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9 [00:03:45] <dvs> Qimple, put double quotes around it.
10 [00:04:00] <Qimple> thx
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13 [00:06:42] <Qimple> docker created a zfs resources to a folder how can i delete it since its busy or in use?
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36 [00:22:32] <danielh1234_> I don't use zfs but the manpage<replaced-url
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65 [00:34:25] <AlexLikeRock_> thunderbird 45 , cant oppen POP-UP "GOOGLE GRANT PERMITION TO TUNDER-BIRT"
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67 [00:34:49] <AlexLikeRock_> press loguin , and not work
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70 [00:36:39] <AlexLikeRock_> ** yes open pop-up. but not loguin
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72 [00:38:23] <danielh1234_> AlexLikeRock_: Did you follow these steps? replaced-url
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74 [00:39:21] <AlexLikeRock_> checking
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92 [00:42:32] <AlexLikeRock_> danielh1234_,
93 [00:42:33] <AlexLikeRock_> yes
94 [00:42:57] <AlexLikeRock_> POP-up: Sign in
95 [00:42:59] <AlexLikeRock_> to continue to Mozilla Thunderbird Email
96 [00:43:17] <AlexLikeRock_> some-one@gmail.com
97 [00:43:33] <AlexLikeRock_> CLICK -->> "NEXT"
98 [00:43:37] <AlexLikeRock_> NOT WORK
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100 [00:44:02] <danielh1234_> which version of Thunderbird are you using?
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103 [00:44:55] <jim> just so you know... with some planning, those seven lines in a row could have been one line
104 [00:45:49] <AlexLikeRock_> 45.8.0
105 [00:45:50] <jim> it doesn't look that busy now, but when it is, one line would be better than seven
106 [00:45:51] <AlexLikeRock_> danielh1234_,
107 [00:46:00] <AlexLikeRock_> 45.8.0
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109 [00:47:39] <danielh1234_> Does replaced-url
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111 [00:48:21] <missmbob> enter<reply>The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel.
112 [00:48:24] <AlexLikeRock_> mmmm
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115 [00:48:56] <AlexLikeRock_> danielh1234_, jessie (stable) 1:45.8.0-3~deb8u1:
116 [00:49:00] <missmbob> and more likely people will silently place you on /ignore for being annoying
117 [00:49:08] <AlexLikeRock_> replaced-url
118 [00:49:11] <jelly> setting up an app-specific password for imap/smtp in your google account might be an acceptable workaround
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120 [00:49:21] <AlexLikeRock_> BIG BUG !!!
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122 [00:49:33] <jim> spiders
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125 [00:50:03] <danielh1234_> :)
126 [00:50:21] <AlexLikeRock_> 8-)
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128 [00:50:57] <AlexLikeRock_> jelly, no
129 [00:51:07] <AlexLikeRock_> my configuration its rigth
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131 [00:51:30] <AlexLikeRock_> Thunderbird 45 of debian its OBSOLETE
132 [00:51:31] <jelly> but your tool may be buggy
133 [00:51:41] <AlexLikeRock_> what tool ?
134 [00:51:46] <jelly> thunberbird
135 [00:51:53] <AlexLikeRock_> so...
136 [00:52:01] <AlexLikeRock_> its time to upgrade thunderbird
137 [00:52:12] <jelly> or use a workaround if it exists
138 [00:52:17] <AlexLikeRock_> not work any more to ADD e-mails
139 [00:52:30] <jim> there's that mozilla "ppa-like" thing, dunno how good it is
140 [00:52:33] <AlexLikeRock_> why ?
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142 [00:52:48] <AlexLikeRock_> beacause some one, not whant to work at debian ?
143 [00:53:07] <AlexLikeRock_> PPA its for UBUNTU. you now it
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146 [00:53:44] <jim> AlexLikeRock_, which is why I said ppa-like
147 [00:54:00] <AlexLikeRock_> no way!
148 [00:54:16] <AlexLikeRock_> must be .DEB package
149 [00:54:18] <AlexLikeRock_> from debian
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151 [00:54:55] <AlexLikeRock_> Admit it's a big bug
152 [00:55:07] <jim> (note, that either way, you -always- want to be -very- careful about where you get stuff from, and the distro archives are normally the safest way to go
153 [00:55:09] <AlexLikeRock_> accept it is a big bug
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155 [00:55:24] <AlexLikeRock_> exactly
156 [00:55:39] <AlexLikeRock_> distro repos its safe,,
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162 [00:57:02] <jelly> jim, do try to avoid suggesting ppa repos to debian users, unless you're 100% sure they've uploaded builds designed for debian releases there
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166 [00:58:50] <jim> the one I was -going- to suggest,,, (one sec pls)
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169 [01:00:27] <joepreludian> Hi there!
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171 [01:00:38] <jim> mozilla.debian.net
172 [01:00:41] <jim> hi
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208 [01:20:25] <Jubilee808> James, give this a watch.
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210 [01:20:35] <Jubilee808> Memes: understanding and using the Anti-Holocaust Meme (new version) | replaced-url
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217 [01:23:56] <Jubilee808> jews fomented the genocidal wars that cost over 100 million of our best european peoples and what better way to distract us from that than to tell bizarre stories about a 'burnt offering'?
218 [01:25:04] <jim> !ops Jubilee808 umm, hello?
219 [01:25:33] <missmbob> wont work with dpkg out
220 [01:25:40] <Jubilee808> jim, wrong channel.
221 [01:25:43] <Jubilee808> jim, drop it.
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227 [01:26:53] <danielh1234_> This spam is posted in #gentoo as well...
228 [01:27:13] <jim> which makes it a freenode issue
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230 [01:27:20] <Nekojimi> Getting accidentally pinged with jim's name all the time just got weird o.o
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233 [01:28:38] <jim> Nekojimi, oh, do you get hilited when someone mentions "jim"?
234 [01:28:49] <Jubilee808> jim, it's not just about money and ideas of success. they're meticulously orchestrating the agenda outlined in their holy books, which involves the extermination of the goyim so that they can have a world of their own.
235 [01:29:02] <Nekojimi> jim, yep :P
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238 [01:29:37] <Nekojimi> I go by "Jim" IRL and on a lot of places on the internet
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240 [01:30:06] <Nekojimi> It just means that every so often I get an alert about reccomending PPAs or something a get momentarily confused :P
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244 [01:31:04] <Nekojimi> Also, uh, what's with the holocaust denial? This is the last of all places I thought I'd see that crap >.
245 [01:31:10] <Nekojimi> >.>
246 [01:31:26] <missmbob> Nekojimi: spam is spam. and you talking about the spam doesnt help
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249 [01:34:05] <jmj> Hi all !
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256 [01:39:02] <jmj> Is anybody here again ?
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261 [01:41:47] <jmj> Is anybody here again ? And which language should I use here ?
262 [01:42:02] <nkuttler> !ask
263 [01:42:09] <LtL> jmj: english please
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265 [01:42:10] <jelly> English please
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269 [01:42:33] <jelly> nkuttler, dpkg is taking a vacayshun
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273 [01:43:11] <jelly> replaced-url
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276 [01:43:55] <jmj> Hi LtL ! Just wanted to talk to some linux user ! Sorry for my question!
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278 [01:44:08] <jmj> Be back later maybe.
279 [01:44:16] <danielh1234_> short version: there are many people 'here' just check every now and then. Don't just say hi or ask to ask, just ask your actual question and wait.
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283 [01:46:11] <missmbob> jmj: this isnt a chat channel. for that you can try #debian-offtopic
284 [01:46:52] <jmj> missmbob : hi ! ok.
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289 [01:50:05] <Lady_Aleena> Hello. Will stretch fix pavucontrol?
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291 [01:51:26] <missmbob> works here in stretch
292 [01:51:58] <Lady_Aleena> Currently when I go to Output Devices and try to set the volume on an individual speaker, nothing happens.
293 [01:52:31] <missmbob> there is a 2 day old install. working fine
294 [01:53:09] <Lady_Aleena> missmbob, I haven't done the switch yet, I'm still on jessie. It will be a little while before I switch.
295 [01:53:22] <Lady_Aleena> I have a lot of backups to do first.
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308 [02:01:53] <jelly> dselect, ping
309 [02:01:53] <dselect> pong
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314 [02:02:33] <jelly> dselect, what are you
315 [02:02:33] <dselect> I am an infobot. For more information, ask me about <infobot>.
316 [02:02:42] <jelly> ^^ copy of dpkg
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318 [02:03:34] <danielh1234_> !infobot
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320 [02:03:45] <danielh1234_> ! infobot
321 [02:04:52] <danielh1234_> dselect, what is an infobot?
322 [02:04:52] <dselect> I think you lost me on that one, danielh1234_
323 [02:06:07] <jelly> dselect: infobot
324 [02:06:07] <dselect> Infobot is an IRC bot that is geared towards remembering "factoids", and repeating them back to people on request. It supports many additional features, such as google lookups, dictionary, spell checker, debian package checks, and more. See replaced-url
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363 [02:38:22] <kevr> Hello.
364 [02:38:56] <kevr> If I have a .deb package, not in the repositories, how can i use dpkg-query or something like this to look up the entire dependency stack, without meta-packages
365 [02:38:57] <kevr> ?
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368 [02:39:18] <kevr> i'd like to recursively look up the entire depenency stack
369 [02:40:04] <TomG2> i don't think you can
370 [02:40:27] <kevr> what if we make my requirements a bit more flexible; say i have access to aptitude as well
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372 [02:40:39] <kevr> or any debian packages
373 [02:40:42] <TomG2> you can try dpkg -I yourdeb.deb and then apt-get --dry-run install allthedependspackages
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375 [02:40:50] <kevr> eh
376 [02:41:01] <kevr> let's see
377 [02:41:50] <kevr> TomG2: if i have a package installed already, it doesn't show me anything useful there
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380 [02:42:22] <jelly> kevr, you can easily debootstrap a minimal system and do it in that environment
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384 [02:42:56] <kevr> jelly: is this the only route i can take?
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386 [02:43:49] <jelly> no, it's just what we thought of first
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388 [02:44:32] <jelly> kevr, eg. replaced-url
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391 [02:45:07] <kevr> gotcha, yeah, ive been trying to use debtree for this
392 [02:45:32] <kevr> i was wondering if there's a way to "prettify" debtree, so that it doesn't show me meta packages
393 [02:46:10] <jelly> if your package depends on them, there's no escaping them anyway
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398 [02:47:57] <kevr> eh... in normal debian, yes :P
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407 [02:56:06] <kevr> alright, well, thank you
408 [02:56:08] <kevr> :)
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528 [04:40:10] <hiya> What virtualbox replacement do you use from Main repo?
529 [04:40:18] <hiya> Anything better than Gnome boxes?
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541 [04:55:43] <Canucktux_> hiya: there's qemu-laucher
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561 [05:11:41] <taylorbyte> I've almost got a UEFI PXE boot with NFS root working, only thing i can't figure out is when i get to the login screen and enter my credentials it says "Login incorrect".
