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5 [00:03:55] <TrollDude> omg this is so funny looking
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45 [00:25:39] <jsmp> hey guys
46 [00:25:56] <jsmp> how can i run a script ONLY if a certain grub entry was booted?
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50 [00:26:35] <jsmp> or can i specify within the grub entry itself to run a script?
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54 [00:28:57] <feliks> jsmp: you could abuse runlevels for this
55 [00:29:29] <jsmp> feliks: but the different entries are booting to the same runlevel, righ?
56 [00:29:45] <feliks> also i found an answer to my earlier question: how to vertically list packages in apt
57 [00:29:56] <feliks> echo "APT::Get::Show-Versions true;" >> /etc/apt/apt.conf
58 [00:30:16] <feliks> jsmp: you could set them up to use different runlevels
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88 [00:50:33] <Guest15940> hi guys somebody help me
89 [00:50:41] <VentGrey> What is your problem?
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93 [00:51:18] <Guest15940> my armitage is error loading stdapi.try again..how fix the error
94 [00:53:06] <Guest15940> VentGrey can i help me
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99 [00:55:31] <VentGrey> With metepreter sessions, you need to make sure you migrate to a running application. So for example, when obtaining a session for Windows you would migrate to explorer.exe
100 [00:55:32] <Guest15940> somebody know fix error in armitage ...loading stdapi.try again]
101 [00:56:07] <VentGrey> his is because the session is launched with the dalvikvm command and I couldn't figure out a way to load the android classes this way. It's definitely fixable, system apps have near root privileges and have these classes loaded. If you've got a root shell you could try playing with the dalvikvm command, the zygote process and libndkstager.so
102 [00:56:15] <Guest15940> thanks VentGray
103 [00:56:27] <VentGrey> more references please usaelputogoogle.com :)
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106 [00:57:06] <Guest15940> Dear Friend thank you very much
107 [00:57:13] <Guest15940> for your help
108 [00:57:43] <uxfi> no problem
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110 [00:57:54] <VentGrey> xD
111 [00:57:56] <VentGrey> My turn
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113 [00:58:55] <VentGrey> Does anyone know why does Mate-control-center is not showing the "touchpad" tab? I do not like how tasksel manages some packages and i installed mate from core.
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119 [01:00:40] <viscera> tasksel is gross
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123 [01:03:03] <teraflops> viscera: tasks have a purpose: not missing anything so you have not to /j #debian for asking for missed optional deps or packages
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136 [01:12:11] <deluxx> anyone here know about debianPPC ?
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138 [01:12:27] <deluxx> im having issues with my powerbookG4
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140 [01:13:18] <deluxx> i tried to install tiger and i think i might have bricked it
141 [01:13:39] <deluxx> the retro mac folks are a complete loss
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284 [02:49:07] <VentGrey> Is anybody experiencing this network boot error? "systemd:Failed to start Raise network interface"
285 [02:50:00] <hanshenrik> nope
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292 [02:51:12] <dunderproto> I need to combine two pdfs via the command line. Is pdfunite the best option?
293 [02:51:29] <dunderproto> /s/combine/merge/
294 [02:52:05] <arch-nemesis> imgmagick convert
295 [02:52:08] <arch-nemesis> probably works/
296 [02:52:22] <VentGrey> mmm strange
297 [02:52:56] <VentGrey> I mean, the network works just fine either from terminal and systray, maybe systemd is wrong?
298 [02:53:00] <petemc> ive used pdftk
299 [02:53:24] <petemc> VentGrey: is it just a log entry?
300 [02:53:41] <arch-nemesis> I've used 'convert' as my poor-mans scanner. Take a picture with my phone, turn them into a giant pdf.
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302 [02:54:36] <VentGrey> petemc yes it is
303 [02:54:47] <dunderproto> arch-nemesis, petemc: thank you, I'll take a look
304 [02:54:52] <rudi_s> dunderproto: pdftk in1.pdf in2.pdf cat output out1.pdf
305 [02:55:03] <rudi_s> (Straight from the man page.)
306 [02:55:12] <dunderproto> rudi_s: thanks, that looks very simple
307 [02:55:31] <rudi_s> np
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312 [03:03:33] <VentGrey> I checked my logs and found this also "networking.service: Unit entered failed state." & "networking.service: Failed with result 'exit-code'."
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314 [03:04:32] <petemc> you say networking works?
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318 [03:06:48] <VentGrey> It does
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320 [03:07:08] <VentGrey> Is it just a "mistaken" log? it kinda itches my head :c
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322 [03:07:59] <petemc> may be from boot, before interface brought up
323 [03:08:44] <petemc> or link established
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325 [03:10:40] <mutante> VentGrey: what does "systemctl status networking" say now?
326 [03:10:46] <mutante> active or failed?
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329 [03:11:39] <mutante> VentGrey: also, if it's still failed , that should show more why
330 [03:12:38] <mutante> VentGrey: you can also try "journaltctl -xn" to possibly see more
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332 [03:12:59] <VentGrey> Active: failed (Result: exit-code) since Thu 2017-05-18 19:45:45 C
333 [03:12:59] <VentGrey> DT; 26min ago
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335 [03:13:19] <mutante> VentGrey: i'd try to just start it manually and see what fails then.. systemctl start networking
336 [03:13:35] <VentGrey> Process: 11473 ExecStart=/sbin/ifup -a --read-environment (code=exite, status=1/FAILURE)
337 [03:13:59] <mutante> VentGrey: getting close, now i would run THAT command manually..
338 [03:14:15] <mutante> /sbin/ifup -a --read-environment
339 [03:14:19] <petemc> why?
340 [03:14:31] <mutante> to find out why it exists with status 1
341 [03:14:38] <VentGrey> ifup: /etc/network/interfaces:1: misplaced option
342 [03:14:38] <VentGrey> ifup: couldn't read interfaces file "/etc/network/interfaces"
343 [03:14:40] <petemc> it works..
344 [03:15:16] <mutante> VentGrey: aha. so let's look at /etc/network/interfaces
345 [03:15:20] <VentGrey> "misplaced option"
346 [03:15:42] <mutante> wrong syntax in interfaces?
347 [03:15:51] <VentGrey> quite long compared to other commands, should i use #flood?
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349 [03:16:15] <mutante> VentGrey: paste.debian.net is fine i think
350 [03:16:50] <VentGrey> replaced-url
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352 [03:17:55] <mutante> instead of "source .. ending wildcard".. i have this:
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354 [03:18:15] <mutante> source-directory /etc/network/interfaces.d
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362 [03:20:41] <mutante> VentGrey: could it be that? replace "source /etc/network/interfaces.d/*" with "source-directory /etc/network/interfaces.d" ?
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364 [03:21:06] <mutante> the only other different to mine is.. i dont have a loopback interface there at all
365 [03:21:14] <petemc> you dont?
366 [03:21:20] <VentGrey> let me see
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368 [03:21:22] <mutante> just "auto eth0" and "iface eth0 inet dhcp"
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373 [03:22:03] <VentGrey> does this affect if i use Network manger?
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389 [03:22:30] <VentGrey> replaced it, let me restarting
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391 [03:22:44] <VentGrey> Nope, failed again
392 [03:22:56] <mutante> hmm...misplaced option..
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399 [03:23:51] <VentGrey> What could it be?
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402 [03:24:09] <VentGrey> im googling but some suggest to plain delete the file o-o
403 [03:24:24] <VentGrey> Im no system expert but i think it is stupid
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406 [03:27:29] <mutante> VentGrey: you are really sure there isnt a line 1 in that file that is somehow not a comment?
407 [03:27:35] <mutante> it seems to dislike line 1
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410 [03:27:52] <mutante> and if you saw this one replaced-url
411 [03:28:35] <VentGrey> line one is commented with "#This File Describes blabla"
412 [03:28:51] <VentGrey> im in that excact same page
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416 [03:30:45] <OldParr> kvm does not load the kernel modules or may be they are not installed (i do not know wheter if they are installed or not) please see this output of kvm replaced-url
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418 [03:31:37] <VentGrey> Did you disable it by bios?
