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10 [00:03:24] <aZz7eCh> lol no worries all good. i only get so many random moments to give this any attention anyway. just trying to get it done before i take it away with me.. would rather migrate over my essential work stuff from my desktop debian, than try and work with windows 10 ..... what a .... /shudder
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22 [00:08:39] <jasonsmr> hello debian channel
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24 [00:09:11] <oo_miguel> in case anyone cares: updating the bios solved my problem (lm-sensors
25 [00:09:20] <jasonsmr> anyone still using and building/dev debianwrt?
26 [00:09:40] <oo_miguel> lm-sensors reporting the same temperatures over and over again)
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108 [00:56:16] <jerware> moin.
109 [00:56:21] <nine_milli> any scientologists here?
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111 [00:56:28] <jerware> Would someone be so kind to donate me their sources.list ?
112 [00:56:34] <jerware> I'm looking for snort package.
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118 [01:00:15] <teraflops> nine_milli: no, they are in #ubuntu
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121 [01:04:42] <Classsic> hi, somebody know if debian runs on intel sofia cpu?
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130 [01:10:05] <jerware> Why is snort not in the repos but suricata is ?
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139 [01:14:43] <glick> hi is there an easy way to install icecat on debian stretch?
140 [01:15:14] <missmbob> just download it
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143 [01:16:43] <glick> also, whats the plugin that blocks facebook like buttons?
144 [01:16:49] <glick> that stallman talks about
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163 [01:23:23] <UukGoblin> hi, is there a tool or something that would make building Debian from source easy / automatic?
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168 [01:25:18] <UukGoblin> oh, and I'd like to be able to rebuild it on an offline machine
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182 [01:29:28] <glick> why cant i find spyblock for firefox?
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214 [01:56:52] <insecurity> hello. ever since the move to firefox-esr, web links in other programs such as gnome-terminal don't open at all. i've tried update-alternatives to set gnome-replaced-url
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227 [02:06:01] <vfw> insecurity: default browser set to ____________?
228 [02:07:27] <insecurity> oh
229 [02:07:31] <insecurity> there's a ui setting
230 [02:07:33] <insecurity> that did it
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234 [02:07:35] <insecurity> thanks vfw
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237 [02:08:48] <vfw> NP
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282 [02:38:05] <hanasaki> what's the difference between aptitude upgrade and apt-get upgrade?
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286 [02:39:17] <TinkerTiger> I wouldn't think that there should be little functional difference.
287 [02:39:23] <glick> questio
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289 [02:39:39] <glick> how does debian handle debian upgrades with backported packages?
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292 [02:40:29] <LordBrain> hanasaki, at one time they were saying aptitude had better dependency resolution... when you have a problem sometmes aptitude is better at figuring out all the alternative fixes and suggesting them to you.
293 [02:41:06] <LordBrain> hanasaki, but i mostly use apt-get... at one point someone was saying you shouldnt mix the two... i dont know if that is true tho, i think its fine.
294 [02:41:13] <hanasaki> well... aptitude is showing calculations of conflicts and dieing after awhile of finding 10K plus issues. apt-get seems to work and find the resolutions fast.
295 [02:41:30] <hanasaki> is one supposed to be the main one and the other expire at some point?
296 [02:41:39] <LordBrain> i doubt it
297 [02:41:59] <LordBrain> it depends if the developers give up on one
298 [02:42:02] <LordBrain> i guess
299 [02:42:13] <TinkerTiger> I haven't used aptitude in years.
300 [02:43:34] <hanasaki> dpkg bot says "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get dist-upgrade" which works... using aptitude bombs :(
301 [02:43:34] <dpkg> You are person #2 to send an unparseable request, hanasaki
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306 [02:45:35] <Plouescat> should I try BSD?
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308 [02:48:29] <prussian> no
309 [02:48:32] <prussian> i mean sure
310 [02:48:35] <glick> if im on stretch can i install a package from stable?
311 [02:48:37] <prussian> why would you want to though
312 [02:48:42] <glick> or sid
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314 [02:49:02] <prussian> glick: uh. you cna try if you have the repos in your sources
315 [02:49:04] <missmbob> !tell glick about dont break debian
316 [02:49:06] <glick> im on stretch and want to install torbrowser
317 [02:49:12] <prussian> i mean
318 [02:49:16] <LordBrain> glick, sure, read man apt_preferences
319 [02:49:20] <prussian> i don't know why you'd want to
320 [02:49:21] <glick> but its not available on stretch
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323 [02:49:51] <prussian> is stretch new stable now?
324 [02:49:55] <prussian> o nvm
325 [02:50:00] <prussian> /topic helped
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329 [02:51:55] <LordBrain> glick, long story short, you need to set up pinning, and then add stable deb lines to your sources.list
330 [02:52:36] <glick> having gone to stretch can i go back to jessie?
331 [02:52:45] <LordBrain> yeah
332 [02:52:50] <missmbob> !downgrade
333 [02:52:50] <dpkg> Downgrading is not, nor will ever be supported by apt. Programs change their data in a way that can't be rolled back, and package maintainer scripts support upgrades to new config file formats but not downgrades. Try: "dpkg -i olderversion.deb" or "aptitude install package=version" using "apt-cache policy package" to get the old version number. See also <partial downgrade>, <unstable->testing>, <sdo>.
334 [02:53:30] <glick> so im stuck at strech
335 [02:53:48] <LordBrain> it'll be stable next month anyway
336 [02:54:23] <LordBrain> glick, if you're using tor for security, maybe it makes sense for you to use a vm anyway
337 [02:54:44] <glick> ok i guess ill have to use it from the manual download for now i guess
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342 [02:58:11] <LordBrain> yes
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346 [02:58:53] <LordBrain> preferences -> main menu is where it is for me, if you dont have that, then something is not installed that should be
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838 [08:32:04] <Primal_> i m stack in New zelland, Wellington, look for a bed for tonight with my friend, any contact here ?
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1027 [10:16:37] <rjsalts> nurupo: replaced-url
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1029 [10:16:58] <theoceaniscool> Hi, Is this a correct channel to make a question about deb packaging?. If not, feel free to ignore me. I have a small project of mine (basically a bunch of Shell/Python scripts) that I would like to distribute to some friends. Although I have no problems doing the packaging, I'm not sure where to track the debian/ directory. Do I put it in the main git repository, or do I create a secondary repository and add the first ass submodule?
1030 [10:17:20] <theoceaniscool> as a*
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1032 [10:17:51] <rjsalts> theoceaniscool: either way is fine
1033 [10:18:04] <theoceaniscool> rjsalts, thanks
1034 [10:18:26] <theoceaniscool> rjsalts, Is there any standard o recommended way?
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1039 [10:19:43] <rjsalts> theoceaniscool: I've seen a fair number of upstreams who had a debian directory and a .spec file in their release files and/or version control
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1041 [10:20:20] <babilen> theoceaniscool: First and foremost: The best channel for questions like these is #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net. The problem you are facing is that you are currentlyu wearing two hats: The first is that of upstream maintainer who would put the debian/ dir in the main repo, while the other is that of a Debian maintainer who would use a separate one
1042 [10:20:40] <rjsalts> theoceaniscool: plus the native debian packages
1043 [10:20:49] <babilen> As you are mostly upstream (or do you plan to package this for Debian?), I'd recommend to put it in your main repository
1044 [10:21:26] <babilen> replaced-url
1045 [10:21:42] <theoceaniscool> babilen, Sorry for asking in the wrong channel. I plan to package it for Debian, but I don't plan to distribute it in a public repository
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1047 [10:22:14] <babilen> theoceaniscool: In that case you can do whatever you please and keeping debian/ in your main repo feels right
1048 [10:22:55] <rjsalts> theoceaniscool: I don't think you're out of line asking here, just you'll probably find more people able to answer your question elsewhere
1049 [10:23:21] <babilen> Yeah, this channel isn't wrong .. there just are more specialised channels
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1054 [10:25:18] <k3rn3lwalk3r> echo p > /proc/sysrq-trigger dont show any details
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1056 [10:25:35] <k3rn3lwalk3r> it just says SysRq: Show Regs
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1061 [10:26:23] <k3rn3lwalk3r> echo "" > /proc/sysrq-trigge for help says it should print registers info
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1068 [10:28:57] <nurupo> rjsalts: thanks
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1071 [10:29:57] <polysics> hello! yet another noob question from me :)
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1073 [10:30:20] <polysics> I have an application that logs to the same five files, all day long
1074 [10:30:39] <polysics> I would like to rotate the files to only have content generated during a certain day
1075 [10:31:05] <polysics> but the machine could be turned off at midnight, and maybe started up at 10am
1076 [10:31:31] <polysics> so, at 10am, the first thing that happens should be the file rotation
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1078 [10:31:55] <polysics> I think I am getting mixed up with cron vs anacron vs others
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1080 [10:33:11] <bezaban> polysics: you can loog at logrotate
1081 [10:33:14] <bezaban> look* :P
1082 [10:33:40] <polysics> I am using logrotate but I think my cron setup is wrong, not the logrotate one
1083 [10:33:44] <bezaban> polysics: it is already run daily by cron
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1086 [10:34:35] <polysics> but it is not run if cron has it at 00:00 and the machine is off at that time, of course
1087 [10:35:58] <bezaban> polysics: it is not no, you could trigger run lograte on boot
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1091 [10:39:53] <dionysus69> how do I download debian iso which already includes gnome?
