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132 [01:34:20] <dodo> what's the IRC channel name for Stretch?
133 [01:34:47] <missmbob> !debian-next
134 [01:34:47] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
135 [01:35:35] <dodo> well I didn't read that.
136 [01:35:38] <dodo> thanks
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148 [01:39:50] <Mr> greetings all
149 [01:40:48] <bodeezl> hey howdy hey
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153 [01:41:58] <Mr> I am looking around for good examples of pros/cons to installing with a true root user account or no account and letting system install sudo. Any ideas on scenario where one way is better than other?
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155 [01:42:46] <missmbob> not really. no root with sudo is the default
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158 [01:44:59] <zykotick9> Mr: personally, if it's a single admin system - i think using root makes the most sense. ymmv.
159 [01:45:38] <missmbob> it's like asking lxde vs xfce. no one but you cares
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162 [01:46:49] <Mr> hmm good to know mssmbob. I am breaking up with windows. I'm done, I see the penguin light now.
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164 [01:47:21] <zykotick9> missmbob: actually... i don't think that's true. "old school" *nix wisdom teaches us that "becoming root" = responsibilities... but sudo muddies those water IMO... it's not as simple as "start an editor war" or "start a DE war" IMO...
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166 [01:47:47] <missmbob> oh so old school vs new school isn't personal opinion?
167 [01:48:20] <missmbob> just like this discussion, it's pointless
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169 [01:48:44] <zykotick9> missmbob: i question if a "new school" wisdom can exist... wisdom take time...
170 [01:48:51] <FinalX> sudo still gives a true root account.
171 [01:49:01] <FinalX> sudo -s # just gives you a root shell.
172 [01:49:21] * zykotick9 thought it was "sudo -i"?
173 [01:49:52] <FinalX> -i gives a login shell, -s does not
174 [01:49:59] <Mr> FinalX, is it safe to say if you are not going to be doing lots of admin duties, sudo is like "admin lite" perhaps?
175 [01:50:09] <FinalX> no, quite the opposite
176 [01:50:14] <Mr> ahh
177 [01:50:37] <FinalX> I think sudo nowadays is highly dangerous as many users simply copy/paste lines prefixed with sudo from random sites without knowing what the heck they're actually doing.
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179 [01:50:52] <zykotick9> FinalX: +1
180 [01:50:55] <FinalX> sudo in itself is a wonderful thing, when used correctly
181 [01:51:28] <FinalX> you can use sudo, for example, to limit what users can execute as root.
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184 [01:52:01] <Mr> I see
185 [01:52:04] <zykotick9> if admin = >1, sudo is the answer. as it logs better.
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187 [01:52:16] <FinalX> for instance, at work, all our admins use pam to sudo with one-time passwords to become root, without having to type or know the actual root password of the machine. we pretty much only use the actual root password for emergencies on the shell through remote console when networking is unavailable on the machine.
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192 [01:53:00] <FinalX> it also enables us to give our application adminstrators that don't need full root access, the ability to (re)start/stop processes or look into log files without having to have a full set of root privs
193 [01:53:10] <FinalX> (as you can limit commands users can execute as root through sudo)
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195 [01:54:24] <FinalX> also in contrast to what I said earlier, if you don't copy/paste but actually type sudo yourself because you know you need to execute a specific command as root, it can greatly help avoid making dangerous mistakes that could affect the entire machine.
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197 [01:54:55] <Voldenet> Yeah, super user should be used "for one or two commands" and not for a session
198 [01:54:58] <zykotick9> FinalX: i'd disagree with that statement, but ymmv...
199 [01:55:24] <Voldenet> in fact, one should completely aim to avoid using super user, groups are powerful enough
200 [01:55:35] <FinalX> I don't use sudo like that, I often need to do a shitton of stuff as root on machines, otherwise I wouldn't even be on the machine, as I need to debug why the machine isn't functioning properly
201 [01:55:36] <zykotick9> FinalX: i think "sudo" leads to sloppy admining...
202 [01:56:02] <Voldenet> but some software /requires root/ (which is an easy way around managing some resources)
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205 [01:56:44] <FinalX> (having to type sudo becomes very cumbersome if you have to do it a dozen times in a row)
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207 [01:57:16] <Voldenet> the real question is "why do you even need to run as super user"
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209 [01:57:38] <Voldenet> I mean you could set up most of systemd services to run as specific users
210 [01:57:44] <Voldenet> and so on
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212 [01:58:47] <FinalX> sure, but try setting that up for every single server and every single account every time for over a thousand servers with a bunch of legacy servers is a pain. and most need ports below 1024. sure you can find ways around that as well, but why bother.
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214 [01:59:29] <FinalX> each user has its own environment as well, simply dealing with groups is not enough
215 [01:59:40] <Voldenet> ^ that's why most admins don't care about security
216 [01:59:46] <Voldenet> because they don't have that kind of time :D
217 [01:59:54] <Voldenet> or rather, they just set up sudo
218 [01:59:58] <Voldenet> as an easy way out of this
219 [02:00:01] <FinalX> has got very little to do with security
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222 [02:00:41] <Voldenet> eh, really, running commands as another user "has got very little to do with security"?
223 [02:00:47] <FinalX> no.
224 [02:01:02] <FinalX> it does.
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229 [02:01:43] <Mr> FinalX, to me it is sounding like if you are on a personal machine [as me] not users/clients to manage,, as long as responsible it's not bad for home machine to just skip root setup at install and go sudo
230 [02:01:58] <FinalX> but there's a big difference in setting up applications to run as a specific user and making sure that they do, and *how* you are controlling those applications.
231 [02:02:10] <missmbob> !chat
232 [02:02:10] <dpkg> This is not a chat channel, this is a Debian user support channel. Unless you have a Debian support question, please chat elsewhere, like #moocows on irc.oftc.net or ##chat on irc.freenode.net.
233 [02:02:37] <Voldenet> Oh, that's true - in fact, most apps just use systemd instead of systemd --user
234 [02:03:07] <Voldenet> Like nginx, i guess it requires su because of <1024 ports in use
235 [02:03:21] <Voldenet> meh, --> #debian-offtopic
236 [02:03:21] <FinalX> Mr: go with what works best for you. keep in mind that very often passwords of users can be used to log in remotely through ssh, and then if you have sudo enabled to become root and that password leaks, they immediately have root, too. So at least disable password authentication to login with remotely; use key pairs instead.
237 [02:04:01] <FinalX> Just make sure you understand the implications of what you do, then neither option is bad.
238 [02:04:10] <Mr> Finalx: great to know, i have better idea of pros/cons
239 [02:04:21] <Voldenet> Mr, FinalX --> #debian-offtopic
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247 [02:10:04] <Mr> Voldemort, FinalX was very supportive. Time to run now though. till next time..
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285 [02:38:02] <Dragon64> Good Evening Team!
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307 [03:07:20] <kdog> I've been using nagios for years for simple monitoring and just came across Zabbix. Anyone have experience with it they'd like to share? Easier, better, more dev going on?
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311 [03:12:06] <dindian> lol after painful mind crunching i finally got my nvidia driver prooerly working
312 [03:12:54] <dindian> so jessie is up and running now all i have to do is customize it to my liking
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347 [03:40:36] <VentGrey> Hello World
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360 [03:47:22] <Canucktux> hey VentGrey
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373 [03:57:09] <VentGrey> Darn it xD everytime i package the MATE Desktop a new update comes out :c
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411 [04:36:30] <blastwave> is there still a chan for PowerPC type users ? there was one .. called debianppc ?
412 [04:36:53] <blastwave> yes .. off I go ..
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420 [04:40:41] <Abbott> is there a way to setup ssh to work on installtion media ahead of time? the machine I am hoping to install debian on does not have functioning vga out right now
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423 [04:44:35] <missmbob> replaced-url
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453 [05:17:12] <somiaj> Abbott: you have to write a preseed if you want to have no interaction. A preseed I believ can launch the NetworkConsole missmbob linked
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481 [05:49:02] <missmbob> (the link includes preseed instructions)
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537 [06:22:02] <hurdos> Hello
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539 [06:23:39] <hurdos> I see in debian/rules this code:
540 [06:23:39] <hurdos> # Enable ZTS build if $(DEB_SOURCE) ends with -zts
541 [06:23:39] <hurdos> ZTS=$(shell echo $(DEB_SOURCE) | sed 's/php$(PHP_MAJOR_VERSION).$(PHP_MINOR_VERSION)//')
542 [06:23:39] <hurdos> ifeq ($(ZTS),-zts)
543 [06:23:39] <hurdos> $(warning Enabling ZTS build)
544 [06:23:39] <hurdos> CONFIGURE_ZTS := --enable-maintainer-zts
545 [06:23:39] <hurdos> endif
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550 [06:25:22] <hurdos> The question, what is DEB_SOURCE? Is it some path?
