• 0[00:00:04] <missmbob> !tell echelon8088 about dont break debian
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• 22[00:08:05] <wallbroken> is possible to install networkmanager during netinstall?
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• 29[00:09:35] <tombo> I installed Debian 9 Stable from netinst and upgraded to Sid. But when I type cat /etc/issue.net I still receive output "Debian GNU/Linux 9". Shouldn't it be "Debian GNU/Linux Buster/Sid" or something like this?
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• 212[00:10:45] <Laural> quicktalkeh676te.onion/6697: r0bby PPaFin jesopo kunwon1 mindstorm toogley _Tristan-Speccy_ fauweh_ Posterdati lindbergio anadahz aivkiv tombo UukGoblin nomad_dw dan Psy-Q naos62 CyberJacob ron-slc Attoy tugrik k0nsl js9600 jasondewitt tuv justJanne Apeiron` sturfman deetwelve xingu Andy80 Slumlord_ Eryn_1983_FL beardo Cueball nagarkot Sabotender Silicium zz_phar6oor Malmis WebDawg SkIzZaTo voipmonk Keridos ichthys KNERD xar- tripkin koltrast
  
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• 217[00:10:45] <Zia> quicktalkeh676te.onion/6697: adamus1red ledixus shakalaka benaiah roger_rabbit {sd} boson bitlan LambdaComplex cryptic_ flipp neglesaks elkmoose zupzupper olivetree_ Stummi JZTech101 tapout alekz beaky solution_ sophiya crooz sptnx hplar Cronus indrora UukGoblin XeonSquared Gat0rvean phogg LiamMon Night-Shade Commander1024 CeBe_ redrabbit gigetoo valerius HandheldPenguin` marcoslater mingdao Aebian flyinprogrammer Vorap skney solos romana epilys Namidairo james413
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• 220[00:10:46] <Jeri> quicktalkeh676te.onion/6697: NeonSynth msantana {sd} alxd sabbie reiffert samtunez Sleepy63 Ugrastil ripazha solos Subfusc int0x27h nauticalnexus t0mmy wyre kabo_ CHRiSNEW Chex crash_ multi_io loddfafnir Arsiesys MyIgel bbabich tpanarch1st zykotick9 sobkas nicklodd1n Dreamix AlexZ_ jor dselect krytarik peterandre freakyy lavenders moov Introoter firef1y ioudas^working Joleen tymczenko fooctrl rt Voldenet pingveno Deviance Obi-Wan hycer
  
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• 222[00:10:46] <cgt> Plushfish: spam
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• 226[00:10:47] <diveyez> WTF
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• 239[00:10:54] <moonlight> wow
• 240[00:10:55] <ewew> !ops nickspam situation
• 241[00:10:55] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: ewew complains about: nickspam situation
• 242[00:10:56] <candidat> lock the channel damn it
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• 244[00:10:56] <dards> quicktalkeh676te.onion/6697: Malinux jiphex kingkong holmgren woshty Spydar007 Cueball loddfafnir GDiaX rvsjoen Attoy mardraum ChanServ lsv hayer insecurity HandheldPenguin` TuxShells Ool OS-30227 crayon spinza flyinprogrammer genpaku SnakesAndStuff Zauberfisch p8m thiagoss solos MeanEYE masuberu In33dt0Kn0w1 r00t theraspberry tatalazo conspacer {41444d494e} b _rubik disi jdiez nurupo joze oahong Alisa luckman212 gnugr zwamkat Raziel Stx
  
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• 246[00:10:57] <Nekojimi> It happened again :I
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• 248[00:10:57] <Guest58422> quicktalkeh676te.onion/6697: thalos Len mibo owa vamiry Gat0rvean crownose cha18 mns fonshua kwmiebach Frikilinux L235 distortedvoice spont4e SkIzZaTo gvvg_ gardy dooglus devster31 RT_FM ksft adc Old_Dog Bl4ckC0re tamiko Xjs|moonshine barteks2x Tinozaure Attoy xistens3 pseubodot nickstenn Ugrastil vok` In33dt0Kn0w1 evotopid saitoh183 dbristow phix Hink leibniz ageis pixdamix r0bby Mazhive refresher bub_ thiagoss cbmuser
  
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• 256[00:10:58] <Roz> quicktalkeh676te.onion/6697: sqz cusco somiaj lukaso666 kisser Raziel kardborren ilCyx86_64 jgrasser hata one_over degenerate dynek thebadshepperd solrize ChanServ macsim dan rt Kev- hahainternet webbyz enkrypt soulz c^ mRokita Stummi HeOS vlt phogg Speed`` nux_ MeanEYE Shadur Frikilinux JonathanD antismap cydrobolt n0arch israfel boubou Zambezi dahl sypher boser Pelle` television jstolarek Typhon shabius
  
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• 260[00:10:59] <iamtheneon> oh look, its spam o'clock!
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• 269[00:11:00] <candidat> LOCK THE CHAN
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• 288[00:11:03] <Carole> quicktalkeh676te.onion/6697: AlwaysHigh petn-randall SerajewelKS sobkas johnnyfive ringonoki FoolishOwl Hobbyboy rax0 jonathaN RoyK^ erry crooz Asoka PugaBear percY- Mathisen mutante olegfusion lifeofguenter on1ald dselect nstr abracadaniel BarthezZ clorophormo tatalazo littlebearz80 AxForest sander85 Diaoul tensorpudding strive nshp Penix_ crash_ cherti blackroot Janhouse rlange r0bby notebox marens patsToms toozej camh Keitaro locrian9 paulgrmn Alina-mali
• 289[00:11:03] <Carole> quicktalkeh676te.onion/6697: Emmanuel_Chanel miczac CHRiSNEW gentox crash_ nicklodd1n therock247uk[bnc xcin cheapie ngc0202 roylaprattep marvn alfred_ r00t JLye Cabanossi tonythomas aatwood bgardner slpstck_ t0mmy rvsjoen salomon_ frazr mibo cbmuser evilicey pierrot uxfi raSter^ vok` rhizome_ oberstein DeadTOm Mortumm Freeaqingme he madmattco crayon jonvonb awhitlock8 coke maxxe tharkun AN0NYM lsyoyom karlamrhein cthuluh dynek richardjohn
  
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• 298[00:11:05] <Shadur> !ops can someone set the channel to +r?
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• 301[00:11:05] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: shadur complains about: can someone set the channel to +r
• 302[00:11:05] <r0bby> WHAT THE FUCK
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• 323[00:11:22] <kus> hi there
• 324[00:11:25] <Dagger> we had five seconds to +m the channel after the first two messages... but nope. we have to put up with all of that instead :/
• 325[00:11:32] <Sauvin> LoRez, thanks.
• 326[00:11:32] <r0bby> set +r forever
• 327[00:11:41] <tymczenko> spammie thing on this channel? something new
• 328[00:11:45] <kus> but what about the people who need help?
• 329[00:11:47] <LoRez> It happens.
• 330[00:11:49] <Plushfish> some debian haters
• 331[00:11:57] <diveyez> What a dick
• 332[00:12:00] <Sauvin> It ain't debian haters. It's just idiots.
• 333[00:12:04] <CuSn> Not happening in ##linux, just here?
• 334[00:12:13] <diveyez> Only channel I see it at.
• 335[00:12:14] <kevr> ....
• 336[00:12:15] <Shadur> Registering isn't hard.
• 337[00:12:15] <sophiya> Sauvin: maybe they're not idiots
• 338[00:12:15] <b> ##linux is +r
• 339[00:12:18] <Sauvin> CuSn, ##linux is already set +r.
• 340[00:12:25] <GDiaX> CuSn, don't give them any ideas lol
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• 343[00:12:37] <cgt> I've seen it in other channels lately
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• 345[00:12:38] <kevr> fucking people
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• 347[00:12:43] <kevr> i thought i was important for a second there
• 348[00:12:47] <madmattco> I swear. This crap gets old
• 349[00:12:48] <CuSn> lol
• 350[00:12:48] <kevr> :'(
• 351[00:12:56] <diveyez> Maybe we should report it to ircops
• 352[00:12:58] <cgt> kevr: You'll always be special to me
• 353[00:12:58] <sophiya> Sauvin: maybe they're quantum physicists that got bored and really want to let people know about a new network
• 354[00:13:03] <kevr> cgt: <3
• 355[00:13:05] <Sauvin> It's been happening in lots of channels that don't have +r or +q $~a
• 356[00:13:28] <CuSn> well if this keeps up, those channels will get +r.
• 357[00:13:31] <diveyez> Ten years ago that would have been grounds for a ddos and swat prank
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• 359[00:13:37] <wallbroken> is possible to install networkmanager during netinstall?
• 360[00:13:40] <larvallid> just joined. what's going on? flood?
• 361[00:13:44] <cgt> larvallid: yes
• 362[00:13:46] <wallbroken> (fifth time)
• 363[00:13:52] <babilen> Let's move on
• 364[00:13:55] <larvallid> ok
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• 368[00:14:28] <larvallid> do i need to do anything extra if i'm installing (debian 9) to SSD?
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• 370[00:14:48] <diveyez> I thought we were still on 8 jesse
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• 372[00:14:54] <ChunkzZ> larvallid: nope.
• 373[00:14:57] <thingfish> I don't think so. I installed it on my SSD and well it's working.
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• 376[00:15:13] <LoRez> diveyez: stretch was released this weekend.
• 377[00:15:19] <diveyez> SoB
• 378[00:15:21] <diveyez> I have work to do now.
• 379[00:15:23] <sophiya> last weekend*
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• 381[00:15:32] <sophiya> it's monday
• 382[00:15:36] <LoRez> It's still the weekend here.
• 383[00:15:37] <larvallid> ChunkzZ, thingfish, TRIM support will work automatically right?
• 384[00:15:42] <LoRez> and in UTC, which is fST.
• 385[00:15:43] <thingfish> yep
• 386[00:15:50] <thingfish> larvallid: wait, automatically?
• 387[00:15:54] <diveyez> Is there a command to dist upgrade server versionz?
• 388[00:16:04] <larvallid> thingfish, like after installing debian, it'll be aware it's running on an SSD
• 389[00:16:04] <thingfish> you'll have to manually do fstrim, afaik
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• 392[00:16:12] <diveyez> If I do a regular apt-get dist-upgrade it will install desktop packages
• 393[00:16:31] <LoRez> diveyez: it shouldn't, unless those are marked for install
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• 396[00:16:55] <larvallid> LoRez resigned?
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• 398[00:17:10] <diveyez> Its not updating to stretch
• 399[00:17:33] <LoRez> diveyez: do your sources list the `stable` repos or `jessie`?
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• 401[00:17:42] <LoRez> larvallid: eh?
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• 404[00:18:03] <diveyez> Jesse
• 405[00:18:09] <larvallid> LoRez, my client tells me you removed channel op status from yourself
• 406[00:18:18] <LoRez> larvallid: yes, and?
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• 409[00:18:33] <larvallid> LoRez, ok. just thought it was a bit odd
• 410[00:18:50] <thingfish> larvallid: on freenode, ops are encouraged to only op up when needed.
• 411[00:18:56] <LoRez> diveyez: then it'll just keep updating to jessie. change those to stretch or stable depending. (I'd go with stretch)
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• 417[00:19:40] <larvallid> thingfish, LoRez, oh, i see now. i assumed removing channel op status means permanently losing your rights
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• 419[00:19:42] <sophiya> e = mc hammer
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• 422[00:19:54] <diveyez> replaced-url
• 423[00:19:59] <diveyez> someone made a guide
• 424[00:20:01] <diveyez> Thanks
• 425[00:20:33] <missmbob> debian made a guide
• 426[00:20:53] <eumel> which mailing list do i have to subscribe to for getting release updates like the stretch release? ?
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• 428[00:21:23] <TomTomTosch> eumel: replaced-url
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• 430[00:21:36] <eumel> TomTomTosch: thank you!
• 431[00:21:42] <missmbob> eumel: i got it from debian-devel-announce
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• 437[00:23:52] <Fallenour> damn. they spammed so hard I launched IE by accident
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• 454[00:30:03] <deego> A rather smooth upgrade to stretch. On a boot, however, it hangs for a long time, and then says: Waiting for suspend/resume device. Never happened with jessie
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• 457[00:30:16] <deego> do others see that?
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• 459[00:30:48] <sophiya> I get that on jessie
• 460[00:30:53] <deego> s/waiting for/"gave up waiting for"
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• 463[00:31:04] <deego> sophiya: you did? do you know what caused it?
• 464[00:31:22] <sophiya> no idea
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• 467[00:31:34] <ryouma> jessie has strange systemd things where it waits to shut down forever, or similar when booting. i hope fixed in stretch.
• 468[00:31:55] <tombo> I installed Debian 9 Stable from netinst and upgraded to Sid. But when I type cat /etc/issue.net I still receive output "Debian GNU/Linux 9". Shouldn't it be "Debian GNU/Linux Buster/Sid" or something like this?
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• 474[00:33:00] <deego> tombo: during a normal dist-upgrade, yes, it should change the string there. but with sid, all bets are off. you might want to manually change it
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• 477[00:33:29] <deego> tombo: also, sid is not a release yet, so idk if it even attempts to change issue.net
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• 486[00:37:25] <TomTomTosch> my network devices are still called eth0 and wlan0 on stretch. didn't expect that.
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• 493[00:40:06] <deego> ah, I see that /etc/initramfs-tools/conf.d/resume points to a non-existing UUID. how do I disable that? simply comment out that line?
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• 495[00:40:36] <Artemis3> TomTomTosch, why not enp7s0 like mine xD
• 496[00:40:56] <TomTomTosch> you tell me.
• 497[00:41:03] <JJScrawls> So is anyone having issues with Gmail in Thunderbird?
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• 500[00:41:30] <JJScrawls> When I get to the secondary account authentication I enter my email then click next nothing happens
• 501[00:41:36] <L00thar> I had quite a lot of trouble with Gmail & Thunderbird some years ago.
• 502[00:42:05] <JJScrawls> this is recent, happened in 9 when it was testing and still is happening now its stable
• 503[00:42:35] <JJScrawls> I know its not a magic bullet to be designated stable but I would think they would have fixed it
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• 508[00:43:12] <deego> I don't even have a swap partition. How do I make it point that UUID to some existing device?
• 509[00:43:32] <teraflops> TomTomTosch: yeah, same here
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• 517[00:45:07] <JJScrawls> deego idk if it's possible to create a swap partition after install, it has to be formatted as SWAP space, if I'm wrong someone let me know
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• 519[00:45:54] <JJScrawls> nvm deego: replaced-url
• 520[00:46:07] <JJScrawls> that should point you in the right direction
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• 522[00:46:19] <deego> oh, i don't want a swap space. i just want to remove that resume thing.
• 523[00:47:21] <JJScrawls> resume thing?
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• 526[00:48:16] <deego> so, I simply removed /etc/initramfs-tools/conf.d/resume, and reinstalled initramfs-tools. Will try to reboot and see if the problem is gone.
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• 528[00:48:35] <JJScrawls> worth a shot deego
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• 533[00:49:13] <Eduard_Munteanu> Does /etc/fstab point to that same non-existing UUID for swap?
• 534[00:50:11] <sidetracking> how do i upgrade from jessie to stretch?
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• 541[00:51:57] <TomTomTosch> teraflops: heh, the release notes have the answer "2.2.8. New method for naming network interfaces (...) This change does not apply to upgrades of jessie systems;" ^^
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• 543[00:51:58] <JJScrawls> sidetracking I recommend a fresh install
• 544[00:52:07] <sidetracking> JJScrawls no
• 545[00:52:25] <sidetracking> i already started upgrading
• 546[00:52:28] <sidetracking> am i screwed?
• 547[00:52:34] <JJScrawls> Then modify your /etc/apt/sources list
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• 553[00:53:35] <JJScrawls> and do an apt-get upgrade && apt-get dist-upgrade
• 554[00:54:05] <JJScrawls> sidetracking no you arent I just personally do a fresh install when a major upgrade like this comes along
• 555[00:54:08] <Fallenour> wait...new commands? O.O
• 556[00:54:22] <Fallenour> im already at 1500 pages of commands x...x
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• 558[00:54:43] <sidetracking> cool
• 559[00:54:53] <sidetracking> its preparing then unpacking a bunch of stuff
• 560[00:54:58] <sidetracking> i think its upgrading but idk lol
• 561[00:55:10] <JJScrawls> sidetracking what did you do to upgrade?
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• 563[00:55:25] <sidetracking> JJScrawls replaced-url
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• 565[00:55:59] <sidetracking> im on the last part apt-get dist-upgrade
• 566[00:56:08] <Fallenour> does anyone know of the performance impacts on the stretch upgrade on openstack?
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• 568[00:56:31] <Fallenour> im really curious to check it out, but I dont want my OS env to die o.o
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• 570[00:56:52] <JJScrawls> sidetracking looks pretty good to me
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• 582[01:01:47] <tanking> Is there a way that I can disable the framebuffer at bootup? It locks up the whole system.
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• 584[01:01:59] <tanking> with kernel parameters
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• 587[01:03:25] <jordanm> tanking: yes, use "nofb"
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• 589[01:03:51] <tanking> thanks!
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• 623[01:18:40] <JLye> What does the +r setting in the IRC do ?
• 624[01:19:00] <JLye> other thank unscrew whatever it was that tagged me in a bulk of nothingness
• 625[01:19:07] <JLye> other than*
• 626[01:19:33] <dax> JLye: +r stops people who aren't logged in to NickServ from talking
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• 644[01:30:39] <larvallid> i usually use the option "Guided - use entire disk and set up encrypted LVM". i am installing debian 9 on an SSD for the first time and want a similar set up. how should i proceed?
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• 646[01:33:29] <firef1y> larvallid: I never used that option before. I was usually doing it manual.
• 647[01:33:36] <firef1y> What exactly did it do?
• 648[01:33:39] <JJScrawls> same way as before just set up a cron job to trim the SSD
• 649[01:34:04] <JJScrawls> Honestly I only manually partition if I dual boot
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• 651[01:35:12] <firef1y> JJScrawls: for me, it's only for non-default setups, like encrypted or dual-boot.
• 652[01:35:39] <firef1y> Otherwise, it's just a single ext4 partition
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• 657[01:36:24] <jmcnaught> for SSDs it's often best to simply leave some of it unallocated and let it manage the discard stuff by itself. there's a wiki page: replaced-url
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• 659[01:36:58] <larvallid> firef1y, using that option creates an EFI boot partition (if applicable), main partition for both OS and files, and a swap partition. all partitions except boot are encrypted using LUKS
• 660[01:36:58] <JJScrawls> firef1y selecting the encrypted LVM option works well for me, although I'm not sure if it encrypts boot as well
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• 662[01:37:50] <larvallid> JJScrawls, can you explain what you mean by 'trim the SSD'? and what command does that?
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• 664[01:39:06] <JLye> Thanks dax
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• 666[01:39:37] <JJScrawls> larvallid: replaced-url
• 667[01:39:49] <larvallid> JJScrawls, it does not encrypt the boot partition, so it's vulnerable to evil maid attack. there is "secure boot", which is a hardware feature for Windows that ensures the windows boot loader hasn't bee tampered with.
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• 671[01:40:48] <larvallid> jmcnaught, JJScrawls, i have already read this page and am not sure which parts of it apply to me
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• 673[01:41:31] <larvallid> it is my understanding that TRIM occurs in realtime, every time the disk is written to. am i correct on that? or is it something that needs to be done every once in a while, like defragging?
• 674[01:41:41] <JJScrawls> larvallid setting up a cron job for trim is a better solution
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• 677[01:42:43] <JJScrawls> larvallid if you set up trim to automatically run its constant
• 678[01:42:51] <jmcnaught> or let the SSD controller handle it by leaving some unallocated space. most new SSDs are overprovisioned these days for this reason
• 679[01:42:58] <JJScrawls> it can hurt performance
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• 684[01:43:37] <JJScrawls> thats why most people recommend a cron job to manually trim once a week
• 685[01:43:37] <larvallid> JJScrawls, which way does Windows run trim (scheduled or constantly)?
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• 687[01:44:00] <larvallid> does trimming use up SSD lifespan?
• 688[01:44:02] <JJScrawls> idk I havent used windows on an SSD
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• 691[01:44:48] <JJScrawls> larvaliid the constant can hurt the life of the drive if I understand correctly but its minimal at best
• 692[01:45:10] <jmcnaught> larvallid: replaced-url
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• 699[01:47:15] <larvallid> jmcnaught, thanks for the script
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• 703[01:48:59] <tanking> How do you enable interactive start up mode in debian? I pressed i and added interactive to the kernel command line but it didn't do anything.
