there is no alsa-base package I can purge and reinstall to at least get back to square one.
909 [04:02:25] <keantoken> I plugged in a USB DAC and after I unplugged it, it's entries were still in the soundcard list and everything gave me nonexistent card errors.
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916 [04:06:48] <keantoken> What do you mean about options for the module?
917 [04:06:52] <keantoken> Is there a manpage about that?
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922 [04:07:45] <erle> keantoken: see the alsa-project link, you can pass module parameters and target the board
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924 [04:08:35] <erle> keantoken: something like #6 here replaced-url
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926 [04:10:41] <keantoken> Thanks
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972 [04:36:29] <xfile> anyone no with terminal got autocompletion most advanced ?
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977 [04:38:01] <Cerastes> anyone manage to get Pidgin working on ARM?
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982 [04:39:52] <xfile> Cerastes :) well what the isuss ?
983 [04:41:27] <qqumber> xfile: I'm going to cut out masks to wear at my 42th birthay from your skin with surgical precision and surgical tools under very safe narcosis, you will be safe and I'll apply synthetic steralized skin, so you'll recover well.
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985 [04:42:47] <bazhang> !ops | qqumber
986 [04:42:47] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: bazhang complains about: | qqumber
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991 [04:47:32] <xfile> qqumber sad story heard somewhere before it :D
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993 [04:48:13] <xfile> qqumber why for u masks ? :D
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1033 [05:22:20] <Schwarzbaer> Hi. I just installed the package fonts-humor-sans. After that, I ran a little matplotlib script that uses that font, but it couldn't find it. Do I have to do something to, I don't know, refresh the database of available fonts?
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1040 [05:27:58] <Schwarzbaer> Hmm, according to fc-list it *is* available...
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1127 [06:29:55] <z8z> after upgrade to debian 9 i lost all saved kate session... where did they move the config files?
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1141 [06:44:51] <wonderfulmee> do any of you happen to know how to turn a maildir (in a unix sense: "cur/new/old") into HTML?
1142 [06:45:10] <wonderfulmee> a local maildir.
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1145 [06:46:32] <wonderfulmee> replaced-url
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1147 [06:47:38] <wonderfulmee> you've been most helpful.
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1152 [06:56:02] <ofg|brtr> I am looking for a system to process my SERVER logs and show detailed analysis of the logs. errors fails warns and such. a system to get iput from apache logs ssh logs crontab logs ....
1153 [06:56:12] <ofg|brtr> I looked at goaccess but it had very rudimentary functions.
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1155 [06:56:38] <ofg|brtr> I looked at goaccess but it had very rudimentary functions.
1156 [06:58:42] <wonderfulmee> ofg|brtr, looks like you need a log analyzer. I wonder if such a thing exists.
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1160 [07:04:44] <cartman> hi guys
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1165 [07:08:59] <Canucktux_> wuddup cartman
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1167 [07:09:40] <cartman> I have some problems, can you help me?
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1169 [07:13:33] <cartman> look replaced-url
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1180 [07:22:06] <OS-29731> !DJ
1181 [07:22:06] <dpkg> one of the most prominant free software developers around, brian behlendorf, is a DJ. He is one of the core developers of apache. And now as a sidelight to DJ'ing and doing apache work, does sourceXchange.com. Djibouti
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1184 [07:22:27] <OS-29731> !dj
1185 [07:22:27] <dpkg> one of the most prominant free software developers around, brian behlendorf, is a DJ. He is one of the core developers of apache. And now as a sidelight to DJ'ing and doing apache work, does sourceXchange.com. Djibouti
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1192 [07:29:47] <cartman_> hi
1193 [07:30:10] <cartman_> I have a problem with my repository
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1195 [07:30:44] <cartman_> Could someone guide me?
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1198 [07:34:08] <lendo> !ask
1199 [07:34:08] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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1201 [07:35:18] <cartman_> thank you man, I have a problem with "apt-get update" here is the error replaced-url
1202 [07:36:22] <lendo> cartman_: can you paste /etc/apt/sources.list.d
1203 [07:37:11] <cartman_> replaced-url
1204 [07:37:14] <cartman_> sorry
1205 [07:37:18] <cartman_> webupd8team-java.list
1206 [07:37:21] <cartman_> is only 1 file
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1208 [07:39:31] <lendo> you mixed ubuntu rep with debiam
1209 [07:39:34] <lendo> you mixed ubuntu rep with debian
1210 [07:40:10] <cartman_> So ... I just delete those files?
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1213 [07:41:04] <wonderfulmee> abolutely go ahead with deleting those pesky files.
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1225 [07:46:07] <cartman_> Perfect, no longer comes that error but I continue with this message replaced-url
1226 [07:46:51] <xormor> good morning. can you explain me what "Wayland" is? It is supposed to replace X, it is a windowing system, correct?
1227 [07:46:51] <lendo> paste /etc/apt/source.list
1228 [07:47:06] <peterrooney> dpkg: frankendebian
1229 [07:47:06] <dpkg> When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. See if you can convince ##linux to help.
1230 [07:47:43] <lendo> this msg is for you cartman_
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1234 [07:49:48] <cartman_> replaced-url
1235 [07:50:39] <lendo> erase everything ubuntu
1236 [07:50:44] <peterrooney> cartman_: /msg dpkg frankendebian
1237 [07:51:00] <peterrooney> cartman_: you are going to have great trouble convincing ##linux to help unless you can tell them what you are *REALLY* trying to accomplish.
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1240 [07:51:36] <xormor> am installing "mate-desktop-environment" with apt right now.
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1242 [07:52:10] <peterrooney> cartman_: you're also going to have great trouble convincing anyone _here_ to help unless you can somehow convince us that you have nuked, paved, and re-installed from scratch.
1243 [07:52:39] <lendo> cartman_: next time you install debian, dont mix with ppa of ubuntu... stick to debian..
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1285 [08:33:10] <Barre_> echo 'Europe/Stockholm' > /etc/timezone && dpkg-reconfigure -f noninteractive tzdata < this reconfigures tzdata to Europe/Stockholm timezone in jessie, but not in stretch. what changed?
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1295 [08:46:02] <nkuttler> !tell Barre_ about timezone
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1311 [09:05:26] <Barre_> nkuttler: thanks, doesn't update the /etc/timezone info though, tried using debconf-set-selections and dpkg-reconfigure -f noninteractive, doesn't work either
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1313 [09:07:17] <foul_owl> Where can I download a debian live cd that comes with firmware? I can't download the firmware on the target system as the wifi card itself needs it. Thanks!
1314 [09:09:23] <Barre_> foul_owl: replaced-url
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1318 [09:11:38] <foul_owl> Thanks!
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1347 [09:32:57] <mr__tea> lets see how this goes
1348 [09:33:03] <mr__tea> im upgrading debian 8 to 9
1349 [09:33:05] <mr__tea> :)
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1357 [09:35:51] <anjum> I kind of regret upgrading because window contents now flicker when I scroll, mostly have myself to blame.
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1361 [09:37:36] <ayansh> Hi #Debian,
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1363 [09:37:46] <anjum> Greetings ayansh.
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1365 [09:39:37] <mr__tea> what is the recommended procedure to upgrade to debian 9?
1366 [09:39:39] <ayansh> i am facing issue with the deletion of partition table on sdcard, i tried fdisk, parted, gparted, dd, diskutils-on-mac, formatting of sdcard with canon camera etc, however partition table is intact.
1367 [09:39:50] <ayansh> replaced-url
1368 [09:41:01] <ayansh> i used this sdcard for raspberry pi for alomost a year, want to have some other distro on pi, however not able to get anything written to the sdcard.
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1371 [09:41:54] <nkuttler> !tell mr__tea about release notes
1372 [09:42:18] <ayansh> query is not directly related to debian, however i am trying dd/fdisk/parted etc on my debian desktop. probably some clue?
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1374 [09:42:48] <anjum> Are you following the specific procedures for installing a distro for RPi? Because things like booting info needs to be on the SD card as well I believe.
1375 [09:43:49] <ayansh> anjum: Yes, i am following relevant procedure - same which i used with other 4 pi's which i have.
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1378 [09:45:19] <brian|lfs> so far so good got server 2016 installed on KVM qemu using lib-virt manager
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1380 [09:46:26] <anjum> Goodness, I only one Pi (the original, from about 2012). Though I haven't flashed the SD card in ages so it seems you ultimately have better knowledge of doing this than I do.
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1384 [09:49:50] <brian|lfs> I haven't done much with my PI once I realized the lack of processor
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1386 [09:50:34] <brian|lfs> well I knew what it had for specs when I purchased it but when I tried to set it up I realzied I wouldn't be doing any mdeia box lol
1387 [09:50:45] <anjum> Neither have I. I think all the 'make a small robot'
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1389 [09:50:55] <anjum> stuff is quite dull.
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1392 [09:51:42] <brian|lfs> I suppose making it control a 3D printer would work fine or control a webcam mounted on one of my 3D printers
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1394 [09:53:46] <anjum> I'm so behind on the times... 3D printers, I'm yet to get into them.
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1396 [09:54:51] <pingfloyd> those are basically toys
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1398 [09:55:23] <anjum> The Raspberry Pi, or 3D printers? Or both?
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1400 [09:56:09] <pingfloyd> pis and robot kits etc
1401 [09:56:16] <pingfloyd> 3D printers for the most part too
1402 [09:56:27] <pingfloyd> I supposed an industrial one would be a different story
1403 [09:56:37] <pie3> 3D printers can be integrated to 96boards?
