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3 [00:02:30] <nvz> ok so i have chvt to change terminal but is there a 1) way to tell which terminal is active from a script, 2)way to know which x is running on from script, and 3)display something like an xdialog over whatever is running on a terminal, like an osd for console
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23 [00:12:56] <lesik__> hey, I'm checking the "installed packages (manual)" in synaptics, but it contains lots of packages I definitely not installed myself, like lib*. is there a way I can list packages that I really actually typed "apt install x" for, exluding their dependencies?
24 [00:13:32] <lesik__> after having run this system for a while (since jessie), I would like to clean up a little. not that I lack the disk space to store some unused old software, it just feels like it needs some cleaning.
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32 [00:16:15] <Brigo> lesik__ you can get rid of unwanted packages with deborphan
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35 [00:16:47] <lesik__> brigo: no, please read again. deborphan is for orphaned packages.
36 [00:16:55] <lesik__> I have explicitly installed the packages.
37 [00:16:58] <lesik__> they are not orphaned.
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39 [00:17:30] <jmcnaught> lesik__: can you maybe show use "apt-cache policy PACKAGE" for a package that your talking about, in a paste?
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41 [00:17:53] <jmcnaught> it's likely that these are obsolete packages no longer included in Debian, but synaptic is funny
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45 [00:19:34] <Brigo> lesik__, debfoster then.
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47 [00:21:29] <lesik__> brigo: thanks, I will check that out. jmcnaught: no, there's load of them, I doubt they are obsolete. one example: replaced-url
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53 [00:25:20] <lesik__> maybe it's a little unclear what my problem is. I'll rephrase. during the years, I have often run the command `apt install x`. the package x pulled in other software (y). this is what I see in synaptic, I assume, both x and y. what I want to see, is only x, without y. why? because if I want to get rid of packages I once installed and now don't need, I go through the list and I see entries like "libpam-runtime", "libjpeg8", "libgdbm3". I don't
54 [00:25:22] <lesik__> know what software they belong to, why they were pulled in, etc. so in cleaning my system that list doesn't help much.
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56 [00:25:41] <lesik__> I am searching for a way to only show x, so that I can remove the source, not the symptoms (y).
57 [00:26:22] <lesik__> and surely libpam-runtime is some third-level dependency of task-xfce4-desktop or something, so it makes sense it shows up in "manually installed", because well, I did manually install task-xfce4-desktop.
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59 [00:26:49] <MarioMey1> Which is the "groupadd" Debian command?
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68 [00:30:08] <MarioMey1> Found it. I groupadd is for root.
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71 [00:31:07] <mutante> jmcnaught: thanks for that link earlier, got distracted
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73 [00:32:30] <Brigo> lesik__, i think debforster is the best solution for your issue, not perfect thought.
74 [00:32:53] <lesik__> brigo: ok, thank you :)
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78 [00:33:44] <Brigo> lesik__, np.
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83 [00:35:53] <blorpa> hi
84 [00:36:21] <blorpa> Can anyone confirm in debian /tmp has not an 'nosuid'
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100 [00:44:41] <lesik__> brigo: well, debforster is pretty dangerous. it is asking me whether I need linux-image-amd64 or cryptsetup. with those two of course it's easy to see they are needed, but with libmyfoobar-2.0-dev it's not as clear and it is very easy to remove something without which my computer won't boot again.
101 [00:45:00] <lesik__> more importantly, the packages I am being asked about are much, much more than those that I explicitly `apt install`ed
102 [00:45:08] <lesik__> which is what I wanted
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105 [00:46:02] <jelly> lesik__, no -dev packages should be needed for normal work
106 [00:46:06] <Brigo> lesik__, if unsure, don't remove it or search for information. apt show <package> should be enought.
107 [00:46:23] <lesik__> jelly: it was an example.
108 [00:46:26] <jelly> lesik__, deborphan is slightly less aggressive than debfoster
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110 [00:46:36] <lesik__> also, if your work is C development, yes they are needed for work :)
111 [00:46:56] <jelly> you can reinstall them later, and the machine won't stop booting
112 [00:47:25] <lesik__> brigo: that's the point. I know how to find information about packages, don't worry. but I am presented with a list of hundred or more packages, most of which _I did not manually install_
113 [00:47:30] <lesik__> which is what I am searching for
114 [00:47:43] <lesik__> something that scans apt/history.log and shows everything I installed manually
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116 [00:48:10] <lesik__> for each of those 100 packages, finding out what they are for, is a time-consuming task
117 [00:48:11] <Brigo> lesik__, no, it searchs the dependency tree
118 [00:48:32] <lesik__> no regarding to what statement of mine?
119 [00:48:33] <Brigo> lesik__, yes it is, but i can't see a better solution.
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121 [00:48:59] <Brigo> something that scans apt/history.log <-
122 [00:49:08] <jelly> apt and aptitude track which packages got installed manually, and which got pulled in as deps
123 [00:49:12] <lesik__> I said that is something I am searching for
124 [00:49:18] <Brigo> lesik__, i didn't get you, sorry.
125 [00:49:23] <jmcnaught> lesik__: oh sorry i misunderstood what it meant by manual. i also have a lot of packaged marked as manual that i didn't explicitly install. i think this is somehow related to tasksel and task packages
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127 [00:49:38] <lesik__> probably
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129 [00:50:05] <jelly> !aptitude-fu
130 [00:50:05] <dpkg> To list uninstalled recommended packages: aptitude search '~RBrecommends:~i!~i'; upgradeable packages: aptitude search '~U'; manually installed packages: aptitude search '~i!~M'; See also <obsolete> <not available> <bdo list> <dmm list> <which repo> <aptitude clone> <sort by size> <aptitude why> <aptitude search> <aptitude ops> <aptitude states>
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132 [00:51:12] <lesik__> aptitude search '~i!~M' shows exactly the same thing as synaptic I think
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134 [00:51:16] <jelly> yes
135 [00:51:24] <lesik__> so why do you suggest it then?
136 [00:51:28] <lesik__> there is still tons of libs I definitely did not manually install
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138 [00:52:08] <jelly> all of the base system that you got from debian-installer will be marked as manually installed
139 [00:52:50] <lesik__> am I the only one who thinks this should not be? I think debian-installer should mark some metapackage `base-system`, `task-desktop` and `task-mylanguage-desktop`
140 [00:52:56] <lesik__> and leave the rest to mark themselves automatically
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142 [00:53:28] <jelly> base system is an exception. Dependencies of tasks do get the automatically installed distinction
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144 [00:54:07] <Brigo> and i don't think you want to mess with base-system dependencies.
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147 [00:54:29] <lesik__> I am not trying to, I just don't want them to appear as manually installed
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149 [00:55:02] <jelly> after a couple release upgrades, if you're afraid of debfoster, you can try reseting most the lib* packages (but not lib*-bin or *utils or *tools) to automatically installed
150 [00:55:24] <jelly> this can be done with aptitude or apt-mark
151 [00:55:29] <lesik__> true, not a perfect solution though.
152 [00:55:41] <jelly> there is no perfect solution
153 [00:55:53] <lesik__> could somebody explain why it's not done the way I suggested?
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155 [00:56:09] <jelly> apt does not track _which_ package pulled in a specific dependency
156 [00:56:19] <Brigo> lesik__, maybe just for keep it in the safe side.
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158 [00:56:53] <jelly> so with time, any satisfied Suggests or Recommends keep autoinstalled packages installed
159 [00:57:09] <jmcnaught> it looks like a lot of the packages marked as manual are essential, or priorities standard, important, required. Here's an aptitude query that lists installed packages marked manual that are optional and extra priority: aptitude search '?and(?and(~i, !~M), ?or(~poptional, ~pextra))'
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161 [00:57:28] <jelly> I'm... not sure what makes them lose the auto marking, but it does seem that sometimes happens
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164 [00:58:16] <jmcnaught> on my system '~i!~M' returns 355 results, but the above query is 199
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167 [00:58:32] <lesik__> same, it got down from 500 to 300
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170 [00:59:26] <Penta1> Greetings! Is it possible to add consistent page numbering to a PDF, as described here, in Debian? replaced-url
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175 [01:00:54] <jmcnaught> Penta1: i'm pretty sure evince the default document viewer for GNOME does that
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177 [01:01:08] <jmcnaught> i would be surprised if okular did not as well
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180 [01:02:02] <jmcnaught> the javascript pdf viewer in firefox-esr does it too, lots of options
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182 [01:02:38] <lesik__> jmcnaught: it looks a lot better, most of the packages listed I did actually install manually. there are _some_ libs still in it, but maybe I did install them manually and don't remember it.
183 [01:02:40] <lesik__> thanks
184 [01:03:14] <lesik__> (imho this should be a built-in in aptitude, like `aptitude list-post-installed` or something. but maybe it's just me)
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186 [01:03:55] <Penta> Sorry, my PC crashed right after I sent my message
187 [01:04:04] <jelly> lesik__, file a Severity: wishlist bug, better if you provide patches!
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192 [01:05:22] <lesik__> jelly: but if I am the only one who seems to be interested in that, and in about 20 years of debian existence nobody thought of that this feature would be necessary...
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201 [01:06:52] <klaxa> hi, i installed debian 8 and i have an already encrypted /home partition, how do i tell it to use it?
202 [01:07:16] <jelly> lesik__, so you don't really need it, that's also okay
203 [01:07:17] <klaxa> i have my reasons for using debian 8 and not 9
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205 [01:07:31] <lesik__> jelly: why are you saying that?
206 [01:07:34] <jelly> klaxa, which OS had encrypted it?
207 [01:07:55] <klaxa> fedora
208 [01:08:00] <klaxa> it's luks
209 [01:08:06] <jelly> lesik__, because the way to tell Debian you want a feature, is filing a wishlist bug report
210 [01:08:28] <klaxa> luks inside lvm
211 [01:08:36] <lesik__> jelly: I am aware, thank you very much. as I mentioned multiple times now, I am simply asking myself whether I am the only one interested in that feature.
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214 [01:09:11] <jelly> klaxa, you can cryptsetup luksOpen ... the device manually.
215 [01:09:23] <klaxa> on... boot?
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219 [01:10:02] <klaxa> i copied the fstab line from my fedora install and it looks for the device, but it doesn't ask me to decrypt it
220 [01:10:16] <klaxa> and i can't really find any documentation on that on google
221 [01:10:19] <jelly> klaxa, if that works, you can add appropriate entries to /etc/crypttab and /etc/fstab and regenerate initramfs so that it includes new crypttab config
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224 [01:10:45] <jelly> ah, you already did fstab, good
225 [01:10:48] <klaxa> ah, that's what i was missing i think, thanks!
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228 [01:11:22] <jelly> man 5 crypttab
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230 [01:12:12] <klaxa> d'oh, well you learn something every day
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232 [01:12:23] <klaxa> can i regenerate the initramfs in a chroot?
233 [01:13:04] <jelly> yes, but may need to bind-mount /dev and /proc and /sys (actually just two of those but I don't remember which two)
234 [01:13:48] <jelly> update-initramfs
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239 [01:14:07] <jelly> dracut can be installed but is not default
240 [01:14:47] <dka> Hi, I have the following error : "Host key verification failed."
241 [01:14:57] <dka> It happen within a gitlab-ci docker container where I am trying to use ssh to deploy something
242 [01:15:03] <dka> is there a way to prevent it ?
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246 [01:16:03] <klaxa> should i create a new one or update the old one?
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250 [01:17:19] <klaxa> launchpad entry said -u, i'll reboot, fingers crossed
251 [01:17:30] <jelly> klaxa, have ot move the old one away if you choose to create a new on
252 [01:17:50] <jelly> usually used on initial installation of a kernel I guess
253 [01:17:55] <dka> when I view a file in VIM , what does mean ^M at the end of each line ? Is it normal ?
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256 [01:21:39] <jelly> means the file uses DOS/Windows line endings
257 [01:22:33] <jelly> I thought vim ought to figure that out automatically, unless maybe a file is mixing both dos (CR LF) and unix (just LF) line endings
258 [01:22:38] <dka> I have no windows since more than 10 years
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260 [01:22:49] <aguitel> me too
261 [01:22:51] <dka> it's completely impossible, it happened during a bash command, I created that file from bash
262 [01:23:05] <dka> does it matter if that file is ~/.ssh/id_rsa ?
263 [01:23:09] <dka> should I remove ^M?
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265 [01:23:41] <jelly> delete them with dos2unix, or tr -d '\r' < old > new, or I guess vim
266 [01:23:53] <klaxa> jelly: nice, everything working now, cheers :)
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268 [01:24:10] <dka> does it matter if that file is ~/.ssh/id_rsa ?
269 [01:24:35] <jelly> dka, does it otherwise look like text?
270 [01:24:43] <jelly> or is it binary crap
271 [01:24:50] <dka> it is a rsa key
272 [01:24:53] <dka> with line ending ^M
273 [01:24:58] <jelly> -----BEGIN RSA PRIVATE KEY-----
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275 [01:25:16] <jelly> ^^ text, PEM encoding, you may safely remove \r
276 [01:25:25] <dka> well
277 [01:25:31] <dka> I need to know how it happened first
278 [01:25:40] <dka> I am using a bash script that run this for me
279 [01:25:49] <dka> the bash script was made open and sublime text 3
280 [01:25:53] <jelly> it doesn't really matter if you leave it that way
281 [01:25:57] <dka> The line start with a tab
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283 [01:26:10] <dka> So it's not related to my errror "Host key verification failed. ?N
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285 [01:26:57] <jelly> host key is key on server side. ~/.ssh/id_rsa is private key part of your own client keypair
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290 [01:27:33] <dka> not exactly. I am using a ci runner to deploy on a distant host. This key is the host key
291 [01:27:38] <dka> the distant host key
292 [01:27:41] <dka> not the ci runner key
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294 [01:27:55] <jelly> ~/.ssh/id_rsa is not default path for a host key
295 [01:27:55] <apt> okay, jelly
296 [01:27:59] <jelly> oh dear
297 [01:28:09] <jelly> apt, forget /.ssh/id_rsa
298 [01:28:09] <apt> jelly: i forgot /.ssh/id_rsa
299 [01:28:14] <dka> jelly, id_rsa is the key on the distant host for doing the git pull
300 [01:28:29] <jelly> dka, still not what a "host key" is
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304 [01:28:53] <dka> how can I siolve the issue ?
