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2[00:00:26] <TyrfingMjolnir> I got to edit the sources list manually and now it works.
3[00:00:44] <TomG2> TyrfingMjolnir, i'm sorry, what are you trying to do? access debian woody repo? it works from archive.debian.org for me
4[00:01:04] <TyrfingMjolnir> I was not able to convince the wizard
5[00:01:19] <TyrfingMjolnir> editing the sources list in a text editor worked however.
6[00:01:36] <TomG2> great, though for all i know you're talking about the wizard that's in oz
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8[00:01:50] <TyrfingMjolnir> That one
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10[00:02:02] <TomG2> great, then I don't have to think anymore :)
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40[00:11:27] <TyrfingMjolnir> How can I unpack a .deb file?
41[00:11:34] <TyrfingMjolnir> Without lisetning to errors, i e
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46[00:14:12] <zykotick9> TyrfingMjolnir: see "/msg dpkg deb" for the literal extraction method
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55[00:15:20] <TyrfingMjolnir> dpkg -x pkg.deb folder
56[00:15:20] <dpkg> TyrfingMjolnir: have you tried replaced-url
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59[00:15:29] <pthreat> glxinfo: error while loading shared libraries: libGL.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
60[00:15:37] <pthreat> /usr/lib/mesa-diverted/x86_64-linux-gnu/libGL.so.1
61[00:15:41] <TyrfingMjolnir> But I get contains ununderstood data member data.tar.xz
62[00:15:59] <TyrfingMjolnir> I ran alien on a too new debian
63[00:16:05] <pthreat> The library is there but the binary is not resolving the symbols
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71[00:18:45] <pthreat> loooool I had to add a new ld.so.conf.d
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75[00:19:11] <pthreat> I almost feel like I'm in slackware with jessie
76[00:19:19] <pthreat> xD
77[00:19:34] <TyrfingMjolnir> I got it
78[00:19:59] <TyrfingMjolnir> When will the be 9?
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80[00:20:38] <TyrfingMjolnir> Is stretch already stable?
81[00:21:39] <TomG2> no :)
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83[00:22:26] <TomG2> wwsr
84[00:22:29] <TomG2> dpkg, wwsr
85[00:22:30] <dpkg> Well... it's starting to get distinctly chilly... Debian 9 "Stretch" will probably release in mid-2017. It will release sooner if you help fix bugs in stretch and sid... take that as a challenge. Ask me about <stretch freeze>, <how-can-i-help> replaced-url
86[00:22:41] <TyrfingMjolnir> But to people run stretch for normal day to day use yet?
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88[00:22:57] <TomG2> yeah, people always run testing for day to day use
89[00:22:59] <TomG2> since it was new
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91[00:23:12] <TyrfingMjolnir> The developers; yes
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93[00:23:20] <TyrfingMjolnir> But people using krita or font forge?
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98[00:25:12] <TomG2> TyrfingMjolnir, not sure, but maybe! and maybe they're mostly using other distributions/operating systems
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183[01:10:49] <HansYolo> Hey there.
184[01:11:01] <HansYolo> Got the exact same bug on my machine.
185[01:11:01] <HansYolo> replaced-url
186[01:11:16] <HansYolo> How can I help to resolve the issue?
187[01:11:39] <HansYolo> Using Debian 9.0 right now, with amdgpu enabled.
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190[01:13:02] <HansYolo> The radeon/pitcairn_*.bin ony my machine is rather old, compared to the one in the thread.
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192[01:14:52] <HansYolo> It shouldn’t be related to the ucode but the kernel itself.
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286[02:13:48] <LTCD> Is there an easy way to log into terminal not the desktop? I only want to do this once so editing GRUB seems overkill.
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298[02:19:41] <wathek> Hi everybody, I have just upgraded to debian stretch and I have a problem with apt-get with repos using HTTPS I always have gnutls_handshake() failed: Public key signature verification has failed.
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300[02:20:13] <wathek> for instance when I try to add the docker repo when I do apt-get update I get that error and I cannot fetch the repo content
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321[02:36:08] <Atm0spher1c> wathek, install apt-transport-https if i understand the question
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323[02:36:47] <wathek> Atm0spher1c, it's already installed
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325[02:37:04] <wathek> Atm0spher1c, I have the problem with all HTTPS repos (yarn, nodejs, docker, skype, etc)
326[02:37:31] <Atm0spher1c> ereplaced-url
327[02:37:39] <Atm0spher1c> add the gpg keys i think
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329[02:38:23] <wathek> Atm0spher1c, already added I followed this replaced-url
330[02:38:34] <Atm0spher1c> so all this was working before?
331[02:38:37] <Atm0spher1c> the upgrade
332[02:39:05] <wathek> yes
333[02:39:12] <wathek> I had all that on my Jessie :p
334[02:39:40] <Atm0spher1c> off the top of my head, I don't know how to fix the problem.
335[02:39:56] <Atm0spher1c> But these days I prefer to do a fresh install with the mini.iso
336[02:40:03] <Atm0spher1c> wathek, replaced-url
337[02:40:21] <Atm0spher1c> choose expert install, and you can install stretch directly
338[02:40:32] <Atm0spher1c> best I can do for ya
339[02:40:42] <wathek> hmm
340[02:41:23] <Atm0spher1c> hopefully you have good backups and a separate home partition
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342[02:41:46] <wathek> yes but I cannot reinstall everything
343[02:42:00] <Atm0spher1c> why not?
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346[02:42:29] <wathek> Atm0spher1c, first I'm not sure it'll resolve the problem and second it'll take too much time
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349[02:43:11] <Atm0spher1c> dpkg --get-selections | grep install > packages.log
350[02:43:11] * dpkg selects atm0spher1c's family photos collection
351[02:43:29] <Atm0spher1c> lol
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353[02:43:45] <Atm0spher1c> dpkg --set-selections < packages.log
354[02:43:45] <dpkg> Atm0spher1c: wish i knew
355[02:44:01] <Atm0spher1c> wathek, might have to tweak that package log file a bit
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357[02:44:29] <Atm0spher1c> good luck
358[02:45:37] <wathek> Atm0spher1c, hmm
359[02:45:48] <wathek> Atm0spher1c, interesting I didn't know about that
360[02:45:52] <wathek> thanks
361[02:45:56] <Atm0spher1c> yeah its slick
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380[02:57:47] <nurupo> having hard time finding how to make systemd stop logging stdout of a program
381[02:58:08] <nurupo> doesn't look like there is an option for it in a .service file replaced-url
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383[02:58:42] <nurupo> anyone happened to know?
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395[03:05:02] <nurupo> found it, had to set StandardOutput=null and StandardError=null
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397[03:05:38] <Atm0spher1c> dpkg, tell wathek about jessie->stretch
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401[03:08:46] <dirac1> I have a question, i want to read "understanding the linux kernel" and "understanding linux network internals" but i would like to begin with a soft lecture about the linux kernel
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422[03:24:56] <zykotick9> dirac1: try #linux this is debian "support"...
423[03:25:11] <dirac1> Kk
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425[03:25:30] <zykotick9> dirac1: sorry it's ##linux btw...
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427[03:25:43] <dirac1> no probs, already there.
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519[04:25:41] <user3000> I am trying to boot the debian live image and I get dumped in a grub prompt. it says linux command is not recognized. What to do?????
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531[04:31:30] <user3000> it is grub2 and says "can't find command linux" I'm trying to use a linux command I found on google I'm not sure what to do.
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533[04:31:45] <bazhang> which command
534[04:32:32] <user3000> linux (hd1,gpt2)/boot/vmlinuz...
535[04:32:42] <user3000> ... meaning etc
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537[04:32:55] <bazhang> what are you trying to do
538[04:33:10] <user3000> boot debian live image
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540[04:33:49] <bazhang> you wrote it to usb?
541[04:33:53] <user3000> yes
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543[04:34:06] <bazhang> how did you do so
544[04:34:29] <user3000> i used unetbootin because dd did not even show up as boot option
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547[04:36:27] <missmbob> !unetbootin
548[04:36:27] <dpkg> UNetbootin (Universal Netboot Installer) allows creation of bootable USB drives for a variety of Linux distributions. replaced-url
549[04:36:37] <missmbob> wont work
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552[04:37:46] <missmbob> if you're in linux just use cp foo.iso /dev/sdX
553[04:38:30] <user3000> thank you I will report back.
554[04:38:43] <missmbob> user3000: sync after
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556[04:39:05] <missmbob> user3000: also, is this for using as a live system or installing?
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558[04:39:26] <user3000> it is for installing the prepackaged mate debian
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560[04:40:13] <missmbob> user3000: then dont use the live iso. live isos come with quite a few known bugs when it comes to installation (biggest known being no UEFI support)
561[04:40:48] <user3000> so no prepackaged mate?
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586[05:01:11] <justanotheruser> replaced-url
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588[05:01:15] <justanotheruser> what is adduser?
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590[05:01:24] <justanotheruser> is this a mistake and it should be useradd?
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592[05:02:09] <user3000> i suggest using the newer one
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594[05:03:59] <user3000> adduser is the newer one which uses useradd in the backround citation:google
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596[05:06:35] <ryouma> i always get those confused
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599[05:08:00] <justanotheruser> I don't have adduser
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601[05:08:13] <justanotheruser> which is weird because I'm on springy
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635[05:31:34] <mi11k1> does anybody have experience with installs on Zoe's Chinese associes
636[05:31:56] <mi11k1> sorry Chinese SOC called orangepi?
637[05:32:49] <missmbob> your best bet is asking #debian-arm on oftc (not freenode)
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678[06:02:53] <dtux> I've got a user service (syncthing) that won't run unless I'm logged in. how do i fix that?
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803[07:56:17] <bulkorok> good morning.... debian stretch with gnome user... I use a second (or third) screen and have an annoying second panel on top of the main screen... how do I get rid of that second top panel?!
804[07:56:38] <uxfi> good morning bulkorok
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815[08:10:24] <dtux> I've got a user service (syncthing) that won't run unless I'm logged in. how do i fix that?