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552 [06:26:42] <themill> context would help
553 [06:27:33] <hurdos> I see it in debian/rules of php source package
554 [06:28:00] <hurdos> replaced-url
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556 [06:28:25] <themill> there is no 'php' source package
557 [06:28:46] * themill tries to find it
558 [06:28:55] <hurdos> I know, but debian building should be the same
559 [06:29:15] <themill> you're asking me to tell you about stuff you're not showing me
560 [06:29:51] <hurdos> here is replaced-url
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563 [06:30:58] <themill> in php7.0/7.0.14-2/debian/rules, DEB_SOURCE is the source package name
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566 [06:31:34] <themill> (context helps... I needed to see the whole Makefile to find the definition, not just where it is used)
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568 [06:34:27] <hurdos> so, I should change dir from 'php7.1-7.1.5' to 'php7.1-7.1.5-zts', right?
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573 [06:36:18] <themill> source package != directory
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575 [06:36:56] <hurdos> themill: what should I change?
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590 [06:43:08] <themill> hurdos: the package name is in d/control
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594 [06:43:48] <hurdos> themill: source tag?
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597 [06:47:51] <hurdos> it says that appeared conflict :(
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599 [06:48:33] <hurdos> dpkg-source: error: the package with the source code contains two conflicting values: php7.1-zts and php7.1
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606 [06:58:56] <Mathisen> what does the topic mean by " Stretch frozen 2017-02-05 "
607 [07:00:12] <Mathisen> nevermind google told me, so this means 9.0 is coming soon ?
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613 [07:08:30] <solrize> there's no ETA
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620 [07:15:54] <Mathisen> okej
621 [07:18:11] <Mathisen> so does this also mean i can upgrade to testing without to mutch hassle now ?
622 [07:18:35] <Mathisen> and then when 9.0 is relased just change repo ?
623 [07:19:23] <missmbob> is you use stretch as the repo name you wont have to change anything. and stretch doesnt have security support right now
624 [07:19:33] <missmbob> s/is/if
625 [07:20:08] <Mathisen> okej
626 [07:20:11] <Mathisen> thx for the info
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646 [07:49:33] <Quatroking> I'm trying to set up samba but it's refusing to start the daemon and when I try to add samba users it gives me "Can't load /etc/samba/smb.conf - run testparm to debug it"
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650 [07:50:04] <Quatroking> the file is there
651 [07:50:40] <Quatroking> when trying to start the daemon it tells me "Failed to start LSB: start Samba SMB/CIFS daemon (smbd)."
652 [07:51:06] <Quatroking> journalctl tells me there are no journals
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655 [07:53:56] <Mathisen> Quatroking, systemctl start smbd.service ?
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657 [07:54:46] <Quatroking> nope
658 [07:54:53] <Mathisen> nope ?
659 [07:55:18] <Quatroking> Tells me the job failed and to check the status
660 [07:55:40] <Quatroking> and the status literally just says that it failed and to check the journals, which don't exist
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662 [07:55:45] <Mathisen> can you pastebin full command and response pls
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664 [07:56:20] <Mathisen> and the only thing you did before was to install samba samba-common right ?
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666 [07:57:06] <Quatroking> Yep
667 [07:57:09] <Quatroking> replaced-url
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673 [07:59:35] <Quatroking> Oh what the hell there's no smb.conf
674 [07:59:51] <Mathisen> you should atleast have a smb.conf.bak
675 [07:59:55] <Mathisen> if this is fresh installed
676 [08:00:30] <Quatroking> I copied over smb.conf from /usr/share/samba/smb.conf, that seemed to do the trick
677 [08:00:37] <Quatroking> weird
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679 [08:01:28] <Mathisen> ok but it is running now then ?
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681 [08:01:43] <Quatroking> Yeah
682 [08:01:53] <Mathisen> nice nice
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765 [09:08:42] <mender27> Morning!
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802 [09:42:16] <molluskempire> I'm trying to figure out why Wicd suddenly says no wireless networks found after being connected. My router is on and transmitting just fine.
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847 [10:12:49] <Cl0udN9ne> can anyone tell me the output meaning of this?
848 [10:13:04] <Cl0udN9ne> Mem: 3418 662 701 16 2054 2460
849 [10:13:18] <Cl0udN9ne> total used free shared buff/cache available
850 [10:13:44] <Cl0udN9ne> does it mean tht 662 is the actual used ram in my computer?
851 [10:14:37] <Cl0udN9ne> conky is telling me tht 2.82gb is used out of 3.4 gb
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853 [10:15:22] <SwedeMike> Cl0udN9ne: replaced-url
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858 [10:19:46] <Cl0udN9ne> so is conky wrong?
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864 [10:23:12] <MolluskEmpire> Wicd seems to be failing to pick up wireless signals. Wired connection is functional and the wifi is definitely broadcasting. Does anyone know what the issue may be? (I asked this a bit ago but lost connection and moved devices)
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900 [10:45:01] <MolluskEmpire> I ran ifconfig down and ifconfig up to restart it manually rather than through the gui and it seems to have solved the issue though I am still curious as to why a refresh on the gui itself and a system restart didn't solve the issue.
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932 [11:00:24] <jelly> Cl0udN9ne: it's wrong and it's not wrong... the "available" value is more important than the "used" one.
933 [11:00:54] <jelly> Cl0udN9ne: see linuxatemyram.com
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963 [11:22:11] <MrBar> hi debian
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967 [11:25:34] <Cl0udN9ne> jelly: sure
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986 [11:36:46] <MrBar> i found my memory
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1053 [12:27:09] <abrotman> Nik05: define "any"
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1057 [12:30:03] <Pepe> Guys can somebody help me with UEFI? I m asking here four times but no one gives a fuck:-)
1058 [12:30:34] <Pepe> I have Asrock Q1900 - ITX. I downloaded multi arch ISO. But Uefi still doesnt work. When I succesfully installs it it wants proper boot media.. :/
1059 [12:30:49] <Pepe> otherwise when I installed also GRUB with UEFI installation.. Grub works. Uefi doesnt.
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1063 [12:34:35] <abrotman> how did you prepare the ISO?
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1069 [12:35:41] <Pepe> Through Rufus
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1071 [12:39:17] <abrotman> WTF is Rufus?
1072 [12:39:47] <Cl0udN9ne> !win32diskimager
1073 [12:39:47] <dpkg> win32diskimager is much more reliable than <unetbootin> for copying ISO images to USB sticks and you can download it from replaced-url
1074 [12:39:50] <bazhang> 3rd party software to write iso to usb
1075 [12:40:10] <bazhang> windows tool afaict
1076 [12:40:17] <abrotman> yeah, don't do that. It probably breaks things the same way unetbootin does
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1084 [12:44:22] <sjk> checkrestart tells me openssh-server needs restarting. After doing 'service ssh restart', however, checkrestart still thinks ssh should be restarted. Why?
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1089 [12:46:29] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
1090 [12:46:53] <synaps3> hi
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1092 [12:49:55] <MrBar> Pepe, disable UEFI in bios
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1098 [12:53:37] <Pepe> MrBar thats not solution for me when I want UEFI
1099 [12:53:49] <Pepe> Abrotman I also tried win32diskimager, but same
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1105 [12:54:43] <MrBar> nobody wants UEFI
1106 [12:54:49] <Pepe> Said who? :D
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1110 [12:57:12] <SlaSerX> any have a ipv6 mail server ?
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1139 [13:11:24] <abrotman> well, he left, but many .. oh well
1140 [13:11:32] <abrotman> Pepe: same what?
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1142 [13:12:37] <Pepe> With Rufus or also with win32diskimager I can boot into UEFI installation. After I installed it succesfully and when I want boot OS, which I installed through UEFI. I cant. It says insert proper boot media
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1144 [13:15:15] <Pepe> W10, Ubuntu works, but Debian isnt
1145 [13:16:35] <abrotman> I've done UEFI with Jessie, it does work
1146 [13:18:32] <Pepe> Did you try it with Intel Bay Trail? Which want 32 bit UEFI, but system can run on 64 bit?
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1151 [13:20:24] <abrotman> This laptop is maybe a year old?
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1157 [13:24:31] <Pepe> 2 yrs old
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1160 [13:26:18] <Pepe> and its not laptop
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1167 [13:30:55] <BluesKaj> I thought I made a mistake wiping gpt and uefi off my 2013 vintage laptopa few weeks after I received it, now those regrets are gone :-)
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1174 [13:34:29] <LankanGuy> hii, im using raspbian, and where can i find the httpd.conf in it?