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309 [01:29:16] <dka> replaced-url
310 [01:29:19] <dka> This is the script I am using
311 [01:29:20] <jelly> dka, did you change ssh versions on their client or the server recently?
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315 [01:29:49] <dka> I didn't
316 [01:30:09] <henrjs> Re.
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318 [01:31:08] <dka> jelly, this is the gitlab-ci.yml which produce the error : replaced-url
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321 [01:31:36] <dka> replaced-url
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327 [01:33:06] <dka> This is the output log I have replaced-url
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329 [01:33:26] <dka> CAn you guess why I have the following error : "Host key verification failed." ?
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333 [01:34:17] <dka> I am using .gitlab-ci.yml : replaced-url
334 [01:35:20] <jelly> dka, I can't be bothered decyphering that. Does the message happen on the remote system or locally?
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338 [01:36:15] <dka> I can't be sure
339 [01:36:26] <jelly> figure it out
340 [01:36:30] <dka> because I use the bash script ssh-deploy and it run a ssh command on another host
341 [01:36:36] <dka> So is this the output of the distant or local ?
342 [01:36:44] <jelly> you tell me
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344 [01:37:00] <dka> Ok I will
345 [01:37:10] <dka> needs to rebuild the whole thing brb in 20-30min
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350 [01:39:30] <jelly> analyzing some half-assed script that deploys ssh settings over ssh... too convoluted for free support at 1am
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366 [01:47:33] <dka> ok :)
367 [01:47:44] <dka> I managed by editing the ci script and downloading my script that have the log
368 [01:48:02] <dka> so it happen during the "ssh" command between the client and the distant host
369 [01:48:25] <dka> it is happening on the client
370 [01:48:42] <jelly> can you reproduce it doing the same command outside the script?
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373 [01:50:06] <dka> yes i can
374 [01:50:15] <dka> it can't be exactly the same
375 [01:50:21] <dka> oh
376 [01:50:21] <dka> yes it can
377 [01:50:23] <dka> let me try
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384 [01:54:37] <dka> jelly, when I use the line outside of the script: it does Warning: Permanently added ... to the list of known hosts.
385 [01:54:45] <dka> and then the whole deployment work
386 [01:55:08] <jelly> so you can't actually reproduce it on the client side
387 [01:56:20] <jelly> does this script run inside a terminal (with a tty) or not?
388 [01:57:02] <dka> no tty
389 [01:57:03] <jelly> if ssh does not run on a tty, it can't ask you interactively whether you want to accept a host key for a new host the first time it sees it
390 [01:57:32] <dka> this is why the bash script is settings ~/.ssh/config with StrictHostKeyChecking no in it
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394 [01:57:59] <jelly> but those settings are deployed on remote machine, not the local one.
395 [01:58:09] <dka> it's local
396 [01:58:26] <dka> see L32 of ssh-deploy , it is before the ssh command
397 [01:58:56] <jelly> oh, ok
398 [01:59:06] <jelly> maybe that's not enough
399 [01:59:46] <dka> I can give him a hug
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402 [02:00:13] <dka> seriously. What are the reasons why a bash script could not execute the same command than the host
403 [02:00:21] <dka> I see the tab character
404 [02:00:23] <jelly> dka, I'd probably use ssh-keyscan to generate/append .ssh/known_hosts instead of disabling features
405 [02:00:31] <negatratoron> E: Unable to locate package nvidia-driver
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408 [02:01:04] <jelly> dka, I've never used "StrictHostKeyChecking no" so I'm not aware of all the gotchas
409 [02:01:07] * negatratoron just installed debian
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413 [02:01:22] <jelly> dpkg, tell negatratoron about non-free sources
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415 [02:01:28] <jelly> dpkg, tell negatratoron about nvidia dkms
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417 [02:01:52] <negatratoron> oh okay, non-free sources
418 [02:01:59] <jelly> negatratoron, read the recipes dpkg bot sent you in private messages carefully
419 [02:02:14] <negatratoron> jelly: okay, thanks
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440 [02:16:41] <dka> thanks again jelly for pointing me in the right direction
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460 [02:25:37] <qmr> How do I scroll down in the installer text window thing?
461 [02:25:51] <qmr> the checkboxes for this option don't fit on screen
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465 [02:27:18] <qmr> 'Configure the package manager' bit
466 [02:27:29] <qmr> oh nevermind it's on next page. confusing
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548 [03:22:51] <qmr> why do my interfaces not have systemd deterministic names?
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551 [03:24:00] <bezaban> good question
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554 [03:25:53] <piklu> Hi
555 [03:25:59] <piklu> I just want to enable KVM device
556 [03:26:07] <piklu> not install qemu-kvm or libvirt
557 [03:26:10] <piklu> what shall I do ?
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561 [03:28:26] <bezaban> piklu: what do you want to accomplish? What do you want to use a kvm 'device' for if you're not virtualizing?
562 [03:28:28] <bezaban> !ask
563 [03:28:29] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
564 [03:28:58] <piklu> I am trying ranchervm, it allows kvm on docker and just requires a kvm device
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566 [03:29:01] <bezaban> wrong factoid
567 [03:29:07] <bezaban> aaah. rancher.
568 [03:29:17] <piklu> @bezaban replaced-url
569 [03:29:27] <bezaban> I would think that requires libvirt
570 [03:29:49] <piklu> it says it should not
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572 [03:30:35] <bezaban> piklu: where?
573 [03:30:41] <piklu> on the github readme
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575 [03:31:32] <bezaban> piklu: I can't see any references to 'doesn't require libvirt' in that README.md
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578 [03:31:57] <piklu> We do not need any user space tools like qemu-kvm or libvirt.
579 [03:31:59] <bezaban> oh, now I do
580 [03:32:01] <bezaban> yeah
581 [03:32:11] <piklu> but it would need libvirt-daemon-system?
582 [03:32:15] <bezaban> might be debian dependencies then
583 [03:32:38] <bezaban> do you have a kvm kernel?
584 [03:32:48] <piklu> I have just debian installed on a dedi
585 [03:32:50] <bezaban> or mod
586 [03:32:56] <piklu> installed this daemon system now and rebooted
587 [03:33:54] <bezaban> is installing qemu or libvirt a problem?
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591 [03:34:20] <piklu> no. just don't want to add things not required
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593 [03:34:31] <bezaban> good attitude :)
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595 [03:35:15] <bezaban> you could always statically install it, but harder to maintain
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597 [03:36:13] <bezaban> but only barely looked at rancher, a friend wants me to join his 'cluster'
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626 [04:02:03] <paqcito> Hey guys. Anyone in here? I'd like to talk a little bit about virtualization, if anyone is willing to, I'd appreciate it. Basically, I'm a newbie about it, I'm recently understand it benefits of it. I'm looking forward be a SysAdmin, I've been doing pretty well, actually. Do you think Virtualization is that importat on the Linux SysAdmin side? Where should I start? Thanks.
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634 [04:04:06] <bezaban> paqcito: this is not the right place, but virtualization is good for utilization of hardware resources and managebility. However that is a somewhat expiring paradigm, it's more about containers and unikernels now
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637 [04:05:58] <paqcito> bezaban i thought it was since there's some sysadmin hanging out in here. Yes, but do you think virtualization is losing the game againts containers?
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640 [04:07:02] <bezaban> paqcito: yes and no, vms will live for a long time over bare metal, but many serious contenders are adapting the benefits of containerizing
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644 [04:07:42] <bezaban> it's a new paradigm, immutable building blocks that are replaced on demand
645 [04:08:09] <paqcito> bezaban: are you a sysadmin>
646 [04:08:10] <paqcito> ?
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649 [04:09:35] <bezaban> paqcito: I am between jobs, but I've been in operations and moving to cloud
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652 [04:10:51] <bezaban> whatever that means :P
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655 [04:11:05] <paqcito> bezaban: Were you working with virtualization pointly?
656 [04:11:41] <bezaban> paqcito: out of many things yes, but professionaly mostly ESXI, kvm, xen privately
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658 [04:12:06] <bezaban> (kvm, xen privately)
659 [04:12:24] <paqcito> bezaban: Did you recommend me any good book to learn virtualization?
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661 [04:12:45] <bezaban> paqcito: no, not really. Decide on a hypervisor then start using it
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663 [04:13:05] <bezaban> esxi/xen/kvm/hyperv
664 [04:13:33] <paqcito> bezaban: I'll try it. I'm just a little bit confused since I'm a newbie which use to start learning.
665 [04:14:12] <bezaban> paqcito: for me I learn by doing. I'm thinking a 'general guide' to virt might be a bit general.
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667 [04:14:31] <paqcito> bezaban: thanks!
668 [04:14:32] <bezaban> select a tech and go with it
669 [04:14:37] <bezaban> paqcito: good luck :)
670 [04:15:14] <bezaban> concepts should be ok described online
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733 [05:09:57] <bnw> Is it possible to just copy files from a Debian installation iso to a FAT32 partition on a USB stick and use it as installation media?
734 [05:10:55] <bnw> I mounted the iso, and then copy files to the FAT32 partition, and found soft link can not be create on FAT32 partition
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739 [05:14:00] <pacha> bnw: are you trying to make a booteable USB stick?
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742 [05:14:27] <bnw> pacha, Yep
743 [05:14:39] <pacha> bnw: try with unetbootin
744 [05:14:42] <brimonk> Anyone have any experience installing the nvidia cuda toolkit on debian?
745 [05:14:56] <bnw> And I want a UEFI mode bootable USB stick
746 [05:15:26] <bnw> pacha, thank you. I will give that a try
747 [05:15:52] <pacha> bnw: also you can use `dd if=debian-image.iso of=/dev/sdX && sync`, thats what I usually use
748 [05:15:57] <bnw> I thought simply copying files from an installation iso to a FAT32 would do.
749 [05:16:06] <dvs> pacha, don't need sync with dd
750 [05:16:26] <bnw> pacha, that's what I usually do too.
751 [05:16:30] <pacha> bnw: that wont make it booteable, that is why the .iso is an image
752 [05:16:46] <bnw> k
753 [05:17:03] <pacha> dvs: you are right
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760 [05:22:40] <bnw> pacha, actually I just put the USB stick I had copied files onto on a new PC and found it booted to installation interface. Just not sure if there will be any integrity problem
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764 [05:25:47] <pacha> bnw: if everything copied correctly you probably wont have any kind of trouble, the thing is that if you grab a bunch of files that "could" be booteable the BIOS/UEFI or whatever you are loading the USB from needs to know what files to load, it is called a boot sector
765 [05:26:34] <pacha> usually it is the first bytes of the media you are booting from, in your case if you check the iso (which is an image), the first bytes will have the booteable part which launches the installation interface
766 [05:27:32] <pacha> just copy/pasting directories and files from a directory to a clean usb stick probably wont make it, although I am now pretty knowledgeable about these things
767 [05:27:45] <pacha> s/now/not
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770 [05:29:03] <bnw> Maybe it's the new capability of the Debian 9 iso
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774 [05:31:19] <bnw> I did turn on "boot esp" flag for the FAT32 partition after partition creation
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800 [05:57:38] <HappyHorny88> hey
801 [05:58:14] <HappyHorny88> anyone ?
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808 [06:00:48] <wfio> Hola - sorry to be a pest but are ya'll sure the CD-ROM error was solved in 9.0.1? I've tried netinstall, full DVD, etc and none of them work. They are all presenting the same error.
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811 [06:01:33] <wfio> It actually gets beyond the CD-ROM fail to the point where it starts to install system files. Then around 24% it crashes. Consistently.
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813 [06:02:22] <wfio> This behavior happens in VirtualBox VMs and attempting to install via USB as a local OS. USB written via dd, Etcher, cat, and even just as a FAT32 with the ISO copied to it.
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892 [06:56:36] <beginner123> test
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911 [07:08:20] <graff> where can i download the src versions for dash
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913 [07:08:23] <graff> replaced-url
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915 [07:08:44] <graff> i just want an early source version to hack ok for a bit and look at the parser
916 [07:08:54] <graff> on for*
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918 [07:11:31] <graff> nvm found something
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972 [07:45:10] <arktvrvs> hi, quick question. debian stable (lxde if it matters). ive built a couple programs and pcmanfm (or something else?) thinks its a shared library, and thus i have to run it via command line or altf2. advice?
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1080 [08:34:29] <mika`> in order for this atheros 9k network card to bring up wla0, i have to type modprobe ath9k then it works... on reboot it's back to not working.
1081 [08:34:30] <mika`> i want it to just do this at start up. shouldn't have to type it in...
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1107 [08:52:13] <mika`> 1605 people and no one knows?
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1118 [08:56:19] <fasdfd> Is there a way to use firefox built against gtk3 in debian? Will this be the default in future? How far future?
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1123 [08:57:49] <Galihom> mika`: I think that you can add the module 's name into /etc/modules. Not sure
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1145 [09:08:24] <codebam> fasdfd: you can probably use apt source and compile it against gtk3
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1154 [09:11:17] <fasdfd> codebam, what if compiling is not an option?
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1167 [09:17:22] <codebam> fasdfd: I don't believe there is a binary package for firefox-gtk3 in the repos (if it's not already gtk3?), so you could look for it somewhere else on the internet, or deal with not having the gtk3 version
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1211 [09:46:54] <nikitasius> hi folks! can someone help with tails installation via copy on usb? (#tails looks dead here)
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1215 [09:50:44] <codebam> nikitasius: replaced-url
1216 [09:51:30] <codebam> use rufus on windows, use dd on *nix
1217 [09:51:51] <nikitasius> codebam: yep, i will try dd now :)
1218 [09:52:20] <nikitasius> copypaste doesnt work with this iso, even with boot flags and linux or dos mbr via ms-sys
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1220 [09:52:35] <nikitasius> (unpacked copypaste, sure)
1221 [09:53:23] <codebam> yeah for that to work you'd need to install a bootloader on the drive and configure it to find the files properly, it's much easier to just dd the image
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1223 [09:54:19] <codebam> if you want it to be a persistant usb, you could launch the iso in a virtual machine and use the tool inside tails to make a usb with persistant data
1224 [09:55:16] <nikitasius> codebam: thanks. guess, i need only `dd` it, cause i have 2nd usb with data. And i need to run a laptop, work and keep it clean.
