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8 [00:04:49] <darsie> hey
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11 [00:05:23] <darsie> replaced-url
12 [00:06:55] <darsie> Should I file a bug report?
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21 [00:09:36] <teraflops> darsie: what are you trying to do?
22 [00:10:04] <dontknow> darsie, you should edit "/etc/default/grub" and after that grub-update
23 [00:10:07] <darsie> teraflops: Preparing to reinstall debian
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25 [00:10:17] <dontknow> *update-grub
26 [00:10:39] <teraflops> and why are you editing bootloader config?
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31 [00:10:52] <darsie> dontknow: Then that sholud be in the installer manual. Unless it's for installing debian from other distros.
32 [00:10:58] <jmcnaught> darsie: the reason you would not edit that file is because update-initramfs would overwrite your changes. Those instructions are for temporarily booting the Debian installer from a hard drive, where presumably during the installation grub will be changing things more permanently
33 [00:11:11] <darsie> teraflops: So grub will boot the netboot images.
34 [00:11:32] <jmcnaught> darsie: you do not have a USB stick or CD-R available?
35 [00:11:33] <teraflops> darsie: use an up to date tutorial
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39 [00:12:02] <darsie> jmcnaught: I have a usb stick, but I'm unfamiliar with making it bootable. I'm more familiar with booting from hard disk.
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42 [00:12:29] <darsie> teraflops: Are you implying teh stretch installer manual is not up to date?
43 [00:12:32] <jmcnaught> darsie: the Debian install manual has instructions for making a bootable USB stick that are somewhat easier than those instructions
44 [00:12:54] <jmcnaught> darsie: replaced-url
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46 [00:13:08] <darsie> jmcnaught: That's good. I want to boot form disk, though.
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52 [00:14:02] <teraflops> darsie: I dont care, if you really want to add an entry to an isofrom grub you drop a snippet in /etc/grub.d
53 [00:14:25] <teraflops> also DO NOT EDIT THAT FILE is a completely sane advice
54 [00:14:30] <teraflops> (imho)
55 [00:14:33] <darsie> It's not an iso, it's linux and initrd.gz.
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58 [00:14:47] <teraflops> darsie: ಠ_ಠ
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60 [00:15:12] <jmcnaught> darsie: why not just use a USB stick? You download the iso file, do "cp debian.iso /dev/sdX", then you boot
61 [00:15:35] <teraflops> are you trying to win the 1st prize on the "weirdest debian installation contest"?
62 [00:15:51] <darsie> jmcnaught: I didn't have a usb stick before, so I'm used to booting from disk and I quite like it, e.g. because you don't need anything else.
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66 [00:16:46] <darsie> teraflops: No. Is there such a contest? You could give a link to it in the installe manual section describing installing from disk.
67 [00:17:23] <teraflops> grub can boot iso files from /boot directly
68 [00:17:26] <darsie> jmcnaught: That would probably erase the content of my stick.
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70 [00:17:37] <jmcnaught> darsie: of course it would
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80 [00:19:08] <jmcnaught> besides being easier and the de facto "normal" way to install Debian onto a PC, if you have a USB with a bootable Debian installer on it all the time, you can use it for rescue mode
81 [00:19:21] <teraflops> darsie: and the same stands for what you want, you create a custom entry in /etc/grub.d instead editing grub.conf file directly
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83 [00:19:56] <darsie> teraflops: Instructions how to do that wolud be great in the installer manual.
84 [00:20:11] <teraflops> darsie: I did not write that manual
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86 [00:20:25] <injustice> if i want to find out which package a specific header file is in, how can i search for that?
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91 [00:21:15] <teraflops> e.g use the web interface
92 [00:21:45] <jmcnaught> i think the instructions in replaced-url
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94 [00:22:52] <teraflops> injustice: which file?
95 [00:22:58] <injustice> libnetlink.h
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97 [00:23:22] <darsie> /etc/grub.d/40_custom
98 [00:23:44] <teraflops> injustice: which debian release are you using?
99 [00:23:57] <injustice> teraflops: stretch. i'm sick of guessing. there must be a way to use apt-cache to search fot this
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102 [00:24:09] <teraflops> ,file libnetlink.h
103 [00:24:13] <judd> No packages in stretch/amd64 were found with that file.
104 [00:24:34] <teraflops> injustice: it's in sid
105 [00:24:50] <teraflops> injustice: replaced-url
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110 [00:26:53] <teraflops> hmm
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112 [00:27:05] <teraflops> ,v iproute-dev
113 [00:27:06] <judd> Package: iproute-dev on amd64 -- wheezy: 20120521-3+b3
114 [00:27:12] <teraflops> aww
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117 [00:27:29] <teraflops> injustice: weird
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119 [00:27:37] <linuxTST> how do you add an encrypted swap ?
120 [00:27:52] <injustice> teraflops: is wheezy the most recent? can't i just add sid to apt sources
121 [00:28:19] <teraflops> you can… not that I recommend it
122 [00:28:22] <n4dir> injustice: i don't know, someone will have to confirm, but apt-file might be an idea
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125 [00:28:56] <injustice> teraflops: well i'm lazy and i want libnetlink, using rtnetlink looks like pain and suffering
126 [00:29:22] <jmcnaught> injustice: if you add sid to a stable system, you are going to have a bad time
127 [00:29:37] <n4dir> for sure not a lazy time though
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129 [00:29:59] <teraflops> injustice: again, not a good idea, in such situation try 1) backporting it (if possible), 2) use pining
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184 [00:55:40] <SpaceAce> how do i go about resetting my sources.list to the defaults, or finding that GUI from the installer to select a mirror?
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189 [00:57:38] <SpaceAce> i suppose this will do the job - replaced-url
190 [00:58:17] <SpaceAce> the server in question is a bit old. still running squeeze :(
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192 [00:58:21] <awal1> replaced-url
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195 [00:59:17] <awal1> SpaceAce, check ^
196 [00:59:25] <SpaceAce> shall do, thanks awal1
197 [00:59:31] <craysiii> Hello everyone, I am trying to reset root password on a customers debian 6 box, I see instructions to select "boot into recovery mode" and from there "boot as root user" in a secondary GUI menu, but for some reason I do not get that secondary menu. Is this expected behavior on debian 6?
198 [00:59:57] <SpaceAce> this is a production server so i don't want to upgrade the distribution, but i worry that the sources are no longer available for it
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203 [01:02:41] <nvz> craysiii: you need to boot the normal kernel option but edit the kernel command line I am not certain how to do that with your bootloader, but you need to add init=/bin/sh to the kernel command line or otherwise and perhaps more easy, is to boot from another device like a live cd or live usb
204 [01:03:15] <awal1> SpaceAce, jessie or stretch?
205 [01:03:18] <Brigo> SpaceAce, you shouldn't use squeeze in a production server.
206 [01:03:36] <craysiii> yeah i wanted to avoid editing grub arguments, seems like its my only choice now though. Thanks! :)
207 [01:03:56] <Brigo> craysiii, no, you can boot from a live cd
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209 [01:04:03] <SpaceAce> squeeze was stable at the time
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211 [01:04:21] <Brigo> SpaceAce, yes, but now it is not getting security updates.
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213 [01:04:26] <awal1> oh, squeeze :(
214 [01:04:29] <SpaceAce> :(
215 [01:04:32] <nvz> craysiii: recovery mode would only work if they knew the current password, to change it without knowing the password you have to user init=/bin/sh or boot from another device and chroot
216 [01:04:36] <craysiii> true, if i end up coming back to this customer site i will do so. currently though I am very far from a CD Burner, and im not sure if this server can even boot from a USB
217 [01:04:52] <SpaceAce> yeah, unfortunately i'm a bit scared re: upgrading without stuffing it up
218 [01:04:58] <craysiii> thanks nvz
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222 [01:05:17] <SpaceAce> i might just spin up a VPS and migrate things to that
223 [01:05:43] <SpaceAce> if anything goes wrong on this server it'll be my head, haha
224 [01:05:54] <SpaceAce> and the 12,000 active users
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226 [01:06:41] <Brigo> SpaceAce, i can understand you being scare of the upgrade, but i see not other option here.
227 [01:07:12] <Brigo> You can try upgrading Squeeze from long time support repo, but it enden in 2016.
228 [01:07:19] <Brigo> ended*
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230 [01:07:59] <Brigo> SpaceAce, i would clone the system and try and upgrade elsewhere an see how it goes.
231 [01:08:00] <SpaceAce> yeah, i'll work on upgrading.
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233 [01:08:24] <Brigo> SpaceAce, i would clone the system and try an upgrade elsewhere and see how it goes.
234 [01:08:41] <Brigo> time to go to sleep here.
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236 [01:08:51] <SpaceAce> thanks Brigo, i'll be doing that today. glad it's a friday because if i screw it up nobody will know :P
237 [01:08:57] <Brigo> XD
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239 [01:09:04] <Brigo> SpaceAce, lucky man :)
240 [01:09:05] <SpaceAce> much appreciated
241 [01:09:17] <Brigo> i am leaving now, bye.
242 [01:09:23] <SpaceAce> Bye!
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245 [01:09:45] <craysiii> so my grub looks like this: replaced-url
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247 [01:09:59] <craysiii> i would add the init=/bin/sh on like 9?
248 [01:10:01] <craysiii> line*
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274 [01:16:51] <Francy> its good to run multiple script with service like IRC ?
275 [01:17:10] <Francy> example run script1 & script2 & script3
276 [01:17:19] <Francy> replaced-url
277 [01:17:30] <Francy> can someone take a look and help me ? <333
278 [01:17:40] <Francy> :s
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289 [01:23:41] <Francy> no one there ?
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292 [01:25:20] <yokisuci> Francy: ??
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294 [01:26:54] <Francy> :D hi yokisuci
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297 [01:27:04] <Francy> sorry for stupid question
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299 [01:27:16] <Francy> I need to run multiple script
300 [01:27:23] <Francy> dont know how replaced-url
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303 [01:27:38] <Francy> I test like this but I dont know is the best way to do
304 [01:28:03] <Francy> init scripts can run other init scripts?
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307 [01:28:37] <yokisuci> Francy: Sorry right now I havenoidea. I'm kinda tiered and gonna sleep soon. But tbh I don't think would know either way. =/
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309 [01:29:17] <Francy> thanks anyway have a good dream!
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311 [01:29:48] <Francy> anyone there ! more than 1600 people
312 [01:29:50] <Francy> <3
313 [01:29:57] <Francy> please someone have idea?
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316 [01:30:56] <yokisuci> Francy: Have you tried asking at reddit? Depending on where most people are, there's chance that alot of them are sleeping. ^^
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318 [01:31:51] <Francy> thanks again for infos...I'll try to search somthing about it :)
319 [01:32:02] <yokisuci> :)
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324 [01:32:19] <Francy> you darlin*
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327 [01:34:42] <Eryn_1983_FL> hi peeps
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332 [01:35:26] <Eryn_1983_FL> does ssh or pam have features for challenge auth
333 [01:35:40] <Eryn_1983_FL> i remeber.reading it long ago
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335 [01:35:56] <stefan> we upgraded to 9.0 and we have issues with systemd now. systemd package was not installed and after installation all systemctl commands says "Failed to connect to bus: No such file or directory". any ideas?
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338 [01:36:33] <top_byte> When using ndiswrapper to install a windows driver but there is no inf file in the folder what should you do?
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349 [01:40:50] <jrmu> Is X-forwarding over a local network inherently going to have very high-latency, or is it that my network is too old? I'm doing the X-forwarding over 100MBit ethernet
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355 [01:41:51] <jrmu> I'm not sure if the issue is due to my network connection being slow or the processors being too slow (one is an old i386 laptop)
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445 [02:35:12] <allan_wind> Is there a better way to install the short lived branch of the nvidia driver than manually? I know the long range driver is in debian but it frequently fail to start gdm3.
446 [02:35:28] <allan_wind> long lived, I mean
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448 [02:36:07] <allan_wind> (short lived is 381.22)
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462 [02:46:55] <padonak> i have farted so hard and it stinks, wanna sniff?
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467 [02:53:59] <mrr0butt> padonak r u sure u didn't shit your pants?
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470 [02:55:13] <nvz> I wonder if you can use chkinstall to make a deb out of the upstream nvidia installer
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472 [02:55:36] <nvz> doesnt really sound like a good idea though
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474 [02:56:55] <padonak> i have farted so hard and it stinks, wanna sniff?
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476 [02:57:21] <nvz> eir: you missed one ^
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479 [02:58:27] <glick> hi folks, question, by defualt how does debian keep track of time?
480 [02:58:42] <glick> esp on my vps
481 [02:58:53] <nvz> glick: using the rtc ?
482 [02:59:04] <nvz> usually with an ntpd as well
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484 [02:59:20] <user2935> replaced-url
485 [02:59:59] <glick> i see
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505 [03:12:12] <glick> hi
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507 [03:12:37] <glick> do i need a firewall if i only have 3 listening services, and mysql is listening for localhost connections only?
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521 [03:25:16] <glick> hello?
522 [03:25:20] <glick> anyone around?
