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0 [00:00:25] <sonion_> peaches and watermellon are the best in vodka
1 [00:00:42] <Eryn_1983_FL> peaches and cream...
2 [00:00:53] <sonion_> Eryn_1983_FL: get the info from proc and make a script that reads it -
3 [00:01:20] <Eryn_1983_FL> ok..
4 [00:01:44] <Tsutsukakushi> app?
5 [00:01:59] <Eryn_1983_FL> uhh
6 [00:02:10] <Tsutsukakushi> cat /sys/class/power_supply/BAT0/capacity
7 [00:02:11] <Eryn_1983_FL> what is called in proc? i dont see a battery.. or b*
8 [00:02:16] <Eryn_1983_FL> ofcourse..
9 [00:02:45] <Tsutsukakushi> replaced-url
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11 [00:02:58] <sonion_> something like /bin/cat /sys/class/power_supply/BAT0/charge_now
12 [00:02:58] <Tsutsukakushi> this is what i use
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15 [00:03:40] <missmbob> upower -i $(upower -e | grep BAT) | grep --color=never -E "state|to\ full|to\ empty|percentage"
16 [00:04:50] <sonion_> i think i have the wrong upower link replaced-url
17 [00:05:14] <Eryn_1983_FL> cool ty guys
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19 [00:05:49] <sonion_> you need the battery kernel module loaded too
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21 [00:06:19] <John> my swap has been used!
22 [00:06:20] <missmbob> that's not the link at all. lol. replaced-url
23 [00:06:27] <John> 36MB were written so far
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25 [00:06:35] <John> no longer needed, but i guess for a second it was
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27 [00:06:53] <missmbob> none of you are allowed to make a movie you know nothing about :P
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31 [00:08:02] <newlinux> Hi
32 [00:08:07] <newlinux> How can I wipe my harddrive?
33 [00:08:16] <newlinux> I cant use DBAN for some reason, I getting cat: can't open '/prooc/cmdline': No such file or directory
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35 [00:08:28] <sonion_> porno or state secrets?
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37 [00:08:32] <newlinux> Is there any other way to wipe my harddrive?
38 [00:08:38] <missmbob> newlinux: replaced-url
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43 [00:10:10] <sonion_> i'd use dd - you really can't erase anything - thems got trace particle analytical retrival devices that can see all - even photorec/testdisk can get stuff thought to be long gone
44 [00:10:21] <Eryn_1983_FL> ok xmobar is not picking up power stuff how do i make it do so?
45 [00:10:30] <Eryn_1983_FL> i can get it on cli fine too
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49 [00:11:11] <missmbob> why dont you use what i gave you?
50 [00:11:11] <sonion_> that was the only good thing about windows - it had a nice battery empty/full graphics
51 [00:11:28] <sonion_> why don't you use what I gave you?
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53 [00:11:52] <newlinux> sonion_: You really cant erase anything? What do you mean?
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56 [00:12:11] <Eryn_1983_FL> i did but i want it on my bar
57 [00:12:21] <sonion_> the magnetics etc on a disk are always still there - the only way is ti incinerate
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59 [00:12:50] <sonion_> Eryn_1983_FL: you can make a great task bar icon with lazarus-ide and display battery status
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62 [00:13:29] <newlinux> missmbob: So I cant use ubuntu live usb and then use gnome-disks tool that has ATA Secure Erase?
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64 [00:13:47] <missmbob> newlinux: i dont care what you use
65 [00:13:57] <sonion_> even redoing partitions and reformating can be undone by lowly testdisk/photorec - do a google on the equation group
66 [00:14:10] <newlinux> missmbob: Why not?
67 [00:14:26] <missmbob> jesus christ. why the fuck would i?
68 [00:14:42] <newlinux> missmbob: please watch ur language
69 [00:15:01] <missmbob> no. sorry.
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108 [00:34:02] <newlinux> missmbob: Im not familyar to use commands. is there any easy gui way to wipe my harddrive?
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120 [00:36:34] <Walex> newlinux: some GUI programs probably support the SATA "SECURITY ERASE" function, but I always use the command line for that, so I would not know which one.#
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122 [00:37:32] <sonion_> did you google the equation group?
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124 [00:37:57] <Walex> newlinux: IIRC there are some GUI frontends to 'smartctl'...
125 [00:38:05] <Walex> newlinux: also look here: replaced-url
126 [00:38:45] <Walex> newlinux: claims that 'gparted' has a well hidden security erase command
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131 [00:41:44] <sonion_> gparted can't hold a candle against testdisk
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133 [00:42:22] <Walex> newlinux: replaced-url
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158 [00:58:00] <newlinux> Walex: thank you. should I boot from ubuntu live?
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163 [00:59:52] <sonion_> ubuntu? is that thing still around? who knew
164 [01:00:11] <missmbob> someone else who doesnt care what you do. imagine that
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197 [01:30:59] <MrCthulhu> what!?
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203 [01:33:57] <sonion_> how do you pronounce your nick? siri tells me to keep repeating it when she and i look for your internet file
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223 [01:46:29] <newlinux> Is using multiple passes for wiping a disk really necessary?
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225 [01:47:23] <sonion_> what exaclty is the type of data you are trying to hide?
226 [01:47:44] <nine_milli> dont ask dont tell
227 [01:48:15] <sonion_> his stuff is already on wikileaks i just want to see if he is honest with himself
228 [01:48:34] <newlinux> sonion_: Selling my computer and I dont want people to see my holiday photos.
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230 [01:48:38] <missmbob> once is really all you need. people are just paranoid. replaced-url
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238 [01:51:48] <sonion_> i'd just put ubuntu on it and a folder called 'secret stuff' then touch "
239 [01:51:52] <newlinux> missmbob: with 00s or random text, does it matter?
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242 [01:52:08] <sonion_> secret stuff/love-letter.txt" and be done with it
243 [01:52:34] <newlinux> sonion_: I dont know, maybe the guy who buy my computer are trying to recover my harddrive somehow?
244 [01:52:34] <missmbob> yeah. i cant believe you've cared this much. just do whatever the live cd does. couldnt matter less
245 [01:53:03] <sonion_> i wouldn't have put my ip in the ircname of your whois though
246 [01:53:48] <cabraturgo> Hi, people! Quick check: is Evolution in Stretch working with the new GMail login for anyone?
247 [01:53:59] <missmbob> working for me
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250 [01:54:08] <sonion_> now the world knows to look for your computer on ebay you said?
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254 [01:55:13] <cabraturgo> @missmbob, did you had configured it before it changed or have you relogin in the last week?
255 [01:55:16] <missmbob> using online accounts in gnome-control-center (click on details).
256 [01:55:18] <newlinux> sonion_: What you are saying no one should care about their privacy?
257 [01:55:25] <missmbob> yes, actually
258 [01:55:26] <cabraturgo> ok
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260 [01:55:35] <cabraturgo> i'll try that way
261 [01:55:46] <cabraturgo> thanks a bunch
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263 [01:56:23] <missmbob> awesome thing about that way is it works with 2 step auth. setting it up as just imap doesnt
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267 [01:57:26] <sonion_> newlinux: where did you go on vacation? did you get so drunk that the kids drew penii on your forehead or something?
268 [01:57:48] <cabraturgo> yeah, through Evolution form doesn't even let me login but through online accounts works, I don't know why didn't think of that
269 [01:57:59] <newlinux> sonion_: Does that really matter for you?
270 [01:58:32] <missmbob> so long as you remember for next time :P
271 [01:58:41] <cabraturgo> sure, thanks again ^^
272 [01:58:57] <sonion_> well i paid $20 for these pics that claimed they were of you and i don't want to get scammed again
273 [01:59:24] <TomTomTosch> newlinux: wipe the drive. dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/<the drive> wait a few hours, depending on the size.
274 [02:00:12] <newlinux> TomTomTosch: Thank you, is that 1 pass with random data?
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276 [02:00:19] <TomTomTosch> yes
277 [02:00:37] <sonion_> you will need exactly 212 passes - siri told me this
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279 [02:00:46] <newlinux> TomTomTosch: May I ask, whats different between 00s pass or random data?
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282 [02:01:53] <TomTomTosch> the idea is that random data introduces noise that makes forensic analysis harder.
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286 [02:03:37] <TomTomTosch> /dev/zero is faster, though.
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292 [02:03:58] <missmbob> hella faster
293 [02:04:27] <newlinux> TomTomTosch: So what I have to do is, install USB bootable debian or ubuntu. And then boot and run dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/<the drive>?
294 [02:04:27] <MrCthulhu> hi
295 [02:04:29] <newlinux> Thats it?
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298 [02:04:56] <missmbob> or just use the secure erase option in ubuntu
299 [02:05:13] <TomTomTosch> you need to boot from a different drive, yes.
300 [02:05:21] <newlinux> missmbob: what secure erase option?
301 [02:05:31] <jmcnaught> ,i nwipe
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305 [02:05:32] <judd> Package nwipe (utils, extra) in jessie/amd64: Utility to securely erase disks. Version: 0.17-1; Size: 29.8k; Installed: 116k; Homepage: replaced-url
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307 [02:05:48] <missmbob> newlinux: it's in ubuntu live, like i said
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309 [02:06:00] <missmbob> newlinux: tool that wipes it securely without you doing anything
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313 [02:06:16] <missmbob> like i said before
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315 [02:06:44] <newlinux> ok thank you
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320 [02:07:40] <newlinux> whats the different between using nwipe, secure erase option in ubuntu and dd?
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322 [02:08:04] <jmcnaught> the user interface
323 [02:08:21] <newlinux> ok
324 [02:08:38] <sonion_> newlinux: if you are this concerned about your holiday pics 1. see a priest or turn yourself into interpol
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326 [02:09:09] <missmbob> wow. that one was actually funny
327 [02:09:21] <newlinux> sonion_: there could be nude pictures on your mother, thats why :)
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329 [02:09:31] <sonion_> they all are at this end... that is the problem
330 [02:09:31] <jmcnaught> nwipe is what i used last time i needed to wipe some drives
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332 [02:09:43] <missmbob> i used a drill
333 [02:10:02] <newlinux> sonion_: sorry bro, i was joking with you :)
334 [02:10:20] <jmcnaught> i just needed to get rid of old raid and lvm metadata
335 [02:10:21] <sonion_> newlinux: no problem - you probably got them off her site anyway
336 [02:10:44] <TomTomTosch> classy...
337 [02:10:53] <jmcnaught> newlinux: sonion_: please take this somewhere else.
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339 [02:11:09] <sonion_> uh oh the fuzz
340 [02:11:12] <sonion_> :)
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379 [02:34:13] <p1kanuku> #flood
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381 [02:34:57] <dvs> #drought
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385 [02:37:11] <sonion_> personally i'd rather see offtopic rather then nothing - don't you want freenode to think debian is hot?
386 [02:37:29] <missmbob> offtopic should be in #debian-offtopic
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388 [02:37:48] <p1kanuku> #debian-offtopic
389 [02:38:10] <missmbob> use a / in front p1kanuku
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391 [02:40:37] <bazhang> /join
392 [02:42:37] <sonion_> and this ain't offtopic ?
