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16 [00:08:11] <tw> Yes, that one. I suspect it's not particularly practical to have a system-wide one on linux, since it's so toolkit dependent.
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18 [00:08:34] <tw> For what it's worth, I've seen GTK apps use the windows forms provider, but they must have to work extra magic to do so.
19 [00:08:49] <tw> (and super OT for #debian)
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56 [00:22:38] <icarious> What is the default way to add an user in debian, with the default set of groups as done by the installer?
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107 [00:51:49] <francine> OS-29884: why?
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134 [01:11:26] <LtL> francine: accidental space most likely.
135 [01:11:43] <LtL> OS-27035: adduser ; man adduser
136 [01:11:57] <LtL> err OS-27035 sorry
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139 [01:12:23] <LtL> icarious: adduser if you didn't get an answer
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141 [01:13:17] <icarious> LtL: adduser adds the user to the default user group only. Not what the installer does
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143 [01:14:04] <LtL> icarious: i thought the installer did the same, sorry
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147 [01:15:37] <LtL> icarious: i misunderstood the question, i would still think adduser inherits the same groups also but maybe i'm wrong
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152 [01:16:03] <francine> adduser creates a new group with the same name as the username and adds the user to this group
153 [01:16:45] <francine> users can be added to other groups if needed or wanted using usermod
154 [01:17:14] <LtL> francine: true but what about the other groups, type 'groups'
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156 [01:18:12] <francine> LtL: Some groups are unused, but reserved for (maybe) later use like server daemons etc, they're just pre-created
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166 [01:22:28] <n-iCe> Shouldn't debian detect the usb flash drive as cd when installing?
167 [01:22:40] <n-iCe> Says no common cdrom drive was detected
168 [01:23:07] <francine> n-iCe: How did you copied the image to the USB?
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170 [01:23:20] <n-iCe> Dd
171 [01:23:24] <n-iCe> dd
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174 [01:23:43] <francine> Hm, it should detect it as CD
175 [01:24:04] <n-iCe> Any recomendation
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178 [01:24:08] <n-iCe> Is a netinstall iso
179 [01:24:25] <francine> Hm, I'm not sure
180 [01:26:38] <prasket> n-iCe, that is the version I usually dd to an usb and never have had any issues. Is the installer launching on boot?
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182 [01:26:52] <n-iCe> Downloading file again
183 [01:27:04] <n-iCe> Yes it boots prasket
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188 [01:32:03] <n-iCe> Will use cat
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191 [01:32:54] <francine> n-iCe: You can also try "cp"
192 [01:33:18] <n-iCe> Ok
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204 [01:37:30] <n-iCe> Done
205 [01:37:33] <n-iCe> Let's reboot
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209 [01:39:38] <n-iCe> Worked with cat
210 [01:39:50] <n-iCe> I really really need a lightweight system
211 [01:40:04] <n-iCe> Since is a centrino duo and 1GB ram
212 [01:40:08] <n-iCe> What do you guys recommend
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214 [01:40:55] <francine> n-iCe: with desktop environment?
215 [01:41:20] <francine> n-iCe: xfce or something similar, maybe lxde (depends what look you like)
216 [01:41:53] <francine> n-iCe: definitely setup a swap
217 [01:42:02] <francine> 1 GB or 2 GB might be fine
218 [01:42:24] <n-iCe> Ok!
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220 [01:42:28] <n-iCe> What about a wm?
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222 [01:42:33] <n-iCe> Should not run faster?
223 [01:42:59] <francine> desktop environment (de) or window manager (wm) depends on what your personal needs are
224 [01:43:09] <n-iCe> Browser irc
225 [01:43:21] <francine> you can do that with both
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227 [01:43:27] <n-iCe> Exactly
228 [01:44:02] <francine> a DE mostly gives you a taskbar and a start menu etc while a WM only just displays windows
229 [01:44:26] <n-iCe> Shit asks for a wifi firmwaew
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231 [01:44:51] <francine> n-iCe: You can download a ISO file with included firmware files
232 [01:45:02] <n-iCe> And you guys say that till now
233 [01:45:03] <n-iCe> Lol
234 [01:45:12] <n-iCe> It is a netinstall
235 [01:45:20] <ryouma> you can have taskbar and menus with window managers
236 [01:45:37] <francine> ryouma: Yes, but a bit hardly to setup the look and feel
237 [01:45:50] <francine> (Just my opinion and experience)
238 [01:45:50] <ryouma> dunno, flux etc. have them built in
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240 [01:45:57] <ryouma> but might be ugly for some
241 [01:46:16] <ryouma> idk what the definitions are but de usually ahve applications like file managters that match the theme, theme choosers, icons on desktop, etc.
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243 [01:46:28] <ryouma> de = basically download huge amounts of stuff
244 [01:46:32] <icarious> Sorry was away. (w.r.t the topic on groups). Coming from Arch, I do agree the whole concept of those groups are getting deprecated cause of polkit handling everything
245 [01:46:42] <francine> n-iCe: It's a bit hard to find, but there you go: replaced-url
246 [01:46:44] <icarious> I always wondered why Debian kept them in the first place
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250 [01:47:38] <n-iCe> Francine thats not a netinstall
251 [01:47:43] <francine> n-iCe: I don't know what architecture you need, just browse through the dirs
252 [01:47:50] <n-iCe> 32bits
253 [01:47:57] <n-iCe> I downloaded the firmware
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255 [01:48:08] <francine> replaced-url
256 [01:48:11] <francine> It is a netinstall
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258 [01:48:37] <francine> It's just the netinstaller iso, but with included firmware that will be loaded during the setup
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262 [01:50:21] <n-iCe> I downloaded thw firmware
263 [01:50:32] <n-iCe> Buy cp says read-only file system
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272 [01:54:59] <n-iCe> Francine no torrent?
273 [01:55:06] <n-iCe> Says 1hr no idea why
274 [01:55:22] <n-iCe> Ok reduced to 15minutes now
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278 [01:56:31] <francine> n-iCe: There are torrents available iirc
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280 [01:56:36] <n-iCe> Ok found the torrent
281 [01:56:46] <francine> replaced-url
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297 [02:02:36] <donofrio> why does my install footprint seem doubled after upgrade, thought it was 6gb now its 13.3gb?
298 [02:02:47] <donofrio> opps wrong channel
299 [02:03:03] <n-iCe> Ok downloaded moving to usb flash
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302 [02:04:36] <dunderproto> I'm on debian jessie, I added this line to /etc/apt/sources.list: deb replaced-url
303 [02:04:36] <n-iCe> Will try i3
304 [02:04:59] <dunderproto> it's available on debian stretch. Am I missing something? I need to install android-sdk and android-sdk-platform-23
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306 [02:06:14] <francine> hubot: not all stretch packages are getting backported for jessie
307 [02:06:46] <francine> dunderproto
308 [02:06:49] <francine> Sorry hubot
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310 [02:07:07] <n-iCe> Done francine
311 [02:07:11] <n-iCe> Worked that iso
312 [02:07:21] <n-iCe> Connecting to my wifi
313 [02:07:26] <francine> n-iCe: Great :)
314 [02:07:30] <n-iCe> You like i3?
315 [02:07:46] <n-iCe> I want something really light weight
316 [02:08:08] <dunderproto> francine: ah, thanks
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319 [02:08:22] <dunderproto> francine: so my only recourse is to install stretch?
320 [02:08:42] <francine> n-iCe: I like i3
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322 [02:08:50] <missmbob> stretch shoulld come out on the 17th. wait
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324 [02:11:07] <francine> dunderproto: I agree to dunderproto, wait until Stretch is officially released at 17th. If you can't wait that long,you can install Stretch today, I think it's stable enough, and it'll become stable automatically with just a apt(-get) update/upgrade
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326 [02:11:23] <francine> * I agree to missbomb
327 [02:11:27] <francine> * missmbob
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329 [02:11:33] <francine> God, I should sleep
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331 [02:11:53] <dunderproto> missmbob, francine: thanks
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336 [02:13:22] <ryouma> francine: dist-upgrade*?
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338 [02:13:49] <francine> ryouma: Isn't that only needed for a full main release upgrade and kernel upgrades?
339 [02:14:03] <ryouma> i thought that is what you meant
340 [02:14:18] <francine> For package updates I usually use apt-get upgrade
341 [02:14:33] <ryouma> ah i guess it is called full-upgrade in aptitude now
342 [02:14:35] <francine> For release upgrade like from 8 to 9 I use dist-upgrade
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345 [02:15:21] <francine> But since Debian 9 has a updated apt package I only use apt for myself
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350 [02:16:21] <ryouma> does that work better than aptitude and apt-get?
351 [02:16:55] <francine> I don't know, but it has a better syntax and a progress bar
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353 [02:17:09] <francine> I only have to remember apt, and not apt-get orapt-cache or apt-whatever
354 [02:17:27] <francine> *or apt-cache
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368 [02:30:58] <n-iCe> Ok how do i launch the installation wifi menu
369 [02:31:10] <n-iCe> I installed debian with no desktop
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372 [02:32:24] <francine> I'm not really familar with wifi on Debian, so I'll redirect you to this: replaced-url
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374 [02:33:50] <tariop> Just installed memtest86+ package on stretch but when I select it from grub menu, it doesn't load and I only get the background grub image.
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378 [02:34:33] <missmbob> 86+ is really old and extra buggy. use 86
379 [02:34:45] <n-iCe> Thanks
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381 [02:35:59] <tariop> Both 86 and 86+ fail to load.
382 [02:36:07] <n-iCe> I'm connected
383 [02:36:10] <n-iCe> But cant surf the web
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386 [02:36:51] <n-iCe> Dhclient wlan0 seems to be stuck
387 [02:36:52] <francine> n-iCe: Check your DNS and gateway
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390 [02:37:26] <n-iCe> Where
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393 [02:37:30] <n-iCe> Resolv.conf?
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396 [02:37:38] <n-iCe> Setcit to 8.8.8.8
397 [02:37:41] <n-iCe> Set it
398 [02:37:59] <francine> /etc/resolv.conf
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400 [02:38:09] <n-iCe> Yeah set it to 8.8.8.8
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402 [02:38:15] <francine> There sould already be nameservers listed if using DHCP
403 [02:38:19] <francine> *should
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405 [02:38:36] <n-iCe> Removed it and set the google one
406 [02:38:41] <n-iCe> I always do
407 [02:38:53] <n-iCe> But i still cant ping google.com
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409 [02:39:09] <francine> Check your gateway
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413 [02:40:06] <n-iCe> Etc hosts?
414 [02:40:25] <n-iCe> Says 127.0.0.1 and 127.0.1.1
415 [02:40:41] <francine> /etc/hosts is not your gateway
416 [02:40:50] <n-iCe> Then
417 [02:40:51] <francine> Check your gateway using "route -n"
418 [02:40:54] <n-iCe> Ok
419 [02:40:58] <n-iCe> And then
420 [02:41:01] <francine> Your routers default IP should be listed there
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422 [02:42:07] <n-iCe> Yes
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424 [02:42:23] <francine> Hm
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429 [02:42:42] <n-iCe> I rebooted and sending dhclient again
430 [02:42:46] <n-iCe> Lets see if works
431 [02:42:52] <n-iCe> Did not edit resolv.conf now
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436 [02:44:07] <n-iCe> No, same
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438 [02:44:18] <n-iCe> By ghe way
439 [02:44:27] <n-iCe> Gateway says 0.0.0.0
440 [02:44:36] <francine> n-iCe: Are you connected to your wifi?
441 [02:44:50] <n-iCe> Yes
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443 [02:45:05] <francine> weird
444 [02:45:27] <n-iCe> I know
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447 [02:45:45] <n-iCe> Iwconfig shows bit rate tx power
448 [02:45:48] <n-iCe> Everything
449 [02:46:04] <francine> Hm, I'm out of any ideas atm
450 [02:46:09] <bokybanton> have a similar problem with dhcp client, solved configuring it manually in /etc/hosts
451 [02:46:24] <bokybanton> and forcing local ipv4
452 [02:46:26] <bokybanton> :_p
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455 [02:46:46] <francine> bokybanton: in /etc/hosts ? seriously?
