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22 [00:10:28] <alekz> Is someone running kernel 4.10 on testing?
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25 [00:11:11] <missmbob> stretch only has 4.9
26 [00:11:27] <nkuttler> ,kernels
27 [00:11:28] <judd> Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.11.0-trunk-686 (4.11-1~exp2); sid: 4.9.0-3-686 (4.9.25-1); stretch: 4.9.0-3-686 (4.9.25-1); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.2-686-pae (4.9.18-1~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.43-2); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.88-1)
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29 [00:11:52] <alekz> oh thanks judd, I thought experimental had a 4.10 branch available
30 [00:12:23] <missmbob> if you want experimental anything go to #debian-next on oftc network
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32 [00:13:01] <alekz> and the thank was for nkuttler, not judd :P
33 [00:13:23] <alekz> I know missmbob, was just a quick question
34 [00:13:41] <disi> what does this mean?
35 [00:13:42] <disi> kernel:[276080.117221] unregister_netdevice: waiting for lo to become free. Usage count = 1
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37 [00:14:24] <missmbob> you have a process using loopback
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41 [00:14:52] <disi> missmbob: could this result from an unclean shutdown of docker>
42 [00:14:54] <disi> ?*
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44 [00:15:09] <disi> (not the daemon, just a docker-compose run)
45 [00:15:13] <missmbob> my guess is yes. i know nothing of docker
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70 [00:26:04] <OldParr> kvm kernel module does not starts replaced-url
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89 [00:38:21] <tfgbd_znc> Where do I get kernel headers for 3.10.20-x86_64?
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92 [00:42:08] <nkuttler> tfgbd_znc: where did you get the kernel?
93 [00:42:34] <nkuttler> tfgbd_znc: just try apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r`
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101 [00:46:12] <tfgbd_znc> the kernel came with my Asus device
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103 [00:47:27] <tfgbd_znc> I downloaded the kernel source from their website but I don't know where the headers could be
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109 [00:52:15] <tfgbd_znc> where do the headers come from?
110 [00:52:31] <tfgbd_znc> do I need to compile a kernel to get them?
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113 [00:53:19] <OldParr> abrotman: when you install qemu-kvm the kvm kernel module must starts automatically every time i boot?
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118 [00:55:54] <simpledat> How can I see what DISTRIBUTION I have?
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120 [00:56:49] <missmbob> lsb_release -a
121 [00:56:51] <OldParr> simpledat: in the boot time the first screen tipycally show your distro name
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123 [00:57:50] <OldParr> if your distro is debian the first screen will tipically show the debian logo
124 [00:57:59] <simpledat> OldParr: I use Xubuntu. But I dont know if its jessie or not?
125 [00:58:05] <missmbob> !ubuntu
126 [00:58:05] <dpkg> Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>.
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128 [00:58:12] <missmbob> simpledat: you're in the wrong place
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131 [01:00:23] <OldParr> simpledat: install debian debian is better, debian keep the linux free for humanity
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135 [01:01:57] <simpledat> OldParr: What do you mean?
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152 [01:07:47] <nine_milli> i dont always use linux, but when i do i prefer debian
153 [01:07:55] <nine_milli> stay nerdy my friends
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157 [01:09:18] <le_pig> What's the apt equivalent to "apt-cache policy"?
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161 [01:10:18] <missmbob> man apt. apt policy
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163 [01:11:35] <le_pig> Weird, it's not in the man file, but that's totally it. Thanks!
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175 [01:16:19] <OldParr> simpledat: debian is capable of making a sacrifice on its functionality only for showing respect to the free software philosophy, other distros are allways triying to enchant you with extra features that may come with unfair philosophy included, debian is the most pure linux
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198 [01:29:24] <SuperTramp83> OldParr, if only you had finished with *GNUxino in place of 'kernel'.. Still +1 :P
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222 [01:42:07] <OldParr> SuperTramp83: english is not my native language sometimes i take some time to understand expressions like that,
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225 [01:43:48] <OldParr> abrotman: when you install qemu-kvm the kvm kernel module must starts automatically every time i boot?
226 [01:44:11] <SuperTramp83> OldParr, just pointing out you were celebrating free software, but then you call the OS 'linux' and not 'GNU/linux'...
227 [01:44:27] <OldParr> ok..........ja ja
228 [01:44:31] <SuperTramp83> :
229 [01:44:34] <SuperTramp83> :)
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231 [01:45:44] <OldParr> linux is the kernel
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233 [01:46:09] <OldParr> el nucleo como decimos en español
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236 [01:47:56] <OldParr> is interesting that linux is not an operative system but a kernel name
237 [01:48:18] <OldParr> GNU/linux is the operative system
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240 [01:50:24] <OldParr> debian is the future of computers in a world where the knowledge is shared with our human or alien race (i mean good aliens)
241 [01:50:43] <OldParr> bad aliens are really a problem
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245 [01:52:01] <SuperTramp83> OldParr, we have debian-offtopic for general chat. 'night!
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250 [01:55:15] <OldParr> when you install qemu-kvm the kvm kernel module must starts automatically every time i boot?ç
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294 [02:23:58] <bulkin23> Hi, I'm running debian stable and whenever I login to my gnome3 environment there's a sound coming from a place I don't know
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297 [02:24:43] <bulkin23> is there any way to get rid of this sound? it's really annoying and disruptive (think booting the laptop in an auditorium)
298 [02:24:56] <bulkin23> but I have no clue where it's coming from : (
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310 [02:29:30] <bulkin23> anyone?
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312 [02:29:47] <dvs> Sorry, I don't use gname
313 [02:29:50] <dvs> gnome
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316 [02:32:43] <bodeezl> bulkin23
317 [02:32:59] <bodeezl> have you looked in any sound settings?
318 [02:33:07] <bodeezl> what kind of noise are you talking about
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321 [02:34:12] <bulkin23> I could call it weird drumming? not like in ubuntu's default startup though
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326 [02:36:07] <bulkin23> yeah bodeezl I really can't find anything
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363 [03:00:42] <dirac1> Help i'm connecting to a remote server via ssh but the connection is really slow..
364 [03:00:57] <dirac1> :/ The server is in FL, and i'm not so far from there.
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413 [03:32:32] <OldParr> when you install qemu-kvm the kvm kernel module must starts automatically every time i boot
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420 [03:41:53] <velix> Something is wrong with the name here: replaced-url
421 [03:42:03] <velix> "parallel-scp — parallel process kill program"? :)
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458 [04:08:21] <hunkan> does this sources list work? replaced-url
459 [04:08:44] <hunkan> if not, what do I change? I'm not sure about the stable-backports and the like
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461 [04:09:15] <missmbob> you should always use codenames, not status
462 [04:09:57] <missmbob> !jessie sources.list
463 [04:09:57] <dpkg> A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 8 "Jessie" has three lines: "deb replaced-url
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465 [04:10:51] <missmbob> !jessie-backports
466 [04:10:51] <dpkg> Some packages intended for Stretch (Debian 9) but recompiled for use with "Jessie" (8.x) can be found in the "jessie-backports" repository. See replaced-url
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468 [04:11:53] <hunkan> missmbob: is this page wrong then? replaced-url
469 [04:13:20] <missmbob> that tells you to use jessie, not stable. the problem is when a move happens, testing to stable, etc, and you accidently upgrade. doing that without reading the release notes can be disasterous
470 [04:13:49] <missmbob> so you follow the codename and manually switch when you want to upgrade
471 [04:14:24] <hunkan> disasterous? what could possibly go wrong?
