People who Joins , Parts or Quits a chatroom
this is #debian an IRC -Channel at freenode (freenode IRC service closed 2021-06-01)
0 [00:00:16] <vvor> Sir_Designer: just fused with it for a long time
1 [00:00:41] *** Joins: lethu__ (~lethu@replaced-ip )
2 [00:01:37] *** Joins: juantelez (~juantelez@replaced-ip )
3 [00:01:46] *** Joins: dontknow (~dontknow@replaced-ip )
4 [00:02:01] *** Joins: relaxed (~relaxed@replaced-ip )
5 [00:02:08] *** Quits: lethu_ (~lethu@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
6 [00:02:21] <glick> i see vvor
7 [00:02:29] <glick> yeah i want to use emacs as the editor for mutt
8 [00:02:31] <glick> thats what i mean
9 [00:02:43] <glick> not mutt within emacs
10 [00:02:56] <glick> im still new to emacs
11 [00:03:01] *** Quits: bariscant (~bariscant@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)
12 [00:03:19] <vvor> that's good
13 [00:03:38] <glick> i havent used gnu in a long time
14 [00:03:48] <glick> a good 3 plus years
15 [00:03:54] <glick> so forgot a bunch of stuff
16 [00:03:59] *** Joins: nullbyte_ (~ghost@replaced-ip )
17 [00:04:18] <Sir_Designer> it's cool. see if emacs stars nice and fast in the shell. if it does, no problem
18 [00:04:36] <glick> right now i use mate
19 [00:04:48] <glick> i3 looks kina cool
20 [00:05:12] *** Joins: torjeh (~Torje@replaced-ip )
21 [00:05:17] <nullbyte_> how can i add from grub2-update uefi Windows 10 to grub i have os-prober.. becouse by default grub doesnt add uefi
22 [00:05:47] <Lowl3v3l> glick: there are way more tiling wm's and their combinations. e.g. i use xfce but with a tiling window manager underneath :D
23 [00:06:06] *** Joins: xet7_ (~xet7@replaced-ip )
24 [00:06:14] <glick> i see Lowl3v3l
25 [00:06:14] <vvor> glick: if you are in to that... checkout DWM
26 [00:06:34] *** Joins: crayxmp (~crayxmp@replaced-ip )
27 [00:06:37] <glick> i dont know what im into, like i said ive been away from gnu for a good 4 years or so
28 [00:06:46] *** Quits: Stameni (~Stameni@replaced-ip ) (Quit: Lost terminal)
29 [00:07:14] *** Joins: aaro (~aaro@replaced-ip )
30 [00:08:32] *** Quits: xet7 (~xet7@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
31 [00:09:56] <vvor> glick: my 2c, jump in! but first preppier a good working setup that you can go back to. After taht go exotic i.e. tiling etc.
32 [00:12:48] *** Quits: juantelez (~juantelez@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
33 [00:13:33] *** Joins: SalanderLives (~SalanderL@replaced-ip )
34 [00:13:36] <vvor> glick: Don't swallow it all at once. Get a hang of Emacs move on to Mutt then to tiling WM...
35 [00:13:40] <glick> goof advices vvor
36 [00:13:47] <glick> good
37 [00:13:48] <glick> lol
38 [00:14:11] <klow> Anyone know if its possible to add "margins" (blank space) to a linux console (like not X-Windows but just tty1). I have a typing-only laptop I use with nano and Id like to move the text more towards center screen on this old laptop .. make sense?
39 [00:14:22] <glick> in irssi alt-arrows are used to change channels
40 [00:14:26] *** Quits: nullbyte_ (~ghost@replaced-ip ) (Quit: quit.)
41 [00:14:36] <glick> i3 alt-arros are used to change windows
42 [00:14:39] <glick> so what do you do?
43 [00:14:52] <glick> in that situation
44 [00:14:53] <glick> ?
45 [00:14:58] *** Quits: gam3r (~quassel@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
46 [00:15:25] <vvor> remap :-)
47 [00:15:30] *** Joins: nick8325 (~user@replaced-ip )
48 [00:15:32] *** Quits: centrx (~centrx@replaced-ip ) ()
49 [00:16:07] <vvor> or use DWM ;-)
50 [00:16:26] *** Joins: abu0 (~abu0@replaced-ip )
51 [00:16:29] *** Joins: x4n4 (~x4n4@replaced-ip )
52 [00:16:43] *** Quits: kupi (uid212005@replaced-ip ) (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity)
53 [00:17:08] *** Quits: monpocchi (~monpocchi@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
54 [00:18:47] *** Quits: sikun (~David@replaced-ip ) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
55 [00:18:57] *** Quits: spont4e (~spont4e@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
56 [00:18:58] *** Quits: or4n (or4n@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
57 [00:19:06] *** Quits: nick8325 (~user@replaced-ip ) (Client Quit)
58 [00:19:25] <vvor> klow: does'nt nano it occupy the hole screen?
59 [00:19:57] <klow> vvor: it does. So im trying to figure out a way if i can shrink and center the TTY itself
60 [00:20:01] *** Joins: spont4e (~spont4e@replaced-ip )
61 [00:20:22] *** Quits: dionysus69 (~Thunderbi@replaced-ip ) (Quit: dionysus69)
62 [00:20:23] <klow> I can shrink it, but it shrinks to the top left corner (with SCREEN_WIDTH/HEIGH environment varaibles followed by "setupcon" command)
63 [00:20:50] <klow> But I use this laptop for nothing but typing into nano , and I would like to center nano a bit so I am not always looking at the far left of the laptop screen
64 [00:20:52] *** Joins: remo (~user@replaced-ip )
65 [00:20:54] *** Joins: benklop (~quassel@replaced-ip )
66 [00:20:55] *** Quits: SaschaVoid (~Void@replaced-ip ) (Quit: die();)
67 [00:20:59] *** Quits: fax (~fax@replaced-ip ) (Quit: Konversation terminated!)
68 [00:21:00] <klow> since what I am writing is usually short lines (lyrics)
69 [00:22:00] *** debhelper sets mode: +l 1715
70 [00:22:07] *** Quits: LucaTM (~LucaTM@replaced-ip ) (Quit: To infinity and beyond...)
71 [00:22:14] <vvor> klow: you can run it in screen
72 [00:22:25] *** Quits: Jacob843 (~Jacob843@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
73 [00:23:17] <vvor> klow: split it with something, as a hack
74 [00:23:20] *** Quits: Lowl3v3l (~lowl3v3l@replaced-ip ) (Quit: Leaving.)
75 [00:23:34] *** Joins: heurist`_ (heurist@replaced-ip )
76 [00:24:51] *** Quits: dohfish (~oemillak@replaced-ip ) (Quit: mIRC 7.1 - nbs-irc 2.39 - Danishbits Custom Klient v3.0)
77 [00:25:26] *** Quits: kalipso (~kalipso@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
78 [00:25:38] *** Quits: rrehbein (~rrehbein@replaced-ip ) (Quit: Leaving)
79 [00:26:54] <vvor> klow: C-a | // Create a split
80 [00:27:06] *** Joins: finlstrm (~finlstrm@replaced-ip )
81 [00:27:34] <klow> vvor : thats not a bad idea. thanks
82 [00:27:41] *** Quits: woshty (~irc@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)
83 [00:27:45] <vvor> klow: C-a <Tab> // Move to the split
84 [00:28:01] *** Quits: thurin (thurin@replaced-ip ) (Quit: quit)
85 [00:28:09] <vvor> klow: C-a c // Create a new window within the split
86 [00:28:39] *** Joins: thurin (thurin@replaced-ip )
87 [00:29:45] *** Joins: Makeeter (~FF@replaced-ip )
88 [00:32:09] *** Quits: remo (~user@replaced-ip ) (Remote host closed the connection)
89 [00:33:31] *** Quits: shtirlic (~shtirlic@replaced-ip##) (Quit: ZNC - ##replaced-url
90 [00:33:37] *** Joins: remo (~user@replaced-ip )
91 [00:33:46] *** Joins: ToBeCloud (uid51591@replaced-ip )
92 [00:34:25] *** Quits: juboxi (~juboxi@replaced-ip ) (Remote host closed the connection)
93 [00:34:25] *** Joins: shtirlic (~shtirlic@replaced-ip )
94 [00:34:36] *** Quits: czesmir_ (~stefan@replaced-ip ) (Quit: Lost terminal)
95 [00:34:52] *** Joins: juboxi (~juboxi@replaced-ip )
96 [00:35:53] *** Quits: llucenic (~Thunderbi@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
97 [00:36:25] *** Quits: Achylles (~Achylles@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
98 [00:36:35] *** Quits: \\Mr_C\\ (mrc@replaced-ip ) (Quit: .)
99 [00:37:44] *** Joins: ArabicSoap (uid135169@replaced-ip )
100 [00:40:09] *** Quits: sbasso (~sbasso@replaced-ip ) (Remote host closed the connection)
101 [00:40:13] *** Joins: juantelez (~juantelez@replaced-ip )
102 [00:40:30] *** Joins: dohfish (~oemillak@replaced-ip )
103 [00:40:35] *** Joins: hagridaaron (~hagridaar@replaced-ip )
104 [00:41:17] *** Quits: bit1 (~joseanton@replaced-ip ) (Quit: Abandonando)
105 [00:41:42] *** Parts: johnkeates (~johnkeate@replaced-ip )
106 [00:41:59] *** Joins: monpocchi (~monpocchi@replaced-ip )
107 [00:42:26] *** Quits: Dollar (~dollar@replaced-ip ) (Quit: WeeChat 1.8)
108 [00:45:11] *** Joins: sorin-mihai (equinox@replaced-ip )
109 [00:45:21] *** Quits: sorin-mihai (equinox@replaced-ip ) (Remote host closed the connection)
110 [00:46:06] *** Quits: Haudegen (~quassel@replaced-ip ) (Remote host closed the connection)
111 [00:47:42] *** Joins: kalipso (~kalipso@replaced-ip )
112 [00:47:43] *** Quits: torjeh (~Torje@replaced-ip##) (Quit: Textual IRC Client: ##replaced-url
113 [00:47:49] *** Quits: dontknow (~dontknow@replaced-ip ) (Quit: Leaving)
114 [00:48:55] *** Joins: mer0v (~mer0v@replaced-ip )
115 [00:49:10] *** Quits: LifeFrame (~smica@replaced-ip ) (Quit: Bye)
116 [00:49:38] *** Quits: kpease (~kpease@replaced-ip##) (Quit: Textual IRC Client: ##replaced-url
117 [00:50:44] *** Quits: SuperTramp83 (~SuperTram@replaced-ip ) (Quit: zzz..)
118 [00:52:00] *** debhelper sets mode: +l 1705
119 [00:52:03] *** Joins: Xanthor (~Xanthor@replaced-ip )
120 [00:54:12] *** Joins: mohammad-ghasemi (~mohammad@replaced-ip )
121 [00:54:32] <mohammad-ghasemi> how to know my debian version
122 [00:54:32] <mohammad-ghasemi> ?
123 [00:54:42] <cafuego> cat /etc/debian_version
124 [00:54:48] <cafuego> or 'lsb-release -a'
125 [00:54:49] *** Quits: RebelCoderRU (~Yuriy@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)
126 [00:54:54] <mohammad-ghasemi> cafuego: thank you
127 [00:54:58] *** Quits: tortal (tortal@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
128 [00:55:04] <cafuego> Sorry, `lsb_release -a`
129 [00:55:32] *** Joins: macartur (~macartur@replaced-ip )
130 [00:55:51] *** Joins: nse (~leo@replaced-ip )
131 [00:55:58] *** Quits: mohammad-ghasemi (~mohammad@replaced-ip ) (Client Quit)
132 [00:56:39] *** Joins: debuser34509438 (4d1c4548@replaced-ip )
133 [00:57:55] *** Quits: mel00010 (~mel00010@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
134 [00:58:37] <debuser34509438> Hello guys. I am using Debian for the first time. I booted from a live USB, and want to try the distro first. I wanted to install Google Chrome, downloaded the .deb, but unfortunately, there are no package managers present. There is no apt, synaptic, aptitde, etc. How can i fix this?
135 [00:58:38] *** Quits: hodorsec (~hodorsec@replaced-ip ) (Quit: Leaving)
136 [00:59:18] *** Joins: tortal (tortal@replaced-ip )
137 [00:59:18] <cafuego> debuser34509438: Thay are present, but 'apt' isn't actually a command you can run.
138 [00:59:30] <cafuego> debuser34509438: Use `dpkg -i foobar.deb` to install a local package.
139 [00:59:46] <missmbob> uh. of course apt is a command you can run
140 [00:59:52] <cafuego> debuser34509438: If that fails ebcasue of a missing dependency, run `apt-get -f install`
141 [01:00:09] *** Joins: sorin-mihai (equinox@replaced-ip )
142 [01:00:38] <cafuego> missmbob: Ha! Goes to show how often I try that ;-)
143 [01:00:48] <debuser34509438> cafuego: dpkg: command not found
144 [01:01:11] <cafuego> debuser34509438: Not present as /usr/bin/dpkg ?
145 [01:01:36] *** Quits: monpocchi (~monpocchi@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)
146 [01:01:46] *** Quits: B[]rG (~tuptidup@replaced-ip ) (Remote host closed the connection)
147 [01:01:51] *** Joins: Lowl3v3l (~lowl3v3l@replaced-ip )
148 [01:02:01] *** Joins: WoodLeg (~WoodLeg@replaced-ip )
149 [01:02:13] *** Joins: cdown (~cdown@replaced-ip )
150 [01:02:17] *** Quits: vonsyd0w (~vonsyd0w@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
151 [01:02:22] <debuser34509438> Nope
152 [01:02:43] <debuser34509438> I will try with apt-get -f install
153 [01:02:53] *** Quits: i_am_the_1 (~i_am_the_@replaced-ip ) (Quit: Leaving)
154 [01:02:55] <cafuego> debuser34509438: That won't work on a local file
155 [01:03:14] <debuser34509438> unfortunately apt-get is not present too
156 [01:03:37] <cafuego> which live usb archive did you download?
157 [01:03:39] <missmbob> you have to be root for all
158 [01:04:01] <cafuego> missmbob: True, but even if not root, usr/bin should be in $PATH
159 [01:04:05] <debuser34509438> I've downloaded the xfce debian, i guess the latest version
160 [01:04:54] *** Quits: Starky (~Starky@replaced-ip ) (Quit: WeeChat 1.7.1)
161 [01:05:04] *** Quits: Gaxpaxxo (~Gazpacho@replaced-ip ) (Quit: Leaving)
162 [01:06:01] <debuser34509438> So, will there be a way for me to install Chrome? :)
163 [01:06:18] *** Quits: Brigo (~Brigo@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
164 [01:06:36] <debuser34509438> Can't see a software-center or something similar
165 [01:07:22] <missmbob> i told you. become root
166 [01:07:26] <debuser34509438> i did.
167 [01:07:38] <debuser34509438> everything was written in root
168 [01:08:13] <missmbob> then you're not using debian
169 [01:08:26] <debuser34509438> -.-
170 [01:08:26] *** Joins: pencilandpaper (~penciland@replaced-ip )
171 [01:08:35] *** Quits: juantelez (~juantelez@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
172 [01:09:55] *** Quits: glick (~deb@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
173 [01:10:15] *** Joins: glick (~deb@replaced-ip )
174 [01:10:33] <debuser34509438> replaced-url
175 [01:10:36] <debuser34509438> Here you are
176 [01:11:05] *** Joins: humbot (~i@replaced-ip )
177 [01:11:44] *** Quits: dohfish (~oemillak@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
178 [01:13:08] *** Joins: NoRm4nD_ (~NoRm4nD@replaced-ip )
179 [01:13:56] <cafuego> debuser34509438: echo $PATH
180 [01:15:15] *** Quits: NoRm4nD (~NoRm4nD@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
181 [01:16:11] <tymczenko> I have a question. Why do I never receive notifications about available updates? I'm using Jessie 8.8, gnome. There should be some notifications. When I open GUI updater there are no available packages until I go to terminal and execute "apt-get update". Any suggestions?
182 [01:16:30] <cafuego> debuser34509438: And also, cat /etc/debian_version
183 [01:16:45] *** Joins: mel00010 (~mel00010@replaced-ip )
184 [01:17:07] <missmbob> tymczenko: i dont doubt it. 8.8 is just a few days old. stable doesnt get a lot of updates. it's stable
185 [01:17:34] *** Joins: debuser34509438_ (4d1c4548@replaced-ip )
186 [01:17:44] *** Quits: debuser34509438 (4d1c4548@replaced-ip##) (Quit: ##replaced-url
187 [01:17:59] *** Quits: Introoter (uid189461@replaced-ip ) (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity)
188 [01:18:02] <debuser34509438_> had to change the web client, kiwi irc is very buggy
189 [01:18:05] *** Joins: Achylles (~Achylles@replaced-ip )
190 [01:18:50] *** Quits: tobiw (~tobiw@replaced-ip ) (Quit: WeeChat 1.0.1)
191 [01:18:50] <tymczenko> missmbob, but again, when I execute 'apt-get update' my GUI updater shows me some packages available to update. But still I have no notifications. It's very strange
192 [01:19:01] <cafuego> tymczenko: unless you have some periodic task fetching updates, there won't be any
193 [01:19:11] <debuser34509438_> this is what i get when i execute the PATH command /usr/local/sbin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/root/bin
194 [01:19:18] <cafuego> tymczenko: If there's a cron task, check syslog to see if it in fact runs
195 [01:19:20] <missmbob> tymczenko: make a cronjob
196 [01:19:26] *** Joins: tty0_ (~NA@replaced-ip )
197 [01:19:42] <cafuego> tymczenko: There's `cron-apt` to do that for you, afaik.
198 [01:19:59] *** Quits: LambdaCalculus37 (~robert@replaced-ip ) (Quit: Outta here!)
199 [01:21:06] <tymczenko> cafuego, missmbob , okay, I'll use some cron. But I've read today in 'debian-handbook' that if I have Gnome I should receive desktop notifications and don't need to bother about cron... that's why I'm here and asking you guys. If you suggest me to use cron, I'll do it. I just wanted to be sure that this is the right way :)
200 [01:21:32] *** Quits: nighty-- (~nighty@replaced-ip ) (Quit: Disappears in a puff of smoke)
201 [01:21:42] <debuser34509438_> Anyone willing to help me use a package manager?
202 [01:21:48] <cafuego> tymczenko: I don't use Gnome on Debian (or any gui) so I can't really comment on whether that should work or not.
203 [01:22:02] <debuser34509438_> apt, dpkg, aptitude, none of them are present, i don't know why
204 [01:22:14] <glick> d
205 [01:22:14] <cafuego> debuser34509438_: `cat /etc/debian_version`
206 [01:22:17] *** Joins: tobiw (~tobiw@replaced-ip )
207 [01:22:17] *** Quits: eehackr (eehackr@replaced-ip ) (Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…)
208 [01:22:32] <tymczenko> cafuego, do you use it as desktop system or as a server? I'm just curious
209 [01:23:01] <cafuego> tymczenko: as a server (and VMs, and docker images, however inadvisably)
210 [01:23:11] *** Quits: sidmo_ (~sidmo@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
211 [01:23:18] *** Quits: cliluw (~cliluw@replaced-ip ) (Quit: Leaving)
212 [01:24:20] <debuser34509438_> cafuego: replaced-url
213 [01:24:38] *** Quits: AvatarA (~avatara@replaced-ip ) (Quit: Leaving)
214 [01:24:45] <cafuego> debuser34509438_: You're not using debian.
215 [01:24:47] <missmbob> right. not debian
216 [01:24:48] *** Quits: lethu__ (~lethu@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
217 [01:24:52] <vook> what makes you think you are using debian debuser34509438_ ?
218 [01:25:21] *** Joins: MarioBranco (~MarioBran@replaced-ip )
219 [01:25:22] *** Quits: MarioBranco (~MarioBran@replaced-ip ) (Max SendQ exceeded)
220 [01:25:23] *** Quits: x4n4 (~x4n4@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
221 [01:25:38] <debuser34509438_> -.- ...
222 [01:26:06] *** Parts: debuser34509438_ (4d1c4548@replaced-ip )
223 [01:26:17] <cafuego> Srsly.
224 [01:26:40] <jerware> well his name is debuser
225 [01:26:55] *** Joins: debuser34509438_ (4d1c4548@replaced-ip )
226 [01:26:56] *** Quits: buhletxr (~buhletxr@replaced-ip ) (Quit: Leaving)
227 [01:27:03] *** Quits: INIM (~pi@replaced-ip ) (Remote host closed the connection)
228 [01:27:10] <cafuego> i can set my name to windowsuser
229 [01:27:11] *** Joins: INIM (~pi@replaced-ip )
230 [01:27:13] *** Quits: cdown (~cdown@replaced-ip ) (Remote host closed the connection)
231 [01:27:32] *** Quits: savantgarde (~savantgar@replaced-ip ) (Remote host closed the connection)
232 [01:27:32] *** Joins: cdown (~cdown@replaced-ip )
233 [01:27:51] *** Joins: savantgarde (~savantgar@replaced-ip )
234 [01:28:04] <vook> I think fedora live sets the hostname to localhost-live
235 [01:28:10] <debuser34509438_> I want to make an excuse to all of you guys. I am using Fedora, and apparantly i have joined #debian, instead of #fedora. Sorry for wasting your time :$.
236 [01:28:20] *** Quits: savantgarde (~savantgar@replaced-ip ) (Remote host closed the connection)
237 [01:28:21] <tymczenko> cafuego, just for a minute I imagined you as my new super-hero who using Lynx, Vim and other old-school stuff and never opens GUI :)) okay, thanks for your help, I'll learn something about Cron now and will try to handle my updates properly
238 [01:28:48] <cafuego> tymczenko: That's what I *do* use :-)
239 [01:29:04] <tymczenko> cafuego, Lynx, srsly?
240 [01:29:07] <cafuego> Well, not so much lynx, but wget and curl.
241 [01:29:10] <vook> yeah, tell them in #fedora that apt, dpkg, etc. aren't installed ;)
242 [01:29:15] *** Quits: ledeni (~ledeni@replaced-ip ) (Quit: Leaving)
243 [01:29:20] *** Joins: eehackr (eehackr@replaced-ip )
244 [01:29:36] <cafuego> tymczenko: actual browsing I do on the laptop (don't tell anyone, it runs osx)
245 [01:29:41] <tymczenko> cafuego, that is more oldschool than I could have imagined))
246 [01:29:53] *** Quits: jfsCommit (kdevtmpfs@replaced-ip ) (Remote host closed the connection)
247 [01:29:58] <cafuego> tymczenko: Started in 1994, never learned any new tricks
248 [01:30:06] <tymczenko> cafuego, haha
249 [01:30:22] *** Joins: sidmo_ (~sidmo@replaced-ip )
250 [01:31:03] *** Joins: QwertyDragon (~QwertyDra@replaced-ip )
251 [01:31:23] *** Quits: overlord_tm (~andraz@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
252 [01:31:53] *** Quits: forgotmynick (uid24625@replaced-ip ) (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity)
253 [01:32:01] *** debhelper sets mode: +l 1694
254 [01:32:12] *** Joins: savantgarde (~savantgar@replaced-ip )
255 [01:32:30] *** Quits: savantgarde (~savantgar@replaced-ip ) (Remote host closed the connection)
256 [01:32:40] *** Quits: deznuts (uid92154@replaced-ip ) (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity)
257 [01:32:43] *** Parts: debuser34509438_ (4d1c4548@replaced-ip )
258 [01:34:32] *** Quits: Lowl3v3l (~lowl3v3l@replaced-ip ) (Quit: Leaving.)
259 [01:34:44] *** Joins: LambdaCalculus37 (~robert@replaced-ip )
260 [01:35:26] *** Joins: or4n (or4n@replaced-ip )
261 [01:36:02] *** Joins: juantelez (~juantelez@replaced-ip )
262 [01:36:54] *** Joins: Dreaman (~deb@replaced-ip )
263 [01:37:41] *** Joins: ledeni (~ledeni@replaced-ip )
264 [01:38:01] *** Quits: alxy (uid115853@replaced-ip ) (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity)
265 [01:38:14] *** Joins: lethu__ (~lethu@replaced-ip )
266 [01:39:52] *** Quits: Rubin (rubin@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
267 [01:39:55] <glick> hi amdgoon
268 [01:40:00] <ForceRecon> is icedove still considered better than thunderbird
269 [01:40:11] *** Joins: cliluw (~cliluw@replaced-ip )
270 [01:40:56] <bazhang> ,v icedove
271 [01:40:57] <judd> Package: icedove on amd64 -- wheezy: 38.7.0-1~deb7u1; jessie-security: 1:45.6.0-1~deb8u1; wheezy-security: 1:45.6.0-2~deb7u1; wheezy-security: 1:45.8.0-3~deb7u1; jessie-security: 1:45.8.0-3~deb8u1; jessie: 1:45.8.0-3~deb8u1; sid: 1:45.8.0-3; stretch: 1:45.8.0-3
272 [01:40:58] *** Quits: frostschutz (~frostschu@replaced-ip ) (Remote host closed the connection)
273 [01:41:00] *** Joins: sbasso (~sbasso@replaced-ip )
274 [01:41:10] <bazhang> ForceRecon, what do you mean still
275 [01:41:32] *** Quits: navlys (~smuxi@replaced-ip ) (Remote host closed the connection)
276 [01:41:48] <ForceRecon> just curious because it is not included in debian
277 [01:41:52] <missmbob> they're identical. just rebranded
278 [01:41:55] <ForceRecon> at least not under internet
279 [01:42:06] *** Quits: Al3xG0 (~65dsaf5@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
280 [01:42:11] <bazhang> same thing, different name
281 [01:42:24] *** Joins: Al3xG0 (~65dsaf5@replaced-ip )
282 [01:42:25] *** Quits: Al3xG0 (~65dsaf5@replaced-ip ) (Changing host)
283 [01:42:25] *** Joins: Al3xG0 (~65dsaf5@replaced-ip )
284 [01:42:32] <ForceRecon> okeedo
285 [01:42:55] *** Joins: SpaceAce (~SpaceAce@replaced-ip )
286 [01:43:15] *** Quits: Beretta021 (~Beretta02@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
287 [01:43:17] <ForceRecon> Icedove was the Debian project's rebranded version of the Mozilla Thunderbird e-mail client. In February 2017, Thunderbird packages were reintroduced into the Debian repositories,[9] and on April 20, 2017, the Icedove package in Debian Stable was de-branded back to Thunderbird.
288 [01:43:23] <ForceRecon> interesting
289 [01:43:27] <glick> hi can someone please send me a private message?
290 [01:43:31] *** Quits: mel00010 (~mel00010@replaced-ip ) (Read error: Connection timed out)
291 [01:43:36] <glick> i want to see what that looks like on irssi
292 [01:43:37] *** Quits: pencilandpaper (~penciland@replaced-ip ) (Quit: WeeChat 1.7)
293 [01:43:48] <missmbob> glick: /msg dpkg
294 [01:43:55] *** Quits: WoodLeg (~WoodLeg@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
295 [01:44:09] *** Joins: n_blownapart (~john@replaced-ip )
296 [01:44:12] *** Quits: or4n (or4n@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
297 [01:44:40] <glick> missmbob: i want to see what it looks like if i recieve a PM
298 [01:44:58] <ForceRecon> i sent one..
299 [01:45:03] <missmbob> glick: yeah. say anything to dpkg and it'll reply
300 [01:45:17] <glick> hmm thanks missmbob ForceRecon
301 [01:45:25] *** Quits: juantelez (~juantelez@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
302 [01:45:26] *** Quits: sbasso (~sbasso@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
303 [01:45:35] *** Quits: tvm (~tvm@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
304 [01:45:39] *** Joins: or4n (or4n@replaced-ip )
305 [01:45:41] <n_blownapart> hi I cannot seem to install emacs on a 32bit debian jessie 8 machine. It seems like I do have it installed. I was removing some files (virtual emacsen? ones) so probably screwed up. here is the sources.list file to potentially save time. thank you replaced-url
306 [01:45:55] *** Quits: dreamon_ (~dreamon@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
307 [01:45:57] *** Quits: sputnik (kli0rf@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
308 [01:46:42] *** Joins: sputnik (kli0rf@replaced-ip )
309 [01:46:42] *** Quits: sputnik (kli0rf@replaced-ip ) (Changing host)
310 [01:46:42] *** Joins: sputnik (kli0rf@replaced-ip )
311 [01:47:59] *** Quits: peterbecich (~peterbeci@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)
312 [01:48:05] *** Joins: dreamon_ (~dreamon@replaced-ip )
313 [01:48:08] *** Joins: savantgarde (~savantgar@replaced-ip )
314 [01:48:15] <phogg> n_blownapart: you can maybe run apt-get with --reinstall to repair if you deleted some files that need to exist.
315 [01:48:16] *** Joins: s0n1cB00m (~s0nic@replaced-ip )
316 [01:49:04] <n_blownapart> excellent phogg thanks I'll try it
317 [01:50:01] *** Quits: roshanavand (~mos@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
318 [01:51:24] <n_blownapart> phogg please look at this ... :
319 [01:51:45] *** Joins: nine_milli (~nine_mill@replaced-ip )
320 [01:52:11] <n_blownapart> replaced-url
321 [01:53:38] *** Joins: Rubin (~rubin@replaced-ip )
322 [01:54:01] *** Quits: savantgarde (~savantgar@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)
323 [01:55:50] *** Joins: x409 (~x409@replaced-ip )
324 [01:55:52] *** Joins: x4n4 (~x4n4@replaced-ip )
325 [01:56:08] *** Joins: vonsyd0w (~vonsyd0w@replaced-ip )
326 [01:56:58] <n_blownapart> hi I cannot seem to install emacs on a 32bit debian jessie 8 machine. It seems like I do have it installed. I was removing some files (virtual emacsen? ones) so probably screwed up. here is the sources.list file to potentially save time. thank you replaced-url
327 [01:57:12] *** Joins: jfsCommit (kdevtmpfs@replaced-ip )
328 [01:57:16] <n_blownapart> sorry ignore that ^^
329 [01:58:44] *** Quits: hagridaaron (~hagridaar@replaced-ip ) (Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…)
330 [01:59:40] *** Joins: mel00010 (~mel00010@replaced-ip )
331 [02:01:07] *** Quits: de-facto (~de-facto@replaced-ip ) (Quit: See you around.)
332 [02:01:18] *** Joins: de-facto (~de-facto@replaced-ip )
333 [02:02:17] *** Joins: star (~star@replaced-ip )
334 [02:02:18] *** Quits: stefanc_diff (~stefanc_d@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
335 [02:02:55] *** Quits: x4n4 (~x4n4@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)
336 [02:04:24] *** Quits: erabti___ (~erabti@replaced-ip ) (Remote host closed the connection)
337 [02:04:48] *** Quits: melvin (~melvin@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
338 [02:05:03] *** Joins: erabti___ (~erabti@replaced-ip )
339 [02:06:04] *** Quits: mel00010 (~mel00010@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)
340 [02:06:18] *** Joins: KingsQuest (~suspt@replaced-ip )
341 [02:06:18] *** Quits: KingsQuest (~suspt@replaced-ip ) (Changing host)
342 [02:06:18] *** Joins: KingsQuest (~suspt@replaced-ip )
343 [02:06:21] *** Quits: abu0 (~abu0@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)
344 [02:07:28] *** Quits: Mazhive (~Mazhive@replaced-ip ) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
345 [02:07:50] *** Quits: KingsQuest (~suspt@replaced-ip ) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
346 [02:08:37] *** Quits: erabti___ (~erabti@replaced-ip ) (Remote host closed the connection)
347 [02:09:05] *** Quits: star (~star@replaced-ip ) (Quit: star)
348 [02:09:08] *** Joins: mel00010 (~mel00010@replaced-ip )
349 [02:09:16] *** Joins: erabti___ (~erabti@replaced-ip )
350 [02:09:26] *** Joins: star (~star@replaced-ip )
351 [02:09:56] *** Joins: stefanc_diff (~stefanc_d@replaced-ip )
352 [02:10:40] *** Joins: econdudeawesome (~ogre@replaced-ip )
353 [02:11:14] <econdudeawesome> howdy all. Somewhat newb question. What is the correct way to write an ISO to USB? I've done dd in the past but seem to always get errors when I do that
354 [02:11:36] <econdudeawesome> for the record, trying to make a LiveUSB
355 [02:12:25] *** Quits: cdown (~cdown@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
356 [02:12:26] *** Joins: juantelez (~juantelez@replaced-ip )
357 [02:13:11] <epsilon> which iso? if debian-installer or debian-live, dd is fine
358 [02:13:14] *** Quits: mallxs (~chatzilla@replaced-ip ) (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.93 [Firefox 45.5.0/20161115214506])
359 [02:13:17] *** Quits: Xanthor (~Xanthor@replaced-ip ) (Remote host closed the connection)
360 [02:13:41] <econdudeawesome> Okay. If I want to expand beyond debian-installer or debian-live, what should I do?
361 [02:13:41] <at0m|c> econdudeawesome: live iso doesnt support EFI boot. maybe install to a usb stick instead of writing the live iso to stick
362 [02:13:46] *** Quits: kw21 (~kw21@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
363 [02:13:50] <at0m|c> replaced-url
364 [02:14:52] *** Joins: yourname_ (~yourname@replaced-ip )
365 [02:14:52] *** Quits: yourname_ (~yourname@replaced-ip ) (Client Quit)
366 [02:15:27] *** Quits: eehackr (eehackr@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
367 [02:15:36] *** Joins: yourname_ (~yourname@replaced-ip )
368 [02:16:15] <glick> i /msg dpkg hi
369 [02:16:32] *** Quits: star (~star@replaced-ip ) (Quit: star)
370 [02:16:53] *** Quits: kirkland (~kirkland@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
371 [02:17:10] *** Joins: masber (~masber@replaced-ip )
372 [02:17:54] *** Joins: star (~star@replaced-ip )
373 [02:18:39] *** Joins: robert45 (~robert45@replaced-ip )
374 [02:18:55] *** Quits: Tom01 (~tom@replaced-ip ) (Remote host closed the connection)
375 [02:20:13] *** Quits: juboxi (~juboxi@replaced-ip ) (Quit: Konversation terminated!)
376 [02:20:33] <robert45> hi guys, does anyone know anything about strace? This is the output Im seeing but I dont understand what is it doing replaced-url
377 [02:20:42] *** Quits: vvor (~vvor@replaced-ip ) (Quit: leaving)
378 [02:20:48] *** Quits: Butt3rfly (~Butt3rfly@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
379 [02:21:09] *** Quits: Sir_Designer (~Sir_Desig@replaced-ip##) (Quit: 15 minutes with you / oh, I wouldn't say no... I wear black on the outside because black is how I feel on the inside... Uso negro por fuera porque negro me siento por dentro... ##replaced-url
380 [02:21:10] *** Quits: Dreaman (~deb@replaced-ip ) (Quit: Leaving)
381 [02:22:01] *** debhelper sets mode: +l 1685
382 [02:22:54] <econdudeawesome> Shoot. If I accidentally deleted a partition, is there a way to recover the data?
383 [02:23:14] <econdudeawesome> Important lesson--sdb is not sda...
384 [02:23:28] <bazhang> restore from backups
385 [02:24:29] <nine_milli> bazhang: please be topical
386 [02:24:30] *** Joins: Dreaman (~deb@replaced-ip )
387 [02:25:00] <bazhang> nine_milli, restoring from backups is very topical here
388 [02:25:45] <missmbob> good advice for that issue, too
389 [02:25:55] *** Quits: colcha (~colcha@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
390 [02:26:05] *** Joins: dirtyroshi (~dirtyrosh@replaced-ip )
391 [02:26:13] *** Quits: masber (~masber@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
392 [02:26:24] <econdudeawesome> unfortunately too late I think though, current backup a bit dated
393 [02:26:33] <star> parted has some ability to recover deleted partitions, if you know roughtly where it began and ended...
394 [02:26:35] *** Quits: fstd (~fstd@replaced-ip ) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
395 [02:26:35] <abrotman> did you format it, or just delete it ?
396 [02:26:40] *** Joins: masber (~masber@replaced-ip )
397 [02:26:40] *** Joins: fstd_ (~fstd@replaced-ip )
398 [02:26:56] <star> check their docs, I've only ever tried it once, sucessfully, so I don't claim expert-status
399 [02:26:58] *** fstd_ is now known as fstd
400 [02:27:00] <econdudeawesome> I thought the operation canceled >_<
401 [02:27:09] <abrotman> which ?
402 [02:27:13] *** Joins: Jacob843 (~Jacob843@replaced-ip )
403 [02:27:13] <econdudeawesome> Format
404 [02:27:15] *** Joins: KidBeta (~textual@replaced-ip )
405 [02:28:11] <econdudeawesome> I intended to format my backup external hard disk to copy over the data in anticipation of reformatting the disk. Ooops :(
406 [02:28:17] *** Quits: nikoma (~nikoma@replaced-ip ) (Remote host closed the connection)
407 [02:28:33] *** Quits: juantelez (~juantelez@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)
408 [02:29:00] <econdudeawesome> I have multiple partitions set up on the hard drive and wiped the personal media partition (music/home videos). Most of it is backed up, but if I can get at it via restore that would be really awesome
409 [02:29:03] *** Quits: star (~star@replaced-ip ) (Quit: star)
410 [02:29:06] *** Joins: kion (~kion@replaced-ip )
411 [02:29:26] *** Quits: humbot (~i@replaced-ip ) (Quit: WeeChat 1.6)
412 [02:29:30] *** Joins: star (~star@replaced-ip )
413 [02:31:40] *** Joins: Sir_Designer (~Sir_Desig@replaced-ip )
414 [02:32:08] *** Quits: crayxmp (~crayxmp@replaced-ip ) (Quit: Leaving)
415 [02:32:10] *** Joins: anhedonist_ (~anhedonis@replaced-ip )
416 [02:32:20] <econdudeawesome> star I'll check it out
417 [02:35:18] *** Quits: SalanderLives (~SalanderL@replaced-ip ) (Quit: Leaving)
418 [02:35:29] *** Joins: sidetracking (~quassel@replaced-ip )
419 [02:36:10] *** Quits: Plouescat (~Plouescat@replaced-ip ) (Quit: Leaving)
420 [02:36:29] *** Joins: Plouescat (~Plouescat@replaced-ip )
421 [02:36:51] *** Quits: cerebro_ (~cerebro@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
422 [02:37:22] *** Quits: cthuluh (~jca@replaced-ip ) (Quit: leaving)
423 [02:37:57] *** Quits: dreamon_ (~dreamon@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
424 [02:38:05] *** Joins: bariscant (~bariscant@replaced-ip )
425 [02:38:13] *** Joins: dvs (~hibbard@replaced-ip )
426 [02:39:38] *** Joins: x4n4 (~x4n4@replaced-ip )
427 [02:39:59] *** Quits: phinxy (~tehhhd@replaced-ip ) (Quit: Leaving)
428 [02:40:10] *** Joins: nighty-- (~nighty@replaced-ip )
429 [02:40:47] *** Joins: Epx998- (~Epx998@replaced-ip )
430 [02:41:20] *** Joins: cerebro (~cerebro@replaced-ip )
431 [02:42:14] *** Quits: ToBeCloud (uid51591@replaced-ip ) (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity)
432 [02:42:58] *** Joins: jemadux (~jemadux@replaced-ip )
433 [02:43:13] *** Quits: jemadux (~jemadux@replaced-ip ) (Remote host closed the connection)
434 [02:43:27] *** Joins: robouk (~manjaro-k@replaced-ip )
435 [02:44:07] *** Joins: biffbaxter (~biffbaxte@replaced-ip )
436 [02:44:11] *** Quits: Epx998 (~Epx998@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
437 [02:48:03] <econdudeawesome> ddrescue to the rescue
438 [02:49:18] *** Joins: ryouma (~user@replaced-ip )
439 [02:49:39] *** Parts: tfgbd_znc (~someone2@replaced-ip )
440 [02:49:51] *** Quits: remo (~user@replaced-ip ) (Remote host closed the connection)
441 [02:50:16] *** Quits: Levure (~quassel@replaced-ip ) (Remote host closed the connection)
442 [02:51:47] *** Quits: js9600 (~jsdk@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)
443 [02:51:51] *** Quits: bariscant (~bariscant@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
444 [02:52:33] *** Joins: remo (~user@replaced-ip )
445 [02:55:07] *** Joins: juantelez (~juantelez@replaced-ip )
446 [02:56:28] *** Quits: lethu__ (~lethu@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
447 [02:56:43] *** Joins: reagentz (~jcd@replaced-ip )
448 [02:56:47] *** Joins: cereal_poster (~Cereal@replaced-ip )
449 [02:58:07] *** Quits: tymczenko (~tymczenko@replaced-ip ) (Remote host closed the connection)
450 [02:58:29] *** Joins: eehackr (~eehackr@replaced-ip )
451 [03:01:27] *** Quits: poeticrpm (~poeticrpm@replaced-ip ) (Quit: Leaving)
452 [03:05:37] *** Quits: star (~star@replaced-ip ) (Quit: star)
453 [03:05:49] <glick> i /msg dpkg hi
454 [03:05:50] *** Joins: chenchacha (~chenchach@replaced-ip )
455 [03:06:01] <abrotman> glick: okay, and?
456 [03:06:33] *** Joins: safe (~safe@replaced-ip )
457 [03:06:52] *** Quits: N3X15 (~Rob@replaced-ip ) (Quit: Leaving)
458 [03:06:53] *** Quits: AlexPortable (uid7568@replaced-ip ) (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity)
459 [03:07:00] *** Quits: j08nY (~j08nY@replaced-ip ) (Quit: Leaving)
460 [03:11:41] *** Quits: chomwitt (~chomwitt@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
461 [03:11:41] *** Joins: Mazhive (~Mazhive@replaced-ip )
462 [03:11:44] *** Joins: thedogcatcher (~thedogcat@replaced-ip )
463 [03:12:06] *** Quits: chenchacha (~chenchach@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
464 [03:13:21] *** Joins: chenchacha (~chenchach@replaced-ip )
465 [03:13:28] *** Parts: medicalwei (~medicalwe@replaced-ip )
466 [03:13:57] *** Quits: cereal_poster (~Cereal@replaced-ip ) (Quit: Fui!)
467 [03:14:10] *** Quits: n_blownapart (~john@replaced-ip ) (Quit: Leaving)
468 [03:14:22] *** Quits: Mazhive (~Mazhive@replaced-ip ) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
469 [03:14:23] *** Joins: pingfloyd (~pingfloyd@replaced-ip )
470 [03:14:23] *** Joins: Mazhive_one (~Mazhive@replaced-ip )
471 [03:17:00] *** Joins: KingsQuest (~suspt@replaced-ip )
472 [03:17:00] *** Quits: KingsQuest (~suspt@replaced-ip ) (Changing host)
473 [03:17:00] *** Joins: KingsQuest (~suspt@replaced-ip )
474 [03:17:05] *** Quits: Mahe (~mahe@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
475 [03:17:55] *** Quits: erabti___ (~erabti@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
476 [03:18:12] *** Joins: n_blownapart (~john@replaced-ip )
477 [03:18:29] *** Quits: x409 (~x409@replaced-ip ) (Quit: Leaving)
478 [03:18:35] *** Joins: erabti___ (~erabti@replaced-ip )
479 [03:19:07] *** Quits: juantelez (~juantelez@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)
480 [03:19:42] *** Joins: Mahe (~mahe@replaced-ip )
481 [03:19:44] *** Quits: shinnya (~shinnya@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)
482 [03:20:05] *** Quits: KingsQuest (~suspt@replaced-ip ) (Client Quit)
483 [03:20:07] *** Quits: internot (~node1@replaced-ip ) (Quit: Leaving)
484 [03:20:13] *** Joins: lethu__ (~lethu@replaced-ip )
485 [03:20:13] *** Joins: Masterphi (~Masterphi@replaced-ip )
486 [03:21:48] *** Quits: biffbaxter (~biffbaxte@replaced-ip ) (Remote host closed the connection)
487 [03:21:51] *** Quits: fallentr1e (~fallentre@replaced-ip ) (Quit: leaving)
488 [03:21:59] *** Joins: cheako (~cheako@replaced-ip )
489 [03:22:01] *** Joins: internot (~node1@replaced-ip )
490 [03:22:01] <n_blownapart> hello on a debian jessie 32bit, how do I absolutely remove everyting pertaining to emacs everywhere ?
491 [03:22:21] <n_blownapart> apt-get remove emacs does not seem to be working
492 [03:22:24] <glick> why in the world would anyone wanna do that
493 [03:22:25] *** Quits: Violinist (~Violinist@replaced-ip ) (Quit: Leaving)
494 [03:22:42] <n_blownapart> please humor me
495 [03:22:49] *** Quits: wilson (~wilson@replaced-ip ) (Quit: wilson)
496 [03:23:45] <abrotman> what is left?
497 [03:23:58] *** Quits: erabti___ (~erabti@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
498 [03:24:04] *** Quits: Epx998- (~Epx998@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
499 [03:24:07] *** Joins: rockstar[x] (~rockstar@replaced-ip )
500 [03:24:30] *** Quits: blackest_mamba (~blackest_@replaced-ip ) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
501 [03:24:49] <n_blownapart> abrotman, I cannot apt-get remove emacs and then install a fresh package. It seems to still be installed.
502 [03:25:43] <n_blownapart> it doesn't prompt me for "y" and it seems to "install" way too fast. or give messages such as "already latest version"
503 [03:26:08] <abrotman> n_blownapart: then that's the question you shuld ask .. what are you actually trying to do?
504 [03:26:21] *** Joins: blackest_mamba (~blackest_@replaced-ip )
505 [03:26:41] <n_blownapart> It won't launch, it won't remove so that I can install fresh. It's a ghost
506 [03:27:08] <abrotman> when you run it from the console, what's the error?
507 [03:27:10] *** Joins: biffbaxter (~biffbaxte@replaced-ip )
508 [03:27:43] *** Joins: TinkerTiger (~will@replaced-ip )
509 [03:27:49] <pingfloyd> n_blownapart: you should be able to just apt-get remove or apt-get purge the emacs packages you want to get rid of, providing nothing else is installed that depends on them.
510 [03:27:49] <n_blownapart> command not found. I have an alias in .bashrc, "em" and that yields nothing
511 [03:28:14] <n_blownapart> oh yeah I forgot about purge pingfloyd
512 [03:28:46] <pingfloyd> purge or remove depends if you want to keep around their configuration
513 [03:28:47] <abrotman> n_blownapart: you could "aptitude reinstall emacs" ?
514 [03:28:54] *** Joins: KingsQuest- (~suspt@replaced-ip )
515 [03:29:47] *** Joins: machinehum (uid229117@replaced-ip )
516 [03:29:54] <n_blownapart> purge is fine. but purge returns: "emacs is not installed, so not removed"
517 [03:29:55] *** Joins: sidmo (~sidmo@replaced-ip )
518 [03:30:03] <pingfloyd> n_blownapart: are you trying to get rid of emacs, or actually reinstall with the default config?
519 [03:30:31] *** Joins: kirkland (~kirkland@replaced-ip )
520 [03:30:40] <pingfloyd> n_blownapart: if you've already remove it, you can't use apt-get purge to remove the config files, but there is a way to remove the residual config (a few ways).
521 [03:30:46] <n_blownapart> reinstall with the default config would be fine. I deleted .emacs.d manually
522 [03:30:52] <abrotman> jesus
523 [03:31:01] <n_blownapart> no good? hehe
524 [03:31:05] <abrotman> n_blownapart: "dpkg -l | grep emacs" what do you see?
525 [03:31:47] <n_blownapart> one moment please abrotman pingfloyd
526 [03:33:10] *** evilnewbie is now known as beaver
527 [03:33:15] <n_blownapart> replaced-url
528 [03:33:32] <n_blownapart> abrotman, pingfloyd ^
529 [03:33:51] *** Quits: sidmo_ (~sidmo@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
530 [03:35:26] *** Quits: glick (~deb@replaced-ip ) (Quit: leaving)
531 [03:35:28] <abrotman> n_blownapart: aptitude reinstall emacs24
532 [03:35:33] *** Joins: yusuf34 (~yusuf34@replaced-ip )
533 [03:35:37] *** Parts: yusuf34 (~yusuf34@replaced-ip )
534 [03:35:38] <n_blownapart> ok cool one moment
535 [03:37:40] <n_blownapart> You are SAINTS abrotman pingfloyd thanks kindly
536 [03:38:41] *** Quits: Lal (uid175029@replaced-ip ) (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity)
537 [03:40:40] *** Joins: rebelk0de (~r3b3lk0d3@replaced-ip )
538 [03:40:44] <abrotman> n_blownapart: all good?
539 [03:41:20] *** lethu__ is now known as lethu
540 [03:41:47] *** Quits: ectospasm (~ectospasm@replaced-ip ) (Quit: WeeChat 1.7.1)
541 [03:41:48] *** Quits: kever (~quassel@replaced-ip ) (Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.)
542 [03:41:51] *** Quits: rebelk0de (~r3b3lk0d3@replaced-ip ) (Client Quit)
543 [03:41:51] *** Joins: sbasso (~sbasso@replaced-ip )
544 [03:41:59] *** Quits: s0n1cB00m (~s0nic@replaced-ip ) (Quit: Till next time!)