523 [03:25:49] <LtL> glick: if you run sshd, change the default port 22 to something else
524 [03:26:04] <glick> i disabled root login and password login on ssh
525 [03:27:19] <LtL> glick: change the port or watch /var/log/auth.log to get a lot of attempts
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527 [03:30:19] <LtL> glick: if you're behind a router and havent port forwarded then ssh on 22 on the LAN is fine
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530 [03:32:00] <glick> ltl wont a simple port scan show what port its running on anyway?
531 [03:32:03] <glick> LtL:
532 [03:32:31] <glick> nah this is a webserver linode LtL
533 [03:33:05] <LtL> glick: if they scan the range it listens on. most wont scan 65,635 ports
534 [03:33:20] <glick> should i use fail2ban?
535 [03:33:22] <LtL> 65535
536 [03:33:39] <LtL> glick: not a bad idea, yes
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541 [03:34:04] <glick> fail2ban AND change the default port?
542 [03:34:23] <Epx998> Is it possible to add a complied version of the ixgbe driver to the netboot initrd.gz image?
543 [03:34:27] <LtL> glick: its a good idea
544 [03:34:47] <glick> AND run a firewall AND OSSEC?
545 [03:34:52] <glick> i dont know that all seems like overkill
546 [03:36:50] <LtL> famous last words
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548 [03:37:34] <sypher> glick: It's called defense in depth. Don't rely on a single control to secure the system. Secure in layers.
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550 [03:38:17] <Eryn_1983_FL> hey peeps whats the channel for web coding
551 [03:38:23] <Eryn_1983_FL> i need some js and css help,
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553 [03:38:39] <ryouma> #programming maybe, but there are probably channels for those too i think
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584 [04:03:57] <__marioxcc> Hello.
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586 [04:05:21] <guest64432> replaced-url
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589 [04:05:54] <__marioxcc> I want to install Debian from the hard disk. Apparently I have to use these replaced-url
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592 [04:07:04] <abrotman> guest64432: do you need help with your IRC client?
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596 [04:09:41] <guest64432> just like using the kiwiirc web chat version... do you have another suggestion
597 [04:10:27] <LtL> guest64432: anything BUT kiwi :)
598 [04:11:00] <guest64432> really.. lol. what's the beef you've got with this delicious fruit
599 [04:11:19] <abrotman> no need to paste the URL into the channel
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604 [04:12:23] <guest64432> my apologies
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666 [04:34:55] <singer22> whats going on peeps
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668 [04:35:18] <singer22> mst cant stop my nick from connecting wow
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697 [04:44:54] <singer23> MST IS TRYING TO RAPE MY ASS
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732 [04:49:37] <Canucktux_> reeeeeeeeeeeee
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755 [04:51:47] <glick> hi, is anyone here somewhat versed in sendmail?
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757 [04:51:52] <glick> trying to send a test email to myself
758 [04:52:05] <glick> using sendmail -t email@address.com
759 [04:52:16] <glick> when i hit enter i just get a blank line with a curser
760 [04:52:22] <glick> and which point i dont know what to do next
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762 [04:52:30] <glick> so i just ctrl-c out of there
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766 [04:53:13] <BenNZ> glick: need -m "your message here"
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772 [04:53:48] <glick> BenNZ: so sendmail -t email@address -m "message"?
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774 [04:54:35] <BenNZ> glick: yep
775 [04:54:42] <glick> still hangs
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777 [04:54:56] <glick> i get a blank line with a blinking cursor
778 [04:54:58] <glick> i can type
779 [04:55:01] <glick> but nothing
780 [04:55:03] <glick> no prompt
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787 [04:57:12] <BenNZ> glick: are you trying to send locally ?
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871 [05:23:49] <glick> hey after ive update my hosts file how do i make the changes take affect?
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906 [05:38:57] <glick> hey if i change my servers hostname, will that invalidate my ssh no login key?
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909 [05:40:01] <ned_-> why "no login" key ?
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911 [05:40:24] <ned_-> just put them root pass
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940 [06:00:08] <cafuego> glick: No, BUT you may need to re-accept the servers SSH host key, if it's currently stored by the old hostname in your ~/.ssh/known_hosts.
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950 [06:07:14] <allan_wind> Anyone figured out to route journal to syslog-ng in stretch? You used to be able to "disable" journald with Storage=none, and ForwardToSyslog=yes
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961 [06:18:06] <allan_wind> I really dislike systemd.
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971 [06:24:17] <whathappen> does debian have support for tcsh?
972 [06:24:54] <allan_wind> yes, tcsh is available on debian
973 [06:25:22] <whathappen> is it possible to make it the default shell
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975 [06:25:43] <allan_wind> what do you mean with default?
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977 [06:26:13] <whathappen> everytime you start terminal emulator
978 [06:26:41] <z8z> allan_wind: What do you mean with "What do you mean default" ?
979 [06:26:43] <allan_wind> yes, see chsh, or you can just modify /etc/paswd
980 [06:26:53] <allan_wind> /etc/passwd
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986 [06:29:19] <singer23> _0x5eb_ __C_P__ _aeris_ _guios _Hoss_ _KaszpiR_ _rubik _systemd_is_evil _tremo _Vi `Kevin `z a1f A_Person aaa| aaro aatwood abff abra0 abracadaniel abrotman abu0 acecile AciD` Acrisor Ad1Tech adamus1red adc Aebian Afforess afx237 ageis agustafson aib AimHere aindilis AJ_Z0 ajp akibabot aksis_ akxwi-dave Al3xG0 alecov alekz Alesk13 alexbligh1 alexlist AlexZ_ alfred_ Alina-malina allan_wind allorder
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989 [06:29:45] <singer23> _0x5eb_ __C_P__ _aeris_ _guios _Hoss_ _KaszpiR_ _rubik _systemd_is_evil _tremo _Vi `Kevin `z a1f A_Person aaa| aaro aatwood abff abra0 abracadaniel abrotman abu0 acecile AciD` Acrisor Ad1Tech adamus1red adc Aebian Afforess afx237 ageis agustafson aib AimHere aindilis AJ_Z0 ajp akibabot aksis_ akxwi-dave Al3xG0 alecov alekz Alesk13 alexbligh1 alexlist AlexZ_ alfred_ Alina-malina allan_wind allorder Almtesh alprazolam AlwaysHi- alxd amosbird
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997 [06:31:17] <singer23> THAT FUCKER MST IS CRAZY AS FUCK HELP!!!
998 [06:31:22] <singer23> _0x5eb_ __C_P__ _aeris_ _guios _Hoss_ _KaszpiR_ _rubik _systemd_is_evil _tremo _Vi `Kevin `z a1f A_Person aaa| aaro aatwood abff abra0 abracadaniel abrotman abu0 acecile AciD` Acrisor Ad1Tech adamus1red adc Aebian Afforess afx237 ageis agustafson aib AimHere aindilis AJ_Z0 ajp akibabot aksis_ akxwi-dave Al3xG0 alecov alekz Alesk13 alexbligh1 alexlist AlexZ_ alfred_ Alina-malina allan_wind allorder Almtesh alprazolam AlwaysHi- alxd amosbird
999 [06:31:22] <singer23> amospalla Amplificator Amun_Ra Anarchic ancky andai Andocromn Andreas33 AndrewMC angor angular_mike_ antgel antismap` AntiSpamMeta Apeiron` ApEtc APexil Aph3x-WL APLU apollo13 apollojustice apt arawack ArchDuke Archrover ariador Arilotan Aristar_ Aristide Arkaniad_ ArlequInOut armin Arrowmaster Arroyo1010 Artemis3 Artox ashka Asoka at0m AtheroS__ Atlas atomi Attoy awdfew3roi awhitlock8 AxForest axujen azg azizLIGHT b30wulf babilen ballessay
1000 [06:31:22] <singer23> Baltazar bananadev banging_ barteks2x basso Baudelaire bauerj BaW bcd bdeferme beaky BeamWatcher beardo beardy Ben64 benaiah BenderRodriguez benf benj_ benster Bercik berndj bertbob beuker bezaban bfit bgamari bgardner bhuddah bhuvi_ bibiirc_ bier BiGBOi bigjazzsound bigpresh binaryc bins bionix bipolar bismilah bitch Bl4ckC0r3 Bl4ckC0re blackest_mamba BlackPanx blacksyke blackwell Blanco blazeme8 blitzed blue blueness bluszcz bobe bobvador
1001 [06:31:22] <singer23> bodeezl bogus- bois bollo bolt Bonn333 borsin boser BotaniCar boubou boxrick1 bpsecret- bradjones BrainWork breitenj brian_ brian|lfs brolin_empey brouette bruce549 brunus Bryanstein bub_ Buumi bwf BWMerlin bytesquid bzed c0 ca_buf Cabanossi cadeskywalker cafuego Canucktux_ CapsAdmin Captainfixerpc14 Carno cateye catsup Cavedude cbdev CBF16888 cbmuser CeBe Ceber cef Celelibi celyr CEnnis91 ceptor cerbere cerebro Cerise_ cha18 chachasmooth
1002 [06:31:22] <singer23> chalcedony ChanServ chaology Chaosmaster Char0n cheapie chen cherti chillax chownsauce ChrisH CHRiSNEW chrissl churnd cinis Cipher45_ Cisien civillian ckuehl Cl0udN9ne cliluw clopez clorophormo_ Clouder cmam CME cmichel cnu- codebam codebam- CodingWithClass colo-work Colti colttt Commander1024 CompWizrd Comstock Conino_ conspacer cooldude Cork coruja_ Countess_Bathory crash_ crayon craysiii CrazyEddy CrazyyMaxx croddy Croepha cronic cryptic
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1006 [06:31:53] <singer23> that mother fucker
1007 [06:31:54] <singer23> msg
1008 [06:31:57] <singer23> mst
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1010 [06:32:12] <allan_wind> hmm... what's the deal?
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1012 [06:32:24] <singer23> THAT BITCH MST IS TRYING TO RAPE ME!!!!
1013 [06:32:29] <Canucktux_> NORMIES GET OUT
1014 [06:32:31] <singer23> help
1015 [06:32:35] <singer23> HELP
1016 [06:32:38] <singer23> !!!!!
1017 [06:32:39] <dpkg> "Multiple exclamation marks," he went on, shaking his head, "are a sure sign of a diseased mind." - Terry Pratchett, Eric
1018 [06:32:49] <singer23> THAT FUCKERS IS TRYING TO RAPE MY HOLE
1019 [06:32:52] <singer23> MST
1020 [06:33:04] <Rusty1_> !ops singer needs help
1021 [06:33:05] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: rusty1_ complains about: singer needs help
1022 [06:33:11] <singer23> THAT FAGGOT INCOMPETENT OP CANT DO FUCKING SHIT
1023 [06:33:13] <singer23> MST
1024 [06:33:16] <singer23> WHAT A LOSER BITCH
1025 [06:33:23] <singer23> IM STILL HERE MOTHER FUCKERS
1026 [06:33:26] <singer23> BAAHAHA
1027 [06:33:46] <singer23> INCOMPETENT FUCKING OPS
1028 [06:33:50] <singer23> !OPS
1029 [06:33:50] <dpkg> Please invoke 'dpkg: ops $problem' to call the operators to deal with a specific problem. Misuse of this will lead to a ban. Operators can also be contacted in the #debian-ops channel.
1030 [06:33:57] <singer23> GET YOUR ASSES UP BITCHES
1031 [06:34:00] <singer23> !ops
1032 [06:34:00] <dpkg> Please invoke 'dpkg: ops $problem' to call the operators to deal with a specific problem. Misuse of this will lead to a ban. Operators can also be contacted in the #debian-ops channel.
1033 [06:34:08] <singer23> !ops wake up bitches
1034 [06:34:08] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: singer23 complains about: wake up bitches
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1036 [06:34:18] <z8z> xD
1037 [06:34:20] <singer23> !ops mother fuckers wake your damn ass up
1038 [06:34:21] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: singer23 complains about: mother fuckers wake your damn ass up
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1040 [06:34:45] <glick> lol
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1043 [06:34:47] <singer23> im back fags
1044 [06:34:53] <whathappen> inst tor banned by freenode
1045 [06:34:56] <singer23> !ops where the fuck are the ops lazy asses
1046 [06:34:57] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: singer23 complains about: where the fuck are the ops lazy asses
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1048 [06:34:59] <glick> lol
1049 [06:35:14] <singer23> !ops these worthless faggots
1050 [06:35:14] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: singer23 complains about: these worthless faggots
1051 [06:35:31] <singer23> !ops not a damn op awake what a fucking shame
1052 [06:35:31] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: singer23 complains about: not a damn op awake what a fucking shame
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1055 [06:36:03] <singer23> CAN WE TALK BITCHES??
1056 [06:36:09] <singer23> CAN WE TALK BITCHES???
1057 [06:36:17] <singer23> WHATS GOING ON TODAY FAGGOTS
1058 [06:36:20] <singer23> HOW WAS YOUR 4TH
1059 [06:36:37] <singer23> !ops ops still fucking hung over from the 4th stupid ass drunks
1060 [06:36:37] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: singer23 complains about: ops still fucking hung over from the 4th stupid ass drunks
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1064 [06:37:43] <singer23> HOW LONG HAS MST BEEN SUCH A GAY LITTLE TWINK??
