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25 [00:13:07] <GNU\colossus> I'd like to rebuild a Debian from sid package for my release (jessie) using pbuilder, but perform extra actions to the program being built that are not supported by its build system. what are my options to do that?
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31 [00:13:55] <missmbob> !pbuilder
32 [00:13:55] <dpkg> hmm... pbuilder is "personal package builder", a package which creates a chroot for building packages which are optionally targetted at releases other than the currently installed release. It is useful for checking that a package has the correct build-dependencies as well. apt-get install pbuilder && pager /usr/share/doc/pbuilder/README.Debian. Many pbuilder users end up wishing they had used <sbuild> all along
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46 [00:20:23] <hanasaki> petn-randall: I would like to use squid for httpS ... it is http now
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49 [00:25:56] <petn-randall> hanasaki: That works, despite not working as a cache.
50 [00:26:28] <hanasaki> how does it work please? the certs wouldnt be right....
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52 [00:26:56] <laurus> inch, I tried these instructions replaced-url
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55 [00:27:18] <laurus> In particular, when I run "e2fsck -f /dev/loop0p2" it says "e2fsck: No such file or directory while trying to open /dev/loop0p2"
56 [00:27:23] <mutante> ?php5-mysql
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58 [00:27:33] <laurus> However, when I do sudo fdisk -l it shows "/dev/loop0p2 92160 2534887 2442728 1.2G 83 Linux"
59 [00:27:33] <mutante> sorry, i wanted to ask the bot for the versions
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62 [00:28:49] <hanasaki> petn-randall: ?
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64 [00:29:11] <petn-randall> hanasaki: the client connects to squid with the HTTP verb "CONNECT", after that is just proxies bytes back and forth.
65 [00:29:25] <petn-randall> (as I already said)
66 [00:29:30] <hanasaki> petn-randall: how about for a transparent proxy?
67 [00:29:49] <petn-randall> hanasaki: What do you mean with that?
68 [00:29:50] <cockroach> i just upgraded a system to stretch and now it boots to emergency mode after saying "A start job is running for dev-sda2" for a while. After pressing ctrl-d it boots normally and mounts sda2 correctly. any idea what's wrong there?
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70 [00:29:59] <hanasaki> http_port 3128 transparent
71 [00:30:13] <petn-randall> hanasaki: Where is the transparent part?
72 [00:30:20] <mutante> i noticed that when doing a jessie->stretch upgrade an application is missing the php5-mysql package. is there an obvious replacement? it's not php5-mariad it appears
73 [00:30:27] <petn-randall> hanasaki: You still have to instruct every client to use the proxy.
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77 [00:30:58] <hanasaki> petn-randall: thought transpareant proxy is so that is not needed
78 [00:31:14] <petn-randall> hanasaki: Define "transparent proxy" in your case.
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80 [00:31:35] <hanasaki> petn-randall: don't config the client... goes through proxy anyways
81 [00:31:50] <petn-randall> hanasaki: And how should this work? Magic?
82 [00:32:03] <hanasaki> petn-randall: use your google foo :)
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85 [00:32:32] <petn-randall> hanasaki: I thought you want support? Then also be verbose on what you mean with it.
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87 [00:33:05] <hanasaki> http_port 3128 transparent <= as I said before + iptables 80 to 328
88 [00:33:08] <hanasaki> 3128
89 [00:33:23] <petn-randall> Ah, so DNAT. That's the missing info.
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92 [00:33:46] <petn-randall> hanasaki: That won't work with HTTPS. Also, it won't always work with plain HTTP.
93 [00:34:00] <petn-randall> HTTP/1.0 for example doesn't work with that.
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95 [00:34:19] <petn-randall> Which is why that's usually evil.
96 [00:34:20] <hanasaki> oh... what will work for http/1.0?
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98 [00:34:22] <hanasaki> and https
99 [00:34:30] <petn-randall> Nothing
100 [00:34:53] <petn-randall> redirecting traffic to proxies is evil, it breaks a lot of things.
101 [00:35:09] <petn-randall> without the client knowing, that is.
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105 [00:36:06] <hanasaki> petn-randall: looking for zero client config : cache proxy and httpS also so it can scan for virus and block some URLs by regx
106 [00:36:41] <petn-randall> hanasaki: Yeah, that won't work, and that's not what a proxy is designed for.
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108 [00:36:48] <hanasaki> petn-randall: plain NAT from the business is not a good idea
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110 [00:37:17] <hanasaki> petn-randall: what should I use
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114 [00:38:17] <laurus> Is chroot dangerous? Why do I have to be superuser to chroot?
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118 [00:40:11] <Logg> Is there a graphical wacom tablet configuration application? I tried gnome-control-center, but it crashes, probably because I'm not using gnome.
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128 [00:44:55] <hanasaki> petn-randall: and ALL ./ anychance debian will include squid compiled to support SSL: bump?
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135 [00:50:03] <missmbob> hanasaki: that's the point. plain nat
136 [00:50:22] <hanasaki> missmbob: I need to control what goes out of the company
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141 [00:52:31] <themill> MITMing everyone and doing packet inspection on that? Where could that go wrong.
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150 [00:59:55] <petn-randall> hanasaki: There are tons of appliances you can buy that just do that. But unless you get a wildcard certificate that won't work.
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284 [02:38:33] <cockroach> i just upgraded a system to stretch and now it boots to emergency mode after saying "A start job is running for dev-sda2" for a while. After pressing ctrl-d it boots normally and mounts sda2 correctly. any idea what's wrong there?
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288 [02:40:06] <Blackweb> how can I install this driver and use it install of the default nvidia driver
289 [02:40:20] <Blackweb> replaced-url
290 [02:41:00] <Blackweb> I have nouveau, and want to get that driver instead
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292 [02:42:03] <Blackweb> I just relized pasting is bad, so sorry.
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294 [02:43:11] <cockroach> Blackweb: I don't have an nvidia card myself so I don't really know but have you checked replaced-url
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382 [04:07:19] <slackjeff> hello, need help
383 [04:07:30] <mutante> !ask
384 [04:07:31] <slackjeff> how change color, shell ? tty...
385 [04:07:31] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
386 [04:07:34] <slackjeff> !ask
387 [04:07:44] <slackjeff> mutante: how change color shell,?
388 [04:08:03] <mutante> slackjeff: replaced-url
389 [04:08:46] <mutante> slackjeff: random example: echo -e "Default \e[93mLight yellow"
390 [04:11:07] <slackjeff> mutante: no prompt... on shell pure
391 [04:11:15] <slackjeff> have a method?
392 [04:11:39] <mutante> slackjeff: the random example i gave you was unrelated to prompt, just echo
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394 [04:12:12] <mutante> it will stay yellow until you change it back to something else
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397 [04:12:46] <mutante> you use the same variables, inside PS or not doesnt really matter
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401 [04:16:14] <slackjeff> mutante: ok,
402 [04:16:22] <slackjeff> mutante: u from brazilian?
403 [04:17:06] <mutante> slackjeff: no, it's a common question, but i'm not Brazilian or speak Portuguese
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423 [04:32:30] <nine_milli> why that dude setting a limit on users?
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425 [04:32:46] <bazhang> its a bot nine_milli
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429 [04:33:07] <nine_milli> you stalking me bazhang
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431 [04:33:21] <bazhang> nine_milli, what
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433 [04:33:31] <bazhang> nine_milli, stay on topic here
434 [04:33:34] <nine_milli> you followed me here from #linux
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436 [04:33:46] <bazhang> nine_milli, I am always here
437 [04:33:52] <bazhang> get a grip
438 [04:34:09] <humbot> BOOM
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449 [04:42:51] <nine_milli> i keep getting “task cron:xxx blocked for more than 120 seconds.”
450 [04:43:04] <nine_milli> does this mean my disk is going bad?
451 [04:43:42] <missmbob> no
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630 [07:20:20] <solarnetone> hmm. anyone else having issues with the arm64 apt repository?
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633 [07:21:38] <solarnetone> sid branch, specifically?
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650 [07:29:00] <ca> Is there any special knowledge needed to use the debian installer on a system with an nvidida card as the primary? Will it load nouveau before mode setting?
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652 [07:32:00] <missmbob> no. yes. see this if you need the proprietary ones instead replaced-url
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666 [07:46:35] <ca> missmbob: thanks, I looked at that earlier and it seemed to mostly pertain to a running system, rather than using the installer itself
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729 [08:19:27] <echosystm> hi guys
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732 [08:20:33] <echosystm> what would be the best way to route all traffic through a VPN, excluding one service?
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734 [08:21:05] <echosystm> actually, now that i have typed that out, i think the answer is obvious hah
735 [08:21:06] <echosystm> sorry
736 [08:21:09] <echosystm> :)
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743 [08:28:02] <OtakuSenpai> guys need help
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745 [08:28:58] <OtakuSenpai> when i install steam,i get this errors
746 [08:29:06] <OtakuSenpai> replaced-url
747 [08:29:21] <OtakuSenpai> everything is provided pls help me
748 [08:29:30] <OtakuSenpai> :D
749 [08:30:06] <OtakuSenpai> fscked up trying to get planeshift adnd runescape to launch for 1 week
750 [08:30:45] <towo^work> apt-cache policy steam is saying what?
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753 [08:31:43] <tanay> how to upgrade any particular software from terminal?
754 [08:32:00] <OtakuSenpai> !upgrade
755 [08:32:00] <dpkg> upgrade is, like, what keeps your box from getting r00ted, or what you do with aptitude. Do an aptitude update first, and then an aptitude upgrade. Ask me about <security>. If you upgrade to a new stable version of Debian, read its release notes first. Ask me about <squeeze->wheezy> <wheezy->jessie>.
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757 [08:32:22] <OtakuSenpai> theres also jessie->stretch
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761 [08:33:20] <OtakuSenpai> towo^work: replaced-url
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766 [08:34:45] <Azrael_-> when is the plan to release stretch?
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768 [08:34:57] <jelly> !wwsr
769 [08:34:58] <dpkg> Well... it's starting to get distinctly chilly... Debian 9 "Stretch" will probably release in mid-2017. It will release sooner if you help fix bugs in stretch and sid... take that as a challenge. Ask me about <stretch freeze>, <how-can-i-help> replaced-url
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771 [08:35:14] <Azrael_-> thx
772 [08:35:43] <missmbob> Azrael_-: when green line gets to 0 replaced-url
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775 [08:36:46] <solarnetone> !bongswat
776 [08:36:46] <dpkg> from memory, bongswat is "Hit the bong, man!"
777 [08:36:51] <towo^work> OtakuSenpai, apt-cache policy systemd systemd:i386, and btw, stretch suppport is in #debian-next on oftc network and btw², why you using unstable, if you can't handle it?
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790 [08:43:15] <OtakuSenpai> towo^work: replaced-url
791 [08:44:13] <OtakuSenpai> towo^work: i upgraded from jessie due to some software like gcc not being up to the version which i required
792 [08:44:17] <towo^work> do a dist-upgrade, then try installing steam again
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795 [08:44:41] <towo^work> OtakuSenpai, if you can't handle unstable, don't use it
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800 [08:45:26] <AlecTaylor> hi
801 [08:45:48] <AlecTaylor> I use `dpkg -s` to see if a package is installed, how do I see if a `build-dep` for pkg_name has been run?
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811 [08:48:20] <OtakuSenpai> also i couldnt use jessie on my new hardware
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813 [08:49:15] <towo^work> i would bet my ass, you can use jessie with backports on that hardware
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901 [09:45:38] <TomG2> AlecTaylor, I don't know what you mean by a "build-dep"? you mean the apt-get command? I would just run apt-get again
902 [09:46:09] <missmbob> man apt-get
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905 [09:49:05] <jelly> "just run apt-get again" was actually good advice
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986 [10:44:58] <Serg_Penguin> hi ! I'm on Jessie, can I install some selected packages from Sid, replaced-url
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989 [10:45:58] <thecha> Do you know motion? it says it can use either video4linux devices or network cameras, does this mean i can use this on my debian with a usb camera?