1225 [09:55:20] <nikitasius> thanks for advices!
1226 [09:55:35] <codebam> no problem :)
1227 [09:56:06] <nikitasius> codebam: `dd` work as charm, tails too :D
1228 [09:56:16] <codebam> glad to hear it
1229 [09:57:01] <nikitasius> thats crap what they cant made normal iso. most of iso you can copy on fat32/ntfs, setup bootflag. For some of them: setup MBR.
1230 [09:57:06] <nikitasius> but tails fails :)
1231 [09:57:30] <codebam> actually it's a standard to dd iso images
1232 [09:57:54] <nikitasius> codebam: yep, but if i need to modify it.. (i need to google this moment)
1233 [09:58:11] <nikitasius> before just unpack, add your soft and copy on stick
1234 [09:58:22] <deepy\lettuce> dd, then modify?
1235 [09:58:33] <codebam> yeah mount it and modify it
1236 [09:58:37] <nikitasius> lol
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1238 [09:58:46] <nikitasius> i need moar coffee! morning is hard!
1239 [09:59:05] <nikitasius> thanks :D
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1241 [10:00:13] <nikitasius> well.. old eeepc work sloow under this.
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1243 [10:00:52] <Hyp3ri0n> .gm
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1250 [10:05:13] <celyr> apt changelog is not working replaced-url
1251 [10:05:13] <apt> ...but changelog is already something else...
1252 [10:05:22] <celyr> am I misssing something ?
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1254 [10:07:18] <celyr> also changelog on website is not working replaced-url
1255 [10:07:26] <celyr> How am I supposed to update, blindly
1256 [10:07:27] <celyr> come on
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1263 [10:10:22] <codebam> replaced-url
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1265 [10:10:35] <codebam> celyr
1266 [10:10:58] <codebam> or...
1267 [10:11:00] <celyr> that's not the changelog I'm looking for ?
1268 [10:11:06] <codebam> my bad sorry
1269 [10:11:15] <celyr> np
1270 [10:11:19] <celyr> thanks for help
1271 [10:11:39] <celyr> I would really like that debian guys solve this changelog mess that is going on for a while now
1272 [10:11:41] <codebam> is it one of them in this folder? replaced-url
1273 [10:11:55] <codebam> maybe linux_4.9.30-2_changelog?
1274 [10:12:00] <celyr> no
1275 [10:12:22] <Shadur> Are you using apt-listchanges ?
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1291 [10:19:16] <celyr> Shadur, actually
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1295 [10:21:44] <celyr> Shadur, ok I've read about it, I can use it but I want to use it before installing the packages
1296 [10:22:21] <codebam> celyr: download the deb and run apt-listchanges on it?
1297 [10:22:33] <Shadur> celyr: That's what it *does*. It plugs into the apt-get pipeline and - depending on exact configuration - shows or mails you the changelog of every package about to be updated.
1298 [10:22:33] <celyr> super confortable
1299 [10:23:14] <celyr> Shadur, ok let's say that I've 5 pending upgrades, how can I see the changelogs ?
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1303 [10:26:13] <celyr> while upgrading it works btw
1304 [10:26:21] <celyr> it's just that I want to see them before installing
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1331 [10:49:57] <Ormu> :O
1332 [10:50:08] <Ormu> openjdk-7-jdk seems to take several minutes to install :|
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1410 [11:25:06] <rly> Can anyone recommend an intel driver powered cheap laptop that runs Linux with reasonable powermanagement?
1411 [11:25:39] <rly> It's not meant for heavy computing, or whatever. So, there isn't going to be a top of the line CPU or Ryzen or whatever in it.
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1425 [11:35:40] <Aebian> can someone explain sudo to me? I get this error 'sudo: no tty present and no askpass program specified' but just for a sinlge user. The line in /etc/sudoers.d/stpuser is this 'stpuser ALL=PASSWD: /usr/local/bin/composer, /bin/rm' I'm just trying to allow stpuser to run two commands over sudo but it should accept and respect the defaults in /etc/sudoers.d/default
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1451 [11:43:37] <tcorneli> hi, how do you configure nginx with ipv6?
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1454 [11:44:44] <petn-randall> rly: IIRC every Thinkpad should work pretty much out of the box with Linux/Debian.
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1466 [11:50:05] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
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1479 [11:53:44] <domovoy> hi
1480 [11:54:06] <sam__> hey guys quick question concerning permissions. take 775. i understand that the digits are for user, group and other respectively. what i don't understand is which user or group is meant. does 775 mean that the current user (me) has 7? and which group gets the second 7?
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1483 [11:55:16] <domovoy> how can i debug what happens when resolving a hostname? (ie, i have several "search" and "nameserver" in resolv.conf, i want to see what fqdn and nameserver it tries)
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1485 [11:55:48] <petemc> dig +trace
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1490 [11:57:13] <domovoy> petemc> dig +trace gives me a connection timeout... works without it
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1495 [11:59:04] <petemc> odd, perhaps try +trace +recurse
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1503 [12:01:05] <hyper_ch> hi there, just installed in a VM and I was surprised that ifconfig wasn't installed by default. Why did that change?
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1508 [12:01:48] <petemc> hyper_ch: it is deprecated in favour of iproute2
1509 [12:02:07] <petemc> you can still install it if you want
1510 [12:02:20] <hyper_ch> petemc: but why do that? does iproute2 do something better?
1511 [12:02:29] <petemc> lots of things
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1513 [12:02:42] <hyper_ch> :)
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1515 [12:03:05] <hyper_ch> so, question is solved... since it's intentional :) thought maybe something went wrong when packaging the iso
1516 [12:03:07] <hyper_ch> thx
1517 [12:03:08] <domovoy> petemc> still the same... May be important to know i'm trying to setup dnsmasq on localhost, and it's the only nameserver in resolv.conf
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1529 [12:08:50] <r7st`> hello, after a dist-upgrade to deb9 my screen started flickering. nomodeset fixes the problems, but is not ideal for obvious reasons. is there an alternative to nomodeset that i could use?
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1531 [12:09:46] <r7st`> watching a video on youtube sent my cpu temp over 100C
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1542 [12:14:26] <geronimo_> what are some busy channels to ask for debian related technical help but also in broader sense like apache, mysql, php stack
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1546 [12:16:30] <iodev> hi geronimo_
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1548 [12:17:25] <geronimo_> hi iodev_
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1550 [12:19:38] <at0m> geronimo_: in general, ask in the app specific channel, like #apache, #mysql, #php
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1554 [12:21:32] <AtheroS__> am i still banned ?
1555 [12:21:36] <AtheroS__> i think no
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1563 [12:24:09] <petn-randall> AtheroS__: *Should* you still be banned?
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1576 [12:31:03] <lesik__> what were you banned for in the first place?
1577 [12:31:26] <codebam> asking if he was banned too often
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1579 [12:31:36] <lesik__> nice
1580 [12:31:42] <codebam> (I'm joking)
1581 [12:31:47] <lesik__> I got it ^^
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1584 [12:31:59] <codebam> haha
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1589 [12:33:36] <andre144k__> hi - is it possible to change default /urs/bin/mail to mutt (system-wide)?
1590 [12:33:45] <citypw> replaced-url
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1593 [12:34:37] <andre144k__> maybe changing link /usr/bin/mail >> /etc/alternatives/mail >> /usr/bin/mutt ?
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1595 [12:34:42] <andre144k__> or not good idea?
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1603 [12:36:55] <iodev> andre144k__: bad idea
1604 [12:37:08] <iodev> leave /usr/bin alone
1605 [12:37:21] <andre144k__> oki - another good idea?
1606 [12:37:32] <codebam> citypw: wait what does it generate?
1607 [12:37:34] <andre144k__> i want that cron etc is using muss instead of mail
1608 [12:37:41] <codebam> citypw: selinux rules?
1609 [12:37:57] <andre144k__> "mutt" instead of "mail"
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1612 [12:38:29] <citypw> codebam: the rhel-stig implementation have selinux checks. debian-stig doesn't have it.
1613 [12:38:46] <citypw> we may add some MAC/RBAC checks about Grsecurity's RBAC
1614 [12:38:50] <citypw> or Apparmor?
1615 [12:38:54] <citypw> not settled yet
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1617 [12:39:01] <codebam> um okay, what does it do though? is it just for searching for system vulnerabilities?
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1621 [12:39:27] <codebam> also, grsecurity is closed source now, no?
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1624 [12:40:41] <citypw> codebam: yes, we've been using this version: replaced-url
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1626 [12:41:00] <codebam> oh cool
1627 [12:41:02] <citypw> minipli is maintaining the last version of GRSEC, which is 4.9
1628 [12:41:25] <codebam> how can I install that on debian, or would I have to do a manual install?
1629 [12:41:28] <citypw> codebam: STIG doesn't try to find vulns/bugs but some security baseline checks
1630 [12:42:00] <citypw> codebam: dunno, you can do whatever you like. autoinstall via a customized ISO?
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1632 [12:42:28] <codebam> okay hmm
1633 [12:42:30] <codebam> well thanks
1634 [12:42:36] <codebam> I'm going to go now
1635 [12:43:04] <citypw> yw;-)
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1649 [12:47:21] <YesButProbablyNo> has anyone gotten GNU mailman 3 installed on their machine?
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1657 [12:50:26] <petn-randall> !anyone
1658 [12:50:26] <dpkg> Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
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1660 [12:51:39] <lesik__> !popcon mailman
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1668 [12:55:20] <babilen> judd: v mailman
1669 [12:55:21] <judd> Package: mailman on amd64 -- wheezy: 1:2.1.15-1+deb7u1; wheezy-security: 1:2.1.15-1+deb7u2; wheezy-backports: 1:2.1.18-2~bpo70+1; jessie: 1:2.1.18-2+deb8u1; jessie-security: 1:2.1.18-2+deb8u1; sid: 1:2.1.23-1; stretch: 1:2.1.23-1; buster: 1:2.1.23-1
1670 [12:55:36] <babilen> .. I guess that's the background to this question
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1684 [12:59:06] <YesButProbablyNo> I would rather stay away from the older generation on mailman
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1686 [13:00:02] <YesButProbablyNo> but I can't find any guides on getting mailman 3 running
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1688 [13:01:02] <YesButProbablyNo> I could do with some other mailing list software too, but mailman is the only one that I know off that can assign email addresses to lists
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1732 [13:22:12] <Eryn_1983_FL> helllo
1733 [13:22:18] <Eryn_1983_FL> anybody awake with their coffee
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1736 [13:22:35] <Eryn_1983_FL> so i am making a crontab and i wanted it to run it by somebody
1737 [13:22:44] <petn-randall> Eryn_1983_FL: Sure, shoot.
1738 [13:22:51] <Eryn_1983_FL> i am doing 0 0 15 /2 * command
1739 [13:22:57] <Eryn_1983_FL> i am doing 0 0 15 */2 * command
1740 [13:23:19] <Eryn_1983_FL> i want my command to run a midnight on the 15 day every two months..
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1785 [13:38:51] <dunderproto> I'm trying to set up group/conference calls using SIP. Should I get free sip accounts or set up my own server?
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1792 [13:45:36] <bluewhitew> hello all! :)
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1798 [13:47:31] <bluewhitew> im just curious about guys working on kernel. Every time they did a modification they have to reboot your machine? Or they uses some tricks?
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1800 [13:48:38] <petn-randall> bluewhitew: Yes, the usual way is reboot into the new kernel. Then there's "kexec" which theoretically allows you to boot straight into a new kernel, but using that isn't trivial.
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1803 [13:49:40] <ncz3615> it is possible to blacklist specific pci ids for a driver without patching the kernel? the snd-hda-intel driver binds to 3 "sound" devices (one real onboard soundcard and two gfx cards with hdmi output. i want to bind it only to the onboard sound card.
1804 [13:49:48] <bluewhitew> uhmmm... ok seems a waste of time to have to reboot everytime :|
1805 [13:49:51] <ncz3615> s/it is/is it/
1806 [13:50:07] <petn-randall> bluewhitew: What are you trying to do?
1807 [13:50:33] <Mathisen> ksplice maybe also
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1809 [13:50:47] <bluewhitew> ohh just some experiment. Change something to .. just to study the kernel
1810 [13:51:26] <bluewhitew> i using virtualbox and reboot everytime the vm
1811 [13:51:45] <petn-randall> bluewhitew: You could look into kexec then. I don't know the details though.
1812 [13:51:56] <bluewhitew> by the way make deb_pkg CLEAN everytime ?
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1823 [13:55:05] <rizado> Hello! Sorry for question, but is possible to patch X-server for Debian to switch keyboard layout on release instead on press as it's now?
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1829 [13:56:33] <rafalcpp> any easy way to create same setup of partitions on disk sdb, as it is on sda? they have same physical size btw
1830 [13:56:50] <Mathisen> dd
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1832 [13:56:54] <rafalcpp> fast them manual fdisk enterin secotrs by hand
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1834 [13:57:11] <rafalcpp> Mathisen: just dd the 1st sector? is that fine always?
1835 [13:57:22] <rafalcpp> (DOS part table)
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1837 [13:57:58] <petn-randall> rafalcpp: Use "sgdisk -R", that's the most reliable way.
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1839 [13:58:37] <rafalcpp> handles DOS part in addition to GPT?
1840 [13:59:04] <petn-randall> rafalcpp: yes
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1845 [14:00:00] <petn-randall> rafalcpp: check the man page for details, and pay attention to the order of parameters. I've accidentally mixed source and destination drive once.