1065 [06:37:47] <singer23> !OPS
1066 [06:37:47] <dpkg> Please invoke 'dpkg: ops $problem' to call the operators to deal with a specific problem. Misuse of this will lead to a ban. Operators can also be contacted in the #debian-ops channel.
1067 [06:37:50] <singer23> !ops
1068 [06:37:50] <dpkg> Please invoke 'dpkg: ops $problem' to call the operators to deal with a specific problem. Misuse of this will lead to a ban. Operators can also be contacted in the #debian-ops channel.
1069 [06:38:01] <singer23> !ops GET THE FUCK UP
1070 [06:38:01] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: singer23 complains about: GET THE FUCK UP
1071 [06:38:24] <singer23> bitch stop pinging me thedcoder
1072 [06:38:33] <singer23> i c you cunt
1073 [06:38:35] <singer23> pinging me
1074 [06:38:43] <singer23> bitch that shit flood
1075 [06:38:47] <singer23> rofl
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1077 [06:38:58] <singer23> you got a lot to learn about flooding faggot
1078 [06:39:04] <singer23> _0x5eb_ __C_P__ _aeris_ _guios _Hoss_ _KaszpiR_ _rubik _systemd_is_evil _tremo _Vi `Kevin `z a1f A_Person aaa| aaro aatwood abff abra0 abracadaniel abrotman abu0 acecile AciD` Acrisor Ad1Tech adamus1red adc Aebian Afforess afx237 ageis agustafson aib AimHere aindilis AJ_Z0 ajp akibabot aksis_ akxwi-dave Al3xG0 alekz Alesk13 alexbligh1 alexlist AlexZ_ alfred_ Alina-malina allorder Almtesh alprazolam AlwaysHi- alxd amosbird amospalla
1079 [06:39:04] <singer23> Amplificator Amun_Ra Anarchic ancky andai Andocromn Andreas33 AndrewMC angor angular_mike_ antgel antismap` AntiSpamMeta Apeiron` ApEtc APexil Aph3x-WL APLU apollo13 apollojustice apt ArchDuke Archrover ariador Arilotan Aristar_ Aristide Arkaniad_ ArlequInOut armin Arrowmaster Arroyo1010 Artemis3 Artox ashka Asoka at0m AtheroS__ Atlas atomi Attoy awdfew3roi awhitlock8 AxForest axujen azg azizLIGHT b30wulf babilen ballessay Baltazar
1080 [06:39:04] <singer23> bananadev banging_ barteks2x basso Baudelaire bauerj BaW bcd bdeferme beaky BeamWatcher beardo beardy Ben64 benaiah BenderRodriguez benf benj_ benster Bercik berndj bertbob beuker bezaban bfit bgamari bgardner bhuddah bhuvi_ bibiirc_ bier BiGBOi bigjazzsound bigpresh binaryc bins bionix bipolar bismilah bitch Bl4ckC0r3 Bl4ckC0re blackest_mamba BlackPanx blacksyke blackwell Blanco blazeme8 blitzed blue blueness bluszcz bobe bobvador bodeezl
1081 [06:39:04] <singer23> bogus- bois bollo bolt Bonn333 borsin boser BotaniCar boubou boxrick1 bpsecret- bradjones BrainWork breitenj brian_ brian|lfs brolin_empey brouette bruce549 brunus Bryanstein bub_ Buumi bwf BWMerlin bytesquid bzed c0 ca_buf Cabanossi cadeskywalker cafuego Canucktux_ CapsAdmin Captainfixerpc14 Carno cateye catsup Cavedude cbdev CBF16888 cbmuser CeBe Ceber cef Celelibi celyr CEnnis91 ceptor cerbere cerebro Cerise_ cha18 chachasmooth
1082 [06:39:04] <singer23> chalcedony ChanServ chaology Chaosmaster Char0n cheapie chen cherti chillax chownsauce ChrisH CHRiSNEW chrissl churnd cinis Cipher45_ Cisien civillian ckuehl Cl0udN9ne cliluw clopez clorophormo_ Clouder cmam CME cmichel cnu- codebam codebam- CodingWithClass colo-work Colti colttt Commander1024 CompWizrd Comstock Conino_ conspacer cooldude Cork coruja_ Countess_Bathory crash_ crayon craysiii CrazyEddy CrazyyMaxx croddy Croepha cronic cryptic
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1086 [06:39:37] <singer23> WHY EVEN HAVE OPS ON A CHANNEL..FAGGOT MST CAN EVEN FUCKING KLINE RIGTH
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1088 [06:39:38] <z8z> rofl
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1090 [06:40:02] <singer23> FUCKING IRCOPS DONT EVEN KNOW HOW TO KLINE
1091 [06:40:07] <singer23> ROFL
1092 [06:40:17] <singer23> MST LEARN TO KLINE PROPERLY BITCH
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1094 [06:40:29] <singer23> !ops where the fuck are you faggots
1095 [06:40:29] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: singer23 complains about: where the fuck are you faggots
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1097 [06:40:52] <singer23> _0x5eb_ __C_P__ _aeris_ _guios _Hoss_ _KaszpiR_ _rubik _systemd_is_evil _tremo _Vi `Kevin `z a1f A_Person aaa| aaro aatwood abff abra0 abracadaniel abrotman abu0 acecile AciD` Acrisor Ad1Tech adamus1red adc Aebian Afforess afx237 ageis agustafson aib AimHere aindilis AJ_Z0 ajp akibabot aksis_ akxwi-dave Al3xG0 alekz Alesk13 alexbligh1 alexlist AlexZ_ alfred_ Alina-malina allorder Almtesh alprazolam AlwaysHi- alxd amosbird amospalla
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1101 [06:41:20] <singer23> WTF
1102 [06:41:21] <singer23> ROFL
1103 [06:41:24] <z8z> <3 singer23
1104 [06:41:31] <singer23> LOOK AT THESE FAGGOTS THAT CANT KLINE
1105 [06:41:47] <singer23> WORTHLESS FAG IRCOPS
1106 [06:42:05] <craysiii> Is that you terry?
1107 [06:42:11] <singer23> I DEMAN AN OP RIGHT FUCKING NOW
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1114 [06:43:33] <singer23> IM FLYING DOROTHY...IM FLYING DOROTHY
1115 [06:43:46] <glick> ok this was amusing for a little while
1116 [06:43:48] <glick> now its bed time
1117 [06:43:49] <glick> night
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1124 [06:44:47] <craysiii> quitting irc in 2017 lol
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1150 [06:51:59] <brian|lfs> did someone ask me a question today?
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1153 [06:52:18] <brian|lfs> I keep seeing green on my screen but don't see the question
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1163 [06:55:10] <Tsutsukakushi> detaching the last tmux session on buster seems to kill the tmux server
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1166 [06:55:20] <Tsutsukakushi> this is quite annoying
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1177 [06:57:52] <elky> brian|lfs: probably no there's been nickspam
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1197 [07:03:42] <ned_-> singer23 your host's packet loss
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1201 [07:05:51] <cornel> hello
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1203 [07:06:07] <cornel> yesterday i started to install debian 9
1204 [07:06:16] <cornel> TODAY IT'S STILL AT THE POPULARITY CONTEST
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1206 [07:06:23] <cornel> sorry for the caps
1207 [07:06:33] <cornel> how can i find out what is wrong here?
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1210 [07:07:39] <Canucktux_> cornel: like you can't click past?
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1212 [07:07:57] <singer23> !ops wake up bitches
1213 [07:07:57] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: singer23 complains about: wake up bitches
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1215 [07:08:12] <cornel> Canucktux_, nowhere to click
1216 [07:08:23] <Canucktux_> hmmm
1217 [07:08:29] <cornel> Canucktux_, the select and install software looks like it;s in progress
1218 [07:08:39] <cornel> around 15% maybe completed
1219 [07:08:44] <Canucktux_> do you have internet?
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1221 [07:08:55] <Canucktux_> try hardwiring it
1222 [07:08:56] <cornel> the text says Preparing popularity contest (amd64)
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1226 [07:09:17] <cornel> google.com replies to ping
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1228 [07:09:23] <cornel> Canucktux_, ^
1229 [07:09:36] <Canucktux_> weiiird
1230 [07:09:43] <cornel> graphical installer, by the way
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1235 [07:11:02] <cornel> just so you know, something close to this happened when i've installed ubuntu 16.04 server on this machine: i started one day, the next day was still doing something, but that gave sign of life and eventually completed
1236 [07:11:10] <cornel> not booted but that's another story
1237 [07:11:24] <cornel> Canucktux_, ^
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1239 [07:11:49] <cornel> fedora and centos however, don't show this problem
1240 [07:11:59] <cornel> and also windows 10
1241 [07:12:04] <Canucktux_> strange
1242 [07:12:05] <cornel> no problem
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1244 [07:12:26] <Canucktux_> maybe run memtest and other tests to see if it's a HW issue
1245 [07:12:33] <cornel> ok
1246 [07:12:37] <cornel> thank you
1247 [07:13:45] <Canucktux_> is this the net install or the LiveCD?
1248 [07:13:49] <cornel> before taht: processor it's a 3rd gen i7
1249 [07:13:52] <cornel> net install
1250 [07:14:07] <cornel> motherboard is gigabyte
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1252 [07:14:35] <cornel> and the whole system feels a little unstable. sometimes it's just locking and has to be reset
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1254 [07:14:48] <cornel> so maybe it's n ot a software bug at all
1255 [07:14:57] <cornel> on to the hardware testing :/
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1266 [07:22:30] <Canucktux_> good luck cornel
1267 [07:23:08] <cornel> thank you Canucktux_
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1271 [07:26:48] <cornel> one question though: i know there was an update to the original media
1272 [07:26:56] <cornel> however this one says 9.0.0
1273 [07:27:03] <cornel> the update was not for netinstall?
1274 [07:27:20] <cornel> or there was no update at all? :)
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1291 [07:36:09] <Canucktux_> cornel: I know the live CD was having some issues
1292 [07:36:43] <cornel> ok
1293 [07:36:50] <cornel> thank you
1294 [07:38:06] <Canucktux_> I also see 9.0.0 on replaced-url
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1330 [08:17:55] <joe03> Hi, how can I disable auto assemble of md devices on boot in Debian 9?
1331 [08:20:11] <jmcnaught> joe03: add raid=noautodetect to the kernel boot parameters. replaced-url
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1336 [08:23:14] <allan_wind> why would you want to do that? just curious
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1353 [08:27:04] <joe03> jmcnaught: thanks for that hint but it still starts the md devices in auto-read-only mode. /proc/cmdline tells that it started with raid=noautodetect.
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1356 [08:30:34] <joe03> allan_wind: it is a virtual fileserver in a productive system that should start its md devices from a custom script only.
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1361 [08:31:36] <allan_wind> could you just no mount the file system? i.e. fstab noauto
1362 [08:31:51] <allan_wind> s/no /not/
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1364 [08:33:26] <joe03> allan_wind: mounting is not the issue. mdadm should not start the md126 device.
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1402 [08:37:23] <joe03> I already tried everything I could find on google: boot param, AUTO-=all in mdadm.conf, disabled mdadm init scripts ... but the md device is still been assembled during boot. Maybe systemd is causing this issue?
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1409 [08:38:00] <allan_wind> Is auto assembled stored in the device, i.e. the --auto=no option?
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1432 [08:39:04] <jmcnaught> joe03: what's the deal with the custom script? maybe you could solve whatever the script is the solution for differently, with x-systemd.requires= in fstab for example; systemd.mount(5)
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1434 [08:39:15] <allan_wind> nah, doesn't make sense, disregard that
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1460 [08:43:18] <joe03> The custom script assembles the md devices, checks if another files accesses the vmdks and then starts all the services on the filer nfs, samba, and some others. It fails because the md device is already assembled (ro) and has a wrong name.
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1465 [08:43:42] <joe03> *filer accesses ....
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1467 [08:47:19] <allan_wind> joe3: did you see the part about <ignore> in mdadm.conf?
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1476 [08:50:12] <joe03> allan_wind: no I didn't. I'll try
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1486 [08:57:19] <joe03> allan_wind: tried "ARRAY /dev/md* <ignore>", "ARRAY /dev/md126 <ignore>" and "ARRAY fs-kl1:123 <ignore>"-> still being assembled.
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1488 [08:59:06] <deegan> I got an issue with drbd version since upgrading Proxmox from 4.4 to 5.0, which is running on stretch rather than jessie. Could use some help figuring out how to get the same package that was on jessie in to stretch, because the version is newer but the api version seems to be lower. replaced-url
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1490 [09:00:01] <allan_wind> joe03: I think <ignore> has to be 2nd word
1491 [09:00:01] <deegan> If anyone has some experience with this it would mean a lot to get some pointers. Because the only thing not running is drbd right now, and it seems to be because of either api mismatch or just the configuration file that needs to change. But seeing as it runs on one of two nodes i'm reluctant to changing the configuration file.
1492 [09:00:43] <deegan> It's a two node cluster, with one virtual for quorum, and the upgraded node is the one with the problems.
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1500 [09:05:48] <allan_wind> joe03: replaced-url
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1506 [09:12:26] <allan_wind> joe03: also, you said you tried AUTO-=all. Do you mean AUTO -all
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1508 [09:14:11] <allan_wind> ?
