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50 [00:06:12] <ewew> !ops nick spam
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144 [00:08:41] <jaggz> kewl
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152 [00:09:06] <jaggz> I wonder what they accomplish.. do they gather racists?
153 [00:09:14] <abrotman> getting you to talk about it ..
154 [00:09:16] <abrotman> moving on
155 [00:09:23] <jaggz> nod
156 [00:09:27] <ssarah> shweet
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162 [00:10:57] <Limebyte> wow
163 [00:11:02] <Limebyte> so Debian turned brown now?
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165 [00:11:15] <ChunkzZ> Limebyte: ?
166 [00:11:17] <random_numbers> gry: I think this convinced me to install that filtering script.
167 [00:11:32] * timeless <3 irccloud -- retroactive ignore
168 [00:11:40] <abrotman> seriously, move on ..
169 [00:11:41] <ryouma> do those spams even work?
170 [00:11:49] <random_numbers> ryouma: Probably not.
171 [00:11:50] <draeath> jaggz, kind of looked like a botnet command
172 [00:11:51] <dax> no
173 [00:11:51] <abrotman> If you want to talk about spam, try ###talkaboutspam or some crap
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176 [00:12:05] <draeath> which makes it even more dumb
177 [00:12:07] <abrotman> ...
178 [00:12:24] <random_numbers> The filter script I'm going on about is just something that prevents highlighting me if there's more than five nicks in the post.
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180 [00:12:47] <strive> Racist issues...
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182 [00:13:07] <SuperTramp83> jaggz, do imbeciles ever need a motive?
183 [00:13:25] <abrotman> jesus .. you seriously must have something better to talk about
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190 [00:16:12] <johnjay> is it normal behavior for apt-get to download all packages for install, then install them one by one?
191 [00:16:19] <abrotman> yes
192 [00:16:20] <sussudio> with all the portscanning freenode does when you connect to an irc server, it sure lets all these socks5-proxy using bots through easily...
193 [00:16:25] <abrotman> unfortunately
194 [00:16:32] <abrotman> OMG, sussudio !
195 [00:16:40] <ChunkzZ> How do I search on here for a package?
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197 [00:16:51] <abrotman> ChunkzZ: with what terms?
198 [00:16:58] <ChunkzZ> Yeah
199 [00:17:11] <johnjay> hmm. so when updating with apt-get you need to calculate space of the packages PLUS space they take up?
200 [00:17:12] <abrotman> no, I mean, how would you like to search? name? desc? etc
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203 [00:17:39] <ChunkzZ> Oh, sorry. Just the name abrotman...
204 [00:18:06] <johnjay> thankfully I barely have that
205 [00:18:25] <abrotman> ChunkzZ: I don't think you can, but you can use packages.debian.org/<partialname>
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207 [00:19:00] <johnjay> abrotman: since ChunkzZ brought it up, is there a list of commonly installed debian packages somewhere?
208 [00:19:00] <ChunkzZ> Thanks abrotman
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210 [00:19:10] <abrotman> johnjay: there are package priorities
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212 [00:19:18] <timeless> johnjay: yes
213 [00:19:36] <timeless> you could probably write a solver that behaved differently, but then you wouldn't be using apt
214 [00:19:39] <johnjay> i mean i don't mind having to install emacs manually every time i install a new deb system.
215 [00:19:41] <timeless> you'd be using dpkg
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219 [00:19:57] <johnjay> but idk sometimes i can't guess the right package name for what i need
220 [00:20:25] <abrotman> ah, that's different
221 [00:20:34] <abrotman> johnjay: but you can search on the description, or on tags
222 [00:20:40] <timeless> i suppose that can be a serious problem on a tiny arduino or something similar
223 [00:20:51] <johnjay> abrotman: i always use apt-cache on the command line
224 [00:20:58] <johnjay> i think that's what it does
225 [00:21:04] <abrotman> johnjay: as do i
226 [00:21:08] <jmcnaught> johnjay: aptitude search is petty handy too
227 [00:21:14] <timeless> the other thing is that your apt-cache archive is probably big and can probably be pruned
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229 [00:21:28] <timeless> at least, for me, in the past it was when i was looking for things to delete to free space
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231 [00:21:37] <johnjay> timeless: yes i just figured that out lol
232 [00:21:40] <abrotman> debtags is interesting, assuming the tags are correct and exist
233 [00:21:50] <timeless> also, if your system is really low on space, i'd suggest a CIFS mount or similar
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236 [00:22:02] <timeless> have something else manage the cache volume
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238 [00:22:12] <timeless> since you don't need it for very long, it probably shouldn't be "local"
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242 [00:22:25] <johnjay> abrotman: wait package priority?
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244 [00:22:49] * timeless can't imagine package priority helping
245 [00:22:55] * timeless could be dead wrong
246 [00:23:09] <abrotman> you asked about commonly installed packages .. a few methods. priority is "extra, important, optional, required, standard" .. but you might want to look at debtags or popcon
247 [00:23:17] <abrotman> dpkg: tell johnjay about popcon
248 [00:23:45] <abrotman> popcon will actually show commonly installed packages, though it may be skewed due to system utilities, etc
249 [00:24:02] <johnjay> oh crap that's exactly what i need
250 [00:24:04] <abrotman> (interesting data to browse anyway)
251 [00:24:17] <johnjay> can I feed it directly into apt-get?
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253 [00:24:49] <johnjay> something like "get every package more popular than emacs" or "get everything on DVD1 and 2"?
254 [00:25:11] <abrotman> I'm sure you can find a way with some scripting
255 [00:25:46] <jmcnaught> the debian-goodies package also has a dpigs script which lists the largest installed packages
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257 [00:26:04] <random_numbers> For having done it before I could use a bouncer, using a proxy is actually quite straight-forward and easy.
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265 [00:29:33] <johnjay> random_numbers: idk what you're talking about, i've almost never gotten a proxy to work for *anything*
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267 [00:32:47] <random_numbers> johnjay: Someone earlier mentioned proxy filtering on freenode being a thing, bad as it may be.
268 [00:32:49] <random_numbers> I concurred.
269 [00:32:51] <Guest53366> johnjay: i use a couple in series (locally hosted) to clean up js and filtering domains/urls
270 [00:33:27] <Guest53366> johnjay: running that on a proxy avoids having to install adblockers on each client on the lan, for one
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278 [00:35:54] <johnjay> i still don't get why zlib1g-dev is called that. package names are a mystery to me
279 [00:36:37] <johnjay> Guest53366: that sounds fine i guess. is the proxy something you setup locally or something pay for?
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281 [00:39:04] <abrotman> johnjay: development package
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283 [00:41:20] <timeless> in general, -dev includes C header (.h) files or library (.sa) or minor build numbers (.so.x.y.z)
284 [00:41:40] <timeless> they help you build other things that depend on the main package
285 [00:42:07] <timeless> replaced-url
286 [00:42:10] <timeless> ^ that covers it
287 [00:43:23] <johnjay> ah ok timeless thanks
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289 [00:43:49] <armin> i've actually seen many developers who find the concept of delivering header files seperately wrong. i don't have a strong opinion about it.
290 [00:43:52] <timeless> fwiw, debian's docs are actually quite good (i've been recently pissed at a couple of other vendor's for their awful documentation)
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303 [00:49:33] <gr8> hi folks, during upgrading to Stretch and unpacking of packages, I got an error because the partition is full, and there are 7GB in /var/cache/apt. Is there something in there that I can delete?
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307 [00:50:25] <johnjay> gr8: too bad you can't scroll up a few minutes. :D
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313 [00:51:52] <johnjay> dpkg: tell gr8 about apt-get clean
314 [00:52:34] <gr8> can I do it during the unpacking phase??
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316 [00:52:51] <johnjay> sadly that's what i was asking about
317 [00:52:53] <Guest53366> johnjay: can be both. you can run polipo, privoxy locally and enforce it for your LAN. corporate LAN's do that, for example. or you can pay a proxy in another country to relocate, or usually to hide your home IP. in the old days, my isp suggested to use their caching proxy to avoid interconnect fees for them
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323 [00:53:18] <Guest53366> so many different uses..
324 [00:53:24] <johnjay> Guest53366: well i have open-wrt on my router, i'd prefer to do it there if possible
325 [00:53:32] <johnjay> didn't realize corporate LANs did that standard
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331 [00:54:34] * johnjay is a lowly peasant and does not know how the nobles live
332 [00:54:42] <draeath> Well not standard. but it's common. Net nannies need a proxy to work :) next time you're on your office box, inspect the google SSL cert *real* closely and you might find it's a spoof signed by an appliance, and installed into your local trust
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334 [00:55:14] <draeath> I'll leave you with that nightmare, it's time to go home :)
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338 [00:57:11] <Violinist> heays
339 [00:57:24] <Violinist> wher i put apps for my user
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341 [00:57:47] <Violinist> like i downloaded postman but it came as a folder with sh script lol
342 [00:57:54] <Violinist> its not a .deb
343 [00:58:09] <Violinist> even i can package a .deb
344 [00:58:18] <Violinist> aparently google cant
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351 [01:01:51] <random_numbers> draeth's DPI MitM is sadly a thing.
352 [01:02:14] <random_numbers> *draeath
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354 [01:02:44] <budder> hello all, is there a way to upgrade to stretch from jessie? or is a complete install necessary?
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356 [01:03:23] <random_numbers> You can upgrade.
357 [01:03:35] <random_numbers> looking up the link...
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360 [01:03:58] <ryouma> budder: there is a guide
361 [01:04:27] <random_numbers> replaced-url
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375 [01:07:40] <gr8> ok it works now, just a few MB were missing which I freed up
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378 [01:08:24] <johnjay> ryouma: reboot is only necessary when doing a dist-upgrade right?
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380 [01:08:31] <budder> ryouma: random_numbers as a beginner who is still learning linux, would you recommend to upgrade from within jessie or to reinstall to stretch?
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384 [01:10:33] <ryouma> to me, it's quite annoying to merge /etc files, set up accounts, and so on. by upgrading, you can attempt to not do that. if the upgrade fails, you can get help here, file bugs, or reinstall as a last resort
385 [01:10:36] <random_numbers> budder: If you didn't mess with system internals, I'd recommend just backuping, following the release guidelines and upgrading.
386 [01:10:49] <random_numbers> What ryouma said.
387 [01:10:52] <jmcnaught> budder: being able to upgrade between releases is one of Debian's major strengths. Do a backup, follow the instructions in the release notes, and you should be fine
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390 [01:14:47] <budder> alright thanks
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395 [01:16:00] <jmcnaught> it's a good idea to read through the instructions once befor you start, so you know roughly what to expect. if you run into troubles, the people here will help
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401 [01:18:41] <johnjay> do /etc/ files get clobbered?
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404 [01:20:02] <jmcnaught> only if they piss of the thing
405 [01:20:16] <gr8> ok when I run apt-get now, it tells me a huge list of things that have been automatically installed and are no longer needed. Among them libreoffice, uhm...
406 [01:20:16] <jmcnaught> s/of/off/ # i need a new keyboard
407 [01:20:55] <jmcnaught> gr8: sounds like you removed a metapackage for your desktop environment
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410 [01:22:28] <gr8> uhm, ok no just libreoffice-gtk, the real libreoffice is still installed
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434 [01:35:39] <johnjay> what i meant earlier is zlib1g seems very cryptic
435 [01:35:43] <johnjay> and like it might change
436 [01:35:53] <johnjay> meaning from one release to the next i have no idea what packages are called what
437 [01:36:15] <johnjay> this popularity package hopefully helps a bit
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449 [01:43:01] <budder> hey so I ran apt-get upgrade and then apt-get dist-upgrade but I don't think anything has changed. I also restarted and no difference. Still says Debian 8 Jessie
450 [01:43:11] <afidegnum> i have iptables and successfuly applied the rules but when i tried restartging it i have this error Failed to restart iptables.service: Unit iptables.service not found how can i fix it ?
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452 [01:44:09] <gry> afidegnum, do I help you here or at ##linux, how do you prefer?
453 [01:44:37] <afidegnum> ok, linux
454 [01:44:42] <gry> afidegnum, ubuntu is not supported here btw, so let's do that
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456 [01:44:50] <glick> hey how come theres no chromium browser?
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459 [01:45:10] <afidegnum> ok, thx
460 [01:45:13] <gry> `v chromium-browser
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462 [01:45:20] <mutante> glick: there is? i have it installed as "chromium"
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464 [01:45:37] <missmbob> ,v chromium
465 [01:45:38] <judd> Package: chromium on amd64 -- wheezy: 37.0.2062.120-1~deb7u1; wheezy-security: 37.0.2062.120-1~deb7u1; jessie-security: 57.0.2987.98-1~deb8u1; jessie: 57.0.2987.98-1~deb8u1; buster: 59.0.3071.86-1; stretch: 59.0.3071.86-1; sid: 59.0.3071.104-1
466 [01:45:46] <glick> is it part of mainline?
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468 [01:46:56] <mutante> glick: yes? We're currently working through a backlog of Ethereum withdrawals. Recent or new sent transactions may remain pending longer than expected.
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470 [01:47:06] <mutante> glick: sorry, replaced-url
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472 [01:47:31] <glick> ether
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474 [01:47:36] <glick> mmmmm
475 [01:47:46] <dax> mEth
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480 [01:48:19] <mutante> glick: lol, it just started going up again and coinbase had an outage.. coincidences..
481 [01:48:35] <glick> yeah i saw the coinbase outage
482 [01:48:49] <glick> i still ahve all my coin on coinbase i need to put it in a thin wallet
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484 [01:49:07] <johnjay> what's a thin wallet?
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486 [01:49:17] <mutante> glick: i just did that.. Trezor
487 [01:49:20] <johnjay> like a paper wallet?
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489 [01:49:34] <glick> its a wallet where you dont have to download the entire blockchain johnjay
490 [01:49:57] <johnjay> ah ok. all i know is they are voting on some kind of new standard which will make the blockchain smaller
491 [01:50:01] <johnjay> or something
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504 [01:55:45] <glick> the block chain is about 30 gigs
505 [01:57:31] <random_numbers> And still bloatin.g
506 [01:57:53] <random_numbers> Automated transactions picking up will rapidly bloat it faster than storage becomes available, at the current rate.
507 [01:57:57] <budder> where can I find my usb drive in terminal?
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509 [01:58:11] <random_numbers> budder: `lsblk` `lsusb`
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512 [01:58:47] <Tramp> glick: 120 rather
513 [01:59:39] <budder> random_numbers: thnx
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522 [02:02:25] <budder> random_numbers: i copied a file to the usb drive but it doesn't show up
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527 [02:03:25] <random_numbers> Did you mount it first?
528 [02:04:03] <budder> random_numbers: i removed it and reinserted it and now I see it
529 [02:04:16] <budder> but how can I change directy to the USB? from what directory do I find it?
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532 [02:04:31] <random_numbers> You need to mount it. Let's say it's /dev/sdb, `mount /dev/sdb /media/mymountpoint`
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534 [02:05:10] <random_numbers> If you know the UUID you can also go `mount /dev/disk/by-uuid/1234-this-is-totally-a-uuid /media/mymountpoint`
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542 [02:11:45] <forcerecon> what is the easiest way to take a screenshot of your desktop
543 [02:11:54] <forcerecon> qvm-move-to-vm targevtmtogetthescreenshot /path/to/screenshot.png
544 [02:11:57] <forcerecon> is that accurate
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546 [02:12:10] <budder> what are the 2 packages that are not installed by default? the ones that are missing? one is wifi and one is something else? i'm asking because I forgot to write them down and I will need to install them later
547 [02:12:50] <TomG2> forcerecon, not sure what qvm is, one way to get a screenshot is with xwd, man xwd... and then you have to change the format to png or whatever
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555 [02:16:36] <random_numbers> Not sure. I use `scrot`
556 [02:16:41] <random_numbers> Which is not installed by default
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566 [02:21:50] <forcerecon> scrot is awesome!
567 [02:21:53] <forcerecon> thanks
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569 [02:22:02] <budder> what are the 2 packages that need to be added after installation?
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572 [02:24:16] <budder> "failed to install grub boot loader on hard disk"
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575 [02:25:51] <budder> "Unable to install GRUB in dummy" "Executing 'grub-install dummy' failed." "This is a fatal error." what do I do? I can "go back" or "continue"
576 [02:26:24] <budder> i'm dual booting on a windows machine
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595 [02:32:11] <pagz> hi, looking at doing a clean install on a desktop with an ssd (127gb) + 2 hdd (3tb) each during install should i simply place / on the ssd and /home on one of the hdds ?
596 [02:33:22] <Mathisen> pagz, that is realy upp to you
597 [02:34:47] <mutante> i guess personally i would just put the whole / incl. home on that SSD since 127 GB is quite a bit.. and then have the HDDs extra on /mnt/tank or /srv/backups or something
598 [02:34:59] <mutante> it all depends what you havae
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600 [02:36:34] <Mathisen> budder, if grub-install fail, you kinda forced to go rescue and manual try to install
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602 [02:38:09] <Tonk> R O C K in the USA!
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607 [02:40:11] <random_numbers> forcerecon: Enjoy. Lurk in desktop threads on imageboards or linux.org.ru, there's a lot of neat recommendations like it.
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609 [02:41:11] <pagz> might be overthinking it just doing a little reading few suggestions say to minamize the amount of writing to an ssd ie have /var /swap /home on a hdd not an ssd
610 [02:41:39] <random_numbers> Hah. An SSD will die way after an HDD nowadays.
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612 [02:42:00] <random_numbers> Most can stand to have exabytes written. Though they're only guaranteed for a few hundred terabytes iirc.
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615 [02:44:37] <Mathisen> im not agreeing on the point that an ssd lives longer then a hdd
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617 [02:45:13] <Mathisen> and on top if hdd fails you usaly get warnings and kinda easy to recover data, can be a pain to recover from a broken ssd
618 [02:45:23] <Laserburn> so stretch broke my apache2 php
619 [02:45:39] <Laserburn> is this a known issue, and if so, anyone got a quick fix?
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621 [02:45:56] <mutante> Laserburn: replace all mysql_ functtions with mysqli or PDO.. and yes
622 [02:46:33] <Laserburn> say what dude
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624 [02:46:45] <mutante> (not sure about 'quick' heh, but it's been deprecated for a long time so should have ideally happened long time before)
625 [02:48:34] <mutante> Laserburn: also, replace Apache 2.2 "Allow from all" syntax and similar with Apache 2.4 "Require all granted" . i was just guessing at the mysql_ issue, but that is it, right?
626 [02:48:50] <Laserburn> no dude
627 [02:49:01] <Laserburn> i found the problem
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629 [02:49:20] <mutante> well then you need to get more specific than "broke", but cool that you found it
630 [02:49:28] <Laserburn> there was no php anything symlinked from mods-enabled to mods-available
631 [02:49:33] <Laserburn> that was a strange guess man
632 [02:49:45] <mutante> actually no, since it's super common
633 [02:49:50] <Laserburn> ok
634 [02:49:53] <mutante> and i had to do it multiple times
635 [02:49:59] <mutante> but anyways, it works for you . cool :)
636 [02:50:01] <Laserburn> I assume for php software you wrote
637 [02:50:10] <Laserburn> I don't write php code, I only consume it :D
638 [02:50:13] <mutante> for anything that still uses mysql_* and yes
639 [02:50:23] <Laserburn> so my nextcloud install was not working
640 [02:50:52] <Laserburn> kind of a wonky upgrade to stretch with php here
641 [02:51:03] <Laserburn> it also did not install any php modules I had installed on 5
642 [02:51:07] <Laserburn> for 7
643 [02:51:15] <Laserburn> wonder if the team would consider that a bug
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646 [02:52:26] <random_numbers> Mathisen: Mechanical parts will fail sooner than an average user will write exabytes.
647 [02:52:40] <random_numbers> Mathisen: Additionally, HDDs are far more likely to fail in laptops than SSDs.
648 [02:52:58] <Laserburn> quick poll: has anyone in here ever had an SSD fail on them yet?
