• 0[00:00:06] <|subz3r0|> no
• 1[00:00:09] <cgt> If you like your jessie, you can keep it
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• 3[00:00:10] <|subz3r0|> day changed...
• 4[00:00:11] <|subz3r0|> :(
• 5[00:00:13] <glycol> Horachi: also make sure it's not "stable"
• 6[00:00:19] <Fallenour1> sudo apt-get -t jessie-backports install mysql-server python-pymysql
• 7[00:00:20] <babilen> Horachi: That's perfectly fine then. As long as you don't have "stable" in there the reference will refer to jessie only
• 8[00:00:26] <Fallenour1> That is the full command jelly
• 9[00:00:33] <glycol> babilen: really?
• 10[00:00:39] <Fallenour1> Reading package lists... Done
• 11[00:00:40] <Fallenour1> E: The value 'jessie-backports' is invalid for APT::Default-Release as such a release is not available in the sources
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• 13[00:00:41] <glycol> oh i misread
• 14[00:00:42] <Fallenour1> full output
• 15[00:01:04] <jelly> Fallenour1: that makes more sense
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• 18[00:01:20] <jelly> and is quite a bit different from "command line option -t not found"
• 19[00:01:23] <Fallenour1> ideas? it worked just fine on my compute node
• 20[00:01:24] <BAKALAKVA> HI
• 21[00:01:40] <BAKALAKVA> WHEN IS DEBIAN 9 COMING OUT? TODAY??? THANKS!
• 22[00:01:48] <jelly> BAKALAKVA: stop yelling
• 23[00:02:01] <jelly> probably today, maybe tomorrow
• 24[00:02:08] <Horachi> nothing in there referencing stable. just jessie. I guess I am fine then?
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• 26[00:02:23] <jelly> Fallenour1: pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy"
• 27[00:02:36] <Urchin[emacs]> relevant bash.org: replaced-url
• 28[00:02:38] <cgt> Fallenour1: Did you put backports in your sources.list?
• 29[00:02:50] <Fallenour1> cgt: Yeap.
• 30[00:03:04] <jelly> Fallenour1: did you run "apt-get update" after adding it?
• 31[00:03:09] <BAKALAKVA> who knows when it will be today? i want to dl it asap
• 32[00:03:19] <Fallenour1> cgt: Yeap.
• 33[00:03:19] <jelly> BAKALAKVA: when it's ready
• 34[00:03:24] <madditronic> I'
• 35[00:03:25] <BAKALAKVA> hi
• 36[00:03:26] <Fallenour1> jelly: I just noticed how fail I am
• 37[00:03:29] <madditronic> I'm looking forward to seeing all the peers on bittorrent
• 38[00:03:53] <BAKALAKVA> i will keep refreshing dl page ok?
• 39[00:03:58] <jelly> Fallenour1: you wouldn't believe how often this happens
• 40[00:03:59] <webuser5224> So, no one knows how to verify those downloads?
• 41[00:04:01] <webuser5224> :(
• 42[00:04:06] <Fallenour1> jelly: I am learning though. I was able to read from the apt-cache that jessie-backports wasnt included
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• 44[00:04:53] <jelly> webuser5224: what downloads precisely?
• 45[00:04:53] <bub_> hehe Urchin[emacs], nice one
• 46[00:05:12] <webuser5224> replaced-url
• 47[00:05:34] <webuser5224> I just remember that I had additional files somewhere when I downloaded the stable installer a while ago
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• 49[00:05:41] <jelly> webuser5224: ok, and where did you click next?
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• 51[00:06:09] <Fallenour1> and boom goes the debain
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• 53[00:06:24] <webuser5224> Seems the CD ones have those files
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• 55[00:06:39] <webuser5224> The netinstall ones do not - maybe I'm just expecting something that is not meant to be there
• 56[00:06:46] <Fallenour1> of my existance that is. kidding, worked like a charm jelly, onward to openstack. I swear imma make a distro of debian after all this and name it after you
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• 58[00:06:54] <jelly> webuser5224: typically the signed checksum files are in the same directory on http where the .iso download is
• 59[00:07:06] <webuser5224> replaced-url
• 60[00:07:09] <webuser5224> I think here they are
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• 62[00:07:29] <webuser5224> Ah, the other links are just direct links to the files
• 63[00:07:33] <webuser5224> Now I understand
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• 65[00:08:03] <jelly> I guess when you're dealing with devel images you're kind of supposed to know where stuff is
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• 99[00:21:28] <johnjay> jelly: well i routinely track testing so maybe that's why I haven't realized the benefits of that
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• 101[00:21:40] <GTAXL> Can I update my apt sources.list and upgrade to stretch yet? or what's the deal?
• 102[00:22:54] <johnjay> GTAXL: what's the deal with this airline food amirite?
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• 105[00:23:34] <GTAXL> I just haven't seen any news article on debian's site listing what to do yet. And the bot on here appears to act like I gotta install a fresh image
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• 108[00:23:56] <GTAXL> I assume I just replace the jessie with stretch at the end on each apt-source
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• 113[00:28:33] <johnjay> hmm. installing a few debs is safer than adding a foreign repo to /etc/apt/sources.list right?
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• 117[00:28:57] <GTAXL> how's it foreign if it's ftp.us.debian.org?
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• 119[00:29:14] <madditronic> ftp: foreign transfer protocol
• 120[00:29:23] <|subz3r0|> omg. lol
• 121[00:29:27] <johnjay> lol good one. i meant a non debian repo
• 122[00:29:28] <GTAXL> smart..
• 123[00:29:46] <GTAXL> When I upgraded to jessie a couple years back it was via apt..
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• 125[00:29:57] <GTAXL> I just had to update the source list
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• 127[00:30:40] <ryouma> will there likely be any changes to the installation documentation, the install iso, or the upgrade repos for stretch in the next few weeks due to the unwashed masses upgrading and installing stretch and discovering bugs or glitches or documentation ambiguities?
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• 129[00:31:26] <GTAXL> Something along the lines of dist-upgrade if I can remember
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• 135[00:33:35] <Somelauw> Does ETA Debian Stretch in /topic need to be updated?
• 136[00:34:06] <JPT> Probably not
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• 141[00:34:19] <JPT> Technically, that date is still correct?
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• 147[00:34:48] <ryouma> tz not shown
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• 149[00:34:57] <ryouma> so there is time
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• 162[00:35:55] <Somelauw> it's already 18th June here, but north america is probably still at 16:00 or something
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• 168[00:36:19] <madditronic> 3:30 on the west coast of USA
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• 173[00:36:37] <madditronic> err, 15:30 I guess
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• 185[00:37:46] <Somelauw> then i was pretty close. of course i know the minutes should be the same everywhere
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• 261[00:41:14] <silverhom> mhm ._.
• 262[00:41:21] <sondr3_> why does this keep happening on #debian? :P
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• 264[00:41:23] <ewew> !ops mass spam
• 265[00:41:24] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: ewew complains about: mass spam
• 266[00:41:26] <ripdog> any mods in here?
• 267[00:41:30] <kupi> so many bots...
• 268[00:41:33] <Canucktux_> reee get of my channel
• 269[00:41:33] <Nik05> they are already banned
• 270[00:41:44] <madditronic> huh.
• 271[00:41:51] <kupi> sondr3_: because too many people know Debian
• 272[00:41:58] <ryouma> 15:37 <Somelauw> then i was pretty close. of course i know the minutes should be the same everywhere -- just to be picky replaced-url
• 273[00:41:58] <mel00010> he took the time to generate a long vanity onion though...
• 274[00:42:04] <mel00010> that takes work
• 275[00:42:06] <mel00010> just to spam
• 276[00:42:08] <velix> Those guys will NOT be bundled with Debian 9 ;)
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• 278[00:42:12] <mel00010> lol
• 279[00:42:20] <bedah> lol little botspam
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• 281[00:42:38] <N3X15> That wasn't too bad, I didn't even crash.
• 282[00:42:42] <ChunkzZ> It's the 18th where Debian are located
• 283[00:42:44] <dysfigured> "oh hey i was spammed on an irc channel to join an onion irc network, i should totally join that" said no one ever
• 284[00:42:48] <Somelauw> what is a vanity onion?
• 285[00:42:53] <ralpheeee> where are the lead developers from...i thought Germany ...but thats just wild speculation on my behalf
• 286[00:42:58] <Somelauw> you seem impressed by that
• 287[00:43:01] <johnjay> jelly: i'll give you an example. I just tried installing a deb file for my irc client which failed
• 288[00:43:13] <mel00010> you can brute force generating .onion domains to get one that spells out something you want
• 289[00:43:18] <phogg> so spambot in here today
• 290[00:43:22] <mel00010> normally, they are totally random
• 291[00:43:27] <Asoka> debian is a german project
• 292[00:43:27] <johnjay> so instead of adding their repo to my sources.list, I juse used ldd to figure out what shared library was failing and then did an ln -s and dpkg --force-depends
• 293[00:43:31] <leachim6> well that was a lovely spam hilight
• 294[00:43:50] <Plushwolf> Asoka: since when?
• 295[00:43:57] <N3X15> mel00010, well, they had 10 zombies, so it probably made each node try generating them
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• 297[00:44:06] <ChunkzZ> replaced-url
• 298[00:44:25] <jim> johnjay, wow... hope it works out, but you may not have a debian packaging system anymore
• 299[00:44:30] <mel00010> N3X15: maybe. Long vanity strings take exponentially longer to generate though.
• 300[00:44:31] <jim> up to you I guess
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• 302[00:44:55] <leachim6> don't break debian
• 303[00:44:57] <leachim6> plz
• 304[00:45:01] <N3X15> mel00010, again, just like bitcoin mining, they just slap on more nodes. *shrugs, goes back to coding*
• 305[00:45:06] <ChunkzZ> It's the 18th lol so the topic needs updating
• 306[00:45:18] <dax> timezones how do they work
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• 308[00:45:25] <jim> that';s tomorrow
• 309[00:45:28] <leachim6> dax: like magnets
• 310[00:45:39] <Plushwolf> Yes, they only look at their loving timezone of USA .. USA == The whole world, you know?
• 311[00:45:42] <leachim6> I didn't realize stretch was so close to release, nice
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• 314[00:45:51] <leachim6> probably gonna stay on deb8 for another year
• 315[00:45:51] <ChunkzZ> dax: it's the 18th where Debian is located
• 316[00:45:58] <madditronic> Debian is everywhere
• 317[00:45:59] <dax> ChunkzZ: debian isn't "located" anywhere
• 318[00:46:03] <dax> it has developers world-wide
• 319[00:46:13] <johnjay> jim: well it's not very pretty. but i was using it as an illustration of the complexity of managing a single debian install
• 320[00:46:16] <leachim6> what if I told you...opensource is *everywhere*
• 321[00:46:24] <ChunkzZ> Time stamps on replaced-url
• 322[00:46:26] <jim> Plushwolf, did the release announcement include a time and time zone?
• 323[00:46:31] <johnjay> i have a working program but now apt-get might not update that package later. not sure
• 324[00:46:47] <Plushwolf> jim: many users tole me that they only focus on the USA timezone last time
• 325[00:46:50] <Plushwolf> *told
• 326[00:46:59] <jim> exactly, so your package db might not be happy atm
• 327[00:47:00] <dax> ChunkzZ: I'm sorry are you under the impression that that means anything
• 328[00:47:34] <ryouma> will there be any difference (e.g. higher probability of a successful upgrade and booting) between upgrading now and upgrading in say 3w?
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• 330[00:47:53] <Plushwolf> But anyway, I'm about to leave you: lack of security support (webkit gtk for example), and crappy decisions without explaining why
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• 332[00:48:30] <leachim6> Plushwolf: replaced-url
• 333[00:48:32] <Plushwolf> It's just my opinion, don't get it personal please
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• 335[00:49:01] <Plushwolf> leachim6: no gif for me
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• 338[00:50:13] <leachim6> k
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• 341[00:51:26] <ryouma> Plushwolf: for stable?
• 342[00:51:44] <ryouma> stable seems to get tons of updates, but it's not enough for you?
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• 344[00:52:20] <Plushwolf> ryouma: Are you updating webkit gtk? I have never seen any updates for it
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• 346[00:52:41] <Plushwolf> And it's very known for having tons of security issues
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• 349[00:53:16] <ChunkzZ> Why are you here Plushwolf ?
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• 351[00:53:29] <Plushwolf> ChunkzZ: It's not forbidden to be here
• 352[00:53:41] <madditronic> hey hey be friends
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• 354[00:53:48] <ChunkzZ> Just curious, that's all
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• 356[00:54:01] <ryouma> Plushwolf: dunno, sounds like a backend to a browser taht is not firefox-esr or chromium?
• 357[00:54:04] <random_numbers> Shame I'm not the kind to already own a botnet. I'd connect a few million clients.
• 358[00:54:31] <Plushwolf> ChunkzZ: Debian isn't bad, for for me, personally, it is, it doesn't fit my needs, but I'm happy if others are happy about it. Let's not make my opinions and decisions for everyone.
• 359[00:54:39] <Plushwolf> ryouma: yes
• 360[00:54:44] <Plushwolf> *but for me
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• 362[00:55:06] <ChunkzZ> You're in a Debian channel though?
• 363[00:55:13] <Plushwolf> And?
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• 366[00:55:43] <ChunkzZ> Why if you're slagging it off?
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• 368[00:56:24] <Plushwolf> ChunkzZ: Do you ever read my personal concerns I've already told here?
• 369[00:56:38] <ChunkzZ> Sure...
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• 372[00:57:11] <ryouma> i'm ok with suggestions for improvement being stated
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• 374[00:57:43] <ChunkzZ> Me too, I was just curious.
• 375[00:57:51] <Plushwolf> ryouma: Update webkit? :D
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• 377[00:58:09] <ChunkzZ> I'm only in channels I like that's why I asked.
• 378[00:58:23] <ChunkzZ> :)
• 379[00:58:28] <TomTomTosch> only uninportant issues in webkitgtk. replaced-url
• 380[00:58:29] <Plushwolf> ChunkzZ: I also like this channel
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• 383[00:59:00] *** debhelper sets mode: +l 1723
• 384[00:59:18] <ralpheeee> wondering if i should grab the multi arch iso ....is it straight forward to update later down the line?
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• 387[01:00:13] <Somelauw> Debian testing is not that unstable?
• 388[01:00:14] <Nh3xus> dayum son
• 389[01:00:37] <ryouma> others can answer better, but testing might have issues with transitions and security support
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• 391[01:00:40] <madditronic> What's going to happen when they run out of toy story characters?
• 392[01:00:50] <jim> especially now, one day before release
• 393[01:00:58] <Nik05> madditronic make a new toy story film
• 394[01:01:00] <jim> make another movie?
• 395[01:01:12] <ryouma> (in my case, i am quite pleased with and grateful for debian except for: the complexity and bugginess of booting, lack of priority given to accessibility, the occasional bug that does not get fixed even if it is trivial (weather(1)), and the relative lack of attention to backports to keep common things fresh throughout the release cycle. i doubt any other distro meets my needs better. i'm sticking with debian.)
• 396[01:01:23] <jim> start on monsters inc chars?
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• 399[01:01:52] <ryouma> hehe great reason to make a movie
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• 402[01:02:26] <Nik05> There is a Toy Story 4 coming
• 403[01:02:30] <Nik05> in 2019
• 404[01:02:48] <jim> just in time for jessie+2
• 405[01:03:01] <ChunkzZ> :p
• 406[01:03:04] <Nik05> I still need to watch TS2 and 3...
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• 408[01:03:08] <madditronic> oh! very good
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• 410[01:03:14] <Nik05> No idea who jessie is
• 411[01:03:20] <Plushwol1> Nik05: The cowboy girl
• 412[01:03:24] <dvs> TS2
• 413[01:03:25] <Nik05> or stretch
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• 415[01:03:31] <KANGZZZ> stretch is the octopus
• 416[01:03:35] <Somelauw> ryouma: i agree that i sometimes don't like trivial bugs not getting fixed in stable
• 417[01:03:37] <jim> the accordion thing
• 418[01:03:40] <dvs> Nik05, Stretch Armstrong
• 419[01:03:50] <jim> or wait, the slinky thing
• 420[01:03:52] <dvs> ???
• 421[01:03:55] <Nik05> Like I said I should watch TS2 and TS3 :P
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• 432[01:06:01] <tw> accessibility is a ton of work =| Maybe it's easier in GTK+, but in win32/COM it can be a pain.
• 433[01:06:08] <Somelauw> maybe that's why i may want to use testing again after stretch is released at the risk of no security support and transitions (that means config files breaking more often?)
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• 446[01:09:05] <ryouma> Somelauw: it means everything breaking in principle
• 447[01:09:06] <jim> Stretch is a toy rubber octopus with sticky suckers on her eight long arms and a glittery, purple body.
• 448[01:09:21] <ryouma> Somelauw: libc etc.
• 449[01:10:07] <Somelauw> uhm, breaking libc is probably not a very good idea
• 450[01:10:21] <Somelauw> please don't
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• 457[01:12:55] <Somelauw> i mean include newer stuff like firefox-release and newer version of libreoffice, eclipse etc, but don't break libc
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• 459[01:13:51] <ryouma> well, that would be perfect for stable, using backports
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• 461[01:15:36] <KANGZZZ> try fedora
• 462[01:15:49] <madditronic> m'distro
• 463[01:15:50] <Somelauw> but backports isn't really complete and requests for backports to work around minor bugs are refused
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• 465[01:16:19] <Somelauw> fedora doesn't include non-free drivers, which i unfortunately need
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• 469[01:16:58] <ryouma> Somelauw: right, so that would need to change
• 470[01:17:36] <KANGZZZ> why not Ubuntu LTS or Mint then?
• 471[01:17:44] <likcoras> Just curious, what would be the best way to look up changes in individual applications between jessie and stretch? changelogs are in /usr/share/doc, but how could I easily look up which version used to be in in jessie?
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• 481[01:19:04] <likcoras> Ah, there's no way to do it offline?
• 482[01:19:09] <likcoras> Oh well, I guess that's fine.
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• 487[01:21:26] <TomTomTosch> offline, no. if you mean locally on your machine you can use rmadison from devscripts.
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• 770[01:24:02] <Plushwol1>
• 771[01:24:03] <Jacob843> Wow
• 772[01:24:03] <Nik05> wow that was a lot
• 773[01:24:04] <Introoter> jeez
• 774[01:24:05] <Somelauw> i thought they were already banned
• 775[01:24:05] <r00t> Holy shit
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• 777[01:24:07] <mel00010> Damn
• 778[01:24:07] <mint> lol
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• 780[01:24:12] <TomTomTosch> likcoras: offline, no. if you mean locally on your machine you can use rmadison from devscripts.
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• 782[01:24:46] <Nik05> Somelauw looks like they have access to some more ips
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• 784[01:24:55] <velix> Nik05: botnet?
• 785[01:25:06] <ghost43> are these IPs even getting banned?
• 786[01:25:15] <Dr_who[Work]_> they do that on ausnet sometime
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• 788[01:25:23] <grumble> ghost43: when you see 'Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.))': Yes, they ae.
• 789[01:25:33] <Cronus> ghost43 im personally submitting them to a dnsbl
• 790[01:25:34] <ghost43> oh ok
• 791[01:25:34] <Plushwol1> grumble: They are only temporarily banned
• 792[01:25:46] <TomTomTosch> ##comment-on-spam is somewhere else.
• 793[01:25:51] <grumble> Plushwol1: let me assure you we're taking the appropriate measures :)
• 794[01:25:58] <likcoras> TomTomTosch: ah, alright. That's useful.
• 795[01:26:03] <Somelauw> KANGZZZ: they are probably fine distros. I might try a Ubuntu 2017-4 sometime. I don't like some of their defaults. For example, that they use a graphical boot instead of a textual one, which feels to me like dumbing it down.
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• 797[01:26:28] <Plushwol1> I already got some kills by Sygin ... by not using a pastebin lol
• 798[01:26:32] <Plushwol1> And got unbanned after some hours
• 799[01:26:59] <ghost43> this same type of spam happens all the time also on #tor (OFTC) and the bans are a lot more transparent in the log there, but nvm, not like it matters if they ARE getting banned
• 800[01:27:08] <KANGZZZ> Somelauw, yeah depending on the machine, I use debian, fedora, mint, or ubuntu
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• 805[01:27:34] <KANGZZZ> all 4 work fine. I find debian is a pain on my main desktop machines because old packages but on server it runs like a dream
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• 810[01:28:03] <Nik05> KANGZZZ you could run sid
• 811[01:28:12] <Bock> Let me further assure you that grumble is taking appropriate measures in the grumpiest manner possible.
• 812[01:28:18] <Plushwol1> You better use testing instead of sid
• 813[01:28:28] <KANGZZZ> I don't like testing/unstable
• 814[01:28:44] <Nik05> Plushwol1 no, testing lacks security support and is more unstable than sid with transitions
• 815[01:28:45] <mel00010> Nik05: Lol. One of them has telnet open.
• 816[01:28:55] <N3X15> Don't scan the bots
• 817[01:29:00] <mel00010> Why?
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• 820[01:29:06] <N3X15> Can be illegal
• 821[01:29:21] <Plushwol1> It would count is port scanning without permission
• 822[01:29:24] <Plushwol1> *as
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• 824[01:29:44] <mel00010> How is Shodan legal then?
• 825[01:30:07] <N3X15> because it's a fictional computer system
• 826[01:30:09] <Plushwol1> The tools aren't illegal, it's only illegal if you scan hosts without the permission of the owner(s)
• 827[01:30:15] <N3X15> and ^
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• 829[01:30:29] <yaymuffins> beside
• 830[01:30:34] <grumble> actually the legality of scanning without permission heavily depends on your local laws
• 831[01:30:44] <Plushwol1> Yes
• 832[01:30:45] <mel00010> Not what I meant. I was referring this: replaced-url
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• 834[01:30:51] <grumble> in some places it's perfectly fine to do so, but most ISPs will grumble at you
• 835[01:30:57] <yaymuffins> the law isn't the same for everyone
• 836[01:31:11] <mel00010> Ok.
• 837[01:31:18] <Plushwol1> In my country it's illegal if I don't have a signed permission on a letter :D
• 838[01:31:25] <madditronic> I have a liscense to kill -9 myself
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• 840[01:31:43] <N3X15> It's better to just say no instead of referring someone to their local laws
• 841[01:31:50] <Plushwol1> Yes
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• 843[01:32:05] <Nik05> Port scanning is like ringing someone's doorbell. It isnt entering without permission
• 844[01:32:05] <N3X15> Plus, retaliation begets retaliation
• 845[01:32:15] <Plushwol1> We're also nt allowed to decide what's allowed and what not, you better ask your lawyer/government/... instead of us
• 846[01:32:40] <Plushwol1> *not
• 847[01:32:46] <Waxhead> Did I miss something or wasn't stretch supposed to be released yesterday?
• 848[01:32:53] <N3X15> Timezones
• 849[01:32:54] <Plushwol1> Waxhead: It was
• 850[01:33:02] <Artemis3> i wonder what will you do when running open source software becomes illegal in some places.
• 851[01:33:14] <Plushwol1> N3X15: Most countried already have 18th I guess
• 852[01:33:21] <Plushwol1> *countries
• 853[01:33:21] <Nik05> N3X15 without timezone information, lets use the standard timezone
• 854[01:33:23] <Waxhead> Plushwol1: it is? wow.... gmt+1 here... 18th of june and no update on the website
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• 856[01:34:04] <ber532k> there's still a lot going on in #debian-iso right now
• 857[01:34:04] <Plushwol1> Next time the debian Team should give us a date with the timezone inclded, the best would be UTC+0
• 858[01:34:10] <Plushwol1> UTC is the world wide standard
• 859[01:34:32] <Artemis3> Greenwich agrees
• 860[01:34:32] <ber532k> *#debian-cd, sry
• 861[01:34:33] <Waxhead> Plushwol1: alrighty , so I guess I just have to wait about two hours then
• 862[01:34:36] <Nik05> Americans only know american standards :P
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• 864[01:34:42] <Plushwol1> Nik05: lol
• 865[01:35:17] <Plushwol1> Waxhead: I think so
• 866[01:35:25] <yaymuffins> Artemis3, well, one can choose to follow as law as stupid or not, but my one and only advice would be to don't say a thing x)
• 867[01:35:29] <Somelauw> Nik05: what do you mean by transitions? Manual updating config files?
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• 869[01:35:39] <Plushwol1> 18.06.2017 01:35 here
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• 872[01:36:29] <Plushwol1> GMT+2
• 873[01:36:36] <kion42> Congratulations to the Debian devs!!! thank you for your work
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• 875[01:36:59] <secris> shoot I forgot about the release party
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• 877[01:37:18] <Plushwolf> free cake for everyone?
• 878[01:37:28] <Plushwolf> Or is the cake still a lie?
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• 883[01:39:20] <kion> I have been running Debian Stretch for some months, now that it is the Stable release, can I add the backports entries in my sources.list?
• 884[01:39:33] <Plushwolf> There aren't any backports yet
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• 887[01:40:12] <kion> Plushwolf, But they will start now right?
• 888[01:40:13] <Nik05> kion just wait a few days, its not like there are any backports
• 889[01:40:31] <kion> Nik05, yes, I was just wondering
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• 891[01:40:34] <Plushwolf> kion: I think so, it might be weeks
• 892[01:41:16] <Plushwolf> no 9.0 iso yet?
• 893[01:41:16] <Plushwolf> :(
• 894[01:41:21] <Somelauw> is this the time i should type apt-get update?
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• 897[01:42:29] <kion> Somelauw, apt-get update does not upgrade your OS to the next release unless you have changed your sources.list, but I will let the more knowledgeable jump in
• 898[01:42:30] <RattusRattus> Plushwolf: no not yet still building...
• 899[01:42:35] * Plushwolf sets herself on fire
• 900[01:42:58] <KungFuChao> what version of gc++ does stretch have?
• 901[01:43:08] <Lyberta> KungFuChao, 6.3.0
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• 903[01:43:27] <RattusRattus> kion: Somelauw and good to wait for release process to finish before trying to do updates.....
• 904[01:43:30] <Plushwolf> ,dpkg gcc
• 905[01:43:32] <Plushwolf> !dpkg gcc
• 906[01:43:33] <dpkg> The GNU Compiler Collection (GCC) is a compiler system supporting various programming languages. In order to change which version it should use, "export CC=gcc-$whatever", as /usr/bin symlinks (gcc, g++, et al) are not handled using Debian <alternatives>; see /usr/share/doc/gcc/README.Debian. See also <gcc-doc>. replaced-url
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• 908[01:43:40] <Plushwolf> !dpkg gcc version
• 909[01:43:41] <Plushwolf> !dpkg gcc versions
• 910[01:43:43] <Plushwolf> ?
• 911[01:44:01] <kion> RattusRattus, good thinking, I will
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• 915[01:44:35] <Nik05> ,v gcc
• 916[01:44:36] <judd> Package: gcc on amd64 -- wheezy: 4:4.7.2-1; jessie: 4:4.9.2-2; sid: 4:6.3.0-4; stretch: 4:6.3.0-4; experimental: 4:7.1.0-0
• 917[01:44:42] <Somelauw> will the non-free iso's be released at the same time?
• 918[01:44:44] <Plushwolf> Oh, just ,v
• 919[01:44:44] <Plushwolf> :D
• 920[01:44:59] <Plushwolf> ,v gogsio
• 921[01:45:00] <judd> No package named 'gogsio' was found in amd64.
• 922[01:45:04] <Plushwolf> ,v gitlab
• 923[01:45:05] <judd> Package: gitlab on amd64 -- sid: 8.13.11+dfsg1-8; stretch: 8.13.11+dfsg1-8
• 924[01:45:06] <Somelauw> i'll try installing a fresh iso on a new computer tomorrow sometime
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• 930[01:46:04] <Plushwolf> ,v gogs.io
• 931[01:46:05] <judd> No package named 'gogs.io' was found in amd64.
• 932[01:46:07] <Plushwolf> :(
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• 934[01:46:45] <Plushwolf> Nik05: What does the 4: mean at the gcc version number?
