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29 [00:10:10] <roycroft> hello, folks
30 [00:10:17] <roycroft> i'm having an issue configuring sendmail for debian
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32 [00:10:38] <roycroft> i'm running 3.16.0-4-amd64, with sendmail-8.14.4
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35 [00:10:51] <roycroft> i'm unable to authenticate
36 [00:10:53] <roycroft> that is the issue
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38 [00:10:59] <roycroft> i have saslauthd running
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41 [00:11:05] <roycroft> with getpwent as the auth type
42 [00:11:12] <roycroft> but i get authentication failurs
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44 [00:11:22] <roycroft> on other platforms i have to create a Sendmail.conf file for saslauthd
45 [00:11:32] <roycroft> but i can't find documentation that effect on the debian machine
46 [00:11:35] <roycroft> any clues?
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83 [00:29:16] <glick> hi
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85 [00:29:44] <glick> pardon i just installed mate how can i make it so my jessi automatically starts mate instead of gnome 3 on start up?
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89 [00:30:51] <petn-randall> glick: Select "Mate" in your login manager.
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92 [00:33:04] <glick> login manager?
93 [00:33:35] <teraflops> gdm, kdm, lightdm…
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120 [00:38:30] <SaladMan> sup
121 [00:38:46] <SaladMan> anybody here a pro with debian?
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135 [00:43:50] <petn-randall> !ask
136 [00:43:51] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
137 [00:43:56] <petn-randall> SaladMan: ^^^
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200 [01:11:19] <kalipso> hey guys i was setting up mpd with clients and iam able to stream to some rpis via pulse audio. my problem is that on client side not every musik folder is showing up. also not every title. i mount a nfs partition remote on the mpd server and when i ls the music folder everything is there, but the mpd clients do not show specific songs/folders (same on ervery client). i also checked rights on those
201 [01:11:21] <kalipso> files/folders and they are same but still i can see everything
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211 [01:16:08] <jelly> AlexPortable: if you want mysql client to even ask you for a password, use -p option for mysql command. Otherwise, it will just try connecting without a password.
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272 [01:43:31] <p3rror> hello
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274 [01:43:59] <p3rror> I placed a bash script in /etc/rc.local and I wich that will run at boot
275 [01:44:04] <ryouma> i have an xmodmap command that i run once, and it always used to work. but starting yesterday, it stops working after a few minutes. could this have been caused by an upgrade?
276 [01:44:25] <p3rror> I append a line like echo "/usr/sbin/harp -d&" >> /etc/rc.local
277 [01:44:33] <ryouma> (i.e. the keyboard bindings revert to default after a few minjutes and then i have to run xmodmap again)
278 [01:44:38] <p3rror> the script does not run at boot at all
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299 [02:01:37] <missmbob> p3rror: actually *read* what's inside rc.local
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305 [02:03:31] <p3rror> missmbob, the file is empty
306 [02:04:07] <missmbob> not in debian it's not
307 [02:04:09] <p3rror> this is because I did a echo "/usr/sbin/harp -d&" > /etc/rc.local
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309 [02:04:41] <missmbob> replaced-url
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314 [02:06:02] <p3rror> missmbob, who must end with an "exit 0"
315 [02:06:07] <p3rror> my script or rc.local
316 [02:06:15] <missmbob> no. read again.
317 [02:06:29] <missmbob> line 10
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322 [02:07:03] <p3rror> missmbob, Ah
323 [02:07:05] <p3rror> =)
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325 [02:07:37] <p3rror> Tell me please my script run a service, may I append the line /usr/sbin/harp -d&
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328 [02:07:57] <p3rror> to run on background or this s not necessary
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330 [02:08:14] <missmbob> you have it right
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333 [02:09:48] <p3rror> missmbob, OK
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388 [02:43:33] <ryouma> i am getting this message, but i do not have a sejin keyboard. "input: SEJIN SEJIN USB joint Keyboard as /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1d.7/usb2/2-4/2-4.2/2-4.2:1.0/0003:0510:0032.0017/input/input33". i have not changed anything related to usb at all.
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432 [03:03:46] <fartface> So my wife's got this Canon printer at work that no longer "scans to folder" (using SMB) due to a Windows Update killing SMB 1.0. The next option is scan to e-mail, but it needs a mail server using SMTP port 25 and likely old as hell encryption (if any). Given I don't want to roll out a system like this in production, is it worth my while to spin up a local-only server running postfix without auth to handle this? What's my best
433 [03:03:46] <fartface> option?
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471 [03:27:13] <rjsalts> fartface: that should be fine
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474 [03:28:49] <rjsalts> fartface: or any mta really
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499 [03:41:56] <avalon_> ;)
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501 [03:42:35] <ryzokuken> Hi guys!
502 [03:42:58] <ryzokuken> I made a separate home partition, gave probably 10 gigs of space to root
503 [03:43:02] <ryzokuken> now root is full
504 [03:43:14] <ryzokuken> can I resize the partitions now in some way?
505 [03:43:23] <aypea[1]> ryz: using lvm?
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507 [03:43:30] <aypea[1]> ryz: or pure partitions?
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510 [03:43:56] <ryzokuken> aypea[1]: normal partitions
511 [03:44:01] <ryzokuken> no LVM
512 [03:44:10] <rjsalts> ryzokuken: either way, it's possible, just more painful without LVM
513 [03:44:19] <ryzokuken> :/
514 [03:44:26] <aypea[1]> ryz: it's possible but it's painful and fraught with danger
515 [03:44:32] <ryzokuken> I should've used LVM?
516 [03:44:40] <ryzokuken> Am I better off with a clean install?
517 [03:44:43] <aypea[1]> ryz: if you see yourself resizing your filesystems, yes
518 [03:45:01] <ryzokuken> I had no idea that 10 gigs wouldn't be enough.
519 [03:45:03] <aypea[1]> ryz: it's probably simpler. make a backup and re-install
520 [03:45:15] <ryzokuken> that's what the installer suggested.
521 [03:45:19] <rjsalts> ryzokuken: or if you want to do tape backups of the whole partition, etc.
522 [03:45:53] <aypea[1]> ryz: there are utils that'll let you resize your partitions. how painful that is depends on where they are. parted I think permits resizing.
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524 [03:46:01] <aypea[1]> but still: backups
525 [03:46:04] <echosystm> i need halp fam
526 [03:46:25] <avalon_> ryzokuken, without backup... it is very risky doing anything
527 [03:46:31] <echosystm> i wrote a script a while back that would format a usb drive, debootstrap, install grub, etc.
528 [03:46:41] <echosystm> basically give me a fully bootable debian on USB
529 [03:46:52] <echosystm> now, i need to use that usb in a computer with efi
530 [03:46:57] <echosystm> what do i do?
531 [03:47:00] <echosystm> google is getting me nowhere
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533 [03:48:11] <echosystm> ive made the efi partition etc. i just don't know what to do with it
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542 [03:54:05] <victorqueiroz> Hi guys
543 [03:54:21] <victorqueiroz> Infinality is no longer active. There's any alternative for better font rendering on Debian/
544 [03:54:22] <victorqueiroz> ?
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546 [03:55:41] <missmbob> there's unofficial methods replaced-url
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548 [03:57:34] <victorqueiroz> Do you use it?
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551 [03:58:00] <missmbob> no
552 [03:58:16] <missmbob> default fonts look just fine to me
553 [03:58:45] <victorqueiroz> I have a MacBook
554 [03:58:49] <victorqueiroz> But can't get rid of Linux
555 [03:58:54] <victorqueiroz> But still, font rendering bothers me =)
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703 [05:50:02] <shalok> Is there some kind of gui interface for the gnome password wallet?
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849 [07:52:18] <ryzokuken> Just spent the entire afternoon installing debian with XFCE, and find it extremely disappointing
850 [07:52:34] <ryzokuken> What other options do I have?
851 [07:52:47] <ryzokuken> Just GNOME and KDE are usable?
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853 [07:53:27] <ryzokuken> I would've loved something lightweight, but XFCE didn't work as expected, so I guess it's not an option.
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864 [08:02:57] <ryzokuken> Is KDE faster than GNOME?
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883 [08:18:46] <victorqueiroz> ryzokuken: I believe GNOME is faster
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889 [08:21:48] <ryzokuken> victorqueiroz: are you sure?
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1082 [10:21:22] <TC`> on logrotate with --force (-f), logrotate is telling that it needs my log to be rotated and the shows that it is renaming and moving log files. But it doesn't do anything. The log file is not moved, compressed or cleared.
1083 [10:21:34] <TC`> debia 8.8
1084 [10:21:53] <TC`> logrotate 3.8.7
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1088 [10:23:54] <TC`> Does logrotate work explicitly on /var/log dir only? (because for testing purposes I use other dir.
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1090 [10:24:56] <bikeshedder> I'm getting a weird error on a freshly set-up LXC guest system. Both the host and the guest run debian jessie. When running various python scripts I get the error message: libgcc_s.so.1 must be installed for pthread_cancel to work -- When googeling for this I only find bug reports from 2008...2009 but nothing new shows up. Any ideas what could be causing this?
