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this is #debian an IRC -Channel at freenode (freenode IRC service closed 2021-06-01)
0 [00:00:07] <AlexPortable> n-st: no, it always happens during a netsplit, becasue people rejoin or change their name quickly
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27 [00:09:23] <peixoto> hello there
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33 [00:10:38] <peixoto> tell me, i saved a txt file with my list of softwares installed with a command, in order to use another command to install automatically these programs on my new fresh install, but i don't remember the command and where to find it. can you help me with this? thank you.
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35 [00:11:43] <Eduard_Munteanu> dpkg, selections
36 [00:12:00] <Eduard_Munteanu> I forget how to use the bot.
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41 [00:13:09] <Eduard_Munteanu> peixoto, see the "Restore installed software" section here: replaced-url
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45 [00:14:59] <peixoto> ok, thanks Eduard_Munteanu
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49 [00:15:17] <AlexPortable> Would you recommend /bin/false or /usr/sbin/nologin ?
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70 [00:23:32] <Antares> Debian have in repositoris Ubuntu Studio ?
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79 [00:27:45] <ksk> Antares: did you search the repositories? replaced-url
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81 [00:28:22] <ksk> (the anwser seems to be no)
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99 [00:32:57] <oluap> test
100 [00:33:14] <oluap> someone there?
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159 [01:05:31] <foul_owl> Does anyone here use rhythmbox?
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176 [01:13:11] <nine_milli> hey, i just got a new usb backup hard drive sdb
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178 [01:13:21] <nine_milli> can someone list the steps to format and mount it?
179 [01:13:29] <nine_milli> it’s been quite a while
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194 [01:18:35] <nine_milli> nvm got it
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206 [01:27:12] <AlexPortable> Would you recommend /bin/false or /usr/sbin/nologin ?
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220 [01:34:32] <larvallid> Atm0spher1c, hi, you worked with me one week ago trying to stop my RTL8821AE wifi from disconnecting. i was busy because of school work. i'm ready to start troubleshooting now. i currently have debian 9 RC4 installed with minimal modifications to the system.
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236 [01:38:45] <larvallid> can anyone else help me with wifi? after a while of being connected to wifi network, realtek RTL8821AE connection indicator reads "connected" but i cannot send any data.
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239 [01:39:01] <glick> hi, how can i install the debian info files?
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241 [01:39:06] <AlexPortable> glick: info files?
242 [01:39:14] <glick> do i really need to activeate the non free repo?
243 [01:39:18] <AlexPortable> larvallid: I don't know the details but are you sure your AP isn't broken?
244 [01:39:18] <Atm0spher1c> larvallid, what DE?
245 [01:39:22] <glick> yeah AlexPortable
246 [01:39:44] <AlexPortable> glick: what are info files
247 [01:40:10] <larvallid> Atm0spher1c, GNOME, which comes with debian 8 and 9. with the network-manager component.
248 [01:40:25] <Atm0spher1c> did you install firmware-realtek?
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251 [01:41:22] <Atm0spher1c> larvallid, also as AlexPortable said, are you sure your AP isn't broken. Other devices stay connected?
252 [01:41:46] <larvallid> AlexPortable, by AP, do you mean the realtek wifi card? if so, the same problem has occurred on windows. but unlike linux, i can simply turn airplane mode on, then off, and wifi will work again. eventually the problem was solved, probably by an update. if by AP you mean router, no other devices connected to same router have a problem.
253 [01:41:47] <Atm0spher1c> glick, are you talking about info package? apt install info
254 [01:42:07] <Atm0spher1c> larvallid, access point, wifi router
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258 [01:42:51] <AlexPortable> Airplane mode on and off in windows will most likely switch the adapter on and off (to save battery)
259 [01:42:56] <larvallid> AlexPortable, Atm0spher1c, in fact, the same problem occurs at my school. the disconnects occur on networks that use personal, enterprise, none (open) security.
260 [01:42:59] <AlexPortable> In linux there is no such thing
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262 [01:43:16] <larvallid> AlexPortable, so the adapter just stays on all the time?
263 [01:43:23] <AlexPortable> I think yes
264 [01:43:56] <larvallid> AlexPortable, and it might help to mention: on windows, when the disconnect occurs, some applications like google chrome will stop responding until airplane mode is turned on.
265 [01:44:04] <AlexPortable> So the problem is there only with WPA2, and only there on a network without authentication?
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271 [01:45:14] <larvallid> AlexPortable, no, the problem exists with every type of encryption, including on an open network.
272 [01:45:21] <Atm0spher1c> larvallid, you can still turn off the wifi aka airplane mode
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274 [01:45:47] <AlexPortable> Atm0spher1c: I think that's just rfkill, and not actually disconnecting the adapter (which i suspect windows does)
275 [01:45:49] <Atm0spher1c> larvallid, maybe the wifi card is bad?
276 [01:45:58] <Atm0spher1c> if the problem happens in windows as well
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278 [01:46:15] <larvallid> Atm0spher1c, is a failing wifi card a common thing? is there a way to test it?
279 [01:46:24] <Atm0spher1c> AlexPortable, is rfkill different than - ifdown wlan0?
280 [01:46:31] <Atm0spher1c> or ip link set wlan0 down
281 [01:46:35] <AlexPortable> yes
282 [01:46:35] <larvallid> AlexPortable, do you know how i can disconnect the adapter, as you said, on linux?
283 [01:47:22] <Atm0spher1c> it sounds like it might be failing.
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285 [01:47:26] <AlexPortable> replaced-url
286 [01:47:49] <Atm0spher1c> although i had a machine once that i thought had a failed wifi card ( using windows )
287 [01:47:52] <AlexPortable> Atm0spher1c: also you can't enable an interface once it's being blocked by rfkill
288 [01:48:04] <Atm0spher1c> years later i booted with debian and the card worked fine
289 [01:48:27] <Atm0spher1c> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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294 [01:51:38] <larvallid> Atm0spher1c, AlexPortable, also, strange stuff i need to ask. based on my knowledge, free firmware for realtek adapters do not exist. and, the official debian images don't contain nonfree software. when i installed debian 8, the card did not work out of the box, and i had to install firwmare-realtek 0.43 (which resulted in a slow link speed) or lwfinger's rtlwifi_new (which allowed a fast link speed). on debian 9 RC4,
295 [01:51:38] <larvallid> the wifi worked out of the box without any system modifications. do you know why this is?
296 [01:52:20] <Atm0spher1c> seems rfkill is kernel software switch
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298 [01:52:25] <larvallid> someone did mention that hardware can supply its own firmware/microcode, and since debian 9 uses linux kernel 4.9.0, the new kernel is able to pick up the firmware/microcode
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301 [01:53:09] <larvallid> Atm0spher1c, there is a hardware switch (FN+F2 keys) which i can use.
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307 [01:54:33] <Atm0spher1c> larvallid, so you have debian 9 (stretch), and added non-free to sources.list and installed firmware-realtek, correct?
308 [01:54:53] <Atm0spher1c> or you installed lwfinger's package again?
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317 [01:57:36] <larvallid> Atm0spher1c, no, as i have said, i have not made any system modifications except to install IDLE (python IDE) which i needed to work on school work.
318 [01:58:17] <Atm0spher1c> larvallid, so add non-free to sources, update, and install firmware-realtek
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323 [01:59:48] <larvallid> Atm0spher1c, first i want to check what firmware is currently installed. how can i do that? and note that when i power on the system, it says "failed to load firmware rtl8821ae_fw.bin" or something like that.
324 [02:00:08] <Atm0spher1c> because you didn't install firmware-realtek
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326 [02:00:16] <Atm0spher1c> so it failed
327 [02:00:25] <Atm0spher1c> kernel sees the device i believe
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330 [02:01:04] <larvallid> Atm0spher1c, kernel sees the realtek adapter and it's able to connect to wifi networks (although with disconnects). does that mean someone has reverse engineered realtek hardware?
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333 [02:01:26] <Atm0spher1c> larvallid, maybe they are slowly adding things, not sure
334 [02:01:43] <Atm0spher1c> but seems it wont work otherwise, that's why the non free package is provided
335 [02:04:03] <larvallid> Atm0spher1c, is there any possibility that a nonfree driver somehow found its way into upstream code? i ask because the disconnections occur more often with firmware-realtek 0.43 (which is written by realtek) than lwfinger rtlwifi_new
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337 [02:04:26] <Atm0spher1c> larvallid, 0.43 is very old
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340 [02:04:58] <larvallid> now adding nonfree, updating, and installing...
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343 [02:05:53] <Atm0spher1c> larvallid, okay. note: line should read non-free
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346 [02:06:16] <larvallid> Atm0spher1c, yeah i checked with the wiki and realized that. thanks for pointing it out.
347 [02:06:24] <Atm0spher1c> great
348 [02:06:36] <Atm0spher1c> thanks for reading wiki :)
349 [02:07:21] <foul_owl> Does anyone here use rhythmbox?
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351 [02:08:41] <larvallid> Atm0spher1c, the bug /just/ occurred while running "apt-get update". for a few seconds, the wifi status indicator became a white square and the text which usually reads "Not connected" or the name of the wifi network became blank. a few seconds later, it went back to normal. and a few seconds later, it became a white square and blank text again. then, to "Not connected", and back to normal icon and text now. however,
352 [02:08:41] <larvallid> all traffic and pings don't go through! (this is on debian 9 rc4!)
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355 [02:09:20] <Atm0spher1c> how did you install? can you connect with ethernet?
356 [02:09:23] <larvallid> Atm0spher1c, ping got stuck for a while, but i left it sitting there. now it's repeatedly saying "ping: sendmsg: No buffer space available"
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358 [02:09:37] <larvallid> does the buffer space thing tell you anything about it?
359 [02:09:50] <Atm0spher1c> yeah, that's not very reliable
360 [02:09:54] <Atm0spher1c> :D
361 [02:10:54] <Atm0spher1c> otherwise download the package on another machine. then dpkg -i package.deb
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364 [02:12:30] <xp_> My Jessie box no longer connects to the internet. I've searched the web and all I could find was uber complicated kernel stuff I did not messed with. Can somebody give a pointer?
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366 [02:12:41] <larvallid> i'm going to reboot, turn off wifi in network-manager, and use ethernet
367 [02:12:51] <xp_> It's all over the place: via-rhine 0000:00:08.0 eth0: Transmit timed out, ststus ffff, PHY status fff, reseting...
368 [02:12:53] <xp_> via-rhine 0000:00:08.0 eth0: Reset not complete yet. Trying harder
369 [02:12:54] <Atm0spher1c> larvallid, okay
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372 [02:13:18] <VentGrey> Hello world
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374 [02:13:40] <VentGrey> Is anyone here using Debian Stretch with a Gnome-based desktop?
375 [02:13:58] <Atm0spher1c> xp_, it no longer connects? what changed?
376 [02:15:07] <xp_> Atm0spher1c: Nothing, really. This is a headless system that I don't use very often. Today I turned it on and it didn't respond to SSH request. Connected a screen an got this surprize
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382 [02:17:00] <xp_> Atm0spher1c: During boot I got to see in the kernel messages something similar to what it shows when it panics
383 [02:17:04] <Atm0spher1c> xp_, headless vm? some pointers - try ping, sudo ss -aptun | column -t, resolv.conf, /etc/network/interfaces, check that ssh is running.
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388 [02:18:16] <xp_> Atm0spher1c: 'vm' as in 'Virtual Machine'? No, it's a physical computer on the local network
389 [02:18:23] <xp_> Atm0spher1c: Ping fails, from it and to it
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391 [02:18:42] <larvallid> Atm0spher1c, done. i've disabled wifi and bluetooth, updated, and installed firmware-realtek. it updated the initial ramdisk. no errors. reboot now?
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395 [02:20:03] <Atm0spher1c> larvallid, honestly, i think you can try to run it, but i don't use gnome, and do things more low level. If it doesnt work, sure, reboot.
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398 [02:20:56] <larvallid> ok, now turning on wifi and connecting to network through network-manager.
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402 [02:21:44] <Saar> just reboot, fixes 90% of problems ;-)
403 [02:21:48] <Atm0spher1c> xp_, look at ip a, or ifconfig, does the device get an ip? is the network up? you're not running xorg are you?
404 [02:22:15] <Atm0spher1c> xp_, replaced-url
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406 [02:22:39] <xp_> "sudo ss -aptun | column -t" says something about port 22. sshd, LISTEN
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408 [02:23:07] <Atm0spher1c> xp_, yeah so looks like ssh is running. sudo service ssh status also helps
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412 [02:24:47] <xp_> Atm0spher1c: sudo service ssh status says it's running
413 [02:25:39] <Atm0spher1c> okay, make sure the network is up, ethernet is plugged in and all that. wiki is helpful too
414 [02:26:08] <larvallid> problem occurs exactly as described before installing firmware-realtek. now rebooting and testing some more.
415 [02:26:28] <xp_> Atm0spher1c: ifconfig says "addr:192.168.1.4"
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418 [02:27:18] <Atm0spher1c> xp_, what DE?
419 [02:27:43] <xp_> Atm0spher1c: No Desktop Enviroment, headless Debian Jessie
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422 [02:28:36] <xp_> Atm0spher1c: The cable is plugged
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425 [02:29:22] <Atm0spher1c> xp_, okay, pastebin these - ip a, dmesg | grep -i YOUR_DEVICE_HERE, cat /etc/network/interfaces, cat /etc/resolv.conf
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427 [02:29:42] <xp_> Atm0spher1c: Would the device be "eth0"?
428 [02:29:54] <dirac1> why people from usa watch WWE?.
429 [02:30:05] <dirac1> Wront chat, my bad.
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433 [02:31:25] <Atm0spher1c> xp_, maybe, the device that should be getting the ip address
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451 [02:39:22] <xp_> dmesg: replaced-url
452 [02:39:24] <xp_> ip: replaced-url
453 [02:39:26] <xp_> resolv.conf: "nameserver 192.168.1.1"
454 [02:39:36] <xp_> Atm0spher1c: Here it is ^
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456 [02:40:46] <xp_> Atm0spher1c: I've forgotten interfaces. I'll go grab it
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461 [02:41:22] <Atm0spher1c> xp_, sudo ifdown eth0
462 [02:41:27] <Atm0spher1c> xp_, sudo ifup eth0
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464 [02:41:39] <Atm0spher1c> try to ping
465 [02:42:04] <xp_> Atm0spher1c: sudo ifdown eth0 says nothing
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468 [02:42:14] <Atm0spher1c> xp_, okay keep going
469 [02:42:26] <xp_> sudo ifup eth0 says the line you got on dmesg
470 [02:42:41] <xp_> "eth0: Reset not complete yet. Trying harder"
471 [02:43:01] <xp_> via-rhine 0000:00:08.0 before all that
472 [02:43:02] <larvallid> Atm0spher1c, rebooted. network disconnects almost immediately after loading a few webpages, but icon and status text remain as if it was still connected. ping says "From <laptop's internal ip> icmp_seq=1 Destination Host Unreachable". wifi works again if i turn it off and on in network-manager. (the on/off slider takes a long time to respond after clicking, and it takes a long time to turn the adapter off.)
473 [02:43:02] <larvallid> network-manager crashed and restarted once. the shortcut for network-manager has disappeared from the upper-right corner menu but wifi still works after turning the switch off and on.
474 [02:43:21] <Atm0spher1c> xp_, okay, look at interfaces. also have you tried to reboot, just wondering if anything changes?
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476 [02:43:42] <nine_milli> .
477 [02:43:43] <Atm0spher1c> larvallid, strange. so it work good now?
478 [02:44:07] <Atm0spher1c> the wifi that is
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481 [02:44:59] <larvallid> Atm0spher1c, no, it's working worse than on debian 8. as i said, it disconnects after a few webpages. it'll work again after i toggle the network-manager switch off and then on. this isn't practical.
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483 [02:46:14] <Atm0spher1c> larvallid, what is dmesg telling you now?
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485 [02:47:28] <lxtemp> hi, I'm trying to decide whether to go with debian testing or ubuntu for my desktop. I do have some linux experience, but I prefer when things just work, but I also don't want to wait forever for new software versions. Are there any major things I should be aware of when I decide?
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488 [02:48:41] <xp_> Atm0spher1c: Seems like I've ovewritten /etc/network/interfaces while trying to get its contents. Oops
489 [02:48:49] <xp_> Rebooting did no good
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491 [02:49:24] <Atm0spher1c> lxtemp, you should know the command line well, and what to do if something breaks. If you don't run bloated DE, testing, even sid worked for me without any problems.
492 [02:49:55] <Atm0spher1c> xp_, make a new one. replaced-url
493 [02:51:17] <lxtemp> Atm0spher1c, I prefer GUI but can use the command line if necessary - I just prefer things to not break. Can I run a Debian testing system for a couple of years without reinstalling it, including when a new release is made?