562 [05:13:48] <Canucktux_> taylorbyte: so it mounts 100% of stuff off NFS?
563 [05:15:58] <taylorbyte> i believe the nfs is mounting because when it wasnt i was left with a prompt like "(initramfs)". not sure if what your implying '100%' means some files aren't readable maybe from permissions?
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571 [05:26:23] <random_numbers> So it is indeed the 17th. I'd been intent on asking but seems the question was asked often enough that the topic includes it.
572 [05:27:08] <likcoras> Huh, the bot's dead.
573 [05:27:46] <likcoras> Anyway, the best replacement/alternative to virtualbox is qemu, right?
574 [05:28:05] <likcoras> Or should I also look into something else?
575 [05:28:23] <random_numbers> Kind of. Using libvirt (virt-manager and such) as a front-end.
576 [05:28:33] <random_numbers> It makes using different backends much easier.
577 [05:28:34] <taylorbyte> likcoras: i use libvirtd with virt-manager and that looks and feels like virtualbox but better i think
578 [05:28:46] <ryouma> i never got qemu to respect accessibility (font sizes etc.) but it is popular enough
579 [05:29:01] <likcoras> I tried to get all that stuff under control but never managed to really understand qemu/kvm/libvirt/whatever.
580 [05:29:01] <random_numbers> For instance, lib-virt has a standardized configuration format that works for all its backends.
581 [05:29:31] <likcoras> But since virtualbox is gone in stretch, might as well try again to understand it.
582 [05:29:32] <random_numbers> It's a front-end to various virtualization/emulation (QEMU?) backends.
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584 [05:29:45] <random_numbers> Isn't already in non-free in Jessie anyway?
585 [05:29:59] <likcoras> Well, yeah, but at least it's there.
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588 [05:30:51] <taylorbyte> likcoras: how i see libvirtd is a tool to easily make and manage qemu but in an xml file. virt-manager is the GUI and reads the xml file
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590 [05:31:13] <likcoras> libvirt != libvirtd?
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592 [05:31:21] <ryzokuken> hey all!
593 [05:31:31] <ryzokuken> I had been using GNOME for a long time.
594 [05:31:31] <random_numbers> likcoras: It does, I think libvirt is just me saying it wrong.
595 [05:31:38] <likcoras> Ah, alright.
596 [05:31:55] <ryzokuken> recently (probably yesterday) it started to strutter.
597 [05:32:07] <likcoras> Also, correct me if I'm getting this wrong, KVM is basically just making qemu run faster by using hw stuff?
598 [05:32:20] <likcoras> Or is there more to it?
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600 [05:32:20] <taylorbyte> likcoras: yeah libvirt , and KVM is just like Xen but developed in the kernel
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602 [05:32:31] <ryzokuken> how can I solve it, and what's the reason?
603 [05:32:33] <likcoras> I have absolutely no idea what Xen is...
604 [05:32:41] <likcoras> ryzokuken: what kind of struttering?
605 [05:32:44] <ryzokuken> should I remove GNOME and install XFCE? Will that solve it?
606 [05:32:49] <random_numbers> Xen is a baremetal hypervisor.
607 [05:32:55] <ryzokuken> likcoras, you know, it lags at times.
608 [05:32:56] <random_numbers> It's its own kernel and such.
609 [05:33:08] <likcoras> Ah, alright.
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611 [05:33:20] <ryzokuken> at certain points of time, the audio will come in bursts
612 [05:33:23] <random_numbers> KVM meanwhile works in Linux and enables QEMU to not be horribly slow when emulating stuff.
613 [05:33:27] <random_numbers> Like say a raspberry pi.
614 [05:33:27] <ryzokuken> and the mouse will move in bursts
615 [05:33:31] <ryzokuken> and everything else too
616 [05:33:39] <likcoras> My main use of vbox was running a few windows applications when I have no other alternative, would I need to worry about KVM?
617 [05:34:08] <random_numbers> Not sure. Windows tends not to react nicely to being moved to new hardware without a reinstall.
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619 [05:34:17] <likcoras> No games necessarily, although if I were to want games, I would probably also want KVM too, right?
620 [05:34:20] <random_numbers> If it's like it used to be about a decade ago...
621 [05:34:42] <likcoras> hmm...
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623 [05:34:57] <likcoras> Oh yeah, I remember one of my main problems back when I was trying out qemu.
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625 [05:35:12] <likcoras> How do I configure video memory allocated to the guest?
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627 [05:35:17] <ryzokuken> likcoras, could you help me?
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629 [05:35:26] <likcoras> ryzokuken: sorry, not too familiar with GNOME
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631 [05:36:03] <taylorbyte> likcoras: a tip for VGA / pass through: you'l need a motherboard that supports IOMMU and if you have an intel cpu needs to support VT-d and VT-x
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633 [05:36:20] <likcoras> Ehhhh.
634 [05:36:28] <likcoras> Time to look a lot of things up, I guess.
635 [05:36:34] <likcoras> Oh, it does support VT-x.
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638 [05:37:09] <random_numbers> Hm, I'd never bothered to find out if the video memory could be partitioned rather than fully allowed. Oh well.
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640 [05:37:21] <likcoras> As far as I know... vmx is the cpu flag, right?
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643 [05:37:46] <taylorbyte> yeah took me a while when i first started learning it and had to change my cpu, took me like 2 weeks to find out why IOMMU (passthough) wanst working, it was my CPU
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647 [05:38:14] <likcoras> qemu/libvirt doesn't have a similar mechanism to virtualbox for configuring video ram, then?
648 [05:38:29] <likcoras> I would need to do passthrough and stuff?
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650 [05:38:45] <taylorbyte> if you game
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652 [05:39:01] <likcoras> Oh well, I guess I'll stick to wine-compatible ones. :P
653 [05:39:32] <likcoras> For basic browsing and such (some websites FORCE ie, not even edge) I guess qemu would work.
654 [05:40:27] <likcoras> I would just follow this for setup, right? replaced-url
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658 [05:44:59] <random_numbers> Oh and read the security advice for backends on the libvirtd wiki site.
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660 [05:45:34] <random_numbers> replaced-url
661 [05:45:55] <likcoras> Will do! Thanks.
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680 [05:57:28] <Canucktux_> likcoras: I tried qemu-launcher but it keeps telling me that it can't detect the binary
681 [05:58:19] <likcoras> Huh...
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685 [06:02:10] <random_numbers> Did you install the package, I recall there being something weird with Jessie's dependencies.
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693 [06:08:00] <fun> How to use vpn
694 [06:08:03] <fun> Ifttt
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699 [06:13:25] <random_numbers> replaced-url
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705 [06:15:47] <prasket> fun, what do you mean how to use vpn? Are you asking how do you use a VPN?
706 [06:16:14] <fun> I mean which are vpn use cases
707 [06:16:26] <fun> I understand vpn is used for corporate
708 [06:16:30] <fun> I don't have that use case
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710 [06:16:40] <fun> What are other use cases for personal usages
711 [06:16:43] <fun> prasket:
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714 [06:16:57] <fun> I want to decide how vpn can be help
715 [06:17:00] <fun> Full to me
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717 [06:17:12] <fun> Or in which way I can use it
718 [06:17:21] <fun> I want to find out ways
719 [06:17:48] <prasket> I use a VPN anytime I am on a network I do not trust. i.e coffee shops, clients wifi, any open wifi
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722 [06:18:59] <prasket> There are also corporate VPN's which allow a remote user to connect to the office network.
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726 [06:20:01] <prasket> I would check out channel ##vpn they could probably provide much better assistance about VPN's
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728 [06:20:03] <random_numbers> VPNs can serve as accesses to virtual networks, which is what their name refers to, just as they can be used so that any attempt to connect to the outside uses a particular gateway. Both uses aren't mutually incompatible.
729 [06:20:17] <random_numbers> I think openVPN's documentation talks about it.
730 [06:21:04] <random_numbers> replaced-url
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737 [06:23:39] <EvanEsoteric> Hello everyone. Would someone be able to assist me? My Nautilus has a bug where it is very slow for the non-root users. I am using Thunar and would like to make it the default file manager. Question is, on Debian 8, how should I symlink this?
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740 [06:24:46] <Canucktux_> random_numbers: I installed the qemu-launcher package in Stretch and it downloaded 500MB+ of stuff
741 [06:25:01] <Canucktux_> EvanEsoteric: what DE are you using?
742 [06:25:31] <EvanEsoteric> Canucktux_ - Gnome
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744 [06:28:14] <Canucktux_> hmm, does this work? replaced-url
745 [06:28:26] <Canucktux_> seems like gnome is rather tricky to change the filemanager
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751 [06:29:56] <Canucktux_> EvanEsoteric: XFCE has a preferred application switcher that seems to work
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753 [06:30:14] <jmcnaught> EvanEsoteric: what's going on with nautilus?
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756 [06:31:46] <EvanEsoteric> Canucktux_: By application switcher, do you mean a simple way to toggle?
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758 [06:33:19] <Canucktux_> EvanEsoteric: yeah, there's a handy little dropdown i.imgur.com/iXtHaOz.png
759 [06:33:42] <random_numbers> Canucktux_: Does it work now?
760 [06:33:47] <EvanEsoteric> jmcnaught: Nautilus freezes when opened and essentially doesn't work. I'll get the error. Speedy on root, but about a 7 minute way for each folder opened with non-root.
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763 [06:34:29] <Canucktux_> random_numbers: hmm? I have't touched it
764 [06:34:41] <Canucktux_> random_numbers: I'll give it a reboot to be sure though
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769 [06:37:18] <EvanEsoteric> Seems Debian 8 doesn't enable change of file manager in default applications. I'll figure this out, I just keep putting it off.
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771 [06:37:58] <Canucktux_> random_numbers: still no dice :/
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775 [06:39:51] <random_numbers> Canucktux_: Weird.
776 [06:40:06] <EvanEsoteric> ahh script didn't work, thank you though! Very much apprecaited.
777 [06:40:36] <random_numbers> I have qemu-kvm, qemu-system-common, qemu-system-x86, qemu-utils installed.
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781 [06:44:07] <Canucktux_> random_numbers: just double checked, all those packages are installed
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786 [06:45:43] <random_numbers> Canucktux_: And creating a new machine using libvirtd and starting it fails? If so, then I'd probably try their channel, as I'm otherwise at loss at for what else you could do.
787 [06:46:13] <Canucktux_> I was just trying to lauch the plebian GUI (qemu-launcher)
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794 [06:52:13] <random_numbers> I've never used it knowingly.
