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79 [00:49:56] <ryouma> will the two packages, weather (which just needs a few lines changed) and torbrow ser-launcher (which possibly has a similarly trivial problem with version numbers), ever be fixed in jessie? they have been broken forever.
80 [00:50:28] <ryouma> by broken i mean, does not work at all. including backports versions.
81 [00:51:49] <alesan> so I have mounted a rootfs with sshfs and I have chrooted into it
82 [00:52:55] <alesan> replaced-url
83 [00:53:10] <alesan> error setting ownership of symlink `/usr/lib/arm-linux-gnueabi/libsane.so.1.dpkg-new':
84 [00:53:16] <alesan> how can I debug this problem
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103 [01:10:30] <Brigo> alesan, it looks like you have a bunch of problems in the filesystem
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105 [01:11:27] <alesan> Brigo, well I forgot to mount /sys/ and /proc
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107 [01:11:39] <alesan> but when I did... pretty much same issue
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109 [01:12:09] <Brigo> alesan, it is the filesystem itself, wrong permissions.
110 [01:12:37] <alesan> I am running this as root. strange
111 [01:12:41] <alesan> let me check...
112 [01:13:38] <Brigo> alesan, wrong permissions don't mean you haven't enought, it means the file has the wrong permissions.
113 [01:13:56] <Brigo> or the directory
114 [01:14:11] <Brigo> sorry, i have to go to sleep. Good luck there.
115 [01:14:16] <alesan> that directory it is talking about is created by dpkg itself
116 [01:14:28] <alesan> it is not there before the command. OK bye
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209 [02:19:27] <chuck__> Hi! Do you know how to disable kernel watchdog (watchdogd) via kernel boot parameters, please?
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211 [02:21:16] <missmbob> nmi_watchdog=0
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213 [02:23:27] <chuck__> missmbob: watchdogd is still there accoring to ps -A
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216 [02:24:20] <missmbob> it kills the kernel interface. i dont think you can stop a daemon from starting from kernel parameters
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218 [02:25:05] <chuck__> missmbob: isn't watchdogd a kernel daemon?
219 [02:25:26] <missmbob> there are two sides to it. kernel and userspace. like iptables
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221 [02:26:47] <chuck__> missmbob: yes, so... what's launching the userspace part? systemd I guess? tried masking it (systemd mask watchdog) but it does not do anything
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224 [02:27:30] <chuck__> missmbob: any idea on how to avoid the userspace watchdogd daemon from being launched?
225 [02:28:09] <missmbob> that's my guess. never even heard of someone doing this with watchdogd, though. systemctl disable servicename doesnt work?
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235 [02:31:24] <chuck__> missmbob: no, systemctl does not disable it either...
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239 [02:32:33] <missmbob> chuck__: this says nothing about disabling the userspace. so i dont think you do. replaced-url
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249 [02:36:10] <chuck__> missmbob: thanks
250 [02:36:21] <chuck__> time to end my experiments for today!
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285 [02:55:40] <mvaenskae> cheers, a quick question -- how can i find out what files a certain package has installed?
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289 [02:56:09] <missmbob> using dpkg -L package
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292 [02:57:59] <mvaenskae> missmbob: thanks :) having some small library issues and i am confused how to fix this
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296 [03:00:05] <persiandrugs> test
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298 [03:00:29] <mvaenskae> passed
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313 [03:07:19] <mvaenskae> hm, liby and libl are installed... why does the tool not find them?
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337 [03:24:09] <abrotman> mvaenskae: we need more detail, what are you actually trying to do?
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341 [03:25:02] <mvaenskae> ah, now the error makes sense -- doing cross compilation for armhf and the linker cannot find libl and liby -- i have installed the amd64 packages, not the armhf ones :/
342 [03:25:10] <mvaenskae> how could instal the arm ones as well?
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345 [03:25:42] <missmbob> !multiarch howto
346 [03:25:42] <dpkg> i guess multiarch howto is replaced-url
347 [03:26:42] <mvaenskae> thanks, i was an idiot for not seeing this :)
348 [03:28:12] <missmbob> my sponsor would be very displeased at your self deprecation... :P
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352 [03:30:46] <mvaenskae> well, i have been running multilib and multiarch setups prior... this is a very simple mistake i shouldn't have had
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360 [03:35:05] <mvaenskae> hm, seems like i have to build my own chain of tools for multiarch to really work properly :/
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363 [03:38:06] <mvaenskae> alright, chrooting it shall be from the looks... *ouch*
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377 [03:45:19] <DammitJim> my computer seems to have crashed twice
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380 [03:47:00] <DammitJim> but where do I find the logs on debian?
381 [03:47:12] <DammitJim> the system stopped logging like 2 days ago
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448 [04:37:17] <koris> I came here previously asking if someone might know why my BIOS doesn't seem to be accepting keyboard input (can't go into BIOS settings or boot selection, but the keyboard works fine in GRUB and after that), but now I've tried two keyboards and it didn't work for either so I think this is a BIOS problem
449 [04:37:36] <koris> I know this is off topic in the debian channel since this is about the BIOS but I don't know where else to ask for help
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451 [04:37:52] <koris> so I wonder if anyone here has some idea other than trying more keyboards...
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453 [04:39:43] <Tramp> koris: I had this once with a wireless KB. Put in a wired (USB) KB and it worked fine.
454 [04:39:59] <koris> both of the keyboards I tried were wired though
455 [04:40:20] <koris> and they are both USB
456 [04:40:28] <Tramp> ok - then it's a different issue apparently.
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458 [04:41:59] <Tramp> was different for me, now that I re-read your initial description. For me it worked up unitl grub and then failed once the Kernel was loaded
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463 [04:43:10] <koris> oh, huh.
464 [04:43:15] <koris> thanks for trying to help though
465 [04:43:23] <koris> I do appreciate it
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472 [04:51:07] <fundies> there a guide on installing amdgpu-pro anywhere? I cant find
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475 [04:52:42] <fundies> I changed ubuntu to debian in the install script but im getting replaced-url
476 [04:53:27] <uxfi> im dancing
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478 [04:53:59] <fundies> It has all the debs it whines about in the directory
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520 [05:24:37] <Hoolootwo> fundies, I didn't have good luck installing it on debian or gentoo
521 [05:24:48] <Hoolootwo> I finally got it to work on ubuntu 16.04 of all things
522 [05:25:04] <Hoolootwo> if you can do anything but run amdgpu-pro, I would recommend it
523 [05:26:24] <fundies> I wanted to try some wine staging stuff that needs ogl 4.5
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525 [05:28:59] <fundies> also having hdmi audio would be nice :P
526 [05:29:03] <somiaj> fundies: are you running jessie?
527 [05:29:07] <fundies> yes
528 [05:29:31] <somiaj> you most likely won't get that to work in jessie. If you want to use amdgpupro you will need to be running stretch.
529 [05:29:38] <somiaj> then that changing the script to debian should work.
530 [05:29:42] <fundies> oh i meant strretch
531 [05:29:48] <fundies> i forget names
532 [05:30:11] <fundies> im technically on archlinux but im making debian in chroot atm
533 [05:30:26] <Hoolootwo> a chroot won't be enough for amdgpu
534 [05:30:35] <Hoolootwo> you need kernel modules
535 [05:30:36] <fundies> i know ima boot into it
536 [05:30:46] <somiaj> !bat
537 [05:30:46] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
538 [05:30:56] <Hoolootwo> oh, okay
539 [05:31:01] <fundies> im just installing things atm
540 [05:31:05] <somiaj> fundies: look at apt-cache policy for the full list of packages it lists that have umet depends in stretch, share that output
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543 [05:33:25] <somiaj> wait, those most likely aren't in debian, they all look like they are part of this new repo it setup
544 [05:33:40] <somiaj> do you have multiarch enabled on that setup so it looks for i386 packages.
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565 [05:45:28] <ftpnewb> can anyone help me configure proftpd? or another ftp server? do non-daemon ftp servers exist? I would prefer the program to run under my user, and to write in a folder I control
566 [05:45:44] <ftpnewb> I mean a folder with my user permissions
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569 [05:46:47] <Hoolootwo> I would consider using anything but ftp if that's possible
570 [05:47:18] <Hoolootwo> ftp is a quite antiquated protocol, though it still rarely has uses
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572 [05:49:43] <ftpnewb> will samba be compatible with windows (the internet cafe computer was windows..)
573 [05:49:55] <Hoolootwo> yes
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575 [05:50:17] <ftpnewb> so I should find out how to set up samba in debian jessie?
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580 [05:50:56] <Hoolootwo> uh, that's a solution, not 100% sure if the machines there will allow you to mount network shares
581 [05:51:02] <Hoolootwo> if I were a sysadmin I wouldn't
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586 [05:54:16] <ftpnewb> the "sysadmin" would be there, the reason I thought of ftp, was because windows has ftp client
587 [05:54:34] <ftpnewb> and theres no "security" feature
588 [05:54:47] <ftpnewb> i.e. I don't wish to enter my login on their computer
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748 [07:12:24] <jelly> ftpnewb: so create a temporary account with a temporary password and use that
749 [07:12:43] <ftpnewb> I ended up with pure-ftpd much simpler
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753 [07:16:08] <somiaj> ftpnewb: I would suggest using ssh, and to transfer to a windows machine winscp works over ssh.
754 [07:17:12] <somiaj> oh overlooked, the you want to do this with some temprary/additional login. You can configure a login with ssh that only allows sftp access (no shell access).
755 [07:17:14] <ftpnewb> somiaj: but then I would have to enter my credentials on a computer I cant trust
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760 [07:17:49] <ftpnewb> winscp is standard present on windows?
761 [07:17:57] <somiaj> you could also just make the files available over http with ngnix
762 [07:18:01] <somiaj> and just download with a webbrowser
763 [07:18:07] <somiaj> (unless you want to copy to the machine)
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765 [07:18:25] <ftpnewb> somiaj: its upload from untrusted winows computer towards my linux box
766 [07:18:35] <somiaj> ftpnewb: no, winscp would need to be installed seperatally. There is a command line tool from putty you can use, it is a standalone .exe you can copy onto the machine.
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768 [07:19:01] <ftpnewb> does ftp on windows require admin privileges?
