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0 [00:00:07] <Antares> русские есть?
1 [00:00:19] <Antares> а девченки?
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5 [00:02:45] <jelly> !ru
6 [00:02:46] <dpkg> Это английскоговорящий канал, пожалуйста, говорите по-английски или посетите #debian-russian (irc.freenode.net) (Russian speakers please go to #debian-russian)
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12 [00:04:50] <jvelasquez> my fresh copy of debian 9, gives an error when I load my word processor: vi: error while loading shared libraries: /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libm.so.6: invalid ELF header
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14 [00:05:27] <jvelasquez> libm.so.6 is a pointer to libm-2.24.so, which has some text in it.
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16 [00:05:52] <jvelasquez> what did I forget to install?
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18 [00:06:00] <jvelasquez> ld? libc6?
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24 [00:08:28] <Eduard_Munteanu> jvelasquez, when you try to start vi?
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26 [00:08:46] <teclo-> that's weird jvelasquez
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28 [00:09:08] <teclo-> if vi is there and you installed it using aptitude properly, all the dependencies should be there
29 [00:09:21] <Eduard_Munteanu> Text would be normal for a linker script, some libraries are wired like that. But some other linkers can't read it.
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67 [00:14:30] <jelly> jvelasquez: which word processor is it? What's the full path to the binary? What does "ldd /full/path/to/that/binary" say?
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76 [00:18:11] <jvelasquez> jelly, 12 lines.
77 [00:18:47] <jelly> I don't see how that answers any of my 3 questions. Sorry.
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80 [00:19:16] <jvelasquez> jelly, ldd `which vi`, says: vdso, libm, libtinfo, selinux, acl, gpm, dl, c, ld-linux, pcre, attr, pthread
81 [00:19:42] <jelly> pastebin the full output, please, and expand that `whcih vi` for us
82 [00:19:46] <jelly> !paste
83 [00:19:46] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: replaced-url
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90 [00:21:23] <jvelasquez> replaced-url
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93 [00:22:03] <Violinist> vim
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152 [00:48:49] <mgood7123_> or use bpaste.net
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163 [00:52:46] <mgood7123_> n im guessing it is cus libm-2.24.so is a corrupted library based on invalid elf header but i could be wrong
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174 [00:56:51] <mgood7123_> u could do dpkg -S /path/to/libm-2.2.so to find out what package that library belongs to, for example dpkg -S /lib/libhandle.so.1 tells me that the library /lib/libhandle.so.1 belongs to the package xfsprogs (and you can put more then one path in there aswell like dpkg -S /path/to/library1.so /path/to/library2.so and so on
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180 [00:58:51] <jvelasquez> mgood7123_, yea. it's part of libc6
181 [00:58:51] <mgood7123_> it also works for symlinks to the library as long as the symlinks are valid (if ls -l /path/to/symlink.so is grey background with red text that means the symlink is invalid in wich the file it is pointing to does not exist)
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183 [00:59:38] <jvelasquez> but i think if I had build-essentials or some that ld might be able to link libm from other libs on demand
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185 [00:59:48] <jvelasquez> mgood7123_, what's in your libm?
186 [01:00:21] <jvelasquez> cat /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libm-*
187 [01:00:26] <jelly> jvelasquez: if you have debsums installed, run "debsums libc6:amd64"
188 [01:00:42] <jvelasquez> did that yesterday
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190 [01:00:47] <jvelasquez> it's fine
191 [01:01:06] <jvelasquez> jelly, what does your libm look like?
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194 [01:01:33] <jelly> like a million dollars! What would it look like, it's a file
195 [01:01:53] <jelly> jvelasquez: dpkg -l libc6:amd64 | tail -n 1, which version do you have installed?
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198 [01:02:18] <jvelasquez> 2.23
199 [01:02:29] <jvelasquez> err, 2.24
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201 [01:02:33] <jvelasquez> something like that
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203 [01:02:37] <jelly> it's not just 2.24
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205 [01:03:03] <jelly> show the exact value
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208 [01:03:22] <jelly> or paste the whole line verbatim
209 [01:03:24] <jvelasquez> dpkg-query: error: failed to open package info file '/var/lib/dpkg/status' for reading: No such file or directory
210 [01:03:30] <jelly> ouch
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212 [01:04:06] <mgood7123_> wich can be fixed with ln -s /path/that/symlink/will/point/to /path/to/symlink for example ln -s /newfile /n will create a symlink /n that points to /newfile (note it will give error if the symlink already exists)
213 [01:04:14] <jelly> jvelasquez: your filesystem is corrupted. Possibly a hw issue (could be bad RAM or power supply, not necessarily bad disk)
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215 [01:04:31] <jvelasquez> jelly, I just installed it again a minute ago.
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217 [01:04:44] <jvelasquez> actually, it's still installing
218 [01:04:54] <groenne> lol
219 [01:04:59] <jelly> jvelasquez: '/var/lib/dpkg/status' is main dpkg database, if that's gone missing, you have issues.
220 [01:05:13] <jvelasquez> actually, it is there
221 [01:05:27] <jvelasquez> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 255417 May 31 23:01 status
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223 [01:05:50] <jelly> so... what does "dpkg -l libc6:amd64 | tail -n 1" say?
224 [01:05:55] <jvelasquez> strange, now the command works
225 [01:05:57] <jvelasquez> ii libc6:amd64 2.24-10 amd64 GNU C Library: Shared libraries
226 [01:06:15] <jelly> and which command did you do when "dpkg-query: error: failed to open package info file '/var/lib/dpkg/status' for reading: No such file or directory" happened?
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228 [01:06:25] <jvelasquez> jelly, same command
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230 [01:06:51] <jvelasquez> but I was reinstalling the whole thing, it's still going, ohh just finished.
231 [01:06:56] <jelly> jvelasquez: is there anything weird in dmesg (or last 200 lines of it, if there's too much)?
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234 [01:07:32] <jvelasquez> dmesg? that's going to give me the host's information.
235 [01:07:38] <jvelasquez> instead of the chroot's
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237 [01:07:57] <mgood7123_> mine is ii libc6:amd64 2.24-10 amd64
238 [01:08:07] <jvelasquez> is that sid?
239 [01:08:18] <jelly> yes, at this point I'm considering something may be weird with hardware, and kernel may show clues
240 [01:08:39] <mgood7123_> apart from that libm does not seem to exist even when i do dpkg -l libm*
241 [01:08:47] <jelly> mgood7123_: that's normal.
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243 [01:08:57] <jvelasquez> its dpkg -L libc6
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245 [01:09:32] <jelly> jvelasquez: does /usr/bin/vi work now?
246 [01:09:51] <mgood7123_> /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libm.so.6
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248 [01:10:10] <jvelasquez> jelly, here, you can install it too: replaced-url
249 [01:10:29] <mgood7123_> /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libm-2.24.so
250 [01:10:32] <jvelasquez> jelly, yep. vi works!
251 [01:10:38] <jelly> there's no chance in hell I'm going to run that
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254 [01:11:01] <jelly> jvelasquez: so something managed to corrupt at least that one file
255 [01:11:07] <jvelasquez> no.
256 [01:11:16] <jelly> or you have hw issues, which is worse
257 [01:11:23] <jvelasquez> all I did different was add build-essential
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261 [01:11:54] <jelly> or your environment is very weird and makes it look like there are corrupted files and/or hw issues
262 [01:12:11] <jvelasquez> you can see I added build-essential to line 92
263 [01:12:16] <cafuego> step 1: `dmesg`
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265 [01:12:43] * jelly asked for dmesg 10 minutes ago
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267 [01:13:02] <mgood7123_> if a package as <none> does that mean it is not installed
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269 [01:13:33] <jelly> jvelasquez: reinstalling may have masked this symptom for now, but you don't know the cause for that corruption
270 [01:13:34] <jvelasquez> mgood7123_, mean's it's not part of a package. but maybe created by a script
271 [01:13:50] <jvelasquez> jelly, i think i do.
272 [01:13:51] <mgood7123_> ok
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274 [01:14:14] <jvelasquez> jelly, ld builds that lib on first use, but needs build-essential to do it
275 [01:14:14] <jelly> installing other packages does not cause corruption in libc6
276 [01:14:42] <mgood7123_> on my system /usr/bin/vi -> /etc/alternatives/vi, /etc/alternatives/vi -> /usr/bin/vim.gtk
277 [01:14:53] <jelly> jvelasquez: uh... no, ld is a build-time linker, it's not called during runtime
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279 [01:15:21] <jelly> jvelasquez: and build-essential is _not_ needed for any libc6 component to work
280 [01:15:36] <mgood7123_> vim-gtk: /usr/bin/vim.gtk
281 [01:15:53] <jelly> and installing unrelated packages would not touch any files provided in libc6:amd64 package, normally
282 [01:15:54] <mgood7123_> ii vim-gtk 2:8.0.0197-3 amd64 Vi IMproved - enhanced vi editor
283 [01:16:10] <jvelasquez> jelly, yes it is. libm is repackaged using an ld build script.
284 [01:16:22] <mgood7123_> -L does not provide any libraries for it...
285 [01:16:24] <jelly> jvelasquez: repackaged by whom?
286 [01:16:29] <jvelasquez> packaged from two other libraries
287 [01:16:38] <jvelasquez> according to the build script
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289 [01:16:53] <groenne> mgood7123_, heresy
290 [01:17:12] <jelly> jvelasquez: you're not building glibc here.
291 [01:17:27] <mgood7123_> only /usr/bin/vim.gtk /usr/share/bug/vim-gtk/presubj /usr/share/bug/vim-gtk/script /usr/share/lintian/overrides/vim-gtk and /usr/share/doc/vim-gtk
292 [01:17:49] <jelly> jvelasquez: installation of packages does not involve any building, either. These files are pre-built. That's how binary package distros work...
293 [01:17:54] <mgood7123_> is that normal?
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295 [01:18:12] <jelly> jvelasquez: what build script are you talking about, precisely?
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297 [01:18:48] <jvelasquez> jelly, the ld build script. but I already built it. now I dont have it anymore.
298 [01:18:59] <jelly> jvelasquez: what ld build script?
299 [01:19:00] <jvelasquez> it's only three lines long
300 [01:19:09] <jelly> build script for what?
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304 [01:20:02] <mgood7123_> also how would i deal with multiple symlinks to the same file name but of different versions
305 [01:20:28] <jelly> jvelasquez: debootstrap will install libc6 as part of base system. It doesn't tamper with its files.
306 [01:20:29] <mgood7123_> for example libc.so.6 and libc.so.4
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308 [01:21:03] <mgood7123_> assuming both point to different versions of libc.so
309 [01:21:05] <jvelasquez> jelly: replaced-url
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311 [01:21:59] <jelly> jvelasquez: that's a symlink, part of libc6-dev package, and this symlink is not used by /usr/bin/vi
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313 [01:22:24] <jvelasquez> no. it's a 4 line text file.
314 [01:22:52] <jelly> oh, that's new
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317 [01:23:30] <jelly> jvelasquez: is it that way in Debian, tho?
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319 [01:23:46] <jvelasquez> yes
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321 [01:24:21] <mgood7123_> how would i deal with multiple symlinks to the same file name but of different versions, for example libc.so.6 and libc.so.4 both point to different versions of libc.so
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326 [01:24:55] <jelly> mgood7123_: you wouldn't have to deal with them.
327 [01:24:57] <jvelasquez> mgood7123_, those files are vital to your os
328 [01:25:21] <mgood7123_> then assume the lib is a non vital lib
329 [01:25:27] <jvelasquez> mgood7123_, make a virtual machine of it all, and then mess around with the virt
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332 [01:27:14] <mgood7123_> for example... /rootv6/lib/libEve.so and /rootv5/lib/libEve.so
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335 [01:27:24] <n_blownapart> hello I have deleted all files including hidden files related to haskell-stack, but when I do $ locate stack, stack hidden files and stack files in Downloads are outputted. I closed term, also tried rebooting. still they show up
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338 [01:27:55] <jvelasquez> n_blownapart, updatedb
339 [01:28:05] <jvelasquez> n_blownapart, will update the locate tool
340 [01:28:29] <mgood7123_> have u tried find /* | grep "files_related_to_haskell_stack" ?
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342 [01:29:20] <n_blownapart> mgood7123_, jvelasquez thanks checking that
343 [01:29:33] <mgood7123_> note iw will take a VERY long time as it needs to go through every single directory, folder, subdirectory and sub folder
344 [01:29:37] <mgood7123_> it*
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346 [01:30:15] <mgood7123_> but it can be shortened if u happen to know the directories in wich the files might be contained in
347 [01:30:21] <jelly> jvelasquez: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libm.so is still just a script here, and /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libm-2.24.so is not changed after installing libc6-dev:amd64
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349 [01:30:52] <n_blownapart> $ updatedb updatedb: can not open a temporary file for '/var/lib/mlocate/mlocate.db'
350 [01:31:22] <jvelasquez> jelly, you mean you have it too now?
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352 [01:31:39] <jvelasquez> n_blownapart, goot rot?
353 [01:31:59] <jelly> jvelasquez: I just installed libc6-dev:amd64. And it did not touch or change the file from libc6:amd64.
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355 [01:32:09] <at0m|c> n_blownapart: locate -e to show --existing
356 [01:32:23] <at0m|c> or updatedb as root ^^
357 [01:32:53] <jelly> jvelasquez: so... I have no idea what managed to munge /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libm-2.24.so on your end
358 [01:33:21] <jvelasquez> remove build-essential from line 92
359 [01:33:26] <jelly> this should not happen
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361 [01:34:59] <mgood7123_> how would i deal with multiple symlinks to the same file name but of different versions, for example libEve.so.8.0 and libEve.so.1.0 both point to different versions of libEve.so located in these directories /rootCurrent/lib/libEve.so and /rootOLD/lib/libEve.so and only one of them can be symlinked to usr folder at a time, how would i make it so both can be symlinked at the same time but not conflict due to version differences
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364 [01:35:22] <n_blownapart> still trying to interpret your advice , thanks
365 [01:36:31] <mgood7123_> and what should i do in the case that the path is hard linked in the binary as /usr/lib/libEve.so
366 [01:36:37] <jelly> mgood7123_: that's not how libraries work on linux. You wouldn't have libEve.so.8.0 and libEve.so.1.0 both point to different versions of libEve.so
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370 [01:37:24] <jelly> mgood7123_: if your library's versions have different, incompatible ABIs, they should have different SONAME
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373 [01:38:11] <jelly> mgood7123_: and when they have a different SONAME, those symlinks generated by ldconfig will each point to their own
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375 [01:38:15] <mgood7123_> technically libEve.so is in two different locations as i mentioned above but obviously they cannot occupy the same folder WITHOUT having different file names
376 [01:38:50] <doc|work> Hi, using debian under kubernetes+docker I get 'unknown filesystem type glusterfs' on boot, but it works fine when I use mount. Anyone know what might cause that?