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650 [02:53:11] <Laserburn> aside from known firmware issues that have been resolved
651 [02:53:14] * random_numbers can't afford them
652 [02:53:34] <Mathisen> i have had ssd fail on me
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655 [02:54:03] <Laserburn> I've only had a couple and they have been extremely stable
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658 [02:55:16] <mutante> Laserburn: you can now install "php-cli", it's a dependency package that pulls php7.0-cli. since php5-cli is gone. just saying you don't have to rely on the exact version anymore. it's similar for other php module (php-curl / php7.0-curl etc)
659 [02:55:53] <Laserburn> ok cool
660 [02:56:05] <Laserburn> I used the 7 packages to grab them since I wasn't sure if they would refer to 7 or 5
661 [02:56:32] <Laserburn> stretch also broke nagios3 for me
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663 [02:56:33] <mutante> afaict 5 is just gone completely and it's all 7 now, but more future-proof to use the generic ones i guess
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665 [02:57:00] <mutante> re: nagios. i think it's just time to replace it with Icinga
666 [02:57:21] <Laserburn> hmm
667 [02:57:24] <Laserburn> will check it out
668 [02:57:25] <mutante> at least the config should be compatible
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670 [02:57:33] <Laserburn> I have a pretty extensive nagios config going
671 [02:57:43] <Laserburn> got some nrpe hosts out there etc
672 [02:57:45] <mutante> i _think_ you can just reuse it
673 [02:57:48] <Laserburn> ok
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678 [02:59:43] <Laserburn> well, it's certainly prettier than Nagios
679 [02:59:58] <Laserburn> Dashboard is more informational at a glance
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688 [03:03:51] <forcerecon> what is the top choice for backing up your system once you get it where you want it
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691 [03:05:37] <Laserburn> rsync to another machine
692 [03:06:05] <Laserburn> and then rsync that to another one
693 [03:06:16] <Laserburn> and so on until you no longer require central heat in your house
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695 [03:06:23] <Mathisen> lol
696 [03:07:35] <forcerecon> hahaha funny ;/ I do have one more error that I would like to tie up before a backup
697 [03:07:36] <forcerecon> replaced-url
698 [03:07:47] <forcerecon> maybe tomorrow we can fix this one?
699 [03:08:51] <Mathisen> i have had that error also on some machines with luks
700 [03:09:45] <Mathisen> but in the end it found and worked
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702 [03:11:52] <random_numbers> Rsync and Duplicity are pretty those I'd go for. Mainly duplicity has parity management, which I care a lot about because I can't afford enough harddrives to make brtfs or zfs practical.
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704 [03:12:03] <random_numbers> s/pretty/pretty much/
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708 [03:14:34] <Mathisen> Duplicity is nice, encrypted backup dont hurt :)
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710 [03:16:22] <weirdbunny> hi guys
711 [03:16:27] <weirdbunny> Does anyone know of any specialist wifi channel?
712 [03:16:41] <random_numbers> Ah yeah, feature can be used too. I tend to backup to encrypted drives so I don't.
713 [03:16:59] <Mathisen> weirdbunny, think you need to refine that question.. specify more
714 [03:17:04] <random_numbers> #wireless is one.
715 [03:17:22] <weirdbunny> oh sorry
716 [03:18:01] <weirdbunny> channel info wireless
717 [03:18:24] <weirdbunny> tnkx random
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720 [03:20:13] <forcerecon> Mathisen: thanks.. so forego the error? It does work... so Rsync or Duplicity.. they all back up to a external drive and create a recovery option
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723 [03:21:44] <Mathisen> forcerecon, im not qualifed to say if you should ignore error or not. i did but on personal machine, if you got important stuff maybe not ignore it
724 [03:22:23] <Mathisen> rsync just copies/sync directorys from one place to another and it does suport incremental copy
725 [03:22:25] <forcerecon> Thanks mate.. I will see if I can find any information on it or if someone has fixed it already
726 [03:22:33] <Mathisen> duplicity does have all included
727 [03:22:43] <forcerecon> replaced-url
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729 [03:22:51] <forcerecon> I am reading now.. thanks so much
730 [03:23:00] <random_numbers> You can backup to the same drive too if you feel like it.
731 [03:23:09] <random_numbers> :p
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734 [03:24:21] <forcerecon> is this available through apt-get
735 [03:24:25] <forcerecon> duplicity
736 [03:24:32] <forcerecon> or have to load the tar
737 [03:25:10] <forcerecon> wow I can backup to dropbox or amazon S3
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739 [03:27:03] <Mathisen> yes you can get inte from apt
740 [03:27:28] <Mathisen> you want deja-dup also if you planing on gui
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743 [03:27:59] <nhdnn> somebody help debian stretch says ROOT ACCESS DISABLED
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746 [03:28:40] <jim> what are you trying to do when it says that? (exact text of command line please)
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749 [03:30:04] <jim> or not... and the consequence being, we won't really understand
750 [03:30:21] <nhdnn> after installing debian 9 cinnamon, i cannot access root... password not accepted
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753 [03:31:26] <jim> ok, what are you typing your password into?
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757 [03:31:30] <mutante> so it's already 2 different errrors in 2 lines
758 [03:31:44] <mutante> one was "disabled" the other "password not accepted". what was it really?
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761 [03:32:58] <nhdnn> its like your car key cannot open your car lock because the lock is disabled
762 [03:33:16] <mutante> we still haven't seen the exact command line or error message though
763 [03:33:38] <nhdnn> the root password does not work
764 [03:33:43] <Mathisen> hehe
765 [03:33:45] * mutante gives up
766 [03:34:28] <jim> probably it's more like a neighborhood car that each person has a different key to, and there's a master key which is only accepted after a community member gets inside the car
767 [03:34:30] <Mathisen> nhdnn, pls understand what they are asking. exactly what are you doing when it does not work... command in terminal ? loging in to X ? what
768 [03:35:15] <nhdnn> command in terminal.... i write -> su
769 [03:35:18] <mutante> the car might have one of those breathalizer keys
770 [03:35:30] <nhdnn> terminal asks password
771 [03:35:40] <jim> so to continue that analogy, which outer lock did you try to open
772 [03:35:43] <nhdnn> the password does not work
773 [03:36:03] <nhdnn> STFU robot!
774 [03:36:05] <mutante> nhdnn: so it says "sorry, password does not work" ?
775 [03:36:06] <jim> did you set up something like sudo?
776 [03:36:25] <Mathisen> nhdnn, quick question you are using debian right ? not ubuntu where only sudo is working as default
777 [03:36:48] <Mathisen> nhdnn, if you for example run " sudo passwd root " then su
778 [03:36:59] <nhdnn> sudo does not work because sudoers list cannot be accessed by root yet
779 [03:37:21] <nhdnn> debian stretch 9
780 [03:37:34] <nhdnn> 64 bit cinnamon
781 [03:38:15] <nhdnn> i cannot access root because my root password is not accepted
782 [03:38:16] <jim> to continue the analogy further, it can be arranged that the master key is accepted by a specific community member, or a small subset of all members
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785 [03:39:18] <jim> s/by/from/
786 [03:39:24] <nhdnn> so tell mothafukers who release debian stretch DO NOT RELEASE FUKIN SHT
787 [03:39:43] <mutante> nhdnn: why are you trying sooo hard to avoid pasting the output
788 [03:40:04] <jim> I'm running stretch too, and it's not doing that to me
789 [03:40:22] <nhdnn> cos fukin i spent 3 hours to install the mothafukers debian 9
790 [03:40:31] <apollojustice> git gud
791 [03:40:34] <apollojustice> essentially
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793 [03:40:49] <apollojustice> don't break stuff and blame the software
794 [03:41:54] <jim> (but I upgraded jessie to stretch, not installed stretch fresh)
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798 [03:42:08] <apollojustice> get into the recovery shell (if you have it in GRUB or whatever bootloader), fix sudoers, and try again
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801 [03:42:33] <Mathisen> can reset root pass also that way
802 [03:43:12] <Mathisen> init=/bin/bash
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804 [03:44:00] <nhdnn> which file is that?
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806 [03:44:23] <mutante> replaced-url
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809 [03:45:03] <nhdnn> i want to know which mothafaka released the debian stretch 9
810 [03:45:19] <nhdnn> need the name
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812 [03:45:29] <dvs> nhdnn, all 1000 of them?
813 [03:45:36] <Mathisen> :)
814 [03:46:01] <nhdnn> yesterday cd not readed
815 [03:46:01] <dondelelcaro> nhdnn: replaced-url
816 [03:46:15] <nhdnn> today root pw not working
817 [03:46:34] <apollojustice> "blame the devs"
818 [03:46:34] <apollojustice> rite
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821 [03:47:25] <mutante> nhdnn: i'll stop looking up links for you. smoke some weed, walk around the block, then get to resettng the password
822 [03:47:27] <nhdnn> i want to know the name of mothafaka released this debian torrent hash: 1d56ff85370e69d229f7a5795f4e713921caf0fd
823 [03:47:46] <apollojustice> i released it
824 [03:47:46] <apollojustice> fam
825 [03:48:10] <nhdnn> if true fak yo mama then
826 [03:48:16] <apollojustice> lul
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828 [03:48:48] <jim> I didn't know debian uses torrent
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833 [03:49:55] <jim> btw maybe you should dial down the rampant disrespect
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836 [03:51:02] <jim> these people (and I) are trying to help you, and you're wearing out your welcome
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895 [04:23:26] <r0bby> Some people have small dicks
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916 [04:38:16] <boink___> hi everyone
917 [04:38:35] <boink___> I need a bit of help with a debian server my hosting company is using
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921 [04:39:13] <boink___> I asked them to install wkhtmltopdf so I can do some pdfing on my site. I call the program using exec in php
922 [04:39:45] <boink___> if i exec wkhtmltopdf -h I get the help messages back so path is ok
923 [04:40:08] <boink___> if i try to convert even the simplest hello world, what I get a 5.3MB binary file dumped next to my php
924 [04:40:19] <boink___> so i am here to ask what on earth is that file :)
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926 [04:40:32] <random_numbers> Possible. Is it rendering pdfs with text or text as image in pdf?
927 [04:40:42] <random_numbers> The latter doesn't compress nicely.
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931 [04:41:08] <one_over> has debian 9 come out yet
932 [04:41:11] <hanasaki> is package remmina available?
933 [04:41:13] <random_numbers> one_over: Yes.
934 [04:41:15] <hanasaki> one_over: yes
935 [04:41:34] <boink___> @random_numbers rendering html + svg + some pngs. they look well when I do it on my localhost
936 [04:41:35] <dvs> one_over, maybe
937 [04:42:02] <random_numbers> boink___: Also, why do you need to use it remotely?
938 [04:42:28] <random_numbers> If it's for a web-app, sure, but you should debug it locally.
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940 [04:42:51] <boink___> my site's visitors need to generate them. I've read about doing it on someother computer and then sending it back but I feel it would complicate things
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942 [04:43:58] <boink___> I should, i know but I don't have an extra pc to use with debian and it will take me a while to do so
943 [04:44:09] <boink___> my local examples work fine but i am on osx
944 [04:44:15] <random_numbers> I see. Well, anyway, I'm pretty sure it's a problem with execution flags.
945 [04:44:24] <random_numbers> Or environment variables.
946 [04:45:02] <boink___> even if i can run to command wkhtmltopdf -help could it be env. vars?
947 [04:45:32] <random_numbers> Possibly. Does the program read them at all in its run?
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950 [04:47:55] <boink___> my php code only needs that one. replaced-url
951 [04:48:41] <boink___> I am not sure about wkhtml when it does it's thing (sory, not the most linux savvy guy in the world)
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953 [04:52:19] <random_numbers> The man-page should mention that.
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955 [04:52:28] <boink___> will check, thanks
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1057 [06:12:49] <anku> when will BCM43142 have driver that lets it do on monitr mode?
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1111 [06:44:12] <dunderproto> the debian printer drivers work very well. I just set up one today and am quite pleased with it
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1114 [06:44:49] <Santa> hello everyone
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1117 [06:45:27] <Guest85850> can anyone knows the way of combining 3 dvds of debian iso's into one iso image
1118 [06:45:35] <dunderproto> thanks debian team
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1143 [06:59:14] <cheapie> SantaCloz: I never did find any good way to do it, but debian-cd tends to work rather well when you want to make custom images.
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1145 [06:59:43] <cheapie> (I made "the great big USB stick of Debian" with it once - *all* packages for sid on amd64 and i386, bootable and installable on both too)
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1148 [07:00:50] <SantaCloz> exit
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1201 [07:39:58] <dga> how do I get my touchpad to tap-click when gdm starts? it seems to only work only after i've logged in
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1226 [07:49:52] <darme> fontconfig out of the box is kinda ugly, infinality patch breaks other packages. how to make fonts look less ugly and not break packages?
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1237 [07:53:41] <lukas_gab> Hi, yesterday a was ask, but i haven't any concrete. My xrdp don't work, on Debian9. Please help me - this is what I see after login replaced-url
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1260 [08:07:07] <dga> how can I enable tap-to-click for my touchpad in gdm? (debian 9)
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1275 [08:17:39] <bumblebee> dga replaced-url
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1288 [08:26:39] <darxmurf> anybody is using nagios-nrpe-server on debian 9 ?
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1291 [08:27:23] <darxmurf> After the upgrade it's the check_nrpe is returning this SSL HandShake error
1292 [08:27:36] <darxmurf> tried to compile the 3.1.1 version from git but same issue
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1324 [08:43:03] <OS-29494> :S
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1330 [08:44:43] <xenia_gosda_> Hello folks. I have a small trouble with apt on Debian stable, I forgot to execute 'echo "vim hold" | dpkg --set-selections' before 'apt update'. How can I fix this and keep the older vim version?
1331 [08:46:20] <jscoder> xenia_gosda_: apt-get update just updates you package cache you can still pin
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1339 [08:48:10] <xenia_gosda_> jscoder, will it be sufficient to execute the 'echo ...' command now, apt update and in the end, apt upgrade?
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1344 [08:49:35] <jscoder> xenia_gosda_: apt-get update has nothing to do with this all that does is update the cache and holds/pins you must understand are not respected by other package managers like apitude or synaptoc
1345 [08:49:37] <Christoph_vW> darxmurf: the new openssl doesn't allow ADH anymore
1346 [08:50:02] <Christoph_vW> darxmurf: so you need to disable ssl or use a certificate now
1347 [08:50:11] <jscoder> xenia_gosda_: however yes you can still set pins or holds until you actually do the upgrade
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1351 [08:50:59] <jscoder> xenia_gosda_: are you doing a dist upgrade to a new release or just installing updates?
1352 [08:51:00] <darxmurf> huh okay
1353 [08:51:05] <Christoph_vW> darxmurf: or use a different way for checking like icinga2 over ssh
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1356 [08:51:21] <darxmurf> so, if I use the cert I have to update that on all my servers and all
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1361 [08:52:43] <Christoph_vW> and - debain 9 disabled ssl in the default config of nagios-nrpe-server
1362 [08:52:44] <darxmurf> and as some of them will not be upgraded, the check_nrpe will fail anyway with them as it's not compatible with old versions
1363 [08:53:13] <darxmurf> yep I saw that, and there is a comment explaining you have to check the nrpe.conf file before to enable it
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1365 [08:53:28] <jscoder> xenia_gosda_: because if you are doiing a dist upgrade say from jessie to stretch you will wind up with broken packages
1366 [08:53:29] <Christoph_vW> with ssl disabled in nrpe-server you will have to pass "-n" in the client as well to get it working without ssl
1367 [08:53:36] <darxmurf> yep
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1369 [08:53:45] <darxmurf> fook :-/
1370 [08:53:47] <xenia_gosda_> jscoder, dist upgrade to stretch, exactly.
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1372 [08:53:52] <Christoph_vW> I disabled ssl for now and will switch to icinga2 checks soon
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1377 [08:54:03] <Christoph_vW> bbl
1378 [08:54:07] <hoerup> hi
1379 [08:54:07] <darxmurf> I will have a look too
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1381 [08:54:38] <jscoder> xenia_gosda_: then if you absolutely need to keep vim at jessie version for some odd reason you need to hold more than just vim
1382 [08:54:47] <hoerup> when mounting a 30 TB nfs share from debian8 it only reports 16 MB - but debian9 sees all 30 TB
1383 [08:54:57] <darxmurf> so, for now I will keep this old version running
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1385 [08:55:19] <jscoder> ,depends vim jessie
1386 [08:55:20] <judd> Package vim in jessie/amd64 -- depends: vim-common (= 2:7.4.488-7+deb8u3), vim-runtime (= 2:7.4.488-7+deb8u3), libacl1 (>= 2.2.51-8), libc6 (>= 2.15), libgpm2 (>= 1.20.4), libselinux1 (>= 1.32), libtinfo5.
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1388 [08:55:25] <jscoder> ,depends vim
1389 [08:55:26] <judd> Package vim in stretch/amd64 -- depends: vim-common (= 2:8.0.0197-4), vim-runtime (= 2:8.0.0197-4), libacl1 (>= 2.2.51-8), libc6 (>= 2.15), libgpm2 (>= 1.20.4), libselinux1 (>= 1.32), libtinfo5 (>= 6).
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1392 [08:56:19] <jscoder> xenia_gosda_: ^^notice that some of the depends say >= and some say =
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1394 [08:56:50] <jscoder> xenia_gosda_: the depends that say = only must be held or the package will break
1395 [08:57:03] <darxmurf> Christoph_vW: you will keep nagios and mix that with icinga checks or migrate everything on icinga ?
1396 [08:57:07] <xenia_gosda_> jscoder, ah, I see. So I will hold vim-{common, runtime}.
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1399 [08:57:58] <jscoder> xenia_gosda_: i would recommend it.. though i dont see why youd need to keep vim at an old version.. its not like much will have changed
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1408 [08:59:34] <jscoder> xenia_gosda_: also if you are doing a release upgrade you use apt-get dist-upgrade as apt-get upgrade is for updates
1409 [09:00:07] <xenia_gosda_> jscoder, I have experienced difficulties with buffors in vim instances running in multiple terminal emulator instances.
1410 [09:00:23] <xenia_gosda_> Thanks for your precious help, I will do a dist-upgrade too, of course.
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1415 [09:02:34] <jscoder> xenia_gosda_: i would recommend filing a bug if you have this issue with vim in stretch
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1448 [09:13:37] <gr8> how can I find packages in debian that are installed but not inside any of the current apt repositories? I.e. that wouldn't be updated
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1462 [09:18:55] <hoerup> is it possible to use nfs-utils/nfs-common 1.3 on jessie
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1473 [09:21:46] <xenia_gosda_> gr8, check /var/lib/apt/lists/
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1476 [09:22:49] <gr8> xenia_gosda_: thanks I have found it that Synaptic can show "obsolete" packages which is what I want
1477 [09:22:54] <gr8> *found out
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1506 [09:36:57] <jente> hi, I need help understanding video playback with debian 9/Mate. I have an Intel Q35 chipset with on-board graphics GMA 3100 if I am not mistaken. It's not ideal but I know it can play 720p x264, hevc and even some 1080p files. When I am trying to play x264 files unscaled using mpv (vlc performance on all levels is terrible, didn't look into that), they work fine, but in fullscreen it get's choppy. x265 and
1507 [09:37:03] <jente> 1080p x264 files on the other hand play fine either way. This is my second install of debian 9 and I know it worked before, not at first, but something "happened" that made it work. All I did was install KDE, Cinnamon, Xfce, LXDE and Mate during the installation process, checked out Cinnamon, didn't like it, removed it via apt-get, tried different video players, mpv, vlc, Dragon Player. Performance wasn't
1508 [09:37:09] <jente> great in all but after testing Dragon Player with an 1080p file, terrible playback at first, something must have been set that enabled good video playback in mpv.
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1517 [09:39:57] <dga> how can I enable tap-to-click for my touchpad in gdm? (debian 9)
1518 [09:40:35] <jente> I remember there was tearing involved with unscaled video in mpv, but that was acceptable. Now there is no tearing but choppy playback in fullscreen
1519 [09:40:55] <nvz> dga: gdm is a display manager it has nothing to do with your touchpad settings
1520 [09:41:23] <dga> nvz: ok, how do i enable tap-to-click at the login screen?
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1522 [09:42:04] <nvz> dga: are you saying that it works AFTER you login?
1523 [09:42:09] <dga> yes
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1525 [09:42:58] <nvz> well then thats probably a bug in gdm because those settings are in the X server which are the same in gdm as in anywher e else
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1540 [09:52:16] <kathenas> Tap to click in GDM. See bug: replaced-url
1541 [09:52:17] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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1543 [09:52:59] <nvz> well i was right i guess, but dga left it seems
1544 [09:53:59] <nvz> i didnt answer the first time because the question made no sense, i didnt know if he meant gpm or what
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1557 [10:00:38] <maasha> where can I find a netinst iso for debian testing? (what is the code name of the new testingm, btw?)
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1560 [10:00:50] <kathenas> buster
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1563 [10:01:24] <maasha> buster, eh
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1566 [10:01:49] <maasha> !buster
1567 [10:01:49] <dpkg> The release following Debian 9 "Stretch" is codenamed "Buster" (Andy's pet Dachshund in Toy Story) and will be Debian 10. replaced-url
1568 [10:02:00] <faceman> why is debian better than ubuntu?
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1570 [10:02:20] <maasha> there is Rolex and then cheap copies
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1572 [10:02:51] <JPT> faceman: That really depends on your requirements. Just like a truck can be better/worse than a cabrio
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1574 [10:03:14] <faceman> what requirements would make debian more suitable than ubuntu-server?