• 935[01:46:53] <Somelauw> ,v qutebrowser
• 936[01:46:54] <judd> No package named 'qutebrowser' was found in amd64.
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• 942[01:47:19] <Nik05> Plushwolf which package?
• 943[01:47:28] <Plushwolf> Nik05: gcc for example (see above)
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• 945[01:47:38] <Plushwolf> 4:6.3.0-4
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• 951[01:48:37] <Nik05> Plushwolf see 5.6.12 replaced-url
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• 953[01:48:51] <Plushwolf> Thank you
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• 958[01:49:34] <Nik05> If you mess something up with version numbering you can increase the epoch, looks really nice... :P
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• 960[01:50:07] <Plushwolf> lol
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• 964[01:51:25] <KungFuChao> what about the version of the package that maintains the C++ code
• 965[01:51:31] <KungFuChao> I forgot the name of it
• 966[01:51:51] <KungFuChao> it was 2.16 in jessie
• 967[01:51:51] <Lyberta> KungFuChao, gcc, g++ 6.3.0
• 968[01:52:00] <Nik05> I have no idea how it works for the packages gcc. Because it's source is gcc-defaults which is at version 1.168
• 969[01:52:06] <sidetracking> gcc is the best piece of software EVER MADE!!
• 970[01:52:09] <Plushwolf> ,v linux-image-amd64-xen
• 971[01:52:10] <judd> No package named 'linux-image-amd64-xen' was found in amd64.
• 972[01:52:13] <Plushwolf> ,v linux-image-xen
• 973[01:52:15] <judd> No package named 'linux-image-xen' was found in amd64.
• 974[01:52:29] <Plushwolf> ,v xen-hypervisor-amd64
• 975[01:52:30] <judd> No package named 'xen-hypervisor-amd64' was found in amd64.
• 976[01:52:32] <Plushwolf> ,v xen-hypervisor
• 977[01:52:34] <judd> No package named 'xen-hypervisor' was found in amd64.
• 978[01:52:37] <Plushwolf> wut
• 979[01:52:39] <KungFuChao> it's not gcc
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• 981[01:52:57] <Nik05> Plushwolf ,v needs the full name
• 982[01:53:03] <KungFuChao> it's what C++ runs on
• 983[01:53:12] <KungFuChao> I forgot the name
• 984[01:53:23] <madditronic> hopes and dreams?
• 985[01:53:25] <Plushwolf> Nik05: I know, I just forgot the package name :(
• 986[01:53:40] <Nik05> KungFuChao libstdc++ ?
• 987[01:53:48] <Plushwolf> ,v xen-linux-system-amd64
• 988[01:53:50] <judd> Package: xen-linux-system-amd64 on amd64 -- wheezy: 3.2+46; wheezy-backports: 3.16+63~bpo70+1; jessie: 3.16+63; jessie-backports: 4.9+80~bpo8+1; sid: 4.9+80; stretch: 4.9+80
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• 990[01:54:16] <Plushwolf> ,v xen-hypervisor
• 991[01:54:17] <judd> No package named 'xen-hypervisor' was found in amd64.
• 992[01:54:27] <Plushwolf> I just want to know the Xen version
• 993[01:54:27] <Plushwolf> :(
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• 995[01:54:46] <max_nl> Where is debian 9?
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• 997[01:54:53] <Nik05> the same spammers are now spamming #debian on OFTC -_-
• 998[01:55:06] <Nik05> max_nl Debian 9 is called Stretch
• 999[01:55:08] <Plushwolf> ,v xen-hypervisor-amd64
• 1000[01:55:09] <judd> No package named 'xen-hypervisor-amd64' was found in amd64.
• 1001[01:55:12] <Plushwolf> Grrr!
• 1002[01:55:38] <KungFuChao> it's the package needed to actually run C++ programs
• 1003[01:55:44] <KANGZZZ> max_nl, the ISO images are being tested but there is a release candidate 5: replaced-url
• 1004[01:55:49] <KungFuChao> like Steam
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• 1007[01:56:11] <Plushwolf> ,v xen-utils
• 1008[01:56:12] <judd> No package named 'xen-utils' was found in amd64.
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• 1010[01:56:20] <Plushwolf> This can only be a joke ..
• 1011[01:56:36] <Nik05> Plushwolf you can also talk to the bot directly
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• 1013[01:56:50] <Plushwolf> Nik05: Query?
• 1014[01:56:52] <Nik05> yes
• 1015[01:57:04] <max_nl> Is RC5 comparable to an actual Debian install source?
• 1016[01:57:11] <Plushwolf> Oh, I found it now
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• 1018[01:57:12] <Plushwolf> en 4.8
• 1019[01:57:15] <Plushwolf> *Xen 4.8
• 1020[01:57:39] <Nik05> not 4.7?
• 1021[01:58:00] <Plushwolf> ,v xen-hypervisor-4.8-amd64
• 1022[01:58:01] <judd> Package: xen-hypervisor-4.8-amd64 on amd64 -- sid: 4.8.1-1+deb9u1; stretch: 4.8.1-1+deb9u1
• 1023[01:58:03] <Plushwolf> ,v xen-hypervisor-4.7-amd64
• 1024[01:58:04] <judd> No package named 'xen-hypervisor-4.7-amd64' was found in amd64.
• 1025[01:58:34] <Plushwolf> 4.8
• 1026[01:58:52] <nurupo> Plushwolf: replaced-url
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• 1028[01:59:02] <Plushwolf> nurupo: already found
• 1029[01:59:02] <Nik05> Plushwolf you can also use packages.debian.org to search stretch
• 1030[01:59:10] <Plushwolf> Nik05: I did that now
• 1031[01:59:22] <nurupo> yeah, you don't have to spam the channel with bot commands
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• 1033[01:59:30] <nurupo> Plushwolf: so use the website the next time
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• 1035[01:59:32] <Plushwolf> Yes
• 1036[01:59:34] <RattusRattus> replaced-url
• 1037[01:59:36] <Plushwolf> I'm sorry if I was spaming
• 1038[01:59:54] <Plushwolf> Won't happen again, I promise
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• 1046[02:02:01] <ber532k> You could also \msg judd
• 1047[02:02:22] <ber532k> at least he talks to me and it doesn't seem to show up here
• 1048[02:02:31] <Nik05> !judd
• 1049[02:02:31] <dpkg> judd is a window into the Ultimate Debian Database (ask me about <udd>). Judd can look up package, PCI ID and kernel config information. See replaced-url
• 1050[02:02:32] <Nik05> :P
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• 1052[02:02:47] <Nik05> maybe that was not the correct one
• 1053[02:03:03] <Plushwolf> !kill -9 judd
• 1054[02:03:03] * dpkg mangles -9 judd with a free AOL CD
• 1055[02:03:07] <Plushwolf> lol
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• 1058[02:03:27] <Plushwolf> I though the command doesn't exist
• 1059[02:03:28] <Plushwolf> :D
• 1060[02:03:28] <ber532k> for not spamming the channel, that is
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• 1063[02:04:21] <ber532k> still seems some convenient way of getting version-info
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• 1065[02:05:05] <Aebian> does anyone remember the channelinfo command here on freenode? Can't find someting on google :|
• 1066[02:05:24] <Plushwolf> Aebian: /msg chanserv info #channel
• 1067[02:05:42] <Aebian> thx
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• 1070[02:06:58] <KungFuChao> fuck, this question is annoying me
• 1071[02:07:22] <abrotman> build-essential ?
• 1072[02:07:25] <Plushwolf> KungFuChao: ?
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• 1074[02:07:34] <Limebyte> WOT
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• 1076[02:07:38] <Limebyte> 9 Release when?
• 1077[02:07:43] <Limebyte> Today?
• 1078[02:07:46] <Limebyte> as planned or delayed?
• 1079[02:07:47] <Plushwolf> Limebyte: When it's built
• 1080[02:07:50] <Limebyte> wow
• 1081[02:07:51] <Limebyte> prem
• 1082[02:07:55] <madditronic> This is like a party without cake
• 1083[02:07:57] <Limebyte> good build needs time
• 1084[02:08:00] <Limebyte> yea
• 1085[02:08:03] <Plushwolf> madditronic: The cake is a lie
• 1086[02:08:04] <ber532k> \msg dpkg !judd
• 1087[02:08:06] <Limebyte> so build is in process?
• 1088[02:08:07] <KungFuChao> and I can't find the page on the debian site with the package version numbers
• 1089[02:08:08] <Limebyte> progress
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• 1091[02:08:27] <abrotman> KungFuChao: packages.debian.org
• 1092[02:08:29] <larvallid> i have been constantly checking the website today and no changes about stretch
• 1093[02:08:45] <Plushwolf> I'm checking replaced-url
• 1094[02:08:47] <Plushwolf> still 8.8.0
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• 1096[02:09:17] <Limebyte> scam
• 1097[02:09:20] <Limebyte> I want to see 9.0
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• 1099[02:09:35] <Plushwolf> Limebyte: clean install or upgrade?
• 1100[02:09:42] <Plushwolf> For upgrade you can already get 9.0
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• 1102[02:09:49] <Limebyte> well
• 1103[02:09:54] <Limebyte> I just wanna see it
• 1104[02:09:57] <Limebyte> then maybe
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• 1106[02:10:07] <abrotman> see it?
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• 1108[02:10:25] <Limebyte> No
• 1109[02:10:28] <Limebyte> still 8.8.0
• 1110[02:10:30] <Limebyte> as you said
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• 1112[02:10:31] <Limebyte> scam
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• 1117[02:11:44] <Plushwolf> Limebyte: I guess you have to wait then
• 1118[02:11:54] <abrotman> probably best to not feed the trolls
• 1119[02:12:12] <Plushwolf> abrotman: It's not trolling for me, he's just inpatience
• 1120[02:12:13] <Limebyte> yea
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• 1122[02:12:24] <Plushwolf> *inpatient
• 1123[02:12:26] <Limebyte> I only troll in Ranked Overwatch
• 1124[02:12:27] <abrotman> Plushwolf: Scam
• 1125[02:12:28] <Limebyte> obviously
• 1126[02:12:34] <Limebyte> yea I wait thx
• 1127[02:12:40] <larvallid> i have a debian 8 installation that boots from UEFI as opposed to traditional BIOS. i rebooted uncleanly a few times while doing hardware changes to test whether the system would power on. then i restored UEFI to factory settings. now the system doesn't boot up, and the hard drive does not have a UEFI entry in the boot menu. (attempting to boot in BIOS mode gives an error). i think i need to reinstall GRUB. how should i do that?
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• 1136[02:14:59] <Lyberta> larvallid, I used rEFInd iso image and booted from it, then I reinstalled grub
• 1137[02:15:24] <Lyberta> larvallid, it will find debian if it is installed
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• 1140[02:16:38] <larvallid> Lyberta, i currently have a usb flash drive with debian 9 rc5 installer, which has a rescue mode. will rEFInd be better for this task? if so, i will wipe the usb and put rEFInd on there.
• 1141[02:16:42] <likcoras> So, replaced-url
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• 1143[02:17:54] <Lyberta> larvallid, rEFInd image I used has only bootloader which will search all disks for OS'es, it can find your debian install and boot into it
• 1144[02:18:20] <likcoras> replaced-url
• 1145[02:18:22] <larvallid> Lyberta, ok
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• 1152[02:20:36] <KungFuChao> okay, the package was glibc and the version number was 2.24-11
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• 1155[02:20:53] <KungFuChao> yes, I'm that much of a dumbass
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• 1164[02:24:37] <debiantu> Pretty quiet here!
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• 1166[02:25:15] <random_numbers> Yeah
• 1167[02:25:25] <random_numbers> Many might be busy reinstalling or upgrading.
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• 1169[02:25:38] <debiantu> I'm just awaiting for the new images to be published
• 1170[02:25:39] <Plushwolf> or sleeping, or at work, or ...
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• 1172[02:25:49] <madditronic> I'm waiting for the new image, then reinstalling.
• 1173[02:25:52] <KungFuChao> because I burned them away
• 1174[02:25:55] <madditronic> --so excited--
• 1175[02:26:01] <Plushwolf> It'll be released after 0600 UTC
• 1176[02:26:17] <KungFuChao> how do you know that, Plushwolf?
• 1177[02:26:26] <Plushwolf> OFTC #debian-release
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• 1179[02:27:01] <Plushwolf> The last release generate broke
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• 1181[02:27:11] <Plushwolf> as far as I can see
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• 1183[02:27:47] <debiantu> thanks for that info Plushwolf.. been surfing the net and refreshing several different places to see if I can find an update
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• 1185[02:28:06] <debiantu> That'll be a while before Stretch is available
• 1186[02:28:31] <Plushwolf> In my country it'll be released at 08:00 AM (in 5 1/2 hours!)
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• 1189[02:28:39] <Plushwolf> If I converted UTC to my timezone correctly
• 1190[02:28:47] <random_numbers> `date -u`
• 1191[02:28:54] <debiantu> 2:00 AM for me :-(
• 1192[02:29:01] <madditronic> I'm not sleeping until debian 9
• 1193[02:29:04] <Plushwolf> lol
• 1194[02:29:05] <madditronic> damnit
• 1195[02:29:06] <random_numbers> heh
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• 1198[02:29:19] <Plushwolf> I'm ot breathing until Debian 9 is released. Deal?
• 1199[02:29:21] <Plushwolf> *not
• 1200[02:29:27] <random_numbers> lol
• 1201[02:29:29] <Aebian> madditronic: good luck on that coffee run :D
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• 1203[02:29:46] <jim> Plushwolf, sounds dangerous
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• 1206[02:30:06] <debiantu> have read that you can install 8.8 and then upgrade to Stretch which is now Stable
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• 1208[02:30:12] <debiantu> but I rather wait for the 9 release cd
• 1209[02:30:29] <Plushwolf> debiantu: What timezone are you in?
• 1210[02:30:34] <random_numbers> Aye. I did so with a VM.
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• 1212[02:30:37] <shleng_ataribox> buntu
• 1213[02:30:41] <debiantu> Eastern Standard Time
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• 1217[02:31:15] <Limebyte> DEVIAN CANOBI
• 1218[02:31:37] <Plushwolf> May the Debian be with you
• 1219[02:31:51] <Limebyte> Yea
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• 1221[02:31:54] <Aebian> EDT \o/
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• 1227[02:32:52] <Plushwolf> Time to mirror the stretch repository
• 1228[02:33:31] <Dreaman> change da repo names and update
• 1229[02:33:38] <debiantu> I plan on using Debian as a regular desktop just for web browsing and light Office work...
• 1230[02:33:44] <Dreaman> to stretch
• 1231[02:33:54] <Fallenour1> ,v nickserver
• 1232[02:33:55] <judd> No package named 'nickserver' was found in amd64.
• 1233[02:34:01] <debiantu> so what I'm thinking of doing the following items in configuring Debian
• 1234[02:34:05] <Fallenour1> oh wait, thats not part of debian lool
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• 1236[02:34:18] <Plushwolf> debiantu: Having a own mirror for my customers, I'm sure they also want stretch
• 1237[02:34:20] <debiantu> 1. setup firewall install gufw and turn on firewall
• 1238[02:34:27] <Fallenour1> hey guys how do I register/identify with a server room again?
• 1239[02:34:49] <debiantu> 2. setup hosts file from replaced-url
• 1240[02:35:07] <debiantu> 3. change umask in useradd.conf to 700 so that only "newuser" will have access to his/her own home directory - DIR_MODE=0700
• 1241[02:35:14] <Plushwolf> debiantu: What are you trying to explain us?
• 1242[02:35:38] <Fallenour1> hey guys I got this one
• 1243[02:35:43] <debiantu> stuff I'm thinking of doing in setting up my STretch install for desktop use
• 1244[02:35:58] <Plushwolf> debiantu: with KDE=
• 1245[02:35:59] <Plushwolf> ?
• 1246[02:36:01] <debiantu> 4. in Firefox - install noscript, ublock origan and Privacy Badger
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• 1248[02:36:10] <debiantu> and that's my desktop setup basically
• 1249[02:36:22] <Plushwolf> KDE? Gnome? ...?
• 1250[02:36:27] <Fallenour1> Debiantu: replaced-url
• 1251[02:36:32] <debiantu> Plan on using Mate
• 1252[02:36:37] <Fallenour1> That video shows you how to install gufw
• 1253[02:36:53] <Plushwolf> iirc stretch is using nftables
• 1254[02:37:00] <debiantu> thanks for the link Fallenour1
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• 1257[02:37:14] <debiantu> so no to gufw in stretch then?
• 1258[02:37:31] <Plushwolf> If you plan to use it feel free to
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• 1260[02:37:52] <Plushwolf> ,v nftables
• 1261[02:37:53] <judd> Package: nftables on amd64 -- jessie-backports: 0.6-1~bpo8+1; sid: 0.7-1; stretch: 0.7-1
• 1262[02:38:02] <Fallenour1> debiantu: for your hosts file, use sudo nano /etc/hosts > copy hosts data here > ctrl+X to save, enter, return to console line
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• 1264[02:38:08] <Plushwolf> no official jessie package?
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• 1266[02:38:29] <debiantu> excellent.. thx Fallenour1
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• 1269[02:38:46] <job1> @bar(input):button3@item(input_text):button3
• 1270[02:38:54] <shleng_ataribox> what does this mean when running sudo sh FILENAME: QStandardPaths: XDG_RUNTIME_DIR not set, defaulting to '/tmp/runtime-root'
• 1271[02:39:02] <Plushwolf> I really need some sleep ... Good Night everyone, and have fun with Stretch!
• 1272[02:39:10] <debiantu> night plush
• 1273[02:39:11] <madditronic> sleep tight, yo
• 1274[02:39:19] <shleng_ataribox> is stretchy out?
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• 1276[02:39:34] <KungFuChao> 6:00 UTC
• 1277[02:39:55] <Plushwolf> Stretch is finally out, but the ISOs not yet
• 1278[02:40:05] <shleng_ataribox> when
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• 1280[02:40:11] <shleng_ataribox> what is the url
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• 1282[02:40:30] <debiantu> ISOs aren't release yet.. will be released 6:00 UTC
• 1283[02:40:33] <shleng_ataribox> does it have secureboot?
• 1284[02:40:40] <Plushwolf> not yet
• 1285[02:40:48] <Plushwolf> And finally, Good Night :)
• 1286[02:40:52] <KungFuChao> and it's 12:40 UTC now
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• 1291[02:41:25] <RattusRattus> I don't know where you are getting 0600 from. I am sat in the room with the man who signs the images and neither of us have committed to a time
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• 1293[02:41:40] <shleng_ataribox> i thought it was going to have secureboot
• 1294[02:41:56] <KungFuChao> Plushwolf got it from #debian-release
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• 1296[02:42:10] <debiantu> a previous chatter said 6:00 UTC..
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• 1300[02:42:59] <debiantu> speaking of releasing.. for the past some 20 years.. Debian always gets released when ready.. why for Stretch did someone set June 17 as the target date for release?
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• 1302[02:43:14] <madditronic> Optimism
• 1303[02:43:27] <shleng_ataribox> does anyone have an answer to my XDG runtime issue?
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• 1305[02:43:34] <shleng_ataribox> i can't install SH files
• 1306[02:43:43] <themill> debiantu: a date has always been picked like that
• 1307[02:43:45] <debiantu> can't help shleng - I'm not a pro
• 1308[02:44:36] <debiantu> k - just my first time following Debian development prior to release.. been waiting since January
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• 1310[02:45:23] <larvallid> the person who was helping me has left, so i am asking again. i have booted into debian 8 using rEFInd, now how can i repair the GRUB installation at /boot/efi?
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• 1313[02:46:39] <larvallid> i also have a problem with launching GNOEM after a hardware change, related to the nvidia proprietary driver, but that will come later
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• 1315[02:47:19] <debiantu> larval - do you have the non-free repos in your sources.list file?
• 1316[02:47:42] <debiantu> I'm not a pro at Debian - but nVidia needs propreitary drivers no?
• 1317[02:47:44] <n_blownapart> hi how would I write a script in .bashrc with an alias, to use this curl command (for pasting code to a pastebin, with the last part being an empty field for the file name?
• 1318[02:48:38] <larvallid> debiantu, troubleshooting will have to wait. thunderstorm in my area, and i am now powering off the desktop computer to avoid any further complications.
• 1319[02:48:45] <n_blownapart> $ curl -F c=@- replaced-url
• 1320[02:48:55] <debiantu> ciao larvall
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• 1323[02:49:29] <larvallid> thanks debiantu :)
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• 1325[02:50:11] <n_blownapart> its a pastebin that pastes from the command line. It's rather cool. any tips?
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• 1330[02:50:35] <shleng_ataribox> what does this mean when running sudo sh FILENAME: QStandardPaths: XDG_RUNTIME_DIR not set, defaulting to '/tmp/runtime-root'
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• 1339[02:54:23] <Nik05> shleng_ataribox you can set a directory for runtime files, if you don't an application using XDG_RUNTIME_DIR should warn you and create its own runtime directory
• 1340[02:54:26] <n_blownapart> something like this: pb() curl -F c=@- replaced-url
• 1341[02:54:28] <Nik05> replaced-url
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• 1343[02:55:13] <Nik05> shleng_ataribox I dont know why a warning message should be printed, I think you can ignore it
• 1344[02:55:31] <shleng_ataribox> Nik05: it's preventing me from installing an sh file program
• 1345[02:55:46] <shleng_ataribox> what is the fix
• 1346[02:56:16] <Nik05> i am not sure if that warning is a problem
• 1347[02:57:57] <themill> shleng_ataribox: full command and full output in a pastebin might help. Is this installer trying to show a window?
• 1348[02:58:29] <shleng_ataribox> yes in terimnal
• 1349[02:58:44] <shleng_ataribox> it shows the window, extracts, then it stop when going into xterm
• 1350[02:59:42] <Nik05> If you use systemd, /run/user/userid is a good location I think
• 1351[02:59:48] <Nik05> but still not sure if that is the problem
• 1352[03:00:01] <shleng_ataribox> well, this was simple
• 1353[03:00:02] <n_blownapart> please give me hint for above curl command: what would the last blank field for a text file look like inside a .bashrc alias, such as 'pb() { curl -F c=@- replaced-url
• 1354[03:00:07] <shleng_ataribox> i just installed xterm, and it installed
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• 1357[03:00:31] <Nik05> Oh indeed, $XDG_RUNTIME_DIR is /run/user/1003 for me
• 1358[03:00:49] <shleng_ataribox> it probably has something to do with stupid KDE
• 1359[03:00:56] <shleng_ataribox> always some oddball issue
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• 1377[03:11:09] <Nik05> have a good night
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• 1422[03:40:05] <cluelessperson> replaced-url
• 1423[03:40:15] <cluelessperson> How do I fix this depency problem?
• 1424[03:40:29] <cluelessperson> he following packages have unmet dependencies:
• 1425[03:40:36] <cluelessperson> How am I supposed to fix this?
• 1426[03:40:45] <cluelessperson> what's hte point of a package manager if it can't handle this
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• 1429[03:42:00] <joeel84> Great work guys! My upgrade was smooth as silk
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• 1432[03:43:40] <sypher> cluelessperson: Are you using stable? Do you have held packages?
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• 1440[03:45:37] <cluelessperson> sypher: "held packages" what are those? and yes, I'm using stable.
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• 1459[03:53:23] <joeel84> exit
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• 1462[03:55:02] <simbalion`> Is it right ot assume that Stretch is not "officially" released until the stable page of debian.org is updated?
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• 1467[03:56:49] <TinkerTiger> I haven't seen anything on the micronews page that states that it's offically released yet. Just a lot of blather about how great it is. ;)
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• 1471[03:57:26] <TinkerTiger> ...and how it won't run on most of my current hardware. ;)
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• 1489[04:08:53] <RattusRattus> TinkerTiger: still happening - currently shifting data to servers
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• 1491[04:09:38] <simbalion`> TinkerTiger: yeah there's a lot of blog posts saying it's released but the topic still says 'ETA'
• 1492[04:09:55] <simbalion`> and the stable page still says jessie :)
• 1493[04:10:30] <TinkerTiger> Heh, yeah, as I figured. I've been checking back at the micronew site off and on all day.
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• 1495[04:11:07] <TinkerTiger> As I said, I may have one machine that'd run it anyway so I'm mainly staying with 8.
• 1496[04:11:36] <DammitJim> to use rsnapshot, do I need to run it as sudo?
• 1497[04:11:39] <DammitJim> or root?
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• 1499[04:11:54] <DammitJim> it seems it doesn't have access to a lock file (pid?)
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• 1501[04:12:39] <ryouma> DammitJim: probably you need root to have access to various files with various permissions, but in principle you could set up groups
• 1502[04:12:56] <DammitJim> no problem
• 1503[04:12:57] <DammitJim> thanks!
• 1504[04:13:03] <DammitJim> about to upgrade to stretch *sigh*
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• 1506[04:13:44] <Barrnet> Hello. Sorry for my bad english. I've a problem with an upgrade from debian 8 to debian 9. When the installer tryed to switch from mysql-server to mariadb-server as been failed. I already tryed to purge mariadb package and reinstall it, but when i put "apt install mariadb-server" i receive this error: Process: 9294 ExecStart=/usr/sbin/mysqld $MYSQLD_OPTS $_WSREP_NEW_CLUSTER $_WSREP_START_POSITION (code=exited, status=227/NO_NEW_PRIVILEG
• 1507[04:13:44] <Barrnet> ES) Someone can help me?
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• 1509[04:15:44] <jmcnaught> Barrnet: did you back up your databases with mysqldump before upgrading?
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• 1511[04:17:07] <Barrnet> Yes, I have, but what I need is a working mariadb server
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• 1515[04:18:57] <Barrnet> I've already tried to delete /var/lib/mysql and /etc/mysql directory first, then to reinstall the package
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• 1519[04:19:55] <simbalion`> DammitJim: there's an rsnapshot channel I think where you'd probably get better support
• 1520[04:20:08] <DammitJim> thanks
• 1521[04:20:12] <simbalion`> I run my rsnapshot as root, for what it's worth
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• 1526[04:20:51] <ryouma> there is an rsync channel that might supply rsync details if you have questions about rsync options etc.
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• 1529[04:21:26] <simbalion`> Barrnet: is your kernel upgraded?
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• 1532[04:22:09] <Barrnet> simbalion`: Debian 3.2.81-1 x86_64 GNU/Linux
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• 1534[04:22:49] <jmcnaught> that's a wheezy kernel
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• 1538[04:23:35] <simbalion`> Barrnet: upgrade your kernel, I had the same problem
• 1539[04:23:45] <Barrnet> Yep. you know, this machine has just a BIT of uptime :D
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• 1546[04:27:26] <jmcnaught> Barrnet: the security tracker is a good resource to determine if you need to reboot for security reasons or not. a wheezy kernel will be vulnerable to stuff that's been fixed in jessie and stretch: replaced-url
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• 1555[04:32:07] <simbalion`> jmcnaught: is there an RSS feed of that?
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• 1560[04:33:31] <jmcnaught> simbalion`: replaced-url
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• 1563[04:35:31] <simbalion`> thanks!
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• 1579[04:42:17] <Barrnet> I just noticed that I already downloaded all the kerlels but at bootime it keep using the older ones
• 1580[04:42:25] <Barrnet> I just noticed that I already downloaded all the kerlels but at bootime it keep using the older ones
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• 1582[04:42:37] <Barrnet> to change the booted kernel I could change the file /etc/default/grub but I want to know if theres a "cleaner" way to achieve the same result
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• 1585[04:43:21] <pfred1> ack! Current status: 2098 updates [+2098], 13237 new [+10087].
• 1586[04:43:27] <pfred1> that ain't right
• 1587[04:43:52] <pfred1> Debian fix your shit
• 1588[04:44:04] <dax> are you using "stable" instead of a release codename in your sources.lists files?
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• 1592[04:44:20] <pfred1> good question
• 1593[04:44:22] <dax> because if so, stop doing that because it's apparently not what you want
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• 1597[04:45:02] <Barrnet> nope, i'm using codename strench
• 1598[04:45:23] <dax> Barrnet: I was talking to pfred1.
• 1599[04:45:30] <pfred1> yeah no I'm using the distro's name
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• 1601[04:45:32] <Barrnet> ah, k. not clear for me xD
• 1602[04:46:08] <dax> pfred1: interesting.