377 [01:38:50] <jelly> mgood7123_: if you have two incompatible lib versions with same soname, then your vendor is an idiot
378 [01:38:59] <mgood7123_> lmao
379 [01:39:55] <jelly> mgood7123_: and you probably shouldn't symlink any of those into /usr/lib namespace use for packaged stuff
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381 [01:40:18] <jelly> that's what /usr/local/lib is for I guess
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383 [01:41:19] <mgood7123_> for example libEve.so version 10 may be compatible with the package "root" version 10 but may also not be compatible with the package "root" version 5 and vice versa libEve.so (version 5) may be compatible with "root" version 5 but not with "root" version 10
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385 [01:41:46] <jelly> mgood7123_: debian solves this by a) using different soname when ABI changes, and b) naming actual files libEve-10.so and libEve-5.so
386 [01:42:23] <mgood7123_> i know but in the case that the path is hardcoded into the binary itself how would i address that
387 [01:42:39] <jelly> mgood7123_: what does "ldd /path/to/10/root" actually say?
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389 [01:42:43] <username__> l
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391 [01:43:02] <n_blownapart> $ sudo locate updatedb . Then $ locate stack , I still get hidden files outputted : ~/.stack ~/.stack-work ~/stack.yaml ~/.local/bin/stack ... In ~/.local/bin there is nothing at all . how can that be coming up with $ locate stack ?
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393 [01:44:12] <n_blownapart> there are no hidden files with .stack after I do $ ls -a
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395 [01:45:00] <jelly> n_blownapart: does "locate stack" really show lines of output with ~ character in them?
396 [01:45:31] <mgood7123_> how do i find out what files are used in a lib
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399 [01:46:26] <n_blownapart> no is that incorrect shorthand for my home dir? /home/john/.stack is the output jelly
400 [01:46:37] <jelly> mgood7123_: ldd works on so library files as well.
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403 [01:47:12] <n_blownapart> /home/john/.stack-work etc
404 [01:47:17] <jelly> n_blownapart: alright then. And what does ls -la /home/john/.local/bin/ say?
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406 [01:47:31] <jelly> !paste
407 [01:47:31] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: replaced-url
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409 [01:48:02] <n_blownapart> one moment please jelly
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411 [01:48:27] <jelly> n_blownapart: note that "sudo locate updatedb" didn't update anything, it tried to find files with substring "updatedb" in current locate database.
412 [01:48:36] <mgood7123_> say the package xpdtest has libProof.so as a hardcodded path (wich in ldd gives libProof.so => not found)
413 [01:48:58] <mgood7123_> and both the package and lib are version 10
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415 [01:49:22] <jelly> n_blownapart: you probably wanted to run "sudo /etc/cron.daily/locate" or even "sudo updatedb"
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417 [01:49:50] <jelly> mgood7123_: please show the full output of ldd and the command itself
418 [01:49:55] <jelly> in a pastebin.
419 [01:49:59] <n_blownapart> jelly replaced-url
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421 [01:50:21] <mutante> jelly: it's 2 separate commands. first "updatedb" by itself to update the index. and then "locate something" to search it
422 [01:50:37] <jelly> mutante: that's not what they wrote
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425 [01:51:00] <slick>
426 [01:51:06] <jelly> <n_blownapart> $ sudo locate updatedb . Then $ locate stack , I still get hidden files outputted [...]
427 [01:51:08] <mutante> jelly: yea, and as you wrote what they wrote didn't work, so i wrote what should work instead
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429 [01:51:15] <mgood7123_> replaced-url
430 [01:51:18] <petemc> just learn to use find
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432 [01:51:27] <jelly> find is slow
433 [01:51:43] <n_blownapart> but I'm getting output for files that are *not* in the directories at all.
434 [01:52:06] <jelly> n_blownapart: that's because locate's database is out of date
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436 [01:52:31] <jelly> n_blownapart: your command to update locate's cache was incorrect, see above
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438 [01:52:42] <petemc> find may be slow but it's generally always available
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440 [01:52:53] <petemc> so worth learning
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442 [01:53:41] <petemc> not that i dont think you dont know that, jelly
443 [01:53:55] <jelly> mgood7123_: thne you call xpd with LD_LIBRARY_PATH set to the directory where correct copies of its libs are stored
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445 [01:53:58] <n_blownapart> jelly oh the dot? ok one sec
446 [01:54:02] <petemc> also, you're up late
447 [01:54:16] <jelly> that is true
448 [01:54:22] <jelly> woke up too early
449 [01:54:31] <jelly> (yes)
450 [01:54:34] <petemc> :)
451 [01:54:50] <fggfgfg> ps aux shows a SCREEN process from a month ago, why is it upper case? what does it mean?
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453 [01:55:23] <jelly> mgood7123_: try: "LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/path/where/10/lib/is ldd ./xpdtest"
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455 [01:55:34] <jelly> mgood7123_: just the directory
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460 [01:56:47] <jelly> fggfgfg: this is the master process that's keeping one of your screen sessions alive. You can list screen sessions with "screen -ls"
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462 [01:57:03] <Cyb3r-Assassin> anyone have sources.list available or write up to install a php5 based LAMP setup on a current Jessie system?
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464 [01:57:30] <jelly> dpkg, tell Cyb3r-Assassin about jessie sources.list
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467 [01:58:01] <n_blownapart> frustrating ! still getting those files
468 [01:58:07] <jelly> n_blownapart: you probably wanted to run "sudo /etc/cron.daily/locate" or even "sudo updatedb"
469 [01:58:44] <Cyb3r-Assassin> jelly: that doesn't have to do with providing a repo rsync string with a depricated packages.
470 [01:58:46] <wr> how can i see all file changes made between a time period on debian 8.8?
471 [01:59:00] <jelly> Cyb3r-Assassin: rsync?
472 [01:59:13] <jelly> deprecated what?
473 [01:59:19] <fggfgfg> jelly 20925.pts-0.ns3067615 (03/05/17 23:04:23) (Detached) <- can I see if it's running something? I don't think it's' being used for anything but I want to make sure before I kill it
474 [01:59:23] <n_blownapart> jelly thanks you RULE. sudo updatedb worked. I thought it required the command itself: locate. thanks!
475 [01:59:40] <Cyb3r-Assassin> jelly: that's how the packagemanager is going to sync the meta package list.
476 [02:00:00] <Cyb3r-Assassin> jelly: php5 is depricated package source.
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478 [02:00:08] <jelly> fggfgfg: you can get back into that session ("reattach") it with "screen -r"
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480 [02:00:12] <jelly> ,v php5
481 [02:00:13] <judd> Package: php5 on amd64 -- wheezy: 5.4.45-0+deb7u2; wheezy-security: 5.4.45-0+deb7u8; jessie: 5.6.30+dfsg-0+deb8u1; jessie-security: 5.6.30+dfsg-0+deb8u1
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483 [02:00:25] <jelly> Cyb3r-Assassin: php 5.6 is available in jessie.
484 [02:00:51] <jvelasquez> wr, find -cmin +20 -cmin -20
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486 [02:01:12] <petemc> i think not
487 [02:01:19] <Cyb3r-Assassin> jelly: not seeing it. it only wants to recognize php7
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490 [02:01:29] <jelly> Cyb3r-Assassin: then you're not on jessie
491 [02:01:39] <jelly> Cyb3r-Assassin: pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy"
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493 [02:01:55] <jelly> !paste
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496 [02:02:31] <Cyb3r-Assassin> jelly: no its Ubuntu, I was told it was Debian but they stood up ubuntu
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498 [02:02:58] <jelly> Cyb3r-Assassin: ask in #ubuntu or #ubuntu-server then
499 [02:03:12] <jelly> or find the right server
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502 [02:05:44] <Cyb3r-Assassin> jelly: be easier to ask on ubuntu and patch this box. Someone already did other stuff on it so I can't put in a ticket for a new one.
503 [02:06:05] <Cyb3r-Assassin> and must be operational bu morning anyways.
504 [02:06:14] <doc|work> anyone?
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509 [02:08:07] <jvelasquez> hey jelly. so you know that debootstrap image I made?
510 [02:08:34] <Cyb3r-Assassin> jelly: replaced-url
511 [02:08:38] <jvelasquez> jelly, the one with the weird libm issue? the libm issue that was resolved after I rebuilt the whole thing?
512 [02:09:28] <jvelasquez> jelly, so I put it on a usb drive and went to use it. and it worked. Then I used it again, the libm was messed up again!
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514 [02:10:05] <jvelasquez> jelly, I'm going to repeat the whole procedure a few times. fixing it, and watching it break.
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528 [02:14:35] <jelly> doc|work: no, but stupid workaround might be to force module loading via /etc/modules, or even before, add it to initramfs
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531 [02:15:28] <jelly> doc|work: assuming it has a kernel module of its own
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533 [02:15:50] <doc|work> jelly, it's running under docker, so my guess would be it loads modules from the parent node. Would that be right?
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535 [02:16:30] <jelly> no idea, I think docker is just containers so no control of kernel or modules loading?
536 [02:16:35] <doc|work> right
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538 [02:16:44] <doc|work> I think that's the case anyway
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540 [02:17:14] <doc|work> I've been banging my head against this crap for weeks (side project)
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549 [02:21:15] <foul_owl> Hi folks. Having an issue where rhythmbox doesn't save song ratings. I checked and rating are part of the id3 tag spec: replaced-url
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552 [02:21:43] <foul_owl> It saves it when I close and open it, but doesn't save it in the file itself.
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555 [02:22:19] <foul_owl> ie, migrating from one system to another. I know I can dump the rhythmbox db, but sometimes that won't work (ie, had errors before about version issues doing that)
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558 [02:24:19] <NapoleonWils0n> hi all
559 [02:24:31] <NapoleonWils0n> just go an error with unbound dns server
560 [02:24:34] <NapoleonWils0n> /var/lib/unbound/root.key has content
561 [02:24:42] <NapoleonWils0n> fail: the anchor is NOT ok and could not be fixed
562 [02:25:36] <NapoleonWils0n> is it the dnssec package that updates the root.key
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566 [02:27:47] <rjsalts> unbound-anchor
567 [02:27:48] <NapoleonWils0n> cant i just download a new root.key, or is there a update root key command
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569 [02:28:37] <NapoleonWils0n> i dont seem to have an unbound-anchor command
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571 [02:29:18] <NapoleonWils0n> strange says its installed
572 [02:29:19] <rjsalts> NapoleonWils0n: the unbound-anchor package is a dependency of unbound
573 [02:29:33] <NapoleonWils0n> ah probably need to be sudo first doh
574 [02:29:55] <rjsalts> NapoleonWils0n: it will be in /usr/sbin, which won't be in your path unless you're running as root
575 [02:30:32] <NapoleonWils0n> yep needed to switch to sudo first
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577 [02:30:43] <NapoleonWils0n> #unbound-anchor
578 [02:30:57] <NapoleonWils0n> then restarted unbound and no error
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581 [02:31:03] <NapoleonWils0n> panic over
582 [02:31:36] <NapoleonWils0n> been trying s3cmd to upload to amazon s3 buckets
583 [02:31:50] <NapoleonWils0n> couldnt get awscli to work
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590 [02:33:22] <rjsalts> KSK rollover doesn't happen until October
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608 [02:40:02] <brenobc> Helo, I am using squid with tproxy in bridge mode, but the traffic is coming in always goes out through the gateway, has anyone had this problem?
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620 [02:49:20] <mgood7123_> seems like CDE can make any installed package self contained 0.0
621 [02:49:38] <jvelasquez> how can I monitor a file? /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libm-2.24.so ? to watch for a process that edits it?
622 [02:49:46] <mgood7123_> replaced-url
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625 [02:50:56] <mgood7123_> replaced-url
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629 [02:53:08] <jvelasquez> how big are output packages?
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632 [02:53:52] <johnjay> which is the more modern video player, mpv or mplayer or mplayer2?
633 [02:53:59] <johnjay> I have all 3 of those in my repo
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642 [02:58:07] <mgood7123_> my entire life has been defeated x.x
643 [02:59:13] <jelly> johnjay, mpv if you're on jessie; mpv and mplayer is back again, if on stretch, apparently
644 [02:59:29] <jelly> mplayer2 is out for the play
645 [02:59:51] <johnjay> ok, apt told me "switching to mplayer2" but when I googled for that it says it's a stale fork
646 [02:59:53] <johnjay> thanks
647 [03:00:15] <jelly> mpv also has support for youtube-dl which is sometimes nice
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660 [03:14:25] <jvelasquez> there's got to a somekind of syscall filter that will pause a tree of processes upon requesting a destructive operation on a particular file huh?
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668 [03:18:44] <mgood7123_> this is as far as iv gotten but NOW it is all for nothing ;-; replaced-url
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670 [03:20:19] <jvelasquez> what does it do?
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681 [03:25:05] <mgood7123_> it meant to download and install any specified package into /Programs/PackageName/PackageVersion/PackageArch then symlink the files to /usr if it is unable to ld certain stuff
682 [03:26:00] <mgood7123_> like what gobolinux does but instead of compiling from source it installs them directly
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684 [03:26:36] <mgood7123_> gobolinux.org
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686 [03:27:19] <mgood7123_> but who tf cares cus CDE just eliminates all of that ;-;
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689 [03:29:46] <johnjay> hmm I tried playing a youtube video with mpv. It said Opengl context creation failed and Xvideo doesn't exist. Is that bad?
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694 [03:35:02] <mgood7123_> but anyone can just do <download package they want then install package> CDE <installed package> <remove downloaded package and repeat>
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696 [03:35:06] <mgood7123_> cus*
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698 [03:35:16] <mgood7123_> download*
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700 [03:35:36] <fadavi> hello. please help me to solve these errors: replaced-url
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719 [03:54:18] <johnjay> What is the correct way to add a script to boot from init.d? The debian wiki suggests either update-rc.d or insserv
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740 [04:07:59] <econdudeawesome> howdy all. I'm back with tales of unrecovered data woes. I overwrote a partition table with gparted (didn't check carefully) and am looking to recover the files. It was NTFS, reformatted to FAT32. Any advice?
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742 [04:08:22] <econdudeawesome> I think I may be lucky in that I didn't overwrite with zeros.. just a quick format
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745 [04:09:49] <nine_milli> hi, i would like to use debian as a computer operating system, but i’ve read it’s mainly for smart refridgerators
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747 [04:10:47] <jvelasquez> johnjay, what version are you running?
748 [04:11:12] <johnjay> jesse
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796 [04:52:26] <nolsen> Does anyone know where to get the default conf of dhcpcd.conf again? I edited by hand, borked it, and now my pi has no internet.
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798 [04:52:56] <tx> /etc/dhcpd.conf ?
799 [04:52:56] <tx> iirc
800 [04:53:20] <nolsen> tx: Yup.
801 [04:53:32] <tx> oh, where to get the default one
802 [04:53:36] <tx> sorry, I thought you asked where it was :P
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804 [04:53:56] <johnjay> want mine nolsen ?
805 [04:54:04] <johnjay> i just started using my pi today
806 [04:54:13] <nolsen> johnjay: yea.