• 704[01:49:09] <tanking> Some service is locking up the system
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• 708[01:51:32] <jmcnaught> tanking: take a look at this for some debugging options: replaced-url
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• 711[01:52:50] <jmcnaught> if booting into the rescue target doesn't work for you, you can try adding "systemd.unit=debug-shell.service" to the kernel command line in GRUB which gets you a root shell on tty9 early in the boot
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• 715[01:54:39] <larvallid> jmcnaught, you mentioned that the SSD can automatically TRIM itself. can the controller do that regardless of filesystem and encryption?
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• 717[01:55:18] <jmcnaught> larvallid: if it's a new enough SSD controller _and_ you leave some unallocated (not paritioned) space
• 718[01:55:32] <jmcnaught> you'd need to research if your particular model does this or not
• 719[01:56:54] <sypher> Most modern SSDs are overprovisioned from the factory. This does not require leaving unpartitioned space, the overprovisioned space isn't visible to you.
• 720[01:56:55] <larvallid> jmcnaught, in an encrypted filesystem, can the controller distinguish between blocks holding files and blocks no longer in use?
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• 735[02:01:55] <jmcnaught> tanking: actually maybe the systemd.unit= boot parameter only works for .target units, not .service units. Still if you can boot into a rescue.target then you can temporarily enable it. Other things like removing quiet can help too
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• 740[02:04:53] <solrize> larvallid, i think it can't tell, and TRIM is a consumer drive thing. enterprise drives are overprovisioned more so among other things they donn't need TRIM
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• 744[02:06:02] <larvallid> solrize, so the controller will not automatically TRIM itself?
• 745[02:06:26] <sypher> Enterprise drives utilize TRIM just as much as their consumer counterparts. Not TRIMming a drive very negatively affects performance.
• 746[02:06:40] <solrize> TRIM has to be part of the file system, so it tells the controller where the free blocks are. the controller itself can't tell
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• 748[02:07:00] <solrize> sypher hmm the seagate guy (enterprise sales) told me higher end drives don't trim
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• 750[02:07:08] <solrize> maybe he's fos
• 751[02:07:23] <sypher> Is "sales" in the title?
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• 755[02:07:55] <solrize> he was with some high end drive company acquired by seagate when i was in contact with him, but yeah, he was a sales guy
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• 759[02:08:30] <sypher> SSDs operate via a program-erase cycle. From the factory, the cells are already erased, ready to be programmed. After a cell is written to (programmed), they have to be erased before they can be written again.
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• 762[02:08:49] <solrize> right and the controller does that in the background
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• 764[02:08:54] <cef> solrize: most likely he means it doesn't "require" TRIM.
• 765[02:09:01] <sypher> The majority of the time taken in the program/erase cycle is the erase portion. If a cell isn't erased beforehand, performance craters.
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• 767[02:09:21] <solrize> i don't see how trim helps with that, if there's enough spare sectors
• 768[02:09:25] <rjsalts> assuming you have no empty blocks left
• 769[02:09:26] <sypher> The controller can't handle it in the background if the OS doesn't tell the controller that those pages are no longer in use.
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• 771[02:09:32] <MrBar> Stretch is here?
• 772[02:09:35] <rjsalts> aye
• 773[02:09:44] <solrize> on an overprovisioned drive there are always empty blocks. yes MrBar stretch is up since yesterday
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• 775[02:09:56] <MrBar> wow
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• 778[02:10:03] <sypher> solrize: "always" until you write data to the device equalling its total (including overprovisioned) capacity.
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• 780[02:10:06] <ozmage> hello hello
• 781[02:10:19] <ryouma> crucial claims trim is not strictly necessary because of some algorithmic nonsense
• 782[02:10:30] <ozmage> the mate debian 9 live its useless
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• 785[02:10:38] <ozmage> i cant install
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• 787[02:10:43] <ozmage> and i cant connect
• 788[02:10:47] <ryouma> what do you do to take an already-used partition and turn it into overprovisioning? i am guessing the only thing youc an do is to reset the whole drive.
• 789[02:10:48] <ozmage> no firmwares
• 790[02:10:55] <ozmage> well
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• 793[02:11:07] <solrize> if you mean you're writing faster than the drive can erase, then i still don't see how trim helps. but while erase has high latency it can be done in parallel
• 794[02:11:08] <rjsalts> if the drive controller takes some measure to erase unused blocks in the background, it doesn't matter whether it's TRIM or some proprietary extension
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• 796[02:11:18] <ozmage> the installer is just borked cant load the stuff from the cd
• 797[02:11:21] <MrBar> debian live always bad, afaik
• 798[02:11:22] <cef> ryouma: yeah, but "not strictly necessary" doesn't mean "can't benefit at all".
• 799[02:11:28] <ozmage> and dont install just abort
• 800[02:11:44] <sypher> The drive controller needs to be FS-aware in order to do TRIM without the OS' involvement.
• 801[02:11:46] <solrize> live installer isn't working? oh well
• 802[02:11:58] <larvallid> does debian 9 live have UEFI support now?
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• 804[02:12:07] <ozmage> whereis is the netinstaller with the firmwares ?
• 805[02:12:12] <ozmage> yes uefi works
• 806[02:12:14] <sypher> ryouma: You don't "turn" anything into overprovisioning. The overprovisioned capacity isn't exposed to you. It's handled transparently by the controller.
• 807[02:12:16] <ryouma> cef: sure but in the case of my drive, i don't feel like taking the risk of upgrading the firmware atm, and it is a bit of relief toknow that it is not too bad for disk life, if so
• 808[02:12:25] <ozmage> whereis is the netinstaller with the firmwares ? for wifi ?
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• 811[02:12:41] <missmbob> !firmware iso
• 812[02:12:42] <dpkg> Unofficial <netinst> and DVD installer images containing non-free Debian firmware packages are available for installing Debian 9 "Stretch". See replaced-url
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• 814[02:12:52] <cef> solrize: TRIM erases all these blocks in the background. The OS tells the controller they're free, they get queued for erase. then you've got a "buffer" of known free blocks ready to use.
• 815[02:12:54] <larvallid> and in my case, i will be using disk encryption so the controller really wouldn't know
• 816[02:12:57] <solrize> i think some drives let you set overprovisioning by lowering the usable capacity
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• 818[02:13:07] <ozmage> kk
• 819[02:13:08] <ryouma> sypher: i was referring to the practice, instead of trimming, of only using some of the drive, so taht the drive, which does know that the partition is not used, because you never wrote, can use that for overprovisioning. this is an existing practice.
• 820[02:13:09] <sypher> solrize: Haven't seen a single one that behaves that way.
• 821[02:13:10] <ozmage> cool
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• 823[02:13:27] <solrize> there a bunch of anandtech reviews where they benchmark the drives at different settings
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• 826[02:13:55] <sypher> ryouma: I'd love to know -anyone- that does that. Sounds stupid to me. If I buy a 512GB drive, it's because I want 512GB usable storage.
• 827[02:14:05] <quoth> n
• 828[02:14:07] <cef> solrize: disk writes aren't usually 100% of your time, so the erased blocks have time to build up.. if you're disk bound anyway, you probably need to fix that. :P
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• 832[02:14:39] <solrize> ryouma, oh you mean using user-visible partitions. nah overprovisioned drives don't do that. you buy a drive that says 500gb on the box but it really has 800gb or whatever. so there's always 300gb of space that you're not using, and the drive can background erase and stuff using that. no trim.
• 833[02:14:41] <sypher> This sounds like a whole lot of misunderstanding what TRIM does and how it works. Have fun.
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• 836[02:14:46] <ryouma> sypher: some do, when they encrypt, because of the (imo unnecessary) risk taht trim poses for block level encryption. personally i don;'t care as it does not seem a huge risk.
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• 838[02:14:57] <cef> solrize: I know the intel drives (like 2nd gen SSD's) allowed that through firmware settings, but it's not at all common if at all supported anymore.
• 839[02:15:16] <solrize> cef hmm maybe it's not a current practice any more but i know it was done in the past
• 840[02:15:51] <ryouma> but if you write to a partition, then it cannot do it
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• 842[02:16:19] <cef> solrize: that's exactly the case.. but it's only a small subset of manufacturers and then a subset of their drives that supported it, and needed menufactuer supplied tools to modify. It was never a mainstream thing.
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• 844[02:16:29] <solrize> fair enough
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• 847[02:17:00] <ozmage> after i install what pkg i need to install all the debian branding stuff themes icons wallpapers etc ?
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• 849[02:17:11] <ozmage> its too plain
• 850[02:17:19] <ozmage> plymouth etc
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• 859[02:18:58] <dax> ozmage: desktop-base
• 860[02:18:59] <ld> Debian Slinky Dog release when???
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• 862[02:19:27] <ozmage> Slinky Dog?
• 863[02:19:29] <dax> ld: 1999
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• 865[02:19:42] <cef> solrize: it gained a bit of publicity when intel managed to use the same drive firmware on a consumer model SSD as was used on an enterprise one, and people found they could use the same tools to adjust it.. funnily enough in about 1-2 months a new drive firmware was released for those drives and the "support" went away.
• 866[02:19:56] <ld> dax: oh it already happened, rats
• 867[02:20:39] <solrize> haha
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• 957[03:00:30] <noobish> So, it was super awesome that power failed pretty much right after I accepted the apt-listchanges prompt on dist-upgrade to stretch. Now apt-get install -f and dpkg -configure -a both list a bunch of broken held packages. I know there's no transaction rollback, but I can't even attempt to undo the damage manually because no single apt command will proceed. How can I proceed with repairs?
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• 962[03:01:16] <martman> is there a configuration management system(for spinning up VMs and stuff) thats preferred or more popular by debian people?
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• 964[03:01:35] <noobish> actually it was awesomer than that. Power didn't fail, only the power coming from my battery backup, specifically for this computer!
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• 978[03:08:12] <noobish> I'm reading that I could manually remove problem packages from /var/lib/dpkg/status and reinstall. I'll try that.
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• 996[03:18:13] <noobish> Seems to be working. Now upgrade is proceeding.
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• 999[03:21:09] <deego> Anyone fighting random kernel panics with the new debian? I finally gave up and moved back to 3.16.
• 1000[03:22:10] <deego> Here's the story: I don't use swap. /etc/initramfs-tools/config.d/resume pointed to a non-existing swap partition. I assumed that's causing the panics, so I removed that file, recompiled the kernel, and added noresume as a kernel option. Yet, I get random panics about once in every 2 times with 4.9
• 1001[03:22:27] <deego> s/recompiled kernel/updated initramfs
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• 1004[03:23:17] <ryouma> isn't resume just for laptops and such?
• 1005[03:23:38] <ryouma> did your change improve or stay same?
• 1006[03:23:38] <deego> i'd guess so, yea
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• 1009[03:24:05] <deego> well, it doesn't complain about waiting for missing partition now. but it still panics randomly
• 1010[03:24:27] <ryouma> i hate debugging kernel or booting issues
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• 1014[03:25:56] <MrBar> deego, new installation or upgrade from 8?
• 1015[03:26:21] <metrix> upgrading is hanging setting up openvswitch-switch - what steps would I go through to troubleshot
• 1016[03:26:23] <metrix> shoot
• 1017[03:27:07] <deego> MrBar: upgrade from 8
• 1018[03:27:14] <deego> (which is why i'm back to 3.16 for booting)
• 1019[03:27:21] <deego> but using stretch otherwise
• 1020[03:27:32] <MrBar> upgrading is pain
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• 1022[03:28:02] <deego> In the past, I always waited 6 months before upgrading to a new stable release. I should have done that :)
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• 1024[03:28:26] <MrBar> good idea maybe
• 1025[03:28:49] <MrBar> i newer upgrade between releases
• 1026[03:29:07] <deego> same
• 1027[03:29:15] <MrBar> just prepare for formating hard drivers :D
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• 1058[03:47:07] <Agafnd> hey, I want to install stretch from a usb stick onto a laptop that needs nonfree wifi firmware
• 1059[03:47:17] <Agafnd> is this the iso i should use? replaced-url
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• 1068[03:50:28] <larvallid> jmcnaught, i read up on TRIM. i understand that windows uses on-the-fly trim but it causes lower performance. on linux, trim is competely disabled by default. i may enable either on-the-fly or scheduled trimming. scheduled trim is recommended. using trim will reduce the effectiveness of full disk encryption. is all of this correct?
• 1069[03:50:36] <larvallid> sypher, see above
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• 1073[03:52:30] <larvallid> Agafnd, is your wifi adapter realtek RTL8821AE? i have that adapter and it requires a workaround (not using cd with nonfree firmware)
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• 1078[03:53:14] <Agafnd> larvallid: no, it's an intel
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• 1081[03:53:37] <wallbroken> is possible to install networkmanager during netinstall?
• 1082[03:53:58] <larvallid> Agafnd, you have checked that your intel adapter requires nonfree? most people recommend intel or atheros because of their drivers being built into the kernel
• 1083[03:54:08] <larvallid> have to go now
• 1084[03:54:32] <Agafnd> larvallid: yes, it needs firmware-iwlwifi
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• 1086[03:55:04] <Agafnd> at least it does with jessie
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• 1089[03:56:41] <deego> <Eduard_Munteanu> Does /etc/fstab point to that same non-existing UUID for swap? <<=== sorry for the late reply. It doesn't point to any swap entry, no
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• 1100[04:01:42] <jmanfatty> (just upgraded from jessie) -> "stretch" and "stable" essentially mean the same thing now in sources.list files, right?
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• 1147[04:26:43] <ryouma> jmanfatty: stable will upgrade to buster
• 1148[04:27:02] <ryouma> jmanfatty: but yes stable should point to stretch now
• 1149[04:27:06] <sidetracking> i am stretchy
• 1150[04:27:24] <deego> why does my apt-show-versions show two lines for some packages, such as: debtags:all/stretch 2.1.2 uptodate AND debtags:amd64 not installed
• 1151[04:27:24] <deego>
• 1152[04:27:27] <dax> now, yes. and then in two years you'll get a fun surprise!
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• 1155[04:29:43] <_root_> how could I change the debian sshd config file to allow ssh to my server with old method user+pass
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• 1158[04:30:40] <deego> _root_: PasswordAuthentication yes ?
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• 1162[04:32:27] <_root_> deego, IS that all or any other modifications are nedded for the job. Right now It uses PAM and public key or something.
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• 1171[04:34:39] <simbalion> is there a package that includes cdemu?
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• 1182[04:38:46] <Agafnd> if I want to cp an .iso to a flash drive do I need to format it first
• 1183[04:38:48] <Agafnd> ?
• 1184[04:40:30] <AvatarA> for something like "cp image.iso /dev/sdb", no
• 1185[04:40:37] <Agafnd> okay
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• 1187[04:40:59] <Agafnd> even if it already has something on it?
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• 1189[04:41:58] <AvatarA> it doesn't matter
• 1190[04:42:10] <Agafnd> cool
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• 1222[04:58:41] <maturana> Installed Debian 9 with GNOME and the mouse cursor does not appear in the login screen. I can move an click buttons, but the cursor is invisible.
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• 1224[04:59:28] <maturana> Many problems with this installation. At some point, the interface freezes and sometimes the interface goes upside-down.
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• 1228[05:00:40] <maturana> Do you know what login manager I should install for MATE Desktop. I'm trying that one instead of GNOME to see if it works better.
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• 1230[05:00:53] <AlexLikeRock> maturana, change to " TTY 1"
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• 1232[05:01:02] <AlexLikeRock> Ctrl + ALT + F1
• 1233[05:01:09] <AlexLikeRock> logging, as root
• 1234[05:01:19] <maturana> AlexLikeRock: I did
• 1235[05:01:20] <AlexLikeRock> user : root
• 1236[05:01:24] <maturana> Done
• 1237[05:01:24] <AlexLikeRock> pass: ***
• 1238[05:01:26] <AlexLikeRock> ok
• 1239[05:01:27] <maturana> Done
• 1240[05:01:33] <AlexLikeRock> aptitude update
• 1241[05:01:37] <AlexLikeRock> ...
• 1242[05:01:46] <AlexLikeRock> aptitude install mate-desktop
• 1243[05:01:49] <maturana> Ok. Why not apt update
• 1244[05:02:06] <maturana> AlexLikeRock: I already installed mate
• 1245[05:02:15] <AlexLikeRock> on
• 1246[05:02:22] <AlexLikeRock> install other , LOGIN
• 1247[05:02:29] <AlexLikeRock> remplace GDM3
• 1248[05:02:38] <AlexLikeRock> whit ligthdm
• 1249[05:02:44] <AlexLikeRock> or slim
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• 1251[05:03:01] <AlexLikeRock> aptitude install ligthdm
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• 1253[05:03:08] <AlexLikeRock> "select ligthdm "
• 1254[05:03:09] <maturana> Ok, doing that right now (slim is not internationalized... no good)
• 1255[05:03:11] <AlexLikeRock> and reboot
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• 1257[05:03:21] <maturana> AlexLikeRock: I'll do that.
• 1258[05:03:24] <maturana> Thanks
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• 1268[05:05:49] <NoodlesNZ> I'm having some trouble completing the apt upgrade of openssh-server on stretch, it keeps on failing with "ssh.service: Main process exited, code=exited, status=255/n/a". Can anyone help me?
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• 1278[05:08:28] <rjsalts> NoodlesNZ: what does sshd -D say?
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• 1280[05:08:53] <rjsalts> NoodlesNZ: sshd -d even
• 1281[05:09:28] <NoodlesNZ> sshd re-exec requires execution with an absolute path
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• 1285[05:10:39] <rjsalts> NoodlesNZ: so /usr/sbin/sshd -d
• 1286[05:10:41] <NoodlesNZ> with absolute path it splits out debug info
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• 1288[05:11:03] <NoodlesNZ> nothing overly useful, just keys and that it can't bind to address (as it's already in use)
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• 1291[05:11:11] <rjsalts> NoodlesNZ: and you're able to connect?
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• 1296[05:13:48] <deego> _root_: i think that's all, but idk. try it. don't forget to service ssh restart
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• 1298[05:14:27] <NoodlesNZ> yup, if I do /usr/sbin/sshd -d -p 2222 then I can connect to that sshd
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• 1305[05:15:58] <rjsalts> NoodlesNZ: so if you try systemctl start ssh.service, it still fails?
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• 1307[05:16:25] <rjsalts> NoodlesNZ: and if so, does systemctl -l status ssh.service shed any light on the situation?
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• 1309[05:16:38] <NoodlesNZ> correct, although I'm connected via ssh at the moment, so it's possible that it's conflicting, but I don't see any messages about can't bind to address
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• 1314[05:17:40] <rjsalts> NoodlesNZ: the process you're using to connect shouldn't prevent the process listening on port 22 from being restarted
• 1315[05:17:44] <NoodlesNZ> systemctl just says "ssh.service: Main process exited, code=exited, status=255/n/a", "Failed to start OpenBSD Secure Shell server", "ssh.service: Unit entered failed state."
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• 1317[05:18:14] <rjsalts> NoodlesNZ: for systemctl status -l ssh.service?
• 1318[05:18:23] <NoodlesNZ> yup
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• 1320[05:18:46] <NoodlesNZ> I can paste the whole output if you'd like, but there doesn't seem to be a lot of info
• 1321[05:19:23] <rjsalts> sure, paste away
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• 1326[05:20:06] <NoodlesNZ> replaced-url
• 1327[05:20:14] <jmcnaught> have you run something like "netstat -tulpn | grep \:22" to see which process is using port 22?
• 1328[05:20:54] <rjsalts> NoodlesNZ: do you have anything bizarre in /etc/default/ssh?
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• 1331[05:21:13] <NoodlesNZ> nothing
• 1332[05:21:22] <NoodlesNZ> just an empty SSHD_OPTS=
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• 1335[05:21:55] <rjsalts> and there are no processes listening on port 22 as jmcnaught was asking?
• 1336[05:22:06] <NoodlesNZ> just the one I'm already connected to
• 1337[05:22:15] <NoodlesNZ> pid 10942/sshd
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• 1341[05:24:47] <jmcnaught> but the ssh.service is in a failed state? what does that process fall under in systemd-cgls? it's strange that systemd would not be aware of this sshd process, unless it's one that you started manually…
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• 1344[05:26:34] <NoodlesNZ> I just created another instance and connected, killed the original one and systemd could restart it, but now apt complains: APT had planned for dpkg to do more than it reported back (0 vs 4). Affected packages: openssh-server:amd64
• 1345[05:27:35] <jmcnaught> "created another instance" of what, and how? i can't tell if you're doing really strange stuff or not
• 1346[05:27:46] <NoodlesNZ> nm, I managed to do a dpkg purge and apt reinstall
• 1347[05:27:51] <NoodlesNZ> seem to resolve it
• 1348[05:28:10] <jmcnaught> hurray!