494 [02:51:37] <xp_> Atm0spher1c: I had setup static IP before in this system, in case that's related to the problem
495 [02:51:38] <Atm0spher1c> lxtemp, yes, it just keeps going
496 [02:51:40] <at0m> lxtemp: if debian testing were stable, it would be stable
497 [02:52:19] <Atm0spher1c> lxtemp, what DE you run?
498 [02:52:23] <at0m> things breaking comes with the testing.
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501 [02:52:37] <Atm0spher1c> xp_, probably not, that wiki will goes over static IP
502 [02:52:47] <larvallid> Atm0spher1c, there is an error about tpm_crb not being able to allocate memory, but that is probably related to the Trusted Platform Module (used by microsoft bitlocker disk encryption). near the bottom i have "gnome-control-c[1844]: segfault at l ip 000055flelc72a4c sp 00007fffb6492340 error 4 in gnome-control-center[55flelb4d000+39d000]". the last two lines are "asus_wmi: Unknown key cf pressed \n proc_thermal
503 [02:52:47] <larvallid> 0000:00:04.0: Unsupported event [0x84]"
504 [02:53:01] <lxtemp> at0m, well, I've given up on finding an operating system that actually works reasonably well (i.e. doesn't have month-to-year-old software but also doesn't break), I'm just trying to find the one that will cause me to smash the smallest number of keyboards
505 [02:53:13] <lxtemp> Atm0spher1c, probably going to go with cinnamon
506 [02:53:21] <larvallid> Atm0spher1c, i just ran dmesg again. the line with "proc_thermal" is repeated, 189 seconds later.
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508 [02:53:36] <xp_> Atm0spher1c: I suppose I'll have that in the interfaces file: replaced-url
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510 [02:53:51] <Atm0spher1c> larvallid, i mean something like - dmesg | grep -i wlan0
511 [02:53:57] <lxtemp> gnome is too bloated and gimmicky, and the more basic ones are too often majorly broken (like "can't properly drag and drop" broken)
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514 [02:54:39] <Atm0spher1c> lxtemp, In your case, I would run debian stable and testing. stable as a backup machine, or dual boot it.
515 [02:54:41] <xp_> Atm0spher1c: Do you suggest I try to swap the cable with the one on my main computer?
516 [02:55:00] <at0m> lxtemp: unexpected behaviour is broken. not meaning to have such option to drag and drop is not.
517 [02:55:06] <larvallid> Atm0spher1c, running that, the only result returned is "rtl8821ae 0000:03:00.0 wlp3s0: renamed from wlan0". (on debian 9 and ubuntu, they changed network adapters to names that are impossible to remember)
518 [02:55:30] <Atm0spher1c> lxtemp, ppl are always saying, things will break!. I ran debian testing for almost 2 years without anything going wrong. Running awesome window manager.
519 [02:56:03] <Atm0spher1c> larvallid, the device is wlp3s0 - dmesg | grep wlp3s0
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523 [02:57:11] <lxtemp> Atm0spher1c, yeah, I know. If things break once a year, I can recover - worst case I boot of some live media, create an updated one, recover my data, and nuke the box from orbit. I just don't want to spend time wrangling my OS instead of getting things done. That's the reason microsoft finally convinced me to switch to linux...
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525 [02:57:41] <Atm0spher1c> lxtemp, just look at apt logs, go into apt cache and dpkg -i oldversion.dpkg
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527 [02:58:13] <larvallid> Atm0spher1c, i will paste into #flood in a sec
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530 [02:58:32] <Atm0spher1c> lxtemp, lmao, that is why i switched from windows years ago. Dev on windows was a pia
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532 [02:58:45] <Atm0spher1c> lxtemp, having to reboot everyday, sometimes twice
533 [02:59:21] <Atm0spher1c> larvallid, no, use a pastebin
534 [02:59:30] <lxtemp> Atm0spher1c, oh no. My box reboots once or twice a month, and gets reinstalled whenever the hardware dies (that samsung has been surprisingly sturdy, must be 6 years now)
535 [02:59:53] <lxtemp> but by now that thing is reaching even my standards for "no longer usable"
536 [03:01:04] <larvallid> Atm0spher1c, replaced-url
537 [03:01:40] <xp_> Swapping cables BRB
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540 [03:04:10] <Atm0spher1c> larvallid, you're using ipv6?
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543 [03:04:43] <larvallid> Atm0spher1c, nope, completely ipv4 on LAN
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545 [03:05:04] <Dagger> if you dare suggest "disable it"...
546 [03:05:32] <Atm0spher1c> larvallid, well do some searching on what you have in those logs
547 [03:05:49] <Atm0spher1c> you'll probably have to take it from here
548 [03:06:01] <larvallid> Atm0spher1c, ok
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554 [03:09:05] <larvallid> Atm0spher1c, tomorrow i will install the proprietary OS and see if i can reproduce the problem on there. i might have to make a choice to either use nonfree or go full rms and only use ethernet... do you have any recommendations for external USB wifi adapters that work on linux?
555 [03:09:11] <Atm0spher1c> larvallid, replaced-url
556 [03:09:19] <simbalion`> upgraded to stretch and now ssh won't connect: ssh_exchange_identification: read: Connection reset by peer
557 [03:10:21] <Atm0spher1c> larvallid, also, you have wpasupplicant installed of course right?
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559 [03:10:37] <larvallid> Atm0spher1c, do i check with apt-get install wpasupplicant?
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563 [03:11:02] <Atm0spher1c> larvallid, dpkg -l | grep package is fast
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565 [03:11:10] <larvallid> checking..
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567 [03:11:51] <Atm0spher1c> larvallid, i have a micro usb edimax which is realtek and it works. honestly a lot of them are supported these days. maybe find one with free firmware
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570 [03:12:34] <lxtemp> thanks for the help, I think I'll just try both out one more time!
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572 [03:13:00] <xp_> Atm0spher1c: So I've swapped cables. In the proccess I could ping google.com for a short period of time, then it stopped working again. Ain't that interesting?
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574 [03:13:20] <larvallid> Atm0spher1c, wpasupplicant 2:2.4-1 is installed. what firmware are you using on your usb adapter?
575 [03:13:37] <Atm0spher1c> xp_, yes. sounds like it might be more than just debian
576 [03:13:58] <Atm0spher1c> larvallid, firmware-realtek of course
577 [03:14:24] <xp_> Atm0spher1c: Network adapter? Internet router?
578 [03:14:34] <larvallid> Atm0spher1c, which version of debian? and you said you don't use gnome network-manager; what do you use?
579 [03:14:50] <Atm0spher1c> xp_, no clue, i have no way to test that
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581 [03:15:33] <xp_> Atm0spher1c: Ok. Thank you for your time and patience
582 [03:15:42] <Atm0spher1c> xp_, np
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584 [03:16:25] <xp_> Atm0spher1c: Do you want me to report you my findings later?
585 [03:16:49] <simbalion`> can anyone help me with that ssh error?
586 [03:16:57] <Atm0spher1c> larvallid, I just use a window manager. I configure /etc/network/interfaces, and just do ifup interface. I used the usb wifi on jessie, and recently used it on stretch, worked great.
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588 [03:17:40] <Atm0spher1c> larvallid, or I have it connect automatically if set in the config file
589 [03:18:13] <Atm0spher1c> xp_, no thanks
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592 [03:18:17] <larvallid> Atm0spher1c, and you can use it with firefox and other programs?
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595 [03:18:49] <Atm0spher1c> larvallid, yes, once it connects, everything works
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603 [03:21:03] <Atm0spher1c> larvallid, actually use it on a pi with kodi :)
604 [03:21:07] <larvallid> Atm0spher1c, i've actually used other realtek adapters on linux and they've worked fine, and you said you're using a realtek chip. before i buy an adapter or laptop, if i know it has a realtek adapter, what's the best way to know whether it will work on linux? because it seems that some realtek adapters will work, while others won't.
605 [03:21:30] <Atm0spher1c> larvallid, reviews, searching
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607 [03:22:02] <larvallid> Atm0spher1c, ok. do i need to be wary when buying intel, ralink, or qualcomm atheros adapters? because i've heard those have good support on linux.
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609 [03:22:12] <Atm0spher1c> very often someone says "installed linux" these days
610 [03:22:59] <Atm0spher1c> I think the latest, just released stuff might often not be supported yuet
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615 [03:25:10] <larvallid> Atm0spher1c, FCC documents show the user manual for RTL8821AE came out in january 2013, and certification came out in august 2015. how slow is linux hardware support?
616 [03:25:31] <Atm0spher1c> lol, honestly, maybe the thing is failing?
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618 [03:25:52] <Atm0spher1c> or if you dig more, you might find solution, maybe some bad bug.
619 [03:26:33] <larvallid> is there a way to test whether it's failing? (i can install a proprietary OS if necessary)
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621 [03:26:50] <Atm0spher1c> larvallid, firmware-realtek includes firmware for 8821AE
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625 [03:27:51] <Atm0spher1c> buy the same exact card? that'll be the test :)
626 [03:29:18] <Atm0spher1c> is it old? you mentioned windows had the same problem, so...
627 [03:29:21] <simbalion`> can anyone help me with that ssh error?
628 [03:29:48] <Atm0spher1c> simbalion`, what ssh error? maybe ask #linux.
629 [03:29:55] <Atm0spher1c> simbalion`, ##linux
630 [03:29:57] <simbalion`> upgraded to stretch and now ssh won't connect: ssh_exchange_identification: read: Connection reset by peer
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632 [03:30:10] <Atm0spher1c> simbalion`, you using a key?
633 [03:30:33] <simbalion`> tried with and without
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637 [03:31:28] <Atm0spher1c> simbalion`, can you explain the scenario?
638 [03:31:33] <larvallid> Atm0spher1c, no, the laptop is just one month past the manufacturer's 1 year warranty. ><
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640 [03:31:53] <Atm0spher1c> larvallid, heh, that's when they get ya.
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642 [03:32:05] <Atm0spher1c> honestly not sure though
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646 [03:33:06] <nine_milli> is debian faster than redhat?
647 [03:33:14] <dvs> ???
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649 [03:33:27] <simbalion`> Atm0spher1c: I upgraded from jessie to stretch and ssh broke.
650 [03:33:40] <simbalion`> I did a reboot
651 [03:33:50] <Atm0spher1c> simbalion`, yes, but connecting from where to where
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655 [03:34:38] <larvallid> Atm0spher1c, ok, well, i /did/ create recovery media before wiping the preinstalled OS, so i will install windows 10 on there and then i will know for certain whether it's linux or hardware to blame. thanks for the help. i'm going to disconnect now, bye
656 [03:34:56] <Atm0spher1c> okay gl
657 [03:35:02] <simbalion`> Atm0spher1c: my workstation to a server
658 [03:35:19] <larvallid> thanks, 73
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660 [03:35:37] <Atm0spher1c> simbalion`, and the server is upgraded to stretchh?
661 [03:35:43] <simbalion`> Atm0spher1c: both are actually
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666 [03:36:53] <Atm0spher1c> simbalion`, did you do any searching? replaced-url
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668 [03:37:05] <simbalion`> Atm0spher1c: yep found nothing useful.
669 [03:38:08] <Eduard_Munteanu> simbalion`, use ssh -v to see what happens
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671 [03:38:28] <Atm0spher1c> simbalion`, interesting, lots of useful stuff just on that link
672 [03:38:36] <simbalion`> Ah interesting, I can connect from the server to the server
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678 [03:40:31] <simbalion`> Also mysql and fail2ban both failed to upgrade properly
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680 [03:40:49] <simbalion`> Atm0spher1c: thanks for that link, it didn't turn up in my search.
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690 [03:48:03] <simbalion`> I'm able to connect from one of my other servers just not my workstation. Should be able to fix it on my own from here, I thought the sshd service was broken but that's clearly not it
691 [03:48:09] <simbalion`> Thanks for the help
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764 [04:36:47] <Atm0spher1c> where is the home env variable set by default?
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768 [04:38:36] <dvs> Atm0spher1c, why? You want to set it for a particular user?
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771 [04:40:20] <Atm0spher1c> I'm just curious. I restored an old home dir on a new install and the HOME is set wrong
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773 [04:40:46] <Atm0spher1c> it's not set anywhere, so just wondering what does it by default
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775 [04:41:14] <dvs> Atm0spher1c, I'm guessing it takes the entry from the /etc/passwd file.
776 [04:41:24] <Tramp> Atm0spher1c: login (1) for a console login. And ^^
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778 [04:42:08] <Atm0spher1c> okay Tramp dvs , thanks
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836 [05:10:05] <Kl451> I'm fairly new to Linux. I want to install Debian, but encountered a problem with Debian working with my wireless mic -- an Intel 8265. Any suggestion? I was trying for a wireless install.
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838 [05:10:37] <dvs> !firmware iso
839 [05:10:37] <dpkg> Unofficial <netinst> images - containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for installing Debian 8 "Jessie" are available from replaced-url
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841 [05:12:16] <Kl451> I want to go straight to stretch. Is upgrading rc4 to release to recommended? Should I wait for the 17th?
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843 [05:13:34] <Kl451> I tried out adding the noon-free ucode filled to my USB as described in the installation guide, it didn't work for me.
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892 [05:53:54] <jim> hi... is android studio packaged?
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909 [05:59:18] <nine_milli> everyone, jim is a common troll from #linux
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979 [06:40:21] <codebam> lol
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995 [06:52:05] <simbalion`> What has replaced php5-fpm in stretch? I don't see a php7-fpm...
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998 [06:53:21] <tx> php-fpm - server-side, HTML-embedded scripting language (FPM-CGI binary) (default)
999 [06:53:21] <tx> php7.0-fpm - server-side, HTML-embedded scripting language (FPM-CGI binary)
1000 [06:53:29] <tx> gotta have the .0 ;)
1001 [06:54:51] <simbalion`> ah I see, thank you :)
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1003 [06:56:35] <uxfi> hi where can I find replaced-url
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1005 [06:57:18] <tx> probably need to ask them
1006 [06:57:22] <jim> uxfi, what happens when you try?
1007 [06:57:28] <tx> it's not like a distro comes with all of the supporting infrastructure
1008 [06:57:29] <tx> :)
1009 [06:57:38] <tx> they need to implement that
1010 [06:57:50] <uxfi> aha
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1079 [07:52:54] <Goldy> hi
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1099 [08:02:42] <gry> It is absolutely impossible to install a 64bit program on a 32bit OS, correct?
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1103 [08:04:31] <tx> gry: the prerequisite is a 64-bit kernel.
1104 [08:04:41] <tx> (to run natively)
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1106 [08:05:56] <tx> qemu-x86_64 can do this
1107 [08:05:59] <tx> but it's not fast ;)
1108 [08:06:57] <gry> ok
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1110 [08:09:05] <jelly> gry: it's not impossible to install. It may be not possible to run.
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1113 [08:10:00] * jelly running 64bit google chrome along mostly i386 userspace
1114 [08:10:17] <tx> Is there a reason you're in an i386 userland
1115 [08:10:20] <tx> or is it hardware related
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1117 [08:10:36] <jelly> os was installed in 2001.
1118 [08:10:44] <tx> ah, that'l do it.
1119 [08:10:46] <jelly> can't be bothered to do a fresh install
1120 [08:11:35] <gry> tx: I installed debian around 2012, and I was dumb enough to pick the wrong installer, and it was dumb enough to not whine at me in response
1121 [08:11:39] <gry> tx: would be nice if it did
1122 [08:12:13] <tx> I still do a yearly refresh.
1123 [08:12:16] <tx> I feel out of place now. :p
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1125 [08:14:06] <jelly> gry: maybe it could also present a nice helpful animated assistant. "It looks like you're trying to do an i386 install but your hardware is amd64 capable, SURELY you did not mean to do that?"
1126 [08:14:45] <jelly> perhaps it could look like a piece of office stationery
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1128 [08:14:56] <tx> The affirmative dialog text need to say "Yes I did, and don't call me Shirley."
1129 [08:15:21] <gry> jelly: that would be wonderful - I did this in 2010 due to ignorance, but then I did it again in 2012 due to lack of attention
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1132 [08:15:36] <jelly> /s
1133 [08:15:38] <gry> jelly: I could file a bug, against what package?
1134 [08:15:43] <tx> gry: I think jelly is being sarcastic. :P
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1136 [08:16:11] <gry> tx: that'd be ... a bit disappointing ... most of the cases when people install 32bit on 64bit is a human error I would think
1137 [08:16:40] <gry> I'll have to do a bit of fiddling around and most likely a complete reinstall
1138 [08:16:55] <gry> because the laptop user wants a program which doens't have a binary for 32bit
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1140 [08:17:44] <tx> which program is this?
