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0 [00:00:20] <blahxblah> it seems the stretch repo doesn't exist yet, maybe i will try again in a few days and see if there are any package differences
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6 [00:03:06] <gsilvapt> Hello. Can anyone help me with wrap-and-sort? Whenever I run the command it does nothing but I know it should do something
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42 [00:16:48] <jhutchins> blahxblah: The repos have been there since jessie relesed.
43 [00:17:18] <missmbob> so not worth it
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45 [00:17:34] <zjoeke> hi got a problem with installing flash player (ERROR: wget failed to download replaced-url
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49 [00:18:12] <Violinist> guuuuuuuuuuuuuuoiz
50 [00:18:18] <Violinist> steam broke
51 [00:18:21] <Violinist> help!
52 [00:18:28] <Violinist> this is major problem
53 [00:18:58] <jhutchins> zjoeke: Adobe updated the file and the script is looking for the old one. You can fix it yourself or wait for the maintainer to update the script.
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57 [00:20:03] <jhutchins> zjoeke: Or you can just download it manually.
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59 [00:20:18] <missmbob> zjoeke: did you really want npapi or ppapi?
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61 [00:21:02] <zjoeke> dunno i used the command from the wiki
62 [00:21:31] <zjoeke> apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree
63 [00:21:48] <missmbob> yeah, like you were told, that's broken
64 [00:22:14] <missmbob> if you want firefox, just get it from adobe.com manually
65 [00:22:15] <zjoeke> whats the new one
66 [00:22:33] <jhutchins> zjoeke: Go to the adobe web site and see.
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69 [00:23:14] <zjoeke> it doesnt recognise when i dl the deb packag
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73 [00:25:08] <Buddhie> i use such outsider code in a virtualbox
74 [00:25:45] <zjoeke> it says adress wasnt understood if i choose apt for debian
75 [00:26:20] <Buddhie> if you dont want code outside debian you could use a virtualbox to run that *firefox*
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81 [00:27:53] <zjoeke> too dificult for me
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86 [00:30:56] <zjoeke> isnt there a ,deb package available somewhere
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90 [00:32:22] <pebbles> hi just wandering about package to find fastest debian mirror
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93 [00:34:13] <zjoeke> pebbles apt-get install netselect-apt to run netselect-apt
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96 [00:35:07] <pebbles> thanks dude
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219 [01:48:06] <firef1y> Hey, does debian have decent support for Kaby Lake iGPU?
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252 [02:05:57] <missmbob> firef1y: in stretch?
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256 [02:07:29] <missmbob> firef1y: if so, yes, if you compile your own 4.10 kernel. or wait a little bit after its release (on the 17th) for 4.10 to go into stretch-backports
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261 [02:09:07] <firef1y> missmbob: whatever the latest is...
262 [02:09:16] <firef1y> I thought we were past Stretch now...
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264 [02:09:34] <missmbob> firef1y: no. stretch releases on 17th
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266 [02:09:35] <firef1y> title says that Jessie is stable now.
267 [02:09:47] <missmbob> firef1y: jessie is before stretch
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269 [02:10:58] <missmbob> firef1y: and no, it's not easy/fun on jessie. you want to stick with stretch
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351 [02:56:20] <razz> hey guys, ive got a networking question, trying to set a static ip and static route in raspbian, the guide im using says to edit /etc/network/interfaces but it isnt working and from what i understand the configuration file should now be /etc/dhcpcd.conf?
352 [02:57:01] <bazhang> #raspbian for support
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354 [02:57:44] <razz> this is what im putting into the interfaces file address x.x.x.x, netmask x.x.x.x and up route add -net x.x.x.x netmask x.x.x.x eth0 just wondering what i would need to change for this to work in the dhcpcd config?
355 [02:57:57] <razz> ok thanks
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449 [04:04:11] <sumyunseal> umm
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451 [04:04:34] <sumyunseal> if i install strech rc5 will that update to the official release?
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454 [04:06:35] <sumyunseal> gaize?
455 [04:07:26] <sumyunseal> also should i format my usb to fat or ex4
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464 [04:11:34] <mutante> sumyunseal: are you going to use it with Windows?
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466 [04:11:43] <sumyunseal> no already on wheezy
467 [04:11:44] <mutante> i assume "my usb" is a harddisk
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469 [04:11:59] <sumyunseal> no usb is usb
470 [04:12:13] <mutante> then i don't know what formatting it means
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472 [04:12:20] <sumyunseal> puting strech on a new partition
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478 [04:13:39] <mutante> sumyunseal: so it's a flash drive? USB is a conneciton
479 [04:13:52] <sumyunseal> jesus
480 [04:14:03] <sumyunseal> i guess it is man i guess it is
481 [04:15:01] <lucnx> sudo apt-get install a life
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483 [04:15:32] <lucnx> rm -rf /*
484 [04:15:35] <mutante> what the heck, since when is "my USB" a thing. here's your answer though replaced-url
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486 [04:15:50] <sumyunseal> by the time u put ur gogles on ill have it installed already
487 [04:15:53] <sumyunseal> ffs
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489 [04:16:06] <sumyunseal> already there mutante
490 [04:16:19] <mutante> so i wasnt fast enough googling for you? sorry for that
491 [04:16:50] <sumyunseal> coz u were still processing usb ? duuuuuuuur
492 [04:17:24] <sumyunseal> what is sync?
493 [04:17:30] <sumyunseal> cp debian.iso /dev/sdX
494 [04:17:33] <sumyunseal> sync
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497 [04:18:37] <sumyunseal> Do not use tools like unetbootin which alter the image.
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499 [04:18:44] <sumyunseal> thats what i did the first time
500 [04:18:50] <sumyunseal> used to work
501 [04:19:07] <sumyunseal> how come netbooting screews it up
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506 [04:20:25] <sumyunseal> bbl rebooting and installing
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530 [04:33:43] <nurupo> what is the difference between mini.iso and netinst.iso?
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532 [04:33:53] <nurupo> apart from them being 40mb vs 300mb
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534 [04:35:38] <dvs> nurupo, mini.iso must install everything over the internet while the netinst can create a minimal install without going over the internet.
535 [04:36:18] <nurupo> ah, i see
536 [04:37:04] <mutante> the naming is kind of backwards, "net"-install is the one that works without net
537 [04:37:10] <nurupo> the names are kind of backwards though
538 [04:37:39] <nurupo> netinst.iso is the mini installation, while mini.iso is the network installation
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543 [04:38:27] <nurupo> heh, didn't see you message, mutante :P
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546 [04:40:49] <mutante> well, we agree :)
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552 [04:43:29] <nurupo> anyone can edit this page? replaced-url
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560 [04:53:00] <nurupo> i wonder what is non-free in bison-doc package
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565 [04:54:30] <nurupo> >cpp-6-doc (6.3.0-1) [non-free] documentation for the GNU C preprocessor (cpp)
566 [04:54:33] <nurupo> huh
567 [04:55:23] <nurupo> ok, found it >This documentation is licensed under the terms of the GNU Free Documentation License, and contains invariant sections, so it can't be part of Debian main.
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569 [04:56:23] <nurupo> GNU Free Documentation License isn't considerate free by Debian Free Software Guidelines
570 [04:57:15] <nurupo> weird by okay, i guess there could be some incompatibilities
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579 [05:07:04] <sumyunseal> weeepeeee
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581 [05:07:12] <sumyunseal> im in stretch gaize
582 [05:07:18] <sumyunseal> welcome me
583 [05:07:23] <sumyunseal> \o/
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585 [05:07:30] <sumyunseal> comon
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591 [05:09:57] <n-iCe> hi
592 [05:11:09] <sumyunseal> helo
593 [05:11:24] <n-iCe> how you doing
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595 [05:11:45] <sumyunseal> setting up the new strech
596 [05:12:00] <n-iCe> awesome, I did that yesterday
597 [05:12:11] <n-iCe> last debian iso netsintall, and installed openbox
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599 [05:12:33] <sumyunseal> yey
600 [05:12:46] <sumyunseal> i dont like all the missing software
601 [05:13:16] <sumyunseal> bbl have to reboot for nvidia
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603 [05:13:27] <n-iCe> well
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607 [05:16:28] <sumyunseal> holy crap the icons r huge
608 [05:17:25] <n-iCe> haha
609 [05:17:38] <n-iCe> I like the missing software, because the laptop is old, centrino duo and 1GB RA,
610 [05:17:44] <n-iCe> RAM, can't run something better
611 [05:18:02] <sumyunseal> omg the tabs r hyuge
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614 [05:18:34] <n-iCe> lol
615 [05:19:23] <sumyunseal> mesa-utils
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617 [05:21:32] <sumyunseal> got opengl
618 [05:21:35] <sumyunseal> :D
619 [05:21:42] <sumyunseal> thats all i need
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631 [05:32:12] <sumyunseal> getting cairo dock
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633 [05:32:14] <sumyunseal> :D
634 [05:33:44] <sumyunseal> wow so many fix broken lel
635 [05:34:17] <sumyunseal> brilliant
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653 [05:45:27] <sumyunseal> libc6-i386
654 [05:46:00] <sumyunseal> now we start stretching
655 [05:46:03] <sumyunseal> lel
656 [05:47:32] <uxfi> How do I get info for a package when using dpkg to search/
657 [05:47:47] <sumyunseal> apt-cache policy package
658 [05:48:03] <uxfi> ah
659 [05:48:13] <uxfi> sumyunseal; well I mean a lsit ofpackages with their descriptios too
660 [05:48:34] <sumyunseal> dpkg -l
661 [05:48:35] <dpkg> Files in package sumyunseal-pr0n: /srv/sumyunseal-pr0n/sumyunseal.jpg
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663 [05:49:15] <uxfi> sumyunseal; nope what do you mean?
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666 [05:49:55] <sumyunseal> wat
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669 [05:50:49] <uxfi> Im talking about sumyunseal if I do dpkg -- saerch "word etc" a lsit of packages will come up with their descriptions
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698 [06:24:57] <sumyunseal> hwo come hexchat looks like poo
699 [06:25:09] <sumyunseal> its like an ugly xchat
700 [06:25:34] <pingfloyd> they both look like poo
701 [06:25:50] <Rusty1_> /join #hexchat, discus
702 [06:25:55] <Rusty1_> s
703 [06:26:34] <mutante> how come what is considered ugly lies in the eye of the beholder
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709 [06:28:37] <themill> nurupo: link fixed in the next site rebuild. thanks.
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713 [06:29:02] <nurupo> themill: nah, thank *you* :P
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850 [07:41:12] <dunderproto> If I install stretch tonight, will it be a simpler matter to update to the official release version when it comes out?
851 [07:41:17] <dunderproto> s/simpler/simple
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872 [07:52:49] <nurupo> interesting find in docs for C source code analyzer replaced-url
873 [07:53:24] <nurupo> this file is included in the original source tarball, so it's included in the package not by a mistake
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918 [08:24:36] <gurukr18> I'm trying to use pnfs on Ubuntu and tried mounting with the following option: -t nfs4 -o minorversion=1
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920 [08:25:27] <gurukr18> I get error saying "operation not permitted'
921 [08:25:27] <gurukr18> I'm on 16.04 Ubuntu
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938 [08:31:04] <jelly> gurukr18: ask in #ubuntu-server or #ubuntu, unless you use actual Debian
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983 [08:54:13] <m_> Hello all
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985 [08:54:19] <m_> Hello to all
986 [08:54:44] <locrian9> Hi m
987 [08:54:46] <m_> I have issue with virtual box
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989 [08:54:56] <locrian9> me too
990 [08:55:05] <m_> I can not install virtualbox
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995 [08:55:37] <locrian9> m_: what is the host OS and what is the guest OS?
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997 [08:56:37] <m_> because I live in Iran and Oracle have boycotted us
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999 [08:58:00] <m_> for example I can't connect to server replaced-url
1000 [08:58:20] <m_> Please help me?
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1002 [08:58:33] <rjsalts> m_: there is a virtualbox package in debian itself
1003 [08:58:43] <rjsalts> m_: apt-get install virtualbox
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1005 [09:00:05] <rjsalts> m_: I think the only thing you won't be able to do with the free version is USB passthrough to the VM
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1008 [09:01:04] <rjsalts> m_: Support for USB 2.0 and USB 3.0 devices, VirtualBox RDP, disk encryption, NVMe and PXE boot for Intel cards.
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1038 [09:17:28] <locrian9> Can someone help me with setting up a samba server hosted on a VirtualBox guest Debian Jessie and allow the host OS (Win7) to see the samba share?
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1040 [09:17:42] <locrian9> I've configured the 'settings' in the VirtualBox residing on the host OS Win7 (VirtualBox > File > Preferences > Network > Host-only Networks) and have edited to have the 'host only network' reside on the IP to 192.168.200.1 255.255.255.0. Then I've created the following 'smb.conf' file in /etc/samba (replaced-url
1041 [09:17:48] <locrian9> k in Windows (Run //192.168.200.1), I don't see the samba file share hosted in my Debian Jessie folder.
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1046 [09:23:30] <rjsalts> locrian9: you mean \\?
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1048 [09:24:02] <locrian9> rjsalts: Yes, \\192.168.200.1
1049 [09:24:20] <rjsalts> locrian9: did it ask for authentication?
1050 [09:25:16] <locrian9> rjsalts: No, it just shows the large white background, without any folders inside the Windows Explorer window.
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1052 [09:26:44] <rjsalts> locrian9: if you try \\host\share for instance a user share if you have home directories turned on
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1055 [09:28:43] <rjsalts> locrian9: or \\host\samba-share
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1060 [09:31:08] <locrian9> rjsalts: Just tried \\192.168.200.1\samba-share and the attempt timed out with an error.
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1064 [09:31:53] <rjsalts> locrian9: which was?
