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• 46[00:24:05] <precise> Hey guys, besides not being able to suspend-to-disk, are there any downsides to encrypting /swap with dm-crypt and a random key?
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• 49[00:24:24] <Somelauw> Are the live iso installers also updated. I tried installing Debian Stretch a month ago, but had some issues getting it to install. I don't remember the precise nature, but it had something to do with the SSD. Has there been any progress on that. Would it be wise to try installing it again?
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• 52[00:25:47] <precise> Somelauw: You re-downloaded the ISO I take it?
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• 55[00:26:40] <missmbob> Somelauw: live iso images arent meant to be used as installers. they have major known bugs like no efi support
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• 57[00:27:25] <Somelauw> I tried the installer from the main menu.
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• 59[00:27:39] <missmbob> doesnt matter matter
• 60[00:28:00] <Nothing4You> matter doesn't matter
• 61[00:28:08] <precise> Oh, I missed that detail.
• 62[00:28:24] <precise> Yeah, if it was a live USB ISO it isn't meant to be used in that manner.
• 63[00:28:38] <precise> I assumed you got the DVD image.
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• 65[00:29:33] <precise> brb
• 66[00:29:53] <precise> back
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• 68[00:31:25] <tw> I've never encountered any problems using a swap device with a random key. I bet with some work you could even make it work with suspend to disk.
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• 72[00:33:45] <precise> tw: Yeah, I'm not too worried about that functionality. I just want to make sure there aren't any known or glaring issues. I am wiping Ubuntu and installing Debian, so I am just covering all my bases.
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• 74[00:35:49] <precise> WTF, this chmod setting 644 to files and 755 to dierctories isn't working on this external HDD, it just worked like 15 minutes ago. Unplugged it for a moment and now it won't take...
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• 79[00:37:44] <precise> That's wierd, removing and re-adding th device by physically unplugging it and plugging it back in did the trick...
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• 83[00:39:29] <slashme_wiki> Problems that go away by themselves come back by themselves.
• 84[00:40:33] <precise> slashme_wiki: I know :P
• 85[00:40:51] <precise> slashme_wiki: I'm not too worried about it as this system is about to get NFO, but none-the-less :P
• 86[00:41:08] <slashme_wiki> :-D But of course, when things are working I usually also can't be arsed to debug with full force.
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• 88[00:41:17] <precise> heh
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• 91[00:41:58] <precise> Ubuntu errored out on an update, gave some error regarding linux-firmware not existing. I thought about it and realised I had been procrastinating on a re-install for quite some time.
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• 102[00:47:45] <anadahz> Does Debian jessie keeps a backup of the partition table?
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• 107[00:49:13] <dvs> anadahz, GPT partitions do automatically
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• 114[00:54:25] <anadahz> dvs thx, what about MBR partitions?
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• 119[00:56:12] <dvs> anadahz, no such automatic mechanism
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• 121[00:57:22] <anadahz> I'm on a system with deleted partitions but has all the partitions mounted, is there a way to recover the MBR partition table?
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• 158[01:17:11] <TomG2> anadahz, yeah maybe. i seem to recall there is some way
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• 161[01:17:36] <TomG2> there's /proc/partitions for example, maybe you can rebuild your MBR with that information
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• 201[01:55:19] <john_rambo> Videos are playing without sound ....Was playing fine under Mint >>>> replaced-url
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• 209[01:58:23] <phogg> john_rambo: what is your ao method?
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• 217[01:59:36] <john_rambo> phogg, I am not mentioning any ao ...Dont knoe how to do that ... Just doing mplayer filename.mkv
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• 219[01:59:59] <jmcnaught> does sound work in anything else?
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• 221[02:00:26] <precise> I am installing on a laptop w/ 1 SSD and 1 HDD, i'd like to encrypt everything except /boot. I plan on placing /boot, /, and another custom partition on the SSD. /home and /swap on the HDD. The proper way to go about this would be to create the partitions and then select create encrypted volumes, encrypting each newly created partition, correct?
• 222[02:00:30] <john_rambo> jmcnaught, It works on Chromium
• 223[02:00:34] <phogg> john_rambo: mplayer -ao help to see a list of supported ao methods
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• 226[02:01:10] <phogg> john_rambo: is chromium currently running? If you have no sound server and an application has locked your audio device you may be unable to play sounds from other applications.
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• 228[02:01:51] <john_rambo> phogg, When I play mp3s they play fine
• 229[02:02:27] <phogg> john_rambo: if it's just mplayer then... find out what ao method is being used. You can also try adding -v to mplayer for more detailed output.
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• 231[02:02:53] <john_rambo> Tried -ao alsa still no sound ....Trying -v now
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• 235[02:05:56] <dunderproto> Is it possible to cross compile an app for windows from debian using an open-source compiler? I have heard some suggest mingw for this purpose.
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• 241[02:08:48] <xormor> GNU+Linux
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• 317[03:17:54] <ephemer0l> precise: you *can* suspend to disk/swap with luks, lvm, fs. I just dont know how broken it is on this platform.
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• 319[03:19:37] <TheChubu> has anybody had issues with Network Manager since they changed the ids of each network interface?
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• 321[03:19:55] <TheChubu> i had to switch to wicd since it fails when authenticating over a wifi
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• 323[03:20:10] <TheChubu> but wicd for reasons unkown only supports one connection at a time
• 324[03:20:14] <TheChubu> so i can say, use ethernet and wifi
• 325[03:20:21] <TheChubu> *cant
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• 380[03:53:23] <DeaDSouL> Hi, is there a cable like the usb headers cable, but for the usb ports? not usb headers?
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• 397[04:08:14] <ryouma> i'd like to find that too, for a keyboard
• 398[04:08:28] <ryouma> but try hardware channel, not here
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• 422[04:28:15] <omi> hey
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• 438[04:46:42] <egrain> when i try grub-install --target=i386-pc /dev/sda it gives me this: grub-probe: error: cannot find a GRUB drive for /dev/sda2. Check your device.map. any one any idea?
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• 442[04:49:17] <ephemer0l> fstab/mtab empty
• 443[04:49:19] <ephemer0l> ?
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• 448[04:53:08] <egrain> ephemer0l, no? looks okay. it works when i do it on sda3, but if i chroot to sda2 it doesn't work. and when i do grub-probe -d /dev/sda2 i get ths same error. grub-probe ...sda3 gives me ext2.
• 449[04:53:22] <egrain> ephemer0l, if you want i'll paste them though.
• 450[04:54:24] <ephemer0l> egrain: you want it in the first 2MB of the drive, not the part. Are you chainloading grub?
• 451[04:54:27] <egrain> ephemer0l, there you go, if you want to see yourself: replaced-url
• 452[04:54:56] <egrain> i'm not exactly sure what chainloading means. so i would no?
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• 454[04:55:30] <ephemer0l> like you are using another bootloader to boot, then it boots grub
• 455[04:55:36] <egrain> no.
• 456[04:56:10] <egrain> and i do have the 2mb drive for the BIOS BOOT. see: replaced-url
• 457[04:56:30] <ephemer0l> and /boot is on /
• 458[04:56:37] <egrain> yes
• 459[04:56:57] <egrain> it installs fine when i do it on the host system (sda3). but in chroot on sda2 it doesn't work.
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• 461[04:57:25] <ephemer0l> are you doing it *from* the chroot?
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• 463[04:57:34] <ephemer0l> the chroot might not have an updated mtab
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• 469[04:59:13] <egrain> ephemer0l, diff -y --suppress-common-lines /etc/mtab /mnt/new/etc/mtab give me nothing. same files.
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• 473[05:01:05] <ephemer0l> why are you reinstalling? oh, not a rolling release...
• 474[05:01:05] <ephemer0l> egrain hang around for someone who uses this broken distro. I come here to complain when I have the misfortune of using it, and complain here instead of filing bugs on how bad it is.
• 475[05:02:10] <egrain> ephemer0l, what?
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• 477[05:02:14] <egrain> did i upset you?
• 478[05:02:36] <TheChubu> using testing is kinda like a rolling release
• 479[05:02:39] <TheChubu> sort of
• 480[05:02:42] <TheChubu> hopefully
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• 482[05:03:33] <ephemer0l> whats in device.map egrain. no not you at all.
• 483[05:03:39] <egrain> i could choose between debian 7 and 8 when i had the server isntalled. so i went with 8. i guess that was wrong. i apologize.
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• 486[05:04:07] <ephemer0l> egrain: nono, I just dont like debian. Please dont take it personal.
• 487[05:04:29] <egrain> i'm not. i just don't want to upset anyone. happened to me last time i was here.
• 488[05:04:39] <egrain> the debianies seems awfully touchy.
• 489[05:04:46] <ephemer0l> heh, ask how to compile drivers in #centos :-P
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• 492[05:06:31] <ephemer0l> egrain: this mentions a similar issue replaced-url
• 493[05:07:14] <egrain> i see.
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• 495[05:07:23] <CherryCheeks> hey everyone <3
• 496[05:07:42] <egrain> i think i found the problem though. in /etc/mtab it says sda2 is still mounted as /mnt/root.x86_64/mnt which it isn't.
• 497[05:07:55] <egrain> question is: is it wise to poke around in /proc/mounts with vi?
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• 500[05:08:39] <CherryCheeks> I finally decided to rid windows 10 off my desktop and not regretting it ever. i am playing bnet games and gta v just fine in debian 8 jessie stable I have everything setup and working how I want linux FTW
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• 502[05:08:45] <ephemer0l> 'grep -v rootfs /proc/mounts > /etc/mtab' ?
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• 505[05:10:04] <ephemer0l> 'mount -a' should reload fstab
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• 508[05:13:28] <TheChubu> CherryCheeks: wine? vm with gpu passthrough?
• 509[05:13:57] <somiaj> ephemer0l: what are you trying to do?
• 510[05:14:11] <ephemer0l> somiaj: help egrain
• 511[05:14:18] <somiaj> ahh
• 512[05:14:48] <ryouma> CherryCheeks: \O/
• 513[05:14:57] <egrain> somiaj, yeah, help me!
• 514[05:15:06] <ephemer0l> :-P
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• 516[05:16:48] <somiaj> egrain: I missed the original question and it appears you are getting help
• 517[05:17:05] <egrain> well, we are both trying. feel free to chip in.
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• 519[05:18:06] <egrain> anyway, ephemer0l, if i /etc/mtab points to /proc/mounts anyway. so writing stuff there doesn't change anything.
• 520[05:18:30] <egrain> and mount -a didn't change anything either.
• 521[05:18:37] <egrain> i'll just edit it by hand. if it explodes, it explodes.
• 522[05:19:22] <egrain> hmm "readonly" option is set. ... maybe i shouldn't ...
• 523[05:19:23] <ephemer0l> but is it that way in the chroot?
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• 525[05:20:17] <ephemer0l> or is this from /
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• 528[05:20:58] <somiaj> egrain: what is the issue? What does 'mount' return?
• 529[05:21:14] <somiaj> oh there is a chroot going on? That could change things
• 530[05:21:35] <egrain> it says sda2 is still mounted somewhere it isn't. problem is i mounted it in chroot, but exited it without umounting it. so now the system's feelings are hurt.
• 531[05:22:14] <somiaj> and if you enter in the chroot again, it isn't regeistered as being mounted?
• 532[05:22:23] <egrain> nope.
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• 534[05:23:30] <ephemer0l> edit /etc/mtab, use :wq! ?
• 535[05:23:48] <ephemer0l> else you reboot, chroot, and redo grub.
• 536[05:24:01] <egrain> yeah, i think that's the best way.
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• 538[05:24:16] <somiaj> did you have /proc, /dev, /sys, mounted vya --bind in the chroot
• 539[05:24:28] <egrain> rbind yes.
