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0 [00:00:33] <Fallenour> ,v sqlalchemy ?
1 [00:00:34] <judd> No package named 'sqlalchemy' was found in amd64.
2 [00:00:47] <Fallenour> ,v sqlalchemy
3 [00:00:48] <judd> No package named 'sqlalchemy' was found in amd64.
4 [00:00:52] <Fallenour> :(
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7 [00:01:29] <teraflops> why the sad face? it's just asking in debian for reasons for piking another distro looks at least odd
8 [00:01:33] <jhutchins> Fallenour: Use apt-file to see if it's in some other package.
9 [00:01:43] <Fallenour> omg thank you
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14 [00:02:23] <Fallenour> jhutchins command not found
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17 [00:02:50] <jhutchins> command not installed by user.
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19 [00:03:15] <Fallenour> lool
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25 [00:04:54] <Fallenour> ok so I got it installed
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28 [00:05:22] <Fallenour> would syntax be apt-file -l action sqlalchemy
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30 [00:05:48] <jhutchins> Fallenour: man apt-file
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47 [00:10:51] <jhutchins> (There are other things you need to know.)
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49 [00:10:59] <Fallenour> hey jhutchins, it gave me all of these. o.o
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51 [00:11:24] <Fallenour> replaced-url
52 [00:11:34] <jhutchins> Some binaries can be provided by more than one package.
53 [00:11:39] <Fallenour> do I really need to install all of those? o.O
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55 [00:12:11] <Fallenour> I think those are all in the openstack package? How do I check?
56 [00:12:21] <Fallenour> dkpg -L ?
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60 [00:13:09] <jhutchins> Fallenour: Just one. I would guess the python one.
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62 [00:13:16] <Fallenour> hmmm
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64 [00:13:22] <Fallenour> its showing python and python3
65 [00:13:31] <jhutchins> Fallenour: Something about each of those packages matched your query, which wasn't terribly specific.
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67 [00:13:47] <jhutchins> Fallenour: So whatever matches what you're using.
68 [00:14:11] <Fallenour> Snyax used: sudo apt-file -l search sqlalchemy
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70 [00:14:26] <Fallenour> I thought the -l option was supposed to show packages only.
71 [00:14:59] <Fallenour> 8O
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73 [00:15:03] <Fallenour> flask is missing!
74 [00:15:32] <jhutchins> Fallenour: That is what it showed.
75 [00:16:27] <jhutchins> Perhaps the documentation for keystone/openstack might explain what packages you need for certain things? You don't seem to be much of a doc reader.
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77 [00:16:56] <Fallenour> oddly enough, I am using the docs. I even downloaded and lookd over the 150+ page pdf on it
78 [00:17:01] <Fallenour> and Ive got videos
79 [00:17:15] <jhutchins> ..and you've been running linux for 17 years.
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81 [00:17:32] <Fallenour> lol no way
82 [00:18:19] <Fallenour> I was still drooling over legos 10 years ago playing with breadboards and circuits. No linux is newer to me. Maybe 9 years if Im lucky
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105 [00:30:01] <Fallenour> hey jhutchins whats the best way for me to remove all my non essential packages and start over? other than wiping and rebuilding if possible. I was thinking of using apt-get remove * , but I dont know what they will do, destructive nature wise, other than remove what I think is my packages
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143 [00:46:50] <Fallenour> ,v keystone
144 [00:46:51] <judd> Package: keystone on amd64 -- wheezy: 2012.1.1-13+wheezy1; jessie: 2014.1.3-6; jessie-backports: 2:9.0.0-2~bpo8+1; sid: 2:10.0.0-9; stretch: 2:10.0.0-9
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147 [00:50:15] <paw> hi packaging question. I'm trying to package something that has systemd scripts. but I also want to modify postinst to add some commands, I don't want to override dh_systemd commmands, how do I do this?
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490 [01:35:42] <donofrio_> when I see this in server.log is it the ear file that needs the fonts? "Font 'Times-Roman' is not available to the JVM" what is resolution steps?
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497 [01:39:26] <TomG2> donofrio: 751 I suppose
498 [01:39:27] <Tonk>
499 [01:39:37] <TomG2> 4 = read, 2 = write, 1 = execute
500 [01:39:52] <TomG2> that takes me back
501 [01:39:58] <TomG2> a bit
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508 [01:42:40] <donofrio_> TomG2, not 771?
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510 [01:43:08] <TomG2> that would make it rwxrwx--x
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512 [01:43:29] <TomG2> you can always use chmod with the letter arguments, instead of octal
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514 [01:43:51] <TomG2> there's more information on replaced-url
515 [01:44:04] <francine> Where's the 9.0.0 ISO?
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527 [01:47:56] <Violinist> will i be able to update to debian stretch stable from rc?
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533 [01:48:30] <TomG2> Violinist, yes, always
534 [01:48:45] <TomG2> francine, no idea. is it even released yet?
535 [01:48:49] <TomG2> dpkg, stretch?
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538 [01:50:09] <sypher> TomG2: Don't believe so.
539 [01:50:10] <missmbob> no, it's not.
540 [01:50:40] <francine> It's already 2017-06-17 here
541 [01:50:41] <francine> :(
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543 [01:51:26] <petemc> not the part of here that resides in america
544 [01:52:29] <petemc> its 06/16/17 there, because putting month first makes lots of sense
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546 [01:53:24] <missmbob> i moved from brazil and every day i want to punch myself in the face
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548 [01:53:54] <petemc> not a great disposition
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550 [01:54:01] <TomG2> you can if you want to :-|
551 [01:54:04] <francine> I always have the same timezone
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555 [01:54:41] <petemc> francine time?
556 [01:54:57] <francine> petemc: 2 AM
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560 [01:55:27] <petemc> eternal
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562 [01:55:46] <petemc> oh, thats 3am
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565 [01:56:17] <francine> Yes
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705 [02:59:46] <kunwon> is debian linux?
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723 [03:07:06] <max_nl> depends on what define as equality...
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755 [03:23:05] <Fallenour> jelly greycat almost got it all done. In debian, is there a way to capture an iamge of an entire system as it is currently, and export it anywhere?
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762 [03:25:10] <Tonk> Fallenour, by an entire system, do you mean just a partion?
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766 [03:26:10] <Fallenour> Tonk I mean in windows, C:, in Debian umm...whatever the equivalent to C is?
767 [03:26:18] <Fallenour> right now im on a single major partition
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769 [03:26:24] <Fallenour> so im guessing its just / ?
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775 [03:28:36] <max_nl> Doesn't really make sense to backup you're whole system like that. You'll backup a lot of crap.
776 [03:28:37] <Tonk> Fallenour, yes. So dd your / partition to another partition.
777 [03:29:01] <Tonk> max_nl, how would you do it?
778 [03:29:05] <Fallenour> ok so with dd, can I do that over the network, to say a freenas volume? 8D
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782 [03:29:32] <max_nl> Just wondering what he's trying to do.
783 [03:29:41] <Tonk> Fallenour, ooh, over the network.
784 [03:29:47] <Fallenour> ive successfully built openstack on debian
785 [03:29:57] <Fallenour> im not about to do anything else until I made a damn copy LOOOL
786 [03:30:19] <Tonk> makes sense.
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790 [03:30:59] <Tonk> max_nl, he's trying to make a back up.
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793 [03:31:24] <Tonk> read archive. bootable, I'd say.
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801 [03:33:44] <Tonk> i dont know how to do it over a network. in one step.
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811 [03:35:40] <Fallenour> alright tonk I apreciate it
812 [03:36:14] <jmcnaught> Fallenour: if you used LVM and some unallocated space then you can make a snapshot
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815 [03:36:52] <Fallenour> jmcnaught I actually did use LVM, I always do. how do I create a snapshot?
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818 [03:38:57] <jmcnaught> Fallenour: with a command like "lvcreate -s volumegroup/origin_volume -L 3G -n snapshot_name" (the lvcreate man page has a lot of details and also some examples)
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822 [03:39:39] <jmcnaught> that would make a snapshot that has 3 GB of space to record changes, obviously you would also need some unallocated space on that volume group
823 [03:40:24] <jmcnaught> the redhat lvm admin manual is really good if you need to brush up on the concepts a bit
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825 [03:41:41] <Fallenour> how can i force a service to start?
826 [03:42:26] <Darby_Crash> hi guys. Is Stretch the new stable now?
827 [03:42:47] <dvs> !wwsr
828 [03:42:47] <dpkg> Debian 9 "Stretch" is planned for release on 2017-06-17. There's still bugs that you can help fix or help migrate from sid to stretch. Ask me about <stretch freeze>, <how-can-i-help> replaced-url
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832 [03:43:38] <mackaw> 1566 bugs
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839 [03:45:33] <jmcnaught> Fallenour: what do you mean force? "systemctl enable foo.service" will make it start at boot, or change enable to start to start it immediately. If something doesn't start, you need to find why in the logs or "systemctl status foo"
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845 [03:47:11] <kunwon> so debian isn't linux?
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847 [03:47:25] <mackaw> it is
848 [03:47:28] <mackaw> its a fork
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851 [03:48:04] <kunwon> so which one was it that isn't linux?
852 [03:48:07] <kunwon> ubuntu?
853 [03:48:15] <sypher> mackaw: Debian is a fork of what, exactly?
854 [03:48:23] <mackaw> i don't understand what you mean
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857 [03:49:09] <sorin-mihai> kunwon, maybe you think about the *BSD variants?
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859 [03:49:10] <sypher> Linux is a kernel. Debian, Ubuntu, and many other distributions are operating systems that use the Linux kernel. Debian uses the GNU userland, which is why it is called Debian GNU/Linux.
860 [03:49:22] <sypher> replaced-url
861 [03:49:26] <jmcnaught> mackaw: a fork is when a project splits into two projects and continue separately. Debian is better described as a distribution of Linux with GNU and other software
862 [03:49:36] <mackaw> yeah i should have said flavor of linux
863 [03:49:50] <mackaw> BSD is fork
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865 [03:49:59] <sorin-mihai> GNU/Hurd is not using Linux
866 [03:50:16] <sorin-mihai> BSD is not Linux
867 [03:50:18] <sypher> mackaw: A fork of what?
868 [03:50:36] <Fallenour> its telling me no MPM loaded
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870 [03:50:45] <Fallenour> for apache2
871 [03:50:45] <TomG2> the extant BSDs are all forks of 386BSD I suppose
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874 [03:50:57] <jmcnaught> true, and there's also Debian GNU/kFreeBSD. however this non-support discussion is probably better off in #debian-offtopic ☺
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876 [03:51:07] <TomG2> or descendants
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879 [03:51:20] <jmcnaught> Fallenour: is the apache2 package installed?
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882 [03:51:32] <Fallenour> @jmcnaught yea it should be
883 [03:51:37] <Fallenour> ok this is gonna be insane
884 [03:51:45] <Fallenour> but if I give you direct access, would that help?
885 [03:51:47] <mackaw> Whoa a FreeBSD Debian??
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890 [03:53:10] <jmcnaught> Fallenour: nah that's not a good idea, but all of us here can help you figure it out
891 [03:53:52] <Fallenour> im literally on the final step, the actual final step to any openstack install, and apache2 is down, its absolutely critical I get it back up and running
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893 [03:55:21] <jmcnaught> Fallenour: can you make a paste of "ls -l /etc/apache2/mods-enabled"?
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895 [03:55:40] <Fallenour> Ill try once it reboots
896 [03:56:04] <TomG2> dpkg, tell mackaw about kfreebsd
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903 [03:58:31] <Fallenour> replaced-url
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906 [03:59:34] <Fallenour> I do have an idea of what it might be
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908 [03:59:46] <Fallenour> when I installed my apache dashboard, it killed the service and generated an error
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910 [04:00:09] <Fallenour> how do I safely remove the dashboard package, and try to install it again, this time with the package maintainers suggested install?
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914 [04:02:13] <mackaw> apt-gget remove
915 [04:02:16] <sorin-mihai> no real need to uninstall something that didn't install as expected. just reinstall it following the docs
916 [04:02:21] <Fallenour> alraedy tried it, didnt work
917 [04:02:28] <Fallenour> I followed the docs to the t
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921 [04:03:39] <sorin-mihai> pastebin the error?
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928 [04:06:12] <Fallenour> yea gimme a sec, gonna finish image services install
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934 [04:07:38] <jmcnaught> why are you pushing ahead with new stuff? if the new stuff also doesn't work then you'll have to broken things instead of one.
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938 [04:08:59] <jmcnaught> you do have an MPM loaded, the event module (the default)
939 [04:10:11] <Fallenour> ooh hell
940 [04:10:13] <Fallenour> question
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942 [04:10:52] <Fallenour> if I say, set replaced-url
943 [04:11:01] <Fallenour> and I dont know about MPM loaded? What is that?
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947 [04:12:27] <guestoflife> kinda excited about the new packages in debian..yup just sayin!
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949 [04:13:21] <jmcnaught> Fallenour: can you make a paste of "systemctl status apache2" and "journalctl -u apache2 -b"?
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951 [04:13:55] <Fallenour> yea, give me a moment
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957 [04:16:07] <jmcnaught> Fallenour: the other place you would look for errors with apache is /var/log/apache2/error.log (and others) but these will be runtime errors that happen after apache2 has started successfully
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981 [04:27:13] <Fallenour> ok uploading one sec jmcnaught
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984 [04:28:05] <Fallenour> no journal files found
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986 [04:28:13] <Fallenour> apache2 logs were empty?
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991 [04:29:24] <Fallenour> this is what I get on start:
992 [04:29:27] <Fallenour> Loaded: loaded (/etc/init.d/apache2)
993 [04:29:27] <Fallenour> Drop-In: /lib/systemd/system/apache2.service.d
994 [04:29:27] <Fallenour> └─forking.conf
995 [04:29:27] <Fallenour> Active: failed (Result: exit-code) since Fri 2017-06-16 22:28:25 EDT; 21s ago
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999 [04:30:43] <Fallenour> replaced-url
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1015 [04:48:08] <tw> it's been so long since I've run apache. Does apachectl configtest still work?
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1020 [04:54:37] <jmcnaught> Fallenour: did you run those commands as root? if you want to see that information as a regular non-root user, add that user to the adm and systemd-journal groups with the adduser command
1021 [04:56:32] <Fallenour> I got a failed to start LSB
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1072 [05:29:59] <Fallenour> ,v snapshot
1073 [05:30:00] <judd> No package named 'snapshot' was found in amd64.
1074 [05:30:15] <Fallenour> hey jmcnaught are you still on?
1075 [05:30:21] <Fallenour> how do I do the snapshot again?
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1083 [05:36:06] <f-a> hello folks, today (or yesterday) I apt-get update/upgrade my system and now firefox has gnome like scrollbars (like this replaced-url
1084 [05:36:48] <f-a> I prefer the old style and behaviour. I haven't got a de installed so I suppose it's a firefox choice. Any way to change it back?
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1087 [05:38:07] <f-a> (scroll bar being the one on the right)
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1093 [05:40:53] <jmcnaught> Fallenour: with lvcreate replaced-url
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1103 [05:46:32] <Fallenour> thanks jmcnaught ill look at it tomorrow. gonna crash for tonight. see you guys tomorrow
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1110 [05:50:28] <hiya> is Debian 9 out?
1111 [05:50:34] <hiya> or is there time?
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1118 [05:58:27] <yokisuci> hypermist: Shouldbe released today
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1121 [05:59:32] <yokisuci> hypermist: 17th June that is ^^
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1141 [06:12:30] <hypermist> yokisuci, i think you may've pinged me :P
1142 [06:12:33] <hypermist> and im the wrong one
1143 [06:12:34] <hypermist> lel
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1153 [06:19:38] <jack_> hello.. when is debian 9 going to be released?
1154 [06:19:47] <jack_> eagerly waiting for that.
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1157 [06:20:48] <iskandaralmalak> on 17 th
1158 [06:21:04] <jack_> ok
1159 [06:21:33] <zinc> eh...
1160 [06:21:41] <zinc> nvm
1161 [06:21:47] <jack_> is debian the most preferred distro?
1162 [06:22:05] <iskandaralmalak> it is mine
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1165 [06:22:42] <jack_> how is it compared to others like mint and manjaro?
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1168 [06:24:41] <bullgard4> jack_: To get a faint idea, read replaced-url
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1171 [06:25:08] <bullgard4> s/tow/two/
1172 [06:25:26] <dax> lol distrowatch
1173 [06:25:49] <jack_> can distrowatch page hit rankings be relied upon?
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1176 [06:26:24] <dax> they're reliably based on page hits
1177 [06:26:36] <dax> why you would care how often people go on the distrowatch pages for various distros is beyond me
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1179 [06:27:02] <jack_> ok. How can I install debian and make it as usable to newbies as mint or ubuntu?
1180 [06:27:34] <jack_> I find the stability of debian more appealing.
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1184 [06:29:24] <jack_> I found another distro on that site. mx linux. how is that? it is based on debian stable.
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1234 [07:11:11] <sumyunseal> is the release coming
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1237 [07:12:43] <tharkun> Aloha, how many files can I list with a command like ls *txt
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1242 [07:13:51] <themill> tharkun: it's limited by the buffer length not the number of files; usually it's a good time to use 'find' if this is a problem
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1248 [07:16:12] <tharkun> themill: Long time no see my friend. Thanks for the answer. I still have to generate the second part that are about another 45k so I'll dig into find.
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1260 [07:21:07] <themill> !arg_max
1261 [07:21:07] <dpkg> extra, extra, read all about it, arg_max is the maximum length of arguments for a process, defined in /usr/include/linux/limits.h (normally 131072). for an estimation of the actually usable value run "expr `getconf ARG_MAX` - `env | wc -c` - `env | wc -l` * 5 - 2048"
1262 [07:21:15] <themill> I knew the bot had it somewhere....
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1270 [07:24:55] <dax> hrm, that command doesn't work for me
1271 [07:25:10] <dax> something about the *5 bit is making it unhappy
1272 [07:26:29] <dax> oh, duh, because bash thinks it's a wildcard
1273 [07:26:43] <themill> yeah, I've poked dpkg about that
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1275 [07:28:26] <tharkun> themill: Thanks again
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1278 [07:29:53] <tharkun> themill: BTW I copy pasted the command and it rendered a expr: syntax error it's a bit too late for me to debug right now. Good night.
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1280 [07:30:06] <themill> tharkun: replace * with \* in it
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1359 [08:25:38] <xormor> I already downloaded "stretch" yesterday. Is it the same version that will come out today?
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1361 [08:26:25] <nkuttler> xormor: does it matter? you can just upgrade anyway
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1365 [08:27:56] <sumyunseal> is it release yet
1366 [08:28:18] <themill> xormor: the packages are these same, the gpg signature will be different
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1373 [08:33:09] <t0m> every time i try to run a java program either from command line or in ice weasel it logs me out and drops me back to the login screen, any suggestions?
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1393 [08:40:56] <Fyr> today is 17th!
1394 [08:41:01] <Fyr> where is Debian 9?
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1397 [08:42:09] <sumyunseal> is it here
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1400 [08:44:25] <sumyunseal> oh i see
1401 [08:44:37] <sumyunseal> ive been trying to install node while runing out of space
1402 [08:44:42] <sumyunseal> duuuuuuuuuur
1403 [08:44:48] <sumyunseal> fuk my life
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1406 [08:46:08] <boser> debian 9 run fine on my little laptop. now.
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1411 [08:47:20] <ripdog> does pre-release stretch upgrade cleanly into release stretch?
1412 [08:47:24] <zjoeke> got a problem with my audio if i put a volume slider on the taskbar and slide it to 0 it mutes 2 other channels in alsa mixer so i have to unmute them ?
1413 [08:47:52] <tacocat> ripdog: it should be fine
1414 [08:48:00] <ripdog> thanks
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1424 [08:57:08] <pie3> anyone using wireshark?
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1451 [09:07:19] <xormor> pie3, I used to use it a bit. Haven't used it for a while.
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1456 [09:07:44] <pie3> ok xormor
1457 [09:07:52] <pie3> is it possible to start it wihotu sudo?
1458 [09:07:57] <xormor> pie3, yes!
1459 [09:08:08] <pie3> how? xormor
1460 [09:08:10] <xormor> pie3, you have to add your user to the group "wireshark".
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1462 [09:08:14] <pie3> replaced-url
1463 [09:08:17] <pie3> does this define ?
1464 [09:08:21] <pie3> how to add it?
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1466 [09:08:38] <xormor> pie3, groupadd wireshark... let me try to install it myself...
