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4 [00:01:15] <danielh1234> wallbroken: how much RAM does your VM have?
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17 [00:04:16] <wallbroken> danielh1234 my PC has 6 gb ram
18 [00:04:38] <wallbroken> my vm has 1024 mb
19 [00:05:41] <pav> wallbroken: did the VM booted from CD?
20 [00:05:55] <pav> or just got kernel panic
21 [00:05:57] <wallbroken> pav, yes
22 [00:05:58] <wallbroken> replaced-url
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29 [00:08:07] <pav> wallbroken: looks like misconfigured VM. Did you choose defaul settings for VM?
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32 [00:09:43] <wallbroken> pav, yes
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36 [00:12:13] <pav> I'm not an VirtualBox expert, used it years ago. Have had no problems installing from netinst x64 on Hyper-V or VMware
37 [00:12:15] <danielh1234> wallbroken: defaults for 'Debian (x64)' in category 'Linux' right?
38 [00:12:28] <wallbroken> no
39 [00:12:31] <wallbroken> there isn't
40 [00:12:38] <wallbroken> only 32bit config
41 [00:12:41] <wallbroken> of all OS
42 [00:12:46] <pav> oh
43 [00:12:57] <pav> That is a problem
44 [00:12:57] <wallbroken> and the image is 32bit too
45 [00:13:11] <wallbroken> i386 image, right?
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49 [00:13:27] <danielh1234> didn't you write netinst x64?
50 [00:13:37] <wallbroken> no
51 [00:13:46] <wallbroken> oh yes
52 [00:13:52] <wallbroken> i'm dumb, sorry
53 [00:13:56] <pav> :)
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55 [00:14:04] <pav> we all are sometimes
56 [00:14:45] <danielh1234> ok, just a shot in the dark, but try toggling the PAE feature in System tab
57 [00:14:55] <pav> glad we help you wit this one wallbroken :)
58 [00:14:58] <mackaw> speaking of all this talk of vm's does anyone know how to get .ova to work in Virtual Machine Manager?
59 [00:15:02] <wallbroken> that's virtualbox 64 bit, config at 32 with guest image at 32 bit
60 [00:15:16] <danielh1234> which should work afaik
61 [00:16:08] <wallbroken> no luck :\
62 [00:16:26] <wallbroken> maybe it's my cpu fault
63 [00:16:29] <wallbroken> it's a "shit"
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66 [00:17:05] <pav> what model of cpu you have wallbroken ?
67 [00:17:31] <pav> maybe is just some BIOS option
68 [00:17:59] <wallbroken> replaced-url
69 [00:18:04] <danielh1234> as for cpu problems you could temporirlt try disabling everything in System => Acceleration, it will be very slow but could help track down the problem.
70 [00:18:07] <mackaw> yeah it could be bios
71 [00:18:31] <mackaw> some have a setting for enabling virtualization on the bios
72 [00:18:36] <wallbroken> acceleration tab is grayed out
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78 [00:20:52] <danielh1234> maybe check for Vt-x in BIOS
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81 [00:22:47] <pav> for some reasons Vt-x is sometimes disabled by default
82 [00:23:19] <wallbroken> my bios is a strange bios
83 [00:23:26] <wallbroken> is called "insydeh20"
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85 [00:23:40] <wallbroken> and has poor options to be enabled by the user
86 [00:23:49] <n-iCe> Ok Debian netinstall is installed, i used iwconfig to connect to my wifi
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88 [00:24:03] <n-iCe> But ping is not worked and iwconfigs show all ok
89 [00:24:17] <n-iCe> Any idea
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91 [00:24:29] <n-iCe> Working
92 [00:24:33] <mackaw> insydehh20?
93 [00:24:42] <teraflops> n-iCe: iwconfig does not handle ip addresses or routes
94 [00:25:11] <n-iCe> Dhclient does?
95 [00:25:12] <teraflops> n-iCe: it does not even manage wpa by itself
96 [00:25:28] <n-iCe> What can I use then
97 [00:25:57] <teraflops> n-iCe: whatever you want but definitely not iwconfig
98 [00:26:07] <n-iCe> Tell me what else
99 [00:26:10] <n-iCe> I need wifi
100 [00:26:15] <n-iCe> System shows like is connected
101 [00:26:19] <danielh1234> n-iCe: the easy way would be network-manager, provided you can install the packages (ethernet cable / CD)
102 [00:26:21] <n-iCe> Sent dhclient wlan0
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104 [00:26:35] <teraflops> n-iCe: replaced-url
105 [00:26:47] <n-iCe> I dont even have a desktop
106 [00:27:14] <n-iCe> Im in command line
107 [00:27:33] <danielh1234> n-iCe: there's nmtui-connect (NetworkManager)
108 [00:27:40] <n-iCe> What?
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110 [00:28:38] <teraflops> n-iCe: you perform the same effort reading here (irc) than reading the link I posted above
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113 [00:29:41] <n-iCe> Great help
114 [00:29:44] <n-iCe> I found it
115 [00:29:45] <n-iCe> Thanks
116 [00:29:48] <teraflops> np
117 [00:30:02] <n-iCe> Ifup wlan0
118 [00:30:07] <n-iCe> Was all I needed
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128 [00:36:08] <wallbroken> VT-x is enabled
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132 [00:38:20] <danielh1234> wallbroken: and was before as well I presume? What is your host OS? Windows? Some Linux?
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135 [00:39:11] <wallbroken> danielh1234, solved
136 [00:39:38] <wallbroken> i rebooted the laptop, and magically, acceleration tab appeared, and now is working good
137 [00:40:12] <danielh1234> Ok, good to hear :)
138 [00:40:13] <wallbroken> is easy to install guest additions?
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140 [00:41:09] <danielh1234> usually yes, just remember to install linux-headers-something
141 [00:41:54] <danielh1234> and maybe other packages that it complains about, or better yet try the guest additions from the Debian repos first
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144 [00:43:02] <wallbroken> they are installed by default?
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153 [00:45:05] <danielh1234> no, but there are packages available, try `apt install virtualbox-guest-dkms virtualbox-guest-utils virtualbox-guest-x11`
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155 [00:46:28] <kolnpole> how can i make two users use sound simultaneously on one sound put put , like i run game from one user and open yourtube via other user
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157 [00:47:05] <kolnpole> i usally use root and when i need to run games i run them via differnt user with gksu
158 [00:47:21] <missmbob> virtualbox is now outside of debian. replaced-url
159 [00:47:51] <kolnpole> if i run chrome u cant hear any thing cuz the other user by which i am running game is outputting sound
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161 [00:48:26] <danielh1234> kolnpole: are you using pulseaudio?
162 [00:48:32] <kolnpole> yes
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165 [00:50:57] <danielh1234> kolnpole: then you can either run it as a system daemon instead of per user or allow usage via module-native-protocol-{unix,tcp} see replaced-url
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168 [00:52:38] <danielh1234> kolnpole: btw it may be a good idea to run not only games as a non-root user, especially since you mentioned YouTube which probably implies a web browser.
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172 [00:53:25] <jasonwc> Why is Firefox on version 52.2 ESR in Jessie but still 45.9 ESR in Stretch?
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175 [00:54:22] <missmbob> stretch is frozen
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195 [01:01:51] <jasonwc> missmbob, So, it'll update after release?
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197 [01:02:59] <missmbob> it'll update. so close to release it might be before. but it will update
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199 [01:05:34] <jasonwc> I'm having an issue (documented here - replaced-url
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205 [01:07:44] <kolnpole> danielh1234, sure
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216 [01:10:54] <danielh1234> jasonwc: using i915 but sometimes my autoconfigured DP1-8 only wants to work with '--crtc 2' after a while. Does the primary monitor show up in xrandr at least when it's not visible in the GUI tools?
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221 [01:15:40] <jasonwc> danielh1234, That's a good point. I didn't think to check xandr before. This is what it outputs now (with both monitors working): replaced-url
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223 [01:16:14] <jasonwc> Both monitors are connected via DP but the one that doesn't come back is using G-Sync (on regardless of driver setting) and 144Hz refresh
224 [01:17:16] <jasonwc> Next time this occurs, I'll check xandr. It's somewhat annoying to troubleshoot because it has to go to sleep for a while. If I go to sleep and wake in a few minutes. I thought it had something to do with the monitor going to sleep but I don't think turning the monitor off helps.
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227 [01:18:52] <danielh1234> jasonwc: when it's dead again but still shows up in xrandr, try to turn it --off first, then for example --auto, and if that does not help retry with the --crtc option.
228 [01:18:53] <wallbroken> somebody of you knows pandaboard?
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230 [01:19:16] <wallbroken> maybe i'm the only one i have it
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232 [01:22:24] <jasonwc> danielh1234, Thanks, I will try that next time. I appreciate the advice.
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276 [01:42:42] <codebam> hey :)
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292 [01:47:19] <gry> codebam, greetings :)
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299 [01:50:52] <codebam> gry: how are you doing today?
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303 [01:51:49] <gry> codebam: I am fine, thank you; how about you?
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307 [01:52:17] <codebam> that's good. meh I've been better, but I'm alright I guess
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337 [02:06:16] <wallbroken> hey folks
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339 [02:06:33] <wallbroken> i need to fix a problem which causes not login into the shell
340 [02:06:45] <wallbroken> i tried to set it up an automatic ttty login
341 [02:07:04] <wallbroken> but maybe i have done something wrong
342 [02:07:35] <wallbroken> and now i'm stuck on "debian login: --noclear (automatic login)"
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381 [02:33:07] <nutron> My chromium can't click on links that come from a drop-down. So for example on ebay, where you click the sort order, I can click on the item all I like, and it won't actually trigger a click. It's only happening on this workstation. I have disabled all extensions, I have deleted all relevant directories in my home directory and there are no updates to the package that I'm aware of. This is an odd bug and was wondering if anyone else has run into it.
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389 [02:38:37] <ExecSlim> nutron, does the issue still occur when you are in a new incognito window?
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392 [02:39:19] <nutron> ExecSlim, yes indeed it does
393 [02:39:49] <ExecSlim> Does it work correctly in other browsers (e.g. Firefox?)
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405 [02:46:32] <nutron> ExecSlim yes it does.
406 [02:47:12] <ExecSlim> Hmm. One sec
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408 [02:47:38] <nutron> But it also works fine on other machines. It was a problem on my home workstation as well for a while and spontaneously got fixed.
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410 [02:48:14] <ExecSlim> Does it work on google chrome beta? replaced-url
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412 [02:48:40] <ExecSlim> Does your other workstation have the same operating system as the one that you are using right now?
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422 [02:52:49] <nutron> Debian Jessie on both, and both up to date.
423 [02:53:11] <nutron> I can install chrome from the deb sources, but is that necessary?
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425 [02:53:46] <ExecSlim> Hmm
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427 [02:54:03] <ExecSlim> Do you have logmein and/or teamviewer installed, or anything that would add an icon to a window's title bar?
428 [02:54:14] <ExecSlim> (excluding chrome extensions)
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433 [02:58:41] <ExecSlim> I'm thinking you could just dump all of the packages for both workstations, then diff them to see what's different on your machine (grep -v lib* though)
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449 [03:09:20] <wallbroken> how to show the list of installed packages with apt- ?
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454 [03:12:55] <nutron> Exec yeah, I'll do that.
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457 [03:13:50] <ExecSlim> apt list --installed wallbroken
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461 [03:17:43] <glick> hi
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463 [03:17:52] <glick> tomorrow stretch is released right?
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466 [03:18:32] <glick> yes? no?
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468 [03:19:54] <ExecSlim> glick, well, Jun 17th
469 [03:20:02] <ExecSlim> according to replaced-url
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471 [03:21:55] <glick> so basically i have to update my apt file? and change all instances of jessie to stretch and i should be good to go right?
472 [03:22:12] <glick> 'jessie' to 'stretch'
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474 [03:23:19] <ExecSlim> aptitude full-upgrade should be what you need glick according to replaced-url
475 [03:24:09] <glick> ExecSlim: well, im running stretch now
476 [03:24:18] <ExecSlim> Oh
477 [03:24:20] <glick> i commented out all the lines in apt except the first two lines
478 [03:24:28] <glick> and i changed the names from jessie to strech
479 [03:24:39] <ExecSlim> did you run aptitude update after you changed the names?
480 [03:24:49] <glick> indeed
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482 [03:25:13] <ExecSlim> what about aptitude upgrade?
483 [03:25:17] <glick> so basically tomorrow i uncomment out the other lines and changes the names and an apt update should do the trick? to track the new stable?
484 [03:25:24] <glick> yeah i did that too ExecSlim
485 [03:25:33] <ExecSlim> Sounds right but I haven't done that myself
486 [03:26:09] <ExecSlim> sounds like something aptitude dist-upgrade would do anyway
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509 [03:34:46] <wallbroken> plus i have a problem with automatic login
510 [03:34:48] <wallbroken> and systemd
511 [03:34:51] <wallbroken> can you help me?
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526 [03:44:24] <dvs> wallbroken, dpkg -l
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743 [06:14:38] <yokisuci> huh
744 [06:14:55] <jasonwc> Is there any source that documents the differences between the differences between Chromium on Debian and Google Chrome? My understanding is that Chrome adds support for proprietary codecs like H264 and AAC, includes DRM support, and includes a sandboxed Flash plugin. I wonder whether Chromium offers better privacy than Chrome, but from what I can find, Chrome offers the option to disable any telemetry.
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829 [07:01:17] <Lady_Aleena> Hello. So when is the release party? Will there be pictures?
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862 [07:22:20] <OxFEEDBACC> high! the installation medium (DVD) contains a whole bunch of software in its repository... not all of it is installed, but some packages are... i suppose there is some list of packages to install during the initial system installation... does anyone know off the top of their head where that may be?
863 [07:23:02] <themill> depends on what you select at the tasksel stage
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866 [07:25:12] <themill> (it's basically all Priority: required and important packages plus bootloader plus kernel plus anything your hardware seems to require plus anything required for your disks (lvm, luks etc) plus anything you select
867 [07:26:25] <themill> plus any dependencies of those things
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869 [07:27:35] <dunderproto> speaking of installs, is the netinstall the smallest "version" of debian possible?
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903 [07:41:53] <OxFEEDBACC> themill: i don't really remember that tasksel stage... still, having the /usr/share/tasksel/descs/debian-tasks.desc in a terminal, i see many tasks like albanian-desktp, which enhances "desktop", but the latter does not describe, what belongs to it...