1141 [08:17:59] <jelly> in the meantime you can install and reboot into linux-image-amd64, enable amd64 as foreign arch, and install libraries necessary to make said program run
1142 [08:18:42] <jelly> !multiarch
1143 [08:18:42] <dpkg> Multiarch allows you to install foreign architecture packages. For example, to allow i386 packages to be installed on an amd64 system: «dpkg --add-architecture i386 && apt-get update». See replaced-url
1144 [08:19:14] <jelly> same functionality enables one to install amd64 package on an i386 system.
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1146 [08:21:23] <gry> tx: skype.
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1148 [08:21:42] <gry> jelly: I am allowed to install 64bit kernel without complete OS reinstall?
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1150 [08:22:18] <jelly> and boot it. Yes.
1151 [08:22:51] <gry> aren't all the few hundreds of packages that I have 32bit though?
1152 [08:23:21] <jelly> they are. -amd64 kernel builds support running x86_64 userspace, i386 userspace and x32 userspace.
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1156 [08:24:45] <jelly> there's a linux-image-amd64 build _in_ i386 repo (in jessie, and earlier) just for that
1157 [08:24:57] <jelly> judd: v linux-image-amd64 --arch i386
1158 [08:24:58] <judd> Package: linux-image-amd64 on i386 -- wheezy: 3.2+46; wheezy-backports: 3.16+63~bpo70+1; jessie: 3.16+63
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1179 [08:41:52] <one_too_many> Can my computer run debian replaced-url
1180 [08:42:06] <one_too_many> I also have gtx 1080 sli
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1183 [08:42:41] <jelly> probably; the hardware may be too new for debian 8.
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1185 [08:43:01] <one_too_many> That why i was asking
1186 [08:43:07] <one_too_many> since ryzen is very new
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1188 [08:43:23] <jelly> you got better chances of using something that's been on the market for 12 months
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1193 [08:43:38] <one_too_many> would arch be a better option then?
1194 [08:43:45] <one_too_many> since it's rolling
1195 [08:43:47] <jelly> try it and see
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1198 [08:45:01] <jelly> would be nice if you made an attempt at installing stretch and do an installation report
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1201 [08:45:18] <one_too_many> Would that help debian devs ?
1202 [08:45:37] <jelly> it would make a useful data point
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1204 [08:46:23] <jelly> !install stretch
1205 [08:46:23] <dpkg> The best way to install Debian 9 "Stretch" is probably using the current release candidate of the installer images. replaced-url
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1215 [08:47:44] <one_too_many> Could I do a system report if I installed it on a vm instead or does it have to be host only?
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1231 [08:49:42] <jelly> you can do both but I guess an install report on physical hw would be more interesting
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1240 [08:50:01] <one_too_many> okay I just don't want to wipe my windows os
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1247 [08:50:35] <one_too_many> Would a Live debian running on a usb work
1248 [08:50:37] <lost_soul> no spare hdd you could install to?
1249 [08:50:38] <jelly> make a backup before installing anything
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1254 [08:50:44] <jelly> or use a vm, right
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1257 [08:51:25] <jelly> I don't know if live images for stretch are ready
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1259 [08:51:46] <jelly> !live stretch
1260 [08:51:46] <dpkg> The Debian Live project provides pre-built Debian live system images and allows creation of your own. These can be used to install a Debian system (although the installer is better to use). Live images are available from replaced-url
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1262 [08:52:13] <one_too_many> 404 on the first lnik
1263 [08:52:20] <one_too_many> link*
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1265 [08:53:30] <one_too_many> both links are down
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1268 [08:54:12] <jelly> yeah, maybe ask in their channel then. Note it's on a different irc network.
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1270 [08:54:20] <one_too_many> okay
1271 [08:54:40] <TomG2> replaced-url
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1273 [08:55:03] <one_too_many> that link works
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1276 [08:56:13] <one_too_many> tho that's for debian 8.8.0
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1285 [09:00:40] <one_too_many> Does Debian accept cryptocoins donations?
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1304 [09:08:15] <jelly> replaced-url
1305 [09:08:47] <jelly> oops, those are firmware images. But anyway. Probably going to need firmware for nouveau anyway.
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1307 [09:09:18] <one_too_many> I could try getting the nvidia binary working
1308 [09:09:26] <jelly> after installing, sure
1309 [09:09:35] <jelly> !nvidia dkms
1310 [09:09:35] <dpkg> For Debian 7 "Wheezy" and later systems. Ask me about <contrib> and <non-free sources>. «aptitude -r install linux-headers-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` nvidia-kernel-dkms && mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf». Restart your system to enable the <nouveau> blacklist.
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1333 [09:21:32] <lavenders> hi
1334 [09:21:56] <lavenders> is it possible to play sound on mail incoming, i am open to any mail client or shell or what i need?
1335 [09:22:28] <lavenders> simple: mail incoming -> play sound :) but what program
1336 [09:22:50] <BenNZ> lavender claws-mail can do that easily enough
1337 [09:23:31] <TomG2> xbiff? :)
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1343 [09:24:27] <TomG2> but yeah, claws and/or sylpheed and many other mail clients should be able to play a sound
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1353 [09:26:39] <jkinn23> I am having a problem with a change to libc.so on a WD My Cloud drive running jessie
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1355 [09:26:53] <lavenders> icedove vs claws?
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1358 [09:27:53] <jkinn23> I copied libc.so.6 to /usr/lib/arm-linux.../ and now most bash commands won't work
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1360 [09:28:39] <jkinn23> "error while loading shared libraries: /usr/lib/arm-linux-gnuabihf/libc.so.6: invalid ELF header
1361 [09:28:57] <jkinn23> anyone here can help me?
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1363 [09:29:43] <towo^work> why and from whjere you have copied libc.so.6?
1364 [09:29:54] <jelly> jkinn23: don't change libc on your closed embedded system
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1366 [09:30:48] <jelly> jkinn23: see if it's physically possible to connect the drive directly to another machine, and fix things from there
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1369 [09:31:37] <jelly> jkinn23: if there's a busybox installed, you may be able to "busybox rm ..." that file
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1372 [09:32:07] <jkinn23> it is network only accessible via ssh
1373 [09:32:15] <jelly> if there's a statically* linked* busybox installed, I mean
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1375 [09:32:35] <jelly> jkinn23: yeah, you may have to pry open the thing to get to the drive
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1377 [09:33:08] <jelly> possibly make that the last option, don't reboot or power it off for the time being
1378 [09:33:09] <jkinn23> no busybox
1379 [09:33:17] <jkinn23> I am working on this remotely for someone
1380 [09:33:27] <Stummi> lavenders, both are nice
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1383 [09:33:55] <lavenders> ok, i choose thunderbird because of atuoconfigure, but claws looks solid though
1384 [09:34:03] <Stummi> personally I prefer claws as well
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1386 [09:35:07] <jelly> jkinn23: what _is_ there useful, then? if ls does not work, use workarounds like "echo /usr/bin/*" to see what's in a directory
1387 [09:35:32] <jkinn23> @towo^work I have copied the libc.so.6 file from a chroot I have on my regular machine to compile packages for the mycloud
1388 [09:36:04] <towo^work> "invalid ELF header" sounds not like the right arch
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1390 [09:36:12] <jkinn23> western digital provides gpl source code to compile arm packages for the mycloud
1391 [09:36:20] <jkinn23> right
1392 [09:36:57] <jkinn23> I am stuck now though...how do I remove the libc.so.6 from /usr/lib;...
1393 [09:37:02] <jkinn23> ?
1394 [09:37:16] <jelly> jkinn23: two options: delete the broken lib somehow, or if you know where the working libc.so.6 is, maybe you'll be able to copy it over the broken one
1395 [09:37:46] <jelly> jkinn23: what's the name of dynamic loader on that platform?
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1397 [09:38:20] <jelly> jkinn23: pastebin the output of echo /lib/*
1398 [09:38:35] <jkinn23> cp, rm, ls, most command complain about error loaded shared library
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1400 [09:38:55] <jkinn23> how can I tell the dynamic loader?
1401 [09:39:01] <jelly> jkinn23: pastebin the output of echo /lib/*
1402 [09:39:44] <jelly> it's something like /lib/ld-linux.so.2, not sure what's the common name on armel/armhf/arm64
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1404 [09:40:18] <jelly> jkinn23: and output of: echo /lib/ld-* /lib/*/ld-*
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1408 [09:41:31] <jelly> jkinn23: do you happen to know, did you overwrite a libc.so.6 that existed already, or did you put in a new one in a directory where none existed before?
1409 [09:42:13] <jelly> if latter, that's very good, you may be able to run normal commands by telling them to preload the correct libc
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1416 [09:43:35] <jkinn23> replaced-url
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1419 [09:43:46] <jkinn23> I put where none existed
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1425 [09:45:29] <jkinn23> how can I preload the correct libc?
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1430 [09:46:26] <jelly> jkinn23: something like LD_PRELOAD=/path/to/libc.so.6 /bin/cp --version
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1432 [09:46:38] <jelly> jkinn23: does running "/lib/ld-linux.so.3" work?
1433 [09:47:01] <jelly> Usage: ld.so [OPTION]... EXECUTABLE-FILE [ARGS-FOR-PROGRAM...] [etc]
1434 [09:47:09] <jkinn23> one moment...I can't copy paste because of the remote connection
1435 [09:47:18] <jkinn23> thanks very much for helping
1436 [09:47:19] <jkinn23> brb
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1438 [09:47:32] <jelly> I'll be afk for a while as well
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1441 [09:47:38] <jkinn23> OK
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1449 [09:51:38] <jkinn23> error: ld.so: object "/lib/libc.so.6" from LD_PRELOAD connot be preloaded: ignored
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1455 [09:54:04] <jkinn23> "/lib/ld-linux.so.3" works...carrying on
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1463 [09:58:15] <jkinn23> OK, I think I can get the "/lib/ld-linux.so.3" to work, but what is the correct library I shold provide a path to so I can get my bash commands to run?
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1487 [10:12:00] <jkinn23> libc.so.6 was located at /lib/arm-linux-gnuabihf/libc.so.6 which I "cleverly" renamed to libc.so.6.orig before I overwrote it with a new one and I think this is when my problems started, even though it is complaing about the libc from /usr/lib
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1490 [10:13:29] <coke> if you want to keep files move them way
1491 [10:13:47] <coke> s/move/copy/
1492 [10:13:47] <jelly> jkinn23: so try doing LD_PRELOAD=/lib/arm-linux-gnuabihf/libc.so.6.orig /bin/ls
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1494 [10:14:31] <jelly> coke: also, if you want to keep your system running, don't move away the library all compiled binaries depend on
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1498 [10:16:18] <coke> s/move/copy/
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1506 [10:20:26] <jkinn23> well I've learned now what that library is for and I won't do it again
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1510 [10:21:01] <jkinn23> but I still need to rename it back if I can
1511 [10:21:55] <jkinn23> any other ideas?
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1517 [10:24:53] <b4d_> Hi, I am trying to install a package in squeeze (yeah, old, but can't upgrade) and I am getting 404 not found errors. Is there any alternative source link for packages? Thanks
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1523 [10:26:44] <jelly> jkinn23: that LD_PRELOAD thing did not work?
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1528 [10:29:39] <jkinn23> @jelly sorry I missed that message at first
1529 [10:29:45] <jkinn23> it did indeed work
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1532 [10:30:05] <jkinn23> I've renamed my libc and back in busniess
1533 [10:30:09] <jkinn23> phewph
1534 [10:30:16] <jkinn23> thank you so much!!!
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1536 [10:30:57] <jkinn23> that scared the crap out of me...I super appreciate the help
1537 [10:31:08] <jkinn23> now I know :)
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1539 [10:31:26] <dionysus69> how do I make a bootable drive with both gparted and clonezilla on it?
1540 [10:31:39] <dionysus69> let's say grub asks me at boot time which one to load
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1542 [10:32:07] <Bliepo> Hello, I run a small hobby server (meaning that some downtime is acceptable) and was wondering about what would be best: a clean install of stretch or simply upgrading Jessie.
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1545 [10:32:27] <dionysus69> Bliepo: upgrading wouldn't hurt anything
1546 [10:32:43] <dionysus69> but obviously fresh install "might" have it's benefits
1547 [10:33:03] <Bliepo> dionysus69: thanks, in that case I'll probably just upgrade
1548 [10:33:36] <dionysus69> yep, I think that's what I did with my system I am currently using. stretch is surprisingly stable, and its development has been frozen
1549 [10:34:28] <Bliepo> Well, I'll just snapshot my system before upgrading (I use btrfs), so if something should go wrong I can rollback quite easily
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1553 [10:35:27] <ggy6> .
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1565 [10:38:49] <petn-randall> Bliepo: Do an upgrade, and make sure to do an upgrade report. If you find any upgrade bugs they'll get fixed. :)
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1579 [10:53:39] <Bliepo> petn-randall: will do!
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1584 [10:55:05] <cek> I'd like to RUN a program and assign its singleline result to an ENV{var}. RUN+="/usr/sbin/blockdev --getsz %N",ENV{DEVSIZE}="%c" doesn't work.
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1592 [10:58:53] <jelly> jkinn23: it can help to have a statically linked featureful shell in place, for times when you manage to mess up normal dynamically linked commands
1593 [10:59:18] <jelly> ,v busybox-static
1594 [10:59:19] <judd> Package: busybox-static on amd64 -- wheezy: 1:1.20.0-7; jessie: 1:1.22.0-9+deb8u1; stretch: 1:1.22.0-19+b3; sid: 1:1.22.0-19+b3
1595 [10:59:21] <petn-randall> cek: VAR=`echo foo`
1596 [10:59:44] <cek> udev question.
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1600 [11:02:34] <cek> oh, should've been PROGRAM
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1613 [11:09:45] <_KaszpiR_> cek VAR=$(command)
1614 [11:09:56] <cek> ...another one.
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1631 [11:15:45] <jim> hi... on upgrade from jessie to stretch, getting this: replaced-url
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1634 [11:16:21] <jkinn23> thanks @jelly ...I will do that
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1636 [11:16:42] <jkinn23> this mycloud drive has been a pain to work with
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1639 [11:17:54] <jkinn23> I am trying to do a file recovery on it and it takes jessie packages, but not through apt
1640 [11:17:57] <petn-randall> jim: Run "grep -r '1c300953' /etc/".
1641 [11:18:08] <jim> ok
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1643 [11:18:31] <jkinn23> so I am manually downloading and compiling them...then transferring to the owner to she can put the on a usb and plug it into the drive
1644 [11:18:37] <petn-randall> jim: IIRC is /etc/initramfs-tools/conf.d/resume
1645 [11:18:40] <petn-randall> *it is
1646 [11:19:15] <jkinn23> but I don't knwo in advance what dependencies are missing because I don't have the drive in front of me to check with
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1650 [11:20:42] <jkinn23> this is not as easy as just running testdisk :P
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1652 [11:21:15] <jim> petn-randall, yeah, the grep returned that file, I just deleted the line since (1) there's no such swap partition and (2) this isn't a laptop anyway
1653 [11:21:15] <jkinn23> I have to go for now...thanks again!
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1656 [11:22:15] <jim> petn-randall, anyway thanks, that was a good idea
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1667 [11:23:48] <petn-randall> jim: You're welcome :)
1668 [11:24:27] <x8b30cc> hello there i am unable to uninstall a package: speech-dispatcher, i keep getting userdel: failure while writing changes to /etc/passwd
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1671 [11:25:03] <petn-randall> x8b30cc: Can you paste the command you're using + the complete output to replaced-url
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1676 [11:25:29] <x8b30cc> @petn-randall sure
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1681 [11:27:15] <x8b30cc> petn-randall replaced-url
1682 [11:28:18] <petn-randall> !localized errors
1683 [11:28:18] <dpkg> Rather than hoping that we recognise what has gone wrong from the error messages in your native language, please provide any error messages in English. You can do this by setting your locale to an English one (e.g. C) prior to running the command, e.g. «LC_ALL=C apt-get -f install»
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1685 [11:28:25] <petn-randall> x8b30cc: ^^^
1686 [11:28:47] <x8b30cc> petn-randall can't i just translate it to you?
1687 [11:29:18] <petn-randall> x8b30cc: Just add LC_ALL=C before the command and it'll be in english.
1688 [11:29:32] <petn-randall> (that factoid sounds a bit snarky, I'll fix that)
1689 [11:29:50] <babilen> It does, yeah
1690 [11:30:43] <x8b30cc> petn-randall: replaced-url
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1694 [11:32:45] <petn-randall> x8b30cc: It sounds like your root filesystem is read-only. Or at least /etc/passwd.
1695 [11:33:07] <x8b30cc> petn-randall sounds bad
1696 [11:33:54] <x8b30cc> just tried to create a file inside /root it works
1697 [11:34:04] <petn-randall> x8b30cc: You can check the first with "mount", and the second with "ls -al /etc/passwd".