456 [02:46:54] <bokybanton> ups sorry
457 [02:46:56] <n-iCe> How
458 [02:47:09] <bokybanton> not su
459 [02:47:23] <n-iCe> Cant i launch the installatuon wifi manager?
460 [02:47:27] <n-iCe> That worked
461 [02:47:35] <francine> n-iCe: iirc no
462 [02:47:40] <n-iCe> Dammot
463 [02:47:44] <n-iCe> What now lom
464 [02:47:45] <n-iCe> Lol
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468 [02:48:18] <francine> n-iCe: replaced-url
469 [02:48:21] <francine> You can try wicd
470 [02:48:53] <n-iCe> But how
471 [02:48:59] <n-iCe> I cant download i have no internet
472 [02:49:14] <francine> true :D
473 [02:49:36] <francine> Can you connect a ethernet cable temporarily?
474 [02:50:01] <n-iCe> Let me see if i have one
475 [02:50:03] <n-iCe> Hold on
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479 [02:51:37] <n-iCe> Wicd works with no desktop?
480 [02:51:53] <gry> sorry,it at least needs xorg. you can use it with that without desktop
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483 [02:51:58] <francine> Yes
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485 [02:52:05] <francine> n-iCe: ^
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487 [02:52:16] <gry> oh, it also has a curses interface, no need for xorg either
488 [02:52:18] <nine_milli_> can i cop a copy of mein kampf ebook from someone?
489 [02:52:32] <francine> nine_milli_: buy it?
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491 [02:53:26] <n-iCe> Ethernrt connected now
492 [02:53:40] <n-iCe> Works now
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494 [02:54:11] <n-iCe> Downloading i3
495 [02:54:17] <francine> n-iCe: wicd is installed?
496 [02:54:17] <n-iCe> Comes witb any network manager?
497 [02:54:35] <francine> n-iCe: with i3 not by default
498 [02:54:39] <n-iCe> Ok
499 [02:54:43] <n-iCe> You recpmmend wicd?
500 [02:54:45] <francine> But you can install one if youlike
501 [02:54:46] <n-iCe> Is lightweight?
502 [02:54:50] <francine> *you like
503 [02:54:55] <n-iCe> Remember my pc is old hehe
504 [02:54:58] <francine> tbh I've never used wicd before :D
505 [02:55:07] <gry> n-iCe: mine runs gnustep on a 1gb memory laptop just fine.
506 [02:55:14] <n-iCe> Gnustep
507 [02:55:18] <n-iCe> Is a package?
508 [02:55:26] <francine> gry: sounds like a fork from NeXT Step
509 [02:55:29] <gry> yes
510 [02:55:44] <gry> it's a bit elegant, I write small patches for its apps easily
511 [02:55:47] <n-iCe> So wicd or gnustep
512 [02:55:53] <gry> don't use i3
513 [02:55:59] <francine> gnustep is a WM
514 [02:56:00] <gry> just install wicd's curses interface and use that
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516 [02:56:08] <gry> no need for any desktop
517 [02:56:14] <n-iCe> I want i3
518 [02:56:18] <gry> then go for it
519 [02:56:22] <gry> it will work equally well
520 [02:56:33] <n-iCe> I3: cannot open display
521 [02:56:34] <francine> remember that i3 is tiling window manager
522 [02:56:35] <n-iCe> :S
523 [02:56:42] <francine> n-iCe: install xorg :D
524 [02:56:50] <n-iCe> I3 package did it
525 [02:56:52] <n-iCe> No.
526 [02:56:53] <n-iCe> ?
527 [02:56:58] <gry> nine_milli_: check the licence written on the book. if it gives such permission then yes. if not then no - copyright is implied.
528 [02:57:00] <francine> And if you want sound too install pulseaudio
529 [02:57:17] <n-iCe> Ok installing xorg package
530 [02:57:20] <n-iCe> And pulseaudio
531 [02:57:20] <francine> n-iCe: You need xorg if you want to run a desktop
532 [02:57:23] <gry> n-iCe: you have i3, and you are able to use wicd from there, yes?
533 [02:57:29] <gry> one thing at a time
534 [02:57:41] <francine> Yes
535 [02:57:47] <n-iCe> Done
536 [02:57:48] <n-iCe> Now
537 [02:57:53] <n-iCe> Startx?
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541 [02:58:33] <francine> If you like to .. yes
542 [02:58:55] <n-iCe> Installed wicd
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545 [03:01:28] <n-iCe> Done installed now
546 [03:01:42] <gry> now you're a few moves away from having working internet on that machine
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549 [03:02:19] <n-iCe> 😁
550 [03:03:48] <n-iCe> Cursosr is a clock
551 [03:03:54] <n-iCe> Dont think is loading
552 [03:04:02] <gry> don't load clocks
553 [03:04:05] <francine> lol
554 [03:04:10] <gry> setup your internet and ping 8.8.8.8 at first
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556 [03:04:14] <n-iCe> How do i run wicd
557 [03:04:21] <gry> err, wicd<tab>
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559 [03:04:27] <francine> By executing wicd in a terminal
560 [03:04:33] <gry> yep
561 [03:04:43] <n-iCe> Command not found
562 [03:04:44] <n-iCe> Weird
563 [03:05:01] <francine> maybe wicd<tab>
564 [03:05:06] <francine> And look whats available
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566 [03:05:26] <n-iCe> Gtk
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568 [03:05:44] <francine> wut?
569 [03:05:44] <gry> you have two options, wicd (ncurses version) and wicd-gtk (gtk version)
570 [03:05:46] <gry> you can use any of them
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572 [03:05:59] <n-iCe> Wicd-gtk
573 [03:06:01] <n-iCe> Did tje kob
574 [03:06:03] <n-iCe> Job
575 [03:06:04] <gry> ok
576 [03:06:12] <n-iCe> Now i have wifi!!!
577 [03:06:14] <n-iCe> Thaaaanks
578 [03:06:18] <gry> congratulations :D
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580 [03:06:26] <gry> does your clock run now?
581 [03:06:44] <francine> Have to sleep. See you later :)
582 [03:07:03] <francine> And congrats n-iCe :)
583 [03:07:10] <francine> And don't play too much with your clocks :D
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585 [03:08:12] <n-iCe> The cursor is a clock
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590 [03:09:23] <n-iCe> Brb in the laptop
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593 [03:09:42] <gry> wb
594 [03:09:42] <n-iCe> I'm here!!
595 [03:09:46] <gry> yes :)
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597 [03:09:55] <n-iCe> love irssi, now... how do I open windows in here, lol
598 [03:10:04] <n-iCe> found win key o search for programs
599 [03:10:06] <gry> joining new channels opens new windows automatically
600 [03:10:15] <n-iCe> no no, in i3
601 [03:10:15] <n-iCe> hehe
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603 [03:10:20] <lucnx> irssi has best themes 2
604 [03:10:21] <gry> that i have no idea, sorry
605 [03:10:37] <gry> you're welcome to join #i3 and hang around :)
606 [03:10:43] <n-iCe> thanks!
607 [03:10:48] <gry> no worries :)
608 [03:11:23] <missmbob> nine_milli_: they have great docs replaced-url
609 [03:11:32] <missmbob> n-iCe: ^
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611 [03:12:00] <n-iCe> how do I check the system memory
612 [03:12:02] <n-iCe> and how much is using
613 [03:12:19] <missmbob> n-iCe: also there's #irssi
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620 [03:15:17] <n-iCe> how do I know the ram my system is using
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622 [03:15:31] <n-iCe> since free -m shows i using 600MB ram, don't think is correct, is a lot
623 [03:16:54] <missmbob> n-iCe: replaced-url
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625 [03:17:16] <n-iCe> and I have no audio
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628 [03:19:19] <prasket> missmbob, nice link.. ive never seen that site ha :)
629 [03:19:50] <missmbob> prasket: old but good one :)
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635 [03:22:52] <tonyt> just installed debian 8.8. how does one update it?
636 [03:23:07] <pacha> tonyt: sudo apt-get upgrade
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639 [03:23:27] <n-iCe> pulseaudio is installed but I have no audio!!
640 [03:23:45] <tonyt> dud did that. it didnt find nothing
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642 [03:23:56] <tonyt> err did that. it didnt find nothing
643 [03:24:13] <tonyt> does that mean everything is up to date?
644 [03:24:15] <missmbob> n-iCe: try installing pavucontrol and running/configuring that
645 [03:24:25] <tonyt> or do i have to add a line to the source list?
646 [03:24:30] <n-iCe> missmbob: removing pulseaudio?
647 [03:24:42] <missmbob> n-iCe: that's not what i said
648 [03:24:48] <n-iCe> that's why I asked :)
649 [03:24:49] <n-iCe> thanks
650 [03:25:36] <pacha> tonyt: check if you have a correct source.list conf, use this: replaced-url
651 [03:26:02] <missmbob> !jessie sources.list
652 [03:26:02] <dpkg> A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 8 "Jessie" has three lines: "deb replaced-url
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654 [03:27:38] <tonyt> k
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664 [03:32:21] <n-iCe> still no sound
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668 [03:35:44] <n-iCe> maybe windows managers are not for me
669 [03:35:44] <n-iCe> haha
670 [03:36:09] <n-iCe> let's try openbx
671 [03:36:11] <n-iCe> openbox
672 [03:36:14] <n-iCe> is ita de?
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678 [03:38:28] <n-iCe> Yeah, lot better
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691 [03:45:36] <TomG2> you might like icewm, n-iCe
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694 [03:45:47] <TomG2> not just because of the coincidences in the names
695 [03:45:59] <n-iCe> hehe
696 [03:46:00] <n-iCe> really?
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698 [03:46:03] <n-iCe> more than openbox?
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700 [03:46:19] <TomG2> i don't know, slightly? it depends on what you're looking for
701 [03:46:24] <n-iCe> well
702 [03:46:26] <n-iCe> let's try it!
703 [03:46:28] <n-iCe> what do you use?
704 [03:46:28] <TomG2> openbox is lighter and is definitely good for some people
705 [03:46:38] <n-iCe> more lightweight? tha icewm?
706 [03:46:46] <ryouma> i think flux is the only one with a slit though
707 [03:46:48] <TomG2> on Debian? i3 I guess, but i'm using Linux Mint Debian Edition 2 right now
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709 [03:46:56] <TomG2> more than icewm
710 [03:47:07] <n-iCe> let me check in google
711 [03:47:13] <ryouma> icewm is supposed to be like windows iirc (or it was at one time)
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714 [03:47:47] <TomG2> it's win95-ish definitely
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716 [03:48:50] <n-iCe> openbox + tint2 looks ok for me
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721 [03:50:09] <ryouma> can you switch out the fluxbox taskbar for something like tint2?
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810 [04:48:34] <JJScrawls> So I asked this question the other day but how do I change the icon size in Debian KDE
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812 [04:49:24] <JJScrawls> I've tried multiple things but nothing I have tried works
813 [04:49:46] <JJScrawls> tried under icon settings, it has no effect on the desktop icons
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815 [04:50:07] <JJScrawls> it's small but really annoying
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818 [04:51:28] <JJScrawls> Is this something other people have run into or am I an idiot?
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821 [04:51:58] <n-iCe> I don't use kde :<
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823 [04:52:27] <JJScrawls> I am testing it and really like it but I can't change icon sizes on the desktop -____-
824 [04:52:46] <JJScrawls> I can do it no problem on KDE Neon and Kubuntu
825 [04:53:01] <n-iCe> uhm
826 [04:53:05] <JJScrawls> im not sure if I need an additional package on Debian or what
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828 [04:53:26] <n-iCe> should be easy
829 [04:53:36] <n-iCe> replaced-url
830 [04:53:37] <JJScrawls> n-iCe I know
831 [04:53:40] <n-iCe> hehe
832 [04:54:21] <missmbob> JJScrawls: there's #debian-kde on oftc (not here on freenode)
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839 [04:57:08] <bigMouthCommie> so i want to unzip a bunch of files, enter the directory, and perform some functions on those files. i have a for line that i gave bash, but there is a problem
840 [04:57:22] <bigMouthCommie> for i in *zip; do unzip "$i"; cd "$i"; done will try to enter a directory named something.zip instead of something
841 [04:57:25] <bigMouthCommie> any tips??