1065 [09:33:13] <locrian9> '\\192.168.200.1\samba-share A device attached to the system is not functioning.'
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1068 [09:34:46] <darme> i just got segfault error on xorg. what do i do?
1069 [09:34:51] <darme> im on stretch
1070 [09:35:11] <darme> i have log
1071 [09:35:34] <rjsalts> locrian9: anything on the samba server, logs-wise
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1074 [09:36:24] <rjsalts> darme: it's most likely a bug or a hardware failure. Do you have a core file?
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1076 [09:36:53] <darme> dont know what it is
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1083 [09:38:56] <darme> xserver-xorg-core is already the newest version (2:1.19.2-1)
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1086 [09:39:28] <rjsalts> darme: when a segfault occurs it's because a program attempted to access memory that wasn't allocated to it. that's either because of a bug where the programmer didn't check that they weren't going over the end of the part of memory allocated to them
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1090 [09:40:26] <rjsalts> darme: or if you have a hardware fault, because something got changed in memory which led to the attempt to access outside the allocation
1091 [09:41:01] <rjsalts> darme: when that happens the kernel creates a core file, which is a snapshot of the memory for the program, so that a developer can debug it
1092 [09:41:26] <darme> ok, where can find it?
1093 [09:42:09] <rjsalts> darme: depends on the core pattern, by default it simply core in the working directory of the program
1094 [09:42:28] <darme> does it have any name pattern?
1095 [09:42:31] <rjsalts> darme: it may also be turned off, check ulimit -c
1096 [09:42:44] <darme> its 0
1097 [09:42:48] <darme> :|
1098 [09:42:52] <rjsalts> darme: then it won't be created
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1100 [09:44:39] <rjsalts> darme: you'll need to either mess with the ulimit in whatever starts the X server, or you can use prlimit to change the value in the running Xorg server
1101 [09:44:55] <darme> i i set ulimt -c 1, core files will be created
1102 [09:45:01] <darme> ?
1103 [09:45:16] <locrian9> rjsalts: Here's the logs from '/var/log/samba/log.smbd' replaced-url
1104 [09:45:38] <rjsalts> darme: the first 1 meg will be dumped
1105 [09:46:11] <rjsalts> darme: you probably want ulimit -c unlimited, but that needs to go in the init script/systemd unit that starts X
1106 [09:46:43] <locrian9> rjsalts: wrong link. Here's the correct one: replaced-url
1107 [09:46:43] <rjsalts> locrian9: not sure what that means
1108 [09:46:53] <locrian9> rjsalts: wrong link. Here's the correct one: replaced-url
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1110 [09:47:32] <locrian9> rjsalts: Sorry... After midnight here.
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1112 [09:47:42] <ntz> hello
1113 [09:47:42] <darme> ok, i will set it to unlimited and hope crash will happen again
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1119 [09:52:12] <ntz> I've been punished by the weird and cruel punishment that I have to do something with debian server(s) now ... reading dpkg manual can't find it anywhere
1120 [09:52:21] <ntz> I have to do something like this replaced-url
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1122 [09:52:57] <ntz> I need to find within debian packages something like a #vendor field that I'll be able to recognize dpkg packages from 3rd parties
1123 [09:53:45] <ntz> in my paste above is example how I'd do it with rpm just to demonstrate better what I need
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1140 [10:02:33] <rjsalts> ntz: I think you want apt, not dpkg
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1144 [10:03:37] <darme> ive set ulimit -c unlimited in /etc/X11/xinit/xserverrc, but after xserver restart ulimit -c shows 0, and ulimit shows unlimited. same with root user. did i enabled core dumps?
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1146 [10:05:05] <rjsalts> darme: prlimit is your friend, prlimit [options] [--resource[=limits] [--pid PID]
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1150 [10:05:56] <darme> it shows SOFT limit 0, HARD is unlimited.
1151 [10:06:03] <darme> for a CORE
1152 [10:06:10] <rjsalts> darme: so to find out on your Xserver, just prlimit $(pidof X)
1153 [10:06:17] <darme> oh ok
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1155 [10:07:14] <rjsalts> darme: correction -> sudo prlimit --pid $(pidof X)
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1161 [10:08:51] <ntz> rjsalts: okay, I can in-loop examinate all packages with apt-cache show, but how do I grab on something like a vendor field that is obviously NOT present here allowing me to filter packages by it
1162 [10:08:56] <rjsalts> darme: and if it has the soft limit of 0, then sudo prlimit --core=unlimited: --pid $(pidof X)
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1165 [10:09:50] <rjsalts> ntz: the vendor being debian or some third party repo? right?
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1168 [10:10:49] <ntz> yes, again, look please at my example output from rpm replaced-url
1169 [10:11:06] <rjsalts> ntz: I saw it
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1171 [10:11:18] <towo^work> in debian the vendor allways is debian
1172 [10:11:27] <towo^work> there are no other official repos
1173 [10:11:28] <ntz> this is generally what I need to do with debian .... however in real, I'd do it in rhel/suse completely different, this is just low-level
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1177 [10:12:13] <ntz> towo^work: no, we - company - have own packages from own local repo and perhaps even more other packages from elswhere
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1179 [10:12:16] <darme> rjsalts: thank you, looks like i have enabled core dumps
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1181 [10:12:33] <ntz> I'm now trying to find out howto distinguish them easily
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1184 [10:12:43] <towo^work> ntz, the deb standard has no vendor field
1185 [10:12:51] <rjsalts> ntz: I think apt-cache policy is as close as it comes, but it will only tell you where things might come from in an upgrade
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1188 [10:13:29] <towo^work> you can put vendor in the version string, like dmo does
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1190 [10:14:02] <rjsalts> ntz: if you've got a package installed already it won't say which repo it came from.
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1192 [10:14:11] <ntz> okay, how do I just print a one field then for all packages .... eg I want now to print field Filename: ... with rpm I'd do: rpm -qa --queryformat '%{whatever_field}\n'
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1194 [10:14:27] <ntz> rjsalts: I see
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1197 [10:14:48] <rjsalts> ntz: you could look at /var/log/apt/...
1198 [10:14:49] <ntz> however a Filename: field seems to me of some significance
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1200 [10:16:05] <solenoid> hello, I'm having some trouble accessing my SDCard connected via Realtek SD card reader in my laptop
1201 [10:16:11] <solenoid> I have debian 8 jessie
1202 [10:16:44] <solenoid> dmesg | tail gives me this message " mmc0: error -5 whilst initialising SD card
1203 [10:16:44] <solenoid> "
1204 [10:17:07] <ntz> solenoid: nope, please give us exact error as it is logged
1205 [10:17:09] <rjsalts> ntz: aptitude search "some pattern" -F formatstring
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1207 [10:17:20] <ntz> rjsalts: thanks !!!!!
1208 [10:17:42] <rjsalts> replaced-url
1209 [10:17:43] <solenoid> ntz, the card isnt detected at all actually
1210 [10:17:54] <solenoid> i cant access it
1211 [10:18:14] <solenoid> the only thing ive managed to get is that dmesg thing
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1216 [10:19:23] <rjsalts> ntz: For instance, “!?origin(debian)” will find any unofficial packages on your system (packages not from the Debian archive).
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1226 [10:21:04] <solenoid> its like theres no output
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1228 [10:21:47] <ntz> rjsalts: wait, wait .... reading an aptitude manpage now the keys (eg %x) for -F ...
1229 [10:22:15] <ntz> how you'd went into “!?origin(debian)” ???
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1233 [10:23:57] <rjsalts> ntz: that's the search pattern, not the format string
1234 [10:25:18] <rjsalts> ntz: the -F is from replaced-url
1235 [10:25:58] <Iridos> rjsalts, uh… did you run that? There's a ton of virtual packages that match that
1236 [10:27:04] <jelly> Iridos: maybe you have a lot of obsolete virtual package that do not exist in debian any more
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1242 [10:27:40] <Iridos> maybe
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1244 [10:28:13] <Iridos> but they are - obviously - not installed
1245 [10:28:26] <rjsalts> Iridos: I was just reading out of the examples in replaced-url
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1248 [10:29:10] <Iridos> that's from /usr/share/doc/aptitude/README but with moar colors?
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1251 [10:29:47] <rjsalts> aye
1252 [10:30:16] <Iridos> that readme is an abomination unto the FSM and the gods of holy magical pink electric smoke and shoule be banished into the manpage
1253 [10:30:24] <Iridos> should*
1254 [10:30:36] <shamoanjac> hey, what's the free as in freedom package for opening RAR archives again?
1255 [10:30:59] <shamoanjac> (sorry for asking, every ddg results eventually tells me to add the non-free repos in my sources.list)
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1257 [10:31:15] <ntz> hmm
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1259 [10:32:00] <Iridos> shamoanjac, would "apt-cache search --names-only unrar" answer that?
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1262 [10:32:56] <shamoanjac> oh, there is an unrar-free package lol
1263 [10:32:58] <shamoanjac> thanks
1264 [10:33:00] <Iridos> ^^
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1266 [10:34:36] <rjsalts> shamoanjac: p7zip-full can also deal with rar files afaik
1267 [10:35:32] <rjsalts> shamoanjac: oh, I'm wrong needs non-free p7zip-rar
1268 [10:35:44] * shamoanjac rants in rms
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1270 [10:36:06] <Iridos> judd, versions python2.7-minimal
1271 [10:36:07] <judd> Package: python2.7-minimal on amd64 -- wheezy: 2.7.3-6+deb7u2; wheezy-security: 2.7.3-6+deb7u3; jessie: 2.7.9-2+deb8u1; sid: 2.7.13-2; stretch: 2.7.13-2
1272 [10:36:35] <Iridos> hm, no
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1275 [10:36:53] <Iridos> one of them is v python2.7-minimal:any
1276 [10:37:01] <Iridos> judd, versions python2.7-minimal:any
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1278 [10:37:01] <judd> No package named 'python2.7-minimal:any' was found in amd64.
1279 [10:37:18] <Iridos> and that's purely virtual but not obsolete and it's shown by that aptitude command
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1284 [10:40:54] <Iridos> judd, versions libboost-graph1.49.0
1285 [10:40:55] <judd> Package: libboost-graph1.49.0 on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.49.0-3.2
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1288 [10:41:49] <Iridos> rjsalts, maybe more like … aptitude search '?and(?installed,!?origin(debian))' and even that finds stuff like that libboost which seems left over from the upgrade from wheezy
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1290 [10:42:49] <Iridos> '?and(?installed,!?origin(debian))' | wc -l returns 367. meh
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1293 [10:42:52] <rjsalts> presumably virtual packages have no origin because they're provided by another package and aptitude search isn't looking at the metadata of that other thing when evaluating the virtual
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1295 [10:43:11] <wfq> Hi all
1296 [10:43:13] <shamoanjac> cap0ne,
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1298 [10:43:27] <rjsalts> just ~i!?origin(debian) worked fine
1299 [10:43:44] <Iridos> yeah… or it does…
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1302 [10:44:10] <rjsalts> aptitude search '!?origin(debian)~i' | wc -l = 18
1303 [10:44:11] <Iridos> that's the same as mine, I guess… you just use the short form ~i and some implicit form of ?and()
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1311 [10:45:11] <Iridos> of the ~400 I have, some seem to be abandoned libraries from wheezy that didn't get removed on upgrade, some seems to be backports… not sure if I made them or if they are from bdo
1312 [10:45:21] <wfq> What's the best place to find anyone who can help me to configure fail2ban or similar tools? Obviously buying his/her services provided
1313 [10:45:32] <Iridos> and only a small fraction is genuinely alien stuff like steam
1314 [10:45:52] <rjsalts> Iridos: ~i is a short form of ?installed
1315 [10:46:16] <mosasaur> after doing a dist-upgrade some things were changed with respect to X11 forwarding that I don't like. Is there some log of what changes there were?
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1317 [10:46:22] <shamoanjac> Alien packages? On _my_ Debian?
1318 [10:46:30] <wfq> sorry, wrong channel...
1319 [10:46:45] <rjsalts> mosasaur: /var/log/apt/history.log
1320 [10:46:52] <shamoanjac> We're going to build a firewall, and Valve is going to pay for it
1321 [10:47:01] <mosasaur> thanks rjsalts
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1326 [10:48:20] <mosasaur> rjsalts: nothing there about X11 forwarding :(
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1328 [10:49:06] <rjsalts> mosasaur: you're talking via ssh?
1329 [10:49:29] <mosasaur> anyway, I used to let nautilus handle the desktop, that doesn't work anymore, but nemo still works
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1331 [10:49:50] <ThiefMaster> hi, is there any easy way of checking whether the system is debian or ubuntu? i have this command in an install guide for our application and i'd like it to work on both debian and ubuntu (for ubuntu the url needs to have `ubuntu` instead of `debian`): echo "deb replaced-url
1332 [10:50:18] <mosasaur> rjsalts: not now, but sometimes I log in with another box via ssh -Y
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1334 [10:50:51] <mosasaur> but some terminals now can't copy paste via the mouse :(
1335 [10:51:12] <mosasaur> like gnome-terminal, but evilvte still works
1336 [10:51:54] <rjsalts> ThiefMaster: lsb_release -ds
1337 [10:52:01] <mosasaur> also, settings I change via lxpanels only work during one ssh session ..., the next time Iog in I have to do it again
1338 [10:52:50] <rjsalts> ThiefMaster: or maybe lsb_release -is
1339 [10:52:51] <ThiefMaster> rjsalts: i was hoping for something that doesn't contain the version. `lsb_release -is` seems better. what does it return on debian jessie? (i just have an ubuntu vm running right now where it returns 'Ubuntu')
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1342 [10:53:09] <rjsalts> ThiefMaster: Debian
1343 [10:53:21] <ThiefMaster> ok great, that'll work fine if i lowercase it
1344 [10:54:35] <mosasaur> also, somehow swapping mousebuttons to left handed via a script doesn't work anymore
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1346 [10:54:56] <mosasaur> but if I run the same script via the desktop it works ...