904 [07:42:47] <OxFEEDBACC> i don't find anything in tasksel or tasksel-data, that could answer my question... :-/
905 [07:43:34] <OxFEEDBACC> okay, okay... find $PATH_INTO_REPO -iname "*task*" shows more... :-/
906 [07:44:04] <OxFEEDBACC> so, thanks for hinting me at tasksel...
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909 [07:45:28] <themill> dunderproto: all installers are identical
910 [07:46:18] <OxFEEDBACC> but no... that's a dead-end road :-/
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922 [07:56:31] <dunderproto> themill: Thanks. So, no matter which installer I pick, I can always just deselect the packages I *don't* want, if I understand correctly.
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924 [07:57:05] <themill> more precisely, you select what you do want
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934 [08:02:09] <OxFEEDBACC> okay... i think i got it... task-albanian enhances (refers to) task-desktop, which has a package of that name, and dependencies, like the x-server and something called desktop-base, probably a metapackage... let's look... that drags in more... and somewhere in the dependency chain there will be libreoffice...
935 [08:02:10] <OxFEEDBACC> nice...
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940 [08:03:18] <OxFEEDBACC> anyway, thanks again for pushing me there...
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949 [08:06:22] <jmcnaught> OxFEEDBACC: the tasksel command has options --list-tasks, --task-packages (though i think most tasks install a single metapackage). take a look at the tasksel man page. there are also many foo-tasks packages that add to what tasksel can do
950 [08:06:49] <darme> anyone else had problems with libreoffice in stretch?
951 [08:07:45] <darme> window does not open when i run libreoffice and thre is no stdout
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954 [08:09:32] <OxFEEDBACC> i had something similar with another app, when i forgot to pass -X to ssh... just no output, and even $? being 0... probably that was a different thing though...
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962 [08:12:23] <xochilpili> how can i remove a package with all their dependencies?
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965 [08:12:43] <xochilpili> i have installed kdbg and this installed kde but im using mate
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970 [08:14:22] <elliot007> xochilpili: just remove the packages and then run apt-get autoremove all the dependencies of that package with be removed
971 [08:14:39] <Fyr> guys, will Debian 9 be released in GMT+0?
972 [08:15:20] <xochilpili> apt-get remove --auto-remove kdbg << i did this and remove a lot of stuff but not kde
973 [08:15:22] <xochilpili> ...
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975 [08:16:27] <themill> xochilpili: what do you want it to remove? (be explicit)
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977 [08:16:46] <themill> Fyr: most of the people pulling levers are in UK/Europe
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980 [08:17:14] <Fyr> themill, so, GMT+1?
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983 [08:17:22] <xochilpili> themill, i wanted to remove kde, but i just type what u said, apt-get remove kde and then apt-get autoremove, and it's done
984 [08:17:31] <Fyr> I'd like to download it fheschen.
985 [08:18:15] <themill> xochilpili: there is no package called kde
986 [08:18:19] <xochilpili> but in the previous command i type: apt-get remove --auto-remove kdbg << removed a lot of libs, openjdk and other stuffs
987 [08:18:22] <Fyr> heiß, Direkt aus dem Ofen
988 [08:18:26] <themill> Fyr: a timezone is not a time
989 [08:18:26] <xochilpili> kde-runtime <<
990 [08:18:40] <themill> xochilpili: so explicitly remove that package as well
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993 [08:19:52] <elliot007> xochilpili: you can do apt-get remove kde* to remove all packages with kde in there name and then run apt-get autoremove to remove all the dependencies as well
994 [08:19:59] <xochilpili> is there a way to check healthy of packages?
995 [08:20:11] <themill> depends what you mean by healthy
996 [08:20:44] <xochilpili> when i typed: apt-get remove --auto-remove kdbg << remove a lot of stuffs, (as i said above) then i dont know if this will represent an issue later
997 [08:21:03] <themill> define 'healthy', 'issue'.
998 [08:21:06] <xochilpili> is there a way to check all packages dependencies, in order to avoid future issues?
999 [08:21:14] <themill> 'check' means what?
1000 [08:21:23] <themill> (also be careful with things like *... apt uses regexs not globs)
1001 [08:21:28] <themill> elliot007: ^^
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1008 [08:23:59] <Lady_Aleena> Hello. rsync can exclude a directory right?
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1012 [08:24:36] <slax0r> Lady_Aleena: what do you mean, include?
1013 [08:24:42] <slax0r> wow
1014 [08:24:46] <slax0r> early morning...
1015 [08:24:49] <slax0r> yes it can excldue it
1016 [08:24:52] <slax0r> exclude*
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1021 [08:29:05] <Lady_Aleena> slax0r, I do NOT want rsync to sync my .kde directory. I want it left alone.
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1029 [08:31:21] <jmcnaught> Lady_Aleena: are you syncing text files, or mostly large binary files?
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1031 [08:31:41] <Lady_Aleena> jmcnaught, I want to sync my entire $HOME except .kde.
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1034 [08:32:13] <slax0r> Lady_Aleena: --exclude=".kde" ?
1035 [08:32:50] <Lady_Aleena> slax0r, thanks you.
1036 [08:33:00] <Lady_Aleena> s/thanks/thank/; # head desks.
1037 [08:33:00] <jmcnaught> Lady_Aleena: replaced-url
1038 [08:33:08] <ahmed751995> excuse me , i installed torbrowser-launcher latest version and when i ran the launcher i got Download error : 404 Not found, any one know the solution are there problems in tor servers?
1039 [08:33:08] <OxFEEDBACC> or "mv $HOME/.kde /tmp; rsync $HOME $TARGET; mv /tmp/.kde $HOME"
1040 [08:33:36] <Lady_Aleena> jmcnaught, does it have anything to do with git?
1041 [08:34:17] <jmcnaught> yeah it's an extension to git, which isn't as hard as it looks and is really worth learning if you edit text files
1042 [08:34:30] * themill wouldn't use it for files that change
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1046 [08:35:49] <jmcnaught> well i would also say if you're actually backing stuff up and not syncing between two computers that a proper backup tool would be best to use instead
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1049 [08:36:25] <Lady_Aleena> jmcnaught, I don't have git installed.
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1051 [08:36:49] <themill> my experience with git-annex for things like videos, audio is good; for files I edit, my experience is not good
1052 [08:36:59] <Lady_Aleena> I rsync to my two other hard drives and a usb drive.
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1056 [08:37:54] <jmcnaught> Lady_Aleena: for the purpose of backing up your files?
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1058 [08:38:12] <Lady_Aleena> jmcnaught, yes.
1059 [08:38:43] <Lady_Aleena> I back up to hd2 (sdb), hd3 (sdc), and a usb.
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1063 [08:40:09] <jmcnaught> then i would use something like duply or obnam instead that can retain different versions of the backups
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1069 [08:41:11] <maferv> is there any file manager that has an integrated shell at the bottom?
1070 [08:41:20] <themill> dolphin
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1072 [08:41:45] <OxFEEDBACC> was just about to say konqueror... but yeah, dolphin...
1073 [08:41:55] <themill> or mc
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1075 [08:42:11] <Lady_Aleena> jmcnaught, different versions? I don't have svn install.
1076 [08:42:19] <maferv> does it? I didn't know, thanks, but I'm leaning on the light side, anything lighter? I currently use thunar
1077 [08:42:25] <maferv> what's mc themill?
1078 [08:42:40] <themill> a file manager. with an integrated shell at the bottom
1079 [08:42:51] <maferv> you mean midnight commander? isn't it ncurses only?
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1082 [08:43:16] <elliot007> ranger
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1087 [08:43:43] <tx> I guess
1088 [08:43:47] <tx> tmux + any cli-based file manager
1089 [08:43:47] <tx> :P
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1092 [08:44:08] <elliot007> tx: yep
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1095 [08:44:33] <jmcnaught> Lady_Aleena: duply for example does incremental backups where you could do say a complete backup once a week, and daily incremental backups that only backups the changes. then you can ask duply to restore a file/directory from two days, or three weeks ago (depending on how much history you decide to keep)
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1097 [08:44:49] <maferv> I'm looking for some thunar/pcmanfm kind of file manager with an integrated shell at the bottom. Dolphin is way too heavy for me
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1099 [08:45:09] <elliot007> but ranger is almost like vim just that it is a file manager
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1102 [08:46:13] <elliot007> maferv: i guess there are plugins for nautilus
1103 [08:46:23] <elliot007> replaced-url
1104 [08:46:54] <jmcnaught> nautilus has open in terminal in its context menu, which opens gnome-terminal
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1106 [08:47:21] <maferv> elliot007 are there any plugins for thunar/pcmanfm? I parted ways with nautilus since the redesign of gnome with gnome3
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1109 [08:47:47] <elliot007> I don't use gui file managers anymore, so not sure
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1111 [08:48:10] <maferv> what do you use elliot007 ?
1112 [08:48:15] <elliot007> ranger
1113 [08:48:18] <Lady_Aleena> jmcnaught, I can barely remember to back up things once every six months.
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1115 [08:48:46] <jmcnaught> Lady_Aleena: you can configure a cron job for it
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1121 [08:50:27] <Lady_Aleena> jmcnaught, I don't know, I've never played with cron.
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1123 [08:51:07] <elliot007> maferv: check this replaced-url
1124 [08:51:10] <jmcnaught> systemd timer units are another option if you don't alrady know cron
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1127 [08:52:18] <maferv> thanks jmcnaught
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1133 [08:55:00] <elliot007> i wonder why is everyone excited about release date and time, you can switch to stretch right now anyway
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1136 [08:56:30] <maferv> jmcnaught, this is what I'm already using, "open terminal here". I end up with too many terminals and it's not practical. It'd be so much better if they were integrated in the same window, in the same tab, each with its own terminal
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1143 [08:58:23] <elliot007> maferv: maybe you should start using terminal multiplexers now, like tmux
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1148 [09:00:08] <maferv> sometimes I use screen, but if I can, I just use tabs, elliot007
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1152 [09:00:50] <elliot007> few days ago i found a terminal emulator speficially designed for this purpose wait
1153 [09:02:37] <maferv> I use xfce4-terminal mostly
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1157 [09:03:44] <elliot007> yup check this out replaced-url
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1163 [09:06:13] <maferv> thanks
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1166 [09:07:22] <maferv> reminds me of tmux, a gnomish tmux
1167 [09:07:40] <elliot007> yep basically same thing as tmux just using gui
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1178 [09:09:54] <maferv> well thanks guys, I'll stick to thunar+terminal for the time being
1179 [09:10:02] <maferv> bye
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1219 [09:22:31] <martinus__> how do I install mysql back instead of mariadb in debian stretch ?
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1233 [09:26:22] <jelly> martinus__: just install mysql-server
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1237 [09:27:26] <martinus__> jelly, well, mysql-server package just embed mariadb right ?
1238 [09:28:04] <jelly> martinus__: "apt-cache show mysql-server" will give you an answer to that question
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1242 [09:28:31] <jelly> ,depends mysql-server --release stretch --arch amd64
1243 [09:28:32] <judd> Package mysql-server in stretch/amd64 -- depends: default-mysql-server.
1244 [09:28:39] <jelly> hmm.
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1247 [09:29:14] <martinus__> mysql-server is a transitional for mariadb
1248 [09:29:42] <jelly> ah, right, to facilitate release upgrade
1249 [09:30:09] <jelly> then you can't, not right now
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1252 [09:31:05] <jelly> I guess there will be a backport of mysql-server-5.7 (and mysql-server) once stretch is out
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1255 [09:31:26] <jelly> ,depends mysql-server --release sid --arch amd64
1256 [09:31:27] <judd> Package mysql-server in sid/amd64 -- depends: mysql-server-5.7.
1257 [09:31:54] <jelly> I probably ought to disable unstable repos on my desktop
1258 [09:32:45] <martinus__> So, I can't install JIRA on debian stretch quickly
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1260 [09:32:48] <martinus__> :(
1261 [09:32:51] <jelly> why not?
1262 [09:33:05] <martinus__> because I have an existing mysql dump to migrate on
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1265 [09:33:19] <martinus__> and JIRA doesn't officially support mariadb
1266 [09:33:23] <nix64bit> y is a crooked letter and you cant make it straight
1267 [09:33:24] <jelly> jire devs prefer postgres anyway, and jira has its own export/dump system
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1269 [09:34:00] <martinus__> jelly, when, JIRA doesn't support pgsql 9.6 :D
1270 [09:34:16] <jelly> martinus__: why are you using stretch then
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1272 [09:34:22] <martinus__> jelly, good question
1273 [09:34:24] <nix64bit> what is the verdict between maria and postgres?
1274 [09:34:38] <nix64bit> I used to me a mysql fan
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1276 [09:34:59] <shamoanjac> CSV
1277 [09:35:04] <jelly> mariadb is just a flavor of mysql
1278 [09:35:05] <shamoanjac> that's the real deal
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1280 [09:35:39] <martinus__> jelly, well, in the start I had to install a fresh server and I thought it was a good move in the long term to install a stretch
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1282 [09:37:05] <jelly> maybe your good move ought to take support matrix into account if you care about keeping within it
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1284 [09:37:49] <jelly> Linux pg-atlassian-prod 3.16.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.16.36-1+deb8u2 (2016-10-19) x86_64 GNU/Linux # jessie and postgres 9.4 for our instances
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1287 [09:39:01] <jelly> but really jira doesn't use any fancy database features, if mariadb is not supported, it's probably because they didn't care to test it yet
1288 [09:39:06] <nix64bit> I am fully postgres now
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1293 [09:40:14] <jelly> martinus__: you can also choose to use packages from mysql.com if you need it
1294 [09:40:39] <martinus__> jelly, or I can stick with mariadb against per JIRA recommendation
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1296 [09:41:22] <jelly> and suffer grave consequences!!!1one
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1298 [09:42:20] <nix64bit> django has some postgres specific modules to do with using serialized data
1299 [09:42:47] <jelly> or ask in #atlassian about more anecdotal experience running jira on unsupported versions of sql db
1300 [09:43:03] <nix64bit> so ja go with what works and try and keep your code decoupled as much as possible
1301 [09:43:05] <martinus__> jelly, what I like the most is this : replaced-url
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1306 [09:44:05] <jelly> ask them what they run that instance on, then :-)
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1308 [09:45:30] <martinus__> jelly, that's a good idea
1309 [09:46:29] <Haohmaru> i've installed 32bit debian 8.8 onto a flash stick on a laptop, and now i plug it into another laptop, with slightly different hardware, the LAN doesn't work.. the ethernet card is a RTL8101 ... do i need to download a driver from synaptic?