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423 [03:31:56] <OldParr> not that i know
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425 [03:32:36] <OldParr> but may be by mistake (i have a lot of time i do not mess with bios since i had an overheating problem)
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430 [03:36:20] <mutante> VentGrey: cat -e /etc/network/interfaces to check for any weird special characters in it?
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432 [03:38:12] <mutante> VentGrey: "auto lo" and "auto eth0" on 2 lines instead of "auto lo eth0"?
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434 [03:38:45] <VentGrey> replaced-url
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436 [03:38:54] <VentGrey> what are those "$"?
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440 [03:40:43] <mutante> VentGrey: "end of line", that's ok
441 [03:41:07] <VentGrey> Line 1...what if i plain delete it? i mean, it's just a comment
442 [03:41:20] <mutante> well, why not. see if it complains about line 2 then or not
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444 [03:42:24] <mutante> i would try the "one interface per auto-line", all examples do it seperate
445 [03:43:14] <VentGrey> let me see
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447 [03:43:54] <VentGrey> im going to try do a complete reboot
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451 [03:44:47] <OldParr> please why i see this error with kvm i think is about the kernel module replaced-url
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456 [03:48:51] <mutante> OldParr: looks like you dont have the kernel module loaded. "modprobe kvm" ?
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458 [03:51:56] <OldParr> mutante: replaced-url
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460 [03:54:15] <mutante> OldParr: now try running "kvm" again? also how about "lsmod | grep kvm" ?
461 [03:54:46] <mutante> OldParr: no output usually is a good thing, heh
462 [03:54:49] <somiaj> check dmesg, on many bios the hardware virt feature is disabled and needs to be enabled.
463 [03:55:09] <somiaj> there is usually an error about this in dmesg is the module fails to load due to not being turned on.
464 [03:55:24] <mutante> yea, and if not then that ^ check in BIOS
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466 [03:56:59] <OldParr> mutante: replaced-url
467 [03:58:03] <mutante> eh.. that i find strange now. it's loaded but ALSO not found?
468 [03:58:58] <mutante> fwiw, i see on my random test machine there is "kvm" but in addition "kvm_intel" module too
469 [03:59:03] <OldParr> mutante: as root replaced-url
470 [04:00:22] <OldParr> maybe if i install kvm_intel but my preccessor is an amd semprom
471 [04:00:34] <mutante> OldParr: "lscpu | grep Virtual" to check if CPU has virtualization enabled
472 [04:01:19] <mutante> OldParr: ah. so try "modprobe kvm_amd" too
473 [04:01:29] <mutante> it seems you really have to do both
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475 [04:01:43] <OldParr> mutante: replaced-url
476 [04:02:07] <mutante> OldParr: then go to your BIOS settings and enable it there
477 [04:02:55] <mutante> OldParr: also replaced-url
478 [04:03:04] <OldParr> mutante: replaced-url
479 [04:03:16] <OldParr> there is the amd response
480 [04:03:45] <mutante> maybe that is because you dont have the Virtualization support enabled then
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482 [04:04:07] <OldParr> how do i enable it?
483 [04:04:34] <mutante> in BIOS. and yes, that's exactly it. "By default, the virtualization support may not be enabled by all CPU vendors. In such cases, the ‘modprobe kvm’ command will work but ‘modprobe kvm_amd’ will give error."
484 [04:04:54] <OldParr> ok
485 [04:05:04] <mutante> OldParr: it's not an OS thing, you gotta reboot and go to BIOS setup
486 [04:05:10] <OldParr> let me see the bios
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488 [04:05:20] <OldParr> can you wait a little please
489 [04:05:33] <OldParr> your help is valuable
490 [04:05:49] <mutante> yes and no, i also have to move, but i can be back in just a few minutes
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505 [04:15:27] <OldParr> mutante: there is nothing about virtualization in my award bios
506 [04:16:02] <OldParr> the word virtualization does not appears nor simulation nor nothing like that
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513 [04:21:39] <jim> hi... I have a scanner, Epson Perfection v39, and I was wondering if I can use it under debian jessie, and if so, what to install?
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518 [04:26:06] <bazhang> replaced-url
519 [04:28:23] <jim> bazhang, thanks...
520 [04:29:01] <bazhang> you know how to get deb installed?
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522 [04:29:37] <jim> well I'll have some small problems with ian, but deb's ok
523 [04:30:01] <somiaj> many scanners just need software, gimp can use scanners, nothing beyond that.
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526 [04:30:59] <jim> I remember using iscan before, worked fine with this scanner... but today, come to find it wasn't installed, so gotta do it again
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528 [04:31:44] <Artemis3> and some need to copy a blob somewhere, i remember doing that with an epson.
529 [04:31:50] <somiaj> the only time I ever used a scanner I just used the gimp.
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533 [04:33:08] <jim> Artemis3, yeah it's something... the scanner isn't responding yet
534 [04:33:49] <Artemis3> dmesg might tell you when you plug it
535 [04:33:59] <Artemis3> else google
536 [04:34:03] <jim> dmesg does see it
537 [04:34:35] <jim> (or whatever is logging to dmesg sees it)
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540 [04:36:49] <somiaj> the kernel, what does dmesg say?
541 [04:38:17] <jim> sec
542 [04:40:47] <jim> here's a section of dmesg output: replaced-url
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544 [04:42:05] <Artemis3> so xsane sees it?
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546 [04:42:25] <jim> what's xsane? is that an execcutable?
547 [04:42:49] <Artemis3> install that
548 [04:42:50] <jim> not one I have
549 [04:42:55] <Artemis3> package
550 [04:43:06] <jim> , v xsane
551 [04:43:07] <judd> Package: xsane on amd64 -- wheezy: 0.998-3+b1; jessie: 0.998-6+b1; sid: 0.999-5; stretch: 0.999-5
552 [04:43:37] <Artemis3> there are prettier ones, but it does the job
553 [04:44:22] <jim> the scanner's doin stupf!
554 [04:44:30] <Artemis3> yay
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558 [04:46:07] <jim> seems to work... let me put the chart back in the scanner.,,,
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562 [04:47:48] <jim> it scanned something...
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564 [04:48:11] <jim> ;and I can see it, but it's zoomed in too much
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570 [04:56:25] <jim> xsane works fine with the scanner; iscan which used to work, no longer does
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572 [04:58:22] <mutante> OldParr: should be in "Advanced BIOS features"? these should be Award replaced-url
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583 [05:03:34] <jim> yeah that xsane thing works great,,, thanks a lot
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631 [05:50:14] <koris> hello, I'm running Debian Jessie and I have processes running as strange usernames such as Debian-+ and message+, can someone please help me figure out how to tell whether these processes should be running or not (whether the system has some kind of virus, basically)
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641 [05:57:04] <jelly> koris: ps by default truncates usernames longer than 8 bytes.
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643 [05:58:04] <koris> so these usernames just start with "debian-" and "message" then I assume
644 [05:58:10] <jelly> koris: if you look at numeric uid and at /etc/passwd, you'll probably find these are just a couple system usernames like Debian-exim or messagebus
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650 [05:59:22] <jelly> [8:58] ~ => ps -fu messagebus
651 [05:59:23] <jelly> UID PID PPID C STIME TTY TIME CMD
652 [05:59:23] <jelly> message+ 990 1 0 May15 ? 00:00:22 /usr/bin/dbus-daemon --system --address=systemd: --nofork --nopidfile --systemd-activation
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658 [06:06:15] <koris> hm yeah looks like it was debian-exim and messagebus
659 [06:06:38] <koris> is there a list of debian system usernames somewhere
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662 [06:08:31] <aypea[1]> Debian Exim and The Message Bus. Let the band names roll on.
663 [06:09:29] <jelly> koris: case sensivity is important there I think, so Debian-exim not debian-exim
664 [06:10:56] <koris> yeah sorry Debian-exim
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672 [06:28:37] <Atm0spher1c> i've got a dbus service/daemon that will not start. any ideas how I can debug this?