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1348 [10:55:27] <rjsalts> ThiefMaster: ${var,}
1349 [10:55:28] <mosasaur> I mean a script that I run in a ssh script
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1353 [10:56:53] <ntz> mosasaur: it affects the session bound on existing display (eg DISPLAY= variable) so you should run that script within your session initializatin
1354 [10:57:29] <rjsalts> rjsalts: in bash, anyhow -> export distro=$(lsb_release -is);echo ${distro,}
1355 [10:57:40] <ntz> eg usually Austostart folder in your ~/.kde4 or ~/.config or wherever you have it
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1361 [10:59:40] <mosasaur> ntz: yes thanks. I was also thinking it could be something display related, I seems nautilus and nemo have different ways of sticking to some display
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1365 [11:00:26] <mosasaur> but if I add f.e. DISPLAY=:10 to the mouse swapping script it doesn't work
1366 [11:01:03] <mosasaur> also, it doesn't explain lxpanel not remembering changed settings
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1368 [11:01:17] <ntz> mosasaur: it is not DISPLAY=:10, this is usually your ssh-forwarding channel
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1370 [11:01:41] <ntz> if you connect somewhere using ssh -X (or -Y) it would be that, other wise it's usually DISPLA=:0
1371 [11:02:08] <mosasaur> ntz: yes, I was talking about ssh -Y things
1372 [11:02:10] <ntz> s/other wise/otherwise/
1373 [11:02:32] <ntz> hmm
1374 [11:02:35] <mosasaur> the standard desktop is OK
1375 [11:02:58] <ntz> sorry then .... I didn't reread that carefully
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1382 [11:04:23] <mosasaur> ntz: np :)
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1436 [11:37:51] <paul_grozav> I have a "simple" program that should run with gcc's thread sanitizer, however, at runtime, after a data race warning, the program starts using memory until all the memory is full and then it ends with a message like "ThreadSanitizer CHECK failed: ... sanitizer_common.cc:118 "((0 && "unable to mmap")) != (0)" (0x0, 0x0)" any idea what's wrong with it?
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1442 [11:43:27] <shamoanjac> well you just said what was wrong with it :)
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1444 [11:43:55] <shamoanjac> maybe you would rather want to ask for a solution to the problem?
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1464 [11:57:49] <ForceRecon> goodmorning Debian!
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1499 [12:14:32] <ForceRecon> thanks for that explanation.. would the cloak remove the endpoint or is that the origin - London
1500 [12:14:56] <ForceRecon> whoops
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1527 [12:30:20] <paul_grozav> shamoanjac: yes, I'd like to understand why it does what it does, or a solution to the problem
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1531 [12:33:00] <shamoanjac> ha ha well I have no idea because I am a useless human being paul_grozav
1532 [12:33:06] <shamoanjac> but it was fun
1533 [12:33:21] <paul_grozav> :)
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1587 [13:02:32] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
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1592 [13:04:40] <ForceRecon> Have many people had any luck with 3 monitors on debian
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1600 [13:08:26] <jelly> luck?
1601 [13:08:39] <nkuttler> monitors?
1602 [13:08:51] <colo-work> people?
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1604 [13:08:53] <jelly> have!
1605 [13:08:54] <teraflops> lol
1606 [13:09:05] <tremolo> many?
1607 [13:09:25] <teraflops> ForceRecon: being a bit more specific won't hurt…
1608 [13:10:09] <teraflops> as in, which gpu/DE/WM/debian release and so on
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1610 [13:10:19] <jelly> output of xrandr
1611 [13:10:26] <inch> ForceRecon: I tried 4 monitors with 2 graphics cards but the performance was bad. 4 monitors in a single card works just fine.
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1619 [13:13:17] <teraflops> 2 graphics card sounds like two xorg instances, also if you use xinerama of course performance sucks
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1622 [13:14:06] <teraflops> nvidia has this twinview thingy I never tried
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1637 [13:19:57] <ForceRecon> sorry had to afk for a few..
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1640 [13:21:05] <ForceRecon> most of you know that once you perfect your machine you like it.. I currently run debian on my laptop which is awesome but I am limited to trying things since it is not my primary
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1642 [13:22:15] <coke> im so glad i dont have to perfect any maschines anymore ;)
1643 [13:22:25] <shamoanjac> I wish I could maintain a system stable for more than three months straight
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1645 [13:22:29] <ForceRecon> I want to change my primary to debian, but I use three monitor on a gtx 980, these are 3 24' 1920x1200 16:10s and I need to make sure that the video / resolution and usage of these 3 monitors will remain the same
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1647 [13:22:40] <shamoanjac> I blew up my main Debian install by doing dist-upgrade
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1649 [13:22:53] <shamoanjac> I'm not knowledgeable enough to fix it quickly
1650 [13:23:10] <ForceRecon> well, that is my concern as well.. I won't know unless I am using it constantly.. I did the same thing about a week into using linux
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1653 [13:23:23] <nkuttler> !tell shamoanjac about errors
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1655 [13:23:33] <ForceRecon> has anyone had any luck using steam on debian?
1656 [13:23:43] <ForceRecon> there is one game i play. I would like to have it
1657 [13:23:45] <nkuttler> ForceRecon: many have...
1658 [13:23:49] <tremolo> I wouldn't call it luck, but it seems to work.
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1660 [13:24:11] <nkuttler> yeah, you're not exactly "lucky" to get to run drm'd software..
1661 [13:24:14] <Voldenet> is "bad luck" part of any luck?
1662 [13:24:28] <shamoanjac> is luck inherently bad or good?
1663 [13:24:34] <shamoanjac> this is #philosophy now
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1666 [13:24:45] <tremolo> I have two monitors at home and at work; haven't tried adding a third, but I would expect it to work pretty similarly.
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1668 [13:25:23] <ForceRecon> would this be accurate - replaced-url
1669 [13:25:40] <nkuttler> !tell ForceRecon about steam
1670 [13:26:42] <petn-randall> shamoanjac: Do you need help fixing that?
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1672 [13:27:04] <jelly> ForceRecon: nvidia drivers, if you need them, have had proper randr for 2-3 years at least
1673 [13:27:21] <jelly> no need for "twinview"
1674 [13:27:47] <ForceRecon> whoa.. what is the proper randr
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1676 [13:28:09] <ForceRecon> RandR ("resize and rotate") is a communications protocol written as an extension to the X11 protocol. XRandR provides the ability to resize, rotate and reflect the root window of a screen.
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1678 [13:28:32] <ForceRecon> how do you get the proper randr?
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1680 [13:28:43] <shamoanjac> nah petn-randall, I'll get to it some week-end
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1682 [13:28:53] <shamoanjac> I'll finally get rid of Win10 anytime now
1683 [13:29:02] <teraflops> ForceRecon: if your laptop is optimus powered take a look at replaced-url
1684 [13:29:06] <shamoanjac> (as I've been promising I would do for 4 months now)
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1687 [13:30:10] <zOthix> How to install Ccg in debian ?
1688 [13:30:13] <ForceRecon> teraflops: I will be using the 3 monitors on my PC.. not the laptop..
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1691 [13:31:31] <ForceRecon> the PC is more than adequate to do anything.. I just hope that linux finds everything.. that's the kicker.. in windows you can see if anything is not loading properly with manager. In linux I am not that good yet where I can see what did not load and then go.. okay I need this driver, let me get it .. I have no idea how to install it at this point even if I found it
1692 [13:31:46] <ForceRecon> but I gather that is how you learn.. so I think I am ready to try it
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1696 [13:32:34] <zOthix> How to install CCG in debian ?
1697 [13:32:59] <ForceRecon> I just know that getting back to windows would be a long 2 days at least.. someone should make a compatability program for windows that assures you that all your hardware will work under debian before you install it
1698 [13:33:28] <tremolo> zOthix: What is CCG?
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1700 [13:33:33] <mdlpe> hi, i try to install debian 9 on my laptop but the touchpad doesn't works
1701 [13:33:38] <zOthix> A compiler
1702 [13:33:55] <coke> gcc maybe?
1703 [13:34:18] <zOthix> ye that xD
1704 [13:35:00] <coke> apt-get install build-essential
1705 [13:35:02] <tremolo> apt-get install gcc
1706 [13:35:09] <tremolo> or that
1707 [13:35:32] <zOthix> Thanks!
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1710 [13:37:26] <teraflops> mdlpe: stretch uses libinput, so check if the device is detected and (if yes) which options are listed/enabled/disabled, you can enable disable things on the fly using xinput
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1722 [13:41:46] <ForceRecon> may I ask if someone can just take a gander at these images and see if anything stands out that might not function in stretch? - replaced-url
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1730 [13:45:02] <mdlpe> teraflops: can I do that when I install it ?
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1732 [13:46:01] <ForceRecon> is there a live stretch dvd yet?
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1736 [13:47:38] <kabo> Hi, I followed the guide on how to configure a laptop to not suspend when you close the lid
1737 [13:47:47] <kabo> But now systemd-logind is taking 100% cpu
1738 [13:48:04] <kabo> and I have heaps of these in my auth.log replaced-url
1739 [13:48:10] <tremolo> ForceRecon: like this? replaced-url
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1741 [13:48:33] <kabo> The command I ran: sudo systemctl mask sleep.target suspend.target hibernate.target hybrid-sleep.target
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1743 [13:50:07] <ForceRecon> tremolo: Thanks I was there but for the replaced-url
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1751 [13:52:17] <kabo> Anyone know how to fix it?
1752 [13:52:50] <tremolo> kabo: From the manual for systemctl/mask: "Mask one or more units, as specified on the command line. This will link these unit files to /dev/null, making it impossible to start them."
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1754 [13:53:14] <tremolo> I'm not sure, but I think you might want to unmask suspend.target
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1757 [13:53:39] <kabo> ok... and just disable them instead of masking them?
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1762 [13:54:31] <tremolo> Well, I think it needs to use suspend.target in order to suspend.
1763 [13:54:40] <Haohmaru> so i've installed debian8.8 32bit onto a 7GB flash stick, and it works fine.. i also got a few other flash sticks of the same model, and i thought i can just clone them.. so i made a .img of the original with dd, and then used dd to copy that .img onto another flash stick.. i plug it into the same machine that ran this and after grub it says "initramfs unpacking failed: uncompression error ...
1764 [13:54:40] <Haohmaru> kernel panic .." and doesn
1765 [13:54:42] <tremolo> It's been a while since I've played with this.
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1767 [13:54:49] <Haohmaru> ..doesn't work
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1770 [13:55:17] <kabo> tremolo: well the point of the whole thing is to have it not suspend
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1772 [13:55:26] <kabo> I'm using it as a server
1773 [13:55:39] <Haohmaru> should this sort of thing work in theory? cloning the installation from one flash stick onto another one.. or did i do something wrong.. maybe with dd..
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1775 [13:55:52] <Haohmaru> the original flash stick still boots up as normal
1776 [13:56:24] <teraflops> Haohmaru: check if your dd went fine.
1777 [13:56:30] <Haohmaru> how?
1778 [13:56:34] * tremolo takes a -2 to reading comprehension before coffee.
1779 [13:57:07] <Haohmaru> teraflops i was using conv=sync,noerror <- should i remove the "noerror" part?
1780 [13:57:08] <teraflops> Haohmaru: fsck, or dd again with lower BS=
1781 [13:57:32] <Haohmaru> i used bs=512 first, then 4096
1782 [13:57:40] <aryan> hey guys
1783 [13:57:43] <tremolo> Haohmaru: or sha1sum the disks
1784 [13:57:58] <aryan> whats going on
1785 [13:58:08] <tremolo> kabo: What does your /etc/systemd/logind.conf look like?
1786 [13:58:20] <Haohmaru> btw, i did not copy the last gigabyte, because it's unallocated space
1787 [13:58:28] <teraflops> Haohmaru: you cannot blame a thing not booting after doing DD and telling it: do no stop if I find an error…
1788 [13:58:57] <tremolo> Haohmaru: Then don't sha1sum the disks.
1789 [13:59:07] <aryan> uhh how do we switch channels on hexchat? first time on here
1790 [13:59:08] <teraflops> Haohmaru: yeah what a mess …
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1793 [13:59:48] <kabo> tremolo: replaced-url
1794 [14:00:00] <Haohmaru> i made the .img with arguments so it only includes the first ~6GB, which includes the MBR, the ext4 partition, and the swap partition, but not the unallocated space after that
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1797 [14:00:26] <zOthix> how to run a c program after writing it down and saving it
1798 [14:00:40] <zOthix> in gcc
1799 [14:00:43] <Haohmaru> or should i just dd the whole /dev/sdb without "count" arguments?
1800 [14:01:03] <Haohmaru> blah.. i'll try
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1803 [14:01:21] <kabo> HandleLidSwitch=ignore perhaps?
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1805 [14:01:57] <zOthix> how to run a c program after writing it down and saving it
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1815 [14:03:20] <maxxe> stretch close! ;)
1816 [14:03:20] <tremolo> and uncomment it
1817 [14:03:27] <kabo> tremolo: yeah that seems to have worked.
1818 [14:03:37] <kabo> sweet, thanks for pointing me in the right direction
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1821 [14:04:12] <tremolo> Yeah, sorry I misunderstood at first.
1822 [14:04:13] <xochilpili> hi all
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1825 [14:05:47] <Thraul> Does anyone know what time the release starts for stretch? I would like to follow what is happening in the IRC channels #debian-release etc for curiosity sake
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1829 [14:06:37] <xochilpili> i have installed debian with dual boot using fedora with grub2 installed using UEFI, but when i finished installed debian, i reboot into fedora, use os-probe && grub-mkconfig -o /boot/grub2/efi/EFI/grub.cfg, then i have reboot and boot from debian but i got this error: gave up waiting for root device /dev/dm-2 not found
1830 [14:06:46] <xochilpili> is there a way to fix this?