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1699 [11:34:35] <petn-randall> babilen: fixed it
1700 [11:34:42] <petn-randall> !localized errors
1701 [11:34:42] <dpkg> To provide command output in English instead of your native language, set your locale to an English one (e.g. C) prior to running the command, e.g. "LC_ALL=C apt-get -f install".
1702 [11:34:48] <x8b30cc> petn-randall replaced-url
1703 [11:34:53] <x8b30cc> nope sorry wrong paste
1704 [11:35:07] <enkrypt> when I put a package on hold (apt-mark hold) in what way is it kept the same version? because it appears it prevents indeed from an 'apt-get upgrade' from touching it, but when I do 'apt-get install package' it still gets upgraded
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1706 [11:35:50] <_KaszpiR_> use apt pin
1707 [11:36:06] <x8b30cc> petn-randall replaced-url
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1711 [11:37:09] <petn-randall> x8b30cc: Disk full maybe? "df -h"
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1713 [11:37:39] <petn-randall> On second thought, that would give a different error.
1714 [11:38:05] <x8b30cc> petn-randall used only 5%
1715 [11:38:31] <petn-randall> x8b30cc: What does the output of "lsattr /etc/passwd" give you?
1716 [11:38:52] <petn-randall> (you can paste the single line in chat)
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1719 [11:39:01] <x8b30cc> petn-randall: -------------e-- /etc/passwd
1720 [11:39:38] <x8b30cc> coul be that caused by me removing root user login?
1721 [11:39:54] <petn-randall> x8b30cc: How did you remove the root user?
1722 [11:41:06] <x8b30cc> passwd -l root
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1727 [11:42:25] <x8b30cc> petn-randall i am not even able to sudo passwd root for unable access to /etc/passwd
1728 [11:42:52] <petn-randall> x8b30cc: That only locks it, it *should* be ok. But since I've run out of ideas why it's failing, could you unlock root and try it again?
1729 [11:43:35] <petn-randall> x8b30cc: Is sudo properly set up, though?
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1732 [11:45:08] <gry> jelly: re migrating from 32bit to 64bit, I would like a step by step tutorial; replaced-url
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1736 [11:48:38] <x8b30cc> petn-randall i can't unlock root, because the same problem i think
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1738 [11:49:04] <x8b30cc> when i try to sudo passwd rood i get error in auth token manipulation
1739 [11:49:22] <petn-randall> x8b30cc: Argh. It's always a good idea to test sudo before locking root. Did you log your user out and back in again since you added it to sudo?
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1743 [11:49:50] <x8b30cc> petn-randall i rebooted also many times since yesterday
1744 [11:50:04] <gry> or if jelly is away, someone else please assist. thanks :)
1745 [11:50:12] <x8b30cc> sudo seems to work properly
1746 [11:50:24] <x8b30cc> and i am also able to sudo su
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1750 [11:50:40] <petn-randall> x8b30cc: And 'id' then outputs that you're root?
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1753 [11:51:04] <x8b30cc> petn-randall uid=0(root) gid=0(root) gruppi=0(root)
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1755 [11:51:38] <petn-randall> gry: I recommend doing clean install. The migration from 32 to 64bit is not officially supported, and there are many steps to hose your system in obvious or – even worse – subtle ways that are hard to debug.
1756 [11:51:48] <gry> ok
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1759 [11:52:18] <petn-randall> gry: So I'd backup all your important data, then do a stretch install on the system and restore your data again.
1760 [11:54:36] <jim> gry, when I went from 32 to 64, I already had a sizable separate /home, and plenty of free space... so I just ran the 64b netinstsll
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1762 [11:55:30] <jim> it's said to be really hard to cross that particular boundary
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1764 [11:55:57] <jim> (having said that, I'm seen debian cross others)
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1766 [11:56:16] <aqiank> Hi guys, I have a problem in my Upstart program. The program itself runs fine but when it calls `system("/usr/local/bin/foo")`, it complains that it cannot find it (e.g. sh: 1: /usr/local/bin/foo: not found). Does anyone know why?
1767 [11:56:41] <aqiank> The foo program is in /usr/local/bin/foo
1768 [11:57:08] <jim> is it a script?
1769 [11:57:12] <xand> check the #! line at the start of foo
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1772 [11:57:36] <aqiank> and I execute my own program like "su -c /usr/local/bin/bar"
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1774 [11:57:41] <aqiank> in the Upstart script
1775 [11:57:50] <aqiank> It's a binary program
1776 [11:57:56] <aqiank> Both of them are binaries
1777 [11:58:33] <aqiank> I also tried putting it in /foo and use system("./foo")
1778 [11:58:33] <jim> it could be missing lib, or missing linker (ld.so)
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1782 [11:59:58] <jim> try running ldd on it
1783 [12:00:28] <jim> see if any of the items it shows are missing
1784 [12:00:55] <aqiank> I see, I'll check
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1788 [12:01:28] <internot> i almost miss using Ms. Dos, i can't remember the last time i used a *.* wildcard
1789 [12:01:37] <jim> if most of your other stuff works, I don't suspect missing ld.so
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1798 [12:04:25] <gry> jim my /home is not separate, i'll have to ignore this problem and find a workaround, i'm a bit lazy. but i took some notes from here in case i need them later.
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1802 [12:05:37] <jim> gry, if you decide you want to try it and you need a hand, see if I'm arount
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1827 [12:16:16] <x8b30cc> the problem in the end is caused by: userdel speech-dispatcher
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1830 [12:16:40] <x8b30cc> that gives me userdel: failure while writing changes to /etc/passwd
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1842 [12:21:40] <gry> jim: yes, if only the reason was more worthwhile than installing skype! when it is, I will get in touch (for now I'm trying to convince Skype that using a webpage and firefox's mic and webcam access like a modern html5 app is a good idea)
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1844 [12:24:24] <jim> I have to reboot... brb :)
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1853 [12:30:46] <wipe> !ops wake up
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1856 [12:30:54] <wipe> !ops and don't forget to wipe your ass
1857 [12:30:55] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: wipe complains about: and don't forget to wipe your ass
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1890 [12:51:51] <cronicx> Hey debian, i want to install a package through another repo, added in sources.list.d, seems ok. If i want to install - it only gives me another version from the official repo .. is there something like pinning? I checked the preferences and theres no pinning for this package defined.. seems strange
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1892 [12:52:12] <towo^work> forget apt update?
1893 [12:52:17] <cronicx> nope
1894 [12:52:36] <cronicx> in the apt-cache policy its visible
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1896 [12:52:56] <cronicx> but candidate is still the outdatet version..
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1899 [12:53:10] <towo^work> cronicx, then be more precise
1900 [12:53:22] <jelly> !bat
1901 [12:53:23] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
1902 [12:53:25] <jelly> cronicx: ^^
1903 [12:53:25] <towo^work> paste the output of apt-cahe policy package
1904 [12:53:41] <cronicx> ok , sorry :) hold on
1905 [12:54:12] <BenNZ> cronicx: replaced-url
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1907 [12:54:43] <cronicx> BenNZ: checked, nothin in there except a sysvinit pinning
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1909 [12:55:53] <cronicx> replaced-url
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1911 [12:55:57] <cronicx> apt-get is coming
1912 [12:56:04] <BenNZ> cronicx: that link will tell you how to add a package pin
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1914 [12:56:59] <AN0NYM> you can install packages from another repo with "apt-get install -t <repo-name> <packages>" and they will be updates automatically with apt
1915 [12:57:01] <cronicx> BenNZ: Ah yes, ok. But this should working without pinning.. there are like 100 installations that ive done so..
1916 [12:57:03] <cronicx> replaced-url
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1918 [12:57:09] <cronicx> apt install paste
1919 [12:57:21] <internot> apt eat paste
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1921 [12:57:21] <apt> That's too disgusting.
1922 [12:57:25] <BenNZ> cronicx: not if there is a later version in the repo
1923 [12:57:27] <towo^work> don't use ubuntu packages in debian!
1924 [12:57:42] <cronicx> oh. sorry
1925 [12:57:43] <cronicx> wrong try :D
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1928 [12:59:34] <cronicx> replaced-url
1929 [12:59:38] <cronicx> this should be the correct one
1930 [12:59:40] <cronicx> with debmon sources..
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1932 [13:00:39] <BenNZ> so youre wondering why the package with a pin of 990 will be installed over a package with a pin 500 ?
1933 [13:00:51] <jelly> !localized errors
1934 [13:00:51] <dpkg> To provide command output in English instead of your native language, set your locale to an English one (e.g. C) prior to running the command, e.g. "LC_ALL=C apt-get -f install".
1935 [13:00:53] <towo^work> look at your pinning of the regular repo
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1937 [13:01:29] <jelly> cronicx: where's the output of "apt-cache policy"
1938 [13:01:48] <cronicx> jelly: last paste first 7 lines
1939 [13:01:51] <jelly> also, please use paste.debian.net if possible, or some other pastebin without ads
1940 [13:01:53] <cronicx> oh mom
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1942 [13:02:15] <cronicx> replaced-url
1943 [13:02:16] <cronicx> there it is
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1948 [13:02:58] <cronicx> Oh, pastebin is using ads? Sorry
1949 [13:03:00] <cronicx> ^^
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1951 [13:03:34] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
1952 [13:03:56] <jelly> cronicx: you seem to have pinning or Default-Release set _somewhere_
1953 [13:04:34] <jelly> cronicx: grep Default-Release /etc/apt/apt.conf{,.d/*}
1954 [13:04:55] <BenNZ> for the non-free repo
1955 [13:04:58] <cronicx> jelly: there it is.. >.<
1956 [13:05:00] <cronicx> /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/default-release:APT::Default-Release "jessie";
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1958 [13:05:17] <jelly> cronicx: and since that debmon repo uses n=debmon-jessie instead of n=jessie, it doesn't get matched
1959 [13:05:18] <BenNZ> sorry there are others
1960 [13:05:30] <jelly> cronicx: (as seen in "apt-cache policy")
1961 [13:05:41] <cronicx> jelly: thank you so much. I didnt noticed this in cache policy
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1963 [13:06:01] <jelly> that's why the bots asks for all that stuff
1964 [13:06:03] <cronicx> and didnt checked apt.conf.d :x
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1966 [13:06:09] <cronicx> makes sense.
1967 [13:07:02] <jelly> if you only have repos for jessie enabled, there's technically no reason to pin the release that way at all
1968 [13:07:18] <jelly> if you mix jessie and something newer... you shouldn't :-)
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1973 [13:09:04] <cronicx> jelly: I am not using this normally. It is a somehwat "managed" server, with custom installations.. no comment :9
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1975 [13:09:48] <jelly> it's... probably not managed very well
1976 [13:09:51] <cronicx> :D
1977 [13:09:56] <cronicx> Thats the point..
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1979 [13:10:37] <cronicx> But thats not my department.. They wanted icinga2, there it is :-)
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1996 [13:19:20] <AciD`> ok so, once again, I'm trying to install a fresh debian (netinst) on a computer via an usb key, and it chockes on the "detect and mount cd" step, where it does not find a cd, since there is none
1997 [13:19:29] <AciD`> how can you get around something that simple?
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1999 [13:19:49] <AciD`> I tried going to the console and type `mount -t vfat /dev/sdb1 /cdrom`, to no avail
2000 [13:20:11] <AciD`> note: I created the usb key using dd
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2002 [13:22:37] <BluesKaj> AciD`, do you have your usb boot option turned on in the uefi/bios?
2003 [13:23:08] <AciD`> BluesKaj -> I guess so, since I can see the install menu, and from there I launched `graphical install`
2004 [13:23:25] <AciD`> according to google, there are tons of people having the exact same problem
2005 [13:23:34] <AciD`> unfortunately for me, none of the given solution works
2006 [13:23:41] <jelly> AciD`: how did you write the usb stick?
2007 [13:23:58] <AciD`> jelly -> <AciD`> note: I created the usb key using dd
2008 [13:24:08] <AciD`> without any special options
2009 [13:24:11] <BluesKaj> ahh, suggest you use the plain install, it's the old test methos and it still works , the gui option failed for me too.
2010 [13:24:16] <AciD`> just if= of=
2011 [13:24:19] <jelly> AciD`: on linux?
2012 [13:24:31] <AciD`> yep, on my other debian :)
2013 [13:24:33] <BluesKaj> method
2014 [13:24:34] <AciD`> (testing)
2015 [13:24:36] <jelly> AciD`: what was the exact command line?
2016 [13:25:00] <BluesKaj> gawd test=text
2017 [13:25:05] <AciD`> dd if=/home/acid/iso/2017-06-05/debian-8.8.0-amd64-netinst.iso of=/dev/sdf
2018 [13:26:02] <jelly> that seems fine, but sometimes not all the data is written with dd (if you unplug the stick too quickly)
2019 [13:26:14] <jelly> cp seems to be a bit more reliable
2020 [13:26:16] <AciD`> jelly -> I checked that, no blinking led
2021 [13:26:40] <AciD`> BluesKaj -> I just tried the plain install, still the same no cd-rom detected problem
2022 [13:26:55] <AciD`> this is crazy, I remember having the exact same problem 10 years ago, at least :(
2023 [13:27:09] <AciD`> (on different hardware, obviously ;x)
2024 [13:27:17] <jelly> exact same symptom, not necessarily exact same issue
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2026 [13:27:30] <AciD`> well, still a bummer
2027 [13:27:51] <AciD`> this debian I'm currently on, I had to debootstrap it from another distro using chroot
2028 [13:28:10] <AciD`> then it was a *pleasure* to install the needed package to make it run correctly ;o
2029 [13:28:10] <BluesKaj> think the image you chose may be at fault, find the image meant for usb not cd/dvd
2030 [13:28:18] <AciD`> I'm not doing that on that laptop!
2031 [13:28:40] <AciD`> well, I used the netinst like provided for the normal sized usb
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2033 [13:28:46] <AciD`> can't go wrong with that
2034 [13:29:20] <AciD`> on this page : replaced-url
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2036 [13:29:29] <AciD`> this link : replaced-url
2037 [13:29:47] <AciD`> (the amd64 on under "Small CDs or USB sticks"
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2039 [13:30:04] <jelly> BluesKaj: all netinst images are for both usb and cd/dvd
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2042 [13:31:18] <BluesKaj> yeah , that should work...
2043 [13:31:26] <BluesKaj> that's what i used
2044 [13:31:27] <AciD`> I'm confused because either I'm the unluckiest guy trying to install debians for years, or then, how come such a critical bug pass QA? :o
2045 [13:32:05] <AciD`> `mount -t vfat /dev/sdb1 /cdrom` returns "failed: Invalid argument" :/
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2047 [13:32:38] <BluesKaj> ?? cdrom
2048 [13:33:02] <ElKaktus> a cdrom filesystem isnt vfat
2049 [13:33:14] <ElKaktus> try mount -t iso9660 /dev/sdb1 /cdrom
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2051 [13:33:19] <AciD`> ElKaktus -> the key is
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2053 [13:33:38] <ElKaktus> its a usb key ?
2054 [13:33:40] <AciD`> > /cdrom is the target, not an iso9660 one
2055 [13:33:46] <ElKaktus> ok i see
2056 [13:33:48] <ElKaktus> sorry
2057 [13:33:54] <AciD`> no problem
2058 [13:34:12] <AciD`> I'm tired and I should not have tried to install Debian at 1:30 am I guess
2059 [13:34:12] <AciD`> :)
2060 [13:35:06] <AciD`> expert mode allows me to choose each step separatedly, but still can't get past the detect cd-rom step :/
2061 [13:35:23] <Guest52458> with dd why it's sdf ?
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2065 [13:36:18] <AciD`> ..because I have lots of hdd in my other computer :)
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2067 [13:36:57] <AciD`> ah!
2068 [13:37:01] <AciD`> expert mode saved me
2069 [13:37:03] <AciD`> so
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2072 [13:37:26] <BluesKaj> Guest52458, it's probly what fdisk -l or df -h outputs
2073 [13:37:30] <AciD`> the install chockes on the detect cd-rom, which is dumb since it's an iso made for a usb key, but oh well
2074 [13:37:51] <AciD`> so you first need to choose 'none' for the cdrom module it then propose you
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2076 [13:38:13] <AciD`> then it shows you the default path to the cd-rom '/dev/cdrom'
2077 [13:38:27] <AciD`> from there you just need to replace it with /dev/sdb1 or whatever
2078 [13:38:28] <BluesKaj> sorry, but the /cdrom in the =command confuses me
2079 [13:38:28] <AciD`> phew
2080 [13:38:36] <AciD`> this is really user friendly.
2081 [13:39:22] <AciD`> BluesKaj -> well, with busybox you can see when you use the terminal that it use the old folder structure by default, with /cdrom instead of the new(ish) /media/cdrom
2082 [13:40:01] <AciD`> well now I'm in expert mode and I need to chose each component myself ;o
2083 [13:40:19] <BluesKaj> think it's time the nomenclature was reviewed
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2085 [13:41:40] <AciD`> it's time a usb install does not bother detecting a cd-rom.