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819[08:12:46] <jolt> dtux: I think there is an example of adding it to systemd and run as a user
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822[08:13:52] <jolt> dtux: replaced-url
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824[08:14:32] <jolt> dtux: replaced-url
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852[08:30:42] <dtux> jolt: ive done that
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869[08:35:42] <nikio_> hello could someone help me find a usb image with extra firmware: replaced-url
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871[08:35:53] <nikio_> im not sure which one is good for a sd card
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873[08:36:37] <bezaban> ,v login
874[08:36:38] <judd> Package: login on amd64 -- wheezy: 1:4.1.5.1-1; wheezy-security: 1:4.1.5.1-1+deb7u1; jessie: 1:4.2-3+deb8u3; jessie-security: 1:4.2-3+deb8u4; sid: 1:4.4-4; stretch: 1:4.4-4
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877[08:37:31] <uxfi> .v znc
878[08:37:37] <uxfi> ,v znc
879[08:37:38] <judd> Package: znc on amd64 -- wheezy: 0.206-2; jessie: 1.4-2; jessie-backports: 1.6.5-1~bpo8+1; sid: 1.6.5-1; stretch: 1.6.5-1
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882[08:38:06] <tx> ,v kde-plsma
883[08:38:07] <judd> No package named 'kde-plsma' was found in amd64.
884[08:38:08] <tx> ,v kde-plasma
885[08:38:09] <judd> No package named 'kde-plasma' was found in amd64.
886[08:38:11] <tx> Oh.
887[08:38:19] <uxfi> hi tx
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889[08:38:25] <tx> ,v plasma-workspace
890[08:38:26] <tx> hello
891[08:38:26] <judd> Package: plasma-workspace on amd64 -- sid: 4:5.8.6-2; stretch: 4:5.8.6-2
892[08:38:30] <uxfi> how are you
893[08:38:34] <tx> Good, yourself?
894[08:38:42] <uxfi> great
895[08:38:46] <tx> Nice! ;)
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898[08:39:16] <nikio_> plz halp
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900[08:39:40] <nikio_> where r the usb images with the firmwarereplaced-url
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906[08:43:37] <bezaban> nikio_ in current, then your architecture (likely amd64), then iso_cd
907[08:44:06] <nikio_> bezaban, what about current live?
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909[08:45:01] <nikio_> replaced-url
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911[08:45:05] <nikio_> not much there
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917[08:47:13] <bezaban> nikio_: no, but what you asked for is
918[08:47:32] <aypea[1]> nikio: there's enough in there to make it one of the more useful debian sites :)
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920[08:48:02] <nikio_> ok lol
921[08:48:05] <nikio_> ill use it
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949[09:09:24] <SPF> I have a cronjob */5, but when internet connection is interrupted it executes at 7:07, 7:11. I use ntpd with 4 servers. How can this happen?
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958[09:19:45] <topi`> if I move /var to its own partition, are there any guarantees that it will be mounted *before* anything that requires /var (almost everything does) at boot time?
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963[09:21:33] <SPF> nvm, I think I already found the problem, have to decrease some timeouts
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967[09:23:18] <jelly> topi`: yes, separate /var is supported.
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1037[10:16:06] <Haohmaru> during installation i get "grub-pc failed to install into /target/"
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1042[10:17:17] <Haohmaru> i'm installing from debian-live-8.8.0-i386-lxde-desktop (from a USB stick) onto another USB stick (there's no harddisk in this)
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1052[10:25:01] <Haohmaru> all i'm finding on the internet suggest that it might be related to whether i have network during installation, or that it might be related to the usb stick MBR somehow :/
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1077[10:35:52] <Haohmaru> i'm trying to open a terminal (xterm) to see if the network is working, but the graphical installation window is always on top
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1080[10:36:15] <Haohmaru> is there a way to minimize it or get to a terminal somehow?
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1095[10:40:49] <bezaban> Haohmaru: change to a different virtual console using ctrl+alt+F1-F8
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1097[10:41:05] <bezaban> Haohmaru: not used the graphical installer, but I assume it has virtual consoles :)
1098[10:41:11] <Haohmaru> bezaban, yes, but then i need to login first
1099[10:41:24] <bezaban> Haohmaru: you do?
1100[10:41:39] <Haohmaru> uhm.. well.. yes
1101[10:41:44] <Haohmaru> lemme check all of them
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1103[10:41:53] <bezaban> often the installers just have an enter to start bash
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1105[10:42:26] <Haohmaru> i need to type a user name and password, in all of them
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1107[10:42:40] <sh00p> I can change alternative binary using update-alternatives --config whatever... but that brings me to an interactive prompt. I can't find how to set the alternative from pure cli
1108[10:42:42] <Haohmaru> ctrl+alt+F7 is the graphical install
1109[10:42:59] <bezaban> Haohmaru: oh wasn't aware of that. hopefully someone who has used the x installer might know.
1110[10:43:04] <sh00p> found it... --set
1111[10:43:13] <bezaban> sh00p: right..
1112[10:43:27] <Haohmaru> ctrl+alt+F8 is just a blinking a cursor
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1115[10:44:13] <Haohmaru> i tried going back and then forward again "Install grub onto hard disk" but it keeps failing
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1117[10:44:30] <Haohmaru> what can i do? continue the installation?
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1121[10:46:30] <Iridos> if you do that, you'll probably have to boot into the system with a rescue disk and fix grub from there
1122[10:47:15] <bnw> What does this mean? "Download is performed unsandboxed as root as file 'linux_4.9.25-1.dsc' couldn't be accessed by user '_apt' pkgAcquire::Run (13: Permission denied)"
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1124[10:47:34] <bnw> can't find a single answer on google
1125[10:47:56] <bnw> Although it was a warning
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1128[10:50:22] <Haohmaru> Iridos, should i do that or is there something i can do right now, while i'm at it?
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1130[10:50:52] <Haohmaru> i ran xterm and i can alt+tab to it, i can type in it but i cannot see it
1131[10:52:17] <Iridos> Haohmaru, up to you… if you feel you cannot fix it there, continue and try with the tools from an installed system
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1133[10:53:01] <Haohmaru> Iridos, well i want to try and see if the network is set up, but i cannot get to a terminal
1134[10:53:28] <Haohmaru> i'm trying to find if i can run xterm with arguments (to openbox maybe) so that it's always on top
1135[10:53:50] <Iridos> bnw, context?
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1137[10:55:24] <bnw> Iridos, I was running a apt upgrade which would upgrade xserver-xorg linux-headers-amd64 and xorg
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1139[10:56:14] <Iridos> put the whole output from command to error into a pastebin maybe
1140[10:56:22] <bnw> On a system running testing (release in list file is set at 'stretch')
1141[10:56:59] <Iridos> well, and look in the bug tracking system at bugs.debian.org
1142[10:57:21] <Iridos> and probably continue in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net
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1150[10:59:08] <bnw> command and output is at replaced-url
1151[10:59:31] <bnw> Iridos, will keep an eye on those. Thanks
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1177[11:13:48] <Haohmaru> what did i do wrong? in the partition setup, i told it i want to let it create partitions itself, and i chose that i want to have dedicated partitions for /home /tmp /var, so it made first a 3GB partition for / .. some others and finally another 3GB for /home
1178[11:14:11] <Haohmaru> but i manually went and added the boot flag onto the first partition.. was this wrong?!
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1180[11:15:50] <bnw> Haohmaru, where did you "added the boot flag"?
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1182[11:16:17] <Haohmaru> onto the first partition which was 4GB ext4 used as /
1183[11:17:10] <Haohmaru> the installation generated those partitions but did not put the boot flag on any of them, so i thought i should do it myself
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1185[11:18:04] <Haohmaru> is there something extra that needs to be done when installing linux onto a USB stick?
1186[11:18:24] <Haohmaru> all i read is that i should make sure that grub is installed onto the MBR
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1193[11:24:19] <mlkkk> hello, I trying to find a php lz4 deb
1194[11:24:39] <mlkkk> why in debian repo there is not package for this?
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1197[11:24:55] <mlkkk> I am using wheezy
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1203[11:30:01] <Haohmaru> i found some tutorial that suggest two ways to have debian on a USB stick: using a live USB iso with "persistance" and actually installing debian onto the USB stick as if it's a hard disk (this is what i want)
1204[11:30:19] <Haohmaru> but for installing, it suggests doing it via virtualbox o_O
1205[11:30:58] <Haohmaru> while i'm plugging one usb stick with the live installer and another usb stick which should act as the hard disk
1206[11:31:06] <Haohmaru> is that not going to work for some reason?
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1221[11:40:23] <woshty> Is there a way to backup a btrfs subvol/snapshot? Or a subvol with all corresponding snapshots?
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1256[12:02:02] <afidegnum> hello, i have hard disk at /dev/md3 how do i link that to /home ?
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1270[12:11:15] <babilen> afidegnum: You'd mount a filesystem that resides on that disk to /home
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1299[12:23:21] <bnw> Haohmaru, I can't remember a phrase during d-i that I can change boot flag of a partition
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1304[12:24:20] <Haohmaru> bnw, you mean you don't remember seeing/using such option in the installer?
1305[12:24:39] <bnw> Haohmaru, what is the target platform you plan to run your USB mobile Debian?
1306[12:24:52] <bnw> Haohmaru, yes
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1308[12:25:07] <Haohmaru> some remainings from a laptop
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1310[12:25:40] <bnw> x86? BIOS or UEFI?
1311[12:25:49] <Haohmaru> single-core, 32bit
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1316[12:26:56] <Haohmaru> bnw, i'm not sure about those other things, i'm not familiar with laptops
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1319[12:27:44] <Haohmaru> it has some bios, and it can boot from usb, and i think even from ethernet
1320[12:27:59] <bnw> I was able to create a external drive that can boot into a wide variety of hardware
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1322[12:28:48] <bnw> I had the ESP partition's legacy-boot option set to on
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1324[12:29:14] <Greenhorn> Hello friends. I have dabbled in multibooting windows/ubuntu/debian for a bit. I got a headless computer that i want to be a debian machine. My question; is there a way to connect to the "server", like connecting to a windows server using remote desktop?
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1327[12:29:54] <bnw> Greenhorn, x2go or xpra should be able to work
1328[12:29:58] <bnw> Or VNC
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1330[12:30:25] <Greenhorn> Thank you. Now i have some keywords to research on. Thank you bnw!
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1332[12:30:43] <bnw> or even ssh -X, if you just need to run it in LAN ethernet
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1334[12:31:15] <Greenhorn> It will be on my LAN. Do you have any preference?
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1336[12:31:32] <altyr> Greenhorn: there even is a rdp server for linux, if you happen to be familiar with that from using windows
1337[12:31:45] <bnw> These are for graphical application. For CLI, ssh is great
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1341[12:32:56] <bnw> Haohmaru, for single-core and just 32bit, I think it definitely is booting via BIOS
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1343[12:33:36] <Greenhorn> altyr: i thank you. I have experience using rdp, so that might be the way to go. Once again, thank you guys - that was some quick help right there!