1831 [14:07:04] <xochilpili> ihave installed debian with lvm and no grub or lilo
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1859 [14:23:44] <aryan> hey
1860 [14:23:59] <aryan> anyone on?
1861 [14:24:03] <tremolo> sure
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1863 [14:25:26] <aryan> I need some horelp with t
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1865 [14:25:30] <aryan> with tor
1866 [14:25:50] <aryan> I need some help with tor*
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1869 [14:26:40] <xochilpili> aryan, just ask
1870 [14:26:47] <tremolo> I'm not actually familiar with tor.
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1872 [14:27:44] <aryan> nvm
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1878 [14:31:00] <tremolo> xochilpili: It sounds like you need to specify a root other than /dev/dm-2, but I'm not sure what the right value would be.
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1880 [14:31:30] <jelly> xochilpili: boot fedora again, pastebin the output of "lsblk" and "blkid", run as root
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1888 [14:34:26] <tw> debian style is /dev/mapper/volumegroupname--vg-volname ; the vgname is often the short hostname. for example, my fs root device arg is root=/dev/mapper/oculus3--vg-root
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1891 [14:34:49] <tw> it's important to note that those dmXXX devices aren't necessarily probed in the same order every time.
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1896 [14:38:12] <ForceRecon> thats a first.. downloaded live testing iso.. went to burn with brasero and it failed at the end
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1901 [14:38:55] <ForceRecon> Something went wrong
1902 [14:38:55] <ForceRecon> BraseroLibburn called brasero_job_error
1903 [14:38:55] <ForceRecon> BraseroLibburn finished with an error
1904 [14:38:56] <jelly> tw: those two -- are there when your vg or lv has a - in its name
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1906 [14:39:28] <ForceRecon> An error occurred while writing to disc (brasero_burn_record brasero-burn.c:2856)
1907 [14:39:28] <jelly> tw: so you have a VG named "oculus3-vg" and a lv names "root" in it
1908 [14:39:33] <ForceRecon> bad disc?
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1911 [14:41:23] <aryan> hello
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1914 [14:41:36] <ForceRecon> aryan: hello
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1922 [14:45:28] <Haohmaru> well, nope, after writing to flashstick2, sha1sum doesn't match
1923 [14:45:29] <xochilpili> jelly, here: replaced-url
1924 [14:46:00] <xochilpili> jelly, blkid empty output
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1937 [14:48:24] <aryan> Installing tor browser right now, I keep getting the same error, "Error Starting download: User timeout caused the connection failure. Are you connected to the internet?" Anyone have any tips?
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1942 [14:50:30] <jelly> xochilpili: so I guess you could edit the grub menu entry and in the linux ... line put "root=/dev/mapper/conflictive--vg-root" instead of root=whatever you have now, then try to boot
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1944 [14:51:20] <jelly> or not
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1952 [14:55:01] <tw> That I didn't know, but makes a lot of sense.
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1990 [15:11:53] <xochilpili> jelly, i have just edited cfg file from fedora, and now it works
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1992 [15:12:57] <ForceRecon> what is localisation support
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2003 [15:14:00] <Haohmaru> ForceRecon it's the mechanism for a given program or whole OS to be translated to some language
2004 [15:14:21] <ForceRecon> when I am testing stretch live dvd what option should I choose> the first? the 2nd option says with localisation support..
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2009 [15:14:37] <Hex__> Hi
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2012 [15:16:29] <Haohmaru> localisation.. a horror
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2017 [15:19:26] <ForceRecon> no matter what machine i put linux on I continue to get this software rendering mode.. how do I fix this from the get go?>
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2019 [15:20:56] <teraflops> ForceRecon: you keep being vague, the less information you give the less help youll receive
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2021 [15:22:27] <ForceRecon> there really isnt more to that then I am telling you.. when the machine boots each time, main screen comes up.. pop says Running in Software Rendering Mode. This could be a problem with your drivers or something else. you only use this mode for troubleshooting
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2024 [15:22:46] <ForceRecon> there is nothing more I can give you.. its just there
2025 [15:22:51] <jelly> ForceRecon: are you using live image with firmware or without? recent graphic cards all need fw for complete support even with free drivers, maybe you're hitting that
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2027 [15:23:23] <tremolo> ForceRecon: What is your graphics card?
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2029 [15:24:00] <ForceRecon> jelly: gtx 980 8g
2030 [15:24:08] <ForceRecon> nvidia
2031 [15:24:20] <teraflops> ForceRecon: there is a bit much more you can tell, so people do not have to start questioning you as they are doing right now
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2033 [15:24:49] <ForceRecon> teraflops: if I knew what to tell you more I would.. so sorry I cannot be more informative
2034 [15:24:50] <jelly> ForceRecon: it's possible that thing is not supported for 3d in nouveau at all
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2036 [15:25:26] <ForceRecon> I don't want 3d.. you think this is referring to that?
2037 [15:25:44] <jelly> that's exactly what it's referring to
2038 [15:25:55] <jelly> Gnome uses 3d by default
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2041 [15:26:12] <jelly> refering*
2042 [15:26:25] <jelly> Curse you, http protocol.
2043 [15:26:41] <ForceRecon> replaced-url
2044 [15:27:10] <ForceRecon> so just ignore it? or install nvidia drivers
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2051 [15:28:20] <jelly> ForceRecon: just ignore it in live. You can't easily install nvidia drivers there because they require a reboot
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2054 [15:28:31] <ForceRecon> okay thanks..
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2060 [15:29:33] <tw> maxwell-series NV cards are supported by nouveau, but I've no idea what driver version is on the livecd.
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2066 [15:29:59] <dionysus69> what does it indicate when my icmp_sequence number jumps from 15 to 25 lets say, I am missing 10 replies?
2067 [15:30:13] <dionysus69> so there is a lag in ping and after some time I get 25th
2068 [15:30:14] <tw> dionysus69: exactly that.
2069 [15:30:39] <tw> not lag, dropped replies.
2070 [15:30:41] <dionysus69> how can I troubleshoot this? i am using local windows server as dns to find clients over openvpn
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2072 [15:31:09] <Hex__> I installed fresh Debian 8 today on my Laptop Lenovo b590, but unfortunately couldn't detecting my wifi, I tried to fixed this issue, but couldn't fixed that
2073 [15:31:16] <jelly> it's a networking issue, you troubleshoot the network between two endpoints
2074 [15:31:28] <dionysus69> I really need to resolve this, who knows what else maybe dropping, and I dont get it why it works half of the time, dropps 10 and then resumes works for 10 and again drops... :S
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2076 [15:31:35] <dionysus69> jelly: can you help ? :D
2077 [15:31:44] <dionysus69> I am not good at networking :S
2078 [15:31:52] <jelly> I can point you to ##networking channel
2079 [15:32:00] <dionysus69> knew that was coming :D
2080 [15:32:11] <dionysus69> thanks anyway :)
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2087 [15:33:10] <ForceRecon> kinda makes it hard to test.. only one screen works.. no wireless... can't install anything for live and don't want to install since I am not sure I can get it to work on my own
2088 [15:33:13] <ForceRecon> tuogh call
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2090 [15:34:45] <mtn> ForceRecon: can you make a partition on the hard drive to test the installation?
2091 [15:35:08] <jelly> ForceRecon: are you using live image with firmware or the normal one? wireless usually needs firmware
2092 [15:35:16] <jelly> !firmware live
2093 [15:35:16] <dpkg> Unofficial <live> images - containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for using Debian 8 "jessie" as a live OS are available under replaced-url
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2095 [15:36:20] <jelly> go a couple directories up to replaced-url
2096 [15:36:23] <ForceRecon> I am testing stretch
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2098 [15:37:27] <ForceRecon> replaced-url
2099 [15:37:37] <ForceRecon> I think thats it
2100 [15:37:47] <ForceRecon> I will try that one
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2112 [15:44:12] <ForceRecon> I thought I read something about multiarch
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2119 [15:47:42] <petn-randall> ForceRecon: That isn't a live image, though. That's the stretch rc5 installer.
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2125 [15:48:40] <ForceRecon> interesting.. thanks
2126 [15:48:43] <ForceRecon> reading on it now
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2133 [15:52:58] <xochilpili> is there a way to remove icons from desktop?
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2135 [15:54:11] <mtn> xochilpili: most likely. which desktop are you using? gnome?
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2137 [15:54:41] <xochilpili> mtn, mate
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2139 [15:55:51] <mtn> xochilpili: replaced-url
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2143 [15:57:38] <jelly> ForceRecon: sorry, live images are in weekly-live-builds/ probably
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2150 [16:00:36] <Aebian> hmm I always press ALT + G for about 2 seconds and then I can enter the command mode in vi. I guess there should be a better way? Keyboard layout is en_NA
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2153 [16:01:03] <petemc> esc ?
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2156 [16:01:33] <Aebian> indeed lol thx
2157 [16:01:54] <Bliepo> When upgrading to stretch, do I need to worry about packages I have installed from backports?
2158 [16:02:26] <shamoanjac> is Stretch out yet?
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2160 [16:02:39] <shamoanjac> Can't wait to finally install it on my main PC
2161 [16:02:53] <ForceRecon> okay.. so there is no way to test machine with firmware live dvd
2162 [16:02:57] <ForceRecon> hmmm
2163 [16:03:03] <Bliepo> No, it's not out yet
2164 [16:03:10] <Bliepo> 17th I think?
2165 [16:03:25] <ForceRecon> Grrrr.. I want it now ;)
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2167 [16:03:46] <Bliepo> Well, it is in feature freeze already, so should be fairly stable
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2169 [16:03:52] <ForceRecon> I hope it comes out Friday.. I can work on it all weekend
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2171 [16:05:43] <Bliepo> I just hope upgrading goes without an issue
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2173 [16:06:47] <ForceRecon> you and me both.. Going to wipe out my entire machine in hopes this all works properly.. Should be fun, can't wait :)
2174 [16:06:53] <jelly> ForceRecon: how did you come from "pick iso in different directory" to "there is no way to test"
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2176 [16:07:02] <simpledat> Im using OpenVPN via command line to connect to my VPN on my current Linux distro. My problem is, I can't find any way to add a killswitch or prevent fallback to my default connection when the VPN goes out. Basically, I want to find a simple method to prevent my VPN to fallback to default connection if it goes out. I just want my connection to be dead until the VPN connection is restored?
2177 [16:07:17] <jelly> ForceRecon: replaced-url
2178 [16:07:32] <mtn> ForceRecon: why don't you test it on the hard drive? in a seperate partition
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2180 [16:08:02] <xochilpili> how can i list all installed packages ?
2181 [16:08:04] <ForceRecon> jelly: the live dvd does not have firmware, the one we discussed is just an installer.. well I could do that..
2182 [16:08:15] <tamiko> simpledat: Remove the default rout over the default connection and only add a specific route to your VPN server.
2183 [16:08:17] <jelly> > ForceRecon: sorry, live images are in weekly-live-builds/ probably
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2185 [16:08:56] <High_Priest> xochilpili, dpkg -l
2186 [16:09:11] <xochilpili> thanks!
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2188 [16:09:32] <ForceRecon> I am going to install a second drive and reattempt.. However, since there is only 3 days till release.. I think I might just wait and then continue to use stetch in my vmware session just to keep working in it
2189 [16:09:35] <tamiko> simpledat: If you want to be a bit more fancy, you can also create an alternative routing table (only using the VPN connection) and mark all connections of a specific user to use that table (google for "policy routing iptables").
2190 [16:09:40] <ForceRecon> thanks though for all the support and help and advice..
2191 [16:09:44] <ForceRecon> gonna be good
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2197 [16:12:08] <xochilpili> how can i know what version of gtk im using ?
2198 [16:14:12] <darme> if i want to do some customizations to my.cnf for mariadb i should directly edit /etc/mysql/my.cnf?
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2204 [16:15:56] <darme> /etc/ysql/my.cnf is actually soft link to /etc/alternatives/my.cnf
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2206 [16:16:23] <Hex__> Guys I did this but not any clue replaced-url
2207 [16:16:38] <Hex__> would please help me out of this
2208 [16:17:07] <ForceRecon> apt-cache show transmission-gtk
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2210 [16:17:41] <ForceRecon> libgtk-3-0 (>= 3.3.16)
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2213 [16:22:07] <galex-713> Do someone know if there’s an agar.io free-software client?
2214 [16:22:16] <galex-713> or at least an agar.io-like free-software game?
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2219 [16:24:58] <Haohmaru> i'm failing to write the .img onto fresh new usb sticks.. dafuq!
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2221 [16:25:18] <Haohmaru> one of them even stopped working
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2235 [16:30:01] <xochilpili> i have installed debian with mate, but what kind of theme i should download from gnome-look ? for gtk or gnome ?
2236 [16:30:03] <Haohmaru> is it common for a decent-looking flash stick to stop working?
2237 [16:30:06] <xochilpili> is mate using gnome?
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2240 [16:30:33] <cusco> hello floks
2241 [16:30:46] <Haohmaru> floks :>
2242 [16:30:48] <mtn> xochilpili: no, mate is not gnome
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2246 [16:32:08] <xochilpili> mtn, but what kind of theme i need to download, i have downloaded a gtk3 theme but everything messed up
2247 [16:32:25] <mtn> xochilpili: mate uses gtk2, if I recall
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2249 [16:33:09] <xochilpili> mtn, ok let me try
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2254 [16:33:47] <cusco> so.. I'm in big trouble with grub and booting the system...