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687 [06:52:11] <jelly> Atm0spher1c: which debian release? What does "systemctl status dbus" say? check its logs for a start, /var/log/daemon.log or something with journalctl
688 [06:55:42] <koris> thanks for the help btw
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710 [07:14:47] <Atm0spher1c> jelly, im using sid. but before you send me to debian-next (its always dead there) i feel this is a debian/linux problem for me. And I don't understand systemd/dbus enough. /usr/share/dbus-1/services/cx.ring.Ring.service exists replaced-url
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712 [07:15:01] <Atm0spher1c> it just doesn't do anything and isnt running
713 [07:15:03] <Atm0spher1c> nothing in the logs
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715 [07:16:16] <jelly> see you in -next I guess, or not
716 [07:16:22] <Atm0spher1c> lol
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738 [07:42:53] <echosystm> i totally don't understand how to install debian with EFI
739 [07:42:55] <echosystm> or UEFI
740 [07:42:57] <echosystm> or whatever
741 [07:43:06] <missmbob> you dont use live iso
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743 [07:43:21] <missmbob> the othere iso's support it. live doesnt
744 [07:43:32] <echosystm> so basically, i have a script i wrote a while back that makes a rootfs on a usb drive and then makes it bootable
745 [07:43:33] <missmbob> as long as secure boot is off, anyway
746 [07:43:35] <echosystm> old school bootable
747 [07:43:49] <echosystm> i need to make this use uefi
748 [07:43:57] <echosystm> where do i start? i don't even know
749 [07:44:42] <missmbob> ask whoever wrote your script. we wouldnt know
750 [07:45:30] <echosystm> i wrote it
751 [07:45:47] <foul_owl> What's the status on the Debian 9 release date? :) Thanks to everyone who is working on it!
752 [07:46:01] <echosystm> same as always foul_owl : when its ready
753 [07:46:11] <echosystm> you might as well just start using it now
754 [07:46:16] <missmbob> foul_owl: when the green number goes 0. replaced-url
755 [07:46:20] <echosystm> the freeze happened a while back
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757 [07:46:39] <foul_owl> Ah it's generally "safe" to start using it now?
758 [07:46:45] <echosystm> yes
759 [07:46:51] <foul_owl> Awesome. Thank you!
760 [07:46:52] <echosystm> debian stable is like... ultra stable
761 [07:46:56] <missmbob> there's no security support
762 [07:47:07] <echosystm> as of right now, stretch is probably more stable than any ubuntu
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764 [07:47:21] <missmbob> and more hackable
765 [07:48:26] <foul_owl> Fair enough
766 [07:48:26] <echosystm> ok really though guys what needs to be installed to use EFI?
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768 [07:48:36] <echosystm> i have made my fat32 EFI partition or whatever
769 [07:48:46] <echosystm> i can't figure out what to do now though
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929 [09:37:27] <RM982> hi, why is my ntfs partition mounting as read only?
930 [09:37:35] <RM982> I have ntfs-3g and fuse installed
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932 [09:38:06] <RM982> UUID=XXXXXX /mnt/ntfs ntfs-3g defaults 0 0
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934 [09:38:22] <RM982> tried rw too, doesnt work either
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939 [09:41:21] <RM982> yes nothing relevant
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944 [09:42:33] <celyr> Well
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1064 [10:43:45] <rafalcpp> why this changelog page is 404? replaced-url
1065 [10:44:05] <rafalcpp> link "debian changelog" from replaced-url
1066 [10:44:19] <rafalcpp> where to see changelog of passwd, I noticed it was updated now in Jessie, what changed?
1067 [10:45:17] <bezaban> passwd and login were updated, but no changelog available
1068 [10:46:57] <celyr> on the website there are
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1076 [10:48:37] <celyr> I am wrong
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1078 [10:50:15] <rafalcpp> bezaban: huh? suspicious
1079 [10:51:06] <celyr> yeah really
1080 [10:51:43] <celyr> but I suspect they just messed up
1081 [10:51:56] <celyr> since passwd and login have the changelog of shadow
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1089 [10:57:13] <petn-randall> rafalcpp: It sometimes happens that the link on the website goes out of sync with the repository. Just wait a little, and it'll work again. Alternatively, just use the apt tools.
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1092 [10:57:56] <petn-randall> rafalcpp: In aptitude, press "C" to view the changelog of the package, or 'apt-get changelog <package>'.
1093 [10:58:50] <celyr> petn-randall, meh it seems that actually this update was not pushed to the repository at all
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1095 [10:59:15] <celyr> replaced-url
1096 [10:59:21] <celyr> but it should be legit
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1101 [11:02:09] <rafalcpp> celyr: aptitude change log worked, it's a security fix for replaced-url
1102 [11:02:10] <judd> Bug replaced-url
1103 [11:03:16] <rafalcpp> wow that's a serious bug. local use can kill any process of other user, e.g. kill his screensaver lock and unlock his screen.
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1105 [11:03:26] <celyr> sending SIGKILL with root privileges
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1109 [11:04:01] <celyr> rafalcpp, there are scenarios where this is a severe bug
1110 [11:04:22] <celyr> anyway it's not the case for me
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1116 [11:07:04] <likcoras> Hi, I'm trying to set up monitors + wallpapers when I hotplug a monitor. I'm doing this with udev rule 'SUBSYSTEM=="drm", KERNEL=="card[0-9]*", ACTION=="change", ENV{DISPLAY}=":0", ENV{XAUTHORITY}="/home/likcoras/.Xauthority", RUN+="/usr/local/bin/plugdisplay"', /usr/local/bin/plugdisplay is just '/usr/bin/xrandr --output DP1 --auto --left-of eDP1' But I'm having trouble setting up the wallpaper.
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1118 [11:08:00] <likcoras> I'm using feh for the wallpaper, but it needs to be called after udev is done and the monitor has been set up, and udev kills any background processes (so no forking in the script), how would I go around running feh after the udev rules is "complete"?
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1120 [11:08:29] <likcoras> I would just need to run /home/likcoras/.fehbg immeidately after monitor is set up.
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1142 [11:26:44] <rvsjoen> hey guys, having some issues with sssd, everything seems to be working ok, server is joined to domain, etc but not able to list users with "getent passwd USER"
1143 [11:27:06] <rvsjoen> realm list also looks ok
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1145 [11:27:15] <rvsjoen> any tips on how to troubleshoot ?
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1149 [11:28:57] <glickster> hi
1150 [11:29:14] <glickster> is anyone running debian on a thinkpad x200?
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1157 [11:35:41] <rafalcpp> glickster: well on x220 afair. runs well
1158 [11:35:55] <rafalcpp> glickster: though I did not test wifi/bluetooth/networking
1159 [11:36:05] <dionysus69> how do I troubleshoot system hanging while copying 30gb file from external hdd through usb 3.0 ?
1160 [11:36:18] <dionysus69> OS was totally unresponsive, only mouse could move
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1167 [11:37:48] <glickster> im having sound issues on mine
1168 [11:37:54] <glickster> sound works thorugh headphones only
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1177 [11:45:18] <coke> dionysus69: you dont
1178 [11:45:33] <coke> you let it sit there for a while and hope it gets through it on its own
1179 [11:45:45] <coke> and once you are convinced it wont you kill it
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1199 [11:57:11] <glickster> hmm no one has a similar issue?
1200 [11:57:15] <glickster> maybe its a hardware problem then
1201 [11:57:22] <glickster> but i dont understand since headphones work
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1208 [12:04:13] <BaltecoTroll> any help with ppc64 boot?
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1213 [12:06:01] <altyr> !ask
1214 [12:06:01] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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1216 [12:08:37] <BaltecoTroll> altyr sure. let's take a long way. i'm trying to innstall debian on ppc64 arch lpar. all i see after boot is grub prompt only. what should i do after?
1217 [12:10:31] <dionysus69> how can I delete unnalocated space in vhd?
1218 [12:10:43] <dionysus69> shrink vhd size or any other virtual hdd size
1219 [12:11:02] <dionysus69> gparted doesn't seem to have such option
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1221 [12:12:19] <altyr> BaltecoTroll: has the debian installer already done its job or are you trying to boot from the installation device?