• 1603[04:46:20] <pfred1> deb replaced-url
• 1604[04:46:31] <pfred1> stuff like that
• 1605[04:47:12] <dax> pfred1: stick the output of `apt-cache policy` into a pastebin (e.g. replaced-url
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• 1608[04:47:26] <pfred1> it sure looks like Debian wants to full upgrade me
• 1609[04:47:30] <dax> indeed.
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• 1611[04:48:19] <pfred1> dax replaced-url
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• 1615[04:49:19] <dax> see lines 5 and 6, you have a couple of "oldstable"s in sources.list somewhere
• 1616[04:49:29] <dax> could be /etc/apt/sources.list.d/* too
• 1617[04:49:36] <pfred1> hmmm
• 1618[04:50:14] <dax> and oldstable is most of the way towards being jessie now, the release folks are working on it all right now.
• 1619[04:50:16] <pfred1> they're commented out
• 1620[04:50:24] <dax> apt seems to disagree with you
• 1621[04:50:27] <pfred1> oh wait one isn't
• 1622[04:50:30] <dax> :)
• 1623[04:50:42] <pfred1> wtf is this?
• 1624[04:50:49] <pfred1> oh
• 1625[04:51:05] <pfred1> I think it is for mplayer? deb replaced-url
• 1626[04:51:18] <dax> that's a normal debian repository
• 1627[04:51:22] <dax> specifically, the german one
• 1628[04:51:23] <pfred1> yeah I'll get rid of that line
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• 1632[04:51:38] <jmcnaught> or just change oldstable to wheezy
• 1633[04:51:40] <dax> ^
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• 1635[04:51:55] <pfred1> pfft I doubt that cruft has domne anything in years
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• 1643[04:55:21] <pfred1> dax weird now aptitude update says nothing but thanks that seems to have fixed it
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• 1645[04:55:49] <yokisuci> 5 + 5
• 1646[04:55:52] <yokisuci> 2+2
• 1647[04:55:53] <yokisuci> hm
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• 1655[04:57:27] <pfred1> dax I honestly can't even remember when I added that line to my sources.list file although it was under some comment about wine which i have not messed with for years
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• 1661[04:59:22] <madditronic> ITS THERE!
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• 1664[05:01:12] <yokisuci> madditronic: huh?
• 1665[05:01:20] <yokisuci> :S
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• 1667[05:01:28] <madditronic> Sorry, just my excitement seeing the iso up
• 1668[05:01:34] <dax> madditronic: indeed, they're doing the last bits of release now :)
• 1669[05:01:39] <madditronic> I should have been quiet.
• 1670[05:01:51] <Barrnet> in "boot/grub/menu.lst" I found just the 3.2 kernel, why isn't update-grub adding newer kernel to the list?
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• 1672[05:02:23] <yokisuci> :S
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• 1707[05:19:24] <jim> hi... where's that kernel handbook's home?
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• 1716[05:23:12] <dvs> !kp
• 1717[05:23:13] <dpkg> [kernel-package] Obsolete. Use <kernel handbook> instead. Used to be The Debian Way(tm) "aptitude install kernel-package build-essential libncurses5-dev" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz. You should also ask me about <make-kpkg>, <kp mantra> and <kernel build-deps>.
• 1718[05:23:34] <dvs> !tell jim about kernel handbook
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• 1722[05:26:48] <Sabotender> O_o
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• 1726[05:28:58] <Barrnet_> I've trouble startin up the machine with the new kernel. Update-grub has the kernel in list and is present in /boot/grub.cfg too, but when I reboot the machine keeps using the kernel 3.2
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• 1735[05:32:48] <likcoras> Yay, stretch is out.
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• 1738[05:33:46] <dvs> not according to the topic!
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• 1740[05:34:01] <dvs> AND I actually read it!
• 1741[05:34:09] <likcoras> But the website wasupdated.
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• 1743[05:34:20] <likcoras> replaced-url
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• 1762[05:41:30] <solrize> woo hoo, web site updated
• 1763[05:41:38] <solrize> i guess servers are getting hammered now
• 1764[05:41:42] <solrize> i can put up a torrent, hmm
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• 1766[05:43:25] <Cronus> for the lazy of us, a link to it replaced-url
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• 1775[05:48:03] <likcoras> What is the debian-ports repository?
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• 1777[05:48:11] <likcoras> First time I'm seeing it mentioned...
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• 1784[05:50:08] <glick> hi folks
• 1785[05:50:16] <glick> has stretch been released?
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• 1787[05:50:23] <QwertyDragon> replaced-url
• 1788[05:50:38] <moe> Hey I got a question with live boot with persistence
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• 1791[05:51:08] <glick> i have been running testing by changing my apt.sources list to stretch since a while ago
• 1792[05:51:21] <glick> however, now, when i do an apt update, it still shows as pulling from testing
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• 1795[05:51:34] <glick> my apt list doesnt mention testing, i pull from strech main
• 1796[05:51:37] <simbalion> stable shows stretch! \o/
• 1797[05:51:55] <moe> seems that only in a live boot with persistence my gpu fan goes crazy but I cant update gpu drivers without crashing the flashdrive and rewriting the partitions
• 1798[05:52:11] <glick> do i have to do a apt dist-update to pull from stable now?
• 1799[05:52:17] <dax> glick: if "apt update" has the word "testing" in the output, then somewhere in sources.list or /etc/apt/sources.list.d/* you do indeed have a testing line (which you should change to stretch)
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• 1804[05:54:06] <glick> replaced-url
• 1805[05:54:18] <glick> thats what my apt sources file looks like
• 1806[05:54:31] <dax> is there anything in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ ?
• 1807[05:54:41] <nod3> hello... :) can I ask... WHY THE FUCK does the mirrors site redirect to sweden to download the netinstall image? when I am clearly in the US ?
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• 1810[05:55:01] <moe> anyway to get rid of nouveau drivers and install nvidia on a live boot?
• 1811[05:55:15] <moe> everyime I try i destroys my install
• 1812[05:55:23] <glick> yes dax there is stuff in that directory
• 1813[05:55:34] <dax> glick: then presumably it's something in there.
• 1814[05:55:35] <glick> but i dont get why apt still pulls from testing
• 1815[05:55:50] <dax> glick: because you have a line in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ telling it to...
• 1816[05:56:08] <glick> i dont see anything
• 1817[05:56:16] * dax sighs
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• 1821[05:57:29] <dax> glick: pastebin the output of `apt-cache policy` and `grep -R testing /etc/apt/sources.list*`, assuming that the latter does not give you sufficient direction to fix it yourserlf
• 1822[05:57:32] <dax> yourself*
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• 1824[05:57:41] <dax> example pastebin site: replaced-url
• 1825[05:58:53] <glick> replaced-url
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• 1830[06:00:22] <dax> glick: and the output of "apt update"?
• 1831[06:00:22] <glick> grep -R testing /etc/apt/sources.list* produces no output
• 1832[06:00:52] <Laserburn> I just discovered alt+num to switch windows in Irssi
• 1833[06:00:57] <Laserburn> life changer
• 1834[06:02:03] <glick> replaced-url
• 1835[06:02:14] <Barrnet_> I've trouble startin up the machine with the new kernel. Update-grub has the kernel in list and is present in /boot/grub.cfg too, but when I reboot the machine keeps using the kernel 3.2
• 1836[06:02:19] <glick> lol really Laserburn ?
• 1837[06:02:59] <dax> sigh, I interpreted "when I do an apt update, it still shows as pulling from testing" as apt update showing "testing" in the output
• 1838[06:03:18] <dax> to answer your actual, different, question: it'll fix itself shortly, feel free to ignore it for now
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• 1840[06:03:27] <Laserburn> @glick ikr, I have been using IRC since like 1999, used to use bitchx
• 1841[06:03:35] <glick> i see dax
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• 1843[06:03:36] <glick> thanks
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• 1845[06:03:59] <hiya> hi
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• 1850[06:05:24] <Laserburn> hiya
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• 1853[06:06:39] <glick> is tor browser not a part of debian release?
• 1854[06:06:43] <glick> i cant find it in apt
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• 1856[06:07:26] <r2q2> Hi, is this the place for the delivery of the keg of free as in beers?
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• 1873[06:14:03] <glick> is the tor browser not available in the debian package?
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• 1876[06:15:04] <john110> I cannot make donation to debian through paypal. It failed with "Sorry - your last action could not be completed
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• 1879[06:15:56] <hiya> Laserburn, What's up?
• 1880[06:16:09] <Laserburn> nm
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• 1882[06:16:14] <glick> if i create a bin directory in my home directory...it puts it first in my path directory
• 1883[06:16:25] <glick> isnt this a security vulnerability?
• 1884[06:16:27] <Laserburn> it's very surprising to me how much this channel has changed in 15 years
• 1885[06:16:37] <glick> shouldnt my bin directory be the last directory checked?
• 1886[06:16:43] <john110> has anyone been succesful with paypal donation?
• 1887[06:16:46] <glick> my su command could be replaced
• 1888[06:16:53] <glick> and my ls command
• 1889[06:17:11] <glick> a malicious ls command could be put in my bin directory to not show itself
• 1890[06:17:16] <Laserburn> this sort of casual conversation would have gotten us banned. And someone would be berating glick for doing something as silly as moving /bin to his home directory
• 1891[06:17:16] <glick> and a malicious su command
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• 1893[06:17:45] <glick> my .profile file checks for this and does this automatically
• 1894[06:18:05] <glick> its not bad, but it should be appended at the END of my default $PATH variable not at the beginning
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• 1896[06:18:21] <glick> this way if you place malicious system tools in my bin directory its okay because it will execute the first one
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• 1898[06:19:42] <Laserburn> glick, I'm really confused here dude
• 1899[06:19:54] <Laserburn> is this just a mental exercise or what
• 1900[06:20:13] <Laserburn> you would have to create a bin directory in your home directory and also add it to your path in order for these things to work
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• 1902[06:20:28] <random_numbers> Laserburn: Seems to have been on topic to me.
• 1903[06:20:35] <glick> Laserburn: no its not a mental exorcise. if you look in your .profile file, it does this automatically
• 1904[06:20:46] <glick> it looks for the existence of ~/bin
• 1905[06:20:58] <glick> and if it exists it adds it to your PATH variable upon starting a shell
• 1906[06:21:05] <Laserburn> why the fuck does it do that
• 1907[06:21:13] <glick> this is not a problem, HOWEVER it adds it at the BEGINNING
• 1908[06:21:20] <glick> meaning its the first directory searched
• 1909[06:21:31] <glick> place a malicious ls and su in there and you could have real problems
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• 1911[06:21:46] <RoyK> glick: 'which ls' perhaps?
• 1912[06:21:58] <RoyK> or 'type l'
• 1913[06:22:01] <RoyK> or 'type ls'
• 1914[06:22:04] <Laserburn> /usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin
• 1915[06:22:06] <Laserburn> there's my path
• 1916[06:22:06] <glick> RoyK: a malicoius which could also be put in my bin directory
• 1917[06:22:13] <Laserburn> I do not see ~/bin
• 1918[06:22:22] <glick> lazouz: you have to create the directory
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• 1921[06:22:36] <glick> if you create the directory .profile automatically adds it to your PATH directory
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• 1923[06:23:30] <Laserburn> ok, I see it now
• 1924[06:23:44] <Laserburn> # set PATH so it includes user's private bin if it exists
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• 1926[06:23:54] <glick> it just seems to me it should be added to the END of your PATH
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• 1928[06:23:58] <glick> not the beginning
• 1929[06:24:02] <glick> if you see where im coming from now
• 1930[06:24:03] <Laserburn> I know
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• 1932[06:24:11] <RoyK> if [ -d "$HOME/bin" ] ; then
• 1933[06:24:12] <RoyK> PATH="$HOME/bin:$PATH"
• 1934[06:24:16] <Laserburn> yes but that dir does not exist for me so it is not in my path
• 1935[06:24:18] <Laserburn> the check fails
• 1936[06:24:19] <RoyK> that's at the end
• 1937[06:24:23] <Laserburn> sooooo
• 1938[06:24:54] <Laserburn> any malicious binaries placed there would need access to do malicious things anyway
• 1939[06:24:59] <RoyK> ls -l $( which ls )
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• 1941[06:25:16] <Laserburn> so we're back to square one - secure your systems against your users and the people preying on them
• 1942[06:25:18] <glick> i understand Laserburn but sometimes you WANT to have a custom bin direcoty, its useful, however checking it first is a security vulnerability id say
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• 1944[06:25:56] <Laserburn> ok so let's say this was removed from .profile
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• 1946[06:26:09] <Laserburn> what's to prevent a user from simply creating ~/bin and putting it in their path themselves
• 1947[06:26:16] <hiya> Anyone tried Debian 9 yet?
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• 1949[06:26:18] <Laserburn> with the right (or wrong?) permissions
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• 1951[06:26:34] <nostalgiccloud> So
• 1952[06:26:47] <nostalgiccloud> I just wanted to come say congrats on officially releasing debian Stretch!
• 1953[06:27:12] *** Quits: kus (~minot@replaced-ip) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
• 1954[06:27:31] <Laserburn> nostalgiccloud: hear, hear
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• 1956[06:27:39] <glick> Laserburn: nothing. they SHOULD be allowed to have their own bin. BUT by placing it at the end of the search PATH the system is guaranteed to search for known system utilities FIRST. so if a malicious 'ls' command IS placed in ~bin, it wont matter. the correct one will be run
• 1957[06:27:40] <nostalgiccloud> Hear hear!
• 1958[06:27:47] <nostalgiccloud> I haven't used Debian in about a year now myself
• 1959[06:28:00] <nostalgiccloud> I've moved on to Ubuntu for kernel hotpatching and more modern packages in LTS :>
• 1960[06:28:02] <glick> does anyone else see this as a potential security issue and get what im talking about?
• 1961[06:28:07] <Laserburn> glick: alright, what's your concern?
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• 1963[06:28:23] <glick> i just wrote a paragraph explaining my concern
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• 1965[06:28:56] <Laserburn> but in that paragraph, you said that the real ls is run first since /bin is first in the path
• 1966[06:28:56] <random_numbers> glick: Sounds reasonable to me.
• 1967[06:29:25] <nostalgiccloud> what's the concern?
• 1968[06:29:25] <Laserburn> ls would have to explicitly be run from ~/bin/ls in order for malware to do things
• 1969[06:29:27] <glick> Laserburn: i dont think you get what im saying
• 1970[06:29:34] <Laserburn> perhaps not
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• 1973[06:30:07] <glick> Laserburn: no it wouldnt have to be explicity run. if your ~/bin is listed first in your PATH variable. thats the FIRST place the system will look for any commands
• 1974[06:30:28] <nostalgiccloud> glick: IF someone is able to plant a malicious file in /bin they already owned yoru machine.
• 1975[06:30:36] <glick> if a malicious ls, which or other tools where placed in that directory...
• 1976[06:30:40] <glick> theyd run first
• 1977[06:30:44] <nostalgiccloud> That's like saying "lets make the doors lock pick resistant" and not securing the windows.
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• 1979[06:30:57] <glick> nostalgiccloud: not necessarily, they may have just compromised an account
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• 1982[06:31:05] <cef> nostalgiccloud: there's a difference between ~/bin and /bin
• 1983[06:31:06] <glick> however they COULD use that to compromise the system
• 1984[06:31:10] <glick> for example....
• 1985[06:31:21] <nostalgiccloud> glick: at that point the machine is still compromised.
• 1986[06:31:23] <glick> if they compromise the account of a user with su capability
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• 1988[06:31:38] <glick> they could place a malicious ls and su command in their bin directory
• 1989[06:31:50] <glick> nostalgiccloud: not necessarily. they could have just a user account
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• 1991[06:31:54] <glick> password
• 1992[06:31:55] <nostalgiccloud> They could also just use gksu and trick the user into entering their password
• 1993[06:32:01] <glick> that doesnt mean the machine is compromised
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• 1995[06:32:08] <glick> if a users account is compromised
• 1996[06:32:12] <nostalgiccloud> If my code is running on your machine, you're compromised.
• 1997[06:32:35] <nostalgiccloud> I'm not going to waste my time hoping my malicious file in ~/bin will be run by you.
• 1998[06:32:38] <Laserburn> I haven't experimented with this. Are you saying that you wish that /bin were first in the path, rather than ~/bin? I just created ~/bin on my system as a non-root user, and logged back in, and ~/bin is not in my path, in spite of .profile having the code in it to include it
• 1999[06:32:46] <nostalgiccloud> I'm going to trick you into giving me su.
• 2000[06:32:51] <glick> nostalgiccloud: no not necessarily. if i have the account password of a user but not the root account password, the machine is fine, however the account might not be
• 2001[06:33:16] <nostalgiccloud> glick: Want to run a python script for me and see how long it takes to get root without replacing a file in ~/bin?
• 2002[06:33:18] <nostalgiccloud> :^)
• 2003[06:33:32] <glick> Laserburn: you have to run source ~/.profile. its run automatically at startup first loggin but not afterwards
• 2004[06:33:43] <nostalgiccloud> Your door can be as strong as it wants, if your windows aren't protected I'm smashing them out
• 2005[06:33:57] <glick> nostalgiccloud: sure, ill create an account, and run it
• 2006[06:34:00] <glick> and nothing will happen
• 2007[06:34:02] <glick> you wont get root
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• 2009[06:34:25] <glick> i cant believe no one here gets me
• 2010[06:34:25] <nostalgiccloud> glick: are you sure?
• 2011[06:34:34] <sumyunseal> i get u
• 2012[06:34:36] <glick> yeah nostalgiccloud im pretty sure
• 2013[06:34:39] <nostalgiccloud> glick: How do you know I'm not sitting on a 0day?
• 2014[06:34:50] <nostalgiccloud> How do you know I don't have a entire box of tricks to use to get root?
• 2015[06:34:58] <sumyunseal> are we released yet?
• 2016[06:35:01] <nostalgiccloud> yes
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• 2018[06:35:07] <sumyunseal> its real?
• 2019[06:35:12] <nostalgiccloud> Debian 9.
• 2020[06:35:19] <sumyunseal> ok
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• 2022[06:35:24] <nostalgiccloud> Truly the universal operating system
• 2023[06:35:25] <glick> maybe ill file a bug report to the debian security team
• 2024[06:35:30] <sumyunseal> gah
• 2025[06:35:34] <cef> glick: oh I get you. it's low risk compared to other stuff, but if you want to be safe, you should probably do everything you can.
• 2026[06:35:40] <nostalgiccloud> ^
• 2027[06:35:43] <sumyunseal> i shud install updates and restart
• 2028[06:35:47] <glick> yes cef
• 2029[06:35:48] <Laserburn> glick: I'd be interested in following your bug report once submitted.
• 2030[06:35:55] <nostalgiccloud> glick: I'm not saying it's not a complete no go, but I have better ways if I want root.
• 2031[06:35:58] <sumyunseal> shud i update
• 2032[06:36:09] <nostalgiccloud> I'm not going to use hope.
• 2033[06:36:12] <glick> nostalgiccloud: yes maybe, BUT its a vulnerability. why not close it?
• 2034[06:36:19] <sumyunseal> wer do i see if im the official version?
• 2035[06:36:25] <glick> ~/bin should never be first in your search path
• 2036[06:36:30] <nostalgiccloud> glick: it requires you have pre-existing access to the machine.
• 2037[06:36:44] <nostalgiccloud> At that point removing ~/bin from PATH wont stop me.
• 2038[06:36:44] <glick> nostalgiccloud: ill give you a real example how it could be owned
• 2039[06:36:45] <sumyunseal> i learned new compands for checking info
• 2040[06:36:50] <glick> how it could be used to own a machine
• 2041[06:36:52] <sumyunseal> lsb somehting
• 2042[06:37:06] <glick> say we are on a multiuser machine. the admin has a regular user account
• 2043[06:37:17] <glick> somehow i get access to his non root account
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• 2045[06:37:29] <cef> nostalgiccloud: such as, hey, someone running apache with home dir support and a working exploit that allows them to escape public_html but not touch hidden files or dirs?
• 2046[06:37:29] <glick> but not his root accont
• 2047[06:37:46] <sumyunseal> how do i see if i have the released version
• 2048[06:37:48] <glick> i place a malicious ls, su, and which in his ~bin
• 2049[06:38:05] <glick> i then tell him im having trouble deleting a directory
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• 2051[06:38:35] <glick> he su's to root, running my malicious su i placed in his ~/bin which mails me his password and then deletes itself
• 2052[06:38:51] <sumyunseal> fisrt time im using dark theme lol
• 2053[06:38:55] <glick> i also place a ls in that directory as well so ls ~/bin doesnt show it
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• 2057[06:39:04] <nostalgiccloud> glick: or...
• 2058[06:39:09] <glick> machine owned
• 2059[06:39:14] <nostalgiccloud> Rather than tamper with the system files, I'd just use LD_PRELOAD
• 2060[06:39:34] <nostalgiccloud> Why replace the files when I can inject my own code at runtime?
• 2061[06:39:41] <nostalgiccloud> Again there's easier ways.
• 2062[06:39:48] <cef> nostalgiccloud: what if you canfyi the above example with apache has happened, a few times, and hey.. suddenly
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• 2065[06:40:01] <cef> nostalgiccloud: what if you can't though? fyi the above example with apache has happened, a few times
• 2066[06:40:28] <nostalgiccloud> cef: I can always ask the xorg server to give me a keyboard listener.
• 2067[06:40:28] <madditronic> ohhhhh this new debian is hawt
• 2068[06:40:41] <cef> nostalgiccloud: on a machine without X/
• 2069[06:40:53] <nostalgiccloud> you never said no X
• 2070[06:41:25] <cef> no, I never said X at all. I was talking a machine with a web server. Anyone who runs X on a webserver should probably be shot. :P
• 2071[06:41:28] <Laserburn> lol python 3 incremented to .5 in debian 9
• 2072[06:41:33] <Laserburn> :\
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• 2074[06:41:39] <nostalgiccloud> cef: replaced-url
• 2075[06:41:45] <nostalgiccloud> :^)
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• 2077[06:42:16] <nostalgiccloud> Again, if I have access to your machine without you knowing, it's compromised.
• 2078[06:42:20] <nostalgiccloud> Protecting your PATH wont stop me.
• 2079[06:42:38] <firef1y> cef: welcome to my ignore list.
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• 2082[06:43:12] <Laserburn> oh wow...the new network interface naming convention is going to bite me in the ass
• 2083[06:43:20] <cef> firef1y: you'd probably have a decent local firewall at least. :P
• 2084[06:43:24] <firef1y> Laserburn: new convention?
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• 2086[06:43:34] <nostalgiccloud> cef: why did he ignore you?
• 2087[06:43:36] <Laserburn> check the release notes, 2.2.8. New method for naming network interfaces
• 2088[06:43:40] <nostalgiccloud> Also why is he announcing it like a child?
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• 2090[06:43:42] <madditronic> enp7s0 and such
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• 2092[06:43:50] <madditronic> not intuitive naming
• 2093[06:44:01] <nostalgiccloud> cef: is firef1y mad you said anyone running X11 on a webserver should be shot?
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• 2095[06:44:22] <Laserburn> "It uses the firmware/BIOS provided index numbers and then tries PCI card slot numbers, producing names like ens0 or enp1s1 (ethernet) or wlp3s0 (wlan)."
• 2096[06:44:37] <sumyunseal> i kno
• 2097[06:44:44] <sumyunseal> gui webserver is sick
• 2098[06:44:46] <cef> nostalgiccloud: you're still assuming a local account access.. I'm talking dumping files in an unprivileged manner on someones machine.
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• 2101[06:45:07] <cef> nostalgiccloud: so someone still has to "run" the code/shell/whatever somehow.
• 2102[06:45:12] <Laserburn> might as well choose an interface name from a list of meteorites
• 2103[06:45:18] <nostalgiccloud> cef: apache runs as replaced-url
• 2104[06:45:37] <missmbob> no it doesnt. replaced-url
• 2105[06:45:41] <sumyunseal> how do i check for oficial release
• 2106[06:45:44] <nostalgiccloud> sorry missmbob
• 2107[06:45:54] <firef1y> Laserburn: you get used to it.
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• 2109[06:46:04] <nostalgiccloud> cef: I'd imagine there are many ways to get more processes running under that user
• 2110[06:46:08] <missmbob> sumyunseal: you'll see it in the /topic when it's released (not yet)
• 2111[06:46:09] <firef1y> Laserburn: you get used to it.
• 2112[06:46:14] <Laserburn> fine, but what was so wrong with eth0,eth1,etc
• 2113[06:46:20] <sumyunseal> no in my install
• 2114[06:46:21] <nostalgiccloud> cef: but that isn't what I'm arguing. I'm arguing glick's
• 2115[06:46:39] <nostalgiccloud> Laserburn: too easy
• 2116[06:46:51] <firef1y> Laserburn: eth0 etc are not absolute addresses.
• 2117[06:46:54] <nostalgiccloud> Linux needs to be harder. We have too many new users and we need to solve that.
• 2118[06:47:00] <nostalgiccloud> :^)
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• 2121[06:47:34] <firef1y> so there's nothing guaranteeing that eth6 will still be eth6 after reboot.
• 2122[06:47:47] <nostalgiccloud> firef1y: what.
• 2123[06:47:59] <firef1y> at least the enp*s* names make sense.
• 2124[06:48:05] <nostalgiccloud> no.
• 2125[06:48:06] <Laserburn> firefly: something something overcomplicating a naming convention that is familiar and works fine, has for decades
• 2126[06:48:20] <madditronic> it's the same logic in switching to UUIDs
• 2127[06:48:31] <nostalgiccloud> Except, less friendly.
• 2128[06:48:36] <sumyunseal> ahem
• 2129[06:48:46] <Laserburn> I've never had a network interface spontaneously rename itself between boots...
• 2130[06:48:56] <nostalgiccloud> I'd propose assignign a UUID to a network adapter and referencing the UUID with a human friendly name under /etc/network
• 2131[06:49:02] <nostalgiccloud> Laserburn: Same
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• 2133[06:49:30] <Laserburn> I'd be fine with UUID as long as it's a symlink to eth0 lol
• 2134[06:49:34] <nostalgiccloud> ^
• 2135[06:49:42] <sumyunseal> The following packages will be upgraded:
• 2136[06:49:42] <sumyunseal> ca-certificates-java libgnutls30 libsqlite3-0 linux-compiler-gcc-6-x86
• 2137[06:49:43] <sumyunseal> linux-headers-4.9.0-3-amd64 linux-headers-4.9.0-3-common linux-image-4.9.0-3-amd64
• 2138[06:49:43] <sumyunseal> linux-kbuild-4.9 linux-libc-dev
• 2139[06:49:49] <sumyunseal> this is my upgrades
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• 2142[06:50:06] <firef1y> Laserburn: well, what if you have network cards in slots 1 & 3, and add a new card to slot 2.
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• 2144[06:50:21] <Laserburn> then it gets eth2
• 2145[06:50:23] <firef1y> enp*s* names don't change, but eth* names would.
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• 2147[06:50:37] <nostalgiccloud> firef1y: and?
• 2148[06:50:39] <cef> nostalgiccloud: still think you're missing my point. Anyway, not going to push further cos I have better things to do. Have fun. :P
• 2149[06:50:46] <nostalgiccloud> cef: meh
• 2150[06:50:51] <firef1y> your eth2 is now eth3, and you have a different eth2.
• 2151[06:50:58] <Laserburn> I've never played with it, but are you saying that eth1 would become the interface in slot 2?
• 2152[06:51:01] <nostalgiccloud> firef1y: one issue here
• 2153[06:51:04] <nostalgiccloud> You never had a eth3.
• 2154[06:51:04] <Laserburn> and eth2 would be slot 3?
• 2155[06:51:15] <nostalgiccloud> or a eth2
• 2156[06:51:19] <nostalgiccloud> you had eth0, eth1
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• 2158[06:51:43] <nostalgiccloud> you put a third network card in and it becomes eth3 unless you move them around in the pci/e slots in my experience
• 2159[06:52:09] <firef1y> nostalgiccloud: no matter what order you filled the slots in?
