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19 [00:09:53] <akk> Hi. Is there a package that will get me the latest kernel of a particular type (e.g. -686-pae)?
20 [00:10:22] <akk> I'm forever discovering that I'm way behind on kernel version because I haven't explicitly installed linux-image-biggernum.
21 [00:10:30] <petn-randall> akk: Usually 'linux-image-<architecture>'.
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23 [00:10:43] <jelly> akk: it's just linux-image-686-pae
24 [00:10:45] <petn-randall> akk: If you're running jessie, you should have 3.16.
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26 [00:10:51] <petn-randall> ,kernels
27 [00:10:52] <judd> Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.11.0-trunk-686 (4.11-1~exp2); sid: 4.9.0-3-686 (4.9.25-1); stretch: 4.9.0-3-686 (4.9.25-1); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.2-686-pae (4.9.18-1~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.43-2); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.88-1)
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29 [00:11:23] <akk> I have linux-image-686-pae marked as installed, but my most recent kernel seems to be 3.2.0-4 (on jessie).
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31 [00:11:39] <akk> While aptitude search linux-image says there are quite a few newer versions available.
32 [00:11:42] <jelly> akk: dpkg -l linux-image-686-pae | tail -n 1
33 [00:12:19] <jelly> oh, for jessie -pae was dropped from the abi name.
34 [00:12:29] <jelly> akk: so it's just linux-image-686 now
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38 [00:13:11] <jelly> no, sorry, that's after jessie.
39 [00:13:26] <jelly> ,v linux-image-686-pae --arch i386
40 [00:13:27] <judd> Package: linux-image-686-pae on i386 -- wheezy: 3.2+46; wheezy-backports: 3.16+63~bpo70+1; jessie: 3.16+63; jessie-backports: 4.9+79~bpo8+1; sid: 4.9+80; stretch: 4.9+80
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42 [00:14:08] <AlexLikeRock> im
43 [00:14:08] <jelly> akk: so which version of linux-image-686-pae do you have installed?
44 [00:14:20] <AlexLikeRock> 4.9.0-3-686
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46 [00:14:25] <akk> I have a vmlinuz-3.16.0-4-686-pae in /boot but I have no initrd to go with it, so when I tried to boot into it I got sadness.
47 [00:14:38] <akk> 3.16+63
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49 [00:14:46] <akk> Maybe I need to reinstall.
50 [00:15:08] * akk tries that
51 [00:15:20] <jelly> akk: for starters, do a dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-3.16.0-4-686-pae
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55 [00:16:19] <akk> Ah, apt-get install --reinstall did put an initrd there. Maybe it was an install glitch.
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62 [00:18:43] <AlexPortable> Any way I can get a list of installed packages and compare them with the default installation? I want to know what was installed over the years
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67 [00:20:48] <akk> Thanks, jelly and all. After apt-get install --reinstall and dpkg-reconfigure, I have 3.16 booting.
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69 [00:20:59] <Eduard_Munteanu> AlexPortable, dpkg --get-selections
70 [00:21:36] <AlexPortable> Eduard_Munteanu: any way I can exclude the dependencies?
71 [00:21:48] <jelly> !aptitude clone
72 [00:21:48] <dpkg> To clone a Debian machine using aptitude (or install your favourite packages) use aptitude search --disable-columns -F%p '~i!~M!~v' > package_list; on the reference machine; xargs aptitude --schedule-only install < package_list; aptitude install; on the other machine. This preserves information about "automatically installed" packages that other methods do not. See also <reinstall>, <things to backup>, <debian clone>, <apt-clone>.
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74 [00:22:08] <jelly> AlexPortable: ^ just that first aptitude command
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78 [00:24:08] <AlexPortable> i never installed bash myself
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81 [00:27:13] <Eduard_Munteanu> bash is probably in the basic set of packages normally installed by the Debian installer
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83 [00:27:46] <AlexPortable> Can I exclude that?
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87 [00:28:57] <Eduard_Munteanu> Hm, you may be able to exclude packages marked as essential, but not sure.
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105 [00:43:59] <dogui> I run awesomewm and have keybindings to change th ebrightness/volume, how can I a notification with the brightness level on each change? I mean something with a bar like Ubuntu has, not just calling notify-send on each press, which is easy to do
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160 [01:09:10] <cerebro> is there a stretch/v9 live cd available atm?
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162 [01:09:30] <pavukilla> i'd like to install pavuk, however i can't find it on the repositories past sid for debian, should i enable sid repos or what to do
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164 [01:09:53] <pavukilla> very useful program, dont' know why it was discontinued
165 [01:09:57] <pavukilla> don't know where i can find the source either
166 [01:10:26] <Brigo> pavukilla, you can get the sources from the debian repositories.
167 [01:10:28] <dvs> ,v pavuk
168 [01:10:29] <judd> Package: pavuk on amd64 -- wheezy: 0.9.35-2.3; stretch: 0.9.35-6; sid: 0.9.35-6
169 [01:10:41] <dvs> heh, it's just not in jessie
170 [01:11:12] <cerebro> replaced-url
171 [01:11:29] <Brigo> pavukilla, i would try a simple sid backport
172 [01:11:31] <Brigo> !ssb
173 [01:11:32] <dpkg> First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
174 [01:12:00] <Brigo> checkbackport pavuk
175 [01:12:06] <Brigo> ,checkbackport pavuk
176 [01:12:10] <judd> Backporting package pavuk in sid→jessie/amd64: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: libsocks4 [linux-any].
177 [01:12:17] <Brigo> ,checkbackport libsocks4
178 [01:12:18] <judd> Backporting package libsocks4 in sid→jessie/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using jessie.
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180 [01:12:35] <Brigo> you will have to backport libsocks4 first
181 [01:12:51] <pavukilla> This package has "Build-Depends: libsocks4" while socks4-server needs a new maintainer, see O #485646.
182 [01:12:53] <judd> Bug replaced-url
183 [01:14:03] <Brigo> very all bug.
184 [01:14:09] <Brigo> old, sorry.
185 [01:14:40] <pavukilla> so do i have a hope or do i need to downgrade to sid to use pavuk
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187 [01:16:35] <pavukilla> ubuntu still maintains it, can i use that
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189 [01:16:54] <pavukilla> or do i need an ubuntu partition to use this program
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192 [01:17:36] <pavukilla> replaced-url
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194 [01:17:42] <Brigo> pavukilla, i would try the ssb
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197 [01:18:22] <pavukilla> how do i go about doing that, sorry i understand what it means just don't know how to do it
198 [01:18:39] <Brigo> !ssb
199 [01:18:39] <pavukilla> it's useful enough i'd switch to ubuntu over it, & the thought makes me shudder
200 [01:18:40] <dpkg> First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
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202 [01:19:26] <Brigo> pavukilla, basically you have the get the package sources and compile them in wheezy, with wheezy libraries and tools.
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204 [01:20:07] <pavukilla> i'm running jessie though
205 [01:20:22] <pavukilla> virtually you mean?
206 [01:20:24] <pavukilla> sorry
207 [01:21:35] <pavukilla> can i just follow this
208 [01:21:36] <pavukilla> replaced-url
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210 [01:22:09] <dvs> pavukilla, there is no backport for that package
211 [01:22:33] <pavukilla> thank you
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213 [01:23:59] <Brigo> pavukilla, sorry, is too late here: s/wheezy/jessie/
214 [01:25:42] <pavukilla> gotcha, so.. i'm not too sure how to compile or do any of this, anyone available to help
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216 [01:25:57] <pavukilla> i understand the process but am not too good at it
217 [01:26:50] <pavukilla> i can try to figure it out otherwise and ask when i hit snags?
218 [01:27:02] <pavukilla> !uupdate
219 [01:27:03] <dpkg> uupdate (in the <devscripts> package) upgrades a source code package from an upstream revision, or e.g. if the newest foo in debian is 1.2, and upstream is at 1.4: apt-get source foo; wget -nd replaced-url
220 [01:27:33] <pavukilla> ..let me open a private chat sorry y'all
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225 [01:29:38] <Brigo> pavukilla, it is almost automatic, just do as dpkg tells in the message:
226 [01:29:40] <Brigo> !ssb
227 [01:29:40] <dpkg> First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
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230 [01:30:27] <Brigo> aptitude build-dep packagename will build the dependencies and apt-get -b source packagename will build the package itself.
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232 [01:30:41] <Brigo> then you just have to install them.
233 [01:31:53] <Brigo> pavukilla, and i have to go to sleep, sorry and good luck.
234 [01:32:10] <pavukilla> thanks so much
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237 [01:33:42] <pavukilla> how do i enable debian-backports, when i ask dpkg about bdo it doesn't help, just add a line to sources.list?
238 [01:33:52] <uxfi> hello pavukilla
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241 [01:34:25] <pavukilla> nvm i got it
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249 [01:39:03] <pavukilla> ran into a snag
250 [01:39:03] <pavukilla> replaced-url
251 [01:39:10] <pavukilla> hey uxfi
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254 [01:39:39] <pavukilla> same as the bug from 6 years ago i think?
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257 [01:41:04] <pavukilla> sorry just read brigo told me to backport libsocks4 first
258 [01:41:06] <pavukilla> lemme try that
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269 [01:45:09] <pavukilla> ,checkbackport libsocks4
270 [01:45:10] <judd> Backporting package libsocks4 in sid→jessie/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using jessie.
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275 [01:47:01] <pavukilla> ok hit another snag
276 [01:47:04] <pavukilla> replaced-url
277 [01:47:40] <pavukilla> i added the backports page as per the instructions but sid doesn't have amd64 i think?
278 [01:47:51] <cafuego> bad internode mirror. bad!
279 [01:48:00] <pavukilla> following this replaced-url
280 [01:48:17] <pavukilla> could be totally off-base but how to fix?
281 [01:48:19] <cafuego> pavukilla: Could just be the mirror, tbh.
282 [01:48:25] <pavukilla> try a different one then?
283 [01:48:35] <cafuego> Just to be sure.
284 [01:48:46] <cafuego> That one's run by my ISP and I find it out of sync fairly often.
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286 [01:49:39] <pavukilla> same issue
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292 [01:52:36] <AlexLikeRock> pavukilla , change you repositories to other country
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298 [01:55:39] <pavukilla> the issue is with deb.debian.org
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300 [01:56:14] <pavukilla> us.debian.org seems to work for the rest of them
301 [01:56:32] <pavukilla> but the backports i'm adding manually
302 [01:56:47] <pavukilla> deb replaced-url
303 [01:56:58] <pavukilla> but deb replaced-url
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305 [01:57:14] <pavukilla> i don't know where to find a list of mirrors
306 [01:57:17] <pavukilla> for those
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313 [01:59:36] <cafuego> So, er, where are you seeing that you should add "debian-backports" ?
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316 [02:00:17] <cafuego> It's the name of a mailing list, not a directory on a mirror server.
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318 [02:00:27] <pavukilla> ok, misunderstood dpkg
319 [02:00:34] <pavukilla> thank you
320 [02:00:50] <cafuego> If you specify the distro (jessie/wheezy/whatvs) it ought to all work as advertised.
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324 [02:01:21] <pavukilla> that indeed worked
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326 [02:01:31] <pavukilla> sorry i'm an idiot i guess
327 [02:01:44] <cafuego> It's easy, not enough coffee ;-)
328 [02:01:48] <cafuego> early, even
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330 [02:02:06] <pavukilla> also first time ever doing this and i'm only somewhat familiar with the command line
331 [02:03:40] <AlexLikeRock> fine , this its my BUG , my contribution replaced-url
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333 [02:03:56] <cafuego> No need to apologise, we've all done far sillier things :-)
334 [02:03:59] <pavukilla> ,checkbackport libsocks4
335 [02:04:00] <judd> Backporting package libsocks4 in sid→jessie/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using jessie.
336 [02:04:19] <pavukilla> so that means there should be a backport right
337 [02:04:46] <pavukilla> replaced-url
338 [02:04:48] <cafuego> pavukilla: No, that just means that it's possible to create a backport
339 [02:04:56] <pavukilla> oh
340 [02:05:09] <pavukilla> so i have to manually backport that too, correct?