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1311 [09:47:12] <Haohmaru> or could it be an actual hardware issue.. the ethernet port on this thing has no LEDs and it seems as if the port wiggles a bit
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1326 [09:55:03] <NiLon> leds off usually just means the device is off, could be lack of driver or being disabled. And the wiggle thing also is rather normal, it's usually fault of cable connector anyway
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1329 [09:57:37] <Haohmaru> NiLon i mean that the LAN port on this laptop physically doesn't have LEDs, so i can't tell if it "sees" that the cable is plugged
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1332 [10:00:06] <jkliemann> Haohmaru: you can try ethtool, it shows if a link is detected and what standard has been negotiated
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1336 [10:00:21] <Haohmaru> but my question is more like.. does the debian installation by default come with many drivers installed, or does it "look" at your specific hardware during the installation and only install "some" drivers, enough to run on that
1337 [10:01:33] <jkliemann> I think it gives you both options (install generic drivers or install device specific drivers)
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1339 [10:02:00] <Haohmaru> jkliemann i've seen this before, but this installation didn't ask any questions
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1341 [10:02:12] <Haohmaru> it was 32bit debian live
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1345 [10:02:27] <Haohmaru> i can tell you the exact iso filename, if that helps
1346 [10:03:35] <Haohmaru> "debian-live-8.8.0-i386-lxde-desktop.iso"
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1348 [10:06:22] <jkliemann> Hmm, if it didn't ask I think it would probably install all drivers (since it came from a live system that is usually meant to run on multiple different hardware configurations)
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1362 [10:11:46] <Haohmaru> crap, did i miss something?
1363 [10:13:28] <Fyr> no
1364 [10:13:33] <Haohmaru> k
1365 [10:14:00] <Fyr> >>jkliemann: Hmm, if it didn't ask I think it would probably install all drivers (since it came from a live system that is usually meant to run on multiple different hardware configurations)
1366 [10:14:00] <Fyr> is the last message
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1368 [10:15:10] <Haohmaru> oh
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1370 [10:15:23] <Haohmaru> okay, so then it must be a hardware issue :/
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1378 [10:18:24] <jkliemann> what exactly is your issue?
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1389 [10:25:53] <Haohmaru> jkliemann ifconfig doesn't even list eth0
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1394 [10:28:42] <jkliemann> Haohmaru thats a driver problem I think, what does lspci say? Does it find the ethernet device?
1395 [10:29:14] <Haohmaru> yes.. it says it's a realtek fast ethernet blahblah RTL8101
1396 [10:30:01] <Haohmaru> and i tried running the live image (because i still have it around) on this, it managed to get the LAN working during the live
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1398 [10:30:29] <Haohmaru> but not from the first time
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1404 [10:32:51] <jkliemann> have you installed firmware-realtek?
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1406 [10:33:06] <Haohmaru> i haven't done anything manually yet
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1408 [10:33:28] <Haohmaru> i looked for "realtek" in synaptic, but it didn't show "firmware" anything
1409 [10:33:32] <Haohmaru> only a few things
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1412 [10:35:31] <jkliemann> have you enabled the non-free repositories?
1413 [10:35:32] <jkliemann> replaced-url
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1416 [10:36:08] <Haohmaru> jkliemann the installation didn't ask me pretty much any questions
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1422 [10:37:57] <jkliemann> Well then go into /etc/apt/sources.list and add contrib (if you want, but not required for this) and non-free (required for firmware-realtek) to the repository lines after main (except security and backports)
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1424 [10:38:21] <jkliemann> then run apt update and then it should be available (maybe you also need to refresh synaptic)
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1452 [10:45:36] <Haohmaru> okay.. i'll try that when i can
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1486 [11:07:53] <Aebian> that arkward blueish color is set by VIM right? replaced-url
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1499 [11:15:53] <jkliemann> Aebian: try :set termguicolors in vim
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1508 [11:19:21] <Aebian> jkliemann: I just set colorscheme desert that worked also
1509 [11:19:26] <Aebian> but thx
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1514 [11:21:21] <mohammad-ghasemi> I downloaded a distro iso file using deluge do I need to check for checksum errors?
1515 [11:21:52] <sleepyhead> mohammad-ghasemi: you should just to make sure
1516 [11:22:11] <sleepyhead> mohammad-ghasemi: you should check that the gpg sigs checkout
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1518 [11:22:41] <sleepyhead> mohammad-ghasemi: distro sites have been hacked (linux mint) in the past but gpg sigs can't be faked
1519 [11:24:00] <mohammad-ghasemi> sleepyhead: I've heard that torrent checks with some sort of hash mechanism. But I didn't think about hacks. Thank you
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1578 [11:52:52] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
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1651 [12:26:39] <xochilpili> hi all
1652 [12:27:00] <gry> greetings
1653 [12:27:15] <xochilpili> i have a fresh install, but using vim or some other editor, ctrl+home is not working
1654 [12:27:24] <xochilpili> also ctrl-end
1655 [12:28:17] <Bliepo> Hello, I cannot login to my server running ProFTPD anymore. I am using the latest version of WinSCP to connect. I tried running the daemon from the comand line and enabling 'no-daemon' and set debug level to 10 (the max), checked the logs, but I still can't find any errors :-(
1656 [12:28:52] <Bliepo> Output of running ProFTPD with debug set to 10: replaced-url
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1658 [12:29:15] <Bliepo> The ProFTPD config file: replaced-url
1659 [12:29:29] <Bliepo> And the TLS config file: replaced-url
1660 [12:30:01] <gry> xochilpili, what terminal?
1661 [12:30:11] <xochilpili> gry, bash
1662 [12:30:18] <gry> xochilpili, if you open bash or similar , does 'home' or 'end' work there?
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1665 [12:31:17] <xochilpili> gry, without ctrl key, yes
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1668 [12:31:34] <Bliepo> If you want to move to the beginning of the file, type gg
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1670 [12:31:58] <xand> Bliepo: why don't use you sftp instead
1671 [12:32:01] <xand> *you use
1672 [12:32:20] <Bliepo> No reason in particular
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1674 [12:32:40] <xand> Bliepo: you should consider that. FTP is insecure and suffers from a number of other issues.
1675 [12:32:54] <xand> winscp does sftp and the server is running by default assuming you have ssh server.
1676 [12:33:00] <Bliepo> xand: if I use TLS, there shouldn't be any issues
1677 [12:33:05] <xand> there are.
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1680 [12:33:19] <Bliepo> I encrypt both channels?
1681 [12:33:34] <xand> there are problems with FTP other than encryption :)
1682 [12:33:54] <Bliepo> Could you point me to more information on this?
1683 [12:34:02] <missmbob> !ftp must die
1684 [12:34:03] <dpkg> FTP MUST DIE! replaced-url
1685 [12:34:22] <missmbob> greycat's wiki on wooledge is nice
1686 [12:34:34] <xand> yeah that page
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1688 [12:35:14] * Bliepo is reading with great interest
1689 [12:35:44] <missmbob> you might want to wait about 3 hours for the author to be in here, then ;)
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1692 [12:36:31] <missmbob> i'm off to bed. good luck
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1694 [12:38:09] <Bliepo> Thanks!
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1758 [13:07:50] <Aebian> SCP and HTTP :] f*ck FTP :D
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1789 [13:23:07] <JuniusBrutus> So, will Debian 9 be released tomorrow *for certain*?
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1830 [13:38:05] <petn-randall> JuniusBrutus: Yes, unless there are any show-stoppers found in the process.
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1883 [14:00:02] <Throbber> debian linux 01
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1889 [14:03:36] <jelly> JuniusBrutus: even then, all aspects of a release take 1-2 days to settle -- repos, iso images, torrents...
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1891 [14:04:03] <JuniusBrutus> jelly, yeah, I kinda get the idea
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1926 [14:12:46] <tw> What should we use instead of anonymous ftp? http, tftp, other?
1927 [14:12:57] <Aebian> http
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1930 [14:19:19] <Stummi> tw, whats your goal? Just publishing some files for others? Go with http
1931 [14:19:25] <tw> if you've ever written a parser for http or soap, you might disagree. I'd give you http2 w/ prior (viz, no upgrade), but parsing http is error prone.
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1933 [14:19:39] <tw> Anonymous file distribution of media.
1934 [14:19:44] <tw> I'm replying to "ftpmustdie"
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1936 [14:20:01] <Stummi> tw, the good thing about http is, *every single programming language* has very powerful and feature complete implementations of both ends of HTTP ready to use
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1939 [14:20:22] <Stummi> well, every notable at least
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1941 [14:20:31] <tw> Except the internet of s*@&
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1946 [14:20:54] <tw> Well, mbed has one.
1947 [14:20:55] <BlackOuT> chan
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1954 [14:23:25] <tw> I'll give it to you though, http is a better choice 95% of the time.
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1957 [14:23:47] <tw> But it could be better.
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1965 [14:27:47] <petn-randall> tw: sftp
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1967 [14:29:01] <jelly> sftp for uploads, yes. Download only? http(s)
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1995 [14:39:02] <teraflops> webdav is fine if you want uploads too
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2000 [14:40:22] <Halcyforn> hello how work debian with uefi and windows 10. 5 live cd/dvd cant run on my laptop
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2004 [14:41:41] <tx> use a USB stick
2005 [14:41:53] <Halcyforn> what a difference
2006 [14:41:54] <zykotick9> Halcyforn: the debian-LIVE images do NOT support uefi! use netinst/cd1/dvd1 instead.
2007 [14:42:22] <Halcyforn> zykotick why i should install not test
2008 [14:42:30] <tx> Aren't there alternate builds for live and EFI?
2009 [14:42:44] <teraflops> no idea
2010 [14:42:45] <tx> Perhaps I am thinking of something else. Either way, a bit of a shame really.
2011 [14:43:05] <Halcyforn> all run linxu start loading and all stop on blank screen
2012 [14:43:09] <Halcyforn> all 5 distros
2013 [14:43:13] <Halcyforn> what i test
2014 [14:43:21] <Halcyforn> now maybe debian run on clevo
2015 [14:43:41] <tw> they start loading as in you get the grub boot screen and then it blanks your display?
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2017 [14:43:48] <tx> take a pic
2018 [14:43:52] <tw> If that is the case, it is not a uefi problem.
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2020 [14:44:47] <Halcyforn> the best run i get on suse .
2021 [14:45:04] <Halcyforn> i get more then blank screen after pres run live distro
2022 [14:45:10] <zykotick9> tw: ahhh - in addition to uefi, there may be another issue(s) - but debian-Live doesn't support uefi systems <- so it's NEVER going to work with the debian image...
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2026 [14:45:53] <Halcyforn> can configuration of my laptop be a problem on live cd/dvd ?
2027 [14:46:03] <zykotick9> ^ NEVER in the context of current Debian-Live images - i imagine it will one day be supported.
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2031 [14:46:50] <Aebian> do I need some special command for changing the sensible editor? I tried this: replaced-url
2032 [14:46:52] <missmbob> there's no one actively in charge of live...so not soon
2033 [14:47:00] <Halcyforn> uefi run is not problem becase bios can start this boot easy but any distro dont work
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2036 [14:47:54] <onurhann> what is the model of the computer? I do not think so but maybe hardware is not supported?
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2038 [14:48:07] <tremolo> Aebian: What does `which nano` get you?
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2040 [14:48:31] <Aebian> tremolo: nothing because its not installed :P
2041 [14:48:40] <Aebian> nano not found
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2044 [14:49:09] <Aebian> which in my case is a expected behavior
2045 [14:49:12] <tx> Aebian: uh
2046 [14:49:17] <tremolo> Right
2047 [14:49:27] <Halcyforn> i can give you only few spec. NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1060 G-sync Technology, Intel Core i7-6700HQ, 16GB DDR4 2133 MHz CL15, Hitachi Travelstar 7K1000 1 TB 7200rpm, M.2 500GB SSD
2048 [14:49:37] <tx> did you have nano installed at some point?
2049 [14:49:43] <Halcyforn> and ips screen have g syns tech
2050 [14:49:50] <tx> it looks like sensible-editor did, at some point, go to nano
2051 [14:49:53] <Aebian> I had once but removed it as I don't need it
2052 [14:50:05] <tx> and it didn't get removed during post uninstall
2053 [14:50:13] <onurhann> these are common hardware, i do not see why they would cause a problem
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2056 [14:50:24] <Aebian> and tried to change the editor with sudo update-alternatives --config editor
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2058 [14:50:35] <Aebian> which worked but just not for the sensible
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2060 [14:50:42] <tx> hmm
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2062 [14:50:55] <onurhann> maybe there is a problem with the iso images, try to test them in virtual machines see if they will boot up?
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2064 [14:51:04] <tx> I would probably unlink whatever it is linked to just now
2065 [14:51:09] <tx> `which sensible-editor`
2066 [14:51:13] <Halcyforn> Clevo P670RP6-G
2067 [14:51:18] <tx> then cd to the directory that is in, and ls -la to see what it points to
2068 [14:51:32] <tx> or just ls the file
2069 [14:51:39] <Halcyforn> this is laptop and have intel graphic
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2071 [14:51:45] <tremolo> or `ls -ls $(which sensible-editor)`
2072 [14:51:53] <tremolo> s/-ls/-la/
2073 [14:52:02] <tx> :)
2074 [14:52:03] <tx> yes
2075 [14:52:19] <onurhann> forget the hardware, test iso images with virtual machines
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2077 [14:52:27] <tremolo> though I suppose the a isn't really needed
2078 [14:52:30] <onurhann> if they still fail the problem is with the iso images
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2080 [14:52:32] <Aebian> well /usr/bin/sensible-editor points to vim because if I just enter it into the terminal I get the vim about page
2081 [14:52:42] <Aebian> weird
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2083 [14:52:58] <tx> Aebian: try what you did in the screenshot again
2084 [14:53:00] <tx> see if you can reproduce
2085 [14:53:34] <Aebian> maybe the crontab thingy is pointing to nano
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2087 [14:53:45] <Aebian> because I can reproduce it
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2091 [14:55:08] <Aebian> because ectab is just alias ectab="sudo crontab -e -u"
2092 [14:55:27] <Aebian> so crontab is called
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2096 [14:55:55] <Halcyforn> last thing because 2 years ago i have small problem with debian installer always want cd when i use stick on older laptop
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2100 [14:56:18] <tremolo> "The -e option is used to edit the current crontab using the editor specified by the VISUAL or EDITOR environment variables. After you exit from the editor, the modified crontab will be installed automatically. If neither of the environment variables is defined, then the default editor /usr/bin/editor is used"
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2102 [14:56:29] <missmbob> Halcyforn: how are you copying iso to usb?