393 [02:42:56] <sonion_> why yes it is sonion_ - thank you for bringing it to our attention
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401 [02:50:31] <newlinux> sonion_: replaced-url
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403 [02:51:25] <missmbob> newlinux: when you do things like that (especially youtube) you risk hundreds of thousands of people adding you to /ignore ...like i want to do you now
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405 [02:51:59] <missmbob> hundres..not thousands...heh
406 [02:52:09] <missmbob> fuck
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408 [02:52:19] <dvs> meeellions!
409 [02:52:45] <sonion_> newlinux: do you have testdisl/photorec - give it a try i think you will not be happy
410 [02:53:12] <bazhang> testdisk
411 [02:53:20] <sonion_> and interpol already has a file on you - so don't bother hiding ;)
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414 [02:55:41] <UUSSEERR> hello all I am having an issue. I have upgraded one of my smaller devices to debian sid. When the choice came to keep my custom grub setup I erroneously chose to instead of generating a new one (it has a 32 bit uefi and a 64 bit system). Now I amstill booting 3.16 and do not know how to boot to the 4.9 kernel. It isn't even in the boot directory. I have looked all over. Thank you for your time and any guidance you may share!
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416 [02:55:47] <sonion_> seriously you are better off just changing partition sizes and reformating them with ntfs - no one would even think of undoing it - who hasn't got your interpol file that is
417 [02:56:15] <missmbob> 4.9 is in jessie-backports
418 [02:56:21] <missmbob> !jessie-backports
419 [02:56:21] <dpkg> Some packages intended for Stretch (Debian 9) but recompiled for use with "Jessie" (8.x) can be found in the "jessie-backports" repository. See replaced-url
420 [02:56:28] <missmbob> read the url with instructions
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423 [02:57:33] <UUSSEERR> I am upgraded to sid I just need to boot correctly.sudo apt-get dist-upgrade shows no changes needed. my sources.list only grab from sid
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427 [02:57:55] <UUSSEERR> it is a grub issue
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429 [02:58:31] <UUSSEERR> update-grub doesnt help either
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431 [02:58:35] <jelly> sonion_: try to keep chatter in here to a minimum next time, esp. when there's actual support questions being dealt with. 2 hours quiet.
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437 [03:01:58] <UUSSEERR> I'm sorry if I am confusing by 4.9 I mean whatever comes with sid. (4.x?)
438 [03:02:17] <jelly> ,kernels
439 [03:02:18] <judd> Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.11.0-trunk-686 (4.11-1~exp2); sid: 4.9.0-3-686 (4.9.25-1); stretch: 4.9.0-2-686 (4.9.18-1); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.2-686-pae (4.9.18-1~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.43-2); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.88-1)
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441 [03:02:31] <jelly> still 4.9
442 [03:02:43] <missmbob> sid support is in #debian-next on oftc network
443 [03:02:51] <jelly> that too
444 [03:02:57] <UUSSEERR> tysm!!!
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619 [05:32:44] <johefernan> How do I change bind9 default 53 port
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624 [05:35:26] <UUSSEERR> Here's one for you guys! Running mate DE and the debian backround image persists after changing it in mate appearance preferences. any help?
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749 [07:38:26] <podosfero> hello, can someone with an ntfs partition check if this command 'ntfs-3g -o windows_names' works, please? the windows_names option is always ignored for some reason, i tried 'mount -o windows_names' and 'mount -t ntfs-3g -o windows_names', and in all cases it is ignored
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761 [07:49:20] <missmbob> works for me in jessie
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770 [07:55:18] <podosfero> hello missmbob , enter mount, do you see windows_names among the mount options for the ntfs partition? if no, then it was ignored in your system also
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782 [07:57:11] <podosfero> missmbob: in case it didn't notify you
783 [07:58:31] <missmbob> i'm in the drive, browsing it...but sudo mount |grep ntfs is blank. i dont know wtf that means
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794 [08:02:29] <podosfero> missmbob: one of the two or both will output at least one match
795 [08:03:48] <BanHammor> MissionCritical, can you just pastebin the mount output?
796 [08:03:54] <BanHammor> blerg, wrong m
797 [08:04:12] <BanHammor> missmbob, ^
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913 [09:14:18] <robert__> im having a panic attack, I can't do something simple.
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917 [09:14:54] <robert__> I just want to be able to install jockey-text or manage my drivers another way
918 [09:15:14] <robert__> can someone help me switch from nvidia-376 to nvidia-340xx?
919 [09:15:52] <robert__> so tired of endless googling and unable to get this working. so many reboots. so many copy pastes.
920 [09:17:23] <jelly> robert__: which debian release?
921 [09:17:50] <robert__> Kali 2, which I have modified some sources file to act as 16.04
922 [09:18:03] <tx> So, not debian?
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924 [09:18:19] <jelly> !kali
925 [09:18:20] <dpkg> Kali Linux (replaced-url
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929 [09:20:50] <jelly> robert__: can you reproduce the issue on an actual Debian installation? Debian 8 has 340.x as default nvidia-driver
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931 [09:21:18] <jelly> ,v nvidia-driver
932 [09:21:19] <judd> Package: nvidia-driver on amd64 -- wheezy-backports/non-free: 340.102-1~bpo70+1; jessie/non-free: 340.102-1; jessie-backports/non-free: 375.39-1~bpo8+1; stretch/non-free: 375.39-1; sid/non-free: 375.39-1
933 [09:21:22] <robert__> Right now the issue is that I don't know how to install jockey-gtk or jockey-text so I can switch from 376 to 340
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935 [09:21:40] <robert__> also I guess I am not on the right freenode server, since I don't really see a #kali-linux channel
936 [09:21:50] <jelly> you're on freenode alright
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938 [09:22:13] <robert__> i really need to learn more about how drivers work under the hood
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940 [09:22:40] <robert__> i can't be crying everytime I want to mess around with compiling GPU miners and stuff.
941 [09:22:52] <robert__> i would be even happy with some reading material on that.
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943 [09:23:01] <robert__> I just need to empower myself, because this feeling is crippling.
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945 [09:23:04] <jelly> however, that channel is +r which means you need to have a registered NickServ account to join it
946 [09:23:25] <robert__> ive registered, i just don't remember the password before.
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949 [09:23:58] <jelly> then remember it, or change it. /msg NickServ help
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954 [09:26:03] <robert__> okay, let me compose myself a little. and lets time travel way back to the a debian question. How are drivers managed? Where can I read about these systems?
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958 [09:26:45] <robert__> I never want to be copy pasting things again and immediately forgetting the solution afterwards.
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960 [09:26:57] <robert__> I need to understand how it works, so I can solve it on my own.
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963 [09:27:59] <robert__> maybe a book? pdf? Something written by the creator, RIP?
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966 [09:28:31] <robert__> So that I can have reference material that will teach me, instead helplessly googling and begging for help.
967 [09:28:41] <robert__> Just a recommendation on how to level up.
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974 [09:32:09] <qyyduii> Hi everyone! I just installed debian-stable but I don't have the GPU drivers -- when i tried a debian-unstable derivative the GPU drivers were there, does that mean that i should switch to unstable?
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977 [09:32:57] <tx> You just need to use the package manager to install the GPU drivers for your vendor.
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979 [09:33:02] <tx> on stable
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981 [09:33:52] <qyyduii> they aren't available i have a Radeon 4530 mobile
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990 [09:36:16] <tx> qyyduii: for the proprietary drivers you will need to add "non-free" to your sources.list file at the end of your debian repo line(s)
991 [09:36:29] <tx> OR
992 [09:36:35] <tx> use the free radeon driver, I'd give that a go first.
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994 [09:37:02] <tx> Just checking device support for the free one...
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996 [09:38:57] <tx> Seems like it only supports 7xxx and up.. hm.
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999 [09:39:18] <tx> May need to use the non-free one then (I think the older versions may not be compatible with newer releases of xorg)
1000 [09:39:33] <robert__> robert__ already has a password change key outstanding.
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1002 [09:39:47] <robert__> not my day.
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1004 [09:41:09] <qyyduii> tx. "The AMD Catalyst Legacy driver - supporting the Radeon HD 2000/3000/4000 series - is not available for Debian 8 "Jessie", as upstream has not updated the driver for newer Xorg releases"
1005 [09:41:18] <qyyduii> replaced-url
1006 [09:41:44] <jelly> qyyduii: what does the "lspci -nn" line for your card look like?
1007 [09:41:45] <qyyduii> :/
1008 [09:42:17] <jelly> robert__: not your day to read email, or not your day to pick a different nickname?
1009 [09:42:20] <qyyduii> jelly. 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] RV710/M92 [Mobility Radeon HD 4530/4570/545v] [1002:9553]
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1012 [09:43:37] <jelly> qyyduii: get kernel from jessie-backports
1013 [09:43:40] <jelly> /lib/modules/4.9.0-2-amd64/modules.alias:alias pci:v00001002d00009553sv*sd*bc*sc*i* radeon
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1015 [09:44:04] <jelly> stretch seems to have _some_ support in free drivers for 1002:9553
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1017 [09:44:34] <jelly> so that means the update bdo kernel will have some as well
1018 [09:44:58] <qyyduii> jelly: sorry for being a noob but what does "from jessie-backports" mean?
1019 [09:44:59] <jelly> dpkg, tell qyyduii about bdo kernel
1020 [09:45:05] <jelly> dpkg, tell qyyduii about jessie-backports
1021 [09:45:12] <qyyduii> thanks
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1025 [09:45:48] <jelly> if your (other) hardware requires firmware, you'll need to upgrade that to jessie-backports as well
1026 [09:45:54] <qyyduii> will try and be back
1027 [09:46:07] <jelly> ,v xserver-xorg-video-radeon
1028 [09:46:08] <judd> Package: xserver-xorg-video-radeon on amd64 -- wheezy: 1:6.14.4-8; jessie: 1:7.5.0-1; jessie-backports: 1:7.8.0-1~bpo8+1; stretch: 1:7.8.0-1+b1; sid: 1:7.8.0-1+b1
1029 [09:46:16] <jelly> possibly that one as well
1030 [09:46:24] <spinNspiral> dpkg, tell spinNspiral about bdo kernel
1031 [09:46:51] <jelly> asking the bot about stuff works as well, /msg dpkg stuff
1032 [09:47:14] <tx> qyyduii: is it in backports?
1033 [09:47:21] <tx> er, oops, already mentioned :)
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1037 [09:50:55] <qyyduii> i'm now in the process of switching to testing, can i add the line jessie backport after?
1038 [09:51:59] <towo^work> in stretch will never be jessie-backports
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1040 [09:52:02] <tx> stick with your distro release stream
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1043 [09:52:12] <tx> don't pick and choose
1044 [09:52:24] <tx> You might end up with broken packages.
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1106 [10:25:56] <folivora> Hi, i need to use rest of the available space on my disk. Is this right syntax? part raid.0006 --size 1 --grow --ondrive=sdb
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1108 [10:28:14] <x0n> hI!