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1849 [14:00:39] <rafalcpp> hah, probably unpleasent experience
1850 [14:01:28] <petn-randall> rafalcpp: I could salvage the information from the kernel, it still kept the "old" data somewhere in /proc/ or /sys/, but it was a shock moment.
1851 [14:01:56] <rafalcpp> that man page should be better worded for -R
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1853 [14:02:12] <rafalcpp> so -R target source
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1855 [14:02:26] <ncz3615> is it possible to blacklist specific pci ids for a driver without patching the kernel? the snd-hda-intel driver binds to 3 "sound" devices (one real onboard soundcard and two gfx cards with hdmi output). i want to bind it only to the onboard sound card.
1856 [14:02:31] <petn-randall> rafalcpp: yep
1857 [14:02:50] <petn-randall> ncz3615: What are you trying to accomplish with that?
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1859 [14:03:04] <petn-randall> !xy problem
1860 [14:03:04] <dpkg> Slow down for a bit! Are you sure that you need to jump through that particular hoop to achieve your goal? We suspect you don't, so why don't you back up a bit and tell us about the overall objective... We know that people often falsely diagnose problems because they are too close to them -- it's easy to miss that there is a better way to proceed. See replaced-url
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1863 [14:03:33] <ncz3615> petn-randall: make the onboard soundcard the *only* soundcard and prevent driver oops with the hdmi "sound" cards
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1865 [14:04:34] <ncz3615> petn-randall: if the driver binds to all 3, the onboard sound is unusable, even if selected properly in pulseaudio
1866 [14:04:41] <petn-randall> ncz3615: If it's only about the default soundcard, I'd just set that either in alsa or pulseaudio. Can you show the kernel oops you are getting? You can use replaced-url
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1870 [14:05:35] <kalipso> peace out guys, iam setting up openvpn inside linux containers and follow the arch tutorial because it is very detailed. but installing easy rsa seems to be different on debian, there is no /etc/easy-rsa so my question is in which folder i can find it (whereis easyrsa wont help)
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1872 [14:06:08] <ncz3615> petn-randall: no, setting the default soundcard is *not* sufficient. i already experimented with sysfs and driver unbind / bind. but doing this after the driver initially bound to all 3, it still won't work with the onboard soundcard
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1877 [14:07:09] <rafalcpp> when you have raid mirror with 1 out of 2 disks (the 2nd disk is missing) how to add a new disk to be used in place of missing one?
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1879 [14:07:12] <ncz3615> petn-randall: if i prevent the driver from binding to anything (by writing "0" to /sys/bus/pci/drivers_autoprobe), then loading the driver, then writing the correct pci device name in /sys/bus/pci/drivers/snd_hda_intel/bind, it works
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1886 [14:08:29] <ncz3615> petn-randall: but i cannot do this in the systemd controlled boot process, or can i?
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1893 [14:11:33] <ncz3615> petn-randall: regarding the oops: sorry, the machine i get this error on is not mine. i only can try out things like once in a week.
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1936 [14:34:49] <peixoto> hello thre
1937 [14:34:59] <peixoto> what's up?
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1959 [14:45:00] <johnkeates> the sky, thats whats up
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1961 [14:46:22] <peixoto> hello
1962 [14:46:26] <peixoto> how are you?
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1969 [14:47:43] <peixoto> i have some problems with initramfs and linux-firmware. cannot install things...
1970 [14:48:35] <towo^work> explain
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1975 [14:49:23] <peixoto> here towo^work : replaced-url
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1978 [14:49:48] <towo^work> this is not debian
1979 [14:49:54] <peixoto> yes
1980 [14:50:08] <towo^work> no is ubuntu
1981 [14:50:15] <peixoto> linux mint
1982 [14:50:20] <towo^work> not debian
1983 [14:50:25] <towo^work> so wrong channel
1984 [14:50:26] <johnkeates> it's not debian
1985 [14:50:29] <johnkeates> and it's the wrong language
1986 [14:50:32] <johnkeates> we can't help you
1987 [14:50:44] <johnkeates> try mint-mexican or whatever it would be called, they have a list on their site
1988 [14:50:57] <peixoto> i am french
1989 [14:50:58] <peixoto> x)
1990 [14:51:13] <towo^work> doesn't matter, it's not a debian
1991 [14:51:20] <peixoto> ok
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1993 [14:51:51] <peixoto> i thought that, as it was based on debian (deb file apt and all), it would be okay.
1994 [14:51:54] <peixoto> ok.
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1997 [14:52:34] <peixoto> alright
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1999 [14:52:36] <peixoto> thanks
2000 [14:53:00] <shtrb> Is hexchat a GTK or QT app ?
2001 [14:53:16] <towo^work> gtk
2002 [14:53:17] <celyr> replaced-url
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2004 [14:53:35] <louiz> yeah…
2005 [14:53:42] <shtrb> thanks , I have a very strange issue
2006 [14:53:42] <louiz> I just saw that
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2009 [14:54:51] <celyr> That's the right punishment for those who use ubuntu as server
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2013 [14:56:41] <cymen> I have a flaky connection and I am trying to run dist-upgrade but on every restart it downloads everything again. How do I make it keep stuff?
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2029 [15:03:18] <cymen> Well, it starts with Get:1 and I assumed the numbers index the packages.
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2084 [15:29:00] <queso> How do I install the latest release of Firefox (non-ESR)? This used to be provided by mozilla.debian.net, but that's gone now, and I see the firefox-esr package is not the latest version. I'm on Jessie.
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2089 [15:32:17] <shtrb> apt-get install firefox
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2091 [15:32:25] <shtrb> *for the one in debian rep
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2096 [15:36:35] <queso> shtrb: replaced-url
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2099 [15:37:06] <queso> Maybe I need to uninstall and reinstall because of all the packaging changes that have occurred related to firefox in jessie?
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2105 [15:38:08] <shtrb> You are on stable
2106 [15:38:12] <shtrb> ?
2107 [15:38:15] <queso> replaced-url
2108 [15:38:37] <queso> shtrb: Yes, jessie stable. I previously had the package installed via mozilla.debian.net.
2109 [15:39:10] <jimjamjim> what exactly does chromium-shell do?
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2112 [15:39:32] <shtrb> queso , replaced-url
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2114 [15:40:24] <queso> shtrb: hmm, okay, I guess it's not available. will have to wait until I upgrade to stretch. Thanks.
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2131 [15:46:15] <queso> shtrb: I have a virtual machine running stretch to play around with it. stretch doesn't have a firefox package either: replaced-url
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2135 [15:47:58] <BluesKaj> queso, you can download FF and it will run fine on debian in my experience. Use dpkg to install it .
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2158 [15:58:06] <shtrb> queso , I think there might be an issue with FF (as said on mentors.debian.net)
2159 [15:58:18] <shtrb> long live iceweasel
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2164 [16:04:11] <queso> lol
2165 [16:04:35] <queso> BluesKaj: Oh, so download it directly from mozilla.org
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2167 [16:05:24] <dunderproto> Is there an open, standardized protocol for video conferencing? I need a good drop-in replacement for Skype
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2169 [16:05:37] <dunderproto> But I am finding all the different clients to be extremely confusing and I can't figure out which one to use.
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2172 [16:06:16] <petn-randall> dunderproto: XMPP allows for signalling, and you can then do RTC. Have a look at jitsi for example.
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2174 [16:06:42] <petn-randall> dunderproto: Another option is to use webrtc for video conferencing, where you end up using your browser for this.
2175 [16:06:49] <Ticho> I think Tox had videoconferencing, although I'm not sure if also one-to-many, or just one-to-one
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2184 [16:10:13] <shtrb> dunderproto , SIP
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2186 [16:10:26] <shtrb> or xmpp depending on your eco system
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2189 [16:12:15] <shtrb> dunderproto , you need to choose based on your current system and clients.
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2195 [16:15:41] <queso> BluesKaj: Yup, it works if you download directly from mozilla.org. Unfortunately it's a tarball so I don't think it will update automatically.
2196 [16:15:46] <queso> But it works. :)
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2209 [16:21:32] <BluesKaj> queso, oh yeah, forgot that i had to extract it (bz2), guess I had kubuntu on my mind :-)
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2231 [16:27:59] <dunderproto> petn-randall: Thanks. I'm researching jitsi and webrtc right now.
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2237 [16:28:35] <dunderproto> Ticho: I considered Tox but is it yet experimental? I need something that uses standardized protocols so that it can work across different clients
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2239 [16:28:47] <petn-randall> dunderproto: SIP also is possible, but as I researched 2-3 years ago, it wasn't the easiest route for me. May have changed by now.
2240 [16:28:48] <dunderproto> shtrb: it does seem that SIP is the best solution
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2244 [16:29:28] <shtrb> dunderproto , there is no best solution you need to see what you have
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2247 [16:30:13] <petn-randall> dunderproto: The persistent problem you'll always face is how to overcome NAT when establishing a peer-to-peer connection between two (or more) clients. jitsi put quite some effort into this, although it's still not perfect.
2248 [16:30:18] <shtrb> if your clients (contacts) interact using SIP based it would be good (phones / ISP level etc) but if they are using H323 it will not work good
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2253 [16:30:48] <dunderproto> shtrb: I need a solution that can work across different clients on different platforms, one on my laptop and another on an Android smartphone. Video would be nice, but not essential, so long as audio works reliably
2254 [16:30:50] <shtrb> you have public stun services , and many ISP will let you to register and use your "number" on it
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2259 [16:31:52] <Silmaril> I've a previously unseen apt behavior (on a raspbian however), it keep downloading the same "InRelease" file (160 try right now, and it's quite slow for each one ..)
2260 [16:31:54] <dunderproto> I don't need to call the public telephone network, it just has to work between the two clients. I can self-host a server with a public ip address if need be
2261 [16:32:02] <Silmaril> what could cause this ?
2262 [16:32:18] <shtrb> dunderproto , If you are going to self host you need a public ip , stun server or a vpn
2263 [16:32:31] <dunderproto> shtrb: I've got a public ip
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2269 [16:34:06] <shtrb> you can setup everything than, now the only thing you need to choose what server (if that is really what you wish ) answer your needs
2270 [16:34:20] <shtrb> *then you can setup everything now
2271 [16:34:34] <shtrb> how can I know what GTK version firefox-esr uses ?
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2273 [16:35:30] <Silmaril> shtrb: ldd on the binary ? or apt show firefox-esr
2274 [16:36:08] <teraflops> shtrb: it uses gtk3 from system if I get what you mean
2275 [16:36:36] <shtrb> thank you , but it also lists gtk2 in apt is it ok ?
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2277 [16:36:51] <teraflops> I think so
2278 [16:36:58] <petn-randall> Silmaril: Ask in #raspbian please, Raspbian is a fork from Debian that has significant changes.
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2280 [16:37:26] <teraflops> shtrb: but if your issue is about not picking gtk2 themes, that's what I meant
2281 [16:37:49] <Silmaril> petn-randall: ok, i doubt they modified apt however ;)
2282 [16:37:53] <shtrb> I'm at #kde trying to debug a rendering issue with GTK apps
2283 [16:38:01] <teraflops> ah
2284 [16:38:11] <Silmaril> look like some ubuntu users where having the same behavior some times ago
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2289 [16:39:01] <petn-randall> Silmaril: It's not up to us to verify. If you can replicate the behaviour on Debian we'll be happy to have a look at it.
2290 [16:39:05] <Silmaril> something to do with validating the file llok like
2291 [16:39:13] <Silmaril> petn-randall: yes of course i understand
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2318 [16:48:02] <feb_> hello. Not sure what happened, but since some update firefox crashes immediately at startup
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2321 [16:48:22] <feb_> even when starting in another user account
2322 [16:48:36] <Silmaril> and with a clean profile ?
2323 [16:48:43] <nkuttler> ,v firefox
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2325 [16:48:44] <judd> Package: firefox on amd64 -- jessie-backports/firefox-release: 52.0-1~bpo80+1; sid: 54.0-1; experimental: 55.0~b2-1
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2328 [16:48:54] <nkuttler> feb_: 52.0 ?
2329 [16:48:59] <waterCreature> hi, i am trying to make a live persistent usb with kalilinux 2017.1 using sandisk ultra flair 64gb, I initially did it successfully with 8gb one. now I want to switch to 64 gb and it's not working. the first time it was stuck, the second time, it was no child node error.
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2331 [16:49:25] <waterCreature> i made the os partition 8gb, is there a limit that it should only be 4gb or something?
2332 [16:49:28] <feb_> 52.2
2333 [16:49:29] <waterCreature> for live usb drives
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2336 [16:49:44] <nkuttler> waterCreature: ask the kali channel
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2338 [16:49:54] <waterCreature> nkuttler, it's invite only.
2339 [16:49:54] <waterCreature> :(
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2341 [16:50:06] <feb_> I even purged and re-installed
2342 [16:50:09] <nkuttler> !kali
2343 [16:50:09] <dpkg> Kali Linux (replaced-url
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2345 [16:50:27] <nkuttler> waterCreature: if you need to register with nickserv first, ask in #freenode for help
2346 [16:50:40] <greycat> Is it really invite-only or is just just "requires a registered nick"?
2347 [16:51:09] <greycat> They even hide their /topic. Makes me feel like they are not a very welcoming group.
2348 [16:51:12] <waterCreature> ah
2349 [16:51:13] <nkuttler> feb_: seems to work fine for me. did you try without an existing profile?
2350 [16:51:19] <waterCreature> wait i haven't identify yet
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2353 [16:51:44] <feb_> nkuttler, yes. I even tried in a another user account
2354 [16:51:47] <nkuttler> greycat: well. if you can't figure *that* out you probably shouldn't be using kali .oO
2355 [16:51:48] <waterCreature> greycat, thanks for pointing that out.
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2357 [16:51:54] <nkuttler> feb_: that doesn't really answer my question
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2359 [16:52:33] <feb_> and also tried after mv aways .mozilla
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2362 [16:52:59] <BluesKaj> waterCreature, you just need to register your nick with nickserv and you'll be able to join #kali-linux chat
2363 [16:53:17] <nkuttler> feb_: yeah, well, strace it i guess
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2365 [16:53:25] <waterCreature> i am on #kali-linux now I believe...