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2104 [14:56:52] <tremolo> Aebian: Do you have either of those variables set? What does /usr/bin/editor point to?
2105 [14:57:00] <Halcyforn> windows yumi ?
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2111 [14:57:27] <missmbob> !yumi
2112 [14:57:27] <dpkg> well, yumi is a tool that can make bootable usb device. It is not recommended for use with Debian CD/DVD images, as it mangles the installer in cruel and unusual ways, resulting in hard to debug problems. Ask me about <hybrid images>, <usb install>, <win32diskimager>
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2115 [14:57:45] <missmbob> Halcyforn: that's why
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2117 [14:58:07] <Aebian> tremolo: command is in the bottom left corner: replaced-url
2118 [14:58:23] <Aebian> so I could try if export EDITOR=vim will work
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2124 [14:59:59] <tremolo> So /usr/bin/editor is vim. If either of those variables is set to nano, it would override.
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2134 [15:02:26] <Halcyforn> missmbob ok if yumi is bad tell me how to make working usb stick on windows . in guide on debian site is only how to do this on linux: " dd if=<plik> of=<urządzenie> bs=4M; sync"
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2137 [15:02:54] <Aebian> tremolo: found the issue. In /root/.selected_editor is nano set
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2140 [15:03:11] <Aebian> and since sudo runs stuff as root bingo
2141 [15:03:18] <missmbob> Halcyforn: the guide says something else. so does the message i had the bot sent you. win32diskimager
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2143 [15:03:25] <tremolo> Halcyforn: win32diskimager is pretty usable.
2144 [15:03:33] <tremolo> Aebian: Awesome
2145 [15:03:34] <Halcyforn> oh no
2146 [15:03:39] <Halcyforn> this shit
2147 [15:03:59] <missmbob> the shit that works, yes
2148 [15:04:04] <Halcyforn> 2 day i recovery usb stick after mint
2149 [15:04:09] <Halcyforn> 2000 partitions
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2152 [15:04:37] <teraflops> what are you talking about?
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2158 [15:05:45] <Halcyforn> last time when i use this win32 shit he create 2000 maybe less partitions when i try do linux mint live stick
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2164 [15:06:13] <teraflops> yeah maybe a bit less partitions…
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2167 [15:06:42] <Halcyforn> idk windows disk manager get lag when see how many partitions is there
2168 [15:07:00] <Halcyforn> 16 gb stick full of small partitions
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2171 [15:07:44] <tremolo> win32diskimager should just write out what's in the image. Maybe there was something off about that Mint image?
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2174 [15:08:06] <teraflops> Halcyforn: this is debian not mint, 2 I dont know how did you create that usb stick, it works for everyone else, and why do you care about the number of partitions is a mystery for me
2175 [15:08:48] <missmbob> Halcyforn: btw with win32diskimager (says so on the install guide), if you dont see the debian iso rename the extension to img
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2187 [15:11:20] <mint> lol
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2191 [15:12:04] <xiaoji> hello, every friends!
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2193 [15:12:21] <tremolo> Hi
2194 [15:12:22] <teraflops> tremolo: since win32diskimager copies the raw img to the usb device and subsequently it erases whatever it was there before I dont get what you mean
2195 [15:12:24] <mint> Hi.
2196 [15:12:30] <mint> I dont undestand.
2197 [15:12:32] <SuperSeriousCat> Hi, not-friend
2198 [15:12:33] <mint> sorry.
2199 [15:13:00] <tremolo> teraflops: Because it does exactly that, any partitions it created must have been present in the image it copied.
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2203 [15:14:04] <xiaoji> I want to know which time debian 9 can be download?
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2205 [15:14:09] <teraflops> mint: if you're going to make a joke every time anyone says mint, it's ok, if it annoys you, deal with it or change your nick
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2207 [15:14:22] <missmbob> xiaoji: when it's ready
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2209 [15:14:48] <xiaoji> I heart that 2017-6-17
2210 [15:14:52] <mint> ah, ok. kkkkkkkk
2211 [15:14:55] <marrenarre> xiaoji: See the topic.
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2213 [15:15:21] <missmbob> xiaoji: it's "maybe" 6-17. and that doesnt even tell you a time to download
2214 [15:15:46] <xiaoji> is America time or pacific time?
2215 [15:15:51] <teraflops> ಠ_ಠ
2216 [15:15:52] <xochilpili> why when im trying to execute a ELF LSB executable i got this: bash: ./sample_one: No such file or directory ???
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2218 [15:16:29] <xochilpili> file sample_one: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked, interpreter /lib/ld-linux.so.2, for GNU/Linux 2.6.15, BuildID[sha1]=a01d6d16a59c7f0d7ec00ab5454eed2eb22bd20d, not stripped
2219 [15:16:36] <missmbob> xochilpili: you installed 64-bit but didnt enable 32-bit with multiarch?
2220 [15:16:48] <xiaoji> if is pacific time, 3 hours later I can download the image file of debian 9
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2223 [15:17:36] <xochilpili> uname -a : Linux host 3.16.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.16.43-2 (2017-04-30) x86_64 GNU/Linux
2224 [15:17:41] <xochilpili> missmbob, ^
2225 [15:17:53] <themill> xiaoji: it is when it is ready
2226 [15:17:55] <missmbob> xochilpili: so, yeah. enable 32-bit with multiarch
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2228 [15:18:09] <xochilpili> and to enable 32-bits?
2229 [15:18:18] <missmbob> !multiarch howto
2230 [15:18:18] <dpkg> methinks multiarch howto is replaced-url
2231 [15:18:24] <xochilpili> thanks
2232 [15:18:25] <themill> xiaoji: if you install it today it is no different to if you install it tomorrow
2233 [15:18:29] <marrenarre> xiaoji: I think the ETA is only down to which day; they don’t mean at 00.00.
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2235 [15:19:05] <missmbob> they're not even hard set on the day. thus, when it's ready
2236 [15:19:09] <xiaoji> I cant wait
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2239 [15:19:30] <marrenarre> xiaoji: Why not?
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2241 [15:19:55] <xochilpili> missmbob, --add-architecture x86 or i386 ??
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2243 [15:20:06] <xiaoji> too
2244 [15:20:06] <xiaoji> Long-awaited
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2246 [15:20:23] <marrenarre> Are you just saying that you are excited?
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2249 [15:20:59] <missmbob> xochilpili: i386
2250 [15:21:00] <xiaoji> 期待已久. you can understand.
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2252 [15:21:16] <marrenarre> xiaoji: I cannot understand that.
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2254 [15:21:42] <ber532k> Does it make much of a difference? You can already debootstrap stretch -- and that's probably really just the same you get via the released iso
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2256 [15:21:57] <themill> Tomorrow is about making ISO images, nothing more.
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2259 [15:22:29] <petn-randall> Well, and also declaring it released and cracking a cold one ;)
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2261 [15:22:46] <xiaoji> for example. I will give you 1 billion $ at 2016-10-10 and now time is 2016-10-09.期待已久
2262 [15:23:14] <marrenarre> xiaoji: Why are you placing those non-English letters there?
2263 [15:23:16] <themill> there will be precisely zero package changes between what is in stretch today and stretch tomorrow. There will be one additional signature on Release.gpg and one symlink changed.
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2268 [15:24:03] <xochilpili> missmbob, after doing apt-get update, then i have to: apt-get install links:i386 ?
2269 [15:24:03] <xiaoji> i cant use english Expression Integrally
2270 [15:24:13] <teraflops> this conversation is pointless
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2272 [15:24:24] <Guest22234> Is there command for debian pastebin? like fedora has fpaste that uploads things to fedora's pastebin?
2273 [15:24:31] <petn-randall> !pastebinit
2274 [15:24:31] <dpkg> A command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "aptitude install pastebinit; pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list"; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg | pastebinit". See also <pastebinit config>, <nopaste>.
2275 [15:24:32] <xochilpili> i just wanted to run that 32bits ELF's
2276 [15:24:34] <petn-randall> Guest22234: ^^^
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2282 [15:25:21] <xiaoji> i use google translate to talk
2283 [15:25:34] <mint> i too
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2287 [15:25:55] <mint> i also
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2289 [15:26:06] <mint> xiao whats your lenguage?
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2292 [15:26:13] <xiaoji> chinese
2293 [15:26:15] <xochilpili> missmbob, done, thanks!
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2295 [15:26:17] <petn-randall> xiaoji: What's your native language?
2296 [15:26:20] <mint> lol
2297 [15:26:25] <mint> cool
2298 [15:26:27] <petn-randall> !cn
2299 [15:26:27] <dpkg> 如果您想要以中文得到 Debian 相關的協助，請加入 irc.debian.org 或 irc.oftc.net 上的 #dot 頻道，連線與加入頻道的方法請參閱 IRC 程式之相關說明，或於網路上搜尋。謝謝您的合作！
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2301 [15:26:40] <danielh1234> petn-randall: nice
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2303 [15:26:47] <petn-randall> xiaoji: You might find other people in this channel, that also speak mandarin. ^^^
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2309 [15:27:31] <mint> speak esperanto
2310 [15:27:54] <mutante> speak Lojban
2311 [15:28:08] <xiaoji> debian-cn no people
2312 [15:28:25] <missmbob> OFTC not freenode
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2314 [15:28:33] <petn-randall> xiaoji: Are you sure you connected from the right IRC network?
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2316 [15:28:41] <danielh1234> xiaoji: replaced-url
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2319 [15:29:25] <teraflops> xiaoji: yeah #debian at OFTC is a great place for sharing your feelings about the iso not ready
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2325 [15:30:57] <Aebian> haha
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2429 [16:07:22] <DrBunsen> Hello, is there a program to make a remote desktop connection to behave the same way as mouse capture and full screen works in virtualbox? The machine is on the same network so bandwidth and latency shouldn't be an issue. My websearching skills are not advanced enough to find this.
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2442 [16:10:36] <donofrio> what is it called when an application is able to have it's position and such stored at logout?
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2444 [16:11:29] <danielh1234> DrBunsen: I'm not sure I fully understand your question, especially "to behave the same way as mouse capture and full screen works in virtualbox". But there is xrdp which can also be installed on VMs running in VirtualBox.
2445 [16:12:24] <DrBunsen> danielh1234: I just want to control a remote computer like it was local, I think x forwarding should do the trick
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2454 [16:16:08] <danielh1234> DrBunsen: Ok, so what kind of program are you still looking for?
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2459 [16:17:32] <DrBunsen> I just want to connect to a box with a strong videocard to run some graphic applications.
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2464 [16:18:34] <DrBunsen> and I want to load the screen from that box into my current screen.
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2466 [16:19:20] <frosty> does it work to upgrade to stretch right now?
2467 [16:19:47] <danielh1234> DrBunsen: as in OpenGL support, smooth video and 60+fps / high resolutions? Or just for OpenCL / CUDA (rendering and such)?
2468 [16:20:15] <frosty> from /etc/apt/sources.list to change from jessie to stretch
2469 [16:20:30] <DrBunsen> danielh1234: 60 fps would be best, if I just want to render I will do it through cli I suppose ;)
2470 [16:21:06] <danielh1234> DrBunsen: Is your machine with the powerful GPU a VM or another physical machine on your network?
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2474 [16:21:42] <DrBunsen> danielh1234: another machine, I used the virtualbox example in the hopes to make it clear what I was looking for.
2475 [16:22:38] <new-nick> hi there, just a quick question. I learnt command line history are stored in .bashrc history. Wonder does it store all commands output into a file ?
2476 [16:23:18] <petn-randall> new-nick: The history is saved in ~/.bash_history. ~/.bashrc is your local bash config. Output is not saved.
2477 [16:23:20] <new-nick> Basically, I want to record all the commands out put to file but not wish to give -o filename every time
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2479 [16:23:58] <new-nick> petn-randall: any way to save all the output or activities, automatically?
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2481 [16:24:41] <SwedeMike> new-nick: permanently, or for a shorter duration? replaced-url
2482 [16:24:56] <SwedeMike> new-nick: but it's not good for permanently recording all output.
2483 [16:24:56] <danielh1234> DrBunsen: There's VirtualGL, but I have not used it in the way you described. Arch Wiki (sorry :) has a nice overview replaced-url
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2487 [16:26:12] <new-nick> temporarily. I have bad practice to give command without realising the output. With record output, I can review the command/output.
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2490 [16:26:58] <DrBunsen> danielh1234: Hmm, that looks interesting, but that doesn't make me able to run Steam on the other box and send the rendering to my current box(I do not want to install non-free packages on my main machine).
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2496 [16:28:09] <danielh1234> DrBunsen: As far as I understand it that's exactly what it does. Which part do you believe not to work that way?
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2498 [16:29:18] <DrBunsen> danielh1234: I thought it would send the OpenGL calls to the box and returns them. That implies that I need steam on my main machine right?
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2507 [16:32:01] <danielh1234> DrBunsen: The diagram under "Using VirtualGL with X11 forwarding" shows a server (your powerful PC) running both the application (Steam / game) and the OpenGL rendering. You should only need an X server and VirtualGL client on your main (pun intended) machine.
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2512 [16:34:57] <DrBunsen> danielh1234: Ahh, silly me, I thought the left one was the client...... But great that I need x11 forwarding, currently trying that out.
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2517 [16:36:38] <danielh1234> DrBunsen: Depending on your reasons not to install non-free software keep in mind that allowing untrusted code to access to your X server is very bad security-wise.
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2525 [16:40:20] <DrBunsen> danielh1234: That is true, but I will probably run it once, and steam is probably not too bad to run.
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2534 [16:43:52] <ber532k> new-nick: did you try script?
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2542 [16:45:16] <new-nick> What is script. Please give search term to know about script
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2546 [16:46:00] <new-nick> Just looking into asciinema. Not really something I want.
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2549 [16:47:17] <ber532k> try `man script`
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2551 [16:47:45] <ber532k> it's just a small programm that logs everything that happens in the terminal to a text file
2552 [16:47:48] <Antix_> Hi
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2555 [16:49:26] <ber532k> replaced-url
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2562 [16:51:05] <likcoras> Hi, I'm using the 'pass' password manager, it comes with a 'passmenu' script that auto-types the passwords for me. However, when the password is something like eg. `"password"blah` it types `passwordblah`. I think there was a bug report with a workaround, but I can't seem to find it.