1092 [10:40:08] <dionysus69> I will be installing it with very slow internet
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1099 [10:41:31] <dionysus69> for example replaced-url
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1101 [10:42:34] <SwedeMike> dionysus69: replaced-url
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1120 [10:47:37] <dionysus69> wow ye but i never understood what those three do separately, so when I will make usb bootable out of first dvd for example, will it then later ask me for inserting second dvd during installation process?
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1123 [10:49:01] <polysics> bezaban: would not triggering logrotate on boot have it run every boot, even if it is not the first boot of the day?
1124 [10:49:16] <polysics> I am thinking of maybe keeping track of this state somewhere?
1125 [10:49:17] <at0m> dionysus69: does your target computer have internet access? cos you'll be able to continue using debian repositories then, without needing extra .iso's
1126 [10:49:46] <bezaban> polysics: yeah, good point. I see your problem. I am not sure if something exists that will filter by timestamps in files. Generally a server is powered on 24/7 and rotation done at midnight will sort into daily files
1127 [10:50:15] <dionysus69> ye it does have internet
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1129 [10:50:43] <at0m> dionysus69: then just get one .iso (the first CD, or even netinstall) and go from there
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1131 [10:51:20] <dionysus69> at0m: I will have limited time and slow internet connection, that's why I wanted pre downloaded DE
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1163 [11:09:19] <Iridos> dionysus69, you probably get pretty far with DVD 1
1164 [11:10:05] <Iridos> and no idea how this is done with the hybrid iso/disk images now
1165 [11:11:00] <Iridos> used to be that you have a separate small image you put onto an usb stick and then copied the CDs or DVDs onto the stick and it could access them all if the name(s) of the isos matched exactly what the installer expected
1166 [11:11:11] <Iridos> check in the installation guide, it should have a section
1167 [11:11:15] <Iridos> dpkg, ig
1168 [11:11:15] <dpkg> The Installation Guide for Debian 8 "Jessie" can be found at replaced-url
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1173 [11:14:03] <Iridos> guess that should still be possible: replaced-url
1174 [11:14:08] <Iridos> but… only mentions one image
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1182 [11:22:11] <dionysus69> Iridos: that's how I am making bootable usbs for a while now :D i actually forgot other methods
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1187 [11:22:46] <dionysus69> uefi bootable usb supports just copy of iso contents to fat32 formatted usb stick
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1189 [11:23:44] <Iridos> the other method is to just copy the iso image onto the raw device
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1193 [11:26:23] <Bobbix> Hi to all, please help me! I'm trying to configure openvpn on debian! I want to know how to start bridge-utils BEFORE openvpn PLEASE.
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1359 [11:27:31] <sleepyhead> Iridos: using dd?
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1365 [11:28:21] <Bobbix> Hi to all, please help me! I'm trying to configure openvpn on debian! I want to know how to start bridge-utils BEFORE openvpn PLEASE.
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1394 [11:32:16] <Bobbix> Hi to all, please help me! I'm trying to configure openvpn on debian! I want to know how to start bridge-utils BEFORE openvpn PLEASE.
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1408 [11:34:23] <fr0tzed> run bridge-start on startup Bobbix
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1429 [11:41:46] <Bobbix> fr0tzed thi is my question not the answer
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1432 [11:42:11] <Bobbix> How can i run at startup (automatically without doing login)
1433 [11:43:03] <Bobbix> fr0tzed the openvpn starts before anything and i cant start the bridge
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1435 [11:43:33] <Bobbix> i'm looking for a method to starting up the bridge BEFORE openvpn
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1685 [12:20:23] <BluesKaj> 'Morning all
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1690 [12:24:13] <blabs> hi anybody using alacritty terminal emulator? :)
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1693 [12:26:09] <at0m|c> dpkg: tell blabs about anyone
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1812 [13:45:32] <Al3xG0> command split is possible output files splited numerical name?
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1819 [13:48:37] <at0m|c> Al3xG0: yes, that's the default as per 'man split'...
1820 [13:48:37] <themill> Al3xG0: what are asking?
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1822 [13:49:51] <Mercosity_> I'm hoping that maybe some one who has a great grasp of Debian can help me .. Trying to get my old server which is running Debian 8.8 to run both cores and the Rage XL embedded graphics .. I'm lost at the moment as I've tried everything my tiny mind can think of .. I anyone can help plse pm Mercosity_ ..
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1834 [13:57:00] <petn-randall> !tell Mercosity_ -about ask
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1849 [14:02:31] <Mercosity_> sry petn-randall have I broken the rules with my question?
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1854 [14:05:55] <petn-randall> Mercosity_: No, the question itself is fine. But you haven't provided any useful information to work on. Check the PM from dpkg.
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1859 [14:08:11] <Mercosity_> petn-randall, ok gotya. I didn't want to add too much more as I assumed it would be too forward.
1860 [14:08:37] <johnkeates> what server
1861 [14:08:47] <johnkeates> what cores? what does the rage xl have to do with it
1862 [14:08:51] <petn-randall> Mercosity_: Being forward is fine :). That way you don't have to wait for someone to ask "Can you provide details?", just for them to be afk again when you respond.
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1870 [14:13:56] <Mercosity_> Trying to get my old server, an HP ML370 G3 which is running Debian 8.8 to run both cores and the Rage XL embedded graphics. I have installed the non-free 686-pae kernel but the server still only runs one core. The Rage XL graphics non-free driver has been installed but hardware acceleration is not working according to the GUI as it advised me at login.
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1872 [14:15:05] <Mercosity_> I am a newb when it comes to linux so I'm out of my depth at the moment.
1873 [14:15:28] <petn-randall> Mercosity_: What CPU is that then?
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1876 [14:16:31] <petn-randall> Mercosity_: You can paste the output of 'cat /proc/cpuinfo' (run as root) to replaced-url
1877 [14:16:46] <Mercosity_> petn-randall, sry should've said. Two Xeon 2.8Ghz 500 Mhz fsb I think.
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1881 [14:17:37] <teraflops> why i686?
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1883 [14:17:39] <petn-randall> Mercosity_: There are many Xeon models, so the info in /proc/cpuinfo might be useful to identify the feature set.
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1892 [14:18:33] <teraflops> Mercosity_: unless those cpu are x86 …
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1897 [14:19:40] <Mercosity_> teraflops, the are x86 or i686.
1898 [14:19:50] <teraflops> ok
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1915 [14:24:43] <petn-randall> Mercosity_: Do you need help to pastebin /proc/cpuinfo?
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1924 [14:27:12] <Mercosity_> petn-randall, sry yup I do. Also the server is so slow right now that I'm struggling.
1925 [14:27:31] <johnkeates> is it enabled in the bios?
1926 [14:27:40] <johnkeates> can it boot 64-bit?
1927 [14:27:42] <petn-randall> !pastebinit
1928 [14:27:42] <dpkg> A command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "aptitude install pastebinit; pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list"; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg | pastebinit". See also <pastebinit config>, <nopaste>.