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1177 [13:36:53] <TomG2> !raspian
1178 [13:36:53] <dpkg> Raspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use #raspbian on irc.freenode.net for support. replaced-url
1179 [13:36:57] <TomG2> sorry
1180 [13:37:23] <abrotman> Pepe: try using the amd64 iso, not thte multiarch
1181 [13:37:46] <Pepe> I tried also this one
1182 [13:37:48] <Pepe> nothing works
1183 [13:38:13] <poorrick> Why is openvpn telling me that I must define a CA file even though I have a unified client profile?
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1191 [13:41:57] <TomG2> dpkg, uefi?
1192 [13:41:57] <dpkg> Unified Extensible Firmware Interface (UEFI) is a firmware interface specification, intended to replace the <BIOS> firmware interface. Debian 7 "Wheezy" and later releases support installation in (U)EFI mode on 64-bit PC systems (amd64), <secure boot> is currently not supported. replaced-url
1193 [13:42:12] <TomG2> there's also wiki.debian.org/UEFI i think
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1203 [13:46:52] <mvaenskae> cheers :) just doing another VM install to have a clean setup after toying around a lot -- i was curious as to what the "debian desktop environment" in the installer refers to
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1206 [13:48:50] <mvaenskae> and if it refers to gnome, then why have an option to install gnome "again"?
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1213 [13:51:13] <TomG2> mvaenskae, i have no idea
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1216 [13:51:47] <TomG2> and yes, i think debian means gnome when it says default debian desktop environment
1217 [13:52:04] <BluesKaj> yes it does
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1219 [13:52:51] <BluesKaj> that's why i chose kde :-)
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1224 [13:54:26] <TomG2> very funny :)
1225 [13:55:02] * BluesKaj shrugs , if you think it is
1226 [13:56:10] <BluesKaj> never been a gnome fan ...kde reminds of MS windows without the MS BS
1227 [13:56:53] <abrotman> mvaenskae: depending on the image you use, there can be many sub-options
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1234 [14:01:04] <Pepe> TomG2: from that page I know that I should download multiarch iso
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1240 [14:05:12] <jelly> MrBar: where was zfs usage of ram visible?
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1253 [14:11:39] <MrBar> jelly, nowhere, just unmount and unload module cant detect it
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1255 [14:12:40] <MrBar> jelly, zfs currently on linux (in debian) not show self cache in cached+buffers
1256 [14:13:11] <MrBar> jelly, not sure feature it or bug
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1266 [14:16:50] <sjk> How am I supposed to install a not ancient version of pip on Debian Jessie?
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1268 [14:17:23] <sjk> The python-pip package installs an ancient version. I can install that and then pip install -U pip, but that will leave the old version of pip installed because it is "owned by the os"
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1275 [14:19:55] <MrBar> sjk, use virtualenv and upgrade pip and setuptools in venv
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1284 [14:22:47] <TomG2> you can deinstall the original pip i guess and just use the new one
1285 [14:23:08] <sjk> MrBar: i usually do that (for django development etc). But this time i need pip to install a script that should be available to all users (or well, actually just one)
1286 [14:23:16] * abrotman thought you could use pip to upgrade pip ?
1287 [14:23:31] <sjk> but with a virtualenv that user would have to "workon <whatever>" before running the script, which is a bit of a hassle
1288 [14:23:48] <sjk> TomG2: hm, let's see
1289 [14:23:49] <MrBar> sjk, stable debian not too uptodate u know
1290 [14:24:20] <TomG2> what abrotman said...
1291 [14:24:25] <sjk> MrBar: i know. thinking there must be a bunch of python users running stable, just curious how they do it :)
1292 [14:24:26] <jelly> TomG2: that's insane, don't touch OS components
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1294 [14:24:34] <TomG2> is it possible to upgrade pip and then ...
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1296 [14:24:43] <TomG2> i didn't know pip was an essential OS component
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1298 [14:24:54] <jelly> it's _very_ possible to upgrade pip in a virtualenv.
1299 [14:25:12] <MrBar> python is essential
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1301 [14:25:59] <MrBar> pip can upgrade self
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1303 [14:26:12] <sjk> jelly: so, to install a script, i'd install python-pip, pip upgrade pip in a virtualenv, pip install my script in that virtualenv and then always have to activate that virtualenv in order to use the script?
1304 [14:26:28] <jelly> right
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1308 [14:27:31] <MrBar> u can delete python-pip, and put latest in /opt
1309 [14:27:32] <sjk> jelly: so, if I'd like to make the program available to multiple users, like throwing it in /usr/bin/ or similar, I'm better of coding it in C instead?
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1314 [14:28:08] <jelly> sjk: it's not that hard to make a wrapper for a venv.
1315 [14:28:23] <jelly> and put your custom stuff under /usr/local, not /usr
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1319 [14:30:41] <MrBar> and rewrite in C always good idea
1320 [14:30:44] <jelly> sjk: and if your other option is coding, you can still code it in python
1321 [14:30:55] * jelly looks at MrBar
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1323 [14:31:16] <MrBar> C not too bad
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1326 [14:32:08] <sjk> jelly: i did code the script. It's a set of modules + setup.py with CLI entry points. I'm just looking for a way to easily deploy this to a number of machines.
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1328 [14:32:21] <sjk> jelly: I was hoping to just be able to pip install git://...
1329 [14:32:51] <jelly> I have no idea how hard it is to make a .deb for python code
1330 [14:33:12] <sjk> Me neither, i've never createde any debs
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1332 [14:35:22] <TomTomTo1> sjk: and trying this with the version in jessie failed?
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1334 [14:35:47] <TomTomTo1> the one in jessie has vcs support.
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1341 [14:38:29] <MrBar> sjk, purge python-pip then replaced-url
1342 [14:38:48] <MrBar> sjk, replaced-url
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1360 [14:48:40] <zigs> ls
1361 [14:48:42] <zigs> dir
1362 [14:48:46] <zigs> cd /
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1365 [14:50:09] <dvs> mkfs!
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1367 [14:50:21] <Cl0udN9ne> ,v tor
1368 [14:50:22] <judd> Package: tor on amd64 -- wheezy: 0.2.4.27-1; wheezy-security: 0.2.4.27-3; jessie: 0.2.5.12-4; jessie-security: 0.2.5.12-4; jessie-backports: 0.2.9.9-1~bpo8+1; stretch: 0.2.9.10-1; sid: 0.2.9.10-1; experimental: 0.3.0.5-rc-1
1369 [14:50:48] <Cl0udN9ne> how do i check if a particular package is downloaded or not?
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1371 [14:52:06] <TomTomTo1> ls /var/cache/apt/archives/ | grep <pkg>
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1374 [14:52:55] <Cl0udN9ne> thnx
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1384 [14:54:20] <Cl0udN9ne> how do i make my tor package load from a particular config upon starting of the computer?
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1405 [15:04:25] <de-facto> Guys I want to install Mathematica which comes with a .sh script installer, ereplaced-url
1406 [15:04:34] <LankanGuy> hi, i mount a usb, /dev/sda5 /media/usbhdd ntfs uid=pi,gid=pi 0 0, i can read the file but cant write it, where did I went wrong? :)
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1409 [15:05:17] <RebelCoder> guys, I just can't find Debian 9 ISO ....
1410 [15:05:23] <missmbob> to write to ntfs you need to use ntfs-3g, not the kernel ntfs
1411 [15:05:24] <RebelCoder> can anyone link it please ?
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1414 [15:05:53] <zigs> replaced-url
1415 [15:06:13] <missmbob> RebelCoder: replaced-url
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1419 [15:07:21] <de-facto> RebelCoder, something like this in /etc/fstab might work: UUID=<put result of "ls -Al /dev/disk/by-uuid"> /mnt/TheDiskName ntfs-3g rw,noauto,nls=iso8859-1,permissions,users,exec,fmask=000,dmask=000 0 0
1420 [15:07:55] <missmbob> dont copy/paste because there's extra characters there your irc client may not be showing you
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1423 [15:08:06] <LankanGuy> so it will be, /dev/sda5 /media/usbhdd ntfs-3g uid=pi,gid=pi 0 0, or do i need to add rw as well?
1424 [15:08:28] <missmbob> add rw
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1430 [15:09:50] <Quatroking> yesterday during install i accidentally made /home 30GB and / 700GB
1431 [15:09:58] <Quatroking> can I still fix this or do I have to reinstall?