2563 [16:51:12] <new-nick> ber532k: awesome man! Just what I wanted. Simply super. A native application and get the job done
2564 [16:51:19] <new-nick> ber532k: thank you
2565 [16:52:13] <likcoras> The actual lin in the script that does the typing is `xdotool - <<<"type --clearmodifiers -- $(pass show "$password" | head -n 1)"`, how would I fix this so it handles passwords with all sorts of special characters?
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2567 [16:52:16] <ber532k> welcome
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2575 [16:54:08] <new-nick> SwedeMike: thank you too, Asciinema is not exactly useful to record and view.
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2578 [16:55:55] <danielh1234> lindbergio: try `xdotool type --clearmodifiers -- "$(pass show "$password" | head -n 1)"` (untested)
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2581 [16:56:19] <greycat> likcoras: that may be a bit too specialized for #debian. What is "xdotool" and why is the script passing a line with "type" and so on to it on stdin?
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2583 [16:56:37] <danielh1234> likcoras: ^, sorry lindbergio
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2586 [16:57:39] <likcoras> greycat: xdotool is used to simulate typing, from what I can tell, so it takes the password from 'pass' and types it to whatever I'm focused on.
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2592 [16:58:08] <likcoras> danielh1234: will try, one sec.
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2594 [16:58:31] <greycat> likcoras: it's literally receiving the line "type ----clearmodifiers -- yourpassword" on stdin
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2596 [16:58:39] <danielh1234> likcoras: greycat is right tough, passing it via - <<< seems overly complicated unless we are missing something from the unknown context.
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2598 [16:59:26] <likcoras> replaced-url
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2600 [17:01:34] <greycat> have you tried: xdotool type --clearmodifiers "$(pass show "$password" | head -n 1)"
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2603 [17:01:57] <likcoras> danielh1234: thanks, yours seems to be working. But can you see any reason it's done the way it is done in the git? I'm just worried that they did it that way because of some edge case or something.
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2607 [17:02:28] <likcoras> greycat: yes, just tried it, seems to be working with the previously problematic one.
2608 [17:02:29] <greycat> I'm basing that on replaced-url
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2633 [17:09:30] <new-nick> ber532k: just one question. I find Script save the output the file after exiting. Some times, with power failure, it would be better if the outputs saved as "happening" rather than saved when exited.
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2635 [17:10:22] <new-nick> option "-f, --flush run flush after each write" is it something to use in order to save the output on regular basis ?
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2638 [17:10:51] <greycat> Sounds like it.
2639 [17:11:05] <greycat> Try It And See
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2642 [17:11:52] <new-nick> its working. recording the output as giving the commands/output
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2645 [17:12:26] <danielh1234> likcoras: not really, the git link you posted just got rid of the subshell with head and reads via pipe which should not make a difference for typical password sizes. As for the original version you gave I'm not even sure it handles consecutive space etc correctly.
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2649 [17:13:30] <greycat> danielh1234: well, you came up with the same version I did, so it's a pretty good first guess...
2650 [17:13:47] <likcoras> Ah, alright. Time to figure out which of my passwords were being typed wrong all this time... sigh.
2651 [17:13:55] <likcoras> Thanks for the help!
2652 [17:13:59] <danielh1234> np
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2654 [17:14:24] <likcoras> Oh wait, I'm pretty sure this was in a bug report before, but I can't seem to find it.
2655 [17:14:41] <likcoras> replaced-url
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2674 [17:19:38] <danielh1234> likcoras: Only if someone filed it there or if it's a Debian specific bug. Normally the upstream bug tracker is a good place to look as well but there does not seems to be one in this case.
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2676 [17:20:33] <likcoras> Huh. I guess I was mistaken, huh.
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2797 [17:39:58] <celyr> we are under attack I repeat we are under attack
2798 [17:40:08] <se1_> SOUND the alarm!
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2819 [17:45:31] <toruvinn> under a tack?
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2827 [17:48:18] <n_blownapart> hello on jessie 8 32 bit gnome , how do I reduce windows to the dock as in osX ? I'd like to see a yellow button if possible
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2832 [17:48:53] <n_blownapart> or what do you call that in linux so I can read about it?
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2836 [17:49:22] <mtn> n_blownapart: you would have to install a dock, first
2837 [17:49:44] <n_blownapart> that's different from the side bar ?
2838 [17:49:46] <n_blownapart> mtn
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2841 [17:50:04] <xp> n_blownapart: replaced-url
2842 [17:50:10] <mtn> n_blownapart: I assume so, it is in my mind. what do you think you want?
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2847 [17:51:00] <n_blownapart> I looked at elementary xp thanks. I have an older machine and I'm super happy with debian 32bit. just as similar to osX behavior as possible mtn
2848 [17:51:04] <webuser5224> What about that spam above?
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2851 [17:51:46] <mtn> n_blownapart: you should be able to research how to change it to your taste. gnome has extensions which may do what you want or you will have to install a dock from the repos
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2853 [17:51:54] <greycat> Talking about spam is almost as annoying as spam itself. It's done. There's nothing more we can do about it.
2854 [17:51:56] <danielh1234> webuser5224: It's just that: Spam. Just ignore it.
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2857 [17:52:34] <greycat> n_blownapart: there is also a #gnome channel that may have more GNOME users than we do
2858 [17:52:50] <mtn> n_blownapart: this may help: replaced-url
2859 [17:53:13] <n_blownapart> nice ! mtn greycat thanks
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2862 [17:56:18] <n_blownapart> gnome layout manager script is in alpha: use at your own risk. -- do you figure this is safe for an older thinkpad 32 bit machine? I'm in Colombia now, if I screw up my system I'll be .. screwed mtn
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2866 [17:58:35] <mtn> n_blownapart: if you are so concerned, why not leave your system looking like it is now? that would be safest ;)
2867 [17:59:23] <danielh1234> n_blownapart: and when you are in a situation where you cannot easily obtain one, always have a live / rescue CD / USB with you.
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2870 [17:59:56] <n_blownapart> mtn I really just need the docking feature, to click on the "yellow" button to send a window to the background
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2872 [18:00:24] <mtn> n_blownapart: your choice how you want to use your machine. pretty or safe? your choice
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2874 [18:00:46] <mtn> n_blownapart: do you mean you want a minimize button?
2875 [18:01:07] <greycat> It sounded like a standard Windows 3.x minimize to me.
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2878 [18:01:40] <greycat> But I don't know anything about GNOME or OS X.
2879 [18:01:42] <n_blownapart> mtn yeah
2880 [18:02:09] <mtn> n_blownapart: you can add a minize button using tweak tool. it should already be installed
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2884 [18:03:15] <john_rambo> I just install flash plugin by doing >>> replaced-url
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2888 [18:04:19] <greycat> replaced-url
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2893 [18:05:33] <greycat> So now it's "about:components" because Things Have To Change Because Users Might Actually Not Be Confused If We Leave Them Alone
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2927 [18:17:22] <dob1> hi, how can i specify in rsnapshot backup directories with spaces in name?
2928 [18:18:01] <dob1> i tried to put \ before the space, but nothing
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2953 [18:26:24] <The-Dune> Hello all
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2958 [18:29:14] <dob1> it's very weird... the configtest gives me no errors, but running it , it fails when source dir have spaces
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2961 [18:29:40] <dob1> I can't believe that in 2017 a program fails if there is spaces in the name..
2962 [18:29:43] <greycat> sounds like a bug
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2967 [18:31:28] <TEA16> I always use _ or -
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2971 [18:32:08] <greycat> You can't use spaces in mount point names in /etc/fstab either, because the file is whitespace delimited.
2972 [18:32:57] <greycat> scp fails very very hard if you put a space in any pathname that is sent to a remote system. scp .bashrc foo:/tmp/"test ing"
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2978 [18:36:59] <dob1> considering that rsnapshot gives me config ok and it check if the directory exists, when it generate the rsync command it generates something like: /usr/bin/rsync -a --delete --numeric-ids --relative --delete-excluded /tmp/a b /backup/alpha.0/localhost/
2979 [18:37:02] <dob1> that fails
2980 [18:37:19] <dob1> just tried to put \ in the config file in the path, quoting etc
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2986 [18:38:14] <dob1> /tmp/a\ b/ is right
2987 [18:38:18] <greycat> bug #609443
2988 [18:38:19] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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2991 [18:39:00] <dob1> I am on the source directory but i think it's the same
2992 [18:39:13] <dob1> it's 6 years old ? :)
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2996 [18:41:50] <greycat> I don't know rsnapshot, but it looks like 609443 only put a tiny band-aid on one instance of the much deeper problem
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3011 [18:47:21] <dob1> greycat, ok you can use _ for spaces in all paths, but it's a bit weird, it seems to be in 1990, imho
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3013 [18:47:39] <greycat> I'm not defending it. It's a very obvious bug.
3014 [18:47:40] <dob1> you can't have a backup fail because there is a space in a path
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3029 [18:55:15] <Hello_World> Hi there, is someone familiar with docker ?
3030 [18:55:38] <greycat> !anyone
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3032 [18:55:38] <dpkg> Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
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3036 [18:56:45] <Hello_World> Sorry, I need to fix this : "Cannot connect to the Docker daemon. Is the docker daemon running on this host?"
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3040 [18:57:14] <qman__> that means the docker daemon is not running
3041 [18:57:17] <Hello_World> I tried : sudo usermod -aG docker
3042 [18:57:20] <greycat> Make sure you gave it the right hostname. Make sure docker is running on that host, and listening to the correct network interface(s).
3043 [18:57:35] <Hello_World> ok
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3104 [19:11:10] <Guest47131> hi
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3112 [19:14:22] <Hello_World> fixed! thank you greycat ;)
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3124 [19:19:48] <Guest47131> Planning to switch to Debian 9 Stable. Does debian get the latest Firefox updates?
3125 [19:20:15] <greycat> Stable releases track firefox-esr, which is the semi-stable browser release series.
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3127 [19:20:49] <greycat> (There is no such thing as a stable web browser. Web browser developers do not care about that. They only care about shiny and making numbers bigger.)
3128 [19:20:54] <jhutchins> Guest47131: If you think you need the latest you can download it from mozilla.
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3132 [19:21:08] <greycat> ,v firefox-esr
3133 [19:21:09] <judd> Package: firefox-esr on amd64 -- wheezy-security: 45.9.0esr-1~deb7u1; jessie: 45.9.0esr-1~deb8u1; stretch: 45.9.0esr-1; jessie-backports/firefox-release: 52.1.0esr-1~bpo80+1; jessie-security: 52.2.0esr-1~deb8u1; stretch-security: 52.2.0esr-1~deb9u1; sid: 52.2.0esr-1
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3135 [19:21:28] <Guest47131> jhutchins, will that be fine with the system's stability in the long run?
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3137 [19:21:47] <greycat> If you download your own browser, then you have to keep doing that every time you want to update it.
3138 [19:21:52] <greycat> It's your call.
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3141 [19:22:09] <Guest47131> greycat, yeah, that's true, but that will hardly take a moment
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3151 [19:25:12] <maret> good morning channel, i am trying to install nodejs od 7.1 debian but I am getting an error about unmet depdencies and I am not really familiar with the issue enough. Anyone could please find a second to take a look? replaced-url
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3154 [19:25:51] <greycat> ,v nodejs
3155 [19:25:52] <judd> Package: nodejs on amd64 -- wheezy-backports: 0.10.29~dfsg-1~bpo70+1; jessie: 0.10.29~dfsg-2; jessie-backports: 4.8.2~dfsg-1~bpo8+1; sid: 4.8.2~dfsg-1; stretch: 4.8.2~dfsg-1; experimental: 6.11.0~dfsg-1
3156 [19:26:01] <greycat> "When experimental isn't bleeding profusely enough..."
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3158 [19:26:18] <lavenders1> why do i get 'system cant recover error' when plugging my luks encrypted ssd into another computer?
3159 [19:26:55] <maret> greycat: not sure I am following
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3162 [19:27:11] <maret> is it possible to install 6.9.1 version at all?
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3164 [19:27:25] <greycat> I thought it was 7.1
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3166 [19:27:44] <maret> node version 6.9.1 on 7.1 Debian
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3168 [19:28:09] <greycat> ... what.
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3170 [19:28:26] <greycat> a wheezy (oldstable) Debian that's 10 point releases behind current?
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3172 [19:28:39] <greycat> and you want to install a bleeding edge nodejs on it
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3179 [19:29:25] <teraflops> maret: there's no package/backport as the bot already pointed
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3181 [19:29:37] <teraflops> for such version ^
3182 [19:29:54] <greycat> P.S. tomorrow, wheezy will no longer even be oldstable. It will be older than oldstable.
3183 [19:30:02] <maret> teraflops: so there is no way to install it ?!
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3185 [19:30:25] <greycat> Is there a specific REASON you are running a wheezy that is 10 point releases behind on security patches?
3186 [19:30:26] <teraflops> maret: maybe
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3189 [19:31:13] <Spec> greycat: ...is tomorrow the day?
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3191 [19:31:17] <greycat> see /topic
3192 [19:31:24] <Spec> zomg
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3194 [19:32:29] <maret> greycat: thats what is running on my lan disk...
3195 [19:32:37] <teraflops> maret: but as greycat suggested if you want upstream version idk why are you running old....stable
3196 [19:32:38] <maret> WD my cloud in particular...
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3198 [19:32:53] <maret> I can take a look if they provided safe update
3199 [19:33:21] <greycat> Can you first apply all the wheezy security patches? Wheezy is up to 7.11 now.
3200 [19:34:26] <maret> yeap will take a look at that
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3203 [19:34:49] <greycat> This is also worth looking into:
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3205 [19:34:51] <greycat> !wheezy lts
3206 [19:34:52] <dpkg> Security support for Debian 7 "Wheezy" from the Debian Security Team ended on 2016-04-25. The amd64, i386, armel and armhf architectures receive additional long term support (LTS) via <wheezy/updates> until 2018-05-31. See replaced-url
3207 [19:35:19] <maret> btw I am planning to install one sharing program on that and I want to do it in safest way possible. I am not linux expert so any recomendation what to do? So far I created separate user just for that
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3212 [19:38:14] <simpledat> Hi are anyone using vpnfailsafe here?