1929 [14:27:45] <petn-randall> Mercosity_: ^^^
1930 [14:28:07] <johnkeates> i dont think apt is gonna work fine on a machine thats slow to use as-is :p
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1932 [14:28:27] <Mercosity_> petn-randall, let me try.
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1935 [14:29:44] <petn-randall> johnkeates: "slow" is a very subjective thing :)
1936 [14:30:11] <johnkeates> i said that to the cops once, they didn't agree ;-)
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1940 [14:31:52] <Mercosity_> petn-randall, ok got pastebi installed.
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1950 [14:34:48] <petn-randall> Mercosity_: "cat /proc/cpuinfo | pastebinit" as root should do the trick.
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1956 [14:36:36] <Mercosity_> Ok, petn-randall here it is : replaced-url
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1959 [14:37:10] <petn-randall> Mercosity_: So looks like there's only one CPU in existance.
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1961 [14:37:39] <petn-randall> Mercosity_: Did you check the BIOS yet? You might need to enable "multiple CPUs".
1962 [14:38:15] <Mercosity_> Yup, but there are 2 and both run. Was running win server 2003 both cores no problem..
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1965 [14:38:53] <dionysus69> I made a clonezilla backup of a full root partition, how do I restore and make it boot in uefi mode ?
1966 [14:39:09] <dionysus69> do I just copy some random existing efi partition of a different system or
1967 [14:39:19] <dionysus69> any kind of hint appreciated
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1972 [14:40:11] <petn-randall> dionysus69: You have to backup/restore the ESP, too.
1973 [14:40:12] <at0m|c> dionysus69: i'd start with clonezilla documentation
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1976 [14:41:15] <dionysus69> petn-randall: what's esp?
1977 [14:41:20] <dionysus69> efi partition?
1978 [14:41:24] <petn-randall> dionysus69: EFI system partition
1979 [14:41:36] <dionysus69> ye but for this particular installation it doesnt exist
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1981 [14:42:06] <dionysus69> I couldn't launch debian live iso in uefi mode, I had experienced this on many debian isos, some of them just dont support efi mode yet I guess
1982 [14:42:22] <dionysus69> net install iso does but now I wanted gnome preinstalled
1983 [14:42:37] <Mercosity_> petn-randall, from my research I ascertained that I had to use the 686-pae kernel from non-free to get the cpus working but it doesn't seem to do wot 'it says on the tin'.
1984 [14:42:40] <at0m|c> dionysus69: as per its docs, debian live doesn't support EFI
1985 [14:42:54] <dionysus69> why?
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1987 [14:43:28] <dionysus69> mbr involves some voodoo tinkering while efi is more staighforward to just copy and paste
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1990 [14:45:04] <nku> any ideas how the postgres config files are stored? i tried the usual confmiss but can't seem to restore them. using 9.6 from backports
1991 [14:45:16] <petn-randall> dionysus69: Debian live just doesn't support it.
1992 [14:45:25] <johnkeates> nku: in /etc/postgres
1993 [14:45:43] <nku> johnkeates: that's where they are installed to, not the source
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1995 [14:45:50] <dionysus69> petn-randall: ok I guess, that's still a useful info, maybe I ll just install netinstall and then clone it so it creates efi partition
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2000 [14:50:36] <petn-randall> nku: The config is created from pg_createcluster, check that tool out.
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2002 [14:51:35] <nku> petn-randall: thanks
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2004 [14:51:42] <Mercosity_> petn-randall, this is where I got my info: replaced-url
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2008 [14:52:39] <petn-randall> Mercosity_: Where did you read that it was non-free, though?
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2010 [14:53:17] <missmbob> (because it's not)
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2012 [14:53:24] <Mercosity_> petn-randall, honestly I've read so many things I can remember.
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2034 [15:03:25] <johnkeates> i can make it non-free for you
2035 [15:03:27] <johnkeates> just send me some money
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2039 [15:05:04] <petn-randall> johnkeates: That still doesn't invalidate the FOSS license ;)
2040 [15:05:20] <johnkeates> i know, it's great isn't it :D
2041 [15:05:30] <johnkeates> getting money yet keeping all the good stuff too
2042 [15:05:33] <petn-randall> GNU GPL allows you to take money, as long as the license stays intact.
2043 [15:06:47] <jelly> gpl doesn't care how mnuch $$$ you charge for software
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2052 [15:11:22] <Mercosity_> I've checked via search in the synaptic package manager and installed everything to do with 686-pae. I'm going to reboot and see what happens. Don't hold out much hope though.
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2055 [15:12:09] <Mercosity_> Anyone have any advice before I reboot?
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2057 [15:13:29] <Mercosity_> Nah..
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2115 [15:33:14] <jelly> !qotd0
2116 [15:33:14] <dpkg> <robin_sz> where can I get debian for windows XP?
2117 [15:33:27] <Butt3rfly> lol
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2119 [15:34:13] <dontknow> there is only windows 7 version
2120 [15:34:28] <dontknow> click debian.exe
2121 [15:34:48] <Hyp3ri0n> oops was a virus
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2123 [15:34:54] <Iridos> replaced-url
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2144 [15:49:16] <bdax_> Hi everyone. Anyone know a command-line tool that can be used to display an 'on-screen display', like a box with custom text in it, that shows up over everything then fades out. Like when you change volume or turn on capslock on some computers
2145 [15:49:46] <colo-work> look at zenity or xmessage
2146 [15:50:19] <colo-work> also, notify-send
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2148 [15:50:45] <bdax_> brilliant, thank you colo-work
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2150 [15:51:15] <colo-work> yw
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2157 [15:59:45] <ksn00b> I can't anymore clone from github using git: "gnutls_handshake() failed: Public key signature verification has failed."
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2183 [16:11:18] <jhutchins_wk> ksn00b: That would be a problem specific to the repository you're using.
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2185 [16:11:49] <Mathisen> nope
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2187 [16:11:58] <Mathisen> ksn00b, you using proxy ?
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2195 [16:14:18] <Mathisen> replaced-url
2196 [16:14:19] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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2199 [16:14:56] <Mathisen> get diffrent version of libcurl3-gnutls
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2217 [16:20:50] <dob1> hi, after the upgrade to jessie, cipher like blowfish or arcfour doesn't work anymore connecting to ssh server, why?
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2220 [16:21:34] <greycat> See the list of supported ciphers in ssh_config(5)
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2226 [16:23:15] <greycat> Also note, that's the client's list. There's a similar list in sshd_config(5) for the server, configurable with "Ciphers" in /etc/ssh/sshd_config
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2230 [16:24:45] <ksn00b> Mathisen: not using proxy.
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2236 [16:26:24] <dob1> greycat, just the server is changed, not the client, but on "man 5 sshd_config" on server i see arcfour is present on ciphters list
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2241 [16:26:56] <dob1> but it's not default
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2244 [16:27:25] <greycat> Both the server and the client have to be willing to accept it. Check the server's list of Ciphers in /etc/ssh/sshd_config vs. the client's list from "ssh -Q cipher"
2245 [16:27:50] <ToHellWithGA> is there a way to see if a bug with a patch will be fixed? replaced-url
2246 [16:27:51] <judd> Bug replaced-url
2247 [16:28:01] <ToHellWithGA> seems like it's been stagnant for a long time
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2252 [16:29:08] <ksn00b> Mathisen: does "git clone replaced-url
2253 [16:30:45] <Mathisen> ksn00b, im on arch right now
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2256 [16:31:43] <cronicx> Hey Debians, on the interpreting of load average.. do i have to calculate with threads to get possible thresholds?
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2259 [16:32:25] <greycat> Load average is just a vague number that you can use to see if something bizarre is happening.
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2265 [16:33:16] <cronicx> greycat: what about using this in monitoring system?
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2267 [16:33:29] <greycat> Like, if you happen to know (by experience) that your typical load average on your server is between 0 and 3, and you see a load average of 12, then you might take action.
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2270 [16:34:51] <cronicx> greycat: it has to be in relation with the number of cpus.. because there are more then like 100 server with different number of cpu (and threads).. to calculate a threshold i have to calculate with number of cpus, my question is, does the number of thread, has an effect to this?