1344[12:33:49] <bnw> Haohmaru, so you just need a way to chroot into your USB stick system and install grub(2) on it.
1345[12:33:50] <abff> xpra is the bomb
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1349[12:36:15] <bnw> My current mobile external SSD can boot its Debian inside on my 2008 old BIOS only PC, on an Intel NUC and a MBP
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1352[12:37:35] <bnw> I usually connect the disk through a SATA2USB3 converter to the machine I want to boot to.
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1354[12:38:13] <Haohmaru> i just went thru the installation again, this time i didn't put the bootable flag anywhere, and it still failed to install grub-pc
1355[12:38:24] <Haohmaru> :/
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1358[12:40:53] <bnw> Haohmaru, how many Gig's inside your USB stick?
1359[12:42:02] <afidegnum> babilen: thanks
1360[12:42:53] <Haohmaru> bnw, the usb stick is 8GB
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1362[12:43:12] <Haohmaru> the one i'm installing from is 2GB, but the debian live iso was just 1.1GB
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1364[12:45:49] <bnw> Haohmaru, I will take more space after installation. And I don't think you need that many partitions on a 8G USB stick
1365[12:46:30] <bnw> Just / and /home should be OK IMHO, or even just /
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1370[12:47:27] <TyrfingMjolnir> Is there a vbox channel?
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1377[12:50:47] <bnw> Haohmaru, I think there could be problem if space for system installation is not enough.
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1397[13:07:40] <jelly> TyrfingMjolnir: try /msg alis list vbox
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1401[13:12:09] <noqnio1> May i ask why the firefox version in our depos is so outdated?
1402[13:12:28] <towo^work> beacause it's debian?
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1405[13:12:52] <towo^work> no new versions of apps ever came to debian stable (besides backports)
1406[13:13:03] <noqnio1> 45 on testing while latest is 53?
1407[13:13:18] <noqnio1> on stable, i understand
1408[13:13:20] <TyrfingMjolnir> noqnio1: Does it not update itself?
1409[13:13:26] <towo^work> debian is in freeze
1410[13:13:40] <TyrfingMjolnir> But what about FireFox? Mine updates itself.
1411[13:13:40] <noqnio1> Ohhh i forgot that
1412[13:13:55] <TyrfingMjolnir> I use FireFox Developer Edition however.
1413[13:14:01] <noqnio1> I don't know, i haven't let it update itself and i don't know if i should
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1415[13:14:39] <towo^work> firefox installed from repo never updates itself!
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1418[13:15:29] <noqnio1> I'd think that's the debian way as well
1419[13:16:47] <towo^work> and btw, debian testing has no firefox at all, only firefox-esr
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1422[13:18:06] <noqnio1> does esr mean it is gonna stay in this version for a long time?
1423[13:18:12] <noqnio1> i thought it was another naming issue
1424[13:18:37] <altyr> replaced-url
1425[13:18:44] <altyr> ^^ esr timeline by mozilla
1426[13:19:26] <altyr> might clear up some things regarding versions
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1431[13:23:34] <jelly> noqnio1: Debian is tracking ESR builds of Firefox. after 45.x ESR the distro is going to switch to 52.x ESR release.
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1434[13:26:44] <noqnio1> cool thanks everybody
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1446[13:33:27] <Voovode> Can anyone help me with this kern.log dump? replaced-url
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1449[13:35:05] <Voovode> I receive it once every 30 minutes, thanks
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1486[13:57:58] <avian> Hi. I noticed some unusual firewall problems after the last stable kernel update (3.16.43-2).
1487[13:58:22] <avian> what would be a good mailing list to ask about this?
1488[13:58:40] <avian> it's a bit long to describe here on irc
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1492[14:00:44] <jelly> avian: in general, debian-user, but if you've pinpointed the issue to a specific kernel package build (ie. if it reliably goes away when you downgrade the kernel package), file a bug report for the kernel
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1501[14:04:35] <avian> jelly, thanks.
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1510[14:08:02] <awer> Hi, which channel is relevant for using BEEF?
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1512[14:10:32] <petn-randall> awer: Big Explosives Experimental Facility?
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1516[14:11:11] <awer> petn-randall: sounds like a good backup :-)
1517[14:11:34] <awer> petn-randall: The Browser Exploitation Framework
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1519[14:12:33] <petn-randall> awer: Doesn't look like they have an IRC channel.
1520[14:12:45] <petn-randall> awer: Are you using Kali or Parrot?
1521[14:12:52] <awer> Kali
1522[14:12:55] <petn-randall> !kali
1523[14:12:56] <dpkg> Kali Linux (replaced-url
1524[14:13:05] <petn-randall> awer: ^^^ maybe someone in their channel knows.
1525[14:13:27] <awer> petn-randall: thanks mate.
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1527[14:14:49] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
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1533[14:19:28] <yemanjalisa> hi
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1535[14:20:04] <yemanjalisa> is there a Laura here please
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1537[14:22:09] <BluesKaj> not in the nicklist, all you have to do is look there
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1541[14:22:24] <yemanjalisa> yep but i d'ont remember her nickname :/
1542[14:22:57] <yemanjalisa> she manage the visual communication on debian
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1544[14:24:11] <yemanjalisa> and want to propose my contribution
1545[14:24:20] <yemanjalisa> everyvody tell me that i have to talk to Laura
1546[14:24:48] <petn-randall> yemanjalisa: Who said that? Maybe they also know how to contact her.
1547[14:25:01] <BluesKaj> yemanjalisa,, do you have a debian question...and what do you mean by "visual communication"
1548[14:25:09] <yemanjalisa> yep i have already send them a mail, but i try to found her ^^
1549[14:25:51] <shtrb|laptop> Hi BluesKaj
1550[14:26:03] <BluesKaj> hi shtrb|laptop
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1552[14:26:13] <yemanjalisa> no not question about debian, i already use it since a lot of time, i just want to contribute to debian, and don't know wich channel is dedicated to the visual communication :/
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1556[14:26:57] <shtrb|laptop> yemanjalisa , you mean like in UI design ?
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1558[14:27:14] <BluesKaj> well , we're communicating with words/text, which is visual. what do you mesn?
1559[14:27:46] <yemanjalisa> i propose some new webpage to replace the webiste like getdebian
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1561[14:28:04] <yemanjalisa> and people said me that i have to present that to "Laura"
1562[14:28:09] <shtrb|laptop> so UI / UX stuff if get you correctly
1563[14:28:17] <shtrb|laptop> If I get you correctly
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1567[14:29:00] <shtrb|laptop> I think you are searching larjona
1568[14:29:05] <yemanjalisa> ok
1569[14:29:19] <shtrb|laptop> but not sure
1570[14:29:26] <yemanjalisa> i will try :) thanks
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1573[14:30:13] <shtrb|laptop> also check the design-devel mailing list (but they are not exactly what you ask for )
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1575[14:30:38] <jelly> yemanjalisa: most debian development discussion is done on OFTC network, not here on freenode
1576[14:31:00] <yemanjalisa> hi larjona : i meet some people on the BSP Paris debian meeting last week end and we work on some webpages, i want to pursue this task and help on the release of stretch (in communication part).
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1580[14:31:46] <yemanjalisa> ah ! ok jelly thanks and wich channel ?
1581[14:32:07] <yemanjalisa> yes i'm writing a mail to design-devel on the thread about modern design.
1582[14:32:15] <yemanjalisa> thanks shtrb|laptop
1583[14:32:56] <jelly> yemanjalisa: not sure, start in #debian-devel I guess
1584[14:33:26] <jelly> the person you're looking for is only idle for half an hour on oftc, but 6+ hours here
1585[14:33:28] <shtrb|laptop> Sorry for outing , and now I'm quite sure I was wrong with the nick
1586[14:33:39] <jelly> maybe not.
1587[14:34:43] <sputnikchen> Hello, I've a problem to format a corrupted ssd-disk: "Dev Sunxi softw311 sda header bad for all MBR copies, MBR corrupted or not present." and "Dev Sunxi softw411 sda magic does not match for MBR 1" and "sda: unknown partition table". I can't find a solution
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1590[14:36:50] <sputnikchen> I tried parted and fdisk, but I think I did something wrong
1591[14:37:32] <petn-randall> sputnikchen: What is corrupted about the disk?
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1593[14:38:26] <jelly> sputnikchen: sunxi you say? Are you using Debian's kernel or linux-sunxi's upstreaming effort or vendor's 3.4?
1594[14:38:45] <sputnikchen> It was an old ntfs disk. While I'm formating the pc powerd off.
1595[14:38:53] <jelly> sputnikchen: which command results in that output?
1596[14:39:08] <sputnikchen> I'm using a banana pi with debian
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1598[14:39:34] <sputnikchen> uname -a: Linux banana 3.4.111-bananian #5 SMP PREEMPT Fri Mar 25 17:24:42 UTC 2016 armv7l GNU/Linux
1599[14:39:40] <larjona> hi yemanjalisa! I'm checking out from work, it's been a tough day and I couldn't multitask with Debian :)
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1601[14:39:59] <larjona> I'll read the backlog and the mail while going home and I will contact back to you
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1605[14:40:22] <petn-randall> Yay \o/, you found each other.
1606[14:40:29] <jelly> sputnikchen: you're not running Debian kernel, for issues involving 3.4.111-bananian kernel on your ARM board, ask whoever built it.
1607[14:40:29] <shtrb|laptop> oh , so I wasn't wrong ?
1608[14:40:57] <sputnikchen> @jelly: output from /varlog/messages
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1612[14:41:04] <yemanjalisa> larjona: ok
1613[14:41:34] <jelly> sputnikchen: I suggest reading replaced-url
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1615[14:42:12] <jelly> sputnikchen: you might also join #linux-sunxi channel, however beware it's primarily developer oriented
1616[14:43:02] <shtrb|laptop> Is there an iso or something I could check plasma 5.10 ?
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1618[14:43:08] <shtrb|laptop> sorry
1619[14:43:22] <jelly> sputnikchen: sadly, problems with drivers in vendor kernels are really outside of Debian's jurisdiction
1620[14:43:29] <sputnikchen> It's a new installed pc. only copied the image form bananian.org
1621[14:43:47] <jelly> sputnikchen: so ask bananian.org people.
1622[14:44:06] <jelly> or get Debian with Debian's kernel running.
1623[14:44:17] <jelly> or at least with upstream vanilla kernel.