1109 [10:28:19] <x0n> :D
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1111 [10:29:07] <frazr> herlo
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1131 [10:38:47] <celyr> folivora, I would say no
1132 [10:38:56] <celyr> folivora, but depends on your system
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1134 [10:40:15] <jubo2> I am retireing a server for recycling into hypervisor just to get a new clean fresh one
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1136 [10:40:37] <jubo2> I dunno if this is wise. The server is fine. no problems since installation
1137 [10:41:03] <jubo2> I'd be replacing a well working though a little filled up Debian 8 with a new Debian 8
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1140 [10:41:52] <jubo2> part of the logic is that reinstall gets rid of many types of got rooted situations.. if you do it consistently some of them will not be imaginary in a lifetiem
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1152 [10:51:42] <dob1> hi, i have a wheezy installation, i would like to update to jessie. I read some documentation but i don't understand what will happen to custom scripts in /etc/init.d/ linked in rc2.d for example
1153 [10:52:01] <dob1> they will continue to work? i have to modify them?
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1161 [10:56:54] <jubo2> Uptine 204 d
1162 [10:57:17] <jubo2> I could totally keep this server and use it for development
1163 [10:57:37] <jubo2> but something says to scrap it and get a new one with new sudoable passwd
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1165 [10:58:43] <jubo2> When is nine coming out?
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1170 [11:00:02] <jelly> !wwsr
1171 [11:00:02] <dpkg> Well... it's starting to get distinctly chilly... Debian 9 "Stretch" will probably release in mid-2017. It will release sooner if you help fix bugs in stretch and sid... take that as a challenge. Ask me about <stretch freeze>, <how-can-i-help> replaced-url
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1175 [11:00:46] <jelly> dob1: in general, they will continue to work if they have valid LSB headers
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1177 [11:01:09] <jelly> dob1: if unsure, you can keep using sysvinit
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1179 [11:01:39] <jelly> try it in a test environment if unsure
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1182 [11:03:42] <dob1> jelly, this seems valid LSB headers, right ? replaced-url
1183 [11:04:15] <jelly> dob1: yeah, that looks fine
1184 [11:04:42] <jelly> systemd ought to work in LSB compability mode with init scripts like that
1185 [11:04:54] * jelly can't type today
1186 [11:05:31] <jelly> dob1: for starters you ought to read the release notes in any case
1187 [11:05:35] <jelly> !jessie release notes
1188 [11:05:35] <dpkg> Release notes for Debian 8 "Jessie" are at replaced-url
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1273 [11:40:26] <bipul> What is the use of debconf-utils ?
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1283 [11:43:33] <babilen> bipul: Why do you ask? What's the context? Are you familiar with debconf and its use in Debian?
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1288 [11:44:43] <bipul> babilen, I am writing a script in python for debian distribution.
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1290 [11:45:37] <bipul> And i my python script will automate the LAMP task, but for the configuration, i think i need to know about replaced-url
1291 [11:45:47] <bipul> And my*
1292 [11:46:20] <babilen> Wouldn't using a tool like SaltStack or Ansible be more appropriate there?
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1294 [11:47:09] <bipul> if you write your own things, it will help you to understand the mechanism. :)
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1318 [12:01:49] <fbaca> any idea how I can preload the AHCI kernel module when I am netbooting the installer? I have one USB hard drive and one M2 SSD. When the USB drive is plugged in the installer will not detect any M2 SSD because it does not load the AHCI module. The moment I run modprobe AHCI I can see the SSD drive. If I boot the installer with the USB drive unplugeed the SSD
1319 [12:01:49] <fbaca> is correctly detected.
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1324 [12:02:28] <BluesKaj> howdy folks
1325 [12:02:34] <LINUX-NEW> hi guys anyone can help me with vsfptd ?
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1349 [12:14:14] <OtakuSenpai> yesterday i downloaded runescape and then today when i try to run it
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1352 [12:14:47] <OtakuSenpai> it waits/hangs on the "Loading application" step at 97%
1353 [12:14:53] <OtakuSenpai> what is going on?
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1381 [12:33:04] <OtakuSenpai> guys anyone help me?
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1387 [12:36:18] <MoonKid> sorry, wrong language. :D
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1389 [12:36:37] <MoonKid> Ah I found a mirror for tails. Hope the download will work.
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1393 [12:37:48] <OtakuSenpai> anyone can tell me why this runescape app is not running?
1394 [12:38:26] <Vizva> <MoonKid>
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1396 [12:38:34] <Vizva> vielleicht geht es auch über opera
1397 [12:39:05] <OtakuSenpai> guys?
1398 [12:39:29] <hyure> hmmm i switched to testing and upgraded but i still dont have those gpu drivers
1399 [12:39:42] <hyure> should i switch to sid now?
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1401 [12:40:10] <crash_> sid is pretty frozen at the moment beacuse of the stretch freeze
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1423 [12:48:17] <towo^work> hyure, "those gpu drivers" should be what?
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1431 [12:52:45] <hyure> towo^work 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] RV710/M92 [Mobility Radeon HD 4530/4570/545v] [1002:9553]
1432 [12:53:11] <towo^work> you allwways have the drivers, radeon
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1434 [12:53:31] <towo^work> you need firmware-linux-nonfree for correct working
1435 [12:53:49] <hyure> towo^work but they aren't there
1436 [12:53:57] <towo^work> sure thay are
1437 [12:53:58] <hyure> The AMD Catalyst Legacy driver - supporting the Radeon HD 2000/3000/4000 series - is not available for Debian 8 "Jessie", as upstream has not updated the driver for newer Xorg releases
1438 [12:54:07] <hyure> replaced-url
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1440 [12:54:12] <towo^work> fglrx is dead
1441 [12:54:24] <towo^work> you want the free radeon
1442 [12:54:42] <hyure> however i tested a debian derivative (subgraph) and it actually worked
1443 [12:54:49] <towo^work> and for them, you need firmware-linux-nonfree, or firmware-amd-graphics
1444 [12:54:54] <hyure> - i.e. the drivers
1445 [12:55:00] <towo^work> again, fglrx is dead
1446 [12:55:03] <towo^work> period
1447 [12:55:46] <hyure> ok will try hope it works
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1450 [12:56:44] <hyure> The radeon driver in Debian 8 "Jessie" supports R100 to Hawaii (Radeon 7000 - Radeon R9 290) GPUs.
1451 [12:56:54] <hyure> replaced-url
1452 [12:57:14] <hyure> no 4350 :[
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1454 [12:57:32] <towo^work> sure, 4350 is supported, since ages
1455 [12:57:59] <hyure> so i install xserver-xorg-video-ati ?
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1457 [12:58:38] <towo^work> normaly xserver-xorg-video-ati comes preinstalled, if not, yes
1458 [12:58:38] <hyure> and firmware-linux-nonfree ?
1459 [12:58:49] <towo^work> and again, you need at minimum firmware-amd-graphics
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1461 [12:59:08] <towo^work> and stretch support is in #debian-next on oftc network
1462 [12:59:33] <hyure> ok will go there
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1464 [13:00:12] <hyure> thanks
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1484 [13:07:51] <OtakuSenpai> jelly: hey do you mind a conversation?
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1553 [13:51:16] <OtakuSenpai> why the fuck doesnt it work MAN!!!
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1559 [13:52:52] <andre144k> someone knows how to restart a "usersession" inside vnc-viewer/vnc-server when i logged out xorg-session as user?
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1564 [13:56:37] <OtakuSenpai> ,v runescape
1565 [13:56:50] <OtakuSenpai> ,v runescape
1566 [13:56:59] <judd> Package: runescape on amd64 -- sid/non-free: 0.1-4; stretch/non-free: 0.1-4
1567 [13:57:00] <judd> Package: runescape on amd64 -- sid/non-free: 0.1-4; stretch/non-free: 0.1-4
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1569 [13:57:53] <OtakuSenpai> fuck it man
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1572 [13:59:11] <OtakuSenpai> anyone help me
1573 [13:59:23] <OtakuSenpai> its been like this for a FUCKING 3 hours
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1582 [14:01:36] <Eryn_1983_FL> whats gooing on?
1583 [14:02:10] <Eryn_1983_FL> runescape?
1584 [14:02:19] <OtakuSenpai> i cant run runescape on debian stretch/sid
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1586 [14:02:33] <Eryn_1983_FL> whats the error you are getting?
1587 [14:02:37] <teraflops> someone needs an infusion of lime
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1591 [14:03:11] <OtakuSenpai> no error.just tht it hangs on the Loading applications part at 97%
1592 [14:03:19] <OtakuSenpai> for a fucking 3 hours
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1595 [14:03:33] <Eryn_1983_FL> mmm
1596 [14:04:07] <Eryn_1983_FL> well why dont u got well at the creators for runscape app..
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1599 [14:04:22] <Eryn_1983_FL> cause we are debian here and support anything but that.
1600 [14:04:28] <teraflops> !testing
1601 [14:04:29] <dpkg> Testing is a continuously updated release between <stable> and <unstable>, currently codenamed <stretch>. See replaced-url
1602 [14:04:49] <Eryn_1983_FL> oh yeah and that ^
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1605 [14:05:29] <teraflops> there's a shorter factoid but I don't remember it
1606 [14:05:34] <Eryn_1983_FL> haha
1607 [14:06:54] <teraflops> OtakuSenpai: try asking in server/channel the factoid pointed to
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1611 [14:08:50] <babilen> And also debug what it is doing (e.g. strace, ...)
1612 [14:09:06] <babilen> Ah, non-free .. can't be arsed
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1619 [14:12:29] <OtakuSenpai> babilen: teraflops i found the error
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1625 [14:13:46] <teraflops> see? we help you after all... moral suport
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1630 [14:15:05] <OtakuSenpai> teraflops: replaced-url
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1632 [14:15:19] <OtakuSenpai> can you tell me where i can contact the developers?
1633 [14:15:39] <teraflops> i have no idea
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1641 [14:17:37] <altyr> OtakuSenpai: emailing jagex might work. it's a non-free program so nobody here will be able to fix it
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1643 [14:17:54] <OtakuSenpai> hmm
1644 [14:18:22] <altyr> you can try the official launcher from their website to see if there's any difference to the package in the debian repo
1645 [14:18:27] <OtakuSenpai> teraflops: altyr what about Planeshift...is there a deb for tht?
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1647 [14:19:37] <OtakuSenpai> its a free game and i tried their intaller a few days ago
1648 [14:19:43] <OtakuSenpai> but its crappy
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1651 [14:21:35] <altyr> OtakuSenpai: "apt search planeshift" and google are much faster than me
1652 [14:22:10] <OtakuSenpai> ok
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1658 [14:26:08] <altyr> OtakuSenpai: if you're looking for games in general the games-finest task contains a number of games included with debian. you can also install steam from the debian repos
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1664 [14:27:25] <OtakuSenpai> altyr: ok ill see tht
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1673 [14:30:58] <jonathan_x> question: I have a sparse file that I know for a fact contains about 900MB of real data. But when I copy it with cp --sparse=always only some 29MB of that remains in du -h
1674 [14:31:04] <jonathan_x> how can that be?