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1223 [12:12:47] <BaltecoTroll> altyr second choice
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1229 [12:14:06] <altyr> BaltecoTroll: how did you prepare the installation device? i'm not familiar with ppc64, but there are a couple of general common pitfalls
1230 [12:14:39] <BaltecoTroll> altyr replaced-url
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1233 [12:15:14] <altyr> dionysus69: depends on which virtualization tool you're using. some of them have a command you can run to shrink the size of the vhd file
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1235 [12:15:49] <dionysus69> altyr: what about virtualbox?
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1237 [12:15:58] <BaltecoTroll> altyr debian-8.8.0-ppc64el-DVD-1.iso image using
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1244 [12:17:56] <altyr> dionysus69: the vboxmanage tool can do that. i'm not sure what the exact command is, i believe something along the lines of vboxmanage modifyhd ....
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1246 [12:18:13] <altyr> vboxmanage should come installed with virtualbox
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1250 [12:19:11] <dionysus69> ye i just read decreasing virtual drive size is not supporte
1251 [12:19:16] <dionysus69> only increasing
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1253 [12:20:04] <altyr> that's strange, considering i've done it before myself
1254 [12:20:35] <altyr> BaltecoTroll: sorry, i can't help you with that. i suggest hanging around to see if someone else shows up who does
1255 [12:20:50] <BaltecoTroll> ohh. holy shit. le means little endian
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1257 [12:21:15] <BaltecoTroll> altyr looks like i've used wrong arch image first of all
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1269 [12:28:14] <altyr> dionysus69: it might be possible that the feature depends on the types of hard drive file? if so i'd suggest you convert your drive to vdi as that's the default for virtualbox anyway
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1277 [12:30:54] <dionysus69> altyr: nope not even vdi supports it :)
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1280 [12:31:42] <glick> i dont hear a beep when i enter the bios as well on my machine
1281 [12:31:48] <glick> does that indicate a hardware problem?
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1284 [12:32:20] <altyr> dionysus69: replaced-url
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1310 [12:45:32] <glick> how can i find out if my sound issue is a hardware problem or a config problelm?
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1318 [12:48:14] <TomG2> glick, a good question. does your mixer work?
1319 [12:48:22] <TomG2> the sound volumes controller thing
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1321 [12:49:03] <dionysus69> install pavucontrol package if you dont have it already
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1323 [12:49:51] <glick> i did install it dionysus69
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1326 [12:50:35] <dionysus69> so when you open up any sound producing program it should appear in the first tab > playback
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1329 [12:51:42] <dionysus69> for me it has two options, built-in audio analog stereo or built-in audio digital stereo (hdmi 2)
1330 [12:51:46] <glick> it does dionysus69
1331 [12:51:53] <glick> i messed with all the settings
1332 [12:52:04] <dionysus69> what options does yours have?
1333 [12:52:15] <dionysus69> does it have built-in audio analog stereo?
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1335 [12:52:21] <dionysus69> that should be your speakers
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1337 [12:52:45] <dionysus69> if it doesnt appear then system doesnt recognize speakers, i am not a systems guy in that case someone else needs to help you xD
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1342 [12:57:12] <glick> pavucontrol sees my speakers and i see the sound bar moving up and down
1343 [12:57:21] <glick> under output devices
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1355 [13:03:47] <bulnik> Hi, is this replaced-url
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1357 [13:03:57] <bulnik> what are my options now?
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1364 [13:07:32] <jolt> bulnik: use rsync?
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1370 [13:11:18] <hanshenrik> bulnik, its probably the IO cache getting filled up
1371 [13:11:34] <hanshenrik> in the start, it goes really fast cus all the writes are just buffered
1372 [13:11:49] <hanshenrik> but then the buffer gets full, and the speed goes down to the speed of your harddrive, rather than the speed of your ram
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1375 [13:13:48] <hanshenrik> bulnik, whoawhat, that looks more like a bug somewhere
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1378 [13:14:50] <hanshenrik> bulnik, yeah, use rsync.. or cp, or whatever... that said, i don't have that problem with Thunar on my debian9, but i haven't coped GBs of data to usb sticks through it before
1379 [13:15:00] <hanshenrik> ...iirc.
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1383 [13:16:52] <bulnik> hanshenrik: so wiping ram cache works?
1384 [13:18:06] <hanshenrik> what? like echo 3 > /proc/sys/vm/drop_caches
1385 [13:18:07] <hanshenrik> nah
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1392 [13:20:07] <hanshenrik> bulnik, if i were you, i'd stop the thunar copy. then copy it with rsync
1393 [13:20:21] <hanshenrik> PS, did i mention that rsync would resume where thunar left off? rather than starting from scratch?
1394 [13:20:34] <bulnik> nooooo how? :o
1395 [13:20:50] <hanshenrik> where are you trying to copy from -> to ?
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1399 [13:22:12] <bulnik> copying everything in one folder minus one map to that map in the folder (I know, sounds stupid, but it has its purpose)
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1402 [13:24:20] <hanshenrik> maybe rsync --archive -X --progress --exclude "/path/to/that_one_map" "/path/to" "/path/to/that_one_map"
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1404 [13:24:40] <glick> is anyone running debian on a x200 thnkpad?
1405 [13:25:02] <hanshenrik> some guy on reddit is, iirc
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1463 [14:04:42] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
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1469 [14:09:01] <SweetPear> Can someone explain this, replaced-url
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1484 [14:14:34] <berty> hi guys, i'm looking to ipv6 privacy extension, and it seems that it is disable by default: replaced-url
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1498 [14:27:07] <segwent> hi, i am using 3.16.0-4-686-pae #1 SMP Debian 3.16.43-2 (2017-04-30) i686 GNU/Linux
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1502 [14:27:43] <segwent> I am using trying to use iptables nat but it does not appear to work on this version
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1505 [14:28:59] <segwent> i have: iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING $CIDR -o eth0 -j MASQUERADE
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1507 [14:29:21] <segwent> this is in use with openvpn and I am very experienced at this
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1513 [14:31:20] <missmbob> try #netfilter
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1539 [14:48:13] <segwent> missmbob: all the other distros i test for openvpn, iptables nat works as expected .. only this version of debian does not appear to work
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1583 [15:09:28] <segwent> missmbob: turns out .. ip_forward = 0
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1588 [15:09:59] <segwent> iz all guud
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1598 [15:15:49] <Cl0udN9ne> what package reads azw3 ebooks?
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1624 [15:27:19] <DammitJim> is there a reason why I need to disable smbv1 with respect to wanna crypto?
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1636 [15:32:50] <jelly> DammitJim: I bet ##windows can tell you why. But also that workaround is documented by the vendor.
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1643 [15:35:51] <Kostas_> OS: 64 bit Windows 10 Professional (Version 10.0 Build 15063), CPU: 8 x Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-4790K CPU @ 4.00GHz @ 3998 MHz 1024 KB Cache, MEM: 8133 MB, 50% (4050 MB) free, DISKS: total 2.96 TB - 282 GB free, GFX: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 780 Ti 3072 MB, SCREEN: Generic PnP Monitor, 1920 x 1200 @ 32 bit, 59 Hz, AUDIO: High Definition Audio Device, UPTIME: 4 d, 21 h, 57 m
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1661 [15:44:47] <mdk> Hi, on stretch, I'm doing a dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration to setup my compose key (as I always do) but it does not work, did I missed something obvious?
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1671 [15:50:19] <mdk> Don't mind me, reading the keyboard-configuration/README.Debian lead me to man 5 keyboard which in turns led me to udevadm trigger --subsystem-match=input --action=change and now it works
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1690 [16:01:24] <Cl0udN9ne> which app loads azw3 ebooks?
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1692 [16:01:39] <Cl0udN9ne> i tried apt-cache search azw3
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1698 [16:03:36] <teraflops> Cl0udN9ne: that format is proprietary
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1701 [16:04:10] <DammitJim> I know this is old news, but I'm trying to figure out the criticality of this problem with SMB v1
1702 [16:04:10] <DammitJim> replaced-url
1703 [16:04:38] <Cl0udN9ne> teraflops: ok,ill search something online
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1705 [16:04:45] <DammitJim> have you guys disabled SMB v1 on your linux machines in the past? or because of wanna Crypto vulnerability
1706 [16:04:50] <DammitJim> or is this not really a big deal?