1624[14:44:45] <sputnikchen> can I use it in my other pc: Linux my-pc 3.16.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.16.43-2 (2017-04-30) x86_64 GNU/Linux
1625[14:45:05] <jelly> sputnikchen: probably, try it and see?
1626[14:45:13] <sputnikchen> OK
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1629[14:45:44] <jelly> at the very least, this channel can provide _some_ support for that one.
1630[14:45:54] <jelly> because it looks like an actual Debian kernel
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1632[14:46:52] <towo^work> shtrb|laptop, kde neon ships plasma 5.10 beta
1633[14:47:22] <shtrb|laptop> just installed user version and it's 5.9.5
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1635[14:47:42] <towo^work> you have to use the developers edition
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1637[14:47:53] <towo^work> as you can read on their website
1638[14:47:55] <shtrb|laptop> oh , didn't think abot it
1639[14:47:56] <EyaA> D
1640[14:47:58] <EyaA> )
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1642[14:48:03] <EyaA> N)))
1643[14:48:07] <EyaA> L)))
1644[14:48:12] <EyaA> (
1645[14:48:14] <EyaA> )
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1648[14:48:50] <shtrb|laptop> towo^work , thanks (I should have realized that eearlier )
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1650[14:50:20] <BluesKaj> kde neon was disappointing...dunno what the hype is all about
1651[14:51:16] <shtrb|laptop> The only resason I'm looking into it , is updated packages didn't get into debian unstable yet
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1655[14:52:11] <shtrb|laptop> If only they have chose to use debian instead of ubuntu for their base system
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1660[14:53:57] <BluesKaj> shtrb|laptop, then they'd have to use stretch for kde/plasma 5
1661[14:54:36] <shtrb|laptop> that way , the missing packages would have been intreduced already :)
1662[14:54:57] <shtrb|laptop> we are still behind (on 16.04/08 ) on many packages
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1767[15:45:36] <Skyrider> Getting a bit sick of googling while I can't find the answer.. I did too many password attempts to login on SSH, and I'm locked out remotely now (connection refused) where is this lock saved and how to I lift it?
1768[15:45:45] <Skyrider> It's not in hosts.deny nor in the IPtables.. I can't find it.
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1770[15:46:14] <celyr> is fail2ban installed ?
1771[15:46:24] <Skyrider> Fresh installation (lite)
1772[15:46:26] <Skyrider> So nope.
1773[15:47:08] <coke> ssh restarted and it didnt like the config? ;)
1774[15:47:14] <coke> sshd*
1775[15:47:26] <celyr> yeah, there is no too many password attempts thing
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1778[15:47:46] <celyr> you can fail even 3423423423235998723918375 times and you will still get prompted
1779[15:47:49] <jelly> Skyrider: what does "iptables-save" say?
1780[15:48:05] <jelly> !paste
1781[15:48:05] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: replaced-url
1782[15:48:09] <Skyrider> It's kinda weird then that after 3/5 password attempts, putty kicked me out.
1783[15:48:13] <jelly> Skyrider: which debian release is this?
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1785[15:48:58] <jelly> what does "lite" in <Skyrider> Fresh installation (lite), mean?
1786[15:49:02] <celyr> Skyrider, this is standard but you can reconnect
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1789[15:50:05] <jelly> "connection refused" after a couple failed ssh logins is not standard
1790[15:50:13] <Skyrider> Raspbian, actually. I know I should ask it there, but no one is replying over there and it's kinda annoying me that I'm locked out of my own system. Plus, it's debian nontheless. SSH wise, it shouldn't matter much so I'd assume this would be a general question regarding linux. If you don't want me to ask further about it here, do tell. I would respect that.
1791[15:50:30] <jelly> ask in the right place, yes
1792[15:50:54] <jelly> if you can reproduce this behaviour on a debian installation we'll be glad to help
1793[15:51:13] <Skyrider> :), well.. guess I will reinstall then again.
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1795[15:51:22] <jelly> fixing bugs in some other distro is really not that interesting for me
1796[15:52:08] <jelly> Skyrider: serial console access on small boards is a big plus.
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1798[15:52:40] <jelly> consider investing in a $5 usb2serial lvttl (3.3V) adapter
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1800[15:52:50] <Skyrider> Just so you know. SSH did work, rebooted the system and reconnected to the terminal, it asked for a user/pass. After a few attempts, it kicked me out with connection refused. So I assumed it would have been a general linux thing.
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1802[15:53:34] <jelly> what was that assumption based on, 5 different distros behaving exactly like that?
1803[15:53:48] <petn-randall> Skyrider: It's not. But just pop out the SD card and inspect the logs on a Linux machine.
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1806[15:54:18] <jelly> in any case, if you have a r.pi 3 you can install actual debian
1807[15:54:23] <SweetPear> replaced-url
1808[15:54:30] <Skyrider> jelly: really?
1809[15:54:51] <Skyrider> And granted, though the distro's based on debian, are still quite similar.
1810[15:54:52] <jelly> actual debian armhf that is. yes.
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1812[15:54:59] <jelly> !raspbian
1813[15:54:59] <dpkg> Raspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use #raspbian on irc.freenode.net for support. replaced-url
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1816[15:55:18] <Skyrider> interesting, never knew there was an ARM release of debian.
1817[15:55:49] <Skyrider> Might grab that one.
1818[15:56:07] <petn-randall> SweetPear: Maybe? Try it and see.
1819[15:56:18] <petn-randall> SweetPear: Note that it doesn't add much security though.
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1821[15:56:28] <SweetPear> petn-randall, why is that?
1822[15:56:34] <Skyrider> Btw, I fixed it Jelly..
1823[15:56:39] <Skyrider> So.. simple.. it freaks me out :p
1824[15:57:09] <petn-randall> SweetPear: If someone boots from a live system and tries the nuke key, it will have no effect.
1825[15:57:25] <jelly> Skyrider: replaced-url
1826[15:57:36] <SweetPear> petn-randall, that's not really the point anyways
1827[15:57:52] <Skyrider> Why only rp3 btw?
1828[15:57:53] <jelly> Skyrider: also, #debian-arm channel over on irc.debian.org (= irc.oftc.net)
1829[15:57:56] <SweetPear> petn-randall, it's the ability to easily empty the keyslots
1830[15:58:04] <SweetPear> petn-randall, (for me)
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1833[15:58:25] <petn-randall> SweetPear: There's probably a scenario somewhere where it would help.
1834[15:58:33] <jelly> Skyrider: 1 and 2 have seriously outdated arm cpu.
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1836[15:59:07] <jelly> first r.pi instruction set was outdated 5-10 years the second it was out
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1841[16:02:35] <Skyrider> ouch
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1885[16:31:54] <SweetPear> petn-randall, it errors when I try to build the package
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1888[16:34:40] <jelly> SweetPear: did you follow package rebuild recipe
1889[16:34:46] <jelly> dpkg, tell SweetPear about package rebuild
1890[16:35:35] <jelly> apply custom patches before step 5)
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1897[16:38:43] <mutedsigh> hey all. I'm currently testing a large batch of SATA drives and I was wondering if there is any way to force linux to rescan all SATA drives connected. I have the BIOS set to AHCI mode and hot swapping is part of the spec but I want something fool proof. I've already tried partprobe. Is there anything else that I can try?
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1916[16:46:02] <celyr> what do you mean by rescan ?
1917[16:46:59] <petn-randall> They're probably asking for the S-ATA equivalent of 'echo "- - -" > /sys/class/scsi_host/host0/scan'
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1920[16:47:26] <jelly> petn-randall: it's exactly the same.
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1922[16:47:57] <mutedsigh> celyr, I'm not sure what the technical term is but I'm basically wanting to know if I can force the kernel to take another look at the state of each and every SATA port and determine whether or not a drive is connected
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1924[16:48:28] <celyr> mutedsigh, that's
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1926[16:48:39] <celyr> well it basically doesn't work
1927[16:48:39] <jelly> mutedsigh: however, if you know you're going to unplug a device, you should tell the kernel it's safe to do so and to spin it down first.
1928[16:48:57] <celyr> or better not all controllers will be happy about that
1929[16:49:04] <jelly> done with echo 1 > /sys/block/sdX/device/delete
1930[16:49:09] <celyr> most of consumer grade will not be happy
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1933[16:49:35] <celyr> hdparm offers a lot of tools to help you out
1934[16:49:43] <jelly> celyr: if it's SATA2 or later it _has_ to support hotplug.
1935[16:49:47] <petn-randall> The spec just requires that the drive is powered before plugging to S-ATA, then it should work™.
1936[16:49:48] <mutedsigh> would these messages potentially damage the drive? I'm not writing data to them Its like connected for maybe two minutes while I get some SMART data and determine what's trash and what isn't.
1937[16:50:16] <celyr> jelly, didn't know it was required ?
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1941[16:50:57] <jelly> mutedsigh: in general no, but I/O is interrupted and some drives have buggy firmware in some specific situations
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1946[16:52:09] <mutedsigh> jelly, hmm...well with the sheer amount of hard drives I need to test I'll have to take my chances.
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1948[16:52:17] <mutedsigh> thanks celyr and jelly
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1951[16:53:17] <petn-randall> mutedsigh: I wouldn't worry about the drives. Just keep an eye on the dmesg output ("tail -f /var/log/kern.log") to ensure your SATA controller doesn't bug out.
1952[16:53:29] <jelly> mutedsigh: at least the drives with sata power plugs (not molex!) are designed to be able to survive hot plugging of power and sata
1953[16:53:30] <petn-randall> mutedsigh: If it does, it should fix itself to reboot.
1954[16:54:07] <celyr> I don't have any recent experience but last time I tried controller was pretty pissed off of hotplugging
1955[16:54:43] <mutedsigh> petn-randall, thank you for the advice. I'll make sure to keep an eye on the logs
1956[16:55:07] <mutedsigh> jelly, definitely not molex connectors. I'm working for a computer recycling center. If its not SATA its sold as scrap
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1958[16:55:39] <jelly> there are older sata disk drives with molex power and sata
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1960[16:56:09] <mutedsigh> jelly, I've seen those. definitely everything that's being looked it is only sata power
1961[16:56:35] <mutedsigh> actually got my hands on an old powerbook G4 with one of those powerpc cpus in it. thinking of running debian on it. couldn't stand to see it being scrapped. bought it from my boss for $20 (USD)
1962[16:56:50] <jelly> very slow.