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1689 [14:40:53] <jonathan_x> meanwhile dd goes through the list of uallocated space at 636MB/s.... probably converting it to zeroes before making it sparse again.
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1693 [14:42:19] <jonathan_x> thus far my "sparse experience" has been rather sparse ;-).
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1695 [14:42:41] <jonathan_x> as in close to impossible...
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1699 [14:44:05] <klacek> du -h --apparent-size
1700 [14:44:18] <klacek> shows the expected 600mb?
1701 [14:44:21] <jonathan_x> the apparent size is much bigger
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1704 [14:44:26] <jonathan_x> 2TB
1705 [14:44:49] <klacek> only the 'i know for a cadt' thing could be fishy here imho
1706 [14:44:49] <klacek> :D
1707 [14:44:57] <klacek> *fact
1708 [14:45:03] <jonathan_x> it is an image of a root filesystem
1709 [14:46:00] <klacek> apparent size on the replica?
1710 [14:46:03] <jonathan_x> it really cannot have less than the amount of data put in there besides du -hcs shows the original image as having 900MB
1711 [14:46:04] <klacek> 2tb?
1712 [14:46:13] <jonathan_x> yes of course.
1713 [14:46:19] <klacek> ... glhf
1714 [14:46:20] <klacek> :)
1715 [14:46:31] <jonathan_x> 2tb disk, root partition is 4gb
1716 [14:46:40] <jonathan_x> and contains about 700MB of data I think.
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1718 [14:46:52] <jonathan_x> a little more
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1724 [14:48:09] <klacek> cp without sparse=always doesn't work as expected?
1725 [14:48:29] <jonathan_x> the original image is fine, but cp takes 3 seconds to copy it, and ... idk really :p.
1726 [14:48:48] <jonathan_x> dd takes like 15 minutes to copy 2tb of empty. :p.
1727 [14:49:08] <klacek> 3 seconds seems legit for me copying ~ 600mb
1728 [14:49:13] <jonathan_x> not on this system
1729 [14:49:45] <jonathan_x> unless it is read from cache and written to cache
1730 [14:49:45] <dob1> what is a sparse file?
1731 [14:49:53] <jonathan_x> a file with holes in it that are not allocated.
1732 [14:50:02] <jonathan_x> and that would read as zeroes
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1734 [14:50:12] <dob1> why you have a file like this?
1735 [14:50:14] <jonathan_x> without being read
1736 [14:50:24] <jonathan_x> it's a good way to make images of mostly empty disks :p
1737 [14:50:37] <jonathan_x> so the image doesn't cost 2tb but only 900MB on disk.
1738 [14:50:53] <dob1> ah ok, got it dd if=/dev/zero of=foo, like this =?
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1742 [14:51:06] <klacek> yes
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1744 [14:51:16] <dob1> ok thanks
1745 [14:51:17] <jonathan_x> that would happen for the holes.
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1751 [14:53:07] <TandyUK> hey guys having i think a permissions issue trying to setup a user for remote backups onto one of my systems
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1754 [14:53:45] <TandyUK> we have a structure /data (owned by root:management), /data/backups (the same) and /data/backups/customer, whcih is owned by the new accoutn i just created for $user
1755 [14:54:18] <TandyUK> /etc/passwd lists it correctly, but when logging in (using su - user), i get "No directory, logging in with HOME=/"
1756 [14:54:27] <TandyUK> any suggestions what to check?
1757 [14:54:39] <jonathan_x> whether the user has execute and read permissions on the upper directories.
1758 [14:54:53] <jonathan_x> particularly execute I think.
1759 [14:55:00] <TandyUK> ah the user isnt in management, an theyre not world reald/executable
1760 [14:55:15] <jonathan_x> then they cannot traverse to that directory.
1761 [14:55:24] <TandyUK> hmm ok, need to rethink this structure then
1762 [14:55:31] <jonathan_x> ok, roger.
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1765 [14:56:30] <jonathan_x> you only need execute
1766 [14:56:42] <jonathan_x> it would leave the upper dirs unreadable, but you can get through them.
1767 [14:57:07] <bezaban> which could be handy for hiding customers from each other
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1769 [14:57:38] <jonathan_x> @ TandyUK
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1771 [14:59:02] <TandyUK> yeah thats the goal, but while also having our management easily able to get the $customer backups
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1773 [14:59:20] <jonathan_x> lol cp without --sparse=always did copy it normally :p. Thanks.
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1775 [14:59:41] <every55bad> hi
1776 [14:59:42] <every55bad> my cpu seems to always be at more than 10% usage even at idle
1777 [14:59:51] <every55bad> wonder what the issue may be here
1778 [15:00:01] <every55bad> it's due to xorg and gnome shell
1779 [15:00:12] <jelly> didn't you just ask the same thing in #debian-next
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1781 [15:00:53] <jelly> no, it was 20 minutes ago. Alright then
1782 [15:01:02] <TandyUK> ah sorted :)
1783 [15:01:31] <jonathan_x> TandyUK: so if you make the directories world traversable but not readable, and you make the customer directory not world readable nor traversable, you have what you want right.
1784 [15:01:38] <bezaban> TandyUK: should be fine with 771 (or 775) on the upper directories, but there are more fine grained ACLs possible with setfacl
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1787 [15:02:07] <bezaban> or redesign :)
1788 [15:02:38] <TandyUK> generally world has no rights at all
1789 [15:02:47] <bezaban> I agree to that approach
1790 [15:02:58] <TandyUK> so ive just added o+x to the /data and /data/backups folders
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1792 [15:03:27] <bezaban> with 771 you should only navigate there, and the actual customer data domain can restrict listing of contents
1793 [15:03:37] <bezaban> s/domain/folder/
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1800 [15:06:59] <ForceRecon> how can you tell which hardware is associated with which wireless network
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1803 [15:08:59] <jelly> ForceRecon: lspci -k will show you which pci card uses which kernel module (driver)
1804 [15:10:05] <bezaban> iwconfig should show more details about each connected network
1805 [15:10:09] <jer0me> hey there, I have some weird "hard reboot when idle" issues on my thinkpad x220, where my laptop would hard reboot itself when idling for some time. Ever heard of something like that?
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1825 [15:16:31] <jer0me> jonathan_x: weird indeed. The battery is brand new and the laptop is connectet to AC, the BIOS is up to date.
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1827 [15:16:46] <jer0me> Let's try to disable the shutdown stuff.
1828 [15:17:52] <jonathan_x> bit annoying you only find these things after you buy something ;-).
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1835 [15:20:31] <aypea[1]> hey folks. is there a boot paramater to tell initramfs to drop me to shell /before/ mounting rootfs?
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1848 [15:25:04] <rjsalts> aypea[1]: you could do root=/nonexistent and it will fail to mount and drop you into busybox
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1851 [15:27:36] <aypea[1]> rjsalts: a plan most-cunning. I like it. :)
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1855 [15:28:35] <jer0me> jonathan_x: I don't know how to diagnose this issue further though.
1856 [15:28:54] <jer0me> jonathan_x: there is actually no workaround in this post :(
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1860 [15:30:22] <TandyUK> jer0me: do the logs actually indicate it is rebooting, could be some hardware issue causing it to reset, rather than reboot
1861 [15:31:05] <jer0me> TandyUK: I can't find anything relevant in the logs :( I ram memtest for a couple hours this weekend.
1862 [15:31:43] <Hyp3ri0n> i was away to watch TV,and when i came back i found my user login space in gdm to continuously show "failed to login"
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1864 [15:32:30] <TandyUK> well first id suggest running memtest overnight
1865 [15:32:36] <Cl0udN9ne> how can i see what ip was trying to login to my user?
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1873 [15:36:46] <donofrio> so question if you're locked into a chroot directory say /app for middleware services like apache, jboss, tomcat, etc, (openssl, curl, php) what do I do to keep chrooted apps as near to git'versioned as possable. What I mean is we have linux folks that run out vm's but they do not install or what version they install on os is just for os to use and probably nor the newest version, so we've been compiling like peasants and want to be
1874 [15:36:46] <donofrio> able to use a package mangement mindset inside of the chrooted /app directory
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1883 [15:41:04] <Cl0udN9ne> i changed my password to something else
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1885 [15:41:28] <Cl0udN9ne> but caan i get help as to see which ip was trying to access my computer?
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1902 [15:50:24] <jolt> donofrio: I would use docker or lxc containers for that stuff. Then they can install bleeding edge stuff, while you still retain some sanity. Not that docker have it's own issues, but atleast the apps are containerized.
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1918 [15:54:39] <rocketmagnet> hey there, i've a short question: how on earth can add a custom command to an lxpanel ? i only get a list with the .desktop files for the system but i can't find an entry to add a custom command that can be started with the lxpanel :(
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1920 [15:55:10] <donofrio> jolt, but these are all built from git and such, it's almost like we need a emerge logic to the chrooted jail....
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1931 [15:58:44] <jolt> donofrio: This is not about debian really, but we build our docker images automatically by pulling from repos and then deploying on servers automatically with ansible.
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1938 [16:03:57] <Iridos> rocketmagnet, "application launch bar" settings?
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1943 [16:07:08] <Iridos> if you're talking about ~/.config/lxpanel/LXDE/panels
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1946 [16:07:23] <rocketmagnet> Iridos: i've a "Panel settings" window where i can spaces, apps from the .desktop list but i find nothing like "custom command"
1947 [16:07:32] <Iridos> yeah, I guess those are kind of internal mappings to whatever
1948 [16:08:13] <Iridos> rocketmagnet, I just added those to the context menu editing .config/openbox/menu.xml
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1950 [16:08:57] <rocketmagnet> i just have the folder, the menu.xml file is missig
1951 [16:09:03] <rocketmagnet> i'm on jessie here
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1954 [16:09:30] <rocketmagnet> do i realy need to create a custom .desktop file for every different variant want an icon for ???
1955 [16:09:37] <Iridos> oh, you probably want lxde-rc.xml
1956 [16:09:40] <Iridos> or so
1957 [16:09:49] <rocketmagnet> this file is here
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1960 [16:10:14] <Iridos> not sure which is the active one… but by default lxde uses openbox as a DE
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1962 [16:10:33] <Iridos> and that file changes the context menue that you get when you right-click anywhere on the background
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1965 [16:10:45] <Iridos> and no idea how that panel works
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1967 [16:11:23] <rocketmagnet> Iridos: but i see no other example of how to add my custom app (also own icon is important)
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1971 [16:13:47] <Iridos> hm, seems so
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1973 [16:14:03] <Iridos> and the .desktop files that the panel references are in /var/lib/menu-xdg/applications/menu-xdg/
1974 [16:14:11] <Cl0udN9ne> Iridos: can you help me?
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1977 [16:14:37] <Cl0udN9ne> i was away to watch TV,and when i came back i found my user login space in gdm to continuously show "failed to login"
1978 [16:14:51] <Cl0udN9ne> how can i see what ip was trying to login to my user?
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1980 [16:15:00] <Cl0udN9ne> i changed my password to something else
1981 [16:15:08] <Cl0udN9ne> but caan i get help as to see which ip was trying to access my computer?
