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13 [00:06:30] <imattxc> how can I enable openGL 4.x on intel mesa in debian? right now output is: "OpenGL version string: 3.0 Mesa 13.0.6"
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16 [00:07:02] <imattxc> card should support >= 4.4
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28 [00:13:30] <teraflops> card support >= 4.4 ...on windows?
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124 [01:19:26] <nshp> is Alessandro Ghedini around here by any chance? I have a question about one of his patches to curl. sent an email, but thought it might be worth checking here too
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128 [01:22:14] <abrotman> nshp: Don't see him here or OFTC
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130 [01:23:09] <nshp> ok, thanks
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156 [01:37:58] <wr> how do i make ssh persistent after reboots to remote desktop?
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158 [01:38:10] <wr> on debian 8 jessie
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188 [01:50:20] <Barones> I'm having issues to install thedude on debian server vm running on promox
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190 [01:50:29] <Barones> xorg doesnt run
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192 [01:51:50] <Canucktux> try wayland
193 [01:52:15] <abrotman> !proxmox
194 [01:52:16] <dpkg> Proxmox Virtual Environment (Proxmox VE) is a GNU/Linux distribution <based on Debian>, providing a virtualization platform with <LXC> and <KVM>. It is not supported in #debian. There's an unofficial proxmox channel on Freenode. For official venues, see ##replaced-url
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252 [02:32:21] <HKitain> Hi! So debian package DB says xserver-xorg is versioned "1:7.7+7". Now, when I look up versions in the Xorg Git, it says "1.19" and such. How do I reconcile those two versions?
253 [02:32:47] <Shadow_7> update to debian sid
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261 [02:37:04] <phogg> HKitain: X version and X server version are two different things. Run X -version locally and you'll see a version number more like the one you see in xorg's git.
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263 [02:40:59] <codebam_> hey, trying to build this package replaced-url
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265 [02:41:26] <codebam_> for some reason it built file the first time but complained about me not having a libplayerctl
266 [02:41:42] <abrotman> Shadow_7: don't say that, wtf
267 [02:42:01] <codebam_> so I removed it and did a make clean, git clean -f, and tried again. then I got this error in the paste
268 [02:42:59] <Shadow_7> It is the short answer. More so with X that maybe a dozen people know how to built these days.
269 [02:43:00] <codebam_> I followed the instructions in the github readme and ran autogen.sh then make before installing, I essentially just subbed checkinstall for make install
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272 [02:43:41] <Barones> on debian wheezy access through ssh, I cant run a program cause there is no display
273 [02:43:50] <Barones> and echo $DISPLAY shows nothing
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276 [02:44:18] <alhadi> hello
277 [02:44:35] <alhadi> i am unable to reset mysql password
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279 [02:45:22] <missmbob> !ifmrp
280 [02:45:23] <dpkg> If you've forgotten the <MySQL> root password, /etc/init.d/mysql stop; mysqld --skip-grant-tables; mysql -u root; use mysql; UPDATE user SET Password=PASSWORD('mynewpassword') WHERE User='root'; FLUSH PRIVILEGES; C-d; stop mysqld; /etc/init.d/mysql start See also replaced-url
281 [02:45:35] <Shadow_7> Barones: have you tried ssh -X ?
282 [02:45:37] <missmbob> Barones: google x forwarding
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284 [02:46:33] <alhadi> i am usign 5.7
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286 [02:47:24] <Shadow_7> If X is running, and you are the user who started X, you could run a program after setting DISPLAY manually. But you probably wouldn't see it remotely.
287 [02:47:26] <Barones> Shadow_7, sorry didn't quite understand "ssh -X?"