807 [04:54:43] <tx> nolsen: just use "apt-get source isc-dhcp-server"
808 [04:54:50] <tx> get the package source file, the conf is in there
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810 [04:55:04] <johnjay> i just added a line at the bottom about denying wlan0 from starting: replaced-url
811 [04:55:16] <johnjay> also i'm on a rpi right now so idk if that is the same for main debian
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813 [04:55:38] <johnjay> tx: i can't even begin to articulate how you would know something like that. :D
814 [04:55:50] <tx> packages have source files
815 [04:55:54] <tx> apt-get can get you source files
816 [04:56:12] <tx> it will extract it for you too, and will make something like isc-dhcp-4.x.x
817 [04:56:15] <tx> as a dir
818 [04:57:00] <tx> conf is in that dir /server/dhcpd.conf.example
819 [04:57:36] <johnjay> my system tells me that /etc/dhcpcd.conf comes from the dhcpcd5 package
820 [04:57:43] <tx> ah cool
821 [04:57:46] <tx> grab that package then :)
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823 [04:58:03] <johnjay> well i'm not the one who needs it
824 [04:58:09] <tx> oh right lol
825 [04:58:18] <tx> well, those two packages have it
826 [04:58:32] <johnjay> my point is it would be more useful to tell him to use 'apt-file search dhdpcd.conf' than to say a package name which might be incorrect
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828 [04:58:40] <tx> true, my bad.
829 [04:58:59] <johnjay> i will admit though i can also download isc-dhcp-server on my system.
830 [04:59:04] <johnjay> so you're not worng
831 [04:59:04] <johnjay> *wrong
832 [04:59:17] <tx> nolsen: can you do a 'dpkg -l dhcp'
833 [04:59:23] <tx> er
834 [04:59:27] <tx> " dpkg -l | grep dhcp "
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836 [05:04:27] <nolsen> tx: My pi is headless mode, don't have a usb keyboard for it.
837 [05:04:51] <nolsen> Also, I checked the console using hdmi, and dhcp failed to start.
838 [05:04:58] <johnjay> ah nolsen is a pi user
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840 [05:05:27] <nolsen> Trying to see where does systemctl store its logs.
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846 [05:08:07] <FinnM> go /join maristchat
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849 [05:08:55] <FinnM> go /join maristchat for a shit time
850 [05:09:01] <FinnM> go /join maristchat for the time of your life
851 [05:09:12] <FinnM> go /join maristchat just do it i need friends to talk to
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854 [05:11:51] <nolsen> dhcpcd.service: control process exited, code=exited status=1
855 [05:12:46] <nolsen> tx: Where does dhcpcd store its logs?
856 [05:13:01] <nine_milli> debhelper: if there’s any portion of your cpu that can still op this channel take these chats with you…
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862 [05:15:08] <nolsen> .-.
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864 [05:16:13] <yaomtc> Does anyone here use radicale?
865 [05:16:27] <psychoticwarrior> never heard of it
866 [05:16:38] <yaomtc> it's a calendar server written in python
867 [05:16:56] <yaomtc> Radicale is a small but powerful CalDAV (calendars, todo-lists) and CardDAV (contacts) server
868 [05:17:08] <yaomtc> it's in the Debian repos
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871 [05:17:33] <yaomtc> I tried to get Davical working, but couldn't. Heard Radicale was simpler. Not really.
872 [05:17:50] <nolsen> Does anyone know where does systemctl stores its logs so I can fix the damn dhcpcd and get online.
873 [05:18:26] <yaomtc> journalctl -u thing.service --since today for example
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875 [05:18:45] <yaomtc> (command doesn't include "for example" obv)
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877 [05:19:09] <yaomtc> not exactly the answer to your question but it's a way to read the log anywho
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879 [05:20:43] <nolsen> yaomtc: The actual location.
880 [05:20:54] <nolsen> because I cannot access the operating system, because the lack of a usb keyboard.
881 [05:21:23] <tx> are you
882 [05:21:28] <tx> accessing this via the SD card?
883 [05:21:30] <tx> lol
884 [05:22:25] <nolsen> tx: Yes.
885 [05:22:38] <nolsen> And I cannot access it because I don't have a USB keyboard.
886 [05:22:54] <nolsen> I use a laptop, not a desktop, so I lack a USB keyboard.
887 [05:23:07] <nolsen> The only desktop keyboard I have, is a PS/2 keyboard
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890 [05:23:57] <yaomtc> anything in /var/log/messages?
891 [05:25:49] <nolsen> yaomtc: CTRL+F doesn't mention anything about a dhcp
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894 [05:30:56] <nine_milli> on a serious note are there any characters not allowed in filenames in linux (ext4) i think?
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1041 [07:37:29] <dedime> Has anyone ever had success using HTTPS to load a preseed file during installation?
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1052 [07:44:18] <k3rn3lwalk3r> i have a user buy which i run some programs which i dont want to run as root what shell should i give to that user?
1053 [07:44:28] <k3rn3lwalk3r> *user
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1055 [07:44:59] <k3rn3lwalk3r> *i have a user by which i run ......
1056 [07:45:39] <dedime> Is it just a few programs? Or any program, just not as root?
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1058 [07:46:39] <k3rn3lwalk3r> the programs i dont want to run as root , i.e whom i dont trust..
1059 [07:48:28] <k3rn3lwalk3r> like irc , freenet etc so i just gksu -u username and program name
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1061 [07:48:52] <k3rn3lwalk3r> as that user.
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1064 [07:55:41] <Ben64> k3rn3lwalk3r: bash?
1065 [07:55:54] <dedime> I think adding a locked system user, with only the groups needed to run the program, would be secure.
1066 [07:55:59] <dedime> so yeah, bash
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1068 [07:57:48] <dedime> some people use /usr/sbin/nologin but ymmv
1069 [07:57:50] <k3rn3lwalk3r> i also want to disable login to that user
1070 [07:58:20] <k3rn3lwalk3r> but i want to be still able to run cmds by that user is it posible
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1079 [08:01:34] <dedime> I think so. You can lock the account using sudo usermod -L <username> and login using sudo su <username>
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1081 [08:02:16] <dedime> basically you'd need root access to login as that user, but regular login using passwords is disabled
1082 [08:02:32] <k3rn3lwalk3r> cool thats all i needed thanks
1083 [08:02:50] <dedime> np
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1085 [08:04:20] <jmcnaught> k3rn3lwalk3r: have you tried firejail?
1086 [08:04:36] <k3rn3lwalk3r> no
1087 [08:04:39] <k3rn3lwalk3r> whats that
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1089 [08:04:57] <k3rn3lwalk3r> dedime, does sudo usermod -L <username> requires restart?
1090 [08:05:05] <jmcnaught> replaced-url
1091 [08:05:18] <dedime> no
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1095 [08:06:09] <jmcnaught> it looks useful for GUI programs, but i've never tried it
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1099 [08:06:42] <jmcnaught> if you want to do this for services, look at the directives in "man systemd.exec" for ways to isolate a service unit
1100 [08:07:00] <k3rn3lwalk3r> dedime, ok cool it worked
1101 [08:07:12] <dedime> wow i fixed something
1102 [08:07:13] <dedime> gj me
1103 [08:08:14] <k3rn3lwalk3r> hahaha gg
1104 [08:08:53] <k3rn3lwalk3r> jmcnaught, seems good i will have a look
1105 [08:08:58] <k3rn3lwalk3r> thanks ya awl
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1117 [08:16:12] <Aebian> if I set ClientAliveInterval 30 on my sshd config I should be able to pass the IP change from my ISP right? Problem is that the ISP changes my IP daily in the morning so my SSH session will be lost as my connection is down for like 30 seconds to 1 minute or so but for example UDP stuff like teamspeak doesn't care and stays connected
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1127 [08:24:44] <dedime> Aebian, I found this replaced-url
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1138 [08:30:21] <ludoviko> Hi, I want to install debian in my laptop, and dont have a linux system at hand. Im using RUFUS, an USB with RC4 stretch netinstall but I keep getting the can't find CDROM issue. Is there a way to fix this? I also tried DEBIAN LIVE but keeps failing too...
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1165 [08:47:38] <wyre> what do you think about that messages in journal?
1166 [08:47:39] <wyre> replaced-url
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1168 [08:47:45] <wyre> could I fix them?
1169 [08:48:08] <wyre> or they are related with stretch stat of testing?
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1186 [09:01:15] <k3rn3lwalk3r> i have a folder with bulk of files in it of different types(i.e pdf,jgg,png ) but ,all are named with one extension .jpg how can i remame all of them by their orignal extensions (i can find the type of file by cmd "file filename.jgp)
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1193 [09:02:18] <theraspberry> ludocode: It could be a BIOS setting related with virtualizing USB's
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1195 [09:03:11] <theraspberry> I know I've had issues installing on poweredge servers while the emulation for USB storage media was set to "Floppy Disk/Auto" instead of "HardDrive"
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1197 [09:03:49] <theraspberry> Run though the BIOS and start trying things that might affect boot devices.
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1199 [09:04:33] <theraspberry> I personally just rip the ISO images straight to the USB, I never have used rufus to do that.
1200 [09:05:55] <theraspberry> If your system has secure boot, turn that off if you can too. just to test.
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1219 [09:21:05] <wyre> is not pepperflashplugin-nonfree in stretch?
1220 [09:22:35] <at0m|c> ,v pepperflashplugin-nonfree
1221 [09:22:36] <judd> Package: pepperflashplugin-nonfree on amd64 -- wheezy-backports/contrib: 1.4~bpo60+1; jessie/contrib: 1.8.1+deb8u1; sid/contrib: 1.8.3+nmu1
1222 [09:23:59] <wyre> judd, then, ... how could I install it in Stretch?
1223 [09:24:24] <at0m|c> wyre: judd us an info bot
1224 [09:24:27] <at0m|c> *is
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1226 [09:24:34] <wyre> sorry xD
1227 [09:24:41] <wyre> I want ask you hehe
1228 [09:24:49] <wyre> I did want*
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1230 [09:25:02] <at0m|c> i have no idea. only that judd stated the available versions^
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1239 [09:30:58] <wyre> at0m|c, and is not either chrome in repos?
1240 [09:31:15] <at0m|c> ,v chrome
1241 [09:31:16] <judd> No package named 'chrome' was found in amd64.
1242 [09:31:21] <at0m|c> ,v chromium
1243 [09:31:22] <judd> Package: chromium on amd64 -- wheezy: 37.0.2062.120-1~deb7u1; wheezy-security: 37.0.2062.120-1~deb7u1; jessie-security: 57.0.2987.98-1~deb8u1; jessie: 57.0.2987.98-1~deb8u1; stretch: 58.0.3029.81-1; sid: 58.0.3029.96-1; experimental: 59.0.3071.71-1
1244 [09:31:29] <at0m|c> chrome is in google repo's?
1245 [09:32:13] <at0m|c> !chrome
1246 [09:32:13] <dpkg> from memory, chrome is Mozilla's term for a theme or skin, or "Google Chrome", a web browser by Google based on Chromium, ask me about <chromium>. For VIA UniChrome / Chrome9 support, ask me about <openchrome>.
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1257 [09:37:48] <wyre> at0m|c, what do you think about that? replaced-url
1258 [09:37:55] <wyre> I've got installed the packages
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1264 [09:40:50] <wyre> at0m|c, as you can see
1265 [09:40:51] <wyre> replaced-url
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1270 [09:42:31] <at0m|c> replaced-url
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1279 [09:46:48] <at0m|c> wyre: stretch isn't finished/released yet, so maybe that package will come one of these. can't make that up from replaced-url
1280 [09:47:26] <wyre> at0m|c, it's a library
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1282 [09:47:46] <at0m|c> wyre: yes, belonging to a package
1283 [09:48:08] <wyre> should belong to flashplayer-nonfree
1284 [09:48:25] <at0m|c> ,v flashplayer-nonfree
1285 [09:48:26] <judd> No package named 'flashplayer-nonfree' was found in amd64.
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1291 [09:49:18] <pragomer> hi. Im under debian kde. I can start a specific programm (in my case "bluefish") with a specific gtk-theme via:
1292 [09:49:26] <pragomer> "GTK_THEME=Breeze-Dark bluefish"
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1294 [09:49:54] <pragomer> but if bluefish is called e.g. from within filezilla the theme-choosing is ignored of course. can I realize this somehow?
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1297 [09:50:19] <hmpf> Hello!
1298 [09:50:19] <hmpf> I have a question about config files.
1299 [09:50:39] <pragomer> tell us your question
1300 [09:50:49] <wyre> at0m|c, flashplugin-nonfre i meant
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1302 [09:50:52] <wyre> at0m|c, flashplugin-nonfree i meant
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1304 [09:52:03] <hmpf> we're trying to set up a complete system non-interactively. One issue that comes up is customizing ocnfig files.
1305 [09:52:03] <hmpf> There is the site replaced-url
1306 [09:52:03] <hmpf> But then I find replaced-url
1307 [09:52:03] <hmpf> What is the proper thing to do.
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1312 [09:53:28] <hmpf> sorry, server kicked me out for flooding.
1313 [09:53:40] <hmpf> so the question in shorter pieces:
1314 [09:53:45] <hmpf> we're trying to set up a complete system non-interactively. One issue that comes up is customizing ocnfig files.
1315 [09:53:49] <hmpf> There is the site replaced-url
1316 [09:53:52] <hmpf> But then I find replaced-url
1317 [09:53:56] <hmpf> What is the proper thing to do.
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1321 [09:54:17] <hmpf> An example is lighttpd.conf. Or dhcpcd.conf.
1322 [09:54:31] <wyre> i which package is included libpepflashplayer.so?
1323 [09:54:49] <at0m|c> pragomer: bluefish also sources ~/.gtkrc-2.0
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1325 [09:55:18] <pragomer> this config file is ingnored.. you can set there whatever you want.
1326 [09:55:23] <pragomer> seams to be a bug.
1327 [09:56:01] <pragomer> however "GTK_THEME=Breeze-Dark bluefish" as a starter works well for me... except when bluefish is called from within filezilla
1328 [09:56:15] <pragomer> (where I can only define /usr/bin/bluefish as default editor)
1329 [09:56:35] <at0m|c> pragomer: maybe more on replaced-url
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1331 [09:57:12] <at0m|c> or use an alias?
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1335 [09:58:28] <pragomer> already tried that link. also this file is ignored.
1336 [09:58:52] <pragomer> I thought about an alias.. but an alias would only be for a terminal command, or not?
