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0 [00:00:08] <zuiss1> jim, so everytime i reboot the computer i should activate again before running my scripts
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15 [00:10:05] <jim> zuiss1, yes
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17 [00:10:25] <jim> activating (by itself) doesn't survive shell exit
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20 [00:11:27] <jim> for that, you can put the activate invocation in your .bashrc
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27 [00:21:18] <jim> zuiss1, I'm not exactly sure what to expect pwdwise, probably the pwd would be $HOME..,. even so, I'd probably write the activate invocation like:
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30 [00:22:03] <jim> source ~/my-first-venv/bin/activate
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32 [00:23:01] <jim> into the .bashrc, and I'd also arrange for the .bash_profile to source .bashrc, probably at the bottom of .bash_profile
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40 [00:29:15] <zuiss1> ok
41 [00:29:17] <zuiss1> i will
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44 [00:31:31] <jim> that way some venvs can be more permanent (so they'd have an activate in the .bashrc) than others
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79 [01:03:44] <Classsic_> I can compile and create .deb kernel package and install on another server?
80 [01:03:53] <Classsic_> *can I
81 [01:04:11] <missmbob> of course
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84 [01:06:02] <jim> Classsic_, sure, using make-kpkg --initrd (put targets you want here)
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86 [01:06:18] <missmbob> no dont use make-kpkg. that's deprecated
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88 [01:06:25] <missmbob> read the kernel handbook
89 [01:06:42] <jim> why not?
90 [01:07:08] <missmbob> it's deprecated, like i said. kernel handbook has the new method
91 [01:07:14] <jim> was debian packaging added to the kernel source?
92 [01:07:16] <Classsic_> I follow this guide : replaced-url
93 [01:07:42] <Classsic_> looks easy, but Is my first try.
94 [01:07:51] <jim> this kernel handbook, is it part of the kernel source, or part of debian?
95 [01:08:07] <missmbob> !kernel handbook
96 [01:08:08] <dpkg> The Debian Linux Kernel Handbook replaced-url
97 [01:08:17] <jim> oh ok
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99 [01:08:43] <jim> Classsic_, you should use that
100 [01:09:08] <missmbob> if you want to use deprecated tools that may soon no longer work, sure
101 [01:09:14] <missmbob> good habits go a long way
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108 [01:10:06] <jim> what I meant to say, is you should also read the kernel handbook
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124 [01:19:18] <ss4p> Is there any person who knows more about the debian kernel?
125 [01:19:26] <ss4p> and APT
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128 [01:20:20] <Classsic_> ok, I need compile latest 4.12-rc version.
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137 [01:24:35] <Classsic_> start compile!...wait for results, and comment here.
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139 [01:25:25] <Lynk> Classsic_: I hope you're using the -jN option? :P
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144 [01:29:06] <Classsic_> yeap, rigth now launch in two machines, one with (Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-3610QM CPU @ 2.30GHz), and the other with (Intel(R) Atom(TM) CPU Z3735G @ 1.33GHz)
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147 [01:29:45] <Classsic_> one have emmc, and other hdd
148 [01:30:07] <Lynk> Great :)
149 [01:30:15] <Classsic_> what is more important to compile faster, io disk o cpu power?
150 [01:31:00] <Lynk> It depends on the application you compile
151 [01:31:33] <Lynk> But CPU and RAM can't be enough for compiling a kernel :)
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153 [01:31:39] <Lynk> more is better
154 [01:31:41] <Classsic_> kernel compile :-)
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156 [01:32:33] <Lynk> On my machine I always do -j8 so all my CPU cores are at 100% ... ruduces the waiting time only 20min from about 60min before
157 [01:32:46] <Lynk> +to
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160 [01:34:12] <Lynk> Classsic_: At the end the CPU and RAM is more important for compiling a kernel :)
161 [01:34:31] <Classsic_> for now I see a lot cpu use, not a lot ram
162 [01:34:49] <Lynk> Classsic_: RAM usage depends on what's being compiled atm
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164 [01:35:01] <Classsic_> have 16gb of ram and use only 1.5gb, or you talk about speed ram?
165 [01:35:21] <Lynk> No. Some compilation processes like modules etc needs some RAM, not many, but some
166 [01:35:30] <Classsic_> o no....first error : debian/ruleset/targets/common.mk:295: recipe for target 'debian/stamp/build/kernel' failed
167 [01:36:08] <Classsic_> this is refer to make menuconfig?
168 [01:36:32] <Lynk> You should do 'menu config' before you do 'make <yourarguments>'
169 [01:36:44] <Lynk> Oops
170 [01:36:47] <Lynk> I mean: make menuconfig
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173 [01:37:22] <Lynk> And then choose the modules etc you need and not need, if you are unsure just hit Save and Close
174 [01:37:41] <Classsic_> yes, i did that
175 [01:39:38] <Lynk> Classsic_: replaced-url
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177 [01:40:15] <Classsic_> yes, where I have to set thats options?
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179 [01:40:30] <Lynk> What options?
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184 [01:43:01] <Classsic_> already comment, let' s try again....
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188 [01:46:03] <Classsic_> this in another pc:debian/ruleset/local.mk:102: recipe for target 'kernel_headers' failed
189 [01:46:48] <missmbob> seriously, start over, without using a deprecated tool. follow the kernel handbook
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191 [01:48:49] <Classsic_> ok, only Is not so clear for me. maybe who have some experience, is more easy
192 [01:49:20] <Classsic_> but, well all in this world is like that, have to try and a little effort..for good things.
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197 [01:53:29] <jim> Classsic_, if something in the kernel handbook isn't clear, just say something
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228 [02:07:53] <Pwnna> does lxc from jessie-backports not support overlayfs? I'm using the kernel from jessie-backports as well
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230 [02:08:36] <ForceRecon> yup
231 [02:08:37] <ForceRecon> hello
232 [02:08:48] <Pwnna> lxc_conf - conf.c:mount_rootfs:865 - No such file or directory - failed to get real path for 'overlayfs:/var/lib/lxc/mycontainer1/rootfs:/var/lib/lxc/mycontainer1/appbuild0'
233 [02:08:51] <Pwnna> oh
234 [02:08:54] <Pwnna> :(
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245 [02:15:12] <Pwnna> are there no other way to get this to work?
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269 [02:32:48] <micros> does does anyone know why using SIOCSIFFLAGS to set linux network interface flags to up or down doesnt persist across boot cycles? When i reset, the interfaces are up again. thoughts? alternate ideas? thanks.
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271 [02:33:19] <Classsic_> is finish! :D
272 [02:33:37] <Classsic_> where i have to look deb packages?
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277 [02:37:28] <missmbob> cd ..
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279 [02:37:50] <Classsic_> yes, already installed, boot....not luck :(
280 [02:38:20] <missmbob> you didn't do the make oldconfig from debian did you? that should fix that
281 [02:38:25] <missmbob> it's in the handbook
282 [02:38:46] <Classsic_> yes, I did it.
283 [02:39:13] <flaf> Hi @all. Can you confirm to me that it's impossible to _disable_ the progress bar indicator of the “dpkg” command? ie disable the message “(Reading database ... 10% ...)” etc. The goal is to redirect the output in a log file.
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287 [02:41:12] <flaf> replaced-url
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290 [02:42:13] <helpImStuck> if i want to use dnscrypt-proxy in debian.. how do i do? compile it or can i find it in the backport repos?
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292 [02:43:48] <Classsic_> make oldconfig && make menuconfig && ----then? in the handbook have a lot options.
293 [02:44:04] <Classsic_> will be the standard building command?
294 [02:44:19] <missmbob> make deb-pkg
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304 [02:46:48] <nem> How do I increase tmp dir size?
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306 [02:47:08] <prussian> is it tmpfs or an actual disk mount?
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310 [02:47:32] <nem> Good question
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312 [02:47:47] <nem> tmpfs
313 [02:48:14] <prussian> well how big? bydefault tmpfs is just half of system memory
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315 [02:48:40] <prussian> otherwise mount with size=whatever
316 [02:49:01] <prussian> works with (M), (G), etc
317 [02:49:30] <prussian> man tmpfs
318 [02:49:32] <prussian> o
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321 [02:50:11] <nem> Gotta love VPS packed distros
322 [02:50:15] <nem> Its an actual mount
323 [02:50:24] <nem> I expected to see a line in fstab, i did not.
324 [02:50:44] <prussian> ya usually /dev/shm is pretty much always tmpfs nowadays
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326 [02:51:54] <nem> Its the make-jpkg TMP dir file size error I am trying to work around. Nothing on google is helping.
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328 [02:52:31] <nem> If you got any ideas, I would love to read them.
329 [02:52:35] <prussian> well.
330 [02:52:38] <prussian> what?
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333 [02:53:06] * jim drinks some wellwhater
334 [02:53:43] <prussian> Is it a physical partition mounted to /tmp ?
335 [02:53:46] <prussian> or
336 [02:53:47] <prussian> wut
337 [02:54:15] <nem> Sec gonna pastebin
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340 [02:55:57] <nem> replaced-url
341 [02:57:03] <nem> I tried to do this on dextromethorphan when sick with upper respiratory infection and had better luck. I got further but I cannot remember how I did it.
342 [02:57:29] <nem> I have both a tmpfs and actual tmp mount, 8 jesse
343 [02:57:44] <nem> make-jpkg needs a fixin
344 [02:58:36] <prussian> weird...
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346 [02:59:41] <nem> I cant circumvent this error at all.
347 [03:00:05] <nem> Ethical hacking reveals a bug in make-jpkg
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350 [03:00:31] * nem drops redhat and paints it white with a can of glossy spraypaint
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352 [03:01:02] <nem> I also dropped my vape mod and the battery reset. Fun times. Is it monday or something? Heh
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354 [03:01:49] <prussian> yes
355 [03:02:04] <nem> Same issyue on my virtual machine, and physical LAN server
356 [03:02:09] <nem> Its not the VPS distro
357 [03:02:32] <nem> privyet, cog delah?
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360 [03:03:42] <prussian> i mean idk. at this point i'd just run strace and see what "file" gzip is being fed.
361 [03:03:53] <prussian> then maybe crawl through these scripts
362 [03:04:07] <prussian> you could point it to another dir...
363 [03:04:24] <prussian> TMPDIR="$HOME/.local/tmp" i guess...
364 [03:04:50] <nem> mkdir /home/killmyself make-jpkg xxx.tar.gz
365 [03:04:53] <nem> same error
366 [03:05:03] <nem> I tried that, but thanks.
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368 [03:05:29] <nem> Im considering calling my colleges and asking for help. But I have to make it appear to be a school project
369 [03:05:37] <nem> Tricky...
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371 [03:05:55] <gry> nem, you speak Russian?
372 [03:06:34] <nem> Biz partner and ex is russian. Living in a russian house until I move sunday.
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374 [03:06:57] <nem> Im blasting neurofunk drum and bass to avoid listening to it. I would rather speak enochian.
375 [03:07:22] <nem> I speak it, but I dont speak it well. I had bone cancer in my jaw.
376 [03:07:38] <nem> Cure for that is, baking soda rinse. Lots of it.
377 [03:07:58] <nem> Organic pure only, arm and hammer is filled with aluminum particles.
378 [03:08:10] <nem> SO yes, I do. But I choose not to =|
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381 [03:09:43] <nem> Deb8 should come with stacktrace and crawl prepacked
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383 [03:09:55] <simbalion`> am I right to think that systemd.service files are way simpler to create than init scripts?
384 [03:10:09] <simbalion`> I'm only just now dipping my toes
385 [03:10:09] <nem> That would be correct
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387 [03:10:37] <nem> I refuse to dump debian jesse, it has replaced yekaterina as my girlfriend
388 [03:10:56] <simbalion`> Is Stretch released yet? :D
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390 [03:11:40] <nem> gzip: stdin: not in gzip format
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392 [03:11:45] <nem> prussian: ^^
393 [03:11:56] <prussian> well ya...
394 [03:11:56] <nem> Only thing crippling me enough to crawl now.
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396 [03:12:39] <prussian> so just try strace. I have no clue what it's trying to gzip. I mean I'm assuming since it outputs info about the package you're about to create... the initial tarball you started with is a gzipped tarball..
397 [03:12:43] <nem> its telling me my wifexited
398 [03:13:04] <prussian> you can do file your jre8-whatever-oracle-aids.tar.gz
399 [03:13:12] <prussian> see what it really is
400 [03:13:14] <prussian> or
401 [03:13:15] <prussian> OR
402 [03:13:20] <prussian> you could just use openjdk...
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404 [03:13:59] <nem> oracle aids, haha. thats new to me.
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406 [03:14:27] <nem> If i pastebin this stacktrace you will exit lol
407 [03:15:01] <prussian> well I jsut want to see the part where it stat()'s and then reads your 0MiB tarball
408 [03:15:07] <prussian> nvm
409 [03:15:16] <prussian> are you sure it's a tarball?
410 [03:15:19] <prussian> use file
411 [03:15:24] <prussian> `file` the command
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415 [03:16:35] <nem> Yeah
416 [03:16:51] <nem> replaced-url
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419 [03:17:45] <nem> Meanwhile Digital Literacy for Life and the Workplace, hello nubs, time to teach you all what a VPN ghostry and adblock plus is.
420 [03:17:49] <prussian> just fucking use OpenJDK 8
421 [03:17:55] <nem> Okay
422 [03:17:59] <nem> You win. I concede.
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424 [03:18:18] <micros> anyone know how i might be able to select the up/down state for each connected interfaces so that it persists across boot cycles?anyone know how i might be able to select the up/down state for each connected interfaces so that it persists across boot cycles?
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426 [03:18:36] <prussian> i mean unless you really, really need the nonfree one for some hiyper specific nonfree extension in some J2E hell. then ya you have to use the oracleware one, but i highly doubt you need it
427 [03:19:01] <nem> Its for Solar...
428 [03:19:09] <nem> Solr sorry.. apache SE
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431 [03:19:48] <prussian> micros: are you using like ifup or network manager?
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433 [03:20:27] <N3X15> Getting a weird segfault on MariaDB 10.1.23-MariaDB-8 on stretch. Full log: replaced-url
434 [03:21:17] <micros> ifconfig
435 [03:21:20] <nem> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
436 [03:21:20] <nem> openjdk-8-jdk : Depends: openjdk-8-jre (= 8u131-b11-1~bpo8+1) but it is not going to be installed
437 [03:21:20] <nem> Depends: openjdk-8-jdk-headless (= 8u131-b11-1~bpo8+1) but it is not going to be installed
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439 [03:21:36] <nem> Time to post ridiculous twitter status
440 [03:21:41] <missmbob> use -t jessie-backports
441 [03:21:43] <micros> i tried using ioctl() to change the interface flags, that worked until i rebooted at which point init system seems to restore the state
442 [03:21:58] <nem> I touched, also added to sources.list
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445 [03:23:04] <nem> Thank God. No idea why it rejected the source.list addition.
446 [03:23:09] <nem> micros <3
447 [03:23:51] <aypea[1]> nem: cos backports are, by default, deprioritised so that they are not pulled in automatically.
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454 [03:25:32] <micros> any ideas?
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461 [03:27:20] <nem> Is there anyway to get service command working with fakeroot?
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463 [03:27:55] <prussian> it depends what your init script is doing...
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465 [03:28:41] <prussian> micros: /etc/network/interfaces ?
466 [03:28:53] <prussian> you can configure each of your interfaces there...
467 [03:28:59] <prussian> up down etc.
468 [03:29:37] <prussian> assuming you're using ifup
469 [03:29:43] <prussian> and not like networkmanager
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477 [03:33:47] <micros> how do i use the mode option?
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479 [03:34:05] <micros> im using ifconfig ifname up/down
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481 [03:34:17] <micros> ifup and ifdown tell me interface not configured when i use it
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483 [03:35:01] <prussian> so post boot, you physically configure the interfaces with ifconfig?
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485 [03:35:08] <prussian> is that what you're saying?
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487 [03:35:29] <nem> I dont know why micros would even need to do that.
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490 [03:36:45] <prussian> I'm assuming you don't have network manager. since you're telling me this. you can modify /etc/network/interfaces to run your ifconfig stuff at boot
491 [03:36:46] <prussian> ...
492 [03:36:50] <prussian> that's the best i can tell you
493 [03:36:51] <micros> prussian - no it just seems to come up on its own
494 [03:37:01] <micros> ok, from the beginning...
495 [03:37:29] <nem> If you want an interface to go down or up, write a init script
496 [03:37:55] <micros> i have a system with one or more network interfaces plugged in, the number may vary. i have a web page where a user can select the network interface, set it enabled/disabled, dhcp/static. however, may enable/disable option doesnt work correctly since after reboot, eth0 or ethX seems to come back to the enabled state.
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498 [03:38:59] <nem> Are you hosting in china?
499 [03:39:16] <nem> Legit question,.. They have issues with that sort of access constriction.
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502 [03:43:29] <prussian> well...ok
503 [03:43:35] <prussian> use network manager..
504 [03:43:36] <prussian> lol
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507 [03:44:00] <prussian> that's literally the best answer i can give if you really need to preserve dynamic network configurations
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527 [04:03:13] <nem> For kicks, prussian read the softethervpn blog about china
528 [04:03:35] <nem> Their IC and Police force is hilarious for even trying that.