990 [10:46:00] <missmbob> ,checkbackport mysql-server-5.7
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992 [10:46:01] <judd> Backporting package mysql-server-5.7 in sid→jessie/amd64: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: liblz4-dev (>= 0.0~r131).
993 [10:46:04] <missmbob> no
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999 [10:47:36] <missmbob> you *could* but it'd be multiple ports and a pain. if you have to ask you probably wouldnt be comfortable
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1001 [10:48:33] <astephanh> i have a watch_in defined in several states (apache config files) how can i make sure, the service is restarted only one time?
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1004 [10:50:40] <TomG2> dpkg, tell Serg_Penguin about backports
1005 [10:50:42] <thecha> missmbob→ it be multiple ports and a pain? so i would have to manually assign ports?
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1007 [10:50:58] <missmbob> manually compile the sid packages
1008 [10:51:07] <thecha> oh ok
1009 [10:51:19] <thecha> what does sid stands for?
1010 [10:51:34] <thecha> socket internal device?
1011 [10:51:35] <coke> the name of the version
1012 [10:51:37] <missmbob> !sid
1013 [10:51:37] <dpkg> from memory, sid is the codename for <unstable>, named after the kid in Toy Story that breaks toys. The great thing about running sid is that when it breaks, you get to keep ALL the pieces!!
1014 [10:51:52] <Serg_Penguin> ,checkbackport liblz4-dev
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1017 [10:51:58] <judd> Backporting package liblz4-dev in sid→jessie/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using jessie.
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1020 [10:52:29] <CrazyTux> hello, is linux/debian safe from wannacry?
1021 [10:52:32] <Serg_Penguin> ,checkbackport liblz4-dev-0.0~r131
1022 [10:52:33] <judd> No package named 'liblz4-dev-0.0~r131' was found in sid/amd64.
1023 [10:52:46] <ikonia> CrazyTux: are you using debian now
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1026 [10:53:16] <Serg_Penguin> how to spell a version for checkbackport ?
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1028 [10:53:23] <CrazyTux> ikonia, yes. I am using Debian and Ubuntu on two different laptops.
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1031 [10:53:46] <ikonia> thats a big change CrazyTux what version of debian are you using
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1033 [10:53:48] <missmbob> it's a bug on windows defender
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1035 [10:54:17] <CrazyTux> latest version of debian.
1036 [10:54:22] <ikonia> CrazyTux: which one
1037 [10:54:37] <CrazyTux> 8.7.1
1038 [10:54:46] <ikonia> wow, a big change
1039 [10:54:53] <Serg_Penguin> ,checkbackport liblz4-dev (>= 0.0~r131)
1040 [10:54:53] <CrazyTux> why?
1041 [10:54:53] <judd> Backporting package liblz4-dev in sid→jessie/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using jessie.
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1043 [10:56:26] <CrazyTux> new version of debian is available now?
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1045 [10:56:44] <missmbob> read /topic
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1047 [10:57:15] <avalon_> i totally f***ed up my box with mixing repositories...
1048 [10:57:26] <missmbob> that sucks
1049 [10:57:27] <avalon_> not now
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1051 [10:57:31] <missmbob> !dont break debian
1052 [10:57:31] <dpkg> i heard dont break debian is replaced-url
1053 [10:57:37] <avalon_> just sharing experience
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1055 [10:57:50] <avalon_> break, yes, that was the word
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1073 [11:03:25] <CrazyTux> what is the name of the latest release of Debian?
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1075 [11:03:34] <ikonia> CrazyTux: you said you where running the latest
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1078 [11:04:02] <ikonia> 08:52 < ikonia> CrazyTux: are you using debian now
1079 [11:04:03] <ikonia> 08:54 < CrazyTux> latest version of debian.
1080 [11:04:05] <missmbob> 8 every is jessie. regardless of if it's 8.1 or 8.8
1081 [11:04:09] <CrazyTux> I didn't know. I have 8.7.1 installed on my other laptop.
1082 [11:04:15] <ikonia> 08:54 < CrazyTux> 8.7.1
1083 [11:04:46] <ikonia> CrazyTux: you said "latest"
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1085 [11:05:22] <Iridos> dpkg, tell avalon_ about debian clone
1086 [11:05:32] <CrazyTux> ikonia, ok. I "lied". LOL.
1087 [11:05:37] <avalon_> clone ?
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1089 [11:05:46] <Iridos> avalon_, look at that factoid from dpkg… it's probably simplest to save home and the package list, then re-install
1090 [11:05:46] <ikonia> ?
1091 [11:06:19] <avalon_> backup home?
1092 [11:06:26] <Iridos> because fixing systems with packages from a wild mix of repositories
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1094 [11:06:33] <Iridos> … isn't trivial
1095 [11:06:35] <CrazyTux> actually, I haven't updated my debian installation to 8.8 yet.
1096 [11:06:48] <CrazyTux> or upgraded.
1097 [11:06:53] <avalon_> i just read that sometimes system can be so broken that only reinstallation is solution
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1099 [11:07:03] <Iridos> avalon_, you said <avalon_> i totally f***ed up my box with mixing repositories...
1100 [11:07:10] <avalon_> once, yes
1101 [11:07:13] <Iridos> avalon_, it's not the *only* solution
1102 [11:07:17] <avalon_> in various debian derivates
1103 [11:07:24] <Iridos> oh… I thought that happened just now
1104 [11:07:32] <avalon_> i know that it is not... but sometimes time is precious
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1106 [11:08:10] <avalon_> backup and reinstallation saves time wasted in searching ... web searching engine
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1109 [11:08:45] <avalon_> if you know exactly what files to backup, it is easy to put it in a script...
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1111 [11:09:51] <CrazyTux> btw, could Debian stable be categorized as a rolling release distro or a stable one?
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1113 [11:10:04] <missmbob> stable
1114 [11:10:28] <CrazyTux> sorry. fixed release.
1115 [11:10:35] <CrazyTux> I meant fixed release.
1116 [11:10:39] <missmbob> yes
1117 [11:11:00] <CrazyTux> missmbob, is it a rolling release or a fixed release?
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1119 [11:11:05] <missmbob> fixed
1120 [11:11:12] <CrazyTux> ok
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1122 [11:11:15] <missmbob> that's why everything is so old
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1124 [11:11:46] <ikonia> it's far from old
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1126 [11:11:55] <CrazyTux> missmbob, is debian vulnerable to wannacry?
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1128 [11:12:05] <missmbob> no
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1131 [11:12:42] <CrazyTux> any precautions I need to take while using a linux distro to prevent being infected?
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1133 [11:13:08] <ikonia> CrazyTux: did you look into what wannacry does/infects ?
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1135 [11:13:22] <CrazyTux> no.
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1137 [11:13:35] <ikonia> CrazyTux: maybe do that before asking
1138 [11:13:41] <missmbob> 03:53 < missmbob> it's a bug on windows defender
1139 [11:13:44] <CrazyTux> I mean, not in detail.
1140 [11:13:46] <ikonia> eg: basic research
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1142 [11:13:54] <ikonia> CrazyTux: did you look at all
1143 [11:13:56] <missmbob> or just read what i said 20 minutes ago
1144 [11:14:18] <CrazyTux> I have read some news articles on that.
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1146 [11:14:26] <ikonia> CrazyTux: what product does it infect
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1148 [11:14:47] <missmbob> how many times do i need to say it? jesus
1149 [11:14:48] <CrazyTux> Windows. I think, specifically Windows XP>
1150 [11:14:54] <missmbob> holy fuck
1151 [11:14:57] <ikonia> CrazyTux: is debian windows.....
1152 [11:15:14] <CrazyTux> ok. Guys, I understood.
1153 [11:15:20] <CrazyTux> thanks a lot.
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1163 [11:16:33] <CrazyTux> but, I was curious to know, if wine is installed on a linux distro, can wannacry infect the system. If it does, what can we do?
1164 [11:16:48] <ikonia> CrazyTux: what product/part of windows does it infect....
1165 [11:16:49] <missmbob> it cannot
1166 [11:16:59] <missmbob> please answer correctly this time
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1168 [11:17:20] <CrazyTux> I know that if I am using only Linux, there is no possibility of it infecting the OS.
1169 [11:17:46] <missmbob> wow. reading what i say is *that* difficult?
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1171 [11:17:53] <CrazyTux> ikonia, frankly, I don't know.
1172 [11:18:05] <ikonia> CrazyTux: ok, so thats the sort of research you should be doing
1173 [11:18:20] <missmbob> 03:53 < missmbob> it's a bug on windows defender
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1175 [11:18:39] <CrazyTux> missmbob, ok.
1176 [11:18:50] <missmbob> thank fucking god. took enough times
1177 [11:19:35] <CrazyTux> missmbob, I didn't notice the first time you said that.
1178 [11:19:44] <missmbob> it wasnt once
1179 [11:20:00] <CrazyTux> ok. Thanks a lot, anyway.
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1223 [11:41:11] <contrapunctus> o/
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1232 [11:43:22] <contrapunctus> How can I set the date/time format for all applications as ISO 8601? (as in `date -Is`)
1233 [11:43:50] <contrapunctus> (short of using a different locale for LC_TIME - that seems like a hack...)
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1253 [11:54:28] <TomG2> maybe using LC_TIME isn't that much of a hack actually
1254 [11:54:38] <TomG2> just my suggestion
1255 [11:54:41] <fredl> hi folks, does anybody happen to know if there are 'Linux for Beginners' books in Vietnamese?
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1258 [11:57:12] <missmbob> i'd ask #archlinuxvn to be honest
1259 [11:57:14] <colo-work> contrapunctus, in fact, that's the unhackiest way there could be.
1260 [11:57:25] <bazhang> fredl, check a local users group there, or perhaps your distro has a -vn channel
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1263 [11:57:50] <fredl> I'll check on #archlinuxvn, thanks folks!
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1265 [11:57:55] <TyrfingMjolnir> I am to install a new web server, which one do I go for? Apache?
1266 [11:58:29] <missmbob> since you're learning regardless i'd go nginx
1267 [11:58:51] <colo-work> depends on what your webserver is going to do
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1269 [11:59:55] <TyrfingMjolnir> Just host angular stuff
1270 [12:00:03] <TyrfingMjolnir> I use nginx for reverse proxy
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1272 [12:00:40] <altyr> using nginx for both seems like a good idea then
1273 [12:00:43] <TyrfingMjolnir> I already have nodejs w/express set up using nginx as reverse proxy
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1275 [12:01:05] <TyrfingMjolnir> But caddy or apache is more a web server?
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1277 [12:01:48] <missmbob> years ago, yes. not today
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1280 [12:02:51] <TyrfingMjolnir> So? Do I keep nginx as reverse proxy and add another nginx?
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1286 [12:03:54] <altyr> no. you change the config to make it do both things at once
1287 [12:03:58] <missmbob> i wouldnt add another product to the mix unless you had good reason. so keep it simple, stupid.
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1290 [12:04:35] <altyr> i believe some example configs should come pre-installed with the package
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1294 [12:05:50] <missmbob> check out replaced-url
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1298 [12:06:54] <Punga3> Hello, is this place for questions?
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1301 [12:07:08] <missmbob> !ask
1302 [12:07:08] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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1304 [12:07:40] <missmbob> dont ask me, though ;) time for bed. good luck
1305 [12:07:51] <Punga3> Good night!