1509 [09:14:13] <joe03> allan_wind: I tried both versions now without luck ...
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1511 [09:14:49] <allan_wind> joe03: sorry, been a while since I played with md, just reading man pages to see if I could help you
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1516 [09:16:17] <joe03> allan_wind: thanks for your help. It is just annoying that all the documented options do not work at all ...
1517 [09:16:41] <allan_wind> maybe take look at the src?
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1521 [09:18:22] <joe03> I don't know. It'll take a lot of time.
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1529 [09:23:51] <joe03> allan_wind: I also tried to modify the 64-md-raid-assembly.rules without success.
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1575 [09:55:25] <fast> Hello, where do i find the gpg key ids i need to import for stretch?
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1579 [09:58:31] <babilen> fast: You should only require a recent installation of the debian-archive-keyring package (depends on what you are trying to do though)
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1583 [10:00:08] <fast> babilen: trying to sync my mirror with stretch
1584 [10:00:17] <lpancescu> i also saw a warning about some gpg key at the 'apt-get update' phase of jessie->stretch, but dist-upgrade seems to work without me doing anything about gpg keys
1585 [10:00:35] <babilen> fast: Which tool do you use and on what platform is your mirror running?
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1587 [10:00:42] <fast> jessie
1588 [10:01:40] <babilen> fast: We've upgraded our mirror to stretch and it syncs wonderfully now. If you don't want to do that you can probably just grab a recent debian-archive-keyring package and point your tool at the keyring within
1589 [10:01:47] <babilen> (but that wouldn't get upgraded)
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1603 [10:06:31] <rootmonk> hi
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1617 [10:13:27] <fast> babilen: Thanks, I've found the key and imported it manually ;)
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1630 [10:22:27] <satbyy> Does debian operate a PGP keyserver ? Like Ubuntu has for example (keyserver.ubuntu.com)
1631 [10:23:04] <fast> keyring.debian.org
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1635 [10:26:40] <satbyy> fast: I think that's only for Debian contributors
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1643 [10:28:44] <satbyy> Ubuntu's is general-purpose. For example, is somehow sync'ed with other servers like pgp.mit.edu etc
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1739 [11:18:51] <hexhaxtron> Hi! I want to provide SSH Accounts, Email Accounts and Web Hosting to people. Should I install Debian and use it on bare metal or should I install Debian and then KVM and then Debian again?
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1742 [11:20:09] <mert> if you have groups then second one is better
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1745 [11:20:22] <mert> lets say workgroup and friends etc
1746 [11:20:33] <hexhaxtron> I don't have groups.
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1748 [11:21:21] <Iridos> how do you like "it depends" for an answer? ^^
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1751 [11:22:41] <mert> basically if you have one domain, no need for kvm, if more than one domain/ip vm way better
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1753 [11:23:36] <mert> btw how many physical interfaces you have for networking, how many external ip addresses can u register
1754 [11:23:39] <bezaban> if a commercial venture then vms or containers would scale/work better
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1767 [11:34:02] <Aebian> can some one guide me? Whats the best way to search for packages. for e.g. searching for per libraries. Should I check a debian website or use a command for it?
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1770 [11:34:10] <Aebian> *perl
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1789 [11:44:49] <satbyy> Aebian: apt search <package>
1790 [11:45:21] <Aebian> satbyy: I already done that but I'm a bit confused what package is the real one I need
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1793 [11:46:14] <Aebian> so general I'm not sure how to refine the search
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1797 [11:48:39] <bolt> Aebian: if you specified what you need, people might be able to help you search for that
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1799 [11:49:09] <bolt> Aebian: we don't know what you're looking for, other than that it's some library related to, or implemented in, perl
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1801 [11:49:50] <humbot> use the grep
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1803 [11:49:59] <Aebian> well I want perl support for my irssi build so I need perl libraries but I'm not sure which are the right one. I have perl installed /usr/bin/perl but thats not the librarie
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1806 [11:52:10] <bolt> libperl-dev?
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1808 [11:53:50] <Aebian> bolt: exactly that was the one
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1828 [12:03:11] <svennd> I try to get my mac spoofed on a bridge, but if i use "ip addr" I keep seeing the original mac address. my /etc/network/interfaces replaced-url
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1830 [12:04:05] <svennd> enp6s0 keeps having his own reall mac address, how can I change that ?
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1873 [12:25:44] <ewan_s> when I run "ip a" I see 3: wlp6s0: <BROADCAST,MULTICAST> mtu 1500 qdisc noop state DOWN group default qlen 1000
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1879 [12:26:23] <ewan_s> If I run " sudo ifup wlp6s0" I get "ifup: unknown interface wlp6s0"
1880 [12:26:32] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
1881 [12:26:40] <Aebian> for some reason my terminal is not autoupdating. If I do for e.g. open a file in vimn and at the end of the line press O to get one empty line below in insert mode I need to ;wq and then reopen to file to see the change. Whats wrong?
1882 [12:27:23] <ewan_s> I'm tring to use wicd to attache to wifi, but can't get the nic to come up
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1889 [12:31:47] <BluesKaj> ewan_s, run ip a to find the correct wifi assigned name
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1891 [12:32:23] <Aebian> ah was the tcp keep alive setting in the terminal. fixed it
1892 [12:33:12] <BluesKaj> you might have one letter/number wrong, ewan_s
1893 [12:35:11] <ewan_s> BluesKaj: 3: wlp6s0: <BROADCAST,MULTICAST> mtu 1500 qdisc noop state DOWN group default qlen 1000
1894 [12:35:14] <ewan_s> link/ether 00:18:de:7b:3a:79 brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
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1896 [12:35:43] <ewan_s> (1 is lo, 2 is enp8s8)
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1898 [12:36:06] <BluesKaj> why wicd. what's wron??g with network manager ?
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1900 [12:36:30] <BluesKaj> oopws, scuse the typos
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1905 [12:37:46] <ewan_s> BluesKaj I'm using XFCE as my desktop and the Wiki said wicd was a better bet. Would you try nm?
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1908 [12:38:46] <BluesKaj> ewan_s, isn't NM default on XFCE?
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1912 [12:40:05] <BluesKaj> I use NM on my Lenovo G500 laptop, works fine, but I'm on KDE/plasama, ewan_s
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1915 [12:40:47] <ewan_s> BluesKaj - I was going off
1916 [12:40:58] <ewan_s> replaced-url
1917 [12:41:27] <ewan_s> I guess I'll give it a try with NM
1918 [12:42:18] <ewan_s> I had it working with Gnome and Jessie on the same box before I made the mistake of a distro hop
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1926 [12:44:56] <BluesKaj> ewan_s, network-manager-gnome
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1935 [12:47:16] <ewan_s> BlueKaj - thanks. Let you know how it goes.
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1938 [12:48:02] <BluesKaj> ew ok
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2001 [13:30:56] <pvdp> Hi, I'm trying to install debian stretch on a 12-disk RAID6 array with LVM. Installer works fine. But booting with GRUB won't work.
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2005 [13:31:56] <pvdp> What is the correct way of getting GRUB to work ok with RAID6?
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2010 [13:36:04] <Aebian> I don't get the manual of stty and also google is not that helpful. My goal is to remove that the 'Pause/Break' Button sends ^Z when pressed. Any idea how? I tried 'stty -susp' but thats not working
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2017 [13:41:21] <sypher> pvdp: RAID6 using a hardware raid controller, or mdadm?
2018 [13:41:38] <pvdp> mdadm
2019 [13:41:51] <sypher> pvdp: Where are you installing GRUB?
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2022 [13:43:19] <pvdp> I partitioned the 12 disks in 2 partitions of equal size each. 1 set is used for /boot only and the other set for root. So I end up with 2 raid arrays of 12 each
2023 [13:44:01] <sypher> pvdp: Stretch doesn't need a separate /boot, so you know, so that's additional complexity you don't need. Second, where did you install GRUB?
2024 [13:44:32] <pvdp> Ok, didn't know that. I installed it on the 1st disk of the array
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2026 [13:44:44] <sypher> pvdp: How large is each disk?
2027 [13:45:07] <pvdp> 1TB each, partitioned in 100M for /boot and rest for root
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2029 [13:46:25] <sypher> pvdp: And when you say GRUB doesn't work, what exactly is happening?
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2031 [13:46:54] <pvdp> Once it reboots (RAID6+LVM) it just can't find the disk
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2033 [13:47:20] <pvdp> It shows some disk uuid and that's it.
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2035 [13:47:25] <sypher> I'm looking for specific messages.
2036 [13:47:46] <sypher> So take a picture of the display or something, and post it.
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2039 [13:48:09] <pvdp> Ok, will do. I'll get back to you. Thx sypher
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2042 [13:50:01] <sypher> pvdp: I'm not seeing anything obviously "wrong" in your setup, which is why i need to see what you're getting.
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2046 [13:51:52] <pvdp> Yes, that's what I thought as well. Just wondering if I'm trying to do something that's not possible using the installer or if I'm to do something post installation to get it working.
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2049 [13:53:03] <pvdp> Confused is the word. Documentation on RAID+LVM installations is scarce + out-dated in most cases.
2050 [13:53:06] <sypher> pvdp: I've built multiple systems using $thatSameSetup and they all worked fine.
2051 [13:54:10] <sypher> pvdp: If I might suggest a simplification: Reinstall the system using a single partition on each disk, RAID them all together, use that RAID array as an LVM PV, build your stuff. When it asks where to install GRUB, select the "other disk" option, and enter every single disk in the array, space separated. "/dev/sda /dev/sdb /dev/sdc ..." etc.
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2053 [13:54:37] <sypher> pvdp: All on one line. That will allow your system to boot from -any- disk in the array, not just one.
2054 [13:55:22] <sypher> pvdp: Which filesystem are you using?
2055 [13:55:24] <pvdp> I see....I think that's the bit of crucial information I am looking for.
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2057 [13:55:32] <pvdp> ext4
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2065 [13:57:32] <pvdp> Ok, I'm going to give that a try. 1 array is cleaner to manage.
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2070 [13:59:23] <sypher> pvdp: What is this system being used for, anyway/
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2078 [14:03:43] <msiism> if a piece of software is to be included into the debian packagining system, but does not provide signed digest files for the original source, how does debian deal with that? is it at all a concern?
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2113 [14:16:59] <pvdp> sypher, using system mainly as backup / archive storage
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2116 [14:22:09] <cornel> Canucktux_, tried again and seems to be working. windows memory diagnostics found nothing wrong
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2124 [14:24:53] <jelly> pvdp, are you using raid1 for /boot or some other level
2125 [14:25:10] <pvdp> raid6
2126 [14:25:25] <jelly> I don't think grub understands that.
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2130 [14:25:29] <jelly> use raid1.
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2135 [14:27:10] <pvdp> sypher: any thoughts on the comment jelly just made?
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2140 [14:28:48] <jelly> if you use raid1 with metadata format 0.9 or 1.0 you can also use grub-legacy, with 0.9 even lilo if need be
2141 [14:29:22] <jelly> best ask #grub actually supported options
2142 [14:29:40] <pvdp> jelly: My understanding was that with grub2 a lot of these limitations where removed
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2195 [14:56:07] <TehRabbitt> hey, noticing i'm getting S/MIME encryption errors when using sendmail from Debian EXIM. Seems to only be an issue on Gmail though.
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2199 [14:56:16] <TehRabbitt> anyone know how to fix this so it doesn't keep showing a warning?
2200 [14:56:37] <TehRabbitt> (I am sending via a smarthost, being my exchange environment which is using TLS)
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2206 [14:57:30] <sypher> pvdp: I'm testing it now to see if I can reproduce any issues.
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2214 [15:01:00] <sypher> pvdp: No issues. Boots perfectly.
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2217 [15:01:14] <sypher> jelly: GRUB2 has been able to boot off of RAID5/6/10 since Jessie, I believe.
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2235 [15:08:15] <Ange7> hello all
2236 [15:08:33] <Ange7> someone can explain me why i can't write on my virtual machin in shared folder with KVM/QEMU on Debian ?
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2258 [15:18:51] <MikeWorth> Hi people, I've just tried to update all my packages and run into an error: "N: Ignoring file '50unattended-upgrades.ucf-dist' in directory '/etc/apt/apt.conf.d/' as it has an invalid filename extension
2259 [15:18:51] <MikeWorth> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)"
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2263 [15:20:15] <MikeWorth> I was initially asked if I wanted to keep my old modified config for unnattended-upgrades or overwrite it with a new one; I chose to keep the modified one (no idea what I've changed) but perhaps just accepting the new one might fix things. the problem is that I don't get the option any more, apt-get just fails with this error no matter what I try to do
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2277 [15:26:02] <petn-randall> MikeWorth: The first one is a harmless notice, and not related to the error you get. Can you paste the full output to replaced-url
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2279 [15:28:11] <MikeWorth> replaced-url
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2281 [15:29:32] <petn-randall> !bat
2282 [15:29:32] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
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2284 [15:29:48] <petn-randall> MikeWorth: Oh, can you also provide the other things above? ^^^
2285 [15:29:57] <petn-randall> 2+3 that is.