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531 [04:03:51] <nem> Due got on a bot and went to japan, LMFAO
532 [04:03:58] <nem> Bat*
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534 [04:04:06] <nem> Sorry, Got on a boat*
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552 [04:11:51] <prussian> lol?
553 [04:11:56] <prussian> ok
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571 [04:22:35] <Niard> hi
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573 [04:23:08] <Niard> How to remake Debian image? Need to add soft and commands for install/
574 [04:24:22] <somiaj> What commands do you need for the install. The debian images are quite complicated to make due to their hibred nature
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576 [04:26:22] <Niard> command for other soft
577 [04:26:40] <dvs> fai can't do it?
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579 [04:29:17] <somiaj> I'm unsure what soft is.
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591 [04:34:08] <sleepyhead> Tmif: hi
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604 [04:38:21] <prussian> hi
605 [04:38:24] <prussian> ?
606 [04:38:32] <sleepyhead> prussian: hi
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655 [05:17:41] <jasonwc> I just installed the new 4.9.0-0.bpo.3-amd4 jessie-backports kernel and rebooted my system. My bond interface didn't come up because Debian failed to load the "bonding" module. I had to manually load it. I've never had to do so in the past. Did something change?
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666 [05:21:59] <alesan> I have a philosophical question
667 [05:22:19] <alesan> I have 200MB of space free on disk. I do apt-get install build-essential
668 [05:22:35] <alesan> now my free space is 40MB
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670 [05:22:40] <alesan> I do apt-get clean
671 [05:22:42] <glick> hi when using the dd command can i use the dot in the if and of
672 [05:22:44] <glick> like so...
673 [05:22:49] <glick> dd if-./somefile
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676 [05:23:07] <alesan> now my free space is 64MB
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678 [05:23:13] <alesan> (numbers are approximate)
679 [05:23:21] <alesan> now I do apt-get remove build-essential
680 [05:23:34] <alesan> and the free space only goes down 40KB
681 [05:23:47] <alesan> apt-get autoremove frees up another 3MB
682 [05:24:21] <alesan> why it does not go back to the original 200MB? looks like windows when you install stuff, you can never remove it
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690 [05:26:39] <sleepyhead> alesan: when you did that install it must also have installed other packages. remove those and you'll get your space back
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692 [05:27:16] <alesan> sleepyhead, of course build-essential is a "metapackage" or just a way to install a pretty big number of other packages
693 [05:27:23] <alesan> maybe 50 packages
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695 [05:27:36] <alesan> the compilers, working set etc
696 [05:27:47] <alesan> I do not know, I ignore the name of all packages
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699 [05:28:04] <jasonwc> alesan: "sudo apt-get autoremove"
700 [05:28:06] <alesan> the system obviously knows when it installs them
701 [05:28:08] <sleepyhead> alesan: it should be there in /var/log/apt/history
702 [05:28:21] <sleepyhead> jasonwc: he did that already
703 [05:28:24] <alesan> jasonwc, as I wrote, If I do that, it only frees up around 3MB
704 [05:28:26] <jasonwc> If you did an upgrade or dist-upgrade after, it would have shown you all the packages you could auto-remove
705 [05:28:56] <sleepyhead> alesan: the list of installed packages should be there in /var/log/apt/history
706 [05:28:57] <jasonwc> so, apt shows that you removed all the packages you previously installed?
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708 [05:29:15] <jasonwc> yeah, check the apt logs to see if the packages were actually removed
709 [05:29:25] <alesan> no I did not upgrade. I installed build-essential, compiled something, deleted what I compiled, and then did apt-get remove build-essential
710 [05:29:42] <alesan> no, the packages are not removed
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714 [05:31:03] <jasonwc> post the logs
715 [05:32:01] <jasonwc> So, with linux-image-4.9.0-0-bpo.2-amd64, the bonding module was automatically loaded. linux-image-4.9.0-0-bpo.3-amd64, I have to add the module to /etc/modules.
716 [05:32:03] <jasonwc> Odd
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718 [05:32:17] <jasonwc> a point release change should not change behavior
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720 [05:35:34] <tristero> I doubt the kernel automatically loaded it before; it was probably in your initramfs or some other userland configuration that's now different
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725 [05:38:55] <alesan> the log shows all the packages that have been loaded
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727 [05:39:26] <alesan> why if I do the apt-get remove build-essential does not remove them?
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729 [05:39:48] <jasonwc> As you were told before, build-essential is a meta package. When you remove it, you just remove the alias.
730 [05:40:37] <jasonwc> but apt-get autoremove should take care of the remaining packages. You said you ran it but it only recovered 3M. You then said the packages weren't removed. I asked you to share your apt logs, which you did not.
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732 [05:41:00] <jasonwc> If you want to know what apt did or did not do, look at the logs
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734 [05:42:21] <alesan> apt-get remove bzip2 libalgorithm-diff-perl fakeroot libclass-isa-perl libswitch-perl libfile-fcntllock-perl g++-4.6 perl libalgorithm-diff-xs-perl manpages-dev libc-dev-bin libgomp1 g++ linux-libc-dev gcc-4.6 libdpkg-perl libgdbm3 gcc libalgorithm-merge-perl manpages libtimedate-perl dpkg-dev perl-modules libc6-dev patch libstdc++6-4.6-dev binutils make
735 [05:42:46] <alesan> taken from the list of packages that were installed by apt-get install build-essential
736 [05:42:50] <jasonwc> tristero: I never manually set the bonding module to load in /etc/modules or elsewhere. Furthermore, I didn't have this issue going from the .1 abi to .2, nor did I experience it upgrading from 3.16
737 [05:43:08] <alesan> this freed up the space
738 [05:43:29] <jasonwc> so, what did apt do when you ran apt-get autoremove?
739 [05:43:36] <aypea[1]> alesan: apt-get autoremove will remove packages pulled in via dependencies from a package that is no longer installed
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741 [05:44:03] <jasonwc> Yeah, he claims he ran it, and it didn't work - although I doubt this.
742 [05:44:05] <alesan> now, AFTER I removed that, I did apt-get clean and I still got almost 15MB freedup
743 [05:44:25] <aypea[1]> apt-get clean cleans up your deb cache of installed packages
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745 [05:44:48] <alesan> aypea[1], so a apt-get remove operation generates 15MB of cache?
746 [05:44:53] <jasonwc> You're talking about two different things. apt-get autormove removes the packages that are no longer needed. apt-get clean removes the package cache.
747 [05:44:58] <Niard> How to remake Debian/Ubuntu image? I want to add other soft and need to add commands for them installation.
748 [05:45:01] <tristero> jasonwc: what does the MODULES line say in your /etc/initramfs-tools/initramfs.conf file? initramfs contents could depend on what happens to be loaded when you install the new kernel
749 [05:45:21] <aypea[1]> alesan: no. when you install debs it has to download them. it downloads them into a cache area and leaves them there post-install. apt-get clean does a cleanup of it
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751 [05:45:42] <jasonwc> tristero: Modules=most
752 [05:45:55] <alesan> replaced-url
753 [05:46:15] <alesan> aypea[1], no, I run apt-get clean before, to get rid of the downloaded packages
754 [05:46:30] <Niard> How to remake Debian/Ubuntu image? I want to add other soft and need to add commands for them installation.
755 [05:46:33] <alesan> the apt-get remove of those 10-20 packages generated 15MB of cache it seems
756 [05:47:10] <alesan> jasonwc, I know it's two separate things. still I'm suprised that an apt-get operation generates so much data
757 [05:47:13] <jasonwc> alesan: You didn't mention before that you installed libusb-dev, libjpeg-dev, and libjpeg62-dev after build-essential
758 [05:47:24] <jasonwc> If those packages require any of the packages from build-essential, they won't be removed
759 [05:47:28] <jasonwc> but autoremove
760 [05:47:37] <alesan> I did not mention that true. but no, those packages do not have any dependency
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762 [05:47:57] <jasonwc> alesan: It wouldn't show a dependency if they depencies were ALREADY installed
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764 [05:48:20] <alesan> so why the apt-get remove operation worked let me check
765 [05:48:30] <alesan> OK I see
766 [05:48:31] <jasonwc> it requires libc-dev
767 [05:48:34] <alesan> that was the reason
768 [05:48:36] <tristero> jasonwc: not very familiar with the bonding module, but I know it's never loaded in my kernel, so unless it's loaded when the kernel detects certain network hardware (I don't think it is), it's being told to load it by something else ...
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770 [05:49:06] <jasonwc> tristero: I would think it would be loaded as /etc/network/modules has a bond setup
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772 [05:49:23] <Niard> How to remake Debian/Ubuntu image? I want to add other soft and need to add commands for them installation.
773 [05:49:30] <jasonwc> I've been using bonding since 2014 and gone through many kernel updates. Something changed.
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775 [05:49:51] <jasonwc> I assumed it was loaded due to my /etc/network/interfaces settings
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779 [05:50:42] <jasonwc> alesan: Remove libusb-dev, libjpeg-dev, and libjpeg62-dev and then re-install build-essential. Then remove build-essential and immediatley run apt-get autoremove.
780 [05:50:47] <jasonwc> alesan: I bet that does what you expect.
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787 [05:52:39] <jasonwc> tristero: It's pretty unexpected to reboot after a routine kernel update without any changes and discover you have no network access. I'll report a bug. Would be interesting to see if anyone else is seeing this.
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789 [05:53:20] <Niard> so not
790 [05:53:23] <Niard> How to remake Debian/Ubuntu image? I want to add other soft and need to add commands for them installation.
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794 [05:55:06] <tristero> jasonwc: agreed, it just seems unlikely to be due to the kernel upgrade IMO. more likely some other userspace tool changed (like whatever ifup/ifdown use when they see bonding stanzas in /etc/network/interfaces)
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798 [05:56:10] <jasonwc> tristero: I suppose some other package could have changed but I'm running Stable and the system was only up for 10 days. I can look through my apt history to see if anything networking related was upgraded
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803 [05:58:39] <jasonwc> tristero: There were actually quite a few network-related packages
804 [05:58:40] <jasonwc> replaced-url
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806 [05:58:56] <jasonwc> bind9 and its associated packages
807 [05:59:40] <jasonwc> samba and its associated libraries, but that is doubtful
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810 [06:03:31] <jasonwc> tristero: Ok, something else is not loading. I added bonding and now I get a connect: Network unreachable message when pinging google after a restart (IPV4 doesn't work, IPV6 does). ifdown bond0 && ifup bond0 fixes it
811 [06:03:34] <jasonwc> so, it's not loading some other module
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814 [06:05:33] <jasonwc> will have to lsmod before and after and diff
815 [06:05:36] <jasonwc> this is bizarre
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825 [06:11:43] <jasonwc> actually, there is no missing module. The kernel update just broke something.
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842 [06:33:07] <mutante> would you know which package on jessie provides the PHP class DOMDocument? on stretch "php7.0-xml" did it for me, but what would be the PHP5 version on stable? php-dom/xml with or without 5, tried them
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846 [06:34:56] <jasonwc> tristero: I reported this as a bug. Not loading the bonding module might not big a big deal, but totally breaking IPV4 routing is.
847 [06:35:09] <jasonwc> Restarting the interface works but it reliably occurs on every reboot
848 [06:35:12] <gry> mutante: maybe php-fdomdocument (replaced-url
849 [06:36:50] <mutante> gry: .. kind of.. i was looking.. at that one too, but then it says "extends the stadard DOM to use exceptions"
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859 [06:45:09] <jasonwc> so, the issue was that I was lacking a proper default route
860 [06:45:25] <jasonwc> Where do I save the default route so that it persists after a reboot?
861 [06:45:47] <jasonwc> route add default gw 192.168.1.1 dev bond0
862 [06:46:04] <jasonwc> not sure what broke my routing table
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867 [06:46:37] <systo> you doing LACP?
868 [06:47:24] <jasonwc> Yes
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870 [06:47:40] <jasonwc> replaced-url
871 [06:47:46] <jasonwc> I already specified a gateway
872 [06:47:57] <jasonwc> This has been working fine for years. I don't know what broke it
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918 [07:44:03] <hata> when I try to run znc on my server it just says checking for list of available modules, then segmentation fault. ubuntu 16 vps
919 [07:44:14] <hata> google didnt help me, any ideas?
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921 [07:44:29] <hata> wrong chan misclick
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928 [07:48:23] <AndChat146900> Hello!
929 [07:48:31] <shtrb> Hello
930 [07:51:02] <AndChat146900> Someone use console only debian?
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941 [07:53:52] <shtrb> What do you mean when you say console only ? no gui or the actual console connection ?
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946 [07:55:10] <AndChat146900> I mean no gui
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948 [07:55:44] <shtrb> I have a few instalations like that
949 [07:55:47] <AndChat146900> I need to setup wifi but can't some
950 [07:56:12] <shtrb> wpa_supplicant or network manager ?
951 [07:56:14] <AndChat146900> There is some network manager
952 [07:56:23] <AndChat146900> managerin curses mode
953 [07:56:33] <AndChat146900> Will be great
954 [07:56:53] <AndChat146900> That support 3g will be great
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956 [07:57:01] <shtrb> " managerin curses mode" ?
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958 [07:57:30] <shtrb> I'm actually using wvdail + wpa_supplicant instead of NetworkManager in gui less installations
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961 [07:58:06] <shtrb> but you can control network manager using nmcli
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973 [08:00:12] <AndChat146900> Wicd doesnt connect
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976 [08:00:36] <AndChat146900> I select wifi but it remains on connection
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979 [08:03:11] <AndChat146900> I will try nmcli
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982 [08:03:19] <AndChat146900> Thanks for your help
983 [08:03:31] <AndChat146900> :)
984 [08:03:54] <shtrb> you can try , but it's usually mutal exclusive nm / wicd / manual wpa_supplicant
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1083 [09:12:08] <drivex> morning
1084 [09:12:43] <drivex> my software raid 1 started a resync during the night, but i dont know why. HDDs looking healthy, where can i get more information why this resync was forced?
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1112 [09:23:25] <bobbix> Hi, i need help to configure OpenVPN on Debian 8.8.0. I've seen all the internet for a good configuration but noone it's very esaustive and complete for me (tried).
1113 [09:24:02] <bobbix> My need is to configura a BRIDGED OpenVPN on a Virtual Debian Server (Virtualbox).
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1116 [09:24:58] <shtrb> Where are you failing ?
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1118 [09:26:55] <shtrb> bobbix What does not work for you, is the server up and running , the client had been able to connect when you perform the bridged mode are you able to access local server network (I don't know how VBox with bridged mode with the current version )
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1125 [09:29:11] <bobbix> shtrb: i'm confused i've read a lot of guide on this argument, but NOONE comparable with each other, so HOW o can install and configure OpenVPN (really) in bridged mode on Debian?
1126 [09:29:11] <bobbix> There is a guide for this? Updated and actual for Jessie 8.8.0 ?
1127 [09:29:57] <shtrb> bobbix , I do not present an agrument there (sorry , my coffee stash has ended)
1128 [09:30:28] <bobbix> OpenVPN Guides are not oriented on Debian, Debian Wiki are too older and i've tried to follow without success... so i think there are NO documentation about to install and configure openvpn on debian
1129 [09:30:38] <shtrb> I meant I do not know how well VB work with brideged mode , to verify if it an openvpn issue and not the VBox issue make sure you can access the server itself
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1131 [09:30:53] <shtrb> apt-get install openvpn is enough to install
1132 [09:31:08] <shtrb> to setup , you need to choose bridged or routing both has pro/con options
1133 [09:31:24] <bobbix> shtrb: my problem is not the installation (logically) but the configuration
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1136 [09:31:30] <bobbix> Virtualbox is not the problem
1137 [09:31:30] <shtrb> I mostly work with bridged mode but not on a VM for the server
1138 [09:31:37] <shtrb> I wouldn't say so
1139 [09:31:45] <shtrb> is the service up ?
1140 [09:32:14] <bobbix> no diefferences for virtualbox no a single differeence... so HOW i can configure OpenVPN in bridged mode? What are the single steps?
1141 [09:32:22] <shtrb> did you remember to perform port forwarding from the vbox host to guest
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1144 [09:32:43] <bobbix> I don't have understand tap, how to create it, virtual device, how to briodge it, how to configure firewall, how to ....
1145 [09:33:38] <bobbix> I need to start from zero, i've done a lot of tries so the approach following all the guides on the internet is not good
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1149 [09:34:20] <bobbix> There is a guide updated for last openvpn version on the last debian jessie ?
1150 [09:34:53] <shtrb> check this replaced-url
1151 [09:34:57] <shtrb> for the basic parts
1152 [09:35:55] <bobbix> Already readed, but is not intended for debian, so a lot of steps are not reported (how to install tap device?)
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1154 [09:36:58] <bobbix> Example... i've to install bridge-utils or not?
1155 [09:37:15] <bobbix> i've don't understand this
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1157 [09:38:19] <shtrb> if you wish to drop the dhcp server inside openvpn just use "bridge" with the ips
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1159 [09:38:32] <bobbix> What i need to configure OpenVPN in bridged mode? I've read all over the internet so or i'm stupid or the documentations are poor (or the two things). :-)
1160 [09:38:33] <shtrb> bobbix , have you ever setup an openvpn server before ?
1161 [09:39:16] <shtrb> you will need to have bridge utils if you would like to really bridge two ethernets
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1163 [09:39:58] <bobbix> NO, never, but i know what is a vpn, i've read a lot about openvpn and i've configured openvpn in tun mode with success but i need to browse the entiere network behind the vpn server so i need the bridged mode, with a tap device, an thi is less documented a in a lot of bad modes too
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1166 [09:41:01] <shtrb> you need bridge-utils , and add create a bridge
1167 [09:41:14] <bobbix> how i do this?