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• 541[05:24:43] <egrain> and proc via mount -t proc /proc proc
• 542[05:25:23] <ephemer0l> does the / /etc/mtab look right, but the chroot one doesnt?
• 543[05:25:46] <somiaj> have you tried unmount -l (lazy) or unmount -f (force) on the bad mount?
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• 545[05:26:25] <somiaj> although not the best option, sometimes a reboot is the fastest than figuring this out
• 546[05:26:44] <egrain> i know. i know. remote server. i'm reluctant.
• 547[05:26:54] <egrain> anyway, i'm reinstalling grub on the host system and then i'll restart.
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• 550[05:28:32] <ephemer0l> egrain: does the / /etc/mtab report correctly?
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• 553[05:28:57] <ephemer0l> mount -a should update it...
• 554[05:29:05] <egrain> not in the chroot.
• 555[05:29:09] <egrain> i'll check.
• 556[05:29:26] <ephemer0l> no, but unmount with -f if need be, and redo the chroot
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• 559[05:30:24] <egrain> umount /dev/sda2 and -f give me both: umount: /mnt/root.x86_64/mnt: not mounted
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• 561[05:31:32] <ephemer0l> and /proc in the chroot?
• 562[05:31:39] <egrain> too late. rebooted.
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• 564[05:31:48] <ephemer0l> :-P 'fixed'
• 565[05:32:00] <egrain> that's if she comes back.
• 566[05:32:04] <ephemer0l> good luck. I'm wandering off
• 567[05:32:07] <ephemer0l> be well
• 568[05:32:09] <egrain> thanks.
• 569[05:32:16] <egrain> be safe.
• 570[05:32:19] <egrain> she's back!
• 571[05:32:21] <egrain> phew...
• 572[05:32:34] <egrain> took her long enough...
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• 575[05:33:24] <egrain> now would you look at this: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sda2,
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• 580[05:36:44] <somiaj> what command gave you that info? Are you sure /dev/sda2 isn't swap, lvm or something like that? What does fdisk -l /dev/sda give for an mbr partiton?
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• 582[05:37:18] <egrain> somiaj, i tried to mount it. here is fdisk -l: /dev/sda2 6144 4001988 3995845 1.9G Linux filesystem oh, and it's gpt.
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• 585[05:38:42] <egrain> well, doesn't matter. i just have to everything again. as long as i don't have to use the install service i call this a win.
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• 587[05:39:01] <egrain> especially since if i can't mount it by hand now, the system wouldn't be able to mount it during reboot and then i wouldn't have know what's going on.
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• 589[05:39:22] <egrain> anyway, thanks for your help of course.
• 590[05:39:51] <somiaj> then you'll have to use partd to look at the partition table.
• 591[05:40:13] <egrain> now grub-probe -d /dev/sda2 gives me "unknown filesystem" though.
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• 595[05:40:28] <egrain> i use cfdisk usually.
• 596[05:40:38] <egrain> partd isn't installed either.
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• 604[05:43:31] <somiaj> egrain: cfdisk won't work with gpt partition tables either I belive. you need parted, gparted, or something like that.
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• 606[05:43:42] <egrain> it does. it just can't create them.
• 607[05:43:47] <egrain> well, it can. but not rewrite.
• 608[05:43:55] <egrain> as in, change from mbr to gpt.
• 609[05:44:10] <egrain> i always used cfdisk without any problem with mbr and gpt. so not to worry.
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• 644[06:13:23] <goyol> hello debian!
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• 655[06:20:24] <egrain> somiaj, all went well this time.
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• 657[06:20:26] <egrain> thanks again for your help.
• 658[06:20:29] <egrain> sleep well when you do.
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• 676[06:38:21] <z8z> How to migrate from debian 8 to debian 9 when the release comes out? Just change repos and upgrade will do it?
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• 681[06:39:34] <lendo> z8z: almost
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• 683[06:39:50] <lendo> apt-get dist-upgrade
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• 693[06:48:59] <z8z> lendo: ye by upgrade i ment that
• 694[06:49:10] <z8z> lendo: will that be enough?
• 695[06:50:02] <lendo> in most case
• 696[06:50:14] <lendo> you should read the upgrade man
• 697[06:51:09] <lendo> i always did kamikaze upgrade without problem
• 698[06:51:14] <z8z> lendo: Ok thanks... at least this give me an idea
• 699[06:51:32] <z8z> lendo: Ye did the same with very small irrelevant problems too
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• 714[07:00:20] <lendo> z8z: backup and try :P
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• 752[07:30:20] <ryzokuken> wtf
• 753[07:30:40] <ryzokuken> the documentation on replaced-url
• 754[07:30:53] <ryzokuken> I mean, it did warn that doing those could result in a broken system
• 755[07:31:09] <ryzokuken> but not that they would definitely end up with a broken system.
• 756[07:31:23] <ryzokuken> it made me remove network manager ffs
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• 758[07:31:32] <ryzokuken> which made it impossible to install it back
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• 760[07:32:26] <SwedeMike> ryzokuken: network manager isn't required for basic operation of the OS. Well, not if you know how to do things without it.
• 761[07:32:46] * cheapie is not using network-mangler
• 762[07:33:00] <cheapie> And I still seem to have a network :)
• 763[07:33:05] <ryzokuken> how can I do anything without network manager? Don't I need it to connect to the internet?
• 764[07:33:12] <SwedeMike> ryzokuken: no.
• 765[07:33:27] <ryzokuken> well, in my case, it seemed impossible
• 766[07:33:34] <ryzokuken> but i would definitely love to know how
• 767[07:33:47] <Voldenet> what's a network manager?
• 768[07:34:02] * Voldenet still uses ifconfig
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• 770[07:34:03] <SwedeMike> ryzokuken: well, you can run "dhclient eth0" and it'll set an IP-adress, default gateway etc. Or you can manually configure IP address, default gateway and DNS resolver.
• 771[07:34:36] <ryzokuken> okay. I guess the indicator applet induced much of the panic
• 772[07:34:39] <SwedeMike> ryzokuken: replaced-url
• 773[07:34:47] <ryzokuken> it doesn't show any alternatives
• 774[07:34:49] <cheapie> Voldenet: It's a daemon that automatically breaks networking for you so you don't have to break it yourself.
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• 777[07:36:14] <Voldenet> cheapie: That's useful, I'm going to install it on all my servers now ;)
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• 780[07:37:48] <ryzokuken> would removing any of THESE packages break my system? replaced-url
• 781[07:37:58] <ryzokuken> SwedeMike, ^
• 782[07:38:25] <Voldenet> but hm, probably doing purge on arbitrary packages is not the best idea
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• 786[07:38:46] <ryzokuken> aptitude purge `dpkg --get-selections | grep deinstall | cut -f 1`
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• 788[07:38:49] <ryzokuken> doing this
• 789[07:38:51] <ryzokuken> as per the wiki
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• 792[07:39:30] <SwedeMike> ryzokuken: I have no idea what you mean by breakage. dnsmasq might be needed for DNS to work, so if you can't configure dns resolving manually, that might "break" for you.
• 793[07:39:36] <ryzokuken> what could go wrong? (apart from accidentally purging the network manager and then blowing my brains out trying to figure out how to make internet work without working internet to consult)
• 794[07:40:04] <ryzokuken> SwedeMike, so that package is required for the proper functioning of my system, right?
• 795[07:40:16] <ryzokuken> then removing it will break my installation
• 796[07:40:28] <SwedeMike> ryzokuken: no, it's not. But if you have no idea how to work around that it's gone, then you might think that it broke your system and it's unfixable.
• 797[07:40:40] <ryzokuken> exactly
• 798[07:41:02] <ryzokuken> I don't exactly want to figure out billion dollar issues
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• 801[07:41:43] <ryzokuken> I'm okay with a little GNOME residue as long as I don't have to fix an (almost) unfixable computer
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• 803[07:43:52] <SwedeMike> ryzokuken: people who know what they're doing typically package these kinds of things up nicely for people who just want things to work. You're now leaving that path and are trying to change things around, so that is always risky. So you should decide whether you want to keep on the main path (don't do what you're trying to do), or change things around and learn something along the way.
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• 805[07:45:03] <ryzokuken> SwedeMike, actually, I didn't really want to leave the path. But things like this usually make me end up chrooting to my broken system
• 806[07:45:16] <ryzokuken> SwedeMike, I was following steps in the official documentation.
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• 808[07:45:30] <ryzokuken> I didn't suppose I would have to end up troubleshooting
• 809[07:47:14] <SwedeMike> ryzokuken: well, the official documentation when it says "this might break your system" probably means that "you'll need some skill to fix the result", and being manually able to set IP-adress, gateway and DNS resolver, is probably something the person who wrote the documentation presumed the person doing this, would know.
• 810[07:47:29] <ryzokuken> I get you.
• 811[07:47:51] <ryzokuken> SwedeMike, that said, is there a more foolproof way to clean my installation of any traces of GNOME
• 812[07:48:12] <ryzokuken> also, does any residue of another DE really affect my current experience?
• 813[07:48:31] <SwedeMike> ryzokuken: I don't know.
• 814[07:48:48] <SwedeMike> I'd imagine not.
• 815[07:48:55] <ryzokuken> back in Ubuntu land, they had flavors opinionated to DEs.
• 816[07:49:14] <ryzokuken> So I wouldn't really install XFCE on Kubuntu, I'd rather install Xubuntu.
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• 818[07:49:44] <ryzokuken> There's no such line of separation between DEs in Debian, I feel.
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• 820[07:50:09] <ryzokuken> It's just vanilla debian with no DE preferences
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• 824[07:52:08] <SwedeMike> ryzokuken: why did you switch to debian?
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• 827[07:54:00] <ryzokuken> SwedeMike, I have been trying to switch to more "free" alternatives
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• 830[07:54:54] <ryzokuken> also, speed
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• 836[07:58:55] <SwedeMike> so there is always a trade-off.
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• 1007[09:32:37] <renzhi> is there a way to tell terminal to process the Windows key?
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• 1010[09:33:16] <rendar> i have edited .bashrc to add an alias, but when i login it doesn't work, command is not found, but when i call 'bash' manually from command line, then i gets loaded and it works, how's that possible?!
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• 1012[09:34:08] <buu> renzhi: in short: no
• 1013[09:34:21] <buu> rendar: bash processes different files depending on how it is executed
• 1014[09:34:31] <buu> e.g. as a shell, as a login shell, whoses user, etc
• 1015[09:34:51] <renzhi> buu: thx
• 1016[09:34:56] <rendar> buu: hmm, this user is 'postgres', so how i can check that?
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• 1018[09:35:05] <themill> rendar: log in how?
• 1019[09:35:13] <renzhi> it'd have been very useful for shortcut key
• 1020[09:35:29] <rendar> themill: from ssh console
• 1021[09:35:34] <buu> renzhi: I mean, terminals don't really process keys, also windows keys are usually insanely special
• 1022[09:35:51] <buu> renzhi: you'd need to configure your desktop/kernel to output a specific key sequence (eg ctrl-f15) when you press it
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• 1025[09:35:54] <themill> rendar: what is the user's shell?
• 1026[09:35:57] <rendar> bash
• 1027[09:36:01] <buu> then use some other program to read that key sequence and respond
• 1028[09:36:02] <themill> are you sure?
• 1029[09:36:12] <rendar> themill: i'm in front of passwd
• 1030[09:36:24] <buu> rendar: what does your .bashrc file look like?
