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3 [00:02:53] <one_over> How do you update the list of attached devices on debian?
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10 [00:06:58] <one_over> I used dd to wipe my flash drive and when I use fdisk -l or lsblk it still shows the old partitions on the flash drive.
11 [00:07:46] <dob1> lsusb ?
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13 [00:08:32] <aerth> wipefs -a /dev/usbthing
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62 [00:39:23] <dschooner> im running debian on an inspiron 1501 and am having issues setting up the wifi
63 [00:40:20] <dschooner> ive tried using firmware-b43-installer but says package does not exist
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67 [00:41:59] <dschooner> anyone availabe for some help?
68 [00:42:51] <petemc> !contrib
69 [00:42:51] <dpkg> [contrib] Debian packages that contain <DFSG>-compliant software, but have dependencies not in main (possibly packaged for Debian in non-free). To get contrib packages, add lines like "deb replaced-url
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75 [00:44:23] <dschooner> anyone help installing firmware-b43-installer
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78 [00:45:01] <petemc> dschooner: i think that package you require is in contrib, see above
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84 [00:45:43] <petemc> or dont
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111 [01:19:32] <eros23> Ciao a tutti :P
112 [01:20:02] <dvs> !ciao
113 [01:20:02] <dpkg> somebody said ciao was both hello and goodbye (casual), or a slow and old but widely known Prolog interpreter.
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181 [01:56:30] <__imp__> hello!
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183 [01:57:03] <__imp__> Someone know where to setup automatic getty sessions with a pre-defined user using systemd?
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192 [02:01:03] <jmcnaught> __imp__: you could try using /lib/systemd/system/debug-shell.service as an example, and use the User= and Group= directives (systemd.exec(5))
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231 [02:26:15] <__imp__> Hello! I'm looking where to setup the systemd getty automatic login on debian live installer, but I could not find where the exact configuration is (I want to a. disable automatic login on getty or b. change the default auto login user). Any tips/
232 [02:27:41] * themill didn't think there was an auto login
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238 [02:28:28] <sptnx> Create the following file (and leading directories):
239 [02:28:28] <sptnx> /etc/systemd/system/serial-getty@ttyS0.service.d/autologin.conf
240 [02:28:28] <sptnx> [Service]
241 [02:28:28] <sptnx> ExecStart=
242 [02:28:28] <sptnx> ExecStart=-/usr/bin/agetty --autologin username -s %I 115200,38400,9600 vt102
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246 [02:28:40] <sptnx> sorry
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248 [02:30:01] <__imp__> themill, there is a kind of auto login, since every VT tty from 2 to 6 I change it opens a new shell, with the standard user "user"
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251 [02:30:31] <__imp__> just because that name is a pain to find where the setup could be since grep user * -r can lead to a huge output
252 [02:30:31] <sptnx> __imp__: replaced-url
253 [02:30:51] <__imp__> sptnx: yes. I found that already. But isn't the way debian -live is set. :-)
254 [02:31:40] <themill> __imp__: which Debian live image is this?
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256 [02:31:53] <sptnx> didnt debian live use systemd?
257 [02:32:24] <__imp__> sptnx: yes. it does.
258 [02:32:38] <__imp__> is 9.0 :-(
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260 [02:32:39] <__imp__> :-()
261 [02:32:41] <__imp__> :-)
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264 [02:34:18] <themill> s/is/will be/ (I've not looked at the stretch ones yet)
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267 [02:35:42] <__imp__> themill: anyway.. systemd is a newthing to me already :-) I was used to sysinit :-D But I'm enjoying systemd. (except that still looks like a maze to me). but the commands and how it handles the logs and services is very neat.
268 [02:35:53] <__imp__> when live start it says:
269 [02:36:03] <__imp__> host login: user *automatic login
270 [02:36:09] <__imp__> and logs..
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272 [02:36:21] <Yojimbo> hey guys
273 [02:36:32] <Yojimbo> installing debian 8.8
274 [02:36:39] <Yojimbo> i chose LVM encrypted
275 [02:36:49] <Yojimbo> and i choose seperate home folder in the installer
276 [02:37:02] <Yojimbo> but does it encrypt swap by default?
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282 [02:38:51] <jmcnaught> Yojimbo: swap is encrypted if you choose the guided partitioning lvm with encryption method
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284 [02:39:05] <Yojimbo> jmcnaught: awesome thanks
285 [02:39:21] <Yojimbo> yes i did that. Thats just super. Thanks.
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287 [02:39:44] <jmcnaught> you're welcome ☺
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292 [02:41:36] <dirac1> Hey guys i'm configuring a little headless server and i'm having issues with a weird error from perl: replaced-url
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294 [02:42:09] <dirac1> it's about the locales but i'm not sure how to solve it, already did localectl set-locale en_US.UTF-8
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297 [02:43:58] <aypea[1]> dirac1: dpkg-reconfigure locales
298 [02:44:11] <aypea[1]> dirac1: then select the locales you want to exist on the system
299 [02:44:17] <dirac1> where's dpkg-reconfigure?
300 [02:44:20] <dirac1> /usr/bin?
301 [02:44:23] <dirac1> /sbin/?
302 [02:44:25] <aypea[1]> dirac1: in your path
303 [02:44:39] <dirac1> i apply dpkg-reconfigure and isn't working
304 [02:44:58] <aypea[1]> dirac1: you selected en_US.UTF-8 in it?
305 [02:45:12] <dirac1> i have it on /etc/locale.conf
306 [02:45:33] <aypea[1]> dirac1: yeah I don't have that file
307 [02:45:42] <aypea[1]> dirac1: and the above is how I solve the issue you have
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309 [02:46:03] <aypea[1]> dirac1: so I don't think you did what I'm suggesting
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311 [02:46:14] <dirac1> I don't have dpkg-reconfigure.
312 [02:46:21] <themill> Not very debian then
313 [02:46:24] <aypea[1]> dirac1: what's your $PATH?
314 [02:46:25] <dirac1> I installed debconf, but isn't there...
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318 [02:47:07] <dirac1> /usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/games
319 [02:47:16] <aypea[1]> dirac1: you need to be root. are you root?
320 [02:47:50] <dirac1> Oh.. lol
321 [02:48:25] <dirac1> I think i have a different $PATH for my root :/
322 [02:48:38] <aypea[1]> dirac1: one generally does :)
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327 [02:51:45] <dirac1> Yes apparently everything is ok now.
328 [02:51:48] <dirac1> Thanks aypea[1].
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330 [02:52:06] <aypea[1]> dirac1: no worries :)
331 [02:52:30] <dirac1> I'll be asking stuffs this days, while i configure the debian system, i've always used arch.
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333 [02:53:02] <aypea[1]> dirac1: learning curves are fun :)
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399 [03:33:38] <dirac1> Should i use aptitude or stick to apt-get?
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404 [03:36:56] <ryouma> dirac1: in case nobody more knowledgeable answers, for distro upgrade they tell you which to use, but other than that, it's probably preference. i think aptitude still has one db of its own that apt-get doesn't access, related to held packages or so, but don't quote me on that.
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406 [03:37:22] <ryouma> dependency resolution differs
407 [03:37:32] <ryouma> apt-get is faster
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421 [03:43:17] <dirac1> so i'll stick with apt-get until someone elses gives me a life changing cause to use aptitude.