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2272 [16:35:19] <Iridos> load is the sum of… what was it… all running processes (thread) plus all processes waiting/scheduled to run … which includes stuff hung in "D" state
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2274 [16:35:45] <greycat> It's supposed to be proceses in "R", but it may also include some in "D".
2275 [16:35:51] <cronicx> ah ok
2276 [16:36:06] <cronicx> makes sense :P
2277 [16:36:19] <greycat> You can't give a theoretical range. It has to be learned by experience with YOUR load on YOUR machine.
2278 [16:36:27] <greycat> It's useless to robots.
2279 [16:37:19] <Iridos> and yes… if we have 16 cores in the machine and the machine runs something with 16 threads or 16 MPI processes, that machine is busy… but that's because we have pretty well defined multi-threaded jobs that mostly get all resources of a node
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2281 [16:37:44] <afidegnum> hi, what local utility can i use to test the mail feature on my PC? a sort of localhost mail.
2282 [16:37:58] <greycat> mail(1), mailx(1), mutt(1)
2283 [16:38:15] <greycat> e.g. echo testing | mailx -s test "$LOGNAME"
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2285 [16:38:34] <Iridos> if you have many short-lived processes with maybe some io-wait on some/many of them, much higher loads than your number of cores may or may not be normal
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2287 [16:39:00] <Iridos> dpkg, load
2288 [16:39:00] <dpkg> The load shown by uptime is the sum of the number processes running and queued to run. See replaced-url
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2295 [16:41:59] <greycat> My little teeny tiny VPS that runs a MoinMoin wiki with 3 active python-uwsgi processes on what is presented as a single "core" may have a load average of up to 3 if all 3 are busy searching.
2296 [16:42:10] <Iridos> also, everything becomes even more fun with hyperthreading, where even the number of "cores in use" as e.g. shown in top or htop can become meaningless
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2300 [16:42:35] <Iridos> also, turbo mode
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2302 [16:43:04] <Iridos> it has become impossible to tell what percentage of the CPU(s) is actually busy
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2313 [16:46:29] <greycat> In terms of monitoring, all you can do is set a threshold value above which you get notified. Then, if you find yourself getting notified too often (when investigation reveals nothing is actually wrong), you can raise the threshold value.
2314 [16:46:30] <cronicx> Iridos: How does the "modern" monitoring system works with that? How does the monitoring system should recognize a a critical state if that cant be used to get a valid value?
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2316 [16:47:17] <petn-randall> cronicx: load means "the amount of processes in queue waiting to run". It is not necessarily CPU bound.
2317 [16:47:20] <greycat> Or, you can ignore the value entirely.
2318 [16:47:27] <jhutchins_wk> cronicx: Short answer: it can't.
2319 [16:47:27] <petn-randall> woops, stuck in backlog
2320 [16:48:18] <jhutchins_wk> cronicx: As greycat suggests, if you know what the normal level is, you can set a meaningful threshold.
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2323 [16:48:52] <Iridos> cronicx, all monitoring sucks :)
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2328 [16:50:25] <cronicx> yea, monitoring sucks -.-
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2331 [16:51:43] <Iridos> cronicx, anyway, your cpu usage is maybe not the only interesting thing… what about stuck I/O or swapping or fulll ram with oom_kill or, or, or
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2334 [16:52:29] <greycat> What about "how many milliseconds it takes to load this web page"
2335 [16:52:40] <greycat> You know, a thing you actually care about.
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2337 [16:52:59] <Iridos> for monitoring load, a graph showing the time series is the most useful… and if you watch that while checking if behavior is within your accepted range, you get some "normal" range
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2339 [16:53:49] <Iridos> "oh, takes 0.1 milliseconds because I repeat that test all the time and that single page keeps being in the cache" ?
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2342 [16:54:19] <greycat> heh
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2344 [16:54:50] <greycat> So, if that particular test takes 2500 ms, then something is pretty wrong :)
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2346 [16:55:09] <Iridos> no, that test runs fine, but any other page takes 20 seconds do load
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2368 [17:02:38] <Iridos> s/do/to/
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2376 [17:06:31] <z1pp3r> replaced-url
2377 [17:06:41] <greycat> Go use it, then.
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2392 [17:11:27] <Iridos> everything a 5-year-old could want from a linux distribution? yay.
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2394 [17:11:58] <BluesKaj> z1pp3r, it's a kid's OS...have fun :-)
2395 [17:12:11] <cronicx> sorry, im back in 5-10 mins
2396 [17:12:23] <BluesKaj> I'm not sorry
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2403 [17:14:39] <larks> pretty sure my debian install had a kernel panick, should I upload the panic data?
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2405 [17:15:08] <larks> actually, nm, I'm an idiot
2406 [17:15:13] <BluesKaj> oops sorry cronicx din't mean to be rude ....wife just reminded me of my manners, sometimes they're non-existent
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2412 [17:16:47] <larks> looks like there isn't any bug reports on it. hrm
2413 [17:16:50] <missmbob> BluesKaj: good. you certainly remind people all the time when it's not your place
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2417 [17:18:17] <kalipso> hey guys, is there any file i can configure to enable ssh at boot?
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2419 [17:18:31] <kalipso> server is headless i have to mount hdd and config it then boot
2420 [17:18:31] <BluesKaj> missmbob, it was a joke, but it came across the wrong way ..
2421 [17:18:45] <babilen> doudou means "pimple" in Chinese (痘痘)
2422 [17:19:07] <missmbob> kalipso: apt install openssh-server
2423 [17:19:11] <Iridos> so… it's still good for puberty?
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2427 [17:19:38] <kalipso> missmbob: it is allready installed and i have no way to access the os other than mounting the harddrive and change the files by hand
2428 [17:19:40] <kalipso> so no apt
2429 [17:20:25] <greycat> kalipso: typically, if you mount the disk on a same-arch system, you can chroot into it and then do apt stuff
2430 [17:20:25] <missmbob> you have to do what i said first
2431 [17:20:50] <kalipso> im mounting a debian on an arch system, dunno would that work?
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2433 [17:20:57] <Butt3rfly> babilen haha
2434 [17:21:03] <missmbob> kalipso: that's fine
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2436 [17:21:14] <greycat> as long as they're both the same arch and reasonably close kernels it may work
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2438 [17:21:33] <kalipso> cool stuff, will try that thanks :)
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2455 [17:28:47] <cronicx> BluesKaj: haha, no problem :D
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2458 [17:29:02] <jhutchins_wk> kalipso: You'll probably want to mount the extra filesystems like /sys - see /msg dpkg fixgrub for the ones you need.
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2462 [17:29:47] <spacemn> kalipso chrooting it?
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2464 [17:30:43] <spacemn> yeah, I was a little late... ^__^;
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2469 [17:31:52] <cronicx> Iridos: We are using checks like ram/cache/swap rta/pl, disk I/O, value of proccesses (i think that could be deleted) and load check :) The total number of checks should give a good indication i think.. monitoring a non homogen system isnt fun
2470 [17:31:57] <balance> hi installed hi hope thats correct here, installed debian for a server on a vm. somehow apt-get install is sometimes very slow and installing composer (php -r copy(bla) ) or curl times out. the internet itself seems fine. Hope it's not offtopic. any hint why I keep getting time outs?
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2473 [17:32:46] <greycat> Some mirrors may be worse than others, or temporarily overloaded.
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2476 [17:33:30] <greycat> !deb.debian.org
2477 [17:33:30] <dpkg> deb.debian.org is a mirror network that is backed by international content delivery networks and for most users, this is the most reliable <mirror> to use in the <sources.list>. From Debian 9 "Stretch" onwards, apt queries SRV records in DNS which then send it off to a CDN. Older apt will get an HTTP redirect from deb.debian.org to the same CDNs. See replaced-url
2478 [17:34:13] <balance> greycat, yeah sure but that doesn't explain the timeouts for my php commands :/
2479 [17:34:43] <greycat> All I got was "installing composer something about php"
2480 [17:35:10] <petn-randall> balance: What error do you get with curl?
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2483 [17:36:35] <balance> petn-randall, timeout - failed to open stream: Connection timed out
2484 [17:36:35] <balance> same if I try to use cli php to download it. the source i up though.
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2486 [17:37:02] <petn-randall> balance: Is that the *complete* error?