1168 [09:41:15] <balance> hi
1169 [09:41:16] <shtrb> but I do not know if openvpn will actually pass traffic
1170 [09:41:33] <balance> if I choose webserver at debian installation, does it mean apache or does it mean lamp?
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1173 [09:42:10] <balance> it seems it only means apache right?
1174 [09:42:12] <bobbix> shtrb: I think yes, i've read about this, with iptables rules i think
1175 [09:42:28] <shtrb> bobbix , if you add a new interface in interfaces with bridge_ports argument set (replaced-url
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1177 [09:42:50] <shtrb> * I do not think virtual box will pass traffic from host to guest
1178 [09:43:02] <shtrb> so SMB may not work
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1181 [09:44:45] <bobbix> yes it work (i'm sure) the virtual machine it's like a pshisical computer, with it's own network adapter (and mac address) i use virtualbox from some years so i don't havo doubts
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1184 [09:45:30] <balance> somehow apt-get install stucks at connection to ftp.ch.debian.org (although it seems to be up) what could be the reason?
1185 [09:45:31] <shtrb> dpkg what is the paste channel ?
1186 [09:45:33] <dpkg> shtrb: I think you lost me on that one
1187 [09:45:44] <shtrb> dpkg , list of paste channels
1188 [09:45:44] <dpkg> shtrb: have you tried replaced-url
1189 [09:46:18] <bobbix> I use a lot of VM (Linux and Windows one) and i use RDP, shares, and other services with no preoblems... my problem it's only OpenVPN on Debian. I'm looking for a good step by step guide for configuring Last OpenVPN on the Last Debian
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1193 [09:47:34] <bobbix> I need also to acquire "concepts" becouse the guides explay HOW (in a bad mode) but no WHY
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1195 [09:48:12] <shtrb> Bridge mode is good to see ARP + broadcast and all protocols
1196 [09:48:46] <balance> so it actually does connect, it just takes aaaages :/
1197 [09:49:15] <bobbix> shtrb: i will do a look at the links you have suggested ... i hope to find good solutions. But was better a guide specific for debian because configurations my change a lot from linux versions.
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1204 [09:53:13] <bobbix> shtrb: thanks for your help
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1219 [10:01:07] <shtrb> Sorry had to resetart my irc client
1220 [10:01:33] <shtrb> sorry my network dropped
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1223 [10:05:55] <Infra_3600> <bobbix> shtrb: thanks for your help
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1226 [10:06:19] <shtrb> I was about to paste my setting
1227 [10:06:24] <shtrb> thanks infra_3600 :-(
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1262 [10:30:38] <echosystm> can someone here help me install debian on a USB drive for an EFI computer?
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1265 [10:30:42] <echosystm> i dont understand this shit at all
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1267 [10:31:12] <echosystm> i have an existing debian rootfs on a usb. now i want it to work with EFI
1268 [10:31:24] <echosystm> other than booting, everything works - tested on a BIOS pc
1269 [10:31:57] <shtrb> echosystem , you need to enable boot from USB in EFI
1270 [10:32:17] <shtrb> at least on dell laptops
1271 [10:32:20] <echosystm> shtrb: the usb only has grub2 installed
1272 [10:32:32] <echosystm> i need grub-efi-ia32
1273 [10:32:38] <echosystm> but i dont know how to set that up
1274 [10:32:53] <echosystm> i have a fat32 partition at the start of the disk, which i've mounted at /boot/efi
1275 [10:33:08] <echosystm> i've added that to fstab too - should it be rw or ro ?
1276 [10:33:21] <echosystm> ^ that question and what to do from here, i have nfi
1277 [10:33:28] <echosystm> internet isn't helping
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1286 [10:38:38] <sbstn> did you check out man page for grub-install?
1287 [10:38:57] <echosystm> yep
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1289 [10:39:10] <shtrb> echosystm , I don't know sorry
1290 [10:39:22] <echosystm> all good, thanks for trying
1291 [10:39:40] <shtrb> for me it was enough to install debian ona usb and enable it in EFI to boot
1292 [10:39:45] <shtrb> *on a usb
1293 [10:40:29] <sbstn> I recall installing efi grub on usb, think I forgot some --efi-directory= from grub-install which caused it to fail
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1295 [10:42:24] <echosystm> i get the feeling the efi bits need to be done on a computer that actually has efi
1296 [10:42:31] <echosystm> i'm doing all of this in a VM
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1298 [10:43:18] <sbstn> also another thing to note: a lot of mainboard firmwires don't figure out the boot unless files named
1299 [10:43:51] <sbstn> something like EFI/BOOT/bootx64.efi instead of EFI/debian/grubx64.efi
1300 [10:44:47] <sbstn> might be worth a shot (duplicate /efi/debian/grubx64.efi to /efi/boot/bootx64.efi)
1301 [10:46:33] <shtrb> That the failsafe system , he already should have that installed (by default)
1302 [10:46:43] <shtrb> *fallback system
1303 [10:47:14] <shtrb> I'm not , but I was under the impression it was boot/efi and not efi/boot
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1305 [10:47:46] <echosystm> if you do that, does it cause any problems with system updates etc?
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1309 [10:49:06] <sbstn> well, grub updates won't apply because the system loads the file from other path
1310 [10:49:25] <echosystm> right
1311 [10:50:06] <echosystm> is there any way to get it to recognize that?
1312 [10:50:34] <sbstn> the system you booting? should be matter of selecting boot device from the list
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1316 [10:51:29] <balance> I just created a new user and if I try to ssh into my server, whcih works, I'm presented with "$" only. I can cd into a dir and ls and stuff but Im wondering why I dont see something like user@server:$ but only a $
1317 [10:51:51] <sbstn> default shell probably pointing to /bin/sh instead of /bin/bash
1318 [10:51:52] <shtrb> you are not on bash (probabably on dash or sh)
1319 [10:51:53] <sbstn> chsh
1320 [10:52:22] <balance> ah
1321 [10:52:30] <balance> yeah lol thanks :) changed it to bin/bash
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1325 [10:54:10] <echosystm> sbstn: i meant, make sure grub updates also update the real efi file being used etc.
1326 [10:54:15] <rokra> d
1327 [10:54:39] <rokra> d
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1338 [10:59:55] <sbstn> echosystm: the grub entries etc will get updated. for the actual grub binary you probably need to write a script that copies the file after an update
1339 [11:00:09] <echosystm> ok
1340 [11:00:25] <echosystm> grub-install --efi-directory 'x' doesn't automagically do things?
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1342 [11:00:42] <echosystm> wait nevermind
1343 [11:00:47] <echosystm> thats something completely different
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1345 [11:01:14] <sbstn> I think it installs everything, but as above, it does install it to /efi/debian/grubx64.efi, and I suspect all hardware don't figure to boot it automatically
1346 [11:01:53] <echosystm> yep thanks
1347 [11:01:56] <echosystm> this has been helpful
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1350 [11:02:04] <sbstn> also depends on what you building, personally for usb sticks I usually find installing syslinux the simplest way too boot
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1353 [11:03:01] <sbstn> (however for kernel updates, you possibly need to write the code for generating new menu entries yourself)
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1357 [11:04:02] <sbstn> (I think I used a script in /etc/kernel/postinst.d for that)
1358 [11:04:32] <echosystm> what is initramfs?
1359 [11:04:40] <echosystm> is it redundant with efi?
1360 [11:04:56] <sbstn> its the system image before rootfs is mounted for linux kernel
1361 [11:05:29] <sbstn> (includes required kernel modules, for filesystems, encryption etc. required for mounting root filesystem)
1362 [11:05:42] <echosystm> ok
1363 [11:06:00] <sbstn> (usually busybox shell too, in case system fails to boot you have hopefully enough tools to get it up with emergency shell)
1364 [11:06:30] <echosystm> i should probably sit down one day and learn how computers actually boot up lol
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1366 [11:07:13] <sbstn> no time like the time when you actually have a system that you really need to boot and it just happily fails :)
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1380 [11:14:27] <rudolf_> Hi
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1382 [11:15:16] <shtrb1> Hi
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1385 [11:15:44] <rudolf_> Is there a command to get hardware info without sudo?
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1392 [11:16:23] <shtrb1> lshw ?
1393 [11:16:41] <jelly> !what's my hardware
1394 [11:16:41] <dpkg> You can use lspci, lsusb, lsscsi, lspcmcia, lshal, hwinfo, dmidecode, and/or lshw, or even dmesg to find out what kind of hardware your machine might have, or you could crack the lid and look inside ... oooh, shiny! If you install lshw, run "lshw -html > myhardware.html" as root and you'll have a nice HTML summation. See also <myram>, <driver locator>.
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1397 [11:17:17] <shtrb1> dpkg is wrong , dmesg will not work without elevacted user
1398 [11:17:18] <dpkg> shtrb1: I don't know, could you explain it?
1399 [11:17:37] <shtrb1> can someone update dpkg about it ?
1400 [11:17:47] <jelly> shtrb1: it does still work on jessie.
1401 [11:17:57] <shtrb1> oh correct , sorry
1402 [11:18:27] <rudolf_> Ok...let me try. Thanks a lot
1403 [11:18:43] <jelly> and that factoid does not care whether you have root or not. Some of those commands will work, some may not
1404 [11:20:02] <shtrb1> the only thing that should not work is dmesg
1405 [11:20:20] <shtrb1> *that I know of
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1420 [11:27:00] <glick> hi folks, is there a way upgrade my kernel beyond linux-image 3.16.0-4 in the repos when i do apt-cache search linux image?
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1424 [11:31:12] <jolt> glick: You can use backported kernels
1425 [11:31:20] <jolt> I think the latest I saw was 4.9
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1432 [11:33:01] <glick> is it better to run testing distro vs stable?
1433 [11:33:05] <glick> for the latest packages
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1442 [11:35:23] <rudi_s> glick: For the latest packages yes (obviously as stable don't get any non-security updates); but it creates much more maintenance overhead as you'll also get new bugs and behavior changes.
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1447 [11:35:49] <shtrb1> glick , check unstable
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1449 [11:36:11] <Hyp3ri0n> how do i change my dns servers?
1450 [11:36:13] <shtrb1> but even unstable is not the most recent libraries (upstread )
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1453 [11:36:25] <shtrb1> Hyp3ri0n , resolv.conf ?
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1455 [11:36:36] <glick> do most people on their laptops run unstable?
1456 [11:36:58] <OtakuSenpai> shtrb1: just resolv.conf will do
1457 [11:36:59] <OtakuSenpai> ?
1458 [11:37:05] <shtrb1> I have no idea , I use sid on many laptops but I have stable on one
1459 [11:37:11] <OtakuSenpai> replaced-url
1460 [11:37:26] <shtrb1> OtakuSenpai , you can edit /etc/resolv.conf or you can update your client
1461 [11:37:32] <OtakuSenpai> this says tht i need to hav resolv.conf only
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1464 [11:37:46] <OtakuSenpai> ok
1465 [11:38:06] <shtrb1> /etc/resolv.conf is the default option to use , if you have some extra tools or you are not on static this file will be updated
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1467 [11:39:01] <OtakuSenpai> ok
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1469 [11:39:52] <OtakuSenpai> shtrb: can i hav multiple nameservers?
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1472 [11:40:24] <shtrb> yes
1473 [11:40:59] <OtakuSenpai> how will tht make my dns lookups faster?
1474 [11:41:16] <newcoder> dpkg-reconfigure -a, is it corect?
1475 [11:41:18] <shtrb> Depending on the ISP usuallly you get two or three , one for intranet level resolution (non tlds) and global ones
1476 [11:41:42] <OtakuSenpai> global ones?
1477 [11:41:45] <shtrb> OtakuSenpai , I do not think multpile will make your lookup faster
1478 [11:41:51] <shtrb> intranet and internet
1479 [11:41:56] <OtakuSenpai> oh
1480 [11:42:01] <shtrb> like 8.8.8.8 for example (internet )
1481 [11:42:10] <OtakuSenpai> so 208.67.222.222 is what i want to change to
1482 [11:42:13] <OtakuSenpai> OpenDNS
1483 [11:42:27] <shtrb> yes
1484 [11:42:34] <shtrb> an option
1485 [11:42:37] <OtakuSenpai> and i currently hav my local isps one
1486 [11:42:40] <OtakuSenpai> its slow
1487 [11:42:54] <shtrb> put the "fast" one first in list
1488 [11:43:01] <OtakuSenpai> ok
1489 [11:43:04] <shtrb> And use mtr to check why it is slow
1490 [11:43:13] <OtakuSenpai> mtr?
1491 [11:43:23] <shtrb> DNS usually are not put in traffic shifting or slow access list
1492 [11:43:34] <shtrb> mtr is a tool to check why there is a netowrk issue
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1494 [11:43:39] <OtakuSenpai> ok
1495 [11:45:05] <shtrb> Your ISP may be a node (for Google's DNS) , so if you use one of the special dns servers it would be much faster
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1497 [11:46:47] <OtakuSenpai> shtrb: i hav updated the resolv.conf
1498 [11:46:57] <OtakuSenpai> what do i do next,reboot?
1499 [11:47:06] <shtrb> no
1500 [11:47:11] <shtrb> all should be done now
1501 [11:47:15] <OtakuSenpai> ok
1502 [11:47:33] <OtakuSenpai> so speedtest.com it?
1503 [11:47:34] <shtrb> you can prepend that dns server using the conf
1504 [11:47:40] <shtrb> yes , but I doubt it will help
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1519 [11:58:42] <glick> anyone use i3 gaps as a wm?
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1521 [11:58:46] <glick> here
1522 [11:59:18] <OtakuSenpai> i3 the wm ?
1523 [11:59:24] <glick> yeah
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1525 [11:59:48] <OtakuSenpai> i hav a user with the default wm as i3 on my laptop
1526 [12:00:18] <glick> right now i have mate installed
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1528 [12:00:36] <glick> though saw some i3 videos on youtube
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1530 [12:01:27] * ballessay uses i3 (without gaps)
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1533 [12:02:03] <OtakuSenpai> whats the problem?
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1535 [12:02:57] <glick> no problem i was just wondering how you liked it,
1536 [12:03:18] <OtakuSenpai> its cool,but only if you want terminal only
1537 [12:03:48] <OtakuSenpai> also i couldnt find a good text editing app for the terminal(not vim/emacs fan)
1538 [12:04:05] <ballessay> OtakuSenpai: nano ? :P
1539 [12:04:06] <OtakuSenpai> so i couldnt do what i do mostly on my laptop,coding
1540 [12:04:19] <OtakuSenpai> nano too vanilla
1541 [12:04:22] <glick> you code, but dont use emas or vim?
1542 [12:04:26] <glick> wth
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1544 [12:04:31] <glick> lol
1545 [12:04:41] <OtakuSenpai> i know a lil bit vim,but
1546 [12:04:58] <glick> i used to be a big vim user in uni
1547 [12:05:05] <glick> but i think im going to emacs now
1548 [12:05:14] <OtakuSenpai> i wanted an editor which supported many windows,like geany
1549 [12:05:20] <glick> its nice, but a bit of a steep learning curve to be sure
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1551 [12:05:31] <glick> emacs supports multiple windows
1552 [12:05:37] <glick> emacs is an ide
1553 [12:05:38] <OtakuSenpai> idk
1554 [12:05:45] <glick> but like i said, has a bit of al earning curve
1555 [12:05:51] <glick> take a week to get comfortable with it
1556 [12:05:52] <OtakuSenpai> hmm
1557 [12:05:54] <glick> youll be glad you did
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1562 [12:07:07] <OtakuSenpai> shtrb: replaced-url
1563 [12:07:38] <shtrb> you have NM installed , this data will be overritten
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1565 [12:07:39] <shtrb> sorry
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1567 [12:07:56] <OtakuSenpai> ?
1568 [12:08:05] <shtrb> 192.168.1.1 is your router or a local DNS server ?
1569 [12:08:20] <OtakuSenpai> local isp
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1572 [12:09:12] <ballessay> why not add the nameserver to the nm connection, e. g. nm-applet -> edit connections?
1573 [12:09:14] <shtrb> ok than
1574 [12:09:25] <OtakuSenpai> ?
1575 [12:09:30] <shtrb> ballessay might have a point
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1577 [12:09:39] <stemid> hey does anyone know how to make gammu use a LAN connected modem? I've been fiddling with socat pty and I managed to make gammu work against a pty that socat created, bound to an IP:port over TCP. but the problem is that I can't run any other process on the same pty that socat has created. it seems that when gammu has it open no other process can open it. anyone know a solution?
1578 [12:09:55] <OtakuSenpai> ballessay: what do you mean?
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1581 [12:11:52] <ballessay> OtakuSenpai: Well you can specify 'Additional DNS servers' in the 'IPv4 Tab' of you connection (if you use nm-applet)
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1583 [12:12:13] <OtakuSenpai> how do i do tht?
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1585 [12:12:57] <ballessay> OtakuSenpai: (since i already know you use i3...) are you running nm-applet?