3213 [19:38:41] <petn-randall> !anyone
3214 [19:38:41] <dpkg> Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
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3241 [19:48:54] <lavenders1> i fail to boot my luks encrypted debian8 from ssd on another computer, while the original one is fine. Is the HW somehow engraved in the system settings or is it just luks?
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3247 [19:50:00] <lavenders1> after entering the cryptsetup password, it takes few secs then whitescreen with error notice ' system cant recover with that !smiley'
3248 [19:50:13] <missmbob> lavenders1: it should work. my guess is one has efi and the other doesnt?
3249 [19:50:29] <missmbob> no, not if you get to that point. sorry, dont know
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3251 [19:51:08] <lavenders1> one has uefi yes, the original doesnt, mmh
3252 [19:51:43] <lavenders1> is there some kind of fallback shell i can recover from, grub shell maybe even?
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3257 [19:52:39] <velix> 1 more day, 1 more day.
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3259 [19:52:52] <missmbob> lavenders1: which iso did you use? the live iso doesnt support efi
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3265 [19:54:22] <petn-randall> lavenders1: You have to either boot it in efi or legacy BIOS, whatever you used during installation. It's a firmware limitation, Debian can't work around it.
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3267 [19:55:01] <missmbob> petn-randall: *any* iso *but* live supports efi, btw
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3271 [19:55:34] <petn-randall> missmbob: I'm referring to lavenders1 settings on the new system.
3272 [19:55:35] <lavenders1> so !live would be fine whether the new computer has efi or legacy?
3273 [19:55:39] <missmbob> lavenders1: that was for you ^
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3276 [19:56:17] <lavenders1> thank you i try to catch up on all the new vocab
3277 [19:56:18] <missmbob> lavenders1: you shouldnt use live to install at all. it has various known and unknown bugs
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3282 [19:56:37] <simpledat> ERROR: Linux route add command failed: external program exited with error status: 2
3283 [19:56:41] <simpledat> RTNETLINK answers: File exists
3284 [19:56:41] <simpledat> what does this mean?
3285 [19:56:50] <endersending> Anyone in here use zfs with Debian?
3286 [19:56:50] <lavenders1> i think i choose network install
3287 [19:57:09] <endersending> Is it fairly stable?
3288 [19:57:25] <missmbob> lavenders1: that should be fine with efi
3289 [19:57:30] <koollman> simpledat: typically, you're trying to add a route that is already there
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3293 [19:57:54] <greycat> Or the route command failed for any other reason, e.g. missing firmware.
3294 [19:58:02] <greycat> Though usually a firmware issue would appear earlier.
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3296 [19:58:12] <simpledat> koollman: so what should I do? I use this replaced-url
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3319 [20:10:10] <lavenders1> what shall i do now: the board h110mstx has uefi and the image was not live - meaning it should work, where to start debugging?
3320 [20:10:37] <lavenders1> whats the actual error behind the whitescreen
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3324 [20:14:00] <danielh1234> lavenders1: are your fstab and crypttab entries all UUID-based?
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3347 [20:21:13] <lavenders1> danielh1234: yes file-system-uuid then mountpoint etc, like /etc/fstab:
3348 [20:21:24] <lavenders1> UUID=02e67b85-1aed-4f3b-bd36-096f2a0cf7f0 /boot ext4 defaults 0 2
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3350 [20:21:58] <lavenders1> sda2_crypt UUID=d7583b9e-9df1-451a-a3c5-04bee93b5fe7 none luks
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3353 [20:22:30] <danielh1234> lavenders1: can you boot into rescue mode from GRUB?
3354 [20:22:48] <lavenders1> grub shell works if meant?
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3358 [20:23:37] <danielh1234> lavenders1: I mean the other automatically generated entries in GRUB. The ones that do not start the whole system but just give you a single user shell.
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3366 [20:24:50] <lavenders1> yeah i am in the rescue mode shell , welcome to rescue mode it says
3367 [20:25:13] <lavenders1> i am root
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3372 [20:25:39] <teraflops> no, it's: I am groot ^
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3375 [20:26:06] <teraflops> uhhh wrong buffer
3376 [20:26:38] <dashs> Any guaranteed way to always boot in text mode -- I've tried everything?
3377 [20:26:50] <greycat> systemctl set-default multi-user.target
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3379 [20:27:15] <dashs> greycat -- does not work on my system
3380 [20:27:20] <greycat> What version of Debian?
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3382 [20:27:30] <dashs> jessie (8)
3383 [20:27:39] <greycat> Did you replace the init system (systemd) with some other?
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3388 [20:28:11] <greycat> what does this print: ls -ld /sbin/init
3389 [20:28:11] <dashs> No -- systemd is there -- did specify kdm for DM
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3393 [20:29:08] <dashs> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 20 Apr 8 15:08 /sbin/init -> /lib/systemd/systemd
3394 [20:29:23] <greycat> Then that systemctl command should work. Unless you did something really, really weird.
3395 [20:29:43] <danielh1234> lavenders1: Is everything normal in rescue / recovery mode? Everything mounted etc.? Do the logs provide any information or do they not get written when the boot fails?
3396 [20:30:13] <dashs> Never wanted the DM but went along with it thinking I could disable it later.
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3400 [20:31:29] <greycat> well, removing the package may work
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3402 [20:32:40] <dashs> greycat: this is a WEB server in the basement and I don't want to compromise it unduly.
3403 [20:33:06] <greycat> I can't imagine why you have kdm installed on a web server in the first place.
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3406 [20:33:38] <tomboy64> exit
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3409 [20:33:52] <dashs> Because installation forced me into it.
3410 [20:33:55] <lavenders1> big log: noticable: acpi exception ae_not_found during name lookup, then: api: all acpi tables successfully acquired; i went through the whole log, towards the end systemd starts cryptsetup.target local-fs tmpfiles networking all without errors
3411 [20:34:51] <lavenders1> all system services nec. for staring at boot have been succ. started, kernel/userspace/raminit all ok
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3415 [20:36:03] <lavenders1> i had to enter the pw for luks os-partition, on the beginning, does that mean i have unlocked it ? ( i guess no bec, the kernel is in unencrupted boot partiction right?)
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3417 [20:36:37] <lavenders1> * damn my grammar
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3424 [20:38:44] <lavenders1> danielh1234: but the bash history shows entries i entered in the os terminal back in the days, mmh
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3430 [20:40:17] <onca> help, my possessions are turning against me today, it's been a pretty crappy day because of it. For instance my raspian is stuck in single user mode with no kb input. The only kb I have is the logitech wireless which worked in runlevel 2. Please help me recover this system?
3431 [20:40:35] <greycat> !raspbian
3432 [20:40:35] <dpkg> Raspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use #raspbian on irc.freenode.net for support. replaced-url
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3437 [20:42:16] <onca> ooh this is frustrating
3438 [20:42:21] <onca> thanks greycat
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3452 [20:47:20] <danielh1234> lavenders1: looks like your encrypted '/' volume is mounted then. if your system normally boots into graphical.target try `systemctl start multi-user.target` and see if you can log in normally. if so it might just be an X problem.
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3459 [20:51:03] <lavenders1> danielh1234: bunch of output, now stuck at last message: aufs au_opts_verify:1570:dockerd 1103: dirperm1 breaks the protection by the permission bits ont he lower branch';
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3465 [20:52:28] <danielh1234> lavenders1: that's a weird error to be caused by a hardware change. you could try temporarily disabling the docker service.
3466 [20:53:29] <lavenders1> oh now: info task agetty blocked for more than 120 secs, tainted 3.16 amd64, then call trace: ?schedule_timeout, ....., system_call_fast_compare, now i am still waiting
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3474 [20:56:31] <jhutchins> ,kernels
3475 [20:56:32] <judd> Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.11.0-trunk-686 (4.11.3-1~exp1); sid: 4.9.0-3-686 (4.9.30-2); stretch: 4.9.0-3-686 (4.9.30-2); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.3-686 (4.9.25-1~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.43-2); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.88-1)
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3477 [20:57:19] <danielh1234> lavenders1: blocked kernel tasks, that sounds more it. Now just need to find out which piece of the new hardware the kernel does not like or is broken. If the logs don't give any clues you might disconnect devices until it boots, start with external ones obviously.
3478 [20:57:30] <danielh1234> *more like it
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3480 [20:58:06] <danielh1234> *Now we should have reread that...
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3482 [20:59:14] <lavenders1> shall i abort or will there be more output? i will try to detach a usb hub, there is 2xram , 1hdmi to monitor and mouse/keyboard (cable), ill try
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3487 [21:01:36] <danielh1234> lavenders1: if you cannot get any logs now don't wait. Also RAM and Monitor do seem unlikely, start with USB, as for internal devices I have a half-broken SATA HDD which causes traces like that from time to time (at least I think that is the cause).
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3496 [21:03:42] <Fallenour> hey jelly you or greycat on
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3504 [21:06:21] <lavenders1> it must be software side: i have cloned the ssd and used sata to usb3.0 with the same error, i have vga now and now usb hub, 1x ram , this is bare minimum
3505 [21:06:36] <lavenders1> *no usb hub
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3507 [21:07:35] <lavenders1> is it possible to boot into text mode and not xfce ?
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3509 [21:08:29] <greycat> !nodm
3510 [21:08:29] <dpkg> In systemd, "systemctl set-default multi-user.target", or remove the DM package(s) with "aptitude remove gdm3 kdm lightdm lxdm nodm sddm slim wdm xdm". "echo false >/etc/X11/default-display-manager" will also disable the DM, or just hit ctrl-alt-fN to get to a console. nodm is the name of a minimal/automatic display manager (replaced-url
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3512 [21:09:54] <danielh1234> lavenders1: That's what the `systemctl start multi-user.target` was supposed to do (temporarily out of you already running rescue mode, for permanent see greycats answer)
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3514 [21:10:35] <greycat> you can also specify a kernel boot argument to override the default target just once
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3516 [21:11:26] <lavenders1> is there a more minimalistic approach than start multi-user.target?
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3520 [21:11:51] <Fallenour> hey greycat im having issues getting python-mssql to install
3521 [21:11:54] <Fallenour> any ideas?
3522 [21:12:01] <greycat> !bat
3523 [21:12:02] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
3524 [21:12:09] <JordiGH> Someone told em that Debian is no longer officially "Debian GNU/Linux", just "Debian" (it's cleaner). Real or malarkey?
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3528 [21:12:46] <greycat> replaced-url
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3531 [21:13:05] <Fallenour> that doesnt really help me here
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3534 [21:13:41] <Fallenour> I know how to use apt-get, ive already updated, ive already checked in apt-cache (no dice), and im watching both the videos on an install with it, as well as looking at the newton install
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3537 [21:13:47] <Fallenour> both worked for them, but not for me
3538 [21:13:49] <Fallenour> ideas?
3539 [21:14:04] <greycat> Fallenour: /msg dpkg bat
3540 [21:14:10] <guavas> hello everyone. my asus eeepc with debian 8 is having trouble with the audio: works fine with the built-in speakers but when I plug the headphone or speakers it goes mute. I tried setting everything up in alsamixer, no good. Any help?
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3550 [21:15:49] <teraflops> try pulseaudio?
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3554 [21:16:26] <lavenders1> guavas: i solved it with usb 2.1 system by using pavucontrol,
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3557 [21:16:59] <libreman> Can somebody help me setup virtualbox on debian strech? When running `/sbin/rcvboxdrv setup` it tells me to install `linux-headers-4.9.0-2-amd64` which is not available.
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3561 [21:17:12] <teraflops> I meant. are you sure you're not already using pulseaudio
3562 [21:17:24] <lavenders1> danielh1234: is it possible to start the graphical target step by step, rather than by 'chain-recation'?
3563 [21:17:26] <borrougagnou> re
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3566 [21:18:23] <greycat> libreman: upgrade to the 4.9.0-3-amd64 kernel image, reboot, install the headers for *that* one, and proceed with module building
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3575 [21:19:18] <libreman> Ah thanks greycat, I didn't realize that i was still on 4.9.0-2
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3577 [21:19:28] <guavas> teraflops, thanks for the reply. I'm not sure, how can I check it? Both with alsamixer and volti mixer I can turn up and down volume and stuff, just not when speakers are connected
3578 [21:19:48] <guavas> lavenders1, you mean you are using an external audio card?
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3581 [21:20:11] <teraflops> guavas: pgrep pulseaudio
3582 [21:20:13] <lavenders1> yes, there is a bunch of settings in the gui, could check it out
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3585 [21:20:56] <Fallenour> my lawd greycat , that site is a godsend
3586 [21:20:57] <Fallenour> replaced-url
3587 [21:21:02] <dashs> greycat: having switched display managers, it's apparently necessary to also 'systemctl disable' kdm, gdm3, etc.
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3590 [21:21:50] <danielh1234> lavenders1: I don't know about systemd stepping or similar. There's list-dependencies but I'm sure someone can come up with a more convenient solution to isolate the problematic service.
3591 [21:21:50] <greycat> Only for you, dashs.
3592 [21:22:37] <dashs> Or anyone else who stepped outside the yellow lines.
3593 [21:22:40] <lavenders1> danielh1234: thank you for your time
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3595 [21:22:45] <danielh1234> np
3596 [21:23:15] <dashs> greycat: thanks for your aid.
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3603 [21:24:18] <libreman> greycat that did the trick :)
3604 [21:24:22] <Fallenour> any thoughts greycat?
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3610 [21:26:14] <greycat> Fallenour: Yes. My thought is that you should fucking TELL US THE ERROR, and all of the other information that was requested MULTIPLE TIMES by the bot's "bat" (basic apt troubleshooting) factoid.
3611 [21:26:38] <Fallenour> I already gave the link man, and I said it wont let me install python-pymysql
3612 [21:26:46] <Fallenour> again though, the link: replaced-url
3613 [21:26:48] <greycat> ah. ok, let me scroll up
3614 [21:26:54] <Fallenour> lol
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3624 [21:27:16] <Fallenour> been a long day?
3625 [21:27:23] <greycat> .v python-pymysql
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3627 [21:27:33] <danielh1234> not again...
3628 [21:27:37] <greycat> ,v python-pymysql
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3630 [21:27:38] <judd> Package: python-pymysql on amd64 -- jessie-backports: 0.7.6-1~bpo8+1; stretch: 0.7.10-1; sid: 0.7.10-1
3631 [21:27:46] <esaym153> cool
3632 [21:28:22] <greycat> python-pymysql does not exist in jessie; only in jessie-backports. So you'll have to enable jessie-backports and install it from there.