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2087 [13:42:01] <glick> ih
2088 [13:42:09] <glick> wow, something strange just happened with my machine
2089 [13:42:22] <glick> i was watching a video via tor, when the entire machine froze
2090 [13:42:35] <dob1> hi, I have an hdd where it is installed debian jessie, I just the root partition of this hdd I am not running the debian system instelled on it. Can I know in some way the packages installed on this debian system?
2091 [13:42:41] <glick> i could not switch virtual desktops, or to virtual terminals
2092 [13:42:43] <dob1> *mount
2093 [13:42:48] <glick> could not move the mouse
2094 [13:43:09] <glick> i hit alt-ctrl f1-f2 and then the machine just rebooted
2095 [13:43:11] <AciD`> dob1 -> you can chroot to it and find out
2096 [13:43:22] <glick> is there anyway i can see what caused that?
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2098 [13:44:44] <dob1> AciD`, I take a look, I never used chroot
2099 [13:45:10] <AciD`> it's pretty straightforward
2100 [13:45:23] <AciD`> mount /dev/sdxy /mnt/debian
2101 [13:45:28] <ElKaktus> glick> /var/log/messages ?
2102 [13:45:34] <ElKaktus> glick> or dmesg
2103 [13:45:38] <AciD`> chroot /mnt/debian /bin/bash
2104 [13:46:20] <AciD`> ah and before doing chroot, do `for i in dev dev/pts sys proc run; do sudo mount --rbind /$i /mnt/debian/$i; done`
2105 [13:46:30] <AciD`> gn
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2107 [13:46:41] <dob1> AciD`, i need to mount the home partition too?
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2109 [13:47:02] <AciD`> you do not need to if you just want to use the 'root' account
2110 [13:47:11] <glick> i see nothing strange in them
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2112 [13:48:00] <glick> its weird because i was watching a online video
2113 [13:48:07] <ElKaktus> glick> may be a hardware problem ? memory ? cpu ?
2114 [13:48:17] <glick> and the video got stuck and kept repeating the last two seconds
2115 [13:48:22] <glick> but everything else was stuck
2116 [13:48:46] <ElKaktus> it's the first time it happens ?
2117 [13:48:54] <dob1> AciD`, thanks
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2138 [14:01:25] <Aebian> this moment when windows freezes while trying to go to end of file on a 720mb oracle sql file... good that my debian machine doesn't care and can load it and go to the end
2139 [14:01:38] <Aebian> weird
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2167 [14:12:09] <unborn> releases
2168 [14:12:56] <unborn> - does anyone have info when freeze becomes live? - thanks
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2170 [14:13:07] <AlexPortable> How can I prevent an user from wiping out his .bash_history file?
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2172 [14:13:37] <petn-randall> AlexPortable: You can't.
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2176 [14:13:55] <petn-randall> !tell unborn about wwsr
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2178 [14:14:41] <unborn> thanks pent! cannot wait and counting the days :)
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2180 [14:15:16] <AlexPortable> thanks
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2236 [14:42:44] <AlexPortable> What would be the best way to run a process as an user, and then disable logging in on that user?
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2238 [14:43:51] <petemc> passwd -l
2239 [14:44:09] <petemc> or change their shell with chsh
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2242 [14:45:15] <AlexPortable> will that still keep the process running?
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2244 [14:45:59] <petemc> yes
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2248 [14:46:39] <webmind> hello, I'm testing a debian 9 installation. I screwed up my partitioning, but how do I remove encrypted partitions?
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2250 [14:46:54] <webmind> I can't find an option to do so
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2269 [14:56:12] <webmind> switching to guided partitioning results in lots of errors
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2272 [14:57:38] <BluesKaj> webmind, manual partitioning gives more options/flexiabilty
2273 [14:57:46] <webmind> BluesKaj: yes
2274 [14:58:03] <webmind> but I see no option there to remove my encrypted partitions
2275 [14:58:31] <webmind> I could reboot and restart the installer
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2277 [14:58:36] <webmind> but this seems maybe broken?
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2283 [14:59:23] <webmind> would be crap to have a broken installer when it's released no?
2284 [14:59:32] <BluesKaj> webmind, dunno, never needed to encrypt any partitions, being a home user
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2288 [15:00:08] <webmind> BluesKaj: I'm a home user
2289 [15:00:11] <jelly> webmind: stupid way: switch to shell, Ctrl-Alt-F2, wipe beginning and end (say, 1MiB) of the target disk drive, reboot and run installer again
2290 [15:00:35] <webmind> jelly: just restarting the installer probably works
2291 [15:00:38] <jelly> if you have any other partitions and os installations on this disk, don't do that
2292 [15:01:01] <webmind> but I'm suspecting the installer to be missing a crucial feature
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2295 [15:01:11] <webmind> wondering if that shouldn't be fixed before the release?
2296 [15:01:50] <jelly> webmind: going steps back in the installer does not clean all the partman state
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2298 [15:02:07] <jelly> (partman is the compoment that does guided/manual partitioning)
2299 [15:02:37] <jelly> if there's a way to really restart the installer, sure, try that
2300 [15:02:46] <webmind> jelly: I can reboot the machine
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2302 [15:03:04] <webmind> but shouldn't there be a way to remove the partitions in the installer?
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2305 [15:03:25] <jelly> webmind: there should. There is, but the interface is a bit clunky.
2306 [15:03:34] <webmind> jelly: where is it?
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2308 [15:03:57] <jelly> I can't point it out over irc, because... it's clunky
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2310 [15:04:13] <jelly> s/can't/can't be bothered/ really
2311 [15:04:51] <webmind> yikes
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2314 [15:05:07] <webmind> now I managed to remove the partitions, while the encrypted volumes are still configured
2315 [15:05:10] <jelly> so it's simpler both to tell you to wipe the partition table in shell and reboot, than click back and forth in partman until you find the right thing
2316 [15:05:23] <jelly> for* both of* us*
2317 [15:05:23] <webmind> trying to configure the encrypted volume, it tries to configure it on /dev/sda
2318 [15:05:33] <jelly> it's fun isn't it?
2319 [15:05:44] <webmind> jelly: well, except that wouldn't solve my problem
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2321 [15:05:50] <webmind> which is trying to do it in the proper way
2322 [15:06:11] <jelly> you can do it the proper way, but it's easy to get lost doing that
2323 [15:06:30] <unborn> webmind: what you mean in proper way... jelly just gave you proper way....
2324 [15:06:43] <jelly> no, I gave them a workaround
2325 [15:07:16] <jelly> "wipe partition manually from shell and reboot" is hardly proper :-)
2326 [15:07:19] <unborn> .le me re-read
2327 [15:07:28] <jelly> partition table*
2328 [15:07:31] <webmind> I would agree :)
2329 [15:07:47] <webmind> heh
2330 [15:07:58] <webmind> now it lets me create partition tables on an encrypted device
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2332 [15:08:09] <webmind> which has no partition behind it
2333 [15:08:25] <jelly> but the installer ui for partitioning is clumsy. I haven't tried stretch yet, but I did try jessie recently on my laptop for fun, and I got into a similar messy state with partman
2334 [15:08:43] <webmind> but should it be released like this?
2335 [15:08:54] <jelly> wel... it's not worse than it was before
2336 [15:09:02] <webmind> :(
2337 [15:09:14] <webmind> it seems quite broken
2338 [15:10:06] <jelly> partman's state of physical volumes used for luks and volume groups and layering leaves something to be desired
2339 [15:10:32] <jelly> anaconda (RHEL/CentOS installer) UI is a bit more sane, but not much
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2344 [15:13:14] <BluesKaj> never saw the point of encrypting partitions , perhaps some sensitve files, but not partitions as a home user. I guess being an old windows user experiencing the difference in security on linux made me think I've been safe from attack on many levels compared to windows.
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2346 [15:13:49] <jelly> never experienced a break-in, have you
2347 [15:14:10] <jelly> windows has bitlocker now and it's a lot more friendly
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2349 [15:14:53] <BluesKaj> experinced dos attack from an irate irc user in russia who treid to steal my nick
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2351 [15:15:29] <BluesKaj> but he wasn't successful, never did figure out why he came after me
2352 [15:15:44] <webmind> BluesKaj: I wouldn't to have to think about each file whether it's sensitive
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2356 [15:16:05] <jelly> when you have cpu support for aes, it's almost free
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2358 [15:16:11] <webmind> yep
2359 [15:16:23] <webmind> so easiest to just have it
2360 [15:16:26] <BluesKaj> not each file I'm talking about personal data etc
2361 [15:16:46] <jelly> so why not use it, maybe the machine will never get stolen, maybe it will, one less thing to worry in any case
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2365 [15:17:22] <webmind> I've had my machine stolen before
2366 [15:17:44] <BluesKaj> how many users who steal pc know anything abouty linux , chances are 1 in a 100
2367 [15:17:58] <BluesKaj> pcs
2368 [15:18:00] <kwizart> hello, anyone known for which arches the defaut bootloader is grub ?
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2370 [15:18:07] <kwizart> on deb8+
2371 [15:18:15] <kwizart> (or even grub2)
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2374 [15:19:29] <CuSn> Quick Question, Sudo on Jessie has a security update. How do i upgrade the sudo package without upgrading all the other packages at the sane time. "apt-get upgrade" does ALL the packages on the system. i definitely don't want to do that.
2375 [15:19:40] <CuSn> *same
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2377 [15:19:59] <BluesKaj> and if you use a decent login pwd, chances are even fewer that he'll guess it
2378 [15:20:02] <webmind> BluesKaj: 1% is high enough, for me, it's irrelevant though.
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2380 [15:20:39] <BluesKaj> now you have a problem webmind due to encrypting a partition
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2382 [15:21:51] <BluesKaj> it's my pov ...encrypt if you must but make sure you know how to remove it first
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2385 [15:22:27] <webmind> BluesKaj: due to encrypting a partition or a broken partman? :)
2386 [15:22:29] <webmind> I know how
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2388 [15:22:37] <webmind> I'm trying to test the usability of partman
2389 [15:22:53] <BluesKaj> well, have fun
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2392 [15:23:29] <Lina16> hi
2393 [15:23:32] <webmind> lo
2394 [15:23:44] <Lina16> I need to share folder in KVM
2395 [15:23:46] <Lina16> Help plz
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2399 [15:24:36] <Lina16> friends?
2400 [15:25:24] <hwangbj> Hello~
2401 [15:25:26] * webmind doesn't use kvm
2402 [15:25:34] <jelly> Lina16: which side of kvm is debian? guest? host? both? What do you want to share and with whom?
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2406 [15:26:02] <Lina16> host - mint based ubuntu based debian
2407 [15:26:13] <Lina16> gues - debian
2408 [15:26:45] <Lina16> need to share folder
2409 [15:26:47] <jelly> consider using sshfs, it's not the fastest but it's the safest, and it usually works on any server that has openssh server installed
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2411 [15:27:10] <jelly> or some other sftp client (like /usr/bin/sftp, or filezilla)
2412 [15:27:27] <Lina16> friends?
2413 [15:28:01] <dionysus69> for example acronis has an ability to clone vhd to hard drive, does clonezilla have such ability to clone either VDI, VMDK or VHD to hard drive?
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2415 [15:28:16] <dionysus69> if yes can anyone point me to an article because I couldnt find it through google :\
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2417 [15:28:39] <jelly> Lina16: consider using sshfs, it's not the fastest but it's the safest, and it usually works on any server that has openssh server installed
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2419 [15:31:47] <Lina16> please
2420 [15:32:00] <Lina16> no need sshfs
2421 [15:32:02] <jelly> please what?
2422 [15:32:10] <Lina16> see replaced-url
2423 [15:32:11] <jelly> what's wrong with it?
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2431 [15:36:09] <cronicx> Hey guys, in an .deb file, there is a control data for depencys. Is it possible to generate a deb file for wheezy and jessie? Because the .deb that i created installs the depencys only in jessie.
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2440 [15:37:48] <Lina16> help please!
2441 [15:38:29] <jelly> !ask
2442 [15:38:30] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
2443 [15:38:46] <jelly> Lina16: be more specific if you can, please.
2444 [15:39:15] <Lina16> host - mint based ubuntu based debian
2445 [15:39:19] <Lina16> gues - debian
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2447 [15:39:54] <Lina16> need to share folder like in VBox
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2454 [15:43:07] <jelly> Lina16: and what happened when you tried configuring it like suggested on that web page?
2455 [15:43:44] <Lina16> I not tried
2456 [15:43:57] <Lina16> I not see this tab in GUI
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2458 [15:44:14] <Lina16> Filesystem
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2476 [15:53:47] <jhutchins_wk> !mint
2477 [15:53:48] <dpkg> Linux Mint is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Please use their forums at replaced-url
2478 [15:54:35] <jelly> jhutchins_wk: yes we know mint is not debian
2479 [15:54:43] <jelly> debian, however, is debian
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2482 [15:56:26] <jhutchins_wk> jelly: Ah, I see debian guest.
2483 [15:56:37] <jhutchins_wk> What hypervisor, assuming it's NOT vbox?
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2488 [15:57:47] <colo-work> stretch doesn't have secure boot support in the same way that ubuntu and fedore have, right?
2489 [15:57:50] <colo-work> fedora*
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2493 [15:59:29] <jhutchins_wk> colo-work: Secure Boot was developed specifically to prevent people from running Linux.
2494 [16:01:06] <petn-randall> jhutchins_wk: I wouldn't go that far with the statement.
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2497 [16:01:57] <petn-randall> colo-work: secure boot is not a release goal, meaning the release won't be postponed for it to finish. It'll likely be supported with a later point release, though.
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2500 [16:02:50] <colo-work> petn-randall, thanks
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2560 [16:27:14] <Ney> Hi, I got an old NAS server running Wheezy (in some sort of emdedded version), and the userinterface reports that 95% of root is used. which seems rather unusual. Is there an easy way (CLI) to troubleshoot this?
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2563 [16:28:45] <colo-work> du -chx / | sort -h
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2568 [16:30:21] <_KaszpiR_> probably logs and cache
2569 [16:30:46] <_KaszpiR_> you may be interested in ncdu package
2570 [16:30:53] <_KaszpiR_> (if available, though)
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2575 [16:32:16] <jelly> or du -x / > du-x-root.$(date -I); sort -n < du-x-root.$(date -I) | tail -40
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2577 [16:33:12] <jelly> (why a temporary file? Because that du may take very long and avoiding to run a second time to explore more details may be beneficial)
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2581 [16:34:08] <frostschutz> mkdir /mnt/root, mount --bind / /mnt/root, ncdu /mnt/root -- finds hidden files under other mounts, which -x skips
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2587 [16:36:41] <Ney> think the first might be a clue
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2590 [16:36:55] <Ney> somehow my squeezebox stores 1.8gb in artwork o.O
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2598 [16:38:39] <jhutchins_wk> petn-randall: The goals of secure boot changed, it was originally meant to lock systems down to Windows only.
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2640 [17:03:33] <choice> Hello! Where on the disk is the Gnome trashcan for root?
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2645 [17:04:23] <fatalerrors> i know it's not the subject but i must act: replaced-url
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2650 [17:05:53] <Ney> Thanks for the tips, think it did the trick, silly apps that makes a mess....
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2659 [17:07:30] <SerajewelKS> choice: a better question is why are you running a graphical environment as root :/
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2662 [17:08:15] <fatalerrors> SerajewelKS: a so good question :)
2663 [17:08:19] <peterandre> hello
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2667 [17:08:56] <peterandre> i'm posting php variables to bash scripting (this works ) but when i use the script it won't let me use useradd $username
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2669 [17:09:11] <peterandre> what would be the best one liner option for this
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2679 [17:13:56] <SerajewelKS> peterandre: it's hard to say without your code. likely the problem is that you are not root.
2680 [17:14:08] <peterandre> yea
2681 [17:14:16] <peterandre> it uses admin
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2683 [17:14:42] <choice> *phew* i found it :)
2684 [17:14:44] <petn-randall> peterandre: You should take a step back and think hard about the problem if your solution is to run PHP code as root.
2685 [17:14:45] <choice> /mnt/myexternaldisk/.Trash-0/
2686 [17:15:03] <petn-randall> choice: Why are you running Gnome as root in the first place?
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2688 [17:15:39] <choice> petn-randall: Because I like it.
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2692 [17:15:58] <choice> What is the stuff in the info/ folder of the trash?
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2696 [17:16:43] <peterandre> i see, im trying to add a user with useradd from php posted variables.. im using putenv("USERNAME=$username");
2697 [17:16:43] <peterandre> and putenv("PASSWORD=$password"); to post the variables . then $cmd = './test.sh';
2698 [17:16:43] <peterandre> echo "<br><br>";
2699 [17:16:44] <peterandre> $output = exec($cmd); to run the script
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2705 [17:17:08] <petn-randall> choice: Are you running Parrot?
