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22 [00:14:45] <Aly_11> Hello
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24 [00:15:07] <Aly_11> Welcome, I'am a new member
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33 [00:20:02] <petn-randall> Hi Aly_11
34 [00:21:35] <Aly_11> HI petn
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92 [00:59:35] <lucas-arg> hello all... i have problems with web browsers... i have an intel m cpu and 4gb of ram in a laptop, and browsing the web seems slow... scroll is very laggy... even on my phone with chrome is better... dont know if there is some kinda fix for this
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106 [01:07:10] <jmcnaught> lucas-arg: same problem with firefox and chromium? what about other programs that scroll, like a PDF viewer, or actions like dragging windows? Does the problem happen on all pages?
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123 [01:11:35] <likcoras> Hi, I'm trying to find out why my wifi sometimes disconnects repeatedly after what seems like a successful authentication, with messages like "wlan0: CTRL-EVENT-DISCONNECTED bssid=8c:04:ff:0e:a6:f5 reason=4 locally_generated=1"
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126 [01:12:07] <likcoras> I haven't been able to find documentation for the reason= field, where is that available?
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133 [01:15:12] <likcoras> And sometimes immediately after connecting (replaced-url
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147 [01:21:51] <gtklocker> Hey, I'm trying to find virtualbox-guest-utils for stretch but I can't
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151 [01:22:18] <gtklocker> Looks like it exists for most versions except stretch
152 [01:22:28] <gtklocker> Even unstable
153 [01:23:06] <missmbob> gtklocker: you need to check the wiki. always check the wiki. replaced-url
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156 [01:23:45] <gtklocker> missmbob: the wiki says nothing about the package not existing in stretch, I've already read it
157 [01:23:54] <missmbob> gtklocker: yes it does
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159 [01:24:19] <missmbob> gtklocker: step 1 under debian 9 stretch
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162 [01:24:43] <gtklocker> missmbob: this repo only contains virtualbox itself, it doesn't have any package with the guest additions
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168 [01:26:28] <missmbob> do you really care how it's packaged?
169 [01:27:00] <gtklocker> missmbob: what do you mean? virtualbox itself doesn't have anything to do with the guest additions
170 [01:27:07] <gtklocker> it's not a matter of how it's packaged
171 [01:27:08] <missmbob> oracle took over. it's a little different
172 [01:27:14] <missmbob> it downloads what it needs
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175 [01:27:50] <whitePawn23> Sun Microsystems is great!
176 [01:28:01] <whitePawn23> love oracle!
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179 [01:29:03] <zykotick9> wtf...
180 [01:29:46] <gtklocker> turns out virtualbox isn't planned to be included in stretch anytime soon: replaced-url
181 [01:30:13] <missmbob> correct
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183 [01:30:54] <missmbob> or ever really from the mailing lists i've read
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197 [01:37:55] <petn-randall> Gladly there are enough working alternatives ...
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439 [04:26:08] <nurupo> there is a wordpress package in debian, but it's very slow on updates. sometimes the package gets updates weeks after the actual update happens
440 [04:26:40] <nurupo> pretty much all of these patch-level updates are security updates
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442 [04:27:20] <nurupo> one would imagine that the debian security team would be updating that package in a timely manner
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444 [04:28:12] <nurupo> or such upstream patch version updates containing security fixes are out of scope of the security team and handled by the package maintainer?
445 [04:28:40] <rjsalts> nurupo: replaced-url
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447 [04:29:06] <jmcnaught> ,v wordpress
448 [04:29:07] <judd> Package: wordpress on amd64 -- wheezy: 3.6.1+dfsg-1~deb7u10; wheezy-security: 3.6.1+dfsg-1~deb7u14; jessie-security: 4.1+dfsg-1+deb8u13; jessie: 4.1+dfsg-1+deb8u13; jessie-backports: 4.7.3+dfsg-1~bpo8+1; stretch: 4.7.3+dfsg-1; sid: 4.7.4+dfsg-1
449 [04:29:08] <nurupo> anyway, this such slow updates is one of the reasons why i advise people who want to install wp to install it directly from wp website instead of using debian package
450 [04:29:19] <nurupo> s/this//
451 [04:29:24] <jmcnaught> nurupo: or use the backports package
452 [04:30:03] <nurupo> jmcnaught: it updates at the same pace as the stable one
453 [04:30:21] <jmcnaught> nurupo: perhaps the maintainer could use some help
454 [04:30:50] <nurupo> e.g. wp issues a new patch versio nwith security fixes, stable and backports packages sometimes get updated to it only weeks after
455 [04:31:18] <nurupo> perhaps
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462 [04:34:20] <jmcnaught> nurupo: you know about this tracker: replaced-url
463 [04:34:34] <nurupo> no, i don't
464 [04:34:59] <cef> nurupo: The issue is that they have to backport the patches to the version in debian. That takes a bit of work when they diverge a lot.
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467 [04:35:51] <nurupo> why would it diverge though?
468 [04:35:52] <uxfi> hi freinds
469 [04:35:54] <uxfi> good evening
470 [04:36:11] <nurupo> the upstream still supports the version from stable and provides security fixes for it
471 [04:36:16] <nurupo> stable has 4.1 replaced-url
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476 [04:39:04] <nurupo> the only divergent parts i would expect to be the "debianization" of the default configuration as provided by upstream
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480 [04:40:22] <jmcnaught> the currently open CVE-2017-8295 doesn't sound like it would be very easy to exploit
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484 [04:42:04] <jmcnaught> though as a user of the package you're probably more aware of the long term pattern than i am. It doesn't look like there are any WNPP bugs asking for more help with the wordpress package, but if you're ever waiting for a security update it probably wouldn't hurt to ask on the BTS for that issue if any help is needed
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489 [04:46:30] <nurupo> for example, that cve is fixed in the new upastream patch release, 4.1.18, which was made about an hour ago. following the pattrn, the debian package would be updated anywhere whichin 3 days to several weeks :
490 [04:46:31] <nurupo> :
491 [04:46:35] <nurupo> * :\
492 [04:46:41] * nurupo can't type :P
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494 [04:47:19] <nurupo> i don't really use the package, i just compare the upstream release dates and the package changelog
495 [04:47:53] <nurupo> i use the non-package version of wp which includes auto-update to latest patch version functionality
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497 [04:48:10] <jmcnaught> nurupo: i don't follow this package, but my experience with other Debian packages is that updates are triaged, and for vulnerabilities with a very narrow scope and high difficulty to exploit, sometimes those don't get fixed right away if at all
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500 [04:48:52] <jmcnaught> the Debian package for wordpress has a unique multi-site functionality that I think predates multi-site as a native wordpress feature
501 [04:48:56] <nurupo> wp is such big attack target that using the package doesn't make sense
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506 [04:50:17] <jmcnaught> the description at replaced-url
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509 [04:50:42] <nurupo> yeah, it doesn't sound like something that is trivial to exploit
510 [04:51:18] <jmcnaught> personally my advice is to do whatever you can to not have to work with wordpress ever again ☺
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512 [04:51:57] <nurupo> yep
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514 [04:52:17] <nurupo> agree with that advise strongly
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516 [04:52:29] <nurupo> d><jmcnaught> the description at replaced-url
517 [04:52:34] <nurupo> *don't
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519 [04:52:51] <Hoolootwo> I'm having problems with my initrd
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522 [04:53:13] <Hoolootwo> when I boot, I have to wait 30 seconds while something looks for drives
523 [04:53:39] <jmcnaught> my advice is to try using the worpdress debian package in a test environment, see if you think it will make your life any easier, and if so then keep an eye on the security tracker and if there's a delay then see if you can help
524 [04:53:51] <Hoolootwo> the only debug output I get is "Running /scripts/local-block" 10 or 15 times
525 [04:54:28] <ChmEarl> Hoolootwo, do you have LVM without root?
526 [04:54:37] <Hoolootwo> I have LVM, but root is not on LVM
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528 [04:55:27] <Hoolootwo> is this a known bug? I didn't find anything substantial while googling
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530 [04:56:13] <ChmEarl> Hoolootwo, I had a delay like that. I fixed it by moving the /usr/share/initramfs-tools/hooks/LVM2 script up one level and rebuild initramfs
531 [04:56:31] <Hoolootwo> ChmEarl, thanks, I will give that a shot
532 [04:56:49] <ChmEarl> Hoolootwo, if you have no need for anything in your LVM during boot, then try it
533 [04:57:29] <Hoolootwo> I have /home/ on LVM, but I think that would be mounted later
534 [04:57:49] <Hoolootwo> yeah, nothing important for boot is LVMd
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544 [05:02:44] <Hoolootwo> that sounds bug-report worthy
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546 [05:02:57] <Hoolootwo> if it does indeed fix it, brb
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551 [05:09:10] <ChmEarl> Hoolootwo, this trouble only came up on Stretch, not Jessie
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557 [05:12:48] <Hoolootwo> ChmEarl, I'm on stretch
558 [05:12:52] <Hoolootwo> it appears not to have fixed it
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561 [05:13:57] <ChmEarl> Hoolootwo, cheers for trying. Maybe its another */hooks script gone wild
562 [05:14:12] <Hoolootwo> hmm, it also doesn't look like the actual initrd changed, there's still /scripts/local-block/lvm32
563 [05:14:18] <Hoolootwo> s/32/2/
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571 [05:21:19] <mcint> This question might belong in an LVM or crypt channel, but... Is there a way to have random data writes to disk finish after the install process... After the first boot. Is there a way to select just the physical volume blocks which are not associated with a logical volume to write random to?
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576 [05:22:57] <mcint> Resize the physical volumes down to logical volume sizes, write random to everything not in the physical volumes /in a new physical volume just for random-writing?
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599 [05:35:52] <ee> Hey. Anyone using virt-manager for virtual machines? Any way to copy text from host to virt machine?
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618 [05:50:48] <mo1991> can I create an lvm with 2 disks, but only using part of the 2nd disk? Aka one of the 2 physical disks has a 125 mac partition I do not want to be part of the lvm
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630 [06:00:07] <mo1991> well I guess I'll just fire up the stretch disk and play with lvm and find out
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657 [06:29:38] <jmynes> Hello, I have a Debian server and something is filling up my storage rapidly
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659 [06:30:00] <jmynes> Every few days I have another % of storage filled, and I recently added storage
660 [06:30:21] <jmynes> Most of what I host on this server is static webpages, with a few databases
661 [06:30:24] <jmynes> How might I diagnose this
662 [06:30:48] <jmynes> I've gone in half a month from 81% use to 97%
663 [06:31:01] <Digz> where is the storage filling up? maybe you are getting hammered, and /var/log is filling up quick
664 [06:31:21] <jmynes> Digz, I'm unsure how to properly check
665 [06:32:57] <Digz> start with a df -h and see what mounts are filling up
666 [06:33:05] <jmynes> Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on
667 [06:33:06] <jmynes> /dev/root 30G 29G 890M 97% /
668 [06:33:06] <jmynes> devtmpfs 996M 0 996M 0% /dev
669 [06:33:06] <jmynes> tmpfs 200M 308K 200M 1% /run
670 [06:33:06] <jmynes> tmpfs 5.0M 0 5.0M 0% /run/lock
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674 [06:33:20] <jmynes> My bad didn't think 5 lines would kick me
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677 [06:35:18] <jmynes> digastricus, seemingly 24G in var
678 [06:35:42] <jmynes> 6.2G is in /var/replaced-url
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683 [06:37:53] <jmynes> digz I think you're right, 15G in /var/log
684 [06:40:30] <mo1991> If I have one ssd drive and one mechanical drive and am going to use the ssd drive for the system and the mechanical as backup - and want both encrypted, is there a way to make sure the system goes to the ssd and the backup to the mechanical using lvm?
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687 [06:43:20] <jmynes> I've found the offending files, mail.info, mail.log, mail.warn, syslog
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689 [06:44:15] <ryouma> mo1991: you don't /need/ lvm
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691 [06:45:03] <ryouma> (personally i think it's a bit overkill for all but power users and sysadmins)
692 [06:47:37] <jmynes> I think my mail log issues are from a mail server I attempted and failed to set up
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699 [06:52:18] <Digz> jmynes, if you don't use the mail server, uninstall it ;)
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704 [06:59:24] <dtux> I just tried to install debian on an old computer from a cd with raid1 configured for 2 (4TB) HDDs... the installation completed, but when i try to boot, it drops me into a grub-rescue shell. i think i only installed grub onto 1 of the disks (sda) tho i left space (1MB) for it on both.
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706 [07:00:23] <dtux> is this because i need to install it on sdb too?
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710 [07:03:48] <jelly> not necessarily. since it booted at all, bios has to have used the right disk
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715 [07:06:51] <dtux> ah, ok
716 [07:07:05] <dtux> eh, not sure what to do then
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742 [07:25:02] <darxmurf> hi all
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744 [07:26:14] <darxmurf> bareos is dead or is it just a glitch on their website ?
745 [07:26:16] <TomG2> dtux, i'm not sure either, but keep researching. maybe look up things like raid grub
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764 [07:39:04] <dtux> ok
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777 [07:46:09] <dtux> i give up... time to crash
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779 [07:48:22] <uxfi> hi all
780 [07:48:24] <uxfi> good evening
781 [07:48:50] <TomG2> dtux, yeah it probably won't be that easy on the first try
782 [07:48:55] <TomG2> good night :)
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784 [07:49:48] <uxfi> hi TomG2
785 [07:49:49] <uxfi> :)
786 [07:49:51] <uxfi> how are you
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788 [07:50:08] <TomG2> just fine thanks
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802 [07:59:47] <dtux> i switched the SATA mode from IDE to AHCI in the BIOS and it booted right up :)
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811 [08:05:31] <TomG2> congratulations :)
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851 [08:25:46] <dtux> E: Package 'ruby-paint' has no installation candidate
852 [08:25:57] <dtux> but its here: replaced-url
853 [08:26:09] <jelly> !bat
854 [08:26:09] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
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864 [08:30:02] <dtux> looks like im getting 500s replaced-url
865 [08:30:32] <dka> I did a "usermod -G" without "-a" and now I lost my sudo group. I don't remember my su password. Is there a way to get back into sudo group ?