545 [03:42:08] *** Quits: kion (~kion@replaced-ip ) (Remote host closed the connection)
546 [03:42:38] *** Quits: GG_Phyduck (~GG_Phyduc@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
547 [03:42:55] *** Joins: kever (~quassel@replaced-ip )
548 [03:44:24] *** Quits: faw (~faw@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)
549 [03:45:02] *** Quits: dethos (~dethos@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
550 [03:45:58] *** Joins: juantelez (~juantelez@replaced-ip )
551 [03:46:03] *** Joins: dirtyroshi_ (~dirtyrosh@replaced-ip )
552 [03:46:25] *** Quits: biffbaxter (~biffbaxte@replaced-ip ) (Quit: WeeChat 1.8)
553 [03:46:26] *** Quits: sbasso (~sbasso@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
554 [03:47:06] *** Quits: Achylles (~Achylles@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
555 [03:47:31] *** Quits: Relsak (~dragan@replaced-ip ) (Remote host closed the connection)
556 [03:47:52] *** Quits: Frosh (6c153adf@replaced-ip ) (Quit: Page closed)
557 [03:49:16] *** Joins: dirtyroshi__ (~dirtyrosh@replaced-ip )
558 [03:49:35] *** Quits: dirtyroshi (~dirtyrosh@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
559 [03:49:37] *** Quits: dirtyroshi__ (~dirtyrosh@replaced-ip ) (Remote host closed the connection)
560 [03:50:29] *** Joins: robert45- (~robert45@replaced-ip )
561 [03:50:57] *** Joins: Zvmdyv (nnn@replaced-ip )
562 [03:51:14] *** Quits: n_blownapart (~john@replaced-ip ) (Quit: Leaving)
563 [03:51:28] *** Quits: robouk (~manjaro-k@replaced-ip ) (Remote host closed the connection)
564 [03:51:55] *** Joins: robouk (~manjaro-k@replaced-ip )
565 [03:52:00] *** debhelper sets mode: +l 1675
566 [03:52:56] *** Joins: kpease (~kpease@replaced-ip )
567 [03:52:57] *** Quits: dirtyroshi_ (~dirtyrosh@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
568 [03:53:03] *** Joins: renzhi (~renzhi@replaced-ip )
569 [03:53:43] *** Quits: robert45 (~robert45@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
570 [03:53:58] *** Quits: cheako (~cheako@replaced-ip ) (Quit: cheako)
571 [03:53:59] *** Joins: uNmowed|2 (~Mayu@replaced-ip )
572 [03:54:44] *** Quits: kpease (~kpease@replaced-ip ) (Client Quit)
573 [03:54:45] *** Quits: Cabanossi (~Cabanossi@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
574 [03:55:30] *** Joins: ectospasm (~ectospasm@replaced-ip )
575 [03:56:27] *** Quits: rockstar[x] (~rockstar@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
576 [03:57:03] *** Joins: Cabanossi (~Cabanossi@replaced-ip )
577 [03:57:08] *** Quits: uNmowed (~Mayu@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
578 [03:57:57] *** Quits: Ricardo__ (~rick@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
579 [03:58:20] *** Quits: internat (~nf@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
580 [03:58:34] *** Quits: juantelez (~juantelez@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)
581 [03:58:47] *** Joins: dartleader_ (~dartleade@replaced-ip )
582 [03:58:56] *** Joins: lol (~holamama@replaced-ip )
583 [03:58:56] *** Quits: lol (~holamama@replaced-ip ) (Client Quit)
584 [03:59:05] *** Joins: loader (~loader@replaced-ip )
585 [03:59:29] *** Joins: iWaldo (~iWaldo@replaced-ip )
586 [04:00:35] *** Joins: GG_Phyduck (~GG_Phyduc@replaced-ip )
587 [04:02:16] *** Joins: lol (~holamama@replaced-ip )
588 [04:03:48] *** Quits: TrueDD (~truedd@replaced-ip ) (Quit: Quitte)
589 [04:04:30] *** Quits: lol (~holamama@replaced-ip ) (Client Quit)
590 [04:04:46] *** Joins: xrfu (~xrfu@replaced-ip )
591 [04:07:23] *** Joins: walkenx (~walkenx@replaced-ip )
592 [04:08:37] *** Joins: frotz47 (~matthew@replaced-ip )
593 [04:08:43] *** Quits: frotz47 (~matthew@replaced-ip ) (Client Quit)
594 [04:09:54] *** Quits: electro33 (uid613@replaced-ip ) (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity)
595 [04:10:38] *** Quits: Adbray (~Adbray@replaced-ip ) (Remote host closed the connection)
596 [04:11:11] *** Quits: pvoigt (~Linux@replaced-ip ) (Excess Flood)
597 [04:11:20] *** Joins: Adbray (~Adbray@replaced-ip )
598 [04:11:45] *** Parts: xrfu (~xrfu@replaced-ip )
599 [04:11:59] *** Quits: mhall119 (~mhall@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)
600 [04:12:41] *** Joins: pvoigt (~Linux@replaced-ip )
601 [04:14:24] *** Quits: SpeedyG (~SpeedyG@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
602 [04:14:44] *** Joins: cheako (~cheako@replaced-ip )
603 [04:16:31] *** Quits: thedogcatcher (~thedogcat@replaced-ip ) (Quit: Leaving)
604 [04:17:09] *** Quits: ArabicSoap (uid135169@replaced-ip ) (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity)
605 [04:17:09] <TinkerTiger> Well, I suppose I should go back in my logs and see why this box shut down a few days ago.
606 [04:18:17] *** Quits: genpaku (~genpaku@replaced-ip ) (Remote host closed the connection)
607 [04:19:12] *** Quits: macartur (~macartur@replaced-ip ) (Remote host closed the connection)
608 [04:20:17] *** Joins: genpaku (~genpaku@replaced-ip )
609 [04:21:32] <TinkerTiger> What's the best log to find a general error, if there was one, which cause my computer to shut down?
610 [04:21:38] *** Joins: bnw (~bnw@replaced-ip )
611 [04:21:52] <TinkerTiger> syslog?
612 [04:21:55] *** Quits: finlstrm (~finlstrm@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
613 [04:22:00] *** debhelper sets mode: +l 1669
614 [04:22:33] <TinkerTiger> Nope.
615 [04:23:26] *** Quits: mer0v (~mer0v@replaced-ip ) (Quit: Leaving)
616 [04:25:23] *** Joins: juantelez (~juantelez@replaced-ip )
617 [04:26:27] *** Quits: yourname_ (~yourname@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
618 [04:28:28] *** Joins: ShapeShifter499 (~ShapeShif@replaced-ip )
619 [04:29:14] *** Joins: cerebro_ (~cerebro@replaced-ip )
620 [04:29:28] *** Joins: foul_owl (~foul_owl@replaced-ip )
621 [04:29:55] <foul_owl> Is there any way to see how many times a package has been downloaded from the repos? Ie, am I the only person using this binary or are other people using it too?
622 [04:30:26] <ryouma> foul_owl: popularity contest is one rough estimate, but dunno whether it is accurate
623 [04:30:51] *** Quits: cerebro (~cerebro@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
624 [04:31:28] *** Quits: dvs (~hibbard@replaced-ip ) (Remote host closed the connection)
625 [04:31:51] *** Quits: eehackr (~eehackr@replaced-ip ) (Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…)
626 [04:31:56] *** Joins: elbart0_ (~elbarto@replaced-ip )
627 [04:32:17] <foul_owl> Aha!
628 [04:32:19] <foul_owl> Thank you
629 [04:32:27] <foul_owl> Just want a rough estimate here. Thanks!
630 [04:32:52] <ryouma> yw. i used it to choose various packages.
631 [04:32:55] *** Quits: elbart0_ (~elbarto@replaced-ip ) (Client Quit)
632 [04:33:21] *** Quits: mdorenka (~mdorenka@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
633 [04:33:45] *** Joins: user__ (~user@replaced-ip )
634 [04:34:10] *** user__ is now known as nerdbios
635 [04:34:43] <nerdbios> hellow
636 [04:35:10] * TinkerTiger waves.
637 [04:36:13] *** Joins: mdorenka (~mdorenka@replaced-ip )
638 [04:36:56] *** Quits: nerdbios (~user@replaced-ip ) (Client Quit)
639 [04:37:15] *** Quits: cerebro_ (~cerebro@replaced-ip ) (Read error: No route to host)
640 [04:37:33] *** Joins: cerebro (~cerebro@replaced-ip )
641 [04:37:38] *** Quits: juantelez (~juantelez@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)
642 [04:37:49] *** Quits: rtsisyk (~roman@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
643 [04:38:57] *** Joins: dvs (~hibbard@replaced-ip )
644 [04:39:06] *** Quits: cheako (~cheako@replaced-ip ) (Quit: cheako)
645 [04:40:21] *** Joins: glick (5f3d7eec@replaced-ip )
646 [04:40:23] *** Quits: Kev- (Kev-@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
647 [04:40:27] <glick> hi
648 [04:40:45] <glick> hey does anyone know if there is a way to convert .swf video files to something more gnu friendly?
649 [04:41:05] <glick> i tried various online converters but they all fail
650 [04:41:06] *** Quits: r00ter (~r00ter@replaced-ip ) (Disconnected by services)
651 [04:41:06] *** Joins: r0Oter (~r00ter@replaced-ip )
652 [04:41:10] *** r0Oter is now known as r00ter
653 [04:43:06] *** Quits: loader (~loader@replaced-ip ) (Quit: Leaving)
654 [04:43:19] *** Joins: SpeedyG (~SpeedyG@replaced-ip )
655 [04:44:46] <lendo> vlc ?
656 [04:45:12] <TinkerTiger> Hmm, no indication of what happened in messages.
657 [04:45:33] *** Quits: dartleader_ (~dartleade@replaced-ip ) (Remote host closed the connection)
658 [04:45:54] *** Joins: Kev- (~keli@replaced-ip )
659 [04:46:02] *** Quits: walkenx (~walkenx@replaced-ip ) (Quit: Lost terminal)
660 [04:46:41] *** Quits: dermoth (~thomas@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)
661 [04:47:05] <lendo> glick: replaced-url
662 [04:48:02] <TinkerTiger> As a former SWF Interactive Developer, I can not allow that! Oh, well, go ahead.
663 [04:48:17] <TinkerTiger> More dead technology.
664 [04:48:33] *** Quits: chachasmooth (~chachasmo@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
665 [04:48:46] *** Quits: kalipso (~kalipso@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
666 [04:48:51] <mutante> maybe it helps to first convert it to Silverlight. /me hides
667 [04:50:25] *** Joins: chachasmooth (~chachasmo@replaced-ip )
668 [04:50:29] *** Quits: sag3 (~O@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
669 [04:50:55] *** Joins: Bhootrk_ (~Bhootrk_@replaced-ip )
670 [04:50:56] *** Quits: Bhootrk_ (~Bhootrk_@replaced-ip ) (Max SendQ exceeded)
671 [04:52:00] *** debhelper sets mode: +l 1662
672 [04:52:23] *** Quits: amcorreia (~amcorreia@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
673 [04:52:31] *** Quits: f10_ (~flo@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
674 [04:52:36] *** Joins: kzimmermann (~username@replaced-ip )
675 [04:55:59] *** Quits: mzf (~mzf@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)
676 [04:56:20] *** sleepinbeans is now known as SugoiBeans
677 [04:58:43] *** Quits: glick (5f3d7eec@replaced-ip##) (Quit: ##replaced-url
678 [04:59:43] *** Joins: rtsisyk (~roman@replaced-ip )
679 [04:59:45] *** Joins: x032cx (~lxuser@replaced-ip )
680 [05:04:56] *** Joins: juantelez (~juantelez@replaced-ip )
681 [05:07:37] *** Joins: mhall119 (~mhall@replaced-ip )
682 [05:08:07] *** Joins: mzf (~mzf@replaced-ip )
683 [05:09:39] *** Joins: classsic__ (b5e62f10@replaced-ip )
684 [05:10:15] *** Quits: Masterphi (~Masterphi@replaced-ip ) (Quit: Bye)
685 [05:10:34] *** Quits: Cabanossi (~Cabanossi@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
686 [05:11:15] *** Joins: Cabanossi (~Cabanossi@replaced-ip )
687 [05:13:10] *** Joins: deznuts (uid92154@replaced-ip )
688 [05:17:08] *** Quits: juantelez (~juantelez@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
689 [05:18:05] *** Quits: dvs (~hibbard@replaced-ip ) (Remote host closed the connection)
690 [05:19:12] <jamesrichardson> leave
691 [05:19:15] *** Parts: jamesrichardson (james@replaced-ip )
692 [05:23:50] *** Quits: pingfloyd (~pingfloyd@replaced-ip ) (Quit: ☮ out)
693 [05:25:03] *** Joins: userro (~userro@replaced-ip )
694 [05:27:35] *** Dreaman is now known as CrackerJack
695 [05:33:42] *** Joins: sikun (~David@replaced-ip )
696 [05:34:09] *** Quits: nine_milli (~nine_mill@replaced-ip ) (Quit: nine_milli)
697 [05:35:04] *** Joins: f10_ (~flo@replaced-ip )
698 [05:37:11] *** Joins: dayten (~gnoid@replaced-ip )
699 [05:37:15] *** Quits: mhall119 (~mhall@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)
700 [05:40:45] *** Joins: juantelez (~juantelez@replaced-ip )
701 [05:47:36] *** Joins: johefernan (~joheferna@replaced-ip )
702 [05:48:51] *** Quits: CrackerJack (~deb@replaced-ip ) (Quit: Leaving)
703 [05:49:24] *** Joins: Wegg (~weggingt@replaced-ip )
704 [05:50:22] <Wegg> does anyone have any experience installing Jessie on newer hardware? Specifically NVMe drives?
705 [05:51:48] *** Quits: patterson (~patterson@replaced-ip##) (Quit: Going offline, see ya! (##replaced-url
706 [05:53:17] *** Quits: juantelez (~juantelez@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)
707 [05:53:28] *** Joins: nullbyte_ (~ghost@replaced-ip )
708 [05:54:11] *** Quits: Cabanossi (~Cabanossi@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
709 [05:55:21] *** Quits: nullbyte_ (~ghost@replaced-ip ) (Client Quit)
710 [05:55:25] <jmcnaught> Wegg: i've seen some people do it on IRC
711 [05:55:29] *** Joins: SonicFreq (~SonicFreq@replaced-ip )
712 [05:56:01] <Wegg> I have found a guide and I managed to do it last night but I got a lot of errors that made the install un-usable.
713 [05:56:01] <jmcnaught> some of them needed to upgrade to a kernel from jessie-backports while still in the installer environment (before first boot)
714 [05:56:21] *** Joins: Cabanossi (~Cabanossi@replaced-ip )
715 [05:56:22] <Wegg> Right. I need to do jessie-backports install linux-image-amd64
716 [05:56:29] <Wegg> and then get grud-efi
717 [05:56:40] <jmcnaught> sounds right
718 [05:57:27] <Wegg> It's just the resulting install keeps giving a ton of errors when you are in a terminal. So much so that I couldn't install nvidia drivers or do anything. . .
719 [05:57:58] <jmcnaught> let's start with the errors then
720 [05:58:00] <Wegg> Once I'm in an X session I guess it hides all those errors from me.
721 [05:58:12] <Wegg> Ok let me get to that point again and I'll let you know what's happening.
722 [05:58:15] *** Joins: dreamon_ (~dreamon@replaced-ip )
723 [05:58:16] <Wegg> Thank you jmcnaught
724 [05:58:16] <jmcnaught> wait
725 [05:58:36] <jmcnaught> if you're in X, we can find the errors in the logs
726 [05:59:01] *** Joins: Dr_Z2A (~DrZ@replaced-ip )
727 [05:59:11] <Wegg> Well I started over just now so . . no logs.
728 [06:00:51] *** Quits: atomi (~atomi@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
729 [06:00:55] *** Joins: nine_milli (~nine_mill@replaced-ip )
730 [06:00:58] *** Quits: SonicFreq (~SonicFreq@replaced-ip ) (Remote host closed the connection)
731 [06:01:32] *** Quits: holmgren (magnus@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
732 [06:02:25] <jmcnaught> general rule of thumb with Debian is that if you can boot into a working system, the rest you can fix in a terminal emulator window in X
733 [06:02:38] <jmcnaught> some exceptions of course
734 [06:03:27] <Wegg> exception = installing Nvidia's drivers. :-(
735 [06:03:50] <jmcnaught> not for most people
736 [06:04:17] <jmcnaught> replaced-url
737 [06:05:49] *** Joins: sbasso (~sbasso@replaced-ip )
738 [06:05:51] *** Quits: SuperSeriousCat (~SuperSeri@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
739 [06:06:29] *** Quits: theraspberry (~theraspbe@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
740 [06:06:36] <Wegg> ok so jessie with the updated kernel, after I have installed and try and launch with the updated kernel I get a wall of errors.
741 [06:07:24] *** Quits: userro (~userro@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
742 [06:07:29] *** Joins: atomi (~atomi@replaced-ip )
743 [06:07:40] <Wegg> replaced-url
744 [06:07:58] *** Joins: theraspberry (~theraspbe@replaced-ip )
745 [06:08:00] *** Joins: nullbyte_ (~ghost@replaced-ip )
746 [06:08:21] <Wegg> No sprom
747 [06:08:47] *** Joins: SuperSeriousCat (~SuperSeri@replaced-ip )
748 [06:08:47] <jmcnaught> but it eventually gets to a graphical login?
749 [06:09:05] <Wegg> nope.
750 [06:09:23] <jmcnaught> have you tried installing stretch?
751 [06:09:26] <Wegg> ok I think sprom is the wifi. I'll dissable that in the bios and start over.
752 [06:09:52] <Wegg> stretch = same thing.
753 [06:10:09] *** Quits: econdudeawesome (~ogre@replaced-ip ) (Quit: Lost terminal)
754 [06:10:25] *** Joins: SonicFreq (~SonicFreq@replaced-ip )
755 [06:10:26] <Wegg> Ubuntu and Mint both worked and I TRIED to adapt to using both but after a day on each was hating it.
756 [06:10:48] *** Quits: sbasso (~sbasso@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
757 [06:10:51] <jmcnaught> have you tried with an install image that has non-free firmwares on it?
758 [06:10:53] <nine_milli> man this chatroom is boring
759 [06:11:03] *** Joins: Strife1989 (~quassel@replaced-ip )
760 [06:11:13] <nine_milli> at least #linux has occasional trolls
761 [06:11:39] <jmcnaught> Wegg: this one for example? replaced-url
762 [06:11:45] *** Quits: nullbyte_ (~ghost@replaced-ip ) (Client Quit)
763 [06:12:18] <Wegg> Well the only reason I'm kind of stuck with using this iso is that it has crunchbang linux pre-configured. With openbox etc. It's what I have been using for YEARS. All the keyboard shortcuts etc. And they don't make crunchbang any more. . . but it's 99.99% Debian so it SHOULD work.
764 [06:12:22] *** Joins: deaninous (~Guccifera@replaced-ip )
765 [06:12:32] <Wegg> It uses the debian repositories, just configured slightly different.
766 [06:13:29] *** Quits: classsic__ (b5e62f10@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
767 [06:13:33] <jmcnaught> crunchbang is not supported here, please try with an official Debian installer image
768 [06:14:21] <jmcnaught> then you can do the 0.01% non-Debian stuff after you have a working install ☺
769 [06:14:27] *** Quits: cyborg-one (~cyborg-on@replaced-ip ) (Quit: cyborg-one)
770 [06:14:29] *** Quits: Strife89 (~quassel@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
771 [06:14:40] *** Quits: Classsic (b5e630f9@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
772 [06:14:54] <Wegg> Yea I thought of going that rout.
773 [06:15:11] *** Joins: pingfloyd (~pingfloyd@replaced-ip )
774 [06:15:27] <Wegg> Ooo I did get rid of the sprom error.
775 [06:15:29] *** Quits: SonicFreq (~SonicFreq@replaced-ip ) (Remote host closed the connection)
776 [06:15:31] <nine_milli> pingfloyd be my #linux proxy
777 [06:17:05] <jmcnaught> instead of keeping all your customizations in a custom installer for an obsolete distro, you could look at alternatives like keeping your ~/.$DOTFILES in git repos, perhaps managed with GNU stow, or make an Ansible playbook that sets all that stuff up for you (good learning exercise and Ansible is easy if you already know how to use ssh)
778 [06:17:31] <jmcnaught> (not that you'd use ssh for localhost necessarily…)
779 [06:18:58] <Wegg> I'm on my #! install right now and it ONLY has debian repositories. I took out anything else. So you are saying I can install vanilla Debian and then move over all these configurations?
780 [06:19:23] *** Quits: machinehum (uid229117@replaced-ip ) (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity)
781 [06:19:37] <jmcnaught> if you're talking about config files in /etc and your user's home directory, then yes
782 [06:20:37] <jmcnaught> if you mean some esoteric crunchbang package or unique config system that #debian knows nothing about, my advice is to look for alternatives so you're not in this position of needing to use that obsolete ISO anymore
783 [06:21:15] <Wegg> does anyone make/support an openbox/debian distribution?
784 [06:21:30] <jmcnaught> ,v openbox
785 [06:21:32] <judd> Package: openbox on amd64 -- wheezy: 3.5.0-7; wheezy-backports: 3.5.2-6~bpo70+1; jessie: 3.5.2-8+deb8u1; sid: 3.6.1-4; stretch: 3.6.1-4
786 [06:21:47] <jmcnaught> you don't need an openbox distro, just install openbox in Debian
787 [06:22:20] <Wegg> tried that. installed openbox, logged out of gnome and it wasn't even listed as an option to boot into like the guides said. Just Gnome and Gnome classic.
788 [06:23:32] <jmcnaught> one way of looking at it is Debian has this massive network of volunteers that fix bugs, close security vulnerabilities etc. Forks of Debian are usually run and maintained by a much smaller group of people. Yes they are able to absorb most of the work done by Debian, but can you be assured that they're able to keep up with it all?
789 [06:23:34] *** Quits: nine_milli (~nine_mill@replaced-ip ) (Quit: nine_milli)
790 [06:24:07] *** Quits: ZeroBeholder (~ZeroBehol@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)
791 [06:24:07] <Wegg> yea. . . that's why I'm back trying this rout
792 [06:24:42] <jmcnaught> getting openbox as an option on the login screen is in the category of stuff that you can fix if Debian boots properly
793 [06:25:12] *** Quits: riex (gaming@replaced-ip ) (Changing host)
794 [06:25:12] *** Joins: riex (gaming@replaced-ip )
795 [06:25:41] <Wegg> well I might just give that a shot. Thank you for your help jmcnaught
796 [06:25:49] <jmcnaught> no problem, good luck
797 [06:27:01] <jmcnaught> you won't regret it, there's a false impression out there that Debian is more difficult than many of its forks, but personally I find it easiest overall
798 [06:27:38] *** Joins: robotroll (~robotroll@replaced-ip )
799 [06:29:40] <Wegg> I really wish the crunchbang developers had worked more closely with the Debian developers and made it more of an official re-mix.
800 [06:30:21] <jmcnaught> replaced-url
801 [06:30:31] <TinkerTiger> Wait, what? Debian difficult? Ha!
802 [06:31:10] *** Joins: GumShoe_ (~IceChat9@replaced-ip )
803 [06:31:10] *** Quits: x032cx (~lxuser@replaced-ip ) (Quit: "You picked the wrong kite to run away with!")
804 [06:32:06] <Wegg> I think it's this nouveau. It has no idea what to do with my pair of GTX 1080s
805 [06:32:18] <GumShoe_> I'm trying to enable ipv4 on a beaglebone blue from bash not the gui. I'm sshed in over usb. I have wifi connected but only ipv6.
806 [06:32:49] <jmcnaught> GumShoe_: how is wifi configured?
807 [06:33:13] <GumShoe_> Not sure what you're asking
808 [06:33:16] *** Joins: overlord_tm (~andraz@replaced-ip )
809 [06:33:29] <GumShoe_> ifconfig show wlan0 up but only with ipv6 no ipv4
810 [06:33:41] <jmcnaught> what did you do to make wifi work?
811 [06:33:49] <GumShoe_> connmanctl
812 [06:34:33] *** Joins: Neurorebel (~madaboutj@replaced-ip )
813 [06:35:09] <Neurorebel> hi, im trying to make a custom dictionary for spelling
814 [06:35:26] <Neurorebel> and i decided to come here before ruining it
815 [06:35:44] <Neurorebel> where should I put the wordlist?
816 [06:36:12] *** Quits: diniwed (~gavron@replaced-ip ) (Quit: WeeChat 1.0.1)
817 [06:36:14] <Neurorebel> should i rename it as /usr/shatre/words?
818 [06:36:36] <Neurorebel> or only i should copy it to /usr/share/dict ?
819 [06:36:46] <jmcnaught> Neurorebel: you should not overwrite files provided by packages
820 [06:36:50] <pingfloyd> lol, before ruining it
821 [06:36:51] <Neurorebel> should i rename it as /usr/share/dict/words?
822 [06:36:53] <riex> Hello, I have an question about an .htaccess file, I want to have https enabled within this RewriteRule ^(.*)$ index.php?url=$1 [QSA,L] - Someone able to tell me?
823 [06:37:06] <Wegg> Neurorebel: I think you can add custom words/spelling to Aspell
824 [06:37:23] <Neurorebel> i also tryied some of that
825 [06:37:35] <Neurorebel> but aspell as i see it is totally dead
826 [06:37:50] <pingfloyd> what's a spellchecker without some ruined words in it?
827 [06:38:33] <Neurorebel> echo bullet|aspell list=bullet
828 [06:38:48] <Neurorebel> agree pingfloyd
829 [06:39:17] <Neurorebel> really i dont have a clear idea of how spell checking works
830 [06:39:29] <jmcnaught> Neurorebel: first I would try putting the new list in /usr/local/share/dict
831 [06:39:36] <Neurorebel> for example im now using xchat
832 [06:39:55] <jmcnaught> that's what /usr/local is for, local versions (not from packages) of files that belong in /usr
833 [06:39:57] *** Quits: Rubin (~rubin@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
834 [06:40:02] <Neurorebel> why not usr/share/dict ?
835 [06:40:03] *** Quits: Cabanossi (~Cabanossi@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
836 [06:40:21] *** Joins: maotm (~mao@replaced-ip )
837 [06:40:40] <jmcnaught> Neurorebel: /usr should only be written to by packages, not the user/system admin. /usr/local is provided for this
838 [06:41:00] <Neurorebel> then any file that I copy on usr/share/local/dict and usr/share/dict is used?
839 [06:41:14] *** Joins: Cabanossi (~Cabanossi@replaced-ip )
840 [06:41:16] *** Quits: f10_ (~flo@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
841 [06:41:26] <Neurorebel> then is just a convention
842 [06:41:33] <jmcnaught> that's what should happen, and why i said you should try putting it in /usr/local first
843 [06:41:57] <Neurorebel> no that i know i will respect it
844 [06:42:03] <jmcnaught> disobey the convention, and apt/dpkg may very well overwrite your file
845 [06:42:13] <Neurorebel> also i fear that aspell is dead
846 [06:42:40] <jmcnaught> i don't know for sure that aspell follows that convention, you could check in /usr/share/doc/aspell especially the README.Debian if there is one
847 [06:42:57] <jmcnaught> but it's definitely what i would try first
848 [06:43:00] <Neurorebel> im wrong but its using only spanish dictionary
849 [06:43:29] <Neurorebel> aspell helthy living
850 [06:43:59] <Neurorebel> i was wrong but i still dont know how to switch between languages
851 [06:44:43] <jmcnaught> Neurorebel: /usr/share/dict/README.select-wordlist mentions a script
852 [06:45:35] <Neurorebel> can I make a multilingual dictionary?
853 [06:45:48] *** Quits: Atm0spher1c (~future@replaced-ip ) (Quit: quit)
854 [06:45:50] <Neurorebel> surely i can
855 [06:46:27] <Neurorebel> jmcnaught, then i only can switch on the global?
856 [06:46:37] *** Joins: Rubin (~rubin@replaced-ip )
857 [06:46:52] <Wegg> jmcnaught: what is the official way of making a stretch net-install usb stick?
858 [06:46:55] <jmcnaught> why would it make sense to have multiple defaults globally?
859 [06:46:55] <Neurorebel> lets say that i want that this program stop checking for spanish words
860 [06:47:08] <Wegg> Cause what I just tried didn't work
861 [06:47:46] <jmcnaught> Wegg: cp debian.iso /dev/$USB_DEVICE where $USB_DEVICE will be sdh or something, but not sdh1 (target the device, not a partition)
862 [06:47:53] <Neurorebel> i only want to switch languages that is the truth as im bilingual
863 [06:48:41] <jmcnaught> Wegg: replaced-url
864 [06:49:30] *** Joins: Lal (uid175029@replaced-ip )
865 [06:49:36] <Wegg> thank you jmcnaught
866 [06:49:42] <jmcnaught> Neurorebel: i suggest reading the aspell man page to find options to select the dictionary you want, and then making aliases
867 [06:50:47] *** Quits: Rubin (~rubin@replaced-ip ) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
868 [06:50:47] <Neurorebel> then aspell is doing the check for xchat?
869 [06:51:02] <Neurorebel> does firefox use another method?
870 [06:51:06] <jmcnaught> oh this is about xchat?
871 [06:51:13] <Neurorebel> is it
872 [06:51:17] <Neurorebel> it is
873 [06:51:21] <jmcnaught> firefox has its own spellcheck dictionaries
874 [06:51:27] <Neurorebel> more or less
875 [06:51:27] <uxfi> Xchat is good
876 [06:51:32] <Neurorebel> ahhh
877 [06:51:41] <Neurorebel> that clears some part
878 [06:51:49] <Neurorebel> xchat uses aspell?
879 [06:52:02] <jmcnaught> i don't know what xchat uses, i use irssi
880 [06:52:11] <uxfi> yeah
881 [06:52:32] <Neurorebel> talked the "i dont use X" man...
882 [06:52:56] <Neurorebel> then the thing is clearified
883 [06:52:57] *** Joins: Rubin (~rubin@replaced-ip )
884 [06:54:41] <jmcnaught> Neurorebel: in firefox there is a dictionaries tab on about:addons
885 [06:55:26] <Neurorebel> i will fix that later
886 [06:55:27] <jmcnaught> and firefox-esr depends on libhunspell-1.4-0
887 [06:55:37] <Neurorebel> im concerned about aspell now
888 [06:55:57] <Neurorebel> because it seems to use a separate dictionary folder
889 [06:56:04] <Neurorebel> "/usr/share/aspell"
890 [06:56:55] <Neurorebel> what exactly is there?
891 [06:57:35] <jmcnaught> i don't know you're probably going to have to spend some time reading the aspell documentation
892 [06:57:43] <Neurorebel> and if it uses /usr/share/aspell what is /usr/share/dict for?
893 [06:58:05] <Neurorebel> that is what confused me
894 [06:58:08] *** Quits: sondr3 (~sondr3@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
895 [06:58:30] <Neurorebel> what a lot iof time!
896 [06:58:54] <Neurorebel> im about to desist
897 [06:59:40] *** Joins: morphis_ (~morphis@replaced-ip )
898 [06:59:42] *** Joins: dionysus69 (~Thunderbi@replaced-ip )
899 [07:00:17] <Neurorebel> there is also ispell
900 [07:00:31] <Neurorebel> and it is installed in my system too
901 [07:01:00] <Neurorebel> a single dictionary file for the entire sys, awsome!
902 [07:01:31] <jmcnaught> yeah there are a few, aspell might not use /usr/share/dict/words at all
903 [07:03:25] <Neurorebel> then for what are those for??
904 [07:03:37] <Neurorebel> just for brutforcing?
905 [07:04:00] <jmcnaught> or an the anagram generator
906 [07:04:45] *** Joins: monpocchi (~monpocchi@replaced-ip )
907 [07:05:37] <jmcnaught> probably lots of programs expect a simple list of words available there, but spellcheckers use their own dictionary files that have more metadata
908 [07:06:31] *** Quits: s7r (~s7r@replaced-ip ) (Quit: Disconnected.)
909 [07:06:46] *** Joins: s7r (~s7r@replaced-ip )
910 [07:06:47] *** Joins: yabai (~yabai@replaced-ip )
911 [07:06:51] *** Quits: yabai (~yabai@replaced-ip ) (Client Quit)
912 [07:07:00] *** Joins: nix64bit (~Thunderbi@replaced-ip )
913 [07:08:33] *** Quits: dionysus69 (~Thunderbi@replaced-ip ) (Remote host closed the connection)
914 [07:08:42] <Wegg> jmcnaught: I follow the instructions to make a bootable flash drive, I put it into my system, I boot into that flash drive and all i get is a blinky prompt
915 [07:08:57] *** Quits: maotm (~mao@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
916 [07:09:08] *** Quits: vfw (~mythtv@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
917 [07:09:26] <Wegg> I have always just used UNetbootin in the past but that doesn't even work with stretch net install iso files
918 [07:09:40] <jmcnaught> !unetbootin
919 [07:09:40] <dpkg> UNetbootin (Universal Netboot Installer) allows creation of bootable USB drives for a variety of Linux distributions. replaced-url
920 [07:10:05] *** Joins: dionysus69 (~Thunderbi@replaced-ip )
921 [07:10:17] *** Quits: dayten (~gnoid@replaced-ip ) (Remote host closed the connection)
922 [07:12:24] <pingfloyd> more like unotbootin
923 [07:12:40] <TinkerTiger> I had trouble with it.
924 [07:12:57] <pingfloyd> unetbootin is pretty much shit, so don't feel bad
925 [07:13:07] * Wegg rubs his temples
926 [07:13:58] <TinkerTiger> I don't feel anything. I just took my night-time drugs. *crash* ;)
927 [07:14:02] *** Joins: iWaldo_ (~iWaldo@replaced-ip )
928 [07:14:03] *** Joins: dec0n (~dec0n@replaced-ip )
929 [07:14:24] *** Quits: kimico_ (~kimico@replaced-ip ) (Remote host closed the connection)
930 [07:14:26] <pingfloyd> Wegg: you should just copy the image right to the usb stick
931 [07:14:33] <jmcnaught> Wegg: can you show us exactly the command you used to copy the the image?
932 [07:15:31] *** Joins: kimico (~kimico@replaced-ip )
933 [07:15:37] <Wegg> cp debian-stretch-DI-rc4-amd64-netinst.iso /dev/sdd1
934 [07:15:49] <pingfloyd> Wegg: copy it to the device, not its partition
935 [07:15:56] <pingfloyd> so you'd want /dev/sdd instead in your case
936 [07:15:58] <jmcnaught> Wegg: you copied it to a partition on the device, the instructions (including mine) are to copy it to the device
937 [07:15:58] <Neurorebel> funny they were discussing the same thing the last time that i came here
938 [07:15:59] *** Quits: Zvmdyv (nnn@replaced-ip ) (Remote host closed the connection)
939 [07:16:10] *** Quits: reagentz (~jcd@replaced-ip ) (Quit: Leaving.)
940 [07:16:23] <jmcnaught> debian installer images are already partitioned
941 [07:16:24] <Neurorebel> seems that usb booting is not as in the past
942 [07:16:32] <pingfloyd> Neurorebel: issues are weird like that
943 [07:16:47] <Neurorebel> what is accented english??
944 [07:16:51] <pingfloyd> Neurorebel: like you'll be talking about some issue and someone pops in with the same issue
945 [07:17:06] <Neurorebel> pingfloyd, always are the same
946 [07:17:16] <Neurorebel> com,puters are so repetitive...
947 [07:17:25] *** Quits: iWaldo (~iWaldo@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
948 [07:17:43] <Neurorebel> still dont heppened to me
949 [07:17:56] *** Joins: electro33 (uid613@replaced-ip )
950 [07:17:58] <jmcnaught> Neurorebel: presumably its a version of the english dictionary that includes accents on words borrowed from other languages, like déja vu
951 [07:18:14] <Neurorebel> ahh
952 [07:18:42] <Wegg> woo hoo! Debian GNU/Linux installer boot menu! (phew)
953 [07:18:44] <Neurorebel> sinmce im a foreign speaker my comprehension of enmglish grammatic uis limited
954 [07:18:47] <Wegg> and now the fun begins.
955 [07:19:09] <Neurorebel> a blue screen somewhere
956 [07:19:14] <Neurorebel> with options
957 [07:19:15] *** Quits: iWaldo_ (~iWaldo@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
958 [07:19:56] *** Quits: dionysus69 (~Thunderbi@replaced-ip ) (Remote host closed the connection)
959 [07:20:17] *** Joins: Bock (~bocaneri@replaced-ip )
960 [07:21:16] *** Joins: dionysus69 (~Thunderbi@replaced-ip )
961 [07:21:20] <jmcnaught> Neurorebel: it's the same for a lot of native English speakers actually :P
962 [07:21:55] <GumShoe_> @jmcnaught I got it working like this: connmanctl config wifi_redacted_managed_psk --ipv4 dhcp 192.168.1.1 192.168.1.1
963 [07:21:56] <Neurorebel> since you pronounce a "ai"
964 [07:22:27] <jmcnaught> GumShoe_: cool
965 [07:22:27] <Neurorebel> dont cheat that are two letters not one
966 [07:22:38] <Neurorebel> "ou"
967 [07:23:13] <Neurorebel> the opopssite goes with french
968 [07:23:27] *** Quits: overlord_tm (~andraz@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
969 [07:23:31] <Neurorebel> "eau"
970 [07:24:14] <uxfi> over 9000000
971 [07:24:15] <uxfi> heh
972 [07:24:24] <uxfi> hi Neurorebel sir
973 [07:24:49] <Neurorebel> hi uxfi
974 [07:25:02] *** Joins: hassonofer (~hassonofe@replaced-ip )
975 [07:25:34] *** Quits: Cabanossi (~Cabanossi@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
976 [07:26:03] *** Quits: dionysus69 (~Thunderbi@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
977 [07:26:20] *** Joins: Cabanossi (~Cabanossi@replaced-ip )
978 [07:26:49] *** Joins: Pjusur (~Pjusur@replaced-ip )
979 [07:30:52] <Wegg> jmcnaught: I'm at the software selection screen where it asks me to install a desktop environment. Openbox is not one of the options. Which one should I just go with for now? Or should I just stick with command line and install openbox that way so there is no conflict?
980 [07:31:02] *** Joins: patterson (~patterson@replaced-ip )
981 [07:31:52] *** Quits: Pjusur (~Pjusur@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)
982 [07:31:59] <Wegg> I guess "Debian desktop environment" is the default.
983 [07:32:06] <jmcnaught> Wegg: the default is GNOME
984 [07:32:43] <jmcnaught> you don't need to install one now, you can install openbox and stuff from the CLI after first boot. But it doesn't hurt to have one installed as a backup, or to use while you get openbox set up
985 [07:32:53] <jmcnaught> lxde and xfce are both pretty lightweight
986 [07:33:43] <mutante> Wegg: personally, i would do the default , GNOME. and you can always change it later to about a dozen different ones. another one i like is Enlightenment DR17
987 [07:34:25] *** Joins: Vizva (~max@replaced-ip )
988 [07:34:36] <jmcnaught> GNOME is great and if the computer is new you shouldn't worry about resource usage
989 [07:34:40] *** Quits: dolftax (~dolftax@replaced-ip ) (Remote host closed the connection)
990 [07:34:53] <jmcnaught> (not that it's actually very heavy)
991 [07:37:33] *** kallesbar_ is now known as kallesbar
992 [07:38:18] <Wegg> the muscle memory I have for right click-terminal or right click/graphics Blender etc. . . so hard to switch to something different.
993 [07:38:20] *** Joins: h1t3sh (~h1t3sh@replaced-ip )
994 [07:38:45] <jmcnaught> you can have openbox on Debian, it's just not popular enough to make it into the installer menu
995 [07:38:54] <Wegg> So many new things I want to learn. . . a whole new way of getting to my programs is not one of them.
996 [07:39:00] * Wegg nods
997 [07:39:05] <Wegg> that's what I'm hoping
998 [07:39:22] <Neurorebel> simple bash question, how is the quickest way of convert returns to spaces?
999 [07:39:43] <TinkerTiger> Peace.
1000 [07:39:44] *** Quits: TinkerTiger (~will@replaced-ip ) (Quit: leaving)
1001 [07:40:04] <Neurorebel> I need a list of wors sepated byt spaces and i have it separated by endlines
1002 [07:40:51] *** Quits: NoRm4nD_ (~NoRm4nD@replaced-ip ) (Quit: Saindo)
1003 [07:40:54] <bazhang> try #bash
1004 [07:40:56] <Neurorebel> done
1005 [07:41:03] <Neurorebel> $(cat)
1006 [07:41:11] *** Joins: NoRm4nD (~NoRm4nD@replaced-ip )
1007 [07:41:25] *** Joins: adoua (~adoua@replaced-ip )
1008 [07:41:57] *** Joins: holmgren (magnus@replaced-ip )
1009 [07:42:29] *** Joins: super_gollum (~ich@replaced-ip )
1010 [07:44:28] *** Joins: Pjusur (~Pjusur@replaced-ip )
1011 [07:44:54] *** Quits: scream (~scream@replaced-ip ) (Remote host closed the connection)
1012 [07:46:02] *** katyucha_ is now known as katyucha
1013 [07:46:02] <Neurorebel> excellent the file "/usr/share/aspell/es.dat" can not be opened for reading.
1014 [07:46:24] <Wegg> jmcnaught: after all that. . . still the same errors when debian tries to start.
1015 [07:46:56] <Neurorebel> ls: no se puede acceder a /usr/share/aspell/*.dat: No existe el fichero o el directorio
1016 [07:47:01] <Wegg> just in a different typefont
1017 [07:47:20] <Neurorebel> "cannot access" "does not exist"
1018 [07:47:23] <jmcnaught> Wegg: can you get to any sort of a login?
1019 [07:48:09] <jmcnaught> if you can log into the system after first boot, then we just solve one problem at a time
1020 [07:48:10] <Wegg> doesn't look like it.
1021 [07:48:16] *** Joins: markyk (~kekmy001@replaced-ip )
1022 [07:48:34] <markyk> hello friends
1023 [07:49:11] <markyk> #flood
1024 [07:49:12] <Wegg> trying recovery
1025 [07:49:17] <sonOfRa> Neurorebel: I think this is a globbing failure. That error says it's trying to open the file *.dat
1026 [07:49:25] <sonOfRa> Not all files that have the .dat extension
1027 [07:49:34] *** Joins: Strife89 (~quassel@replaced-ip )
1028 [07:49:37] <Neurorebel> no not that
1029 [07:49:53] <markyk> hello i have a problem with linux
1030 [07:49:54] <Neurorebel> it says that is tyrying to open a file that dont exist
1031 [07:50:20] <Neurorebel> the latter was the result of the ls /././*.dat
1032 [07:50:27] *** Quits: Strife1989 (~quassel@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)
1033 [07:51:01] <Neurorebel> there isn any .dat file in that folder
1034 [07:51:05] *** Joins: tvm (~tvm@replaced-ip )
1035 [07:51:12] <markyk> anyone know hot to download pidgin on linux
1036 [07:51:15] <Neurorebel> and it searches for es.dat
1037 [07:51:16] <markyk> how*
1038 [07:51:33] <Wegg> jmcnaught: "A start job is running for network ... Synchronization (2min /3 min)
1039 [07:51:34] <mutante> markyk: apt-get install pidgin
1040 [07:51:44] *** Joins: Drzacek (~Drzacek@replaced-ip )
1041 [07:51:49] <markyk> thanks brother
1042 [07:51:55] <jmcnaught> Wegg: let it finish?
1043 [07:52:11] <mutante> markyk: no problem, just make sure to run as root or use "sudo" in front of it
1044 [07:52:30] <Wegg> another one just starts. This time (3min /4 min)
1045 [07:53:09] *** Quits: Pseudocrat (~quassel@replaced-ip ) (Remote host closed the connection)
1046 [07:53:11] *** Quits: lethu (~lethu@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
1047 [07:53:28] <jmcnaught> what is the other one? give it a chance to error out if that is what's going to happen
1048 [07:53:31] <Wegg> if I alt-f3 it does it in that terminal too.
1049 [07:53:54] <Wegg> just starts over again.
1050 [07:54:06] <jmcnaught> what starts over again?
1051 [07:54:24] *** Quits: kzimmermann (~username@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
1052 [07:54:29] *** Quits: katyucha (~katyucha@replaced-ip ) (Quit: Lost terminal)
1053 [07:54:33] <Wegg> "A job is runninf for network ...e Synchronization (48s / 1min 30s)
1054 [07:54:40] <markyk> mutante: thanks, it has worked.
1055 [07:54:48] <mutante> markyk: :) welcome
1056 [07:54:51] <jmcnaught> Wegg: take a look at replaced-url
1057 [07:55:48] *** Quits: _KaszpiR_ (quasselcor@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
1058 [07:55:58] <Wegg> I'd need terminal access for that jmcnaught
1059 [07:56:15] <jmcnaught> Wegg: no these are boot options you do in the GRUB menu
1060 [07:56:16] *** Joins: _KaszpiR_ (quasselcor@replaced-ip )
1061 [07:56:41] <Wegg> oh
1062 [07:57:11] <markyk> mutante: after running the apt-get pidgin command, the downloaded process has finished but where will i be able to launch this program from?
1063 [07:57:40] *** Joins: SonicFreq (~SonicFreq@replaced-ip )
1064 [07:59:32] <jmcnaught> markyk: if you use a desktop environment then Pidgin should be in a menu. Also most programs like Pidgin get installed to /usr/bin which is on your $PATH so you can probably just run "pidgin" from the command line
1065 [07:59:33] *** Joins: LucaTM (~LucaTM@replaced-ip )
1066 [07:59:33] *** Joins: antoine (~quassel@replaced-ip )
1067 [08:00:05] *** Quits: monpocchi (~monpocchi@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
1068 [08:03:27] *** Quits: Makeeter (~FF@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
1069 [08:05:29] *** Joins: m-H7 (~mathias@replaced-ip )
1070 [08:05:35] *** Joins: bzyku (~bzyk@replaced-ip )
1071 [08:06:26] *** Joins: RebelCoderRU (~Yuriy@replaced-ip )
1072 [08:07:34] *** Joins: birk (~lksdjf@replaced-ip )
1073 [08:07:39] <Wegg> jmcnaught: this got way past simple
1074 [08:07:46] *** birk is now known as eliran
1075 [08:07:48] *** Quits: eliran (~lksdjf@replaced-ip ) (Changing host)
1076 [08:07:48] *** Joins: eliran (~lksdjf@replaced-ip )
1077 [08:07:51] *** Parts: eliran (~lksdjf@replaced-ip )
1078 [08:08:04] *** Joins: Voovode (~Alex@replaced-ip )
1079 [08:08:12] *** Joins: katyucha1 (~katyucha@replaced-ip )
1080 [08:08:25] <markyk> jmcnaught: Ive run the apt-get install pidgin command which produces this output----------- Reading package lists... Done
1081 [08:08:25] <markyk> Building dependency tree
1082 [08:08:25] <markyk> Reading state information... Done
1083 [08:08:25] <markyk> The following additional packages will be installed:
1084 [08:08:25] *** markyk was kicked by debhelper (flood. Please use replaced-url
1085 [08:08:26] *** Joins: sdrausty (~u0_a93@replaced-ip )
1086 [08:08:27] <Wegg> I'm at the minimal BASH-like line editing thing in GNU Grub but. . . I haven't got the foggiest idea what these Debugging commands are or what they do etc.
1087 [08:09:29] *** Joins: ltem (~ltem@replaced-ip )
1088 [08:09:35] <jmcnaught> Wegg: try solution #3 from that page, add "systemd.unit=rescue.target" (or just "1") to the kernel command line (it should start with linux, and has the word quiet in it)
1089 [08:09:39] *** Joins: sbasso (~sbasso@replaced-ip )
1090 [08:10:24] *** Quits: mibo (~mibo@replaced-ip ) (Quit: Leaving.)
1091 [08:10:24] *** Quits: heurist`_ (heurist@replaced-ip ) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
1092 [08:10:46] <jmcnaught> that should get you into a basic boot. if it doesn't, you can reboot and add "systemd.unit=debug-shell.service" to that same line, which opens a root shell on tty9 (alt-f9) early in the boot, so you can run commands and troubleshoot from there
1093 [08:10:57] *** Quits: dreamon_ (~dreamon@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
1094 [08:11:50] <Aebian> not sure what he is trying to archieve but he could also edit the boot parameter before booting with E and then append on the line starting with linux this: init=/bin/bash
1095 [08:11:58] <Aebian> and then he gets a root shell
1096 [08:12:00] *** debhelper sets mode: +l 1668
1097 [08:12:03] *** Joins: ogny (~orkun@replaced-ip )
1098 [08:12:07] *** Joins: lethu (~lethu@replaced-ip )
1099 [08:12:08] <Wegg> Ok I see linux /boot/vmlinuz-(stuff) quiet do I add that to the line above that stuff?
1100 [08:12:23] <Aebian> no directly at the end of it
1101 [08:12:28] *** Quits: SonicFreq (~SonicFreq@replaced-ip ) (Remote host closed the connection)
1102 [08:12:33] <Wegg> after it says quiet
1103 [08:12:54] <Aebian> then just append it. It needs to be in the same line
1104 [08:13:11] <Aebian> just like you would attach a word to a sentence to make it more clear
1105 [08:13:13] <jelly> also, if you remove the "quiet" word, that will give you more info from the kernel
1106 [08:13:56] *** Joins: SonicFreq (~SonicFreq@replaced-ip )
1107 [08:14:02] *** Quits: rebrec (~quassel@replaced-ip ) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
1108 [08:14:16] *** Joins: rebrec (~quassel@replaced-ip )
1109 [08:14:18] *** Joins: markyk (~kekmy001@replaced-ip )
1110 [08:14:45] *** Quits: sbasso (~sbasso@replaced-ip ) (Remote host closed the connection)
1111 [08:14:46] <Wegg> ok. . .quiet removed
1112 [08:14:48] <Wegg> F10 to boot
1113 [08:14:52] <Wegg> here goes nothing
1114 [08:15:27] <markyk> i am receiving errors when trying to install pidgin and run it
1115 [08:15:32] *** Quits: TheCoffeMaker (~TheCoffeM@replaced-ip ) (Remote host closed the connection)
1116 [08:15:39] <markyk> i cant seem to understand why
1117 [08:15:41] *** Joins: althalus (~althalus@replaced-ip )
1118 [08:16:07] <jmcnaught> markyk: please show us the errors and the commands you've tried in a paste on replaced-url
1119 [08:16:14] <Wegg> just a wall of text
1120 [08:16:41] *** Quits: psmolen (~psmolen@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
1121 [08:16:57] *** Quits: lel (l@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
1122 [08:17:06] *** Joins: adapter_ (~adapter@replaced-ip )
1123 [08:17:57] *** Quits: phebus (~phebus@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
1124 [08:17:57] *** Quits: binaryc (~binaryc@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
1125 [08:18:22] *** Quits: lethu (~lethu@replaced-ip ) (Quit: Leaving)
1126 [08:18:27] *** Quits: adapter (~adapter@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
1127 [08:18:28] *** Quits: althalus_ (~althalus@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
1128 [08:18:28] *** Quits: foul_owl (~foul_owl@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
1129 [08:18:46] *** Quits: cyphase (~cyphase@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
1130 [08:18:46] *** Quits: stephanie92 (~stephanie@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
1131 [08:18:51] *** Quits: wafflejock (~wafflej0c@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
1132 [08:18:57] *** Joins: yusrideb (~yusrideb@replaced-ip )
1133 [08:19:34] <Wegg> replaced-url
1134 [08:20:03] <Wegg> I don't think Debian is compatible with this motherboard/CPU combo
1135 [08:20:54] *** Quits: SonicFreq (~SonicFreq@replaced-ip ) (Remote host closed the connection)
1136 [08:21:07] *** Quits: joze (~joze@replaced-ip ) (Remote host closed the connection)
1137 [08:21:16] *** Quits: krytarik (~krytarik@replaced-ip ) (Quit: Leaving)
1138 [08:21:19] *** Joins: joze (~joze@replaced-ip )
1139 [08:21:27] <jmcnaught> is that with quiet removed?