1586 [12:13:18] <OtakuSenpai> i dont know how to use nm-applet
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1588 [12:15:32] <ballessay> OtakuSenpai: well it's a 'task tray' applet, if you start it it should be in the i3status bar, but if you're into command line.. you could use nmcli
1589 [12:16:02] <OtakuSenpai> im currently using the gnome wm
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1594 [12:20:20] <OtakuSenpai> how do i change it in gnome wm, ballessay ?
1595 [12:20:36] <ballessay> OtakuSenpai: isn't there somewhere a symbol like: replaced-url
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1600 [12:27:49] <stemid> eh nevermind, I realized gammu does actually lock the pty of the modem. working as designed.
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1608 [12:33:25] <glick> hey whats the difference between testing and unstable?
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1611 [12:34:09] <ballessay> glick: replaced-url
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1613 [12:35:08] <glick> for a laptop where you want the latest packages is sid best?
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1618 [12:40:24] <shtrb> glick , kind of
1619 [12:41:06] <glick> kind of?
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1621 [12:41:30] <shtrb> not 100% , but good enough
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1624 [12:41:54] <glick> unstable gets no security updates?
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1636 [12:45:55] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
1637 [12:46:01] <shtrb> Hi BluesKaj
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1639 [12:46:23] <BluesKaj> hey shtrb
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1641 [12:46:53] <shtrb> What's up ?
1642 [12:47:32] <BluesKaj> having morning coffee :-)
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1645 [12:47:39] <glick> where can you download unstable boot images?
1646 [12:47:43] <shtrb> It's good
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1650 [12:51:08] <glick> i only see links to download isos for debian stable on the website
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1660 [12:56:03] <glick> is LUKS the best way to setup disk encryption in debian?
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1666 [12:59:35] <shtrb> glick , it one option
1667 [12:59:40] <shtrb> *it is one option
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1672 [13:00:20] <glick> is it the best option. or should i look into another otion
1673 [13:00:22] <glick> #option
1674 [13:00:23] <jmd> Gnucash in jessie fails to start. Does anyone know of a workaround?
1675 [13:00:26] <glick> option
1676 [13:00:29] <sorin-mihai> i'm trying to find some documentation about implementing dogtag in debian. is there any? my google-fu is broken today...
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1678 [13:00:44] <zykotick9> glick: <sidenotes> 1) i'd suggest starting using debian with stable 2) typically you install stable then "downgrade" to testing, then further "downgrade" to unstable... good luck (you'll need it, if you go the testing/sid route)
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1693 [13:10:44] <vadimkolchev> Hi all. Is anyone using gnome 3 desktop with debian 8? Cannot install gnome extensions, on page it says ReferenceError: chrome is not defined . Googled, but haven't found any good solution to it
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1698 [13:14:20] <teraflops> ,v chrome-gnome-shell
1699 [13:14:21] <judd> Package: chrome-gnome-shell on amd64 -- stretch: 8-4; sid: 8-4; experimental: 8.2.1-1
1700 [13:14:30] <teraflops> vadimkolchev: ↑
1701 [13:15:44] <vadimkolchev> teraflops, ah, thanks, that's why I cannot find it.
1702 [13:16:19] <shtrb> ,v kontact
1703 [13:16:21] <judd> Package: kontact on amd64 -- wheezy: 4:4.4.11.1+l10n-3+b1; jessie: 4:4.14.1-1; stretch: 4:16.04.3-3; sid: 4:16.04.3-3
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1705 [13:16:29] <shtrb> :-(
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1710 [13:21:21] <polysics> hello y'all
1711 [13:21:35] <polysics> I'll do something shameless
1712 [13:21:41] <jelly> please don't
1713 [13:21:42] <polysics> I have a problem with a touchscree: replaced-url
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1715 [13:21:54] <polysics> TOO LATE I ALREADY REMOVED MY PANTS
1716 [13:22:04] <polysics> (sorry, had to)
1717 [13:22:06] <teraflops> lol
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1719 [13:22:28] <BluesKaj> brain queeze
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1721 [13:22:32] <polysics> I am trying to figure out why I can't make that device match anything
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1723 [13:22:47] <polysics> I am not even sure the xorg.conf.d file is getting picked up
1724 [13:23:05] <jelly> polysics: did you try debian 8 or upcoming stretch in addition to 7?
1725 [13:23:39] <polysics> jelly: unfortunately I can't upgrade due to other software constraints
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1728 [13:24:15] <polysics> I tried various permutations of this: replaced-url
1729 [13:24:22] <polysics> and now I am out of ides
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1735 [13:29:45] <teraflops> polysics: libinput and a newer debian release worth a try, even wayland wich uses libinput by default, but given the fact youre using lxde and debian wheezy I have no idea
1736 [13:30:29] <polysics> teraflops: I would have to try reinstalling and seeing if the machine software works on a newer release, I will keep that as a last resort
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1750 [13:36:54] <polysics> I guess my first question is: do I need an xorg.conf file or are teh xorg.conf.d ones loaded anyways?
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1755 [13:39:26] <teraflops> polysics: afaik you dont, xorg.conf.d contents should apply
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1768 [13:46:27] <Argo456> heelo
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1770 [13:48:35] <Argo456> replaced-url
1771 [13:51:04] <Argo456> replaced-url
1772 [13:51:33] <missmbob> !repeat
1773 [13:51:33] <dpkg> Please don't immediately repeat your question if no one answers it. If no one answers, that means that either no one knows the answer to your question, no one is willing to answer it, or you haven't provided enough information. Ask me about <ask> or <sicco> if you need help phrasing your question. If you don't get an answer here, go ahead and try asking your question on debian-user@lists.debian.org
1774 [13:51:44] <Argo456> ask plz
1775 [13:52:22] <yolan_> !ask
1776 [13:52:22] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
1777 [13:52:59] <yolan_> Argo456, FX prices
1778 [13:53:15] <yolan_> Argo456, replaced-url
1779 [13:53:36] <petn-randall> Argo456: That is a manual to create custom ISO images, though it looks very outdated.
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1781 [13:53:43] <yolan_> Argo456, This page describes how to create a partial debian mirror and the steps used to create a custom debian install cd using that mirror. This document shows how to use packages gathered from a prototype system's apt cache as well as a download script that starts with a list of packages and fetches the appropriate versions.
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1787 [13:55:43] <Argo456> And where new manual?
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1789 [13:56:06] <yolan_> .......................;
1790 [13:56:26] <Argo456> [14:53] <petn-randall> Argo456: That is a manual to create custom ISO images, though it looks very outdated.
1791 [13:56:32] <Argo456> so?
1792 [13:56:32] <petn-randall> Argo456: There isn't any.
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1795 [13:56:53] <Argo456> what to do then?
1796 [13:57:00] <petn-randall> Argo456: Start writing one?
1797 [13:57:45] <yolan_> Best answer yet.
1798 [13:57:53] <Argo456> im noob
1799 [13:58:07] <petn-randall> Argo456: What goal are you trying to achieve?
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1802 [13:59:00] <petn-randall> Argo456: For most tasks you don't need to create a custom ISO, so maybe there's an easier way to achieve your goal.
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1820 [14:13:37] <OtakuSenpai> Hello guys
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1824 [14:14:29] <OtakuSenpai> You may remember Tht I was updating my DNS server through gnome,n I quite messed it up this time
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1827 [14:15:12] <OtakuSenpai> I can login here from mobile but my whole laptop is secluded from the network
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1830 [14:15:56] <OtakuSenpai> So what I did was just change the wired settings in Gnome Settings
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1832 [14:16:45] <OtakuSenpai> And I also left some options empty as I couldn't fill them
1833 [14:17:01] <OtakuSenpai> Risk what they were about anyways
1834 [14:17:07] <BluesKaj> OtakuSenpai, is this a work /office/college type network or a home network with router?
1835 [14:17:26] <OtakuSenpai> Home network
1836 [14:17:45] <OtakuSenpai> I changed the DNS to opendns servers
1837 [14:17:59] <OtakuSenpai> Let me give you some pics
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1839 [14:18:15] <BluesKaj> OtakuSenpai, then place your dns IPs in the network manager
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1841 [14:19:06] <OtakuSenpai> What do you mean??
1842 [14:19:13] <TrueDD> hi everyone
1843 [14:19:24] <ballessay> OtakuSenpai: practically what I said before
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1845 [14:19:51] <OtakuSenpai> I have them in my network settings
1846 [14:19:55] <BluesKaj> look in network manager for optional DNS fields and place the DNS IPs there
1847 [14:20:19] <OtakuSenpai> What's the network manager??
1848 [14:21:06] <BluesKaj> click on the network icon in the panel, if there is one
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1850 [14:21:33] <OtakuSenpai> You mean settings->network ??
1851 [14:21:53] <BluesKaj> dunno that depends on your desktoip
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1853 [14:22:06] <OtakuSenpai> I'm on Gnome 3
1854 [14:22:10] <BluesKaj> desktop environment
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1856 [14:22:36] <BluesKaj> not familiar wih gnome 3 ....anyone ??
1857 [14:22:48] <OtakuSenpai> Hmm
1858 [14:23:13] <missmbob> hell no. *shivers* where did you "change dns to opendns"
1859 [14:23:39] <BluesKaj> network manager has the same options with most DEs afaik
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1861 [14:24:02] <missmbob> just go back there. that's my point. unless you manually edited text files
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1864 [14:24:49] <petn-randall> OtakuSenpai: Are you trying to just make your system work again, or are you trying to set up opendns?
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1866 [14:25:00] <BluesKaj> look in /etc/resolv.conf
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1871 [14:26:14] <OtakuSenpai> I want to change my DNS servers bcoz they are slow
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1873 [14:26:39] <themill> slow sounds better than broken
1874 [14:26:59] <OtakuSenpai> I want them changed to opendns rather than my local isp's
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1877 [14:28:17] <teraflops> OtakuSenpai: so, did you measure it?
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1883 [14:28:51] <AlexPortable> if I enable a service with systemctl enable, will it autostart on boot then?
1884 [14:28:52] <petn-randall> OtakuSenpai: I highly doubt they're any faster.
1885 [14:29:04] <ballessay> OtakuSenpai: Have you, maybe, set the connection to 'manual" but only set the DNS server?
1886 [14:29:05] <teraflops> I think what you need is setting up a dns cache if you want your dns resolution getting faster
1887 [14:29:15] <petn-randall> OtakuSenpai: Most ISPs have their DNS right in their perimeter, which is usually only a few hops.
1888 [14:29:16] <teraflops> unbound or similar
1889 [14:29:23] <BluesKaj> AlexPortable it should
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1891 [14:31:12] <BluesKaj> I tried opendns , and I didn't notice any speesd differences vs my ISPs DNS
1892 [14:31:17] <OtakuSenpai> Ok
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1894 [14:31:56] <OtakuSenpai> I tried uploading a pic of the screen but the site didn't respond
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1896 [14:32:29] <OtakuSenpai> What do I have to do to get my system set with opendns??
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1898 [14:32:48] <jelly> !override dns
1899 [14:32:49] <dpkg> To instruct dhclient to use your specified nameserver rather than the one given by your DHCP server, echo "supersede domain-name-servers a.b.c.d, e.f.g.h;" >> /etc/dhcp/dhclient.conf, or see man 5 dhclient.conf for more information. Instead of supersede, you can use "prepend" or "append" to add nameservers. Or remove domain-name-servers (etc.) from "request" in dhclient.conf if you prefer.
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1902 [14:33:25] <missmbob> dont do that. if you used your DE's interface (nm) to break it, go back there to fix it
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1904 [14:33:50] <jelly> if you're using network manager I think you can also use its clicky way to put your custom servers instead, or in addition to, the ones provided by dhcp server
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1907 [14:34:00] <teraflops> you can
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1915 [14:34:35] <themill> opendns isn't a particularly good choice in any case
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1917 [14:34:51] <OtakuSenpai> Ok just one question
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1923 [14:37:01] <OtakuSenpai> In gnome settings->network->wired->ipv4 the DNS server is set to opendns,but the rest of the four rows downwards have not been touched due to the lack of my net savvyness
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1927 [14:37:37] <OtakuSenpai> I could love to show you guys a pic but I have to get some things working
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1929 [14:38:09] <OtakuSenpai> Do they remain empty or should they be filled??
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1931 [14:38:28] <missmbob> instead of manual pick "automatic (DHCP) address only"
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1934 [14:38:54] <BluesKaj> OtakuSenpai, so how many nameservers are listed there?
1935 [14:39:35] <OtakuSenpai> 2,both opendns
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1937 [14:39:57] <petn-randall> Wasn't opendns the service that replied to DNS requests to show advertisement in the past?
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1939 [14:40:13] <missmbob> yes. i'd use google dns
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1942 [14:41:55] <missmbob> OtakuSenpai: did what i said work?
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1947 [14:42:52] <OtakuSenpai> Missmbob,I didn't try anything
1948 [14:43:04] <missmbob> glad we're talking to ourselves
1949 [14:43:09] <BluesKaj> petn-randall, not rxqctly, but if you register they soanm your email redqently
1950 [14:43:14] <BluesKaj> exactly
1951 [14:43:22] <BluesKaj> spam'
1952 [14:43:48] <missmbob> redirecting to their own search/ad page isn't cool
1953 [14:43:49] <OtakuSenpai> My fscked dns replaced-url
1954 [14:43:50] <BluesKaj> ioops KB battery light is on
1955 [14:44:06] <petn-randall> I think they responded with A records in the past instead of NXDOMAIN, showing ads on the landing page.
1956 [14:44:22] <missmbob> OtakuSenpai: i already told you how to fix it. so stop wasting our time and do what we say
1957 [14:44:33] <OtakuSenpai> Guys that s my gnome settings picture
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1963 [14:46:50] <BluesKaj> OtakuSenpai, it doesn't help
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1965 [14:48:31] <OtakuSenpai> Missmbob,I get it but I don't understand what to do in the gnome settings to fix it
1966 [14:48:55] <OtakuSenpai> I read the logs before but I didn't understand
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1970 [14:49:05] <missmbob> 07:38 < missmbob> instead of manual pick "automatic (DHCP) address only"
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1973 [14:50:12] <OtakuSenpai> Its automatic dhcp
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1975 [14:50:28] <OtakuSenpai> Also automatic dns
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1977 [14:50:38] <BluesKaj> missmbob, it would help if you addressed him using his nick, I think missed some of your answers
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1983 [14:52:21] <OtakuSenpai> Does the "Routes" subgroup have to be filled too??
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1986 [14:53:24] <missmbob> normally no
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1995 [14:58:56] <OtakuSenpai> Then why is it not working??
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1997 [14:59:35] <OtakuSenpai> :c
1998 [15:00:24] <missmbob> because you didnt do what i said, probably
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2000 [15:01:09] <OtakuSenpai> Do what exactly?
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2002 [15:01:36] <OtakuSenpai> I'm on mobile
2003 [15:01:55] <OtakuSenpai> I can't see msgs properly
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2007 [15:03:19] <BluesKaj> OtakuSenpai, run, sudo dhclient , in the console ...hope you could read that
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2011 [15:05:36] <anarc0der> hi all any tutorial for install debian in full ssd?
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2013 [15:06:21] <centrx> anarc0der: same as with not ssd?
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2016 [15:06:47] <BluesKaj> anarc0der, ssd, hdd no fifference
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2018 [15:06:57] <BluesKaj> difference
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2022 [15:08:13] <at0m> anarc0der: look into fstrim when using an ssd, if fstrim isn't installed by default
2023 [15:08:22] <at0m> i run fstrim as a weekly cronjob..
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2027 [15:09:25] <at0m> other than that, ssd is the same as spinning hd. and enjoy the extra speed =)
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2029 [15:09:37] <anarc0der> thanks my friend =)
2030 [15:10:15] <at0m> anarc0der: and, not debian-specific, ssd's do not like to get too full
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2066 [15:41:38] <teraflops> I wonder if stretch comes with fstrim.timer, in jessie I only see /usr/share/doc/util-linux/examples/fstrim.{timer,service}
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2078 [15:43:31] <at0m> teraflops: no fstrim.timer on my testing
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2081 [15:44:02] <teraflops> oh, thanks for the checking it
2082 [15:44:32] <at0m> teraflops: seems there is a /usr/share/doc/util-linux/examples/fstrim.timer
2083 [15:44:49] <at0m> also weekly like my cronjob =)
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2088 [15:49:36] <prussian> you can mount with discard as well
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2092 [15:52:08] <jelly> some ssds get performance issues when it's a mount option so a weekly cron job is probably safer
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2102 [15:58:07] <prussian> true...
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2140 [16:15:57] <Hyp3ri0n> Missmbob: I did the client.conf way but its still unresolved
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2142 [16:16:16] <Hyp3ri0n> Dhclient.conf
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2144 [16:17:28] <jelly> Hyp3ri0n: did you disconnect and reconnect? Is there a newer dhclient process?
2145 [16:17:45] <jelly> did you try all the options or just that one?
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2147 [16:18:12] <OtakuSenpai> Jelly I restarted the nachine
2148 [16:18:17] <OtakuSenpai> Machine
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2152 [16:19:42] <jonfatino> Hello. So I got the debian livecd to 100% pxe boot based on http
2153 [16:19:43] <jonfatino> replaced-url
2154 [16:19:58] <jonfatino> How do I configure the livecd to auto start ssh and download our key file?
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2156 [16:20:24] <jonfatino> Do I know like a kickstart / preseed file? or do I need to edit like init.d/rc.local inside the squashfs file?