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869 [08:32:48] <jelly> !ifrp
870 [08:32:48] <dpkg> For GRUB: 1) press 'e' to edit the kernel setting in the grub command line (add 'init=/bin/sh' to the end of it) 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) 'reboot -d -f' (exec /sbin/init should work); For LILO: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at the LILO boot prompt (hold Shift while booting), steps 2-6 are the same; For yaboot: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at yaboot prompt.
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873 [08:33:47] <jelly> dtux: Package pin: 0.8.6-1 Version table: 0.8.6-1 -30000
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875 [08:34:40] <jelly> dtux: you told aptitude never to install it, or edited /etc/apt/preferences (or a file in /etc/apt/preferences.d/) manually
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877 [08:35:53] <jelly> dtux: remove that pinning to restore normal behaviour
878 [08:36:09] <dka> I did a "usermod -G" without "-a" and now I lost my sudo group. I don't remember my su password. Is there a way to get back into sudo group ?
879 [08:36:17] <jelly> dka: that !ifrp was for you.
880 [08:36:39] <dka> how do I do this ?
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882 [08:36:40] <dtux> jelly: oh shoot... sorry i just looked back at a script i ran. looks like this was the original error: replaced-url
883 [08:36:44] <dka> press 'e'
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886 [08:37:02] <jelly> dka: you have a key labeled E on your keyboard?
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888 [08:37:17] <dka> yes
889 [08:37:26] <dtux> ok, ill remove the pin, thanks (fwiw, make ran that second paste)
890 [08:37:26] <dka> so whereis the grub command line?
891 [08:37:38] <jelly> press it when grub menu appears, to _get_ to editing.
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893 [08:38:06] <dka> how can I know if I am using grub ? I am using debian 8 with cinnemanon
894 [08:38:41] <jelly> grub is the default boot loader, that's what gives you the boot menu
895 [08:39:17] <jelly> you can probably skip the fsck step.
896 [08:39:35] <jelly> in fact you _should_ probably skip it
897 [08:40:25] <jelly> "passwd root" will set a new root password, to be used with su
898 [08:40:50] <dka> ok
899 [08:40:55] <dka> How do I reset step 1 ?
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901 [08:41:01] <dka> when
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904 [08:41:09] <dka> 'init=bin/sh' was appended
905 [08:41:13] <jelly> dka: just reboot
906 [08:41:22] <dka> ok
907 [08:41:25] <dka> I will try
908 [08:41:27] <dka> thanks :)
909 [08:41:36] <towo^work> init=bin/sh is wrong!
910 [08:41:41] <jelly> you're supposed to do that at grub's boot menu
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912 [08:41:42] <towo^work> init=/bin/sh
913 [08:41:45] <dka> i know
914 [08:41:48] <dka> brb
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926 [08:50:42] <dka> hi qgqin jelly
927 [08:50:46] <dka> I again
928 [08:51:13] <dka> I have tipped 'e' and was able to edit a file, i appended 'init=/bin/sh' and then I don't know how to validate
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930 [08:51:39] <dka> The UI tells me I can do CTRL+X, CTRL+C
931 [08:51:43] <dka> I have tried both
932 [08:52:00] <dka> with CTRL+C I have a grub command line but 'mount' is not a program
933 [08:52:08] <dka> with CTRL+X it just boot normally
934 [08:52:27] <dka> !ifrp
935 [08:52:28] <dpkg> For GRUB: 1) press 'e' to edit the kernel setting in the grub command line (add 'init=/bin/sh' to the end of it) 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) 'reboot -d -f' (exec /sbin/init should work); For LILO: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at the LILO boot prompt (hold Shift while booting), steps 2-6 are the same; For yaboot: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at yaboot prompt.
936 [08:52:58] <dka> how do I save the change in 1)?
937 [08:53:13] <dka> dtux, towo^work ?
938 [08:55:19] <dka> I did a "usermod -G" without "-a" and now I lost my sudo group. I don't remember my su password. Is there a way to get back into sudo group ?
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945 [09:00:34] <akd> help
946 [09:00:41] <akd> i am dka
947 [09:00:49] <akd> i cant get back my Root Access ;???
948 [09:00:53] <akd> its not my damn laptop
949 [09:00:56] <akd> i am dead
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961 [09:03:38] <gaming> hello
962 [09:04:01] <gaming> is anyone on??
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964 [09:04:18] <gaming> oi chanserv
965 [09:04:25] <gaming> hey meme
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967 [09:04:54] <gaming> helllllooo??
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972 [09:07:07] <gaming> hello
973 [09:07:14] <gaming> pls is anyone on??
974 [09:07:24] <gaming> i just wanna check if this works
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981 [09:11:01] <dka> helop
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983 [09:11:20] <dka> I can't start grub with init=/bin/sh
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1007 [09:27:54] <avalon_> after 22h14m of installation, my brand new Jessie is ready to use
1008 [09:27:56] <avalon_> :D
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1010 [09:28:28] <at0m> avalon_: what took you so long?
1011 [09:28:42] <slax0r> did you compile _everything_?
1012 [09:28:59] <avalon_> lot of simultane processes... in my brain
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1016 [09:29:22] <avalon_> cca 200 tabs in browser, lot of programs running, lot of irc channels...
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1023 [09:33:19] <dka> hi qgqin
1024 [09:33:21] <dka> hi again
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1026 [09:34:11] <dka> I finally manage but not with 'passwd' nor 'passwd root' cmd. Because every password change was ignored when trying to login as root. I manage to get back my root access with 'usermod -a -G sudo dka'. But now I am trying to recover the root password
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1028 [09:34:46] <dka> I am doing 'sudo passwd root' and change the password. However, doing 'su' and typing the password return 'su: Authentication failure'
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1032 [09:35:40] <Simplar> Hello. I own an old laptop, Samsung Q45. Which Debian will be perfect for it?
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1034 [09:35:54] <dka> Simplar, install debian 8
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1039 [09:38:13] <celyr> dka, mhhh
1040 [09:39:49] <celyr> dka, can you please change the root password to something "dummy" and past the relevant row of /etc/shadow
1041 [09:39:56] <celyr> post*
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1044 [09:41:08] <dka> celyr, replaced-url
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1049 [09:42:57] <dka> any idea why ?
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1053 [09:43:36] <celyr> dka, are you logging in by the console or by ssh ?
1054 [09:43:42] <dka> console
1055 [09:43:45] <dka> it's my laptop
1056 [09:43:58] <celyr> well
1057 [09:44:05] <celyr> are you sure you type it correctly ? XD
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1061 [09:44:53] <dka> strange thing, I did type: 'sudo su root' then I got a bash with only: 'bash-4.3#' without any prompt. I then did 'sudo su ajt', 'sudo su dka', 'su' and now I have a bash with PS1 of dka 'root@dev-04:[/home/dka]:'
1062 [09:45:01] <dka> yes
1063 [09:45:30] <dka> i am absolutely sur, I tried to type it blank before, and then type it, same when i set it, I have also tried with 'h' as a password, 'h' never change depending of keyboard locale
1064 [09:45:31] <celyr> okay, how are you logging in with dka ? can you login in the console ?
1065 [09:45:44] <dka> I have an application called 'terminal'
1066 [09:45:50] <dka> I can login
1067 [09:45:56] <celyr> did you try ?
1068 [09:45:58] <dka> dka is sudo, ajt is sudo
1069 [09:46:03] <dka> which cmd ?
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1071 [09:46:48] <celyr> I mean, did you try to login with dka from the console ?
1072 [09:47:05] <celyr> or you did login only in X ?
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1074 [09:48:49] <dka> replaced-url
1075 [09:49:03] <dka> I type dummy in clear to show you, then I did all this
1076 [09:49:10] <celyr> I'm talking about the console
1077 [09:49:12] <celyr> not the terminal
1078 [09:49:27] <dka> I don't know the difference
1079 [09:49:31] <celyr> ctrl+alt+F1 to return back to X then you can do ctrl+alt+F7
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1082 [09:49:46] <celyr> try to login there as root and as dka please
1083 [09:49:51] <dka> ok
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1087 [09:50:48] <quitisomes> Hello good morning everybody i got some answers about using an uftp service over an enviroment UFTP SV --> Proxy Server --> Proxy Client --> UFTP Client
1088 [09:50:49] <dka> I can't login with anyone
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1090 [09:50:55] <quitisomes> somebody could help me???
1091 [09:51:02] <celyr> dka, good!
1092 [09:51:03] <quitisomes> a lot of thanks b4 nothing
1093 [09:51:05] <celyr> well bad
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1095 [09:51:23] <dka> good or bad ?
1096 [09:51:32] <celyr> dka, so you tried to login with dka and it didn't work and also root didn't work
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1099 [09:51:45] <celyr> dka, well we found the problem but it's not a nice one
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1101 [09:52:02] <dka> yesterday. A collegue borrowed me his laptop because mine is at the repair center
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1103 [09:52:10] <celyr> dka, can you please do sudo ls -lash /etc/passwd and then the same /etc/shadow
1104 [09:52:16] <pingfloyd> dka: the difference in prompt isn't strange
1105 [09:52:22] <pingfloyd> dka: it makes perfect sense
1106 [09:52:23] <dka> I just wanted to create a group for both of us, to solve a node permission issue. I did create a group called developer
1107 [09:52:46] <dka> and missused 'usermod -G' forgotting 'usermod -a -G' and this is probably how I started this nightmare
1108 [09:53:28] <pingfloyd> dka: also default authentication is different between su an sudo
1109 [09:53:53] <dka> '4.0K -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 2.4K Mar 31 2016 /etc/passwd' && '4.0K -rw-r----- 1 root shadow 1.7K May 17 14:46 /etc/shadow'
1110 [09:53:58] <celyr> okay
1111 [09:54:25] <dka> pingfloyd, how different ?
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1113 [09:54:49] <pingfloyd> dka: by default sudo uses the password of the user trying to escalate, where as su uses root's password
1114 [09:54:55] <quitisomes> Please somebody could help me about a problem with UFTP Service???
1115 [09:55:09] <celyr> dka, can you do sudo groups
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1117 [09:55:35] <dka> pingfloyd, I was aware of it
1118 [09:55:42] <dka> celyr, I can. I have one already
1119 [09:55:53] <pingfloyd> dka: use adduser user group instead
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1122 [09:56:24] <celyr> dka, result ?
1123 [09:56:26] <dka> pingfloyd, why ? adduser is for a non existing user am I correct ?
1124 [09:56:34] <pingfloyd> you can usermod if you want, but there as some flags you can't forget
1125 [09:56:38] <dka> celyr, 'root sudo docker'
1126 [09:56:42] <pingfloyd> dka: adduser is a script included with debian
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1129 [09:57:17] <celyr> dka, well sudo e docker are pretty useless
1130 [09:57:21] <pingfloyd> it's a little more elegant with its syntax
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1134 [09:59:34] <dka> celyr, I think docker need it
1135 [09:59:38] <dka> how can I remove sudo ?
1136 [09:59:43] <dka> and how can I solve my login issue
1137 [09:59:44] <dka> ?
1138 [09:59:52] <celyr> dka, I'm thinking
1139 [10:00:40] <dka> solved
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1143 [10:01:09] <dka> I did connect to another laptop with a similar config and check the groups of the two users I modified
1144 [10:01:26] <dka> I added 'ajt' to all the missing group, same for dka and it work
1145 [10:01:35] <dka> I can login with all the users
1146 [10:01:36] <dka> :]
1147 [10:01:40] <dka> including su
1148 [10:01:43] <dka> root
1149 [10:02:00] <dka> except from the terminal !
1150 [10:02:03] <dka> I can't login with su
1151 [10:02:26] <pingfloyd> dka: also when you add a user to group, that user must log out completely for the new group membership to go into effect
1152 [10:02:37] <dka> I will reboot then
1153 [10:02:38] <dka> thanks
1154 [10:02:50] <dka> thanks celyr!
1155 [10:02:50] <pingfloyd> you shouldn't have to reboot, but a reboot is always thorough
1156 [10:03:01] <dka> brb
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1159 [10:03:55] <jolt> You can run newgrp if you want to get the changes for the user right away (or open a new shell in your shell)
1160 [10:04:13] <pingfloyd> true, but logging out/in is more thorough
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1163 [10:04:57] <pingfloyd> I'll usually do that when I want to test it first before going through the trouble of logging out
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1166 [10:05:06] <dka> Hi again, my authentication work fine through the console, but not for the terminal when I type 'su', using 'dummy' as a password, I have 'su: Authenication failure'
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1172 [10:05:49] <dka> pingfloyd, I haven't seen your messages between this one 'you shouldn't have to reboot, but a reboot is always' and ' I'll usually do that when I want to test it first before going through the trouble of logging out'
1173 [10:06:06] <pingfloyd> dka: jolt mentioned the other way to have it go into affect
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1176 [10:07:22] <celyr> dka, this doesn't explain why you were not able to login as root
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1189 [10:09:39] <quitisomes> Hello good morning everybody i got some answers about using an uftp service over an enviroment UFTP SV --> Proxy Server --> Proxy Client --> UFTP Client
1190 [10:09:40] <celyr> dka, can you try sudo usermod -u root ?
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1193 [10:09:54] <quitisomes> could somebody help me please
1194 [10:10:14] <Ben64> help you with some answers you have?
1195 [10:10:24] <quitisomes> hello ben64 and ta
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1197 [10:10:28] <quitisomes> thanks for answer
1198 [10:10:45] <quitisomes> the problem is I cant get my traffic throught the infraestructure
1199 [10:10:48] <dka> 'usermod: invalid user ID 'root''
1200 [10:10:53] <quitisomes> proxy server - proxy client - to client
1201 [10:11:00] <quitisomes> it goes directly from uftp server to client
1202 [10:11:35] <quitisomes> im @crazy with this for 3 days
1203 [10:11:55] <quitisomes> and i dont find any information only on sourceforge i asked on forum but nobody can answer me
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1205 [10:12:08] <celyr> dka, sorry, passwd -u root
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1207 [10:12:18] <celyr> with sudo
1208 [10:12:58] <dka> 'passwd: password expiry information changed.'
1209 [10:13:12] <celyr> dka, change the password now and try to login
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1212 [10:14:52] <dka> After changing root password with 'sudo passwd root' work with the console, not with the terminal.