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• 2161[06:52:35] <nostalgiccloud> I'd assume you'd fill them logically and not like you have parkensons
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• 2163[06:52:55] <nostalgiccloud> You know, Slot 1-3
• 2164[06:52:56] <sumyunseal> omg
• 2165[06:53:00] <sumyunseal> wthwtf
• 2166[06:53:02] <nostalgiccloud> not slot 4, 8, 2, 5
• 2167[06:53:06] <sumyunseal> i mean ethwtf
• 2168[06:53:11] <RoyK> nostalgiccloud: not really - the pci scan is parallellised and whatever nic is found first, becomes eth0
• 2169[06:53:17] <sumyunseal> its jus network slots
• 2170[06:53:26] <nostalgiccloud> RoyK: I've never had them go out of order.
• 2171[06:53:31] <nostalgiccloud> I guess I have good luck?
• 2172[06:53:32] <RoyK> I have
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• 2174[06:53:40] <cef> me too
• 2175[06:53:48] <nostalgiccloud> works for me (TM)
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• 2177[06:54:00] <nostalgiccloud> also sumyunseal what?
• 2178[06:54:12] <RoyK> nostalgiccloud: good for you™
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• 2180[06:54:26] <Laserburn> just kicked off dist upgrade and feel like going to bed now
• 2181[06:54:26] <nostalgiccloud> RoyK: Thanks™
• 2182[06:54:32] <Laserburn> what could go wrong? lol
• 2183[06:54:40] <nostalgiccloud> You have backups?
• 2184[06:54:41] <RoyK> famous last words ;)
• 2185[06:54:55] <nostalgiccloud> Is BTRFS stable yet?
• 2186[06:54:55] <Laserburn> this is my home server, so no..if it breaks, I rebuild it, Drago style
• 2187[06:55:01] <nostalgiccloud> ....
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• 2189[06:55:08] <Laserburn> I just
• 2190[06:55:12] <nostalgiccloud> Laserburn: living on the wild side I see.
• 2191[06:55:12] <RoyK> nostalgiccloud: probably around 2025
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• 2193[06:55:24] <Laserburn> kick off an 80s Rocky training montage and git 'er done
• 2194[06:55:32] <nostalgiccloud> Laserburn: you got the wrong distro if you want to live on the wild side. You want Arch.
• 2195[06:55:37] <nostalgiccloud> :^)
• 2196[06:55:41] <Laserburn> oh I like stability my friend
• 2197[06:55:51] <Laserburn> and I really prefer the ease of use of this debian here
• 2198[06:55:59] <nostalgiccloud> I'm pretty sure I could set my Debian server on fire and it would keep working
• 2199[06:56:04] <simbalion> Hi, what is the right way to give a non-root program permission to create it's .pid file?
• 2200[06:56:06] <nostalgiccloud> Debian is the new Solaris.
• 2201[06:56:08] <Laserburn> that's why I feel so confident this upgrade will be smooth
• 2202[06:56:12] <Laserburn> (famous last words)
• 2203[06:56:16] <nostalgiccloud> ™
• 2204[06:56:28] <sumyunseal> solaris is still doing good i heard
• 2205[06:56:34] <nostalgiccloud> Solaris is dead.
• 2206[06:56:38] <Laserburn> where the fuck did you hear that
• 2207[06:56:39] <Laserburn> lol
• 2208[06:56:43] <nostalgiccloud> Oracle took the old girl out back and shot her.
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• 2210[06:56:55] <Laserburn> I work for a fortune 500 that moves at the pace of glacial melt
• 2211[06:57:02] <RoyK> nostalgiccloud: I guess btrfs will stabilise around the same time as gnu hurd replaced-url
• 2212[06:57:06] <nostalgiccloud> What hasn't Oracle killed?
• 2213[06:57:07] <Laserburn> and even THEY have moved on to redhat VMs
• 2214[06:57:11] <nostalgiccloud> RoyK: *dies from disgust*
• 2215[06:57:27] <sumyunseal> i heard it somewhere
• 2216[06:57:28] <cef> you used to be able to map eth interfaces to the mac address somewhere. last time I did that was pre-systemd tho..
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• 2218[06:57:40] <sumyunseal> like solaris was coming back stronger
• 2219[06:57:41] <nostalgiccloud> <3 systemd
• 2220[06:57:48] <nostalgiccloud> It's made my life so much easier.
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• 2222[06:58:03] <Laserburn> ooh..I see we're due for the elon musk linux project soon
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• 2225[06:58:14] <sumyunseal> what lol
• 2226[06:58:16] <nostalgiccloud> Linux on Neural Link
• 2227[06:58:19] <Laserburn> replaced-url
• 2228[06:58:21] <cef> nostalgiccloud: how so? by reducing security? :P
• 2229[06:58:23] <Laserburn> RoyK linked it
• 2230[06:58:24] <nostalgiccloud> "MOM IM COMPILING GENNTOO WITH MY BRAIN"!
• 2231[06:58:29] <Laserburn> hahaha
• 2232[06:58:35] <sumyunseal> never use gentoo
• 2233[06:58:45] <nostalgiccloud> sumyunseal: You shall be beheaded.
• 2234[06:58:56] <sumyunseal> whats it like
• 2235[06:59:05] <nostalgiccloud> IDK I use Ubuntu and Debian
• 2236[06:59:06] <RoyK> Ubuntu: Ancient African word meaning "I'm too tired of compiling Gentoo"
• 2237[06:59:18] <Laserburn> RoyK: lol
• 2238[06:59:20] <nostalgiccloud> Funtoo, there's no fun here!™
• 2239[06:59:23] <sumyunseal> ubuntu is so fat
• 2240[06:59:31] <sumyunseal> too fat
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• 2242[06:59:41] <nostalgiccloud> I have 32gb of ram and 2tb of storage with a xeon in my server
• 2243[06:59:43] <nostalgiccloud> Ubutnu is fine.
• 2244[06:59:47] <Laserburn> you say that, but it has its merits
• 2245[06:59:50] <sumyunseal> and i eats even more packages are you go
• 2246[07:00:06] <RoyK> isn't ISS still on wheezy?
• 2247[07:00:06] <nostalgiccloud> ???
• 2248[07:00:14] <sumyunseal> rly
• 2249[07:00:19] <Laserburn> I installed it on an elderly couple's machine after they asked me to get rid of some Windows virii...figured they would end up replacing the laptop with another Windows one to infect
• 2250[07:00:20] <sumyunseal> thats y i like debian
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• 2252[07:00:26] <sumyunseal> it has like a space there
• 2253[07:00:29] <Laserburn> just saw them a few weeks ago, they have been using it for 5 years without hiccups
• 2254[07:00:29] <sumyunseal> theme
• 2255[07:00:36] <Laserburn> 0 requests for help
• 2256[07:00:40] <RoyK> they kicked out windows and installed wheezy to get something *stable*
• 2257[07:00:43] <Laserburn> I was fucking amazed
• 2258[07:00:50] <nostalgiccloud> You can't break Linux
• 2259[07:00:54] <nostalgiccloud> well, you can.
• 2260[07:00:57] <RoyK> of course you can
• 2261[07:01:02] <nostalgiccloud> sudo chmod -r 777 / iirc
• 2262[07:01:33] <RoyK> there's a lot of interesting ways to break linux
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• 2264[07:01:35] <cef> everything's breakable. it's just a matter of how much effort you need to expend.
• 2265[07:01:38] <ASpacy> sudo rm -rf / --no-preserve-root
• 2266[07:01:41] <ASpacy> best solution
• 2267[07:01:44] <nostalgiccloud> lazy
• 2268[07:01:46] <RoyK> nostalgiccloud: but please don't post commands like that
• 2269[07:02:00] <nostalgiccloud> RoyK: I only posted chmod :>
• 2270[07:02:01] <sumyunseal> how much effort is too much
• 2271[07:02:02] <RoyK> ASpacy: that goes for you as well
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• 2273[07:02:12] <Laserburn> apparently even elderly people capable of infecting windows machines cannot break an ubuntu machine with mere facebook meandering
• 2274[07:02:20] <nostalgiccloud> dd if=/dev/random of=/dev/mem
• 2275[07:02:22] <nostalgiccloud> :^)
• 2276[07:02:26] <nostalgiccloud> I did that once.
• 2277[07:02:30] <RoyK> never tried that
• 2278[07:02:34] <RoyK> must be interesting :)
• 2279[07:02:39] <ASpacy> okay!
• 2280[07:02:45] <Lyberta> nostalgiccloud, why not /dev/sda?
• 2281[07:02:49] <RoyK> perhaps /dev/urandom
• 2282[07:02:51] <nostalgiccloud> Your machine acts like it has Dementia when you do that command
• 2283[07:02:57] <Laserburn> I remember someone in this channel telling me to cat /dev/hdd0 into /dev/audio once
• 2284[07:02:59] <nostalgiccloud> Lyberta: only temp damage
• 2285[07:03:07] <Laserburn> probably right before being kicked or banned for something innocuous
• 2286[07:03:26] <Laserburn> ┤ Configuring cacti ├─────────────────────────────────────────────────────┐ │ Please provide the hostname of a remote MySQL server.
• 2287[07:03:26] <nostalgiccloud> Laserburn: cat /dev/urandom /dev/audio
• 2288[07:03:30] <Laserburn> wat
• 2289[07:03:32] <nostalgiccloud> wat
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• 2291[07:03:40] <Laserburn> I shouldn't have talked all that shit about this upgrade going smoothly
• 2292[07:03:44] <Laserburn> what in ball's name is this
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• 2294[07:03:51] <Laserburn> leave my cacti config alone dammit
• 2295[07:03:57] <RoyK> nostalgiccloud: perhaps cat /dev/urandom > /dev/audio
• 2296[07:03:58] <Laserburn> WHY DEBIAN
• 2297[07:03:59] <Laserburn> WHY
• 2298[07:03:59] <sumyunseal> what is this new sliding thing on my bottom left
• 2299[07:04:05] <nostalgiccloud> RoyK: doesn't work
• 2300[07:04:06] <sumyunseal> is has apps in it
• 2301[07:04:23] <sumyunseal> i cant get rid of it
• 2302[07:04:33] <cef> sumyunseal: was the same as the bar that used to appear at the bottom of the screen
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• 2304[07:04:39] <nostalgiccloud> I need to enable hotpatching on my Ubuntu server
• 2305[07:04:44] <nostalgiccloud> does debian have it yet?
• 2306[07:04:45] <nostalgiccloud> :>
• 2307[07:05:19] <RoyK> I was wondering about the same
• 2308[07:05:43] <RoyK> since stretch is out and all
• 2309[07:05:55] <nostalgiccloud> I love the idea of livepatching the kernel
• 2310[07:06:04] <nostalgiccloud> It's like replacing your car's piston while doing 200mph down the road
• 2311[07:06:08] <nostalgiccloud> Black magic!
• 2312[07:06:21] <Laserburn> does anyone in here know why cacti package just asked for the mysql server hostname during stretch upgrade?
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• 2314[07:06:30] <Laserburn> like it would change or some shit?
• 2315[07:06:39] <cef> Laserburn: probably cos there wasn't one configured?
• 2316[07:06:46] <Laserburn> there was :\
• 2317[07:06:47] <nostalgiccloud> cacti...??
• 2318[07:07:06] <cef> Laserburn: actually configured, or just using an assumed "default" of local?
• 2319[07:07:09] <Laserburn> cacti is a network monitoring thang
• 2320[07:07:17] <nostalgiccloud> thang
• 2321[07:07:19] <Laserburn> well, I dont' know
• 2322[07:07:24] <nostalgiccloud> I got that Thang!
• 2323[07:07:31] <Laserburn> mmmmHmm!
• 2324[07:07:56] <nostalgiccloud> I'm not sure if I'm going to reinstall Debian
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• 2326[07:07:58] <nostalgiccloud> or Ubuntu Mate
• 2327[07:08:06] <Laserburn> cef: not sure why it would matter. Whatever it was configured for is exactly what I would want it to use post-upgrade
• 2328[07:08:07] <cef> it's a network graphing tool
• 2329[07:08:24] <nostalgiccloud> I need a IRC bouncer
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• 2332[07:08:51] <cef> Laserburn: oh I agree.. but I'm guessing that might be why. anyway, your old config should be somewhere renamed with .dpkg-old or somesuch.
• 2333[07:09:07] <Laserburn> yeh, I'll check after this is all done
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• 2336[07:09:37] <nostalgiccloud> Convince me to reinstall Debian
• 2337[07:09:47] <nostalgiccloud> Will my elitebook 8460p just work?
• 2338[07:09:53] <Laserburn> mannnnnnnnnn whatchu doing in this channel with no debian machine running
• 2339[07:10:05] <Laserburn> that alone ought to be incentive
• 2340[07:10:13] <cef> Laserburn: always worth while having a second shell open when doing an upgrade IMO. You can stop stuff if it's come up with weird configs or defaults that you feel aren't right.
• 2341[07:10:14] <Laserburn> you can't be up in here without no debian running
• 2342[07:10:32] <Laserburn> this is my 2nd shell lol
• 2343[07:10:35] <nostalgiccloud> Laserburn: I Got VM's
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• 2345[07:10:47] <Laserburn> I just bounce out of this irssi if something goes down
• 2346[07:11:12] <Laserburn> I ought to stream this on twitch
• 2347[07:11:26] <nostalgiccloud> Twitch Upgrades Debian
• 2348[07:11:33] <Laserburn> pained, nervous look on face while upgrade scrolls in terminal
• 2349[07:11:38] <nostalgiccloud> sudo reboot sudo reboot sudo reboot sudo reboot
• 2350[07:11:43] <Laserburn> lol
• 2351[07:11:49] <glick> well, i sent a bug report
• 2352[07:11:54] <nostalgiccloud> sudo sudo
• 2353[07:12:06] <nostalgiccloud> sudo sudo | curl sudo.getsudo.com
• 2354[07:12:16] <glick> and I changed my .profile file so its not vulnerability and I can have a convenient bin directory in my home directory
• 2355[07:12:17] <Laserburn> I log in directly as root, never use sudo or su
• 2356[07:12:22] <Laserburn> hollaaa
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• 2358[07:12:31] <Laserburn> yes that's right
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• 2360[07:12:34] <nostalgiccloud> glick: run my .py
• 2361[07:12:35] <nostalgiccloud> :^)
• 2362[07:12:51] <gry> i'm looking for sip client which encrypts text messages, audio, video
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• 2364[07:13:17] <gry> linphone does audio and video but text is in plain, i don't know what to look at next, they don't always tell in the docs
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• 2366[07:13:37] <nostalgiccloud> gry: much luck
• 2367[07:13:40] <nostalgiccloud> VOIP is hell.
• 2368[07:13:48] <gry> ok, go on
• 2369[07:13:49] <nostalgiccloud> Except mumble. Mumble is love.
• 2370[07:13:56] <nostalgiccloud> Get Mumble.
• 2371[07:14:30] <nostalgiccloud> I feel like I'm the only Mumble lover here.
• 2372[07:14:47] <madditronic> I love to mumble, if not mumble itself.
• 2373[07:14:57] <glick> nostalgiccloud: show me your py
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• 2375[07:15:08] <gry> mumble looks ok, but i would like to be able to join a group without exposing the user to the other users there (only those whom they add as a contact)
• 2376[07:15:09] <nostalgiccloud> glick: just do this
• 2377[07:15:21] <nostalgiccloud> gry: ACL
• 2378[07:15:33] <gry> i don't have the ability to host a mumble server sorry
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• 2381[07:15:50] <nostalgiccloud> HERESAY!
• 2382[07:15:54] <gry> unless there is a way to use ACL on an existing mumble server somehow
• 2383[07:16:08] <nostalgiccloud> glick: python3 | curl hue.dontclickmywebsite.ca/oops.py
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• 2385[07:16:21] <nostalgiccloud> gry: Mumble can run on Dialup.
• 2386[07:16:27] <gry> well, i could host mumble server in a lan (i would like to use it to communicate with roommates) but my home ip is dynamic
• 2387[07:16:43] <gry> and when i'm not home, i typically don't have any access to home computers because of this
• 2388[07:17:03] <nostalgiccloud> Dyndns
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• 2390[07:17:05] <nostalgiccloud> no-ip
• 2391[07:17:09] <gry> hmm
• 2392[07:17:12] <nostalgiccloud> :^)
• 2393[07:17:27] <gry> by the way did you know? mumble uses voip itself
• 2394[07:17:33] <nostalgiccloud> I know
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• 2396[07:17:41] <nostalgiccloud> Mumble isn't hell though, it's silky smooth audio
• 2397[07:17:50] <nostalgiccloud> So smooth I confuse it for Lindt chocolate sometimes
• 2398[07:17:54] <glick> server unavailable nostalgiccloud
• 2399[07:18:07] <Laserburn> I feel like I've just been subtly marketed to
• 2400[07:18:15] <nostalgiccloud> glick: Running random commands in your terminal is a bad idea
• 2401[07:18:24] <glick> nostalgiccloud: lol i didnt
• 2402[07:18:37] <nostalgiccloud> Laserburn: I'd never subtly market Lindt's silky smooth chocolate to any true chocolate fans
• 2403[07:18:39] <glick> tried to look at the file via a browser
• 2404[07:18:41] <gry> ok thanks nostalgiccloud
• 2405[07:19:02] <Laserburn> oh, so this is overt! well, that's ok
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• 2407[07:19:06] <nostalgiccloud> gry: no problem, I hope you enjoy the rich audio so good it's like eating Lindt chocolate
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• 2412[07:20:19] <glick> what does your python script do nostalgiccloud ?
• 2413[07:20:29] <nostalgiccloud> 0day
• 2414[07:20:31] <nostalgiccloud> :^)
• 2415[07:20:36] <glick> lets see
• 2416[07:20:47] <nostalgiccloud> let me run gksu
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• 2418[07:21:11] <nostalgiccloud> My 0Day is the human mind. It's easier to trick a human than it is to find a bug in code.
• 2419[07:21:18] <glick> lol
• 2420[07:21:24] <nostalgiccloud> I can just make you willingly give me root.
• 2421[07:21:40] <nostalgiccloud> FireFox needs to upgrade! Please give root permissions via GKSU
• 2422[07:21:40] <glick> maybe a total newb nostalgiccloud
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• 2424[07:21:59] <nostalgiccloud> glick: Hillary Clinton's advisers where hacked by a simple phishing email
• 2425[07:22:10] <nostalgiccloud> Everyone makes mistakes.
• 2426[07:22:16] <glick> yeah nostalgiccloud like i said. a total newb
• 2427[07:22:29] <nostalgiccloud> glick: Again, everyone makes mistakes.
• 2428[07:23:08] <nostalgiccloud> glick: you're not going to question why you have two instances of firefox running and one window visible.
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• 2430[07:23:27] <gry> sorry, dumb question, does mumble have video? i try to find it on the web for a couple minutes without success in any direction
• 2431[07:23:40] <glick> however...if i could get you to put a malicious ls in your ~/bin directory, and its listed first, i really easily COULD own your machine
• 2432[07:23:45] <glick> and install all kinds of malicious backdoors
• 2433[07:24:00] <glick> like say, a driveby download
• 2434[07:24:11] <glick> for example of a vulnerable browser say...
• 2435[07:24:17] <nostalgiccloud> No video
• 2436[07:24:25] <nostalgiccloud> glick: You wouldn't.
• 2437[07:24:38] <nostalgiccloud> Tripwire would alert me that my ~/bin has been tampered.
• 2438[07:24:43] <sleepyhead> glick: mumble is opensource no?
• 2439[07:24:52] <nostalgiccloud> sleepyhead: it's FOSS
• 2440[07:24:53] <glick> huh sleepyhead ?
• 2441[07:25:16] <glick> oh you run tripwire. okay
• 2442[07:25:44] <sleepyhead> glick: opensource software usually doesn't have backdoors in it. it's kinda hard to put backdoors in opensource software because the source code is public
• 2443[07:25:54] <nostalgiccloud> sleepyhead: it's not.
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• 2445[07:26:40] <nostalgiccloud> replaced-url
• 2446[07:26:50] <nostalgiccloud> If there wasn't a IDS system, that would've gone unoticed.
• 2447[07:26:53] <glick> sleepyhead: what are you talkin about?
• 2448[07:26:58] <nostalgiccloud> The only change was == became =
• 2449[07:27:01] <glick> i wasnt talking about backdoors
• 2450[07:27:13] <glick> and yes...it IS possible to put backdoors in open source software
• 2451[07:27:39] <nostalgiccloud> ^
• 2452[07:27:45] <nostalgiccloud> They can be very subtle.
• 2453[07:28:01] <sleepyhead> nostalgiccloud: it's harder though because these things tend to get discovered on account of the source code being out in the open
• 2454[07:28:05] <nostalgiccloud> if(user->permissions = root){}
• 2455[07:28:10] <nostalgiccloud> sleepyhead: It's really not.
• 2456[07:28:22] <nostalgiccloud> It looks like a mistake and can live for a long time
• 2457[07:28:24] <glick> you could imagine creating compiler that is malicious and knows when it is compiling itself, and when it is, it puts malicious code when its compiling a program bash or ssh
• 2458[07:28:28] <nostalgiccloud> A lot of bugs have lived in the kernel for years.
• 2459[07:28:32] <glick> the source code would show nothing....
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• 2461[07:28:37] <nostalgiccloud> ^
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• 2463[07:28:41] <sleepyhead> nostalgiccloud: ok then. would you agree then for the purposes of what glick said above that mumble doesn't install malware or leave your system exposed?
• 2464[07:28:41] <glick> but it would be a massive backdoor
• 2465[07:28:43] <glick> very malicous
• 2466[07:29:02] <nostalgiccloud> sleepyhead: if you followed the conversation you'd know it was between me and gry.
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• 2468[07:29:23] <nostalgiccloud> Also Mumble does leave your system exposed as it does have to listen to incoming connections
• 2469[07:29:29] <glick> not that im saying free software has been compremised in this way
• 2470[07:29:32] <madditronic> mounting usb devices without a DE always sucks
• 2471[07:29:38] <glick> but it is possible in that way
• 2472[07:29:40] <nostalgiccloud> You must use best practices such as using SeLinux, AppArmour, not running it as root.
• 2473[07:29:57] <gry> sorry, glick and sleepyhead; it was my question originally, nothing to do with malware
• 2474[07:30:23] <nostalgiccloud> gry: It has no video features unfortunately.
• 2475[07:30:39] <nostalgiccloud> A while ago I was entertaining the idea of a Javascript port so it could run in browsers.
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• 2478[07:30:44] <glick> damn django is so....confusing and ugly in some ways
• 2479[07:30:46] <nostalgiccloud> We have WebRTC though.
• 2480[07:30:52] <glick> but...i guess writing web applications is messy by nature
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• 2483[07:31:00] <nostalgiccloud> Depends on the language.
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• 2486[07:31:14] <glick> the browser and the replaced-url
• 2487[07:31:14] <nostalgiccloud> I'm just going to say it. I like PHP even for all its horrid decisions.
• 2488[07:31:42] <glick> well, djanog is python
• 2489[07:31:42] <nostalgiccloud> I need sleep.
• 2490[07:31:45] <nostalgiccloud> Nigh people.
• 2491[07:31:48] <nostalgiccloud> night!
• 2492[07:31:53] <madditronic> schlaf gut
• 2493[07:31:53] <glick> sleep is for wimps!
• 2494[07:32:03] <nostalgiccloud> glick: I hope you kernel panic :^)
• 2495[07:32:07] <glick> heh
• 2496[07:32:12] <glick> night
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• 2499[07:32:19] <nostalgiccloud> May the rest of you be blessed with grsecurity
• 2500[07:32:20] <nostalgiccloud> night
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• 2505[07:33:18] <stephanie92> hey guys, any idea how to access/modify keyring on debian jessie kde
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• 2508[07:33:53] <antgouri> when is the stretch release?
• 2509[07:33:56] <madditronic> Thanks for having me during todays... yesterdays festivities! It's been a pleasure! Good Debianing everyone! See you next release (probably)!
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• 2511[07:34:02] <antgouri> i dont see the website upto date
• 2512[07:34:04] <glick> antgouri: already happened
• 2513[07:34:13] <antgouri> oh !
• 2514[07:34:20] <glick> just update your source.list
• 2515[07:34:23] <dax> and the website is, in fact up to date. few misc things still need doing, but it's out
• 2516[07:34:23] <antgouri> i just do an upgrade?
• 2517[07:34:29] <persiandrugs> debian.org and hit f5
• 2518[07:34:30] <dax> !jessie->stretch
• 2519[07:34:41] <antgouri> hmmm plz wait let me confirm back
• 2520[07:34:52] <glick> change jessie to stretch in apt/sources.list and then do apt dist-upgrade
• 2521[07:34:57] <csruser> replaced-url
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• 2524[07:35:16] <glick> if youre running jessie
• 2525[07:35:27] <antgouri> yes i am on 8.8
• 2526[07:35:37] <antgouri> the site is now update
• 2527[07:35:41] <antgouri> i forgot to F5
• 2528[07:35:43] <antgouri> :(
• 2529[07:35:46] <antgouri> silly me
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• 2531[07:35:50] <glick> yeah then change all instances of jessie to stretch in that file and do upgrade
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• 2533[07:36:00] <antgouri> yes on the process
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• 2535[07:36:40] <ASpacy> !jessie->stretch
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• 2537[07:37:06] <glick> anyone wanna buy a debian dvd set from me for 150 dollars?
• 2538[07:37:18] <glick> latest version of debian
• 2539[07:37:18] <antgouri> for 150$?
• 2540[07:37:22] <glick> only 150 bucks
• 2541[07:37:22] <antgouri> what all are u giving ?
• 2542[07:37:32] <antgouri> i mean what does the kit contain?
• 2543[07:37:40] <glick> just debian stretch
• 2544[07:37:46] <antgouri> one dvd?
• 2545[07:37:58] <glick> 3 dvds
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• 2547[07:38:19] <antgouri> hmmm thanks :)
• 2548[07:38:22] <glick> and includes 15 minutes of 24/7 support
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• 2554[07:39:48] <glick> maybe i should sell some sweet librebooted laptops
• 2555[07:40:07] <glick> i have the sweetest x200
• 2556[07:40:12] <glick> librebooted
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• 2558[07:40:25] <glick> 8 gigs ram, encrypted ssd, librebooted
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• 2565[07:42:03] <gry> if it already happened, someone updates the topic soon ?
• 2566[07:42:06] <glick> i think emacs should be rewritten in python
• 2567[07:42:13] <glick> called pymacs
• 2568[07:42:51] <glick> lisp is just godaweful
• 2569[07:43:16] <gry> pymacs exists as a python interface to emacs
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• 2571[07:43:27] <glick> then ill call it something else
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• 2578[07:46:09] <glick> the jury is still out on whether or not i like emacs
• 2579[07:46:38] <yokisuci> ^^
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• 2584[07:47:30] <camh3> hmmm, "debootstrap stretch /i" errors out with Invalid Release signature (key id 8B48AD6246925553)
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• 2590[07:48:43] <glick> i met Ian once
• 2591[07:48:46] <glick> i nyc
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• 2593[07:48:54] <glick> at linuxworld
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• 2595[07:49:45] <camh3> hmmm, known bug: 770538. running debootstrap again worked
• 2596[07:49:59] <camh3> so, nothing to do with this release
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• 2598[07:50:53] <Sauvin> Where are the install DVDs for amd64 for Stretch?
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• 2601[07:52:04] <glick> probably not built yet Sauvin
• 2602[07:52:08] <dax> replaced-url
• 2603[07:52:15] <gry> glick: you are probably really unhappy with your current editor
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• 2605[07:52:45] <glick> no gry its just that emacs takes a lot of getting used to
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• 2609[07:53:59] <f-a> to upgrade to stretch: 1) modify sources.list (jessie -> stretch) 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get dist-upgrade, right?