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1434 [15:10:57] <Quatroking> I was thinking about grabbing gparted and and resizing the partitions
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1436 [15:11:18] <nkuttler> ,v bluez-utils
1437 [15:11:19] <judd> Package: bluez-utils on amd64 -- wheezy: 4.99-2
1438 [15:11:31] <nkuttler> !bluetooth
1439 [15:11:31] <dpkg> Bluetooth is a wireless communications protocol (replaced-url
1440 [15:11:36] <LankanGuy> this is what i got now, /dev/sda5 /mnt/usb ntfs-3g rw,uid=pi,gid=pi 0 0
1441 [15:11:37] <LankanGuy> still cant write it :(
1442 [15:11:42] <nkuttler> that seems outdated
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1461 [15:18:23] * dan hi
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1463 [15:18:45] * Quatroking hey
1464 [15:18:50] <LankanGuy> I tryed , /dev/sda5 /mnt/usb ntfs-3g defaults 0 0
1465 [15:18:50] <LankanGuy> same issue :(
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1476 [15:24:44] <dvs> LankanGuy, instead of "defaults", use "rw,user,noauto" ?
1477 [15:24:55] <missmbob> ubuntu wiki says this should work for rw: UUID=519CB82E5888AD0F /media/Data ntfs-3g defaults,windows_names,locale=en_US.utf8 0 0
1478 [15:25:03] <sashimi> morning/evening. I'm trying to figure out why my bluetooth keyboard only works the seco nd time I connect it. I can see from the udev events that it's not treated as a keyboard the first time it's connected, only the second time. here's the paste replaced-url
1479 [15:25:06] <missmbob> of course replace UUID
1480 [15:25:38] <missmbob> LankanGuy: are you rebooting? or umount/mount?
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1482 [15:26:15] <sashimi> entries 2,3,4 is me turning off bluetooth from the gnome widget, then there's the reconnect and the keyboard setup
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1497 [15:33:42] <poseid> hello i was doing a dist upgrade from wheezy to jessie, and i get now an "oh no! something has gone wrong"
1498 [15:33:56] <poseid> but when i press "log out" i come back to this screen again
1499 [15:34:06] <poseid> maybe it is the gnome config file which i did not update... =
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1501 [15:34:30] <poseid> but how can i debug this, and what to do (cold restart, key combination to enter console mode, ... ) ?
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1503 [15:36:15] <jelly> poseid: Ctrl-Alt-F1 ought to get you to the text console
1504 [15:37:10] <poseid> ok
1505 [15:37:51] <poseid> hmm.. maybe there is something with the display driver? i see cannot open display default display..
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1508 [15:38:47] <missmbob> my guess is you're using fglrx which in jessie isnt compatible with gnome
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1511 [15:39:51] <poseid> in /var/log/messages i dont see any errors or problems
1512 [15:40:09] <missmbob> !fglrx
1513 [15:40:09] <dpkg> fglrx / AMD Catalyst is the proprietary display driver for AMD Radeon R9 200 series, Radeon R7 200 series, Radeon HD 8000/7000/6000/5000 and FirePro graphic processing units. To install fglrx, see replaced-url
1514 [15:40:41] <poseid> yes, indeed it is an amd64 machine with radion gfx chip
1515 [15:40:51] <missmbob> i win
1516 [15:41:37] <poseid> thanks, i ll try that deb repo and driver install
1517 [15:41:56] <missmbob> radeon is on the main repo
1518 [15:42:01] <zigs> 3d graphics is kind of terrible with amd cards
1519 [15:42:07] <poseid> for future laptops, what would be good combination for gfx chips and main cpu?
1520 [15:42:31] <poseid> the gfx driver problem is coming up everytime i get an old/new laptop and install debian there
1521 [15:42:35] <zigs> nvidia with intel/ryzen
1522 [15:42:37] <missmbob> radeon driver is great. you can still use amd
1523 [15:43:32] <zigs> no amd card comes close to nvidia cards on linux
1524 [15:43:54] <missmbob> you usually dont have an option for laptops
1525 [15:44:52] <Eden> the newer cards do, but you need amdgpu, linux 4.11+, llvm 3.9, mesa 17
1526 [15:45:49] <zigs> with nvidia you only need to download their driver off the website
1527 [15:46:03] <missmbob> horrible advice. no one should do that
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1529 [15:46:18] <zigs> if you want the latest
1530 [15:46:45] <missmbob> if you want to break debian
1531 [15:47:37] <zigs> that's why you backup your x11
1532 [15:47:52] <BluesKaj> zigs, don't tell users to use the nvidia site drivers, after the next kernel update your sytem will break due to lack of driver support
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1543 [15:55:57] <rattatoue> I am trying to get AirPrint setup with my cups, but I am having issues. My device can see the printer and let me print, but the job never starts in Cups. I can't find a log to see any errors that might be causing it.
1544 [15:56:04] * fx- !! URGENCY !! replaced-url
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1548 [15:57:48] <BluesKaj> *fx- if you want urgent help , don't post urls , tell us your problem
1549 [15:58:21] <fx-> Title: Los Cedros: An Urgent Call-to-Action
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1551 [15:58:26] <teraflops> fx-: also do not spam the entire freenode
1552 [15:58:44] <fx-> sorry, its urgent for this planet
1553 [15:58:59] <fx-> i dont care if i break some channel rules
1554 [15:59:33] <rattatoue> Is there a way to view logs for avahi-daemon?
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1556 [16:00:29] <teraflops> rattatoue: I already told you so
1557 [16:00:33] <teraflops> journalctl
1558 [16:00:48] <petn-randall> fx-: There are many urgent issues on this planet, and they're all off-topic in here unless it's a Debian support question. Luckily, there are many channels where it's not off-topic. Try those.
1559 [16:00:50] <rattatoue> teraflops, that doesnt show anything about avahi though
1560 [16:00:59] <teraflops> rattatoue: use sudo
1561 [16:01:13] <teraflops> rattatoue: or add your user to the related group
1562 [16:01:31] <poseid> graphics looks smoother now but unsure if this was the full issue
1563 [16:01:38] <poseid> gnome is still halting with oh no...
1564 [16:01:52] <BluesKaj> *fx- following the rules will get you some help, otherwise you'll just be ignored
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1567 [16:02:35] <rattatoue> teraflops, still not seeing any error, so thought maybe there was another log I was missing. This is why I like android more, wouldnt have to deal with all this lol
1568 [16:02:36] <teraflops> rattatoue: `sudo journalctl -u avahi-daemon` works in debian jessie
1569 [16:02:49] <rattatoue> teraflops, ill try that thanks
1570 [16:03:09] <teraflops> rattatoue: you dont see any errors or you do not see anything?
1571 [16:03:44] <teraflops> if you do not have errors there but there is output I misread your issue
1572 [16:03:48] <rattatoue> teraflops, any errors, its as if it doesn't do anything when I hit print. Cups has no error, avahi has no errors
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1578 [16:06:26] <tga> greetings
1579 [16:07:04] <James123> I have a bash script that has: find "$1" -name *"$2"*. How can I prevent shell wildcard expansion in *"$2"*? Trying '*"$2"*' does not allow the interpretation of "$2"... any ideas?
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1581 [16:07:19] <tga> I want to grab all files in a dir recursively and mv them into date dirs, deleting duplicates and appending an index to different files with the same name
1582 [16:07:35] <tga> do you know of any tool that would make this easy, so I don't have to duct tape it together in the shell?
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1584 [16:07:53] <tga> knowing myself I'll make a typo somewhere and rm half my files
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1597 [16:12:17] <jelly> tga: well for one thing you can experiment by making a separate tree and do ln instead of mv
1598 [16:12:46] <jelly> if you're on a sane filesystem type that has hardlinks (ie. not ntfs or fat)
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1600 [16:13:22] <tga> yeah, it's just a bit difficult to make sure I haven't screwed anything up with a lot of files
1601 [16:13:22] <jelly> James123: just put those * inside ""
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1607 [16:14:35] <tga> is there a file util like rsync that would help with doing stuff like that?
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1609 [16:15:36] <tga> for example cp/mv x y that would keep both files if they're not identical
1610 [16:16:05] <MrBar> hi, i update my memory analyser replaced-url
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1644 [16:33:29] <Eduard_Munteanu> tga, rsync has the --backup option
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1668 [16:45:02] <smhar> greetings
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1674 [16:47:04] <smhar> I have a laptop with debian jessie installed. recently I also installed stretch on another partition, both now share the same swap partition. But now, when I boot into jessie, the system hangs for very long time. I tried rescue mode and fund that it hangs on this line:
1675 [16:47:30] <smhar> Begin: Running /scripts/local-premount ...
1676 [16:48:03] <smhar> I enter root password and I am able to proceed to X normally
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1678 [16:48:14] <smhar> what could be the issue?