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• 1032[09:36:30] <rendar> postgres:x:109:120:PostgreSQL administrator,,,:/var/lib/postgresql:/bin/bash
• 1033[09:36:44] <rendar> postgres@rasp0:~$ cat .bashrc
• 1034[09:36:44] <rendar> alias db='psql -d cherrypick_db_test -U postgres -v schema=ck'
• 1035[09:36:44] <rendar> alias dbjoe='psql -d cherrypick_db_test -U joe -v schema=ck'
• 1036[09:36:46] <themill> ok, that's unusual for a daemon, hence checking
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• 1039[09:37:06] <renzhi> actually, I usually run emacsclient in terminal, the fact that no terminal can send the Win key to emacsclient is quite annoying
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• 1043[09:37:19] <buu> renzhi: well, win key isn't an actual key sequence
• 1044[09:37:22] <buu> you need to remap it
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• 1046[09:37:38] <renzhi> buu: any easy way to do so?
• 1047[09:37:45] <buu> replaced-url
• 1048[09:38:12] <renzhi> thx
• 1049[09:38:39] <buu> renzhi: scroll down to the xmodmap stuff for the major details
• 1050[09:38:53] <renzhi> k
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• 1058[09:41:17] <rendar> themill: any help?
• 1059[09:42:30] <themill> does a ~/.bash_profile or ~/.bash_login exist?
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• 1061[09:42:36] <themill> bash startup files ick ick
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• 1063[09:45:17] <jelly> rendar: do you ssh directly into postgres@remote ?
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• 1068[09:47:49] <jelly> or do you log in as some other user, then open a shell as postgres using "su postgres" or "sudo -u postgres -i" or "su - postgres", and which one precisely
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• 1078[09:49:44] <jelly> bash manual has a whole INVOCATION section on which rc files it may use in case it's started as a login shell vs. a mere interactive shell
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• 1092[09:57:11] <neb1> Hello
• 1093[09:57:29] <neb1> Dites le mode rescue est censé ne pas démarrer les services réseaux ?
• 1094[09:57:47] <jelly> dselect: fr
• 1095[09:57:47] <dselect> Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debianfr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debianfr.
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• 1152[10:26:22] <strk> is it expected for dpkg-buildpackage to exit with a success code (0) while not producing any .deb file ?
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• 1154[10:26:44] <strk> ah, found it, it's one level up (sounds dangerous!)
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• 1171[10:43:53] <darme> what are frozen packages?
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• 1198[10:59:06] <r4mpage> 09:43 < darme> what are frozen packages?
• 1199[10:59:16] <r4mpage> like frozen yogurt, always delicious
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• 1201[10:59:50] <r4mpage> (those you do not want to modify, say you don't want to upgrade your kernel automagically by accident)
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• 1210[11:05:16] <jelly> darme: no such thing. There's a "frozen" repo/release branch sometimes, and there's a "held" or package "on hold"
• 1211[11:05:32] <jelly> any context for that question, darme?
• 1212[11:05:50] <jelly> dselect: frozen
• 1213[11:05:50] <dselect> well, frozen is the state software resides in /before/ it becomes stable. Frozen means no new packages/features can be added, only bugs can be fixed. Frozen does /not/ mean stable. <Jessie> is now frozen: replaced-url
• 1214[11:06:05] <jelly> whoa, that's a bit outdated
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• 1216[11:06:39] <nix64bit> well pip uses "pip freeze" to list all package versions but thats more a python thing
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• 1218[11:07:08] <jelly> replaced-url
• 1219[11:07:34] <darme> jelly: im just waiting for stretch to be released. goin to migrate to debian. maybe i could start migrating today?
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• 1222[11:08:56] <jelly> darme: depends on what your systems have installed, and whether you have services exposed to internet that ought to get security updated. With stretch, that might not happen for a week or two.
• 1223[11:09:11] <jelly> assuming the release date happens as predicted
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• 1225[11:09:32] <nix64bit> I have updated to stretch on my local dev box but not on any servers
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• 1228[11:10:06] <jelly> I've done a release upgrade on some unimportant stuff that's not in production yet, but users wanted a mysql newer than 5.5
• 1229[11:10:16] <jelly> (mariadb 10.1 was good enough for them)
• 1230[11:10:32] <jelly> (and that's default for stretch)
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• 1232[11:11:24] <jelly> darme: you can certainly start testing today, there's not going to be many significant changes
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• 1255[11:22:28] <jarlopez> Hi. Currently running Stretch with Gnome as the DE and running into suspension issues. Both 'systemctl suspend' and the GUI approach turn the laptop off and the system boots back up wthout resuming. Any general tips or places to help me debug this?
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• 1275[11:32:06] <vadimkolchev> Hi, guys. Have awful screen tearing with intel graphics. Visible when dragging windows. Do not experience this on other distros. Am I missing anything?
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• 1303[11:46:44] <rendar> themill: nope they don't exisf
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• 1312[11:48:13] <g0zzy> I'm trying to set up port forwarding on this Virgin Media router but can't seem to get in (via Teamviewer). Can anyone see why from this short nmap scan? replaced-url
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• 1318[11:53:32] <teraflops> g0zzy: I thought teamviewer was meant for not having to deal with nat^
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• 1327[11:57:39] <g0zzy> Well i'm setting it up so i don't have to use it. I update my client machine over ssh not Teamviewer
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• 1331[11:59:24] <g0zzy> I mean this modem router is functioning as that, but its web interface definitely isn't functioning by the looks. I thought someone more network savvy might see from the scan that it's been set up in a tricksy way
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• 1366[12:16:17] <g0zzy> If a modem-router telnet port is showing 'closed' in nmap would a possible explanation be?
• 1367[12:16:25] <g0zzy> what would
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• 1376[12:20:27] <strk> that the connection was recently closed (should disappear after a while)
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• 1383[12:30:10] <meldron> hey guys, got a question about gnome touch functionallity, is there a way to deactivate this menu which you can swipe into view from the bottom of the screen?
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• 1394[12:32:41] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
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• 1409[12:40:58] <g0zzy> strk: Right. So if i scan it again now (last done about 1 hour ago)?
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• 1419[12:44:58] <strk> g0zzy: I'd guess after one hour it should be gone, yes, unless it was re-opened - can you check on the other side of the connection ?
• 1420[12:46:18] <gwolf23> vadimkolchev: replaced-url
• 1421[12:46:50] <gwolf23> This usually resolves tearing for me
• 1422[12:47:03] <teraflops> gwolf23: they left like an hour ago
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• 1424[12:47:52] <gwolf23> my bad :/
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• 1427[12:48:46] <teraflops> heh np
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• 1430[12:49:57] <teraflops> tearing can be a pain in the ass, because xorg…
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• 1438[12:53:33] <ZSky> Hey! I have lines like:
• 1439[12:54:05] <ZSky> replaced-url
• 1440[12:54:17] <ZSky> how to keep the IPs only ?
• 1441[12:54:27] <ZSky> with bash ?
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• 1445[12:56:01] <ZSky> => 12.23.34.34
• 1446[12:56:04] <teraflops> ZSky: from _where_ are you getting that output?
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• 1448[12:56:34] <ZSky> log files
• 1449[12:56:37] <teraflops> ZSky: and what's your goal?
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• 1451[12:57:00] <ZSky> to parse a log file
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• 1453[12:57:07] <teraflops> ZSky: mind being a bit more specific? which log file?
• 1454[12:57:11] <ZSky> and to be able to extract some informations like IP
• 1455[12:57:36] <ZSky> Well, here it's just an example with a internet access log
• 1456[12:57:43] <teraflops> ZSky: yeah but why? do you want to use it to e.g bock them via iptables?
• 1457[12:57:46] <ZSky> but it's just a general question to learn how to extract
• 1458[12:58:10] <ZSky> no no, i'm just learning how I can extract data from various logs
• 1459[12:58:26] <teraflops> use a regex I think, maybe #bash is a better place for asking
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• 1469[13:02:26] <g0zzy> strk: all very strange. Let's hope that Virgin Media are not using telnet themselves and yet disallowing it from inside their customers' LANs ;)
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• 1471[13:02:54] <gwolf23> ZSky: cut -d ' ' -f 2
• 1472[13:02:55] <teraflops> you can bet they disable telnet and port 25
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• 1478[13:03:41] <teraflops> gwolf23: if there is a fw inside your plastic router try disabling it, if that doesnt work, go phone them
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• 1480[13:04:22] <ZSky> gwolf23 wonderful, thanks!
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• 1482[13:06:38] <gwolf23> teraflops: hmm??
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• 1484[13:06:57] <teraflops> gwolf23: oh sorry it was for g0zzy
• 1485[13:06:59] <ZSky> gwolf23: is it possible to do "cat mylog.txt |grep <any_of_the_pattern_containted_in_a_line_of_patterns.txt>"
• 1486[13:07:13] <teraflops> I tabfailed
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• 1488[13:07:31] <gwolf23> ZSky: in that case maybe awk is better choice
• 1489[13:07:50] <teraflops> ZSky: again, use regex, what gwolf23 said only works for that very specific case
• 1490[13:07:54] <gwolf23> cat your_file | awk '/pattern/ {print $2}'
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• 1492[13:08:14] <teraflops> I cannot complain about using awk though, because it's pretty awesome
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• 1495[13:08:53] <ZSky> what is '/pattern/ {print $2}' ?
• 1496[13:09:03] <ZSky> i mean each line of patterns.txt should be accepted
• 1497[13:09:06] <g0zzy> Yes, but what are they doing with the port otherwise?
• 1498[13:09:07] <gwolf23> awk defaults to splitting fileds by whitespace chars, so you should be safer with awk than cut
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• 1502[13:09:52] <gwolf23> ZSky: oh ... you have patterns in file, did not notice that
• 1503[13:10:03] <ZSky> Let's say patterns.txt contains a line with "cat", another line with "mouse", another with "dog"
• 1504[13:10:15] <gwolf23> then perhaps grep can be ised, it had a flag to supply patterns from external file
• 1505[13:10:18] <ZSky> Now I want "cat myfile |grep <cat or mouse or dog>"
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• 1507[13:10:39] <teraflops> stop using cat for such things
• 1508[13:11:30] <ZSky> teraflops: what should I use then to do cat myfile |grep <cat or mouse or dog> ?
• 1509[13:11:49] <ZSky> list of accepted animals are in lines of patterns.txt
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• 1514[13:13:27] <teraflops> ZSky: honestly, I think you should read about bash/awk/ etc…
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• 1516[13:14:05] <teraflops> and this is aout of the scope of this channel, no offense intended, just pointing it
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• 1523[13:16:48] <BluesKaj> ZSky, check this out replaced-url
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• 1532[13:22:07] <ZSky> I solved with grep -f patterns.txt
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• 1537[13:24:06] <BluesKaj> ZSky, it's not a debian issue
• 1538[13:24:41] <jelly> eh, it's basic shell usage
• 1539[13:26:06] <jelly> there's ##linux and #bash and #awk, and a very very small #grep channel, if noone awake here knows this stuff
• 1540[13:26:23] <BluesKaj> some users should bone up on their google-foo :-)
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• 1582[13:57:31] <ForceRecon> what command in terminal do you use to see if a specific service like tor is running
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• 1584[13:58:12] <jelly> ForceRecon: "service blah status" or "systemctl status blah"
• 1585[13:59:01] <ForceRecon> I tried that but uh
• 1586[13:59:02] <ForceRecon> Connecting to freenodeok2gncmy.onion:6697...
• 1587[13:59:02] <ForceRecon> Connection failure: TTL expired
• 1588[13:59:02] <ForceRecon> Connection failed. Cycling to next Server
• 1589[13:59:04] <ForceRecon> whoops
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• 1591[13:59:13] <ForceRecon> bash: service: command not found
• 1592[13:59:41] <ForceRecon> sudo got it
• 1593[13:59:42] <ForceRecon> thanks
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• 1616[14:09:55] <cujotus> imo debian and ubuntu and mint should do more cooperation
• 1617[14:09:59] <whoami1> hi there
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• 1619[14:10:07] <cujotus> hello
• 1620[14:10:28] <whoami1> is it for both kali and parrot?