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• 1351[05:31:46] <NoodlesNZ> thanks for your help everyone
• 1352[05:31:53] <NoodlesNZ> finally updated to stretch :)
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• 1368[05:39:25] <donofrio> Happy day for Debian9!
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• 1379[05:48:47] <wallbroken> is possible to install networkmanager during netinstall?
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• 1385[05:50:32] <jmcnaught> it would get installed if you select the gnome or kde (and probably others) desktop tasks
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• 1444[06:28:17] <azizLIGHT> what is debian 9 called
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• 1446[06:28:41] <Digz> stretch
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• 1449[06:28:56] <Digz> but... you could have read that in the topic. ;)
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• 1464[06:38:27] <azizLIGHT> oh whoops
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• 1466[06:38:47] <fnljk> uh oh ! ?
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• 1472[06:41:40] <glick> pardon, why the hell is debian stretch using eclipse 3.8...from 2012?
• 1473[06:41:45] <glick> when 4.6 is out
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• 1476[06:43:24] <glick> anyone?
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• 1481[06:45:46] <glick> wtf really debian?
• 1482[06:45:52] <glick> 3.8.1?
• 1483[06:45:56] <glick> from 2012?
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• 1487[06:49:02] <glick> i wonder what other packages are over 5 years out of date on just released Stretch
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• 1493[06:52:35] <Digz> glick, debian has never been about newest, it has always been about most stable. Maybe 4.x doesn't pass the debian stench test....
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• 1496[06:53:09] <glick> Digz: really? 5 years?!
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• 1499[06:53:44] <glick> at someone point it boarderlines on tarded
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• 1502[06:54:22] <Digz> glick I don't think there is much standing in the way of you just installing a newer version, is there?
• 1503[06:55:11] <glick> Digz: no but whats the point of apt if i have to manually install packages if i want versions newer than 10 years
• 1504[06:55:43] <Digz> glick, thats when you pick a distribution who is more in line with current packages. Debian is not that distro.
• 1505[06:56:12] <glick> such as?
• 1506[06:56:35] <BenNZ> glick: debian does take stable too far sometimes , but thats why i dont use stable , or at the very least use backports
• 1507[06:56:59] <likcoras> I upgraded to stretch, now xbacklight errors out with the message "No outputs have backlight property". setting the backlight through "/sys/class/backlight/intel_backlight/backlight" works just fine.
• 1508[06:57:02] <Digz> mint, manjaro, fedora, there are about 400 distros these days....
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• 1510[06:57:29] <BenNZ> glick: backports uses version 4.9+80
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• 1513[06:58:59] <glick> BenNZ: what do you use sid?
• 1514[06:59:13] <BenNZ> glick: yes
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• 1517[06:59:39] <glick> hmm. but sid doesnt get security updates
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• 1520[07:00:17] <BenNZ> glick: it gets them after stable , just doesnt use a seperate repo
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• 1522[07:00:32] <likcoras> Last time backlight broke for me when I was trying stretch out, I think I fixed it by adding a Device section in xorg config, and setting driver to "intel", but did not work this time. Any help?
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• 1526[07:01:47] <OtakuSenpai> ,v iptables-persistant
• 1527[07:01:49] <judd> No package named 'iptables-persistant' was found in amd64.
• 1528[07:01:56] <OtakuSenpai> ,v iptables
• 1529[07:01:57] <judd> Package: iptables on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.4.14-3.1; jessie: 1.4.21-2+b1; buster: 1.6.0+snapshot20161117-6; stretch: 1.6.0+snapshot20161117-6; sid: 1.6.0+snapshot20161117-6; experimental: 1.6.1-1~exp1
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• 1532[07:02:39] <OtakuSenpai> isnt there an iptables-persistant package on stretch?
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• 1535[07:02:53] <OtakuSenpai> replaced-url
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• 1537[07:02:58] <likcoras> ,v iptables-persistent
• 1538[07:02:59] <judd> Package: iptables-persistent on amd64 -- wheezy: 0.5.7+deb7u1; jessie: 1.0.3+deb8u1; buster: 1.0.4+nmu2; stretch: 1.0.4+nmu2; sid: 1.0.4+nmu2
• 1539[07:03:00] <likcoras> typo.
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• 1541[07:03:10] <glick> backports can mess up your install though
• 1542[07:03:15] <glick> and can make upgrading break
• 1543[07:03:17] <glick> right?
• 1544[07:03:24] <OtakuSenpai> yeah
• 1545[07:03:26] <brolin_empey> likcoras: Use an emissive display instead of a backlit display? ;-)
• 1546[07:03:39] <likcoras> brolin_empey: Uh, what does that mean?
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• 1550[07:05:00] <glick> how unstable is sid?
• 1551[07:05:13] <glick> is it runnable on a laptop for day to day stuff?
• 1552[07:05:20] <glick> i get running stable on a server
• 1553[07:05:34] <glick> but for a productivity laptop its a bit too much
• 1554[07:05:49] <BenNZ> glick: if you use apt-pinning its relatively safe
• 1555[07:05:50] <cheapie> I haven't had any major issues running it on my main box. YMMV.
• 1556[07:06:13] <likcoras> Eh, I've been running jessie on my main laptop for a while, didn't have any major issues with it.
• 1557[07:06:16] <glick> whats apt-pinning?
• 1558[07:06:32] <BenNZ> glick: havent had too many troubles over the years of running sid , a buggy nvidia driver here or there , grub2 was my last major issue
• 1559[07:06:45] <likcoras> !apt-pinning
• 1560[07:06:45] <dpkg> Pinning is a method to choose which version of a package to install when multiple versions are available from <sources.list>. Bugs are explained at replaced-url
• 1561[07:06:46] <cheapie> Just remember, if it breaks, you get to keep both pieces :)
• 1562[07:06:57] <BenNZ> glick: replaced-url
• 1563[07:07:46] <glick> what othe pieces of software is horribly out of date on debian?
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• 1566[07:09:21] <one_over> systemd
• 1567[07:09:51] <Arcademan> I have one quick question: does anyone know if I can load the old black and transparent theme from 3.14 to 3.22
• 1568[07:10:04] <brolin_empey> likcoras: It was a joke. I guess you are using a liquid crystal display (LCD). An LCD uses a backlight. The white light from the backlight passes through a polarising filter to produce the light you see from the display. An emissive display, such as a CRT or LED display, directly emits the light seen by the user instead of relying on a backlight. If you were using an emissive display, you could not have a problem with a backlight because you would not
• 1569[07:10:04] <brolin_empey> have a backlight.
• 1570[07:10:43] <likcoras> Oh, I see.
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• 1572[07:11:22] <BenNZ> Arcademan: i would doubt it
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• 1576[07:12:55] <Arcademan> I was looking at the user themes gnome extension may just have to look
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• 1579[07:13:22] <BenNZ> Arcademan: i would think that you would need something greater then 3.20
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• 1602[07:29:35] <Arcademan> OK BenNZ I may look later: I did like the old theme but I may give this a go possibly worst case I can find a theme
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• 1606[07:30:47] <glick> how can i see what version of a package is in Buster?
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• 1613[07:33:10] <Arcademan> glick, try: replaced-url
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• 1616[07:34:40] <one_over> Windows theme
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• 1618[07:36:15] <glick> in sid eclipse is still at 3.8!?!
• 1619[07:36:22] <glick> what the hell?
• 1620[07:36:46] <glick> did they abandon eclipse in 2012?
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• 1623[07:37:52] <uxfi> hello
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• 1627[07:40:44] <Arcademan> I would have to say so 2016-10-31
• 1628[07:40:54] <Arcademan> replaced-url
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• 1631[07:42:11] <Arcademan> !ask
• 1632[07:42:11] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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• 1645[07:51:14] <glick> whats the reason debian stopped updating eclipse?
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• 1648[07:54:47] <Arcademan> looks like rank is way down from what I can see 6321
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• 1652[07:55:32] <Arcademan> thinking you may look at trying to contact the maintainer for updates in why
• 1653[07:55:33] <glick> if i uninstall the installed version of eclipse the system says there are packages i no longer need.
• 1654[07:55:38] <glick> that i should uninstall them
• 1655[07:56:01] <glick> but if i do uninstall them and install the newest version of eclipse manually features wont work i dont think...
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• 1657[07:56:04] <glick> likd gdb
• 1658[07:56:09] <glick> like gdb
• 1659[07:56:23] <glick> should i uninstall the packages and then install them again?
• 1660[07:56:25] <Arcademan> you can if they belong to eclipse when installed see no problem
• 1661[07:57:08] <glick> so i shold uninstall them and install things like gdb seperately and manually?
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• 1664[07:57:55] <ofg|brtr> hello
• 1665[07:58:31] <ofg|brtr> I have a debian in VirtualBOX and set the network to Bridged Adapter.
• 1666[07:58:54] <Arcademan> yeah you should be able to run apt-get autoremove and install gdb just fine after
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• 1669[08:00:51] <Arcademan> !ask ofg|brtr
• 1670[08:00:59] <Arcademan> !ask
• 1671[08:00:59] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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• 1674[08:02:19] <ofg|brtr> I can ssh that VirtualOS from my Host system but ping return destination net prohibited
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• 1681[08:07:28] <jim> so people can talk about stretch here? how much longer, about jessie?
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• 1685[08:09:24] <Arcademan> ofg|brtr, not sure what the issue is might be if you wait a bit someone might chime in
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• 1691[08:12:20] <iuza_> midori[1689]: segfault at 480 ip b57e8893 sp bfeef6a0 error 4 in libwebkitgtk-1.0.so.0.22.17[b4e5e000+1ca2000]
• 1692[08:12:57] <iuza_> in private mode it works ok
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• 1694[08:13:57] <iuza_> 4.9.0-3-686-pae #1 SMP Debian 4.9.30-2 (2017-06-12) i686 GNU/Linux
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• 1708[08:22:07] <iuza_> no one interested in midori,i guess
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• 1714[08:24:52] <ERROH> How can I install package from a specific origin that shares release with default packages?
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• 1717[08:25:15] <shtrb> -t=origin
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• 1721[08:26:32] <ERROH> But origin is not release. And -t want's release.
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• 1740[08:32:33] <HoloIRCUser1> I was trying Stretch Xfce yesterday on my laptop, but the touchpad settings were unavailable im the mouse areas. Any idea how I can enable it? Touchpad is from Synaptics...
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• 1759[08:42:43] <colttt> Good Morning.. so there is no kde-telepathy available in stretch, is there a good alternative in KDE?
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• 1763[08:44:52] <themill> colttt: kopete seems to be about all
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• 1773[08:47:38] <Aebian> I tried to stop mysql but thats not stoping (using sudo service mysql stop) In order of that I think thats why mariadb is not updating and blocking my apt-get... Anybody can help? Thats the log of dpkg: replaced-url
• 1774[08:48:32] <Aebian> I would just kill it via ps id
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• 1776[08:48:58] <colttt> themill: ok thank, but i thougt that kde-telepathy the new standard chat thing is of KDE
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• 1779[08:50:16] <themill> colttt: yeah, so did I up until I found that it seemed to be abandoned too
• 1780[08:50:24] <shtrb> Does anyone else with systemd 232-25 got errors related to XDG_RUNTIME_DIR (I do see /run/user/$uid mounts ) ?
• 1781[08:50:30] <themill> it was completely non-functional in stretch so got removed
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• 1791[08:55:50] <jelly> Aebian: how old is the running mysqld process?
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• 1798[08:58:31] <colttt> themill: lol.. so back to the good old things.. ;)
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• 1804[08:59:30] <monoxane> woo time to upgrade to stretch
• 1805[08:59:31] <alainbrest> bonjour
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• 1811[09:00:09] <shtrb> alainbrest , good morning
• 1812[09:00:32] <alainbrest> thanks shtrb
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• 1818[09:01:11] <iodev> hello :-)
• 1819[09:01:37] <alainbrest> qqun peut il me dire comment installer mon imprimante hp dans strecth ?
• 1820[09:01:45] <jelly> !fr
• 1821[09:01:46] <dpkg> Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debianfr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debianfr.
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• 1823[09:01:55] <themill> colttt: yeah. was underwhelmed by that
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• 1825[09:02:41] <shtrb> alainbrest , use the standard installer netinstall
• 1826[09:03:04] <jelly> something something hp printer stretch? alainbrest, start by installing "hplip" package I guess
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• 1828[09:03:59] <alainbrest> i think so , but by an other manner ? (cups for i.e.) ?
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• 1830[09:04:27] <Aebian> jelly: may
• 1831[09:04:28] <jelly> hplip works with cups.
• 1832[09:04:32] <Aebian> jelly: may 28
• 1833[09:04:38] <Aebian> but I killed it
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• 1835[09:05:00] <Aebian> killing with the psd id worked
• 1836[09:05:10] <jelly> Aebian: yeah, that's usually the way around that, and it's been happening for years and a number of releases
• 1837[09:05:16] <alainbrest> oh yes , i think hplip works with cups . thanks
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• 1841[09:06:17] <jelly> Aebian: you can "dpkg --configure -a" and "apt-get -f install" after that
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• 1843[09:06:42] <Aebian> hu? I just redid the dist upgrade and got this: W: APT had planned for dpkg to do more than it reported back (6 vs 10). Affected packages: mariadb-server-10.1:amd64
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• 1848[09:08:04] <Aebian> but it works now, thanks jelly
• 1849[09:08:10] <jelly> shouldn't matter _if_ that package and mariadb-server-core-10.1 are installed properly now
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• 1851[09:08:35] <Aebian> yeah not sure if I can remove the mysql package now safely
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• 1855[09:09:33] <Aebian> since so far what I got from the mariadb-installer he just symlinked to the new mariadb processes
• 1856[09:09:42] <Aebian> lets see
• 1857[09:10:13] <jelly> server packages have probably been removed already
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• 1860[09:10:49] <jelly> metapackages like mysql-server and default-mysql-server should be present, and that's okay
• 1861[09:11:17] <Aebian> hmm there is /usr/bin/mysql and /usr/bin/mariadb so
• 1862[09:11:18] <Aebian> ok
• 1863[09:11:20] <jelly> actually mysql-server can be removed in stretch
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• 1865[09:11:45] <jelly> Aebian: what does "readlink -f /usr/bin/mysql" say?
• 1866[09:12:10] <jelly> or dpkg -S /usr/bin/mysql
• 1867[09:12:11] <Aebian> /usr/bin/mysql
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• 1869[09:12:36] <Aebian> the dpkg one says: mariadb-client-core-10.1: /usr/bin/mysql
• 1870[09:12:45] <jelly> ah, not a symlink and not handled in alternatives
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• 1879[09:13:58] <Aebian> jelly: if I do the same with mariadb its: mariadb-client-core-10.1: /usr/bin/mariadb
• 1880[09:14:03] <Aebian> soo almost identical
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• 1883[09:14:12] <Aebian> except the path
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• 1886[09:14:47] <jelly> both are part of same mariadb client package
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• 1889[09:15:13] <Aebian> ok then I leave it as is
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• 1899[09:22:29] <Sabotender> I am trying to install Sigil under debian but I am having issues locating the repo, should I just download a .deb instead?
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• 1908[09:27:57] <Aebian> hmm my system is on debian 9.0 now but it hasn't been restarted since two months. the upgrade guide alltough states that the system will be restarted do to kernel changes or so. Should I restart manually or leave it as is? (never touch a running system alike)
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• 1932[09:36:53] <vadimkolchev> hi guys. I used to think that apt -f install allows to install missing dependencies after manual package installation and it is like this on my home machine. On my work machine, on the contrary, it proposes to delete manually install package rather that install missing dependencies. Why is it so?
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• 1946[09:41:53] <jelly> vadimkolchev: usually it's because it can't satisfy dependencies, and it tries to keep apt state consistent the only way it can
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• 1950[09:42:37] <vadimkolchev> jelly, that's strange, as on another machine it can satisfy them
• 1951[09:42:41] <RamPage> vadimkolchev : group policies (that's what it's called on windows) .. pereferences set to ideosincracies of your system administrator
• 1952[09:42:53] <jelly> it's not strange at all
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• 1956[09:43:19] <one_over> manually installing it usually the only way to fix it
• 1957[09:43:20] <jelly> sometimes you'll get one result, sometimes the other
• 1958[09:43:26] <vadimkolchev> jelly, why? same config, same repos, same actions, different results?
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• 1962[09:43:48] <jelly> vadimkolchev: repo contents may have changed in the meantime
• 1963[09:44:05] <vadimkolchev> jelly, well, maybe
• 1964[09:44:50] <jelly> Aebian: if you've upgraded the kernel package, restart manually
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• 1971[09:46:25] <one_over> it can mess up your drivers
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• 1976[09:47:07] <Aebian> jelly: well the dist upgrade removed the old one so I assume its done, I'll just restart and see
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• 1995[09:53:05] <RebelCoder> Guys, is there a way to start Debian installer from the terminal ?
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• 1998[09:53:58] <vadimkolchev> jelly, yes,seems like the case and it is sad. Nothing in repos provides libssl1.0.0 anymore
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• 2007[09:54:55] <jelly> vadimkolchev: not in stretch. You'd have to put back jessie repos in if you needed it.
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• 2063[10:16:19] <deb_deba> hello
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• 2067[10:17:12] <deb_deba> is there any way I can install debian alongside windows on an old laptop with both usb and cd not working?
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• 2073[10:18:42] <jelly> deb_deba: get the disk out, connect it to a machine that has better boot options, and install there
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• 2075[10:18:49] <shtrb> use pxe
• 2076[10:19:26] <Aebian> hey after restarting my stretch installation has problems with dns resolve. I tried to google but I'm not sure whats the cause. Can someone guide me what I can do?
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• 2078[10:19:56] <jelly> deb_deba: make backups of said windows before shrinking partitions or installing anything else
• 2079[10:19:58] <deb_deba> jelly: its an old small ide, have no idea how to do that
• 2080[10:20:06] <Aebian> even my sudo reports back sudo: unable to resolve host aebian.knight-industries.org: Connection timed out
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• 2085[10:21:33] <deb_deba> jelly: do small IDEs have the same number of pins as normal IDEs?
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• 2087[10:23:02] <shtrb> deb_deba , get an IDE to USB convertor (cost around ~$10) you could should be able to use it to install
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• 2089[10:23:22] <shtrb> I don't know if the UUID will be the same in such a case
• 2090[10:23:35] <one_over> sata to ide
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• 2092[10:24:07] <one_over> replaced-url
• 2093[10:24:07] <shtrb> he said he has an ide
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• 2096[10:24:31] <Mahe> Aebian, does your '/etc/hosts' have an entry for a localhost-range IP address for the hostname as defined in '/etc/hostname'?
• 2097[10:24:35] <one_over> plug into a sata port and then plug in ide drive
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• 2099[10:25:33] <shtrb> one_over , that device look cool does the UUID stay the same if you install debian over that ?
• 2100[10:25:49] <Aebian> Mahe: thanks that was it
• 2101[10:25:59] <Aebian> there was a wrong dns entered
• 2102[10:26:10] <one_over> no idea only used it for windows
• 2103[10:26:15] <deb_deba> shtrb: i'll try to install debian 9.0 with lxde on it and see how that goes.
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• 2106[10:26:46] <shtrb> I think I should have got that instead of the usb device
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• 2110[10:27:37] <Aebian> brb on irrsi then
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• 2116[10:28:57] <shtrb> ok , uuid is written on the FS itself so it should be safe
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• 2120[10:30:37] <p0rt> hello, how can I set xorg driver to xorg-xserver-video-intel?