1140 [08:21:37] *** Joins: heurist`_ (heurist@replaced-ip )
1141 [08:21:41] *** Quits: cerebro (~cerebro@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
1142 [08:21:43] <Wegg> yes
1143 [08:21:43] *** Quits: tvm (~tvm@replaced-ip ) (Quit: leaving)
1144 [08:22:00] *** debhelper sets mode: +l 1658
1145 [08:22:19] *** Joins: sbasso (~sbasso@replaced-ip )
1146 [08:23:05] *** Quits: slicepaperwords (~slicepape@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
1147 [08:23:15] *** Joins: woshty (~irc@replaced-ip )
1148 [08:23:44] *** Joins: cyphase (~cyphase@replaced-ip )
1149 [08:23:50] *** Joins: psmolen (~psmolen@replaced-ip )
1150 [08:23:50] <Wegg> I'll try it with quiet still on
1151 [08:24:25] <jmcnaught> removing quiet might be too much information all at once, just try to getting a working shell either using rescue.target or debug-shell.service
1152 [08:24:58] *** Joins: binaryc (~binaryc@replaced-ip )
1153 [08:25:38] *** Quits: Dr_Z2A (~DrZ@replaced-ip ) (Quit: Leaving)
1154 [08:26:44] <Wegg> replaced-url
1155 [08:27:31] *** katyucha1 is now known as katyucha
1156 [08:27:40] *** Quits: lost_soul (~shawn@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)
1157 [08:28:30] *** Quits: hassonofer (~hassonofe@replaced-ip ) (Quit: Leaving)
1158 [08:28:37] <jmcnaught> yeah
1159 [08:29:13] *** Joins: __marco (~marco@replaced-ip )
1160 [08:30:05] *** Quits: LiamMon (~liam.monc@185.166.131.51.srvlist.ukfast.net) (Quit: leaving)
1161 [08:30:30] *** Joins: llucenic (~Thunderbi@replaced-ip )
1162 [08:31:12] *** Joins: srtu (~hypnotoad@replaced-ip )
1163 [08:31:14] <Wegg> made a video. Uploading
1164 [08:31:32] *** xet7_ is now known as xet7
1165 [08:31:38] *** Joins: wafflejock (~wafflej0c@replaced-ip )
1166 [08:31:56] <Wegg> so weird that ubuntu installs without issue.
1167 [08:31:57] <Wegg> :-(
1168 [08:32:00] *** Quits: markyk (~kekmy001@replaced-ip ) (Remote host closed the connection)
1169 [08:32:17] *** Joins: stephanie92 (~stephanie@replaced-ip )
1170 [08:32:53] <Wegg> replaced-url
1171 [08:33:01] *** Quits: sbasso (~sbasso@replaced-ip ) (Remote host closed the connection)
1172 [08:33:41] *** Joins: foul_owl (~foul_owl@replaced-ip )
1173 [08:33:59] *** Joins: markyk (~kekmy001@replaced-ip )
1174 [08:34:15] <Neurorebel> it took a while but it worked
1175 [08:34:28] *** Joins: bvdk (~bvdkfreen@replaced-ip )
1176 [08:34:57] <Neurorebel> now i have only the words propper of the slang but not the rest of them
1177 [08:35:19] *** Joins: fr0tzed (~fr0tzed@replaced-ip )
1178 [08:35:21] <Neurorebel> aspell only knows bad words
1179 [08:36:05] <Wegg> naughty aspell
1180 [08:36:19] *** Joins: conta (~Thunderbi@replaced-ip )
1181 [08:37:08] <Neurorebel> what are the files that ls list in red?
1182 [08:38:06] *** Joins: lost_soul (~shawn@replaced-ip )
1183 [08:38:12] *** Quits: NoRm4nD (~NoRm4nD@replaced-ip ) (Quit: Saindo)
1184 [08:38:33] *** Joins: NoRm4nD (~NoRm4nD@replaced-ip )
1185 [08:38:37] <Neurorebel> what are the files that ls lists in red?
1186 [08:39:36] <jmcnaught> usually archives and compressed files are red in ls
1187 [08:39:48] <Neurorebel> thanks
1188 [08:39:54] <Wegg> Well I do believe I tried everything I could. . . might try Manjaro. . . :-(
1189 [08:39:56] <Neurorebel> newbie question
1190 [08:39:57] *** Quits: bvdk (~bvdkfreen@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
1191 [08:40:31] *** Parts: markyk (~kekmy001@replaced-ip )
1192 [08:40:46] <jmcnaught> Wegg: it's likely that there are other kernel boot parameters that you can use to overcome hardware issues, but you will need to isolate the issue you need to solve. Sorry I was not able to view your video
1193 [08:41:17] *** Quits: TomasCZ (~TomasCZ@replaced-ip ) (Quit: Leaving)
1194 [08:41:57] *** Quits: phogg (~phogg@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
1195 [08:42:09] <Wegg> not able to vew it technictally? An error or something? Or sorry because you can't spend the time on that. (not offended either way)
1196 [08:42:18] *** Joins: phebus (~phebus@replaced-ip )
1197 [08:42:20] <Wegg> You have been an awesome help.
1198 [08:42:39] *** Joins: arturo (~arturo@replaced-ip )
1199 [08:42:45] <jmcnaught> oh it's just i'm a weirdo who uses umatrix and noscript and that URL was just a mess of requests to unblock so i gave up
1200 [08:42:46] *** Joins: lel (l@replaced-ip )
1201 [08:42:57] *** Quits: RebelCoderRU (~Yuriy@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
1202 [08:43:03] *** Quits: High_Priest (~hp@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
1203 [08:43:12] <jmcnaught> and it's a group effort ☺
1204 [08:43:39] <Wegg> oh I can solve that.
1205 [08:43:44] <Wegg> gimme a tick
1206 [08:44:18] *** Joins: phogg (~phogg@replaced-ip )
1207 [08:44:40] *** Quits: JLye (~Jlye03@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
1208 [08:45:17] *** Joins: High_Priest (~hp@replaced-ip )
1209 [08:45:23] *** Quits: gryffus_ (~gryffus@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
1210 [08:45:39] *** Joins: ongolaBoy (~ongolaBoy@replaced-ip )
1211 [08:46:41] <rdz> hey all. what's better with 6 disk: RAID-5 with 1 Spare, or RAID-6 with 0 Spare?
1212 [08:47:05] <rdz> from what I understaand, both provide the same mount of usable storage
1213 [08:47:17] <Wegg> replaced-url
1214 [08:47:36] *** Joins: ruslan_m (~rmstoi@replaced-ip )
1215 [08:47:51] *** Joins: Xanthor (~Xanthor@replaced-ip )
1216 [08:48:21] *** Quits: TuxShells (~TuxShells@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
1217 [08:48:24] *** Joins: davidcourtin (~textual@replaced-ip )
1218 [08:49:12] <GNU\colossus> rdz, RAID6 is clearly superior
1219 [08:49:20] <GNU\colossus> spares are (mostly) a waste of spindles
1220 [08:49:47] <rdz> GNU\colossus, thanks. so you say RAID-6 is also faster than RAID-5?
1221 [08:49:53] <jmcnaught> Wegg: cool thanks. Have you tried web searching for "NMI watchdog: BUG: soft lockup" ?
1222 [08:50:15] *** Quits: lifeofguenter (~lifeofgue@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
1223 [08:50:28] <GNU\colossus> rdz, it generally isn't, but the benefits of RAID6 outweigh its drawbacks.
1224 [08:50:48] <Wegg> jmcnaught: yes I did. I can disable the reporting of it.
1225 [08:50:55] <Wegg> from Grub
1226 [08:50:55] *** Joins: TuxShells (~TuxShells@replaced-ip )
1227 [08:51:17] <Wegg> But. . . I never did get a bash prompt no matter how long I waited so I'm not sure that would help.
1228 [08:51:46] *** Joins: reagentz (~jcd@replaced-ip )
1229 [08:52:01] *** debhelper sets mode: +l 1668
1230 [08:52:16] *** Joins: sbasso (~sbasso@replaced-ip )
1231 [08:52:41] *** Joins: LiamMon (~liam.monc@185.166.131.51.srvlist.ukfast.net)
1232 [08:53:13] <rdz> GNU\colossus, thanks.. will read some more
1233 [08:53:27] *** Parts: Neurorebel (~madaboutj@replaced-ip )
1234 [08:55:05] *** Joins: bvdk (~bvdkfreen@replaced-ip )
1235 [08:56:34] *** Joins: gryffus_ (~gryffus@replaced-ip )
1236 [08:56:45] *** Joins: Levure (~quassel@replaced-ip )
1237 [08:56:54] *** Joins: jackNemrod (~Thunderbi@replaced-ip )
1238 [08:57:26] <jmcnaught> Wegg: what do you mean disable reporting of it in grub? it's a lot easier to discuss this stuff literally, like "i used noapic as a boot option" for example (not suggesing use of noapic)
1239 [08:57:34] *** Quits: QwertyDragon (~QwertyDra@replaced-ip ) (Quit: Leaving)
1240 [08:58:51] *** Joins: overlord_tm (~andraz@replaced-ip )
1241 [08:58:54] *** Quits: domovoy (~domovoy@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
1242 [08:59:01] *** Joins: Haudegen (~quassel@replaced-ip )
1243 [08:59:21] <Wegg> I just read that you could disable the reporting. So in my research it looks like if you use "auto" in the bios for autoclocking it can give this error. I have manually set the clock to a stable setting and am trying again.
1244 [09:01:59] *** Joins: gryffus (~gryffus@replaced-ip )
1245 [09:02:01] *** debhelper sets mode: +l 1674
1246 [09:02:16] *** Quits: gryffus_ (~gryffus@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
1247 [09:04:26] *** Joins: SaschaVoid (~Void@replaced-ip )
1248 [09:05:54] *** Quits: sidetracking (~quassel@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
1249 [09:06:28] *** Joins: Butt3rfly (~Butt3rfly@replaced-ip )
1250 [09:08:09] *** Joins: jackNemrod_ (~Thunderbi@replaced-ip )
1251 [09:08:46] *** Quits: Selveste1_ (~hds@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
1252 [09:09:37] *** Quits: jackNemrod (~Thunderbi@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
1253 [09:09:37] *** jackNemrod_ is now known as jackNemrod
1254 [09:10:13] *** Joins: ToBeCloud (uid51591@replaced-ip )
1255 [09:10:57] <Wegg> nope. Still goes crazy with all the auto-clock stuff turned off
1256 [09:11:43] *** Joins: SH0x_ (~saulius@replaced-ip )
1257 [09:12:02] <Wegg> have to throw in the towel. Sorry Debian. :-(
1258 [09:15:21] *** Joins: chele (~chele@replaced-ip )
1259 [09:17:40] <Aebian> Wegg: whats your initial problem?
1260 [09:19:13] *** Quits: xet7 (~xet7@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
1261 [09:19:32] *** Joins: fast (~fast@replaced-ip )
1262 [09:19:50] <Wegg> Aebian: I can't run Debian. And I can't get to a command prompt to de-bug it.
1263 [09:20:01] <Wegg> Tried Jessie and Stretch
1264 [09:20:45] *** Joins: hojgaard (~hojgaard@replaced-ip )
1265 [09:21:15] *** Joins: Zeeps_ (adfede9a@replaced-ip )
1266 [09:21:21] *** Joins: Zvmdyv (nnn@replaced-ip )
1267 [09:21:27] *** Joins: vfw (~mythtv@replaced-ip )
1268 [09:21:43] <jelly> Wegg: that can happen when your hardware is too new
1269 [09:22:00] *** Quits: slowz (~kevin@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
1270 [09:22:14] <jelly> Wegg: takes time for linux to support things. which cpu model is it
1271 [09:22:16] <Wegg> This motherboard is from 2014
1272 [09:22:18] <Zeeps_> Hi. I'm trying to get my server to send emails for wordpress. currently is sends as name@local.domain . How do I fix it so that it sends as name@mydomain.com ?
1273 [09:22:24] *** Quits: KidBeta (~textual@replaced-ip ) (Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…)
1274 [09:22:25] *** Quits: ChmEarl (~chmearl@replaced-ip ) (Quit: Leaving)
1275 [09:22:35] <Wegg> uhh. . . lemme look.
1276 [09:22:49] <Wegg> i7-5960X
1277 [09:22:58] <Zeeps_> Wegg: cat /proc/cpuinfo
1278 [09:23:02] <Zeeps_> nice cpu
1279 [09:23:05] <jelly> that's not very new or unusual, either
1280 [09:24:14] <jelly> Wegg: how old is your bios/uefi firmware, did you ever upgrade it
1281 [09:24:23] *** Joins: slowz (~kevin@replaced-ip )
1282 [09:24:23] *** Quits: slowz (~kevin@replaced-ip ) (Changing host)
1283 [09:24:23] *** Joins: slowz (~kevin@replaced-ip )
1284 [09:24:32] <jelly> firmware updates sometimes fix things
1285 [09:24:36] <Wegg> I just updated it
1286 [09:24:42] <jelly> good
1287 [09:25:06] <jelly> then it appears you've done due diligence
1288 [09:25:40] <Wegg> Yea I gave it a shot
1289 [09:26:04] <Wegg> Ubuntu and Mint both work without issue which is so frustrating.
1290 [09:26:20] <jelly> which ubuntu release?
1291 [09:26:25] *** Joins: domovoy (~domovoy@replaced-ip )
1292 [09:26:26] *** Joins: frostschutz (~frostschu@replaced-ip )
1293 [09:27:15] <Wegg> dunno. 17dot whatever. I'm not up on Ubuntu names
1294 [09:27:21] <jmcnaught> Wegg: if you still want to try with Debian than I recommended looking for "NMI watchdog: BUG: soft lockup" and checking to see what troubleshooting steps and solutions others tried (you can discuss them here before you try)
1295 [09:27:21] <Wegg> Just tried it on a whim.
1296 [09:27:43] <jelly> probably uses a later kernel than stretch
1297 [09:28:06] <Zeeps_> any one that can help me with sendmail
1298 [09:28:15] *** Joins: loader (~loader@replaced-ip )
1299 [09:28:33] <Wegg> jmcnaught: I tracked that error down to something to do with overclocking. So I disabled the "auto" overclocking in the bios and that speficic error stopped showing up but the others were all still there and it never let me get to a bash prompt.
1300 [09:28:49] <Wegg> jelly: I guess I could try Sid. . .
1301 [09:28:57] <jmcnaught> Zeeps_: if you mean sendmail the MTA and selecting an alternative is still an option, than look at Postfix or Exim4 instead
1302 [09:29:01] <jelly> soft lockup is a symptom often seen in many different situations
1303 [09:29:27] *** Quits: remo (~user@replaced-ip ) (Remote host closed the connection)
1304 [09:30:02] *** Joins: zamuro (~Samantha@replaced-ip )
1305 [09:30:02] *** Quits: zamuro (~Samantha@replaced-ip ) (Changing host)
1306 [09:30:02] *** Joins: zamuro (~Samantha@replaced-ip )
1307 [09:30:38] <Wegg> You guys generally don't help people if they go to Sid though do you.
1308 [09:30:40] <jelly> Wegg: which has pretty much the same versions of packages as stretch right now
1309 [09:30:46] <Wegg> oh
1310 [09:31:28] <jmcnaught> some people here will help with sid, but there's a channel #debian-next on irc.oftc.net that's dedicated to it
1311 [09:31:38] *** Joins: lixil_ (~fvroman@replaced-ip )
1312 [09:31:38] <coke> Zeeps_: with wordpresses tendenzy to get taken over i would probably not let it send mail directly through my smtp server
1313 [09:31:39] <jelly> you could boot ubuntu live, mount debian, chroot into it and try a newer kernel (eg. from experimental), see if there's any change
1314 [09:31:52] <jelly> ,kernels
1315 [09:31:53] <judd> Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.11.0-trunk-686 (4.11-1~exp2); sid: 4.9.0-3-686 (4.9.25-1); stretch: 4.9.0-3-686 (4.9.25-1); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.3-686 (4.9.25-1~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.43-2); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.88-1)
1316 [09:32:00] *** debhelper sets mode: +l 1682
1317 [09:32:10] *** Quits: mvaenskae (~mvaenskae@replaced-ip ) (Quit: leaving)
1318 [09:32:40] <jelly> there's also nvidia firmware missing, but that probably isn't a reason for huge lockup
1319 [09:32:51] <jmcnaught> Zeeps_: oh i missed your earlier messages about wordpress. What does /etc/mailname say in it? Also did you install the sendmail package?
1320 [09:33:01] *** Joins: mvaenskae (~mvaenskae@replaced-ip )
1321 [09:33:06] <jmcnaught> (don't install sendmail if you haven't, i'm just asking)
1322 [09:34:57] <Wegg> OOoo liveCD Mandjero just locked up. task systemd-udevd:383 blocked for more than 120 seconds
1323 [09:35:02] <Wegg> so it isn't just Debian
1324 [09:36:05] <jelly> Wegg: if you've messed with overclocking you might try resetting bios to default or safe settings
1325 [09:36:16] *** Quits: DomaMuffin (~DomaMuffi@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
1326 [09:36:47] *** Joins: Selveste1_ (~hds@replaced-ip )
1327 [09:37:01] * Wegg nods
1328 [09:37:31] *** Joins: schu-r (~Thunderbi@replaced-ip )
1329 [09:37:32] <jelly> otherwise this all might just be hardware instability
1330 [09:37:47] *** Quits: heurist`_ (heurist@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)
1331 [09:38:15] *** Joins: DomaMuffin (~DomaMuffi@replaced-ip )
1332 [09:38:47] *** Joins: qwertyzxcvbn (~qwertyzxc@replaced-ip )
1333 [09:39:07] *** Joins: buhletxr (~buhletxr@replaced-ip )
1334 [09:39:49] *** Joins: dohfish (~oemillak@replaced-ip )
1335 [09:39:55] *** Joins: heurist`_ (heurist@replaced-ip )
1336 [09:40:10] *** Quits: davidcourtin (~textual@replaced-ip##) (Quit: Textual IRC Client: ##replaced-url
1337 [09:40:11] *** Quits: Zvmdyv (nnn@replaced-ip ) (Remote host closed the connection)
1338 [09:40:49] *** Joins: davidcourtin (~textual@replaced-ip )
1339 [09:40:59] *** davidcourtin is now known as dcstream
1340 [09:41:41] *** Joins: abu0 (~abu0@replaced-ip )
1341 [09:43:22] <Wegg> nope. still going nuts.
1342 [09:43:24] <Wegg> :-(
1343 [09:44:13] *** Joins: sleepyhead (~sleepyhea@replaced-ip )
1344 [09:44:15] *** Quits: LiamMon (~liam.monc@185.166.131.51.srvlist.ukfast.net) (Quit: leaving)
1345 [09:44:49] *** Joins: LiamMon (~liam.monc@classical.moncur.eu)
1346 [09:45:04] *** Quits: clopez (~tau@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)
1347 [09:45:09] <jmcnaught> Wegg: did you have linux running on this computer before, but now you added an NVMe?
1348 [09:45:36] *** Joins: spacemn (~dnc@replaced-ip )
1349 [09:46:05] <Wegg> No I had ubuntu running on NVMe
1350 [09:46:11] *** Joins: js9600 (~jsdk@replaced-ip )
1351 [09:47:02] <Wegg> I'm making an ubuntu USB stick right now just to be sure. If that can't install/run then this is a hardware issue and I have wasted everyone's time. :-(
1352 [09:47:02] *** Joins: malademental (~emixam@replaced-ip )
1353 [09:47:58] *** Joins: celri (~BSmaxJSCM@replaced-ip )
1354 [09:47:59] *** Joins: mirazi_heket (~michalp@replaced-ip )
1355 [09:48:04] *** Joins: savantgarde (~savantgar@replaced-ip )
1356 [09:48:05] *** Joins: yrkhoon (~yrkhoon@replaced-ip )
1357 [09:48:07] <jmcnaught> you said it was from 2014, does that mean that ubuntu 14.xx or 16.xx was previously working on it, or have you only ever used the ubuntu release from this year?
1358 [09:49:08] <Wegg> Specifically it was ubuntu-gnome-17.04-desktop-amd64.iso
1359 [09:49:29] *** Joins: TrueDD (~truedd@replaced-ip )
1360 [09:49:36] *** Quits: celri (~BSmaxJSCM@replaced-ip ) (Client Quit)
1361 [09:49:40] <Wegg> The motherboard is from 2014 but it is new to me. The guy I purchased this system from was a Windows user.
1362 [09:49:44] <jmcnaught> if you find that a kernel newer than 4.9 works and are really committed, then you could try to compile a kernel package, drop to a shell while in the installer, and install it before first boot
1363 [09:50:04] <mirazi_heket> could you take a look please? replaced-url
1364 [09:50:14] <mirazi_heket> error with debconf-set-selections
1365 [09:50:45] *** Quits: yrkhoon (~yrkhoon@replaced-ip ) (Client Quit)
1366 [09:50:59] *** Quits: schu-r (~Thunderbi@replaced-ip ) (Quit: schu-r)
1367 [09:51:41] *** Joins: Walakea (~Thunderbi@replaced-ip )
1368 [09:51:43] *** Parts: sleepyhead (~sleepyhea@replaced-ip )
1369 [09:51:54] <babilen> mirazi_heket: You might want to escape strings
1370 [09:52:00] *** debhelper sets mode: +l 1692
1371 [09:52:02] *** Joins: Comstock- (~Comstock@replaced-ip )
1372 [09:52:16] *** Joins: clopez (~tau@replaced-ip )
1373 [09:52:27] *** Joins: remo (~user@replaced-ip )
1374 [09:52:59] <jmcnaught> mirazi_heket: it's strange that the errors are reported on lines 145, 146 when my /usr/bin/debconf-set-selections is 144 lines long
1375 [09:53:22] *** Quits: grady_ (~grady@replaced-ip ) (Remote host closed the connection)
1376 [09:53:52] <jmcnaught> is it possible that you accidentally wrote to the script while trying to pipe to it or something?
1377 [09:54:52] <mirazi_heket> hmmm not really, will use escape strings
1378 [09:55:26] <jelly> which debian release is this, mirazi_heket
1379 [09:55:28] *** Quits: Comstock (~Comstock@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
1380 [09:55:43] <mirazi_heket> 8.8
1381 [09:56:27] *** Joins: Lowl3v3l (~lowl3v3l@replaced-ip )
1382 [09:56:36] *** Joins: grady (~grady@replaced-ip )
1383 [09:57:13] *** Joins: Quatroking (~Quatrokin@replaced-ip )
1384 [09:57:20] <jmcnaught> mirazi_heket: here is /usr/bin/debconf-set-selections from my jessie system if you want to compare yours: replaced-url
1385 [09:57:24] <mirazi_heket> escape strings didnt helped
1386 [09:57:47] *** Joins: u0_a653 (~u0_a65@replaced-ip )
1387 [09:58:46] <babilen> What exactly did you do now?
1388 [09:59:52] *** Joins: andyreplaced-url
1389 [10:00:08] <mirazi_heket> babilen: replaced-url
1390 [10:00:59] *** Joins: lifeofguenter (~lifeofgue@replaced-ip )
1391 [10:01:04] <babilen> mirazi_heket: I was referring to the actual string (namely "shared/accepted-oracle-license-v1-1"). You might also have to escape / in there.
1392 [10:01:53] <mirazi_heket> i was using this as reference: replaced-url
1393 [10:01:57] *** Quits: Baudelaire (~Baudelair@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
1394 [10:02:01] *** debhelper sets mode: +l 1698
1395 [10:02:32] *** Joins: Baudelaire (~Baudelair@replaced-ip )
1396 [10:04:13] <mirazi_heket> specifically comment with 4 points
1397 [10:04:16] *** Quits: deaninous (~Guccifera@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)
1398 [10:04:21] <mirazi_heket> without "RUN" of course
1399 [10:04:24] *** Joins: Slashman (~Slash@replaced-ip )
1400 [10:04:43] <mirazi_heket> sorry, direct link now: replaced-url
1401 [10:04:53] *** Quits: multi_io (~olaf@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)
1402 [10:05:30] <Wegg> jmcnaught: Ubuntu installed and is running perfectly. Benchmarking now.
1403 [10:06:15] *** Joins: dionysus69 (~Thunderbi@replaced-ip )
1404 [10:06:15] <dionysus69> hello
1405 [10:06:29] *** Joins: multi_io (~olaf@replaced-ip )
1406 [10:06:30] *** Quits: AimHere (~David@replaced-ip ) (Quit: Leaving)
1407 [10:06:53] *** Joins: Gucciferal (~Guccifera@replaced-ip )
1408 [10:06:58] <dionysus69> I have cloned working debian installation to usb along with efi partition. but it doesn't boot, it is as if uefi bootloader doesnt even detect any efi partition on the usb, what am I missing?
1409 [10:07:01] <jmcnaught> Wegg: i don't know what kernel 17.04 has but it's probably newer than stretch. You should be able to run Debian on it with a newer kernel. If you don't feel up to the tasks i outlined above, you could try Debian again after stretch has been released and there are newer kernels in stretch-backports
1410 [10:07:54] <jmcnaught> mirazi_heket: did you check the contents of /usr/bin/debconf-set-selections?
1411 [10:07:55] <Wegg> yea might do jmcnaught.
1412 [10:07:58] <Wegg> thank you again.
1413 [10:08:01] <jmcnaught> cheers
1414 [10:08:13] *** Quits: lifeofguenter (~lifeofgue@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
1415 [10:09:43] *** Parts: M4GNV5 (~M4GNV5@replaced-ip )
1416 [10:10:06] *** Joins: lifeofguenter (~lifeofgue@replaced-ip )
1417 [10:10:46] *** Joins: sonto_lau (~00oo00@replaced-ip )
1418 [10:12:32] *** Quits: robert45- (~robert45@replaced-ip ) ()
1419 [10:13:37] *** Parts: sonto_lau (~00oo00@replaced-ip )
1420 [10:15:43] *** Guest62266 is now known as AciD`
1421 [10:15:57] *** Joins: Jonwel (~Jonwel@replaced-ip )
1422 [10:16:04] *** Joins: winem_ (~quassel@replaced-ip )
1423 [10:16:14] *** Joins: fcn (~fcn@replaced-ip )
1424 [10:17:10] *** Quits: overlord_tm (~andraz@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
1425 [10:17:23] *** Quits: Butt3rfly (~Butt3rfly@replaced-ip ) (Quit: ERROR 500 - Internal doofus detected)
1426 [10:17:52] *** Joins: bittin (~luna@replaced-ip )
1427 [10:18:20] *** Joins: Butt3rfly (~Butt3rfly@replaced-ip )
1428 [10:22:23] *** Joins: m8 (~m8@replaced-ip )
1429 [10:25:37] <mirazi_heket> jmcnaught: will do
1430 [10:27:59] *** Joins: betandr (~betandr@replaced-ip )
1431 [10:31:13] *** Joins: aivkiv (~aivkiv@replaced-ip )
1432 [10:32:00] *** debhelper sets mode: +l 1704
1433 [10:32:34] *** Joins: xon00z (~xon00z@replaced-ip )
1434 [10:32:36] <jmcnaught> the sha256sum of that file on my jessie system is 8085a988bb9850fd9a3405c8a1f8e643c197811f6edf53dfc5ad20ef85040224
1435 [10:33:06] *** Joins: betandr_ (~betandr@replaced-ip )
1436 [10:33:28] *** Joins: heurist_ (heurist@replaced-ip )
1437 [10:34:11] *** Quits: betandr (~betandr@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
1438 [10:34:20] *** Quits: heurist`_ (heurist@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
1439 [10:34:56] *** Quits: xon00z (~xon00z@replaced-ip ) (Client Quit)
1440 [10:35:03] *** Joins: armin (~armin@replaced-ip )
1441 [10:35:07] *** Quits: bittin (~luna@replaced-ip ) (Quit: leaving)
1442 [10:37:31] *** Joins: BigRedS (~avi@replaced-ip )
1443 [10:37:40] *** Joins: killian99 (~killian99@replaced-ip )
1444 [10:37:46] *** Quits: mel00010 (~mel00010@replaced-ip ) (Remote host closed the connection)
1445 [10:40:01] *** Joins: biberu (~biberu@replaced-ip )
1446 [10:40:35] *** Joins: moetunes (~Jean-luc@replaced-ip )
1447 [10:40:52] *** Quits: dionysus69 (~Thunderbi@replaced-ip ) (Quit: dionysus69)
1448 [10:41:16] *** Quits: sphenxes (~sphenxes@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
1449 [10:41:34] *** Joins: GDiaX (~gdiax@replaced-ip )
1450 [10:44:57] *** Quits: Butt3rfly (~Butt3rfly@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
1451 [10:45:01] *** trickster_ is now known as keitaro
1452 [10:45:02] *** Joins: TomyWork (~tomy@replaced-ip )
1453 [10:46:44] *** Joins: overlord_tm (~andraz@replaced-ip )
1454 [10:48:33] *** Joins: Hyp3ri0n (~OtakuSenp@replaced-ip )
1455 [10:48:35] *** Quits: Nnavd (~Nnavd@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
1456 [10:48:41] *** Joins: Butt3rfly (Butt3rfly@replaced-ip )
1457 [10:49:10] *** Quits: Hyp3ri0n (~OtakuSenp@replaced-ip ) (Max SendQ exceeded)
1458 [10:49:43] *** Quits: cnu- (~u@replaced-ip ) (Remote host closed the connection)
1459 [10:50:10] *** Joins: czesmir (~stefan@replaced-ip )
1460 [10:50:54] *** Quits: angor (~angor@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
1461 [10:51:23] *** Joins: Hyp3ri0n (~OtakuSenp@replaced-ip )
1462 [10:51:49] *** Joins: patterson_ (~patterson@replaced-ip )
1463 [10:51:49] *** Joins: Quatroking_ (~Quatrokin@replaced-ip )
1464 [10:51:56] *** Quits: e_xistense (~e_xistens@replaced-ip ) (Disconnected by services)
1465 [10:51:57] *** Joins: Arimil (~Renari@replaced-ip )
1466 [10:52:01] *** Joins: xistens3 (~e_xistens@replaced-ip )
1467 [10:52:10] *** Joins: BlueByte_ (~walther@replaced-ip )
1468 [10:52:18] *** Joins: replaced-url
1469 [10:52:32] *** Joins: t3tsu0 (~t3tsu0@replaced-ip )
1470 [10:52:36] *** Joins: Ekchuan_ (~RandyMars@replaced-ip )
1471 [10:52:39] *** Joins: CutMeOwnThroat (~iridos@replaced-ip )
1472 [10:53:08] *** Joins: r0Oter (~r00ter@replaced-ip )
1473 [10:53:12] *** Quits: r00ter (~r00ter@replaced-ip ) (Disconnected by services)
1474 [10:53:17] *** Joins: tatalazo1 (~Thunderbi@replaced-ip )
1475 [10:53:23] *** Joins: ventura (~ventura@replaced-ip )
1476 [10:53:25] *** Joins: Speed2u_ (~speed2u@replaced-ip )
1477 [10:53:25] *** Joins: disposable3 (~Thunderbi@replaced-ip )
1478 [10:53:33] *** Quits: safe (~safe@replaced-ip ) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
1479 [10:53:50] *** Joins: Madda (~Madda@replaced-ip )
1480 [10:54:49] *** Quits: clopez (~tau@replaced-ip ) (Disconnected by services)
1481 [10:54:54] *** Joins: clopez_ (~tau@replaced-ip )
1482 [10:57:07] *** Quits: SpaceAce (~SpaceAce@replaced-ip ) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
1483 [10:57:12] *** Joins: cnu- (~u@replaced-ip )
1484 [11:01:03] *** Quits: overlord_tm (~andraz@replaced-ip ) (*.net *.split)
1485 [11:01:03] *** Quits: BigRedS (~avi@replaced-ip ) (*.net *.split)
1486 [11:01:03] *** Quits: Quatroking (~Quatrokin@replaced-ip ) (*.net *.split)
1487 [11:01:03] *** Quits: TrueDD (~truedd@replaced-ip ) (*.net *.split)
1488 [11:01:03] *** Quits: ToBeCloud (uid51591@replaced-ip ) (*.net *.split)
1489 [11:01:03] *** Quits: adapter_ (~adapter@replaced-ip ) (*.net *.split)
1490 [11:01:03] *** Quits: Vizva (~max@replaced-ip ) (*.net *.split)
1491 [11:01:03] *** Quits: patterson (~patterson@replaced-ip ) (*.net *.split)
1492 [11:01:03] *** Quits: morphis_ (~morphis@replaced-ip ) (*.net *.split)
1493 [11:01:03] *** Quits: johefernan (~joheferna@replaced-ip ) (*.net *.split)
1494 [11:01:04] *** Quits: pvoigt (~Linux@replaced-ip ) (*.net *.split)
1495 [11:01:04] *** Quits: kever (~quassel@replaced-ip ) (*.net *.split)
1496 [11:01:04] *** Quits: ryouma (~user@replaced-ip ) (*.net *.split)
1497 [11:01:04] *** Quits: x4n4 (~x4n4@replaced-ip ) (*.net *.split)
1498 [11:01:04] *** Quits: tobiw (~tobiw@replaced-ip ) (*.net *.split)
1499 [11:01:04] *** Quits: replaced-url
1500 [11:01:04] *** Quits: t3tsu0_ (~t3tsu0@replaced-ip ) (*.net *.split)
1501 [11:01:04] *** Quits: Wizek_ (~Wizek@replaced-ip ) (*.net *.split)
1502 [11:01:04] *** Quits: Dreamix (~x@replaced-ip ) (*.net *.split)
1503 [11:01:04] *** Quits: Karazhan (~nobody@replaced-ip ) (*.net *.split)
1504 [11:01:04] *** Quits: keitaro (Elite19719@replaced-ip ) (*.net *.split)
1505 [11:01:04] *** Quits: Wegg (~weggingt@replaced-ip ) (*.net *.split)
1506 [11:01:04] *** Quits: djakov (~djakov@replaced-ip ) (*.net *.split)
1507 [11:01:04] *** Quits: disposable2 (~Thunderbi@replaced-ip ) (*.net *.split)
1508 [11:01:04] *** Quits: Guest88006 (jerry@replaced-ip ) (*.net *.split)
1509 [11:01:04] *** Quits: elkmoose (~jesus@replaced-ip ) (*.net *.split)
1510 [11:01:04] *** Quits: Digz (~digz@replaced-ip ) (*.net *.split)
1511 [11:01:04] *** Quits: epilys (~sycaFreen@replaced-ip ) (*.net *.split)
1512 [11:01:04] *** Quits: DarkG (~Tony@replaced-ip ) (*.net *.split)
1513 [11:01:04] *** Quits: RaiNerTsuFal (~RaiNerTsu@replaced-ip ) (*.net *.split)
1514 [11:01:04] *** Quits: tatalazo (~Thunderbi@replaced-ip ) (*.net *.split)
1515 [11:01:04] *** Quits: Ekchuan (~RandyMars@replaced-ip ) (*.net *.split)
1516 [11:01:04] *** Quits: GJdan (~dan@replaced-ip ) (*.net *.split)
1517 [11:01:04] *** Quits: rxc (~rxc@replaced-ip ) (*.net *.split)
1518 [11:01:04] *** Quits: spacebison (~bison@replaced-ip ) (*.net *.split)
1519 [11:01:04] *** Quits: DrOwl (~drowl@replaced-ip ) (*.net *.split)
1520 [11:01:04] *** Quits: itsiam_ (~unknown@replaced-ip ) (*.net *.split)
1521 [11:01:04] *** Quits: raidghost (raidghost@replaced-ip ) (*.net *.split)
1522 [11:01:04] *** Quits: k^ (k@replaced-ip ) (*.net *.split)
1523 [11:01:04] *** Quits: LostSoul (~LostSoul@replaced-ip ) (*.net *.split)
1524 [11:01:04] *** Quits: alxd (~alxd@replaced-ip ) (*.net *.split)
1525 [11:01:04] *** Quits: webuser5224 (~webuser52@replaced-ip ) (*.net *.split)
1526 [11:01:04] *** Quits: arha (~temp@replaced-ip ) (*.net *.split)
1527 [11:01:04] *** Quits: Colti (Miramar-FL@replaced-ip ) (*.net *.split)
1528 [11:01:04] *** Quits: tomocha________ (tomocha@replaced-ip ) (*.net *.split)
1529 [11:01:04] *** Quits: Skaag (sid164385@replaced-ip ) (*.net *.split)
1530 [11:01:04] *** Quits: paradizelost (sid23952@replaced-ip ) (*.net *.split)
1531 [11:01:04] *** Quits: elky (~elky@replaced-ip ) (*.net *.split)
1532 [11:01:04] *** Quits: vntraONE (~ventura@replaced-ip ) (*.net *.split)
1533 [11:01:04] *** Quits: mpmc (~mpmc@replaced-ip ) (*.net *.split)
1534 [11:01:04] *** Quits: vutral (vutral@replaced-ip ) (*.net *.split)
1535 [11:01:04] *** Quits: bemawi (~bemawi@replaced-ip ) (*.net *.split)
1536 [11:01:04] *** Quits: ptx0 (~cheesus_c@replaced-ip ) (*.net *.split)
1537 [11:01:04] *** Quits: stmiller (~stmiller@replaced-ip ) (*.net *.split)
1538 [11:01:05] *** Quits: ballessay (~ballessay@replaced-ip ) (*.net *.split)
1539 [11:01:05] *** Quits: Orochimarufan (znc@replaced-ip ) (*.net *.split)
1540 [11:01:05] *** Quits: bfit (~bfit@replaced-ip ) (*.net *.split)
1541 [11:01:05] *** Quits: kolla (~kolla@replaced-ip ) (*.net *.split)
1542 [11:01:05] *** Quits: pelegreno___ (~cinch@replaced-ip ) (*.net *.split)
1543 [11:01:05] *** Quits: Jikan (~Jikan@replaced-ip ) (*.net *.split)
1544 [11:01:05] *** Quits: austin987 (~null@replaced-ip ) (*.net *.split)
1545 [11:01:05] *** Quits: Mariio1692_ (~Scripting@replaced-ip ) (*.net *.split)
1546 [11:01:05] *** Quits: Gm4n (~Gm4n@replaced-ip ) (*.net *.split)
1547 [11:01:05] *** Quits: Nemaster (~Nemaster@replaced-ip ) (*.net *.split)
1548 [11:01:05] *** Quits: q6AA4FD (~quinn@replaced-ip ) (*.net *.split)
1549 [11:01:05] *** Quits: MrHyde (~MrHyde@replaced-ip ) (*.net *.split)
1550 [11:01:05] *** Quits: Iridos (~iridos@replaced-ip ) (*.net *.split)
1551 [11:01:05] *** Quits: J-BBB (~J-BBB@replaced-ip ) (*.net *.split)
1552 [11:01:05] *** Quits: Almtesh (~Almtesh@replaced-ip ) (*.net *.split)
1553 [11:01:05] *** Quits: brabo (~brabo@replaced-ip ) (*.net *.split)
1554 [11:01:05] *** Quits: ericnoan (~en@replaced-ip ) (*.net *.split)
1555 [11:01:05] *** Quits: gwaaf (gwaafmatri@replaced-ip ) (*.net *.split)
1556 [11:01:05] *** Quits: kayamm (~km@replaced-ip ) (*.net *.split)
1557 [11:01:05] *** Quits: Peterzen (~Peterzen@replaced-ip ) (*.net *.split)
1558 [11:01:05] *** Quits: osx (osx@replaced-ip ) (*.net *.split)
1559 [11:01:05] *** Quits: robmozart (sid12935@replaced-ip ) (*.net *.split)
1560 [11:01:05] *** Quits: BlueByte (~walther@replaced-ip ) (*.net *.split)
1561 [11:01:05] *** Quits: dxrt (~dxrt@replaced-ip ) (*.net *.split)
1562 [11:01:05] *** Quits: flyingkiwi (~kiwi@replaced-ip ) (*.net *.split)
1563 [11:01:05] *** Quits: gardar (~gardar@replaced-ip ) (*.net *.split)
1564 [11:01:05] *** Quits: Artox (~Artox@replaced-ip ) (*.net *.split)
1565 [11:01:05] *** Quits: Logg (~Logg@replaced-ip ) (*.net *.split)
1566 [11:01:05] *** Quits: TReK (~UnFaQ@replaced-ip ) (*.net *.split)
1567 [11:01:05] *** Quits: larjona (~quassel@replaced-ip ) (*.net *.split)
1568 [11:01:05] *** Quits: noxs (~noxs@replaced-ip ) (*.net *.split)
1569 [11:01:05] *** Quits: RUDE (Elite19330@replaced-ip ) (*.net *.split)
1570 [11:01:05] *** Quits: Speed2u (~speed2u@replaced-ip ) (*.net *.split)
1571 [11:01:05] *** Quits: syssi_ (~syssi@replaced-ip ) (*.net *.split)
1572 [11:01:05] *** Quits: acs___ (Elite19446@replaced-ip ) (*.net *.split)
1573 [11:01:05] *** Quits: Bl4ckC0r3 (Elite19257@replaced-ip ) (*.net *.split)
1574 [11:01:05] *** Quits: Eryn_1983_FL (~Eryn_1983@replaced-ip ) (*.net *.split)
1575 [11:01:05] *** Quits: James_T (james@replaced-ip ) (*.net *.split)
1576 [11:01:05] *** Quits: redshadowhero (~king@replaced-ip ) (*.net *.split)
1577 [11:01:05] *** Quits: devurandom (~quassel@replaced-ip ) (*.net *.split)
1578 [11:01:06] *** Quits: Renari (~Renari@replaced-ip ) (*.net *.split)
1579 [11:01:06] *** Quits: LeandroLuiz (~clkalw@replaced-ip ) (*.net *.split)
1580 [11:01:06] *** Quits: VampiricPadraig (~quassel@replaced-ip ) (*.net *.split)
1581 [11:01:06] *** Quits: Hoolootwo (~Hoolootwo@replaced-ip ) (*.net *.split)
1582 [11:01:06] *** Quits: robin_debspace (~robin_deb@replaced-ip ) (*.net *.split)
1583 [11:01:06] *** Quits: soahccc (~soahccc@replaced-ip ) (*.net *.split)
1584 [11:01:06] *** Quits: SpaceKoo- (~SpaceKook@replaced-ip ) (*.net *.split)
1585 [11:01:06] *** Quits: Chex (~Chex@replaced-ip ) (*.net *.split)
1586 [11:01:06] *** Quits: spinza (~spin@replaced-ip ) (*.net *.split)
1587 [11:01:06] *** Quits: NightKhaos (~NK@replaced-ip ) (*.net *.split)
1588 [11:01:06] *** Quits: sidv (sidv@replaced-ip ) (*.net *.split)
1589 [11:01:06] *** Quits: Vorpal (~Vorpal@replaced-ip ) (*.net *.split)
1590 [11:01:06] *** Quits: Neo (~neo@replaced-ip ) (*.net *.split)
1591 [11:01:06] *** Quits: Janhouse (~Janhouse@replaced-ip ) (*.net *.split)
1592 [11:01:06] *** Quits: dustinm` (~dustinm@replaced-ip ) (*.net *.split)
1593 [11:01:06] *** Quits: Voldenet (~Voldenet@replaced-ip ) (*.net *.split)
1594 [11:01:06] *** Quits: _aeris_ (~aeris@replaced-ip ) (*.net *.split)
1595 [11:01:06] *** Quits: guampa (~guampa@replaced-ip ) (*.net *.split)
1596 [11:01:06] *** Quits: xSmurf (~MrSmurf@replaced-ip ) (*.net *.split)
1597 [11:01:06] *** Quits: gvvg (sid188075@replaced-ip ) (*.net *.split)
1598 [11:01:06] *** Quits: firef1y (~firef1y@replaced-ip ) (*.net *.split)
1599 [11:01:06] *** Quits: gluon (~gluon@replaced-ip ) (*.net *.split)
1600 [11:01:06] *** Quits: futex (~quassel@replaced-ip ) (*.net *.split)
1601 [11:01:06] *** Quits: yokel (~yokel@replaced-ip ) (*.net *.split)
1602 [11:01:06] *** Quits: flokli (~flokli@replaced-ip ) (*.net *.split)
1603 [11:01:06] *** Quits: tabakhase (tabakhase@replaced-ip ) (*.net *.split)
1604 [11:01:06] *** Quits: serban (serban@replaced-ip ) (*.net *.split)
1605 [11:01:06] *** Quits: cateye (~cateye@replaced-ip ) (*.net *.split)
1606 [11:01:06] *** tatalazo1 is now known as tatalazo
1607 [11:01:07] *** Joins: SpaceKookie (~SpaceKook@replaced-ip )
1608 [11:01:07] *** disposable3 is now known as disposable2
1609 [11:01:07] *** Joins: rxc_ (~rxc@replaced-ip )
1610 [11:01:07] *** Joins: acs___ (Elite19446@replaced-ip )
1611 [11:01:08] *** Joins: k4y4mm (~km@replaced-ip )
1612 [11:01:08] *** Joins: Hooloo42 (~Hoolootwo@replaced-ip )
1613 [11:01:08] *** Joins: Vorpal_ (~Vorpal@replaced-ip )
1614 [11:01:08] *** Joins: sidv_ (sidv@replaced-ip )
1615 [11:01:08] *** Joins: Jikai (~Jikan@replaced-ip )
1616 [11:01:09] *** Joins: Cerise (jerry@replaced-ip )
1617 [11:01:11] *** Joins: flyingkiwi_ (~kiwi@replaced-ip )
1618 [11:01:12] *** Joins: robin_debspace_ (~robin_deb@replaced-ip )
1619 [11:01:12] *** Joins: TonyL (~Tony@replaced-ip )
1620 [11:01:13] *** Joins: Artox (~Artox@replaced-ip )
1621 [11:01:13] *** Joins: Mariio1692 (~Scripting@replaced-ip )
1622 [11:01:13] *** Joins: mpmc_znc (~mpmc@replaced-ip )
1623 [11:01:13] *** Quits: andyreplaced-url
1624 [11:01:16] *** Joins: webuser5- (~webuser52@replaced-ip )
1625 [11:01:16] *** Joins: klcwl (~clkalw@replaced-ip )
1626 [11:01:17] *** Joins: ericnoan_ (~en@replaced-ip )
1627 [11:01:18] *** Joins: quinn_ (~quinn@replaced-ip )
1628 [11:01:18] *** Joins: Colty (Miramar-FL@replaced-ip )
1629 [11:01:19] *** Joins: Digz (~digz@replaced-ip )
1630 [11:01:19] *** Joins: kolla_ (~kolla@replaced-ip )
1631 [11:01:19] *** Joins: Orochimarufan (~taeyeon@replaced-ip )
1632 [11:01:20] *** Joins: epilys (~sycaFreen@replaced-ip )
1633 [11:01:21] *** Joins: soahccc_ (~soahccc@replaced-ip )
1634 [11:01:21] *** Joins: Almtesh_veut_son (~Almtesh@replaced-ip )
1635 [11:01:22] *** Joins: Bl4ckC0r3 (Elite19257@replaced-ip )
1636 [11:01:24] *** Joins: guampa_ (~guampa@replaced-ip )
1637 [11:01:24] *** Joins: osx- (osx@replaced-ip )
1638 [11:01:24] *** Joins: Voldenet_ (~Voldenet@replaced-ip )
1639 [11:01:25] *** Joins: Peterzen_ (~Peterzen@replaced-ip )
1640 [11:01:25] *** guampa_ is now known as guampa
1641 [11:01:26] *** Joins: _aeris_ (~aeris@replaced-ip )
1642 [11:01:27] *** Joins: gluon_ (~gluon@replaced-ip )
1643 [11:01:30] *** Joins: Gm4n_ (~Gm4n@replaced-ip )
1644 [11:01:30] *** Joins: vutral_ (vutral@replaced-ip )
1645 [11:01:32] *** Joins: Janhouse (~Janhouse@replaced-ip )
1646 [11:01:32] *** Joins: dxrt_ (~dxrt@replaced-ip )
1647 [11:01:33] *** Joins: RUDE- (Elite19330@replaced-ip )
1648 [11:01:35] *** Bl4ckC0r3 is now known as Guest75559
1649 [11:01:37] *** Joins: tabakhase__ (tabakhase@replaced-ip )
1650 [11:01:44] *** Joins: gardar- (~gardar@replaced-ip )
1651 [11:01:50] *** Joins: pelegreno____ (~cinch@replaced-ip )
1652 [11:02:00] *** debhelper sets mode: +l 1748
1653 [11:02:08] *** Joins: Karazhan (~nobody@replaced-ip )
1654 [11:02:14] *** Joins: johefernan (~joheferna@replaced-ip )
1655 [11:02:16] *** Quits: Lowl3v3l (~lowl3v3l@replaced-ip ) (Remote host closed the connection)
1656 [11:02:23] *** Joins: xSmurf (~MrSmurf@replaced-ip )
1657 [11:02:30] *** Joins: NightKhaos (~NK@replaced-ip )
1658 [11:02:35] *** Joins: J-BBB (~J-BBB@replaced-ip )
1659 [11:02:55] *** Joins: James_T (james@replaced-ip )
1660 [11:03:14] *** Joins: alxd (~alxd@replaced-ip )
1661 [11:03:24] *** Quits: chachasmooth (~chachasmo@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
1662 [11:03:28] *** Joins: lg188 (~lg188@replaced-ip )
1663 [11:03:38] *** Quits: aaro (~aaro@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
1664 [11:03:38] *** Quits: toozej (~toozej@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
1665 [11:03:38] *** Quits: egos (~egos@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
1666 [11:03:41] *** Quits: conta (~Thunderbi@replaced-ip ) (Remote host closed the connection)
1667 [11:03:54] *** Quits: j3roen (~j3roen@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
1668 [11:03:57] *** Joins: conta (~Thunderbi@replaced-ip )
1669 [11:04:07] *** Joins: opencw (~opencw@replaced-ip )
1670 [11:04:13] *** Quits: refresher (~refresher@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
1671 [11:04:13] *** Quits: hexnewbie (~hexnewbie@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
1672 [11:04:34] <lg188> Hi, I'm having a problem with automatically starting openvpn clients. I changed the `AUTOSTART="all"` line /etc/default/openvpn but it still just exists after launch
1673 [11:04:38] *** Joins: dionysus69 (~Thunderbi@replaced-ip )
1674 [11:04:46] *** Quits: moetunes (~Jean-luc@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
1675 [11:04:48] *** Quits: qtch (~qtch@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
1676 [11:05:11] *** Joins: egos (~egos@replaced-ip )
1677 [11:05:16] *** Quits: mirazi_heket (~michalp@replaced-ip ) (Remote host closed the connection)
1678 [11:05:31] *** Joins: l3archos (~Icedove@replaced-ip )
1679 [11:05:35] *** Quits: Hyp3ri0n (~OtakuSenp@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
1680 [11:05:55] *** Voldenet_ is now known as Voldenet
1681 [11:05:55] *** Quits: Voldenet (~Voldenet@replaced-ip ) (Changing host)
1682 [11:05:55] *** Joins: Voldenet (~Voldenet@replaced-ip )
1683 [11:06:06] *** Joins: aaro (~aaro@replaced-ip )
1684 [11:06:26] *** Joins: j3roen (~j3roen@replaced-ip )
1685 [11:06:26] *** Joins: chachasmooth (~chachasmo@replaced-ip )
1686 [11:06:33] *** Joins: refresher (~refresher@replaced-ip )
1687 [11:07:00] *** Joins: Keitaro (Trickster@replaced-ip )
1688 [11:07:00] *** Joins: Wizek_ (~Wizek@replaced-ip )
1689 [11:07:01] *** Joins: qtch (~qtch@replaced-ip )
1690 [11:07:07] *** Joins: toozej (~toozej@replaced-ip )
1691 [11:07:08] *** Quits: birkoff (~lksdjf@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
1692 [11:07:08] *** Joins: elky (~elky@replaced-ip )
1693 [11:07:11] *** Joins: GJdan (~dan@replaced-ip )
1694 [11:07:20] *** Joins: tobiw (~tobiw@replaced-ip )
1695 [11:07:24] *** Joins: spacebison (~bison@replaced-ip )
1696 [11:07:31] *** Joins: Vizva (~max@replaced-ip )
1697 [11:07:32] *** Joins: birk (~lksdjf@replaced-ip )
1698 [11:07:39] *** Joins: TrueDD (~truedd@replaced-ip )
1699 [11:07:40] *** Joins: x4n4 (~x4n4@replaced-ip )
1700 [11:07:45] *** Joins: overlord_tm (~andraz@replaced-ip )
1701 [11:08:11] *** Joins: morphis_ (~morphis@replaced-ip )
1702 [11:08:11] *** Joins: pvoigt (~Linux@replaced-ip )
1703 [11:08:23] *** Joins: gwaaf (gwaafmatri@replaced-ip )
1704 [11:08:23] *** Quits: overlord_tm (~andraz@replaced-ip ) (Max SendQ exceeded)
1705 [11:08:28] *** Joins: flokli (~flokli@replaced-ip )
1706 [11:08:39] *** Joins: austin987 (~null@replaced-ip )
1707 [11:08:49] *** Joins: Eryn_1983_FL (~Eryn_1983@replaced-ip )
1708 [11:08:50] *** Joins: Logg (~Logg@replaced-ip )
1709 [11:08:55] *** Joins: BigRedS (~avi@replaced-ip )
1710 [11:08:56] *** Joins: redshadowhero (~king@replaced-ip )
1711 [11:09:06] *** Joins: overlord_tm (~andraz@replaced-ip )
1712 [11:09:20] *** Joins: Hyp3ri0n (~OtakuSenp@replaced-ip )
1713 [11:09:38] *** Quits: Vizva (~max@replaced-ip ) (Remote host closed the connection)
1714 [11:09:52] *** mpmc_znc is now known as mpmc
1715 [11:10:19] *** Quits: mpmc (~mpmc@replaced-ip##) (Quit: ZNC 1.6.3+deb1+jessie0 - ##replaced-url
1716 [11:10:21] *** Joins: hexnewbie (~hexnewbie@replaced-ip )
1717 [11:10:22] *** Joins: yokel_ (~yokel@replaced-ip )
1718 [11:10:39] *** Joins: mpmc (~mpmc@replaced-ip )
1719 [11:10:44] *** yokel_ is now known as yokel
1720 [11:11:01] *** Joins: spinza (~spin@replaced-ip )
1721 [11:12:17] *** Joins: novoPOLO (~alex@replaced-ip )
1722 [11:12:23] *** Quits: Puggy (~FASDFSF@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
1723 [11:13:05] *** Joins: KidBeta (~textual@replaced-ip )
1724 [11:13:42] *** Joins: jackNemrod_ (~Thunderbi@replaced-ip )
1725 [11:14:43] *** Quits: jackNemrod (~Thunderbi@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
1726 [11:14:43] *** jackNemrod_ is now known as jackNemrod
1727 [11:17:10] *** Joins: oish (~charlie@replaced-ip )
1728 [11:19:52] *** Joins: bariscant (~bariscant@replaced-ip )
1729 [11:19:53] *** Quits: bariscant (~bariscant@replaced-ip ) (Max SendQ exceeded)
1730 [11:19:53] *** Quits: dionysus69 (~Thunderbi@replaced-ip ) (Quit: dionysus69)
1731 [11:20:22] *** Joins: bariscant (~bariscant@replaced-ip )
1732 [11:20:33] *** Quits: JesseWalling (~jpwall@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
1733 [11:20:45] *** Quits: bariscant (~bariscant@replaced-ip ) (Max SendQ exceeded)
1734 [11:21:17] *** Joins: bariscant (~bariscant@replaced-ip )
1735 [11:21:21] *** Quits: bzyku (~bzyk@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)
1736 [11:21:37] *** Quits: bariscant (~bariscant@replaced-ip ) (Max SendQ exceeded)
1737 [11:22:00] *** debhelper sets mode: +l 1664
1738 [11:22:02] *** Quits: antoine (~quassel@replaced-ip ) (Remote host closed the connection)
1739 [11:22:24] *** Joins: bariscant (~bariscant@replaced-ip )
1740 [11:22:24] *** Quits: bariscant (~bariscant@replaced-ip ) (Client Quit)
1741 [11:23:19] *** Quits: masber (~masber@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
1742 [11:23:32] <lg188> I've just checked up on the wiki page and it's been since 2012 since this method has been added.... Seems really out of date
1743 [11:24:12] *** Joins: AlexPortable (uid7568@replaced-ip )
1744 [11:24:25] *** Quits: frostschutz (~frostschu@replaced-ip ) (Remote host closed the connection)
1745 [11:24:48] *** Joins: soee (~soee@replaced-ip )
1746 [11:25:01] *** Quits: Cabanossi (~Cabanossi@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
1747 [11:26:02] <jmcnaught> lg188: put an openvpn conf file (eg foo.conf) in /etc/openvpn, then use "systemctl enable openvpn@foo"
1748 [11:26:11] *** Joins: Cabanossi (~Cabanossi@replaced-ip )
1749 [11:27:09] <petn-randall> lg188: the openvpn.service exits normally, AFAIR. you'll have a openvpn@<name>.service for each config file.