• 1621[14:11:05] <moetunes> !kali
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• 1623[14:11:33] <whoami1> best pentesting os
• 1624[14:11:36] <whoami1> at now
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• 1626[14:12:19] <Psy-Q> i'm struggling hard to install postgresql via ssh as long as the receiving server has the debian default AcceptEnv set. the postinst script in postgresql-common (i think) will fail to set up the initial cluster becuase it appears to refer to the wrong locale
• 1627[14:12:54] <Psy-Q> i am explicitly setting LANG, LANGUAGE and even LC_ALL to en_US.UTF-8 but the script appears to want to run its postinst task in de_CH.UTF-8, which isn't generated of course
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• 1629[14:13:35] <Psy-Q> this bug says it's fixed: replaced-url
• 1630[14:13:36] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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• 1635[14:14:16] <Kyoshiro> hi
• 1636[14:14:23] <Psy-Q> if i generate de_CH.UTF-8 or completely refuse acceptEnv on the server side, it works...
• 1637[14:14:39] <Kyoshiro> is there a reason some security fixes are available for oldstable and testing but not for stable/jessie ?
• 1638[14:14:54] <Kyoshiro> for example replaced-url
• 1639[14:14:56] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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• 1646[14:17:20] <Kyoshiro> or replaced-url
• 1647[14:17:27] <biker> Hello, at work we have a problem with one of our VPS. We tried installing libc6 (using apt-get) and we got a warning saying that our kernel version is not supported (we have kernel 2.6 still in the VPS). The only thing we could do is continue (no option to reject the installation), and then it just shows "Checking init script", and it gets stuck there.
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• 1650[14:18:12] <biker> We had to kill the process manually, but then aptitude is a bit broken. It asks to fix it doing "apt-get -f install", and the only thing it tries to do is to reinstall the package.
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• 1654[14:18:50] <biker> Which leads to the same problem. All solutions from Google are to update the kernel and then try that again, but for us it is not an option to upgrade the kernel.
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• 1656[14:19:36] <biker> Is there a way to fix this (as right now we can't really install anything because of the borken apt-get)? We don't care anymore of having libc6 or not, but we really need a working system.
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• 1661[14:22:56] <Brigo> biker, what Debian version?
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• 1663[14:23:26] <biker> Brigo: jessie
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• 1665[14:23:42] <Brigo> biker, Jessie does not support kernel 2.6
• 1666[14:23:48] <Brigo> ,kernels
• 1667[14:23:49] <judd> Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.11.0-trunk-686 (4.11.3-1~exp1); sid: 4.9.0-3-686 (4.9.30-1); stretch: 4.9.0-3-686 (4.9.30-1); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.3-686 (4.9.25-1~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.43-2); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.88-1)
• 1668[14:24:12] <Brigo> maybe wheezy can run over 2.6, not sure.
• 1669[14:25:32] <biker> let me check again. The VPS uses OpenVZ, so we use the host's kernel
• 1670[14:25:41] <biker> that's the reason we can't upgrade it
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• 1672[14:26:14] <Brigo> biker, i know.
• 1673[14:26:35] <Brigo> that's the problem with VPS
• 1674[14:27:51] <Brigo> ChangeLog-2.6.13.1 10-Sep-2005 02:52
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• 1677[14:28:49] <biker> Do you have an idea then on how to solve this? =/
• 1678[14:29:32] <Brigo> change the kernel (talk the provider or change it) or use wheezy.
• 1679[14:31:04] <biker> The provider won't change it. They just work like that. Changing to wheezy would do but we would still like to try to fix this issue before having to format everything
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• 1681[14:32:41] <BluesKaj> what VPS service worth it's salt runs an ancient kernel without upgrading it
• 1682[14:32:55] <biker> time4vps haha
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• 1684[14:33:19] <Psy-Q> if it's the openvz kernel it might be the one from redhat that has many 3.x/4.x features backported
• 1685[14:33:31] <Psy-Q> it's not the same as what the version says it is
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• 1691[14:34:12] <biker> 2.6.32 is the current one
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• 1699[14:36:36] <Psy-Q> hm, wonder why it's a commercial provider and can't stay up to date with at least the latest openvz one then. or virtuozzo one even
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• 1707[14:39:07] <Psy-Q> openvz people still release updates almost every week
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• 1717[14:42:05] <tw> openvz can pretend to be newer kernels in a container. It supports a number of different userspace bindings but you should probably just deploy a jessie image provided by your hosting service.
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• 1719[14:42:36] <tw> upgrades tend to be more painful on ovz.
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• 1723[14:43:23] <darxmurf> hi all
• 1724[14:45:48] <jelly> biker: you can't have a working debian system without libc6, anyway
• 1725[14:46:36] <centrx> UNLESS YOU ARE HARDCORE sticking with libc5
• 1726[14:46:50] <centrx> glibc
• 1727[14:47:42] <centrx> is for sucks
• 1728[14:47:43] <centrx> suckers
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• 1730[14:48:12] <biker> we actually had libc6, but we were trying to install newer version from unstable servers, as we need some other packages for a service
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• 1734[14:48:32] <centrx> oh boy
• 1735[14:48:36] <centrx> !frankendebian
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• 1737[14:48:44] <tw> As I recall, libc6's kernel version dependency is determined at compile time.
• 1738[14:48:48] <teraflops> derpbian
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• 1740[14:49:24] <centrx> biker: That is a good way to break your system
• 1741[14:50:15] <biker> centrx: yeah I know.. :( We were dumb on this way.. but that was the only package needed from them and -dev
• 1742[14:50:25] <biker> but well, the system works, only apt-get is broken
• 1743[14:50:41] <centrx> It's okay. At least you're not using Windows
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• 1745[14:51:27] <centrx> biker: I would either build the system from scratch, OR you could try transitioning into stretch, which will be released soon
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• 1747[14:51:43] <centrx> biker: unstable mostly has versions that will be in stretch because of the freeze
• 1748[14:51:52] <centrx> biker: but you need to get apt-get working first
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• 1752[14:53:38] <biker> centrx: well update and upgrade seem to be working. Only when I try to install something it asks me to do -f install
• 1753[14:53:47] <biker> to fix the broken packages/dependencies *
• 1754[14:53:56] <centrx> biker: What does your sources.list look like?
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• 1756[14:56:48] <biker> centrx: normal repos, except for deb and deb-src unstable
• 1757[14:57:12] <centrx> biker: First change "unstable" to "stretch", that's what you want to stick with
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• 1760[14:57:36] <centrx> biker: Then you probably want to use a program like aptitude (or dselect!) to fully upgrade your system
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• 1762[14:58:07] <centrx> biker: What kind of error messages are you getting (that require you to do -f install) with you do something like: apt-get install apt dpkg
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• 1777[15:01:18] <ntz> hello
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• 1779[15:01:46] <ntz> omg, is this unreadable animosity the only format of debian bugzilla ? replaced-url
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• 1782[15:02:43] <tremolo> What's unreadable?
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• 1786[15:03:54] <ntz> that broken format like from early 90's ... it's really very badly readable for somebody who's just used on to live in present (year 2017)
• 1787[15:04:07] <biker> centrx: replaced-url
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• 1789[15:04:45] <tremolo> I don't understand your complaint.
• 1790[15:05:27] <centrx> biker: and I take it you have libc6 2.24-11 already installed?
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• 1795[15:06:16] <centrx> biker: So I would start with an: apt-get install libc-bin locales
• 1796[15:06:39] <ntz> tremolo: have you ever seen some bug tracking system of any of competiting distro to debian ? if so it's obvious whatabout I am talking ... I'm just talking about that the debian bugzilla is in some retar*ded mbox/mailinglist format and not in some sane format like the bugzilla's of everybody else
• 1797[15:07:00] <ntz> so I was suspecting that I'm missing something important, that I'm looking at wrong place
• 1798[15:07:04] <centrx> biker: But it might start expanding to say there are more packages that have the wrong version, so it might be easier to just cut straight to aptitude, do the full upgrade (apt-get dist-upgrade or aptitude full-upgrade might work as well, but beware because it could want to uninstall a lot of packages)
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• 1801[15:07:31] <tremolo> Let's pretend I've been happily using Debian for long enough that I haven't had to look at another distribution's bug tracking system.
• 1802[15:07:34] <biker> centrx: libc 2.19
• 1803[15:07:41] <centrx> biker: oh!
• 1804[15:07:47] <biker> that came with ldd --version
• 1805[15:07:58] <ntz> okay, forget it ..... urgh
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• 1807[15:08:10] <centrx> biker: ok so maybe you didn't actually go through with the libc6 upgrade? It just has you set on the new version "to be" installed
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• 1809[15:08:20] <biker> exactly
• 1810[15:08:29] <tremolo> It doesn't seem obvious to me. All I see is "broken" "unreadable" and "retarded" instead of actual suggestions for improvement.
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• 1812[15:09:10] <ntz> tremolo: okay, see for example comment Message #39 ... do you feel that's omg sane to have in bugreport comments included idiotic pgp signatures ??? omg
• 1813[15:09:15] <centrx> biker: ok, you can check: dpkg -l |grep libc6 too to make sure there isn't some weirdness with multiple versions, or with the ldd loader (maybe ldd comes from the older libc-bin)
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• 1817[15:09:25] <ntz> I don't wonder now why debian is the most holy distro in the world
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• 1820[15:09:52] <themill> ntz: if you don't have something constructive to say, feel free to stop using your enter key
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• 1824[15:10:30] <biker> centrx: it printed nothing
• 1825[15:10:51] <centrx> biker: that has to me a mistake
• 1826[15:11:06] <centrx> dpkg -l |grep libc6
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• 1829[15:11:36] <biker> oh yeah
• 1830[15:11:54] <biker> libc6 is on 2.19-18..
• 1831[15:12:04] <biker> libc6-dev is on 2.24-11
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• 1833[15:12:09] <tremolo> Well, I don't think it's insane.
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• 1835[15:13:15] <biker> centrx: ^ (:
• 1836[15:13:20] <tremolo> The message was stored as sent. That seems more sane than fudging submitted messages before publishing.
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• 1839[15:13:49] <tw> biker: you're likely in for pain with that particular mismatch.
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• 1841[15:14:17] <centrx> biker: ok, I would do: apt-get install libc6=2.19-18+deb8u9 libc6-dev=2.19-18+deb8u9
• 1842[15:14:32] <centrx> biker: (or just uninstall libc6-dev if you can)
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• 1844[15:15:09] <centrx> biker: In addition to getting back the old version of libc6-dev installed, you want apt to recognize that 2.19-18 is the version it wants for libc6, not the "to be" installed future version
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• 1847[15:16:03] <centrx> biker: If you have a lot of packages that depend on the newer version of libc6-dev, you may have problems and need to downgrade those as well. So the cleanest solution would be uninstall libc6-dev and all the dev packages that depend on it (This is less disastrous because they are all/mostly dev packages)
• 1848[15:16:11] <biker> is there a way to force remove the package? doing apt-get remove libc6-dev still asks me to do the apt-get -f install, same as if I try to apt-get install the packages you just told me
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• 1850[15:16:44] <jelly> biker: remove it with dpkg, then run apt-get -f install
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• 1852[15:17:15] <jelly> do not, under any circumstances, attempt to remove libc6 tho
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• 1855[15:17:31] <jelly> but libc6-dev? sure
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• 1860[15:19:18] <biker> okok jelly centrx , let me try to manually remove all dependencies first :)
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• 1862[15:19:47] <jelly> biker: do dpkg --purge --force-depends libc6-dev
• 1863[15:20:10] <jelly> this is a rare occasion where doing a --force-something with dpkg is useful
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• 1865[15:20:33] <jelly> but you need to "apt-get -d install" (right) after that
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• 1867[15:20:36] <jelly> sorry.