769 [07:19:06] <ftpnewb> the client
770 [07:19:10] <somiaj> no
771 [07:19:24] <somiaj> well it shouldn't, but there is ##windows for that side of the equation
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835 [08:13:04] <greg_> libvdpau-amdgpu-pro:i386 : Depends: libssl1.0.0:i386 (>= 1.0.0) but it is not installable
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837 [08:13:48] <greg_> libssl1.0.2:i386 is already the newest version (1.0.2k-1).
838 [08:14:08] <greg_> libssl1.0.0:i386 is placeholder nonsense
839 [08:14:21] <greg_> how i make it work?
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868 [08:27:00] <Anonymes> hello, you too coudn't upgrade packages in yours debian stretch?
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870 [08:27:40] <Anonymes> I have this on problem on few debian. It report that debian stretch url havent release file.
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874 [08:32:32] <jelly> !bat
875 [08:32:32] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
876 [08:32:36] <jelly> Anonymes: ^^
877 [08:32:51] <jelly> !localized errors
878 [08:32:51] <dpkg> Rather than hoping that we recognise what has gone wrong from the error messages in your native language, please provide any error messages in English. You can do this by setting your locale to an English one (e.g. C) prior to running the command, e.g. «LC_ALL=C apt-get -f install»
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880 [08:33:27] <Anonymes> dpkg: i only want know about your updates , i don't need help
881 [08:33:27] <dpkg> wish i knew, Anonymes
882 [08:33:39] <Anonymes> jelly: realy? :o
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890 [08:37:49] <jelly> Anonymes: really what? If you want to solve the issue, provide all the info. Could be a number of different causes.
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892 [08:38:20] <jelly> "aptitude update" Works For Me™ on stretch.
893 [08:38:45] <Anonymes> jelly: I don't want. I only wannted info about if you have problems with update debian stretch today, nothing else.
894 [08:38:57] <jelly> "no"
895 [08:39:13] <Anonymes> but you try update today? :D
896 [08:39:22] <jelly> one minute ago
897 [08:39:39] <Anonymes> on debian stretch , yes?
898 [08:39:42] <jelly> or else I wouldn't have said it Worked For Me
899 [08:39:52] <jelly> can you read?
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902 [08:40:10] <jelly> [08:38] <jelly> "aptitude update" Works For Me™ on stretch.
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904 [08:40:24] <jelly> that's today, two minutes ago
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909 [08:41:38] <Anonymes> jelly: and you only updating by aptitude
910 [08:41:40] <Anonymes> ?
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912 [08:42:31] <jelly> Anonymes: why does it matter?
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914 [08:42:53] <jelly> apt-get, apt, aptitude all do the same thing for "update"
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918 [08:43:39] <Anonymes> jelly: I doesn't but I wanna know :P I am interested what other users using :P
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923 [08:45:51] <Anonymes> jelly: of course I have on my mind all update process, update && upgrade
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954 [09:06:16] <slax0r> where can I find the info what was changed in a newer package version? concretely I am talking about vim-7.4.488-7+deb8u2 -> vim-7.4.488-7+deb8u3
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958 [09:08:41] <bezaban> slax0r: aptitude changelog vim
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960 [09:10:05] <slax0r> bezaban: thanks
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975 [09:17:47] <Ulrar> Hi, quick question, is there a way with dpkg -b to specify uid / gid for files ? 'cause it looks to me like it either has to generate very dirty .debs, or run as root
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977 [09:17:50] <Ulrar> I don't like either
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991 [09:24:43] <jelly> Ulrar: use fakeroot.
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993 [09:27:52] <Ulrar> Mh, so how does that work, should I chmod / chown everything to root then use fakeroot, or do I keep normal user rights and use fakeroot and that'll generate a deb with root:root inside ?
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1000 [09:35:16] <p4nz3r> hello
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1031 [09:49:02] <Ulrar> Looks like no need to change the ownership before, looks like the resulting deb files contains root:root files
1032 [09:49:06] <Ulrar> That's great, thanks
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1098 [10:22:43] <tp43_> chromium crashes on me, and then when I open it up again, it takes up space on the screen but it is frozen and shows only the background, whats beneath it. So I tried updating system and stuff but same thing. Rebooting resets it, but I hate rebooting, so I was wondering if anyone can help me find out how to reset just chromium without rebooting my computer please.
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1105 [10:33:03] <slax0r> tp43_: did you try `killall -9 chromium` ?
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1107 [10:33:21] <slax0r> chrome and chromium launch a couple of background processes that keep running even as you close the browser window
1108 [10:33:35] <slax0r> unless you've disabled that ofc
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1136 [10:47:07] <tp43_> slax0r, yes
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1138 [10:47:42] <tp43_> slax0r, there or no instances of chromium left, when I do ps -e, but I have to reboot to get it working again
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1211 [11:04:57] <slax0r> tp43_: seems like you have a hell of a debugging session in front of you
1212 [11:05:05] <slax0r> inspect all the logs that you can when problems arise
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1243 [11:17:23] <daemon> hey all I was wondering if someone could help me out with 'lspci' I am looking for a hardware related value and it does not seem to be showing it
1244 [11:17:32] <daemon> as you can see with the image at the top of this page; replaced-url
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1246 [11:17:42] <daemon> I am looking for the 'hdr' value
1247 [11:18:07] <daemon> but I just cannot seem to get lspci to show it, even with a non 0x00 hdr, it still seems to never be shown
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1277 [11:37:38] <mvaenskae> i must be stupid, but this package i cannot find using apt replaced-url
1278 [11:37:57] <mvaenskae> what could the reasons be and how to fix it for amd64 :)
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1283 [11:40:49] <BillKGR> mvaenskae, Apt-cache returns the expected results on me. Alternatively, you could just download it of the link you provided
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1289 [11:43:14] <mvaenskae> this is strange, i only have this here: replaced-url
1290 [11:43:42] <mvaenskae> d'oh
1291 [11:43:47] <BillKGR> mvaenskae, wrong search
1292 [11:43:51] <mvaenskae> i need coffee, the morning is too early
1293 [11:43:55] <mvaenskae> missed a hyphen :(
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1295 [11:44:19] <mvaenskae> thanks for verifying it being again pebkac :)
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1299 [11:44:56] <BillKGR> mvaenskae, that's expected after not having your morning coffee
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1302 [11:47:02] <mvaenskae> i am trying to switch to tea -- healthier and so many moar flavours :)
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1308 [11:48:07] <tp43_> tea is not healthy, well herbal tea without caffeine is ok, but regular tea is bad just like coffee
1309 [11:48:45] <tp43_> but my brain doesn't work without caffeine, coffee work much better than tea, but they say tea is stronger. well a lot more coffee goes into a cup of coffee than tea in tea
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1323 [11:55:51] <SwashBuckla_> Hi there. I need the package `libc6_2.13-2_amd64.deb`, but I can't find it via Google. I've looked on debian Snapshots too, with no success. Any ideas on how I can get this package?
1324 [11:56:07] <petn-randall> ,v libc6
1325 [11:56:08] <judd> Package: libc6 on amd64 -- wheezy: 2.13-38+deb7u10; wheezy-security: 2.13-38+deb7u11; jessie-security: 2.19-18+deb8u3; jessie: 2.19-18+deb8u9; stretch: 2.24-10; sid: 2.24-10
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1327 [11:56:28] <missmbob> this is going to end badly
1328 [11:56:38] <mvaenskae> libc downgrade?
1329 [11:56:39] <petn-randall> !tell SwashBuckla_ -about xy problem
1330 [11:56:44] <missmbob> very very not smart
1331 [11:56:52] <SwashBuckla_> sorry I mean "libc6_2.13-27"
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1333 [11:56:55] <mvaenskae> what could possibly go wrong? :)
1334 [11:57:04] <petn-randall> SwashBuckla_: Check the factoid from dpkg, and then ask your real question.
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1337 [11:58:03] <petn-randall> SwashBuckla_: Downgrading libc6 will likely leave you with an unbootable system, which is why you should tell us about your real problem.
1338 [11:58:34] <SwashBuckla_> It's not a downgrade. That is the version that my system expects. It's broken because I tried to upgrade it!
1339 [11:58:39] <SwashBuckla_> I need to roll it back
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1341 [11:58:53] <petn-randall> !bat
1342 [11:58:53] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
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1344 [11:59:07] <petn-randall> SwashBuckla_: ^^^ Can you provide this information?
1345 [11:59:40] <SwashBuckla_> yes I can try
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1349 [12:01:41] <SwashBuckla_> What does (1) mean? I am not running apt-get/apt/aptitude
1350 [12:02:18] <SwashBuckla_> I ran synaptic and it shows me that there is a discrepancy between what is installed, and what is in /var/lib/apt/lists
1351 [12:02:57] <Iridos> tp43_, that sounds somewhat unlikely… try ps aux as well… and maybe look with lsof if files in the chromium config directory are still opened by something (or look with strace what files it fails on when you try to start a new one"
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1354 [12:03:22] <Iridos> oh, good call… caffeine… I forgot my coffee at the machine D:
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1357 [12:04:12] <SwashBuckla_> Doing `grep libc6_ /var/lib/apt/lists` produces "libc6_2.13-27_amd64.deb", but "libc6_2.13-38+deb7u11" is installed, which breaks LOTS of packages that depend on libc6
1358 [12:04:17] <tp43_> Iridos, ok
1359 [12:04:19] <petn-randall> SwashBuckla_: IIRC you can show the terminal with synaptic, copy that data. If that doesn't work, just take the same steps with apt-get to get the output.
1360 [12:04:50] <SwashBuckla_> I'm not sure how to take the same steps with apt-get. Possibly I need to consult the manpage
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1363 [12:05:43] <tp43_> Iridos, lsof is a long scrolling list of files
1364 [12:05:49] <petn-randall> SwashBuckla_: Then do 2 & 3 first, we can go from there.