1963[16:57:09] <jelly> even G5 are sluggish with modern distros
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1967[16:57:36] <jelly> might be usable as a router/firewall or something
1968[16:57:38] <mutedsigh> jelly, even with a barebones Debian setup running something light like i3 or openbox?
1969[16:57:54] <jelly> sure, run i3, but not a web browser :-)
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1971[16:58:24] <mutedsigh> jelly, oh no, I'm not a masochist. maybe a simple terminal audio player but that's it.
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1973[16:58:40] <jelly> !ppc
1974[16:58:40] <dpkg> PowerPC is a <RISC> architecture (replaced-url
1975[16:59:10] <jelly> they may be some people in that channel
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1982[17:02:08] <mutedsigh> thanks again for the info. I appreciate it :)
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1996[17:11:17] <BluesKaj> I have real problem with debian not recognixing the HDD that has grub installed. It's listed as /dev/sda and debian even manages to turn off the HDD's recognition in the BIOS. If I manage to boot into debian and suspend it, then when i unlock it , the drive is listed in the file manger, but it shows as being empty. When i try to mount it the not listed in /etc/fstab error shows up.
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2000[17:13:22] <Tactical_Chicken> maybe not enough power to hdd
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2002[17:13:37] <Tactical_Chicken> make sure it has power
2003[17:13:52] <Tactical_Chicken> is it installed hdd or usb?
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2005[17:14:25] <BluesKaj> it's a sata connected HDD
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2007[17:14:39] <jelly> BluesKaj: what kind of a machine is this, desktop, laptop?
2008[17:15:18] <BluesKaj> jelly, it's an older HP desktop using the old style BIOS
2009[17:15:27] <jelly> BluesKaj: latest bios flashed?
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2012[17:16:20] <BluesKaj> I couldn't find newer one than thePhoenix Award BIOS it came with
2013[17:16:48] <Tactical_Chicken> switch it to ide mode in bios and see what happens
2014[17:16:49] <jhutchins_wk> BluesKaj: This does not sound like a software problem.
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2016[17:16:54] <jelly> BluesKaj: pastebin the output of "dmidecode"
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2019[17:17:38] <Tactical_Chicken> is SATA native on the motherboard or are you using an addon card?
2020[17:18:57] <Tactical_Chicken> you could also unplug power from cd/dvd drive and see if that helps.....hdd could be under powered
2021[17:19:27] <jelly> and/or the power supply could be wonky
2022[17:19:30] <BluesKaj> Tactical_Chicken, it has plenty of power
2023[17:19:35] <Tactical_Chicken> yup
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2025[17:20:54] <Tactical_Chicken> well if sata is native then go into bios and see if it ahci or ide...switch it to ide.....the older sata 1 on older boards were wonky as hell
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2027[17:21:35] <Tactical_Chicken> HP= Having Problems
2028[17:21:52] <Tactical_Chicken> DELL = Don't Expect Long Life
2029[17:21:54] <Tactical_Chicken> heh
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2031[17:22:31] <BluesKaj> jelly, replaced-url
2032[17:22:56] <BluesKaj> Tactical_Chicken, so you're a comedian ..well bully for you
2033[17:23:11] <Tactical_Chicken> heh....
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2039[17:24:15] <Tactical_Chicken> you wanna see comedy? here: check the jumpers on sata drive and make sure it is set to Master....lol
2040[17:24:35] <BluesKaj> no jumpers
2041[17:24:43] <Tactical_Chicken> i know....lol
2042[17:24:55] <TyrfingMjolnir> Which package contains chroot?
2043[17:24:55] <BluesKaj> ha ha ha
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2047[17:27:22] <Tactical_Chicken> anyhoo...... it doesn't hurt to unplug unnecessary drives/peripherals just so you can rule out power issue....I have had similar issues all due to either a bad psu or a low current output psu
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2049[17:27:36] <Tactical_Chicken> doesnt hurt to try it just to be sure
2050[17:28:41] <BluesKaj> Tactical_Chicken, already did that
2051[17:28:45] <Tactical_Chicken> when you put it into suspend it reduces power consumption....and it shows up when you wake it...then drops power again.....sooooo unplug non-essential drives
2052[17:28:53] <Tactical_Chicken> oh
2053[17:29:02] <Tactical_Chicken> hhmmm bummer
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2056[17:29:49] <Tactical_Chicken> did you check bios and try it in ide mode?
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2059[17:31:23] <jvelasquez> If I'm booting up off dhcp/PXE/boot using my own initrd image and passing "root=/dev/nfs nfsroot=10.0.0.1:/nfsroot", to setup the rootfs over NFS, then does anyone have any ideas why systemd can't boot, or why I might have tty issues, or dbus, or logind issues?
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2063[17:32:46] <Tactical_Chicken> you mentioned that you think your bios is getting changed...older system bios' dont get access from os.....maybe your coin battery on motherboard is bad....they are only good for 5 years
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2066[17:33:11] <BluesKaj> the OSs are on a ssd , and grub is on the HDD which also contains my media files and other backup data ..grub is also installed to the ssd , just in case of hdd failure,. The HDD is first in the drive boot sequen.ce
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2069[17:35:14] <Tactical_Chicken> you could try clearing bios/cmos by unplugging power and popping out battery then hold power button down for 5 seconds and put battery in and power it up.....then go into bios and see if date and time resets to default
2070[17:35:33] <Tactical_Chicken> oh my bad...nvm
2071[17:35:36] <Tactical_Chicken> lol
2072[17:35:51] <Tactical_Chicken> that will reset bios.....maybe it is corrupt
2073[17:35:57] <Tactical_Chicken> it happens
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2076[17:36:47] <Tactical_Chicken> you'll have to reconfig bios but it is worth a shot
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2080[17:37:36] <Tactical_Chicken> anyway...good luck...hope you fix it.....
2081[17:37:40] <BluesKaj> it's odd that once the HDD is recognized in the BIOS ican boot into Kubuntu Artful and not see the same conditions that occur after putting debian into suspend
2082[17:37:45] * Tactical_Chicken has fingers crossed for you
2083[17:38:28] <Tactical_Chicken> oh .... so only debian is doing this? other os's are fine?
2084[17:39:15] <BluesKaj> well, appreciate your suggestions Tactical_Chicken, yes , only debian has this condition, no other
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2090[17:40:21] <Tactical_Chicken> damn.....well yur in the right channel...heh.....i need to learn more about debian as well.....your welcome....damn...wished i could be of more help
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2097[17:42:38] <Tactical_Chicken> am curious tho.... are you running the new 8.8 Jessie?
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2104[17:44:12] * R3V3R there we go.....easier for ya'll instead of typing out Tactical_Chicken
2105[17:44:15] <R3V3R> lol
2106[17:44:42] <BluesKaj> BBL
2107[17:44:45] <R3V3R> k
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2110[17:45:17] <jhutchins_wk> R3V3R: I seldom type more than two letters before I tab complete.
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2113[17:45:55] <R3V3R> ah
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2118[17:47:21] <R3V3R> you know that saying "use it or lose it?" ..... well I feel such like a noob on irc .....i used to be able to have my way with it and then i took an 8-9 year break and I barely remembered nickserv
2119[17:47:24] <R3V3R> lol
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2140[17:54:59] <R3V3R> well......gonna make live 8.8 Jesse stick....
2141[17:55:00] <R3V3R> bbl
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2154[18:01:46] <Expression93> I get an error from insserv about LSB defaults when I try running "update-rc.d apache2 disable". How can I resolve this? I don't want it to autostart as I use nginx.
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2166[18:08:00] <Expression93> Actually, having checked with chkconfig all (0-6) are reported as off, but my server just started and it still run at startup?
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2172[18:10:10] <jelly> Expression93: which debian release are you on?
2173[18:10:44] <Expression93> jelly: Description: Debian GNU/Linux 8.8 (jessie)
2174[18:11:25] <jelly> Expression93: to stop a service from starting under systemd, do something like "systemctl mask apache2"
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2177[18:11:52] <jelly> s/stop/prevent/
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2179[18:12:05] <Expression93> jelly: that returned Created symlink from /etc/systemd/system/apache2.service to /dev/null.
2180[18:12:09] <Expression93> That all good now?
2181[18:12:21] <jelly> right, so it ought to get ignored at next reboot
2182[18:12:35] <jelly> if it's started right now you still have to stop it manually
2183[18:12:53] <Expression93> Yeah already did that.
2184[18:13:01] <Expression93> Thanks jelly
2185[18:13:24] <jelly> consider uninstalling services you don't plan to run
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2192[18:17:46] <Violinist> hey umm wats the diff between crt and pem
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2195[18:18:11] <Violinist> i thot ssl programs can take both
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2199[18:19:22] <jelly> Violinist: they can have same content inside. The extension is not really relevant.
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2201[18:19:49] <Expression93> jelly: Forgive me for the really silly question, but other than saving space there further reason to uninstall it?
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2203[18:20:04] <Expression93> I'm an newbie when it comes to debian and linux in general, let alone servers.
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2205[18:20:15] <Expression93> *is therew
2206[18:20:23] <jelly> Expression93: why did you install it at all?
2207[18:20:27] <Violinist> jelly, have you worked with pound
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2209[18:20:35] <jelly> Violinist: nope
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2211[18:20:50] <Violinist> i tried plugging in the self signed cert into it
2212[18:20:59] <Violinist> where by default it takes a pem
2213[18:21:05] <Expression93> It was installed by my host when I had the server, as I use SYS (OVH). Initially I was going to use it until I decided to play with nginx instead.
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2216[18:23:05] <jelly> Expression93: if you have to manage an installation yourself, it makes sense to only keep installed the set of software you actually use, less patches to download, less worries down the line of you pass control to some other admin or if you do a release upgrade next Debian release happens
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2221[18:23:35] <Expression93> Fair point, thanks jelly
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2227[18:24:44] <jelly> Violinist: when you say "self signed" that usually means providing both the key and the certificate. Many apps accept putting both in a single file. If you name that file .crt, then it's not technically just a "crt" inside
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2231[18:25:14] <Violinist> yeah i made crt and key
2232[18:25:24] <Violinist> but it takes a pem
2233[18:25:50] <jelly> most likely you just cat your.key your.crt > your.pem
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2236[18:26:34] <Violinist> i tried just plugging crt in but it wont stars
2237[18:27:04] <Violinist> i guess i can try combining it
2238[18:27:04] <jelly> if it's a service of some sort you need to give it both.