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423 [03:45:33] <Tramp> !why aptitude
424 [03:45:33] <dpkg> aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution and will often find a solution where apt-get gives up. It can be used from the command line like apt-get plus an interactive resolver makes it much easier to recover from broken dependencies. It has advanced search capabilities (see <aptitude search>). For some upgrades, apt-get is preferred (e.g. <lenny->squeeze>, <squeeze->wheezy>). replaced-url
425 [03:46:00] <dirac1> That's life changing, ok.
426 [03:46:20] <Tramp> yw
427 [03:50:51] <zykotick9> dirac1: personally, from stretch on... apt might be your best choice. apt lacks some features in jessie :(
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448 [04:13:52] <yolan> Hello, where can I find iwlwifi-{1, 2, 3, 4, 5}.ucode ?
449 [04:14:07] <yolan> Hello, where can I find iwlwifi5000-{1, 2, 3, 4, 5}.ucode ?*
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453 [04:17:04] <yolan> replaced-url
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464 [04:27:09] <ch3ck3rs> hey i am new to debian and am using gnome 3...any tips for newbies?
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467 [04:32:22] <pacha> ch3ck3rs: switch to xfce instead of gnome and learn your way through the terminal, vim/emacs and configuration files
468 [04:33:15] <aypea[1]> yeah. xfce is a nice suggestion.
469 [04:33:35] <iWaldo> i3wm noob
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472 [04:34:01] <yolan> Hello again, nobody to help me ? I try to install debian but they ask me the missing firmware files are iwlwifi-5000-5.code, iwlwifi-5000-4.code, iwlwifi-5000-3.code, iwlwifi-5000-2.code, iwlwifi-5000-1.code,
473 [04:34:27] <yolan> I can't find iwlwifi-5000-3 and 4
474 [04:35:15] <yolan> So I tried renaming iwlwifi-5000-2 in iwlwifi-5000-3 and 4
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476 [04:35:32] <yolan> by copying it and renaming it twice, but it doesn't work.
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479 [04:36:55] <ch3ck3rs> yolan, install linux-firmware
480 [04:37:26] <yolan> ch3ck3rs, I'm booting up on a USB key, I can't install something on it directly (no shell)
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482 [04:38:03] <ch3ck3rs> yolan, no shell?!
483 [04:38:40] <yolan> ch3ck3rs, well, I install it from USB on my computer. It's the installation process.
484 [04:38:54] <ch3ck3rs> yolan, i am also on a usb key with a full install
485 [04:39:06] <yolan> ch3ck3rs, yes but you are live.
486 [04:39:25] <yolan> And you have internet. The firmware is for my ethernet card.
487 [04:39:41] <ch3ck3rs> yolan, no...not live...full disk install
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489 [04:40:00] <yolan> how ?
490 [04:40:21] <yolan> oh ok. Nevermind x) I found the option in the menu.
491 [04:40:34] <ch3ck3rs> yolan, iwlwifi is a "wireless" driver for newer intel cards
492 [04:40:41] <yolan> ch3ck3rs, exact.
493 [04:40:49] <ch3ck3rs> yolan, not an ethernet driver
494 [04:41:00] <yolan> There is no ethernet port on my computer, so I don't really have the choice.
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496 [04:42:12] <ch3ck3rs> yolan, try installing solydx or siduction
497 [04:42:46] <ch3ck3rs> yolan, siduction will not be "officially" supported on this channel
498 [04:43:01] <yolan> ch3ck3rs, what will that change ?
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500 [04:43:27] <ch3ck3rs> yolan, both of those options have the iwlwifi in the live installer
501 [04:43:30] <aypea[1]> yolan: what is the issue you're having?
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504 [04:44:16] <yolan> aypea[1], I can't install from another USB key the firmware that are missing (iwlwifi)
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506 [04:44:28] <aypea[1]> yolan: so you have the tarball already?
507 [04:44:42] <yolan> Ohhhh
508 [04:44:46] <yolan> It should be the tarball?
509 [04:44:53] <yolan> I untared the .ucode on the usbkey.
510 [04:44:53] <aypea[1]> yolan: maybe ;)
511 [04:44:59] <aypea[1]> yolan: ah
512 [04:45:01] <aypea[1]> yolan: ok
513 [04:45:03] <aypea[1]> yolan: that's fine
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516 [04:45:08] <aypea[1]> yolan: you've got all of them there?
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519 [04:45:40] <spectre> yolan: install siduction
520 [04:45:55] <yolan> I miss 2 of them aypea[1] but I have created fake files 5000-3 and 5000-4 by copying iwlwifi-5000-2.ucode
521 [04:46:12] <aypea[1]> yolan: probably not a good move. you might blow up the universe :)
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523 [04:46:30] <yolan> aypea[1], I tried to find a workaround. x)
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525 [04:46:46] <aypea[1]> yolan: where did you get the files from?
526 [04:46:56] <yolan> replaced-url
527 [04:47:01] <yolan> aypea[1],
528 [04:47:15] <spectre> yolan: download the iso...dd if=/blah/blah/siduction of=/your/disk/on/key and boot from that
529 [04:47:28] <aypea[1]> yolan: cool. one sec.
530 [04:47:36] <yolan> aypea[1], thanks you.
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532 [04:48:40] <aypea[1]> yolan: ok. grab the deb and put IT on a usb stick. once done shout
533 [04:48:53] <yolan> spectre, I find it quite unpleasant to be on a chan to find help about how to install debian and being redirected to something else. x) If I wanted devuan, siduction or else I could have installed it by now. If there is no solution to my problem I will find something else
534 [04:49:10] <yolan> aypea[1], ok.
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538 [04:51:35] <yolan> aypea[1], you rock, it worked like a charm. Thanks you.
539 [04:51:47] <aypea[1]> sweet :)
540 [04:52:03] <yolan> Simple and stupid ^^
541 [04:52:24] <iWaldo> lurking but... isn't intel in the kernel for the most part?
542 [04:52:45] <aypea[1]> iwaldo: drivers are but firmware isn't
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544 [04:53:08] <aypea[1]> yolan: overthinking happens to everyone :)
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546 [04:53:44] <iWaldo> so the firmware that plays well with the linux kernel is different from the firmware that windows can use?
547 [04:53:57] <aypea[1]> iwaldo: no idea on that one.
548 [04:54:07] <yolan> it's 3AM here so.. aypea[1] :-p
549 [04:54:14] <iWaldo> must be lonely
550 [04:54:20] <aypea[1]> yolan: and that's the best time for it :)
551 [04:54:38] <aypea[1]> iwaldo: could be that windows drivers also load in firmware
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555 [04:55:57] <ch3ck3rs> yolan, both siduction and solydx are debian
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557 [04:57:20] <aypea[1]> ch3ck3rs: so they're available on replaced-url
558 [04:57:37] <yolan> aypea[1], when sun leave, geek live
559 [04:57:39] <ch3ck3rs> yolan, they will both also allow you to install over wifi without issue...the pure debian installer will not have the intel drivers because they are propietary blobs
560 [04:58:04] <aypea[1]> yolan: as a night owl I'm totally with that.
561 [04:58:11] <yolan> ch3ck3rs, yes I know that
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563 [04:58:44] <yolan> aypea[1], question: Is it possible to use a SD card as a boot device ?
564 [04:59:15] <aypea[1]> yolan: I've used an sd card for an entire OS. had to fiddle with mountwait options as usb drive detection is async, though.
565 [04:59:59] <ch3ck3rs> yolan, solydx is very refined and now is debian stable...siduction is "unstable" in the debian sense of the word but for a desktop system is excellent
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567 [05:03:01] <yolan> aypea[1], OK thanks. Can I disconnected the usb key with the firmware on it once it has charged ?