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1216 [10:16:58] <petn-randall> !doesn't work
1217 [10:16:58] <dpkg> "Doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions>, <sicco> and <errors>.
1218 [10:17:10] <petn-randall> dka: Do you get an error?
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1221 [10:17:47] <dka> 'su: Authentication failure
1222 [10:17:48] <dka> '
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1224 [10:18:09] <quitisomes> Hello good morning everybody i got some problems using an uftp service over an enviroment UFTP SV --> Proxy Server --> Proxy Client --> UFTP Client
1225 [10:18:16] <jolt> quitisomes: It's REALLY hard to debug something like that over IRC
1226 [10:18:49] <jolt> quitisomes: I would personally try with tcpdump on each host to see what the traffic looks like, verify if the Proxy header is present on the dump and so on
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1236 [10:22:10] <quitisomes> the problem is the packet doesnt hop along the estructure it goes directly to the client
1237 [10:22:23] <quitisomes> im trying in a laboratory with the same network
1238 [10:22:34] <quitisomes> all 192.168.1.x / 24
1239 [10:22:49] <quitisomes> but i need the packet goes throught all infraestructura
1240 [10:23:24] <quitisomes> i dont know if im wrong with commands or what
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1245 [10:24:54] <jolt> quitisomes: I have no idea what UFTP is, but a quick search turns up that this is UDP multicast, so in a local network it would go directly to the server (hence multicast)
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1247 [10:25:46] <jolt> quitisomes: So you would probably need to configure something something proxy on the client to force it to go through the proxy, or make them run on different networks and switches, where multicast is disabled.
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1252 [10:26:18] <jolt> quitisomes: A bit outside my league though. Probably more of a network design issue than anything related to Debian, I'm afraid
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1273 [10:32:38] <celyr> !goal
1274 [10:32:38] <dpkg> Describe your goal, not what you think the solution is.
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1304 [10:52:11] <petn-randall> dka: It could be that you have different keyboard layouts, I'd check that first.
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1318 [10:58:35] <tlatelolco> Hello! I have a fresh Debian 8.7, Linux 3.16.39 install. I have servers running on it. Yesterday, I went away while it was up (not logged in). I was really astonished to see this morning that it was in standby mode (when the power LED flashes), and unjoinable even with a ping. How can I make it to be always up, on the network and serving?
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1326 [11:01:48] <jmcnaught> tlatelolco: is the computer running a GUI? did you check your logs to see what suspended the computer?
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1333 [11:03:28] <tlatelolco> jmcnaught, yes, GNOME. Which log?
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1339 [11:05:03] <jmcnaught> tlatelolco: /var/log/syslog is always a good place to start. Have you checked GNOME settings to make sure that automatic suspend is disabled?
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1348 [11:10:17] <tlatelolco> syslog is obscure to me. I'll search for system-wide GNOME settings. I don't know where it is, since I mainly use servers without GUI. I wanted this one to be useable by noobs
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1350 [11:11:08] <jmcnaught> tlatelolco: you can open syslog with the "less" command, which you can search with the / key (press /, type in search word, press n for next)
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1352 [11:11:40] <tlatelolco> yes, but what to look for?
1353 [11:11:49] <tlatelolco> "suspend"? "standby"?
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1356 [11:13:30] <jmcnaught> yes, "power" is another word you could try
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1359 [11:13:57] <tlatelolco> i can't find it. I don't know when it occured
1360 [11:14:09] <jmcnaught> syslog is timestamped, so if you know the time that you resumed the computer you can go to that time, then look at the lines above it
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1363 [11:17:50] <jelly> ,v lame
1364 [11:17:51] <judd> Package: lame on amd64 -- wheezy: 3.99.5+repack1-3+deb7u1; jessie: 3.99.5+repack1-7+deb8u1; stretch: 3.99.5+repack1-9+b2; sid: 3.99.5+repack1-9+b2; wheezy-multimedia: 1:3.99.5-dmo2+wheezy2; jessie-multimedia: 1:3.99.5-dmo4; sid-multimedia: 1:3.99.5-dmo6
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1366 [11:18:01] <yottanami> Recently I reinstalled debian sid on my Laptop. Now during my work the screens change to black and shuntdown after seconds. It happends in random times here is my dmesg replaced-url
1367 [11:18:28] <jelly> sid you say?
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1369 [11:18:36] <jelly> !debian-next
1370 [11:18:36] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
1371 [11:18:47] <tlatelolco> jmcnaught, In gnome-control-center, the computer is never supposed to go down
1372 [11:19:16] <Iridos> maybe there was a power failure
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1374 [11:22:13] <tlatelolco> no, because the computer wouldn't have respawn
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1377 [11:23:26] <yottanami> jelly, I tried to ask on debian-next but it seams no one is talking there
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1380 [11:24:29] <Iridos> well, jelly is there… ^^
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1385 [11:27:03] <Iridos> tlatelolco, my desktop never goes down… it doesn't now and it didn't when I used gnome
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1387 [11:27:32] <Iridos> … and I don't think that could be the default anywhere in debian
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1391 [11:28:46] <jmcnaught> same here, GNOME in jessie and stretch, it never goes down. unless there are other details like a lid being closed, then your best bet is to look at the logs immediately preceding the time that it resumed
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1399 [11:31:41] <tlatelolco> Should I fire network-manager, and write my config in /etc/network/interfaces, to be sure, it's always on the network?
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1401 [11:32:27] <Iridos> oh, was it only disconnected from the network? the way I read it, it was in suspend mode?
1402 [11:32:43] <tlatelolco> both
1403 [11:33:28] <Iridos> well, obviously there's no network if it's in suspend mode
1404 [11:33:39] <Iridos> but what does that have to do with network manager
1405 [11:33:58] <Iridos> what version of debian is this?
1406 [11:34:07] <tlatelolco> In syslog i see that yesterday @19:10 and 19:50, it did well my crontab...
1407 [11:34:11] <tlatelolco> 8.7
1408 [11:35:28] <Iridos> what was at 19:10?
1409 [11:35:54] <Iridos> and we're at 8.8 now… you should probably do an apt-get update;apt-get upgrade or so
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1412 [11:36:22] <tlatelolco> yes, I will
1413 [11:36:29] <tlatelolco> (just backups)
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1445 [11:49:26] <quite> Looking at replaced-url
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1478 [12:19:24] <Iridos> well… replaced-url
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1480 [12:20:01] <scwizard> Hi I'm having an issue with Japanese characters sorta
1481 [12:20:09] <scwizard> Japanese characters are rendering but the full width yen symbol is not
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1484 [12:21:59] <MolluskEmpire> Alright, Wicd continues to fail at Validating authentication. Networks show but it continuously fails to connect. Does anyone know what may be the issue or a workaround? I have restarted the router and can connect to it fine wirelessly on other devices as well as direct wired on this device.
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1530 [12:50:18] <sorin-mihai> is there some way to find out what are the supported partition formats known/accepted by debian-installer as input in a recipe?
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1538 [12:53:31] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
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1543 [12:57:01] <vlt> Hi
1544 [12:57:16] <contrapunctus> Hi
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1575 [13:18:10] <colo-work> I'm failing at mirroring a "packagecloud.io"-provided apt repository with approx. it's this repository: replaced-url
1576 [13:18:21] <colo-work> and I get this error: W: Failed to fetch replaced-url
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1579 [13:18:32] <colo-work> (10.0.0.199:3142 is where approx is listening on my local network)
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1581 [13:18:52] <colo-work> the InRelease-file that I can retrieve under this URI does not look broken to me
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1586 [13:19:37] <colo-work> InRelease-response: replaced-url
1587 [13:19:48] <colo-work> any ideas what is going on (and wrong at that)?
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1595 [13:24:16] <jolt> colo-work: Tried with curl/wget to that URL?
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1597 [13:24:37] <colo-work> jolt, which URL? have you checked out my paste?
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1620 [13:31:29] <funabashi> A general linux question. ist possible to see more info about a process ? i want to see all stuff which iss possible
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1635 [13:35:20] <Iridos> funabashi, /proc/pid (where pid is the process id of the process)
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1683 [14:06:39] <Helle> can I, without patching the kernel, disable the snd-audio-usb module for a specific vid/pid pair ?
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1692 [14:10:11] <Iridos> if that's a separate kernel module, you can blacklist it
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1698 [14:12:07] <jolt> colo-work: sorry, I didn't, got dragged into a meeting instead
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1716 [14:19:49] <al3xprey> If I add a disk to an existing raid5, specifying the disk as /dev/sdb not as /dev/sdb1, what does it matter when it still syncs and all the other disks are named /dev/sda1, /dev/sdc1 and so on
1717 [14:20:52] <topi`> I want to bootstrap a debian image, unanttended. I already found out ways of determining the config for package foo in advance, using debconf-set-selections ... but the question is, how do I find out the key names of individual cfg items for packages+
1718 [14:21:10] <topi`> this is an example for chef:
1719 [14:21:10] <topi`> echo chef chef/chef_server_url string | sudo debconf-set-selections
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1744 [14:31:31] <kaartic> hello all.
1745 [14:32:40] <kaartic> I am currently using debian stretch. I am experiencing a few issues with it. Is this the right place to report/discuss it ?
1746 [14:33:39] <jelly> sure, but see also
1747 [14:33:42] <jelly> !debian-next
1748 [14:33:42] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
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1755 [14:35:23] <kaartic> jelly: I thought I joined #debian-next. I guess I mistyped it. Thank for pointing out!
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1785 [14:45:54] <kaartic> I guess #debian-next requires an invite. How do I join it >
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1787 [14:46:08] <kaartic> correction > -> ?
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1791 [14:46:59] <slax0r> by getting an invite
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1793 [14:47:25] <slax0r> I bet it's closed down because too many people were asking when the next version is going to be released ;)
1794 [14:47:37] <kaartic> slax0r: I'm new to irc, how do you get one ?
1795 [14:47:54] <kaartic> BTW, that's funny :)
1796 [14:48:03] <slax0r> kaartic: someone who's an operator of the channel has to send you an invite
1797 [14:48:10] <jelly> I bet neither kaartic not slax0r read what dpkg said
1798 [14:48:10] <slax0r> beats me who that is though :)
1799 [14:48:12] <petn-randall> karakedi: Did you read dpkg's message to the end? I'm guessing you didn't.
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1801 [14:48:38] <jelly> let's review
1802 [14:48:42] <jelly> !debian-next
1803 [14:48:43] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
1804 [14:48:47] <slax0r> jelly: indeed I did not :)
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1806 [14:49:04] <jelly> different irc network, different irc server
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1808 [14:49:13] <slax0r> was too far back backlog for me too see it ;)
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1811 [14:50:00] <jelly> kaartic: you didn't mistype, the one on Freenode redirects here (mostly because it cannot redirect to a different server)
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1816 [14:51:52] <kaartic> jelly: ok. I'll get into oftc. I actually was confused by the channel status which said that "#debian-next requires an invite" and nothing about that it didn't exist here.
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1845 [15:06:24] <jhasse> Hi! Everytime after boot I need to run "route add default gw <IP>" in order to get an internet connection. How can I set up this that it happens automatically? I've already added `gateway <IP>` to the interface in /etc/network/interfaces
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1854 [15:13:40] <janw> Hi! Using Raspbian on a Pi3. Seems I have broken my apt. When I do "sudo apt update" I get error: "/usr/lib/apt/methods/copy: error while loading shared libraries: Libapt-pkg.so.4.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory". Any help? Thanks!
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1858 [15:14:24] <topi`> is it possible to do *anything* from a postinstall script on a custom debian pkg? I'd like to create such a .deb that installing it will move /var to /mnt/var and symlink /var there. That way, I get (almost) working readonly root.
1859 [15:15:13] <topi`> janw: losing apt is not cool. I recommend reinstalling, or finding where libapt-pkg.so.4.1 is situated.
1860 [15:15:41] <topi`> janw: you can try "find / -name "libapt-pkg.so*" to see if it is situated in a wrong filesystem or whatnot
1861 [15:16:33] <janw> topi`: I found the package and already tried to manually re-install it (sudo dpkg -i libapt-pkg4.12_1.0.9.8.4_armhf.deb), but it didnt help. Trying to work around a complete reinstall.
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1863 [15:16:45] <janw> Will do, thanks
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1885 [15:25:09] <petn-randall> jhasse: Can you paste the contents of your /etc/network/interfaces? Preferably to replaced-url
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1911 [15:38:58] <TyrfingMjolnir> How can I make a boot script that chroots?
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1913 [15:40:01] <TyrfingMjolnir> I believe it's called chroot jail
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1919 [15:42:37] <fallentree> TyrfingMjolnir: boot script? can you elaborate?
1920 [15:43:13] <TyrfingMjolnir> I use chroot when using debootstrap or pacstrap, but I have never used chroot in the place of a service or boot script, what will be different? I would like to launch an ancient app( debian 3 ) in a newer version of debian
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1923 [15:43:58] <TyrfingMjolnir> I only need at least glibc from debian 3
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1925 [15:44:08] <TyrfingMjolnir> I need at least glibc from debian 3
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1927 [15:44:53] <fallentree> maybe set up a container like LXC
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1938 [15:46:48] <shtrb|laptop> well , that is biblical level Any DD that manges the microsoft repository can fix their sections I think they shouldn't be using main
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1940 [15:47:28] <shtrb|laptop> * replaced-url
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1946 [15:48:15] <aypea[1]> one url to rule them all and in the darkness bind them.
1947 [15:48:46] <fallentree> google.com
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1949 [15:49:19] <shtrb|laptop> They should have used non-free :)
1950 [15:49:42] <aypea[1]> embrace commenced.
1951 [15:50:15] <johnfg> How do I know what MTA I have installed on jessie?
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1957 [15:52:03] <jelly> johnfg: dpkg -S /usr/sbin/sendmail
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1964 [15:54:28] <johnfg> jelly: I'm finishing up my stretch installation, and when installing mutt, it's asking me for a MTA. I'd like it to match my jessie. But as jessie has mate, and stretch is xfce4, on stretch no MTA was installed.