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807 [07:00:29] <Mazhive> can someone explain me something about dmarc because when testing my mails i get You do not have a DMARC record, please add a TXT record to your domain _dmarc.example.com with the following value: / but i actually have the TXT record idns recordn my
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809 [07:00:38] <Canucktux_> random_numbers: no worries
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975 [09:40:41] <cunsultant> hello i have problem with linux mint ( on their chat i cant get help). i have problem after update kernel ( change to older dont repair) all files and partition is locked by unknown user, i cant edit or create files, root can only create new file but cant edit. chmod is ok
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994 [09:54:16] <babilen> cunsultant: We only support Debian in here. You could try ##linux for generic help
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999 [09:55:57] <cunsultant> oh rly i try find help 3 days and no one can help me there and on linux mint channel. maybe someone know how to repair this i think this is command line what is the same for all ubuntu debian based distros, only difference is window manager and repositories
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1008 [10:03:11] <Ben64> lol, didn't know he came here too
1009 [10:03:35] <Ben64> was trying to get me to support mint in #ubuntu too
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1067 [11:08:24] <Stryker-White> can someone help me with a wifi dongle problem?
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1070 [11:09:08] <danielh1234> dselect: ask
1071 [11:09:08] <dselect> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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1073 [11:12:03] <Stryker-White> trying to get a TP link TL-WN722N to work. I download a .zip file from the tplink website but dont know how to install them. And when I use the lsusb it comes up with no name
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1078 [11:15:40] <danielh1234> which Linux and Debian version are you running? run `uname -a && lsb_release -a`
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1082 [11:18:31] <Stryker-White> sorry i got disconnected
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1085 [11:19:26] <Stryker-White> can you please repeat that
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1088 [11:20:32] <danielh1234> Stryker-White: Try `apt-get install firmware-atheros` and a reboot. If that does not work `uname -a && lsb_release -d` would be helpful.
1089 [11:21:07] <Stryker-White> ok I will do that now
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1095 [11:23:37] <Stryker-White> Linux Kali 4.9.0-kali4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.9.30-lkalil (2017-06-06) x86_64 GNU
1096 [11:23:56] <Stryker-White> No LSB modules are available
1097 [11:24:08] <bazhang> #kali-linux for support Stryker-White
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1101 [11:25:22] <Stryker-White> I tried in that channel no one answered. I'm very new to Linux so please forgive my noobness
1102 [11:25:51] <CherryCheeks> hey #debian crew
1103 [11:26:00] <bazhang> weekends or irc tend to be slower
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1106 [11:27:09] <danielh1234> Stryker-White: did the firmware-atheros package change anything? I assume it was successfully installed? Does lsusb show a name now?
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1109 [11:27:50] <Stryker-White> brb just going to reboot will let u know
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1124 [11:36:52] <Stryker-White> ok it said I have the newest one. When I do lsusb it shows that its connected but only has the ID
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1126 [11:37:30] <mosk3d1> hey guys, i'm currently running the strech unstable, do i need to care about anything when it goes stable? I already edited the sources to stable
1127 [11:38:10] <heiru> hello, I have network problems after upgrading from jessie to stretch (which forced me to uninstall and reinstall network-manager): I can connect to wifi, but can only access a few websites like google.de / everything else is not accessible. 'route' command gives empty list, 'ping' command says 'connect: Network unreachable' I have no idea how to fix this. can you help me pls?
1128 [11:38:44] <danielh1234> mosk3d1: change it to 'stretch' then it will be stretch regardless of its status.
1129 [11:39:10] <danielh1234> Stryker-White: Do you have it in a USB 3 or 2 port?
1130 [11:39:21] <mosk3d1> danielh1234: already done that, nice thank you
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1133 [11:40:12] <Stryker-White> Its a macbook air I think its 2
1134 [11:40:28] <Stryker-White> on my PC its in a usb 2 port with the same problem
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1136 [11:41:43] <Stryker-White> dose it make a difference?
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1138 [11:42:30] <danielh1234> Stryker-White: it should not, but might replaced-url
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1142 [11:44:06] <Stryker-White> I did something befor I cant remember what something to do with usbswitch. it came up saying it found something about a default wifi driver but couldnt swith
1143 [11:44:14] <danielh1234> heiru: did you remove and readd any NetworkManager configuration for the interfaces / networks? Is DHCP normally working in your network?
1144 [11:44:22] <mosk3d1> heiru: Do you use a working DNS server?
1145 [11:45:00] <heiru> the only thing I changed was adding the google dns server to /etc/resolv.conf in order to test if that helps
1146 [11:45:20] <heiru> yes, dhcp is working in my network normally
1147 [11:45:53] <heiru> when I enter nmcli
1148 [11:45:56] <mosk3d1> heiru: is it in the first position? I had problems with the next ones in the order
1149 [11:46:41] <heiru> when I enter nmcli i can see that only one dns server is active (which is a ipv6 ip i don't know)
1150 [11:47:41] <heiru> mosk3d1: I see the google dns was removed from resolv.conf probably when I restarted network-manager
1151 [11:48:26] <heiru> mosk3d1: but I added it to the first line
1152 [11:50:07] <mosk3d1> heiru: if your DHCP doens't give the unknown IPv6 adress something else resets the resolv.conf, is it working if you edit it after the installation?
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1154 [11:50:32] <danielh1234> Stryker-White: does `dmesg | grep -C 3 htc.9271` give any clues as to what went wrong? also dselect paste
1155 [11:50:41] <danielh1234> dselect: paste
1156 [11:50:41] <dselect> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: replaced-url
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1161 [11:51:31] <teraflops> heiru: did you check your resolv.conf is not a symlink?
1162 [11:51:38] <Dagger> if `ping` is giving "connect: Network unreachable" then it sounds like DNS is working, otherwise it'd give a DNS error
1163 [11:51:42] <heiru> teraflops: it is a symlink
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1165 [11:51:59] <Dagger> (you can check with `getent ahosts <hostname>` or `host <hostname>`)
1166 [11:52:07] <heiru> teraflops: to /var/run/NetworkManager/resolv.conf
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1168 [11:52:44] <Dagger> "google.de works but other sites don't" sounds like you have working v6 but broken v4 (if facebook.com, he.net etc work too then that'd back that up)
1169 [11:52:46] <heiru> mosk3d1: If I add the google dns to the first line of resolv.conf and do nothing else (no restarting of networking / network-manger) it does not work
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1173 [11:53:52] <heiru> Dagger: yes, facebook and he.com are working
1174 [11:53:58] <mosk3d1> heiru: i don't know exactly if it works without a restart, i think there is some DNS cache running, maybe someone with more knowledge can tell you that
1175 [11:54:13] <heiru> mosk3d1: ok, thank you
1176 [11:54:40] <heiru> Dagger: what would I need to do to fix ipv4 ?
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1178 [11:54:59] <Dagger> aaand that's the question, isn't it
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1180 [11:55:14] <teraflops> heiru: he.net? are you using a tunnelbroket? /me scrolls up
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1184 [11:55:48] <Dagger> teraflops: no, I just suggested a dual-stack website to test with and that was the one I could remember offhand
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1189 [11:56:11] <danielh1234> heiru: Does IPv4 work locally? `ping -4 gateway`
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1191 [11:56:36] <teraflops> Dagger: ah nvm. i was late to the party
1192 [11:57:00] <Dagger> heiru: does `dhclient <interface>` help any? if not then it's possible the DHCP daemon on the router died
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1194 [11:57:23] <heiru> danielh1234: no it says connect: network unreachable also
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1197 [11:58:18] <danielh1234> heiru: which would Dagger up. Did you try restarting the router?
1198 [11:58:27] <danielh1234> *back up
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1200 [11:59:01] <heiru> dhclient did not help, I'll restart the router
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1202 [11:59:17] <heiru> but I have only trouble on this device, which is strange
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1205 [12:00:14] <danielh1234> heiru: that would make sense if it was the last of the tested devices to connect (or the other ones use static IPs).
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1213 [12:05:05] <Commander1024> I have a strange problem running a Debian Stretch in a Stretch KVM hypervisor. Since yesterday (nothing done except short internet outtage) /dev/null seems to be broken. IPv4 access broken, because dhclient fails with /dev/null related messages, same goes for apt and bash login
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1215 [12:05:42] <Commander1024> Nothing complex installed or configured, it's basically a rsnapshot backup vm with little mail and stuff - much space free
1216 [12:05:52] <Ben64> Commander1024: ls -l /dev/null
1217 [12:06:29] <Commander1024> srwxr-xr-x 1 root root 0 Jun 11 03:57 /dev/null
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1220 [12:07:09] <Ben64> well there you go
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1223 [12:07:32] <Commander1024> don't see it yet
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1225 [12:07:52] <Ben64> /dev/null usually doesn't look like that
1226 [12:08:10] <heiru> restarting the router did not help :(
1227 [12:08:12] <Ben64> crw-rw-rw- 1 root root 1, 3 May 2 15:53 /dev/null
1228 [12:08:29] <Commander1024> that's right
1229 [12:08:46] <danielh1234> Commander1024: `rm /dev/null && mknod /dev/null c 1 3 && chmod 666 /dev/null`
1230 [12:09:47] <Commander1024> that worked - now it looks more familiar
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1235 [12:10:07] <Commander1024> I'll try a few things, but I guess it is esoteric to think about the how and why?
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1240 [12:11:44] <Commander1024> fascinating, now it does not boot anymore ;-)
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1243 [12:12:14] <Commander1024> ipv4 connectivity restored - but ssh dead
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1250 [12:14:45] <Commander1024> it seems to boot ok up the point where a getty or something should be spawned
1251 [12:15:13] <Commander1024> and then stands there with blinking cursor, network functional, ssh dead, no interaction on console
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1255 [12:19:01] <danielh1234> Commander1024: maybe you accidentally overwrite /dev/null with a command? Or passed it as a socket path to some program that just deleted it to make room for the socket? Maybe other special files under /dev/ are broken as well?
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1259 [12:20:03] <Commander1024> I can access the system in recovery mode, /dev/null still looks ok, no errors regarding that
1260 [12:21:31] <danielh1234> any other sockets in /dev? find /dev -type s
1261 [12:22:01] <Commander1024> nope
1262 [12:23:56] <danielh1234> Some weird service destroying the freshly set up /dev/ files on startup (which does not happen in recovery)? Did the system have successful reboots after the last update / configuration change?
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1264 [12:25:12] <Commander1024> it did boot after last update and ony config changes were rsnapshot config
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1266 [12:26:24] <Commander1024> don't have errors in log. Looks like it boots ok, but then when it should spawn a console thingy (getty or such) nothing happens
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1268 [12:26:40] <Commander1024> fs'es are ok
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1272 [12:27:50] <heiru> as I understand my problem, I just don't get a ipv4 adress in my network for some reason - ifconfig confirms this, any Idea how to get a ipv4 adress?