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2164 [16:24:00] <neglesaks> I'm seeing a troubling increase in problems with xorg (?) after a patch sometime the last month. Is anyone else experiencing increased choppyness of the GUI, disappearance of windows borders/decorations and outright gui rfreezes lately?
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2208 [16:44:18] <michiokaku> hi how can I install grub if I didn't do at installation time?
2209 [16:44:40] <michiokaku> I can't boot but I have the cdrom, I don't want to install again
2210 [16:45:22] <michiokaku> if I open a console, grub-installer /dev/mydisk doesn't help
2211 [16:45:37] <michiokaku> nor there is documentation of the command
2212 [16:45:38] <petn-randall> michiokaku: You can use rescue mode on that disk. But if it failed in the first place due to using unetbootin or similar, it might fail again.
2213 [16:45:45] <petn-randall> !fixmbr
2214 [16:45:46] <dpkg> To reinstall <GRUB> boot to your Debian install disk/live CD, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext4 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc ; mount -t sysfs none /target/sys), chroot into it (chroot /target), run "mount /boot/efi" on EFI and "update-grub && grub-install /dev/whatever". See also <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>.
2215 [16:45:48] <petn-randall> michiokaku: ^^^
2216 [16:45:51] <petn-randall> (gotta leave now)
2217 [16:46:14] <michiokaku> ok I'll try that
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2237 [16:55:15] <jonfatino> Hello how do I modify the debian livecd to run a command once its fully booted?
2238 [16:55:25] <jonfatino> I want to wget a script from my web server and run it
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2240 [16:55:57] <jhutchins_wk> michiokaku: grub-installer isn't a valid command.
2241 [16:56:42] <jhutchins_wk> michiokaku: The actual command has a manpage.
2242 [16:56:52] <prussian> jonfatino: have you considered using proper auto-provisioning tools like cloud-init?
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2245 [16:57:24] <jhutchins_wk> jonfatino: You would have to remaster the image.
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2247 [16:58:05] <jonfatino> prussian: this is just for rescue mode for a few dedicated servers in our data center.
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2250 [16:58:13] <jonfatino> jhutchins_wk: can you point me in the right direction?
2251 [16:58:18] <jhutchins_wk> jonfatino: isomaster is a handy wrapper that automates the process.
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2253 [16:58:22] <michiokaku> grub-install error will not proceed with blocklists
2254 [16:58:37] <jhutchins_wk> ,v isomaster
2255 [16:58:38] <judd> Package: isomaster on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.3.9-1; jessie: 1.3.9-2; stretch: 1.3.13-1+b1; sid: 1.3.13-1+b1
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2257 [16:59:51] <michiokaku> ops, I was trying to install it on a partition instead of the disk
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2266 [17:01:15] <michiokaku> damn it, how do I reset the root password from the cdrom?
2267 [17:01:28] <jelly> !ifrp
2268 [17:01:28] <dpkg> For GRUB: 1) press 'e' to edit the kernel setting in the grub command line (add 'init=/bin/sh' to the end of it) 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) 'reboot -d -f' (exec /sbin/init should work); For LILO: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at the LILO boot prompt (hold Shift while booting), steps 2-6 are the same; For yaboot: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at yaboot prompt.
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2273 [17:01:59] <OtakuSenpai> Guys help me
2274 [17:02:09] <jonfatino> jhutchins_wk: so If I wanted to edit the squashfs image. I would simply mount that and re-package it and upload back to pxe deployment server. I assume I could just add some command in /etc/init.d/rc.local?
2275 [17:02:59] <jelly> michiokaku: instead of steps 1-3, mount your root filesystem from live cd on a mountpoint, eg. /mnt, chroot /mnt, then run "passwd root"
2276 [17:03:24] <michiokaku> jelly: grub is fine, I wasn't thinking you could do with it
2277 [17:03:29] <michiokaku> thanks
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2279 [17:03:55] <OtakuSenpai> Jelly my wired conn is still not connecting
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2281 [17:05:47] <jhutchins_wk> jonfatino: Yes, that would work.
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2287 [17:07:38] <OtakuSenpai> Anyone??
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2289 [17:08:31] <prussian> wut
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2291 [17:08:44] <prussian> what's not working
2292 [17:09:24] <OtakuSenpai> DNS lookups
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2299 [17:12:07] <OtakuSenpai> I applied automatic dhcp n all but it didn't work
2300 [17:12:17] <prussian> ok
2301 [17:12:26] <prussian> so you have an ip and everything but dns doesn't work?
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2303 [17:12:53] <OtakuSenpai> I also tried changing to Google's DNS but it didn't work
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2305 [17:13:10] <prussian> so you check /etc/nsswitch.conf and /etc/resolv.conf ?
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2310 [17:13:36] <OtakuSenpai> I checked both
2311 [17:13:49] <OtakuSenpai> Resolve.conf especially
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2313 [17:14:10] <BluesKaj> OtakuSenpai, I think there's more wrong with your network settings than just dns
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2315 [17:14:41] <prussian> if you can reach out with IPs then it's a DNS issue for sure... are you using networkmanager or....what?
2316 [17:14:52] <OtakuSenpai> So how do I do automatic DNS searchup in my debian
2317 [17:15:06] <OtakuSenpai> No I can't reach any ip
2318 [17:15:08] <prussian> let networkmanager do it?
2319 [17:15:20] <prussian> well then you have more problems than dns
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2322 [17:15:44] <prussian> ip addr show gives you interfaces with an inet4/6 address that isn't link local or loopback?
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2325 [17:16:07] <OtakuSenpai> No
2326 [17:16:16] <OtakuSenpai> Nothings working
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2328 [17:16:52] <OtakuSenpai> If I could just reset the network the way it happened during installation
2329 [17:17:01] <OtakuSenpai> I could be happy
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2332 [17:19:22] <OtakuSenpai> Anyone cmon
2333 [17:19:54] <jhutchins_wk> OtakuSenpai: Be patient. Tell us more clearly what you've done so far.
2334 [17:20:34] <OtakuSenpai> Do I have to set "Routes" in gnome settings->network>wired??
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2338 [17:21:00] <jhutchins_wk> OtakuSenpai: You shouldn't for most environments.
2339 [17:21:09] <OtakuSenpai> I don't remember if it was filled earlier but I didn't set anything this time
2340 [17:21:45] <OtakuSenpai> But what if my Isp required so?
2341 [17:21:57] <jhutchins_wk> OtakuSenpai: If you're not going to tell us what you've done so far we can't help you.
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2343 [17:22:09] <OtakuSenpai> Ok
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2345 [17:23:00] <OtakuSenpai> First I tried changing my DNS server by resolving.conf to something other than my isp
2346 [17:23:09] <jhutchins_wk> !networking
2347 [17:23:10] <dpkg> For basic networking, «man interfaces» and see replaced-url
2348 [17:23:15] <jhutchins_wk> OtakuSenpai: Before that.
2349 [17:23:19] <prussian> so. ok wait
2350 [17:23:27] <prussian> so you have GNOME. so you have networkmanager..
2351 [17:23:30] <prussian> right?
2352 [17:23:32] <OtakuSenpai> Yes
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2354 [17:24:33] <OtakuSenpai> Then when it didn't work I tried changing my DNS server through gnome settings
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2356 [17:25:19] <OtakuSenpai> I tried to copy what was their originally,but I don't know if Routes was filled up or not
2357 [17:26:01] <OtakuSenpai> So I tried changing through gnome settings a couple of times but it didn't work
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2360 [17:27:37] <OtakuSenpai> At the end I tried what Missmbob said and Tht too didn't work
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2367 [17:34:02] <jhutchins_wk> OtakuSenpai: For wired networking, most people don't use the GUI tools, they set it up in the interfaces file. Perhaps you should remove anything in NetworkManager and start clean with that.
2368 [17:34:13] <jhutchins_wk> OtakuSenpai: Perhaps read that first link above.
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2374 [17:38:20] <BluesKaj> nm causes more problems than it's worth for ethernet unless one is using wifi
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2377 [17:41:26] <BluesKaj> /etc/network/interfaces and /etc/resolv.conf FTW IMO
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2383 [17:45:25] <OtakuSenpai> (jhutchins_wk) how should I clean network manager??
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2387 [17:46:52] <ballessay> OtakuSenpai: stop/disable the deamon?
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2390 [17:47:17] <OtakuSenpai> Systemctl ... ??
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2403 [17:52:38] <crazyjoey9972> hello?
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2405 [17:53:57] <crazyjoey9972> anyone home?
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2408 [17:54:55] <mtn> 1712 folks logged in
2409 [17:55:15] <mtn> just ask your question ;)
2410 [17:55:26] <crazyjoey9972> oh okay...
2411 [17:55:59] <crazyjoey9972> Kodi released 17.3 due to a vunerability. I have Debian Jessie. Backports only has Kodi 16.1 as the latest version. Any chance that it will get 17.3?
2412 [17:56:13] <jelly> ,v kodi
2413 [17:56:14] <judd> Package: kodi on amd64 -- jessie-backports: 16.1+dfsg1-2~bpo8+1; stretch: 2:17.1+dfsg1-2; sid: 2:17.1+dfsg1-2; jessie-multimedia: 5:14.2+repack-dmo1b2; sid-multimedia: 5:17.3-dmo1
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2416 [17:56:59] <jelly> crazyjoey9972: if there's a newer backport, it will probably be of a patched-up 17.1 or whatever ends up being in stretch
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2422 [17:59:15] <Argo456> hellp
2423 [17:59:22] <crazyjoey9972> jelly: I thought it was bad to install packages destined for one version of Debian....for example, sid packages on jessie or vice versa
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2425 [17:59:42] <Argo456> How to create own distro based on Debian?
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2430 [18:00:35] <Argo456> heyeyhey
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2433 [18:02:37] <jelly> crazyjoey9972: it is, that's why backports exist in the first place
2434 [18:02:44] <cseder> Is debian "testing" stable enough to use as a desktop os?
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2436 [18:03:51] <jelly> crazyjoey9972: in general backports for stable are only made out of the source version in testing, not anything newer or older
2437 [18:03:57] <mtn> cseder: yes
2438 [18:04:22] <cseder> mtn ok, so the stable release is mainly for servers?
2439 [18:04:25] <jelly> even if it is, there's no security support yet
2440 [18:04:37] <crazyjoey9972> jelly: so whoever is maintaining "kodi" in backports....it's whenever they have the time to update it, I guess.....right?
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2442 [18:04:51] <mtn> cseder: no. it is even better for desktop. testing is sometimes not very stable, but is fine right now
2443 [18:04:58] <jelly> crazyjoey9972: pretty much. You could ask for a refresh on their mailing list I guess?
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2446 [18:05:24] <cseder> Haven't used debian in a few years, but I remember back then "stable" was rather dated. Has this changed?
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2448 [18:05:26] <mtn> cseder: you can use debain stable for whatever you want
2449 [18:05:29] <jelly> cseder: nope
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2451 [18:05:42] <mtn> cseder: at the end of its cycle, stable is quite "dated"
2452 [18:05:43] <Argo456> How to create own distro based on Debian/Ubuntu?
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2454 [18:05:53] <mtn> Argo456: use google ;)
2455 [18:06:07] <Argo456> use freenode
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2457 [18:06:31] <cseder> but is stable dated as of now?
2458 [18:06:35] <jelly> Argo456: it depends. How much experience do you have with distro internals?
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2460 [18:06:55] <mtn> cseder: yes, it is at the end of its cycle. the new stable is near
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2462 [18:07:05] <Argo456> just how to?
2463 [18:07:12] <jelly> cseder: what currently goes for stable, has, with some exceptions, versions of software from November 2014 or so
2464 [18:07:25] <cseder> where can I track these "cycles"?
2465 [18:07:36] <jelly> !release history
2466 [18:07:36] <dpkg> Debian releases are named after "Toy Story" characters. Buzz(1.1; 1996-03-14), Rex(1.2; 1996-10-28), Bo(1.3; 1997-05-01), Hamm(2.0; 1998-07-24), Slink(2.1; 1999-03-09), Potato(2.2; 2000-08-15), Woody(3.0; 2002-07-19), Sarge(3.1; 2005-06-06), Etch(4.0; 2007-04-08), Lenny(5.0; 2009-02-14), Squeeze(6.0; 2011-02-06), Wheezy(7; 2013-05-04), Jessie(8; 2015-04-25). The next release will be Stretch. replaced-url
2467 [18:07:38] <OtakuSenpai> Jelly,allegory I did Systemctl disable networkmanager
2468 [18:07:50] <jelly> !freeze
2469 [18:07:50] <dpkg> The 'freeze' is when large changes to testing version of Debian are stopped for few months. During this period, no new package uploads are made except to fix critical bugs or to provide documentation updates. During the freeze, bugs are squashed to 'stabilize' the release to make the new 'stable'. Stretch started to freeze in Nov 2016 and entered full freeze on 5 Feb 2017. Also ask me about <slushy>, <stretch freeze>.
2470 [18:08:08] <OtakuSenpai> What do I do now??
2471 [18:08:19] <crazyjoey9972> jelly: What are the odds if I do that? Will they respond?
2472 [18:08:19] <jelly> cseder: see also: /msg dpkg rc bugs, /msg dpkg jessie freeze, and similar
2473 [18:08:27] <Argo456> How to create own distro based on Debian/Ubuntu?
2474 [18:08:29] <jelly> crazyjoey9972: I honestly have no idea
2475 [18:08:35] <jelly> Argo456: it depends. How much experience do you have with distro internals?
2476 [18:08:48] <Argo456> midle
2477 [18:08:54] <cseder> Argo456 you won't get the required knowledge to do this on irc
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2479 [18:09:01] <jelly> Argo456: do you know how deb source and binary packages work?
2480 [18:09:18] <jelly> Argo456: how repos work, could you make one from stratch?
2481 [18:09:19] <OtakuSenpai> Welp
2482 [18:09:23] <Argo456> how to create own distro?
2483 [18:09:48] <OtakuSenpai> LFS
2484 [18:09:53] <OtakuSenpai> One word
2485 [18:10:03] <Lowl3v3l> OtakuSenpai: well actually its three words xD
2486 [18:10:11] <Argo456> not be idiot
2487 [18:10:13] <jelly> to make an apple pie from scratch...
2488 [18:10:14] <OtakuSenpai> :D
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2490 [18:10:38] <Argo456> based on debian i said
2491 [18:10:40] <OtakuSenpai> Jelly help me pls
2492 [18:10:52] <jelly> Argo456: it's a lot of work. why do you need your own distro? Maybe making a blend is enough?
2493 [18:10:55] <jelly> !blend
2494 [18:10:55] <dpkg> A Debian Pure Blend (formerly Custom Debian Distribution) is a subset of Debian configured to support a particular target group out-of-the-box. Not to be confused with distributions <based on Debian>. replaced-url
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2496 [18:11:04] <prussian> or netinstall
2497 [18:11:06] <jelly> !custom d-i
2498 [18:11:06] <dpkg> To create customized Debian <netinst> images, see replaced-url
2499 [18:11:10] <Lowl3v3l> Argo456: read lfs nonetheless, its the big starting point.
2500 [18:11:25] <jelly> Argo456: ^^ read those. Be more specific with your goal.
2501 [18:11:29] <crazyjoey9972> jelly: okay. I know Ubuntu is based off Debian.....and they have access to Kodi 17.3 Can Debian use Ubuntu's latest version of Kodi?
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2503 [18:11:43] <prussian> in all fairness, you can just debootstrap and just do your own thing. that's what I do most times
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2505 [18:11:51] <jelly> crazyjoey9972: debian's policies won't allow for that
2506 [18:11:55] <Argo456> jelly stop your shit
2507 [18:12:03] <crazyjoey9972> jelly: Okay...understood
2508 [18:12:04] <Argo456> stop post this
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2510 [18:12:13] <Argo456> no stupid links
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2514 [18:12:22] <neglesaks> go to the linux mint channel and ask, they have expertise in this field
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2516 [18:12:23] <jelly> no stupid questions.
2517 [18:12:31] <cronicx> hey #debian, can someone tell me how to use wget command in DEBIAN/preinst file? :D is that possible? i have to download & dpkg -i the python3-msgpack for debian 8 :/
2518 [18:12:31] <OtakuSenpai> Ok
2519 [18:12:47] <OtakuSenpai> Can you help me now??
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2522 [18:12:55] <crazyjoey9972> jelly: thanks for your help
2523 [18:13:01] <Lowl3v3l> crazyjoey9972: in sid with nonfree repos kodi is 17.1
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2526 [18:13:10] <prussian> pastebin your ip addr show, probably ip route show too
2527 [18:13:13] <prussian> OtakuSenpai: ^
2528 [18:13:23] <prussian> do you evne have a configured interface?
2529 [18:13:24] <crazyjoey9972> Lowl3v3l: yeah, I'm sure it is, but I don't want to install something from another version
2530 [18:13:25] <OtakuSenpai> How
2531 [18:13:27] <prussian> other than loopback>
2532 [18:13:28] <prussian> ?
2533 [18:13:40] <OtakuSenpai> Prussian,resolving.conf?
2534 [18:13:49] <prussian> no. `ip addr show`
2535 [18:13:55] <OtakuSenpai> Ok
2536 [18:13:56] <Lowl3v3l> crazyjoey9972: well if you want bleeding edge versions you need bleeding edge libraries.