1965 [15:54:29] <jelly> dpkg, tell TyrfingMjolnir about debootstrap
1966 [15:54:39] <Johann> shtrb|laptop: replaced-url
1967 [15:54:52] <jelly> TyrfingMjolnir: you'll have to get woody (debian 3.0) from archive.debian.org
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1969 [15:55:36] <Johann> so they pretty much did what's recommended by using main and not non-free
1970 [15:56:19] <shtrb|laptop> in that case I misread the manual in the past
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1972 [15:56:51] <shtrb|laptop> they also seem not to repackage for debian mssql (only set for ubuntu )
1973 [15:57:05] <johnfg> jelly: Looks like on jessie I have exim4-daemon-light providing sendmail.
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1977 [15:58:50] <jelly> johnfg: makes sense, that's the default that gets pulled in automatically
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1981 [15:59:41] <TomG2> maybe TyrfingMjolnir can use a VM to run Debian woody in
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1983 [16:00:04] <jelly> a full vm is probably a better idea
1984 [16:00:05] <TyrfingMjolnir> jelly: I
1985 [16:00:09] <jelly> can
1986 [16:00:11] <jelly> get no
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1988 [16:00:27] <TyrfingMjolnir> 'm able to debootstrap and chroot in that fashion; interactively
1989 [16:00:39] <jelly> good
1990 [16:00:41] <TyrfingMjolnir> But I never wrote a boot script that uses chroot.
1991 [16:00:47] <TyrfingMjolnir> or a service...
1992 [16:00:51] <jelly> oh, it's not that hard
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1995 [16:01:27] <TyrfingMjolnir> To make this even more adventurous I have chose to do this in a SmartOS LX zone of debian 8 flavour
1996 [16:01:27] <jelly> there's probably a better way, but I use a custom init script for that
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2002 [16:01:53] <jelly> no idea what SmartOS LX means.
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2005 [16:02:10] <jelly> "zone" sounds vaguely like Solaris
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2007 [16:02:40] <Johann> TyrfingMjolnir: i m not sure to understand your need, are you trying to have an application that needs to be chroot to automatically boot on your system ? Or are you trying to just manually start an app that need to be chroot ?
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2009 [16:03:30] <koris> why is #debian-next invite-only
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2011 [16:03:42] <jelly> koris: wrong network, it moved to irc.oftc.net
2012 [16:03:44] <koris> oh it isn't even on freenode nevermind
2013 [16:03:51] <koris> thanks
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2015 [16:04:40] <BluesKaj> not exactly a responsive bunch there
2016 [16:05:13] <koris> I just wanted to ask how things look for someone who wants to install Stretch as a general use OS
2017 [16:05:21] <koris> at this point, since it has already come so far
2018 [16:05:51] <jelly> mostly works, except when it doesn't
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2020 [16:06:00] <petn-randall> koris: It's quite usable, but just keep in mind that there are still a few bugs that keep it from being released.
2021 [16:06:25] <BluesKaj> koris, I'm using stretch and it'working fine with KDE/Plasma DE
2022 [16:06:32] <koris> hmmmmmmm, nice
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2025 [16:07:22] <celyr> koris, you can expect stretch to be really close as stable nowadays
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2027 [16:07:31] <jelly> TyrfingMjolnir: stupid init script for a chroot replaced-url
2028 [16:07:53] <jelly> sets up a couple bind mounts, starts/stops some services
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2030 [16:08:13] <jelly> sane people use containers for this
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2032 [16:09:04] <jhutchins> "sane" and "containers" in the same sentence?
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2034 [16:09:17] <OS-29603> #offsec
2035 [16:09:31] <OS-29603> hello
2036 [16:09:48] <petn-randall> Hi OS-29603
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2038 [16:10:34] <jhutchins> koris: stretch is real close now. On the other hand, that means that they might decide to fix a big issue that leaves it really broken for an extended period.
2039 [16:10:37] <petn-randall> OS-29603: Do you have a question about Kali?
2040 [16:10:45] <BluesKaj> I thought containers were for the paranoid
2041 [16:11:00] <jhutchins> BluesKaj: They're for the leet and trendy.
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2044 [16:11:54] <BluesKaj> jhutchins, ahh, well I'm old and not trendy , and don't care
2045 [16:11:59] <jelly> OS-29603: you probably want to type "/join #offsec" and not just "#offsec"
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2048 [16:12:15] <johnfg> jelly: with a different Desktop, like mate, right? xfce4 didn't pull one in.
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2051 [16:12:38] <jelly> johnfg: aptitude why exim4-daemon-light
2052 [16:12:38] <TheDillon__> Hello guys. Anyone here who can help me through a Debian install? I can get most of the way through, but I encounter a different "fatal error" each time.
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2055 [16:13:11] <koris> thanks
2056 [16:13:29] <BluesKaj> TheDillon__, using the GUI install?
2057 [16:13:43] <TheDillon__> Yes BluesKaj
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2060 [16:14:09] <somiaj> TheDillon__: how did you create the install image? Did you run a checksum on it to ensure it wasn't corrupted?
2061 [16:14:45] <TheDillon__> I did not, but one of the Admins (or whatever you call them) from the Linux channel gave it to me, so I imagine it to be good.
2062 [16:15:06] <BluesKaj> TheDillon__, I gave up on that installer and went with the plain (text) installer..worked fine
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2064 [16:15:28] <somiaj> TheDillon__: linux channel? Did they give you a usb key or a cd?
2065 [16:15:42] <topi`> jelly: I usually bind mount the entire /dev, but I guess /dev/pts is mainly enough?
2066 [16:15:55] <TheDillon__> somiaj: They gave me an .iso file that I dd'd onto a usb
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2068 [16:15:56] <somiaj> TheDillon__: guess I wasn't clear, how did you put the install image onto your install medium? Did you run a checksum on it.
2069 [16:16:08] <TheDillon__> BluesKaj: Ill try that next. Thanks!
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2071 [16:16:17] <TheDillon__> somiaj: Didn't run checksum, no
2072 [16:16:21] <somiaj> TheDillon__: okay, just double checking, the next thing I would do is run a checksum on it, had you got the image from debian, the checksums would have been in the same place you downloaded it.
2073 [16:16:24] <topi`> we might be talking about a different thing, thoug... I usually don't run my stuff under LXC
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2075 [16:17:17] <jelly> topi`: depends on what you need. /dev/pts is not there for services, but for me to do manual upgrades and run "script" inside which wants a tty
2076 [16:17:20] <somiaj> TheDillon__: anyways, you may have to give more detail on this 'fatal error', where it occured, etc. If it keeps occuring at random points it could be a corrupt image, or maybe some issue with memeory on your system. If you can identify the point that went wrong, we can give more suggestions on what could be the issue.
2077 [16:17:30] <topi`> jelly, good point
2078 [16:17:30] <BluesKaj> TheDillon__, I think the GUI isn't compatible with certain HW
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2081 [16:17:47] <TheDillon__> somiaj: I'm going to run the plaintext install and see what errors I get.
2082 [16:17:52] <TheDillon__> Thanks BluesKaj
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2085 [16:18:00] <koris> so how do you people think Stretch's version of KDE compares to KDE 4?
2086 [16:18:51] <BluesKaj> koris, it's kde/plasma5 if you're familiar
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2089 [16:19:43] <jhutchins> koris: You'll probably get better answers from #debian-next on oftc.net.
2090 [16:19:52] <jhutchins> koris: Most of the people here run stable.
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2093 [16:20:13] <jelly> some of the people that have stretch moved back from Plasma5 to xfce
2094 [16:20:30] <koris> ah, thanks
2095 [16:20:42] <jelly> because KDE people think backward compatibility is a foreign concept
2096 [16:20:52] <jelly> see also: kde 3.5 -> 4
2097 [16:21:03] <BluesKaj> stretch on on kde/plasma works well here, koris
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2099 [16:21:16] <BluesKaj> plasma5 that is
2100 [16:21:22] <koris> does it have all the features you want it to?
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2104 [16:22:40] <shtrb|laptop> BluesKaj , can you have two sessions at once ?
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2107 [16:23:02] <shtrb|laptop> (*) two plasma sessions at once
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2112 [16:23:45] <BluesKaj> some of my fav features were dropped like sparate backgrounds for each virtual dekstop , but using activities solves that problem...almost
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2114 [16:24:09] <shtrb|laptop> koris , the only serious issues (for me ) I have found with plasma is failure to support more than one X session
2115 [16:24:24] <BluesKaj> shtrb|laptop, user sessions ?
2116 [16:24:34] <shtrb|laptop> Also some slightly issues if you have messages that fill up the desktop
2117 [16:24:39] <koris> huh
2118 [16:24:39] <shtrb|laptop> no , plasma sessions
2119 [16:24:54] <shtrb|laptop> If you do not need to have two seperate users working side by side it's not an issue
2120 [16:25:11] <shtrb|laptop> BluesKaj , on lock screen when you click on new session
2121 [16:25:29] <shtrb|laptop> beware , the bug causes your X to go to vacation
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2123 [16:25:38] <BluesKaj> shtrb|laptop, I don't know
2124 [16:25:51] <johnfg> jelly: Interesting...on stretch, aptitude isn't even installed, by default.
2125 [16:26:14] <Johann> johnfg: has it ever been installed by default ?
2126 [16:26:17] <BluesKaj> I use different activities with different apps
2127 [16:26:22] <jelly> johnfg: same as on jessie, wheezy
2128 [16:26:23] <koris> I've never needed to have two separate users working side by side... it is interesting that some need that
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2130 [16:26:35] <shtrb|laptop> koris , also the issues with messages filling up the screen (that can happen to you if you have something doing wall or asking for a password in a different tty or by systemd)
2131 [16:26:56] <shtrb|laptop> koris , ok it's all depends on your use case
2132 [16:27:02] <johnfg> Johann: jelly: I've been running debian so long, that I don't remember explicitly installing aptitude.
2133 [16:27:32] <shtrb|laptop> seats and seperate sessions is something very old (and common when you wish to allow working on the same pc )
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2135 [16:29:07] <shtrb|laptop> koris , imagene you have two people and only one screen and keyboard , you don't wish to force one to close all his apps , so you allow them to login on a different tty (while the first get's up to grab some tea or whatever )
2136 [16:29:23] <koris> oh, yeah that makes sense
2137 [16:29:50] <shtrb|laptop> when you have seats configured (two screens + two keyboards ) everyone get's his own pair
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2140 [16:31:17] <BluesKaj> ttys aren't really sessions ...no DE
2141 [16:31:31] <shtrb|laptop> that is why you fire up a full blown X session
2142 [16:31:36] <shtrb|laptop> plasma session
2143 [16:31:44] <shtrb|laptop> another instance of everything
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2145 [16:32:00] <shtrb|laptop> sorry , if I wasn't clear
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2148 [16:32:48] <johnfg> I haven't used the 'why' of aptitude before. When it gave back from running the cmd you suggested, `i mixmaster Recommends postfix | mail-transport-agent, what does that mean?
2149 [16:33:21] <johnfg> Is the i showing that mixmaster is installed?
2150 [16:33:22] <shtrb|laptop> BluesKaj , if you don't have that use case than never mind (seats and second sessions are a special usecase)
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2153 [16:35:23] <jelly> johnfg: it means mixmaster package is (one of the) reason(s) why a MTA got installed
2154 [16:35:47] <BluesKaj> shtrb|laptop, check out the kde/plasma replaced-url
2155 [16:36:08] <jelly> johnfg: I _think_ it means that, yes.
2156 [16:36:17] <BluesKaj> shtrb|laptop, assume a similar situation on stretch
2157 [16:36:18] <shtrb|laptop> the idea is not to stop apps (not to store the session )
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2166 [16:39:28] <TheDillon__> Any specific package manager I should use? Or just default to ftp.us.debian.org
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2171 [16:42:06] <TomG2> there's a netselect package to help you pick out the nearest mirror if you like
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2176 [16:43:08] <TwistedFate> i finished compiling llvm-4.0 from source, now i can install it with dpkg -i llvm-4.0 right?
2177 [16:43:11] <shtrb|laptop> you can also use the mirrors from a list or reply on httpredir
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2182 [16:44:09] <BluesKaj> shtrb|laptop, maybe you can find some answers here replaced-url
2183 [16:44:13] <TwistedFate> llvm-4.0_4.0.1~+rc1-1_amd64.deb*
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2185 [16:44:50] <shtrb|laptop> BluesKaj , it was an open bug (that supposed to be fixed in 5.9 or 5.10 ) I'm still waiting for it to arrive in debian :)
2186 [16:44:53] <shtrb|laptop> to debian
2187 [16:45:10] <shtrb|laptop> *two separate bugs
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2189 [16:46:10] <BluesKaj> yeah kinda fiugred 5.9 was too advanced since I have 5.8
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2191 [16:46:41] <shtrb|laptop> so do I , the good old people at pkg-debian said to wait
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2194 [16:47:31] <BluesKaj> difficult to find kde.plasma info for debian
2195 [16:47:44] <topi`> what would be a good way of providing "customized" /etc files, like /etc/fstab or /etc/resolv.conf in a .deb form? as far as I know, if those files belong to some installed pkg, you cannot overwrite those files
2196 [16:48:02] <shtrb|laptop> *debian-kde , and the good guys do lot of good work and bring the stuff into debian
2197 [16:48:28] <topi`> or, let's say, /etc/dhcp/dhcpd.conf
2198 [16:48:31] <jelly> topi`: "don't" and possibly "use a configuration management system instead"
2199 [16:48:58] <shtrb|laptop> topi` , you can use diverts but why would you do it ?
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2201 [16:49:24] <jelly> shtrb|laptop: diverts behaviour on conffiles is not defined
2202 [16:49:25] <shtrb|laptop> maybe there is a simpler way
2203 [16:49:25] <topi`> because we need to provide a customized /etc/dhcp/dhcpd.conf
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2205 [16:49:30] <BluesKaj> shtrb|laptop, is debian-kde on oftc as well?
2206 [16:49:36] <shtrb|laptop> yes
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2209 [16:50:13] <topi`> jelly: what would be a useful configuration management system for a base debian install? (we're talking IoT here, no desktop stuff)
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2211 [16:50:27] <shtrb|laptop> topi` , If my memory does not betray me you have a folder where you could put extra settings for dhcpd
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2215 [16:51:11] <jelly> topi`: no idea really. There are dozens of those... salt, chef, puppet, propellor?!?