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1708 [16:05:26] <aypea[1]> Cl0udN9ne: DRMed format.
1709 [16:05:40] <Cl0udN9ne> ?
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1711 [16:06:02] <aypea[1]> Cl0udN9ne: azw3
1712 [16:06:05] <DammitJim> is this non sense?
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1732 [16:11:41] <DammitJim> the wanna crypto vulnerability I don't think affects Linux systems in any way
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1735 [16:12:07] <DammitJim> but I've been asked if we need to disable SMBv1 because someone in the company told the president of the company that they read that on a blog
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1778 [16:30:30] <jak2000> i get the lines of sources.list here (/msg dpkg) but the error continue, why_
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1786 [16:32:21] <jak2000> modified /etc/resolv.conf checking..........
1787 [16:32:32] <jak2000> same error :(
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1795 [16:35:40] <teraflops> jak2000: if your sorces.list worked fine before and you did not change it, try with another mirror
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1797 [16:36:14] <jak2000> wich mirror recoomend me?
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1799 [16:37:01] <jak2000> replaced-url
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1807 [16:41:27] <jhutchins_wk> !sources.list
1808 [16:41:27] <dpkg> A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 8 "Jessie" has three lines: "deb replaced-url
1809 [16:41:41] <jhutchins_wk> jak2000: Looks like you have a DNS problem.
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1816 [16:45:25] <jak2000> its up
1817 [16:45:37] <jak2000> i have these sources.list
1818 [16:46:18] <teraflops> jak2000: so can you ping deb.debian.org ?
1819 [16:47:04] <teraflops> jak2000: I see proxmox sources there, are you sure your network is not messed up?
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1848 [17:00:55] <jak2000> teraflops man you know proxmox?
1849 [17:01:00] <jak2000> can you see: replaced-url
1850 [17:01:00] <jak2000> pls
1851 [17:01:30] <babilen> dpkg: proxmox
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1853 [17:01:31] <dpkg> Proxmox Virtual Environment (Proxmox VE) is a GNU/Linux distribution <based on Debian>, providing a virtualization platform with <LXC> and <KVM>. It is not supported in #debian. There's an unofficial proxmox channel on Freenode. For official venues, see ##replaced-url
1854 [17:01:40] <babilen> jak2000: ^^
1855 [17:02:41] <teraflops> jak2000: this channel does not support proxmox
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1858 [17:03:47] <teraflops> jak2000: proxmox has a nice wiki with lot of info about setting up network
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1889 [17:21:01] <oNeDaL> hello, is NVIDIA GTX 960M supported in Debian Stretch?
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1891 [17:22:57] <missmbob> yes
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1896 [17:24:01] <oNeDaL> missmbob: how get it working? i installed nvidia-driver, blacklisted nouveau and X is still crashing
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1898 [17:24:46] <missmbob> i'd just follow the wiki. did you download it from nvidia's site instead?
1899 [17:25:01] <oNeDaL> no, i used apt
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1902 [17:26:09] <oNeDaL> missmbob: my version is 375.39
1903 [17:26:13] <oNeDaL> weird
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1925 [17:38:39] <jak2000> how to use locate comand for try found: debian111.iso ? i try locate debian*.iso and no results :(
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1929 [17:39:34] <oNeDaL> missmbob: ok, it seems bumblebee-nvidia fixed my problem
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1931 [17:40:51] <missmbob> jak2000: sudo updatedb first
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1939 [17:41:58] <jak2000> missmbob yes
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1941 [17:42:03] <jak2000> and how to use locate?
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1943 [17:42:25] <greycat> man locate; your system should already be running updatedb daily.
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1946 [17:43:05] <jak2000> wait retturen in 2 minutes
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1949 [17:43:18] <jhutchins_wk> jak2000: updatedb && locate debian
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1951 [17:43:53] <jelly> jak2000: locate works on substrings if you give it a simple string, or full paths if you give it a glob (something with *)
1952 [17:44:53] <greycat> (he's not here)
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1956 [17:45:04] <jelly> if they come back, someone may want to tell them to do eg.: locate '*debian*iso'
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1958 [17:45:17] <avahi> guys
1959 [17:45:29] <avahi> why fdisk on debian 8.8.O netinst iso is not present?...
1960 [17:45:32] <jelly> or even '*/debian*iso'
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1963 [17:45:35] <avahi> is it some bug or it has been removed?
1964 [17:45:57] <jelly> avahi: is there gdisk or cfdisk?
1965 [17:46:03] <avahi> when i go to console during installation, i type fdisk and the program is not present. i hope it's a joke
1966 [17:46:05] <avahi> jelly, neigher
1967 [17:46:12] <greycat> or parted?
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1971 [17:48:00] <avahi> parted not found either
1972 [17:48:38] <greycat> The debian installers have always been disappointing as rescue media. To me.
1973 [17:48:54] <avahi> i was running an earlier ver. of debian jessie installer today and fdisk was there
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1975 [17:49:02] <avahi> but not in the recent release
1976 [17:50:58] <teraflops> avahi: well, it is an installer not a live iso
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1978 [17:51:28] <avahi> nice answer.
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1980 [17:52:21] <avahi> so basically, when automation fails, you have no way to install the distribution but using a live iso.
1981 [17:52:50] <missmbob> you shouldn't use live as installer ever anyway. that's your bad habit
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1983 [17:53:14] <avahi> not mine definitely, maybe teraflops's habit
1984 [17:53:15] <teraflops> avahi: you can use the installer iso in rescue mode, it chroots your you
1985 [17:53:20] <jhutchins_wk> There pretty much has to be a partitioning tool on the installer, because you can partition the disks during install.
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1987 [17:53:45] <greycat> I do not understand the line "when automation fails, you have no way to install the distribution"
1988 [17:53:50] <teraflops> avahi: I do not even use the debian iso so idk from where did you infer such thing
1989 [17:54:05] <jak2000> greycat i do first an updatedb
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1991 [17:54:13] <jak2000> and then locate debian*.iso and not found :(
1992 [17:54:17] <jak2000> but the file exists
1993 [17:54:47] <greycat> jak2000: for starters, you need to quote the glob in case it matches a file in the current directory. locate '*debian*iso'
1994 [17:55:06] <jak2000> ok
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1997 [17:55:09] <jak2000> checking
1998 [17:55:18] <teraflops> jak2000: as you already been told by jelly
1999 [17:55:20] <greycat> Also make sure the file is in a publically readable directory, or locate won't report it.
2000 [17:55:24] <greycat> teraflops: he was away.
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2002 [17:55:29] <teraflops> oh
2003 [17:55:32] <jak2000> ooooooooooo
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2008 [17:59:36] <jak2000> apt update :(
2009 [17:59:37] <jak2000> replaced-url
2010 [17:59:43] <jak2000> anyone can help me? please
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2013 [18:00:46] <teraflops> with promox issues?
2014 [18:00:54] <jak2000> ouch yes i see
2015 [18:00:55] <jak2000> thanks
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2018 [18:02:24] <dob1> what are wheezy-updates , volatile ? upgrading to jessie i have to keep them ?
2019 [18:03:20] <greycat> !jessie sources.list
2020 [18:03:20] <dpkg> A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 8 "Jessie" has three lines: "deb replaced-url
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2022 [18:05:19] <dob1> greycat, ok i have to keep them. releases notes suggest to use apt, here aptitude, what is the best choice?
2023 [18:05:38] <greycat> Keep jessie-updates and lose volatile.
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2044 [18:18:44] <Hello_World> Hi there! I'm quite new in Debian (freshly installed) and I've got problems with my wlan0... it doesn't appear when I make "ifconfig/iwconfig".
2045 [18:19:04] <Hello_World> Can someone help me ?
2046 [18:19:13] <greycat> Most common reason would be missing firmware.
2047 [18:19:40] <Hello_World> where can I find mine with that :03:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8723BE PCIe Wireless Network Adapter [10ec:b723]
2048 [18:20:08] <greycat> ,pciid 10ec:b723
2049 [18:20:09] <judd> [10ec:b723] is 'RTL8723BE PCIe Wireless Network Adapter' from 'Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd.' with no known kernel module in jessie or in sid. See also replaced-url
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2051 [18:20:13] <greycat> Oof.