1273 [12:28:32] <Commander1024> ip addr add x.x.x.x/y dev <interface>
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1278 [12:30:25] <danielh1234> Commander1024: does `ls -l /dev/tty*` look like replaced-url
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1281 [12:31:57] <Commander1024> yep, pretty much tty1 is owned by root, but there is no graphical something on it
1282 [12:32:36] <Commander1024> ah mom
1283 [12:32:47] <Commander1024> I pulled up network, could not login via ssh
1284 [12:32:58] <Commander1024> restarted sshd, now I can login via network again
1285 [12:33:18] <teraflops> heiru: check youre not using 2 network management tools at the same time, 2 stop using ifconfig,
1286 [12:33:40] <Commander1024> "System is booting up. See pam_nologin(8)"
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1288 [12:34:20] <Commander1024> ah, that seems to be related to recovery mode
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1290 [12:36:29] <Commander1024> pam_systemd(sshd:session): Failed to connect to system bus: No such file or directory <- interesting?
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1294 [12:38:21] <Commander1024> WTF=?
1295 [12:38:33] <Commander1024> as if nothing has happened
1296 [12:39:06] <Commander1024> ok, /dev/null broken again
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1299 [12:39:47] <heiru> teraflops: i dont have wicd, rdnssd or resolvconf installed, and I use ifconfig only to show the devices ip adresses, so I think that is ok
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1302 [12:40:29] <heiru> teraflops: I was testing a bit and It seems that no matter if I use wifi or lan, I only get ipv6 adresses assigned
1303 [12:40:35] <Commander1024> i restarted sshd in recovery mode and pulled up network before. ssh worked fine in recovery then. Rebooted, login prompt appeared, ssh dead and /dev/null broken
1304 [12:40:39] <teraflops> heiru: I meant, how do you manage tour network?
1305 [12:40:50] <teraflops> your^
1306 [12:40:58] <heiru> teraflops: with network-manager / network-manager-gnome and nmcli
1307 [12:41:48] <heiru> if I look into my router, it seems that my device gets a ipv4 adress assigned, but it never shows up on the device
1308 [12:42:08] <teraflops> heiru: stop network-manager service, and any dhcpcd/dhclient instance you find using pgrep/ps
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1315 [12:43:35] <teraflops> heiru: I'm assuming it was working before, right?
1316 [12:43:53] <heiru> teraflops: ok, i have stopped the processes
1317 [12:43:54] <danielh1234> If you can not log in in normal mode, try adding 'console=ttyS0' to the linux line on Grub or whereever and see if the serial console allows you to log in.
1318 [12:44:07] <teraflops> heiru: I'm also assuming the network device/devices are detected correctly
1319 [12:44:22] <heiru> teraflops: it was working before I upgraded to stretch, but my wifi card was not wirking then (it works only with the drivers in stretch)
1320 [12:44:56] <teraflops> heiru: lets focus on wired network then
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1322 [12:45:39] <teraflops> heiru: whats the output of ip link show?
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1324 [12:46:10] <teraflops> do you see devices there? as in e.g enp2s0f0 (sort of)
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1328 [12:49:14] <Commander1024> danielh1234, I'll try that
1329 [12:49:48] <heiru> teraflops: replaced-url
1330 [12:50:10] <heiru> sorry I had to copy it using a flash drive
1331 [12:50:17] <teraflops> np
1332 [12:50:49] <teraflops> heiru: I wonder why are you having eth0 in stretch?
1333 [12:50:59] <teraflops> s/?/
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1337 [12:51:26] <heiru> I don't know, should it have a different name?
1338 [12:51:41] <teraflops> I also kindly request you to stop using pastebin.com
1339 [12:52:08] <teraflops> heiru: it should unless you explicitly changed the behaviour
1340 [12:52:40] <heiru> no it did not change it
1341 [12:52:41] <Dagger> teraflops: only on a clean install. the opposite is true for a jessie upgrade
1342 [12:53:00] <teraflops> Dagger: oh, good to know
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1346 [12:53:53] <teraflops> heiru: so, it seems you have more computers there, do you know the ip address of your router?
1347 [12:54:17] <heiru> yes, I do
1348 [12:54:28] <teraflops> which is…
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1350 [12:55:04] <heiru> 192.168.178.1
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1356 [12:55:51] <teraflops> so try sudo ip addr add 192.168.178.239/24
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1358 [12:56:09] <teraflops> let's pray this address is not taken^
1359 [12:56:29] <teraflops> then sudo ip link set eth0 up
1360 [12:56:32] <Commander1024> I guess he should add the device sudo ip addr add 192.168.178.239/24 dev eth0
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1362 [12:56:51] <teraflops> yeha sorry im typing from the phone
1363 [12:57:18] <teraflops> sudo ip addr add 192.168.178.239/24 dev eth0
1364 [12:57:38] <heiru> right now, the wired interface is completely missing, maybe because I stopped all the processes?
1365 [12:57:46] <heiru> I entered the command
1366 [12:58:07] <Commander1024> it is probably down "sudo ip link set eth0 up"
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1368 [12:58:38] <Commander1024> and then "sudo ip route add default gw 192.168.178.1"
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1370 [12:58:54] <teraflops> heiru: now sudo ip route add default via 192.168.178.1
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1372 [12:59:09] <Commander1024> what teraflops says... mixed route and ip
1373 [12:59:33] <teraflops> heiru: and then try to ping the router
1374 [12:59:46] <heiru> ok, but 'sudo ip link set eth0 up' is still running (not finished)
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1376 [12:59:59] <teraflops> heiru: that's definitely waird
1377 [13:00:02] <teraflops> weird
1378 [13:00:09] <teraflops> heiru: check cables
1379 [13:00:20] <Commander1024> nearly as weird a randomly self-destroying /dev/null's
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1382 [13:01:11] <heiru> cables are good, even the lights began to blink again
1383 [13:01:21] <heiru> still running
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1385 [13:01:39] <teraflops> heiru: look at journal
1386 [13:01:42] <Commander1024> heiru, you don't use some esotherical "smart managed" vlan capable switches? thinking in the direction of switch misconfiguration that gives you multi/broadcast ipv6 ra's but no unicast traffic?
1387 [13:02:19] <heiru> I'm using a 4-port switch for my wired connection
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1391 [13:02:49] <Commander1024> is it stupid or "smart" (as in has a cli/web interface)?
1392 [13:02:50] <heiru> teraflops: what do you mean by journal? syslog?
1393 [13:03:03] <teraflops> heiru: yep or journalctl
1394 [13:03:32] <heiru> Commander1024: No it has no web interface I think
1395 [13:03:39] <Commander1024> ok
1396 [13:03:45] <teraflops> heiru: are you sure there is no other process running dealing with eth0?
1397 [13:03:46] <heiru> it does not have an ip adress to my knowledge
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1403 [13:04:54] <heiru> i was I think I need to reboot my device, syslog shows no output right now
1404 [13:05:15] <heiru> -(i was)
1405 [13:06:31] <heiru> thank you very much for your help by the way!
1406 [13:06:39] <teraflops> heiru: the process is simple. make yourself sure there is no network management tool running, no dhcpwhatever running, than try to give an ip address to eth0 as above and a default route. then ping the gateway
1407 [13:06:43] <heiru> sorry for coming up with this problem
1408 [13:06:55] <teraflops> no worries
1409 [13:06:59] <danielh1234> heiru: as for other processes try the shotgun in the dark approach: pgrep -li 'ip|if|eth|net'
1410 [13:07:15] <teraflops> if that works, next thing is figuring out whats going on with dhcp
1411 [13:07:26] <heiru> ok, I'll try this
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1424 [13:11:47] <Commander1024> danielh1234, I got it repaird in runtime and can ssh into it again with fixing /dev/null again and restarting sshd
1425 [13:12:15] <Commander1024> Interestingly it got a different IP now, which usually does not happen with my pfsense route except MAC address changes
1426 [13:12:33] <Commander1024> But I guess I will be unable to login again when I reboot
1427 [13:12:55] <Commander1024> runtime non-recovery mode
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1429 [13:18:58] <heiru> how would I freshly install debian testing? I cant find any installer iso, is the only way to install stable and then upgrade by changing /etc/apt/sources.lst ?
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1431 [13:19:19] <heiru> (to avoid the hassel with the upgrade process)
1432 [13:19:59] <danielh1234> Commander1024: sounds like some service or cron job is messing up /dev/null and potentially others _if_ it starts. Do `find /dev -type s` and `ls -l /dev/tty*` look different now?
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1434 [13:20:46] <heiru> to my wired connection: right now it's not working at all, i'm using a usb ethernet adapter (the laptop has no wired network card)
1435 [13:20:52] <teraflops> heiru: you can grab a netinstall, and using the expert mode just install minimal system, then dist upgrade. but iirc there are stretch isos too that you can use safely
1436 [13:21:08] <heiru> ok, thank you
1437 [13:21:22] <teraflops> heiru: so it never worked since you upgraded to stretch?
1438 [13:21:30] <Commander1024> danielh1234, only /dev/null b0rk after a regular reboot
1439 [13:21:58] <Commander1024> and as consequence dhclient sshd
1440 [13:22:20] <Commander1024> I'm not even close to a clue what could mess with it
1441 [13:22:50] <heiru> hmm no it worked once, but now it does not become active after plugin in (no lights etc)
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1443 [13:23:05] <heiru> i even tried another cable
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1445 [13:23:30] <danielh1234> heiru: replaced-url
1446 [13:23:37] <Commander1024> well, I did a config change
1447 [13:24:16] <Commander1024> I jumped into the snmpd systemd service definition file to mute it when the monitoring system queries it. but that works (even after reboot) on the host, where I changed it, too
1448 [13:25:03] <Commander1024> It would be an easy thing to grab the 10 config files I touched and set it all up again freshly but that would be quite unsatisfactory
1449 [13:25:44] <danielh1234> Commander1024: Does 'muting' include setting something to /dev/null?
1450 [13:25:53] <Commander1024> nope, just log verbosity
1451 [13:27:03] <Commander1024> -ExecStart=/usr/sbin/snmpd -LS 0-4 d /dev/null -u Debian-snmp -g Debian-snmp -I -smux,mteTrigger,mteTriggerConf -f
1452 [13:27:03] <Commander1024> +ExecStart=/usr/sbin/snmpd -LS4d /dev/null -u Debian-snmp -g Debian-snmp -I -smux,mteTrigger,mteTriggerConf -f
1453 [13:27:22] <Commander1024> eh, other way round of course
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1455 [13:28:24] <Commander1024> default was -Ls which basically spams debug log into syslog - which can be quite annoying and write-intensive on a ssd
1456 [13:29:07] <heiru> ok I just had to activate it again by typing "sudo ip link set up eth0", then I did "sudo ip addr add 192.168.178.239/24 dev eth0" which worked also, I typed "sudo ip route add default via 192.168.178.1" but then I got: RTNETLINK anwers: Network is unreachable
1457 [13:29:18] <Commander1024> this is the default debian net-snmp behaviour since at least debian wheezy and it sucks dick, and since jessie /etc/default/snmpd is completely ignored by systemd and the bug-report as well
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1459 [13:29:21] <heiru> danielh1234: thank you for the url
1460 [13:29:42] <heiru> teraflops: do you know what could be the problem?