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2218 [16:51:32] <jelly> maybe just etckeeper and a git repo of your own?
2219 [16:51:44] <jelly> ansible?
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2221 [16:52:03] <topi`> shtrb|laptop: maybe not but I noticed that dhcpd can be given a different -cf file at startup. So maybe I just modify the .service file
2222 [16:52:19] <topi`> etckeeper sounds good :)
2223 [16:52:46] <jelly> really depends on how many machines you plan to manage and how similar they are
2224 [16:52:47] <shtrb|laptop> yes , but beware of touching it if your users relay on dhclient for location awre settings
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2230 [16:53:46] <shtrb|laptop> you can screw their geopositioning (braking E911 / 112)
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2237 [16:55:04] <TwistedFate> I am trying to build libclc from git but it requires clang-3.9 and i have clang-4.0 installed. is there a way to go around this?
2238 [16:55:10] <shtrb|laptop> *aware , breaking etc
2239 [16:55:18] <topi`> what's the difference between *.service files in /etc/systemd/ and /lib/systemd/ ?
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2241 [16:55:35] <shtrb|laptop> topi` , symlinks and real files
2242 [16:55:36] <greycat> A file in /etc/systemd/system/ overrides (completely) a file in /lib/systemd/system/
2243 [16:55:44] <shtrb|laptop> and overrides
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2248 [16:56:17] <greycat> A snippet in /etc/systemd/system/foo.service.d/*.conf overrides a single setting of a file in /lib/systemd/system/
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2259 [17:01:13] <TomG2> also SystemD is wicked software
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2270 [17:04:23] <topi`> TomG2: agreed, systemd is a bit wicked, but it fits our team's needs better than anything else
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2272 [17:04:45] <shtrb|laptop> which team ?
2273 [17:04:53] <jelly> wicked is a good thing right?
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2275 [17:05:08] <teraflops> idk I need moar context
2276 [17:05:14] <shtrb|laptop> soryy , I missed the"our" part
2277 [17:05:25] <topi`> shtrb|laptop: I work for money :D
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2279 [17:05:39] <topi`> we deploy systems based on debian
2280 [17:05:41] <TomG2> i don't want to create an argument (want to talk in #debian-offtopic?) but i guess i was just trying to stand up for what i think is right
2281 [17:05:49] <shtrb|laptop> topi` , as we all do , systemd caused me to loose money (waste time) sometimes so there is that
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2283 [17:06:22] <jelly> yeah, you have to learn NEW THINGS
2284 [17:06:22] <topi`> shtrb|laptop: also my work mate has some negative sentiments about systemd, and it takes a lot of time to convince him :)
2285 [17:06:28] <TomG2> it seems wrong and not the Linux spirit to see people talk about it and have to mention it
2286 [17:06:50] <shtrb|laptop> as I said , I missed that you said it suite your team
2287 [17:07:13] <topi`> my only gripe with systemd actually is the fact that it's become fairly complex. I only need the same set of features that e.g. Upstart had in its heyday
2288 [17:07:41] <petn-randall> topi`: You can always just use the basics.
2289 [17:07:45] <topi`> luckily Debian takes a bit conservative approach and we get the "older" version with "less" bleeding edge featuers
2290 [17:07:50] <shtrb|laptop> jelly , yes , but it was related to brakage on older versions which made me loose time to gain almost the same stuff as before
2291 [17:07:54] <greycat> As long as Debian keeps the ridiculous extensions (systemd-networkd?! really?!) off by default, I'm good.
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2294 [17:08:11] <topi`> agreed
2295 [17:08:27] <TomG2> try runit or GNU Shepherd or some other service managing software replaced-url
2296 [17:08:28] <petn-randall> topi`: The systemd team has created a large set of tools that replaces standard Linux tools, but they're mostly geared towards embedded systemd, like nspawn, timesyncd, and networkd.
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2299 [17:08:52] <topi`> TomG2: I trust CGroups more than "runit" or "monit" :)
2300 [17:09:19] <koris> I don't like systemd either but for now I use it until something like devuan's stretch hits stable
2301 [17:09:28] <koris> that's a ways away
2302 [17:09:34] <AtheroS__> hello, i try to configure a headless encrypted machine to be unlockable via LAN/WLAN, but the "tutorials" aren't working
2303 [17:09:42] <AtheroS__> it uses LUKS
2304 [17:09:43] <topi`> also, when it comes to old sysv ways, keeping track of processes by clinging to their PIDs is really really problematic - since the PIDs overwrap at 64K
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2307 [17:10:18] <greycat> Yeah, nobody is advocating sysvinit being *good*.
2308 [17:10:33] <glurp> Does anyone know the freaking systemd service which controls port 111?
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2310 [17:10:41] <TomG2> auth?
2311 [17:10:42] <AtheroS__> can someone help me ? i know i need dhcp server for wlan and dhcp client for lan and hostapd, all of this in initramfs
2312 [17:10:54] <TomG2> portmapper. sunrpc
2313 [17:10:59] <jelly> glurp: it's not systemd. It's either rpcbind or portmap, depending on debian release
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2315 [17:11:35] <jelly> glurp: use lsof, or ss, or netstat to find out which process is LISTEN ing on a port
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2320 [17:12:02] <glurp> looks like rpcbind got it
2321 [17:12:04] <topi`> glurp: try "netstat -apn | grep 111" to see who uses port 111
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2324 [17:12:26] <glurp> topi` it wasn't listed for some reason, which is why I asked
2325 [17:13:00] <glurp> I've been having issues with systemd default boot scripts for years and somehow I guess rpcbind snuck in there
2326 [17:13:00] <topi`> why is portmap even needed nowadays? ah, maybe nfsd needs it
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2329 [17:13:30] <topi`> perhaps nfs could be replaced with network block devices? like nbd
2330 [17:13:39] <greycat> This is the first time I'm hearing about GNU Shepherd. Looks ... like someone decided to rewrite systemd from the ground up and skip the ridiculous intrusive crap. And to use Guile for some reason.
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2335 [17:14:18] <glurp> I always get this error when I try to disable services: insserv: warning: current start runlevel(s) (empty) of script `rpcbind' overrides LSB defaults (S).
2336 [17:14:28] <glurp> I've tried pretty much all the googleable answers
2337 [17:14:38] <glurp> even messed with the rc scripts at one point
2338 [17:14:49] <glurp> but some services refuse to be disabled
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2340 [17:14:54] <sharp15> anyone know if it is possible to install debian gentoo style from with-in something like SystemRescueCD? i'm just curious.
2341 [17:14:54] <topi`> Guile..? that's something Scheme-like, right?
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2344 [17:15:11] <contrapunctus> It's a Scheme implementation.
2345 [17:15:28] <contrapunctus> It also has...Emacs Lisp and JavaScript frontends.
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2347 [17:15:33] <topi`> if they wanted a wider audience, they could have gone with python like the rest of us :)
2348 [17:16:06] <contrapunctus> topi`: Guile was supposed to be the extension language of the GNU project, or something.
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2351 [17:16:39] <jelly> greycat: I toyed with the idea of extending s6 (itself a clone and superset of daemontools) to be able to parse and use 80% of systemd units
2352 [17:17:09] <jelly> but not worth my time
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2356 [17:19:11] <colo-work> sharp15, debootstrap can help you do that
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2367 [17:22:09] <sharp15> colo-work: thanks.
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2369 [17:22:48] <colo-work> systemd is what we got. I think it's best to just accept that.
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2373 [17:23:02] <colo-work> (I'm not particularly unhappy with the result so far)
2374 [17:23:34] <hanasaki> in gnome... how do you add a shortcut to the dock for an app that is found in the filesystem using the fileexplorer?
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2379 [17:24:55] <sharp15> colo-work: was the systemd comment directed at me?
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2381 [17:25:27] <colo-work> sharp15, no :) just thrown into the channel for public consumption, because of the earlier conversation having taken place
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2383 [17:25:51] <sharp15> colo-work: ok. i was in channel yet. thanks for the clarification.
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2391 [17:27:42] <dcpc007> Hi, on debian7, with apache, why do i have many application log lines in the syslog ? i don't change many things from default config
2392 [17:28:09] <dcpc007> i have a logcheck on this log and then it spam me with all those application informations .... heavy
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2395 [17:29:04] <jelly> dcpc007: figure out which services are generating those, and address it by reconfiguring or removing those services.
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2397 [17:29:45] <jelly> dcpc007: or add logcheck ignore definitions for the stuff you're not interested in
2398 [17:29:59] <jelly> logcheck rules are not perfect
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2401 [17:30:35] <dcpc007> we have only one php/web site
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2406 [17:31:21] <dcpc007> not many apache server here, a long timle i don't check a lot apache conf
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2409 [17:32:09] <dcpc007> for speciic internal logs i ask dev to send custom logs via php_log to a local0 that i intercept in rsyslog.conf to put in a specific log.
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2411 [17:32:31] <dcpc007> i think there should not have details of web site actions in the /var/log/syslog
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2414 [17:32:55] <jelly> apache does not log to syslog. Other stuff does.
2415 [17:32:56] <the_sniff> Hi, I'm getting this error on debian 8.7 (wasnt on 7) replaced-url
2416 [17:34:23] <jelly> dcpc007: so you have custom source, doing syslog to custom facility? Configure syslog NOT to log that facility to the catch-all files.
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2419 [17:35:04] <dcpc007> hum ... i'll ask to dev what they do
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2421 [17:36:09] <dcpc007> correction, on those new ssevreurs, no rsyslog specific redirect ....
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2425 [17:36:19] <dcpc007> i check on the old one
2426 [17:36:34] <jelly> dcpc007: you already know they log to local0.* somewhere, so stop logging local0.* to /var/log/syslog, /var/log/messages, and wherever you have *.something logging to
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2430 [17:37:26] <jelly> dcpc007: eg. if you have *.*;auth,authpriv.none -/var/log/syslog like in default rsyslog, replace it with *.*;auth,authpriv,local0.none
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2433 [17:38:08] <dcpc007> grrrmmmblblb dev have finish work ... gone
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2435 [17:38:31] <jelly> the_sniff: you can't make a hardlink on a different mountpoint.
2436 [17:38:51] <caraconan> Hi there. Having issues with my Lenovo Thinkpad 13 because of too slow trackpoint. Very interesting info here: replaced-url
2437 [17:38:58] <jelly> the_sniff: which specific command is doing that?
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2439 [17:39:31] <the_sniff> jelly, why not? doing ln manually works. I have no idea which command does it because I can't find the run logs for backuppc in it's dirs
2440 [17:39:46] <dcpc007> yeah find something, line in rsyslog.conf with ",local0.none" was commented and default line back !!!!
2441 [17:40:17] <dcpc007> i fix it (and after fidn something heavy to throw on someone :) )
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2447 [17:42:13] <dcpc007> precision ! i put a rsyslog.d/appli.conf block file
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2450 [17:42:53] <jelly> the_sniff: doing ln from oue mountpoint to another does not, or should not, work
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2452 [17:43:01] <dcpc007> i configure all specific logs with filters, and at the end i found something which should prevnt data to go in other logs :
2453 [17:43:01] <dcpc007> local0.* ~
2454 [17:43:21] <jelly> dcpc007: where do you configure this?
2455 [17:43:38] <dcpc007> in /etc/rsyslog.d/appli.conf
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2457 [17:43:48] <jelly> dcpc007: and when is that read?
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2459 [17:44:17] <dcpc007> which is parsed via the $IncludeConfig /etc/rsyslog.conf/*.conf in /etc/rsyslog.conf, and this BEFORE the default RULES block
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2461 [17:44:46] <jelly> dcpc007: alright, so it doesn't work, or the logs are not matched by local0.*
2462 [17:44:53] <dcpc007> if i remember i read that this file is parsed line by line in order (then include files before the default rules)
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2467 [17:45:16] <dcpc007> i'll try to see if i find duplicated line in specific logs and syslog
2468 [17:45:19] <jelly> yes, order matters, that's why the include is before all the outputs in /etc/rsyslog.conf, that's ok
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2470 [17:45:33] <dcpc007> 10 min before i ust go :-(
2471 [17:45:49] <the_sniff> jelly why does backuppc try it if it shouldnt work?
2472 [17:46:03] <jelly> the_sniff: can you show your mountpoints, and output and exit status of that manual ln?
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2475 [17:46:44] <jelly> the_sniff: I have no idea what backupps tries, can you show which specific command or syscall fails to result in that message?
2476 [17:47:11] <the_sniff> jelly the journalctl shows nothing about it
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2480 [17:47:18] <the_sniff> and this is the only message from service control
2481 [17:47:26] <the_sniff> i can't find a log for backuppc though
2482 [17:48:34] <colo-work> the_sniff, those directories have to be on the same filesystem that also implements working hard links
2483 [17:48:40] <colo-work> it's hot backuppc does deduplication
2484 [17:48:45] <colo-work> it's how*
2485 [17:48:56] <colo-work> unless you fix that preconidition, it will not work on your system
2486 [17:49:04] <jelly> the_sniff: you'll have to ask someone who knows about backuppc.
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2488 [17:49:12] <jelly> sorry, not me
2489 [17:49:31] <the_sniff> colo-work: i know that, but why does backuppc even try that? maybe i left some stuff in the config. i'll check. thanks
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2494 [17:50:09] <colo-work> afaict, it's a pre-flight check if it can work at all. what's wrong/incompatible is (probably) how your filesystems are formatted and/or mounted on the machine running backuppc
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2496 [17:50:19] <jelly> probably like asking "why does rsync -al make hardlinks" "because you told it to"
2497 [17:50:26] <dcpc007> ok found, they put in prod without add my trick in the appli.conf
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2499 [17:50:42] <jelly> dcpc007: give them a slap
2500 [17:50:53] <the_sniff> colo-work the exact same config and mount points are on a different server and its not acting up
2501 [17:50:53] <jelly> and ask for beer as compensation
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2503 [17:50:54] <dcpc007> jelly: then logs are filtered to specific log, and after, parse by default trules :('
2504 [17:51:00] <dcpc007> ha i was ill :)
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2506 [17:51:20] <the_sniff> colo-work the dir inside /var/ should'nt even exist, it should be on the same path as the mount point according to my config. but it's not. could it be a bug in the newer backuppc?