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1984 [16:15:53] <Iridos> sounds more like someone tried to log on locally… where exactly did you see the message
1985 [16:16:15] <Cl0udN9ne> in the gdm user login screen
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1987 [16:16:31] <Cl0udN9ne> nobody could touch my computer at home
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1998 [16:18:49] <donofrio> jolt, yes we use ansable as well ;)
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2011 [16:22:26] <charlie_> Is there a simple way to have ‘hdparm -y /dev/sda2’ run on shutdown or reboot?
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2013 [16:23:16] <Iridos> your cat could have hit "enter" which would have been sufficient
2014 [16:24:13] <Iridos> charlie_, that doesn't make sense
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2029 [16:31:08] <Iridos> and on normal home setups you'd be behind a nat and nobody could access the machine from remote either
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2038 [16:34:34] <Iridos> and if you're not behind a nat, you'd still need to have /etc/gdm3/daemon.conf with something in the xdmcp section to allow for remote logins
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2042 [16:35:17] <Hyp3ri0n> Iridos: i got logged out due to network issues
2043 [16:35:25] <charlie_> Iridos: it’s a command to spindown my usb drive before the power is cut to it.
2044 [16:35:37] <Hyp3ri0n> how can i ban the ip which was trying to log into my system?
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2046 [16:35:40] <charlie_> I want to run that before the machine restarts
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2054 [16:37:08] <TvL2386> charlie_: how about you create a systemd service or something that does that?
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2058 [16:38:14] <TvL2386> charlie_: and btw: doesn't the drive automatically spin up when something is mounting it or trying to access data? So you only have to bring it down on system halt/reboot
2059 [16:38:47] <charlie_> TvL2386: yeah, just spin down I need to worry about
2060 [16:39:09] <charlie_> I’ll have a look at what you suggested, thanks
2061 [16:39:36] <Iridos> charlie_, yes, I know, but ACPI should shut it down as part of the poweroff event. And it doesn't make sense to shut it down for a reboot anyway, because a reboot starts reading for it again immediately
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2065 [16:40:32] <TvL2386> charlie_: yeah and you have to make sure that the spin down is the last thing that does something with the disk, otherwise it may spin up again
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2067 [16:40:45] <charlie_> It’s plugged into a raspberry pi and its making this awful click sound when the power cuts to it for reboot the same as if I yank the cable out while its in use.
2068 [16:41:19] <charlie_> If I reboot my mac for example that correctly ejects the drive and puts it to standby before cycling the power.
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2070 [16:41:29] <charlie_> That’s why I’m trying to do it manually.
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2072 [16:41:42] <Iridos> oh, if it's external, that'd work… if you unmount it and it doesn't have /
2073 [16:41:47] <TvL2386> charlie_: maybe it's better do do 'hdparm -S <number> <dev>'... This causes the drive to spin down after a timeout (read the man page, it's not seconds) and execute this on systemd service stop.... On systemd service start you disable this again
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2077 [16:42:06] <charlie_> Yeah thats the command I was looking at and it works when I run it manually.
2078 [16:42:21] <charlie_> I want it to be run at reboot or shutdown though automatically.
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2080 [16:42:31] <charlie_> Sorry if I wasnt clear.
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2089 [16:45:17] <missmbob> add it to cron
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2091 [16:45:49] <Hyp3ri0n> Iridos: can you help me bro?
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2093 [16:45:54] <Hyp3ri0n> how can i ban the ip which was trying to log into my system?
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2096 [16:46:25] <TvL2386> Hyp3ri0n: "log into my system" you mean ssh into my system?
2097 [16:46:36] <TvL2386> Hyp3ri0n: in that case: fail2ban
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2100 [16:47:06] <TvL2386> or.... sudo iptables -I INPUT -s $ASSHOLE_IP -p tcp --dport 22 -j DROP
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2117 [16:50:44] <Hyp3ri0n> TvL2386: someone was trying to log into my user account which i noticed through multiple failed to login attempts at
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2120 [16:51:24] <wr> icecat browser not on debian repos?
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2124 [16:52:45] <altyr> ,v icecat
2125 [16:52:46] <judd> No package named 'icecat' was found in amd64.
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2135 [16:54:48] <at0m> Hyp3ri0n: have a look at fail2ban
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2137 [16:55:04] <Hyp3ri0n> ok
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2139 [16:55:54] <TvL2386> yup.... f2b like I said and the quick fix if you're worried: the iptables drop I just gave
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2142 [16:56:43] <Iridos> charlie_, look at replaced-url
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2144 [16:56:50] <Iridos> "ejecting" a usb disk should spin it down
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2147 [16:57:19] <Iridos> (you probably should try that on your disk using the "eject" command before trying to automate it)
2148 [16:57:47] <Iridos> or rather replaced-url
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2151 [16:58:57] <Iridos> or just copy the systemd blarb and use hdparm -y
2152 [16:59:14] <tanay> how to install latest version of any software in a debian based distro-ustable
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2156 [16:59:45] <Iridos> however that distro did or did not implement such a thing
2157 [17:00:26] <TvL2386> tanay: apt-get dist-upgrade ?
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2160 [17:01:09] <tanay> hmm. i am on deepin 15.4..... debian based.
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2171 [17:05:59] <at0m> !debian-based
2172 [17:05:59] <dpkg> Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare replaced-url
2173 [17:06:10] <Iridos> you'll have to ask them. We only answer questions on debian
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2176 [17:06:33] <Iridos> if only for the reason that there are about a gazillion distributions based on debian
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2178 [17:07:13] <tanay> ok thanks!
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2182 [17:08:00] <tanay> is there any way to add repository to debian based systems ?
2183 [17:08:05] <Iridos> funnily I can't even find out where to ask
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2185 [17:09:28] <altyr> Iridos: it's chinese
2186 [17:09:48] <altyr> so if you don't speak chinese it might be tricky
2187 [17:09:48] <Iridos> yes, I figured that much out… and it's at replaced-url
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2195 [17:11:34] <Iridos> possibly replaced-url
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2199 [17:13:25] <altyr> how does one teach dpkg about new things? might be handy to have it know about deepin as we've had multiple questions recently
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2206 [17:16:01] <x032cx> !deepin
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2208 [17:16:41] <Iridos> dpkg, deepin is <reply> deepin is a chinese distribution <based on debian>. It is not supported on #debian. Try their forums at replaced-url
2209 [17:16:42] <dpkg> Iridos: okay
2210 [17:16:46] <Iridos> dpkg, deepin
2211 [17:16:46] <dpkg> deepin is a chinese distribution <based on debian>. It is not supported on #debian. Try their forums at replaced-url
2212 [17:17:01] <Iridos> dpkg, ~= s/chinese/Chinese/
2213 [17:17:01] <dpkg> Iridos: are you using Windows?
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2217 [17:17:10] <Iridos> dpkg, =~ s/chinese/Chinese/
2218 [17:17:10] <dpkg> parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, Iridos
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2220 [17:17:13] <Iridos> meh
2221 [17:17:21] <Iridos> dpkg, deepin ~= s/chinese/Chinese/
2222 [17:17:22] <dpkg> wish i knew, Iridos
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2224 [17:17:32] <Iridos> dpkg, deepin =~ s/chinese/Chinese/
2225 [17:17:32] <dpkg> Iridos: OK
2226 [17:17:37] <Iridos> holy fuck
2227 [17:17:47] <x032cx> !deepin
2228 [17:17:48] <dpkg> deepin is a Chinese distribution <based on debian>. It is not supported on #debian. Try their forums at replaced-url
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2230 [17:18:08] <altyr> that should do
2231 [17:18:18] <Iridos> how is it I can never get that right, despite it being the same as in perl
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2233 [17:18:50] <tanay> who is dpkg? a bot?
2234 [17:18:54] <altyr> maybe it's because it's like perl?
2235 [17:18:57] <altyr> tanay: yes
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2237 [17:19:05] <tanay> wao..... :)
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2241 [17:20:51] <altyr> !beer tanay
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2260 [17:29:32] <jelly> dpkg: listvals deepin
2261 [17:29:34] <dpkg> Factoid search of 'deepin' by value (1): deepin.
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2325 [18:02:20] <nafetsreuab> hi, after latest security updates for mariadb (installed with apt-get dist-upgrade), package mariadb-server-10.0 is in state iF and upgrade process was not successful, how can i fix this? replaced-url
2326 [18:03:20] <somiaj> nafetsreuab: you are in a half-configured state, first try, dpkg --configure -a
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2329 [18:03:55] <nafetsreuab> somiaj: i did, see paste log, its stall
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2332 [18:04:39] <somiaj> that log does not give me the output of dpkg --configure -a
2333 [18:05:34] <jelly> nafetsreuab: are you still logged in on pts/1 somewhere (screen, tmux)?
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2335 [18:06:04] <nafetsreuab> no, its after a restart of the server
2336 [18:06:24] <jelly> are you SURE you actually restarted the server?
2337 [18:07:14] <jelly> that ps output suggests it was not restarted since last apt run.
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2344 [18:10:22] <jelly> nafetsreuab: kill (but not with -9) any dpkg processes, then run "dpkg --configure -a" inside script -f, then if/when it hangs again, pastebin the contents of the log (file named typescript by default)
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2352 [18:12:59] <nafetsreuab> jelly: what is this inside script -f part?
2353 [18:13:12] <nafetsreuab> i dont get it, is output of px aus enough?
2354 [18:14:03] <nafetsreuab> replaced-url
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2358 [18:14:38] <Iridos> dunno… is the output of ps telling you what's happening and what you have to do?
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2362 [18:15:03] <jelly> nafetsreuab: so dpkg --configure -a says just that one line?
2363 [18:15:10] <nafetsreuab> correct
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2365 [18:15:36] <jelly> nafetsreuab: does it react to Ctrl-C ?
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2370 [18:16:13] <nafetsreuab> replaced-url
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2375 [18:17:25] <jelly> nafetsreuab: okay, now try to figure where it hangs. run again, and instead of ctrl-c do a ctrl-z
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2377 [18:17:44] <nafetsreuab> done
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2379 [18:17:45] <jelly> nafetsreuab: then look up the dpkg pid, "jobs -p"
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2381 [18:18:10] <jelly> then pastebin the output of pstree -Apa PID-OF-DPKG-HERE
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2383 [18:19:00] <nafetsreuab> replaced-url
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2387 [18:19:52] <jelly> nafetsreuab: okay... seems like it's doing something.
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2389 [18:20:29] <jelly> > DESCRIPTION mysql_install_db initializes the MySQL data directory and creates the system tables that it contains, if they do not exist.
2390 [18:21:10] <jelly> nafetsreuab: put it back into foreground and let it finish, I guess. "fg"
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2392 [18:21:48] <jelly> nafetsreuab: what's the longest you waited before deciding it's hung?
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2394 [18:22:12] <nafetsreuab> a few minutes, top is not showing any load or i/o
2395 [18:22:21] <setup> HELLO!
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2397 [18:22:29] <setup> do ytou use windows 7?