568 [05:03:45] <raynold> ahh it's a wonderful day
569 [05:03:47] <aypea[1]> yolan: if it's not mounted. if you mean after the install, sure.
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572 [05:05:28] <yolan> masterpiece: replaced-url
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607 [05:43:58] <GanzAndere> I removed /var/lib/mongodb and when reinstall it I can't get the contents back
608 [05:44:18] <GanzAndere> I can't even seem to run the service any more
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611 [05:49:13] <jmcnaught> GanzAndere: are you trying to restore a backup, or start fresh? did you remove or purge the mongodb package(s)?
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637 [06:18:14] <dirac1> Uhmm how to check syslog on debian?.
638 [06:18:23] <dirac1> There's no "journalctl"
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640 [06:19:54] <hanasaki> how do you list all the installed gnome controls and turn them on/off?
641 [06:24:09] <dirac1> nvm found it..
642 [06:25:56] <jmcnaught> hanasaki: do you mean extensions?
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649 [06:34:03] <hanasaki> yes.. .looks like gnome tweak tool.. jmcnaught
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654 [06:37:22] <jmcnaught> hanasaki: yeah, or replaced-url
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665 [06:44:39] <hanasaki> jmcnaught: for some reason any extension I install just flips back to the screen that says its not installed and I can click on OFF to ON ... again and again
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721 [07:33:31] <bit1> hello
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724 [07:34:41] <bit1> debian-testing-amd64-netinst.iso Which is the user name and password for default installation?
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731 [07:37:51] <jmcnaught> bit1: the installer asks you for these values. in expert mode you do not need to create a user
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743 [07:50:14] <bit1> jmcnaught, thank you, I've already found it (user/live).
744 [07:51:11] <jmcnaught> bit1: oh you meant the live image but said netinst?
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748 [07:53:50] <bit1> jmcnaught, you are ok...
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770 [08:23:54] <dgeary2> in debian 9 "stretch" (currently in testing), am attempting to build android project with gradle. am using android-sdk and android-sdk-platform-23 from debian stretch and com.android.tools.build:gradle:2.2.3 from jcenter. am getting 'LintError: Lint Failure' 'Can't find API database; API check not performed', but, through web searching and strace, have been unable to find out what the API database is or where the linter is
771 [08:23:54] <dgeary2> looking for it. any pointers on how to proceed?
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787 [08:39:37] <dgeary2> just noticed #debian-next (irc.oftc.net) in the channel topic. will re-ask there.
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818 [09:08:25] <synaptickaos> does debian have a tool like the SUSE image writer for making bootable usb drives?
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823 [09:11:17] <Cl0udN9ne> ,v golang-1.8
824 [09:11:19] <judd> Package: golang-1.8 on amd64 -- stretch: 1.8~rc3-1; sid: 1.8.1-1
825 [09:11:47] <Cl0udN9ne> where is the above package installed and how do i compile using it?
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829 [09:12:38] <at0m> Cl0udN9ne: you would not 'compile', but apt-get install $package
830 [09:13:10] <Cl0udN9ne> at0m: using tht package,how do i compile?
831 [09:13:30] <Cl0udN9ne> i mean go build main.go is telling bash: coundlnt find go
832 [09:13:42] <jmcnaught> Cl0udN9ne: "dpkg -L golang-1.8" to see a list of files installed by the package (if it is already installed). I don't know golang, but Debian packages often have a README.Debian in /usr/share/doc/packagename, a good place to look
833 [09:14:00] <Cl0udN9ne> ok thnx
834 [09:14:37] <jmcnaught> from what i recall from trying golang before it installed to /usr/lib/go…something and I had to add it to my $PATH and also set a $GOPATH
835 [09:14:47] <at0m> and often a #channel here on freenode. see /msg alis list golang
836 [09:14:58] <Cl0udN9ne> yes already tried tht
837 [09:15:15] <dirac1> What does a "system" account differs from a regular account doing the "useradd --system" command ?
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839 [09:16:08] <Cl0udN9ne> yes its at /usr/lib/go-1.8
840 [09:16:21] <Cl0udN9ne> so i hav to add tht path to my bashrc?
841 [09:16:46] <at0m> dirac1: apart from what's in man useradd for system?
842 [09:19:19] <Cl0udN9ne> jmcnaught: how do i export PATHS?
843 [09:20:19] <at0m> dirac1: system accounts get a UID/GID under 1000.. no home directory, at best a home in /var/lib/?
844 [09:21:11] <dirac1> at0m, sorry didn't read the whole --system side, i should go to sleep is 3:20am.
845 [09:21:21] <at0m> then sleep =)
846 [09:21:43] <jmcnaught> Cl0udN9ne: for just your user or for everyone?
847 [09:21:57] <Cl0udN9ne> jmcnaught: nvr mind im searching it
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858 [09:24:43] <Cl0udN9ne> is this correct: PATH=$PATH:/usr/lib/go-1.8 ?
859 [09:25:24] <Cl0udN9ne> still bash: go: command not found
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863 [09:26:40] <at0m> Cl0udN9ne: you'd need to log out and log in for $path to take effect. or restart a shell, or export in that shell, then run it
864 [09:26:55] <Cl0udN9ne> ok
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868 [09:28:44] <Cl0udN9ne> at0m: it worked
869 [09:28:52] <at0m> PATH=$PATH:blah would append blah to your system defined $PATH's. ee echo $PATH
870 [09:29:59] <Cl0udN9ne> ok thnx
871 [09:30:01] <Cl0udN9ne> brb
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882 [09:38:21] <jmcnaught> Cl0udN9ne: are you sure you don't want /usr/lib/go-1.8/bin?
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981 [10:48:56] <r7st> all sound suddenly stopped including system beeps. may have fried the speakers? when hooking up this thinkpad to its "docking station" there is plastic piece that disables you from hooking power to the laptop directly when it is in use. that piece had broken off somehow, and i did that. after that, no sound. with or without the docking station and after reboots
982 [10:49:06] <r7st> restarted alsa
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1060 [11:51:19] <at0m> r7st: does aplay -l return your audio card? do headphones output audio?
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1099 [12:18:14] <hardenedapple> Hi there, I'm in the middle of installing debian to a USB drive (i.e. normal install instead of `dd`'ing an iso) and at the stage it asks me whether to install GRUB on a hard disk it's listing the OS's on my hard-drive instead of my USB.
1100 [12:18:40] <hardenedapple> I want it to install GRUB to the MBR of my USB, but not my hard-drive. Which would it do if I select `yes` ?
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1102 [12:20:00] <viscera> I vaguely remember this annoying me years ago, but I can't remember the answer hardenedapple :(
1103 [12:21:00] <rozie> don't install it to hdd
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1105 [12:21:20] <SuperSeriousCat> Cant you pick no and then write the path of USB?
1106 [12:21:38] <rozie> probably you need to finish installation without grub, then install it manually
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1109 [12:22:23] <rozie> I'd just use debootstrap if I wanted full install on USB
1110 [12:22:41] <rozie> well, I'd use debootstrap in most cases ;)
1111 [12:22:51] <missmbob> you're not using live iso, are you? and you're using two usb's?
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1113 [12:23:37] <SynrG> i assume it also asks which hdd, and the USB is just one of your HDDs ...
1114 [12:23:53] <hardenedapple> I've got one USB with the live disk on it, and another that I'm installing to. The machine itself has something completely different on it.
1115 [12:24:13] <hardenedapple> When partitioning/installing it asked me which disk and I selected the second USB
1116 [12:24:21] <digup> How is Ryzen support on stable right now, and how will it be on stretch when it becomes stable soon (hopefully)?