1575 [10:03:15] <maasha> basically it is a balance between stability quality and access to newest stuff
1576 [10:03:16] <Ke> faceman: mostly you would not notice the difference
1577 [10:03:32] <kathenas> Sadly Debian 9 is a casio. :-/
1578 [10:03:40] <Kristjan55555> Hello! Hot 33 year old male from viljandi, estonia searching for husband, send me your cunt pictures first! Tel 37253902210 email: kristjan55555@mail.ee. I am waiting.....
1579 [10:03:40] <faceman> Ouch
1580 [10:03:54] <faceman> BANHAMMER!
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1583 [10:05:18] <maasha> kathenas: regression?
1584 [10:05:55] <faceman> I'm very new to IRC. I hear this is the spot where I can come ask questions that real knowledgeable individuals know how to answer
1585 [10:06:06] <faceman> fuck words
1586 [10:06:13] <zleap> faceman: hi
1587 [10:06:14] <faceman> Who's going to DEFCON?
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1590 [10:06:32] * rapha scrolls through the backlog and keeps shaking his head
1591 [10:06:47] <zleap> not planning to but i am sure debian does have a presense there
1592 [10:07:17] <faceman> how can I reply to you directly? e.g. a red username when I reply to you
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1597 [10:08:21] <tamiko> faceman: Then be advised that large channels like #debian usually operate a clean language policy.
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1599 [10:08:44] <kathenas> maasha: Live CD's did not work first time out. Second attempt has a console setup bug that if you use complex passwords it stops su to root. If on gnome you ude 'software-properties' you will screw apt up. 'modesetting' driver leads to window redraw issues on Intel hardware. etc.
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1601 [10:09:08] <kathenas> s/ude/use
1602 [10:09:09] <maasha> kathenas: I am trying the mini.iso in a virtual box now. so far so good
1603 [10:09:12] <Kristjan55555> Hello! Hot 33 year old male from viljandi, estonia searching for husband, send me your cunt pictures first! Tel 37253902210 email: kristjan55555@mail.ee. I am waiting.....
1604 [10:09:23] <faceman> tamiko: how can I reply to you directly?
1605 [10:09:38] <Kristjan55555> think
1606 [10:09:47] <zleap> face usually /msg <user> message
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1610 [10:10:24] <maasha> faceman: and in general dont pm people unless they ask you to
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1612 [10:10:59] <maasha> faceman: as it says in the topic: /msg bots NOT people
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1614 [10:11:38] <faceman> I really don't know how IRC works. It's my first 5 minutes
1615 [10:11:44] <Kristjan55555> Hello! Hot 33 year old male from viljandi, estonia searching for husband, send me your cunt pictures first! Tel 37253902210 email: kristjan55555@mail.ee. I am waiting.....
1616 [10:12:02] <tamiko> faceman: If you mean a hilight in achannel, you already did. If you mean a /query, or /msg - well look up how that works ;-)
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1618 [10:12:38] <maasha> faceman: yup, you will quickly pick up. 1) be friendly, 2) only ask sane questions
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1620 [10:12:50] <zleap> faceman: irc is just chat, but you can private message people, for the most part if you keep questions / responses public we all learn from that but also can contribute different viewpoints
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1623 [10:13:21] <zleap> my weechat columns are messed up, i need the text box to be wider
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1626 [10:13:41] <faceman> can you filter system messages on IRC?
1627 [10:13:51] <nvz> faceman: yes
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1630 [10:14:04] <maasha> faceman: depends on your client, but in general yes.
1631 [10:14:11] <tamiko> tomaw: /names
1632 [10:14:14] <Kristjan55555> Hello! Hot 33 year old male from viljandi, estonia searching for husband, send me your cunt pictures first! Tel 37253902210 email: kristjan55555@mail.ee. I am waiting.....
1633 [10:14:21] <faceman> I see more "XXX has qui | joined" than anything else
1634 [10:14:27] <bogus-> Kristjan55555: husbands don't have cunts
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1637 [10:14:32] <bogus-> *shooo*
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1639 [10:14:44] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o themill
1640 [10:14:46] <zleap> they are just messages people come and go
1641 [10:14:46] *** themill sets mode: +b *!*@82.131.38.122
1642 [10:14:47] <tamiko> tomaw: Excuse me - that was not intended. ^^^ I was meditating about pinging for some k-line action.
1643 [10:14:48] *** Kristjan55555 was kicked by themill (On the Internet nobody can hear you being subtle.)
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1646 [10:15:22] <faceman> So if I want to IRC successfully, do I have to watch all messages and filter manually?
1647 [10:15:28] <maasha> faceman: if you are connected via the webchat.freenode.net - then hit the burger icon and find the right setting
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1649 [10:15:29] <kathenas> maasha: 9 is Ok on bare metal, once you slap it about a bit and get rid of the few major issues. :-)
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1651 [10:16:12] <maasha> kathenas: I just lost by jessie image due to a windows crash that foiled by vdi file ...
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1653 [10:16:22] <Kyoshiro> hi, I'm running wheezy and I cherry picked libgnutls version from jessie for security/cipher upgrade. I added a default release wheezy to apt.conf.d, but security upgrades from security.debian.org jessie/updates are now proposed and trying to replace some wheezy packages. I tried adding pinning but I must have failed as it is still asking for upgrade to jessie/updates
1654 [10:16:24] <maasha> I hate windows
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1659 [10:17:01] <maasha> kathenas: so what are those issues? I thought that stable releases wasn't supposed to have issues
1660 [10:17:06] <nvz> faceman: basically. this discussion is offtopic for this channel you can /j #freenod or #debian-offtopic or msg me if you like but discussing offtopic issues in such a large volume channel make said filtering difficult for those on topic
1661 [10:17:10] <Kyoshiro> here is the pinning I configured : replaced-url
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1663 [10:17:54] <nvz> faceman: sorry #freenode
1664 [10:17:58] <Kyoshiro> can somebody tell me where I'm wrong ? I'd like to pin replaced-url
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1666 [10:18:22] <kathenas> maasha: Live ISO has a console-setup issue with special characters. So if you use complex passwords with / # & etc. You will not be able to suu to root and you brick your machine. More...
1667 [10:18:25] <themill> Kyoshiro: I think the word you are looking for is "unsupportable mess"
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1669 [10:18:32] <faceman> I found it! Filter all join/parts/quits! much easier to view now
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1671 [10:18:55] <Kyoshiro> themill, yeah I know but I can't do better yet, until I upgrade to stretch or find a workaround
1672 [10:19:10] <faceman> Thank you all
1673 [10:19:17] <themill> you don't need to upgrade to stretch, you could upgrade to jessie
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1675 [10:19:36] <kathenas> maasha: Under gnome if you use syanaptic or directly access 'software-properties', you will make apt fall over dumping out some odd warnings. Remove those packages and use apt on the CLI and all is good.
1676 [10:19:40] <Kyoshiro> strongswan update from wheezy to jessie broke support of my remote end's ike tunnels, they probably have a broken implementation but it doesn't work anymore with jessie :(
1677 [10:19:59] <Kyoshiro> so I can't or tunnels get dropped after a rekey
1678 [10:20:16] <themill> Kyoshiro: you don't have blank lines between the stanzas in your pinning and I don't think you can mix release and origin statements like that
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1680 [10:20:39] <Kyoshiro> it's 3 separate files in fact, I used cat on preferences.d/*
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1682 [10:20:50] <Kyoshiro> maybe the order is wrong ?
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1684 [10:20:58] <maasha> kathenas: oh, I would always use apt on CLI
1685 [10:21:02] <themill> order can be important. Look at the output of "apt-cache policy"
1686 [10:21:12] <Kyoshiro> ok let me check that
1687 [10:21:13] <kathenas> maasha: Whoever tested 'modesetting' on Intel graphics hardware, did it with their eyes closed. Resize a window like System monitor and you get redraw issues - garbled windows.
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1689 [10:21:46] <themill> kathenas: or, more likely, it's a hardware-specific problem
1690 [10:21:52] <maasha> kathenas: hmprh
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1692 [10:21:55] <kathenas> maasha: So do I, but we need to still test it for the newcomers and Windows users trying for a better life. ;-)
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1694 [10:22:30] <maasha> I got a better life loosing the xwindow ...
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1698 [10:23:28] <Kyoshiro> themill, replaced-url
1699 [10:23:40] <Kyoshiro> one security/jessie are in 100 but the other ones in 500
1700 [10:23:43] <cyfect> Hi. I'm trying to pass an SSH private key to OpenSSH from a variable in bash. `ssh -i <(echo "$KEY") ...` results in "Identity file /dev/fd/63 not accessible: No such file or directory." Does anyone have an idea why this is?
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1702 [10:24:20] <Kyoshiro> cyfect, ssh -i "$KEY"
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1704 [10:24:41] <cyfect> Kyoshiro: $KEY is not a path, it is the PEM encoded key itself
1705 [10:24:43] <Kyoshiro> where KEY contains the filename towards the private key
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1709 [10:25:28] <kathenas> themill: Maybe an issue, but certainly not faulty hardware here.
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1711 [10:25:55] <Kyoshiro> I think -i requires a file and cannot be used like that
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1715 [10:26:32] <cyfect> Kyoshiro: But isn't /dev/fd/63 a file?
1716 [10:26:43] <Kyoshiro> no it's a file descriptor
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1718 [10:26:55] <themill> Kyoshiro: hardware-specific doesn't mean faulty
1719 [10:27:15] <Kyoshiro> themill, what do you mean ?
1720 [10:27:27] <Kyoshiro> ah it was for kathenas ok
1721 [10:27:28] <themill> err
1722 [10:27:35] <themill> kathenas: hardware-specific doesn't mean faulty
1723 [10:27:37] <Kyoshiro> ^^
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1725 [10:28:36] <Kyoshiro> themill, any idea on why some sources are pinned 100 and some are 500 in replaced-url
1726 [10:28:39] <kathenas> themill: I know. I will come back to the issue later and debug. All a matter of tie and real life making me do other things.
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1728 [10:28:51] <kathenas> s/tie/time
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1730 [10:30:38] <themill> Kyoshiro: ignore the lines with Translation in them
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1732 [10:30:56] <Kyoshiro> oh ok :)
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1735 [10:31:54] <Kyoshiro> is order important in apt-cache policy too ?
1736 [10:32:23] <themill> check "apt-cache policy $package" for something you're worried about
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1738 [10:32:47] <Kyoshiro> ok
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1747 [10:38:07] <Kyoshiro> ah well it works in fact, it's just that dist-upgrade wants to install systemd now, but apt-get upgrade doesn't
1748 [10:38:10] <Kyoshiro> thanks themill
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1753 [10:39:25] <themill> sounds unsustainable...
1754 [10:39:29] <themill> good luck with it!
1755 [10:39:45] <Kyoshiro> yeah that should not stay like that long
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1757 [10:40:35] <Kyoshiro> thanks ^^
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1759 [10:41:15] <gr8> "this session is locked. You'll be redirected to the unlock dialog in a few seconds." <-- How long does it take?? Waiting for 1 Minute already
1760 [10:41:44] <cyfect> Kyoshiro: It turns out that OpenSSH closes file descriptors when it starts :-( So I went to creating a tempfile and deleting it with trap "..." EXIT
1761 [10:42:00] <petn-randall> gr8: Shouldn't take more than a second or so.
1762 [10:42:14] <gr8> had to kill light-locker. Why does it not work??
1763 [10:42:23] <Kyoshiro> cyfect, I suppose there is no other solution indeed, good luck ;)
1764 [10:42:48] <cyfect> Kyoshiro: It is disgusting :-(
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1768 [10:45:05] <cap0ne> hello! I am a debian user and i have a little problem, everytime i install software there is always warning "WARNING: Unknown distro but dpkg found, assuming Debian" and "insserv: warning: script 'K01nginx' missing LSB tags and overrides", what should i Do so the warning does not show up again, thanks
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1771 [10:47:08] <BCMM> cap0ne: do you have whatmaps installed?
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1773 [10:48:20] <cap0ne> Seems to be right, what's that effect?
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1775 [10:48:47] <BCMM> cap0ne: that's the hook that generates the first error message. do you have lsb-release installed?
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1777 [10:50:37] <cap0ne> that's right,What should I do?
1778 [10:51:11] <BCMM> cap0ne: you definitely have lsb-release? if you run `lsb_release -a` in the terminal, what do you get?
1779 [10:51:42] <BCMM> uh sorry, `lsb_release -id -s`
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1781 [10:52:25] <pldiem> hi, I have upgraded to Debian Stretch and now I am unable to install torbrowser-launcher, is there any way to do it?
1782 [10:52:46] <BCMM> cap0ne: i'm asking because the only thing that comes up on google for your error message is the whatmaps source code, and as far as i can see, it tries to determine the distro with lsb_release before falling back on the less accurate method you see in hte warning
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1785 [10:53:17] <petn-randall> ,v torbrowser-launcher
1786 [10:53:18] <judd> Package: torbrowser-launcher on amd64 -- wheezy-backports/contrib: 0.1.9-1+deb8u3~bpo70+1; jessie/contrib: 0.1.9-1+deb8u3; jessie-backports/contrib: 0.2.6-2~bpo8+1; sid/contrib: 0.2.7-2
1787 [10:53:50] <petn-randall> pldiem: IIRC it was removed from stretch, and the recommended way is to install it like documented on the tor website.
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1789 [10:54:49] <cap0ne> BCMM : yes, i have lsb_release. I found Kali
1790 [10:54:50] <cap0ne> Kali GNU/Linux Rolling in my terminal
1791 [10:55:04] <pldiem> petn-randall: thanks, let me check that, I tried with the backports, no luck
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1793 [10:55:24] <BCMM> cap0ne: i'm gonna ask a stupid question now; sorry about that. Did you install Debian, or did you install Kali?
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1797 [10:59:40] <cap0ne> Yes the problem is because I add debian wheezy repository to install tools, tapi reporistory itu sudah saya hapus dan saya memakai reporistory kali linux rolling ke asalnya :)
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1799 [11:00:10] <cap0ne> Yes the problem is because I add debian wheezy repository to install tools, But the repository that I have deleted and I use the repository linux rolling time to its origin :)
1800 [11:00:20] <cap0ne> i'm sorry
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1802 [11:01:07] <petn-randall> !kali
1803 [11:01:07] <dpkg> Kali Linux (replaced-url
1804 [11:01:10] <petn-randall> !frankendebian
1805 [11:01:10] <dpkg> When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. See if you can convince ##linux to help.
1806 [11:01:13] <petn-randall> cap0ne: ^^^
1807 [11:01:37] <BCMM> cap0ne: it is a tiny bit unhelpful to start the conversation with "i am a debian user", when the problem is that you are using a broken distro that isn't debian
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1809 [11:02:47] <cap0ne> Yes I am wrong, please forgive :)
1810 [11:03:17] <BCMM> cap0ne: also i'm a tiny bit worried by the concept of needing whatmaps on Kali
1811 [11:03:43] <BCMM> tell me you're not running publicly-facing web services or anything like that?
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1819 [11:07:26] <cap0ne> Meaning?
1820 [11:08:10] <BCMM> cap0ne: kali is for pentesting. if you want to do things other than pentesting, you will have a harder time using kali
1821 [11:08:38] <BCMM> cap0ne: and using whatmaps suggests that you might expect a certain level of reliability
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1823 [11:09:11] <BCMM> cap0ne: the biggest mistake people make with Kali is usually installing it. i'm sure it's great if you want a live DVD which comes with pentesting stuff, but if you're going to do a permanent install on a hard drive, you'd be better of using a proper distro and just installing the tools you use on that
1824 [11:09:41] <petn-randall> BCMM: Many people install it as a VM. That's how I use it.
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1826 [11:10:06] <pldiem> petn-randall: I just can't open torproject.org :/ maybe their certificate expired or something
1827 [11:10:07] <petn-randall> (it still means is breaking regularly, being a rolling release and all)
1828 [11:10:14] <gr8> is there no XFCE plugin for ALSA volume control any more??
1829 [11:10:18] <gr8> in Stretch
1830 [11:10:48] <lovelybac0n> I use volumeicon-alsa on openbox
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1833 [11:12:38] <BCMM> pldiem, petn-randall: replaced-url
1834 [11:12:41] <cap0ne> Yes I do not know beforehand if this is fatal, do I have to re-install this linux?
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1836 [11:12:47] <BCMM> so uh maybe check your system clock
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1838 [11:13:25] <pldiem> SEC_ERROR_UNKNOWN_ISSUER
1839 [11:13:30] <pldiem> in FF
1840 [11:13:37] <gr8> lovelybac0n: thanks but how do I add it to the XFCE panel? It doesn't seem to be available for adding
1841 [11:13:54] <pldiem> let me check something
1842 [11:14:10] <BCMM> pldiem: hmm that's interesting actually. does any HTTPS work for you, or are you on one of those coffeeshop wifi captive portal thingies that MITM everything?
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1845 [11:14:27] <lovelybac0n> gr8, Hmm. Long time since I have used xfce. Don't they have a volume tray thing?
1846 [11:14:50] <BCMM> cap0ne: a reinstall is probably the fastest way of fixing this; mixing distros makes a mess
1847 [11:14:52] <gr8> lovelybac0n: idk, seems to be gone? I don't know what its name was
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1849 [11:15:00] <gr8> there is only pulseaudio plugin
1850 [11:15:02] <BCMM> not saying it can't be cleaned up, but it's a hell of a lot of manual effort
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1852 [11:15:19] <lovelybac0n> gr8, you can start it by doing "volumeicon &" in a terminal, then add it to startup.
1853 [11:15:41] <BCMM> cap0ne: are you prepared to say a bit more about what you're trying to do? you clearly wanted some software that's available in Debian but not in Kali
1854 [11:15:47] <petn-randall> pldiem: Do you have ca-certificates installed?
1855 [11:15:57] <Quatroking> does the new debian have sudo already
1856 [11:15:59] <cap0ne> BCMM : Okay thanks for the feedback :)
1857 [11:16:00] <BCMM> cap0ne: but do you want any software that's in Kali but not in Debian?
1858 [11:16:17] <gr8> lovelybac0n: thanks that's perfect! :)
1859 [11:16:26] <lovelybac0n> Quatroking, ofcource it has sudo.
1860 [11:16:38] <lovelybac0n> gr8, that's gr8 ;)
1861 [11:16:53] <Quatroking> does it come with the system? because it sure doesn't on 8.8
1862 [11:16:54] <petn-randall> Quatroking: Did you put any effort to look it up in your package manager?
1863 [11:16:59] <BCMM> cap0ne: i know kali has some weird and wonderful scripts for specific pentesting tasks, but if for example you were just using wireshark, well, debian has that
1864 [11:17:02] <Quatroking> I haven't installed it yet
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1866 [11:17:08] <Quatroking> I was just wondering
1867 [11:17:14] <petn-randall> Quatroking: ... that might be your problem.
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1869 [11:17:23] <Quatroking> no I mean I haven't installed debian 9 yet
1870 [11:17:26] <BCMM> what i'm saying is, check whether the stuff you use in kali is available on debian; maybe you can get what you want without making a frankendistro
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1872 [11:17:48] <Quatroking> jessie doesn't come with sudo installed so I was wondering if stretch now does
1873 [11:17:52] <Quatroking> because it always seemed odd
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1875 [11:18:35] <petn-randall> Quatroking: If you set a root password in the installer, it doesn't install sudo. If you don't set it, your first user gets sudo permissions.
1876 [11:18:50] <Quatroking> ohhhh
1877 [11:18:57] <petn-randall> Quatroking: That's the same for jessie and stretch.
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1879 [11:19:17] <petn-randall> Quatroking: But if you want it, you can always install it at a later date.
1880 [11:19:20] <lovelybac0n> Quatroking, It should be installed. Edit the sudoers file with visudo.
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1882 [11:19:41] <Quatroking> I've been manually installing sudo for years
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1885 [11:19:56] <lovelybac0n> Quatroking, (EDITOR=nano visudo)
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1890 [11:21:47] <cap0ne> BCMM : Yes, so great, This will be my experience :)
1891 [11:22:04] <BCMM> well, good luck!
1892 [11:22:16] <cap0ne> thanks
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1904 [11:27:34] <amanhasnoface> anyone has SDK ss7?
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1932 [11:37:23] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
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1935 [11:37:48] <BCMM> good day
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1948 [11:45:30] <budder> i'm having trouble placing the firmware packages in the iso. I am using windows 10. I am trying to drag the firmware into the /firmware file but I get the error "not enough space"
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1951 [11:46:03] <budder> drag into the /firmware folder*
1952 [11:46:43] <budder> nvm
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1970 [11:55:16] <lovelybac0n> Or get the firmware iso.
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1975 [11:57:07] <forcerecon> Goodmorning Debian
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1981 [11:58:34] <BluesKaj> ;Morning forcerecon
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1991 [12:01:44] <forcerecon> You're up early too huh..