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1462 [13:30:48] <danielh1234> Commander1024: you could back up your new configuration, revert the changes (logging especially) and see if that "solves" the problem. If so, it may be a bug.
1463 [13:30:54] <teraflops> heiru: unless 192.168.178.239 is in use, I have no idea, do you have in your router a thingy that might block by mac address?
1464 [13:31:07] <heiru> I'll check
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1466 [13:31:37] <Commander1024> danielh1234, yeah - because after elaborating I just noticed that - tada /dev/null explicitly gets mentioned in that very line I changed/posted
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1469 [13:32:30] <danielh1234> Commander1024: yeah... I overlooked it as well :)
1470 [13:32:48] <Commander1024> debian-default: ExecStart=/usr/sbin/snmpd -Lsd -Lf /dev/null -u Debian-snmp -g Debian-snmp -I -smux,mteTrigger,mteTriggerConf -f
1471 [13:33:05] <Commander1024> Maybe I have to dig myself into a deep hole soon, *checking things*
1472 [13:33:06] <teraflops> Commander1024: just a wild thought, are you sure -LS... /dev/null does what you think is does? maybe is not treating /dev/null as you think it does
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1474 [13:33:42] <Commander1024> yeah, it does, but aparrently I killed the -Lf in front of /dev/null
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1480 [13:35:11] <heiru> teraflops: I still had processes that messed up my config, now it works (I can ping the router)
1481 [13:35:22] <teraflops> ^
1482 [13:35:23] <Commander1024> danielh1234, teraflops it's official, I'm stupid
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1484 [13:35:47] <teraflops> heiru: which processes?
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1486 [13:36:07] <Commander1024> ExecStart=/usr/sbin/snmpd -LS 0-4 d -Lf /dev/null -u Debian-snmp -g Debian-snmp -I -smux,mteTrigger,mteTriggerConf -f <- works and is silent
1487 [13:36:16] <Commander1024> does not mess with /dev/null anymore
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1489 [13:36:41] <teraflops> you only want _one_ network management tool running (unless you know what youre doing)
1490 [13:36:52] <heiru> teraflops: I had: netns, ipv6_addrconf, irq/126-iwlwifi, NetworkManager
1491 [13:37:10] <teraflops> heiru: so you still had NM running
1492 [13:37:29] <heiru> yes sorry, maybe because I rebooted in between
1493 [13:37:33] <teraflops> yep
1494 [13:37:42] <teraflops> heiru: ok, now try setting it up using NM
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1496 [13:38:19] <teraflops> you can use nmtui/or the applet
1497 [13:38:26] <heiru> ok
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1499 [13:39:07] <teraflops> you have to restart NM or just reboot (itcrowd approach)
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1506 [13:41:14] <heiru> I restarted nm and it still works (but I still have the same IP adress .239)
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1510 [13:42:02] <Commander1024> thanks a lot for helping to think danielh1234 and teraflops
1511 [13:42:13] <danielh1234> np
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1514 [13:43:08] <teraflops> Commander1024: np
1515 [13:43:44] <teraflops> heiru: yeah, no try to set it to pick an ip via dhcp
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1520 [13:44:55] <teraflops> heiru: what you use? DE/WM
1521 [13:45:01] <teraflops> nm-applet?
1522 [13:45:03] <teraflops> nmtui?
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1524 [13:46:17] <heiru> I have network-manager-gnome installed, so I have the gui on the top right of my screen
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1526 [13:46:47] <heiru> the wired connection does not come up from itself
1527 [13:47:04] <heiru> (i rebooted now to reset everything)
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1530 [13:47:53] <teraflops> heiru: replaced-url
1531 [13:47:56] <teraflops> all auto
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1534 [13:48:40] <heiru> yes, thats how I have it
1535 [13:49:00] <teraflops> lets see if that works this time
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1544 [13:55:08] <heiru> teraflops: no, I still have the same error than before: ping says network not reachable
1545 [13:55:39] <heiru> ping google -> working, ping startpage.com -> not working
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1548 [13:56:35] <heiru> and I have an ipv6 address again
1549 [13:57:02] <heiru> I think network-manager somehow messes up the configuration, but I don't know why
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1551 [13:57:49] <danielh1234> heiru: Do you by any chance have multiple DHCP servers on your network?
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1553 [13:58:47] <danielh1234> like multiple wifi routers or a bridged VM with a DHCP daemon
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1558 [13:59:13] <heiru> danielh1234: not that I know of, but I'll try to inspect using wireshark
1559 [13:59:35] <teraflops> heiru: ip6 address? mind pasting it?
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1561 [14:00:59] <teraflops> heiru: you can tell NM to avoid getting ipv6 address but Im curious about what's the ipv6 address youre getting
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1564 [14:01:31] <heiru> ok wait, I'll paste it
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1568 [14:01:45] <teraflops> heiru: "ip -6 a" if you can
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1570 [14:02:34] <teraflops> danielh1234: or silly ISP ipv6 implementation
1571 [14:03:17] <heiru> any good paste website?
1572 [14:03:29] <danielh1234> dselect: paste
1573 [14:03:29] <dselect> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: replaced-url
1574 [14:03:29] <teraflops> replaced-url
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1576 [14:04:13] <heiru> replaced-url
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1578 [14:04:34] <teraflops> heiru: well you have ipv6 :P
1579 [14:04:50] <heiru> yes, and nothing else, right?
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1583 [14:05:11] <danielh1234> it would not show anything else with -6
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1585 [14:05:44] <teraflops> danielh1234: I was afraid he was talking about fe80::250:b6ff:fe0f:72da/64 scope link
1586 [14:05:45] <heiru> ip -4 shows only lo
1587 [14:05:56] <teraflops> idk how is in stretch ping -6 or ping6
1588 [14:06:05] <teraflops> heiru: try to ping -6 google.com
1589 [14:06:26] <danielh1234> teraflops: i know, that's what I expected.
1590 [14:06:28] <heiru> ping -6 google.com is working
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1592 [14:06:54] <heiru> same with -4 gives "network unreachable"
1593 [14:07:09] <teraflops> heiru: ok, so go call blame isp, meanwhile you can try to set ipv4 fixed address
1594 [14:07:20] <teraflops> s/call/
1595 [14:07:49] <teraflops> heiru: idk your plastic router though
1596 [14:08:27] <danielh1234> but what influence on the local DHCP stuff does the ISP have? is it not only the router / DHCP server within?
1597 [14:08:33] <heiru> would it help to disable ipv6 completely?
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1599 [14:08:48] <Dagger> isn't v6 the thing that's working?
1600 [14:08:53] <teraflops> danielh1234: I think his router is doing something odd
1601 [14:09:05] <teraflops> Dagger: it does like a charm
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1604 [14:09:44] <heiru> but why do I have the problem since the upgrade to stretch?
1605 [14:09:45] <teraflops> Dagger: also setting v4 address by hand it works
1606 [14:09:51] <teraflops> no idea tbh
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1609 [14:10:15] <danielh1234> dhclient still not working?
1610 [14:10:22] <heiru> there was a conflict with rdnssd and network manager while upgrading, and rdnssd was removed
1611 [14:10:28] <heiru> dunno
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1613 [14:10:49] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
1614 [14:11:10] <heiru> 'sudo dhclient eth0' does not change anything
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1618 [14:11:58] <teraflops> it's dhclient -4
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1621 [14:12:44] <teraflops> idk to what is defaulting NM in debian stretch, dhclient/dhcpcd/internal?
1622 [14:12:45] <heiru> dhclient -4 also did not help
1623 [14:13:24] <teraflops> heiru: tried setting fixed ipv4 in NM?
1624 [14:14:12] <BluesKaj> teraflops, the system nomenclature for eth0 is something like enp0s7 etc, no more eth0,1 etc
1625 [14:14:29] <BluesKaj> systemd that is
1626 [14:14:44] <teraflops> BluesKaj: unless you dist-upgraded from jessie
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1628 [14:15:26] <heiru> teraflops: I have configured a manual ip using the network-manager gui, but nothing changed - do I need to restart nm?
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1630 [14:15:43] <heiru> s/manual/fixed
1631 [14:15:58] <danielh1234> heiru: try reconnecting the connection in NM
1632 [14:15:58] <teraflops> the aplet has a switch to on/off
1633 [14:16:07] <teraflops> applet^
1634 [14:16:12] <BluesKaj> really, then you have to enable systemd networkd
1635 [14:16:24] <teraflops> BluesKaj: why?
1636 [14:17:00] <heiru> danielh1234: now it works!
1637 [14:17:01] <BluesKaj> eventually at least when networking updates/upgrades
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1639 [14:17:33] <teraflops> heiru: ok, now go figure out why dhcp only icks ipv6 address :P
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1641 [14:17:43] <teraflops> picks
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1643 [14:18:27] <danielh1234> heiru: can you paste /etc/dhcp/dhclient.conf ?
1644 [14:18:41] <heiru> can it be a problem with apparmor?
1645 [14:19:06] <teraflops> BluesKaj: doing wireless with systemd-networkd is annoying if you switch of ap all the time
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1647 [14:19:24] <teraflops> idk, read the logs
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1649 [14:20:02] <BluesKaj> teraflops, well systemd period is annoying, but i guess we have to live with it
1650 [14:20:02] <danielh1234> or try disabling it and see if the automatic DHCP IPv4 works
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1652 [14:20:49] <teraflops> BluesKaj: well it is for you, I was talking specifically of doing wireless using systemd-networkd
1653 [14:20:55] <heiru> danielh1234: replaced-url
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1659 [14:22:43] <BluesKaj> teraflops, yeah i understand, wifi can be trouble some in the best of circumstances
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1662 [14:23:01] <BluesKaj> troublesome
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1665 [14:24:29] <teraflops> I just find nmtui less annoying for doing wireless
1666 [14:24:46] <teraflops> NM I meant
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1668 [14:25:44] <danielh1234> heiru: completely default, should work. Anything interesting in { dmesg && journalctl ;} | grep -iC3 dhc
1669 [14:26:58] <heiru> yes, both dhcpcd and dhclient seem to be in enforce mode
1670 [14:27:13] <heiru> I am trying to disable apparmor completely
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1674 [14:29:39] <danielh1234> dhcpcd? as in a DHCP server?
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1677 [14:30:13] <teraflops> danielh1234: nope dhcpcd — a DHCP client
1678 [14:30:44] <heiru> it is now working!
1679 [14:30:49] <heiru> I am so sorry
1680 [14:30:54] <danielh1234> so AppArmor?