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2490 [17:37:34] <petn-randall> IIRC curl is a little more descriptive on its errors.
2491 [17:37:36] <balance> petn-randall, The "replaced-url
2492 [17:37:36] <balance> Retrying...
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2494 [17:38:22] <petn-randall> balance: You could check with tcpdump if the connection is actually made. But I'd guess that the network isn't correctly set up.
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2498 [17:39:20] <balance> petn-randall, that sounds interesting :p will do that. The inter connection works though but maybe it's still not 100% properly made
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2504 [17:41:04] <balance> thanks
2505 [17:41:29] <jhutchins_wk> balance: I get a 404 on that file.
2506 [17:41:34] <AlexLikeRock> any battery alert to my LAPTOP ?
2507 [17:41:38] <AlexLikeRock> any program ?
2508 [17:41:48] <petn-randall> balance: Can you run 'ping 8.8.8.8'? Does it give you positive replies?
2509 [17:41:49] <jhutchins_wk> AlexLikeRock: Yes.
2510 [17:41:58] <AlexLikeRock> suggest ?
2511 [17:42:08] <AlexLikeRock> jhutchins_wk, :)
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2513 [17:42:47] <petn-randall> AlexLikeRock: How far did you get on your own internet research?
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2515 [17:42:56] <balance> petn-randall, yeah ping works also apt-get install works, it's just freaking slow usually. ping's fast though.
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2517 [17:43:11] <AlexLikeRock> petn-randall, ha-ha you funny :D
2518 [17:43:18] <balance> jhutchins_wk, the files there checked that
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2521 [17:44:22] <jhutchins_wk> balance: Ah, somehow I got the " at the end of the link.
2522 [17:44:38] <jhutchins_wk> balance: File is there and loads reasonably quickly from here.
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2524 [17:44:40] <petn-randall> !tell AlexLikeRock -about hand holding
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2526 [17:45:23] <balance> jhutchins_wk, yeah Im now gonan read about tcpdump and check that
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2537 [17:52:33] <morphy> Hi
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2542 [17:54:01] <morphy> who all be having release parties ?
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2552 [17:57:36] <beyotch1> hello, i have a question. is it mormal for a process to show in top usng 30% CPU but 0% MEM?
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2556 [17:58:19] <Iridos> why not
2557 [17:58:22] <petn-randall> Hi beyotch1. Yes? No! Maybe? Ask your real question.
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2560 [17:58:30] <greycat> There is no reason a process can't do that.
2561 [17:58:38] <beyotch1> it was a real question, sorry. just worndering
2562 [17:58:47] <beyotch1> thanks
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2571 [18:01:56] <Iridos> not much memory is needed to keep the CPU busy with… something
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2596 [18:06:04] <greycat> It also takes a whole lot of memory use to exceed 0.0% on modern PCs. At least in ps(1). top(1) seems to round differently, and things show up as 0.1% there.
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2617 [18:13:44] <glick> hi
2618 [18:14:10] <mallxs> I has to swap my motherboard, and forgot to note my diskdrive connectors, I have a raid MD0 not connected yet, will it be a problem if I switch the two disk connections ? replaced-url
2619 [18:14:12] <glick> hey does MATE come with sticky notes?
2620 [18:14:19] <glick> or a sticky notes app?
2621 [18:15:28] <frostschutz> mallxs, mdadm doesn't care how the drives are connected, it's fine as long as they're there at all.
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2623 [18:16:01] <mallxs> frostschutz: thanks
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2640 [18:22:25] <Aebian> greycat: I found the solution for my problem with sudo :D replaced-url
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2643 [18:23:40] <glick> is there a sticky notes app for mate?
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2646 [18:26:24] <greycat> Aebian: ok, cool
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2650 [18:28:20] <theseb> What if you can suspend but you can't recover FROM a suspend? Any hope? How track down packages causing the issue?
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2659 [18:32:11] <mtn> theseb: can't recover in what way? which version of debian is this?
2660 [18:32:29] <theseb> mtn: i press power button and won't wake up
2661 [18:32:57] <mtn> theseb: screen stays black? no computer sounds? which version of debian?
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2663 [18:33:19] <theseb> few sounds and then silence...it is ubuntu 16.04
2664 [18:33:32] <mtn> !ubuntu
2665 [18:33:32] <dpkg> Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>.
2666 [18:33:39] <uxfi> !debian
2667 [18:33:39] <dpkg> i heard debian is replaced-url
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2669 [18:34:34] <teraflops> I'm not running debian is the very first thing you might say…
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2673 [18:37:30] <fallentr1e> "but it's debian unstable!"
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2695 [18:46:39] <kalipso> what file is used on debian to start things on boot? i want to run pulseaudio -D at boot
2696 [18:46:47] <kalipso> i know .xinitrc from arch
2697 [18:47:00] <kalipso> but there is no x on my debian
2698 [18:47:04] <greycat> kalipso: the *easiest* would be to put your command in /etc/rc.local if it is supposed to run as root at boot
2699 [18:47:23] <greycat> .xinitrc is deprecated, but it's in $HOME and it's for personal commands at the time you run "startx", not boot.
2700 [18:47:24] <kalipso> it must run as a specific user, not as root
2701 [18:47:31] <greycat> Ahhh.
2702 [18:47:38] <greycat> Then it gets MUCH more complicated.
2703 [18:47:46] <kalipso> sadly there is no x server, so .xinitrc wont work
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2706 [18:48:29] <greycat> You're doing console logins only? Oh, then it just got LESS complicated.
2707 [18:48:34] <greycat> Put it in ~/.profile
2708 [18:48:51] <kalipso> greycat: is there any specific syntax or just one command per line?
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2711 [18:48:58] <teraflops> kalipso: if you want to run pulseadio systemwide you need to do more things
2712 [18:49:03] <greycat> It is read by the user's login shell, so it must use shell syntax.
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2714 [18:49:20] <teraflops> they discourage it btw
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2716 [18:49:34] <kalipso> teraflops: it should not run systemwide
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2718 [18:49:45] <kalipso> i configured it for one specific user
2719 [18:49:50] <kalipso> greycat: thanks gonna try that
2720 [18:49:51] <teraflops> kalipso: replaced-url
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2727 [18:50:54] <teraflops> but I'd suggest a saner approach as described here: replaced-url
2728 [18:50:59] <Atm0spher1c> greycat, since xinitrc is deprecated, what should be used instead. I still do startx :)
2729 [18:51:20] <greycat> replaced-url
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2732 [18:51:24] <teraflops> ~/.xinitrx is deprecated?
2733 [18:51:44] <teraflops> rc^
2734 [18:51:44] <Atm0spher1c> greycat, i thought xsession is if you run a display manager (login manager)
2735 [18:52:05] <kalipso> u dont realy need a login manager for a xsession
2736 [18:52:13] <greycat> Debian changed startx to use .xsession if it exists, like 15 years ago.,
2737 [18:52:17] <teraflops> kalipso: make a proper systemd unit file
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2740 [18:52:38] <kalipso> teraflops: i could but i think the .profile way will work fine :)
2741 [18:52:40] <greycat> So you can have one file (.xsession) that works in both startx AND xdm.
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2744 [18:54:15] <teraflops> i still don't think xinitrc is deprecated
2745 [18:55:01] <greycat> replaced-url
2746 [18:55:21] <teraflops> kalipso: so you need to login for pulseadio being running? whatever floats your boat…
2747 [18:55:24] <greycat> The man pages do not match, sadly.
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2750 [18:56:33] <kalipso> teraflops: now i get what u want to tell me.. so pulseaudio wouldnt start without logging in the specific user.. mmh, so i should go for the systemd unit file
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2752 [18:57:06] <teraflops> kalipso: the two links I pasted above worth a reading
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2754 [18:57:29] <teraflops> the gist describe a sane way for doing it
2755 [18:57:41] <teraflops> describes^
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2757 [18:57:50] <kalipso> teraflops: great thanks for that link
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2761 [18:58:10] <teraflops> np, I do it in a jessie headless machine
2762 [18:58:35] <teraflops> kalipso: or just use alsa…
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2772 [19:00:13] <kalipso> teraflops: i run a mpd server streaming to different rpis running pulseaudio, dont want to change the whole set up
2773 [19:00:39] <teraflops> kalipso: that's what I do for exactly what you say
2774 [19:00:49] <teraflops> or, again, just use alsa
2775 [19:00:56] <AlexPortable> Can anyone help me to remove what I don't need here? replaced-url
2776 [19:01:01] <AlexPortable> Sorry wrong channel
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2785 [19:04:03] <teraflops> kalipso: do whatever suits you best, I just gave you a couple of alternatives
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2790 [19:05:21] <kion> does Evolution work fine with gpg encryption?