2507 [17:51:25] <colo-work> the_sniff, *shrug* - does backuppc's service user have write access to that location?
2508 [17:51:30] <jelly> dcpc007: so they already owe you that beer!
2509 [17:51:31] <dcpc007> and nobody knows that i have an etckeeper on /etc to rember changes, even if we forget to write a doc :)
2510 [17:51:33] <the_sniff> colo-work yes
2511 [17:51:33] <sphalerite> Is there a name for the general text-based file format that debian-related tools use? The one with the fields, separated by newlines, which consist of the field name and its value, etc.. And I seem to remember there being tools for working with that format, but where were they?
2512 [17:51:45] <dcpc007> etdckeeper save me so often
2513 [17:51:48] <colo-work> we're still running out backuppc host on wheezy, so I would not know, sorry
2514 [17:51:50] <dcpc007> etckeepe
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2516 [17:52:10] <the_sniff> colo-work thanks
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2530 [17:58:42] <TheDillon__> Still here BluesKaj?
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2532 [17:58:57] <BluesKaj> TheDillon__, yup
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2535 [17:59:42] <TheDillon__> BluesKaj: Installation Step Failed - You can try to run the failing item again from the menu, or skip it and choose something else. The failing step is: Select and install software
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2540 [18:00:54] <BluesKaj> TheDillon__, is that wher you choose your desktop environment?
2541 [18:01:05] <TheDillon__> BluesKaj: Yup
2542 [18:01:45] <the_sniff> found my culprit, my cifs share doesnt let regular users access it
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2544 [18:02:55] <jelly> dcpc007: how many client systems and files are you backing up to that
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2546 [18:03:21] <sphalerite> Found what I was looking for, dctrl-tools
2547 [18:03:43] <dcpc007> jelly: backing ?
2548 [18:03:54] <BluesKaj> TheDillon__, what did you choose in the list, for example print server can be omitted if you don't have aprinter coonected to that pc
2549 [18:03:55] <dcpc007> it's like creating a git repo :)
2550 [18:04:02] <dcpc007> far much better than backup
2551 [18:04:13] <dcpc007> i have history of all modifications on the files in /etc
2552 [18:04:14] <TheDillon__> BluesKaj: Aside from the defaults, I went with Cinnamon
2553 [18:04:28] <dcpc007> and can comment them for "why do i modify it"
2554 [18:04:42] <dcpc007> and show diff, create a patch to reapply, ....
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2556 [18:05:14] <BluesKaj> TheDillon__, the default desktop is gnome, so i hope you omitted it
2557 [18:05:16] <dcpc007> configuration works only for /etc, but one day think to try add other PATH
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2560 [18:05:43] <TheDillon__> BluesKaj: Oh no, I didn't. I take it I should only have one desktop selected.
2561 [18:06:05] <BluesKaj> TheDillon__, I assume only one , yes
2562 [18:06:10] <dcpc007> thx, ihave to got
2563 [18:06:11] <dcpc007> go
2564 [18:06:16] <TheDillon__> BluesKaj: Ill try that out. Thanks man!
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2566 [18:06:26] <BluesKaj> TheDillon__, np
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2568 [18:06:56] <BluesKaj> TheDillon__, don't forget the spacebar is used to navigate
2569 [18:06:59] <the_sniff> colo-work it was an acccess issue, thanks! also i needed to create the dirs manually for some reason
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2581 [18:09:56] <jelly> dcpc007: not etckeeper, backuppc, and it meant to ask colo-work, sorry
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2583 [18:10:06] <jelly> s/it/I/;
2584 [18:10:25] <jelly> colo-work: how many client systems and files are you backing up w/ backuppc
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2589 [18:12:01] <c00kie> hello?
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2591 [18:12:12] <c00kie> anyone here?
2592 [18:12:48] <sphalerite> no
2593 [18:12:52] <c00kie> xD
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2595 [18:12:59] <c00kie> how r u?
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2598 [18:13:11] <sphalerite> Only 1698 people
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2608 [18:15:30] <TomG2> i guess you can try #debian-offtopic, c00kie, if you want to try general chat
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2610 [18:15:49] <petn-randall> !chat
2611 [18:15:50] <dpkg> This is not a chat channel, this is a Debian user support channel. Unless you have a Debian support question, please chat elsewhere, like #moocows on irc.oftc.net or ##chat on irc.freenode.net.
2612 [18:16:30] <jelly> !qotd0
2613 [18:16:30] <dpkg> <overclocker> hi, i'n using x3270 to connect to a sco server, everithing works fine except the function keys, ideas? <asg> overclocker: do you have a license for the function keys? <overclocker> i just want to use the F-keys of my keyboard when i connect to the sco server, do i need a licence to do that?
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2617 [18:19:05] <shtrb|laptop> Any sonicwall users around, and can say if they had been able to use standard ppp commands instead of the closed source SSLVPN ?
2618 [18:19:25] <shtrb|laptop> not ipsec , the adjusted ppp client
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2680 [18:42:38] <pie3> how do you syncronize content/aceess content when you are away?
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2683 [18:43:02] <greycat> Usually by putting it on a public Internet machine (web host, VPS).
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2686 [18:43:31] <greycat> Or if you have fairly reliable home electricity/internet, you can expose some services to the internet from your home computer.
2687 [18:43:47] <shtrb|laptop> I oncd used a tracker but now switch to webdav folders (works out of the box) inside a vpn
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2690 [18:44:32] <shtrb|laptop> pie3 , you can take a small pi that will run openvpn + webdav interface to share files
2691 [18:44:33] <pie3> shtrb|laptop: what is webdav?
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2695 [18:44:53] <pie3> openvpn is free? shtrb|laptop
2696 [18:44:54] <shtrb|laptop> a protocol to tranfer data
2697 [18:44:56] <shtrb|laptop> yes
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2699 [18:45:05] <pie3> why pi is required? cant i install it on my laptop?
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2702 [18:45:11] <greycat> !openvpn
2703 [18:45:12] <dpkg> OpenVPN is a <VPN> daemon, which can securely tunnel IP networks over one UDP or TCP port. Packaged for Debian, provides "openvpn" ifupdown hooks to <interfaces>. Add "script-security 2" in configuration files for use of external commands. Debian 8 "Jessie" users: see replaced-url
2704 [18:45:15] <pie3> oh more power consumption; is that the reason?
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2706 [18:45:19] <shtrb|laptop> you can , but you usually take your laptop with you
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2710 [18:45:36] <pie3> my laptop lies at home shtrb|laptop
2711 [18:45:38] <contrapunctus> pie3: I don't think laptops are supposed to be run for days or months on end either
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2714 [18:45:52] <pie3> ok contrapunctus got your point
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2717 [18:46:05] <pie3> i have rpi3
2718 [18:46:14] <shtrb|laptop> it will work like a charm
2719 [18:46:14] <pie3> so that seems the most wonderful use of it
2720 [18:46:22] <shtrb|laptop> one of many
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2723 [18:46:32] <pie3> what are other wonderful use you like for rpi?
2724 [18:46:43] <contrapunctus> XMPP server :>
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2726 [18:46:55] <pie3> is it for running website? contrapunctus
2727 [18:47:02] <pie3> i dont have any website yet
2728 [18:47:06] <greycat> You should probably be asking #raspbian.
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2730 [18:47:13] <shtrb|laptop> I had it to provide owncloud + vpn + email server
2731 [18:47:24] <shtrb|laptop> I think you can install debian on rpi3
2732 [18:47:25] <contrapunctus> pie3: XMPP is an open chat protocol.
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2734 [18:47:40] <pie3> i feel matrix is better contrapunctus
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2737 [18:47:42] <shtrb|laptop> pie3 , you can have your own dns server :)
2738 [18:47:46] <johnfg> Hi folks
2739 [18:47:52] <pie3> but why xmpp server is needed? contrapunctus
2740 [18:47:55] <shtrb|laptop> bind9 works ~ok on rpi
2741 [18:48:04] <pie3> when one will have facebook/whatsapp/linkedin/gmail access?
2742 [18:48:05] <contrapunctus> with many open source clients, also purported to be (formerly?) used in WhatsApp, FB Messenger, GTalk
2743 [18:48:09] <shtrb|laptop> if you like to provdide chat to your uses
2744 [18:48:12] <greycat> I would not install bind9 if I'm setting up a new DNS server.
2745 [18:48:12] <johnfg> Anyone else have a problem getting firefox to start on stretch/xfce4?
2746 [18:48:38] <shtrb|laptop> greycat , but bind9 is so easy to setup
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2748 [18:48:43] <greycat> *snort*
2749 [18:48:52] <shtrb|laptop> ?
2750 [18:48:55] <greycat> Funny.
2751 [18:49:00] <johnfg> Also, using openldap for user information, what should I have selected in the auth-pam-update dialog?
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2753 [18:49:06] <greycat> That's like saying sendmail is easy to set up.
2754 [18:49:11] <contrapunctus> pie3: well, if you want control of your data, using XMPP or Matrix is better than relying on proprietary software and commercial data-mining silos.
2755 [18:49:16] <greycat> Or Apache.
2756 [18:49:19] <shtrb|laptop> ok , my standards are low , but bind9 is really easy to setup
2757 [18:49:22] <shtrb|laptop> and apache
2758 [18:49:29] <greycat> That means you've never tried anything else.
2759 [18:49:30] <contrapunctus> (and running your own server is best of all, if you have the know-how and do it well)
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2763 [18:51:15] <shtrb|laptop> greycat , or that I'm used to it and in comparison to other tools it's easy to setup
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2766 [18:51:29] <greycat> Stockholm syndrome. ;-)
2767 [18:51:30] <Owner> hello, i dont know my root password
2768 [18:51:37] <greycat> !i forgot root's password
2769 [18:51:37] <dpkg> For GRUB: 1) press 'e' to edit the kernel setting in the grub command line (add 'init=/bin/sh' to the end of it) 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) 'reboot -d -f' (exec /sbin/init should work); For LILO: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at the LILO boot prompt (hold Shift while booting), steps 2-6 are the same; For yaboot: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at yaboot prompt.
2770 [18:51:40] <Owner> system boots fine, but kernel panics when i try init=/bin/sh
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2776 [18:53:00] <Owner> oh, you put it at the very end of grub...i was putting it at the end of the kernel line
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2778 [18:53:29] <Owner> ah it didtn work
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2780 [18:53:36] <Owner> just went to password prompt
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2783 [18:54:04] <shtrb|laptop> greycat , maybe you are correct
2784 [18:54:05] <TwistedFate> I am using 64bit OS, how can I make dpkg-buildpackage to build i386 architecture too?
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2787 [18:54:55] <TwistedFate> i tried using dpkg-buildpackage --target-arch=i386 -us -uc but it gave me amd64.deb again
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2789 [18:56:33] <greycat> TwistedFate: if nobody replies here, you might get better help in #debian-mentors on OFTC (not Freenode)
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2795 [19:01:03] <TomG2> maybe you're better off with chroot
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2798 [19:02:20] <greycat> You mean an entire debootstrap'ed i386 Debian installation inside a chroot on an amd64 system?
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2801 [19:03:22] <TomG2> that's what the web pages seem to be suggesting
2802 [19:03:32] <greycat> That sounds like it would work, but I've never tried.
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2820 [19:12:58] <TomG2> well i'm trying it now--i guess i'm just curious. i want to know
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2826 [19:18:03] <TwistedFate> seems like i got into a dependency hell :( replaced-url
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2842 [19:25:51] <TomG2> try apt-get remove libdrm-dev:i386 ?
2843 [19:26:07] <TomG2> wait you did
2844 [19:26:33] <TomG2> you can try removing libegl1-mesa-dev:i386 too
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2860 [19:30:25] <LTCD> Hey. I have Windows 10 and Mint dualbooted. I want to remove Mint and install Debian instead. Is this possible, I would rather not have to format whole computer to do it?
2861 [19:30:47] <Ryihne> you can install debian without the format
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2864 [19:30:58] <Ryihne> just choose the mint partition while installing
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2866 [19:31:33] <LTCD> Ryihne I do not see it sadly, it shows my HDD and the USB memory stick
2867 [19:32:00] <Ryihne> oh,so you don't access the mint from grub?
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2871 [19:32:43] <LTCD> Ryihne I do use Grub. Maybe I quit the installation early out of fear?
2872 [19:32:54] <Dreaman> LTCD just format root may be boot swap not and install debian
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2874 [19:33:14] <Dreaman> use net install unetbootin
2875 [19:33:22] <altyr> Dreaman: no.
2876 [19:33:25] <Dreaman> not cd dvd or usb
2877 [19:33:31] <altyr> no unetbootin
2878 [19:33:35] <Ryihne> he already has the live cd Dreaman
2879 [19:33:40] <Ryihne> isn't it so LTCD
2880 [19:33:43] <LTCD> Mint sadly is broken, does not connect to internet. I am using a live USB.
2881 [19:33:48] <shtrb|laptop> pie3 , I will need to logout soon , so you can ask around here about openvpn , guacamole (replaced-url
2882 [19:34:02] <LTCD> Ryihne I am using live USB unetbootin.
2883 [19:34:33] <Ryihne> did it atleast reach a window displaying all the partitions?
2884 [19:34:38] <Dreaman> mint part is
2885 [19:34:55] <Dreaman> gb boot root swap
2886 [19:34:56] <Dreaman> is
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2889 [19:35:32] <LTCD> Ryihne Do you have Whatsapp or snapchat? Sadly I only have one computer so I can't talk to you while I do it. I got to the screen where it said Manual, format and encrypt can't rememebr exactly.
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2897 [19:36:50] <chatter29> hey guys
2898 [19:36:53] <chatter29> allah is doing
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2900 [19:37:00] <chatter29> sun is not doing allah is doing
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2902 [19:37:04] <chatter29> to accept Islam say that i bear witness that there is no deity worthy of worship except Allah and Muhammad peace be upon him is his slave and messenger
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2906 [19:37:33] <NoxiousPluK> I'm feeling very enlightened
2907 [19:38:16] <LTCD> Ryihne If I log into this IRC channel from another computer do you mind checking on me as I go along? I'd rather not accidentally format everything.
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2910 [19:38:49] <Dreaman> replaced-url
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2912 [19:39:48] <LTCD> Dreamman and Ryihne I was using graphical install.