341 [02:05:27] <cafuego> pavukilla: So if you grab the libsocks4 source package from sid, you can build a backport on jessie with available jessie packages.
342 [02:05:35] <pavukilla> ok great
343 [02:05:37] <pavukilla> thank you
344 [02:05:44] <pavukilla> i should be good from here
345 [02:05:54] <cafuego> good luck, we're all counting on you
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347 [02:06:25] <pavukilla> ;)
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349 [02:06:34] <tfgbd_znc> How do I get the kernel headers for my android kernel?
350 [02:06:46] <tfgbd_znc> Do I need to compile a whole kernel just for that?
351 [02:07:05] <pavukilla> pavuk is so useful, if i knew how to maintain it for jessie i would
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353 [02:07:10] <pavukilla> great tool
354 [02:08:00] <AlexLikeRock> I hope they close it as always,
355 [02:08:01] <AlexLikeRock> Saying that it is not valid, it is not relevant,
356 [02:08:01] <AlexLikeRock> Or that I go to another place to report it,
357 [02:08:01] <AlexLikeRock> Because as always, when they freeze a version of DEBIAN.
358 [02:08:01] <AlexLikeRock> Always try to close all BUGS arbitrarily.
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361 [02:08:07] <tfgbd_znc> I'm using jessie in Linux Deploy with an Android kernel so I can't use the kernel headers from Debian.
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363 [02:09:51] <tfgbd_znc> At least I don't think.
364 [02:10:02] <tfgbd_znc> I need them for VMWare.
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374 [02:18:08] <pavukilla> ok, libsocks4 is successfully installed, pavuk still not installing correctly
375 [02:18:27] <pavukilla> replaced-url
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377 [02:18:46] <pavukilla> my gut says q
378 [02:19:04] <pavukilla> don't want to wreck my computer messing with a bunch of old packages, what did i do wrong
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393 [02:27:59] <pavukilla> no help? :( don't want to quit now, so close for a noob like myself
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395 [02:29:28] <dvs> So close? You just added the backports repo
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398 [02:31:04] <pavukilla> sorry i also backported libsocks4 & successfully installed it
399 [02:31:33] <pavukilla> maybe it feels like nothing but i thought that would do it as per brigo
400 [02:31:52] <dvs> <Brigo> aptitude build-dep packagename will build the dependencies and apt-get -b source packagename will build the package itself.
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402 [02:33:04] <pavukilla> that's what i ran
403 [02:33:34] <pavukilla> first line: aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep pavuk; apt-get -b source pavuk;
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407 [02:36:20] <pavukilla> it seems it's not acting as supposed to but i don't know why or how to fix it
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409 [02:38:01] <dirac1> Hello anyone here have mounted a OpenVPN server?
410 [02:38:34] <dvs> pavukilla, I've never does this before but I'd try: aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude -t sid build-dep pavuk; apt-get -t sid -b source pavuk
411 [02:38:50] <petn-randall> dirac1: It's better to ask your real question.
412 [02:39:28] <dirac1> I want to mount one, but i found two alternatives, using OpenVPN-AS and terminal-only deployment.
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414 [02:40:08] <pavukilla> thank you dvs, basically The value 'sid' is invalid for APT::Default-Release as such a release is not available in the sources
415 [02:40:16] <dirac1> Which one should i choose?.
416 [02:40:25] <Yojimbo> Hey guys. Sorry if this was asked before. Im new to debian, and i want to install the most current firefox. How is this commonly done in Debian. I'm using Debian Jesse
417 [02:40:28] <petn-randall> dirac1: What do you exactly mean with 'mount one'? You usually mount filesystems, and install software.
418 [02:40:38] <petn-randall> !mozilla
419 [02:40:38] <dpkg> Mozilla Application Suite (originally Mozilla) is an unmaintained set of Internet-oriented applications, succeeded by SeaMonkey. The <Mozilla Foundation> is focusing on Firefox and Thunderbird development. See also <seamonkey>, <firefox>, <thunderbird>.
420 [02:40:40] <dirac1> Install the software.
421 [02:41:03] <petn-randall> !mozilla.debian.net
422 [02:41:03] <dirac1> And make it usable for two or three devices access the VPN.
423 [02:41:03] <dpkg> For stable releases, newer versions of Firefox, Icedove and Iceape can be found at replaced-url
424 [02:41:10] <petn-randall> Yojimbo: ^^^
425 [02:41:19] <Yojimbo> awesome! Thanks dpkg
426 [02:41:22] <Yojimbo> and petn-randall
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430 [02:42:08] <petn-randall> dirac1: The usual approach is to install the package openvpn and configure it.
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434 [02:42:41] <dirac1> Not using the OpenVPN-AS?
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440 [02:45:56] <dirac1> I found thisreplaced-url
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445 [02:46:19] <dirac1> It'll be my main guide..
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448 [02:49:27] <Yojimbo> oh wow. it works. its running 52.1 now
449 [02:49:39] <Yojimbo> that was super quick and painless. Thanks guys :)
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454 [02:53:22] <petn-randall> dirac1: That should work.
455 [02:53:57] <dirac1> Will be a great way to understand the protocol aswell.
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462 [02:58:28] <Devastator> what is the name of debian stable image with kernel from backports? kmuto?
463 [02:59:32] <dvs> Devastator, yeah, but I think he stopped working on it since wheezy
464 [02:59:39] <petn-randall> Devastator: kmuto.jp used to build them, but ... what dvs said.
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466 [03:00:14] <dvs> darn it, kenny!
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468 [03:01:10] <Devastator> dvs, petn-randall I have a friend that has a Ryzen and he is trying all kinds of linux distros to make it work properly, I suggested debian, but he needs at least kernel 4.10, what are his options?
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470 [03:01:43] <dvs> Not even stretch has a 4.10 kernel
471 [03:01:54] <Devastator> ,kernels
472 [03:01:55] <judd> Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.11.0-trunk-686 (4.11-1~exp2); sid: 4.9.0-3-686 (4.9.25-1); stretch: 4.9.0-3-686 (4.9.25-1); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.2-686-pae (4.9.18-1~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.43-2); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.88-1)
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477 [03:02:57] <Devastator> dvs maybe 4.9 is enough.. but as kmuto isn't building it anymore, what are the options?
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479 [03:04:43] <dvs> Devastator, stretch installer?
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483 [03:05:20] <Devastator> dvs maybe, thank you!
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487 [03:08:56] <petn-randall> Devastator: Why not just build yourself?
488 [03:09:14] <petn-randall> Devastator: Most distros (including Debian) support building/install your own kernel.
489 [03:09:41] <petn-randall> Devastator: Just checkout the source from kernel.org, configure it, run 'make deb-pkg' and install the resulting package.
490 [03:10:02] <Devastator> petn-randall it is an option, but as it is not for me I can only suggest it to him
491 [03:11:15] <uxfi> hi petn-randall !
492 [03:12:16] <AlexPortable> Why did debian choose to use system.d and why are some people completely against it?
493 [03:12:44] <petn-randall> !why systemd
494 [03:12:44] <dpkg> a tired argument. Start by reading rra's excellent analysis at replaced-url
495 [03:12:50] <petn-randall> AlexPortable: ^^^
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497 [03:13:29] <petn-randall> hi uxfi
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528 [03:51:54] <AlexPortable> How about resolved, is it also there ?
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606 [04:57:57] <veek> how do i install apt-get install openjdk-8-jre openjdk-8-jre-headless
607 [04:58:13] <veek> i get openjdk-8-jre-headless : Depends: ca-certificates-java but it is not going to be installed E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.
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634 [05:15:45] <mi11k1> im trying to setup ipsec client as per replaced-url
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636 [05:16:34] <mi11k1> just enter those lines in the console?
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639 [05:17:57] <Yojimbo> hey guys. I have a i7 processor, and im running Jessie. I installed steam following replaced-url
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641 [05:18:29] <mi11k1> Yojimbo, probably not
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646 [05:18:59] <Yojimbo> i guess i could just try it and see, huh
647 [05:19:10] <mi11k1> you should have done your graphics first
648 [05:19:21] <Yojimbo> well i actually did that the first time
649 [05:19:26] <Yojimbo> and after i installed steam
650 [05:19:34] <Yojimbo> it kernel paniced after restart
651 [05:19:39] <mi11k1> yah, thats what i do, just go for the gusto
652 [05:19:42] <Yojimbo> so i reinstalled and im trying it again
653 [05:19:49] <Yojimbo> this time the other way. haha
654 [05:20:20] <uxfi> Hi debian freinds
655 [05:20:22] <mi11k1> yah, i find every system has its little quirks with grapohics and what not
656 [05:20:24] <uxfi> :)
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658 [05:20:31] <Yojimbo> yeah
659 [05:20:34] <Yojimbo> hi uxfi
660 [05:20:37] <uxfi> hi mi11k1
661 [05:20:39] <uxfi> hi Yojimbo
662 [05:20:40] <uxfi> how u doing
663 [05:20:46] <mi11k1> i have an old legacy nvidia, and its a pain
664 [05:20:56] <Yojimbo> uxfi: doing good. trying to setup a debian gaming rig
665 [05:21:00] <mi11k1> what card is it?
666 [05:21:03] <uxfi> ah
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668 [05:21:10] <uxfi> Yojimbo; gaming rig? for what game?
669 [05:21:13] <Yojimbo> its a gtx980
670 [05:21:15] <Yojimbo> nothing fancy
671 [05:21:19] <uxfi> oh nice
672 [05:21:45] <Yojimbo> uxfi mostly stuff on steam. i like stradegy games like Civ V
673 [05:21:58] <uxfi> oh ok
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675 [05:22:02] <Yojimbo> stuff that i can spend hours on
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677 [05:22:12] <mi11k1> are you trying to use nvidias drivers?
678 [05:22:24] <mi11k1> or i guess nit, sisnce you said backports
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681 [05:24:41] <Yojimbo> yeah im just following the wiki for nvidiagraphics
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683 [05:24:56] <Yojimbo> for my card, to install the nvidia graphics drivers i have to pull it from backports
684 [05:25:10] <Yojimbo> tbh a lot of it is above my knowledge. i just follow the wiki haha
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686 [05:25:21] <Yojimbo> but then the steam wiki said to use the 32bit drivers
687 [05:25:25] <Cr4shPwn3r> hello
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689 [05:25:46] <Cr4shPwn3r> can i have a cloak please
690 [05:26:02] <Yojimbo> Cr4shPwn3r: you need to go to #freenode for that, amigo
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692 [05:26:49] <mi11k1> Yojimbo, whats the link for the wiki youre at?
693 [05:27:09] <Yojimbo> does that mean i should run apt-get install -t jessie-backports nvidia-driver:386 ?
694 [05:27:32] <Yojimbo> replaced-url
695 [05:27:42] <mi11k1> did you do dpkg --add-architeture i386?
696 [05:28:00] <Yojimbo> yeah i had to do that to isntall steam
697 [05:28:04] <Yojimbo> following the steam wiki
698 [05:28:13] <Yojimbo> i mean wiki.debian.org/Steam
699 [05:28:46] <Yojimbo> im just gonna try it. then if it doesn't work. reinstall
700 [05:28:51] <Yojimbo> haha
701 [05:29:05] <Yojimbo> then once i get the right formula, document it all in case i need to do it again in the future
702 [05:29:37] <mi11k1> just try without the 386 first maybe
703 [05:29:41] <Yojimbo> ok
704 [05:30:07] <mi11k1> ive never used steam, or graphics stuff really
705 [05:30:45] <mi11k1> did you install dkms?
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707 [05:31:45] <veek> weird i did apt-get install -t jessie-backports openjdk-8-jdk maven libopenjfx-java
708 [05:32:03] <veek> but java is -v 7
709 [05:32:15] <Yojimbo> mi11k1: i have not installed dkms
710 [05:32:19] <Yojimbo> i don't even know what that is
711 [05:32:21] <Yojimbo> do i need it?