2398 [18:22:46] <jelly> nafetsreuab: yeah, that's slightly suspicious
2399 [18:22:56] <setup> IKR
2400 [18:22:58] <Iridos> top won't show i/o
2401 [18:23:00] <jelly> setup: some people in ##windows channel probably do.
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2403 [18:23:13] <jelly> atop will show i/o
2404 [18:23:36] <nafetsreuab> no easy way to install it atm
2405 [18:23:49] <setup> ATM run WINDOWS XP
2406 [18:23:53] <Iridos> so will iotop
2407 [18:24:00] <setup> @Jelly
2408 [18:24:06] <setup> but some do dualboot
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2410 [18:24:46] <jelly> setup: that is not relevant for a place where Debian-specific issues are discussed
2411 [18:25:49] <setup> But, it is. Dual booting is specific to all OS that is install
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2413 [18:25:57] <jelly> setup: unless you have a question about your Debian installation, please keep quiet. We have #debian-offtopic for chat about things that are not support related.
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2415 [18:26:10] <nafetsreuab> jelly: thank you. its done.
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2417 [18:26:18] <nafetsreuab> i stopped all processes that used the sql database
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2419 [18:26:20] <Iridos> heh
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2422 [18:26:45] <setup> sorry
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2426 [18:27:24] <jelly> nafetsreuab: mysql_install_db sounds like something that only gets run during initial installation or MAYBE a major server upgrade. If you've just migrated from mysql to maria, perhaps this is normal
2427 [18:27:36] <jelly> I'm guessing wildly at this point.
2428 [18:28:14] <jelly> nafetsreuab: hope you have backups of your schemas!
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2432 [18:29:34] <nafetsreuab> this was just a security update.
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2439 [18:30:40] <jelly> I'm clueless about maria. Perhaps it was a security upgrade that did a change in internal server stuff. Who knows.
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2453 [18:37:52] <ChrisH> When searching for CPU usage limit for a eg. vlc convert job, where do I need to start searching. nice is not enough here
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2457 [18:39:34] <Iridos> how many cores does the machine have?
2458 [18:39:45] <Iridos> and how much of your memory do you use
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2460 [18:40:11] <fdgvs> hi guys
2461 [18:40:19] <fdgvs> how can i force a module to unload?
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2464 [18:40:27] <fdgvs> specifically, i want to fore unload i915
2465 [18:40:40] <fdgvs> force*
2466 [18:40:45] <fdgvs> i have already stopped X
2467 [18:40:51] <jelly> fdgvs: if it's in use by something, like the framebuffer console, you can't.
2468 [18:40:59] <fdgvs> ahh right that is using it
2469 [18:41:01] <fdgvs> true
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2471 [18:41:08] <ChrisH> Iridos: 2 cores, 1 socket; memory: RSS abt. 250MB
2472 [18:41:11] <fdgvs> why doesnt lsmod show me that someone is using it?
2473 [18:41:28] <jelly> fdgvs: does it have 0 next to that module name?
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2476 [18:41:46] <fdgvs> i915 957864 3
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2478 [18:41:50] <fdgvs> thats what it says
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2480 [18:42:03] <jelly> 3 means three... somethings are using it.
2481 [18:42:11] <fdgvs> ohh is that '3' column saying that 3 other modules depend on it?
2482 [18:42:16] <fdgvs> ohh ok
2483 [18:42:22] <fdgvs> how can i find out which modules those are?
2484 [18:42:25] <jelly> not necessarily modules.
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2486 [18:42:42] <fdgvs> lsof comes to mind, but not sure how to use to to find module deps
2487 [18:42:45] <jelly> could be userspace, could be a builtin part of the kernel
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2491 [18:43:04] <Iridos> ChrisH, you can pin it to one core (both processes, if need be)… but if you're swapping that won't help… if some other disk IO is blocking … well dunno.
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2494 [18:43:26] <Iridos> well, it'll block any other IO operations…
2495 [18:43:27] <jelly> fdgvs: I don't remember if it's possible to unload it once it got hold of the console.
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2498 [18:43:49] <jelly> fdgvs: the simplest thing to do is blacklist the module and reboot
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2502 [18:44:21] <jelly> !blacklist
2503 [18:44:21] <dpkg> To blacklist a Linux kernel module, create/edit /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local.conf and add a line similar to this (without quotes): "blacklist module_name". If this doesn't work, do 'echo "install modulename /bin/true" >> /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local.conf'. IMPORTANT: ask about <blacklist-initramfs>. To blacklist a module at installation time, ask me about <installer blacklist>. replaced-url
2504 [18:44:24] <Iridos> ChrisH, use iotop to (hopefully) see disk usage… actually… guess you can also see disk usage in /sys/cgroups
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2506 [18:45:02] <jelly> !kms
2507 [18:45:02] <dpkg> Kernel Mode Setting (KMS) has graphical modes initialized by the Linux kernel instead of X. It is hardware dependent, introduced in Linux 2.6.29. Enabled via modprobe as of xserver-xorg-video-intel 2:2.9.1-2 and xserver-xorg-video-radeon 1:6.12.192-2. To disable, edit /etc/modprobe.d/{i915,radeon}-kms.conf or boot with the 'nomodeset' kernel command line parameter. replaced-url
2508 [18:45:09] <Iridos> make that /sys/fs/cgroup
2509 [18:45:18] <ChrisH> Iridos: I simply want to restrict the CPU Usage to avoid other process to slow down. If the convert needs more time it is no problem.. IO shpuld not be the problem, as there is a dedicated VG/PV for this kind of jobs.
2510 [18:45:44] <Iridos> well, then pin it to one core, everything else can use the other one…
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2512 [18:45:51] <jelly> fdgvs: ^^ maybe that is enough. But then you still have to be careful not to start X without xorg.conf, because it's going to autodetect and load it again if you do
2513 [18:46:20] <Iridos> nice should already put that into scheduling, though
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2516 [18:47:26] <fdgvs> jelly: ok, so it seems i have to reboot to disable i915
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2519 [18:48:22] <Walakea> why is the latest eclipse package of version 3.8?
2520 [18:48:51] <jelly> because noone packaged anything newer
2521 [18:48:58] <Walakea> are the newer one hard to package or no people are doing it?
2522 [18:49:05] <jelly> why not both
2523 [18:49:14] <Walakea> it is not xor
2524 [18:49:33] <Walakea> although it sounds so
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2526 [18:49:49] <jelly> oh... then, "yes"
2527 [18:50:00] <Walakea> i successfully got the official version running but it is inconvenient
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2529 [18:50:09] <jelly> ,v eclipse
2530 [18:50:15] <judd> Package: eclipse on amd64 -- wheezy: 3.8.0~rc4-1; jessie: 3.8.1-7; sid: 3.8.1-8; stretch: 3.8.1-10; sid: 3.8.1-10
2531 [18:50:18] <Walakea> messes up my /home dir
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2533 [18:50:36] <Walakea> the latest one is 4.3
2534 [18:50:56] <ChrisH> Iridos: cpulimit seems to provide such faetures, but it looks like it need a started process to limit. I hoped for something during startup.... I will continue searching
2535 [18:50:58] <jelly> Walakea: did you check the bug reports?
2536 [18:51:10] <jelly> judd: bug #681726
2537 [18:51:11] <judd> Bug replaced-url
2538 [18:51:22] <jelly> Walakea: see that HELP WANTED sign
2539 [18:51:25] <Walakea> i am not so advanced user
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2542 [18:51:53] <jelly> if you want it, help
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2547 [18:53:25] <Walakea> although i would like to i still do not know anything about debian packaging proccess
2548 [18:54:03] <Iridos> well… set your facebook status to "it's complicated" or something ^^
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2551 [18:54:24] <jelly> learning is HARD!
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2586 [19:07:44] <skrite> hello all !
2587 [19:08:03] <Skie> Hello! I finished building this sweet desktop computer with 32 Gb RAM, 2 Tb HDD and the AMD Bulldozer 8350.I made a 6 (4 on top 2 bellow) display array and just installed latest Linuxmint. Problem being that i have one Nvidia Gforce gtx950 and a AMD Radeon R7 370x and can only get one of the two to work at a time
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2589 [19:08:34] <jelly> !mint
2590 [19:08:35] <dpkg> Linux Mint is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Please use their forums at replaced-url
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2596 [19:10:04] <Skie> jelly: i am asking here because i want to come back home to Debian. Question is, is it possible to run two different maker graphics cards?
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2605 [19:16:41] <jelly> Skie: in general, yes if all the cards use open source drivers, and if there are no other bugs preventing such a setup. No idea about non-free drivers, or some combination of free and non-free, maybe it's possible, maybe not
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2607 [19:17:30] <jelly> Skie: this isn't a debian-specific answer, just an observation of how my onboard intel and discrete nvidia interact.
2608 [19:17:48] <jelly> ask in #xorg, you may get a better answer
2609 [19:18:26] <Skie> jelly: that is an awfully good idea. :D thanks :)
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2621 [19:22:49] <Plushfish> Hi
2622 [19:23:01] <Plushfish> I heard Debian doesn't update every package? Or am I wrong?
2623 [19:23:12] <Skie> Plushfish: what you mean?
2624 [19:23:35] <Plushfish> I mean you have yout 43.000 packages - does every single update get security updates and bug fixes?
2625 [19:23:41] <Plushfish> I don't care for new features or so
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2627 [19:23:43] <Plushfish> Just security
2628 [19:23:57] <Plushfish> *about
2629 [19:24:08] <Plushfish> *single package
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2631 [19:24:55] <laurus> What is the easiest most hassle-free way to emulate a Raspberry Pi on Debian Jessie?
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2634 [19:25:52] <BillKGR> laurus, qemu is for sure a popular way
2635 [19:26:05] <altyr> laurus: buying one and connecting to it over ssh
2636 [19:26:15] <laurus> BillKGR, I'm totally confused about how to do that. I tried following the tutorial on the Debian Wiki but it didn't work.
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2638 [19:27:17] <SwedeMike> laurus: replaced-url
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2642 [19:28:01] <laurus> SwedeMike, is it safe to have "root=/dev/sda2" there?
2643 [19:28:07] <laurus> Currently my real hard drive uses /dev/sda2.
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2645 [19:28:18] <SwedeMike> of course you need to adapt to whatever your conditions are.
2646 [19:28:40] <laurus> Well what would I put there?
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2666 [19:33:32] <jelly> laurus: the emulated /dev/sda will typically be just a file on the filesystem somewhere, and you're going to run qemu as normal user anyway so it won't be able to access physical /dev/sda2 by default
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2684 [19:40:08] <inch> laurus: I
2685 [19:40:22] <inch> say that the most hassle-free way depends on what you need to do.
2686 [19:40:44] <laurus> inch, actually I just want to be able to write assembler programs on the chipset inside the machine.
2687 [19:40:49] <laurus> The "machine", that is.
2688 [19:41:02] <laurus> Without actually having to have a physical one and SSH to it.
2689 [19:41:12] <inch> In some cases you can unpack the raspbian installation in a directory and chroot to it by using qemu-arm-static.