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1118 [12:24:23] <missmbob> dont use live iso to install. it's known to have various bugs the installer iso does not
1119 [12:25:23] <hardenedapple> I may have the installer iso -- I didn't know there was a difference -- i'll go check
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1122 [12:27:22] <pragomer> I am running stretch with kde. since 1 month or so I often get error message like this:
1123 [12:27:56] <pragomer> Error KIOExec: A folder named /home/user/.cache/kioexe/krun/ARANDOMNUMER already exists
1124 [12:27:57] <nkuttler> !tell pragomer about debian-next
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1126 [12:28:19] <pragomer> how can I get an invite to "debian-next" ?
1127 [12:28:27] <nkuttler> pragomer: it's on oftc
1128 [12:28:32] <pragomer> oh ok
1129 [12:29:10] <pragomer> thanks
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1140 [12:38:47] <hardenedapple> Thanks guys -- alls working nicely now
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1147 [12:40:34] <viscera> hardenedapple: how did you fix it?
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1153 [12:42:41] <hardenedapple> I ran the install without installing GRUB. Then used my hard-drive OS to toggle the bootable flag of the USB root partition, and installed GRUB on the USB with `mount /dev/sdb /mnt && grub-install --boot-directory=/mnt/boot /dev/sdb`
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1156 [12:46:36] <hardenedapple> Actually, when I say ran the install without installing GRUB: I selected `No` at the first screen, but then there was an option to install GRUB on another disk, and my USB was listed there. I selected that disk but the USB didn't end up bootable. Don't know why, but it was easy to fix.
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1158 [12:46:52] <viscera> hardenedapple: I see. I wonder why d-i doesn't handle this.
1159 [12:47:39] <hardenedapple> There's every possibility that it does but I selected the wrong option somewhere (I didn't exactly pay much attention to the instructions)
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1177 [12:55:09] <rokra> Hello guys, I have an issue with sound card, is it possible to get some help: on one session sound is going through speakers but my keyboard is not able to manage sound (mute , + - ) and on other session I m able to manage sound wih keyboard but sound is going through screen :s ,
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1184 [13:00:14] <dgeary2> rokra: are these 2 sessions different user accounts?
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1189 [13:02:17] <rokra> dgeary2: yes
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1223 [13:20:44] <dgeary2> rokra: which desktop environment are you using?
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1226 [13:22:55] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
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1235 [13:31:53] <Plushfish> Okay guys, I'm looking for weeks how I can sucessfully install and run Xen on a EFI-enabled system. If you are unable to help and think I'm the stupid guy here then I can't really helpnor support you and might change the distribution now ... get out <censored> done and don't blame people for your faults!
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1252 [13:45:11] <teraflops> ಠ_ಠ
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1339 [14:57:08] <LessIsMore> Hello
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1341 [14:57:46] <Tachaway> anyone know of a console font larger than 16x32? or a way to resize the 16x32 TerminusBold to 32x64?
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1380 [15:20:49] <jolt> Tachaway: Don't know much about this, but can't you use a ttf font? They are vectors so they can have any size
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1382 [15:21:53] <Tachaway> I'm not sure if a TTF font would work with the console, I'm certain they have to be bitmapped fonts though there's probably a tool to convert them, I've worked around the issue by changing the console size anyway so the monitor does the doubling -.o
1383 [15:22:15] <jolt> I use replaced-url
1384 [15:22:33] <jolt> Ah, console, not terminal. Sorry
1385 [15:22:43] <jolt> I was thinking in an X app.
1386 [15:23:22] <Tachaway> oh that is nice, monospaced too
1387 [15:23:33] <jolt> Yeah, at least it's a nice font :D
1388 [15:24:05] <Tachaway> yes, I'll try it with putty on the windows box, windows is not awash with good terminal fonts, at least by default
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1392 [15:26:12] <LessIsMore> is the package "net-tools" deprecated ?
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1394 [15:27:10] <jolt> LessIsMore: The net-tools package will be deprecated in favor of iproute2. See Section 5.3.9, “iproute2 will replace net-tools” or the Debian reference manual for more informations.
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1398 [15:28:27] <jolt> LessIsMore: So it has been degraded from important to optional, and the reverse for iproute2. But I would assume it will be optional for a long time
1399 [15:29:46] <LessIsMore> jolt: Ok thanks, so I suppose it is safe to remove the package right ?
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1401 [15:30:58] <jolt> LessIsMore: I would think so yes
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1407 [15:34:52] <jelly> LessIsMore: as long as you don't have any custom, non-packaged scripts or tools using the old commands
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1409 [15:35:52] <LessIsMore> jolt: I see that the priority was change for stretch version, in jessie the package has the important priority
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1441 [16:03:54] <rosettacodes> does anyone have a clue why the /dev/sxx would not boot as a root file system unless you retype it at the busybox shell
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1444 [16:05:32] <rosettacodes> and has some wierd message about device 800 or so is not a root device
1445 [16:05:53] <rosettacodes> and then when you retype it..it loads the root fs
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1451 [16:07:54] <rosettacodes> well must be the wrong place to ask that kind of question ...i guess i will just have to work on it later
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1513 [16:41:40] <ZSky> how to know if I have sendmail or postfix?
1514 [16:41:45] <ZSky> or anything else?
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1516 [16:43:43] <ZSky> any idea?
1517 [16:43:49] <rudi_s> ZSky: dpkg -l postfix
1518 [16:43:59] <rudi_s> dpkg -l exim4
1519 [16:43:59] <dpkg> ii exim4 3.1-15.1 rudi_s's private coin collection
1520 [16:44:26] <rudi_s> Most likely exim on a standard debian system.
1521 [16:44:32] <zykotick9> ZSky: perhaps "dpkg -S /usb/sbin/sendmail" will point in the right direction
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1523 [16:46:00] <ZSky> zykotick9! working
1524 [16:46:06] <ZSky> what does -S do?
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1528 [16:48:51] <rudi_s> ZSky: Searches for the package which contains the file.
1529 [16:49:10] <rudi_s> (Or multiple packages if you give only a partial path.)
1530 [16:49:17] <gronne> Hey Narakel
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1537 [16:53:13] <liufuming> hi, when will the debian 9 release?
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1539 [16:53:37] <liufuming> who know it?
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1544 [16:54:51] <rudi_s> liufuming: When it's done. You can help by fixing release-critical-bugs.
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1551 [16:57:31] <BluesKaj> liufuming, supposedly in mid 2017 which will be next month at the earliest
1552 [16:57:32] <liufuming> I'm not a programmer,sorry
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1590 [17:28:41] <_mirko_> I want to enable ssl on my owncloud server, but there is no a2enmod executable in debian's apache2 package. How to do this?
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1595 [17:30:23] <rudi_s> _mirko_: which -a a2enmod yields /usr/sbin/a2enmod - you need to have /usr/sbin in your path.
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1597 [17:31:38] <_mirko_> rudi_s: thanks, I'll try to change that now.
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1599 [17:32:14] <rudi_s> sudo should do that, and if you su to root then it should include it arelady.
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1601 [17:33:35] <_mirko_> rudi_s: thanks a lot!
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1604 [17:33:40] <rudi_s> np
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1619 [17:43:24] <dirac1> How i import a self-signed certificate to firefox?
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1622 [17:46:19] <veloist> hi!
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1624 [17:46:56] <veloist> even though ipv6 is disabled in NetworkManager, it still adds an ipv6 DNS server to my /etc/resolv.conf. is there a way to keep it from doing that?