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1310 [12:08:56] <Punga3> Ok, so I just wanted to ask, I have Debian 8 on by server but I never updated it. Is there possibility it would break if I updated it? I just have a few game servers on one and apache on the other.
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1319 [12:11:17] <TomG2> Punga3, at this point I would recommend that you hang around until someone gives you an answer, maybe asking in an hour or more
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1323 [12:11:36] <TomG2> you're always supposed to update Debian anyway. you mean just security updates right?
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1327 [12:12:40] <Punga3> I mean just apt-get update && apt-get upgrade
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1334 [12:14:40] <TomG2> yes, that should be fine, especially on Debian, which goes through a lot to make stable very stable indeed
1335 [12:14:43] <TomG2> go ahead :)
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1338 [12:15:01] <TomG2> you should do it to close security holes too
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1340 [12:15:23] <Punga3> I thought so! Thanks!
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1345 [12:18:10] <BluesKaj> 'Morning all
1346 [12:18:57] <humbot> (:
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1351 [12:21:23] <TomG2> Punga3, yw
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1391 [12:45:15] <contrapunctus> Okay. I attempted to change LC_TIME to en_DK.UTF-8. But now running date(1) gives me "Day Mon DD HH:MM:SS <TZ> YYYY", instead of ISO-8601 as I expected (according to this answer - replaced-url
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1394 [12:46:19] <TomG2> you may have to log out and log in again, can you try it in a shell? LC_TIME=en_DK date
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1398 [12:48:05] <contrapunctus> TomG2: it did change, but it's not what I expected it to be.
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1406 [12:51:53] <laughing> hi
1407 [12:52:01] <laughing> anyone here?
1408 [12:52:13] <teraflops> ಠ_ಠ
1409 [12:52:23] <laughing> I need some help
1410 [12:52:32] <laughing> I am new to linux platform
1411 [12:52:47] <teraflops> just ask your quastion, and provide as much information as you can
1412 [12:52:51] <teraflops> question^
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1415 [12:53:29] <TomG2> contrapunctus, i don't know. i'd keep searching
1416 [12:53:51] <laughing> I am running kali linux and i want to join their channel named #kali-linux but I can't
1417 [12:54:42] <laughing> I don't know how to join.
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1422 [12:55:25] <TomG2> dpkg, kali?
1423 [12:55:25] <dpkg> Kali Linux (replaced-url
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1425 [12:55:57] <TomG2> free programming languages at replaced-url
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1427 [12:56:11] <TomG2> missed
1428 [12:56:33] <laughing> hi
1429 [12:56:39] <TomG2> dpkg, kali
1430 [12:56:39] <dpkg> Kali Linux (replaced-url
1431 [12:57:11] <TomG2> that hacker-howto reads pretty good to me at the moment
1432 [12:57:47] <laughing> okay I am just askling about help on how to join #kali-linux
1433 [12:57:51] <laughing> I am usinghex chat
1434 [12:58:17] <TomG2> maybe you should ask in an official freenode help channel, or general irc help channel
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1437 [12:58:40] <BluesKaj> too many users wanna be like Mr Robot , Kali with i3 :-)
1438 [12:58:58] <TomG2> programming for the win!
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1441 [12:59:24] <TomG2> i enjoyed Debian 9 with i3 a few weeks ago, but i'm not allowed to chat on this channel :P
1442 [12:59:33] <laughing> kali with i3? what do you mean
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1444 [12:59:49] <TomG2> still not decided between i3 and dwm
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1448 [13:00:29] <BluesKaj> laughing, just what i said
1449 [13:01:16] <laughing> hey guys what is nickserv password?
1450 [13:01:35] <laughing> Blues I meant I couldn't understand you
1451 [13:01:53] <BluesKaj> laughing, your password for the freenode server
1452 [13:01:59] <missmbob> !i3
1453 [13:01:59] <dpkg> well, i3 is a tiling window manager inspired by <wmii>. replaced-url
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1455 [13:02:07] <laughing> oh I don't have one. How to get it?
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1458 [13:02:30] <missmbob> like everything else you've asked, ask #freenode
1459 [13:02:50] <laughing> aqhhh
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1461 [13:03:01] <laughing> its much of a headache when you're new to linux
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1464 [13:03:26] <TomG2> why are you using Kali then?
1465 [13:03:46] <BluesKaj> laughing, if you were on windows it would b the same
1466 [13:03:54] <missmbob> can we *not* talk about kali, please?
1467 [13:04:02] <laughing> I am on someone's computer so I just booted from USB and only OS I had to be live was kali
1468 [13:04:16] <laughing> nope I'm good at windows
1469 [13:04:38] * missmbob blinks
1470 [13:04:42] <laughing> I am good at all but like being new and when you haven't read much about linux then this is difficult somehow
1471 [13:05:01] <TomG2> missmbob, sorry
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1473 [13:05:08] <laughing> missmbob sorry we're talkinhg about linux basically
1474 [13:05:13] <BluesKaj> registering on an irc server is not restricted to linux, laughing
1475 [13:05:31] <missmbob> laughing: no. kali is offtopic here. it's channel policy.
1476 [13:05:34] <laughing> lol yea and I never used an IRC before
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1480 [13:06:08] <laughing> missmbob yea and we're talking about a linux based on debian
1481 [13:06:17] <missmbob> !based on debian
1482 [13:06:17] <dpkg> Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare replaced-url
1483 [13:06:20] <missmbob> read that ^
1484 [13:06:46] <missmbob> you're causing us headaches
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1486 [13:07:26] <laughing> okay sorry missmbob
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1501 [13:13:09] <nikio_> hello does debian serve a virtualbox image somewhere?
1502 [13:13:18] <nikio_> i need a safe small linux image or virtualbox
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1504 [13:13:48] <babilen> nikio_: replaced-url
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1506 [13:14:16] <babilen> replaced-url
1507 [13:14:24] <nikio_> babilen, what is that place
1508 [13:14:26] <nikio_> i dont know atlas
1509 [13:14:29] <nikio_> or hashicorp
1510 [13:14:56] <babilen> Ah! Sorry, that's for Vagrant :)
1511 [13:15:34] <koollman> nikio_: hashicorp makes vagrant, and vagrant helps automate virtualbox (and other tools)
1512 [13:15:39] <teraflops> babilen: well, maybe vagrant is what he wants :D
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1514 [13:15:45] <teraflops> he or she
1515 [13:15:58] <nikio_> no i just wanna have an image for virtualbox
1516 [13:16:07] <babilen> Yeah, I immediately parsed it that way
1517 [13:16:08] <teraflops> you can also tell vagrant to use vbox with KVM
1518 [13:16:10] <missmbob> it's put together by a debian developer anyway
1519 [13:16:17] <koollman> nikio_: it's probably the best way to get a decent image for virtualbox
1520 [13:16:17] <babilen> But then .. I wouldn't use virtualbox on Linux. Way too slow.
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1522 [13:16:52] <nikio_> i just want an image for virtualbox, no more no less, no time wasting.
1523 [13:16:56] <babilen> teraflops: Yeah, I use vagrant-libvirt whereever I can. So much faster and nicer :)
1524 [13:16:58] <koollman> nikio_: then make one
1525 [13:17:01] <teraflops> babilen: hmm I prefer ansible > vagrant
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1527 [13:17:08] <nikio_> and i see no reason for them to be a 1GB
1528 [13:17:11] <nikio_> ill install whati need myself
1529 [13:17:21] <koollman> nikio_: even better, then, make a better one :)
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1531 [13:17:27] <bazhang> #vbox nikio_
1532 [13:17:27] <babilen> teraflops: Those are completely different tools - And SaltStack > Ansible anyway ;)
1533 [13:17:38] <nikio_> meh fine il just download this one
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1535 [13:17:39] <nikio_> replaced-url
1536 [13:17:45] <nikio_> and run the risk of being hacked..
1537 [13:17:55] <nikio_> i guess its very hard for debian to just host one on their site
1538 [13:18:07] <teraflops> babilen: ansible + e.g galaxy is for same purposes
1539 [13:18:13] <missmbob> you should've just googled. first result replaced-url
1540 [13:18:18] <nikio_> its 1gB
1541 [13:18:21] <nikio_> i want 5GB
1542 [13:18:24] <nikio_> 500 MB
1543 [13:18:33] <teraflops> make you own one
1544 [13:18:35] <koollman> nikio_: it's not very hard to put the livecd in virtualbox and make a minimal install
1545 [13:18:37] <nikio_> besides who says osboxes is to be trusted
1546 [13:18:39] <babilen> teraflops: Same purpose of?
1547 [13:18:41] <missmbob> you want you want you want. do it
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1549 [13:18:57] <teraflops> deploying a virtual machine/container
1550 [13:19:06] <babilen> nikio_: Why don't you take a look at vagrant and use the official base boxes?
1551 [13:19:06] <koollman> I wonder how big is my minimal virtualbox install nowadays
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1553 [13:19:34] <babilen> You might also be able to use those base boxes directly in VBox
1554 [13:19:37] <nikio_> i dont wna waste time, i just wnt a simple linux so i cn nat port forward and use rasa NLU which doesnt work on Windows
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1556 [13:19:44] <nikio_> lblabla , nothing works properly
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1558 [13:19:48] <missmbob> you're wasting time here
1559 [13:19:49] <koollman> nikio_: you do look like you want to waste some time
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1561 [13:20:38] <laughing> nikio_ what do you want? can I help if I can?
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1565 [13:20:52] <nikio_> well i wanted to use rasa nLU
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1568 [13:21:01] <nikio_> for my python webapp, but one thing led to another
1569 [13:21:17] <nikio_> so now im getting a debian to run on virtual box so i can port forward it and interact with it over http
1570 [13:21:30] <nikio_> tried on vmware first but that didnt work, coz vmware sucks too i guess
1571 [13:21:32] <koollman> and yet, you do not want to waste time :)
1572 [13:21:48] <nikio_> yep i dont but guess what
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1576 [13:22:00] <nikio_> rasa nlu doesnt install on Windows 7, it gives an error
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1578 [13:22:03] <teraflops> nikio_: are you ranting? we can give you moral support and maybe a hug…
1579 [13:22:05] <kingkong-> hi. im on wheezey openvz vps. i installed ntp but it fails to start. howcan i make it start?
1580 [13:22:18] <nikio_> all of these things give headaches,, its as if nobody can just make their tools work how they are supposed to
1581 [13:22:33] <koollman> maybe they do not test much on windows
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1583 [13:22:44] <nikio_> not smart
1584 [13:22:48] <laughing> oracle virtual box is better. and why don't you look on official sites for virtual box images
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1586 [13:22:59] <nikio_> im dling from osboxes.co
1587 [13:23:14] <bazhang> he wants unsafe fast
1588 [13:23:16] <nikio_> they host their boxes on google drive so it goes fast
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1591 [13:23:24] <nikio_> lets hope we can trust their boxes
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1595 [13:24:48] <teraflops> kingkong-: you cant
1596 [13:24:50] <koollman> nikio_: anyway, it took me 3 minutes to build the docker container and make a curl requesst that shows it seems to work. all by reading the readme
1597 [13:25:08] <teraflops> kingkong-: …because openVZ
1598 [13:25:09] <nikio_> build what?
1599 [13:25:15] <koollman> nikio_: replaced-url
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1601 [13:25:38] <nikio_> well it works on linux for sure
1602 [13:25:43] <kingkong-> teraflops: what's the solution ?
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1604 [13:25:54] <nikio_> my OS is windows 7
1605 [13:25:56] <teraflops> kingkong-: dpkg-reconfigure tzdata
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1607 [13:26:13] <teraflops> kingkong-: or go tell the host admin
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1611 [13:26:45] <teraflops> kingkong-: or use an external ntp server
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1613 [13:26:50] <teraflops> ^
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1618 [13:27:44] <kingkong-> teraflops: i have tzdata already. it needs manually adjustment to sync?