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1736 [17:25:59] <tga> Eduard_Munteanu: thanks, so far rsync is the closest thing to what I need
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1748 [17:29:01] <Corin> My displayport isn't working. Is there anything I'm supposed to install to get it to work?
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1769 [17:37:43] <BluesKaj> Corin, which gpu and driver?
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1792 [17:50:38] <n8w1ng> hey
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1794 [17:50:42] <n8w1ng> do u guys know what to do about this pulseaudio error: module-detect is deprecated: Please use module-udev-detect instead of module-detect!
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1801 [17:53:33] <missmbob> n8w1ng: see if this does it load-module module-udev-detect ignore_dB=1
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1804 [17:54:44] <missmbob> (in /etc/pulse/default.pa)
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1810 [17:56:58] <donatas> Debian 8.7 xfce how do I install language pack? Can not find package language-pack-xx (xx language)
1811 [17:57:30] <towo`> language pack for what?
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1813 [17:57:49] <teraflops> donatas: xfce is not FireFox...
1814 [17:57:53] <donatas> for UI
1815 [17:58:09] <towo`> xfce does not use any language pack
1816 [17:58:15] <petn-randall> donatas: Ask your real question.
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1818 [17:58:17] <donatas> how do you set then ?
1819 [17:58:27] <towo`> it starts in the language, which is set as default language
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1822 [17:59:11] <donatas> ok. So how do you change default language ?
1823 [17:59:28] <towo`> donatas, dpkg-reconfigure loacales
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1827 [17:59:52] <missmbob> spelled correctly, of course
1828 [17:59:54] <n8w1ng> missmbob: hmm doesnt seem to work
1829 [18:00:02] <donatas> Do I need to worry about env variables, not really sure what these are for ?
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1831 [18:00:05] <missmbob> n8w1ng: did you restart pulse?
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1835 [18:00:45] <n8w1ng> missmbob: fcourse
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1838 [18:01:36] <n8w1ng> missmbob: it didnt get started...
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1842 [18:02:29] <n8w1ng> missmbob: i did: pulseaudio --dump-modules n the module-udev-detect is not there
1843 [18:02:51] <n8w1ng> missmbob: i mean it is not listed among other modules
1844 [18:02:59] <donatas> oh. I do not need variables configured, so please disregard :) Found explanation on debian site
1845 [18:03:22] <missmbob> n8w1ng: then you're not using debian
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1849 [18:04:26] <sonion_> missboob: should we hang him?
1850 [18:04:37] <donatas> what this command # export LANG=es_ES.UTF-8 suppose to do ?
1851 [18:04:57] <donatas> do I need to use it if I use dpkg ?
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1853 [18:05:13] <missmbob> sonion_: channel policy is only debian support. he can go to wherever his distro belongs
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1856 [18:06:17] <n8w1ng> missmbob: ye i get what u mean...sry, i just though the issues is a bit less distro specific
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1858 [18:06:24] <sonion_> sets a LANG variable to unicode espanola
1859 [18:06:24] <pos> Anyone have *any* idea at all what can cause a LUKS volume and keyfile not to work on one system but work just fine on another?
1860 [18:07:08] <sonion_> donatas: ^^ what does locale give it should already be set on your system
1861 [18:07:38] <sonion_> pos: permissions?
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1864 [18:08:18] <rattatoue> alright I give lol, been at trying to get this printer to AirPrint for almost two weeks. Ill just fold and go buy a one with compatibility. This is causing me a headache. Thanks for the help guys
1865 [18:08:19] <pos> sonion_, i've tried as locally logged-in root on both
1866 [18:09:15] <n8w1ng> missmbob: n thx for your help...gotta stick with *buntu channels:)
1867 [18:09:17] <sonion_> rattatoue: what does cat file > /dev/lp0 do?
1868 [18:09:41] <sonion_> pos: what is the errors?
1869 [18:10:03] <rattatoue> sonion_, permission denied
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1871 [18:10:24] <teclo-> rattatoue: I thought gettin AirPrint to work with "any printer" on Debian GNU/Linux was possible
1872 [18:10:28] <sonion_> are your root?
1873 [18:10:33] <teclo-> rattatoue: there should be some resources about that
1874 [18:10:35] <pos> sonion_, no key is available using this passphrase
1875 [18:10:37] <sonion_> check permissions of /dev/lp0
1876 [18:10:38] <rattatoue> sonion_, normal user
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1878 [18:10:52] <donatas> just used it dpkg, have to log out and log it to check if it works
1879 [18:10:54] <teclo-> basically AirPrint uses standard technologies such as mDNS, PDF, Zeroconf
1880 [18:10:57] <sonion_> no such thing as a normal user
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1882 [18:11:16] <rattatoue> teclo-, there are a lot of resources avaliable, but I have been through 10 pages on google. Even arch linux pages. Reinstalled a few times and still it just doesn't print.
1883 [18:11:35] <rattatoue> Well to be more specific, I send the print from my Ipad and it never appears in CUPS active job.
1884 [18:11:47] <rattatoue> sonion_, I am not under root, but I can switch to it
1885 [18:12:32] <teclo-> with cups
1886 [18:12:44] <teclo-> sonion_: no, AirPrint doesn't use /dev/lp0 ;)
1887 [18:12:59] <pos> sonion_, re: /dev/lp0 <--- for me?
1888 [18:13:05] <pos> sonion_, i doubt it :)
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1892 [18:14:11] <sonion_> so this airprint thing is wireless? or usb ? unlike my epson mx80 connected to /dev/lp0
1893 [18:14:15] <donatas> Debian just started to talk in my native language, which as great :) Thanks for help
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1895 [18:14:38] <rattatoue> sonion_, the printer is connect with usb and installed with hplip
1896 [18:14:43] <teclo-> sonion_: it's wireless
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1899 [18:14:58] <teclo-> sonion_: using pdf, cups, zeroconf, and mdns over tcp/ip
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1902 [18:16:36] <sonion_> is the driver installed for this magic usb wireless printer?
1903 [18:16:46] <teclo-> sonion_: it's not usb
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1905 [18:17:21] <teclo-> sonion_: you just need a cups server with the driver for the printer
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1907 [18:18:01] <teclo-> AirPrint works with "any AirPrint compatible printer" so AirPrint does not require any driver
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1912 [18:20:48] <sonion_> he said it was usb
1913 [18:21:24] <rattatoue> sonion_, its hooked up to the machine by usb, but I am trying to print to it through AirPrint
1914 [18:21:28] <rattatoue> from my Ipad
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1922 [18:23:34] <rattatoue> If it helps, I just did lp -p file, on the box and it is printing just fine. So the printer works
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1928 [18:25:22] <sonion_> rattatoue: good - can you ping the ip of the printer?
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1930 [18:25:42] <sonion_> (tcp/ip is working)
1931 [18:25:42] <rattatoue> sonion_, yes
1932 [18:25:59] <rattatoue> I can ping the machine the printer is hooked up to, the printer itself isn't network capable
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1936 [18:27:20] <Artemis3> donatas, and the channel #debian-es does as well...
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1945 [18:31:25] <rattatoue> Best I have been able to narrow it down to is avahi isn't sending the print job to cups right. I can print every other way I have tried, just not airprint. It never ques up a job on CUPS. If it said filter failed or printer offline etc, I could try that. I even have the debug from cups when I try to print. It doesn't even have an error. Error log says nothing, same with journal -u avahi-daemon. I have tried a lot of options. Just trying to cover
1946 [18:31:25] <rattatoue> everything.
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1961 [18:38:01] <xco611> good dumps shop replaced-url
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1987 [18:52:07] <vverdy> how to fix
1988 [18:52:29] <missmbob> !sparky
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1990 [18:52:29] <dpkg> SparkyLinux is a Linux distribution based on <testing>. It is not supported in #debian or #debian-next. replaced-url
1991 [18:52:56] <vverdy> sadness
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2010 [19:03:12] <sonion_> new distro ... sparkysteam
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2053 [19:27:42] <RebelCoder> Guys, just after a fresh Debian install.. fonts on my Chromium and some code editors are bad.... Debian 8 I think did not have that problem.