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2917 [19:40:45] <Dreaman> i use win unetbooting and net install dos
2918 [19:41:01] <Dreaman> not graphical
2919 [19:41:51] <LTCD> Dreaman I have Windows 10 and Linux Mint installed, would you walk me through the process of formatting Mint and installing Debian>
2920 [19:41:54] <LTCD> ?*
2921 [19:42:07] <Dreaman> no
2922 [19:42:27] <Dreaman> i4 os ubuntu debian fedora win
2923 [19:42:33] <Dreaman> is not good idea
2924 [19:42:43] <pie3> so how many of use xmpp server?
2925 [19:42:46] <Dreaman> i use 2
2926 [19:42:48] <pie3> how many of you
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2928 [19:42:53] <pie3> 2 why?
2929 [19:42:56] <pie3> one is not sufficinet?
2930 [19:42:56] <LTCD> Dreamman I just want Windows10 and Debian.
2931 [19:43:03] <Dreaman> ok
2932 [19:43:08] <Dreaman> sam like me
2933 [19:43:16] <Dreaman> but i uuse ubuntu and 10
2934 [19:43:23] <Dreaman> same install
2935 [19:43:33] <Dreaman> ubuntu is deb
2936 [19:43:37] <LTCD> Dreaman I'll BRB let me swap computers.
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2938 [19:44:02] <Dreaman> ram is
2939 [19:44:06] <Dreaman> my is 4 gb
2940 [19:44:15] <Dreaman> and swap is 8gb
2941 [19:44:35] <Dreaman> win is 4 gb normal is 1.4
2942 [19:44:41] <Dreaman> but i use 4
2943 [19:45:03] <Dreaman> 2 hdd 750 is win 250 is linux
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2945 [19:45:19] <Dreaman> boot part is 600mb swap nad root
2946 [19:45:20] <LTCD> Back Dreaman
2947 [19:45:38] <Dreaman> ok
2948 [19:46:08] <LTCD> Dreaman I'll go into installation now on my other laptop.
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2950 [19:46:30] <Dreaman> i use laptop
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2952 [19:46:34] <Dreaman> this is my pc
2953 [19:46:41] <Dreaman> laptop is ssd
2954 [19:46:45] <Dreaman> win 10
2955 [19:46:54] <Dreaman> 1 tb normal hdd
2956 [19:47:03] <Dreaman> 100 gb is my linux
2957 [19:47:17] <Dreaman> smae thing but swap is 10 gb
2958 [19:47:29] <Dreaman> is new in 8 gb normal ram
2959 [19:49:12] <LTCD> Dreaman What should I use - install or graphical?
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2961 [19:49:55] <Dreaman> dos
2962 [19:50:06] <Dreaman> not graphical
2963 [19:50:09] <Dreaman> net install
2964 [19:50:31] <Dreaman> and no old pc try testing old stable
2965 [19:50:40] <LTCD> I don't have graphical sorry
2966 [19:50:49] <LTCD> bro
2967 [19:50:57] <LTCD> I do not know what "dos" means sorry.
2968 [19:51:06] <Dreaman> normal
2969 [19:51:11] <LTCD> o.O
2970 [19:51:16] <Dreaman> for me
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2973 [19:51:35] <LTCD> It's not net install for me
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2979 [19:53:54] <CrackerJack> replaced-url
2980 [19:53:59] <Dreaman> :)
2981 [19:54:41] <pie3> do you use exim email? or any other equivalent?
2982 [19:55:20] <LTCD> CrackerJack What are you trying to show?
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2985 [19:56:05] <Dreaman> my hdd parts and boot dual
2986 [19:56:21] <Dreaman> is easy
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2991 [19:57:49] <LTCD> I'm not saying dual booting is hard guys, I just don't get why it doesn't display Windows and Mint as two different things.
2992 [19:58:03] <LTCD> What should I do: Guided or Manual?
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2994 [19:58:41] <greycat> !mint
2995 [19:58:41] <dpkg> Linux Mint is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Please use their forums at replaced-url
2996 [19:59:23] <altyr> greycat: they're trying to install debian over it, so that should count
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2998 [19:59:28] <LTCD> greycat I am formatting over it.
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3000 [19:59:45] <LTCD> Guys something weird happened - this time it shows the partitions, sorry maybe it was all a glitch :/
3001 [20:01:02] <TomG2> cool :)
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3049 [20:20:17] <pie3> exim has no use if i dont have personal domain?
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3051 [20:21:26] <jolt> pie3: It's used for internal mails as well
3052 [20:21:40] <jolt> pie3: and general MTA work, like delivering local mails to an external address
3053 [20:21:59] <JPT> email is based on DNS
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3055 [20:22:23] <JPT> You can probably configure exim to use an existing mail account from yahoo or whatever.
3056 [20:22:25] <pie3> jolt: does it add any value for internet emails?
3057 [20:22:34] <JPT> But that's for submission only
3058 [20:22:45] <pie3> i mean is it worth if i use only internet emails
3059 [20:22:55] <pie3> JPT:
3060 [20:23:00] <jolt> pie3: If you have server X, and want system emails deliviered to your someuser@gmail.com, then yes, exim will do the handling of that (if configured correctly)
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3063 [20:23:22] <jolt> pie3: But it's not mandatory, and there are other alternatives. But it's an ok default
3064 [20:23:31] <JPT> If you want to get into setting up a full mail server, you will need an own domain.
3065 [20:23:57] <JPT> This will take a lot of time and patience. Email is a hell of a stack of software and concepts
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3067 [20:24:14] <JPT> exim is just one of the most common building blocks: an MTA
3068 [20:24:24] <pie3> jolt: whcih are other alternatives?
3069 [20:24:27] <JPT> All it can provide is smtp
3070 [20:24:27] <pie3> tell me few
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3073 [20:26:03] <jolt> pie3: apt search "mail transfer agent"
3074 [20:26:19] <pie3> what is server x? jolt how to configure it? what is its benefit?
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3076 [20:26:52] <pie3> really that is quite long list
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3078 [20:27:14] <pie3> so people must be using any one of them?
3079 [20:27:23] <pie3> usually
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3083 [20:28:00] <jolt> pie3: That is not my job to help you with. Search for MTA, or how to configure exim if you wish. There are endless guides out there, but writing each step here isn't something I would do.
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3085 [20:28:26] <pie3> ok
3086 [20:28:28] <jolt> pie3: Most people that wants to forward email from their servers uses exim or postfix (I would guess)
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3088 [20:28:55] <pie3> server=gmail/yahoomail?
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3090 [20:29:02] <pie3> forward to their database?
3091 [20:29:04] <pie3> for storage?
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3093 [20:32:08] <jolt> pie3: Sorry. But without a clear question I cant help you.
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3102 [20:40:03] <DammitJim> what should I use to restart connman after my laptop gets waken up from standby?
3103 [20:40:13] <DammitJim> I close the lid to my laptop and it goes into standby
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3108 [20:40:38] <DammitJim> then when I open up the lid and things get "restored," the WiFi doesn't try to re-connect
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3110 [20:40:48] <teraflops> ideally you should not need to run anything I think
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3115 [20:44:22] <jolt> DammitJim: worst case you might be able to do something with acpi. I used that to handle dock/redock events on my previous thinkpad
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3120 [20:45:25] <jolt> DammitJim: Not sure if you run something like powertop for batterylife, but I think that has hooks for stuff like that as well
3121 [20:45:33] <jolt> Don't remember what I ran on it unfortunately
3122 [20:45:54] <jolt> tlp maybe
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3147 [20:54:10] <Tactical_Chicken> hello
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3152 [20:56:00] <vlt> Hi
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3154 [20:56:32] <Tactical_Chicken> If I run a business and was to sell Debian live usb drives and ONLY charged for the drive itself and NOT Debian.....is that an infringement/allowed?
3155 [20:56:53] <DammitJim> thanks jolt
3156 [20:56:57] <DammitJim> I'll look into that
3157 [20:57:19] <jolt> DammitJim: Sorry I don't have anything more firm than that to give you
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3161 [20:58:47] <DammitJim> it's all good
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3166 [21:01:00] <teraflops> DammitJim: archwiki has good info about it
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3203 [21:11:18] <AtheroS__> hello, i have a headless encrypted debian armhf machine, and i want to unlock it remotely via LAN/WLAN. i know i need dhcp server/client and hostapd in initramfs, but how can i make this ? i tried many tutorials, they aren't working, i can't see the machine on the network
3204 [21:11:27] <AtheroS__> can someone help me please ?
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3213 [21:18:12] <MolluskEmpire> Alright, Wicd continues to fail at Validating authentication. Networks show but it continuously fails to connect. Does anyone know what may be the issue or a workaround? I have restarted the router and can connect to it fine wirelessly on other devices as well as direct wired on this device.
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3221 [21:21:25] <vlt> AtheroS__: Encrypted on which level?
3222 [21:21:57] <AtheroS__> encrypted rootfs with LUKS
3223 [21:22:07] <AtheroS__> initramfs isn't encrypted
3224 [21:22:46] <AtheroS__> it gets the key from the user and puts into ram to dencrypt/encrypt the data from/to the rootfs
3225 [21:23:09] <AtheroS__> i want to give the key for the initramfs via LAN/WLAN
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3233 [21:25:43] <JPT> AtheroS__: Why do you think that this solution is safe enough for your requirements?
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3235 [21:26:16] <JPT> I could just pass by, plug my laptop into your network and get the key myself
3236 [21:26:22] <Tactical_Chicken> ....and Bingo was his Name-OH !!!!!
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3238 [21:26:59] <AtheroS__> is this a Q/A ? i just want to solve the problem technically - and wpa2 and ssh are secure
3239 [21:27:20] <JPT> Just want to point out that the solution is not 100% waterproof
3240 [21:27:30] <AtheroS__> why ?
3241 [21:27:34] <AtheroS__> ssh uses rsa
3242 [21:27:45] <rpd_> AtheroS__: replaced-url
3243 [21:27:51] <Tactical_Chicken> success: It is in Settings/Advanced ....then just change the Autojoin delay
3244 [21:28:15] <JPT> So the machine has an ssh key and a wpa key in order to fetch the luks encryption key from the network?
3245 [21:28:57] <AtheroS__> i login via ssh on the wifi and i type the password
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3247 [21:29:07] <JPT> oh
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3249 [21:29:23] <rpd_> JPT: initramfs's init runs dropbear, user logs in and does luksOpen
3250 [21:29:37] <AtheroS__> and the kali tutorial doesn't works
3251 [21:29:41] <JPT> so you want the initramfs to join the wifi (needs a locally stored key that is not encrypted) to be able to ssh in and unlock the disk
3252 [21:29:43] <AtheroS__> i tried it already
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3254 [21:29:53] <JPT> that might be a bit better than what i imagined
3255 [21:30:08] <AtheroS__> no - initramfs will run hostapd
3256 [21:30:18] <AtheroS__> i connect with a wpa2 client
3257 [21:30:27] <JPT> aaah
3258 [21:30:30] <JPT> okay.
3259 [21:30:46] <JPT> all of those things were not clear to me when you described it first :)
3260 [21:30:53] <JPT> i aprove
3261 [21:31:02] <JPT> Not ideal, but certainly good enough
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3263 [21:31:33] <Tactical_Chicken> oh crap... I posted in the wrong channel...LOL...need more coffee
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3266 [21:32:02] <AtheroS__> but how can i do this ? i tried first ssh from lan but the dhcp client isn't working
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3270 [21:32:55] <AtheroS__> replaced-url
3271 [21:33:06] <AtheroS__> its with dropbear and lan
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3275 [21:33:54] <JPT> Why doesn't it work? What do the logs say? Do you get any errors?
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3278 [21:34:05] <AtheroS__> JPT: i cant see the machine on an nmap scan its not connected to the network
3279 [21:34:06] <glaucom> hey all
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3282 [21:34:28] <AtheroS__> JPT: the dhcp client doesn't works
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3284 [21:34:39] <JPT> I thought the machine would become an access point itself?
3285 [21:35:06] <AtheroS__> JPT: that will be the second thing
3286 [21:35:25] <AtheroS__> JPT: first i want to try to connect from lan and then hostapd
3287 [21:36:01] <AtheroS__> JPT: there aren't any tutorials for hostapd in initramfs
3288 [21:36:21] <glaucom> lasted debian 8.8 no have drivers wifi ???
3289 [21:36:24] <AtheroS__> first from lan with tutorials
3290 [21:36:37] <AtheroS__> but tutorials doesn't work
3291 [21:37:06] <JPT> Well - i guess it might be a good idea to check the network configuration of your initramfs and maybe configure it that you get a local shell to debug a bit
3292 [21:37:13] <glaucom> replaced-url
3293 [21:37:36] <AtheroS__> JPT: how can i get shell to the initramfs ?
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3296 [21:37:55] <JPT> I don't know yet - i would need to do research and try a lot of stuff
3297 [21:38:03] <JPT> But that's what you probably need to do anyways.
3298 [21:38:10] <JPT> There aren't tutorials for everything out there
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3301 [21:39:05] <JPT> glaucom: Drivers yes, firmware - if you add non-free sources then probably yes, otherwise no due to license stuff or something like that
3302 [21:39:58] <glaucom> ubuntu have ¬¬
3303 [21:40:17] <JPT> Maybe take a look at this site and check if what you're looking for is listed: replaced-url
3304 [21:40:27] <JPT> Well, debian is not ubuntu
3305 [21:40:36] <glaucom> lol
3306 [21:40:43] <AtheroS__> JPT: so you can't help ?
3307 [21:40:46] <JPT> If you want ubuntu, get ubuntu
3308 [21:41:25] <glaucom> no i no want ubuntu
3309 [21:41:26] <JPT> AtheroS__: I'm sorry, but i never did such a thing before. Maybe you can find someone in here (or elsewhere) who knows more about building initramfs images - but i imagine that it should be possible to find good resources on the internet for that, too
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3315 [21:44:57] <Tactical_Chicken> Debian really is where it is at....
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3325 [21:50:46] <pie3> yacy can help to get rid of google completely?
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3356 [22:05:04] <jelly> !tell glaucom about firmware images
3357 [22:05:11] <jelly> oh, they left
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3368 [22:12:44] <tables> how do i completely remove a package?