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1631 [17:51:24] <veloist> argl its even worse ... when i enable ipv6 and specify my own DNS address, that doesn't get used either
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1633 [17:51:35] <veloist> it always uses the ipv6 DNS server that's broken
1634 [17:51:54] <Dagger> it's probably coming from RDNSS, and being added by rdnssd
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1636 [17:52:05] <Dagger> but um. why is your network configured to use a DNS server that's broken?
1637 [17:52:22] <Dagger> if it's broken then don't configure your network to use it in the first place
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1641 [17:53:31] <veloist> Dagger: we have this horrible home router by the cable company. I did put my own router behind it, but the DNS server on the cable company's router cannot be disabled.
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1644 [17:54:26] <veloist> ah!
1645 [17:55:05] <veloist> "apt purge rdnssd" seems to have done the job. Thank you Dagger!
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1647 [17:55:28] <Dagger> sounds like you need to replace it with a router that isn't crap
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1650 [17:58:43] <BluesKaj> veloist,do have acces to the router thru a browser and gateway IP , try ip add in the console to get the gatewat ip
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1652 [18:01:03] <BluesKaj> gateway even
1653 [18:01:34] <veloist> Dagger: that's a social problem, not a technical one. This is the only provider we can get here and they forbid the use of anything but the router that they supply.
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1658 [18:03:08] <BluesKaj> veloist, so no accss to the router firmeare an settings ?
1659 [18:03:33] <BluesKaj> firmware
1660 [18:03:47] <veloist> BluesKaj: yeah, i need to configure the wifi router to act as a gateway for ethernet connections as well. That's true; haven't gotten around to that. Right now I'm happy though :)
1661 [18:04:04] <veloist> BluesKaj: nope. The firmware is remotely updated. I inherently do not trust that thing.
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1663 [18:04:07] <BluesKaj> ok
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1685 [18:17:10] <Mich2443> Hi. I have pam_unix and another authmethod marked sufficent in the pam-config file.
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1688 [18:17:45] <Mich2443> Can i configure what method should be attemed by /bin/login?
1689 [18:18:06] <BluesKaj> veloist, I used to have a an ISP supplied router, but it was easily accessed since it was a mofified 2Wire model.
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1735 [18:48:08] <Freemon> guys do i have to add "unstable" or "sid" to get to sid repo ??
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1737 [18:48:24] <Freemon> deb [arch=amd64,i386] replaced-url
1738 [18:48:35] <Freemon> so i add unstable or sid
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1740 [18:49:17] <Freemon> guys anyone their ?
1741 [18:49:21] <towo`> [arch=amd64,i386] absolutely useless
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1743 [18:49:35] <Freemon> what about the sid/unstable part?
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1745 [18:49:49] <towo`> if you have to ask, don't do it
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1747 [18:50:05] <Freemon> i want to move to testing to unstable?
1748 [18:50:16] <Freemon> it was stretch before
1749 [18:50:37] <towo`> again, if you have to ask, don't do it
1750 [18:50:44] <petn-randall> Freemon: Is there a reason you want to use that repo? There might be better alternatives.
1751 [18:51:12] <Freemon> quite few software i need had lib missing only to be found out in sid
1752 [18:51:26] <Freemon> currently i am running stretch
1753 [18:52:19] <petn-randall> Freemon: Then remove the "[arch=amd64,i386]" part and update. Keep in mind though that you should fully update to sid or testing after the release of stretch, otherwise you'll break your system with time.
1754 [18:52:52] <petn-randall> Freemon: Also keep in mind that since the packages you want are not in stretch, that they were removed there due to release-critical bugs.
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1756 [18:53:34] <Freemon> hmm .. so what u guys suggest testing vs stetch vs sid ?
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1758 [18:53:46] <at0m> dpkg: tell Freemon about sid
1759 [18:54:32] <Freemon> well ... sid i am little skeptical about it ...
1760 [18:55:03] <at0m> like towo` said, if you have to ask how to, you probably should not.
1761 [18:55:18] <Freemon> though my lib requirement pushing me 2wards it.. but again i know its risky as it make it unstable ..
1762 [18:55:28] <Freemon> hmm
1763 [18:55:32] <jelly> Freemon: which specific software and which libs and versions thereof?
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1766 [18:56:21] <jelly> and did you verify those are, in fact, available in sid, but not in stretch
1767 [18:56:33] <Freemon> one is gns3
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1769 [18:56:49] <Freemon> yes i had to install one lib to get it runing
1770 [18:57:01] <Freemon> and quite few others too
1771 [18:57:08] <at0m> Freemon: maybe it's in backports?
1772 [18:57:08] <Freemon> dl lib from sib
1773 [18:57:10] <jelly> ,v gns3
1774 [18:57:11] <judd> Package: gns3 on amd64 -- wheezy/contrib: 0.7.4-1; wheezy-backports/contrib: 0.8.6-3~bpo70+1; stretch/contrib: 0.8.7-2; sid/contrib: 0.8.7-2; jessie/contrib: 0.8.7-2
1775 [18:57:18] <Freemon> 0.8
1776 [18:57:21] <Freemon> too old lol
1777 [18:57:26] <at0m> dpkg: tell Freemon about simple sid backport
1778 [18:57:34] <jelly> and there's nothing later in sid either
1779 [18:57:55] <Freemon> gns3 is their but too old new versions i got it from their site.. it needed a lib from sib to get it installed
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1783 [18:58:06] <jelly> Freemon: which library?
1784 [18:58:22] <Freemon> libvirt-bin_1.2.9-9+deb8u3_amd64
1785 [18:58:36] <Freemon> wasnt their in stretch
1786 [18:58:38] <jelly> that's not a library, that's binaries
1787 [18:58:44] <jelly> ,v libvirt-bin
1788 [18:58:48] <judd> Package: libvirt-bin on amd64 -- wheezy: 0.9.12.3-1+deb7u1; wheezy-security: 0.9.12.3-1+deb7u2; wheezy-backports: 1.2.9-9+deb8u2~bpo70+1; jessie-security: 1.2.9-9+deb8u3; jessie: 1.2.9-9+deb8u4
1789 [18:58:48] <Freemon> yep binaries
1790 [18:59:12] <jelly> and there's no such package in sid
1791 [18:59:12] <Freemon> its wasnt that time ...
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1797 [19:00:59] <jelly> and even in jessie, that's just a transitional package to ease up upgrades from debian 7 to debian 8
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1801 [19:01:47] <uxfi> hi jelly
1802 [19:01:49] <uxfi> how goes
1803 [19:02:05] <jelly> hi
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1806 [19:02:48] <jelly> Freemon: so you got a package for the older release, that's from debian 8 (jessie)
1807 [19:03:03] <uxfi> jelly; if you were hsoting a website/mailserver via dbeian/ubuntu hosting it from home wouldnt be so bad right? in your view?
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1809 [19:03:15] <uxfi> i'm saying this bc my home server is pwoerful than the remote host i Pay for
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1811 [19:03:24] <Freemon> hmm yep
1812 [19:04:05] <Freemon> newer software i get missing libs
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1814 [19:04:32] <Freemon> which i do find in sid as those software do major releases in ubuntu
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1816 [19:04:57] <jelly> uxfi: self hosting mail has certain prequisites not many consumer models offer, like a static ip, valid and matching A and PTR records, unrestricted 25/tcp traffic
1817 [19:04:57] <noqnio1> upgrading from jessie to stretch, setting up dbus is taking over 10 minutes, is this nominal?
1818 [19:05:34] <uxfi> jelly; right I've resolved those...