1404 [09:56:40] <anjum> Yeah, I don't doubt it.
1405 [09:56:42] <pingfloyd> but most of the 3D printers can't work with material worth much
1406 [09:56:52] <pie3> i guess pi shall be soon replaced by 96boards
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1408 [09:57:50] <pingfloyd> aside from assembly lines, what's the point in building a robot other than for the fun of it
1409 [09:58:37] <pingfloyd> it's not like you can build robot to actually be a *useful* assistant
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1411 [09:59:01] <anjum> True. I suppose it's just an exercise in knowledge and hand work.
1412 [09:59:32] <pingfloyd> sometimes you build things for the fun of building them
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1422 [10:03:00] <mr__tea> nkuttler: thanks
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1435 [10:07:20] <nvz> nm, I'm an idiot.. heh.. I accidentally moved the shebang down to the 2nd line somehow.. caused all kinds of issues :-P
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1438 [10:09:02] <nvz> just remember, if she don't bang on the first line, then no shebang
1439 [10:10:16] <mr__tea> nvz: heh
1440 [10:10:30] <pie3> can someone explain me what is nmcli radio wif
1441 [10:10:31] <pie3> i
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1443 [10:10:57] <pingfloyd> nmcli is network manager (CLI)
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1446 [10:12:40] <nvz> mr__tea: yeah I'm done.. I just came here to ask a dumb question about why my python script was suddenly trying to start X and acces /var/mail/bs4 .. but at least someone thought the pun was funny.. I'm out.
1447 [10:12:46] <pie3> what is meanign of nmcli radio
1448 [10:12:54] <pie3> i foudn 4 results when queried it
1449 [10:12:56] <pie3> pingfloyd:
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1451 [10:13:07] <pingfloyd> where did you see that name?
1452 [10:13:07] <mr__tea> ?
1453 [10:13:16] <pie3> which name? pingfloyd
1454 [10:13:23] <pingfloyd> "nmcli radio"
1455 [10:13:43] <pie3> a friend said to use me this command "nmcli radio wifi" to connect to wifi
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1457 [10:13:55] <pie3> my task is : use a terminal to coonnect/disconnect wifi
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1459 [10:14:02] <pie3> instead of gui
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1461 [10:14:05] <pingfloyd> I see it now
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1465 [10:14:14] <pie3> i want to terminalize everything and avoid gui
1466 [10:14:18] <pingfloyd> that's the actual command, so radio and wifi are arguments to nmcli
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1470 [10:14:57] <pie3> i cant find wifi as argument listed in man page of nmcli
1471 [10:15:02] <pie3> i can find radio
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1473 [10:15:20] <pie3> what is object in linux/terminal?
1474 [10:15:26] <pie3> radio is listed under objects
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1476 [10:15:33] <pie3> in man page info of nmcli
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1478 [10:15:57] <pie3> pingfloyd:
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1480 [10:16:11] <jmcnaught> pie3: there is a section called "RADIO TRANSMISSION CONTROL COMMANDS" in nmcli(1)
1481 [10:16:19] <pie3> let me see
1482 [10:16:22] <pingfloyd> pie3: for me man nmcli shows it
1483 [10:16:42] <pie3> oh my error
1484 [10:16:48] <pie3> actually i was not reading man
1485 [10:16:52] <pingfloyd> e.g. radio wifi on, radio wwan on, etc
1486 [10:16:56] <pie3> but i was reading just the result of nmcli
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1488 [10:17:16] <pie3> it gave me some options and some objects
1489 [10:17:18] <pingfloyd> "Use this object to show radio switches status, or enable and disable the switches."
1490 [10:17:19] <pie3> where radio was listed
1491 [10:17:53] <jmcnaught> pie3: are you trying to enable/disable the wifi radio, or are you trying to connect to an access point?
1492 [10:18:23] <pie3> i dont know what is acess point jmcnaught
1493 [10:18:23] <rephlexie> isnt radio just an on / off state?
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1495 [10:18:25] <pie3> can you explain me
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1497 [10:18:44] <jmcnaught> pie3: a wifi network
1498 [10:18:44] <pie3> i guess in my simpler terminology/non tech language i want to turn on/off wifi from command line
1499 [10:18:50] <pingfloyd> rephlexie: on/off for each "radio switch"
1500 [10:18:56] <pingfloyd> rephlexie: or all
1501 [10:18:56] <pie3> so AP is same as wifi?
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1506 [10:19:18] <jmcnaught> no an AP is the part of the wifi network that your client device connects to
1507 [10:19:33] <pingfloyd> pie3: AP is the in to the network
1508 [10:19:43] <pie3> ok to make it more clear let me first connect to AP and try it from gui
1509 [10:19:47] <pie3> can yuo help me how to do it
1510 [10:19:49] <rephlexie> pingfloyd, yeah was guessing something like that, never seen it used tbh
1511 [10:19:50] <pie3> so i can learn it better
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1515 [10:20:12] <pie3> ok
1516 [10:20:13] <jmcnaught> pie3: do what?
1517 [10:20:20] <pie3> i guess it is time to share my set up
1518 [10:20:25] <pie3> i use internet on laptop like this way
1519 [10:20:36] <pie3> internet---phone---hotspot---------------wifi--laptop
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1521 [10:20:40] <pie3> did you get set up?
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1523 [10:20:53] <pingfloyd> why phone in there?
1524 [10:20:56] <pie3> i turn on hotspot in phone
1525 [10:21:00] <pie3> and wifi in laptop
1526 [10:21:07] <pingfloyd> ok, so phone is the hotspot?
1527 [10:21:10] <pie3> i dont have wired internet connection pingfloyd
1528 [10:21:23] <pie3> i have itnernet from phone
1529 [10:21:26] <pingfloyd> then phone is basically your "AP"
1530 [10:21:40] <pingfloyd> for your laptop and other devices to connect to your network with
1531 [10:21:57] <Tonkadoro> could a person use a combine to harvest hemp seed?
1532 [10:22:00] <pie3> so AP==hotspot>
1533 [10:22:01] <pie3> ?
1534 [10:22:05] <pie3> in this context
1535 [10:22:06] <pingfloyd> pretty much
1536 [10:22:14] <pie3> a device which provides internet to all
1537 [10:22:19] <pingfloyd> I think hotspot is more a buzzword version or something
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1539 [10:22:35] <pie3> so in case if i had wired internet connection(i guess that wire first come to my home into router)
1540 [10:22:39] <pie3> so in that case router is AP?
1541 [10:22:58] <pingfloyd> I guess you could say hotspot is more vague description
1542 [10:23:04] <familiargalaxy> An AP is differentiated from a hotspot, which is the physical location where Wi-Fi access to a WLAN is available. ~ Wikipedia
1543 [10:23:12] <pie3> that is what android writes pingfloyd
1544 [10:23:17] <pingfloyd> a hotspot could be an AP, wireless router, phone, etc
1545 [10:23:31] <pingfloyd> another computer or device
1546 [10:23:39] <pie3> wiki is always tough for me to understand familiargalaxy
1547 [10:23:44] <pie3> i need wiki mentors alwayz
1548 [10:24:16] <pie3> so let me put it simple
1549 [10:24:22] <familiargalaxy> pie3 no probs we will help you get thro this :)
1550 [10:24:27] <pie3> so do i have 2 ways?
1551 [10:24:30] <pie3> 1) wifi connection
1552 [10:24:33] <pie3> 2) AP connection?
1553 [10:24:37] <pie3> with my current set up
1554 [10:24:41] <pie3> i guess no since both are same
1555 [10:25:07] <pingfloyd> your phone is the AP in this case
1556 [10:25:16] <familiargalaxy> internet---phone---hotspot---------------wifi--laptop , i understood this setup but what's the problem now ?
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1558 [10:25:29] <pie3> soemone said me that
1559 [10:25:33] <jmcnaught> pie3: "/msg dpkg period" it might not be relevant what an AP is exactly, I asked my question because you said you were trying to connect to wifi, then said more stuff about the nmcli radio command
1560 [10:25:45] <pie3> i should use command "nmcli radio wifi" to connect to phone hotspot
1561 [10:26:02] <pie3> i am debugging/interpreting that command
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1563 [10:26:37] <pingfloyd> is there a reason you picked nmcli to connect?
1564 [10:26:48] <pie3> pingfloyd: someone informed me
1565 [10:26:51] <pingfloyd> you have many option for wifi in linux
1566 [10:26:54] <pie3> any other command exist?
1567 [10:26:55] <pingfloyd> options*
1568 [10:26:58] <pie3> let me try all of them
1569 [10:27:04] <pingfloyd> you could use the gui network manager instead
1570 [10:27:05] <pie3> since i am learnign linux parallely
1571 [10:27:11] <pie3> i dont want to use gui
1572 [10:27:11] <pingfloyd> it would probably be easier for you
1573 [10:27:13] <jmcnaught> pie3: there is also nmtui
1574 [10:27:18] <pie3> i want to be terminalize
1575 [10:27:29] <pingfloyd> or use wpa_supplicant directly
1576 [10:27:32] <pie3> i love complex stuff pingfloyd
1577 [10:27:46] <pingfloyd> if you're want complicated why involved nm at all?
1578 [10:27:54] <pie3> nm?