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1338 [09:59:41] <pragomer> nope.. a simple alias in .bashrc does not help
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1340 [10:00:28] <pragomer> I already added GTK_THEME=Breeze-Dark bluefish to the "exec" of the starter in /usr/share/applications/bluefish.desktop
1341 [10:00:39] <pragomer> but no sucess
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1345 [10:03:00] <sidetracking> my gf and my macbook pro :^) replaced-url
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1348 [10:04:10] <jobor> So who do I bother if I'd like to have a package description changed (in this case replaced-url
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1353 [10:04:56] <neglesaks> I finally found out how to group windows in the windows bar. it is set in tweak tool under extension, which allows windows grouping. yay
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1372 [10:14:11] <jelly> jobor: file a bug report, of Severity: minor probably, against that package
1373 [10:14:19] <jelly> !reportbug
1374 [10:14:19] <dpkg> reportbug is used to submit bugs to the Debian <BTS>. Install reportbug, then run reportbug. See replaced-url
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1405 [10:40:17] <i-jerked-my-dick> i like weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeed
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1415 [10:45:26] <hmpf> Can someone point me in the right direction for non-interactive system config with packages?
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1420 [10:47:41] <sine0> I have ssh on my debian server 22 want to be able to access my home router .0.101 how do I setup a tunnel for home.com:22 > 0.101 over ssh
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1424 [10:49:49] <angor> sine0: debian has 2 IPs, local and internet?
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1429 [10:51:48] <angor> sine0: my home debian has local network and internet connection, to access my local resources I'm using DNAT, no need to use ssh-tunnels
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1438 [10:54:48] <mast> I'm trying to diagnose frequent system crashes on an system running 3.2.0.4 debian. I can't seem to figure out if its related to frequent monit warnings due to space usage limits on attached media drives, or CRON
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1440 [10:55:20] <mast> the install partition is itself not full, though some of the attached drives are
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1451 [10:58:59] <jelly> mast: neither disk usage nor cron itself would cause a crash
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1453 [10:59:17] <jelly> is the system pingable after such a "crash"?
1454 [10:59:20] <mast> That's what I'm confused about
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1456 [10:59:41] <jelly> anything on the console?
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1458 [10:59:51] <jelly> anything in logs after restart?
1459 [10:59:56] <mast> No response via ssh
1460 [11:00:06] <jelly> not ssh, ping
1461 [11:00:11] <jelly> and console.
1462 [11:00:15] <sine0> angor: i only have headless
1463 [11:00:48] <mast> Checking the logs shows a load of monit warnings, and a message about Cron
1464 [11:01:18] <jobor> (Sorry to ask again, our quassel core died.) Who do I bother when I'd like to have a package description changed (replaced-url
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1466 [11:01:41] <jelly> jobor: just file a bug report, with reportbug
1467 [11:01:55] <jelly> !reportbug
1468 [11:01:55] <dpkg> reportbug is used to submit bugs to the Debian <BTS>. Install reportbug, then run reportbug. See replaced-url
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1470 [11:02:12] <mast> I'm sorry I didn't think to check ping. I will attempt to crash the system again and try that thanks jelly
1471 [11:02:25] <jobor> jelly: ok, will do. Thanks.
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1479 [11:05:39] <jelly> mast: did you check if there's anything on its console?
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1500 [11:17:41] <angor> sine0: PM me details, what exactly you have
1501 [11:17:56] <mast> I didn't see anything helpful in the syslog
1502 [11:18:11] <mast> jelly
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1504 [11:19:07] <mast> Is this channel usually flooded with people who have no idea what they're doing? Is there a better place for me to ask basic questions? I'd rather not flood it with my problems. I have been looking for resolutions to this for the past 45 min, though, without finding much help
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1506 [11:20:12] <petn-randall> ,kernels
1507 [11:20:13] <judd> Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.11.0-trunk-686 (4.11-1~exp2); sid: 4.9.0-3-686 (4.9.25-1); stretch: 4.9.0-3-686 (4.9.25-1); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.3-686 (4.9.25-1~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.43-2); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.88-1)
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1509 [11:20:55] <mast> I've read that this sort of halting can be triggered by large rsync jobs, but I'm at a bit of dead end
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1511 [11:21:29] <petn-randall> mast: It's a large channel, we have people asking basic questions up until very special and peculiar questions. Everyone gets help if they adhere to the channel rules. :)
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1513 [11:22:47] <mast> Okay thanks. I have 20 years experience with computers, but I never made the jump to linux so I'm very aware of the position of ignorance I'm coming from.
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1515 [11:23:17] <mast> And I did check the rules, and have looked for almost an hour before coming and asking for help
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1517 [11:25:31] <petn-randall> mast: Yeah, the first step I'd try is to reproduce the issue. If the kernel dies, it usually gives you a kernel panic on the console, which gives you a hint what happened. If there's no kernel panic, it might be that it's actually running but just so busy that it looks like it crashed.
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1519 [11:26:15] <mast> so busy I wouldn't even be able to ssh into it?
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1521 [11:26:55] <mast> There is no kernel warning once the system stops responding
1522 [11:27:16] <petn-randall> mast: And this is a stock wheezy installation?
1523 [11:27:41] <mast> In multiple instances the last messages on the system log are monit mentioning space usage matching resource limit
1524 [11:28:33] <petn-randall> mast: Can you somehow trigger the crash?
1525 [11:29:06] <mast> Its actually openmediavault, which is built on debian 3.2.0.4
1526 [11:29:37] <petn-randall> mast: Ah, in that case:
1527 [11:29:41] <petn-randall> !openmediavault
1528 [11:29:41] <dpkg> OpenMediaVault is a NAS operating system with a web-based control panel. It is <based on Debian> but not supported in #debian. Support can be found at replaced-url
1529 [11:29:53] <mast> I actually just did. Large file transfers to the system appear enough to do it
1530 [11:29:56] <petn-randall> mast: They might be able to help you with your issue. ^^^
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1533 [11:32:16] <mast> I'll try them again. When I was in last the channel didn't seem to have folks knowledgable enough to help. I figure I'd ask in here in the meantime, though I'll follow your advice and ask them again
1534 [11:32:49] <mast> thanks again
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1537 [11:35:36] <polysics> !kernel
1538 [11:35:40] <dpkg> Linux kernel versions, mainline: 4.12-rc3, stable 4.11: 4.11.3, stable 4.10: 4.10.17 (EOL), longterm 4.9: 4.9.30, longterm 4.4: 4.4.70, longterm 4.1: 4.1.40, longterm 3.18: 3.18.55 (EOL), longterm 3.16: 3.16.43, longterm 3.12: 3.12.74 (EOL), longterm 3.10: 3.10.105, longterm 3.4: 3.4.113, longterm 3.2: 3.2.88, linux-next: next-20170601
1539 [11:35:41] <polysics> !kernels
1540 [11:35:45] <dpkg> Linux kernel versions, mainline: 4.12-rc3, stable 4.11: 4.11.3, stable 4.10: 4.10.17 (EOL), longterm 4.9: 4.9.30, longterm 4.4: 4.4.70, longterm 4.1: 4.1.40, longterm 3.18: 3.18.55 (EOL), longterm 3.16: 3.16.43, longterm 3.12: 3.12.74 (EOL), longterm 3.10: 3.10.105, longterm 3.4: 3.4.113, longterm 3.2: 3.2.88, linux-next: next-20170601
1541 [11:35:45] <polysics> ok, thanks :)
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1548 [11:41:06] <petn-randall> polysics: You can also query dpkg so you don't have to pollute the channel. Just '/query dpkg' and ask away. :)
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1551 [11:41:28] <polysics> petn-randall: sorry, I will
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1650 [12:46:05] <larvallid> i installed Debian 9 RC4 using the official DVD image, and wifi worked out of the box (although there are still problems with it). i did not install anything other than the OS, and do not expect there to be any nonfree firmware. i thought the realtek driver was nonfree software, and therefore should not be included with the official OS. can someone explain why wifi works?
1651 [12:47:29] <shtrb|work> Are you sure that A. the device is really realtek one (lspci/lsusb) and B. nonfree package had not been installed (via dpkg) ?
1652 [12:47:37] <shtrb|work> Good morning to all
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1656 [12:52:01] <petn-randall> larvallid: Most wifi and Ethernet devices, and all Intel/AMD CPUs come with firmware on chip by default. It's just that some firmware is so old and buggy that it doesn't work without a newer version.
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1659 [12:52:11] <larvallid> shtrb|work, A. i am sure the wifi adapter is realtek RTL8821AE. on debian 8, it didn't work until i installed nonfree firmware (either firmware-realtek or lwfinger/rtlwifi_new drivers). B. i installed "debian-stretch-DI-rc4-amd64-DVD-1.iso", which i believe is the official image, which never contains nonfree software. i have not supplied the debian installer with firmware packages, nor have i installed packages after
1660 [12:52:11] <larvallid> the OS has been installed. on system startup, i can see the lines "failed to load rtlwifi/rtl8821aefw.bin (-2)" and another line for "rtl8821aefw_wowlan.bin". however in the OS, if i bring up network settings, i can see all nearby networks and connect to my own.
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1665 [12:53:46] <larvallid> petn-randall, does that mean i /am/ running nonfree software, which is being supplied by the hardware to the OS? (btw, the wifi adapter did not work out of the box on debian 8.)
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1674 [12:57:20] <shtrb|work> larvallid , maybe the newer kernel can support some features that you are using know ?
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1676 [12:58:49] <larvallid> shtrb|work, possibly. in that case, has the realtek driver been reverse engineered? debian wiki says my wifi adapter will only work with a nonfree driver.
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1678 [12:59:40] <shtrb|work> not really , maybe some work had been ported but not all
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1680 [12:59:53] <shtrb|work> you can try an updated kernel on older version
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1683 [13:01:06] <larvallid> shtrb|work, alright. if i have time i will try that. a higher priority is to get the wifi working, since with both firwmare-realtek 0.43 and the debian 9 out-of-box firmware, the wifi connection will drop after a while. i am leaving now. (will stay connected to read messages when i come back)
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1688 [13:02:46] <new-nick> hi there all
1689 [13:02:49] <shtrb|work> Check for why it drops , my common cases are pcie power issues (APM) , bluetooth interfirence and incorrect regulation code (incorrect code)
1690 [13:02:52] <shtrb|work> hi there new-nick
1691 [13:03:11] <new-nick> is there any application like this replaced-url
1692 [13:04:57] <new-nick> for Debian package ? I am not sure what phrase to search for this type of application/programme. A application provide long string of password by given secret key or master password. This is like pass word generator but not pass word manager.
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1696 [13:05:58] <new-nick> So all way have to remember master pass code/ secret word (along with Website URL) to generate unique pass word
1697 [13:05:58] <shtrb|work> new-nick , that's actually not that secure option at all
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1700 [13:06:13] <new-nick> what about using command line to generate
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1704 [13:07:08] <new-nick> Wait, I never used pass word generator. Does all pass word generator provide just random keys/password ?
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1710 [13:09:43] <shtrb|work> new-nick , why not use a password manager with different passwords per site ?
1711 [13:10:06] <shtrb|work> and let your browsert negotate with it
1712 [13:10:06] <shtrb|work> or get it manually
1713 [13:10:46] <new-nick> I am doing it as ur suggestion.
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1716 [13:11:29] <shtrb|work> many DEs has their own password managers, like kwallet for instance
1717 [13:12:23] <new-nick> but with this kind of password generator, all one has to remember master key, secret code along url/website name to get provide an unique password and able to retrieve the password again.
1718 [13:12:26] <new-nick> and nothing saved on the disk
1719 [13:13:29] <new-nick> can we use DE password manager to input on browser?
1720 [13:13:49] <shtrb|work> yes (firefox + kwallet )
1721 [13:13:51] <shtrb|work> for example
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1737 [13:20:38] <new-nick> I am using using Gnome and Seahorse keyring. It is not working with firefox. I try to get kwallet.
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1739 [13:20:40] <shtrb|work> new-nick , encyption in that mode is as safe as you store your initial password secret
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1741 [13:20:53] <shtrb|work> *master password
1742 [13:20:57] <new-nick> the reason of using this method that to copy of list of password on Android as well
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1744 [13:22:00] <new-nick> r u saying its safe to decrypt gpg password and copy to password file,given master password is secured ?
1745 [13:22:23] <shtrb|work> to be clear , I'm not saying PBKDF2 is not secure , I'm saying it is secure as long as your master password and salt are not revaled
1746 [13:22:54] <shtrb|work> nothing is really "safe", there are different threat models
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1748 [13:23:45] <new-nick> I understand that totally that nothing is safe. I am talking about just basic to interimedate level of password keeping
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1750 [13:24:38] <shtrb|work> I belive that transfering the derived results to a device (but not deriving them on the safe device) , and never using the original master password on said device should provide some security
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1754 [13:25:42] <new-nick> not quite get this part. Still little novice on security :)
1755 [13:26:03] <shtrb|work> I'm pre coffee state , so I might be not clear
1756 [13:26:10] <new-nick> if u can, rewrite in simple sentence ols
1757 [13:26:17] <new-nick> haha
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1759 [13:26:31] <jelly> new-nick: I'm told keepassxc has a firefox plugin
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1762 [13:27:43] <new-nick> yup, but after a week research, I dropped, Keepass2, KeepassX, KeepassXC
1763 [13:28:07] <shtrb|work> ne-nick: If you generate your passwords on one machine A using K1, and you transfer the passwords to machine B (via DOK ? ) ,you never generate passwords or use that K1 on machine B nor connect machine A to machine B
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1765 [13:28:27] <new-nick> so basically, using Firefox inbuilt pass-word manager(not sure how secure) and GPG password list file.
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1770 [13:29:17] <shtrb|work> (*) If you like password managers
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1773 [13:30:39] <new-nick> well, I like password manager and but not really able to sure Keepass2 or KeepassXC. And basically, the requirement to use password list on Debian and Android
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1777 [13:32:59] <shtrb|work> encrypted file on disk , your clipboard will give away your password but it is still safer
1778 [13:34:09] <shtrb|work> *as you said , encrypted file
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1780 [13:35:13] <shtrb|work> And sometimes your provider is an asshole who has an MITM .... so there is that
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1782 [13:35:46] <shtrb|work> "legal MITM for the security of your children"
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1787 [13:37:09] <new-nick> great ! I have encrypted file with gpg. and whenever it decrypt, it out put plain password list of file. I going to use encrypte password string and store on it. rather than the file
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1789 [13:37:46] <shtrb|work> just don't have the gpg derived from the same password as per site one
1790 [13:38:07] <new-nick> what ?
1791 [13:38:30] <shtrb|work> your gpg key should not be derived from your master key to encrypt all other passwords
1792 [13:38:57] <new-nick> u mentioned clipboard gives away password, any trick to solve it though ?
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1794 [13:39:25] <shtrb|work> if your gpg key is mysecretpassphrase23 , your master key should not be mysecretpassphrase1
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1797 [13:39:50] <shtrb|work> new-nick , your clipboard (clipboard managers) on the same account may hold the things you copy paste
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1799 [13:39:56] <new-nick> oh, i set separate to encrypt for all other password
1800 [13:40:18] <shtrb|work> so if you copy a pwd from a file to paste it to a form it holds your password
1801 [13:40:28] <shtrb|work> it = clipboard manager
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1806 [13:42:05] <new-nick> "your master key should not be mysecretpassphrase1" --- I am all using pass phrase for gpg. And where the master key comes in, since we elimate master password/password manager here
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1808 [13:43:15] <shtrb|work> When I mentionted master key I thought you are using a hash function with a master key to generate per website password
1809 [13:44:10] <new-nick> I am aware that copying a password string will remain with clipboard manager. So for now I am doing this method with trusing that no other app copying from clipboard. But is there any know way to shred/delete from clipboard once we pasted.