2052 [18:20:17] <jak2000> greycat wich utilities recommend you for test 'security' of a debian-server?
2053 [18:20:21] <`Kevin> :| wow
2054 [18:20:41] <Hello_World> I'll try
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2056 [18:20:55] <greycat> (try what?)
2057 [18:21:30] <Hello_World> nothing XD
2058 [18:21:45] <Hello_World> thank you for helping me =)
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2060 [18:22:06] <greycat> It's possible that the bot's out of date. You can try googling for Debian and your device's model number.
2061 [18:22:25] <Hello_World> ok
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2063 [18:22:39] <mutante> Hello_World: isn't that amazing. the bot knew that exact string
2064 [18:22:57] <teraflops> Hello_World: worst scenario (apart not being able to use it) is compiling the driver by hand
2065 [18:23:00] <greycat> It's a front-end to a database of PCI IDs.
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2068 [18:23:30] <mutante> ah :)
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2080 [18:27:40] <tga8> where can i upload an image ?
2081 [18:28:30] <greycat> imgur.com is popular and is not terrible
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2085 [18:31:13] <tga8> i just downloaded the latest jessie netinst iso and trying to install it
2086 [18:31:31] <tga8> the machine i am on has no network and i don't need any extra package, just a minimal installation as always
2087 [18:31:35] <tga8> replaced-url
2088 [18:31:49] <tga8> it tells me no grub-pc package is present in the installer
2089 [18:32:25] <tga8> when i select install LILO as a bootloader, the package is not present either, so i can't install any bootloader
2090 [18:32:41] <tga8> how can i install the system without network?
2091 [18:32:44] <somiaj> does your machine boot in efi mode?
2092 [18:32:54] <somiaj> the netinstall should be fine, I just think you are booting up into efi mode
2093 [18:32:56] <tga8> no, it's a server without efi
2094 [18:33:04] <tga8> no efi at all
2095 [18:33:29] <tga8> 8.5.0 was installed there without an issue
2096 [18:33:33] <tga8> previously
2097 [18:33:45] <jhutchins_wk> tga8: Are you on some non-intel architecture?
2098 [18:33:52] <tga8> no
2099 [18:33:57] <tga8> dell poweredge 1950
2100 [18:34:24] <tga8> with intel cpu
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2102 [18:34:32] <jhutchins_wk> That doesn't say the grub-pc package isn't present, it says it failed to install.
2103 [18:34:34] <somiaj> what makes you think it dosen't have efi
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2105 [18:34:58] <tga8> because i have legacy boot setup in bios
2106 [18:34:59] <jhutchins_wk> tga8: Possibly you selected the wrong target?
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2108 [18:36:01] <dogui> I can't get a virtualbox'd debian to startx. I'm running the latest kernel and packages from stretch, are those supported?
2109 [18:36:27] <somiaj> dogui: since virtualbox is not in stretch, you are not running the lastest packages in stretch.
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2111 [18:36:40] <dogui> yikes
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2113 [18:36:45] <jhutchins_wk> tga8: Original disks?
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2115 [18:37:25] <dogui> somiaj: But Debian is the guest OS, it's a windows host. Or do you mean that guest additions are not in stretch?
2116 [18:37:29] <tga8> no i selected the right hdd
2117 [18:37:30] <somiaj> dogui: but maybe I missunderstood you, are you running stretch in a vm, or running debian stretch as the host.
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2119 [18:37:51] <dogui> somiaj: stretch in the vm.
2120 [18:37:51] <somiaj> dogui: so the additions will not be in stretch by default, so you may have trouble with gnome or other gpu heavy window managers.
2121 [18:38:25] <dogui> it's not that, x doesn't even start. It says no displays found. Was using it just fine yesterday, but I rebooted after some upgrades (I think)
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2126 [18:39:37] <somiaj> dogui: check the xorg log
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2129 [18:40:07] <dogui> yeah checking now, was just wondering if thisis a common issue
2130 [18:40:29] <somiaj> dogui: another recent upgrade with stretch was xorg-xserver-legacy is now a recommeneded package and may got pulled in during the upgrade. Unsure if this could have affected your setup.
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2145 [18:45:27] <dogui> somiaj: nevermind, it was my fault :)
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2148 [18:46:05] <dogui> somiaj: I mistakenly added some xorg conf file from my laptop to this thing, and it referenced a nonexisting device
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2161 [18:54:33] <Walakea> can i safely dist-upgrade debian by two versions? (jessie -> buster when it comes out)
2162 [18:55:24] <missmbob> no
2163 [18:55:38] <OldParr> kvm kernel module does not starts replaced-url
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2165 [18:55:56] <greycat> You have to do dist-upgrades one release at a time.
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2181 [19:06:50] <Pegasus_RPG> Hello. Is anyone else having problems accessing replaced-url
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2183 [19:09:49] <DeadTOm> Not having any problems here
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2186 [19:10:15] <Pegasus_RPG> I'm getting "The OCSP server suggests trying again later. Error code: SEC_ERROR_OCSP_TRY_SERVER_LATER"
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2188 [19:10:29] <sonOfRa> Pegasus_RPG: yes, debian.org uses letsencrypt, which is having trouble with their OCSP servers
2189 [19:10:35] <sonOfRa> should recover in the next few hours
2190 [19:10:43] <Pegasus_RPG> okay, thank you, sonOfRa
2191 [19:10:54] <sonOfRa> try an incognito tab, or another browser. That might flush your local OCSP cache
2192 [19:10:59] <sonOfRa> might.
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2195 [19:11:57] <jhutchins_wk> Pegasus_RPG: replaced-url
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2197 [19:12:04] <martinjungblut> if you had complex PDF files, and you had to convert them to TXT, what tool would you use?
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2199 [19:12:31] <Pegasus_RPG> jhutchins_wk: yes, I used one of those before asking here. They don't check the https variant though
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2201 [19:12:55] <Pegasus_RPG> martinjungblut: tesseract works really well on 300DPI images
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2204 [19:13:03] <jhutchins_wk> Pegasus_RPG: Yes, I see that.
2205 [19:13:22] <Pegasus_RPG> martinjungblut: there's also Calibre E-book reader that can convert to a number of formats (via pdf2html)
2206 [19:13:30] <Pegasus_RPG> TXT, RTF, DOCX even
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2208 [19:13:40] <jhutchins_wk> Pegasus_RPG: I'm able to hit it without errors in chrome on w10
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2218 [19:17:48] * Pegasus_RPG wonders if OCSP stapling is in use
2219 [19:17:51] <OldParr> kvm kernel module does not starts replaced-url
2220 [19:19:40] <greycat> So, wait. If you use https, that means every time someone tries to read your web pages, they first have to "phone home" to whoever issued your certificate?
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2222 [19:20:09] <Pegasus_RPG> greycat: without OCSP stapling, yes
2223 [19:20:21] <greycat> Wow, this gets better and better. </sarcasm>
2224 [19:20:52] <Pegasus_RPG> And assuming OCSP validation in enabled in the browser. Apparently Chrome disables it and uses its own method
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2314 [20:04:14] <federico__> 2 units failed ok, but where can i see them?
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2319 [20:09:07] <Epakai> systemctl --failed
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2321 [20:09:42] <vook> Am I right in thinking that /etc/hostname should only contain the hostname, not the fqdn?
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2324 [20:10:51] <federico__> ntp.service loaded failed failed LSB: Start NTP daemon
2325 [20:10:58] <greycat> It's a subjective thing. Different sysadmins have different opinions.
2326 [20:11:02] <greycat> I prefer the short hostname.
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2330 [20:12:03] <vook> ok, thanks. yeah, another sysadmin here is using the fqdn. Usually I rely on /etc/hosts or dns for that
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2339 [20:14:58] <TheDillon__> Hey guys. Having some install issues. I get to 'Installation Complete' but when I boot my laptop, I just get a 'Insert boot disk and restart' error
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2341 [20:17:05] <federico__> sorry i don't understand i see the ntpd up but i get the error about it failed to start from systemctl
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2368 [20:33:20] <bigtimelol> I want to install Debian on an external HDD with a USB 3.0 port connection. The HDD is 500 GB and I just wonder, generally, how well do virtual machines run on Debian?