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1580 [10:28:02] <pingfloyd> network manager
1581 [10:28:08] <rephlexie> pie3, ignore the radio state, try nmcli con show, see if your phone is listed
1582 [10:28:14] <pie3> how to use nmtui & wpa_supllicant
1583 [10:28:21] <pie3> ok let me see
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1586 [10:29:07] <pie3> yes rephlexie that is a great list
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1588 [10:29:15] <pie3> i can see neigbourhood wifi too
1589 [10:29:19] <pie3> just like gui option
1590 [10:29:24] <pie3> how to disconnect to wifi
1591 [10:29:28] <pie3> from cli
1592 [10:29:31] <pie3> and connect to it
1593 [10:29:38] <pie3> rephlexie:
1594 [10:29:39] <pingfloyd> pie3: replaced-url
1595 [10:30:06] <pingfloyd> there's a good tutorial on nmcli
1596 [10:30:11] <pie3> why i never heard redhat fedora when i was searching for linux to be installed on laptop
1597 [10:30:13] <pie3> i heard the names
1598 [10:30:17] <pie3> of ubuntu
1599 [10:30:18] <pie3> debian
1600 [10:30:19] <pie3> arch
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1603 [10:30:45] <pie3> mint
1604 [10:30:49] <pie3> then i choose mint
1605 [10:30:51] <jmcnaught> dpkg: tell pie3 about period
1606 [10:31:00] <pingfloyd> lol
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1608 [10:31:25] <rephlexie> pie3, pingfloyd linked what you need, setup a connection profile and your set.
1609 [10:33:32] <anjum> man nmcli
1610 [10:33:36] <pie3> how to set up 2 wifi connection from laptop?
1611 [10:33:52] <pie3> one for testing i.e. connect/disconnect and another for internet connection uninterrupted
1612 [10:34:04] <pie3> in my context
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1617 [10:40:17] <pie3> pingfloyd: rephlexie jmcnaught
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1619 [10:41:31] <pie3> what is diff between wifi-hw and wifi wwan-hw and wwan
1620 [10:41:33] <pie3> what does it mean
1621 [10:41:39] <pie3> i found them in result
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1626 [10:43:29] <familiargalaxy> replaced-url
1627 [10:43:39] <familiargalaxy> 2nd one is using nmcli
1628 [10:44:41] <jmcnaught> pie3: there are also some methods described on replaced-url
1629 [10:45:25] <pie3> i highlighted only those who are not sleeping yet
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1641 [10:51:45] <pie3> is there anything like virtual terminal?
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1648 [10:55:17] <vlt> Hello. Does anyone know if there's a gnupg command to import all the keys missing in --check-sigs?
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1657 [11:02:20] <familiargalaxy> vlt: what are you trying to do ?
1658 [11:02:36] <anjum> vlt: I'm not familiar with using gnupg, but would it be possible to pipe the output of that command, parse it, and pipe into a command for importing? Or have I incorrectly assumed what precisely you're doing?
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1662 [11:04:16] <vlt> anjum: Yes.
1663 [11:04:31] <vlt> vlt: It's right there in the /topic of #gnupg
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1681 [11:15:40] <JZA> hi I am having an issue routing my site .
1682 [11:15:49] <JZA> At the moment I have a A Record pointing to the IP of my server
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1685 [11:17:28] <JZA> when restarting apache I am getting: Restarting web server: apache2apache2: Could not reliably determine the server's fully qualified domain name, using 127.0.1.1 for ServerName
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1689 [11:18:50] <JZA> not sure what I am missing... ServerName has blahblah.com
1690 [11:19:12] <JZA> ServerAlias replaced-url
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1701 [11:27:59] <anjum> The 'Could not reliably determine the server's fully qualified domain name, using 127.0.1.1 for ServerName' is warning, not an error. Everything should be fine.
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1713 [11:33:11] <pie3> is it possible to disconnect hardware or software individually from terminal?
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1715 [11:36:42] <GNU\colossus> pie3, what do you want to do?
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1717 [11:37:04] <pie3> nmcli radio
1718 [11:37:04] <pie3> WIFI-HW WIFI WWAN-HW WWAN
1719 [11:37:04] <pie3> enabled enabled enabled enabled
1720 [11:37:15] <pie3> i want to disable and see what happens one by one GNU\colossus
1721 [11:37:39] <pie3> i guess wifi & wwan is wif-soft and wwan-soft respectively, correct? GNU\colossus
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1723 [11:38:10] <GNU\colossus> well, networkmanager might be able to do that for you. if not, you'll have to figure out which underlying device (and driver) is represented by each, and then disable that.
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1726 [11:38:34] <GNU\colossus> (if all else fails, you can just disable the device on its bus/unload its driver)
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1736 [11:43:36] <pie3> nmcli device
1737 [11:43:37] <pie3> DEVICE TYPE STATE CONNECTION
1738 [11:43:37] <pie3> wlp2s0 wifi connected Auto iPhone
1739 [11:43:37] <pie3> enp3s0f1 ethernet unavailable --
1740 [11:43:37] <pie3> bond0 bond unmanaged --
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1743 [11:43:53] <pie3> what is bond0 lo and dummy0
1744 [11:43:55] <pie3> GNU\colossus:
1745 [11:44:27] <pie3> is it possible to change device name from wlp2so to xxxx(user defined)?
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1747 [11:44:56] <GNU\colossus> dumm0, I don't know. lo is the loopback interface, for host-local communication over sockets. bond0 is a (probably unused) combined device of at least two network devices.
1748 [11:45:18] <GNU\colossus> dummy0*
1749 [11:45:29] <GNU\colossus> pie3, yes, you can assign custom network device names via udev rules
1750 [11:45:55] <GNU\colossus> check /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules
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1753 [11:46:06] <GNU\colossus> (hope that's still true for stretch)
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1767 [12:00:40] <pie3> GNU\colossus: Could not find "/etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules".
1768 [12:00:46] <pie3> a prompt message
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1771 [12:04:46] <GNU\colossus> pie3, maybe you have to create it
1772 [12:05:03] <GNU\colossus> with "predictable network interface names", it's not a required file to have any more, I guess
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1781 [12:11:05] <JZA> hi anyone can help me debug apache I have some ssl sites and I am getting an error from apache saying: [debug] ssl_engine_init.c(1149): Init: SSL server IP/port overlap: yoursite.com:443
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1784 [12:13:58] <apollo13> JZA: that on it's own is a debug message, what is the actual error shown?
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1787 [12:15:24] <JZA> well the error shown when I tried to reload is that it cant read the domain
1788 [12:15:26] <JZA> apache2apache2: Could not reliably determine the server's fully qualified domain name, using 127.0.1.1 for ServerName
1789 [12:15:46] <JZA> but I didnt know which file was it complaining from
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1791 [12:16:23] <JZA> apollo13: I change the LogLevel to determine which file was the one causing the issue, aparently it was the mysite-ssl.conf on line 2
1792 [12:16:49] <JZA> which is the <VirtualHost *:443>
1793 [12:16:51] <apollo13> "Could not reliably determine the server's fully qualified domain name, using 127.0.1.1 for ServerName" -- that is also not an error but a warning
1794 [12:17:03] <JZA> umm... ok
1795 [12:17:11] <JZA> well yes is not crashing but is also not working
1796 [12:17:37] <pie3> i can open google.com from browser
1797 [12:17:42] <JZA> I am having virtual domains, and the newdomain.com instead of going to ~/newsite/ it goes to ~/oldsite/
1798 [12:17:43] <pie3> when i enter search term xxx
1799 [12:17:58] <pie3> it displays results properly, but when i click the result link it is not openign in the tab
1800 [12:17:59] <pie3> why?
1801 [12:18:02] <JZA> which I guess the default from 127.0.1.1
1802 [12:18:13] <pie3> display this error "Server not found"
1803 [12:18:17] <apollo13> JZA: why do you even have 127.0.1.1 there?
1804 [12:18:47] <JZA> you are asking me why the warning shows 127.0.1.1? I dunno.
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1806 [12:19:03] <JZA> is just the warning I get
1807 [12:19:12] <apollo13> I'd expect 127.0.0.1, 127.0.1.1 is somewhat weird
1808 [12:19:19] <JZA> yeah weird
1809 [12:19:33] <pie3> i can see linkedin.com and google.com only opens
1810 [12:19:41] <pie3> bing.com udemy.com are not opening why
1811 [12:19:50] <pie3> and many other websites are not openign
1812 [12:19:51] <JZA> oh well actually I know now, /etc/hosts shows 127.0.1.1 domain domain
1813 [12:20:17] <apollo13> ok that would explain that at least
1814 [12:20:29] <apollo13> now make sure you have properly set ServerName in every vhost
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1816 [12:22:08] <JZA> define properly I did a head -5 *|grep ServerName and got a list of all them, and I dont see nothing out of the ordinary
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1818 [12:23:05] <JZA> maybe ssl is not working properly
1819 [12:23:28] <apollo13> well what exactly is not working…
1820 [12:24:32] <JZA> well that warning I get on server reload combined with the new site not routing to the correct Document Root
1821 [12:25:04] <apollo13> show the output of apachectl -S
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1824 [12:27:56] <JZA> replaced-url
1825 [12:28:04] <JZA> I dont see the new domain/site
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1827 [12:29:23] <JZA> maybe I missed something
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1829 [12:30:14] <apollo13> did you activate it
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1832 [12:30:58] <JZA> oh right I did but I disactivate it later... one sec
1833 [12:31:44] <JZA> ok now I see
1834 [12:31:59] <JZA> port 80 namevhost newsite.com (/etc/apache2/sites-enabled/newsite:1)
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1836 [12:32:10] <JZA> but still not working
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1838 [12:32:43] <JZA> replaced-url
1839 [12:33:31] <apollo13> well which is your new host?