1365 [12:05:56] <SwashBuckla_> okay
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1367 [12:06:52] <tp43_> Iridos, I did lsof | grep chrom and nothing
1368 [12:07:02] <petn-randall> SwashBuckla_: For 1) you can run 'apt-get install -f' as root, and just show us the output (you should select 'no' to its question for now)
1369 [12:07:38] <tp43_> then I launched chromium and did lsof|grep chrom and it opens about 1000 files
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1372 [12:08:58] <tp43_> I think the question I asked is misunderstood. I can kill chromium, and just can't start it back up properly. When I do it gets started but the whole window is transparent
1373 [12:09:00] <Iridos> tp43_, well, probably grep -i chrom
1374 [12:09:25] <tp43_> Iridos, you lsof|grep -i chrom
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1376 [12:09:57] <tp43_> Iridos, its like 1k - 10k files, scrolls by really fast
1377 [12:10:04] <Iridos> no, not misunderstood… something's causing it… and it sounds very likely to be something left over from the chromium before the crash
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1380 [12:10:38] <tp43_> Iridos, oh ok, I will close it again and try the -i option
1381 [12:11:02] <Iridos> -i just means case insensitive
1382 [12:11:09] <tp43_> Iridos, nothing, zero files
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1384 [12:11:16] <Iridos> and actually that shouldn't be needed… except if that is chrome
1385 [12:11:21] <Iridos> yeah, but now you closed it cleanly
1386 [12:11:30] <Iridos> and so should be able to start it again without problems as well
1387 [12:11:58] <tp43_> Iridos, it is transparent, it is open but can't see it
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1392 [12:12:58] <tp43_> I can alt-tab to find where the window is located but it is transparent, can't even right click
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1394 [12:13:05] <Iridos> start it with strace -f -e open … probably strace -f -e open > doesntstart 2>&1
1395 [12:13:06] <BluesKaj> 'Morning all
1396 [12:13:38] <Iridos> if you cannot find anything suspicious looking in there, because it's a lot of output… then run the same strace on a start that works
1397 [12:13:42] <petn-randall> SwashBuckla_: replaced-url
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1399 [12:14:06] <Iridos> you may have to massage the files with sed to remove stuff that changes between each and every run, though
1400 [12:15:13] <tp43_> Iridos, installing strace
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1405 [12:16:27] <tp43_> Iridos, as root?
1406 [12:16:41] <tp43_> setuid sandbox is not running as root
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1411 [12:19:06] <tp43_> when I try to start chromium as root, it fails, says killed by SIGABRT
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1414 [12:20:10] <petn-randall> I can imagine that chromium has a check for running as root and fails hard.
1415 [12:20:39] <tp43_> petn-randall, well that is good
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1417 [12:21:00] <FinalX> running a browser as root, what could possibly go wrong
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1420 [12:21:41] <missmbob> this should work chromium --no-sandbox --user-data-dir
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1424 [12:22:43] <tp43_> no still empty/transparent window
1425 [12:22:54] <petn-randall> SwashBuckla_: Do you still need any help? Are you stuck somewhere?
1426 [12:22:58] <missmbob> *shrug* works here with chrome. dont have chromium
1427 [12:23:34] <tp43_> petn-randall, you install chrome from google website instead of chromium in repo?
1428 [12:24:04] <petn-randall> tp43_: I have the stock chromium from the Debian repository.
1429 [12:24:22] <tp43_> petn-randall, oh sorry meant to say that too missmbob
1430 [12:24:35] <missmbob> yes, from google
1431 [12:24:37] <tp43_> missmbob, you install chrome from google website instead of chromium in repo?
1432 [12:24:43] <missmbob> yes
1433 [12:25:13] <tp43_> missmbob, maybe that is what I will do. I prefer to install only deb packages instead of binaries
1434 [12:26:26] <missmbob> tp43_: deb replaced-url
1435 [12:26:28] <tp43_> anyone know how to use gdb and think it might find the problem?
1436 [12:26:44] <tp43_> missmbob, thx
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1445 [12:29:02] <SwashBuckla_> petn-randall: I managed to forcibly install (with dpkg -i) the libc6 and libc-bin packages that I listed
1446 [12:29:19] <SwashBuckla_> petn-randall: this fixed the broken dependencies, so I don't need help any more
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1452 [12:30:55] <tp43_> I did apt-get purge and re-installed, same thing. It say, when I close it, "new tab" is not responding, if that help anyone help me, it is stuck on try to open a new tab
1453 [12:31:27] <tp43_> looks like a website is trying a pop in a new tab which crashes it
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1459 [12:34:31] <at0m> tp43_: chromium --temp-profile runs chromium without using your usual config and add-ons, i make up from the manual. try that?
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1462 [12:36:01] <tp43_> at0m, good one, but it failed, I am trying all those, do you know of a proxy server I can use?
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1465 [12:37:08] <tp43_> at0m, even I delete all of .config/chromium and .cache/chromium, doesn't help. Only reboot get it going again
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1467 [12:37:35] <tp43_> must be somethig in /tmp or similar I can delete
1468 [12:37:48] <at0m> tp43_: you shouldn't ever delete when you can mv and mv back
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1470 [12:38:35] <tp43_> at0m, good advice thx
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1472 [12:38:42] <tp43_> I am doing reboot, be back in a few
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1479 [12:43:43] <tp43_> Ok after rebooting it gave me the message, something went wrong with opening your profile
1480 [12:44:04] <at0m> tp43_: from man chromium, it uses both ~/.config/chromium and ~/.cache/chromium
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1482 [12:44:20] <at0m> then back to the --temp-profile
1483 [12:45:12] <tp43_> at0m, I tried that by deleted both those directories and also tried --temp-profile but it wasn't working.
1484 [12:45:28] <at0m> no clue then :s
1485 [12:46:05] <tp43_> at0m, thx n e ways
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1487 [12:47:06] <tp43_> well, i will install chrome and use it for a while, hope same thing doesn't happen
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1550 [13:39:45] <noqnio1> hey, what is the preferred way to run a script once a day using cron but as a specific user?
1551 [13:40:12] <mcon> Hi, does anyone know how to enable bluetooth on an Asus z87 MoBo? it has a "ASUS Wi-Fi GO! module" which works as expected under Win7, but only the WiFi section is detected under Debian stretch. no trace of bluetooth with "sudo lspci", "sudo lsusb" or "sudo rfkill list"
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1572 [13:55:52] <slax0r> noqnio1: add it to that users crontab
1573 [13:57:59] <noqnio1> sorry i meant anacron
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1576 [14:05:17] <slax0r> noqnio1: ok...then add it to users anacrontab
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1579 [14:06:17] <noqnio1> i didn't see how to anacron as a specific user and someone suggested to anacron sudo -u so i'll probably go with that
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1582 [14:08:34] <noqnio1> but wait, /etc/cron.daily is run with anacron?
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1584 [14:08:49] <noqnio1> so i can just put a symlink to my script there?
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1667 [14:23:02] <domovoy> hi
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1747 [15:09:28] <ForceRecon> outside of debian what distributions do people suggest? Is there anything that people tend to migrate towards?
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1757 [15:12:13] <Iridos> judd, versions libreoffice
1758 [15:12:14] <judd> Package: libreoffice on amd64 -- wheezy: 1:3.5.4+dfsg2-0+deb7u6; wheezy-security: 1:3.5.4+dfsg2-0+deb7u9; wheezy-backports: 1:4.3.3-2+deb8u6~bpo70+1; jessie-security: 1:4.3.3-2+deb8u7; jessie: 1:4.3.3-2+deb8u7; jessie-backports: 1:5.2.6-2~bpo8+1; stretch: 1:5.2.7-1; sid: 1:5.2.7-1; experimental: 1:5.3.3-1
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1762 [15:12:52] <Iridos> ForceRecon, Debian
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1767 [15:14:58] <ForceRecon> I think I am going to give linux from scratch a try. I think it will make me understand Debian in more detail (Debian is my default OS)
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1803 [15:29:07] <Darby_Crash> hi guys. How can i install flashplugin-nonfree?
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1808 [15:30:41] <Darby_Crash> deb package have a bug
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1823 [15:36:43] <yokisuci> Darby_Crash: Download flash from adobes website
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1825 [15:37:15] <yokisuci> its a *.tar.gz file. Extract. move the libflash* file to /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/ :)
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1828 [15:37:39] <Darby_Crash> thanks yokisuci ;)
1829 [15:38:09] <Darby_Crash> but the package will be fixed for Stretch?
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1831 [15:38:44] <yokisuci> Darby_Crash: You're welcome. :) The file name is libflashplayer.so btw. No idea tbh! Havn't installed flash that way for years.
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1833 [15:40:03] <Darby_Crash> i have a friend with a old 32 bit machine that is going crazy for install flashplugin-nonfree
1834 [15:40:32] <Darby_Crash> now i report to he your help
1835 [15:40:48] <Darby_Crash> thank you again
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1841 [15:43:26] <yokisuci> Darby_Crash: Do so :) You're welcome. Btw, there's both a NPAPI *.tar.gz and PPAPI *.tar.gz on adobes site. If I remember correctely, NPAPI is for Firefox and PPAPI is for Chromium, Don't know how to install it for Chromium tho since i'm using firefox.
1842 [15:44:01] <Darby_Crash> yes he using FF
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1845 [15:45:08] <yokisuci2> :)
1846 [15:45:46] <yokisuci2> :)
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1868 [15:57:38] <Darby_Crash> yokisuci2, all work fine
1869 [15:57:50] <Darby_Crash> ;) have a nice day
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1910 [16:25:48] <smhar> greetings
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1914 [16:29:17] <smhar> I have a debian Jessie installed on my computer. I recently installed debina Stretch on another partition, both distros share the same swap. Stretch works fine .. so far and I am slowly discovering things that don't work and solve problem one by one.. but the problem now is Jessie. When booting it stucks for a very long time then it gives this message: Loading, please wait...
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1917 [16:30:45] <smhar> resume: Could not start the resume device file 'dev'disk/bu-uuid/30b----------------------------' Please type in the full path name to try again or press ENTER toboot the sytem
1918 [16:31:25] <smhar> I just substituted the fulll name with --- for the sake of ease
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1920 [16:31:46] <smhar> I press ENTER and things work... I think
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1923 [16:31:59] <mtn> smhar: either fix the uuid in fstab or change to using /dev/sdXx
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1925 [16:32:16] <mtn> smhar: my guess is that the uuid changed for the swap partition
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1931 [16:34:03] <smhar> mtn, It is the swap, I chenged it to /dev/sda8 and commented out the old line but I still get the same error
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1933 [16:34:20] <teraflops> smhar: you better use UUIDS or labels
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1935 [16:34:41] <mtn> smhar: well, if you don't have uuid in there, that isn't the problem, since you are still getting uuid errors
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1938 [16:36:35] <smhar> teraflops, mtn so how to fix it then?