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2289 [15:30:13] <MikeWorth> command was "sudo apt-get upgrade > /tmp/upgrade_error"
2290 [15:30:36] <MikeWorth> mike@mike:~$ apt-cache policy unattended-upgrades
2291 [15:30:37] <MikeWorth> unattended-upgrades:
2292 [15:30:37] <MikeWorth> Installed: 0.93.1+nmu1
2293 [15:30:37] <MikeWorth> Candidate: 0.93.1+nmu1
2294 [15:30:37] <MikeWorth> Version table:
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2301 [15:31:33] <MikeWorth> replaced-url
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2303 [15:32:28] <MikeWorth> replaced-url
2304 [15:32:34] <petn-randall> thanks
2305 [15:35:09] <petn-randall> MikeWorth: It looks like you didn't completely upgrade to stretch. The reason apt is failing is because it can't (re)start the unattended-upgrades service. You can check that with 'service status unattended-upgrades'.
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2308 [15:36:47] <BluesKaj> what if he removed unattended upgrades altogether ?
2309 [15:37:20] <MikeWorth> yeah, looks like its throwing an error on "invalid argument"
2310 [15:37:26] <BluesKaj> I don't have it installed because it'
2311 [15:37:37] <BluesKaj> s pita
2312 [15:38:04] <MikeWorth> I don't know what it is or why it's installed tbh - it's an install from years ago that has been upgraded a few times over the years
2313 [15:38:20] <BluesKaj> constantly running after bootup and using up cpu
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2316 [15:39:23] <BluesKaj> I just update/upgrade everyday, so no need for it afaik
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2320 [15:40:35] <MikeWorth> so is it worth trying apt-get purge to get rid of it then if all goes to plan I can either re-install with default settings or not bother afterwards?
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2323 [15:41:29] <BluesKaj> MikeWorth, I haven't noticed any ill effects from removing it
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2327 [15:42:38] <MikeWorth> hmm, apt-get seems to be too broken to do that
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2332 [15:43:08] <BluesKaj> yeah you might have tpurge it o get rid of a bad config file iff you intend to reinstall it
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2338 [15:44:03] <MikeWorth> I tried "sudo apt-get purge unattended-upgrades" to no avail
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2345 [15:47:33] <BluesKaj> petn-randall, what if hee removes or purges apt with dpkg, then reinstalls apt with dpkg, would that work ?
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2352 [15:51:14] <BluesKaj> seems drastic, but it looks like your only option, MikeWorth
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2358 [15:52:46] <BluesKaj> MikeWorth, think purging apt with dpkg is the only way out of this
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2365 [15:55:40] <BluesKaj> hMikeWorth, I'd ask the question in google to see if there are any proper mehtods or procedures to do this
2366 [15:56:18] <MikeWorth> what about trying to purge unattended-upgrades with dpkg? I'm only familiar with purging via apt-get so maybe that could work?
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2371 [15:58:56] <BluesKaj> yeah MikeWorth it's worth a try, but if apt config files are broken then it may not make much difference
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2377 [16:00:48] <BluesKaj> MikeWorth, sudo dpkg -P unattended-upgrades
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2388 [16:08:59] <jelly> ,v unattended-upgrades
2389 [16:09:00] <judd> Package: unattended-upgrades on amd64 -- wheezy: 0.79.5+wheezy2; wheezy-security: 0.79.5+wheezy2; jessie-security: 0.83.3.2+deb8u1; jessie: 0.83.3.2+deb8u1; stretch: 0.93.1+nmu1; sid: 0.93.1+nmu1; buster: 0.93.1+nmu1
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2401 [16:12:47] <scarar> Has anyone have issues with Debian 9 (Stretch)?
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2403 [16:13:04] <mr__tea> scarar: what kind of issues?
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2406 [16:13:13] <mr__tea> with me the issue is mainly between the chair and the keyboard :)
2407 [16:13:22] <scarar> Upgrading from Deban 8
2408 [16:13:27] <scarar> Debian*
2409 [16:14:36] <scarar> Sometimes directories can't be read.
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2416 [16:15:46] <scarar> For example tor can't make the hidden service directory. Tried to set the chmod still nothing. I'm hoping I find some How-Tos on this issue.
2417 [16:16:03] <scarar> #flood
2418 [16:16:07] <MikeWorth> Success! Followed the advice here replaced-url
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2422 [16:17:49] <BluesKaj> MikeWorth, cool, so apt-get is working now?
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2426 [16:18:53] <scarar> It seems the .conf files are in different areas than in Deb. 9.
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2429 [16:19:10] <MikeWorth> yeah, although there are 737 packages not being upgraded because of muddled dependencies; possibly been like that a while (system has been a bit ignored for the last couple of years...)
2430 [16:19:52] <scarar> Maybe I'll wait few months and see if their are fixes.
2431 [16:20:14] <scarar> Right now using Deb. 8.
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2436 [16:23:24] <BluesKaj> MikeWorth, some users still like aptitude on debian, it also uses dpkg as all package managers do
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2438 [16:24:32] <abrotman> I don't know that it does, but I'd have to do more research
2439 [16:24:35] <BluesKaj> iirc, it's not advisable to mix aptitude and apt-get/apt use them exclusively
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2441 [16:25:15] <abrotman> judd: info libapt-pkg4.12
2442 [16:25:16] <judd> No package named 'libapt-pkg4.12' was found in stretch/amd64.
2443 [16:25:24] <abrotman> BluesKaj: please stop, that's not true
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2447 [16:25:51] <abrotman> judd: info libapt-pkg5.0
2448 [16:25:52] <judd> Package libapt-pkg5.0 (libs, important) in stretch/amd64: package management runtime library. Version: 1.4.6; Size: 894.2k; Installed: 3055k
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2451 [16:27:19] <BluesKaj> abrotman, I see, but i do recall being advised that very thing in Kubuntu, altho it was years ago
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2454 [16:28:12] <blaman> replaced-url
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2464 [16:35:58] <k_sze> If I understand correctly, the intel-microcode update will actually fix the Skylake/Kaby Lake HT bug on the CPU itself so that HT starts working correctly again on all OSs, right?
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2471 [16:37:26] <k_sze> and the fix would continue to be effective even if I install the CPU on another motherboard (assuming the absence of other hardware bugs).
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2473 [16:37:43] <__marioxcc> Hello.
2474 [16:37:44] <__marioxcc> What is the procedence of the hd-media initrd.gz and vmlinuz <replaced-url
2475 [16:37:45] <abrotman> BluesKaj: doesn't mean you need to pass it along a) years ago b) different distro
2476 [16:38:08] <abrotman> blaman: for which part of that?
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2478 [16:38:24] <abrotman> blaman: archive.debian.org ?
2479 [16:39:06] <BluesKaj> abrotman, was being cautious, that's all , didn't mean any harm
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2482 [16:40:01] <blaman> abrotman: there used to be packages for e.g. squeeze in there
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2521 [16:57:56] <trigcode> anyone familiar with SteamOS?
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2523 [16:58:07] <trigcode> based on Debian 8
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2527 [16:59:39] <jelly> !steamos
2528 [16:59:39] <dpkg> SteamOS is an operating system released by Valve as a gaming platform, based on Debian 7 "Wheezy". It is not supported in #debian, support is available in #steamOS on irc.freenode.net or at replaced-url
2529 [17:00:02] <trigcode> sorry, that channel is terrible though
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2540 [17:06:44] <eddd> hey, very dumb question. But I cannot find answer online. What are the packages ending with *-dev ?
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2546 [17:08:11] <tx> eddd, packages that usually contain the headers / code required to compile software
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2548 [17:08:35] <tx> headers for a libraries interface, I should say.
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2561 [17:10:36] <eddd> tx: ok, so -dev packages are only required when I plan to compile stuff myself? Or if I code that depends on some *.so, -dev might have it?
2562 [17:10:44] <eddd> I have code*
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2572 [17:14:34] <__marioxcc> eddd: I think the -dev packages are only required if you want to compile.
2573 [17:14:49] <__marioxcc> The .so and .a are in the "lib..." (without "-dev" at the end).
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2587 [17:18:27] <__marioxcc> Hello.
2588 [17:18:40] <__marioxcc> How do LXDE and XFCE compare? Both aim to be lightweight desktop environments.
2589 [17:18:49] <__marioxcc> What are the meaningful differences?
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2594 [17:19:44] <MrSelfDestruct> Look mostly, at least in my opinion. Slightly different features too
2595 [17:20:00] <eddd> thanks __marioxcc and tx.
2596 [17:20:37] <__marioxcc> MrSelfDestruct: what features?
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2607 [17:24:35] <BluesKaj> !aptitude
2608 [17:24:35] <dpkg> it has been said that aptitude is a terminal-based package manager that can be used in a command-line mode (aptitude install foo ; aptitude remove goo) as well as a text user interface mode (just run "aptitude"). Ask me about <why aptitude> <why not aptitude> <aptitude-fu> <aptitude docs> or see replaced-url
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2617 [17:28:13] <gtt> I don't have time to either provide or file a bug for the debian 9 slapd package, but dpkg-reconfigure slapd isn't working properly. The script is run, but the configurations provided aren't taking any effect
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2632 [17:33:24] <abrotman> blaman: you mean snapshot.debian.org ?
2633 [17:33:26] <abrotman> or .net
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2659 [17:39:42] <greycat> I upgraded my NFS server jessie->stretch and now my poor HP-UX box can't mount file systems from it correctly. :(
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2661 [17:40:06] <koollman> my first guess would be nfs version change
2662 [17:40:13] <koollman> (from 3 to 4)
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2664 [17:40:32] <greycat> So I tried rsync-ing one of the critical NFS shares to a squeeze box, tried manually mounting it onto HP-UX from squeeze, and it *still* isn't working right. I'm just stumped.
2665 [17:40:48] <koollman> greycat: any error messages ?
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2670 [17:42:01] <greycat> NFS server shows "authenticated mount request from ..." and it mounts manually, but then the client can't see any files below the first level of subdirectories. I am pretty much ready to just throw the HP-UX box in the scrap heap.
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2672 [17:42:17] <MrSelfDestruct> __marioxcc, I can't say for certain. I know there are some feature differences like the panels are different.
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2676 [17:43:40] <greycat> Meanwhile battling everything else that broke. "What do you mean I need a new ntp.conf?"
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2681 [17:44:51] <greycat> Stretch ntp.conf requires some new magic line to use "pool" directives, or else it just goes into an infinite "Soliciting pool server ..." loop.
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2689 [17:47:07] <greycat> Well, guess I need to move my email infrastructure over here to Debian next.
2690 [17:47:36] <__marioxcc> MrSelfDestruct: Ok.
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2692 [17:48:08] <__marioxcc> greycat: Use chrony.
2693 [17:48:23] <greycat> Not feeling like another major change right this moment.
2694 [17:49:09] <__marioxcc> greycat: So are you saying that you upgraded and a lot of things broke?
2695 [17:49:59] <greycat> My entire 15 year long desktop infrastructure (mostly email) has been on that HP-UX box. And now it can't run mutt. Or bash. Or anything else that I compiled with the gcc that lives on the NFS server that it can't *correctly* access now.
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2697 [17:50:54] <__marioxcc> Why was your "desktop infrastructure" so complex?
2698 [17:51:18] <greycat> JUst stop. Please. Just let me do things.
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2700 [17:51:23] <__marioxcc> Don't you have everything regarding e-mail in ~/.thunderbird?
2701 [17:51:32] <greycat> Now you are just trolling.
2702 [17:52:28] <__marioxcc> No. That is how I do it.
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2704 [17:52:52] <__marioxcc> :|
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2707 [17:53:31] <greycat> Local mail delivery INTO my ~/Maildir/ ON the HP-UX box. Reading with mutt.
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2709 [17:53:57] <__marioxcc> Ok.
2710 [17:54:13] <__marioxcc> What is the benefit of such a complex setup? It's a serious question.
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2714 [17:55:57] <greycat> It's the opposite of complex. It's simple. It's how everything was always done.
2715 [17:56:40] <__marioxcc> Yes, I know, but the components are separate (mail delivery separate from reading). Now mail clients with everything integrated is more common.
2716 [17:56:53] <__marioxcc> I think it's better because there are less things that can fail when components are tightly integrated.
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2718 [17:57:00] <greycat> I have to get the email over here. Please. Just LET ME WORK.
2719 [17:57:26] <__marioxcc> Ugh, sorry. I did not know that I was disturbing you.
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2721 [17:57:37] <__marioxcc> Good luck.
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2733 [18:01:09] <Canucktux_> cornel: so it installed‽
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2758 [18:07:39] <john_rambo> I want to create a zip file. When I right click on the folder and click "create archive" I get >> Failed to create archive. No suitable archive manager found.
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2760 [18:08:11] <john_rambo> Which package should I install ?
2761 [18:08:26] <spacebug^> apt-get install zip
2762 [18:08:29] <spacebug^> i think
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2765 [18:09:22] <john_rambo> spacebug^, Installed but same thing
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2767 [18:09:59] <spacebug^> john_rambo: I have zip, unzip, bzip2, gzip and p7zip installed
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2772 [18:11:04] <spacebug^> john_rambo: what archive option do you choose ?