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843 [04:57:42] <missmbob> bigMouthCommie: /j ##bash
844 [04:57:44] <JJScrawls> n-iCe I am an idiot, thank you for that
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846 [04:57:58] <JJScrawls> I'll wallow in my shame here now
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848 [04:59:04] <n-iCe> JJScrawls: awesome
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854 [05:04:56] <bigMouthCommie> ##bash is a ghost town.
855 [05:05:07] <missmbob> so be patient
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860 [05:06:54] <Tramp> #, not ##
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863 [05:07:52] <missmbob> Tramp: it goes to the same channel
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865 [05:08:38] <Tramp> missmbob: oh, didn't realize that.
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877 [05:22:32] <gry> oops :-D
878 [05:22:57] <gry> doesn't ##bash forward to #bash though? so presumably they're both a ghost town today :)
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939 [06:04:50] <debian_noob> hello?
940 [06:05:45] <Rusty1_> !ask
941 [06:05:46] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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944 [06:07:53] <gry> hi debian_noob! welcome. may I help you?
945 [06:08:14] <uxfi> gry, hi
946 [06:08:36] <debian_noob> I'm having a weird issues with a fresh install of debian stretch
947 [06:08:56] <debian_noob> The UI freezes (no cursor movment; can't ctl-alt-F1 to a tty)
948 [06:09:03] <gry> that's not released yet, right? ask irc://irc.oftc.net/debian-next
949 [06:09:14] <debian_noob> Hard drive LDE (SSD actually goes nuts)
950 [06:09:44] <debian_noob> Ok... I'll give them a spin.
951 [06:10:40] <gry> thanks. :) it is not at freenode, so webchat.freenode.net will not work there.
952 [06:10:51] <gry> you may use replaced-url
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954 [06:10:59] <mutante> in 5 days you can come back and then it should be supported here
955 [06:11:21] <gry> maybe s/he finds a bug to fix before the release, mutante :)
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957 [06:11:28] <mutante> heh :)
958 [06:12:06] <debian_noob_> I've having a weird problem with a fresh install of stretch
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960 [06:12:25] <debian_noob_> UI freezes (cursor stop responding; can't ctl-alt-F1 to a tty)
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962 [06:13:34] <debian_noob_> hard drive (SSD actually) LED goes nuts
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964 [06:14:07] <markand> hello gusy
965 [06:14:13] <markand> at boot I have this error :
966 [06:14:13] <markand> [ 1.953551] iwlwifi 0000:04:00.0: firmware: failed to load iwlwifi-8000C-26.ucode (-2)
967 [06:14:17] <markand> but the wifi works fine though
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969 [06:14:36] <markand> on testing
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971 [06:15:29] <n-iCe> just install it
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974 [06:16:07] <n-iCe> firmware-iwlwifi
975 [06:16:07] <markand> it is already installed
976 [06:16:08] <camh> markand: that's normal. it tries loading the highest number in the module (26) and works its way down until it finds one to load
977 [06:16:33] <markand> ah
978 [06:16:38] <camh> in your logs after that, you should see it successfully loaded a firmware version with a lower number
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980 [06:16:45] <gry> debian_noob_, hi, you are not at oftc right now. please come over to oftc
981 [06:16:55] <gry> debian_noob_, come here, replaced-url
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983 [06:17:34] <markand> I hope that will be fixed before stretch release then
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1005 [06:28:10] <Vasistha> As a "good debian user" (hopefully) I prefer to only install packages through aptitude, from trusted soures (primarily debian mirrors but I use a couple other packes sources I trust). I've been getting into python programming, and I am wondering how to evaluate the safety of pip for installing python libraries? Could it install files in weird places in the file hierarchy? Is there risk of malicious code etc?
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1016 [06:33:21] <gry> Vasistha: python libraries have a rather standard 'setup.py' file layout and format to tell where the files go. typically it just tells the package name and dependencies and it does the right thing then. if the python library author does something crazy, their package would receive negative user reviews (can't tell whether it would be removed from pip then or not -- I don't know). many packages
1017 [06:33:26] <Rusty1_> Vasistha: look into virtualenv
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1019 [06:33:56] <Vasistha> thanks very much gry and Rusty1_
1020 [06:33:58] <gry> Vasistha: from pip are also available as debian packages, so unless version matters, you should install that. (virtualenv is a way to make pip packages go to your home directory rather than be installed system-wide, and is also a good thng)
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1022 [06:34:51] <pfote> +1 for virtualenv
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1027 [06:38:37] <debian_noob_> does anyone know if stretch non-free or the weekly non-free distros include flash
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1044 [06:47:41] <Vasistha> debian_noob_: flash written by adobe? I find that google chrome has good built-in support for flash. I expect there's a FOSS chromium for squeeze will have good support
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1046 [06:48:52] <RafaMAC001> ?
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1048 [06:50:17] <Vasistha> and by squeeze I meant stretch. oops.
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1054 [06:51:58] <debian_noob_> I don't care if it's FOSS or Adobe or whatever (just as long as it's not an NSA zero day).
1055 [06:53:08] <mutante> being FOSS helps with knowing if it is the latter or not
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1057 [06:54:30] <Vasistha> hehe. yup. Adobe flash has a bad history of exploits and poor patching. I don't know about the security track record of the builtin chromium flash support
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1060 [06:56:37] <debian_noob_> Why hasn't someone written a flash shim that just translates flash encoded video/audio into something HTML5 can handle?
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1066 [06:59:21] <gry> debian_noob_: 'html5 everywhere' firefox addon does that
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1071 [07:03:00] <debian_noob_> humm... maybe I'll give html5 everywhere a try
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1077 [07:04:37] <gry> debian_noob_: please do. :)
1078 [07:04:40] <gry> and thanks!
1079 [07:05:38] <debian_noob_> just loaded it... don't think it's going to get rid of my UI hangs, though.
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1083 [07:08:32] <debian_noob_> holy crap it works... audio is massively munged, but still...
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1090 [07:11:18] <gry> how much ram do you have?
1091 [07:13:02] <debian_noob_> which field of /proc/meminfo is physical?
1092 [07:13:29] <gry> no idea sorry.. I would run `htop` and `iotop` and see which resources are hitting the upper limit :<
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1094 [07:14:07] <debian_noob_> I think I'm at slighly under 4GB (intel graphics probably stealing some)
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1096 [07:14:49] <debian_noob_> I'd run one of the performance monitors, but when the UI hangs (which happens randomly/rarely) everything stops
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1098 [07:15:02] <gry> check your system logs for the time when it hangs
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1103 [07:15:47] <debian_noob_> usually the hang necessitates a reboot... ocassionally, I can let the UI timeout and get back in when the lock screen comes up
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1108 [07:19:49] <debian_noob_> WhyTF is evolution-addressbook-factory-subprocess in the iotop top 10?
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1110 [07:20:06] <debian_noob_> two of them actually
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1112 [07:21:13] <gry> it is an address book
1113 [07:21:23] <gry> its program name is 'evolution'
1114 [07:21:27] <gry> what desktop are you using?
1115 [07:22:51] <debian_noob_> standard whatever was loaded with stretch
1116 [07:23:02] <gry> stretch is discussed at #debian-next at oftc, not here
1117 [07:23:11] <gry> use replaced-url
1118 [07:23:55] <debian_noob_> Oh... weird... I thought I was already on debian-next sorry about that.
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1124 [07:25:35] <ozzloy> i'm trying to open torbrowser. used to work. not working recently. here's what happens when i try to run in terminal replaced-url
1125 [07:26:28] <ozzloy> also ps -A|grep tor shows tor is running, doesn't show browser
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1127 [07:26:47] <gry> ozzloy: this warning is harmless. try torbrowser-launcher --safe-mode
1128 [07:27:06] <ozzloy> k
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1131 [07:27:25] <ozzloy> yeah, i see the warning is harmless. i was hoping for something more obviously wrong
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1133 [07:27:56] <ozzloy> there is no "--safe-mode" switch
1134 [07:28:11] <gry> ozzloy: sorry, what does "torbrowser-launcher --help" say?
1135 [07:28:19] <ozzloy> not listed in --help, and i tried anyways and it didn't work
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1137 [07:28:33] <ozzloy> nothing that looks like a safe-mode. there's a "--settings"
1138 [07:28:38] <gry> pastebin the --help output ?
1139 [07:28:41] <ozzloy> i'll see what that does
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1142 [07:29:16] <ozzloy> replaced-url
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1144 [07:30:11] <the_sniff> Hey. I have some Yahoo! Slurp ip that's flooding my server daily on the same time, I've added a robots entry on my website, but it ignores it. I've blocked it on iptables entirely, but I see it's still passing my iptables rule. how should i debug?
1145 [07:30:30] <ozzloy> interesting, --settings popped up a window, which had a list of mirrors, i am trying something other than the default
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1147 [07:31:12] <ozzloy> nope, replaced-url
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1150 [07:33:13] <ozzloy> ps -A |grep tor shows same as before. i wish it were more. monotony bores. i'm starting to snore.
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1153 [07:34:22] <ozzloy> k, i gtg. back tomorrow
1154 [07:34:27] <ozzloy> thanks for trying, gry
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1322 [08:54:37] <PinskyPR> Jews make up 44% of the 1% yet are 1% of the population. #SMASHJEWISHPRIVILEGE
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1385 [09:17:46] <ofg|brtr> Hi
1386 [09:17:56] <ofg|brtr> I want to open telnet on the debian server
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1388 [09:18:33] <ofg|brtr> which right now even **telnet localhost ** retured connection refused.
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1390 [09:18:42] <ofg|brtr> could you help?
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1402 [09:22:25] <rudi_s> ofg|brtr: Do you want to run a telnet server or connect to a running?
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1406 [09:25:07] <ofg|brtr> rudi_s: running telnet server
1407 [09:25:22] <ofg|brtr> which just now is refusing any connection even within itself.
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1409 [09:26:01] <rudi_s> ofg|brtr: May I ask why? Telnet is an insecure protocol.
1410 [09:26:24] <Ticho> why would you want to run a telnet server in a world where SSH exists?
1411 [09:26:31] <ofg|brtr> rudi_s: yes. I know. It is just a test and I need it on my server at the moment
1412 [09:26:40] <rudi_s> ofg|brtr: Did you install telnetd? Is it running?
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1414 [09:27:14] <Ticho> install telnetd or inetutils-telnetd together with some sort of inetd daemon
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1419 [09:28:06] <ofg|brtr> Ticho: yes. inetutils-telnetd what does it do? this package I mean?
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1507 [10:14:20] <Iridos> hm, is the "save file" dialog a common property to all (most/many) programs or something each program does on its own… and if it's common, what's providing it… a gtk library or… ?
1508 [10:15:21] <Iridos> I wonder if there's some way to globally configure it… e.g. so that "enter location" is the default and I could cp&paste a path immediately
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1561 [10:52:51] <k_sze[work]> When I don't have a /etc/locale.gen file, how does locale-gen determine what locales need to be generated?
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1565 [10:54:15] <k_sze[work]> I have a machine that doesn't have a /etc/locale.gen file. Right now if I run `locale-gen`, it generates a bunch of English UTF-8 locales. I have no idea how that happens.
1566 [10:54:29] <k_sze[work]> The manpage of locale-gen doesn't say much.
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1625 [11:36:00] <nix64bit> yes | pv > /dev/null
1626 [11:36:05] <nix64bit> what is that ?