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1841 [12:34:18] <JZA> newsite
1842 [12:34:25] <apollo13> JZA: btw with regards to your warnings, port 80 namevhost 127.0.1.1 (/etc/apache2/sites-enabled/000-default:1) is missing ServerName
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1844 [12:34:38] <JZA> oh
1845 [12:36:09] <JZA> I added one on 000-default but still getting the same warning
1846 [12:36:16] <JZA> I reload the service
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1849 [12:37:01] <JZA> did the a2ensite as well.
1850 [12:37:48] <JZA> this is frustrating
1851 [12:37:58] <apollo13> a2ensite is only needed once since it is a symlink
1852 [12:38:14] <apollo13> also do a restart instead of a reload if something is not working
1853 [12:38:16] <JZA> ok
1854 [12:39:00] <JZA> I did but same situation
1855 [12:39:33] <apollo13> still "Could not reliably determine the server's fully qualified domain name, using 127.0.1.1 for ServerName" ?
1856 [12:39:47] <pie3> can you see my message
1857 [12:39:55] <JZA> yes
1858 [12:40:38] <apollo13> well in the worst case put ServerName localhost into the global config
1859 [12:40:42] <apollo13> that should take care of that
1860 [12:40:54] <apollo13> apachectl -S now should certainly no more show 127.0.1.1 as servername
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1863 [12:43:06] <JZA> yeah it quiet on that end
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1865 [12:43:57] <apollo13> ok, so if you type curl -I yourdomain -- what do you get?
1866 [12:43:59] <Snoonet> help! the EPA is trying to have me assassinated
1867 [12:44:03] <JZA> maybe I miss something on the DNS end, I only have an A record to the VPS IP
1868 [12:44:17] <apollo13> that is enough
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1870 [12:44:34] <JZA> is working now
1871 [12:45:17] <JZA> great thanks
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1874 [12:46:18] <Snoonet> OMG
1875 [12:46:24] <Snoonet> The EPA is trying to kill me
1876 [12:46:29] <Snoonet> they send men in black suits
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1878 [12:47:08] <Snoonet> i see SUV with tinted windows park outside my house. I shine a laser pointer at it, and then out of nowhere this big dog starts chasing me
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1880 [12:47:24] <Snoonet> i think they dropped the dog out of a stealth helicopter to distract me
1881 [12:48:14] <apollo13> Snoonet: that is pretty much off-topic for that channel
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1883 [12:49:01] <Snoonet> apollo13: are you a fed agent?
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1889 [12:52:33] <Snoonet> mniip works for the Trump Force, a secret division of the CIA tasked with destroying Linux, because Microsoft paid them to do it.
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1915 [13:07:27] <othias> hey guys, has anybody else been experiencing random firefox crashes since last couple of apt-get updates?
1916 [13:07:37] <othias> on stable
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1921 [13:11:04] <sbine> othias: yep, i just rm my ~/.mozilla dir to fix it
1922 [13:11:40] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
1923 [13:11:46] <othias> sbine: I just realized stretch is now the stable, im still on jessie, are you too? guess I will upgrade soon anyway
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1926 [13:13:11] <sbine> othias: i'm running jessie/sid atm
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1928 [13:13:29] <sbine> on differents machines i mean
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1930 [13:13:48] <othias> sbine: ok, I'll try rming the mozilla dir then thanks :)
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1936 [13:19:42] <Aebian> hmmm I want to do something special I guess. Have a Debian and Windows machine online at the same time and share drives for Downloads, Documents etc. (basiclly home drive). So I just switch between them with lets say a kvm hdmi switch. What would you recommend?
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1944 [13:27:22] <guest____> can i get the sources.list for debian jessie?
1945 [13:27:30] <guest____> er, wait stretch
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1949 [13:28:42] <guest____> dpkg : tell me about sources.list
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1951 [13:30:54] <guest____> dpkg: thanks
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1987 [13:49:34] <pie3> AP is hardware?
1988 [13:49:41] <pie3> <pingfloyd> a hotspot could be an AP, wireless router, phone, etc
1989 [13:49:50] <pie3> can you link me AP hardware?
1990 [13:49:53] <moriarty> replaced-url
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1999 [13:56:47] <kaimo> hey all been working through my l9inux book and reached a command "info" however returns "bash: info: command not found" does debian not have info command as standard or am i mixxed up
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2001 [13:57:39] <nkuttler> kaimo: apparently not
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2003 [13:57:55] <nkuttler> kaimo: you probably want to install bash-doc as well
2004 [13:58:12] <kaimo> bash doc in short is?
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2006 [13:58:23] <nkuttler> kaimo: ?
2007 [13:58:30] <kaimo> is is bash doc?
2008 [13:58:35] <moriarty> hehe
2009 [13:58:42] <moriarty> nkuttler doesn't get enough bitcoins for this
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2014 [14:01:23] <peterrooney> kaimo: debian doesn't come with everything installed by default. Try installing the command-not-found, info, and apt-file packages. "apt-get install bash-doc command-not-found info apt-file ; apt-file update"
2015 [14:02:21] <kaimo> i understand its wasnt so much a problem more just checking its wasnt incorrect taht its not installed lol alls well
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2057 [14:29:47] <kang0> Suggest me some programing/comp related books I should buy
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2059 [14:30:16] <moriarty> kang0, why?
2060 [14:30:17] <Lowl3v3l> kang0: two that you dont even need to buy : "How to design Programs" and "The Little Schemer".
2061 [14:31:16] <Lowl3v3l> moriarty: in general, he's kind of a troll ( at least if i am allowed to mix my experiences from other channels in) ;) he doesn't care about channel topics...
2062 [14:31:51] <kang0> I have many ebooks
2063 [14:31:55] <kang0> Tons of
2064 [14:32:10] <kang0> I want to buy 2 to 5 printed copy books
2065 [14:32:12] <moriarty> Lowl3v3l ah :)
2066 [14:32:21] <kang0> Need suggestion Lowl3v3l
2067 [14:32:24] <moriarty> kang0, why do you want to buy books when you can buy bitcoins?
2068 [14:32:31] <moriarty> Lowl3v3l imma troll him back :)
2069 [14:32:53] <kang0> moriarty since I don't need coins
2070 [14:32:56] <Lowl3v3l> moriarty: so, i usually just answer him in a way that might help others. Those two books i named are actually brilliant :P
2071 [14:33:08] <moriarty> Lowl3v3l, cool :) first time i've heard of them
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2073 [14:34:07] <Lowl3v3l> moriarty: you should definitely take a look into HtdP . Its ... different to say the least^^ And its free ;) replaced-url
2074 [14:34:11] <nkuttler> q
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2081 [14:36:34] <moriarty> Lowl3v3l, interesting i wonder what made the author start with Racket
2082 [14:36:40] <moriarty> nice book, thanks for the heads up
2083 [14:37:13] <Lowl3v3l> moriarty: well this i can explain since i am somewqhat deeply involved with racket myself ;)
2084 [14:37:26] <moriarty> Lowl3v3l, i see :)
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2086 [14:38:26] <Lowl3v3l> moriarty: firstly, i'd consider racket one of the absolutely best beginner languages out there( even beeting my former favorite recommendation, haskell). And secondly, the authors are some of the biggest driving forces behind racket themselves, so its not a big surprise ;)
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2088 [14:39:04] <moriarty> Lowl3v3l, i see :) well it is very Lisp-like
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2090 [14:39:33] <Lowl3v3l> moriarty: it is a lisp, yeah. Not quite like common lisp in all the important ways, it is descended from scheme :)
2091 [14:40:01] <moriarty> i see
2092 [14:40:09] <moriarty> well, good to learn something new
2093 [14:40:26] <Lowl3v3l> i'll stop evangelising now, i promise :D
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2096 [14:41:32] <moriarty> Lowl3v3l, it's my turn to evangelise, have you bought bitcoins? :)
2097 [14:42:34] <Lowl3v3l> moriarty: nope, to poor for it. And i do not really like such rather risky purchases. I'm more in the noble metal-camp ;)
2098 [14:42:47] <moriarty> Lowl3v3l, heh ok
2099 [14:43:24] <Lowl3v3l> moriarty: i am just to much of a gambler for bitcoin :D
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2101 [14:43:46] <mr__tea> good this debian upgrade went ok
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2103 [14:43:59] <mr__tea> I had to fiddle a bit but not much ,so great!
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2105 [14:46:07] <OS-29731> !cory
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2107 [14:46:28] <OS-29731> !cory
2108 [14:46:35] <OS-29731> !barry
2109 [14:46:35] <dpkg> somebody said barry was a KDE frontend to the BSD ports system, replaced-url
2110 [14:46:53] <OS-29731> !cory
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2124 [14:50:37] <mernilio> Hi all!
2125 [14:52:01] <mernilio> you know.. when i say hi, i want a friendly hi back!
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2129 [14:52:59] <mernilio> clock is 14:52 here in central Europe, maybe the best of us is sleeping?
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2131 [14:53:36] <mernilio> Im just trying to be friendly.. :-)
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2150 [15:01:58] <thragor> Hello ! When i'm working on my computer, the screen switch to black and i don't understand the reason why. Someone can help me please ?
2151 [15:01:58] <thragor> Bonjour ! Lorsque je j'utilise l'ordinateur, l'écran passe au noir et je ne comprends pas pourquoi. Est-ce que quelqu'un peut m'aider ?