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2370 [20:33:37] <bigtimelol> I have the CPU, RAM etc.
2371 [20:34:06] <bigtimelol> Especially, how well can I expect the VM to run considering Debian will be on an external HDD with a *USB 3.0 port connection*
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2380 [20:38:05] <TheDillon__> Hey. Question about software selection on install. If I'm installing on a laptop just for web browsing. Will I be fine with just standard utilities and Cinnamon?
2381 [20:38:21] <TheDillon__> Or do I also need web server/Debian desktop/ print server etc.
2382 [20:38:43] <TomG2> bigtimelol, sounds like it would be fine
2383 [20:38:44] <at0m> TheDillon__: just the debian desktop, and a browser of your choice
2384 [20:39:08] <TheDillon__> at0m: So Debian desktop, Cinnamon, and standard system utilities?
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2386 [20:39:12] <at0m> yea
2387 [20:39:19] <TheDillon__> at0m: Many thanks!
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2401 [20:45:11] <bigtimelol> TomG2 Thanks.
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2403 [20:46:13] <TomG2> VMs run great on Debian, in my experience, and according to how I hear about it
2404 [20:46:24] <bigtimelol> Do you know anything about Whonix, specifically?
2405 [20:46:33] <TomG2> if it runs off USB 3.0 at all then it should run fine
2406 [20:46:41] <TomG2> heard of, but i haven't used it
2407 [20:46:55] <bigtimelol> Alright. Whcih software should I go for?
2408 [20:46:59] <bigtimelol> Does Virtualbox work for Linux too?
2409 [20:47:00] <TomG2> maybe keep asking about the USB 3.0 thing
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2411 [20:47:21] <TomG2> yes, Qemu/KVM and VMWare work on Debian too
2412 [20:47:38] <bigtimelol> Awesome.
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2414 [20:47:59] <TomG2> it's a powerful operating system, Linux and Debian :)
2415 [20:48:00] <avalon_> I have problems with microsoft-IIS/7.5. It works, and it shouldn't. How to fix this?
2416 [20:48:04] <avalon_> ;)
2417 [20:48:11] <bigtimelol> Hence why I want to go for it :)
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2419 [20:48:52] <bigtimelol> Right, one more thing.
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2421 [20:49:14] <bigtimelol> I'll likely have to use a USB-hub for my endeavours. Not sure if that could make things worse.
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2423 [20:50:00] <TomG2> you could learn to program on Linux while you're at it. i felt like it would be worthwhile throwing that in there replaced-url
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2461 [21:06:16] <JJScrawls> So has anyone managed to get Steam working on Stretch? I'm getting failed to load the ui message
2462 [21:06:26] <JJScrawls> cant seem to get it to work or find anyone who has
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2468 [21:08:34] <Atm0spher1c> JJScrawls, I install it on sid on old ass hardware
2469 [21:08:43] <stoilkov> @JJScrawls Steam is working fine on Stretch for me
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2477 [21:11:48] <TomG2> i had it working, but it would only run once and I'd have to delete it and install it again
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2479 [21:11:53] <TomG2> maybe because i was on 32 bit
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2482 [21:12:21] <jhutchins_wk> TomG2: Isn't steam 32b?
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2484 [21:12:42] <Atm0spher1c> it is
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2486 [21:12:54] <stoilkov> Steam is 32-bit, usually when you launch it first time it doesn't go well because of locales
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2489 [21:13:12] <JJScrawls> stoilkov did you upgrade from 8 or try to install on a fresh stretch install
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2492 [21:14:10] <JJScrawls> Atm0spher1c I'm trying to get it on my X230, decently old but I like Stretch for the more up to date packages
2493 [21:14:30] <stoilkov> JJScrawls i installed it from Stretch like i said the only issue that I had was the locales and also you will need to hunt down few dependencies which it will show you in terminal
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2495 [21:14:47] <Atm0spher1c> Honestly, I would do a fresh install. That will clean up any mess you have laying around. Can't say it'll fix your problem though
2496 [21:15:07] <JJScrawls> Atm0spher1c this is a fresh install lol
2497 [21:15:49] <JJScrawls> stoilkov even w/ the 32 bit dependencies and the non free repos on my system steam still wont load w/ apt
2498 [21:15:53] <JJScrawls> I use gdebi
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2502 [21:16:32] <Atm0spher1c> When I installed it on sid, I have recommended and suggested packages disabled from auto install. Went fine
2503 [21:16:35] <Atm0spher1c> gdebi?
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2507 [21:17:15] <JJScrawls> yeah, allows you to easily install the .deb package from the steam site
2508 [21:17:16] <jhutchins_wk> Atm0spher1c: New package manager from Ubuntu.
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2510 [21:17:25] <dob1> hi can't install nginx replaced-url
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2514 [21:17:59] <Atm0spher1c> yeah, im looking at it. More overhead
2515 [21:18:01] <stoilkov> JJScrawls Install steam from the Debian repository and launch it from terminal if it doesn't want to launch change the locales to US or C
2516 [21:18:30] <JJScrawls> stoilkov I'll have to try, I tried before but the package wasnt found apparently
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2518 [21:18:53] <Atm0spher1c> JJScrawls, apt update
2519 [21:18:56] <jhutchins_wk> dob1: What release are you running? Are you using the standard Debian repos?
2520 [21:19:17] <JJScrawls> Atm0spher1c tried it but ill try again
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2524 [21:20:30] <dob1> jhutchins_wk, i am running jessie, my source list is this replaced-url
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2526 [21:20:59] <JJScrawls> Atm0spher1c all packages are up to date, I have all the repos on(main, contrib non free) and it cant find steam
2527 [21:21:15] <JJScrawls> Package steam is not available, but is referred to by another package. This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or is only available from another source
2528 [21:21:27] <missmbob> that's because steam is 32-bit only
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2530 [21:22:04] <missmbob> !multiarch howto
2531 [21:22:04] <dpkg> rumour has it, multiarch howto is replaced-url
2532 [21:22:09] <Atm0spher1c> JJScrawls, did you follow replaced-url
2533 [21:22:10] <JJScrawls> missmbob I added the 32 bit libs already would it not show up?
2534 [21:22:20] <dob1> Job for nginx.service failed. See 'systemctl status nginx.service' and 'journalctl -xn' for details.
2535 [21:22:29] <stoilkov> JJScrawls have you added multiarch to your Stretch install? Also, use synaptics in order to find steam I think it was named differently.
2536 [21:22:34] <JJScrawls> Atm0spher1c yes
2537 [21:22:35] <dob1> this is the error
2538 [21:22:43] <Atm0spher1c> JJScrawls, paste your sources file. supposed to be non-free btw
2539 [21:23:02] <JJScrawls> I have not, and I looked in synaptic all I see is steam-devices
2540 [21:23:22] <jhutchins_wk> dob1: So what did you get from those commands?
2541 [21:23:55] <stoilkov> JJScrawls make sure you add the i386 arch and do install steam-devices
2542 [21:24:20] <JJScrawls> sources list: replaced-url
2543 [21:24:22] <Atm0spher1c> you don't need steam-devices for steam
2544 [21:24:35] <dob1> jhutchins_wk, from the first one replaced-url
2545 [21:24:48] <Atm0spher1c> JJScrawls, if you didn't enable multi-arch, do that. follow replaced-url
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2547 [21:24:51] <missmbob> you should really read the how-to
2548 [21:24:55] <Atm0spher1c> ^
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2550 [21:25:03] <missmbob> we dont just link people to wiki's for fun
2551 [21:25:26] <JJScrawls> Atm0spher1c already did that
2552 [21:25:46] <JJScrawls> got an error I dont remember, libc s06 error or something similar
2553 [21:25:53] <JJScrawls> then I fixed that
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2555 [21:26:17] <JJScrawls> steam launched and updated and then failed after the update w/ the failed to load ui error
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2557 [21:26:31] <dob1> jhutchins_wk, i found the error, stupid one, something else was bind on port 80
2558 [21:26:40] <JJScrawls> missmbob I followed the wiki
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2560 [21:26:51] <Atm0spher1c> JJScrawls, how did steam launch if apt kind find the package?