1467 [09:08:41] <pie3> i am not much aware about users and group since i am new to linux
1468 [09:08:45] <xormor> pie3, or addgroup
1469 [09:08:46] <pie3> ok
1470 [09:08:57] <pie3> shoudl i open the terminal?
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1472 [09:09:28] <xormor> pie3, yes.
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1474 [09:09:39] <o33> Follow the command: dpkg-reconfigure wireshark-common
1475 [09:09:47] <pie3> opened
1476 [09:09:55] <pie3> what should i enter now?
1477 [09:10:28] <pie3> usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure must be run as root
1478 [09:10:30] <pie3> this is output
1479 [09:10:33] <Hyp3ri0n> replaced-url
1480 [09:10:39] <pie3> when i run command suggested by you o33
1481 [09:10:41] <Hyp3ri0n> follow this guide
1482 [09:10:49] <pie3> replaced-url
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1484 [09:10:51] <pie3> can this help?
1485 [09:10:52] <pie3> how?
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1487 [09:10:57] <pie3> tell me step by step please
1488 [09:11:07] <xormor> pie3, "Dumpcap can be installed in a way that allows members of the "wireshark" system group to capture packets. This is recommended │ │ over the alternative of running Wireshark/Tshark directly as root, because less of the code will run with elevated privileges. │ │ │ │ For more detailed
1489 [09:11:07] <xormor> information please see /usr/share/doc/wireshark-common/README.Debian. │ │ │ │ Enabling this feature may be a security risk, so it is disabled by default. If in doubt, it is suggested to leave it disabled. │ │ │ │ Should non-superusers be able to capture packets? "
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1491 [09:11:47] <rahdartus> can somebody help me on kali
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1493 [09:11:49] <OtakuSenpai> just "click" the link,its explained there
1494 [09:11:52] <o33> pie3: sudo dpkg-reconfigure wireshark-common
1495 [09:11:52] <at0m> !kali
1496 [09:11:52] <dpkg> Kali Linux (replaced-url
1497 [09:11:53] <OtakuSenpai> !kali
1498 [09:12:54] <pie3> o33: it opened a window?
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1500 [09:12:58] <pie3> should i press ok?
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1502 [09:13:08] <pie3> replaced-url
1503 [09:13:12] <o33> If you don't use sudo, you need to switch to root user.
1504 [09:13:14] <pie3> sorry wrong link pasted
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1506 [09:13:28] <xormor> how do I add user "lauri" to group "wireshark"?
1507 [09:13:34] <xormor> I am flabbergasted.
1508 [09:13:40] <pie3> someone suggested me that one should not use sudo while running wireshark
1509 [09:13:49] <pie3> so i am lookign for alternate ways to run wireshark
1510 [09:13:56] <o33> xormor: useradd -a -G wireshark lauri
1511 [09:14:18] <pie3> is this waht i should follow? xormor
1512 [09:14:24] <pie3> o33 instruction
1513 [09:14:28] <pie3> or command
1514 [09:14:33] <OtakuSenpai> pie3: for got damn sake just see the link i posted
1515 [09:14:39] <mappy> less of wireshark runs as root, sure, but now any process running as you can capture packets
1516 [09:14:41] <OtakuSenpai> replaced-url
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1521 [09:16:10] <o33> It isn't necessary to use root to run and manage Wireshark.
1522 [09:18:18] <skurz0> I feel the sys/random.h header is missing on /usr/include. According to getrandom(2) it should be present (and I feel it should come with libc). Does anyone have any hint?
1523 [09:18:20] <xormor> sudo useradd -g lauri wireshark
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1525 [09:18:30] <xormor> in the place of "lauri" there needs to be the username.
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1527 [09:19:13] <o33> xormor: "lauri" isn't your login user?
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1530 [09:19:48] <xormor> o33, it is my login user on my machine... I will log out now and relogin. It already displayed the group in the console, "wireshark".
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1533 [09:20:15] <BenNZ> xormor: need to use usermod -aG instead
1534 [09:20:26] <o33> xormor: yep, you need reboot OS.
1535 [09:20:27] <rahdartus> i hv problem on installing virtual box on kali
1536 [09:20:46] <at0m> dpkg: tell rahdartus about kali
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1538 [09:21:18] <xormor> now it works
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1541 [09:21:45] <o33> xormor: sorry, BenNZ has adjusted the fault. it should be to use usermod command.
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1545 [09:22:23] <at0m> rahdartus: please do not /msg individual users. follow what dpkg told you.
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1547 [09:23:17] <o33> no adjust, Thank BenNZ for pointing out the wrong.
1548 [09:24:11] <mappy> skurz0: looks like a real bug, debian doesn't have any packages containing the right sys/random.h afaict
1549 [09:24:20] <mappy> only kfreebsd headers and unrelated packages
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1551 [09:24:45] <mappy> i assume libstdc++'s tr1/random.h isn't equivalent
1552 [09:24:50] <skurz0> i think so, can you open a bug report?
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1555 [09:25:06] <skurz0> shouldn't be, getrandom is a syscall
1556 [09:26:03] <mappy> you can call the syscall directly with the headers in <linux/random.h>, right? so this is a case of the provided glibc headers not matching the man page
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1559 [09:26:55] <mappy> oh, figured it out
1560 [09:27:02] <mappy> my glibc on stretch is 2.24, man 2 getrandom says "Support was added to glibc in version 2.25"
1561 [09:27:29] <mappy> i guess that means it will be automatically fixed once debian gets a newer glibc
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1563 [09:28:20] <skurz0> ouch, i also have 2.24
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1565 [09:28:43] <skurz0> so this issue is closed
1566 [09:28:49] <skurz0> thanks a lot
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1568 [09:30:01] <Bliepo> Hello everyone, my SSH logins are rather slow. During password and time code entering (I use Google-authenticator) everything is smooth. Then it 'hangs' for a bit and after that everything is smooth again.
1569 [09:30:38] <skurz0> Bliepo: probably DNS issues
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1571 [09:31:14] <JNICH0L> Bliepo: Local or remote?
1572 [09:32:13] <Bliepo> remote
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1575 [09:33:21] <Bliepo> skurz0: DNS works fine though?
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1577 [09:34:01] <o33> pie3: It must have a prompt to tell you what's wrong.
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1579 [09:35:03] <spacebug^> Bliepo: is it a very old and slow computer, and you are using encrypted home?
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1581 [09:35:47] <Bliepo> It is not an old computer, but it is only an intel celeron
1582 [09:35:53] <Bliepo> I am not using encrypted home
1583 [09:36:03] <spacebug^> ok, then it's not that
1584 [09:36:31] <mappy> the DNS suggestion is because sshd will rdns lookup the connecting IP, how fast is it to rdns look up your ip? do you have a caching resolver installed locally?
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1586 [09:36:46] <mappy> any slow scripts in your motd or shell prompt? etc
1587 [09:36:49] <Bliepo> I have dnsmasq installed yes
1588 [09:37:06] <Bliepo> No scripts or motd
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1591 [09:38:05] <mappy> if no one comes up with another obvious answer... you could run sshd under strace to see what it's doing
1592 [09:39:14] <Bliepo> Hmmm
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1594 [09:39:19] <Bliepo> Will try that later
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1608 [09:44:21] <Bliepo> Actually, could it be PAM? I am getting this error with SFTP (ProFTPD server): PAM authentication error (14) for user : Cannot make/remove an entry for the specified session
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1614 [09:45:27] <Bliepo> Unfortunately don't have the time right now to do strace
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1621 [09:47:10] <pie3> back
1622 [09:47:26] <pie3> xormor: hi
1623 [09:47:27] <mappy> seems plausible... a question back to you, what's the benefit of running proftpd for an sftpd instead of just openssh?
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1625 [09:48:15] <Bliepo> Well, obviously that is for eh... errr... reasons :P
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1629 [09:49:01] <Bliepo> Also, I would like some users to have sftp access, but not have ssh
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1631 [09:50:20] <mappy> not trying to convert you or anything, but the ssh way of doing that is to set the user's login shell to /bin/false or the special ssh version of it
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1635 [09:50:48] <Bliepo> Hmmm
1636 [09:50:54] <Bliepo> That might actually be simpler
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1642 [09:54:12] <Bliepo> Well, that fixed my sftp problem, though that one is also slow
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1644 [09:54:52] <Bliepo> Well, thanks for the help!
1645 [09:55:04] <Bliepo> Have to leave now! Will do the strace later and come back
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1649 [09:56:55] <Dollar> Stretch released?
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1653 [09:57:39] <luna_> Dollar: they are working on it
1654 [09:57:48] <Dollar> alright :)
1655 [09:57:49] <luna_> #Debian-release: Idle quietly please, release in progress! for Stretch
1656 [09:58:00] <sumyunseal> are doing it
1657 [09:58:01] <sumyunseal> ?
1658 [09:58:14] <Dollar> I am waiting, the server too :D
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1661 [09:59:37] <Tegu> this site seems to have quite frequent updates replaced-url
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1668 [10:01:19] <sumyunseal> oldstable
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1670 [10:01:26] <sumyunseal> ok so what is wheezy coz
1671 [10:01:30] <sumyunseal> im using it
1672 [10:02:00] <sumyunseal> is wheezy granpa
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1679 [10:03:10] <abhikpal> sumyunseal: wheezy should be oldoldstable, no?
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1682 [10:03:57] <sumyunseal> no jessie is old stable
1683 [10:04:07] <Tegu> looks like you should upgrade your wheezy within one year replaced-url
1684 [10:04:38] <mappy> as of 10 minutes ago, it's stable=stretch oldstable=jessie oldoldstable=wheezy
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1686 [10:05:46] <Nik05> mappy where do you read that?
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1690 [10:06:31] <mappy> Nik05: replaced-url
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1692 [10:07:26] <Nik05> oké, nothing on news yet...
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1735 [10:29:41] <pie3> hyp3
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1749 [10:39:18] <xormor> pie3, hi
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1751 [10:39:55] <pie3> hello xormor was sleeping?
1752 [10:39:59] <xormor> pie3, it was not difficult for me to add the "wireshark" group for my user "lauri".
1753 [10:40:19] <pie3> how did you add it? xormor
1754 [10:40:19] <xormor> pie3, I was outside talking with my mathematician computer sciences neighbor.
1755 [10:40:20] <pie3> tell me
1756 [10:40:23] <xormor> pie3, I am brewing coffee now.
1757 [10:40:29] <pie3> wow great neighbour!!!!
1758 [10:41:14] <xormor> pie3, addgroup loginname wireshark
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1772 [10:48:17] <dalk> !based on debian
1773 [10:48:17] <dpkg> Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare replaced-url
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1787 [10:55:07] <pie3> xormor: what fun things can be done in wireshark
1788 [10:55:10] <pie3> tell me some things
1789 [10:55:14] <pie3> wireshark is open now
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1792 [10:57:13] <bazhang> replaced-url
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1795 [10:57:58] <pie3> give me some extracted thigns bazhang
1796 [10:58:04] <pie3> to try with some fun
1797 [10:58:07] <pie3> and learn
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1799 [10:58:23] <xormor> pie3, you have to choose "Any"
1800 [10:58:31] <bazhang> pie3, have a read of the link I gave you
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1822 [11:08:57] <xormor> pie3, you have to choose "Any"
1823 [11:09:26] <pie3> ok i choose it xormor
1824 [11:09:28] <pie3> what next
1825 [11:09:31] <pie3> how to interpret results
1826 [11:09:32] <xormor> pie3, then, read the text in the ASCII window - see the words freenode etc. there. and upper screen you have things like SYN, ACK and PONG.
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1829 [11:10:08] <xormor> pie3, SYN is "synchronize", ACK is "acknowledge", PONG is an answer to PING.
1830 [11:10:19] <xormor> pie3, you can try to see if your passwords are in plaintext.
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1834 [11:12:43] <pie3> i couldnot lcoate "freenode" in result xormor
1835 [11:13:15] <pie3> ascii window is top most window? xormor there are 3 main windows
1836 [11:13:53] <sumyunseal> what is this new gnome panel on bottom right
1837 [11:13:56] <sumyunseal> left
1838 [11:14:05] <sumyunseal> hwo i get rid of it
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1841 [11:15:18] <xormor> pie3, ASCII is lower
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1843 [11:16:00] <xormor> pie3, 1 0.000000000 37.136.37.253 62.241.198.245 DNS 79 Standard query 0x7c5e A chat.freenode.net
1844 [11:16:09] <pie3> lower window has only data like hex digits. there are no word like "freenode" even it displays one at a time so how to find across all packates?
1845 [11:16:11] <pie3> xormor:
1846 [11:16:13] <xormor> pie3, this is my first line, scroll up and find the first or one of the first lines.
1847 [11:16:20] <pie3> ok let me see
1848 [11:16:25] <xormor> pie3, ASCII is the lowest window with raw data.
1849 [11:16:44] <xormor> pie3, right hand side of the lowest window.
1850 [11:16:53] <pie3> hmm
1851 [11:16:55] <xormor> pie3, the left hand and center are hex digits.
1852 [11:17:09] <pie3> righthand side of lower panel is unreadable since random data
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1862 [11:20:54] <|subz3r0|> hi
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1865 [11:21:10] <|subz3r0|> any eta? just installed some bit torrent client to spend a little BW
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1867 [11:21:43] <Nik05> |subz3r0| eta on what?
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1869 [11:22:16] <|subz3r0|> the release? :)
1870 [11:22:24] <|subz3r0|> because i can still not find it
1871 [11:22:31] <Nik05> they are working on it replaced-url
1872 [11:22:42] <Nik05> respositories are already changed
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1876 [11:24:06] <iiious> waiting for debian 9 iso
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1879 [11:25:00] <TinkerTiger> Will Debian finally scramble me an egg?
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1881 [11:25:31] <bub_> debian 9 sooooon.. weeeeeeeeee
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1904 [11:32:22] <rozie> anyone wants to join upgrade to Strech with apt-p2p?
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1913 [11:36:53] <pie3> xormor: i dont have word freenode
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1917 [11:38:10] <iBattaglin> its coming today.....
1918 [11:38:13] <iBattaglin> wohoo
1919 [11:38:58] <terryflaps> rozie: is this some kind of ceremony to say hello to the new release? :P
1920 [11:42:05] <TinkerTiger> I *suppose* I will have to read up on this Debian 9 thing to see if it is worth my time.
1921 [11:42:30] <rozie> no, but it may be good moment to make p2p more popular
1922 [11:42:40] <terryflaps> xD
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1924 [11:43:28] <dalk> The release team are inspecting the final set of files for stretch #releasingstretch (replaced-url
1925 [11:43:56] <iBattaglin> :-)
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1932 [11:47:05] <bub_> Wooo :)
1933 [11:47:18] <dutchfish> also take a peak at replaced-url
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1949 [11:50:54] <ChunkzZ1> is it out yet? lol sorry if it's been asked already...
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1951 [11:52:02] <spacebug^> ChunkzZ1: no. Follow here replaced-url
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1953 [11:52:29] <TinkerTiger> Thinking about that many bugs makes me think too much of work.
1954 [11:52:51] <ChunkzZ1> spacebug^, thanks matey!
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2004 [12:13:12] <apurv> how long before debian 9 is released
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2010 [12:14:23] <TinkerTiger> Well, won't be able to update several of my machines. heh.
2011 [12:14:42] <abhikpal> apurv: replaced-url
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2014 [12:15:58] <apurv> abhikpal, thanks :)
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2016 [12:17:23] <maxxe> yes! stretch seems close. ;)
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2019 [12:17:51] <|subz3r0|> gogogogogogo :D
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2021 [12:18:14] <G1up1n0> on the way!
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2039 [12:23:26] <|subz3r0|> replaced-url
2040 [12:23:27] <|subz3r0|> :D
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2044 [12:23:57] <TinkerTiger> Is this more of a champaigne moment, or something more like Mountain Dew. ;)
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2047 [12:24:24] <|subz3r0|> good single malt
2048 [12:24:27] <|subz3r0|> moment
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2056 [12:29:59] <|subz3r0|> whos or what is buster?
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2059 [12:31:13] <at0m> |subz3r0|: buster is the new testing
2060 [12:31:36] <at0m> is, or better, will be
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2063 [12:32:12] <at0m> !buster
2064 [12:32:12] <dpkg> The release following Debian 9 "Stretch" is codenamed "Buster" (Andy's pet Dachshund in Toy Story) and will be Debian 10. replaced-url
2065 [12:33:11] <|subz3r0|> ahh :>
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2067 [12:34:18] <Nik05> Buster, not a toy... How unstable will it be?
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2070 [12:34:47] <TinkerTiger> So, the Buster Bar at Dairy Queen is named after a dog. No wonder it tastes funny.
2071 [12:34:49] <Nik05> Buster likes destroying toys
2072 [12:35:03] <at0m> in the film, buster is most cooperative with the toys. he doesn't destroy them at all
2073 [12:35:09] <Nik05> really?
2074 [12:35:19] <Nik05> guess I need to watch again
2075 [12:35:26] <at0m> he knows they're alive, helps them, till toystory3 where he's old and lazy and sleepy
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2077 [12:36:19] <Nik05> Sorry I misread
2078 [12:36:27] <Nik05> Andy's pet, but Sid's pet :P
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2081 [12:36:36] <Nik05> not*
2082 [12:36:41] <at0m> ah, indeed
2083 [12:36:43] <Nik05> Andy's pet, NOT Sid's pet :P
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2087 [12:37:47] <Nik05> at0m is he in toystory 1?
2088 [12:37:50] * RattusRattus joins in here because this channel is full on OFTC :-)
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2096 [12:38:49] <at0m> replaced-url
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2098 [12:39:07] <lavenders> what is the most stable window mangaer, no sugar - just solid and minimal?
2099 [12:39:20] <apurv> i3 wm?
2100 [12:39:22] <lavenders> ive had a look at all the shipped ones, what are your prefs, i like xfce but its old
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2102 [12:39:50] <|subz3r0|> xfce looks like its from the 90s
2103 [12:39:56] <|subz3r0|> same for lxde
2104 [12:39:58] <apurv> if you want just a WM and no DE, otherwise Xfce with Xfwm
2105 [12:39:59] <SynrG> i'm happy with openbox
2106 [12:39:59] <Tegu> i3 or awesome, maybe?
2107 [12:40:02] <|subz3r0|> kde is overloaded
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2109 [12:40:21] <Nik05> Guess I have never seen Toy Store 2
2110 [12:40:22] <apurv> xfce looks fine after a little tweaking
2111 [12:40:25] <RattusRattus> XFCE or LXDE are the smallest desktops.
2112 [12:40:41] <lavenders> its fine looking old, but the bugs in the terminal output argl, its last release was feb 15 lol
2113 [12:40:41] <SynrG> lxde has openbox as its wm
2114 [12:40:41] <|subz3r0|> Are we there yet?
2115 [12:40:43] <at0m> RattusRattus: *box begs to differ.
2116 [12:40:52] <SynrG> but you can use openbox by itself if you like
2117 [12:40:52] <RattusRattus> in todays release the only desktop that fits on a CD will be xfce
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2119 [12:41:05] <mrr0butt> hi
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2121 [12:41:24] <RattusRattus> at0m: OK of the supported desktops being currently built as official debian release right now....
2122 [12:41:26] <at0m> fluxbox, openbox,.. are way lightweight.
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2124 [12:41:31] <Nik05> Xfce looks fine by default...
2125 [12:41:36] <Nik05> at least on Debian
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2128 [12:42:10] <apurv> I've been using xfce for a long time, it's buggy, but doesn't feel old... an the less resource consumption is another good thing about it
2129 [12:42:15] <mrr0butt> have some issiues connecting wlan over network-manager in debian 9
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2131 [12:42:28] <at0m> the *box's use around 4MB, in sharp contrast to KDE which is in the 100s
2132 [12:42:37] <lavenders> apurv, i like/have xfce but because of the bugs i start to look around
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2138 [12:43:23] <apurv> lavenders, bugs can be a pain, but terminal works fine as a fallback for me
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2140 [12:43:43] <SynrG> lavenders: my compromise between a full on desktop and just a WM is to use lxde, but with certain things not autostarted, e.g. xscreensaver, pcmanfm (graphical file manager i don't like / use very often)
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2145 [12:44:18] <SynrG> so that gives me openbox plus a panel, and some other desktop integration (like the ability to show passive notification bubbles)
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2148 [12:44:30] <mrr0butt> if i turn off network-manager and connect with "ip link set dev <iface> up ; iw dev <iface> connect -w <ssid> <apmac> ; dhclient -v <iface>" everything is fine
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2150 [12:44:45] <RattusRattus> mrr0butt - I assume that you mean the testing version of debian 9 as stable is still 8.x
2151 [12:44:56] <mrr0butt> no strech
2152 [12:44:58] <mrr0butt> 9
2153 [12:45:10] <mrr0butt> stretch
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2155 [12:45:28] <mrr0butt> 4.9 kernel
2156 [12:45:47] <RattusRattus> stretch is still in testing (well frozen, the release is in progress)
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2159 [12:46:18] <Nik05> oh Sid's dog is called skid
2160 [12:46:22] <RattusRattus> but even so... network manager problems...