1810 [13:44:12] <shtrb|work> if all passwords do not share the same key (no two passwords have two shared sources , and no password repeat ) - you are "safe"
1811 [13:44:12] <new-nick> Keepass provide limited time to paste from clipboard. Can we do it manually?
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1813 [13:45:47] <new-nick> " you are using a hash function ", interesting and I will be checking out to use hash function to master key.
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1816 [13:46:38] * shtrb|work going to grab some coffee , he is not clear anymore
1817 [13:46:52] <new-nick> You are really helpful with all these. Wi
1818 [13:47:07] <new-nick> enjoy ur coffee
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1833 [13:52:12] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
1834 [13:52:21] <shtrb|work> new-nick , there are many methods to choose keys, common one include passphrases, alpha numeric strings (usually short) , derived strings. Derived strings are the result from hash function with salt and password (like PBKDF2 but any other good hashing function would work)
1835 [13:52:23] <colo-work> having "experimental" in sources.list available won't have any implicit effects, right? I mean I'd always have to explicitly opt into installing something from there
1836 [13:52:49] <shtrb|work> Hiyass BluesKaj , a great morning to you and all
1837 [13:53:06] <shtrb|work> colo-work , it will only enable to install from there
1838 [13:53:22] <shtrb|work> unless you are not using apt/aptitutde
1839 [13:53:34] <BluesKaj> 'Morning shtrb|work
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1841 [13:53:54] <Mutter> Hello
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1845 [13:54:46] <new-nick> great shtrb. I am learned quite alot from you today
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1851 [13:56:37] <shtrb> new-nick , If you are intersted check Introduction to cryptography and Network Security it was a really nice read
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1857 [13:57:54] <brenobc> Helo. I'm configuring a bridge between eth0 and eth1, traffic only exits through the default gateway, no matter if I configure routes manually. Has anyone had this problem ? I'm configuri tproxy.
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1859 [13:58:44] <new-nick> I wish to read but quite handful nowadays and trying to increase the security as little as everyday. Thank u for the suggestion
1860 [13:58:48] <new-nick> U r awesome
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1862 [14:01:02] <dob1> it seems that lftp doens't work with set ftp:ssl-force true, it contines to give me "delaying before reconnect" forver.
1863 [14:01:30] <dob1> not sorry i mean set ssl-allow true
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1906 [14:21:35] <polysics> hey! yet another question for you patient people
1907 [14:21:59] <polysics> I compiled a new kernel (needed a specific patch) and when booting into it, X does not start automatically
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1909 [14:22:07] <polysics> do I need to go set something somewhere?
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1922 [14:28:22] <towo^work> polysics, be more precise
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1925 [14:28:49] <polysics> machine goes to console login instead of autostarting X like it does with the other kernel
1926 [14:28:57] <polysics> which does not make a whole lot of sense.
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1929 [14:29:28] <AlienCat> I cannot see a certain wireless network but I can see other networks. How can I fix that? My phone can see the wireless network but the computer cannot
1930 [14:29:42] <AlienCat> Anyone knows what I can check?
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1937 [14:32:15] <towo^work> polysics, again, too less info
1938 [14:32:35] <towo^work> only the kernel does not change anything in autostarting of x
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1940 [14:33:03] <towo^work> and no one knows how you have compiled and installed that secret kernel
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1942 [14:33:48] <polysics> it is a vanilla kernel i compiled using make-kpkg
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1945 [14:34:19] <towo^work> make-kpkg is crap
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1947 [14:34:43] <towo^work> and if you use 3rd party graphics drivers, they have to be compiled against that new kernel
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1965 [14:44:09] <dqsii> personally i have an amd ati card i like to stick with the gallum open source driver i dont have any issues with it and its less hassle when i get a new kernel cause i use the testing branch
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1969 [14:47:50] <shtrb> AlienCat , are they listed when you perofrm iwlist wXXXX scan ?
1970 [14:48:43] <shtrb> They can be working in N mode and your wifi has 11_n disabled or not supported
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1975 [14:51:23] <shtrb> polysics , make sure all modules loaded , check dmesg syslog for any errors
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1977 [14:51:41] <AlienCat> Not found with iwlist, other computers can find it but not mine
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1979 [14:52:02] <shtrb> AlienCat , does it work on N ?
1980 [14:52:04] <shtrb> the station
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1982 [14:52:49] <AlienCat> well I do not know
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1984 [14:53:31] <shtrb> check if you disabled n mode (or if you have running bluetooth now), try disabling bluetooth / enabling N if the card support
1985 [14:53:50] <AlienCat> the card says IEEE 802.11bgn
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1990 [14:54:18] <shtrb> ok , your card should support N , check if you disabled N with an argument
1991 [14:54:36] <AlienCat> also I do not run bluetooth as far as I know
1992 [14:54:51] <shtrb> That are the only blocking options I could think of :-(
1993 [14:55:08] <shtrb> check with iw list wXXX to see if N is supported by the driver
1994 [14:55:34] <AlienCat> some other dude told me something about band
1995 [14:56:06] <shtrb> oh , different regulatory settings
1996 [14:56:18] <shtrb> or 2.4 vs 5 ghz
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2000 [14:57:43] <AlienCat> could be a regulary thing
2001 [14:57:48] <AlienCat> I am in china
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2003 [14:57:55] <AlienCat> currently
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2005 [14:58:38] <petn-randall> larvallid: Yes, the BIOS usually has microcode for your CPU. Everything after skylake (?) doesn't work without.
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2012 [15:01:46] <shtrb> AlienCat , first check if your card is support 5G (iwlist wXXX freq) and check on what band the wifi works there
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2015 [15:02:26] <AlienCat> nope not 5ghz
2016 [15:02:34] <shtrb> if the station is on 5Ghz but your wifi doesn't support it , it will not work
2017 [15:02:35] <shtrb> oh
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2033 [15:07:01] <buu> Hey
2034 [15:07:02] <AlienCat> I will try to login to router later
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2036 [15:07:22] <buu> Does anyone know of a program that takes a series of urls and performs bandwidth comparisons against them from a single host?
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2038 [15:07:32] <buu> sort of like netselect
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2044 [15:09:38] <shtrb> buu , mtr ?
2045 [15:10:05] <shtrb> not realy bandwith check but is a good messure
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2052 [15:13:01] <buu> shtrb: mmm, maybe
2053 [15:13:18] <shtrb> I don't know what you are trying to mesaure really
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2056 [15:14:28] <shtrb> oops , mtr will not spawn per url only take the last
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2060 [15:16:47] <polysics> shtrb: display-manager.service is apparently failing to start
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2062 [15:17:27] <shtrb> polysics , with what error ?
2063 [15:17:28] <buu> shtrb: Well, basically I'm trying to figure out which server in europe has the best route/bandwidth to my current location
2064 [15:17:40] <buu> So I have lists of urls to test files and I want to know which one will give me the highest bandwidth
2065 [15:17:50] <polysics> No such file or directory.
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2070 [15:19:41] <shtrb> buu , debian or some kind of cdn ?
2071 [15:19:56] <towo^work> [15:17:50] <polysics> No such file or directory. <= that's never the complete error
2072 [15:20:10] <towo^work> polysics, and again, provide all relevant infos
2073 [15:20:10] <shtrb> if debian you can setup httpredir
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2076 [15:20:22] <polysics> Cannot add dependency job for unit display-manager.service, ignoring: Unit display-manager.service failed to load: No such file or directory. See system logs and 'systemctl status display-manager.service' for details.
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2078 [15:20:39] <shtrb> polysics , try to paste little bit more info on a paste site
2079 [15:20:52] <towo^work> which hardware, which driver?
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2082 [15:21:11] <polysics> there is literally nothing else, status just returns "not loaded" and the same error
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2084 [15:21:31] <towo^work> the whole error is in Xorg.0.log
2085 [15:21:34] <shtrb> you will need to use systemctl or grab info directly from syslog + messages
2086 [15:21:41] <shtrb> and X/Wayland files
2087 [15:21:50] <polysics> this is a normal PC with an MSI enbedded graphic card
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2089 [15:22:02] <polysics> ok, so I need to go through those first. Thanks :)
2090 [15:22:13] <polysics> it's not that I don't want to provide data :)
2091 [15:22:20] <shtrb> polysics , check towo^work comment first
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2110 [15:27:50] <shtrb> buu , debian or some other cdn ?
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2120 [15:30:32] <Resilience> Jello to everyone, I am going to install vbox from its own repository (replaced-url
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2128 [15:32:44] <shtrb> Resilience , you will have some hard time to identify if you don't remember all
2129 [15:33:00] <shtrb> but you could search for packages which are no longer listed and to remove them
2130 [15:33:39] <Resilience> shtrb, to ermeber the packages? but, the packages come fromm the source right?
2131 [15:33:59] <shtrb> list all currently packages , for each package if it does not exist in current source add to list of files to remove
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2133 [15:34:27] <shtrb> I mean, if you forgot what you have installed other than vbox and whish to drop it
2134 [15:34:52] <shtrb> usually if a pacakge is no longer needed it wil be listed in a special list for autoremove
2135 [15:34:53] <Resilience> to list the packes was.. dkpg -l right?
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2142 [15:36:16] <Resilience> shtrb, to list the packes was.. dkpg -l right?
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2145 [15:36:42] <shtrb> you can also use dpkg --get-selections | cut -f1 (for installed only)
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2149 [15:37:26] <Resilience> shtrb, aha, and, how can I know waht pacakges are not in the curren /etc/apt/sources.list?
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2151 [15:37:47] <towo^work> apt-show-versions
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2153 [15:38:25] <themill> !not available
2154 [15:38:25] <dpkg> To get a list of packages you have installed now, that are not available from any repository in your sources.list: aptitude search '?narrow(?not(?archive("^[^n][^o].*$")),?version(CURRENT))'
2155 [15:39:05] <towo^work> hm i find apt-show-versions | grep No more easy and shorter
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2165 [15:41:52] <shtrb> Resilience , but I hope they will be nuked by autoremove
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2170 [15:42:30] <shtrb> just remember autoremove can sometimes be fatel
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2172 [15:43:19] <Resilience> aha, thanls themill, thanks shtrb
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2175 [15:45:40] <Resilience> mmmmm I have done the comman dline from themill and I get a list of packages, but, they have the flag i, are insttalled... and they are alot f packages that sohuld be updated... what is happening?
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2184 [15:49:20] <shtrb> Resilience , did you remember the "|grep no"
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2190 [15:52:52] <Resilience> shtrb, I have just tried now, it works, or at least it says No available version etc... ok, that works, but I was wondering about the command line from themill
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2193 [15:53:17] <themill> apt-show-versions frequently gets things wrong
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2203 [15:57:34] <polysics> towo^work: the whole Xorg.0.log is here
2204 [15:57:35] <polysics> replaced-url
2205 [15:58:03] <polysics> note that startx does oddly work.
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2207 [15:58:32] <polysics> oh, so maybe startx overwrote this?
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2211 [15:58:50] <greycat> yes, startx overwrites Xorg.0.log each time
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2238 [16:07:37] <Resilience> themill, ok, apt-show-versions ge things wrong, but, why the line that you have put says that the packages are installed?
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2240 [16:08:15] <themill> it shows that packages are installed if they are
2241 [16:08:22] <themill> I'm not sure how else to answer that question
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2243 [16:08:32] <shtrb> what about deinstall state ?
2244 [16:08:59] <shtrb> ignore , brain fart
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2250 [16:10:48] <Resilience> themill, I asked what pacakges are not yet available when deleting some sources from /etc/apt-sources.list, the order you put listed some files I am using as "not available" (not true, because I am updating&& dist-upgrading them) and list them as installed, so I don't udnerstand waht pacakes is listign that command line
2251 [16:10:51] <polysics> greycat: but there is no Xorg.0.log if I just reboot and X fails to start
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2255 [16:12:03] <greycat> Which version of Debian are you on? How are you attempting to start x? startx, or a display manager? If it's startx, are you running it as yourself, or as root?
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2257 [16:12:56] <greycat> dpkg, xorg.0.log is in /var/log/ unless you are on stretch-or-later and running startx as non-root. Then it's in ~/.local/share/xorg/
2258 [16:12:56] <dpkg> okay, greycat
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2262 [16:14:18] * greycat tries to parse "I asked what pacakges are not yet available" and fails
2263 [16:14:41] <greycat> linux-image-7.0.0 is not yet available. Does that make the list?
2264 [16:14:57] <polysics> I am running as root on Debian 7
2265 [16:15:11] <greycat> then there should be a /var/log/Xorg.0.log file if you ran "startx"
2266 [16:15:15] <polysics> starting using startx
2267 [16:15:28] <polysics> the issue here is that X fails to autostart, but it does work with startx
2268 [16:15:44] <petn-randall> polysics: How do you autostart it?
2269 [16:15:44] <greycat> What does autostart mean? Did you install a display manager? If so, which one?
2270 [16:15:49] <polysics> so I think that log is actually no useful in this particular case?
2271 [16:15:54] <polysics> lxdm
2272 [16:15:57] <Resilience> greycat, you should read a few lines before, it was about deleting sources from /etc/apt/sources-list and knowing which packages are not yet available because of the deleted sources
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2274 [16:16:12] <greycat> You mean "no longer available"?
2275 [16:16:36] <greycat> If you want to know which packages are in which wource, DO NOT delete the source, just look in /var/lib/apt/lists/
2276 [16:17:13] <greycat> How do you expect your computer to know what information was in a file that you deleted?
2277 [16:17:14] <shtrb> greycat , assume a package that once existed and no more exist (for example alsa-base )
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2279 [16:18:05] <greycat> !xy
2280 [16:18:05] <dpkg> Slow down for a bit! Are you sure that you need to jump through that particular hoop to achieve your goal? We suspect you don't, so why don't you back up a bit and tell us about the overall objective... We know that people often falsely diagnose problems because they are too close to them -- it's easy to miss that there is a better way to proceed. See replaced-url
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2283 [16:19:05] <themill> Resilience: real output would be useful. Your summaries are not providing any information that will help us help you
2284 [16:19:23] <shtrb> greycat , it's not that hard actually he can relay on autoremove or checking what installed packages are no longer exist to see what he can drop
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2286 [16:19:38] <shtrb> themill , didn't you mean polysics ?
2287 [16:19:44] <greycat> shtrb: what problem is he trying to solve?
2288 [16:19:44] <themill> no
2289 [16:19:46] <shtrb> *don't you mean
2290 [16:20:02] <greycat> "rely on autoremove" for what?