2791 [19:05:34] <kion> or pgp?
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2794 [19:05:49] <missmbob> yes
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2802 [19:08:27] <kion> missmbob, I have always used thunderbird and since Debian comes wih Evolution I just wanted to see If it is as good
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2810 [19:11:01] <jhutchins_wk> kion: Actually, it's Gnome that comes with Evolution, and you'll probably find it better than Thunderbird.
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2818 [19:13:11] <kion> thanks jhutchins_wk I guess I will give evolution an opportunity, why do you think it is better?
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2823 [19:14:32] <missmbob> it's very well polished. much more so than thunderbird
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2825 [19:15:08] <jhutchins_wk> kion: I've never used a mail client I liked less than thunderbird.
2826 [19:15:41] <kion> jhutchins_wk, I loved the search speed and functionality of Thunderbird...
2827 [19:15:44] <jhutchins_wk> kion: Perhaps it's because Evolution is more specifically targeted, I think one of t'bird's problems is it tries to be too many things.
2828 [19:16:21] <kalipso> teraflops: yeah, i appreciate that
2829 [19:16:47] <teraflops> np
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2831 [19:16:50] <jhutchins_wk> I find the search function in Squirrelmail to be adequate.
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2834 [19:17:12] <teraflops> wow squirrelmail still exists
2835 [19:17:39] <missmbob> kind of. no release in 5+yrs
2836 [19:17:40] <jhutchins_wk> teraflops: Yeah, I'll probably try roundcube when I upgrade the server.
2837 [19:17:52] <jhutchins_wk> ,v squirrelmail
2838 [19:17:53] <judd> Package: squirrelmail on amd64 -- jessie: 2:1.4.23~svn20120406-2; wheezy: 2:1.4.23~svn20120406-2; wheezy-security: 2:1.4.23~svn20120406-2+deb7u1; jessie-security: 2:1.4.23~svn20120406-2+deb8u1; jessie-proposed-updates: 2:1.4.23~svn20120406-2+deb8u1
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2840 [19:18:04] <teraflops> kalipso: horde(imp) does _real_ opengpg
2841 [19:18:18] <teraflops> the only one I know of
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2843 [19:18:54] <jhutchins_wk> ,v horde
2844 [19:18:55] <judd> No package named 'horde' was found in amd64.
2845 [19:19:04] <teraflops> jhutchins_wk: I mean, nothing to complain it's just im getting old I think
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2847 [19:19:18] <greycat> replaced-url
2848 [19:19:36] <teraflops> jhutchins_wk: replaced-url
2849 [19:20:00] <jmcnaught> ,v php-horde-imp
2850 [19:20:02] <judd> Package: php-horde-imp on amd64 -- jessie: 6.2.2-3; sid: 6.2.17-2; stretch: 6.2.17-2
2851 [19:20:06] <Amun_Ra> ,v roundcube
2852 [19:20:07] <judd> Package: roundcube on amd64 -- wheezy: 0.7.2-9+deb7u2; wheezy-security: 0.7.2-9+deb7u7; jessie-backports: 1.1.5+dfsg.1-1~bpo8+4; sid: 1.2.3+dfsg.1-4; stretch: 1.2.3+dfsg.1-4
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2855 [19:20:33] <greycat> If I put "crontab.5" it goes to replaced-url
2856 [19:20:41] <teraflops> I like SOGo this days for groupware thingies
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2858 [19:20:51] <nullbyte_> soon debian 9.0 :D :D
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2861 [19:21:03] <greycat> err, instead of replaced-url
2862 [19:21:23] <greycat> the only way to get to .../jessie/cron/crontab* is to hit cron(8) and work your way backward
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2865 [19:22:03] <greycat> I wonder if it's because bcron-run is before cron alphabetically :(
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2873 [19:24:08] <teraflops> ugh s/this/these
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2908 [19:36:47] <aZz7eCh> hmm. jessie stable .. gnome3. replaced-url
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2910 [19:37:34] <aZz7eCh> through gui i am pausing/stopping/ them with the buttons obviously - to no avail. reboot and theyr'e still there
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2912 [19:38:01] <greycat> If it's CUPS, "man cancel"?
2913 [19:38:08] <jhutchins_wk> aZz7eCh: This is a good thing.
2914 [19:38:21] <jhutchins_wk> aZz7eCh: What is the GUI app you're using to display/control them?
2915 [19:38:27] <greycat> replaced-url
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2918 [19:39:59] <aZz7eCh> beautfiul. thank you greycat. you were the fastest. you win.
2919 [19:40:15] <greycat> that's because I didn't stop to open your jpg link. I just assumed CUPS.
2920 [19:40:22] <aZz7eCh> ;)
2921 [19:41:10] <aZz7eCh> ty also jhutchins_wk ... help always appreciated. using default Settings>Printers from gnome 3 to try and cancel the jobs.
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2926 [19:44:35] <jhutchins_wk> aZz7eCh: Often those customized GUI wrappers for a given desktop don't quite get the job done. If it's cups underneath that's the sure way.
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2928 [19:45:08] <jhutchins_wk> aZz7eCh: The reasoning is that unless you specifically say "wait, don't print that", the system does it's best to preserve the job in the event of a power/hardware failure or error.
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2934 [19:46:47] <greycat> Printing Is Serious Business
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2961 [19:57:23] <teraflops> aZz7eCh: tried the cups web interface as root and then from there cancel jobs?
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2965 [19:58:19] <teraflops> because I never ever in my life needed to use such gnome thingy
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2976 [20:02:24] <soee_> hi, any idea what can be wrong with mysql service if it end swith systemd[1]: mysql.service: Main process exited, code=exited, status=2/INVALIDARGUMENT
2977 [20:02:49] <greycat> INVALIDARGUMENT sounds like you have a mistake in a config file
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2980 [20:03:42] <teraflops> it ends where? looked at the whole journalctl output?
2981 [20:04:03] <greycat> and yes, additional error messages may be helpful
2982 [20:04:17] <greycat> it might even state which argument it thinks is invalid
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2986 [20:06:52] <soee_> one secons
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2992 [20:09:24] <soee_> greycat, teraflops replaced-url
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2996 [20:10:05] <teraflops> soee_: it looks pretty self explanatory
2997 [20:10:06] <aZz7eCh> teraflops, jhutchins_wk, greycat's link sorted me. simply command lined the jobs out. Its a DYMO Label Printer ... very touchy if you accidently try and send an A4 page to it
2998 [20:10:28] <soee_> teraflops: i'm not an expert with this stuff
2999 [20:10:28] <teraflops> soee_: also please do not use pastebin.com
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3002 [20:11:47] <teraflops> soee_: Failed password for invalid user user from is not rocket science
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3005 [20:12:04] <greycat> teraflops: that's not mysql. irrelevant.
3006 [20:12:30] <teraflops> oh right
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3009 [20:12:46] <Atm0spher1c> teraflops, why don't u like pastebin.com?
3010 [20:12:57] <greycat> People who use GUI browsers hate it because it has ads.
3011 [20:13:15] <gam3r> hi, dou you can how can create a partition on my hdd with full space please ?
3012 [20:13:29] <Atm0spher1c> ic, adblock?
3013 [20:13:34] <greycat> gam3r: use gparted or parted or cfdisk or whatever you like
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3015 [20:13:47] <gam3r> cfdisk is on all linux ?
3016 [20:13:53] <greycat> This is #debian not ##linux.
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3018 [20:14:05] <aZz7eCh> i haven't seen an ad on a website in years. adblock isn't default?
3019 [20:14:09] <teraflops> soee_: yeah sorry I misread, did you issued `sudo journalctl -u mysql` ?