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1103 [10:36:33] <bikeshedder> problem found. It was caused by an overly eager /etc/limits.conf
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1147 [11:01:32] <pascalou> hi
1148 [11:01:38] <pascalou> is there a channel for packaging ?
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1162 [11:06:13] <Iridos> there's a channel for people who want to become someone packaging for debian… it's #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net
1163 [11:06:36] <petn-randall> Iridos: They left.
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1170 [11:09:26] <Iridos> well… then I answered it for the aesthetic of not leaving a question unanswered ^^
1171 [11:09:39] <Iridos> aesthetic reason*
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1174 [11:10:50] <petn-randall> anesthetic reasons?
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1179 [11:14:12] <gam3r> athletic reason ? ^^
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1188 [11:18:29] <Iridos> yeah, one of them things
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1192 [11:20:01] <missmbob> it's not a bad thing. i'm sure a lot of people here just read logs instead of being here live. i do anyway
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1244 [11:49:14] <duser> I have a command line to find min and max of some contents. echo -e "4.0\n3.0\n5.0" | awk 'BEG{max=-99; min=-9;}{ print "current min: " min " var 1: " $1 " max: " max; if($1<0+min)min=$1}END{print "min: " min}'
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1246 [11:49:40] <duser> Why min and max is not empty?
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1251 [11:52:32] <g0zzy> Any recommendations for a clipboard manager - xfce4-clipman has gone buggy on me and you can't even save the current list?
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1254 [11:56:31] <g0zzy> Ah. Let's keep that question on the back burner - there's something wrong. Just purged and reinstalled it and it's STILL telling me the clipboard is empty (it isn't)
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1260 [12:00:40] <ryzokuken> Can I install debian testing directly?
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1263 [12:01:06] <petn-randall> ryzokuken: You can probably use the stretch installer for that.
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1265 [12:02:23] <petn-randall> Taking it to #debian.next
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1277 [12:07:51] <Cl0udN9ne> where is the list of debian compatible hardwares again?
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1281 [12:09:02] <Cl0udN9ne> im especially looking for a plug-in wifi adapter
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1285 [12:11:59] <Alarak> Cl0udN9ne, there is no such thing as hardware supported list in debian
1286 [12:12:09] <Alarak> the hardware supported is the linux supported hardware
1287 [12:13:02] <Cl0udN9ne> well,is there a list of the ones supported in debian jessie?
1288 [12:13:18] <Alarak> and that's about it. If you are using GNU\Linux debian... if you are using the freebsd kernel port or hurd then refer to hurd or freebsd
1289 [12:13:22] <Alarak> ok you are not listening
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1292 [12:13:43] <Cl0udN9ne> Alarak: plain vanilla linux
1293 [12:14:15] * g0zzy discovers that xfce4-clipman is known to be buggy. Purged and now using clipit
1294 [12:14:28] <Alarak> Cl0udN9ne, replaced-url
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1296 [12:14:40] <Alarak> or whatever just search on google
1297 [12:16:35] <rockyh> Hi!
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1299 [12:16:54] <rockyh> If I run sssd but not for sudo, can I disable nscd?
1300 [12:17:02] <rockyh> I am using Ubuntu 16.04, so with systemd
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1302 [12:17:30] <rockyh> that is: sssd is used for authentication with LDAP, but local (and local sudo) authentication should still be possible
1303 [12:17:31] <at0m> rockyh: this is #debian, not #ubuntu
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1307 [12:20:39] <rj1> ryzokuken: lots of options available.. any dm or wm that exists...
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1321 [12:29:03] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
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1415 [13:47:57] <ryzokuken> Hey all!
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1418 [13:48:15] <ryzokuken> I am using the nonfree firmware images for installation
1419 [13:48:29] <ryzokuken> But an error message appears
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1424 [13:48:46] <ryzokuken> Apparently, Atheros firmware needs to be added separately
1425 [13:48:52] <ryzokuken> Please help me.
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1485 [14:09:34] <ryzokuken> On tasksel, what's the difference between Debian DE and GNOME?
1486 [14:09:44] <ryzokuken> Aren't they supposed to be the same?
1487 [14:10:14] <ryzokuken> But it seems as if all DEs come *under* Debian DE, which bugs me
1488 [14:10:19] <ryzokuken> Please help.
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1490 [14:10:54] <_DannyK> Hello, how do I get fsck output that was done during boot? My / had dirty bit set and would like to know if anything got messed up, running stretch here
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1494 [14:11:42] <_DannyK> Tried grep -r /var/log fsck, nothing there
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1538 [14:34:30] <colo-work> eh. the output of `free` changed between Jessie and Stretch.
1539 [14:34:39] <colo-work> change for the sake of change
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1542 [14:35:03] <colo-work> frickin' procps
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1547 [14:36:38] <jelly> colo-work: wait, again?
1548 [14:37:04] <colo-work> jelly, I don't recall any such change from squeeze to jessie
1549 [14:37:11] <colo-work> wheezy -> jessie "broke" pgrep
1550 [14:37:17] <jelly> colo-work: that "available" column is actually useful, this is not a frivolous change
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1552 [14:38:26] <petn-randall> IIRC they warn in their man page to use it for scripts.
1553 [14:38:27] <colo-work> yeah I can see it's well-intended, but I hear millions of voices suddenly crying out in terror due to broken scripts parsing that
1554 [14:38:48] <jelly> fuck them, they should read changelogs
1555 [14:39:07] <petn-randall> The scripts?
1556 [14:39:09] <colo-work> are the Debian release notes going to cover that? ;)
1557 [14:39:51] <jelly> colo-work: if you want them to, file a bug report with a patch
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1560 [14:40:58] <jelly> but yes, this kind of thing appears in release notes
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1566 [14:45:00] <jelly> colo-work: package name is "release-notes", I'm not sure where to get source from but you can file something similar to #862216 I guess
1567 [14:45:01] <judd> Bug replaced-url
1568 [14:45:40] <theluckymike> with bash sshpass script together with pulling pw from pass I loose autofill from host file function, any hint on how to fix it?
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1573 [14:48:43] <_DannyK_> Hello, how do I get fsck output that was done during boot? My / had dirty bit set and would like to know if anything got messed up, running stretch here.
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1579 [14:50:02] <petn-randall> _DannyK_: It should be in your journal, 'journalctl' will pull it up.
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1582 [14:51:31] <colo-work> jelly, thanks
1583 [14:51:55] <rafalcpp> How to create AllowedUsers entry with an IP address that is never mathed?
1584 [14:52:00] <rafalcpp> it seems @0.0.0.0 is always matched
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1586 [14:52:09] <rafalcpp> in sshd_config
1587 [14:52:10] <jelly> rafalcpp: what's the goal?
1588 [14:52:15] <_DannyK_> petn-randall: Should it be there even I have fsck hook set for initramfs?
1589 [14:52:26] <_DannyK_> petn-randall: *even if
1590 [14:52:40] <rafalcpp> jelly: 1) curiosity but 2) how to make sure only users in AllowUsers can log in and others can not, even if the last AllowUser entry would be deleted
1591 [14:52:44] <petn-randall> _DannyK_: yes
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1593 [14:53:43] <_DannyK_> petn-randall: is systemd journal the only way to find it?
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1595 [14:54:41] <petn-randall> _DannyK_: It's likely also somewhere in /var/log/, but I don't remember to which file it goes.
1596 [14:54:59] <_DannyK_> petn-randall: I thought it should also be in /var/run/initramfs/ but it's empty here
1597 [14:55:20] <_DannyK_> petn-randall: tried grep -r fsck /var/log nothing there
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1600 [14:55:49] <petn-randall> _DannyK_: My fsck run is in the journal.
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1602 [14:56:21] <_DannyK_> petn-randall: So I'm screwed, it was on my tmpfs (SSD's sake)
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1604 [14:56:47] <lelu> Hi all
1605 [14:57:15] <petn-randall> _DannyK_: Oh, you rebooted since?
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1607 [14:57:41] <lelu> Im doing something stupid, I am resizing a live partition on a vm. The /etc/fstab references the partitions uuid. Does this change when using fdisk to resize partitions?
1608 [14:57:51] <_DannyK_> petn-randall: No
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1610 [14:58:37] <colo-work> lelu, no, the UUID stays the same
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1614 [14:59:16] <_DannyK_> petn-randall: Still the same boot, but I set a symlink /var/log -> /run/log (tmpfs)
1615 [14:59:19] <petn-randall> lelu: You might want to use LVM if you happen to do this more often.
1616 [14:59:47] <petn-randall> _DannyK_: But why should you journal be empty? Or did you turn it off?
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1619 [15:01:20] <_DannyK_> petn-randall: No I did not. It is just because /var/log/journal directory is not recreated after reboot, I have to mkdir it myself after each boot, so it is empty.
1620 [15:01:39] <_DannyK_> petn-randall: Remember it is tmpfs.
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1623 [15:02:17] <petn-randall> _DannyK_: Ah, in that case you're screwed.
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1625 [15:02:34] <petn-randall> And probably a lot of other logs don't work, either.