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2293 [16:20:13] <shtrb> greycat , if he forgets what package he installed and droped the sources
2294 [16:20:36] <shtrb> relay on autoremove if he removes a packages installed from the new sources
2295 [16:20:42] <Resilience> it is easy, as i stated in my first line
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2298 [16:21:17] <greycat> 09:30 Resilience> Jello to everyone, I am going to install vbox from its own repository ... 1) Can I know what packages are from what sources?
2299 [16:21:20] <shtrb> Resilience , hopefully their repository is sane , and you could just remove vbox and use autoremove to drop all the dependencies
2300 [16:21:26] <greycat> Look in /var/lib/apt/lists/ BUT DO NOT remove the source first, duh.
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2303 [16:21:46] <greycat> 09:30 Resilience> ... 2)if sometime in future I want/need to remove the sources from vbox, then I can erase all the packages from that source?
2304 [16:21:50] <greycat> NO.
2305 [16:22:07] <greycat> You can try to hack up some godawful atrocity like with the dmo stuff.
2306 [16:22:11] <Resilience> going to add some sources (for vbox) and IF in the future I need to remove that sources, I WANT the packages from THAT sources (vbox) to be removed from the PACKAGES LIST (I know tat with apt-get autoremove the PACKAGES are removed, but I want to be removed from the PACKAGE LISTINGS)
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2309 [16:22:29] <greycat> !dmm remove
2310 [16:22:29] <dpkg> If you want to remove the packages from deb-multimedia.org and reinstall the packages from Debian repositories, one could do this: dpkg --remove --force-depends $(aptitude search '?narrow(?version(CURRENT),?origin(Unofficial Multimedia Packages))' --disable-columns -F%p); remove the dmm repository from sources.list; apt-get update; apt-get install -f; install the still missing packages which were removed in the former process ...
2311 [16:22:39] <greycat> That is what you are dealing with for your part 2.
2312 [16:22:51] <shtrb> now , I don't understand you
2313 [16:23:04] <shtrb> apt-get remove --purge virtualbox* should do the trick
2314 [16:23:07] <themill> Resilience: apt does not know where you installed packages from. It knows from where you might try to reinstall the same package right now.
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2317 [16:23:27] <shtrb> but for my knowldge there is no list that says this deb come from that repo
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2321 [16:24:11] <Resilience> ok, and is there any way to earse ALL the package listings anddownload resh from the sources?
2322 [16:24:12] <greycat> 10:22 Resilience> ... IF in the future I ... remove that sources, I WANT the packages from THAT sources (vbox) to be removed from the PACKAGES LIST
2323 [16:24:18] <greycat> Just run apt-get update
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2327 [16:24:57] <Resilience> greycat, that erases the packages not present in the current spurces? (if /etc/apt/sources.list is modified I mean)
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2330 [16:25:11] <greycat> It removes the lists from /var/lib/apt/lists/
2331 [16:25:29] <colo-work> does stretch still support /etc/rc.local?
2332 [16:25:35] <greycat> yes
2333 [16:25:41] <colo-work> awesome; thanks
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2335 [16:26:19] <greycat> You can even do "systemctl status rc.local" to see when it ran and so on.
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2338 [16:27:09] <Resilience> than ks greycat shtrb and themill
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2342 [16:28:12] <themill> Resilience: if you want to remove packages that aren't referenced in the current sources.list, then change "search" to "remove" in that insane aptitude command that dpkg gave you earlier.
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2345 [16:29:31] <NeilHanlon> I've got a bit of an odd issue on my system.. if I leave it at the office overnight, a few hours after I leave it starts sending ~300 DHCP RENEW requests to our DHCP server an hour
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2347 [16:29:49] <NeilHanlon> Apparently over my wlan0 interface--but I have wifi turned off.
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2350 [16:30:05] <NeilHanlon> I wasn't able to find any dhclient bug reports.. anyone know where I could look further?
2351 [16:30:38] <shtrb> openvpn / dhcp server running , laptop wakeup from sleep and try to reconnect ?
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2360 [16:33:02] <Resilience> themill, ah, I was wondering if I was the only one thinking it was some kind of insane xD
2361 [16:33:10] <tsuyubo> hi, folks, i have a question when install libnl-3.0 from source code
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2365 [16:33:32] <NeilHanlon> shtrb: no dhcp server--I've got a cisco anyconnect vpnagentd process
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2367 [16:33:52] <NeilHanlon> laptop doesn't sleep (or shouldn't sleep).. and even if it was, 300 DHCPRENEW/hr seems very high
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2372 [16:34:39] <shtrb> I have no idea about that software , but could it trigger dhcp requests ?
2373 [16:34:45] <shtrb> if yes , it could be the culprint
2374 [16:35:17] <NeilHanlon> I don't think it should be... but I guess it's possible
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2378 [16:36:00] <shtrb> can you reproduce the issue without leaving the office ?
2379 [16:36:31] <shtrb> I mean stop using the pc for some time (maybe some script is run after the lock screen is set)
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2392 [16:40:49] <NeilHanlon> It's an unfortunately a pretty long timeout when it starts. ~3 hrs
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2394 [16:41:03] <DexterF> hi
2395 [16:41:49] <shtrb> NeilHanlon , check your DE maybe it has some time based scripts
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2397 [16:43:17] <helpImStuck> is it normal to find a file named screendump.txt on your "server"?
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2400 [16:43:48] <greycat> Depends on what kind of "server" it is.
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2403 [16:43:59] <greycat> If it's serving user home dirs over NFS, no filename would surprise me. At all. None.
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2405 [16:44:24] <helpImStuck> greycat, found it in my vpn config dir..
2406 [16:44:26] <greycat> (OK, a filename that is the empty string might surprise me,)
2407 [16:45:25] <helpImStuck> which audit tool do you recommend to keep an eye on the system?
2408 [16:45:41] <shtrb> NeilHanlon , did you check your timers, maybe it is run on a specific hor ?
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2411 [16:46:31] <NeilHanlon> shtrb: where would I be looking for those?
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2415 [16:47:56] <shtrb> bloody erogant pigeons
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2417 [16:48:01] <shtrb> sorry , not for this channel
2418 [16:48:11] <greycat> "arrogant"
2419 [16:48:19] <petn-randall> erdogan?
2420 [16:48:32] <shtrb> Sorry , pasted in the wrong channel ....
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2424 [16:48:55] <shtrb> they don't leave even if I throw a paper on them or ask them nicly to leave
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2426 [16:49:46] <shtrb> greycat , thanks for the fix
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2430 [16:50:50] <shtrb> NeilHanlon , under /etc/systemd/system or /etc/systemd/user
2431 [16:51:11] <shtrb> also check crontab and cron
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2451 [17:01:08] <NeilHanlon> hm.. not able to find anything that could be doing it there (as far as I can tell)
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2453 [17:01:29] <shtrb> :-/ , anything in the DE itself ?
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2456 [17:02:32] <shtrb> you didn't say (Or I missed it while trying to shew this %@%2 ) does it happen on the same time each time or just X hours after you stop using the pc ?
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2460 [17:03:39] <shtrb> *shoo
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2463 [17:04:18] <NeilHanlon> doesn't seem to be time based
2464 [17:04:20] <greycat> a really big sheeeww
2465 [17:04:24] <NeilHanlon> according to the splunk logs I'm looking at
2466 [17:05:37] <shtrb> NeilHanlon , do you have some special dhcp attributes at the office (geo location for instance ) ?
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2468 [17:05:48] <shtrb> and does it uses the same option each time ?
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2477 [17:06:51] <AtheroS__> hello, i try to login via ssh and i get this : replaced-url
2478 [17:07:02] <AtheroS__> can someone help me please ?
2479 [17:07:20] <shtrb> some office started to set the geo location, and if your SIP phone need to reregister it may trigger new dhcp request
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2486 [17:09:05] <greycat> AtheroS__: what were you expecting instead? Have you intentionally disabled password auth fallback on the dropbear raspbian server? Is *either* system actually Debian?
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2490 [17:09:41] <NeilHanlon> AH
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2492 [17:09:50] <NeilHanlon> actually no nevermind
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2494 [17:10:10] <NeilHanlon> I was going to say I have my ethernet chained off my cisco phone, but these are wireless DHCP requests
2495 [17:10:11] <shtrb> NeilHanlon , can you try drop the cisco thingy to verify if it not the cause ?
2496 [17:10:14] <NeilHanlon> replaced-url
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2499 [17:10:52] <NeilHanlon> shtrb: I can try to stop it
2500 [17:11:13] <shtrb> but if you have VoIP / XCAP device behind it I would also check that
2501 [17:12:13] <shtrb> you can try to trigger the phone reregister if you restart it (power off/on) or bump it's clock
2502 [17:12:20] <shtrb> it is usually enough
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2511 [17:14:42] <rjsalts> So, it looks like I may have suffered some data integrity issues on root filesystem, I now have a bunch of file in lost+found. Is there any way to compare md5/sha1/sha256 hash of those files with stuff in Contents/apt-file?
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2514 [17:15:15] <NeilHanlon> shtrb: yeah my point is that the DHCPRENEWs are coming over my wlan0, not eth0
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2518 [17:15:48] <NapoleonWils0n> hi all
2519 [17:16:02] <NapoleonWils0n> im trying to find a tool to upload to amazon s3
2520 [17:16:12] <NapoleonWils0n> tried awscli but didnt work at all
2521 [17:16:44] <shtrb> NeilHanlon , do you have xcap or any sip phone on that machine ?
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2524 [17:17:12] <NapoleonWils0n> s3cmd also has problems uploading files, even small 3mb files
2525 [17:17:12] <NeilHanlon> shtrb: I have a physical cisco SIP phone that I use to passthrough my ethernet
2526 [17:17:23] <NeilHanlon> laptop -> phone -> ethernet jack
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2530 [17:19:11] <shtrb> what happen if you plug the ethernet cable from the wall socket ?
2531 [17:19:18] <shtrb> *plug out
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2536 [17:20:03] <shtrb> will the phone try perform DHCP on the way to your laptop
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2546 [17:21:54] <glick> hi everyone
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2548 [17:22:12] <NeilHanlon> no it doesn't go that way shtrb (or, it shouldn't)
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2550 [17:22:23] <NeilHanlon> it should only send out on its main interface
2551 [17:22:40] <glick> question... what does {debian_chroot:+($debian_chroot)} in PS1 prompt string mean?
2552 [17:22:54] <NeilHanlon> plus we have other people with this setup (different OS) that don't have the issue
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2556 [17:23:18] <greycat> glick: it's a variable substitution. If that variable isn't set, nothing happens.
2557 [17:23:50] <glick> what does it do?
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2559 [17:24:11] <greycat> It expands to the value of the variable in parentheses, if it is set.
2560 [17:24:40] <NapoleonWils0n> apart from s3smd and awscli are there any other amazon s3 uploaders
2561 [17:24:47] <NapoleonWils0n> cant seem to get either to work
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2565 [17:25:07] <NapoleonWils0n> only thing i have found that works is cyberduck on the mac
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2576 [17:27:56] <Darby_Crash> hey NapoleonWils0n i'm a your fan :)
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2578 [17:28:32] <Darby_Crash> Carpenter rules ;)
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2580 [17:29:18] <Darby_Crash> hi guys, i have a issue with libcrypto on Stretch
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2585 [17:30:40] <Darby_Crash> segmentation fault using retroshare06
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2593 [17:32:58] <Darby_Crash> Jun 1 05:56:50 debian kernel: [ 3873.636941] RetroShare06[9149]: segfault at 12 ip 0000xxxxxxxxxxxx sp 0000xxxxxxxxxxxx error 4 in libcrypto.so.1.1[7f8b20950000+264000]
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2595 [17:33:54] <greycat> Why do you believe this to be an error in the library, vs. an error in the application that used the library?
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2599 [17:34:13] <Darby_Crash> because it work well on Jessie
2600 [17:34:22] <greycat> Lots and lots of perfectly cromulent C library functions will segfault if you pass NULL pointers to them unexpectedly.
2601 [17:34:36] <Darby_Crash> and other users have the same issue
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2603 [17:34:39] <greycat> *what* works well on jessie? what program? what happened?
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2606 [17:35:59] <Darby_Crash> replaced-url
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2608 [17:36:13] <Darby_Crash> greycat, please read it
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2610 [17:36:32] <greycat> Is "retroshare" the name of the application?
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2614 [17:37:48] <Darby_Crash> yes
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2616 [17:38:00] <Darby_Crash> this is my similar issue
2617 [17:38:01] <Darby_Crash> replaced-url
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2619 [17:39:27] <greycat> This channel won't have the technical expertise (or time or interest) to debug a C application segfaulting inside a crypto library. You'll need to take it up with the authors of the application, and they can help you with gdb and stack traces and so on, if they think that'll help them.
2620 [17:39:28] <Spec> looks like they recompiled the sauce against the correct libraries and it resolved the issue?
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2623 [17:40:26] <Darby_Crash> Spec, i've compiled retroshare but i have the same issue
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2628 [17:41:21] <Darby_Crash> maybe, i can try to change libssl version, right?
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2631 [17:42:07] <Spec> Darby_Crash: sorry, greycat's advice is the one to follow now, seek upstream help
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2633 [17:43:22] <Darby_Crash> thanks guys, sorry the question
2634 [17:43:26] <glick> hmm
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2638 [17:43:37] <glick> i cant figure out how my bash prompt is generated
2639 [17:43:45] <glick> im reading my .bashrc file
2640 [17:43:58] <greycat> what are you confused about?
2641 [17:44:02] <glick> and the PS1 setup is a little confusing and doesnt seem to match what i see
2642 [17:44:31] <greycat> PS1 contains a series of magic symbols that bash interprets and expands
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2644 [17:44:51] <glick> this is my prompt
2645 [17:44:58] <glick> \[\e]0;\u@\h: \w\a\]${debian_chroot:+($debian_chroot)}\u@\h:\w\$
2646 [17:45:20] <greycat> which part do you want to know about?
2647 [17:45:55] <glick> nothing in .bashrc seems to match that
2648 [17:46:16] <Spec> check /etc/bash.bashrc
2649 [17:46:32] <greycat> No, it should be coming from his ~/.bashrc which in turn may have come from /etc/skel/.bashrc at the time his account was made.
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2652 [17:46:50] <greycat> Unless he or his sysadmin has done something weird, but that looks very much like the Debian PS1, so....
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2656 [17:47:46] <Spec> ah yeah
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2662 [17:49:21] <glick> im trying to change my prompt
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2664 [17:49:30] <glick> and finding it very difficult to do
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2666 [17:49:48] <greycat> PS1='\h:\w\$ '
2667 [17:49:51] <Violinist> how come debian doesnt follow profile.d/scripts
2668 [17:50:04] <greycat> wooledg:~$ ls /etc/profile.d
2669 [17:50:04] <greycat> bash_completion.sh
2670 [17:50:18] <greycat> It's there. You can use it.