• 1868[15:20:39] <jelly> but you need to "apt-get -f install" (right) after that
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• 1871[15:21:47] <ralpheeee> does the net installer inc wpa_supplicant & dialog...if memory serves my correctly last time i tried it didnt but that was at least a year ago
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• 1873[15:22:45] <jelly> ralpheeee: yes but if the driver for your wifi hardware needs firwmare to work, you'll need to try
• 1874[15:22:49] <jelly> dselect: firmware images
• 1875[15:22:49] <dselect> Unofficial <netinst> images - containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for installing Debian 8 "Jessie" are available from replaced-url
• 1876[15:23:03] <biker> jelly: after the apt-get -f install, libc6 appears in the packages list to be upgraded
• 1877[15:23:25] <jelly> biker: do you still have unstable repo enabled in your sources.list? Don't.
• 1878[15:23:32] <biker> okok ill disable it
• 1879[15:23:56] <jelly> I incorrectly assumed you'd already disabled it
• 1880[15:24:08] <ralpheeee> jelly: thxs chief!
• 1881[15:24:51] <biker> jelly: okok so I disable them, and now way less packages appear to be upgraded, some to be removed (not important), and libc6 still is to be upgraded
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• 1883[15:25:15] <biker> should I trust this libc6?
• 1884[15:25:27] <jelly> biker: upgraded from what to what? pastebin the complete output (before answering yes or on)
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• 1887[15:26:44] <biker> jelly: replaced-url
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• 1894[15:28:41] <jelly> biker: oh, that may or may not be problematic.
• 1895[15:28:44] <jelly> !bat
• 1896[15:28:48] <jelly> dselect: bat
• 1897[15:28:48] <dselect> In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
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• 1899[15:29:21] <jelly> biker: do the 2. and 3., and in 2. include all the package names for the stuff that apt wants to remove and upgrade.
• 1900[15:29:47] <biker> okok
• 1901[15:30:06] <jelly> biker: it's quite possible you installed npm and node stuff from unstable
• 1902[15:30:36] <jelly> if so, that's going to disappear now because their deps have disappeareded
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• 1906[15:32:21] <biker> mainly the reason i was trying to install from unstable was for a specific python version
• 1907[15:32:29] <biker> npm and stuff was not installed from unstable
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• 1909[15:33:38] <jelly> output of 2. will show how much of that was upgraded to unstable
• 1910[15:33:48] <biker> jelly: this is output of 2: replaced-url
• 1911[15:34:40] <biker> output of 3: replaced-url
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• 1918[15:38:55] <jelly> biker: you'll probably want to keep postgresql-9.4 installed.
• 1919[15:39:06] <biker> yes
• 1920[15:39:12] <biker> and preferably also npm and node
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• 1923[15:39:53] <jelly> those can be reinstalled later safely, probably
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• 1925[15:40:25] <jelly> biker: see if "aptitude -f install" is smarter
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• 1927[15:41:12] <biker> jelly: replaced-url
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• 1930[15:46:39] <jelly> that looks worse
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• 1934[15:48:59] <biker> true hehe
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• 1936[15:49:18] <biker> jelly: im guessing if postgress is uninstalled i can just install it after, right?
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• 1938[15:49:32] <jelly> yes.
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• 1940[15:49:43] <jelly> and you probably won't lose the database.
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• 1943[15:50:14] <biker> jelly: then i can try the apt-get -f install option
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• 1946[15:50:55] <jelly> yes.
• 1947[15:50:58] <biker> okok I will :)
• 1948[15:51:03] <biker> fingers crossed
• 1949[15:51:06] <jelly> save its output.
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• 1951[15:51:19] <jelly> eg. run it inside script some.log
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• 1953[15:51:56] <ntz> adieu ppl
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• 1966[15:56:19] <biker> jelly: replaced-url
• 1967[15:57:35] <biker> seems that now it is ok :D
• 1968[15:57:39] <biker> could install stuff now :)
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• 1972[15:59:12] <jelly> yeah, that looks a lot btter
• 1973[15:59:46] <jelly> see if there's any leftover package versions that seem "obsolete" (ie. not present in any configured repo)
• 1974[15:59:52] <jelly> dselect: obsolete
• 1975[15:59:53] <dselect> If you remove a repository from your sources.list (e.g. removing <dmm>), then you should check what packages you have installed from the other repository. Synaptic and aptitude have a "Obsolete and Locally Created Packages" list. Or, "aptitude search ~o". Note this doesn't include packages that exist in the repo at a different version to the one you have installed; see <not available> <list repositories>.
• 1976[16:00:09] <jelly> uh. Okay. Maybe "not available" then.
• 1977[16:00:13] <jelly> dselect: not available
• 1978[16:00:14] <dselect> To get a list of packages you have installed now, that are not available from any repository in your sources.list: aptitude search '?narrow(?not(?archive("^[^n][^o].*$")),?version(CURRENT))'
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• 1982[16:01:12] <biker> jelly: the first one printed only one, and this last command printed a lot
• 1983[16:01:21] <biker> including things like tar and wget
• 1984[16:01:49] <jelly> orly
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• 1986[16:02:15] <jelly> biker: pastebin apt-cache policy tar wget ...(and a couple more of those)
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• 1991[16:03:40] <biker> jelly: replaced-url
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• 1995[16:04:51] <jelly> biker: oh, those are just some previous versions from jessie, meaning your installation hasn't been patched up in a while
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• 1999[16:06:20] <jelly> might want do do an "apt-get upgrade" and "apt-get dist-upgrade" to bring the OS up to date, now that you've removed unstable sources
• 2000[16:06:43] <jelly> it would only be a problem if versions were _newer_ that what's available in jessie
• 2001[16:06:50] <jelly> than*
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• 2003[16:07:24] <biker> okok will do :)
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• 2005[16:07:56] <biker> jelly: thank you very much!!
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• 2008[16:08:22] <jelly> you're welcome
• 2009[16:08:51] <biker> jelly: centrx thanks a lot :) it is now working again n_n
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• 2011[16:09:06] <BluesKaj> is it still good policy not to use use apt and aptitude together? Seems I recall such advice quite a few yrs ago , but now in debian I see a lot of users still use aptitude in the forums etc
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• 2025[16:14:22] <BluesKaj> ok , google-foo answered my question about aptitiude
• 2026[16:14:43] <themill> that advice is about a decade out of date
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• 2031[16:15:58] <BluesKaj> yeah, I figured that, I'll stick with apt
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• 2047[16:22:13] <frostie_> when i try to backport mpv (media player) from sid in debian 8 jessie x64 the terminal gives: replaced-url
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• 2071[16:33:09] <BluesKaj> frostie_, is there an option to add contrib non-free to your sources.list deb lines? You might get vapour synth that way,
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• 2073[16:35:26] <frostie_> i already have them, and i did a search for vapour synth in synaptic but it did return nothing?
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• 2079[16:38:10] <tw> At that point, I'd either backport vapoursynth from sid or go into the control and remove the dep and set the configure option --disable-vapoursynth.
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• 2081[16:39:11] <frostie_> yeah i was thinking of backporting vapoursynth also
• 2082[16:39:15] <BluesKaj> yeah, same here, frostie_ , but I'm on stretch so maybe mpv doesn't need it here, since I don't see it listed as a dependency
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• 2093[16:41:31] <somiaj> mpv in debian stretch should not depend on anything outside of debian main (since it is in main).
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• 2101[16:45:03] <BluesKaj> vapoursynth doesn't show up as a package in muon
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• 2106[16:47:31] <frostie_> what gnome shell version will stretch have?
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• 2108[16:48:00] <themill> vapoursynth is nowhere in Debian and not having it while trying to compile mpv is not a problem
• 2109[16:48:33] <sponge> Anyone here uses RSI break?
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• 2117[16:51:15] <frostie_> in gnome shell in debian 8 the setting "do nothing when lid is closed" on laptop is not there, so i hope it is in stretch or i dont see a need for an upgrade right now
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• 2121[16:52:49] <frostie_> but ill try --disable-vapoursynth option
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• 2126[16:54:13] <frostie_> so i just run fakeroot debian/rules binary --disable-vapoursynth ?
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• 2130[16:54:49] <frostie_> the command fakeroot debian/rules binary is from replaced-url
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• 2134[16:55:56] <peixoto> hello
• 2135[16:56:06] <peixoto> who use facebook?
• 2136[16:56:36] <peixoto> who doesn't use it? if yes or if no, why?
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• 2138[16:57:25] <peixoto> do you think there are cons?
• 2139[16:57:31] <frostie_> go to debian-offtopic channel, this is the support channel
• 2140[16:57:44] <peixoto> ok
• 2141[16:57:51] <peixoto> thabks ;)
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• 2215[17:33:37] <darme> if ill install stretch RC4, when stretch will be released, i wont have to change any configuration to have fully functioning stretch release? just apt upgrade and good to go?
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• 2219[17:34:20] <tremolo> If you install Stretch and your sources.list uses stretch, you'll keep running Stretch.
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• 2221[17:35:05] <tremolo> If you use "testing" in your sources.list, you'll keep running testing after Stretch goes stable.
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• 2245[17:47:00] <boldb> can you ask noob question here ?
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• 2247[17:47:42] <jelly> dselect: ask
• 2248[17:47:42] <dselect> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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• 2253[17:48:07] <boldb> what will this command do : "find . -type f -exec grep -il 'blabla' {} \;" ?
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• 2259[17:48:52] <centrx> boldb: find files of type f that satisfy that grep of their filename
• 2260[17:48:57] <jelly> what do you want it to do?
• 2261[17:49:16] <jelly> grep -l displays filenames of files that match
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• 2264[17:49:49] <jelly> grep -i is a case-insensitive match of contents of file parameters (against 'blabla')
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• 2268[17:50:48] <boldb> so is will find all executable files with string "blabla" case-insensitive?
• 2269[17:51:02] <jelly> find . -type f -exec ... {} finds regular (normal) files in directory . (current directory) and runs a command using each found file path as an argument, one by one
• 2270[17:51:25] <jelly> boldb: it's not specified whether they have to be execuable or not
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• 2272[17:51:39] <jelly> !using find
• 2273[17:51:45] <jelly> dselect: using find
• 2274[17:51:45] <dselect> somebody said using find was replaced-url
• 2275[17:52:02] <jelly> boldb: see "operations in bulk" on that site
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• 2278[17:52:24] <Brigo> jelly, dselect now?
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• 2281[17:52:54] <jelly> until dpkg comes back
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• 2284[17:53:06] <boldb> ok thanks
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• 2288[17:54:25] <aksis> can i get systemd to process my *.link files after modifying them without rebooting?
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• 2296[17:56:14] <jelly> aksis: maybe daemon-reload action is good enough for your purposes? No idea
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• 2308[17:58:20] <aksis> jelly: i think i just got it. *.link files are managed by a udev builtin - i just needed to reload udev rules, but i've always been passing a --subsystem flag. so the answer to my question is `udevadm control --reload && udevadm trigger --action=add`
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• 2313[18:00:41] <anadahz> TomG2: thanks!
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• 2365[18:28:09] <DammitJim> what do you guys use to put music on your iphones?
• 2366[18:28:13] <DammitJim> itunes over wine?
• 2367[18:28:26] <tx> I use Spotify.
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• 2370[18:29:03] <DammitJim> I have a ton of mp3s from my CDs
• 2371[18:29:06] <DammitJim> that I ripped
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• 2375[18:30:45] <jhutchins_wk> DammitJim: There are a number of music managers out there. I used to use Amarok before KDE4, it had some capabilities to manage an iPod library, so the current equivalents would probably work with an iPhone.