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1627 [15:03:06] <_DannyK_> petn-randall: yes, a good lesson for me not to move /var/log to tmpfs
1628 [15:03:06] <jelly> is there a debian handbook pdf somewhere?
1629 [15:03:32] <_DannyK_> petn-randall: I'm just paranoid about SSD longevity
1630 [15:03:40] <lelu> colo-work: thanks
1631 [15:04:07] <_DannyK_> petn-randall: but I think I should relax it mainly because of commit=60 boot option set
1632 [15:04:21] <lelu> petn-randall: haha, yeah. I did mention to the guys installing the vm that LVM would be beneficial but they were windows engineers and knew nothing of linux so just installed a base sytem into a 2GB disk!
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1636 [15:06:44] <lelu> ok, so with the new partition table saved all I need to do is reboot and hope. considering I am 30 miles away from the box I do not want to have to drive in just to get access to the hypervisor
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1642 [15:09:09] <petn-randall> jelly: replaced-url
1643 [15:09:24] <petn-randall> jelly: Below the big "donate now" button there's a link to that site.
1644 [15:09:32] <petn-randall> the page before, that is.
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1648 [15:10:35] <petn-randall> _DannyK_: Putting logs on tmpfs is a bit overkill, IMHO. I've got several SSDS inside Debian machines, and I haven't even come close to the TBW (terabytes written) that the vendors guarantee.
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1660 [15:21:27] <jelly> replaced-url
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1666 [15:23:13] <jelly> added to factoid for convenience
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1669 [15:23:28] <lelu> well that went smoothly
1670 [15:23:41] <lelu> reboot and resize2fs and nothing broke
1671 [15:23:52] <lelu> thanks for the assistance :)
1672 [15:23:55] <jelly> maybe they generate 50GB logs every day on each server
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1695 [15:33:06] <petn-randall> A server is something where I'd say logs aren't optional.
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1699 [15:35:00] <jelly> they don't have to be stored locally
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1701 [15:36:55] <TomTomTosch> greetings. i would like to download a package with all dependencies for wheezy on a jessie machine. is there a tool for that?
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1706 [15:41:41] <jelly> TomTomTosch: it's called "debootstrap a wheezy chroot and do it there"
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1716 [15:45:50] <TomTomTosch> i guess that would do it. thanks.
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1718 [15:46:39] <jelly> also there are tools like apt-offline, apt-zip, apt-probablysomeothers
1719 [15:46:50] <jelly> ,i apt-offline
1720 [15:46:51] <judd> Package apt-offline (admin, optional) in jessie/amd64: offline APT package manager. Version: 1.5.1; Size: 55.5k; Installed: 276k; Homepage: replaced-url
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1731 [15:52:36] <mimico> Hi, I am running Debian8. I was having problems with the screen resolution (the monitor was Unknown), and after attempting to follow some instructions online about creating an xorg.conf file I typed 'X :1 -configure', shortly after which I rebooted the computer. Now I can't get the GUI back :-(
1732 [15:54:08] <mimico> (If this isn't the place for question, could you please direct me to where I can get help with this)
1733 [15:54:55] <mimico> typing 'startx' I get Xauthority does not exist
1734 [15:55:16] <at0m> mimico: you could start with moving that xorg.conf aside and restarting x. do you use a DE? restart that.
1735 [15:55:42] <mimico> I can't find the xorg.conf
1736 [15:55:47] <mimico> what DE?
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1738 [15:56:18] <at0m> you've probably put it in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
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1741 [15:56:51] <mimico> @at0m no, it's not there
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1744 [15:57:16] <at0m> then where did you save it?
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1746 [15:57:46] <_DannyK_> petn-randall: Yes you are probably right, it's overkill
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1749 [15:58:13] <mimico> there was no xorg.conf to begin with. I couldn't find it and then read that it is not there anymore by default. So I typed X :1 -configure to create it, still couldn't find it, rebooted, and lost the GUI
1750 [15:58:19] <petn-randall> _DannyK_: I've even got swap on my SSD, those things last longer than you think.
1751 [15:58:48] <_DannyK_> petn-randall: what is the smallest size SSD you got? here it is 60GiB
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1755 [15:59:22] <_DannyK_> petn-randall: and I have 20GiB reserved for overprovisioning purposes
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1757 [15:59:49] <petn-randall> _DannyK_: That's no needed if you have ATA TRIM activated.
1758 [15:59:52] <petn-randall> *not
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1760 [16:00:35] <_DannyK_> petn-randall: how do I know? dmesg | grep TRIM?
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1764 [16:01:48] <petn-randall> _DannyK_: You need to set "discard" in /etc/stab, and any LVM/RAID in between.
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1767 [16:02:05] <petn-randall> _DannyK_: It's not enabled by default because some early SSDs choked on the TRIM command.
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1773 [16:02:57] <mimico> at0m: I can't find an xorg.conf on either of my debian computers running Jessie. I was trying to fix a resolution problem with an unknown monitor. And now I have worse problems :-(
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1775 [16:03:14] <_DannyK_> petn-randall: I see ... I googled some before and some people said it's better to set a cronjob with fstrim than "discard" I don't know why, they only mentioned it can cause chokes
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1779 [16:03:51] <petn-randall> _DannyK_: Just try it with, if there's any problems, take it out.
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1781 [16:04:29] <at0m> mimico: yes, i see.. i wonder what file it did create, or what actually changed as to why X won't start anymore. did you check X logs?
1782 [16:04:31] <_DannyK_> petn-randall: Does it work only for ext4?
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1784 [16:04:51] <petn-randall> _DannyK_: check 'man mount', most fs support it.
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1786 [16:05:10] <at0m> mimico: usually /var/log/Xorg.0.log
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1789 [16:05:48] <mimico> at0m: last entry says Server terminated iwth error (1). Closing log file.
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1791 [16:06:14] <_DannyK_> petn-randall: Will check thank you
1792 [16:06:29] <_DannyK_> petn-randall: Looks like a complete reinstall is ahead of me
1793 [16:06:42] <petn-randall> _DannyK_: How so?
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1796 [16:06:58] <_DannyK_> petn-randall: I'm uncertain whether fs has been corrupted
1797 [16:07:14] <petn-randall> _DannyK_: Why don't you just check with fsck on a live system?
1798 [16:07:17] <mimico> at0m: Using system config directory "/usr/share/x11/xorg.conf.d
1799 [16:07:26] <_DannyK_> petn-randall: because of lack of that fsck report
1800 [16:07:55] <_DannyK_> petn-randall: I did it earlier in dry mode - it said "clean" but also that it could not restore journal because of read only mode
1801 [16:08:05] <petn-randall> ?
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1803 [16:08:21] <mimico> at0m: Parse error on line 3 of section Monitor in file "/usr/share/x11/xorg.conf.d"
1804 [16:08:30] <petn-randall> _DannyK_: boot a live CD, and run fsck --force on the filesystems.
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1806 [16:08:44] <mimico> at0m: "<INSERT" is not a valid keyword in this section.
1807 [16:09:04] <mimico> at0m: Problem parsing the config file
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1809 [16:09:20] <mimico> at0m: Fatal server error: no screens found (EE)
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1811 [16:10:00] <mimico> at0m: then it exits with error (1) and closes the log file.
1812 [16:10:19] <_DannyK_> petn-randall: What I did was update-initramfs to add fsck.ext3 to it (my / is ext3) and rebooted, now I don't know if there were any changes made to the system because I can't find fsck log
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1817 [16:12:05] <mimico> at0m: oops, it's "Parse error on line 3 of section MOnitor in file /usr/share/x11/xorg.conf.d/10-monitor.conf
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1824 [16:14:51] <petn-randall> _DannyK_: I know, you said that. Why are you still using ext3?
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1828 [16:15:18] <mimico> at0m: and line 3 of that file is <INSERT MODELINE HERE>... ah, this is a file I created to try to fix my resolution problem. Maybe I should delete this file?
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1830 [16:15:33] <_DannyK_> petn-randall: Just for the sake of "stability" ... its so old it must be mature by now
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1833 [16:16:47] <at0m> mimico: obviously, undo changes you made that caused this. no need to delete, you can move it aside
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1836 [16:19:03] <mimico> at0m: I got my GUI back! I just didn't remember the changes I made and am new to this. Thanks for walking me through that, lol.
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1839 [16:19:41] <at0m> mimico: if you move it aside, you can maybe correct it, while deleting it will make you redo the whole file
1840 [16:19:52] <deadman36g_> hey guys need some help, I have a directory that I messed up naming when I mv'ed it, now the directory shows in ls but I cant cd into or rm it either
1841 [16:20:19] <deadman36g_> when I do ls -la the directory has a ? at the end
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1844 [16:21:24] <at0m> deadman36g_: instead of typing the directory name out, try tab-completing it.
1845 [16:21:53] <deadman36g_> tab complete does autofill but then it I get No such file or directory
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1852 [16:24:36] <mimico> at0m: yep, I followed your advice. Now I will try to fix this original problem.