2152 [15:02:23] <thragor> Debian 8 + XFCE 4.1
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2159 [15:05:54] <kang0> Lowl3v3l I have space for 5 books
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2168 [15:11:58] <nkuttler> !fr
2169 [15:11:58] <dpkg> Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debianfr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debianfr.
2170 [15:12:02] <nkuttler> thragor: ^^
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2174 [15:15:19] <worried> hello :)
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2178 [15:17:28] <worried> does anybody know when the security problem gets fixed for jessie ? replaced-url
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2180 [15:18:06] <Lowl3v3l> worried: if you do not have a really good reason, you shouldn't be on jessie anymore but upgrade to stretch
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2182 [15:19:43] <worried> i am using jessi on a live server and i was too scared for a "live update" so far. but the new security problems makes me even more scared.
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2200 [15:35:09] <pierrot> Hi. During the shutdown process, I see "FAILED: unmounting /var". This bug report seems to be my issue: replaced-url
2201 [15:35:10] <judd> Bug replaced-url
2202 [15:35:20] <hanshenrik> apt install --no-install-recommends lxde-core lxde-common
2203 [15:35:24] <hanshenrik> installs lightdm!
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2205 [15:35:28] <hanshenrik> that doesn't make much sense
2206 [15:36:08] <hanshenrik> first off, a dm should be recommended, not required (like it is in deb8/deb7), second, if it does install a default dm, it should be lxdm, not lightdm, for lxde
2207 [15:36:17] <hanshenrik> - this is exclusive to deb9
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2209 [15:38:28] <hanshenrik> (third, in my tests, lxdm use about 30 megabytes less ram than lightdm, so if lightdm's goals are to be light on resources, they probably have something to learn from the lxdm devs)
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2239 [15:53:18] <thragor> nkuttler: ok thanks
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2255 [16:03:40] <lowin> What was the name of the program that's used to create .deb archives? I swear I forget it every time i need it
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2264 [16:13:20] <nvz> lowin: ar, debhelper, dpkg, make-kpkg?
2265 [16:13:24] <stack> hello, on a ssd (pcie) , is it advisable to switch to a deadline or noop disk scheduler? on my personal desktop I see that backups often hangs the system, what about servers and vms?
2266 [16:13:47] <nvz> lowin: dhmake, chkinstall, etc..
2267 [16:13:55] <stack> are there prebuilt tests if I don't have a specific application to test?
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2272 [16:15:29] <lowin> nvz, I was looking for equives. thanks though
2273 [16:15:35] <nvz> stack: I've learned the hard way there are a lot of fake drives out there but yet there are things out there that test random read/writes
2274 [16:16:03] <nvz> lowin: ah, well eqivs just makes an empty package, but its one of a dozen apps that make debs, you should be more specific next time
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2276 [16:17:40] <lowin> nvz, yeah sorry.
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2303 [16:42:28] <pierrot> I created the file shutdown-log.txt to debug this "Failed: unmounting /var" issue. This is the result: replaced-url
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2307 [16:47:02] <Guest84052> .йгше
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2320 [16:52:00] <OS-29731> !leftturn
2321 [16:52:40] <OS-29731> !leftturn
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2324 [16:53:20] <tx> You turn left, you see a door. Something compels you to walk through the door and you switch out of #debian.
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2326 [16:54:20] <OS-29731> hi
2327 [16:54:27] <OS-29731> !leftturn
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2329 [16:54:31] <OS-29731> !barry
2330 [16:54:32] <dpkg> barry is probably a KDE frontend to the BSD ports system, replaced-url
2331 [16:55:30] <stack> nvz: I'll search something
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2368 [17:13:44] <duelle> Hi, I have a Debian LXC container which is started on boot of the host system. What is the best way to define applications/scripts that should be started at boot time inside the LXC container?
2369 [17:14:51] <jelly> stack, if you have hw raid or external storage on a VM, noop may be better, but deadline is sane to use anywhere
2370 [17:15:04] <szymek> Hello there #debian, could you please give me a hint where exactly in current Debian Testing is system time saved to hardware RTC?
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2375 [17:16:23] <jelly> stack, in theory noop will make your storage draw its own conclusions and try to optimize order of io itself
2376 [17:16:24] <afidegnum> hello, can anyone please help? i have courier-imap installed but on Outlook, it claimed it has logged in but can't send the mail on Thunderbird, "can't find the settings" i have mail account at /var/vmail/info@mydomain.com
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2379 [17:16:42] <jelly> dpkg, tell szymek about debian-next
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2382 [17:18:14] <szymek> jelly: ow, sorry. I think it might be the same program or something in kernel in stable, too? Some time ago it seemed that hwclock did this, but now I can't find it anywhere.
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2387 [17:21:08] <afidegnum> any insight? i have exim4 and courier-imap installed
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2394 [17:24:18] <fourhundredtheca> I have entry in /etc/shadow for "usbmux"
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2396 [17:24:28] <fourhundredtheca> but there is no such user in /etc/passwd
2397 [17:24:38] <fourhundredtheca> any idea what that means ?
2398 [17:24:56] <afidegnum> any insight ?
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2428 [17:34:16] <duelle> Hi, I have an application that should be started when my machine is booted. What is the best/preferred way to do so?
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2430 [17:34:30] <duelle> Debian Stretch, Headless
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2452 [17:48:28] <afidegnum> how strong is kerberos authentication? in what instances it can be used in replacement of regular password based authetication?
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2471 [17:54:43] <JyZyXEL> what was the name of the tool for cleaning up useless .deb packages that are installed?
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2477 [17:58:08] <toruvinn> JyZyXEL, erm, apt-get autoclean?
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2479 [17:58:47] <JyZyXEL> no that is something else, i mean purging useless packages that are in the system
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2486 [18:00:41] <toruvinn> JyZyXEL, well, autoclean removes auto-instlled packages that you no longer use. other than that, i have no idea, sorry :-/
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2491 [18:01:37] <JyZyXEL> there is a program for it that had all kinds of switches to include different kinds of groups of packages
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2499 [18:06:08] <JyZyXEL> it was deborphan
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2503 [18:08:33] <tharkun> Aloha, Do I need a crossover cable to connect two laptops?
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2508 [18:10:09] <szymek> tharkun: I assume you want to use Ethernet, if so, and if the laptops aren't old, the network cards should handle it automatically and work with regular cable. This is not Debian related though
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2510 [18:11:17] <tharkun> szymek: Thanks one is newer than the other lets see if it works
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2517 [18:16:04] <tharkun> Is ifconfig finally deprecated on debian 9 or I simply forgot to install it?
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2522 [18:17:43] <jhutchins> tharkun: still there. /sbin/
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2525 [18:18:50] <tharkun> jhutchins: Thanks :)
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2541 [18:23:15] <tharkun> Hmmm I used to select on an terminal with the mouse and pressing the middle button would just paste it on another terminal. That seems to fail on debian 9 any idea why or how to revert back to the old behaviour?
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2545 [18:24:48] <tharkun> Terminal is urxvt
2546 [18:26:44] <tharkun> It seems to be exarcerbated when one terminal is runned under a different user.
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2555 [18:30:31] <nillerz> What happened to #debian-next?
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2558 [18:32:55] <afidegnum> i have a dedi box where i want to configure different domains with their email accounts, using dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config how do i configure the mail sending option? internet site? mail sent by smarthost ? or mail sent by smarthost; no local mail ?
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2569 [18:35:47] <Rajsun> nillerz: It's on oftc
2570 [18:35:54] <tharkun> afidegnum: you might be looking for virtual hosts. I am no expert to exim4 but set it to internet and read into the documentation. An mta is a powerfull beast thant has a lot of levers and knobs to configure.
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2575 [18:36:15] <nillerz> @Rajsun thanks
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2578 [18:38:59] <madsara> Does anyone have any thoughts on how to fix constant esata timeouts?
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2580 [18:39:17] <madsara> I filed a bug but have no luck in fixing this recent problem
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2582 [18:39:38] <tharkun> An aditional question I downloaded 9.0 using jigdo If I need to install 9.1 will jigdo upgrade my current iso file?
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2613 [18:49:47] <BluesKaj> tharkun, replaced-url
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2615 [18:50:13] <dury> hi there channel :-)
2616 [18:50:32] <eksdee_> Hola
2617 [18:50:43] <tharkun> hola
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2619 [18:50:59] <bean9916_> hola
2620 [18:51:16] <dury> can someone help to configure xscreensaver properly, please
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2622 [18:51:39] <dury> go english please
2623 [18:52:01] <dury> bean9916, can you?
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2626 [18:52:34] <dury> tharkun, eksdee, can you assist?
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2629 [18:53:20] <dury> I'm doing my best... bloody hell
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2631 [18:53:24] <bean9916_> What do you need, specifically?
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2633 [18:53:37] <kang0> (kang0) (kang0) Is there anything equivalent to 96boards for laptop or computer?
2634 [18:53:48] <user> anyone uses lighttpd on deb9?