1750 [11:27:14] *** Joins: test_ (~test@replaced-ip )
1751 [11:28:28] *** Joins: JesseWalling (~jpwall@replaced-ip )
1752 [11:29:15] *** Quits: test_ (~test@replaced-ip ) (Client Quit)
1753 [11:30:42] *** Joins: gry (~svetlana@replaced-ip )
1754 [11:31:35] *** Joins: cdown (~cdown@replaced-ip )
1755 [11:31:42] *** Joins: dionysus69 (~Thunderbi@replaced-ip )
1756 [11:32:27] *** Joins: frostschutz (~frostschu@replaced-ip )
1757 [11:33:05] *** Quits: tabakhase__ (tabakhase@replaced-ip ) (Changing host)
1758 [11:33:05] *** Joins: tabakhase__ (tabakhase@replaced-ip )
1759 [11:33:12] *** tabakhase__ is now known as tabakhase
1760 [11:33:40] *** Joins: cdown_ (~cdown@replaced-ip )
1761 [11:34:33] *** Quits: patterson_ (~patterson@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
1762 [11:34:43] *** Joins: fallentree (~fallentre@replaced-ip )
1763 [11:34:56] *** Quits: kyan (~kyan@replaced-ip ) (Remote host closed the connection)
1764 [11:35:08] *** Joins: Artern (~artern@replaced-ip )
1765 [11:35:55] *** Quits: cdown (~cdown@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
1766 [11:35:55] *** cdown_ is now known as cdown
1767 [11:36:21] *** Quits: l3archos (~Icedove@replaced-ip ) (Quit: l3archos)
1768 [11:36:24] *** Joins: bzyku (~bzyk@replaced-ip )
1769 [11:36:58] *** SugoiBeans is now known as suggybuggy
1770 [11:37:06] <lg188> jmcnaught, petn-randall: apparently the .conf part is important here
1771 [11:37:14] <lg188> i used ovpn
1772 [11:37:19] *** Joins: rgr (~rgr@replaced-ip )
1773 [11:37:35] *** Quits: soee (~soee@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
1774 [11:37:38] *** suggybuggy is now known as SugoiBeans
1775 [11:37:57] *** Quits: Eryn_1983_FL (~Eryn_1983@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
1776 [11:38:30] <jmcnaught> lg188: yeah look at /lib/systemd/system/openvpn@.service to see what it's doing, look for the %i
1777 [11:38:40] *** Joins: Lynk (2e3bd657@replaced-ip )
1778 [11:38:48] *** flyingkiwi_ is now known as flyingkiwi
1779 [11:39:39] *** Quits: abu0 (~abu0@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
1780 [11:40:14] *** Joins: soee (~soee@replaced-ip )
1781 [11:40:21] *** Quits: soee (~soee@replaced-ip ) (Remote host closed the connection)
1782 [11:41:33] *** Joins: l3archos (~Icedove@replaced-ip )
1783 [11:41:44] *** Quits: Waggie (~Waggie@replaced-ip ) (Max SendQ exceeded)
1784 [11:41:55] *** Joins: kms_ (~kms@replaced-ip )
1785 [11:41:57] *** Quits: Gucciferal (~Guccifera@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
1786 [11:42:02] *** Joins: redeemed (~rd@replaced-ip )
1787 [11:42:04] <kms_> debian 8.8
1788 [11:42:16] <kms_> i cant play h264 on totem
1789 [11:42:24] *** Joins: soee (~soee@replaced-ip )
1790 [11:42:31] <kms_> in vlc is ok
1791 [11:42:44] *** Joins: p3rs3us (~jduro@replaced-ip )
1792 [11:43:18] *** Quits: Selveste1_ (~hds@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
1793 [11:43:25] *** Joins: KlausedSource (~KlausedSo@replaced-ip )
1794 [11:44:48] <coke> use vlc then?
1795 [11:44:49] *** Quits: nighty-- (~nighty@replaced-ip ) (Quit: Disappears in a puff of smoke)
1796 [11:45:01] <armin> can i easily temporarily disable swap-space on a machine? i know i can do "swapoff -a", but how would i find out how to properly re-enable that on any machine?
1797 [11:45:05] *** Joins: bemawi (~bemawi@replaced-ip )
1798 [11:45:44] <kms_> i want totem
1799 [11:45:56] <kms_> in ubuntu totem is ok
1800 [11:46:28] <colo-work> armin, swapon -a (will rely on /etc/fstab)
1801 [11:46:49] <colo-work> you can also set vm.swappiness to 0 temporarily
1802 [11:46:56] <colo-work> that should prevent (new) pageouts
1803 [11:47:12] <armin> colo-work: perfect, thank you.
1804 [11:47:27] <celyr> mhhhh
1805 [11:47:34] <celyr> it's not super clear to me how to use deb.debian.org
1806 [11:47:36] <celyr> with stretch
1807 [11:48:04] <celyr> deb replaced-url
1808 [11:48:07] <celyr> is this sufficient ?
1809 [11:49:40] *** Quits: INIM (~pi@replaced-ip ) (Remote host closed the connection)
1810 [11:52:00] <babilen> celyr: deb replaced-url
1811 [11:52:11] <babilen> (install apt-transport-https for that or use replaced-url
1812 [11:52:15] *** Joins: djakov (~djakov@replaced-ip )
1813 [11:52:35] *** Joins: Eryn_1983_FL (~Eryn_1983@replaced-ip )
1814 [11:52:53] <babilen> But yeah, "deb replaced-url
1815 [11:53:00] *** Joins: Frank___ (2ec9a33e@replaced-ip )
1816 [11:53:19] <Frank___> Hello can I ask a mathematical question in this irc :)?
1817 [11:53:47] *** Joins: ralinux (~ralinux@replaced-ip )
1818 [11:53:50] <celyr> babilen, mmm thanks it did work
1819 [11:53:53] <gry> yes, in ##math or #debian-offtopic
1820 [11:54:08] <babilen> ##maths surely ;)
1821 [11:54:14] <gry> unless it is debian related, then ask here
1822 [11:54:38] *** Joins: Waggie (~Waggie@replaced-ip )
1823 [11:54:39] <celyr> channel is ##math
1824 [11:54:44] *** Quits: jgoohu (~Mutter@replaced-ip##) (Quit: Mutter: ##replaced-url
1825 [11:55:05] <babilen> Yes, that is a better channel than #debian
1826 [11:55:11] *** Joins: gudbes (~gudbes@replaced-ip )
1827 [11:55:17] <gry> hey this chan is best on planet
1828 [11:55:38] <celyr> funny think if you query alis for math aromatherapy is the second result
1829 [11:55:42] <celyr> thing*
1830 [11:56:02] *** Joins: dgriffi (~dave@replaced-ip )
1831 [11:56:11] <dgriffi> does anyone here use Simon Listens?
1832 [11:57:35] *** Joins: deaninous (~Guccifera@replaced-ip )
1833 [11:58:05] *** Quits: Jonwel (~Jonwel@replaced-ip ) (Quit: Leaving)
1834 [11:58:35] *** Joins: Brigo (~Brigo@replaced-ip )
1835 [12:00:45] <Frank___> they don't want to spoonfeed me :(
1836 [12:01:02] <gry> then feed yourself
1837 [12:01:16] *** Quits: fr0tzed (~fr0tzed@replaced-ip ) (Quit: Leaving)
1838 [12:01:23] <Frank___> i prefer to go lazy on a sunday
1839 [12:02:00] *** debhelper sets mode: +l 1675
1840 [12:02:41] *** Joins: jackNemrod_ (~Thunderbi@replaced-ip )
1841 [12:04:08] *** Quits: jackNemrod (~Thunderbi@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)
1842 [12:04:08] *** jackNemrod_ is now known as jackNemrod
1843 [12:05:20] *** Joins: j08nY (~j08nY@replaced-ip )
1844 [12:07:13] *** Quits: Brigo (~Brigo@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
1845 [12:08:33] *** Quits: KidBeta (~textual@replaced-ip ) (Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…)
1846 [12:09:37] *** Quits: kms_ (~kms@replaced-ip ) (Quit: Leaving)
1847 [12:10:47] *** Joins: replaced-url
1848 [12:11:15] *** Quits: rgr (~rgr@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
1849 [12:11:53] *** Parts: Frank___ (2ec9a33e@replaced-ip )
1850 [12:12:28] *** Joins: LordCow (~lordcow@replaced-ip )
1851 [12:13:38] *** Quits: replaced-url
1852 [12:16:18] <Lynk> Does Debian support Kernel Livepatching?
1853 [12:16:59] *** Quits: tatalazo (~Thunderbi@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
1854 [12:18:20] *** Joins: WoodLeg (~WoodLeg@replaced-ip )
1855 [12:19:28] *** Quits: dionysus69 (~Thunderbi@replaced-ip ) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
1856 [12:20:38] *** Quits: Zardoz (~Zardoz@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
1857 [12:22:21] *** Joins: SpaceAce (~SpaceAce@replaced-ip )
1858 [12:22:23] <rudi_s> No.
1859 [12:22:24] *** Quits: WoodLeg (~WoodLeg@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
1860 [12:22:35] <gry> why not?
1861 [12:23:34] *** Joins: J-BBB_ (~jasir@replaced-ip )
1862 [12:24:17] <Lynk> But KLP becomes more and more important wih more and more clouds etc
1863 [12:24:17] <Lynk> :(
1864 [12:24:39] *** Joins: OS-chec1 (~OS-chec@replaced-ip )
1865 [12:25:35] *** Joins: abu0 (~abu0@replaced-ip )
1866 [12:25:43] <coke> cause it matters that you dont reboot one of 1mil nodes?
1867 [12:25:43] *** Joins: Zardoz (~Zardoz@replaced-ip )
1868 [12:26:10] <gry> lynk clouds do not exist. it's a fuzzy word. use something else
1869 [12:26:17] *** Joins: erabti___ (~erabti@replaced-ip )
1870 [12:26:22] <Lynk> coke: If one node gets a kernel update why should others not get the update?
1871 [12:26:38] <LordCow> you can reboot them in stages
1872 [12:26:40] *** Joins: jcnouveau (~jcnouveau@replaced-ip )
1873 [12:27:04] <Lynk> Yes, but I prevent reboots and shutsdown at any time if it's possible
1874 [12:27:13] <Lynk> *shutdowns
1875 [12:27:29] <LordCow> but if it cloudy you can migrate around the shutdowns
1876 [12:27:29] <coke> as part of the daily auto deploy of your industry disrupting software ;)
1877 [12:27:56] <petn-randall> Lynk: The longer answer is because no one worked on it to get it to work.
1878 [12:28:00] <coke> embrace the reboot
1879 [12:28:30] <pingfloyd> then everyone in computer land dies
1880 [12:29:01] <GG_Phyduck> Good day pepole
1881 [12:29:13] <petn-randall> I'd consider checking that a server cleanly reboots every now and then good practice.
1882 [12:29:20] <LordCow> does anyone have experience with zabbix-server-mysql? The web frontend only gives me the option to use postgresql - i'm guessing because stretch pulls in mariadb not mysql
1883 [12:29:40] <petn-randall> And anything that can't cope with expected downtime should be a high-availability setup, anyway.
1884 [12:30:25] *** Quits: TrueDD (~truedd@replaced-ip ) (Quit: Quitte)
1885 [12:30:27] *** Quits: raynold (uid201163@replaced-ip ) (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity)
1886 [12:31:10] <Lynk> Other question: I'm missing the kernel module tpm_tis ... it's not there?
1887 [12:32:28] *** Joins: Vizva (~max@replaced-ip )
1888 [12:32:39] <gry> LordCow: ask #zabbix possibly, but get mysql installed first. just install it from package manager after installing zabbix-server-mysql
1889 [12:32:57] <LordCow> tx, there's no mysql in pkg manager though
1890 [12:33:05] <LordCow> it's a cover for mariadb
1891 [12:33:46] *** Joins: KidBeta (~textual@replaced-ip )
1892 [12:34:03] *** Quits: Mazhive_one (~Mazhive@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
1893 [12:34:59] *** Joins: angor (~angor@replaced-ip )
1894 [12:35:28] *** Joins: fr0tzed (~fr0tzed@replaced-ip )
1895 [12:36:42] *** Joins: dethos (~dethos@replaced-ip )
1896 [12:37:22] <Lynk> replaced-url
1897 [12:37:25] <Lynk> Seriously?
1898 [12:37:29] <Lynk> But it's in Jessie?
1899 [12:37:56] *** Quits: KidBeta (~textual@replaced-ip ) (Client Quit)
1900 [12:38:00] *** Joins: MrAlexandr0 (~MrAlexand@replaced-ip )
1901 [12:38:46] *** Joins: tuxcrafter (~jelle@replaced-ip )
1902 [12:38:51] <tuxcrafter> hello everybody
1903 [12:39:07] *** Joins: WoodLeg (~WoodLeg@replaced-ip )
1904 [12:39:10] <spacemn> didn't Oracle bought it for one billion dollars and mariadb was the fork/answer?
1905 [12:39:14] <rysiek|pl> tuxcrafter: hi dr nick
1906 [12:39:34] *** Quits: slowz (~kevin@replaced-ip ) (Quit: I quit!)
1907 [12:39:38] *** Quits: KlausedSource (~KlausedSo@replaced-ip##) (Quit: ##replaced-url
1908 [12:39:45] *** Joins: heurist`_` (heurist@replaced-ip )
1909 [12:39:47] *** Joins: TrueDD (~truedd@replaced-ip )
1910 [12:40:06] *** Joins: f10_ (~flo@replaced-ip )
1911 [12:40:20] *** Quits: p3rs3us (~jduro@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
1912 [12:40:26] *** Joins: slowz (~kevin@replaced-ip )
1913 [12:40:27] *** Quits: slowz (~kevin@replaced-ip ) (Changing host)
1914 [12:40:27] *** Joins: slowz (~kevin@replaced-ip )
1915 [12:40:27] <Lynk> spacemn: No, MySQL was ever owned by Oracle (before Sun)
1916 [12:40:28] *** Quits: chenchacha (~chenchach@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
1917 [12:41:22] *** Joins: chenchacha (~chenchach@replaced-ip )
1918 [12:41:25] *** Joins: B[]rG (~tuptidup@replaced-ip )
1919 [12:41:40] <spacemn> Lynk: you are right, I'm looking at the wikipedia page... I recalled the billion dollars tho ^__^;
1920 [12:42:00] *** debhelper sets mode: +l 1682
1921 [12:42:08] *** Quits: firztspawn (~firztspaw@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)
1922 [12:42:17] <spacemn> Lynk: I pictured it like the scene with Dr. Evil
1923 [12:42:23] <Lynk> spacemn: 1994-2008: MySQL AB (Sweden - but they had a partnership with Sun), then Sun bought it, at 2010 Sun got bought out by Oracle. And today, it's all Oracle.
1924 [12:42:31] *** Quits: heurist_ (heurist@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
1925 [12:43:01] *** Joins: heurist__ (heurist@replaced-ip )
1926 [12:43:43] *** Hyp3ri0n is now known as Cl0udN9ne
1927 [12:44:13] <Lynk> spacemn: So, MariaDB was a fork of the MySQL Community Edition. Today, it's rewritten from scratch and MySQL compatible
1928 [12:45:25] <LordCow> sanity prevails, i was just missing mysql php extension, mariadb still does the trick
1929 [12:46:00] *** Joins: khanjant (~joujou@replaced-ip )
1930 [12:46:09] *** khanjant is now known as clonewar
1931 [12:46:20] *** Quits: heurist`_` (heurist@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)
1932 [12:46:31] *** Joins: wonderworld (~ww@replaced-ip )
1933 [12:47:08] <clonewar> hello everyone. I am about to buy a digital videocamera with a flash memory, my first one, and am wondering if there are known or frequent troubles in uploading the images to Debian
1934 [12:47:42] <clonewar> or anyway in general, what to look out for
1935 [12:47:57] *** Joins: DarkNight777 (~DarkNight@replaced-ip )
1936 [12:48:38] *** Quits: sbasso (~sbasso@replaced-ip ) (Remote host closed the connection)
1937 [12:48:48] *** Quits: KingsQuest- (~suspt@replaced-ip ) (Remote host closed the connection)
1938 [12:49:46] *** Quits: DarkNight777 (~DarkNight@replaced-ip ) (Remote host closed the connection)
1939 [12:50:13] *** Joins: Mazhive_one (~Mazhive@replaced-ip )
1940 [12:50:30] *** Joins: Dollar (~dollar@replaced-ip )
1941 [12:51:29] *** Joins: soee_ (~soee@replaced-ip )
1942 [12:51:58] <colo-work> does stretch's chromium release support headless operation?
1943 [12:52:24] *** Quits: abrotman (~abrotman@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
1944 [12:52:28] *** Quits: soee (~soee@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)
1945 [12:53:05] *** Parts: birk (~lksdjf@replaced-ip )
1946 [12:53:40] *** Joins: firztspawn (~firztspaw@replaced-ip )
1947 [12:54:25] *** Joins: roshanavand (~mos@replaced-ip )
1948 [12:54:27] *** Quits: roshanavand (~mos@replaced-ip ) (Client Quit)
1949 [12:54:45] *** Quits: qwertyzxcvbn (~qwertyzxc@replaced-ip ) (Quit: WeeChat 1.8)
1950 [12:56:04] *** Quits: Vizva (~max@replaced-ip ) (Remote host closed the connection)
1951 [12:57:03] *** Joins: roshanavand (~Thunderbi@replaced-ip )
1952 [12:57:07] *** Joins: Tiffon (~name@replaced-ip )
1953 [12:58:16] *** Joins: abrotman (~abrotman@replaced-ip )
1954 [12:58:17] *** Quits: abrotman (~abrotman@replaced-ip ) (Changing host)
1955 [12:58:17] *** Joins: abrotman (~abrotman@replaced-ip )
1956 [12:58:30] *** Joins: kalipso (~kalipso@replaced-ip )
1957 [13:00:14] *** Joins: elkmoose (~jesus@replaced-ip )
1958 [13:01:17] *** Joins: sbasso (~sbasso@replaced-ip )
1959 [13:01:48] *** Quits: sbasso (~sbasso@replaced-ip ) (Read error: No route to host)
1960 [13:01:49] *** Quits: Lynk (2e3bd657@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
1961 [13:01:52] *** Quits: fcn (~fcn@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)
1962 [13:01:54] *** Joins: sbasso_ (~sbasso@replaced-ip )
1963 [13:04:29] *** Quits: Haudegen (~quassel@replaced-ip ) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
1964 [13:05:02] *** Quits: dpkg (~dpkg@replaced-ip ) (Quit: buh bye!)
1965 [13:05:28] *** Quits: Merixer (~Merixer@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
1966 [13:05:40] *** Joins: juboxi (~juboxi@replaced-ip )
1967 [13:05:44] *** Joins: dpkg (~dpkg@replaced-ip )
1968 [13:05:54] *** Quits: WoodLeg (~WoodLeg@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
1969 [13:09:38] *** Joins: rgr (~rgr@replaced-ip )
1970 [13:09:50] *** Joins: chomwitt (~chomwitt@replaced-ip )
1971 [13:10:06] *** Quits: cdown (~cdown@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)
1972 [13:11:53] *** Joins: glick (~deb@replaced-ip )
1973 [13:12:12] <glick> hi
1974 [13:12:37] <glick> does any one know how i can convert mp4 files to oggs?
1975 [13:12:47] <glick> i tried it on mac with vlc but the audio was glitchy
1976 [13:12:52] *** Joins: anhedonist (~anhedonis@replaced-ip )
1977 [13:13:39] *** Joins: Brigo (~Brigo@replaced-ip )
1978 [13:13:43] *** Quits: anhedonist_ (~anhedonis@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
1979 [13:13:56] *** Quits: sim590 (~sim590@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
1980 [13:14:29] *** klcwl is now known as LeandroLuiz
1981 [13:14:30] *** Quits: LeandroLuiz (~clkalw@replaced-ip ) (Changing host)
1982 [13:14:30] *** Joins: LeandroLuiz (~clkalw@replaced-ip )
1983 [13:14:45] *** Joins: BluesKaj (~kaj@replaced-ip )
1984 [13:14:49] *** Quits: drot (drot@replaced-ip ) (Quit: WeeChat 1.7.1)
1985 [13:14:52] *** Joins: sim590 (~sim590@replaced-ip )
1986 [13:15:27] *** Quits: xistens3 (~e_xistens@replaced-ip ) (Quit: Leaving)
1987 [13:15:40] <vlt> glick: ffmpeg should work
1988 [13:15:50] *** Joins: e_xistense (~e_xistens@replaced-ip )
1989 [13:15:54] *** Quits: sbasso_ (~sbasso@replaced-ip ) (Remote host closed the connection)
1990 [13:15:59] <glick> hmm ill look into it thanks
1991 [13:16:02] *** Joins: fcn (~fcn@replaced-ip )
1992 [13:16:08] *** Quits: APexil (~you@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
1993 [13:16:27] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
1994 [13:16:56] *** Quits: HugsWontletgo (~HugsWontl@replaced-ip ) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
1995 [13:17:50] *** Joins: insolentbacon (~insolentb@replaced-ip )
1996 [13:19:19] <glick> any idea when stretch will become the new stable?
1997 [13:19:19] *** Quits: gry (~svetlana@replaced-ip ) (Quit: gry)
1998 [13:19:34] *** Joins: _m8 (~m8@replaced-ip )
1999 [13:19:57] *** Quits: m8 (~m8@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2000 [13:20:04] *** Joins: internat (~nf@replaced-ip )
2001 [13:20:23] <spacemn> ETA in two weeks
2002 [13:21:25] <BluesKaj> on June 17th
2003 [13:22:00] <BluesKaj> pass your cursor over the MOTD for an info dialog
2004 [13:22:25] *** Quits: overlord_tm (~andraz@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)
2005 [13:22:38] *** Quits: ralinux (~ralinux@replaced-ip ) (Quit: Go to Slzzp)
2006 [13:22:47] <FinalX> cursor over motd? info dialog?
2007 [13:22:55] *** juboxi is now known as jubo2
2008 [13:22:55] <FinalX> oh, you mean the topic. ok.
2009 [13:23:46] *** Joins: amcorreia (~amcorreia@replaced-ip )
2010 [13:24:30] *** Quits: ruslan_m (~rmstoi@replaced-ip ) (Remote host closed the connection)
2011 [13:25:16] *** Joins: fallentr1e (~fallentre@replaced-ip )
2012 [13:25:17] *** Joins: davimore (~davimore@replaced-ip )
2013 [13:25:19] <glick> is vlc the best ogg player?
2014 [13:26:09] *** Joins: HugsWontletgo (~HugsWontl@replaced-ip )
2015 [13:26:22] *** Joins: WoodLeg (~WoodLeg@replaced-ip )
2016 [13:27:03] *** Joins: shannara (~Stanislas@replaced-ip )
2017 [13:27:05] *** Joins: drot (drot@replaced-ip )
2018 [13:27:13] <spacemn> glick: define best, I liked Audacious before the QT migration
2019 [13:27:47] <BluesKaj> dunno, never used ogg ...wav is the best quality and there's no reason to listen to lossy compressed files anymore
2020 [13:27:50] *** Quits: fallentree (~fallentre@replaced-ip ) (Disconnected by services)
2021 [13:27:58] *** fallentr1e is now known as fallentree
2022 [13:28:35] *** Joins: x212 (~x212@replaced-ip )
2023 [13:28:52] *** Joins: APexil (~you@replaced-ip )
2024 [13:29:11] *** Quits: robouk (~manjaro-k@replaced-ip ) (Quit: Konversation terminated!)
2025 [13:30:24] <BluesKaj> glick, but VLC plays mostly anything
2026 [13:30:33] *** Quits: rgr (~rgr@replaced-ip ) (Quit: rgr)
2027 [13:30:54] <x212> Consumers Can Have Good Jobs if They Spend Their Money Wisely. Boycott/Protest/Revolt ANY Corporation Showing ANY Inkling of Automation! Example: MCDonalds, Uber, Bank of America ...
2028 [13:30:54] <x212> ... Example: If People Will not Boycott MCDonalds (On Forefront of Automation) (than if MCDonalds Fully Automates, Majority of Others in The Sector Will Follow), in 30 years All Retail Sector Will Be Automated. Retail People Displaced by Automation, Will Have Problem to Adjust to More Higher Tech Economy ... Spread Agressivelly, Relentlessly
2029 [13:31:47] *** Quits: oish (~charlie@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)
2030 [13:32:13] <x212> ...Consumers Can Have Good Jobs if They Spend Their Money Wisely....
2031 [13:32:39] <BluesKaj> !spam | x212
2032 [13:32:56] <x212> just spreading message
2033 [13:33:24] *** Quits: WoodLeg (~WoodLeg@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2034 [13:33:32] <x212> but sure should not spam that long message maybe
2035 [13:33:43] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o jelly
2036 [13:33:44] *** jelly sets mode: +q *!*@90-64-55-101.dynamic.orange.sk
2037 [13:33:45] *** ChanServ sets mode: -o jelly
2038 [13:33:46] *** Joins: oish (~charlie@replaced-ip )
2039 [13:34:33] *** Quits: jero- (~ID100T@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)
2040 [13:34:51] *** Quits: pingfloyd (~pingfloyd@replaced-ip ) (Quit: ☮ out)
2041 [13:35:26] *** Joins: L3gacy (~L3gacy@replaced-ip )
2042 [13:35:38] *** Quits: SH0x_ (~saulius@replaced-ip ) (Quit: SH0x_)
2043 [13:36:36] <at0m|c> x212: should not post anything not debian related for sure.
2044 [13:37:08] *** Joins: overlord_tm (~andraz@replaced-ip )
2045 [13:37:50] <jelly> x212: use #debian-offtopic if you want to rant about naked capitalism and lack of basic income in your constituency... oh wait, you shouldn't rant in there, either
2046 [13:38:22] <jelly> this channel is for tech support.
2047 [13:38:42] *** Joins: woyzeck (~woyzeck@replaced-ip )
2048 [13:39:32] *** Joins: sbasso (~sbasso@replaced-ip )
2049 [13:40:23] *** Joins: jero- (~ID100T@replaced-ip )
2050 [13:40:24] *** Quits: urzds (~quassel@replaced-ip ) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2051 [13:40:57] *** Joins: Velgor (~Velgor@replaced-ip )
2052 [13:41:24] *** Quits: Velgor (~Velgor@replaced-ip ) (Client Quit)
2053 [13:42:27] *** Joins: gbutnaru_ (~gbutnaru@replaced-ip )
2054 [13:43:09] <clonewar> hello everyone. I am about to buy a digital videocamera with a flash memory, my first one, and am wondering if there are known or frequent troubles in uploading the files to Debian
2055 [13:43:57] <petn-randall> clonewar: If you can pop out the card and put it into your card reader, it shouldn't be any problem. For everything else it depends how the cam implements it.
2056 [13:44:12] <Dollar> I doubt it that there are any problems consider download/uploading files on a Debian server. I assume it depends how you do it.
2057 [13:44:49] <clonewar> Dollar, what do you mean by downloading uploading on a Debian server?
2058 [13:45:24] <clonewar> petn-randall, no idea, I still have to buy it and was looking for a trouble-less one. I'll go for one with a removable SDcard, thanks
2059 [13:46:03] <Dollar> I mean that it depends how you do it, is the camera auto uploading videos on the server or you will do it manually with the SD card and reader.
2060 [13:46:29] <petn-randall> clonewar: Most others just implement MTP, which works out of the box. But with the thousands of devices on the market, you never know if some require some quirky windows-only driver.
2061 [13:47:07] *** Joins: Lowl3v3l (~lowl3v3l@replaced-ip )
2062 [13:47:32] <clonewar> Dollar, I'd rather have all the files locally, so no direct server uploading (even though who knows what goes on when a camera has a wifi connection)
2063 [13:47:54] <clonewar> petn-randall, MTP should be fine too, noted down, thanks!
2064 [13:47:57] *** Joins: KidBeta (~textual@replaced-ip )
2065 [13:48:33] <glick> hi can anyone recommend a good pdf viewer?
2066 [13:48:38] *** Joins: plasticle (~plasticle@replaced-ip )
2067 [13:48:50] <petn-randall> glick: evince
2068 [13:49:10] <spacemn> I've read time ago about SD cards with WiFi enabled, but never tried
2069 [13:49:13] <at0m|c> clonewar: and the video format the device uses. is it raw? do you want to edit, crop, re-encode?
2070 [13:50:24] *** Quits: arturo (~arturo@replaced-ip ) (Remote host closed the connection)
2071 [13:50:36] *** Joins: tymczenko (~tymczenko@replaced-ip )
2072 [13:51:39] *** Joins: turfal (~Thunderbi@replaced-ip )
2073 [13:52:00] *** debhelper sets mode: +l 1691
2074 [13:52:29] *** Quits: tymczenko (~tymczenko@replaced-ip ) (Remote host closed the connection)
2075 [13:52:39] <glick> petn-randall: hah got a segmentation fault in evince
2076 [13:52:54] *** Quits: gbutnaru_ (~gbutnaru@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2077 [13:53:03] *** Joins: techping (~techping@replaced-ip )
2078 [13:53:21] *** Quits: lsv (~nn@replaced-ip ) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2079 [13:53:49] <jelly> glick: okular? foxit reader?
2080 [13:53:53] * jelly hides
2081 [13:54:02] <petn-randall> glick: just starting it? Or on that PDF?
2082 [13:54:05] <clonewar> at0m|c, yes, I would like to do some editing, maybe with openshot but I still have to do my homework
2083 [13:54:10] *** Joins: rgr (~rgr@replaced-ip )
2084 [13:54:40] <clonewar> what kind of format/codec should I look for?
2085 [13:54:47] *** Joins: Haudegen (~quassel@replaced-ip )
2086 [13:55:20] *** Joins: cdown (~cdown@replaced-ip )
2087 [13:57:17] *** Quits: turfal (~Thunderbi@replaced-ip ) (Quit: turfal)
2088 [13:58:26] *** Quits: fr0tzed (~fr0tzed@replaced-ip ) (Remote host closed the connection)
2089 [13:59:14] *** Joins: tr4cefl0w (~tr4cefl0w@replaced-ip )
2090 [13:59:28] *** Quits: insolentbacon (~insolentb@replaced-ip ) (Quit: leaving)
2091 [13:59:35] <spacemn> not an expert, far from it, but I think you should use raw for max quality, don't know if it's still the same, but consumer cameras used to export in lossy formats like jpg
2092 [14:00:07] *** Quits: xSmurf (~MrSmurf@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2093 [14:00:26] *** Quits: tr4cefl0w (~tr4cefl0w@replaced-ip ) (Client Quit)
2094 [14:00:28] *** Joins: WoodLeg (~WoodLeg@replaced-ip )
2095 [14:00:48] *** Joins: neglesaks (~JohnJJohn@replaced-ip )
2096 [14:02:13] *** Quits: notebox (~textual@replaced-ip ) (Quit: My Mac Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…)
2097 [14:02:53] *** Parts: chenchacha (~chenchach@replaced-ip )
2098 [14:03:23] *** Joins: Gurty (~princess@replaced-ip )
2099 [14:03:52] *** Quits: roshanavand (~Thunderbi@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2100 [14:03:59] *** Joins: juantelez (~juantelez@replaced-ip )
2101 [14:05:10] *** Joins: xSmurf (~MrSmurf@replaced-ip )
2102 [14:05:28] <clonewar> spacemn, is that true for videos as well? It's a videocamera, will not take much static images at all.
2103 [14:07:29] <spacemn> clonewar: I never heard about raw video, I suppose space requirements would be quite high
2104 [14:08:27] *** Joins: SH0x_ (~saulius@replaced-ip )
2105 [14:09:09] <FinalX> most camera's record in h264
2106 [14:09:17] <FinalX> MPEG2TS
2107 [14:09:24] *** Quits: SH0x_ (~saulius@replaced-ip ) (Client Quit)
2108 [14:10:21] <clonewar> well, I shouldn't have troubles with it, common codecs
2109 [14:10:38] *** Joins: Achylles (~Achylles@replaced-ip )
2110 [14:10:39] <clonewar> thanks!
2111 [14:10:59] <FinalX> Shooting in RAW is particularly important when you might lose details in the shadows or when you're going to do editing. In most cases JPG's are more than sufficient. Most camera's will offer to shoot in RAW, process it and store a JPG next to the RAW (NEF, CR2, DNG).
2112 [14:11:06] *** Joins: nighty-- (~nighty@replaced-ip )
2113 [14:11:41] <FinalX> The Samsung Galaxy S7 phone for instance has a dual-pixel camera (only newer Canons have it for now, DSLRs), and will also allow you to shoot in RAW (DNG) _and_ JPG.
2114 [14:12:02] *** Quits: drot (drot@replaced-ip ) (Quit: WeeChat 1.8)
2115 [14:12:21] *** Joins: nikoma (~nikoma@replaced-ip )
2116 [14:12:21] *** Quits: nikoma (~nikoma@replaced-ip ) (Changing host)
2117 [14:12:21] *** Joins: nikoma (~nikoma@replaced-ip )
2118 [14:13:17] <clonewar> FinalX, I see, thanks. So far looks like Debian doesn't have any trouble with videocameras, that's refreshing
2119 [14:13:30] *** Joins: drot (drot@replaced-ip )
2120 [14:13:54] *** gftg_away is now known as gftg
2121 [14:15:36] *** Joins: star (~star@replaced-ip )
2122 [14:15:58] *** Quits: bnw (~bnw@replaced-ip ) (Quit: Leaving)
2123 [14:16:48] *** Joins: stikn (d5fe4e5f@replaced-ip )
2124 [14:17:02] *** Quits: KidBeta (~textual@replaced-ip ) (Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…)
2125 [14:17:17] <stikn> hi guys! my system has been broken after try upgrade from jessie to stretch
2126 [14:17:36] <stikn> the system did hung in dist-upgrade process
2127 [14:17:37] *** Joins: sleepyhead (~sleepyhea@replaced-ip )
2128 [14:17:46] <stikn> I've started with a live cd
2129 [14:18:13] <stikn> and I've mounted /dev/sda2 (which is my /), proc, sys and dev
2130 [14:18:15] *** Quits: erabti___ (~erabti@replaced-ip ) (Quit: erabti___)
2131 [14:18:16] *** Joins: erabti____ (~erabti@replaced-ip )
2132 [14:18:17] *** Quits: Voovode (~Alex@replaced-ip ) (Quit: Byeeeeeeeee!)
2133 [14:18:21] <stikn> could I repair the system with chroot?
2134 [14:18:22] <BluesKaj> stikn, did you update and upgrade your jessie packages before doing dist?
2135 [14:18:36] *** Joins: KidBeta (~textual@replaced-ip )
2136 [14:18:47] *** Joins: macartur (~macartur@replaced-ip )
2137 [14:18:58] <stikn> BluesKaj: of course :)
2138 [14:19:09] <BluesKaj> I have to ask
2139 [14:19:42] <BluesKaj> which gpu?
2140 [14:19:43] <stikn> BluesKaj: now I'm doing "dpkg --configure -a"
2141 [14:19:45] <stikn> from chroot
2142 [14:19:50] <stikn> a Nvidia
2143 [14:19:59] <stikn> with proprietary drivers installed in jessie
2144 [14:20:10] *** Joins: ralinux (~ralinux@replaced-ip )
2145 [14:20:13] *** Joins: notebox (~textual@replaced-ip )
2146 [14:21:22] <BluesKaj> stikn, most likely the same nvidia driver in stretch as jessie. at least in my case it is
2147 [14:21:29] <stikn> I could paste the output in pastedebian at finish
2148 [14:22:00] *** debhelper sets mode: +l 1697
2149 [14:22:02] *** Quits: domovoy (~domovoy@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)
2150 [14:22:17] *** Joins: xakotu (~dalim@replaced-ip )
2151 [14:22:26] *** Joins: antgel (~topdog@replaced-ip )
2152 [14:23:02] <glick> anyone else running stretch cant change their background wallpaper in mate?
2153 [14:23:24] *** Quits: Artern (~artern@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2154 [14:25:17] <BluesKaj> stikn, you could try nomodeset in grub in the quiet Grub line, but that's only if you can drop to a vt/tty
2155 [14:25:37] <glick> i really wish i could change my mate background wallpaper
2156 [14:25:50] <stikn> BluesKaj: replaced-url
2157 [14:25:59] <stikn> I get this when I do apt-get upgrade form chroot
2158 [14:26:01] <stikn> in livecd
2159 [14:27:09] *** Quits: Achylles (~Achylles@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)
2160 [14:27:40] *** Joins: binary-zero (~binary-ze@replaced-ip )
2161 [14:27:54] <spacemn> stikn: I think you should use dist-upgrade in this case
2162 [14:28:00] *** Joins: Malmis (malmis@replaced-ip )
2163 [14:28:39] <stikn> SpaceAce: replaced-url
2164 [14:28:42] <stikn> I've got issues with repos
2165 [14:29:01] <stikn> may be related with chroot
2166 [14:29:08] <BluesKaj> run apt -f install
2167 [14:29:42] <spacemn> stikn: start checking if you can ping an external host, like 8.8.8.8
2168 [14:29:50] <stikn> yes, I can
2169 [14:30:19] <spacemn> stikn: can you ping an host like google.com?
2170 [14:30:24] <stikn> of course .)
2171 [14:30:51] <stikn> replaced-url
2172 [14:30:55] *** Joins: OS-30011 (~OS-30011@replaced-ip )
2173 [14:31:00] <spacemn> stikn: but you can't ping ftp.es.debian.org?
2174 [14:31:03] *** Parts: OS-30011 (~OS-30011@replaced-ip )
2175 [14:31:07] *** Quits: KidBeta (~textual@replaced-ip ) (Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…)
2176 [14:31:13] <at0m|c> !jessie->stretch
2177 [14:31:35] <stikn> yes also I can
2178 [14:31:36] <stikn> replaced-url
2179 [14:31:59] <at0m|c> dpkg: jessie->stretch
2180 [14:31:59] <dpkg> Remember that Debian 9 "Stretch" is still pre-release and that security support will not always be timely. Read (at least) the upgrading chapter of the <stretch release notes> replaced-url
2181 [14:32:33] <stikn> BluesKaj: apt -f install seems has worked
2182 [14:32:45] *** Joins: deemel (~deemel@replaced-ip )
2183 [14:32:49] <stikn> but still I cannot do dist-upgrade
2184 [14:32:58] <stikn> I've got issues with repos again
2185 [14:33:12] *** Joins: dalim_ (~dalim@replaced-ip )
2186 [14:33:14] *** Quits: xakotu (~dalim@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2187 [14:33:58] <stikn> spacemn: BluesKaj I cannot do apt-get update either
2188 [14:34:19] <stikn> replaced-url
2189 [14:34:21] <BluesKaj> sorry , i have to go ..bb later
2190 [14:34:45] <stikn> what do you think spacemn?
2191 [14:35:23] *** Joins: delYsid (~user@replaced-ip )
2192 [14:35:37] *** Quits: delYsid (~user@replaced-ip ) (Changing host)
2193 [14:35:37] *** Joins: delYsid (~user@replaced-ip )
2194 [14:35:56] *** Parts: delYsid (~user@replaced-ip )
2195 [14:36:07] *** Joins: dbarton (~dbarton@replaced-ip )
2196 [14:36:23] *** Joins: StatlerX (~Baltazar@replaced-ip )
2197 [14:36:24] *** StatlerX is now known as Baltazar
2198 [14:36:41] *** Quits: blackest_mamba (~blackest_@replaced-ip ) (Quit: Leaving...)
2199 [14:36:51] <dbarton> Hi. Is there anyone who might know if Debian has VTI (virtual tunnel interface) support in Strongswan? :/
2200 [14:36:57] *** Quits: bsurfer (~bsurfer@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
2201 [14:37:05] <spacemn> stikn: strange that you can ping it but apt fail to resolve it
2202 [14:37:18] *** Quits: erabti____ (~erabti@replaced-ip ) (Remote host closed the connection)
2203 [14:37:29] *** Joins: SH0x_ (~saulius@replaced-ip )
2204 [14:37:31] <stikn> I'm using a livecd and doing chroot over the broken system
2205 [14:37:36] <stikn> is not the system itself
2206 [14:37:58] *** Joins: erabti____ (~erabti@replaced-ip )
2207 [14:38:06] <spacemn> stikn: you can always create a list of packages URI to download from a different PC with the --print-uri option
2208 [14:38:26] <spacemn> stikn: yeah, strange nonetheless ^__^
2209 [14:38:31] <jelly> stikn: you have to manually edit /etc/resolv.conf inside chroot to match what's outside
2210 [14:38:39] *** Joins: jackNemrod_ (~Thunderbi@replaced-ip )
2211 [14:38:41] *** Quits: jackNemrod (~Thunderbi@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)
2212 [14:38:41] *** jackNemrod_ is now known as jackNemrod
2213 [14:39:28] <jelly> or cp the one that works inside i guess
2214 [14:39:33] <stikn> jelly /etc/resolv.conf is it a symlink
2215 [14:39:38] <jelly> it might be
2216 [14:39:43] <stikn> which is pointing to outside
2217 [14:39:56] <jelly> no, it can't point outside
2218 [14:40:03] <jelly> chroot prevents that
2219 [14:40:30] <jelly> chroot literally changes the meaning of / (root of the filesystem)
2220 [14:40:42] <spacemn> stikn: when in doubt, I usually put "nameserver 8.8.8.8" in my resolv.conf and call it a day
2221 [14:40:50] <stikn> resolv.conf -> /etc/resolvconf/run/resolv.conf
2222 [14:41:17] *** Joins: zetheroo (~eb@replaced-ip )
2223 [14:41:50] *** Joins: mhall119 (~mhall@replaced-ip )
2224 [14:42:15] <zetheroo> I have a system with 20GB of memory and it's always pretty much maxed out with about 1GB of free memory
2225 [14:42:30] <zetheroo> what the best way to find out what's using the memory up?
2226 [14:42:40] <sleepyhead> zetheroo: see linuxatemyram.com
2227 [14:42:41] <babilen> zetheroo: Start with "free -m"
2228 [14:43:30] <zetheroo> I tried with htop and it shows 18 entries for the same thing /usr/sbin/mysqld
2229 [14:43:38] <sleepyhead> zetheroo: see linuxatemyram.com
2230 [14:43:54] <sleepyhead> zetheroo: acknowledge that you understood what it says there
2231 [14:44:09] *** Joins: Vizva (~max@replaced-ip )
2232 [14:44:12] *** Quits: WoodLeg (~WoodLeg@replaced-ip ) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2233 [14:44:13] <zetheroo> sleepyhead: roger that ;)
2234 [14:44:27] <babilen> zetheroo: So .. what's the output of "free -m" ?
2235 [14:44:38] <babilen> (in an attempt to actually address the issue)
2236 [14:44:42] <sleepyhead> zetheroo: if it turns out you have plenty of free ram i'm going to be mighty pissed
2237 [14:44:52] <babilen> sleepyhead: Don't drink and IRC
2238 [14:44:57] <zetheroo> replaced-url
2239 [14:44:59] <sleepyhead> babilen: i don't drink period
2240 [14:45:15] <sleepyhead> babilen: there you go. see i was right
2241 [14:45:21] <sleepyhead> noobs
2242 [14:45:29] <babilen> zetheroo: As you can clearly see in the second line most of the RAM is being utilised for caching block device data
2243 [14:45:30] <sleepyhead> zetheroo: you have 18gb free
2244 [14:45:30] <petn-randall> I don't think a lot of people drink period, anyway.