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1940 [16:37:05] <mtn> smhar: depends on what is causing the problem. check all the lines in your fstab
1941 [16:37:17] <teraflops> smhar: Idk i was just pointing that always is better using uuids or labels
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1949 [16:39:51] <smhar> my fstab : replaced-url
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1952 [16:40:06] <nulleip> hell0
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1954 [16:40:49] <nulleip> cant mount live-rw with image debian-live-8.8.0-i386-standard
1955 [16:40:55] <nulleip> ext4 label 'live-rw'
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1957 [16:41:04] <nulleip> boot parameter: live persistence
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1959 [16:41:47] <jelly> nulleip: did you create the second partition?
1960 [16:41:54] <nulleip> yes jelly
1961 [16:41:58] <mtn> smhar: the swap uuid line is not commented out
1962 [16:41:59] <nulleip> ext4 label 'live-rw'
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1964 [16:42:03] <jelly> nulleip: did it work before?
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1966 [16:42:09] <Vanfanel> Hi! Do you guys know if/how it's possible to run a program with chrt and tasksel at the same time? I mean, selection schediling algorighm and CPU-list affinity at the same time.
1967 [16:42:15] <mtn> smhar: oops, sorry.
1968 [16:42:18] <nulleip> jelly: yes, but with 8.1
1969 [16:42:42] <jelly> nulleip: righto, can you pastebin the output of "lsblk" and "blkid"
1970 [16:42:44] <mtn> smhar: I don't see how you would get a uuid error now
1971 [16:42:50] <jelly> !paste
1972 [16:42:50] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: replaced-url
1973 [16:43:11] <nulleip> jelly: yes, brb
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1979 [16:45:42] <aZz7eCh> possible uefi issue here?: i am trying to install debian to a new little dell 11" i bought. all installs fine ... first boot grub comes up, i select my defaut option, it begins with a few lines of booting, and then .... dreaded screen saying "oh no! something has gone wrong."
1980 [16:45:44] <nulleip> jelly: replaced-url
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1985 [16:46:25] <aZz7eCh> i only seem to be able to boot to uefi usb device when i go to install, it refuses to let me install as legacy
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1989 [16:47:08] <nulleip> jelly: ignore /dev/sdb please, just mounted to copy sshd.conf and access it remote to copy...
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1993 [16:48:07] <nulleip> jelly: /dev/sdb is the alright live (not connected when I've booted)
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1997 [16:48:41] <BluesKaj> aZz7eCh, turn off secure boot
1998 [16:48:59] <aZz7eCh> it is off already (because i was happily using live cd usb's on it)
1999 [16:49:06] <aZz7eCh> and has to be off to go "legacy boot" like that
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2001 [16:50:32] <BluesKaj> wonder if it has to do with gpt
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2003 [16:50:53] <aZz7eCh> the installer not partitioning the hdd like it wants during install ?
2004 [16:51:04] <mtn> aZz7eCh: that is a gnome video error. does ctrl+alt+F2 give you another screen when this happens?
2005 [16:51:12] <aZz7eCh> let me check
2006 [16:51:19] <BluesKaj> why legacy mode if you are using uefi , aZz7eCh
2007 [16:51:23] <nulleip> jelly: dmesg - replaced-url
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2009 [16:52:26] <aZz7eCh> mtn: yes i can ... sheesh
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2013 [16:52:40] <aZz7eCh> mtn: thanks will try and work out what this is
2014 [16:52:46] <mtn> aZz7eCh: you could try booting with nomodeset and then fix your video drive issue
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2017 [16:53:40] <aZz7eCh> mtn: thanks, dont know what nomodset is but will google. and arrrrgh! on the video driver issue if it is one. will be first one ever on a machine :P
2018 [16:53:49] <aZz7eCh> mtn: normally the basics go just fine
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2020 [16:54:05] <mtn> aZz7eCh: welcome
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2046 [17:06:45] <e0i> Bonjour
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2048 [17:07:04] <raynold> ahh it's a wonderful day
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2081 [17:21:24] <aZz7eCh> mtn: nomodset hasn't helped me avoid the Oh no! screen.
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2085 [17:22:04] <mtn> aZz7eCh: hmm. which video card and driver are you using?
2086 [17:22:33] <aZz7eCh> i wouldn't have a clue ... let me get specs on the notebook
2087 [17:22:48] <aZz7eCh> ((debians boot fine as live cds via usb))
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2089 [17:22:54] <aZz7eCh> ((graphically that is))
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2092 [17:23:31] <aZz7eCh> Intel HD Graphics (Braswell), Core: 300-600 MHz, single-channel, 20.19.15.4300.
2093 [17:23:46] <aZz7eCh> is what the notebook specs say the graphics is
2094 [17:23:47] <mtn> aZz7eCh: did you spell it nomodeset, or nomodset when you put it in the grub line?
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2096 [17:23:58] <aZz7eCh> nomod! ... goes bac,
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2101 [17:25:43] <jelly> aZz7eCh: are you installing jessie? Might want to try stretch instead
2102 [17:25:49] <aZz7eCh> jessie yeah
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2105 [17:26:22] <jhutchins_wk> aZz7eCh: This isn't a VM is it?
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2107 [17:26:36] <aZz7eCh> no its a new little cheap dell inspiron 11" 3160
2108 [17:26:43] <aZz7eCh> with a 120gb ssd in it
2109 [17:27:25] <aZz7eCh> the ssd had win10 on it ... so... i never used it. today i figured i'd throw debian on it like my desktop
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2115 [17:29:17] <jhutchins_wk> aZz7eCh: It looks like this is an nvidia+gnome problem.
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2117 [17:29:44] <aZz7eCh> i only have cpu/intel graphics in this thing.
2118 [17:29:52] <aZz7eCh> see above
2119 [17:30:01] <jhutchins_wk> ,kernels
2120 [17:30:02] <judd> Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.11.0-trunk-686 (4.11-1~exp2); sid: 4.9.0-3-686 (4.9.25-1); stretch: 4.9.0-3-686 (4.9.25-1); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.2-686-pae (4.9.18-1~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.43-2); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.88-1)
2121 [17:30:09] <jelly> braswell is new enough it may have issues on jessie
2122 [17:30:32] <jelly> and I'm not sure if you're going to get opengl working with jessie-backports stack
2123 [17:30:55] <aZz7eCh> sorry for the noob question but are there stretch 'images' like there are normal ones?
2124 [17:31:07] <jelly> there are installer images yes
2125 [17:31:10] <aZz7eCh> i'm on the debian site now looking at the normal iso's i'd download
2126 [17:31:27] <jelly> but you probably want to grab the unofficial ones with firmware for a laptop
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2129 [17:32:28] <aZz7eCh> i'm still a bit confused as to why a usb stick with debian installed to it, doesn't have an issue, but installed to hdd it is
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2134 [17:32:58] <aZz7eCh> has to be gnome tho. i can ctrl+alt+f1 and log in fine
2135 [17:33:12] <jelly> that points to 3d support
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2137 [17:33:57] <jelly> which means you MIGHT get better results if you upgraded kernel and mesa and maybe video-intel bits to jessie-backports
2138 [17:34:03] <jelly> !bdo kernel
2139 [17:34:03] <dpkg> Newer kernels for Debian stable releases are available from the "jessie-backports" repository. Ask me about <jessie backports> to modify your sources.list, then run «aptitude update». To install the current backported kernel: «aptitude -t jessie-backports install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'`». To list available backported kernel image packages: «aptitude search '?narrow(~nlinux-image,?origin(Debian Backports))'».
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2141 [17:35:02] <jelly> aZz7eCh: but it might be easier to try stretch instead. Use weekly or rc3 images: replaced-url
2142 [17:35:25] <aZz7eCh> jelly: cheers. my next move.
2143 [17:35:45] <jelly> eg. replaced-url
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2146 [17:37:12] <aZz7eCh> tyvm
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2157 [17:42:22] <opv> hi everyone, i have a little issue: i'm trying to set a custom prompt color for all users via /etc/profile - however the user's bashrc seems to override those values. is there any way i can remedy that while preserving the .bashrc for those users?
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2173 [17:49:46] <teraflops> opv: if you define a custom PS1 in ~/.bashrc it overrides the one in /etc/profile
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2176 [17:50:14] <AlexPortable> Debian 9, ifconfig: command not found ???
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2184 [17:52:41] <teraflops> AlexPortable: do you really try to search your issues before asking here?
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2190 [17:55:46] <jhutchins_wk> AlexPortable: Not on normal users' path.
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2194 [17:56:49] <AlexPortable> Well I suspected I was doing something wrong
2195 [17:56:51] <AlexPortable> like the wrong user
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2200 [17:58:28] <petn-randall> Literally googling "ifconfig: command not found" gives you the answer.
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2216 [18:03:11] <AlexPortable> is there a list of these commands that changes?
2217 [18:03:13] <AlexPortable> changed*
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2237 [18:09:21] <jelly> AlexPortable: read the release notes. replaced-url
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2239 [18:09:50] <jelly> AlexPortable: 5.3.9. iproute2 will replace net-tools
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2243 [18:10:37] <jelly> release notes always tracke notable changes between release N-1 and release N
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2246 [18:11:22] <jelly> it's not just a path issue.
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2258 [18:16:24] <jelly> dpkg, stretch ifconfig is <reply>ifconfig, route, arp and some other commands part of "net-tools" package are not present in <stretch> by default. Use their equivalents from iproute2 package. A quick list of equivalents is present in <stretch release notes> replaced-url
2259 [18:16:24] <dpkg> okay, jelly
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2263 [18:17:46] <jelly> jhutchins_wk, petn-randall: in short, "wrong path" can be "wrong answer" for a fresh stretch install
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2265 [18:18:50] <petn-randall> jelly: Link #1 on google was stackexchange, answer #1 was 'use sudo if it exists, answer #2 was 'install net-tools'.
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2268 [18:19:04] <petn-randall> s/exists/exists'/
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2287 [18:22:58] <jelly> petn-randall: ha, so the quote helpfully provided by google misses the answer considered "best". I admit I didn't click on any of the results.
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2289 [18:23:36] <petn-randall> #3 actually was "use ip, it's super cool" ;)
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2293 [18:25:25] <jelly> well ip a IS shorter to type than ifc<TAB>
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2297 [18:26:09] <petn-randall> jelly: I wonder what you do with all your freed up time ;)
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2299 [18:26:39] <jelly> cannot answer that in polite company
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2302 [18:27:44] <AlexPortable> jelly: well the release notes only tell the packages, not the commands
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2304 [18:28:59] <jelly> AlexPortable: you may want to schedule an appointment with your optometrist
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2314 [18:31:28] <jelly> "Here is a summary of the net-tools commands, together with their iproute2 equivalent:
2315 [18:31:28] <jelly> "
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2317 [18:31:45] <jelly> and then... a table with two rows.