1681 [14:30:57] <teraflops> ugh
1682 [14:31:04] <heiru> yes, it must have been apparmor
1683 [14:31:26] <heiru> i had no idea that this could cause such problems
1684 [14:31:42] <heiru> and i didnt know what i was doing
1685 [14:31:57] <heiru> sorry for bringing this trouble to you :/
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1687 [14:32:17] <teraflops> yeah and since debian does not default to it we didnt ask
1688 [14:32:23] <teraflops> heiru: np
1689 [14:32:24] <heiru> but ping -4 <anything> is now working
1690 [14:32:33] <danielh1234> heiru: apt-get install apparmor-profiles ?
1691 [14:32:46] <heiru> yes, you couldnt know
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1693 [14:33:06] <heiru> danielh1234: I was doing what is described here: replaced-url
1694 [14:33:15] <heiru> under "Install more profiles"
1695 [14:33:55] <heiru> sorry again :/
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1697 [14:34:01] <teraflops> no worries
1698 [14:34:17] <danielh1234> So it's basically 'Note that many of these profiles are not up-to-date and might break functionality in enforce mode.'?
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1701 [14:35:11] <heiru> yes I guess that should be written in bold and red letters
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1704 [14:36:11] <heiru> thank you very much for your help, and a big sorry
1705 [14:36:50] <danielh1234> no problem, glad it works now
1706 [14:37:09] <fun> hi
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1709 [14:40:47] <mint> hi, in debian 9, packed selinux-policy-default are banned
1710 [14:40:58] <mint> or no
1711 [14:41:01] <mint> please
1712 [14:41:27] <babilen> Banned?
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1714 [14:41:50] <babilen> Why do you think that selinux-policy-default is banned?
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1716 [14:42:10] <babilen> (and what does that mean?)
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1718 [14:42:29] <mint> he was banned in jessie
1719 [14:42:45] <babilen> You mean that the package had been removed?
1720 [14:42:50] <babilen> judd: v selinux-policy-default
1721 [14:42:51] <judd> Package: selinux-policy-default on amd64 -- wheezy: 2:2.20110726-12; sid: 2:2.20161023.1-9; stretch: 2:2.20161023.1-9
1722 [14:42:55] <babilen> mint: ^
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1724 [14:44:17] <mint> yes removed
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1732 [14:45:37] <mint> is possible use selinux in debian
1733 [14:45:41] <mint> ?
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1739 [14:47:59] <BluesKaj> mint, yes the libs are intalled by default
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1741 [14:49:36] <BluesKaj> installed even
1742 [14:49:54] <mint> ok, but dont has packet selinux-policy-* in debian, right?
1743 [14:50:22] <BluesKaj> dunno
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1747 [14:52:28] <danielh1234> replaced-url
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1751 [14:54:40] <samantha-> i have a machine running a big RAID array (a total of 11 drives in the machine), and one of the drives (ata19) seems to be close to giving up the ghost. is there a way to exercise this drive so its status light lights up, so i can tell which physical drive it is, so i can prioritize pulling and replacing it?
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1754 [14:57:07] <mint> alguem sabe como eu posso fazer a placa wireless intelbras RBN 240 trabalhar no debian, no ubuntu e no mint sempre funciona, menos no debian?
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1756 [14:57:57] <humbot> erm,
1757 [14:58:01] <humbot> !br
1758 [14:58:07] <humbot> !pt
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1762 [14:58:44] <danielh1234> samantha-: you could try to figure out the port number with `find /sys/devices -name ata19` then follow the cable from the controller/mainboard.
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1764 [14:59:17] <mint> someone know how to do use Wireless intelbras WBN 240 in debian, in mint and ubuntu, work, but in debian no?
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1772 [15:03:06] <BluesKaj> mint, replaced-url
1773 [15:03:59] <danielh1234> mint: or `apt-get install firmware-atheros`
1774 [15:04:07] <mint> thank you
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1776 [15:05:56] <babilen> missmbob: You asked about Debian 9 (i.e. Stretch) and you can see in the list above that selinux-policy-default will be part of that release.
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1782 [15:08:29] <dvs> 67 bugs left!!!
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1803 [15:19:50] <LUISA> hi all
1804 [15:20:09] <LUISA> replaced-url
1805 [15:20:19] <LUISA> replaced-url
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1816 [15:28:13] <jonathan_x> would anyone know where I could find people who would know something about error correction? (BCH codes).
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1821 [15:30:51] <nkuttler> any ideas how to remount / rw again when the device is marked as read only? mount: cannot remount /dev/mapper/foo read-write, is write-protected
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1824 [15:31:38] <BluesKaj> jonathan_x, if you state your real issue , maybe someone can help, but otherwise that's a question for ##linux chat...maybe
1825 [15:31:56] <BluesKaj> err ##linux
1826 [15:31:58] <zykotick9> nkuttler: is that an SD card with a "switch" on it perhaps?
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1828 [15:32:10] <jonathan_x> it has nothing to do with linux, sorry, but I am asking in #math right now. (wrong answer).
1829 [15:32:20] <nkuttler> zykotick9: it's an ssd on a remote system
1830 [15:32:26] <danielh1234> nkuttler: otherwise `blockdev --setrw /dev/...`
1831 [15:32:31] <zykotick9> nkuttler: ahhh. good luck.
1832 [15:32:44] <nkuttler> danielh1234: already tried, that didn't help either
1833 [15:32:53] <sh00p> mount -o remount,rw / ?
1834 [15:32:54] <nkuttler> hm, let me retry after the fsck
1835 [15:32:58] <sh00p> is what i usually do
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1838 [15:35:38] <nkuttler> i guess i could try to reboot, but it's an encrypted /, so i'd have to store the passphrase on the disk.. and if it goes wrong the machine would be down for a week :|
1839 [15:35:56] <danielh1234> nkuttler: check blockdev --getro for all underlying devices. Also check that LVM does not prevent read-write mounting (snapshots etc.)
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1843 [15:38:44] <nkuttler> danielh1234: hm, getro says 0 for all devices. no lvm
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1847 [15:40:44] <danielh1234> nkuttler: did you open it with -r or --readonly?
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1851 [15:41:50] <nkuttler> danielh1234: do you mean the luksOpen? no, that system has been up for weeks
1852 [15:42:03] <danielh1234> and rw access was okay?
1853 [15:42:07] <nkuttler> yeah
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1855 [15:42:17] <nkuttler> and it's a brand new ssd.. crap..
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1857 [15:42:47] <danielh1234> any other partitions on the ssd to test write access?
1858 [15:43:47] <nkuttler> oh. the kernel doesn't know about any partitions on the disk. that's not good..
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1860 [15:44:13] <nkuttler> seems like the device nodes were just left around
1861 [15:45:30] <danielh1234> maybe there are no partitions and the whole thing is one encrypted device. dmesg | grep 'read.\?only'
1862 [15:46:01] <nkuttler> i think you're right, i encrypted the entire thing. the dmesg is empty
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1866 [15:48:23] <Mazhive> does rsync have a cache ??
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1868 [15:49:21] <Mazhive> i have a strange rsync problem.. it trys to copy a symlink which isn't there any more
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1873 [15:52:20] <danielh1234> nkuttler: maybe dig a bit deeper zgrep -i 'read.\?only' /var/log/syslog.*.gz
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1876 [15:53:28] <danielh1234> Mazhive: so you copy A to B, neither has that symlink and it gets created on B?
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1882 [15:55:11] <asmo_> hello, it says "segmentation fault", idk what to do :(
1883 [15:55:43] <phogg> asmo_: what says segmentation fault?
1884 [15:55:52] <Mazhive> hmm i see your point now i found it i had to delete it on both sides
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1887 [15:56:45] <danielh1234> asmo_: What _were_ you doing when that happened, and what does this output: uname -a && lsb_release -d
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1890 [15:57:55] <asmo_> it says gentoo, dad installed it on my computer
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1895 [15:59:13] <danielh1234> asmo_: for Gentoo problems, you will find better help in #gentoo, type /join #gentoo
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1898 [15:59:38] <asmo_> ok thx
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1925 [16:13:19] <tomnor> I just got an update throught the graphical interface by restarting the computer
1926 [16:13:19] <tomnor>
1927 [16:13:20] <tomnor> But I did not have to enter my root password at any point
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1929 [16:13:33] <tomnor> Linux fliptop 4.9.0-3-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.9.25-1 (2017-05-02) x86_64 GNU/Linux
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1948 [16:20:23] <danielh1234> tomnor: So some window popped up and asked you to reboot to complete updates? Or did you manually start the process and expected a password prompt? Also dpkg -s unattended-upgrades
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1954 [16:23:26] <missmbob> and sudo by default remembers your password for 15 minutes. can be set to longer
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1959 [16:27:02] <tomnor> danielh1234: your first sentence is the one describing my event.
1960 [16:27:47] <tomnor> some window popped up...
1961 [16:28:15] <Bert_2> Hi, so we've been trying to debug some IO issues for some time now, but our setup makes it very hard. Basically we have a central file server which is 2 disks in mdadm raid1, on top there's LVM and on top of that there's NFS to several client servers. We're trying to find out which client (and preferably which user on that client, or which files) is causing some spikes in write IO wait. Now, it seems to be
1962 [16:28:21] <Bert_2> really really hard to decently monitor NFS in ...
1963 [16:28:24] <Bert_2> ... more detail. Does anyone have a good idea of how we should tackle this?
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1969 [16:32:29] <tomnor> missmbob: this happend shortly after a wakeup from sleep logging in as normal user, no sudo activity for a long time before.
1970 [16:32:53] <danielh1234> tomnor: what does `dpkg -s unattended-upgrades` output? Meaning: do you have software installed that automatically updates packages?
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1974 [16:35:10] <danielh1234> Bert_2: have you tried any of `apt search nfs monitor`?
1975 [16:36:04] <Bert_2> danielh1234: of course xD
1976 [16:36:37] <Bert_2> nfswatch and nfsstat and such are really not powerfull at all
1977 [16:37:07] <Bert_2> and we can't imagine the best plan here is capturing a day of pcaps and parsing them with scripts :S
1978 [16:37:10] <tomnor> danielh1234: paste.debian.net/971018
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1985 [16:39:47] <danielh1234> tomnor: that means that - unless you changed the configuration - at least some packages are updated automagically. So it is not surprising that some program notifies you and asks for a reboot.
1986 [16:40:29] <danielh1234> Bert_2: because the output does not contain the required information at all or not in directly usable form?
1987 [16:40:33] <ryzokuken> GNOME has been getting slower for me lately
1988 [16:40:54] <ryzokuken> I think installing XFCE would be my best option -- would it?
1989 [16:41:30] <ryzokuken> plus, if I just `apt install xfce4`, would that be enough?
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1991 [16:42:41] <tomnor> danielh1234: ok, I just never experienced this before. I guess probably I opted for this during the installation or something.
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1995 [16:43:15] <danielh1234> ryzokuken: replaced-url
1996 [16:43:30] <g132312> any reason the npm package was removed in stretch?
1997 [16:43:53] <ryzokuken> danielh1234, what I meant was that would just installing xfce4 and using it would suffice?