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2170 [12:47:55] <RattusRattus> mrr0butt: so have you deleted the AP entry from network manager and tried again? I know that there have been previous problems in this area
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2174 [12:48:36] <mrr0butt> yes i did and the ap im connecting is an open hotspot without encryption
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2177 [12:51:06] <RattusRattus> mrr0butt: so what happens when you try and use network manager? (ps and what desktop)
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2185 [12:51:49] <mrr0butt> xfce4, it makes 3 tries and stops trying
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2188 [12:53:10] <RattusRattus> mrr0butt: replaced-url
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2194 [12:55:12] <apurv> got to go guys... :)
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2200 [12:56:03] <Nik05> how long does it take to create an image for debian?
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2203 [12:56:42] <at0m> neglectible time compared to close release-critical bugs.
2204 [12:56:51] <Nik05> :P
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2266 [13:20:16] <yans> hello
2267 [13:20:28] <anjum> Greetings.
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2283 [13:30:52] <linuxthefish> hey, does anyone know what tools i can use to make a bootable windows 7 USB drive on debian? i've tried unetbootin but the USB drive doesn't show up
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2290 [13:33:35] <TinkerTiger> I don't but come to think of it, I need to do it for Win10 for a machine that just died.
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2298 [13:35:35] <teraflops> TinkerTiger: uefi?
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2303 [13:36:54] <lavenders> lol before i complain about xfce i sould probably update to x4.12, and there is x1.14 in the making, thumps up
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2305 [13:37:04] <Fyr> is Debian 9 release being postponed?
2306 [13:37:05] <lavenders> *x4.14
2307 [13:37:44] <RattusRattus> Fyr: no - it is in progress at the moment
2308 [13:38:02] <TheLemonMan> Fyr, replaced-url
2309 [13:38:09] <RattusRattus> do not expect images available for another few hours yet!
2310 [13:38:38] <lavenders> is it advisable to upgrade from deb8 to deb9, normal full installed amd64 ?
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2313 [13:39:45] <RattusRattus> if you want to help with the testing of images (especially if you have exotic/old bare metal) then take a look here: replaced-url
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2317 [13:41:49] <RattusRattus> images are not yet ready to test though
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2391 [14:07:43] <Eryn_1983_FL> hi peeps
2392 [14:07:51] <Eryn_1983_FL> how can i get sudo -l to go into columns?
2393 [14:07:57] <Eryn_1983_FL> its so hard to look at..
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2400 [14:10:46] <TinkerTiger> Sorry, sudo -l?
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2407 [14:15:48] <Eryn_1983_FL> oh snap i got it!
2408 [14:15:50] <Eryn_1983_FL> sudo -l | sort -n | sed 's/,/\n/g' | less
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2425 [14:23:36] <anjum> There's literally a utility called 'column'
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2436 [14:30:26] <pie3> what is importance of $PATH
2437 [14:30:30] <pie3> is it required to configure?
2438 [14:31:38] <toruvinn> pie3, you can leave it empty if you want to specify full path to every binary you're running. ;-) careful with scripts, though, they often assume core utilities are, well, in PATH.
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2440 [14:32:30] <pie3> so what is recommmended? toruvinn configuring $path?
2441 [14:32:32] <anjum> $PATH is an environment variable which is a string of paths to the directories to common utilities.
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2443 [14:32:37] <pie3> or leave it as it is?.
2444 [14:32:49] <pie3> i dont know what is by default $path with this OS
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2446 [14:33:45] <anjum> replaced-url
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2456 [14:37:34] <toruvinn> pie3, im fairly sure your distro (which should be debian, since it's #debian) sets up right PATH in your .shellrc or /etc/profile or other already. leave it as is, only add things there, probably 0 reason to remove anything.
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2459 [14:37:55] <toruvinn> for example, people often add ~/bin/ or similar to their path at the end
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2461 [14:38:15] <sypher> pie3: Note that he said 'add', not 'replace'.
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2467 [14:40:57] <sypher> pie3: You're also running Mint and not Debian, so this would be the wrong place to ask.
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2469 [14:42:00] <sypher> pie3: And please stop needlessly PMing me. Mint has a channel on Freenode, I believe.
2470 [14:42:09] <sypher> pie3: #linuxmint, I think?
2471 [14:42:26] <pie3> it has on spotchat
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2473 [14:42:48] <luna__> Debian release party @ mumble.debian.net
2474 [14:42:51] <sypher> pie3: I can tell you that $PATH is automatically configured on Mint as it is on Debian and most any other Linux distribution.
2475 [14:43:13] <sypher> pie3: What I can't tell you is how that automatic configuration might differ from Debian's. I'd encourage you to ask in a Mint channel.
2476 [14:43:15] <dontknow> isn't debian supposeto be released today_
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2479 [14:43:51] <sypher> dontknow: Yes, as far as I know. Of course, "today" is still early.
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2481 [14:44:20] <anjum> Specfically, a new version of Debian, ues.
2482 [14:44:24] <anjum> Specfically, a new version of Debian, yes.
2483 [14:44:32] <JuniusBrutus> We should sue Debian for false advertising
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2492 [14:46:09] <yann-kaelig> Hi. Did you see Debian 9 ?
2493 [14:46:21] <larsrh> I've just successfully upgraded to stretch, but there are three packages in '~o' that I can't remove: libgnutls-deb0-28, libhogweed2, and libnettle4. Trying to remove any of those would entail uninstalling curl and the like.
2494 [14:46:27] <larsrh> Can I fix this or should I ignore these packages?
2495 [14:47:22] <dontknow> i have four packages debian hold: kernel, kernel header, xorg
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2499 [14:47:54] <dontknow> i scare if they would break the system if i installed them
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2501 [14:47:58] <dontknow> dist-upgrade
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2535 [15:03:54] <zykotick9> toruvinn: <sidenote re: ~/bin> people don't actually need to add that to their path (in debian), just create the directory - log out - log in and it's automagically added to the users' path.
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2538 [15:05:40] <user____> at wat time wud debian.org reflect stretch?
2539 [15:06:16] <Ulrar> Good question
2540 [15:06:20] <JuniusBrutus> user____, it'll probably be announced here first replaced-url
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2542 [15:06:29] <Ulrar> According to mastodon test installs are in progress right now
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2544 [15:06:57] <user____> ok
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2565 [15:14:01] <larsrh> I managed to find a solution ... aptitude offered to downgrade librtmp1
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2592 [15:20:57] <fdbxnbee> hello
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2594 [15:21:07] <fdbxnbee> anyone online?
2595 [15:21:13] <dontknow> yes
2596 [15:21:21] <fdbxnbee> hey..
2597 [15:21:27] <fdbxnbee> got a question.
2598 [15:21:31] <persiandrugs> greetings
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2600 [15:21:35] <dontknow> ask
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2603 [15:21:50] <fdbxnbee> i'm on debian jessie 8.8
2604 [15:21:58] <fdbxnbee> and i want to upgrade to 9.0
2605 [15:22:08] <fdbxnbee> but i'm not currently using systemd
2606 [15:22:19] <fdbxnbee> what kind of issues could i face?
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2608 [15:22:30] <dontknow> bothering
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2611 [15:23:04] <persiandrugs> are you on sysinit?
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2614 [15:23:12] <fdbxnbee> yeah!
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2618 [15:24:46] <littlebit> hi people, I'm trying to mount an ftps, where the ftps server is an synology box using curftpfs, and I get an error message like this one: Error connecting to ftp: server certificate verification failed. CAfile: /etc/ssl/certs/ca-certificates.crt CRLfile: none
2619 [15:24:51] <littlebit> can someone help?
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2621 [15:25:42] <tw> how are you trying to mount the ftps?
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2627 [15:26:47] <damarusama> I want to link a file from a home directory into a public directory
2628 [15:26:54] <littlebit> tw: curlftpfs -o ssl,cacert=~/synology.pem,no_verify_peer 'ftps://user:password@10.0.0.100:21/' ~/server
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2631 [15:27:21] <damarusama> so that a file in /home/user/replaced-url
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2636 [15:28:31] <damarusama> ln -s would be all that is needed
2637 [15:28:31] <celyr> damarusama, man ln
2638 [15:28:35] <littlebit> tw: I downloaded the certificate with this command: openssl s_client -connect 10.0.0.100:443 | openssl x509 -out ~/synology.pem
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2640 [15:28:57] <celyr> damarusama, if you are using apache it might be configure to actually not follow symlinks
2641 [15:29:02] <tw> littlebit: wouldn't that give you just the server cert?
2642 [15:29:10] <littlebit> tw: yes
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2644 [15:29:41] <tw> I don't think curl is recognizing your cacert option at all.
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2649 [15:30:02] <littlebit> tw: ok, how would you do it?
2650 [15:30:05] <tw> But I've never used curlftpfs, so I don't know why that would be.
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2653 [15:30:19] <nkuttler> don't you have to run a command to refresh the certs from disk?
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2655 [15:30:51] <nkuttler> udpate-ca-certificates or somesuch
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2657 [15:31:34] <littlebit> nkuttler: you talking about my issue?
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2672 [15:34:43] <user____> as debian.org not reflecting stretch, test installs are being done with stretch rc5?
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2676 [15:36:34] <dontknow> user____, are you user_trisquel by any chance?
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2678 [15:37:34] <user____> no
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2686 [15:39:11] <simbalion`> \o/
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2703 [15:47:22] <ForceRecon> so hows it going on the ETA for release? Is there a countdown some place?
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2706 [15:47:48] <ForceRecon> and good morning btw
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2708 [15:48:04] <themill> it will be done when it's done (and there's nothing stopping you from using it already)
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2710 [15:48:31] <icarious> themill: Ok let me rephrase the popular question then.. 'Hiee.. what is the release date for Buster'
2711 [15:48:32] <icarious> :P
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2717 [15:49:23] <ForceRecon> replaced-url
2718 [15:49:34] <Fyr> it seems like the release isn't today.
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2720 [15:49:40] <Fyr> let's call it a day..
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2723 [15:50:08] <dontknow> deb replaced-url
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2725 [15:50:44] <missmbob> !stretch sources.list
2726 [15:50:44] <dpkg> A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for "Stretch" has three lines: "deb replaced-url
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2728 [15:51:05] <dontknow> missmbob, thanks
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2730 [15:51:32] <MichaelP> distrowatch shows 9.0 released as of now. but mirrors still show 8.8
2731 [15:51:52] <dontknow> missmbob, is order important?
2732 [15:52:02] <Dreaman> change repos to
2733 [15:52:05] <missmbob> dontknow: no
2734 [15:52:07] <Dreaman> stretch
2735 [15:52:11] <sypher> People are odd. It's still the 17th, and will be for a number of hours.
2736 [15:52:42] <missmbob> trust us, the topic will be changed *really* quickly
2737 [15:52:55] <sypher> Oh, I know. Not my first Debian release.
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2742 [15:56:46] <kdog> Is the release progress being posted on an IRC channel or only on the twitter @debian?
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2745 [15:57:42] <Ulrar> kdog: It's also on mastodon, but I guess that's not the question :P
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2750 [15:59:42] <missmbob> twitter? dear lord
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2752 [16:00:55] <RattusRattus> kdog: replaced-url
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2756 [16:01:11] <dontknow> there will be a lot of questions after upgrade i believe
2757 [16:01:44] <dontknow> people will break their system because they will not read the update manual
2758 [16:01:58] <dontknow> changelog etc
2759 [16:02:03] <asdadfwasxx> update manual?
2760 [16:02:08] <JuniusBrutus> dontknow, it'll be entertaining
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2762 [16:03:15] <dontknow> asdadfwasxx, debian releases and upgrade guade after every release
2763 [16:03:19] <JuniusBrutus> Sysadmins will pull their hair out if the upgrade breaks something
2764 [16:03:47] <nkuttler> JuniusBrutus: i prefer to fix the problems, ymmv
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2767 [16:04:45] <JuniusBrutus> I personally think that the upgrade will have some impact on the internet as a whole because of the huge differences between package versions
2768 [16:05:01] <tw> doubt it.
2769 [16:05:21] <tw> Normal people test outside of production.
2770 [16:05:25] <JuniusBrutus> Yeah, people won't bother upgrading
2771 [16:05:29] <missmbob> most professionals wont upgrade for a while, anyway
2772 [16:05:30] <JuniusBrutus> Not en masse
2773 [16:05:43] <RattusRattus> tw: lol - devops anyone?
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2775 [16:05:54] <nkuttler> wait for the first point release
2776 [16:05:56] <sypher> Real men dev in prod.
2777 [16:06:00] * sypher hides.
2778 [16:06:10] <RattusRattus> sypher: and use sid?
2779 [16:06:17] <sypher> Yes, exactly.
2780 [16:06:37] <RattusRattus> sypher: meh so they won't have any upgrade issues either :-p
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2789 [16:09:58] <asdadfwasxx> Stretch will be released today right?
2790 [16:10:11] <missmbob> most likely
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2792 [16:10:49] * sn0wmonster is already on stretch
2793 [16:11:03] <sn0wmonster> Tails!
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2796 [16:12:15] <missmbob> sn0wmonster: stay on topic
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2808 [16:18:11] <ausjke> is debian 9 released yet?
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2810 [16:18:19] <missmbob> ausjke: see /topic
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2812 [16:18:43] <tw> Is there a compatibility list of laptops that work with debian? My main concern is power management/battery life.
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2815 [16:19:42] <missmbob> tw: best bet is buy the best refurbished thinkpad you can on ebay
2816 [16:20:31] <tw> like pre-lenovo or have they maintained the old ways?
2817 [16:20:59] <missmbob> tw: lenovo's are still great.
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2822 [16:22:52] <anjum> As it happens, I've been looking at the ASUS Chromebook C201. Its Debian compatability and installation guide is well documented, also supports libreboot. It's not super high end in graphics or processing power, a compromise for getting 13 hours battery life.
2823 [16:23:02] <anjum> replaced-url
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2825 [16:23:22] <qman__> personally not a fan of the newest generation of lenovos, but the thinkpad models up to a couple years ago, when they still had thinkpad-style keyboards, are great
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2827 [16:24:00] <qman__> currently using an X220
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2832 [16:27:45] <anjum> I've been looking around for FSF-approved laptops, but many of them are about the same age as my current laptop probably wouldn't feel too much of an upgrade.
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2838 [16:28:19] <anjum> FSF-approved in theory, at least.
2839 [16:28:24] <tw> anjum: how do the f-keys work on a chromebook?
2840 [16:28:25] <johnkeates> that's because newer laptops don't work without closed binaries
2841 [16:28:25] <ausjke> missmbob: yeah read that but no official announcement yet
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2843 [16:28:46] <johnkeates> you can't run anything new. that's life.
2844 [16:28:51] <johnkeates> at least, not anything Intel/AMD
2845 [16:28:52] <missmbob> ausjke: right. meaning no release. /topic will be updated right away
2846 [16:28:54] <toruvinn> qman__, oh boy, you must be me. got w500 and x220 here. love them both. pity my x220 needs LCD replacement, it's in pretty bad condition (bought it used, was like that already)
2847 [16:28:59] * ausjke is preparing to upgrade D7 to D9 on an old website...
2848 [16:29:29] <anjum> Not sure tw, don't have a chromebook myself.
2849 [16:29:37] <missmbob> ausjke: 7-8 first, right?
2850 [16:29:43] <petn-randall> ausjke: You should upgrade to 8 first. Skipping releases will likely break your system (it's not being tested for the release and is not supported).
2851 [16:29:43] <johnkeates> on top of all the firmware for the CPU and motherboard and ME, think about the firmware in the NICs, HDD, SSD, ODD, EC, LCD, Trackpad/point, keyboard, charger
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2853 [16:30:25] <ausjke> missmbob: petn-randall: yes but this D7 is too old to do dist-upgrade so I need manually do it, thus D9
2854 [16:30:40] <ausjke> i mean i have lots of customized stuff there
2855 [16:30:40] <petn-randall> ausjke: That makes no sense what you're saying.
2856 [16:30:56] * missmbob stops listening
2857 [16:30:58] <petn-randall> ausjke: Maybe backing up, and then reinstalling is better?
2858 [16:31:06] <ausjke> yes
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2861 [16:32:10] <iBattaglin> 16:32:00 up 775 days, 4:23, 2 users, load average: 0.15, 0.35, 0.38
2862 [16:32:15] <iBattaglin> my debian 8 :D
2863 [16:33:06] <johnkeates> iBattaglin, how do you update your kernel?
2864 [16:33:14] <petn-randall> iBattaglin: So you haven't booted into a kernel without security issues?
2865 [16:33:15] <petn-randall> :)
2866 [16:33:23] <tw> Pretty sure there are a couple kernel exploits since then XD
2867 [16:34:12] <sypher> Yeah, that's not smart.
2868 [16:34:13] <iBattaglin> well.. its only my own.. not a production setup
2869 [16:34:20] <iBattaglin> runs a radio though
2870 [16:34:49] <asdadfwasxx> iBattaglin: 775days?? is it a server?
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2873 [16:35:09] <iBattaglin> yes
2874 [16:35:16] <johnkeates> does it serve exploits?
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2876 [16:35:25] <johnkeates> badum-tiss
2877 [16:35:36] <toruvinn> tw, the newest serious one i recall is the UDP recvfrom() one.
2878 [16:35:37] <dalk> the current topic of this channel says "Debian Stretch ETA 2017-06-17", what does ETA stands for?
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2880 [16:35:53] <johnkeates> it stand for "we don't know"
2881 [16:35:56] <iBattaglin> estimated time of arival
2882 [16:35:57] <missmbob> dalk: google it
2883 [16:36:06] <iBattaglin> arrival
2884 [16:36:07] <johnkeates> Erection Turns Awesome
2885 [16:36:09] <asdadfwasxx> dalk: Estimated Time of Arrival
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2887 [16:36:27] <iBattaglin> 3.16.0-4 I think mine is
2888 [16:36:27] <dalk> thanks I looked it in "replaced-url
2889 [16:36:51] <johnkeates> Eating Tablets of Acid
2890 [16:37:03] <johnkeates> Ending The Ages
2891 [16:37:25] <johnkeates> Estrogen To All
2892 [16:37:32] <asdadfwasxx> Eat that apple!
2893 [16:37:37] <johnkeates> haha
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2895 [16:37:40] <anjum> I set up a build server at work that's probably done 100 days so far, but I intend to keep it up for quite a while because rebooting it painful.
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2897 [16:37:57] <johnkeates> if rebooting is painful, you did it wrong :P
2898 [16:38:03] <johnkeates> imagine a power failure
2899 [16:38:06] <johnkeates> cooling failure
2900 [16:38:08] <johnkeates> ram failure
2901 [16:38:10] <johnkeates> kernel oops
2902 [16:38:16] <RattusRattus> asdadfwasxx: soylant green is people?
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2904 [16:38:49] <asdadfwasxx> RattusRattus: wot?
2905 [16:39:00] <iBattaglin> imagine people whining about kernel upgrades.. then when they too are fucked.. they cant do shit anyway :-)
2906 [16:39:08] <anjum> Well, 'painful' as in, inconvenient for getting TeamCity to pick up on the agent again.
2907 [16:39:49] <johnkeates> eek
2908 [16:39:51] <johnkeates> TeamCity
2909 [16:39:51] <RattusRattus> asdadfwasxx: /me is clearly getting tired - I read at that apple as eat the people....
2910 [16:39:53] * johnkeates runs
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2914 [16:41:39] <iBattaglin> ..but Stretch is going on the new NUC :-)
2915 [16:41:48] <iBattaglin> so.. they can hurry up! ahhah
2916 [16:41:55] <asdadfwasxx> when upgrading to stretch.. all i need to do is add stretch to sources.list right?
2917 [16:42:25] <cgt> asdadfwasxx: and then dist-upgrade
2918 [16:42:34] <johnkeates> you can install stretch right now
2919 [16:42:44] <johnkeates> it's not as if the 'release' is a magical different version
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2921 [16:42:56] <dalk> if by "add" you mean "replace"
2922 [16:43:15] <dalk> johnkeates: +1
2923 [16:43:17] <iBattaglin> replaced-url
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2925 [16:43:27] <iBattaglin> no idea if it works
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2927 [16:43:34] * themill wonders what nonsense they are publishing this time
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2929 [16:44:23] <wallbroken> replaced-url
2930 [16:44:29] <wallbroken> how to start this tool?