2690 [19:41:35] <laurus> inch, that sounds promising
2691 [19:41:50] <inch> Sometimes that is enough and sometimes it is not.
2692 [19:43:17] <inch> In raspbian case you need to remove /etc/ld.so.preload that loads some library that makes some things fail with qemu
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2696 [19:45:57] <inch> copy emulator binary: install /usr/bin/qemu-arm-static /path/to/chroot/usr/bin/
2697 [19:46:37] <inch> then write some word to /path/to/chroot/etc/debian_chroot that changes the prompt conveniently when you are in the chroot
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2699 [19:47:43] <inch> and of course fix etc/resolv.conf, mount /proc, /sys, /dev etc. in the chroot if needed
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2701 [19:48:21] <laurus> Thanks inch .
2702 [19:48:31] <laurus> And I have to do all that every time I want to load it up, right?
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2704 [19:49:37] <inch> If you need those, then yes.
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2707 [19:50:01] <inch> Write a script to run the mount commands.
2708 [19:50:42] <laurus> OK thanks inch.
2709 [19:50:44] <laurus> Thank you very much.
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2723 [19:54:53] <teraflops> !gm
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2725 [19:54:54] <dpkg> extra, extra, read all about it, gm is Gambia
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2790 [20:20:46] <maxdml> Is it worth using RRDtool to store simple time series, instead of using something like a pair of arrays?
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2793 [20:22:36] <ForceRecon> what do we use in debian vs arp-a
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2796 [20:23:20] <ForceRecon> is there an arp cache
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2801 [20:25:35] <Iridos> maxdml, depends
2802 [20:25:36] <Iridos> ^^
2803 [20:25:47] <maxdml> :)
2804 [20:25:52] <JPT> There should be a tool called "arp" which basically does exactly the same thing.
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2806 [20:26:04] <JPT> Maybe you need to find the package and install it
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2809 [20:26:25] <Iridos> probably not
2810 [20:26:27] <maxdml> Iridos, I don't really need fancy features, just to be able to retrieve data per time, and perform some stat function
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2813 [20:26:50] <mutante> ForceRecon: try just running "arp" as root
2814 [20:26:54] <maxdml> right now I don't even need the graphic features proposed by rrdtool
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2816 [20:27:14] <maxdml> but I wonder if it is so well optimized in terms of read/write that it would be beneficial
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2818 [20:27:59] <Iridos> I think one of the main features is that it just flows over and so rrd file size never grows
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2820 [20:28:09] <ForceRecon> mutante, nicely done
2821 [20:28:12] <ForceRecon> thanks
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2825 [20:29:17] <Iridos> and if you get more data points than you want to record, it does automatic averaging… and it can also do that on a couple of more operations, like going to a more coarse scale
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2827 [20:29:41] <Iridos> but then it has a couple of what I kind of consider non-features
2828 [20:31:11] <Iridos> like that you *have* to save data into it at least once a tick on your scale, else there is a gap… or that you cannot store data out of order (i.e if you save a data point from "now" you cannot fill up a data point 10 minutes ago if that doesn't go into the same tick)
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2830 [20:31:43] <Iridos> or the reverse polish notation, which I find unintuitive (bet one gets used to that if one uses it a lot, though)
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2832 [20:33:34] <Iridos> and yes, it's pretty optimized for writing… doesn't mean writing to ~70000 rrds all the time doesn't create hell
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2835 [20:35:11] <Iridos> from what I heard whisper is about a factor of 3 slower
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2853 [20:42:37] <onee-chan> what is the channel for debian testing on freenode?
2854 [20:43:04] <missmbob> there isnt one
2855 [20:43:08] <onee-chan> oh
2856 [20:43:16] <missmbob> !oftc
2857 [20:43:16] <dpkg> OFTC is the Open and Free Technology Community, a support/collaboration service. They have an IRC network: irc.oftc.net. You may be connected to OFTC's network. replaced-url
2858 [20:43:31] <onee-chan> well can't wait when testing gets realeased
2859 [20:43:57] <missmbob> you have a while. late aug maybe
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2863 [20:44:21] <galex-713> How to, under debian, copy the mbr from one hard disk to another?
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2865 [20:44:40] <missmbob> dd works
2866 [20:44:43] <ForceRecon> wow I am interested in that too
2867 [20:44:46] <galex-713> dd how much?
2868 [20:45:07] <galex-713> 4MiB? 4MB? 2MB? 1? 8K
2869 [20:45:10] <galex-713> *?
2870 [20:45:28] <onee-chan> lol, last time I was here, predictions were for late june
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2874 [20:46:06] <missmbob> 512 bytes
2875 [20:46:08] <rudi_s> galex-713: 512B, the first secotr of the disk.
2876 [20:46:12] <rudi_s> *sector
2877 [20:46:14] <rudi_s> ForceRecon: ^
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2879 [20:46:24] <onee-chan> and the green line on release critical bugs is getting pretty close to 0
2880 [20:46:39] <onee-chan> unless something major introduces new bugs again
2881 [20:46:46] <missmbob> not it's not. been around 135 for over a month
2882 [20:46:47] <galex-713> so… dd if=/dev/sdb of=/dev/sdc bs=512 count=1 should work?
2883 [20:46:55] <missmbob> yes
2884 [20:47:11] <galex-713> ok
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2886 [20:48:14] <galex-713> since I lost one of my sata cables, will do dd if=/dev/sdb of=mbr.bin bs=512 count=1 ; switch disks ; dd if=mbr.bin of=/dev/sdb bs=512 count=1; will probably work too
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2888 [20:48:31] <missmbob> yes
2889 [20:48:58] <humbot> except
2890 [20:49:09] <ForceRecon> making lunch.. re read.. rudi_s watch
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2892 [20:49:57] <ForceRecon> galex-713, mmmmmmmmm
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2894 [20:50:10] <galex-713> what?
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2896 [20:50:26] <ForceRecon> are you putting that drive in the exact same spot
2897 [20:50:45] <galex-713> what do you mean by spot?
2898 [20:50:53] <ForceRecon> ahh.. never mind.. never mind
2899 [20:51:00] <galex-713> I connect it through the same cable which stays connected to the same port
2900 [20:51:04] <ForceRecon> better off reading then writing
2901 [20:51:10] <ForceRecon> yeah
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2903 [20:51:13] <ForceRecon> I seee
2904 [20:51:15] <missmbob> you can ignore him
2905 [20:51:29] <humbot> i'd guess sdb will not be given out again straight away, but if you're rebooting to swap, then fine
2906 [20:51:43] <galex-713> missmbob, well if he didn’t understand something I don’t see problem in trying to help him understand :)
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2908 [20:52:10] <galex-713> humbot, given out again straight away?
2909 [20:52:14] <ForceRecon> wtf missmbob
2910 [20:52:19] <ForceRecon> you know me?
2911 [20:52:31] <galex-713> “rebooting to swap”? you mean resuming hibernation? don’t understand the relationship
2912 [20:52:37] <missmbob> it'll get the same drive name the very next boot
2913 [20:52:45] <humbot> yes
2914 [20:52:47] <humbot> sorry
2915 [20:53:48] <rudi_s> galex-713: swap = switch drives
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2917 [20:54:17] <galex-713> missmbob, nope, if I disconnect a drive and reconnect another, it has the same name
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2921 [20:54:26] <galex-713> if I disconnect before to reconnect the other
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2924 [20:55:19] <missmbob> that's what i said
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2928 [20:56:44] <galex-713> why you said “the very next boot” then?
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2930 [20:57:53] <missmbob> i'm not sure how what you just said is any different. but i'm really tired and dont care anyway
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2938 [20:59:48] <galex-713> ah ok
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2947 [21:03:08] <ForceRecon> so tired of know it alls
2948 [21:03:33] <ForceRecon> then they use that level of intimidation and get tired of helping.. useless..
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2952 [21:04:16] <missmbob> i told exact how to backup his mbr. nice try though.
2953 [21:04:46] <missmbob> did you tell him to bs=512? not you didnt. i did
2954 [21:05:17] <ForceRecon> hey missmob.. not everyone gets it on the first try.. you have to hand hold or don't answer at all.. otherwise its useless.. not everyone knows what you know or understands what you are saying no matter how silly it may soun
2955 [21:05:19] <ForceRecon> d
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2957 [21:05:51] <galex-713> ForceRecon, I prefer a bad answer I can, at worse, investigate/ask with more info somewhere else than no answer at all
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2960 [21:06:28] <ForceRecon> galex-713, I apologize for speaking for you.. just gets tiring
2961 [21:06:42] <galex-713> and actually I understood at the first time, then it was only misunderstandement on useless comments on already achieved help and if he’s tired of talking about unnecessary stuff that’s not helping it’s okay
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2965 [21:07:50] <maxdml> Iridos, thanks
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2976 [21:11:55] <ForceRecon> galex-713, completely understand what you are saying.. too bad the people that help don't quite get that if they helped more with less attitude linux would take over the world..
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2978 [21:12:39] <missmbob> maybe you should join #ubuntu. i've be helping in #debian for 15 years. this is what it's like. we're all volunteers
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2980 [21:13:04] <ForceRecon> yeah no wonder linux has a 2% market share..
2981 [21:13:19] <missmbob> yes, i'm that powerful
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2988 [21:14:36] * zykotick9 remembers seeing missmbob help a lot of people in #d... ForceRecon not so much...
2989 [21:14:57] <humbot> i've installed thunderbird for debian stable, but can't login to gmail, it passes my address to the login window, but the 'Next' button does nothing
2990 [21:15:19] <ForceRecon> you know that sound that sounds like ass kissing.. I think I just heard it
2991 [21:15:22] <missmbob> i had a different nick. markybob. i'm the one who created the first unofficial xfs installer for debian
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2994 [21:15:58] <humbot> there's a few oldish reports of this happening, they recommend changing various settings in gmail, but i haven't succeeded yet
2995 [21:16:01] <ForceRecon> congrats.. loose the attitude when teaching and maybe people will like you more upon first contact.. it would help the linux cause
2996 [21:16:23] <at0m> ForceRecon: can you keep it on-topic?
2997 [21:16:29] <wachpwnski-mobi> I'm not getting how packages are lined up in terms of making a repository directory structure. If I look at the dpkg info it will tell me its section could be "main" or "libdevel", but not matter what it is, all binaries go into the pool/main directory. Can someone explain to me how that works?
2998 [21:16:38] <ForceRecon> I thought that was the topic
2999 [21:16:40] <ForceRecon> but okay
3000 [21:16:50] <humbot> is this a continuing problem, should i install thunderbird 52 from their site, or have i missed something ?
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3002 [21:16:58] <at0m> the topic is in the channel name, actually.
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3004 [21:18:05] <missmbob> humbot: i moved to evolution because thunderbird has various problems, so as no 2 step auth support. is you use online accounts in gnome-control-center it just works
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3006 [21:18:13] <vutral> eh
3007 [21:18:16] <missmbob> such as*
3008 [21:18:25] <maxdml> Does gmail embed PGP usage?