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3636 [21:28:36] <r0bby> Sigyn: oh I didnt see you caught it
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3639 [21:29:03] <Fallenour> ok Ive never done that before. would it be sudo -t jessie-backports apt-get install python-pymysql
3640 [21:29:08] <Fallenour> @greycat
3641 [21:29:12] <Fallenour> @judd
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3646 [21:29:28] <OS-29528> !Alpha
3647 [21:29:28] <dpkg> WANTED: loving home for CPU architecture. Alpha is housebroken, and has had all its shots. Friendly, affectionate and energetic! Contact DEC (oops, Compaq! (oops, HP! (oops, the morgue))) for details. replaced-url
3648 [21:29:37] <greycat> -t is not a command. you can't put an option in front of the command name.
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3651 [21:30:30] <Fallenour> ooh, I was curious. I saw the original instruction set with su -t /bin/sh -c
3652 [21:30:36] <Fallenour> so I kinda figured that might work
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3654 [21:30:57] <missmbob> you should read the instructions. replaced-url
3655 [21:31:01] <Fallenour> what would be the appropriate syntax instead?
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3657 [21:31:09] <Fallenour> ooh perfect! thank you @missmbob
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3659 [21:31:41] <Fallenour> and im guessng add this to sources.list
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3662 [21:31:59] <missmbob> stop guessing. read the instructions
3663 [21:32:16] <Fallenour> yeap, and yea, shoulda read one line down
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3669 [21:35:20] <OS-29528> /join #offsec
3670 [21:35:28] <OS-29528> !Alpha
3671 [21:35:29] <dpkg> WANTED: loving home for CPU architecture. Alpha is housebroken, and has had all its shots. Friendly, affectionate and energetic! Contact DEC (oops, Compaq! (oops, HP! (oops, the morgue))) for details. replaced-url
3672 [21:35:47] <shtrb> OS you really need a private room with dpkg
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3676 [21:36:10] <bodeezl> ~
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3679 [21:36:38] <Fallenour> ok so Im confused now missmbob greycat, I followed the instructions, and its giving me an error. posting it next line
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3681 [21:37:00] <Fallenour> The value 'jessie-backports' is invalid for APT::Default-Release as such a release is not available in the sources
3682 [21:37:10] <shtrb> Hi Fallenour , still fighting the debain battele against the network device ?
3683 [21:37:14] <Fallenour> deb replaced-url
3684 [21:37:14] <Fallenour> deb replaced-url
3685 [21:37:14] <Fallenour> deb replaced-url
3686 [21:37:14] <Fallenour> deb-src replaced-url
3687 [21:37:14] <Fallenour> deb replaced-url
3688 [21:37:15] *** Fallenour was kicked by debhelper (flood. Please use replaced-url
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3691 [21:37:40] <Fallenour> ugh...
3692 [21:37:49] <danielh1234> Fallenour: `apt update`?
3693 [21:37:53] <Fallenour> one sec
3694 [21:38:00] <Fallenour> just got kicked for pasting my sources.list
3695 [21:38:06] <shtrb> Fallenour , use some paste site
3696 [21:38:16] <shtrb> you can have a max of three lines
3697 [21:38:27] <Fallenour> replaced-url
3698 [21:38:32] <Fallenour> alriht, and that is my sources.list
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3700 [21:39:11] <Fallenour> ok ran apt update
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3703 [21:39:30] <Fallenour> OOOH!
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3705 [21:39:33] <Fallenour> it worked!
3706 [21:39:36] <Fallenour> I seriously love you guys
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3708 [21:39:58] <shtrb> Was I kicked before ?
3709 [21:40:14] <Fallenour> shtrb sure am. Wont rest until I have a working debian openstack
3710 [21:40:19] <Fallenour> im getting very close
3711 [21:40:46] <shtrb> I think with so much work you could just bring the rig to the stretch party
3712 [21:40:56] <Fallenour> once im past identity services, its just nova and cinder/ceph away from working, minus vm management and l2/l3, which will be relatively eas(ish)
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3715 [21:41:36] <Fallenour> I would absolutely love to do that, but I want to do it myself. As annoying as it is, and incredibly hard seeing my newness to debian, I want to learn it myself isntead of being spoon fed, which is why im stumbling through it
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3717 [21:42:06] <Fallenour> If I struggle, Ill grow
3718 [21:42:16] <shtrb> nice approach
3719 [21:42:30] <Fallenour> I was taught well by my mentors to teach myself, but to know when to ask for help
3720 [21:42:32] <missmbob> you are being spoon up and annoying us
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3723 [21:42:48] <missmbob> and just chatting. no one cares
3724 [21:43:10] <shtrb> missmbob , don't speak for everyone
3725 [21:43:21] <Fallenour> I would respectfully disagree with you missmbob, I went from knowing nothing about debian in two days to almost having installed openstack on it
3726 [21:43:22] <mint> this channel is about what?
3727 [21:43:41] <missmbob> support. not chatting about his mentors
3728 [21:43:45] <jolt> mint: Stable Debian release support
3729 [21:43:59] <mint> hmm, ok.
3730 [21:44:07] <mint> thank you.
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3732 [21:44:19] <shtrb> missmbob , visit #debian-offtopic for rants
3733 [21:44:35] <missmbob> !chat
3734 [21:44:35] <dpkg> This is not a chat channel, this is a Debian user support channel. Unless you have a Debian support question, please chat elsewhere, like #moocows on irc.oftc.net or ##chat on irc.freenode.net.
3735 [21:44:45] <teraflops> shtrb: eh nono
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3737 [21:45:13] <shtrb> teraflops ?
3738 [21:45:25] <greycat> dpkg, chat =~ s/like/like #debian-offtopic, or/
3739 [21:45:26] <dpkg> greycat: OK
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3741 [21:45:35] <shtrb> oh , sorry
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3744 [21:45:56] <mo1991> areplaced-url
3745 [21:46:11] <teraflops> shtrb: stop sending people to offtopic for ranting
3746 [21:46:46] <shtrb> ok
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3754 [21:48:38] <fiberbaby> is there a terminal command for closing the dvd tray?
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3756 [21:48:59] <missmbob> eject should work for most
3757 [21:49:01] <jhutchins> fiberbaby: Sometimes eject works.
3758 [21:49:07] <shtrb> eject
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3760 [21:49:37] <fiberbaby> but I want to load/close not eject :)
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3762 [21:49:56] <shtrb> fiberbaby , eject can close (if the device support it)
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3764 [21:49:58] <qman__> there's no difference as far as the machine is concerned, it's a toggle
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3766 [21:50:05] <fiberbaby> I see
3767 [21:50:38] <Fallenour> whts the best way to export my history output from running the history command so I can study it and improve on my systems use?
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3772 [21:50:50] <jhutchins> fiberbaby: Just checked mine, eject -t /dev/sr0 worked (plain eject did not).
3773 [21:51:08] <greycat> Fallenour: just copy ~/.bash_history if you've already exited/saved the current shell's history
3774 [21:51:11] <fiberbaby> eject -t worked for me thanks :D
3775 [21:51:15] <Fallenour> For instance, my history command shows about 222 lines on my current install, id like to keep it lined and numbered like it currently is, and export it from the system to my windows system so I can look at it in notepad++
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3777 [21:51:25] <jhutchins> fiberbaby: There's a manpage with several other options.
3778 [21:51:38] <shtrb> Fallenour , you can copy that file
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3781 [21:52:08] <Fallenour> so would I use copy ~/.bash_history > output.txt | ssh@.... ?
3782 [21:52:31] <Fallenour> or use something built into putty itself?
3783 [21:52:35] <greycat> it's already in a file. Just copy the file.
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3785 [21:52:53] <shtrb> you can just scp ~/.bash_history user@server:~/
3786 [21:53:01] <greycat> You don't need to copy it to output.txt and then copy output.txt. Just copy the original file.
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3791 [21:54:30] <shtrb> Is there a second wave of release parties after the 17'th ?
3792 [21:54:42] <jhutchins> Note that the history of the current session isn't written to the file until you exit the session.
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3794 [21:54:52] <shtrb> other than (replaced-url
3795 [21:55:01] <oerheks_> jhutchins, really ? eject && eject -t # should open & close
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3798 [21:55:31] <jhutchins> oerheks_: In the past eject && eject would open then close, my current system wants -t.
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3801 [21:56:00] <jhutchins> ...for close.
3802 [21:56:01] <shtrb> jhutchins , the man says not all support the 't' argument
3803 [21:56:04] <lavenders1> danielh1234: hey it works, i am in text-mode, what
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3806 [21:56:16] <greycat> Other ways to force the current shell's history into the file include "exec bash" (my favorite), or "history -a"
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3808 [21:56:20] <lavenders1> to do now
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3810 [21:56:27] <shtrb> *the man page
3811 [21:56:30] <jhutchins> shtrb: Correct. Which I take to mean not all drives can be closed from the CLI.
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3815 [21:57:58] <lavenders1> danielh1234: startxfce4 I AM SO HAPPY, i want to shit bricks :p
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3819 [21:59:07] <danielh1234> lavenders1: Sounds rather painful. Does graphical.target work now, too?
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3824 [21:59:50] <shtrb> lavenders1, that what wombats do people usually have a different colon
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3826 [22:01:52] <danielh1234> lavenders1: also, what solved your problem in the end?
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3828 [22:02:00] <lavenders1> did not try, in resuce shell: systemctl set-default multi-user.target, then exit, then login as regular user, and i am in textmode, the startxfce4
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3834 [22:04:15] <danielh1234> lavenders1: Well, if you solved the problem that occurred at start you should be able to do a normal boot into graphical.target via the default GRUB entry, right?
3835 [22:04:40] <Fallenour> so I tried scp, it shows the file transfer sending properly to the specified folder I want it in so I can transfer it with WinSCP, but its not showing in the dir when I look into it with WinSCP
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3839 [22:06:03] <danielh1234> Fallenour: look for a hidden files option, files starting with a dot (.) are considered hidden in many contexts.
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3842 [22:06:20] <shtrb> Fallenour , the path after the user is the home dir
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3844 [22:06:35] <shtrb> it's : user@server:path
3845 [22:06:47] <Fallenour> yea I did that. I tried something diff, and I got it
3846 [22:06:54] <Fallenour> it didnt give me the line count, but I wont complain
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3849 [22:07:15] <greycat> cat -n file
3850 [22:07:19] <Fallenour> it also showed me Ill need to open some ports in order to use direct scp and other transfers
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3852 [22:07:41] <greycat> scp just sits on top of ssh, so you if you can ssh, you can scp
3853 [22:07:56] <shtrb> scp should work over ssh (it can fallback on other things , but default should be ssh)
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3856 [22:08:11] <greycat> I don't think scp has any fallbacks
3857 [22:08:24] <greycat> you might be thinking of rsync
3858 [22:09:19] <toogley> hey. does replaced-url
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3865 [22:13:33] <lavenders1> danielh1234: in rescue shell i have to to set systemctl set-default multi-user.target OTHERWISE i would get the exact same whiteerrorscreen when #exit like i get on regular boot
3866 [22:13:36] <shtrb> grecat , you are correct
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3869 [22:13:53] <mutante> toogley: no, you'll want the GNOME image then
3870 [22:14:08] <lavenders1> it seems like the symlink has to be created before exiting, otherwise whitescreen
3871 [22:14:14] <mutante> toogley: "Debian Live Standard is Debian without the Graphical User Interface." "Debian Live Gnome is Debian Standard with Gnome."
3872 [22:14:30] <shtrb> dpkg , give me an unoffical image with firmwares
3873 [22:14:30] * dpkg gives shtrb an unoffical image with firmwares
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3875 [22:14:44] <shtrb> /msg dpkg unoffical iso image
3876 [22:14:49] <shtrb> #%@%#
3877 [22:15:34] <toogley> mutante: hm. but gnome and xfce and such is too big for a CD.^^
3878 [22:15:43] <greycat> !live firmware
3879 [22:15:43] <dpkg> Live images with firmware included can be found at replaced-url
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3881 [22:15:51] <mutante> toogley: i assume you really want this to be a Live CD and not a classic install, right? otherwise i would say just get the very small netinstall image and install whatever you want from the net
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3884 [22:16:06] <shtrb> thank you greycat
3885 [22:16:24] <danielh1234> lavenders1: ok, so at this point you can start XFCE directly but not via your display manager. If you really need one try another one to see if that solves it.
3886 [22:16:33] <greycat> !firmware image
3887 [22:16:33] <dpkg> Unofficial <netinst> images - containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for installing Debian 8 "Jessie" are available from replaced-url
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3889 [22:16:53] <greycat> Debian's "live" images are shit at installing. Don't try to install using them.
3890 [22:16:59] <toogley> mutante: yep, you're correct
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3892 [22:17:08] <lavenders1> ok
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3894 [22:17:11] <mutante> toogley: DVD then ? hmm
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3896 [22:17:49] <toogley> mutante: i don't have a dvd. and i don't want to use my usbstick.^^ i guess i have to use sth like partedmagic or so
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3900 [22:18:11] <shtrb> toofley boot from net ? (pxe)
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3906 [22:19:36] <mutante> toogley: compact flash card in reader ? i once installed on that by accident, hehe
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3909 [22:20:43] <toogley> shtrb: the usage is a emergency system i can use when my openBSD install fails somehow.^^ therefore, pxe doesn't work. (well. the main reason is, i don't have the infrastructure for pxe)
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3912 [22:21:14] <toogley> mutante: i'll try systemrescuedisc. that seems the best option i have. :D
3913 [22:21:20] <toogley> thanks for your help guys
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3918 [22:22:19] <xormor> at what time is stretch going to be published as stable? I already upgraded to it, and the directory names say "testing" in them.
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3921 [22:22:48] <greycat> You should change that to "stretch" now.
3922 [22:23:06] <greycat> I assume you meant "the lines in sources.list", not "directories"
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3924 [22:23:27] <lavenders1> when will debian9 be stable?
3925 [22:23:29] <shtrb> toogley , I once setup a pxe on a "router" :-(
3926 [22:23:29] <icarious> So when will everyone get 'stetched' ? Do the release follow 00:00 UTC ? :P
3927 [22:24:11] <toogley> shtrb: that's waaay too risky for me xD
3928 [22:24:12] <greycat> I seriously doubt it will be at a precisely round time.