712 [05:32:40] <mi11k1> Yojimbo, replaced-url
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714 [05:33:05] <mi11k1> it looks like it install the 386 stuff already
715 [05:33:46] <Yojimbo> oh ok
716 [05:33:55] <mi11k1> install dkms
717 [05:34:15] <mi11k1> replaced-url
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719 [05:34:16] <veek> crud i have 2 java's installed hmm
720 [05:34:25] <mi11k1> yah open and oracle
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722 [05:35:11] <Yojimbo> ok ill try it
723 [05:35:28] <mi11k1> veek, oracle and openjdk?
724 [05:35:42] <veek> openjdk
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726 [05:35:57] <veek> working
727 [05:36:21] <mi11k1> did you install oracle ?
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729 [05:36:45] <veek> nope
730 [05:36:50] <mi11k1> what do you mean 2 installed?
731 [05:36:51] <veek> jessie-backports
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734 [05:38:44] <mi11k1> you have 7 and 8 installed? i dont about java, i use oracles
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736 [05:40:17] <mi11k1> veek, replaced-url
737 [05:40:26] * veek noddles
738 [05:40:34] <veek> i'm compiling bitsquare
739 [05:41:02] <veek> it uses java so..
740 [05:42:34] <mi11k1> from git?
741 [05:43:56] <mi11k1> i dont think its required to compile it, but it runs in java. they have prebuilt deb packages i see
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743 [05:44:29] <mi11k1> you just need jre not jdk
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747 [05:45:14] <mi11k1> and i should say, im guessing
748 [05:45:54] <Yojimbo> Ok, nvidia drivers installed. it looks like it built i386 drivers as well
749 [05:46:00] <Yojimbo> xorg conf made. time to restart
750 [05:46:06] <Yojimbo> the moment of truth heh
751 [05:46:23] <dvs> bam!
752 [05:46:30] <mi11k1> youre good
753 [05:48:08] <Yojimbo> well
754 [05:48:13] <Yojimbo> it didn't kernel panic this time
755 [05:48:14] <Yojimbo> so thats good
756 [05:48:16] <Yojimbo> hah
757 [05:48:24] <Yojimbo> gonna check to make sure its running off the nvidia driver
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761 [05:50:35] <Yojimbo> wow
762 [05:50:38] <Yojimbo> it works :)
763 [05:50:41] <Yojimbo> and steam launches
764 [05:50:57] <Yojimbo> istill gotta transfer my steam library over from backup and test the games out though
765 [05:51:00] <mi11k1> there you go bud
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767 [05:51:02] <Yojimbo> but so far so good :)
768 [05:51:09] <Yojimbo> thanks for your help mi11k1
769 [05:51:42] <mi11k1> no problem
770 [05:52:17] <mi11k1> make a backup of that xorg config that yiu made too
771 [05:53:10] <mi11k1> someting always overwrites mine, but its headless now anyways, so whatev
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948 [08:36:10] <zaphir> good morning to all
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956 [08:38:14] <uxfi> hi zaphir wher are you from?
957 [08:38:22] <zaphir> slovakia
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959 [08:38:31] <uxfi> ah
960 [08:38:36] <uxfi> zeitsofa; not SLovenia :P
961 [08:38:56] <zaphir> its a oblivious view :-D
962 [08:39:07] <Uhrheber> Hi. Is there a simple way to put all Debian 8 installation disks on one USB stick, so I can boot from it and install everything directly?
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972 [08:42:35] <zaphir> Urheber, you mean copy all home folder?
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976 [08:45:14] <missmbob> Uhrheber: no
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1006 [09:02:35] <Uhrheber> missmbob: The thing is, I want to install to thin clients that have only an internal flash disk, but no CD/DVD, and I have a bad internet connection, so netinstall is a pain in the back. Would be great to have everything on one stick.
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1014 [09:05:17] <at0m> Uhrheber: i assume these clients are on a LAN? maybe look at apt-cacher, acng
1015 [09:05:57] <at0m> you will download every package only once, and cache it with that proxy
1016 [09:06:00] <missmbob> Uhrheber: you could use jigdo to create a dlbd image. doubt you'd need anything out of the 1st image of that
1017 [09:06:18] <at0m> probably less bw than downloading all installation disks
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1019 [09:06:46] <Uhrheber> I have all the bandwidth I want at work, but unfortunately not at home.
1020 [09:06:51] <at0m> the installation disk will have lots of packages you will not install
1021 [09:06:59] <at0m> ah, i see
1022 [09:07:02] <missmbob> Uhrheber: replaced-url
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1033 [09:14:45] <jelly> Uhrheber: netinstall and your own mirror
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1036 [09:16:08] <Uhrheber> jelly: Can't I put all the files on a stick, and point the installation script to that?
1037 [09:16:40] <jelly> you still need a valid repo structure
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1039 [09:18:44] <Uhrheber> Strange, that, in the age of Bluray disks and 256GB USB sticks, there isn't a single big image.
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1121 [09:57:59] <funabashi> Hey guys , ist possible to join/attach to a session? pts/10 i have root on the box.
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1126 [10:00:02] <Iridos> funabashi, ttysnoop
1127 [10:00:29] <Iridos> (kind of)
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1163 [10:21:13] <funabashi> Cannot connect to server. Is it really a valid socket?
1164 [10:21:20] <funabashi> it said that
1165 [10:21:57] <funabashi> pts/10 2a00:S.0 Wed12 3days 1.33s 1.30s /bin/bash
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1184 [10:28:58] <asakha> All > 0/
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1218 [10:45:33] <jelly> dpkg: greet asakha
1219 [10:45:34] <dpkg> Gr33tz, asakha
1220 [10:46:44] <jelly> funabashi: only with dirty hacks, like reptyr
1221 [10:46:56] <jelly> (use tmux or screen next time)
1222 [10:47:05] <jelly> ,i reptyr
1223 [10:47:06] <judd> Package reptyr (misc, optional) in jessie/amd64: Tool for moving running programs between ptys. Version: 0.5-1; Size: 19.4k; Installed: 77k; Homepage: replaced-url
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1226 [10:47:42] <jelly> funabashi: oh... it _is_ a screen? 2a00:S.0
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1228 [10:48:16] <jelly> funabashi: what does "screen -ls" say
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1231 [10:49:12] <jelly> funabashi: you'll have to run it as the same user that started screen in the first place. Possibly not root.
1232 [10:49:29] <asakha> jelly: What do you mean by "screen -ls" ? You mean ... Fox ? *Asakha goes away*
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1235 [10:50:39] <jelly> that reference flew over my head, I have bad reflexes
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1241 [10:53:03] <Iridos> jelly, ttysnoop!
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1288 [11:13:22] <Iridos> although… if it's a screen, there's of course an easier way to connect to it :)
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1382 [12:08:01] <SwashBuckla_> hi there. Is there a way to do a reverse lookup of a package and see what packages depend on X?
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1385 [12:08:29] <SwashBuckla_> I have python tk8.4, and I want to find the corresponding version of python-tk that depends on tk8.4
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1387 [12:10:00] <Iridos> yes… there is apt-cache rdepends and apt-rdepends (separate package)
1388 [12:10:16] <Iridos> the latter I think needs -r … read the man page(s)
1389 [12:10:46] <SwashBuckla_> Iridos: excellent!
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1403 [12:20:37] <Night_Elf> Hi all. Is there a way to install php 5.6 in debian7 ? What it has is php 5.4 .
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1409 [12:25:19] <Night_Elf> ok, I am using what is mentioned here for php-5.6 under debian7: replaced-url
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1412 [12:25:55] <SwashBuckla_> Iridos: no luck! I ran `apt-cache rdepends tk8.4` in the hope of seeing `python-tkN.N` in there, telling me the specific version I'd need to install, but instead all I saw was "Reverse Depends: blt; printer-driver-foo2zjs".
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1416 [12:32:43] <SwashBuckla_> apt-cache rdepends seems to only list reverse-dependencies of packages you already have, which is useless for my purposes.
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1431 [12:46:25] <funabashi> jelly: thanks it was a dead zombie process
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1436 [12:47:41] <LINUX-NEW> Hi all, i have any error in startup process with my dell latitude, is possible to bypass to speed up boot ? the error is about any firmware missing but i check on internet and these firmware no needed in the system...
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1466 [12:58:32] <AN0NYM> @LINUX-NEW: just ignore these messages if it's working
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1468 [12:58:59] <Iridos> SwashBuckla_, there are not several version of that packaged anyway
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1470 [12:59:22] <LINUX-NEW> anonnumberanon, ?
1471 [12:59:35] <AN0NYM> ?
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1476 [13:03:42] <jelly> !
1477 [13:04:16] <jelly> LINUX-NEW: it's probably not the missing firmware that slows down boot in any noticeable way
1478 [13:04:19] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
1479 [13:04:37] <LINUX-NEW> how can i fix ?
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1483 [13:07:47] <jelly> LINUX-NEW: first you have to figure out _what_ to fix. systemd-analyze may help with that.
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1496 [13:14:47] <SwashBuckla_> <Iridos> SwashBuckla_, there are not several version of that packaged anyway
1497 [13:14:58] <SwashBuckla_> Iridos: Yes, there are.
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1499 [13:15:21] <SwashBuckla_> Iridos: replaced-url
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1504 [13:18:18] <jelly> Night_Elf: no
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1509 [13:19:33] <jelly> well, you can certainly try to use dotdeb but those builds have other issues
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1511 [13:20:13] <Night_Elf> jelly: I see.
1512 [13:20:27] <Night_Elf> Is there any other repos I can use for this purpose ?
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1514 [13:21:34] <jelly> if you absolutely need 5.6, doing a release upgrade to debian 8 is the sanest way to do it, from distro installation consistency PoV
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1516 [13:21:55] <jelly> but that is not a trivial task (eg. apache 2.2 -> 2.4 is a pain in itself)
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1521 [13:22:44] <jelly> might as well mirgate to nginx + php5-fpm at that point
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1525 [13:24:02] <Night_Elf> Distro upgrades are not viable for me right now though. On the other hand the system I am using is a work workstation machine that is used as a desktop mostly and for testing things ocasionally.
1526 [13:24:06] <Iridos> SwashBuckla_, no, you don't understand. There are always different versions of the same package on snapshots, because that contains all versions of the same package ever made. But there are only very few packages of which debian offers different versions for the same release. And those have the version number in the package name, e.g. libtk8.5
1527 [13:25:08] <jelly> Night_Elf: consider setting up a jessie chroot to test things in then, maybe
1528 [13:25:13] <Night_Elf> jelly: So I guess my option for now is to see the packages from dotdeb. But what are the issues you spoke about with those packages ?
1529 [13:25:19] <jelly> !dotdeb
1530 [13:25:19] <dpkg> replaced-url
1531 [13:25:41] <Night_Elf> jelly: Will the chroot not complain with my wheezy kernel ?
1532 [13:25:50] <jelly> it won't
1533 [13:25:53] <Night_Elf> ah ok.
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1538 [13:27:20] <SwashBuckla_> Iridos: so... how do I determine which will work for my machine?
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1540 [13:27:45] <SwashBuckla_> I have python2.7.2+ installed, and tk8.4
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1642 [14:10:21] <SwashBuckla_> how do I determine which version of python-tk will work for my machine? replaced-url
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1659 [14:18:54] <Eryn_1983_FL> hi peeps i am having trouble with 7zip can somebody help on cli?
1660 [14:19:02] <Eryn_1983_FL> 7zr a -v10m ?
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1662 [14:19:12] <Eryn_1983_FL> is that right? i want volumes of 10 Mb
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1665 [14:20:08] <cef> Eryn_1983_FL: seems right
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1667 [14:20:41] <Eryn_1983_FL> System error:
1668 [14:20:43] <Eryn_1983_FL> E_NOTIMPL
1669 [14:20:46] <Eryn_1983_FL> thats the error i get..
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1672 [14:22:28] <cef> hrm.. which version of 7z?
1673 [14:22:46] <cef> cos it works on Stretch.. can't help you on Jessie I'm afraid
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1675 [14:23:06] <cef> you're passing filenames to it?