2931 [16:44:31] <iBattaglin> johnkeates: ofc I want the correctly named iso for installing comé on
2932 [16:44:33] <iBattaglin> :D
2933 [16:44:55] <icarious> johnkeates: I want to install Buster which won't be magically different version :P
2934 [16:44:59] <hiya> is Debian 9 out?
2935 [16:45:00] <cgt> iBattaglin: I used the RC installer ISO a couple of days ago and it works fine
2936 [16:45:09] <hiya> it first said 16th June and then 17th
2937 [16:45:13] <johnkeates> the stretch iso is named stretch :p
2938 [16:45:17] <anjum> Be patient people, good grief.
2939 [16:45:32] <iBattaglin> cgt: I know.. I have several VMs
2940 [16:45:36] <cgt> anjum: Are we there yet?
2941 [16:45:38] <chunkzz> yeah, when it's ready it'll be out :)
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2943 [16:45:51] <iBattaglin> what she said
2944 [16:45:52] <iBattaglin> :D
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2946 [16:46:16] <asdadfwasxx> iBattaglin: kek!
2947 [16:46:17] <chunkzz> she?! :P
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2950 [16:46:47] <iBattaglin> hehe
2951 [16:47:05] <anjum> As was already mentioned, you can install Stretch now. Everything happening today is mostly ceremonial.
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2953 [16:47:41] <chunkzz> anjum: i'd rather wait...:)
2954 [16:47:46] <cgt> Except stretch will get security updates now
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2956 [16:48:08] <themill> already has been
2957 [16:48:13] <cgt> for how long?
2958 [16:48:17] <johnkeates> a while
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2960 [16:49:08] <iBattaglin> ..back to le mans
2961 [16:49:09] <iBattaglin> l8r
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2964 [16:52:09] <dontknow> kde plasma has its own updater o.o
2965 [16:52:16] <johnkeates> le mans... grown men riding cars for no good reason
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2971 [16:53:43] <asdadfwasxx> what is Debian release party?
2972 [16:54:45] <asdadfwasxx> do people get together and wait for the release?
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2975 [16:54:56] <chunkzz> yeah - like irc asdadfwasxx lol
2976 [16:55:10] <asdadfwasxx> chunkzz: ohh..
2977 [16:55:15] <anjum> People get together can celebrate the release. Probably eat cake, and talk, etc.
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2986 [16:58:02] <boser> i switch today from jessi to stretch (as like as in topic stand). With no probleme and it run very quick without problems.
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2991 [17:00:26] <id10t> i installed from scratch last week via netinstall, to test setting up/updating/upgrading a server that is on wheezy... i'm gonna have to unlearn some very old habits and learn the new way of doing stuff...
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3002 [17:02:43] <Bliepo> How do I run strace on the ssh server?
3003 [17:02:55] <Bliepo> I have an issue where ssh is very slow in accepting connections
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3011 [17:04:33] <asdadfwasxx> 1758 upgraded, 561 newly installed, 81 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
3012 [17:04:33] <asdadfwasxx> Need to get 2,313 MB of archives.
3013 [17:04:39] <asdadfwasxx> is this normal?
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3015 [17:05:00] <nkuttler> Bliepo: just strace sshd? have you tried login with ssh -vvv yet?
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3019 [17:05:38] <Bliepo> Errr, I am eh... well... you know... working on a windows pc with putty
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3022 [17:06:40] <Bliepo> And I should be more accurate: connecting goes smooth, entering password and google-authenticator code goes smooth as well, then when I hit enter I have to wait a loooong time for the shell to appear
3023 [17:07:10] <chunkzz> Following Pixar's Toy Story naming scheme, Debian's releases have been: Buzz, Rex, Bo, Hamm, Slink, Potato, Woody, Sarge, Etch, Lenny, Squeeze, Wheezy, Jessie and now Stretch #releasingstretch
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3026 [17:07:31] <Bliepo> and strace sshd results in: "sshd re-exec requires execution with an absolute path"
3027 [17:07:39] <chunkzz> can't wait - need now! lol
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3033 [17:08:25] <nkuttler> Bliepo: well, use an absolute path. or, preferably, run dash as ssh command
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3036 [17:08:52] <nkuttler> ssh -vvv host dash, or any other shell you have installed that's not the default
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3043 [17:09:17] <Bliepo> I should clarify
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3045 [17:09:29] <Bliepo> I have a server running ssh, and my laptop the client
3046 [17:09:35] <nkuttler> sure
3047 [17:09:44] <Bliepo> I want to strace on the server
3048 [17:09:48] <Bliepo> Not the client
3049 [17:09:58] <nkuttler> yeah, but you should make sure you actually have to
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3051 [17:10:16] <nkuttler> could easily be something in our shell config that's broken
3052 [17:10:43] <Bliepo> So just ssh into some random host with -vvv from the server?
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3055 [17:11:01] <nkuttler> no, from the laptop into the server that has the problem
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3058 [17:11:14] <Bliepo> Ah well, I am using putty
3059 [17:11:20] <Bliepo> So I can't use -vvv
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3061 [17:11:46] <nkuttler> well, you could ssh in from any other server i guess. but then, you could also have a putty problem
3062 [17:12:06] <nkuttler> or just not use -vvv, but pass a command through putty, however that works
3063 [17:12:22] <Bliepo> Is it possible to ssh into localhost?
3064 [17:12:24] <anjum> Windows has ssh these days, no
3065 [17:12:25] <anjum> ?
3066 [17:12:36] <nkuttler> Bliepo: usually yes, depends on the config
3067 [17:12:40] <chunkzz> anjum: no!
3068 [17:12:41] <Bliepo> Then I can run ssh from the server and ssh into the server
3069 [17:13:23] <nkuttler> Bliepo: it's worth a try
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3074 [17:14:54] <Bliepo> Connection refused :-(
3075 [17:15:08] <Bliepo> Hrmmmmm
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3077 [17:15:21] <Bliepo> I could reboot into linux and run ssh -vvv from there
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3079 [17:15:42] <Bliepo> Guess I'll do that. BRB!
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3093 [17:19:47] <BluesKaj> Hi all
3094 [17:20:05] <chunkzz> BluesKaj: NOT YET :)
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3096 [17:21:38] <BluesKaj> chunkzz, i wasn't asking :-)
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3100 [17:22:00] <chunkzz> BluesKaj: just in-case lol :D
3101 [17:23:05] <luna__> replaced-url
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3105 [17:25:02] <BluesKaj> just one upgrade on stretch this morning, kd/plasma FR
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3110 [17:26:23] <BluesKaj> ignore the FR .typo
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3114 [17:30:37] <dalk> luna: from the page you linked: "Please do not publicise this too widely, and if you're reading this page to get early access to our images BE AWARE that anything found there is not considered to be a released image and may be replaced without warning"
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3122 [17:33:28] <chunkzz> dalk: link?
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3142 [17:36:40] <asdadfwasxx> bind9 log is showing time in the wrong timezone.. how do i fix it?
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3151 [17:39:30] <rindolf> BluesKaj: hi
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3160 [17:42:17] <BluesKaj> hi rindolf
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3166 [17:43:26] <dalk> chunkzz: luna__ just posted the link 15 minutes ago and I only copied the "Please do not publicise this too widely" asking from the developers...
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3169 [17:44:17] <chunkzz> dalk: you got a link? I can't find it.....
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3171 [17:44:25] <rindolf> BluesKaj: sup?
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3176 [17:46:00] <BluesKaj> rindolf, configuring kodi for stretch atm, almost finished
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3179 [17:46:44] <rindolf> BluesKaj: nice
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3186 [17:48:29] <BluesKaj> yeah, thinking of dumping my satellite tv service.
3187 [17:48:35] <nkuttler> any ideas why dropbear-initramfs would keep telling me the authorized_keys file is invalid? i copied it from ~/.ssh and the error itself is not really helpful
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3199 [17:52:30] <nkuttler> meh, great, the README for that package references files that don't exist..
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3219 [18:00:42] <mrr0butt> well i have issues with wifi and network-manager on stretch
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3221 [18:01:20] <mrr0butt> without networkm-manager im able to connect wlan
3222 [18:01:55] <nkuttler> ah, looks like dropbear can't use modern key algos
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3226 [18:03:23] <mrr0butt> without network-manager "iw dev iface connect -w SSID && dhclient -v iface" connects to ap without problems
3227 [18:03:43] <mrr0butt> replaced-url
3228 [18:03:46] <mrr0butt> syslog dump
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3231 [18:04:33] <luna__> replaced-url
3232 [18:05:22] <nuclearjello> oo
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3235 [18:06:36] <mrr0butt> oh my kernel is "Linux debian 4.9.0-3-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.9.30-2 (2017-06-12) x86_64 GNU/Linux"
3236 [18:06:53] <chunkzz> luna__: give us a link...
3237 [18:07:02] <luna__> chunkzz: for?
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3240 [18:07:22] <chunkzz> the image you posted, stretch; obviously.
3241 [18:07:23] <teraflops> mrr0butt: make yourself sure you're not using more than 1 network management tool at a time
3242 [18:07:30] <luna__> chunkzz: still release testing
3243 [18:08:10] <chunkzz> oh :/
3244 [18:08:12] <mrr0butt> i have only network-manager installed
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3246 [18:08:34] <luna__> chunkzz: but you can join #debian-cd on irc.oftc.net if you wanna help
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3251 [18:09:57] <teraflops> mrr0butt: what's the key type youre using? wpa2?
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3253 [18:10:21] <mrr0butt> its a open hotspot no encryption
3254 [18:11:23] <teraflops> mrr0butt: did you set it up correctly on NM?
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3258 [18:11:56] <teraflops> mrr0butt: because it looks like is not associating to the AP
3259 [18:12:11] <zylinx> hey, how do i get a cronjob to execute with my logged in users environment variables ?
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3261 [18:12:14] <teraflops> hence cannot get an ip address
3262 [18:12:14] <zylinx> is that possible ?
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3264 [18:12:35] <teraflops> zylinx: make a systemd --user unit?
3265 [18:12:47] <teraflops> with a timer
3266 [18:12:48] <jelly> zylinx: no, but you can set up env. vars in the crontab file
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3268 [18:13:08] <zylinx> teraflops: thanks, not sure how to do that but il google
3269 [18:13:15] <zylinx> jelly: it needs to be dynamic
3270 [18:13:25] <zylinx> i cannot hard code the env
3271 [18:13:31] <jelly> then no
3272 [18:13:57] <mrr0butt> teraflops, yes i did, i picked it from the list in nm
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3276 [18:14:07] <chunkzz> Stretch amd64 ISO image tests are a success! i386 ISO builds will be ready for testing soon #releasingstretch
3277 [18:14:25] <teraflops> zylinx: not telling that what jelly said is not bad idea, but since --user unit/timers runs as the desired user all the env in the desired one
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3279 [18:14:41] <mrr0butt> Jun 17 17:38:14 debian kernel: [11847.924753] wlxec086b1d8217: authenticated
3280 [18:14:42] <mrr0butt> Jun 17 17:38:19 debian dhclient[3547]: DHCPREQUEST of 10.72.XX.XX on wlxec086b1d8217 to 10.79.XX.XX port 67
3281 [18:14:42] <mrr0butt> Jun 17 17:38:19 debian dhclient[3547]: send_packet: Network is unreachable
3282 [18:14:54] <zylinx> ok thanks teraflops, because i need it to have my current DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS in the vars
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3284 [18:15:02] <teraflops> mrr0butt: you picked the lines you want^
3285 [18:15:14] <zylinx> which changes on reboot
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3290 [18:16:05] <jelly> zylinx: it changes on every login, each session is different I think
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3293 [18:17:07] <zylinx> ok, thanks jelly. will systemd --user unit have the same DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS as the one that my desktop user has ?
3294 [18:17:31] <jelly> I'm clueless about that
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3299 [18:18:43] <jelly> it shouldn't be too hard to have an autostart job in the GUI session save the value somewhere
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3301 [18:19:05] <teraflops> zylinx: user unit starts when your user log in…
3302 [18:19:07] <zylinx> ah yeah, autostart in the GUI is perfect
3303 [18:19:13] <jelly> you can even grab it from a running process
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3305 [18:19:30] <teraflops> zylinx: what's your goal?
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3308 [18:20:12] <zylinx> teraflops: im using a bash script with notify-send and i want it to execite every 10 minutes with the price of my crypto currencies.
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3311 [18:21:40] <teraflops> zylinx: you just need to export the right $DISPLAY
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3313 [18:22:08] <zylinx> teraflops: i tried that, but for some reason on my machine it wont work unless it has the dbus set aswell :<
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3317 [18:23:37] <teraflops> a user unit and a timer should work then
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3319 [18:24:40] <teraflops> zylinx: are you using a DE or a WM?
3320 [18:24:52] <zylinx> im a debian user 90% the time but im actually doing the on a *buntu install, maybe thats why its not working with just DISPLAY...
3321 [18:25:17] <zylinx> im using gnome
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3324 [18:27:20] <Lyberta> is Stretch release today?
3325 [18:27:30] <chunkzz> Lyberta: yes soon
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3327 [18:28:19] <AnGe7> hey all
3328 [18:28:33] <AnGe7> someone know how to set local static ipv4 on kvm ?
3329 [18:28:35] <chunkzz> why are they deleting posts on the micronews site?
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3331 [18:30:02] <teraflops> mrr0butt: idk to what defaults NM for getting ip via dhcp in stretch, maybe try adding dhcp=dhclient in /etc/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.conf
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3333 [18:30:15] <teraflops> zylinx: then youre fine
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3338 [18:32:47] <chunkzz> why are they deleting posts on the micronews site?
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3343 [18:34:13] <spacebison> Party time? replaced-url
3344 [18:34:29] <cgt> chunkzz: are they?
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3347 [18:35:21] <petn-randall> chunkzz: Who is "they", which micronews site, and what does it have to do with Debian?
3348 [18:35:35] <abhikpal> replaced-url
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3351 [18:35:55] <zylinx> damn no stretch party in south africa :<
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3353 [18:36:30] <zylinx> you can add my home address to the wiki xD
3354 [18:36:31] <dontknow> turkey also has a party :D
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3356 [18:36:52] <dontknow> lol to release party
3357 [18:36:59] <persiandrugs> okay, okay
3358 [18:37:01] * petn-randall is at the one in Berlin right now.
3359 [18:37:02] <persiandrugs> first stretch
3360 [18:37:05] <persiandrugs> then hl3
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3364 [18:37:55] <chunkzz> cgt: yeah, I've been keeping an eye on it and it;s last post was around 2pm, it's 5pm now and some posts have been deleted, they said amd64 was testing complete...
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3366 [18:38:12] <chunkzz> they said i386 was next to test
3367 [18:38:19] <chunkzz> they've been deleted...
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3370 [18:39:07] <chunkzz> and now it's showing up, wtf. Stretch amd64 ISO image tests are a success! i386 ISO builds will be ready for testing soon #releasingstretch
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3372 [18:39:41] <brianx> can we get the torrent of that amd64 iso yet?
3373 [18:39:47] <hiya> hi guys
3374 [18:39:52] <chunkzz> brianx: no
3375 [18:40:00] <hiya> Is debian 9 out?
3376 [18:40:05] <chunkzz> hiya: not yet.
3377 [18:40:16] <brianx> thanks chunkzz
3378 [18:40:16] <hiya> ok ok
3379 [18:40:17] <hiya> :D
3380 [18:40:24] <chunkzz> hiya: replaced-url
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3382 [18:40:29] <chunkzz> brianx: ^
3383 [18:40:53] <dontknow> "Look to my coming on the first light of the fifth day, at dawn look to the east."
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3385 [18:41:24] <brianx> that says nothing much about it chunkzz. no indication if it ever will.
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3389 [18:41:50] <fdsfsdfsd> go fuck yourself you fucking bastards i hope your balls will explode in your fucking ruin faces yo niggers
3390 [18:41:51] <fdsfsdfsd> go fuck yourself you fucking bastards i hope your balls will explode in your fucking ruin faces yo niggers
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3392 [18:41:57] <chunkzz> brianx: that should be the first place when it's released, news on it there...
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3396 [18:42:56] <brianx> will continue watching there.
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3402 [18:47:41] <hiya> I want to see Seafile-gui for Debian stable / Stretch
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3404 [18:48:28] <dob1> it's in stretch?
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3444 [19:03:51] <asdadfwasxx> timestamp in log file is using the wrong timezone
3445 [19:03:55] <asdadfwasxx> can anyone help
3446 [19:03:57] <asdadfwasxx> ?
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3451 [19:05:19] <teraflops> asdadfwasxx: is always using the wrong time zone, or it's using the wrong time one until time get synched via ntp?
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3454 [19:06:18] <asdadfwasxx> teraflops: it started using the wrong time after I changed my timezone
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3456 [19:06:29] <teraflops> then you know why
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3464 [19:07:30] <lavenders> is the amd64 image out now?
3465 [19:07:33] <asdadfwasxx> teraflops: date is showing the correct time
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3468 [19:08:12] <asdadfwasxx> teraflops: but the time in the log is off my -6 hours!
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3471 [19:09:02] <lavenders> last micronews :Stretch amd64 ISO image tests are a success! i386 ISO builds will be ready for testing soon #releasingstretch
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3478 [19:11:58] <dalk> lavenders: no, not yet...
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3483 [19:14:01] <teraflops> is there a medal for the first guy/girl/cat/goat that downloads the stretch iso?
3484 [19:14:14] <random_numbers> heh
3485 [19:14:26] <random_numbers> UTC-time release when?
3486 [19:14:50] <chunkzz> random_numbers: when it's ready...
3487 [19:15:04] <persiandrugs> what chunkzz said
3488 [19:15:07] <dalk> no but it is usually very helpful to download torrents and seed for a few days as many will try to download...
3489 [19:15:08] <random_numbers> chunkzz: It's not being purposely held-back until a given time? Huh.
3490 [19:15:27] <random_numbers> Color me surprised.
3491 [19:15:38] <dalk> correction: teraflops:no but it is usually very helpful to download torrents and seed for a few days as many will try to download...
3492 [19:15:42] <chunkzz> random_numbers: when it's ready........
3493 [19:16:06] <random_numbers> chunkzz: You could've just said "indeed".
3494 [19:16:21] <chunkzz> random_numbers: indeed.
3495 [19:16:25] <random_numbers> Cheeky.
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3497 [19:16:55] <teraflops> dalk: nah, you want the badge I can smell it
3498 [19:16:58] <chunkzz> :P
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3508 [19:18:30] <random_numbers> So, once released one should expect basically nothing to break horribly upon install/upgrade (provided one didn't use outside repos), correct?
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3511 [19:18:45] <Emil> My keyboard works while in grub and bios
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3513 [19:18:48] <chunkzz> random_numbers: indeed. ;)
3514 [19:18:52] <Emil> but not in linux
3515 [19:18:53] <random_numbers> chunkzz: Awesome.
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3518 [19:19:38] <chunkzz> last update: Submitted on 17 June 2017 19:00:00 so should be soon!
3519 [19:19:44] <john110> is micronews the fastest channel to get release news?
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3521 [19:19:53] <chunkzz> john110: think so yeah.
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3523 [19:20:21] <john110> great
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3527 [19:22:02] <dontknow> so.. how long time passed after jessie release?
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3529 [19:22:15] <random_numbers> There's no known ETA.
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3531 [19:22:21] <dalk> teraflops: I can't help the Debian project on so many ways but seeding in every release is easy for me. So I am not here for the budge!
3532 [19:22:29] <dontknow> i mean how old jessie
3533 [19:22:42] <persiandrugs> google it
3534 [19:22:45] <persiandrugs> god
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3536 [19:23:04] <KungFuChao> two years and two months since stable of jessie was released
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3538 [19:23:25] <dontknow> wow. time is passing fast
3539 [19:23:30] <random_numbers> I wonder what new testing/unstable will be named.
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3542 [19:24:04] <Brigo> random_numbers, it has been already named
3543 [19:24:05] <teraflops> dalk: youre bad at getting sarcasm, arent you?
3544 [19:24:17] <random_numbers> Brigo: My bad.
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3547 [19:24:37] <dontknow> Brigo, and what is it*
3548 [19:24:37] <dalk> hehe, I am trying though :)
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3553 [19:25:46] <Brigo> dontknow, replaced-url
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3561 [19:26:57] <dalk> teraflops: I just wanted to stretch that everybody can help ("stretch" a pun, so I also have a sense of humor)
3562 [19:27:31] <dalk> but I am still trying for it too...