1627 [11:36:29] <johnkeates> it's pooping out the yes command into null
1628 [11:36:56] <nix64bit> I never heard of the yes command
1629 [11:36:56] <johnkeates> the idea being that if you run it really fast, a lot of yes will be transferred and that gives you some number
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1631 [11:37:05] <johnkeates> well, other people have
1632 [11:37:16] <nix64bit> Probably
1633 [11:37:19] <johnkeates> i bet you haven't heard of the zmprov command either
1634 [11:37:21] <johnkeates> or sponge :p
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1636 [11:37:28] <nix64bit> replaced-url
1637 [11:37:33] <johnkeates> lots of people know tail but not head
1638 [11:37:43] <nix64bit> i know tail and head
1639 [11:37:51] <johnkeates> yes that thread was referenced on hackernews
1640 [11:38:05] <nix64bit> what the heck is sponge?
1641 [11:38:16] <johnkeates> it's practically a buffered cat
1642 [11:38:18] <nix64bit> I saw it on hackernews
1643 [11:39:35] <johnkeates> gzexe, mt, vdir, znew, chacl etc are all there by default and lots of people know about them but lots of people also don't know about them
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1647 [11:40:10] <nix64bit> yes pv goes on forever
1648 [11:40:12] <johnkeates> or fgconsole
1649 [11:40:17] <johnkeates> yes it does
1650 [11:40:21] <nix64bit> haha
1651 [11:40:26] <johnkeates> dd if=/dev/zero goes on forever too
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1653 [11:41:09] <nix64bit> Where can I find esoteric unix/linux commands?
1654 [11:41:24] <johnkeates> not sure what you mean by esoteric, but apt-cache will get you whatever's available
1655 [11:41:40] <johnkeates> which is most likely over 60k programs with their own commands
1656 [11:41:41] <nix64bit> too much information
1657 [11:42:44] <new-nick> Hi there, I am trying to use Wi Fi Direct with Debian. There are some out dated details on Web. Just dropping by to get any recent details. I don't want go compiling or any system level to setup Wi-fi Direct
1658 [11:42:56] <nix64bit> its more fun if it is collated as unusual or ineteresting stuff
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1660 [11:43:32] <new-nick> I use Wi Fi hotspot with Debian and hope to get something out of box or package installation to get this works.
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1662 [11:44:21] <nix64bit> I used hostd a while back, it had quite a few options
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1664 [11:44:51] <teraflops> nix64bit: wifi-direct is about the devices not the hostspot
1665 [11:45:02] <new-nick> I am using Gnome Net work manager and there is limited option like Wifi, Wifi hotspot, etc. Is there any other network manager to use for advance networking option , like Wi Fi Direct?
1666 [11:45:51] <teraflops> new-nick: what do you want to do, transfer files?
1667 [11:45:56] <nix64bit> Thats all i know
1668 [11:46:09] <new-nick> teraflops: oh, Wi Fi file sharing not part of Wi fi device/hardware?
1669 [11:46:36] <new-nick> yup. File transfer. From Android device to Debian laptop wirelessly
1670 [11:46:37] <teraflops> yeah device-to-device
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1672 [11:46:59] <teraflops> not related to the ap/hotspot/whatnot
1673 [11:47:08] <teraflops> new-nick: use sftp
1674 [11:47:24] <new-nick> Any alternative for wireless file transfer/sharing without router ?
1675 [11:47:43] <teraflops> iirc kde-connect had such feature
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1679 [11:48:46] <new-nick> So what clear step I have to take now ? Install KDE Connect and use sftp ? How to I connect the devices, without router ?
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1681 [11:49:31] <teraflops> new-nick: if you set up the debian machine as wireless ap/hot-spot you can still use sftp, and you do not need to setup openssh in the android device
1682 [11:49:46] <teraflops> new-nick: just use sftp…
1683 [11:50:11] <new-nick> sounds awesome.
1684 [11:50:12] <teraflops> install the ap you like on the phone
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1690 [11:51:08] <new-nick> ap ? Access point or application ? like Ghost commander, terminal emulator on the phone ?
1691 [11:51:28] <new-nick> Just bear with me for slow understanding. :)
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1701 [11:53:48] <teraflops> new-nick: I use replaced-url
1702 [11:55:18] <teraflops> app^
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1706 [12:00:01] <new-nick> teraflops: thank you! Its different and good start for what I am trying to achieve. I have installed KDE Connect and for getting Turbo client(last update July 2015, later I opt for different sftp client)
1707 [12:01:30] <new-nick> So basically, the steps will be, installing sftp client and connect the the mobile devices to Debian hotspot. And access sftp via Android client.
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1715 [12:02:57] <bezaban> there's airdroid
1716 [12:03:09] <jelly> k_sze[work]: which debian release?
1717 [12:03:26] <bezaban> for wifi file transfer to android phones
1718 [12:03:32] <new-nick> 8
1719 [12:04:41] <new-nick> And Airdroid is closed source and files transfer via their server(Internet). I will be transfering large video files frequently
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1726 [12:09:00] <bezaban> new-nick: via their server? it's tls to a local address
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1729 [12:09:43] <bezaban> but I don't mind what solution you land on, just a suggestion :)
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1735 [12:11:54] <new-nick> I guess Airdroid use local network for communication. Android app act as Web server and can be accessed from computer on same net-work. I have seen guys using it some time back, but open source is primary solution bezaban
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1739 [12:13:19] <new-nick> Airdroid attractive with options and possibilities. I am just trying on KDE Connect and SFTP.
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1741 [12:14:05] <Agirus_> asdfghjkl
1742 [12:14:08] <Agirus_> hey guys
1743 [12:14:54] <new-nick> But not idea how to set it up for sftp. I have OpenSSH on Debian. And Do I have to set up Open SSH server in order for Android sftp client to access the server ?
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1746 [12:15:38] <new-nick> Hopefully, this should works with Debian Hotspot setup. I don't have router or any other dedicated network device.
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1748 [12:16:21] <bezaban> new-nick: yeah, openssh server that is listening on the hotspot interface
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1756 [12:20:04] <new-nick> thank u bezaban. Excited though to get all done!
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1778 [12:31:23] <patsToms> morning
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1780 [12:31:33] <patsToms> can someone help me debug "The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available"?
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1782 [12:33:39] <patsToms> I made my own repo using original with debmirror.
1783 [12:35:21] <erle> patsToms: is apt giving you that message ? check if debian-archive-keyring is installed
1784 [12:35:23] <patsToms> and I got that message on client machine where I try to use that mirrored repo
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1786 [12:35:45] <patsToms> erle, I am using apt-key, is that the same?
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1790 [12:37:17] <erle> patsToms: hmm not exactly, your error is generally telling you it cannot find the public key. The keys are in the file mentioned above
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1792 [12:38:42] <themill> The complete error would be useful
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1794 [12:38:56] <themill> (i.e. which key... )
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1800 [12:43:07] <new-nick> bezaban: Hi there, :) as I said, I am trying now to connect to Android device to computer with Hotspot and use KDE connect. mobile device is connect to Internet back Hotspot but KDE connect (mobile client & KDE connect indiciator) hasn't detect each other
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1802 [12:43:21] <new-nick> Am I missing any thing
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1816 [12:49:02] <patsToms> thanks erle, added key manually and got it working
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1821 [12:51:14] <new-nick> may be I have to change setting/options in order the mobile devices to work as in same network while connecting though hotspot?
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1839 [13:06:37] <gry> hi! i find it a little frustrating that apt lists results in abc order; is there not a way to list them by relevance instead?
1840 [13:07:34] <tremolo> How do you measure relevance?
1841 [13:08:07] <gry> "matches package name" > "is contained in package name" > "is contained in package contents as one of the binaries" > "is contained in package description as its part"
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1843 [13:08:10] <gry> for example...?
1844 [13:08:24] <eugenmayer> having a fresh debian jessie installation, i end up having somehow no free inodes? replaced-url
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1848 [13:11:00] <gry> tremolo: it is just brainstorming at this point :) I just spend quite a fair amount of time reading through the abc ordered list just to find that the relevant package is somewhere in the middle or the end, or I give up and 'google' it, which is less than optimal
1849 [13:11:24] <eugenmayer> it seesm like there are left inodes actually replaced-url
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1852 [13:11:44] <tremolo> Yeah, I was genuinely curious.
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1855 [13:12:42] <gry> :-)
1856 [13:13:32] <petn-randall> eugenmayer: What filesystem is this?
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1925 [13:56:43] <smusiland> Hey, can you help me with this error on boot? Since i can't copy it, i made a video here: 1:52 PM <smusiland> Trump as killed his father news: replaced-url
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1928 [13:56:58] <smusiland> Oh, wrong link/:D
1929 [13:57:12] <smusiland> replaced-url
1930 [13:57:15] <smusiland> ^
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1946 [14:03:28] <Iridos> and nobody will notice that it's the exact same url as above and so they will click your crap… suure
1947 [14:04:22] <ForceRecon> is there an easy way to do full disc encryption after debian is installed without data loss
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1949 [14:04:43] <teraflops> ForceRecon: right after?
1950 [14:04:51] <tremolo> Got an extra disk?
1951 [14:04:53] <ForceRecon> weeks after..
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1953 [14:05:02] <teraflops> ForceRecon: ah, ;)
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1957 [14:06:26] <smusiland> Iridos: they will
1958 [14:06:34] <ForceRecon> I would have thought there would be an application to encrypt your drive if in the event you did not do it during installation.. heh.. oh well.. when I install jessie, I will just blow this away after a backup and then do full disc encryption during the new installation..
1959 [14:06:52] <ForceRecon> whoops stretch
1960 [14:07:13] <smusiland> Oh, yes, it was the exact url. Ctrl-c didn't work :D
1961 [14:07:27] <smusiland> This is the right one with the error: replaced-url
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1970 [14:10:00] <gr8> hi, need some user support here :) I am using Debian with XFCE. I want that the screen is being locked after successful suspend/resume, either from closing the lid or via the menu or via cmd line. What is the "canonical" way to do this? I have googled but it all looks like dirty hacks to me
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1973 [14:11:20] <Iridos> gr8, just use a regular screensaver with a useful duration…
1974 [14:12:08] <Iridos> if the laptop is suspended longer than that time, the screen will be locked (although there is half a second or so after wake-up where the screen is visible and accessible
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1976 [14:13:12] <Iridos> afaik there is no way to have the suspend trigger locking… although I guess it might not be too hard to do it for a single-user system
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1980 [14:14:23] <gr8> Iridos: yes I already have that, but I also want to be able to quickly lock the screen by closing the lid and suspending that way
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1982 [14:14:49] <Iridos> yeah, but I don't think there's anything doing that
1983 [14:14:57] <gr8> phew
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1990 [14:16:15] <gr8> I even have selected "Lock screen when system is going to sleep" in the Power Manager but it doesn't seem to be effective?!
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1995 [14:18:11] <grimsley> can you not simply go into system settings > keyboard > shortcuts and then either edit/create a "Lock screen" option using alt + ctrl + l or super key + l ?
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1998 [14:19:19] <Iridos> yeah… just lock it beforehand… it'd probably be cleaner another way, but I really don't think anyone bothered
1999 [14:19:29] <Iridos> dpkg, suspend
2000 [14:19:29] <dpkg> Suspend can mean either suspend to disk (hibernate) or suspend to RAM. The in-kernel suspend system has worked well since Debian 4.0 "Etch". Installing the pm-utils or hibernate packages along with a front-end like gnome-power-manager or <power devil> should be enough. See also <suspend troubleshooting>, <uswsusp>, <swapwake>, <noresume>, <disable lid suspend>. replaced-url
2001 [14:19:38] <gr8> grimsley: Thanks but I want to have specifically the option to close the lid and suspend+lock.
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2003 [14:20:25] <Iridos> well… google for hooks in the suspend or wake-up process and use xscreensaver-demo to lock
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2009 [14:21:03] <ForceRecon> other than colors for the themes built into debian is there anything else that is different?
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2011 [14:21:11] <grimsley> can you look in systemd.conf for something like HandleLidSwitch=suspend and change to HandleLidSwitch=lock ?