472 [04:14:45] <missmbob> go read old release notes
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529 [04:50:18] <frankie___> i'm sorry if this has nothing to do with debian, but can a faulty ethernet cable works?
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532 [04:51:47] <joze> maybe
533 [04:53:13] <frankie___> i made my own xover and straight-through but my lecturer tested it using the "tester" and he said it failed
534 [04:53:29] <frankie___> the problem is, it works fine
535 [04:53:59] <frankie___> i can ping from and to other hosts
536 [04:54:01] <nine_milli> any gaming junkies here?
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538 [04:54:37] <joze> the lecturer sells expensive crossover cables
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540 [04:55:30] <frankie___> joze: not likely. it was an assessment and i failed miserably with 0 marks
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543 [04:56:34] <frankie___> joze: i was devestated until i tested the cable myself and it happens that they works like charms
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588 [05:43:25] <pacha> anyone here? I want to try i3 (wm), using xfce4. I did sudo update-alternatives --config x-window-manager, using nodm as display manager. Rebooted and still booting to xfce, could someone help me out please?
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590 [05:43:35] <pacha> Using Debian Stretch
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596 [05:51:07] <cef> Best off asking Debian Stretch stuff in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net
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656 [07:19:02] <synaptickaos> does fixing chrome fonts on debian still require making the file like I see on my google search?
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679 [07:35:38] <otyugh_II> I've a funny anecdote
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682 [07:37:14] <otyugh_II> I wanted to flash a flash drive with a ISO. I flashed my main debian system. On 100GO data, the 1 first GO is an ISO. Can I recover anything from this awful screwup ? Of course backup comes too late. Is there only photorec to call for or testdisk can still recover some scrap with their name ?
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685 [07:38:06] <otyugh_II> that's the moment you realize you only have one copy of your GPG keys for instance :x
686 [07:38:22] <otyugh_II> Such a hero.
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688 [07:39:14] <otyugh_II> to my knowledge, having destroyed the table partition, I can't recover anything but some nameless files
689 [07:39:41] <otyugh_II> just looking for confirmation
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739 [08:34:11] <en01> I think Kali Linux has the best support off tops for hacking related software.
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751 [08:41:27] <yokisuci> hm
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756 [08:44:42] <en01> Hey
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787 [09:08:31] <solrize> otyugh_II, what file system? don't multiple copies of the super block get written across ext*'s? is the i-list still in the middle of the drive like for hdd's? you might be able to get most of the files out using that stuff
788 [09:08:43] <otyugh_II> ext4
789 [09:09:02] <solrize> i'd google around for recovery tools, people must have dealt with this before
790 [09:09:20] <otyugh_II> yeah tried this with testdisk
791 [09:09:44] <otyugh_II> had a bunch of superblocks but couldn't recover anything :x
792 [09:10:48] <otyugh_II> "No file found, filesystem may be damaged."
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798 [09:13:40] <dob1> hi, stop/restarting a service using systemctl is the same of what happened at boot right? because i have a service that at boot fails but stop/restaring it it starts with no problems
799 [09:14:03] <dob1> I don't know how to find the problem
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840 [09:54:47] <foul_owl> What is the most correct way to install ruby 2.2 on Debian? I need 2.2 for redmine to work. Thanks!
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843 [09:55:06] <foul_owl> I'm guessing I probably shouldn't add some random source to my sources.list
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846 [09:56:03] <foul_owl> I'm thinking rbenv might be the answer
847 [09:56:10] <themill> foul_owl: ruby 2.2 isn't anywhere in debian. ruby2.3 is in stretch though
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849 [09:56:28] <foul_owl> I realize it isn't included with Debian at this time
850 [09:56:33] <foul_owl> I was thinking maybe backports might have it?
851 [09:56:48] <foul_owl> Basically just looking for recommendations :) Thanks!
852 [09:57:03] <themill> I think "isn't anywhere in debian" covers backports ;)
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1037 [12:02:31] <jolt> OldParr: I have no idea what you did, but when I followed the instructions on the debian wiki (apt install qemu-kvm libvirt-bin) it worked right out of the box
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1040 [12:03:56] <jolt> OldParr: Have you enabled vt-x or whatever it is called in bios?
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1075 [12:32:20] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
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1077 [12:36:19] <OldParr> jolt: my award bios says nothing about that
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1079 [12:36:45] <OldParr> jolt: the award bios seems to lack of that setting
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1085 [12:40:15] <Kaylas> hi, i have issue with pulseaudio, i've plugged in the microfone but sound not working
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1087 [12:40:36] <Kaylas> i try to set it via pavucontrol but not work
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1096 [12:43:47] <qdb> hello. i have runned upgrade and login and passwd have been upgraded to 1:4.2-3+deb8u4 . i have looked at debian.org but i do not see here it in list of security upgrades. but i upgraded only several days ago, so this is fresh and should be there. then i looked at replaced-url
1097 [12:43:49] <qdb> -shadow/shadow.git/ and there the last version is not visible. so why it is not visible in debian.org and in the source changes view?
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1099 [12:44:20] <OldParr> jolt: my award bios says nothing about that
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1102 [12:46:37] <qdb> (people here said that or something like i should not trust the websites more than the keys used for package upgrades , but that is another question, and maybe i want to read some details about the upgrade)
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1105 [12:47:41] <qdb> have you also got recently this upgrade of login and passwd?
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1108 [12:48:46] <qdb> i asked similar question 1-2 months ago, and got some helpful links , i should read logs, or i think they are even at the topic
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1110 [12:49:25] <qdb> edit: several months ago
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1113 [12:50:12] <qdb> maybe even i looked at wrong debian version page
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1116 [12:51:19] <Walakea> my acpi-listen doesn't listen to Fn + F5 / F6; (jessie)
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1119 [12:52:06] <qdb> it was ok - 8 - jessie
1120 [12:52:14] <Walakea> can this be fixed by changing grub settings?
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1128 [12:58:13] <qdb> i have remembered that the info on sites can be updated later
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1131 [12:59:03] <qdb> but i am not sure , it is strange
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1135 [13:01:42] <qdb> i have found it from replaced-url
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1138 [13:03:25] <Kaylas> any tips for me?