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2320 [18:31:59] <jelly> AlexPortable: what does it all mean?!?!
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2333 [18:35:50] <AlexPortable> No i mean for whole debian
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2336 [18:36:14] <AlexPortable> like ifconfig -> ip a, shutdown -h now -> systemctl shutdown
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2338 [18:36:40] <petn-randall> AlexPortable: 'shutdown -h now' still works, so there's no need to migrate.
2339 [18:36:56] <petn-randall> AlexPortable: For everything else there's the release notes. ;)
2340 [18:37:06] <AlexPortable> hmm it said failed to connect to bus
2341 [18:37:23] <jelly> AlexPortable: if and when shutdown command stops working by default, I'm pretty sure that will be mentioned in release notes
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2344 [18:38:43] <aZz7eCh> jelly: tried testing. all install went fine same as stable. only now, instead of Oh no! screen, i have completely black screen and cant ctrl+alt+f1
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2346 [18:39:05] <jelly> aZz7eCh: oh no!
2347 [18:39:15] <aZz7eCh> thats what i said
2348 [18:39:24] <jelly> something went wrong
2349 [18:39:33] * jelly hides
2350 [18:39:34] <aZz7eCh> thats what i thought
2351 [18:39:46] <petn-randall> .oO( that what she said? )
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2353 [18:39:59] <jelly> does booting rescue mode work
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2356 [18:40:42] <aZz7eCh> im just trying nomodeset again
2357 [18:40:50] <aZz7eCh> okay - nomodeset, i can get in
2358 [18:41:43] <aZz7eCh> at least i have a desktop now.
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2362 [18:43:52] <jelly> nomodeset basically disables all graphics, that's not really an option
2363 [18:44:18] <jelly> aZz7eCh: rescue mode does not work either?
2364 [18:44:52] <aZz7eCh> okay let me see
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2369 [18:45:47] <jelly> (not a long term option I mean, xorg needs modesetting on intel to work, but okay to get in temporarily)
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2373 [18:46:32] <aZz7eCh> okay i removed nomodeset and tried rescue mode - but black screen again. cant switch to another term
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2376 [18:47:10] <jelly> hm, that's not very nice.
2377 [18:47:24] <greycat> That's quite confusing. Rescue mode shouldn't be starting X ...?
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2380 [18:47:41] <greycat> Or is that another thing that changed with systemd?
2381 [18:48:04] <aZz7eCh> okay so put nomodeset back in, and i can boot to rescue mode
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2383 [18:48:31] <jelly> greycat: this changed way before systemd. Boot process loads the kernel part of gpu driver that does mode setting and basic memory management first. Also it switches over to framebuffer console.
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2385 [18:48:58] <greycat> Ah, that must be the part where the font size changes.
2386 [18:49:18] <greycat> (/me turned off "quiet" boot)
2387 [18:49:19] <aZz7eCh> does doing a 'graphical install' make a diff on these new install versions?
2388 [18:49:30] <greycat> It shouldn't matter.
2389 [18:49:34] <jelly> font stays the same, resolution however switches to native if a monitor is detected
2390 [18:50:13] <aZz7eCh> ^ with that in mind, i have checked already by hitting my function key for monitor switching when i get the black screen
2391 [18:50:15] <jelly> but going from 720x400 text mode with 8x16 font to 1920x1080 with same 8x16 font... yeah
2392 [18:50:26] <greycat> The installer's job is just to set up the basic directories and files, and install some packages, and run whatever parts of grub need to be run to make it boot.
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2394 [18:51:15] <jelly> aZz7eCh: can you pastebin /var/log/kern.log, are bootup lines from previous boot (the one where it was all black) visible in there?
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2396 [18:51:34] <jelly> there might be clues
2397 [18:51:34] <aZz7eCh> okay hang i'm not sure how i'd get that to a pastebin - brb
2398 [18:51:40] <jelly> !pastebinit
2399 [18:51:40] <dpkg> A command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "aptitude install pastebinit; pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list"; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg | pastebinit". See also <pastebinit config>, <nopaste>.
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2401 [18:51:53] <jelly> !sprunge
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2403 [18:52:02] <jelly> huh, no factoid for that one
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2406 [18:52:14] <greycat> 12:52 <-greybot[~greybot@remote.wooledge.org] sprunge() { tail -n +1 -- "$@" | curl -F 'sprunge=<-' replaced-url
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2408 [18:53:35] <jelly> tail is for filenames w/ multiple args?
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2410 [18:54:02] <greycat> Apparently it puts a header above each file, and the -n +1 makes it act like cat otherwise.
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2412 [18:54:12] <jelly> meow
2413 [18:54:20] <greycat> (I didn't write that one)
2414 [18:54:36] <jelly> Q: how does a tail behave like a whole cat
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2416 [18:55:09] <theseb> I added usb thumb drive to /etc/fstab. How configure so that when I REMOVE the thumb drive the boot process doesn't get STUCK due to missing usb thumb drive!?
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2422 [18:56:32] <jelly> theseb: add "nofail" mount option. See perhaps replaced-url
2423 [18:56:44] <jelly> assuming debian 8 and systemd.
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2425 [18:56:58] <aZz7eCh> jelly greycat: replaced-url
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2427 [18:57:44] <greycat> That's the one with nomodeset.
2428 [18:57:53] <aZz7eCh> at the bottom it will be yes
2429 [18:58:02] <aZz7eCh> i wont be able to get it at all if i disable nomodeset
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2432 [18:59:00] <greycat> So it's two kern.logs catted together? You couldn't have just posted the one that actually fails?
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2435 [18:59:25] <jelly> aZz7eCh: efifb seems to kick in first before i915. Maybe try blacklisting that module.
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2438 [18:59:39] <aZz7eCh> okay so i delete my log. then boot without nomodeset to a locked machine with no logs, and then what do you wnat me to do ?
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2440 [18:59:54] <mvaenskae> is there a way to find out which packages the user has installed explicitly?
2441 [18:59:55] <jelly> oh, that's the one with nomodeset?
2442 [19:00:14] <aZz7eCh> it should be all my boots since install
2443 [19:00:16] <aZz7eCh> 3-4 of them
2444 [19:00:20] <greycat> jelly: the first ~700 lines are nomodeset, then there's another one following it immediately, no break. Just the timestamps reset.
2445 [19:00:23] <jelly> aZz7eCh: the hope is it's not "locked" or "without logs"
2446 [19:00:24] <greycat> ... fuck.
2447 [19:00:35] * greycat stops scrolling through this bullshit
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2452 [19:01:43] <jelly> aZz7eCh: all three seem to be with nomodeset.
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2454 [19:02:04] <aZz7eCh> so. delete kern.log. reboot without nomodeset. then ... with the system Locked up ... try and ssh in and retrieve the log? its not going to work, see.
2455 [19:02:27] <jelly> aZz7eCh: and without quiet, which may provide some visual clues
2456 [19:03:16] <greycat> aZz7eCh: If that works, great. If not, the intent was that you would boot once with it failing, then boot AGAIN with nomodeset if necessary, and post the lines from when it failed.
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2459 [19:04:22] <greycat> Actually I count 6 instances of "nomodeset" in his pastebin.com
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2461 [19:05:19] <greycat> And 6 instances of "Command line", and they are all the same.
2462 [19:05:37] <aZz7eCh> okay so. deleted kern.log. rebooted without nomodeset or quiet. machine is now frozen, black screen, cant switch terms. So... about to hard power off and reboot with nomodeset on so i can retrieve the log again.
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2465 [19:06:21] <greycat> Ctrl-Alt-Del doesn't work?
2466 [19:06:30] <aZz7eCh> the machine is hard locked.
2467 [19:06:38] <aZz7eCh> like i keep saying. without nomodeset.
2468 [19:06:39] <jelly> three are "Kernel command line:" and three are "Command line"
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2473 [19:07:24] <greycat> Is it possible that his "hard locked" machine never gets a chance to write the kernel messages to disk? Is that why he can't find the failing ones?
2474 [19:07:29] <jelly> aZz7eCh: and Alt-SysRq-b also does not work?
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2479 [19:08:26] <jelly> it might really be hard locked, which makes debugging a bit more annoying. Thankfully it's a recent chipset and cpu, and might have kernel stack trace saved in that pstate thing
2480 [19:09:07] <jelly> not pstate... something else
2481 [19:09:09] <aZz7eCh> replaced-url
2482 [19:09:16] <aZz7eCh> thats the whole log - i'm trying to find the fail/break point
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2484 [19:09:24] <aZz7eCh> i'm new to this wall of text bare with !
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2486 [19:10:39] <aZz7eCh> that all appears to me, given the datestamping ... to be the sole one reboot just now after it hard locked without nomodeset
2487 [19:10:56] <aZz7eCh> so ... zero logging for the blank screen.
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2492 [19:11:35] <jelly> yeah
2493 [19:12:31] <aZz7eCh> brutal. and here i as thinking dell were my linux friends :P
2494 [19:12:53] <jelly> pstore! not pstate
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2500 [19:14:53] <aZz7eCh> jelly - i dont think i have a single pc here with a sysrq key
2501 [19:14:58] <aZz7eCh> windows key?
2502 [19:15:08] <greycat> Top row next to F12 typically.
2503 [19:15:37] <jelly> aZz7eCh: PrintScreen is the Sysrq key. SysRq = Alt + PrtSc
2504 [19:15:54] <jelly> aZz7eCh: do you have /sys/fs/pstore mounted?
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2508 [19:16:41] <aZz7eCh> putting nomodeset back in to see
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2511 [19:18:21] <jelly> and remove quiet, that's just annoying when trying to debug things
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2514 [19:18:52] <aZz7eCh> it is removed when i'm not doing nomodeset
2515 [19:18:59] <aZz7eCh> you want it off default boot also?
2516 [19:19:13] <aZz7eCh> you want it off with nomodeset on rahter?*
2517 [19:19:15] <jelly> have nomodeset, but no quiet
2518 [19:19:20] <aZz7eCh> k
2519 [19:19:25] <jelly> quiet sucks!