2366 [16:53:38] <waterCreature> now waiting for response :D
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2368 [16:54:32] <dunderproto> shtrb: To set up the server for the sip addresses, what software should I use? Asterisk or Kamailio (or something else)?
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2370 [16:54:53] <feb_> the strace isn't very helpful
2371 [16:54:56] <feb_> replaced-url
2372 [16:55:00] <dunderproto> I just need two accounts, a@domain.com and b@domain.com, and be able to call each other. I don't need the public telephone network
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2374 [16:55:28] <feb_> could be a problem with glib or another dependency
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2377 [16:55:42] <shtrb> dunderproto , what suite you best kamailio/sip-router are very different from Asterisk / freepbx
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2379 [16:55:45] <feb_> at some time I had testing enabled at a lower priority
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2382 [16:56:09] <feb_> lower priority than stable
2383 [16:56:11] <nkuttler> feb_: which package did you actually install?
2384 [16:56:21] <feb_> nkuttler, firefox-esr
2385 [16:56:25] <feb_> not good ?
2386 [16:56:26] <dunderproto> shtrb: ok, I'll research into this to understand the difference
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2388 [16:56:30] <nkuttler> feb_: apt-cache policy firefox-esr
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2393 [16:56:57] <shtrb> dunderproto , you can use a pbx software or sip-router (has more features but is intended for a different thing )
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2396 [16:57:25] <feb_> replaced-url
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2399 [16:58:00] <nkuttler> feb_: yeah, well, if you mixed testing and oldstable there's no guarantee anything works
2400 [16:58:24] <feb_> it wasnt my intention :(
2401 [16:58:29] <feb_> oldstable ?
2402 [16:58:34] <Silmaril> jessie
2403 [16:58:44] <Silmaril> current stable is stretch
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2405 [16:59:09] <nkuttler> you might want to upgrade to stretch... sounds easier than cleaning up jessie..
2406 [16:59:29] <feb_> indeed
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2408 [16:59:33] <Silmaril> you might want to try up'ing the jessie packages priority to make sûre there is no leftover
2409 [16:59:44] <feb_> I missed the release of stretch
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2411 [16:59:46] <Silmaril> or like nkuttler said ;)
2412 [16:59:46] * feb_ hides
2413 [16:59:49] <nkuttler> feb_: and check the release notes for the right procedure
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2415 [17:00:13] <shtrb> dunderproto , I used opensips (relative of openser/kamailio) for carrier grade level and some frankenstein for the PBX
2416 [17:00:44] <nkuttler> feb_: section 4 in particular
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2421 [17:02:45] <shtrb> dunderproto , you also need to have control over your dns records if you go above a pbx
2422 [17:02:48] <feb_> nkuttler, will do
2423 [17:02:52] <feb_> thank you all
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2428 [17:03:49] <Parulidus> dunderproto , I this week am in a similar topic and searched a lot. I wouldn't know about a recommendation for Android, but for Linux I found the technical most reliable solution to be jitsi. but jitsi does not has a most userfriendly GUI. linphone has the userfriendly GUI and works quite fine, as well. Besides, a web browser based solution could be at this URL: meet.jit.si
2429 [17:04:40] <shtrb> If you do take over sip , I used csipsimple , libphone and yate as clients
2430 [17:04:57] <timeless> i don't suppose someone is familiar w/ how debian chooses to update packages...; i have logwatch@7.4.3+git20161207-2 on a system, and it's apparently not new enough to handle openssh-server@1:7.4p1-10 output
2431 [17:04:59] <shtrb> linphone have an extra bonus of supporting SIMPLE (SIP IM)
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2433 [17:05:11] <dunderproto> shtrb: Thanks for your help. I used to use CSipSimple too, but recently it got removed from f-droid, and I could not figure out why
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2436 [17:05:51] <dunderproto> Parulidus: Thanks, yes, I have been looking at Jitsi as well
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2438 [17:05:57] <shtrb> (*) some phones and DEs have built in SIP clients
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2442 [17:06:48] <shtrb> any phone that supports LTE should have some support for SIP
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2452 [17:10:35] <Parulidus> dunderproto, iconsider to try the newest linphone (version4). They have arepository for Debian on their server, and explain how to add it to your apt sources.
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2455 [17:10:49] <Parulidus> sorry, forget the above.
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2459 [17:12:18] <dunderproto> shtrb: built-in SIP clients? I have never heard of that before
2460 [17:12:21] <Parulidus> dunderproto, consider to use the flatpak installation of the newest linphone version (v4), if acceptable for you to do so inside your debian system. It is described on the linphone site.
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2462 [17:12:35] <dunderproto> shtrb: Where would I find such a built-in SIP client on a typical Android phone?
2463 [17:12:40] <shtrb> dunderproto , "Voip Settings"
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2467 [17:13:13] <shtrb> *under the phone app
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2485 [17:18:28] <inte> hello
2486 [17:18:34] <inte> i installed kde neon
2487 [17:18:48] <shtrb> neon is ubuntu and not debian
2488 [17:18:56] <inte> ok i will check there
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2491 [17:19:22] <shtrb> #kde and #kde-neon can give you more help
2492 [17:19:29] <inte> its only i noticed a .Private directory in my homdir which contains 45g of encrypted files and I dont know what it is
2493 [17:19:39] <inte> a cool kde-neon thanks
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2496 [17:20:43] <inte> any idea anyone why there would be encrypted files in my homdirectory?
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2498 [17:20:58] <inte> is this really a ubuntu/neon issue?
2499 [17:20:59] <shtrb> if they are encrypted to begin with
2500 [17:21:02] <simp_> inte, keyring maybe?
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2502 [17:21:10] <inte> 45gb of keyrings?
2503 [17:21:11] <shtrb> 45G of keyrings ?
2504 [17:21:15] <celyr> maybe wannacry
2505 [17:21:16] <inte> hehe
2506 [17:21:20] <simp_> ah, missed the GB :)
2507 [17:21:25] <inte> wannacry on linux?
2508 [17:21:32] <shtrb> under wine ?
2509 [17:21:40] <celyr> I was kidding
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2511 [17:21:49] <inte> lsof sees nothing accessing those files
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2513 [17:22:11] <dunderproto> shtrb: thanks. I'm guessing that SIP support doesn't come turned on by default on most mobiles. But if it had been, that would have been fantastic
2514 [17:22:21] <greycat> Just because your distribution's support channel sucks, does not mean we can support your non-Debian operating system.
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2521 [17:22:45] <inte> greycat: well im just playing around with neon
2522 [17:22:54] <inte> its not my main distri anyways
2523 [17:23:04] <shtrb> inte , you can try at debian-kde on OFTC
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2526 [17:23:18] <shtrb> they might be packaging stuff and know more on that subject
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2529 [17:23:38] <inte> ok but im not even sure this is related to kde at all
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2532 [17:24:01] <shtrb> If you install ubuntu based you are on your own , sorry mate
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2536 [17:24:42] <inte> files are called something like ECRYPTFS_FNEK_ENCRYPTED.<hashvalue>
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2538 [17:25:01] <inte> and are dated beginning from april
2539 [17:25:11] <jhutchins_wk> inte: Are you the only one who has had access to this system?
2540 [17:25:14] <inte> new files were added almost daily
2541 [17:25:15] <inte> yes
2542 [17:25:20] <inte> only one
2543 [17:25:29] <nils_> is there a way to get the current lts upstream kernel? I'm running a lot of hosts with the kernel from jessie-backports which so far hasn't been patched for the stack clash bug.
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2545 [17:26:14] <shtrb> check if you have auto mount for encryptfs
2546 [17:27:00] <inte> just found this: replaced-url
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2550 [17:27:35] <inte> this is, however, even more strange since this is a pretty fresh install (April) and i never changed the encryption passphrase
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2554 [17:28:46] <inte> ok i will just backup them to external, delete them locally and reboot and see what will happen
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2579 [17:40:12] <jelly> !qotd0
2580 [17:40:12] <dpkg> <{Fatalfury}> hi, do u know a way to limit the /proc directory size? now it's over 500MB and i have a very little hd
2581 [17:41:14] <mantal--> make
2582 [17:41:16] <shtrb> what ?
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2585 [17:41:49] <greycat> No targets specified and no makefile found. Stop.
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2590 [17:42:21] <mantal--> x)
2591 [17:42:34] <aguitel> Gufw status are off ,that means the firewall are off ?
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2602 [17:46:24] <celyr> is dpkg a bot or there is also a guy behind
2603 [17:46:31] <celyr> sometime it looks worringly human
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2605 [17:47:05] <greycat> dpkg, what are you?
2606 [17:47:05] <dpkg> I am an infobot. For more information, ask me about <infobot>.
2607 [17:47:58] <shtrb> that is something a human would say
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2609 [17:48:03] <celyr> ^
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2633 [17:59:50] <Vamp898> Some people say that even chicken can install debian if you put enough corn on the return key. I tried that but it didn't work, the chicken got stuck at the password prompt for the root password
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2638 [18:00:08] <shtrb> lol
2639 [18:01:12] <rafalcpp> Vamp898: put more corn on ENTER
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2644 [18:01:46] * rafalcpp assumes 1-char pass will work
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2646 [18:02:14] <r4mpage> Vamp898: try to remove some corn
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2648 [18:02:26] <r4mpage> the chicken will try to move to the next step
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2650 [18:02:31] <r4mpage> and type in the correct password
2651 [18:02:36] <r4mpage> for more corn
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2653 [18:02:43] <Vamp898> i helped the chicken at that point, but it got stuck again at the auto-partition tool which is set to "no" at the question if you are fine with the setup
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2655 [18:02:52] <r4mpage> Vamp898: are you using LUKS ?
2656 [18:03:04] <r4mpage> seems encryption confuses the chicken
2657 [18:03:04] <Vamp898> and the bootloader was installed on nothing
2658 [18:03:13] <shtrb> you will need to add corn, but you need to have the correct ordering
2659 [18:03:25] <r4mpage> Vamp898: ^
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2663 [18:04:39] <shtrb> Vamp898 , thanks I didn't have such a laugh for a long time
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2665 [18:05:42] <Aebian> try ducks they are smarter but require bread instead
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2671 [18:07:02] <shtrb> ducs are vicious
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2687 [18:09:46] <Vamp898> shtrb: and you learned something. If anyone ever tells again that every chicken can install debian, there was a test which proved this wrong
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2708 [18:17:45] <fireboi> i have set my debian pc to a static ip but i cant get it to connect to servers
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2711 [18:18:59] <fireboi> even tho i have done the same to my rpi and it works fine
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2713 [18:19:11] <petn-randall> fireboi: Can you show us the config, and the output of 'ip addr' and 'ip route'? Paste it to replaced-url
2714 [18:19:27] <petn-randall> fireboi: Raspbian and Debian are not the same.
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2717 [18:19:36] <fireboi> petn-randall: ok
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2732 [18:23:55] <peterandre> is there a way to manipulate the lsb_release -a output ?
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2736 [18:24:18] <greycat> make /usr/local/bin/lsb_release which does whatever you want
2737 [18:24:23] <peterandre> ok
2738 [18:24:25] <peterandre> thanks
2739 [18:24:27] <petn-randall> !xy problem
2740 [18:24:27] <dpkg> Slow down for a bit! Are you sure that you need to jump through that particular hoop to achieve your goal? We suspect you don't, so why don't you back up a bit and tell us about the overall objective... We know that people often falsely diagnose problems because they are too close to them -- it's easy to miss that there is a better way to proceed. See replaced-url
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2742 [18:25:19] <fireboi> petn-randall: replaced-url
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2744 [18:25:40] <lesik__> are you trying to upgrade your debian my changing what lsb_release outputs? ;)
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2746 [18:26:28] <martin-_-_> hi there
2747 [18:26:45] <petn-randall> fireboi: You config and the actuall state seem to disagree: You've configured 192.168.1.30 as IP address for eth0, but got 192.168.1.9.
2748 [18:26:52] <peterandre> no i'm trying to trick vesta cp (which isnt supported yet by debian strecht) to install it on 9.0
2749 [18:27:27] <martin-_-_> is it possible to get/extract the installed .deb packages from a system?
2750 [18:27:35] <Vamp898> fireboi: after that, check if you can ping your default gateway
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2755 [18:28:30] <martin-_-_> I want to extract the libc6-dev lib from my system
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2757 [18:28:42] <martin-_-_> because I cant install it on my second system
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2762 [18:29:08] <greycat> martin-_-_: dpkg -x
2763 [18:29:16] <martin-_-_> ah thanks
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2765 [18:29:23] <jhutchins_wk> martin-_-_: That prompts us to ask "why can't you install it".
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2771 [18:30:36] <martin-_-_> I did a factory reset on my NAS and try to execute apt-get install build-essential and I get an dependcy error build-essential: Depends: libc6-dev but it is not installable or libc-dev
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2775 [18:31:12] <petn-randall> martin-_-_: Is there a proper Debian on that NAS?
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2778 [18:31:28] <martin-_-_> its a derivate of debian sarge/netgears
2779 [18:31:54] <martin-_-_> I guess the libc6-dev would be avaible in the netgear sources but theire sources are offline
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2781 [18:32:15] <martin-_-_> deb replaced-url
2782 [18:32:53] <martin-_-_> petn-randall, thats my system replaced-url
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2784 [18:33:11] <petn-randall> martin-_-_: I'm guessing mixed releases or so. But you'll have to take that up with them. Neither Debian sarge nor ReadyNAS are supported in here.
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2788 [18:33:48] <martin-_-_> ok then I'll try the dpkg -x on my second nas system
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2790 [18:34:02] <martin-_-_> hopefully it works
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2792 [18:34:57] <petn-randall> I'm guessing there's a 95% chance it won't boot after that. Make backups.
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2795 [18:36:24] <fireboi_> network is unreachable
2796 [18:36:28] <martin-_-_> petn-randall, already done
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2798 [18:36:39] <fireboi_> ip addr eth0 DOWN
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2801 [18:36:59] <fireboi_> ip route blank
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2804 [18:38:27] <martin-_-_> greycat, I switched my HDDs and I'm logged in my second system. Where are the .deb files saved ?