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1993 [12:02:07] <lovelybac0n> I have a question. Do you guys use the experimental repos to get the latest firefox?
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1995 [12:03:02] <forcerecon> I use Tor so I just leave Firefox as what it is
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1997 [12:03:22] <philluminati> Hi guys. I've upgraded to Debian 9. One of the changes is that vim is now compiled with "-python +python3" support which breaks some plugins I use. Is there a package that contains a version of vim with "+python -python3" available in the repos please?
1998 [12:03:55] <lovelybac0n> forcerecon, Why use tor?
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2003 [12:05:44] <forcerecon> security and anonimity.
2004 [12:06:14] <forcerecon> well.. a little security and anonimity..
2005 [12:07:03] <lovelybac0n> Meh. Disappear in the masses is the best security there is.
2006 [12:07:08] <forcerecon> if you want security then compartmentalise, use sandbox or something
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2010 [12:08:35] <lovelybac0n> Use a hundred proxies and don't ping you're existance to the net. And don't do stupid shit like using reject as you're firewall policy.
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2012 [12:09:06] <lovelybac0n> Security was possible but now it's done for.
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2023 [12:12:52] <babilen> philluminati: Fixing those plugins doesn't work?
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2031 [12:15:30] <philluminati> babilen: The plugin in question is ensime-vim which is quite large / has a test suite etc. They have an open ticket to fix this but I don't have the vim development skills to help.
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2033 [12:16:41] <babilen> philluminati: fwiw, neovim is in stretch - maybe that's an option?
2034 [12:16:48] <babilen> (or would that run into the same issue?)
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2036 [12:17:02] <philluminati> I'm trying a few packages so I may as well try that
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2038 [12:17:09] <babilen> Sorry, I use Emacs and most plugins are written in elisp
2039 [12:17:29] <babilen> (and the vim implementation is top-notch)
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2042 [12:18:16] <philluminati> vim-gnome, vim-gtk etc. All seem to be -python +python3. I've checked update-alternatives --list vim so I think they are providing new binary variants of vim just still no joy
2043 [12:18:33] <philluminati> I'll try neo-vim
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2046 [12:19:49] <babilen> philluminati: It also looks as if Emacs is very well supported by Emacs. Maybe you'd like to try that as well? You could spin up spacemacs with replaced-url
2047 [12:19:52] <philluminati> It looks as if Ubuntu provides a wider number of vim variants, some with the prefixes "-py2" to denote they are compiled with the configuration I wanted. I'm not sure if that's an idea Debian may want to consider
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2049 [12:19:56] <babilen> Err .. ensome
2050 [12:20:00] <babilen> *ensime!
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2052 [12:21:02] <philluminati> I think I'd like to keep to vim if possible. Old habits die hard etc.
2053 [12:21:09] <babilen> The vim implementation is absolutely wonderful (I enjoyed it more than vim itself)
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2074 [12:31:38] <babilen> philluminati: I would recommend to, at least, give it a try. It'll be your platform and you might end up liking it. :)
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2082 [12:33:43] <brizz_> hi
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2086 [12:35:07] <Vanfanel> Hi! While in "single process mode" (init=/bin/bash, for example), is it possible to manually initialize USB for keyboard input, for example?
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2096 [12:39:26] <philluminati> babilen: I have tried emacs before, a number of times over the years.
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2098 [12:39:59] <philluminati> I'm currently following the guide on the debian wiki to build a package from the source
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2102 [12:41:39] <lovelybac0n> remember to use checkinstall
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2105 [12:42:41] <babilen> philluminati: Please note that I am not referring to Emacs in itself, but to Emacs emulating vim (evil mode and, in particular, spacemacs)
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2109 [12:43:46] <graingert> anyone know a quick minimal dep solution to install a package version range?
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2111 [12:44:48] <lovelybac0n> what do you mean by package version range?
2112 [12:45:50] <graingert> lovelybac0n: eg you can install python3-minimal=3.5.3-2
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2114 [12:46:34] <lovelybac0n> no idea,
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2117 [12:47:44] <graingert> lovelybac0n: eg you can install python3-minimal>=3.5
2118 [12:47:47] <graingert> can you*
2119 [12:48:26] <lovelybac0n> I don't code so I don't know.
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2121 [12:49:07] <babilen> graingert: What are you trying to achieve?
2122 [12:51:01] <philluminati> I understand what you mean, babilen, and I do appreciate the support, thank you
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2124 [12:52:02] <graingert> babilen: I've got a CI script and I want a version of a package that's at least something
2125 [12:52:11] <graingert> but don't mind exactly what
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2128 [12:53:35] <dionysus69> eh windows xp guest on virtualbox is very fast
2129 [12:53:43] <dionysus69> the only problem I have is with the video drivers
2130 [12:53:58] <dionysus69> so I am trying out qemu/kvm libvirt but it is very slow something is not right
2131 [12:54:15] <towo^work> install the vbox guestadditions
2132 [12:54:21] <dionysus69> i did
2133 [12:54:25] <towo^work> then you have no problem with video-drivers
2134 [12:54:34] <dionysus69> I want to run games on xp guest basically. none of the ones I wanted did
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2136 [12:54:37] <Internet-Manager> Hello.
2137 [12:54:40] <dionysus69> those which did run on wine
2138 [12:54:50] <towo^work> dionysus69, vbox is not for gaming
2139 [12:54:52] <Internet-Manager> Greetings, dionysus69.
2140 [12:54:59] <towo^work> due the lack of propper 3d support
2141 [12:55:01] <babilen> philluminati: It shouldn't be too hard to built your own version of vim with py2 binding also if you think that's the best approach
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2143 [12:55:12] <dionysus69> ye I know but I would like to play some legacy games :D
2144 [12:55:57] <babilen> graingert: The way to achieve that is to configure your repository in such a way that you install the latest suitable version (i.e. with all security fixes)
2145 [12:56:19] <graingert> babilen: ?
2146 [12:56:28] <graingert> babilen: it's a third party rpeo
2147 [12:56:29] <graingert> repo*
2148 [12:56:33] <graingert> and I don't want to mess with it
2149 [12:56:40] <graingert> babilen: or do you mean something lesE?
2150 [12:56:42] <graingert> else*
2151 [12:57:24] <babilen> graingert: APT has been developed with the assumption that there is a single version of each package in the repository. So if you configure a repo it will pull the latest version from that repository under the assumption that you, naturally, want the one with all security fixes/updates/...
2152 [12:57:47] <graingert> babilen: ah that's not really the case
2153 [12:57:57] <babilen> Obviously that assumption is being broken every now and then and you can approach that by forcing the installation of a specific version
2154 [12:58:27] <graingert> I was thinking I could write a tool that runs apt-cache policy x
2155 [12:58:30] <babilen> You could try if something like foo=5.* works
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2157 [12:58:31] <graingert> and parses the version table
2158 [12:58:48] <babilen> You can use python-apt to acquire that information a bit easier
2159 [12:59:26] <graingert> babilen: oh that totally just works
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2162 [12:59:58] <babilen> It won't allow you to express any version ranges that are not covered by this globbing now
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2164 [13:00:44] <babilen> fwiw, I'd use python-apt and apt_pkg.version_compare if you want to script this yourself
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2167 [13:01:12] <babilen> replaced-url
2168 [13:01:19] <graingert> babilen: I only need *
2169 [13:01:28] <babilen> There you go then
2170 [13:01:43] <graingert> babilen: my question was wrong, as I only needed a subset of full version range support
2171 [13:01:52] <graingert> but didn't know how to describe it
2172 [13:01:54] <graingert> sozzles
2173 [13:02:25] <babilen> Sure, in the end such a question would have to be paired with sufficiently detailed examples to be precise enough
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2175 [13:03:53] <babilen> You should take care that other packages don't pull in other versions of the same package though .. The whole packaging system works under the assumption that there's a single candidate for each package from the configured repositories.
2176 [13:04:29] <graingert> yeah the same script runs on different ubuntus
2177 [13:04:45] <graingert> and I wanted to cut out all the -ubuntu3 stuff
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2179 [13:04:58] <graingert> (and on plain debian)
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2182 [13:05:17] <babilen> ((just to make sure I get support in #debian;))
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2184 [13:05:25] <graingert> :3
2185 [13:05:47] <babilen> fwiw, if you don't use Debian this channel is not the right one
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2190 [13:09:36] <lovelybac0n> Nah. I like visitors.
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2192 [13:12:47] <babilen> lovelybac0n: It's explicitly against channel policy and we therefore serve tea and biscuits in #d-offtopic for visitors
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2196 [13:16:49] <Allanitomwesh> hello, am getting an error trying to sudo/su. Authentication failure.
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2198 [13:17:12] <Allanitomwesh> I'm certain am typing in the right thing
2199 [13:17:46] <BluesKaj> Allanitomwesh, did you use your root password?
2200 [13:18:02] <Allanitomwesh> Yes
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2202 [13:19:01] <BluesKaj> because user password won't work eith sudo su
2203 [13:19:10] <BluesKaj> with
2204 [13:19:27] <babilen> Allanitomwesh: When did that start and what did you do beforehand?
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2207 [13:20:21] <Allanitomwesh> I've jist installed it. This is the first attempt to su right after inatalling.
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2211 [13:20:39] <Plushfish> You help him but not me? You are rascists !!!
2212 [13:20:42] <Plushfish> You help him but not me? You are rascists !!!
2213 [13:20:44] <Allanitomwesh> installing* just*
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2215 [13:22:31] <shtrb|laptop> What was the bot that get channel history ?
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2218 [13:23:38] <BluesKaj> Plushfish, I don't see a question
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2221 [13:24:18] <babilen> (and please refrain from calling people racist for no reason)
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2225 [13:25:50] <Allanitomwesh> any ideas how to fix this? I cant install updates
2226 [13:26:24] <MarioMey> Hello there. I downloaded DVD1. Should I copy it to USB with "cp", as manual says? Or "dd"?
2227 [13:26:24] <BluesKaj> Allanitomwesh, I have to ask , did you enter a root password and a user password when prompted?
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2232 [13:26:58] <BluesKaj> during installation, Allanitomwesh
2233 [13:26:59] <Allanitomwesh> yes, during installation,and they are different
2234 [13:27:07] <shtrb|laptop> MarioMey , what is your goal ? dd is to create bootable the cp to copy files
2235 [13:27:15] <Allanitomwesh> user password works, root doesn't
2236 [13:27:17] <shtrb|laptop> *the cp command
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2240 [13:28:25] <MarioMey> shtrb|laptop: replaced-url
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2242 [13:29:34] <MarioMey> shtrb|laptop: It sounded rare... but it is in the manual!
2243 [13:29:38] <MarioMey> *for me
2244 [13:30:34] <shtrb|laptop> oh you copy the iso itself not the content , I think in that context the result will be the same
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2247 [13:31:37] <lovelybac0n> Thats why we love dd.
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2249 [13:32:07] <shtrb|laptop> in both cases you should do sync (and make sure it's not mounted)
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2252 [13:33:12] <MarioMey> shtrb|laptop: the other strange thing is that it didn't work with pendrive unmounted. I tried to do it mounted... and it worked.
2253 [13:33:17] <MarioMey> :/
2254 [13:33:34] <MarioMey> What do you recommend?
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2266 [13:38:47] <Allanitomwesh> :(
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2271 [13:42:19] <shtrb|laptop> How can I search packages from experimental ?
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2278 [13:44:52] <Christoph_vW> darxmurf: back - I am using icinga already
2279 [13:45:28] <BluesKaj> Allanitomwesh, replaced-url
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2287 [13:50:01] <Allanitomwesh> BluesKaj: That seems...extreme
2288 [13:50:27] <tsglove> GOOD MORINING!! o/
2289 [13:50:52] <Allanitomwesh> \o
2290 [13:51:02] <Internet-Manager> Greetings to TS-Glove.
2291 [13:51:06] <Internet-Manager> Welcome to my channel.
2292 [13:51:28] <boser> Is it correct, that jessie will be supported until 2020 + 2 Years?
2293 [13:51:42] <Internet-Manager> Yes, it is, boser.
2294 [13:51:50] <BluesKaj> Allanitomwesh, i hope someone else here can suggest a better method then, because I can't
2295 [13:51:58] <boser> that's fine.
2296 [13:52:00] <boser> thx
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2299 [13:53:12] <bitblit> getting this apt warning on a nearly new debian 9 install: The key(s) in the keyring /etc/apt/trusted.gpg are ignored as the file is not readable by user '_apt' executing apt-key.
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2301 [13:53:46] <Internet-Manager> Hello everyone, I would like to announce some new rules for the channel.
2302 [13:53:53] <Internet-Manager> Firstly, the old rules continue to apply.
2303 [13:54:07] <Internet-Manager> However, we now allow more social conversation as well as technical chat.
2304 [13:54:26] <Internet-Manager> We would encourage users to support each other socially and emotionally as well as with their technical problems.
2305 [13:54:29] <petn-randall> Internet-Manager: Do you have a Debian support question? If not, please keep the channel clear.
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2310 [13:54:38] <tsglove> Internet-Manager, yay!
2311 [13:54:53] <Internet-Manager> Hello petn-randall! No tech questions from me at present.
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2313 [13:55:17] <boser> +1
2314 [13:55:27] <Internet-Manager> ty
2315 [13:55:27] <Allanitomwesh> BluesKaj: :(
2316 [13:55:59] <tsglove> wait wut
2317 [13:56:03] <tsglove> lol
2318 [13:56:14] <petn-randall> Internet-Manager: Just FYI, there's #debian-offtopic if you want to have some non-support chat.
2319 [13:56:43] <tsglove> Internet-Manager, have big do the Internet Pipes have to be, in order for the Series of Trucks to flow through? Are these pick-up trucks, or are these 18-wheelers?
2320 [13:56:49] <BluesKaj> Allanitomwesh, that method doesn't seem extreme to me, but we all have our limits
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2323 [13:58:26] <Internet-Manager> Well, tsglove, that's certainly a techincal question with a metaphor that is understandable to the average layperson. The capacity of the pipes is measured in Gigabytes. Typically 1 Gigabyte is enough for several users, akin to a series of small trucks. I would recommend havcing as much Gigabyte in the Pipes as possible.
2324 [13:58:26] <Allanitomwesh> "mount root partition with read/write access". I have no idea how that is done
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2326 [13:59:06] <wbt3732> Allanitomwesh: mount -o remount,rw /mountpoint
2327 [13:59:20] <petn-randall> tsglove, Internet-Manager, please take it to #debian-offtopic to keep it on topic in here.
2328 [13:59:24] <wbt3732> Allanitomwesh: in case of rootfilesystem: mount -o remount,rw /
2329 [13:59:31] <Internet-Manager> Thank you petn-randall, will do.
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2331 [14:00:35] <Allanitomwesh> I'll give it a try, wbt3732
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2335 [14:02:25] <BluesKaj> Allanitomwesh, it shows this command: mount -n -o remount,rw /
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2364 [14:16:56] <mabynogy> hello
2365 [14:17:03] <shtrb|laptop> Hello
2366 [14:17:11] <fnljk> Howdy , folks .. 'scuse my n00b-ness, but, could someone plz tell me why when to possibly expect updates to certain packages like OpenVPN - "apt show stating 'Version: 2.3.4-5+deb8u1' on my 2.6.32-042stab123.2 'Jessie''"
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2368 [14:17:50] <mabynogy> I accidentally removed /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ Am I screwed?
2369 [14:18:08] <mabynogy> trying installing yarn...
2370 [14:18:31] <fnljk> (version 2.4.3 of OVPN is out now btw.. some advantages are security fixes, some seemingly quite serious (few very recently published info on too..) as well as improvements to security..)
2371 [14:19:12] <zero85> Need to set vps=1 on my debian VPS for clamav but can't find the config where i need to set this, its because the vps has not enough ram
2372 [14:19:19] <fnljk> id much prefer using official repo for download/update of ovpn.. and anyway wondering why the newest version ain't there already, if not for .. like quality-asurance kinda thing, being stable or such would want to verify eventuyal new ones are good b4 listing?
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2375 [14:19:48] <fnljk> has not enough ram.. mount some of ya free space as swap...could that be possible?
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2377 [14:19:58] <fnljk> also why cant u find the config because the vps has not enough ram? ...sounds crazy..
2378 [14:20:52] <fnljk> even my android phone running armhf and using official deb repos could do such... also my shitty asus router even has tools thru busybox to do such (yet still id use more resource-requiring ones there too)..
2379 [14:21:36] <fnljk> why cant u find its config file btw.....not at default spot, or otherwise expected (for whatever reason)?-- and lacking tools like locate, find n such as well.. ?
2380 [14:21:56] <shtrb|laptop> mabynogy , no
2381 [14:22:42] <fnljk> mabynogy: i just checked on one box, ...unsure if anything special bout that, but... my directory as such appears completely empty..
2382 [14:22:48] <mabynogy> ha! thanx
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2385 [14:23:03] <shtrb|laptop> mabynogy , just recreate it and put what you had there
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2387 [14:23:50] <mabynogy> I don't know what was inside Just installed stretch sunday shtrb|laptop
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2389 [14:24:08] <fnljk> or maybe try cehck /var/cache/apt ... ? i dno..
2390 [14:24:36] <shtrb|laptop> mabynogy , it's empty by default
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2392 [14:25:41] <mabynogy> cool !
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2395 [14:26:06] <fnljk> ..also.. unless you used some secure deletion util., ..many forensic data-recovery toolz mighta helped?..or just seeing how the official one looked, or reason to believe urs would be different...tho bein quite fgrersh still... hm
2396 [14:26:14] <mabynogy> many thanks fnljk shtrb|laptop
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2398 [14:26:35] <fnljk> eny time
2399 [14:26:48] <mabynogy> my initial problem was to install npm as it has been removed in stretch
2400 [14:26:56] <fnljk> (im n00b, no idea if any of my inpu actually any good tho tbh:df)
2401 [14:27:14] <BluesKaj> al
2402 [14:27:27] <fnljk> o.. it is.. ... is it present by default in jessie..? (ifso i didn't notice....don't think so? hm)
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2406 [14:30:30] <tw> I think npm was removed by bug #857986
2407 [14:30:31] <judd> Bug replaced-url
2408 [14:31:21] <shtrb> It's also not really free ...
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2415 [14:34:20] <mabynogy> I used npm just to update node with "n" replaced-url
2416 [14:34:25] <dna> Hello, which software should i use to rip cd?
2417 [14:34:32] <shtrb> dd ?
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2420 [14:35:28] <wbt3732> dna: cdparanoia would be the most basic one (command line)
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2422 [14:35:41] <wbt3732> shtrb: no, you cannot read audio cds with dd
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2424 [14:36:05] <towo^work> there is zero word of audio
2425 [14:36:23] <wbt3732> towo^work: the term "rip" implies it
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2427 [14:36:27] <towo^work> no
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2429 [14:36:30] <shtrb> It does ?
2430 [14:36:54] <Guest53366> dpkg: tell dna about cross-post
2431 [14:37:15] <dna> the song open in the file manager as .wav files, i was also able to copy/paste them
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2434 [14:37:31] <dna> do you know if there's a inbulid rip software in debian?
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2440 [14:38:34] <mabynogy> back after a reboot...
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2444 [14:40:27] <wbt3732> dna: so you want to rip an audio cd? use cdparanoia (command line) or ripperx or sound juicer. and which software is "built-in" depends on which packages you have installed.
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2450 [14:43:29] <BluesKaj> dna, depnds on your DE which burner app is default
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2453 [14:44:02] <dna> cinnamon
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2456 [14:44:59] <philluminati> babilen: I've managed to get ensime-vim working by compiling my own copy of vim with python2 support
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2462 [14:45:44] <philluminati> thanks for your support babilen
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2471 [14:47:48] <babilen> philluminati: Great! :)
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2479 [14:49:40] <goril> hi
2480 [14:50:04] <goril> what is the exe process doing?
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2483 [14:50:45] <abrotman> dpkg: vague
2484 [14:50:45] <dpkg> Hi, I've got a problem but I'm not going to explain it to you in a coherent way. I'm also going to annoy you by using contractions like "ur" and "ne", furthermore I'm going to make up my own abbreviations of technical phrases and terms.
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2486 [14:51:49] <wbt3732> nice dpkg message :)
2487 [14:52:21] <goril> sorry - i saw there is (or was) a process called exe running on my system, i do not know what it does. what further info do you need?
2488 [14:52:44] <goril> i tried man exe but nothing showed up
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2492 [14:53:45] <BluesKaj> goril, check your system monitor, it shows processes
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2495 [14:54:19] <wbt3732> goril: maybe it was a kernel thread. next time you see it running, try "sudo readlink /proc/PID/exe" where PID is the PID of the process. then run dpkg -S on the result of readlink.