2706 [17:17:14] <SerajewelKS> choice: you can do what you want, but running a graphical environment as root is extremely dangerous
2707 [17:17:30] <petn-randall> *not supported.
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2709 [17:17:36] <SerajewelKS> that too
2710 [17:17:45] <choice> Hmm.. info/ is trash related metadata.
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2712 [17:18:05] <petn-randall> choice: Are you running Kali or Parrot?
2713 [17:18:15] <choice> petn-randall: Nope.
2714 [17:18:25] <choice> petn-randall: What are those?
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2716 [17:18:49] <petn-randall> choice: Distros where people tend to run everything as root due to not knowing better.
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2718 [17:20:01] <SerajewelKS> nothing says "please pwn my box" like running a web browser as a privileged user
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2725 [17:20:32] <petn-randall> ... with Adobe Flash :)
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2734 [17:22:53] <tw> What do other people use to keep chromium addons up to date if the addon is not in apt?
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2737 [17:23:28] <jhutchins_wk> tw: Just use the internal mechanism.
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2739 [17:23:45] <jhutchins_wk> tw: It should notify you if there are updates.
2740 [17:25:57] <tw> Oh, weird, last time I tried this, it wouldn't let me install addons from the chrome store but it works properly now.
2741 [17:26:01] <tw> This is much better.
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2749 [17:30:15] <prompt32> Hello. I have a debian8/i386 system. My question is, if i can update this to an amd64 arch, without the need of reinstall .
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2766 [17:34:22] <petn-randall> prompt32: There is, but it's super hacky, and it's very easy to hose your system at any of those steps. The safer and better approach is to backup your data and do a clean 64bit stretch install.
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2768 [17:34:57] <jhutchins_wk> prompt32: I did that recently and ended up doing a clean install instead.
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2773 [17:36:06] <prompt32> thanks both, my logic seems to think the same, .... ;)
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2817 [17:49:27] <donofrio> is CrossGrading (replaced-url
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2831 [17:56:26] <donofrio> does anyone crossgrade?
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2833 [17:56:56] <tw> donofrio: that will probably only work from x86 -> amd64; note it says you must be running a kernel that supports both userspace architectures.
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2846 [18:00:35] <kolnpole> latest chrome version is not working?
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2850 [18:01:04] <kolnpole> i can load urls in indigo mode but in normal mode nothing works
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2853 [18:01:48] <petn-randall> kolnpole: Chrome from Google? Or Chromium from the Debian repos?
2854 [18:01:59] <kolnpole> chrome from google
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2856 [18:02:05] <donofrio> tw, I'm just after the packages don't want or need the kernel
2857 [18:02:29] <petn-randall> kolnpole: I'd guess that one of your plugins is breaking it, since they're by default off in incognito mode.
2858 [18:02:29] <kolnpole> google-chrome-stable (59.0.3071.86-1)
2859 [18:02:43] <kolnpole> chromium is working fine
2860 [18:03:01] <petn-randall> kolnpole: Also, what do you mean exactly with "nothing works"? Try to describe the problem.
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2863 [18:03:55] <tw> donofrio: x86 kernel can't run amd64 packages. If you just want the list of packages, maybe apt-mark showmanual instead?
2864 [18:04:10] <kolnpole> loads url for ever and i cant even see any thing loading on left bottom corner .. like exteblishing connections , resolving host etc
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2866 [18:05:23] <kolnpole> but switching to incognito makes it to start work i can load urls etc
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2873 [18:07:07] <petn-randall> kolnpole: I see. Try deactivating all extensions then and see if it works then.
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2877 [18:08:49] <kolnpole> i also thought about extansions when it stoped working but no luck
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2881 [18:10:05] <kolnpole> its just creating alot of processes which doesnt terminate after chrome is closes what is nacl_helper?
2882 [18:10:31] <kolnpole> and the processes have status of sleeping and zombie lol
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2914 [18:29:12] <eyJhb> I have a debian jessie server, which has huge packets that drops, when I ping it (around 10%). I've tried differen ethernet cards, and checked that the drivers are correct, but still a huge packet drop. Pinged 2 others servers at the same time, with 0 packet loss. Same switch, internal network.. Any ideas?
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2925 [18:34:38] <tripkin> Have you checked the cables?
2926 [18:34:50] <tripkin> eyJhb, ^^^^
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2928 [18:35:48] <c0def4ce> hey guys could anyone recommend a way to use a USB dongle for texts/possibly calls as well? I'm running Kali, sorry - pretty much a n00b out here -.-
2929 [18:36:42] <petn-randall> !kali
2930 [18:36:42] <dpkg> Kali Linux (replaced-url
2931 [18:36:49] <petn-randall> c0def4ce: Try asking in their channel. ^^^
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2933 [18:37:12] <jhutchins_wk> donofrio: It's probably best to install a clean base system and add stuff as you need it.
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2936 [18:37:32] <jhutchins_wk> donofrio: You could also work from a manual list - read entries, add the ones you know you need.
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2939 [18:38:31] <c0def4ce> petn-randall it was my second resort - I thought their might be a fork or something from the debian repo, although I can't pick nothing up on Git
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2943 [18:39:09] <petn-randall> c0def4ce: Yes, Kali is a fork from Debian. And has it's own support channel.
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2945 [18:39:42] <donofrio> jhutchins_wk, so a migration from one arch type to another is not something that anyone does here? I'm only talking about packages not kernel objects...just sayin
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2947 [18:39:48] <petn-randall> * its
2948 [18:40:27] <kolnpole> can i import bookmarks and settings from chrome to chromium?
2949 [18:40:27] <donofrio> jhutchins_wk, what if you have a 32 bit system and you buy a 64 bit system how would you migrate that package setup from one arch type to the new arch type fresh system?
2950 [18:40:38] <c0def4ce> I'll hit their channel up, thanks man
2951 [18:40:44] <jhutchins_wk> donofrio: You don't want to blindly copy over packages that might be architecture specific, you have a chance to loose cruft you installed but don't use.
2952 [18:40:49] <kolnpole> cuz i onlu see option of importing from firefox
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2955 [18:42:13] <jhutchins_wk> kolnpole: Use a compatible file format for the export.
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2958 [18:43:11] <jhutchins_wk> donofrio: I recently did that (was actually running 32b on 64b hardware). I tried the crosgrade process and ended up with a lot of broken packages, so I did a clean install.
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2966 [18:47:01] <tripkin> kolnpole, they read the same info, so you could copy the profile from one to the other. Works fine
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2985 [18:55:39] <dionysus69> when I cloned my virtual machine debian jessie to a hard drive, I got system error at the time when gnome was supposed to startup
2986 [18:55:53] <dionysus69> i am able to boot in maintenance mode
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2989 [18:56:29] <dionysus69> from grub, and it works, how do i troubleshoot what went wrong during the boot process? I checked fstab and UIDs are fine, what else should I check while cloning from virtual to physical?
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2991 [18:57:02] <eyJhb> tripkin, 2 different network cards with two different cables (currently running at the same time). THink I'm on like that fifth cable, and secound switch :)
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2994 [18:57:20] <eyJhb> But it doesnt seem to drop pings when i ping FROM the box..
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3003 [18:59:30] <tripkin> No idea, then. Sorry.
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3025 [19:05:24] <eyJhb> tripkin, quite alright! Thanks for your time anyways :)
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3058 [19:16:24] <jhutchins_wk> tripkin: Anything in the queues? Packet errors? Is there a load on the system?
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3061 [19:16:59] <tripkin> jhutchins_wk, that would be for eyJhb ...
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3063 [19:17:02] <jhutchins_wk> dionysus69: I wonder if your initramfs is still loading modules for the VM instead of the hardware.
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3066 [19:17:23] <jhutchins_wk> tripkin: Yes, sorry.
3067 [19:17:35] <tripkin> No problem-o!
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3077 [19:21:58] <dionysus69> jhutchins_wk: I don't know, but in that case it shouldnt boot at all right
3078 [19:22:10] <dionysus69> I am able to boot in troubleshooting mode from grub
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3080 [19:22:49] <dionysus69> and boots all the way to user, i am able to do pretty much everything, just when I do startx the same error pops up, whether I am root user or regular user
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3101 [19:30:19] <jhutchins_wk> dionysus69: I know it's an edge concept, but what the error actually says might be of some interest.
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3105 [19:31:45] <nickgaw> Hi, I am trying to compile android and have adb and fastboot installed it tells me to install javacc but should not lots more packages get installed besides just one or two?
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3108 [19:32:47] <kion> I have this message error in several places, Failed to load module "canberra-gtk-module" How can I fix this?
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3114 [19:34:00] <velix> When will Debian Buster be released?
3115 [19:34:06] <velix> Can't wait anymore :D
3116 [19:34:10] <velix> Sorry, just trolling :)
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3118 [19:34:59] <velix> /msg dpkg jessie->stretch;
3119 [19:34:59] <dionysus69> jhutchins_wk: don't remember exactly but something along these lines with full grey screen with black text and sad smiley, system was unable to start contact the system administrator
3120 [19:35:04] <velix> /msg dpkg jessie->stretch
3121 [19:35:14] <greycat> no space before /msg
3122 [19:35:26] <velix> greycat: and no ";" after :)
3123 [19:35:33] <dionysus69> I think the error message was with the gnome shell "theme" so atm intuition tells me it's because of the gnome shell
3124 [19:35:54] <jhutchins_wk> dionysus69: Well, if it runs in console mode that's good.
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3126 [19:36:16] <dionysus69> I have tried using tasksel to delete gnome and install xfce but i got the same error
3127 [19:36:16] <jhutchins_wk> dionysus69: You can at least check the logs and such.
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3132 [19:38:43] <nickgaw> why do people not suggest cvs anymore for version control?
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3134 [19:40:42] <greycat> google says replaced-url
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3147 [19:46:42] <dionysus69> jhutchins_wk: don't know what to look for, I went for dmesg and noticed couple red lines but nothing specific that I would be able to understand
3148 [19:47:07] <dionysus69> I am backing up one vm with clonezilla and going to restore to another
3149 [19:47:15] <dionysus69> see if I can recreate problem on VM level
3150 [19:47:45] <jhutchins_wk> dionysus69: It sounds like /var/log/Xorg.0.log might be of interest.
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3152 [19:48:30] <jhutchins_wk> nickgaw: Some people switched because git was the new shiney, but mostly cvs wasn't under much development and git worked a lot better in broader usage.
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3161 [19:50:36] <velix> Is there a nice mail server for debian, which stores mails as files and NOT inside a mysql DB ?
3162 [19:50:57] <greycat> ... all of them.
3163 [19:51:05] <jhutchins_wk> velix: Sendmail
3164 [19:51:27] <velix> jhutchins_wk: oh, I thought, it's not used anymore for real E-Mails.
3165 [19:51:31] <velix> greycat: I think about qmail
3166 [19:51:40] <greycat> Local mail delivery is to either a single monolithic file ("mbox format"), or to a "mail folder" with one message per file ("Maildir format", or older formats). Nobody delivers to mysql. Nobody.
3167 [19:51:40] <velix> greycat: but I've seen mysql howtos only
3168 [19:51:56] <velix> greycat: I want "internet" mail ;)
3169 [19:52:04] <greycat> qmail delivers either to Maildir (natively), or through a pipeline to e.g. procmail if you want mbox format
3170 [19:52:18] <velix> greycat: okay, I need more reading on this. thanks
3171 [19:52:29] <greycat> You are probably being very very confused because you are looking at setups that store *user accounts* in mysql. Not the mail itself.
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3174 [19:52:53] <velix> greycat: Yeah, some want a unix user, some want mysql ... you're right.
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3176 [19:53:03] <velix> greycat: actually, I want a catch-all mailadress and IMAP ;)
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3178 [19:54:24] <jhutchins_wk> velix: imap is a separate component, often handled by dovecot.
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3180 [19:54:41] <velix> jhutchins_wk: okay, I need MUCH more reading.
3181 [19:55:01] <jhutchins_wk> greycat: I don't know why you wouldn't store the actuall messages in mysql. I haven't seen it, but people put EVERYTHING in mysql or pgsql.
3182 [19:55:20] <greycat> for starters, your IMAP daemon wouldn't know how to read it
3183 [19:55:20] <jhutchins_wk> velix: Yeah, running an exposed mailserver does mean a lot of readng.
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3185 [19:55:41] <greycat> nor would your local MUA
3186 [19:55:50] <velix> jhutchins_wk & greycat: maybe I can find someone on freelancer, who can setup a server for me.
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3188 [19:56:24] <dionysus69> so far I haven't been able to setup working email
3189 [19:56:34] <dionysus69> I have tried about 3-4 times with 3 4 different tutorials
3190 [19:56:55] <dionysus69> thing is I want to be using postgresql, postfix and dovecot
3191 [19:57:21] <ompaul> velix: have fun reading this and other good things: replaced-url
3192 [19:57:39] <divious1> hello everyone
3193 [19:57:44] <velix> ompaul: is it up to date? everytime, I've visited the wiki, I stuck somewhere :(
3194 [19:57:57] <divious1> long time linux mint user decided to jump ship to parrotsec/debian
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3198 [19:58:51] <ompaul> velix: it is as up date as last year with EXIM
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3203 [19:59:43] <ompaul> velix: bottom line start off with postfix - then fix it up later then you can drag your mail onto the imap server from inside thunderbird or some such
3204 [20:00:05] <jhutchins_wk> It has apparently been done. mailsteward, dbmail.
3205 [20:00:07] <ompaul> kind of makes sense to build on your knowledge get each part exactly as you want it
3206 [20:00:18] <dionysus69> jhutchins_wk: restoring image to VM worked successfully.
3207 [20:00:19] <velix> ompaul: yeah, I've understood this. I'll read some more HowTos. Thanks for your hinters.
3208 [20:00:33] <jhutchins_wk> velix: If you're going to run it, it's better to build it yourself so you understand how it fits together.
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3210 [20:00:58] <jhutchins_wk> velix: You might just want to pay google or somebody to run it for you.
3211 [20:01:24] <eyJhb> jhutchins_wk, no clue anout queues, and packet errors, just using the basic ping tool to see how many get though. But not really any server load at all
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3216 [20:01:48] <eyJhb> 8 threads at 0-1%
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3222 [20:03:39] <webmind> I installed debian 9 next to qubes, now I can't boot to cubes anymore
3223 [20:03:53] <webmind> can anyone help me to get qubes back in the grub menu?
3224 [20:03:56] <jhutchins_wk> eyJhb: /sbin/ifconfig should show you some stats.
3225 [20:04:04] <webmind> update-grub2 doesn't see it
3226 [20:04:10] <jhutchins_wk> eyJhb: ethtool gives some other info.
3227 [20:04:11] <greycat> webmind: make sure os-prober is installed, and re-run update-grub
3228 [20:04:26] <webmind> greycat: it's installed
3229 [20:04:30] <jhutchins_wk> eyJhb: dmesg and /var/log/syslog are worth considering.
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3231 [20:04:46] <eyJhb> jhutchins_wk, ifconfig says 2 dropped, everything else is 0
3232 [20:04:52] <webmind> update-grub is not finding qubes still
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3235 [20:05:11] <jhutchins_wk> eyJhb: Watch that, see if it goes up.
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3237 [20:05:34] <eyJhb> Been pinging for 2 hours jhutchins_wk, it doesn't change
3238 [20:05:56] <eyJhb> and nothing in the logs.. :/
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3240 [20:06:36] <eyJhb> jhutchins_wk, what args for ethtool?
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3242 [20:08:12] <eyJhb> ethtool displays none dropped, errors, missed, etc..
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3246 [20:09:42] <jhutchins_wk> eyJhb: How do you know the card is good?
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3249 [20:10:19] <eyJhb> jhutchins_wk, one is internal, cant test it. The other one i might test, but havent yet
3250 [20:10:35] <eyJhb> just seems od..
3251 [20:10:47] <eyJhb> but it seems like the way forward
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3261 [20:14:00] <nickgaw> How do I stop all low level kernel messages being printed to the consoles and just logd like normal as I have that line in /etc/sysctl.conf uncommented but still I get some of them?
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3263 [20:14:44] <webmind> os-prober btw does not have man page and does not give any output
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3268 [20:15:54] <nickgaw> the levels in that line are 3 4 1 3.
3269 [20:16:13] <greycat> webmind: os-prober is a package, not a command you can run
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3271 [20:16:28] <greycat> there's /usr/share/doc/os-prober/README
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3273 [20:17:05] <webmind> that says that it's a command :)
3274 [20:17:14] <webmind> 'and then run the os-prober command'
3275 [20:18:00] <greycat> Hmm, ok. Then the lack of a man page may be a real bug.