1998 [16:44:10] <ryzokuken> or do I need to do sth else to make my computer faster?
1999 [16:44:21] <ryzokuken> do I need to make a new clean installation?
2000 [16:44:25] <danielh1234> tomnor: afaik not all updates are marked as requiring a reboot. So maybe past updates just updated those packages.
2001 [16:45:05] <tomnor> when graphical windos suggest updates, one can see in details the license for a program
2002 [16:45:21] <tomnor> and it links to for example: replaced-url
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2005 [16:45:48] <tomnor> I find it a bit confusing that that page state it's deprecated
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2009 [16:47:00] <gtcknef> +Zarthus well, we started selling child porn <=====quote from #atheme...look into this..replaced-url
2010 [16:47:00] <gtcknef> +Zarthus well, we started selling child porn <=====quote from #atheme...look into this..replaced-url
2011 [16:47:00] <gtcknef> +Zarthus well, we started selling child porn <=====quote from #atheme...look into this..replaced-url
2012 [16:47:00] <gtcknef> +Zarthus well, we started selling child porn <=====quote from #atheme...look into this..replaced-url
2013 [16:47:00] <gtcknef> +Zarthus well, we started selling child porn <=====quote from #atheme...look into this..replaced-url
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2015 [16:47:07] <Yugidude1> gfdi
2016 [16:47:18] <g132312> ?
2017 [16:47:25] <jolt> Sometimes spam happens
2018 [16:47:26] <NoRm4nD> ??
2019 [16:47:34] <danielh1234> ryzokuken: What you need to make it faster depends on what makes it slow. Did you install new packages or enable services lately? Assuming Gnome did not really get slower there has to be another cause. Getting rid of whatever problem makes Gnome slower would probably be better than just switching to a more lightweight DE.
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2024 [16:48:22] <ryzokuken> danielh1234, Umm, I started using hexchat which is now persistently open in the background
2025 [16:48:35] <ryzokuken> + firefox is always running with atleast 5 tabs
2026 [16:48:49] <ryzokuken> my system is somewhat low spec (only 4 gigs of RAM)
2027 [16:49:20] <ryzokuken> maybe these applications take up too much of my system resources?
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2031 [16:50:45] <Bert_2> danielh1234: nfswatch show network stats and how many operations are performed, that doesn't tell you much about what could cause write IO wait, no way to list what operations are taking long, or even just a list of writes, we could use the source limitation to see which server is causing a lot of commands, but that would be a wild guess cause number of commands doesn't say anything about performance. nfsst
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2033 [16:50:51] <Bert_2> at is basically the same. And there isn't much ...
2034 [16:50:54] <Bert_2> ... more out there that is NFS-aware
2035 [16:50:59] <ryzokuken> currently, 64% of my RAM is under use with just firefox and hexchat open
2036 [16:51:07] <ryzokuken> that seems too much
2037 [16:51:29] <ryzokuken> especially when I run Atom + a few terminal sessions + one/two node servers
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2039 [16:52:52] <danielh1234> ryzokuken: could be anything from hardware problems to processes hogging cpu / disk time. As for RAM 'usage' I assume you are aware of replaced-url
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2041 [16:53:26] <ryzokuken> I am not. I will look it up.
2042 [16:53:56] <ryzokuken> Oh, so that means maybe that much RAM is not being used?
2043 [16:54:00] <ryzokuken> that's a relief
2044 [16:54:03] <spacebug^> ryzokuken: are you checking that 64% with top or free?
2045 [16:54:34] <ryzokuken> spacebug^, GNOME's inbuilt "System Monitor"
2046 [16:54:45] <ryzokuken> feels a lot like top/htop
2047 [16:54:57] <spacebug^> yeah
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2049 [16:55:21] <g132312> any reason there's no npm in debian stretch?
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2051 [16:56:07] <ryzokuken> g132312, idk, use nvm and you'd probably be better off
2052 [16:56:16] <ryzokuken> or maybe use the nodesource repo?
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2054 [16:56:38] <ryzokuken> I use yarn, and they take nodejs from the official reps/nodesource
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2056 [16:57:47] <danielh1234> Bert_2: Assuming the load is not constant, does correlating the time of write time spikes and heavy access (e.g. as in number of commands) from nsfwatch sound feasible?
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2060 [16:58:52] <g132312> ryzokuken: thanks thats what im going to do now
2061 [16:58:56] <g132312> oh or not
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2068 [17:01:45] <Bert_2> danielh1234: we have not tried that yet, we were hoping that there would be a tool for that instead of us having to do it ourselves
2069 [17:02:15] <Bert_2> we were sorta confused how there's tools for everything on linux but not really for good performance monitoring and debugging on NFS :P
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2076 [17:06:05] <ryzokuken> running xfce now, cannot find option to enable touchpad tap to clikc
2077 [17:06:17] <ryzokuken> click**
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2091 [17:13:15] <danielh1234> ryzokuken: I use `xinput set-prop 'SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad' "Synaptics Tap Action" 0, 0, 0, 0, 1, 2, 3` which is left-middle-right for 1-2-3 fingers. The 0s are corner taps. See ftp://replaced-url
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2093 [17:13:42] <ryzokuken> danielh1234, no xinput
2094 [17:13:51] <ryzokuken> apt-get install xinput should work?
2095 [17:14:09] <danielh1234> yes
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2098 [17:15:03] <ryzokuken> also, what's the diff b/w apt and apt-get? Which one should I prefer?
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2104 [17:16:38] <BluesKaj> ryzokuken, no diff really, it's your choice
2105 [17:16:41] <danielh1234> For scripts apt-get, for interactive use apt is shorter and combines apt-get and apt-cache etc. functionality.
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2108 [17:18:53] <ryzokuken> danielh1234, | ➜ ~ xinput set-prop 12 287 1 | ➜ ~ xinput set-prop 12 277 1 | works for me
2109 [17:19:25] <ryzokuken> but 278 is the default property for 277 property
2110 [17:19:35] <ryzokuken> i cannot turn it on, I get an error messafe
2111 [17:19:39] <ryzokuken> message**
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2122 [17:30:28] <danielh1234> ryzokuken: I'm afraid I don't understand what is the default for what and why that is a problem. Also try using device names as the numbers may change, especially with updates or when starting with more/less devices.
2123 [17:31:02] <ryzokuken> basically the 277 property is for tap to click
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2127 [17:32:37] <ryzokuken> and in list-props 278 shows up under a similar name. It says, "Tap to click (default)"
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2130 [17:33:27] <ryzokuken> I think turning this one to 1 (its currently set to 0) will automatically turn the property on for every bootup.
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2133 [17:35:17] <nix64bit> any good touchscreen setups for debian? I am on raspeberrypi
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2136 [17:36:54] <dob1> it's there an alternative to xrdp or vnc to get a remote desktop ?
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2140 [17:39:05] <BluesKaj> nix64bit, not on raspbian?
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2143 [17:39:43] <danielh1234> ryzokuken: I am skeptical as to the at every boot part, (default) may just mark the driver default which can not be modified. But if the option without (default) works that solves your problem, right?
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2145 [17:39:48] <nix64bit> BluesKaj: actually on raspbx
2146 [17:40:03] <nix64bit> but its the same issue
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2148 [17:40:07] <ryzokuken> danielh1234, yes.
2149 [17:40:16] <ryzokuken> i will probably add these two commands to autostart
2150 [17:40:21] <ryzokuken> does that sound okay?
2151 [17:41:42] <jolt> dob1: replaced-url
2152 [17:41:46] <danielh1234> dob1: well, you could foward your local X server. This means that killing the connection mid-session or connecting to an existing one is not an option. What's wrong with xrdp?
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2155 [17:42:30] <dob1> danielh1234, the one on jessie is very slow, and the one in backports is bugged
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2157 [17:42:40] <roccopro> ciao
2158 [17:42:49] <roccopro> ?list
2159 [17:42:53] <dob1> (the one in backports is the new versin, really fast)
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2162 [17:43:36] <danielh1234> ryzokuken: either that or try adding it in your xorg.conf.
2163 [17:43:42] <ryzokuken> okay.
2164 [17:43:44] <ryzokuken> thanks.
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2171 [17:45:57] <danielh1234> dob1: in what way bugged? I recently asked myself the same question, tried vnc, rdp, remote X and stuck to (x)rdp which works nicely for me. Even sound + file transfer.
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2173 [17:46:17] <BluesKaj> nix64bit, think #raspbian chat may have some answers ...you might have a long wait for one here
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2176 [17:47:19] <BluesKaj> nix64bit, or even #raspberrypi
2177 [17:47:25] <dob1> danielh1234, from what i saw: it doesn't start at boot, xrdp-sesman fails to create the pid file
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2184 [17:48:28] <danielh1234> dob1: what is the exact error message? did you find an existing bug report? could you reproduce this on a fresh install / another system?
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2188 [17:49:19] <dob1> danielh1234, now i have the old one installed, consider that i am using it on a vpn so it's not in local network and it's slow
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2200 [17:54:35] <jasonwc> I'm having an issue in Debian Stretch where waking my machine from standby after a period of time results in only my secondary monitor waking up. I have to log out and back in for the primary monitor to display. I am using the nvidia-drver package (GTX 1070) and the impacted monitor is a GSync capable Acer Predator (runs at 144Hz with GSync enabled). I'm not sure if this is a Gnome or an Nvidia issue. Anyone know of a workaround?
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2203 [17:57:56] <xylog> I am trying to update to the latest Debian stable release which I see is 8.8, but when I do lsb_release it says I am on 8.5
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2205 [17:58:30] <xylog> I have done apt update and apt update and it seems to run fine but I cannot get to 8.8
2206 [17:58:47] <jasonwc> you mean apt-get update && apt-get upgrade?
2207 [17:59:10] <jasonwc> what about apt-get dist-upgrade?
2208 [17:59:25] <xylog> Tried that too
2209 [17:59:25] <nkuttler> xylog: you should probably read replaced-url
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2212 [17:59:53] <xylog> nkuttler: Will do
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2215 [18:00:15] <xylog> Is lsb_release -a an accurate reflection of my subversion?
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2217 [18:00:36] <nkuttler> xylog: i'd go with cat /etc/debian_version
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2219 [18:00:58] <nkuttler> not sure how lsb works in detail, but i think the info is in some lsb* packages
2220 [18:01:03] <xylog> Yeah that says 8.5, thanks
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2226 [18:04:34] <xylog> I think I found the problem, missing lines from my /etc/apt/sources-list
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2245 [18:13:55] <xylog> what is the best way to install openjdk-8 on jessie?
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2252 [18:17:06] <bub_> xylog: check out the packages by 'apt-cache search openjdk-8'
2253 [18:17:34] <danielh1234> use backports
2254 [18:17:47] <xylog> danielh1234: ok thanx I will try that!