3563 [19:27:39] <teraflops> fair enough
3564 [19:27:42] <slacko_10551> I came here to share in the conversation about Stretch 9
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3567 [19:28:20] <teraflops> as in every release (groundhog day)
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3569 [19:28:27] <slacko_10551> :D
3570 [19:28:28] <teraflops> which is fine
3571 [19:28:32] <slacko_10551> what's in the "testing" repository will basically be what's in the stable one
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3573 [19:28:36] <slacko_10551> ?
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3576 [19:29:06] <dontknow> if your source.list contains "stretch" it will remain stable
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3578 [19:29:13] <slacko_10551> nice
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3580 [19:29:47] <secretpow> Is there a way to automatically mount a LUKS-encrypted partition on an external USB drive using a key file when the drive is plugged in?
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3584 [19:30:28] <atermu> Hello
3585 [19:30:47] <dontknow> hella
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3588 [19:31:10] <atermu> From my understanding Debian has a much more solid stance on free software. I have used, and loved Debian for numerous years, but have recently been working with open suse.
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3590 [19:31:26] <random_numbers> secretpow: I've been using a cron-job for that.
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3592 [19:31:36] <atermu> Out of the box, Opensuse does not allow me to watch many videos on many sites, however a fresh debian install allows access to all of these sites.
3593 [19:32:01] <random_numbers> secretpow: I tried with crypttab but there was the issue of the external disk trying to mount before the main system one.
3594 [19:32:02] <atermu> What player is debian and firefox using as default? It can't possibly be as simple as html5 fall back?
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3596 [19:32:33] <random_numbers> secretpow: There's probably a "proper" way to do it with sysvinit or systemd but that was too much bother for me.
3597 [19:32:35] <HyP3r> Hi, I'm trying to update my Debian Wheezy to Jessie. I follow this guide: replaced-url
3598 [19:32:41] <cgt> atermu: I don't think Firefox uses any external video player.
3599 [19:33:03] <random_numbers> secretpow: On sysvinit one would have set it so that on init 5 (for example), a mounting script runs.
3600 [19:33:09] <HyP3r> But now comes during the "apt-get dist-upgrade" a error message.
3601 [19:33:11] <atermu> Would my question be better asked in opensuse? Debian works out of box, while suse gives "javascript/fash warning"
3602 [19:33:34] <HyP3r> This is the error message: replaced-url
3603 [19:33:50] <secretpow> random_numbers: I tried crypttab, too, but it throws errors during boot if the drive isn't plugged in. If I add noauto, it's not unlocked automatically
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3605 [19:34:14] <secretpow> I also tried playing with /etc/fstab, adding x-systemd.requires= options, but I never got it to work
3606 [19:34:14] <HyP3r> Can someone help me with that? Thats so strange, Debian 7 is using system-v and Debian 8 is using systemd. Now the "new" Debian 8 wants to call update-rc.d
3607 [19:34:16] <random_numbers> secretpow: Yeah I'd go with either the cron, anacron or init script. You simply code it to be able to cope with errors.
3608 [19:34:22] <HyP3r> Thats strange
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3610 [19:34:37] <secretpow> Mind sharing your cronjob script? How often do you execute it?
3611 [19:34:38] <random_numbers> secretpow: With systemd you could also have it run on plugging the device. (Other ways not dependent on systemd surely exist too)
3612 [19:34:42] <atermu> cgt: This is obviously not the issue, we are talking about flash/html5 video support
3613 [19:34:49] <likcoras> secretpow: just an idea, would it not be possible with a udev rule?
3614 [19:34:49] <atermu> having to do with codecs most likel;y, idk
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3617 [19:35:23] <random_numbers> secretpow: I execute it every hour, it simply tries to decrypt a uid and mount the resulting mapped device-name. On failure it just does nothing.
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3620 [19:36:03] <random_numbers> secretpow: I need to go afk for a moment but feel free to ask when I come back if no one else answers.
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3623 [19:36:18] <secretpow> Alright, thanks
3624 [19:36:46] <secretpow> likcoras: You mean a udev rule running a script to unlock + mount the drive?
3625 [19:37:22] <slacko_10551> atermu the firefox are both the same version? if you used repository version it could be that opensuse compiled it differently
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3627 [19:37:27] <likcoras> Yeah, I was guessing something along those lines.
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3630 [19:37:51] <slacko_10551> in slackware I don't need pulseaudio or gtk3 to use their firefox 52esr
3631 [19:38:11] <atermu> slacko_10551: of course debian would be older, I was testing from tumbleweed, and I am actually sure this is more suse specific, but debian xfce install allowed access to all video sites (which suprised me) when suse did not
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3633 [19:38:29] <secretpow> Sounds less hacky than a cronjob to me. Guess I'll need to figure out how to write a correct udev rule for that. The script itself is probably gonna be the same for both solutions, I guess
3634 [19:38:32] <atermu> (which left me to wonder of an alternative opensource flash player was involved, etc, there are a lot of those these days)
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3637 [19:38:57] <slacko_10551> I know that as firefox version goes higher, there is more and more support for html5 for things
3638 [19:39:07] <cgt> Firefox in Debian doesn't come with a Flash player
3639 [19:39:11] <HyP3r> replaced-url
3640 [19:39:17] <HyP3r> replaced-url
3641 [19:39:18] <slacko_10551> but if you do about:buildconfig for both it will tell you how firefox is compiled
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3643 [19:39:26] <HyP3r> seems like there are some topics about my problem
3644 [19:39:31] <slacko_10551> in the url
3645 [19:39:32] <atermu> slacko_10551: Exactly, so riddle me this" firefox debian older version offers better support than suse default firefox
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3647 [19:39:38] <atermu> which is newer version
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3654 [19:41:54] <john110> Would donate 20$ for **free** beer to devs when stretch is released. I will buy one for myself too. replaced-url
3655 [19:41:55] <likcoras> secretpow: also try looking into udiskie, replaced-url
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3657 [19:42:02] <slacko_10551> atermu: did you try the about:buildconfig thing? :D
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3660 [19:42:43] <slacko_10551> this is mine from slackware 14.2
3661 [19:42:44] <slacko_10551> Configure options
3662 [19:42:45] <slacko_10551> --enable-application=browser --disable-tests 'CC=gcc -B/root/slackware-14.2/mozilla-firefox/gold' 'CXX=g++ -B/root/slackware-14.2/mozilla-firefox/gold' --enable-default-toolkit=cairo-gtk2 MAKE=make --disable-accessibility --enable-alsa --enable-cpp-rtti --disable-crashreporter --enable-official-branding --enable-optimize=-O2 --enable-startup-notification --enable-strip --libdir=/usr/lib --prefix=/usr --with-default-mozill
3663 [19:42:45] <slacko_10551> a-five-home=/usr/lib/firefox-52.1.2 --with-system-zlib
3664 [19:43:04] <secretpow> likcoras: never heard of that, looks interesting! Taking a look at it right now, thanks for the pointer
3665 [19:43:04] <slacko_10551> The enable-alsa lets it work without pulseaudio
3666 [19:43:10] <petn-randall> slacko_10551: Please use a paste site, like replaced-url
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3668 [19:43:23] <slacko_10551> petn-randall thanks
3669 [19:43:43] <HyP3r> Please help me, I'm not that expert with those package dependencies and so on...
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3672 [19:44:05] <dontknow> debian still comes with -Os
3673 [19:44:13] <dontknow> optimization
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3675 [19:45:22] <dalk> john110: thumbs up!
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3685 [19:49:39] <petn-randall> !tell HyP3r -about bat
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3687 [19:49:48] <darme> i found this replaced-url
3688 [19:49:49] <HyP3r> replaced-url
3689 [19:49:49] <petn-randall> HyP3r: See the pm from dpkg, can you provide this info?
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3691 [19:50:14] <petn-randall> darme: launchpad is not part of Debian, you'd have to ask them. And you'd also void your warranty.
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3694 [19:50:26] <petn-randall> !tell darme -about dont break debian
3695 [19:50:26] <HyP3r> petn-randall: thanks for you help, but I hacked the postinst script a bit
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3701 [19:52:21] <hramrach> petn-randall: since there is no build service for Debian people install packages from other distros. Not surprising
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3718 [19:55:55] <petn-randall> hramrach: Indeed. Wouldn't change the fact that they're not supported for obvious reasons, though.
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3723 [19:56:49] <rindolf> petn-randall: hi, sup?
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3738 [19:58:15] <Aebian> why would someone want php5? php7 :P
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3744 [19:58:19] <Jacob843> ...
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3746 [19:58:22] <petn-randall> hi rindolf! Not much, just hanging out at the release party in Berlin.
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3753 [19:58:41] <HyP3r> wtf
3754 [19:58:41] <Voldenet> I was going to ask Anabelle "what's her problem" but apparently
3755 [19:58:41] <Jacob843> I don't understand why these spam bots are a thing.
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3759 [19:58:44] <JuniusBrutus> Another psychotic
3760 [19:58:45] <Voldenet> it was a mental problem
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3762 [19:58:52] <petn-randall> And trying to respond to any questions popping up on here on the release day.
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3766 [19:59:11] <petn-randall> !ops spam bots
3767 [19:59:13] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: petn-randall complains about: spam bots
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3784 [19:59:33] <slacko_10551> if someone with a womanname enters it's probably spam :D
3785 [19:59:36] <Dagger> and I don't understand why we don't automatically ban people that mention 20 nicknames in a single message
3786 [19:59:51] <borrougagnou> .-.
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3790 [20:00:30] <rindolf> petn-randall: nice!
3791 [20:00:31] <borrougagnou> Dagger>no no, if example Debian 9 release I think everybody would like know
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3794 [20:00:52] <SporkWitch> Dagger: it's "womyn" you misogynist ^_-
3795 [20:00:54] <petn-randall> Please ignore the spam, it's being worked on.
3796 [20:00:56] <rindolf> petn-randall: today I got paid for consulting
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3799 [20:01:05] <random_numbers> Ah yes, udev, that was the other proper method.
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3801 [20:01:47] <sIRwa2> isnt today release day?
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3803 [20:02:02] <rindolf> sIRwa2: yes
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3807 [20:02:23] <sIRwa2> \o/
3808 [20:02:26] <mniip> Dagger, but we do
3809 [20:02:33] <borrougagnou> If you are not able to ignore a post you are silly
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3811 [20:02:48] <random_numbers> Ah, Buster is new testing.
3812 [20:02:49] <rindolf> sIRwa2: stretch will be stretchy!
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3814 [20:03:18] <petn-randall> rindolf: Nice, let's move this to #debian-offtopic though, so it doesn't get too busy.
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3816 [20:03:41] <rindolf> petn-randall: ok
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3833 [20:05:09] <Dagger> mniip: looks like latency is an issue... maybe we need to +m the channel automatically for a few seconds, although even that won't happen fast enough to stop the second message
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3837 [20:05:40] <simbalion`> sIRwa2: that's what I said!
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3841 [20:06:46] <mniip> Dagger, the problem is that to ban after the first message the mechanics need to be incorporated into the ircd
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3843 [20:06:56] <mniip> which is somewhat of a privacy concern
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3846 [20:08:03] <mniip> with Sigyn you visibly see that the bot is receiving your messages, and matching it against spam patterns
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3849 [20:09:14] <__0> howodyoudo, ladies and gentlemen! when 9.0 will be relesead on main site?
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3851 [20:09:49] <petn-randall> __0: When it's ready™.
3852 [20:09:53] <petn-randall> sometime today that is.
3853 [20:10:00] <arTee> what timezone :-D
3854 [20:10:09] <__0> ua/kiev
3855 [20:10:21] <arTee> that's UTC +- ?
3856 [20:10:23] <Dagger> not sure I see the privacy concerns. the main issue with that sort of thing is getting the behavior changed when it's doing something bad/awkward/useless
3857 [20:10:25] <__0> 2
3858 [20:10:42] <arTee> UTC+2.... so shouldn't be longer than 3 hours?
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3860 [20:10:54] <teraflops> we dont know
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3863 [20:11:30] <johnjay> is there a way to automate apt-get -y dist-upgrade such that it tries to fix problems automatically?
3864 [20:11:33] <__0> thanx, be waiting for release, maybe:-)
3865 [20:11:44] <__0> bye
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3870 [20:12:14] <jelly> johnjay: what kinds of problems?
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3875 [20:12:40] <johnjay> jelly: I think it first said something about a program that didn't have a dependency installable. run apt-get -f install to fix. but that was apt-get upgrade
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3877 [20:12:59] <jelly> !basic apt troubleshooting
3878 [20:12:59] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
3879 [20:13:02] <jelly> johnjay: ^^
3880 [20:13:09] <johnjay> then after that I ran apt-get -y dist-upgrade. but idk if it will complete unattended
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3887 [20:14:33] <hramrach> rubber octopus ..
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3891 [20:14:53] <johnjay> hmm. ok next time i run apt i'll pipe its out put to a file
3892 [20:14:56] <johnjay> so i can upload it
3893 [20:15:00] <hramrach> apt still says stretch is testing
3894 [20:15:00] <apt> hramrach: okay
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3897 [20:17:11] <hramrach> My system will become stable once the metadata in repos is updated
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3903 [20:18:24] <hramrach> not that it can shutdown or reboot correctly but it's stable ;-)
3904 [20:18:31] <johnjay> hramrach: are you trying to track stretch?
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3908 [20:19:06] <jelly> hramrach: or, your system will keep being stretch
3909 [20:19:15] <teraflops> hramrach: hehe
3910 [20:19:22] <slacko_10551> jessie the cowgirl :D
3911 [20:19:25] <dontknow> replaced-url
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3916 [20:19:48] <Furai> These people and their highlights bots...seriously. What do they achieve this way?
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3919 [20:20:02] <hramrach> probably it will keep being stretch until some software with fresh new bugs requires new version of libstdc++ or whatever core library
3920 [20:20:15] <jelly> Furai: annoyance. Please avoid commenting on it.
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3922 [20:20:29] <jelly> #debian-offtopic, if you really have to
3923 [20:20:39] <johnjay> is it true there are multiple versions of libstdc++ around to accomodate buggy programs?
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3925 [20:21:10] <jelly> johnjay: it's not for buggy programs. It's for binaries built with different versions of g++
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3929 [20:21:36] <johnjay> ah ok. i actually didn't realize stretch was coming out today
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3931 [20:22:02] <hramrach> no, there is only one libstdc++ so if you want program with new features which introduce fresh new bugs and it links with new libstdc++ you dist-upgrade
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3934 [20:22:53] <jelly> hramrach: that's only relevant if you're not building software yourself, and deliberately introduce binary builds of software not designed for your os
3935 [20:23:01] <persiandrugs> i wonder what'll happen when we run out of toy story characters?
3936 [20:23:02] <johnjay> hramrach: i had to dist-upgrade just to not have version 1.01 of weechat anymore
3937 [20:23:09] <johnjay> (current version 1.9, 1.8 in testing lol)
3938 [20:23:28] <Agafnd> persiandrugs: we make pixar make another one :P
3939 [20:23:32] <hramrach> that would be because of gnutls which depends on new libstdc++ :p
3940 [20:23:32] <random_numbers> It's kind of nice that debian backports security patches.
3941 [20:24:28] <johnjay> since this is the day stretch comes out, does anybody have a link to a list of packages to feed to apt-get?
3942 [20:24:41] <johnjay> i.e. things like emacs, vim, etc that are needed on a fresh install?
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3944 [20:25:04] <jelly> johnjay: we don't know what _you_ think is needed.
3945 [20:25:10] <petn-randall> johnjay: Just "apt dist-upgrade" after adjusting your /etc/apt/sources.list.
3946 [20:25:23] <jelly> johnjay: neither emacs nor vim is part of a base installation
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3948 [20:25:30] <hramrach> why do you ever install? just make a copy of your disk and put it into another machine ;-)
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3951 [20:25:53] <johnjay> petn-randall: what effect does apt dist-upgrade have right after a new release comes out?
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3953 [20:25:57] <jelly> hramrach: that's exactly what I do. This system was installed in 2001.
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3958 [20:26:29] <ead0dc93> is this DebianOn the best way to determine if a new laptop will be supporting the OS without any issues ?
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3961 [20:26:40] <jelly> hramrach: 4-5 different hardware installations, and all the releases from slink to stretch.
3962 [20:26:42] <random_numbers> johnjay: Probably the same as upgrade, if you didn't change your sources.
3963 [20:26:45] <johnjay> well jelly that might explain your puzzling statement that not including emacs or vim on a base install is fine
3964 [20:26:45] <ead0dc93> I would really like to buy a new laptop that has no issues with debian
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3966 [20:27:11] <random_numbers> Mine has slight driver problems... which are fixed in next kernel version :D
3967 [20:27:18] <hramrach> ead0dc93: such thing even exists?
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3969 [20:27:32] <Furai> jelly, nah, I'm fine.
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3971 [20:27:43] <Furai> Don't feed the troll.
3972 [20:27:46] <random_numbers> Older Lenovo computers tend to work pretty nicely with Linux in general.
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3974 [20:28:21] <dontknow> ead0dc93, only way is to go store and try it with live debian
3975 [20:28:24] <samouy> Hello all, I would like to know if some of you know a USB(-C) adapter to HDMI/VGA/DisplayPort without DisplayLink
3976 [20:28:25] <hramrach> I mean if you exclude laptops with inherent hardware issues and laptops with too new hardware to work well with Linux you are not left with many
3977 [20:28:53] <ead0dc93> that is what i fear
3978 [20:29:03] <johnjay> hramrach: i always put linux on my laptops whether it worked well or not.
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3980 [20:29:10] <random_numbers> ^
3981 [20:29:34] <random_numbers> A problem is that in many countries, clean-room reverse-engineering is needed and doing that alone is kind of not a thing.
3982 [20:29:39] <nix64bit> I am looking for a linux laptop
3983 [20:29:42] <samouy> and of course, full linux support :p
3984 [20:29:55] <ead0dc93> maybe I can just put debian in a virtual machine and run it that way on any laptop ... work in the virtual machine.
3985 [20:30:06] <hramrach> ead0dc93: also depends on the features you require. IF you are fine without powerful 3D acceleration many loptops will work well enough
3986 [20:30:11] <johnjay> ead0dc93: that's the second best option. i use that on PCs as well
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3988 [20:30:33] <random_numbers> Most virtualization programs allow for GPU passthrough.
3989 [20:30:40] <ead0dc93> johnjay: it should theoretically work on any PC, right ?
3990 [20:30:52] <random_numbers> For security VMs that's a horrible idea, but for compatibility ones?
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3992 [20:30:58] <johnjay> random_numbers: that's news to me. i've nver gotten a 3d game to work in virtualbox or qemu
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3994 [20:31:10] <hramrach> GPU passthrough does not help you if the GPU does not work reliably with Linux in the first place
3995 [20:31:15] <johnjay> ead0dc93: sure. but good to have a fast hard drive for it
3996 [20:31:22] <random_numbers> hramrach: Yeah, that's a point.
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3998 [20:31:50] <ead0dc93> random_numbers: why is it a bad idea for security VM's ? You just encrypt ?
3999 [20:32:04] <_4of7> I've tried ssh'ing into my Debin Jessie box and it failed. Upgraded to Stretch, and it still failed
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4001 [20:32:07] <samouy> johnjay, a friend built is computer with PCI passthrough for its graphic card, and its works pretty well
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4003 [20:32:15] <_4of7> nmap reveals that port 22 is open, and i'm sshing to the right machine
4004 [20:32:18] <jelly> _4of7: how precisely does it fail?
4005 [20:32:19] <_4of7> "connection refused"
4006 [20:32:24] <glycol> johnjay: reddit.com/r/vfio
4007 [20:32:26] <_4of7> when i tried to ssh
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4009 [20:32:33] <_4of7> can you give me some pointers for things to check?
4010 [20:32:43] <_4of7> this is a vanilla debian stretch installation
4011 [20:32:45] <jelly> _4of7: that's a networking issue on client, server, or any router in between
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4013 [20:33:00] <_4of7> i can ping the server
4014 [20:33:03] <samouy> its still experimental but he plays to 3d games in a win VM
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4016 [20:33:29] <jelly> _4of7: first, verify sshd process on server has bound a listener to *:22 port
4017 [20:33:32] <johnjay> samouy: not sure what that is. so he has a PCI graphics card?
4018 [20:33:40] <_4of7> jelly: how do i do that?
4019 [20:33:46] <hramrach> duh, irqbalance still does not configure
4020 [20:33:47] <samouy> johnjay, yup
4021 [20:33:58] <random_numbers> ead0dc93: Because many GPUs have DMA.