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1237 [14:05:24] <julnik> Hi, I'm getting the "cannot resize to 104959 extents as later ones are allocated." error message when trying this: "pvresize --setphysicalvolumesize 410G /dev/mapper/cryptdisk" ; I found a solution here ( replaced-url
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1239 [14:05:49] <julnik> help would be very ver very much appreciated : )
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1242 [14:08:10] <julnik> so my question is: which numbers (yyy-zzz) should be in this command for me?: pvmove --alloc anywhere /dev/mapper/cryptdisk:yyy-zzz
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1245 [14:09:57] <Voldenet> julnik: I'm not an expert on lvm, but "/dev/sda5:yyy-zzz" seems like a one identifier
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1247 [14:11:28] <Voldenet> so probably "pvmove --alloc anywhere /dev/mapper/cryptdisk:176640-178660" would work, but read the manpage for pvmove before you do this
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1258 [14:20:30] <julnik> Voldenet: nothing of great help on the manpage, I asked because one of my zzz values says 2021 as you can see on the pastebin
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1265 [14:22:59] <Voldenet> well that's because the guy writing manual probably had different columns in the output
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1271 [14:25:23] <frostschutz> pvmove should work as voldenet suggested
1272 [14:25:35] <julnik> thanks
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1274 [14:27:25] <frostschutz> if you're shrinking an encrypted partition, keep in mind LUKS headers and such also need some space... so if you shrink the partition to 410G sharp the PV needs to be a few megs smaller
1275 [14:28:09] <frostschutz> also don't confuse GB/GiB here... you probably know that but just in case ;)
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1291 [14:37:42] <TwistedFate> is linux-image-4.11.0-trunk-amd64 - Linux 4.11 for 64-bit PCs latest 64bit kernel for PC in debian (experimental)?
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1300 [14:41:08] <at0m> ,v linux-image-amd64
1301 [14:41:09] <judd> Package: linux-image-amd64 on amd64 -- wheezy: 3.2+46; wheezy-backports: 3.16+63~bpo70+1; jessie: 3.16+63; jessie-backports: 4.9+79~bpo8+1; sid: 4.9+80; stretch: 4.9+80
1302 [14:41:41] <tomreyn> it'll be a mainline snapshot for the amd64 architecture
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1305 [14:42:56] <tomreyn> replaced-url
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1317 [14:47:03] <cef> tomreyn: hrm.. not 4.11.1 tho.. :/
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1328 [14:56:00] <tomreyn> cef: right, you may need to use a third party repository or roll your own then
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1361 [15:18:50] <Kaylas> hi, i have an issue with jessie, it can't detect external microphone, how i can enable it?
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1364 [15:19:36] <dontknow> possibly there is no driver for it
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1366 [15:20:28] <Kaylas> dontknow the speak work properly
1367 [15:20:37] <Kaylas> and internal mic too
1368 [15:20:42] <at0m> Kaylas: does it show in arecord -l ?
1369 [15:20:58] <Kaylas> card 1: PCH [HDA Intel PCH], device 0: ALC3229 Analog [ALC3229 Analog]
1370 [15:20:58] <Kaylas> Subdevices: 0/1
1371 [15:20:59] <Kaylas> Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
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1375 [15:22:48] <denisephat> is the user in the 'audio' group?
1376 [15:22:50] <at0m> then, in alsamixer's recording panel, is it selected?
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1378 [15:23:16] <Kaylas> denisephat yes
1379 [15:23:26] <oobe> Hi Im running an older debian 7.2 wheezy is there anyway I can upgrade the browsers I cant get a lot of web applications to work and I already upgraded the mozilla and chrome browsers to most recent is there a backport repository?
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1382 [15:24:08] <at0m> dpkg: tell oobe about wheezy backports
1383 [15:24:40] <Kaylas> at0m replaced-url
1384 [15:24:59] <oobe> ty at0m
1385 [15:25:11] <missmbob> but not, not for browsers
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1387 [15:25:30] <oobe> they dont have backports for browsers?
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1390 [15:26:20] <missmbob> you should upgrade to jessie. then you can use mozilla.debian.net
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1392 [15:26:56] <oobe> Yea your correct
1393 [15:27:01] <oobe> I know what I should do lol
1394 [15:27:22] <dontknow> there is no support for firefox release on mozilla.debian.net anymore
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1396 [15:27:35] <dontknow> for jessie
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1398 [15:28:15] <dontknow> because newer versions require rust, and there is no suck package for jessie
1399 [15:28:27] <dontknow> such*
1400 [15:28:43] <Kaylas> at0m any tips about it?
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1402 [15:30:01] <at0m> Kaylas: in the playback panel, you now make the mic go out to master. in the record panel, i do not see mic (unless 2 internal ones). can you scroll to the right?
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1404 [15:30:40] <at0m> in the record panel part, you should select mic as capture port to send it to programs
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1406 [15:30:46] <at0m> if there's a mic eh
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1409 [15:32:34] <Kaylas> at0m replaced-url
1410 [15:32:51] <Kaylas> this is "full" panel of playback, no other one
1411 [15:33:09] <Kaylas> the external mic is not usb, it use microphone jack
1412 [15:33:15] <julnik> I'm trying to recover the logical volume buffer after resizing my lvm on luks partition, the root filesystem should be a bit smaller (around 1gb) than the underlying logical volume, this is my output: replaced-url
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1416 [15:34:10] <julnik> not sure if this is normal output or not, or if I should abort or not, I'm new to resizing lvm
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1418 [15:34:31] <Kaylas> julnik you need to use resize2fs
1419 [15:35:01] <Kaylas> replaced-url
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1421 [15:35:14] <julnik> Kaylas: don't I need to verify that the filesystem is clean first?
1422 [15:35:36] <Kaylas> before resize yes
1423 [15:35:47] <julnik> because that's what I'm trying to do here and that's my output
1424 [15:35:48] <Kaylas> and after for check it
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1427 [15:36:49] <julnik> Kaylas: I just resized the partition after doing everything needed to resize everything
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1429 [15:37:09] <julnik> and I'm trying to check that the filesystem is clean, before I resize it, but that is my output
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1431 [15:37:31] <julnik> not sure if this is normal, if I should abort or not, etc
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1433 [15:37:37] <Kaylas> post lvdisplay
1434 [15:38:28] <at0m> Kaylas: that's just the playback panel, i'm assuming you want the record panel
1435 [15:38:38] <at0m> press F4
1436 [15:39:27] <julnik> Kaylas: replaced-url
1437 [15:39:31] <Kaylas> at0m replaced-url
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1439 [15:40:06] <Kaylas> julnik you are in livecd right?
1440 [15:40:12] <julnik> yes
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1442 [15:40:30] <at0m> Kaylas: looks like it doesn't have (or see?) an external mic
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1447 [15:42:36] <Kaylas> at0m i can show it with "pavucontrol" replaced-url
1448 [15:43:18] <julnik> Kaylas: I read that the output is normal
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1451 [15:44:01] <Kaylas> julnik mmh :\
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1453 [15:44:27] <Kaylas> i'm not sure about that
1454 [15:45:20] <at0m> Kaylas: if pavucontrol show it, but not alsamixer, then i do not know..