2496 [14:54:48] <forcerecon> I use sudo apt-get sysdig, then once install run sudo csysdig. All the information you want
2497 [14:54:52] <forcerecon> another option
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2501 [14:56:48] <goril> thanks i will try that
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2505 [14:57:18] <BluesKaj> goril, or top in the console
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2507 [14:57:42] <koolfy> hello
2508 [14:57:50] <petn-randall> hi koolfy
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2510 [14:57:53] <koolfy> quick question about apt update
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2512 [14:58:06] <koolfy> E: Failed to fetch replaced-url
2513 [14:58:24] <petn-randall> !bat
2514 [14:58:25] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
2515 [14:58:36] <koolfy> I get these errors since recently, it appears that this file is actually a symlink to a plaintext file located at ../
2516 [14:58:36] <petn-randall> koolfy: Can you provide the info above? ^^^
2517 [14:58:46] <goril> sudo csysdig shows just a black screen
2518 [14:58:53] <koolfy> petn-randall: okay :)
2519 [14:59:19] <petn-randall> koolfy: You can skip point 2 since it's just an 'apt update' run.
2520 [14:59:24] <koolfy> yup
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2523 [14:59:35] <goril> i found it in top but it barely ran for a second i think
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2526 [14:59:42] <BluesKaj> goril, a better one is htop from the repoz
2527 [15:00:02] <BluesKaj> repos*
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2530 [15:00:19] <koolfy> mh, am I going to get waterboarded if the distro this particular apt is on is an ubuntu?
2531 [15:00:54] <petn-randall> koolfy: Not quite, we'll let you live. But then it's better to ask in #ubuntu though.
2532 [15:01:14] <koolfy> I think I'll try that before bothering you guys actually :)
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2534 [15:01:32] <petn-randall> koolfy: Why is there stretch in the update run, though?
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2536 [15:02:12] <koolfy> because we needed one package from stretch and at the time it sounded like an "ok" workaround
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2543 [15:04:12] <petn-randall> koolfy: Ah, it's a lot safer to just compile the Debian source package then. Chances are high you accidentally pulled more packages in from stretch and created a Frankenubuntu.
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2545 [15:04:47] <koolfy> we pinned the repository with a negative priority except from the package we wanted
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2547 [15:05:14] <koolfy> so we should be safe on that side, but then again, I shouldn't be surprised ubuntu doesn't handle a stretch repo properly
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2550 [15:08:13] <BluesKaj> koolfy, odd, because debian contains fewer default packages than ubuntu, certainly fewer sources.
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2555 [15:12:59] <forcerecon> when it comes to a linux PC. Is there anything worth backing up? Are there any utils to make a encrypted disc image of the machine?
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2561 [15:15:42] <petn-randall> forcerecon: We can't know if there's anything worth backing up on your PC. Is there?
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2566 [15:16:21] <forcerecon> well no, but you could make recommendations about linux of the unobvious things to include in your backuip
2567 [15:16:22] <forcerecon> :D
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2577 [15:17:59] <petn-randall> forcerecon: Your home dir, and you can exclude things you don't care about. For everything else it depends. If you have databases like mariadb or postgres installed, you need to back them up separately.
2578 [15:18:21] <forcerecon> Basically is there a way to make an IMAGE of your machine at a certain point and time. If machine crashes, somehow just reload the dvd back to that specific time
2579 [15:18:31] <forcerecon> Yeah I have nothing to back up.. I keep stuff in my dropbox..
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2584 [15:18:46] <forcerecon> if the machine craps out.. just reload and reinstall
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2586 [15:19:10] <forcerecon> However, I would like to be able to get the machine back and operational in the least amount of time. hence the image item
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2588 [15:19:18] <petn-randall> forcerecon: Dropbox just mirrors your data. Or does it also make snapshots?
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2592 [15:19:48] <forcerecon> it just takes whatever you put in there send it to the cloud, It is real time.
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2594 [15:19:53] <petn-randall> forcerecon: Sure, you can use e.g. clonezilla to backup your complete system.
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2596 [15:20:10] <forcerecon> clonezilla.. okeedo.. I will check it out.. thanks!
2597 [15:20:16] <petn-randall> forcerecon: Then that's not a backup. If you accidentally delete all files, dropbox will happily delete it, too, or not?
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2601 [15:21:11] <petn-randall> forcerecon: So dropbox would only help if you break the HDD, but not against deleted files, IIUC.
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2605 [15:21:38] <forcerecon> I am sure it would.. but I don't plan on accidentally deleting all my files.. even if you do.. I pay for dropbox so I can have it all restored
2606 [15:21:57] <forcerecon> you just log into the website and recover all files.. you get 30 days
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2608 [15:22:42] <tremolo> Nobody plans to accidentally do anything. :D
2609 [15:23:00] <forcerecon> You would have to go through a lot of prompts..
2610 [15:23:00] <petn-randall> forcerecon: Ah, so they *do* snapshot your data for 30 days?
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2613 [15:23:28] <petn-randall> forcerecon: Malware will happily answer any prompts for you.
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2615 [15:23:44] <forcerecon> actually 1 year
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2618 [15:24:33] <petn-randall> forcerecon: Of course you're offloading the trust of backups to dropbox in this case.
2619 [15:24:37] <shtrb> forcerecon you data is usually important
2620 [15:25:04] <forcerecon> thats what I pay them for
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2622 [15:25:52] <shtrb> forcerecon , I use git for a while (for dropbed files) , dropbox itself can do harm to your data (if you are not the only user)
2623 [15:25:55] <forcerecon> knock on wood I have been using them for years and no problems yet.. it just works
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2626 [15:26:38] <shtrb> take two devices , disconnect from the network , make changes on both and see how the party starts
2627 [15:27:03] <forcerecon> why would I do that..
2628 [15:27:22] <forcerecon> why would that even happen.. as I can't be in two places at once..
2629 [15:27:24] <shtrb> to simulate how it behave in case of an error (network down with two devices)
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2631 [15:28:02] <forcerecon> you basically want me to simulate me taking two machines.. then disconnect them both, then change different files on both machines, then reconnect them simultaneously..
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2633 [15:28:10] <forcerecon> little much no?
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2637 [15:28:23] <shtrb> this will show you what happen in case of an problem
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2641 [15:28:44] <shtrb> how it behaves , you have at least two locations for your backups correct ?
2642 [15:28:47] <forcerecon> that would never happen because I am not dumb enough not to know that would be a stupid thing to do
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2645 [15:29:16] <forcerecon> I only make changes on a file from one machine at a time..
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2647 [15:29:47] <shtrb> forcerecon , files may change without you knowing that (maleware , a bug , incorrect network setting that provided access to the files etc)
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2650 [15:30:18] <forcerecon> yeah that could happen.. but like I said, been using it for years.. no problems yet
2651 [15:30:25] <forcerecon> feel pretty okay with that..
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2653 [15:30:46] <forcerecon> and I do backup my machines to dvd every once in awhile.. so I have all my files..
2654 [15:30:51] <shtrb> anyway , using it over gitfs was a good option for me (when I used that)
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2657 [15:31:27] <forcerecon> in fact I just imaged my machine before the install of debian 9, so I have a rescue cd and my entire machine imaged just in case debian did not work properly on this machine
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2665 [15:34:29] <shtrb> dpkg reproduicible build tools
2666 [15:34:30] <dpkg> shtrb: I don't know, could you explain it?
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2672 [15:35:39] <shtrb> what the keyword for reproducible-build tools for dpkg ?
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2679 [15:38:50] <petn-randall> !reproducible builds
2680 [15:38:54] <shtrb> thanks
2681 [15:39:01] <shtrb> dpkg where are you ?
2682 [15:39:01] <dpkg> I am located at Latitude: 33.9695129 Longitude: -117.3275986
2683 [15:39:14] <BluesKaj> backing up one's personal and media files on an outboard hdd and using separate / and /home partitions on the ssd makes for some redundancy. Then if the OS becomes unrescueable one just has to install to / and set the /home mountpooint during the manual partitioning phase
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2685 [15:40:01] <shtrb> ok , found the wiki page , dpkg does not help
2686 [15:40:02] <forcerecon> BluesKaj: that is the way I configured it this time
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2693 [15:41:14] <forcerecon> I am learning about systemd in debian
2694 [15:41:22] <BluesKaj> forcerecon, it's fairly simple but safe enough :-)
2695 [15:41:56] <greycat> Of all the words you could use to describe systemd, you chose "fairly simple"?
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2697 [15:42:11] <forcerecon> seems the oldtimers are not happy with systemd
2698 [15:42:22] <BluesKaj> i've learned alittle about systemd networking
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2700 [15:42:52] <petn-randall> We used to have something in the topic about systemd rants ...
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2704 [15:43:22] <shtrb> greycat , I think Faynerman said that all physics was just extra over quadric equations
2705 [15:43:42] <petn-randall> You mean Richard Feynman?
2706 [15:44:06] <greycat> And I think you mean differential equations.
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2708 [15:44:16] <shtrb> sorry, yes
2709 [15:44:19] <BluesKaj> some think systemd been thrust on us by the devs for no good reason other than it's new and better than init etc
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2714 [15:45:04] <petn-randall> ... or nobody wants to keep on maintaining sysv init.
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2716 [15:45:18] <petn-randall> I'm sure if enough people would pick it up that it would still be supported.
2717 [15:45:20] <greycat> The one thing that nobody disagrees about is that sysvinit sucks.
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2720 [15:45:49] <forcerecon> systemctl list-units -t services
2721 [15:45:51] <forcerecon> nice nice
2722 [15:45:58] <cheapie> apt install sysvinit-core
2723 [15:46:00] <cheapie> Done.
2724 [15:46:37] <greycat> sysvinit is still a supported init system in stretch
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2726 [15:47:15] <petn-randall> greycat: Kind of. It's not a requirement to ship init scripts anymore. So their might be daemons that have a systemd unit file but not init script.
2727 [15:47:19] <petn-randall> s/not/no/
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2730 [15:48:29] <greycat> Do you know of any specific packages that don't ship an init.d script?
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2732 [15:48:54] <forcerecon> 54 loaded units
2733 [15:48:58] <forcerecon> this is great stuff
2734 [15:49:01] <jhutchins_wk> Linux is not the only unix-like operating system out here. Other systems still use SysV tools.
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2736 [15:49:25] <forcerecon> you can spend all day in the administration/ mech / tech aspects of linux.. very sleek
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2738 [15:50:03] <petn-randall> greycat: I don't, but I remember it's not a RC bug to not ship on right now.
2739 [15:50:08] <greycat> noted
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2773 [16:02:48] <Silmaril> Hi guys
2774 [16:03:04] <shtrb> Hi Silmaril
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2776 [16:03:20] <Silmaril> wanted an advice before opening a bug for a stretch package
2777 [16:03:34] <Silmaril> is it ok here ?
2778 [16:03:47] <shtrb> ! ask
2779 [16:03:47] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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2781 [16:04:01] <Silmaril> ok
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2783 [16:04:33] <Raf_> Hi, When i restart the network service in Stretch, the interfaces are not coming up again.
2784 [16:04:39] <somiaj> Silmaril: have you read the info on bugs.debian.org?
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2786 [16:04:46] <Silmaril> the package graphite-api "suggest" gunicorn3, however it doesn't work without (precheck in systemd unit and everything)
2787 [16:04:49] <petn-randall> Silmaril: We're here to help you narrow the issue down. So either we get to solve the issue, or we write a good bug report ;)
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2789 [16:05:37] <somiaj> Raf_: networking service is not really a service that is meant to be restarted. If you want to bring your interfaces up/down use the tool you use to manage them. If you use the /etc/network/interfaces file use ifup/ifdown, if you use network-manager or another tool use that tool.
2790 [16:05:48] <Silmaril> the solution is to install gunicorn3 manually but it doesn't feel very much "debian" to me ^^
2791 [16:06:13] <somiaj> Silmaril: define doesn't work?
2792 [16:06:31] <petn-randall> Silmaril: Indeed. Is the graphite-api package in any way useful without gunicorn3? I'm not using either package atm.
2793 [16:06:32] <Silmaril> somiaj: service doesn't start
2794 [16:06:48] <Silmaril> petn-randall: well not in a way i can see
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2796 [16:07:12] <glaucom> hey all...
2797 [16:07:22] <somiaj> by default, or with some configuration that requires this additional package? What error do you get?
2798 [16:07:40] <Silmaril> it is supposed to present a webservice, and without gunicorn3 the webservice can't start
2799 [16:07:41] <forcerecon> I am not going to bother imaging this machine.. it makes more sense to just rebuild it from scratch and use the commands on a regular basis
2800 [16:07:49] <petn-randall> Silmaril: Then I'd use the reportbug tool to file a bug against graphite-api. Feel free to set it release-critical, as long as you justify it as you just did.
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2804 [16:08:14] <Silmaril> somiaj: i'm not sure i follow you
2805 [16:08:16] <glaucom> i downloaded new version debian 9.0.1 and password for root not math...
2806 [16:08:27] <petn-randall> forcerecon: Indeed, you can only image a system when booted from a live image, which isn't really practical.
2807 [16:08:32] <forcerecon> I noticed that with the nvidia drivers (as great as they are) that once inwhile the screen flickers for a moment..
2808 [16:08:35] <glaucom> i same password for use , but no works... any more ?
2809 [16:08:44] <somiaj> Silmaril: have you read any of the files in /usr/share/doc/graphite-api to see if they mention anything about this.
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2814 [16:09:06] <Silmaril> somiaj: yes sorry, just got to do this
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2816 [16:09:24] <jhutchins_wk> Raf_: How are you restarting the service?
2817 [16:09:26] <Silmaril> so not really a bug
2818 [16:09:50] <petn-randall> Silmaril: How so?
2819 [16:09:55] <forcerecon> I am going to give this a go for the 2nd time to get it right. I got it working on the laptop but now I need to redo this on the desktop.,.. I will try it after lunch -- replaced-url
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2821 [16:10:14] <Silmaril> petn-randall: well it is said you can manually setup any webserver with WSGI support
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2824 [16:10:26] <Raf_> I'm restarting it like this: systemctl restart networking, this used to work in jessie.
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2829 [16:10:55] <jhutchins_wk> Raf_: Does it give you any output?
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2833 [16:11:07] <glaucom> replaced-url
2834 [16:11:31] <Silmaril> petn-randall: so the provided unit/init is only an "option"
2835 [16:11:32] <glaucom> a new instalation clean...
2836 [16:11:41] <glaucom> i set same password for user...
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2840 [16:12:21] <petn-randall> Silmaril: I see, good point.
2841 [16:12:23] <Raf_> jhutchins_wk: There is no output
2842 [16:12:31] <somiaj> Silmaril: seems that it just needs a wsgi server for the webfront end. There are a few that are suggested besides gunicorn3. The matainer maybe made the suggested so the user can decide which web tool they want to use.
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2845 [16:13:23] <petn-randall> It should be a depends/recommends on all possible options then, though.
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2847 [16:13:33] <shtrb> glaucom , did you setup up some pam modules ?
2848 [16:13:39] <petn-randall> Unless the packages is somehow still useful without any such package.
2849 [16:13:47] <shtrb> and can you log in to root from a different tty ?
2850 [16:13:51] <somiaj> Silmaril: The matainer problably made them a suggested so one dosen't get installed if you are using a wsgi server not in the list.
2851 [16:13:55] <Raf_> jhutchins_wk: When i use ifup the interfaces come up again
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2853 [16:14:32] <glaucom> and very slow graphic, freezing :(
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2855 [16:14:48] <somiaj> petn-randall: I thought the same thing, but there is always a bit of disagreement about if a package should be a suggested or recommended. Maybe some archived bug report has a conversation about this decision for suggsted.
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2858 [16:15:22] <glaucom> shtrb: no password set in instalation no maths.
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2860 [16:15:24] <Silmaril> somiaj: yes probably
2861 [16:15:46] <glaucom> shtrb: tested in tty3 but no log in
2862 [16:16:00] <fender0107401> My laptop can't play audio file with Debian 9.0, but it works with Debian 8.0.
2863 [16:16:05] <fender0107401> :(
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2867 [16:16:55] <mtn> fender0107401: have you used pavucontrol to adjust your sound settings/devices?
2868 [16:17:32] <rootkea> Hello! Yesterday I disabled few services (systemctl disable) and now I observe that ping replaced-url
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2871 [16:17:49] <fender0107401> speaker-test 1.1.3
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2873 [16:17:52] <fender0107401> Playback device is default
2874 [16:17:54] <fender0107401> Stream parameters are 48000Hz, S16_LE, 1 channels
2875 [16:17:58] <fender0107401> Using 16 octaves of pink noise
2876 [16:18:03] <fender0107401> ALSA lib pcm_dmix.c:1052:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) unable to open slave
2877 [16:18:04] <fender0107401> Playback open error: -2,No such file or directory
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2879 [16:18:10] <fender0107401> Sorry for the last 6 lines.
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2881 [16:18:58] <rootkea> A thing worth to be noted is that I can access the Internet if I connect to a connection with proxy server (my college connection)> It's may be because they have DNS server running?
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2883 [16:19:53] <shtrb> dpkg 2+2
2884 [16:19:54] <dpkg> methinks 2+2 is 5 for large values of 2, or 57, or slashdot math
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2888 [16:20:43] <celyr> hmmm
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2891 [16:20:59] <celyr> I don't remember where is the history of installed packages
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2894 [16:21:06] <Silmaril> hum, the documented way for apache/wsgi setup might be missing a few pointers however
2895 [16:21:12] <celyr> does someone has quick hint ?
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2898 [16:21:22] <shtrb> dpkg --list-packages
2899 [16:21:22] <dpkg> i haven't a clue, shtrb
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2901 [16:21:30] <shtrb> celyr ^
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2903 [16:21:55] <shtrb> sorry dpkg --get-selections
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2905 [16:22:46] <celyr> not enough history it seems
2906 [16:22:59] <rootkea> Does anybody know the name of dns service which needs to be there running on a machine in order to dns resolution to take place?
2907 [16:23:31] <glaucom> como reportar esse bug ?
2908 [16:23:38] <glaucom> The password set for the root user at the beginning of the installation does not apply after attempts to log in as root on any tty.
2909 [16:23:48] <greycat> !es
2910 [16:23:48] <dpkg> Este canal es de soporte técnico en Inglés para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en Español, puede ingresar en #debian-es tecleando /join #debian-es en la línea de chat.
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2912 [16:23:59] <glaucom> So it is not possible to update the packages or report the bug.
2913 [16:24:02] <celyr> ,v bsd-mailx
2914 [16:24:03] <judd> Package: bsd-mailx on amd64 -- wheezy: 8.1.2-0.20111106cvs-1+deb7u1; wheezy-security: 8.1.2-0.20111106cvs-1+deb7u1; jessie: 8.1.2-0.20141216cvs-2; buster: 8.1.2-0.20160123cvs-4; sid: 8.1.2-0.20160123cvs-4; stretch: 8.1.2-0.20160123cvs-4
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2916 [16:24:22] <celyr> why I got two different mailx then
2917 [16:24:24] <celyr> I'm going crazy
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2919 [16:24:49] <glaucom> replaced-url
2920 [16:24:52] <greycat> there are two different mailx packages (you get a choice) in wheezy/jessie, IIRC. And s-nail (?) replaces one of them in stretch. I think.
2921 [16:24:52] <glaucom> fk...
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2926 [16:26:06] <greycat> Let's see... wheezy has heirloom-mailx and bsd-mailx.
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2932 [16:26:34] <greycat> Jessie also has them.
2933 [16:26:39] <celyr> Yeah I guess that i was using heirloom and it was transitioned out
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2935 [16:26:53] <celyr> And I can't attach files anymore
2936 [16:26:55] <celyr> funny
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2939 [16:27:25] <greycat> stetech has heirloom-mailx but it's transitional (brings in s-nail). Still has bsd-mailx.
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2948 [16:29:08] <greycat> Oh... I see now. s-nail is not listed as an alternative for mailx.
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2953 [16:29:16] <greycat> wooledg:~$ sudo update-alternatives --config mailx
2954 [16:29:16] <greycat> There is only one alternative in link group mailx (providing /usr/bin/mailx): /usr/bin/bsd-mailx
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2966 [16:29:42] <greycat> I guess you're manually supposed to make the symlink from /etc/alternatives/mailx to /usr/bin/s-nail or something.
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2997 [16:30:18] <Drzacek> not this crap again
2998 [16:30:20] <celyr> okay
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3000 [16:30:30] <Shadur> !ops Nickspamming imbeciles, please set the channel +r
3001 [16:30:30] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: shadur complains about: Nickspamming imbeciles, please set the channel +r
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3004 [16:30:55] <greycat> Shadur: stop fucking spamming. Christ.
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3006 [16:31:14] <cujotus> good spam. spam for children
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3008 [16:31:16] <Shadur> greycat: I'm not the one spamming.
3009 [16:31:17] <glaucom> The password set for the root user at the beginning of the installation does not apply after attempts to log in as root on any tty.