4022 [20:33:58] <samouy> so the win VM has direct access to graphics
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4024 [20:34:06] <jelly> _4of7: netstat -tlpn |grep sshd
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4026 [20:34:53] <_4of7> it is bound
4027 [20:34:54] <random_numbers> ead0dc93: Meaning encryption won't save you, because the keys are in-memory.
4028 [20:34:54] <jelly> _4of7: (run netstat as root. If you don't have that command, "ss -tlpn" instead)
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4030 [20:35:09] <_4of7> to 0.0.0.0:22
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4032 [20:35:11] <jelly> _4of7: care to show the output?
4033 [20:35:11] <johnjay> _4of7: netcat -ltp on the host machine?
4034 [20:35:17] <johnjay> er netstat sorry
4035 [20:35:29] <_4of7> yes, this is running on the sfystem
4036 [20:35:31] <_4of7> hang on
4037 [20:36:00] <johnjay> ah jelly you know the right spell as well
4038 [20:36:00] <_4of7> tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:22 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 3571/sshd
4039 [20:36:08] <ead0dc93> random_numbers: that sounds like a really complicated way to deal with me. Someone really has to put the effort into it ... dma out the keys from the GPU ....
4040 [20:36:25] <ead0dc93> it that realistic ?
4041 [20:36:28] <_4of7> tcp6 0 0 :::22 :::* LISTEN 3571/sshd
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4044 [20:36:43] <_4of7> those 2 lines are output, from the running ssh server
4045 [20:37:02] <jelly> _4of7: that looks right. Now try to connect from that machine itself to its public IP on port 22, eg. "telnet a.b.c.d 22"
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4047 [20:37:25] <_4of7> it has no public IP, it's behind a NAT
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4049 [20:37:35] <_4of7> (for the time being)
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4052 [20:37:52] <jelly> _4of7: it has an IP that you're connecting to, tho?
4053 [20:37:59] <_4of7> yes
4054 [20:38:05] <_4of7> 192.168.1.149 according to ifconfig
4055 [20:38:15] <jelly> that's public enough for this purpose
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4059 [20:39:00] <random_numbers> ead0dc93: Yes, it has been done. replaced-url
4060 [20:39:00] <_4of7> so what else should i check? i've never had this issue before...
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4062 [20:39:38] <mihi> _4of7, what was the result of telnet from the machine to itself?
4063 [20:39:44] <johnjay> glycol: so it's reprogramming the BIOS to enable a VM to access the hardware?
4064 [20:39:45] <mihi> should see the SSH banner
4065 [20:39:50] <random_numbers> ead0dc93: In this case there were even mitigations... which failed all the same.
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4067 [20:40:14] <random_numbers> And "physical access" includes USB stuff bought over Ebay.
4068 [20:40:15] <jelly> _4of7: basically go from server back to the client, one network component at a time
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4071 [20:40:28] <_4of7> "telnet localhost", "trying ::1", "trying 127.0.0.1",
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4073 [20:40:36] <jelly> _4of7: not localhost.
4074 [20:40:37] <_4of7> telnet: unable to connect to remote host: connection refused
4075 [20:40:41] <_4of7> oh
4076 [20:40:41] <random_numbers> Well, maybe not USB, depends on the USB controller module.
4077 [20:40:43] <_4of7> you mean the ip
4078 [20:40:44] <_4of7> ok hang on
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4080 [20:40:54] <jelly> _4of7: "telnet 192.168.1.149 22"
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4082 [20:41:02] <_4of7> connection refused
4083 [20:41:06] <MrBar> hi debian
4084 [20:41:10] <_4of7> oh wait
4085 [20:41:12] <_4of7> no
4086 [20:41:15] <rindolf> MrBar: hi
4087 [20:41:16] <_4of7> when i add 22, i get:
4088 [20:41:17] <jelly> _4of7: on the machine itself?
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4090 [20:41:25] <_4of7> Trying 192.168.1.149...
4091 [20:41:32] <_4of7> Connected to 192.168.1.149.
4092 [20:41:39] <MrBar> Stretch is released or not?
4093 [20:41:42] <_4of7> Escape chrcter is '^]'.
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4095 [20:42:06] <_4of7> SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_7.4p1 Debian-10
4096 [20:42:13] <dalk> MrBar: no, not yet...
4097 [20:42:17] <tripkin> _4of7, just a side note, have you checked the permissions of .ssh? SSH is very strict about that, and I had a similar message when those permissions were not correct.
4098 [20:42:19] <jelly> _4of7: so that works. You can press Control ], type q and <Enter> to quit telnet
4099 [20:42:22] <_4of7> jelly: yes, the above is from the system itself
4100 [20:42:24] <random_numbers> replaced-url
4101 [20:42:32] <MrBar> sad
4102 [20:42:46] <jelly> tripkin: permissions on ~/.ssh won't cause a connection refused
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4104 [20:42:54] <_4of7> it's a swedish keyboard. ] is hard
4105 [20:43:02] <_4of7> ok i'll check .ssh
4106 [20:43:06] <jelly> no need to
4107 [20:43:08] <_4of7> which file specifically?
4108 [20:43:10] <tripkin> Ah, must be confused. It has been a while.
4109 [20:43:23] <_4of7> hm
4110 [20:43:34] <johnjay> i'm curious to see how this problem is resolve. can't ssh to a machine from outside but can ssh to itself
4111 [20:43:38] <tripkin> Maybe it was to do with the key based logins I was doing.
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4114 [20:43:40] <jelly> you can't even connect to ssh service, ~/.ssh is only relevant AFTER a connection is established
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4116 [20:43:52] <random_numbers> ead0dc93: Turns out USB, in general, doesn't allow it, according to my previous link. Good news I guess.
4117 [20:43:57] <glycol> johnjay: i don't think you have to edit the bios at all unless you have VT-d or AMD-V disabled and hidden from the bios menu or something similar
4118 [20:44:02] <hramrach> the thing is VMs are not secure. As number of Windows machines running in VMs increases targetting virtualization weaknesses in attacks get more rewarding for attackers and it will happen
4119 [20:44:22] <johnjay> glycol: i'm trying to determine if it's software, hardware, or voodoo that's allowing him to play 3d games on a windows guest
4120 [20:44:24] <random_numbers> Absolutely.
4121 [20:44:26] <Aebian> what was the package again that displays the debian logo in a terminal and outputs the current version and other infos about the system?
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4123 [20:44:57] <_4of7> from the system itself, which runs sshd and has ip 192.168.1.149, i can do this:
4124 [20:45:02] <random_numbers> Possible mitigations include per-VM MAC rules, but in the end it's only mitigation, not prevention.
4125 [20:45:04] <_4of7> ssh myusername@192.168.1.149
4126 [20:45:06] <_4of7> nd i can log in
4127 [20:45:23] <MrBar> _4of7, what problem?
4128 [20:45:24] <hramrach> glycol: it's just normal. Anyone can run a Windows VM given recent hardware with 2+ GPUs quite easily
4129 [20:45:27] <_4of7> root login doesn't work though
4130 [20:45:42] <b> root account is disabled by default.
4131 [20:45:44] <MrBar> _4of7, enable root login
4132 [20:45:47] <_4of7> but,
4133 [20:45:55] <_4of7> $ ssh fucker@192.168.1.149
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4135 [20:45:57] <_4of7> ssh: connect to host 192.168.1.149 port 22: Connection refused
4136 [20:45:59] <hramrach> sharing one graphics card would be hairy but using two will probably just work
4137 [20:46:01] <glycol> johnjay: you can check what other did with a specific device/motherboard, usually it's just software
4138 [20:46:05] <_4of7> this is from not-the-server
4139 [20:46:08] <jelly> _4of7: that doesn't make a lot of sense
4140 [20:46:16] <_4of7> yeah so
4141 [20:46:22] <mihi> _4of7, telnet from not-the-server?
4142 [20:46:22] <_4of7> * sshd is listening on port 22
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4144 [20:46:33] <mihi> what OS is not-the-server?
4145 [20:46:36] <_4of7> * i can ssh into the system, from the system itself
4146 [20:46:37] <jelly> _4of7: did you run "<_4of7> $ ssh fucker@192.168.1.149" from the ssh server as well?
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4148 [20:46:42] <hramrach> you need an iommu but most recent Intel chipsets have one
4149 [20:46:44] <_4of7> * i cannot ssh into the system from my other machine
4150 [20:46:55] <_4of7> i also tried ssh'ing into it from my RPi, same "connection refused" error
4151 [20:47:00] <_4of7> jelly: yes
4152 [20:47:00] <jelly> _4of7: that was already established
4153 [20:47:04] <_4of7> that works on the server, but not client
4154 [20:47:12] <_4of7> server is running debian stretch with latest updates
4155 [20:47:12] <jelly> ok, so nothing new
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4157 [20:47:16] <_4of7> client is running debian stretch
4158 [20:47:21] <mihi> _4of7, any iptable rules on the server?
4159 [20:47:23] <MrBar> _4of7, maybe firewall?
4160 [20:47:28] <jelly> _4of7: do you have a local firewall on server?
4161 [20:47:40] <MrBar> it firewall time
4162 [20:47:49] <jelly> _4of7: pastebin the output of "iptables-save"
4163 [20:47:55] <_4of7> from the server?
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4165 [20:48:04] <johnjay> hramrach: that's fine. but forgive me if i don't go out and buy more video cards based on a reddit post
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4167 [20:48:20] <MrBar> _4of7, yes
4168 [20:48:26] <_4of7> iptables-save output from server (i have to type by hand):
4169 [20:48:40] <jelly> !paste
4170 [20:48:40] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: replaced-url
4171 [20:48:42] <hramrach> yes, do your research. As said not every configuration will work easily
4172 [20:48:51] <_4of7> # Generted by iptables-save v1.6.0 on Sat Jun 17 19:48:03 2017
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4254 [20:48:56] <_4of7> *filter
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4289 [20:49:07] <MrBar> it split time
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4292 [20:49:08] <jelly> _4of7: screenshot is fine as well if you can't paste text
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4295 [20:49:10] <dob1> a netsplit for the new debian
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4298 [20:49:12] <_4of7> hm
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4302 [20:49:15] <_4of7> fuck it i'll take pics
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4304 [20:49:18] <jelly> nod
4305 [20:49:19] <glycol> geez
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4309 [20:49:22] <_4of7> these netsplits make typing the output untenable
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4321 [20:49:47] <jelly> _4of7: after that, "nft list ruleset" just in case you managed to set up some fancy new nftables stuff
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4323 [20:49:55] <johnjay> _4of7: in any irc client first thing I do is hide quit messages
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4343 [20:50:44] <johnjay> jelly: iptables-save is very counter-intuitively named
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4348 [20:50:51] <glycol> you can "passthrough" with just an Intel IGP after Haswell and maybe Haswell too, it's called XenGT but you probably have to compile stuff with patches
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4351 [20:51:05] <jelly> johnjay: complain to the authors
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4360 [20:51:29] <_4of7> replaced-url
4361 [20:51:34] <_4of7> output is a bit blurry
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4364 [20:51:36] <_4of7> this is a webcam
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4367 [20:51:46] <MrBar> iptables itself counter-intuitively and brain faked
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4372 [20:52:05] <glycol> anyone here upgraded to 9 yet? any issues?
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4374 [20:52:15] <teraflops> _4of7: dude, that's unreadable
4375 [20:52:19] <MrBar> _4of7, nice pic
4376 [20:52:20] <_4of7> i've been running 9 since septembe0r 2016
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4378 [20:52:24] <_4of7> i'll tke a new pic
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4380 [20:52:38] <jelly> _4of7: that looks like a clean-slate iptables-save output, no firewall rules, all default chains set to ACCEPT
4381 [20:52:39] <_4of7> replaced-url
4382 [20:52:45] <_4of7> that's iptables-save
4383 [20:52:53] <_4of7> i'll do "nft list ruleset" now
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4385 [20:52:56] <hramrach> glycol: I updated apt config to prefer stretch over testing. it's still as broken as ever ;-)
4386 [20:53:09] <jelly> _4of7: is your ssh client in the same network segment as 192.168.1.149 ssh server?
4387 [20:53:21] <_4of7> i don't have nft installed
4388 [20:53:25] <jelly> good
4389 [20:53:29] <_4of7> jelly: yes, same network segment
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4391 [20:53:34] <jelly> so it's not a local firewall on server.
4392 [20:53:35] <lavenders> is there a lightju
4393 [20:53:40] <lavenders> srz
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4396 [20:53:48] <MrBar> what is nft?
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4398 [20:53:53] <mihi> _4of7, can your machines see each other's mac addresses in 'arp -a'?
4399 [20:53:54] <_4of7> yep, just checked
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4402 [20:53:56] <_4of7> same network segment
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4404 [20:53:59] <glycol> _4of7: few months ago i managed to make GNOME unloadable by just messing around with flatpaks in gnome-software
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4406 [20:54:22] <MrBar> glycol, 9 not ready
4407 [20:54:27] <jelly> _4of7: pastebin the output of "ifconfig -a" or "ip a" on the server, and "arp -an" on the client right after you try to ssh in unsuccessfully
4408 [20:54:37] <_4of7> ah
4409 [20:54:39] <_4of7> ah
4410 [20:54:41] <_4of7> ah
4411 [20:54:46] <_4of7> arp -a on server can't see my client
4412 [20:54:47] <mihi> MrBar, nft is frontend for NFTables (new firewall framework that uses precompiled faster rules for both ip and bridge)
4413 [20:54:55] <_4of7> my client can see server mac running arp -a
4414 [20:55:09] <MrBar> mihi it not ready now afaik
4415 [20:55:21] <_4of7> client:
4416 [20:55:23] <_4of7> arp -a
4417 [20:55:25] <_4of7> libreboot.lan (192.168.1.171) at 00:1f:16:80:86:21 [ether] on enp0s25
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4419 [20:55:27] <_4of7> libreCMC.lan (192.168.1.1) at 2e:b0:5d:9c:a3:3d [ether] on enp0s25
4420 [20:55:29] <_4of7> outerhaven.lan (192.168.1.149) at 00:1f:16:40:20:11 [ether] on enp0s25
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4422 [20:55:29] <jelly> !paste
4423 [20:55:30] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: replaced-url
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4427 [20:56:12] <jelly> told you about the !paste bro
4428 [20:56:15] <_4of7> sorry about that
4429 [20:56:18] <_4of7> anyway: replaced-url
4430 [20:56:24] <_4of7> that's arp -a from server
4431 [20:56:35] <MrBar> _4of7, why you interface named like enp0s25?
4432 [20:56:39] <jelly> _4of7: that's really unreadable
4433 [20:56:43] <jelly> MrBar: that's normal
4434 [20:56:44] <teraflops> that's just a blurry pic
4435 [20:56:44] <migmolrod> that's the blurriest photo i've ever seen hahaha
4436 [20:56:54] <_4of7> this debian stretch server runs systemd i think
4437 [20:57:04] <MrBar> jelly, it not default in debian
4438 [20:57:06] <_4of7> yeah blame my shitty logitec c720 webcam
4439 [20:57:11] <jelly> MrBar: it is in stretch. replaced-url
4440 [20:57:28] <glycol> hramrach: what's still broken? maybe i can handle it, these old packages are getting annoying
4441 [20:57:30] <_4of7> actually
4442 [20:57:31] <MrBar> but stretch is not ready
4443 [20:57:32] <teraflops> _4of7: save the output to a file and put in a usbkey?
4444 [20:57:33] <_4of7> my server uses eth0
4445 [20:57:39] <_4of7> not the systemd notation
4446 [20:57:50] <jelly> MrBar: replaced-url
4447 [20:57:50] <_4of7> sure hang on
4448 [20:57:59] <jelly> MrBar: so what?
4449 [20:58:30] <teraflops> MrBar: if you upgrade from jessie to stretch if names remains the same
4450 [20:58:35] <MrBar> it too strange to help with distro that not ready
4451 [20:58:42] <jelly> teraflops: no they don't! :-)
4452 [20:58:46] <_4of7> stretch is stable
4453 [20:58:48] <_4of7> it comes out today
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4456 [20:58:54] <teraflops> jelly: they do
4457 [20:58:54] <MrBar> no
4458 [20:58:57] <_4of7> i had this ssh issue in jessie too
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4460 [20:59:05] <_4of7> ok i'll get usb key now
4461 [20:59:15] <MrBar> _4of7, just use stable distro to avoid problems
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4463 [20:59:18] <jelly> MrBar: it's ready.
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4465 [20:59:25] <gnunix> hi all, i have a quick question
4466 [20:59:33] <MrBar> jelly, it not ready for release
4467 [20:59:36] <jelly> MrBar: release is in progress.
4468 [20:59:44] <_4of7> release date for debian stretch is today lol
4469 [20:59:45] <jelly> it's not instantaneous
4470 [20:59:47] <MrBar> jelly, but not ready
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4472 [20:59:58] <teraflops> jelly: at least here, and when I pointed to it here I was told it was a normal behaviour
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4475 [21:00:15] <teraflops> MrBar: please…
4476 [21:00:18] <teraflops> ok
4477 [21:00:18] <jelly> MrBar: please don't argue needle... eh
4478 [21:00:19] <gnunix> i'm running stretch testing, what should i do when it's released?
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4481 [21:00:30] <glycol> *russian voice* iz not ready
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4483 [21:00:41] <jelly> comrade, it vill be ready for YOU
4484 [21:00:43] <teraflops> gnunix: nothing special
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4486 [21:01:04] <mihi> gnunix, in case you have "testing" in sources.list, decide if you want to replace by "stretch"
4487 [21:01:14] <_4of7> ok
4488 [21:01:18] <_4of7> arp -a from server:
4489 [21:01:20] <_4of7> replaced-url
4490 [21:01:22] <dontknow> gnunix, add this line to sources.list "deb replaced-url
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4492 [21:01:28] <gnunix> mihi: but i heard it itsn't released yet?
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4494 [21:01:43] <gnunix> ty ty
4495 [21:01:44] <jelly> _4of7: where's ip a or ifconfig -a from server?
4496 [21:01:50] <_4of7> arp -a from client: replaced-url
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4498 [21:02:00] <_4of7> jelly: do you want that too?
4499 [21:02:03] <jelly> didn't ask for arp from server at all
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4501 [21:02:16] <_4of7> ip a from server right?
4502 [21:02:19] <_4of7> or ipconfig
4503 [21:02:22] <_4of7> ifconfig*
4504 [21:02:26] <jelly> any of those will do
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4509 [21:03:05] <jelly> _4of7: want to see if MAC address on server's interface matches what the client sees (I bet it doesn't)
4510 [21:03:07] <teraflops> _4of7: excuse me I wasnt following your issue, are you running avahi-daemon and you cannot access the server by name?
4511 [21:03:23] <jelly> teraflops: cannot access ssh by ip, connection refused
4512 [21:03:26] <teraflops> ugh
4513 [21:03:31] <teraflops> thanks
4514 [21:03:45] <jelly> sshd running, no firewall on server, SUPPOSEDLY same network segment
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4518 [21:04:13] <_4of7> ifconfig from server: replaced-url
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4520 [21:04:31] <_4of7> ip a from server: replaced-url
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4525 [21:05:11] <_4of7> ip a from client: replaced-url
4526 [21:05:25] <_4of7> oh
4527 [21:05:27] <_4of7> oh
4528 [21:05:29] <_4of7> oh
4529 [21:05:31] <_4of7> oh
4530 [21:05:33] <_4of7> i think i know
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4533 [21:05:43] <_4of7> mac address conflict
4534 [21:05:46] <_4of7> i'm pretty sure this is the problem
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4540 [21:06:41] <_4of7> this is a libreboot system, on an intel gm45/ich9 laptop, where you're able to set a mac address in the ROM that you flash. i must be using the same mac address as another system, and forgot to change it
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4542 [21:06:53] <_4of7> i'll change the mac address to something random, and then see if ssh works
4543 [21:07:13] <_4of7> i probably have another system connected to the network, where i forgot to change the mac address
4544 [21:07:16] <jelly> !pal _4of7
4545 [21:07:16] * dpkg points at _4of7 and laughs hysterically
4546 [21:07:21] <_4of7> seriously
4547 [21:07:24] <_4of7> this is like
4548 [21:07:29] <teraflops> hehehe
4549 [21:07:36] <_4of7> the most common issue with networking on libreboot systems
4550 [21:07:58] <jelly> why not use the MAC that was there originally
4551 [21:08:05] <_4of7> you're in an organisation. you've got 10 T400s all lined up. none of them have network connections and you don't why. then you remember: you have to set different MAC addresses
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4553 [21:08:15] <_4of7> if you flash the exact same ROM on all systems, they'll all have the same MAC address
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4556 [21:08:32] <_4of7> i'm about to flash a different ROM (setting another hardcoded MAC address for the NIC)
4557 [21:08:37] <glycol> to upgrade i have to "apt upgrade" then dist-upgrade? because 600+ packages are not getting upgraded and some of them are from jessie-backports but also stuff like gdm3
4558 [21:08:43] <_4of7> if this fixes my issue, i'm going to laugh at myself hysterically
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4562 [21:09:22] <jelly> glycol: to upgrade, you need to read and follow the release notes
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4564 [21:09:51] <jelly> last time, that included "disable backports"
4565 [21:09:55] <brianx> or make images with a specific mac, when you see that mac, run a script that generates a random mac and uses arp to look to see if it already exists. if successful, save the mac.