2773 [18:11:15] <john_rambo> spacebug^, There must be a package for the archive manager gui
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2775 [18:11:50] <spacebug^> john_rambo: you don't even the the window with option to choose archive format?
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2778 [18:12:05] <spacebug^> what DE are you on btw.. I asumed GNOME, sorry about htat
2779 [18:12:05] <john_rambo> spacebug^, Yes
2780 [18:12:17] <john_rambo> spacebug^, XFCE
2781 [18:12:20] <spacebug^> ah ok
2782 [18:12:52] <spacebug^> then it's probalby another matter. Don't know then, sorry.
2783 [18:12:58] <john_rambo> Okay
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2786 [18:13:27] <spacebug^> john_rambo: replaced-url
2787 [18:13:31] <spacebug^> could that be it?
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2790 [18:13:56] <spacebug^> but for stretch of course..
2791 [18:13:56] <john_rambo> spacebug^, Found it its called "file-roller"
2792 [18:13:59] <spacebug^> ah ok
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2795 [18:14:48] <spacebug^> john_rambo: hum, file-roller seems to be a archive for GNOME..
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2797 [18:14:57] <spacebug^> but maybe XFCE uses that.. not sure
2798 [18:15:01] <oerheks> johwhere exactly do you want to make a zip? outside your home folder?
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2800 [18:15:37] <john_rambo> Inside my home folder
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2827 [18:27:55] <edju> Running Jessie and network-manager-gnome. I cannot connect wireless. I click on my SSID and nothing happens. If I click on some neighbor's - not pwd protected - I get a connection. Any tips?
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2836 [18:31:35] <dury> hi there channel :-)
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2839 [18:32:06] <Canucktux_> welcome dury !
2840 [18:32:11] <dury> jeeessuuus can't add keying for spotify
2841 [18:32:23] <dury> keyring sorry
2842 [18:32:45] <dury> says add your text ... that's new for me
2843 [18:32:52] <dury> how can
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2847 [18:33:59] <dury> how spotify in stretch then
2848 [18:34:23] <dury> can someone drive me please?
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2877 [18:44:57] <LtL> dury: i just logged in to spotify, no issues.
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2904 [19:00:52] <dury> Ltl, how did you do that?
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2906 [19:02:00] <dury> Ltl, how did you install on stretch,? jeeesuuuuss
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2908 [19:02:43] <LtL> dury: i use the free version, it works with my browser and my phone (firefox). you dont install anything, maybe if you use premium, then i couldn't say.
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2913 [19:03:46] <LtL> dury: correction, i did install the app on my phone.
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2915 [19:04:14] <eimis> how do i do 'checkinstall -j4' as in 'make -j4'?
2916 [19:04:17] <dury> Ltl, what about on stretch
2917 [19:04:48] <LtL> dury: i am on stretch, it has nothing to do with stretch.
2918 [19:05:52] <dury> Ltl, well tell me the procedure to install in debian stretch, then
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2920 [19:06:23] <LtL> dury: i did not install anything on stretch
2921 [19:06:27] <Epx998> Is there a how-to on adding an updated kernel to a netboot initrd.gz image? I seem to be doing it incorrectly.
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2923 [19:07:20] <dury> Ltl, just through the browser then?
2924 [19:07:20] <__marioxcc> Epx998: The kernel is vmlinuz. initrd.gz is the contents that are mounted at a ram filesystem at /
2925 [19:07:32] <__marioxcc> Also, ask in #debian-boot in OFTC.
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2929 [19:08:49] <Epx998> __marioxcc: I've found documents on updating the initrd.gz, but nothing covers the vmlinuz that i've found.
2930 [19:08:57] <LtL> dury: ok, it seems you need to install their client, but i'm not going to do that. i'll just use my phone
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2934 [19:10:13] <__marioxcc> Epx998: Well, then you have to figure how to do that, because vmlinuz is the kernel.
2935 [19:10:13] <dury> Ltl, all right mate, which phone do u use? iphone, android ...
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2944 [19:10:31] <__marioxcc> Ask in #debianb-boot in OFTC.
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2950 [19:12:35] <dury> I've got problems after adding keyring, that's => gpg: Go ahead and type your message ..
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2953 [19:13:28] <dury> in spotify
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2955 [19:13:50] <LtL> dury: you are typing something wrong, that message is for writing a encrypted message
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2957 [19:14:21] <dury> is there an explanation how to do in stretch
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2962 [19:15:20] <LtL> dury: in a terminal type 'gpg --list-keys' do you see the key you were try to import
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2964 [19:15:46] <dury> Ltl, ok one sec
2965 [19:15:59] <LtL> dury: it may be on root's keyring, so be root
2966 [19:15:59] <eimis> $ export MAKEFLAGS="-j4"; checkinstall #uses 4 cpu cores....
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2973 [19:19:06] <LtL> dury: the 'adv' option is a bad idea according to the man page for apt-key, i don't know why they ask you to use it.
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2978 [19:20:54] <LtL> dury: the key is valid though, i checked
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2985 [19:22:00] <dury> Ltl, ok, tell me the steps to follow, steady, steady please
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2988 [19:22:22] <dury> Ltl, first?
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2991 [19:23:26] <LtL> dury: exactly as it says, replaced-url
2992 [19:24:01] <dury> Ltl, default key in gpg.conf = 621CC013
2993 [19:24:12] <LtL> dury: if you are outside the USA then bets are off
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2996 [19:24:57] <dury> I'm outside usa ltl
2997 [19:25:21] <LtL> dury: that is not spotify's key
2998 [19:25:49] <LtL> dury: stay away from gpg.conf
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3000 [19:26:21] <dury> Ltl, apt-key adv --keyserver hkp://keyserver.ubuntu.com:80 --recv-keys BBEBDCB318AD50EC6865090613B00F1FD2C19886
3001 [19:26:39] <LtL> dury: replaced-url
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3003 [19:27:12] <LtL> dury: that is the key lookup, its good but its likely USA only for listening
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3007 [19:27:33] <dury> Ltl, so what should I type in terminal then
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3009 [19:28:13] <LtL> dury: why bother, i highly doubt they stream outside the US
3010 [19:28:44] <LtL> dury: and its says what to type if you insist.
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3015 [19:30:03] <LtL> dury: you need sudo in front of that command also.
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3019 [19:30:48] <dury> Ltl, I'm as root right now
3020 [19:31:02] <LtL> dury: dury then skip sudo
3021 [19:31:25] <dury> Ltl, ok, done
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3023 [19:31:59] <LtL> dury: third party repo's are wicked dangerous, you are on your own
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3025 [19:32:28] <dury> Ltl, yeap
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3031 [19:34:21] <dury> Ltl, so no way to install spotify in stretch though
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3034 [19:34:36] <dury> Ltl, or what?
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3037 [19:34:51] <LtL> dury: it *might* work, i can't say
3038 [19:34:57] <dury> Ltl, did in Jessie
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3040 [19:35:22] <LtL> dury: again, i doubt they stream outside the US., end of story. try it
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3048 [19:37:08] <LtL> dury: to be clear, i cant stream from my browser, thought i could but no, and i'm not installing the client, good luck.
3049 [19:37:32] <jellycode> Can anyone tell me how "Dir::Etc::sourcelist" works in the following: sudo apt-get update -o Dir::Etc::sourcelist="sources.list.d/myrepo.list" \
3050 [19:37:32] <jellycode> -o Dir::Etc::sourceparts="-" -o APT::Get::List-Cleanup="0"
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3052 [19:38:33] <jellycode> not familiar with the :: syntax
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3061 [19:42:14] <warp0x00> how do i get an old package version
3062 [19:43:11] <Canucktux_> warp0x00: what package?
3063 [19:43:38] <Epx998> aha progress
3064 [19:43:42] <warp0x00> linux-image-4.9.0 but before -1
3065 [19:44:01] <Epx998> just stole vmlinuz from an server with the kernel i want on my netboot deploy
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3087 [19:54:19] <braingain> any recommendation on an rss reader
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3090 [19:55:33] <braingain> where can i get an alarm on version updates like stretch?
3091 [19:55:53] <warp0x00> i found it on snapshot archive
3092 [19:55:56] <kaboutur> rss-> liferea? if you like ncurses
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3106 [20:00:15] <th0r> after upgrading to Debian9 I lost the xfce4-mixer panel applet. Synaptic says it is no longer available. Short of compiling from source, is there a way for me to regain the xfce4 volume control?
3107 [20:00:45] <braingain> warp0x00 great way! kaboutur yes good choices i was thinking of a client-server infrastructure so i stay synced on all devices
3108 [20:00:50] <braingain> dont read same twice
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3110 [20:01:26] <dury> where is main menu in stretch
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3113 [20:01:47] <braingain> th0r: get the .deb see if it fits?
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3115 [20:01:59] <dury> or it has another name
3116 [20:02:12] <dury> replaced-url
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3119 [20:03:20] <th0r> braingain: xfce4-mixer is not in the repos, and it doesn't show up in a search of packages.debian.org. Do you know of another source for the .deb?
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3123 [20:05:27] <dury> main menu items in stretch where is it or it changed or what
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3125 [20:06:24] <braingain> th0r: packages.debian.org/jessie/xfce4-mixer
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3128 [20:06:44] <braingain> no version bump without minor consequences
3129 [20:07:23] <dury> jessuss
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3131 [20:07:28] <LtL> dury: depends on your DE i assume, in gnome hover over the top left corner of the desktop or press the 'win' key
3132 [20:07:29] <Canucktux_> th0r: also xfce4-pulseaudio-plugin
3133 [20:08:13] <th0r> Canucktux_: I removed pulse. I would bet the same whizbang who decided systemd was a good idea decided to force pulse down our throats.
3134 [20:08:20] <dury> Ltl, it's not that though
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3137 [20:09:23] <braingain> th0r replaced-url
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3139 [20:09:47] <th0r> braingain: I am just giving devuan a bit more time to settle before i make the move.
3140 [20:10:10] <LtL> dury: did you install the client? type 'whereis spotify-client' or whereis spotify in a shell and execute with a '&' to background it.
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3145 [20:10:30] <warp0x00> oh boy this is going to be a heck of a bug report
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3147 [20:11:11] <th0r> braingain: just tried to dpkg the jessie deb. It failed with a number of package version errors, which may not have hurt. But the mixer doesn't get configured and doesn't show up in the panel settings
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3150 [20:12:01] <braingain> then you can wait for stable to be stabler for you, build it yourself or switch to devuan :)
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3156 [20:13:04] <th0r> braingain: I am in the process of fetching the source. It is unfortunate. I have run debian for about 25 years. I run it so upgrades will not make things I depend on fail (xfce4-mixer) or replace them with bleeding edge crap (systemd/pulse)
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3158 [20:13:27] <greycat> Debian has not existed for 25 years.
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3160 [20:13:42] <dury> Ltl, after typing whereis spotify-client says spotify-client: that's all
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3165 [20:14:34] <dury> Ltl, execute with what?
3166 [20:14:37] <LtL> dury: type the complete path, append with a space and '&' it should launch
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3168 [20:14:56] <LtL> dury: no path?
3169 [20:14:58] <dury> Ltl, tell me the exact command please
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3172 [20:15:24] <LtL> dury: its a ubuntu package, so... cant really help you
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3175 [20:15:32] <th0r> greycat: funny, I was running it when I got laid off in 2001. guess that is only 16-17, give or take
3176 [20:15:35] <greycat> The first post-1.x release was in 1996, so 21 years.
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3178 [20:15:54] <sypher> dury: It might be more helpful for you to research "how to run tasks in the background on Linux" rather than asking for an isolated and specific answer.
3179 [20:16:19] <LtL> dury: spotify-client & and smash enter.
3180 [20:17:10] <warp0x00> how do i report a bug with multiple source packages involved
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3182 [20:17:37] <sopwerdna> so, i'm trying to troubleshoot a wifi driver
3183 [20:17:43] <dury> Ltl, sypher did that guys got this [1] 10705 not as root
3184 [20:17:46] <sopwerdna> i have a new laptop with an atheros card
3185 [20:17:46] <FinalX> heh, poettering. if you have a unit-file with a User=xxx and xxx isn't an existing user, the application is run as root instead.
3186 [20:17:52] <FinalX> and he just closed the bug report :p
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3190 [20:18:20] <sopwerdna> FinalX: seriously?!
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3193 [20:18:36] <sopwerdna> that's why once i get wifi working i'm gonna replace systemd with openrc if i can figure it out lol
3194 [20:18:42] <LtL> dury: are you root? you should not be
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3197 [20:18:52] <greycat> !sysvinit stretch
3198 [20:18:57] <greycat> !stretch sysvinit
3199 [20:18:58] <dpkg> To replace systemd with sysvinit in stretch, simply "apt-get install sysvinit-core" and reboot. To switch from systemd to runit, "apt-get install runit-systemd", reboot, "apt-get install runit-init", and reboot again.
3200 [20:19:23] <greycat> I've not yet seen a cofirmed working recipe for openrc.