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1458 [15:46:21] <at0m> Kaylas: do you have more than one card? in alsamixer, F6 to select card
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1460 [15:47:39] <Kaylas> at0m yes replaced-url
1461 [15:47:49] <Kaylas> the default is PCH
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1465 [15:48:06] <at0m> yea the HDMI doesn't have inputs
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1469 [15:50:23] <Kaylas> at0m exactly
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1484 [15:58:47] <Kaylas> i don't know why it don't work :\
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1493 [16:03:54] <G__81> hi is there a way to download debian testing using torrents right now or would i have to wait till it becomes stable ?
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1495 [16:05:23] <Brigo> G__81, It has to be with torrents?
1496 [16:06:07] <r3> this might be tangental to ask in here, but I am curious as to a solution: Say I've 7 debian servers - right now I've a putty window open to each. That's rather cluttered and takes up most of my 2nd monitor. Is there something else that could be used instead to keep an eye on them, perhaps switching from one to the next every few seconds so that I can see the 'screen' I've set up on each?
1497 [16:06:07] <r3> I know that there are some large-scale alert and monitoring solutions out there, but I'm interested in something much smaller? I guess I'm not sure what is commonly used?
1498 [16:06:11] <G__81> Brigo: sorry didnt get you
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1502 [16:06:54] <G__81> Brigo: my question was do torrents get generated only for the stable builds or even for testing coz i am not able to find the torrents for "testing"
1503 [16:07:04] <Brigo> r3, maybe you are talking about screen (an application)
1504 [16:07:33] <Brigo> G__81, i think they get generated only for stable, because testing changes too much.
1505 [16:08:25] <G__81> oh ok thanks Brigo
1506 [16:08:34] <G__81> Brigo: in this where do i find the live cd iso replaced-url
1507 [16:08:35] <r3> Brigo: I've got screen running on each, so maybe something like a 'master' screen that would allow me to watch each child screen?
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1510 [16:10:02] <r3> G__81: I think the live cd iso are here: replaced-url
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1512 [16:10:16] <Brigo> r3, sorry, don't know.
1513 [16:10:30] <G__81> Brigo: but those are the stable ones for testing where do i fetch them ?
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1523 [16:19:21] <Kaylas> anyone?
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1541 [16:31:17] <julnik> Kaylas: apparently the error message wasn't normal and I can't login to my debian now hmm
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1543 [16:31:35] <julnik> getting lvm errors when I enter my crypt password
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1545 [16:31:59] <Kaylas> nice lol
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1548 [16:32:46] <julnik> any idea what my options are now?
1549 [16:33:24] <julnik> I can still unlock it, and see that there's an lvm2 partition
1550 [16:33:32] <julnik> so should be fixableù
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1554 [16:35:31] <julnik> it cannot detect my root however
1555 [16:35:36] <julnik> hm
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1558 [16:36:25] <Kaylas> do you use fsck forced?
1559 [16:36:36] <julnik> no
1560 [16:37:34] <julnik> oh wait, yeah, I did
1561 [16:38:38] <julnik> I did fsck -f /dev/hostname/root but that's not there anymore
1562 [16:39:20] <Kaylas> and the volume is crypted right?
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1564 [16:39:30] <julnik> yes but I can still unlock i
1565 [16:39:31] <julnik> it*
1566 [16:39:40] <julnik> should I testdisk it?
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1569 [16:41:23] <Kaylas> i guess fsck broke partition info :\
1570 [16:41:35] <Kaylas> wait anyone to confirm it
1571 [16:41:38] <johnkeates> i guess it got... fsck'ed up
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1573 [16:41:52] <julnik> *drums*
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1575 [16:42:35] <julnik> I presume there's no recovery from this?
1576 [16:42:50] <johnkeates> I'm not sure what's what, i haven't read the story
1577 [16:43:15] <johnkeates> but if it is what i think it is: LUKS+LVM2+EXT4 and you got past LUKS, than maybe it is recoverable
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1580 [16:43:40] <julnik> that's exactly what's going on.
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1582 [16:43:50] <johnkeates> okay, how badly do you need your data back?
1583 [16:43:55] <julnik> really badly
1584 [16:44:08] <johnkeates> do this: make a DD image of the LUKS-decrypted disk
1585 [16:44:16] <johnkeates> also make a DD image of the LUKS-encrypted disk
1586 [16:44:31] <johnkeates> then, on that DD image of luks-decrpted: run scalpel
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1588 [16:44:55] <johnkeates> that will get you all recognisable data
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1590 [16:45:27] <johnkeates> if LVM isn't fixable, but the EXT3/4 structures are intact, running testdisk on the LUSK-decrypted image will get you the EXT4 FS back in image form in some cases
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1592 [16:45:51] <johnkeates> but in all cases: make big fat DD images first, since with luks, a few bitflips are enough to make the whole thing unusable
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1594 [16:46:02] <johnkeates> which is how it's intended, but it also sucks for data recovery
1595 [16:46:32] <johnkeates> also, any work you do in-place will most likely fail on first try and ruin your data forever
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1598 [16:46:40] <johnkeates> so always work on copies
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1600 [16:46:57] <julnik> boy, I love technology.
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1602 [16:47:03] <johnkeates> <3
1603 [16:47:16] <johnkeates> but remember, it was you that told fsck to force that stuff
1604 [16:47:17] <johnkeates> :p
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1608 [16:48:16] <julnik> all I wanted was my bufferspace back and this is the price I pay for it
1609 [16:48:20] <julnik> hilarious
1610 [16:48:53] <johnkeates> i bet you would really like it if you could just return that buffer space and get reimbursed.
1611 [16:49:07] * johnkeates puts some more salt in those papercuts
1612 [16:49:35] <julnik> I think it's time to walk away and make a nice cuppa tea
1613 [16:49:41] <johnkeates> it is
1614 [16:49:50] <johnkeates> but, think of this as a learning investment
1615 [16:49:55] <johnkeates> you will come our stronger
1616 [16:49:59] <johnkeates> and slightly more depressed
1617 [16:50:09] <johnkeates> maybe put some sugar in that tea.
1618 [16:50:21] <julnik> and some crack
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1620 [16:50:25] <johnkeates> yeah
1621 [16:50:29] <johnkeates> you deserve it
1622 [16:50:36] <johnkeates> but not too much, still gotta get that data back
1623 [16:50:46] <johnkeates> maybe micro-dose some LSD
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1638 [16:56:17] <Kaylas> Johann do you have any tips for my issue?
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1645 [17:02:41] <Kaylas> ups
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1647 [17:03:10] <julnik> Kaylas: what's the summary of your issue?
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1650 [17:03:57] <Kaylas> julnik sure, the external mic (via jack) not work on jessie
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1653 [17:05:28] <julnik> you can detect it but it doesn't work when it says it should?
1654 [17:05:34] <julnik> or you can't detect it?