2255 [16:33:55] <Sukha> /msg NickServ REGISTER root Sukhmander540@gmail.com
2256 [16:34:07] <cusco> basically, we have 4 disks with mdadm raid 10
2257 [16:34:39] <cusco> and we replaced all four disks.. with larger disks (the last one is synching in mdadm now)
2258 [16:35:02] <cusco> the trouble is.. we have a regular legacy bios.. and we moved to GPT in the disks.. because partition size issues
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2261 [16:35:34] <cusco> now in dowing this we've created a extra small partition and flagged it with "bios_grub"
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2263 [16:36:05] <cusco> now I'm having trouble booting with grub... it drops to a grub rescue
2264 [16:36:22] <cusco> im not sure if grub-install is installing stuff on that small partition
2265 [16:36:47] <Bliepo> The easiest way to solve this would probably be using a seperate msdos formatted disk for the boot partition
2266 [16:36:59] <Hex__> Would please take look at this link replaced-url
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2269 [16:37:15] <cusco> Bliepo: don't have any more disk slots
2270 [16:37:35] <Hex__> I'm trying to install wifi card but doesn't worked
2271 [16:37:38] <cusco> right now im booting from a usb live linux drive, and chrooting
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2273 [16:38:18] <tw> cusco: Did you change the mdraid metadata format when you created the new raid10?
2274 [16:38:23] <Bliepo> cusco: replaced-url
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2276 [16:38:37] <tremolo> Hex__: Looks like the packages you want aren't on the media you have. Might want to add a network mirror.
2277 [16:38:47] <jhutchins_wk> cusco: You should be able to build a usb with /boot on it and use that, but get creative! I've used double-sided tape to mount drives.
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2281 [16:39:19] <cusco> tw i'm not remembering mdraid metadata.. or the raid process... mdadm assembles easely (from live OS) and in grub rescue I can see (md/0)
2282 [16:39:25] <cusco> thou I canot list its contents
2283 [16:39:35] <Hex__> How can I do this tremolo ?
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2289 [16:40:50] <tremolo> Hex__: Something like this: echo "deb replaced-url
2290 [16:40:59] <tremolo> then: apt-get update
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2292 [16:41:10] <Hex__> thanks I'll do now
2293 [16:41:15] <tremolo> made a typo
2294 [16:41:26] <tremolo> echo "deb replaced-url
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2296 [16:41:37] <tremolo> not sources/list
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2299 [16:42:21] <jhutchins_wk> Hex__: I don't see the problem. The first part of your paste appears to show wlan0 up with an address.
2300 [16:42:24] <tw> cusco: linux speaks more metadata formats than grub does. may want to check that mdadm --detail shows a either 0.9 or 1.0 superblock format.
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2303 [16:43:03] <jhutchins_wk> Hex__: Also appears from the packet count to be passing traffic.
2304 [16:43:04] <tw> but if grub rescule is showing md/0, I'd think you're good
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2307 [16:44:13] <cusco> jhutchins_wk: its not about slots or boot by use. i would rather make it work properly. I guess i could use a usb /boot yes, but I would rather avoid it!!
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2310 [16:44:51] <cusco> tw: from mdadm detail, where do I find the superblock format?
2311 [16:45:13] <cusco> tw: replaced-url
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2313 [16:45:33] <Hex__> jhutchins_wk I already connected Alfa dongle by USB
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2316 [16:46:43] <tw> cusco: Version : 1.2
2317 [16:46:43] <cusco> so.. I also tried removing grub packages, re-installing
2318 [16:46:50] <cusco> ah that version, ok
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2320 [16:47:15] <cusco> i'm not sure how to check if /dev/sda1 (flagged with bios grub) has grub stuff in it
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2323 [16:47:26] <cusco> nor if grub tries to find it at boot time
2324 [16:47:42] <tw> there's a linux raid channel here, but I can't remember the name of it. There might be some magic you can do without rebuilding everything.
2325 [16:48:07] <cusco> tw grub was booting from raid fine before, the thing now is I moved from MBR to GPT
2326 [16:48:27] <cusco> ok taking a look at Bliepo's link now
2327 [16:48:37] <tw> well maybe I'm out of date then.
2328 [16:49:53] <Hex__> tremolo would please take look at link again replaced-url
2329 [16:50:18] <Hex__> I did that but doesn't worked again
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2334 [16:51:14] <tremolo> After adding the deb line to sources.list, you need to do: apt-get update
2335 [16:51:26] <Hex__> ok
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2345 [16:56:20] <cusco> ok so I guess grub-install does use the small partition with bios_grub flag
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2365 [17:06:01] <darme> how to know which file i should configure, so updates wont break my changes?
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2367 [17:06:20] <darme> im talking about mariadb configuration
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2370 [17:07:12] <cusco> darme: you can place custom configurations in conf.d folder
2371 [17:07:16] <cusco> so in /etc/mysql/conf.d/
2372 [17:08:10] <jhutchins_wk> darme: The apt system is designed not to overwrite configuration files that have been changed.
2373 [17:08:44] <jhutchins_wk> darme: Most package managers at least ask before they update a config file.
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2398 [17:23:35] <Hex__> tremolo thanks, I already installed that package but my wifi doesn't works
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2400 [17:25:04] <jhutchins_wk> Hex__: It sure looked like your wifi was working in your paste.
2401 [17:25:44] <Hex__> That's Alfa card I connected with USB
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2407 [17:26:45] <Hex__> jhutchins_wk my laptop card is this "Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM43142 802.11b/g/n (rev 01) "
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2418 [17:31:11] <Hex__> Guys would please take look at the link replaced-url
2419 [17:31:30] <Hex__> and tell me any idea for this?
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2431 [17:36:19] <tremolo> Hex__: Have you looked at this? replaced-url
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2433 [17:37:08] <Hex__> yes
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2436 [17:39:10] <Hex__> I'll check again, because I checked before adding that to list
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2441 [17:42:46] <haylon> Can/Does InSpec inherit the attributes from a cookbook, if being ran for cookbook testing?
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2444 [17:44:24] <jelly> haylon: was that meant for #debian
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2446 [17:44:29] <Hex__> tremolo Thanks
2447 [17:44:33] <haylon> err.
2448 [17:44:40] <Hex__> it's working now tremolo
2449 [17:44:43] <haylon> woops. thought I clicked on the wrong one.
2450 [17:44:46] <tremolo> Awesome
2451 [17:44:54] <Hex__> Thanks mate
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2453 [17:45:00] <tremolo> No problem
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2475 [17:55:50] <cusco> hey, so my problem with grub is actually the following: replaced-url
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2477 [17:56:01] <cusco> "found two disks with the index 0 for raid md/0"
2478 [17:56:08] <cusco> and "unknown filesystem"
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2480 [17:56:16] <cusco> not really sure about this
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2500 [18:03:55] <JordiGH> There's a Python pip package I need to install system-wide. There's some tool somewhere that will build an ad-hoc .deb out of it, isn't there?
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2502 [18:05:09] <ntz> hello
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2504 [18:05:45] <ntz> in deb 7.11 is /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules generated, correct ?
2505 [18:06:09] <greycat> yes.
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2509 [18:08:22] <ntz> okay, thanks ....
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2524 [18:13:25] <gabluc> Probably answered many times but, if I install Stretch via RC installer now I won't have to reinstall again on stable release?
2525 [18:13:53] <jelly> gabluc: nope, you can just patch it up, but there may be minor differences in the end result
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2534 [18:16:54] <gabluc> jelly: It won't affect system stability?
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2537 [18:17:59] <jelly> it's hard to tell in advance what specific changes are going to be made between now and then
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2540 [18:18:50] <jelly> so, probably not, gabluc, unless you hit some specific last minute issue
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2543 [18:19:12] <greycat> A reinstall between current-testing and stretch-release would be extremely silly.
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2550 [18:20:58] <gabluc> greycat: there are moments in life when your brain is scratched by silly questions
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2553 [18:21:28] <niko1990> Hello everyone =)
2554 [18:21:40] <greycat> One of Debian's strong points is that you never need to reinstall it unless you go out of your way to break it.
2555 [18:21:58] <greycat> There are systems that were installed decades ago, and simply upgraded every couple years.
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2557 [18:22:55] <JordiGH> That seems so quaint now.
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2560 [18:23:14] <sbef98> 1
2561 [18:23:16] <JordiGH> In this age of Docker VM server blades and replaceable data centres, the OS seems so disposable.
2562 [18:23:37] <JordiGH> Why upgrade Debian when you can just buy new hardware.
2563 [18:23:55] <sbef98> because i am too poor to buy new hardware
2564 [18:24:02] <sbef98> that's really simple
2565 [18:24:04] <pspk> Hello everyone !
2566 [18:24:04] <JordiGH> Not Google enough.
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2569 [18:25:06] <greycat> I tried using a VM once. Every time I copied a GB or so of data across the network interface, it stopped networking. Entirely. So I gave up.
2570 [18:25:22] <JordiGH> You also have "grey" in your username.
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2574 [18:25:57] <JordiGH> Get with the times, gramps.
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2579 [18:27:22] <ForceRecon> Good Afternoon
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2581 [18:27:50] * bezaban still doesn't have his workstation or laptop in a container, vm, on a blade or in a dc.
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2585 [18:28:54] <petn-randall> bezaban: I just yell shell commands at my phone and Siri executes it on my server for me.
2586 [18:28:56] <jelly> JordiGH: both are means to the same end, keeping services runnig. If your services are cloudy and horizontally scalable, sure, treat single installations as disposable
2587 [18:29:52] <jelly> whatever works for you to optimize for least downtime and/or least admin (= MY!) time spent
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2589 [18:31:12] <bezaban> petn-randall: should get a dot and do the same!
2590 [18:31:38] <bezaban> computer, ls -l
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2602 [18:34:11] <Haohmaru> how can i access a file which is located onto a samba ntfs share, from console (dd or ddrescue) ?
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2604 [18:34:43] <Haohmaru> would something like //server/location/file work or do i have to "mount" the share onto a local folder first?
2605 [18:34:49] <jelly> Haohmaru: a share on a remote computer?
2606 [18:35:02] <Haohmaru> yes, it's on another debian
2607 [18:35:19] <jelly> you need to mount it yes
2608 [18:35:22] <Haohmaru> i see the folder/file with pcmanfm
2609 [18:35:27] <Haohmaru> okay
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2611 [18:36:35] <Haohmaru> something like this: "mount -t cifs //the/windows/sharename /the/linux/mountpoint" ?
2612 [18:37:06] <Haohmaru> i only need this temporarily, so i don't need it permanently like with fstab
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2619 [18:38:07] <tremolo> Haohmaru: mount.cifs //$HOST/$SHARE $MOUNTPOINT
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2621 [18:38:22] <tremolo> Is what I have in my history
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2623 [18:38:47] <tremolo> I think you can also use smbclient without mounting if you just want to grab a file or two.
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2626 [18:39:35] <Haohmaru> no, i'm doing this from a live usb stick, i don't have the luxury to copy the 7GB iso locally
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2632 [18:40:13] <tremolo> Fair enough
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2637 [18:40:43] <fun> Any movie fan?
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2641 [18:41:22] <SuperSeriousCat> No
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2654 [18:48:29] <Haohmaru> can't get mount.cifs to work because apt-get fails to obtain some packages
2655 [18:48:36] <Haohmaru> grrr
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2663 [18:49:49] <jelly> Haohmaru: don't forget to apt-get update
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2669 [18:53:12] <jelly> Haohmaru: if your server is linux with ssh you can avoid cifs and just use sftp (sshfs is a nice sftp client if you want to mount remote stuff)
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2691 [19:00:29] <TyrfingMjolnir> Which source to use for debian 6?
2692 [19:00:37] <Haohmaru> dd if=sftp?
2693 [19:00:46] <TyrfingMjolnir> Choosing those from the installer gives me a red screen
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2695 [19:01:28] <greycat> Debian 6 is archived. You won't be able to get packages during the install. Just finish the install with no sources, then add them afterward.
2696 [19:01:45] <greycat> !squeeze sources.list
2697 [19:01:45] <dpkg> A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" has two lines: "deb replaced-url
2698 [19:02:03] <TyrfingMjolnir> I would like to upgrade do debian 8, can I do this in 1 go?
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2701 [19:02:15] <greycat> No. Have to do one release at a time.
2702 [19:02:20] <UukGoblin> dh_make put "usr/lib/lib*.so.*" in debian/mylib.install, however dh_auto_configure seems to have passed --libdir=${prefix}/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu to ./configure...
2703 [19:02:25] <greycat> Why not simply install Debian 8 directly?
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2705 [19:02:41] <UukGoblin> is this expected? does it make sense?
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2707 [19:02:45] <jelly> Haohmaru: what do you plan to do with dd?
2708 [19:02:52] <francine> 3 days left, I can't wait that looong! D
2709 [19:02:53] <francine> :D
2710 [19:03:33] <Haohmaru> jelly write a iso onto the hdd
2711 [19:03:45] <jhutchins_wk> TyrfingMjolnir: Once the target release goes out of support the chances of a successful upgrade start dropping.
2712 [19:03:52] <Haohmaru> but i managed to mount it with mount.cifs now
2713 [19:04:03] <jelly> UukGoblin: ask in #packaging over on OFTC network if you don't get an answer here. If you package for Debian, you can also ask in #debian-mentors also on OFTC
2714 [19:04:13] <UukGoblin> jelly, thanks
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2720 [19:10:26] <jelly> TyrfingMjolnir: no, you absolutely have to do each release upgrade step one by one. There's code in place to make release upgrades work, and gets removed after one release
2721 [19:11:02] <jelly> jhutchins_wk: out of support doesn't have anything to do with it. It's always from release N to N+1, no skipping
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2725 [19:12:31] <jelly> you can still do debian 5 -> debian 6 even if they're both unsupported
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2727 [19:12:57] <jelly> and in fact I just bumped one very old installation 5->6 and 6->7 last month
2728 [19:14:00] <greycat> (I still don't know why you'd want to install Debian 6 and then immediately upgrade it, vs. installing the newer version in the first place.)