2635 [18:54:23] <dury> bean9916, just configure xscreensaver autostart
2636 [18:54:48] <user> i am stuck with html form action. scripts under cgi-bin not executing. tried .sh .py. pl
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2638 [18:56:07] <bean9916_> You'll probably want to put xscreensaver -no-splash in the startup applications list
2639 [18:56:09] <BluesKaj> dury, replaced-url
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2641 [18:56:34] <dury> bean9916, do u need any infp how it's here xscreensaver I added to startup applicastion in tweak app
2642 [18:56:47] <bean9916_> You should be able to find that in your main menu
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2644 [18:57:46] <tharkun> dury: #debian-es if you feel line staying in spanish :)
2645 [18:58:36] <dury> tharkun, I'm comfortable here, thanks
2646 [18:59:14] <dury> tharkun, I prefer in english though
2647 [18:59:32] <dury> tharkun, I think is good enough too
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2649 [19:00:03] <tharkun> :)
2650 [19:01:30] <and_dev> hi. i need opinion on something. is it beneficial to encrypt a file by a combination of key and gps coordinates?
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2652 [19:01:40] <dury> tharkun, don't u think so, do you?
2653 [19:01:53] <hanshenrik_> haha never heard of such a concept. generally, no.
2654 [19:02:00] <hanshenrik_> and_dev, ^
2655 [19:02:24] <and_dev> why not?
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2657 [19:02:59] <bean9916_> You could use the coordinates as the key, not sure why you'd want to though
2658 [19:03:08] <hanshenrik_> and_dev, if you're working for Cicada 3301's recruiting department, there might be something to it
2659 [19:03:13] <stack> and_dev: why though?
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2662 [19:03:48] <and_dev> so a file is openable only in a specific location
2663 [19:04:05] <kang0> Any reply to my query?
2664 [19:04:06] <stack> to what extend you pinpoint that location?
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2666 [19:04:26] <stack> anyway that would be easily fakeable
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2668 [19:04:40] <user> anyone here tried lighttpd?
2669 [19:04:46] <stack> you fall back in the region of knowing a password
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2672 [19:05:56] <and_dev> stack: it would be hard to fake if i use a very time consuming hashing algorythm
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2674 [19:07:03] <stack> and_dev: knowing a location is equivalent of knowing a password
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2677 [19:07:48] <bean9916_> Yeah, could easily spoof that by feeding the program whatever coordinates you want
2678 [19:07:57] <stack> with the fact that you must deal with rounging that location and trust your detection method
2679 [19:08:52] <dury> bbl
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2683 [19:10:29] <friiq> hey i'm on debian stretch and can't find usbmount
2684 [19:10:43] <friiq> did the package name change
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2694 [19:18:18] <friiq> /
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2698 [19:22:44] <tharkun> Once more me complaining about 9.0 firefox version on 9.0 seems to be a totall memory hog. it can consume 2G of ram in a matter of minutes. How can I report such a bug?
2699 [19:22:48] <friiq> Night-Shade: how did you get an arpa address
2700 [19:23:08] <tharkun> And there is this Web Content process that is tied to it.
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2702 [19:23:43] <friiq> tharkun: that's really unfortunate. i don't even have 2GB ram. you would bug report to debian on that one.
2703 [19:24:06] <friiq> i've started using chromium because of my low resources.
2704 [19:24:25] <friiq> there is this too: replaced-url
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2708 [19:24:42] <friiq> but i don't know if the issues could be replicated on other distros/OS's/hardware.
2709 [19:25:01] <friiq> i know that i was able to use firefox on this machine with high swap usage
2710 [19:25:06] <Night-Shade> friiq it's just the default reverse DNS from my ISP
2711 [19:25:17] <friiq> Night-Shade: that's cool stuff :P
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2715 [19:27:06] <tharkun> friiq: I am unsure if it is an upstream bug or a debian specific bug. I need someone to confirm the isue
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2733 [19:34:20] <friiq> tharkun: i can verify that i had the same issue on arch
2734 [19:34:26] <friiq> i was blaming my hardware
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2747 [19:36:52] <friiq> btw, debian 9.0 on dwm is sick
2748 [19:36:53] <friiq> :D
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2755 [19:38:09] <crash_> friiq: dwm nice :)
2756 [19:38:18] <friiq> i love it so much
2757 [19:38:22] <friiq> i always do ><>
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2763 [19:39:06] <friiq> tharkun: testing iceweasel now
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2767 [19:41:34] <edju> Running Jessie and network-manager-gnome. Lost my wireless. I click on my SSID and nothing happens. "iwconfig wlan0" shows "Access Point: Not-Associated" I can, however, connect to some neighbor's line, which is not pwd-protected. Any tips, pointers appreciated.
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2772 [19:43:03] <friiq> edju: was it working before? did you make any changes
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2774 [19:43:16] <tharkun> edju: nmcli dev wifi connect $NAME password $PASSWORD ifname $NIC name $name runned as root will eventually make a connection that you can nmcli con up $NAME
2775 [19:43:21] <friiq> do you have wpasupplicant installed
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2777 [19:43:40] <crash_> friiq: i have never tried dwm, but i'm running i3wm on 9.0 :)
2778 [19:43:54] <friiq> you would also like dwm i'd think
2779 [19:44:40] <crash_> friiq: i should maybe try dwm out, but i'm so aquainted with the easy i3 config file.
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2785 [19:45:43] <friiq> crash_: yes you do have to compile dwm after you change the confi
2786 [19:46:05] <LtL> edju: do you run gnome?
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2789 [19:46:24] <edju> friiq, Yes, it was working before and yes I have wpasupplcant installed. I've run a bunch of commands but still no wireless.
2790 [19:46:41] <edju> LtL, No, kde.
2791 [19:46:43] <crash_> friiq: yeah well it's C and not awesomewm(lua) and that is good :)
2792 [19:47:09] <friiq> edju: what might work is if you bring wlan0 down with ip link set "wlan0" down
2793 [19:47:19] <friiq> all depending on what the nic name is
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2795 [19:47:36] <friiq> crash_: c is so simple and light :P
2796 [19:47:57] <LtL> edju: can't help you. it should have a settings icon near the SSID to set security, or find 'network' somwhere in a menu
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2803 [19:49:32] <crash_> friiq: :)
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2809 [19:50:39] <friiq> iceweasel is super light, even compared to chromium
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2813 [19:51:33] <friiq> there is the vi plugin too
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2815 [19:52:13] <edju> Oh, well - back to google, which is getting me nowhere so far.
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2817 [19:52:30] <friiq> edju: why
2818 [19:52:55] <tharkun> friiq: will look into it asap
2819 [19:53:14] <crash_> edju: have you tried nmtui? ncurses-menu for network-manager
2820 [19:54:04] <edju> crash_, No, never heard of it. I'll try.
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2830 [19:56:51] <edju> crash_, apt-cache policy nmtui returns "Unable to locate package nmtui"
2831 [19:57:16] <crash_> edju: you should already have nmtui installed
2832 [19:57:18] <edju> acp nmgui
2833 [19:57:30] <metax> how many gay we got over there?
2834 [19:57:41] <LtL> edju: what are you looking at when you see your net and your neighbors net?
2835 [19:58:29] <JyZyXEL> when i try to purge libav-tools i get: dpkg: warning: ignoring request to remove libav-tools which isn't installed
2836 [19:58:43] <edju> crash_, Ah, yes. I have it. I'll have a go at it.
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2846 [20:01:02] <missmbob> metax: please dont speak like that here
2847 [20:01:09] <LtL> edju: replaced-url
2848 [20:01:14] <boubou> heyyy guys
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2850 [20:01:19] <__raven__> hi
2851 [20:01:19] <tharkun> FTR 9.0 freezes every so often who authorized the release? on 7 previous releases never did a Debian version froze so dramatically on the first day.
2852 [20:01:20] <boubou> anyone can give me a tip ?
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2854 [20:01:29] <boubou> how can I paste that into a file ? # If you have the `glibc-doc-reference' and `info' packages installed, try:
2855 [20:01:46] <boubou> it works with sed
2856 [20:01:51] <__raven__> how to create a full disk mirror of an (u)efi system? i actually only get "broken" partition table and wrong sizes
2857 [20:01:54] <boubou> any others ideas ?
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2859 [20:02:18] <edju> LtL, The network icon in the system tray which lists available SSIDs.
2860 [20:02:34] <metax> missmbob, oh, i was just asking to find friends
2861 [20:02:50] <nix64bit> what about going outside on a full moon and drink blood?
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2863 [20:03:17] <LtL> edju: there should be some type of icon next to the SSID that allows you to set security and password
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2865 [20:03:35] <missmbob> metax: finding friends is more appropriate in #debian-offtopic
2866 [20:03:42] <LtL> edju: try a right cllick on the ssid
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2869 [20:05:11] <edju> LtL, I just set the pwd using nmuti
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2871 [20:05:39] <LtL> edju: what about the encryption potocol
2872 [20:05:42] <edju> LtL, I'll try the link you provided. Thanks.
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2875 [20:07:07] <szymek> __raven__: I used clonezilla for creating my disk images, worked on UEFI machines too.
2876 [20:07:30] <LtL> tharkun: 9.0 is very stable and yes firefox chews up a ton of RAM, at the gnome desktop with FF running and a few shells, sshd i use about 1.2 GB of RAM, with jessie it was only about 800MB
2877 [20:08:26] <LtL> I have 16GB so i cant even come close to using half of it, and its rock solid, so was jessie
2878 [20:08:56] <__raven__> szymek: not sure if its really a uefi problem but i just copied sda to sdb using dd (on live system) and it seems to be a mess
2879 [20:09:42] <friiq> __raven__: some directories do not copy well and lose permissions
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2881 [20:09:51] <friiq> clonezilla remedies this
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2886 [20:11:54] <__raven__> friiq: no its a bitwise copy. i simply would like to do a snapshot of the whole drive to change it if the main goes bad
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2892 [20:13:31] <szymek> __raven__: maybe it has something to do with having two partitions with identical UUID on the same system, both dd and clonezilla images preserve the uuid
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2896 [20:15:10] <__raven__> szymek: i am watching sdb (dd destination) on another linux right now using a usb-sata-device and this shows me a completely broken partition table. (adapter is capable of using big disks...)