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1663 [17:07:26] <Kaylas> pavucontrol detect it but i can't listen my voice
1664 [17:07:41] <Kaylas> using teamspeak (in auto-test) for example
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1675 [17:13:10] <werbdhsu> Hey guys what is user 'urmyn'?
1676 [17:14:22] <werbdhsu> hellow?
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1695 [17:22:09] <Mercosity> Hi there, a linux newb here.. I'm trying to find a version that will run reasonably easily on an old server. An HP ML370 G3 - Dual Core Xeon 2.8 GHZ 533 FSB with a Rage 128mb embedded graphics chip. Can anyone give me some advice please.
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1702 [17:23:40] <SwedeMike> Mercosity: use the latest debian stable. I'll run great on that.
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1704 [17:25:13] <Mercosity> SwedeMike, thx for that what version is that? been trying Debian 8.0 but no go so far.
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1707 [17:25:50] <SwedeMike> Mercosity: what problem are you having?
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1710 [17:26:15] <SwedeMike> because debian 8.x is the latest stable and I don't see why that wouldn't run properly.
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1722 [17:31:53] <Mercosity> SwedeMike, sry massive hailstorm here. Loading it at the moment and said that tignon.bin (or something like that) was missing I've continued however to see if I can get something up and running.
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1725 [17:35:07] <Mercosity> SwedeMike, It's on select and install sw at moment and seems to be retrieving files.
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1727 [17:36:00] <Mercosity> SwedeMike, I'll stick at it and come back when it's completed.
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1757 [17:53:30] <spacebug^> Trying to install dbus on debian in an LXC, it hangs when trying to configure the package. Any help?
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1768 [17:56:42] <AndreySuchev> htttp://anon.fm
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1779 [18:01:54] <SuperTramp83> AndreySuchev, I believe the correct link is httttp://anon.fm
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1830 [18:32:26] <rafalcpp> It always amazes me how Debian manages to deliver so bugged simple default appliations
1831 [18:32:37] <rafalcpp> like Konsole switching away/losing focus randomly
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1846 [18:38:14] <aerth> what is this DEP-11 64x64 Icons [6,834 kb] during apt-get update ?
1847 [18:38:14] <JJScrawls> So does anyone know of a good background cycling program? One that I could set to cycle through my Wallpaper folder?
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1852 [18:40:29] <aerth> JJScrawls: doesn't the WM do that ? such as XFCE or WindowMaker
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1912 [19:11:40] <Pegasus_RPG> Hello. I just upgraded a Web server to Jessie and now Apache won't start because all of the variables like ${APACHE_LOG_DIR} are not defined. /etc/default/apache2 doesn't define them, so aren't there hard-coded defaults it should be using? Other Apache Web servers of mine didn't have this problem when I upgraded them.
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1917 [19:17:10] <Pegasus_RPG> Okay, I just found /etc/apache2/envvars but it seems like it's not being sourced correctly.
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1923 [19:19:15] <Pegasus_RPG> How can I find out what's going wrong? /etc/init.d/apache2 is identical to that on another Web server that is working properly.
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1939 [19:26:23] <Pegasus_RPG> actually, the first error is "no listening sockets available, shutting down" but the port specified in my config is not in use according to netstat
1940 [19:26:30] <jhutchins> Pegasus_RPG: I think wheezy to jessie is 2.2 to 2.4 and there are syntax changes.
1941 [19:27:04] <Pegasus_RPG> jhutchins: right, and I expect apache2 to complain about those so I know what to fix but I'm stuck before that
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1948 [19:31:34] <Pegasus_RPG> Okay, it refuses to start unless I listen on ports 80 and 443 too. But I don't want to!
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1953 [19:33:05] <jhutchins> Pegasus_RPG: Sounds like you have conflicting config files.
1954 [19:34:00] <Pegasus_RPG> okay, I think I figured it out... my sites-enabled files don't end in .conf so it's not reading them, so it was encountering no Listen ### statements
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2010 [20:07:05] <Enrico_Menotti> Hello. I installed and launched X. There's an annoying issue: the pointer is not where the system believes it is (if I click, the system acts as if the pointer were in a different position to where it actually is). There's a fixed offset. I'm googling around but I haven't been able to find a solution.
2011 [20:07:07] <dontknow> you can learn about firefox in about:buildconfig
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2014 [20:07:42] <jmcnaught> glycol: take a look at the debian/rules file in the source package. It's a Makefile that is used to produce the package. "apt-get source foobar" to download source package foobar (do it in a new directory)
2015 [20:07:47] <hellyeah> why debian doesnt have avidemux?
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2019 [20:08:54] <judd> Bug replaced-url
2020 [20:09:09] <jmcnaught> hellyeah: ^ probably some information on the BTS link above
2021 [20:09:46] <hellyeah> i need video editing software? Any suggestion?
2022 [20:10:06] <glycol> jmcnaught: yup, according to replaced-url
2023 [20:10:23] <oobe> glycol, dpkg-buildflags
2024 [20:11:26] <jmcnaught> hellyeah: there are some listed here: replaced-url
2025 [20:11:43] <AlexPortable> I want to change to another user without giving his password, is this possible?
2026 [20:11:45] <hellyeah> i see i will try openshot
2027 [20:11:54] <AlexPortable> or maybe include his password in the switch command
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2031 [20:13:43] <jmcnaught> AlexPortable: "su -l username" (as root, or with sudo)
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2035 [20:14:22] <jmcnaught> hellyeah: blender also has video editing features, but it's got a steep learning curve it seems
2036 [20:14:39] <AlexPortable> jmcnaught: that will still prompt me another line to fill in his password
2037 [20:14:44] <hellyeah> afaik blender is 3g software isnt it?
2038 [20:15:12] <jmcnaught> AlexPortable: are you root when you enter the command?
2039 [20:15:22] <AlexPortable> no
2040 [20:15:32] <jmcnaught> hellyeah: it also has a non-linear video editor component
2041 [20:15:38] <jmcnaught> AlexPortable: "sudo su -l username"
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2043 [20:15:40] <hellyeah> i see
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2047 [20:15:47] <AlexPortable> jmcnaught: im not sudo / root
2048 [20:15:51] <AlexPortable> i just want to access another account
2049 [20:15:56] <hellyeah> you have sudo or su alexlist?
2050 [20:16:09] <glycol> hellyeah: there's Lightworks if you don't mind using closed source, they're still planning on opensourcing iirc
2051 [20:16:17] <jmcnaught> AlexPortable: then you need to use the password, or have administrative access (root or sudo)
2052 [20:16:19] <AlexPortable> hellyeah: on another account yes, but not on this account
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2054 [20:16:34] <AlexPortable> jmcnaught: can i include his passwrod on the same line as i put the command?