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1856 [16:26:30] <deadman36g_> if I run ls -lb the directory shows as " The\ Real\ Story:\ The\ Amityville\ Horror\ (2009)\n" if I run ls -la the directory shows as The Real Story: The Amityville Horror (2009)?
1857 [16:27:58] <dunderproto> Can anyone recommend a live chat web client they have personally used? I'd like to have a webpage that can let customers chat directly with me. I'd prefer the messages would be sent via xmpp so I can check it using an xmpp client of my choice. I'm only interested in software that is open source and can be self-hosted
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1864 [16:32:21] <at0m> dunderproto: replaced-url
1865 [16:32:37] <at0m> i know of no xmpp webclients
1866 [16:33:04] <at0m> but you can host matrix and riot-web yourself
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1869 [16:33:55] <at0m> dunderproto: on top, clients could contact you via most any IM they're used to
1870 [16:34:07] <dunderproto> at0m: : thank you, I will take a look.
1871 [16:34:24] <at0m> dunderproto: also #matrix here
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1874 [16:35:10] <petn-randall> _DannyK_: I'd say ext4 is quite old by now, too. And ext3 filesystems are handled by the ext4 kernel module, anway, so you're running the same code.
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1881 [16:37:43] <yorch_> hihi !
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1884 [16:39:09] <dunderproto> at0m: I need to keep in contact with people who only use proprietary software (they don't seem to even use email anymore, only use their phones, and are unwilling to install a jabber client for my sake). I thought that having a web client on a webpage might be a workable kludge
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1886 [16:40:48] <at0m> dunderproto: matrix bridges to most any IM
1887 [16:41:09] <at0m> and has a web frontend, riot-web
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1892 [16:44:14] <_DannyK_> petn-randall: Just saw a message
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1894 [16:44:22] <_DannyK_> petn-randall: [ 2.796152] EXT4-fs (sda1): mounting ext3 file system using the ext4 subsystem
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1896 [16:44:30] <petn-randall> jep :)
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1900 [16:45:05] <_DannyK_> petn-randall: What is the smallest SSD you use?
1901 [16:45:32] <petn-randall> _DannyK_: 16 GB, IIRC.
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1930 [17:05:25] <mernilio> Hi all!
1931 [17:05:53] <mernilio> I said Hi all!!!
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1934 [17:06:16] <mernilio> gah :-/
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1936 [17:06:35] <Yojimbo> hi mernilio
1937 [17:06:45] <_DannyK_> petn-randall: Are you using LibreOffice calc? It's so bloated nowadays ...
1938 [17:06:47] <mernilio> Hi there Yojimbo
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1941 [17:07:09] <_DannyK_> petn-randall: +250MiB install
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1944 [17:08:06] <Yojimbo> _DannyK_: is there a lighter alternative?
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1948 [17:08:37] <_DannyK_> Yojimbo: I wish there was, just teapot but it is cumbersome to use ...
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1952 [17:08:50] <_DannyK_> Yojimbo: ncurses based or fltk
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1955 [17:09:02] <Yojimbo> ill check out teapot
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1966 [17:12:42] <mernilio> In a fight between a kung-fu master and a karate-sensei .. I dont think they would ever fight. And it like that for us
1967 [17:13:08] <eoi> Bonjour, du support francais présent ?
1968 [17:13:11] <mernilio> elders .. fuck i tuched the enter-key
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1972 [17:14:12] <mernilio> eoi: we support you french guys! :-)
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1976 [17:14:37] <mernilio> Just dont talk when not spoken to!
1977 [17:14:44] <greycat> !fr
1978 [17:14:44] <dpkg> Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debianfr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debianfr.
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1980 [17:15:05] <somiaj> mernilio: do you have a debian support question? Seems your current conversation would be better in #debian-offtopic
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1984 [17:15:31] <mernilio> somiaj: Thanks for that!
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1989 [17:16:55] <mernilio> somiaj: I couldnt connect to that channel.
1990 [17:17:58] <mernilio> Dont bother .. im going out soon.. thank for caring tho!
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1992 [17:18:24] <somiaj> mernilio: I don't see why, unless you got yourself banned there. Channel exsist and should let you join.
1993 [17:19:28] <mernilio> somiaj: I have not been banned from that channel but i cant connetct. :-(
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1995 [17:20:11] <mernilio> It feels so unfair! Because i really wanted to join debian-offtopic.
1996 [17:20:15] <somiaj> mernilio: double check the spelling, the channel exists, pay attention to the error you get.
1997 [17:20:20] <somiaj> it is #debian-offtopic
1998 [17:20:28] <mernilio> oki
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2016 [17:25:49] <ann0yedgrunt> Hello! I'm looking to install a Windows partition on my laptop which is currently only running Debian Jesse
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2018 [17:26:27] <ann0yedgrunt> I tried reading the WindowsDualBoot entry on the Debian wiki but I'm having a hard time following how to proceed from its instructions
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2020 [17:26:45] <greycat> You create partitions, you don't "install" them. Use gparted or parted, or your favorite flavor of fdisk if it's a non-GPT disk.
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2023 [17:27:26] <ann0yedgrunt> I'm not sure if it's a GPT disk
2024 [17:28:18] <greycat> What does "fdisk -l" say? (Don't paste the whole thing here. Just read it.)
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2031 [17:31:14] <ann0yedgrunt> disklabel type: dos
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2034 [17:31:39] <greycat> Then you should be able to create a partition with any *parted or *fdisk tool of your choice.
2035 [17:32:02] <ann0yedgrunt> cool, what would I type?
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2037 [17:32:11] <greycat> Try gparted first.
2038 [17:32:24] <jhutchins_wk> ann0yedgrunt: What's your actual goal? Are you planning to install Windows on it?
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2043 [17:32:58] <ann0yedgrunt> Planning a dual boot, jhutchins_wk
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2045 [17:34:48] <jhutchins_wk> Usually it's easiest to install Windows first, as it tends to commandeer the whole system and will overwrite grub in the MBR. For most modern versions you want an NTFS partition.
2046 [17:35:40] <greycat> Also, one wonders why you're creating a partition for Windows in the Linux system instead of in the Windows installer.
2047 [17:35:48] <greycat> Then again, I know nothing about current Windows installers.
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2051 [17:37:56] <ann0yedgrunt> Got it. gparted is asking me to swapoff or unmount all active partitions
2052 [17:38:05] <jhutchins_wk> I would expect it to grab either an NTFS type (7) partition or unpartitioned space.
2053 [17:38:23] <jhutchins_wk> ann0yedgrunt: You do have a backup, right?
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2057 [17:39:17] <greycat> I'm waiting for the part where he tells us there isn't any free space on the disk.
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2072 [17:45:33] <ann0yedgrunt> all the partitions are ext4 except for sda6 which is linux-swap
2073 [17:45:58] <greycat> The partition "type" is 99% irrelevant. Maybe Windows cares about it. Linux and the computer itself do not.
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2075 [17:46:20] <greycat> The question is, how much free space is there on the disk, for you to create the partition in.
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2079 [17:46:52] <greycat> (Well, and since this is disklabel dos, the second question is whether you are going to create a primary or an extended partition.)
2080 [17:46:55] <ann0yedgrunt> ~900 GB
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2084 [17:48:24] <ann0yedgrunt> oops unused 865.33 GiB
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2086 [17:48:34] <greycat> Note, I am not talking about unused space inside of a Linux file system. I am talking about raw chunks of disk that are not covered by a partition yet *at alL*.
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2088 [17:48:54] <ann0yedgrunt> oh, my bad. none at the moment
2089 [17:49:01] <greycat> And there it is.
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2091 [17:49:03] <jelly> ann0yedgrunt: of you only have one disk and you're booting from it right now, boot live gparted instead
2092 [17:49:23] <jelly> they have a nice bootable .iso that usually works from a usb stick or cd/dvd
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2094 [17:50:14] <jelly> shrinking ext4 filesystems with unused space in them is an offline process (also, slow)
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2097 [17:51:59] <ann0yedgrunt> so I boot from the gparted iso, create a partition,
2098 [17:52:18] <jhutchins_wk> Repartitioning and restoring is usually a lot faster.
2099 [17:52:21] <greycat> Create bootable gparted thingy. Boot from it. Shrink one of your existing partitions to make space. THEN create a new partition.
2100 [17:52:56] <jelly> jhutchins_wk: and requires a second disk
2101 [17:53:26] <jelly> I wonder if there's bootable tape these days.
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2103 [17:53:41] <greycat> AIX machines could boot from a tape
2104 [17:53:57] <greycat> I've never seen it done on any other platform, but that may just be my personal ignorance
2105 [17:54:19] <jhutchins_wk> Mag or paper?
2106 [17:54:25] <greycat> Heh. Magnetic.
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2109 [17:55:16] <jelly> please insert punched card #34192
2110 [17:55:47] <jhutchins_wk> D'Oh! I turned off numbering to get an extra five bytes!
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2112 [17:56:16] <jelly> LTO media can pretend to be random-access blockdev when formatted properly I think
2113 [17:56:24] <greycat> You always number your punched cards, in case you drop the stack on the floor.