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• 2122[10:31:09] <p0rt> I own a thinkpad x60 from 2006 with c2d T2400
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• 2125[10:31:57] <Aebian> ok was too quick. sudo is now running fast again but I get a nslookup timeout so still dns errors
• 2126[10:32:07] <Aebian> e.g. nslookup chat.freenode.net connection timed out; no servers could be reached
• 2127[10:32:17] <p0rt> xserver-xorg-video-intel*
• 2128[10:32:33] <one_over> replaced-url
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• 2130[10:33:02] <p0rt> cp /usr/share/doc/xserver-xorg-video-intel/xorg.conf /etc/X11 didn't help
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• 2133[10:33:56] <p0rt> my computer freezes after starting, so I chrooted and disabled slim via systemctl, but I'd love to get X11 to work again
• 2134[10:34:07] <p0rt> I'm running jessie btw
• 2135[10:34:14] <p0rt> s/jessie/stretch
• 2136[10:34:29] <Aebian> in my /etc/hosts is added: 127.0.0.1 localhost and 79.133.59.10 aebian.knight-industries.org
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• 2138[10:35:02] <Aebian> and the hostname and hostname -i commands are returning the correct values
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• 2141[10:36:32] <Aebian> a ping on a domain works also but a dns lookup doesn't...
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• 2143[10:39:59] <jelly> Aebian: "dig +short aebian.knight-industries.org" works for me
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• 2145[10:40:26] <one_over> firewall issue
• 2146[10:40:28] <jelly> Aebian: how are you testing dns lookups and do you have working recursors in /etc/resolv.conf?
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• 2148[10:41:03] <Aebian> jelly: I did just the standard dnslookup domain.tld and ping with just ping.domain.tld
• 2149[10:41:28] <Aebian> a ping works a dns lookup doesn't
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• 2152[10:41:56] <Aebian> which is the reason I can\t connect to freenode using irssi or running apt-get stuff
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• 2154[10:43:14] <Aebian> my /etc/resolv.conf has as nameserver 79.133.59.1
• 2155[10:43:23] <Aebian> which should be correct
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• 2158[10:43:40] <Aebian> generated by dhcpd from eth0.dhcp
• 2159[10:43:46] <jelly> Aebian: I don't know what "standard dnslookup" is, are you using "getent hosts ..." or dig or which command exactly?
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• 2161[10:44:05] <HrishiP> Hello
• 2162[10:44:14] <Aebian> jelly: I just used the command dig
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• 2164[10:44:31] <HrishiP> Can anyone help me with something?
• 2165[10:44:56] * celyr starts to upgrade all non critical production servers to stretch
• 2166[10:44:56] <yossarianuk> wow - busy weekend for the Debian crew..
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• 2168[10:45:05] <jelly> Aebian: good, first verify your configured recursor gives results: "dig aebian.knight-industries.org. A @79.133.59.1"
• 2169[10:45:19] <jelly> !ask
• 2170[10:45:19] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
• 2171[10:45:22] <jelly> HrishiP: ^^
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• 2173[10:45:28] <yossarianuk> is there a guide/how-to for upgrading debian 8 -> debian 9 ?
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• 2175[10:45:38] <yossarianuk> (an official(ish) one)
• 2176[10:45:38] <jelly> yossarianuk: /msg dpkg jessie->stretch
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• 2180[10:46:08] <yossarianuk> jelly‎: that didn't create a message btw
• 2181[10:46:10] <HrishiP> Okay, I will post my doubt here. Thanks jelly
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• 2186[10:47:10] <Aebian> ; <<>> DiG 9.10.3-P4-Debian <<>> aebian.knight-industries.org A @79.133.59.1 ;; global options: +cmd ;; connection timed out; no servers could be reached
• 2187[10:47:35] <jelly> Aebian: so, your recursor doesn't recurse :-)
• 2188[10:47:41] <HrishiP> So, I have made a custom RPI image (debian stretch) with a sucrose windows manager and lightdm desktop manager. Now, after loggin in from the greeter, sugar will ask me name, age, color and gender, and then nothing but just the sugar cursor. Any help?
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• 2190[10:47:54] <celyr> If I have deb replaced-url
• 2191[10:48:03] <celyr> or just the first row it's ok ?
• 2192[10:48:04] <Tribaal> Hi all! I'm playing around with the gitlab package (apt install gitlab). Everything installed correctly, but now... where is the interface running?
• 2193[10:48:26] <jelly> HrishiP: is that actual debian or raspbian? How did you make this image?
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• 2196[10:48:31] <Aebian> Tribaal: check /etc/gitlab.rb and #gitlab
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• 2198[10:48:45] <HrishiP> jelly : replaced-url
• 2199[10:48:52] <jelly> celyr: /msg dpkg stretch sources.list
• 2200[10:48:55] <Aebian> jelly: hmm weird okay
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• 2203[10:49:26] <celyr> ty
• 2204[10:49:26] <jelly> HrishiP: ask the drtyhlpr people, what you described is not part of normal debian installer
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• 2206[10:49:37] <Aebian> any solution for that? I never played around in that area it just "worked"
• 2207[10:49:41] <meldron> hey guys, which window manager can you recommand for a chrome kiosk box?
• 2208[10:49:44] <celyr> ok nice it's the same there
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• 2210[10:50:03] <HrishiP> jelly : Okay. Thanks
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• 2213[10:51:43] <Tribaal> ah, the answer was "nginx has the default site still running" and therefore gitlab (running on the same port) didn't show up. Easy!
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• 2215[10:52:19] <Aebian> jelly: guess I should set another ns probably google one?
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• 2229[10:58:23] <celyr> things went well, moving on :)
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• 2236[11:00:00] <jelly> Aebian: or fix this one
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• 2243[11:00:38] <Aebian> well it worked before, I'm not sure why id doesn't anymore ...
• 2244[11:00:41] <Aebian> weird
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• 2248[11:01:33] <jelly> Aebian: if it's a cheap router of some sort, you may want to restart it
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• 2251[11:02:26] <Aebian> its not. Its in our datacenter. I get in touch with my friend who has direct access to it. He should fix it :D
• 2252[11:02:52] <Aebian> meanwhile I just use google's
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• 2256[11:03:34] <celyr> and so they discovered that their datacenter's dns was a tecnicolor router
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• 2288[11:15:29] <Aebian> even with google's dns its not working. I'm confused now....wsh
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• 2291[11:16:26] <Aebian> my resolv.conf holds this: nameserver 8.8.4.4 nameserver 8.8.8.8 and nameserver 79.133.59.1
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• 2313[11:24:36] <iBattaglin> 208.67.222.222 ftw
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• 2315[11:25:48] <Plushfish> iBattaglin: ?
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• 2322[11:27:55] <JuniusBrutus> Plushfish, it's replaced-url
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• 2344[11:35:52] <Aebian> jelly: thx for the help. I just implemented the google DNS and that works like a charm. I guess thats the workaround until my friend fixes the stuff on our cisco thing (I'm not a networker so no clue what cisco devices is exactly used ^^)
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• 2365[11:48:26] <holycow> hi all
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• 2368[11:49:08] <holycow> i am running debian 9 xfce live cd. is there an installer that can be run from the live desktop as opposed to boot time?
• 2369[11:49:21] <holycow> i don't see anything in the menu any longer
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• 2371[11:50:44] <Ericounet_> dunno ...
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• 2377[11:55:43] <celyr> Aebian, can we see a dig ?
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• 2397[12:02:27] <tytan> Hello everyone, is there really no OpenZFS in the stretch repositorys?
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• 2399[12:02:54] <bazhang> ,v openzfs
• 2400[12:02:55] <judd> No package named 'openzfs' was found in amd64.
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• 2407[12:04:30] <yossarianuk> tytan‎: replaced-url
• 2408[12:05:04] <yossarianuk> tytan‎: replaced-url
• 2409[12:05:12] <yossarianuk> you need contrib enabled
• 2410[12:05:29] <tytan> yossarianuk: thanks ^^
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• 2445[12:14:59] <Plushfish> Hmm, porting BSD stuff into Linux isn't a great idea. You should better use the original instead (FreeBSD)
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• 2461[12:20:21] <yossarianuk> ‎Plushfish‎: I disagree with that
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• 2463[12:20:42] <yossarianuk> especially if you want a desktop, or KVM host , etc
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• 2469[12:22:57] <Plushfish> yossarianuk: KVM looks dead to me, no improvements over the years
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• 2471[12:23:15] <Plushfish> yossarianuk: And is 2017 becoming the year of the linux desktop? *scnr*
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• 2474[12:24:15] <Richard_Cavell_> Hello everyone. I have 8.6.0, just installed. I have inserted a blank DVD-R and I've downloaded a .iso file. How do I burn my .iso file to the DVD-R? (As in, burn the image) ?
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• 2549[12:44:01] <Mmike> Hello! When patching the debian source packages one would: dch -i && <change the source tree, apply upstream patches or fixes or whatnot> && dpkg-source --commit && debuild -S
• 2550[12:44:02] <Mmike> for instance
• 2551[12:44:25] <Mmike> now, is there a way to see the changes to the source tree BEFORE running the `dpkg-source --commit` ?
• 2552[12:44:34] <Mmike> so that I can see what will generated patch file contain?
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• 2560[12:47:38] <BlueSpruce> I have a laptop with a single 500GB HDD, which I partitioned to sda1 ext2 500MB boot, sda2_crypt (30GB, ext4, /), sda3_crypt(4GB, swap), sda4_crypt(ext4, /home). How do I configure encrypted volumes, so that on startup I enter only the passphrase for /root?
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• 2576[12:54:00] <upgr> did debian 8 apt repos just stoped working?
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• 2579[12:54:08] <upgr> as for debian 9, I can not connect either
• 2580[12:54:15] <TomTomTo1> nope
• 2581[12:54:33] <upgr> what is the correct url in sources.list for debian 8 that works?
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• 2583[12:55:05] <TomTomTo1> deb replaced-url
• 2584[12:55:53] <upgr> TomTomTo1: Error connecting: could not connect: connection refused
• 2585[12:56:04] <upgr> btw too bad the apt-get does not print in the error message the url it was trying
• 2586[12:56:18] <upgr> yes internet is working there (e.g. wget replaced-url
• 2587[12:56:24] <towo^work> check your network
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• 2590[12:58:32] <spacework> BlueSpruce: have you partitioned them yourself instead of using the installer? B ecause using the installer you can choose ecnrypted LVM which does what you want. You then only enter password for / at boot
• 2591[12:58:48] <upgr> still can't connect. Where to contact server admin\
• 2592[12:59:32] <towo^work> the server is fine
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• 2594[12:59:43] <upgr> with empty sources.list it also displays that it can't connect
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• 2597[13:00:44] <upgr> ok so it correctly grabs the listed sources, and then it also prints it can't connect - to something
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• 2599[13:01:32] <TomTomTo1> check if you have something in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/
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• 2602[13:04:06] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
• 2603[13:04:38] <Aebian> celyr: sure, replaced-url
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• 2612[13:06:43] <upgr> where is some example sourcest list for Stretch?
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• 2615[13:07:07] <Aebian> upgr: replaced-url
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• 2618[13:07:15] <BlueSpruce> spacework, I partitioned them manually.
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• 2625[13:08:41] <upgr> is there still a security repo for stretch?
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• 2627[13:09:08] <upgr> deb replaced-url
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• 2629[13:10:12] <upgr> for does replaced-url
• 2630[13:10:15] <upgr> *nor
• 2631[13:10:34] <Aebian> upgr: are you sure? works for me replaced-url
• 2632[13:10:53] <tremolo> upgr: "deb replaced-url
• 2633[13:11:24] <abrotman> dpkg: stretch sources.lsit
• 2634[13:11:24] <dpkg> wish i knew, abrotman
• 2635[13:11:26] <abrotman> dpkg: stretch sources.list
• 2636[13:11:34] * abrotman shakes his fist at the bot
• 2637[13:11:36] <abrotman> dpkg: stretch sources.list
• 2638[13:11:36] <dpkg> A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for "Stretch" has three lines: "deb replaced-url
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• 2645[13:12:31] <upgr> abrotman: neat. I wish that would be somewhere to be found on debian.org website
• 2646[13:12:43] <upgr> it's like number 1 thing people are looking for today
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• 2650[13:13:17] <abrotman> upgr: I'm 92% certain it's in the installation guide, but I haven't browsed the new one yet
• 2651[13:14:02] <upgr> abrotman: maybe it is somewhere deep to be found. How ever some people just want to quickly upgrade, not to read long of the rings + silimarillion sized tomes :)
• 2652[13:14:13] <upgr> s/long/lord
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• 2655[13:14:44] <qyzx> anyone know why lsblk and /proc/partitions would show a 1K partition while fdisk lists it as multiple GB? (even after reboot)
• 2656[13:15:14] <coke> replaced-url
• 2657[13:15:16] <monoxane> im running on this guide rn for all those looking to upgrade its consise and accurate as far as i can tell, replaced-url
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• 2663[13:16:16] <upgr> qyzx: is that not the extended partition that holds the actuall extended partitions?
• 2664[13:16:32] <TomTomTo1> the release notes are concise and accurate.
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• 2668[13:17:52] <qyzx> upgr: I think you might be right, do you have any idea what I did wrong?
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• 2670[13:17:55] <upgr> monoxane: "Simply update keyword jessie to stretch" this should be appended with (but if you use ftp:// protocol, you need to use replaced-url
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• 2673[13:18:29] <monoxane> well then ill fuck off with my third party documentation
• 2674[13:18:31] <upgr> qyzx: heaving 1kb sized extended-mainpartition (that one that holds actaull extended partitions) is not anything wrong, that is how it should work
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• 2676[13:18:51] <upgr> qyzx: do not touch this "1 kb" partition just ignore it. you have just one right?
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• 2680[13:19:57] <upgr> qyzx: open it in "cfdisk", e.g. partition sda2 will have type "Extended" in last column, and "inside it" there will be say sda5, sda6 that are marked as being inside it with a tree ascii art. In such situation it's normal that sda2 shows as 1kb, it's virtual, ignore it
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• 2683[13:20:47] <upgr> monoxane: nah it's actually good that you provide a copy-paste example of correct sources.list, unlike the release notes. just saying that you might want to add that detail
• 2684[13:21:29] <monoxane> its not even mine though, i just found it and im finding it very useful
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• 2690[13:23:06] <viscera> Does anyone know why Debian doesn't drop (or move into a separate archive component) packages in Stable that don't get security updates? It seems strange to me given how much Debian handholds the user in other respects. I asked this in ##linux but got zero response.
• 2691[13:23:09] <qyzx> upgr: hmm cfdisk doesn't seem to list the extended partition or any of its contents, I'm almost certain I must have done something wrong when partitioning the drive
• 2692[13:23:15] <upgr> abrotman: the debian.org website and upgrade guide should include copy pastable example of correct minimal sources.list
• 2693[13:23:24] <viscera> e.g. they could be moved into "unpatched" (main contrib non-free)
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• 2697[13:24:42] <pvoigt> I have installed a small amount of packages from jessie-backport. What is the best way to treat them when upgrading from jessie to stretch. Is it neccessary to uninstall them before the upgrade?
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• 2703[13:25:40] <TomTomTo1> there should be no problem upgrading to stretch if you have packages from jessie-backports.
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• 2706[13:26:44] <pvoigt> I have never done it before: Is it neccessary to remove the apt sources entry for jessie-backports before the upgrade?
• 2707[13:28:02] <colo-work> pvoigt, I don't know if it strictly necessary, but I'm pretty certain it's what you want :)
• 2708[13:28:15] <colo-work> all the releases in jessie backports is from stretch anyway
• 2709[13:28:29] <colo-work> (only probably a tad older at this time)
• 2710[13:28:35] <TomTomTo1> no, it's built against jessie's libs.
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• 2712[13:28:59] <colo-work> I was only considering leaf package versions
• 2713[13:29:00] <TomTomTo1> remove the sources before you upgrade to stretch.
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• 2716[13:29:42] <pvoigt> colo-work, TomTomTo1: Thanks, will do so.
• 2717[13:29:45] <TomTomTo1> even for packages that are at the same version in jessie-backports and stretch there should be an upgrade path.
• 2718[13:29:45] <jelly> pvoigt: yes
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• 2722[13:30:34] <jelly> pvoigt: at least, it was for wheezy->jessie and wheezy-backports. I haven't read release notes for stretch. It's documented in there.
• 2723[13:30:46] <jelly> dpkg, jessie->stretch
• 2724[13:30:47] <dpkg> Read (at least) the upgrading chapter of the <release notes> replaced-url
• 2725[13:30:52] <jelly> ^^
• 2726[13:31:00] <pvoigt> jelly: Will read release notes once again, thanks.
• 2727[13:31:14] <jelly> > remove stable-specific lines like jessie-backports
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• 2731[13:32:56] <pvoigt> Besides that I am using a small amount of third party repos. I have checked them all and they can all be changed to stretch right before starting the upgrade.
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• 2733[13:33:39] <jelly> pvoigt: it may be better to remove them before and add them afterwards
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• 2735[13:34:07] <jelly> really depends on how well their packages are made
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• 2738[13:35:01] <jelly> eg. hpe proliant stuff doesn't have repo for stretch yet. Their jessie packages still work on stretch (at least, on stretch w/ sysvinit)
• 2739[13:35:20] <colo-work> "The upgrade process for some previous releases recommended the use of aptitude for the upgrade. This tool is not recommended for upgrades from jessie to stretch." - interesting. is there a short version of why this is? :)
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• 2747[13:37:45] <jelly> colo-work: aptitude is too smart for release upgrades.
• 2748[13:37:51] <babilen> colo-work: It's basically because aptitude was "over thinking" certain upgrade paths to jessie
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• 2750[13:38:20] <jelly> this was also the case for wheezy->jessie, (and maybe squeeze->wheezy, I don't remember)
• 2751[13:38:34] <babilen> That is we saw some problems with it and apt-get did not show the same behaviour and worked reliably
• 2752[13:38:40] <ham5> cryptmount password not working, missmatch keys... could the default cipher have changed at some point? my only slim idea is the .key got corrupted, it's been a good 6mo to a year since last mount... ideas?
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• 2754[13:39:11] <babilen> jelly: I remember some problems with aptitude for jessie, can't think of a similar thing for wheezy
• 2755[13:39:30] <colo-work> I see. thanks.
• 2756[13:39:40] <jelly> jessie release notes also said to use apt-get
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• 2763[13:41:20] <jelly> I've done a somewhat late lenny->squeeze and squeeze->wheezy on a machine, the process basically hasn't changed a lot; the only worthwhile difference is you're not asked to do an apt-get upgrade before apt-get dist-upgrade
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• 2775[13:47:19] <jimjamjim> I got a question about hwclock!
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• 2777[13:47:31] <jimjamjim> should hwclock be in UTC or localtime??
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• 2779[13:47:51] <ham5> preferance?
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• 2782[13:48:47] <ham5> It is your choice whether to keep your clock in UTC or local time, but nothing in the clock tells which you’ve chosen. So this option is how you give that information to hwclock.
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• 2797[13:53:04] <jelly> jimjamjim: if you only have one OS installed, UTC is a better choice
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• 2800[13:53:31] <jelly> no need to mess with hwclock for daylight saving
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• 2814[14:01:49] <Glanzmann> Is sysv init still available in Debian 9?
• 2815[14:01:55] <Glanzmann> Or do I have to switch to systemd?
• 2816[14:02:20] <Glanzmann> I upgraded all my systems, and they still use sysv init but it seems that there is no longer a package in the repository?
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• 2818[14:03:07] <ansgar> Glanzmann: sysvinit-core is still is the repository and there are people using it.
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• 2821[14:04:38] <Glanzmann> ansgar: Perfect. I see. I missed that. I wonder why it installs systemd when I try to remove the onsolete package sysvinit?
• 2822[14:05:07] <jimjamjim> has anyone tried to upgrade from jessie 8.8(with out systemd) to 9.0??
• 2823[14:05:12] <jimjamjim> how did it go?
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• 2825[14:05:30] <Glanzmann> jimjamjim: I upgraded yesterday 3 systems. All went fine, however still cleanining up.
• 2826[14:05:34] <Glanzmann> Nagios3 is gone, php5 is gone.
• 2827[14:06:09] <Glanzmann> My laptop crashed once today (complete freeze; magic sysrq was no longer working) Lenovo X1 gen3
• 2828[14:06:52] <Glanzmann> Everything else works. I had to compile tmux because they now use the utempter which creates hundreds of useless wtmp entries and there is no config option for it. But that's it so far.
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• 2834[14:07:28] <Glanzmann> Oh and some idiot enabled the mouse mode in the default vim config which is super annoying and broken.
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• 2841[14:10:07] <jelly> Glanzmann: php7.0 is the new thing!
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• 2846[14:11:38] <Glanzmann> jelly: Don't get me started. I host a website for my father which is using mysql. php7 apparently removed the api. Because this thing is a security nightmare, I run it using uwsgi in a seperate namespace with no ip connectivity.