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2299 [18:39:17] <wr> replaced-url
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2309 [18:51:07] <danielh1234> wr: apt-cache policy flashplugin-nonfree
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2343 [19:08:55] <frostie_> when i try to backport handbrake to debian 8 jessie x64 the terminal gives: replaced-url
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2351 [19:11:49] <glick> hi
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2353 [19:12:06] <glick> does the wxpython package for stretch support python3
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2356 [19:15:19] <BluesKaj> blitzed, check your package manager for details
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2359 [19:15:43] <BluesKaj> oops , glick^
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2371 [19:18:49] <teraflops> glick: which package exactly are you talking about?
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2384 [19:25:06] <frostie_> in the last line it says: ./libhb/hb_dict.h:13:21: fatal error: jansson.h: The file or directory is not available. but i have installed jansson...
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2386 [19:25:41] <danielh1234> frostie_: also libjansson-dev?
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2392 [19:27:06] <frostie_> oops looks like ive forgot it, i'll just installed it now from synaptic and i'll se how it goes
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2394 [19:27:39] <Waxhead> is there a reason the usrmerge package is removed from stretch ?
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2403 [19:28:49] <marianna> Hi!
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2406 [19:29:04] <marianna> I have burnt a live debian cd standard
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2408 [19:29:22] <marianna> and I'm trying to copy some files from the computer hd
2409 [19:29:29] <marianna> to the usb stick
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2411 [19:30:37] <marianna> and a message prompts 'cp: cannot create directory "/media/usb0/hello": Operation not permitterd'
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2413 [19:31:25] <frostie_> danielh1234 that was the issue i had not installed libjansson-dev, after installing it it worked thanks
2414 [19:31:37] <localhost_> okay got an error replaced-url
2415 [19:31:51] <localhost_> wtf is that about :)
2416 [19:32:07] <mtn> marianna: research making a usb with persistance
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2418 [19:32:30] <danielh1234> marianna: `chmod 777 /media/usb0` or `chown youruser /media/usb0` if you have a fancy filesystem like ext4 on the usb stick.
2419 [19:33:00] <marianna> ah, maybe its a ntfs
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2441 [19:37:44] <mint> why in debian i need install packet for use wireless and in ubuntu that is debian-based and use too packet i dont need?
2442 [19:38:26] <Waxhead> mint: because Debian is based on free software UNLESS you opt in for the non-free repo.
2443 [19:38:29] <AlexLikeRock> because FREEDOM
2444 [19:38:34] <Waxhead> yay!
2445 [19:38:54] <mint> hmm
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2448 [19:39:12] <AlexLikeRock> Debian <3 FreeSoftware (fundation)
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2450 [19:39:22] <Waxhead> mint: besides Ubunty rymes on you-can't-you so there :P
2451 [19:39:35] <Waxhead> *Ubuntu
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2455 [19:40:32] <mint> thanks
2456 [19:40:43] <AlexLikeRock> mint, replaced-url
2457 [19:40:51] <AlexLikeRock> take alitle read
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2463 [19:43:38] <AlexLikeRock> mint, if you dont like READ , whatch the video replaced-url
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2505 [20:05:04] <AlexLikeRock> and SYSTEMD it not freesoftware
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2514 [20:08:46] <teraflops> AlexLikeRock: really? youre too old for this shit
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2521 [20:09:23] <AlexLikeRock> Freesoftware never past of fame ;-)
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2524 [20:10:41] <teraflops> AlexLikeRock: I was talking about the rants, and keeping ontopic, btw I do no see systemd in nonfree repos^
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2529 [20:11:01] <teraflops> not^
2530 [20:11:26] <AlexLikeRock> in LOGs, its non -free
2531 [20:11:31] <AlexLikeRock> binari ..!
2532 [20:11:40] <AlexLikeRock> must can reable
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2536 [20:12:38] <vadimkolchev> Hi all. Just a quick question, as I haven't found good working answer on it anywhere. Any mean of preventing screensaver from coming on while watching videos in Firefox?
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2538 [20:13:51] <teraflops> vadimkolchev: it's about your DE/WM not firefox
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2544 [20:18:01] <vadimkolchev> teraflops, using MATE
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2564 [20:33:33] <teraflops> vadimkolchev: idk about mate. e.g gnome has an extension for disabling screen going to sleep
2565 [20:34:16] <ben__> hey
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2567 [20:34:29] * AlexLikeRock use mate too
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2620 [21:02:58] <HostingIT> Hey use my provider replaced-url
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2675 [21:39:12] <chrissl`> /list
2676 [21:39:31] <AlexLikeRock> me
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2679 [21:39:32] <AlexLikeRock> you
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2681 [21:39:42] <buu> Can anyone think of a reason replaced-url
2682 [21:39:42] <AlexLikeRock> and debian
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2690 [21:46:31] <danielh1234> buu: yes: when there are no drivers / firmware for it. Try google with the adapter name and 'linux' / 'debian' etc. and if in doubt buy one with explicit linux support which works on Linux according to forums
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2703 [21:58:09] <strk> what is squeeze ?
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2705 [21:58:21] <strk> dpkg is away... what I really want to know is the date it reaced EOL
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2708 [21:59:11] <lendo> strk: replaced-url
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2744 [22:14:47] <francine> Hello
2745 [22:15:08] <francine> Is it possible to use TPM 2.0? And if yes, how?
2746 [22:16:27] <teraflops> ,v tpm2-tools
2747 [22:16:28] <judd> Package: tpm2-tools on amd64 -- sid: 1.1-1
2748 [22:17:02] <francine> teraflops: Yeah, already noticed that, but it doesn't help me if the kernel doesn't have TPM (maybe it's not compiled in?)
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2752 [22:17:46] <Nothing4You> i'm trying to install debian via netiso on a new machine
2753 [22:17:49] <teraflops> oh, no idea I was curious if debian had it
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2755 [22:18:28] <Nothing4You> due to the way the network is set up i don't use dhcp, the machines subnet is /32 and the gateway is not in the same subnet
2756 [22:18:44] <francine> teraflops: iirc jessie (kernel 3.16) have the TPM modules, but not 2.0 support, and stretch (kernel 4.9) have it or not, even the kernel developers are unsure :(
2757 [22:18:58] <Nothing4You> on my other machines i have it set up as pointopoint via /etc/network/interfaces, however, the installer fails saying i have an invalid network configuration
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2759 [22:19:25] <Nothing4You> i configured it manually via "execute shell", however, now the setup is blocking some steps because i haven't completed network setup yet
2760 [22:19:48] <francine> Nothing4You: You might check your DHCP, allocating a /32 netmask doesn't sounds normal for a DHCP server, unless you have a weird NAT configuration
2761 [22:19:59] <Nothing4You> as i said, i don't have dhcp
2762 [22:20:18] <Nothing4You> it's a single ip assigned by a hosting provider
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2764 [22:20:35] <teraflops> francine: are you in stretch? zless/grep /proc/config.gz maybe you get some clue
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2767 [22:20:54] <francine> Nothing4You: You might want to ask your hosting provider what the correct IP informations like address, netmask, and gateway are
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2772 [22:21:50] <Nothing4You> it's a virtualized environment where i'm routing a single ip to a vm
2773 [22:21:50] <francine> Nothing4You: Because /32 means a single IP address we can't really help you by resolving your issue
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2775 [22:22:09] <Nothing4You> francine: i have several machines set up the same way working fine
2776 [22:22:18] <francine> teraflops: Yes
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2778 [22:22:22] <Nothing4You> the only difference was that i had a nat interface during setup for those
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2780 [22:22:42] <francine> Then you need a NAT (again)
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2782 [22:22:49] <Nothing4You> i removed the nat later
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2784 [22:22:53] <Nothing4You> after configuring it manually
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2786 [22:23:27] <Nothing4You> replaced-url
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2789 [22:24:53] <francine> brb
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2801 [22:30:22] <Nothing4You> if i reproduce that with the ips for the other vm but otherwise the same format using `ip addr add` and `ip route add` via shell it works just fine
2802 [22:30:22] <Nothing4You> just the interface ist blocking
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2826 [22:44:08] <zoomm10> hello, my sd disk is 32G, fdisk find it 2 Tib....what happened? Disk /dev/sdd: 2 TiB, 2195571867648 bytes, 4288226304 sectors
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2847 [22:50:44] <gry> hi, i have no sound in headphone, only in speakers. i checked alsamixer, it looks like this (enabling/disabling auto-mute makes no difference),
2848 [22:50:55] <gry> replaced-url
2849 [22:51:30] <Nothing4You> francine: do you still disagree with my network config?
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2897 [23:12:59] <Anon1337_> Hi, I'm trying to install the Stretch RC4 iso to HP EliteBook 725 G2 (AMD A10 Pro-7350B, AMD Radeon R6 which is essentially the FX-7500) and when I boot the GRUB is ok but everything after that is all gibberish and wild stripes. I've tried external monitor (DispalyPort) and changing the vga= parameter and nomodeset but so far no luck. Any ideas? (Both with and without firmware ISOs tried.)
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2899 [23:13:21] <francine> Nothing4You: no
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2901 [23:13:27] <francine> And I never did
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2906 [23:15:51] <Anon1337_> Is it possible that the iso is choosing a wrong gpu firmware or something?
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2908 [23:17:03] <Nothing4You> francine: then what is your point?
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2912 [23:19:59] <francine> Anon1337_: yes
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2914 [23:20:37] <Anon1337_> francine: can I force it to load the right firmware? and how will this affect the OS after installation?
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2922 [23:23:50] <egrain> how do i find out if i'm using dhcp or not? systemctl status dhcpcd gives me: inactive. systemctl status systemd-networkd give me: inactive. any other network managers i do'nt know about?
2923 [23:23:53] <Anon1337_> francine: BTW I've previously used Fedora 24 on it and that one worked from day one. With even older mesa and kernel versions than this Stretch iso...
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2946 [23:37:52] <Anon1337_> so nobody has any idea how to fix this hell? doesnt the iso have some kind of fallback when even nomodeset fails?
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2953 [23:42:37] <Anon1337_> ok, so it seems that the Stretch EFI file doesnt work. Is that a bug? Is it supposed to not work? Anybody knows?
2954 [23:43:00] <jelly> Anon1337_: it's possible iso has no firmware at all and your graphic card requires it.
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2956 [23:43:23] <Anon1337_> jelly: Even the non-free iso? Why is it EFI only problem then?
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2960 [23:44:34] <jelly> Anon1337_: maybe, which installer image did you use
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2966 [23:46:23] <Guest40722> jelly: the stretch RC 4 iso (both free and non-free) and the latest non-free weekly build
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2972 [23:48:54] <jelly> alright then
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2974 [23:49:39] <Guest40722> jelly: so it's a bug? Or is the efi supposed to be this buggy?
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2991 [23:55:24] <ephemer0l> anyone use quassel?
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2995 [23:56:39] <ephemer0l> .deb should fix this replaced-url
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