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2013 [14:21:24] <Iridos> seems there's a systemd suspend.target there
2014 [14:21:41] <gr8> this guide mentions disabling the systemd features and using XFCE Power management instead. replaced-url
2015 [14:21:54] <Iridos> replaced-url
2016 [14:22:06] <grimsley> sorry should have been logind.conf
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2018 [14:22:27] <gr8> <3 thanks
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2020 [14:23:00] <gr8> "User=the_login_of_the_user_that_suspends" << what if I have multiple users?
2021 [14:23:01] <grimsley> you will need to restart systemd-logind after to make it qoek
2022 [14:23:04] <grimsley> *work
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2025 [14:23:22] <grimsley> multi-user setup .... oi
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2028 [14:23:44] <gr8> sure man :D
2029 [14:24:04] <grimsley> in theory it should work for all users
2030 [14:24:11] <gr8> (sound volume with multiple users sucks as well btw., but that's a different topic)
2031 [14:24:17] <gr8> *volume management
2032 [14:24:35] <grimsley> you can always test it out to be sure, but like many thinks they are a work in progress (WIP).
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2034 [14:24:41] <gr8> which user should I put in this service description then?
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2040 [14:28:09] <grimsley> you could, and this may a big no-no, is create a user group add all needed users to that group (set permission and whatnot that are needed) and then simply add that group so all users are included.
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2043 [14:28:58] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
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2052 [14:31:05] <ForceRecon> what is the command to check which version of gtk is installed
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2059 [14:34:49] <ForceRecon> is this the correct syntax for adding something to your sources.list
2060 [14:34:51] <ForceRecon> echo 'deb replaced-url
2061 [14:35:45] <petn-randall> ForceRecon: Do you understand what that command does?
2062 [14:36:15] <gr8> thanks grimsley, I'll look into that
2063 [14:36:17] <ForceRecon> I think it adds that repository to the sources.list
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2065 [14:36:40] <ForceRecon> this way when you install something it is being pulled from a source not normally in your sources.list
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2067 [14:37:38] <petn-randall> ForceRecon: echo is a command that you pass parameters, and it'll just output those. In this case it is everything within the single quote. The ">> /path/to/file" part just means "take this output and append it to this file".
2068 [14:37:43] <ForceRecon> the question I really want to know is once you do something like this will it cause issues when you do dist-upgrades
2069 [14:38:05] <petn-randall> ForceRecon: Maybe, maybe not. If you add 3rd party repos you get to keep the pieces.
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2073 [14:38:38] <acecile> hey guys, may I get a little help with cowbuilder using obsolete releases ? I get a release file expired error
2074 [14:38:44] <acecile> replaced-url
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2076 [14:39:03] <petn-randall> ForceRecon: 3rd party repos can be hit-or-miss. Most are of quite poor quality, but a select few are on par with the official repo regarding tests and not-breaking-on-upgrade.
2077 [14:39:34] <acecile> replaced-url
2078 [14:39:35] <judd> Bug replaced-url
2079 [14:39:38] <acecile> pretty annoying
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2081 [14:40:28] <ForceRecon> petn-randall: thanks so much for that explanation.. really.. I am having a bit of trouble seeing well on cinnamon for debian 8. default theme.. too dark and the font colors are not good black on blue or light blue on grey in control center
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2083 [14:41:06] <ForceRecon> petn-randall: I wanted to install this Arc theme as it looks a bit brighter.. but I don't want to mess up my machine either
2084 [14:41:22] <ForceRecon> petn-randall: suggestions on a better way to get the Arc Theme?
2085 [14:42:28] <ForceRecon> petn-randall: replaced-url
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2090 [14:43:55] <ForceRecon> petn-randall: replaced-url
2091 [14:43:59] <ForceRecon> looks promising
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2094 [14:45:18] <aksis> how can i find the PCI id of an ethernet device from its name? I straced ethtool, but i'm not sure which, if any, of the fields in a struct ethtool_cmd describe the PCI id?
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2098 [14:47:40] <BluesKaj> aksis, do you mean the system replcement name for eth0?
2099 [14:47:49] <BluesKaj> systemd that is
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2101 [14:48:08] <aksis> BluesKaj: no, i mean the PCI ID, such as 0000:00:01.1
2102 [14:48:21] <petemc> some reason you cant use lspci ?
2103 [14:48:23] <aksis> ethtool -i gives this info
2104 [14:48:58] <aksis> petemc: if i were going to do that, ethtook -i would be more effective
2105 [14:48:58] <jelly> aksis: ls -ld /sys/class/net/eth0
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2109 [14:49:12] <BluesKaj> aksis, ip a | grep inet
2110 [14:49:19] <ForceRecon> I decided to load up stretch on vmware and test out the arc thing first.. where is the download for stretch?
2111 [14:49:24] <jelly> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 0 Jun 13 14:48 /sys/class/net/eth0 -> ../../devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:19.0/net/eth0
2112 [14:49:25] <ForceRecon> full iso?
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2114 [14:50:06] <jelly> dselect: install stretch
2115 [14:50:06] <dselect> The best way to install Debian 9 "Stretch" is probably using the current release candidate of the installer images. replaced-url
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2117 [14:50:33] <aksis> i'd prefer not to hack a bunch of `system()` calls into my program. maybe i will look at what ethtool authors did...
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2120 [14:50:59] <jelly> aksis: you don't need system() to do a stat()
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2122 [14:52:22] <Iridos> grimsley, that's not how groups work… group id won't work to identify the screen-locking program for multiple user. He'd need to write a script that does some type of heuristics… and there can be multiple graphical logins on the same machine etc. etc. I said it would be fairly simple for a single user system ^^
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2124 [14:53:25] <jelly> there all sorts of stuff in /sys
2125 [14:53:39] <Iridos> it's stuffed with it?
2126 [14:53:41] <darme> if my touchpad is proprietary, graphical installer wont have its drivers?
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2129 [14:54:31] <jelly> Iridos: I mean, they can probably find a file with that info under /sys/class/net/eth0
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2131 [14:55:24] <jelly> if looking up info about a directory entry is too hard to do in their language of choice
2132 [14:55:42] <ForceRecon> I am download amd64 rc5 debian stretch netinst.. seems correct...
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2134 [14:56:59] <grimsley> Iridos: sure, it was just an idea which is why I kind of said it was probably a big no-no to try.
2135 [14:56:59] <jelly> ForceRecon: for a vm that doesn't need non-free firmware? yeah, sounds about right
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2140 [14:59:14] <ForceRecon> thanks jelly, if I do need anything does this document still stand true? - replaced-url
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2142 [14:59:39] <SpaceAce> i'm trying to remember a name of a program i installed years ago on my debian server, how can i list my installed packages from bash>?
2143 [14:59:46] <Iridos> it's not a no-no… that would a working but inadvisable idea… but stuff simply doesn't work that way
2144 [14:59:46] <jelly> ForceRecon: I didn't read that, but
2145 [14:59:52] <jelly> !firmware images
2146 [14:59:52] <dpkg> Unofficial <netinst> images - containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for installing Debian 8 "Jessie" are available from replaced-url
2147 [14:59:57] <Iridos> SpaceAce, dpkg -l
2148 [15:00:07] <SpaceAce> thx Iridos
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2164 [15:07:43] <SpaceAce> Iridos, how would one search the desciption output on dpkg -l?
2165 [15:07:52] <SpaceAce> looking for a handy backup tool that made snapshots of my VPS
2166 [15:07:56] <SpaceAce> and sent them over SFTP
2167 [15:07:59] <SpaceAce> can't remember the tool name
2168 [15:08:00] <SpaceAce> gah
2169 [15:08:47] <webuser5224> Does it make sense to simply install Jessie already if one wants to switch to Stretch and has no special configuration that is tied to Jessie?
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2171 [15:09:11] <webuser5224> Is the update process itself hassle-free?
2172 [15:09:34] <ForceRecon> is the version of gtk in jessie actually apt-cache show transmission-gtk
2173 [15:09:37] <ForceRecon> whoops
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2175 [15:09:48] <ForceRecon> gtk_2.84-0.2_amd64.deb
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2179 [15:10:44] <Iridos> SpaceAce, rsnapshot, duplicity… etc … or maybe search with apt-cache search remote backup (apt-cache search ssh backup )
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2181 [15:11:02] <ForceRecon> ahhh- libgtk-3-0 (>= 3.3.16)
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2183 [15:11:22] <ForceRecon> learning... :)
2184 [15:11:45] <ForceRecon> which when they talk about it online they drop one 3 so 3.16
2185 [15:12:24] <Iridos> webuser5224, using the testing installer and doing the upgrade from stable-->testing should become problem-free(er) the closer the release is
2186 [15:12:53] <webuser5224> I think I only have a stable netinstaller lying around here
2187 [15:13:22] <Iridos> (if there are problems, report them)
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2189 [15:13:42] <ForceRecon> why when you install linux does it create wired connections if you are using wireless. then when you connect via wireless it say you are connected wired..
2190 [15:13:51] <Iridos> dpkg, jessie->stretch
2191 [15:13:52] <dpkg> Remember that Debian 9 "Stretch" is still pre-release and that security support will not always be timely. Read (at least) the upgrading chapter of the <stretch release notes> replaced-url
2192 [15:14:32] <ForceRecon> I also noticed that even though I am connected wirelessly with wireless ac that my connection speed in the control panel is 1mbs
2193 [15:14:38] <ForceRecon> hmmm
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2202 [15:21:04] <webuser5224> Iridos, thank you.
2203 [15:21:10] <webuser5224> What if I upgrade after the release, though?
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2219 [15:27:48] <Iridos> what then…
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2221 [15:28:32] <Iridos> just use the name "stretch" in your sources.list - if you write "testing" into your sources.list, you will continue to track testing when stretch releases
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2271 [15:54:29] <missmbob> and screw your system up badly because the blood that happens into testing right after release is amazing
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2274 [15:54:51] <missmbob> s/blood/flood
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2278 [15:58:34] <dockly> missmbob: it is alive, it bleeds :O
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2283 [16:00:35] <ddybing> Hi! I've created a very simple script which finds a specific partition (NTFS) and mounts it with "mount -t ntfs-3g /dev/$part /mnt". It totally works, but it makes some weird output, like "Resource unavailable" Is there any way of discarding this output?
2284 [16:00:45] <ddybing> I tried to redirect to /dev/null, but that doesn't seem to work ?
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2286 [16:00:59] <dockly> ddybing: why not use /etc/fstab for this?
2287 [16:00:59] <tremolo> Redirect stderr to /dev/null?
2288 [16:01:10] <KingsQuest> make ntfs compatible with linux longest filenames like vista
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2292 [16:03:02] <ddybing> dockly: Because the partition number may vary for computer to computer. Sorry, I forgot to say it's a debootstrap live.
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2294 [16:03:30] <ddybing> tremolo: Thank you, I will try that.
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2297 [16:04:15] <ForceRecon> Running in software rendering mode.. why does this occur
2298 [16:04:23] <tremolo> Might also be worth looking at /dev/disk/by-partuuid/ if it's the same disk/partition.
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2301 [16:05:06] <ddybing> tremolo: Thank you. It's made to find a partition that most likely contains Windows (largest partition on the system) and then mount it
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2304 [16:05:43] <tremolo> Ah, so not the same partition
2305 [16:05:47] <ddybing> correct
2306 [16:06:14] <tremolo> Then by-partuuid isn't going to help.
2307 [16:06:52] <KingsQuest> we need operating systems and hermophrodite porn
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2312 [16:09:26] <Iridos> missmbob, oh… I thought "blood" was pretty accurate :D bleeding edge…. or so ^^
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2315 [16:10:53] <Iridos> ddybing, use the uuid to mount the disk… then use fstab? (look for devices in /dev/disk/by-uuid/ )
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2319 [16:11:37] <Iridos> ops, someone already said that
2320 [16:11:41] <Iridos> or something very close
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2322 [16:12:19] <ddybing> Iridos: Thank you - yeah, the UUID will vary since it will be used on different machines, so not sure that's going to work ;-) But thank you anyway!