2520 [19:19:35] <aZz7eCh> its default ... i'll change the file
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2522 [19:19:48] <jelly> /etc/default/grub
2523 [19:20:20] <jelly> you do realize you can set boot params from the grub menu, without editing files?
2524 [19:20:49] <jhutchins_wk> jelly: Thanks for the correction.
2525 [19:20:56] <aZz7eCh> jelly - doesn't save if you do it from menu
2526 [19:21:06] <jelly> correct
2527 [19:21:07] <fundies> ubuntu people cant seem to help me so figured id try here: anyone know how do i get build-dep to pull in i386 versions?
2528 [19:21:16] <aZz7eCh> as for pstore ... it is in /proc/mounts and is currently mounted
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2532 [19:21:54] <jelly> fundies: ask in #ubuntu-server or #ubuntu or ##linux, but here's a free top: don't do that. Make a separate i386 chroot and build in there.
2533 [19:22:01] <jelly> free tip*
2534 [19:22:18] <jelly> aZz7eCh: are there any files in there
2535 [19:22:19] <fundies> i dont want chroot for 1 thing
2536 [19:22:35] <jelly> I don't want to help non-debian users, but here we are
2537 [19:22:44] <jelly> !nopony fundies
2538 [19:22:45] <dpkg> fundies: replaced-url
2539 [19:22:49] <aZz7eCh> <-- actual debian users are bad enough
2540 [19:22:54] <fundies> i tried to do this on debian but it proived impossible lol
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2542 [19:23:05] <fundies> proved*
2543 [19:23:09] <jelly> yes
2544 [19:23:16] <aZz7eCh> there are no files in there jelly
2545 [19:23:16] <jelly> which is why you get "don't do that" answer
2546 [19:23:26] <fundies> not this part
2547 [19:23:30] <jelly> aZz7eCh: aw. No kernel oops for you
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2549 [19:23:40] <fundies> installing amdgpu-pro on debian is impossible
2550 [19:24:07] <aZz7eCh> huh?
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2552 [19:24:34] <jelly> aZz7eCh: that's a place where kernel crash stack trace may be saved as a last ditch effort
2553 [19:24:47] <jelly> except when it's not
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2556 [19:25:27] <jelly> aZz7eCh: just for fun, does "modprobe i915" crash the system?
2557 [19:25:29] <aZz7eCh> ahh.
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2559 [19:25:55] <aZz7eCh> run as root from terminal in gnome with nomodeset enabled, no it doesnt.
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2562 [19:26:35] <jelly> aZz7eCh: uhh, quit gnome, stop X, run from console and try again
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2564 [19:27:07] <jelly> presumably by stopping "gdm" service
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2566 [19:27:21] <jelly> I don't use gnome, so don't really know
2567 [19:27:32] <aZz7eCh> !!!! JELLY.
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2569 [19:27:41] <aZz7eCh> forcing me into testing, doesn't use gnome....
2570 [19:27:42] <aZz7eCh> blashphemy.
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2572 [19:28:05] <fundies> bleh noone knows how use apt XD
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2579 [19:29:23] <jelly> fundies: well there's a way to do it without a chroot. Install a 32 bit distro.
2580 [19:29:34] <aZz7eCh> jelly: is logging out of gnome, then ctrl+alt+f1'ing enough?
2581 [19:29:43] <aZz7eCh> or you need me to work out how to tell f8 to shut down x
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2583 [19:29:59] <jelly> aZz7eCh: log out, switch to console, log in as root at the console, service gdm stop
2584 [19:30:00] <aZz7eCh> f7 / f6 whichever is the default gui one
2585 [19:30:12] <fundies> jelly, i could manually install :i386 everything but id rather not type out 80 pkg names
2586 [19:30:19] <jelly> fundies: don't do that
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2588 [19:30:26] <aZz7eCh> okay did that
2589 [19:30:37] <aZz7eCh> every time i run modprobe i915 it seems to not have any issue
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2594 [19:31:01] <jelly> aZz7eCh: did it stop? (there shouldn't be any leftover X or Xorg or gdm processes)
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2600 [19:32:48] <aZz7eCh> hmm. well i tried to ctrl+alt+f7/6/5/all of them to bring back the gnome login screen but its gone ... and now .... i'm frozen staring at my last commands
2601 [19:33:03] <aZz7eCh> whereas it wasn't locked a moment ago
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2603 [19:33:23] <jelly> it's okay if it's you who's frozen and not the system... oh
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2606 [19:33:39] <aZz7eCh> lol
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2608 [19:33:49] <jelly> well maybe there's going to be something more in kern.log now
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2611 [19:33:59] <aZz7eCh> that thing will be massive now lol
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2613 [19:34:25] <jelly> I'm not sure how switchover from efifb to i915 goes
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2618 [19:35:03] <jelly> maybe there's some value in trying to blacklist efifb and hope things just work going from text mode directly to i915 KMS
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2621 [19:35:16] <gtt> I'm following a tutorial on openldap, when the instructor installs openldap on debian a script of basic configuration is run, but not in my case. How can I see if there are any configuration scripts to be run and how can I run them manually?
2622 [19:35:17] <aZz7eCh> how do i try "blacklisting"
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2626 [19:35:51] <jelly> aZz7eCh: try efifb.blacklist=yes as boot param, for a start. If that doesn't work,
2627 [19:35:53] <jelly> !blacklist
2628 [19:35:53] <dpkg> To blacklist a Linux kernel module, create/edit /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local.conf and add a line similar to this (without quotes): "blacklist module_name". If this doesn't work, do 'echo "install modulename /bin/true" >> /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local.conf'. IMPORTANT: ask about <blacklist-initramfs>. To blacklist a module at installation time, ask me about <installer blacklist>. replaced-url
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2634 [19:36:49] <jelly> I sure hope debian didn't decide to put fb modules into initramfs images for some reason
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2642 [19:37:46] <aZz7eCh> jelly: in the meantime while i do that... this is the log right now... replaced-url
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2665 [19:39:50] <jelly> I do see a possible reason for nothing in pstore
2666 [19:39:51] <bezaban> ,v nodejs
2667 [19:39:52] <judd> Package: nodejs on amd64 -- wheezy-backports: 0.10.29~dfsg-1~bpo70+1; jessie: 0.10.29~dfsg-2; jessie-backports: 4.7.2~dfsg-2~bpo8+1; sid: 4.8.2~dfsg-1; stretch: 4.8.2~dfsg-1; experimental: 6.10.2~dfsg-1
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2670 [19:40:12] <jelly> thing loads AFTER efifb (and probably any other fb drivers)
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2672 [19:40:43] <bezaban> !backports
2673 [19:40:43] <dpkg> A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. replaced-url
2674 [19:40:45] <bezaban> sorry
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2677 [19:41:14] <bezaban> !bpo
2678 [19:41:14] <dpkg> backports.debian.org (formerly backports.org) is an official repository of <backports> for the current stable (see <jessie backports>) and oldstable (<wheezy backports>) distributions, prepared by Debian developers. Ask me about <backport caveat> and read replaced-url
2679 [19:41:16] <jhutchins_wk> gtt: Was the tutorial perhaps on a different version/release?
2680 [19:41:20] <bezaban> ok. privmsg
2681 [19:41:28] <aZz7eCh> efifb.blacklist=yes ... still gives me black screen lock up
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2686 [19:43:22] <gtt> jhutchins_wk: yes, most likely an older release, not sure
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2688 [19:43:35] <jelly> oh well, was worth the try
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2691 [19:44:16] <aZz7eCh> does nomodeset only effect he graphcis ?
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2696 [19:45:21] <aZz7eCh> if so i may as well just go back to stable and leave it set on
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2699 [19:46:32] <aZz7eCh> i aint got too much time to care ... need this working and set up for thailand in 2 weeks ... and nothing but work every day between now and then unfortunately.
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2702 [19:47:02] <greycat> Can you simply boot the jessie kernel and leave everything else as is?
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2706 [19:47:54] <aZz7eCh> you've lost me... this is a fresh install, 3 times now. why would it be booting to anything but the kernal?
2707 [19:47:59] <aZz7eCh> kernel*
2708 [19:48:10] <greycat> You're booting the stretch kernel (4.9.0-whatever).
2709 [19:48:20] <aZz7eCh> thats install #3 on jelly's suggestion.
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2717 [19:49:10] <aZz7eCh> in stable, i get the error screen "Oh no! Somethings gone wrong" ...
2718 [19:49:19] <aZz7eCh> stretch .. i'm simply getting black screen and hard lock up
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2721 [19:50:40] <jelly> aZz7eCh: you can still keep going with nomodeset and efifb for the time being, no gpu acceleration but at least you got native resolution
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2728 [19:52:11] <AlexPortable> is it possible to change who can do 'su - username' ?
2729 [19:52:14] <jelly> aZz7eCh: is there anything in /sys/fs/pstore _now_ after hanging with modprobe i915?
2730 [19:52:16] <AlexPortable> to prevent people from logging into each others accounts
2731 [19:52:36] <aZz7eCh> will check
2732 [19:52:40] <jelly> AlexPortable: do you have ssh access enabled?
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2735 [19:53:28] <jelly> AlexPortable: if you do, there's no functional difference from doing "su - otheruser" and "ssh localhost -l otheruser"
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2740 [19:54:31] <aZz7eCh> jelly: no nothing in pstore. and woah yeah ... can barely even play a youtube video like this :/
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2746 [19:55:41] <AlexPortable> nope i dont
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2758 [19:59:43] <jelly> aZz7eCh: hmm. can you stop gdm again, log in as root, do "modprobe i915; sleep 0.5; dmesg > /root/dmesg-after-i915.txt; sync"
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2761 [20:00:01] <jelly> and see if _that_ survives
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2772 [20:01:06] <aZz7eCh> what if i just log in as recovery
2773 [20:01:10] <aZz7eCh> rescue&*
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2782 [20:05:42] <aZz7eCh> jelly: replaced-url
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2787 [20:06:48] <jelly> aZz7eCh: there's nothing i915 related there.
2788 [20:07:05] <jelly> except some noise from sound-hda
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2790 [20:07:31] <aZz7eCh> because i did it from recovery prompt maybe ?
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2793 [20:08:00] <jelly> aZz7eCh: but you did a manual modprobe, right?