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4569 [21:10:40] <jelly> or file a wishlist bug report for libreboot people to read off the original MAC before reflashing
4570 [21:10:45] <chachasmooth> stable 9 release is today?
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4572 [21:10:48] <chachasmooth> in a few hours?
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4574 [21:11:04] <jelly> chachasmooth: it's in progress RIGHT NOW!!!11!1eleventyone
4575 [21:11:07] <teraflops> brianx: I can think of a gazillion ways of doing it properly, but I dont get the point of hardcoding a mac address that way
4576 [21:11:20] <chachasmooth> jelly so excited! :)
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4580 [21:11:51] <jelly> dpkg, tell glycol about stretch release notes
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4584 [21:11:57] <jelly> dpkg, tell glycol about jessie->stretch
4585 [21:11:58] <brianx> teraflops: i think these are virtual machines so there is no physical mac to use.
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4587 [21:12:31] <chachasmooth> any news for LXD on debian?
4588 [21:12:42] <teraflops> I thought they where real hw, he mentioned thinkpads
4589 [21:12:48] <jelly> brianx: T400 are thinkpad laptops
4590 [21:12:52] <_4of7> heh
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4592 [21:12:54] <_4of7> cool
4593 [21:12:59] <_4of7> debian sets strict devmem by default now, in stretch
4594 [21:13:04] <id10t> re: release - where should i be looking for the earliest availability of torrents for the CD/DVD images so I can contribute by seeding?
4595 [21:13:08] <_4of7> i have to reboot with iomem=relaxed to use flashrom
4596 [21:13:32] <jelly> there's a couple of other restrictions that come with newer kernel
4597 [21:13:45] <brianx> teraflops: with so many lines from them, that detail had scrolled out. :-/
4598 [21:13:51] <teraflops> brianx: np
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4601 [21:14:24] <_4of7> ok did that. now flashing... will report whether i'm a dumbass and had conflicting mac address or not, in about 1 minute
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4603 [21:14:57] <jelly> id10t: probably replaced-url
4604 [21:15:14] <|subz3r0|> the day is almost over in this timezone here...
4605 [21:15:37] <brianx> at least tell the maintainers to use deadbeef or something so you know the mac is a dup _4of7.
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4607 [21:15:57] <jelly> id10t: see also topic for #debian-cd over on OFTC network (= irc.debian.org)
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4611 [21:16:13] <zleap> hi
4612 [21:16:33] <_4of7> hey so
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4614 [21:16:48] <_4of7> rebooted with new mac, but now i have no ip... how do i reset network config etc?
4615 [21:16:50] <zleap> any news on release time?
4616 [21:17:01] <_4of7> the same NIC now has a different hardcoded MAC address
4617 [21:17:11] <punctuatin> man macchanger?
4618 [21:17:13] <zleap> i have been checking the debiab site during the day
4619 [21:17:25] <punctuatin> ooh misread
4620 [21:17:28] <jelly> perhaps
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4622 [21:17:30] <jelly> !70
4623 [21:17:30] <dpkg> udev has the ability to statically rename Ethernet cards based on MAC address. The addresses are configured in /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules, edit this file to change the mappings. To apply changes: «udevadm trigger» or reload the relevant driver module. See also <udev>.
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4625 [21:17:46] <_4of7> also is there a guide somewhere on how to get back to eth0, eth1 etc
4626 [21:17:56] <_4of7> i really hate systemd's notation for network devices
4627 [21:17:59] <jelly> _4of7: that's documented in the release notes
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4629 [21:18:11] <_4of7> ok thanks i'll check
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4632 [21:19:20] <jelly> or maybe not. Upstream docs say you can this to boot params: net.ifnames=0 biosdevname=0
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4639 [21:20:20] <jelly> and that explains why I got new names even on jessie->stretch upgrade, I manually deleted the udev file.
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4646 [21:21:06] <Guest95754> how can i get my fn+f5 and fn+f6 function to increase and decrease the Brightness because they are not working for now
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4648 [21:21:59] <teraflops> Guest95754: not working where?
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4650 [21:22:09] <velix> Is today the day?
4651 [21:22:21] <teraflops> yeah it's caturday
4652 [21:22:32] <jelly> Guest95754: run xev in a terminal, see if those generate a relevant key code at all
4653 [21:22:41] <velix> teraflops: na, I mean, where ETA turns to RTM
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4656 [21:22:54] <jelly> velix: release is in progress.
4657 [21:23:20] <velix> jelly: Torrent might be fastest, I guess? ;)
4658 [21:23:24] <|subz3r0|> Guest95754: check some settings in /etc/default/grub
4659 [21:23:35] <|subz3r0|> no time to check which settings exactly... but this is a start
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4661 [21:23:43] <jelly> velix: torrents not ready yet I think
4662 [21:23:54] <teraflops> Guest95754: we definitely need more info
4663 [21:24:03] <velix> jelly: On Windows I would say: let's wait for SP1 :))
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4666 [21:25:18] <Guest95754> yes when i run xen in the terminal the codes get generated on moving the cursor
4667 [21:25:32] <jhutchins> I've seen this before but don't remember the resolutio: System will boot and run, but hangs regularly and will only proceed if you keep pressing keys on the keyboard. New Motherboard?
4668 [21:25:50] <Guest95754> what more info do you need
4669 [21:25:53] <teraflops> Guest95754: DE/WM, video driver, debian release, kernel version…
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4671 [21:26:46] <_4of7> so my problem now is:
4672 [21:26:56] <_4of7> systemd still thinks I have old MAC address
4673 [21:27:03] <_4of7> the same NIC now has a different MAC address
4674 [21:27:16] <jelly> Guest95754: not on moving the cursor, on pressing and releasing your Fn-F5 and Fn-F6
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4676 [21:27:17] <_4of7> I can't get an IP address, on the same NIC, which did have an IP before changing it's hardcoded MAC address
4677 [21:27:30] <teraflops> Guest95754: e.g DEs usually handle it for you while WMs dont
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4679 [21:27:38] <jelly> _4of7: how do you know it's systemd?
4680 [21:27:42] <_4of7> on non-systemd systems, this would have resolted before afaik in the interface moving to eth1 eth2 etc
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4682 [21:27:56] <teraflops> Guest95754: also depending on the GPU/drivers you can have issues, same for the kernel
4683 [21:28:01] <_4of7> jelly: because of the device naming scheme. my NIC is named enp0s25
4684 [21:28:05] <_4of7> not eth0
4685 [21:28:12] <jelly> _4of7: is the 70-persistent-net file in place?
4686 [21:28:19] <_4of7> let me check
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4688 [21:28:39] * jelly asked that 10 minutes ago
4689 [21:28:56] <_4of7> yes
4690 [21:28:58] <_4of7> it is
4691 [21:29:00] <ChunkzZ> jelly: anything since I've been gone?
4692 [21:29:05] <_4of7> ah
4693 [21:29:12] <_4of7> yes i have to change the mac address there don't i?
4694 [21:29:21] <jelly> or delete it, yes
4695 [21:29:33] <jelly> ChunkzZ: wrt?
4696 [21:29:48] <ChunkzZ> has it been released?
4697 [21:30:01] <jelly> no, I'd have changed the /topic probably
4698 [21:30:05] <teraflops> _4of7: or you can leave the iface name issue apart and focus on getting it working properly…
4699 [21:30:28] <teraflops> then rename it to goat0 if you like
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4702 [21:30:46] <jelly> goaterfaces are not supported in stretch
4703 [21:30:54] <teraflops> sadly
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4706 [21:31:35] <_4of7> now i know why people hate systemd
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4708 [21:31:50] <teraflops> speak for yourself
4709 [21:31:54] <_4of7> jelly: delete 70-persistent-rules file?
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4711 [21:32:03] * teraflops bails on this one
4712 [21:32:05] <jelly> _4of7: yes, it's autogenerated
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4714 [21:32:24] <jelly> and it's not systemd's fault
4715 [21:32:49] <jelly> that existed since... debian 5 or so
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4717 [21:33:04] <_4of7> deleted it
4718 [21:33:06] <_4of7> rebooted
4719 [21:33:08] <_4of7> still no IP
4720 [21:33:31] <_4of7> enp0s25 can't be brought up since changing mac address of the NIC
4721 [21:33:44] <jelly> are you supposed to get a dinamically assigned address via dhcp or what?
4722 [21:34:18] <_4of7> yes
4723 [21:34:36] <jelly> _4of7: what does your /etc/network/interfaces look like?
4724 [21:34:47] <_4of7> let me go grab it
4725 [21:34:56] <_4of7> oh wait it says eth0 in there
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4729 [21:36:06] <jelly> might want to change that (or go back to old naming)
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4738 [21:38:53] <Guest95754> so what can i do about the problem i have
4739 [21:38:55] <ChunkzZ> I'm getting bored of seeing the hashtag #releasingstretch lol anyone else?
4740 [21:38:55] <_4of7> ok, did that
4741 [21:38:57] <_4of7> now i have an ip
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4743 [21:39:05] <_4of7> i changing /etc/network/interfaces to say enp0s25
4744 [21:39:18] <_4of7> why did my networking work before though, if that file was incorrect before?
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4747 [21:39:47] <_4of7> oh btw
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4749 [21:39:55] <_4of7> jelly: I'm an idiot
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4751 [21:40:11] <_4of7> because i was right: what made ssh'ing into the system network, was indeed a mac address conflict
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4754 [21:40:31] <_4of7> i just got the network working on the system, and now it has a different MAC address, and now I can ssh into the server
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4756 [21:40:45] <_4of7> so debian was working perfectly, it was just me being stupid
4757 [21:40:51] <_4of7> nonetheless, thank you for your help
4758 [21:41:00] <_4of7> this issue was not caused by debian, however
4759 [21:41:24] <_4of7> ...now i can continue setting up my debian router
4760 [21:41:26] <_4of7> thanks!
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4762 [21:41:40] <jelly> !next
4763 [21:41:40] <dpkg> Another happy customer leaves the building.
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4767 [21:42:47] <jelly> and hopefully they've learned something about systematically approaching a network service issue
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4769 [21:43:35] <maunix_> Hi all. I am looking for torrent file for the stretch release. I have found torrent for the stable release, and the iso of the stretch rc5 iso image. Is there any torrent of the stretch rc5-amd64 file?
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4771 [21:44:02] <glycol> maunix_: probably not, as it's not officially out yet
4772 [21:44:02] <maunix_> the reason is that my internet connection sucks (It looses packages) but with torrent it downloads fast
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4774 [21:44:16] <glycol> oh rc5
4775 [21:44:44] <jelly> maunix_: soon
4776 [21:44:46] <maunix_> testing can do the job too. but stable is not ok for me. because i would need to download again...
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4778 [21:45:03] <jelly> (today or tomorrow)
4779 [21:45:28] <maunix_> i mean if i download the stable then when changing repositories to testing... i would have to stand for long updates.
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4781 [21:46:07] <glycol> looks like everytime pidgin makes a sound system volume goes to 100% and stays there
4782 [21:46:12] <maunix_> [jelly] and glycol... thanks. any torrent of rc4?
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4785 [21:46:56] <maunix_> what i want is to be on testing branch, rc4 can do the job too of course. only minor updates would be necessary compared with stable :)
4786 [21:47:16] <teraflops> glycol: pulseaudio? if yes disable flat-volumes
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4788 [21:47:56] <glycol> maunix_: .torrent for debian-stretch-DI-rc5-arm64-DVD-1.iso ?
4789 [21:47:56] <teraflops> which I reaaally dont know why is default in debian btw
4790 [21:48:15] <maunix_> [glycol] yes.
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4793 [21:48:36] <maunix_> or for debian-stretch-DI-rc4-arm64-DVD-1.iso or any previous one
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4796 [21:48:44] <glycol> teraflops: got used to it but this isn't definitely not intended behavior, im on stretch btw
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4799 [21:49:19] <Fallenour1> can your hostname be set to two separate names?
4800 [21:49:31] <teraflops> glycol: check if flat-volumes is enabled
4801 [21:49:36] <Fallenour1> say for instance one name for configuration purposes, another for simple management purposes?
4802 [21:49:50] <petn-randall> Fallenour1: no
4803 [21:49:57] <Fallenour1> E.G: 10.0.0.1 controller1 10.0.0.1 openstack-srv-000001
4804 [21:49:58] <Fallenour1> damn
4805 [21:49:58] <petn-randall> Fallenour1: see 'man hostname' for details.
4806 [21:50:07] <Fallenour1> one or the other then :(
4807 [21:50:07] <slurik> I'm looking for help. I'd like to use CMake to compile things, but when i follow guides and whatnot, everytime that I execute cmake to do so, it says no CMAKE_CXX_COMPILER could be found. I understand in principle what this is telling me but I am not clear on how to obtain and install then direct cmake to a compiler. I would like someone to help me with this process
4808 [21:50:21] <APLU> maunix_: CD or DVD ?
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4810 [21:50:29] <teraflops> glycol: replaced-url
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4812 [21:50:36] <Fallenour1> did you try it as root slurik? I know that sounds odd, but I have compiling issues some times related to privileges
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4814 [21:50:41] <slurik> no I did not.
4815 [21:50:45] <slurik> Give me a moment to try that
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4817 [21:50:46] <Fallenour1> try it as root
4818 [21:50:50] <petn-randall> It's not recommended?
4819 [21:50:57] <Fallenour1> but it works o.o
4820 [21:50:58] <petn-randall> Compiling as root is a big no-go.
4821 [21:51:02] <maunix_> [APLU] any but I prever dvd.
4822 [21:51:03] <slurik> nah, same error
4823 [21:51:03] <glycol> teraflops: yeah 1 sec
4824 [21:51:04] <slurik> exit
4825 [21:51:15] <jelly> Fallenour1: why would that even
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4827 [21:51:17] <slurik> wops, wrong box
4828 [21:51:32] <slurik> but yeah, saying same thing to me. CMAKE_CXX_Compiler cant be found
4829 [21:51:42] <jelly> slurik: install build-essential, for a start
4830 [21:51:52] <slurik> ok jelly, I'll do this now
4831 [21:52:04] <Fallenour1> sometimes Im not granted access to some of my tools because they require administrative or root privileges. its not ideal, but again, its why vms and tools like openstack exist. tool blows up box with root powers, blow box away, new box 6 seconds later
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4833 [21:53:10] <jelly> Fallenour1: do not make an implicit assumption other users have disposable vm/container environments like that when suggesting solutions
4834 [21:53:22] <slurik> ok now I get a different error Jelly. Check for working CXX compiler: /usr/bin/c++
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4836 [21:53:37] <jelly> that's not the complete output
4837 [21:53:39] <jelly> !paste
4838 [21:53:39] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: replaced-url
4839 [21:53:44] <slurik> hell no!
4840 [21:53:48] <slurik> i don want to spam like that
4841 [21:53:54] <teraflops> also what Fallenour1 says is a bad practice no matter the environment is a real machine or vm
4842 [21:53:56] <slurik> k noted. ill do this
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4844 [21:54:17] <jelly> slurik: which debian release is this btw?
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4849 [21:54:30] <slurik> i used the netinstaller for jessie
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4851 [21:54:54] <slurik> im a TOTAL newb, i may be answering the wrong thing
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4859 [21:56:17] <jelly> which is why showing the exact command you used and full output may be more helpful than a small selection
4860 [21:56:33] <slurik> replaced-url
4861 [21:56:37] <slurik> i think that will work.
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4863 [21:56:55] <slurik> the command was copied and pasted from a guide
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4865 [21:57:01] <poicte> appologies if this has already been asked, but does anyone know when the ISO file will be come downloadable for stretch
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4868 [21:57:49] <slurik> i obtained the guide here:replaced-url
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4870 [21:58:01] <slurik> and am following instructions for ubuntu
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4872 [21:58:34] <slurik> "Ubuntu 15.10 or Newer"
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4875 [21:58:53] <slurik> id just rather not go install ubuntu, this machine was something I put together to learn linux
4876 [21:59:08] <Fallenour1> hey slurik are you using it for bitcoin mining by chance?
4877 [21:59:12] <slurik> and it is used for RPi
4878 [21:59:17] <slurik> ethereum mining, yes
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4881 [21:59:32] <Fallenour1> ok, dont waste your time with ubuntu then, go get busybox or puppy linux
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4883 [21:59:45] <slurik> reason being?
4884 [21:59:54] <slurik> highr hashrates?
4885 [21:59:57] <jelly> slurik: I see two different issues there, lines 2-5,13-16 complain of permssions, (did you unpack or git clone as root?), and more important, line 31 says you're missing -dev package (headers) for some CryptoPP library
4886 [21:59:59] <slurik> higher?^
4887 [22:00:01] <Fallenour1> its less resource intensive, and will increase your systems performance. also be aware that microcenter and newegg have started dropping graphics card replacement plans
4888 [22:00:10] <Fallenour1> so go get an asic miner for ideal mining conditions
4889 [22:00:10] <slurik> no I didnt as root.
4890 [22:00:12] <glycol> maunix_: magnet:?xt=urn:btih:21bc9fa7d3765db87882944833ffa4515cb81b78&dn=debian-stretch-DI-rc5-arm64-DVD-1.iso
4891 [22:00:20] <slurik> yes
4892 [22:00:24] <slurik> i noted that abot newegg
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4895 [22:00:39] <slurik> ok well, I'll trust your judgement Fallenour1 and note your name down and try that road
4896 [22:00:46] <slurik> you might hear from me in a day or 2 :)
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4900 [22:01:03] <jelly> glycol: that's old, the actual release image is being tested and will be out today or tomorrow
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4902 [22:01:08] <Fallenour1> your best odds of keeping your g-card alive is water cooling, look at the h60. its not designed for it, but you can totaly use it on the gcard by removing the side covers and not using the fans
4903 [22:01:23] <Fallenour1> use a box fan for the area space, and the water cooler direct on where the fan cooler would be
4904 [22:01:30] <teraflops> he left
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4906 [22:01:41] <teraflops> ey^
4907 [22:01:43] <Fallenour1> a push/pull would be best
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4912 [22:02:50] <APLU> glycol: well, I made that torrent for maunix_ (he is downloading from it) magnet:?xt=urn:btih:3cf027783d23ce5208f1647eca5b26e08fc2c402&dn=debian-testing-amd64-DVD-1.iso&tr=udp%3A%2F%2Ftracker.opentrackr.org%3A1337 (I know image is 1week old and new release will be anytime now :)
4913 [22:03:23] <maunix_> [glycol] thanks! APLU sent me the link via private message
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4920 [22:03:39] <glycol> maunix_: alright
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4922 [22:04:17] <jelly> I'd advise against using random torrents unless you can checksum and gpg verify the iso
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4925 [22:04:44] <glycol> yeah, sha1 is in the magnet url
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4927 [22:04:59] <APLU> you can checksum by downloading sha1 from here: replaced-url
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4930 [22:05:29] <APLU> (or any sha if you fear about shattered…)
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4958 [22:14:13] <ChunkzZ> There are 417 Debian consultants in 55 countries worldwide. Consult on Debian today! replaced-url
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4962 [22:14:56] <jelly> don't sync your watch.
4963 [22:15:14] <ChunkzZ> jelly: ?
4964 [22:15:29] <APLU> ChunkzZ: have you ever seen a debian released right on time? :p (sorry troll was too easy ^^)
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4968 [22:15:58] <ChunkzZ> APLU: nope, this is the first time I'm seeing a new debian release on release day lol why?
4969 [22:16:24] <jelly> ChunkzZ: things will be out gradually, over time of today and maybe tomorrow
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4971 [22:16:53] <ChunkzZ> jelly: so safe to say I should go bed? lol been awake waiting for it...
4972 [22:16:53] <jelly> that means repo changes, iso images, documentation
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4974 [22:17:19] <jelly> ChunkzZ: yes
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4976 [22:17:34] <jelly> it won't run away anywhere :-)
4977 [22:17:41] <choice> Hello! I am looking at some 16 year old old gzipped email files via zless. Instead of ü I see <FC> and instead of ö <F6> :) What can I do to see the text normally?