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2538 [18:14:02] <crazyjoey9972> I just found out that as long as I'm not using the vector that intiates the vunerability....I"m okay
2539 [18:14:10] <prussian> my guess is you don;t even have an address
2540 [18:14:24] <crazyjoey9972> Lowl3v3l: I agree, but I would like to just stay at stable
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2544 [18:15:04] <Lowl3v3l> crazyjoey9972: you can't have your cake and eat it ;)
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2546 [18:15:16] <prussian> then build it from source yourself. checkinstall is pretty useful for this as well
2547 [18:15:23] <crazyjoey9972> Lowl3v3l: no doubt, but I don't want pie in my face either....LOL
2548 [18:15:34] <jelly> crazyjoey9972: if debian is aware of that vulnerability, if there's a CVE number assigned, they'll get to patching it up for sid and stretch. Backports do not have a promise of patching security issues promptly, but if you ask nicely it might happen (sooner)
2549 [18:15:48] <prussian> if it's a security issue, it will likely get the fix backported
2550 [18:15:52] <crazyjoey9972> jelly: where would I find that information....just to read up on it
2551 [18:15:53] <prussian> if it hasn't already
2552 [18:16:15] <jelly> crazyjoey9972: Kodi people should know if there's a CVE
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2554 [18:16:38] <jelly> when you find the CVE number assigned to that issue, you can look it up in Debian's
2555 [18:16:41] <jelly> !tracker of doom
2556 [18:16:42] <dpkg> The Tracker of Doom is a vulnerability database maintained by the Debian security team, viewable at replaced-url
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2560 [18:18:08] <crazyjoey9972> jelly: okay
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2562 [18:18:35] <_ssl> is it possible to configure sshd to open a dedicated second port from which only a single user can connect?
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2564 [18:18:49] <jelly> _ssl: yes.
2565 [18:18:54] <jelly> it's possible.
2566 [18:19:28] <jelly> make a second ssh service, with a custom config file
2567 [18:19:29] <crazyjoey9972> jelly: another question....staying on a stable version of Debian is okay, right? I'm reading Lowl3v3l's comments again....I'm debating right now whether or not I should upgrade to latest, latest version of Debian....right now, I'm usting Jessie as my desktop at work
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2569 [18:19:37] <crazyjoey9972> jelly: still learning debian as I go
2570 [18:19:51] <jelly> crazyjoey9972: jessie's fine
2571 [18:20:01] <crazyjoey9972> jelly: okay
2572 [18:20:01] <prussian> I use Sid like everywhere. so it's all on you crazyjoey9972
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2574 [18:20:16] <jelly> prussian: but you don't come here asking questions, so that's fine
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2576 [18:20:20] * crazyjoey9972 nods at prussian
2577 [18:20:23] <prussian> lol
2578 [18:20:26] <crazyjoey9972> lol
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2581 [18:21:28] <OtakuSenpai> IP address show replaced-url
2582 [18:21:37] <OtakuSenpai> Prussian^^
2583 [18:21:41] <_ssl> jelly so I have to configure a second sshd instance? I've read that you can just name a second port in the config file, but that doesn't seem to give you enough options on who's able to connect to which
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2585 [18:21:50] <prussian> link is broke?
2586 [18:23:19] <Lowl3v3l> crazyjoey9972: it certainly works. Usually i'd suggest using testing since i consider stable to be a "server system" and a normal desktop usually doesn't need the abi stability it promises. And , if you want to learn and take a hands on approach( which i have good experiences with) then sid is even better, best would be sid from a minimal installation or debootstrap since you'll be learning most things while setting it
2587 [18:23:19] <Lowl3v3l> ( but i warn you , this approach shouldn't be used if you depend on the machine working at all times since you will sometimes have to fix it)
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2594 [18:25:19] <crazyjoey9972> Lowl3v3l: And it's that warning that is making me think twice
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2596 [18:25:32] <jelly> _ssl: which is why I suggested a second instance, yes
2597 [18:25:43] <OtakuSenpai> replaced-url
2598 [18:25:56] <OtakuSenpai> prussian^
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2600 [18:26:13] <_ssl> jelly: ok just wanted to make sure :) any hints on how to set this up? just copy the sshd directory won't cut it I suppose?
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2602 [18:26:33] <crazyjoey9972> Lowl3v3l: a few months ago, I screwed up my Debian....I think the term they called it "frankenstein-ed". I frankenstein-ed my Debian. I was lucky to stabilize my version. Google'ed the instructions...lol
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2605 [18:27:23] <Lowl3v3l> crazyjoey9972: well yeah, noobs do lots of things that aren't so much of a good idea ;) usually if i see a frankendebian i just reinstall it. Way less of a pain in the ass.
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2607 [18:27:39] <Lowl3v3l> god if i have to fix one more debian with "but ubuntu is based on debian ..."
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2610 [18:28:05] <prussian> OtakuSenpai: ip link set up eno1
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2612 [18:28:37] <prussian> then run dhclient
2613 [18:28:38] <Lowl3v3l> you wouldn't believe how many packages break due to canonicals idiotic gtk-patches...
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2616 [18:30:00] <OtakuSenpai> Prussian: Operation not possible due to RF-kill
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2618 [18:30:09] <prussian> well gee
2619 [18:30:16] <prussian> is it a wireless interface? lol?
2620 [18:30:22] <OtakuSenpai> Wired
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2627 [18:31:50] <OtakuSenpai> So
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2630 [18:33:06] <crazyjoey9972> Lowl3v3l: But isn't that true what you said....that Ubuntu is based off Debian?
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2634 [18:34:42] <Lowl3v3l> crazyjoey9972: yeah. But that doesn't mean you can freely mix the repos :)
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2638 [18:35:22] <crazyjoey9972> Lowl3v3l: :)
2639 [18:35:23] <Lowl3v3l> crazyjoey9972: its not based of debian in the sense blackarch is based off arch ( it is essentially just an additional repository) or grml is based off of debian
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2643 [18:36:14] <OtakuSenpai> Any help
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2651 [18:36:32] <Lowl3v3l> crazyjoey9972: you can, without any problems, turn your arch to blackarch and back ( okay the second one might be a lot of manually unselecting packages), same goes for debian and grml .
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2658 [18:36:52] <jelly> _ssl: I'd probably just make a second copy of sshd_config, ssh.service and /etc/default/ssh
2659 [18:37:05] <jhutchins_wk> OtakuSenpai: Did you read replaced-url
2660 [18:37:13] <OtakuSenpai> Yes
2661 [18:37:34] <_ssl> jelly: thank you, I'll try and see if I can do it without breaking anything :D
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2669 [18:38:46] <jhutchins_wk> OtakuSenpai: ifconfig is a privileged program, either /sbin/ifconfig or become root (su -).
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2673 [18:39:08] <jhutchins_wk> OtakuSenpai: In fact, if you're not doing any of these console commands as root that would be why they're not working.
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2675 [18:39:31] <OtakuSenpai> Hmm
2676 [18:39:39] <jhutchins_wk> OtakuSenpai: It doesn't take a whole minute to do the manual configuration process from scratch.
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2680 [18:41:30] <knstn> How well does Debian responds in a KVM vm ? I would like to test it, and decide if i'm gonna transit from fedora/rhel to debian ?
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2682 [18:41:54] <jhutchins_wk> knstn: In vbox it loads in seconds.
2683 [18:41:54] <Lowl3v3l> crazyjoey9972: but in general i'd encourage you to try doing a minimal install of stretch or sid. Its the best way to learn to get your hands dirty^^
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2685 [18:42:10] <jhutchins_wk> knstn: Shuts down in less than 2.
2686 [18:42:19] <Lowl3v3l> knstn: this depends way more on the DE and stuff than on the distribution.
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2689 [18:42:42] <crazyjoey9972> Lowl3v3l: thanks for the advice.....I may do that in a VM
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2691 [18:43:01] <jhutchins_wk> knstn: Also depends on what you're doing with it.
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2700 [18:45:02] <knstn> jhutchins_wk: i'm currently on a fedora host, a kvm rhel 7.3 dev server and i would like to have a debian vm too. i'm studying for lpca
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2728 [18:59:26] <JJScrawls> Anyone know if there is a way to search for programs in Mate and XFCE like there is in Cinnamon and/or Gnome? Super key brings up a search bar type of thing?
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2731 [19:01:21] <JJScrawls> I've done some searching and I haven't really seen anything that fits the criteria
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2733 [19:01:22] <jelly> JJScrawls: Alt-F2 maybe?
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2735 [19:02:10] <JJScrawls> hm I'll have to try it
2736 [19:02:35] <JJScrawls> I'm about to move to Mate or XFCE, I don't like Gnome a whole lot tbh
2737 [19:02:41] <jelly> kde's krunner has search, I don't remember offhand whether xfce's application finder does
2738 [19:02:43] <rubidious> Hello. Does anyone in here use packer? There is a bug in the latest version on debian (replaced-url
2739 [19:03:06] <JJScrawls> it's cool at first but it gets old
2740 [19:03:25] <JJScrawls> trying to find a replacement because I do love the search funchtion
2741 [19:03:31] <JJScrawls> function*
2742 [19:04:08] <jhutchins_wk> Alt-F2 does work in xfce4.
2743 [19:04:27] <OtakuSenpai> Guys,for a moment ping worked
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2745 [19:05:00] <OtakuSenpai> But when I restarted the laptop it stopped working
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2765 [19:12:56] <jhutchins_wk> OtakuSenpai: Are you using the interfaces file or are you trying to use some GUI tool?
2766 [19:13:22] <OtakuSenpai> Interfaces
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2768 [19:13:33] <OtakuSenpai> Help me!!!
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2772 [19:13:46] <jhutchins_wk> OtakuSenpai: DHCP?
2773 [19:14:03] <OtakuSenpai> Yes
2774 [19:14:09] <OtakuSenpai> All of it
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2778 [19:15:15] <jhutchins_wk> As root, open /etc/network/interfaces (might be a new file.
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2782 [19:15:43] <jhutchins_wk> OtakuSenpai: Is this a laptop?
2783 [19:16:15] <crazyjoey9972> !tracker
2784 [19:16:16] <OtakuSenpai> Yes
2785 [19:16:22] <crazyjoey9972> !tracker of doom
2786 [19:16:23] <dpkg> The Tracker of Doom is a vulnerability database maintained by the Debian security team, viewable at replaced-url
2787 [19:16:34] <jhutchins_wk> OtakuSenpai: Ok. DO you have the file open?
2788 [19:16:38] <crazyjoey9972> cve lookup CVE-2017-8314
2789 [19:16:48] <OtakuSenpai> Which file?
2790 [19:17:03] <jhutchins_wk> OtakuSenpai: /etc/network/interfaces
2791 [19:17:08] <missmbob> jhutchins_wk: fyi he was using nm maybe 3 hours ago. they could be fighting
2792 [19:17:24] <jhutchins_wk> missmbob: We'll get there.
2793 [19:17:28] <OtakuSenpai> I disabled it
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2795 [19:17:32] <OtakuSenpai> Nm
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2797 [19:18:01] <jhutchins_wk> OtakuSenpai: Let me know when you're ready to edit the file.
2798 [19:18:07] <OtakuSenpai> Yes
2799 [19:18:15] <greycat> Hmm, judd doesn't have a DSA/CVE interface?
2800 [19:18:16] <OtakuSenpai> Its opend
2801 [19:18:36] <jhutchins_wk> Enter the following lines:
2802 [19:18:40] <OtakuSenpai> Ok
2803 [19:18:42] <jhutchins_wk> auto eth0 allow-hotplug eth0 iface eth0 inet dhcp
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2805 [19:18:56] <jhutchins_wk> OtakuSenpai: That's three lines, sorry.
2806 [19:19:25] <jhutchins_wk> Do you have/want IPV6?
2807 [19:19:41] <OtakuSenpai> No
2808 [19:20:03] <jhutchins_wk> Ok, save the file.
2809 [19:20:09] <OtakuSenpai> Done
2810 [19:20:31] <jhutchins_wk> as root, /etc/init.d/networking restart
2811 [19:20:49] <jhutchins_wk> (That's deprecated but it will do the job.)
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2813 [19:21:32] <OtakuSenpai> It failed
2814 [19:21:35] <nine_milli> is debian a TempleOS distro?
2815 [19:21:40] <jhutchins_wk> WHat message?
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2818 [19:22:08] <OtakuSenpai> Checking journalctl
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2820 [19:22:48] <prussian> it's rfkilled
2821 [19:22:52] <prussian> you need to fix that
2822 [19:23:00] <prussian> i don't know if it's hardware rfkill or not
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2824 [19:23:28] <prussian> I didn;t even know you could rfkill a wired connection
2825 [19:23:47] <jhutchins_wk> prussian: you usually can't. networking should restart it anyway.
2826 [19:24:01] <prussian> well he can't even ip link set up eno1
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2828 [19:24:12] <prussian> he said it gave him an rfkill error
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2831 [19:24:29] <prussian> setting up ifup isn't going to help I don't think
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2834 [19:25:12] <jhutchins_wk> OtakuSenpai: Is it blocked in rfkill?
2835 [19:25:36] <OtakuSenpai> replaced-url
2836 [19:25:44] <prussian> i'd run rfkill list and then rfkill unblock <the number>
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2838 [19:26:02] <prussian> ifconfig is deprecated
2839 [19:26:04] <OtakuSenpai> So
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2842 [19:26:20] <prussian> try rfkill list
2843 [19:26:25] <OtakuSenpai> Ok
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2847 [19:26:59] <prussian> brb
2848 [19:27:07] <jhutchins_wk> prussian: ifconfig still works though. -a to show down interfaces.
2849 [19:27:18] <missmbob> if you use the full path
2850 [19:27:18] <xp> Is Atom in the Debian repository?
2851 [19:27:37] <OtakuSenpai> I tried rfkill list
2852 [19:27:43] <jhutchins_wk> OtakuSenpai: I'm pretty sure I know what we missed.
2853 [19:27:47] <jhutchins_wk> OtakuSenpai: WHat did it say?
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2855 [19:28:08] <OtakuSenpai> Two listings
2856 [19:28:34] <OtakuSenpai> One of wireless lan n other bluetooth
2857 [19:29:19] <jhutchins_wk> OtakuSenpai: Ok, it's not blocked then.
2858 [19:29:28] <jhutchins_wk> Open the interfaces file again please.
2859 [19:29:29] <OtakuSenpai> Ok
2860 [19:29:42] <OtakuSenpai> Done
2861 [19:29:52] <uniTosch> xp: no, but upstream provides a deb that works just fine.
2862 [19:30:01] <jhutchins_wk> Change eth0 to eno1
2863 [19:30:27] <jhutchins_wk> Save, restart networking again (/etc/init.d/networking restart)
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2865 [19:30:35] <xp> uniTosch: Just out of curioity: why not?
2866 [19:30:44] <OtakuSenpai> Ok
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2868 [19:31:18] <OtakuSenpai> Jhutchins should I do for those below dhcp conf too??
2869 [19:31:38] <jhutchins_wk> Yes, change all eth0 to eno1
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2871 [19:31:43] <OtakuSenpai> Ok
2872 [19:32:15] <jhutchins_wk> OtakuSenpai: Is this stretch?
2873 [19:32:34] <jelly> this is dog
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2876 [19:33:14] <OtakuSenpai> Jhutchins... Ahm yes
2877 [19:33:44] <uniTosch> xp: because it depends on grunt, which is only recently in debian and electron, which is a work in progress replaced-url
2878 [19:33:45] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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2881 [19:34:39] <jhutchins_wk> OtakuSenpai: Did networking restart correctly? I get [ ok ] Restarting networking (via systemctl): networking.service.
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2885 [19:36:34] <OtakuSenpai> Jhutchins, I'm posting pic of Systemctl status networking.service
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2894 [19:38:21] <OtakuSenpai> Jhutchins replaced-url
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2896 [19:40:05] <jhutchins_wk> OtakuSenpai: Interesting. You almost have a network. There may be an error in the interfaces file.
2897 [19:40:24] <jhutchins_wk> OtakuSenpai: I know it's deprecated, but please post the output of /sbin/ifconfig
2898 [19:40:33] <OtakuSenpai> Ok
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2903 [19:42:09] <OtakuSenpai> replaced-url
2904 [19:42:18] <OtakuSenpai> Jhutchins^
2905 [19:42:42] <jhutchins_wk> OtakuSenpai: ping 8.8.8.8
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2912 [19:43:06] <OtakuSenpai> 😂😂
2913 [19:43:17] <jhutchins_wk> OtakuSenpai: ping google.com?
2914 [19:43:18] <xp> uniTosch: Thanks for the clarification
2915 [19:43:36] <uniTosch> np ^^
2916 [19:44:43] <OtakuSenpai> replaced-url
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2918 [19:44:55] <OtakuSenpai> Jhutchins it worked
2919 [19:45:38] <OtakuSenpai> But will it stay after a reboot??
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2921 [19:46:07] <bryceml> Does anyone know if debian supports live kernel upgrades yet?
2922 [19:46:11] <OtakuSenpai> Earlier it worked for sometime but remained the same after a reboot
2923 [19:46:25] <jhutchins_wk> We;re not quite done testing, did you reach google.com?
2924 [19:46:31] <OtakuSenpai> Yes
2925 [19:47:11] <jhutchins_wk> Ok, I would like to see the interfaces file at paste.debian.net (actual content, not an image).
2926 [19:47:19] <OtakuSenpai> Ok
2927 [19:47:35] <jhutchins_wk> OtakuSenpai: There is a pastebinit command, but I don't think it's installed by default.