2245 [14:46:03] <sleepyhead> zetheroo: that's why i told you to see that site
2246 [14:46:28] *** Quits: evilQ (~jguillen@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2247 [14:46:40] *** Joins: saturos (~saturos@replaced-ip )
2248 [14:46:42] <zetheroo> Ok, well I have seen this before and basically the theory is that it's cached and if something comes along that needs some memory then what's cached will be released and made accessible to the new process ... only thing is that this doesn't seem to actually happen.
2249 [14:46:48] *** Quits: dbarton (~dbarton@replaced-ip ) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2250 [14:46:56] <babilen> sleepyhead: This has nothing to do with "noobs", but with addressing a question using actual data. Your assumption that zetheroo was seeing high cache usage was likely, but in no way supported by actual data
2251 [14:47:01] <zetheroo> The reason we have 20GB of memory on this system is because of that
2252 [14:47:24] <sleepyhead> babilen: it was supported by experience dealing with newbies. and the op is a noob not a newbie cause he doesn't learn.
2253 [14:47:28] <petn-randall> sleepyhead: What babilen said. Also please refrain from calling people names, we all started somewhere.
2254 [14:47:33] <babilen> What is the actual issue you are trying to address? Please note that MySQL is using caching extensively.
2255 [14:47:38] *** Joins: roshanavand (~Thunderbi@replaced-ip )
2256 [14:47:51] <zetheroo> if I lower the memory the system runs into all kinds of performance issues - so how can it be that that 18GB of cached memory is "free"?
2257 [14:48:03] *** Joins: skazoo (~skazoo@replaced-ip )
2258 [14:48:03] *** Joins: domovoy (~domovoy@replaced-ip )
2259 [14:48:18] *** Joins: stooj_ (~stooj@replaced-ip )
2260 [14:48:18] <sleepyhead> zetheroo: well the performance issues must be due to some other resource not ram
2261 [14:48:19] <petn-randall> zetheroo: System with cache tend to run (sometimes *a lot*) faster.
2262 [14:48:20] <at0m|c> zetheroo: cache is considered free. replaced-url
2263 [14:48:26] <sleepyhead> zetheroo: like disk i/o or CPU time
2264 [14:48:31] <sleepyhead> maybe even bandwidth
2265 [14:48:39] <babilen> zetheroo: I would guess that your MySQL configuration (in particular InnoDB caches) are not in line with the reduced memory footprint
2266 [14:48:50] <sleepyhead> at0m|c: he doesn't want to visit that site. i pointed it out multiple times already.
2267 [14:49:02] <zetheroo> sleepyhead: if its got nothing to do with memory how come adding more memory sorts out the performance issues?
2268 [14:49:07] <petn-randall> zetheroo: It has to do with the fact that files cached in RAM can be accessed about 10,000x faster than from disk.
2269 [14:49:14] <bezaban> mysql defaults to 128mb cache iirc
2270 [14:49:29] *** Joins: blackest_mamba (~blackest_@replaced-ip )
2271 [14:49:48] <zetheroo> babilen: so mysqld config needs some tweaking ..
2272 [14:49:50] <sleepyhead> bezaban: OS caches regardless
2273 [14:49:54] <babilen> Maybe it would help if we were to see the actual MySQL configuration?
2274 [14:50:05] <bezaban> sleepyhead: yes, but that may not help with mysql performance
2275 [14:50:07] <petn-randall> zetheroo: How small did you shrink the RAM as the performance problems happened?
2276 [14:50:09] <bezaban> or will not. rather
2277 [14:50:12] <sleepyhead> bezaban: of course it will.
2278 [14:50:22] <babilen> zetheroo: It might, but please address: What are the actual issues you are facing?
2279 [14:50:30] <bezaban> sleepyhead: there are absolutely cases where you need to tweak the mysql cache
2280 [14:50:42] <zetheroo> what I don't get is when people say that cached memory is 'free memory' ... it certainly doesn't see to act like that
2281 [14:50:55] <zetheroo> what would you like to see?
2282 [14:51:13] <at0m|c> zetheroo: that site explains. i'm not going to write it out here.
2283 [14:51:17] <bezaban> zetheroo: it is freed if it is needed. read the site
2284 [14:51:26] *** Joins: Merixer (~Merixer@replaced-ip )
2285 [14:51:29] *** Quits: johefernan (~joheferna@replaced-ip ) (Quit: Konversation terminated!)
2286 [14:51:47] <zetheroo> replaced-url
2287 [14:52:00] *** debhelper sets mode: +l 1705
2288 [14:52:05] <sleepyhead> zetheroo: optimizing mysql configuration is a good idea. mysqltuner.pl (another site) is a good resource
2289 [14:52:24] <sleepyhead> zetheroo: but i also suggest install the sysstat package to collect performance data
2290 [14:52:39] <zetheroo> hmm ok
2291 [14:52:56] <sleepyhead> zetheroo: are you seeing high load? high load can be due to disk i/o issues
2292 [14:53:12] <sleepyhead> zetheroo: post the output of `uptime`
2293 [14:53:21] <zetheroo> did you see the screenshot I posted?
2294 [14:53:21] *** Quits: HugsWontletgo (~HugsWontl@replaced-ip ) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2295 [14:53:27] <petn-randall> zetheroo: All that orange in the memory bar is cache.
2296 [14:53:29] <zetheroo> the CPU is almost completely idle
2297 [14:53:35] *** Quits: juantelez (~juantelez@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2298 [14:53:49] <zetheroo> petn-randall: right
2299 [14:53:54] <jelly> zetheroo: description of actual performance issues, output of "vmstat 1" before and when it's happening, output of "iostat -mx 5" if you see disk io contention (lots of wa (wait%) column in vmstat)
2300 [14:54:06] <petn-randall> zetheroo: this ^^^
2301 [14:54:28] <zetheroo> ok, well it's a productive system so I can't really experiment of it :(
2302 [14:54:40] <jelly> keep the *stat commands running for a bit
2303 [14:54:49] *** Joins: RebelCoderRU (~Yuriy@replaced-ip )
2304 [14:54:50] *** Quits: Walakea (~Thunderbi@replaced-ip ) (Quit: Walakea)
2305 [14:54:54] *** Quits: dalim_ (~dalim@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2306 [14:54:57] <zetheroo> and I know from experience that jobs fail on it if it's got less memory than what it's got now
2307 [14:55:06] <jelly> ah yes, "jobs fail"
2308 [14:55:06] <sleepyhead> is it normal to have so many mysql processes running?
2309 [14:55:14] <sleepyhead> seems like they are taking up a lot of cpu time
2310 [14:55:14] *** Joins: KidBeta (~textual@replaced-ip )
2311 [14:55:16] <jelly> zetheroo: WHICH JOBS
2312 [14:55:31] <jelly> zetheroo: what do they do? How do they fail?
2313 [14:55:55] <zetheroo> jelly, sorry I don't have all that info available now
2314 [14:56:03] *** Quits: sbasso (~sbasso@replaced-ip ) (Remote host closed the connection)
2315 [14:56:13] <zetheroo> I was just wondering if I was right to think that mysql was the culprit
2316 [14:56:27] <zetheroo> which it seems it is
2317 [14:56:33] <jelly> no, you don't have all the info to draw any conclusion
2318 [14:56:55] <zetheroo> jelly, but isn't it whats using up the memory?
2319 [14:57:20] <at0m|c> zetheroo: have you even read about cached memory?
2320 [14:57:33] *** Quits: KidBeta (~textual@replaced-ip ) (Client Quit)
2321 [14:57:35] <at0m|c> zetheroo: 5 people suggested you do.
2322 [14:57:36] *** Joins: bsurfer (~bsurfer@replaced-ip )
2323 [14:57:49] <zetheroo> yes, I have ... and at what point does it help me?
2324 [14:57:50] *** Joins: KidBeta (~textual@replaced-ip )
2325 [14:57:58] *** Joins: ruslan_m (~rmstoi@replaced-ip )
2326 [14:58:05] *** Quits: KidBeta (~textual@replaced-ip ) (Client Quit)
2327 [14:58:06] <at0m|c> it could help you conclude it's not a memory issue
2328 [14:58:58] *** Joins: HugsWontletgo (~HugsWontl@replaced-ip )
2329 [14:59:06] <zetheroo> I mean if I want to give this system 10GB of memory ... but cannot because the performance is so abysmal that jobs fail to conclude or run at all ... but then with 20GB of memory it's all good ... seems to be a memory usage issue, and cached memory not being freed as is needed ...
2330 [14:59:27] *** Joins: evilQ (82ce9ebb@replaced-ip )
2331 [14:59:31] <jelly> zetheroo: it's hard to say without more info
2332 [14:59:39] <teraflops> zetheroo: free memory is wasted memory
2333 [15:00:12] *** Quits: clonewar (~joujou@replaced-ip ) (Remote host closed the connection)
2334 [15:00:43] <evilQ> Hi, my debian boots, but cinnamon wont load and seems like frozen after identifying myself... Any idea how I can proceed to fix the issue?
2335 [15:00:47] <petn-randall> zetheroo: Your system has 18GB of "free" (cache) memory. You're drawing the wrong conclusions. You have to gather the info jelly asked for to debug the issue. Anything else is discussing hypotheticals, it won't get us anywhere.
2336 [15:00:50] <zetheroo> teraflops: not if it's free for when you need it - like on a system where you have memory-intensive jobs that run maybe once an hour for 10 minutes ... then you need free memory
2337 [15:01:15] <zetheroo> and I keep hearing that if it's cached it's 'free' ... right ...
2338 [15:01:19] <jelly> zetheroo: linux kernel does not work that way
2339 [15:01:28] <petn-randall> zetheroo: Then the cache gets dropped instantly and the memory allocated to the process.
2340 [15:01:46] <zetheroo> petn-randall: that is precisely what I don't see happening
2341 [15:01:59] <zetheroo> but I guess I cannot test on this system :P
2342 [15:02:12] <petn-randall> zetheroo: From which data do you take this conclusion?
2343 [15:02:26] <jelly> from output of vmstat that he didn't run
2344 [15:02:34] <petn-randall> zetheroo: ^^^
2345 [15:02:51] *** Joins: willingc (~willingc@replaced-ip )
2346 [15:02:55] <zetheroo> well if it's instantly dropped and allocated to the process one would think that the process would run successfully ...
2347 [15:03:16] <jelly> don't think. Measure.
2348 [15:03:23] <zetheroo> jelly vmstat on the system replaced-url
2349 [15:03:25] <sleepyhead> zetheroo: what process? does it output an error message when it fails?
2350 [15:03:44] *** Quits: skazoo (~skazoo@replaced-ip ) (Quit: leaving)
2351 [15:04:02] <petn-randall> zetheroo: That is not what jelly asked for ...
2352 [15:04:04] <sleepyhead> zetheroo: if it was a memory issue there'd be error messages from the kernel OOM killer.
2353 [15:04:12] *** Joins: drgx2x (~drgx2x@replaced-ip )
2354 [15:04:33] <jelly> zetheroo: keep it running. Show a couple dozen lines when everything works, and a couple dozen lines while you're having issues
2355 [15:04:59] *** Joins: rrehbein (~rrehbein@replaced-ip )
2356 [15:05:02] <zetheroo> jelly, I cannot make it have issues ... it's productive :)
2357 [15:05:03] <jelly> zetheroo: a single line is useless (and the first line is usually wrong)
2358 [15:05:11] <petn-randall> "vmstat" is not the same as "vmstat 1". You want the latter.
2359 [15:05:12] <jelly> zetheroo: so you don't have issues?
2360 [15:05:13] *** Parts: drgx2x (~drgx2x@replaced-ip )
2361 [15:05:17] <jelly> problem solved
2362 [15:05:20] <jelly> !next
2363 [15:05:21] <dpkg> Another happy customer leaves the building.
2364 [15:05:28] <sleepyhead> jelly: what flavour are you?
2365 [15:05:30] *** Joins: drgx2x (~drgx2x@replaced-ip )
2366 [15:05:46] <zetheroo> jelly: the issue is this system is hogging 20 GB of memory from the host ... (PVE)
2367 [15:05:56] <petn-randall> ...
2368 [15:06:07] <jelly> zetheroo: so you DO have issues after all then?
2369 [15:06:34] <jelly> zetheroo: schedule downtime, then replicate the issues at that time.
2370 [15:06:35] *** Quits: deaninous (~Guccifera@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2371 [15:06:44] <jelly> then show relevant info
2372 [15:06:53] *** Quits: HugsWontletgo (~HugsWontl@replaced-ip ) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2373 [15:07:11] *** Joins: dr_light (~jt_harkey@replaced-ip )
2374 [15:07:15] *** Joins: circ-user-qv6hX (~circuser-@replaced-ip )
2375 [15:07:17] <jelly> zetheroo: notice that you can take relevant info for the baseline ("when things work") right now
2376 [15:07:26] <zetheroo> if I can schedule downtime it would be during a time when no jobs are required to run ... hence no jobs will be running anyhow
2377 [15:07:45] *** Quits: drgx2x (~drgx2x@replaced-ip ) (Remote host closed the connection)
2378 [15:07:45] *** Joins: The_Loko (~The_Loko@replaced-ip )
2379 [15:08:08] <sleepyhead> zetheroo: quite the bind you are in.
2380 [15:08:09] *** Joins: earendel (~earendel@replaced-ip )
2381 [15:08:16] <earendel> hi .. question: those images below in that list replaced-url
2382 [15:08:19] <zetheroo> yep :D
2383 [15:08:47] <earendel> zetheroo: @ me?
2384 [15:08:58] <zetheroo> earendel: nope
2385 [15:09:01] *** Joins: herbmillerjr (~herbmille@replaced-ip )
2386 [15:09:01] *** Joins: mibo (~mibo@replaced-ip )
2387 [15:09:07] <earendel> aww
2388 [15:09:32] <sleepyhead> earendel: >There are different versions of CD #1 here to allow for a choice of default desktop on installation, e.g. debian-something-kde-CD-1 contains the core pieces of the KDE desktop and will default to installing that desktop when used. The default desktop installed using debian-something-CD-1 is Gnome.
2389 [15:09:35] <jelly> zetheroo: if you want help with your _technical_ issue, please reproduce it first. Your policy issue in reproducing your tech issue is, honestly, not #debian's problem
2390 [15:09:37] <petn-randall> earendel: Those are installation images with different defaults on them.
2391 [15:10:08] <zetheroo> jelly: alright - thanks
2392 [15:10:26] <petn-randall> earendel: In 95% of the cases I'd just take the netinst, assuming you have an internet connection during installation.
2393 [15:10:36] <jelly> zetheroo: which debian release is this, btw? Are you running any custom software component, like custom kernel?
2394 [15:10:37] *** Joins: robouk (~manjaro-k@replaced-ip )
2395 [15:10:51] <zetheroo> jelly: I rekon it's wheezy
2396 [15:10:57] <jelly> !debian suite
2397 [15:10:57] <dpkg> cat /etc/debian_version (or lsb_release -sc). Or check /etc/apt/sources.list. If unsure about the distribution, $ cat /etc/{*version*,*release*,*issue*} should grab almost all distributions.
2398 [15:10:57] <zetheroo> nothing custom
2399 [15:11:09] *** Joins: HugsWontletgo (~HugsWontl@replaced-ip )
2400 [15:11:12] <jelly> zetheroo: what does "uname -a" say
2401 [15:11:26] <earendel> i hope there are not just the core pieces of the desktop systems without installation basics
2402 [15:11:29] <zetheroo> Linux rana 3.2.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.2.81-1 x86_64 GNU/Linux
2403 [15:11:48] <zetheroo> jelly^
2404 [15:11:52] <jelly> yeah, that's a wheezy kernel. About a year unpatched
2405 [15:12:01] *** debhelper sets mode: +l 1711
2406 [15:12:18] <earendel> i have chosen already lxde.. my traffic is limited and i have only a webstick.. and that fucking provider kills me.
2407 [15:13:12] *** Joins: kzimmermann (~username@replaced-ip )
2408 [15:13:29] <earendel> (its very hard to book a dayflat) .. thx petn-randall .. sleepyhead
2409 [15:13:32] *** Quits: deemel (~deemel@replaced-ip ) (Quit: Leaving)
2410 [15:14:13] <earendel> i guess i wont be able to do netinst without grabbing some extra software from the net for that webstick
2411 [15:14:58] *** Quits: h1t3sh (~h1t3sh@replaced-ip ) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2412 [15:15:01] <petn-randall> earendel: In that case, you could download the common CD set from where you can do it for free, then just provide them during installation, and just download the remaining packages (if any) over your expensive connection at home.
2413 [15:15:32] <earendel> the common cd set like... the 8 cds?
2414 [15:15:36] <earendel> :o
2415 [15:15:45] <teraflops> iirc cd1 ships the DE
2416 [15:16:05] <petn-randall> earendel: It's sorted by how commonly used it is though, so you're probably well suited with just the first 3.
2417 [15:16:06] *** Quits: _m8 (~m8@replaced-ip ) (Changing host)
2418 [15:16:06] *** Joins: _m8 (~m8@replaced-ip )
2419 [15:16:10] *** _m8 is now known as m8
2420 [15:16:29] *** Joins: WoodLeg (~WoodLeg@replaced-ip )
2421 [15:16:48] <cheapie> I made an ISO with all packages on one disc once. That was fun :P
2422 [15:16:53] *** Joins: Ricardo__ (~rick@replaced-ip )
2423 [15:17:02] <earendel> ok. so lxde cd 1 will give me nothing?
2424 [15:17:23] <cheapie> (ended up being like 70GB)
2425 [15:17:43] <petn-randall> There are DVDs and bluray images, too.
2426 [15:17:49] *** Quits: techping (~techping@replaced-ip ) (Remote host closed the connection)
2427 [15:17:49] <earendel> please say i will be able to install at least so much as with netinst
2428 [15:17:57] <earendel> lie to me! :)
2429 [15:18:04] <earendel> fuck\
2430 [15:18:32] <earendel> i will need gammu to connect
2431 [15:18:34] <petn-randall> earendel: You can get a bootable installation just with netinst. But in that case it's not much more.
2432 [15:18:41] *** Quits: Vizva (~max@replaced-ip ) (Remote host closed the connection)
2433 [15:18:47] *** Joins: sebastianlutter (~sebastian@replaced-ip )
2434 [15:18:58] <earendel> but;.. can u tell me if lxde is netinst +
2435 [15:19:06] <petn-randall> earendel: If you want to install completely offline, just download the 3 DVDs (~14 GB)
2436 [15:19:26] *** Quits: aZz7eCh (~aZz7eCh@replaced-ip ) (Quit: Leaving)
2437 [15:19:42] <earendel> because i was hanging around in ##debian and nobody answered and its almost completely downloaded via expensive connection.
2438 [15:20:40] <earendel> you know gammu? is there such a thing for debian?
2439 [15:21:02] <jelly> gammu and wammu are packaged for debian
2440 [15:21:22] <jelly> ,v gammu
2441 [15:21:23] <judd> Package: gammu on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.31.90-1+b1; jessie: 1.33.0-3; stretch: 1.38.1-1; sid: 1.38.1-1
2442 [15:21:42] <earendel> what was the install command for debia again? im afraid ill be disconnected every moment
2443 [15:21:51] <earendel> thx guys .. for all the help
2444 [15:22:07] <earendel> i promise i wont bother with trivialities in the future
2445 [15:22:11] <jelly> apt-get install stuff
2446 [15:22:17] <earendel> thx! <3
2447 [15:22:49] *** Joins: jvelasquez (~jvelasque@replaced-ip )
2448 [15:23:01] *** Quits: RebelCoderRU (~Yuriy@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)
2449 [15:23:54] <jelly> lo, why is there a ##debian
2450 [15:25:33] <jelly> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
2451 [15:25:49] <earendel> its not populated..mistaken and didnt bother i guess.
2452 [15:25:51] <zetheroo> is there a way to see what is using the cache?
2453 [15:26:19] <zetheroo> or does that question not even make sense? :D
2454 [15:27:16] *** Joins: heraclitusq (~heraclitu@replaced-ip )
2455 [15:27:44] <spacemn> zetheroo: you are going in the wrong direction, you need instrumentation to log system resources usage 24/7, then you can reason about issues
2456 [15:30:30] *** Quits: The_Loko (~The_Loko@replaced-ip ) (Quit: Leaving)
2457 [15:30:54] *** Quits: WoodLeg (~WoodLeg@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2458 [15:31:27] *** Quits: ShapeShifter499 (~ShapeShif@replaced-ip ) (Quit: Leaving)
2459 [15:31:38] *** Joins: Dreaman (~deb@replaced-ip )
2460 [15:31:53] *** Joins: AndroUser (~ralinux@replaced-ip )
2461 [15:31:59] *** Quits: AndroUser (~ralinux@replaced-ip ) (Client Quit)
2462 [15:32:39] *** Joins: rockstar[x] (~rockstar@replaced-ip )
2463 [15:33:16] *** Quits: ralinux (~ralinux@replaced-ip ) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2464 [15:34:37] *** Joins: ralinux (~ralinux@replaced-ip )
2465 [15:35:14] *** Joins: shinnya (~shinnya@replaced-ip )
2466 [15:35:18] *** Quits: ralinux (~ralinux@replaced-ip ) (Remote host closed the connection)
2467 [15:35:24] *** Joins: dermoth (~thomas@replaced-ip )
2468 [15:35:25] *** Quits: macartur (~macartur@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)
2469 [15:35:50] *** Joins: ralinux (~ralinux@replaced-ip )
2470 [15:36:52] *** Quits: AlexPortable (uid7568@replaced-ip ) (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity)
2471 [15:36:53] *** Quits: Merixer (~Merixer@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)
2472 [15:38:15] *** Joins: xakotu (~dalim@replaced-ip )
2473 [15:38:27] *** Joins: macartur (~macartur@replaced-ip )
2474 [15:39:07] *** Joins: Merixer (~Merixer@replaced-ip )
2475 [15:39:10] *** Quits: bsurfer (~bsurfer@replaced-ip ) (Remote host closed the connection)
2476 [15:39:26] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o eir
2477 [15:39:28] *** eir sets mode: -qo *!*@90-64-55-101.dynamic.orange.sk eir
2478 [15:39:53] *** Joins: cereal_poster (~Cereal@replaced-ip )
2479 [15:40:17] *** Quits: Cabanossi (~Cabanossi@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
2480 [15:41:19] *** Joins: Cabanossi (~Cabanossi@replaced-ip )
2481 [15:42:08] <JonathanD> /252
2482 [15:42:44] *** Quits: sleepyhead (~sleepyhea@replaced-ip ) (Quit: terminated!)
2483 [15:44:00] *** Quits: vonsyd0w (~vonsyd0w@replaced-ip ) (Quit: Leaving)
2484 [15:44:06] *** Joins: makr__ (~makr@replaced-ip )
2485 [15:46:20] *** Quits: savantgarde (~savantgar@replaced-ip ) (Remote host closed the connection)
2486 [15:46:37] *** Joins: savantgarde (~savantgar@replaced-ip )
2487 [15:46:46] *** Joins: xet7 (~xet7@replaced-ip )
2488 [15:47:07] *** Quits: savantgarde (~savantgar@replaced-ip ) (Remote host closed the connection)
2489 [15:47:20] *** Quits: notebox (~textual@replaced-ip ) (Quit: My Mac Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…)
2490 [15:47:47] *** Joins: savantgarde (~savantgar@replaced-ip )
2491 [15:47:55] *** Quits: savantgarde (~savantgar@replaced-ip ) (Remote host closed the connection)
2492 [15:48:42] *** Joins: savantgarde (~savantgar@replaced-ip )
2493 [15:48:43] *** Quits: savantgarde (~savantgar@replaced-ip ) (Remote host closed the connection)
2494 [15:49:31] *** Quits: stikn (d5fe4e5f@replaced-ip##) (Quit: ##replaced-url
2495 [15:49:32] *** Joins: debian (~debian@replaced-ip )
2496 [15:49:54] *** debian is now known as Guest91251
2497 [15:50:10] *** Quits: Guest91251 (~debian@replaced-ip ) (Client Quit)
2498 [15:50:56] *** Joins: notebox (~textual@replaced-ip )
2499 [15:53:36] *** Quits: star (~star@replaced-ip ) (Quit: star)
2500 [15:54:04] *** Joins: jackNemrod_ (~Thunderbi@replaced-ip )
2501 [15:54:04] *** Parts: zetheroo (~eb@replaced-ip )
2502 [15:55:24] *** Quits: jackNemrod (~Thunderbi@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2503 [15:55:24] *** jackNemrod_ is now known as jackNemrod
2504 [15:55:58] *** Quits: Jacob843 (~Jacob843@replaced-ip ) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2505 [15:56:23] *** Quits: Butt3rfly (Butt3rfly@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)
2506 [15:56:28] *** Joins: Jacob843 (~Jacob843@replaced-ip )
2507 [15:58:04] *** Joins: Butt3rfly (Butt3rfly@replaced-ip )
2508 [15:58:04] *** Quits: Butt3rfly (Butt3rfly@replaced-ip ) (Changing host)
2509 [15:58:04] *** Joins: Butt3rfly (Butt3rfly@replaced-ip )
2510 [15:58:53] *** Quits: ralinux (~ralinux@replaced-ip ) (Quit: Go to Slzzp)
2511 [16:02:18] *** Quits: gluytium (U2FsdGVkX1@replaced-ip ) (Remote host closed the connection)
2512 [16:02:49] *** Quits: roshanavand (~Thunderbi@replaced-ip ) (Quit: roshanavand)
2513 [16:03:16] *** Joins: roshanavand (~Thunderbi@replaced-ip )
2514 [16:04:00] *** Quits: StathisA (~StathisA@replaced-ip ) (Quit: bb)
2515 [16:04:16] *** Quits: Rubin (~rubin@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2516 [16:07:12] *** Joins: sag3 (~O@replaced-ip )
2517 [16:08:11] *** djz88 is now known as zz_djz88
2518 [16:08:52] *** Quits: overlord_tm (~andraz@replaced-ip ) (Remote host closed the connection)
2519 [16:10:46] *** Quits: dec0n (~dec0n@replaced-ip ) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2520 [16:12:01] *** debhelper sets mode: +l 1703
2521 [16:12:39] *** Quits: xakotu (~dalim@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2522 [16:12:45] *** Joins: sbasso (~sbasso@replaced-ip )
2523 [16:12:49] *** Quits: deznuts (uid92154@replaced-ip ) (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity)
2524 [16:14:11] *** Quits: Cerise (jerry@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
2525 [16:15:27] *** Quits: ArchDuke (~ArchDuke@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2526 [16:15:36] *** Joins: Cerise (jerry@replaced-ip )
2527 [16:15:37] *** Quits: Cerise (jerry@replaced-ip ) (Changing host)
2528 [16:15:37] *** Joins: Cerise (jerry@replaced-ip )
2529 [16:16:05] *** Quits: remo (~user@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2530 [16:16:42] *** Joins: Rubin (rubin@replaced-ip )
2531 [16:16:46] *** Quits: bcd (~bcd@replaced-ip##) (Quit: ZNC 1.6.5 - ##replaced-url
2532 [16:16:49] *** Quits: Doldge (~callum@replaced-ip ) (Quit: WeeChat 1.8)
2533 [16:16:49] *** Joins: remo (~user@replaced-ip )
2534 [16:16:57] *** Joins: AlexPortable (uid7568@replaced-ip )
2535 [16:17:03] *** zz_djz88 is now known as djz88
2536 [16:19:27] *** Quits: Drzacek (~Drzacek@replaced-ip ) (Quit: Leaving)
2537 [16:19:37] *** Quits: nikoma (~nikoma@replaced-ip ) (Remote host closed the connection)
2538 [16:19:50] *** Joins: fax (~fax@replaced-ip )
2539 [16:20:22] *** Joins: Zvmdyv (nnn@replaced-ip )
2540 [16:21:33] *** Quits: rockstar[x] (~rockstar@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2541 [16:21:43] *** Quits: feneco (uid135851@replaced-ip ) (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity)
2542 [16:22:25] *** Joins: nano (~nano@replaced-ip )
2543 [16:22:47] *** Quits: js9600 (~jsdk@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)
2544 [16:23:56] *** Joins: bsurfer (~bsurfer@replaced-ip )
2545 [16:24:09] *** Joins: HarveyPwca (~HarveyPwc@replaced-ip )
2546 [16:24:57] *** Quits: earendel (~earendel@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2547 [16:25:00] *** Parts: nano (~nano@replaced-ip )
2548 [16:25:34] *** Quits: Cabanossi (~Cabanossi@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
2549 [16:25:41] *** Quits: fcn (~fcn@replaced-ip ) (Remote host closed the connection)
2550 [16:25:52] *** Joins: Cabanossi (~Cabanossi@replaced-ip )
2551 [16:26:08] *** Quits: evilQ (82ce9ebb@replaced-ip ) (Quit: Page closed)
2552 [16:26:23] *** Parts: circ-user-qv6hX (~circuser-@replaced-ip )
2553 [16:28:01] *** Joins: WoodLeg (~WoodLeg@replaced-ip )
2554 [16:30:18] *** Quits: oberling (~oberling@replaced-ip ) (Quit: reboot)
2555 [16:30:52] *** Quits: kalipso (~kalipso@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2556 [16:32:00] *** debhelper sets mode: +l 1695
2557 [16:32:04] *** Joins: bolovanos (~bolovanos@replaced-ip )
2558 [16:33:54] *** Quits: Plouescat (~Plouescat@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2559 [16:34:56] *** Quits: Brigo (~Brigo@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)
2560 [16:36:01] *** Joins: oberling (~oberling@replaced-ip )
2561 [16:38:04] *** Joins: arny91 (~arny91@replaced-ip )
2562 [16:38:17] *** Quits: heraclitusq (~heraclitu@replaced-ip ) ()
2563 [16:40:25] *** Quits: Merixer (~Merixer@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
2564 [16:40:46] *** Quits: APexil (~you@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
2565 [16:40:48] <wyre> I've done "sudo dpkg --add-architecture i396" by error
2566 [16:40:48] *** Quits: cnu- (~u@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2567 [16:40:49] <wyre> how can I revert that?
2568 [16:41:09] <bezaban> --remove-architecture
2569 [16:41:19] *** Quits: hiya (hiya@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)
2570 [16:41:48] <wyre> thanks bezaban
2571 [16:42:04] *** Joins: DrBob (~boob@replaced-ip )
2572 [16:42:06] *** Joins: kalipso (~kalipso@replaced-ip )
2573 [16:42:14] *** Quits: Cl0udN9ne (~OtakuSenp@replaced-ip ) (Quit: Onto my worldly chores...)
2574 [16:42:24] *** Quits: WoodLeg (~WoodLeg@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2575 [16:42:38] *** Joins: Cl0udN9ne (~OtakuSenp@replaced-ip )
2576 [16:42:57] *** Quits: gryffus (~gryffus@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2577 [16:43:27] *** Joins: onee-chan (~onee-chan@replaced-ip )
2578 [16:43:44] <onee-chan> hello
2579 [16:43:49] *** Joins: overlord_tm (~andraz@replaced-ip )
2580 [16:44:00] *** Joins: ZeroBeholder (~ZeroBehol@replaced-ip )
2581 [16:44:34] *** Hooloo42 is now known as Hoolootwo
2582 [16:44:42] *** Quits: betandr_ (~betandr@replaced-ip ) (Remote host closed the connection)
2583 [16:45:34] *** Quits: bvdk (~bvdkfreen@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2584 [16:45:34] *** Joins: maotm (~mao@replaced-ip )
2585 [16:45:57] *** Quits: redeemed (~rd@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2586 [16:46:26] *** Quits: super_gollum (~ich@replaced-ip ) (Quit: Ex-Chat)
2587 [16:46:35] *** Quits: bzyku (~bzyk@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2588 [16:47:43] *** Quits: Pjusur (~Pjusur@replaced-ip ) (Quit: Leaving)
2589 [16:48:10] *** Joins: Merixer (~Merixer@replaced-ip )
2590 [16:48:15] *** Quits: suffer (znc@replaced-ip ) (Max SendQ exceeded)
2591 [16:48:28] *** Joins: suffer (znc@replaced-ip )
2592 [16:48:34] *** Joins: cnu- (~u@replaced-ip )
2593 [16:48:39] *** Joins: tkla (~tklassen@replaced-ip )
2594 [16:48:47] <tkla> Hey there
2595 [16:49:05] <tkla> Anyone who can help me with the samba_backup script in Debian?
2596 [16:49:25] <tkla> I tried to use it but it keeps saying that he won´t create an emtpy archive
2597 [16:50:23] *** Joins: hiya (hiya@replaced-ip )
2598 [16:50:42] *** Joins: savantgarde (~savantgar@replaced-ip )
2599 [16:51:05] *** Quits: novoPOLO (~alex@replaced-ip ) (Quit: Leaving)
2600 [16:51:09] *** Quits: datasmurf (~datasmurf@replaced-ip ) (Quit: WeeChat 1.7.1)
2601 [16:51:18] *** Quits: cdown (~cdown@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2602 [16:52:09] *** Quits: willingc (~willingc@replaced-ip##) (Quit: Textual IRC Client: ##replaced-url
2603 [16:52:30] *** Quits: Zorroness (~Zorroness@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)
2604 [16:52:30] <onee-chan> When I asked people when Stretch will be released they were all saying like august or september... And I was always thinking like June, maybe July... Well I guess I was right :P
2605 [16:53:28] *** Quits: adoua (~adoua@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2606 [16:53:29] *** Joins: Circuitsoft (4b92a52b@replaced-ip )
2607 [16:53:45] *** Joins: cdown (~cdown@replaced-ip )
2608 [16:54:05] <Circuitsoft> Hello, on Jessie, just now, "dpkg-query -L openjdk-7-jdk | fgrep /usr/share/doc/openjdk-7-jre-headless/test-amd64/ | wc -l" gave me 106565. Why are the tests installed with the jdk?
2609 [16:55:02] *** Joins: APexil (~you@replaced-ip )
2610 [16:55:26] *** Quits: savantgarde (~savantgar@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
2611 [16:55:31] *** Joins: JLye (~Jlye03@replaced-ip )
2612 [16:57:40] *** Quits: tx (~texta@replaced-ip ) (Excess Flood)
2613 [16:57:48] *** Joins: Simbaclaws (~auriga@replaced-ip )
2614 [16:58:06] *** Joins: eternal-pain (~eternal-p@replaced-ip )
2615 [16:58:08] *** Joins: bast (~bast@replaced-ip )
2616 [16:58:12] *** Joins: tx (~texta@replaced-ip )
2617 [16:58:14] *** Quits: tx (~texta@replaced-ip ) (Max SendQ exceeded)
2618 [16:59:17] *** Quits: macartur (~macartur@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)
2619 [16:59:28] <wyre> I'm getting issues with steam in Stretch
2620 [16:59:29] <wyre> I cannot startup
2621 [16:59:30] <wyre> I get "Fatal Error : Failed to load steamui.so"
2622 [16:59:32] <wyre> any idea about?
2623 [17:00:42] *** Joins: tx (~texta@replaced-ip )
2624 [17:00:44] *** Quits: tx (~texta@replaced-ip ) (Max SendQ exceeded)
2625 [17:01:05] *** Quits: jubo2 (~juboxi@replaced-ip ) (Quit: Konversation terminated!)
2626 [17:01:35] *** Quits: Nach0z (~nach0z@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2627 [17:02:51] *** Joins: kpease (~kpease@replaced-ip )
2628 [17:03:13] *** Joins: tx (~texta@replaced-ip )
2629 [17:03:14] *** Quits: tx (~texta@replaced-ip ) (Max SendQ exceeded)
2630 [17:03:20] *** Quits: Circuitsoft (4b92a52b@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2631 [17:04:06] *** Joins: forgotmynick (uid24625@replaced-ip )
2632 [17:04:51] *** Quits: Speed2u_ (~speed2u@replaced-ip ) (Remote host closed the connection)
2633 [17:04:57] *** Quits: ogny (~orkun@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2634 [17:05:11] *** Joins: Speed2u (~speed2u@replaced-ip )
2635 [17:05:13] *** Joins: tx (~texta@replaced-ip )
2636 [17:05:14] *** Quits: tx (~texta@replaced-ip ) (Max SendQ exceeded)
2637 [17:06:28] *** Joins: Zorroness (~Zorroness@replaced-ip )
2638 [17:06:54] *** Quits: bast (~bast@replaced-ip ) (Quit: Acient wisdom Valuable like gift of golds .)
2639 [17:07:05] *** Joins: jason85 (~spacedog@replaced-ip )
2640 [17:07:13] *** Joins: tx (~texta@replaced-ip )
2641 [17:07:14] *** Quits: tx (~texta@replaced-ip ) (Max SendQ exceeded)
2642 [17:07:21] *** Quits: srtu (~hypnotoad@replaced-ip ) (Remote host closed the connection)
2643 [17:07:24] *** Quits: cereal_poster (~Cereal@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2644 [17:08:19] *** Quits: conta (~Thunderbi@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)
2645 [17:08:20] *** Quits: High_Priest (~hp@replaced-ip ) (Quit: Leaving)
2646 [17:08:52] *** Quits: rypervenche (~rypervenc@replaced-ip ) (Quit: reboot)
2647 [17:08:55] *** gftg is now known as gftg_away
2648 [17:09:13] *** Joins: tx (~texta@replaced-ip )
2649 [17:09:14] *** Quits: tx (~texta@replaced-ip ) (Max SendQ exceeded)
2650 [17:09:45] *** Joins: kupi (uid212005@replaced-ip )
2651 [17:10:24] *** Quits: aaro (~aaro@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2652 [17:12:01] *** debhelper sets mode: +l 1686
2653 [17:12:23] *** Quits: BluesKaj (~kaj@replaced-ip ) (Quit: Konversation terminated!)
2654 [17:13:20] *** Quits: Haudegen (~quassel@replaced-ip ) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2655 [17:13:24] *** Quits: GDiaX (~gdiax@replaced-ip ) (Quit: Leaving)
2656 [17:13:27] *** Joins: fr0tzed (~fr0tzed@replaced-ip )
2657 [17:13:34] *** Joins: magyar (~magyar@replaced-ip )
2658 [17:13:58] *** Quits: magyar_ (~magyar@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2659 [17:14:02] *** Joins: Nach0z (~nach0z@replaced-ip )
2660 [17:14:02] *** Quits: Nach0z (~nach0z@replaced-ip ) (Changing host)
2661 [17:14:02] *** Joins: Nach0z (~nach0z@replaced-ip )
2662 [17:16:12] *** Quits: pijiu3 (~pijiu@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)
2663 [17:16:36] *** Joins: urzds (~quassel@replaced-ip )
2664 [17:16:46] *** Joins: CapsAdmin (~CapsAdmin@replaced-ip )
2665 [17:16:48] *** Joins: simpledat (~user@replaced-ip )
2666 [17:17:26] *** Joins: Makeeter (~FF@replaced-ip )
2667 [17:18:43] *** Quits: Dreaman (~deb@replaced-ip ) (Quit: Leaving)
2668 [17:19:00] *** Joins: bast (~Bastet@replaced-ip )
2669 [17:19:10] *** Joins: cvcxc (~cvcxc@replaced-ip )
2670 [17:19:12] *** Joins: rypervenche (~rypervenc@replaced-ip )
2671 [17:19:52] *** Quits: sebastianlutter (~sebastian@replaced-ip ) (Quit: Leaving)
2672 [17:20:08] *** Quits: renzhi (~renzhi@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2673 [17:20:26] *** Quits: glick (~deb@replaced-ip ) (Quit: leaving)
2674 [17:20:32] *** Joins: Dreaman (~deb@replaced-ip )
2675 [17:20:47] *** Joins: greycat (~wooledg@replaced-ip )
2676 [17:20:56] *** Joins: Vizva (~max@replaced-ip )
2677 [17:21:49] *** Joins: Haudegen (~quassel@replaced-ip )
2678 [17:22:23] *** Quits: sbasso (~sbasso@replaced-ip ) (Remote host closed the connection)
2679 [17:23:17] *** Joins: BluesKaj (~Blues@replaced-ip )
2680 [17:23:21] *** Quits: Cabanossi (~Cabanossi@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
2681 [17:23:35] *** Joins: handicraftsman (~handicraf@replaced-ip )
2682 [17:23:43] *** Parts: handicraftsman (~handicraf@replaced-ip )
2683 [17:24:32] *** Quits: roshanavand (~Thunderbi@replaced-ip ) (Remote host closed the connection)
2684 [17:25:01] *** Joins: hagridaaron (~hagridaar@replaced-ip )
2685 [17:26:14] *** Joins: Cabanossi (~Cabanossi@replaced-ip )
2686 [17:26:20] <wyre> I cannot mount/umount volumes from nautilus in Stretch :(
2687 [17:27:29] *** Quits: Simbaclaws (~auriga@replaced-ip ) (Quit: WeeChat 1.6)
2688 [17:28:05] <petn-randall> wyre: What kind of mount is it?
2689 [17:29:29] *** Quits: notebox (~textual@replaced-ip ) (Quit: My Mac Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…)
2690 [17:29:51] *** Parts: LordCow (~lordcow@replaced-ip )
2691 [17:30:46] *** Joins: sbasso (~sbasso@replaced-ip )
2692 [17:31:24] *** Joins: cereal_poster (~Cereal@replaced-ip )
2693 [17:33:17] *** Joins: crayxmp (~crayxmp@replaced-ip )
2694 [17:34:35] *** Quits: jason85 (~spacedog@replaced-ip ) (Quit: Leaving)
2695 [17:34:47] *** Quits: Devastator (~Devastato@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)
2696 [17:37:34] *** Quits: magnulu (~magnulu@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)
2697 [17:37:53] *** Quits: SaschaVoid (~Void@replaced-ip ) (Quit: die();)
2698 [17:38:31] *** Quits: erabti____ (~erabti@replaced-ip ) (Remote host closed the connection)
2699 [17:39:00] *** Joins: DeadTOm (~quassel@replaced-ip )
2700 [17:39:13] *** Joins: erabti____ (~erabti@replaced-ip )
2701 [17:39:28] *** Quits: czesmir (~stefan@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2702 [17:39:30] *** Quits: sbasso (~sbasso@replaced-ip ) (Remote host closed the connection)
2703 [17:40:03] <grady> replaced-url
2704 [17:40:24] *** Joins: aaro (~aaro@replaced-ip )
2705 [17:41:32] *** Joins: Violinist (~Violinist@replaced-ip )
2706 [17:42:27] *** Quits: kzimmermann (~username@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)
2707 [17:42:39] *** Quits: Madda (~Madda@replaced-ip##) (Quit: Textual IRC Client: ##replaced-url
2708 [17:42:54] *** Quits: chele (~chele@replaced-ip ) (Quit: Leaving)
2709 [17:43:07] *** Joins: czesmir (~stefan@replaced-ip )
2710 [17:43:09] *** Joins: notebox (~textual@replaced-ip )
2711 [17:43:12] *** Joins: mtn (~mtn@replaced-ip )
2712 [17:43:54] *** Quits: domovoy (~domovoy@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2713 [17:44:35] *** Quits: Ricardo__ (~rick@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2714 [17:44:35] *** Joins: Nnavd (~Nnavd@replaced-ip )
2715 [17:44:53] *** Quits: fizzOuNet (jupaname@replaced-ip ) (K-Lined)
2716 [17:45:14] *** Quits: m8 (~m8@replaced-ip ) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2717 [17:46:38] *** Quits: lg188 (~lg188@replaced-ip ) (Quit: leaving)
2718 [17:46:56] *** Parts: smontschi (mechfrog@replaced-ip )
2719 [17:47:09] *** Quits: bast (~Bastet@replaced-ip ) (Changing host)
2720 [17:47:09] *** Joins: bast (~Bastet@replaced-ip )
2721 [17:47:36] *** Joins: kyan (~kyan@replaced-ip )
2722 [17:47:47] *** Joins: WoodLeg (~WoodLeg@replaced-ip )
2723 [17:48:08] *** Joins: ChmEarl (~chmearl@replaced-ip )
2724 [17:48:34] *** Joins: polysics (~polysics@replaced-ip )
2725 [17:48:53] <polysics> hello! how do I add a single kernel module that is not currently installed?
2726 [17:49:11] *** Quits: tkla (~tklassen@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)
2727 [17:49:20] <greycat> Is it packaged in Debian?
2728 [17:49:38] *** Joins: bzyku (~bzyk@replaced-ip )
2729 [17:50:01] *** Quits: cdown (~cdown@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
2730 [17:50:01] *** Parts: sijis1 (~sijis@replaced-ip )
2731 [17:50:14] *** Joins: bDreadz (~bDreadz@replaced-ip )
2732 [17:50:47] *** Joins: fizzOuNet (jupaname@replaced-ip )
2733 [17:50:50] <polysics> I tried searching apt for "multitouch" but did not turn up anything
2734 [17:50:53] *** SugoiBeans is now known as SugoiBeats
2735 [17:51:03] <polysics> it's Device Drivers/HID/Special/HID Multitouch Panels
2736 [17:51:21] *** Quits: simpledat (~user@replaced-ip ) (Quit: leaving)
2737 [17:51:28] *** SugoiBeats is now known as SugoiBeans
2738 [17:51:32] *** Quits: fizzOuNet (jupaname@replaced-ip ) (K-Lined)
2739 [17:51:44] <polysics> I can see it not selected in make menuconfig but that is pretty much all I know how to do
2740 [17:51:57] <polysics> I could build an entire new kernel, but isn't that overkill?
2741 [17:52:14] *** Joins: sphenxes (~sphenxes@replaced-ip )
2742 [17:53:27] <Walex> polysics: find /lib/modules/ -name '*multito*'
2743 [17:54:18] *** Quits: erabti____ (~erabti@replaced-ip ) (Remote host closed the connection)
2744 [17:54:38] <Walex> polysics: apt-get install apt-file; apt-file update; apt-file search multitouch | grep '^/lib/kernel'
2745 [17:54:52] <polysics> Walex: I have something indeed
2746 [17:54:57] *** Joins: erabti____ (~erabti@replaced-ip )
2747 [17:55:11] *** Quits: Cabanossi (~Cabanossi@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
2748 [17:55:37] *** Joins: datasmurf (~datasmurf@replaced-ip )
2749 [17:55:39] <polysics> a hid-multitouch.ko entry
2750 [17:55:55] *** Joins: patterson (~patterson@replaced-ip )
2751 [17:56:07] *** Joins: Devastator (~Devastato@replaced-ip )
2752 [17:56:13] <Walex> polysics: also run the other command sequence for additional information
2753 [17:56:15] *** Joins: dontknow (~dontknow@replaced-ip )
2754 [17:56:15] *** Quits: dontknow (~dontknow@replaced-ip ) (Changing host)
2755 [17:56:15] *** Joins: dontknow (~dontknow@replaced-ip )
2756 [17:56:18] *** Joins: Cabanossi (~Cabanossi@replaced-ip )
2757 [17:56:48] <polysics> it's churning
2758 [17:56:57] <polysics> so, in line of principle, I do have that module already?
2759 [17:57:12] *** Quits: WoodLeg (~WoodLeg@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2760 [17:57:21] <greycat> Did you try "locate multitouch" yet? Just out of curiosity.
2761 [17:57:27] <Walex> polysics: actually ooops replace "grep '^/lib/kernel'" with "grep '^/lib/kernel|/usr/lib/xorg'"
2762 [17:57:45] <greycat> Might as well try the *easy* ones first....
2763 [17:57:48] *** Joins: hvpc (~hvpc@replaced-ip )
2764 [17:58:44] <polysics> ok, I do have a .ko object
2765 [17:59:21] *** Joins: jubo2 (~juboxi@replaced-ip )
2766 [18:00:25] <polysics> lib/modules/3.2(etc)/kernel/drivers/hid/hid-multitouch.ko
2767 [18:00:34] <polysics> does that mean anything? :D
2768 [18:00:36] *** Quits: jcnouveau (~jcnouveau@replaced-ip ) (Quit: Leaving)
2769 [18:00:47] *** Joins: mel00010 (~mel00010@replaced-ip )
2770 [18:00:48] *** Joins: Beretta021 (~Beretta02@replaced-ip )
2771 [18:01:02] <greycat> It means you have that kernel driver.
2772 [18:01:17] <greycat> Also means you're on wheezy.
2773 [18:01:29] <polysics> so it is already there, in theory?
2774 [18:01:36] *** Joins: nine_milli (~nine_mill@replaced-ip )
2775 [18:01:42] *** Joins: earthundead (~earthunde@replaced-ip )
2776 [18:01:45] <greycat> I don't know if this driver does what you want, or even what you actually want.
2777 [18:02:00] <polysics> I know it is the driver I want
2778 [18:02:01] *** debhelper sets mode: +l 1694
2779 [18:02:12] *** Quits: cereal_poster (~Cereal@replaced-ip ) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2780 [18:02:41] <polysics> lsmod | grep multi does not show it
2781 [18:03:02] <jelly> polysics: so it's not loaded
2782 [18:03:08] *** Joins: kzimmermann (~username@replaced-ip )
2783 [18:03:14] *** Joins: cereal_poster (~Cereal@replaced-ip )
2784 [18:03:26] *** Joins: sondr3 (~sondr3@replaced-ip )
2785 [18:03:27] *** Quits: Guest83472 (~admin@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2786 [18:03:40] *** Joins: jken (~jarred@replaced-ip )
2787 [18:03:48] <jelly> polysics: do you perhaps have a different goal, like making some specific hardware work on your system?
2788 [18:03:56] <jelly> !goal
2789 [18:03:56] <dpkg> Describe your goal, not what you think the solution is.
2790 [18:03:59] <jelly> !ask
2791 [18:03:59] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
2792 [18:04:08] *** Quits: dohfish (~oemillak@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2793 [18:04:12] <polysics> yes, I am doing the supposed pre-installation steps for installing an ESA touchscreen
2794 [18:04:18] <polysics> which supposedly requires that module to be loaded
2795 [18:04:31] <polysics> then it has its own setup script that should just work
2796 [18:04:58] *** Joins: Nh3xus (~Nh3xus@replaced-ip )
2797 [18:05:09] <jelly> use modprobe module-name-here to load it manually
2798 [18:05:12] <greycat> Did you actually connect the hardware to the system?
2799 [18:05:25] <polysics> by the way, uname -r reports 3.10, not 3.2
2800 [18:05:33] *** Joins: feneco (uid135851@replaced-ip )
2801 [18:05:36] <greycat> polysics: what does "cat /etc/debian_version" say?