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2730 [19:14:24] <TyrfingMjolnir> Anyone got a link to the x86 net inst for debian 8?
2731 [19:14:30] <greycat> !netinst
2732 [19:14:31] <dpkg> methinks netinst is a small CD image with which you can install Debian. If, during the installation process you have a working Internet connection, you can install more packages straight away, otherwise, you will have a base install and more packages later. See replaced-url
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2735 [19:14:36] <jelly> TyrfingMjolnir: 32bit?
2736 [19:14:41] <TyrfingMjolnir> Got it
2737 [19:14:42] <jhutchins_wk> jelly: One of the difficulties is that if your target isn't current it's hard to get support if you have upgrade problems.
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2741 [19:15:08] <jelly> jhutchins_wk: then you ask here.
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2744 [19:15:25] <TyrfingMjolnir> Now how do I trick this image into the VMWare folder?
2745 [19:15:27] <webuser5224> I just updated Jessie and now I'm upgrading to Stretch, but I guess I lack the proper knowledge to find out if everything was successful.
2746 [19:15:31] <jelly> and you get pointed to very old release notes anyway
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2748 [19:15:45] <jhutchins_wk> I had some trouble on lenny->squeeze after wheezy had been out for a while and I couldn't resolve it. Probably some oddball packages or something.
2749 [19:15:55] <jelly> jhutchins_wk: did you ask in here?
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2751 [19:16:16] <jhutchins_wk> jelly: Yes, I did. Only response I got was "you waited too long to upgrade".
2752 [19:16:38] <jelly> that was a silly response, whoever gave it owns you some beers
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2754 [19:16:44] <jelly> owes*
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2757 [19:17:26] <jhutchins_wk> Clean builds can be a good catharsis too though.
2758 [19:17:47] <jelly> definitely
2759 [19:18:04] <teraflops> nah, what's the point of reinstalling debian every release?
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2761 [19:18:15] <jelly> sometimes not easily avoidable, eg. if you want to switch architectures
2762 [19:18:23] <greycat> Some people have this anal-retentive desire to have everything be *perfect*.
2763 [19:18:34] <teraflops> that corner case is a big corned indeed
2764 [19:18:40] <jelly> teraflops: the point is to see if installer is still as ugly!
2765 [19:18:44] <teraflops> hhe
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2767 [19:19:14] <teraflops> eh, I had to to do clean installs too, but that's the last resort
2768 [19:19:22] <jhutchins_wk> A long chain of upgrades can leave you with a lot of cruft too.
2769 [19:19:23] <teraflops> to/
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2773 [19:20:21] <jelly> nothing like finding pieces of libc5 in 2015.
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2775 [19:20:34] <spacebug^> I had to do a clean install once. Went to Thailand on vacation, came back after two weeks, could not remeber the LUKS password.. or the login password! *facepalm*
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2778 [19:20:59] <jelly> otoh it must have been a great vacation
2779 [19:21:03] <spacebug^> it was :)
2780 [19:21:05] * mtn wonders what happened in Thailand ;)
2781 [19:21:27] <teraflops> spacebug^: yeah you killed a lot of neurons in thailand
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2783 [19:21:51] <spacebug^> Actually I think I finally relaxed
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2785 [19:22:25] <spacebug^> however, all the most important files are encrypted and put in the cloud, and that password I remebered heh
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2787 [19:23:16] <webuser5224> greycat, yes, me! :(
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2789 [19:23:30] <teraflops> I barely remember 6 digits smartcards pins these days :S
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2791 [19:24:07] <spacebug^> teraflops: :) Not like the old days when you kept every friends mobile number in your head
2792 [19:24:13] <teraflops> xD
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2794 [19:24:28] <greycat> In the old days, there were no "mobiles".
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2796 [19:25:21] <spacebug^> greycat: eveyone have different reference frames I guess hehe. (born 1980)
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2838 [19:48:01] <ForceRecon> we had beepers
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2842 [19:48:09] <ForceRecon> and a dime for a phone call
2843 [19:48:32] <greycat> In a few years, you'll get to explain to the kids what a phone booth was.
2844 [19:48:36] <ForceRecon> from a pay phone.. whoa...
2845 [19:48:50] <ForceRecon> those were the days..
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2849 [19:49:26] <ForceRecon> today kids have no clue how to do anything but glue their faces to a electronic device..
2850 [19:49:41] <francine> lol
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2853 [19:50:10] <BluesKaj> heh, not just kids
2854 [19:50:14] <ForceRecon> anyone here using winehq or crossover
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2857 [19:50:19] <jhutchins_wk> ForceRecon: Get off mylawn!
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2860 [19:51:52] <ForceRecon> just putting in the cams.. nothing to see here.
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2862 [19:52:10] <greycat> But your lawn has all those Pokemon on it.
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2876 [19:57:47] <sawgood> Hi: just installed Debian 8.8.0 (from) Net-Install CD ISO .... and I had a few questions ... #1: we cannot SSH into the box as "root" (and) I think we need to make a settings change to allow this ... (any tips)
2877 [19:58:15] <greycat> edit /etc/ssh/sshd_config and turn on the PermitRootLogin option
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2879 [19:58:23] <sawgood> #2: Can you help with a tip on how to make the box (start up) in "runlevel 3" (CLI) and not "runlevel 5" (GUI)
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2882 [19:58:32] <sawgood> greycat: thank you ... cool nick
2883 [19:58:52] <greycat> for #2, systemctl set-default multi-user.target
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2885 [19:59:07] <sawgood> nice ... doing both of those tips now (thanks)!
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2887 [19:59:46] <sawgood> greycat: on a sidebar, does Debian (still not allow) the "root" user to login via the GUI (is this disabled)
2888 [20:00:02] <greycat> I would hope that is still disallowed.
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2890 [20:00:09] <sawgood> yep yep ...
2891 [20:00:16] <sawgood> perfect ...
2892 [20:00:19] <greycat> I'm not a desktop environment user myself.
2893 [20:00:59] <sawgood> yeah: I am returning to Debian after a long break of using just our existing Debian (non GUI) boxes ...
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2900 [20:04:42] <jelly> there're some kids in their 60s here so no, not yet
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2903 [20:05:36] <jhutchins_wk> Does Debian install/start sshd by default?
2904 [20:05:52] <greycat> No, but there's a checkbox option for it in the installer.
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2910 [20:06:59] <ForceRecon> I should start a debian linux user group in my local area.. be kinda nice to get out meet people and figure stuff out together
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2913 [20:07:18] <teraflops> I cannot remember, does it enable the socket when you install it?
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2928 [20:16:31] <jhutchins_wk> ForceRecon: Probabably better to make it general Linux, you'd have a better chance getting a critical mass.
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2944 [20:22:42] <sawgood> greycat: in /etc/ssh/sshd_config the only statement there is: PermitRootLogin wihtout-password (and) it is already uncheckmarked
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2946 [20:23:10] <Lyberta> hi, I'm trying to migrate from VirtualBox to KVM, I've converted my disk image to qcow2 but when I launch it, I get empty Grub menu, I've tried to boot into netinst ISO and go into rescue mode but it can't reinstall grub or launch shell
2947 [20:23:12] <ForceRecon> jhutchins_wk: yeah.. basics from the start..
2948 [20:23:13] <greycat> If you intend to login as root with a password instead of a keypair, then you need it to be "PermitRootLogin yes"
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2950 [20:24:20] <sawgood> yes and later we will add a SSH-key ... this is just to allow system building for now (via) remote SSH stuff
2951 [20:24:42] <greycat> that's fine
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2954 [20:25:07] <teraflops> oh yes it enables the socket unless it's an update an if both was mistakenly enabled it disables the socket
2955 [20:25:08] <sawgood> nice ... and I'm rebooting the box now to see if we are booting into runlevel 3
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2958 [20:25:33] <greycat> systemd doesn't use the word "run level", but the "targets" that it has do serve the same purpose
2959 [20:25:54] <greycat> "graphical.target" corresponds to the old Red Hat run level 5, and "multi-user.target" is RH run level 3
2960 [20:26:05] <greycat> Debian 7 and earlier never had that distinction out of the box.
2961 [20:26:06] <sawgood> right on: and as you know that worked ... we are booting the CLI now (so appreicated)
2962 [20:26:14] <jhutchins_wk> ... which were never really implemented in Debian.
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2967 [20:27:55] <jhutchins_wk> sawgood: So you chose to install the desktop environment even though you're running headless?
2968 [20:27:58] <sawgood> nice ...corresponds to the old Red Hat run level 5, and "multi-user.target" is RH run level 3
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2970 [20:28:19] <sawgood> jhutchins_wk: yes, I did put that on (even) though I could have uncheckmarked it
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2972 [20:28:35] <sawgood> I will in the days ahead (no more) Debian Desktop .... and that should put us at the CLI each time?
2973 [20:28:54] <sawgood> I did it this time because we are going to put a web based app on the box soon (GUI) ...
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2975 [20:29:04] <jhutchins_wk> sawgood: Yes, you set the default.
2976 [20:29:24] <sawgood> yep: with one other addtition: SSH server was added ...
2977 [20:29:34] <greycat> there's also "systemctl get-default" to see the current target
2978 [20:29:58] <teraflops> imho stretch is not that bad at desktop machine
2979 [20:30:04] <jhutchins_wk> sawgood: You wouldn't need a GUI for a web based app.
2980 [20:30:14] <sawgood> I think I also put on "web server" since (by the way) using net-install was so EASY and clean (I knew) I could rebuild it more "naked" later on
2981 [20:30:25] <jhutchins_wk> It's no big deal, we just had a third party build a bunch of servers with Gnome when they're all headless VMs.
2982 [20:30:43] <sawgood> I'm just so glad the net-install .ISO for 8.8.0 was clean, fast, simple, and worked well (2 different boxes)
2983 [20:30:43] <jhutchins_wk> I suspect they're windows guys who can't admin without a GUI.
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2987 [20:31:18] <knstn> Debian 9 is still on system V?
2988 [20:31:28] <greycat> Debian 8 and 9 use systemd by default.
2989 [20:31:35] <jhutchins_wk> knstn: Not by default.
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2992 [20:32:23] <knstn> that's bad, i read about systemd and find it unnecessary complex
2993 [20:32:45] <greycat> You can switch to sysvinit if you prefer that.
2994 [20:33:16] <greycat> dpkg stretch sysvinit
2995 [20:33:16] <dpkg> To replace systemd with sysvinit in stretch, simply "apt-get install sysvinit-core" and reboot. To switch from systemd to runit, "apt-get install runit-systemd", reboot, "apt-get install runit-init", and reboot again.
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2998 [20:34:04] <sawgood> one funy thing happened: during net-install: which will grab an IP via DHCP (during the install) ... but in this case: the box doing this (had) no access to a DHCP server (the DHCP server is off) (but) yet the box still got an IP (and) completed the install (so my guess was) that the DHCP server had IPv4 OFF but maybe IPv6 for DHCP was still on
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3000 [20:34:25] <tw> Are the package maintainers supporting both sysvinit and systemd, or do a lot of packages drop sysvinit?
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3003 [20:35:04] <jhutchins_wk> tw: So far there seem to be more packages that only support SysV.
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3006 [20:35:35] <greycat> I don't know how the situation plays out for *every* package, but the common ones will have both systemd unit files and init.d boot scripts.
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3008 [20:35:48] <greycat> E.g. openssh-server has /etc/init.d/ssh and /lib/systemd/system/ssh.service
3009 [20:35:57] <jhutchins_wk> tw: Upstream is likely to remain at least compatible, because there are distributions that do not use systemd.
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3011 [20:36:14] <teraflops> really? I see an apache systemd unit on stretch, there wasnt any on jessie
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3013 [20:36:30] <greycat> Yes, apache2 on jessie wasn't systemd ready yet.
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3016 [20:37:16] <tw> Huh, I should set up a VM with sysvinit. Systemd has worked fine so far though. It took me a while to fix my log parsers but not that long.
3017 [20:37:21] <jhutchins_wk> Isn't there some mechanism whereby systemd can create a unit file from the LSB info in an init file?
3018 [20:37:31] <teraflops> I definitely give a try to runit on a stretch machine
3019 [20:37:31] <greycat> ereplaced-url
3020 [20:37:41] <greycat> I would not use an init.d file as the basis for ANYTHING
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3022 [20:38:27] <ForceRecon> well I tried the iso with firmware and non free.. jessie.. wireless works but still sees monitor as a laptop screen for some reason and I can't do anything about it.. hmmmph
3023 [20:38:37] <ForceRecon> gonna have to really dig on this one
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3027 [20:38:54] <ForceRecon> next week.. new drive.. dual boot try to get it working
3028 [20:39:11] <jhutchins_wk> ForceRecon: In what way does it "see it as a laptop screen"?
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3030 [20:40:12] <ForceRecon> when you go into display it actually says LAPTOP and the resolution is only 1024x768
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3032 [20:40:42] <hid3> Hello everyone. My Debian box is connected to a smart switch. The problem is that upon system bootup, it takes quite a long before the switch port and my NIC initialises the link and DHCP gives IP... However, as systemd starts all the services at once, lots of services fail because "cannot bind to specified address", as the IP address is not yet ready. Is there any way to workaround it?
3033 [20:40:50] <ForceRecon> its a Nvidia GeForce GTX 980
3034 [20:41:00] <ForceRecon> three 24" monitors on it..
3035 [20:41:05] <hid3> I mean, I need somehow to insert a 15-20 seconds pause after networking start before proceeding to start other services...
3036 [20:41:24] <frostie_> i have just created a new partition and i want to merge it with the / partition to make it bigger, how do i do that?