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2929 [19:47:54] <jhutchins_wk> Nope.
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2932 [19:48:55] <OtakuSenpai> paste.debian.net/943546
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2934 [19:49:22] <OtakuSenpai> I have it installed ;)
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2938 [19:50:03] <jhutchins_wk> Do you see that you have configured the same interface twice?
2939 [19:50:13] <OtakuSenpai> Where?
2940 [19:50:21] <jhutchins_wk> Either comment out the 3 dhcp lines, or comment out the static lines.
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2944 [19:50:58] <jhutchins_wk> OtakuSenpai: If you do static, you will have to set resolv.conf manually.
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2946 [19:51:30] <OtakuSenpai> Ok
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2949 [19:52:37] <OtakuSenpai> Jhutchins will it stay after I restart the laptop??
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2957 [19:55:22] <OtakuSenpai> I did comment the static part of the conf
2958 [19:55:28] <cusco> is there a reason for package iscsitarget not being in stretch?
2959 [19:55:37] <jhutchins_wk> OtakuSenpai: I'm not completely sure, the static address appears to work. I think if you rebooted without changing anything you'd get the current state (working but showing errors).
2960 [19:55:56] <jhutchins_wk> OtakuSenpai: Ok then, restart networking and see if you get an address and resolv.conf
2961 [19:56:08] <OtakuSenpai> Ok
2962 [19:56:25] <OtakuSenpai> Same result
2963 [19:56:40] <jhutchins_wk> OtakuSenpai: The only time you really need to reboot Linux is to either update the kernel or test the boot process.
2964 [19:56:49] <OtakuSenpai> It's showing errors
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2966 [19:57:05] <jhutchins_wk> OtakuSenpai: Almost everything else can be done manually (although sometimes reboot's easier).
2967 [19:57:14] <OtakuSenpai> Hmm
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2970 [19:57:24] <jhutchins_wk> OtakuSenpai: What errors?
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2972 [19:57:48] <e990> Hello!
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2975 [19:58:10] <OtakuSenpai> Same errors
2976 [19:58:12] <rocketmagnet> hi all, i've troubles with debian 8.8... after the first startup and reboot my desktop icons and pannels disappear :(this time its on the second computer the same as on the last one)... whats going on ??
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2982 [20:00:27] <jhutchins_wk> OtakuSenpai: "file exists", etc?
2983 [20:01:35] <jhutchins_wk> OtakuSenpai: You commented the lines below 14?
2984 [20:02:00] <jhutchins_wk> all of them?
2985 [20:02:13] <OtakuSenpai> After auto eno1
2986 [20:02:18] <OtakuSenpai> 2nd one
2987 [20:02:31] <OtakuSenpai> Just the static part
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2992 [20:04:16] <jhutchins_wk> All of those lines should be commented after iface eno1 inet dhcp
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2994 [20:04:36] <OtakuSenpai> Ok
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2996 [20:04:56] <jhutchins_wk> then restart networking, then check your address, then check your dns (ping google.com).
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3000 [20:05:42] <OtakuSenpai> Restart worked now
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3003 [20:06:51] <zuiss1> is anyone running the latest stable firefox in jessie?
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3005 [20:07:18] <zuiss1> mozilla.debian.org has ESR now. used to be stable
3006 [20:07:28] <jhutchins_wk> Woo!
3007 [20:07:34] <missmbob> zuiss1: read what the page says
3008 [20:07:50] <jhutchins_wk> OtakuSenpai: I think we can have pretty good confidence that networking will survive a restart.
3009 [20:08:07] <OtakuSenpai> Thnx jhutchins_wk :D
3010 [20:08:16] <OtakuSenpai> Ok will try
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3012 [20:09:02] <jhutchins_wk> OtakuSenpai: If you still want to override your ISP DNS servers, /msg dpkg override dns
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3017 [20:09:48] <OtakuSenpai> Ok
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3021 [20:09:57] <cseder> so, now that 9 is so close to being stable, this means that 'testing' should now be pretty stable, yes?
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3023 [20:10:14] <jelly> cseder: it's stable but it's not stable yet
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3025 [20:10:26] <mutante> yes, except security updates may not be available in a timely manner
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3027 [20:10:34] <greycat> Good enough for desktops.
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3029 [20:10:37] <jelly> and there are some issues remaining
3030 [20:10:48] <jelly> !rc bugs
3031 [20:10:48] <dpkg> Release-Critical bugs are Debian bugs with critical, grave or serious severities, preventing the next release of Debian. See the graph at replaced-url
3032 [20:11:13] <cseder> right, well, I'll take my chances. It's just a VM after all...
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3036 [20:13:46] <mutante> wonders if the fact that it's virtual changes anything, but gets the comment
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3038 [20:14:18] <greycat> From context, I'm guessing the implication is "if it breaks I'll just reinstall jessie quickly"
3039 [20:14:33] <cseder> mutante easier to reconsider
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3043 [20:15:16] <OtakuSenpai> Ill lookgin from my laptop now
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3052 [20:16:26] <mutante> cseder: got it. for me the biggest change was PHP7 instead of PHP5.. if you happen to use that
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3054 [20:16:45] <greycat> That's fair.
3055 [20:16:54] <cseder> mutante no, I'm more of a Python/Django man
3056 [20:17:10] <greycat> For some desktop users, the change to how graphics drivers work may be significant.
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3058 [20:17:25] <jhutchins_wk> cseder: Are you the one making all the trouble on the backports list?
3059 [20:17:47] <cseder> jhutchins_wk not that I'm aware! ;)
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3062 [20:18:55] <jhutchins_wk> cseder: I gather they're discussing the challenges of backporting something that has lots of hooks into other packages which then need to be recompiled.
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3064 [20:19:32] <Hyp3ri0n> jhutchins_wk: again,thnx very much
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3066 [20:20:43] <jhutchins_wk> OtakuSenpai: It was a pleasure to walk through a systematic troubleshooting process after having sat through two official "Incidents" where people were ggrasping at straws and jumping in different directions.
3067 [20:21:02] <OtakuSenpai> :)
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3079 [20:29:38] <cseder> greycat so has 9 implemented Wayland?
3080 [20:29:55] <greycat> I don't really understand what Wayland is or how it works. I'm not the person to ask.
3081 [20:29:55] <jhutchins_wk> !wayland
3082 [20:29:56] <dpkg> Wayland is a display server protocol and implementation library, intended as a simpler replacement for the X Window System. Ask me about <weston>. replaced-url
3083 [20:30:36] <greycat> I can tell you that "startx" doesn't do anything that breaks my fvwm/rxvt-unicode/firefox-esr/google-chrome setup.
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3086 [20:32:10] <greycat> (But on Intel it now uses the modeset driver instead of the intel driver.)
3087 [20:32:24] <jhutchins_wk> cseder: I don't think it's considered adequately developed for stable.
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3089 [20:32:45] <jhutchins_wk> cseder: Fedora's the only major distro that uses it, and it has xorg for fallback because it doesn't always work.
3090 [20:32:58] <greycat> jhutchins_wk: didn't stop 'em from rolling out systemd </flamewar>
3091 [20:33:36] <cseder> jhutchins_wk yeah, the systemd is a thorn in the but for many
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3093 [20:33:44] <cseder> but/butt
3094 [20:34:12] <jhutchins_wk> We should appreciate when they do something right then.
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3098 [20:35:26] <jhutchins_wk> I think the main difference is that the main reason for wayland is that it's not xorg, and there's really nothing wrong with xorg.
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3102 [20:36:01] <jhutchins_wk> If we get to the point where wayland has functionality that xorg doesn't things may change.
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3108 [20:38:48] <jelly> uh... there's lots of things wrong with xorg, it's just obscure enough that noone's exploiting it in the wild
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3112 [20:40:39] <alesan> replaced-url
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3114 [20:40:56] <alesan> Now I removed the two -dev packages and also removed build-essential
3115 [20:41:04] <alesan> see log at replaced-url
3116 [20:41:20] <greycat> ... but what's the question?
3117 [20:41:32] <alesan> why it only removes the build-essential metapackage and not the whole list of packages, perl, g++, etc etc?
3118 [20:41:49] <alesan> I did apt-get autoremove before you ask
3119 [20:41:52] <greycat> They'll be marked for autoremove.
3120 [20:41:55] <greycat> ...
3121 [20:42:00] <alesan> and it did not autoremove any package
3122 [20:42:08] <alesan> and also not make any entry in the log
3123 [20:42:15] <greycat> I hate autoremove with a flaming burning fiery passion, so I'm out.
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3125 [20:42:56] <Spec> greycat: so it's not just me
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3127 [20:43:05] <alesan> OK but autoremove or not, why dependencies work well when installing (fortunately) but upon removal, dependancies are not removed
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3130 [20:43:29] <alesan> it would see the apt database would have all the info to resolve the unneeded dependancies
3131 [20:43:32] <jhutchins_wk> alesan: I would say that's just how it works some times.
3132 [20:43:51] <alesan> jhutchins_wk, well it seems not nominal to me
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3134 [20:44:10] <alesan> this is an older debian - called Wheezy I believe
3135 [20:44:15] <alesan> so maybenow things are fixed
3136 [20:44:16] <jhutchins_wk> alesan: For actual dependencies it usually works pretty well, metapackages are less reliable.
3137 [20:44:56] <jhutchins_wk> alesan: I think it's because you end up with a web of multiple dependencies besides just the metapackage dependencies.
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3139 [20:45:35] <alesan> well
3140 [20:45:46] <alesan> maybe
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3142 [20:45:52] <jelly> alesan: apt does not track which particular package pulled a dependency in.
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3145 [20:46:06] <greycat> My primary problem with autoremove is, once a thing is installed, Debian has no way of knowing that something OUTSIDE of the packaging system is relying on it.
3146 [20:46:08] <alesan> jelly but it could
3147 [20:46:14] <jelly> alesan: patches welcome
3148 [20:46:34] <greycat> The notion that you can "safely autoremove this shared lib" is ludicrous if the sysadmin has installed something that uses it.
3149 [20:46:50] <alesan> jelly, yeah OK but that is kind of a poor answer
3150 [20:47:20] <alesan> jelly, I am grateful to the debian community etc etc but it's unlikely *I* would be able to fix this as an individual
3151 [20:47:21] <jelly> alesan: no, it's exactly the right answer when all the distro is basically made by volunteers
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3153 [20:48:13] <jelly> you want a feature added? Do it, or sponsor someone to do it, or file a wishlist bug report and quietly hope
3154 [20:48:49] <greycat> (After first verifying that it still happens in the current stable release, or possibly in the current unstable package.)
3155 [20:48:54] <alesan> jelly, not really. I just wanted to discuss this behaviour on this unofficial IRC channel
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3157 [20:49:33] <alesan> because as of last night, when I explained a SIMILAR problem, I was assuread that apt-get autoremove would have removed all packages (it was with somebody else)
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3161 [20:49:46] <alesan> so this wanted to be more of a follow-up discussion
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3164 [20:50:09] <alesan> in fact let me check who were the individuals I was talking to last night
3165 [20:50:10] <jelly> and it would, as long as nothing else Depended or Recommended them
3166 [20:50:15] <greycat> It tells you what packages it thinks are marked for autoermoval. I don't know why your particular set of hated-pkgs wasn't on that list.
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3171 [20:51:54] <alesan> apt-get remove bzip2 libalgorithm-diff-perl fakeroot libclass-isa-perl libswitch-perl libfile-fcntllock-perl g++-4.6 perl libalgorithm-diff-xs-perl manpages-dev libc-dev-bin libgomp1 g++ linux-libc-dev gcc-4.6 libdpkg-perl libgdbm3 gcc libalgorithm-merge-perl manpages libtimedate-perl dpkg-dev perl-modules libc6-dev patch libstdc++6-4.6-dev binutils make
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3173 [20:52:08] <alesan> this works if given by hand and will remove the packages originally installed by build-essential
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3175 [20:52:42] <jelly> alesan: instead of removing, mark them as autoinstalled first, see what autoclean does after that
3176 [20:52:55] <greycat> s/autoclean/autoremove/
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3179 [20:52:56] <jelly> apt-mark auto, or aptitude markauto
3180 [20:52:57] <alesan> mark them as autoinstalled?
3181 [20:53:09] <jelly> right, thanks
3182 [20:53:12] <alesan> I did not know that feature
3183 [20:53:39] <alesan> why won't apt-get mark them as autoinstalled to begin with? they are definitely auto installed as I only requested build-essential to be installed
3184 [20:53:49] <alesan> and... too late I already gave the command :)
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3186 [20:54:00] <greycat> wheezy binutils has a hell of a set of reverse depends
3187 [20:54:11] <jelly> alesan: you didn't have "perl" installed before build-essential?
3188 [20:54:22] <jelly> color me skeptical
3189 [20:54:28] <alesan> jelly, no why? this is an armel installation
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3191 [20:54:40] <alesan> "disk" space on the NAND is precious
3192 [20:55:06] <jelly> ah, perl-base is the Essential one
3193 [20:55:08] <alesan> if you see the log I posted earlier you'll see perl is installed by build-essential
3194 [20:55:23] <alesan> that might be true, I'm not an expert :)
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3196 [20:56:23] <jelly> alesan: which apt version is this?
3197 [20:56:26] <alesan> now, I perforemed apt-get clean, then apt-get remove <BIGLISTPFPACKAGES>, df -h says I have 51MB free. I perform again apt-get clean (keep in mind I did not install anything new) and df -h says 75MB free
3198 [20:56:41] <alesan> why apt-get remove generates 24MB of ... something?
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3200 [20:57:01] <alesan> apt-get -v
3201 [20:57:01] <alesan> apt 0.9.2 for armel compiled on Apr 20 2012 13:42:33
3202 [20:57:07] <jelly> ,v apt
3203 [20:57:08] <judd> Package: apt on amd64 -- wheezy-security: 0.9.7.9+deb7u6; wheezy: 0.9.7.9+deb7u7; jessie-security: 1.0.9.8.4; jessie: 1.0.9.8.4; stretch: 1.4.1; sid: 1.4.4
3204 [20:57:10] <greycat> Also apparently Reverse Depends includes at least "Suggests" because python2.7 Suggests: binutils but python2.7,binutils is listed in the Reverse Depends
3205 [20:57:18] <jelly> alesan: that's older than wheezy
3206 [20:57:27] <alesan> jelly, interesting
3207 [20:57:33] <jhutchins_wk> alesan: What a lot of people do to deal with this is build in a chroot, which can then be removed/destoyed entirely.
3208 [20:57:49] <jelly> alesan: try a debian release that's not ancient
3209 [20:58:02] <jhutchins_wk> alesan: That's also a solution to having to build on a production server, which shouldn't end up with build tools on it.
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3211 [20:58:15] <greycat> squeeze has apt version 0.8.10.3+squeeze7 so he is somewhere in between squeeze and wheezy
3212 [20:58:25] <jelly> yeah, it's weird
3213 [20:58:55] <jhutchins_wk> Alternate architectures often have different current versions.
3214 [20:59:03] <jelly> jhutchins_wk: no they don't
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3216 [20:59:19] <jhutchins_wk> jelly: I've seen it.
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3218 [20:59:20] <jelly> not for core packages, not in debian
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3220 [20:59:32] <jhutchins_wk> jelly: Perhaps.
3221 [20:59:41] <alesan> well
3222 [20:59:47] <alesan> OK
3223 [20:59:54] <jhutchins_wk> Have a nice weekend all.
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3225 [21:00:12] <alesan> but why apt-get remove generates 24MB of data? that has to be cleaned by apt-get clean ?
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3227 [21:00:26] <alesan> is this expected? or is it a bug due to the older version?
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3230 [21:00:44] <greycat> ... you mean config files that you didn't remove because you forgot --purge?
3231 [21:00:51] <greycat> ... you mean .deb files in /var/cache/apt/archives?
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3233 [21:01:31] <jelly> alesan: who knows? You have an old sid or testing build, bits of emdebian, working on some unknown FTL and filesystem type
3234 [21:01:51] <greycat> I he means vcaa, it's completely normal.
3235 [21:02:26] <jelly> alesan: which kernel is this? Which filesystem? How do you know the flash/filesystem doesn't clean up blocks asynchronously?
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3239 [21:02:59] <jelly> greycat: did say something like "apt-get clean; remove; df; apt-get clean again; df"
3240 [21:03:09] <alesan> jelly, the NAND cleanup is transparent to df -h
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3243 [21:03:35] <jelly> alesan: which kernel? which fs type? can we trust you when you say that?
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3246 [21:04:07] <alesan> kernel is "mine". This SoC was developed in-house, along with the NAND controller :)
3247 [21:04:19] <alesan> OK thanks I think we need to move on and use something more modern
3248 [21:04:26] <alesan> (hardware included)
3249 [21:04:27] <alesan> thanks!
3250 [21:04:34] <jelly> ok, let's assume you know how your stack works
3251 [21:04:36] <jelly> :-)
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3254 [21:05:29] <jelly> alesan: what does "your" kernel's `uname -a` say btw and which fs type do you use?