2239[18:27:15] <Violinist> its like apache
2240[18:27:22] <Violinist> but apache takes key and cert
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2243[18:27:41] <jelly> and they can both be in one file for apache.
2244[18:27:49] <jelly> or separate.
2245[18:28:04] <Violinist> ah
2246[18:28:12] <Violinist> so its the same thing
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2252[18:30:24] <jelly> if your key file starts with a "-----BEGIN PRIVATE KEY-----" line and your certificate file starts with a "-----BEGIN CERTIFICATE-----" then they're both already in pem format and you can concat both into one file and try using that
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2255[18:31:15] <jelly> if one or both of those are some binary mumbo jumbo crap, then you have to convert them to pem, first
2256[18:31:17] <Violinist> i vaguely remember doing somethign like this before
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2258[18:31:34] <Violinist> no never seen binary
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2262[18:33:12] <amflir> why stretch sucks?
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2266[18:34:23] <spacebug^> I'm reading about LXC. I'm currently on Jessie. If I make a container now, that needs privilege, can I change that to unprivilege when Strech come out?
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2287[18:42:37] <spacebug^> when replaced-url
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2291[18:44:26] <Brigo> spacebug^, some random
2292[18:44:34] <spacebug^> ok, thanks
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2297[18:45:32] <spacebug^> Brigo: do you also know if I can create a priliviged container now with Jessie and then make it an unpriviliged container with Stretch? Or are that two different types of containers from the start?
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2299[18:46:01] <Brigo> spacebug^, i would guess you can do it, but really not sure.
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2302[18:46:13] <spacebug^> Brigo: ok
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2448[19:48:57] <velix> How many times does Debian's systemd default config try to launch a service until it gives up?
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2455[19:53:26] <alekz> I hate this 4.9 kernel bug with realtek wireless cards :/
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2467[19:59:07] <spacebug^> bah, can't get the container to start. Network error. My .config/lxc/defalt.conf => replaced-url
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2496[20:07:32] <userpc00000001> Hi there, I need to know how I could tell the system to automatically format a partition everytime it boots up. Can this be done with the init scripts somehow? I would prefer a clean way to do this (i.e. doing it through /etc/rc.local is kinda dirty)
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2510[20:13:20] <ananteris> is there a way to make dpkg-buildpackage emit deterministic debian packages? I've tried exporting SOURCE_DATE_EPOCH before running it but tar will still include whatever mtime timestamps the fs has
2511[20:13:55] <ananteris> some stuff online mentions it setting the date to debian/changelog, but that exists and its still not the correct mtime
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2514[20:15:31] <SweetPear> replaced-url
2515[20:15:41] <SweetPear> jelly, ^
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2518[20:15:55] <pie3> anyone use nfs mount?
2519[20:16:12] <pie3> what is its benefit in home networking/syncronizing files?
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2527[20:21:33] <ksk> not sure if nfs it the thing for home filesharing ;)
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2532[20:23:35] <jhutchins_wk> userpc00000001: Why do you want to do this? What do you hope to achieve?
2533[20:24:27] <ksk> userpc00000001: you setup a systemd unit to do a task (or call a script wich does the task) and then setup a systemd.timer to use that unit
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2535[20:24:48] <ksk> but what are you trying to do in the first place? formating a disk on bootup sounds strange
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2540[20:27:12] <userpc00000001> ksk: I used to do it with /etc/crypttab . It is a cool way to do this because it automatically creates a new ext2 fs everytime you boot up and, being executed before, /etc/fstab you avoid potentially troublesome race conditions (i.e. that /etc/fstab is executed before the filesystem has been created) from happening at boot time. I would like to do the same but without using /etc/crypttab, that is, t
2541[20:27:18] <userpc00000001> he partition does not need to be encrypted, just reformatted everytime you boot up.
2542[20:27:44] <greycat> Why do you want a brand new ext2 file system every time you boot?
2543[20:28:03] <userpc00000001> greycat: that's irrelevant to my question
2544[20:28:07] <teclo-> perhaps he wants to format /tmp at every boot ? *shrug*
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2546[20:28:45] <greycat> Wouldn't it be easier to make /tmp a tmpfs?
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2550[20:29:34] <ananteris> aww shit... SOURCE_DATE_EPOCH is in dpkg 1.18.8... ubuntu is 1.18.4
2551[20:29:39] <greycat> In any case, the obvious answer to the utterly insane and explicitly UNjustified request would be "don't put it in fstab".
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2553[20:30:22] <greycat> Make a service to format and mount it, which runs later in the boot.
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2557[20:31:55] <userpc00000001> greycat: That's what I was thinking, but hoping there was an easier way such as editing a config file to do it automatically.
2558[20:32:07] <greycat> The easier way is not to do it AT ALL.
2559[20:32:17] <greycat> Just make a friggin' file system, once, and mount it via fstab normally.
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2561[20:33:18] <ChmEarl> anateris is gone, but his dpkg version works in Stretch and Zesty
2562[20:33:25] <userpc00000001> greycat: I am not interested in chatting about whether you agree or disagree with what I want to do. Do you know a way to do this? Fine, tell me if you want. You don't know? Fine, don't say anything then.
2563[20:33:39] <greycat> *plonk*
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2567[20:33:51] <greycat> Idiot.
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2569[20:34:40] <userpc00000001> Thanks, now, don't waste my time.
2570[20:35:19] <n4dir> folks here are often not interested in chatting about completely stupid questions. So please don't waste our time.
2571[20:35:47] <missmbob> or chatting with stupid nicks
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2573[20:36:05] <greycat> Or being insulted when we try to unravel the insane requests and get at the actual underlying ISSUE.
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2578[20:38:28] <greycat> And yes, we recognize that "Ohhh, you DON'T KNOW? Then SHUT UP!" is an insult. Not even thinly veiled. It is smug and arrogant and condescending and utterly repulsive.
2579[20:38:43] <userpc00000001> If you don't know how to do X, nobody forces you to say how to do X. Asking why I want to do X and making value judgements about it is not something I have asked for.
2580[20:38:47] <n4dir> me seems to recall a X-Y problem info from the bot (for sure in bash). So yup: telling what one wants to do, the underlying issue, instead of the possible solution, is at minimum *** good manners *** (and the best approach to get a good answer).
2581[20:39:00] <n4dir> now comes the plonk from here. all is said.
2582[20:39:16] <greycat> replaced-url
2583[20:39:24] <n4dir> thanks, greycat
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2587[20:40:55] <wyre> I'm having got a radeon graphic error acceleration in Debian Jessie
2588[20:40:57] <wyre> any ideA?
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2590[20:42:15] <greycat> Which graphics chipset, and what is the error?
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2594[20:45:34] <Nikfarjam> Hi, I have a question ragarding dual booting with windows as stated in replaced-url
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2601[20:47:38] <Nikfarjam> The page mentions the order doesn't matter on GPT. Do I still create ext4 and NTFS partitions on the disk before using the installation media? is /boot shared with debian and windows? how many ext4 and how many NTFS partitions should I create beforehand?
2602[20:48:02] <greycat> Windows does not use /boot.
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2604[20:48:28] <greycat> Personally I would still install Windows first, let it do whatever the hell it does, then clean up the mess when you install Debian second.
2605[20:49:32] <Nikfarjam> so not cut out an NTFS partition for it first to make sure it doesn't use up the whole unallocated disk?
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2607[20:50:16] <greycat> I'm not very familiar with the Windows installation options. If you can't install into a smaller-than-whole-disk partition in the first place, you can shrink it in the Debian installer.
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2617[20:55:44] <Nikfarjam> ah greycat you can choose how much space you allocate to windows from unallocated space in the installer
2618[20:55:59] <Nikfarjam> looks like it's somewhat advanced : - )
2619[20:56:25] <greycat> Must be a new feature since the last time I did a Windows install, 20-however many years ago.
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2621[20:57:37] <jhutchins_wk> Nikfarjam: For Debian (any linux really) I would recommend just two partitions: Swap and /. Until you know where in the filesystem you're going to use up space anything else is just asking for trouble.
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2624[20:58:28] <jhutchins_wk> Nikfarjam: You inevitably end up out of space on one partition when you have plenty of space on another.
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2627[20:59:16] <Nikfarjam> jhutchins_wk: isn't that why lvm was created?
2628[20:59:26] <greycat> LVM is a good choice if you're ready for that.
2629[20:59:51] <Nikfarjam> I wouldn't see why anyone wouldn't be :s
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2631[21:00:20] <jhutchins_wk> Nikfarjam: You can resize partitions without lvm, but there are very few reasons to partition in the first place (most people don't know the reasons and most won't encounter them).
2632[21:01:14] <jhutchins_wk> Nikfarjam: It's one more thing to go wrong, a layer between the OS and the disk, it does affect performance (although normal users won't see the difference).
2633[21:01:35] <greycat> Completely depends on what the system is going to be used for.
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2640[21:03:36] <jhutchins_wk> One good reason to use LVM is to learn the system in case you end up working at a place that uses it.
2641[21:03:54] <Nikfarjam> or when you change your mind a lot
2642[21:04:01] <greycat> Another is because you want to use it to make file system snapshots so you can do backups.
2643[21:04:16] <jhutchins_wk> greycat: I can't do backups with rdiff?
2644[21:05:02] <jhutchins_wk> Here we use it to assemble partitions out of lots of too-small virtual disks.
2645[21:05:19] <jhutchins_wk> When the partition gets full, we add another too-small disk.
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2666[21:29:27] <spacebug^> now I'm having this problem with LXC => replaced-url
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2669[21:32:17] <teraflops> spacebug^: many people (including myself) will thank you if you use another pastebin, e.g replaced-url
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2671[21:34:34] <spacebug^> teraflops: ok, here goes replaced-url
2672[21:34:47] <teraflops> spacebug^: thank you
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2675[21:35:35] <dsc_> what VPN client to use on debian jessie, lxde
2676[21:35:46] <dsc_> i need pptp
2677[21:35:58] <dsc_> I did:
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2679[21:35:59] <dsc_> sudo apt-get install network-manager-openvpn network-manager-pptp network-manager-pptp-gnome network-manager-vpnc
2680[21:36:13] <dsc_> but `sudo network-admin` doesnt show a vpn tab
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2682[21:37:13] <dsc_> nvm the option appeared after reboot
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2695[21:43:09] <newlinux> Hi guys, where do I find the live debian with ATI drivers on it?
2696[21:43:19] <newlinux> There was a akward list, no?
2697[21:43:42] <greycat> There's a #debian-live channel on OFTC. They might know.