1676 [14:23:42] <Eryn_1983_FL> 7-Zip (A) [64] 9.20 Copyright (c) 1999-2010 Igor Pavlov 2010-11-18
1677 [14:23:47] <Eryn_1983_FL> yeah
1678 [14:23:55] <Eryn_1983_FL> it works fine w/o volume switch
1679 [14:24:12] <cef> hrm.. Stretch has 16.02
1680 [14:24:14] <woshty> Eryn_1983_FL: Have you tried the regular 7z? Same?
1681 [14:24:28] <Eryn_1983_FL> 7z?
1682 [14:24:33] <Eryn_1983_FL> regular how do i use that?
1683 [14:24:41] <cef> yeah just use 7z, not 7zr
1684 [14:24:49] <cef> same options
1685 [14:24:54] <Eryn_1983_FL> yeah same error
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1688 [14:26:23] <SwashBuckla_> how do I determine which version of python-tk will work for my machine? replaced-url
1689 [14:26:38] <Iridos> SwashBuckla_, there is nothing to determine. There is one version for stable and one for testing (and one in sid scheduled to enter testin, although that isn't exactly true because we are so close to a release)
1690 [14:26:46] <SwashBuckla_> I don't and can't access the internet to do simple dependency resolution
1691 [14:27:18] <SwashBuckla_> (which is rather annoying)
1692 [14:28:28] <Iridos> there isn't really a version choice there.
1693 [14:28:45] <SwashBuckla_> Iridos: I downloaded the 'one version for stable' as you say, but I found that it depended on tk8.5, libtk8.5, libtcl8.5, libc6, and various other things that I don't have
1694 [14:29:02] <SwashBuckla_> so the version was the wrong version
1695 [14:29:15] <SwashBuckla_> I need one whose dependencies are tk8.4, etc
1696 [14:29:24] <Iridos> yes, you need those
1697 [14:29:30] <Iridos> if you want that package
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1699 [14:29:50] <Iridos> there are various ways to get all dependencies in one go if you're offline
1700 [14:29:56] <SwashBuckla_> oh! How?
1701 [14:30:26] <Iridos> the simplest is probably to run apt-get --print-uris install <packagename>
1702 [14:30:37] <Iridos> but there are more wholesale options like apt-offline and apt-zip
1703 [14:30:40] <Iridos> dpkg, apt-zip
1704 [14:30:40] <dpkg> Update a non-networked computer using apt and removable media. Just aptitude install apt-zip and read the docs in /usr/share/doc/apt-zip, or ask me about <apt offline> <apt-walkabout>. replaced-url
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1706 [14:31:06] <Iridos> you can message the bot about the others ( e.g. /msg dpkg apt offline )
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1710 [14:31:38] <Eryn_1983_FL> it does not like sfx with -v
1711 [14:31:44] <Eryn_1983_FL> mofo
1712 [14:32:14] <cef> Eryn_1983_FL: well no.
1713 [14:32:24] <Eryn_1983_FL> well rar can do it..
1714 [14:32:33] <cef> Eryn_1983_FL: well 7z isn't rar
1715 [14:32:38] <Eryn_1983_FL> i can tell...
1716 [14:32:59] <Eryn_1983_FL> back in the dark ages when i was archiving off on to dvds
1717 [14:33:14] <Eryn_1983_FL> my library i used rar to make my volumes.
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1721 [14:34:05] <cef> there's plenty of other archivers out there
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1727 [14:37:07] <Eryn_1983_FL> yeah i know but i wanted something the parents and family could open..
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1766 [14:50:23] <ForceRecon> wireshark looks really great on debian
1767 [14:50:31] <ForceRecon> very awesome
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1797 [15:05:48] <piefacelake9000> Hello. I have not used debian since etch. I just installed stretch on my laptop. Is laptop-mode-tools a thing that still needs to be installed for managing power saving modes for the various bits of hardware?
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1800 [15:06:51] <piefacelake9000> For things like controlling cpu governors and SATA AHCI stuff.
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1802 [15:07:34] <shtrb> beware of hardisk setup
1803 [15:07:52] <piefacelake9000> what?
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1805 [15:08:16] <shtrb> the spinoff story from the past , if you remeber it
1806 [15:08:25] <shtrb> spindown/up
1807 [15:08:36] <piefacelake9000> Not really. I have not really used linux since etch.
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1809 [15:09:18] <shtrb> I think that story was around that time , there were some standard disks (non SSD ) that exsessive spinoff/on killed their warranty
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1813 [15:09:49] <piefacelake9000> I have an SSD as the primary drive. An HDD as a piece of storage mounted in /mnt. I rarely access it.
1814 [15:10:21] <shtrb> The spinoff/on issue is only for HDD , and the issue is the feature killed it not really the usage
1815 [15:10:21] <piefacelake9000> The question is: Is laptop-mode-tools still the correct way to manage this stuff or has something replaced it?
1816 [15:10:38] <piefacelake9000> ok ty.
1817 [15:11:00] <Tonkadoro> How can I get my stretch host to communicate with my android phone? I've read many web tutorials, but not detecting the android device.
1818 [15:11:42] <piefacelake9000> For example, does LMT conflict with "power manager" in cinnamon?
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1822 [15:12:25] <BluesKaj> Tonkadoro, look for your DE equivalent to KDEconnect
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1829 [15:15:42] <shtrb> piefacelake9000 , I relied on me DE's capabilities for most things (maybe it's wrong ) :)
1830 [15:16:54] <BluesKaj> KDE connect is also available on your android
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1835 [15:19:03] <jelly> I'm running kdeconnect inside xfce on stretch
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1842 [15:20:32] <Tonkadoro> is this kdeconnect necessary? i've been able in the past, on stretch, to just connect without complications
1843 [15:20:39] <at0m> yea, i don't think there is another equivqlent to kdeconnect
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1845 [15:21:17] <petn-randall> Tonkadoro: That is a feature (MTP) your Android phone needs to support.
1846 [15:21:34] <at0m> what communication are you looking for? kdeconnect does file sharing, media remote, mousepad/keyb, SMS,..
1847 [15:21:38] <shtrb> I used bluettoth and usb to transfer data for a while
1848 [15:22:01] <Tonkadoro> at0m, mtp file transfers.
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1851 [15:23:08] <shtrb> at0m , gvfs + bluetooth ?
1852 [15:23:23] <Tonkadoro> petn-randall, it's supported apparantly, i've made it work before. same host, same android device.
1853 [15:23:39] <shtrb> Tonkadoro , what exectly are you trying to achieve ?
1854 [15:23:50] <at0m> Tonkadoro: over usb, or network?
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1856 [15:24:13] <bezaban> airdroid (android app) may be an alternative if you have a 'dumb' DE and quick wireless
1857 [15:24:20] <Tonkadoro> shtrb, transfer files between my debian machine and my android phone.
1858 [15:24:23] <petn-randall> Tonkadoro: What changed then? Did you reinstall?
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1861 [15:24:48] <Tonkadoro> petn-randall, yes, reinstalled.
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1864 [15:25:38] <Tonkadoro> at0m, over usb cord.
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1867 [15:26:03] <shtrb> did you remember to enable MTP on the android
1868 [15:26:21] <shtrb> I falled in that issue more than few times (you need enable it on the phone itself )
1869 [15:26:28] <Tonkadoro> shtrb, fuck no!!!!!!! lol, let me try that.
1870 [15:26:40] <bezaban> oh.
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1872 [15:26:56] <shtrb> yes , they changed the defaults
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1875 [15:28:31] <shtrb> Tonkadoro , it will reset to NO every time you plug it in (default is to charge )
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1877 [15:29:39] <Tonkadoro> shtrb, I think you're on to something, trying to figure out enabling it on the fone.
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1886 [15:32:19] <BluesKaj> good to know airdroid is an option. I don't use my phone for much other than making and receiving calls . a few pics etc is about all
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1889 [15:32:59] <shtrb> Tonkadoro , replaced-url
1890 [15:33:06] <LV426> one less wire to worry about and been very happy with it across various machines
1891 [15:33:48] <shtrb> LV426 what do you mean ?
1892 [15:34:15] <LV426> shtrb: re airdroid
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1896 [15:34:53] <LV426> shtrb: it uses the wireless to transfer files/read sms etc via a web broweser
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1899 [15:35:25] <shtrb> Oh , I need to re check KDE Connect to see if they fixed their bluetooth interface at last
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1902 [15:35:58] <shtrb> *the bluetooth interface to authnticate and use it
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1905 [15:36:16] <Tonkadoro> shtrb, its an lg phone. trying to remember how to enable mtp
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1907 [15:37:15] <shtrb> did you try clicking on the notification that says connectd as XXX ?
1908 [15:37:40] <shtrb> bezaban , are you using KDE connect or something else ?
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1923 [15:42:07] <petn-randall> Tonkadoro: It's usually hidden in settings → storage → burger menu, at least up until marshmallow.
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1926 [15:42:25] <andrew2221> Hello everyone. Simple question, hopefully with a simple answer. cp (copy) command, when copying from a mounted folder (with cifs utils), to a local folder, if the files are present in both places, and they are identical, the copy still take place? Does the copy command has a built-in functionality (by default) in such situations to "copy only if different" - not talking about -u option.
1927 [15:42:29] <shtrb> burger menu ?!
1928 [15:42:44] <Tonkadoro> shtrb, that's what I thought.
1929 [15:42:51] <petn-randall> shtrb: Those three horizontal stripes that look like a burger.
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1931 [15:42:59] <Tonkadoro> lol
1932 [15:43:03] <petn-randall> :)
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1934 [15:43:16] <shtrb> lol , now I wish to get a good burger but there are none around
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1936 [15:43:26] <_jd> Hi All, can anyone tell me what red security label next to the package name mean? replaced-url
1937 [15:43:29] <Tonkadoro> i have no burger menu in settings> storage.
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1942 [15:44:34] <shtrb> andrew2221 , depending on the underline file system but it should be copied by default
1943 [15:44:55] <shtrb> There was once an FS that support remove duplicated that had that feature
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1947 [15:45:41] <andrew2221> shtrb, so no matter what, if no option was specified, the files are copied, without checking if they are the same?
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1953 [15:46:01] <andrew2221> *and overwritten
1954 [15:46:05] <shtrb> as far as I know , yes
1955 [15:46:20] <shtrb> the overwrite or not will be decided by the underlaying layer (usually yes)
1956 [15:46:31] <shtrb> underlaying layer == file system
1957 [15:46:49] <shtrb> and permissions / selinux / app aromor etc
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1959 [15:47:13] <andrew2221> shtrb, I see.. hmmm.. Interesting.. ok. Thank you very much for the info. :)
1960 [15:47:28] <shtrb> you are welcome , but I didn't really do anything
1961 [15:47:46] <shtrb> also maybe you should check some other options (like rsync or pv ) just in case
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1964 [15:48:35] <shtrb> and don't you afraid to touch cifs now ? with all the STDs around ?
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1967 [15:49:02] <shtrb> at my place any access to an SMB machine is now done on a special vm which is killed after the access
1968 [15:49:02] <andrew2221> shtrb, rsync is slower in my case, there is a performance issue with it, so I prefer not to use it, tho it would work the same.
1969 [15:49:04] <shtrb> just in case
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1971 [15:49:36] <andrew2221> shtrb, it's work related, so it doesn't affect me personally.. :)
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1973 [15:49:52] <shtrb> work usually affect us personally
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1975 [15:50:10] <andrew2221> I meant the worm itself.
1976 [15:50:23] <shtrb> If you are in the windows world , check guacamole
1977 [15:50:44] <shtrb> works perfectly on debian and has very easy interface for standard users
1978 [15:50:52] <andrew2221> Happy Debian user here.. :)) But yes, we have a few machines with Win..
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1980 [15:51:01] <shtrb> there are several worms already , wannacry is just one
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1982 [15:51:39] <andrew2221> Heard something about NIX systems being affected as well.. But for now, I am not worried more than I need.
1983 [15:52:04] <shtrb> the affected part is files being corrupted (ones that the windows machine had write access to it )
1984 [15:52:05] <shtrb> not the entire system
1985 [15:52:12] <teraflops> andrew2221: the exploit runs under wine
1986 [15:52:17] <shtrb> lol
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1990 [15:52:47] <andrew2221> teraflops, right, this is what I have heard.. Thanks for the info.