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1620 [13:28:11] <teraflops> kingkong-: what's your problem?
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1622 [13:28:21] <teraflops> the real one, is your time not accurate?
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1625 [13:30:37] <kingkong-> teraflops: my time is accurate but one app gave me bug error that time is +4 seconds. i asked their staff and they asked me to install ntp. i installed but it fails to start
1626 [13:31:06] <andrew2221> Hi everyone. A quick question, in Debain9 I have some network drives mounted. In the filemanager (nautilus?!) it shows the trash from those network drives as well. How to exclude this? I don't want to see the trash of the network drives.
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1628 [13:31:20] <kingkong-> i run dpkg-reconfigure tzdata and my time is same as before now
1629 [13:31:31] <missmbob> kingkong-: is this jessie?
1630 [13:31:38] <kingkong-> wheezy
1631 [13:31:45] <missmbob> damn. nevermind.
1632 [13:31:46] <teraflops> kingkong-: go tell the admins of the openvz host, or use an external ntp server more accurated
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1634 [13:32:02] <teraflops> accurate?accurated? sorry
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1637 [13:33:34] <ksk> kingkong-: didnt read the question, but if inside an openvz CT you cannot set/correct the time yourself. would need to contact admin.
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1639 [13:35:15] <teraflops> ksk: I told him 2 times about that
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1643 [13:36:22] <kingkong-> ok thanks you
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1645 [13:37:05] <kingkong-> i will run external ntp server outside of my vps ?
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1648 [13:38:22] <petn-randall> kingkong-: The openvz server will always set the time for the clients, if the *server* has an offset, there's not much you can do.
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1652 [13:39:41] <kingkong-> hmm alright. so i will uninstall ntp and ntpdate back. i must contact my provider
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1654 [13:39:49] <kingkong-> thanks you
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1659 [13:47:27] <jelly> petn-randall: "contact your provider and tell them to fix the damn time"
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1664 [13:50:36] <nikio_> still didnt get it to work for other dumb reasons
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1676 [13:57:45] <laughing> whats the windows error man?
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1686 [14:01:32] <missmbob> according to ud he means because of a woman's period
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1689 [14:02:09] <petn-randall> missmbob: ???
1690 [14:02:18] <missmbob> replaced-url
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1741 [14:27:19] <dolftax> Help! replaced-url
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1743 [14:28:30] <dolftax> xrandr doesn't detect external monitor. Followed the steps here - replaced-url
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1749 [14:30:55] <altyr> dolftax: what version type/version of debian are you on? and what does lspci -nn | grep '\[03' say?
1750 [14:31:39] <dolftax> altyr: replaced-url
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1757 [14:33:28] <dolftax> altyr: Is it necessary to upgrade the kernel to `linux-image-4.9.0-0.bpo.2-amd64` ? That's one resolution I found on forums.
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1759 [14:34:00] <missmbob> it's likely
1760 [14:34:06] <missmbob> !jessie-backports
1761 [14:34:07] <dpkg> Some packages intended for Stretch (Debian 9) but recompiled for use with "Jessie" (8.x) can be found in the "jessie-backports" repository. See replaced-url
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1763 [14:34:28] <altyr> dolftax: i talked to someone who had the same kind of hybrid graphics as you do. they fixed it by upgrading to stretch
1764 [14:34:55] <altyr> it's possible that you can simply install the packported kernel and mesa
1765 [14:35:04] <altyr> *backported
1766 [14:35:05] <dolftax> altyr: By upgrading to stretch, you mean, upgrade via backports?
1767 [14:35:06] <altyr> and make it work that way
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1772 [14:35:46] <altyr> no, they decided to do a full upgrade. but as mentioned it's possible that all you really need is kernel/mesa
1773 [14:35:47] <missmbob> i'd use the backported 4.9/backported mesa first
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1775 [14:36:13] <dolftax> Hm. Let me try that.
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1778 [14:36:39] <altyr> dpkg: tell dolftax about bdo kernel
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1780 [14:36:51] <altyr> for more detailed instructions see what the bot sent you
1781 [14:37:08] <quitisomes> hello good afternoon somebody could help me about an uftp proxy configuration??? please
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1783 [14:37:18] <quitisomes> My boss is going to kill me I really need it
1784 [14:37:21] <prabhin> hi
1785 [14:37:24] <altyr> (after doing what missmbob told you about the sources list)
1786 [14:37:53] <dolftax> On `sudo apt-get install -t jessie-backports linux-image-amd64
1787 [14:37:55] <prabhin> hi guys need a help
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1790 [14:38:10] <dolftax> I get this - replaced-url
1791 [14:38:17] <quitisomes> Hello somebody could help me please
1792 [14:38:18] <prabhin> anybody there??
1793 [14:38:26] <prabhin> whats the issue??
1794 [14:38:35] <prabhin> @quitisomes
1795 [14:38:50] <quitisomes> im trying to configure uftp service over a local network
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1797 [14:39:07] <quitisomes> the enviroment is uftp server server proxy proxy client and uftp client
1798 [14:39:15] <altyr> dolftax: that's unrelated to display things, but that should be fixed by installing firmware-realtek from backports too
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1800 [14:39:39] <quitisomes> the problem is that the the uftp client receives automatically from the uft server and doesnt come along the proxy client
1801 [14:39:48] <quitisomes> thats my problem
1802 [14:40:10] <quitisomes> any idea about this???
1803 [14:40:16] <missmbob> be quite
1804 [14:40:18] <altyr> prabhin: ask your question
1805 [14:40:19] <missmbob> !repeat
1806 [14:40:19] <dpkg> Please don't immediately repeat your question if no one answers it. If no one answers, that means that either no one knows the answer to your question, no one is willing to answer it, or you haven't provided enough information. Ask me about <ask> or <sicco> if you need help phrasing your question. If you don't get an answer here, go ahead and try asking your question on debian-user@lists.debian.org
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1809 [14:40:49] <prabhin> which distro u are using??
1810 [14:40:54] <quitisomes> debian
1811 [14:40:56] <quitisomes> jessie
1812 [14:41:14] <prabhin> did u check proxy logs
1813 [14:41:19] <quitisomes> id check it
1814 [14:41:27] <prabhin> which proxy server??
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1816 [14:41:44] <quitisomes> id check proxy server log and proxy client log
1817 [14:41:58] <quitisomes> in the client log it tolds it receive hearbeat from the proxy server
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1819 [14:42:12] <quitisomes> but in the uftp client it says it onlys receiving from the uftp server
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1822 [14:43:11] <prabhin> can u please update me on the logs and version?
1823 [14:43:17] <prabhin> server
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1825 [14:43:41] <quitisomes> ofc
1826 [14:43:55] <quitisomes> version is 4.92
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1831 [14:45:49] <quitisomes> pls wait
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1840 [14:49:42] <quitisomes> @prabhin hello
1841 [14:49:55] <quitisomes> @prabhin could you tell me what log u want i send you
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1848 [14:51:59] <tw> Is there a way to make apt do a pre-execution check to make sure it's on a network I want to allow updates from or otherwise execute some pre-completion action? I have an apt-cacher proxy configured on my laptop and I'd like it to check that it's on the right network before trying to run.
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1850 [14:52:39] <missmbob> it would be very trivial to script a wrapper
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1853 [14:53:14] <tw> Will that affect autoupdates as well?
1854 [14:53:32] <missmbob> you're the one scriptting it :)
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1857 [14:55:10] <tw> Any recommendations on where to attach that kind of script? Just swap out the /usr/bin/apt binary for my script and chattr +i?
1858 [14:55:44] <missmbob> i wouldnt. i'd put it in ~/bin/
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1861 [14:56:07] <jmcnaught> tw: never do something like that
1862 [14:57:01] <jmcnaught> tw: the only places inside /usr that a person should touch are inside /usr/local, everything else inside /usr should only ever be managed by packages. Replacing /usr/bin/apt is asking for trouble
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1865 [14:57:25] <jmcnaught> for one thing, it will never get updated again if you replace it with an immutable script
1866 [14:57:25] <missmbob> plus it wouldnt work. any package update would overwrite whatever you did
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1873 [15:00:56] <tw> It'd break in awful ways, I'm sure. Is there anything for apt like dpkg::pre-invoke?
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1878 [15:02:09] <teraflops> tw: apt hooks?
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1881 [15:04:06] <jmcnaught> tw: take a look at /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/configure-index.gz for a complete list of configuration options, pre-invoke is in there as an example
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1883 [15:05:01] <tw> Perfect, I'll look into that. Thanks, everyone.
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1907 [15:13:54] <rebrec> hello i am trying to setup urxvt (i am currently using gnomt-terminal). I tried to setup some color scheme into ~/.Xressources i don't know why but my prompt don't get colorized, on the screenshot you can see gnome-terminal on the left and urxvt on the right replaced-url
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1909 [15:15:06] <dolftax> altyr: missmbob upgrading the kernel fixed all the driver issues (display, network, ..). Thanks!
1910 [15:15:17] <altyr> dolftax: glad to hear that
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1937 [15:31:03] <tw> Seems like Pre-invoke is only used for dpkg and update. Get and Upgrade don't provide the pre-invoke hook so I can't catch network operations. This is the config I tried: replaced-url
1938 [15:31:13] <tw> I'll figure something else out.
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1962 [15:43:54] <ForceRecon> is there a graphical syslog viewer in debian
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1968 [15:45:07] <coke> gedit /var/log/messages ?
1969 [15:45:27] <celyr> was going to say that but
1970 [15:45:37] <humbot> less ?
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1972 [15:46:00] <celyr> by graphical I guess no terminal involved
1973 [15:46:16] <celyr> even if I ask myself what's the difference
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1976 [15:46:30] <tw> gnome-logs maybe?
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1978 [15:46:49] <celyr> !goal
1979 [15:46:49] <dpkg> Describe your goal, not what you think the solution is.
1980 [15:47:10] <celyr> tnx dpkg always appreciated
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1982 [15:47:27] <coke> someone build a greylog.org package quick!
1983 [15:47:58] <missmbob> mousepad is better
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1988 [15:49:07] <ForceRecon> sudo apt-get install glogg
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1990 [15:49:12] <ForceRecon> nice reading of messages
1991 [15:49:23] <ForceRecon> thanks for help everyone.. this one works nicely
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2007 [15:56:01] <rebrec> i am still trying to setup urxvt. I can't manage to handle bold characters... in the screenshot here : replaced-url
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2009 [15:58:17] <nix64bit> i want to save the output from this bash "python 8.py > file.txt | atom" and open it with atom editor
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2012 [15:58:44] <nix64bit> or any editor for that matter
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2019 [16:00:36] <jolt> nix64bit: xdg-open can do stuff like that for you
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2022 [16:02:16] <jhutchins_wk> nix64bit: As always when developing automation, try each step first.
2023 [16:02:52] <jhutchins_wk> nix64bit: You are performing two operations there, but have only one command. There is no output on stdout from the first command.
2024 [16:03:14] <jolt> nix64bit: Or if you actually need to open the file later, but anyway. like python > file && xdg-open file
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2030 [16:06:37] <nix64bit> thanks
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2032 [16:07:28] <TomG2> Debian "see" open things for you too
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2045 [16:12:25] <slackjeff> hello
2046 [16:12:27] <slackjeff> algum BR?