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2807 [18:39:13] <fireboi_> petn-randall: /init.d/network restart .. failed
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2809 [18:39:39] <martin-_-_> btw. how can I create/extract the .deb file of libc6-dev
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2811 [18:40:01] <Vamp898> fireboi_: can you post the configs again
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2815 [18:41:11] <fireboi_> Vamp898: the same
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2817 [18:41:35] <fireboi_> for ../interfaces
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2826 [18:44:11] <jmcnaught> fireboi_: if you mean that you did "/etc/init.d/networking restart" then you should instead try using ifdown and ifup on your interface(s). Restarting the networking service has been deprecated since squeeze as it's known to not always work
2827 [18:44:59] <fireboi_> jmcnaught: ifup /down doesnt work
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2832 [18:46:12] <martin-_-_> or is there a way to figure out which files the libcdev packages contains?
2833 [18:46:14] <fireboi_> couldn't read the ../ interfaces file
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2838 [18:47:07] <jmcnaught> fireboi_: '../ interfaces'?
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2840 [18:47:10] <default> Dear Abby, got a problem. new installation. Trying to download key into gpg. Get this result: gpg: failed to start the dirmngr '/usr/bin/dirmngr': No such file or directory
2841 [18:47:10] <default> gpg: connecting dirmngr at '/run/user/1000/gnupg/S.dirmngr' failed: No such file or directory
2842 [18:47:10] <default> gpg: keyserver receive failed: No dirmngr. Re-loaded .gnupg from backup, same result. Tried to remove/re-install gnupg, apt wanted to remove every package from here to Hong Kong. What to do?
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2845 [18:48:04] <fireboi_> jmcnaught: /etc/network/interfaces
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2847 [18:48:33] <martin-_-_> ok got it dpkg-query -L libc6-dev
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2851 [18:49:37] <martin-_-_> how can I copy the listed files into a "backup folder"?
2852 [18:49:48] <fireboi_> typo at ../interfaces ....
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2857 [18:51:00] <jmcnaught> fireboi_: oh i just searched the history to find your paste, are you using raspbian?
2858 [18:51:09] <fireboi_> no everything works
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2860 [18:51:27] <fireboi_> no i said that as an example
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2862 [18:51:45] <fireboi_> that their is no router plob
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2864 [18:51:54] <fireboi_> *prob
2865 [18:52:18] <ScottE> default: is the dirmngr package installed?
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2867 [18:52:48] <Raziel_> I had a similar issue with dirmngr, it isn't installed by default. replaced-url
2868 [18:52:49] <judd> Bug replaced-url
2869 [18:52:50] <default> ScottE: let me see.
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2871 [18:53:35] <edju> anyone on jessie and with a hp printer? i ran hp-check and was missing a ton of dependencies. tried to install them and discovered problems - a bunch of "already the newest version" and that libtool is an incompatible version, and more. If any one runs a hp printer on jessie, I'd appreciate any tips, pointers, etc.
2872 [18:53:46] <jmcnaught> fireboi_: sorry i don't understand you. would you be more comfortable troubleshooting in another language? Debian has other channels for other languages.
2873 [18:54:10] <default> ScottE: No, should I do so?
2874 [18:54:18] <jmcnaught> edju: where did "hp-check" come from, a Debian package or a download from the HP website?
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2876 [18:54:51] <fireboi_> jmcnaught: it was a typo in my ../interfaces
2877 [18:55:07] <fireboi_> prob = problem
2878 [18:55:12] <ScottE> default: It should fix the error, so I would say yes :-)
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2881 [18:55:39] <edju> jmcnaught, from a debian package.
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2885 [18:55:49] <dioz> how to get tap touchpad back
2886 [18:55:52] <dioz> please advise
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2888 [18:56:23] <jmcnaught> edju: usually HP printers are plug and play for me. Could you perhaps show the terminal output of what you did above?
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2890 [18:57:01] <johhny> I have a lot of "kworker" and "bioset" with nice values with -20. Is that okay/normal?
2891 [18:57:08] <default> ScottE: that seemed to work. Didn't know it was a missing package. Thanks!
2892 [18:57:10] <edju> jmcnaught, Sure. I'll have to paste, so be back in a few.
2893 [18:57:17] <johhny> CPU usage is 0% for those proc.
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2895 [18:57:32] <fireboi_> now i cant enable vnc
2896 [18:57:36] <fireboi_> :(
2897 [18:57:37] <ScottE> You're welcome default
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2900 [18:58:16] <erob> hey any idea why python 2.7.13 is failing to install properly on debian9/stretch ? i get "recipe for target 'libinstall' failed "
2901 [18:58:38] <jmcnaught> default: do you have recommends disabled in apt?
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2903 [18:59:12] <jmcnaught> erob: how are you installing it?
2904 [18:59:18] <fireboi_> does static ip affect vnc?
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2906 [18:59:30] <erob> jmcnaught: from source, using make install
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2908 [18:59:50] <default> mcnaught: I don't know how to check that.
2909 [18:59:55] <jmcnaught> erob: why would you do that? stretch comes with python 2.7.13 as a Debian package
2910 [19:00:11] <jhutchins_wk> fireboi_: not if if's a valid ip.
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2912 [19:00:18] <dioz> so libinput with testing broke my tap on my touchpad. anyone tell me how to fix it?
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2916 [19:00:39] <fireboi_> jhutchins_wk: it is i can see it in my network
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2918 [19:00:42] <jmcnaught> default: recommends are enabled by default, but sometimes people trying to get a slim system disable them, and then they're missing software that's really useful. If you don't remember disabling it then you probably didn't do it.
2919 [19:00:50] <erob> jmcnaught: are you implying its not possible to compile python in stretch ?
2920 [19:01:19] <Vasistha> recommendation: best debian LiveCD for a Windows 7 user? Cinnamon / Gnome / kde / Lxde / Mate / Xfce. My wife's windows box is crawling and I've got kind of a one-time-only opportunity to let her try linux and see if she likes it; familiarity and ease of use and simple beauty (not animation) are paramount.
2921 [19:01:20] <fireboi_> when i had dhcp i had vnc now with static i dont
2922 [19:01:27] <jmcnaught> erob: i'm implying that you should not install python from source on debian without taking special care to ensure it does not replace the system python
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2924 [19:01:46] <default> mcnaught: I really don't think I did that.
2925 [19:01:59] <ScottE> jmcnaught: my guess is that default did not manually install anything, but the package was just missing in whatever install was in use. I'm pretty sure I ran into this same thing when installing via debootstrap, but I can't say if the official installer does or does not have it.
2926 [19:02:14] <BluesKaj> Vasistha, KDE will "look" more familiar to W7 users
2927 [19:02:19] <jmcnaught> erob: also it would be very surprising if you had a working stretch system without python 2.7.13 already installed
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2929 [19:02:47] <erob> fair enough... should i fill a bug report then ?
2930 [19:02:50] <default> mcnaught: is that why apt wanted to remove so many packages?
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2932 [19:03:00] <johhny> Does anybody have an idea?
2933 [19:03:09] <Vasistha> thanks, BluesKaj. I'm leaning towards kde or cinnamon. I dunno if the LiveCD turns on heavy animations with KDE though, lightweight would be nice, running off usb
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2935 [19:03:11] <greycat> !any ideas
2936 [19:03:11] <dpkg> Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a box full of rutabagas, a little WD-40, and 5 or 6 sex-crazed badgers. And keep the FBI off my back for the next few minutes!
2937 [19:03:31] <jmcnaught> default: is your 'j' key broken? :P I don't know why apt wanted to remove packages, but if you make a paste we can all take a look
2938 [19:03:31] <AimHere> We don't need no steenking badgers
2939 [19:03:43] <jmcnaught> erob: a bug about what? what is your end goal here?
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2943 [19:04:18] <BluesKaj> Vasistha, KDE is the most fexible of all the desktops IMO, hence the bigger footprint
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2945 [19:04:24] <default> jmcnaught: Sorry :)
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2947 [19:04:39] <erob> jmcnaught: i wanted to install python in /usr/local
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2949 [19:04:56] <erob> while taking care of compilation options
2950 [19:05:02] <jmcnaught> erob: "… to solve this problem…"
2951 [19:05:07] <ScottE> default: The reason apt wanted to remove so many packages to uninstall gnupg is because gnupg is a dependency of lots of stuff - it's fairly vital to a working system. But, none of that really matters since the right solution was simply to install the missing package and you should be good now.
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2953 [19:05:38] <martin-_-_> I'll use cp /usr/lib/libnsl.so destination
2954 [19:06:00] <martin-_-_> is there a way to tell cp to create the same folders like from the source?
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2956 [19:06:08] <jmcnaught> erob: why are you not able to use the python provided by Debian?
2957 [19:06:09] <Vasistha> BluesKaj: thanks. Although this kde bug is making me nervous so I'm thinking I should do something else. replaced-url
2958 [19:06:11] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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2961 [19:06:28] <default> ScottE: Okay, I'll just quit while I am ahead.
2962 [19:06:44] <martin-_-_> cp /usr/lib/libnsl.so destination should result in cp /usr/lib/libnsl.so destination/usr/lib/libnsl.so
2963 [19:07:18] <erob> jmcnaught: i want to fine tune the compilation for speed not debugging
2964 [19:07:23] <edju> jmcnaught, ran hp-check again after running hp-doctor, which ran an apt-get session. now the only error is "error: 'libtool' package is missing/incompatible ." I have libtool 2.4.2-1.11.
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2967 [19:07:56] <BluesKaj> vincent_c, I'm on Debian stretch/9 and it's as solid as a rock, like any other desktop a lot depends on your hardware.
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2972 [19:08:16] <BluesKaj> Vasistha^
2973 [19:08:42] <jmcnaught> edju: okay i just ran hp-check and it had similar errors for me. Have you tried manually adding the printer in CUPS by going to replaced-url
2974 [19:09:06] <fireboi_> i cant enable vino from settings
2975 [19:09:16] <Vasistha> BluesKaj: yeah but it looks like the kde livecd has this bug. It's just risky, if the thing is unstable, I'll probably have to buy my wife a new windows computer instead of installing linux on this perfectly good one. Kinda got one chance here to make a good impression, and that's a scary-looking bug there.
2976 [19:09:23] <fireboi_> after static ip
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2980 [19:09:47] <edju> jmcnaught, no, never thought of cups.. will try.
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2982 [19:10:09] <martin-_-_> cp --parents solved the issue
2983 [19:10:21] <BluesKaj> Vasistha, don't judge a baremetal install by a usb live media
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2986 [19:10:49] <jmcnaught> erob: i strongly recommend that you install your new python to somewhere that is not on your $PATH (not /usr/local) so that it does not conflict with the system python. Install it to /opt, or consider doing this experiment in a chroot/container/VM
2987 [19:11:04] <Vasistha> BluesKaj: I'm not - I can't do an install, gotta trial the livecd first. Must make a good impression there before the proper install can happen!
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2989 [19:11:29] <johhny> I have a lot of "kworker" and "bioset" with nice values with -20. Is that okay/normal? CPU usage is 0% for those proc.
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2992 [19:12:01] <BluesKaj> Vasistha, but it's your money, all you have to lose is nothing , you can always wipe the OS if it doesn't work, make sure you back up your data first of course
2993 [19:12:31] <Vasistha> BluesKaj: also why I'm doing the livecd - she might have some nasties on the drive - can't trust windows to make a backpu
2994 [19:12:39] <jelly> johhny: normal, those are kernel threads
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2997 [19:13:09] <johhny> jelly thank you :)
2998 [19:13:36] <johhny> Those are new, never saw them with Kernel 3.X
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3000 [19:13:43] <johhny> ?
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3004 [19:14:56] <BluesKaj> Vasistha, suggest you buy a samall hdd for a few bucks and install it in the pc , then install debian on that for trial run
3005 [19:15:10] <jelly> johhny: I see both [kworker/something] and [bioset] on a jessie 3.16.0-4-amd64 kernel
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3008 [19:15:33] <johhny> Okay, nevermind :)
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3010 [19:15:51] <fireboi_> vino broken
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3012 [19:16:24] <fireboi_> cant enable vnc
3013 [19:16:30] <Proteus^> a usb boot device is your friend for learning
3014 [19:17:27] <Proteus^> in fact if you get a large one you can use multibootusb to install several different distros. When i was first learning i went through several installs trying different things out. Very handy tool to just have them all and select what you want to boot.
3015 [19:17:44] <Proteus^> replaced-url
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3018 [19:17:58] <fireboi_> and then u make stuu
3019 [19:18:20] <fireboi_> stuff thinkg u got persistence and boom
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3021 [19:18:43] <Proteus^> you can have persistence with multibootusb :)
3022 [19:18:46] <Proteus^> its pretty slick
3023 [19:18:58] <fireboi_> i tried like 4 times
3024 [19:19:23] <fireboi_> and the i coded some stuff and the next day gone
3025 [19:19:32] <fireboi_> tthen
3026 [19:20:00] <Proteus^> replaced-url
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3029 [19:20:43] <fireboi_> 2 os with 2 persist strage for each other?
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3031 [19:21:08] <Proteus^> each get their own based on your setting i believe
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3034 [19:21:47] <fireboi_> ive done so many times
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3037 [19:22:21] <fireboi_> persistance.conf doesnt work
3038 [19:22:35] <greycat> does the spelling count?
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3040 [19:23:23] <fireboi_> Proteus^: only debian .. supported ;)
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3043 [19:24:08] <fireboi_> vino help
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3045 [19:24:17] <aguitel> anyway to install compiz & emerald themes in stretch mate ?
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3050 [19:26:20] <fireboi_> aguitel: link?
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3054 [19:28:46] <fireboi_> where is the vino conf?
3055 [19:28:48] <aguitel> fireboi_, looking for the link
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3057 [19:29:04] <fireboi_> aguitel: k
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3066 [19:33:17] <dioz> i have tap to click enabled in dconf
3067 [19:33:24] <dioz> why do i have no tappy click on my touchpad?