3201 [20:19:23] <dury> Ltl, not root friend, I'm sure
3202 [20:19:33] <sopwerdna> wait greycat is it really that simple? i was under the impression it was a lot more complicated
3203 [20:19:46] <dury> smash that under not root though
3204 [20:19:48] <sopwerdna> oh you just mean sysvinit
3205 [20:20:00] <LtL> dury: ubuntu package, not supported here friend.
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3208 [20:20:03] <greycat> The factoid shows how to choose either sysvinit or runit.
3209 [20:20:16] <FinalX> sopwerdna: yeah, not kidding lol
3210 [20:20:26] <dury> Ltl, nevermind though
3211 [20:20:30] <sopwerdna> if i install sysvinit-core what takes over for all the other weird stuff systemd was handling
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3215 [20:20:38] <dury> I don't care though
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3220 [20:21:02] <dury> debian is great absolutely
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3223 [20:21:35] <snkcld> i noticed that the debian installkernel script uses /etc/kernel/postinst.d, how do i get it to also use /usr/lib/kernel/ for the the postinst.d directory?
3224 [20:22:08] <dury> even with that I care about debian for sure
3225 [20:23:00] <FinalX> sopwerdna: it's a bit more nuanced, I suppose, see replaced-url
3226 [20:23:10] <FinalX> just create a unit file with User=0day and it runs as root :P
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3230 [20:23:28] <dury> Ltl, what about Skype
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3233 [20:23:57] <LtL> dury: i don't do skype, you could try google
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3236 [20:24:39] <dury> Ltl, I mean Install in stretch
3237 [20:25:05] <LtL> dury: replaced-url
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3239 [20:25:16] <dury> It's got keyring problems as well, though
3240 [20:25:29] <greycat> If it's not on the wiki page, we probably don't know either.
3241 [20:25:38] <greycat> see also /msg dpkg skype
3242 [20:25:38] <sopwerdna> i just don't see how something ending up as root that wasn't supposed to be root isn't a major drop-everything kind of bug
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3245 [20:27:23] <LtL> dury: do you have gnupg installed? not sure if it matters but probably does.
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3248 [20:29:08] <dury> after install skype through downloading their .deb package. if you do apt update there is a line concerning skype though
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3250 [20:29:26] <dury> no public key
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3252 [20:30:00] <LtL> dury: skype is a .deb you just sudo dpkg -i whatever.deb
3253 [20:30:44] <dury> Ltl, you can also do that as root too
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3255 [20:31:35] <LtL> dury: dont worry about that warning, expect it and yes you need root to dpkg -i *anything.deb
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3259 [20:33:19] <dury> Ltl, I like clean lines on terminal without warnings, see?
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3261 [20:33:33] <LtL> dury: i could be wrong, stretch has changed many things but i don't recall reading about it in apt-listchanges
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3263 [20:33:51] <LtL> dury: yes i see
3264 [20:33:58] <greycat> If you like clean things, you wouldn't be using skype.
3265 [20:34:17] * LtL nods
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3267 [20:34:38] <LtL> or spotify
3268 [20:35:02] <dury> hahaha haha good on ya guys
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3272 [20:35:38] <dury> I've removed Skype
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3275 [20:36:06] <dury> in jessie it worked
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3277 [20:36:22] <dury> nevermind in stretch though
3278 [20:38:03] <dury> I'm happy that in stretch my graphic card driver works, though
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3293 [20:41:49] <dury> Ltl, greycat, thanks indeed for helping me, really appreciate it
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3306 [20:50:02] <tharkun> hmmm, the naming convention for nics has changed. How do I know which nic is my wireless card?
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3310 [20:51:07] <Canucktux_> tharkun: try running "sudo iwconfig"
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3313 [20:51:15] <mtn> if it starts with a w, it is wifi
3314 [20:51:22] <Canucktux_> ^^
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3317 [20:52:19] <warp0x00> debian bug system process my email faster
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3320 [20:53:06] <greycat> The human responses will be even slower than the automated part of the BTS, so be patient.
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3327 [20:55:11] <bigredradio> I plan to install stretch soon, but for someone who has already, is dracut installed by default?
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3330 [20:55:19] <tharkun> Canucktux_: Thanks iwconfig did the trick :)
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3332 [20:55:36] <greycat> dracut is priority optional, so... no
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3334 [20:55:52] <bigredradio> greycat, thanks
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3343 [21:00:32] <sopwerdna> can anybody help me find a piece of firmware for a wifi card? it's an atheros qca6174, dmesg has errors about not being able to find two binary firmware blobs named pre-cal-pci* and pre-cal*, neither of those files were anywhere in the firmware-atheros package in the nonfree repository
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3346 [21:00:49] <greycat> ,file pre-cal-pci
3347 [21:00:53] <judd> No packages in stretch/amd64 were found with that file.
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3352 [21:01:45] <greycat> If you have the exact file name, you can probably search google for it.
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3355 [21:02:14] <sopwerdna> i do, all i've found is lots of people saying they're getting the same errors in dmesg, but their cards work and mine doesn't seem to
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3370 [21:07:41] <greycat> Can you get the PCI ID from lspci -nn?
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3383 [21:10:37] <sopwerdna> greycat: the relevant line is "02:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Qualcomm Atheros QCA6174 802.11ac Wireless Network Adapter [168c:003e] (rev 32)"
3384 [21:10:46] <sopwerdna> i'm not sure which of those is the pci id honestly
3385 [21:10:49] <greycat> ,pciid 168c:003e
3386 [21:10:50] <judd> [168c:003e] is 'QCA6174 802.11ac Wireless Network Adapter' from 'Qualcomm Atheros' with no known kernel module in jessie or in sid. See also replaced-url
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3389 [21:11:57] <sopwerdna> hm, does that mean it's not supported at all? or just that that website doesn't know about it?
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3395 [21:14:15] <greycat> I found an ubuntu post about it: replaced-url
3396 [21:14:23] <greycat> I have *no* idea whether that would apply to Debian
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3402 [21:15:38] <sopwerdna> ah thank you! i'll see what i can get out of that
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3407 [21:16:10] <dury> greycat, can you?
3408 [21:16:29] <dury> assist me, please
3409 [21:16:58] <greycat> Only if you ask a question, and then only if I have an answer for that particular question.
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3412 [21:17:26] <dury> want to startup xscreensaver when I switch on the computer
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3414 [21:17:51] <dury> is installed already
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3422 [21:18:54] <greycat> You mean when you login, right? Not literally when you turn on power?
3423 [21:19:07] <dury> in tweak can add application but can't find
3424 [21:19:22] <greycat> Oh, you are asking some Desktop Environment thing. I can't help with that.
3425 [21:19:24] <dury> yeah when I login
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3427 [21:19:44] <dury> all right
3428 [21:19:50] <greycat> Outside of DE rubbish, I would add the command you want to run (with & if it doesn't self-background) to ~/.xsessionrc
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3437 [21:22:00] <mentor> Does anyone have any clue regarding how to set up softhsm2 for opendnssec?
3438 [21:22:57] <sealsniper> sopwerdna: jessie or stretch ?
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3441 [21:24:08] <rawf> this is killing me. theres a 4 second delay for a TTY to activate, does anyone know why?
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3446 [21:25:01] <greycat> What release of Debian, what DE/WM are you using if any, what kind of TTY are you trying to activate, what command do you run, or what keystroke combo do you press?
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3449 [21:25:27] <rawf> greycat: this is new in Debian Stretch. I'm trying to login to a stock TTY
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3451 [21:25:47] <greycat> Console only, X not installed? You press Ctrl-Alt-F2 and then what?
3452 [21:25:53] <rawf> correct
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3454 [21:26:01] <rawf> 1: login; 2: exit; 3: wait for 4 seconds before can login again
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3458 [21:26:14] <greycat> I have X installed, run fvwm, and Ctrl-Alt-F2 (F3 etc.) is instantaneous.
3459 [21:26:31] <sopwerdna> oh sealsniper this is stretch
3460 [21:26:41] <greycat> Oh, not Ctrl-Alt-F2. You're saying it's a delay at logout.
3461 [21:26:50] <mentor> rawf, You mean, it takes 4 seconds for the getty to respawn or otherwise?
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3465 [21:26:56] <rawf> mentor: yes!
3466 [21:26:58] <rawf> it is killing me
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3468 [21:27:12] <greycat> Well... I don't have a logout delay either.
3469 [21:27:26] <sealsniper> sopwerdna: try lspci -k
3470 [21:27:27] <greycat> Did put something in ~/.bash_logout by chance?
3471 [21:27:49] <rawf> hrm. its the getty respawn time in debian stretch i386
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3473 [21:28:10] <greycat> How do you know that? How do you know it's not a shell command being executed at logout?
3474 [21:28:32] <rawf> this is a fresh install of debian stretch
3475 [21:28:38] <rawf> its been happening ever since my first login
3476 [21:28:55] <greycat> "And I ran cat ~/.bash_logout and it said ____"
3477 [21:29:04] <mentor> rawf, Is agetty the getty being spawned?
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3479 [21:29:20] <rawf> greycat: file doesn't exist
3480 [21:29:21] <sopwerdna> sealsniper: it says kernel driver in use is ath10k_pci
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3482 [21:29:30] <rawf> mentor: yes
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3485 [21:30:19] <sopwerdna> sealsniper it almost sounds like it's working except that there's nothing in /dev and nothings there when i ip link show
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3489 [21:32:03] <sealsniper> sopwerdna: the revision number seems to be 3.2, which is not listed in the supported devices pages of firmware-atheros package
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3497 [21:33:15] <sealsniper> supported devices page
3498 [21:33:17] <sealsniper> **
3499 [21:33:28] <mentor> rawf, Well, agetty has a delay option, but I'm not seeing it enabled by default
3500 [21:33:35] <greycat> rawf: anything interesting in sudo journalctl | grep -i getty ?
3501 [21:33:53] <mentor> rawf, My other guess would timing out localhost dns requests
3502 [21:34:01] <mentor> rawf, No further clue
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3508 [21:35:37] <rawf> greycat: getty is being stopped/started on the same second, so the delay seems to be during the startup
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3513 [21:36:17] <sealsniper> sopwerdna: i'm not sure
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3515 [21:37:34] <mentor> rawf, Definitely not the getty shutting down?
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3517 [21:37:38] <sopwerdna> yeah, only 3.0... could be i'm just out of luck
3518 [21:38:12] <sealsniper> sopwerdna: the ubuntu bug report seems to refer to the same device you are using
3519 [21:38:29] <sopwerdna> yeah
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3521 [21:39:07] <rawf> mentor: correct, the following lines show up as soon as I logout
3522 [21:39:19] <mentor> OK
3523 [21:39:31] <rawf> replaced-url
3524 [21:39:32] <sopwerdna> i mean in the bug report it says it's working with firmware-4 from the hw3.0 folder
3525 [21:39:39] <sopwerdna> i think that's what i have
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3528 [21:41:07] <sealsniper> sopwerdna: could you show that dmesg line ?:
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3534 [21:43:15] <sopwerdna> sealsniper: ok so, i'm not gonna type the whole thing out because i can't copy paste but the message is "direct firmware load for ath10k/pre-cal-pci-0000:02:00.0.bin failed" and then it says it's error -2 in the next line
3535 [21:43:44] <sopwerdna> and then it has the exact same message for "cal-pci"
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3555 [21:51:43] <sealsniper> have you tried to steps described in the ubuntu page ?
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3558 [21:53:41] <sopwerdna> sealsniper: i think i've pretty much done everything described on the page. the only difference is that i got it from the debian nonfree repository on a flash drive
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3561 [21:54:12] <sopwerdna> now that i'm thinking about it, maybe that kvalo git repo is different... i'm going to try deleting what i have and replacing it with the files from kvalo
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3567 [21:55:22] <sealsniper> it could be newer
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3581 [21:58:19] <sopwerdna> sealsniper, do u know what it would be called in /dev if it was working? i think there are a few more entries in /dev than there were last time i checked
3582 [21:58:43] <sopwerdna> i don't see a wlan0 but i recall seeing some other name used for the wifi card in a few places
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3585 [21:59:14] <sealsniper> use ip link
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3587 [21:59:25] <sopwerdna> oh yeah
3588 [21:59:32] <sopwerdna> nope, nothing. just loopback
3589 [21:59:48] <sealsniper> even after reboot ?
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3593 [22:01:04] <sopwerdna> oh no lemme reboot
3594 [22:01:09] <sopwerdna> i reloaded ath10k
3595 [22:01:56] <sopwerdna> yup after a reboot still just loopback
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3603 [22:04:11] <sopwerdna> it's an m.2 2230 card according to qualcomm's website, i'm just gonna start looking for a replacement... intel ones have good drivers right?
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3605 [22:05:08] <sealsniper> i think you should fill a bug report
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3611 [22:06:18] <sealsniper> and try to stick to wireless n devices
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3613 [22:07:02] <kion> is there such a thing as a debian lxde iso image?
3614 [22:07:10] <kion> I just cant find it on the downloads page
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3618 [22:08:33] <pie3> is it possible to create two parallel sessions in linux? i want to turn on and off wifi for testing and at the same time i also dont want to loose my internet connectivty; how it is possible?