3010 [16:31:20] <glaucom> replaced-url
3011 [16:31:31] <celyr> greycat, Funny thing is that s-nail is full compatible with heirloom
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3014 [16:31:53] <celyr> greycat, I would have appreciated to have a smoother transition, I wonder way it was made this way
3015 [16:31:55] <Shadur> glaucom: Sudo uses *your* password, not the root password.
3016 [16:32:05] <Shadur> And you're not in the sudoers file, so you can't sudo.
3017 [16:32:21] <tacocat> use 'su' instead to get a prompt for root login
3018 [16:32:29] <Shadur> Do su - instead, then use the root password, then add yourself to sudoers by adduser blackcat sudo
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3020 [16:32:37] <greycat> replaced-url
3021 [16:32:38] <judd> Bug replaced-url
3022 [16:32:40] <Shadur> Then log out and log back in so the system knows you're in the sudo group, and done.
3023 [16:32:56] <BluesKaj> as root adduser username sudo
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3029 [16:35:05] <celyr> okay
3030 [16:35:14] <celyr> There are long reasons (read superficially)
3031 [16:35:48] <greycat> I guess the short-term answer is "change all your scripts and applications to run s-nail instead of mailx, or manually change the /etc/alternatives/mailx symlink"
3032 [16:36:07] <celyr> did the first
3033 [16:36:14] <celyr> hope it won't break again in the future
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3049 [16:38:16] <glaucom> same error in su
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3051 [16:38:44] <glaucom> problem is in the instalation; i set same password to user and root
3052 [16:38:49] <glaucom> but, root not works
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3056 [16:39:33] <celyr> glaucom, fear not init=/bin/bash and passwd
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3059 [16:40:23] <greycat> I'm not convinced that we're up to "ifrp" yet.
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3063 [16:41:04] <celyr> ifrp ?
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3065 [16:41:29] <greycat> a dpkg trigger, short for "i forgot root's password"
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3071 [16:43:44] <glaucom> debian 9 ... full bugs...
3072 [16:44:06] <greycat> Nobody else has reported a problem with the root password as far as I'm aware.
3073 [16:44:32] <BluesKaj> debian 9 runs well here
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3075 [16:44:36] <glaucom> i try in vm same iso. not conect em apt sources... and not install grub....
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3077 [16:44:59] <Shadur> What happens when you type 'su -' and use the root password?
3078 [16:45:00] <glaucom> BluesKaj: 9.0.1 ?
3079 [16:45:05] <wbt3732> glaucom: i just did a netinst/mini.iso install. no problem with separated root / user passwords.
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3081 [16:45:18] <greycat> 9.0.1 is the version number of the Live images, which were just fixed yesterday or the day before.
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3086 [16:45:43] <NapoleonWils0n> hi all
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3089 [16:46:02] <NapoleonWils0n> looks like firefox 54 requires pulseaudio for sound, lame
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3091 [16:46:17] <greycat> good thing we're still on 52, then
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3093 [16:46:24] <NapoleonWils0n> anyone know how to change chromium alsa device
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3096 [16:46:25] <wbt3732> NapoleonWils0n: yes it does. and yes, that's lame.
3097 [16:46:30] <BluesKaj> NapoleonWils0n, yup, I use chrome now instead
3098 [16:46:31] <glaucom> 9.0.0 works, but impossible install using live usb. fixed in 9.0.1,
3099 [16:46:36] <NapoleonWils0n> dealbreaker
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3103 [16:47:08] <greycat> glaucom: so you're saying that the problem with the root password only happens in the 9.0.1 **LIVE** images, not in the 9.0.0 LIVE image?
3104 [16:47:16] <celyr> glaucom, Installed 2 debian 9 from scratch and updated 6 VM from jessie to debian
3105 [16:47:33] <celyr> only thing I had to complain about was exim4 installation and... it turned out that it was my fault
3106 [16:47:41] <celyr> so not really sure about full of bugs
3107 [16:47:42] <celyr> lol
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3110 [16:47:55] <glaucom> 9.0.0 i deleted, no works intalation in iso live.
3111 [16:48:10] <celyr> aha
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3113 [16:48:38] <NapoleonWils0n> this seems to be the chromium alsa swicth --alsa-output-device
3114 [16:48:49] <greycat> OK, well, on the chance that there actually *is* a bug in the 9.0.1 Live images:
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3117 [16:48:50] <greycat> !ifrp
3118 [16:48:51] <dpkg> For GRUB: 1) press 'e' to edit the kernel setting in the grub command line (add 'init=/bin/sh' to the end of it) 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) 'reboot -d -f' (exec /sbin/init should work); For LILO: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at the LILO boot prompt (hold Shift while booting), steps 2-6 are the same; For yaboot: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at yaboot prompt.
3119 [16:48:56] <glaucom> replaced-url
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3121 [16:49:12] <greycat> We know 9.0.0 Live didn't work.
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3123 [16:50:06] <BluesKaj> glaucom, use the netinstall image with the non-gui installer and you'l be fine
3124 [16:50:06] <glaucom> now... i download 9.0.1 ... in VM> replaced-url
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3127 [16:50:40] <glaucom> Virtualbox replaced-url
3128 [16:50:45] <glaucom> is other problem ?
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3130 [16:51:09] <celyr> I used netinstall and actually not had any problem
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3133 [16:51:25] <celyr> glaucom, can you open a console and look for what went wrong ?
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3136 [16:51:36] <BluesKaj> VMs ..not worth the trouble, aleays something buggy
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3138 [16:51:53] <BluesKaj> always*
3139 [16:52:00] <greycat> Follow the bot's instructions to reset the root password if you're convinced it's actually broken and not just user error.
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3141 [16:52:22] <glaucom> i instaled in virtualbox to confirm bug root password in the instalation
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3147 [16:52:53] <celyr> there is no bug in root password, I installed it myself 2 times and the root password is the one I did set
3148 [16:52:56] <greycat> In that case it might be worth filing a bug report against the "debian-live" pseudo package.
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3156 [16:53:50] <glaucom> But when installing in virtualbox, to confirm the root password bug ... then I came across this grub error
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3158 [16:54:33] <jim> how would I set up an lpr printer that prints to the existing default printer?
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3161 [16:55:10] <greycat> You want... an alias?
3162 [16:55:36] <greycat> And which printing system is this exactly?
3163 [16:55:56] <greycat> I haven't seen anyone use anything other than CUPS in years.
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3181 [17:00:33] <cheapie> greycat: The best printing system is "cat whatever > /dev/lp0" :P
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3185 [17:02:10] <mutante> To me the best printing system is the local UPS store and not owning hardware anymore, cause fortunately i only need to print like once a month and i can go there a lot before it cost me even a single ink cartridge and this hassle
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3196 [17:04:39] <th0r> mutante, I agree, although I do install cups and cups-pdf. The ups store can make quick work of a pdf file.
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3210 [17:10:37] <goril> how can i find out if debian developers have signed the ubuntu cdimage signing key (build a web of trust)?
3211 [17:11:17] <mutante> goril: import the signing key and use gpg --list-sigs ?
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3218 [17:12:11] <nvz> check to see if Donald Trump signed it too.. youd know that if you see him holding it up on the news
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3230 [17:13:58] <Fyr> guys, the Debian 9 workstation can be pinged, however, it refuses an SSH connection. what on Earth can happen to a normal Debian 9 workstation?
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3232 [17:14:16] <greycat> did you install openssh-server?
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3234 [17:14:20] <Fyr> I didn't tune anything.
3235 [17:14:28] <Fyr> greycat, yes.
3236 [17:14:37] <Fyr> I installed, it worked perfectly many reboots.
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3238 [17:14:48] <greycat> What is the exact problem you're seeing?
3239 [17:14:55] <petn-randall> Fyr: What is the exact error you get when connecting?
3240 [17:15:17] <Fyr> petn-randall,
3241 [17:15:17] <Fyr> ssh: connect to host 172.16.110.31 port 22: Connection refused
3242 [17:15:22] <Fyr> ping works fine.
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3244 [17:15:28] <shtrb> Fyr , Firewall ? you remember that root login is forbiden by default now ?
3245 [17:15:41] <petn-randall> Fyr: On the workstation, what does the output of 'systemctl status openssh-server' give you?
3246 [17:15:42] <shtrb> Are you sure it is even up
3247 [17:15:42] <Fyr> shtrb, I'm trying user login.
3248 [17:15:43] <greycat> Either sshd is not running, or there is a firewall. On one end or the other.
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3250 [17:15:53] <jhutchins_wk> Fyr: Are you saying that it was working and it stopped?
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3252 [17:16:09] <Fyr> greycat, can this happen if NTP server stopped working?
3253 [17:16:14] <greycat> First verify whether it's running at all. Then verify that you can ssh localhost from the workstation.
3254 [17:16:15] <shtrb> does telnet 172.16.110.31 22 work for you ?
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3257 [17:16:18] <ychaouche> was there an attack on the channel just now ?
3258 [17:16:18] <Fyr> because it stopped working.
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3260 [17:16:28] <shtrb> Fyr , does telnet 172.16.110.31 22 work for you ?
3261 [17:16:28] <greycat> time sync issues would not cause this error
3262 [17:16:36] <Fyr> telnet: connect to address 172.16.110.31: Connection refused
3263 [17:16:48] <shtrb> you forgot the 22
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3265 [17:17:23] <shtrb> "telnet 172.16.110.31 22"
3266 [17:17:39] <Fyr> shtrb,
3267 [17:17:39] <Fyr> telnet: connect to address 172.16.110.31: Connection refused
3268 [17:17:55] <Fyr> with 22
3269 [17:17:57] <jhutchins_wk> Fyr: That implies that sshd isn't running.
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3271 [17:18:04] <greycat> First verify whether it's running at all. Then verify that you can ssh localhost from the workstation.
3272 [17:18:08] <shtrb> firewall , sshd down or you listen on a different ip/ port
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3277 [17:18:39] <Fyr> so, it means I need a physical access to the computer.
3278 [17:18:40] <mutante> not firewall, would not be refused
3279 [17:18:48] <greycat> mutante: yes, it could be.
3280 [17:19:01] <shtrb> mutante , firewall would not allow even a SYN
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3282 [17:19:07] <greycat> firewalls can either drop the packets on the floor, or they can send back a rejection identical to the one you see if the service is not running
3283 [17:19:36] <Shahnaz> allowed to ask about keepalived? or only in offtopic chan?
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3285 [17:20:00] <shtrb> !ask
3286 [17:20:00] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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3295 [17:21:11] <teraflops> mutante: drop vs reject
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3304 [17:22:39] <SupaYoshi_> is php 5.4 repository in debian 8?
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3306 [17:23:40] <Shadur> .. Doubt it. Pretty sure Jessie has 5.7
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3309 [17:23:58] <greycat> No, jessie (debian 8) has 5.6.30
3310 [17:23:59] <Shahnaz> ok, thx. i have a virtual server configured in keepalived. BUT it also reponds on external interface. even though virtual intenal ip is bound to internal vlan interface ...
3311 [17:24:02] <Shahnaz> any ideas?
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3322 [17:27:04] <r1ngw0rm> what is the command to upgrade the distro to the newest
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3324 [17:27:09] <r1ngw0rm> in debian
3325 [17:27:30] <jim> for that,
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3328 [17:27:42] <jim> you should really read the release notes
3329 [17:27:42] <greycat> r1ngw0rm: what version of Debian are you running now, and what version do you want to upgrade to?
3330 [17:27:58] <jhutchins_wk> dpkg: tell r1ngw0rm about jessie->stretch
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3333 [17:28:24] <jim> but the first step is bring it uptodate on the version you have now
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3336 [17:28:38] <goril> dpkg: tell goril about jessie->stretch
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3370 [17:43:33] <f-a> hello, is there a way to know which packets were added to stretch (that were not present in jessie
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3377 [17:47:01] <jhutchins_wk> f-a: You realize that there are about 30,000 packages in a Debian release (probably more these days).
3378 [17:47:15] <jhutchins_wk> f-a: I would start with the release notes.
3379 [17:47:18] <greycat> "over 51000" according to replaced-url
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3381 [17:47:36] <jhutchins_wk> greycat: Yeah, 30k was an old number.
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3396 [17:54:04] <queso> I'm getting a warning that apt can't update packages for deb replaced-url
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3399 [17:54:57] <funny> Which projects if you work will help to learn on the way coding
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3401 [17:55:06] <towo`> queso, firefox-esr is in deb replaced-url
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3415 [18:02:43] <babilen> judd: v firefox-esr
3416 [18:02:44] <judd> Package: firefox-esr on amd64 -- jessie: 45.9.0esr-1~deb8u1; stretch: 45.9.0esr-1; jessie-backports/firefox-release: 52.1.0esr-1~bpo80+1; wheezy-security: 52.2.0esr-1~deb7u1; jessie-security: 52.2.0esr-1~deb8u1; stretch-security: 52.2.0esr-1~deb9u1; buster: 52.2.0esr-1; sid: 52.2.0esr-1
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3420 [18:03:06] <r1ngw0rm> is iceweasel the safest browser
3421 [18:03:36] <towo`> iceweasel is dead
3422 [18:03:37] <greycat> that's a complicated question
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3429 [18:05:03] <dontknow> r1ngw0rm, firefox with firejail
3430 [18:05:07] <teraflops> r1ngw0rm: safest browser is not using a browser I think
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3432 [18:05:21] <Quatroking> I just installed debian on two machines, without desktop environments
3433 [18:05:22] <queso> towo`: I'm not using ESR.
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3435 [18:05:32] <Quatroking> is there any way to enable x11 forwarding for when I need it?
3436 [18:05:50] <teraflops> dontknow: chromium and even iexplorer already do sandboxing
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3438 [18:06:00] <greycat> Quatroking: install xauth on both ends, and use ssh -X
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3440 [18:06:13] <towo`> queso, replaced-url
3441 [18:06:15] <queso> towo`: Oh, I see... it's been merged into jessie security.
3442 [18:06:20] <dontknow> teraflops, but they have access to your home
3443 [18:06:30] <queso> towo`: Got it, that's easier. :) Thank you.
3444 [18:06:30] <teraflops> ಠ_ಠ
3445 [18:06:36] <Quatroking> alright I'll try that
3446 [18:06:40] <greycat> ,v firefox-release
3447 [18:06:42] <judd> No package named 'firefox-release' was found in amd64.
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3449 [18:06:58] <teraflops> If you read the amount of CVE of main web browsers you wont sleep anymore
3450 [18:07:39] <greycat> towo`: what's the package name for the "newer than esr" firefox thing in Debian?
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3453 [18:08:48] <towo`> ,v firefox
3454 [18:08:49] <judd> Package: firefox on amd64 -- jessie-backports/firefox-release: 52.0-1~bpo80+1; sid: 54.0-1; experimental: 55.0~b2-1
3455 [18:08:50] <dontknow> only firefox
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3458 [18:09:49] <greycat> I am confused by "jessie-backports/firefox-release". Is that a separate repostory from "jessie-backports"?
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3465 [18:12:53] <jhutchins_wk> I know they've been using the term "release" to indicate the official in-distro package, as opposed to testing or devel or whatever they call it.
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3468 [18:13:13] <greycat> No, they used "firefox-release" to differentiate it from "firefox-esr"
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3477 [18:15:48] <dontknow> before the stretch stable release, firefox release was working (54.0.1). after it switched to stretch release, somewhat they removed it from mozilla.debian.net
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3480 [18:16:44] <dontknow> so the release firefox actually can work on stretch
3481 [18:17:06] <heibol> :O
3482 [18:17:15] <heibol> I will try it.
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3484 [18:18:01] <jelly> it can work if it's built properly, and there's no proper build available at present time
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3506 [18:32:01] <fasdfd> Should I purge xserver-xorg-input-synaptics or is there another recommended way of using libinput after upgrading to debian 9? (tap to click doesn't work with synaptics anymore)
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3512 [18:33:34] <teraflops> fasdfd: are you sure it does not work or it's just is not enabled?
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3515 [18:33:54] <fasdfd> It cannot be enabled in gnome settings anymore
3516 [18:34:10] <fasdfd> This shouldn't be shipped this way BTW.
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3519 [18:34:54] <teraflops> fasdfd: iirc gnome defaults to libunput (at least the built in mouse/touchpad application)
3520 [18:35:35] <teraflops> and it doesnt show such feature youre missing
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3522 [18:36:05] <fasdfd> AFAIK debian defaults 9 to synaptics and even though libinput is installed synaptics is used. tap to click option is only visible in gnome with libinput
3523 [18:36:11] <lovelybac0n> Yoæ
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3526 [18:36:36] <teraflops> fasdfd: nope
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3540 [18:37:53] <fasdfd> teraflops: removing synaptics fixed my problem, what is it like in reality then?
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3545 [18:39:05] <teraflops> I told you, it uses libinput by default, even gnome
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3550 [18:39:15] <teraflops> fasdfd: replaced-url
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3552 [18:40:05] <fasdfd> But I don't understand why it would fix my problem then.
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3557 [18:40:36] <fasdfd> Plus synclient worked normally (spilled a lot of lines of text)
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3576 [18:49:35] <fasdfd> GNOME related: What replaces dconf's org.gnome.settings-daemon.plugins.updates in GNOME 3.22 or alternatively how do I make my system notify me of normal (non security) updates once a day? Software and Updates' "When there are other updates" option is grayed out and this dconf setting is gone, so I'm lost.
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3578 [18:50:10] <greycat> ... why would there be any non-security updates? what would those be?
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3582 [18:50:48] <mr> hi
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3584 [18:51:24] <Quatroking> so uh
3585 [18:51:39] <nkuttler> greycat: shiny new stuff
3586 [18:51:40] <mr> can you speake franko
3587 [18:51:44] <Quatroking> I now have two nice headless dell FX160's running Debian
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3589 [18:51:48] <Quatroking> what the hell do I do with them
3590 [18:51:58] <fasdfd> <greycat> third party repos?
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3592 [18:52:11] <fasdfd> backports
3593 [18:52:13] <mr> heeey
3594 [18:52:15] <mr> i here
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3597 [18:52:28] <fasdfd> perhaps that firefox update that comes once a year
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3602 [18:53:35] <greycat> I don't think we have a Franko-Arabic channel.
3603 [18:53:45] <mr> ??
3604 [18:53:57] <mr> i can speake arabic and franko
3605 [18:54:09] <petn-randall> french?
3606 [18:54:11] <petn-randall> !ar
3607 [18:54:11] <dpkg> rumour has it, ar is a program packaged in binutils to create, modify, and extract from archives (man ar), or argentina, or #debian-ar on irc.oftc.net.
3608 [18:54:20] <petn-randall> !arabic
3609 [18:54:20] <dpkg> مرحبا! للحصول على الدعم باللغة العربية لتوزيعة دبيان جنو\لينيكس , الرجاء التوجه الى قناة ##debian-ar
3610 [18:54:20] <Quatroking> don't randomly pm me mr, it's rude
3611 [18:54:39] <somiaj> mr: do you have a debian support question. This is not a social channel.
3612 [18:55:01] <petn-randall> mr: Are you running Kali or Parrot?
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3616 [18:56:10] <mr> thanks
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3619 [18:56:36] <f-a> hello, while installing tails I get this "/dev/sdb" is configured as non-removable by its manufacturer and Tails will fail to start on it. Please try installing on a different model.
3620 [18:56:53] <f-a> is there a way to change the stick and turn it into "removable" or should I buy a new one?
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3631 [19:00:15] <somiaj> f-a: what kinda of stick is it? Just a normal usb thumb drive? Does it have more than one partition?
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3633 [19:00:58] <f-a> somiaj: it is a normal usb. it currently was dd'd with debian-installer iso
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3635 [19:01:48] <somiaj> f-a: I am unsure if that could be the issue, but it could be wanting a single partition to consider it removable. The debian install iso is very hibrid and has a strange partition table that may confuse the software you are using.
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3639 [19:02:09] <somiaj> I don't know the software, so this is mostly just a guess and knowing that windows won't read secondary partitions on removable media
3640 [19:02:16] <f-a> somiaj: should I remove everything with fdisk and then mk.fs something?
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3650 [19:05:47] <f-a> somiaj: apparently it's still the same problem. And I was able to install tails on it some months ago (on jessie)
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3657 [19:08:02] <somiaj> f-a: I don't know tails well enough to know what the issue could be.
3658 [19:08:03] <somiaj> ,v tails
3659 [19:08:04] <judd> No package named 'tails' was found in amd64.
3660 [19:08:22] <somiaj> f-a: also what is tails, I don't see a debian package for it.
3661 [19:08:47] <f-a> sorry somiaj, tails-installer-launcher, it was in jessie-backports
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3663 [19:09:45] <somiaj> ,v tails-installer-launcher
3664 [19:09:46] <judd> No package named 'tails-installer-launcher' was found in amd64.