2323 [16:12:22] <Iridos> backlogs are HARD
2324 [16:13:07] <Iridos> you could give all windows partitions the label "windows" and then use by-label
2325 [16:13:13] <Iridos> that'd be cleaner
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2327 [16:13:48] <ddybing> Yep, absolutely. This script will be run on Windows computers right out of box, so that's a little out of my control :D
2328 [16:13:58] <ddybing> But yes, good idea.
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2336 [16:17:30] <ogham> Is there a package that will configure most of my multimedia/function keys under X, or must I configure each manually? (They just work (tm) if I use gnome, but this is now i3)
2337 [16:18:01] <KingsQuest> hello :D
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2339 [16:18:08] <KingsQuest> :D
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2342 [16:20:27] <ForceRecon> well I installed stretch, took some time in vmware.. worked okay.. did not prompt to encrypt the drive.. however, came up really nice with the exception of the software rendering mode always.. then I installed arc, nice and clean..
2343 [16:20:37] <ForceRecon> gonna have to work on that software rendering mode
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2357 [16:26:14] <theseb> What is fix when you run lots of apps at same time and things slow down due to that? I have a mildly old computer with 4 Gb RAM. Would simply doubling the RAM make worlds of difference?
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2362 [16:28:09] <missmbob> yes. that's how you'd fix it
2363 [16:28:14] <ogham> Ahh.. gnome-settings-daemon, doh.
2364 [16:28:58] <Iridos> I'd look with vmstat and iotop if you're really running out of ram and swapping… but yeah, it's a likely cause
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2373 [16:33:57] <theseb> Iridos: replaced-url
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2391 [16:42:34] <Iridos> look if your experienced slowness correlates with io happening there
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2426 [16:58:24] <ruied> Hi. I am installing an hp server. I would like to have the server to have /boot on SDcard and the system on a (raid1 2x1TB disks). Is it a problem to have /boot with ext4? journaling is a problem for sdcard but since the files in /boot so not change I do not know if the filesystem keeps writing some journaling info on sdcard.
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2447 [17:08:07] <Iridos> ruied, I don't see a problem with that
2448 [17:08:28] <debian-addict> GUZZLER
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2452 [17:08:53] <john_rambo> I have installed some apps from the backports ...Will apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade update those apps. If not what is the procedure ?
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2454 [17:09:14] <missmbob> yes it will
2455 [17:09:27] <john_rambo> Okay/Thanks
2456 [17:09:28] <greycat> But only if a newer backport is made.
2457 [17:09:55] <john_rambo> greycat, Meaning ?
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2460 [17:10:20] <Iridos> meaning it will only update to newer versions than you have installed
2461 [17:10:24] <greycat> The packages in backports don't get updated very often, as far as I know.
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2463 [17:10:44] <john_rambo> Got it
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2465 [17:10:59] <Iridos> if the older package in stable gets a security fix, that will still be an older version than you have installed and nothing will happen
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2470 [17:11:43] <greycat> The backported version may or may not even have the same bugs. Depends on the package.
2471 [17:11:59] <john_rambo> Iridos, I have installed firejail from backports ... Its not in the main repos
2472 [17:12:10] <greycat> ,v firejail
2473 [17:12:11] <judd> Package: firejail on amd64 -- jessie-backports: 0.9.44.8-2~bpo8+1; stretch: 0.9.44.8-2; sid: 0.9.44.8-2; experimental: 0.9.46-2
2474 [17:12:18] <greycat> ok
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2476 [17:13:45] <Iridos> dpkg, backport caveat
2477 [17:13:45] <dpkg> Remember that in installing backports, you will be using an unusual configuration of packages that has not been tested as thoroughly as Debian stable and that newer packages have both newer features and newer bugs. Ask me about <version chasing>. Also note that you can't rely on backports to be patched quickly if vulnerabilities are discovered.
2478 [17:13:51] <greycat> (he left)
2479 [17:13:55] <Iridos> oh ^^
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2481 [17:14:20] <Iridos> thanks
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2488 [17:16:41] <cujotus> debian is good name for distro
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2492 [17:17:51] <dob1> hi, what do I need to mount an usb drive? I have an user that doesn't belong to sudo, on xfce4 when i connect the usb drive it asks the password of another user, what i need ?
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2495 [17:18:07] <dob1> sorry bad english
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2502 [17:19:13] <Iridos> guess the user logged in should be in the plugdev group?
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2505 [17:20:49] <dob1> Iridos, it is in plugdev group
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2507 [17:21:20] <dob1> but it asks the password of another user that it's no logged.. I need to add, mount/umount to sudoers for this user?
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2511 [17:22:11] <greycat> Which user's password is it asking for? What does the prompt actually say?
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2513 [17:23:12] <greycat> I don't know this desktop stuff, but maybe it's asking for the password of the first user who logged into xfce? Just a guess.
2514 [17:23:13] <dob1> greycat, it's asking the password for another user that is in sudo group, the prompt is my language, it asks the superuser password
2515 [17:23:27] <greycat> Oh, root password. That's totally different.
2516 [17:23:31] <dob1> greycat, no
2517 [17:23:49] <dob1> it ask the password for another user that is in the sudo group, it's not asking root one
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2519 [17:24:32] <greycat> Did you login to firstuser, then logout, then login to seconduser? And now it's asking for firstuser's password?
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2523 [17:25:00] <dob1> greycat, the first user never login
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2525 [17:25:32] <teraflops> dob1: is it a secret? the user name
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2528 [17:25:57] <dob1> teraflops, it's not a secret, it's like dob1
2529 [17:26:00] <dob1> a normal user
2530 [17:26:12] <dob1> it can make sense if it asks root password, but why the password of another user??
2531 [17:27:04] <dob1> it's udisk that asks this
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2533 [17:27:24] <mtn> dob1: sounds like your first user is the admin, use that password when it asks for the password.
2534 [17:27:41] <mtn> this sounds like mint or ubuntu
2535 [17:27:41] <teraflops> are you sure it's not gnome keyring daemon? and it is asking for a passwd for unlocking it? not for mounting the drive?
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2537 [17:28:25] <dob1> it's udisk that asks it
2538 [17:28:33] <dob1> mtn, it's debian jessie
2539 [17:28:50] <mtn> dob1: did you try the first user's password?
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2541 [17:29:08] <dob1> mtn, it works if i use this password, but i don't want to give it to the other user.
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2546 [17:29:41] <mtn> dob1: well, that is your admin (superuser) password. you must have not set up a root account on this install
2547 [17:29:51] <dob1> well it works, it's not true, it mount the usb drive but the permissions are on the other user (the one of the password) so the original user can't read it
2548 [17:30:03] <teraflops> weird
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2550 [17:30:15] <teraflops> did you rename the user?
2551 [17:30:37] <salomon_> Probably asking for password of ext4fs owner
2552 [17:30:38] <dob1> teraflops, no, they are just 2 normal users, the only difference is that one is in the sudo group, the other no
2553 [17:31:28] <salomon_> Yeah there you go.. dob1 needs to sudo or be root to mount devices.
2554 [17:31:39] <salomon_> Sudoer
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2558 [17:33:04] <dob1> so i need to add mount and umount to sudoers for this user?
2559 [17:33:28] <greycat> I'm still confused why anything is asking for dob1's password if you're logged in as dob2.
2560 [17:33:31] <salomon_> most probably if the user is in sudo allready
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2563 [17:33:57] <dob1> greycat, me too, as I said, imho, root password makes sense, but why other user password?
2564 [17:33:58] <Iridos> dob1, have you rebooted since the problem appeared?
2565 [17:33:59] <salomon_> And I'm Gone
2566 [17:34:09] <salomon_> afk
2567 [17:34:13] <dob1> Iridos, I am testing
2568 [17:34:26] <mtn> dob1: because you don't have a root account or password, so it uses the first user, which is considered the admin account
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2570 [17:34:38] <Iridos> maybe
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2572 [17:35:27] <mtn> this is normal in sudo only installs
2573 [17:35:32] <Iridos> well, there is a root account… it's existence is hardcoded in more places than you think…
2574 [17:35:36] <celyr> So -4 to 9
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2577 [17:36:23] <Iridos> anyway, I think I hit a somewhat similar problem with udisk a long time ago
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2580 [17:36:54] <Iridos> but as far as I remember… I tried in vein to debug it… and it went away on a reboot
2581 [17:37:20] <Iridos> or maybe already with restarting polkitd or one of its sisters and brothers
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2586 [17:39:18] <celyr> so far I upgraed 2 machines without any problem
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2591 [17:41:18] <Iridos> dob1, /etc/localauthority/50-local.d/custom.pkla on my machine has a line: Identity=unix-group:plugdev
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2593 [17:42:06] <Iridos> but also, /etc/polkit-1/localauthority.conf.d/50-localauthority.conf contains AdminIdentities=unix-user:0
2594 [17:42:33] <Iridos> and that is the default and should be sufficient as long as you are logged in with that user graphically and on display :0
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2596 [17:43:08] <SuperTramp83> don't try 'in vein', u'll bleed out :P
2597 [17:43:09] <dob1> Iridos, thansk i take a look, but i think i will give mount/umount in sudoers and tell the other user to manually mount
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2607 [17:45:37] <Iridos> if you add it in fstab and the user is in the plugdev group, he should also be able to use pmount and pumount without sudo
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2611 [17:48:11] <Iridos> hm, or stuff like pcmanfm automatcally mounts into /media/$USER/disk-label … that might even work when the udisk command doesn't
2612 [17:48:38] <Violinist> ummm
2613 [17:48:45] <Violinist> chrome is fully broken now
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2615 [17:49:06] <Violinist> wth did u guys do
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2619 [17:50:48] <mtn> Violinist: debian does not supply or support chrome
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2621 [17:51:09] <Violinist> steam is broken
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2625 [17:52:15] <greycat> google-chrome has been working for me, but with version 59 note that they moved from gtk2 to gtk3, so you have to redo the magic pixie dust to make Ctrl-U (etc.) work in text/entry fields
2626 [17:52:31] <greycat> that's the only problem I've run into
2627 [17:52:51] <Violinist> greycat, what version of debian is that
2628 [17:53:04] <greycat> Both jessie and stretch. I use the google-chrome-stable version on both.
2629 [17:53:16] <greycat> ii google-chrome-stable 59.0.3071.86-1 amd64 The web browser from Google
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2631 [17:53:36] <Violinist> im on wheezy
2632 [17:53:40] <greycat> Psssht.
2633 [17:53:47] <greycat> Good luck with that.
2634 [17:54:03] <greycat> I have plenty of wheezy boxes, but they are servers. They don't have web browsers.
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2637 [17:55:02] <celyr> time to get at least jessie
2638 [17:55:04] <Violinist> they ruined gnome is jessie
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2640 [17:55:31] <Violinist> probly same issue in stretch
2641 [17:55:41] <Violinist> probly even more ruined
2642 [17:55:47] <greycat> !mate
2643 [17:55:47] <dpkg> The MATE Desktop Environment is a fork of GNOME 2, available since Debian 8 "Jessie" (and also in wheezy-backports). To install, ask me about <install mate>. replaced-url
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2645 [17:56:03] <celyr> !xfce
2646 [17:56:03] <dpkg> Xfce is a pretty nifty Desktop Environment. Lightweight, fast, compact. To install, ask me about <install xfce>. replaced-url
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2663 [18:01:24] <Violinist> i downloaded the debian strech installer
2664 [18:01:38] <Violinist> then i put on usb w untebootin
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2666 [18:01:49] <Violinist> but wasnt able to boot from it
2667 [18:01:56] <greycat> !unetbootin
2668 [18:01:56] <dpkg> UNetbootin (Universal Netboot Installer) allows creation of bootable USB drives for a variety of Linux distributions. replaced-url
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2670 [18:03:26] <Violinist> is there a nice gui program for this yet
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2672 [18:03:47] <Violinist> watever hapen to that one disk program
2673 [18:03:59] <greycat> You already have wheezy. Why didn't you just write the installer to USB from there? It would be a hundred times easier.