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2056 [20:16:38] <hellyeah> seems many options
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2060 [20:16:50] <AlexPortable> i want to automate it with a script
2061 [20:16:54] <AlexPortable> without the user knowing the password
2062 [20:16:57] <AlexPortable> or having to fill it in
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2065 [20:17:14] <jmcnaught> AlexPortable: you can also configure a special sudo rule to become that user, it can be limited to specific commands. Use "visudo -f /etc/sudoers.d/foobar" to make the rule file (refer to man sudoers for the syntax)
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2067 [20:17:59] <rly> I am getting around 1MB/s read and write speeds on a SATA 3.0 Gb harddisk. How is that possible? (I already checked it's running in the highest udma mode)
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2069 [20:18:34] <rly> I am running apt-get upgrade and it is taking around 50 times longer than normal.
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2071 [20:18:41] <AlexPortable> jmcnaught: whats visudo -f ?
2072 [20:18:44] <rly> dmesg returns nothing useful.
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2075 [20:20:16] <jmcnaught> AlexPortable: you're supposed to always edit sudo config files with the visudo command, -f tells it which file
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2078 [20:20:26] <AlexPortable> why not with nano or vim
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2081 [20:21:17] <jmcnaught> AlexPortable: visudo (has a man page) checks that the syntax of the sudoers file is correct before writing to disk, as a safeguard against bad edits that could mistakenly remove your sudo access
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2085 [20:22:10] <AlexPortable> user1 ALL=(root) NOPASSWD: su - user2
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2087 [20:22:26] <jmcnaught> !goal
2088 [20:22:26] <Guest11574> replaced-url
2089 [20:22:26] <dpkg> Describe your goal, not what you think the solution is.
2090 [20:22:38] <jmcnaught> AlexPortable: ^^ what are you tryign to accomplish here?
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2093 [20:22:51] <AlexPortable> I want to allow user1 to switch to user2 without typing his password
2094 [20:22:59] <jmcnaught> because…
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2096 [20:23:17] <AlexPortable> because the user has 2 accounts with different permissions
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2100 [20:24:01] <jmcnaught> if the user can switch accounts without entering a password, then what is the benefit of separate accounts (besides logical separation?)
2101 [20:24:08] <AlexPortable> logical seperation
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2104 [20:24:52] <tripkin> AlexPortable, or the user could open two terminal sessions...
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2106 [20:25:10] <jmcnaught> personally i would make the user lok in separately with two different SSH keys or something, but it's still not clear exactly what you're trying to accomplish
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2108 [20:25:23] <jmcnaught> ^lok^log
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2114 [20:27:20] <AlexPortable> I just want this okay
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2116 [20:27:54] <AlexPortable> it's being used in a script
2117 [20:28:09] <AlexPortable> making the user log in seperatly requires distributing the script to all people who want to log in
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2123 [20:30:23] <simbalion`> Is stretch out yet?! :D
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2125 [20:30:55] <AlexPortable> Stable: Debian Jessie
2126 [20:30:56] <AlexPortable> nop
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2128 [20:31:06] <simbalion`> Aww :'(
2129 [20:31:17] <tripkin> AlexPortable, have you looked through this guide? replaced-url
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2131 [20:32:06] <tripkin> simbalion`, I have been running stretch on my workstation, and it is running quite well. Should be released soon
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2133 [20:32:40] <simbalion`> tripkin: I'm on the edge of my seat! I'd upgrade now but I heard that it's not receiving the security attention that the stable release receives
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2136 [20:33:15] <AlexPortable> sudo: parse error in /etc/sudoers near line 21
2137 [20:33:18] <tripkin> Perhaps not. but it is definitely getting updates.
2138 [20:33:48] <AlexPortable> Where is su located?
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2140 [20:34:24] <jolt> AlexPortable: "which su"
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2142 [20:34:34] <AlexPortable> found it
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2172 [20:47:34] <oobe> !dpkg why is cunt poo offensive?
2173 [20:47:36] <dpkg> I think you lost me on that one, oobe
2174 [20:48:03] <jmcnaught> !ops oobe
2175 [20:48:03] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: jmcnaught complains about: oobe
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2178 [20:48:38] <oobe> !ops sorry
2179 [20:48:38] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: oobe complains about: sorry
2180 [20:49:27] <oobe> jmcnaught, dont be a whiner
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2190 [20:56:12] <BluesKaj> oobe, if you can't follow or respect the language rules here then leave this chat
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2193 [20:56:53] <aerth> why does apt-get update download icons ?
2194 [20:57:00] <aerth> how do i disable download icons
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2196 [20:57:54] <jmcnaught> aerth: can you show us the apt-get output that you are talking about please?
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2198 [21:00:02] <aerth> yes replaced-url
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2201 [21:01:27] <aerth> also here is apt-sources replaced-url
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2204 [21:02:04] <jmcnaught> aerth: thanks ☺ i noticed the DEP-11 so I looked that up, here is more info about it (it's new for me too): replaced-url
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2206 [21:03:30] <aerth> !info DEP-11
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2210 [21:04:55] <aerth> i want DEP-11 off my machine. it slows down apt-get updates and i dont even use an AppStore or graphical aptitude
2211 [21:05:31] * aerth chants down with DEP-11
2212 [21:05:33] <AlexPortable> Is itp ossible to whitelist all commands like cp mv rm, but to prevent the user from running applications?
2213 [21:06:30] <teraflops> users already can do cp mv and rm
2214 [21:06:40] <AlexPortable> Yes
2215 [21:06:45] <AlexPortable> And now the whitelist for the rest of the commands
2216 [21:06:48] <AlexPortable> blacklist*
2217 [21:06:50] <jmcnaught> aerth: it looks like it's provided by the appstream package
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2219 [21:07:36] <aerth> apt-get remove appstream -> not installed so not removed
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2221 [21:07:46] <ddybing> Hi! I'm building a live Debian image to run off of my PXE server. I need to be able to input raw text at the PXE menu and have the image being able to read it after it has booted. Right now I'm just using a boot paramater that doesn't do anything and use a script to read the cmdline.txt. Are there any better solutions I have not seen?
2222 [21:08:29] <aerth> i see this in output of $(apt list | grep appstream) :
2223 [21:08:43] <aerth> appstream/testing,now 0.10.6-2 amd64 [residual-config]
2224 [21:08:48] <jmcnaught> aerth: if you previously had the package installed and removed it but did not purge, then it may have left /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/50appstream behind
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2226 [21:08:58] <aerth> thats it thanks
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2229 [21:09:37] <jmcnaught> aerth: however on my stretch system, removing appstream also removes the gnome meta packages. personally i'd rather have the gnome metapackages installed than a few extra seconds on apt-get update
2230 [21:09:56] <aerth> but its not just seconds, its forever because i have horrible net connection
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2233 [21:10:23] <aerth> and i run windowmaker and dont have any gnome metapackages
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2235 [21:10:59] <jmcnaught> aerth: if you have multiple debian systems, install apt-cacher-ng on one of them, and then configure the others to use it as a proxy in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/
2236 [21:12:02] <aerth> cool . that works good iwth apt-get update and getting latest versions?