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3277 [20:18:22] <webmind> there are even arguments one can give
3278 [20:18:43] <jhutchins_wk> webmind: Is qubes supposed to be multi-boot/grub compatible?
3279 [20:18:45] <webmind> for linux boot one needs to run in on a root partition
3280 [20:18:55] <webmind> jhutchins_wk: it uses grub itself, I don't see why not
3281 [20:18:59] <webmind> it's just a xen setup
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3283 [20:19:26] <webmind> but os-prober seems to need a root partition, but I only have /boot partitions available
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3286 [20:20:19] <webmind> it doesn't even recouldnize my own debian installation
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3300 [20:25:32] <jhutchins_wk> webmind: Yeah, you'll need to mount the rest of the system for the system to run properly, /boot is not enough.
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3305 [20:25:52] <jhutchins_wk> webmind: You might try getting qubes' grub to recognize debian.
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3307 [20:26:20] <jhutchins_wk> webmind: Or look at qubes' grub config and copy the appropriate section.
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3321 [20:32:48] <webmind> jhutchins_wk: the first bit requires getting qubes to work :)
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3323 [20:33:26] <RedMercury> anyone using freeipa client on debian here?
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3325 [20:34:41] <webmind> jhutchins_wk: mounting the partition and with /boot mounted in it
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3329 [20:35:42] <webmind> doesn't make update-grub find it thoughj
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3334 [20:37:24] <SaltySolomon> Is there any Debian Version/Derivative that would run well on my 14 inch 1440p laptop, I tried gnome 3, but the scaling is terrible :/
3335 [20:37:59] <greycat> You should be asking which desktop environment or window manager, not which operating system.
3336 [20:38:54] <greycat> It may also be worth checking whether X is running at the correct resolution in the first place. xdpyinfo | grep dimensions
3337 [20:38:55] <SaltySolomon> Well, it will end in the same with me because I really don't want to install one by hand
3338 [20:39:23] <webmind> SaltySolomon: xfce or mate are fairly light
3339 [20:39:36] <SaltySolomon> It, was the issue was that 1 time scaling made everything way too small but 2 times scaling made everything waaaay too big
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3342 [20:40:27] <jer0me> then scale 1.4
3343 [20:40:36] <SaltySolomon> Can't isn't supportet
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3349 [20:42:36] <ForceRecon> anyone have any documentation to make TOR the default web browser in debian when clicking a url in email or more importantly IRC?
3350 [20:43:47] <greycat> neither my email MUA nor my IRC client does anything at all when I "click" a "link"
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3352 [20:44:08] <greycat> If I want to open the crap-links that people spam here, I have to copy/paste one from the IRC client into a web browser.
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3356 [20:45:03] <LtL> greycat: even a right click doesn't display choices?
3357 [20:45:52] <greycat> Right click highlights a huge swath of multiple lines. I'm not sure how it decides where to start/stop.
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3361 [20:47:11] <webmind> copy-paste not working with vim and mate-terminal....
3362 [20:47:18] <jhutchins_wk> SaltySolomon: You might look into optimizing your graphics drivers.
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3365 [20:47:53] <webmind> ah like that
3366 [20:47:57] <SaltySolomon> Please not anything over the top complicated :/
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3373 [20:50:11] <nix64bit> whats the sexiest media player on nix? Using Mplayer and vlc
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3380 [20:53:24] <jhutchins_wk> SaltySolomon: Doesn't sound like you're really into learning linux.
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3382 [20:54:12] <SaltySolomon> jhutchins_wk Lets just say, I want to use linux and not have to change a bazillion text files, recompile everything for it then not to work
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3385 [20:54:48] <greycat> It's not likely you'll have to compile anything.
3386 [20:54:51] <nix64bit> SaltySolomon: nix is power
3387 [20:55:26] <SaltySolomon> I really love to use linux as a server and use it there very often, but it just **** as a desktop
3388 [20:55:31] <greycat> The first step is to figure out what's actually wrong, if anything. My first suggestion was to check the resolution, and make sure it matches the native hardware display.
3389 [20:55:38] <SaltySolomon> I did
3390 [20:55:42] <nix64bit> not really
3391 [20:56:02] <SaltySolomon> Okay, what should I do?
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3393 [20:56:47] <greycat> If it were me, I would report back what the xdpyinfo
3394 [20:56:48] <webmind> jhutchins_wk: copy-pasting to/from grub.cfg works, but it'll break the next time there is a new kernel
3395 [20:57:00] <greycat> If it were me, I would report back what the xdpyinfo|grep command gave, and confirm "Yes, that is my LCD size" or "No, that is not my LCD size"
3396 [20:57:03] <nix64bit> nix is really not hard anymore
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3398 [20:57:14] <SaltySolomon> Until it is
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3400 [20:57:49] <nix64bit> do you want help?
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3404 [20:58:21] <webmind> qubes also doesn't see my debian partition
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3406 [20:59:05] <SaltySolomon> greycat It matches my actuall display resolution
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3409 [20:59:27] <greycat> That's good. That means you probably don't have to touch the video drivers.
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3411 [21:01:20] <SaltySolomon> Okay, so what should I try now?
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3413 [21:01:50] <greycat> What is "scaling"? What is the actual problem you're having?
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3422 [21:04:08] <SaltySolomon> In gnome you can change UI scaling (Window Scaling) and you have a choice between 1 and 2 , according to my research it has something to do with GTK
3423 [21:04:14] <SaltySolomon> And both aren't working for me
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3425 [21:04:23] <greycat> What are you trying to do?
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3428 [21:05:04] <SaltySolomon> Use the desktop enviroment with a scaling that is usualble, on the previous windows install I had 1.5 scaling
3429 [21:05:07] <jer0me> greycat: "resolution indenpendence", hidpi
3430 [21:05:27] <jer0me> SaltySolomon: have you tried using xrandr maybe?
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3435 [21:05:47] <jer0me> --scale 1.4x1.4 for instance or --scaling
3436 [21:06:00] <jer0me> --scale
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3451 [21:15:49] <jhutchins_wk> webmind: Need to put something in /etc/grub.d/ - read the files there to figure out what exactly.
3452 [21:16:43] <jhutchins_wk> SaltySolomon: It sounds like you may need to adjust the DPI (which I never figured out).
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3459 [21:18:32] <greycat> I googled this "hidpi" thing that jer0me mentioned, and it gave me an arch wiki page that talked about using some combo of gnome's integer scaling stuff and xrandr with non-integer stuff. *shrug*
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3464 [21:19:22] <greycat> I'm glad jer0me was able to read SaltySolomon's mind.
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3488 [21:27:29] <jer0me> well, I have one of those "retina" screens.
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3490 [21:27:49] <jer0me> I usually just pick a lower resolution.
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3492 [21:29:49] <ForceRecon> after installing TOR on debian it is not integrated into the system so when choosing your default app it is not listed. Is there any way to make TOR be your default browser in debian linux
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3494 [21:30:30] <greycat> I'm not even clear on what you think "default browser" means....
3495 [21:30:53] <greycat> Linux isn't like Windows. It doesn't have a global "default ___" that all programs can agree on.
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3497 [21:31:10] <ForceRecon> default browser = preferred application
3498 [21:31:18] <greycat> Preferred by what? GNOME apps?
3499 [21:31:21] <jhutchins_wk> ForceRecon: There might be a general setting in whatever desktop you're running. Sometimes it has to be set per app.
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3502 [21:31:56] <greycat> By the xdg-open command?
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3506 [21:32:20] <jhutchins_wk> mime types?
3507 [21:32:21] <ForceRecon> that is fine.. however, since it is not installed into the system but merely installed to a folder of your choosing, it is not in the preferred apllication list.
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3509 [21:32:52] <ForceRecon> sudo update-alternatives --install /usr/bin/x-replaced-url
3510 [21:32:57] <greycat> Oh, you are running something that is presenting a list? What thing are you running? Maybe it has some way to be configured.
3511 [21:32:58] <jhutchins_wk> ForceRecon: Ask tor.
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3513 [21:33:09] <ForceRecon> I found this but I do not want to try it and screw up the system
3514 [21:33:21] <ForceRecon> sudo update-alternatives --config x-replaced-url
3515 [21:33:21] <jhutchins_wk> ForceRecon: Make a backup.
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3519 [21:34:00] <ForceRecon> People in Tor just ignore you.. the op basically chooses what he feels like answering..
3520 [21:34:16] <ForceRecon> you guys are better
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3522 [21:34:27] <greycat> all that update-alternatives does is create or change a symlink inside /etc/alternatives/
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3525 [21:35:04] <ForceRecon> the thing is that I am not sure what the url should be.. and should it include all the information in the app link itself or just the folder?
3526 [21:35:27] <greycat> And for whatever it's worth, on my stretch system with no DE, /etc/alternatives/x-replaced-url
3527 [21:35:27] <glick> hey whats the command to install java on deb?
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3529 [21:35:32] <ForceRecon> home/Downloads/tor-browser_en-US/Browser/start-tor-browser" --detach || ([ ! -x "/home/Downloads/tor
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3534 [21:36:22] <greycat> And "man xdg-open" does not tell you where it gets its information.
3535 [21:36:26] <AciD`> hey, I installed a fresh debian on my laptop, where I previously had another distro, and an ecryptfs /home/user folder. I installed `ecryptfs-utils` but when I try to log as `user`, it fails. Manually though I can mount the unencrypted files with the `ecryptfs-mount-private` command. It then asks for my passphrase and everything is fine. Do you guys know how to update that passphrase so debian
3536 [21:36:31] <AciD`> will find it on its own?
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3541 [21:37:20] <jer0me> greycat: man xdg-settings
3542 [21:37:30] <jer0me> greycat: there is an example just to do that
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3544 [21:37:40] <jer0me> xdg-settings set default-web-browser google-chrome.desktop
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3546 [21:37:57] <jer0me> of course, you may need to write a !@# desktop file
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3550 [21:38:25] <greycat> Oh. I read "man xdg-settings" as far as "--list", then ran that, and it didn't tell me what the VALUES were.
3551 [21:38:29] <ForceRecon> thanks for the plentiful information I am going to try it all out and see what I can do.. thanks
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3557 [21:41:40] <jer0me> greycat: there are just so many ways to define a "preferred application", using mime-types, schemes, ... via mailcap, alternatives, ... that xdg decided on a nearly-xml file format to spice the whole mess up.
3558 [21:41:46] <greycat> So I run "xdg-settings get default-web-browser" and it says "firefox-esr.desktop" and then I run "locate firefox-esr.desktop" and it says "/usr/share/applications/firefox-esr.desktop" and then I look there to see what the other *.desktop files are.
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3560 [21:43:19] <jer0me> some could be in ~/$XDG_HOME/applications
3561 [21:43:20] <greycat> ... and to see umpteen different ways to translate "Firefox"
3562 [21:44:14] <glick> hey, once stretch is released in a couple of weeks how do i change to it as stable, since i am now running stretch as testing
3563 [21:44:31] <glick> by the way my wallpaper changes again lol
3564 [21:45:18] <jhutchins_wk> !jessie->stretch
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3566 [21:46:37] <borsin> glick: Verify your /etc/apt/sources.list is set to stable or stretch and not testing.
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3568 [21:47:05] <glick> cool thank sborsin
3569 [21:47:06] <greycat> s/stable or //
3570 [21:47:07] <glick> thanks
3571 [21:47:18] <jhutchins_wk> dpkg: jessie->stretch
3572 [21:47:18] <dpkg> Remember that Debian 9 "Stretch" is still pre-release and that security support will not always be timely. Read (at least) the upgrading chapter of the <stretch release notes> replaced-url
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3575 [21:47:57] <jhutchins_wk> borsin: If he's running jessie now, it's probably not set to testing.
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3580 [21:48:50] <borsin> jhutchins_wk: Well he said he's running stretch currently.
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3587 [21:49:27] <jer0me> glick: you may have nothing to do, but since stable has some specific "updates", "security" repos, maybe backports, you may want to add some sources
3588 [21:49:28] <dario> hi everybody
3589 [21:49:30] <jhutchins_wk> borsin: I should pay more attention, you're right.
3590 [21:49:34] <borsin> greycat: Sources.list will accept a blank? Or I'm misinterpreting.
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3592 [21:50:07] <glick> ah yes. thanks jer0me
3593 [21:50:10] <borsin> Blank for the release..
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3595 [21:50:15] <greycat> borsin: Do not put "stable" in there. I said that the advice to use "stable or stretch" should simply have been "stretch".
3596 [21:50:17] <glick> I HAD TO COMMENT THOSE OUT
3597 [21:50:19] <glick> FOR TESTING
3598 [21:50:27] <jhutchins_wk> borsin: You want the name of the release as opposed to stable, testing, unstable.
3599 [21:50:46] <jhutchins_wk> borsin: Otherwise when it releases you'll get the new testing instead.
3600 [21:51:04] <dario> I'm searching for managing battery status on my notebook (Lenovo Yoga), I wish the battery stays at a 50~60 % charging level, the notebbok is 'always on' and always connected to AC, so the - internal - battery will decrease its features if remaining always at 100% charge
3601 [21:51:12] <borsin> Ok. Makes sense. Although to stick with testing or unstable one would be better to stick to that naming. IMO
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3605 [21:51:36] <jhutchins_wk> dario: Not aware of anything that does that in linux.
3606 [21:51:40] <greycat> If you want to "stick with testing" across multiple release cycles, then you should be in #debian-next on OFTC, and not here.
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3609 [21:52:13] <glick> ls
3610 [21:52:14] <jhutchins_wk> dario: Battery memory is worst with ni-cads, laptop batteries aren't as bad. It's up to the hardware - often in the actual battery pack - to manage the charge.
3611 [21:52:15] <glick> opps
3612 [21:52:16] <glick> lol
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3620 [21:57:16] <dario> jhutchins_wk: Iknow, but LiIon battery will suffer too much while staying always at 100%, RCmodel batteries have a charging 'storage' mode to not damage their chemical stability; a previous notebook I had I saw the battery at 20% capacity after two years only(I always use notebook as a desktop computer, battery always cherged), so I think it might be very important to manage this problem, charging till 60% and discharging to 50%, even if AC is plugged on;
3621 [21:57:17] <dario> that's what happens in another Lenovo (Y-50-70) I have, but, as you say, not in Linux, is a Windows option
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3623 [21:58:09] <dario> I'm searching for a workaround to do so
3624 [21:58:48] <jer0me> dario: tlp has something like that for lenovo thinkpads
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3628 [22:01:15] <jer0me> dario: echo 40 | sudo tee /sys/devices/platform/smapi/BAT0/start_charge_thresh
3629 [22:01:18] <jer0me> ?
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3631 [22:01:45] <dario> jer0me: thanks, already installed, it refers to a kernel module working on Thinkpad only
3632 [22:02:40] <jer0me> dario: if tp-smapi-dkms supports your system, you can use /sys/devices/platform/smapi/BAT0/start_charge_thresh and /sys/devices/platform/smapi/BAT0/stop_charge_thresh
3633 [22:02:41] <tobiasBora> Hello,
3634 [22:02:42] <dario> jer0me: that file doesn't exist
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3636 [22:03:18] <jer0me> dario: you need to install tp_smapi from the tp-smapi-dkms if your system provides smapi
3637 [22:03:52] <dario> jer0me: and how may I test if my system provides smapi?
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3639 [22:04:13] <jer0me> dario: install the pkg, modprobe the module and check
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3641 [22:04:26] <jer0me> dmesg and so on
3642 [22:04:47] <tobiasBora> I'm trying to loop in shell on a multiline variable, line by line. In bash, I use read -r -d '' ALL_REGEXP << EOM ....my multiline variable.... EOM; while read file_regex; do ... ; done < <(echo "${ALL_REGEXP}")
3643 [22:05:06] <tobiasBora> However, in shell, the syntax < < does not exists
3644 [22:05:15] <tobiasBora> and read does not have the -d option
3645 [22:05:28] <greycat> tobiasBora: <() is a bashism. Won't work if your script is run by sh.
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3649 [22:06:51] <dario> jer0me: tp-smapi-dkms is already installed, and dmesg|grep smapi provides no results
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3652 [22:07:27] <jer0me> dario: is the driver loaded?
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3654 [22:07:55] <tobiasBora> greycat: yes, but do you have any solution for sh that do not create a new thread ?
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3656 [22:08:29] <greycat> tobiasBora: a temp file
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3658 [22:09:03] <tobiasBora> greycat: dirty, but should work, thank you
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3660 [22:10:15] <dario> jer0me: I don't know tha module's name, but lsmod | grep smapi gives nothing
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3663 [22:11:00] <mframe> Can anyone provide some insight on chromium flickering? I get flickering on certain sites when i launch from the desktop shortcut or cmd, but NOT when i open chromium by clicking a URL. As far as i can tell the commands and switches used to launch are the same in every scenario.