3020 [20:14:49] <soee_> teraflops: we also have this replaced-url
3021 [20:15:21] <gam3r> when i want create my "full" partition i want set the last cluster displayed from size of fdisk -l /dev/sdc (c is my hdd) but is not really size on system :'( !!?
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3024 [20:16:07] <greycat> gam3r: paste the full output of fdisk -l /dev/sdc on replaced-url
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3027 [20:16:54] <gam3r> okey thank you !
3028 [20:17:01] <teraflops> soee_: idk if that's related to your failure, the service is not starting if I read your issue correctly, so tell journalctl to show only mysql related logs as I wrote above
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3030 [20:17:29] <greycat> soee_: sounds like you need to talk to #mysql
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3032 [20:18:17] <gam3r> replaced-url
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3036 [20:18:48] <gam3r> for calculate the real byte on hdd i must count by 1024 ??
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3039 [20:19:24] <greycat> gam3r: You haven't created any partitions yet. It's a gpt label, so I would use parted personally.
3040 [20:19:25] <gam3r> when i set 4000787027968 is out
3041 [20:19:58] <gam3r> yes i would can create aprtition with command line (but my problem here is not can push the correct size on command)
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3044 [20:20:36] <greycat> Don't expect every single number to come out exact to 12 significant digits. Disks are crazy.
3045 [20:20:58] <gam3r> no have special param for specify full disk ?
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3048 [20:22:38] <greycat> I don't have a blank hard drive just sitting around to practice on and tell you the exact commands. You'll have to figure it out. It can't be that hard.
3049 [20:23:07] <gam3r> its the same of my fdsik -l on paste web
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3051 [20:23:28] <greycat> Here's an example on replaced-url
3052 [20:23:31] <gam3r> but,
3053 [20:23:33] <greycat> The remaining partition scheme is entirely up to you. For one other partition using 100% of remaining space:
3054 [20:23:36] <greycat> (parted) mkpart primary ext4 513MiB 100%
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3058 [20:24:19] <gam3r> if my constructor of hdd announce 500Go > how i can count for calculate the just bytes on it please ?
3059 [20:24:31] <greycat> Up above that, it also says you can use the words "start" and "end"
3060 [20:24:42] <gam3r> on fdisk ?
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3063 [20:25:22] <greycat> That is what a drive manufacturer calls "4 TB", I believe.
3064 [20:25:57] <gam3r> yes its mapped on 3.7To but 400078... think's to me 4T
3065 [20:26:11] <greycat> Drive manfacturers use base 10 numbers.
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3071 [20:27:45] <gam3r> i cant use the result of command help me please the larger of size is out when is use the result of fdisk -l :'(((
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3074 [20:28:53] <greycat> I don't know what your problem is. You haven't even created the partition yet. Just go create a partition. Make it take up the entire disk.
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3076 [20:29:10] <greycat> If you don't like the partition, delete it and create a new one. There is nothing for you to lose here, yet.
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3086 [20:32:26] <gam3r> non juste because i think i will dont have every day a full access to mydesktop so the gaprted can ben used for cammand line in a system without
3087 [20:32:55] <greycat> I don't understand what you're saying.
3088 [20:33:14] <gam3r> sorry, my english is little... :$
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3092 [20:33:43] <gam3r> so for write a disk space used by fdisk -l its wrong method
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3094 [20:34:08] <greycat> I. Do. Not. Know. What. You. Want.
3095 [20:34:25] <missmbob> you're not alone
3096 [20:34:42] <gam3r> i will smoke a cigarette... I. Want. Create. My. Partition. With. Full. SPace..'ty....
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3098 [20:34:55] <greycat> Near as I can *guess* he wants to be able to report to his grandma exactly how many bytes of usable space are available in a FILE SYSTEM.
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3101 [20:35:31] <greycat> A partition will take up all the available sectors. There may be a few bytes "lost". Like 0.000001% of the fucking disk.
3102 [20:35:39] <gam3r> yes greycat i suppos its my think ^^ > no have the good size for fdisk with displaying information
3103 [20:35:46] <greycat> Then the file system will be created. It will have overhead (inode table, reserved space for root, etc.)
3104 [20:35:52] <greycat> This will use up MUCH MORE than 0.000001%
3105 [20:36:04] <gam3r> or,
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3107 [20:36:21] <Atm0spher1c> i want i want i want
3108 [20:36:47] <gam3r> if the size of my full hdd is: 4000787030016 Bytes (how i can push in maximum value for end of this (partition))
3109 [20:37:01] <teraflops> gam3r: tl;td linux ate your disk espace? ext4? if ye that's why. it's because ext4 reserved blocks
3110 [20:37:02] <greycat> JUST MAKE A FUCKING PARTITION THAT GOES FROM 'start' TO 'end' !!!
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3113 [20:37:09] <teraflops> space^
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3115 [20:37:37] <gam3r> non just want take the hand for making this ... i know i can use gparted or other ... but "i want"... thank you alread for your help
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3121 [20:38:14] <gam3r> *already
3122 [20:38:25] <gam3r> now smoking a cigarette ;P
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3124 [20:38:57] <missmbob> "i wanna wear a red shirt" ..."...put on a red shirt"
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3126 [20:39:30] <gam3r`smoke> i wonna make in understand head an english dictionnary ^^
3127 [20:39:36] <spacebug^> oh, so you have heard that story about the captain with the red shirt? :)
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3129 [20:40:00] <gam3r`smoke> oh bien sûr, c'est super tout ça... .suis.. mort de rire... ;PP
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3136 [20:45:04] <alien3> I have installed Stretch on Lenovo B50. No problem, run ok.
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3147 [20:47:12] <tables> root@debian:/home/user# apt-get build-dep -y libfltk1.3
3148 [20:47:13] <tables> Reading package lists... Done
3149 [20:47:13] <tables> E: You must put some 'source' URIs in your sources.list
3150 [20:47:17] <tables> how do i fix this error?
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3152 [20:47:30] <greycat> !deb-src
3153 [20:47:30] <dpkg> You can have apt download the <source package> from which a <binary package> was compiled using a "deb-src" line in your <sources.list>. A line like "deb-src replaced-url
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3155 [20:47:56] <colcha> where can I find a build of the libsdl1.2 package with libsvga?
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3157 [20:48:54] <jago> replaced-url
3158 [20:48:58] <colcha> i prefer not to compile, because I've a very slow cpu
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3164 [20:51:32] <tables> greycat, what does that do?
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3166 [20:51:40] <tables> don't i need a bunch of sources in /etc/apt/sources.list?
3167 [20:51:55] <tables> i just put build-essential and kernel headers
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3170 [20:52:04] <tables> and it still gives me the error
3171 [20:52:30] <greycat> You need at least one deb-src line.
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3186 [20:57:18] <gam3r`smoke> Dernier secteur, +secteurs ou +taille{K,M,G,T,P} (2048-7814037134, 7814037134 par défaut) : 4000787027968
3187 [20:57:18] <gam3r`smoke> Valeur hors limites.
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3201 [21:00:04] <jhutchins_wk> !fr
3202 [21:00:04] <dpkg> Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debianfr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debianfr.
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3205 [21:00:18] <greycat> Oh, did he come back?
3206 [21:00:41] <greycat> Not under any nick starting with gam3
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3311 [21:42:45] <gam3r> (re)hello: how i can mount in read only mode a partition of a hdd format in crypt mode ? (its mounted with packet libpam-mount of my debian and <volume user="gam3r" mountpoint="/dev/sdc1" ... /> of /etc/security/pam_mount.conf.xml)
3312 [21:43:34] <gam3r> mountpoint="/mymountpoint"*
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3316 [21:45:15] <greycat> ... XML in disk mount configurations. Jesus Christ.
3317 [21:45:38] <greycat> Whatever this is, it had better not be important for anything.
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3319 [21:46:09] <sonOfRa> greycat: it's pam_mount
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3321 [21:46:13] <sonOfRa> It's pretty common
3322 [21:46:20] <greycat> Never heard of it.
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3324 [21:46:22] <sonOfRa> Mount things like NFS shares on login with PAM, etc.
3325 [21:46:44] <greycat> Because autofs is too hard?
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3328 [21:46:59] <greycat> "So let's make it use FUCKING XML!!!"