1991 [15:53:14] <shtrb> andrew2221 , also windows now can access NFS , just for the info
1992 [15:53:18] <shtrb> *NFS clients
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1995 [15:53:58] <teraflops> shtrb: now?
1996 [15:54:10] <shtrb> In latests version
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1998 [15:54:20] <teraflops> been able for years
1999 [15:54:34] <shtrb> I'm outdated (I meant since win7)
2000 [15:54:49] <teraflops> even before
2001 [15:54:55] <shtrb> out of the box ?!
2002 [15:55:02] <shtrb> shit I'm unedcuated
2003 [15:55:15] <teraflops> they used to have a unix compatibility package
2004 [15:55:18] <andrew2221> shtrb, I have to run a cron every minute to check if a file was changed, and in case of a change, save the diff to a database. The file is coming from a WinXP machine, and we/I cannot change this. mdbtools has a bug I guess, because it cannot extract directly from the mounted folder, so I need to copy it locally, hence the performance worries..
2005 [15:55:24] <teraflops> nfs included shtrb
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2008 [15:56:36] <shtrb> andrew2221 , I'm in the same boat as you can drop winxp so I have to find solutions
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2011 [15:57:34] <fred1807> Can I use Tinc just to revert 1 port? like with ssh -R 80:localhost:80 user@remote ?
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2013 [15:58:00] <andrew2221> shtrb, I feel you... Anyways, thank you for the info and for your time, I think I got an answer..
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2016 [15:58:13] <andrew2221> For now, everyone have a great time. :)
2017 [15:58:21] <andrew2221> Bye.
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2028 [16:01:26] <ForceRecon> Can anyone tell me anything about the Mono Framework
2029 [16:01:38] <ForceRecon> is it something that is utilized a lot
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2033 [16:02:36] <ForceRecon> I want to install NetworkMiner but I am unsure if I want to do it in a Guest OS or actually install it on my main OS
2034 [16:02:38] <babilen> ForceRecon: It was hip for a few weeks, ten years ago and I wouldn't personally use it
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2037 [16:03:30] <shtrb> ForceRecon , Didn't microsft release full implementation of .net a while ago ?
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2040 [16:04:36] <shtrb> don't know what wonder it could have ( replaced-url
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2042 [16:05:11] <shtrb> don't be surprised for some hidden clause in the license
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2046 [16:06:12] <ForceRecon> I think back in 2014 but when I research that I find that people are still using mono with .net for the ability to not have to specify mono at program start
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2064 [16:11:41] <shtrb> Am I the only one who tried to use dotGNU ?
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2071 [16:13:17] <BluesKaj> shtrb, what's dotGNU?
2072 [16:13:26] <shtrb> lol
2073 [16:13:28] <shtrb> shit I'm old
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2076 [16:13:56] <shtrb> It was a project to allow access to .NET under the gnu umbrell
2077 [16:13:59] <shtrb> umbrella
2078 [16:14:00] <BluesKaj> so am I, but I never tried
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2082 [16:14:56] <shtrb> good job , touching asp.net is like working with STD
2083 [16:14:56] <Tonkadoro> I got high I'm ok with not transfering photos from my phone to facebook for now.
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2085 [16:15:14] <shtrb> Tonkadoro ?!
2086 [16:15:23] <shtrb> didn't find the mtp enable ?
2087 [16:15:30] <shtrb> you can use bluetooth to transfer files
2088 [16:15:43] <Tonkadoro> yeah, fucking phone.
2089 [16:15:50] <shtrb> bluetooth ?
2090 [16:16:12] <shtrb> also , you can try using transfer over ip with kdeconnect or something
2091 [16:16:28] <Tonkadoro> like i said, I appreciate you helping me, but i'm kind of over it.
2092 [16:16:37] <shtrb> :-(
2093 [16:16:57] <BluesKaj> or transfer via usb cable
2094 [16:17:09] <shtrb> :D
2095 [16:17:25] <BluesKaj> well, if all else fails
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2097 [16:17:54] <Tonkadoro> ok, i'm remembering all this.
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2103 [16:20:58] <teraflops> sftp client should work ootb if you run openssh on the computer
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2135 [16:34:07] <G__81> Hi can someone give me the link to download Debian 9 RC2/RC3 Gnome Live CD ?
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2138 [16:35:29] <zykotick9> G__81: <sidenotes> 1) the Debian Live images don't work with UEFI 2) the Live images aren't ideal for installation 3) it's often better to install stable, then downgrade to testing YMMV. good luck.
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2147 [16:42:16] <BluesKaj> zykotick9, what about a netinstall ?
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2149 [16:42:40] <BluesKaj> in text mode
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2151 [16:44:11] <BluesKaj> oh, maybe next time
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2154 [16:45:27] <holycow> hi all
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2157 [16:46:35] <holycow> on this debian image, every users that creates a directory creates with the default 777 perms
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2159 [16:46:46] <holycow> what controls that? i'm not finding anythign in /etc/skel
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2161 [16:47:30] <greycat> It's your umask setting.
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2163 [16:47:36] <zykotick9> BluesKaj: i'm not understanding your question/statement? netinst DOES support UEFI, while the Live Images do not <- is that it?
2164 [16:47:37] <uxfi> test test hello
2165 [16:48:02] <greycat> If umask is 000 then all dirs are created 777, and most files 666.
2166 [16:48:13] <holycow> aha!
2167 [16:48:17] <holycow> thank you
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2173 [16:49:23] <BluesKaj> zykotick9, not sure, but the options with the net install seem to be greater in the partitioning phase than the gui installer
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2175 [16:50:12] <zykotick9> BluesKaj: personally, the text install netinst is the ONLY installer IMO... everything else is flawed ;)
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2177 [16:50:50] <greycat> It's certainly the one that gets the most testing.
2178 [16:51:08] <BluesKaj> zykotick9, yeah , I don't use any other method either ...reminds of the old debian days :-)
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2181 [16:52:04] <BluesKaj> it's familiar, easier to use
2182 [16:52:07] <somiaj> are you sure it is a graphical vs text installer and not normal vs expert mode? I usually use the text intsaller, but didn't notice anything missing when I did the grahical one.
2183 [16:52:31] <somiaj> but the offical text installer is my suggestion, expert mode if you need to do a lot of customization during the install.
2184 [16:53:09] <BluesKaj> somiaj, the gui crashed on my machine when i tried it so i reverted to the tried and true
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2186 [16:53:51] <somiaj> ahh I thought this was about less options during the partitioning part of the installer. I know this is a big point expert vs normal has differences.
2187 [16:54:19] <somiaj> BluesKaj: by gui you mean graphicall installer or live system?
2188 [16:54:45] <BluesKaj> well, the gui offer fewer paritioning options from what I've read
2189 [16:55:15] <BluesKaj> the gui installer crashed
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2201 [16:57:58] <Tonkadoro> ...mtp enable on an LG L16 with 4.4.2
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2203 [16:58:30] <Tonkadoro> Siri, turn on mtp access.
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2211 [17:04:13] <somiaj> Tonkadoro: this is #debian, not andriod support. If your android isn't giving an option for mtp mode when you plug it into your machine via usb, you may have to start searching around the options on the phone.
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2213 [17:05:01] <Tonkadoro> somiaj, Thanks for the advice, bro.
2214 [17:06:39] <Tonkadoro> hey should i reboot the phone maybe or something?
2215 [17:06:47] <Tonkadoro> rebooting.
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2219 [17:07:45] <Tonkadoro> HA! That did it!
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2223 [17:08:52] <Tonkadoro> Thank you BluesKaj, shtrb for your help.
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2252 [17:21:06] <Tonkadoro> Now I guess I need to mount the mtp device from my debian host?
2253 [17:21:08] <nezZario> Hey guys, I messed up. I have a ~100GB sd disk .. to force myself to conserve the relatively small disk, I started with a small 50gb logical volume under it, with a 50gb ext4 partition -- I just went to add +20GB to it and I mistyped and I extended it to the full 103gb ... I haven't extended the underlying partition .. is it safe to "shrink" it back down ?
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2255 [17:22:07] <greycat> What exactly did you extend? The partition only? Or the partition plus the file system?
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2257 [17:22:26] <nezZario> greycat: I extended the logical volume into unused free space -- not the underlying ext4 filesystem
2258 [17:22:44] <nezZario> I intentionally left free space on the pv
2259 [17:23:01] <nezZario> I'm assuming I'll be safe but I'm not wildly familiar with lvm to be honest
2260 [17:23:32] <nezZario> This is exactly all that happened -> "Size of logical volume myvol/root changed from 70.00 GiB (17920 extents) to 102.38 GiB (26209 extents)."
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2262 [17:23:52] <greycat> I'm still confused by your wording. You split the disk into two partitions, and you made one a raw ext4 and the other one LVM?
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2269 [17:25:00] <greycat> Or is the entire disk one LVM partition?
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2272 [17:25:29] <nezZario> No, I have 1 partition, myvol/root, which is a big fat / -- it was using 70GB (sorry I said something else earlier). I had ~32GB free space on the pv that was completely unused. I meant to add +10GB or so to it, .. accidentally extended it by 32GB to the entire disk
2273 [17:25:30] <nezZario> Correct
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2277 [17:25:57] <nezZario> (I was about to expand it by a few gb and create a separate partition which is why I want to back it up so badly)
2278 [17:26:14] <greycat> So you increased the size of an LV but you didn't increase the size of the ext4 that's *on top* of the LV. Then it should be safe to shrink the LV back down.
2279 [17:26:31] <greycat> But I'm not sure how you tell it to do that.
2280 [17:26:38] <nezZario> expand the existing partition by a *few* gb and create another logical partition with the remaining 25gb or so
2281 [17:26:52] <nezZario> well you can say --size -15GB
2282 [17:26:54] <greycat> You cannot expand the partition. The partition is the entire disk.
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2284 [17:27:09] <greycat> ext4 is on top of LV is on top of partition is on top of disk
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2286 [17:27:30] <nezZario> oh right -- sorry for the terminology fail -- LV* not partition
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2289 [17:27:52] <nezZario> k like i said i thought i'd be fine ...
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2292 [17:28:07] <nezZario> i have fairly recent backups if worse comes to worse I suppose
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2294 [17:28:28] <greycat> I've never shrunk an LV before. The trick would seem to be how it knows which PV chunks to release.
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2296 [17:28:59] <jelly> nezZario: dumpe2fs -h /dev/mapper/your-lv | grep '^Block ' will tell you how large the filesystem thinks it is.
2297 [17:29:03] <greycat> There's lvreduce(8) but as I said, I've never used it.
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2299 [17:29:22] <jelly> lvresize/lvreduce works.
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2301 [17:29:25] <nezZario> That was sort of my thoughts exactly ... I'm going to assume it'll do the right thing because I've only extended it little bits at a time with plenty of free space at the end of the disk
2302 [17:29:36] <jelly> don't assume, verify
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2307 [17:30:41] <jelly> if you make the LV not smaller than (block size * block count) bytes, things are supposed to be just fine.
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2309 [17:30:50] <jelly> lvresize _will_ complain
2310 [17:30:58] <jelly> that's normal
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2312 [17:31:15] <Bobbix> Hi, i've downloaded debian 8.8.0 iso and the hash is not correct
2313 [17:31:16] <nezZario> so lvm always works in chunks from beginning to end? ...
2314 [17:31:26] <Bobbix> tho times
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2316 [17:32:05] <nezZario> I mean, I'm not sure if it's even possible, but say I had 10gb, had 5 allocated, 5 free, then allocated 4gb offset by 1gb (if it's possible to specify an offset of free space?)
2317 [17:32:14] <jelly> nezZario: it can be asked to do more complex stuff, but it does simple concatenation by default
2318 [17:32:21] <nezZario> great
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2320 [17:32:29] <nezZario> that's enough confidence for me
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2323 [17:32:48] <jelly> you're not supposed to care which PV blocks map to which LV blocks, that's LVM's job
2324 [17:33:00] <BluesKaj> Bobbix, if it doesn't match then delete it, download another
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2327 [17:33:15] <greycat> (except in this case he cares because he's shrinking, and he wants to shrink by removing only unused extents, not used extents)
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2330 [17:33:59] <jelly> you can only reduce size from the end of the lv, so "extents" don't matter
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2332 [17:34:25] <greycat> Oh, does it keep an ordered list of extents, so it ... yeah, I guess it would have to, wouldn't it.