3369 [22:12:55] <tables> with config files and everything
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3373 [22:13:55] <adc> tables: `apt-get remove --purge <package>`
3374 [22:14:08] <tables> is there anything stronger?
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3376 [22:14:16] <tables> for removing packages and everything
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3379 [22:15:17] <RedAcor> wipe it
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3385 [22:16:14] <humbot> purge doesn't always remove configs in ~
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3387 [22:16:31] <greycat> Files in ~ are not "config files" from dpkg's point of view. They're user files.
3388 [22:16:35] <zykotick9> s/doesn't always/never/
3389 [22:17:03] <adc> and they are presumably not created by dpkg in the first place?
3390 [22:17:17] <greycat> Right. They'd be created by the software itself when a user runs it.
3391 [22:17:37] <adc> yeah, so it would be difficult for dpkg to even now about the existence of them
3392 [22:17:41] <zykotick9> adc: tables <sidenote> 'apt-get purge <package>' is less characters to type...
3393 [22:17:46] <greycat> Spamming a default config file into every existing user home directory upon pkg installation is Just Not How It's Done.
3394 [22:17:59] <adc> zykotick9: thanks!
3395 [22:18:00] <phogg> adc: the real danger is guessing wrong and nuking user data.
3396 [22:18:13] <greycat> zykotick9: but is it less than dpkg --purge?
3397 [22:18:59] <zykotick9> greycat: interesting... i haven't typically used dpkg for package management, but i guess sometimes it has it's benefits. thanks.
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3403 [22:22:33] <MolluskEmpire> Can anyone help me with a failing connection through Wicd?
3404 [22:23:19] <CyrusYzGTt> sorry I use NM in debian stretch(testing)..
3405 [22:23:34] <CyrusYzGTt> and never use wicd before
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3409 [22:24:47] <MolluskEmpire> Perhaps I should just use NM? Wicd came with my debian install.
3410 [22:25:19] <TomG2> not now, MolluskEmpire, but maybe if you hang around someone might be able to answer later
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3412 [22:25:58] <MolluskEmpire> Fair enough.
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3414 [22:26:37] <zykotick9> MolluskEmpire: probably. n-m is a bit more tested/used at this point... ymmv. i actually use wicd-curses personally, but the general consensus of #d "seems" to be, that n-m is a better choice. ymmv. also, providing more details - like what the problem is, might also help.
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3416 [22:27:05] <TomG2> not as many people use WICD nowadays, and i've tried it, but it didn't work that great... although I'm "going" for it since I despise network-manager
3417 [22:27:09] <TomG2> -related software
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3423 [22:28:09] <MolluskEmpire> Well, my wired connection functions just fine, it's how I'm on irc atm. However any wireless connection freezes at validating authentication.
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3425 [22:28:35] <MolluskEmpire> Other devices seem fine, I've also attempted a staight reboot of my system corresponding with a reboot of the router.
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3430 [22:30:03] <MolluskEmpire> (as an aside into n-m land, is there an lxcd front-end for it or must one use GNome/Plasma for a gui?)
3431 [22:30:48] <MolluskEmpire> (err, LXDE*)
3432 [22:31:05] <CyrusYzGTt> NM has nmcli for nogui and terminal
3433 [22:31:16] <ee> Hello boyz. I'm running virt-manager / qemu-kvm / libvirt-bin for virtual machines, but I can't connect to internet if I use openvpn on the host. I'm using the std connection NAT for network. Anyone can help me setting up this?
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3438 [22:32:37] <zykotick9> MolluskEmpire: <only a "for testing purposes" suggestion> but replaced-url
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3442 [22:34:04] <MolluskEmpire> zykotick9: Thank you, I'll start looking into that.
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3444 [22:34:07] <zykotick9> ee: <suggestion only> you might want to try the #virt channel on the OFTC network for such a specialized question...
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3454 [22:38:08] <ee> zykotick9: ok thanks, will try.
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3462 [22:41:04] <CyrusYzGTt> replaced-url
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3487 [22:57:42] <backdrop> Do you still edit ip settings in /etc/network/interface ?
3488 [22:58:13] <greycat> You can. Most people do, if they have experience with non-GUI environments.
3489 [22:58:14] <backdrop> Or does systemD has it's own network manger
3490 [22:58:24] <greycat> systemd-networkd is not used by default.
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3493 [22:59:08] <greycat> Also, anything defined in /etc/network/interfaces is *not* managed by NetworkManager, if you happen to use NM.
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3495 [22:59:25] <backdrop> I'm using networkd
3496 [22:59:47] <greycat> Good luck with that.
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3500 [23:00:56] <teraflops> backdrop: in systemd 215 networkd is a bit ereplaced-url
3501 [23:01:11] <backdrop> I updated systemd to 237
3502 [23:01:25] <greycat> ,v systemd
3503 [23:01:26] <judd> Package: systemd on amd64 -- wheezy: 44-11+deb7u4; wheezy-security: 44-11+deb7u5; wheezy-backports: 204-14~bpo70+1; jessie: 215-17+deb8u7; jessie-backports: 230-7~bpo8+2; sid: 232-23; stretch: 232-23; experimental: 233-6
3504 [23:01:29] <greycat> ...
3505 [23:01:44] <greycat> I don't think I can even consider this a Debian system any more.
3506 [23:01:57] <teraflops> hehe
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3509 [23:03:25] <backdrop> Any systemd version under 228 has exploit that can allow a remote user root access
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3513 [23:04:22] <nath> morning all, dont' know if this the right channel for asking, but does anyone know which packet contains PenguinAttack font? or a way to find that out?
3514 [23:04:28] <greycat> Now I suspect you're just spreading FUD.
3515 [23:04:31] <altyr> backdrop: unless it was patched
3516 [23:04:42] <altyr> assuming that vulnerability actually exist
3517 [23:04:57] <teraflops> /e/n/i is fine. even NM since it has nmtui/nmcli
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3524 [23:09:01] <backdrop> The name of the exploit is called CVE-2016-10156
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3527 [23:09:44] <altyr> backdrop: replaced-url
3528 [23:09:48] <altyr> looks good
3529 [23:09:56] <greycat> replaced-url
3530 [23:10:05] <greycat> wow, ninjas
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3532 [23:11:01] <altyr> greycat: witness my link-fu
3533 [23:11:32] <teraflops> backdrop: you can like or dislike debian but its security team is fucking good
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3536 [23:11:51] <backdrop> i never said they where bad
3537 [23:12:18] <teraflops> yeah just saying
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3558 [23:21:17] <TomG2> what if there's more security holes in systemd that we'll only find out about in the future?
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3562 [23:22:03] <teraflops> What if...
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3564 [23:22:12] <at0m> there will always be holes. it's just a matter of who finds them first
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3566 [23:22:43] <TomG2> were there any holes in sysvinit?
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3568 [23:23:17] <dontknow> top secret
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3570 [23:23:52] <greycat> sysvinit *is* a hole
3571 [23:24:25] <greycat> The entire design is driven by PID files which are inherently broken. Just wrap the PIDs around until you get the one in the file.
3572 [23:25:03] <koollman> hmm... no. most sysvinit scripts used pid files. but that's not the design
3573 [23:25:27] <greycat> If you ever plan to kill the daemon later, it is.
3574 [23:25:35] <koollman> the base design is in inittab. and it's stupid enough to be hard to break :)
3575 [23:25:51] <greycat> Oh, right, the inittab respawn part that nobody ever used.
3576 [23:25:57] <greycat> But the init.d part is shit.
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3578 [23:26:14] <backdrop> sysvinit was stable and simple and only had one function
3579 [23:26:15] <koollman> I really miss my inittab :/
3580 [23:27:04] <teraflops> i like runit
3581 [23:27:11] <backdrop> upstart
3582 [23:27:48] <koollman> greycat: and, yeah, many init.d scripts are bad. But they do not really have to be. one could make a different rc.sysinit
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3584 [23:28:40] <backdrop> the guy who made systemd also made pulse audio
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3588 [23:30:31] <TyrfingMjolnir> How can I find out which version of debian uses glibc 2.0?
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3591 [23:30:52] <at0m> ,v glibc
3592 [23:30:52] <judd> No package named 'glibc' was found in amd64.
3593 [23:30:54] <greycat> TyrfingMjolnir: brute force search, most likely.
3594 [23:31:07] <greycat> TyrfingMjolnir: start with debian 3.0 and work your way back
3595 [23:31:09] <TyrfingMjolnir> This is for i386
3596 [23:31:14] <greycat> wouldn't matter which arch
3597 [23:31:19] <TyrfingMjolnir> 2.1 or 3.0 is my guess
3598 [23:31:33] <greycat> Right, so go look in the archive/snapshot for those.
3599 [23:31:35] <TomG2> you can't wrap the pid around if it's still being used
3600 [23:31:42] <backdrop> replaced-url
3601 [23:32:02] <greycat> TomG2: well obviously you have to DOS the process first.
3602 [23:32:20] <greycat> and it won't respawn, because init.d
3603 [23:32:21] <koollman> TomG2: you could have the service dying for any kind of reason. then you just hope no new process get its pid. and of course, you can write something slightly smarter than a simple pid check
3604 [23:32:29] <TyrfingMjolnir> libc.so.6(GLIBC_2.0)
3605 [23:32:35] <TyrfingMjolnir> to libc.so.6(GLIBC_2.1.2)
3606 [23:33:05] <backdrop> log check
3607 [23:33:26] <TomG2> sysvinit was just a lacking point in Linux... i don't _really_ want to argue SystemD
3608 [23:33:55] <TyrfingMjolnir> There is devuan
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3610 [23:34:20] <backdrop> yet another debian base distro
3611 [23:34:41] <TyrfingMjolnir> It's debian 8 with sysvinit
3612 [23:34:45] <koollman> not arguing. just saying that doing just a pid check is wrong, but that was not anything specifically designed in sysvinit
3613 [23:34:47] <TyrfingMjolnir> From what I understand
3614 [23:34:51] <jelly> TyrfingMjolnir: what's your goal with glibc 2.0?
3615 [23:35:05] <TomG2> koollman, I was arguing... :)
3616 [23:35:19] <TyrfingMjolnir> To run FileMaker 5.5 Server in an LX debian 8 zone under Joyent SmartOS
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3618 [23:35:31] <TyrfingMjolnir> yet chrooted to a subset of woody
3619 [23:35:55] <TyrfingMjolnir> It's for a talk I'm doing
3620 [23:36:10] <koollman> is the talk about the ways we seek for pain ? :)
3621 [23:36:14] <teraflops> TomG2: you have been arguing all the day about systemd...
3622 [23:36:17] <jelly> TyrfingMjolnir: what stops "FileMaker 5.5 Server" from working with any later glibc?
3623 [23:36:32] <TyrfingMjolnir> I have no idea
3624 [23:36:36] <teraflops> oh wait he put me on the ignore list
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3627 [23:36:45] <TyrfingMjolnir> I know it does not work under debian 4 due to new glibc
3628 [23:36:45] <greycat> jelly: programs linked with glibc 2.0 do not run with glibc 2.1 or newer. There are missing symbols.
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3630 [23:37:06] <TyrfingMjolnir> That's it
3631 [23:37:12] <TyrfingMjolnir> Missing symbol
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3633 [23:37:15] <greycat> Of course you could have just said that yourself. :)
3634 [23:37:17] <jelly> greycat: oh, that must have been so long ago I don't even remember
3635 [23:37:36] <TyrfingMjolnir> Where can I pick up woody official iso>
3636 [23:37:37] <TyrfingMjolnir> ?
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3638 [23:37:40] <TyrfingMjolnir> in 2017?
3639 [23:37:44] <greycat> !snapshot
3640 [23:37:44] <dpkg> replaced-url
3641 [23:37:47] <jelly> well if they broke ABI I guess they must have had a reason!
3642 [23:37:50] <TyrfingMjolnir> Or do I have to sneak in to the house and find the CD?
3643 [23:37:54] <greycat> !archive
3644 [23:37:55] <dpkg> methinks archive is a collection of files. 'tar', 'ar', 'cpio' are all archiving tools. This is *not* the same as compression, which is a separate operation. Debian Archives is the repository for old Debian releases, see replaced-url
3645 [23:38:41] <jelly> TyrfingMjolnir: try slink (debian 2.1) or hamm (2.0)
3646 [23:38:49] <TyrfingMjolnir> I hate hamm
3647 [23:38:58] <TyrfingMjolnir> slink may do
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3651 [23:39:27] <TyrfingMjolnir> 3.0 is latest available
3652 [23:39:38] <jelly> you're doing archaeology, hate doesn't get into it
3653 [23:39:49] <TyrfingMjolnir> The package selector in 2.0 and before was just crazy
3654 [23:39:58] <jelly> dselect!
3655 [23:40:23] <TyrfingMjolnir> Fantastic! ... not.
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3658 [23:41:50] <jelly> or redhat 6.something,
3659 [23:41:59] <jelly> if you can find it
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3661 [23:42:26] <TyrfingMjolnir> I have RedHat 6.2
3662 [23:42:28] <TyrfingMjolnir> zoot
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3664 [23:42:43] <jelly> which glibc does that have
3665 [23:43:01] <TyrfingMjolnir> But then I will have to go searching for a CD-ROM
3666 [23:43:05] <TyrfingMjolnir> player, i e
3667 [23:43:16] <jelly> I _think_ it had glibc and not libc5...
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3672 [23:44:31] <jelly> hamm was when debian did the switch over so that seems the likely place to have the earliest libc6
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3675 [23:45:01] <TyrfingMjolnir> Shoot VBox finds no partitionable media.
3676 [23:45:53] <jelly> you'll have to pick the ide/scsi controller very carefully for such an old linux to detect disks
3677 [23:45:58] <TyrfingMjolnir> Or Woody finds no partitionable media in VBox
3678 [23:46:03] <jelly> buslogic scsi maybe
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3693 [23:49:34] <TyrfingMjolnir> buslogic did the trick.
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3706 [23:52:54] <TyrfingMjolnir> Get error message for the repo however
3707 [23:53:08] <TyrfingMjolnir> Tried replaced-url
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3709 [23:53:11] <TyrfingMjolnir> debian
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3715 [23:55:39] <TyrfingMjolnir> Same for ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/woody/
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