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3666 [19:10:16] <somiaj> f-a: still not finding any such package in debian.
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3668 [19:10:38] <greycat> tails-installer - Installer for the Tails live operating system
3669 [19:10:39] <f-a> yeah, because I keep typing silly stuff
3670 [19:10:46] <f-a> replaced-url
3671 [19:10:56] <greycat> ,v tails-installer
3672 [19:10:57] <judd> Package: tails-installer on amd64 -- jessie-backports: 4.4.6+dfsg-1~bpo8+1; sid: 4.4.14+dfsg-1
3673 [19:11:03] <somiaj> ahh looks like it was removed from stretch, maybe due to this type of bug
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3675 [19:11:41] <f-a> well, cat /sys/block/sdb/removable <-- 1, let's see what happens if I change it to 0
3676 [19:11:47] <somiaj> replaced-url
3677 [19:11:48] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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3679 [19:12:12] <somiaj> anyways, that is why it is not in stretch, seems there is no trust of upstream to not change things in the future. Might not explain what the problem is at this point.
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3682 [19:12:26] <f-a> thanks
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3684 [19:13:03] <somiaj> f-a: you also may find upstream more useful for supporting this than #debian.
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3688 [19:14:07] <f-a> somiaj: indeed. I was curious on what a non-removable usb stick was/is, I'll make sure to ask tails about this
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3695 [19:17:55] <somiaj> f-a: replaced-url
3696 [19:18:52] <somiaj> this may have some info, not really linux related, but it talks about a RMB (removable media bit) on the storage device, so the device itself may contain info on if it consideres itself removable or not. NOt relaly finding much on how linux determines if something is non-removable vs removable, it might just read the hardware bit and use that.
3697 [19:19:28] <f-a> somiaj: thanks. it is quite likely a software problem because cat /sys/block/sdb/removable
3698 [19:19:31] <f-a> returns 1
3699 [19:19:36] <f-a> I'll pester tails dev
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3705 [19:22:48] <mr> mens
3706 [19:23:02] <mr> i need join to dark weeb
3707 [19:23:32] <mr> can speake arabic
3708 [19:23:33] <funny> Why Mr
3709 [19:23:39] <greycat> !arabic
3710 [19:23:40] <dpkg> مرحبا! للحصول على الدعم باللغة العربية لتوزيعة دبيان جنو\لينيكس , الرجاء التوجه الى قناة ##debian-ar
3711 [19:24:05] <greycat> only 3 users in ##debian-ar, but good luck
3712 [19:24:11] <somiaj> mr: do you have a debian support question. I have asked before but you are in the wrong place for just chatting. This is a support channel.
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3714 [19:24:50] <mr> sorry
3715 [19:25:08] <petn-randall> mr: Are you running Kali or Parrot?
3716 [19:25:11] <mr> i need channel to ask questions
3717 [19:25:26] <funny> Which types of questions
3718 [19:25:38] <mr> i want join dark weeb
3719 [19:26:00] <mr> do you know?
3720 [19:26:01] <somiaj> mr: #freenode can help you locate the a channel that could help. I don't think there is any dark web on freenode though.
3721 [19:26:02] <funny> Go to #security
3722 [19:26:17] <greycat> this is a pretty anti-dark network, overall
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3724 [19:26:38] <mr> sorry
3725 [19:26:38] <petn-randall> We're more the deep web. We don't talk to the dark web people.
3726 [19:26:43] <mr> i qiut
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3732 [19:28:36] <funny> People here are darker than dark web
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3751 [19:37:04] <mr> funny
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3760 [19:38:17] <juuuuuu> In Gnome, how can you password protect date and brightness control so that normal users cannot change them?
3761 [19:38:20] <tw> How do you differentiate? "Deep web" is difficult to search, "dark web" is difficult to access?
3762 [19:38:22] <mr> channel is invite only #security
3763 [19:38:24] <mr> ??
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3765 [19:38:31] <teraflops> juuuuuu: ಠ_ಠ
3766 [19:38:32] <mr> you can invite me
3767 [19:38:33] <tw> (totally OT, I just realized, I'll show myself out)
3768 [19:38:43] <juuuuuu> teraflops: what?
3769 [19:38:59] <teraflops> that's a fancy unicode shurg
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3771 [19:39:18] <mr> ??
3772 [19:39:29] <mr> i want ask quetions
3773 [19:39:42] <tw> juuuuuu: if they're on the console, do you really need to password protect that?
3774 [19:39:44] <teraflops> mr: you can ask in #freenode, they are more knowledgeable on this matter
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3776 [19:40:22] <greycat> 13:40 #security 0 No such channel exists on freenode. Please join ##security !
3777 [19:40:37] <juuuuuu> tw: yes, so that normal users that are going to use this computer cannot change the date as they wish
3778 [19:41:03] <mr> thanks
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3780 [19:41:25] <juuuuuu> can it be protected or is it just gnome defaults with no possibility of modification?
3781 [19:41:44] <teraflops> mr: hal tatakallam fusha al'arabiyya?
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3783 [19:42:03] <peixoto> hello
3784 [19:42:24] <peixoto> how comes my scroll wheel doesn't copy text anymore? somebody has an idea? :)
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3789 [19:44:03] <teraflops> peixoto: you meant 3rd button pate thingy?
3790 [19:44:06] <teraflops> paste
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3792 [19:44:31] <tw> juuuuuu: afaik, a regular user can't set the system time without sudo or some kind of suid script. They can change their timezone, but that's it.
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3795 [19:47:08] <juuuuuu> tw: they can just open gnome-control-center and change the date/time there, there's no asking password from there
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3803 [19:51:04] <tw> juuuuuu: if that works when the user is not a member of the sudo or admin group, you should report a bug.
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3805 [19:51:20] <jhutchins_wk> juuuuuu: One of the problems of running gnome, it assumes a single-user computer for most cases.
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3807 [19:51:51] <jhutchins_wk> iirc you can also right-click on the clock display.
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3811 [19:54:23] <jhutchins_wk> juuuuuu: On my system running gnome, I am prompted for root password if I go to System/Administration/Date and Time -this is not on Debian.
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3813 [19:55:51] <jhutchins_wk> (Right click on the clock display only lets you choose location, not set the time.)
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3815 [19:56:44] <jhutchins_wk> I would not expect brightness to be locked down, since that's a user comfort/preference thing.
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3818 [19:57:23] <teraflops> jhutchins_wk: I can understand someone may want to forbid changing time/date on DE (not really but whatever), the backlight bit is what I do not understand at all
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3821 [19:57:34] <teraflops> jhutchins_wk: sorry I meant juuuuuu
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3827 [19:59:21] <nezZario> Hey guys, how does apt work in regards to signing packages?
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3830 [19:59:54] <rocket_man> @nezZario all the packages are signed by the maintainers of apt
3831 [20:00:11] <rocket_man> use `man apt-key` for more info
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3833 [20:00:42] <nezZario> Is each individual package signed ... or is it just the Release/InRelease ?
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3835 [20:01:05] <rocket_man> I'm fairly certain each is signed.
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3840 [20:01:41] <nezZario> hmm so proxying them retains the signature integrity
3841 [20:01:43] <nezZario> that's nice
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3853 [20:03:58] <rocket_man> is there a way not to get notices when someone quits/joins the channel?
3854 [20:04:16] <tw> client-specific configuration required.
3855 [20:04:26] <greycat> Depends on your IRC client. Consult your docs, or your client's channel.
3856 [20:04:45] <rocket_man> I'm using webchat. Do you know where I can find the docs for it?
3857 [20:04:46] <greycat> Or try googling "yourclientname ignore joins parts"
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3859 [20:05:11] <greycat> 14:05 CTCP VERSION reply from rocket_man: qwebirc v0.93, copyright (C)
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3863 [20:06:19] <teraflops> rocket_man: replaced-url
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3866 [20:06:33] <rocket_man> thanks teraflops :)
3867 [20:06:36] <teraflops> np
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3869 [20:06:52] <teraflops> rocket_man: you want smartfilter though (imo)
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3872 [20:07:50] <jelly> nezZario, rocket_man, .deb binary package files _can_ be signed, but this is _not_ normally done; also, dpkg -i will happily accept any unsigned package unlike rpm
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3875 [20:08:32] <rocket_man> won't apt flash a file not verified error, though? at leasts ifyou use apt
3876 [20:08:58] <jelly> apt uses signatures on _repo contents_
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3878 [20:09:00] <LoRez> Deb packages are always signed unless you tell the build process to not sign.
3879 [20:09:10] <petn-randall> LoRez: o.O
3880 [20:09:19] <LoRez> That signature is what allows them to get _into_ archives.
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3882 [20:09:35] <jelly> LoRez, and where is that signature contained? .dsc and .changes or the .deb file itself?
3883 [20:10:23] <LoRez> The .changes file
3884 [20:10:30] <jelly> but not the .deb
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3887 [20:10:53] <LoRez> the signature is not contained in the .deb, no, but it is signed. External signature.
3888 [20:11:03] <jelly> and end-user never sees the .changes file
3889 [20:11:20] <rocket_man> end user doesn't have to, apt checks it automatically
3890 [20:11:41] <jelly> no, apt doesn't look at .changes
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3892 [20:12:26] <jelly> rocket_man, when I say end user I mean the tool(s) an end user uses
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3894 [20:12:48] <dontknow> i would like to state that latest version of firefox in mozilla ftp works like a charm in stretch
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3896 [20:12:57] <LoRez> The repo is signed by the repo key. That software verifies the signature on the incoming packages. Apt checks the repo keys
3897 [20:13:26] <jelly> so the user relies on that chain, and never sees package signaturs
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3905 [20:15:56] <fasdfd> peixoto settings->mouse!
3906 [20:16:06] <fasdfd> at least in gnome
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3910 [20:17:08] <Dexter_F> hi
3911 [20:17:16] <tw> speaking of signatures, does keyring.debian.org not have the debian archive keys or is it missing for stretch?
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3915 [20:18:55] <Dexter_F> say I have 2 displays on DVI. xfce. I pull the display cable from display 2. it disappears and gets thrown out. all windows move over to display 1. how can I tell X "don't mind that, just pretend it's still there?"
3916 [20:19:09] <tw> I'm probably just reading some old documentation.
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3919 [20:20:41] <rocket_man> Dexter_F it might be under settings -> display
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3921 [20:23:22] <teraflops> Dexter_F: most DEs handle it themselves, you can try xrand or any wrapper too I think
3922 [20:23:24] <wonderer> hi all
3923 [20:23:38] <wonderer> i have a debian 6 pc
3924 [20:23:51] <wonderer> i like to back this up and clone it
3925 [20:24:03] <wonderer> to re-image onto another machine
3926 [20:24:19] <wonderer> what is the best steps to carry this out
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3928 [20:24:31] <LoRez> wonderer: debian 6 is woefully out of date.
3929 [20:24:31] <jelly> LoRez, so apt doesn't care about package signatures, and it never sees them. nezZario trusts distribution's repos, but cannot verify each package independently from the repo they got it from. Saying "packages are signed" is small consolation when signatures are not available (at least, not thru normal mirrors)
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3938 [20:25:13] <teraflops> wonderer: grab a spare disk and dd it?
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3941 [20:25:33] <wonderer> dd?
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3945 [20:26:05] <rocket_man> `dd if=/dev/sda of=/media/wonderer/<your_device>
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3953 [20:28:33] <rocket_man> you'll need a live image, though, you can't copy a drive in use
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3966 [20:31:39] <greycat> unless it's all mounted read-only, which is tricky unless you boot specifically for that reason
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3968 [20:31:54] <greycat> booting from a live image may be easier
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3972 [20:32:54] <rocket_man> there's several available at replaced-url
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3977 [20:34:23] <teraflops> rocket_man: well, I think you can, not sure whether the resultant copy will be fine/fixable with fsck*
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3979 [20:34:58] <rocket_man> yeah I can't say I've done it myself, is there a better way?
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3982 [20:35:18] <teraflops> rocket_man: nah I was digressing, a live media is fine
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3985 [20:35:39] <rocket_man> gotcha
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3989 [20:36:27] <edju> Jessie & KDE here -- how would I store the wpa password somewhere so that I'm not always asked for it? In the kmail settings the pwd is greyed out.
3990 [20:36:30] <mint> Whats packet i use for wireless and where i find?
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3994 [20:37:08] <maher> I can't read text in brightyellow on my terminals (currently urxvt) - is there anyway of making brightyellow yellow?
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3997 [20:37:14] <teraflops> mint: for being able to use wireless?
3998 [20:37:28] <greycat> maher: yet another reason to use apt-get instead of apt
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4002 [20:38:04] <greycat> I tried, briefly, and here's what I ended up putting in .Xresources, but it still wasn't enough
4003 [20:38:07] <greycat> Rxvt*color3: goldenrod
4004 [20:38:07] <mint> teraflops yes
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4010 [20:38:59] <teraflops> mint: iirc wireless-tools and wpasupplicant for barebones /e/n/i
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4012 [20:39:14] <teraflops> mint: also replaced-url
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4017 [20:40:33] <teraflops> mint: Im not counting any firmware package your wireless nic may need
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4019 [20:40:57] <mint> teraflops but i dont can use apt without internet.
4020 [20:41:10] <rocket_man> maher: there should be an options tab in the toolbar, try that
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4022 [20:41:11] <teraflops> mint: indeed
4023 [20:41:13] <mint> wxist other place for download?
4024 [20:41:21] <greycat> Usually you install using wired ethernet, grab all the firmware and stuff, then switch over.
4025 [20:41:31] <nezZario> Well how uncommon is it for a small business to set up a custom apt repo?
4026 [20:41:35] <greycat> Either that or you try one of the with-firmware installer images, and pray.
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4034 [20:43:05] <mint> i cannot use ethernet
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4036 [20:43:50] <greycat> Then use a with-firmware installer, or sneakernet the firmware/driver packages.
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4045 [20:45:41] <maher> greycat: thanks - I will try that...
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4054 [20:48:31] <jelly> nezZario, if I can have a custom apt repo for myself...
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4057 [20:49:04] <jelly> nezZario, see /msg dpkg custom repo, /msg dpkg reprepro
4058 [20:49:38] <dontknow> jelly, is it ok to extract mozilla version firefox to /opt/firefox?
4059 [20:49:51] <dontknow> guide told me to do that
4060 [20:50:00] <greycat> Yes, /opt is yours.
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4063 [20:50:07] <jelly> dontknow, debian doesn't care what you do in /opt
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4065 [20:50:20] <dontknow> ok
4066 [20:50:27] <jelly> that's where I keep mine
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4069 [20:51:14] <dontknow> second question. i use firefox with firejail in restricted environment. if i enable the auto update, it wouldn't update the firefox, right?
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4073 [20:52:38] <greycat> My understanding is that as long as you have write permission on the files that constitute the unpacked upstream firefox, it'll upgrade itself.
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4082 [20:55:29] <buu> Hey, I was attempting to upgrade from 7.11 to stretch and the dist-upgrade failed with a depdendency error and now I'm stuck with the following output: replaced-url
4083 [20:55:45] <mint> i do download from wireless-tools_30~pre9.orig.tar.gz in here
4084 [20:55:56] <mint> replaced-url
4085 [20:56:08] <mint> Now i put in pendrive e run in debian only?
4086 [20:56:16] <mint> and run
4087 [20:56:53] <jelly> buu, you first have to upgrade to jessie (8), then from jessie to stretch
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4089 [20:57:09] <jelly> buu, skipping releases is not allowed
4090 [20:57:12] <rocket_man> Try 'apt --fix-broken install'
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4092 [20:57:16] <mint> i know
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4094 [20:57:25] <mint> i will use in debian 9
4095 [20:57:32] <rocket_man> @buu
4096 [20:57:43] <buu> jelly: welp.
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4099 [20:58:03] <buu> This is a remote system so I have limited access
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4101 [20:58:27] <jelly> buu, restore from backups back to wheezy, if possible
4102 [20:58:30] <buu> On the other hand it has no actual user info because it's a fresh install
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4105 [20:59:02] <jelly> then do a fresh install again. Preferably not a fresh install of Debian 7 but something newer.
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4107 [20:59:45] <buu> Well, yes, if I had a choice I wouldn't have choses deb7
4108 [20:59:45] <painfullycliche> Hello! I need some help with installation. I'm having trouble creating an ext4 partition. Can I get some guidance from anyone?
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4111 [21:00:53] <buu> jelly: dpkg-configure -a
4112 [21:00:56] <buu> Seems to have gotten me past
4113 [21:01:06] <rocket_man> you're trying to use partman, while you install?
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4115 [21:01:35] <rocket_man> that is, you're letting the install disk format the drive for you?
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4118 [21:02:15] <rocket_man> @painfullycliche
4119 [21:02:18] <painfullycliche> rocket_man: Me? I did initially. I live booted GParted on a USB drive to try to do it when it didn't work.
4120 [21:02:24] <eugenmayer> what is the best way to install "zendframework" under stretch?
4121 [21:02:34] <rocket_man> hmm, what was the error message?
4122 [21:02:44] <painfullycliche> I tried going through the GUI and the terminal, but got an error. I'll link to Pastebin
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4126 [21:03:23] <rocket_man> .yt howl's moving castle
4127 [21:03:26] <painfullycliche> rocket_man: replaced-url
4128 [21:03:33] <rocket_man> whoops wrong channel
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4131 [21:03:39] <buu> Oh hey, I found a reinstall button
4132 [21:03:43] <buu> How very 21st century
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4135 [21:04:09] <rocket_man> from the error: 64-bit filesystem support is not enabled. The larger fields afforded by this feature enable full-strength checksumming. Pass -O 64bit to rectify.
4136 [21:04:19] <painfullycliche> It's having problems with the superblocks. When I try to fix it, I get an endless amount of... something I forget give me a moment
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4142 [21:05:25] <painfullycliche> rocket_man: I'll go hop on that.
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4150 [21:07:54] <rocket_man> that's for mkfs.ext4, not gparted as a whole
4151 [21:08:01] <rocket_man> @ painfullycliche
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4153 [21:08:15] <jelly> buu, oh well. After getting wheezy back, read /msg dpkg wheezy->jessie and /msg dpkg jessie->stretch
4154 [21:08:16] <jelly> continuing on this path will have all sorts of interesting issues and cruft left over that code for jessie release upgrade would have fixed
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4156 [21:09:17] <buu> good idea
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4160 [21:09:51] <jelly> painfullycliche, which debian release do you have installed?
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4162 [21:10:12] <greycat> buu: also, what kind of system is this? What kernel do you have now?
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4164 [21:10:55] <greycat> going past wheezy on an OpenVZ container will require a bit of extra prep
4165 [21:11:01] <painfullycliche> rocket_man: So mkfs.ext4 -O 64bit /dev/sda1 ?
4166 [21:11:13] <rocket_man> yeah, that's what i'd try
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4168 [21:12:21] <lovelybac0n> shouldn't matter: I think it resolves bit and all that. It's an amazing tool.
4169 [21:12:25] <buu> greycat: It's not a vm, but I don't know the rest because I just lost ssh access!
4170 [21:12:45] <painfullycliche> rocket_man: "Warning, had trouble writing out superblocks."
4171 [21:12:55] <buu> The reinstall screen actually had an option for debian8
4172 [21:13:01] <buu> So that's encouraging
4173 [21:13:15] <jelly> painfullycliche, pastebin the complete output including the command you used.
4174 [21:13:19] <rocket_man> @painfullycliche this is where i normally get stuck lol
4175 [21:13:32] <painfullycliche> output from the terminal?
4176 [21:14:04] <jelly> painfullycliche, output from mkfs.ext4 ...
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4204 [21:24:34] <AndChat235809> Hi
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4209 [21:26:32] <rocket_man_> hi
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4216 [21:30:28] <nezZario> jelly: I seen reprepro couple days ago. I'm talking about is an apt cache and router.. so I can replace/exclude/re-route packages to 3rd party repos
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4220 [21:31:00] <nezZario> so on my systems you could say apt-get install foospazbar and it would install whatever i want (but deb stable by default)
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4223 [21:31:07] <nezZario> is that possible/easy ?
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4225 [21:31:34] <greycat> You can create your own package by that name, and have it depend on various other packages, yes.
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4228 [21:32:04] <greycat> Maybe call it task-foospazbar
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4231 [21:33:03] <nezZario> yeah that's my ultimate intention -- is just provide debian stable + a few third party repos / custom pkgs + meta packages
4232 [21:33:18] <painfullycliche> Hey, who was I talking with?
4233 [21:33:44] <jelly> some people
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4236 [21:33:59] <greycat> bots, more likely
4237 [21:34:01] <nezZario> and just specify like deb replaced-url
4238 [21:34:21] <greycat> "just" "a few third party repos" -??!
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4240 [21:34:33] <greycat> Those words do not mesh.
4241 [21:34:50] <greycat> This is not Ubuntu. Using even ONE third-party repo is unusual.