2047 [16:12:49] <missmbob> !br
2048 [16:12:49] <dpkg> Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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2058 [16:16:12] <nix64bit> works like a charm thanks python 8.py > file.txt && xdg-open file.txt
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2109 [16:36:00] <smhar> greetings
2110 [16:36:10] <smhar> I have a laptop with debian jessie installed. recently I also installed stretch on another partition, both now share the same swap partition. But now, when I boot into jessie, the system hangs for very long time. I tried rescue mode and fund that it hangs on this line:
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2112 [16:36:24] <smhar> Begin: Running /scripts/local-premount ...
2113 [16:36:35] <smhar> when I enter root password I am able to proceed to X normally
2114 [16:36:47] <smhar> what could be the issue?
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2141 [16:50:12] <jhutchins_wk> smhar: Start with the messages displayed during boot. What is displayed before the hang? After?
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2152 [16:54:12] <_JamesA> I'm running into bug #839552 trying to install a new uefi system. I see a recommendation in bug #840400 to load nls_ascii.ko but it's not present in the latest install iso. How can I work around this to install?
2153 [16:54:13] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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2160 [17:00:21] <TwistedFate> i dont get it, i really dont, how can unstable have the same mesa version as testing? >_<
2161 [17:00:29] <greycat> !slushy
2162 [17:00:29] <dpkg> When a <testing> release becomes frozen, <unstable> tends to partially freeze as well. This is because developers are reluctant to upload radically new software to unstable, in case the frozen software in testing needs minor updates and to fix release critical bugs which keep testing from becoming <stable>.
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2166 [17:01:43] <smhar> jhutchins_wk, I am trying to search the logs but I could find nothing meaningful .. to me
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2178 [17:03:36] <somiaj> TwistedFate: testing and unstable are usually not that far apart even when outside of a freeze as well.
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2181 [17:04:58] <TwistedFate> somiaj: well, i am forced to either switch to experimental, or change the distro.. i dont know what made me install debian on newer hardware :)
2182 [17:05:01] <TwistedFate> :(*
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2190 [17:06:37] <greycat> You don't "switch to" experimental. You grab a single package from experimental and install it.
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2193 [17:07:07] <somiaj> TwistedFate: experimential is not a full release, so you can't run only experiemential. It's use is to make packages avaiable that are not ready for sid for advanced users. During the freeze this gets abused a bit as developers put newer packages there to avoid putting them in sid as per the slushy factoid.
2194 [17:07:19] <Galaxor> Hi. I'm using debian 8 (jessie). I'm trying to install flashplugin-nonfree. It's getting an error 404. What's going on with that? Has that package been abandoned but not removed from the repo or something?
2195 [17:07:23] <somiaj> TwistedFate: experimental packages are compiled against sid libaries.
2196 [17:07:37] <somiaj> Galaxor: the plugin scripts are broken, check the bug reports.
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2198 [17:08:13] <somiaj> Galaxor: due to adobe being very unreliable the scipts all require a matainer updated file to work. The matainer for the scripts has not been available to update this, thus breaking the scripts.
2199 [17:09:12] <Galaxor> Aha, thanks.
2200 [17:09:25] <humbot> but html5 :D
2201 [17:09:41] <Galaxor> Is there a workaround?
2202 [17:10:01] <Galaxor> Yeah, it took a long time before I noticed I didn't have flash, so that's a good sign for html5 adoption!
2203 [17:10:04] <somiaj> Galaxor: install the package, then manually download the plugin from adobe.com and copy it into the place the script would have put it.
2204 [17:10:14] <Galaxor> somiaj: Roger, thanks.
2205 [17:10:26] <somiaj> Galaxor: for firefox this is /usr/lib/flashplugin-nonfree/ or something like that.
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2207 [17:11:00] <somiaj> you want the package to be installed because it configures things to link to the plugin, the script just fails to download the non-free plugin, so manually intervene, (This also means you have to do this for updates/security issues)
2208 [17:11:25] <Galaxor> Do I need to re-run anything when I download the plugin? Like, does it apply patches or anything?
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2213 [17:15:00] <somiaj> no
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2215 [17:15:10] <Galaxor> somiaj: great, thanks.
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2217 [17:15:36] <somiaj> at least last I checked no, installing the debian package should set up everything, the only thing that fails is it cannot get the meta data from the matainers website to download the plugin and copy it to the predefined place.
2218 [17:15:41] <BluesKaj> Galaxor, or install chrome :-)
2219 [17:16:15] <Galaxor> BluesKaj: Chrome, no. Chromium, and the pepper flash package, maybe. I haven't tried that.
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2221 [17:16:50] <somiaj> pepperflash plugin package is also broken, only way to get flash easy is the third party google-chrome package.
2222 [17:17:03] <Galaxor> dang.
2223 [17:17:03] <BluesKaj> nope i mean chrome, not chromium
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2231 [17:20:24] <Galaxor> Doesn't ubuntu have a working flash downloader? Couldn't debian grab theirs? Or is ubuntu's weird because canonical has some special arrangement with adobe or something?
2232 [17:21:00] <greycat> My understanding is just that the URL used in Debian's package has been yanked by whoever hosted it, and the package hasn't been updated.
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2234 [17:21:35] * dan hi
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2249 [17:30:27] <jelly> Galaxor: that's not the problem, maintainer just hasn't updated their whitelist of valid downloadables for the current version
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2253 [17:31:17] <jelly> greycat: it's not as much as yanked, as it never existed. The fact that downloader relies on something existing on blah.debian.org/~maintainer is a bit silly, too
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2257 [17:32:34] <Galaxor> Hm. All right, I got it. Downloaded the plugin to /usr/lib/flashplugin-nonfree, untarred it there, and then ran update-alternatives --install /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/flash-mozilla.so flash-mozilla.so /usr/lib/flashplugin-nonfree/libflashplayer.so 50
2258 [17:32:41] <jelly> yeah
2259 [17:32:45] <Galaxor> Thanks everyone.
2260 [17:33:10] <jelly> but now you didn't verify any checksums!!1
2261 [17:33:25] <jelly> and your download might have gotten MITMd!!1
2262 [17:33:26] <Galaxor> Tr00. I will probably get that ransomware now.
2263 [17:34:03] <Galaxor> How is the "shumway" project doing these days?
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2269 [17:35:39] <jelly> most if not all reimplementations are abandonded
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2272 [17:36:21] <greycat> Just waiting patiently for Flash to stop twitching.
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2275 [17:36:48] <greycat> "It's dead, Jim. But it's still moving."
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2278 [17:37:07] <Galaxor> >1yr since last commit, huh.
2279 [17:37:54] <jelly> at least most if not all video sites have html5. Sometimes you have to lie about being a tablet or phone to make them offer it
2280 [17:38:52] <jelly> s/have to lie/have to make your browser lie/
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2285 [17:41:09] <Galaxor> jelly: Oh, good idea.
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2292 [17:43:55] <jelly> in chromium/chrome, it may be as easy as opening F12 (developer tools), clicking on phone/tablet icon ("toggle device toolbar") and reloading the page
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2305 [17:48:25] <somiaj> yea it is silly to require a matainer updated file, but I haven't seen a better solution offered to dealing with adobe not being relaiable on how they name/store the plugin to download. The file just points at the correct download file on adobe.com. The bug report had mention of adding the functionality that you could point the script at a .tar.gz downloaded locally or manually point it at the download path
2306 [17:48:31] <somiaj> from adobe are at least ways to make it not be totally broken if the matainer fails to update the file on his webpage.
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2309 [17:49:17] <somiaj> though flash dying is a better solution to this mess
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2311 [17:50:21] <jelly> it doesn't even point at the file, it knows where the last year or so of releases have been. Just fails at downloading the maintainer-provided signature check
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2397 [18:25:56] <avalon_> dpkg --reconfigure tzdata is for changing timezone, right?
2398 [18:25:57] <dpkg> avalon_: I think you lost me on that one
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2401 [18:26:18] <missmbob> !timezone
2402 [18:26:18] <dpkg> A time zone is the standard time (aka local time) in a particular region. To change the timezone on Debian systems, execute "dpkg-reconfigure tzdata". Alternatively: "cp -b /usr/share/zoneinfo/$TZ /etc/localtime". Note that tzselect(1) does not change the timezone. Postfix users: execute "service postfix restart" to update localtime in the chroot.
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2405 [18:28:05] <dontknow> mess
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2407 [18:28:56] <missmbob> "dpkg-reconfigure tzdata" is pretty fucking easy. nothing messy about it.
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2409 [18:30:03] <dontknow> why isn't there a button
2410 [18:30:08] <BluesKaj> no need for the F-bomb, missmbob, you know better
2411 [18:30:59] <avalon_> thanks :)
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2428 [18:35:33] <jelly> dontknow: that answer to that one is always "because you didn't program it"
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2486 [18:56:22] <Violinist> can som1 help with aws ecr login
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2490 [18:57:14] <jim> I dunno... whatdo aws and ecr mean?
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2493 [18:57:30] <jelly> if you don't know then you probably can't help!
2494 [18:57:35] <Violinist> it say docker has a bug
2495 [18:57:43] <Violinist> god damn docker sux
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2498 [18:57:57] <jelly> Violinist: what does this have to do with Debian?
2499 [18:58:03] <Violinist> i dont know!
2500 [18:58:05] <Violinist> dont ask me
2501 [18:58:08] <torify> Hello. I am trying to activate bluetooth on start up and I am not being able to achieve it. I used to do it with systemctl but for some reason it's not working any more. Google told me to use rc.local but I couldn't make it work either
2502 [18:58:16] <Violinist> anyhow i logged in
2503 [18:58:19] <jelly> so.... why are you asking here?
2504 [18:58:22] <Violinist> had to replace https with nothing
2505 [18:58:24] <jim> jelly, could very well be
2506 [18:58:56] <Violinist> Latest versions of Docker use a new credentials storage feature which has a bug where doing a docker login with a URL that specifies a protocol will result in token expiration errors. This issue will be fixed in Docker 1.13.
2507 [18:59:00] <Violinist> ^ this
2508 [18:59:16] <jelly> and you got your docker from debian?
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2510 [18:59:28] <Violinist> no forget it
2511 [18:59:40] <Violinist> debian is my favorite os so i come here
2512 [18:59:42] <torify> jelly: any idea on how to automatically activate bluetooth on start up?
2513 [18:59:48] <jelly> torify: no
2514 [19:00:05] <torify> hm
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2516 [19:00:19] <altyr> torify: look into bluetooth managers
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2518 [19:00:46] <jelly> torify: how do you do it manually?
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2521 [19:01:03] <torify> sudo service bluetooth start
2522 [19:01:11] <torify> and then enter my super secret sudo key
2523 [19:01:20] <jelly> torify: which debian release is this
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2526 [19:01:34] <torify> Debian Jeezy
2527 [19:01:52] <jelly> torify: there's no jeezy. what does "lsb_release -sc" say
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2529 [19:02:18] <torify> Jessie
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2531 [19:02:22] <torify> close enough
2532 [19:02:23] <jelly> torify: or dpkg -l libc6 dpkg | tail -n 2
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2535 [19:03:16] <jelly> torify: alright, so what does "systemctl status bluetooth" say? put the full output on replaced-url
2536 [19:03:17] <torify> 2.19-18+deb8u9
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2540 [19:04:13] <jelly> torify: and if you can, what does the same command say after you boot the system but before you start the service manually
2541 [19:04:32] <torify> replaced-url
2542 [19:04:53] <torify> I will have to reboot to get that
2543 [19:05:06] <jelly> yes.
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2545 [19:05:16] <torify> be back in 5 then
2546 [19:05:26] <jelly> ok
2547 [19:05:43] <torify> by the way, sudo systemctl status bluetooth answers a different thing
2548 [19:05:56] <torify> is that supposed to happen?