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• 2848[14:12:00] <ansgar> Glanzmann: Not sure. That sounds like a bug: either systemd-sysv or sysvinit-core should be fine.
• 2849[14:12:02] <Glanzmann> But the uwsgi of strecht is compiled with php7.
• 2850[14:12:13] <jelly> Glanzmann: you started already.
• 2851[14:12:16] <Glanzmann> ansgar: Might be, I leave it installed for now.
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• 2856[14:12:59] <jimjamjim> how do I keep dhclient from modifying my resolv.conf file??
• 2857[14:13:05] <Glanzmann> jelly: I know. However I'm now deciding between a) ditching the website, b) compile php5 myself, c) recompile uwsgi, d) downgrade my chroot to Debian 8 or whatever.
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• 2861[14:13:21] <jimjamjim> domain replaced-url
• 2862[14:13:24] <jimjamjim> search replaced-url
• 2863[14:13:29] <Glanzmann> But all in all Debian 9 looks stable and.
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• 2865[14:13:37] <jimjamjim> its adding this two lines!
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• 2867[14:13:53] <Glanzmann> jimjamjim: replaced-url
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• 2870[14:14:13] <jelly> jimjamjim: but no nameserver lines?
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• 2872[14:14:33] <Glanzmann> jimjamjim: apt-get purge --kill-kill-kill --burn-it-with-fire resolvconf
• 2873[14:14:42] <jimjamjim> jelly: its not modifying the nameserver
• 2874[14:14:44] <jimjamjim> supersede domain-name-servers 127.0.0.1;
• 2875[14:15:01] <jimjamjim> after i added this in dhclient.conf
• 2876[14:15:28] <Glanzmann> jimjamjim: replaced-url
• 2877[14:15:42] <jelly> jimjamjim: so, supersede domain-search and domain-name as well.
• 2878[14:16:01] <Glanzmann> jimjamjim: Or fight the symptoms: chattr +i /etc/resolv.conf
• 2879[14:17:31] <BluesKaj> Glanzmann, which debian?
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• 2887[14:19:04] <Glanzmann> BluesKaj: Which Debian for what?
• 2888[14:19:11] <BluesKaj> Glanzmann, systemd changes all the resov.conf settings to their versions of that file if you're on stretch
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• 2890[14:19:41] <Glanzmann> BluesKaj: I don't have systemd. I was just answering a question of jimjamjim
• 2891[14:19:50] <BluesKaj> ok
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• 2893[14:20:25] <BluesKaj> my apologies for the the interupt :-)
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• 2895[14:20:46] <BluesKaj> Glanzmann, ^
• 2896[14:20:54] <Glanzmann> BluesKaj: Don't worry, I quit IRC if I don't want to get interrupted. :-)
• 2897[14:21:07] <BluesKaj> hehe
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• 2906[14:23:37] <jimjamjim> jelly: I tried it.. it didn't work!
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• 2909[14:24:45] <jimjamjim> I guess i have to use chattr +i /etc/resolv.conf
• 2910[14:25:40] <lovelybac0n> I have used that hack for years. Never recommended but it works.
• 2911[14:25:52] <jimjamjim> lovelybac0n: why?
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• 2915[14:26:57] <lovelybac0n> It's a workaround and some don't like that. Then again I didn't find good solutions. But this was years ago.
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• 2919[14:29:01] <lovelybac0n> Anyhow. Always backup configs you make changes to. I usually make a copy and append "-BACKUP" (so resolv-BACKUP.conf) that way all edited configs are easily findable.
• 2920[14:29:23] <jelly> !etckeeper
• 2921[14:29:24] <dpkg> etckeeper is a collection of tools to let /etc be stored in a git, mercurial, bazaar or darcs repository. This lets you use git to review or revert changes that were made to /etc. Or even push the repository elsewhere for backups or cherry-picking configuration changes. replaced-url
• 2922[14:30:12] <lovelybac0n> I prefer cp ;)
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• 2927[14:33:04] <celyr> Aebian, and
• 2928[14:33:09] <celyr> what is not working as supposed ?
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• 2932[14:34:33] <jelly> lovelybac0n: and then you have directories littered with old backups
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• 2937[14:35:18] <babilen> In particular if you name them _old and _previous and _reallyold
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• 2939[14:36:06] <ForceRecon> running debian 9 live dvd with firmware and non free.. system boots.. goes through its loadup. I can see text on 2 of my 3 displays. everything looked green with exception of blue tooth endingin error 2 but then screens just go black and looks like a non blinking cursor top left.. then nothing.. dvd stops spinning and nothing seems to work no input from keyboard or mouse either as I have to hard reset
• 2940[14:36:15] <ForceRecon> suggestions?
• 2941[14:36:53] <ham5> sounds like video driver problems,, you can switch back to a tty?
• 2942[14:36:59] <jelly> live images are a hit and miss
• 2943[14:37:00] <lovelybac0n> jelly, They take no space at all and I just keep one backup for the changes I make. I see no need to bring git into it.
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• 2945[14:37:10] <jelly> ForceRecon: how much RAM do you have?
• 2946[14:37:12] <jimjamjim> Glanzmann: jelly lovelybac0n it worked with - supersede domain-name "";
• 2947[14:37:16] <ForceRecon> 16GB
• 2948[14:37:39] <wallbroken> is possible to install networkmanager during netinstall?
• 2949[14:37:44] <jelly> ForceRecon: you can try adding boot parameter toram so the whole image will be cached first
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• 2951[14:38:28] <lovelybac0n> wallbroken, not that I know of. Installing on wireless?
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• 2953[14:38:29] <jelly> ForceRecon: this won't solve the actual issue, but maybe you'll be able to, say, get an IP address start a ssh server and be able to log in remotely from a second machine and debug a bit more
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• 2955[14:38:56] <wallbroken> lovelybac0n, if it is a question: i don't know
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• 2958[14:39:10] <jelly> jimjamjim: so supersede domain-name actually worked, good to know
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• 2960[14:39:30] <ForceRecon> jelly: since it is a dvd that loads on boot.. how do you add a boot parameter>
• 2961[14:39:49] <lovelybac0n> wallbroken, I did a writeup after a netinstall. Manually setting up wireless replaced-url
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• 2966[14:40:59] <jelly> ForceRecon: you get a boot prompt for a few seconds at some point
• 2967[14:41:09] <jelly> or a boot menu, don't know
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• 2969[14:41:23] <jimjamjim> jelly: but you have to put it before the 'request subnet-mask...' line
• 2970[14:41:47] <jimjamjim> i placed at the end of the file.. it didn't work!
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• 2972[14:42:23] <ForceRecon> PC configuration just in case you want to take a look.. - replaced-url
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• 2974[14:42:51] <jelly> !live
• 2975[14:42:51] <dpkg> The Debian Live project provides pre-built Debian live system images and allows creation of your own. These can be used to install a Debian system. Live images are available from replaced-url
• 2976[14:43:07] <jelly> hmm, that web page probably does not work any more
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• 2978[14:44:30] <JyZyXEL> apt-get update started giving me "W: There is no public key available for the following key IDs: EF0F382A1A7B6500" since couple days ago
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• 2988[14:48:00] <jelly> JyZyXEL: update, and upgrade your debian-archive-keyring package, then update again
• 2989[14:48:24] <JyZyXEL> Calculating upgrade... debian-archive-keyring is already the newest version.
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• 2991[14:48:34] <celyr> replaced-url
• 2992[14:48:40] <lovelybac0n> JyZyXEL, replaced-url
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• 2995[14:49:02] <jelly> ,v debian-archive-keyring
• 2996[14:49:03] <judd> Package: debian-archive-keyring on amd64 -- wheezy: 2014.3~deb7u1; jessie: 2014.3; jessie-updates: 2017.5~deb8u1; jessie-proposed-updates: 2017.5~deb8u1; stretch: 2017.5; sid: 2017.5; buster: 2017.5
• 2997[14:49:08] <JyZyXEL> no way im upgrading this early on
• 2998[14:49:24] <jelly> JyZyXEL: you don't have jessie-updates repo enabled?
• 2999[14:49:34] <celyr> funny thing in my other installation it does install
• 3000[14:49:44] <celyr> it seems that there is some dep that it's not correctly included
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• 3002[14:49:56] <JyZyXEL> jelly: yes i have that enabled
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• 3004[14:50:37] <JyZyXEL> alright, i guess the mysterious EF0F382A1A7B6500 key will be added in the future :D
• 3005[14:50:38] <jelly> JyZyXEL: pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy" and "apt-cache policy debian-archive-keyring"
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• 3008[14:51:31] <TomTomTo1> E0B11894F66AEC98 has been added already.
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• 3011[14:51:35] <celyr> installing firebird3.0-expamples and doc seems to have fixed this
• 3012[14:51:54] <TomTomTo1> eh, whoops.
• 3013[14:51:55] <jelly> TomTomTo1: good for you!
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• 3016[14:52:15] <TomTomTo1> the previously mentioned one too.
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• 3018[14:52:21] <lovelybac0n> :)
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• 3020[14:52:43] <JyZyXEL> jelly: replaced-url
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• 3022[14:53:16] <yangby> hey, folks, since i upgrade to stretch from jessie (8.8) today, there is no output about `pts` by `who` (tty is ok), and no error. new feature? i didn't find docs about this.
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• 3024[14:53:25] <JyZyXEL> jelly: originally the situation was even worse, because i had copypasted "Pin: release o=Debian,a=stable" from debians wiki page
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• 3026[14:53:40] <rafalcpp> how to minimize physical disk writes, e.g. when installing debian onto usb stick?
• 3027[14:53:44] <JyZyXEL> so apt-get was wanting to upgrade to stretch :p
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• 3029[14:53:49] <rafalcpp> eg aggressive bufferig
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• 3034[14:55:19] <JyZyXEL> not quite sure what the correct pinning rules would be
• 3035[14:55:48] <pippo1> Debian 9 : Error installation Grub
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• 3039[14:57:23] <jelly> rafalcpp: install elsewhere then dd/cp it to usb?
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• 3046[14:58:18] <lovelybac0n> JyZyXEL, apt pinning? sorry, very new to debian.
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• 3049[14:59:26] <grytn> Hi, does anyone know how i can check wich Linux kernel i`m currently using?
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• 3055[14:59:57] <sn0wmonster> grytn, uname -a?
• 3056[15:00:02] <JyZyXEL> lovelybac0n: some seemingly unnecessary rules for apt-get that i had forgotten about
• 3057[15:00:25] <grytn> ah, thanks!
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• 3059[15:01:15] <lovelybac0n> JyZyXEL, like what?
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• 3062[15:01:23] <grytn> And for my next question, is it possible to install AMD radeon HD mobile drivers on Linux kernel 4.8.0-52-generic? i have tried alot of drivers, but cant seem to get full support
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• 3065[15:03:11] <ForceRecon> we don;t have an edit option on the boot menu.. is there a secret key you push to edit the live option and add toram?
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• 3072[15:04:43] <towo^work> ForceRecon, sure you have that option
• 3073[15:04:52] <towo^work> hit e in the boot menu
• 3074[15:05:01] <ForceRecon> e doesnt work
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• 3090[15:07:41] <yangby> hello, does anyone know the change about `pts`? `who` can not show any information about `pts`.
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• 3095[15:08:49] <jelly> yangby: what do you mean by pts?
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• 3099[15:09:20] <jelly> !ask
• 3100[15:09:21] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
• 3101[15:09:27] <jelly> !paste
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• 3103[15:09:27] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: replaced-url
• 3104[15:09:53] <celyr> It fixed nothing
• 3105[15:09:58] <celyr> how i hate firebird
• 3106[15:10:03] <celyr> hate it so much
• 3107[15:10:29] <lovelybac0n> dpkg is the biggest spammer in this channel, just saying.
• 3108[15:10:29] <dpkg> lovelybac0n: I don't know, could you explain it?
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• 3110[15:11:04] <yangby> jelly: full name is `pseudo-terminal slave`, i think
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• 3117[15:12:28] <BluesKaj> infobot
• 3118[15:12:31] <yangby> i use `who` to detect users who log in server before stretch (it works in jessie, 8.8).
• 3119[15:12:48] <jelly> yangby: alright, can show show an example for your issue, like dpkg said above?
• 3120[15:12:54] <jelly> you* show
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• 3127[15:16:42] <Allanitomwesh> hello am getting the error "Failed to load from CD-ROM" when i try to install Debain 9 Gnome 32bit
• 3128[15:17:23] <Allanitomwesh> anyone know how to fix?
• 3129[15:17:35] <BluesKaj> 32bit?
• 3130[15:17:52] <Allanitomwesh> i386
• 3131[15:17:53] <grytn> Corrupted img?
• 3132[15:17:54] <jelly> Allanitomwesh: is this cd media or dvd media or usb?
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• 3135[15:18:08] <Allanitomwesh> dvd media on a USB
• 3136[15:18:24] <jelly> Allanitomwesh: how did you write it to usb? rufus and unetbootin are problematic
• 3137[15:18:42] <BCMM> Allanitomwesh: are you using a hybrid image?
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• 3139[15:18:51] <grytn> Try with LiLi?
• 3140[15:18:53] <Allanitomwesh> i used the used writer in Linux Mint
• 3141[15:18:55] <BluesKaj> i386 ..in that case maybe your hardware isn't up to std for stretch
• 3142[15:19:00] *** debhelper sets mode: +l 1752
• 3143[15:19:03] <Allanitomwesh> usb*
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• 3145[15:19:16] <jelly> BCMM: they're all hybrid images Bront
• 3146[15:19:26] <BCMM> jelly: ah, ok
• 3147[15:19:29] <Allanitomwesh> BCMM: i think so yes
• 3148[15:19:34] <BluesKaj> dvd media won't boot onb a usb, Allanitomwesh
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• 3150[15:19:46] <Allanitomwesh> it boots
• 3151[15:19:47] <jelly> Allanitomwesh: don't use any helpers. use "cp blah.iso /dev/sdk", where sdk is your usb stick
• 3152[15:19:53] <Allanitomwesh> the installer starts even
• 3153[15:19:56] <jelly> doesn't matter if it boots
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• 3156[15:20:52] <BCMM> Allanitomwesh: was it this program? replaced-url
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• 3158[15:21:07] <Allanitomwesh> yes
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• 3161[15:21:18] <BCMM> hmm, that should work, since it's just a dd frontend
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• 3163[15:22:06] <ForceRecon> hmm.. I can't seem to find a solution for loading toram... when you are in the live cd and hit esc.. you end up at a prompt that says BOOT:
• 3164[15:22:07] <jelly> perhaps.
• 3165[15:22:10] <BCMM> (debian dvd images are designed to be written to USB as-is; some software that aims to automatically convert live DVD images for USB breaks them)
• 3166[15:22:12] <ForceRecon> is there something you can write there?
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• 3169[15:22:42] <BluesKaj> itthe image won't install , not bootable after installation ..think the pertinent files a re missing hence it won't install
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• 3171[15:23:14] <Glanzmann> Mailman refuses to update. Any idea how I can resolve the issue? replaced-url
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• 3185[15:25:19] <yangby> jelly: replaced-url
• 3186[15:25:24] <lovelybac0n> Best way to write an iso file to an usb stick is using dd. (dd bs=4M if=isofile of=/dev/usbstick (like /dev/sdb) status=progress && sync)
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• 3190[15:26:21] <Glanzmann> lovelybac0n: Wow, I did not know about status=progress, nice.
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• 3194[15:26:39] <lovelybac0n> no worries :9
• 3195[15:26:56] <jelly> yangby: weird, works for me. Maybe the terminal you're using does not create utmp/wtmp entries
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• 3199[15:27:30] <Glanzmann> yangby: For me it works, too. A little bit too good because Debian 9 tmux uses utemper
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• 3209[15:30:07] <yangby> jelly Glanzmann thanks!
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• 3215[15:31:09] <jelly> yangby: can you (install and) start an xterm, see if it appears in w
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• 3221[15:33:06] <Aebian> celyr: It didn't work before with our dc recursor. Jelly pointed me in the right direction in the issue is fixed now.
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• 3223[15:33:34] <celyr> Anyway there is something wrong with firebird3.0 dep
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• 3225[15:33:41] <celyr> should I write to their ml or what
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• 3231[15:35:42] <yangby> jelly: yes, it is ok in xterm, but error in both gnome-terminal and terminator.
• 3232[15:36:00] <yangby> in jessie, X only use tty7, in stretch, X use both tty1 and tty7, is it normal?
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• 3234[15:36:13] <jelly> so maybe gnome-terminal needs to be told to "log in"
• 3235[15:36:21] <lovelybac0n> celyr, maybe try they're irc first. Might be trivial.
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• 3240[15:40:31] <shamoanjac> hey, what's the preferred way to blacklist modules in Debian?
• 3241[15:40:50] <jelly> !blacklist
• 3242[15:40:51] <dpkg> To blacklist a Linux kernel module, create/edit /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local.conf and add a line similar to this (without quotes): "blacklist module_name". If this doesn't work, do 'echo "install modulename /bin/true" >> /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local.conf'. IMPORTANT: ask about <blacklist-initramfs>. To blacklist a module at installation time, ask me about <installer blacklist>. replaced-url
• 3243[15:40:56] <shamoanjac> thanks!
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• 3255[15:43:37] <lucas-arg> hello all, im having problems installing debian 9, used dd to flash iso and in installation it says it cant read from cdrom
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• 3257[15:44:00] <lucas-arg> ive added cdrom-detect/try-usb=true on the kernel boot option
• 3258[15:44:04] <lucas-arg> didnt work either
• 3259[15:44:13] <lucas-arg> flashed two times the iso
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• 3263[15:44:29] <Somelauw> How does Debian decide its pdf reader? On the internet, I read about xdg-mime query default application/x-pdf and /usr/share/applications/defaults.list but they both don't include the pdf reader that is opened by default?
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• 3266[15:45:43] <Somelauw> there is also .config/mimeapps.list, which seems to contain them
• 3267[15:46:10] <lovelybac0n> Somelauw, That's more an DE question.
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• 3269[15:46:19] <Somelauw> I am starting to like Windows for its very simple file association to program configuration.
• 3270[15:46:39] <Somelauw> lovelybac0n: i don't use a DE, just xdg-open
• 3271[15:46:42] <Fallenour> OOOOOOOOOOH!!!!!! AND HE SCOREEES!!! *slams ball on ground* *kicks computer* *Dances on legos* I FEAR NO DEBIAN!
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• 3278[15:47:02] <lovelybac0n> lol
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• 3280[15:47:13] <Fallenour> Totally worth it Jelly
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• 3283[15:47:37] <Fallenour> I made it all work by blending ubuntu with debian distros
• 3284[15:47:46] <Fallenour> its totally insane, but it works
• 3285[15:47:48] <lucas-arg> ok apparently its a bug thats not fixed
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• 3287[15:47:55] <lucas-arg> so wont be able to install debian???
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• 3299[15:50:44] <Digz> lucas-arg, if it is a debian 9 bug, you can install debian 8.8 and then do a dist-upgrade afterwards
• 3300[15:50:44] <lovelybac0n> lucas-arg, are you set to boot from usb in your bios?
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• 3303[15:51:05] <lucas-arg> lovelybac0n, yes i am
• 3304[15:51:10] <lucas-arg> read thats a bug
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• 3306[15:51:20] <lucas-arg> so no debian 9 for me
• 3307[15:51:24] <BluesKaj> lucas-arg, use an image meant for usb , not dvd or cd
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• 3309[15:51:42] <towo^work> there are no special usb images
• 3310[15:51:53] <towo^work> debian images all are isohybrid
• 3311[15:51:57] <lucas-arg> i need a nonfree iso since i have iwlwifi
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• 3313[15:52:18] <lovelybac0n> firmware iso you mean
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• 3316[15:53:07] <lucas-arg> yes
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• 3318[15:53:29] <BCMM> lucas-arg: despite what BluesKaj says, official debian images are designed to work with both USB sticks and DVDs
• 3319[15:53:40] <lucas-arg> i just cant believe after 2 years of development and on my first day of try i cant install the system
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• 3321[15:54:17] <BluesKaj> lucas-arg, replaced-url
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• 3325[15:54:43] <lovelybac0n> lucas-arg, It's 2 days after an release just hang in there.
• 3326[15:54:44] <lucas-arg> BluesKaj, i wont be able to use the wifi with that image
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• 3328[15:55:13] <BluesKaj> BCMM, undestand your point, but somew dvd images aren't meant for usb
• 3329[15:55:19] <flukiluke> I believe you can just put the appropriate firmware files into /lib/firmware
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• 3333[15:55:47] <BluesKaj> lucas-arg, ??