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2562 [21:27:15] <Atm0spher1c> s/kind/can't/
2563 [21:27:17] <JJScrawls> just realized something that maight be anissue
2564 [21:27:32] <JJScrawls> my sources list specifies amd6
2565 [21:27:36] <JJScrawls> amd64
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2568 [21:28:07] <JJScrawls> grabbed the .deb package from Steam and used gdebi to install that way
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2571 [21:28:24] <missmbob> then you're on your own. we dont support third party debs
2572 [21:28:32] <Atm0spher1c> you're creating a monster ;)
2573 [21:28:44] <missmbob> !dont break debian
2574 [21:28:44] <dpkg> well, dont break debian is replaced-url
2575 [21:28:59] <Atm0spher1c> JJScrawls, remove arch=amd64
2576 [21:29:09] <JJScrawls> already on it
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2578 [21:29:23] <JJScrawls> didnt think of that until i looked at my sources list...
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2580 [21:29:26] <Atm0spher1c> or add [arch=amd64,i386]
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2582 [21:30:10] <Atm0spher1c> apt purge steam
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2585 [21:30:50] <JJScrawls> that works I can now see steam and am installing
2586 [21:31:00] <Pegasus_RPG> Hello. I just upgraded a Debian system running Dovecot to Jessie and now it appears that Dovecot is ignoring the default_fields entry in the userdb. (#dovecot is quiet and I need to get this working!!)
2587 [21:31:21] <Pegasus_RPG> So does anyone here use Dovecot?
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2590 [21:32:03] <JJScrawls> Atm0spher1c that was a simple issue I way overthought -____-
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2592 [21:32:14] <JJScrawls> lets make sure it works though
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2596 [21:34:20] <jonvonb> Question. If I have two subinterfaces say eth0.1 and eth0.2 is there a way to assign separate default gateways for each?
2597 [21:34:34] <JJScrawls> thank f#%^ it works
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2599 [21:34:40] <greycat> You can only have one default gateway on the whole system. That's what default means.
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2601 [21:35:04] <Atm0spher1c> JJScrawls, as fyi, when working with systems and complex things, don't take a different route and avoid solving the current problem. It just creates more problems.
2602 [21:35:09] <jonvonb> greycat: I suppose I am really asking for policy routing then
2603 [21:35:18] <greycat> Each interface will have a network address that it routes to, which is calculated using its netmask, but the default gateway is special and global.
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2605 [21:35:26] <Atm0spher1c> JJScrawls, (in regards to installing that separate deb package)
2606 [21:35:54] <greycat> You can use iptables to route packets based on various things, but I'm not an expert in it.
2607 [21:35:55] <jonvonb> So how would I policy route traffic to a subinterface back to it's own gateway?
2608 [21:35:57] <JJScrawls> Atm0spher1c yep, I used a sources generator insrtead of replacing the jessie w/ stretch and it asks for arch
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2610 [21:36:12] <JJScrawls> never even gave it a second thought lol
2611 [21:36:41] <JJScrawls> I've been running Mint to get around this issue and even tried Fedora
2612 [21:36:49] <JJScrawls> Can't stand Fedora
2613 [21:36:53] <Atm0spher1c> lol
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2616 [21:37:19] <JJScrawls> Did you know in Fedora you cant just add a VPN and have it work?
2617 [21:37:48] <JJScrawls> I tried changing the zone, adding port exceptions, adding app exceptions, was on w/ the Fedora chat for 2 hours working with them
2618 [21:37:57] <Atm0spher1c> i'm sure there are some quirks
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2620 [21:38:43] <JJScrawls> and I ran into multiple forum posts that when it went from 24 to 25 people had no idea how to get their VPN's working lol
2621 [21:38:52] <JJScrawls> they were pissed
2622 [21:38:57] <JJScrawls> never did get it fixed
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2624 [21:39:39] <JJScrawls> super happy to be back on Debian 100%, can't seem to get away even when I distro hop I always circle back
2625 [21:40:01] <crash_> debian ftw :)
2626 [21:40:31] <JJScrawls> crash_ exactly
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2630 [21:41:48] <dob1> so after the upgrade to jessie pid 1 is init, so i am not using systemd... why?
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2632 [21:42:15] <crash_> JJScrawls: i have tried Fedora before, but i like debian beacuse it is stable and does not change so that is what i'm running for years
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2640 [21:47:16] <JJScrawls> crash_ Fedora was weird, I would try to use yum to update all packages but it would throw errors then I would run yum upgrade and it would work just fine
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2642 [21:48:35] <crash_> JJScrawls: that is weird
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2650 [21:51:33] <ikla> anyone have issues with cifs mounts hanging ?
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2652 [21:51:53] <dob1> sorry guys for the stupid questions, but really i am confused after the upgrade: ps aux -> firstr line , pid 1 /sbin/init, ps -p 1 systemd, i don't understand
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2654 [21:52:07] <greycat> /sbin/init is a symlink
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2656 [21:53:04] <dob1> ok why ps -p show systemd and not the link then?
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2659 [21:53:35] <dob1> it's confusing
2660 [21:53:42] <greycat> maybe a format difference because you left out the 'u' option?
2661 [21:54:06] <greycat> Yup, "ps u -p 1" and "ps -p 1" show the command differently.
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2663 [21:55:42] <dob1> from man ps u Display user-oriented format, ok...
2664 [21:56:04] <greycat> The 'u' option (no -) is from the BSD side of the family tree.
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2670 [22:00:31] <dob1> greycat, another doubt, after reading a bit about systemd before the upgrade I thought that after the upgrade /etc/init.d becomes empty (just custom init scripts) and all the services in /etc/systemd/system instead /etc/init.d is like when i was running wheezy
2671 [22:01:32] <jonvonb> So I found a solution and fixed my policy routing issue. Anyone interested go here for an excellent guide: replaced-url
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2674 [22:02:13] <greycat> jessie and stretch ship both systemd *and* sysvinit (init.d) scripts for most services, because some users choose to continue using sysvinit.
2675 [22:02:27] <jonvonb> It works like a champ. And thanks to greycat for setting me on the right ath
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2677 [22:02:29] <jonvonb> path
2678 [22:02:40] <greycat> There are also some services (especially in jessie) that were not converted to systemd in time for the release, so those services continue using init.d screipts.
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2682 [22:03:50] <greycat> If there's a systemd unit file *and* an init.d script for a service, the systemd unit file takes precedence. Assuming you're running systemd.
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2689 [22:07:22] <dob1> greycat, it's complicated imho
2690 [22:07:41] <greycat> Yeah, there's a bit to learn. :) "systemctl status servicename" will show you where it read the config from.
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2763 [22:52:22] <jhutchins_wk> archlinux has a lot of accessible documentation on systemd/systemctl.
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2765 [22:52:35] <jhutchins_wk> (Which is odd, because it's a RH project...)
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2769 [22:53:49] <greycat> I'm very grateful for the people who wrote it, RHers or not.
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2781 [22:58:48] <jhutchins_wk> greycat: Isn't there a utility that looks at init.d and if it finds a script, creates a systemd unit file from it?
2782 [22:59:15] <greycat> Christ, I would hope not.
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2822 [23:22:21] <dontknow> is debian compatible with 7th generation intel cpus?
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2824 [23:23:17] <jolt> dontknow: The CPU's are all compatible
2825 [23:23:39] <dontknow> even ryzen?
2826 [23:23:45] <jolt> dontknow: What might differ is the chipsets and built in audio/video hw, they might need additional drivers from intel to work
2827 [23:24:44] <jolt> dontknow: Ah, yeah, but you need 4.10 or later kernel for multithreading in it
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2829 [23:25:01] <jolt> dontknow: But Ryzen is AMD
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2831 [23:25:25] <dontknow> yeah i know
2832 [23:26:04] <jolt> dontknow: So they are all compatible, but for optimal support you need a new kernel, either via backport or compile your own
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2834 [23:26:21] <dontknow> ok
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