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2688 [18:08:34] <Violinist> how to do that
2689 [18:08:35] <Violinist> dd?
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2691 [18:08:49] <greycat> You can use dd. Or just cp filename.iso /dev/sdwhaever
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2693 [18:08:58] <Violinist> oh rly
2694 [18:09:02] <greycat> e.g. cp debian<TAB> /dev/sdb
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2700 [18:10:16] <zeroday404> /msg NickServ REGISTER blah blah
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2705 [18:12:39] <zeroday404> any idea how to register nickname and connect to official #offsec channel
2706 [18:12:50] <greycat> /msg nickserv help
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2708 [18:13:04] <greycat> I don't know what #offsec is.
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2711 [18:13:58] <zeroday404> it's the official offensive security IRC
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2715 [18:14:44] <greycat> What IRC network is it supposed to be on?
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2718 [18:15:21] <zeroday404> we are suppose to register our nickname and then use " /join #offsec" command to join the offsec server
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2720 [18:15:43] <zeroday404> admin around?
2721 [18:15:43] <greycat> Go to #freenode if you need help with Freenode's nickserv.
2722 [18:16:21] <teraflops> admin of what?
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2724 [18:17:08] <toruvinn> zeroday404, /msg nickserv help register
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2728 [18:17:20] <anggadjaputra> ^
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2730 [18:17:37] <anggadjaputra> followed by "/join #offsec"?
2731 [18:17:51] <greycat> If that channel is on this network, it's incredibly well hidden.
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2733 [18:18:07] <teraflops> they are hackers^
2734 [18:18:27] <greycat> If you can't even figure out how to use nickserv, I think you've got your work cut out for you in becoming a hacker.
2735 [18:18:34] <teraflops> hehe
2736 [18:18:36] <anggadjaputra> haha
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2747 [18:20:13] <chunkzz> Debian stretch soon?
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2749 [18:20:18] <teraflops> read topic
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2754 [18:20:54] <chunkzz> Nice! Cheers.
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2761 [18:24:27] <ElDiabolo> Hi. I am checking for leftover init scripts. One that I have found is cyrus2.2. How do I remove that.
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2763 [18:25:06] <ksk> ElDiabolo: why would you? check from which package its from using "dpkg -S /path/to/initscript"
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2765 [18:25:22] <ElDiabolo> Is aptitude purge cyrus-common-2.2 a reasonable thing to do? I'm afraid it might remove my current cyrus config.
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2770 [18:25:47] <ksk> if you wanna remove it thats a way to do it. delete should be enough though.
2771 [18:26:02] <ksk> it=the cyrus package
2772 [18:26:09] <ksk> if you reinstall it there will probably be an initscript again..
2773 [18:26:15] <dD_> Hi, I'm trying to install virtualbox but I get a "Bad return status for module build on kernel: 4.9.0-3-amd64 (x86_64)" error. Is the kernel not supported? What can I do?
2774 [18:26:16] <greycat> Why are you trying to remove an init script for a package you are actually using?
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2780 [18:27:16] <ElDiabolo> greycat, The package has been removed, the script remained. I am using cyrus2.4 now.
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2783 [18:28:25] <greycat> ou have searched for packages that names contain cyrus2.4 in all suites, all sections, and all architectures.
2784 [18:28:28] <greycat> Sorry, your search gave no results
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2798 [18:32:36] <ElDiabolo> greycat, It is actually cyrus-imapd-2.4, but never mind ..
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2864 [19:05:28] <mcon> How do I get a non-graphic console in Debian9 (stretch)? Normal "Ctr+Alt+F#" shows some system messages, but no input is available. What am I missing? Google search did not shoe anything I didn't know :(
2865 [19:05:40] <greycat> ctrl-alt-f2 should work
2866 [19:05:51] <greycat> Did you try pressing Enter?
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2869 [19:06:54] <greycat> The prompt might have appeared before some kernel messages or whatever. Pressing Enter should give you another prompt.
2870 [19:06:55] <mcon> greycat: Yes, that was the first I did (and tried again just now, before answering).
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2875 [19:09:03] <mcon> greycat: Thanks, but that doesn't seem to be the problem. I also tried to enter many [CR], even if something is wrong with the monitor it should start scrolling up. It doesn't.
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2898 [19:16:53] <OS-27748> Hi
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2908 [19:22:49] <zuiss1> should i go with debian 9 for a new install? or 8 and upgrade later? it's for daily use home laptop
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2910 [19:23:14] <greycat> I'd do stretch (9) now, unless you need jessie for some specific reason.
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2913 [19:23:39] <greycat> We're 4 days from the release, so things shouldn't change much.
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2921 [19:26:33] <zuiss1> wow, only 4 days?
2922 [19:26:37] <zuiss1> cool
2923 [19:26:41] <francine> yes
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2925 [19:26:43] <greycat> see /topic
2926 [19:26:53] <zuiss1> nice
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2928 [19:27:16] <francine> It's ETA, not a fixed release date, remind that :)
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2930 [19:27:31] <francine> *remember
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2961 [19:46:11] <James123> I am trying "find . -name "*foo*" -exec cp {} foo-$RANDOM \;" but $RANDOM gets evaluated only once... any ideas to fix that, or achieve something similar in another way?
2962 [19:46:25] <greycat> you need to -exec a shell
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2964 [19:46:44] <greycat> -exec bash -c 'for f; do cp "$f" foo-"$RANDOM"; done' x {} +
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2966 [19:47:18] <James123> greycat, thank you very much
2967 [19:47:35] <chunkzz> Will Debian be moving to LXQt?
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2979 [19:53:32] <prasket> chunkzz, as default? not sure.. I have not seen nor heard anything like that. You can still choose it via installer.
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2983 [19:55:25] <chunkzz> prasket: as an option would be great too
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2990 [19:55:58] <tremolo> LXQt?
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2993 [19:57:35] <lucnx> XFCE
2994 [19:57:45] <lucnx> de best eva
2995 [19:57:46] <chunkzz> tremolo: yep
2996 [19:58:03] <chunkzz> Replaces lxde lol
2997 [19:58:04] <tremolo> Is that a QT version of LXDE?
2998 [19:58:11] <chunkzz> Yeah
2999 [19:58:15] <tremolo> aha
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3001 [19:58:40] <chunkzz> Lubuntu are moving to it too
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3003 [19:58:49] <chunkzz> When? Dunno.
3004 [19:59:08] <chunkzz> It's in stretch because auction uses it
3005 [19:59:14] <chunkzz> Siduction
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3008 [20:00:54] <tremolo> nice
3009 [20:01:15] <hiya> how to move from testing to stretch
3010 [20:01:16] <hiya> ?
3011 [20:01:22] <tremolo> I'm back to KDE for a while now.
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3015 [20:02:28] <greycat> hiya: change "testing" to "stretch" in /etc/apt/sources.list, and then apt-get update
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3021 [20:04:48] <hiya> is it ready now?
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3025 [20:06:30] <zuiss1> you're already using it...
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3027 [20:06:41] <hiya> yes
3028 [20:06:41] <jolt> hiya: No official release yet
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3032 [20:06:50] <zuiss1> then why ask if it's ready
3033 [20:06:55] <jolt> hiya: Read topic, ETA 06-17
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3035 [20:07:08] <hiya> I have just replaced testing with stretch
3036 [20:07:21] <hiya> lets see what all gets updated now
3037 [20:08:01] <tremolo> Currently, stretch and testing are the same.
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3045 [20:09:21] <teraflops> bad days for having testing instead of stretch in sources.list unless you know what you're doing
3046 [20:09:30] <hiya> nothing got updated even after changing it to stretch
3047 [20:09:32] <tremolo> Changing "testing" to "stretch" will cause you to stay with Stretch when Stretch becomes Stable instead of following the new testing.
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3049 [20:09:55] <petn-randall> hiya: That's expected, read tremolo's comments.
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3053 [20:10:21] <hiya> Yes, I just did. I would redo this on 17th and see what happens.
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3056 [20:10:46] <hiya> Anyone else here using Seafile? Why is it not included in repo?
3057 [20:10:47] <harha_> Hey. why would 'sudo apt-key add keyfile' return 'OK', yet if I try to list with 'apt-key list' the new key does not list in there..?
3058 [20:11:48] <tomnor> is there a way to make my display handling aware of laptop in docking station and not in docking station?
3059 [20:12:04] <tomnor> and that lid is closed in docking stations
3060 [20:12:08] <tomnor> and that lid is closed in docking station
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3063 [20:12:30] <tomnor> so that no application is shown on the closed lid display
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3068 [20:13:40] <tomnor> there is a slight enoyance when hotplugging to the docking station
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3074 [20:16:09] <tomnor> for example emacs might be still shown on the lid display (2) after plugging in to the docking station, but the lid is closed
3075 [20:16:24] <tomnor> so I have to drag it from somewhere I cannot see
3076 [20:16:39] <tomnor> unto display (1) primary
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3078 [20:17:21] <tomnor> when docking in with lid closed I want it all to be displayed on (1)
3079 [20:18:18] <tomnor> It can also happen after unplugging during sleep that I have to enter my login while I cannot see it
3080 [20:18:29] <tomnor> on the laptop only
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3093 [20:25:51] <jdennis1> So I'm trying to get a module to load on Stretch with Asterisk and I keep getting this. asterisk: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/asterisk/modules/res_digium_phone.so: undefined symbol: SSL_library_init
3094 [20:25:51] <petn-randall> harha_: Are you sure you're adding the right key?
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3098 [20:26:53] <harha_> petn-randall; Well I'm using debian 8.7 stable and I've tried adding the key according to jenkins documentation.
3099 [20:26:56] <harha_> As in here; replaced-url
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3101 [20:27:23] <jdennis1> I have the following libssl's installed. libssl1.0.0:amd64, libssl1.0.2:amd64, libssl1.1:amd64 I'm assuming it's requiring a version lower than libssl1.1, but not using it. Any suggestions how I can get asterisk/this module to use one of the older already installed SSL libraries?
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3104 [20:27:55] <jdennis1> I went to remove libssl1.1 package and it was gonna remove like 50+ packages, so that seemed like a bad idea
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3130 [20:39:33] <ForceRecon> there are no man pages on grub2
3131 [20:39:54] <ForceRecon> any information on the debian site on it
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3145 [20:43:34] <mtn> ForceRecon: you could check out the arch wiki
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3171 [20:52:22] <ForceRecon> mtn:Thanks I found this and it is okay.. will look for more - replaced-url
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3175 [20:54:34] <tdn> On a server without X, is there an easy way of adding a printer and configuring it so that I can print PDFs via lpr?
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3177 [20:55:47] <greycat> CUPS has a web interface as well as commands. You don't need X, and you could probably ssh tunnel the CUPS web port to the machine where your browser is.
3178 [20:56:52] <dob1> there is cups-pdf package
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3186 [21:00:17] <hanasaki> what is the channel for stretch?
3187 [21:00:53] <ForceRecon> #debian-next in irc.oftc.net server
3188 [21:01:26] <tdn> greycat, so I just install cups and configure it via web interface and then it'll work from command line?
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3198 [21:09:23] <zjoeke> hi im trying to install some wifi drivers into debian but where do i put them?
3199 [21:10:28] <mtn> zjoeke: depends. did you look at the wiki about your device?
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3203 [21:11:56] <hanasaki> ForceRecon: it says invite required
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3207 [21:12:24] <mtn> hanasaki: did you go to oftc.net, not freenode?
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3211 [21:13:18] <zjoeke> yes its the zd1211rw i downlaoded the .tar but it has no configure file
3212 [21:13:30] <hanasaki> is that the same net as this channel is on?