3009 [21:18:26] <galex-713> ForceRecon, that’s absolutely not in relationship with help if *GNU/*Linux has only 2% market share, that’s partially because it’s not counted enough because often it’s informally and non-commercially diffused, and also because all the computers comes with Windows pre-installed, and because schools teach with either Windows or Mac OS (for the riches one)
3010 [21:18:34] <vutral> can you fix systemd from killing every boot just because of a fstab entry which couldnt be mountecd
3011 [21:18:38] <maxdml> or do I have to use a client like thunderbird?
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3013 [21:19:09] <missmbob> maxdml: if you use various extensions such as mailenvelop the one i use cryptup
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3015 [21:19:37] <maxdml> missmbob, I see, thanks
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3021 [21:21:20] <humbot> use the nofail flag in fstab i think
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3023 [21:21:30] <humbot> err, vutral ^^^
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3027 [21:22:01] <vutral> hi humbot
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3029 [21:22:25] <humbot> if that's a suitable solution for you
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3032 [21:22:55] <vutral> humbot: in more than the half of cases i need a running system to fix problems :
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3074 [21:45:42] <pthreat> I have jessie 8.8 I just installed it, I have no sound, Codec: Intel Haswell HDMI
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3077 [21:47:02] <GNU\colossus> pthreat, have you tried installing the jessie-backports kernel image?
3078 [21:47:09] <GNU\colossus> it might fix your problem without much ado
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3080 [21:47:26] <pthreat> GNU\colossus: I haven't
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3086 [21:48:06] <pthreat> Could you copy the apt repo so I can fetch it?
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3088 [21:49:04] <igorx> pthreat, replaced-url
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3097 [21:50:08] <pthreat> gotcha
3098 [21:50:09] <pthreat> thanks!
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3104 [21:52:00] <pthreat> GNU\colossus: I'll let you know what's up in a few
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3115 [21:57:03] <pthreat> GNU\colossus: And viola, worked
3116 [21:57:05] <pthreat> voila*
3117 [21:57:07] <pthreat> thanks man
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3125 [21:58:36] <SuperTramp83> ForceRecon, it is my understanding GNU/Linux has a 2% market share because 98% of the world population is 'computer illiterate'. Also, misinformation, monopoly and social pressure appear to contribute a lot to the sad state.
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3127 [22:00:26] <ryouma> i have an external hard drive that is giving kernel errors including "Sense Key : Hardware Error [current] [descriptor]". google suggests it's a false positive. is it? replaced-url
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3131 [22:03:44] <ForceRecon> SuperTramp83, with no disrespect please.. they are illiterate to linux as much as you are to cisco or windows or mac.. it has nothing to do with illiteracy it has to do with ease of usage, simplicity and nice pictures, hence why linux is moving away from the comamand line. the sad state is people want to do, now, and not learn ever.. and those of us that do want to learn are looked at like we are morons on these channels since we don't know as much
3132 [22:03:44] <ForceRecon> as the other that have been working in this somewhat forgotten field..
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3135 [22:05:27] <SuperTramp83> ForceRecon, Windows is not easy to use. It's just a myth
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3142 [22:06:07] <avalon_> it is fun to me to use it
3143 [22:06:17] <avalon_> pleasure ;)
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3145 [22:07:37] <avalon_> more fun than pleasure, but ok
3146 [22:07:51] <ForceRecon> SuperTramp83, that is because you did not start on dos, go to windows 1 and then 2 and then 3.1 did not spend 2 decades in school for server support or do the migration from novell to windows for Merck Pharma at the HQ in NJ. You did not build the servers from scratch, create the domain controll and backup controll, exchange servers and utilize PCDOC for document management for 8000 people.. hence why it is not easy for you.. for me, it flows
3147 [22:07:51] <ForceRecon> like water
3148 [22:08:08] <ForceRecon> and I am sure it works the same way for you with linux then it does for me
3149 [22:08:16] <ForceRecon> but we are not on a windows channel are wel
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3151 [22:09:32] <igorx> ForceRecon: made my day, high5 man :)
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3157 [22:12:21] <ForceRecon> igorx, (* ´ ∀`)人(´∀`*)
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3159 [22:12:34] <SuperTramp83> ForceRecon, what I'm saying is people think it is easy coz they are used to it, it's basically the only "OS" they ever tried to use. Windows is not easy to use. It's just people are more familiar with it. Mint is much more easy to use than any version of Windows. And I know it by experience. I installed that shit on a load of computers and very rarely has anyone had any issue with it. If you put a child with 0 experience in front of
3160 [22:12:34] <SuperTramp83> two monitors, one with win$ and the other with any user-friendly GNU/linux distro and ask them after a few hours which one they find easier to use...
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3163 [22:13:20] <SuperTramp83> but enough of offtopicing for me. cheers
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3165 [22:13:57] <ForceRecon> SuperTramp83, you are correct.. hence why I am here.. I had a lady who could F up a windows install that took 12 hours to complete in 10 minutes utilize yahoo email..
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3167 [22:14:11] <ForceRecon> I installed linux mint on her laptop.. no problem after a month
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3169 [22:14:16] <ForceRecon> I agree..
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3171 [22:15:17] <ForceRecon> but I am one of the good guys pushing it.. I just can't stand all the attitude on the help channels to support it.. like it should be so simple.. its not.. well not to those of us that have not used it for more then 3 months
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3173 [22:16:31] <ForceRecon> she won't know how to do updates, or that there is a password in there or remember it if she needs too.. older folk, but it works for now.. so that's a good thing in my book
3174 [22:16:48] <missmbob> !offtopic
3175 [22:16:49] <dpkg> #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day.
3176 [22:17:09] <ForceRecon> yes boss..
3177 [22:17:39] <missmbob> you act as if i made the channel. you can complain with it in #debian-offtopic
3178 [22:18:08] <ForceRecon> just giving respect because I was off topic and you are doing the proper thing..
3179 [22:18:12] <ForceRecon> I mean that
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3182 [22:20:18] <humbot> ugh
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3198 [22:28:14] <galex-713> Hi
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3202 [22:28:42] <galex-713> normally, “copy partition” with gparted + copy mbr with dd should work to copy windows from one disk to another?
3203 [22:28:45] <galex-713> right?
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3209 [22:29:43] <Nik05> galex-713 what windows version? And maybe you should ask in ##windows
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3212 [22:30:06] <galex-713> windows 7, dunno if they know about gparted/dd
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3214 [22:30:29] <galex-713> probably they would redirect me on the channel of the OS that the tools are from, that is here
3215 [22:30:44] <Nik05> You can also use something like Clonezilla, that way it only copies used space
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3219 [22:33:01] <petn-randall> galex-713: Depends on many factors. For example, if you boot via UEFI, you also need to copy the EFI System Partition.
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3243 [22:47:51] <galex-713> petn-randall, MBR
3244 [22:47:56] <galex-713> BIOS then
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3246 [22:48:15] <galex-713> Nik05, ntfsclone do that normally
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3262 [22:54:35] <missmbob> dd bs=512
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3266 [22:56:11] <galex-713> missmbob, yes that’s what I did
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3272 [22:57:03] <petn-randall> + count=1
3273 [22:57:06] <galex-713> missmbob, yes that’s what I did
3274 [22:57:13] <galex-713> petn-randall, +that yes
3275 [22:57:18] <petn-randall> :)
3276 [22:57:23] <galex-713> and windows does a bsod on boot
3277 [22:57:32] <galex-713> with a “coundn’t mount” error
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3281 [22:58:44] <galex-713> oh but…
3282 [22:58:45] <galex-713> wait…
3283 [22:58:50] <galex-713> my fault
3284 [22:58:54] <galex-713> even debian can’t mount it
3285 [22:58:59] <galex-713> probably copied it wrong
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3287 [23:00:08] <ufa> hiii
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3289 [23:00:14] <ufa> I have just update my pi, and now my ecryptfs usb partition is not sowing the filenames :(
3290 [23:00:19] <ufa> it mounts the filesystem but i cannot cd into it
3291 [23:00:28] <ufa> does anyone have a clue about it?
3292 [23:00:38] <ufa> I can mount it, but cannot cd into it
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3296 [23:03:28] <altyr> ufa: are you running raspbian on that? if yes better ask in #raspbian
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3304 [23:06:02] <ufa> altyr: ok, thanks
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3334 [23:20:47] <rebrec> hello
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3337 [23:22:46] <rebrec> Each time i boot my computer, i get my / mounted RO. If i remount RW manually, it works. i get an error from systemd-remount-fs which tells that it can't find some UUID partition But this UUID is not the correct one... I suspect an initrd image not well rebuild (i don't master all of this, i just tried to do an update-initramfs -k all -c and reboot but i still have the same problem (/ mounted RO) any ideas please ?
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3343 [23:24:52] <petn-randall> rebrec: Does your /etc/fstab list your rootfs correctly?
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3345 [23:26:24] <uxfi> hello pet
3346 [23:26:34] <rebrec> petn-randall: damn... i think you just fixed my problem
3347 [23:26:41] <rebrec> thanks (so easy/fast)
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3350 [23:26:52] <rebrec> i will reboot to test thanks a lot
3351 [23:26:56] <rebrec> brb
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3353 [23:27:11] <hanasaki> what happens to https traffic that hits squid ?
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3361 [23:28:46] <rebrec> thanks petn-randall it was just that ...
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3363 [23:29:10] <petn-randall> hanasaki: Is it used as HTTPS proxy?
3364 [23:29:22] <petn-randall> rebrec: You're welcome, glad I could help.
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3366 [23:29:37] <rebrec> petn-randall: do you know how i could have my partition UUID to get changed after a dist-upgrade ? UUID are not related to anything about the OS packages right ?
3367 [23:30:00] <rebrec> i wonder how i have been able to "change this UUID" (probably during an upgrade process)
3368 [23:30:25] <petn-randall> hanasaki: Then the client issues a HTTP CONNECT, after that squid just proxies encrypted bytes back and forth, neither seeing the content, nor being able to cache it.
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3373 [23:31:00] <petn-randall> rebrec: They don't get changed on upgrade. Maybe you formatted the partition at some point?
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3378 [23:31:48] <rebrec> petn-randall: no... there must be something i am missing but what i am sure is that i keep the same OS since years and only dist-upgrade when needed
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3380 [23:32:27] <rebrec> anyway i must be wrong somewhere thanks again
3381 [23:32:32] <ebol4> is there a way to make dhclient run again every time the ethernet cable is unplugged and plugged back in
3382 [23:32:45] <ebol4> at the moment, it only seems to run on reboots
3383 [23:33:01] <rebrec> ebol4: netplug
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3385 [23:33:09] <rebrec> ebol4: replaced-url
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3387 [23:34:05] <rebrec> ebol4: according to the previous link, it seems that ifplugd is preferable over netplugd
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3389 [23:35:02] <ebol4> i tried ifplugd, but couldn't get it to run in systemd
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3392 [23:36:50] <petn-randall> ebol4: You could use network-manager, it also has a cli interface.
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3398 [23:39:17] <ebol4> rebrec: netplug is working perfectly, thanks.
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