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2058 [19:28:15] <missmbob> ask the stretch guys. #debian-next on oftc
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2060 [19:28:20] <RebelCoder> I have installed ttf fonts, rebooted, still the same
2061 [19:28:40] <RebelCoder> Invites only :(
2062 [19:28:44] <missmbob> oftc
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2166 [20:06:49] <Quatroking> is it possible to allow sudo service --status-all to be ran without root
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2169 [20:07:32] <TomG2> i dunno, i'll try it
2170 [20:08:00] <TomG2> yep, works fine, though you have to specify /usr/sbin/service
2171 [20:08:19] <Quatroking> oh nice
2172 [20:08:24] <Quatroking> then I can throw that in my aliases
2173 [20:08:30] <TomG2> you can usually try harmless commands on linux yourself :)
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2176 [20:08:44] <TomG2> you can create a separate user if you want to be completely safe
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2179 [20:08:51] <Quatroking> yeah I wasn't aware that I could just grab service straight from the directory
2180 [20:09:07] <TomG2> yeah it's just not in the path by default on UNIX if you're not a super user
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2311 [20:10:31] <Quatroking> Yep, that works fine, aliased it as "services". Thanks TomG2
2312 [20:10:54] <TomG2> np
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2394 [20:27:33] <jim> oeopt, can I help you?
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2398 [20:28:42] <jim> Received a CTCP TIME and VERSION from oeopt
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2403 [20:30:25] <jim> so, oeopt is probably using the channel to come up with people to send ctcp to
2404 [20:30:51] <sonion_> jim: i think you are wasting your deep forensic skills
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2407 [20:31:15] <sonion_> can you please devote your energy to the ransomware fiasco
2408 [20:31:16] <missmbob> how do you figure? i hadn't gotten one but have since put oeopt on /ignore
2409 [20:31:48] <jim> it wasn't much... the only channels I have in common with oeopt is this one
2410 [20:31:51] <sonion_> missmbob: how do you do /ignore?
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2412 [20:32:26] <missmbob> "/ignore oeopt" without quotes into your irc client
2413 [20:33:39] <sonion_> isn't oeopt the freenode chief of security or propaganda - i forgets which
2414 [20:34:02] <sonion_> you put him on ignore at your own peril is the message i get
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2423 [20:35:50] <missmbob> it's a freebox server. those are only used for spamming
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2430 [20:38:30] <nickgaw> Hi, with a two partition setup with one TB of space should I be able to install xen and some guests?
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2442 [20:46:38] <smhar> greetings
2443 [20:46:58] <smhar> I have a laptop with debian jessie installed. recently I also installed stretch on another partition, both now share the same swap partition. But now, when I boot into jessie, the system hangs for very long time. I tried rescue mode and fund that it hangs on this line:
2444 [20:47:05] <smhar> Begin: Running /scripts/local-premount ...
2445 [20:47:08] <smhar> what could be the issue?
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2447 [20:47:28] <smhar> when I enter root password I am able to proceed to X normally
2448 [20:47:47] <jmcnaught> smhar: i'm about to head out, but in jessie once it ffinishes booting try "systemd-analyze blame" to see what takes so long... good luck
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2450 [20:47:49] <luciferthedevil> hey i'm facing kernel panic any suggestions /
2451 [20:48:23] <jt> xanax
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2453 [20:48:26] <hubot> How can I restrict access to Glassfish to users that are in a VPN network using shorewall?
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2455 [20:48:50] <sonion_> use iptables and its successor instead
2456 [20:49:10] <sonion_> luciferthedevil: everyone has to go sometime
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2463 [20:50:14] <sonion_> facing / looking forward to it / have it already ... options are almost endless with what you said
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2465 [20:50:48] <nickgaw> What page talks about security enhanced linux on debian?
2466 [20:51:16] <sonion_> the one on the nsa site is bestest
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2469 [20:51:31] <sonion_> nickgaw: you do know they don't use it themselves right?
2470 [20:51:56] <sonion_> but feel free to use it yourself
2471 [20:51:59] <nickgaw> so what should I read to get it woring?
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2473 [20:52:06] <sonion_> guts
2474 [20:52:22] <sonion_> lack of insight intot he real world?
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2477 [20:53:15] <sonion_> i think they even have a freenode channel ?
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2485 [20:59:36] <petn-randall> sonion_: Where do you have this info from? AFAICS they developed it in-house, then decided to merge it into the upstream kernel.
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2487 [20:59:58] <petn-randall> nickgaw: I'd start reading here: replaced-url
2488 [21:00:20] <sonion_> selinux was not developed by debian ? lol you know how to google son?
2489 [21:00:46] <nickgaw> yes but I meant like what packages should I install and configure them properly.
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2492 [21:00:54] <sonion_> red hat was more a culprit ^h^h^h backer
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2494 [21:01:29] <sonion_> nickgaw: just don't click on links in emails nor go to sites from china or romania etc
2495 [21:01:44] <nickgaw> I never do that.
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2497 [21:02:23] <sonion_> so who don't you want to give access to files . you do know about rbash and file/dir permissions right?
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2499 [21:02:37] <Eden> does Debian keep an up to date set of policies for the system or is it a case of having to build from the ground up when adding extras security like selinux etc.?
2500 [21:02:41] <nickgaw> yes
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2502 [21:03:03] <TomG2> smhar, i don't know... maybe there's a way to make the initial ramdisk verbose
2503 [21:03:09] <nickgaw> mainly other accounts on the system. is it mainly used for systems with lots of users?
2504 [21:03:11] <missmbob> debian's selinux policy is blank. you have to do it all yourself
2505 [21:03:18] <missmbob> it's really not useable as is
2506 [21:03:27] <Eden> ah ok, thats unfortunate but good to know
2507 [21:03:46] <sonion_> that ought to tell you something about selinux and what is thought about it
2508 [21:03:50] <dondelelcaro> making a good selinux policy is really, really difficult, which is why Debian basically punts
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2511 [21:04:18] <sonion_> dondelelcaro: that is a very poor excuse -
2512 [21:04:25] <nickgaw> so for a single system there are better options?
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2514 [21:04:32] <Eden> i take it the same is to be said for alternatives like apparmour?
2515 [21:04:40] <missmbob> yes
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2518 [21:05:18] <dondelelcaro> sonion_: it would be great if someone could figure out how to do it distribution wide and produce a sensible default
2519 [21:05:40] <sonion_> dondelecaro debian has some very smart people - you know the reason you gave isn't even real/right/etc do they punt on anythign else?
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2521 [21:06:15] <sonion_> why support selinux when the people who made it don't even use it?
2522 [21:06:19] <dondelelcaro> sonion_: sure; we punt on all sorts of things. Debian is a volunteer project
2523 [21:06:37] <Eden> id think on debian over most other distros implimenting mac be it selinux or apparmour wouldnt be difficult in the long run. im guessing its just lack of resources, but its an odd ommission considering some of the other sec oriented goings on with debian
2524 [21:06:37] <dondelelcaro> sonion_: oh, the people who made it *do* use it. They just write their own policy which is specific to their use case
2525 [21:06:42] <petn-randall> !tell sonion_ -about lol
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2527 [21:07:23] <sonion_> petn-randall: i am an aol user? isn't this aol chat? ooops sorry
2528 [21:07:50] <sonion_> is it better if i use lolz?
2529 [21:07:54] <dondelelcaro> (we do distribute a policy too, but it breaks things if you run it with strict)
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2534 [21:09:07] <missmbob> hell i was an aol user. doesnt that just mean you arent a fetus?
2535 [21:09:27] <johnkeates> we never had aol
2536 [21:09:31] <johnkeates> it's an american thing i guess
2537 [21:09:40] <sonion_> luciferthedevil: do you have any errors? before the panic sets in?
2538 [21:09:53] <nickgaw> So to secure my system on debian are there any tools I can install?
2539 [21:10:04] <sonion_> johnkeates: i can sell you 1232 aol cd's real cheap ;)
2540 [21:10:33] <missmbob> nickgaw: iptables
2541 [21:10:51] <sonion_> nickgaw: start with rbash and a restricted user - you can control their bash_profile bashrc etc
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2543 [21:11:18] <sonion_> luciferthedevil: in das channel please i can't keep typing /msg i have no m key
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2546 [21:11:58] <luciferthedevil> ok
2547 [21:12:09] <luciferthedevil> i was getting unexpected ')' something like this checked forms but this questions is unanswered kernel 4.8.0-51-generic
2548 [21:12:12] <sonion_> unexpected ')' ? what is before that error meessage
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2550 [21:12:21] <johnkeates> i have two m keys
2551 [21:12:24] <johnkeates> you want one?
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2556 [21:12:39] <sonion_> which one can you spare?
2557 [21:12:44] <nickgaw> ok I will look into that.