3068 [19:33:30] <dioz> it happened after testing update
3069 [19:33:51] <greycat> If you figure it out, please tell us, so we can put it on the wiki, because EVERYONE is asking this.
3070 [19:33:59] <dioz> oh
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3072 [19:35:18] <fireboi_> vino cant be started
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3076 [19:36:11] <jmcnaught> fireboi_: you need to provide more details if you want help. show the error message, try running it from a terminal.
3077 [19:37:53] <fireboi_> from cli says aldeary running
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3079 [19:38:16] <fireboi_> but if i go on gnome sttings its off
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3081 [19:38:40] <fireboi_> jmcnaught:
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3090 [19:40:32] <fireboi_> when i click the on/off button it jumps back to off
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3097 [19:43:19] <fireboi_> remove and reinstall
3098 [19:43:22] <fireboi_> ?
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3103 [19:46:57] <fireboi_> aguitel: what are u trying to do?
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3108 [19:49:13] <jhutchins_wk> ,info vino
3109 [19:49:14] <judd> Package vino (gnome, optional) in stretch/amd64: VNC server for GNOME. Version: 3.22.0-1; Size: 403.2k; Installed: 2256k; Homepage: replaced-url
3110 [19:49:54] <jhutchins_wk> fireboi_: Find out where it logs and see why it's failing.
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3117 [19:52:04] <dirac1> replaced-url
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3119 [19:52:27] <shtrb> systemd is a denial of service attack
3120 [19:52:29] <jmcnaught> fireboi_: oh i think i know what you're experiencing, i have a similar problem with the media sharing done by rygel in gnome because I don't use NetworkManager anymore. For Rygel at least it has a feature that lets you selectively enable it depending on the network you're connected to, which requires you to be using NetworkManager as far as I can tell
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3125 [19:54:44] <jhutchins_wk> systemd.resolv - because we didn't know how to do dns before.
3126 [19:54:55] <jhutchins_wk> all your system are belong to systemd.
3127 [19:55:04] <greycat> As long as it's off by default, systemd will be permitted to live.
3128 [19:55:31] <shtrb> it is disabled by default ?
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3130 [19:56:00] <jmcnaught> systemd-networkd and systemd-resolved are not enabled by default on Debian
3131 [19:56:12] * shtrb praise the debian gods
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3133 [19:56:24] <greycat> By "it" I mean all of these stupid add-ons like the builtin time sync and the builtin cron and the builtin network-manager.
3134 [19:57:09] <dirac1> soon to have built-in internet browser.
3135 [19:57:15] <dirac1> systemd-browse
3136 [19:57:18] <dirac1> :)
3137 [19:57:34] <jmcnaught> actually i started using networkd on my desktop and i like it so far
3138 [19:57:35] <shtrb> I think the marvelous manor that replace cron is active (because of the timers )
3139 [19:57:50] <r7st`> o/
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3149 [19:59:53] <fireboi_> jmcnaught: i think i use network manager
3150 [20:00:05] <BluesKaj> dioz, in the console, synclient TapButton1=1
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3152 [20:00:44] <jmcnaught> fireboi_: wasn't your earlier issue getting a static IP configured in /etc/network/interfaces? NetworkManager by default ignores interfaces configured that way, it marks them as unmanaged.
3153 [20:01:08] <fireboi_> jmcnaught: oh no what can i do then?
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3155 [20:01:29] <fireboi_> jmcnaught: i used dhcp before and vino worked
3156 [20:01:32] <jmcnaught> fireboi_: use a different VNC server, or go back to using NetworkManager
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3159 [20:02:08] <fireboi_> jmcnaught: network manager cant work with static ip?
3160 [20:02:32] <Vamp898> fireboi_: sometimes i feel like NetworkManager cant work with Networks in general
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3162 [20:02:44] <jmcnaught> fireboi_: you can configure NetworkManager to use a static IP, but you configured something else instead
3163 [20:02:57] <fireboi_> im sad
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3165 [20:03:13] <fireboi_> new vnc i guess
3166 [20:03:28] <jhutchins_wk> Vamp898: That's probably an indication that you don't understand how Network Manager is meant to be used.
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3170 [20:04:27] <Vamp898> jhutchins_wk: i always failed to setup multiple virtual ip addresses
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3179 [20:07:34] <fireboi_> well thank u guys im gonna install the vnc tomorrow thx
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3199 [20:15:29] <aguitel> anyway to install compiz & emerald themes in stretch mate ?
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3211 [20:20:59] <jhutchins_wk> That sounds like a good way to break things.
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3239 [20:30:38] <jhutchins_wk> aguitel: When you install items that are meant for something "close" to what you're installing them on, the way things break can be subtle and VERY difficult to fix. If you want to try it, I would make sure you had a good backup you could revert to.
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3242 [20:30:54] <err404> how I can manage pulseaudio volume control with cli or ncurses like alsamixer?
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3246 [20:31:28] <jhutchins_wk> aguitel: How themes are installed tends to vary from release to release, I would look for docs for your current version of mate, or look to the source of the themes for advice.
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3253 [20:31:57] <aguitel> jhutchins_wk, ok
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3311 [20:52:36] <Jonny135> Hi guys! I'm comming here because I need help to connect a Huewei 3G modem via cli in voyage it's a distribution very close to debian and it use mostly of his package.
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3313 [20:52:46] <die7> any chance to get itunes on debian running?
3314 [20:52:56] <verm1n> is freeipa-server + debian RIP?
3315 [20:53:01] <Jonny135> Before update the kernel everything was working, but with the new kernel not anymore
3316 [20:53:08] <greycat> !based on debian
3317 [20:53:08] <dpkg> Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare replaced-url
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3319 [20:53:19] <Jonny135> Can anyone help me?
3320 [20:53:25] <greycat> Maybe, but not us.
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3325 [20:54:15] <Jonny135> greycat it's a readonly debian....
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3327 [20:54:41] <greycat> !voyage
3328 [20:54:41] <dpkg> Voyage Linux is a distribution <based on Debian> targetted for x86 embedded platforms. Supported via mailing list. replaced-url
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3331 [20:56:06] <verm1n> i cant get it to install properly in a fedora25 lxc container on top of debian
3332 [20:56:22] * verm1n whoops disregard
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3346 [20:58:14] <dontknow> Jonny135, they can't help you. they don't have much knowledge
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3350 [20:59:29] <larvallid> i have a computer with Nvidia 6150SE nForce 430 integrated graphics. on a fresh install of debian 9, i can use it for a while but eventually the system freezes up and the screen displays diagonal lines. do i need to install "nvidia-legacy-304xx-driver"?
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3352 [20:59:38] <Jonny135> dontknow I trying to solve the problem by my self, but I cannot really figure out where it fail the job
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3361 [21:02:00] <UNIcodeX> I'm trying to switch from stretch to testing. I changed all instances of "stretch" to "testing" and commented out the security updates lines. I'm getting "The key(s) in the keyring /etc/apt/trusted.gpg are ignored as the file is not readable by user '_apt' executing apt-key" and some other messages
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3366 [21:04:36] <dontknow> i think it is not good time to upgrade to testing
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3372 [21:06:42] <UNIcodeX> why?
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3374 [21:06:55] <UNIcodeX> i'm testing "testing" in a vm.
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3379 [21:09:09] <mutante> UNIcodeX: because stretch just became stable this month, so testing was unstable a very short while ago
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3382 [21:09:56] <greycat> More importantly, all the new toys were being *held back* from unstable because of the freeze and the impending release, and now the flood gates are open.
3383 [21:10:02] <UNIcodeX> mutante, the intended use case is for my personal laptop, so as to have the latest packages, security fixes, etc...
3384 [21:10:04] <greycat> Everyone's putting all their new toys in unstable.
3385 [21:10:11] <Vasistha> oy. Installed debian on a USB stick. At the end of the installation, I installed grub on MBR of that same USB stick. Now it won't boot-- after selecting the USB stick from (((factory boot screen / BIOS / I don't know what to call it))) - it just boots windows from the HDD
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3387 [21:10:29] <greycat> The ones that trickle down to testing are likely to bring substantial changes.
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3389 [21:10:36] <UNIcodeX> basically my goal is to use a rolling release
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3391 [21:10:44] <greycat> Then why are you using Debian?
3392 [21:10:51] <UNIcodeX> to see if it can handle it
3393 [21:11:01] <mutante> UNIcodeX: " commented out the security updates lines" vs. "have to have the latest security fixes" seems a contradiction?
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3396 [21:11:19] <UNIcodeX> I was advised that security fixes are tracked differently in debian testing
3397 [21:11:22] <greycat> Testing is the *worst* release choice if you care about security as a primary goal.
3398 [21:11:23] <UNIcodeX> was I ill advised...
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3402 [21:12:15] <UNIcodeX> replaced-url
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3405 [21:12:57] <larvallid> i installed nvidia-legacy-304xx-driver. gnome (i think) crashes one second after logging in. when it crashes, i can see my desktop icons, but the wallpaper is black and the top bar is missing. then it repeats in a cycle as if i logged in again. after a while, the entire system hangs as before installing the driver.
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3411 [21:14:29] <jmcnaught> err404: you can use pactl
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3418 [21:15:40] <BluesKaj> larvallid, which nvidia gpu?
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3420 [21:16:05] <larvallid> BluesKaj, Nvidia GeForce 6150SE nForce 430
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3422 [21:16:16] <err404> jmcnaught, yes, i found something like: pactl set-sink-volume 0 50%
3423 [21:16:26] <err404> and it's work
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3425 [21:16:30] <err404> thanks
3426 [21:16:36] <durka42> Hi. Trying to debug an issue with NetworkManager. Under what circumstances might NetworkManager *automatically* add a line such as `unmanaged-devices=interface-name:wlan0` to /etc/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.conf? It's easy enough to go remove it, but this is a headless device and I need to prevent it getting added in the first place.
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3432 [21:17:19] <larvallid> BluesKaj, (btw, it's part of a chipset, not a dedicated graphics card)
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3437 [21:18:51] <BluesKaj> larvallid, yes , i remember that on my old acer laptop
3438 [21:19:22] <jmcnaught> durka42: is wlan0 listed in /etc/network/interfaces?
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3441 [21:19:57] <durka42> jmcnaught: no, I think I found the issue though
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3443 [21:20:03] <durka42> it's a bad interaction with create_ap
3444 [21:20:07] <larvallid> BluesKaj, my machine is a Compaq budget desktop
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3448 [21:21:48] <lostlegion> how can i run routerspoilt on kali linux 2017.1
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3451 [21:23:04] <jmcnaught> lostlegion: kali isn't supported here, it has its own channel
3452 [21:23:07] <larvallid> BluesKaj, i was unable to reproduce the issue on a live CD of ubuntu 11.10 (from 2011!), which was apparently running with no proprietary drivers.
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3458 [21:23:55] <BluesKaj> larvallid, are you using this driver , nvidia-legacy-304xx-driver
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3460 [21:25:07] <lostlegion> exit
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3463 [21:26:00] <larvallid> BluesKaj, yes. when i installed debian, it came with the nouveau driver. then i added the non-free repo and installed nvidia-legacy-304xx-driver.
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3471 [21:27:19] <BluesKaj> larvallid, install nvidia-detect , it will find the correct 304 driver, then install that
3472 [21:28:22] <larvallid> BluesKaj, i'll select recovery mode in the GRUB boot menu, uninstall nvidia-legacy-304xx-driver, unblacklist nouveau, start up normally, and install nvidia-detect. is this correct?
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3475 [21:29:26] <BluesKaj> there's no need to blacklist nouveau , install the nvidia proprietary driver disables it, larvallid
3476 [21:29:39] <BluesKaj> installing
3477 [21:29:41] <larvallid> BluesKaj, ok
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3479 [21:29:48] <IHaveNoName> What is the +l mode ?
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3482 [21:30:19] <greycat> replaced-url
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3485 [21:31:39] <BluesKaj> larvallid, and also make sure you have dkms installed
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3487 [21:32:40] <larvallid> BluesKaj, ok.
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3491 [21:33:44] <IHaveNoName> greycat thanks :)
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3501 [21:37:27] <larvallid> BluesKaj, how should i uninstall nvidia-legacy-304xx-driver? i ran "apt-get remove nvidia-legacy-304xx-driver" and "apt-get autoremove" in recovery mode, and booted back into normal mode. i have the same problems with gnome, but now the system doesn't hang.
3502 [21:38:44] <larvallid> nevermind, the system just hung.
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3505 [21:39:22] <BluesKaj> larvallid, ok do you get to the login page?
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3507 [21:40:22] <larvallid> BluesKaj, i have already enabled automatic login before we started. i'm not sure how i could disable it
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3516 [21:41:42] <larvallid> BluesKaj, the startup process skips the login screen because i have automatic login enabled.
3517 [21:41:43] <shtrb> should floppy drive work with debian sid ? (2.88 mb ) ?
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3519 [21:42:06] <BluesKaj> larvallid, ok , ctl+alt +F2, login then at the prompt do , sudo apt install dkms nvidia-detect
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3521 [21:42:30] <larvallid> BluesKaj, ok
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3526 [21:43:51] <BluesKaj> larvallid, you should see a message about the correct 304XXX driver
3527 [21:44:00] <larvallid> BluesKaj, dkms already installed. nvidia-detect has been installed.
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3530 [21:44:03] <Vasistha> shtrb: replaced-url
3531 [21:44:18] <Vasistha> shtrb: it's not possible to install from floppy
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3534 [21:44:38] <larvallid> BluesKaj, i ran the "nvidia-detect" command and it says: "Your card is only supported up to the 304 legacy drivers series. It is recommended to install the nvidia-legacy-304xx-driver package."