2114 [17:57:18] <jelly> 90s seek time might be less than optimal, but you basically need to read four files anyway, boot loader, kernel, initrd and the rest of the iso
2115 [17:57:18] <ann0yedgrunt> didn't Commodore 64s boot from tape?
2116 [17:57:32] <jelly> no, it had an OS in ROM
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2119 [17:58:50] <ann0yedgrunt> I'm gonna do the gparted live disc etc., will report back. Thanks for your help!
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2121 [17:59:07] <mutante> ann0yedgrunt: tape drive or floppy disk, if you spent another 500 on the external drive :)
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2123 [17:59:26] <jelly> ann0yedgrunt: good luck. Hope you have backups. shrinking ext4 is less used than growing and may be more buggy.
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2125 [17:59:36] <mutante> it didn't need to boot from it though, unlike the Commodore Amiga
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2128 [18:00:04] <ann0yedgrunt> Whatcha make of those new Amiga OS versions and Amiga-like OSes?
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2130 [18:01:44] <mutante> i haven't tried any. i just had an original Amiga 500 once.. and then my entire games collection got basically wiped out by virii. no other platform was that bad when it came to boot virus. because you had to boot from floppy, one disk got infected and stopped working, you tried the next one until they were all broken :p
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2182 [18:21:13] <linaro> well i set resolution to 1920x1080, but its not quite fitting right
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2187 [18:22:19] <jelly> inahd: was that meant for #debian channel on freenode
2188 [18:22:26] <inahd> um
2189 [18:22:34] <inahd> well i'm in debian
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2191 [18:22:57] <inahd> or i guess its a crappy debian based tinkerOS
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2193 [18:23:12] <inahd> :/
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2195 [18:23:31] <inahd> hi #debian
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2201 [18:25:15] <at0m> dpkg: tell inahd about debian-based
2202 [18:25:29] <jelly> !tinkerOS
2203 [18:25:40] <jelly> dpkg: ping
2204 [18:25:40] <dpkg> Yes, jelly you are either online or you are not... replaced-url
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2206 [18:26:05] <jelly> apparently obscure enough that noone's made a factoid about it yet
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2209 [18:26:54] <inahd> yeah jelly sadly it is so
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2224 [18:30:47] <inahd> i can't seem to find a way to micro-adjust the position and size of the monitor, so i thought maybe i messed up my xrandr entry
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2227 [18:31:22] <inahd> i know there was a way to autodetect with the edid etc..
2228 [18:31:43] <jelly> dpkg, tinkeros is <reply>TinkerOS is a Linux distribution for the Asus Tinker Board (armhf, rk3288 soc) based on Debian. Not supported in #debian, resources for the board itself are at replaced-url
2229 [18:31:44] <dpkg> jelly: okay
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2233 [18:33:05] <jelly> inahd: if you're connecting to a TV set, there's usually some way to configure each HDMI input as "PC" (personal computer) which disables overscan.
2234 [18:33:06] <inahd> poop
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2237 [18:34:04] <jelly> so if you can't figure that out, google for your TV brand and model and keywords like "disable overscan"
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2239 [18:34:21] <inahd> cool tanks
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2246 [18:36:43] <mernilio> Hi all!
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2256 [18:39:21] <mernilio> I have a general question, why is it so tiresome to go about all them choises when you want to compile your own kernel? Why dont they have a custom thing where you can mark on, or off stuff?
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2258 [18:39:35] <greycat> I stopped building my own kernels shortly after 2.6.
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2261 [18:39:59] <greycat> Your question might be better suited to ##linux
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2265 [18:41:34] <mernilio> And that makes me angry. Why cant one ask a question, only to be re-directed to another channel? Dont you people have an opinion? :-)
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2267 [18:41:44] <jelly> mernilio: that custom thing may be "make defconfig" and then pick one of the gui *config options (menuconfig, xconfig, whatnot) and do your customization. Kernelnewbies pages and irc may be more helpful.
2268 [18:42:10] <greycat> Why does it make you angry that a question specifically about Linux is directed to ##linux instead of #debian?
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2272 [18:42:46] <jelly> mernilio: not here no give opinions, but best help possible. If I think you can get best help possible for your question in a different channel, then you get pointed to a different channel.
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2275 [18:43:23] <mycae> Hi, I'm getting hangs when using applications that make use of the KDE File chooser. This is on stretch. Eventually something times out and the chooser shows, but it takes several minutes. If I run strace, I can see the following error that seems to correspond to the timeout "Failed enumerating UDisks2 objects: "org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.TimedOut". Is there a way to fix this?
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2277 [18:43:37] <mernilio> Okay, i could complain in kernel, that would be the right channel. I aggree!
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2284 [18:44:41] <mernilio> But then i would have Linus and Alan Cox towards me .. and that would be a sure defeat!
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2286 [18:45:06] <mernilio> And i dont like surrender! :-)
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2288 [18:45:25] <jelly> mycae: which debian release is this? kde apps can sometimes get wonky if you do upgrades and not log off and back on after that.
2289 [18:45:28] <petn-randall> I'd be very surprised if they would even respond to that.
2290 [18:45:32] <donofrio> can you sum the contents of a directory or just sum a directory to see if a copy "matches" completely?
2291 [18:45:39] <paqcito> I did a test on this command "rsync -aHAXxv --numeric-ids --delete --progress -e user@<source>:<source_dir> <dest_dir>" and it didn't delete anything, but this time since there are less files, it let me see what it did, it said at the beggining, "sending incremental file list", showed the files into the /testfolder and the same message at the end "sent 2,065 bytes received 5,509 bytes 15,148.00 bytes/sec total size is 2,294,886,
2292 [18:45:42] <greycat> donofrio: try rsync -n
2293 [18:45:55] <jelly> and --checksum
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2295 [18:46:12] <jelly> and some recursion options probably
2296 [18:46:39] <mernilio> petn-randall: I have had good conversations with RMS. He is quit friendly if you are honest and with good questions.
2297 [18:46:40] <donofrio> ok so "sum <directory>" doens't take into account contents of directory ok
2298 [18:47:14] <greycat> There's a command called "sum"? And you're actually *using* it?!
2299 [18:47:22] <jelly> donofrio: are you talking about using the actual /usr/bin/sum tool?
2300 [18:47:26] <donofrio> yes, yes I am
2301 [18:47:28] <greycat> Why?!
2302 [18:47:29] <donofrio> yep
2303 [18:47:42] <greycat> if you want to make directory A look like directory B, you use rsync.
2304 [18:47:45] <donofrio> it's needed to compare ear files to ensure they are 'the same'
2305 [18:47:46] <jelly> that does 16-bit crc checksums, not very safe
2306 [18:48:12] <donofrio> not worrying about safty just fingerprint to ensure they are the same
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2308 [18:48:31] <mernilio> Btw: is there a best crypto and hash combined as you know?
2309 [18:48:45] <jelly> if you want to record and store checksums, sha256sum or md5sum would be less prone to accidental collisions
2310 [18:49:17] <donofrio> agreed but does md5sum on a directory take into account the contents or nope just do each files resurevisly
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2312 [18:49:33] <jelly> it's only used on spearate files, not dirs.
2313 [18:49:41] <donofrio> k
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2316 [18:49:49] <mycae> jelly, its survived many reboots
2317 [18:49:57] <mycae> this is stretch
2318 [18:50:08] <mycae> was originally testing
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2321 [18:50:59] <jelly> paqcito: so maybe it really had nothing to delete
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2323 [18:51:22] <mycae> systemd shows udsisk2.service as "inactive (dead)"
2324 [18:51:34] <paqcito> jelly: why not? Doesn't it have to delete every file wich is not on the source?
2325 [18:52:08] <jelly> paqcito: correct
2326 [18:52:25] <paqcito> jelly: Any of them weren't on the source
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2329 [18:52:59] <_DannyK_> hey guys, is journalctl the only way to get boot-time fsck log? My / was marked dirty and now after boot fsck I'm uncertain whether it needs a reinstall or not, as it is quite a fresh install ...
2330 [18:53:05] <jelly> paqcito: it's hard to say much more without looking at actual command line and output and an example of ls -ld showing a path exists on destination but not source
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2333 [18:53:17] <mycae> udisks2 is at 2.1.8-1
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2337 [18:53:44] <paqcito> It was a test that I just did, because since I'm a newbie using linux, early in the morning I run the command with no knowing about what the command actually do
2338 [18:53:49] <jelly> mycae: pastebin the output of "systemctl status udisks2.service", run as root
2339 [18:53:58] <paqcito> jelly: Would you like to do the test again?
2340 [18:54:07] <paqcito> jelly: I can share with you info about it
2341 [18:54:18] <jelly> I wouldn't. YOU might.
2342 [18:54:24] <jelly> !ask
2343 [18:54:24] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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2345 [18:54:32] <jelly> !paste
2346 [18:54:33] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: replaced-url
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2349 [18:55:26] <paqcito> jelly: thanks
2350 [18:55:30] <mycae> replaced-url
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2352 [18:55:50] <mycae> it wont start, but NFI why.