2333 [17:34:31] <jelly> what matters is not cutting off the end of the filesystem data and/or metadata
2334 [17:34:40] <greycat> Right. We're saying the same thing.
2335 [17:34:51] <jelly> (it does, you can see it in nifty vgcfgbackups)
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2337 [17:35:20] <jelly> in fact using vgcfgbackups is one way to undo a mess like this
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2341 [17:36:31] <jelly> ls -la /etc/lvm/archive
2342 [17:36:36] <jelly> stuff!
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2344 [17:37:12] <greycat> It's ... full of numbers.
2345 [17:37:26] <Tonkadoro> When I plug in my android cell fone, I get a bubble messge on X that an mtp device has been attatched, and a Nautilus window pops open to home folder. Do I need to mount it to gain file access or something?
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2350 [17:38:44] <nezZario> btw on the subject of lvm, filesystems, and related -- anyone use btrfs or zfs on linux in production here? -- just wondering
2351 [17:38:45] <jelly> each lv has one or more segments, which are composed of one or more stripes, which are slices of a pv
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2353 [17:39:11] <nezZario> I used btrfs on a personal machine a while back and never had any problem out of it ...
2354 [17:39:33] <MacGyver> (Re)starting hostapd on an interface configured through /etc/network/interfaces resets its routing rules set through post-up rules; is there any way around this?
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2359 [17:40:09] <jelly> seen people complain of their btrfs getting unexpectedly "full" a bit too often in here
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2369 [17:43:33] <lgeurts> #debian join
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2371 [17:43:53] <jelly> lgeurts: you're here!
2372 [17:44:03] <lgeurts> soz
2373 [17:44:24] <kalipso> hey i have a problem with harddrives. i have a debain jessie pc with 2x 2TB hdd and 1x 1TB HDD. all of them formated to ext4. the problem is that one of the 2tb hdds never gets recognized. i plugged it into an archlinux pc and there both 2tb hdds get recognized but the 1tb not. i realy need booth 2tb hdds cause i want to setup a raid 0. any suggestions how to detect the 2tb hdd?
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2375 [17:44:56] <greycat> How do you know it's "not recognized"? What command are you using and what is its output?
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2377 [17:45:09] <kalipso> i check /dev/ and use lsblk
2378 [17:45:20] <kalipso> also dmesg normaly shows when a hdd is connected
2379 [17:45:25] <kalipso> which doesnt happen
2380 [17:45:44] <greycat> Then it sounds like a hardware level issue (missing connection and/or power cable).
2381 [17:46:19] <kalipso> it is a nas case with modular hdd slots. i changed the slot and it didnt changed. connections are 100% fine
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2386 [17:48:47] <kalipso> wait the screws on the not working one are not as tight as the others.. i changed that and test again
2387 [17:49:26] <MacGyver> Ah, nvm, I was managing hostapd from outside the interfaces-file, adding it in using a hostapd stanza seems to have fixed that.
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2393 [17:51:33] <kalipso> greycat: the f*** u where right. i thought i checked every possible hardware failure but i diddnt. thightening the screws moved to hdd like 1 nano meter towards the connector and now it gets recognized.
2394 [17:51:44] <kalipso> s/to/the/
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2399 [17:53:01] <jelly> !win kalipso
2400 [17:53:01] <dpkg> Congratulations, kalipso! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120!
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2408 [17:53:44] <kalipso> \o/
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2485 [18:24:31] <peteski> Hey all, I'm a newbie with Debian and wondered what the easiest way to backup my icons, themes, settings/programs is?
2486 [18:24:45] <peteski> I downloaded some custom bits for gnome which I'd like to get back if I reinstall etc.
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2489 [18:25:12] <peteski> I'd read that just backing up home was good, but by the looks of it there's *stuff* in /usr/share/backgrounds and I guess other places I dont know where to look
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2491 [18:26:07] <greycat> /home and /etc are the most important, by far.
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2495 [18:27:13] <peteski> Hey greycat, thanks for that.
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2498 [18:27:52] <peteski> So if I backup those folders, can I roll them back over the top of any fresh install to get back to where I'm at now? (which is mainly just with a few apps installed and some paper/material theme + some user settings for said apps)
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2501 [18:28:24] <greycat> It should be safe to blindly restore the whole of /home but *not* /etc or /usr or /var. Those should be merged in by hand, carefully.
2502 [18:28:38] <nezZario> peteski: it may be also beneficial to keep a copy of your apt log file, which is in /var/log/apt -- these logs roll-over by default so I personally keep it turned off so I have a complete log. There are other ways to get the data but I find it just easier
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2504 [18:29:05] <peteski> Thanks for the suggestions guys.
2505 [18:29:08] <greycat> a flat text file containing the output of "dpkg --get-selectiosn" is a good thing also
2506 [18:29:14] <greycat> err --get-selections
2507 [18:29:22] <peteski> guys==dudes==none descript slang thing.
2508 [18:29:29] <nezZario> I use xfce and I was able to copy ~/.config/ onto a new PC and just keep rolling
2509 [18:29:40] <nezZario> after installing packages, of course
2510 [18:29:47] <peteski> It's a shame there's not a morons tool, like backup --userstuff
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2513 [18:30:11] <peteski> that knows when things have been fiddled with outside /home and keeps em for you
2514 [18:30:25] <nezZario> peteski: there are just too many situations to know _what_ to backup, but there basically is -- it's called tar -cf myStuff.tar directory-to-backup/ :)
2515 [18:30:44] <peteski> :)
2516 [18:30:53] <peteski> Excuse my ignorance
2517 [18:30:59] <nezZario> speaking of simple questions .. this is really bugging me
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2521 [18:32:13] <nezZario> I don't do enough stuff outside of a shell and my browser to even know -- but some apps when I open them they'll say "This program requires root permissions blah blah..." ... where does that even come from? my window manager? ....
2522 [18:32:35] <nezZario> I don't have a root password so it's problematic to type a root password..
2523 [18:33:00] <jhutchins_wk> nezZario: Yes, that is your window manager interpreting a request to run a program that requires root permissions.
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2525 [18:33:21] <jhutchins_wk> nezZario: Depending on what you're using, it may has for the user password (sudo) or root password (su).
2526 [18:33:22] <nezZario> It would be nice to be able to click stuff from the desktop or whatnot and escalate privs as needed without needing to find the app and run gksudo
2527 [18:33:23] <teraflops> nezZario: they ask for sudo password
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2530 [18:33:59] <greycat> Is this the part where nezZario reveals he's actually on Ubuntu or some other non-Debian system?
2531 [18:34:15] <nezZario> I use debian 8 and xfce homie
2532 [18:34:19] <alekz> lol
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2534 [18:34:59] <BluesKaj> homie ? heh
2535 [18:35:45] <greycat> I parsed that as "xfce home" at first glance, and it sounded like xfce had different modes that mimic Microsoft Windows OSes ("home", "professional", etc.)
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2537 [18:36:15] <nezZario> whoah -- speaking of weird stuff. ok ... no seriously I've used this pc for like a year now and I've never stopped to really set it up aside from copying my old xfce conf over
2538 [18:36:32] <BluesKaj> I don't p[arse , i still read directly :-)
2539 [18:36:34] <nezZario> default wallpaper on xfce, theme, colors, whatever ...
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2542 [18:37:21] <teraflops> hehe xfce home edition
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2552 [18:38:36] <BluesKaj> i have raspbian-pixel on a rpi3 ,,,now rhat's vanilla
2553 [18:38:48] <BluesKaj> that's
2554 [18:39:00] <nezZario> well you know that's funn you say that ...
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2557 [18:39:17] <nezZario> when I open Synaptic it says action: com.ubuntu.pkexec.synaptic
2558 [18:39:46] <nezZario> anyway -- replaced-url
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2561 [18:42:00] <centrx> What's broken?
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2584 [18:51:40] <dorothy> Hi, what signing key is used for Debain 8 CD releases?
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2586 [18:51:43] <jamn> hi
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2593 [18:54:45] <dorothy> I'm trying to verify the iso image, but it seems it was not signed by any of the keys posted at replaced-url
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2599 [18:56:31] <nezZario> centrx: when I try to open apps that need root access, it prompts me as such .. and I don't have a password set on root
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2601 [18:56:57] <centrx> nezZario: oh you should definitely have a password set on root for security
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2606 [18:57:47] <centrx> nezZario: but here are some leads, replaced-url
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2608 [18:59:17] <nezZario> uh sorry -- meant "unmatchable hash" set on root
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2610 [18:59:24] <nezZario> but k at least that's a start
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2617 [19:00:55] <teraflops> if you do not create root account during debian installation, it defaults to sudo, right? then how is that situation taking place? is that synatptic thingy behaving incorreclty?
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2622 [19:01:46] <teraflops> excuse my ignorance but i do not use such things
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2624 [19:03:06] <petn-randall> dorothy: With what command are you verifying it?
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2637 [19:07:32] <dorothy> petn-randall, with the OpenPGP signature verification option in Nautilus
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2641 [19:09:24] <jhutchins_wk> dorothy: Is it possible that the file is incomplete or corrupt?
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2643 [19:09:51] <jhutchins_wk> dorothy: Have you checked it's md5sum?
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2645 [19:11:02] <dorothy> jhutchins_wk yes, everything is ok, but the signature is untrusted
2646 [19:11:44] <greycat> Uh... why is this a surprise? You haven't established a chain of trust from you to the developer who signed the key, right?
2647 [19:11:59] <greycat> So it's telling you that the signature is valid but the key is untrusted. Right?
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2649 [19:13:14] <SuperTramp83> dorothy: you should see ''Good signature....." and ignore the last message ('this key is untrusted' or something like that)
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2655 [19:18:44] <dorothy> SuperTramp83, i am just asking what key was used to sign it, because the one provided on the site weren't
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2657 [19:19:17] <greycat> pastebin the full output of whatever command you ran, *INCLUDING* the command that you ran.
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2663 [19:21:20] <dorothy> whether I trust the signing key or not is my concern, I'm just asking which one was used to sign it because I haven't found that
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2675 [19:24:44] <jelly> dorothy: replaced-url
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2677 [19:25:22] <jelly> dorothy: do you still have the URL for the iso you downloaded which doesn't match?
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2679 [19:25:44] <greycat> Near as I can tell, it *did* match but she stubbornly refuses to READ the god damned output, or to show it to us.
2680 [19:25:58] <jelly> that's a possibility
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2689 [19:27:59] <jelly> it's however a bit of an extraordinary statement and I agree providing extraordinary proof would be nice
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2691 [19:28:32] <jelly> like a screenshot in case of a GUI tool
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2695 [19:30:16] <dorothy> i used the OpenPGP signature verification option in Nautilus, output: "SHA512SUMS: Untrusted Valid Signature"
2696 [19:30:56] <dorothy> although the 3 keys listed at replaced-url
2697 [19:31:00] <greycat> There you go. The signature is good. But untrusted.
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2699 [19:31:22] <dorothy> downloaded the files from multiple mirrors
2700 [19:31:34] <dorothy> they match
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2702 [19:31:42] <greycat> So what is the issue?
2703 [19:32:29] <dorothy> greycat the issue is that the SHA512SUMS is not signed by the 3 keys listed on the link above
2704 [19:32:56] <dorothy> I ask what signature was used to sign it
2705 [19:33:00] <greycat> Why do you think this?
2706 [19:33:56] <dorothy> because of the output contains "untrusted" despite the fact that i trust those 3 keys
2707 [19:34:21] <jelly> dorothy: how precisely did you set those trust levels for those keys
2708 [19:34:23] <greycat> Then stop using a stupid GUI program and use a command-line COMMAND.
2709 [19:34:36] <teraflops> dorothy: how did you trust those keys?