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2795 [20:08:05] <aZz7eCh> yep
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2797 [20:08:09] <aZz7eCh> did the whole line you just typed
2798 [20:08:18] <jelly> and did the system hang?
2799 [20:08:23] <aZz7eCh> and thats the copied contents of dmesg-after-915
2800 [20:08:24] <aZz7eCh> nope
2801 [20:08:32] <jelly> so you're still in that boot?
2802 [20:08:44] <aZz7eCh> nope had to reboot to ssh in and get the log out
2803 [20:09:00] <jelly> oh $deity
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2805 [20:09:44] <jelly> try again, but verify i915 isn't already loaded first (lsmod | grep i915)
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2808 [20:10:05] <jo> tonne of leaked databases over here guys : replaced-url
2809 [20:10:22] <jelly> aZz7eCh: and do an explicit "modprobe i915 modeset=1" instead of just modprobe
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2815 [20:12:16] <aZz7eCh> service gdm stop
2816 [20:12:41] <aZz7eCh> thn had to ctrl alt f2 to another term... log in. lsmod | grep i915 shows 6 results
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2818 [20:13:47] <jelly> aZz7eCh: huh. What does that output look like?
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2822 [20:14:05] <jelly> aZz7eCh: or just lsmod | grep ^i915
2823 [20:14:16] <greycat> 5 things that depend on i915 here.
2824 [20:14:42] <jelly> or does i915 depend on them
2825 [20:14:45] <greycat> drm_kms_helper, drm, i2c_algo_bit, video, button
2826 [20:14:53] <jelly> that's the other way around
2827 [20:14:57] <aZz7eCh> i915 - 1232896 - 0; drm_kms_helper 155648 1 i915; drm 360448 2 i915,drmkms_helper;
2828 [20:15:06] <jelly> aZz7eCh: nice! It's unloadable.
2829 [20:15:16] <aZz7eCh> i2c_algo_bit x x i915
2830 [20:15:45] <jelly> aZz7eCh: does "rmmod i915" hang the system? Does it disappear from lsmod?
2831 [20:15:53] <aZz7eCh> video x x dell_wmi,dell_laptop,int3406_thermal,i915;
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2833 [20:16:17] <aZz7eCh> yes
2834 [20:16:21] <jelly> good.
2835 [20:16:24] <aZz7eCh> doesn't hang it
2836 [20:16:28] <aZz7eCh> it removed them from being listed
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2839 [20:16:59] <aZz7eCh> how about i post you this thing man
2840 [20:17:02] <aZz7eCh> with a return dhl bag
2841 [20:17:16] <aZz7eCh> and a loveheart cut out of paper with jelly written on it
2842 [20:17:23] <jelly> aZz7eCh: so then, very carefully, "modprobe i915 modeset=1; dmesg > /root/dmesg1; sync; sleep 1; dmesg > /root/dmesg2; sync"
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2845 [20:17:42] <flw_> XDDD
2846 [20:17:52] <jelly> aZz7eCh: sure. But I'm not sure you'd get it back.
2847 [20:17:54] <flw_> la que has liado pollito, XDD
2848 [20:18:28] <aZz7eCh> oop
2849 [20:18:35] <aZz7eCh> i saw two lines of upset
2850 [20:18:39] <aZz7eCh> before blank screen
2851 [20:18:44] <flw_> XD
2852 [20:19:05] <jelly> upset seems the right choice of word
2853 [20:19:17] <aZz7eCh> that the idea jelly, you keep the loveheart with jelly written on it. thtas the idea.
2854 [20:19:20] <aZz7eCh> you post this back.
2855 [20:19:50] <jelly> might get confused about that real easy
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2858 [20:20:57] <flw_> your database is belong to me.
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2866 [20:23:17] <aZz7eCh> well
2867 [20:23:18] <aZz7eCh> i rebooted
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2869 [20:23:26] <aZz7eCh> but i cant find dmesg1 or 2
2870 [20:23:58] <aZz7eCh> they're sure as hell not in /root
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2877 [20:25:07] <jelly> oh well
2878 [20:25:14] <aZz7eCh> honestly ... if you're struggling for ideas ... i think i'll just put windows 10 back on it and ebay it ... in 5-6 years, i've never had so much trouble installing debian on ANything ... and my main maachine is a g-damend 27" imac ffs... that was battle and a half
2879 [20:25:18] <jelly> aZz7eCh: anything in /sys/fs/pstore/ tho?
2880 [20:25:24] <aZz7eCh> nothing in pstore already checekd
2881 [20:25:28] <jelly> darn
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2883 [20:26:07] <jelly> if you're still willing to investigate, try asking in #intel-gfx
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2887 [20:26:50] <aZz7eCh> its already cost me a day. i'll ditch this unit and go back to HP. has already cost me more in time.
2888 [20:27:18] <aZz7eCh> dual core and terrible display from hell :( only downside
2889 [20:27:24] <aZz7eCh> and no ssd lord.
2890 [20:27:45] <aZz7eCh> so why on earth, does jessie stable, installed to a usb stick, work PERFECTLY DAMN FINE on thi smachine
2891 [20:27:51] <aZz7eCh> that part still has me PUZZLED to hell
2892 [20:28:05] <greycat> totally different kernel and i915 drivers
2893 [20:28:25] <jelly> does it play youtube maximized? Possibly also fallback drivers.
2894 [20:28:27] <aZz7eCh> grey - i spent the first 18 hours of today trying to make stable work.
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2896 [20:28:43] <aZz7eCh> utube is chuggy and slow, even in a small window
2897 [20:28:53] <jelly> so it didn't actually work
2898 [20:28:54] <aZz7eCh> whatever this nomodeset is ... is too detrimental to the performance of the machine
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2900 [20:29:22] <jelly> that jessie stick I mean, did it play youtube maximized?
2901 [20:29:28] <greycat> The stretch graphics system uses different drivers, *especially* on Intel (modesetting driver instead of whatever jessie used)
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2903 [20:29:59] <aZz7eCh> greycat only dfiff = stretch, blank screen and hard frozen. stable = Oh No! screen.
2904 [20:30:12] <aZz7eCh> exact same point is crashing it.
2905 [20:30:15] <greycat> You keep contradicting yourself. You said jessie worked.
2906 [20:30:37] <aZz7eCh> greycat, you came into this conversation when we were on to trying to see if testing worked
2907 [20:30:38] <greycat> "Oh no!" screen is not crashed. It's just gnome/xfce/whatever complaining that the graphics aren't fancy enough.
2908 [20:30:54] <aZz7eCh> previously, we were doing circles with stable, hitting Oh No! screen.
2909 [20:30:56] <jelly> they said jessie from hdd had gnome "oh no", jessie from stick "worked"
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2911 [20:31:15] <jelly> (fully installed, just onto an external usb)
2912 [20:31:27] <aZz7eCh> Prior to today, any time i plug in a COMPLETELY separate usb disk, that has stable installed to it (nothing to do with installing it to the machine), it works just FINE
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2914 [20:32:11] <jelly> aZz7eCh: so try that one again, and verify it actually does video acceleration
2915 [20:32:13] <aZz7eCh> if lubuntu works i'll cap myself - brb
2916 [20:32:38] <jelly> 17.04 something might have newer kernel and bits from debian stretch.
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2927 [20:39:02] <jelly> ,kernels
2928 [20:39:03] <judd> Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.11.0-trunk-686 (4.11-1~exp2); sid: 4.9.0-3-686 (4.9.25-1); stretch: 4.9.0-3-686 (4.9.25-1); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.2-686-pae (4.9.18-1~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.43-2); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.88-1)
2929 [20:39:22] <jelly> aZz7eCh: ooh, there's 4.11 in experimental, you could try that!
2930 [20:39:45] <jelly> shiny, new, sh...oftware
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2932 [20:40:18] <greycat> If it's a Kaby Lake box, that 4.11.x kernel is one of the things that may be needed for support....
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2935 [20:41:19] <jelly> it's just before apollo lake, braswell
2936 [20:41:41] <jelly> so not _that_ new but who knows what kind of quirks it needs
2937 [20:41:55] <jelly> if I read the dmesg right
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2939 [20:43:05] <jelly> Intel(R) Pentium(R) CPU N3710 @ 1.60GHz (family: 0x6, model: 0x4c, stepping: 0x4)
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2941 [20:44:00] <greycat> Ah right, I started searching for N3710 but couldn't find it, and got distracted and stopped.
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2949 [20:50:02] <greycat> "Silvermont (redirected from Braswell (SOC))"
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2953 [20:51:19] <jelly> <danvet_> jelly, fb.lockless_register_fb=1 is sometimes worth a shot
2954 [20:51:19] <jelly> <danvet_> plus testing latest -rc, in case we fixed it already
2955 [20:51:46] <jelly> or course upstream goes with "try the latest version" :-)
2956 [20:51:50] <jelly> of*
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2958 [20:52:10] <greycat> yeah
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2961 [20:53:11] <jelly> (that's from #intel-gfx fwiw)
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2964 [20:54:41] <jelly> aZz7eCh: so maybe try that as well, fb.lockless_register_fb=1 as a boot parameter
2965 [20:55:51] <aZz7eCh> guys. 3am. i am out of strength for any more maybe's. i'll keep this open and go over these last comments tomorrow. but off the bat ... i dont know how to change kernels ... is there a whoel nother iso that covers it?
2966 [20:56:05] <aZz7eCh> but all the same thank you for tryign to help me out
2967 [20:56:07] <aZz7eCh> do appreciate it
2968 [20:56:09] <aZz7eCh> just defeated.
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2971 [20:56:52] <aZz7eCh> been a g'damn long day bashing this thing.
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2982 [21:00:47] <jelly> aZz7eCh: go sleep, tomorrow's another day
2983 [21:01:17] <aZz7eCh> the fb.lockless btw ... instead of black screen and hard lock ... i have hard lock but am looking at output
2984 [21:01:39] <dionysus69> can anyone help with mp4's mimetype being detected as application/mp4 instead of video/mp4?
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2986 [21:01:50] <dionysus69> I cant upload mp4 to google api that's why
2987 [21:02:23] <jelly> aZz7eCh: if there's a kernel oops in the output, that may be useful tomorrow
2988 [21:02:38] <aZz7eCh> there is
2989 [21:02:40] <AlexPortable> How can i re-create the mysql folder in /etc/ ?
2990 [21:03:02] <mutante> dpkg-reconfigure <package name> maybe?