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2672 [17:50:27] <Violinist> i cant use it
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2674 [17:50:44] <Violinist> profile.d never gets picked up on debian but ubuntu it does
2675 [17:50:56] <greycat> wooledg:~$ grep profile.d /etc/profile
2676 [17:50:56] <greycat> if [ -d /etc/profile.d ]; then
2677 [17:50:56] <greycat> for i in /etc/profile.d/*.sh; do
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2689 [17:56:23] <glick> sweeet changed my prompt
2690 [17:56:27] <glick> :)
2691 [17:56:34] <glick> im a hacker!
2692 [17:56:48] <glick> thats a joke
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2694 [17:57:31] <shtrb> glick , hacker used to mean a person who use the tools for his needs
2695 [17:57:56] <glick> shtrb: i know. it still means that. but i dont think changing a shell prompt qualifies for use of the term
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2700 [17:59:53] <greycat> If you've *seen* some of the prompt questions we get in #bash you might not think of it as such a joke. ;-)
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2702 [18:00:13] <Violinist> somehow a cow got into my server
2703 [18:00:23] <JPT> Was it a Dirtycow?
2704 [18:00:23] <Violinist> its staring at me now
2705 [18:00:32] <greycat> Ask it to mooove somewhere else.
2706 [18:01:11] <shtrb> NeilHanlon , do you get an IP from both the ethernet and the wifi ?
2707 [18:01:11] <Violinist> hmm
2708 [18:01:21] <Violinist> i might have to write an animated shell
2709 [18:01:32] <Violinist> any1 thot of this already?
2710 [18:01:42] <NeilHanlon> shtrb: yeah
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2721 [18:03:57] <greycat> You could create a terminal emulator that draws cowsay style graphics, presenting the actual terminal inside a speech balloon.
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2725 [18:04:49] <shtrb> NeilHanlon , assuming two dhclient , one could try to reqest if the ethenet link goes down
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2727 [18:05:06] <shtrb> can you check in your legs , when the laptop start to request if link went down or something
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2729 [18:05:23] <shtrb> you can see in your past logs under /var/log/...
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2731 [18:05:46] <greycat> Yup, check your legs and feet to see if you kicked the cable.
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2734 [18:06:27] <shtrb> lol
2735 [18:06:33] <shtrb> or if there is a cat around
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2753 [18:12:10] <Violinist> argh
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2756 [18:12:24] <Violinist> gona have to move development to localhost
2757 [18:12:28] <Violinist> damit
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2763 [18:13:50] <bdax> Hi everyone. I'm on Debian Jessie, and looking to install a 'unified' theme that makes qt4, qt5 and gtk applications look the same, such as 'breeze' or 'adwaita'. Does anyone know if it's possible to install these on jessie?
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2766 [18:17:41] <bdax> nvm, think I've got it, thanks
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2806 [18:36:43] <new-nick> hi there
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2808 [18:37:01] <new-nick> any idea of the date of Debian Stretch 9 is releasing?
2809 [18:37:01] <shtrb> welcome back new-nick
2810 [18:37:11] <shtrb> 16/06
2811 [18:37:20] <shtrb> *17
2812 [18:37:23] <shtrb> in the topic
2813 [18:37:24] <new-nick> Hey there, shtrb, glad you are still around
2814 [18:37:24] <greycat> new-nick: /topic
2815 [18:37:38] <new-nick> What
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2818 [18:38:29] <new-nick> Ok, I am going to get a copy today and to try to fresh install on separate partition.
2819 [18:38:51] <shtrb> new-nick , what ? why ?
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2821 [18:39:06] <greycat> Why not?
2822 [18:39:31] <new-nick> Can we able to same partition location as the OS and set it as bootable ?
2823 [18:39:44] <greycat> One OS per partition, please.
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2826 [18:39:56] <shtrb> greycat , I think reinstalling should be the last resosrt
2827 [18:39:57] <new-nick> What is for the in the topic
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2830 [18:40:15] <greycat> shtrb: he didn't say "reinstall", he said "install"
2831 [18:40:33] <greycat> granted, he appears to have some trouble with English
2832 [18:40:36] <new-nick> oh ok I got the release date.
2833 [18:40:36] <shtrb> greycat , sorry , I missed that
2834 [18:40:43] <dontknow> debian 9 is rock solid here
2835 [18:41:07] <greycat> ETA = Estimated Time of Arrival, if that's what was tripping you up
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2840 [18:43:58] <new-nick> greycat, I understand 1 OS person partition and that's how I have installed. I kept the Windows as it comes with OEM. I remember, I installed Jessie June 2015 and keep it updated. But I not sure whether I install Jessie Grub on Windows bootloader partition.
2841 [18:44:42] <greycat> If your windows partitions cover the entire disk, SHRINK one of them to a smaller size, and create a new partition inside the free space.
2842 [18:45:27] <new-nick> I am going to install Stretch freshly on separate partition and just checking whether to able to install Grub boot loader on same partition as Stretch or I let the OS installer update/replace current Grub
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2844 [18:46:42] <greycat> The boot loader goes on the DISK, not on a partition.
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2846 [18:47:13] <new-nick> Since I will be trying "testing" Stretch now, I don't want mess with current Grub. (better do a backup of Grub partition?)
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2848 [18:47:37] <greycat> Grub doesn't use a partition. It writes to the start of the disk. Outside of all partitions.
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2851 [18:48:05] <new-nick> AFAIK, Windows create very first partition of 100 MB for bootloader and rest for OS partition.
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2853 [18:48:30] <greycat> Then leave that windows partition alone. Don't touch it. Don't even look at it.
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2856 [18:48:49] <greycat> If you mean an EFI partition, that's slightly different, and Debian may or may not put things inside it.
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2858 [18:49:24] <shtrb> lol
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2860 [18:50:09] <new-nick> And with Gparted, I see /dev/sda2 , fat32, /boot/efi 260 MB. flagged as boot. So, I guess this is where bootloader/Grub installed with just 260 MB partition ?
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2862 [18:50:12] <shtrb> Depening on the provider , there can be a number of parttions , in case of windows up to 3 (restore , windowws , factory) to one
2863 [18:50:22] <shtrb> it can be MBR or GPT and many others
2864 [18:50:22] <greycat> EFI. Yeah, that's ... the EFI partition.
2865 [18:50:36] <greycat> Just leave it alone.
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2868 [18:50:49] <shtrb> new-nick , brick EFI and you brick the laptop
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2871 [18:52:01] <new-nick> But, any way, since I am not familiar with Grub, I take your words and learn the Grub doesn't use partition but use begining of disk. is there a way to back up Grub before installing Stretch ? (believe Stretch will replace current Grub
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2877 [18:52:49] <greycat> I wouldn't bother trying to make a backup of the boot loader. If disaster happens, you can just boot from the installation medium again.
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2881 [18:53:15] <new-nick> that's sound a relief
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2886 [18:54:10] <new-nick> apart from the bootloader, is it ok to download Stretch to start with it even before release date?
2887 [18:54:23] <greycat> Yes. Lots of us have been using it for a while now.
2888 [18:54:44] <greycat> This close to release, it's not likely to change very much.
2889 [18:55:24] <new-nick> awesome
2890 [18:55:41] <BluesKaj> stretch runs just fine here, no problems at all
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2892 [18:55:44] <shtrb> new-nick , debian is like a rock, it rigid and usually will not brake but when it does you have a mess
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2897 [18:56:23] <new-nick> I want to have separate copy of OS. I have been messing up Jessie for some time. Fresh and clean start will be ok to me .
2898 [18:56:26] <greycat> That kind of breakage is usually reserved for unstable.
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2901 [18:56:56] <BluesKaj> shtrb, it only brakes for oncoming traffic and it won't break if it does :-)
2902 [18:57:02] <new-nick> And I want to have a backup Os.
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2904 [18:57:43] <greycat> new-nick: if you're going to keep both versions around for a while, the thing you want to understand about grub is that any time you upgrade certain packages on EITHER system (kernel, udev, other stuff that goes in the initramfs), it'll use THAT system to modify grub.
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2914 [18:58:48] <new-nick> Ok, two weeks ago, I apt upgrade as usual but after 1.5 month break, and having a issue to be resolved till today by apt upgrading daily.
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2917 [18:59:53] <new-nick> issue is that I have not had before. When even the computer screen goes to sleep and I wake it up, the cursor disappear. But able to click on the button element but no cursor on the screen.
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2919 [19:00:30] <new-nick> The only way I get back the cursor, to blindly navigate to menu and log myself then resume to get the cursor.
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2923 [19:01:17] <new-nick> I have been waiting it to resolved after few updates, till today, I am facing the issue that I disabled screen going blank.
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2925 [19:01:53] <new-nick> But any way, enough issues, I neglecting this problem and hopefully get sorted with future apt upgrade.
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2937 [19:04:09] <new-nick> Grey, "it'll use THAT system to modify grub" -- for this I plan to separate install Grub on separate location ? WIll it works ?
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2939 [19:04:30] <greycat> It'll work, but each time you upgrade, it'll modify the grub menu (potentially).
2940 [19:04:47] <greycat> upgrade on stretch -> grub changes. boot into jessie. upgrade on jessie -> grub changes.
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2949 [19:05:54] <new-nick> greycat. ha ha, thank u for this point out. Other wise, I will be in a mess.
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2951 [19:06:12] <shtrb> mess can be fun sometimes
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2955 [19:06:59] <new-nick> Guys. I came from Windows environment and very much not getting hold to Grub for now.
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2957 [19:07:21] <shtrb> new-nick , grub is not that different from ntldr and friends
2958 [19:07:28] <new-nick> shtrb, sure but I am not affordable with time.
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2960 [19:07:28] <shtrb> it's just better , easier to maintaine and just works
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2962 [19:08:10] <new-nick> I read this : if you don't like the unencrypted /boot partition, you could boot the system off a USB key, which you can keep separate from the system except for when booting and upgrading the kernel. All you need to do for that is install the bootloader and kernel onto the device and configure it to use the proper encryption volume on the harddisk as root filesystem.
2963 [19:08:31] <greycat> you're not using disk encryption, are you?
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2965 [19:08:40] <shtrb> you don't really have an option with an encrypted boot parttion ...
2966 [19:08:42] <new-nick> isn't mean that we can choose the location/partition in installer to install GRUB MBR ?
2967 [19:09:04] <new-nick> No, I am not using disk encryption.
2968 [19:09:26] <shtrb> grub can be installed on the first 446 bytes of the first "sector" on the bootable disk
2969 [19:09:27] <greycat> then ignore that entire thing you are reading
2970 [19:09:46] <shtrb> and it is usullly enough (install on MBR /GPT)
2971 [19:10:21] <new-nick> No on, I am not concern of encryption at all. Just want to see the possiblities to choose location for MBR installation.
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2977 [19:11:08] <shtrb> didn't you say you have EFI ?
2978 [19:11:13] <greycat> He did. He does.
2979 [19:11:24] <new-nick> For WIndows, I had 3 OS with 3 MBR.separately. I can boot to each OS by setting MBR as boot flag
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2981 [19:11:37] <greycat> You are confused. You do not have "3 MBRs".
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2983 [19:11:53] <shtrb> MBR - from 0 to 446 byte in the first sector
2984 [19:12:03] <shtrb> *sorry just first sector
2985 [19:12:07] <bjorn__> Hi guys, i need help for a problem about Adobe AIR 2, some1 is free ? :)
2986 [19:12:17] <greycat> The MBR is the first part of the disk, bytes 0 through 511, used on legacy msdos disk booting setups, *NOT* on (U)EFI.
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2991 [19:13:24] <new-nick> ok, I guess what I have on other 3 partition with 100 MB ?
2992 [19:13:40] <greycat> We don't know what partitions you have. You could run fdisk -l and see.
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2994 [19:14:03] <shtrb> If that is factory , it can be the the windows boot , protective mbr , or factory reset
2995 [19:14:11] <shtrb> *freedos parttion
2996 [19:14:15] <Crell> Hello. What's the easiest way to determine if a given package was compiled with a certain flag?
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2999 [19:14:39] <greycat> Crell: download the sources (deb-src, apt-get source, etc.) and read the debian diffs
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3002 [19:14:55] <Crell> Hm, it wouldn't be listed in the online index somewhere?
3003 [19:15:08] <greycat> Unless that *specific* program has some command-line option to tell you how it was built. Some do.
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3007 [19:16:23] <Crell> (I'm specifically trying to determine if memcached has igbinary enabled.)
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3010 [19:17:41] <Crell> Where would the debian diffs be? (I've not dug into deb source package internals before; I'm just looking on the anonscm.debian.org site at the moment.)
3011 [19:17:51] <shtrb> greycat ,he also need to read the Makefile / rules file
3012 [19:18:26] <greycat> Well, the *easiest* thing to do would be apt-get source, which extract and applies the diffs for you. Then you can just read foopkg-x.y.z/debian/rules which is a Makefile.
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3031 [19:25:10] <Crell> greycat: I'm not actually on the system with the package; I'm building a container. :-) I'm just a bit surprised that this information isn't otherwise available.;
3032 [19:25:36] <greycat> Doesn't matter what system you're on. You can apt-get source anywhere, as long as it's the same release.
3033 [19:25:49] <Crell> It's not. Hang on, let me dig up a VM.
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3035 [19:26:09] <Crell> (My laptop is Ubuntu, the container I'm building is debian stretch.)
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3078 [19:40:50] <Walakea> how can i check my CPU chache sizes?
3079 [19:41:44] <greycat> get the CPU model number out of /proc/cpuinfo and google it?
3080 [19:41:50] <sonOfRa> cat /proc/cpuinfo will show some information. That will give you your model and make, and then you can look up the exact specs on the manufacturer site
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3082 [19:42:20] <greycat> oh, there's actually a "cache size" *in* /proc/cpuinfo
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3086 [19:42:44] <greycat> so, whatever that means, there you go. numbers. :)
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3092 [19:43:36] <Walakea> running it through grep gives me 4× the same 2 numbers
3093 [19:43:42] <greycat> 4 cores
3094 [19:44:19] <Walakea> that would be it
3095 [19:44:32] <Walakea> but aren't there more levels of cache?
3096 [19:44:45] <sonOfRa> try lscpu
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3099 [19:44:55] <sonOfRa> Not sure what package it's in, not running a debian right now
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3101 [19:45:04] <Walakea> that's it, thanks
3102 [19:45:49] <greycat> it's in util-linux
3103 [19:45:51] <Walakea> i thought they are smaller
3104 [19:45:57] <Walakea> smallest is 32 K
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3107 [19:46:40] <Crell> greycat: OK, I booted a VM and apt-get source'd memcached. Where does it store the source packages, though?
3108 [19:46:51] <greycat> wherever you are
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3110 [19:47:05] <Crell> Oh! cwd? That's... not at all what I expected.
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3113 [19:47:57] <sonOfRa> Crell: it's so that you can do it as a regular user, and not just the root user :)
3114 [19:48:10] <Crell> That makes sense, I suppose. Just not what I expected.