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2559 [21:12:47] <johnkeates> the one on the left
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2561 [21:12:54] <johnkeates> it's the capital M
2562 [21:12:57] <johnkeates> but it's still good
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2564 [21:13:21] <sonion_> i don't use caps - i learned on aol that it is considered shouting
2565 [21:13:25] <johnkeates> oh :(
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2567 [21:13:33] <johnkeates> well, sorry, no M for you then
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2571 [21:13:56] <johnkeates> maybe an N + / will do? an m is like an n with an extra / anyway
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2573 [21:14:23] <sonion_> i learned unicode bitmapping so it is really some viking rune gone bad
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2575 [21:14:40] <johnkeates> sounds like how bluetooth's rune came to be
2576 [21:14:47] <sonion_> i'll bet you can't tell mmm
2577 [21:14:47] <johnkeates> 'lets just stick some stuff together'
2578 [21:15:37] <johnkeates> i have this 'slightly used, partially broken' version: ɱ
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2582 [21:16:35] <sonion_> partially broken >> slight used ... i can see you are an ebay guy :)
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2584 [21:16:54] <johnkeates> gotta get those cheap 1u rack units somewhere... ;-)
2585 [21:17:01] <sonion_> i have bought a few slightly used stuffs on ebay
2586 [21:17:07] <johnkeates> the stuff people sell on there for cheap
2587 [21:17:29] <johnkeates> tear out the mobo, stick a nice embedded one in there, and suddenly you have a nice 1u server for a 10th of the price
2588 [21:17:50] <sonion_> i guess lucer... had to go his mom's house
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2590 [21:17:53] <johnkeates> i mean, those 'security' devices from the 'security' vendors that can't be trusted anyway
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2592 [21:18:14] <sonion_> did you see the secure email server that was really a rasp pi?
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2595 [21:18:47] <johnkeates> they are always most basic 1u chassis + basic intel core era hardware sold for 25k because of the magic sauce and name brand labels
2596 [21:18:52] <johnkeates> yeah, its a shame
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2598 [21:19:10] <johnkeates> in my country, someone developed 'keezel' which is basically a piehole with vpn and wifi relay
2599 [21:19:19] <sonion_> was fun to read replaced-url
2600 [21:19:21] <johnkeates> and they are selling it as if it's the next best thing
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2604 [21:21:00] <sonion_> or did his kernel panic propegate to his working kernel ..
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2611 [21:23:01] <sonion_> what happened to the guy making fun of my aol accent? those who don't learn from computer history are bound to repeat it ..
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2613 [21:23:36] <sonion_> old apple 1 shells with a rasp pi inside
2614 [21:23:59] <TomG2> pie flavour!
2615 [21:24:56] <missmbob> replaced-url
2616 [21:24:59] <sonion_> now i remember why i have to go to walmart today ... they have started making their lemon pies again ... they are really good
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2620 [21:27:05] <sonion_> that looks opensource ... any room in the linguistic world for an ebonics aol?
2621 [21:28:03] <missmbob> efnet i'm sure
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2626 [21:28:35] <sonion_> i actually have been boycotting walmart since they lied to me about them going to sell notebooks with linux on it and never did
2627 [21:28:44] <sonion_> dalnet too
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2632 [21:32:11] <Quatroking> if i want to change parameters of a samba usershare, do I just throw it in global?
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2634 [21:32:42] <BillKGR> Quatroking, never used it but the logic is definitely wrong
2635 [21:33:03] <missmbob> it's windows based software. of course it's wrong
2636 [21:33:11] <Quatroking> heyoooo
2637 [21:33:26] <missmbob> there is always #samba
2638 [21:33:30] <Quatroking> yeah normally I'd throw it in the share itself but in this case the share isn't defined
2639 [21:33:35] <Quatroking> I was unaware of that channel
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2646 [21:38:25] <sonion_> Quatroking: why no share definition?
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2648 [21:38:50] <sonion_> you gotta have shares
2649 [21:39:13] <sonion_> they are there at the bottom of the smb.conf
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2666 [21:47:13] <Quatroking> sonion_, right now I log in with windows and it gives me a share with my username that's the home folder
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2668 [21:48:31] <sonion_> it is the default
2669 [21:48:51] <sonion_> but look in the smb.conf you will have shares there that you can play with
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2685 [21:57:53] <Quatroking> sonion_, yeah but I want symlinks to work in the default share
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2690 [21:58:40] <pacha> how do I remap Caps Lock to pause/unpause mpd? the command would be `mpc toggle`, I have `setxkbmap -option caps:none`
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2695 [22:00:02] <fryguy> pacha: you'll want to remap capslock to some other key, maybe hyper, and then have a binding for that key
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2699 [22:02:34] <sonion_> Quatroking: ymlinks = yes
2700 [22:02:38] <sonion_> Quatroking: symlinks = yes
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2702 [22:02:57] <sonion_> pacha: xmodmap ma man
2703 [22:03:00] <Quatroking> and I put those in global?
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2707 [22:04:14] <sonion_> try global first - but don't you have stuff at the bottom of the smb.conf for shares?
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2709 [22:04:53] <Quatroking> other than the share I use for games for my Retropie, all I got is the printers and the default [homes] which I don't use
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2718 [22:10:43] <pacha> thanks
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2779 [22:43:46] <synaps3> hi i would like to use debian as mainos, but i'm a bit confused about what image to download
2780 [22:44:03] <synaps3> i run 64bit processor
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2783 [22:44:29] <fryguy> synaps3: do you have an internet connection available during installation time?
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2786 [22:44:52] <synaps3> i have wireless usb
2787 [22:44:59] <fryguy> synaps3: you probably want this then: replaced-url
2788 [22:45:01] <sonion_> isn't the dvd way still best for first time installing?
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2790 [22:45:40] <synaps3> i would also go with full dvd, but cant find the link to it, only cd1, cd2 etc
2791 [22:45:41] * fryguy shrugs
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2793 [22:45:54] <sonion_> fryguy: isn't that what you have him?
2794 [22:46:03] <sonion_> nvm
2795 [22:46:06] <fryguy> replaced-url
2796 [22:46:37] <fryguy> there's the full dvds if you prefer
2797 [22:46:48] <synaps3> will netinstall download contents of all 3dvds while installing ?
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2799 [22:46:56] <sonion_> synaps3: i'd do the dvd install until you are a debian expert then next time do the netinst
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2801 [22:47:49] <sonion_> and make all the mistakes you can in the beginning and write them down so as not to repeat later
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2803 [22:48:18] <synaps3> ok then i need all 3dvds or not ?
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2805 [22:49:27] <Sark> synaps3: you don't need all the DVDs, only the Netinst disc.
2806 [22:49:50] <Sark> The wonderful thing about Debian is that the installer and the package manager can download from the 'net as files are needed.
2807 [22:50:12] <Sark> So, provided you have a high speed Internet connection available on the computer you will be installing on, there is no need to download more than just the netinst disc.
2808 [22:50:35] <Sark> It'll only download what it needs as it goes, so only whatever you tell it to install.
2809 [22:50:43] <missmbob> synaps3: i havent download full images since floppie days.
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2816 [22:55:01] <sonion_> missmbob: i have tons of unopened 5 1/4" floppies if you get nostagic?
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2821 [22:59:30] <John> hi all, got a bit of a problem
2822 [23:00:14] <John> i'm running some program, and my RAM usage is creeping up. I'm 50% sure i'll run out of RAM before the computation is finished. If that happens, the last 10 hours of computing on this server will be lost :/
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2825 [23:00:26] <John> So, er, how do i make some swap space, like 50Gb?
2826 [23:00:30] <John> That should tide me over.
2827 [23:00:36] <John> At the moment i have 0
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2829 [23:01:13] <missmbob> sonion_: that would be fun to have :) lucky. i bet they're mcafee
2830 [23:01:14] <koollman> John: easiest is probably to install swapspace.
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2832 [23:01:46] <John> Sure, awesome - how do i do that? )I'm on 107/129Gb right now. When i get to 129 the bomb blows up
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2834 [23:01:48] <John> lol
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2837 [23:02:24] <sonion_> mkswap - do you have unused disk - i;d use a usb drive - don't run a partition manager on the running system
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2839 [23:03:15] <John> yeah the partitioning a running system (thats a RAID0) was what i was worried about, but the idea of using a USB stick is genius! That will be easy to figure out
2840 [23:03:17] <sonion_> John: we can make this into a computer thriller with eva green - i don't think she has done a hacker movie yet
2841 [23:04:08] <John> woah, im surprised actually. She looks like the sort of person a guy who knows nothing about hacking would put in that sort of role
2842 [23:04:10] <sonion_> when the program hits swap all her clothes magically drop off
2843 [23:04:15] <John> hahahahah
2844 [23:04:33] <koollman> John: but if you want immediately that swap space, and you have 50GB of free space: dd if=/dev/zero of=swapfile bs=1M count=51200 ; chown 600 swapfile; mkswap -f swapfile ; swapon swapfile
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2846 [23:05:01] <John> koollman: will it nuke my existing partition
2847 [23:05:06] <John> shit i'm at 111/129
2848 [23:05:16] <sonion_> koollman: he will make a typo an the thing will crash and we/humanity will lose out on his cure for cancer
2849 [23:05:22] <koollman> John: it's a file. do you have 50GB of free space ?