2710 [19:34:36] <jelly> perhaps it didn't do the job
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2713 [19:34:45] <teraflops> dorothy: replaced-url
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2715 [19:36:09] <SuperTramp83> dorothy, pardon but I ignore your level of expertise, and gpg can indeed be rather complicated. Can you try and follow these instructions -> replaced-url
2716 [19:36:38] <SuperTramp83> ^that guide is very clear.
2717 [19:36:41] <greycat> Or give us the URL of the SHA512SUMS file you got, so we can do it for you.
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2719 [19:37:24] <jelly> maybe you can, I'm certainly not going to bother
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2725 [19:40:48] <endpoint_david> hi, we just released an updated version of DBD::Pg, is there anything special we need to do to get libdbd-pg-perl updated with this, and how long will it take to get in upstream packages?
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2728 [19:41:32] <dorothy> greycat replaced-url
2729 [19:41:37] <jelly> endpoint_david: if you just released it, then you're the upstream
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2732 [19:42:06] <greycat> wooledg:~$ gpg --verify SHA512SUMS.sign
2733 [19:42:09] <greycat> gpg: using RSA key DA87E80D6294BE9B
2734 [19:42:17] <greycat> ^^ That is the key that was used.
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2736 [19:42:32] <tw> additionally Primary key fingerprint: DF9B 9C49 EAA9 2984 3258 9D76 DA87 E80D 6294 BE9B
2737 [19:42:33] <greycat> Command line is simpler than GUI.
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2741 [19:43:08] <endpoint_david> jelly: fair point, how long until it trickles down to (say) trusty?
2742 [19:43:27] <greycat> You'd have to ask #ubuntu about that.
2743 [19:43:57] <jelly> endpoint_david: that question is probably better asked in #ubuntu-server or #ubuntu; and if they're picking it up from Debian, then likely "not before stretch is released"
2744 [19:43:58] <greycat> You missed the cut-off for getting a new version into stretch (Debian 9) by a few months. It'll probably go into buster (Debian 10 or whatever) in a couple years.
2745 [19:44:13] <endpoint_david> duhr, ok, thanks
2746 [19:44:21] <endpoint_david> so it's definitely a distribution-based release cycle
2747 [19:44:30] <endpoint_david> I was unclear of that
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2751 [19:44:48] <endpoint_david> that at least answers my immediate quesiton; thanks
2752 [19:45:19] <dmtd> Hi all, how do I make a module in rsync.conf able to be read and written to? I tried read only = false and write only = false in hopes that it allows read and write...but I keep getting an error saying the module is read only. Help!
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2754 [19:45:30] <jelly> endpoint_david: however, Canonical does not get all of the package versions from Debian; you may have better luck there if yo... eh
2755 [19:45:52] <jelly> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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2762 [19:49:21] <teooo> hello! i have a question about wine, not sure i'm in the correct place: i need to install vc++ redistributable 2015 x86
2763 [19:49:32] <teooo> replaced-url
2764 [19:49:40] <teooo> here they install x64 and seems "easy"
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2766 [19:50:02] <teooo> when i do wine32 vc_redistx86.exe seems locked
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2769 [19:50:35] <petn-randall> teooo: Why do you want to install those libraries on a Linux machine?
2770 [19:50:57] <somiaj> teooo: what version of wine are you running?
2771 [19:51:00] <somiaj> ,v wine
2772 [19:51:01] <judd> Package: wine on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.4.1-4; jessie: 1.6.2-20; jessie-backports: 1.8.7-2~bpo8+1; stretch: 1.8.7-2; sid: 1.8.7-2; experimental: 2.0.1-1
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2775 [19:51:27] <somiaj> teooo: on jessie it is version 1.6, even in jessie backports there is 1.8, but even then that report says support is garbage for 1.9.0
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2777 [19:51:47] <somiaj> teooo: could be you need wine-developement or a newer version of wine that you compile yourself for thta
2778 [19:51:55] <teooo> somiaj: i have 1.6.2
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2780 [19:52:49] <somiaj> most likely that is the problem, since 1.9.0 says garbage, someting leading up to the 2.x release is most likely needed
2781 [19:52:52] <somiaj> ,v wine-development
2782 [19:52:53] <jelly> petn-randall: usually it's "to make $software work in wine"
2783 [19:52:53] <judd> Package: wine-development on amd64 -- jessie: 1.7.29-4; jessie-backports: 2.0-3~bpo8+1; sid: 2.0-3; stretch: 2.0-3; experimental: 2.8-1
2784 [19:53:08] <somiaj> teooo: you can get wine 2.0 from wine-development in jessie-backports
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2786 [19:53:30] <teooo> ok, i try, thanks!
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2791 [19:56:10] <teooo> mmm no luck, i have added jessie-backports this way: deb replaced-url
2792 [19:56:14] <teooo> apt-get update
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2794 [19:56:24] <teooo> then apt-get install wine-developement
2795 [19:56:28] <teooo> but still package not found
2796 [19:56:36] <random_numbers> So, how's stretch coming along?
2797 [19:56:46] <toruvinn> teooo, that's now how you install things from backports. gimme a sec.
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2799 [19:56:53] <greycat> !jessie-backports
2800 [19:56:53] <dpkg> Some packages intended for Stretch (Debian 9) but recompiled for use with "Jessie" (8.x) can be found in the "jessie-backports" repository. See replaced-url
2801 [19:56:55] <petn-randall> teooo: wine-development, NOT wine-develop<e>ment
2802 [19:57:02] <teooo> oh sorry
2803 [19:57:05] <toruvinn> teooo, replaced-url
2804 [19:57:10] <toruvinn> pay attention to the -t parameter.
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2809 [19:58:00] <teooo> toruvinn: now that i fixed the typo it is installing, anyway i will read your link, thanks!
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2812 [19:59:15] <petn-randall> teooo: It will not install the backports version though, unless you use the -t parameter.
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2814 [19:59:59] <teooo> i saw, from his link; no problem i will see wich version i get and add -t later
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2817 [20:01:02] <dorothy> thanks greycat, SuperTramp83, jelly, thanks for the help, i had added the keys as trusted, pgp still writes 'unknown/untrusted' until I sign them with my signatures
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2824 [20:03:44] <dorothy> it is kind of a UX problem imo (both with the GUI and the console version)
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2844 [20:09:27] <teooo> good news vc++ setup now runs
2845 [20:09:43] <teooo> bad news comparing install times on windows vs wine it does nothing
2846 [20:09:55] <teooo> in fact program still doesnt work
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2863 [20:15:15] <mahaaaham> (hey)
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2873 [20:18:41] <alesan> is there a way to apply, install a debian package in a specific directory that contains a full filesystem?
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2875 [20:19:10] <alesan> and that filesystem is a different architecture compared to, say, the one running the host
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2889 [20:24:26] <rapha> Hi
2890 [20:24:27] <ksk> alesan: lxc, lxd, systemd. chroot.
2891 [20:24:54] <rapha> Based on Debians 1-8, is it more likely than not that Stretch will be released before Dec 31?
2892 [20:24:55] <ksk> oh, different ARCH? you gonna need full virtualisation (!= container ) for that.
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2894 [20:25:12] <ksk> rapha: when its ready ;)
2895 [20:25:24] <alesan> ksk, but could not a package be just "unzipped" in the directory?
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2897 [20:25:50] <rapha> ksk: I know. I could have given myself that answer.
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2900 [20:26:11] * rapha is reading replaced-url
2901 [20:26:47] <rapha> But other people have been around much longer than I have and neural networks tend to develop with time.
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2907 [20:28:44] <alesan> ksk, ultimately a .deb is an archive that I believe can be decompressed on a directory... and then there might be some actions taken by some scripts I guess?
2908 [20:29:02] <alesan> I need to update libsane nothing major
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2912 [20:30:37] <forcerecon> am I here
2913 [20:30:37] <phogg> alesan: you can extract a package's contents, but that's not the same thing as installing it.
2914 [20:30:41] <forcerecon> looks like it
2915 [20:30:53] <ksk> alesan: "dpkg -x $foo.deb ." extracts the package file to local dir
2916 [20:31:06] <ksk> alesan: but you will not be able to eg run a ARM binary on AMD64
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2921 [20:31:55] <alesan> ksk, obviously I do not intend to run it on amd64
2922 [20:32:04] <ksk> and yes, extracting is not like installing. just putting the contents an install would put where they belong (realtive to the path you supply, "." in the case of my example)
2923 [20:32:21] <alesan> but that whole rootfs directory will be packaged and flashed on the NAND of the ARM device
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2927 [20:33:09] <ksk> you want to install debian for a differnt arch? use debootstrap
2928 [20:33:16] <ksk> !tell alesan about debootstrap
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2932 [20:33:41] <alesan> that would be cool, and in fact that is how it was done at the begining
2933 [20:33:54] <alesan> now however, I just need to quickly update one package and ship it :)
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2937 [20:34:29] <greycat> extracting the files from a .deb is *not* equivalent to updating the package on a file system image
2938 [20:34:57] <greycat> it doesn't update the metadata in dpkg's files, and it doesn't run the postinst (etc.) scripts
2939 [20:35:04] <alesan> greycat, indeed
2940 [20:35:35] <greycat> and probably other stuff like preserving config files under /etc
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2942 [20:35:37] <alesan> is there a way to do so, without having to rebuild ALL the image with debootstrap?
2943 [20:36:02] <greycat> mount the file system on an arm-whatever box, chroot into it, run dpkg -i foobar.deb
2944 [20:36:11] <alesan> config files can be taken care, that is not a big deal, by first expandin into an empty dir, check what files would be overwritten, etc
2945 [20:36:36] <alesan> greycat, oh interesting
2946 [20:36:42] <alesan> I could mount it with sshfs
2947 [20:36:47] <alesan> chroot into it...
2948 [20:37:08] <ksk> you cannot chroot into it, if eg /bin/bash is ARM and your running linux is AMD64 ;)
2949 [20:37:23] <ksk> does not matter if its local or via sshfs
2950 [20:37:23] <greycat> That's why I said "on an arm-whatever"
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2953 [20:37:39] <ksk> you did :)
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2956 [20:38:13] <alesan> ksk, well the ARM device cannot really mount the server's hard drive directly, it does not have a SATA interface
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2958 [20:38:23] <alesan> that is why I was proposing to use sshfs
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2960 [20:38:30] <alesan> it should be easier to setup than NFS
2961 [20:38:36] <count> heya :)
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2963 [20:38:40] <greycat> if you can ssh into the arm box, and then mount the FS image onto it using NFS or sshfs or whatever, then you may have a prayer
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2965 [20:38:49] <alesan> so
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2967 [20:39:03] <count> what's the best way to request someone to have a look at the upstream upgrade for replaced-url
2968 [20:39:07] <alesan> server and box are not on the same network... but I could setup a VPN
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2970 [20:39:17] <alesan> mount with sshfs if possible
2971 [20:39:21] <greycat> count: file a bug (wishlist if you want a new upstream to be packaged)
2972 [20:39:21] <alesan> chroot into it
2973 [20:39:21] <ksk> count: the package maintainer I would think.
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2975 [20:39:56] <greycat> alesan: sounds like your development setup isn't conducive to actually getting work done
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2980 [20:42:11] <alesan> greycat, well at the same time the debian packaging system could theoretically be architecture independent and allow what I am trying to do without requiring a target CPU and assume / as installation directory
2981 [20:42:22] <alesan> so nobody is without fault
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2984 [20:43:55] <alesan> well
2985 [20:44:17] <alesan> I could just get the rootfs so it's local, use my lapitop
2986 [20:44:21] <jhutchins_wk> alesan: I'm sure there's a standard method for doing this kind of thing, after all the first ARM image has to be built on a different architecture.