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• 2377[18:31:35] <DammitJim> thanks
• 2378[18:31:40] <DammitJim> i'll give it a try
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• 2383[18:32:42] <tremolo> I don't have an iPhone.
• 2384[18:32:57] <tremolo> Had considered an iPod, but there were issues accessing some of the newer (at the time) ones, so I wound up with a SanDisk player instead.
• 2385[18:33:06] <teraflops> iirc, it wont work, I wish I'm wrong though
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• 2391[18:34:21] <teraflops> google play music looks like a good idea
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• 2394[18:34:46] <DammitJim> yeah, I think that's what I'm going to have to use (which I already have partially in place)
• 2395[18:34:57] <DammitJim> I wonder if Google Play Music will let me download the songs to the phone
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• 2397[18:35:10] <teraflops> DammitJim: you can upload up to 50k tracks for free
• 2398[18:35:16] <teraflops> DammitJim: you can
• 2399[18:35:31] <teraflops> or stream them
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• 2403[18:36:29] <tremolo> I think Clementine has iPod stuff, but I also think it's for early models.
• 2404[18:36:46] <tremolo> I forgot that Google Music had an upload feature.
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• 2409[18:38:21] <kion> DammitJim, Yes you can download music to the phone with GM
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• 2486[19:05:56] <notme> hello, i have a question. i am a debian newbe and i am wondering, why in the package list (replaced-url
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• 2488[19:06:13] <notme> why is the debian one so "outdated"
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• 2496[19:07:54] <centrx> notme: Well 4.2.6 to 4.2.8 is not really a big difference in software
• 2497[19:07:55] <oty> notme, because debian policy is about freezing packages to get something "stable"
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• 2502[19:08:21] <oty> (they patch stuff for security reason thought)
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• 2504[19:08:35] <gagrio> notme: because stable for debian and stable for ntp.org are different things essentially
• 2505[19:08:37] <centrx> notme: But in general, the "stable" distribution of Debian is designed to be stable, i.e. fixed not a moving target. It get major updates like security, but otherwise, you wait for the next distribution release, or you use testing
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• 2508[19:08:52] <notme> and what about security issues... does the debian version get security fixes
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• 2512[19:09:41] <notme> i mean in the release notes of ntp there are many security fixes applied from 4.2.6p5 and 4.2.8p10
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• 2515[19:10:11] <notme> does it mean those fixes are not in the debian version?
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• 2518[19:11:22] <bezaban> notme: yes, as mentioned twice. Security fixes may be applied by the debian to older versions. If you have a specific concern you can look up the cve at replaced-url
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• 2527[19:13:12] <notme> bezaban: thank you for the link.
• 2528[19:13:16] <bezaban> notme: :)
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• 2542[19:17:23] <notme> hmm... ntp for jessie is red marked "vulnerable"... only for stretch and sid are on the newest version of ntp and marked green "fixed"... and i always thought debian is secure.
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• 2556[19:21:22] <jhutchins_wk> notme: Are you going by the package version number or by the vulnerability tracker? I don't see ntp listed in the tracker for stable.
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• 2561[19:22:52] <notme> i watched this list ... there are opened issues... replaced-url
• 2562[19:23:08] <notme> am i on the wrong place?
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• 2572[19:29:05] <aion> good evening all :)
• 2573[19:29:30] <aion> i was wondering if i could do the following without breaking my fresh debian installation , i would hate to drive back :P
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• 2576[19:30:12] <aion> im trying to install the amdgpu-pro libs , but when i run the installer it somehow seems to want to install i386 packages. I get some dependency issues on it, i have the i386 debs nearby but its and x64 system
• 2577[19:30:32] <aion> considering its the graphics driver. will it be ok if i use them or will i bork it when i install them :P
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• 2590[19:35:08] <habeangur> Hi, on Debian systems many licenses are in /usr/share/common-licenses, Is there and package to install all licenses listed in gnu.org?
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• 2593[19:35:21] <habeangur> s/and/any/
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• 2617[19:43:04] <jhutchins_wk> I wonder why that doesn't show up at replaced-url
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• 2620[19:43:48] <jhutchins_wk> notme: I see several of them are the Mode 6 issue that can be addressed by proper configuration of the "restrict" directive, that may be why it's not addressed.
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• 2626[19:46:20] <jhutchins_wk> aion: Where are you getting the drivers from?
• 2627[19:46:53] <aion> i downloaded the latest version of the amd website
• 2628[19:47:13] <aion> but they technically only support ubuntu , but i just changed the os_release lookup to match debian and then it just installs fine (according to guides)
• 2629[19:47:48] <aion> but since it seems to automaticly go for the i386 packages , even though it has a x64 variant in there in itself
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• 2632[19:49:37] <aion> the file is called : amdgpu-pro-17.10-414273.tar.xz, it contains all libs and install files
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• 2634[19:49:58] <teraflops> are you asking for some kind of support?
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• 2636[19:50:04] <aion> nope
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• 2639[19:50:19] <aion> just wondering if its normal that it asks to install :i386 libraries
• 2640[19:50:26] <aion> while its an x64 system
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• 2649[19:52:08] <jhutchins_wk> aion: I suspect you downloaded the wrong files, amd does provide installers that work with Debian x64.
• 2650[19:52:32] <jhutchins_wk> aion: In any case, you would have to ask them, those aren't Debian files.
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• 2655[19:53:19] <DammitJim> how do I properly word explaining to a customer why we don't put anti virus on Linux servers?
• 2656[19:53:37] <teraflops> DammitJim: you dont?
• 2657[19:53:42] <DammitJim> blah
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• 2659[19:54:02] <jhutchins_wk> aion: You could check in the #ati channel.
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• 2661[19:54:29] <teraflops> DammitJim: if i run email stuff what's wrong with scanning attachments?
• 2662[19:54:52] <DammitJim> no email stuff on linux servers
• 2663[19:54:56] <teraflops> of if I have smb shares
• 2664[19:54:59] <teraflops> or^
• 2665[19:55:04] <jhutchins_wk> DammitJim: "Other measures are in place to ensure system security."
• 2666[19:55:26] <DammitJim> Thank you jhutchins_wk
• 2667[19:55:37] <bezaban> what are the antivirus solutions for linux now?
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• 2670[19:55:54] <DammitJim> I mean, we have Cisco Firepower AMP
• 2671[19:55:57] <jhutchins_wk> bezaban: There are a bunch, but most only scan for Windows viruses.
• 2672[19:56:06] <DammitJim> and we try to keep up to date in patches
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• 2675[19:56:12] <bezaban> remember I've used some back in the days, but recently had an auditor bring it up. Not that it was taken up as a finding
• 2676[19:56:17] <tw> Can you even make one tell the difference between an administrator shell script and a malicious one?
• 2677[19:56:18] <DammitJim> I don't think I've read about Linux servers getting compromised
• 2678[19:56:23] <bezaban> jhutchins_wk: yeah I know, used some in the past. Any good ones?
• 2679[19:56:26] <DammitJim> only if they hadn't been kept up to date with patches
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• 2681[19:56:36] <bezaban> not up to date on that segment at all
• 2682[19:56:37] <DammitJim> but there are no worms or viruses that I've heard of
• 2683[19:56:50] <jhutchins_wk> DammitJim: You might cite some of the "Other measures".
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• 2685[19:56:59] <DammitJim> yes, sir
• 2686[19:57:37] <teraflops> DammitJim: you can tell them: since youre paying me you have to fucking trust me :P
• 2687[19:57:39] <bezaban> I think he suggested clanav
• 2688[19:57:41] <jhutchins_wk> DammitJim: The explanation that I've seen is that there isn't a sufficient pool of vulnerable Linux servers to sustain the propagation of viruses (not that there isn't sufficient market share).
• 2689[19:57:42] <bezaban> clamav*
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• 2695[19:58:09] <DammitJim> teraflops, actually, the president of the company said that if they wanted to, we could offer to install that on the servers they rent, but it doesn't come with it LOL
• 2696[19:58:24] <teraflops> :ẞ
• 2697[19:58:25] <jhutchins_wk> Clam AV does two things: It takes up resources (if only disk space) and it satisfies that audit requirement that an AV program be installed.
• 2698[19:58:26] <teraflops> oops
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• 2700[19:58:29] <teraflops> :S
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• 2702[19:58:32] <DammitJim> it's funny how I've seen some A/V companies drop out of supporting Linux
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• 2704[19:58:38] <DammitJim> like our beloved AVG
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• 2707[19:59:01] <bezaban> jhutchins_wk: yeah, those would be the ones I'd want to avoid :P Seeing this page also suggest rkhunter as anti virus I guess we're covered
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• 2709[19:59:03] <jhutchins_wk> DammitJim: I thought they still supported it last week.
• 2710[19:59:09] <DammitJim> what?
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• 2712[19:59:11] <bezaban> as it isn't memory resident
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• 2714[19:59:16] <jhutchins_wk> DammitJim: AVG
• 2715[19:59:29] <DammitJim> I guess I should trust and verify
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• 2717[19:59:38] <bezaban> I see sophos seems to come recommended, but don't know if it's a sponsored article
• 2718[19:59:39] <DammitJim> my boss is actually the one that told me about AVG not doing LInux since 2013
• 2719[19:59:41] <ryouma> rkhunter and such often have tons of false positives you have to filter out
• 2720[19:59:55] <bezaban> ryouma: not experienced tons, but yes some
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• 2722[20:00:04] <ryouma> depends on the tool
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• 2724[20:00:09] <bezaban> helps if you hook it into apt
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• 2726[20:00:15] <`Kevin> are you actually going to use something like AVG to resolve a work policy rather than a cron based scanner to make the policy happy
• 2727[20:00:18] <ryouma> oh, didn't know you could
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• 2730[20:00:27] <teraflops> I think technically rkhunter is not an antivirus
• 2731[20:00:38] <Tahr64-user> How?
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• 2733[20:00:52] <Tahr64-user> And why?
• 2734[20:01:00] <DammitJim> weird, I don't see AVG for Linux on their site
• 2735[20:01:02] <bezaban> teraflops: I guess, $randompage has it listed, but ETSI audit seemed to be content with 'other security measures' anyway
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• 2737[20:01:08] <Tahr64-user> I use rkhunter as my default antivirus
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• 2739[20:01:28] <teraflops> Tahr64-user: whatever float your goat
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• 2741[20:02:19] * mtn checks to see if his goat will float
• 2742[20:02:32] <bezaban> mtn: if so. burn it!
• 2743[20:02:43] <mtn> good point!
• 2744[20:02:52] <Tahr64-user> I seem to be having an issue installing Arch Linux. Whenever I type 'sudo abt insall archlinux' it says 'bash: Arch is for noobs!'
• 2745[20:03:11] <JPT> Wrong channel?
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• 2747[20:03:21] <teraflops> yeah and bad joke too
• 2748[20:03:26] <Tahr64-user> Yes I know. Wrong channel.
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• 2751[20:03:44] <jhutchins_wk> DammitJim: That's the problem with the Internet, some things never go away.
• 2752[20:03:49] <JPT> Try #archlinux-offtopic
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• 2755[20:04:02] <teraflops> no no try #archlinux
• 2756[20:04:03] <Tahr64-user> OK
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• 2763[20:06:20] <DammitJim> jhutchins_wk, you mean old articles?
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• 2767[20:07:38] <elsimpsoms> hola como esta saludos
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• 2772[20:09:30] <teraflops> elsimpsoms: este canal es en ingles, si buscas soporte en español prueba en #debian-es, si te manejas bien en ingles pues bienvenido
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• 2777[20:12:04] <jhutchins_wk> DammitJim: Yeah, old reference to something that's no-longer supported.