2850 [23:05:22] <John> Oh phew, back down to 109/129
2851 [23:05:40] <John> oooh
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2853 [23:05:41] <koollman> sonion_: maybe. but he could get a new superpower, or something
2854 [23:05:45] <John> ok awesome i'll try it
2855 [23:06:19] <sonion_> i think John is the ransomwear guy
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2860 [23:07:15] <koollman> John: but still I prefer the swapspace program. apt-get install swapspace. shoul
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2862 [23:07:22] <koollman> *should work by default
2863 [23:08:39] <John> So, i mean, i've typed the command in, ready to hit enter
2864 [23:09:00] <John> But this has to work because if i have to restart the programs i'll never have this done by monday morning
2865 [23:09:21] <John> ok running....
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2867 [23:09:43] <John> htop hasn't shown anything yet :/
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2869 [23:10:10] <John> Should it take a long time? I guess i should just wait.
2870 [23:10:21] <koollman> John: depends how fast you can write 50GB
2871 [23:10:31] <sonion_> just stare at the clock is what i suggest
2872 [23:10:34] <John> I mean it should take a second
2873 [23:10:42] <John> RAID0 over 4 SDDs
2874 [23:10:49] * John is scared.
2875 [23:11:06] <sonion_> sweat scarred or just itchy scared?
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2877 [23:11:32] <John> sweat scared. I've never been itcy scared.
2878 [23:11:39] <John> although now i'm thinking about itchyness, i'm itchy
2879 [23:12:01] <sonion_> itchy scarred -> rubbing palms and pant legs
2880 [23:12:05] <John> ok i'm worried something's wrong. It's just hanging now
2881 [23:12:11] <John> Should i Ctrl+C?
2882 [23:12:28] <koollman> do you have another term to see the file size ?
2883 [23:12:30] <sonion_> whoa we need a 109/129 reading
2884 [23:12:51] <John> it's been up and down, but right now 105/129
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2886 [23:13:07] <koollman> (it's like a bomb countdown, except we have many ways to stop the bomb, we're just looking around :) )
2887 [23:13:21] <John> 104.....104......104......104....104.....104.......105.....105.....106....106.....105....105...
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2889 [23:13:41] <John> hahah, yeah
2890 [23:13:50] <koollman> do you happen to know if the program would react badly to being paused ?
2891 [23:14:04] <John> it feels like it. Also df -h is showing free disk space going down, which is promising
2892 [23:14:27] <John> koollman: i wrote the tool, it's Python and numpy tables, but i have no idea because i've never paused one of my tools
2893 [23:14:29] <koollman> ls -lh swapfile. should get to 50GB soon enough considering the use of ssd
2894 [23:14:39] <John> also, the disk only has like 40Gb free now
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2898 [23:15:07] <John> Thats the downside to RAID0 SSDs - i didn't have the cash to buy the spricy SSds
2899 [23:15:12] <John> *pricey. Not spicey.
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2901 [23:15:31] <John> oh, something happened
2902 [23:16:04] <John> 51200+0 records in, 51200+0 records out 54GB copied, 329s, 163MB/s
2903 [23:16:13] <sonion_> well leave spicey in the screen play
2904 [23:16:15] <John> i just remembered, i'm doing a lot of disk work, so thats why it was slow
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2907 [23:16:26] <koollman> yep, finished. not very fast, for a ssd raid0. or very saturated by something else, yeah :)
2908 [23:16:28] <John> but then. dum dum dumm.....
2909 [23:16:35] <koollman> next steps should be fast
2910 [23:16:48] <John> drama: chown, chaning ownership of 'swapfile' Operation not permitted
2911 [23:16:55] <John> i'll sudo su
2912 [23:16:58] <koollman> hm. nah
2913 [23:17:08] <John> wait no?
2914 [23:17:08] <koollman> my fault. but still should work. just a warning
2915 [23:17:11] <John> ah ok
2916 [23:17:29] <koollman> meant chmod, not chown. although the swapon part will need sudo if you are not root
2917 [23:17:32] <John> but then it says "bash: mkswap: command not found". same for swapon
2918 [23:17:36] <John> ahhh, ok
2919 [23:17:42] <sonion_> John: what is the reading? must be 127/129 by now
2920 [23:18:18] <John> 105 still
2921 [23:18:23] <John> but it's dancing.
2922 [23:18:24] <koollman> John: well then. get a root shell. the file is created, so now chmod 600 swapfile; mkswap -f swapfile ; swapon swapfile
2923 [23:18:28] <sonion_> you never had a swap on the computer (shame on you) what does free say
2924 [23:18:30] <John> It's dancing like my heart rate
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2926 [23:19:05] <sonion_> eva green has a nice sounding heart pounding sound
2927 [23:19:18] <John> Free says Mem: total: 132192116 free: 60868
2928 [23:19:28] <John> there's a bunch more numbers but i haven't turned swapon yet
2929 [23:19:31] <John> brb
2930 [23:19:31] <sonion_> no swap .. interesting
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2932 [23:19:53] <John> Yeah swap is 0 because if my programs use the swap, it's usually because i made a memory leak and i should fix my code
2933 [23:20:03] <John> else it just runs for a billion years and rapes my SSDs
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2936 [23:21:09] <John> Well now "free" says i have 50Gb of swap, but htop doesn't detect it
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2938 [23:22:23] <sonion_> do all your other disk work now - cause swap is slow
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2940 [23:22:54] <John> Well it hasn't used any swap yet i don't think
2941 [23:23:04] <koollman> John: maybe htop need to be restarted to take it into account. but if free shows it, it's there
2942 [23:23:14] <John> but 118/129
2943 [23:23:22] <John> koollman: ah, ok, phew :)
2944 [23:23:26] <koollman> John: also, install swapspace now, and later we'll see to remove that 50GB file safely :)
2945 [23:23:39] <John> Ah ok
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2953 [23:27:37] <John> yay the swap appeared :)
2954 [23:27:45] <John> (in htop)
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2957 [23:29:09] <maxigas> i am booting a netinstall debian amd64 image and the guided-encrypted-lvm option
2958 [23:29:15] <maxigas> is missing from the partitioning methods
2959 [23:29:40] <maxigas> if i try manual partitioning, the usual encryption options are also missing.
2960 [23:29:45] <maxigas> any tips?
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2968 [23:34:23] <sonion_> you can do this after you have a bootable system - with the rescue disk
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3057 [23:42:37] <nine_milli> sup my nerds debian def the best linux distro
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3089 [23:44:34] <sonion_> is that ebonics? finally face to face with it
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3101 [23:46:12] <Eryn_1983_FL> hi peeps
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3104 [23:46:26] <Eryn_1983_FL> whats the one liner for adding a new linux kernel i need to update to atelast 4.8
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3108 [23:47:33] <Eryn_1983_FL> i think i got it now..
3109 [23:48:09] <John> sonion_: it's time to accept it. brother from another mother(board)
3110 [23:48:45] <Eryn_1983_FL> lol
3111 [23:48:57] <Eryn_1983_FL> happy mother(board) day!
3112 [23:49:15] <John> hehe :)
3113 [23:49:39] <John> I haven't said anything to my mum yet, and i'm confident if i put that as my status i'd get disowned
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3117 [23:51:36] <sonion_> John: does you mom know you use debian?
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3121 [23:54:44] <John> Debian is my alter-ego.
3122 [23:54:49] <John> But day i'm an OSX user.
3123 [23:55:03] <John> By night, the SWAP comes on and the clothes come off.
3124 [23:55:07] <John> xD
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3128 [23:55:40] <sonion_> i'm shopping the script around ... should i try gofundme?
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3130 [23:56:38] <sonion_> you can play John the irc hacker we never see but has lots of problems - psychological (with his mum) ... etc <---- just joking don't hack me
3131 [23:57:15] <John> lol, i'm not a hacker
3132 [23:57:27] <John> I know how to decloak people on IRC, i guess that's hacking
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3134 [23:57:39] <John> but IRC is older than me so it's not an acheivement
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3138 [23:58:21] <sonion_> did you get banned from facebook?
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3140 [23:59:01] <John> no, lol. I'm not a vegetable, mineral or watermelon either
3141 [23:59:20] <sonion_> we only get youngins (new irc people) who've been banned on facebook yet still need to chat
3142 [23:59:58] <Eryn_1983_FL> hey peeps what app am i suppose to use for battery stats on cli?
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