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2992 [21:03:07] <AlexPortable> thanks
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2994 [21:03:25] <greycat> Restore from your last backup.
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2998 [21:03:58] <greycat> "But I don't make backups of my machine that has a mysql database on it." "Huh?"
2999 [21:04:00] <jelly> aZz7eCh: installing a kernel from experimental is just adding a repo and installing a package
3000 [21:04:08] <aZz7eCh> okay doesn't sound too hard.
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3002 [21:04:23] <aZz7eCh> i'm crashing - thanks again - hope you're around tomorrow :P lol
3003 [21:04:25] <AlexPortable> hmm nope won't re-create it
3004 [21:04:30] <greycat> experimental sounds like a good thing to wait until you've slept
3005 [21:04:32] <jelly> g'night
3006 [21:04:34] <aZz7eCh> and pvt msg me your address so i can fill out his DHL bag
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3008 [21:04:52] <aZz7eCh> this*
3009 [21:04:54] <jelly> lol
3010 [21:05:09] <greycat> !tell AlexPortable about confmiss
3011 [21:05:52] <AlexPortable> aptitude: command not found
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3014 [21:06:11] <jelly> install it?
3015 [21:06:15] <greycat> Use apt instead. I have no idea why people changed those factoids.
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3018 [21:06:32] <AlexPortable> E: Invalid operation reinstall
3019 [21:06:35] <greycat> (apt --reinstall install)
3020 [21:06:39] <greycat> Use your brain.
3021 [21:06:47] <AlexPortable> apt -o DPkg::Options::='--force-confmiss' --reinstall install package?
3022 [21:07:09] <greycat> And see, I'm *NOT* the only one that didn't have aptitude installed!
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3025 [21:07:21] <jelly> apt-get has reinstall, apt does not... have it documented
3026 [21:07:39] <jelly> jessie version of /usr/bin/apt is a bit half-assed
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3028 [21:07:44] <AlexPortable> im on stretch
3029 [21:07:54] <jelly> probably similar :-)
3030 [21:08:09] <AlexPortable> didnt really re-create the folder
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3032 [21:08:31] <AlexPortable> meh ill install aptitude then
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3034 [21:08:49] <CrashOveride> Hello everybody
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3038 [21:09:05] <jelly> AlexPortable: you do need to reinstall the _right_ package
3039 [21:09:07] * greycat waits for the excuse as to why there is no backup of /etc from his database server
3040 [21:09:24] <jelly> AlexPortable: so probably all of dpkg -S /etc/mysql
3041 [21:09:32] <AlexPortable> mariadb-server
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3043 [21:09:48] <mutante> eh, what is there that is important besides a password. isn't all the data not in /etc/
3044 [21:09:59] <mutante> or is it all about password reset
3045 [21:10:01] <jelly> AlexPortable: is that the ONLY package name in dpkg -S /etc/mysql ?
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3047 [21:10:15] <AlexPortable> mariadb-common, mysql-common, mariadb-client-10.1, mariadb-server-10.1: /etc/mysql
3048 [21:10:25] <jelly> AlexPortable: so probably all of those
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3051 [21:11:16] <jelly> note that list does NOT contain "mariadb-server" at all
3052 [21:11:26] <AlexPortable> ah yes
3053 [21:11:28] <AlexPortable> sorry was confused
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3056 [21:12:34] <AlexPortable> How about the default password on debian?
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3058 [21:12:37] <AlexPortable> Does it uses unix_socket ?
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3062 [21:13:28] <jelly> AlexPortable: does what use unix_socket?
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3065 [21:14:36] <jhutchins_wk> How can I get the CLI arguments that a program (apache) is using?
3066 [21:14:52] <greycat> ps auxww | grep ...
3067 [21:15:08] <greycat> systemctl status ... is also helpful in many cases
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3075 [21:18:10] <jelly> jhutchins_wk: or if you want to be nonportable and slightly incorrect, cat /proc/PID/cmdline | tr '\0' ' '; echo
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3086 [21:25:35] <AlexPortable> jelly: mysql/mariadb
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3092 [21:29:12] <jelly> AlexPortable: yes, mysql server in debian defaults to listening on unix socket, and also tcp socket bound to localhost
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3094 [21:29:24] <AlexPortable> I have some problems with setting the root password
3095 [21:30:29] <jelly> !ifmrp
3096 [21:30:29] <dpkg> If you've forgotten the <MySQL> root password, /etc/init.d/mysql stop; mysqld --skip-grant-tables; mysql -u root; use mysql; UPDATE user SET Password=PASSWORD('mynewpassword') WHERE User='root'; FLUSH PRIVILEGES; C-d; stop mysqld; /etc/init.d/mysql start See also replaced-url
3097 [21:30:37] <jelly> that thing?
3098 [21:30:48] <AlexPortable> yes
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3100 [21:31:09] <AlexPortable> that thing that even when i run mysql_secure_installation i 'forget' it
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3103 [21:31:25] <jelly> don't forget it?
3104 [21:31:30] <AlexPortable> i dont?
3105 [21:31:34] <AlexPortable> i typed in 'hi'
3106 [21:31:35] <jelly> write it down?
3107 [21:31:38] <AlexPortable> i did
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3109 [21:31:51] <AlexPortable> then i connect to mysql root and i get ERROR 1698 (28000): Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost'
3110 [21:32:09] <jelly> -p
3111 [21:32:26] <tx> does it actually ask you for a password
3112 [21:32:27] <tx> yes
3113 [21:32:29] <tx> that :P
3114 [21:32:38] <AlexPortable> the password is the debian root account passowrd?
3115 [21:32:57] <tx> I'd still use the -p flag and enter it again just to be sure
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3117 [21:33:43] <AlexPortable> so it doens't really matter what i set the mysql root password to
3118 [21:33:49] <AlexPortable> since it overrides with the root account password anyway?
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3137 [21:41:06] <kaiji> I'd love to avoid a reinstall
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3149 [21:47:01] <AlexPortable> jelly: ?
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3184 [22:08:32] <jhutchins_wk> greycat: Ok, I was headed in the right direction then. Thanks. Turns out they've managed to import an Apache install from Solaris 10 and my tuning/diagnostic tools are totally confused by it. I closed the box quietly and put it back on the shelf.
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3186 [22:09:34] <jhutchins_wk> AlexPortable: The password for root in MySQL is in the MySQL configuration.
3187 [22:10:44] <AlexPortable> /etc/mysql/debian.cnf
3188 [22:10:45] <AlexPortable> [mysql_upgrade] password =
3189 [22:10:45] <AlexPortable> here?
3190 [22:11:03] <jhutchins_wk> AlexPortable: There is a README.Debian file for MySQL, I don't know about Maria DB, but Debian has some added functionality (a service account).
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3192 [22:11:15] <jhutchins_wk> AlexPortable: No.
3193 [22:11:31] <jhutchins_wk> AlexPortable: Strongly suggest you read the docs.
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3195 [22:11:37] <AlexPortable> Which docs?
3196 [22:11:41] <AlexPortable> mariadb ?
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3252 [22:41:30] <AlexPortable> What's up with all the unix_socket functionality? do i need it?
3253 [22:41:33] <AlexPortable> (mysql)
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3269 [22:48:37] <jhutchins_wk> AlexPortable: I believe that when you install MySQL on Debian it runs a script that initializes the database and sets the root password. Not sure about Maria DB, and haven't set one up in a couple of years.
3270 [22:48:53] <AlexPortable> how do i chagne teh root password then
3271 [22:48:54] <AlexPortable> and whats that link?
3272 [22:48:55] <missmbob> same
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3274 [22:49:55] <jhutchins_wk> See the message jelly had dpkg give you earlier.
3275 [22:50:09] <jhutchins_wk> xx:30
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3278 [22:50:39] <jhutchins_wk> 20:30 GMT
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3280 [22:50:52] <AlexPortable> about reintalling config files?
3281 [22:51:31] <missmbob> !ifmrp
3282 [22:51:32] <dpkg> If you've forgotten the <MySQL> root password, /etc/init.d/mysql stop; mysqld --skip-grant-tables; mysql -u root; use mysql; UPDATE user SET Password=PASSWORD('mynewpassword') WHERE User='root'; FLUSH PRIVILEGES; C-d; stop mysqld; /etc/init.d/mysql start See also replaced-url
3283 [22:51:48] <jhutchins_wk> AlexPortable: If you're serious about Linux system administration you should expect to spend three hours a day reading documentation - and not just readme files and howtos (and irc).
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3286 [22:52:36] <ForceRecon> fckna!
3287 [22:52:37] <MichaelP> Where is the debian 9 net instaler iso ?
3288 [22:52:48] <teraflops> in the cloud!
3289 [22:52:52] <jhutchins_wk> AlexPortable: replaced-url
3290 [22:52:53] <missmbob> MichaelP: i'm sure you can google that one out.
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3292 [22:53:17] <missmbob> if you cant, you shouldnt use testing
3293 [22:53:21] <MichaelP> missmbob: i did.. i kept gettting the stable for net installer
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3295 [22:53:34] <greycat> hint: debian 9 is "stretch"
3296 [22:53:59] <jhutchins_wk> AlexPortable: That's a good general start. Read all of it. You won't understand everything, but you'll be able to see something later and say "wasn't that in the SAG?"
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3301 [22:58:21] <MichaelP> i found it
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3379 [23:32:45] <dirac1> Ehmm there's no systemd service file for openvpn?
3380 [23:33:32] <teraflops> dirac1: there are 2 actually
3381 [23:33:41] <dirac1> where they're?.
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3383 [23:34:10] <teraflops> I said so
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3388 [23:35:16] <dirac1> :/... when i do systemctl enable openv [tab] nothing happens.
3389 [23:36:46] <missmbob> replaced-url
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3399 [23:42:01] <teraflops> dirac1: just sudo systemctl enable openvpn@nameoftheconfigfile.service
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3406 [23:42:28] <teraflops> the conf file has to be located at /etc/openvpn
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3410 [23:42:53] <teraflops> e.g sudo systemctl enable openvpn@server.service
3411 [23:42:59] <teraflops> then start it
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3414 [23:43:39] <teraflops> I said 2 because by default _iirc_ there's a server and client conf files there
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3435 [23:53:15] <guest007> need help php shell_exec('myscript.sh $var1');
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3440 [23:54:03] <missmbob> /j #php would be better
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