3329 [21:47:37] <sonOfRa> I'd wager pam_mount predates autofs
3330 [21:47:44] <greycat> um, no.
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3332 [21:48:18] <greycat> "Tom Lyon developed the original automount software at Sun Microsystems: SunOS 4.0 made automounting available in 1988."
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3334 [21:48:29] <greycat> "Solaris 2.0, first released in 1992, implemented its automounter with a pseudofilesystem called autofs"
3335 [21:48:37] <gam3r> its the only solution for mount automatclly my partition on my started session of mate
3336 [21:48:58] <gam3r> i dont want enter always the passphrase,
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3338 [21:49:17] <gam3r> and so i dont have a usbkey in other
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3341 [21:49:59] <gam3r> its possible to mount with read only sonOfRa, please ?
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3347 [21:52:41] <greycat> So the reason this is done in the PAM libraryspace layers is because PAM already has your password...? I guess that would almost make sense. But then... XML?! Jesus. No.
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3352 [21:53:34] <sonOfRa> greycat: huh. Thought the pam stuff was older.
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3354 [21:54:07] <greycat> "PAM was first proposed by Sun Microsystems in an Open Software Foundation Request for Comments (RFC) 86.0 dated October 1995."
3355 [21:54:08] <sonOfRa> greycat: yeah it's done with PAM for that exact reason. I use it at work for our HPC Clusters: You log in to the headnode, it mounts your home directory, and the compute nodes work-directories
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3357 [21:54:36] <sonOfRa> And when you start the job, it gets pushed to the compute nodes, *the compute nodes* mount your home directory from the head node
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3360 [21:55:08] <sonOfRa> When the job is done, you have the data you wanted to compute lying "in" your homedir on the compute-node, and you can copy things off from there
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3362 [21:55:44] <sonOfRa> But why XML is anyone's guess
3363 [21:56:10] <greycat> Most likely because it was trendy at the time.
3364 [21:56:21] <sonOfRa> They probably needed a format that allows recursive structures, and XML was the thing to use at the time
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3366 [21:56:43] <sonOfRa> Especially since PAM was originally a sun thing, and sun was java at the time, and that was ALL xml
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3369 [21:57:39] <greycat> Equally hard for both humans AND computers to read.
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3394 [22:04:52] <glick> hi
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3420 [22:11:04] <jhutchins_wk> I thought java was json.
3421 [22:12:33] <greycat> JSON is Java Script Object Notation
3422 [22:12:38] <greycat> javascript != java
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3424 [22:14:01] <jhutchins_wk> greycat: yeah, I still expect them to be closer than they are.
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3429 [22:16:43] <sonOfRa> jhutchins_wk: java has recently become more JSON oriented, but originally it's all XML
3430 [22:17:08] <sonOfRa> fun fact: the JVM support for XML was so good, *scala* (a functional language that runs on the jvm) has XML literal support baked into the language spec
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3433 [22:17:36] <laurent095> Hello all
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3435 [22:18:16] <laurent095> how to install Python 3.6 in Stretch ?
3436 [22:18:39] <greycat> compile it from upstream source, install in /opt or /usr/local
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3440 [22:19:32] <laurent095> I can't install it from SID
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3443 [22:19:40] <greycat> sid has the same version as stretch
3444 [22:19:44] <greycat> ,v python3
3445 [22:19:45] <judd> Package: python3 on amd64 -- wheezy: 3.2.3-6; jessie: 3.4.2-2; stretch: 3.5.3-1; sid: 3.5.3-1
3446 [22:20:05] <greycat> oh... wait, sid has a *separate* python3.6 package that doesn't exist anywhere else
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3448 [22:21:57] <greycat> ,checkbackport python3.6 --torelease stretch
3449 [22:21:59] <judd> Backporting package python3.6 in sid→stretch/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using stretch.
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3451 [22:22:08] <greycat> So you have that choice too.
3452 [22:22:44] <greycat> Not sure that's any easier than "build upstream into /usr/local" honestly.
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3462 [22:25:42] <bluewhitew> strange things happened here
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3466 [22:26:08] <bluewhitew> i can't redirect RDP with socat but with ssh it works
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3468 [22:26:23] <laurent095> thanks for your help
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3490 [22:39:07] <danke> has virtualbox been removed from Stretch?
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3492 [22:39:36] <greycat> ,v virtualbox
3493 [22:39:37] <judd> Package: virtualbox on amd64 -- wheezy-security: 4.1.42-dfsg-1+deb7u1; wheezy: 4.1.42-dfsg-1+deb7u1; wheezy-backports/contrib: 4.3.36-dfsg-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1; jessie-security/contrib: 4.3.36-dfsg-1+deb8u1; jessie/contrib: 4.3.36-dfsg-1+deb8u1; jessie-backports/contrib: 5.1.8-dfsg-6~bpo8+2; sid/contrib: 5.1.22-dfsg-1
3494 [22:40:05] <danke> ooh. i guess that's a yes?
3495 [22:40:31] <greycat> replaced-url
3496 [22:41:09] <danke> Ah, that's a great tool. What are my options? wait for release and hope it's in backports? install a third party repo?
3497 [22:41:29] <ForceRecon> vmware works best on debian.... Use the player.. If you are going to remote to that machine, then utilize Anydesk as your remote access, it works better than team viewer and is seamless.. just an offnote here
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3503 [22:42:47] <jhutchins_wk> ForceRecon: Strongly disagree. vbox performance has been significantly better than Player for me.
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3505 [22:43:09] <danke> ah, cool. i'm using vagrant though, and it seems like most of the images on atlas seem to be vagrant based
3506 [22:43:15] <danke> i wonder if i can use qemu somewhere
3507 [22:43:16] <jhutchins_wk> danke: You would have the option to backport it from sid.
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3510 [22:44:30] <danke> ohh, jhutchins_wk that sounds interesting... is there a guide on the best approach?
3511 [22:44:33] <teraflops> danke: you can use galaxy and avoid the vbox part too
3512 [22:44:34] <ForceRecon> well not to disagree, but it must be based on hardware as I do this day in and out and I can assure you for my hardware and without memory leaks or refresh issues due to your video driver what I stated works very well.. but I gather this is a per basis situation, so I am glad you found what works for you
3513 [22:44:44] <teraflops> danke: just saying
3514 [22:44:56] <danke> teraflops, galaxy? wossat?
3515 [22:45:05] <vvor> /lastlog 1000
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3519 [22:46:24] <teraflops> danke: containers, or just plain docker
3520 [22:46:29] <jhutchins_wk> ForceRecon: May depend on what you run in the VMs.
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3522 [22:47:30] <teraflops> danke: just as side note, not trying to force you changing your workflow
3523 [22:47:52] <danke> teraflops, ah yeah. i run docker containers inside the vms.
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3525 [22:48:03] <danke> not at all, it's really appreciated
3526 [22:48:03] <teraflops> ah well
3527 [22:48:04] <ForceRecon> kali linux under vmware with alternate debian for testing .. but I hear ya..
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3530 [22:48:41] <danke> teraflops, oh no i don't mean like that... maybe with a bit of shuffling i can do away with it
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3533 [22:50:33] <teraflops> yeah, but when it works … you know
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3548 [22:56:50] <danke> true, true
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3640 [23:50:44] <glick> does anyone use mutt with emacs
3641 [23:51:22] <glick> ?#
3642 [23:51:58] <Sir_Designer> i think you set EDITOR in .muttrc
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3646 [23:52:26] <glick> yes i kow, i was just wondering if mutt and emacs are a sinsible configuration
3647 [23:52:32] <glick> sensible
3648 [23:52:39] <Sir_Designer> sure
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3651 [23:54:43] <vvor> glick: no
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3654 [23:55:47] <glick> vvor: why not?
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3657 [23:56:43] <vvor> glick: are you living in emacs?
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3660 [23:57:05] <vvor> glick: if so use one of its email options
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3662 [23:57:24] <Sir_Designer> is this a religious teaching on yer part?
3663 [23:57:31] <vvor> glick: if not go with mutt out of emacs
3664 [23:58:03] <vvor> glick: you can use emacs as the editor
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3666 [23:58:26] <vvor> Sir_Designer: no no no
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