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2355 [18:57:05] <mycae> maybe also relevant replaced-url
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2357 [18:57:19] <jelly> so it killed itself after 90 seconds
2358 [18:57:22] <spacebug^> #corebird
2359 [18:57:24] <spacebug^> bah
2360 [18:57:35] <jelly> mycae: probably best ask in
2361 [18:57:38] <jelly> !debian-next
2362 [18:57:38] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
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2369 [18:59:14] <raynold> ahh it's a wonderful day
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2371 [19:00:02] <mycae> jelly, thanks
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2383 [19:04:42] <_DannyK_> hey guys, is journalctl the only way to get boot-time fsck log? My / was marked dirty and now after boot fsck I'm uncertain whether it needs a reinstall or not, as it is quite a fresh install ...
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2387 [19:06:12] <st_iron> hi
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2391 [19:07:06] <vvor> _DannyK_: reinstall what?
2392 [19:07:11] <johnfg> hi folks
2393 [19:07:26] <johnfg> I'm running debian scratch in a new vm installation.
2394 [19:07:30] <_DannyK_> vvor: Stretch here
2395 [19:07:34] <johnfg> DE is xfce4.
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2398 [19:07:54] <johnfg> Any reason why ~/.bash_profile isn't getting read automatically?
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2400 [19:08:57] <ChmEarl> johnfg, is it 644?
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2403 [19:10:15] <ChmEarl> johnfg, try: source .bashrc <-- might have a syntax error
2404 [19:10:38] <vvor> _DannyK_: reinstall what? whats in /run/initramfs/fsck.log
2405 [19:10:52] <johnfg> ChmEarl: yes
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2410 [19:12:52] <victorqueiroz> Hello guys
2411 [19:13:31] <Kenran> Hey guys, how can I find out where my GRUB is currently installed? I remember having problems installing debian side by side with win10 and trying two locations. Now running the command proposed in replaced-url
2412 [19:13:40] <Kenran> Is there a way to find out which one is actually in use?
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2418 [19:14:43] <koollman> Kenran: they are potentially both in use, it depends which one your bios used. no easy way to know which is which
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2422 [19:16:19] <_DannyK_> vvor: It's empty
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2426 [19:17:16] <Kenran> koollman: Hum damn. What I can say is that /dev/sda is where Win10 is installed, and /dev/sdc is where Linux is living
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2428 [19:17:39] <Kenran> Since Win10 was on here before Linux at all, I guess /dev/sda should be a safe bet for the MBR?
2429 [19:18:02] <koollman> Kenran: safe bet, yes. you could have changed disk boot orders in the bios, though
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2432 [19:18:50] <Kenran> koollman: I will check that, don't remember doing it at least :) Thanks!
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2442 [19:21:07] <cronicx> Hey Debian ppl, strange problem while installing liobacl1-dev
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2444 [19:21:23] <cronicx> libacl1-dev : Depends: libacl1 (= 2.2.52-2) but 2.2.52-3 is to be installed
2445 [19:21:23] <cronicx> E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages
2446 [19:22:35] <_DannyK_> vvor: replaced-url
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2466 [19:33:22] <_DannyK_> Could anyone help me please ... I need to find fsck log from boot-time and my journal is gone
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2468 [19:33:51] <mutante> _DannyK_: "dmesg" ?
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2470 [19:35:08] <_DannyK_> mutante: dmesg | grep gives nothing about fsck for /
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2472 [19:35:56] <mutante> hmm.. and then i'm already at the end of my ideas, sorry
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2485 [19:39:54] <vvor> _DannyK_: why do you need the log, what is actualy the problem?
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2490 [19:41:39] <_DannyK_> vvor: I had a lock-up recently before boot ended. Then my / was marked dirty. I ran update-initramfs so that fsck.ext3 is included into initramfs. Then rebooted. Now I would like to know if fsck made any changes to my filesystem.
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2494 [19:42:31] <_DannyK_> vvor: And I can not because I do not have systemd journal file.
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2498 [19:43:25] <_DannyK_> vvor: So I am trying to find other ways to get boot-time fsck output.
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2510 [19:48:22] <vvor> _DannyK_: anything in /var/log/fsck/checkfs
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2512 [19:50:23] <vvor> _DannyK_: did you run fsck.ext3 after you update-initramfs to include it?
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2520 [19:53:17] <_DannyK_> vvor: it was run during boot-time
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2523 [19:54:17] <vvor> _DannyK_: by /forcefsck
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2525 [19:54:27] <_DannyK_> vvor: /var/log/fsck is empty
2526 [19:54:30] <teraflops> vvor: nope
2527 [19:54:51] <teraflops> don't work anymore with systemd
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2529 [19:55:35] <_DannyK_> teraflops: so it is just /var/log/journal or nothing?
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2532 [19:55:56] <teraflops> i meant won't. blame my phone
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2536 [19:56:24] <teraflops> _DannyK_: sorry I wasn't following your issue
2537 [19:56:53] <_DannyK_> teraflops: my machine had a lockup during boot recently
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2539 [19:57:36] <_DannyK_> teraflops: I use a ssd so I symlinked /var/log -> /run to save on writes (I know now, stupid idea)
2540 [19:57:37] <vvor> _DannyK_: can you journalctl -b
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2544 [19:58:35] <_DannyK_> teraflops: Now I have no persistent journal
2545 [19:58:43] <teraflops> _DannyK_: id your SSD is recent it won't hurt it
2546 [19:58:52] <teraflops> if^
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2548 [19:59:23] <_DannyK_> teraflops: journalctl -b shows
2549 [19:59:27] <teraflops> but what's the issue?
2550 [19:59:31] <_DannyK_> teraflops: -- Logs begin at Wed 2017-05-24 15:17:01 CEST, end at Wed 2017-05-24 19:22:06 CEST. --
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2552 [19:59:51] <teraflops> revert what you did
2553 [20:00:03] <vvor> _DannyK_: that is the log for the last boot
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2555 [20:00:09] <_DannyK_> teraflops: The issue is I'm worried that boot-time fsck might have made some significant changes to /
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2560 [20:00:27] <teraflops> also fsck hook is already in the initramfs
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2562 [20:00:32] <_DannyK_> teraflops: And I know of no way to see fsck log from initramfs
2563 [20:00:36] <teraflops> unless you messed with it...
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2565 [20:00:55] <_DannyK_> teraflops: Yes it is there
2566 [20:01:00] <teraflops> sure
2567 [20:01:10] <_DannyK_> teraflops: But I would like to know if there were any changes made by fsck
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2569 [20:01:25] <_DannyK_> teraflops: Or just dirty bit cleared
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2572 [20:01:51] <_DannyK_> teraflops: I'm still on the same boot, no reboot since
2573 [20:01:58] <vvor> _DannyK_: dont see any significant changes it would make without you seeing them.
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2575 [20:02:15] <teraflops> idk what you did to your journal. if your SSD is relatively new having logs there won't hurt
2576 [20:02:24] <vvor> if the check was made on this boot
2577 [20:02:39] <_DannyK_> vvor: yes
2578 [20:02:40] <teraflops> even swap won't hurt
2579 [20:02:55] <_DannyK_> vvor: no reboot since fsck
2580 [20:04:00] <vvor> _DannyK_: so you are most likely ok
2581 [20:04:09] <_DannyK_> teraflops: I'm not worried about the SSD now, just uncertain whether I need a debian reinstall because of that boot-time fsck
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2589 [20:05:07] <teraflops> _DannyK_: boot the installer iso or any live iso and fsck it for the sake of your sanity
2590 [20:05:07] <_DannyK_> teraflops: fsck says clean now, but what did it do before the dirty bit was cleared? I don't know ...
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2592 [20:05:34] <vvor> _DannyK_: if HD is ok now, you can check and SMART check too, you are ok
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2594 [20:05:37] <teraflops> then you're fine I think
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2611 [20:13:21] <armin> hi. any way to remove this warning message from apt? "WARNING: apt does not have a stable CLI interface. Use with caution in scripts." it's actually WAY more annoying to always have to take care of that one when doing on-the-fly work in interactive shells than the chance of forgetting about its unstable cli interface when embedding it into scripts (because i just don't do that).
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2613 [20:14:02] <greycat> What are you doing that produces this message? On which version of Debian?
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2618 [20:14:32] <armin> greycat: i do "apt search something | grep something" a lot, that's all.
2619 [20:14:42] <greycat> Hmm, piping apt's output through cat does it on stretch.
2620 [20:14:52] <armin> yup.
2621 [20:14:55] <greycat> So just ignore it.
2622 [20:15:26] <armin> probably the best thing i can do.
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2658 [20:34:06] <at0m> armin: if i understand correctly, on the command line that's ok. scripts however, may expect some more predictable result
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2684 [20:49:37] <armin> at0m: the thing is that i simply want an option to apt to disable this warning. i know what i'm doing after all these years of seeing that warning message.
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2687 [20:51:16] <n4dir> is there any advantage to use apt instead of apt-get or aptitude ? (for you, that is).
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2689 [20:51:33] <armin> yes. having to type 4 keypresses less.