1819 [19:05:43] <uxfi> jelly; port 25 I get around by usign a SMTP replay
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1821 [19:06:01] <jelly> uxfi: also, how is this a debian question
1822 [19:06:31] <uxfi> jelly; well not entirely a debian question but it was somethign I ran across on a debian forum
1823 [19:06:35] <uxfi> so I wanted to ask
1824 [19:07:24] <jelly> noqnio1: hard to say but I don't remember that happening to me
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1826 [19:07:57] <noqnio1> is there a "correct" procedure for aborting an update? everything will go to hell won't it
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1828 [19:09:25] <noqnio1> oh wait i lied, what i was doing was aptget install xfce4 xfce4-goodies
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1834 [19:11:51] <jelly> noqnio1: just ^C it, do a "dpkg --configure -a", "apt-get -f install" and rerun again
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1836 [19:12:06] <noqnio1> ctrlc does nothing
1837 [19:12:18] <jelly> interesting
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1839 [19:12:24] <jelly> and ^Z ?
1840 [19:12:42] <noqnio1> stopped, did not even went to bg
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1844 [19:13:36] <noqnio1> stuck again during dpkg --configure -a
1845 [19:13:36] <noqnio1> --
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1852 [19:16:49] <noqnio1> i did a reboot and now everything is fine
1853 [19:17:07] <noqnio1> strange, as it was the first thing i did after turning it on
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1861 [19:20:43] <LessIsMore> Hello
1862 [19:21:00] <LessIsMore> What is the best to release/renew an IP address on Debian ?
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1888 [19:29:57] <missmbob> LessIsMore: dhcp? dhclient -r interface releases and then just dhclient interface
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1900 [19:36:31] <dtux> anyone got any good alternatives to keepass? never realized how buggy it is on linux
1901 [19:36:58] <jelly> keepassx?
1902 [19:37:05] <jelly> keepassxc?
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1904 [19:37:58] <missmbob> keepassxc is beautiful
1905 [19:38:09] <jelly> and not present in debian yet
1906 [19:38:20] <jelly> judd: wnpp keepassxc
1907 [19:38:21] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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1913 [19:38:54] <missmbob> they do provide a deb though
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1915 [19:39:21] <dtux> ah, ive actually used keepassx on mac before! didnt realize it was cross-platform. i'll have to give it a go, thanks
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1917 [19:40:03] <jelly> I'm using keepassx, it's not visibly buggy but it doesn't have a lot of features, either
1918 [19:40:15] <jelly> (eg. web browser integration)
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1920 [19:40:30] <dtux> eh, that's ok for me i copy/paste everything anyways
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1923 [19:41:06] <jelly> if you're on jessie, get the build from jessie-backports which supports kdbx
1924 [19:41:14] <dtux> on stretch actually
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1926 [19:41:29] <missmbob> why not use xc which does support web browser?
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1929 [19:41:51] <jelly> missmbob: because it's not in debian!
1930 [19:42:40] <jelly> and they don't have officially sanctioned .deb, the ones they link to are third partay
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1936 [19:44:03] <missmbob> you're afraid to build? :P
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1953 [19:52:16] <jelly> missmbob: can't be arsed to, the current tool is good enough
1954 [19:52:48] <jelly> stopped building own kernels a decade ago
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2109 [21:09:43] <veloist> Hi again!
2110 [21:10:06] <veloist> Do I have any chance of somehow getting the Nvidia driver 173.14.35 installed in Debian 8.8?
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2116 [21:13:28] <rudi_s> veloist: 173?
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2135 [21:20:21] <veloist> rudi_s: yes
2136 [21:20:34] <veloist> rudi_s: it's a GeForce FX 5900XT
2137 [21:20:56] <veloist> oh
2138 [21:21:03] <veloist> it still seems to run, the installer that is
2139 [21:21:07] <veloist> wants me to exit X tho
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2142 [21:21:36] <missmbob> he's in for a surprise.
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2161 [21:35:21] <AlexPortable> Why are there so many default config changes for the openssh package in debian?
2162 [21:35:54] <jelly> config changes compared to what?
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2168 [21:37:48] <mocxz> heloo
2169 [21:37:50] <mocxz> anyone here
2170 [21:38:39] <jelly> nope
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2172 [21:38:46] <jelly> all asleep
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2176 [21:40:49] <BluesKaj> mocxz, just ask your question
2177 [21:41:10] <jelly> !ask
2178 [21:41:10] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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2180 [21:41:26] <AlexPortable> jelly: compared to the default ssh program
2181 [21:41:33] <AlexPortable> there's always allowx11 forwarding or something in the debian one
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2183 [21:41:41] <jelly> AlexPortable: what default ssh program?
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2185 [21:42:05] <jelly> where are you getting the "default" from?
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2188 [21:42:33] <jelly> AlexPortable: which debian release do you have installed?
2189 [21:42:39] <AlexPortable> 8
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2202 [21:46:29] <jelly> AlexPortable: and which version of openssh-server?
2203 [21:46:59] <AlexPortable> not sure the system is turned off right now
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2212 [21:51:31] <jelly> AlexPortable: wait, are you talking about ssh client or ssh server options?
2213 [21:51:36] <AlexPortable> server
2214 [21:51:44] <AlexPortable> sorry didnt clarify that
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2218 [21:52:28] <jelly> yeah, I can see it's enabled by default.
2219 [21:53:08] <jelly> however, ssh _client_ on Debian disables X11Forwarding by default
2220 [21:53:21] <AlexPortable> Well the server package
2221 [21:53:58] <jelly> does this differ from upstream default?
2222 [21:54:12] <jelly> I honestly have no idea
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2224 [21:54:43] <AlexPortable> what's upstream?
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2226 [21:55:36] <jelly> AlexPortable: the authors of openssh portable.
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2228 [21:56:17] <jelly> AlexPortable: you stated Debian changed some defaults. You had to compare them to _something_ to know they've been changed.
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2231 [21:57:06] <jelly> AlexPortable: I just downloaded and unpacked openssh 7.4p1 source, and sshd_config inside also has: X11Forwarding yes
2232 [21:57:13] <AlexPortable> oh well
2233 [21:57:24] <jelly> AlexPortable: so... what exactly has Debian changed?
2234 [21:57:46] <AlexPortable> as far as i remember it was that
2235 [21:57:48] <jelly> what are you comparing it to?
2236 [21:57:58] <jelly> some other distro?
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2238 [21:58:24] <AlexPortable> I don't remember where i got this config file from
2239 [21:59:03] <AlexPortable> it's not user modified at least
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2242 [21:59:51] <jelly> AlexPortable: if you want to get back to distro default, read /msg dpkg confdef
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2244 [22:00:05] <helpmeplez> hello, is this a help channel
2245 [22:00:27] <helpmeplez> trying to fix apt, might have to reinstall debian if all else fails
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2247 [22:00:41] <helpmeplez> thanks
2248 [22:00:42] <AlexPortable> " I don't know, could you explain it?"
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2250 [22:00:54] <AlexPortable> jelly: dpkg returns this ^
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2253 [22:01:11] <jelly> AlexPortable: sorry, confnew
2254 [22:01:15] <petn-randall> helpmeplez: This is the Debian support channel. Are you running Debian?