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• 2612[07:55:06] <Sauvin> !@#$!%@#$@#
• 2613[07:55:08] <glick> looks right f-a
• 2614[07:55:28] <f-a> thanks glick , first time I am dist-upgrading instead of installing straight from the CD/liveusb
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• 2619[07:57:07] * cef goes back to waiting for stretch-backports. ;)
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• 2621[07:58:21] <glick> i have come to the conclustion that with carpet and a good pillow you dont need a mattress
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• 2623[07:58:27] <glick> mattress are a waste of space and money
• 2624[07:58:43] <glick> sleeping on my carpet is soo comfortable for me
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• 2649[08:07:53] <zjoeke> hi
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• 2652[08:09:01] <zjoeke> i typed startx as root now i cant login to my account
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• 2657[08:09:57] <gry> zjoeke, why not?
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• 2659[08:10:12] <zjoeke> i tried to change username in xauthority
• 2660[08:10:54] <zjoeke> its on a loop in the loginscreen
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• 2663[08:11:51] <gry> would it be sufficient for you if i told you how to edit your file without logging into xorg?
• 2664[08:11:59] <AlexLikeRock> check the space free zjoeke
• 2665[08:12:04] <AlexLikeRock> whit command :
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• 2667[08:12:07] <AlexLikeRock> df -h
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• 2669[08:12:29] <vadimkolchev> hi guys, is stretch released as stable already?
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• 2672[08:13:18] <AlexLikeRock> yes vadimkolchev
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• 2674[08:13:56] <AlexLikeRock> replaced-url
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• 2676[08:14:24] <vadimkolchev> AlexLikeRock, still have 8.8 there, that's why I am asking
• 2677[08:14:34] <AlexLikeRock> replaced-url
• 2678[08:14:45] <AlexLikeRock> apt-get update
• 2679[08:14:49] <AlexLikeRock> ;-)
• 2680[08:14:59] <AlexLikeRock> sources.list must say " stable"
• 2681[08:15:05] <AlexLikeRock> non , "jessie"
• 2682[08:15:09] <zjoeke> yes i tried chown user:user ~/.Xauthority and mv .Xauthority .Xauthority.bakin a terminal and alt+CTRL f1 but not fixed
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• 2684[08:16:10] <AlexLikeRock> zjoeke, at TTY 1 ,
• 2685[08:16:16] <AlexLikeRock> login as user
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• 2687[08:16:27] <vadimkolchev> AlexLikeRock, thix, will look into it
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• 2689[08:17:02] <AlexLikeRock> CTRL + ALT + F1
• 2690[08:17:03] <AlexLikeRock> login
• 2691[08:17:08] <AlexLikeRock> df -h
• 2692[08:17:31] <zjoeke> ok
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• 2695[08:20:08] <zjoeke> what am i looking for?
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• 2700[08:22:53] <cef> zjoeke: were you able to use X before you did startx as root?
• 2701[08:23:06] <zjoeke> if i login as me it jumps back to login ok thats after typed sudo startx in my account
• 2702[08:23:32] <zjoeke> no its something i ried
• 2703[08:23:42] <zjoeke> tried
• 2704[08:24:27] <AlexLikeRock> zjoeke, free space for a "/"
• 2705[08:24:33] <cef> zjoeke: what did it do before you did `sudo startx`?
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• 2707[08:25:20] <zjoeke> i tried to restart xfce cus it was laggy
• 2708[08:25:53] <AlexLikeRock> Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on
• 2709[08:25:53] <AlexLikeRock> /dev/sda2 199G 186G 2.9G 99% /
• 2710[08:26:08] <AlexLikeRock> mu PC avail = 2.9 G
• 2711[08:26:14] <AlexLikeRock> my***
• 2712[08:26:23] <AlexLikeRock> what say you PC zjoeke ?
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• 2714[08:26:39] <cef> zjoeke: `df -H /`
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• 2716[08:27:37] <zjoeke> Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on
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• 2718[08:28:12] <zjoeke> a
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• 2720[08:30:05] <zjoeke> Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on
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• 2725[08:30:52] <cef> zjoeke: just paste the 2nd line.
• 2726[08:31:25] <zjoeke> it wont let me
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• 2728[08:31:31] <cef> zjoeke: or just type the number under Avail
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• 2730[08:31:46] <zjoeke> 104g
• 2731[08:31:51] <cef> heaps
• 2732[08:31:56] <AlexLikeRock> that are fine
• 2733[08:31:59] <AlexLikeRock> zjoeke,
• 2734[08:32:22] <AlexLikeRock> the space are not the problem ,
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• 2739[08:33:33] <cef> zjoeke: are you using jessie or stretch?
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• 2741[08:33:56] <zjoeke> i read sudo startx changed .Xauthority but i tried chown joe:joe ~/.Xauthority and it didnt help
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• 2744[08:35:42] <zjoeke> how do i post to pastbin again?
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• 2746[08:36:37] <cef> !paste
• 2747[08:36:37] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: replaced-url
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• 2749[08:37:07] <Hyp3ri0n> install pastebinit
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• 2751[08:37:28] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o themill
• 2752[08:37:30] *** themill changes topic to 'Debian Stretch is here: /msg dpkg stretch ; /msg dpkg jessie->stretch; /msg dpkg install stretch | Oldstable: Debian Jessie /msg dpkg jessie ; /msg dpkg 8.8 | NO FLOOD: /msg dpkg paste | /msg bots NOT people | offtopic: #debian-offtopic | testing/unstable: #debian-next (irc.oftc.net) | chanlogs: /msg dpkg irclog'
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• 2761[08:39:53] <allanitomwesh> hi everyone, i just came to enquire about debian 9 lxqt i was really anticipating it, how soon will it be out?
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• 2763[08:40:06] <zjoeke> replaced-url
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• 2766[08:41:20] <cef> zjoeke: no file in your home dir (not root)?
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• 2768[08:41:38] <zjoeke> i changed to joe joefrom root root but i stil get loginloop
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• 2770[08:42:37] <themill> allanitomwesh: Debian 9 has been released.
• 2771[08:42:40] <zjoeke> how do i check for users?
• 2772[08:43:25] <cef> zjoeke: is there a .Xauthority file in your home dir?
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• 2775[08:43:34] <AlexLikeRock> HyP3r, tanke a look parmitions
• 2776[08:43:35] <AlexLikeRock> -rw------- 1 joe joe
• 2777[08:43:38] <user__> Debian 9 image not released?
• 2778[08:43:41] <AlexLikeRock> somting wronge
• 2779[08:43:55] <cef> ie: not in /root, but /home/joe (or whatever it is)
• 2780[08:43:56] <AlexLikeRock> user__, go to debian.org
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• 2782[08:44:11] <allanitomwesh> themill: yes but there is no lxqt only lxde
• 2783[08:44:17] <AlexLikeRock> rigth cef
• 2784[08:44:26] <user__> debian-9.0.0-amd64-i386-netinst.iso 2017-06-17 17:55 625M
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• 2786[08:44:59] <user__> dats the only thing i can see there
• 2787[08:46:01] <themill> allanitomwesh: how do you figure that?
• 2788[08:46:29] <themill> ,v lxqt-core --release stretch
• 2789[08:46:30] <judd> Package: lxqt-core on amd64 -- stretch: 13
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• 2792[08:47:15] <cef> user__: tried a different mirror? The netinst is the "small" image, not necessarily what you might be after.
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• 2795[08:48:37] <allanitomwesh> themill: i just checked in the getting debian section and it is not there
• 2796[08:48:38] <Devastator> themill maybe he means an image with lxqt or in tasksel
• 2797[08:49:20] <zjoeke> no cef only a map called joe
• 2798[08:49:21] <allanitomwesh> replaced-url
• 2799[08:49:47] <Devastator> allanitomwesh you can install it after you have a base system installed
• 2800[08:49:54] <themill> allanitomwesh: you don't need a dedicated CD image to install lxqt
• 2801[08:50:33] <allanitomwesh> i've only ever installed debian from iso's
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• 2803[08:50:49] <Devastator> then use the netinst iso
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• 2806[08:51:09] <Devastator> ,kernels
• 2807[08:51:10] <judd> Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.11.0-trunk-686 (4.11.3-1~exp1); sid: 4.9.0-3-686 (4.9.30-2); stretch: 4.9.0-3-686 (4.9.30-2); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.3-686 (4.9.25-1~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.43-2); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.88-1)
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• 2814[08:52:41] <allanitomwesh> devastator: wll netinst have lxqt?
• 2815[08:53:08] <Devastator> allanitomwesh again, you just have to install a base system, then you can apt-get install lxqt
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• 2817[08:53:20] <user__> cef: "replaced-url
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• 2822[08:54:36] <allanitomwesh> so there won't be a lxqt cd?
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• 2825[08:54:47] <cef> user__: Ahh yes I can see what you mean. Hrmmm. Not sure who to poke about that.
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• 2829[08:55:16] <allanitomwesh> let me try that way then
• 2830[08:55:29] <Devastator> allanitomwesh I think only the release team I guess
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• 2833[08:56:12] <Devastator> allanitomwesh I think only the release team can answer that question I guess
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• 2835[08:56:26] <allanitomwesh> devastator: is there a way to contact them?
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• 2837[08:56:43] <Devastator> !oftc
• 2838[08:56:43] <dpkg> OFTC is the Open and Free Technology Community, a support/collaboration service. They have an IRC network: irc.oftc.net. You may be connected to OFTC's network. replaced-url
• 2839[08:56:57] <Devastator> hum
• 2840[08:57:05] <Devastator> not really the factoid I was looking
• 2841[08:57:26] <Devastator> allanitomwesh try #debian @ OFTC network as above
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• 2846[09:00:46] <allanitomwesh> okay let me try
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• 2848[09:02:24] <RoyK> Devastator: is #debian @ oftc the dev team and #debian @ freenode the usual debian chat? I don't get it
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• 2851[09:03:30] <Devastator> !tell RoyK about oftc move
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• 2855[09:04:48] <allanitomwesh> devastator: thanks i got my answer
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• 2859[09:05:44] <Devastator> welcome
• 2860[09:06:06] <zjoeke> i got this problem but changing the names didnt fix it replaced-url
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• 2862[09:07:04] <RoyK> Devastator: thanks - just a wee bit confused - there's double the amount of logged in users here than on oftc, and nothing about it in topic
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• 2866[09:07:45] <JuniusBrutus> Now that stretch has been released, sid will start getting fresher and fresher packages, right? Starting with today?
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• 2868[09:08:08] <Devastator> RoyK as you could see on the factoid, the move occured in 2006, so no need to leave that on topic still
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• 2871[09:08:47] * themill points JuniusBrutus to d-d-a
• 2872[09:09:15] <JuniusBrutus> themill, what's d-d-a?
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• 2876[09:09:59] <themill> !d-d-a
• 2877[09:10:00] <dpkg> debian-devel-announce is an announcement list to which major Debian developments are posted. If you are running releases beyond <stable>, then YOU are part of the development process; it is your responsibility to read it (no excuses!) or risk missing important announcements. "mailx -s 'subscribe' debian-devel-announce-request@lists.debian.org < /dev/null" or replaced-url
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• 2881[09:10:59] <JuniusBrutus> themill, oh please, it's just a simple question X_X
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• 2887[09:14:13] <Canucktux_> well I'm an idiot
• 2888[09:14:25] <Canucktux_> I figured out why Qemu-launcher didn't work
• 2889[09:14:44] <Canucktux_> I installed it from debian-experimental because it doesn't exist in stretch
• 2890[09:15:19] <Canucktux_> but all it's dependents are still tracking stable
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• 2894[09:17:09] <RoyK> Devastator: still, double the amount of users here
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• 2897[09:18:18] <Canucktux_> is there any way to make apt warn me if I'm installing a package only available in the wrong repo?
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• 2901[09:18:47] <jelly> Canucktux_: what does "wrong repo" mean?
• 2902[09:20:05] <Canucktux_> jelly: I have experimental added, but I have synaptics/apt prefer packages from stable unless I request it with the -t experimental flag
• 2903[09:20:19] <jelly> apt will use all the configured repos and your pinning preferences, if you explicitely tell it to install a package that only exists in experimental it will get that one
• 2904[09:20:28] <Canucktux_> precisely
• 2905[09:20:42] <Canucktux_> can I make it warn me if it only exists in experimental
• 2906[09:20:53] <jelly> Canucktux_: experimental is not meant to be used with stable anyway, so you shot yourself in the foot back when you enabled it
• 2907[09:21:05] <Canucktux_> or do I just have to be a little more vigilant installing stuff
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• 2910[09:21:21] <Canucktux_> jelly: yeah, I should've headed those warnings
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• 2912[09:21:34] <madprops> newly installed stretch is stuck at "setting up dbus" when trying to install xfce
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• 2914[09:22:06] <jelly> Canucktux_: consider having deb-src for experimental and doing local rebuilds, instead
• 2915[09:22:26] <Canucktux_> hmm, can apt build stuff for me?
• 2916[09:22:33] <jelly> no,
• 2917[09:22:34] <jelly> !ssb
• 2918[09:22:35] <dpkg> First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
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• 2922[09:25:16] <Canucktux_> cool
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• 2924[09:26:13] <Canucktux_> also did something change with unicode/emoji recently?
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• 2926[09:26:33] <Canucktux_> I have full colour emoji everywhere in firefox instead of symbola
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• 2928[09:27:19] <Canucktux_> oh wait mozilla has an emoji font now, duh doi
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• 2933[09:29:39] <iBattaglin> its here!"
• 2934[09:29:40] <iBattaglin> pffft
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• 2939[09:30:13] <Canucktux_> Most important upgrade by far 💯💯💯
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• 2942[09:30:36] <Ulrar> So I realise that it must have been asked 20 times, but I just woke up. Debian's mastodon seems to say the ISO have been pushed to the mirrors, but I still see jessie on the netinst page, am I looking in the wrong place ?
• 2943[09:30:48] <Canucktux_> shame I can't let the rest of the system use emojione mozilla instead of symbola
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• 2945[09:30:52] <Canucktux_> Ulrar: F5 harder
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• 2947[09:31:30] <Ulrar> Canucktux_: Ah, yeah, cache .. There is no iso anymore on that page, that's better :(
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• 2949[09:31:42] <Canucktux_> yeah, empty for me too
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• 2951[09:31:48] <Ulrar> Guess they aren't finished
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• 2953[09:32:06] <Canucktux_> mash that mutha fugging F5 button like your life depends on it
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• 2955[09:32:23] <Ulrar> Oh well, I'll go eat something, I'm sure they'll fix that at some point
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• 2957[09:32:45] <jelly> Ulrar: which netinst page?
• 2958[09:32:48] <Canucktux_> Ulrar: ITS HAPPENING replaced-url
• 2959[09:33:10] <Canucktux_> jelly: this one I think replaced-url
• 2960[09:33:16] <Canucktux_> cuz there's nothing there
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• 2962[09:33:32] <Ulrar> replaced-url
• 2963[09:33:35] <Ulrar> This one for me
• 2964[09:33:37] <Ulrar> But same thing
• 2965[09:33:55] <jelly> there's a link on top right of the main page; replaced-url
• 2966[09:34:05] <jelly> not multiarch, just amd64
• 2967[09:34:16] <Ulrar> Mh indeed
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• 2969[09:34:25] <Ulrar> Well that's the one I need
• 2970[09:34:29] <Ulrar> Thanks
• 2971[09:34:33] <jelly> probably, yeah
• 2972[09:34:44] <jelly> unless you need the firmware images because laptop or wifi.
• 2973[09:34:51] <Ulrar> Nah, it's for VMs
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• 2975[09:35:15] <Ulrar> I use debian on servers only anyway
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• 2980[09:38:52] <teraflops> pls permaban for those racist spammers
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• 2985[09:40:24] <moetunes> teraflops: did you have the wrong channel ?
• 2986[09:40:43] <teraflops> hmm I think so
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• 2988[09:41:24] <moetunes> k
• 2989[09:42:03] <teraflops> I meant to say it in debianofftopic but the racist spammer was here
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• 2993[09:43:08] <moetunes> it's the internet, being able to ignore ignorant people is an essential tool
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• 3000[09:44:32] <vadimkolchev> Hello, upgraded to 9 successfully, worked well for me here, but now I have tzdata package that is marked for update by apt update, but when i try upgrade/dist-upgrade it says it will be left intact. How can I investigate and find solution to this behavior?
• 3001[09:44:42] <jelly> teraflops: use !ops and point out the nickname, next time
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• 3005[09:46:04] <jelly> vadimkolchev: follow these:
• 3006[09:46:10] <jelly> !basic apt troubleshooting
• 3007[09:46:10] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
• 3008[09:46:49] <vadimkolchev> jelly, thanks, tried everything, just reinstalled tzdata manually and it seems to work. Sorry to bother you and thanks for your help.
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• 3011[09:49:14] <jelly> Ulrar: links to .iso images should be fixed now on replaced-url
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• 3024[09:55:17] <darme> i have installed rc5 stretch on my machine. do i have to update sources list or something, now when stretch is released?
• 3025[09:55:55] <cef> user__: themill fixed those links for the images on debian.org. :D
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• 3027[09:56:25] * themill didn't fix them, just found the right person to do so
• 3028[09:56:31] <jelly> darme: no, you can make sure your system is up to date
• 3029[09:56:55] <darme> ok, thank you
• 3030[09:57:17] <jelly> darme: but apt was already set up properly in the previous image
• 3031[09:58:28] <cef> themill: well, it got fixed, and that's the main thing. ;)
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• 3034[10:00:55] <darme> how often packages usually get updated? i want to set cron to upgrade my system automatically
• 3035[10:01:15] <user__> yeah :)
• 3036[10:03:09] <nix64bit> N: Skipping acquire of configured file 'main/binary-i386/Packages' as repository 'replaced-url
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• 3038[10:03:34] <nix64bit> busy updating after the release
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• 3043[10:04:56] <Ulrar> jelly: Looks good
• 3044[10:04:58] <Ulrar> Thanks
• 3045[10:04:59] <csruser> which one should i install? netinstISO CDiso DVDiso?
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• 3052[10:09:18] <Ulrar> jelly: So on the netinst CD I have "Graphical Install", then "Install" and then other things, but it seems to skip "Install"
• 3053[10:09:26] <Ulrar> I can only select Graphical Install, which is annying
• 3054[10:09:30] <Ulrar> I imagine that's a bug ?
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• 3057[10:10:30] <Ulrar> That's funny actually, I can't select help either
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• 3060[10:11:19] <cef> Ulrar: which netinst image did you use?
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• 3063[10:11:34] <Ulrar> cef: The one on the front page of debian.org
• 3064[10:11:37] <Ulrar> Top right
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• 3067[10:12:52] <cef> Ulrar: what does it say on the link for you? I think that link is picked up from your browser depending on what machine you have.
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• 3069[10:13:05] <Ulrar> cef: Nevermind, it's my browser
• 3070[10:13:08] <Ulrar> Works fine in firefox
• 3071[10:13:10] <Ulrar> That's weird ..
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• 3074[10:13:40] <corner_cubicle> On running apt-get update after changing my /etc/apt/sources.list from jessie to stretch, I'm getting a 'no public key available' error for the following key : EF0F382A1A7B6500. Is this normal?
• 3075[10:13:57] <leibniz> hey i bought a dns
• 3076[10:14:05] <leibniz> and it appears to be pointing at my box
• 3077[10:14:17] <leibniz> but i can't get it to work with weechat
• 3078[10:14:19] <leibniz> :O
• 3079[10:14:44] <Ulrar> leibniz: I don't think any of that has anything to do with debian :)
• 3080[10:14:55] <leibniz> yea i'm running debian
• 3081[10:14:56] <Ulrar> But being a user of weechat myself, I have no idea what you mean
• 3082[10:14:58] <leibniz> :O
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• 3084[10:15:14] <leibniz> i was thinking i had to chance hosts.conf
• 3085[10:15:19] <leibniz> or resolv.conf
• 3086[10:15:20] <Ulrar> leibniz: Do you mean your reverse ?
• 3087[10:15:25] <leibniz> yea
• 3088[10:15:27] <leibniz> rdms
• 3089[10:15:29] <leibniz> rdns
• 3090[10:15:36] <Ulrar> You need to contact your ISP to change that
• 3091[10:15:46] <leibniz> what do you mean
• 3092[10:16:01] <Ulrar> The reverse DNS is set by whoever is giving you that IP
• 3093[10:16:13] <leibniz> ok
• 3094[10:16:34] <Ulrar> Most residential ISP I know of don't let you change that
• 3095[10:16:38] <Ulrar> But who knows about yours
• 3096[10:17:03] <Ulrar> (Well, assuming weechat is running in your home and not on a server somewhere in a datacenter, ofcourse)
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• 3104[10:19:35] <zdsjqzrlbo> :party:
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• 3109[10:20:17] <uniTosch> \o/
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• 3120[10:26:34] <fdsfjo> I installed debian stretch when it was in testing (freeze) a month ago, and now i changed sources.list to stable, is it ok or is better to reinstall the system from scratch?
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• 3124[10:27:36] <uniTosch> you don't need to reinstall, but it would be advisable to put stretch in your sources.list instead of testing or stable.
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• 3130[10:30:26] <petn-randall> fdsfjo: What uniTosch said. Always use the release name, unless you want a surprise dist-upgrade.
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• 3133[10:31:24] <Voldenet> So I see debian stretch was released and I got a HL
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• 3136[10:31:31] <Voldenet> Nice! ;-)
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• 3151[10:41:58] <fdsfjo> uniTosch: thanks :)
• 3152[10:42:04] <fdsfjo> petn-randall: thanks 2u2
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• 3190[11:03:51] <circle777> hey guys
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• 3192[11:04:13] <circle777> active?
• 3193[11:04:41] <circle777> im pretty new to irc so just help me out
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• 3195[11:04:52] <nkuttler> just ask your debian question
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• 3197[11:05:11] <circle777> oh
• 3198[11:05:20] <circle777> does this have more sub-sections?
• 3199[11:05:40] <circle777> does the tree expand more>
• 3200[11:06:02] <nkuttler> this? tree?
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• 3202[11:06:37] <circle777> i mean, is this as deep as it goes? are there any more subsections for more dedicated topics?
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• 3204[11:07:00] <abrotman> circle777: yes, but we'd have to direct you there
• 3205[11:07:08] <circle777> of
• 3206[11:07:28] <circle777> oh* I was just a discord guy even after switching for linux for an year
• 3207[11:07:29] <abrotman> Generally, you ask a question, and if there's a better place, we'll direct you there
• 3208[11:07:38] <circle777> finally decided come here
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• 3210[11:08:06] <circle777> the bold text... So you an admin @abrotman ?
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• 3212[11:09:00] <nkuttler> circle777: that doesn't really matter. do you have a debian question we can help you with?
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• 3215[11:10:28] <circle777> nope, sorry for disturbing you guys, just wanted to test this thing. No question right now. just wanted to join a populated channel thats all.
• 3216[11:10:37] <uniTosch> you can ask #freenode about general usecase stuff.
• 3217[11:11:19] <nkuttler> and ##chat for generic chatter
• 3218[11:11:46] <circle777> oh thanks, ill check that out. i wanted to give irssi a shot but wanted to try out some gui client first (hexchat)
• 3219[11:11:52] <circle777> recommend something else?
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• 3222[11:13:16] <circle777> but with 1.5k people connected to a channel doesent it get difficult to chat with a perticular group of people?
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• 3224[11:14:27] <uniTosch> not if people keep it to support questions ^^
• 3225[11:15:39] <petn-randall> circle777: Usually people ask questions in here, and most people just read the backlog and respond if they can answer it. Even though IRC is realtime in the sense of how fast it gets delayed, it's pretty much async regarding communication between people.
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• 3227[11:16:16] <petn-randall> circle777: That means you might get your question answered an hour or two later (or sometimes even the next day), depending on the size of the channel.
• 3228[11:17:49] <Nik05> goodmorning and congratulations
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• 3233[11:18:37] <circle777> oh cool
• 3234[11:19:03] <circle777> is it possible to check out the log if its possible? jsut to see hwat it looks like? (hexchat)
• 3235[11:19:32] <petn-randall> circle777: What looks like?
• 3236[11:19:45] <circle777> the entire log..
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• 3238[11:20:04] <petn-randall> circle777: There's no backlog feature built into IRC. But there are some public webpages that log IRC. Just google for it.
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• 3240[11:20:22] <circle777> oh ok thanks...
• 3241[11:20:32] <uniTosch> or look in the topic.
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• 3243[11:20:42] <circle777> so i just post a question right here and i will be reverted to?
• 3244[11:21:13] <Nik05> well if you have a questuin about debian, ask it here
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• 3246[11:23:26] <BluesKaj> Hey all
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• 3250[11:26:07] <Haxxa> I guys I'm updating to stretch but I'm getting the msg: There are no public keys available for the following IDs:
• 3251[11:26:09] <circle777> I have downloaded popcorntime tarball from their official site. So after extracting it there are just random files along with an executable file. Using sudo ./Popcorn-Time launches the app well and its all good. The readme just has the info to run it directly. I want to be able to add it to my apps list so I can then favorite it and have it on my gnome dock. Is it possible?
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• 3253[11:26:38] <teraflops> circle777: you did not read the topic, didnt you?
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• 3258[11:27:52] <petn-randall> Hi Haxxa, from which release are you upgrading from? What commands did you type? What is the complete output you got?
• 3259[11:28:01] <circle777> not sure. im pretty new. forgive me if its against the rules..
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• 3261[11:28:32] <SuperTramp83> circle777, why would you run it with sudo?
• 3262[11:29:32] <spacebug^> replaced-url
• 3263[11:29:38] <Haxxa> petn-randall, up to date debian 8.8 -> I changed the apt sources to stretch and then typed 'sudo apt-get update', output ' There are no public keys available for the following IDs: EF0F382A1A7B6500'
• 3264[11:29:47] <circle777> just a bad habbit
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• 3268[11:30:41] <petn-randall> Haxxa: The key should be in 8.8. You did an 'apt update' followed by an 'apt upgrade' before you changed the sources?
• 3269[11:31:03] <Haxxa> petn-randall, correct
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• 3278[11:32:45] <Haxxa> any recommended practices after upgrading?
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• 3280[11:33:00] <ansgar> petn-randall: No, the stretch keys are not in jessie's debian-archive-keyring.
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• 3282[11:33:26] <ansgar> Though the release is signed by keys in jessie's keyring.
• 3283[11:33:30] <Haxxa> makes sense then
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• 3287[11:34:29] <petn-randall> ansgar: Oh right, just verified the id against the list.
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• 3291[11:37:30] <xormor> replaced-url
• 3292[11:37:40] <ansgar> Haxxa: The Release file is signed by multiple keys, one is not known to Jessie's apt. It should still validate the other signatures and be happy.
• 3293[11:37:42] <nix64bit> goodness it says I am missing nvidia firmware?
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• 3298[11:38:19] <nix64bit> nothing seems broken
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• 3302[11:39:49] <nix64bit> 'replaced-url
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• 3305[11:40:10] <nix64bit> should i just remove the source?
• 3306[11:40:29] <xormor> can I use the Debian version of quilt to patch the source code of the Debian version of omega-rpg?
• 3307[11:41:14] <ansgar> nix64bit: Well, do you use the repository?
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• 3310[11:42:13] <nix64bit> I wasnt even aware it was there
• 3311[11:42:21] <ElDiabolo> Ist there a way to see the output of an apt-get running in another terminal.
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• 3314[11:42:56] <ansgar> ElDiabolo: Run stuff in tmux or screen?
• 3315[11:43:00] <uniTosch> by using a terminal multiplexer like gnu screen.
• 3316[11:43:15] <ElDiabolo> ansgar, After apt-get has started?
• 3317[11:43:29] <nix64bit> ansgar: is there a quick way to find where the repository lives?
• 3318[11:44:53] <ansgar> ElDiabolo: Ah, that not.
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• 3322[11:45:29] <BluesKaj> nix64bit, the mirror or the /etc/apt/sources.list ?
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• 3325[11:45:41] <BluesKaj> :-)
• 3326[11:45:42] <ansgar> nix64bit: I think there was a program to show which repository installed packages might come from... apt-show-version maybe?
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• 3328[11:46:23] <nix64bit> ansgar: I have found it it looks like it is part of the nightly updates?