3037 [20:41:36] <jhutchins_wk> hid3: Which release?
3038 [20:41:41] <towo`> ForceRecon, you need the recent nvidia binary driver
3039 [20:41:46] <greycat> hid3: first thing, if you use /etc/network/interfaces and not N-M, make sure the line says "auto eth0" and not "allow-hotplug eth0"
3040 [20:41:46] <teraflops> tw: hmm journalctl have nice features, apart from being binary crap (paraphrasing linus the finnish the volcano)
3041 [20:42:01] <jhutchins_wk> frostie_: Do you have data that you need to keep on /?
3042 [20:42:03] <jelly> hid3: sounds like a bug or two, but still, what kinds of services do you run on a system that has a dynamic ip address from dhcp?
3043 [20:42:04] <hid3> jh001: 9.0
3044 [20:42:09] <frostie_> no
3045 [20:42:23] <frostie_> i have that on another partition
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3048 [20:42:36] <jhutchins_wk> frostie_: Is it LVM?
3049 [20:42:37] <hellyeah> anyone here use youtube-dl?
3050 [20:42:41] <teraflops> many
3051 [20:42:41] <frostie_> no
3052 [20:42:43] <jelly> !anyone
3053 [20:42:43] <dpkg> Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
3054 [20:43:02] <jelly> !ask
3055 [20:43:02] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
3056 [20:43:39] <hellyeah> do you know how to download a playlist from youtube with youtube-dl? i tried that command but doesnt work " youtube-dl -cit -t --extract-audio --audio-format mp3". Any suggestion?
3057 [20:43:40] <hid3> jelly: it's not dynamic, but assigned by provider via DHCP (no, I can't configure it statically because they somehow monitor network ports and make them go down if no dhcp requests are made). The services which don't start are smbd, openvpn and nginx
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3059 [20:44:41] <greycat> hid3: auto vs. allow-hotplug is extremely important, as many of the scripts that try to detect whether the network is up or not only process interfaces that are listed with "auto"
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3061 [20:44:46] <hid3> greycat: yes, this system uses /etc/network/interfaces. All the interfaces are described as 'auto' and not allow-hotplug
3062 [20:44:50] <tw> teraflops: I like per service following, that's come in handy more than once.
3063 [20:44:57] <frostie_> i didnt find any option in gparted to merge partitions, only create new ones format them or resize/move them and so on
3064 [20:45:08] <MickyW> !popcon
3065 [20:45:09] <dpkg> somebody said popcon was the Debian Popularity contest, the basis for what packages appear on the first few CDs/DVDs etc (by rank). Install the popularity-contest package to participate. See the results at replaced-url
3066 [20:45:29] <greycat> hid3: OK, then the next thing is top add local systemd drop-in config snippets that say "this service has to wait for network-online.target"
3067 [20:45:33] <hid3> technically upopn system boot the interface might be up, but the IP from DHCP is not ready yet, that's why some services fail to start, which bind to that IP....
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3069 [20:46:03] <ForceRecon> jhutchins_wk: config = replaced-url
3070 [20:46:11] <jelly> hid3: that's a weird definition of interface being up
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3073 [20:46:15] <hid3> hm... yeah, that's what I'm thinking should be done, unfortunately not sure how to do that. I was familias with init system but not systemd
3074 [20:46:16] <jhutchins_wk> frostie_: You can only expand a partition if the new space is adjacent to the old.
3075 [20:46:19] <greycat> hid3: e.g. for me, the culprit was nfs-server, and I created /etc/systemd/system/nfs-server.service.d/waitlonger.conf with 3 lines
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3077 [20:46:33] <hid3> what those 3 lines were?
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3081 [20:46:57] <greycat> replaced-url
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3083 [20:47:21] <greycat> that's on a stretch box, not sure if jessie is exactly the same
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3087 [20:47:31] <hid3> strech here too. 9.0
3088 [20:47:38] <hid3> *stretch
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3091 [20:47:57] <hid3> and the "network-online" is something what is in base system?
3092 [20:48:05] <tw> Can you mark a unit as non-critical for boot, and keep delaying even after a login prompt is shown?
3093 [20:48:09] <greycat> hid3: yes
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3095 [20:48:34] <tw> hid3: network-online.target is documented here replaced-url
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3103 [20:50:53] <teraflops> hellyeah: ido which youtube version you have there, but e.g: youtube-dl -f bestaudio -x --audio-format mp3 --audio-quality 3 --output "%(title)s.%(ext)s" -i "replaced-url
3104 [20:50:58] <teraflops> idk^
3105 [20:51:20] <frostie_> can i take space from the new created partiton and add it to / to expand it?
3106 [20:51:27] <hellyeah> let me take a look
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3110 [20:53:28] <hellyeah> teraflops: thanks for that
3111 [20:53:31] <hellyeah> worked
3112 [20:53:33] <teraflops> np
3113 [20:53:37] <hid3> greycat, I'll probably need some assistance. So let's assume I have a stock service 'openvpn'. It's configuration is here: replaced-url
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3116 [20:54:30] <mtn> frostie_: yes, use gparted from a live disk to do it
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3118 [20:54:42] <jhutchins_wk> frostie_: There are two ways to do this: if the space is adjacent, you can grow the partition into it. If it isn't, you have to use LVM and create a volume group with both partitions in it.
3119 [20:55:07] <jhutchins_wk> frostie_: There is a third way: Backup, repartition, restore.
3120 [20:55:31] <jhutchins_wk> frostie_: If you're messing with the partition table, you need to have a full device backup.
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3137 [21:01:21] <sawgood> greycat: thanks again that was what we needed ...
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3140 [21:01:36] <hid3> also, in case the ISP never offers a valid IP (e.g. no connection or whatever reason), will my system still boot? Is there any timeout for waitinf network-online.target or sth similar to that?
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3142 [21:02:12] <ForceRecon> I may have asked this before but I do not remember what was said. - Is this accurate? - replaced-url
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3150 [21:06:14] <jhutchins_wk> dpkg: jessie->stretch
3151 [21:06:14] <dpkg> Remember that Debian 9 "Stretch" is still pre-release and that security support will not always be timely. Read (at least) the upgrading chapter of the <stretch release notes> replaced-url
3152 [21:06:56] <mutante> hid3: yea, it should still boot. there is a timeout for trying DHCP
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3154 [21:07:09] <mutante> hid3: also, in most cases you get the IP from your router at home.
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3163 [21:11:13] <hid3> mutante: this is a setup with direct connection to a "very smart" switch which autosenses the link for about 1 minute or so
3164 [21:11:18] <hid3> there's no home router
3165 [21:11:35] <hid3> this box acts as a server
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3169 [21:12:34] <mutante> hid3: ok, it should be /etc/dhcp/dhclient.conf and the "timeout" value in there. 60 sec
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3174 [21:14:08] <hid3> yep, it's there but commented out. Can I assume this is the default value and I don't need to uncomment it?
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3177 [21:15:59] <greycat> as far as I know, yes... I've never put that to the test
3178 [21:16:48] <hid3> alright.. I've dont that for openvpn, smbd and nginx. Finger crossed...
3179 [21:16:52] <tremolo> Seems like it's generally a safe assumption.
3180 [21:17:04] <tremolo> Well, as assumptions go.
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3184 [21:17:37] <hid3> I've added an additional HDD to the system (HP Microserver Gen8). The dummy raid lost boot device and all the configuration. It turned my blood cold because I had NO backups of this quite hge/complex system...
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3187 [21:17:46] <hid3> so had a bit of stress
3188 [21:18:02] <greycat> If the machine is physically safe, there is also an emergency console you can activate in systemd. It gives you an active root shell on Ctrl-Alt-F9 very early in the boot process, which you can use if tty1 is not activated yet.
3189 [21:18:02] <tremolo> But you have backups now, right? :D
3190 [21:18:03] <hid3> but luckily managed to find what was wrong, booted and then bah, some services don't start
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3195 [21:18:54] <hid3> tremolo: no, it's just half an hour passed since boot. Tomorrow I'll be establishing the remove backuping system using ssh and rsync. Currently the blocker is disk space on remote end
3196 [21:19:05] <greycat> Ah, here it is: debug-shell.service
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3198 [21:19:25] <hid3> so ctrl-alt-f9 works at every boot stage?
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3200 [21:19:38] <greycat> Only if you enable that service. It's disabled by default.
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3230 [21:37:18] <grandfso> hi, got a question
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3232 [21:37:32] <grandfso> when i do df -h
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3236 [21:37:54] <inthl> how does one disallow ordinary users to write to syslog, using the logger command?
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3238 [21:38:00] <grandfso> it says
3239 [21:38:00] <grandfso> Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on
3240 [21:38:00] <grandfso> /dev/simfs 20G 13G 7.9G 61% /
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3242 [21:38:33] <grandfso> after apt-get upgrade it warns me: After this operation, 16.7 GB disk space will be freed.
3243 [21:38:47] <grandfso> wtf?
3244 [21:38:56] <hid3> greycat: Thanks a lot for your support. You've helped me several times. I really value your contribution.
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3246 [21:39:17] <greycat> grandfso: got more than one file system?
3247 [21:39:21] <grandfso> nope
3248 [21:39:27] <grandfso> it's a small vps
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3253 [21:40:08] <grandfso> Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on
3254 [21:40:11] <grandfso> /dev/simfs 20G 13G 7.9G 61% /
3255 [21:40:12] <grandfso> none 512M 4.0K 512M 1% /dev
3256 [21:40:15] <grandfso> none 103M 192K 103M 1% /run
3257 [21:40:16] <grandfso> none 5.0M 4.0K 5.0M 1% /run/lock
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3259 [21:40:35] <tremolo> oops
3260 [21:40:41] <Bliepo> I am running dnsmasq with localise-queries. A device connected to one of the interfaces needs to be blocked from the internet, so I want all dns queries on that interface to return an invalid IP. Can this be done? As far as I know, /etc/hosts doesn't have wildcards so it cannot be done.
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3262 [21:40:49] <grandfso> got kicked
3263 [21:40:52] <greycat> grandfso: "no" was enough
3264 [21:40:53] <grandfso> sorry for that
3265 [21:41:22] <greycat> grandfso: anyway, whatever it wants to do, I'd say "no" to it.
3266 [21:41:32] <greycat> sounds like it wants to remove your entire system, which is usually bad
3267 [21:41:40] <grandfso> i figure
3268 [21:41:51] <grandfso> i installed irc client just for this cause
3269 [21:42:05] * Bliepo wonders about the situations where removing the entire system might be good
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3271 [21:42:17] <greycat> When it's Windows.
3272 [21:42:22] <Bliepo> :P
3273 [21:42:23] <tremolo> Does it also say how it's going to free that disk space? (which packages will be installed, upgraded, removed)
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3278 [21:43:34] <grandfso> yes
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3280 [21:43:42] <grandfso> is it ok to post url to screenshot ?
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3282 [21:43:52] <grandfso> i hope so replaced-url
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3288 [21:47:00] <Bliepo> On an unrelated note, I just noticed some fairly large inaccuracies on the Debian wiki about OpenVPN, specifically: replaced-url
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3305 [21:53:56] <huj> hey guys
3306 [21:54:22] <huj> i am trying to run a graphical program inside gdb over ssh
3307 [21:54:46] <huj> so the graphical program has no X display to forward to
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3309 [21:54:50] <greycat> ssh -X
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3312 [21:55:08] <huj> how can i use screen to enable me to connect to the screen session after launching the program?
3313 [21:55:15] <huj> greycat: im using putty
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3315 [21:55:34] <greycat> I do not know how to help you with your Microsoft Windows system.
3316 [21:55:41] <huj> greycat: im thinking "exec screen gdb -args APP_NAME"
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3319 [21:56:38] <huj> greycat: but i get the error from screen "must be connected to a terminal"
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3322 [21:57:15] <huj> greycat: i am already running XVFB because i dont care about the output of the graphical app
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3324 [21:57:37] <huj> greycat: i think it might be an issue with the command that i am not getting correct
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3326 [21:58:11] <huj> any ideas?
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3331 [21:59:08] <greycat> !any ideas
3332 [21:59:08] <dpkg> Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a bag full of condoms, a little cod liver oil, and 5 or 6 three-legged bunnies. And keep the NSA off my back for the next few hours!
3333 [21:59:16] <greycat> Here's another one: use Debian instead of Microsoft Windows!
3334 [21:59:58] <huj> greycat: even with debian ill have the same issue because i cannot have X over this netwok connection
3335 [22:00:08] <greycat> ssh -X
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3337 [22:00:25] <huj> and ill still need to be able to connect to the debugger later if i disconnect
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3340 [22:00:49] <Sl33pl3ss> ls -lah
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3344 [22:02:11] <huj> greycat: ssh -X allows X forwarding. what im saying is i cannot have X on the local machine
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3353 [22:05:07] <huj> greycat: so that problem would not be solved by installing Linux. ill still need to use screen...somehow...
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3355 [22:05:41] <greycat> ssh in. run screen. run whatever magical xvfb thing. run gdb.
3356 [22:05:50] <greycat> I don't know what the issue is.
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3378 [22:17:14] <jhutchins_wk> huj: Your windows system does not have an Xwindos display available.
3379 [22:17:26] <huj> jhutchins_wk: correct
3380 [22:17:41] <huj> jhutchins_wk: thats why im trynna use Xvfb and run gdb in a screen session
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3383 [22:18:08] <jhutchins_wk> huj: You could use xming or cygwin.
3384 [22:18:30] <jhutchins_wk> huj: Forwarding an entire desktop is going to take more resources.
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3387 [22:18:42] <huj> right. i dont wanna forward anything
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3389 [22:19:11] <greycat> ssh in. run screen. run whatever magical xvfb thing. run gdb. I don't know what the issue is.