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3666 [22:11:28] <dario> jer0me: it seems it works with Thinkpad firmware
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3668 [22:12:55] <jer0me> dario: try to look for "battery charge threshold" for your device then :(
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3670 [22:13:34] <dario> jer0me: thanks, I'll search about, thank you for your kindness
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3676 [22:14:48] <tobiasBora> greycat: And do you have also a way to write: IFS=$tab read name regexp <<< "${file_regex}"
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3678 [22:15:43] <greycat> Move the read-with-two-variables to the place where you got the file_regexp content in the first place.
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3680 [22:16:34] <greycat> Otherwise, use parameter expansions to split the string manually. name=${file_regex%%$tab} and so on.
3681 [22:17:07] <tobiasBora> Hum great idea, thank you!
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3683 [22:17:23] <greycat> #bash covers sh scripting, by the way, even though we will grumble about it.
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3697 [22:25:09] <DammitJim> I just ssh'd into my box at home
3698 [22:25:16] <greycat> yay?
3699 [22:25:17] <DammitJim> and got the -bash-4.3$ prompt
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3701 [22:25:19] <DammitJim> what is that?
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3703 [22:25:21] <DammitJim> never seeing it
3704 [22:25:26] <greycat> It means your PS1 variable isn't set.
3705 [22:25:29] <DammitJim> googling doesn't seem to turn up much
3706 [22:25:35] <DammitJim> does it mean it got stuck?
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3708 [22:25:47] <DammitJim> I think we had a power outage last night
3709 [22:25:49] <greycat> It means that the dot files that were read during your ssh login never bothered changing the value of PS1.
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3711 [22:26:08] <DammitJim> oh
3712 [22:26:12] <greycat> Most likely because you created a ~/.bash_profile that doesn't source ~/.bashrc, or similar.
3713 [22:26:40] <DammitJim> oh man
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3715 [22:26:45] <DammitJim> -bash: /home/mach/.profile: Input/output error
3716 [22:26:53] <DammitJim> does it mean I have corrupted files?
3717 [22:27:03] <greycat> Check for hardware errors in dmesg.
3718 [22:27:03] <DammitJim> I was in this server last night working just fine before the power outage :(
3719 [22:27:22] <DammitJim> oh ok, but in this prompt, I can't do that, huh?
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3721 [22:27:30] <DammitJim> I'll have to be home to do this on the console...
3722 [22:27:37] <greycat> sudo or su, if you're on stretch
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3724 [22:27:47] <greycat> jessie or older, anyone can run dmesg
3725 [22:27:58] <DammitJim> -bash: /bin/su: Input/output error
3726 [22:28:09] <DammitJim> I think my hard drive is borked?
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3729 [22:28:31] <greycat> Maaaaaybe. Or maybe just massive file system corruption. Can't tell at the moment.
3730 [22:28:40] <DammitJim> so, I have to be home, huh?
3731 [22:28:50] <greycat> can you ssh in as root?
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3733 [22:28:57] <DammitJim> let me try
3734 [22:29:01] <DammitJim> I thought I had that disabled
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3736 [22:29:23] <DammitJim> yeah, I disabled it
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3742 [22:31:35] <ForceRecon> any chance i can get invited to debian-next
3743 [22:31:39] <knstn> usb flash drives can be used for swap?
3744 [22:31:47] <ForceRecon> I would like to see what is going on so close to the next release
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3746 [22:32:29] <awal1> !debian-next
3747 [22:32:29] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
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3751 [22:33:30] <ForceRecon> thx
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3754 [22:34:42] <greycat> (It's not as active as this channel, so don't expect excitement.)
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3759 [22:35:10] <DammitJim> yeah, + stretch is coming out soon ;)
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3761 [22:36:10] <glick> hey guys, i just notice something wierd happened on my desktop
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3765 [22:36:29] <glick> i just noticed a file on my desktop called sedal7Ow0
3766 [22:36:40] <glick> i cant see it from cmdline ls if i go to desktop
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3769 [22:37:26] <TomG2> i wonder if there's a dpkg infofact on breakins
3770 [22:37:46] <glick> any idea what that could be or where that comes from?
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3772 [22:38:11] <TomG2> no idea, do you want to run debsums to see if your ls has been wickedly replaced?
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3775 [22:38:30] <armin> glick: tried find $HOME/Desktop -iname "*sedal7Ow0*"
3776 [22:38:37] <TomG2> a pain in the butt to check to see if Debian has been broken into
3777 [22:39:01] <greycat> TomG2: or *any* other system
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3779 [22:39:26] <glick> armin: yep. nothin
3780 [22:39:40] <glick> maybe i need to log out and login again
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3784 [22:41:47] <glick> that was wierd
3785 [22:41:48] <glick> its gone now
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3787 [22:41:59] <greycat> It *sounded* like a temporary file.
3788 [22:42:05] <glick> yeah musta been
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3790 [22:42:10] <knstn> make a checksum script, run it cron
3791 [22:42:17] <greycat> !debsums
3792 [22:42:17] <dpkg> hmm... debsums is a utility that will check a package's files against their checksums. The "-a" argument will instruct it to also check configuration files: "aptitude install debsums; debsums -a -s". Most packages come with md5sums included in the package; if apt's package cache is clean, then generate missing sums with "aptitude reinstall `debsums -l`". Ask me about <md5sums>.
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3794 [22:42:22] <glick> odd place to put it on the desktop though
3795 [22:42:30] <Bliepo> glick: just in case, check whether all you packages are up to date
3796 [22:44:08] <knstn> does debsum save you in case package db gets corrupted?
3797 [22:44:30] <greycat> No.
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3800 [22:45:08] <greycat> if your /var/lib/dpkg/status is corrupt, there's /var/lib/dpkg/status-old. If that's corrupt, there's your previous full system backup.
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3803 [22:45:42] <jhutchins_wk> knstn: Backups.
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3810 [22:47:39] <knstn> i found the script for checksums of critical dirs like init,pam etc... but it calls other scripts which i can't find
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3813 [22:50:13] <webmind> where does one define which blockdevice grub gets installed on?
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3815 [22:50:25] <webmind> or is that just a one time grub-install ?
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3821 [22:51:08] <knstn> replaced-url
3822 [22:51:45] <greycat> what's the question?
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3824 [22:52:37] <greycat> I know what *my* question is: "why did they use a bash shebang and bashism in the function declaration when every other piece of the script is pure sh"
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3827 [22:53:13] <greycat> Plus all those missing quotes around "$SRC" on half the lines
3828 [22:53:24] <Bliepo> To make you cringe
3829 [22:53:53] <greycat> I suppose there might be bashisms in the dotted-in file.
3830 [22:54:00] <knstn> i don't know, could be practice ?
3831 [22:54:22] <greycat> It was a rhetorical question, really. The answer is "because they didn't know better".
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3833 [22:55:50] <greycat> The exit 200 is very peculiar as well. Exit codes above 127 are usually reserved for indicating "killed by a signal".
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3840 [22:58:09] <knstn> i know it's not perfect, but it demonstrates the idea of that you can check your system's integrity in an automated way, without using specialized software
3841 [22:59:02] <jhutchins_wk> knstn: Except the specialized set of scripts.
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3844 [22:59:39] <jhutchins_wk> knstn: Tripwire could be useful for that.
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3846 [23:00:33] <knstn> in case you use something like that and put in cron, remember to checksum the script it self, on a remote location
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3849 [23:01:32] <ForceRecon> how do you easily add a desktop icon to the panel?
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3852 [23:02:50] <bezaban> ForceRecon: generally today a lot of desktop environments (DE) use the /home/user/Desktop folder
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3854 [23:03:40] <moov> hello. i want to download a particular stretch kernel, version 4.6.0.1-amd64. under which folder in the debian repository can i find that specific one? thank you for your help!
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3856 [23:03:43] <bezaban> but there is an abstraction or a concept rather that differs from your 'usual' apple or microsoft experiences, your desktop environment may be different
3857 [23:04:03] <ForceRecon> I want to get it from the desktop to the panel. There is no option for add to panel
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3860 [23:06:24] <awal1> debsums: changed file /etc/initramfs-tools/initramfs.conf (from initramfs-tools-core package)
3861 [23:06:27] <awal1> so?
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3866 [23:06:49] <TomG2> hi moov
3867 [23:06:52] <frostschutz> awal1, so what?
3868 [23:07:04] <moov> hi
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3870 [23:07:11] <aura> Hello
3871 [23:07:14] <TomG2> moov: you can look at replaced-url
3872 [23:07:25] <TomG2> moov: or use apt-get --download-only install yourkernelhere
3873 [23:07:44] <moov> ah, great idea
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3875 [23:07:53] <TomG2> and check /var/ache/apt/archives
3876 [23:07:56] <TomG2> thanks
3877 [23:07:58] <awal1> frostschutz, what to do with that
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3879 [23:08:11] <moov> to browse the repository is horrible, i'm not experienced enough to pick the correct folders...
3880 [23:08:13] <aura> which irc client should i use? guys over #irc are telling me weird stuff and they use windows :-(
3881 [23:08:21] <greycat> *snort*
3882 [23:08:28] <moov> TomG2: great idea!
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3886 [23:08:37] <greycat> must be on a different network...
3887 [23:08:42] <bezaban> aura: the one you prefer. irssi, weechat, whatnot
3888 [23:08:46] <frostschutz> aura, mirc runs great with wine
3889 [23:08:51] <greycat> irssi and weechat are both quite popular
3890 [23:08:51] <bezaban> quassel, old but interesting
3891 [23:08:59] <bigMouthCommie> i thought i could just symlink ~/downloads/somethin2share to i thought i could just symlink ~/downloads/somethin2share to
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3893 [23:09:02] <bigMouthCommie> errr
3894 [23:09:04] <bezaban> bitchx if you really want..
3895 [23:09:10] <awal1> weechat is more featured
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3897 [23:09:15] <bigMouthCommie> i thought i could just symlink ~/downloads/somethin2share to /var/html/s2s but apparently no?
3898 [23:09:22] <aura> what about hexchat?
3899 [23:09:26] <bigMouthCommie> i didt try chmod -R 666 *
3900 [23:09:32] <bezaban> oh, there is no bitchx in debian anymore
3901 [23:09:35] <greycat> bigMouthCommie: your login user may not have permissions to write to /var/html/s2s
3902 [23:09:39] <bezaban> likely not at all
3903 [23:09:46] <greycat> bigMouthCommie: DO NOT chmod things to 666
3904 [23:09:53] <bigMouthCommie> :(
3905 [23:09:59] <bezaban> epic5 exits as an option
3906 [23:10:02] <awal1> aura, i peronally use hexchat. it is good
3907 [23:10:07] <bigMouthCommie> any help configging apache ?
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3909 [23:10:14] <bigMouthCommie> i get 403
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3911 [23:10:27] <bezaban> bigMouthCommie: be specific, state what you have tried and your config on paste.debian.net
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3913 [23:10:45] <greycat> If "didt" was "did", then you have utterly broken your directory, and you will have to undo it.
3914 [23:10:52] <greycat> If "didt" was "didn't" then ... phew!
3915 [23:11:12] <bigMouthCommie> i am running a stock apache2 install. i jsut symlinked in ~/Downloads/Something\ to\ share to /var/replaced-url
3916 [23:11:36] <bigMouthCommie> and then i chmod -R 666 *
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3918 [23:12:21] <awal1> 2 fingers for scroll up/down using touchpad is the default or what?
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3922 [23:14:48] <awal1> I guess that is the default since I haven't configured it manually since I only use a basic WM
3923 [23:15:04] <moov> TomG2: works! thank you!
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3925 [23:15:07] <awal1> but it is two "fast/sensible"
3926 [23:15:16] <ForceRecon> which folder do menu items reside in?
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3928 [23:15:26] <awal1> I don'ttoo
3929 [23:15:31] <awal1> oups
3930 [23:15:34] <ForceRecon> I actually need to add Tor to the menu first then I can add it to the panel
3931 [23:15:38] <awal1> it is too fast.
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3935 [23:16:36] <TomG2> moov, you're welcome
3936 [23:16:40] <awal1> I don't know what to modify exactly regarding synclient output
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3945 [23:20:24] <bigMouthCommie> bezaban: what config do you want to see?
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3949 [23:21:30] <bezaban> onfig
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3952 [23:21:47] <bezaban> oops.
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3956 [23:22:02] <bezaban> having highg latency
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3958 [23:22:19] <Tonk-freenode> Is this a valid method of back-up: using gparted to copy my / partion to a removeable hard drive? Sidequestion, will the copy be bootable as the original?
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3960 [23:22:32] <bigMouthCommie> latency between your kbd and display?
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3963 [23:23:10] <bezaban> bigMouthCommie: between my client and DC
3964 [23:23:15] <awal1> ok : VertTwoFingerScroll = 1 (and adjust MinSpeed = xxx and MaxSpeed = xxx)
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3968 [23:23:55] <bezaban> hetzner usually blackhole them pretty quickly, but no worries, going to bed now
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3974 [23:25:05] <bezaban> and lots of other nodes
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3980 [23:27:57] <bezaban> actually no, might be my isp messing up
3981 [23:28:07] <bigMouthCommie> replaced-url
3982 [23:28:07] <bigMouthCommie>
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3985 [23:29:02] <moov> TomG2: is it difficult, to install a new grub2 in a chroot environment (mounted image) ?
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3987 [23:29:15] <bezaban> bigMouthCommie: distribution?
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3991 [23:30:11] <bezaban> can the user runnig apache (ww-data/apache) access the entire serch path up to /var/replaced-url
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3993 [23:30:33] <bigMouthCommie> turns out, another channel told me i needed execution permissions, so i just 777 it
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3995 [23:30:43] <greycat> NOOOOOOOO
3996 [23:30:52] <greycat> *headdesk* *headdesk*
3997 [23:31:00] <bezaban>
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3999 [23:31:11] <bezaban> yay. 777y7 ftw
4000 [23:31:31] <bezaban> my connectivity is bad. I'll move and wait it out. Good luck.
4001 [23:31:36] <bigMouthCommie> k
4002 [23:31:41] <bezaban> quick
4003 [23:32:04] <bigMouthCommie> greycat: what's wrong with 777?
4004 [23:32:35] <bigMouthCommie> for that matter, why not 666 ? (altho that didn't work so that's a p. good reason not to do it)
4005 [23:32:47] <greycat> It removes all security completely. And also makes your random recipes and loves notes and My Little Pony slashporn executable.
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4009 [23:33:19] <bigMouthCommie> well we're just talking about an audiobook at this point
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4012 [23:33:41] <bigMouthCommie> and my username is same as my pass: user
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4014 [23:34:10] <bigMouthCommie> the only semblance of security i have is that the http and ssh ports aren't set to default at the router
4015 [23:34:12] <bezaban> replaced-url
4016 [23:34:36] <TomG2> moov: keep asking others, i don't know
4017 [23:34:43] <TomG2> or at least, i an't work on it right now
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4022 [23:35:45] <bezaban> bigMouthCommie: if you want to run a server you should learn these things, if you want to pay someone to do this for you that is also fine
4023 [23:36:13] <bigMouthCommie> i've been using ubuntu since 2k4. debian since just before jessie came out. frankly, i have NEVER had the patience to read about groups and permissions. 777 does the job i want, and it's not like i'm a bank.
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4025 [23:36:28] <RedMercury> haha
4026 [23:36:33] <bigMouthCommie> i don't even do internet banking
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4028 [23:36:34] <RedMercury> 'i irc as root'
4029 [23:36:40] <bigMouthCommie> sometimes
4030 [23:36:46] <bigMouthCommie> what do i care?
4031 [23:36:47] <RedMercury> stick it to the man, man
4032 [23:36:52] <bezaban> of course you have to learn, but 777 gives all permissions to user, group and OTHERS. You should likely read up on perms (if you ever did)
4033 [23:36:53] <RedMercury> they're not the boss of you
4034 [23:37:09] <RedMercury> you should use templeos instead
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4036 [23:37:39] <moov> TomG2: ok, thank you!
4037 [23:37:42] <bigMouthCommie> anyway... thanx for the help y'all. i'll put in some work l8r. right now, i just wanted to share this book...
4038 [23:37:46] <bezaban> never happened to me, so it must be fine. welcome to the security management of every shit company and person out there
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4040 [23:37:58] <bezaban> good luck
4041 [23:38:02] <TomG2> moov: i think it's a little tricky
4042 [23:38:24] <moov> TomG2: ok, i'll read the web first ...
4043 [23:38:41] <TomG2> sounds like a very good idea :)
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4048 [23:41:07] <bezaban> I was tipsy, now I'm having a scotch. looking forward to next ;)
4049 [23:41:22] <bezaban> but will be sleeping shortly
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