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3537 [21:44:59] <shtrb> Vashistha I was wondering about getting data from them
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3540 [21:45:42] <BluesKaj> larvallid, yes, install the nvidia-legacy-304xx-driver package
3541 [21:45:49] <Vasistha> shtrb: yeah, see that wiki link. If the hardware still works and they're not too degraded from age, it just might work
3542 [21:46:31] <shtrb> I hope so (need to find an adapter for that )
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3545 [21:47:20] <larvallid> BluesKaj, running "apt-get install nvidia-legacy-304xx-driver"
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3548 [21:48:25] <larvallid> i've already tried this driver though. the first time i installed it, it said it the proprietary driver conflicts with nouveau, and the easiest solution is to reboot. i didn't get any messages this time. should i reboot?
3549 [21:48:46] <BluesKaj> yyes
3550 [21:48:54] <larvallid> rebooting
3551 [21:49:10] <BluesKaj> larvallid, if your machine still hangs then i think nouveau is the only choice.
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3556 [21:50:14] <larvallid> BluesKaj, nouveau isn't usable either. it hangs occasionally, especially when i open/close windows or browse the web.
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3558 [21:50:31] <BluesKaj> bummer
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3562 [21:50:45] <larvallid> BluesKaj, i saw the GNOME top bar and wallpaper for a second (although without any desktop icons), and now i have a pitch black screen with only the cursor.
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3564 [21:51:23] <larvallid> it just played the animation you see when you log in, and i saw the top bar, wallpaper, and desktop icons. then immediately it kicked me out to the login screen.
3565 [21:51:27] <BluesKaj> larvallid, which debian /
3566 [21:51:37] <larvallid> BluesKaj, debian 9.0.0 amd64
3567 [21:52:10] <greycat> three digits sounds like a Live image...
3568 [21:52:36] <greycat> and the 9.0.0 Live images are known to have many problems; hence the 9.0.1 images that were released a few days afterward
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3570 [21:52:51] <greycat> which may or may not *still* have some problems...
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3573 [21:53:24] <larvallid> greycat, yes, i'm aware of the problems with live images, and have read the mailing lists warning us to not install with live images. i installed using the normal (not live) installer.
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3576 [21:53:56] <BluesKaj> larvallid, version 9.0.1 might be your answer
3577 [21:54:04] <larvallid> greycat, before installing, on another USB flash drive, i played around with 9.0.1 live, and the freezing and display corruption problem occurred on the live system.
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3580 [21:55:11] <larvallid> BluesKaj, the current system was installed from 9.0.0 (non-live). i should install from debian-live-9.0.1-amd64-gnome.iso?
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3582 [21:55:32] <greycat> no, if you installed from a real installer, let it stand
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3585 [21:56:38] <gulopeiar> I need to check the expected time my battery will last
3586 [21:56:47] <gulopeiar> what is the command line utility to do that?
3587 [21:57:04] <larvallid> gulopeiar, i use "upower -d" which gives a lot of info
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3590 [21:57:45] <larvallid> greycat, that's what i did -- i installed it from a real installer. after installing, the system occasionally hangs and displays diagonal lines on screen. it hangs more often when i open/close windows and browse the web. can't go 30 minutes without freezing.
3591 [21:58:28] <greycat> Sounds like an issue with the video drivers. But I'm guessing you already knew that.
3592 [21:58:32] <larvallid> greycat, yeah
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3594 [21:58:39] <BluesKaj> larvallid, have you updated/upgrade your packages
3595 [21:58:40] <gulopeiar> thanks larvallid, that was helpful
3596 [21:58:54] <greycat> Have you done the usual -- look for errors in dmesg and Xorg.0.log, look for missing firmware, install missing firmware and microcode?
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3598 [21:58:58] <larvallid> gulopeiar, you're welcome
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3601 [21:59:32] <larvallid> BluesKaj, i've ran "apt-get update" after installing, but can't remember if i ran "apt-get upgrade". i might not have.
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3604 [22:00:42] <larvallid> greycat, no i haven't checked any logs after installing the system. i would do that now but i am having trouble restoring the system to the way it was before, with nouveau drivers.
3605 [22:00:43] <BluesKaj> then you should, updating only readies the packages upgrade installs new one and or upgrades the existing ones
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3607 [22:02:25] <larvallid> i want to restore the system to use nouveau drivers. to recap, i've installed nvidia-legacy-304xx-driver and nvidia-detect.
3608 [22:03:07] <BluesKaj> upgrade your packagess first
3609 [22:03:18] <larvallid> BluesKaj, ok, running "apt-get upgrade"
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3611 [22:03:36] <BluesKaj> larvallid, update and upgrade
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3613 [22:03:54] <larvallid> BluesKaj, 0 upgrades. ran update, and still 0 upgrades.
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3616 [22:04:31] <BluesKaj> ok then guess your stuck with nouveau
3617 [22:04:40] <BluesKaj> you're
3618 [22:04:59] <larvallid> should i run "apt-get remove nvidia-legacy-304xx-driver nvidia-detect" now?
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3620 [22:05:25] <BluesKaj> if you wish
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3623 [22:05:43] <BluesKaj> is thais alaptop larvallid?
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3625 [22:05:48] <larvallid> BluesKaj, desktop
3626 [22:06:03] <larvallid> BluesKaj, ok. i have to get back to nouveau because at this point, i can't even log in for a few seconds without hanging.
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3629 [22:07:06] <BluesKaj> larvallid, the i recommend spending 40 bucks on an entry level pcie nvidia geforce 210...it's cheap and it works
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3642 [22:10:17] <larvallid> BluesKaj, i'm not spending money on this machine because the hardware is slow and i have other computers. i'll try some more to get debian to work, otherwise i'll try ubuntu gnome or use the windows partition again
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3649 [22:12:31] <azzamsa> Yes, I know this place is not the propriate place for asking about shell and bash, but I dont know where to ask,
3650 [22:12:31] <azzamsa> please point me to another channel or any place where I can discuss about it.
3651 [22:12:31] <azzamsa> I have a problem when I want to change my PS1 bash style. this is my configuration, but unluckily my prompt still the old one
3652 [22:12:31] <azzamsa> and I cant figure it out, what the problem is.
3653 [22:12:34] <BluesKaj> larvallid, understood
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3655 [22:12:40] <azzamsa> replaced-url
3656 [22:13:21] <azzamsa> I learn from here replaced-url
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3658 [22:14:17] <nkuttler> azzamsa: nobody is going to read all of that... which file do you source and expect to change the prompt?
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3660 [22:14:45] <dax> azzamsa: there is #bash
3661 [22:14:48] <greycat> azzamsa: put your PS1=... in ~/.bashrc and be sure that you source or dot-in ~/.bashrc from your login profile
3662 [22:14:54] <nkuttler> oh right, #bash..
3663 [22:15:00] <azzamsa> replaced-url
3664 [22:15:27] <greycat> you'll need to close and reopen each window to get the new PS1, or run 'exec bash', or dot in the ~/.bashrc file again, though my personal choice is 'exec bash'
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3667 [22:15:49] <vuser> #gentoo
3668 [22:15:53] <vuser> whoops
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3674 [22:16:33] <azzamsa> I just put this line in .bashrc [ -n "$PS1" ] && source ~/.bash_profile;
3675 [22:16:34] <BluesKaj> think I'm done for the day ....take care folks
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3677 [22:16:42] <azzamsa> and put everything in .bash_profile
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3679 [22:17:15] <greycat> No, that is BACKWARDS. Backwards and wrong.
3680 [22:17:26] <greycat> .bash_profile, if it exists, should dot in ~/.bashrc
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3682 [22:17:36] <greycat> .bash_profile should contain environment variables and other non-transient settings
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3684 [22:17:40] <azzamsa> it seems to be working in MacOS, but is there any diferent behaviour in bash for linux ?
3685 [22:17:53] <greycat> .bashrc should contain shell functions, aliases, shopts, sets, and any variables that you don't want to be exported
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3687 [22:18:41] <azzamsa> replaced-url
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3690 [22:18:57] <greycat> I am not even going to look at that. It's on shithub. So I will just assume it's wrong.
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3695 [22:19:08] <larvallid> does it mean the kernel has crashed if Alt+PrntScr+B doesn't do anything?
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3700 [22:20:57] <azzamsa> Is this right if I separate the functions in bashrc to .functions, export to .export and I source it in .bash_profile ?
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3702 [22:21:11] <azzamsa> but that's works.
3703 [22:21:28] <azzamsa> the only thing I stuck is my PS! does not change :(
3704 [22:21:40] <azzamsa> greycat: I will try you suggestion.
3705 [22:22:08] <azzamsa> so the right thing is i put something like .bash_profile, if it exists, should dot in ~/.bashrc
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3708 [22:22:49] <azzamsa> if [ -f ~/.bashrc ]; then . ~/.bashrc fi
3709 [22:22:58] <azzamsa> in .bash_profile
3710 [22:23:13] <greycat> good
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3712 [22:23:43] <greycat> And most people choose to put PS1 into their .bashrc instead of exporting it.
3713 [22:25:22] <azzamsa> greycat: year ago I share the attitude of online code hosting rating by fsf to my friends, and github get F rating. gilab C and so on. if I could ask, where do you prefer to put your project ?
3714 [22:25:28] <azzamsa> I sorrry, before.
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3716 [22:25:53] <azzamsa> *I am sorry, before.
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3719 [22:26:14] <greycat> On my home page, because I'm not some loser with no home.
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3722 [22:27:52] <azzamsa> greycat: :) thanks lot for the help
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3742 [22:35:45] <jhutchins_wk> I always considered this pretty authoratative: replaced-url
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3744 [22:36:03] <jhutchins_wk> These days I work on enough different systems that I don't tend to do much customization.
3745 [22:36:12] <CyberaX> ;)
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3755 [22:38:20] <Silmaril> hum, look like my problem on the raspbian is related to a simple fact of mis-configured ipv6 service ...
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3757 [22:39:06] <greycat> jhutchins_wk: I find that even the default Debian PS1 is too big.
3758 [22:39:34] <greycat> I use PS1='\h:\w\$ '
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3760 [22:40:12] <teraflops> there's no problem hosting your code or dotfiles in gh/gl, the internet is full of shit, not just those sites. also people trying to copypaste config files without understanding them is another matter. anyway calling looser to massive amount of people that use those sites looks pretty crappy attitude
3761 [22:40:12] <n4dir> PS1="user " (well, or ROOT).
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3780 [22:49:35] <jhutchins_wk> I did some useful customizations when I was starting out, only working on my own home PC, but these days I log in to hundreds and have had to train myself to expect the default environment, with reasonable acomodations.
3781 [22:50:15] <jhutchins_wk> There are a couple of my customizations that did get adopted into a major distribution, which I find amusing.
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3784 [22:50:35] <jhutchins_wk> (I don't use them any more myself.)
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3786 [22:51:38] <g105b> Hi guys, is it possible to add something to the wpa_supplicant.conf file to run a bash script when the connection is made? I have a script that configures the wpa_supplicant.conf file and I wish to run a command on first connection, without having to edit any other files?
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3815 [23:06:18] <jhutchins_wk> g105b: That kind of thing usually goes in ifup-* files.
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3832 [23:12:19] <hanasaki> booting the live image of debian 901 goes to grub fine. any thoughts why selecting live boot says bad magic number? verified w/ 2 pc's and two usb sticks
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3843 [23:16:51] <g105b> jhutchins: yeah I am aware of that, but I only have the ability to edit wpa_supplicant.conf, I wondered if there was any way to do it in this file?
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3851 [23:19:23] <nibiru> hi
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3853 [23:19:30] <nibiru> i have old motherboard with PCI-e x16 slot! Can i place a new videocard with PCI-e 3.0 x16 in my old MB?
3854 [23:20:06] <ChunkzZ> nibiru: ask in ##hardware
3855 [23:20:14] <nibiru> k
3856 [23:20:32] <ChunkzZ> k
3857 [23:20:33] <`Kevin> nibiru: you should be ok but you should be aware of the PCIE version for that mobo/cpu
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3860 [23:20:41] <`Kevin> nibiru: other than that offtopic :)
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3868 [23:23:29] <duckx0r> I'm trying to upgrade my Debian server, and the changes only list "upgraded" packages, no newly installed or removed, however it says that after the changes 16.7 GB of disk space will be freed (replaced-url
3869 [23:23:29] <duckx0r> me. And if not, why would it say it's going to free space when it's actually not? Is this a bug with apt somehow?
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3875 [23:25:46] <Aebian> can I force colors and fonts for a ssh connection on the server? ^^ So even whats configured on the client side, the server will override it
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3882 [23:27:20] <jmcnaught> duckx0r: are you going from wheezy to jessie? Do you have backups?
3883 [23:28:15] <jmcnaught> Aebian: not sure what you mean, but bash is configured the same way for remote servers as you would configure it locally.
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3885 [23:29:15] <kingsley> FYI: A faster sort: replaced-url
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3887 [23:29:30] <Aebian> well I have a z-shell on my server and also a irssi session. If you don't configure your local terminal and connect with defaults then irssi looks like crap (in terms of colors and font) and I want to skip the local configure part and just set it serverside
3888 [23:29:43] <jmcnaught> duckx0r: the usermin and webmin packages, those must be from a third party repository. what happens if you try (but do not complete) an upgrade with the non-Debian repos commented out?
3889 [23:29:48] <Aebian> if thats possible
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3892 [23:31:31] <jmcnaught> Aebian: oh i see what you mean. that would be a feature of whatever terminal emulator you're using. gnome-terminal does have profiles, but i don't know if they can be paired with specific ssh connections. Maybe there's another terminal that does…
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3898 [23:33:11] <Aebian> well main reason for it is my android phone which has limited capabilities in terms of terminal customizing
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3901 [23:33:30] <Aebian> so if that gets handled server side that would be neat
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3912 [23:41:47] <hanasaki> any reason why the netinstall boot CD for deb9 would fail to boot on a pc and on a virt-manager setup?
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3925 [23:49:10] <SwK> can someone point me in the right direction for the signing requirements for deb 9 apt repos? apt-secure(8) while useful doesnt tell you key strength and such required
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3941 [23:59:30] <duckx0r> jmcnaught, sorry, delayed answer. No I'm not changing distros. Just a regular `apt-get dist-upgrade`. I'll try commenting out non-Debian repos to see what happens.
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