4242 [21:34:55] <nezZario> nodesource, new versions of php, elasticsearch, percona
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4244 [21:35:01] <greycat> Christ.
4245 [21:35:02] <nezZario> it's a large company
4246 [21:35:10] <greycat> You aren't even going to be running Debian any more. You are making your own derivative.
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4248 [21:35:12] <SupaYoshi_> Hi i keep getting connection refused on debian8 with apache2 and ssl enabled
4249 [21:35:20] <SupaYoshi_> a2enmod is enabled.
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4251 [21:35:29] <SupaYoshi_> but everytime i try going to the address, it's just connection refused on apache
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4253 [21:35:38] <nezZario> oh we have our own custom syslog and sendmail too
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4256 [21:35:52] <SupaYoshi_> ss -tlnp does not show the port as listening
4257 [21:36:13] <nezZario> pushes mail and log messages over amqp
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4259 [21:36:31] <jelly> SupaYoshi_, is the service running at all?
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4261 [21:36:59] <top_byte> What is the recommended software to use when making a bootable usb flash on Windows?
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4263 [21:37:10] <jelly> !win32diskimager
4264 [21:37:11] <dpkg> win32diskimager is much more reliable than <unetbootin> for copying ISO images to USB sticks and you can download it from replaced-url
4265 [21:37:20] <jelly> top_byte, ^^ to write down debian iso images
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4267 [21:37:55] <painfullycliche> Hey, I need some help creating an ext4 file system to install Debian. Can anyone give me a hand? I was halfway through, but when I came back I got disconnected.
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4271 [21:38:12] <SupaYoshi_> apache is running on port 80
4272 [21:38:17] <SupaYoshi_> jelly,
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4274 [21:38:23] <rocket_man_> @painfullycliche yeah i remember you :)
4275 [21:38:34] <painfullycliche> Yes it was you!
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4277 [21:38:39] <rocket_man_> what was the full output of `mkfs.etx4 -O 64`?
4278 [21:38:53] <painfullycliche> rocket_man_: I couldn't for the life of me remember your name
4279 [21:38:55] <rocket_man_> also I think greycat was helping you
4280 [21:39:02] <painfullycliche> rocket_man_: replaced-url
4281 [21:39:11] <jelly> SupaYoshi_, what's your definition of "running at port 80" if you can't see a LISTENer socket with ss
4282 [21:39:17] <painfullycliche> rocket_man_: wait no
4283 [21:39:24] <painfullycliche> rocket_man_: replaced-url
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4285 [21:39:45] <rocket_man_> that's the one
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4287 [21:39:58] <rocket_man_> no clue how to fix bad superblocks, ask greycat lol
4288 [21:40:05] <top_byte> Is there a rolling release of debian
4289 [21:40:20] <painfullycliche> greycat: Hello! Could you give me some help?
4290 [21:40:24] <jelly> top_byte, negative
4291 [21:40:26] <danielh1234> Good evening. What's with the influx of changes on sid after the relative silence until the stretch release? Is it just maintainer focus or is there some detail of the release policy I am unaware of?
4292 [21:40:27] <jhutchins_wk> top_byte: Not really.
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4294 [21:40:41] <top_byte> like Arch.
4295 [21:40:48] <jhutchins_wk> top_byte: No.
4296 [21:40:55] <SupaYoshi_> jelly, any idea?
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4300 [21:41:12] <SupaYoshi_> hey jelly, apache is responsive and working on port 80
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4302 [21:41:28] <jelly> SupaYoshi_, so... where does it NOT listen on? 443?
4303 [21:41:30] <jhutchins_wk> SupaYoshi_: What do the apache logs say?
4304 [21:41:31] <SupaYoshi_> replaced-url
4305 [21:41:37] <top_byte> 443 is https
4306 [21:41:41] <painfullycliche> Can anyone help me with bad superblocks? Supervillianblocks
4307 [21:41:44] <dax> danielh1234: people tend not to upload to sid when a release is about to come out because it makes some workflows more complicated if a last-minute bugfix needs to go in
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4309 [21:41:54] <dax> danielh1234: it's one of the many reasons that Sid Is Not A Rolling Release
4310 [21:41:58] <rocket_man_> @painfullycliche found this on google replaced-url
4311 [21:42:16] <danielh1234> dax: Good to know. Thanks!
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4314 [21:42:44] <budder> hello all, trying to install chromium via CLI but I get "Package chromium-browser is not available, but is referred to by another package. This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or is only available from another source E: Package 'chromium-browser' has no installation candidate
4315 [21:42:44] <jelly> danielh1234, this is normal for sid. Slow traffic during a freeze is what's arguably the exception.
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4317 [21:43:00] <SupaYoshi_> 443 yeah
4318 [21:43:00] <top_byte> sid is only meant for devs and crazy people
4319 [21:43:00] <jhutchins_wk> SupaYoshi_: It would appear that apache can't listen on port 80 because nginx is already using that port.
4320 [21:43:00] <budder> "
4321 [21:43:10] <rocket_man_> @painfullycliche this was the command they used, might not want to hit that unless you're sure you don't care about data $ sudo e2fsck -f -b 32768 -y /dev/sdb1
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4323 [21:43:32] <jhutchins_wk> top_byte: sid is not really intended as a release/distribution. It's a repository of packages moving toward testing.
4324 [21:43:40] <painfullycliche> rocket_man_: Thanks, I looked at that. That's using one of the backup datablocks. But none of the backups worked, not the newest or oldest either.
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4326 [21:43:46] <danielh1234> jelly: Yes, that exception got me confused a bit.
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4328 [21:43:55] <greycat> !slushy
4329 [21:43:56] <dpkg> When a <testing> release becomes frozen, <unstable> tends to partially freeze as well. This is because developers are reluctant to upload radically new software to unstable, in case the frozen software in testing needs minor updates and to fix release critical bugs which keep testing from becoming <stable>.
4330 [21:43:56] <painfullycliche> rocket_man_: And I'm not worried about data. Nothing on it, an old computer.
4331 [21:43:59] <jelly> danielh1234, see /msg dpkg slushsy
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4333 [21:44:19] <greycat> sorry, I ninjaed you a bit
4334 [21:44:24] <jelly> also see
4335 [21:44:26] <jelly> !debian-next
4336 [21:44:27] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
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4339 [21:44:56] <jelly> at least yours didn't have a typo
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4341 [21:44:58] <SupaYoshi_> nevermind
4342 [21:45:01] <SupaYoshi_> thats it...
4343 [21:45:27] <budder> trying to install chromium via CLI but am getting "Package chromium-browser is not available, but is referred to by another package. This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or is only available from another source E: Package 'chromium-browser' has no installation candidate" any ideas?
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4346 [21:45:55] <danielh1234> greycat: jelly: Thanks.
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4351 [21:46:40] <danielh1234> budder: try just `chromium`
4352 [21:46:42] <rocket_man_> budder: try chromium-browser
4353 [21:46:47] <painfullycliche> rocket_man_: I'm not sure what to do at this point. None of the backup superblocks work... but I have no data to save, so I'm sure there's a way to just scrub clean the existing blocks to make a new ext4 system
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4355 [21:47:02] <rocket_man_> budder: i mean `apt search chromium-browser`
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4360 [21:47:37] <jhutchins_wk> painfullycliche: what if you try just a standard ext4 with no options? What if you try an ext3?
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4362 [21:48:00] <jelly> painfullycliche, verify there are no error messages in dmesg that point to issues with hard disk. Verify /dev/sda partition table is sane.
4363 [21:48:01] <jhutchins_wk> painfullycliche: Is it possible that the hardware is failing? Can you check it with smartmontools?
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4366 [21:48:43] <jhutchins_wk> ,v chromium-browser
4367 [21:48:44] <judd> Package: chromium-browser on amd64 -- wheezy: 37.0.2062.120-1~deb7u1; wheezy-security: 37.0.2062.120-1~deb7u1
4368 [21:48:56] <jelly> it's just chromium now.
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4370 [21:48:58] <budder> danielh1234: that did it, thanks!
4371 [21:48:59] <jhutchins_wk> ,v chromium
4372 [21:49:00] <judd> Package: chromium on amd64 -- wheezy: 37.0.2062.120-1~deb7u1; wheezy-security: 37.0.2062.120-1~deb7u1; jessie-security: 57.0.2987.98-1~deb8u1; jessie: 57.0.2987.98-1~deb8u1; buster: 59.0.3071.86-1; stretch: 59.0.3071.86-1; sid: 59.0.3071.104-1
4373 [21:49:10] <painfullycliche> There were errors with the hard drive. It's old. I looked at it with gsmartcontrol, and the tests said... let me check.
4374 [21:49:19] <jhutchins_wk> Possibly in contrib/non-free?
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4377 [21:49:25] <budder> thanks for the tip rocket_man_
4378 [21:49:30] <painfullycliche> Want me to post the results? They're lengthy and I can't really read them.
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4381 [21:49:44] <jelly> painfullycliche, sure
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4384 [21:49:58] <jelly> but please can you use a different pastebin site
4385 [21:50:00] <jelly> !paste
4386 [21:50:00] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: replaced-url
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4390 [21:50:39] <danielh1234> jhutchins_wk: It was just renamed to `chromium`.
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4392 [21:53:49] <jhutchins_wk> painfullycliche: The main thing is if you're seeing growing badblocks - not superblocks, just blocks - your device is dying and should not be trusted with data.
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4398 [21:55:28] <jhutchins_wk> painfullycliche: Because SATA drives have a lot of control hardware on board and basically present the physical disk as abstracted virtual hardware, if the errors are bad enough that you can see them from "outside", they're pretty grave.
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4401 [21:56:27] <jhutchins_wk> painfullycliche: I have seen a drive go from no errors to unusable in less than two hours.
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4404 [21:57:29] <rocket_man_> well damn
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4408 [21:58:22] <painfullycliche> jelly: Thanks. Gotcha.
4409 [21:58:24] <painfullycliche> replaced-url
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4414 [21:59:32] <rocket_man_> ouch
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4421 [22:00:58] <painfullycliche> jhutchins_wk: What do you mean by "outside"?
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4426 [22:02:00] <rocket_man_> the drive itself has software in it
4427 [22:02:14] <rocket_man_> the 'drivers' in a computer are just interfaces to that internal software
4428 [22:02:41] <rocket_man_> from what hutchins said, the software will automatically identify bad clusters and won't present them to your computer
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4430 [22:02:58] <rocket_man_> so if it's presenting bad clusters, it doesn't have any good ones left
4431 [22:03:07] <painfullycliche> rocket_man_: awh :c
4432 [22:03:26] <jhutchins_wk> Exactly, that or something else is really wrong.
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4437 [22:03:52] <painfullycliche> jhutchins_wk: Is it unsalvageable?
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4439 [22:04:24] <nvz> painfullycliche: all hard drives in the las 25 years or so fit into a class called IDE which means integrated drive electronics where the disk controller is on the drive not the motherboard, they also typically have SMART or self monitoring and reporting technology which keeps a log of all errors, updime, etc, and when it finds a bad spot it attempts to relocate the data and mark the secotor as bad so its not
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4441 [22:04:30] <nvz> used again
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4445 [22:04:44] <asterismo_m> hi
4446 [22:04:50] <asterismo_m> i need help
4447 [22:04:58] <nvz> painfullycliche: so if the kernel knows about it this means its beyond what the disks smart can handle and is in bad shape
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4449 [22:05:34] <nvz> painfullycliche: there are tools in debian that can read the smart data and tell you the info it collected
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4451 [22:05:47] <asterismo_m> i installed debian 9 and the realtek network pci card or network daemon wont connect without the gpu plugged un the pci
4452 [22:06:00] <painfullycliche> nvz: gsmartcontrol?
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4454 [22:06:13] <asterismo_m> any ideas? this used to work fine in jessie
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4456 [22:07:07] <nvz> painfullycliche: never heard of it but i suppose the ones i know of are the command line ones smartmontools
4457 [22:07:12] <asterismo_m> if i plug a gpu and monitor, the box gets connected and i can ssh to it
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4460 [22:07:33] <nvz> painfullycliche: it will tell you basically the life story of that drive
4461 [22:07:38] <asterismo_m> if i remove the pci graphic card the box starts but cannot ssh to it
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4463 [22:07:46] <jhutchins_wk> painfullycliche: It's likely to take more of your time than it's worth to manage it if you do try to use it for non-critical data, especially given the cost of storage these days.
4464 [22:07:48] <asterismo_m> please any ideas?
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4466 [22:08:08] <jhutchins_wk> painfullycliche: I hate to throw stuff out, but when it's time it's time.
4467 [22:08:26] <painfullycliche> jhutchins_wk: Yeah, alright. That's probably true.
4468 [22:08:36] <painfullycliche> Thank you all so much! I really appreciate it all.
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4472 [22:09:00] <rocket_man> i'm back
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4474 [22:09:40] <painfullycliche> Any ideas for what I should do with an old PC, then?
4475 [22:09:41] <jhutchins_wk> I bought a whole refurb Core2 quad with a 250G disk for $99 last weekend.
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4477 [22:10:03] <jhutchins_wk> painfullycliche: Make art? Donate to computer lab? Recycle?
4478 [22:10:06] <rocket_man> @painfullycliche give it to a friend, sell it on ebay, take it apart to prove you can
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4480 [22:10:59] <asterismo_m> the network device is 'enp6s5'
4481 [22:11:17] <painfullycliche> hmmmm good ideas
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4483 [22:11:48] <danielh1234> When using debootstrap, the current hostname leaks into /etc/hostname in the fresh system. Is there an exhaustive list of things that leak / may differ depending on the used system (assuming same version of debootstrap)?
4484 [22:12:38] <asterismo_m> anyone?
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4486 [22:13:31] <rocket_man> asterismo: what was the question?
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4489 [22:14:05] <danielh1234> rocket_man: network only works with GPU+monitor plugged in, worked in jessie
4490 [22:14:07] <rom1v> hi, I was looking for a maintainer for packaging a tiny program I wrote some time ago, so I posted a bugreport for package wnpp 2 months ago: replaced-url
4491 [22:14:08] <judd> Bug replaced-url
4492 [22:14:37] <greycat> asterismo_m: and what NIC-related errors are you getting when it's not working?
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4494 [22:15:28] <danielh1234> asterismo_m: Does your BIOS / UEFI pick up the card when Debian does not? i.e. does it offer a boot-over-network / PXE option for it?
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4496 [22:16:15] <asterismo_m> greycat: it does not work when pci gpu is not connected, so i cannot spot errors easily
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4500 [22:17:09] <greycat> You're going to have to do *some* kind of investigating. Log in. Check journalctl, dmesg. Check "ip a".
4501 [22:17:09] <asterismo_m> danielh1234: i havo not chacked that, but never had a problem
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4503 [22:17:22] <asterismo_m> ip a?
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4506 [22:17:26] <nvz> asterismo_m: logs still write when youre not looking and if you have any other device even a smartphone you can ssh in
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4509 [22:18:44] <lovelybac0n> I get mail all the time about some smartd warnings. Used to be one but now there are two. Any worries?
4510 [22:18:46] <danielh1234> asterismo_m: I assume you have no integrated graphics / cheap USB graphics for testing?
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4513 [22:19:40] <asterismo_m> the mobo does not have integrated graphics, y have a basic ati radeon pcie card
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4516 [22:20:07] <nvz> lovelybac0n: warnings could just be something malfunctioning in the software itself depends on what it says use a smartmontool to look further if need be
4517 [22:20:18] <jhutchins_wk> asterismo_m: That's usually up to the BIOS.
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4519 [22:20:34] <jelly> rom1v, you could try asking in #debian-mentors over on OFTC (irc.oftc.net) maybe if they know someone interested in packaging, seems a simple enough job
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4522 [22:21:10] <rom1v> jelly, ok thank you, I'll try
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4524 [22:21:51] <danielh1234> asterismo_m: Have you tried other slots for graphics / network card if possible in your system?
4525 [22:21:52] <lovelybac0n> nvz, yeah, it looks like a faulty drive, but it have worked for months so I need to figure out if it's an false positive.
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4533 [22:24:18] <danielh1234> asterismo_m: Oh and you do not do any PCI card passthrough into VMs or anything else that might just grab the wrong card? And sshd gets started as a regular service / no custom hackery at work that might be relevant?
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4536 [22:24:51] <ketsa> Hi all, I have a problem with flashplayer in mozilla not working (stretch) I installed flashplayer-mozilla, flashplayer-chromium. It works in chromium but not in mozilla. any ideas ?
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4546 [22:28:14] <lovelybac0n> Why in the lords name would you install a flash player today?
4547 [22:28:25] <danielh1234> ,v flashplayer-mozilla
4548 [22:28:26] <asterismo_m> now enp6s5 interfase is not shown
4549 [22:28:26] <judd> Package: flashplayer-mozilla on amd64 -- buster-multimedia/non-free: 3:26.0.0.126-dmo1; wheezy-multimedia/non-free: 3:26.0.0.126-dmo1; sid-multimedia/non-free: 3:26.0.0.126-dmo1; stretch-multimedia/non-free: 3:26.0.0.126-dmo1; jessie-multimedia/non-free: 3:26.0.0.126-dmo1
4550 [22:28:49] <ketsa> because some websites....
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4552 [22:29:12] <greycat> lovelybac0n: in my case, my workplace upgraded to a new version of Kronos which uses Flash. I don't know why.
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4554 [22:29:18] <lovelybac0n> skip those websites.
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4556 [22:29:32] <greycat> Have to login to Kronos twice a month.
4557 [22:29:46] * teraflops kills with fire those sites
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4560 [22:31:04] <lovelybac0n> What a mess that must be.
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4646 [23:05:20] <danielh1234> ketsa: Maybe replaced-url
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4655 [23:08:58] <tomnor> how do I mount an usb command line as non-super-user. gnome files can do it, I can't
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4657 [23:09:23] <tomnor> mount usb as normal user on command line -- how
4658 [23:09:51] <SupaYoshi_> does anyone know how I create the correct modrewrite urls, so I can forward to port 4443
4659 [23:09:56] <SupaYoshi_> RewriteRule ^ replaced-url
4660 [23:10:01] <SupaYoshi_> RewriteRule ^ replaced-url
4661 [23:10:04] <SupaYoshi_> is what I want to do,
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4663 [23:10:48] <maher> tomnor: try pmount
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4666 [23:12:07] <joan_> Hi,
4667 [23:12:07] <joan_> Now Jessie became oldstable version. When is the moment to change backports repository to Jessis-slippy Backports?
4668 [23:12:07] <joan_> As far as I can see now there are only Wheezy-sloopy Backports, but Jessie-sloppy Backports doesn't exists yet. When Jessie-sloppy Backports will be active?
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4673 [23:14:36] <maher> joan_: when people start to backport things...
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4680 [23:16:13] <tomnor> maher: thanks, that was easy to use. perfect
4681 [23:16:37] <tomnor> maher: I thought one could use the trickery gnome is using kind of
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4695 [23:21:33] <rocket_man> tomnor: I'd bet that gnome interfaces low-level stuff, the sort that's hard to keep track of
4696 [23:22:13] <tomnor> you are right, why bother
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4720 [23:28:41] <maher> ketsa: try something like update-pepperflashplugin-nonfree --status to see if there is a newer version...
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4748 [23:37:47] <kolnpole> ImportError: cannot import name QgsWkbTypes
4749 [23:38:18] <kolnpole> i have istalled qgis but still im getting this error
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4751 [23:38:25] <kolnpole> what to do
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4753 [23:38:49] <kolnpole> i get this error when my script import
4754 [23:38:51] <kolnpole> from qgis.core import QgsCoordinateTransform, QgsRectangle, QgsPoint, QgsGeometry, QgsWkbTypes
4755 [23:40:15] <teraflops> kolnpole: did you try to search that very error on the web?
4756 [23:40:23] <kolnpole> yes
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4758 [23:40:29] <kolnpole> but nothing present there
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4760 [23:40:42] <teraflops> did you read replaced-url
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4763 [23:41:28] <kolnpole> here it says global name not foun
4764 [23:41:33] <kolnpole> found
4765 [23:41:38] <kolnpole> it dont says cant import
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4770 [23:43:04] <teraflops> it looks like youre missing python stuff
4771 [23:43:13] <kolnpole> ya i know
4772 [23:43:19] <teraflops> so
4773 [23:43:36] <kolnpole> donno where i can get that
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4775 [23:43:42] <teraflops> what's "your script"?
4776 [23:44:36] <teraflops> maybe not packaged at debian? or versions are not the ones whatever youre using needs
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4779 [23:44:55] <kolnpole> i downloaded lat lon .
4780 [23:45:11] <kolnpole> ya seems like i have to download manually
4781 [23:45:46] <kolnpole> cuz i also did apt-get install qgis* but still it didnt installed
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4783 [23:46:28] <teraflops> so you are not using debian packages?
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