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4979 [22:18:47] <jelly> choice: if your terminal is UTF-8 enabled, you'll want to transcode that (ISO-8859-1?) to UTF-8 first
4980 [22:18:56] <choice> jelly: How so?
4981 [22:19:28] <jelly> zcat blah.gz | iconv -f iso8859-1 -t utf8 | less ... maybe
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4983 [22:20:47] <velix> Which 2017/06/17 is meant as the relase date? I think, there are more than 24 of instance of this date on the world ;)
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4985 [22:21:35] <jelly> choice: I'm _guessing_ it's in latin1 (iso8859-1), maybe it's some other coding, but "man latin1" says " 366 246 F6 ö LATIN SMALL LETTER O WITH DIAERESIS"
4986 [22:21:49] <choice> jelly: I tried "vim blah.gz" and it displays it correctly automagically! Yay!
4987 [22:21:49] <jelly> velix: UTC+13
4988 [22:21:58] <velix> jelly: uh, I'm +2 :(
4989 [22:22:33] <velix> jelly: Whenever I read "diaeresis" I have to smile and think about "diarrhea" :)
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4994 [22:23:29] <velix> choice: It might also be iso8859-15 or Windows-1252 (latin1). "ö" is used in the German language.
4995 [22:23:34] * jelly throws ümläütën ät velïx
4996 [22:23:51] <jelly> cp1252 isn't "latin1"
4997 [22:24:22] <velix> jelly: returns a Capital ß: ẞ
4998 [22:24:45] <velix> jelly: you're right, sorry.
4999 [22:24:52] <jelly> that was a wide throw
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5001 [22:25:09] <velix> jelly: here's a nice comparism: replaced-url
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5005 [22:25:49] <Fallenour1> so if I build a freenas box inside of ceph as a vm, what is the performance hit do you think ill take percentage wise on iops?
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5007 [22:26:08] <jelly> Fallenour1: how is that a debian question
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5013 [22:26:56] <Fallenour1> because ceph will sit ontop of debian?
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5015 [22:27:05] <Ulrar> Fallenour1: And that's completely impossible to say without more info about your setup anyway. You should try #ceph though :)
5016 [22:27:45] <Fallenour1> ok ulrar ill check that out. Im not sure how debian will interact with ceph, much less vms or itself. Im only familiar with VM iops loss/gains with Hyper-V and vmware :(
5017 [22:28:01] <Ulrar> Fallenour1: Debian has basically nothing to do with this
5018 [22:28:21] <Ulrar> What will matter is Ceph and your hardware
5019 [22:28:26] <jelly> this will all depend on drivers and hardware and storage config in question
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5022 [22:28:52] <Fallenour1> config is a raid 10, solid state drives, 84k iops
5023 [22:29:18] <jelly> still asking in the wrong place
5024 [22:29:29] <Ulrar> Yeah, debian people don't know how ceph works
5025 [22:29:40] <Ulrar> (Well, they might, but that's not the point)
5026 [22:30:00] <Ulrar> You need to ask the Ceph people, they are way more likely to know how ceph works :)
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5029 [22:30:33] <jelly> the point is very specific domain expertise is better handled in a different channel than your distro tech support
5030 [22:30:42] <Fallenour1> honestly I already have, people dont talk too often in the ceph or openstack channels for some reason
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5032 [22:30:51] <Ulrar> It's like asking vmware about apache
5033 [22:31:01] <jelly> but I run apache on vmware!!
5034 [22:31:06] <Ulrar> :D
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5036 [22:31:34] <Ulrar> Fallenour1: I imagine there is no way to answer your question (besides test it)
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5039 [22:31:40] <Ulrar> But I could be wrong, I've never used Ceph
5040 [22:32:36] <Ulrar> I use glusterfs a lot though, and if you were to ask the same question about glusterfs my answer would be "A lot", but no idea how much
5041 [22:32:42] <Ulrar> Pretty sure it's the same for ceph
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5047 [22:33:59] <Fallenour1> Ill let you guys know what I find out for future reference (unlikely as it may be). one of my plans is to migrate kodi installs into a native package with mysql for later reference. will allow video streaming and awesome video cataloging. Ill call it "WinDebian, Jelly Version"
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5058 [22:36:25] <mrblckshewtt> sup racists
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5061 [22:36:51] <Fallenour1> debian question, for debian environments, is there a single sign on package thats recommended? ive noticed that each of my credentials are treated as separate, even if theyre the same on different servers
5062 [22:36:58] <sypher> Yeah, I don't like races either. NASCAR, Indy racing, F1, it's all kinda boring to me.
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5069 [22:40:46] <persiandrugs> 100m, 8000m, marathons, triathlons... I disapprove also
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5071 [22:41:58] <jelly> Fallenour1: that's a question I wish I had an answer to. sssd stuff is packaged, pam-ldapd, other ldap and kerberos bits are too
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5097 [22:54:26] <sIRwa2> FMI, will updating to stretch remove Mysql during to update process?
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5104 [22:54:52] <ansgar> sIRwa2: I think it is supposed to install MariaDB instead.
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5107 [22:55:25] <sIRwa2> hm, interessting
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5110 [22:56:17] <maxxe> *on stretch now*
5111 [22:57:22] <jelly> sIRwa2: mysql 5.5 -> mariadb 10.1 by default, replaced-url
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5113 [22:57:50] <dontknow> there is still no debian 9 >.<
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5115 [22:58:33] <jelly> cat /etc/debian_version
5116 [22:58:33] <jelly> 9.0
5117 [22:58:48] <dontknow> it is fake
5118 [22:58:53] <jelly> nope
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5125 [22:59:37] <jelly> it's been that way for a while in stretch,
5126 [22:59:44] <jelly> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 4 Jan 15 23:00 /etc/debian_version
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5129 [23:00:49] <dontknow> it is just a writing
5130 [23:00:55] <sIRwa2> tnx jelly
5131 [23:00:57] <arTee> upgrade to testing
5132 [23:01:01] <sIRwa2> mysql Ver 14.14 Distrib 5.5.55, for debian-linux-gnu (x86_64) using readline 6.3
5133 [23:01:01] <arTee> you will get stretch
5134 [23:01:18] <arTee> ez
5135 [23:01:18] <dontknow> i am already on stretch
5136 [23:01:21] <APLU> dontknow: you can still upgrade to strech right now by switching your sources.list, there will be few changes when it will be out
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5138 [23:01:49] <dontknow> i am on fake stretch
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5143 [23:02:23] <sIRwa2> im only running to Kodi clients on the mysql, will they just not notice the upgrade to mariasql?
5144 [23:02:31] <jelly> dontknow: nothing fake about it
5145 [23:02:34] <choice> Hello! Where can I look up which version of certain applications will be in Debian 9? For example, which PHP version will it be?
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5147 [23:03:02] <[R]> choice: replaced-url
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5150 [23:03:25] <dontknow> choice, replaced-url
5151 [23:03:45] <APLU> dontknow: nothing fake here… strech code name has been choose a long time ago now...
5152 [23:03:54] <choice> [R]: And tomorrow I will look at stable?
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5155 [23:04:06] <[R]> choice: well tomorrow you acn just look at the files on the mirrors
5156 [23:04:06] <[R]> lol
5157 [23:04:44] <choice> "Package: php (1:7.0+49)" - what does that mean?
5158 [23:04:45] <dontknow> APLU, no. it is pirate version
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5160 [23:05:00] <[R]> choice: php 7.0
5161 [23:05:12] <dontknow> choice, look at the link i post. it sows what version
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5163 [23:05:49] <choice> dontknow: ok
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5165 [23:06:16] <APLU> dontknow: yeah sure… and deb.debian.org is probably distributing malware, infecting and destroying my laptop…
5166 [23:06:18] <choice> There is no search function where I can search for the name of an application and it shows which version will be in Debian 9?
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5168 [23:06:36] <[R]> choice: thats what the pacakges link is
5169 [23:07:12] <glycol> choice: (1:7.0+49) means 7.0 basically
5170 [23:07:19] <choice> r: I don't see a search on there.
5171 [23:07:41] <[R]> choice: i know its tough
5172 [23:07:44] <[R]> yo ugotta scroll down
5173 [23:07:45] <[R]> and actually read
5174 [23:07:48] <APLU> choice: "This package is a dependency package, which depends on Debian's default PHP version (currently 7.0)."
5175 [23:07:49] <jelly> choice: you can also /msg judd versions firefox-esr
5176 [23:08:31] <dontknow> with debian stretch i will download more ram
5177 [23:08:32] <mint> I can do download from packet in other local or apt only?
5178 [23:08:34] <dob1> really interface are no longer named eth0 ??
5179 [23:08:39] <dob1> eth1 etc?
5180 [23:08:40] <choice> For cutycapt it says "cutycapt (0.0~svn10-0.1)" - what does that mean?
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5182 [23:08:54] <jelly> dob1: for a fresh install? correct
5183 [23:09:02] <dob1> jelly, for an upgrade
5184 [23:09:11] <dontknow> dob1, it must be enp10s
5185 [23:09:22] <jelly> dob1: they're kept. read the release notes
5186 [23:09:23] <dontknow> or something like that
5187 [23:09:24] <KANGZZZ> when are the debian stretch ISO being made?
5188 [23:09:33] <jelly> !stretch release notes
5189 [23:09:34] <dpkg> The release notes for Debian 9 "Stretch" are at replaced-url
5190 [23:09:36] <dontknow> in farm
5191 [23:09:52] <chachasmooth> is it already live?
5192 [23:09:53] <jelly> KANGZZZ: they've been made. Testing now in progress.
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5194 [23:10:37] <dontknow> they have tested it for years. they should stop testing neaw
5195 [23:10:46] <|subz3r0|> yeah
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5198 [23:10:55] <|subz3r0|> i also cannot read those "info" anymore...
5199 [23:11:03] <|subz3r0|> "There are 417 Debian consultants in 55 countries worldwide. Consult on Debian today! "
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5201 [23:11:09] <|subz3r0|> actually i want the release ;)
5202 [23:11:16] <jelly> dontknow: the images for 9.0.0 have been built today and are being tested today.
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5204 [23:11:56] <jelly> you don't want to give automated builds with potentially embarrasing bugs to normal users.
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5207 [23:12:14] <johnjay> do i have to restart my computer after the dist-build upgrade completes?
5208 [23:12:32] <jelly> johnjay: did you read the release notes?
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5212 [23:12:48] <johnjay> nope. are they in the topic?
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5214 [23:12:56] <dontknow> better you reboot it
5215 [23:13:10] <dob1> jelly, ok thanks. but i don't find the section about the new iptables and the transaction to it (or if i can keep iptables)
5216 [23:13:10] <glycol> you mean dist-upgrade?
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5219 [23:13:20] <johnjay> glycol: i said dist-upgrade
5220 [23:13:21] <jelly> johnjay: they are in /msg dpkg jessie->stretch
5221 [23:13:23] <jelly> so yes
5222 [23:13:28] <johnjay> thanks
5223 [23:13:37] <glycol> "dist-build upgrade"
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5225 [23:13:48] <jelly> eh, they know what they meant
5226 [23:14:39] <dontknow> do channel accept the stretch support now?
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5232 [23:16:43] <jelly> dontknow: we've accepted some stretch support for weeks-months now
5233 [23:17:03] <dontknow> lol months?
5234 [23:17:08] <dontknow> no sir no
5235 [23:17:22] <missmbob> yes we have
5236 [23:17:35] <dob1> or there is not a replacement of iptables in stretch? it's in the next one?
5237 [23:17:39] <jelly> not all of the volunteers, but some have.
5238 [23:17:58] <jelly> dob1: there's still iptables, but there's also nftables in stretch
5239 [23:18:37] <ryouma> will popular firewalls adopt nftables?
5240 [23:18:59] <dob1> jelly, i don't remember where, but i read some documentation about it, how to translate iptables rules to nftables rules. there is nothing in release notes
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5242 [23:19:12] <johnjay> jelly: Chapter 5 says there are no additional step before rebooting
5243 [23:19:13] <dob1> (related to debian)
5244 [23:19:17] <johnjay> but doesn't explicitly say to do so
5245 [23:19:28] <jelly> dob1: nftables upstream have a decent wiki
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5247 [23:20:00] <jelly> johnjay: you upgraded the kernel. That always requires a reboot
5248 [23:20:23] <jelly> "for changes to apply"
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5250 [23:20:26] <KANGZZZ> is gnome still going to be the default DE?
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5252 [23:20:35] <johnjay> is it getting the new kernel version or is there more to why that's necessary
5253 [23:20:35] <johnjay> ok that's what i thought
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5256 [23:21:04] <jelly> KANGZZZ: yes, but there are installation images with other DEs available
5257 [23:21:10] <missmbob> KANGZZZ: sure, in netinst and such.
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5259 [23:21:43] <Canucktux_> does anyone know when stretch-backports becomes active
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5261 [23:22:32] <jelly> Canucktux_: last time it took a week or two
5262 [23:23:11] <jelly> not before buster becomes significantly different from stretch anyway
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5264 [23:23:18] <Canucktux_> jelly: cool, I'l hunker down then
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5271 [23:23:47] <jelly> if you _already_ know you need a newer version of something, consider doing a
5272 [23:23:49] <jelly> !ssb
5273 [23:23:49] <dpkg> First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
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5277 [23:24:59] <Canucktux_> jelly: right now I'm just using a experimental version
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5279 [23:25:12] <Canucktux_> but nothing to pressig so I'll wait for stable backports
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5282 [23:26:05] <jelly> eh. So something will get uploaded to unstable sooner or later, and then fall to testing, and then if it's really useful rebuilt for backports ;-)
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5284 [23:27:43] <Canucktux_> Need those fresh MPV features yo
5285 [23:28:16] <webuser5224> Is stretch on stable already?
5286 [23:28:23] <Canucktux_> webuser5224: yes!
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5288 [23:28:50] <edi> ah is it ?
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5290 [23:29:08] <edi> cool!
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5293 [23:29:27] <johnjay> well the upgrade seemed to go smoothly. although my chat client is still out of date
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5297 [23:29:39] <Canucktux_> edi: no party like a release party!
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5299 [23:29:50] <johnjay> jelly how is it you have the same system since 2001? wouldn't you get corrupt packages or something at some point and have to reinstall?
5300 [23:29:54] <webuser5224> Ahh, the netinst still gives me 8.8.0
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5303 [23:30:09] <webuser5224> replaced-url
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5305 [23:30:30] <mdslektr> exit
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5308 [23:30:36] <edi> Cunucktux_, ^^
5309 [23:30:38] <webuser5224> (I didn't want to have to upgrade if I can directly install it.)
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5312 [23:31:06] <KANGZZZ> webuser5224, replaced-url
5313 [23:31:20] <Canucktux_> webuser5224: grab the latest testing net install then
5314 [23:31:26] <webuser5224> And then I'm tracking stretch, correct?
5315 [23:31:28] <webuser5224> Not stable?
5316 [23:31:33] <APLU> johnjay: well one of my server were installed with floppy drive (debian 3.1 if I'm correct) and has been upgraded to debian 8 following release schedule without any issue for the past year :)
5317 [23:31:36] <jelly> johnjay: there have been 3-4 major issues, mostly while I was tracking unstable or testing
5318 [23:31:51] <Canucktux_> webuser5224: I believe so
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5320 [23:32:05] <KANGZZZ> webuser5224, track stretch on your sources.list never use "stable" or "testing", you'll run into too many issues
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5324 [23:32:20] <KANGZZZ> always use codenames
5325 [23:32:49] <Canucktux_> KANGZZZ: don't you still need to use dist-upgrade on "stable" or "testing" ?
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5327 [23:32:55] <jelly> I think I have server installations from 3.1 as well, but my home workstation was first installed as 2.1 to a Pentium 133 tower
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5331 [23:33:49] <jelly> johnjay: in-place release upgrades that actually work are one of Debian's largest comparative benefits
5332 [23:33:51] <KANGZZZ> Canucktux_, unsure about that
5333 [23:34:10] <KANGZZZ> I was always advised here to just stay on the codenames in sources.list
5334 [23:34:22] <jelly> KANGZZZ: that's good advice
5335 [23:34:25] <Canucktux_> KANGZZZ: it sure does simplify things
5336 [23:35:18] <jelly> Canucktux_: debian used "stable" in sources.list until Debian 5 or so, that had caused SO MANY nasty surprises
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5338 [23:35:57] <Canucktux_> I made sure to double check my testing install was on "stretch" when I installed
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5340 [23:36:04] <Canucktux_> My body was ready for the stable
5341 [23:36:06] <KANGZZZ> yeah I was told you would get a half ugprade that breaks the system and all sorts of craziness
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5344 [23:36:24] <webuser5224> Thanks for the advice, guys!
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5348 [23:37:26] <Canucktux_> good luck with your install webuser5224
5349 [23:37:41] <glycol> almost forgot to ask: what's up with x32?
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5355 [23:40:01] <Canucktux_> glycol: should be supported still replaced-url
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5360 [23:41:10] <glycol> the x32 ABI i mean, 32 bit pointers with amd64 registers
5361 [23:41:13] <TomTomTosch> x32 is not officially supported.
5362 [23:41:48] <jelly> x32 has like 3 people in the channel, and about 1.5 actually doing any work on it
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5364 [23:41:58] <glycol> lol ok then
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5367 [23:42:33] <jelly> so if you want it to happen... you'll want to do a fair share of work
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5369 [23:43:17] <jelly> ooh. There's like double the people in that channel now, six!!
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5387 [23:50:58] <ralpheeee> i installed debian and must say I was really surprised how it provided exceptional battery life when compared to arch...(not starting a flaming war)...i did however miss some packages which were quite behind (neomutt, qutebrowser...yada yada yada)...however i was really impressed with debain so i think i will go back to it...should i just wait till the 20th or just pull the trigger now?
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5390 [23:51:25] <cgt> ralpheeee: wait for what?
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5393 [23:51:37] <glycol> ralpheeee: you should be alright with 9 as it is right now
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5395 [23:52:04] <cgt> Stretch release was pushed to the 20th??
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5397 [23:52:31] <ralpheeee> oh my bad...i thought stretch was being released on 20th
5398 [23:53:16] <ralpheeee> glycol: cool....will just do a clonezilla of my arch and get too it...
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5400 [23:54:29] <cgt> It's supposed to be released today, but we'll see. It works well. Running it on my desktop for months now, also two other boxes.
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5408 [23:57:13] <ralpheeee> cgt: what kernel are you using?
5409 [23:57:21] <jelly> ,kernels
5410 [23:57:22] <judd> Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.11.0-trunk-686 (4.11.3-1~exp1); sid: 4.9.0-3-686 (4.9.30-2); stretch: 4.9.0-3-686 (4.9.30-2); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.3-686 (4.9.25-1~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.43-2); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.88-1)
5411 [23:57:22] <cgt> 4.9
5412 [23:57:33] <jelly> ,kernels --arch amd64
5413 [23:57:34] <judd> (kernels [--release <squeeze>]) -- Outputs the kernel versions in the archive, optionally restricted to one release. Note that semi-major releases like etchnhalf are treated as separate releases.
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5415 [23:57:44] <cgt> ralpheeee: Linux dpc4 4.9.0-3-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.9.30-2 (2017-06-12) x86_64 GNU/Linux
5416 [23:58:04] <TomTomTosch> mutt in stretch includes neomutt patches.
5417 [23:58:06] <Fallenour1> hey guys i keep getting a command line option -t not found on apt-get -t jessie-backports install, but I know for a fact its valid, its in the man pages. ideas?
5418 [23:58:25] <jelly> TomTomTosch: but no sidebar any more
5419 [23:58:41] <ralpheeee> TomTomTosch: ahhh....good to know
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5421 [23:58:46] <babilen> Hmm, docker didn't make it after all
5422 [23:58:53] <Horachi> Hi, I'm on Debian Jessie and would rather stick with it for now instead of upgrading to stretch. Will I need to change anything in my sources.list?
5423 [23:58:56] <webuser5224> KANGZZZ, how do I verify those downloads, though?
5424 [23:58:57] <ralpheeee> jelly: dafuq...;(
5425 [23:58:57] <jelly> Fallenour1: pastebin the full command line and full output
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5428 [23:59:15] <webuser5224> The official ones had checksum and signature file with them
5429 [23:59:16] <babilen> Horachi: Just make sure you have "jessie" in there
5430 [23:59:30] <Horachi> babilen: yeah, they're all just the official debian jessie repos
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5432 [23:59:49] <iBattaglin> new iso online?
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