• 3329[11:46:25] <BluesKaj> nix64bit, usually the package manger has those details
• 3330[11:46:37] <BluesKaj> manager*
• 3331[11:47:02] <nix64bit> here /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ring-nightly-man.list
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• 3333[11:47:53] <OnkelTem> Congrats guys
• 3334[11:47:55] <OnkelTem> with D9
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• 3336[11:48:12] <uniTosch> nix64bit: you want to know which packages are installed from that repository?
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• 3338[11:48:41] <nix64bit> uniTosch: no i dont know how it got there
• 3339[11:48:47] <Aebian> migrating mysql from jessie to stretch takes longer then expected... anyone got that error too? replaced-url
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• 3341[11:48:56] <nix64bit> i mean yes i do want to know
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• 3343[11:49:33] <uniTosch> aptitude search '?narrow(?installed, ?origin(ring))'
• 3344[11:50:11] <Nik05> uniTosch I guess thats ~S~i~A ?
• 3345[11:50:14] <jimjamjim> I got this warning after apt update.. There is no public key available for the following key IDs
• 3346[11:50:21] <jimjamjim> what should i do?
• 3347[11:50:35] <petn-randall> !bat
• 3348[11:50:35] <Nik05> Do you have the keyrings installed?
• 3349[11:50:35] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
• 3350[11:50:38] <petn-randall> jimjamjim: ^^^
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• 3352[11:51:05] <nix64bit> uniTosch: came back empty
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• 3355[11:52:10] <ansgar> jimjamjim: If you upgrade from Jessie to Stretch: stretch's Release is signed by several keys, one of which is unknown to jessie (as debian-archive-keyring is not updated yet). apt will emit a warning, but use the other keys to validate the Release file (and not complain about using an untrusted source).
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• 3357[11:52:24] <nix64bit> well I have commented it out and apt update is happy
• 3358[11:52:26] <ansgar> jimjamjim: So you can just ignore it.
• 3359[11:52:30] <uniTosch> nix64bit: some packages might be obsolete. if it comes back empty after an upgrade you can just remove the repository.
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• 3362[11:53:19] <nix64bit> uniTosch: well i commented it out, should I remove it
• 3363[11:53:53] <uniTosch> commenting it out is as good as removing it.
• 3364[11:53:58] <nix64bit> :)
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• 3366[11:55:36] <jimjamjim> ansgar: apt-get install debian-keyring debian-archive-keyring
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• 3368[11:55:48] <jimjamjim> ansgar: this fixed the issue
• 3369[11:55:57] <Aebian> can I tell apt-get to ignore a package? the upgrade of mariadb fails but even on sudo apt-get autoremove its getting triggered
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• 3386[12:03:23] <hellyeah> hey i try to mount iphone on my debian system. I got this error usermod: group 'fuse' does not exist. Follow that instruction replaced-url
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• 3388[12:04:04] <gardy> i get public key error when i try to upgrade sources.list from jessie to stretch
• 3389[12:04:52] <babilen> hellyeah: Did you follow those instructions? And if so: What did you do?
• 3390[12:04:54] <gardy> public keys arent available, and then it give me some EFOF*
• 3391[12:05:08] <gardy> so, where i use it and how
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• 3394[12:06:12] <hellyeah> babilen: i did this step "aptitude install libimobiledevice-utils gvfs-backends gvfs-bin gvfs-fuse " and ucomment user_allow_other. and try to add myself to fuse group then got that error.
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• 3397[12:06:50] <babilen> Ah, that information might be old. That group shouldn't be needed anymore.
• 3398[12:07:02] <hellyeah> ah
• 3399[12:07:13] <hellyeah> okey then i skipped that step
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• 3402[12:07:21] <dna> With the new upgrade did stretch become the new stable version?
• 3403[12:07:34] <babilen> dna: It did, yes
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• 3405[12:07:57] <hellyeah> babilen: is there up to date tutorial for mounting iphone ?
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• 3407[12:08:26] <hellyeah> still got unhandled lockdown error
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• 3409[12:09:00] <babilen> hellyeah: I don't really know. Can you mount it now that you've installed those packages?
• 3410[12:09:00] *** debhelper sets mode: +l 1700
• 3411[12:09:12] <hellyeah> still same error
• 3412[12:09:18] <babilen> Did you relogin to your session? What is the error?
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• 3414[12:09:38] <hellyeah> i dint relogin let me try that
• 3415[12:09:39] <babilen> Note that I haven't touched an iPhone in my entire life let alone trying to get it connected to Debian :)
• 3416[12:09:48] <hellyeah> error is unhandled lockdown error (-20)
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• 3420[12:10:02] <hellyeah> i am android guy
• 3421[12:10:06] <hellyeah> let me try it
• 3422[12:10:09] <wr> will wiki's be updated soon? replaced-url
• 3423[12:10:32] <dna> How often are stable updates released?
• 3424[12:10:38] <ofg|brtr> I am trying to get connected to new debian 8.6 server but I receive Permission Denied
• 3425[12:10:49] <hellyeah> dna i using -t jessie-backports
• 3426[12:11:05] <ofg|brtr> I saw there is a PAM in sshd_config but I don't know if that is the problem.
• 3427[12:11:09] <ofg|brtr> Could you help me?
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• 3429[12:11:14] <hellyeah> i suggest you to use that option when you install packages
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• 3433[12:11:42] <babilen> hellyeah: I've also seen ifuse in the archive, might address your issue also
• 3434[12:11:56] <babilen> dna: You should upgrade it as often as you can
• 3435[12:12:05] <dna> even the stable version?
• 3436[12:12:21] <babilen> Sure, all upgrades will be security related
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• 3438[12:12:23] <babilen> dpkg: stable
• 3439[12:12:23] <dpkg> [stable] The status of a Debian release when no packages will be added or version-bumped, and changes will only fix security issues and critical bugs. Packages can be removed in rare circumstances. The current stable version of Debian is Stretch (9.0); ask me about <releases>. Security bugs are fixed in stable by backporting the fix to the stable version (ask me about <security backports>). replaced-url
• 3440[12:12:40] <dna> thanks
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• 3442[12:12:59] <babilen> dna: There shouldn't be too many upgrades, but you can assume that every upgrade that is being offered is important
• 3443[12:13:15] <dna> one more thing
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• 3447[12:14:06] <dna> does testing leave some repositories Behind?
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• 3449[12:15:08] <babilen> dna: I don't quite follow. For stretch (i.e. current stable) your sources.list should look like replaced-url
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• 3452[12:16:01] <babilen> If you have references to "testing" in your sources.list you would upgrade to the current testing named "buster"
• 3453[12:16:11] <dna> Everything that was in testing is now added into stable right?
• 3454[12:16:49] <babilen> Everything that was in stretch is in stretch. The "testing" symlink now points to "buster" while the "stable" one points to "stretch"
• 3455[12:17:12] <babilen> .. [at the time of the release] ..
• 3456[12:17:36] <dna> Since i've downloaded every testing upgrade i'm not sure if my stable version is now a genuine stable version
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• 3458[12:18:20] <babilen> dna: Could you paste your sources.list ? The easiest way to get that information would be by running the following command: head -v -n -0 /etc/apt/sources.list{,.d/*}
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• 3462[12:21:10] <dna> I'm in stretch
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• 3465[12:22:23] <babilen> dna: Well, okay .. if you don't want to share that information I have to take your word for it. Assuming your sources.list is setup correctly and that you have installed the latest upgrades you would be on "proper" stretch
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• 3470[12:23:54] <dna> previously i was in testing (stretch) but i'm fine being in stable. Should i make a fresh installation or i'm fine?
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• 3484[12:29:19] <webuser5224> I installed stretch with gnome and now I do not have a start menu anymore
• 3485[12:29:27] <webuser5224> When I upgraded from jessie to stretch, I still had it
• 3486[12:29:30] <webuser5224> Does anyone know why?
• 3487[12:29:36] <hassoon> stretch :O
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• 3492[12:30:23] <webuser5224> Ah, I guess gnome is like that ugly unity gui
• 3493[12:30:31] <webuser5224> I think I used xfce on the other installation
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• 3495[12:31:39] <BluesKaj> running kde/plasma on stretch here, no DE issues
• 3496[12:32:06] <webuser5224> I think it's gnome that does not have an applications menu
• 3497[12:32:08] <webuser5224> Wow, this is horrible
• 3498[12:32:31] <teraflops> webuser5224: go complain to #gnome
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• 3501[12:32:46] <spacebug^> webuser5224: you can enable that
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• 3504[12:33:45] <hramrach> but there are too amny things in gnome that you cannot enable no matter what
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• 3509[12:34:24] <jimjamjim> what should I include in my sources.list
• 3510[12:34:37] <webuser5224> Can I switch to xfce without problems or should I reinstall everything?
• 3511[12:35:01] <at0m> webuser5224: just install xfce and then pick your DE on login
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• 3516[12:35:54] <at0m> dna: you were fine on testing. you're fine in stable now. you remain in Stretch. you're just fine.
• 3517[12:36:14] <at0m> reinstall is for when your disk crashes ;p
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• 3523[12:38:00] <dna> ok thanks
• 3524[12:38:15] <hassoon> should i really upgrade to stretch
• 3525[12:38:17] <hassoon> ?
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• 3527[12:38:24] <sjamaan> Hi all
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• 3529[12:38:25] <hassoon> i mean jessie is woring pretty fine
• 3530[12:38:25] <jimjamjim> what should I include in my sources.list
• 3531[12:38:36] <hassoon> why should i care to upgrade
• 3532[12:39:10] <at0m> dpkg: tell jimjamjim about sources.list
• 3533[12:39:19] <sjamaan> I just upgraded my first box from jessie to stretch. Noticed that the network interface got renamed from eth0 to ens3. Could someone add that to the upgrade notes? That's a pretty big pitfall when upgrading remote machines (need to pull up the console)
• 3534[12:39:43] <sjamaan> Due to this, I guess: replaced-url
• 3535[12:40:18] <sjamaan> So you need to edit /etc/network/interfaces to fix that, because by default the "new" interface won't be brought up
• 3536[12:40:35] <_Noble_Turk_> hi
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• 3569[12:51:16] <jimjamjim> I cant find the virtualbox package.. was it removed?
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• 3572[12:52:50] <at0m> ,v virtualbox
• 3573[12:52:51] <judd> Package: virtualbox on amd64 -- wheezy-security: 4.1.42-dfsg-1+deb7u1; wheezy: 4.1.42-dfsg-1+deb7u1; wheezy-backports/contrib: 4.3.36-dfsg-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1; jessie-security/contrib: 4.3.36-dfsg-1+deb8u1; jessie/contrib: 4.3.36-dfsg-1+deb8u1; jessie-backports/contrib: 5.1.8-dfsg-6~bpo8+2; sid/contrib: 5.1.22-dfsg-1
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• 3575[12:53:12] <at0m> seems it's not in stretch, indeed
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• 3579[12:53:47] <jimjamjim> replaced-url
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• 3583[12:54:40] <jimjamjim> at0m: but why?
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• 3591[12:58:15] <Nik05> jimjamjim replaced-url
• 3592[12:58:16] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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• 3595[12:59:52] <xochilpili> hi all
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• 3597[13:00:01] <Haxxa> Hey, So I updated my debian VM via shellinthebox which crashed when I ran apt-get dist-upgrade, in there a way to recover the shell via ssh?
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• 3600[13:01:06] <xochilpili> is there a way to install latest lightdm ?
• 3601[13:01:16] <ChunkzZ> is the net install debian stretch?
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• 3607[13:02:27] <Nik05> ChunkzZ if the name is debian-9.0.0-X-netinst.iso, yes
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• 3617[13:04:06] <Gravious> woooooo new debian! :D
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• 3619[13:05:09] <xormor> I have made a change to omega-rpg's source code. How do I use quilt to patch the omega-rpg source code or the actual binary package of omega-rpg (the game)?
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• 3624[13:06:25] <teraflops> you cannot patch binaries
• 3625[13:07:12] <teraflops> xormor: use quilt the same way you use it for patching any other source
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• 3628[13:09:57] <sjamaan> hm, that's odd
• 3629[13:10:09] <sjamaan> When rebooting with the new kernel, eth0 is back under that name
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• 3654[13:27:15] <xormor> teraflops, does the patch apply to my computer locally only, or does it get into the source repos?
• 3655[13:27:17] <Haxxa> Hi Guys, debian displays all spaces as unicode squares, I have reconfigured my locales any ideas to fix this issue
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• 3657[13:27:47] <teraflops> xormor: did you even use quilt?
• 3658[13:27:55] <xormor> teraflops, yes, I did.
• 3659[13:27:59] <teraflops> ok
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• 3661[13:28:25] <teraflops> xormor: grab the source apply the patches in a row and build the debian package
• 3662[13:28:44] <xormor> teraflops, ok...
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• 3664[13:28:46] <teraflops> all locally
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• 3666[13:28:49] <xormor> teraflops, "quilt add guild2.c"
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• 3668[13:29:56] <teraflops> xormor: it wasnt my intention to offend you, it's just the question sounded pertinent to me
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• 3670[13:30:14] <xormor> teraflops, I am not offended, I am confused...
• 3671[13:30:23] <teraflops> ah, ok
• 3672[13:30:24] <xormor> teraflops, "quilt mail --send debian/patches/fix-make-clean --sender friberg.lauri@gmail.com --subject "omega-rpg guild2.c"" does not work.
• 3673[13:30:38] <xormor> teraflops, I am a total newbie to quilt.
• 3674[13:30:41] <teraflops> xormor: I never used quilt that way, I do all the stuff locally
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• 3679[13:33:00] <xormor> teraflops, I think I will put Finnish messages after the English messages and make a new translated version of omega-rpg. It will, at least at first, have the English and Finnish messages displayed on the same line - English first, then Finnish.
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• 3681[13:33:44] <xormor> teraflops, I am thinking of making my own fork, a Finnish-translated version of Omega (Role Playing Game, "Roolipeli" in Finnish).
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• 3684[13:33:55] <abrotman> Haxxa: and logged out/logged in?
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• 3687[13:34:47] <Haxxa> abrotman, it turned out to be the client not debian -.-
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• 3689[13:35:03] <teraflops> xormor: whatever you do for improving a debian package is welcome, but I really never dealt with quilt for sending the patches to upstream or whenever debian is located on the river, so I'm clueless
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• 3692[13:36:11] <abrotman> ok
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• 3703[13:42:42] <xormor> teraflops, replaced-url
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• 3707[13:43:05] <xormor> teraflops, "medic" is "lääkintämies" (medic man)
• 3708[13:43:41] <xormor> teraflops, I used the word "kanttiini" for "the refrectory", I think it might be cantin or cantine in some Indo-Germanic languages.
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• 3721[13:52:23] <vadimkolchev> asdf
• 3722[13:52:38] <abrotman> jkl;
• 3723[13:52:55] <vadimkolchev> abrotman, lol)
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• 3743[14:04:14] <ChunkzZ1> where do I submit bug reports?
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• 3746[14:05:34] <darme> ChunkzZ1, theres reportbug package in official repository
• 3747[14:05:46] <darme> its interactive
• 3748[14:06:07] <darme> but you should google how to use it
• 3749[14:06:14] <ChunkzZ1> darme, thanks.
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• 3752[14:08:41] <ChunkzZ1> what do I need to install to get thunar to see network shares?
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• 3756[14:11:05] <sh00p> ChunkzZ: gvfs-fuse something
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• 3758[14:11:17] <Eryn_1983_FL> Congratulations on a new version birthing Debian!
• 3759[14:11:22] <Eryn_1983_FL> GJGJ
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• 3762[14:11:51] <sh00p> or maybe backend
• 3763[14:11:53] <sh00p> i dont remember :(
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• 3772[14:15:00] <BluesKaj> Stretch was born long ago, it's now walking with stability:-)
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• 3774[14:15:20] <BluesKaj> Eryn_1983_FL,^
• 3775[14:15:44] <vadimkolchev> Where are the path preferences stored? Need to add path for user to execute some apps that are currently not under it. What is the best way to do it?
• 3776[14:16:06] <Eryn_1983_FL> :)
• 3777[14:16:52] <towo`> vadimkolchev, in ~/.profile
• 3778[14:17:19] <vadimkolchev> towo`, thx, will look there
• 3779[14:17:58] <vadimkolchev> towo`, if this file does not exist apparently in home, should I create it?
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• 3794[14:26:29] <greycat> When does replaced-url
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• 3803[14:32:16] <la_mettrie> after upgrading to stretch, GUI won't start. after a text-login has been shown after the boot, i get just a blank screen. my gfx card is nvidia geforce 9400 gt. have you heard anybody else having similar issues?
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• 3806[14:33:01] <towo`> la_mettrie, paste the Xorg.0.log
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• 3808[14:33:27] <babilen> Also: How did you install the nvidia drivers in the past?
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• 3811[14:34:36] <greycat> use Ctrl-Alt-F2 to get to a text console (hopefully)
• 3812[14:35:11] <jelly> greycat: [replaced-url
• 3813[14:35:33] <greycat> oh, I had to press Ctrl-R to make it actually refresh. :-/
• 3814[14:35:40] <greycat> How rude.
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• 3825[14:41:55] <anjum> Okay, so just upgraded. Now - it seems like whenever I scroll, occasionally the window flickers with black.
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• 3829[14:42:36] <greycat> Which graphics chipset(s), and did you check that you have no firmware errors in dmesg?
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• 3837[14:44:55] <anjum> 'Mobility Radeon HD 4330/4350/4550', typing in 'dmesg' reports 'dmesg: read kernel buffer failed: Operation not permitted'.
• 3838[14:45:15] <greycat> su -c dmesg | grep -i firmware
• 3839[14:45:32] <greycat> (or sudo instead of su -c, if you prefer sudo)
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• 3845[14:47:30] <anjum> It reports this replaced-url
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• 3848[14:48:12] <greycat> well, that's good -- it found all the radeon firmware it wanted
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• 3852[14:50:07] <anjum> Indeed. Wondering if this is a known issue with xorg-radeon or something.
• 3853[14:50:31] <manenomomn> hey guys: i installed strech today, and noticed that /home partition was 100% used. It's due to .xsession-errors.old spams out "xmmsc_io_in_handle was called although the xmms2 daemon is not connected"
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• 3856[14:51:26] <manenomomn> =/ only installed streamtuner2, radio via apt
• 3857[14:52:32] <greycat> Is xmms2-core installed?
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• 3861[14:53:26] <greycat> If it is, you could just add "xmms2-launcher" to your X startup config (and run it now, to make the daemon go)
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• 3867[14:55:00] <manenomomn> xmms2-core is already the newest version (0.8+dfsg-18).
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• 3871[14:55:53] <toogley> i can't use libressl in debian, right?
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• 3880[14:58:38] <kites> hey, i guess alsa-base is no more in stretch.
• 3881[14:59:03] <kites> how can i get the sound working? before apt-get install alsa-base was enough.
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• 3883[14:59:48] <greycat> I have working sound on stretch (upgraded from jessie) with just alsa-utils and xmms2-plugin-alsa installed
• 3884[14:59:48] <toogley> kites: i think you need to install pulseaudio?
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• 3890[15:00:05] <greycat> You only need pulseaudio if you use something that needs pulseaudio.
• 3891[15:00:17] <kites> toogley: but doesnt pulseaudio also requires alsa
• 3892[15:01:04] <toogley> hm. okay then i don't know
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• 3894[15:01:29] <greycat> aplay is in alsa-utils
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• 3896[15:02:21] <grumble> is running 'apt-get install' enough to ensure I have no outstanding unconfigured/broken packages or unresolved dependencies?
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• 3898[15:03:29] <greycat> apt-get -f install; dpkg --configure -a
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• 3906[15:05:29] <citypw> replaced-url
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• 3914[15:07:11] <manenomomn> Thanks greycat! Partition usage dropped from 100% to 1% =)
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• 3923[15:09:31] <JyZyXEL> packages.debian.org still says jessie(stable)
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• 3951[15:20:57] <shtrb> Is there a debian repository have mod_tile for buster (mentors or something like that) (full name is libapache2-mod-tile) ?
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• 3970[15:28:12] <darme> when i do apt update, there is slight delay before downloading list of packages from my mirror. It shows Working 0% for few seconds. I have tried switching mirrors, same happens. Do you experience the same?
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• 3987[15:36:04] <_root_> hello
• 3988[15:36:13] <Fahrradkette> I get a pgp error after changing jessie to stable in my sources.list. the key which cant be found is in /var/lib/apt/lists/http.debian.net_debian_dists_stable_Release.gpg
• 3989[15:36:24] <_root_> I need a debian mininal no X and gui for my server.
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• 3991[15:36:45] <_root_> what iso should I get. could you share the link please?
• 3992[15:37:03] <Fahrradkette> _root_ go for the netinstall one
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• 3995[15:38:08] <greycat> !netinst
• 3996[15:38:08] <dpkg> extra, extra, read all about it, netinst is a small CD image with which you can install Debian. If, during the installation process you have a working Internet connection, you can install more packages straight away, otherwise, you will have a base install and more packages later. See replaced-url
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• 3998[15:39:24] <la_mettrie> here is my Xorg.0.log if you happen to understand if it tells something about why GUI won't load after upgrading to Stretch replaced-url
• 3999[15:39:26] <shtrb> _root_ , use netinstall
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• 4007[15:43:10] <_root_> shtrb, Fahrradkette ; thanks
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• 4009[15:44:46] <themill> Fahrradkette: you should use 'stretch' not 'stable' in your sources.list
• 4010[15:45:14] <Fahrradkette> so just change it over from jessie to stretch?
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• 4012[15:45:35] <themill> yes, that's the upgrade you're trying to do
• 4013[15:45:40] <shtrb> Fahrradkette , there would be some small changes you may need to do
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• 4015[15:46:03] <shtrb> in scripts , and how you behave (what you are use to )
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• 4018[15:47:28] <shtrb> Fahrradkette , replaced-url
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• 4022[15:48:28] <Fahrradkette> thanks for the pointers:)
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• 4030[15:52:09] <dunderproto> I forgot stretch came out today, I should pick it up
• 4031[15:52:26] <dunderproto> came out a few days ago*
• 4032[15:52:39] <greycat> one day ago
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• 4034[15:53:40] <nix64bit> is there anything interesting and new in stretch?
• 4035[15:54:04] <shtrb> Do I really need to swtich to stretch-debug if I wish to have debug or there is some other folder ?
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• 4037[15:54:16] <shtrb> nix64bit, replaced-url
• 4038[15:54:25] <themill> shtrb: s/switch to/add/
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• 4041[15:54:55] <nix64bit> thnks
• 4042[15:55:01] <shtrb> themill ,thanks
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• 4048[15:57:37] <shtrb> themill , there shouldn't be i386 debug packages ?
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• 4051[15:57:50] <themill> why not?
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• 4053[15:58:10] <shtrb> sorry , wrong channel it's for debian-next
• 4054[15:58:17] <shtrb> an issue on sid
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• 4056[15:58:44] <likcoras> I'm trying to dualboot with windows 7 on a UEFI-GPT system. I understand that the first partition created by Windows will be the EFI partition, but I'm not sure if I have to create a separate /boot partition.
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• 4059[15:59:15] <john_rambo> Is there something I can do about this >>> replaced-url
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• 4061[15:59:33] <nikow> likcoras: Yes, you should.
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• 4063[15:59:44] <jasonwc> I'm trying to get Xorg to start as a non-root user (using GDM3 and GNOME) but htop shows Xorg is running as root. The "New in Stretch" Release notes indicate that logind is needed, but I don't see such a package, nor a systemd-logind.
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• 4065[15:59:48] <likcoras> Ah, alright. It doesn't matter if it isn't the second partition on the disk, right?
• 4066[15:59:58] <nikow> likcoras: And if you have, i recommend 1GB for it, not lke creator suggests.
• 4067[16:00:11] <likcoras> 1GB for /boot? How come?
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• 4071[16:00:31] <nikow> likcoras: It must be one of the primary partitions - from 1 to 4
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• 4073[16:00:57] <likcoras> Does gpt have a concept of "primary partition"?
• 4074[16:00:58] <nikow> likcoras: 1GB is good, because you can have multiple core numbers at once
• 4075[16:01:15] <likcoras> I thought that was with msdos partition tables only.
• 4076[16:01:34] <likcoras> My current /boot is 512MiB and is using like 24MiB.
• 4077[16:01:48] <analogical> If only Debain shipped with Virtualbox Guest Additions included :D
• 4078[16:01:49] <likcoras> Why would it need to be even larger?
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• 4080[16:02:25] <shtrb> nikow , I think you can have ~256 mb (I think it was the minimum size allowed)
• 4081[16:02:44] <shtrb> analogical , I think you had that in jess
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• 4085[16:03:09] <nikow> likcoras: Because later you can want have two or three versions of kernel.
• 4086[16:03:24] <nikow> likcoras: Because you do not want endup without working version :D
• 4087[16:03:40] <AlexPortable> I have a tool here which allows me to use virtualisation and get some information like all processes, but is it possible to disable this in the guest os?
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• 4089[16:03:51] <likcoras> Eh, I'm going to be on stable, and I've never felt the need to compile my own kernels/etc., why would I need to install more than 1 kernel version?
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• 4091[16:04:17] <likcoras> And even then, my /boot that is half the size is only 6% full, 1GiB feels a bit exessive.
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• 4093[16:04:24] <likcoras> excessive*
• 4094[16:04:29] <nikow> likcoras: As i said, i do not trust new kernels. :)
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• 4096[16:05:10] <dvs> likcoras, 250MB is plenty for /boot
• 4097[16:05:18] <greycat> on an upgrade, you'll typically have the old + new kernels installed simultaneously, and you can fall back to the old one just in case something goes pear-shaped
• 4098[16:05:38] <likcoras> ,v linux-image-amd64
• 4099[16:05:39] <judd> Package: linux-image-amd64 on amd64 -- wheezy: 3.2+46; wheezy-backports: 3.16+63~bpo70+1; jessie: 3.16+63; jessie-backports: 4.9+80~bpo8+1; sid: 4.9+80; stretch: 4.9+80; buster: 4.9+80
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• 4101[16:05:59] <dvs> where's buster?!?
• 4102[16:06:24] <nikow> Sometime you just not see when new kernel does something funky with your headphones or external display
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• 4104[16:07:05] <themill> dvs: where do you want it to be?
• 4105[16:07:34] <dvs> themill, well, just to show up in version lookups.
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• 4109[16:07:42] <likcoras> Meh, didn't have any problems when I was messing around with stretch a while back. I don't think they'll have obvious problems on my hardware. It's relatively not new, so I doubt it.
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• 4111[16:08:00] <likcoras> buster: 4.9+80 < it says right there
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• 4119[16:09:01] <likcoras> If it fails, I always have my backups!
• 4120[16:09:24] <likcoras> "The next release of Debian is codenamed "buster" — release planned for 17 June 2017 "
• 4121[16:09:25] <likcoras> Hrm.
• 4122[16:09:36] <nikow> Backups! I was going to make a backup! :D
• 4123[16:09:41] <dvs> yeah, that's what I mean! ;-)
• 4124[16:09:42] <likcoras> Did they just s/stretch/buster/g over the entire website or something?
• 4125[16:09:55] <themill> URL or it didn't happen
• 4126[16:09:55] <likcoras> Do I report this somewhere or...
• 4127[16:09:59] <likcoras> replaced-url
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• 4130[16:10:24] <cybrNaut> stable ppl: is openvz a good way to deal with being out-of-date?
• 4131[16:10:26] <sypher> Haha, sure enough.
• 4132[16:10:39] <Exagone313> Hi, the latest vim package version is 2:8.0.0197-4, but what does that 2: means? Thanks for your help.
• 4133[16:10:58] <likcoras> Exagone313: it's a debian-specific thing, to do when they switch versioning schemes, etc.
• 4134[16:11:23] <themill> fixed
• 4135[16:11:31] <likcoras> replaced-url
• 4136[16:11:44] <likcoras> It's called "epoch"
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• 4140[16:12:53] <Exagone313> ok, because some blog just announced debian 9 switched vim from version 2.7 to 2.8, they got confused with this 2:
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• 4142[16:13:18] <Exagone313> thanks for the link, sending it
• 4143[16:13:28] <dvs> Exagone313, then the blog got it wrong.
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• 4146[16:14:30] <Exagone313> they got, not me
• 4147[16:15:02] <likcoras> themill: still wrong on my end. tried with curl and everything in case it was a cache thing, but still there.