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2240 [21:12:54] <aerth> cache invalidation sucks
2241 [21:13:01] <jmcnaught> aerth: yeah it works great
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2248 [21:17:31] <AlexPortable> Why is it recommended to put everything in /etc/*/*.d/ instead of just in the config file itself?
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2259 [21:23:57] <GJdan> I just updated a Wheezy server to jessie. I have some postgresql-9.1 + postgis 2.1 databases kicking around, I'm going to need postgresql-9.4 + postgis-2.3 going forward, but I intend to just migrate off the old databases into a bran new set of apps and database schemas. Can I just leave 9.1 installed along side 9.4 for now and migrate later?
2260 [21:24:16] <GJdan> Asking since I see that 9.1 is actually a wheezy package that got left behind, not a jessie package left for legacy
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2265 [21:27:12] <jmcnaught> AlexPortable: so that if a package needs to install a new version of a conf file then it does not have to prompt you for how to deal with your local modifications
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2268 [21:29:04] <jmcnaught> GJdan: take a look at the upgrade instructions in /usr/share/doc/postgresql-common/README.Debian.gz
2269 [21:29:16] <AlexPortable> what if the (new) conf file has testValue = 1, and my local modification has testValue = 0. What will be the result?
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2271 [21:29:43] <jmcnaught> there are a couple of cluster management commands that you use to migrate your databases to the new version of postgresql before removing the old version's packages
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2273 [21:30:38] <jmcnaught> AlexPortable: dpkg will prompt you about keeping your local changes, using the package maintainer's version, see a diff between to two…
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2276 [21:31:09] <jmcnaught> or you could leave conffiles unaltered, and adjust settings with files in .d/ directories
2277 [21:31:19] <AlexPortable> I mean the latter
2278 [21:31:27] <AlexPortable> using .d/ and then having 2 different values
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2281 [21:31:46] <jmcnaught> AlexPortable: i don't understand your question
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2283 [21:32:07] <AlexPortable> package maintainers version has testValue = 1. My .d/alexportable file has testValue = 0. What will happen?
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2285 [21:32:48] <ryouma> jmcnaught: are .d read after the regular configuration file?
2286 [21:32:52] <ryouma> so they override or so?
2287 [21:33:59] <jmcnaught> ryouma: it varies, often you'll see some sort of "Include /etc/foo/conf.d/*.conf" in /etc/foo/foo.conf, at the bottom of the file
2288 [21:34:16] <ryouma> that makes sense
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2290 [21:34:47] <ryouma> i always found upgrading that stuff to be a little dodgy
2291 [21:34:59] <jmcnaught> AlexPortable: you'd have to check the documentation of the software you're configuring. systemd man pages for example will tell you the order that the various directories are read in
2292 [21:35:27] <AlexPortable> so if its on the bottom it gets read later
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2294 [21:35:31] <AlexPortable> and thus overrides the previous changes
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2296 [21:35:39] <jmcnaught> the fewer modifications you have made to conffiles installed by packages, the fewer prompts you will get during upgrades
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2306 [21:38:58] <jmcnaught> with systemd for example, there are unit files in /lib/systemd which are provided by packages and should never be altered locally. unit files in /run/systemd are auto generated at runtime, and take priority over units in /lib. Unit files in /etc/systemd take priority over both /lib and /run. Finally an override in /etc/systemd/system/foo.service.d/bar.conf will take priority over the in /etc/systemd/syst
2307 [21:39:04] <jmcnaught> em/foo.service
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2310 [21:39:25] <GJdan> jmcnaught: but I don't want to upgrade the cluster if I don't have to. I don't feel like messing with the postgis side of things. So I'm just wondering if there's any reason I can't just leave 9.1 running for now until I don't need it anymore after the migration
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2314 [21:40:00] <jmcnaught> GJdan: the version of postgresql from wheezy will no longer be receiving updates
2315 [21:40:32] <GJdan> Right so it's insecure. Okay
2316 [21:41:03] <GJdan> Or, could a library update suddenly break it?
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2319 [21:41:24] <jmcnaught> GJdan: upgrading postgresql clusters has always gone smoothly for me, following the instructions in the README.Debian. You shold definitely have a backup, and also test the migration in a staging/testing environment first
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2323 [21:42:28] <GJdan> Hm okay, I'll have a better look
2324 [21:43:25] <GJdan> I don't really have an environment that will let me test this particular update though.. will just keep copious backups I suppose
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2326 [21:44:12] <jmcnaught> If you don't already have a way to replicate the setup on a test environment, then time spent working on that now will not be a poor investment
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2329 [21:45:00] <jmcnaught> even if it's something like installing wheezy in a VM, with a copy of the schema, and test doing an upgrade
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2332 [21:45:49] <AlexPortable> jmcnaught: i never get prompts
2333 [21:46:03] <AndreySuchev> replaced-url
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2351 [21:58:52] <GJdan> Fair enough. Suppose it's not that hard to just fire up a VM. I'm just lazy
2352 [21:59:06] <GJdan> I'll do it. Thanks jmcnaught
2353 [21:59:19] <jmcnaught> An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure
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2382 [22:14:37] <AlexPortable> What would be the best way to give someone write permissions to /etc/ ?
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2385 [22:15:54] <petemc> as its owned by root they would need sudo
2386 [22:16:20] <n4dir> well: or su
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2391 [22:16:46] <AlexPortable> can i whitelist with sudo on that folder?
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2395 [22:18:15] <n4dir> it is just one folder in etc ?
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2398 [22:18:36] <AlexPortable> multiple
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2400 [22:18:52] <n4dir> not that i could think of a good reason why anyone but root should edit etc files ... but anyway
2401 [22:19:08] <AlexPortable> Well I want to create a limited user privilege
2402 [22:19:09] <n4dir> probably chmod -R +w /etc/foldername; or such
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2404 [22:19:19] <AlexPortable> one that can edit etc files, but not delete the whole filesystem
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2406 [22:20:53] <n4dir> can't say that i ever heard anyone did it or wanted to do it.
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2409 [22:21:55] <n4dir> that is: there is probably a better solution for the original problem you want to solve
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2412 [22:23:28] <AlexPortable> Logging in as root doesn't seems to be like a better solution
2413 [22:24:06] <n4dir> no one spoke of logging in as root
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2416 [22:24:42] <AlexPortable> "not that i could think of a good reason why anyone but root should edit etc files ... but anyway"
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2418 [22:25:06] <n4dir> so? does it say log in as root? oh my
2419 [22:25:20] <AlexPortable> how would you edit the files otherwise?
2420 [22:25:27] <n4dir> su or sudo
2421 [22:26:55] <AlexPortable> So the best way is to use sudo whitelist for /etc/
2422 [22:27:17] <n4dir> shit knows. i never ever heard of such
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2424 [22:28:52] <n4dir> to make files writeable, you will use chmod
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2427 [22:31:03] <n4dir> many config files you can copy to the users home and edit them there.