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2913 [20:24:19] <JyZyXEL> how do you list all dpkg triggers that are installed in the system?
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2917 [20:26:30] <OS-29731> 10.11.1.39
2918 [20:26:32] <OS-29731> ?
2919 [20:26:49] <OS-29731> any hint ?
2920 [20:26:52] <OS-29731> plese
2921 [20:26:55] <OS-29731> please
2922 [20:27:07] <OS-29731> for login the page
2923 [20:27:35] <bionix> what ?
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2925 [20:27:57] <tharkun> LtL: I haven't seen such an unstable debian version since Etch. Believe me it is not rock solid.
2926 [20:28:07] <tharkun> And that was a painful release.
2927 [20:28:13] <Robby> OS-27035: todays hint is: 192.168.97.66
2928 [20:28:43] <LtL> tharkun: possibly your video drivers, that's the usual culprit
2929 [20:28:45] <Robby> one hint per 24 hours, come back tomorrow for another hint
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2932 [20:29:12] <Robby> oh, I meant to type that to OS-29731
2933 [20:29:14] <OS-29731> i cannot crack the username and password for the 10.11.1.39/otrs/index.pl
2934 [20:29:21] <Robby> why is there multiple OS's in here
2935 [20:29:30] <Robby> my trolling failed :(
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2937 [20:30:07] <Robby> cracking things? I don't think thats supported here :)
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2958 [20:39:33] <tharkun> LtL: noveau nvidia has been working fine for the last 4 releases IIRC
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2961 [20:40:38] <tharkun> and I ditched gnome in favour of notion ( long time user) and anything that is not esential just gets sacked.
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2964 [20:41:39] <familiargalaxy> tharkun: is notion similar to i3 ?
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2970 [20:45:08] <flux242> isn't notion dead?
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2972 [20:45:42] <TheRoo> it is
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2975 [20:47:16] <flux242> though i3 will be dead too soon if they fail to switch to wayland
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2978 [20:48:16] <crash_> i think sway is the new "i3" with focus on wayland?
2979 [20:49:35] <TheRoo> yes
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2981 [20:50:43] <TheRoo> flux242: i don't really think the transition to wayland would be that quick for people running WMs, there are a lot of little X utilities to play around with Window properties wayland doesn't have, and Xorg can run as non-root under logind (sorta) so I don't see i3 dying that early.
2982 [20:50:51] <crash_> i will run i3 until wayland and sway is more mature
2983 [20:52:10] <TheRoo> i3 has a pretty large userbase though
2984 [20:52:14] <TheRoo> it's huge
2985 [20:52:39] <crash_> yeah there are many users on i3 :)
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2988 [20:53:22] <crash_> and other wm's
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2992 [20:54:33] <TheRoo> all because of unixporn.
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2994 [20:54:56] <flux242> as all main distros will start to switch to wayland there won't be much time left for xorgs I suppose
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2998 [20:56:00] <flux242> is fedora latest shipped with wayland by default?
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3001 [20:56:53] <crash_> i think so
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3004 [20:57:50] <crash_> TheRoo: unixporn is fun, everyone is running arch and some wm's not so much debian that is sad :(
3005 [20:57:52] <TheRoo> flux242: yes.
3006 [20:58:23] <TheRoo> DEs still work best for me.
3007 [20:59:11] <flux242> with unixport you mean people tweaking their conky scripts decades long?
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3011 [20:59:32] <flux242> unixporn ^
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3013 [21:00:21] <crash_> i have never used conky never had a use for it
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3015 [21:01:23] <flux242> TheRoo: what DE are you using?
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3018 [21:01:57] <TheRoo> KDE Plasma
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3020 [21:02:34] <flux242> that's too bloated for me
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3022 [21:03:07] <TheRoo> yeah, I run Gentoo, so i disable all the stuff I dont need during build time.
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3024 [21:03:21] <TheRoo> I disabled baloo completely, for example.
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3031 [21:06:03] <BluesKaj> flux242, kde, bloated for you, flexible for me
3032 [21:06:08] <TheRoo> There is nothing that is as feature rich as Plasma though, XFCE just comes close.
3033 [21:06:38] <tharkun> familiargalaxy: yes but the tiles are static giving you more control over it.
3034 [21:07:09] <crash_> if i would run a DE mate would be my choice
3035 [21:07:15] <TheRoo> and fwiw, there's a kwin script to turn into a tiling WM.
3036 [21:07:23] <TheRoo> You can even replace kwin altogether.
3037 [21:07:34] <TheRoo> turn it*
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3040 [21:09:05] <tharkun> TheRoo: Expain KDE Plasma can become a tile DE ?
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3042 [21:09:35] <PipeItToDevNull> How do I go about finding an ISO for a specific non-free firmware I need?
3043 [21:09:44] <TheRoo> tharkun: huh?
3044 [21:09:48] <flux242> as I read xfce news my heart starts bleeding. They are talking about reimplmenting their compositor using GL which whey should do 10 years ago. Now when everyone starts switching to wayland what's the point to improve damn compositor?
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3047 [21:10:16] <flux242> should have done ^
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3049 [21:10:56] <TheRoo> their DE, their biz. :P
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3052 [21:13:02] <PipeItToDevNull> My specific situation is installing on an system without ethernet. It uses a Killer NIC requiring ath10k/qca1674. My install stops, asking for that firmware. How do I get the firmware and put it onto a device for use by the installer?
3053 [21:13:12] <crash_> PipeItToDevNull: I don't think there is such iso, but the is a unofficial non-free is with alot of firmwares on it.
3054 [21:13:26] <PipeItToDevNull> I am using that ISO, it is not present
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3057 [21:13:46] <BluesKaj> wayland is a long way off for nvidia gpu users
3058 [21:14:04] <crash_> PipeItToDevNull: maybe your nic is present in a newer kernel? i have never encountered a killer nic
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3060 [21:14:40] <PipeItToDevNull> crash_, I am installing Debian-9
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3064 [21:16:51] <BluesKaj> best to find a way to connect via ethernet until the OS completely installed then look for the linux driver at that point , PipeItToDevNull
3065 [21:17:07] <BluesKaj> wifi driver
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3071 [21:20:08] <jmcnaught> PipeItToDevNull: replaced-url
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3075 [21:20:58] <PipeItToDevNull> jmcnaught, awesome, anyclue where I would find the debian dump of firmware
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3077 [21:21:29] <crash_> replaced-url
3078 [21:21:59] <PipeItToDevNull> Woo, I just kept looping back to the ISOs
3079 [21:22:05] <jmcnaught> PipeItToDevNull: it actually says in the manual, they didn't leave that information out
3080 [21:22:26] <PipeItToDevNull> Oh, it does. My apologies
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3085 [21:23:35] <jmcnaught> PipeItToDevNull: that unofficial firmware ISO includes most non-free firmwares, but some still need to be installed after the first reboot. If that's the case, you can complete the install without a network mirror, then install the firmwares from a USB stick after.
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3093 [21:32:24] <racar> WiFi speed issue with debian stretch + broadcom BCM4360 802.11ac 14e4:43a0 + wl loaded driver. When i reload the kernel module (modprobe), the wifi speed is at the max. If i want 2 min it drop to really slow. Any ideas ?
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3096 [21:33:09] <racar> *wait
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3129 [21:50:05] <racar1> At the moment, the only solution is to modprobe -r and back again the wifi module. The speed is good after (back)
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3134 [21:51:33] <jmcnaught> racar1: watch for log entries when it happens
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3136 [21:53:09] <racar1> jmcnaught, The only things i see in user.log is dhcp6 "request timed out" , "state change unknown -> timeout", "canceled dhcp transaction", "state change timeout -> done" ... after that the wifi is slow. Will try again and see if it comes back
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3142 [21:54:32] <racar1> yes got it again
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3144 [21:54:39] <guardian> hello
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3147 [21:55:36] <guardian> I tried to ask on oftc but it's quiet atm. When doing dpkg -l |grep exim. I can see exim4-daemon-heavy is marked as installed but exim4-daemon-light is marked as "rc". I suspect (and don't want to break things) than purging exim4-daemon-light will remove files needed by exim4-daemon-heavy. So what's my reasonable next step?
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3154 [21:59:44] <nkuttler> guardian: why do you want to purge it?
3155 [22:00:12] <nkuttler> guardian: and afaik the exim config is stored in a file that's not in a package and rebuilt from that? just use your backups if not..
3156 [22:00:56] <guardian> I don't know
3157 [22:01:06] <guardian> had the impression it's cleaner
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3168 [22:06:22] <PipeItToDevNull> I was able to get it functioning and installed. Thank you for the assistance.
3169 [22:06:31] <guardian> also because it seems dpkg is not in clean state :( For example it gives "rc" status to dovecot-common but then aptitude purge dovecot-common says it's not installed
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3180 [22:15:15] <nkuttler> guardian: you can't purge packages you don't have installed
3181 [22:15:52] <apollo13> if they have a residual config?
3182 [22:15:56] <jmcnaught> you should be able to purge packages that have been removed but are 'rc'
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3185 [22:16:12] <nkuttler> jmcnaught: but how would dpkg know what to remove?