2255 [22:01:21] <helpmeplez> yes
2256 [22:01:27] <helpmeplez> jessie
2257 [22:01:28] <jelly> dpkg, tell helpmeplez about basic apt troubleshooting
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2259 [22:01:35] <GJdan> jmcnaught: in case you care, I duplicated my wheezy to jessie upgrade in a vm with lots of snapshots and discovered that postgis did in fact cause enough problems that I can't use the pg_upgradecluster tool. I had to do a hard upgrade, so Take backups, drop those databases, perform upgrade, restore postgis databases into the 9.1 cluster, perform hard postgis upgrade as per postgis docs. Done
2260 [22:01:39] <AlexPortable> thanks
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2262 [22:01:47] <GJdan> saved me some grief by using the vm afterall :)
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2266 [22:02:34] <helpmeplez> replaced-url
2267 [22:02:40] <helpmeplez> before it gets deleted
2268 [22:02:43] <helpmeplez> that was my question
2269 [22:03:07] <jelly> helpmeplez: did you get a private message from dpkg bot?
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2272 [22:03:41] <helpmeplez> ok thank you, sorry just saw it
2273 [22:03:50] <helpmeplez> let me do all that & get back to you
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2275 [22:04:46] <jelly> helpmeplez: or, as it seems you haven't done an apt-get update in more than a year, you could rm /var/lib/apt/lists/*.* and do it again
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2278 [22:05:32] <helpmeplez> i can't do apt-get update
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2280 [22:06:04] <jelly> which is why I told you to do "rm /var/lib/apt/lists/*.*" and try again
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2283 [22:07:32] <jelly> if it still fails after that, it might be you've picked a broken mirror
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2285 [22:08:01] <jelly> or have network connectivity issues (like a man-in-the-middle proxy)
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2287 [22:09:13] <helpmeplez> apt-transport-https seems to be the issue
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2289 [22:09:26] <helpmeplez> should i still do rm /var/lib/apt/lists/
2290 [22:09:27] <helpmeplez> etc
2291 [22:09:48] <jelly> well... that's not the command I suggested
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2293 [22:09:54] <jelly> so don't do that.
2294 [22:10:03] <helpmeplez> *.*
2295 [22:10:49] <jelly> I don't get weird emoticons
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2297 [22:11:01] <jelly> ^_^
2298 [22:11:05] <helpmeplez> that was at the end of your command, that's what i left out lol
2299 [22:11:06] <AlexPortable> helpmeplez rm /var/lib/apt/lists deletes the folder, while rm /var/lib/apt/lists/*.* deletes all files (wildcard *) with all extensions (wildcard *)
2300 [22:11:16] <helpmeplez> yeah i know i didn't mean to leave out the *.*
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2302 [22:11:27] <jelly> AlexPortable: no, it only deletes files that have a dot in the name.
2303 [22:11:36] <AlexPortable> oh
2304 [22:11:46] <helpmeplez> i understand the use of wildcards
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2306 [22:12:05] <helpmeplez> just wanted to know if it might help anyway if i think the issue is with apt-transport-https
2307 [22:12:32] <helpmeplez> also should i run it sudo or only delete the ones i don't need permission for
2308 [22:12:47] <jelly> if there's an old partial list in place it might. Won't hurt in any case
2309 [22:13:06] <helpmeplez> thank you jelly, run it sudo or nah?
2310 [22:13:14] <jelly> run it as root
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2312 [22:13:44] <jelly> if you're not root already, then prepending sudo is one way to run it as root, yes
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2314 [22:14:09] <helpmeplez> su is how you get into root, right?
2315 [22:14:26] <jelly> both su and sudo can be used
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2317 [22:15:04] <helpmeplez> thank you, command work, sudo apt-get update returns same error, i'll follow the instructions on dpkg & get back to y'all
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2319 [22:15:26] <jelly> yeah, if it failed again best get all the info
2320 [22:15:59] <jelly> (or if you have a hunch about https, you could stop using it and go back to normal replaced-url
2321 [22:16:09] <jelly> (and see if that makes a difference)
2322 [22:16:51] <helpmeplez> i thnk so, because before it was stuck in 82% before i disabled dl.google.com from my repositories which is what i think caused the original issue, going by other posts online with the same error
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2325 [22:17:33] <helpmeplez> & those identified the issue as google's use of encryption
2326 [22:17:40] <jelly> some countries and compains interfere with https traffic
2327 [22:17:46] <jelly> companies*
2328 [22:18:03] <helpmeplez> i also have a new internet provider from the last time i installed anything so it could be that
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2331 [22:18:42] <helpmeplez> do i just take out the last s in /etc/apt/sources.list?
2332 [22:18:55] <helpmeplez> bc i tried that and it didn't work
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2334 [22:19:20] <helpmeplez> or how else would i go back to the normal http repos
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2336 [22:19:36] <jelly> what does your sources.list look like
2337 [22:19:37] <jelly> !paste
2338 [22:19:37] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: replaced-url
2339 [22:20:55] <helpmeplez> paste.debian.net/hidden/852b34b3
2340 [22:21:21] <helpmeplez> only the last is an https, changing that to http does nothing
2341 [22:21:26] <helpmeplez> it was originally https
2342 [22:22:21] <jelly> helpmeplez: also, that last one does not make any sense
2343 [22:22:27] <jelly> get rid of it.
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2345 [22:22:33] <helpmeplez> that's how it was originally?
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2347 [22:22:50] <helpmeplez> ok
2348 [22:22:55] <jelly> no, it wasn't
2349 [22:23:06] <jelly> originally it wasn't there at all
2350 [22:23:11] <helpmeplez> well i didn't go into it & change it... but that fixed the issue
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2353 [22:23:25] <helpmeplez> that's what i mean by originally, when i originally accessed the file
2354 [22:23:28] <helpmeplez> thanks a lot jelly
2355 [22:23:29] <helpmeplez> .pp jelly
2356 [22:23:42] <jelly> there's no repo on packages.debian.org site, that's just the web
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2359 [22:24:46] <helpmeplez> i'm not sure what added that line in there, i've never accessed that file manually before and it was there when i opened it, either way that solved the issue so thanks again
2360 [22:24:46] <jelly> (someone, you or a previous admin, added that manually)
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2362 [22:25:17] <helpmeplez> weird
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2368 [22:26:35] <jelly> could have been a drunk someone, because the line was rather nonsensical
2369 [22:27:55] <helpmeplez> do i need to worry about the files in /var/lib/apt/lists/ or will apt-get update have taken care of that
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2371 [22:28:26] <jelly> update is what downloads them
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2373 [22:28:41] <helpmeplez> ok, great
2374 [22:28:48] <jelly> if it works now, no need to mess with them manually
2375 [22:28:59] <helpmeplez> yes it is working
2376 [22:29:21] <richard_1975> Hello. I uninstalled d-bus and I did not know that wicd was dependent on it. What other wifi managers exist that do not depend on d-bus that you could recommend? I'd rather not use the CLI
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2383 [22:30:31] <richard_1975> This is somewhat of an urgent question as I don't have access to a LAN and can't access Wifi at this time so I am on a Public Library computer to download .debs and source files and the computer is timed access
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2386 [22:30:46] <Phage> Hey. Any idea why the server refuses the connection when a user uploads a lot of files through SFTP? It works fine with 1-5 files but when it reaches somewhere around 10+ files at once it drops.
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2391 [22:31:53] <jelly> Phage: one after the other, or in parallel?
2392 [22:31:53] <richard_1975> Can anyone help me? I heard of something called ubus that is supposed to be superior but it's not in apt
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2394 [22:32:04] <Jn_Kell> Hi all, is there a reason why the package Vim has the option "clientserver" disabled? (makes "vim --remote" work).
2395 [22:32:09] <jelly> richard_1975: superior to what?
2396 [22:32:20] <Phage> jelly: parallel. I think it's due to some connection limit. but I can't find any in sshd_config?