3390 [22:19:36] <huj> when i run "exec screen gdb -args APP_NAME", screen says "must be connected to a terminal"
3391 [22:19:48] <greycat> STOP trying to do it all in one fucking gigantic megacommand
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3393 [22:20:02] <greycat> ssh in. you have a prompt. run 'screen'. you have another prompt.
3394 [22:20:31] <huj> greycat: theres another twist. the program is being called automatically, not manually by me.
3395 [22:20:35] <greycat> Debugging is interactive, so there should be no need to embed this shit in 6 layers of automation.
3396 [22:20:43] <greycat> *PLONK*
3397 [22:20:46] <huj> so i have scripted it
3398 [22:20:55] <huj> i have a script that i point the caller to
3399 [22:21:04] <huj> which has the screen etc running in it
3400 [22:21:49] <greycat> "Hi I have an X windows issue" "But I'm using putty" "But my actual issue is screen" "I can't use X forwarding on this network" "No, I meant I can't install X on this host" "No, I actually meant..."
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3402 [22:22:16] <galex-713> Help, my disk is full and when I free space something fills the remaining just-freed space :/ how to track what program is doing this?
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3407 [22:23:06] <huj> greycat: i never said i have an X issue. ive already solved that with Xvfb
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3409 [22:23:32] <huj> how can i allocate a new pseudo tty from bash?
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3411 [22:24:15] <jhutchins_wk> huj: I think you are digging a hole and wondering why you keep getting deeper.
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3413 [22:24:48] <greycat> galex-713: I'd start with "cd /var/log; ls -lart" but that's just a shot in the dark
3414 [22:25:13] <greycat> Other places to look include /tmp, /var/tmp, and subdirectories of /var/log
3415 [22:25:15] <jelly> huj, which debian release is this, and precisely how are you logging in that doesn't give you a tty in the first place
3416 [22:25:27] <huj> im logging in using putty
3417 [22:25:46] <huj> debian 7.11
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3421 [22:26:17] <jelly> huj, what are you doing with putty to avoid opening a tty for the interactive shell?
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3424 [22:26:30] <huj> jelly: nothing special
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3426 [22:26:42] <jelly> huj, is /etc/ssh/sshd_config changed from defaults, then?
3427 [22:26:57] <huj> jelly: but when the script gets run, it tries to run screen, which then gives the "must be connected to a terminal" error
3428 [22:27:04] <galex-713> greycat, right, syslog, kern.log and messages are 2G now and still growing
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3430 [22:27:15] <galex-713> I’m under testing
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3432 [22:27:21] <greycat> tail one of them to see what's filling it up
3433 [22:27:22] <jhutchins_wk> huj: Because the script does not have a terminal.
3434 [22:27:35] <jelly> huj, how does this script "get run", from the shell you opened with putty or?
3435 [22:27:35] <galex-713> greycat, kern errors afaik
3436 [22:27:35] <danielh1234> galex-713: Where do new files get created? That might give a first clue. If you want to see which directories are big try `du -xhs 2>/dev/null /* | sort -h` It calculates (d)isk(u)sage, within one filesystem (x), with human readable sizes (h), but only summarizes the directories, not each files (s). Then sort sorts it.
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3438 [22:28:01] <galex-713> stuff beginning with “Call trace” then lines beginning with hexa numbers
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3440 [22:28:10] <danielh1234> galex-713: Then replace /* with /probably_problematic_directory/*
3441 [22:28:36] <greycat> I think we're past that
3442 [22:28:41] <galex-713> danielh1234, we already found the problematic files, now we have to understand why are these growing
3443 [22:28:53] <danielh1234> galex-713: oh sorry, missed that
3444 [22:28:59] <galex-713> oh it’s because ath9k
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3446 [22:29:07] <galex-713> let me try something
3447 [22:29:11] <galex-713> I’ll maybe disconnect
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3449 [22:30:17] <galex-713> greycat, I disconnected and reconnected my USB dongle, now problem solved
3450 [22:30:28] <greycat> I wish they were all that easy
3451 [22:30:43] <galex-713> what were easy?
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3453 [22:30:49] <greycat> problems
3454 [22:30:54] <galex-713> ah x)
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3456 [22:31:41] <galex-713> Well you shouldn’t, that being an easy (respect to its nuisance) problem may be shown as an OS problem
3457 [22:32:10] <galex-713> like, on a security side, you just have to insert faulty hardware into any default debian computer to fill its disk and make it unable to work properly
3458 [22:32:10] <huj> jelly: this is actually QEMU which gets spawned by the hypervisor
3459 [22:32:14] <galex-713> That’s a bit problematic
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3462 [22:32:58] <galex-713> greycat, while hard to solve problems are normally not easily occuring, nor always happening on default debian, and are usually because of user, so they are not a sign of a problem within debian
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3468 [22:33:26] <galex-713> *hard-to-solve
3469 [22:33:29] <jhutchins_wk> galex-713: Connecting faulty hardware always has the hazard of taking down a system.
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3471 [22:33:44] <galex-713> jhutchins_wk, yeah but… filling logs…
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3473 [22:33:53] <jhutchins_wk> galex-713: You don't even need to connect it directly.
3474 [22:34:01] <jelly> huj, that's not really putty then, is it
3475 [22:34:05] <galex-713> faulting a system by filling logs should be an easy-to-avoid problem for a distro default config
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3478 [22:34:20] <jhutchins_wk> galex-713: A damaged router that is storming the network can take the whole network down and look like a local problem.
3479 [22:34:21] <huj> hmm
3480 [22:34:32] <huj> jelly: i think ur right
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3482 [22:34:39] <jelly> huj, so again, how about you explain precisely how your script gets run in a tty-less environment
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3484 [22:34:54] <jhutchins_wk> galex-713: Come up with a configuration that works and share it.
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3486 [22:35:51] <galex-713> jhutchins_wk, anything with ulimit? dunno, I’m not especially good at understanding linux stuff
3487 [22:35:52] <huj> basically, i pointed to qemu path to my script. hypervisor runs my script, which consists of: #!/bin/bash screen gdb -args ./qemu-system-i386 "$@"
3488 [22:36:01] <galex-713> I don’t really care about linux and anyway I don’t like it
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3490 [22:36:10] <jelly> huj, HOW does it run the script inside the guest?
3491 [22:36:15] <jhutchins_wk> galex-713 Then perhaps what you're suggesting isn't all that practical after all.
3492 [22:36:41] <greycat> "inside the guest" hahahaha there's a fucking VM involved now
3493 [22:36:45] <huj> jelly: im not understanding what kind of answer you are looking for. hypervisor invokes it, and it should be running as root on the host
3494 [22:36:52] <galex-713> jhutchins_wk, then why? my main answer was “maybe that but I’m not sure to understand it enough”
3495 [22:36:52] <greycat> So glad I dropped out of this one already.
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3498 [22:37:32] <huj> jelly: is there a way to allocate a pseudo tty from within a script?
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3502 [22:38:18] <jelly> huj, your "script" seems to run qemu itself. Are you saying your h-v starts a VM, and then calls this script inside it to run another qemu inside?
3503 [22:38:58] <greycat> 15:54 huj> i am trying to run a graphical program inside gdb over ssh
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3506 [22:39:07] <huj> jelly: no. the HV executes QEMU on the host to emulate the guest hardware.
3507 [22:39:11] <jelly> huj, to figure out why you're missing a tty, we need to know exactly how commands are passed to the inside of the debian vm
3508 [22:39:12] <huj> QEMU is a graphical program
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3511 [22:39:29] <huj> theres no VM involved yet
3512 [22:39:31] <jelly> huj, so the script isn't run inside vm at all, it's run on the host
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3514 [22:39:34] <huj> i am just debugging QEMU
3515 [22:39:45] <huj> exactly
3516 [22:39:56] <huj> HV executes script on host as root
3517 [22:40:05] <jelly> which os is this host?
3518 [22:40:07] <koollman> do you need the graphical part of qemu ? because qemu is a cli program too :)
3519 [22:40:10] <jhutchins_wk> galex-713: Runaway log files are a potential problem with any kind of system problem. There are ways to limit the potential harm, but there needs to be a mechanism for recording what's wrong so it can be addressed.
3520 [22:40:11] <huj> Debian
3521 [22:40:27] <jhutchins_wk> galex-713: If I have physical access to a system, I can pretty much always compromise it.
3522 [22:40:33] <jhutchins_wk> galex-713: I can always just pull the plug.
3523 [22:40:34] <huj> script executes QEMU in gdb
3524 [22:40:45] <huj> screen gdb -args ./qemu-system-i386 "$@"
3525 [22:40:49] <jelly> huj, how do you start this script?
3526 [22:40:57] <jelly> on the host.
3527 [22:41:00] <huj> jelly: i already told u. i dont. the HV does
3528 [22:41:20] <jelly> huj, how do you tell it to run this, then?
3529 [22:41:31] <jelly> surely it doesn't do this on its own
3530 [22:41:31] <huj> xl create VM.cfg
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3534 [22:42:00] <jelly> huj, which hypervisor is this?
3535 [22:42:03] <huj> and that causes HV to execute script
3536 [22:42:04] <huj> Xen
3537 [22:42:12] <galex-713> jhutchins_wk, lot of solutions could be used: erasing old logs, erasing oldest from recent logs, stop logging until there is more space or until the problem is solved, etc.
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3540 [22:42:35] <galex-713> but “filling fs”
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3543 [22:42:50] <jelly> huj, I'd ask xen people how to properly prepare environment to debug the whole vm
3544 [22:43:11] <huj> ive already gotten gdb to debug QEMU
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3546 [22:43:16] <huj> but this is over ssh
3547 [22:43:32] <huj> this seems more like a bash scripting trick
3548 [22:43:38] <huj> not an HV related thing
3549 [22:44:01] <jelly> huj, nothing relevant is run over ssh, you just said xen prepares the enviroment and starts up your script on its own
3550 [22:44:10] <huj> ahh
3551 [22:44:11] <jelly> you're just issuing "xl ..." in ssh
3552 [22:44:16] <galex-713> jhutchins_wk, yeah but if you pulled the plug the intention of the user *was* to shut down the system, while if the user doesn’t want this while the constructor of one of the hardware parts want this…
3553 [22:44:17] <huj> yea thats right
3554 [22:44:26] <galex-713> (or anybody having had access to it)
3555 [22:44:29] <huj> but the script is the one that i need help with i guess
3556 [22:44:35] <jelly> and that tells xen to do something, nothing more
3557 [22:44:35] <jhutchins_wk> huj: Perhaps the strategy you've chosen is not a very practical, or maybe not even possible. You might explain what your actual goal is, not what steps you think you should take to get there.
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3560 [22:44:55] <huj> jhutchins: i am trying to remotely debug GDB
3561 [22:44:58] <huj> QEMU*
3562 [22:45:15] <huj> hmm ok, i think ill try a different approach
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3564 [22:45:27] <jelly> huj, I'd take xen out of the picture and run qemu directly
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3566 [22:45:45] <huj> jelly: yea its wierd
3567 [22:45:52] <huj> i was able to run the script directly from root
3568 [22:46:07] <huj> it automatically creates a screen session and has gdb waiting for me
3569 [22:46:17] <jelly> because you ran it from an interactive shell, which did have a tty attached
3570 [22:46:23] <huj> but im wondering why this doesnt happen when the HV runs the same script
3571 [22:46:31] <huj> ohhh
3572 [22:46:41] <huj> ok
3573 [22:46:43] <jelly> clearly the environment HV sets up is different
3574 [22:47:00] <jelly> you could maaybe start screen in detached mode
3575 [22:47:11] <huj> is there a command i can use to create interactive environemt from within the script?
3576 [22:47:15] <jelly> screen -dmS sessionname somecommand
3577 [22:47:15] <huj> hmmm
3578 [22:47:19] <huj> lemme try
3579 [22:47:52] <jelly> (sessionname is an arbitrary string naming the screen session for your benefit)
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3581 [22:49:49] <jelly> but it sounds you're probably missing something crucial and doing things the wrong way, best tell xen people what your actual goal is and let thme offer advice
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3585 [22:50:35] <TyrfingMjolnir> How do I get access to openjdk-8-jdk in debian 8?
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3587 [22:50:52] <TyrfingMjolnir> Is there some repo do add?
3588 [22:50:58] <danielh1234> TyrfingMjolnir: backports, yes
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3592 [22:51:19] <danielh1234> TyrfingMjolnir: replaced-url
3593 [22:51:27] <huj> jelly: the new screen session worked
3594 [22:52:18] <jelly> still doesn't mean you're using an optimal setup
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3599 [22:53:48] <nurupo> a reminder to check /etc/apt/sources.list to make sure you won't have any surprise upgrades when new debian stable is released in few days
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3602 [22:55:09] <huj> jelly: so detached screen creates a new tty?
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3605 [22:56:29] <jelly> huj, detached screen is able to start in absence of a tty.
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3607 [22:57:18] <jelly> screen always creates a tty, that's what it's for, multiplexing lots of ttys to one scr^H^H^Houtput
3608 [22:57:31] <huj> jelly: thanks so much for your pateience in uderstanding my problem, and persistence in helping me
3609 [22:57:50] <jelly> you're welcome
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3638 [23:17:58] <prasket> YES! Firefox 52.2 just hit the stable repo!
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3710 [23:58:28] <TyrfingMjolnir> I installed openjdk8-jdk and elasticsearch
3711 [23:58:37] <TyrfingMjolnir> /etc/init.d/elasticsearch start
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3713 [23:58:45] <TyrfingMjolnir> tells me elasticsearch is running
3714 [23:58:49] <TyrfingMjolnir> htop does not
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3716 [23:59:01] <TyrfingMjolnir> netstat does not report the port to be active
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3718 [23:59:31] <TyrfingMjolnir> Which logs to check?
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