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2550 [19:06:26] <torify> brb 5
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2572 [19:12:28] <torify> back
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2574 [19:13:13] <torify> jelly: replaced-url
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2577 [19:14:00] <jelly> torify: can you run as root (with sudo prepended), you said the output was different
2578 [19:14:23] <jelly> oh, you did
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2580 [19:14:59] <torify> replaced-url
2581 [19:15:01] <jelly> torify: so the service tried to start at boot but died for some reason
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2583 [19:15:16] <torify> yeah, it used to work until two days ago or so
2584 [19:15:24] <jmcnaught> wouldn't the status be failed if that were the case?
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2587 [19:16:07] <jelly> torify: I have no idea if that output at 19:11 is normal or not, might be worth investigating
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2589 [19:17:22] <torify> to be honest I don't really know where to start. I even changed my keyboard batteries to see if that was the issue but not. rc.local is not doing the job either
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2595 [19:18:53] <torify> note that after restarting bluetooth everything works just fine
2596 [19:19:25] <torify> for some reason I didn't have the package bluetooth installed. Does that have anything to do with it?
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2605 [19:20:58] <jelly> torify: package names can differ from service names. «dpkg -S /lib/systemd/system/bluetooth.service» will tell you which package the service definition belongs to
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2607 [19:21:25] <torify> wow, that's cool
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2613 [19:23:48] <rafapvz> Hi, I need some help, anybody here?
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2617 [19:24:19] <jelly> !ask
2618 [19:24:19] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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2634 [19:29:46] <nix64bit> Should I run debian or microsoft vista?
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2636 [19:30:05] <missmbob> no one cares
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2638 [19:30:06] <greycat> You should run whatever you want.
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2641 [19:30:18] <greycat> Both, neither, one, the other.
2642 [19:30:50] <torify> what is microsoft vista?
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2647 [19:31:52] <nix64bit> torify: good question
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2649 [19:32:43] <rafapvz> I downloaded the proprietary drivers of Realtek. After succesfull "./configure" I typed make. But It gave an error saying that there is no include/sndversions.h . Whet sohould I do?
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2655 [19:34:05] <jelly> rafapvz: drives for which piece of hardware?
2656 [19:34:07] <mutante> rafapvz: install kernel headers
2657 [19:34:09] <nix64bit> rafapvz: do you really need the propreitry divers? They caused me pain in the past
2658 [19:34:11] <jelly> drivers*
2659 [19:34:31] <rafapvz> I believe I need them. I don't think I have audio on the computer,
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2662 [19:35:26] <jelly> rafapvz: show the output of: lspci -nn |grep -i audio
2663 [19:35:28] <rafapvz> It's for sound card.
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2666 [19:37:17] <rafapvz> I'm not in the same computer, but the output was something like: 00:1b.0 Audio device [0403]: Intel Corporation NM10/ICH7 etc...
2667 [19:37:24] <nix64bit> pulse audio used to cause problems
2668 [19:37:25] <rafapvz> One line only
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2670 [19:38:04] <mutante> i think if you do "apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r)" and try that "make" again it might change your error about the missing file
2671 [19:38:08] <jelly> rafapvz: sadly that's missing the most useful piece of information
2672 [19:38:24] <jelly> ask again when you have access to the machine
2673 [19:38:34] <rafapvz> OK, jelly.
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2675 [19:38:55] <rafapvz> mutante, about that, I already installed the headers.
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2677 [19:39:31] <mutante> rafapvz: "make headers_check" ?
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2682 [19:40:29] <jelly> rafapvz: the drivers you found may possibly be relevant only for very very old versions of linux kernel.
2683 [19:40:58] <rafapvz> mutante, "no rule for make target 'headers_check'
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2685 [19:41:15] <jelly> not worth guessing about the best way forward before we know the actual hardware in question
2686 [19:41:32] <nix64bit> check dmesg for errors on loading - dmesg | grep audio
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2688 [19:42:12] <rafapvz> OK. The rest of lspci if : Family High Definition Audio Controller [8086:27d8] (rev 02)
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2691 [19:42:59] <altyr> ,pciid 8086:27d8
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2693 [19:43:00] <rafapvz> nix64bit, no outpu.
2694 [19:43:00] <judd> [8086:27d8] is 'NM10/ICH7 Family High Definition Audio Controller' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel modules 'ata_generic', 'snd-hda-intel' in jessie. See also replaced-url
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2696 [19:43:25] <missmbob> you probably just need to install/run pavucontrol
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2699 [19:44:25] <torify> so, the thing is I am trying to activate bluetooth on start up and I am not being able to do so. I used to do it with systemctl but for some reason it's not working any more. Also tried rc.local as Google suggested but nothing
2700 [19:44:38] <altyr> ,file snd-hda-intel.ko
2701 [19:44:43] <judd> Search for snd-hda-intel.ko in jessie/amd64: linux-image-3.16.0-4-amd64: lib/modules/3.16.0-4-amd64/kernel/sound/pci/hda/snd-hda-intel.ko; linux-image-3.16.0-4-amd64-dbg: usr/lib/debug/lib/modules/3.16.0-4-amd64/kernel/sound/pci/hda/snd-hda-intel.ko
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2703 [19:45:06] <rafapvz> OK, thanks.
2704 [19:45:17] <altyr> looks like the driver comes bundled with the kernel. yeah, try pavucontrol
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2707 [19:45:32] <rafapvz> Thanks.
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2710 [19:46:20] <jelly> !alsa checklist
2711 [19:46:21] <dpkg> 1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out & in again) 2) unmute and raise channels w/ alsamixer (also try muting some & toggle jack sense if available) 3) <pulseaudio> or other daemon stopped? 4) speakers on? 5) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? 6) purge any installed <oss4> packages to remove ALSA blacklist. See also <list alsa users>, <alsa firmware>.
2712 [19:46:41] <jelly> that... is rather outdated
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2716 [19:47:06] <torify> what should I do?
2717 [19:47:08] <mutante> i remember very well looking for the cause forever until i realized the mixers were set to volume 0 and "aumix -v 100" solved it :p
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2723 [19:49:42] <torify> so, the thing is I am trying to activate bluetooth on start up and I am not being able to do so. I used to do it with systemctl but for some reason it's not working any more. Also tried rc.local as Google suggested but nothing. What should I do to be able to start bluetooth at start up?
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2728 [19:50:16] <greycat> That would be nice if I actually knew anything about Bluetooth. Sorry.
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2730 [19:50:36] <torify> fair enough, thanks either way
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2734 [19:51:44] <greycat> I'm curious how you think "try rc.local" is a meaningful thing.
2735 [19:51:53] <greycat> What did you put in there? What happened when you booted?
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2737 [19:52:43] <torify> I read online I should add rfkill unblock all
2738 [19:52:50] <torify> but your are right, that was a vague statement
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2742 [19:53:21] <torify> sorry for that
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2744 [19:53:43] <greycat> Does that do anything if you run it *now*?
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2747 [19:54:36] <Guest89689> not much apparently. either way I have to leave. those were the best 2 hours of my life...
2748 [19:55:14] <Guest89689> bravo. Audio isn't working either
2749 [19:55:23] <Guest89689> wth is going on?!
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2754 [19:56:56] <Guest89689> do you know anything about audio greycat?
2755 [19:57:10] <greycat> Not if it involves PulseAudio, or bluetooth devices.
2756 [19:57:26] <Guest89689> it doesn't involve bluetooth devices
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2763 [19:58:58] <Guest89689> my computer seems to be mad at me
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2782 [20:01:54] <BluesKaj> avoid pulseaudio if you possibly can, but some soundcards/drivers need it for flash audio on websites, fortunately intel audio does not
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2786 [20:02:16] <tempate> BluesKaj: thanks, but it suddenly works now
2787 [20:02:19] <tempate> easy come easy go
2788 [20:02:29] <missmbob> last firefox also needs pulseaudio
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2790 [20:02:51] <tempate> missmbob: any idea on how to activate bluetooth on start up?
2791 [20:02:52] <missmbob> so...it's not realistic to not use it on a desktop
2792 [20:02:53] <BluesKaj> yup, so i switched to chrome
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2794 [20:03:10] <missmbob> i've never touched bt
2795 [20:03:21] <tempate> damn son
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2798 [20:03:32] <greycat> Debian's firefox-esr still works without PA, yes?
2799 [20:03:42] <edi> !dpkg install
2800 [20:03:42] <dpkg> There are a myriad of different ways to install Debian. See replaced-url
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2802 [20:03:57] <BluesKaj> greycat, yes I think so
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2804 [20:03:58] <edi> !dpkg install
2805 [20:03:59] <dpkg> There are a myriad of different ways to install Debian. See replaced-url
2806 [20:04:19] <nix64bit> rafapvz: so what haooened
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2808 [20:04:20] <dondelelcaro> tempate: if you have bluetooth installed, and the device trusted, it should just work™
2809 [20:04:32] <tempate> it isn't
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2811 [20:04:47] <tempate> I have to sudo service bluetooth start every time a boot up
2812 [20:05:28] <dondelelcaro> tempate: are you using systemd? what does systemctl status bluetooth; say?
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2815 [20:06:09] <tempate> before I activate bluetooth manually it says "status dead"
2816 [20:06:13] <tempate> after it says this
2817 [20:06:27] <dondelelcaro> tempate: does it say that it is enabled? Or just dead?
2818 [20:06:38] <tempate> just dead
2819 [20:06:40] <teraflops> enable != start
2820 [20:06:54] <BluesKaj> tempate, write a script with that command and add it to your startup and shutdown, it's easy in kde in case you run that
2821 [20:06:54] <tempate> now it is active (running)
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2823 [20:07:31] <teraflops> tempate: if the service fails read the fine logs
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2825 [20:07:44] <teraflops> journallctl/systemctl status
2826 [20:07:47] <tempate> BlueByte: isn't there a more standarized way to start bluetooth?
2827 [20:08:23] <dondelelcaro> teraflops: right, but if it's enabled and the vendor preset is enabled, then it should automatically start
2828 [20:08:27] <teraflops> it should start fine if you enable the service, unless it's failing
2829 [20:08:51] <dondelelcaro> (at boot; you'll still have to run systemctl start bluetooth; now)
2830 [20:09:27] <teraflops> did he paste the output of journalctl -u bluetooth.service?
2831 [20:09:29] <tempate> I found this: replaced-url
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2833 [20:09:54] <teraflops> or full oputput of systemct status bluetooth.service?
2834 [20:10:07] <dondelelcaro> tempate: paste the whole output of systemctl status bluetooth.service there.
2835 [20:10:11] <tempate> dondelelcaro: what do you mean with now?
2836 [20:10:11] <teraflops> sorry the typos
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2838 [20:10:51] <tempate> replaced-url
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2842 [20:11:03] <tempate> systemctl status bluetooth.service
2843 [20:11:05] <teraflops> who knows maybe the bt decive is sotfblocked or whatever...
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2845 [20:11:24] <tempate> let me say that everything worked perfectly until yesterday
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2847 [20:11:53] <jmcnaught> a service unit that fails to start would be in the failed state, not the inactive state
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2849 [20:12:23] <jmcnaught> though it would be good to check "journalctl -u bluetooth" for more clues
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2851 [20:13:27] <tempate> jmcnaught:
2852 [20:13:28] <tempate> replaced-url
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2860 [20:14:54] <teraflops> how did you setup bluetooth? did you add custom params to the daemon?
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2862 [20:15:08] <tempate> not that I know of
2863 [20:15:09] <jmcnaught> tempate: is 19:11 when the system booted, and 19:15 when you restarted it? have you looked at that hci0 Load connection error?
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2865 [20:15:35] <tempate> 1. yes 2. no
2866 [20:15:54] <tempate> how do I do the second question?