2802 [18:05:37] <jelly> polysics: how old are these pre-installation steps?
2803 [18:05:39] <polysics> so that is probably not even the right module
2804 [18:05:50] *** Quits: Zardoz (~Zardoz@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)
2805 [18:06:04] <polysics> 2015/04/10
2806 [18:06:05] <polysics> old :D
2807 [18:06:16] <jelly> what's your hardware platform (pc)
2808 [18:06:32] <polysics> an industrial Celeron-based machine
2809 [18:06:34] <jelly> polysics: what does `uname -a` say
2810 [18:06:39] <polysics> a "normal" PC
2811 [18:07:26] <polysics> linux x3-test 3.10.82-sv-686 #4 SMP Mon Jul 6 22:00:28 CEST 2015 i686 GNU/Linux
2812 [18:07:49] <jelly> so it runs a custom kernel, possibly provided by the vendor
2813 [18:07:54] <petn-randall> polysics: 3.10 never shipped in Debian.
2814 [18:07:54] *** Joins: Zardoz (~Zardoz@replaced-ip )
2815 [18:07:55] <greycat> It's not a Debian kernel, though you apparently *have* a Debian (wheezy) kernel installed. You just aren't using it.
2816 [18:08:05] *** Quits: elllmo (~elmo@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)
2817 [18:08:10] *** Quits: sondr3 (~sondr3@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)
2818 [18:08:22] <polysics> urgh
2819 [18:08:27] *** Quits: herbmillerjr (~herbmille@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2820 [18:08:33] <simbalion`> Hi, I upgraded to stretch last night from jessie, now I'm getting git errors about public key verification failing, can anyone suggest a fix?
2821 [18:08:39] <polysics> so I actually need to find out where that kernel comes from, I assume?
2822 [18:08:44] <jelly> polysics: you will need to find linux headers and/or sources matching the kernel you're currently running, or boot a different, preferably distro kernel
2823 [18:08:44] <greycat> polysics: yeah
2824 [18:09:12] *** Joins: herbmillerjr (~herbmille@replaced-ip )
2825 [18:09:14] <jelly> polysics: perhaps 3.16 from wheezy-backports will work on your hardware if 3.2 from wheezy does not
2826 [18:09:25] <jelly> ,kernels
2827 [18:09:26] <judd> Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.11.0-trunk-686 (4.11-1~exp2); sid: 4.9.0-3-686 (4.9.25-1); stretch: 4.9.0-3-686 (4.9.25-1); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.3-686 (4.9.25-1~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.43-2); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.88-1)
2828 [18:09:29] <polysics> I guess the first step is simply "write an email to whoever built this thing and find out what happened" :)
2829 [18:09:33] <greycat> Depends on what's been done to this 3.10 kernel.
2830 [18:09:38] *** Quits: x212 (~x212@replaced-ip ) (Quit: Leaving)
2831 [18:09:42] <polysics> well, thank you people, you are very helpful
2832 [18:09:50] <polysics> I'll grab the guy responsible for this and figure it out
2833 [18:10:09] *** Joins: InfoTest (~Thunderbi@replaced-ip )
2834 [18:10:19] <polysics> it has to be said that the machine is named SV
2835 [18:10:20] *** Quits: fr0tzed (~fr0tzed@replaced-ip ) (Remote host closed the connection)
2836 [18:10:22] <polysics> soooo, that "sv"
2837 [18:10:24] *** Joins: bblindy (~bblinder@replaced-ip )
2838 [18:10:37] *** Joins: fr0tzed (~fr0tzed@replaced-ip )
2839 [18:10:39] <polysics> this is probably a custom kernel built by the guy that physically built the thing
2840 [18:10:42] <jelly> simbalion`: are you accessing a private or a public repo? Which command line are you running and what's the full output?
2841 [18:10:42] <polysics> k, good to know
2842 [18:10:49] *** Joins: deznuts (uid92154@replaced-ip )
2843 [18:10:51] *** Quits: jackNemrod (~Thunderbi@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
2844 [18:11:16] *** Joins: rxsin (~rxsin@replaced-ip )
2845 [18:11:51] *** Joins: tatalazo (~Thunderbi@replaced-ip )
2846 [18:11:52] *** Joins: tx (~texta@replaced-ip )
2847 [18:12:08] <simbalion`> jelly: replaced-url
2848 [18:12:22] *** Joins: Introoter (uid189461@replaced-ip )
2849 [18:12:27] <greycat> why the fuck do people keep using that
2850 [18:12:28] *** Joins: donofrio_ (~donofrio@replaced-ip )
2851 [18:12:43] *** Quits: Karazhan (~nobody@replaced-ip ) (Remote host closed the connection)
2852 [18:13:20] <greycat> The ONE paste site in the entire history of humankind that's even WORSE than pastebin.com and people USE it. On purpose. Unfuckingbelievable.
2853 [18:13:22] *** Joins: Guest14244 (~nobody@replaced-ip )
2854 [18:13:34] <polysics> what's wrong with gist.github.com?
2855 [18:14:04] *** Quits: onee-chan (~onee-chan@replaced-ip ) (Quit: Lost terminal)
2856 [18:14:07] <jelly> simbalion`: #835342 seems to be relevant
2857 [18:14:12] <judd> Bug replaced-url
2858 [18:14:51] <jelly> simbalion`: i just googled "gnutls_handshake() failed: Public key signature verification has failed."
2859 [18:15:49] *** Quits: donofrio (~donofrio@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)
2860 [18:15:51] <jelly> greycat: the url points to raw text file, what's your grief with that
2861 [18:16:11] <jelly> how is plain text worse than pastebin.com
2862 [18:16:28] *** Quits: disposable2 (~Thunderbi@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2863 [18:16:46] *** Quits: shinnya (~shinnya@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)
2864 [18:16:49] <greycat> OK, fine, he used the web site in a nonstandard mode whereby he gave us a URL that can actually be opened, instead of the default mode that requires a javascript engine to "decrypt" the contents.
2865 [18:17:17] <greycat> I still think the entire web site needs to be nuked off the face of the internet, because most people don't give the raw link.
2866 [18:17:22] <jelly> seems you just like to rant sometimes
2867 [18:18:11] <tx> It's 2017 though
2868 [18:18:18] *** Quits: polysics (~polysics@replaced-ip ) (Remote host closed the connection)
2869 [18:18:21] <tx> using the internet without javascript is like using a car with 3 wheels
2870 [18:18:56] <greycat> I refuse to open unsolicited IRC pastebins in a GUI/javascript browser
2871 [18:19:01] *** Joins: dunderproto (~dunderpro@replaced-ip )
2872 [18:20:06] *** Joins: pacha (~user@replaced-ip )
2873 [18:20:22] *** Joins: sh00p (~z@replaced-ip )
2874 [18:20:37] *** Joins: elllmo (~elmo@replaced-ip )
2875 [18:20:42] * jelly imagines greycat waving a walking stick menacingly at kids stepping on his lawn
2876 [18:21:27] *** Joins: savantgarde (~savantgar@replaced-ip )
2877 [18:21:27] <simbalion`> jelly: I found a number of results myself but they each speak about removing certain packages and I'm a bit cautious so I was hoping someone might be able to offer advice regarding my specific situation
2878 [18:21:55] *** Quits: kalipso (~kalipso@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)
2879 [18:22:01] *** debhelper sets mode: +l 1700
2880 [18:22:19] *** Joins: rgr_ (~rgr@replaced-ip )
2881 [18:22:45] *** Quits: wonderworld (~ww@replaced-ip ) (Remote host closed the connection)
2882 [18:22:50] <cysill> greycat has a point. No reason to need JavaScript for reading plain text.
2883 [18:22:52] <greycat> A couple years ago, for reasons which I do not understand, the notion that "every web site should be encrypted" somehow caught on. Like hotcakes. Like wildfire. Like hotcakes on fire.
2884 [18:23:05] *** Quits: Makeeter (~FF@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2885 [18:23:10] <greycat> Unfortuantely, it turns out our software and infrastructure weren't ready for it.
2886 [18:23:35] *** Quits: TomyWork (~tomy@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2887 [18:23:42] *** Joins: monpocchi (~monpocchi@replaced-ip )
2888 [18:23:46] *** Quits: Cabanossi (~Cabanossi@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
2889 [18:24:00] *** GG_Phyduck is now known as GG_Phyduck_Away
2890 [18:24:04] <jelly> simbalion`: do you have libgnutls-deb0-28 mentioned in that and the other bts report, installed?
2891 [18:24:14] *** Joins: Makeeter (~FF@replaced-ip )
2892 [18:24:15] *** Quits: Rubin (rubin@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2893 [18:24:40] <greycat> Massive use of https required reworking some of the protocols ("certificate stapling" and all that), and apparently just putting it in the libraries isn't enough. The *applications* have to be modified too.
2894 [18:24:44] *** Quits: rgr (~rgr@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)
2895 [18:25:37] <simbalion`> jelly: 3.3.8-6+deb8u5
2896 [18:25:43] *** Quits: elbart0 (~elbarto@replaced-ip ) (Quit: Lost terminal)
2897 [18:25:48] *** Quits: stephanie92 (~stephanie@replaced-ip ) (Quit: Leaving)
2898 [18:25:58] *** Joins: Guest83472 (~admin@replaced-ip )
2899 [18:26:04] <koollman> greycat: not that much. They do need some basic support. but you can make a pretty
2900 [18:26:15] <koollman> *pretty compatible configuration server-side
2901 [18:26:23] *** Joins: Cabanossi (~Cabanossi@replaced-ip )
2902 [18:26:25] <Violinist> wow lol look at cowsay
2903 [18:26:26] <Violinist> <zpx> it's amazing how "not-broken" \
2904 [18:26:26] <Violinist> \ debian is compared to slack and rh
2905 [18:26:26] <jelly> simbalion`: and would anything useful for you get removed if you removed it? Test with "apt-get -s remove libgnutls-deb0-28"
2906 [18:26:32] <greycat> I'm on my third text-mode browser now. lynx can't do it. elinks can't do it. Looks like w3m can, but I'm still learning the user interface. It is bizarre.
2907 [18:26:47] <Violinist> lel
2908 [18:26:59] <jelly> greycat: elinks still doesn't have SNI, which is like 12 years old now
2909 [18:27:02] *** Joins: towo` (~towo@replaced-ip )
2910 [18:27:19] *** Quits: hvpc (~hvpc@replaced-ip ) (Quit: leaving)
2911 [18:27:33] *** Quits: savantgarde (~savantgar@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2912 [18:27:34] *** Guest75559 is now known as Bl4ckC0r3
2913 [18:27:37] <greycat> Well, it's pretty sad that a web browser that's *in* debian cannot open replaced-url
2914 [18:27:44] *** Quits: Bl4ckC0r3 (Elite19257@replaced-ip ) (Changing host)
2915 [18:27:44] *** Joins: Bl4ckC0r3 (Elite19257@replaced-ip )
2916 [18:27:44] *** Quits: Bl4ckC0r3 (Elite19257@replaced-ip ) (Changing host)
2917 [18:27:44] *** Joins: Bl4ckC0r3 (Elite19257@replaced-ip )
2918 [18:27:56] *** Quits: Jacob843 (~Jacob843@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
2919 [18:28:01] <greycat> or any of the other dozens of https paste sites that people started using
2920 [18:28:02] <jelly> there's all sorts of software with partial capabilities in debian
2921 [18:28:49] <jelly> you want a decent, up to date browser, there's only two: chrome/chromium and firefox
2922 [18:29:19] *** Quits: HugsWontletgo (~HugsWontl@replaced-ip ) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2923 [18:29:22] <simbalion`> jelly: looks like libcurl3-gnutls, that seems pretty important right?
2924 [18:29:31] *** Quits: erabti____ (~erabti@replaced-ip ) (Remote host closed the connection)
2925 [18:29:34] <jelly> simbalion`: no, those are all old libs
2926 [18:29:36] *** Joins: Jacob843 (~Jacob843@replaced-ip )
2927 [18:29:41] <simbalion`> jelly: Okay, thanks :)
2928 [18:29:47] <jelly> get rid of both, see if that makes things better
2929 [18:30:05] <jelly> you can reinstall them back later if you have custom compiled software
2930 [18:30:17] <jelly> ,v libcurl3-gnutls
2931 [18:30:18] <judd> Package: libcurl3-gnutls on amd64 -- wheezy: 7.26.0-1+wheezy13; wheezy-security: 7.26.0-1+wheezy19; jessie: 7.38.0-4+deb8u5; jessie-security: 7.38.0-4+deb8u5; sid: 7.52.1-5; stretch: 7.52.1-5
2932 [18:30:42] *** Joins: phinxy (~tehhhd@replaced-ip )
2933 [18:30:52] *** Quits: czesmir (~stefan@replaced-ip ) (Quit: leaving)
2934 [18:31:19] *** Joins: erabti____ (~erabti@replaced-ip )
2935 [18:31:21] <simbalion`> I tried to remove libcurl3-gnutls and it lists a huge number of apps that'd be removed with it
2936 [18:32:01] <Violinist> dont do it
2937 [18:32:05] <jelly> simbalion`: I just asked you if there was anything important in the list for "apt-get -s remove libgnutls-deb0-28", was it not present there?
2938 [18:32:08] <Violinist> ull have to reinstall
2939 [18:32:12] *** Quits: shabius (~shaburov1@replaced-ip ) (Remote host closed the connection)
2940 [18:32:18] <simbalion`> jelly: that only shows libcurl3-gnutls
2941 [18:32:18] *** Quits: woyzeck (~woyzeck@replaced-ip ) (Quit: woyzeck)
2942 [18:32:44] <jelly> simbalion`: so remove just that.
2943 [18:32:50] *** Quits: typosaurus (~typosauru@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)
2944 [18:33:09] <Violinist> jelly, how
2945 [18:33:21] <jelly> simbalion`: or try to do that, if it still wants to remove lots of stuff, don't do it
2946 [18:33:29] <jelly> Violinist: do you also have the same issue?
2947 [18:33:38] <Violinist> no
2948 [18:33:47] <Violinist> but sometimes it want to remove everything
2949 [18:33:59] <Violinist> ive had that happen before
2950 [18:34:01] <jelly> that's why we use -s / --dry-run first
2951 [18:34:03] *** Quits: zamuro (~Samantha@replaced-ip ) (Quit: [IRSSI])
2952 [18:34:05] *** Quits: wafflejock (~wafflej0c@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2953 [18:34:16] <koollman> greycat: I am curious about the way things are failing for you. Always interesting to know what I should look for and test when setting up https :)
2954 [18:34:17] *** Joins: sbasso (~sbasso@replaced-ip )
2955 [18:34:19] *** Quits: tty0_ (~NA@replaced-ip ) (Quit: Leaving.)
2956 [18:34:26] *** Joins: jf0o23 (~jswwm12@replaced-ip )
2957 [18:34:49] *** Parts: jf0o23 (~jswwm12@replaced-ip )
2958 [18:35:07] *** Joins: HugsWontletgo (~HugsWontl@replaced-ip )
2959 [18:35:09] <jelly> simbalion`: there should be no difference in stated package removals between "apt-get -s remove libgnutls-deb0-28" and "apt-get remove libgnutls-deb0-28", is there?
2960 [18:35:11] <simbalion`> jelly: That's what I said, it's trying to remove lots of stuff, but that's maybe unrelated..
2961 [18:35:12] <greycat> koollman: elinks replaced-url
2962 [18:35:33] <simbalion`> how do I tell it not to remove lots of stuff? Like audacious, that's a music player, seems unrelated
2963 [18:35:39] <jelly> simbalion`: right. ^C that, don't let it, and pastebin full outputs for both
2964 [18:35:50] *** Quits: fr0tzed (~fr0tzed@replaced-ip ) (Remote host closed the connection)
2965 [18:35:53] <greycat> koollman: lynx replaced-url
2966 [18:36:08] *** Joins: fr0tzed (~fr0tzed@replaced-ip )
2967 [18:36:54] *** Quits: anhedonist (~anhedonis@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)
2968 [18:36:54] <greycat> simbalion`: did you *fully* upgrade from jessie to stretch, or are you running some kind of hybrid?
2969 [18:37:03] <simbalion`> jelly: replaced-url
2970 [18:37:12] *** Quits: Hunterkll (~Hunterkll@replaced-ip ) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2971 [18:37:13] *** Joins: centrx (~centrx@replaced-ip )
2972 [18:37:13] *** Joins: Rubin (~rubin@replaced-ip )
2973 [18:37:17] <jelly> greycat: links2 2.14-2+b1 seems to work on that site for some reason
2974 [18:37:17] *** Quits: jubo2 (~juboxi@replaced-ip ) (Quit: Konversation terminated!)
2975 [18:37:34] *** Joins: silverhom (~silverhom@replaced-ip )
2976 [18:37:36] *** Joins: Hunterkll (~Hunterkll@replaced-ip )
2977 [18:37:54] *** Quits: erabti____ (~erabti@replaced-ip ) (Remote host closed the connection)
2978 [18:38:09] <greycat> ,v gdm3
2979 [18:38:10] <judd> Package: gdm3 on amd64 -- wheezy: 3.4.1-8; jessie: 3.14.1-7; stretch: 3.22.3-2; sid: 3.22.3-2; experimental: 3.24.2-1
2980 [18:38:22] <greycat> Hmm, he has the stretch version of that....
2981 [18:38:24] <jelly> greycat: links2 linked against openssl, and its cousin elinks uses gnutls in debian, go figure
2982 [18:38:33] *** Joins: erabti____ (~erabti@replaced-ip )
2983 [18:38:39] *** Joins: Seto_Kaiba (~Hunterkll@replaced-ip )
2984 [18:38:44] *** Quits: Hunterkll (~Hunterkll@replaced-ip ) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2985 [18:38:49] <greycat> I'm still wondering what COMMAND simbalion` ran, because he didn't show it.
2986 [18:39:27] <jelly> simbalion`: which command is that from?
2987 [18:39:31] <greycat> He must be using one of those damned shell script thingies that pastes the OUTPUT of a command to a web site, which leaves you without the command.
2988 [18:39:39] *** Joins: dionysus69 (~Thunderbi@replaced-ip )
2989 [18:39:39] *** Joins: OptimusMKD (~Risto@replaced-ip )
2990 [18:39:40] <simbalion`> jelly: apt-get -s remove libcurl3-gnutls
2991 [18:39:43] *** Joins: KebabBob (~keli@replaced-ip )
2992 [18:39:48] <greycat> ...
2993 [18:39:56] *** Quits: r3 (~arethree@replaced-ip ) ()
2994 [18:40:00] <jelly> simbalion`: it says it's going to remove a ton of stuff
2995 [18:40:07] *** Joins: Mokuba_K (~Hunterkll@replaced-ip )
2996 [18:40:27] *** Quits: sorin-mihai (equinox@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2997 [18:40:31] <jelly> The following packages will be REMOVED: [a ton of stuff follows]
2998 [18:40:52] <jelly> different from <simbalion`> jelly: that only shows libcurl3-gnutls
2999 [18:40:59] <spacemn> on Stretch, how do I change the console keyboard layout to Colemak?
3000 [18:41:02] <greycat> You told him to do "apt-get -s remove libgnutls-deb0-28" and he did "apt-get -s remove libcurl3-gnutls"
3001 [18:41:03] <koollman> greycat: so, yeah, I can reproduce your problem on jessie. which is kind of fun. curl do work, though, so I wonder what's different for lynx or elinks
3002 [18:41:10] <jelly> oh
3003 [18:41:17] <jelly> missed that
3004 [18:41:23] *** Joins: jubo2 (~juboxi@replaced-ip )
3005 [18:41:39] *** Quits: SkyPatrol (~SkyPatrol@replaced-ip ) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
3006 [18:41:44] *** Joins: Epx998- (~Epx998@replaced-ip )
3007 [18:41:48] <jelly> simbalion`: what about "apt-get -s remove libgnutls-deb0-28"
3008 [18:42:08] <simbalion`> jelly: apt-get -s remove libgnutls-deb0-28 only shows libcurl3-gnutls.
3009 [18:42:19] <koollman> greycat: the difference seems to be openssl vs gnutls
3010 [18:42:23] <greycat> That makes no sense at all.
3011 [18:42:35] *** Quits: aaro (~aaro@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
3012 [18:42:38] <jelly> simbalion`: pastebin the full output
3013 [18:42:44] <greycat> I just removed libgnutls-deb0-28 on a stretch box that was upgraded from jessie. It did not remove any other packages.
3014 [18:42:49] *** Quits: uNmowed|2 (~Mayu@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)
3015 [18:43:03] <simbalion`> jelly: replaced-url
3016 [18:43:09] <jelly> mine only removes some leftover libs (didn't do any deborphan cleanup)
3017 [18:43:13] *** Quits: Seto_Kaiba (~Hunterkll@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
3018 [18:43:18] *** Quits: __marco (~marco@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
3019 [18:43:20] *** Quits: notebox (~textual@replaced-ip ) (Quit: My Mac Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…)
3020 [18:43:37] <greycat> simbalion`: it's trying to INSTALL libcurl3-gnutls but it can't
3021 [18:43:48] *** Quits: shannara (~Stanislas@replaced-ip ) (Quit: Leaving)
3022 [18:43:51] <jelly> simbalion`: it alos mentions an error!
3023 [18:43:53] *** Joins: Masterphi (~Masterphi@replaced-ip )
3024 [18:43:56] <jelly> that's kind of relevant
3025 [18:43:59] *** Joins: jhutchins_wk (0c7e567a@replaced-ip )
3026 [18:44:02] *** Joins: SkyPatrol_ (~SkyPatrol@replaced-ip )
3027 [18:44:09] <jelly> !bat
3028 [18:44:10] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
3029 [18:44:10] *** Quits: Wizek_ (~Wizek@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)
3030 [18:44:31] *** Quits: SpaceAce (~SpaceAce@replaced-ip ) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
3031 [18:44:32] <jelly> simbalion`: ^^ follow that for your "apt-get -s remove libgnutls-deb0-28" command.
3032 [18:44:35] <simbalion`> jelly: sorry, I thought that particular error was implied
3033 [18:44:57] <jelly> nothing is implied, apt doesn't usually throw errors
3034 [18:45:19] *** Joins: sorin-mihai (equinox@replaced-ip )
3035 [18:45:28] <jelly> ,v librtmp1
3036 [18:45:29] <judd> Package: librtmp1 on amd64 -- jessie: 2.4+20150115.gita107cef-1; jessie-proposed-updates: 2.4+20150115.gita107cef-1+deb8u1; jessie-security: 2.4+20150115.gita107cef-1+deb8u1; stretch: 2.4+20151223.gitfa8646d.1-1+b1; sid: 2.4+20151223.gitfa8646d.1-1+b1; jessie-multimedia: 2:2.4~20150315.gita107cef9b-dmo1+deb8u2; sid-multimedia: 2:2.4~20160119.gitfa8646dae-dmo5
3037 [18:46:32] * jelly suspects something like replaced-url
3038 [18:46:33] <judd> Bug replaced-url
3039 [18:46:56] *** Quits: jken (~jarred@replaced-ip ) (Quit: jken)
3040 [18:47:14] *** Quits: Epx998- (~Epx998@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)
3041 [18:47:22] <koollman> greycat: so, it's not really that it requires application modification. it's that application has a bug, really.
3042 [18:47:31] <jelly> dmo's epoch bump preventing upgrades from stretch to take place
3043 [18:47:53] <koollman> greycat: replaced-url
3044 [18:47:53] *** Quits: ruslan_m (~rmstoi@replaced-ip ) (Remote host closed the connection)
3045 [18:47:54] <simbalion`> jelly: replaced-url
3046 [18:47:59] *** Quits: earthundead (~earthunde@replaced-ip ) (Remote host closed the connection)
3047 [18:48:40] <koollman> greycat: using ssl does not add the bug, it just reveals it :)
3048 [18:48:52] <jelly> simbalion`: so yeah, you also have librtmp1 from jessie dmo
3049 [18:48:52] <simbalion`> hrm, seems like librtmp1 was held back
3050 [18:49:17] *** Joins: turfal (~Thunderbi@replaced-ip )
3051 [18:49:19] <simbalion`> how do I see why?
3052 [18:49:24] <jelly> simbalion`: and you still have jessie dmo repo enabled.
3053 [18:49:43] <simbalion`> must be in one of the secondary .lists it's not in the main sources.list
3054 [18:50:24] <jelly> get rid of it, get rid of any packages from dmo, do an update and dist-upgrade then, _then_ check if you still need any packages from dmo
3055 [18:50:28] <jelly> !dmo
3056 [18:50:28] <dpkg> We recommend against using deb-multimedia.org; these unofficial packages are known to cause many hard to debug problems. They are not in Debian either because the they are poor in quality or for legal reasons. See replaced-url
3057 [18:50:37] *** Quits: turfal (~Thunderbi@replaced-ip ) (Client Quit)
3058 [18:50:37] <jelly> !dmm remove
3059 [18:50:37] <simbalion`> jelly: what is dmo?
3060 [18:50:37] <dpkg> If you want to remove the packages from deb-multimedia.org and reinstall the packages from Debian repositories, one could do this: dpkg --remove --force-depends $(aptitude search '?narrow(?version(CURRENT),?origin(Unofficial Multimedia Packages))' --disable-columns -F%p); remove the dmm repository from sources.list; apt-get update; apt-get install -f; install the still missing packages which were removed in the former process ...
3061 [18:50:54] <jelly> see above
3062 [18:51:51] *** Joins: tvm (~tvm@replaced-ip )
3063 [18:51:56] *** Quits: ongolaBoy (~ongolaBoy@replaced-ip ) (Quit: leaving)
3064 [18:52:00] *** debhelper sets mode: +l 1687
3065 [18:52:05] <simbalion`> I seem to recall I installed deb-multimedia.org stuff in order to get certain sound or video codecs working that otherwise had no support at all
3066 [18:52:13] *** tvm is now known as Guest74713
3067 [18:52:27] *** Quits: remo (~user@replaced-ip ) (Remote host closed the connection)
3068 [18:52:30] *** Joins: cheako (~cheako@replaced-ip )
3069 [18:52:39] <jelly> it used to be quite useful around squeeze or wheezy
3070 [18:53:12] <jelly> these days most of stuff needed for decoding is already in debian
3071 [18:53:14] *** Quits: dcstream (~textual@replaced-ip ) (Quit: My Mac Mini has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…)
3072 [18:53:27] <jhutchins_wk> Definitely needed it in Etch and Lenny.
3073 [18:53:38] <jelly> (they do still ship some software that's not in debian at all)
3074 [18:53:51] *** Quits: centrx (~centrx@replaced-ip ) (Remote host closed the connection)
3075 [18:54:13] *** Quits: tonyoy (~ay@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
3076 [18:54:22] <jhutchins_wk> mp3 patent is expiring shortly.
3077 [18:54:57] <jelly> and mp3 will be free
3078 [18:55:02] <simbalion`> hrm, that removed openshot, I hope dmo isn't required for that
3079 [18:55:08] *** Quits: erabti____ (~erabti@replaced-ip ) (Remote host closed the connection)
3080 [18:55:09] <jelly> ,v openshot
3081 [18:55:10] <judd> Package: openshot on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.4.2-1.1; jessie: 1.4.3-1.1; sid: 1.4.3-1.2; stretch: 1.4.3-1.2; wheezy-multimedia: 1.4.3-dmo1; jessie-multimedia: 1.4.3-dmo4; sid-multimedia: 1.4.3-dmo4
3082 [18:55:11] <phogg> I thought it was all expired already (like a few weeks ago)
3083 [18:56:11] <phogg> I guess not, at least two still remain
3084 [18:57:19] <BluesKaj> who cares it's lossy crappy sounding encoded audio ...wav ftw in this day and age of large storage devices
3085 [18:57:39] <jhutchins_wk> Iirc all licensing has expired, but the patent remains.
3086 [18:57:40] *** Quits: electro33 (uid613@replaced-ip ) (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity)
3087 [18:57:42] *** Joins: raynold (uid201163@replaced-ip )
3088 [18:58:02] <phogg> BluesKaj: I care. There are still tons of mp3 files out there.
3089 [18:58:12] *** Quits: robouk (~manjaro-k@replaced-ip ) (Quit: Konversation terminated!)
3090 [18:58:14] *** Joins: sophiedooms (6d4331ac@replaced-ip )
3091 [18:58:22] <tx> at least it's not real audio
3092 [18:58:24] <tx> or windows media audio
3093 [18:58:36] <phogg> jhutchins_wk: yeah that was what I was remembering; RH legal apparently indicated that they'll now ship codecs.
3094 [18:58:57] <BluesKaj> phogg, i replaced mine with the wav versions...it took a while but it was worth it
3095 [18:59:04] *** Joins: sidetracking (~quassel@replaced-ip )
3096 [18:59:09] <phogg> BluesKaj: why? Use flac at least.
3097 [18:59:15] <simbalion`> I removed all the dmo repos and did apt-get update and apt-get dist-upgrade and I'm still seeing dmo stuff listed
3098 [18:59:37] <phogg> BluesKaj: in many cases I still have mp3 files where I no longer have working discs. Bytes don't age as badly as physical media.
3099 [18:59:38] *** Parts: sophiedooms (6d4331ac@replaced-ip )
3100 [18:59:48] <greycat> Removing repositories does not remove the packages that came from them.
3101 [19:00:02] <jhutchins_wk> simbalion`: You could use the interactive mode and search for dmo, mark and delete.
3102 [19:00:03] <raynold> ahh it's a wonderful day
3103 [19:00:16] <simbalion`> found it.. I missed a file
3104 [19:00:19] *** Joins: SkyPatrol (~SkyPatrol@replaced-ip )
3105 [19:00:20] <BluesKaj> flac is still on the fly decoding, converted all my flacs to wav too
3106 [19:00:49] *** Joins: jonathan_x (5c6da7b6@replaced-ip )
3107 [19:01:20] *** Joins: ssaturos (~saturos@replaced-ip )
3108 [19:01:24] <jelly> greycat: the recipe first does package removal based on Origin: while the repo is still there, and _then_ asks to remove repo
3109 [19:01:30] <phogg> BluesKaj: but why? You can't afford the CPU time to decode?
3110 [19:01:52] <jelly> simbalion`: did you do exactly what the recipe for !dmm remove said?
3111 [19:02:11] *** Joins: apollolune (~marc@replaced-ip )
3112 [19:02:12] *** Joins: dreamon_ (~dreamon@replaced-ip )
3113 [19:02:12] <simbalion`> using uncompressed audio is a waste of space unless you're a music producer and people who say they can hear the difference are lying
3114 [19:02:15] *** GG_Phyduck_Away is now known as GG_Phyduck_Train
3115 [19:02:21] <BluesKaj> less processing gives better sound, that's my philosophy
3116 [19:02:22] <simbalion`> jelly: yes, but I missed a .list file
3117 [19:02:38] <phogg> BluesKaj: you're wrong, but have fun wasting disk space
3118 [19:02:53] *** Quits: SkyPatrol_ (~SkyPatrol@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
3119 [19:03:08] <BluesKaj> it's not a waste to me
3120 [19:03:17] *** Quits: l3archos (~Icedove@replaced-ip ) (Quit: l3archos)
3121 [19:03:19] *** Joins: Envil (~envil@replaced-ip )
3122 [19:03:40] *** Joins: GenteelBen (GenteelBen@replaced-ip )
3123 [19:03:43] <simbalion`> if you're not a music producer it is
3124 [19:03:44] *** Joins: jken (~jken@replaced-ip )
3125 [19:03:55] <simbalion`> but it's your money so whatever. Yay liberty!
3126 [19:04:13] *** Joins: Brigo (~Brigo@replaced-ip )
3127 [19:04:24] *** Quits: saturos (~saturos@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
3128 [19:04:24] *** ssaturos is now known as saturos
3129 [19:04:28] *** Joins: AimHere (~David@replaced-ip )
3130 [19:04:35] *** Joins: Moloki (~Moloki@replaced-ip )
3131 [19:04:35] *** Quits: Moloki (~Moloki@replaced-ip ) (Client Quit)
3132 [19:04:53] <BluesKaj> simbalion`, I have plenty of space, i don't care because storage is cheap
3133 [19:05:40] <simbalion`> cheap is relative, it's certainly cheaper than it used to be, but if all your music is stored digitally and uncompressed then your storage is going to be used up very fast which, to me, negates the affordability of it.
3134 [19:05:46] <simbalion`> Perhaps you have less music than me..
3135 [19:05:47] *** Joins: woyzeck (~woyzeck@replaced-ip )
3136 [19:06:00] <simbalion`> it's all subjective
3137 [19:06:07] *** Quits: apollolune (~marc@replaced-ip ) (Client Quit)
3138 [19:06:38] *** gftg_away is now known as gftg
3139 [19:06:38] *** gftg is now known as gftg_away
3140 [19:06:40] *** gftg_away is now known as gftg
3141 [19:06:44] <simbalion`> looks like there's an openshot package without dmo so that's good
3142 [19:06:49] <jelly> simbalion`: so do you have librtmp1 from repo now
3143 [19:06:50] *** Joins: shabius (~shaburov1@replaced-ip )
3144 [19:06:52] <BluesKaj> yeah , I'm pretty judicious about music ...I don't keep anything we don'r like
3145 [19:07:18] *** Quits: Zvmdyv (nnn@replaced-ip ) (Remote host closed the connection)
3146 [19:07:25] *** Joins: cfm76 (~cfm@replaced-ip )
3147 [19:07:25] <jelly> BluesKaj: I can't make myself rip everything again... so mp3s for me.
3148 [19:07:55] <jelly> 256kbps, 99% tracks I don't hear a difference
3149 [19:07:55] <simbalion`> jelly: Installed: 2:2.4~20160119.gitfa8646dae-dmo5
3150 [19:08:04] *** Joins: erabti____ (~erabti@replaced-ip )
3151 [19:08:05] <BluesKaj> it's not rippmg ...ripping implies lossless compression
3152 [19:08:05] <jelly> simbalion`: that's still a dmo version
3153 [19:08:16] *** Joins: classsic (b5e62f10@replaced-ip )
3154 [19:08:20] <simbalion`> jelly: Yeah, how do I fix that? I tried that command you suggested
3155 [19:08:20] <jelly> BluesKaj: ripping doesn't imply any compression
3156 [19:08:24] <BluesKaj> or lossy rather :-)
3157 [19:09:05] <jelly> ripping is transfer from the physical media you bought music in to other, more pretty media
3158 [19:09:54] <jelly> and it takes time
3159 [19:09:54] *** Joins: Atm0spher1c (~future@replaced-ip )
3160 [19:09:58] * BluesKaj shrugs
3161 [19:10:08] *** Quits: abu0 (~abu0@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
3162 [19:10:17] <jelly> and finding those cds somewhere
3163 [19:10:18] <BluesKaj> I have time ..I'm an old retired guy
3164 [19:10:59] *** Quits: blackest_mamba (~blackest_@replaced-ip ) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
3165 [19:11:05] *** Quits: cfm76 (~cfm@replaced-ip ) (Client Quit)
3166 [19:11:06] *** Quits: Guest74713 (~tvm@replaced-ip ) (Quit: reboot)
3167 [19:11:09] <tx> And when you pass, you will leave your legacy
3168 [19:11:11] <tx> in its' full
3169 [19:11:14] <BluesKaj> and still own lots of vinyl
3170 [19:11:14] <tx> uncompressed glory ;)
3171 [19:11:15] *** GG_Phyduck_Train is now known as GG_Phyduck_Away
3172 [19:11:15] *** Quits: shabius (~shaburov1@replaced-ip ) (Remote host closed the connection)
3173 [19:11:31] <tx> BluesKaj: as do I
3174 [19:11:35] *** Joins: blackes__ (~blackest_@replaced-ip )
3175 [19:11:37] <tx> but vinyl doesn't last or play forever :(
3176 [19:11:41] <tx> It's just fun.
3177 [19:12:06] *** Quits: kpease (~kpease@replaced-ip##) (Quit: Textual IRC Client: ##replaced-url
3178 [19:12:23] <jelly> simbalion`: do you have any other packages with dmo in version number? aptitude search '~i ?version(.*dmo.*)'
3179 [19:12:24] <BluesKaj> if it's propely taken care of , vinyl will last for many many yrs
3180 [19:12:41] *** Joins: Wizek_ (~Wizek@replaced-ip )
3181 [19:12:55] *** Joins: gnunix (~smuxi@replaced-ip )
3182 [19:12:59] <tx> BluesKaj: sure
3183 [19:13:03] <simbalion`> jelly: that turned up a long list, so yes
3184 [19:13:12] <simbalion`> some of them say 'A' before the name and others don't, whats that mean?
3185 [19:13:36] <gnunix> how come Gnome software center isn't included in debian jessie?
3186 [19:13:51] <simbalion`> fwiw git is now working, tho I do appreciate your help in cleaning out the dmo stuff too
3187 [19:14:07] *** Joins: cfm76 (~cfm@replaced-ip )
3188 [19:14:07] <cronicx> hello dudes, question: i have installed glib 2.13 on 1 server, there is a compiled check that needs glibc 2.15 , does apt-install libc6=2.15 has any effect to other compiled program? Or would apt install this as "2nd" glibc?
3189 [19:14:08] <jelly> simbalion`: so apparently that first command with aptitude search '?narrow(?version(CURRENT),?origin(Unofficial Multimedia Packages))' inside it didn't do a lot for you
3190 [19:14:21] <simbalion`> jelly: it did the first time, but now it returns an error
3191 [19:14:28] *** Joins: kpease (~kpease@replaced-ip )
3192 [19:14:30] <jelly> cronicx: there is no libc6 2.15 in debian
3193 [19:14:37] *** Joins: maxxe (~maxxe@replaced-ip )
3194 [19:14:42] <simbalion`> jelly: dpkg: error: --remove needs at least one package name argument
3195 [19:14:44] <missmbob> ,v gnome-software
3196 [19:14:45] <judd> Package: gnome-software on amd64 -- stretch: 3.22.5-1; sid: 3.22.5-1; experimental: 3.25.1-1
3197 [19:14:59] *** Quits: fast (~fast@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
3198 [19:15:00] <missmbob> gnunix: ^
3199 [19:15:01] *** Quits: cnu- (~u@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
3200 [19:15:07] *** Quits: hiya (hiya@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
3201 [19:15:20] <gnunix> E: Package 'gnome-software' has no installation candidate
3202 [19:15:22] <jelly> simbalion`: A means automatically installed as a dependency
3203 [19:15:24] *** Quits: kzimmermann (~username@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
3204 [19:15:26] *** Quits: Merixer (~Merixer@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
3205 [19:15:52] <cronicx> jelly: glibc 2.15 sry
3206 [19:15:55] <simbalion`> jelly: I think the issue is that after I did that command, which removed a bunch of packages, then I did an update and dist-upgrade without realizing I had overlooked a deb-multimedia.list file and so it reinstalled some of them
3207 [19:15:56] <missmbob> gnunix: are you not reading that it's in stretch and newer?
3208 [19:16:01] <jelly> cronicx: that's same thing
3209 [19:16:05] <simbalion`> but now that command returns an error
3210 [19:16:15] <gnunix> missmbob: sorry..
3211 [19:16:25] *** Joins: johnfg (johnfg@replaced-ip )
3212 [19:16:29] <johnfg> hi folks
3213 [19:16:39] <jelly> simbalion`: so put the repo back, do an apt-get update, and do the dpkg ... command again
3214 [19:16:40] <tx> hello folk
3215 [19:16:55] <johnfg> I don't want or need *any* firewall on scratch, as I do all of that through my router.
3216 [19:17:11] <simbalion`> jelly: arg I didn't save the file, good thing I have backups
3217 [19:17:20] <jelly> johnfg: you're in luck, debian does not have any firewall by default
3218 [19:17:25] *** Quits: arny91 (~arny91@replaced-ip ) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
3219 [19:17:28] <johnfg> Is there anything other than firewalld or iptables that would be blocking any ports or would there be any other firewall?
3220 [19:17:41] *** Joins: arny91 (~arny91@replaced-ip )
3221 [19:17:51] <gnunix> missmbob: but i'm running Jessie 8.8, i just want to install it.
3222 [19:17:55] <johnfg> jelly: So you'd say no, to that question.
3223 [19:18:02] <maxxe> anybody running stretch?
3224 [19:18:04] *** Joins: cnu- (~u@replaced-ip )
3225 [19:18:06] <missmbob> gnunix: you cant in jessie
3226 [19:18:06] <jelly> johnfg: which debian release? stretch also has nftables
3227 [19:18:09] *** Quits: Guest14244 (~nobody@replaced-ip ) (Remote host closed the connection)
3228 [19:18:14] <johnfg> maxxe: I am.
3229 [19:18:17] <gnunix> missmbob: Thank you.
3230 [19:18:20] <johnfg> maxxe: in a vm
3231 [19:18:20] *** Joins: Merixer (~Merixer@replaced-ip )
3232 [19:18:22] *** Joins: Karazhan (~nobody@replaced-ip )
3233 [19:18:28] *** Quits: Haudegen (~quassel@replaced-ip ) (Remote host closed the connection)
3234 [19:18:29] *** Quits: fr0tzed (~fr0tzed@replaced-ip ) (Remote host closed the connection)
3235 [19:18:38] *** Joins: fr0tzed (~fr0tzed@replaced-ip )
3236 [19:19:08] <gnunix> maxxe: i hope for you, you are not running as a daily
3237 [19:19:15] <BluesKaj> johnfg, stretch here too, but kdeplasma DE
3238 [19:19:40] <BluesKaj> on a ssd
3239 [19:19:53] *** Quits: sidetracking (~quassel@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
3240 [19:19:56] <simbalion`> jelly: dpkg: error: --remove needs a valid package name but 'libavcodec56' is not: ambiguous package name 'libavcodec56' with more than one installed instance
3241 [19:20:29] *** Quits: hexjay (~hexjay@replaced-ip ) (Quit: Leaving)
3242 [19:20:33] *** Joins: hiya (hiya@replaced-ip )
3243 [19:20:34] *** Joins: kalipso (~kalipso@replaced-ip )
3244 [19:20:36] <greycat> you may need :amd64 and/or :i386
3245 [19:21:04] <simbalion`> johnfg: you may want to use a software firewall anyway, if you have wifi someone could connect and attack your machines from inside the network
3246 [19:21:05] <maxxe> gnunix: 'running as a daily'?
3247 [19:21:07] *** Quits: winem_ (~quassel@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)
3248 [19:21:20] <simbalion`> there's really no reason to not firewall everything you aren't using
3249 [19:21:44] <gnunix> maxxe: sorry, english isnt my native tongue, i mean, you dont run a testing version of debian on a daily basis, right
3250 [19:21:44] <tx> secure by defaultTM
3251 [19:22:19] <simbalion`> and as ipv6 becomes more common individual machines on a LAN will have real internet IPs so "router firewalling" won't be as reliable as it is/was with ipv4
3252 [19:22:28] *** Joins: kzimmermann (~username@replaced-ip )
3253 [19:23:04] <simbalion`> unless your router has real firewall capabilities built in which most do not
3254 [19:23:09] <johnfg> simbalion`: So, in your opinion, would you do both iptables and the router, or just iptables?
3255 [19:23:16] * Atm0spher1c running sid and testing daily
3256 [19:23:25] *** Quits: forgotmynick (uid24625@replaced-ip ) (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity)
3257 [19:23:46] <simbalion`> johnfg: I don't use my router for anything but routing and DHCP. iptables works great, I use Ferm with it to make configuration easier.. be aware it's being replaced with nftables
3258 [19:24:10] <BluesKaj> oops my posts were directed to the wrong nick , maxxe , stretch is very stable here, but I'm a home user not a prodution machine
3259 [19:24:11] <johnfg> simbalion`: What jelly was referring to.
3260 [19:24:26] *** Joins: thiras (~thiras@replaced-ip )
3261 [19:24:29] <simbalion`> johnfg: yes.
3262 [19:25:05] *** Quits: soee_ (~soee@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
3263 [19:25:20] *** Joins: roshanavand (~Thunderbi@replaced-ip )
3264 [19:25:25] *** Quits: fr0tzed (~fr0tzed@replaced-ip ) (Remote host closed the connection)
3265 [19:25:52] *** Joins: fr0tzed (~fr0tzed@replaced-ip )
3266 [19:25:53] *** Quits: kalipso (~kalipso@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
3267 [19:26:45] *** Joins: misirk85 (~misirk85@replaced-ip )
3268 [19:27:07] *** Joins: savantgarde (~savantgar@replaced-ip )
3269 [19:27:10] <jelly> simbalion`: whether your systems have a publically routable address (ipv6 or not), a border firewall is still a good idea
3270 [19:27:33] <jelly> publicly?
3271 [19:27:48] <jelly> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
3272 [19:27:59] *** Quits: roshanavand (~Thunderbi@replaced-ip ) (Client Quit)
3273 [19:28:07] *** Joins: centrx (~centrx@replaced-ip )
3274 [19:28:07] *** Quits: centrx (~centrx@replaced-ip ) (Changing host)
3275 [19:28:07] *** Joins: centrx (~centrx@replaced-ip )
3276 [19:28:11] *** Quits: centrx (~centrx@replaced-ip ) (Remote host closed the connection)
3277 [19:28:23] *** Joins: roshanavand (~Thunderbi@replaced-ip )
3278 [19:28:26] <johnfg> I'm dealing with an openafs-client problem on stretch. How can I check if certain ports are open or closed?
3279 [19:28:42] *** Joins: czesmir (~stefan@replaced-ip )
3280 [19:28:43] <Atm0spher1c> johnfg, sudo ss -aptun
3281 [19:29:00] *** Quits: sorin-mihai (equinox@replaced-ip ) (Remote host closed the connection)
3282 [19:29:10] *** Quits: Beretta021 (~Beretta02@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)
3283 [19:29:18] *** Joins: sorin-mihai (equinox@replaced-ip )
3284 [19:29:42] * greycat still doesn't know what "open" and "closed" are supposed to mean in the context of TCP ports, except "I used nmap"
3285 [19:29:49] *** Joins: TheCoffeMaker (~TheCoffeM@replaced-ip )
3286 [19:29:49] *** Quits: TheCoffeMaker (~TheCoffeM@replaced-ip ) (Changing host)
3287 [19:29:49] *** Joins: TheCoffeMaker (~TheCoffeM@replaced-ip )
3288 [19:30:07] *** Joins: RebelCoderRU (~Yuriy@replaced-ip )
3289 [19:30:22] *** Quits: pythonsnake (~pythonsna@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)
3290 [19:30:37] *** Joins: shannara (~Stanislas@replaced-ip )
3291 [19:30:38] <shannara> 8
3292 [19:30:47] <johnfg> Atm0spher1c: thanks
3293 [19:31:54] *** Quits: Jacob843 (~Jacob843@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
3294 [19:32:00] *** debhelper sets mode: +l 1693
3295 [19:32:05] <simbalion`> jelly: okay I think I've removed all the dmo stuff, thanks for your help
3296 [19:32:26] *** Joins: alxy (uid115853@replaced-ip )
3297 [19:32:27] <simbalion`> I'm having difficulty upgrading dolphin to the version in stretch, it says it has unmet dependencies
3298 [19:32:54] *** Quits: cheako (~cheako@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
3299 [19:32:59] <tx> paste issue
3300 [19:33:02] <tx> hastebin.com or w/e
3301 [19:33:14] *** Quits: ujjain (~ujjain@replaced-ip##) (Quit: ZNC - 1.6.0 - ##replaced-url
3302 [19:33:25] *** Joins: notebox (~textual@replaced-ip )
3303 [19:33:27] *** Joins: Nekojimi (~jimj316@replaced-ip )
3304 [19:33:31] <simbalion`> replaced-url
3305 [19:33:38] <johnfg> greycat: so, when I ran nmap 192.168.100.193 (my scratch vm ip) -p1-65535, it only shows 22, 80, and 389 open.
3306 [19:33:53] *** Joins: wonderworld (~ww@replaced-ip )
3307 [19:33:56] <greycat> Yup, an nmap user. I knew it.
3308 [19:34:04] *** r0Oter is now known as r00ter
3309 [19:34:26] <greycat> Does nmap's "open" mean "I sent a TCP handshake to this port and managed to connect", or what? I never could understand their terminology.
3310 [19:34:41] *** Joins: Jacob843 (~Jacob843@replaced-ip )
3311 [19:34:42] <tx> simbalion`: what distro?
3312 [19:34:44] <tx> /version
3313 [19:34:59] <simbalion`> tx: stretch, I just upgraded last night
3314 [19:35:01] <jhutchins_wk> Open just means it received a response from something listening on that port.
3315 [19:35:06] *** Quits: cfm76 (~cfm@replaced-ip ) (Remote host closed the connection)
3316 [19:35:28] *** Quits: HugsWontletgo (~HugsWontl@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
3317 [19:35:38] <johnfg> greycat: :-)
3318 [19:35:59] <simbalion`> when I did a dist-upgrade it said dolphin was being held back, so I figured I'd try to update it
3319 [19:36:01] <johnfg> How would I open both the tcp/udp ports 7000-7005?
3320 [19:36:12] *** Quits: misirk85 (~misirk85@replaced-ip ) (Quit: Leaving)
3321 [19:36:21] *** Quits: B[]rG (~tuptidup@replaced-ip ) (Remote host closed the connection)
3322 [19:36:26] <greycat> ....
3323 [19:36:35] *** Quits: cnu- (~u@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
3324 [19:36:37] * greycat bangs head repeatedly upon desk
3325 [19:36:49] *** Quits: hiya (hiya@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)
3326 [19:36:56] *** Quits: SpaceKookie (~SpaceKook@replaced-ip ) (Disconnected by services)
3327 [19:37:02] *** Joins: SpaceKookie (~SpaceKook@replaced-ip )
3328 [19:37:03] *** Quits: Merixer (~Merixer@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
3329 [19:37:07] <tx> johnfg: you need to use the ports for something
3330 [19:37:13] <greycat> (a) have some process listen to these ports. (b) remove whatever firewall would prevent them from receiving packets, or from sending response packets.
3331 [19:37:15] <tx> something needs to be listening on them
3332 [19:37:16] *** Quits: dunderproto (~dunderpro@replaced-ip ) (Remote host closed the connection)
3333 [19:37:42] <johnfg> They're needed for openafs. Actually, not all 6 for the client, but for openafs in general.
3334 [19:38:02] <jhutchins_wk> johnfg: That's the Apple file sharing protocol?