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2988 [20:44:59] <alesan> jhutchins_wk, probably the debootstrap, but it is my understanding it always re-creates a full image, and I cannot do that as the FS has been tweaked and configured already etc etc
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2990 [20:45:25] <alesan> jhutchins_wk, but yes, it seems the "cross package management" is imperfect
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2993 [20:46:14] <alesan> and I do not want to be perceived ads whining or complaining, I am just observing this, it's always the best system around
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2996 [20:47:16] <count> ksk: hmmyeaaah .. "Debian Med Packaging" is a bit hazy ;) .. not sure about Kevin Murray
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2998 [20:47:30] <count> ksk: I tend to try to ping people on IRC ;)
2999 [20:48:07] <ksk> count: please do follow grey-cat his advice, and fill a whislist bug
3000 [20:48:33] <count> ksk: ah, missed that. will do. thanks greycat! :)
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3003 [20:49:37] <ksk> alesan: maybe take a look into pbuilder, but might be some additional hassle to go "fullstack pbuilder"
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3014 [20:54:12] <jhutchins_wk> alesan: What's the reason you can't just run apt* on the Pi?
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3017 [20:54:34] <_abc_> Hello. Can someone confirm that racoon is only available in debian after etch (i.e. not in etch?)
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3022 [20:55:35] <Primer> Anyone here involved with the official Debian AWS AMIs? I'm trying to run an instance type that uses SR-IOV networking - Enhanced Networking (ENI) but the machine fails the cloud-init stage due to not having connected to the network at boot.
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3027 [20:57:03] <alesan> jhutchins_wk, it is not a Raspberry Pi. It's a device with an Arm Cortex A9 but currecntly it uses ARMEL flavor. It also doe dnot have removable storage, it's a NAND soldered to the board
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3031 [20:59:17] <jhutchins_wk> alesan: Question remains: Why not just run apt* on the device?
3032 [20:59:28] <koris> does anyone here have an idea why it might be that my BIOS doesn't take input from my USB keyboard even when it is directly connected to the computer? it used to work fine with this keyboard, but now I can't enter the BIOS config or the boot selection. however, once I get to GRUB, my keyboard does work
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3034 [20:59:57] <count> sendmail: RCPT TO:<submit@bugs.debian.org> (550 Requested action not taken: mailbox unavailable)
3035 [21:00:01] <count> wtf?
3036 [21:00:04] <saitoh183> hi all, im having a few issues with getting python script to work. it only seems to work when i do "python script.py". When i do just script.py , i get permission denied. on root or a user
3037 [21:00:21] <jhutchins_wk> koris: There may be a "legacy mode" setting for USB in the BIOS if you can get to it with a different keyboard.
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3039 [21:02:59] <koris> hm, thanks, I'll see if I can try that
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3044 [21:03:44] <jhutchins_wk> koris: You could also experiment with different ports.
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3046 [21:04:55] <_abc_> Hello again. Can someone point me at where racoon*.dpkg is hiding at archive.debian.org? Need to dig out an older package and analyze it?
3047 [21:05:09] <greycat> Packages live in pool.
3048 [21:05:37] <_abc_> replaced-url
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3050 [21:06:09] <greycat> Is it actually in main?
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3052 [21:06:38] <_abc_> it should be in net per contents.
3053 [21:06:51] <_abc_> I also tried the others.
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3058 [21:08:30] <greycat> Is it DFSG-free? Is it maybe in contrib or non-free? Or non-us, if it's from that far back?
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3063 [21:09:47] <_abc_> Filename: pool/main/i/ipsec-tools/racoon_0.6.6-3.1etch3_i386.deb DUH
3064 [21:09:50] <_abc_> i...
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3066 [21:10:12] <greycat> Weird.
3067 [21:10:26] <_abc_> it *is* there
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3069 [21:10:30] <greycat> I see why they stopped doing that.
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3074 [21:10:56] <greycat> (or is "ipsec-tools" the name of the source package that "racoon" is in?)
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3077 [21:11:42] <_abc_> it's the 'group' of packages
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3079 [21:12:37] <zzX2eek> hey, so i have a debain box authenticating via PAM + SSS + NSS to an LDAP server. I followed a guide, and understand PAM and NSS part. Going over the configuration again, im confused why SSS was needed when it looks like i can configure NSS to connect to LDAP.
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3155 [21:47:00] <mallozup> ciao all
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3164 [21:52:04] <mallozup> hi, i was looking at some tutorial from debian.wik. i was thinking, is there any project to transform the wikipage on a git repo?
3165 [21:52:26] <mallozup> i found some issues, like broken-links on the wiki
3166 [21:52:54] <mallozup> and for the howtopackage, there was not an upd2date wiki, imho. what do you think=
3167 [21:53:33] <greycat> I think I'd better not respond lest I become extremely angry.
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3170 [21:54:15] <mallozup> greycat, sorry, what is your point?
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3172 [21:54:39] <mallozup> is this a valid response? menacing to becoming angry?
3173 [21:55:02] <mallozup> ok, sorry i had a good intention, and i got menaced
3174 [21:55:05] <greycat> *plonk*
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3206 [22:10:39] <toad_> upgrading openjdk-7-doc hangs forever ... known bug? I'm trying to remove it but it says reinstall it first
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3208 [22:11:23] <toad_> on stable (!)
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3214 [22:12:07] <toad_> could this be a problem with my system? there's nothing obvious in dmesg
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3217 [22:12:37] <jhutchins_wk> toad_: What that indicates is that the install did not get far enough for the pre-delete scripts to run.
3218 [22:12:49] <jhutchins_wk> toad_: No, not a known bug.
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3220 [22:13:16] <toad_> it hangs in unpacking, so i guess that fits...
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3227 [22:15:06] <toad_> hmmm, it seems to be making progress in that it's moving on from one file to the next in /proc ... maybe I was too impatient and then it failed when the ssh connection went down...
3228 [22:15:11] <jhutchins_wk> toad_: There's a -reinstall option.
3229 [22:15:33] <toad_> suggests i may be having major disk i/o issues, but there is other stuff running that might explain that
3230 [22:15:40] <jhutchins_wk> toad_: If your connection isn't stable run things like that in screen (or tmux or nohup).
3231 [22:15:44] <toad_> yeah, i am doing apt-get --reinstall ...
3232 [22:16:03] <toad_> yeah i was using autossh but that appears not to be sufficient, should use screen instead
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3234 [22:16:31] <toad_> it finished. hmmm, how strange. oh well, thanks for your help :)
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3236 [22:16:42] <toad_> 99% of support cases :|
3237 [22:17:15] <jhutchins_wk> I was called out on a $300 emergency call once for a monitor that wasn't plugged in.
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3239 [22:17:28] <toad_> :)
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3241 [22:17:55] <toad_> my sources tell me that a major corporation employs roaming people to replug USB connections :)
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3243 [22:18:12] <ryouma> glue
3244 [22:18:24] <toad_> probably a better solution :)
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3246 [22:18:55] <toad_> I take it there is no real progress towards officially packaging mythtv?
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3251 [22:19:23] <jhutchins_wk> toad_: I gather it's morphed into a different project.
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3253 [22:19:35] <toad_> hmmm?
3254 [22:19:36] <jhutchins_wk> Plex?
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3263 [22:21:10] <jhutchins_wk> toad_: Well, no, things have changed again.
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3274 [22:27:44] <jhutchins_wk> ,v xbmc
3275 [22:27:45] <judd> Package: xbmc on amd64 -- wheezy: 2:11.0~git20120510.82388d5-1; wheezy-backports: 2:13.2+dfsg1-3~bpo70+1; jessie: 2:13.2+dfsg1-4; stretch: 2:17.1+dfsg1-2; sid: 2:17.1+dfsg1-2; wheezy-multimedia: 4:12.3.1-dmo2; sid-multimedia: 5:14.2; jessie-multimedia: 5:14.2
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3278 [22:28:31] <jhutchins_wk> toad_: There's a mythtv plugin for that.
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3280 [22:29:10] <toad_> for kodi? i thought it was a replacement/competitor?
3281 [22:29:26] <Brigo> jhutchins_wk, i think xbmc now is calling kodi
3282 [22:29:47] <missmbob> yep, it's kodi
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3284 [22:30:22] <jhutchins_wk> Well, there are a bunch of xbmc packages in Jessie...
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3286 [22:30:46] <toad_> and no reasonable way to migrate existing content/preferences
3287 [22:30:49] <random_numbers> Isn't kodi just a pre-packaged xmbc?
3288 [22:30:51] <jhutchins_wk> Aptitude doesn't find anything for kodi
3289 [22:31:07] <toad_> however there are packaging scripts for mythtv
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3291 [22:31:14] <random_numbers> replaced-url
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3293 [22:31:24] <missmbob> ,i kodi-data
3294 [22:31:25] <judd> No package named 'kodi-data' was found in jessie/amd64.
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3296 [22:31:33] <jhutchins_wk> kodi is probably what I was thinking about rather than plex.
3297 [22:31:40] <missmbob> i show it in stretch
3298 [22:31:47] <toad_> cool
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3301 [22:32:12] <toad_> does it have multirec support? (multiple programs simultaneously/overlapping from the same DVB multiplex)
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3305 [22:32:30] <bergur> #debian
3306 [22:32:33] <toad_> sorry
3307 [22:32:35] <bergur> snackbar
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3310 [22:33:53] <jhutchins_wk> toad_: AFIK if you want parallel recording you need multiple tuners.
3311 [22:34:02] <toad_> what's snackbar?
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3319 [22:36:47] <teraflops> toad_: kodi does nothing but frontend, you want something like tvheadend
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3322 [22:36:57] <teraflops> tvheadend is just awesome
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3329 [22:39:24] <teraflops> I dont think you can record more than one source at a time (talking about dvb-t) unless you have more then one tunner
3330 [22:39:39] <teraflops> than*
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3340 [22:41:54] <bergur> hello
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3350 [22:43:26] <saitoh183> anyone on?
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3352 [22:44:04] <jolt> dpkg: answer
3353 [22:44:04] <dpkg> You often get no answer when nobody knows how to solve a problem, and they decide not to bother you with their ignorance; it is not meant as disrespect. Also: Did you include enough information in your question to make it answerable? (see <smart questions>)
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3365 [22:50:51] <ForceRecon> do you think debian err.. linux is on its own as good as windows can be with isolation and compartmentalization in a vm or sandbox?
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3370 [22:52:03] <jhutchins_wk> ForceRecon: Not sure what you're asking. "good".
3371 [22:52:04] <missmbob> have you heard of wannacry?
3372 [22:52:22] <ForceRecon> of course.. yes
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3374 [22:52:44] <missmbob> then i dont know why you're asking
3375 [22:53:17] <ForceRecon> you would affect the OS if you ran your browser in a sandbox
3376 [22:53:30] <ForceRecon> so what does wannacry have to do with that or am I missing something here
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3378 [22:53:50] <missmbob> it affects a bug in an antivirus which is sandboxed.
3379 [22:54:49] <missmbob> windows "sandbox" is cute
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3381 [22:56:39] <ForceRecon> sandboxing in windows is a fantastic way to keep your internet activities away from your actual os.. you are going to make me go read now as i did not hear about access to the OS through a sandboxed PC utilizing a bug in some antirus software
3382 [22:56:44] <ForceRecon> are you sure?
3383 [22:57:16] <missmbob> then you havent read about wannycry
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3385 [22:58:02] <missmbob> i really dont care if you believe me or not, though. nor is this the place to have such discussion. you can try #debian-offtopic
3386 [22:58:05] <koollman> missmbob: well ... no. it does not. it's a smb bug. maybe you're thinking about an other one ? (there was one on windows defender and nscript which was very nasty)
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3390 [22:58:36] <hanm> hi
3391 [22:58:43] <hanm> for some reason when i blacklist xhci_hcd driver, i get ATA errors "[ 51.471471] ata1.00: failed command: WRITE FPDMA QUEUED"
3392 [22:58:49] <hanm> any idea why?
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3394 [22:59:06] <hanm> this makes me think i have a USB storage device attached in my laptop but i dont THINk thats the case
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3415 [23:04:47] <hanm> any ideas?
3416 [23:04:56] <greycat> !any ideas
3417 [23:04:57] <dpkg> Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a box full of ground beef, a little K-Y jelly, and 42 sex-crazed oxen. And keep the FBI off my back for the next few hours!
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3420 [23:06:51] <hanm> greycat: lol wtf
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3509 [23:45:01] <kalipso> !any ideas
3510 [23:45:01] <dpkg> Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a sack full of ground beef, a little K-Y jelly, and a dozen starving dairy cows. And keep the Cabal off my back for the next few hours!
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