2867 [20:15:58] <jmcnaught> tempate: could you please paste /etc/default/bluetooth?
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2869 [20:16:18] <karimb> hello folks
2870 [20:16:33] <teraflops> tempate: also the service is running according to your systemctl status paste. is it working right now?
2871 [20:16:33] <jmcnaught> tempate: use a paper notepad, write down the times you reboot, restart services etc so that you can cross-reference with the logs
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2873 [20:16:52] <karimb> i run alien on a python package and while it successfully converts it, its modules dont get properly imported. rings a bell ?
2874 [20:16:53] <tempate> replaced-url
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2877 [20:17:01] <teraflops> -b "n" exists
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2880 [20:17:36] <tempate> it is working right now teraflops. but just because I manually activated it
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2883 [20:18:10] <teraflops> tempate: so for the sake of you sanity and if you want us to help you lets do things properly
2884 [20:18:17] <teraflops> our*
2885 [20:18:19] <greycat> By "activated" you mean you typed "systemctl start bluetooth"? If so, it would be useful to see the output of "systemctl status bluetooth" before and after that.
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2888 [20:18:26] <teraflops> agh I have lag
2889 [20:18:39] <ShalokShalom_> hi there :)
2890 [20:18:41] <ShalokShalom_> replaced-url
2891 [20:18:41] <tempate> greycat: I actually typed sudo service bluetooth start
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2893 [20:18:43] <ShalokShalom_> when i install this image, is it rolling?
2894 [20:18:45] <ShalokShalom_> i want to keep it on Stretch
2895 [20:19:19] <tempate> teraflops: lets do things properly then. Believe it or not I am trying my best here, I don't really have much idea of what to do though
2896 [20:19:21] <greycat> If you're on stretch now, just make sure sources.list says "stretch" and not "testing", and you'll stay on stretch.
2897 [20:19:35] <teraflops> tempate: enable the service, let it starts at boot, and share the error
2898 [20:19:43] <missmbob> and dont use live iso to install. use a proper install iso
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2900 [20:19:53] <tempate> so, I have to reboot, is that correct?
2901 [20:19:57] <jmcnaught> the unit /lib/systemd/system/bluetooth.service has the directive ConditionPathIsDirectory=/sys/class/bluetooth… is it possible this path does not exist when systemd tries to start the service?
2902 [20:19:58] <greycat> If you managed to get a working install, then don't redo it.
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2905 [20:20:26] <greycat> jmcnaught: "tried to start too early" is on my list of things to worry about...
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2908 [20:20:42] <missmbob> did he actually enable it?
2909 [20:20:46] <greycat> jmcnaught: that's why I think seeing before-and-after systemctl status would be helpful. Maybe.
2910 [20:20:48] <tempate> I did
2911 [20:20:58] <tempate> teraflops: let me reboot and see what happens
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2913 [20:21:15] <jmcnaught> actually… i was looking at bluetooth.service in stretch, that directive isn't present in jessie
2914 [20:21:16] <teraflops> tempate: you can systemctl disable it and a sudo systemctl daemon-reload wont hurt
2915 [20:21:17] <teraflops> xD
2916 [20:21:30] <teraflops> then enable it and reboot
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2919 [20:21:56] <teraflops> oh is he runnning stretch?
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2921 [20:22:16] <teraflops> he/she/ey
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2934 [20:26:07] <tempate> alright, it didn't work
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2937 [20:26:45] <teraflops> tempate: paste the errors please
2938 [20:27:02] <tempate> teraflops: I am not getting any errors, it is just not getting started
2939 [20:27:17] <karimb> why does debian use dist-packages instead of site-packages to store python files ?
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2942 [20:27:54] <teraflops> systemct status bluetooth.service/journalctl -u bluetooth
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2944 [20:28:03] <tempate> replaced-url
2945 [20:28:06] <teraflops> without my typos :P
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2948 [20:29:15] <tempate> replaced-url
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2955 [20:30:31] <teraflops> sorry dude but youre not being helpful
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2957 [20:31:04] <tempate> I know I am not, but I have been here for two hours and I am going to blow my brains off. But you are right, sorry
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2959 [20:31:19] <tempate> teraflops: so, any idea on what is happening?
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2961 [20:32:13] <jmcnaught> tempate: take a break ☺ there's always somebody here later. looking at the journalctl entries for bluetooth.service after a boot but before you manually start the service would be helpful
2962 [20:32:46] <tempate> alright, will try again later. Thank you all
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2965 [20:33:38] <teraflops> yeah
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2976 [20:40:07] <MaxLanar> Hi, I activated the wifi on my debian box, and it didn't work well (I could iwlist scan wifi networks and see the the results, but then network-manager couldn't manage to bring up a working connection despite a good setup). Forget the wifi (I don't want/really need to spend time on this), but I triggered an enormous amount of log messages, my /var is filled in matter of seconds... I deleted the log files but now when I boot /var get
2977 [20:40:07] <MaxLanar> filled before I manage to log to my desktop session (I can enter my credentials in the graphical login manager but then the desktop session don't load (nothing happen, I can only contemplate the login background image). When I use ctrl-alt-f[0-9] keys I see billions of error messages appearing so fast on my screen I can't even read them (and then I can't go back to the graphical login manager background image). I booted in recovery mode
2978 [20:40:07] <MaxLanar> to delete the log files again but after booting again in normal mode my computer remain in the same unusable state. :/
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2981 [20:41:07] <humbot> wow
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2983 [20:41:31] <MaxLanar> What can I do to deactivate those messages / the log files, and regain control on my computer in normal mode ?
2984 [20:42:37] <jmcnaught> MaxLanar: what do the messages say?
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2986 [20:43:39] <jmcnaught> (you may need to boot a live disk and check /var/log/syslog to find out)
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2988 [20:44:10] <jhutchins_wk> MaxLanar: You need to fix whatever is causing the messages, not turn them off. Only very serious errors are written to the console, you should not attempt to proceed with a GUI session if you're getting errors there.
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2992 [20:44:43] <jhutchins_wk> MaxLanar: Error messages are trying to tell YOU something.
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2996 [20:45:54] <jmcnaught> MaxLanar: replaced-url
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3014 [20:53:30] <Lyberta> is gcc 7 going to be added to testing repo after stretch release?
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3016 [20:54:17] <MaxLanar> jmcnaught: the messages say this : replaced-url
3017 [20:54:19] <missmbob> yes. 7.1 is in experimental
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3029 [20:59:22] <jmcnaught> MaxLanar: those are new errors for me. some casual surfing found a Debian mail thread replaced-url
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3034 [20:59:59] <jmcnaught> MaxLanar: it looks like there are some kernel boot parameters related to power management that you could try. Is this an intel skylake or newer?
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3037 [21:01:41] <MaxLanar> jmcnaught: skylake yes
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3039 [21:01:59] <greycat> !skylake
3040 [21:01:59] <dpkg> an <intel-gfx> chipset requiring firmware. For jessie support, enable <backports> and <non-free sources>, then install <bpo kernel>, xserver-xorg-video-intel and firmware-misc-nonfree from jessie-backports.
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3044 [21:02:58] <greycat> Hmm, no kaby lake factoid (not even without the space)...
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3046 [21:03:32] <missmbob> there isnt a kernel package new enough, unfortunately
3047 [21:04:00] <greycat> *nod*
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3050 [21:05:01] <greycat> dpkg, kaby lake is Intel's next CPU architecture after <skylake>. Debian doesn't have a kernel package that supports Kaby Lake yet (May 2017).
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3052 [21:05:02] <dpkg> greycat: okay
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3054 [21:05:32] <MaxLanar> greycat: I already have a kernel from bpo, but I checked and I don't have that firmware-misc-nonfree package. I'll grab it and install it and tell you what
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3075 [21:15:23] <MaxLanar> Still the same after firmware-misc-nonfree installation :(
3076 [21:16:07] <jmcnaught> MaxLanar: did you try putting pci=noaer in the kernel command line?
3077 [21:16:31] <MaxLanar> jmcnaught: not yet
3078 [21:16:40] <MaxLanar> on my way
3079 [21:16:58] <jmcnaught> MaxLanar: i would give a read to that 1521173 launchpad bug i linked to above
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3081 [21:17:31] <jmcnaught> i couldn't find a corresponding Debian BTS bug, but i also didn't try very hard ☺
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3084 [21:19:49] <shtrb|work> With Intel 940MX card , is it safe to stick to nuevo without installing extra packages (other the standard xserver-xorg) ?
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3086 [21:20:20] <shtrb|work> I do not get flickering ,crashes or freezing but I do have some odd messages
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3093 [21:22:40] <shtrb|work> like priv: HUB0: 6013d4 0000573f (1f408200) and DRM: resuming
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3095 [21:23:17] <teraflops> what's *nuevo*?
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3097 [21:23:40] <shtrb|work> misspelled nouveau
3098 [21:23:43] <shtrb|work> sorry
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3100 [21:24:06] <shtrb|work> to stick to defaults only (debian sid )
3101 [21:24:34] <missmbob> !debian-next
3102 [21:24:34] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
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3104 [21:24:57] <teraflops> tried? it looks like you just need to uninstall nvidia blobs and reboot
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3108 [21:25:23] <shtrb|work> Let me make it clear , I didn't install any nvidia stuff at all
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3110 [21:25:48] <shtrb|work> other than nvidia-detect (which got installed somehow)
3111 [21:26:14] <shtrb|work> I'm saying that there are no visible problems (for me)
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3124 [21:31:49] <MaxLanar> jmcnaught: that pci parameter did the trick ! :)
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3131 [21:34:58] <MaxLanar> And the wifi's working !! You saved my day, thanks everyone.
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3151 [21:43:25] <jhutchins_wk> Skylake + Realtek = logflood.
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3154 [21:43:42] <screamslash> I'm trying to install debian via usb to a HP pavillion x360 laptop how do i get wifi turned on if i dont have an ehternet cord to install drivers?
3155 [21:44:11] <greycat> Usually by starting with the netinst-plus-firmware image.
3156 [21:44:43] <screamslash> where do i get that
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3159 [21:45:03] <missmbob> !firmware iso
3160 [21:45:03] <dpkg> Unofficial <netinst> images - containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for installing Debian 8 "Jessie" are available from replaced-url
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3164 [21:45:48] <screamslash> is amd64 64bit i can never remmeber
3165 [21:45:54] <missmbob> here's stretch replaced-url
3166 [21:45:57] <missmbob> yes
3167 [21:46:00] <screamslash> ok thanks
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3169 [21:46:21] <missmbob> hell at this point i'd just go stretch
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3176 [21:48:27] <jhutchins_wk> missmbob: You're the one always trying to kick people to #debian-next.
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3181 [21:49:03] <missmbob> it's a fresh install on a laptop. he has better chances. or do you have a point?
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3184 [21:49:25] <jhutchins_wk> missmbob: But yeah, I almost agree. I'm building a jessie server and will let stretch cook for a couple weeks before I upgrade, but no more than that.
3185 [21:49:28] <greycat> There was a huge swing in opinions here a few months back. People stopped pushing stretch users into #d-n
3186 [21:50:10] <jhutchins_wk> I think it depends on the question. If we can tell that it might be specific to testing -next could be more helpful.
3187 [21:50:20] <jhutchins_wk> A lot of questions are generic though.
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3189 [21:51:07] <greycat> It was much bigger than that. But if you're not seeing it, I can't really give you quotes. I don't keep logs.
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3196 [21:52:39] <man_arab> From which country are ye?