2698[21:44:20] <newlinux> greycat: no users in that channel
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2701[21:44:49] <greycat> Wrong. I see 59 users. You didn't read the "on OFTC" part, did you.
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2703[21:45:15] <newlinux> greycat: What is OFTC? And why could I not ask here?
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2705[21:45:42] <greycat> !oftc
2706[21:45:42] <dpkg> OFTC is the Open and Free Technology Community, a support/collaboration service. They have an IRC network: irc.oftc.net. You may be connected to OFTC's network. replaced-url
2707[21:45:53] <greycat> You can ask here, but it's not likely that any of us will know.
2708[21:46:18] <BluesKaj> greycat, I tried some those debian chats on oftc...unfortuntely not very populated or helpful
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2718[21:50:19] <AlexPortable> Is it safer to use groups where you add users to and give those permissions? or list explicit users in services (for example ssh)
2719[21:50:21] <nstr> newlinux: irc.oftc.net
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2727[21:52:08] <SuperTramp83> newlinux, I believe this is what you are searching for replaced-url
2728[21:52:28] <alekz> newlinux: as you can read in the topic, that's the channel for testing/experimental, that's why you shouldn't ask here.
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2730[21:53:15] <velix> "apt-get purge" is buggy! "/etc/influxdb is not empty and will not get removed" ... great.
2731[21:53:31] <greycat> Why do you think this is a bug?
2732[21:53:44] <velix> greycat: Isn't purge like "remove all the config files" ?
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2735[21:53:55] <greycat> purging a package removes the config files that actually came from that package, but NOT other files in the same directory that were created by you
2736[21:54:12] <SuperTramp83> I was told each time your kernel loads a proprietary blob a cat dies :( Buy decent hardware!!
2737[21:54:14] <greycat> Then it helpfully warns you that it can't remove this directory, because there's some random file in it that it knows nothing about.
2738[21:54:16] <velix> greycat: Is there a way to remove the directories anyway? I want this.
2739[21:54:25] <greycat> man rm
2740[21:54:28] <velix> greycat: sure ...
2741[21:54:33] <OaKLeY> hey fellas
2742[21:54:38] <velix> greycat: then I need to parse apt's output.
2743[21:54:52] <greycat> OH MY GOD
2744[21:54:54] <OaKLeY> I have over 100 files in CI which i would like to make copy in the same directory to similar file name but this time Ucfirst.. e.g would like to copy aaa to Aaa, bbb to Bbb, ccc to Ccc... Anyone know linux command for this? Need to do this recursively for subfolders too.
2745[21:54:56] <greycat> THE HORROR
2746[21:55:21] <velix> greycat: oh, interesting. The service (influxd) is still running.
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2748[21:55:32] <velix> I thought, apt-get purge would stop & uninstall it.
2749[21:56:04] <greycat> *shrug*
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2751[21:56:13] <greycat> I know nothing about this package and/or service.
2752[21:56:43] <velix> greycat: but normally, services should get stopped before uninstalling, shouldn't they?
2753[21:57:01] <greycat> Probably? It's not a thing I do very often.
2754[21:57:18] <velix> greycat: me not, too. That's why I am confused.
2755[21:57:21] <greycat> Is it something started by systemd? Or is it a line in inetd.conf? Or...?
2756[21:57:34] <velix> greycat: what's not done by systemd these days?
2757[21:57:59] <greycat> As I said, I do not know this package, or how the service is launched.
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2759[21:58:37] <greycat> OaKLeY: for file in *; do cp -- "$file" "${file^}"; done
2760[21:58:45] <greycat> assuming bash 4.x
2761[21:59:14] <OaKLeY> greycat: thnx mate
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2763[21:59:37] <velix> greycat: rm -rf / worked for me.
2764[21:59:40] <greycat> For the recursive bit, do "shopt -s globstar" and use ** instead of *
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2767[22:00:33] <thecha> if i want to add an external usb hdd to mount at boot can i mount two partitions of it indepently?
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2772[22:00:48] <thecha> like one as a ntfs another as an vfat?
2773[22:00:53] <hanshenrik> anyone know what happened to libsslcommon2-dev ? its in oldstable and unstable.. but not stable nor testing
2774[22:01:03] <greycat> thecha: yes, if the device *has* two partitions.
2775[22:01:09] <AlexPortable> Whats up with libv8 ?
2776[22:01:21] <greycat> ,v libsslcommon2-dev
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2779[22:02:02] <judd> Package: libsslcommon2-dev on amd64 -- wheezy: 0.16-6+deb7u1; sid: 0.16-9
2780[22:02:17] <greycat> !why is libsslcommon2-dev not in testing
2781[22:02:17] <dpkg> libsslcommon2-dev is not in testing for the reasons listed in replaced-url
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2783[22:02:45] <hanshenrik> !why is libsslcommon2-dev not in stable
2784[22:02:45] <dpkg> hanshenrik: what are you talking about?
2785[22:02:49] <thecha> greycat so if i give the partitions via fdisk i should be fine? and the type of the mount is based on the fstab? is it possible that adding 0 3 or causing trouble?
2786[22:02:55] <thecha> because it is checkign for botoable?
2787[22:03:08] <hanshenrik> >No excuse for libsslcommon2-dev
2788[22:03:08] <thecha> if i put 0 0 will it not considerable as bootably?
2789[22:03:09] <greycat> Maybe the better question is 'why is it still in sid'
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2791[22:03:32] <hanshenrik> !why is libsslcommon2-dev still in sid?
2792[22:03:33] <dpkg> hanshenrik: what are you talking about?
2793[22:03:35] <hanshenrik> lel
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2795[22:03:49] <greycat> thecha: if it's a USB device you probably want the noauto option, so the system will still boot when it's not connected.
2796[22:04:01] <thecha> oh ok thanks
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2798[22:04:27] <greycat> (Unless you really do intend to leave it permanently attached.)
2799[22:04:59] <SuperTramp83> rm -rf / always works :P
2800[22:05:02] <thecha> #/dev/sda1 /media/server/external-hdd ntfs uid=33,gid=33,umask=027,noauto 0 3
2801[22:05:07] <thecha> would this work?
2802[22:05:13] <greycat> Ironically, it rarely completes successfully.
2803[22:05:43] <greycat> thecha: using "sda1" is a very bad idea. The device name is likely to change. Identify the flie systems by UUID or label.
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2805[22:06:39] <thecha> oh ok thanks again
2806[22:06:46] <feliks> is there a way in apt to display the packages to be installed/updates vertically instead of horizontally? maybe even with some more additional information?
2807[22:06:55] <thecha> so noauto will prevent any boot problems
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2809[22:07:10] <greycat> thecha: noauto means the system *will boot* even if the device is missing.
2810[22:07:14] <thecha> that helps a lot that will allow me to try out things without restoring from back up several times
2811[22:07:20] <greycat> Otherwise, a missing fstab device halts the boot.
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2813[22:07:38] <thecha> but it doesnt mean it will boot if the device is present but the fstab entry is false r causing problems?
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2815[22:07:46] <hanshenrik> SuperTramp83, replaced-url
2816[22:07:47] <greycat> man fstab
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2818[22:09:05] <hanshenrik> `rm -rfv /proc` didn't work
2819[22:09:22] <greycat> 16:05 greycat> Ironically, it rarely completes successfully.
2820[22:09:23] <SuperTramp83> hanshenrik, you forgot 'sudo'.
2821[22:09:28] <thecha> greycat→ ty!
2822[22:09:41] <teraflops> hanshenrik SuperTramp83 please avoid those commands in a public channel
2823[22:09:59] <jhutchins_wk> thecha: I think you need a clearer understanding of the whole process of provisioning and configuring a partition.
2824[22:10:30] <SuperTramp83> teraflops, the guy is asking how to remove /proc. I'm a helpful guy
2825[22:10:42] <jhutchins_wk> thecha: You partition the disk (gpart or fdisk), you label the partitions with the filesystem type, you then make the filesystems of the correct type, then you configure the mountpoint in fstab.
2826[22:10:50] <hanshenrik> teraflops, why? it didn't do _anything_, every single line was a permission operation not permitted error
2827[22:11:01] <hanshenrik> ...something like that
2828[22:11:13] <jhutchins_wk> thecha: The label in the partition table doesn't actually do much of anything in linux, but it's good to have it and have it correct.
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2830[22:11:32] <hanshenrik> SuperTramp83, no i didnt, i ran it as root
2831[22:12:00] <greycat> OaKLeY: DO NOT MSG PEOPLE FOR HELP
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2833[22:12:10] <hanshenrik> oahong, except greycat
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2835[22:12:27] <greycat> OaKLeY: Ask your questions in the channel.
2836[22:12:58] <OaKLeY> OaKLeY: for file in *; do cp -- "$file" "${^file}"; done ?
2837[22:13:06] <OaKLeY> what if i want to copy from Aaa to aaa ?
2838[22:13:28] <greycat> "${file,,}" if you want to lowercase the whole thing, "${file,}" to lowercase only the first letter. man bash
2839[22:13:48] <greycat> Also see replaced-url
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2841[22:13:56] <OaKLeY> oh ok.
2842[22:13:57] <OaKLeY> thnx
2843[22:14:16] <teraflops> hanshenrik: type mount and grep for proc ^
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2849[22:14:58] <hanshenrik> teraflops, replaced-url
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2851[22:15:24] <teraflops> hanshenrik: I know what is says
2852[22:15:36] <teraflops> s/is/it
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2854[22:15:50] <riesenhammer> servus
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2856[22:15:54] <riesenhammer> do you have debian installed?
2857[22:16:01] <riesenhammer> it will make linux great again
2858[22:16:08] <hanshenrik> how?
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2863[22:16:39] <riesenhammer> i love debian linux
2864[22:16:46] <riesenhammer> it's great
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2867[22:17:14] <greycat> Yes yes, it will build a package and make Microsoft pay for it. We get it. Now stop spamming.
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2876[22:18:58] <riesenhammer> ich bin geil wie hure
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2878[22:19:28] <neilthereildeil> how can i add a new entry to grub.cfg from debian?
2879[22:20:03] <neilthereildeil> i know the file is generated, so i wanna add it the correct way
2880[22:20:23] <neilthereildeil> so that when i run update-grub next, it doesnt overwrite my direct changes to grub.cfg
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2883[22:20:39] <neilthereildeil> any ideas?
2884[22:20:51] <teraflops> neilthereildeil: put it in /etc/grub.d
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2886[22:21:42] <neilthereildeil> teraflops: just the raw grub entry in a file?