3335 [19:38:21] *** Quits: Cabanossi (~Cabanossi@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
3336 [19:38:27] *** SpaceKookie is now known as Guest90954
3337 [19:38:46] <johnfg> jhutchins_wk: andrew distributed file system.
3338 [19:39:17] <jelly> johnfg: there's nothing to "open" if there's no firewall, the default is everything is open
3339 [19:39:31] *** Joins: electro33 (uid613@replaced-ip )
3340 [19:39:51] <johnfg> jelly: Why then does the nmap cmd only return those 3 I mentioned?
3341 [19:40:14] <simbalion`> johnfg: a port can be open (not firewalled) but non-responding.
3342 [19:40:20] <greycat> because you HAVEN'T GOT THE LISTENING PROCESS RUNNING YET
3343 [19:40:28] <`Kevin> johnfg: as noted above ^ if you do not have someting listenning on the socket/port then a port scanner is not going to show it as open
3344 [19:40:39] <`Kevin> because nothing responds.
3345 [19:40:41] <jelly> johnfg: possibley because you don't have any other listeners running on the other 997 well-known ports it tests?
3346 [19:40:51] *** Joins: shabius (~shaburov1@replaced-ip )
3347 [19:41:06] <Atm0spher1c> simbalion`, run dist-upgrade again
3348 [19:41:09] <johnfg> I do have openafs-client running, but there's a problem with it rw-ing the directories in my cell.
3349 [19:41:17] *** Joins: Cabanossi (~Cabanossi@replaced-ip )
3350 [19:41:35] *** Quits: Wizek_ (~Wizek@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
3351 [19:41:43] <simbalion`> Atm0spher1c: says 0 to upgrade
3352 [19:41:43] <`Kevin> `client` ?
3353 [19:42:01] <Atm0spher1c> update first
3354 [19:42:05] <simbalion`> Atm0spher1c: I did
3355 [19:42:07] <jelly> simbalion`: did you do the rest of the dmm remove recipe? "apt-get -f install" before trying to reinstall removed packages?
3356 [19:42:15] *** Joins: Freemon (~a@replaced-ip )
3357 [19:42:22] <simbalion`> jelly: yep
3358 [19:42:22] <johnfg> `Kevin: to me? Yes, openafs-client. debian jessie is my openafs-fileserver.
3359 [19:42:24] *** Joins: tty0_ (~NA@replaced-ip )
3360 [19:42:34] <greycat> johnfg: "ss -t -l" will show the TCP ports that are being listened-to.
3361 [19:42:40] <simbalion`> jelly: the dmm stuff is all gone
3362 [19:42:44] <Freemon> any1 alive?
3363 [19:42:44] <johnfg> Other clients can connect and rw with no problems.
3364 [19:42:49] <jelly> simbalion`: then follow the "basic apt troubleshooting" again with dolphin install attempt in mind
3365 [19:42:50] <Freemon> i need some help
3366 [19:42:52] <johnfg> greycat: thanks.
3367 [19:43:04] <jelly> simbalion`: if it scrolled off, /msg dpkg bat
3368 [19:43:04] <simbalion`> jelly: okay
3369 [19:43:08] <Atm0spher1c> simbalion`, cat /etc/debian_version
3370 [19:43:32] <`Kevin> johnfg: follow that command greycat pointed out, my point is simply that typically client processes to not listen on a port they just connect to something that is listening
3371 [19:43:36] <`Kevin> do not/
3372 [19:43:49] <Freemon> any1 use pHYCHARM IDE here?
3373 [19:43:57] <Freemon> or any Intellif Ids?
3374 [19:44:03] <Freemon> Intellij
3375 [19:44:15] <johnfg> Nothing's listening on them.
3376 [19:44:33] <Freemon> anyone ?
3377 [19:44:54] <tx> Freemon: dude
3378 [19:44:54] <Atm0spher1c> Freemon, hell no!
3379 [19:44:56] <`Kevin> johnfg: fileserver for openafs is port 7000/udp, try ss -u -l
3380 [19:44:57] <tx> you asked like a minute ago
3381 [19:44:58] <tx> calm down
3382 [19:45:08] *** Quits: kzimmermann (~username@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
3383 [19:45:15] <Freemon> areplaced-url
3384 [19:45:18] <Freemon> why not
3385 [19:45:22] <jelly> Freemon: irc is an asynchronous protocol, be patient
3386 [19:45:46] *** Parts: spacemn (~dnc@replaced-ip )
3387 [19:45:51] <Freemon> :(
3388 [19:45:55] *** Quits: Jacob843 (~Jacob843@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
3389 [19:45:57] <jelly> people don't get a notification for every line written her
3390 [19:45:58] *** Joins: cnu- (~u@replaced-ip )
3391 [19:46:23] <Freemon> can some one tell me when i get dam squar sign on Intellij IDEs ?.. so weird
3392 [19:46:35] *** Joins: bauerj_ (~bauerj@replaced-ip )
3393 [19:46:38] <Freemon> i mean words are dam squar signs
3394 [19:46:39] *** Joins: apt (ibot@replaced-ip )
3395 [19:46:40] *** Joins: Merixer (~Merixer@replaced-ip )
3396 [19:46:43] *** Quits: notebox (~textual@replaced-ip ) (Quit: My Mac Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…)
3397 [19:46:48] <tx> ok..
3398 [19:47:16] <greycat> Missing fonts? That's what gives me "rectangles" in certain web browsers.
3399 [19:47:20] <simbalion`> Freemon: Have you tried #jetbrains?
3400 [19:47:31] <simbalion`> Freemon: I use phpstorm but I don't know if I can help you
3401 [19:47:35] *** Joins: KingsQuest (~suspt@replaced-ip )
3402 [19:47:39] <Freemon> well i tried font i dont know its doesnt works...
3403 [19:47:53] <Freemon> pycharm = better than phpstorm
3404 [19:48:07] <jmcnaught> Freemon: or maybe try one of the free IDEs in Debian. GNOME Builder is new and looks interesting. There's also eric, spyder and quite a few others
3405 [19:48:07] <Freemon> + i need anroid studio
3406 [19:48:10] <tx> you mean square brackets?
3407 [19:48:10] <tx> [ ]
3408 [19:48:12] *** Quits: bauerj_ (~bauerj@replaced-ip ) (Remote host closed the connection)
3409 [19:48:13] <simbalion`> thanks guys I did apt-cache on all the dolphin dependencies and installed them manually and now dolphin installs
3410 [19:48:13] <apt> simbalion`: my pleasure
3411 [19:48:15] <Freemon> that too have all squar signs
3412 [19:48:35] <simbalion`> Freemon: whatever, phpstorm does everything I need.
3413 [19:48:54] <jelly> simbalion`: bet it doesn't show pretty squares!
3414 [19:49:04] *** Joins: Jacob843 (~Jacob843@replaced-ip )
3415 [19:49:05] *** Joins: jnavila (~jnavila@replaced-ip )
3416 [19:49:21] <Freemon> man i want to know the reason not alternative recomendations
3417 [19:49:23] <simbalion`> jelly: I have no idea what that means :)
3418 [19:49:37] <simbalion`> Freemon: contact jet brains support they've been very helpful to me
3419 [19:49:54] *** Joins: Circuitsoft (4b92a52b@replaced-ip )
3420 [19:50:15] <Freemon> i contacted them they adviced me to check java .. which i did but still same
3421 [19:50:20] <jelly> simbalion`: doesn't matter. See if apt-get dist-upgrade still shows something is held back, if there's nothing to upgrade then that's it
3422 [19:50:27] <Freemon> telling me to chk jdk path
3423 [19:50:30] <`Kevin> Freemon: did you identify which fonts are used in the file?
3424 [19:50:31] *** Joins: danke (~danke@replaced-ip )
3425 [19:50:40] <simbalion`> jelly: nope!
3426 [19:50:57] <maxxe> BluesKaj, am also a home user
3427 [19:50:58] <Freemon> i cant identify anything whole UI font appears to be sqare signs
3428 [19:51:29] <johnfg> 'Kevin nothing there either.
3429 [19:51:42] *** Quits: nix64bit (~Thunderbi@replaced-ip ) (Quit: nix64bit)
3430 [19:52:00] <Freemon> i changed fonts to debian default fonts still same
3431 [19:52:41] <Circuitsoft> Anyone know why openjdk-7-jdk owns 106,000 files under /usr/share/doc?
3432 [19:53:03] <Circuitsoft> "dpkg-query -L openjdk-7-jdk | fgrep /usr/share/doc/openjdk-7-jre-headless/test-amd64 | wc -l" gives 106566
3433 [19:53:16] <jmcnaught> Freemon: the reason i suggested alternatives is because the software included with Debian is supported here. If you have trouble with a third party proprietary software you should be asking the people who sold it you for help.
3434 [19:53:21] <`Kevin> johnfg: ok then you do not have openafs fileserver running
3435 [19:53:24] *** Quits: dreamon_ (~dreamon@replaced-ip ) (Remote host closed the connection)
3436 [19:53:35] *** Quits: Almtesh_veut_son (~Almtesh@replaced-ip##) (Quit: ZNC - ##replaced-url
3437 [19:54:12] *** Joins: Almtesh (~Almtesh@replaced-ip )
3438 [19:54:14] <Freemon> hmm the weird thing is that when i installed in in vmware after installing fresh installing debian fonts were fine ... now i dont know where is stuck on this
3439 [19:54:31] <jmcnaught> Freemon: also you get a signed photograph of RMS in the mail if you learn emacs, another great options
3440 [19:55:11] <Freemon> emacs from Pros not for me
3441 [19:55:11] *** Quits: tatalazo (~Thunderbi@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)
3442 [19:55:40] <Freemon> their is a thin line i draw between cli and gui
3443 [19:56:06] *** Joins: hiya (hiya@replaced-ip )
3444 [19:56:12] *** Joins: Jacob8432 (~Jacob843@replaced-ip )
3445 [19:56:15] *** Quits: GJdan (~dan@replaced-ip ) (Quit: WeeChat 1.8-dev)
3446 [19:56:40] *** Quits: Jacob843 (~Jacob843@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
3447 [19:57:20] <`Kevin> Freemon: lsof the process where it works and see what fonts it is using (lsof -n -p 12345 | grep '\.ttf$') compare to where it is broken and see if there is a difference where 12345 is the pid
3448 [19:57:27] <`Kevin> that should to some extent at least rule out one possibility
3449 [19:57:45] <cronicx> jelly: why does the chaik says that i need 2.15? ( /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.15' not found )
3450 [19:57:53] <cronicx> *check
3451 [19:58:07] <Freemon> Kevin u think its font issue?
3452 [19:58:59] <`Kevin> im not sure what else to check offhand but that sone possibility as others also noted yea
3453 [19:59:23] *** Joins: GJdan (~dan@replaced-ip )
3454 [19:59:35] *** Quits: danke (~danke@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
3455 [19:59:40] *** Joins: abu0 (~abu0@replaced-ip )
3456 [20:00:11] <greycat> If installing whatever fonts you can think of to make replaced-url
3457 [20:00:22] *** Joins: kms_ (~kms@replaced-ip )
3458 [20:00:24] *** Joins: bcd (~bcd@replaced-ip )
3459 [20:00:32] *** Joins: notebox (~textual@replaced-ip )
3460 [20:00:39] *** Quits: sbasso (~sbasso@replaced-ip ) (Remote host closed the connection)
3461 [20:00:45] <kms_> how to turn alert sounds off in gnome shell?
3462 [20:01:10] <kms_> after reboot it turned on again
3463 [20:01:43] <BluesKaj> maxxe, I can only say thet kde/plasma has been very stable on my old pc (2008 vintage), everything works fine, even the legacy nvidia-340 driver
3464 [20:01:46] *** Joins: ujjain (~ujjain@replaced-ip )
3465 [20:01:47] *** Quits: ujjain (~ujjain@replaced-ip ) (Changing host)
3466 [20:01:47] *** Joins: ujjain (~ujjain@replaced-ip )
3467 [20:01:58] <Freemon> thx
3468 [20:02:41] *** Quits: datasmurf (~datasmurf@replaced-ip ) (Quit: WeeChat 1.7.1)
3469 [20:02:47] <maxxe> BluesKaj, okey. perhaps I should upgrade.
3470 [20:03:04] <BluesKaj> maxxe, which DE?
3471 [20:03:14] *** Quits: gnunix (~smuxi@replaced-ip ) (Remote host closed the connection)
3472 [20:03:21] *** SugoiBeans is now known as sleepinbeans
3473 [20:03:23] <maxxe> de?
3474 [20:03:29] <Freemon> Pycharm IDe
3475 [20:03:45] <BluesKaj> desktop environment, maxxe
3476 [20:03:48] *** Quits: jnavila (~jnavila@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
3477 [20:04:07] <maxxe> xfce
3478 [20:04:44] <maxxe> have it on the server too. but there I can wait to upgrade.
3479 [20:05:06] *** Quits: Freemon (~a@replaced-ip ) (Quit: Leaving)
3480 [20:05:08] <BluesKaj> maxxe, think you'll be fine with xfce afaik
3481 [20:05:09] *** Joins: TomasCZ (~TomasCZ@replaced-ip )
3482 [20:05:16] *** Joins: sondr3 (~sondr3@replaced-ip )
3483 [20:05:50] <maxxe> BluesKaj, yeah. seems like stretch is close also. 'Debian Stretch ETA 2017-06-17'
3484 [20:06:10] <BluesKaj> yup june 17th
3485 [20:06:14] <greycat> where are you seeing that?
3486 [20:06:14] *** Joins: domovoy (~domovoy@replaced-ip )
3487 [20:06:22] *** Joins: datasmurf (~datasmurf@replaced-ip )
3488 [20:06:24] <jelly> /topic
3489 [20:06:26] *** Quits: datasmurf (~datasmurf@replaced-ip ) (Client Quit)
3490 [20:06:36] <BluesKaj> greycat, topic
3491 [20:06:44] *** Joins: abu0_ (~abu0@replaced-ip )
3492 [20:06:46] <greycat> OK... where did themill see it? :-/
3493 [20:06:53] <jelly> that would be telling!
3494 [20:07:23] *** Parts: sebboh (~user@replaced-ip )
3495 [20:07:45] *** Joins: datasmurf (~datasmurf@replaced-ip )
3496 [20:07:47] <greycat> Ah, replaced-url
3497 [20:07:50] *** Quits: datasmurf (~datasmurf@replaced-ip ) (Client Quit)
3498 [20:08:19] *** Quits: abu0 (~abu0@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)
3499 [20:08:25] *** Joins: datasmurf (~datasmurf@replaced-ip )
3500 [20:08:38] *** Joins: nick8325 (~user@replaced-ip )
3501 [20:09:24] *** Joins: tvm (~tvm@replaced-ip )
3502 [20:09:37] *** Joins: tictacbum (~kvirc@replaced-ip )
3503 [20:09:47] *** tvm is now known as Guest86676
3504 [20:10:14] *** Quits: sondr3 (~sondr3@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)
3505 [20:10:32] *** Quits: robotroll (~robotroll@replaced-ip ) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
3506 [20:10:51] <jmcnaught> kms_: you turned them off in settings > sound > sound effects and set the alert volume to off?
3507 [20:11:42] <kms_> yes
3508 [20:12:19] <jmcnaught> kms_: do you have pavucontrol installed? can you check that system sounds is muted there?
3509 [20:12:20] <tictacbum> Hello, I am trying to make fn keys work on a laptop, some are working other not. The vol up/down keys trigger "press" event on showkey, but not the "release" one
3510 [20:12:40] *** Joins: tx32_ (~txMesa@replaced-ip )
3511 [20:13:20] *** Quits: mtn (~mtn@replaced-ip ) (Remote host closed the connection)
3512 [20:13:24] *** Joins: zuiss1 (~zuiss1@replaced-ip )
3513 [20:14:54] *** Joins: Haudegen (~quassel@replaced-ip )
3514 [20:15:00] *** Quits: Guest86676 (~tvm@replaced-ip ) (Quit: leaving)
3515 [20:15:05] <kms_> i am install pavucontrol now
3516 [20:15:05] *** Joins: jonspw (~jonspw@replaced-ip )
3517 [20:15:08] *** Quits: erabti____ (~erabti@replaced-ip ) (Remote host closed the connection)
3518 [20:15:18] <kms_> system sounds is muted
3519 [20:15:18] *** Joins: tvm_ (~tvm@replaced-ip )
3520 [20:15:41] *** Quits: makr__ (~makr@replaced-ip ) (Quit: Lost terminal)
3521 [20:15:50] <jmcnaught> so what program is making sounds? non-GNOME programs aren't necessarily going to use the same notification system
3522 [20:15:57] <jonspw> Hey, does anyone know if it's possible to adjust sudo rules in debian live (clonezilla) so that "sudo su" is not possible from the default "user"? My rules seem to be having 0 impact and I'm a bit lost as to why.
3523 [20:16:09] *** Joins: erabti____ (~erabti@replaced-ip )
3524 [20:16:55] <kms_> i am go to reboot
3525 [20:16:57] *** Quits: kms_ (~kms@replaced-ip ) (Quit: Leaving)
3526 [20:17:04] <BluesKaj> jonspw, add yourself to the sudo group
3527 [20:17:07] *** Joins: StathisA (~StathisA@replaced-ip )
3528 [20:17:15] *** Joins: danke (~danke@replaced-ip )
3529 [20:17:37] <jonspw> BluesKaj i'm working in the squashfs file. "user" doesn't seem to actually exist which i think is the source of my problems. ie it has no entry in /etc/passwd or /etc/shadow
3530 [20:17:38] <tvm_> alright, what do i do to get through this gmail "authentication" procedure with Thunderbird on jessie ? I've had same problem on other platforms, but update solved that. There's no backport of newer thunderbird for jessie.
3531 [20:17:42] *** Joins: nullbyte_ (~null@replaced-ip )
3532 [20:18:15] <jelly> jonspw: what does "id -a" say when you run it as that default user?
3533 [20:18:28] *** Quits: dionysus69 (~Thunderbi@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)
3534 [20:18:31] <jonspw> good one. gonna check.
3535 [20:18:39] <BluesKaj> jonspw, sorry dunno how the live medis permissions works ,..missed that
3536 [20:18:51] *** Quits: nullbyte_ (~null@replaced-ip ) (Client Quit)
3537 [20:18:54] *** Joins: dayten (~gnoid@replaced-ip )
3538 [20:18:57] <jmcnaught> tvm_: i briefly used a gmail account with thunderbird on jessie, and from what i recall it defaulted to OAUTH, and came up with a little browser window to authenticate the first time
3539 [20:19:04] *** Joins: ryouma (~user@replaced-ip )
3540 [20:19:08] <jonspw> jelly 1000
3541 [20:19:19] <jelly> jonspw: that's not all it says
3542 [20:19:26] <jelly> or is it?
3543 [20:19:29] <jonspw> well of course not
3544 [20:19:46] <jelly> jonspw: what does "id -a" say when you run it as that default user? All of it please.
3545 [20:19:51] *** Quits: roshanavand (~Thunderbi@replaced-ip ) (Quit: roshanavand)
3546 [20:20:35] *** Quits: Introoter (uid189461@replaced-ip ) (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity)
3547 [20:20:54] <jonspw> uid=1000(user gid=1000(user) groups=1000(user),24(cdrom) - etc etc. rest of groups listed are just giving it access to subsystems
3548 [20:20:55] <tvm_> jmcnaught: that is exactly the problem
3549 [20:21:12] <greycat> Paste. Paste. The. Results. Do not mistype parts of it.
3550 [20:21:18] *** Joins: SuperTramp83 (~SuperTram@replaced-ip )
3551 [20:21:21] <jelly> jonspw: what else is in etc. etc. part?
3552 [20:21:28] *** Joins: kms_ (~kms@replaced-ip )
3553 [20:21:40] <greycat> note that he also dropped the ) after uid=1000(user
3554 [20:21:45] <jonspw> 25(floppy),29(audio),30(dip),44(video),36(plugdev),109(netdev)
3555 [20:21:45] <jmcnaught> tvm_: when you add the account do you let thunderbird figure out the details, or are you trying to configure it manually for IMAP and password access or something like that?
3556 [20:21:46] <greycat> no telling what other errors he introduced
3557 [20:22:00] *** debhelper sets mode: +l 1700
3558 [20:22:01] <jonspw> Yeah, manually typing, sorry.
3559 [20:22:06] <kms_> after reboot system sounds is unmuted
3560 [20:22:18] <jelly> jonspw: show the complete output. I'm interested in whether it lists a sudo or wheel group for a start.
3561 [20:22:21] <kms_> i want mute it permanently
3562 [20:22:32] <tvm_> jmcnaught: the button does nothing, it's apparently fixed problem in later releases, but i have to use what is available, i'm adding existing account, it's the SMS authorization window
3563 [20:22:57] *** Quits: Bock (~bocaneri@replaced-ip ) (Remote host closed the connection)
3564 [20:23:00] <jonspw> copy/paste: uid=1000(user) gid=1000(user) groups=1000(user),24(cdrom),25(floppy),29(audio),30(dip),44(video),46(plugdev),109(netdev)
3565 [20:23:02] <jmcnaught> tvm_: "the button"?
3566 [20:23:12] *** Joins: krytarik (~krytarik@replaced-ip )
3567 [20:23:25] <jelly> jonspw: if it doesn't, that means there is some non-default way it's given permission to run commands under sudo.
3568 [20:24:02] <jonspw> perhaps it's something clonezilla is doing, but it appears to literally just have a script it execs to run their GUI on top of debian live and not be doing anything system-side itself
3569 [20:24:04] <tvm_> jmcnaught: it asks for email or phone, then you're supposed to click "next" and advance, but it's broken
3570 [20:24:15] <jelly> jonspw: that in turn probably means some modification in /etc/sudoers or a file under /etc/sudoers.d/
3571 [20:24:25] *** Joins: Rust3dCor3 (~Rust3dCor@replaced-ip )
3572 [20:24:30] <jonspw> jelly nope, /etc/sudoers is default and no includes.
3573 [20:24:37] *** Joins: SonicFreq (~SonicFreq@replaced-ip )
3574 [20:24:39] <tvm_> jmcnaught: had same issue on other box, update solved it, but i can't just "update" on jessie since there's nothing newer available
3575 [20:24:45] <jonspw> in fact, i tried putting my sudo rules in /etc/sudoers but they have no impact on this default user.
3576 [20:24:50] *** Joins: faw (~faw@replaced-ip )
3577 [20:25:05] <jmcnaught> tvm_: what version of thunderbird do you have? "apt-cache policy thunderbird"
3578 [20:25:13] <jelly> jonspw: if that is true, I have no idea why sudo works. Possibly they tampered with /etc/pam.d/sudo
3579 [20:25:34] <jonspw> that doesn't appear to be the case either :(
3580 [20:25:46] <jelly> then ask the clonezilla people.
3581 [20:25:52] <tvm_> jmcnaught: Installed: 1:45.8.0-3~deb8u1
3582 [20:26:07] *** Quits: Ekchuan_ (~RandyMars@replaced-ip##) (Quit: Textual IRC Client: ##replaced-url
3583 [20:26:08] <jelly> jonspw: can you pastebin their /etc/sudoers?
3584 [20:26:13] <jelly> !paste
3585 [20:26:13] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: replaced-url
3586 [20:26:41] <SuperTramp83> kms_, I think you want to blacklist the relevant module replaced-url
3587 [20:26:45] *** Quits: danke (~danke@replaced-ip ) (Quit: Leaving)
3588 [20:26:52] <jonspw> jelly replaced-url
3589 [20:26:52] <jelly> ,v thunderbird
3590 [20:26:53] <judd> Package: thunderbird on amd64 -- wheezy-security: 1:45.8.0-3~deb7u1; jessie: 1:45.8.0-3~deb8u1; jessie-security: 1:45.8.0-3~deb8u1; stretch: 1:45.8.0-3; sid: 1:45.8.0-3
3591 [20:26:54] <jonspw> nothing in sudoers.d
3592 [20:27:33] <jmcnaught> tvm_: the gmail account i had been using didn't have two factor authentication. did you try another mail client?
3593 [20:27:56] <kms_> but why system sounds is turned on after reboot?
3594 [20:28:01] <tvm_> jmcnaught: it works elsewhere, just not in this version of thunderbird
3595 [20:28:07] *** Joins: dionysus69 (~Thunderbi@replaced-ip )
3596 [20:28:11] *** Joins: Ekchuan (~RandyMars@replaced-ip )
3597 [20:28:15] *** Joins: Fryntiz (~Thunderbi@replaced-ip )
3598 [20:28:40] <tvm_> so i can either disable two factor auth or find some workaround
3599 [20:29:05] <jmcnaught> or get a new email address :P
3600 [20:29:09] <jelly> jonspw: weird
3601 [20:29:25] *** Joins: tonyoy (~ay@replaced-ip )
3602 [20:29:27] <tvm_> jmcnaught: well, not planning that yet ;-)
3603 [20:29:34] <jelly> jonspw: nothing weird in that file tho. And "sudo -i" works for that user?
3604 [20:29:41] <jonspw> jelly yep, i'm totally banging my head against a wall here. makes no sense.
3605 [20:30:00] <jonspw> it's passwordless sudo, yes.
3606 [20:30:04] <jelly> jonspw: does the user have any password set in /etc/shadow?
3607 [20:30:16] *** Quits: HarveyPwca (~HarveyPwc@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
3608 [20:30:22] <wyre> gnome accounts is asking me permanently for my credentials
3609 [20:30:31] <jonspw> nope. nothing to be found for "user" or id 1000 in /etc/shadow or /etc/passwd
3610 [20:30:32] <wyre> when I open any app
3611 [20:30:37] <wyre> how can I fix this?
3612 [20:30:42] <wyre> should I reconfigure something?
3613 [20:31:00] *** Quits: hagridaaron (~hagridaar@replaced-ip ) (Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…)
3614 [20:31:01] *** Joins: Velgor (~Velgor@replaced-ip )
3615 [20:31:03] *** Joins: Gaxpaxxo (~Gazpacho@replaced-ip )
3616 [20:31:05] *** Quits: thiras (~thiras@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
3617 [20:31:09] <jmcnaught> kms_: you could try looking in "journalctl --user -b" to see if there is are any clues in your logs
3618 [20:32:05] <jmcnaught> jonspw: is it some weird hacky script in rc.local that adds the user account when it boots? the clonezilla people probably know more
3619 [20:32:14] *** Joins: h1t3sh (~h1t3sh@replaced-ip )
3620 [20:32:38] <jonspw> no rc.local file
3621 [20:32:42] <SuperTramp83> kms_, **if** your goal is to **permanently** mute all sound, input included, then blacklisting is the way to go. Now, why you'd want that and the reason of clear sound allergy implied within I actually ignore, but that's ok too ^^
3622 [20:33:12] *** Joins: HarveyPwca (~HarveyPwc@replaced-ip )
3623 [20:33:57] <jmcnaught> uhh… blacklisting modules to disable system sounds in GNOME is not a good idea. just unplug speakers if you want no sounds. kms_ has a user level issue, not a system level one
3624 [20:34:05] <tx> go a step further
3625 [20:34:12] <tx> remove the sound IC from your motherboard
3626 [20:34:19] <tx> don't want those CIA people getting in :P
3627 [20:34:30] <tx> (jk)
3628 [20:34:36] *** Quits: KingsQuest (~suspt@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
3629 [20:34:52] <greycat> he might have a builtin speaker that can't be disabled at the hardware level (without intrusive steps)
3630 [20:35:17] <greycat> so it's not a completely wrong answer, though I suspect it's not the desired one either
3631 [20:35:24] <jmcnaught> still i don't think they want no sounds, just no beeps for notifications
3632 [20:35:56] <BluesKaj> jmcnaught, I'm sure there's a method to to disable system sounds, depends on the DE which method is available.
3633 [20:36:02] <Circuitsoft> For my purposes, blacklisting pcspkr took care of all my sound problems.
3634 [20:36:06] <SuperTramp83> well, they should clarify it for us
3635 [20:36:28] *** Joins: remo (~user@replaced-ip )
3636 [20:36:37] *** Joins: dreamon (~dreamon@replaced-ip )
3637 [20:36:45] <kms_> this problem on different computers, on clear debian 8.8, i want turn off only system sounds like a "Drip"
3638 [20:36:47] *** Quits: Slashman (~Slash@replaced-ip ) (Quit: Leaving)
3639 [20:36:56] <greycat> The original question strongly implied that he HAD managed to disable the undesired sounds via GNOME clicky-crap but that it was being undone upon rebooting, or possibly upon logout (wasn't clearly stated).
3640 [20:37:35] <jmcnaught> disabling system sounds in GNOME works for me on jessie and stretch. i hate system sounds.
3641 [20:37:42] <SuperTramp83> oh, it appears I joined the channel late..
3642 [20:37:49] <tx> system sounds are so 90's
3643 [20:37:50] <tx> :)
3644 [20:38:21] *** Quits: yusrideb (~yusrideb@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
3645 [20:38:32] *** Joins: yusrideb (~yusrideb@replaced-ip )
3646 [20:38:48] *** Joins: MystaMax (~MystaMax@replaced-ip )
3647 [20:38:51] *** Joins: vonsyd0w (~vonsyd0w@replaced-ip )
3648 [20:39:27] *** Quits: Tiffon (~name@replaced-ip ) (Quit: exit)
3649 [20:40:32] *** Quits: tx32_ (~txMesa@replaced-ip ) ()
3650 [20:40:57] *** Joins: Introoter (uid189461@replaced-ip )
3651 [20:41:27] *** Joins: hagridaaron (~hagridaar@replaced-ip )
3652 [20:41:48] *** Quits: savantgarde (~savantgar@replaced-ip ) (Remote host closed the connection)
3653 [20:41:51] *** Joins: Mavverick (~Mavverick@replaced-ip )
3654 [20:42:00] *** debhelper sets mode: +l 1708
3655 [20:42:05] *** Joins: savantgarde (~savantgar@replaced-ip )
3656 [20:42:10] *** Quits: m-H7 (~mathias@replaced-ip ) (Quit: Leaving.)
3657 [20:42:13] *** Parts: jonspw (~jonspw@replaced-ip )
3658 [20:42:19] *** jken is now known as jken|away
3659 [20:42:37] *** Quits: savantgarde (~savantgar@replaced-ip ) (Remote host closed the connection)
3660 [20:42:44] *** Joins: xt233 (~xenotheme@replaced-ip )
3661 [20:42:55] *** Joins: slicepaperwords (~slicepape@replaced-ip )
3662 [20:43:08] *** Quits: Levure (~quassel@replaced-ip ) (Remote host closed the connection)
3663 [20:43:09] *** gftg is now known as gftg_away
3664 [20:43:10] *** Joins: th0r (~th0r@replaced-ip )
3665 [20:43:11] *** Quits: Mavverick (~Mavverick@replaced-ip ) (Client Quit)
3666 [20:43:46] *** Quits: slicepaperwords (~slicepape@replaced-ip ) (Client Quit)
3667 [20:44:06] *** Joins: slicepaperwords (~slicepape@replaced-ip )
3668 [20:44:13] *** Joins: savantgarde (~savantgar@replaced-ip )
3669 [20:44:13] *** Quits: savantgarde (~savantgar@replaced-ip ) (Remote host closed the connection)
3670 [20:44:43] *** Parts: xt233 (~xenotheme@replaced-ip )
3671 [20:44:58] *** Quits: hagridaaron (~hagridaar@replaced-ip ) (Client Quit)
3672 [20:45:00] *** Joins: savantgarde (~savantgar@replaced-ip )
3673 [20:45:01] *** Quits: savantgarde (~savantgar@replaced-ip ) (Remote host closed the connection)
3674 [20:45:47] *** Joins: kw21 (~kw21@replaced-ip )
3675 [20:46:56] *** Joins: savantgarde (~savantgar@replaced-ip )
3676 [20:47:25] *** Quits: savantgarde (~savantgar@replaced-ip ) (Remote host closed the connection)
3677 [20:47:40] *** Joins: altin (~altin@replaced-ip )
3678 [20:47:40] *** Quits: altin (~altin@replaced-ip ) (Changing host)
3679 [20:47:40] *** Joins: altin (~altin@replaced-ip )
3680 [20:47:52] *** Joins: kalipso (~kalipso@replaced-ip )
3681 [20:47:55] *** Quits: Circuitsoft (4b92a52b@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
3682 [20:49:37] *** Parts: johnfg (johnfg@replaced-ip )
3683 [20:49:50] *** Joins: eshlox (uid44222@replaced-ip )
3684 [20:50:12] *** katyucha is now known as Guest4704
3685 [20:50:37] <tictacbum> Trying to write an udev rule like the ones in /lib/udev/hwdb.d/60-keyboard.hwdb, how can I find my keyboard DMI data to match?
3686 [20:52:42] *** Joins: hagridaaron (~hagridaar@replaced-ip )
3687 [20:55:01] <jelly> possibly using dmidecode?
3688 [20:57:32] *** Joins: KingsQuest (~suspt@replaced-ip )
3689 [20:57:32] *** Quits: KingsQuest (~suspt@replaced-ip ) (Changing host)
3690 [20:57:32] *** Joins: KingsQuest (~suspt@replaced-ip )
3691 [20:57:40] *** Quits: gudbes (~gudbes@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
3692 [20:58:39] *** Quits: shabius (~shaburov1@replaced-ip ) (Remote host closed the connection)
3693 [20:59:01] *** Joins: OS-24362 (~OS-24362@replaced-ip )
3694 [20:59:06] *** Jacob8432 is now known as Jacob843
3695 [20:59:12] *** Quits: webpigeon (~quassel@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
3696 [21:00:11] *** Quits: OS-24362 (~OS-24362@replaced-ip ) (Client Quit)
3697 [21:01:01] *** Quits: vook (~vook@replaced-ip ) (Remote host closed the connection)
3698 [21:02:25] *** Quits: th0r (~th0r@replaced-ip ) (Quit: Leaving)
3699 [21:02:29] *** Joins: ebarch (ericbarchm@replaced-ip )
3700 [21:03:14] *** Joins: webpigeon (~quassel@replaced-ip )
3701 [21:04:21] *** Joins: sidetracking (~quassel@replaced-ip )
3702 [21:04:40] *** Quits: Dreaman (~deb@replaced-ip ) (Quit: Leaving)
3703 [21:05:24] *** Joins: jackNemrod (~Thunderbi@replaced-ip )
3704 [21:05:30] *** Joins: lethu (~lethu@replaced-ip )
3705 [21:05:40] *** Quits: dethos (~dethos@replaced-ip ) (Quit: Time to Go!)
3706 [21:06:05] *** Quits: SoyUnEmilio (uid230779@replaced-ip ) (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity)
3707 [21:06:34] *** Quits: lanartri (~lanartri@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)
3708 [21:07:50] *** Joins: sondr3 (~sondr3@replaced-ip )
3709 [21:08:21] *** Joins: tymczenko (~tymczenko@replaced-ip )
3710 [21:08:46] *** Joins: nikoma (~nikoma@replaced-ip )
3711 [21:08:46] *** Quits: nikoma (~nikoma@replaced-ip ) (Changing host)
3712 [21:08:46] *** Joins: nikoma (~nikoma@replaced-ip )
3713 [21:09:08] *** Joins: X0uL (~X0uL@replaced-ip )
3714 [21:10:17] *** Joins: sonicfreq_79 (~sonicfreq@replaced-ip )
3715 [21:10:19] *** Joins: shabius (~shaburov1@replaced-ip )
3716 [21:10:27] *** Quits: dermoth (~thomas@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
3717 [21:10:31] *** Joins: Dreaman (~deb@replaced-ip )
3718 [21:10:35] *** Joins: dermoth_ (~thomas@replaced-ip )
3719 [21:10:55] *** Quits: sonicfreq_79 (~sonicfreq@replaced-ip ) (Client Quit)
3720 [21:11:16] *** Quits: jubo2 (~juboxi@replaced-ip ) (Quit: Konversation terminated!)
3721 [21:11:23] *** dermoth_ is now known as dermoth
3722 [21:11:31] *** Joins: gudbes (~gudbes@replaced-ip )
3723 [21:11:54] *** Quits: mel00010 (~mel00010@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
3724 [21:12:06] *** Quits: sondr3 (~sondr3@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
3725 [21:12:25] *** Joins: wafflejock (~wafflej0c@replaced-ip )
3726 [21:13:03] *** Quits: smurfd_ (~smurfd@replaced-ip ) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
3727 [21:13:37] *** Parts: ebarch (ericbarchm@replaced-ip )
3728 [21:13:45] *** Quits: fr0tzed (~fr0tzed@replaced-ip ) (Quit: Leaving)
3729 [21:13:52] *** Parts: X0uL (~X0uL@replaced-ip )
3730 [21:14:22] *** Joins: lanartri (~lanartri@replaced-ip )
3731 [21:14:30] *** Joins: ebarch (ericbarchm@replaced-ip )
3732 [21:14:55] *** Quits: InfoTest (~Thunderbi@replaced-ip ) (Quit: InfoTest)
3733 [21:15:30] *** Parts: ebarch (ericbarchm@replaced-ip )
3734 [21:17:03] *** Quits: altin (~altin@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)
3735 [21:17:06] *** Quits: rgr_ (~rgr@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
3736 [21:18:58] *** Quits: nine_milli (~nine_mill@replaced-ip ) (Quit: nine_milli)
3737 [21:19:35] *** Quits: kms_ (~kms@replaced-ip ) (Remote host closed the connection)
3738 [21:20:29] *** Quits: deznuts (uid92154@replaced-ip ) (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity)
3739 [21:20:33] *** Joins: js9600 (~jsdk@replaced-ip )
3740 [21:21:05] *** Quits: wafflejock (~wafflej0c@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
3741 [21:21:31] *** Joins: Guest25 (~dontknow@replaced-ip )
3742 [21:21:33] *** Quits: Guest25 (~dontknow@replaced-ip ) (Remote host closed the connection)
3743 [21:22:00] *** debhelper sets mode: +l 1701
3744 [21:23:57] *** Joins: nine_milli (~nine_mill@replaced-ip )
3745 [21:24:07] *** Joins: jnavila (~jnavila@replaced-ip )
3746 [21:24:34] *** Quits: frostschutz (~frostschu@replaced-ip ) (Remote host closed the connection)
3747 [21:24:44] *** Quits: datasmurf (~datasmurf@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)
3748 [21:24:54] *** Quits: dontknow (~dontknow@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
3749 [21:25:00] *** Joins: wafflejock (~wafflej0c@replaced-ip )
3750 [21:25:20] *** Joins: mel00010 (~mel00010@replaced-ip )
3751 [21:26:06] *** Quits: mel00010 (~mel00010@replaced-ip ) (Max SendQ exceeded)
3752 [21:26:37] *** Joins: mel00010 (~mel00010@replaced-ip )
3753 [21:26:38] *** Quits: Fryntiz (~Thunderbi@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
3754 [21:27:06] *** Joins: macartur (~macartur@replaced-ip )
3755 [21:28:06] *** Joins: sbasso (~sbasso@replaced-ip )
3756 [21:28:36] *** Joins: LifeFrame (~smica@replaced-ip )
3757 [21:28:50] *** Joins: Antares (~Antares@replaced-ip )
3758 [21:29:04] <Antares> Всем пнивет
3759 [21:29:10] <Antares> yo!
3760 [21:29:12] <tx> yeah
3761 [21:29:27] *** Joins: diniwed (~gavron@replaced-ip )
3762 [21:29:37] *** Joins: datasmurf (~datasmurf@replaced-ip )
3763 [21:30:13] <Antares> Как дела?
3764 [21:30:30] <missmbob> !ru
3765 [21:30:30] <dpkg> Это английскоговорящий канал, пожалуйста, говорите по-английски или посетите #debian-russian (irc.freenode.net) (Russian speakers please go to #debian-russian)
3766 [21:31:01] *** Joins: dontknow (~dontknow@replaced-ip )
3767 [21:31:01] *** Quits: dontknow (~dontknow@replaced-ip ) (Changing host)
3768 [21:31:01] *** Joins: dontknow (~dontknow@replaced-ip )
3769 [21:32:00] *** debhelper sets mode: +l 1708
3770 [21:32:34] *** Joins: robotroll (~robotroll@replaced-ip )
3771 [21:35:34] *** Quits: robotroll (~robotroll@replaced-ip ) (Remote host closed the connection)
3772 [21:35:54] *** Quits: wafflejock (~wafflej0c@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
3773 [21:36:24] *** Quits: bluszcz (~bluszcz@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
3774 [21:36:38] *** Joins: robotroll (~robotroll@replaced-ip )
3775 [21:37:59] *** Quits: ltem (~ltem@replaced-ip ) (Quit: Leaving)
3776 [21:38:00] *** Joins: p0001223 (~pissoffne@replaced-ip )
3777 [21:38:10] <p0001223> replaced-url
3778 [21:38:20] <p0001223> whenever I mount my external hard drive my computer goes into admin mode
3779 [21:38:23] *** Quits: sorin-mihai (equinox@replaced-ip ) (Remote host closed the connection)
3780 [21:38:26] <p0001223> i commented out lines 14-16 so my server boots up
3781 [21:38:33] <greycat> ... what is "admin mode"
3782 [21:38:35] *** Joins: callidvs (~Icedove@replaced-ip )
3783 [21:38:41] <p0001223> mount -a says parse error at line 14 --- ignored
3784 [21:38:48] <p0001223> it forces me to login as root
3785 [21:38:50] *** Joins: bluszcz (~bluszcz@replaced-ip )
3786 [21:38:53] <greycat> Oh, you meam "it doesn' boot".
3787 [21:40:02] *** Quits: tictacbum (~kvirc@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)
3788 [21:40:09] *** Quits: robotroll (~robotroll@replaced-ip ) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
3789 [21:40:18] <greycat> So is the actual problem "If I DON'T connect my external hard drive, my computer won't boot (mount failure, drops to single user mode and prompts for root passwd), but if I DO connect it, everything is fine"? If so: use the "noauto" option in fstab for the removable device.
3790 [21:40:18] <p0001223> no idea im rebooting now to get the correct verbiage
3791 [21:40:22] *** Quits: lanartri (~lanartri@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
3792 [21:40:34] <p0001223> no it has to mount on boot
3793 [21:40:39] <p0001223> that's not the answer
3794 [21:40:50] <p0001223> service zoneminder needs to access it immediately
3795 [21:40:54] <greycat> Then perhaps I don't have the problem correct yet. What are you trying to do?
3796 [21:41:02] <p0001223> there is obviously an issue with my fstab entry
3797 [21:41:07] <p0001223> where i have no idea
3798 [21:41:11] <p0001223> replaced-url
3799 [21:41:28] <greycat> That isn't useful. We need to know what the problem is first.
3800 [21:41:34] <p0001223> okay its called emergency mode not admin mode
3801 [21:41:53] *** tvm_ is now known as tvm
3802 [21:41:54] *** Quits: BluesKaj (~Blues@replaced-ip ) (Quit: Konversation terminated!)
3803 [21:42:16] <p0001223> what happens? replaced-url
3804 [21:43:01] *** Joins: root (~root@replaced-ip )
3805 [21:43:05] *** Joins: bit1 (~joseanton@replaced-ip )
3806 [21:43:07] <greycat> Are you saying "I cannot mount the partitions *at all* not even in a standard root shell after booting"?
3807 [21:43:15] <p0001223> i can't even type mount -a
3808 [21:43:21] <p0001223> and it fails on boot as well
3809 [21:43:23] *** root is now known as Guest13794
3810 [21:43:30] *** Quits: nick8325 (~user@replaced-ip ) (Quit: ERC (IRC client for Emacs 25.1.1))
3811 [21:43:38] <missmbob> systemd[1]: dev-sdb1.mount: Unit entered failed state.
3812 [21:43:39] *** Quits: Guest13794 (~root@replaced-ip ) (Client Quit)
3813 [21:44:07] <greycat> 14 #UUID=d9148201-a5fa-4839-885a-81a2e18afdf7 /dev/sdb1 /newdrive ext4 defaults 0 2
3814 [21:44:09] *** Quits: tanay (Elite19022@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)
3815 [21:44:17] *** Joins: navlys (~smuxi@replaced-ip )
3816 [21:44:25] <p0001223> what's wrong with that entry?
3817 [21:44:27] <greycat> You don't specify the UUID *and* the transient device name (/dev/whatever). You specify one or the other.
3818 [21:44:39] <p0001223> oh
3819 [21:44:43] <p0001223> let me try that thanks
3820 [21:44:48] <p0001223> so remove /dev/sdb1 then?
3821 [21:44:51] <greycat> yes
3822 [21:45:05] *** Joins: ignuki (~inaki@replaced-ip )
3823 [21:45:08] *** Quits: dan (d@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
3824 [21:46:15] *** Quits: jonathan_x (5c6da7b6@replaced-ip ) (Quit: Page closed)
3825 [21:46:20] *** Quits: ledixus (ledixus@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
3826 [21:46:50] <p0001223> handfuls of people have looked at the same entries and didn't notice the same mistake
3827 [21:46:51] <p0001223> thank you
3828 [21:47:01] <p0001223> -didn't notice the mistake
3829 [21:47:19] *** Joins: LtL (~irssi@replaced-ip )
3830 [21:48:18] *** Joins: ledixus (ledixus@replaced-ip )
3831 [21:48:18] *** Quits: graytron (~tero@replaced-ip ) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
3832 [21:48:50] *** Quits: sbasso (~sbasso@replaced-ip ) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
3833 [21:48:53] *** Quits: callidvs (~Icedove@replaced-ip ) (Quit: callidvs)
3834 [21:49:24] *** Quits: cereal_poster (~Cereal@replaced-ip ) (Remote host closed the connection)
3835 [21:49:29] *** Joins: oty (~oty___@replaced-ip )
3836 [21:49:57] *** Quits: Quatroking_ (~Quatrokin@replaced-ip ) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
3837 [21:50:45] *** Quits: remo (~user@replaced-ip ) (Remote host closed the connection)
3838 [21:50:55] *** Quits: GJdan (~dan@replaced-ip ) (Quit: WeeChat 1.8-dev)
3839 [21:51:17] *** Quits: bblindy (~bblinder@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)
3840 [21:52:01] *** debhelper sets mode: +l 1697
3841 [21:52:02] *** Quits: dreamon (~dreamon@replaced-ip ) (Remote host closed the connection)
3842 [21:52:03] *** Joins: danke (~danke@replaced-ip )
3843 [21:52:53] *** Joins: lanartri (~lanartri@replaced-ip )
3844 [21:52:56] *** Quits: Haudegen (~quassel@replaced-ip ) (Remote host closed the connection)
3845 [21:53:33] *** Joins: graytron (~tero@replaced-ip )
3846 [21:53:54] *** Joins: savantgarde (~savantgar@replaced-ip )
3847 [21:54:31] *** Joins: sbasso (~sbasso@replaced-ip )
3848 [21:55:13] *** Quits: bast (~Bastet@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
3849 [21:55:26] *** Quits: ASpacy (~JeDa@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
3850 [21:55:55] *** Joins: owvt (~owvt@replaced-ip )
3851 [21:56:08] *** Quits: owvt (~owvt@replaced-ip ) (Max SendQ exceeded)
3852 [21:57:08] *** Quits: Antares (~Antares@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)
3853 [21:57:39] *** Joins: Antares (~Antares@replaced-ip )
3854 [21:57:57] *** Joins: SonicFreq_ (~SonicFreq@replaced-ip )
3855 [21:58:43] *** Quits: savantgarde (~savantgar@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)
3856 [21:58:59] *** Joins: ASpacy (~JeDa@replaced-ip )
3857 [21:59:05] *** Quits: meLon (~meLon@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
3858 [22:00:33] *** Joins: meLon (~meLon@replaced-ip )
3859 [22:00:43] *** Joins: bast (~Bastet@replaced-ip )
3860 [22:00:44] *** Quits: bast (~Bastet@replaced-ip ) (Changing host)
3861 [22:00:44] *** Joins: bast (~Bastet@replaced-ip )
3862 [22:00:44] <jhutchins_wk> Did someone mention that that line is commented out?
3863 [22:00:59] *** Quits: OptimusMKD (~Risto@replaced-ip ) (Quit: Leaving)
3864 [22:01:02] *** Joins: zachary_ (~zachary@replaced-ip )
3865 [22:01:02] <greycat> Yeah, I think we got that.
3866 [22:01:23] *** Joins: tictacbum (~kvirc@replaced-ip )
3867 [22:02:28] *** Quits: SonicFreq_ (~SonicFreq@replaced-ip ) (Remote host closed the connection)
3868 [22:02:28] *** Quits: graytron (~tero@replaced-ip ) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
3869 [22:02:56] *** Joins: thiras (~thiras@replaced-ip )
3870 [22:03:09] *** Joins: Haudegen (~quassel@replaced-ip )
3871 [22:03:27] *** Quits: drjnovak (~UrsidaeJo@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)
3872 [22:03:32] *** Quits: tictacbum (~kvirc@replaced-ip ) (Client Quit)
3873 [22:03:33] *** Quits: ignuki (~inaki@replaced-ip ) (Quit: leaving)
3874 [22:03:35] *** Quits: RebelCoder (~Yuriy@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
3875 [22:03:39] *** Joins: nullbyte_ (~null@replaced-ip )
3876 [22:03:45] *** Joins: Beretta021 (~Beretta02@replaced-ip )
3877 [22:03:46] *** Quits: Beretta021 (~Beretta02@replaced-ip ) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
3878 [22:03:49] *** Joins: ignuki (~inaki@replaced-ip )
3879 [22:03:54] *** Quits: chachasmooth (~chachasmo@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
3880 [22:04:38] *** Quits: nullbyte_ (~null@replaced-ip ) (Client Quit)
3881 [22:05:01] *** Quits: ignuki (~inaki@replaced-ip ) (Client Quit)
3882 [22:06:24] *** Quits: Antares (~Antares@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
3883 [22:07:32] *** Joins: chachasmooth (~chachasmo@replaced-ip )
3884 [22:07:47] *** Quits: Obi-Wan (~obi-wan@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
3885 [22:07:48] *** Joins: graytron (~tero@replaced-ip )
3886 [22:07:53] *** Quits: cvcxc (~cvcxc@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
3887 [22:08:57] *** Quits: Makeeter (~FF@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
3888 [22:09:44] *** Quits: qqx (~qqx@replaced-ip ) (Remote host closed the connection)
3889 [22:09:49] *** Joins: ignuki (~inaki@replaced-ip )
3890 [22:09:51] *** Joins: qqx (~qqx@replaced-ip )
3891 [22:10:00] *** Joins: UrsidaeJohn (~UrsidaeJo@replaced-ip )
3892 [22:10:26] *** Quits: gre (gre@replaced-ip ) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
3893 [22:10:34] *** Joins: gre (gre@replaced-ip )
3894 [22:11:05] *** Quits: scoobert1on (~tom@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
3895 [22:11:12] *** Quits: ignuki (~inaki@replaced-ip ) (Client Quit)
3896 [22:11:22] *** Joins: scoobertron (~tom@replaced-ip )
3897 [22:11:52] <jhutchins_wk> Ah, yes, he knows he commented it because it was broken, presumably he'll enable the corrected line sooner or later.