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2691 [20:52:48] <greycat> New and exciting errors!
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2697 [20:54:36] <greycat> The "apt" command is supposed to replace both apt-get and apt-cache, but it's not quite there. It doesn't have all the features of the older commands. aptitude... is some bizarre alien thing and some people love, and most people just ignore.
2698 [20:54:40] <n4dir> armin: command expansion, history expanasion, etc.
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2701 [20:55:07] <n4dir> oh, new errors. now that is always a good thing.
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2704 [20:55:51] <n4dir> another option is to learn typing ... :-)
2705 [20:55:57] <at0m> armin: ah, i see =)
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2709 [20:56:50] <at0m> n4dir: plus they all behave a little different. 'aptitude search' only searches in package names, 'apt search' defaults to searching descriptions, too
2710 [20:57:06] <spectre> just resized my kamailio server on linode to a larger size and the perfectly working server now gives registration timeout
2711 [20:57:08] <SoyUnEmilio> Hi!, I'm trying to install docker-compose in debian but I cann't. apt-get install docker-compose returns: E: No se ha podido localizar el paquete docker-compose
2712 [20:57:20] <spectre> i changed nothing
2713 [20:57:21] <at0m> ,v docker-compose
2714 [20:57:23] <judd> Package: docker-compose on amd64 -- sid: 1.8.0-2; stretch: 1.8.0-2
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2716 [20:57:40] <at0m> SoyUnEmilio: seems it only exists in testing and sid
2717 [20:57:44] <spectre> only resized the server....
2718 [20:57:46] <greycat> aptitude allows unique line noise syntax for specifying things to search, and you'll have to track down the file in /usr/share/doc/aptitude/ that documents them, because they're not in the manual.
2719 [20:58:16] <n4dir> hmmm, i think apt-cache also searches descriptions, you have to turn that of by adding "--names-only"
2720 [20:58:26] <greycat> n4dir: correct
2721 [20:58:30] <at0m> greycat: will check that out
2722 [20:58:31] <spectre> more puzzling still is that i restarted in the correct order all the services and still nothing
2723 [20:58:35] <armin> at0m: i just think it would be convenient to add a command line switch to disable that warning so everyone who's annoyed by it gets the freedom to create an alias for apt in interactive shells.
2724 [20:58:39] <n4dir> thanks, greycat, it's been a while
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2726 [20:58:45] <spectre> firewall is fine
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2728 [20:59:05] <at0m> armin: makes sense
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2730 [20:59:24] <armin> at0m: sure i can just ignore warning messages that popup (whyever i have to remember xscreensaver right now is probably completely unrelated)
2731 [20:59:29] <greycat> Also: apt-cache search writes one line for each package found, while apt search writes multiple lines, with terminal colors added.
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2765 [21:13:12] <Igramul> Hi, can someone point me to a manual on how to activate automatic updates before shutdown on Debian Jessie?
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2767 [21:13:37] <Igramul> I guess, I have configured it but somehow missed a service activation.
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2787 [21:19:08] <SoyUnEmilio> Ok, thanks you very much! I'll install stretch! :(
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2798 [21:22:24] <snowts> hi there how can I safely remove a package without breaking the system?
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2801 [21:23:25] <greycat> "apt-get remove pkgname", and as to whether it will break things, that depends on what you remove
2802 [21:23:26] <snowts> I mean if I uninstall a xfce package (e.g. xfburn) it will remove the entire xfce
2803 [21:23:27] <n4dir> snowts: if you will use (for exampe): apt-get remove <package-name> ; it will tell you what else it might remove. You will then have to decide if that is what you want.
2804 [21:23:39] <greycat> ,info xfce
2805 [21:23:40] <judd> No package named 'xfce' was found in jessie/amd64.
2806 [21:23:42] <greycat> ,info xfce4
2807 [21:23:43] <judd> Package xfce4 (xfce, optional) in jessie/amd64: Meta-package for the Xfce Lightweight Desktop Environment. Version: 4.10.1; Size: 7.7k; Installed: 31k; Homepage: replaced-url
2808 [21:23:45] <n4dir> but it won't "break the system" at all (it might remove stuff you didn't want to remove)
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2811 [21:24:05] <greycat> If it wants to remove "xfce4", that is just a meta-package, not "the entire xfce"
2812 [21:24:40] <snowts> ,info xfburn
2813 [21:24:41] <judd> Package xfburn (xfce, optional) in jessie/amd64: CD-burner application for Xfce Desktop Environment. Version: 0.5.2-1; Size: 380.9k; Installed: 2306k; Homepage: replaced-url
2814 [21:25:33] <n4dir> not sure if having xfburn installed bug me, if i had xfce4 installed.
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2817 [21:26:49] <snowts> also removing lightdm will remove networkmanager, wpa-supplicant
2818 [21:27:04] <snowts> I just reinstalled debian since it broke
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2820 [21:27:40] <greycat> That doesn't sound right. Removing a display manager shouldn't remove network-manager.
2821 [21:28:23] <n4dir> besides that: if apt-get removes something, i just let it do it and reinstall what i wanted to keep.
2822 [21:28:25] <snowts> replaced-url
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2824 [21:28:40] <snowts> well I can't do it without network
2825 [21:29:13] <greycat> 24. The following packages will be REMOVED:
2826 [21:29:14] <greycat> 25. light-locker lightdm task-xfce-desktop
2827 [21:29:21] <greycat> Nothing about networking stuff.
2828 [21:29:58] <snowts> replaced-url
2829 [21:30:09] <greycat> It's a META PACKAGE.
2830 [21:30:20] <greycat> Everything that starts with task- is a meta-package.
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2835 [21:32:09] <n4dir> this way or that way there is a how-to at forums.debian.net regarding metapackages. As i don't use them, i can't say wether it is a good how-to or not
2836 [21:32:49] <n4dir> replaced-url
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2846 [21:34:57] <snowts> thank you I'll have a look
2847 [21:35:22] <snowts> but why would it be enabled by default? it's a big design flaw
2848 [21:36:10] <snowts> I can't even believe I had to reinstall debian 2 times already
2849 [21:36:25] <greycat> what on earth are you talking about
2850 [21:36:37] <greycat> removing task-whatever has NO EFFECT on your computer
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2853 [21:37:37] <snowts> if you eventually use 'autoremove' it will uninstall all those listed packages
2854 [21:37:47] <n4dir> i see to options: a) install a full metapackage during installation and live with the way the metapackage is or b) don't install it, but install what you want after installation. (or c) get your head into how to remove the parts of the metapackage you don't want, but keeping the rest).
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2856 [21:37:59] <greycat> So. Do. Not. Use. Autoremove.
2857 [21:38:00] <greycat> Duh!
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2859 [21:39:00] <greycat> apt-get has an option to remove things and break your computer? Solution: don't run that. rm also has an option to remove files and break your computer. Solution: don't run that.
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2862 [21:40:50] <n4dir> isn't there something like --keep-all ?
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2866 [21:42:48] <snowts> at least 'rm' will not remove my entire home dir
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2868 [21:42:51] <snowts> if I ask it to remve a random folder
2869 [21:43:15] <greycat> You are just making shit up, and it's pissing me off.
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2871 [21:43:45] <greycat> apt-get remove ... WILL NOT invoke the autoremove functionality. You have to actually type "autoremove" for that.
2872 [21:44:07] <n4dir> and whatever was removed can be reinstalled in the blink of an eye.
2873 [21:44:11] <greycat> Just like you have to actually type -rf "$HOME" or whatever, to make rm do that.
2874 [21:45:36] <n4dir> if you see "Do you really want to break your system? Type 'YES' to continue" then you might to take a second to think before typing 'YES'
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2876 [21:46:34] <snowts> I'm not 'makin shit up', actually I'm composed even though I just reinstalled debian
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2882 [21:47:16] <snowts> the issue is why the he** removing a single package would trigger such a dangerous situation
2883 [21:47:28] <greycat> It DOESN'T.
2884 [21:47:32] <greycat> You are MAKING SHIT UP.
2885 [21:47:50] <greycat> You even POSTED THE GOD DAMNED OUTPUT showing that it only removes light-locker and one task-* metapackage.
2886 [21:47:54] <prussian> well read the list of packages next time. lol
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2889 [21:48:05] <prussian> it kinda lets you know what it's going to remove
2890 [21:48:06] <n4dir> lol, what a nickname prussian
2891 [21:48:17] <prussian> ty
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2893 [21:48:27] <snowts> yeah it only removes those 3, and mark half of my system as useless
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2895 [21:48:38] <greycat> *plonk*
2896 [21:48:53] <n4dir> instead of discussing here you could have read the thread at forums debian.
2897 [21:49:34] <greycat> Apparently his ACTUAL CONCERN is that he doesn't want things to be marked for autoremoval, because apparently he intends to USE the autoremove functionality at some point in the future.
2898 [21:49:36] <n4dir> then aks here is the proposed solution[s] make any sense. I sure can't say, as i don't install the GUI via taskel
2899 [21:49:45] <greycat> Of course he couldn't SAY that, because brain damage.