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• 3335[15:56:07] <Digz> lucas-arg, you can install the 8.8 non-free iso, and then do a dist-upgrade afterwards if you must install today, or just wait till someone fixes that bug...
• 3336[15:56:14] <lovelybac0n> flukiluke, that's not that straight forward. Better get the firmware iso.
• 3337[15:56:28] <lucas-arg> thanks all
• 3338[15:56:40] <jelly> !firmware live
• 3339[15:56:41] <dpkg> firmware live stretch
• 3340[15:56:48] <jelly> humm.
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• 3342[15:57:26] <jelly> !firmware live
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• 3344[15:57:26] <dpkg> Unofficial <live> images - containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for Debian 9 "Stretch" as a live OS are available at replaced-url
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• 3346[15:57:30] <jelly> lucas-arg: ^^
• 3347[15:57:44] <Digz> hmmm.... having trouble reaching debian.org, overloaded? ;)
• 3348[15:57:45] <jelly> if you want to try live.
• 3349[15:57:57] <lucas-arg> jelly, i have that iso, but installer has a bug and wont start
• 3350[15:57:58] <Walakea> when will Debian package website update statuses?
• 3351[15:58:05] <BluesKaj> jelly, good call there !
• 3352[15:58:11] <jelly> lucas-arg: if you plan to install, use the installer image.
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• 3354[15:58:22] <ForceRecon> lucas-arg: do you get a blank screen too?
• 3355[15:58:23] <jelly> not live.
• 3356[15:59:03] <Walakea> for example: jessie (stable) (xfce): ...
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• 3360[15:59:42] <jelly> Walakea: could be a couple days, it's a known issue
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• 3365[16:01:18] <lucas-arg> will try
• 3366[16:01:24] <lucas-arg> installer insted
• 3367[16:01:27] <lucas-arg> instead
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• 3369[16:01:42] <lucas-arg> but what should i download the cd image or dvd image??
• 3370[16:01:46] <jelly> !firmware images
• 3371[16:01:46] <dpkg> Unofficial <netinst> and DVD installer images containing non-free Debian firmware packages are available for installing Debian 9 "Stretch". See replaced-url
• 3372[16:01:55] <jelly> lucas-arg: ^^ netinst.
• 3373[16:02:03] <lucas-arg> ok
• 3374[16:02:06] <lucas-arg> thanx
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• 3378[16:03:57] <jasonwc> I'm having an issue assigning a static IP to an interface because something is manually editing /etc/resolv.conf. I made sure that resolvconf was not installed. I manually edited /etc/resolv.conf to add namesevers but after a reboot the file is blank. This is my /etc/network/interfaces setup- replaced-url
• 3379[16:04:43] <yangby> jelly: thanks! i figure it out, since 2015, newer gnome-terminal versions no longer update the utmp records, jessie is too old!!!
• 3380[16:04:54] <jasonwc> This is on a Debian Stretch system. My Debian Jessie server doesn't have this issue.
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• 3382[16:05:03] <BCMM> jasonwc: i know i'm starting with the obvious here, but is networkmanager running?
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• 3385[16:05:29] <jasonwc> BCMM, network-manager is on but the interface is shown as unmanaged
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• 3390[16:06:24] <lovelybac0n> there you go
• 3391[16:06:35] <jasonwc> BCMM, I'll disable network-manager and try again
• 3392[16:06:59] <BCMM> jasonwc: thing is, resolv.conf isn't interface-specific
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• 3394[16:07:11] <BCMM> jasonwc: if disabling nm sorts it, try replaced-url
• 3395[16:07:32] <jasonwc> BCMM, I disabled n-m for all wired interfaces but used it for testing a wireless adapter with EAP-TLS
• 3396[16:07:40] <jasonwc> I can disable it. n-m loves to break things.
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• 3398[16:08:02] <lovelybac0n> BCMM, does disabling the network manager service suffice?
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• 3400[16:08:09] <jasonwc> thanks BCMM
• 3401[16:08:17] <BCMM> jasonwc: that it does :) i quite like wicd for wireless stuff
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• 3403[16:08:50] <BCMM> jasonwc: provides a gui to select a wireless network and enter the PSK for it, doesn't do too much other stuff
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• 3409[16:11:14] <Glanzmann> cd
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• 3411[16:12:25] <BCMM> ... did he just ctrl-d out of here because his "shell" wasn't responding to cd properly?
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• 3422[16:16:55] <jelly> ls -la
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• 3451[16:28:18] <DammitJim> is there any way to put mp3s on an iphone 7 using Linux and be able to play them using the Music app (not google play or whatever)?
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• 3458[16:30:29] <vadimkolchev> Hi all. After using xrandr to turn off my internal monitor and use only external one, I ended up with corrupted default wallpaper (every reboot is the same). replaced-url
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• 3461[16:32:26] <jimjamjim> vadimkolchev: what DE are you using?
• 3462[16:32:48] <vadimkolchev> jimjamjim, using i3 wm, not DE
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• 3464[16:33:04] <uzeiro> How do you add users in MATE Desktop? The manual doesn't say anything about it, and I can't find any button in the System menu to do so.
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• 3466[16:33:58] <vadimkolchev> uzeiro, why not use useradd?
• 3467[16:34:02] <lovelybac0n> uzeiro, replaced-url
• 3468[16:34:13] <jmcnaught> on debian we can use adduser
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• 3473[16:36:28] <JuniusBrutus> vadimkolchev, is it a laptop with an integrated intel GPU?
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• 3475[16:37:11] <uzeiro> vadimkolchev: lovelybac0n jmcnaught: Thanks, I'll try that, it's just that I'd expect the desktop to provide a graphical way to do so.
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• 3480[16:37:42] <BobK> vadimkolchev: if you do xsetroot -solid teal, same problem?
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• 3482[16:38:02] <jmcnaught> uzeiro: GNOME and KDE do
• 3483[16:38:05] <vadimkolchev> JuniusBrutus, yes, it is
• 3484[16:38:11] <vadimkolchev> uzeiro, welcome
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• 3486[16:38:29] <lovelybac0n> Question. How can I disable having to use sudo for programs to show? It's annoying when I want to look at a programs --help but can't without using sudo.
• 3487[16:38:40] <JuniusBrutus> vadimkolchev, not sure that it's going to help, but could you try enabling the i915 driver's DRI3 mode?
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• 3489[16:39:06] <vadimkolchev> BobK, yes, does not change anything
• 3490[16:39:09] <JuniusBrutus> vadimkolchev, replaced-url
• 3491[16:39:29] <celyr> Mh,
• 3492[16:39:38] <uzeiro> jmcnaught: Had to use MATE because GNOME didn't worked for me in Debian 9 (invisible cursor, upside-down interface, freezing... A complete mess). I don't like KDE :p
• 3493[16:39:52] <vadimkolchev> JuniusBrutus, well, I tried that earlier on gnome desktop and my laptop was dying really, couldn't handle it and was extremely slow, not sure why, though
• 3494[16:39:53] <JuniusBrutus> vadimkolchev, I get a weird display on my monitor and my laptop's display, too, if I don't have DRI3 enabled
• 3495[16:39:59] <celyr> If I install stretch from scratch I'm getting the new pleasant colored prompt
• 3496[16:40:11] <celyr> But If I upgrade I don't get it
• 3497[16:40:12] <celyr> wtf ?
• 3498[16:40:20] <JuniusBrutus> vadimkolchev, oh
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• 3508[16:41:59] <themill> celyr: such things are defined in a user's .bashrc and packages don't touch anything inside a user's home directory
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• 3511[16:42:29] <celyr> themill, so I would get it making a new user
• 3512[16:42:31] <kaliko> Hi ! Is it wrong to call apt/apt-get with Default-Release on stretch-updates ? ie. replaced-url
• 3513[16:42:36] <celyr> but where is the .bashrc for new users ?
• 3514[16:42:52] <themill> celyr: /etc/skel
• 3515[16:43:07] <celyr> right, thanks
• 3516[16:43:18] <themill> kaliko: what are you trying to achieve?
• 3517[16:44:06] <kaliko> I have a cron-apt (on jessie) config allowing to update packages from stretch-updates only.
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• 3522[16:44:48] <BCMM> lovelybac0n: it's a $PATH issue - root has /sbin as well as /bin in the $PATH
• 3523[16:45:05] <BCMM> lovelybac0n: you can try running /sbin/yourcommandhere, or you could add /sbin to your $PATH
• 3524[16:45:26] <kaliko> themill: It is woking fine on jessie, with strecth I got "E: The value 'stretch-updates' is invalid for APT::Default-Release as such a release is not available in the sources"
• 3525[16:45:31] <themill> kaliko: 'update' is pretty irrelevant
• 3526[16:45:34] <BCMM> lovelybac0n: and same for /usr/sbin
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• 3531[16:46:44] <lovelybac0n> BCMM, Thanks. That makes sense.
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• 3534[16:46:55] <themill> kaliko: you probably want stretch/updates not stretch-updates too. (and unattended-upgrades might be the package you are looking for)
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• 3539[16:47:21] <BCMM> lovelybac0n: i usually just keep /sbin and /usr/sbin in my $PATH since there are several commands in there that are actually useful without being root
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• 3547[16:48:05] <lovelybac0n> BCMM, like all gnu utils?
• 3548[16:48:31] <BCMM> lovelybac0n: not sure what you mean there; a bunch of coreutils live in /bin/
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• 3551[16:48:44] <kaliko> themill: Is cron-apt deprecated ?
• 3552[16:48:59] <jasonwc> BCMM, Network-Manager was indeed the culprit. /etc/resolv.conf was actually a symbolic link to a file in a Network Manager folder
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• 3555[16:49:19] <BCMM> jasonwc: ah, i should have thought of the symbolic link thing
• 3556[16:49:34] <lovelybac0n> BCMM, I mean coreutils. Is there any security risks or is it just links?
• 3557[16:49:42] <BCMM> jasonwc: tbh i don't really understand the logic behind resolv.conf symlinks
• 3558[16:49:44] <themill> kaliko: no, but you're trying to reimplement (badly) something that is already done elsewhere
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• 3560[16:50:10] <jasonwc> BCMM, I disabled NM, deleted the symlink, and created a real file with nameservers
• 3561[16:50:12] <jasonwc> seems to work fine
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• 3564[16:50:36] <BCMM> lovelybac0n: the only coreutils file i have in /sbin is chroot
• 3565[16:50:44] <BCMM> lovelybac0n: so i'm afraid i don't understand your question
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• 3570[16:52:01] <BCMM> lovelybac0n: anyway, there's no harm having /sbin/ and /usr/sbin in your user's $PATH, and it's the default on many distros
• 3571[16:52:16] <kaliko> alright, thanks for the advice themill. I'll look at unattended-upgrades.
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• 3573[16:52:26] <lovelybac0n> BCMM, If I want fsck that is in /bin last time I checked without sudo for --help then I need to add that to path? Maybe it is and I'm an idiot.
• 3574[16:52:29] <BCMM> and for a power-user it's not that unusual to want to run some "administrative" commands *without* root
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• 3576[16:53:01] <tga0> greetings. does anyone know a nice web log viewer? not web logs, a web app that can push local logs to web clients
• 3577[16:53:10] <BCMM> random example: mkfs on an image file owned by a user
• 3578[16:53:18] <BCMM> lovelybac0n: fsck is in /sbin/
• 3579[16:53:25] <BCMM> lovelybac0n: you can run /sbin/fsck --help
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• 3584[16:54:00] <lovelybac0n> BCMM, That helps alot. Now I get it. Thank you.
• 3585[16:54:05] <BCMM> lovelybac0n: but you'll usually want the manual for a *specific* fsck anyway
• 3586[16:54:35] <BCMM> e.g. fsck.vfat or fsck.ext4
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• 3588[16:54:57] <BCMM> you only have to change your $PATH variable if you get fed up of typing the full path every time
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• 3591[16:55:47] <lovelybac0n> Yeah. I was just used to the arch way. When I know about it there is no issue.
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• 3593[16:56:24] <BCMM> lovelybac0n: arch probably has sbin dirs in the PATH, many distros do
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• 3597[16:57:53] <lovelybac0n> Honestly I can't recall. Was on arch for years and concentrated on other stuff.
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• 3602[16:58:30] <BCMM> oh! informational networking stuff too, like ifconfig and route
• 3603[16:58:37] <xelarellum> hey. today i upgraded oldstable to oldstable and it seems as nagios3 isnt availoble anymore
• 3604[16:58:40] <BCMM> (yes, i know i should just use /bin/ip)
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• 3607[16:58:59] <lovelybac0n> paths and enviroment variables are there but I never had the interest to look into it.
• 3608[16:59:06] <xelarellum> i can still find it in package,debian.org but not with apt-get or aptitude
• 3609[16:59:57] <lovelybac0n> ip link. I like systemd but I hate the syntax.
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• 3612[17:01:13] <celyr> xelarellum, I hereby confirm you that there is no nagios package on stretch, it seems
• 3613[17:01:17] <celyr> ,package nagios
• 3614[17:01:33] * celyr looks at dpkg
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• 3618[17:02:09] <Fallenour> celyr: waaaah?! thats like the sacred staple of all things linux
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• 3621[17:02:32] <xelarellum> celyr: but i wonder why i can see them replaced-url
• 3622[17:02:43] <celyr> cause is jessie ?
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• 3627[17:03:40] <celyr> it seems that nagios was transitioned
• 3628[17:03:45] <celyr> from nagios to monitors
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• 3630[17:03:55] <celyr> monitoring
• 3631[17:04:07] <xelarellum> celyr: replaced-url
• 3632[17:04:19] <kodapa> hello
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• 3634[17:04:32] <celyr> xelarellum, still jessie
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• 3636[17:05:23] <xp> If "dpkg --contents package.deb" lists all the files the package installs, how do I remove the files in that list?
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• 3640[17:05:42] <celyr> xp, play with xargs
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• 3642[17:05:57] <celyr> but maybe yo should uninstall that pkg ?
• 3643[17:06:02] <xelarellum> celyr: but i would think if have stable in my sources.list i will see the same
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• 3647[17:06:18] <celyr> xelarellum, actually packages.debian.org it's a bit outdated
• 3648[17:06:25] <celyr> and still list jessie as stable sometimes
• 3649[17:06:36] <celyr> but if you have stable from repo then you have stretch now.
• 3650[17:06:45] <celyr> and stretch has no nagis
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• 3652[17:06:47] <celyr> nagios
• 3653[17:06:53] <Dollar> has anyone installed Debian 8 or 9 on raid10 using mdadm?
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• 3656[17:07:31] <celyr> xelarellum, btw
• 3657[17:07:32] <xelarellum> celyr: oh i understand. still i am f*cked, but at least know whats going on.
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• 3659[17:07:42] <celyr> I can confirm you that it was a design decision
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• 3661[17:07:50] <xelarellum> celyr: so i have to migrate to icinga or something else?
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• 3664[17:08:07] <celyr> they replaced-url
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• 3671[17:09:48] <celyr> icinga seems to be still supported tho
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• 3674[17:10:25] <xp> celyr: dpkg and apt say the package isn't installed, so I thought of removing its files
• 3675[17:10:43] <celyr> xp, check if some other pkg installed those files
• 3676[17:10:48] <celyr> if no then remove
• 3677[17:10:55] <celyr> sorry now I gtg have a nice day
• 3678[17:11:12] <jhutchins_wk> ,v nagios
• 3679[17:11:13] <judd> No package named 'nagios' was found in amd64.
• 3680[17:11:17] <jhutchins_wk> ,v nagios3
• 3681[17:11:18] <judd> Package: nagios3 on amd64 -- wheezy: 3.4.1-3+deb7u1; wheezy-security: 3.4.1-3+deb7u3; wheezy-backports: 3.4.1-5~bpo7+2; jessie: 3.5.1.dfsg-2+b1
• 3682[17:11:22] <xp> "xargs rm -riv < dpkg --contents deb.deb" says "bash: dpkg: No such file or directory". Now I'm lost
• 3683[17:11:24] <jhutchins_wk> ,v nagios4
• 3684[17:11:25] <judd> No package named 'nagios4' was found in amd64.
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• 3686[17:11:34] <jhutchins_wk> qed
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• 3689[17:11:46] <Fallenour> what do you think is better? Rsync or btrfs
• 3690[17:12:11] <xelarellum> celyr: thx!
• 3691[17:12:18] <jhutchins_wk> Fallenour: A transport protocol or a filesystem?
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• 3694[17:12:39] <jelly> cake!
• 3695[17:12:42] <jelly> !best
• 3696[17:12:42] <dpkg> Best for what? Please define what you mean by "best". Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis!
• 3697[17:12:45] <Fallenour> jhutchins_wk: Filesystem, specifically using to revert back with snapshots
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• 3699[17:12:52] <xelarellum> judd: seems i have to choose something new
• 3700[17:13:31] <lovelybac0n> zfs
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• 3704[17:14:57] <TomG2> jelly knows his way around the bot
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• 3706[17:15:19] <Fallenour> jelly layin siege to me today :'(
• 3707[17:15:54] <lovelybac0n> Anyone for tennis? Are dpk* even trying. That song is so old it hurts. And it's a crappy song.
• 3708[17:16:01] <Fallenour> jelly be like: fallenour tears > /dev/null | rm -f /fallenour/hopes/and/dreams/
• 3709[17:16:31] <Fallenour> **
• 3710[17:16:46] <lovelybac0n> Hello belly!
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• 3726[17:20:16] <jmcnaught> Fallenour: hey, maybe try "i'm trying to solve this problem that i describe here with decent detail. which of these two strategies/tools should i use?"
• 3727[17:20:24] <lucas_arg> well did install with debian installer
• 3728[17:20:33] <lucas_arg> no problems
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• 3730[17:21:04] <zuiss1> does anyone know the nftables alternative to "sudo ufw enable default" which denies all incoming and allows all outgoing connections? i was reading about the new firewall in debian 9 that replaced iptables
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• 3733[17:21:27] <Bliepo> Hello, I am having the following problem with freeradius: (9) mschap: WARNING: No Cleartext-Password configured. Cannot create NT-Passwo
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• 3735[17:21:35] <BluesKaj> lucas_arg, good to hear :-)
• 3736[17:22:05] <Bliepo> Even though I have a corresponding entry with a cleartext-password
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• 3746[17:26:33] <zuiss1> it looks like iptables is still installed by default and not nftables on my debian 9 install
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• 3755[17:28:52] <BluesKaj> zuiss1, did you upgrade from jessie, if so then you options are open to switch
• 3756[17:29:09] <zuiss1> BluesKaj: clean install, not upgrade
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• 3759[17:29:28] <zuiss1> the nftables package isn't installed, but iptables still is
• 3760[17:29:49] <dax> that's intended.
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• 3766[17:32:00] <zuiss1> then what's the point of the announcements about debian switching to nftables if iptables is still the one that comes by default?
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• 3772[17:32:59] <dax> I wouldn't know, I haven't seen any.
• 3773[17:33:05] <lovelybac0n> sorry, stupid internet. m
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• 3782[17:34:13] <BluesKaj> zuiss1, perhaps nftables isn't ready yet ..debian is known for it's cautious approach to security apps
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• 3785[17:35:21] <lovelybac0n> nice question.
• 3786[17:36:11] <zuiss1> replaced-url
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• 3788[17:36:29] <zuiss1> found this. it's saying it needs to be installed, so it's not default installed
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• 3790[17:36:59] <greycat> you can also see that by looking at the "Priority:" in apt-cache show nftables
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• 3794[17:37:53] <BluesKaj> I guess debian leaves it up to users to make the changes if they wish, then wait for any bugs to be reported
• 3795[17:37:59] <lovelybac0n> If you're gonna preach, then preach.
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• 3804[17:40:12] <nterprais> hi
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• 3806[17:40:36] <lovelybac0n> replaced-url
• 3807[17:40:38] <lovelybac0n> christ
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• 3809[17:41:17] <lovelybac0n> Multiple Actions One rule can hold multiple actions. With iptables, this would mean splitting rules, and jumping to different blocks.
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• 3813[17:42:05] <lovelybac0n> replaced-url
• 3814[17:42:10] <lovelybac0n> great
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• 3819[17:42:49] <greycat> If they really want to "explain" something, they should take an actual machine and an actual iptables configuration, and convert it to nftables, and show them both. Not these mysterious context-free single lines.