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2399 [22:32:41] <richard_1975> jelly: ubus is allegedly better than d-bus. I don't care though, I just want a wifi utility without having to re-install dbus
2400 [22:33:01] <jelly> richard_1975: which debian release?
2401 [22:33:28] <richard_1975> I am using a fork of debian based on Jessie. Their channel is currently dead but what I'm asking isn't system-dependent
2402 [22:33:42] <richard_1975> I just want to know of WiFi utilities not requiring dbus as a dependency
2403 [22:33:42] <jelly> richard_1975: install dbus again, that's the simplest thing to do
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2408 [22:36:04] <jelly> richard_1975: or set up wpa_supplicant manually or with ifupdown (/etc/network/interfaces), read zless /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/README.Debian.gz
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2414 [22:37:48] <jelly> can't support derivatives in here as it's their nature to change things, and we can't tell what changes they've done
2415 [22:38:17] <jelly> richard_1975: which derivative is this btw?
2416 [22:38:32] <richard_1975> Devuan
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2421 [22:39:19] <jelly> they have somewhat intrusive changes in dependencies
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2425 [22:40:40] <jelly> richard_1975: I don't see you've asked in #debianfork recently, so try there.
2426 [22:40:55] <richard_1975> #devuan became active again
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2428 [22:41:16] <jelly> #devuan is mostly for development as I understand it
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2437 [22:45:07] <nuka-cola> I wonder why people dont tell the important information at the very beginning
2438 [22:45:39] <nuka-cola> like: hello, I'm not running debian but I have an issue with…
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2456 [22:56:46] <AlexPortable> Where do I set which services start on boot?
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2464 [23:01:16] <petn-randall> AlexPortable: on jessie with systemd?
2465 [23:01:47] <AlexPortable> or without
2466 [23:01:49] <AlexPortable> is there a difference?
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2471 [23:03:46] <petn-randall> AlexPortable: yes
2472 [23:03:52] <AlexPortable> then for both
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2477 [23:05:42] <petn-randall> AlexPortable: with systemd it's "systemctl enable/disable <servicename>', with sysv init you add or remove sylinks in /etc/rc2.d/ (or whatever other runlevel you set as default).
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2480 [23:08:56] <AlexPortable> What's the rmnologin for?
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2485 [23:10:09] <jelly> !nologin
2486 [23:10:09] <dpkg> from memory, nologin is a replacement shell (man 8 nologin) for user accounts that have been disabled, or a method (man 5 nologin) to prevent all non-root users from logging into a system.
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2488 [23:10:41] <jelly> rmnologin wipes the state of the latter thing
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2493 [23:12:40] <AlexPortable> Does plymouth has any usage on a server?
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2500 [23:15:44] <jelly> do you care about pretty bootup screens on a server
2501 [23:15:52] <AlexPortable> No
2502 [23:15:59] <jelly> there's your answer
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2505 [23:16:53] <AlexPortable> replaced-url
2506 [23:17:02] <AlexPortable> Why does it wants to remove all this when i just want to remove plymouth
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2514 [23:20:41] <AlexPortable> Any way I can get a list of installed packages and compare them with the default installation? I want to know what was installed over the years
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2516 [23:21:48] <jelly> AlexPortable: that system looks like it has gnome and xfce installed, it's not a mere server
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2518 [23:22:32] <jelly> ,v plymouth-theme-ubuntu-text
2519 [23:22:33] <judd> No package named 'plymouth-theme-ubuntu-text' was found in amd64.
2520 [23:22:42] <jelly> AlexPortable: are you sure this is a debian install?
2521 [23:22:57] <AlexPortable> eh
2522 [23:23:00] <AlexPortable> nope, thanks
2523 [23:23:16] <AlexPortable> wrong system
2524 [23:23:25] <AlexPortable> on the right system it wansts to remove mountall plymouth and upstart
2525 [23:23:43] <jelly> having upstart installed on Debian is also atypical
2526 [23:24:15] <jelly> are you sure the "right system" is Debian? :-)
2527 [23:24:18] <AlexPortable> yes
2528 [23:24:46] <jelly> AlexPortable: how the hell did you manage to get upstart installed
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2530 [23:24:58] <AlexPortable> wish i knew
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2532 [23:25:05] <missmbob> pastebin lsb_release -a
2533 [23:25:06] <AlexPortable> I don't manage the system
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2535 [23:25:20] <AlexPortable> wheezy
2536 [23:25:41] <missmbob> if you dont manage it, what are you doing messing with it?
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2538 [23:25:45] <jelly> AlexPortable: is it a VPS
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2540 [23:25:53] <AlexPortable> jelly: I think yes
2541 [23:25:59] <jelly> AlexPortable: what does "uname -a" say
2542 [23:26:09] <AlexPortable> 7.11 wheezy
2543 [23:26:19] <AlexPortable> erm wait
2544 [23:26:23] <SynrG> ,v upstart
2545 [23:26:24] <judd> Package: upstart on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.6.1-1; jessie: 1.11-5
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2547 [23:27:12] <AlexPortable> well doesn't matter
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2549 [23:27:27] <jelly> AlexPortable: what. does. `uname -a`. say.
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2551 [23:28:49] <jelly> I've only seen users here with some openvz/virtuozzo based images from some providers keep upstart as init
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2566 [23:36:09] <jelly> AlexPortable: if it has a "stab" in the kernel build, it's an openvz kernel and your system is an openvz container. Don't mess with its boot sequence if you want it to boot properly.
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2570 [23:36:36] <jelly> iotw, if it has upstart, your provider probably had a good reason to use it
2571 [23:36:58] <missmbob> and look into getting a real vps provider
2572 [23:37:13] <AlexPortable> real?
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2574 [23:37:37] <missmbob> if you're not going to answer questions neither am i
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2607 [23:49:44] <AlexLikeRock> hi guys
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2609 [23:49:50] <AlexLikeRock> i have a BUG
2610 [23:50:04] <AlexLikeRock> whit "video GAME CONTROLER"
2611 [23:50:23] <AlexLikeRock> where report bug , hir at debian or "Kernel.org " ?
2612 [23:51:25] <jelly> AlexLikeRock: what kind of bug
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2615 [23:51:36] <jelly> !ask
2616 [23:51:37] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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2618 [23:51:46] <jelly> !smart questions
2619 [23:51:47] <dpkg> Go here to find out how to ask intelligent questions: replaced-url
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2621 [23:52:44] <jelly> AlexLikeRock: perhaps one that lets you run your own (or the distro) kernel
2622 [23:52:55] <jelly> AlexPortable: perhaps one that lets you run your own (or the distro) kernel
2623 [23:52:58] <jelly> sorry.
2624 [23:53:20] <jelly> too many Alexes.
2625 [23:53:23] <nuka-cola> hehe
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2627 [23:53:45] <AlexLikeRock> the ANALOGICS move 2 AXIS same time when move to one way , exam: AXIS 0 = -32767 and AXIS 2 = -32767
2628 [23:54:00] <AlexLikeRock> must move only ONE
2629 [23:54:04] <AlexLikeRock> AXIS 0 = -32767
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2635 [23:56:47] <AlexLikeRock> AXIS 2 its for a "JOYPAD", not ANALOGIC
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2637 [23:57:35] <r7st> at0m: aplay -l does show my card, and nothing is muted in also
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2639 [23:57:44] <r7st> alsa*. headphones work fine
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2642 [23:58:21] <AlexLikeRock> install qasmixer , and pull up al VOLUMENs r7st
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