3255 [21:05:37] <greycat> It's a seeeeecret
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3259 [21:06:49] <jelly> armel isn't _that_ interesting for corporate espionage
3260 [21:06:49] <alesan> FS is UBIFS
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3263 [21:07:16] <alesan> jelly, this is a couple of Cortex A9 but we have to use armel for some legacy app
3264 [21:07:38] <alesan> Linux N-20062830 3.5.0-lsp-3.3.1 #10 SMP Fri May 26 00:04:22 CEST 2017 armv7l GNU/Linux
3265 [21:07:44] <alesan> if you are really interested
3266 [21:07:45] <jelly> Two major differences between UBIFS and JFFS2 are that UBIFS supports write caching,[5] and UBIFS errs on the pessimistic side of free space calculation.[6]
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3269 [21:07:57] <jelly> that's right from the wikipedia page
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3273 [21:08:22] <alesan> right. but the disk space is freed up by apt-get clean, notihng else. 24MB
3274 [21:08:48] <alesan> /var/lib/apt/lists contains 50MB of data; is this nominal/expected?
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3276 [21:08:50] <jelly> are you 100% sure it's cleaned and reported right away?
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3278 [21:08:51] <greycat> No, all you know is that the two df outputs differed by 24 MB between time points T1 and T2.
3279 [21:08:57] <jelly> I'm not
3280 [21:09:04] <jelly> > UBIFS errs on the pessimistic side of free space calculation.[6]
3281 [21:09:12] <jelly> and built right on top of MTD
3282 [21:09:34] <greycat> 51592 /var/lib/apt/lists
3283 [21:09:39] <greycat> Yeah, that sounds normal for wheezy.
3284 [21:09:46] <alesan> OK
3285 [21:10:07] <alesan> thanks greycat
3286 [21:10:49] <greycat> I could see a case for manually rm'ing that after each apt-get update/upgrade cycle.
3287 [21:11:22] <alesan> are those files "removable"?
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3289 [21:11:25] <jelly> or keeping it on ramdisk
3290 [21:11:30] <alesan> meaning apt might be able to re-create them?
3291 [21:11:39] <greycat> Yes, they are re-created when you do apt-get update.
3292 [21:11:41] <jelly> alesan: you can rm /var/lib/dpkg/lists/*.* safely
3293 [21:11:46] <alesan> I thought it'd break apt
3294 [21:11:49] <alesan> oh
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3296 [21:11:58] <alesan> any reason it is not done by apt-get clean ?
3297 [21:11:58] <jelly> don't remove the subdir or that one file named "lock"
3298 [21:12:00] <greycat> it'll break apt until the next apt-get update
3299 [21:12:14] <alesan> greycat, yeah that is acceptable
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3302 [21:12:39] <jelly> but anything with a dot in its name may go
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3355 [21:36:06] <mniip> is there a tool that lets you explore a debian mirror?
3356 [21:36:48] <greycat> apt-cache search
3357 [21:37:29] <mniip> I don't have a machine with a matching architecture
3358 [21:37:37] <koollman> http ? :)
3359 [21:37:44] <koollman> what are you trying to explore ?
3360 [21:37:50] <mniip> I'm looking at the http directory listings yes
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3362 [21:38:13] <mniip> but I hoped there'd be a tool similar to apt-cache/dpkg that let me explore a mirror without "using" it
3363 [21:38:31] <koollman> replaced-url
3364 [21:38:52] <mniip> it's not
3365 [21:39:01] <koollman> I wonder if making a chroot and pointing it to the 'wrong' architecture would work or if it's too deeply hardcoded
3366 [21:39:27] <koollman> you can probably get the description list, at the minimum
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3368 [21:40:35] <koollman> I'm trying to remember which files are downloaded/analyzed for that
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3374 [21:42:32] <koollman> mniip: for example, here's the full list for jessie-backports: replaced-url
3375 [21:43:04] <mniip> aha
3376 [21:43:09] <koollman> mniip: and iirc, the description is in replaced-url
3377 [21:43:24] <koollman> (cannot test right now, slow internet)
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3381 [21:43:47] <koollman> but basically, try to see what apt-get downloads for an update -> that's the package list and description :)
3382 [21:43:49] <hanshenrik> when i hold down "shift", press "`" (once, it requires 2 keypresses to actually print the character), and then press backspace, i get a hardware beep. any idea why?
3383 [21:43:50] <hanshenrik> it happens both on Arch Linux with xorg/sddm/kwin/kde and Debian 9 with xorg/lightdm/openbox/XFCE
3384 [21:44:19] <mniip> hanshenrik, ssh?
3385 [21:44:26] <koollman> mniip: and, maybe, you can make a chroot that thinks it is the right architecture, so you can apt-get update inside and use apt-cache.
3386 [21:44:31] <hanshenrik> mniip, nope
3387 [21:44:32] <koollman> (but I am not sure about that)
3388 [21:44:43] <hanshenrik> mniip, leafpad, gedit, libreoffice, etc
3389 [21:44:51] <mniip> ah weird then
3390 [21:45:08] <mniip> koollman, that's cool but I can't run any of the binaries
3391 [21:45:15] <mniip> not sure I could even debootstrap it
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3393 [21:45:21] <mniip> hmm no, I could
3394 [21:45:49] <koollman> mniip: I did not say run it. make a debootstrap, then change the arch. the next packages you install *will* fail. but you don't care ;)
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3396 [21:46:10] <mniip> aha
3397 [21:46:15] <mniip> Contents-arch is the file list, right
3398 [21:46:24] <koollman> I think so yes.
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3406 [21:50:29] <koollman> mniip: consider this: 'deb replaced-url
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3464 [22:31:03] <Aebian> can I force to re-enter a sudo password for specific commands only instead of for everyone?
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3481 [22:44:26] <greycat> Aebian: yes. "username ALL = NOPASSWD: /some/program" or similar will disable the password requirement for that specific user running that specific program.
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3499 [22:54:43] <hanshenrik> ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD: ALL
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3503 [22:56:45] <hanshenrik> greycat, its even `those specific arguments`
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3506 [22:56:59] <hanshenrik> in your case, with exactly 0 arguments
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3509 [22:57:40] <simbalion`> is Stretch released yet? :D
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3511 [22:57:57] <greycat> nope
3512 [22:57:59] <missmbob> simbalion`: you're getting annoying
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3518 [22:59:36] <prietus> every time someone asks about a release date it is postponed by a week
3519 [22:59:44] <simbalion`> prietus: D:
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3521 [23:00:06] <simbalion`> That's the kind of bs my girlfriend pulls. And it's why I left her.
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3523 [23:00:20] <hanshenrik> when will debian 9 be released?
3524 [23:00:23] <simbalion`> I'm j/k I've never had a gf
3525 [23:00:32] <missmbob> you didnt push her away by asking annoying questions over and over again?
3526 [23:00:33] <greycat> So if we keep answering simbalion` this way, will he leave us?
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3530 [23:02:01] <hanshenrik> i've been running debian9 for months, works fine, most of the time
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3532 [23:02:23] <hanshenrik> its not like you have to wait for it to be released to use it
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3534 [23:03:00] <prussian> < simbalion`> I'm j/k I've never had a gf <-- straight savage
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3536 [23:04:08] <prussian> also what hanshenrik said. I'm on sid and it works for me... not like it's hard to change sources.list
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3538 [23:05:02] <hanshenrik> i did upgrade a debian 8 system to debian 9 like that once... and it broke halfway through the installation. had to reinstall that system from scratch :(
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3540 [23:05:25] <hanshenrik> - after that, i've been installing debian 9's through the debian 9 installer previews
3541 [23:05:40] <hanshenrik> (which can be found here replaced-url
3542 [23:05:57] <hanshenrik> (i use the "Current daily snapshots")
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3546 [23:06:53] <hanshenrik> (that was before debian9 entered soft freeze though)
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3552 [23:09:09] <simbalion`> I thought about just installing testing but I was scared away by the reports that it doesn't receive 100% of security updates
3553 [23:09:42] <random_numbers> That's pretty much what held me back as well.
3554 [23:11:48] <centrx> You can backport updates from unstable
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3558 [23:12:14] <centrx> For a desktop, the only big security issue is browsers, so you can keep apprised of browser updates and backport if you feel it's necessary
3559 [23:12:16] <greycat> They're not likely to be *in* unstable during the slushy phase.
3560 [23:12:18] <centrx> typically
3561 [23:13:41] <n4dir> as far i would tell: testing doesn't receive security updates the way stable receives them. That doesn't mean it doesn't receive them at all.
3562 [23:13:46] <hanshenrik> huh, come to think of it, Stretch (the toy hcharacter) is a octopus
3563 [23:13:56] <greycat> !testing security
3564 [23:13:56] <dpkg> The testing release does not receive full security support until just before release. Up until that time, security updates can take a few days to arrive and will often be new upstream versions which may require you to spend significant time reconfiguring applications. Don't run 'testing' on things where good security support and stability are important. See <moving target>.
3565 [23:13:56] <hanshenrik> and debian 9 is the first version of debian that forces systemd on you
3566 [23:14:09] <hanshenrik> coincidence?
3567 [23:14:24] <greycat> It does not force anything.
3568 [23:14:31] <greycat> !stretch sysvinit
3569 [23:14:31] <dpkg> To replace systemd with sysvinit in stretch, simply "apt-get install sysvinit-core" and reboot. To switch from systemd to runit, "apt-get install runit-systemd", reboot, "apt-get install runit-init", and reboot again.
3570 [23:15:07] <n4dir> greycat: but how does the stable security team get the sec-updates? Don't they first "arrive" in testing/unstable ?
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3572 [23:15:36] <greycat> n4dir: Debian security team uploads directly to security.debian.org, not going through tne normal uploads to unstable, etc.
3573 [23:15:38] <hanshenrik> n4dir, no i don't think so, security patches to stable are commited directly, bypasses unstable/testing
3574 [23:15:45] <n4dir> ok, thanks for the info
3575 [23:15:51] <Aebian> greycat: hanshenrik: Well yeah but I want a password for one specific command execpt all others :D So to say if I type "sudo apt-get update" and enter the sudo password and then type it again no password will be asked, but if I type "sudo rm -R" it should ask for a password everytime. I guess just change NOPASSWD to PASSWD will do the trick?
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3577 [23:16:37] <greycat> Aebian: I've looked for an sudo channel several times and never find one. I hope you get the answer you want, but I don't know it.
3578 [23:17:25] <n4dir> i just use su. If i am done with what needs to be done, i do "exit", so ..
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3584 [23:20:12] <random_numbers> How would one backport updates?
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3591 [23:21:23] <s00x> hey
3592 [23:21:27] <centrx> random_numbers: If they don't require libraries from the future, you can just install the package
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3594 [23:21:40] <s00x> can I change /root to /home/root ? Would that occur any problems?
3595 [23:21:56] <prussian> i doubt it
3596 [23:22:06] <random_numbers> centrx: So pinning the repo as lower priority and manually installing the package?
3597 [23:22:14] <prussian> but hardcoded /root's in bad programs might have issues s00x
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3600 [23:22:26] <prussian> just make sure to actually update root's home folder location
3601 [23:22:29] <phogg> s00x: if /home is on the same disk as / you're okay, but in a recovery scenario you may not be able to mount a separate /home before you log in as root
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3603 [23:22:39] <centrx> random_numbers: Sure, yes
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3605 [23:22:54] <random_numbers> centrx: Ah. That's rather less complicated than I figured.
3606 [23:23:02] <centrx> random_numbers: Personally, I just change my sources.list and do apt-get update && apt-get install package, but have to make sure to switch back the sources.list
3607 [23:23:05] <s00x> well, /home is on hdd, rest is on ssd
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3609 [23:23:48] <centrx> random_numbers: Problems can happen if you're upgrading libraries and effectively your whole distro to the next version/unstable, or mixing releases
3610 [23:23:50] <phogg> s00x: you may do what you like but the above reason is why /root is not in /home by default
3611 [23:24:08] <centrx> random_numbers: With testing, that's less of an issue because testing is always updating and changing toward unstable anyway
3612 [23:24:13] <prietus> you keep telling him: yeah you can. while the real questions is why the hell are trying to do such thing?
3613 [23:24:16] <s00x> prussian: speaking of bad programs - what about leaving symlink /root -> /home/root ?
3614 [23:24:28] <random_numbers> centrx: Hm. I see. Does testing receive security updates atm?
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3616 [23:24:43] <centrx> random_numbers: With stable, you really should basically never install updates from unstable/testing
3617 [23:24:46] <centrx> random_numbers: no, it does not
3618 [23:25:01] <centrx> random_numbers: It did for a brief time, but that was discontinued because it was too much of a maintenance time sink for the security team
3619 [23:25:07] <`Kevin> s00x: is there a reason behind this :P
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3621 [23:25:34] <random_numbers> centrx: Ah, that's unfortunate, I'd been wondering if the freeze had changed that. Guess I'm truly stuck waiting for proper release.
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3623 [23:25:40] <centrx> random_numbers: However, testing tends to get the security updates fairly soon, it's just not guaranteed like with stable
3624 [23:25:45] <prussian> s00x: no. unless they don't deref symlinks
3625 [23:25:48] <prussian> lol.
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3628 [23:27:45] <s00x> `Kevin: I wanna store all /home on ssd, including root files
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3641 [23:31:25] <Azrael_-> hi
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3644 [23:32:27] <s00x> and how should I change /root to /home/root properly? Just editing /etc/passwd ?
3645 [23:32:33] <s00x> or something else needs to be done?
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3647 [23:33:09] <Azrael_-> i don't want to start a debate, i just want to get a small summary: just read about the fork (devuan) and don't understand why systemd is such a big deal and what other options there are. (hoped i could get a short info without having to read through tons of blog-entries)
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3653 [23:33:54] <mutante> s00x: i think editing /etc/passwd is actually all, besides copying the files and not forgetting the . files
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3655 [23:34:30] <s00x> ok, cool!
3656 [23:34:33] <s00x> thank you
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3659 [23:35:13] <centrx> Azrael_-: systemd is a big monolith, anti-Unix philosophy foisted by Red Hat/Lennart Poettering, and relatively buggy and unstable, that was the big argument
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3661 [23:35:52] <centrx> Azrael_-: Other options include sysvinit (classic longstanding Linux/Unix init system) and upstart (Ubuntu)
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3663 [23:36:38] <`Kevin> Azrael_-: if you havent used a previous init thus not much experience you may not care either way honestly
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3667 [23:38:06] <Azrael_-> until now i used mostly the init-scripts and with the new systemctl-style for me it seems like less easy to see what happens (when starting/stopping). fortunately i didn't have to dig into startup-scripts yet for some years so i don't know how much effort i have to invest to learn about them
3668 [23:38:30] <missmbob> wow. we have a release date
3669 [23:38:39] <prussian> wow really?
3670 [23:38:56] <missmbob> 6-17. just hit the mailing lists
3671 [23:39:05] <mutante> if you want to learn about systemd, your keywords are "how to write unit files", and i found this one pretty helpful replaced-url
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3673 [23:39:24] <Azrael_-> thanks, will give it a shot
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3676 [23:40:28] <Azrael_-> missmbob: mind to tell us when the release-date is?
3677 [23:40:40] <missmbob> 16:38 < missmbob> 6-17. just hit the mailing lists
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3679 [23:41:02] <Azrael_-> 6-17.5.?
3680 [23:41:02] <mutante> is that list post linkable?
3681 [23:41:11] <missmbob> june 17 2017
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3683 [23:41:22] <Azrael_-> ah, right
3684 [23:41:36] <Azrael_-> sorry, too late, i'm not concentrated any more
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3689 [23:45:33] <d00der> Hello
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3692 [23:46:30] <d00der> How can I have VM's created with virt-install save to my /home ? My root directory always fills up
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3698 [23:48:12] <alesan> re
3699 [23:48:32] <alesan> how do I trigger the factoid for debian source packages?
3700 [23:48:52] <prussian> d00der: ? --disk /some/path ?
3701 [23:49:03] <alesan> what I *really* want to do: I want to see what ./configure and build options are used by debian to build a package
3702 [23:49:07] <prussian> otherwise you have to add a storage pool to your libvirt
3703 [23:49:27] <missmbob> it's in the debian/control file of the package's source
3704 [23:49:33] <alesan> I still need a way to get the source package and I forgot how to setup my sytem, ideally I would just download it from a browser
3705 [23:49:43] <alesan> missmbob, that was for me?
3706 [23:49:45] <d00der> prussian: ok thanks
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3708 [23:49:59] <missmbob> alesan: yeah. and i meant debian/rules
3709 [23:51:19] <alesan> OK
3710 [23:51:41] <alesan> now I need to downoad such package... it's the libsane, or sane-backend source package I guess... how can I get it?
3711 [23:51:53] <missmbob> apt source foo
3712 [23:52:12] <mutante> i think the news is worth updating the topic
3713 [23:52:19] <alesan> my system is not configured for sources, that is why I was looking for a factoid or bot that instructs me how to setup the whole thing
3714 [23:52:29] <missmbob> !deb-src
3715 [23:52:29] <dpkg> You can have apt download the <source package> from which a <binary package> was compiled using a "deb-src" line in your <sources.list>. A line like "deb-src replaced-url
3716 [23:52:38] <alesan> OK that is what I was looking
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3721 [23:56:05] <missmbob> alesan: note that factoid uses sid. you should replace sid with jessie if that's what you're using
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3723 [23:56:27] <alesan> I'd like to see stretch and
3724 [23:56:29] <alesan> well
3725 [23:56:35] <alesan> I'll see what to do
3726 [23:56:39] <alesan> maybe I'll check several
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3734 [23:59:32] <crash_> debian release is near awesome news :)
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