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• 3822[17:43:29] <cusco> hey folks
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• 3826[17:44:04] <cusco> We've replaced disks in a multi device array (mdadm) and blkid is shoind same ID's for several different disks
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• 3828[17:44:14] <cusco> i'm not sure if thats supposed to happen
• 3829[17:44:16] <lovelybac0n> greycat, I have no cat to skin as I haven't read up on it.
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• 3833[17:44:39] <lovelybac0n> Cooked cat is terrible btw
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• 3835[17:44:47] <cusco> at the moment I'm having difficulties booting with grub because we moved from mbr to gpt (partitions over 2TB)
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• 3837[17:45:25] <cusco> anyway, any one of you using md devices, could issue a blkid and check if the partitions belonging to a md have the same id ?=
• 3838[17:45:27] <Dollar> anyone having problems installing /boot on raid10? :>
• 3839[17:45:42] <zuiss1> greycat: yea i agree. i think i will stick with iptables now since the "ufw" program makes it very easy to just type "ufw enable default" and be done
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• 3841[17:46:02] <cusco> Dollar: is that for me, or a question of your own?
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• 3846[17:46:42] <Dollar> question in general, i cant seem to boot when installing debian on raid10
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• 3848[17:47:01] <Dollar> on a virtual machine all is ok with the raid if I try it on bare metal grub cant install itself on the raid
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• 3850[17:47:47] <cusco> what superblock version, dollar ? (mdadm --detail /dev/mdX)
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• 3854[17:48:47] <arturo> greycat: I can answer your questions tomorrow about nftables/iptables :-)
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• 3863[17:50:38] <greycat> I didn't have any questions.
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• 3866[17:51:01] <colo-work> well then you should probably make up some!
• 3867[17:51:30] <arturo> oh, fine then. I read about some mysterious context-free single lines and we can discuss about them :-)
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• 3869[17:51:47] <arturo> see you tomorrow!
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• 3904[18:02:57] <XXOOXX> Hello. How to fix NVIDIA gtx 930m driver question in Debian stretch ?Thx
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• 3907[18:03:34] <HoloIRCUser1> Test
• 3908[18:04:04] <towo`> XXOOXX, what question?
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• 3912[18:05:21] <lovelybac0n> hmmm gtx930M I recognize that optimus question.
• 3913[18:05:21] <HoloIRCUser1> Terminal
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• 3915[18:06:22] <XXOOXX> About Nvidia video driver . I'm coming crazy about that
• 3916[18:06:35] <towo`> optimus == bumblebee == crap
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• 3918[18:06:40] <HoloIRCUser1> Toast
• 3919[18:06:44] <HoloIRCUser1> Hmmm
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• 3921[18:07:03] <XXOOXX> apt-get install bumblebee ?
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• 3924[18:07:27] <towo`> XXOOXX, read the wiki page
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• 3926[18:07:31] <lovelybac0n> like was said moons ago
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• 3928[18:07:44] <lovelybac0n> ok, maybe half a moon.
• 3929[18:07:47] <XXOOXX> Ok, thx for you
• 3930[18:07:50] <towo`> replaced-url
• 3931[18:08:16] <jasonwc> What is the typical delay for security updates in testing vs. Stable? I know that only stable has official Security support and updates can be held up in testing. I've only ever used Debian Stable on production systems, but I've also used Debian for servers. For a desktop, I don't know that I'll want to go 2 years with the same software packages (I know that there are backports but lots of stuff don't get updates)
• 3932[18:08:24] <JBB> Is there a IRC channel about the debian hurd port? I would like to know how I can build hurd images, live-build doesn't seem to support it and crosshurd didn't work for me either.
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• 3934[18:08:52] <lovelybac0n> jasonwc, what are you asking?
• 3935[18:08:52] <HexNotWelcome> 49416d4c6567696f6e
• 3936[18:09:07] <HexNotWelcome> Ok. We good
• 3937[18:09:24] <greycat> !testing security
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• 3939[18:09:31] <iBattaglin> Bitlbee ftw
• 3940[18:09:32] <iBattaglin> hehe
• 3941[18:09:40] <iBattaglin> not bumle
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• 3943[18:09:51] <greycat> Hmm.
• 3944[18:09:52] <jasonwc> lovelybac0n, What is the typical delay between the time a security update is pushed to Stable and when it makes it to Testing. Updates for Testing would generally go through the maintainer and then have to go through an automatic hold. I'm asking what is the typical delay.
• 3945[18:09:53] <lovelybac0n> greycat, hehehehe..
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• 3947[18:10:06] <greycat> What's so funny? Dpkg isn't responding, which isn't very funny to me.
• 3948[18:10:09] <HexNotWelcome> Linux could rule shame vid drivers not applicable
• 3949[18:10:20] <JBB> I think you can also use the debian stretch security repos with testing, although it's not officially supported. Testing often has a delay of a few weeks between sid and testing, but I'm not sure if this is also valid for security updates ...
• 3950[18:10:26] <jasonwc> Yeah, I know the recommendation is to use STable if you care about security.
• 3951[18:10:33] <jasonwc> I just want to get an idea of what the delay is like.
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• 3955[18:10:59] <jasonwc> My understanding is that security updates get pushed faster, but I've never tried myself.
• 3956[18:11:10] <lovelybac0n> jasonwc, security update are always pushed to every branch. Are you stupid? Do you think security updates have to wait for years?
• 3957[18:11:11] <JBB> Look at tracker.debian.org and look for an example package
• 3958[18:11:16] <greycat> dpkg, literal testing security
• 3959[18:11:18] <dpkg> "testing security" is "<reply> see buster/updates"
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• 3961[18:11:23] <greycat> Ahhhh.
• 3962[18:11:29] <lovelybac0n> christ.
• 3963[18:11:34] <greycat> dpkg, stretch/updates
• 3964[18:11:44] <greycat> Fuuuuck.
• 3965[18:11:57] <jasonwc> lovelybac0n, I can't tell if you are being intentionally vitriolic or just ignorant. replaced-url
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• 3967[18:12:27] <greycat> Anyway, there USED to be a nice "testing security" factoid which explained how it worked. :(
• 3968[18:12:32] <jasonwc> Obviously isn't not years. It would be a matter of days.
• 3969[18:12:36] <lovelybac0n> jasonwc, bpaste your /etc/apt/sources.list please
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• 3972[18:13:03] <jasonwc> greycat, Do you mean this? - "A: Security for testing benefits from the security efforts of the entire project for unstable. However, there is a minimum two-day migration delay, and sometimes security fixes can be held up by transitions. The Security Team helps to move along those transitions holding back important security uploads, but this is not always possible and delays may occur. Especially in the months after a new stable release, when many
• 3973[18:13:03] <jasonwc> new versions are uploaded to unstable, security fixes for testing may lag behind. If you want to have a secure (and stable) server you are strongly encouraged to stay with stable."
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• 3976[18:13:27] <jmcnaught> jasonwc: it can be weeks sometimes. if you need security or it's a public server stick with stable. especially right now that stretch is fresh all the software is still pretty recent
• 3977[18:13:46] <lovelybac0n> still
• 3978[18:13:47] <greycat> dpkg, no, testing security is <reply> Security updates in testing are delayed by the normal testing migration *and* may be further delayed by missing dependencies, etc. See replaced-url
• 3979[18:13:48] <dpkg> greycat: okay
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• 3981[18:13:53] <jasonwc> jmcnaught, Yeah, I'm using Stretch now. I'm really just wondering about what happens in a year when the software is older.
• 3982[18:14:17] <lovelybac0n> it's older
• 3983[18:14:20] <jasonwc> lovelybac0n, I am using stable currently - replaced-url
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• 3986[18:14:30] <lovelybac0n> ka
• 3987[18:14:37] <JBB> I can recommend using sid, it get's every update when it's packaged, without much delay
• 3988[18:14:46] <greycat> Please do not recommend sid in this channel.
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• 3990[18:14:57] <lovelybac0n> jasonwc, I'm on stretch, but then again I'm not afraid.
• 3991[18:15:06] <jmcnaught> jasonwc: there's an actual security team that supports the stable release. with testing, security updates only happen when packages migrate from unstable to testing following normal procedures (which can include long delays)
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• 3993[18:15:10] <JBB> oh, didn't know that ...
• 3994[18:15:10] <JBB> sorry
• 3995[18:15:11] <jasonwc> greycat, I find Stable great for servers. I'm just not sure how well it will work for a desktop.
• 3996[18:15:17] <spacebug^> no security updates using sid. Stable is recommended to use
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• 3999[18:15:50] <jasonwc> jmcnaught, Yeah, that's my concern. I would assume most make it through in a few days, but you're SOL if there's some issue that causes it to take weeks.
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• 4003[18:16:43] <greycat> That's why we endorse running stable on exposed servers and other systems where security is important.
• 4004[18:16:46] <jmcnaught> jasonwc: i love debian stable on desktops because it means my computer works the same with no surprises every day. you can get newer stuff from backports, or run newer stuff in a container if you really need to. personally i like my computer that i depend on to get work done to not have surprises. "stable" in this context means "doesn't change much"
• 4005[18:16:47] <tnan123> so sid is more stable then testing but stable is the best? am i getting that right?
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• 4007[18:16:51] <lovelybac0n> Thinking about sid. What is the drawback. Lots of breakage or few? Coming from arch.
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• 4010[18:17:02] <tnan123> oops i meant more secure*
• 4011[18:17:03] <greycat> sid is LESS stable than testing, but it gets security fixes faster
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• 4014[18:17:10] <jasonwc> JBB, yes, sid gets updates quickly, but things can also break since there's no regression testing before packges hit Sid
• 4015[18:17:20] <hiya> Anyone using Seafile-gui on Debian Stretch?
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• 4018[18:17:34] <greycat> but they're not "security fixes" in the sense that the security team actually went in and fixed something. they're just newer upstream versions or whatever the package maintainer felt like doing today
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• 4021[18:17:52] <lovelybac0n> greycat, like arch?
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• 4025[18:18:24] <jasonwc> Also, during a freeze, new packages don't migrate to Sid, so you wouldn't be getting quick updates then, right?
• 4026[18:18:26] <ausjke> running free on one of my debian laptop the 'shared' and 'buff/cache' consumes half of my RAM(4G of 8G) no matter what I do: swappingness is 10, drop_cache is echoed 3, sync is run, ipcrm does not help, it's like a huge memory leak that is persistent, what gives?
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• 4029[18:18:47] <greycat> !free ram
• 4030[18:18:48] <dpkg> Unlike information, your computer's memory does *not* want to be free. Free RAM is wasted RAM! Linux tries to use free physical memory for caching files from disk which speeds up disk access considerably. Linux releases RAM from these caches if programs need it. If you want to know how much physical memory the free(1) tool says you have left for program use, it's 'free' + 'buffers' + 'cache'. Also ask me about <swapwake>.
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• 4036[18:19:10] <BlueSpruce> I've never really had a need (and desire) to use Skype video calls, but currently I do. But Skype for Linux Beta tells me, that video calls "are not supported on this platform yet". This platform being Debian. Are there any solutions to this?
• 4037[18:19:20] <koollman> well, it should be lower after drop_caches. And start to go up quickly of course :)
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• 4039[18:19:23] <porton> What is the difference between stretch/updates and stretch-updates?
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• 4043[18:19:40] <jmcnaught> BlueSpruce: can you use a webrtc thing like talky.io?
• 4044[18:19:42] <ausjke> i know those basics..and i have multiple machines, it's just this laptop easily ran out of memory and I noticed its shared/buff/cache stays high no matter what I do, which is not the case with all my other machines
• 4045[18:19:49] <greycat> porton: /msg dpkg stretch-updates /msg dpkg stretch/updates
• 4046[18:19:51] <ausjke> i'm out of my wits
• 4047[18:20:03] <JBB> Which Debian version are you trying to use skype on?
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• 4051[18:20:26] <lovelybac0n> out
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• 4055[18:20:37] <porton> greycat: the bot hasn't answered my question
• 4056[18:20:43] <jmcnaught> ausjke: the kernel manages buffers and cache automatically, it will free that memory if needed, or keep it to speed up disk IO, don't worry about it
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• 4060[18:20:57] <greycat> dpkg, stretch/updates
• 4061[18:20:57] <dpkg> Security updates in testing are delayed by the normal testing migration *and* may be further delayed by missing dependencies, etc. See replaced-url
• 4062[18:21:00] <greycat> dpkg, stretch-updates
• 4063[18:21:01] <dpkg> well, stretch-updates is a suite providing updates to some packages (from <proposed-updates>) prior to a <point release>. All packages from stretch-updates will be included in point releases. replaced-url
• 4064[18:21:07] <greycat> Too fucking tired to do anything else.
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• 4067[18:22:08] <JBB> BlueSpruce: You can try building the skype appimage. It works for me. (replaced-url
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• 4069[18:22:22] <BlueSpruce> jmcnaught, I am able to use different services, but the potential employers use skype.
• 4070[18:22:27] <jasonwc> Has there been any update on the situation with Thunderbird? Presently, Oath2 is broken so you can't add a new GMail account. This is fixed in 52.2, the version in Sid, but the fix has not been backported to Stretch. This has been an issue for a while.
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• 4072[18:22:29] <ausjke> jmcnaught: yes, however echo 3 to drop_caches does not change anything(unlike other machines), i do this because my laptop is having serious memory-related performance issues these days, while my other lower end machine runs the same task better
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• 4076[18:23:01] <ausjke> the strange thing is the 'shared' stays very high, 4G out of 8G after a while, and it never went away, something is using my shm and never releases it!
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• 4081[18:24:05] <BlueSpruce> JBB, thank you, I'll definitely try this!
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• 4083[18:24:44] <ausjke> i don't want to change /proc/sys/kernel/shmall but maybe that's the way to do
• 4084[18:24:52] <jmcnaught> BlueSpruce: there's also a flatpak for skype: replaced-url
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• 4089[18:26:15] <zuiss1> is there a qt version of networkmanager in debian? i did a search for networkmanager qt and am only seeing this: libkf5networkmanagerqt6 - Qt wrapper for NetworkManager - library
• 4090[18:26:24] <l9> hello all i am trying too have computer A sshing into B and por forward A sshd too B so that B can ssh back too A ?
• 4091[18:26:49] <BlueSpruce> jmcnaught, I'm learning so many new things today, thank you so much.
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• 4095[18:28:04] <jhutchins_wk> zuiss1: There's a cli UI in the repos.
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• 4108[18:31:15] <jmcnaught> ausjke: what does "ps -exo pid,user,args,rss --sort -rss | head" tell you?
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• 4112[18:32:29] <jmcnaught> heh or just run top and sort by memory with M
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• 4117[18:33:03] <ausjke> jmcnaught: it's all chrome processes. same as what 'smem' told me
• 4118[18:33:26] <jmcnaught> solution: use firefox
• 4119[18:33:47] <disi> I'm not sure what the implications of this are: replaced-url
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• 4121[18:33:49] <judd> Bug replaced-url
• 4122[18:33:55] <disi> is that a good reason to wait to upgrade to stretch?
• 4123[18:33:59] <ausjke> jmcnaught: the trick thing is that, i opened 20 tabs, then use chrome's OneTab to put them all into one Tab, and its Task-Manager told me it consumes just a little memory, however the 20-tab-taken-shmem never went away
• 4124[18:34:19] <ausjke> the issue is probably the OneTab plugin should trigger chrome's GC somehow
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• 4127[18:34:28] <ausjke> i think that should be the cause. Thanks!
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• 4129[18:35:09] <jmcnaught> ausjke: i don't know what onetab is. are you using chrome or chromium? firefox uses less memory than either of them these days by the way.
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• 4143[18:39:57] <ausjke> jmcnaught: switch to firefox now
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• 4148[18:42:25] <DBeepBeep> I'm looking to get a newer version gcc than what is in the stable. Is there a way to change the sources for a single package?
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• 4151[18:43:03] <cusco> you can add new sources and use apt-get install -t <source> package
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• 4154[18:43:14] <cusco> also check apt-cache policy package
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• 4156[18:43:29] <jmcnaught> DBeepBeep: best to do it in a separate container or chroot than to potentially mess up your system. definitely _do_not_ mix stable and testing or unstable
• 4157[18:43:31] <cusco> normally newer versions are available on backports
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• 4160[18:43:55] <TheReds> Test
• 4161[18:44:00] <cusco> !test
• 4162[18:44:00] <dpkg> Test failed.
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• 4165[18:45:22] <TheReds> SO hows 9 doing
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• 4196[18:53:59] <Temuthril> I think my os drive letter changes after install (sdd -> sdc), how would I change it later so it can boot?
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• 4201[18:56:04] <jmcnaught> Temuthril: what happens when you try to boot? were there any warnings or errors during the install? which release & installer image are using?
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• 4209[18:57:46] <Temuthril> debian 9 netinst 64bit, install goes fine, but then it says /dev/sdd1 not found
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• 4212[18:58:00] <Temuthril> I'm installing it on a hp microserver gen8, and during the install the usb drive I use occupies /dev/sdc, while the ssd is on /dev/sdd
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• 4214[18:58:19] <pvoigt> jelly: Thanks, I will test it before in a VM, if it is necessary to remove third party packages before the upgrade.
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• 4218[18:58:38] <likcoras> Hi, I used to use a rule like `SUBSYSTEM=="drm", KERNEL=="card[0-9]*", ACTION=="change", ENV{DISPLAY}=":0", ENV{XAUTHORITY}="/home/likcoras/.Xauthority", RUN+="/usr/bin/xrandr --output DP1 --auto --left-of eDP1"` to enable external monitor on plug and disable it when I unplug it, but after upgrading to stretch it does the opposite.
• 4219[18:58:39] <Temuthril> after removing the usb stick after a successful install, the os drive moves itself to /dev/sdc, as far as I can tell
• 4220[18:58:40] <dhaller> I am trying to follow the direction on the replaced-url
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• 4223[18:59:00] <likcoras> ie. plugging in disables the monitor (in xrandr) and unplugging it enables it.
• 4224[18:59:01] <dhaller> I do not want to run sudo
• 4225[18:59:05] <greycat> dhaller: obviously that part has to be run as root.
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• 4227[18:59:18] <dhaller> I understand that it is not advised to run make as root
• 4228[18:59:24] <greycat> Once you make /opt/gnat you can chown it to your non-root user and then do the rest as you.
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• 4230[18:59:39] <dhaller> ok
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• 4239[19:00:47] <dhaller> ty
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• 4248[19:02:18] <n-iCe> Does debian 9 supports uefi?
• 4249[19:02:23] <greycat> Yes.
• 4250[19:02:34] <n-iCe> Awesome
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• 4256[19:03:11] <zuiss1> i have a vpn client that is installed in debian 9 but clicking the menu option does nothing. it can also be launched from a executible in the home directory, a run.sh file. but that fails too and the output only says "pia_nw: no process found"
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• 4258[19:03:22] <zuiss1> how would i troubleshoot why this works in jessie but not stretch?
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• 4261[19:03:51] <likcoras> zuiss1: for starters, what does the run.sh file contain?
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• 4263[19:04:19] <ausjke> jmcnaught: arhh...found the true root cause, the bootchart's collector process keeps eating memory until 4G
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• 4267[19:05:16] <zuiss1> likcoras: hmm let me check
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• 4270[19:05:32] <jimjamjim> how do i set more than one wired iface in wicd?
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• 4274[19:06:45] <zuiss1> likcoras: seems pretty small replaced-url
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• 4277[19:07:11] <greycat> it... runs a ruby script.
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• 4279[19:07:18] <zuiss1> i don't have ruby installed
• 4280[19:07:22] <zuiss1> could that be it
• 4281[19:07:42] <zuiss1> installing now
• 4282[19:07:57] <jmcnaught> Temuthril: normally the installer will use UUIDs in /etc/fstab. is it possible there's an old install of GRUB on one of the drives?
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• 4284[19:08:07] <greycat> It seems to think that it will find ruby inside the directory where the script is "installed", if all the stars align. (This is a stupid programming technique.)
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• 4286[19:08:34] <greycat> In the directory where run.sh is, there should be "64/ruby" and/or "32/ruby"
• 4287[19:08:35] <likcoras> Eh, why is it dumb? When would that script fail?
• 4288[19:08:36] * ausjke wishes mips64 is supported in stretch in addition to mipsel64
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• 4291[19:08:55] <greycat> It's dumb because it relies on $0 to try to guess where the file is. This is wrong. It fails in many situations.