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3198 [21:53:01] <missmbob> !tell man_arab -about pm
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3245 [22:16:07] <teoo> hello everyone! i have a question about sources.list
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3247 [22:16:54] <teoo> i wanted to install capstone3 bit it was missing (i have debian jessie)
3248 [22:16:59] <teoo> couldn't find the package
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3250 [22:17:04] <greycat> ,v capstone3
3251 [22:17:04] <teoo> but on the website there was
3252 [22:17:05] <judd> No package named 'capstone3' was found in amd64.
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3255 [22:17:15] <teoo> and it suggested add this line: deb replaced-url
3256 [22:17:25] <greycat> What is the actual package name?
3257 [22:17:39] <teoo> i have added it but now it is downloading more than 1 gb of updates
3258 [22:17:51] <greycat> Nooooo
3259 [22:18:03] <greycat> Well, you're upgrading to stretch now, like it or not.
3260 [22:18:09] <teoo> libcapstone3 if i remember right (replaced-url
3261 [22:18:10] <missmbob> oops
3262 [22:18:16] <greycat> ,v libcapstone3
3263 [22:18:17] <judd> Package: libcapstone3 on amd64 -- jessie-backports: 3.0.4-1~bpo8+1; sid: 3.0.4-1; stretch: 3.0.4-1
3264 [22:18:24] <greycat> Could've got a backport instead. Too late now.
3265 [22:18:44] <altyr> ,capstone
3266 [22:18:47] <altyr> er
3267 [22:18:52] <altyr> ,v capstone
3268 [22:18:53] <judd> No package named 'capstone' was found in amd64.
3269 [22:18:54] <teoo> no problem if it is updating but how to avoid this next time i find a "missing" package?
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3271 [22:19:20] <greycat> !jessie-backports
3272 [22:19:21] <dpkg> Some packages intended for Stretch (Debian 9) but recompiled for use with "Jessie" (8.x) can be found in the "jessie-backports" repository. See replaced-url
3273 [22:19:29] <altyr> judd doesn't find source packages?
3274 [22:19:42] <missmbob> ask us first instead of just doing some random thing you found on the internet
3275 [22:19:59] <teoo> good point :)
3276 [22:20:49] <altyr> ,binaries capstone
3277 [22:20:51] <judd> Source capstone in jessie: Binaries: python-capstone, libcapstone-dev, libcapstone2
3278 [22:21:05] <teoo> yes, but i need version 3
3279 [22:21:12] <teoo> im trying to install evans debugger
3280 [22:21:30] <teoo> replaced-url
3281 [22:21:38] <teoo> and it say need capstone3
3282 [22:22:06] <missmbob> yes. greycat already covered this
3283 [22:22:18] <teoo> interesting
3284 [22:22:29] <teoo> let me duckduckgo it
3285 [22:22:42] <greycat> ... huh? What are you searching for now?
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3287 [22:23:11] <greycat> The bots already showed us that it's available in stretch and jessie-backports, and gave the instructions link for jessie-backports.
3288 [22:23:19] <missmbob> i was pointing out capstone3. dont know why altyr went on doing whatever they did
3289 [22:23:23] <greycat> Not that this will matter to you now that you are running stretch.
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3292 [22:24:09] <altyr> missmbob: mostly trying to get judd to do what i want. probably would've been better doing it in a query with the bot
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3294 [22:24:14] <teoo> sorry i read wrong
3295 [22:24:20] <teoo> to conclude:
3296 [22:24:23] <teoo> i learned the lesson
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3298 [22:24:31] <teoo> i get how to do it
3299 [22:24:36] <teoo> it is updating but no problem
3300 [22:25:00] <missmbob> not having security might be a problem depending on what that box is for
3301 [22:25:04] <greycat> You may want to review the jessie->stretch factoid to be sure you finish the release upgrade.
3302 [22:25:16] <teoo> dependency for evans debugger should be all installed now (i hope)
3303 [22:25:21] <teoo> security is not a problem
3304 [22:25:38] <teoo> i'm running Qubes OS and this is a debian template for random things
3305 [22:25:54] <teoo> i have other where i don't do random thing read over internet
3306 [22:26:14] <wyre> why my fresh install is listing lightdm in autoremove list when I do upgrade?
3307 [22:26:20] <wyre> I've installed jessie with xfce
3308 [22:27:03] <teoo> thanks to everyone! amazing how fast i got a solution
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3312 [22:29:11] <wyre> I mean, could I remove packages from my autoremove list?
3313 [22:29:39] <missmbob> you do that by just doing apt install packagename
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3316 [22:30:45] <wyre> missmbob, and if they are already installed why they appear in that list?
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3318 [22:31:05] <greycat> because they were not explicitly installed by name by you
3319 [22:31:13] <greycat> they were dragged in as dependencies of something else
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3366 [22:50:19] <wyre> greycat, when I try install that packages it asks me for CD
3367 [22:50:37] <greycat> !jessie sources.list
3368 [22:50:37] <dpkg> A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 8 "Jessie" has three lines: "deb replaced-url
3369 [22:50:45] <greycat> Assuming you're running jessie, of course.
3370 [22:51:10] <missmbob> (and take out any cd sources you may have in sources.list)
3371 [22:51:28] <greycat> I strongly recommend deleting the CD?DVD image lines unless you intend to use one in the future because you are on a low bandwidth or low reliability internet link.
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3388 [22:58:30] <rafaz> need help to recover data from Sd card can anyone guide me to a good support channel?
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3394 [23:00:33] <shtrb|work> dd ?
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3396 [23:01:07] <shtrb|work> also if it doesn't read from the slot , try one of the older convertors (SD to USB)
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3398 [23:01:44] <pthreat> nvidia-detect doesn't shows my card 3D controller: NVIDIA Corporation GF117M [GeForce 610M/710M/820M / GT 620M/625M/630M/720M]
3399 [23:02:07] <pthreat> Linux localhost 4.9.0-0.bpo.2-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.9.18-1~bpo8+1 (2017-04-10) x86_64 GNU/Linux
3400 [23:02:15] <vlt> rafaz: Use ddrescue to get an image of the readable parts of the device. Then do everything else on that image.
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3404 [23:02:53] <pthreat> I downloaded the proprietary drivers, I have run nvidia-xconfig but when I initiate X the driver doesn't gets recognized
3405 [23:02:57] <vlt> rafaz: Everything else might be tools like photorec, for example.
3406 [23:03:12] <rafaz> thanks man
3407 [23:03:30] <missmbob> pthreat: from where?
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3410 [23:04:20] <pthreat> From the nvidia site, I have also installed it from ports
3411 [23:04:25] <pthreat> err repositories
3412 [23:04:36] * missmbob blows up pthreat's computer
3413 [23:05:39] <missmbob> i'm not even kidding. i'd reinstall
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3416 [23:06:03] <pthreat> what ?
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3418 [23:06:13] <pthreat> reinstall what exactly
3419 [23:06:18] <missmbob> debian
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3421 [23:06:37] <pthreat> right
3422 [23:06:46] <greycat> There may be some more labor-intensive but less thorough way to get rid of the proprietary nvidia drivers, but it's not a well understood procedure.
3423 [23:06:47] * shtrb|work wonder how missmobob will handle the new shenanigans of flatpak installed on user level
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3426 [23:07:38] <jmcnaught> pthreat: the proper way to install nvidia proprietary drivers is documented here: replaced-url
3427 [23:08:24] <shtrb|work> ! optimus
3428 [23:08:25] <dpkg> The Bumblebee project aims to provide support for the Nvidia Optimus GPU switching technology on Linux systems. GeForce 400M (4xxM) and later mobile GPU series are Optimus-enabled; if «lspci -nn | grep '\''[030[02]\]'» returns two lines, the laptop likely uses Optimus. Packaged for Debian <jessie> and <wheezy-backports>. replaced-url
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3430 [23:08:27] <pthreat> replaced-url
3431 [23:08:32] <shtrb|work> cool thanks dpkg
3432 [23:08:47] <pthreat> I installed bumblebee, I was about to check that
3433 [23:08:54] <shtrb|work> It was for me
3434 [23:09:04] <shtrb|work> I just didn't knew the correct links
3435 [23:09:07] <greycat> (next time /msg dpkg optimus)
3436 [23:09:15] <shtrb|work> sorry
3437 [23:09:34] <jmcnaught> pthreat: if you have an optimus system then bumblebee might be required. disabling one of the GPUs in the firmware might also work.
3438 [23:09:56] <shtrb|work> jmcnaught , it was for me (I did a mistake not to pm the bot)
3439 [23:10:14] <pthreat> it doesn't matter, it's related to my issue anyways
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3443 [23:10:44] <shtrb|work> what's dpkg's command for PRIME option ?
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3446 [23:11:45] <jmcnaught> shtrb|work: replaced-url
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3448 [23:12:33] <shtrb|work> thanks
3449 [23:14:19] <wyre> is mesa-demos a metapackage?
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3451 [23:14:39] <greycat> ,info mesa-demos
3452 [23:14:40] <judd> No package named 'mesa-demos' was found in jessie/amd64.
3453 [23:14:43] <pthreat> I'll look for the drivers for 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Intel Corporation Haswell-ULT Integrated Graphics Controller [8086:0a16] (rev 0b)
3454 [23:15:24] <wyre> greycat, replaced-url
3455 [23:15:25] <wyre> ?
3456 [23:15:32] <greycat> So it's a source package....
3457 [23:15:43] <wyre> what does that mean? xD
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3462 [23:16:07] <greycat> ,binary mesa-demos
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3464 [23:16:27] <greycat> or... the other one... :(
3465 [23:16:29] <jmcnaught> pthreat: intel gpu drivers should already be installed if you have xorg installed
3466 [23:16:32] <greycat> ,binaries mesa-demos
3467 [23:16:33] <judd> Source mesa-demos in jessie: Binaries: mesa-utils-extra, mesa-utils
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3469 [23:16:54] <wyre> greycat, then I cannot install a source package with apt-get?
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3471 [23:17:09] <greycat> pthreat: however, some Intel chipsets need backported packages if you're on jessie
3472 [23:17:19] <pthreat> I'm on jessie
3473 [23:17:33] <missmbob> wyre: apt source mesa-demos
3474 [23:17:33] <greycat> wyre: the source package is just source code. It gets built into one or more binary packages that you can install and run.
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3476 [23:18:03] <greycat> In this case, the bot said it gets built into mesa-utils and mesa-utils-extra
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3478 [23:18:10] <pthreat> greycat: Is this device glx capable?
3479 [23:18:38] <wyre> greycat, I thought that was a metapackage xD
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3481 [23:19:09] <greycat> No, a metapackage is a binary package that has no real files of its own (maybe copyright or something), and just exists to have Depends: entries.
3482 [23:19:21] <greycat> For example, "xorg"
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3491 [23:24:48] <shtrb|work> is there a debian "store" for flatpak ?
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3509 [23:31:41] <alekz> shtrb|work: replaced-url
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3512 [23:33:03] <shtrb|work> I know how deb packing works , I'm asking is there a centrilized repository for flatpak / snaps by debian
3513 [23:33:33] <shtrb|work> in contrast to the "Ubuntu" store and per developer repository
3514 [23:34:29] <jmcnaught> shtrb|work: i bet that gnome software will support flatpak at some point
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3516 [23:35:03] <shtrb|work> I think they both have some support (KDE and Gnome)
3517 [23:35:29] <shtrb|work> resent KDE (upstream) added support for snaps on user level
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3520 [23:36:07] <missmbob> snaps make me want to punch babies
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3522 [23:36:28] <missmbob> flatpaks are neat though
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3524 [23:37:15] <shtrb|work> why the different approach ?
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3526 [23:37:43] <fallentree> shtrb|work: uh snaps are designed to work cross platform, there's no special repo for distros, there's snapcraft.io
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3531 [23:38:37] <fallentree> same thing for flatpaks
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