288 [02:47:41] <missmbob> google x forwarding and you will
289 [02:47:45] <Shadow_7> Barones: man ssh... the -X is part of X forwarding
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291 [02:47:51] <Barones> #top doesnt show xserver running
292 [02:47:51] <codebam_> Barones: look at "man ssh"
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296 [02:48:31] <alhadi> mysql> ALTER USER 'root'@'localhost' IDENTIFIED BY 'newPassword'
297 [02:48:32] <alhadi> -> FLUSH PRIVILEGES;
298 [02:48:32] <alhadi> ERROR 1064 (42000): You have an error in your SQL syntax; check the manual that corresponds to your MySQL server version for the right syntax to use near 'FLUSH PRIVILEGES' at line 2
299 [02:48:32] <alhadi> mysql> FLUSH PRIVILEGES;
300 [02:48:32] <alhadi> ERROR 1146 (42S02): Table 'mysql.servers' doesn't exist
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302 [02:48:32] <Barones> codebam_, Shadow_7 , got it, thanks
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306 [02:49:18] <alhadi> replaced-url
307 [02:49:19] <alhadi> replaced-url
308 [02:49:27] <Barones> codebam_, Shadow_7 , the ssh connection is through proxmox
309 [02:49:38] <missmbob> !proxmox
310 [02:49:38] <dpkg> Proxmox Virtual Environment (Proxmox VE) is a GNU/Linux distribution <based on Debian>, providing a virtualization platform with <LXC> and <KVM>. It is not supported in #debian. There's an unofficial proxmox channel on Freenode. For official venues, see ##replaced-url
311 [02:49:44] <missmbob> again
312 [02:49:48] <Barones> thanks
313 [02:49:55] <alhadi> my ?
314 [02:49:55] <codebam_> Barones: why does it matter?
315 [02:49:55] <Barones> nobody answred there, though
316 [02:49:55] <alhadi> noqw
317 [02:49:59] <codebam_> ssh is ssh
318 [02:50:09] <missmbob> Barones: doesnt make it appropriate to ask here
319 [02:50:19] <missmbob> codebam_: off topic is off topic
320 [02:50:27] <codebam_> missmbob: sorry, my bad
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322 [02:50:32] <Shadow_7> There's VNC stuff if you want to remote desktop without ssh
323 [02:50:52] <codebam_> did anyone have any ideas for my checkinstall issue?
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325 [02:52:45] <TrumpTheFirst> hi, got a fresh copy of netinstall, is there any blobs or closed source* and how do i remove them..
326 [02:52:54] <TrumpTheFirst> ..after installing it
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328 [02:53:13] <somiaj> TrumpTheFirst: debian main only contains software that meets the DSFG, unless you use a non-free installer or enable non-free you shouldn't have any.
329 [02:53:15] <codebam_> if you didn't install non-free, the kernel still has non-free blobs in it
330 [02:53:15] <Shadow_7> codebam_: does it have a ./debian/ path? did you try the dh_autoreconf to set it up?
331 [02:53:34] <codebam_> or...
332 [02:53:50] <codebam_> Shadow_7: no, and I'll try that
333 [02:54:06] <TrumpTheFirst> codebam_ how to remove these so called non-free blobs (are they are not open source?)
334 [02:54:20] <TrumpTheFirst> if*
335 [02:54:36] <TrumpTheFirst> (if they are not open source?)
336 [02:54:45] <somiaj> codebam_: debian's kernel is libre I belive, all the non-free blobs are in sepearte firmawre packages in non-free
337 [02:54:46] <codebam_> TrumpTheFirst: I believe the linux kernel has non-free blobs? I'm not really sure what debian has in it's kernel, I might be wrong
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339 [02:55:00] <codebam_> somiaj: okay
340 [02:55:07] <TrumpTheFirst> i need a clear answer
341 [02:55:07] <codebam_> TrumpTheFirst: never mind, you're good
342 [02:55:13] <somiaj> TrumpTheFirst: everything in main should meet the DSFG, if you need a good answer, send a bug report
343 [02:55:17] <somiaj> !dsfg
344 [02:55:17] <dpkg> Do you mean DFSG?
345 [02:55:19] <TrumpTheFirst> any docs on this?
346 [02:55:22] <somiaj> !dfsg
347 [02:55:22] <dpkg> DFSG is the Debian Free Software Guidelines, which are explained at replaced-url
348 [02:55:56] <somiaj> TrumpTheFirst: sorry I meant if you know of any software in main that doesn't meet the DSFG, file a bug report
349 [02:55:59] <codebam_> Shadow_7: dh_autoreconf: cannot read debian/control: No such file or directory
350 [02:56:09] <codebam_> I assume because there's no debian directory in the package
351 [02:56:22] <codebam_> although in the releases section they have pre-built packages
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353 [02:56:30] <codebam_> so it's been built for debian before
354 [02:57:10] <somiaj> TrumpTheFirst: the free softawre foundation dosen't endorce Debian due to we also have a non-free repo to supply users who want non-free software. But they do admit that main is free and the DFSG agrees with their mission.