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3623 [22:09:45] <|DM|> I've got a weird issue when I try to run startx on two different ttys with the same user
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3626 [22:10:24] <|DM|> it shows a blacks screen, then throws an error saying 'could not aquire name on session bus`
3627 [22:10:39] <|DM|> there seems to be some sort of solution found on arch forums, but the link is dead
3628 [22:10:48] <|DM|> and I can't figure out how to solve this, or even what's causing it
3629 [22:10:52] <|DM|> cinnamon desktop
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3645 [22:19:15] <lpancescu> pie3, you could use both wifi and a LAN cable at the same time
3646 [22:20:18] <xcin> Hi everyone can someone help me because I have a potential linux emergency maybe
3647 [22:20:24] <xcin> HexChat: 2.10.1 ** OS: Linux 3.16.0-4-amd64 x86_64 ** Distro: Debian 8.7 ** CPU: 4 x Intel(R) Core(TM) i3-3110M CPU @ 2.40GHz (GenuineIntel) @ 1.62GHz ** RAM: Physical: 3.8GiB, 69.6% free ** Disk: Total: 222.2GiB, 7.2% free ** VGA: 8086:0166 ** Sound: HDA-Intel - HDA Intel PCH ** Ethernet: 1969:1090 ** Uptime: 15m 43s **
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3649 [22:21:11] <xcin> I was a dumbass and filled my home partition all the way and everything broke and I tried to reboot and got weird SATA bus errors and then went into recovery mode and deleted some shit to make space and now the computer boots but still with weird SATA errors and I have no idea what's going on
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3651 [22:21:24] <xcin> I have full disk encryption so is the best course of action just to shut the fucker down and immediately image it to a new hdd
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3658 [22:22:54] <pie3> i dont have lan lpancescu
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3662 [22:24:34] <lpancescu> then, if you turn wifi off, your internet connection will go away. an external wifi dongle or lan card (e.g. usb ones) might be an option
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3668 [22:27:10] <lpancescu> xcin, maybe a cable got loose or another hardware issue? how full a disk is should have no effect on SATA communication
3669 [22:27:49] <xcin> this is a laptop so I am uh, really sketch
3670 [22:27:56] <xcin> replaced-url
3671 [22:28:07] <xcin> this is the output for smartctl -a /dev/sda
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3673 [22:28:24] <msiism> the boot menu of debian installation cds usually has not included an option to directly abort/reboot/boot from the first hdd. has that changed with debian stretch? if not, are there plans to include such an option. i think it's very useful, especially for cases where you booted the installer accidentally.
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3677 [22:30:00] <lpancescu> . there are no errors in your log. but then i've yet to see a case when smart could actually detect problems ahead of time...
3678 [22:30:10] <lpancescu> xcin ^
3679 [22:30:31] <xcin> lpancescu, ty
3680 [22:30:48] <xcin> on the advice of some sages i have elected to COPY EVERYTHING TO EXTERNAL MEDIA RIGHT WAYS THE HELL NOW
3681 [22:30:59] <xcin> and then uh shut down and try to image the drive
3682 [22:31:40] <lpancescu> i would try to shut it down, give it time to cool down and try to boot again
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3685 [22:32:50] <lpancescu> xcin, the idea is to perform regular backups - all the time, not when you already have problems accessing the disk. hardware sometimes dies unexpectedly
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3695 [22:39:12] <negatratoron> hey, i'm having some difficulty sending emails from my PC...
3696 [22:39:38] <greycat> What MTA? Do local deliveries work?
3697 [22:40:02] <negatratoron> git send-email says "Result: OK" but there is no test email in my inbox
3698 [22:40:12] <negatratoron> Local deliveries do not appear to work.
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3704 [22:40:32] <greycat> If you took the defaults, you probably have exim4. Try dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config
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3706 [22:41:44] <sealsniper> sopwerdna: I don't think there are network interfaces in /dev
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3708 [22:41:56] <sealsniper> sopwerdna: sorry for the late answer.
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3711 [22:43:07] <xcin> i'm finding some bizarre stuff
3712 [22:43:09] <xcin> Jul 7 16:05:17 petrov kernel: [ 2.173052] ata1.00: exception Emask 0x10 SAct 0x1e000000 SErr 0x280100 action 0x6 frozen
3713 [22:43:09] <xcin> Jul 7 16:05:17 petrov kernel: [ 2.173103] ata1.00: irq_stat 0x08000000, interface fatal error
3714 [22:43:09] <xcin> Jul 7 16:05:17 petrov kernel: [ 2.173136] ata1: SError: { UnrecovData 10B8B BadCRC }
3715 [22:43:09] <xcin> Jul 7 16:05:17 petrov kernel: [ 2.173166] ata1.00: failed command: READ FPDMA QUEUED
3716 [22:43:09] <xcin> Jul 7 16:05:17 petrov kernel: [ 2.173198] ata1.00: cmd 60/80:c8:80:00:00/01:00:00:00:00/40 tag 25 ncq 196608 in
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3719 [22:43:23] <negatratoron> it used to work from my gentoo system... it seems very complicated
3720 [22:43:23] <xcin> oops
3721 [22:43:41] <greycat> Sounds like a dying hard disk at first glance. Looks? Sounds. Looks.
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3726 [22:44:08] <negatratoron> i'm on a network but not an internet site, i want to use git send-email to send patches
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3729 [22:45:13] <greycat> You probably have a "smart host" (relay) that you use to send outgoing mail. Perhaps provided by your ISP, or your employer, or some random Internet site.
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3733 [22:47:26] <lpancescu> xcin, i agree, your harddisk is probably failing
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3735 [22:48:10] <tw> xcin: I'd check smart. If smart says you're not getting many errors, check your cabling and your sata controller, maybe switch ports.
3736 [22:48:11] <xcin> ic
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3738 [22:48:35] <tw> smart doesn't rule out hdd failure, it just tries to report on it.
3739 [22:48:39] <xcin> tw: here's the output from smart replaced-url
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3743 [22:50:06] <xcin> I don't get it because this is a less than one year old SSD
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3751 [22:53:45] <tw> With no read or write errors detected, I'd definitely check your cabling to see if that helps. But you should automate your backups anyway.
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3757 [22:57:11] <lpancescu> tw, "Given the lack of occurrence of predictive SMART signals on a large fraction of failed drives, it is un-likely that an accurate predictive failure model can be built based on these signals alone"
3758 [22:57:26] <lpancescu> ^ replaced-url
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3773 [23:02:55] <CrowX-> How can I backup a lvm to a .raw file?
3774 [23:03:06] <CrowX-> is dd if=/dev/pve/vm-whatever of=file.raw going to work?
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3777 [23:04:19] <greycat> If that's an LV, then it should be just as valid as dd'ing a raw disk partition.
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3779 [23:05:10] <CrowX-> thanks
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3788 [23:07:42] <CrowX-> greycat, just to clarify, what you said means my command example will work, correct?
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3791 [23:07:57] <greycat> I don't know what you plan to *do* with the resulting file.
3792 [23:08:04] <CrowX-> i.e. in the future I'll be able to dd that raw file into an image and it should work, correct?
3793 [23:08:20] <CrowX-> I want to dd it back into a lvm after I reinstall the whole system
3794 [23:08:22] <greycat> If the place you copy it to is another disk partition of LV of appropriate size, sure.
3795 [23:08:28] <greycat> s/of/or/
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3798 [23:08:56] <greycat> I don't know why you're doing it at the raw level instead of the file level, though.
3799 [23:08:57] <CrowX-> yes, it will be a lvm of appropriate size.
3800 [23:09:16] <CrowX-> greycat, cause there's windows on it :)
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3804 [23:10:26] <mint> Just upgraded xorg in Debian Sid and how X cannot write to /tmp.
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3806 [23:10:51] <greycat> fix the perms on /tmp. should be 1777
3807 [23:10:55] <greycat> ls -ld /tmp
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3814 [23:11:54] <vlt> CrowX-: If you want to create a "raw" file of an lvm volume that is in use (by a file system, for example) you can take an lvm snapshot and then dd from that to your target file.
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3819 [23:13:04] <mint> $ ls -ld ./tmp
3820 [23:13:04] <mint> drwxrwxrwt 7 root root 40960 Jul 7 21:03 ./tmp
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3823 [23:13:16] <mint> That is what I get from /tmp
3824 [23:13:18] <greycat> why did you run it on ./tmp instead of /tmp
3825 [23:13:28] <mint> I'm on live usb.
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3827 [23:13:48] <greycat> Of MiNT, yeah? Hence your user name? Then go to a MiNT channel.
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3829 [23:13:53] <greycat> !mint
3830 [23:13:53] <dpkg> Linux Mint is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Please use their forums at replaced-url
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3832 [23:14:05] <greycat> or however you capitalize it nowadays
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3834 [23:14:20] <mint> My OS is Debian Sid, I'm using Mint to chat.
3835 [23:14:44] <mint> I use the mint terminal to get to debian /tmp
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3837 [23:14:53] <greycat> Well, you need to check the perms of /tmp in the place where /tmp is not writable, not in your Mint live CD.
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3839 [23:15:04] <greycat> And /tmp != ./tmp
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3841 [23:15:46] <mint> ./tmp means tmp in the current directory.
3842 [23:15:56] <greycat> Yes, which is different from /tmp
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3849 [23:18:35] <edju> Running Jessie and network-manager-gnome. I cannot connect to wireless. I click on my SSID and nothing happens. If I click on some neighbor's - not pwd protected - I get a connection. Any tips?
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3876 [23:27:13] <mono> So, I checked permissions on /tmp
3877 [23:27:15] <mono> drwxrwxrwt 10 root root 40960 Jul 7 16:20 /tmp
3878 [23:27:32] <mono> It was the same before and after chmod 1777
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3883 [23:28:31] <mono> Is there a way to downgrade xorg with apt cache?
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3890 [23:30:43] <pie3> what should be log ind etails for vbox os?
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3892 [23:31:23] <metax> no, once you upgraded you are gone
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3902 [23:33:36] <mono> xsession-errors says no space left on device, so it's probably not xorg that's my problem.
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3911 [23:35:14] <teraflops> mono: what are you trying to do and why are you doing it in a live usb?
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3920 [23:38:24] <mono> I am using the liveusb so I can check the internet for solutions.
3921 [23:38:49] <mono> X won't start because it seems installing a new kernel took up much more space than intended for some reason.
3922 [23:39:04] <negatratoron> strange stuff, turns out postfix wasn't actually running (even though /etc/init.d/postfix start said [ OK ])
3923 [23:39:06] <mono> in /usr/lib/debug
3924 [23:39:36] <negatratoron> /var/log/mail.log said port 25 was in use, so i ran netstat to find out what was using it, the answer was - (meaning the kernel was using it)
3925 [23:39:38] <teraflops> mono: internet for solutions for what?
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3927 [23:39:54] <negatratoron> so i rebooted, and all my test emails subsequently landed in my inbox :)
3928 [23:39:58] <negress> We need to impeach donald trump
3929 [23:40:16] <negress> his people took me off of welfare because i wont get a job but i tried to get a job
3930 [23:40:29] <negatratoron> no offense but email systems are great at saying OK when there's actually a problem
3931 [23:40:29] <negress> nobody wants to hire me when im on crack
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3935 [23:40:32] <teraflops> negress: keep on topic or go away
3936 [23:40:42] <bub_> haha..
3937 [23:40:49] <mono> After logging in the dekstop fails to show and I get a mesage saying X cannot write to /tmp. xsession-errors says no more space left on device. Baobab tells me /usr/lib/debug is full of something from a recent kernel.
3938 [23:40:50] <bub_> debian and welfare.. good luck
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3941 [23:41:23] <negatratoron> now, i'm never going to touch this email configuration again
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3944 [23:43:37] <mono> I installed kernel 4.12 because it has the drivers I need. Maybe the Torvalds tarball has debug stuff turned on.
3945 [23:44:44] <teraflops> mono: if you run out of space using a live cd, go grab more ram
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3949 [23:45:19] <mono> I am only using the live USB to access the internet and try to find a solution. The problem is with my Debian Sid installation.
3950 [23:45:29] <mono> Which is on my SSD.
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3953 [23:46:16] <teraflops> mono: the problem is with the live cd too, or so it seems
3954 [23:47:15] <mono> The livecd hasn't run out of space or refused to show the desktop. This is the Mint livecd. Are you referring to livecd bug reports?
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3957 [23:48:54] <mono> The ld -ld output I pasted earlier was from inside Debian, not from livecd.
3958 [23:49:00] <mono> ls -ld
3959 [23:49:06] <teraflops> mono: are you asking for support for a mint live cd here?
3960 [23:49:11] <mono> No.
3961 [23:49:22] <mono> I don't know what is confusing you.
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3963 [23:49:31] <teraflops> all of it
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3967 [23:49:52] <mono> I'm asking for help with a Debian problem, uae of the Mint live usb is just incidental.
3968 [23:50:04] <teraflops> ok
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3974 [23:53:08] <mono> So, xsession-errors says no space left on device, hence X no write to /tmp
3975 [23:53:24] <mono> Seem straightforward that I need to remove something to free up space.
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3988 [23:58:37] <mtn> mono, boot your debian install and run df -h in a terminal. that will tell you if your partitions are full or not
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3990 [23:58:59] <mono> Okay, thanks.
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