2887[22:21:43] <jhutchins_wk> I would think /etc/defaults/grub
2888[22:21:50] <teraflops> neilthereildeil: nope
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2891[22:23:09] <jhutchins_wk> neilthereildeil: /etc/default/grub - then update-grub.
2892[22:23:34] <jhutchins_wk> neilthereildeil: I think teraflops wants you to write a macro to add the entry .
2893[22:23:48] <neilthereildeil> i have the exact text i want
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2896[22:24:42] <teraflops> neilthereildeil: look at /etc/grub.d/40_custom file
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2901[22:26:10] <thurin> I'm going to install debian on an old macbookpro (2,2). Would you recommend Jessie, Stretch or Sid? It's for tinkering with and setting up a python dev environment for my son.
2902[22:26:10] <neilthereildeil> jhutchins_wk: etc/default/grub seems like config for grub itself, not for adding new entries. it seems like 40_custom can have new entries
2903[22:27:04] <teraflops> neilthereildeil: just look inside that file^
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2911[22:31:15] <jhutchins_wk> neilthereildeil: Thank you, I did look at that file and understand it better now.
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2914[22:32:04] <teraflops> neilthereildeil: the file content is pretty self explanatory
2915[22:32:43] <jhutchins_wk> teraflops: Er, thanks to you actually.
2916[22:33:00] <feliks> is there a way in apt to display the packages to be installed/updates vertically instead of horizontally? maybe even with some more additional information?
2917[22:33:08] <feliks> there exists VerbosePkgLists but only in pacman :(
2918[22:33:28] <neilthereildeil> ok, i just added the custom entry to 40_custom
2919[22:33:34] <neilthereildeil> now just update-grub, right?
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2922[22:33:49] <jhutchins_wk> neilthereildeil: Right.
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2925[22:34:21] <jhutchins_wk> It's pretty cool how fast a vbox debian system boots.
2926[22:35:16] <feliks> also yum seems to list packages vertical and more verbose by default
2927[22:35:38] <teraflops> jhutchins_wk: np
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2930[22:37:00] <neilthereildeil> thanks guys.
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2932[22:37:40] <jhutchins_wk> feliks: You might want to look at apt-get and aptitude and see if either of those do what you like. You can probably vary the output; check the respective man pages.
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2939[22:40:51] <feliks> jhutchins_wk: thanks. already did for apt-get. there exists apt-get -V which will generate output like this
2940[22:40:53] <feliks> replaced-url
2941[22:41:08] <feliks> but id be more happy with a tabular layout. will look into aptitude
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2956[22:44:32] <x86iac> anyone know where the petition is to deop jelly? I was told it had already been signed by 38 people from here
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2961[22:45:46] <ryouma> there's somebody i'd much sooner de-op
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2964[22:46:40] <x86iac> nothing says there can
2965[22:46:51] <x86iac> t be two or more petitions
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2967[22:47:09] <x86iac> lots of complaints about the op abuse in this channel though
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2971[22:47:50] <jhutchins_wk> x86iac: I'd be pretty skeptical about that.
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2973[22:48:01] <x86iac> lol ryouma you aren
2974[22:48:05] <x86iac> 't kidding there
2975[22:48:11] <ryouma> :)
2976[22:48:34] <luden73> i doubt i will install ubuntu or debian
2977[22:48:38] <luden73> can you hlep me
2978[22:48:51] <luden73> i think debian is sexy
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2980[22:49:09] <ryouma> luden73: do you have a specific question?
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2984[22:51:16] <ryouma> (of course, we have great ops and regular contributors too)
2985[22:51:21] <luden73> i have a core i7-3770k. should i use debian or ubuntu? my first linux distro was a suse 6.3
2986[22:51:30] <luden73> thank you
2987[22:52:28] <shewp> you are in the debian channel... what do you think we'll recommend :)
2988[22:53:03] <luden73> yeah.. and that's ok!
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2990[22:53:35] <luden73> i think i will try two VM's for a couple of days and then decide... but i know debian is best
2991[22:53:41] <Malmis_> i am having some problems trying to upgrade squeeze to wheezy, getting "libc6 : Depends: libc-bin (= 2.11.3-4+deb6u8) but 2.13-38+deb7u10 is installed", someone know how to fix? i can't find the help i need on google..
2992[22:53:50] <luden73> it's so great plain-vanilla
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2994[22:54:03] <luden73> ubuntu is overloaded for my hearings
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2997[22:54:15] <luden73> thank you guys
2998[22:54:29] <ryouma> if you have any issues, feel free to ask (not that i can help as much as the real experts)
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3001[22:55:15] <luden73> great channel - i will never walk alone. thanks again
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3010[22:58:26] <x86iac> luden73: do 3 vms - debian/ubuntu/opensuse - then you will see :)
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3013[22:59:49] <x86iac> i think you need a newer libc6?
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3016[23:00:01] <x86iac> ^^ Malmis_
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3019[23:00:39] <x86iac> 2.11.3 < 2.13
3020[23:01:15] <luden73> x86iac: thank you. i will see and decide
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3028[23:03:19] <amflir> any tools for highlighting, annotating pdfs in debian? (preferably main & contrib)
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3033[23:05:20] <x86iac> amflir: you want to edit them? libreoffice?
3034[23:05:39] <luden73> libeoffice is f.ing b.shit
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3036[23:05:44] <luden73> i hate it
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3038[23:05:51] <luden73> i cannot see it
3039[23:05:54] <luden73> i damn it
3040[23:06:02] <luden73> that waterfucking shit
3041[23:06:09] <luden73> use ms office in a vm environment
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3043[23:06:18] <luden73> virtualbox, vmware or hyper-v
3044[23:06:21] <Malmis_> x86iac well yes, but it didn't work with anything, but i have fixed it now
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3046[23:06:42] <luden73> it will make linux great ägän
3047[23:06:52] <x86iac> Malmis_: what did you do
3048[23:07:13] <luden73> linux is best for underground, then set up windows on top virtually
3049[23:07:23] <luden73> it will help america make great again
3050[23:07:30] <luden73> believe me
3051[23:08:13] <luden73> ei leik to move it move it
3052[23:08:15] <x86iac> luden73: you lost a little credibility liking ms office over libreoffice
3053[23:08:30] <luden73> why?
3054[23:08:41] <Malmis_> x86iac another person did try to upgrade to wheezy, then the system got broken, i fixed it with aptitude install -f libc6 and made it downgrade
3055[23:08:46] <teraflops> luden73: please keep on topic or go elsewhere
3056[23:08:51] <luden73> ok
3057[23:08:59] <luden73> sry
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3059[23:09:44] <luden73> wish you a good night guys
3060[23:09:53] <x86iac> Malmis_: should you file a bug report?
3061[23:10:12] <Malmis_> x86iac i don't think so =)
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3064[23:10:21] <luden73> keep your genital up this night
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3066[23:10:40] <luden73> it will make debian great again
3067[23:10:49] <luden73> n8!
3068[23:11:15] <x86iac> teraflops: you don't need to be so aggressive to him - we have problems with ops being power mad and we don't want the list of them to deop to grow to big
3069[23:11:33] <luden73> bye @all
3070[23:11:40] <amflir> x86iac, just highlighting. libreoffice is a piece of shit
3071[23:11:53] <luden73> leka nosht
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3075[23:12:23] <x86iac> amflir: what do you mean by highlighting?
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3077[23:13:14] <amflir> x86iac, highlighting is supported in generic pdf format. evince (newer version, stretch) supports it. also ocular(kde) supports it.
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3080[23:14:26] <amflir> justin bieber sucks
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3082[23:14:53] <teraflops> x86iac: thewat?
3083[23:15:01] <x86iac> so the obvious is ..... use evince ?
3084[23:15:17] <x86iac> ^^ amflir
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3086[23:15:33] <amflir> x86iac, how to upgrade to the version in stretch while using jessie? it says broken dependencies
3087[23:16:19] <x86iac> teraflops will help you
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3089[23:17:06] <Brigo> amflir, you can't
3090[23:17:19] <Brigo> you have to make a simple sid backport
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3092[23:17:21] <Brigo> !ssb
3093[23:17:21] <dpkg> First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
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3096[23:17:25] <teraflops> x86iac: stop being a dick
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3110[23:19:18] <x86iac> teraflops: watch your language this is a family channel
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3115[23:20:01] <x86iac> are you an op? cause i sense over importance op presence
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3117[23:20:11] <Brigo> x86iac, teraflops is right, this is a support channel, if you want to chan get to #debian-offtopic
3118[23:20:40] <Brigo> let dpkg tell politely
3119[23:20:43] <Brigo> !offtopic
3120[23:20:43] <dpkg> #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day.
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3123[23:21:53] <x86iac> is teraflop an op
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3126[23:22:12] <x86iac> brigo are you?
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3129[23:22:46] <x86iac> i think this channel needs to have it's swamp drained
3130[23:22:50] <Brigo> x86iac, i am not.
3131[23:23:05] <greycat> x86iac: please take the random rants to /dev/null
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3133[23:23:35] <x86iac> ah if it isn't the biggest douche greycat - you've imposed yourself on a number of channels
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3137[23:25:12] <Brigo> thanks, greycat.
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3139[23:25:51] <Iridos> yeah, thanks. feels decidedly less swampy
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3145[23:28:51] <Iridos> amflir, installing packages from testing (or Ubuntu or Ubuntu ppas or other random packages) into stable is a pretty good recipe to end up with a mess… look at backports.debian.org if it has a newer version or backport yourself (or fully upgrade to stretch, as it's closeish to become stable and needs any help it can get to get more bugs reported and fixed before release)
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3158[23:34:12] <hanasaki> it is just a bin / not installed from aptitude
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3173[23:45:02] <hanshenrik> why do i have to add --badname to adduser 4x4norway
3174[23:45:03] <hanshenrik> ?
3175[23:45:09] <hanshenrik> is 4x4norway a `bad name` in some way ?
3176[23:45:21] <hanshenrik> is there perhaps something bad about having numbers in usernames?
3177[23:45:27] <hanshenrik> in which case, how?
3178[23:45:35] <greycat> Usernames generally don't start with a digit.
3179[23:45:55] <greycat> A lot of programs may look at the first character of an argument to decide whether to treat it as a username, or a UID number.
3180[23:46:55] <hanshenrik> o shit, that's a damn valid argument
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3191[23:52:52] <autofsckk> /wc/wc
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3195[23:53:55] <TrollDude> Hello
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