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3116 [19:48:26] <Crell> The rules file has no mention of "igbinary", so I'm going to assume it's not enabled. That's unfortuntae.
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3139 [19:56:37] <pie3> anyone streamed/mirrored from android to laptop?
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3187 [20:13:44] <glick> pardon why is this command not working
3188 [20:13:49] <glick> am i not understanding how xargs works?
3189 [20:13:58] <glick> find ProSpanish/ -name "*.ogg" -print0 | xargs -0 mv {} {}.test
3190 [20:13:58] <greycat> Oh god, xargs.
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3192 [20:14:14] <glick> lol
3193 [20:14:21] <glick> whats wrong with xargs
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3195 [20:14:31] <greycat> You need a shell. find blah -name '*.ogg' -type f -exec sh -c 'for f do mv "$f" "$f.test"; done' x {} +
3196 [20:14:41] <greycat> /msg greybot xargs
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3198 [20:14:57] <glick> that starts a new shell for every arg found
3199 [20:15:04] <greycat> No, it doesn't. The + groups them.
3200 [20:15:18] <greycat> That's why there's a for loop inside the inner shell.
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3203 [20:16:15] <glick> what does the x {} + bit do?
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3206 [20:17:34] <greycat> This is a work in progress, but it explains: replaced-url
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3208 [20:17:51] <greycat> See also replaced-url
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3212 [20:18:40] <glick> cool greycat
3213 [20:18:48] <glick> nice guide
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3215 [20:19:14] <spacebug^> when I'm going to upgrade to Stretch - should I first disable my backport.list for apt?
3216 [20:19:16] <jhutchins_wk_> greycat: Got anything on ssh tunneling?
3217 [20:19:29] <greycat> Yes, but it's very old.
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3219 [20:19:39] <greycat> replaced-url
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3222 [20:20:36] <greycat> spacebug^: shouldn't matter, really.
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3224 [20:21:48] <spacebug^> greycat: ok, thanks
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3227 [20:23:25] <webuser5-> Hello everyone
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3231 [20:24:44] <webuser5-> How does one keep their system secure?
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3233 [20:25:13] <greycat> Apply security patches regularly, don't break things yourself.
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3235 [20:25:29] <webuser5-> My precise question would be: are there many attacks who target default packages of, say, Debian Stable?
3236 [20:25:51] <webuser5-> Or are they mostly happening when the users uses a browser, surfs the web and downloads and opens files?
3237 [20:26:02] <webuser5-> which*
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3239 [20:26:14] <greycat> Most attacks on Unix/Linux systems would be against network-listening services like Apache or sshd.
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3244 [20:28:35] <webuser5-> Also including something like package managers?
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3247 [20:29:41] <greycat> I'm not sure what you are thinking of. If you want to break into someone's system by offering them a package to install, you don't NEED a vulnerability in the package manager. The package is installed as root. Just put your malicious code directly in the package (e.g. in the postinst script).
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3277 [20:39:13] <pie3> any mint user?
3278 [20:39:25] <greycat> !mint
3279 [20:39:25] <dpkg> Linux Mint is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Please use their forums at replaced-url
3280 [20:39:27] <towo`> this is a debian channel
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3282 [20:39:43] <webuser5-> And for a Desktop system that doesn't host content via something like a webserver? What would be the most critical applications?
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3284 [20:39:58] <greycat> If it's a desktop box, probably your web browser.
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3287 [20:40:31] <glick> $
3288 [20:40:36] <glick> whats a good terminal font
3289 [20:40:45] <glick> i can barely tell the difference between a dollar sign and a s
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3316 [20:48:16] <teraflops> glick: just pick a well made one (by professionals), many fonts suck imo
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3321 [20:48:35] <webuser5-> greycat, thanks for your answers.
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3323 [20:48:56] <greycat> I just use whatever the default font is. Some variant of 'fixed', I'm sure.
3324 [20:49:06] <webuser5-> Is there anything regarding, say, iptables that I should configure after installing a default Debian Stable?
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3326 [20:49:14] <webuser5-> In case I only use the default packages
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3328 [20:49:41] <greycat> No. Debian doesn't set up any firewall by default, so there is nothing you need to tweak.
3329 [20:50:08] <greycat> It's unlikely that you'd want any kind of firewall on a desktop box.
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3335 [20:51:54] <Resilience> greycat, whre would you want a firewall? and for what reasons?
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3339 [20:52:29] <teraflops> glick: for terminal you want a fixed width one, and depending on the format (otf, ttf,…) you may also need to tune the hinting style
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3342 [20:53:01] <greycat> Usually on a router that you set up specifically to *be* a firewall. Very occasionally on a server, but it would be a weird customized local thing.
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3352 [20:59:01] <new-nick> hey there greycat, I left half way early today. I need to get refresh on what we were talking about.
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3356 [21:01:06] <new-nick> Basically, after learning that using jessie and Stretch will cause Grub Kernel whenever packages updated. Is there any working solution to use two different version of Debian on same machine & disk.
3357 [21:01:32] <greycat> Either let 'em fight it out, or disable the updating of grub from one of 'em.
3358 [21:02:00] <new-nick> Here is my clear intention of using Debian Jessie & Stretch on same machine/disk
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3363 [21:02:45] <new-nick> That's enlightening to disable Grub updating on one version, probably on Jessie.
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3368 [21:03:19] <mtn> new-nick: updating the grub package does not cause grub to be reintalled to the hard drive
3369 [21:03:40] <mtn> new-nick: dual booting is no problem with debian or any other distro
3370 [21:03:48] <greycat> I described grub being updated when kernel, udev, etc. are upgraded.
3371 [21:03:55] <greycat> And STOP notice-ing or msg-ing me.
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3373 [21:05:07] <new-nick> ok :) I am sorry that I am not sure how this notice command works I am trying to figure to send reply with nickname along. (newbie on IRC)
3374 [21:05:38] <greycat> In most clients, you type the first few letters of the person's name, then press Tab.
3375 [21:06:32] <new-nick> like mtn said, dual booting should be supported with Grub with out much problem. And again, like you said, I can't let it fight with kernel updating
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3378 [21:06:43] <greycat> You can.
3379 [21:06:56] <greycat> It is a perfectly viable option.
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3383 [21:07:59] <new-nick> to be clear, just installing two version and not disabling grub updating one version is perfectly viable?
3384 [21:08:04] <greycat> Yes.
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3386 [21:08:34] <mtn> new-nick: yes
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3389 [21:09:26] <new-nick> Great then. I even pooling into install OS one partition and then choose Grub location on a pen drive. This way I insert pen drive to whenever I want to boot the newly installed OS.
3390 [21:09:49] <greycat> That's a bit over the top, but it's your computer.
3391 [21:10:26] <new-nick> greycat: earlier I must be confused to use the term MBR wrongly.
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3393 [21:10:51] <greycat> Your computer uses EFI, so the "MBR" does not actually exist as such. If we use the very technical definition.
3394 [21:11:12] <new-nick> greycat: am I using the tab with nick name command properly .? :)
3395 [21:11:26] <greycat> And I do not fully understand UEFI booting, so others may be better equipped to answer technical questions about EFI.
3396 [21:11:36] <greycat> new-nick: yes
3397 [21:12:08] <new-nick> Yes, this computer use EFI and doesn't has MBR.
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3399 [21:13:15] <new-nick> mtn: And I am excitied to know that its all be okay to use multi-version. Also want to test Stretch with latest kernel.
3400 [21:13:43] <new-nick> greycat: thumbs up to you! ;-)
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3411 [21:17:04] <larvallid> petn-randall, you said the bios contains microcode for the CPU. what about the wifi adapter?
3412 [21:17:06] <new-nick> Just a general question. I am using Pidgin. Is there any way to set option to disable not to see this message "nickame entered the room" seem annoying and disturbing
3413 [21:18:07] <greycat> replaced-url
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3416 [21:18:51] <greycat> apparently "hide" is more popular than "disable", but it still got me there
3417 [21:20:10] <new-nick> :)
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3419 [21:20:54] <new-nick> greycat: thanks for search phrase and I use Duck Duck go. Enabled the plug in
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3421 [21:21:24] <jvelasquez> how do I `dpkg -i *.deb` in headless mode? so it doesn't stop to ask any questions?
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3423 [21:21:59] <greycat> jvelasquez: dpkg --force-help
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3425 [21:22:23] <teraflops> Here for many clients replaced-url
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3431 [21:23:39] <new-nick> teraflops: thank you and I set
3432 [21:23:47] <larvallid> Atm0spher1c, i have debian 9 installed. i came online earlier today while you were offline and asked about this: without any system modifications or packages, wifi works on debian 9, although it still has the problem of disconnecting occasionally. i want to know how this is possible?
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3463 [21:40:22] <neoclust> hi
3464 [21:40:54] <neoclust> on debian, i don't find the equivalent of rpm -qf ( to find to which package an installed file belong )
3465 [21:40:58] <neoclust> can you help me pleas ?
3466 [21:41:01] <neoclust> can you help me please ?
3467 [21:41:17] <greycat> neoclust: dpkg -S filename
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3470 [21:41:58] <neoclust> greycat: than you, i try
3471 [21:42:00] <neoclust> greycat: thank you, i try
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3477 [21:46:48] <bezaban> !ask
3478 [21:46:48] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
3479 [21:47:00] <bezaban> !smart questions
3480 [21:47:00] <dpkg> Go here to find out how to ask intelligent questions: replaced-url
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3503 [21:59:28] <BernhardPosselt> so stretch will be released in 2 weeks
3504 [21:59:36] <BernhardPosselt> how well can you upgrade already?
3505 [21:59:39] <greycat> that's the plan, yeah
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3508 [21:59:47] <BernhardPosselt> i suppose there are no blockers anymore right?
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3512 [22:00:02] <greycat> Many people here have reported no problems.
3513 [22:00:20] <BernhardPosselt> ok, then i will make a backup and do it :D
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3515 [22:00:30] <greycat> obviously it will depend on what packages you use, and how you use them
3516 [22:00:35] <BernhardPosselt> right
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3523 [22:03:40] <BernhardPosselt> dist-upgrade is the same as upgrade + removing packages, right?
3524 [22:04:02] <BernhardPosselt> as in: no need to mix both
3525 [22:04:57] <greycat> dist-upgrade will install new packages, or remove old ones, if apt thinks it sounds like a good idea
3526 [22:06:59] <BernhardPosselt> oh wow
3527 [22:07:02] <BernhardPosselt> super neat changelog :)
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3540 [22:14:29] <BernhardPosselt> how are you supposed to merge configs?
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3544 [22:15:27] <BernhardPosselt> port your changes to /etc/spamassassin/local.cf.dpkg-new ?
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3548 [22:16:25] <teraflops> BernhardPosselt: very carefully
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3551 [22:17:28] <teraflops> ,v vimdiff
3552 [22:17:29] <judd> No package named 'vimdiff' was found in amd64.
3553 [22:17:35] <teraflops> hmm
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3570 [22:33:05] <BernhardPosselt> hm replaced-url
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3605 [22:52:21] <BernhardPosselt> any idea how to proceed with a failed ejabberd? replaced-url
3606 [22:52:44] <BernhardPosselt> ejabberd-mod-muc-log-http depends on ejabberd (>= 16.09); however: Package ejabberd is not configured yet.
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3608 [22:54:15] <BernhardPosselt> is there a way to just skip ejabberd?
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3618 [22:58:14] <nicespetsonever> what does this TIME mean in top 339:45.19 ? can't be 339 hours ^^
3619 [22:59:02] <greycat> There's only one : so it's clearly minutes.
3620 [22:59:17] <BernhardPosselt> well, i just uninstall ejabberd
3621 [22:59:31] <BernhardPosselt> problem gone
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3626 [23:02:02] <Putti> After I have upgraded wordpress package on Jessie should I restart apache service in which the wordpress is running? I mean from the perspective that the (security) changes get applied.
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3629 [23:02:52] <`Kevin> Putti: depends on lots of things ... if you have a opcache such as apc then yes (one example)
3630 [23:03:18] <`Kevin> but even that depends on your setup as to if you actually need to
3631 [23:03:48] <Putti> kevinsan, ok, I will then look bit more on the caching on apache and also what stuff gets run on the upgrade scripts
3632 [23:04:04] <Putti> Kevin *
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3634 [23:04:34] <Putti> `Kevin, and thank you
3635 [23:04:39] <`Kevin> :)
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3641 [23:08:00] <BernhardPosselt> ha, replaced-url
3642 [23:08:01] <judd> Bug replaced-url
3643 [23:08:15] <BernhardPosselt> the shipped config is broken
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3647 [23:10:49] <BernhardPosselt> apart from the dovecot and ejabber issue it seems to work
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3659 [23:18:56] <Eduard_Munteanu> Would anyone really uae SSLv2?
3660 [23:19:09] <Eduard_Munteanu> *use
3661 [23:19:11] <BernhardPosselt> Eduard_Munteanu: its blacklisted
3662 [23:19:20] <BernhardPosselt> but the blacklist fails because it does not exist anymore
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3664 [23:19:27] <Eduard_Munteanu> Ah.
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3668 [23:21:43] <BernhardPosselt> apart from that the php 7 schisma is a bit meh
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3670 [23:21:49] <dizaztor> Yo.
3671 [23:21:54] <BernhardPosselt> why would anyone want to run 5.6 and 7.0 side by side
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3690 [23:32:25] <gzcwnk> hi I am trying to install rabbitmq-server and its failing due to unmet dependancies esl-erlang or erlaon-nox they are unmet dependancies?
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3692 [23:34:43] <dizaztor> Are you installing it for the fist time?
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3714 [23:47:44] <DDGO> I upgraded my server, including OpenVPN using apt-get upgrade, now Google blocks me from the seach results "Our systems have detected unusual traffic from your computer ...."
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3717 [23:48:58] <glick> use dickdickgo DDGO
3718 [23:49:04] <glick> uh...
3719 [23:49:07] <glick> duckduckgo
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3722 [23:49:55] <DDGO> Sure, but what can I do regarding my issue with Google, its not maleware (I recieved while upgrading)
3723 [23:50:05] <DDGO> Right?
3724 [23:50:23] <glick> google doesnt like tor nor vpns because google likes to know who you are for advertisement and surveillance purposes
3725 [23:50:50] <DDGO> Oh, thank you. That is what I thought
3726 [23:51:03] <bdax> pretty odd that it was caused by an update though
3727 [23:51:07] <bdax> have you looked at the changelog?
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3729 [23:53:17] <DDGO> Nothing suspicious or any particular reason
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3737 [23:57:20] <bdax> but now google knows you're using a vpn whereas before they didn't. unless the update causes your web requests to include some odd proxy header, I can't think how google would know
3738 [23:57:31] <bdax> unless you share the vpn
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3741 [23:58:13] <n_blownapart> hi I have some terminal colors I installed in bash. Is it standard to see a symlink in red ?
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3743 [23:59:05] <DDGO> I will move my DO Droplet to a new location to recieve a new IP, I hope it will work
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