3213 [21:13:42] <mtn> hanasaki: nope, this is freenode, not oftc.net
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3224 [21:18:10] <zjoeke> is there a .deb package somewhere would make it allot easier.i installed from a live usb but it had no drivers
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3229 [21:20:09] <zjoeke> im surfing of another live cd that does have the drivers already added
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3237 [21:27:00] <zjoeke> why wouldnt devs add wifi drivers to a live iso of debian beats me! all other linux cds had them
3238 [21:27:27] <greycat> !live firmware
3239 [21:27:27] <dpkg> Live images with firmware included can be found at replaced-url
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3248 [21:31:04] <zjoeke> i only need these drivers then i can connect to the net and use packet manager
3249 [21:31:31] <greycat> !firmware images
3250 [21:31:32] <dpkg> Unofficial <netinst> images - containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for installing Debian 8 "Jessie" are available from replaced-url
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3253 [21:32:40] <zjoeke> wel how to install them from the .tar i got i mean
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3258 [21:33:48] <greycat> Are you saying that the driver is NOT in Debian's non-free section at all, and you have to COMPILE it yourself? Are you 100% certain of this? This would be highly vexing.
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3261 [21:35:22] <dionysus69> why doesnt this work ? echo "some mac address" | wakeonlan
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3263 [21:35:50] <dionysus69> wakeonlan can work only with mac addresses I read online but how can I pipe mac address to it using an alias or using some kind of shortcut
3264 [21:35:59] <greycat> What *does* work?
3265 [21:37:26] <dionysus69> wakeonlan mac-address < works
3266 [21:37:46] <dionysus69> to wake pc with magic packet, I assume you are aware of this tool :)
3267 [21:38:17] <jmcnaught> dionysus69: use '-' by itself or "-f -" to get it to read from stdin
3268 [21:38:26] <greycat> So you just want a shell function that lets you pipe the MAC address on stdin instead of as an argument? This should work: wol() { wakeonlan "$(cat)"; }
3269 [21:38:57] <greycat> There are lots of ways it could be written.
3270 [21:39:05] <dionysus69> I actually just made an alias with a full command :D I didnt think of that at start
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3272 [21:39:39] <dionysus69> thanks anyway :)
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3274 [21:41:53] <zjoeke> would this file work with dpkg -i firmware-zd1211_3.0.0.56-3_all.deb
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3296 [21:50:03] <douglas> lkj
3297 [21:50:03] <douglas> kljlkj
3298 [21:50:04] <douglas> kllkkljlkj
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3340 [22:09:56] <GJdan> So debian 9 comes out this month, yes?
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3342 [22:10:11] <GJdan> will I face any troubles upgrading my old debian 7 server after debian 9 comes out?
3343 [22:10:30] <greycat> You can't go straight from 7 to 9. You have to upgrade to 8, then to 9.
3344 [22:10:59] <greycat> Wheezy (Debian 7) is "oldstable" now, and support only exists in limited form from the Wheezy LTS team.
3345 [22:11:10] <greycat> !wheezy lts
3346 [22:11:11] <dpkg> Security support for Debian 7 "Wheezy" from the Debian Security Team ended on 2016-04-25. The amd64, i386, armel and armhf architectures receive additional long term support (LTS) via <wheezy/updates> until 2018-05-31. See replaced-url
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3372 [22:21:41] <jhutchins> hiya: It is recommended that you keep the actual release name in your source list. If you have "testing", when stretch releases your updates will start to get new files from sid that have been held back for the freeze.
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3384 [22:29:14] <jhutchins> mc try "reset <enter>"
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3387 [22:30:02] <jhutchins> Buffers and I are not getting along. I should go do something else.
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3400 [22:35:31] <Bliepo> I am preparing my system for the upgrade to stretch and just noticed I have the following in /etc/apt/preferences.d/testing.pref: Package: dnsmasq
3401 [22:35:50] <Bliepo> Thing is: should this file even be there or is it one I created myself
3402 [22:36:35] <dob1> I have nothing in that dir and I have dnsmasq installed
3403 [22:36:48] <Bliepo> And you use Jessie?
3404 [22:36:52] <dob1> yes
3405 [22:36:55] <greycat> I have nothing in that dir, on jessie or stretch, but I've never used dnsmasq.
3406 [22:37:11] <Bliepo> Then I probably created the files there myself
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3408 [22:37:28] <Bliepo> Now that I think about it, my history file is infinite so checking should be easy
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3410 [22:37:53] <dob1> but anyway I don't think that this in some way fail the upgrade
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3413 [22:38:21] <Bliepo> Probably not, but I don't want to risk it
3414 [22:38:25] <GJdan> ah
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3416 [22:38:44] <GJdan> so the repos are still up, and I can bring it up to the latest version of 7, but then I have to update to 8 and then to 9
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3418 [22:39:03] <GJdan> how long until the repos for 7 are gone?
3419 [22:39:26] <dob1> 2018 (?)
3420 [22:39:29] <GJdan> cause its a hypervisor I'm ugrading, and I need to make sure the services on its domUs stay live while I upgrade in case anything goes wrong
3421 [22:39:32] <GJdan> ah
3422 [22:39:38] <GJdan> so a little while at any rate
3423 [22:39:42] <dob1> it's lts wheezy if i am not wrong
3424 [22:39:50] <greycat> GJdan: it said in the wheezy lts factoid.
3425 [22:40:08] <GJdan> oh so it did... sorry I'm blind
3426 [22:40:10] <greycat> The repos won't *vanish*; they just won't get any new security updates.
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3429 [22:41:15] <greycat> At some point it'll probably be moved to archive.debian.org like squeeze, or maybe not, who knows....
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3439 [22:47:01] <n_blownapart> hello a few weeks back I had a little meltdown by sending copious files to a directory I eventually deleted. My system is working pretty well, but two things I notice: on startup, I get "Failed to start Apache Web Server." Also, when attempting to update the locate db with " $ updatedb, " I get 'command not found. any pointers please ?
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3442 [22:47:27] <n_blownapart> this is jessie 8 on a 32 bit laptop
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3444 [22:48:18] <greycat> For the latter, apt-get --reinstall install mlocate
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3447 [22:51:46] <n_blownapart> thank you greycat I tried that but without the --reinstall flag.
3448 [22:51:55] <DammitJim> oh man, I am soooo ready to break my machine :D
3449 [22:52:03] <DammitJim> I'm on Jessie and would like to install ifuse
3450 [22:52:16] <DammitJim> it seems this was available on Wheezy and is available on stretch
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3454 [22:52:19] <DammitJim> but not on jessie
3455 [22:52:20] <DammitJim> *sigh*
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3458 [22:52:45] <DammitJim> or just wait until the 17th ;)
3459 [22:53:14] <greycat> ,v ifuse
3460 [22:53:15] <judd> Package: ifuse on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.0.0-1+b1; sid: 1.1.2-0.1+b5; stretch: 1.1.2-0.1+b5
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3462 [22:53:25] <greycat> ,checkbackport ifuse
3463 [22:53:26] <judd> Backporting package ifuse in sid→jessie/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using jessie.
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3467 [22:53:38] <greycat> You could try a backport. Dunno what's involved in that package.
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3471 [22:54:03] <greycat> Then again, if you are definitely going to upgrade to stretch anyway....
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3475 [22:54:28] <DammitJim> yeah, I'll just wait until the 17th
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3477 [22:54:41] <DammitJim> to upgrade, I just have to change my repos, right?
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3481 [22:55:07] <DammitJim> man, this is awesome... this will be the 3rd time (really 2nd) time I upgrade Debian on this machine
3482 [22:55:15] <DammitJim> started with Wheezy
3483 [22:55:37] <greycat> dpkg, jessie->stretch
3484 [22:55:37] <dpkg> Remember that Debian 9 "Stretch" is still pre-release and that security support will not always be timely. Read (at least) the upgrading chapter of the <stretch release notes> replaced-url
3485 [22:56:03] <n_blownapart> greycat, after reinstall, when I use updatedb, I get "updatedb: can not open a temporary file for /var/lib/mlocate/mlocate.db" .. It could be that I deleted that file earlier during my fauxPas?
3486 [22:56:10] <DammitJim> ha, BACKUP ANY DATA!
3487 [22:56:14] <DammitJim> of course!
3488 [22:56:38] <DammitJim> I need to let the machine backup for like 3 hours, I think... to external USB... Clonezilla...
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3490 [22:56:55] <greycat> n_blownapart: well... does that file exist? Does the directory exist?
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3494 [22:59:24] <n_blownapart> yes greycat when I do $ cat mlocate.db from within /var/lib/ mlocate .. I get "mlocate.db : permission denied
3495 [22:59:54] <greycat> Then the failure to open a temp file could be a disk space issue, or that you forgot to run updatedb as root.
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3498 [23:00:21] <n_blownapart> greycat, oh you must always run it as root? Or just the initial use?
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3500 [23:01:03] <greycat> All uses, if you intend to modify the system-wide database.
3501 [23:01:24] <n_blownapart> thanks I think its working with sudo greycat. appreciated
3502 [23:01:25] <greycat> It wouldn't be cool if fred could taint the system-wide mlocate.db so barney gets invalid results.
3503 [23:01:38] <n_blownapart> word
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3507 [23:03:16] <n_blownapart> I used to use an excellent find /locate command that used something like " sumptin sumptin grep | sumptin " anyone know what I mean?
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3510 [23:03:54] <n_blownapart> I think it was particularly for applications?
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3512 [23:04:07] <jolt> n_blownapart: you can use just "find /usr |grep bash" if that is waht you mean
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3515 [23:05:00] <ryouma> can sometimes be faster to use -iname if you can
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3519 [23:06:42] <n_blownapart> jolt that returns more than I bargained for. :) I think a particular app or file goes in the last spot. wanna say it uses locate
3520 [23:07:54] <n_blownapart> locate -flag grep | ___ ... or somesuch.
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3527 [23:11:29] <dob1> ntop on jessie, i put on /etc/default/ntop GETOPT="-W 4223" but seems not to work
3528 [23:11:43] <dob1> it doesn't recognize -W options but on man ntop is present
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3532 [23:13:52] <dob1> FATAL ERROR: unknown ntop option, 'W'
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3534 [23:15:17] <n_blownapart> one more thing kindly: is the apache web server on debian jessie 8 needed for anything for a dude learning basic haskell programming ?
3535 [23:15:54] <greycat> Only if you plan to develop Apache web content.
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3537 [23:16:07] <greycat> (or modules)
3538 [23:16:09] <n_blownapart> greycat, cool thanks
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3553 [23:28:34] <kion> does tomcat server run on top of apache or is it a standalone server?
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3556 [23:30:07] <missmbob> usually you run it with apache. you can run it without
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3558 [23:30:17] <missmbob> replaced-url
3559 [23:30:40] <kion> missmbob, thanks let me take a look at the link
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3591 [23:47:23] <blahxblah> if i have a debian stretch/9 'testing' install, is it possible to move *back* to stable ? since the stable is transitioning to 9 soon, anyway
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3595 [23:50:00] <missmbob> !downgrade
3596 [23:50:01] <dpkg> Downgrading is not, nor will ever be supported by apt. Programs change their data in a way that can't be rolled back, and package maintainer scripts support upgrades to new config file formats but not downgrades. Try: "dpkg -i olderversion.deb" or "aptitude install package=version" using "apt-cache policy package" to get the old version number. See also <partial downgrade>, <unstable->testing>, <sdo>.
3597 [23:51:13] <blahxblah> 'Stretch is the development codename for Debian 9. It is the current testing distribution, now in full freeze. '
3598 [23:51:54] <prasket> blahxblah, the code for that will be in stable on Saturday right?
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3600 [23:53:28] <blahxblah> not 100% sure how it works to be honest
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3603 [23:55:42] <dob1> you can change in source list to testing to stretch, and try an apt-upgrade dry-run
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3605 [23:55:49] <dob1> *from testing
3606 [23:56:09] <dob1> to see what happen
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3612 [23:59:52] <blahxblah> yeah actually i just tried that before you mentioned it
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