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• 4150[16:15:34] <likcoras> <!-- &mdash; no release date has been set -->
• 4151[16:15:36] <likcoras> &mdash; release planned for 17 June 2017
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• 4153[16:15:39] <explorer2017> can debian 9 be downloaded now?
• 4154[16:15:49] <themill> likcoras: ?
• 4155[16:15:56] <dvs> explorer2017, maybe... ;-)
• 4156[16:15:58] <explorer2017> the non free version.
• 4157[16:16:05] <likcoras> That's in the html, just below the buster thing.
• 4158[16:16:11] <Fahrradkette> no public key available for ...debian_dists_stretch_Release.gpg
• 4159[16:16:21] <Fahrradkette> does that mean fresh installation ahead?
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• 4161[16:16:53] <eyJhb> The site is being hammered
• 4162[16:16:55] <themill> likcoras: fixes aren't going to be instantly deployed
• 4163[16:16:58] <explorer2017> if there is debian 8.8 installed, can I upgrade it to 9
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• 4165[16:17:01] <explorer2017> >
• 4166[16:17:03] <likcoras> Aaah, alright.
• 4167[16:17:03] <cybrNaut> explorer2017: some ppl download debian testing just before it becomes stable, in order to avoid the rush (server congestion)
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• 4169[16:17:05] <greycat> Hm, the <firmware images> factoid still points to the weekly-builds thing
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• 4171[16:17:21] <themill> Fahrradkette: no, it means show the full output in a pastebin
• 4172[16:17:28] <cybrNaut> explorer2017: there's nothing to stop you from going to stretch whenever you want, afaik
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• 4174[16:18:00] <greycat> dpkg, firmware images stretch =~ s#weekly-builds#9.0.0+nonfree#
• 4175[16:18:01] <dpkg> OK, greycat
• 4176[16:18:07] <greycat> !firmware images
• 4177[16:18:07] <explorer2017> ok. has debian become more user friendly with 9?
• 4178[16:18:07] <dpkg> Unofficial <netinst> and DVD installer images containing non-free Debian firmware packages are available for installing Debian 9 "Stretch". See replaced-url
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• 4181[16:19:14] <themill> greycat: fixed
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• 4183[16:19:23] <C-Otto> hi, why is apt-get update so much quicker with stretch? not complaining :)
• 4184[16:19:45] <explorer2017> I mean, would having a debian based distro like mx linux be more suitable, because it contains some features that make it more usable for a newbie.
• 4185[16:19:59] <Fahrradkette> replaced-url
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• 4187[16:20:33] <explorer2017> I intend to do a fresh install of Debian 9.
• 4188[16:20:35] <dunderproto> What desktop environment would you recommend for a Windows user coming to Linux who left Windows because it was too bloated? The laptop my friend is using is ~2006 so I was thinking of choosing between mate and xfce.
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• 4190[16:21:06] <mtn> explorer2017: debian has been easy to install and use for years
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• 4192[16:21:10] <themill> Fahrradkette: and what version of the debian-archve-keyring package do you have installed?
• 4193[16:21:29] <shtrb> I'm using a KDE on 4 GB ram laptop :)
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• 4196[16:21:40] <shtrb> explorer2017 , just choose what you like
• 4197[16:22:01] <explorer2017> guys, as a newbie, I have a question. What are the pros and cons of using a debian based distro like mx linux rather than debian itself?
• 4198[16:22:17] <Fahrradkette> Installed: 2014.3
• 4199[16:22:25] <greycat> I've never even heard of "mx linux", so I'm assuming there are no pros.
• 4200[16:22:27] <C-Otto> explorer2017: i'd say that is something mx linux should mention on their homepage
• 4201[16:22:48] <dvs> dunderproto, sh00p said xfce
• 4202[16:22:56] * sh00p did
• 4203[16:23:04] <dunderproto> shtrb: the laptop may only have 1-2 GB RAM, it was a low-end model
• 4204[16:23:29] <themill> Fahrradkette: that's about 3 years out of date
• 4205[16:23:39] <explorer2017> and as a newbie switching from windows 10 which DE would be suitable for me in Debian 9?
• 4206[16:23:50] <Fahrradkette> so, fresh install the whole stuff?
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• 4208[16:24:21] <themill> Fahrradkette: what are you trying to upgrade from/to?
• 4209[16:24:29] <Fahrradkette> jessie->stretch
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• 4211[16:25:03] <Lowl3v3l> explorer2017: depends on what you plan on doing. If you disliked win 10 use sth entirely different
• 4212[16:25:05] <themill> Fahrradkette: is this a warning or an error? You didn't paste the full output.
• 4213[16:25:24] <Fahrradkette> warning
• 4214[16:25:30] <themill> so what's the problem?
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• 4216[16:25:58] <explorer2017> Lowl3v3l: something entirely different? can you suggest some?
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• 4218[16:26:10] <Fahrradkette> I read that upgrading dist is a kinda hairy procedure
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• 4220[16:26:17] <themill> hardly
• 4221[16:26:23] <Fahrradkette> when I switched from wheezy to jessie I did a fresh install
• 4222[16:26:34] <greycat> The stretch upgrade is pretty smooth for most systems.
• 4223[16:26:49] <Fahrradkette> kk, I give it a go. Thanks guys:)
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• 4226[16:27:12] <greycat> wheezy to jessie was much hairier (systemd)
• 4227[16:27:20] <C-Otto> yup
• 4228[16:27:24] <themill> can't say that was any pain at all
• 4229[16:27:31] <greycat> and apache 2.4, if you used apache
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• 4231[16:27:42] <themill> that was tedious
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• 4233[16:28:21] <nix64bit> is systemd working now?
• 4234[16:28:29] <greycat> It's been working since jessie.
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• 4236[16:28:39] <themill> or before
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• 4240[16:29:05] <nix64bit> some would disagree :)
• 4241[16:29:23] <themill> some people like to rant
• 4242[16:30:29] <analogical> when I visit a Debian FTP archive how do I find the live versions?
• 4243[16:30:41] <themill> you won't
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• 4245[16:30:50] <Fahrradkette> themill: I was looking for that ID which doesn't have a public key. replaced-url
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• 4247[16:30:59] <themill> !live
• 4248[16:30:59] <dpkg> The Debian Live project provides pre-built Debian live system images and allows creation of your own. These can be used to install a Debian system. Live images are available from replaced-url
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• 4251[16:31:06] <Fahrradkette> Did I use the wrong keyserver?
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• 4266[16:37:30] <themill> Fahrradkette: the route you trust is via debian-archive-keyring
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• 4269[16:38:46] <jqke> Hi, I am looking for some help. I upgraded to debian 9, and I have 2 main issues. One is that opening folders from the desktop won't work, the other one is that the new skype4linux client completely messup the mic volume
• 4270[16:40:19] <shtrb> jqke , check if the voice issue is the pulseaudio putting voice on max
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• 4272[16:40:52] <jqke> it definitly is something putting the mic volume at max
• 4273[16:41:08] <jqke> I have no idea how to fix that however
• 4274[16:41:12] <shtrb> default nice feature , moment
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• 4277[16:41:42] <explorer2017> can debian 9 be recommended for a newbie who has been using windows?
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• 4279[16:42:01] <thingfish> sure. Why not?
• 4280[16:42:16] <TinkerTiger> I wouldn't recommend it, just yet.
• 4281[16:42:17] <shtrb> jqke , set flat-voumes=no
• 4282[16:42:24] <thingfish> as long as you have access to Google and this channel (for help).
• 4283[16:42:29] <explorer2017> or some other distros like mint, mx linux etc.
• 4284[16:42:33] <shtrb> in /etc/pulese/daemon.conf
• 4285[16:43:12] <shtrb> */etc/pulse/daemon.conf
• 4286[16:43:16] <greycat> Derived distributions don't really offer anything a newbie will care about, except possibly Ubuntu, which offers you the ability to not get any help whatsoever because all of the other Ubuntu users are also noobs.
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• 4291[16:43:50] <ptype> smooth upgrade as always, can I just say thx to all the debian maintainers
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• 4297[16:45:26] * TinkerTiger half-jokes, "You can sa, but a donation would speak louder. ;)
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• 4300[16:46:52] <explorer2017> greycat: you mean ubuntu is no better than debian?
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• 4302[16:47:08] <greycat> You can ask #ubuntu what they offer.
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• 4305[16:47:47] <cybrNaut> #ubuntu offers much more broad support
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• 4309[16:48:36] <cybrNaut> in #debian, if you ask an ubuntu question, ppl are like GTFO!.. or even if you have an alternative repo. #ubuntu folks will support anything they can.. incl. debian users
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• 4312[16:48:51] <shtrb> TinkerTiger , joke aside debian should have a chairity fund in each country (that would you could actually donate and get a tax return)
• 4313[16:48:52] * themill tries not to giggle too much
• 4314[16:48:54] <cybrNaut> at least, to the best of their abliity
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• 4317[16:49:37] <Urchin[emacs]> ubuntu itsielf sometimes keeps broken packages broken if they're not GUI-related
• 4318[16:49:51] <TinkerTiger> An operating system is an operating system. Each has it's quirks but they'll all get you to the same place. Some work better, some look better, it can be tricky to find your best match.
• 4319[16:49:53] <explorer2017> I am downloading Debina 9 with xfce.
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• 4322[16:50:39] <explorer2017> Debian 9*
• 4323[16:50:41] <Urchin[emacs]> I usually just go for debian netinstall, as I don't use DEs
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• 4325[16:51:04] <lmmin> Good evening. Will be release debian-live-9.0.0-amd64-standard.iso? There isn't in list of download.
• 4326[16:51:25] <greycat> Just use the netinstall images. Why do people keep getting "live" images?
• 4327[16:51:40] <Arrowmaster> hey guys random not release related question, i need to try updating my bios to see if it fixes some acpi related issues and i'm about to start with replaced-url
• 4328[16:52:08] <cybrNaut> lmmin: do you have multiple machines to install? if not, go w/netinst
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• 4330[16:52:09] <TinkerTiger> Because, live lets you try before you 'buy'.
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• 4333[16:53:31] <TinkerTiger> I also use live images for troubleshooting and data recovery.
• 4334[16:54:11] <lmmin> <cybrNaut>No, I haven't. But I have a PPTP-connection to ISP gateway (it's comlicated), so I cannot use netinstall.
• 4335[16:54:21] <Arrowmaster> lmmin: if i recall, live images are maintained by a different team than the primary release image team so they are delayed a little bit
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• 4338[16:54:51] <dvs> greycat, I think they are under the misconception that the live image is the only way to install the DM they want.
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• 4340[16:55:31] <greycat> I don't know how to improve the situation, because people don't *read*. You can't just put words on the web page. People literally will not read them. They will just make assumptions.
• 4341[16:55:38] <shtrb> Immin , netinstall does not have pptp-linux package ?
• 4342[16:55:50] <debian_user32> Hey, I'm already on stretch and apt-get gives me the following message: replaced-url
• 4343[16:55:57] <lmmin> Arrowmaster: Thank you, I can wait for their job done.
• 4344[16:56:00] <greycat> The netinstall has the base system. You can install whatever you want on top of that.
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• 4346[16:56:11] <spacebug^> somiaj: It worked. Thanks alot!
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• 4348[16:56:15] <debian_user32> or could something break? I'm not sure.
• 4349[16:56:27] <shtrb> greycat , he needs network access to download (that is why I asked about pptp-linux package)
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• 4353[16:57:37] <Arrowmaster> lmmin: question, have you tried the advanced installer? there are a lot of special case installer packages you can enable in it
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• 4355[16:57:44] <lmmin> <shtrb>No. To begin an instalation I must have a connection to Internet, but I have not.
• 4356[16:58:12] <shtrb> I got it , that is why I asked if you have the pptp-linux (the package for pptp in netinstall )
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• 4358[16:58:30] <shtrb> you can manually run it (if it is there )
• 4359[16:58:31] <greycat> Fine. People with no network access at all can buy a DVD-1 image and carry it to their computer and install using that, and be forever stuck at Debian 9.0 with no fixes.
• 4360[16:59:06] <shtrb> I think it's easier just to get that only package on a usb key to install it
• 4361[16:59:09] <explorer2017> if I install debian 9, the default version, can I add non-free packages later?
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• 4363[16:59:15] <shtrb> yes
• 4364[16:59:17] <somiaj> spacebug^: (:
• 4365[16:59:22] <dvs> explorer2017, if you pay me. ;-)
• 4366[16:59:29] <explorer2017> how?
• 4367[16:59:33] <greycat> !non-free
• 4368[16:59:33] <dpkg> [non-free] a component which contains software that does not comply with the <DFSG>. To add non-free packages to your packages index, ask me about <non-free sources>. To see which non-free packages are installed ask me about <non-free list>. For the non-free tracking system, see replaced-url
• 4369[16:59:45] <greycat> !non-free sources
• 4370[16:59:46] <dpkg> Edit /etc/apt/sources.list, ensure that the two main Debian mirror lines end with "main contrib non-free" rather than just "main", then «aptitude update». But bear in mind that you'll be installing <non-free> software. These may have onerous terms; check the licenses. See also <sources.list>.
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• 4373[17:00:37] <lmmin> <Arrowmaster>Well, I must say I didn't but I suppose I have to setup different settings for Internet access. I tried a lot earlier, read many articles and ... nothing.
• 4374[17:00:38] <atlas_> hello
• 4375[17:00:49] <atom__> namaste
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• 4377[17:01:38] <Arrowmaster> lmmin: the advanced setup is rarely talked about in articles so if you have a netinstall flash drive already created it might be worth it to give it a try
• 4378[17:01:48] <lmmin> "<shtrb>you can manually run it (if it is there )" No, I cannot. I tried.
• 4379[17:02:00] <shtrb> Immin , if the binary is there all what you have to do is to setup /etc/ppp/options.pptp , /etc/ppp/chap-secrets and create a tunnel
• 4380[17:02:01] <atlas_> 575qvgg5wqotsr7g
• 4381[17:02:25] <shtrb> Immin , pon tunnelname should do the job (if you setit up and the binary is there)
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• 4383[17:02:45] <lmmin> <Arrowmaster>Thank you, I'll try.
• 4384[17:03:08] <atom__> 5vhsbqm4wiy565q5
• 4385[17:03:47] <lmmin> <shtrb>You are right. And I did it, but no success.
• 4386[17:03:54] <BenderRodriguez> Who made the grave mistake of pinging me here
• 4387[17:04:07] <greycat> Do not put <anglebrackets> around a person's name if you are trying to talk TO that person.
• 4388[17:04:28] <greycat> Angle brackets are what most IRC clients to indicate WHO SPOKE, so to everyone else, it looks like you are QUOTING something that shtrb said,.
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• 4393[17:05:19] <lmmin> greycat: Sorry, I very seldom use a chat, so I don't know how to put nick in line.
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• 4395[17:05:30] <greycat> Colon or comma is fine.
• 4396[17:05:32] <shtrb> Immin , run with pon tunnelname debug dump logfd 2 nodeatch to see the "error"
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• 4399[17:05:59] <explorer2017> is debian faster than ubuntu and mint generally?
• 4400[17:06:01] <greycat> Most IRC clients add "colon space" if you use tab completion on a nick.
• 4401[17:06:05] <Arrowmaster> lmmin: i just confirmed pptp-linux is in the installer as a deb to be installed but not as a udeb which is the packages loaded for use by the installler, sorry it likely will not work
• 4402[17:06:37] <shtrb> but he could first install without network access , than install that single deb file and call it
• 4403[17:06:50] <Arrowmaster> yes so a dvd image is best to install from
• 4404[17:06:55] <shtrb> assuming his ISP is not crazy enough to have the connection scripts
• 4405[17:06:58] <Arrowmaster> which can also be put on a usb drive
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• 4407[17:07:57] <Arrowmaster> oh dear god i just found a working 256MB flash drive with an old debian netinstall on it
• 4408[17:08:04] <shtrb> :D
• 4409[17:08:13] <explorer2017> replaced-url
• 4410[17:08:19] <shtrb> don't touch it , you may be able to sell it to a museam soon
• 4411[17:08:22] <Arrowmaster> explorer2017: no
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• 4413[17:08:45] <greycat> Every Debian installer will let you install stuff from the Internet either during or after the installation.
• 4414[17:08:53] <explorer2017> ok. Then, I can download it and install Debian offline also?
• 4415[17:08:54] <greycat> The difference is just what packages are already on the disc.
• 4416[17:08:56] <Arrowmaster> explorer2017: but its recommended to have internet access during any install if possible, the only one that requires it is the netinstall
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• 4419[17:09:11] <lmmin> You are right. I always use 3 dvds for installation. Thank you very much for your help.
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• 4421[17:09:22] <cybrNaut> Arrowmaster: sell it to Bruce Schneiere.. he likes those old small USB drives
• 4422[17:09:27] <greycat> You *really* want network access during installation so you can get all of the latest security fixes which aren't on your disc.
• 4423[17:09:42] <Arrowmaster> but its perfect size for debian netinstalls
• 4424[17:10:06] <la_mettrie> GUI doesn't start but xorg & lightdm logs look OK, it seems
• 4425[17:10:10] <la_mettrie> when using "dpkg-reconfigure lightdm", it says after exit: dbus.service is not active, cannot reload. invoce-rc.d: initscript dbus, action "reload" failed.
• 4426[17:10:21] <la_mettrie> wonder if that reveals anything
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• 4428[17:10:48] <Arrowmaster> if you give the installer net access, it will automatically configure the system to look to the internet for packages in the future when you run apt, otherwise you will need to update sources.list
• 4429[17:10:58] <shtrb> go back to one unit bellow
• 4430[17:11:02] <explorer2017> what about images from this link? replaced-url
• 4431[17:11:12] <greycat> la_mettrie: are you trying to upgrade from wheezy?
• 4432[17:11:33] <la_mettrie> greycat: from jessie, but i originally installed wheezy (that i upgraded to jessie)
• 4433[17:11:36] <Arrowmaster> explorer2017: if the installer doesnt say netinstall then it doesnt require internet access
• 4434[17:11:44] <explorer2017> ok
• 4435[17:11:48] <greycat> la_mettrie: are you sure you *completed* the jessie upgrade?
• 4436[17:12:10] <greycat> la_mettrie: you need to have rebooted into the jessie kernel (plus udev, systemd, etc.) before attempting to go beyond jessie
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• 4438[17:12:44] <la_mettrie> greycat: i think jessie upgrade went fine, don't remember any problems and i've run system upgrades before installing stretch
• 4439[17:12:57] <greycat> what kernel are you on now?
• 4440[17:13:53] <la_mettrie> greycat: 4.9.0.-3-686-pae
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• 4443[17:14:12] <greycat> Did you do anything that would have prevented systemd from being installed?
• 4444[17:14:20] <la_mettrie> i don't think so
• 4445[17:14:26] <la_mettrie> not intentionally
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• 4448[17:15:21] <greycat> what does "systemctl status dbus" say? (use a paste site, like replaced-url
• 4449[17:15:31] <shtrb> greycat , if the dm crash (from graphical target) you need to go out one target before and back to graphical to have it running
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• 4461[17:17:39] <explorer2017> does installing debian non free versions similar to installing mint?
• 4462[17:17:43] <explorer2017> or ubuntu?
• 4463[17:18:02] <greycat> There isn't a "non free version". You simply edit your source.list, apt-get update, and then install whatever non-free packages you wanted.
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• 4465[17:18:09] <explorer2017> I mean, non free packages increase the usability?
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• 4468[17:18:43] <greycat> No.
• 4469[17:19:20] <greycat> The only non-free package that most people will care about initially would be firmware or other driver-related stuff, especially for wireless NICs.
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• 4471[17:19:40] <greycat> That's why installers with non-free FIRMWARE included are desirable.
• 4472[17:19:54] <explorer2017> ok
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• 4474[17:20:21] <la_mettrie> greycat: this is the output of systemctl status dbus replaced-url
• 4475[17:20:35] <tanking> How do you completely disable the graphical frame buffer? The system completely hangs with it on.
• 4476[17:20:58] <tanking> I've had to use an older 2.6.32-xxx kernel in the mean time after upgrading took me to 3.2 I think it was
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• 4478[17:21:14] <greycat> la_mettrie: I don't know what's going on there. Looks like it died for some reason.
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• 4480[17:22:35] <shtrb> la_mettrie did you see my comment ?
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• 4482[17:23:18] <la_mettrie> shtrb: yes, but i don't grasp what "back to graphical" means in practice
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• 4484[17:23:35] <shtrb> multi-user is before graphical
• 4485[17:23:41] <greycat> I think it means "reboot".
• 4486[17:23:43] <shtrb> move to multi-user and back to graphical
• 4487[17:23:45] <shtrb> no !
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• 4489[17:25:01] <shtrb> systemctl isolate multi-user.target and then systemctl isolate graphical.target usually fix that for me
• 4490[17:25:35] <greycat> Of all the synonyms for "init 3", "isolate" would not have occurred to me as one to try.
• 4491[17:25:51] <shtrb> telinit should still work
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• 4499[17:28:31] <la_mettrie> that first command took me to a login and second command threw me to a blank screen just like when i'm booting normally
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• 4501[17:28:48] <shtrb> correct , no dbus should be reloaded
• 4502[17:29:00] <shtrb> *now dbus should be reloaded
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• 4506[17:29:29] <greycat> if X can't run, you need to figure out why not, and fix that, before attempting to go to graphical.target
• 4507[17:29:31] <shtrb> the idea is not to reboot but just to force "correct" load of all services
• 4508[17:29:51] <shtrb> If he got a login manager (graphical) X is working
• 4509[17:29:57] <greycat> He doesn't.
• 4510[17:30:05] <shtrb> I misread sorry
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• 4512[17:30:11] <shtrb> but now dbus shuold be up
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• 4518[17:32:56] <dontknow> after stretch release, i got no update >.<
• 4519[17:33:04] <dontknow> it is not exciting
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• 4521[17:33:16] <la_mettrie> now lightdm.log.old says that "greeter display server failed to start"
• 4522[17:33:36] <greycat> la_mettrie: you need to find the underlying cause. Did you make any progress reading Xorg.0.log?
• 4523[17:34:16] <BluesKaj> I had one package upgrade ...yesterday, and I've been on stretch now for about 3months
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• 4525[17:34:46] <la_mettrie> greycat: Xorg.0.log didn't tell much, some said replaced-url
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• 4534[17:36:47] <greycat> "RandR disabled" is slightly worrying but I don't know enough about it. You might have to ask the nvidia guys, or wait for someone who knows more about nvidia here.
• 4535[17:36:51] <shtrb> Did you check the warning on "new in stretch" about the setuid Xorg ?
• 4536[17:37:07] <la_mettrie> shtrb: i didn't
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• 4538[17:37:16] <shtrb> There was a warning about it
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• 4543[17:37:40] <shtrb> last two lines in replaced-url
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• 4547[17:38:23] <BAKLAVAKA> hi.
• 4548[17:38:29] <shtrb> hi
• 4549[17:38:31] <BAKLAVAKA> have problem with iso live
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• 4553[17:38:40] <BAKLAVAKA> when installer loads, it cant find cdrom files
• 4554[17:38:47] <BAKLAVAKA> i dd'ed correctly
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• 4556[17:39:27] <BAKLAVAKA> what is the fix?
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• 4561[17:40:23] <jelly> BAKLAVAKA: do you want to try live, or to install?
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• 4563[17:40:37] <la_mettrie> ;5~it says that xserver-xorg-legacy is already there. wonder if it should be turned on somehow
• 4564[17:40:45] <BAKLAVAKA> install. it stops at loading /cdrom
• 4565[17:40:59] <jelly> BAKLAVAKA: if you want to install, get the installer iso, not live
• 4566[17:41:05] <BAKLAVAKA> can't load it. i went into console, tried to mount -v fat /dev/sdb /cdrom -- didnt work either
• 4567[17:41:16] <BAKLAVAKA> i need the live one
• 4568[17:41:20] <jelly> why?
• 4569[17:41:21] <BAKLAVAKA> why doesnt it frickin work
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• 4571[17:41:42] <BAKLAVAKA> who creates a live iso with an instller option that doesnt work
• 4572[17:41:49] <BAKLAVAKA> that makes no sense. unless it works
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• 4575[17:42:06] <BAKLAVAKA> im not dling another 2gb file
• 4576[17:42:07] <jelly> BAKLAVAKA: there used to be some known issues with installer code running from live that may not have been fixed. netinst is the safe bet.
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• 4578[17:42:23] <jelly> BAKLAVAKA: netinst is 300MB or so.
• 4579[17:42:29] <BAKLAVAKA> what if i cant connect to the internet from the installer?
• 4580[17:42:35] <BAKLAVAKA> then i'm screwed
• 4581[17:42:43] <jelly> BAKLAVAKA: what kind of internet connection are you using?
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• 4584[17:42:54] <BAKLAVAKA> wifi and its realtek so it needs firmware
• 4585[17:43:03] <jelly> !firmware images
• 4586[17:43:03] <dpkg> Unofficial <netinst> and DVD installer images containing non-free Debian firmware packages are available for installing Debian 9 "Stretch". See replaced-url
• 4587[17:43:03] <greycat> so use the netinst with firmware
• 4588[17:43:08] <BAKLAVAKA> i normally load up live, then dpkg -i realtek deb
• 4589[17:43:09] <jelly> BAKLAVAKA: use those ^^
• 4590[17:43:18] <BAKLAVAKA> those dont work
• 4591[17:43:31] <jelly> BAKLAVAKA: which image did you try?
• 4592[17:43:58] <jelly> replaced-url
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• 4594[17:44:34] <BAKLAVAKA> when i was oistalling 8 before, it tried the withfirmware
• 4595[17:44:40] <BAKLAVAKA> it still told me it cant load firmware
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• 4598[17:44:52] <BAKLAVAKA> so it doesnt even have the same firmware are the firmware-realtek deb
• 4599[17:45:01] <jelly> BAKLAVAKA: this is 9 not 8
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• 4601[17:45:11] <BAKLAVAKA> example using
• 4602[17:45:20] <Richard_Cavell> Hello everyone. Based on the startup messages, I think my installation of debian 8.6.0 doesn't have the right drivers for my video card. How do I fix this? 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] RV530/M56-P [Mobility Radeon X1600] [1002:71c5]
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• 4604[17:45:38] <Arrowmaster> any firmware that would be in the realtek deb is in the with firmware netinstall
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• 4609[17:47:03] <laurus> Does Debian 9.0 offer LxQt as a Desktop Environment in the installer?
• 4610[17:47:27] <shtrb> la_mettrie , is it a single card or one of the dual cards installations ?
• 4611[17:48:06] <shtrb> la_mettrie, and check if you have firmware-misc-nonfree installed (just in case)
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• 4615[17:49:11] <la_mettrie> shtrb: it seems i found a apt package telling me that my nvidia card is old. it gives further instructions, and i'm trying them now. let's see...
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• 4617[17:49:23] <Arrowmaster> laurus: i honestly do not know because i have not tried the installer yet but i do know there is task-lxqt-desktop package and those usually corrospond to options in the installer
• 4618[17:49:31] <shtrb> please update the wikipage if you can solve it
• 4619[17:49:38] <laurus> Arrowmaster, oh, I see. Thank you.
• 4620[17:49:39] <la_mettrie> ok
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• 4624[17:50:45] <laurus> Arrowmaster, how did you find that task-lxqt-desktop package?
• 4625[17:51:05] <shtrb> can someone fix the link on the newinstrectch to replaced-url
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• 4627[17:51:45] <laurus> Oh, I see. stretch is still called testing on packages.debian.org
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• 4629[17:51:50] <jelly> shtrb: link on what?
• 4630[17:52:11] <shtrb> on top part , it should say stretch and not tesing
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• 4632[17:52:21] <greycat> done
• 4633[17:52:26] <shtrb> thanks
• 4634[17:52:38] <Arrowmaster> laurus: honestly im just a regular user and i saw that package come up in aptitude under the new package section during an update a while back and remembered it because one of my friends is an lxqt dev
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• 4638[17:53:24] <laurus> Arrowmaster, cool, I'm a regular user too. I just searched for the package on packages.debian.org and it didn't show up. But if I search for it under testing, it does. Then I noticed that it says stretch (testing) there, so I guess the site hasn't been updated yet.