• 2778[20:13:25] <jhutchins_wk> DammitJim: I did a search for linux anti virus last week and came up with a bunch that were new to me.
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• 2782[20:14:59] <jhutchins_wk> DammitJim: From my AVG log Saturday: Virus database release date: Fri, 09 Jun 2017 09:23:00 -0500
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• 2785[20:15:13] <jhutchins_wk> DammitJim: Whether they still offer an installer I can't say.
• 2786[20:15:53] <tw> doesn't look it. does it have a scan engine build date?
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• 2789[20:17:48] <jhutchins_wk> tw: Not there. I'd have to log in and check it. It checks for updates when it runs and reports "You are currently up-to-date", but that might mean that you have the latest version from 2013.
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• 2837[20:44:08] <GNU\colossus> can I prevent an LXC container guest from having networking auto-configured via DHCP upon installation/creation somehow? (I'd like to manage its networking via LXC only from the get-go)
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• 2847[20:47:32] <tw> You can block dhcp packets to/from the lxc host-side interface with iptables, if you want.
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• 2874[21:04:06] <dockly> hi
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• 2876[21:04:43] <dockly> I got a folder with lots of binary files. Files can be removed/added over time. How to take efficient backup from this folder? Taking a complete backup each time would be very wasteful.
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• 2880[21:07:03] <jelly> dockly: how large are those files?
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• 2883[21:07:23] <dockly> jelly: the files themselves are small, some KB up to 2 MB, but there are lots of them :)
• 2884[21:08:06] <jelly> rsync or a rsync wrapper like dirvish or rsnapshot might be an option
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• 2886[21:08:34] <jelly> it transfers only new and changed files
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• 2894[21:11:02] <jelly> if you have more than 10-100k files, consider creating a hashed directory tree instead of a single directory, to avoid some common filesystem inefficiencies
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• 2901[21:14:54] <dockly> jelly: ah, good
• 2902[21:15:04] <dockly> jelly: and for backing the folder up in regular intervals - rsync over ssh?
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• 2905[21:16:01] <jelly> yes. I prefer a ready-made wrapper than inventing my own rsync script again and again
• 2906[21:16:24] <dockly> jelly: what kind of wrapper is good? :D
• 2907[21:16:50] <jelly> I just named two.
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• 2910[21:17:31] <jelly> used both, they're adequate
• 2911[21:17:52] <dockly> ah
• 2912[21:17:53] <dockly> dirvish or rsnapshot
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• 2914[21:18:01] <dockly> what do you think about duplicity?
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• 2916[21:18:36] <jelly> I hear it's nice
• 2917[21:18:45] <jelly> never used it myself
• 2918[21:18:47] <dockly> is duplicity also a rsync wrapper?
• 2919[21:18:58] <jelly> no, it's a bit smarter than that
• 2920[21:19:13] <phogg> would you say... more devious?
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• 2954[21:38:17] <tga_> greetings, when cloning a vm I need to change a bunch of things like hostname and ssh keys -- is there a tool that could help with making a machine unique in one pass?
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• 2957[21:39:43] <JPT> I don't know of any, but you will need to take care of the mac address of your virtual network interface card in case your vm has some.
• 2958[21:40:05] <JPT> When it comes to the contents of your vm, that's up to you. ssh host keys, hostname and network configuration will be a good start.
• 2959[21:40:21] <tga_> right, I'm doing that manually now and it's pretty tedious
• 2960[21:40:25] <JPT> If you run any other software that authenticates itself with individual key pairs, you'll need to redo those, too
• 2961[21:40:38] <tga_> assume the hardware is really different, could be physical machines built from an image
• 2962[21:40:48] <tga_> is there nothing that can help with that?
• 2963[21:40:58] <JPT> Perhaps something like salt, ansible, puppet or chef might help you automate such things a bit, not sure.
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• 2969[21:41:53] <tga_> I wonder how vps providers deal with this
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• 2971[21:42:14] <tga_> the ones that provide a working image, not just an iso
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• 2982[21:46:57] <dockly> tga_: they often use vmware?
• 2983[21:47:22] <tga_> some do, not that many I think
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• 2986[21:47:46] <tga_> I meant about making a debian image unique after cloning it
• 2987[21:47:53] <Tahr-user> what would be the best wm for an old pc
• 2988[21:47:57] <Tahr-user> or de
• 2989[21:48:23] <tga_> for de, xfce in my opinion, lxde is also decent
• 2990[21:48:37] <tga_> wms are really small, almost any would work, say openbox
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• 3009[21:52:25] <jelly> tga_: it's a dozen files to edit, and maybe some fs uuids to change
• 3010[21:52:29] <ryouma> i have a quite old box and it runs fluxbox fine. the trouble is stuff like firefox and chromium.
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• 3012[21:52:37] <jelly> you can script that in anything
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• 3019[21:56:15] <jelly> tga_: we literally have a script for that when manual setup is required: replaced-url
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• 3038[22:02:30] <jhutchins_wk> dockly: I use rdiff backup.
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• 3041[22:05:08] <tw> Is there a sysprep script that does all of the fs uuid magic with an offline system? I imagine that can be quite bothersome with the variety of possible lvm/dm configurations.
• 3042[22:05:11] <jhutchins_wk> dockly: replaced-url
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• 3045[22:06:08] <Tahr-user> tga_, thanks
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• 3051[22:07:16] <jelly> tw: which is why you agree on a small number of different blockdev setups for your environment, preferably 1
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• 3056[22:08:28] <jelly> eg: 1 setup: 2 disks, one with boot loader and /boot partition, one non-partitioned pv for everything else
• 3057[22:08:57] <jelly> need more space? grow disk 2, grow pv, grow lv and fs
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• 3062[22:10:22] <hmijares> Hi there can someone see me?
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• 3064[22:10:33] <zeroday404> yes g
• 3065[22:10:39] <hmijares> Ok thanks for aswering
• 3066[22:10:40] <jelly> yes, hmijares
• 3067[22:11:03] <hmijares> Its my firts time on a irssi what an Irony
• 3068[22:11:06] <jelly> dselect: ask
• 3069[22:11:06] <dselect> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
• 3070[22:11:19] <hmijares> Got it
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• 3076[22:13:51] <tw> jelly: makes sense. if you need complex, it has to be justified and independently tested.
• 3077[22:14:06] <hmijares> I have a pfroblem with Mobility Radeon HD 5430 Im running debian version 3.16.43-2 when I try to activate compiz it just does not work
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• 3080[22:14:58] <hmijares> I dont have the knowlage to know what driver is installed
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• 3082[22:15:43] <jelly> hmijares: the card may be new enough to require kernel and xserver-xorg-video-radeon and libgl1-mesa-dri from jessie-backports
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• 3084[22:16:04] <jelly> also it may require firmware
• 3085[22:16:10] <jelly> dselect: bdo kernel
• 3086[22:16:11] <dselect> Newer kernels for Debian stable releases are available from the "jessie-backports" repository. Ask me about <jessie backports> to modify your sources.list, then run «aptitude update». To install the current backported kernel: «aptitude -t jessie-backports install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'`». To list available backported kernel image packages: «aptitude search '?narrow(~nlinux-image,?origin(Debian Backports))'».
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• 3088[22:16:20] <jelly> dselect: jessie-backports
• 3089[22:16:21] <dselect> Some packages intended for Stretch (Debian 9) but recompiled for use with "Jessie" (8.x) can be found in the "jessie-backports" repository. See replaced-url
• 3090[22:16:21] <hmijares> dmesg | grep ATI
• 3091[22:16:21] <hmijares> [ 9.296124] input: HDA ATI HDMI HDMI/DP,pcm=3 as /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:01.0/0000:01:00.1/sound/card1/input8
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• 3094[22:16:36] <hmijares> The card its from 2007 I think
• 3095[22:16:45] <jelly> oh, not that new then
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• 3097[22:17:07] <hmijares> I'll try with backports and let you know thanks a lot
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• 3101[22:18:02] <francine> Does it make sense to install Debian 8 now when Debian 9 will be finally released in about a week or should I install Debian 9 now?
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• 3103[22:18:35] <jelly> try debian 9, if it works, yay, if it doesn't, file an installation report so it can be made to work
• 3104[22:18:36] <JPT> Upgrading when 9 becomes stable should be fine
• 3105[22:18:59] <francine> What's the EOL of Debian 8 (without LTS)?
• 3106[22:19:08] <jelly> or if you need security updates _today_, go with 8
• 3107[22:19:16] <hmijares> I did not know Debian 9 was going to be released but anyway I have mail server with redhat 3 its been runing for 10 years on the company what can i tell you
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• 3109[22:19:44] <jelly> surely that's RHEL3 not RH3
• 3110[22:19:45] <francine> hmijares: RHL or RHEL? :D
• 3111[22:19:46] <hmijares> If it works dont touch it
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• 3113[22:20:03] <hmijares> You know what I mean
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• 3116[22:20:31] <jelly> yes, but if exposes service on public internet, that's not very wise
• 3117[22:20:36] <francine> I don't need security updates today, we still testing our new environment not publicy
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• 3119[22:20:54] <hmijares> but still they pay me for that :p
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• 3121[22:21:27] <hmijares> Ill try back ports see you soon
• 3122[22:21:28] <jelly> you couldn't pay me enough to keep EL4 running, even EL5 is EOLd
• 3123[22:21:48] <francine> hmijares: How come that you still use RH(E)L3? It's already EOL. The oldest still supported version is 5 ..
• 3124[22:21:54] <hmijares> thanks for help I really want to learn to use debian
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• 3131[22:22:48] <hmijares> francine you just let it run thats all its in the same IBM server the company bought about 10 or 11 years ago I dont remember the mail server just works they want to change to zimbra and I dont want to learn that but If I have to I will
• 3132[22:23:09] <francine> hmijares: Sure, but what about security updates etc?
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• 3135[22:24:00] <francine> I, personally, would never run a server in the public that's already EOLd
• 3136[22:24:04] <hmijares> When you have a CISCO 6000 and ASA you are good with security
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• 3138[22:24:40] <jhutchins_wk> francine: It's possible to do your own patching and keep things reasonably secure.
• 3139[22:25:08] <hmijares> It stops everything before they get to the server plus a god iptables configuration what can go wrong?
• 3140[22:25:19] <francine> jhutchins_wk: Yes, that is true, but itwould be easier to upgrade, especially if you have a subscription that's not limited to a particular version
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• 3143[22:25:53] <jhutchins_wk> francine: There are constraints where newer versions won't work.
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• 3146[22:26:20] <hmijares> There are 56 server an just me for manage all of them on this underdevelop country so if it works dont touch it sendmail would be there forever and ever
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• 3148[22:26:48] <teraflops> hmijares: yeah what could go wrong using a proprietary piece of sw/hw for dealing with security?
• 3149[22:26:54] <jhutchins_wk> I have a couple of Lenny servers just because I can not take the time to do the necessary upgrades, especially Hylafax and Samba.
• 3150[22:26:58] <francine> jhutchins_wk: Every new version has constraints, that's why you test them before you deploy them
• 3151[22:27:23] <hmijares> Thats why I dont want to change Im the guy who keeps runing the mail server, the samba server, the dns and dhcp servers, the web server, they dont pay me that much to worry
• 3152[22:27:48] <hmijares> I use Hylafax as well on the company
• 3153[22:27:52] <hmijares> It works great
• 3154[22:28:06] <jhutchins_wk> Yeah, but I'm dreading the setup.
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• 3156[22:28:35] <jhutchins_wk> I just realized I do have to have a mail server on it so it can deliver the faxes.