• 4292[19:09:04] <greycat> replaced-url
• 4293[19:09:07] <Temuthril> it's a fresh install
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• 4299[19:09:45] <zuiss1> i installed ruby but it didn't fix it or change the output unfortunately: sh run.sh > pia_nw: no process found kill: (2571): No such process
• 4300[19:09:46] <jmcnaught> Temuthril: and it has never had another linux install on it before, the HDDs came out of a shrink wrap today?
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• 4302[19:10:08] <Temuthril> correct
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• 4304[19:10:22] <Bliepo> Anyone willing to help me with a problem with freeradius? Have been at it for 10+ hours already and it's driving me insane
• 4305[19:10:29] <greycat> zuiss1: at this point you have to read inside the ruby script, which is clearly running (you didn't get "sh: 32/ruby: command not found"
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• 4307[19:10:30] <likcoras> Huh, interesting.
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• 4311[19:10:51] <jmcnaught> zuiss1: is this for PIA or some other openvpn provider? you should just configure networkmanager or openvpn@.service instead of using their garbage scripts
• 4312[19:11:02] <maher> does anyone know where the droid fonts are in stretch?
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• 4317[19:11:27] <jmcnaught> Temuthril: can you show a picture of the error that you get or provide more detail about which step in the boot process this error happens?
• 4318[19:11:46] <jandrusk> Since Debian Stable is now "Stretch" and I've been running "Stretch" for Debian Testing, do I just need to update my sources to "Buster" instead of "Stretch" so it goes back to Debian Testing?
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• 4320[19:11:52] <n-iCe> Wow
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• 4323[19:12:05] <n-iCe> Debian live 9 gnome is almost 3GB
• 4324[19:12:09] <greycat> jandrusk: if you want to continue following testing forever, you can change it to "testing". If you want to follow buster, change it to "buster".
• 4325[19:12:09] <zuiss1> jmcnaught: yes it's PIA
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• 4330[19:12:36] <jandrusk> greycat: Thanks.
• 4331[19:12:41] <zuiss1> jmcnaught: their client has some convenient checkboxes like letting you choose the encryption type and enabling dns leak protection
• 4332[19:12:55] <jmcnaught> jandrusk: or use stretch for a bit, it's new, and right now testing will have a lot of changes happening
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• 4335[19:13:22] <jmcnaught> zuiss1: assuming that it actually does what it says it does. if it's the same quality as their script…
• 4336[19:13:25] <greycat> jmcnaught: ... once the x-day delay for migration from unstable->testing is passed
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• 4339[19:14:03] <greycat> jmcnaught: they actually used quotes correctly, which is a small miracle.
• 4340[19:14:16] <greycat> Failed "all-caps vars" and "uses $0" though.
• 4341[19:14:36] <zuiss1> greycat: so i can see arch would be 64, dirname looks like /bin but i don't have a /bin/64 directory
• 4342[19:14:44] <zuiss1> maybe that's why. because it isn't finding 64 in bin
• 4343[19:14:55] <greycat> zuiss1: dirname of $0 which is the name that the shell placed in argv[0] when it ran this script
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• 4346[19:15:05] <greycat> zuiss1: which is COMPLETELY UNRELIABLE
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• 4348[19:15:18] <jmcnaught> PIA blocks access to port 587 on all servers, and took my entire two week vacation to whitelist mine
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• 4350[19:15:55] <zuiss1> lol
• 4351[19:15:57] <greycat> zuiss1: in your case it appears to have "worked", because it clearly executed the ruby interpreter and has moved on past this sh script into the *.rb script
• 4352[19:16:07] <zuiss1> greycat: oh ok
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• 4356[19:16:34] <zuiss1> maybe it is actually working but not appearing in my panel as an applet
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• 4358[19:17:09] <zuiss1> i did some search online for that output i copied above and some PIA person said that's normal and to ignore it
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• 4362[19:18:09] <zuiss1> i foudn something which says if the icon doesn't appear, to run it with this option: nohup env XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP=Unity ~/.pia_manager/pia_manager/run.sh
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• 4366[19:18:45] <zuiss1> i don't use unity but i tried changing it to my DE, doesn't work although everyone in that thread said that fixed it for them lol
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• 4369[19:19:01] <greycat> What do you mean, "changing it to my DE"?
• 4370[19:19:18] <greycat> The entire point of that command you pasted was to *lie* to PIA to make it *think* you are using Unity.
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• 4373[19:19:35] <greycat> (well, that, and to redirect that warning to nohup.out)
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• 4380[19:20:13] <jandrusk> greycat: yeah, think I'm going to stick with Stretch for a bit as I need to wait until VirtualBox gets ported back to Testing.
• 4381[19:20:18] <zuiss1> oh ok
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• 4385[19:20:35] <zuiss1> well did nothing with unity either
• 4386[19:20:37] <kstange> hey, does anyone know if there will be live webboot images on cdimage.debian.org for stretch?
• 4387[19:20:47] <zuiss1> i will contact their customer service and see what they say
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• 4392[19:22:31] <zuiss1> or maybe just use openvpn config like jmcnaught said
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• 4394[19:23:05] <jmcnaught> or NetworkManager if you want a gui
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• 4399[19:24:11] <zuiss1> jmcnaught: i downloaded their .opvn files for the different locations and was able to connect with sudo openvpn 'location.opvn'
• 4400[19:24:27] <greycat> \o/
• 4401[19:24:30] <zuiss1> looks like i just to control-C to disconnect from the terminal
• 4402[19:24:35] <zuiss1> i can just do it this way
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• 4404[19:24:54] <zuiss1> my real dns is showing though
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• 4413[19:26:06] <tanking> Does anyone know how to enter interactive startup mode on Debian? On Gentoo you press i after the kernel loads
• 4414[19:26:16] <jmcnaught> zuiss1: nmcli has an import feature that you could try, there might also be a GUI for that… my only NM using computer is still on jessie so i haven't tried it
• 4415[19:26:34] <Brigo> tanking, there should be and option at boot menu time
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• 4417[19:26:49] <jmcnaught> zuiss1: NM can also set custom namservers for each connection, including vpn
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• 4421[19:27:30] <zuiss1> jmcnaught: do you know that name of that nmcli package?
• 4422[19:28:13] <jmcnaught> zuiss1: network-manager
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• 4424[19:28:20] <somiaj> nmcli comes with network-manager
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• 4427[19:28:26] <Temuthril> jmcnaught: replaced-url
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• 4429[19:28:40] <zuiss1> thanks
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• 4433[19:29:10] <zuiss1> i had connman installed by default
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• 4435[19:29:28] <jmcnaught> "by default"?
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• 4438[19:29:41] <zuiss1> i don't think i installed it myself. it was a clean debian install
• 4439[19:29:46] <DammitJim1> I gotta say... debian upgrade from jessie to stretch was pretty smooth
• 4440[19:29:51] <zuiss1> unless the lxqt package installed it
• 4441[19:30:01] <DammitJim1> thanks Debian maintainers and all who made this so easy!
• 4442[19:30:24] <somiaj> DammitJim1: they do give a lot of testing to ensure this. Provided one doesn't have thrid party packages, it should work okay in most cicumstances.
• 4443[19:30:32] <mosk3d1> DammitJiml: Agreed, thank you guys
• 4444[19:30:37] <BluesKaj> PIA doesn't require a desktop to work, one can add the .ovpn and login.txt files to /etc/openvpn, then use the cli to enable the vpn and connect , using a coomand like this one: sudo openvpn --config /etc/openvpn/CA*Montreal.ovpn --auth-user-pass /etc/openvpn/login.txt...thse commands can be added to bash_aliases to make the command shorter and easier to deal with.
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• 4446[19:30:38] <DammitJim1> oh yeah, but still
• 4447[19:30:41] <somiaj> third party repos and cause problems (and sometimes backports are as fully tested)
• 4448[19:30:48] <jmcnaught> Temuthril: and this happens after the grub menu?
• 4449[19:30:58] <DammitJim1> I thought to myself this morning about how much I complain, but never give a koodos for work well done
• 4450[19:31:03] <Temuthril> yes
• 4451[19:31:18] <DammitJim1> oh, I totally removed third party repos for this upgrade 'cause I didn't want anything to get in the way
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• 4454[19:32:05] <zuiss1> BluesKaj: cool
• 4455[19:32:14] <zuiss1> i just put username and password in that login.txt file?
• 4456[19:32:19] <jmcnaught> BluesKaj: with systemd if you rename that file extension from .ovpn to .conf you can use "systemctl start openvpn@CA*Montreal" for example
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• 4458[19:32:46] <BluesKaj> zuiss1, yes
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• 4461[19:33:28] <BluesKaj> jmcnaught, really? that's cool :-)
• 4462[19:34:02] <jmcnaught> BluesKaj: look at the /lib/systemd/system/openvpn@.service unit for how it works. it's an example of instantiated services
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• 4464[19:34:37] <jmcnaught> Temuthril: i recommend booting the debian installer into rescue mode and tell it to reinstall grub
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• 4466[19:34:43] * BluesKaj looks
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• 4468[19:35:20] <Temuthril> I'll try, thanks for the help, I have to go for now
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• 4480[19:37:55] <Arcademan> I have one other quick question: is there a way to tweak the debian shell on stretch back to gnome 3.14 styling
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• 4484[19:38:43] <likcoras> Hi, I'm trying to get monitr hotplug working with udev rules, my rules looks like so: `SUBSYSTEM=="drm", KERNEL=="card[0-9]*", ACTION=="change", ENV{DISPLAY}=":0", ENV{XAUTHORITY}="/home/likcoras/.Xauthority", RUN+="/usr/local/bin/plugdisplay"` and /usr/local/bin/plugdisplay is like so: replaced-url
• 4485[19:38:59] <jmcnaught> Arcademan: you could try using the extensions in tweak-tool or from gnome-software or replaced-url
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• 4488[19:39:41] <likcoras> Wrong link, sorry. replaced-url
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• 4490[19:40:22] <ZorroT> hello there -- trying to set up mysql (mariadb) and phpadmin on a fresh debian 8, is this the appropriate channel to ask about problems with the two ?
• 4491[19:40:53] <freemee> I like Debian, congretions from me! :)
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• 4493[19:41:30] <Arcademan> jmcnaught, the adwaita theme is the same : might be I will have to do some digging via the gnome shell files further
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• 4502[19:42:33] <joelwallis> Hi! I just saw the release of Debian 9 and I would like to use it, but my computer is a MacBook Pro
• 4503[19:42:38] <freemee> Your distribution is doing very well since now! :)
• 4504[19:42:54] <joelwallis> Does anyone here is using Debian on a MacBook Pro - either as dual boot or primary OS?
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• 4509[19:43:57] <zuiss1> jmcnaught: i was always curious about how pia's installer is a 100+ mb .sh file
• 4510[19:44:03] <spacebug^> joelwallis: maybe this can point you int he right direction replaced-url
• 4511[19:44:04] <freemee> !meeeeep! :) LOL
• 4512[19:44:21] <zuiss1> how do you get a shell script that big
• 4513[19:44:27] <joelwallis> spacebug^: I have this opened right now, but it seems that its last update was on March 2010
• 4514[19:44:31] <joelwallis> 7 years ago
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• 4518[19:44:50] <joelwallis> zuiss1: embedding binary files into it?
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• 4521[19:45:00] <tw> zuiss1: are you familiar with the idea of a shar archive?
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• 4523[19:45:08] <zuiss1> i didn't know you could do that
• 4524[19:45:12] <zuiss1> tw: no
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• 4527[19:45:35] <freemee> Kill faggots on other distris, they wonly wants to be bad debian cool stuff! :)
• 4528[19:45:51] <spacebug^> joelwallis: hum ok, well I don't know. Maybe still food for thought thogh?
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• 4530[19:46:02] <greycat> freemee: Not acceptable. This is your first and last warning.
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• 4532[19:46:18] <spacebug^> freemee: please don't use words like faggots
• 4533[19:46:29] <BluesKaj> zuiss1, PIA's installer is just a .sh script
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• 4537[19:47:11] <freemee> HU is greycat on debian? :)
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• 4543[19:48:14] <likcoras> Is there anything wrong with adding /sbin and /usr/sbin to a non-root user's path? Just to I can use stuff like iw and poweroff?
• 4544[19:48:17] <zuiss1> BluesKaj: why does it freeze up my system when i try to open it in a text editor then? lol
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• 4548[19:48:46] <greycat> likcoras: Some of the commands won't work (permission denied, operation not permitted), and some of them are just going to be plain cryptic. But it's not a problem.
• 4549[19:48:53] <spacebug^> likcoras: even if it's in the path you canät use it using normal user
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• 4553[19:49:22] <likcoras> well, I have polkit for the poweroff stuff, and stuff like `iw list` is doable as a non-root user.
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• 4555[19:49:34] <freemee> greycat: fakenews? :)
• 4556[19:49:36] <Winston11> I added my user account to sudo by typing "adduser *username* sudo", but I'm still not sudo, any help?
• 4557[19:49:45] <greycat> Winston11: log out and back in
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• 4559[19:50:04] <maher> texlive-fonts-extra has /usr/share/texlive/texmf-dist/fonts/truetype/public/droid/DroidSansMono.ttf - but it doesn't show up in fc-list - running fc-cache -fv doesn't seem to help - any advice?
• 4560[19:50:08] <Winston11> greycat: will do thanks
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• 4563[19:50:40] <freemee> winsone11:fakenews?
• 4564[19:50:40] <BluesKaj> zuiss1, you downloaded the gui, there was a text shell scipt one could download from PIA , but I don't see it there anymore, maybe i need to look deeper into this
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• 4568[19:51:32] <freemee> multiple fakenews! :)
• 4569[19:51:46] <greycat> freemee: do you have a question?
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• 4571[19:51:58] <freemee> no
• 4572[19:52:13] <zuiss1> BluesKaj: ok no problem i am just using plain openvpn to connect from now on
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• 4577[19:53:20] <Winston11> greycat: logging back in worked, thanks for answering my noobish question
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• 4579[19:53:40] <freemee> looool
• 4580[19:53:46] <apurv> Touchpad settings is not showing in Debian 9 Xfce :(
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• 4582[19:54:08] <freemee> neeed speeeed!
• 4583[19:54:20] <freemee> #give me!
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• 4586[19:54:34] <maher> looking at replaced-url
• 4587[19:54:41] *** greycat sets mode: +q *!*@HSI-KBW-46-223-133-91.hsi.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de
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• 4594[19:56:17] <apurv> can anyone help me with synaptics touchpad on debian 9 xfce?
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• 4597[19:56:47] <jhutchins_wk> apurv: We can't tell unless you say what the problem is.
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• 4600[19:56:55] <dax> maher: got killed upstream, replaced-url
• 4601[19:57:04] <dax> maher: tl;dr: use fonts-noto
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• 4605[19:57:53] <apurv> jhutchins_wk, the touchpad settings is not visible under "mouse settings" in debian 9 xfce. I'm using synaptics touchpad. This setting has been visible on other Distro like Xubuntu, Manjaro Xfce, Mint...
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• 4612[19:58:34] <maher> dax: awesome - thanks!
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• 4614[19:58:46] <knstn> Why i get different ouput format & results from 'time ls' than '/usr/bin/time ls' since 'which time -> /usr/bin/time' ?
• 4615[19:59:48] <greycat> knstn: because "which" is shit, and is not a shell builtin. Try "type time"
• 4616[19:59:54] <tw> may be implemented by your shell, but which is not.
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• 4618[20:00:11] <tw> (actually which is a shell builtin on zsh, but that may not be relevant)
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• 4621[20:00:32] <greycat> interesting
• 4622[20:00:42] <knstn> 'type time -> time is a shell keyword'
• 4623[20:00:54] <greycat> But chances are he's on bash, and "time" is bash's keyword (super builtin).
• 4624[20:01:10] <knstn> yes.i'm on bash
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• 4628[20:03:33] <knstn> so... which is the correct info? time ls or /usr/bin/time ls ???
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• 4631[20:04:01] <greycat> They're both correct, just different implementations and output formats.
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• 4635[20:04:50] <greycat> also note that each one has options for controlling its output format
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• 4639[20:07:00] <HoloIRCUser1> Hmm anynee
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• 4642[20:07:31] <HoloIRCUser1> Hmmm any news on how deployment upgrades are going
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• 4647[20:09:14] <apurv> HoloIRCUser1, no clue
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• 4650[20:09:29] <jpwhiting_> hey all, I rebooted my debian stretch machine, and now am in an initiramfs busybox shell (after correctly entering the crypt password in ui)
• 4651[20:09:40] <jpwhiting_> how do I figure out what's going on why it isn't showing lightdm etc.
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• 4654[20:10:22] <jpwhiting_> dmesg log shows PM: Hibernation image not present or could not be loaded." but I didn't think I was restoring from hibernation, just a regular reboot...
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• 4656[20:10:29] <jpwhiting_> I tried the previous kernel and get the same thing
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• 4680[20:12:50] <apurv> jpwhiting_, try this
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• 4686[20:13:19] <tomnor> on debian stretch, I get prompted to restart and install often throught the graphical window. Is there a way to say install but restart later?
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• 4693[20:14:23] <jpwhiting_> apurv, which one? there are several ideas on there
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• 4698[20:14:58] <apurv> jpwhiting_, the first answer with 67 upvotes
• 4699[20:15:24] <jpwhiting_> apurv, I didn't install onto an ntfs partition with windows dual boot
• 4700[20:15:27] <jpwhiting_> just debian here
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• 4702[20:16:11] <apurv> jpwhiting_, yes, the problem is just with the debian installation's superblock
• 4703[20:16:17] <jpwhiting_> where it says "It seems that you have a bad superblock. To fix this:" how did they determine that the user has a bad superblock ?
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• 4705[20:16:27] <jpwhiting_> are all boots into busybox indicating a superblock issue?
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• 4707[20:16:29] <jmcnaught> tomnor: that's the GNOME software program? you can still install upgrades on the command line with apt or apt-get
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• 4709[20:16:37] <apurv> jpwhiting_, check the first answer in the answers section, and not the question
• 4710[20:17:15] <tomnor> jmcnaught: yes, Gnome. Ok, you mean like apt update and apt upgrade?
• 4711[20:17:16] <apurv> jpwhiting_, I've faced similar issue earlier on numerous occasions, it was always bad superblock for me
• 4712[20:17:31] <jpwhiting_> I see, ok
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• 4719[20:18:38] <jmcnaught> tomnor: yeah
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• 4731[20:19:17] <jpwhiting_> apurv, and, in the busybox shell there's no dumpe2fs available...
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• 4736[20:19:23] <tomnor> jmcnaught: ok... But anyway. It seems a bit un-debian to me to just prompt the user to restart
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• 4740[20:19:27] <jpwhiting_> it seems like my normal / partition isn't even mounted
• 4741[20:19:37] <jpwhiting_> which dumpe2fs comes up blank
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• 4881[20:20:50] <likcoras> Uh, how do I install go 1.8 in stretch? golang-1.8 does exist, but installing it didn't give me the 'go' executable. apt-file says that "golang-go" has /usr/bin/go, but that package depends on golang-1.7
• 4882[20:21:05] <likcoras> ANd it says that it's a metapackage anyway
• 4883[20:21:08] <apurv> jpwhiting_, use a live CD
• 4884[20:21:10] <jmcnaught> tomnor: it's a new feature made available in the new systemd in stretch that boots into a minimal environment to install upgrades. replaced-url
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• 4886[20:21:18] <jpwhiting_> apurv, k, fun stuff...
• 4887[20:21:19] <jpwhiting_> thanks
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• 4895[20:21:35] <greycat> ,v golang
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• 4897[20:21:37] <judd> Package: golang on amd64 -- wheezy: 2:1.0.2-1.1; wheezy-backports: 2:1.3.3-1~bpo70+1; jessie: 2:1.3.3-1; jessie-backports: 2:1.5.1-4~bpo8+1; jessie-backports: 2:1.7~5~bpo8+1; sid: 2:1.7~5; stretch: 2:1.7~5; buster: 2:1.7~5; experimental: 2:1.8~2
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• 4899[20:21:38] <jmcnaught> actually the man page that link links too is probably better
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• 4901[20:21:44] <tomnor> jmcnaught: Thanks for info and the link
• 4902[20:21:44] <apurv> jpwhiting_, I hope you're having a live CD around
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• 4909[20:22:06] <jpwhiting_> apurv, yeah, I have a few, they are old though, will try with a live usb instead, since I have many newer isos around
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• 4916[20:22:27] <likcoras> I looked around, golang-1.8-go installs binaries into /usr/lib/go-1.8/bin, but that's not in my PATH.
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