• 4639[17:53:29] <laurus> Thanks for the help!
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• 4645[17:54:06] <BAKLAVAKA> hi
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• 4647[17:54:18] <BAKLAVAKA> i booted into live. i am in it now. can u start installe from the desktop here?
• 4648[17:54:23] * BluesKaj wonders why kde/plasma is included here if lxqt is considered light weight replaced-url
• 4649[17:54:26] <BAKLAVAKA> what is the term command
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• 4652[17:54:44] <one_over> kde is lightweight
• 4653[17:54:57] <shtrb> LOL
• 4654[17:55:02] <BAKLAVAKA> no it isnt
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• 4656[17:55:03] <shtrb> It's a good one
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• 4658[17:55:11] <BAKLAVAKA> its lighter than ubuntu
• 4659[17:55:22] <BluesKaj> one_over, heh, never heard that before
• 4660[17:55:37] <shtrb> one_over , thanks but you need to work on it to make it "lightweight"
• 4661[17:55:37] <BAKLAVAKA> lxde > xfce > mate > gnome > kde
• 4662[17:55:55] <precise> I personally like i3
• 4663[17:55:56] <BAKLAVAKA> can u start installer from live
• 4664[17:56:02] <BAKLAVAKA> ?
• 4665[17:56:09] <shtrb> BluesKaj , do you have any idea if we would see updated version of KDE ?
• 4666[17:56:17] <shtrb> *2017
• 4667[17:56:17] <greycat> The jessie live images had a shitty installer. Nobody here knows if the stretch live images are any better, because wee don't USE them
• 4668[17:56:30] <greycat> We use the netinst.
• 4669[17:56:32] <greycat> Period.
• 4670[17:56:38] <BAKLAVAKA> greycat: live iso installer doesnt work
• 4671[17:56:50] <jelly> that's quite possible
• 4672[17:56:51] <greycat> Good, now we know, and we can continue telling people to use INSTALLERS to INSTALL
• 4673[17:57:26] <SuperTramp83> I downloaded and checked this ISO, checksum is fine. On installation, immediately after setting the locales it gives "there was an error reading data from the CD bla bla". This both with USB and DVD.. :/
• 4674[17:57:26] <BAKLAVAKA> dont you think its pretty irresponsible for someone to create an iso live and putting in the description on the page that it can install but wont?
• 4675[17:57:29] <SuperTramp83> replaced-url
• 4676[17:57:32] <jelly> BAKLAVAKA: did you try replaced-url
• 4677[17:57:38] <one_over> at least kde has a usable UI
• 4678[17:57:39] <Arrowmaster> didnt installing from the live image create a system that didnt match installing from an installler back when it did work?
• 4679[17:57:45] <SuperTramp83> ^It's the XFce live iso..
• 4680[17:57:53] <jelly> BAKLAVAKA: do you want to assign blame, or do you want to install an OS?
• 4681[17:57:54] <BAKLAVAKA> i have the net installer
• 4682[17:57:57] <BAKLAVAKA> i will try that
• 4683[17:58:01] <precise> Does anyone here run an external /boot partition on a USB device or SD card? Any resources you could point me to? I'm reading a few articles now, but I'm wondering if someone could testify to the exact process.
• 4684[17:58:03] <BAKLAVAKA> its a valid point, jelly
• 4685[17:58:09] <BAKLAVAKA> its the main frickin distribution
• 4686[17:58:24] <BAKLAVAKA> bbl
• 4687[17:58:25] <BAKLAVAKA> exit
• 4688[17:58:27] <jelly> your valid point won't solve your tech issue
• 4689[17:58:27] <one_over> The gnome ui seems like it was made for tablets
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• 4695[17:59:28] <precise> So I'm seeing some resources that suggest I should install the /boot partition during the Debian installation, others suggest doing it after the fact on a freshly installed system
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• 4697[17:59:42] <precise> Are there any major benefits or downsides to either method?
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• 4699[17:59:53] <jelly> precise: doing it after is a huge pain in the ass
• 4700[17:59:54] <BluesKaj> shtrb, which kde/plasma do you have, the latest on debian stretch is 5.8.6 and the latest release version is 5.10.2
• 4701[18:00:09] <precise> jelly: It is?
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• 4703[18:00:26] <shtrb> I'm on 5.8.6 , but I would appriate to see 5.10 :)
• 4704[18:00:29] <jelly> precise: especially if you only have a single disk
• 4705[18:00:37] <precise> I actually have 2 disks.
• 4706[18:00:48] <precise> 1 120GB SSD, and 1 1TB HDD
• 4707[18:01:09] <shtrb> precise , remember to set the SSD specific mount options ...
• 4708[18:01:14] <Arrowmaster> 5.10 is very nice
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• 4710[18:01:25] <precise> shtrb: discard, correct?
• 4711[18:01:34] <BluesKaj> shtrb, I have 5.10.2 on kubuntu, there isn't a lot of difference on the front end
• 4712[18:01:37] <jelly> shtrb: no need to, running fstrim as monthly job is good enough
• 4713[18:01:48] <precise> jelly: FDE is also in play here
• 4714[18:01:55] <precise> dmcrypt FTW
• 4715[18:02:09] <precise> Basically what I am trying to do is FDE both of my disks, put root and another custom partition on the SSD, and home and swap on the HDD
• 4716[18:02:18] <precise> boot on a usb
• 4717[18:02:21] <jelly> then, depending on how paranoid you are, you may not want to discard at all
• 4718[18:02:31] <precise> jelly: I know :P I'm not that paranoid
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• 4720[18:02:34] <Plushwolf> Was kernel-package removed from Stretch?
• 4721[18:02:41] <precise> I'd rather preserve my aging SSDs lifespan
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• 4724[18:03:10] <jelly> precise: so you have three block devices, usb stick, ssd and hdd
• 4725[18:03:14] <precise> Yep
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• 4727[18:03:24] <Plushwolf> ,v kernel-package
• 4728[18:03:25] <judd> Package: kernel-package on amd64 -- wheezy: 12.036+nmu3; jessie: 13.014+nmu1; sid: 13.018
• 4729[18:03:29] <Plushwolf> wut
• 4730[18:03:31] <Plushwolf> no stretch
• 4731[18:03:32] <precise> s/usb stick/sd card
• 4732[18:03:34] <precise> same diff
• 4733[18:03:58] <jelly> precise: plug them all in and put things where they're supposed to be. Hopefully your firmware can boot off that sd card.
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• 4735[18:04:09] <precise> jelly: It should be able to, done it before.
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• 4738[18:04:52] <shtrb> jelly nice to know , precise jelly says you can skip it
• 4739[18:04:52] <jelly> precise: why dm-crypt and not luks, btw?
• 4740[18:05:08] <jelly> shtrb: skip what, sorry?
• 4741[18:05:12] <precise> shtrb: ?
• 4742[18:05:22] <jelly> oh, discard mount opt.
• 4743[18:05:33] <precise> I never said that....
• 4744[18:05:43] <Plushwolf> i'm missing kernel-package !!
• 4745[18:05:44] <precise> Oh, you meant jelly said that
• 4746[18:05:56] <precise> shtrb: Thanks for the heads up ;)
• 4747[18:06:02] <jelly> if it's an older device it may even get better performance without discard and with occasional fstrim instead
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• 4751[18:06:25] <precise> jelly: I have used luks in the past, I like the plausible deniability w/ dmcrypt, but I am not opposed to going back to luks.
• 4752[18:06:34] <shtrb> sorry , my UI is crazy slow
• 4753[18:06:36] <jelly> dpkg, why is kernel-package not in testing
• 4754[18:06:36] <dpkg> kernel-package is not in testing for the reasons listed in replaced-url
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• 4758[18:07:08] <jelly> Plushwolf: replaced-url
• 4759[18:07:09] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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• 4761[18:07:56] <Plushwolf> since December? Come on ..
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• 4763[18:08:37] <precise> Now here is another pertinent issue I am having, currently I have /home, /root, /swap, and /custom all as seperate encrypted containers, I have to put in the key for each one, every boot. Is there a way I can consolidate this, without compromisng security? In theory, could I place the key files on the SD card, in a seperate ext4 partition adjacent to my boot partition?
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• 4767[18:09:00] <jelly> Plushwolf: there are possible workarounds in that bug report, "make bindeb-pkg" or "make deb-pkg"
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• 4769[18:09:06] <Fallenour1> mornin' jelly
• 4770[18:09:08] <missmbob> Plushwolf: you're not supposed to use it. it was deprecated long ago
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• 4772[18:10:01] <shtrb> Morning Fallenour1
• 4773[18:10:01] <missmbob> Plushwolf: use what jelly said, which is what is shown/listed in the kernel guide
• 4774[18:10:22] <Fallenour1> morning shtrb! didnt know you were on yet
• 4775[18:10:37] <jelly> afternoon, Fallenour1
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• 4777[18:10:54] <deego> Has something changed with the way downloads work? They used to take a loong time. Now, it seems like it took a mere minutes.
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• 4779[18:11:09] <jelly> deego: what kind of downloads?
• 4780[18:11:17] <precise> The debian ISOs?
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• 4782[18:11:24] <Fallenour1> another day of hell. Whats the best way to create snapshots and rollback on debian? im so tired of rebuilding this controller over and over. This is the 9th time ive built it this weekend
• 4783[18:11:40] <shtrb> Fallenour1 , host or guest ?
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• 4785[18:11:51] <deego> jelly: apt-get update
• 4786[18:11:52] <Fallenour1> shtrb: host
• 4787[18:12:00] <mortal> does debian work well on a kaby lake laptop?
• 4788[18:12:08] <deego> jelly: sorry, i mean apt-get dist-upgrade -d -y
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• 4791[18:12:17] <mortal> I read somewhere that you can somehow cause a crash where you have to disconnect the internal battery :S :S :S
• 4792[18:12:18] <precise> deego: Oh, well have you noticed any connection issues with your ISP?
• 4793[18:12:21] <jelly> deego: some optimizations in apt, but nothing major
• 4794[18:12:29] <missmbob> mortal: stretch should if you compile 4.10 yourself
• 4795[18:12:30] <precise> deego: I'm not aware of any major changes w/apt
• 4796[18:12:30] <deego> i see, thanks
• 4797[18:12:37] <mortal> missmbob: is it safe to install
• 4798[18:12:51] <missmbob> mortal: yes
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• 4800[18:12:55] <mortal> good
• 4801[18:12:58] <shtrb> Fallenour1 , you should have brought to yesterday parties :)
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• 4803[18:13:08] <mortal> and it has efi support etc.?
• 4804[18:13:20] <missmbob> mortal: live iso doesnt. others do
• 4805[18:13:21] <jelly> mortal: KBL support is still a work in progress in Linux, I think
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• 4807[18:13:31] <mortal> well I think I will wait a little
• 4808[18:13:45] <Fallenour1> shtrb: I really wish. honestly I dont even know where the parties are at
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• 4815[18:15:07] <shtrb> !install party
• 4816[18:15:14] <shtrb> !local lug
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• 4818[18:15:55] <shtrb> Fallenour1 , there should be a Debian group somewhere near you
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• 4821[18:16:39] <precise> Man that invoked some memories
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• 4823[18:17:01] <Fallenour1> shtrb: If a lug group can save me from this hell, absolutely. I dont care if I have to drive all the way to atlanta, I just want the damn thing to work at this point. This is just pure madness. Im following the guides verbatim, and its not working
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• 4827[18:17:46] <JuniusBrutus> Why the hell does the gvfs package *require* so many monitors in order to run? If I delete the useless binaries in /usr/lib/gvfs, GTK apps start/save files with a huge timeout lag
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• 4830[18:18:05] <JuniusBrutus> Not only that, but there are monitors for Google Account *and* some Apple bullshit
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• 4832[18:18:29] <missmbob> of course. it's a gnome thing
• 4833[18:18:36] <Arrowmaster> because gnome
• 4834[18:19:01] <JuniusBrutus> I thought that Debian would compile gvfs with this stuff as optional or outright without it
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• 4838[18:19:40] <JuniusBrutus> It's like "no systemd, please", but "please give us Google and Apple pings on each GTK app launch"
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• 4842[18:20:30] <one_over> google does the same thing as microsoft
• 4843[18:20:52] <precise> Does anyone have any comments our thoughts on my above statement regarding issues with multiple encrypted partitions requiring multiple key entries on boot?
• 4844[18:20:58] <precise> *or thoughts
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• 4852[18:21:57] <JuniusBrutus> I'm saying this only because deleting some of the binaries in the directory that I mentioned worked on archlinux
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• 4854[18:22:16] <jessie2stretch> just completed upgrade to stretch, removed proprietary ati driver and installed radeon driver with non free firmware for ati, only mouse cursor showing on blank screen, could someone please point me to troubleshooting steps?
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• 4856[18:22:34] <BluesKaj> precise, frankly it sounds like paranoia, but I'm a home user so on the job requirements can appear to be excessive security-wise
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• 4858[18:22:51] <precise> BluesKaj: Heh, I understand that :P
• 4859[18:22:58] <precise> It isn't so much paranoia as just for fun
• 4860[18:23:11] <shtrb> precise , how important is that data for you ?
• 4861[18:23:15] <jelly> precise: I'm living with having to enter two passphrases for now.
• 4862[18:23:22] <precise> shtrb: I have backups
• 4863[18:23:24] <shtrb> and are you ready to reinstall if you do a mistake ( LVM)
• 4864[18:23:31] <precise> shtrb: I could nuke my laptop right now and be totally ok
• 4865[18:23:45] <precise> I mean
• 4866[18:23:49] <precise> There'd be radioactive fallout
• 4867[18:23:58] <precise> I'd also probably get a visit from some TLAs
• 4868[18:24:06] <precise> But, I'd be fine otherwise
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• 4870[18:24:39] <BluesKaj> TLAs ?
• 4871[18:24:46] <precise> The letter agencies ;)
• 4872[18:24:50] <precise> *Three
• 4873[18:25:02] <precise> FBI, NSA, CIA, DHS, etc ;)
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• 4875[18:25:16] <precise> I get made fun of for being 'paranoid' alot, I just enjoy security shit
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• 4877[18:25:22] <BluesKaj> oh lord ...the humor went over my head there :-)
• 4878[18:25:27] <precise> Heh
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• 4882[18:26:25] <toruvinn> precise, does 'paranoid' even have a negative meaning? :-P i still believe it's a good thing.
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• 4884[18:26:37] <precise> toruvinn: Unfortunately to some, yes.
• 4885[18:26:51] <matlock> toruvinn you ever hit a gravity bong way too hard?
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• 4887[18:26:56] <precise> lmao
• 4888[18:27:01] <savask> Hello. After updating my Jessie, the old "iceweasel" turned into "firefox" and the looks of the browser changed completely. Now scrollbars are thin and without up/down arrows, popups are white on black round rectangles, and the overall thing looks very white
• 4889[18:27:12] <savask> Can anyone direct me how to return a "classical" look to firefox?
• 4890[18:27:15] <toruvinn> haha, matlock ;-)
• 4891[18:27:32] <shtrb> precise , if you think you hadn't be hacked already you are in good state
• 4892[18:27:37] <jelly> savask: you can try installing "classic theme restorer" add-on
• 4893[18:27:52] <matlock> savask something like this replaced-url
• 4894[18:28:05] <missmbob> savask: replaced-url
• 4895[18:28:19] <savask> jelly: I thought that it's a system question, something like firefox using my GTK3 theme or something
• 4896[18:28:42] <savask> Thank you guys, I will try your suggestions
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• 4900[18:29:32] <savask> missmbob: I've heard that story, frankly I would rather look at a cute dove in icedove instead of money prayers in thunderbird
• 4901[18:30:17] <jelly> savask: yes and no; firefox does try to use some configured gtk settings, but also it changed from 45esr to 52esr
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• 4904[18:31:58] <missmbob> savask: replaced-url
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• 4910[18:32:57] <savask> jelly: Classic theme restorer doesn't do anything in my case, sadly
• 4911[18:33:13] <savask> Scrollbars are still thin and popups are same white on black :C
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• 4913[18:33:39] <jelly> I wish my popups had black background!
• 4914[18:33:57] <savask> Really?
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• 4916[18:34:09] <savask> All my other apps have black on yellow popups
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• 4918[18:34:26] <savask> And extra thicc scrollbars
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• 4925[18:36:01] <shtrb> Fallenour1 , I don't know about Atlanta but there must some LUG close to you
• 4926[18:36:07] <shtrb> I hope , there is one
• 4927[18:36:12] <Richard_Cavell> I have Debian 8.6.0 with MATE. What's a good graphical IRC client? I can't see a graphical one in the graphical package manager
• 4928[18:36:23] <secris> hexchat
• 4929[18:36:24] <shtrb> we used to have install parties back in the day
• 4930[18:36:26] <savask> Richard_Cavell: Pidgin
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• 4932[18:36:43] <missmbob> ugh. pidgin is awful for irc
• 4933[18:36:48] <savask> Why?
• 4934[18:36:49] <Fallenour1> shtrb: how close, and which ones? Augusta? Linconlton?
• 4935[18:36:50] <shtrb> it works ..
• 4936[18:37:15] <secris> Fallenour1, did you go to the release party in Atlanta?
• 4937[18:37:16] <missmbob> savask: because i've tried it and it's make me want to hurt children
• 4938[18:37:27] <shtrb> I'm not exactly there (different continent ) , but judging by the places I have seen LUG there would one near you
• 4939[18:37:57] <savask> missmbob: Maybe it's just unleashing your potential
• 4940[18:38:13] <jelly> missmbob: and that, is a bad thing!
• 4941[18:38:28] <shtrb> someone install vista on missmbob pc
• 4942[18:38:57] <secris> shtrb, that would make me want to hurt children
• 4943[18:38:59] <Fallenour1> secris: no I didnt. I was a bit preoccupied screaming at my monitor. Not gonna lie, installing openstack so far on debian has not been pretty
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• 4945[18:39:16] <jessie2stretch> hello guys, are my desktop icons and menus stored in a profile (debian mate)
• 4946[18:39:32] <shtrb> Fallenour1 , I don't think anyone would have mind seing an angry person screaming on his screen with Debian yesterday
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• 4949[18:40:04] <secris> Fallenour1, lol I could not get my drunk roommate to stop yelling at his monitor so we could go (he was playing counter strike not being productive lol)
• 4950[18:40:10] <shtrb> Fallenour1 , there is a LUG in Augusta
• 4951[18:40:17] <teraflops> shtrb: what's ff that classic the restorer?
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• 4953[18:40:44] <teraflops> shtrb: ugh sorry I meant savask
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• 4962[18:41:56] <savask> teraflops: Sorry, didn't get your question
• 4963[18:42:03] <teraflops> theme^ fuck yeah sorry
• 4964[18:42:14] <teraflops> sorry big siesta :P
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• 4967[18:42:33] <savask> teraflops: It's an addon jelly suggested me to restore the "classic" look of firefox
• 4968[18:42:34] <jelly> teraflops: replaced-url
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• 4970[18:42:39] <teraflops> ugh
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• 4973[18:42:59] <savask> teraflops: Like, that little bar with different search engines will start making sense again and so on
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• 4976[18:43:17] <savask> But that obviously didn't change the overall GTK theme of firefox, so it didn't help me :C
• 4977[18:43:22] <danielh1234> replaced-url
• 4978[18:43:25] <teraflops> savask: ff picks global gtk3 preferences, so you have to live with it :P
• 4979[18:43:41] <missmbob> about classicthemerestorer "This add-on will stop working when Firefox 57 arrives in November 2017 and Mozilla drops support for XUL / XPCOM / legacy add-ons"
• 4980[18:43:42] <awesomebuntu> PEEDOR
• 4981[18:43:54] <teraflops> savask: I find adwaita global dark theme quite usable though
• 4982[18:43:55] <awesomebuntu> PEKADAOONEY SOSNOOLEY
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• 4984[18:44:12] <savask> teraflops: But my previous version didn't :C Maybe I can fool it somehow by deleting that theme, lol
• 4985[18:44:24] <teraflops> savask: yeah life sucks…
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• 4992[18:45:07] <secris> wow there is actually a linux weekly meeting happening in two hours just south of me
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• 5000[18:46:54] <secris> Fallenour1, replaced-url
• 5001[18:47:12] <jelly> secris: #debian-offtopic -- keep this channel for tech support
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• 5003[18:48:07] <teraflops> savask: talking about global gtk3 dark theme, it used to be worse, they (ff) just disabled it in forms text fields because most of them were unusable
• 5004[18:48:08] <teraflops> :P
• 5005[18:48:26] <la_mettrie> it seems i have no luck with those nvidia legacy drivers. is it fast to try integrated intel's display card? it didn't worked after i simply deattached nvidia card but i guess it does not need much configuring to try it
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• 5007[18:48:49] <savask> teraflops: Oh, my. So that's apparently that "dark theme bug" which always got mentioned in google results
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• 5010[18:49:01] <teraflops> la_mettrie: look in your bios/fw?
• 5011[18:49:02] <jelly> la_mettrie: uninstall nvidia drivers before that.
• 5012[18:49:08] <teraflops> savask: indeed
• 5013[18:49:43] <savask> I've found out that I want Raleigh theme for firefox, but it doesn't have a gtk-3.0 folder in /usr/themes/Raleigh
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• 5018[18:51:20] <jelly> leibniz: 9400GT is so old, if the free drivers do not support it, probably nothing will
• 5019[18:51:25] <jelly> er, la_mettrie ^^
• 5020[18:51:42] <teraflops> savask: adwaita dark (gnome's default) replaced-url
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• 5022[18:51:56] <jelly> la_mettrie: how old is the rest of this system? do you have a pastebin of "lspci -nn" ?
• 5023[18:52:22] <la_mettrie> it's lenovo thinkcentre m55 from the year 2006
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• 5026[18:53:34] <savask> teraflops: How can you live with scrollbars so thin
• 5027[18:53:37] <shtrb> la_mettrie , I'm running on xpress 1100
• 5028[18:53:45] <teraflops> thin?
• 5029[18:53:59] <teraflops> savask: why are you still trying ff themes? it picks gtk3 system settings now.
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• 5032[18:54:23] <n_blownapart> hello I installed chromium and get "chromium is not your default browser" on every load. I attempted to remove iceweasel since I couldn't figure out how to deselect iceweasel as the default. removing iceweasel involves removing gnome. what is the secret? (jessie 8 32 bit gnome) thanks
• 5033[18:54:30] <savask> teraflops: I'm not trying any FF themes. Raleigh is a GTK2 theme the rest of my applications use
• 5034[18:54:33] <shtrb> la_mettrie , if you have something like best buy near you check if they sell displaylink for USB2 debian should support it
• 5035[18:54:43] <shtrb> as a last resort
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• 5037[18:55:10] <teraflops> savask: unless you pick an addon from ff itself I dont know if those thing will work
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• 5039[18:55:29] <n_blownapart> I couldn't do it from the cli after numerous attempts ^
• 5040[18:55:38] <jelly> la_mettrie: wikipedia says that has core2duo intel inside, 2d ought to work
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• 5042[18:55:44] <teraflops> savask: ah, thats fine, but go pick a gtk3 one
• 5043[18:55:44] <matlock> shtrb CUT MY LIFE INTO PIECES
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• 5045[18:55:53] <shtrb> matlock , why ?
• 5046[18:56:04] <savask> teraflops: They abandoned Raleigh :/
• 5047[18:56:06] <allan_wind> Does anyone know if it is possible to to upgrade the amt firmware (on a lenovo thinkpad p50) without booting windows?
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• 5050[18:56:23] <jelly> allan_wind: ask in ##ibmthinkpad
• 5051[18:56:23] <teraflops> savask: yeah youre having a bad day eh? ;P
• 5052[18:56:30] <savask> Yes ;_;
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• 5054[18:56:38] <allan_wind> jelly: thx, I will
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• 5058[18:57:45] <n_blownapart> anyone ? ^
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• 5062[18:58:32] <jelly> n_blownapart: maybe somewhere in gnome settings?
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• 5064[18:58:50] <teraflops> jelly: indeed
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• 5066[18:59:06] <jelly> there's a place to pick the "default browser"?
• 5067[18:59:09] <greycat> n_blownapart: iceweasel is a transitional package now. It just exists long enough to bring in firefox-esr. If you want to remove iceweasel/firefox-esr, remove both of those packages.
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• 5069[18:59:34] <jelly> no idea if chromium itself will pick up on that
• 5070[18:59:34] <teraflops> jelly: yeah
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• 5072[19:00:16] <n_blownapart> greycat, thanks! I have something called firefox-esr on this os?
• 5073[19:00:31] <greycat> "dpkg -l | grep -E "firefox|iceweasel"'
• 5074[19:00:36] <greycat> err... fuck, quotes
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• 5076[19:00:49] <greycat> n_blownapart: dpkg -l | grep -E "firefox|iceweasel"
• 5077[19:00:58] <n_blownapart> and that won't touch gnome ? it says remove gnome gnome-core so I aborted greyca
• 5078[19:01:02] <jelly> n_blownapart: removing those would still remove gnome
• 5079[19:01:12] <teraflops> n_blownapart: replaced-url
• 5080[19:01:13] <greycat> gnome and gnome-core are just metapackages
• 5081[19:01:34] <eluus> I just finished installing debian 9. Wifi drivers are not installed
• 5082[19:01:36] <jelly> which got everything useful autoinstalled
• 5083[19:01:38] <eluus> sudo apt-get install firmware-iwlwifi doesn't work
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• 5085[19:01:47] <jimjamjim> timestamps in my log file are in the wrong timezone.. how do i fix this?!
• 5086[19:01:57] <eluus> it says "ackage firmware-iwlwifi is not available, but is referred to by another package.
• 5087[19:01:57] <eluus> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
• 5088[19:01:57] <eluus> is only available from another source"
• 5089[19:01:58] <jelly> dpkg, tell eluus about non-free sources
• 5090[19:02:02] <ChunkzZ> anyone know what version of LXQt is in stretch?!
• 5091[19:02:41] <jelly> judd: v lxqt
• 5092[19:02:41] <jolt> ChunkzZ: replaced-url
• 5093[19:02:42] <judd> Package: lxqt on amd64 -- buster: 13; stretch: 13; sid: 13
• 5094[19:02:49] <jelly> ChunkzZ: 13? does that make sense?
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• 5098[19:03:42] <n_blownapart> Do you agree with greycat jelly ?
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• 5100[19:03:53] <spacebug^> n_blownapart: apt-mark manual firefox-esr thunderbird
• 5101[19:04:15] <spacebug^> n_blownapart: then remove iceweasel and icedove if that was what you wanted
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• 5104[19:04:29] <spacebug^> just learn about this today
• 5105[19:04:31] <jelly> n_blownapart: technically yes, but that dosn't help you when a zillion gnome components gets removed
• 5106[19:04:31] <ChunkzZ> jolt: Sorry, your search gave no results
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• 5108[19:04:49] <n_blownapart> sorry, now what should I do?
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• 5110[19:05:01] <spacebug^> n_blownapart: apt-mark manual firefox-esr thunderbird
• 5111[19:05:11] <n_blownapart> iceweasel doesn't seem to keep up with google
• 5112[19:05:13] <spacebug^> then: apt-get remove iceweasel icedove
• 5113[19:05:16] <jelly> n_blownapart: find where to choose default browser app in gnome control panel, maybe
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• 5117[19:05:29] <teraflops> n_blownapart: replaced-url
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• 5119[19:05:45] <teraflops> try harder mate
• 5120[19:06:01] <jelly> no habla español, mate
• 5121[19:06:30] <n_blownapart> no habla mismo mate
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• 5123[19:07:03] <jelly> n_blownapart: and if that doesn't help, there are other things to try
• 5124[19:07:12] <n_blownapart> thanks
• 5125[19:07:48] <jelly> like "update-alternatives --config x-replaced-url
• 5126[19:08:16] <greycat> xdg has its own separate concept of the "default browser" entirely outside of Debian's alternatives system
• 5127[19:08:34] <greycat> it's almost entirely certain that he wants the xdg stuff, not update-alternatives
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