• 3157[22:28:58] <hmijares> Or you can just use cli to send mail via google
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• 3159[22:29:09] <jhutchins_wk> I'm thinking when it comes down to dealing with the Windows clients on Samba I may have to take three days of vacation so I can spend time there, working with the clients.
• 3160[22:29:18] <francine> hmijares: And I agree with you, moving to Zimbra or any other is just a pain, even the learning curve is a pain
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• 3162[22:30:00] <hmijares> I'm to old to learn the only thing I want to learn its debian it have been enough with RHEL over the last 12 years
• 3163[22:30:03] <jhutchins_wk> It's especially annoying when the client won't let you do the proper parallel build.
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• 3166[22:30:34] <jhutchins_wk> hmijares: Working with both I can say they have more in common than not.
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• 3168[22:30:44] <jhutchins_wk> hmijares: You've read the handbook?
• 3169[22:30:50] <francine> jhutchins_wk: Both are basically based on the same sources :)
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• 3171[22:31:01] <hmijares> Sometimes we use old things due to security the company roster its send via modem
• 3172[22:31:21] <jhutchins_wk> Configuration tends to be significantly different.
• 3173[22:31:34] <hmijares> Hylafax handbook? or zimbra handbook?
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• 3175[22:32:13] <hmijares> Im having a hard time teaching my wife how to use GNOME :(
• 3176[22:32:15] <francine> What's Hylafax?
• 3177[22:32:23] <hmijares> Hylafax its a fax server
• 3178[22:32:27] <francine> Ah
• 3179[22:32:44] <francine> hmijares: Gnome 3 or the old one?
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• 3181[22:32:56] <hmijares> Im tired of formating her windows machine I heard linus torvald saying the same this morning :(
• 3182[22:33:19] <hmijares> I have no idea francine the one that comes with debian 8 let me open a cli
• 3183[22:33:39] <francine> I would like to use Linux on my home computer, but sadly TPM and Intel MEI doesn't work and gives me a kernel panic o_O
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• 3186[22:34:24] <hmijares> hmijares@acus:/$ wmctrl -m
• 3187[22:34:24] <hmijares> Name: GNOME Shell
• 3188[22:34:24] <hmijares> Class: N/A
• 3189[22:34:24] <hmijares> PID: N/A
• 3190[22:34:24] <hmijares> Window manager's "showing the desktop" mode: N/A
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• 3193[22:34:38] <hmijares> there you are thats my WM
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• 3195[22:34:51] <francine> Sounds like Gnome 3
• 3196[22:34:57] <francine> iirc GNOME Shell is the new Gnome
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• 3200[22:35:35] <hmijares> maybe gnome shell has some conflict with compiz
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• 3202[22:36:19] <hmijares> She will have to learn I want a free virus enviroment No more windows for her and for her job Office Online (Yes from Microsoft)
• 3203[22:37:13] <francine> Even Linux can have a virus (like rootkits
• 3204[22:37:14] <francine> )
• 3205[22:37:17] <jhutchins_wk> hmijares: Gnome and KDE should be compatible.
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• 3207[22:37:46] <jhutchins_wk> hmijares: My wife uses XFCE just fine. Switches between that and her MacBook.
• 3208[22:37:46] <hmijares> You would have to have acces to the PC or with that rootkit admin permission
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• 3212[22:38:11] <francine> I'm a bombastic nerd: twm !
• 3213[22:38:11] <francine> :P
• 3214[22:38:45] <hmijares> IMy wife is stick to Windows :( but I dont want to ... and Hey until some software spread over the internet there are no viruses for linux :p
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• 3216[22:39:20] <francine> For me it doesn't really care what OS is installed, I use what fits my needs best and perfectly
• 3217[22:39:27] <francine> So, I use both
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• 3219[22:39:34] <francine> *matter
• 3220[22:39:50] <hmijares> Yes you are right I will let windows runing on a virtual machine safe , secure and disconect it from internet
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• 3222[22:40:29] <jhutchins_wk> hmijares: There are effective viruses on Linux, but very rare, and we are increasingly offtopic here.
• 3223[22:40:31] <hmijares> Maybe due to the fact that Im mining ethereum Im reciving more rrotkits, virus and attacks than ever before
• 3224[22:40:51] <hmijares> Show me the names of those viruses I want to investigate
• 3225[22:41:05] <jhutchins_wk> hmijares: ->#debian-offtopic
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• 3232[22:42:32] <dsc> I'm running debian 8 lxde where the default browser is PCManFM 1.2.3
• 3233[22:42:46] <dsc> it is truly a piece of crap - can someone recommend a good file browser?
• 3234[22:42:50] <dsc> perhaps something that looks like explorer.exe
• 3235[22:42:53] <dsc> x)
• 3236[22:42:53] <francine> hmijares: replaced-url
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• 3238[22:43:08] <hmijares> tanks francine
• 3239[22:43:16] <jhutchins_wk> dsc: Midnight Commander?
• 3240[22:43:43] <hmijares> I have read that article none of those viruses spread to toher systems so they are no formally viruses
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• 3250[22:46:54] <dsc> jhutchins_wk: what do you personally use?
• 3251[22:47:32] <jhutchins_wk> dsc: Yes.
• 3252[22:47:51] <dsc> jhutchins_wk: a GUI would be nice, I'm not sure how Midnight Commander would integrate with my browser for example (whenever I ctr-o something)
• 3253[22:47:53] <jhutchins_wk> dsc: mc, thunar (xfce).
• 3254[22:48:04] <dsc> ctrl-o (open)
• 3255[22:49:02] <jhutchins_wk> dsc: Command line and xdg-open.
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• 3270[22:54:30] <n4dir> i am wondering how or why a web-browser should integrate with a file-browser.
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• 3275[22:55:14] <dsc> n4dir: when you ctrl-o or ctrl-s a webpage, it prompts a save or open dialog
• 3276[22:55:20] <dsc> this is not limited to a filebrowser
• 3277[22:55:26] <dsc> this is not limited to a webbrowser*
• 3278[22:55:42] <dsc> VLC, etc do the same
• 3279[22:56:56] <n4dir> still don't get it. save it. what's the problem?
• 3280[22:57:19] <dsc> you could always read the backlog
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• 3284[22:58:27] <n4dir> all i read is that you search for a file-browser. Then add something like " integrate with - for example - my web-browser"
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• 3287[22:59:47] <dsc> correct
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• 3289[23:00:12] <dsc> now that we established you can read, what file browser do you use?
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• 3291[23:00:34] <n4dir> command line, of course
• 3292[23:00:43] <dsc> naturally.
• 3293[23:00:58] <n4dir> else use whatever filebrowser you want to use.
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• 3295[23:02:07] <dsc> n4dir: what happens when you ctrl-s a webpage in your webbrowser? it spawns a terminal?
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• 3297[23:02:52] <n4dir> the webbrowser opens a pop-up window and asks me where i want to save it
• 3298[23:03:20] <dsc> whitelabel ACME pop-up window™
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• 3329[23:16:04] <n4dir> to me it doesn't look as if a filebrowser is involved, but hey, what do i know
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• 3336[23:21:12] <`Kevin> # 20:42] < dsc> perhaps something that looks like explorer.exe
• 3337[23:21:13] <`Kevin> seriously
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• 3342[23:23:44] <francine> `Kevin: Install Wine and run explorer.exe there
• 3343[23:23:45] <francine> :D
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• 3347[23:24:56] <dsc> `Kevin: yes, seriously
• 3348[23:25:09] <dsc> or is that not a cool thing to say
• 3349[23:25:27] <francine> dsc: try thunar
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• 3351[23:25:45] <dsc> francine: aye, I will
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• 3353[23:26:58] <n4dir> assuming it integrates well with the webbrowser
• 3354[23:27:13] <dsc> ughh
• 3355[23:27:18] <dsc> you guys are terrible!
• 3356[23:27:50] <`Kevin> dsc: you are asking us to make your browser file open menu look like windows
• 3357[23:27:58] <`Kevin> dsc: use windows
• 3358[23:28:50] <dsc> i'm not sure if you've actually ever used PCManFM but it's really bad
• 3359[23:28:59] <dsc> something that mimicks the way explorer.exe works would be nice, was my point
• 3360[23:29:09] <n4dir> then for fucking sake use a different filebrowser. jesus
• 3361[23:29:14] <apollojustice> thunar and nautilus are good, dsc
• 3362[23:29:22] <dsc> that's what I'm doing here n4dir, asking for ... suggestions
• 3363[23:30:07] <francine> dsc: replaced-url
• 3364[23:30:09] <francine> Have fun!
• 3365[23:30:13] <dsc> alright
• 3366[23:30:17] <dsc> ty
• 3367[23:30:32] <n4dir> plus that it is supposed to integrate well with the webbrowser. Without knowing what that is supposed to mean, an answer is difficult
• 3368[23:30:58] <`Kevin> ^
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• 3371[23:31:09] <dsc> I didnt mean integrate, I meant 'how those 2 work together'
• 3372[23:31:23] <n4dir> as far i can tell: not at all
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• 3375[23:32:03] <dsc> I think I made myself pretty clear but you rather attack me on not using the right terminology while if you wouldve tried to understand me there wouldnt be a problem
• 3376[23:32:19] <dsc> "hey there is a guy asking for integration with a webbrowser that looks like explorer.exe, lets make fun of him"
• 3377[23:32:30] <dsc> kk :)
• 3378[23:32:51] <n4dir> i got no clue what your problem is. still
• 3379[23:33:00] <missmbob> i dont know what that means
• 3380[23:33:00] <dsc> that's because you dont want to help me
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• 3382[23:33:52] <francine> I don't get it what you mean with ingetrates well with the web browser. What has the web browser to do with your file explorer? If you mean by saving a web page, the web browser has its own hard-coded file save dialog
• 3383[23:33:53] <missmbob> no one seems to understand what you want. seems like you have a problem
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• 3385[23:34:11] <n4dir> most of the time i ain't got no filebrowser installed, and firefox seems to do pretty well what you are asking for.
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• 3388[23:34:48] <dsc> OK, ill rephrase: Whenever you spawn an file dialog of any kind it is provided by whatever you configured your OS it to be
• 3389[23:34:54] <dsc> in my case it is PCManFS
• 3390[23:34:57] <n4dir> what you have earned a good flaiming for is saying that pcmanfm is anything but the best filebrowser out there.
• 3391[23:35:03] <n4dir> and no one did it.
• 3392[23:35:32] <missmbob> time to /ignore
• 3393[23:35:41] <dsc> I was looking for an alternative, interested and what you guys use
• 3394[23:36:24] <francine> dsc: I've provided you a link of all _useable_ file managers, why didn't you have read it?
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• 3396[23:36:34] <dsc> francine: I read it. Why do you think I did not?
• 3397[23:36:43] <francine> You keep asking here
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• 3402[23:37:27] <francine> dsc: Most users likes thunad and/or nautilus
• 3403[23:37:30] <francine> *thunar
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• 3406[23:38:15] <dsc> typical freenode behaviour, what went on above
• 3407[23:38:19] <dsc> fucking nerds
• 3408[23:38:21] <dsc> :/
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• 3410[23:38:38] <francine> lol
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• 3428[23:51:01] <tw> Uh, does linux have any kind of file-open-dialog provider interface (like the windows equiv)? I thought it was just whatever gnome/kde skin you're running, if the program chooses to call that.
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• 3433[23:52:48] <tw> not gnome, gtk+
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• 3446[23:55:23] <missmbob> do you mean xdg-open?
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• 3451[23:56:22] <tw> No, I mean the dialog you get when you're in a gui app and use the ctrl-o accelerator.
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• 3459[23:59:10] <missmbob> in deluge, for example, it's programmed in pygtk. so when it calls for a dialog, it uses gtk, even if in kde or windows
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