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2429 [22:31:25] <n4dir> well: many ... urgh. for example /etc/vim/vimrc (or such)
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2437 [22:35:10] <AlexPortable> yes but uploading them back is the problem
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2476 [22:57:28] <AlexPortable> What would be the best way to apply changes to configuration files on new machines?
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2482 [23:00:03] <jmcnaught> AlexPortable: use a configuration management system like ansible or puppet
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2484 [23:00:53] <ryouma> AlexPortable: i find this to be troublesome. there are mergers and there is etckeeper, but there is a lot of tinkering needed. or as jmcnaught says. (jmcnaught are those things sensible for ordinary users? i.e. is the cost of learning them worth it?)
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2486 [23:01:54] <AlexPortable> so best i can do is to do it by hand
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2488 [23:02:21] <jmcnaught> ryouma: i guess that depends on the person and their needs… learning a new skill like Ansible isn't a waste of time if you're passionate or curious about this stuff
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2491 [23:03:15] <ryouma> jmcnaught: i mean, like, amortizing the time saved. some things in debian are excellent if you are a sysadmin, because they get used over and over again by sysadmins.
2492 [23:03:22] <jolt> And if you want to do something more than a couple of times, then it's definitely not a big hazzle to learn
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2495 [23:04:01] <jmcnaught> Ansible's really not difficult to learn either, I would say it's easier to learn than bash scripting
2496 [23:04:25] <jolt> Yeah, I second the ansible comment
2497 [23:04:57] <ryouma> how do these things work? is it like makefiles or something?
2498 [23:05:01] <jmcnaught> for personal config files like ~/.vimrc etc it's common for people to keep those in a git repository that they can clone to new computers
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2501 [23:05:55] <jmcnaught> ryouma: Ansible has playbooks that are YAML files listing a set of tasks basically
2502 [23:06:01] <ryouma> i symlink all of my needed dot files to their real locations that are git controlled
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2506 [23:06:27] <jolt> Yeah, searching for dotfiles on the web is a good way to get good example
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2508 [23:06:30] <jolt> examples
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2510 [23:06:44] <ryouma> jmcnaught: ok, yaml syntax is reasonably perspicuous at least
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2512 [23:07:54] <jmcnaught> ryouma: here is a sample YAML Ansible syntax from a role i made a while ago to install MoinMoin: replaced-url
2513 [23:08:35] <nudes> replaced-url
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2516 [23:09:56] <jmcnaught> but you could easily make a simple one that installs some packages you always want, adds your users, and a couple of config files. The Ansible docs are pretty easy to get started with
2517 [23:10:10] <jmcnaught> !ops nudes spamming breaches
2518 [23:10:10] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: jmcnaught complains about: nudes spamming breaches
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2524 [23:13:08] <dtux> anyone got a recommendation for an alternative to TrueCrypt?
2525 [23:13:38] <jmcnaught> luks with cryptsetup
2526 [23:14:05] <jmcnaught> dtux: cryptsetup can actually open/unlock truecrypt volumes
2527 [23:14:34] <jmcnaught> ,i tcplay
2528 [23:14:35] <judd> Package tcplay (admin, optional) in jessie/amd64: Free and simple TrueCrypt Implementation based on dm-crypt. Version: 1.1-2; Size: 36.2k; Installed: 91k; Homepage: replaced-url
2529 [23:15:01] <jmcnaught> but i just use the luks/dmcrypt that is set up by the debian-installer
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2534 [23:15:50] <dtux> interesting, ok i'll have to look into this
2535 [23:16:35] <dtux> i should encrypt my disks, but for now im just looking to have an encrypted file i can mount
2536 [23:16:39] <dtux> anyways, thanks!
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2539 [23:17:24] <jmcnaught> dtux: there's some more stuff if you run "apt-cache search truecrypt"
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2543 [23:19:28] <dob1> hi, when i restart a service with systemd, for example systemct restart smbd i don't see any progress or errors, how can i see errors? for example now i have an smb.conf file with some errors but i see no messages and systemct status smbd gives me it active
2544 [23:19:53] <jmcnaught> dob1: "systemctl status smbd" and "journalctl -u smbd"
2545 [23:20:09] <dob1> jmcnaught, it's active and green
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2552 [23:22:25] <jmcnaught> dob1: systemctl status will show the last few journal/log entries of that service. journalctl has quite a few filtering options to navigate logs
2553 [23:23:57] <dob1> jmcnaught, sorry but i have a smb.conf that is for sure wrong (i put a line with just "[") and restart gives me not errors, status gives me it active and green, journalctl gives me it started....
2554 [23:24:33] <jmcnaught> dob1: so check /var/log/samba
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2557 [23:25:55] <dob1> jmcnaught, what's the meaning of it in active and green on status if i have to check logs??
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2559 [23:26:18] <jmcnaught> dob1: why don't you show us a paste of the status command?
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2562 [23:27:37] <jmcnaught> dob1: also are you on jessie or stretch? samba in stretch has native systemd units, but in jessie they're still LSB init scripts
2563 [23:27:54] <dob1> jmcnaught, replaced-url
2564 [23:28:06] <dob1> jmcnaught, jessie
2565 [23:28:17] <jmcnaught> so if the status is "active (exited)" then it's not actually running, but systemd doesn't know enough about init scripts to say if something that exited prematurely was supposed to or not
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2568 [23:29:05] <dob1> it's active(running)
2569 [23:29:28] <jmcnaught> yes, and it has a process ID, so clearly it's starting
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2571 [23:30:19] <dob1> well i remember with just init, i used to do /etc/init.d/someservice restart, and there was clear if there were errors or not. Now it seems so complicated... 200 commands to see nothing
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2575 [23:30:43] <jmcnaught> i don't know samba logging very well, i only use it casually, but if samba's errors are not showing up in the journal then check samba's own logs…
2576 [23:31:19] <jmcnaught> dob1: once you get a bit more used to systemd it actually gets a lot easier to diagnose init issues
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2579 [23:31:36] <AlexPortable> Somehow my auth.log file isn't being written to, how cna i find out why?
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2583 [23:32:17] <dob1> jmcnaught, i believe that if the conf file is wrong a restart have to show the error, systemd of whatever you are using
2584 [23:32:28] <dob1> or at least a warning
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2587 [23:33:03] <jmcnaught> dob1: you're right, but from what you've shown systemd thinks it has successfully launched smbd and is showing you PIDs for it in the cgroup tree
2588 [23:33:15] <jmcnaught> so dig deeper…
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2593 [23:33:48] <dtux> jmcnaught: i think cryptsetup will work well for me :) replaced-url
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2619 [23:47:00] <one_over> What is a good program to use to mount image files?
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2623 [23:47:20] <jmcnaught> mount -o loop
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2625 [23:48:22] <petn-randall> one_over: what jmcnaught said if you're on the command line. For GUIs you can install disk image mounter
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2627 [23:50:34] <jmcnaught> or if you don't mind CLI but want a way to do it without root, "udisksctl loop-setup --file foo.img"
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