2900 [21:49:46] <snowts> yeah
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2902 [21:50:15] <prussian> lol?
2903 [21:50:21] <snowts> if I'm removing things, it's obvious I don't like random things in my system
2904 [21:50:28] <n4dir> no, no prussians never lol.
2905 [21:50:32] <prussian> what did you remove that marked like your whole system?
2906 [21:50:45] <snowts> xfburn (a random dvd burner, I don't even have one)
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2909 [21:50:52] <snowts> lightdm (startx is faster)
2910 [21:50:57] <prussian> is that some xfce thing?
2911 [21:50:59] <greycat> prussian: replaced-url
2912 [21:51:01] <snowts> yeah
2913 [21:51:13] <prussian> if yes. then ya idk. avoid meta packages I guess
2914 [21:51:22] <prussian> you can just leave it installed worst case.
2915 [21:51:35] <n4dir> yup, that would be my solution too. most easy and natural
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2917 [21:52:11] <greycat> My solution is that I never, ever, ever, ever, ever, under ANY CIRCUMSTANCES, use "apt-get autoremove".
2918 [21:52:26] <prussian> you don't NEED to use lightdm even if it's installed
2919 [21:52:31] <greycat> So I do not CARE what gets marked for autoremova.
2920 [21:52:31] <n4dir> oh ? i used it all the time, without much problems.
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2922 [21:52:33] <prussian> well
2923 [21:52:50] <prussian> ya I guess. I never had problem with apt autoremove
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2925 [21:53:13] <snowts> I don't want to have it installed lol
2926 [21:53:13] <prussian> at least review what you're doing lol...
2927 [21:53:19] <teraflops> n4dir: sometimes it uninstall things that you need. unless you explicitly installed them
2928 [21:53:32] <snowts> removing shit wouldn't make pacman to mark half of the system as useless
2929 [21:53:37] <snowts> neither would yum
2930 [21:53:39] <n4dir> yeah, teraflops , it sometimes happened. I reinstalled them.
2931 [21:53:42] <prussian> ya I don't blame you. I prefer startx too
2932 [21:53:48] <n4dir> didn't happen often though.
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2934 [21:54:03] <prussian> but then again I'm using gdm now and I just don't care.
2935 [21:54:13] <greycat> I use startx too.
2936 [21:54:36] <n4dir> snowts: all is said. Look through the logs, you will find the relevant info.
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2939 [21:56:19] <prussian> anyhow. idk. read the list if packages. that's pretty much it.
2940 [21:56:39] <prussian> if you just blindly hit enter or -y you're on your own
2941 [21:56:58] <prussian> and why does autocorrect insert ' all the time
2942 [21:58:27] <snowts> thank you, I'm reading the list of packages, that's why I came here
2943 [21:58:28] <snowts> [16:22] <snowts> hi there how can I safely remove a package without breaking the system?
2944 [21:59:04] <snowts> isn't there a 'sudo apt-get remove lightdm --package-only"?
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2951 [21:59:28] <tw> you mean without dependencies?
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2954 [21:59:51] <snowts> yeah
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2956 [21:59:55] <llucenic> hello, I would like to ask for help with prospective reporting of a potential problem I encountered while doing DNS server setup on my Debian 8.8 machine.
2957 [22:00:00] <n4dir> you want me to read the how-to and post what you have to do? So we are done with it?
2958 [22:00:04] <llucenic> the problem is on the wiki, in BIND section
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2962 [22:02:29] <snowts> well it was a simple question, yet you guys kept accusing me of making shit up
2963 [22:02:43] <n4dir> the answers have been simple too.
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2965 [22:03:00] <Walex> snowts: there are various ssetings, but as a rule APT does not remove packages that are needed.
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2967 [22:03:50] <Walex> snowts: however it can happen that if 'lightdm' is a dependency on another package, that package will be removed too, and that might trigger removing its dependencies, which may be loads.
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2970 [22:04:37] <Walex> snowts: are you aware of the manually installed/automatically installed flag?
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2973 [22:05:10] <DammitJim> do you guys know of a product that can monitor a log file for a specific string and send a customized email alert?
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2975 [22:05:17] <snowts> I'm reading the documentation atm, are you talking about 'apt-mark manual' ?
2976 [22:05:18] <Walex> DammitJim: yes.
2977 [22:05:31] <greycat> DammitJim: tail -F logfile | while read -r line; do if [[ $line = *badthing* ]]; then mailx ...; fi; done
2978 [22:05:32] <prussian> DammitJim: just use syslog and a log transport
2979 [22:05:34] <prussian> lol
2980 [22:05:39] <Walex> snowts: yes, that kind of thing. That can influence what is removed when a package is removed.
2981 [22:05:48] <prussian> that works too I guess
2982 [22:06:11] <DammitJim> oh ok, but we would need to "script" all that
2983 [22:06:22] <DammitJim> it's weird... I know I can do it, but they don't want me to develop anything
2984 [22:06:36] <Walex> snowts: to navigate dependencies I use 'aptitude' and I have written a nice guide to that.
2985 [22:06:47] <DammitJim> for this requirement (which btw, I think should be part of the actual application that generates the log)
2986 [22:06:47] <prussian> you can use grep in the if or bash's ere thing =~ if you're using [[
2987 [22:07:06] <Walex> DammitJim: you don't need to write anything, there are some ready-made log alerters around.
2988 [22:07:07] <greycat> There are lots of things you can do. I just threw out a simple example.
2989 [22:07:09] <prussian> I would still use syslog....
2990 [22:07:11] <DammitJim> so, any apps that do something like this out of the box?
2991 [22:07:17] <prussian> it kind of exists for this
2992 [22:07:22] <Walex> DammitJim: yes, there are a few.,
2993 [22:07:48] <DammitJim> maybe I'm using the wrong keywords when googling this
2994 [22:07:53] <DammitJim> what keywords should I use?
2995 [22:08:17] <greycat> See, my thing took me 10 seconds to write, and you guys couldn't even come up with the NAME of a pre-existing one in several minutes.
2996 [22:08:18] <Walex> DammitJim: depends on exactly you want to do.
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2999 [22:09:50] <DammitJim> so, I have an application that was developed in house and they want "something" to look at the logs for when a webservice request is made and returned status is not 200
3000 [22:09:55] <llucenic> DammitJim: I use Zabbix and Graylog for this purpose
3001 [22:09:55] <koollman> fail2ban does that. mail is one of the possible action, and it watches log files looking for matching regex
3002 [22:09:59] <DammitJim> the returned data will actually say what the problem is
3003 [22:10:00] <Walex> DammitJim: a very simple package is called 'sec' a far more comprehensive one 'dogpile'
3004 [22:10:06] <greycat> DammitJim: how are the logs written?
3005 [22:10:09] <prussian> syslog transport to whatever named pipe or socket which has a script listening on it.... I imagine there are syslog integrated tools for this
3006 [22:10:16] <DammitJim> it's an app that runs in tomcat
3007 [22:10:17] <llucenic> Zabbix is a bit better in this case
3008 [22:10:40] <prussian> o
3009 [22:10:43] <DammitJim> ugh... we are just starting to look into Zabbix but the guy I have working on it is taking ages to configure it
3010 [22:10:51] <DammitJim> so, sec
3011 [22:10:53] <DammitJim> searching
3012 [22:10:55] <greycat> DammitJim: are the logs done through syslog()? Or does the daemon just append to a file that grows forever? Or does it append to a file until you send a SIGHUP and then it reopens? Or ...?
3013 [22:11:25] <DammitJim> I think I have logrotate rotating the file when it gets to a certain size
3014 [22:11:44] <prussian> well tomcat with the right .properties starts spewing access logs everywhere
3015 [22:11:45] <DammitJim> but I think tomcat does its own logging?
3016 [22:11:46] <greycat> Then tail -F will probably work.
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3018 [22:11:55] <prussian> I just collect them and feed it into syslog
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3021 [22:12:29] <prussian> it can log for you if you configure the .properties
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3026 [22:13:39] <DammitJim> and you guys said dogpile?
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3032 [22:15:06] <DammitJim> Zabbix, huh?
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3039 [22:16:06] <Stameni> hello, does anyone know some good free UML editor on Debian ?
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3042 [22:17:51] <Walex> Stameni: if you are into that horror there is a specialize Java one (names escapes me at the moment) and possibly 'dia'
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3047 [22:18:38] <Walex> Stameni: 'apt-cache search uml editor' lists them all I guess
3048 [22:18:59] <Stameni> Walex: thank you, I`ll check
3049 [22:19:26] <Walex> I think that the Java one is "umbrello".
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3051 [22:19:33] <Walex> tcm
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3054 [22:20:22] <ballessay> isn't umbrello the kde one?
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3082 [22:37:43] <Stameni> Walex: it was "Dia", however, i found violet uml editor to be just the tool for the job, there is .deb version
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3193 [23:37:46] <brontosaurusrex> Running stretch on macpro and function keys are not working, what can i do?
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3196 [23:38:36] <johnkeates> go to #debian-next on OFTC
3197 [23:38:39] <johnkeates> they will help you
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