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3189 [22:16:56] <jmcnaught> nkuttler: the conffiles which dpkg tracks separately, and will still be present after a remove
3190 [22:17:31] <jmcnaught> it's why remove and purge are available as two distinct steps, so you can remove the software but keep its configuration
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3192 [22:17:32] <nkuttler> jmcnaught: so if i dist-upgrade for a decade, how many useless files would i have on my disk?
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3194 [22:18:15] <jmcnaught> nkuttler: i don't know, it depends on how many you install in the first place and how much maintenance you do
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3201 [22:21:54] <apollo13> nkuttler: open synaptic and check (I sadly do not know how to get that information on the console ;))
3202 [22:22:03] <apollo13> [or rather I am too lazy to figure that out :)]
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3216 [22:26:50] <jonah> hi can anyone help me out. I've been told I need to downgrade openssl to 1.0.1f - currently I'm on 1.0.1t... I just wondered if anyone knew how to downgrade it?
3217 [22:27:06] <jonah> apparently my cert doesn't work with the newer version
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3220 [22:27:26] <jmcnaught> that doesn't sound right, what is the error message you get?
3221 [22:27:51] <jonah> jmcnaught: i thought it sounded a bit dodge too. but that is what purevpn support said
3222 [22:28:08] <jmcnaught> jonah: probably BS then
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3224 [22:28:35] <jmcnaught> that error though?
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3226 [22:29:04] <jonah> jmcnaught: yeah probably BS haha. here is the error: Sat Jul 8 20:17:59 2017 RESOLVE: Cannot resolve host address: dk1-ovpn-tcp.pointtoserver.com: No address associated with hostname
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3233 [22:31:43] <jmcnaught> jonah: that has nothing to do with the version of openssl
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3235 [22:32:10] <jmcnaught> that is a DNS resolution failure
3236 [22:32:13] <apollo13> jonah: did you specify that as remote in the openvpn config?
3237 [22:32:14] <jonah> jmcnaught: you were right about there suppor then, full of S
3238 [22:32:28] <apollo13> cause as jmcnaught says, it doesn't return a response
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3245 [22:33:50] <apollo13> jonah: try vleu-dk1-ovpn-tcp.pointtoserver.com instead
3246 [22:34:14] <jonah> apollo13: well in my .ovpn file I have vleu-dk1-ovpn-tcp.pointtoserver.com
3247 [22:34:22] <apollo13> okay, that is weird then
3248 [22:34:32] <jonah> apollo13: so it is like it is missing the front bit off...
3249 [22:34:45] <apollo13> I wonder if something in the certs causes this
3250 [22:34:50] <apollo13> can you increase the openvpn loglevels?
3251 [22:34:57] <apollo13> and show what it says up to there?
3252 [22:35:13] <jonah> apollo13: everything has worked fine until a few weeks ago, then suddenly this started happening
3253 [22:35:40] <jonah> apollo13: thanks - how would i increase the log levels a little?
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3255 [22:36:08] <apollo13> jonah: verb 4 in the config file
3256 [22:36:17] <apollo13> check that no sensitive information is leaked though before posting
3257 [22:37:27] <jonah> apollo13: i don't seem to have a .conf file in /etc/openvpn...
3258 [22:37:47] <jmcnaught> jonah: how do you start openvpn?
3259 [22:38:15] <jonah> jmcnaught: haha good question, it was a script I used a while back, can't remember where I added it now...
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3272 [22:43:54] <will__> hello all
3273 [22:44:29] <will__> just hoped on GCP and chose debian gnu/linux or something like that. I'm coming from mint, and was met with just a CLI
3274 [22:44:40] <will__> is there a gui available that i can install?
3275 [22:45:10] <apollo13> GCP?
3276 [22:45:17] <guest1256> Google Cloud?
3277 [22:45:18] <will__> google cloud platform
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3279 [22:45:25] <apollo13> then you do not want a gui
3280 [22:45:31] <will__> :(
3281 [22:45:33] <guest1256> yes, but you would also need a vnc
3282 [22:45:37] <will__> i cant live without one lol
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3284 [22:45:58] <apollo13> then you got a bit to learn :)
3285 [22:46:02] <will__> i use mint now, but it would be nightmare for me to use without the desktop enviroment
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3288 [22:46:15] <guest1256> just use mint for irc
3289 [22:46:24] <apollo13> well servers are not ment to be operated via a gui (unless they are terminal servers or something)
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3291 [22:46:40] <guest1256> you could do it with GPC but it will be really slow
3292 [22:46:55] <guest1256> plus you would have to set up a vnc client and server
3293 [22:46:58] <jmcnaught> will__: what are you using the GCP instance for?
3294 [22:47:08] <guest1256> prob as a sort of bouncer
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3299 [22:47:50] <will__> jmcnaught: there's a little app im building as a summer project and i wanted to take advantage and learn a couple of other things in the process. Like how to run backend operations on a server, apis, etc
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3301 [22:48:13] <apollo13> will__: then it would be a good learning experience to drop the gui :=
3302 [22:48:16] <guest1256> try to learn irc with a cli client : )
3303 [22:48:16] <sypher> will__: We're not being mean when we tell you that you -need- to learn how to use the shell instead of relying on a GUI.
3304 [22:48:22] <guest1256> irssi, weechat
3305 [22:48:28] <will__> ok i understand
3306 [22:48:35] <jmcnaught> will__: don't install a GUI on the server, it's probably pointless. you'll probably end up having to run commands in a terminal window anyways
3307 [22:48:36] <will__> no gui (starts crying inside)
3308 [22:48:40] <apollo13> guest1256: you seem to be missing the point completely
3309 [22:48:50] <sypher> will__: Once you learn how to use the shell, a GUI just gets in the way.
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3311 [22:49:28] <will__> alright so i installed apach2 like i did before using mint. do i just ls and cd everywhere to explore directories now?
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3314 [22:50:52] <jmcnaught> !fundamentals
3315 [22:50:53] <dpkg> You'll get more out of Debian and *nix if you learn some of the fundamentals. Read the "Unix and Internet Fundamentals" HOWTO at replaced-url
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3320 [22:52:50] <will_> did i get kicked?
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3323 [22:53:33] <will__> ugh sorry didnt know i had two irc windows open. i opened an old one
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3331 [22:57:39] <will__> alright so if I need to edit html files, etc and when i go through the website folders, how do I know which image is what when i have a lot of them?
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3338 [22:58:41] <will__> and no syntax highlighting with code in console either is there
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3359 [23:13:19] <KNERD> Years ago, when the Mandrake distro was around, they had a nifty desktop application which istalled as part of the base isntall. It was a graphical IP address geo Locatitor. It had a world glob with you could zoom in and out on. Anything simila rot that in the Debian repos?
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3380 [23:28:19] <ZSky> Can I put this in a crontab:
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3383 [23:28:52] <ZSky> 0 0 0 0 * ntpdate -s time.nist.gov
3384 [23:29:15] <apollo13> why would you wanna do that?
3385 [23:29:34] <ZSky> because it seems that my server's time is going off 1 minute every few weeks
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3387 [23:29:42] <apollo13> so configure ntp?
3388 [23:29:51] <ZSky> not very precise RTC
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3390 [23:30:12] <apollo13> yes, that is why you'd have a ntp client running to adjust it all the time
3391 [23:30:13] <ZSky> apollo13 what do you suggest?
3392 [23:30:24] <apollo13> install and configure an ntp client
3393 [23:30:42] <ZSky> it might be already installed
3394 [23:30:43] <ZSky> how to check?
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3398 [23:32:16] <ZSky> Would this be wrong to update the date every 2 day? 0 0 */2 * * ntpdate -s time.nist.gov
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3400 [23:33:02] <jim> just a reminder, factoid codenames should be altered to include buster
3401 [23:33:16] <ZSky> jim: what does this mean?
3402 [23:33:42] <jim> ZSky, do you know what buster is?
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3406 [23:34:23] <ZSky> to bust something
3407 [23:34:26] <ZSky> ghost buster?
3408 [23:34:35] <jim> ZSky, also, /msg dpkg codenames
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3412 [23:36:04] <jim> ZSky, also, it's a toy story character... also it's the name of debian testing
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3417 [23:37:49] <skypce> hi guys
3418 [23:38:01] <skypce> do you know some alternative to systemback for debian 9?
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3423 [23:40:47] <Tenkawa> greetings all
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3430 [23:42:25] <prompt32> skypce, 'systemback' << is ?
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3434 [23:44:18] <skypce> prompt32, systemback do not work in debian 9, create all system correctly
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3436 [23:44:34] <skypce> but when you want install it , it says "could not mount the image"
3437 [23:44:47] <skypce> i was tested previous versions, and latest version
3438 [23:44:57] <skypce> doing a apt-get purge previously
3439 [23:45:01] <skypce> for remove all package
3440 [23:45:13] <skypce> nothing works with latest debian
3441 [23:46:48] <prompt32> skypce, sorry i dont know the 'systemback', its an app, ?
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3443 [23:47:15] <skypce> replaced-url
3444 [23:47:35] <skypce> it is a app for backup or create live iso install of a machine
3445 [23:49:23] <prompt32> ^ ok , i see, but not in the repository. So search the logs, and reverse engineering ;) ...., maybe
3446 [23:49:36] <prompt32> i mean ;(
3447 [23:49:55] <skypce> ok thankyou prompt32
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3449 [23:51:21] <prompt32> have many changes debian 9, its very fast, but me i dont use it, cause debian 9 stop to support multiseat X setups, at least, in the Xorg conf way
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