3929 [22:24:14] <mutante> xormor: one more day it seems
3930 [22:24:36] <icarious> greycat: a precise round time cron job would be fun :P
3931 [22:24:40] <shtrb> toogley , worst case you get a fresh debian install after power outage
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3933 [22:25:31] <icarious> Are there any last minute changes like some new secret wallpaper / artwark that gets pushed? or everything will be as is from 'testing' ?
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3936 [22:26:15] <bumbar_> stretch will use kernel 4.5 or 4.9?
3937 [22:26:19] <greycat> The actual release process is "someone changes some symlinks", after a great deal of double checking, discussion, asking this person and that, etc.
3938 [22:26:30] <greycat> it's 4.9.30 currently
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3940 [22:26:46] <icarious> Ya, I checked yesterday.
3941 [22:27:03] <xormor> greycat, deb replaced-url
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3943 [22:27:12] <icarious> Good release, specially for somewhat post 2015 hardwares
3944 [22:27:12] <greycat> xormor: ok, that's fine.
3945 [22:28:06] <greycat> stretch will (probably!) continue following the 4.9.x kernel series, merging new upstream point releases from time to time
3946 [22:28:49] <icarious> Coincidentally 4.9 is the last of the kernels to support the last public grsec patch : /
3947 [22:28:58] <icarious> I hope there's a fork sometime soon. I will stick to 4.9 for now
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3951 [22:30:00] <icarious> I always wondered are there any specific reasons / licensing issues that prevented Debian from adapting Ubuntu's Ubiquity as an installer to simply copy the live image to the HDD?
3952 [22:30:23] <icarious> That would get a lot of people from the Ubuntu/ Mint world to consider moving to Debian.
3953 [22:30:26] <greycat> the #debian-live channel on OFTC would have the people who know about the live images
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3955 [22:30:33] <icarious> Ok. thanks
3956 [22:30:37] <icarious> I will just report there
3957 [22:30:49] <icarious> ah you said OFTC. Ok
3958 [22:31:11] <greycat> Almost all of the Debian IRC channels are on OFTC.
3959 [22:31:40] <icarious> Yes I know. Personally I find OFTC to be better then Freenode.
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3963 [22:32:39] <TEA16> What is OFTC?
3964 [22:32:55] <greycat> !oftc
3965 [22:32:56] <dpkg> OFTC is the Open and Free Technology Community, a support/collaboration service. They have an IRC network: irc.oftc.net. You may be connected to OFTC's network. replaced-url
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3967 [22:33:30] <TEA16> Ok thank
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4003 [22:53:01] <wallbroken> on virtualbox with 1 gb of ram is better to install 32bit or 64bit debian?
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4006 [22:54:54] <JNICH0L> wallbroken: I'd go for 64 if you aren't too bothered about how much RAM the VM uses.
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4010 [22:55:56] <wallbroken> JNICH0L, 6 gb of ram the entire computer
4011 [22:56:05] <wallbroken> 1 gb dedicated to the VM
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4013 [22:56:34] <JNICH0L> wallbroken: What will the VM be running?
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4020 [22:58:04] <wallbroken> JNICH0L, debian linux with xlde
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4026 [22:59:40] <greycat> If it's intended for desktop use I'd go with amd64.
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4030 [23:01:08] <JNICH0L> wallbroken: Seems like it's just going to be used to experience the OS. I'd stick with 54, but if you can stretch to 2GB, I would.
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4032 [23:01:50] <wallbroken> there is some difference between 32 ans 64?
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4034 [23:02:17] <JNICH0L> Mathematically, or with Debian?
4035 [23:02:23] <greycat> amd64 will use a bit more memory, but over the next few years you're going to see less and less stuff available for i386; it's dying out pretty fast
4036 [23:02:28] <greycat> google-chrome is already amd64 only
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4038 [23:02:54] <humbot> wah
4039 [23:03:02] <teraflops> some distros are dropping i686 support
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4044 [23:03:47] <sine0> apart from whatismyip.com and various other websites, is there a local cli way to find out the external IP address? obviously I could log into my home routher but i wondered if there was another way.
4045 [23:03:52] <Darby_Crash> hi guys. i have a issue on stretch with Ghost.py. I have installed it using sudo easy_install -U Ghost.py but when i run a python script i have ImportError: cannot import name Ghost
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4048 [23:04:03] <greycat> sine0: no, there isn't, and there can't be, if you think about it for a few minutes
4049 [23:04:58] <sine0> i thought a traceroute would show it at a certain point but it didnt.
4050 [23:04:59] <teraflops> sine0: nope, but you can curl to many sites for getting your wan ip
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4054 [23:05:30] <danielh1234> sine0: teraflops `curl icanhazip.com`
4055 [23:05:36] <greycat> or wooledge.org/myip.cgi
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4057 [23:05:45] <teraflops> like a gazillion
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4059 [23:06:34] <sine0> greycat: nice one.
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4061 [23:07:50] <borrougagnou> hi I have a problem with grub, I looking for how to change my keyboard layout in grub :/ I have try different tutorial but nothing work :/ I obtain this keyboard layout replaced-url
4062 [23:08:11] <borrougagnou> *grub2
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4068 [23:09:56] <borrougagnou> I have 3 partition: gpt1 = /boot/efi ;;;; gpt3 = /boot ;;;; gpt6 or 8 = /
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4103 [23:23:01] <mr-sad> Good day my good people
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4105 [23:23:20] <mr-sad> Have an inquiry. Trying to rm -rfv a directory
4106 [23:23:36] <mr-sad> I thought -f told it to ignore missing file or directory errors
4107 [23:23:46] <mr-sad> but it occasionally stops the rm with "rm: fts_read: No such file or directory"
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4109 [23:23:50] <mr-sad> Any thoughts?
4110 [23:24:06] <bub_> hm
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4113 [23:24:25] <bub_> doesn't say anything about directory errors though
4114 [23:24:29] <bub_> what's the deal?
4115 [23:24:41] <mr-sad> The recursive rm halts with that message
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4117 [23:24:50] <mr-sad> The directory is around 2TB estimated
4118 [23:24:56] <bub_> hah..
4119 [23:25:04] <mr-sad> Far as I know rm while slow is really only way
4120 [23:25:10] <mr-sad> unless know of faster way
4121 [23:25:21] <Anon1337_> Hi, I've just build a new machine and when I try to run the 9.0 RC5 netinstall it doesn't find the lan card? It's Intel I211 which I think should work ok. Both arch and fedora can use ti etc. Any idea how to fix this? (Using the non-free iso because of AMD GPU)
4122 [23:25:23] <mr-sad> but afraid of it halting during weekend before get back Monday
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4124 [23:25:35] <bub_> rm -rf .. shouldn't it always work .. :P
4125 [23:25:47] <bub_> of course.. with sudo
4126 [23:25:55] <teraflops> mr-sad: big dir?
4127 [23:26:03] <mr-sad> yeah
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4129 [23:26:08] <mr-sad> huge dir tree
4130 [23:26:13] <mr-sad> totalling couple terrabytes
4131 [23:26:16] <teraflops> well that's why
4132 [23:26:30] <mr-sad> i ahve multiple instances of rm divided up among the 21 parent directories though
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4135 [23:26:48] <bub_> maxsize for 'rm -rf' ?
4136 [23:27:01] <mr-sad> how to delete a big dir then?
4137 [23:27:13] <bub_> yeah, wondering myself, first time I've heard of this
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4139 [23:27:17] <bub_> :)
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4141 [23:27:25] <ryouma> gnu parallel
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4144 [23:27:41] <mr-sad> well to tell truth it is Mac OSX
4145 [23:27:42] <ryouma> or wrap it in shell
4146 [23:27:51] <mr-sad> wrap in shell?
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4148 [23:27:59] <ryouma> just to at least kill what you can
4149 [23:28:11] <mr-sad> I would go in linux chan but they block me because I am not registered
4150 [23:28:19] <teraflops> mr-sad: dont do it for the whole dir tree
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4152 [23:28:50] <mr-sad> teraflops: I have folder ABC that has 21 sub-directories
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4155 [23:28:57] <mr-sad> all these sub-dirs total around 2 terrabytes
4156 [23:29:11] <bub_> and rm -rf.. fails? wtf..
4157 [23:29:12] <mr-sad> I have seperate rm -rfv instance for each sub-dir
4158 [23:29:34] <teraflops> limit the dirs you delete, dont try to delete the whole thing at one shot
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4160 [23:29:48] <mr-sad> teraflops: not even in parallel ?
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4163 [23:29:56] <bub_> that's a bad deal with rm then.. if it can't delete big data directories
4164 [23:29:58] <teraflops> idk
4165 [23:30:00] <one_over> When I try to install software I get this error replaced-url
4166 [23:30:06] <mr-sad> have to go
4167 [23:30:09] <bub_> welcome to 2017
4168 [23:30:14] <bub_> where 2tb is possible..
4169 [23:30:15] <ryouma> osx has limitations that debian does not
4170 [23:30:17] <Sabotender> hi, I am looking for a good desktop-gui based imaging software so I can make an image of a microSD card which has some system restore information for my tablet
4171 [23:30:21] <bub_> ryouma: ahh.. ok..
4172 [23:30:25] <Sabotender> can anyone recommend one?
4173 [23:30:26] <mr-sad> ryouma: really?
4174 [23:30:33] <one_over> It give me error 127
4175 [23:30:44] <mr-sad> have good weekend, thanks for help though. have to go
4176 [23:30:54] <bub_> gl, adios :)
4177 [23:30:58] <ryouma> that was my experience. i would not assume that debian would behave the same.
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4179 [23:31:11] <ryouma> besides, isn't osx rm bsd?
4180 [23:31:17] <ryouma> debian is gnu by default
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4183 [23:31:31] <ryouma> and the file system is hfs or whatever
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4185 [23:31:37] <bub_> well, at least based on berkeley 4.4.. hm..
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4191 [23:32:46] <ryouma> i found that there were limits in pipelines, and strange stuff like that
4192 [23:32:52] <bub_> hm ok
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4196 [23:33:08] <ryouma> (in tiger)
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4199 [23:34:10] <Max_nl> Does anyone know when Debian 9 iso going to be available?
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4201 [23:34:26] <bub_> 17th? hehe..
4202 [23:34:46] <Max_nl> Haha. Which time-zone ?
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4205 [23:35:29] <one_over> How do you clear an apt locked ?
4206 [23:36:07] <tnan123> is debian testing security not managed by the debian security team similar to sid?
4207 [23:36:08] <bub_> sudo?
4208 [23:36:14] <teraflops> you remove the lock file after making yourself there is no apt/dpkg still running
4209 [23:36:29] <bub_> if it's hang.. sudo killall synaptic
4210 [23:36:48] <one_over> i get error 127 when i try to install deb files
4211 [23:36:50] <teraflops> bub_: :S
4212 [23:37:02] <bub_> is it bad practice? hehe
4213 [23:37:33] <one_over> installing everything in root
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4248 [23:50:21] <fadavi> hello there. please guide me to choose between Debian (more stable) and ArchLinux (more up-to-date). i've a ASUS N552VW-A laptop that has many problems with gnu/linux... i think, in my case up-to-date distro is better.
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4255 [23:51:42] <jolt> fadavi: in this case you could actually install debian 8 and update to stretch (9) tomorrow when it's (hopefully) released
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4257 [23:52:08] <jolt> fadavi: If you always want the latest and greatest, then you can potentially run testing
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4260 [23:52:59] <tnan123> Or even debian sid
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4262 [23:53:11] <jolt> true
4263 [23:53:39] <fadavi> jolt: aha. what is benefit(s) of debian testing comparing to archlinux?
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4267 [23:54:17] <sypher> fadavi: I do not recommend Debian testing, as it does not receive security updates in a timely manner.
4268 [23:54:19] <jolt> It's Debian! Read up on the mission statement, but in short, all the software is free (as in speech) etc
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4271 [23:54:40] <jhutchins> fadavi: Not many of us are familiar with Arch, what it's goals are, what it changes.
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4274 [23:55:04] <tnan123> @sypher would you say sid is better since it receives security updates from the package maintainers before testing gets them?
4275 [23:55:19] <tnan123> in terms of security
4276 [23:55:21] <jhutchins> fadavi: We here it's pretty good, handles some hardware sooner, but can be a pain because it breaks often.
4277 [23:55:30] <jhutchins> fadavi: Their documentation is very good.
4278 [23:55:31] <sypher> I wouldn't say that someone asking which to run should run either of the non-stable branches.
4279 [23:55:39] <teraflops> fadavi: asking such thing here makes no sense at all
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4283 [23:56:41] <jhutchins> fadavi: What we usually recommend is that you run the stable branch until you're comfortable configuring and managing Debian, especially packages, and then consider testing, possibly as a dual boot if you actually need the computer, or just with backups if it's a hobby.
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4287 [23:57:36] <Fallenour> ok so back at it again, I cant get keystone to play well. The error is: 2017-06-16 17:56:41.129 6274 CRITICAL keystone [-] NoSuchModuleError: Can't load plugin: sqlalchemy.dialects:mysql.pymsql
4288 [23:57:44] <jhutchins> Some people LIKE having problems with their computer, it gives them something to do.
4289 [23:57:56] <tnan123> fadavi: maybe you should look up your specific hardware CPU and graphics card etc to see what other experiences have been with linux since you say it's had issues with GNU/linux
4290 [23:58:02] <jhutchins> ,v keystone
4291 [23:58:03] <judd> Package: keystone on amd64 -- wheezy: 2012.1.1-13+wheezy1; jessie: 2014.1.3-6; jessie-backports: 2:9.0.0-2~bpo8+1; sid: 2:10.0.0-9; stretch: 2:10.0.0-9
4292 [23:58:08] <Fallenour> I got python-pymysql to work, after alot of fighting, but yes
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4294 [23:58:24] <Fallenour> keystone itself is installed
4295 [23:58:29] <jhutchins> Fallenour: Oh, you're the one messing with openstack.
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4299 [23:58:47] <Fallenour> jhutchins, yeap, and I also got it working :D
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4301 [23:58:58] <Fallenour> almost*
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4304 [23:59:51] <fadavi> teraflops, jhutchins: currently im an ubuntu user. my laptop, because of its new configurations, has many problems with ubuntu (too much boot errors, pci problems, etc.) and im thinking about migrate to another distro. i like debian-based distros, but it seems archlinux is better for me, now :S
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