3898 [22:12:04] *** Joins: tanay (Elite19022@replaced-ip )
3899 [22:12:53] *** Joins: dan (d@replaced-ip )
3900 [22:13:17] <p0001223> greycat figured it out thanks though
3901 [22:13:25] *** Quits: dan (d@replaced-ip ) (Changing host)
3902 [22:13:25] *** Joins: dan (d@replaced-ip )
3903 [22:13:27] <p0001223> i can't believe i overlooked that so many times
3904 [22:13:42] *** Joins: dreamon (~dreamon@replaced-ip )
3905 [22:14:05] *** Joins: CuteMeOwnThroat (~iridos@replaced-ip )
3906 [22:14:16] *** Quits: sbasso (~sbasso@replaced-ip ) (Remote host closed the connection)
3907 [22:14:25] *** Joins: AlexLikeRock (~AlexLikeR@replaced-ip )
3908 [22:14:49] *** Quits: Orphis (~orphis@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)
3909 [22:15:20] *** Joins: Zyf (Zyferus@replaced-ip )
3910 [22:15:58] *** Joins: sbasso (~sbasso@replaced-ip )
3911 [22:16:11] *** Joins: Orphis (~orphis@replaced-ip )
3912 [22:16:25] *** Quits: sidmo (~sidmo@replaced-ip ) (Write error: Broken pipe)
3913 [22:16:25] *** Quits: chalcedony (~chalcedon@replaced-ip ) (Excess Flood)
3914 [22:16:25] *** Quits: CeBe (~cebe@replaced-ip ) (Excess Flood)
3915 [22:16:28] *** Quits: CutMeOwnThroat (~iridos@replaced-ip ) (Remote host closed the connection)
3916 [22:16:28] *** Quits: Zyferus (Zyferus@replaced-ip ) (Remote host closed the connection)
3917 [22:16:33] *** Joins: sidmo (~sidmo@replaced-ip )
3918 [22:16:35] *** Joins: CeBe (~cebe@replaced-ip )
3919 [22:16:52] *** Joins: chalcedony (~chalcedon@replaced-ip )
3920 [22:17:04] *** Joins: GJdan (~dan@replaced-ip )
3921 [22:17:26] *** Joins: x032cx (~lxuser@replaced-ip )
3922 [22:17:42] *** Joins: ignuki (~inaki@replaced-ip )
3923 [22:17:44] *** Joins: gryffus (~gryffus@replaced-ip )
3924 [22:17:56] *** Quits: h1t3sh (~h1t3sh@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
3925 [22:18:06] *** Joins: tictacbum (~kvirc@replaced-ip )
3926 [22:18:40] *** Joins: MutterMan (~Mutter@replaced-ip )
3927 [22:18:47] *** Quits: sbasso (~sbasso@replaced-ip ) (Remote host closed the connection)
3928 [22:19:53] *** Joins: sbasso (~sbasso@replaced-ip )
3929 [22:20:58] *** Joins: fggfgfg (51209b8f@replaced-ip )
3930 [22:21:00] *** Quits: pantato (~onesixpug@replaced-ip ) (Remote host closed the connection)
3931 [22:21:03] *** Quits: dreamon (~dreamon@replaced-ip ) (Remote host closed the connection)
3932 [22:21:46] <fggfgfg> made a mistake and ran a process from ssh without using screen. It's very important this process doesn't stop. What can I do¿? Can I open another terminal, connect through ssh and make it permanent somehow? please help
3933 [22:21:55] *** Joins: dreamon (~dreamon@replaced-ip )
3934 [22:21:58] *** Quits: amcorreia (~amcorreia@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)
3935 [22:22:01] *** debhelper sets mode: +l 1703
3936 [22:22:13] *** Quits: MutterMan (~Mutter@replaced-ip ) (Client Quit)
3937 [22:22:38] <greycat> There's reptyr but I don't know how trustworthy it is.
3938 [22:23:44] <phogg> fggfgfg: you can background and disown the process. CTRL+Z, then say bg to put it into the background, then say disown to disconnect it from the terminal job control. If you need its stdout/stderr you will lose them if/when the terminal exits.
3939 [22:23:49] *** Joins: Antares (~Antares@replaced-ip )
3940 [22:24:11] <phogg> fggfgfg: some processes do not cope with losing stdin/stderr/stdout and can crash if they're taken away; it's not common but it can happen
3941 [22:24:17] *** Joins: The_Loko (~The_Loko@replaced-ip )
3942 [22:24:18] *** Quits: dayten (~gnoid@replaced-ip ) (Quit: Lost terminal)
3943 [22:24:21] *** Quits: Cabanossi (~Cabanossi@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
3944 [22:24:23] <fggfgfg> phogg i don't think this process will do well if I do ctrl z
3945 [22:24:27] <fggfgfg> doesn't that pause it?
3946 [22:24:34] <greycat> Yes.
3947 [22:24:35] <phogg> fggfgfg: yes.
3948 [22:24:51] <fggfgfg> I can't pause it
3949 [22:24:54] <fggfgfg> man I'm fucked
3950 [22:24:56] <phogg> fggfgfg: that's usually not a problem. is your process doing something realtime?
3951 [22:25:01] <fggfgfg> yes
3952 [22:25:35] *** Joins: FungiFox (~FF@replaced-ip )
3953 [22:25:36] <greycat> Well, try reptyr.
3954 [22:25:38] <fggfgfg> if I write random stuff do I keep the ssh session alive or it will expire sooner or later anyway?
3955 [22:25:39] <mutante> "retty" and "reptyr" but both are like "at your own risk" (i mean, what isn't )
3956 [22:25:44] <phogg> fggfgfg: your only other option is what greycat said
3957 [22:26:12] <mutante> for the next time you could make it so that screen starts automatically each time you login .. i guess
3958 [22:26:13] <jhutchins_wk> fggfgfg: You can background it and disown it, but I'm not sure what happens to any output.
3959 [22:26:19] *** Joins: Cabanossi (~Cabanossi@replaced-ip )
3960 [22:26:38] <greycat> jhutchins_wk: he claims he can't suspend it even for a fraction of a second in order to bg it.
3961 [22:26:42] <jhutchins_wk> Automatically starting screen at login can lead to unusable accounts. Trust me on this.
3962 [22:27:06] <jhutchins_wk> AH, I see phogg was ahead of me.
3963 [22:27:15] <mutante> ok, heh. then just "DONT FORGET SCREEN" >> /etc/motd
3964 [22:27:24] <fggfgfg> can't I open a new ssh session with the same user?
3965 [22:27:38] <greycat> Sure, why not.
3966 [22:27:38] <phogg> fggfgfg: whether the ssh session stays open depends on various settings. If bytes continue to transmit from client to server it will keep it open longer, but network interrupts will still kill it
3967 [22:27:40] <jhutchins_wk> fggfgfg: Yes, but it won't have any relation/connection to the current session.
3968 [22:27:40] <fggfgfg> if I write random stuff/press enter repeatedly even if it's only an "output", will I keep the ssh session alive?
3969 [22:27:50] *** Quits: woyzeck (~woyzeck@replaced-ip ) (Quit: woyzeck)
3970 [22:27:57] <greycat> Dude, that is not your main concern here.
3971 [22:28:04] <fggfgfg> jhutchins_wk: but it's a process, I must be able to do something to it so it doesn't crash when my ssh session expires
3972 [22:28:11] *** Quits: Rust3dCor3 (~Rust3dCor@replaced-ip ) (Remote host closed the connection)
3973 [22:28:53] <bit1> could I suggest nohup process.sh > output.txt & ?
3974 [22:28:57] <phogg> jhutchins_wk: reptyr or background+disown. Both have risks. Next time remember to tmux/screen first.
3975 [22:29:00] *** Joins: HugsWontletgo (~HugsWontl@replaced-ip )
3976 [22:29:01] <Antares> Русскоговорящие есть?
3977 [22:29:15] <greycat> Open new session, run screen in it, reptyr the process over to the new pty inside screen. Use at your own risk, YMMV.
3978 [22:29:27] *** Quits: jero- (~ID100T@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
3979 [22:29:32] *** Quits: Merixer (~Merixer@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)
3980 [22:29:33] *** Quits: cnu- (~u@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)
3981 [22:29:36] *** Quits: hiya (hiya@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
3982 [22:29:57] <jhutchins_wk> Much in *nix depends on planning ahead.
3983 [22:30:22] *** Quits: shannara (~Stanislas@replaced-ip ) (Quit: Leaving)
3984 [22:30:26] *** Joins: cnu- (~u@replaced-ip )
3985 [22:31:08] <Antares> replaced-url
3986 [22:31:23] *** Quits: sbasso (~sbasso@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
3987 [22:31:31] <phogg> jhutchins_wk: much in life also
3988 [22:31:32] *** Joins: tatalazo (~Thunderbi@replaced-ip )
3989 [22:32:29] <fggfgfg> you guys are good philosophers but I don't need a philosopher right now
3990 [22:32:34] <fggfgfg> what about debian ssh connections
3991 [22:32:44] <greycat> Open new session, run screen in it, reptyr the process over to the new pty inside screen. Use at your own risk, YMMV.
3992 [22:32:46] <fggfgfg> can I modify their settings in real time somehow so this one doesn't ever expire?
3993 [22:32:52] <mutante> what is the process actually doing i wonder now
3994 [22:32:57] <greycat> Does he have me on ignore?
3995 [22:32:58] <fggfgfg> greycat: what's the risk?
3996 [22:33:11] <fggfgfg> ymmv
3997 [22:33:11] *** Joins: WoodLeg (~WoodLeg@replaced-ip )
3998 [22:33:12] <greycat> The risk is that reptyr may not work and then who the fuck knows what happens.
3999 [22:33:13] <mutante> it exists. nobody really knows. that's why it's yours
4000 [22:33:14] *** Joins: hid3 (~arnoldas@replaced-ip )
4001 [22:33:30] <fggfgfg> greycat: then shut the fuck up if you are not sure about anything I ask
4002 [22:33:35] <greycat> *plonk*
4003 [22:33:35] <fggfgfg> I got enough of you already
4004 [22:33:44] <mutante> now that was rude. end of suuport
4005 [22:33:54] *** Joins: humbot (~i@replaced-ip )
4006 [22:33:59] <phogg> fggfgfg: reptyr doesn't handle processes with children very well, it may be a problem if the process you're running is trying to interact with stdin in certain ways, plus other less common things
4007 [22:34:48] <fggfgfg> I can't afford a risk, can I tell debian somehow to avoid closing this ssh session due to inactivity?
4008 [22:34:48] <Violinist> lel
4009 [22:34:49] *** Joins: jero- (~ID100T@replaced-ip )
4010 [22:34:58] <phogg> fggfgfg: no one is sure because *we don't know what process you're running*. I also can't tell how bad accidentally killing it is, only you can know that, so I cannot assess the risk.
4011 [22:35:02] *** Joins: r3 (~arethree@replaced-ip )
4012 [22:35:05] *** Joins: deznuts (uid92154@replaced-ip )
4013 [22:35:06] *** Joins: hiya (hiya@replaced-ip )
4014 [22:35:07] *** Quits: Vizva (~max@replaced-ip ) (Remote host closed the connection)
4015 [22:35:15] <phogg> fggfgfg: no setting that you alter after the session has started will affect that
4016 [22:35:30] *** Quits: zuiss1 (~zuiss1@replaced-ip ) (Quit: Leaving)
4017 [22:36:06] <fggfgfg> phogg: what do you mean by you don't know what process I'm running?
4018 [22:36:29] <Violinist> guys
4019 [22:36:33] <Violinist> find . -name '*.js' -exec sed -i 's/foo/bar/g' {} +
4020 [22:36:33] <Violinist> find . -name "*.txt" -print0 | xargs -0 sed -i '' -e 's/foo/bar/g'
4021 [22:36:37] <Violinist> which is better?
4022 [22:36:39] *** Quits: erabti____ (~erabti@replaced-ip ) (Remote host closed the connection)
4023 [22:36:43] <greycat> The first one.
4024 [22:36:46] <Violinist> why
4025 [22:36:51] <mutante> how about avoiding the problem with inactivity by letting the session actually do some random thing in a loop.. until your process is done
4026 [22:36:52] <phogg> fggfgfg: you have some undefined process launched from a ssh session. If it's cp reparenting is probably safe, but I can't tell you if it's safe for your process
4027 [22:36:53] <jhutchins_wk> fggfgfg: If you can't afford a risk, what's your backup/backout plan?
4028 [22:37:04] <greycat> Occam's razor. Don't introduce new things unnecessarily. Like xargs.
4029 [22:37:27] *** Joins: erabti____ (~erabti@replaced-ip )
4030 [22:37:29] <fggfgfg> mutante: can I open a new ssh session and login with the same user ? that won't kill the current process, right?
4031 [22:37:31] *** Quits: GenteelBen (GenteelBen@replaced-ip ) ()
4032 [22:37:35] <fggfgfg> if I can, I will do what you say
4033 [22:37:38] <phogg> Violinist: find + sed vs. find + subshell + xargs + sed. You tell me which is simpler.
4034 [22:37:42] <Violinist> but will those have the same result ?
4035 [22:37:46] <jhutchins_wk> fggfgfg: No, but it won't connect to the current process either.
4036 [22:37:50] *** Joins: Merixer (~Merixer@replaced-ip )
4037 [22:38:09] <greycat> No, of course not. One is operating on *.js and the other on *.txt. And one uses the BSD sed -i '' thing and the other doesn't.
4038 [22:38:10] <jhutchins_wk> fggfgfg: I don't know what the limit is, but you can probably have as many different sessions for the same user as you have resources for.
4039 [22:38:33] <Violinist> ahh well lets say i set those the same
4040 [22:38:47] <Violinist> both have -i
4041 [22:38:51] <cysill> greycat: I thought sed -i was GNU only and that BSD lacked it
4042 [22:38:53] *** Joins: bblindy (~bblinder@replaced-ip )
4043 [22:39:02] <jhutchins_wk> fggfgfg: Linux is based on multi-user mainframe systems that can run a whole campus of users simultaneously.
4044 [22:39:06] <phogg> cysill: they have different versions
4045 [22:39:09] <greycat> FreeBSD sed has -i but it takes an argument. GNU's -i takes an optional argument.
4046 [22:39:30] <fggfgfg> jhutchins_wk: and yet still Linux is unable to keep this session alive
4047 [22:39:39] <phogg> fggfgfg: you didn't ask it to
4048 [22:39:46] <jhutchins_wk> fggfgfg: It is able, you must arrange it.
4049 [22:40:01] <phogg> fggfgfg: if you set it up *in advance* it can. Doing it retroactively is not supported in Linux (or anywhere).
4050 [22:40:01] <fggfgfg> sure
4051 [22:40:12] *** Quits: hikiko (~hikiko@replaced-ip##) (Quit: ZNC 1.6.2+deb2build1 - ##replaced-url
4052 [22:40:16] <jhutchins_wk> fggfgfg: It's not able to RETROACTIVELY change the mode the process was started in.
4053 [22:40:21] <fggfgfg> if that were true, I'd be able to do something now, but I am not
4054 [22:40:23] *** Quits: oty (~oty___@replaced-ip ) (Remote host closed the connection)
4055 [22:40:30] <mutante> maybe if you could explain why it is absolutely not an option to just stop it and start it again in screen 3 seconds later
4056 [22:40:31] <fggfgfg> obviously if any of us had a time machine we could solve every issue we've had in life
4057 [22:40:37] <fggfgfg> but I prefer to live in the present
4058 [22:40:42] *** Joins: amcorreia (~amcorreia@replaced-ip )
4059 [22:40:43] *** Joins: DammitJim (~DammitJim@replaced-ip )
4060 [22:40:50] <fggfgfg> mutante I lose 15.000$
4061 [22:41:04] <jhutchins_wk> fggfgfg: What happens if there is a hardware/electical failure while your process is running?
4062 [22:41:15] *** Joins: arny91_ (~arny91@replaced-ip )
4063 [22:41:27] <fggfgfg> jhutchins_wk: I got a battery
4064 [22:41:30] <mutante> fggfgfg: can you run the same process from another computer?
4065 [22:41:38] <fggfgfg> mutante: no
4066 [22:41:40] <teraflops> fggfgfg: so youre here for moral support? I can give you hug …
4067 [22:41:46] *** Joins: bytesquid_ (bytesquid@replaced-ip )
4068 [22:41:47] <phogg> fggfgfg: for 15k sit there and stare at it while periodically hitting a key to keep the session open.
4069 [22:41:48] *** Joins: arny91__ (~arny91@replaced-ip )
4070 [22:41:55] <fggfgfg> teraflops: I'm here for tech support, but all I get is philosoraptor
4071 [22:42:11] <phogg> there's a difference between tech support and philosophy?
4072 [22:42:12] <mutante> so if the harddisk dies.. how much will you lose then? 5 $ per second while getting the replacement?
4073 [22:42:16] <greycat> phogg: because there's 0% chance of a power failure on the CLIENT side. Sure.
4074 [22:42:19] <Violinist> do i need to escape . in sed?
4075 [22:42:30] <tw> if you want a literal period, yes.
4076 [22:42:38] <greycat> Violinist: in the search part, or any other BRE, yes.
4077 [22:42:40] *** Quits: RebelCoderRU (~Yuriy@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)
4078 [22:42:45] <phogg> greycat: there's also a 0% chance of backhoe, the ISP barfing, etc
4079 [22:42:46] <Violinist> ya i figured
4080 [22:42:51] <greycat> phogg: exactly...
4081 [22:42:59] <Violinist> but i noticed in "" you dont
4082 [22:43:05] <fggfgfg> phogg: so then pressing a key keeps the session open
4083 [22:43:09] <Violinist> but i think thats only grep
4084 [22:43:10] <fggfgfg> thanks
4085 [22:43:17] <phogg> fggfgfg: sending bytes over the wire resets the idle timer
4086 [22:43:23] <mutante> fggfgfg: so what i would do is script it.. put the "kill existing process, start screen, run it" all into a bash script.. make sure it's correct and then do it all with one command.. so it's simply as fast as possible
4087 [22:43:30] <greycat> But he shouldn't need to hit the space key every 120 seconds because he already programmed his ~/.ssh/config with ServerAliveInterval because he's so smart.
4088 [22:43:37] <`Kevin> fggfgfg: i think you are just getting advice from people who have been in your shoes and do not want you to make the same mistake(s) :)
4089 [22:44:03] <fggfgfg> I'm getting advice from people who like to help but also want to have fun before helping
4090 [22:44:12] *** Quits: Antares (~Antares@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
4091 [22:44:21] <greycat> mutante: run the script from *inside* screen
4092 [22:44:27] <phogg> fggfgfg: we've already offered all possible advice so there is nothing left but fun
4093 [22:44:27] *** Quits: arny91 (~arny91@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
4094 [22:44:42] <teraflops> fggfgfg: if you think we are laughing at you, youre definitely wrong
4095 [22:44:49] *** Quits: Ekchuan (~RandyMars@replaced-ip##) (Quit: Textual IRC Client: ##replaced-url
4096 [22:45:04] <fggfgfg> phogg: you helped me the moment you explained to me writing stuff (even if there's no terminal and it's just a window with an output) helps me to keep the session alive
4097 [22:45:05] <phogg> fggfgfg: you have to understand that 90% of questions are from people asking the wrong question by presupposing things that are not true. I am pretty sure your cases is included in that.
4098 [22:45:05] *** Quits: GumShoe_ (~IceChat9@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
4099 [22:45:14] *** Quits: sphenxes (~sphenxes@replaced-ip ) (Remote host closed the connection)
4100 [22:45:14] <fggfgfg> I wasn't sure that actually sent data to the server.. so thanks
4101 [22:45:14] *** Joins: lesik (5a4acf03@replaced-ip )
4102 [22:45:24] *** Quits: arny91_ (~arny91@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
4103 [22:45:27] <fggfgfg> phogg: then you're wrong
4104 [22:45:28] <phogg> fggfgfg: I said that long ago, too. Also Google can tell you that if you ask.
4105 [22:46:28] <phogg> fggfgfg: I'm struggling to imagine a scenario where being backgrounded for one second breaks something. Are you trading stocks? Controlling an object moving very fast?
4106 [22:46:54] <fggfgfg> I'm not interested in sharing my life with people who are being so cruel to me
4107 [22:46:59] *** Quits: KingsQuest (~suspt@replaced-ip ) (Remote host closed the connection)
4108 [22:47:00] *** Joins: sphenxes (~sphenxes@replaced-ip )
4109 [22:47:03] <phogg> fggfgfg: Nobody here is being cruel.
4110 [22:47:18] <Violinist> guys take it easy on the poor kid
4111 [22:47:22] <phogg> fggfgfg: We're trying to help as best we are able which, per experience, means questioning your assumptions.
4112 [22:47:38] <fggfgfg> phogg: what should I have asked Google to get that answer?
4113 [22:48:04] *** Joins: cheako (~cheako@replaced-ip )
4114 [22:48:06] <fggfgfg> phogg: question someone means offending someone, you're not supposed to question others but to try to learn from them
4115 [22:48:14] <fggfgfg> I didn't question any of you
4116 [22:48:39] *** Quits: Envil (~envil@replaced-ip ) (Remote host closed the connection)
4117 [22:48:53] *** Quits: lanartri (~lanartri@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
4118 [22:49:03] <`Kevin> fggfgfg: intelligent people do not provide basic instruction, we ask for detail to give you a proper solution
4119 [22:49:10] *** Quits: jnavila (~jnavila@replaced-ip ) (Remote host closed the connection)
4120 [22:49:35] <Violinist> yeah kevin ur suffering from intelligent person problem
4121 [22:49:37] *** Quits: LucaTM (~LucaTM@replaced-ip ) (Quit: To infinity and beyond...)
4122 [22:49:57] <`Kevin> and the trolls are about
4123 [22:49:58] <phogg> fggfgfg: ssh client detect idle
4124 [22:50:03] *** Joins: debish (~debish@replaced-ip )
4125 [22:50:25] <phogg> fggfgfg: this would lead to discussions of how idle works that reveals that any byte from the client will prevent it
4126 [22:50:27] *** Quits: DrBob (~boob@replaced-ip ) (Quit: Leaving)
4127 [22:50:33] *** Quits: lesik (5a4acf03@replaced-ip##) (Quit: ##replaced-url
4128 [22:50:42] *** Quits: sphenxes (~sphenxes@replaced-ip ) (Remote host closed the connection)
4129 [22:51:37] <phogg> fggfgfg: Also, excuse me WHAT? Questioning people asking questions is essential. If you think otherwise I recommend you try it for a while. I must understand your situation to solve your problem, the more thoroughly I understand it the better I can solve it.
4130 [22:51:41] <greycat> The ssh client/server don't give a rat's ass about "idle". That is a NAT thing. Your NAT router may care about your session going idle, and drop it. This is why you put ServerAliveInterval 300 in ~/.ssh/config on the client. Or the analogous thing on the server.
4131 [22:51:56] <phogg> fggfgfg: if you take offense... welcome to the club of people who don't get help
4132 [22:52:00] *** debhelper sets mode: +l 1697
4133 [22:52:14] *** Joins: sphenxes (~sphenxes@replaced-ip )
4134 [22:52:15] <`Kevin> ^
4135 [22:52:34] <fggfgfg> phogg: if you can't tell the difference between someone who doesn't know what his problem is, and someone who knows exactly what's going on and what he needs and asks for it
4136 [22:52:40] <fggfgfg> then you're not as smart as you think you are
4137 [22:52:50] *** Joins: Antares (~Antares@replaced-ip )
4138 [22:52:51] *** Joins: shadow (lucent@replaced-ip )
4139 [22:52:54] *** Joins: Darby_Crash (~Darby_Cra@replaced-ip )
4140 [22:53:00] <shadow> So... replaced-url
4141 [22:53:05] *** Quits: u0_a653 (~u0_a65@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
4142 [22:53:11] <phogg> fggfgfg: I can't tell the difference because most people who *THINK* they know exactly what's going on but don't act exactly like the ones who really do not know.
4143 [22:53:15] *** Quits: opencw (~opencw@replaced-ip ) (Quit: Leaving)
4144 [22:53:22] <shadow> what is the difference between bt-hybrid, iso-hybrid, and webboot?
4145 [22:53:31] <shadow> I looked and could not find a succinct answer
4146 [22:53:40] *** Joins: cdown (~cdown@replaced-ip )
4147 [22:53:53] <phogg> fggfgfg: and yeah I am still including you in that category. In my experience the person who actually understands what he needs is a myth; such a person doesn't ask for help.
4148 [22:53:57] <shadow> If that stackoverflow question were answered then I would not come here to ask :)
4149 [22:54:50] <fggfgfg> phogg: "In my experience the person who actually understands what he needs is a myth; such a person doesn't ask for help." -> wow man, you're becoming better at philosophy as the conversation goes by
4150 [22:54:59] <fggfgfg> congratulations, I personally liked that one very much
4151 [22:55:06] *** Quits: Dreaman (~deb@replaced-ip ) (Quit: Leaving)
4152 [22:55:17] *** Quits: ignuki (~inaki@replaced-ip ) (Quit: leaving)
4153 [22:55:50] <shadow> I find that webboot is referenced at replaced-url
4154 [22:56:02] <shadow> however what is the difference between bt-hybrid and iso-hybrid?
4155 [22:56:07] <phogg> fggfgfg: I cannot help but learn from my own experiences. I don't know how you could expect otherwise.
4156 [22:56:14] <tw> shadow: bt-hybrid is a torrent file of the iso-hybrid.
4157 [22:56:24] <`Kevin> shadow: bittorrent vs file/iso direct download
4158 [22:56:42] <shadow> `Kevin: tw: perfect thanks
4159 [22:56:51] <phogg> shadow: quick! now go answer the SO post and claim some upvotes
4160 [22:57:11] <shadow> ha ha I don't know how to do that, but I will post as guest
4161 [22:57:25] <fggfgfg> phogg: I will be here writing "sdfgjsgkfgj sfdkgpsd kofmgjodfg" to a terminal all night so we have time to know each other
4162 [22:57:36] *** Quits: jackNemrod (~Thunderbi@replaced-ip ) (Quit: jackNemrod)
4163 [22:57:40] <fggfgfg> I'd make a macro for it but I'm drunk and lazy
4164 [22:57:44] *** Quits: tty0_ (~NA@replaced-ip ) (Quit: Leaving.)
4165 [22:57:54] <phogg> fggfgfg: I won't be here that long, but you enjoy that. I recommend investing in one of those birds, Homer Simpson style.
4166 [22:59:10] <phogg> fggfgfg: replaced-url
4167 [22:59:36] *** Joins: jackNemrod (~Thunderbi@replaced-ip )
4168 [23:00:09] *** Joins: mgood7123_ (~mgood7123@replaced-ip )
4169 [23:00:11] <fggfgfg> i had to ask my son what you meant
4170 [23:00:21] <mgood7123_> how do i install debug packages
4171 [23:00:21] <fggfgfg> he used to watch the simpsons too
4172 [23:00:23] <shadow> does the webboot/ image just add the capability to web boot something else?
4173 [23:00:31] *** Quits: cdown (~cdown@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
4174 [23:00:40] *** Quits: hagridaaron (~hagridaar@replaced-ip ) (Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…)
4175 [23:00:45] <shadow> I see the webboot/ images are still quite large
4176 [23:00:57] *** Quits: bytesquid_ (bytesquid@replaced-ip ) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
4177 [23:01:15] <shadow> oh...
4178 [23:01:22] <shadow> it's a component used for a webboot image
4179 [23:02:13] *** Joins: davimore_ (~davimore@replaced-ip )
4180 [23:02:15] <teraflops> mgood7123_: with the package manager same as any other package
4181 [23:02:18] *** Quits: eternal-pain (~eternal-p@replaced-ip ) (Remote host closed the connection)
4182 [23:02:26] <Violinist> is debian 9 gona come with gnome?
4183 [23:02:32] <greycat> Yes.
4184 [23:02:36] <debish> hey!
4185 [23:02:39] <greycat> And KDE, and many other DEs.
4186 [23:02:41] <Violinist> yeah coz we dont like the other ones
4187 [23:02:52] <Violinist> but they did ruin gnome a bit
4188 [23:03:00] <greycat> Did you actually mean "Will it install GNOME by default?" Uh... maybe? I don't know.
4189 [23:03:01] <debish> I am fighting UEFI to try to install debian stretch from a bootable USB
4190 [23:03:10] <Violinist> yeah i did
4191 [23:03:19] <debish> despite being theoretically supported by debian installer (replaced-url
4192 [23:03:19] <mgood7123_> ik but what packages do i need to install
4193 [23:03:28] <debish> I can't boot the installer at all
4194 [23:03:28] <Darby_Crash> hi guys i've installed Stretch + Mate and i have a issue with libinput. I can't enable click on tap function
4195 [23:03:30] <mgood7123_> to generate a usefull crash log
4196 [23:03:31] *** Joins: hagridaaron (~hagridaar@replaced-ip )
4197 [23:03:32] <Violinist> coz i noticed the downloads used to include gnome in the title
4198 [23:03:38] <debish> any ideas, links, suggestions?
4199 [23:03:43] <greycat> You can install whichever DE(s) you like. You don't have to use the default.
4200 [23:03:54] <Violinist> i know but it should be preinstalled
4201 [23:04:10] <greycat> "downloads including gnome in the title" sounds like you are looking at *Live* images, not indistall images.
4202 [23:04:33] * greycat glares at his Ctrl key
4203 [23:04:44] *** Quits: davimore (~davimore@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
4204 [23:04:47] <shadow> phogg: replaced-url
4205 [23:05:34] <teraflops> mgood7123_: -dbg ones
4206 [23:05:41] <phogg> shadow: don't ask me, plenty of guidance on what makes a good SO answer abounds on the internet
4207 [23:05:52] <fggfgfg> stretch is terrible, but default is even more terrible
4208 [23:05:54] *** Quits: bsurfer (~bsurfer@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
4209 [23:06:01] <fggfgfg> debian progress is pretty slow, and when there's progress there are many bugs
4210 [23:06:20] *** Quits: C_P (~aaa@replaced-ip ) (Quit: Leaving)
4211 [23:06:23] <greycat> It's SO. Every answer will be wrong in some subtle (or obvious) way.
4212 [23:06:24] *** Quits: cheako (~cheako@replaced-ip ) (Quit: cheako)
4213 [23:06:33] <Darby_Crash> i've tryed to set it in Dconf but don't work
4214 [23:06:38] *** Joins: bsurfer (~bsurfer@replaced-ip )
4215 [23:07:20] *** Quits: jhutchins_wk (0c7e567a@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
4216 [23:07:42] <shadow> phogg: ha, ha. :)
4217 [23:07:46] <shadow> okay thanks everyone
4218 [23:07:57] <teraflops> Darby_Crash: what's wrong with using xinput and the console?
4219 [23:08:17] <shadow> last question is between "debian-live...standard" and "debian-live...gnome-desktop" aren't those the same?
4220 [23:08:33] <greycat> I'd imagine it refers to what's on the CD.
4221 [23:08:43] <greycat> Not that I care about Debian Live images. Like, at all.
4222 [23:08:48] <teraflops> Darby_Crash: know your tools…
4223 [23:09:00] <shadow> you're charming as always :D
4224 [23:09:00] *** Joins: davidcourtin (~textual@replaced-ip )
4225 [23:09:18] <greycat> !debian-live
4226 [23:09:18] <phogg> shadow: both will have GNOME desktops, but I don't know if they're actually identical
4227 [23:09:18] <dpkg> The Debian Live project provides pre-built Debian live system images and allows creation of your own. These can be used to install a Debian system. Live images are available from replaced-url
4228 [23:09:31] *** Joins: sondr3 (~sondr3@replaced-ip )
4229 [23:09:37] <Darby_Crash> hi teraflops, i want enable click on tap for my touchpad but it don't work
4230 [23:09:42] <greycat> If you have specific questions about the contents of one or more d-l images, ask the #debian-live folks on OFTC.
4231 [23:09:55] <shadow> phogg: thanks. I'm seeing the ISO direct downloads are quite a bit different in size
4232 [23:10:09] <teraflops> Darby_Crash: you said youre using libinput, right?
4233 [23:10:09] *** Joins: AvatarA (~avatara@replaced-ip )
4234 [23:10:14] <shadow> I guess more Gnome-ish things on the Gnome one.
4235 [23:10:28] *** Quits: hagridaaron (~hagridaar@replaced-ip ) (Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…)
4236 [23:10:28] *** Joins: C_P (~aaa@replaced-ip )
4237 [23:10:32] <Darby_Crash> on Stretch i have only it
4238 [23:10:35] *** Joins: bytesquid_ (~bytesquid@replaced-ip )
4239 [23:10:36] *** Quits: tvm (~tvm@replaced-ip ) (Remote host closed the connection)
4240 [23:10:44] <Darby_Crash> no more synaptic module
4241 [23:11:46] *** Quits: tictacbum (~kvirc@replaced-ip##) (Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium ##replaced-url
4242 [23:12:09] <greycat> dpkg, debian live =~ s/These can be used to install a Debian system./NOT recommended for installing Debian./
4243 [23:12:09] <dpkg> OK, greycat
4244 [23:12:40] <teraflops> Darby_Crash: take a look at replaced-url
4245 [23:12:49] <shadow> phogg: allegedly there's no UI on the Standard
4246 [23:12:54] <Darby_Crash> thanks teraflops
4247 [23:12:56] <shadow> GUI*
4248 [23:13:09] <phogg> Last time I tried to install from debian live it was unable to set up non-trivial partitioning (e.g. lvm and raid). True story.
4249 [23:13:22] <phogg> shadow: on the standard livecd? Really...
4250 [23:13:48] *** Quits: sondr3 (~sondr3@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
4251 [23:13:53] <teraflops> Darby_Crash: np, just try by hand first, changes applied on the fly, when you get the right params, make it persistent
4252 [23:14:35] <Darby_Crash> teraflops, ok, now i make a try
4253 [23:14:46] *** Quits: __builtin (~xray@replaced-ip ) (Quit: No Ping reply in 240 seconds.)
4254 [23:15:05] *** Joins: hagridaaron (~hagridaar@replaced-ip )
4255 [23:15:15] *** Joins: rgr_ (~rgr@replaced-ip )
4256 [23:15:22] <mgood7123_> how can i install the debug packages for these? "/usr/bin/kdevelop /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libQt5Core.so.5 /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libQt5Widgets.so.5 /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libQt5XcbQpa.so.5 /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libQt5Gui.so.5"
4257 [23:16:13] *** Joins: __builtin (~xray@replaced-ip )
4258 [23:16:20] <teraflops> mgood7123_: ask dpkg which package owns each library and install the -dbg ones
4259 [23:16:32] *** Quits: SonicFreq (~SonicFreq@replaced-ip ) (Remote host closed the connection)
4260 [23:18:06] <mgood7123_> how can i install the debug packages for these? "/usr/bin/kdevelop /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libQt5Core.so.5 /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libQt5Widgets.so.5 /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libQt5XcbQpa.so.5 /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libQt5Gui.so.5"
4261 [23:18:25] <mgood7123_> wtf my mouse is glitching up -_-
4262 [23:18:52] <mgood7123_> how do i do that
4263 [23:21:37] <teraflops> mgood7123_: man dpkg
4264 [23:22:17] <greycat> teraflops: more like "man apt-cache" but my first few lame attempts to find a libqt5 -dbg package have not succeeded.
4265 [23:22:24] <greycat> I am not strongly motivated, however.
4266 [23:22:33] <teraflops> dpkg -S should work there
4267 [23:22:33] <dpkg> Badgers ate my should work there!
4268 [23:22:35] *** Joins: plopi (56fc5544@replaced-ip )
4269 [23:22:45] <greycat> only if you already have the files
4270 [23:22:46] <teraflops> dpkg -S /usr/bin/kdevelop
4271 [23:22:47] <dpkg> There is no record of a /usr/bin/kdevelop package
4272 [23:22:53] <teraflops> or whatever
4273 [23:23:05] *** Quits: AlexLikeRock (~AlexLikeR@replaced-ip ) (Quit: Leaving)
4274 [23:23:23] <teraflops> greycat: looks like he already have those files
4275 [23:23:37] *** Quits: herbmillerjr (~herbmille@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)
4276 [23:23:42] <greycat> ... no, he wants the debug versions of those
4277 [23:23:52] <teraflops> ಠ_ಠ
4278 [23:24:23] <teraflops> teraflops ⎸ mgood7123_: ask dpkg which package owns each library and install the -dbg ones
4279 [23:24:37] *** Quits: Darby_Crash (~Darby_Cra@replaced-ip ) (Remote host closed the connection)
4280 [23:24:45] <greycat> teraflops: THE ENTIRE QUESTION is what is the NAME of these debug packages
4281 [23:24:52] <teraflops> ok …
4282 [23:24:52] <greycat> If they even exist.
4283 [23:25:39] *** Joins: eni (~eni@replaced-ip )
4284 [23:26:05] *** eni is now known as Guest92938
4285 [23:26:24] *** Quits: bytesquid_ (~bytesquid@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
4286 [23:26:39] *** Joins: smw_ (~smw@replaced-ip )
4287 [23:27:08] *** Joins: Darby_Crash (~Darby_Cra@replaced-ip )
4288 [23:27:20] <greycat> try, try, try, try, try, .... oh maybe the real libqt5-dev is this "qtbase5-dev" one?
4289 [23:27:29] *** Quits: plopi (56fc5544@replaced-ip##) (Quit: ##replaced-url
4290 [23:27:35] *** Quits: p0001223 (~pissoffne@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)
4291 [23:27:36] <greycat> Package: qtbase5-dbg
4292 [23:27:36] <greycat> State: not a real package (virtual)
4293 [23:27:37] <mgood7123_> libqt5gui5:amd64: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libQt5XcbQpa.so.5
4294 [23:27:37] <mgood7123_> libqt5widgets5:amd64: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libQt5Widgets.so.5
4295 [23:27:37] <mgood7123_> libqt5core5a:amd64: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libQt5Core.so.5
4296 [23:27:37] <mgood7123_> libqt5gui5:amd64: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libQt5Gui.so.5
4297 [23:27:37] *** mgood7123_ was kicked by debhelper (flood. Please use replaced-url
4298 [23:27:46] *** Quits: x032cx (~lxuser@replaced-ip ) (Quit: "You picked the wrong kite to run away with!")
4299 [23:27:52] *** Quits: Guest92938 (~eni@replaced-ip ) (Read error: No route to host)
4300 [23:28:03] *** Quits: biberu (~biberu@replaced-ip ) ()
4301 [23:28:08] *** Quits: danke (~danke@replaced-ip ) (Remote host closed the connection)
4302 [23:28:10] <phogg> what a novel naming convention
4303 [23:28:15] <teraflops> greycat: so your point here is not help at all but just flame and start endless discussions about others people help
4304 [23:28:46] *** Joins: mgood7123_ (~mgood7123@replaced-ip )
4305 [23:28:54] <phogg> teraflops: if he wasn't trying to help would he be trying to find the qt5 debug package?
4306 [23:28:57] <mgood7123_> rip
4307 [23:29:01] *** Quits: Masterphi (~Masterphi@replaced-ip ) (Remote host closed the connection)
4308 [23:29:06] <phogg> mgood7123_: use a pastebin
4309 [23:29:07] <Darby_Crash> teraflops, i have added in /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/40-libinput.conf: Option "Tapping" "on"
4310 [23:29:07] *** Joins: Tom01 (~tom@replaced-ip )
4311 [23:29:08] <greycat> No, I am actually TRYING to FIGURE OUT the fucking NAMES of the PACKAGES.
4312 [23:29:08] *** Quits: Introoter (uid189461@replaced-ip ) ()
4313 [23:29:17] <Darby_Crash> and it work
4314 [23:29:21] <Darby_Crash> ;)
4315 [23:29:26] <greycat> There doesn't appear to be any entry point.
4316 [23:29:34] <teraflops> yeah whatever, also your use of caps is really annoying
4317 [23:30:28] <greycat> qtbase5-dev is the nearest thing to a starting point I've found so far, but there's no qtbase5-dbg, except it apparently exists as a "virtual package", but nothing provides it according to apt-cache showpkg ...
4318 [23:30:29] <mgood7123_> libqt5gui5:amd64: libqt5widgets5:amd64: libqt5core5a:amd64: libqt5gui5:amd64:
4319 [23:30:31] *** Quits: DammitJim (~DammitJim@replaced-ip ) (Quit: Leaving)
4320 [23:31:09] <Darby_Crash> thanks again teraflops :)
4321 [23:31:10] <teraflops> mgood7123_: well use dpkg -S for installed packages or dlocate or apt-file or the debian web site
4322 [23:31:14] <teraflops> Darby_Crash: np
4323 [23:32:00] *** debhelper sets mode: +l 1686
4324 [23:32:32] *** Quits: civillian (~nick@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)
4325 [23:32:47] *** Quits: Cl0udN9ne (~OtakuSenp@replaced-ip ) (Quit: Onto my worldly chores...)
4326 [23:32:56] *** Joins: Masterphi (~Masterphi@replaced-ip )
4327 [23:33:14] *** Joins: Cl0udN9ne (~OtakuSenp@replaced-ip )
4328 [23:33:58] *** Joins: civillian (~nick@replaced-ip )
4329 [23:34:06] *** Joins: p0001223 (~pissoffne@replaced-ip )
4330 [23:34:23] *** Quits: bblindy (~bblinder@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
4331 [23:34:58] *** Quits: dr_light (~jt_harkey@replaced-ip ) (Quit: Leaving)
4332 [23:35:14] *** Quits: alfred_ (~quassel@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)
4333 [23:35:32] *** Joins: j9m (~jm@replaced-ip )
4334 [23:35:45] *** Quits: chomwitt (~chomwitt@replaced-ip ) (Quit: WeeChat 1.0.1)
4335 [23:35:48] <greycat> I see some packages like libqt5webkit5-dbg but not others. Definitely not a 1:1 mapping from all of libqt5* to -dbg
4336 [23:35:59] *** Quits: AvatarA (~avatara@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
4337 [23:36:16] *** Quits: hagridaaron (~hagridaar@replaced-ip ) (Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…)
4338 [23:36:31] *** Quits: p0001223 (~pissoffne@replaced-ip ) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
4339 [23:36:31] *** Joins: alfred_ (~quassel@replaced-ip )
4340 [23:36:54] *** Joins: SonicFreq (~SonicFreq@replaced-ip )
4341 [23:38:05] *** Quits: tatalazo (~Thunderbi@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
4342 [23:38:13] <jelly> mgood7123_, which debian release is this?
4343 [23:38:42] <jelly> stretch has those -dbgsym packages autobuilt, but in a separate repo
4344 [23:38:48] *** Joins: bytesquid_ (~bytesquid@replaced-ip )
4345 [23:38:57] <jelly> because they're huge
4346 [23:39:22] <mgood7123_> parrot os
4347 [23:39:25] <greycat> O_o
4348 [23:39:29] <mgood7123_> lol
4349 [23:39:31] <greycat> well THAT would explain why I can't find anything
4350 [23:39:38] <jelly> mgood7123_, that doesn't sound like debian
4351 [23:39:45] <mgood7123_> it uses apt
4352 [23:39:50] <greycat> !based on debianb
4353 [23:39:50] <missmbob> !parrot
4354 [23:39:51] <greycat> !based on debian
4355 [23:39:57] <jelly> mgood7123_, can you reproduce the issue with an actual debian installation?
4356 [23:39:59] <greycat> !based on debian
4357 [23:39:59] <dpkg> Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare replaced-url
4358 [23:40:16] <missmbob> !parrot
4359 [23:40:17] <dpkg> Parrot OS (replaced-url
4360 [23:40:43] <greycat> We have no idea how Parrot OS builds and deploys its debug packages.
4361 [23:40:49] <jelly> yeah, that'd be the right place to ask.
4362 [23:40:53] <greycat> Hell, I didn't even know how *debian* does apparently.
4363 [23:41:04] <jelly> if you were running _actual_ debian testing, you'd be pointed at...
4364 [23:41:06] <jelly> replaced-url
4365 [23:41:30] <jelly> apparently, a blog article explaining this dbgsym stuff
4366 [23:41:36] <mgood7123_> ok
4367 [23:41:48] *** Quits: towo` (~towo@replaced-ip ) (Quit: Leaving)
4368 [23:42:10] *** Joins: wafflejock (~wafflej0c@replaced-ip )
4369 [23:42:18] <teraflops> mgood7123_: gross, I behaved badly and you are not even running debian
4370 [23:42:22] <jelly> but you're running something similar. We don't know if this advice applies, or if it's going to break your system. You need to ask the people who built it.
4371 [23:42:44] <mgood7123_> it sais #parrotsec :Cannot send to channel
4372 [23:42:53] *** Quits: sh00p (~z@replaced-ip ) ()
4373 [23:43:11] *** Quits: patterson (~patterson@replaced-ip##) (Quit: Going offline, see ya! (##replaced-url
4374 [23:43:12] <teraflops> greycat: btw I apologize for what I said
4375 [23:43:41] <jelly> mgood7123_, that doesn't sound like "Seek help in #parrot on irc.frozenbox.org "
4376 [23:43:41] <greycat> Maybe they have a policy of waiting to voice you or something. Dunno.
4377 [23:43:49] *** Joins: OtakuSenpai (~OtakuSenp@replaced-ip )
4378 [23:43:53] <greycat> ... or maybe you didn't join the right channel OR the right network.
4379 [23:44:18] *** Joins: bytesquid__ (~bytesquid@replaced-ip )
4380 [23:44:53] *** Quits: Dollar (~dollar@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
4381 [23:45:09] *** Joins: rodrigopaiva (~rodrigopa@replaced-ip )
4382 [23:45:20] *** Quits: OtakuSenpai (~OtakuSenp@replaced-ip ) (Max SendQ exceeded)
4383 [23:45:35] *** Quits: Cl0udN9ne (~OtakuSenp@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)
4384 [23:45:47] *** Joins: lysobit (~musalbas@replaced-ip )
4385 [23:46:41] <greycat> This blog post forgot one important step: ulimit -c unlimited, to enable core dump files
4386 [23:46:56] <greycat> (or the analogous command in non-bash shells)
4387 [23:46:57] *** Joins: OtakuSenpai (~OtakuSenp@replaced-ip )
4388 [23:47:02] <mgood7123_> i got redirected to IRCForce
4389 [23:47:08] *** Quits: macartur (~macartur@replaced-ip ) (Quit: Leaving)
4390 [23:47:23] *** Quits: bytesquid_ (~bytesquid@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)
4391 [23:47:49] *** Quits: OtakuSenpai (~OtakuSenp@replaced-ip ) (Max SendQ exceeded)
4392 [23:47:59] *** Joins: _polto_ (~polto@replaced-ip )
4393 [23:48:45] *** Joins: duffy0 (~duffy0@replaced-ip )
4394 [23:49:10] *** Quits: gryffus (~gryffus@replaced-ip ) (Quit: Konversation terminated!)
4395 [23:49:22] *** Quits: maotm (~mao@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)
4396 [23:49:29] *** Joins: OtakuSenpai (~OtakuSenp@replaced-ip )
4397 [23:49:47] *** Parts: shadow (lucent@replaced-ip )
4398 [23:50:08] *** Quits: L3gacy (~L3gacy@replaced-ip ) (Quit: Leaving)
4399 [23:50:09] *** Joins: Eduard_Munteanu (~Eduard_Mu@replaced-ip )
4400 [23:50:17] *** Quits: OtakuSenpai (~OtakuSenp@replaced-ip ) (Max SendQ exceeded)
4401 [23:50:40] *** Quits: duffy0 (~duffy0@replaced-ip ) (Client Quit)
4402 [23:50:56] *** Quits: mhall119 (~mhall@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
4403 [23:51:31] *** Quits: dionysus69 (~Thunderbi@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)
4404 [23:51:38] <greycat> well, I attempted to leave a comment on the blog page. don't know whether it will actually work, since I ended up on a blank white page after hitting submit.
4405 [23:51:49] *** Quits: greycat (~wooledg@replaced-ip ) (Quit: exit 0)
4406 [23:51:55] <debish> I worked it out, in case anyone is interested: you need to disable both "legacy mode", "legacy usb support" and "secure boot" and enable "UEFI boot". That's all, the installer will boot seamlessly
4407 [23:52:00] *** debhelper sets mode: +l 1676
4408 [23:52:03] *** Quits: borsin (~borsin@replaced-ip ) (Quit: )
4409 [23:52:24] *** Joins: tvm (~tvm@replaced-ip )
4410 [23:53:02] *** Quits: dontknow (~dontknow@replaced-ip ) (Quit: Leaving)
4411 [23:53:24] *** Joins: borsin (~borsin@replaced-ip )
4412 [23:54:33] *** Quits: Nekojimi (~jimj316@replaced-ip ) (Remote host closed the connection)
4413 [23:54:43] *** Quits: borsin (~borsin@replaced-ip ) (Client Quit)
4414 [23:55:03] *** Joins: OtakuSenpai (~OtakuSenp@replaced-ip )
4415 [23:55:19] *** Joins: borsin (~borsin@replaced-ip )
4416 [23:56:25] *** Joins: sondr3 (~sondr3@replaced-ip )
4417 [23:57:05] *** Joins: Ekchuan (~RandyMars@replaced-ip )
4418 [23:57:09] *** Quits: HarveyPwca (~HarveyPwc@replaced-ip ) (Quit: The Pwca has left the building)
4419 [23:57:25] *** Quits: czesmir (~stefan@replaced-ip ) (Quit: Lost terminal)
4420 [23:57:42] *** Quits: borsin (~borsin@replaced-ip ) (Client Quit)
4421 [23:58:07] *** Joins: borsin (~borsin@replaced-ip )
4422 [23:58:44] *** Joins: kcatt (~kcat@replaced-ip )
4423 [23:59:31] <lysobit> hi kcatt
4424 [23:59:54] *** Joins: patterson (~patterson@replaced-ip )
↑ top
context: nick names on moving displays as market values
#debian Freenode IRC channel closed on 2021-06-01
contact: a @ her0. be