355 [02:57:10] <TrumpTheFirst> alright, i will install with good hopes. have a nice day
356 [02:57:33] <somiaj> but provided you don't enable the non-free repo you will be fine, and the offical netinstaller only contains software from main.
357 [02:57:36] <Shadow_7> codebam_: there's a regular autoreconf thing, but it's less easy to use
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359 [02:57:55] <codebam_> I think I figured it out. it's using something called "fpm"
360 [02:57:56] <TrumpTheFirst> i am aware. how do one remove all non-free repos?
361 [02:57:59] <somiaj> codebam_: what are you trying to do, I missed it.
362 [02:58:03] <codebam_> so I'll just install that and use his script
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364 [02:58:16] <codebam_> somiaj: build playerctl replaced-url
365 [02:58:22] <somiaj> TrumpTheFirst: they should not be enabled by default. There might be a question asking if you want to enable them. you can look at /etc/apt/sources.list
366 [02:58:24] <Shadow_7> codebam_: might want to check the install instructions in the source tree
367 [02:58:41] <codebam_> Shadow_7: his build instructions say to use make install
368 [02:58:43] <autofsckk> hello, my keyboard gets disconnected from time to time, if i reboot everything is normal again, i found this with dmesg replaced-url
369 [02:59:01] <somiaj> codebam_: and following their instructions by running ./autogen.sh failed?
370 [02:59:14] <codebam_> somiaj: correct. I'm going to use fpm to install it
371 [02:59:20] <autofsckk> or is it a way to restart what? udev? or what service could reload or detect the keyboard
372 [02:59:34] <somiaj> codebam_: did you say this was made into a debian package from someone else?
373 [02:59:39] <TrumpTheFirst> alright, i am aware of sources.list, but how do i tell if there is a line that includes close sourced software?
374 [02:59:47] <codebam_> somiaj: yes, see the releases section
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376 [03:00:23] <somiaj> codebam_: if a debian package was made, get teh source for the debian/ from that to try to build your own package.
377 [03:00:26] <somiaj> !uupdate
378 [03:00:27] <dpkg> uupdate (in the <devscripts> package) upgrades a source code package from an upstream revision, or e.g. if the newest foo in debian is 1.2, and upstream is at 1.4: apt-get source foo; wget -nd replaced-url
379 [03:00:32] <somiaj> ^^ may help
380 [03:01:00] <somiaj> TrumpTheFirst: for offical debian repos the section is clearly called 'non-free'
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382 [03:01:27] <TrumpTheFirst> cool, thanks :)
383 [03:01:28] <somiaj> TrumpTheFirst: we cannot guarntee what is in thrid party repos you add. But again by default this is all disabled, you ahve to turn it on somehow. Though I think the newer installer asks you a question.
384 [03:01:35] <somiaj> not sure if jessie does or not
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386 [03:02:13] <TrumpTheFirst> well, i think i have the information that i need, thank you for the answers that will help me in the future
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389 [03:02:38] <TrumpTheFirst> have a nice one fellas
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393 [03:03:33] <autofsckk> please any help or idea on this keyboard? it was working just right, but now it just get disconnected
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395 [03:04:13] <somiaj> a usb keyboard?
396 [03:05:24] <autofsckk> yep
397 [03:05:40] <somiaj> try unpluging it and replugging it in, use a different usb port?
398 [03:05:52] <autofsckk> it wasnt happening at all, but i think this became after an update
399 [03:06:01] <autofsckk> i do that but it doesnt work
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401 [03:06:15] <autofsckk> i plug my keyboard and mouse to a hub
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404 [03:07:08] <autofsckk> the keyboard stops working but the mouse is still working, but if i disconnect/connect again the hub it then kills the mouse too until i restart and then it works right
405 [03:07:09] <somiaj> check dmesg, see if you have any errors, etc
406 [03:07:27] <autofsckk> i already pasted this replaced-url
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409 [03:08:24] <autofsckk> thats just the usb information
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415 [03:12:47] <autofsckk> and im also having this now replaced-url
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417 [03:14:27] <autofsckk> is there a way to like reset-reload udev is it? just to make it recognize again all the connected usb ports?
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420 [03:17:14] <ov3rmind> hey guys i have an off topic but some important to me i have i small network here but part is using cable 10.0.0.0 and part is wireless 192.168.0.0 i have some doubt about the cabled part os net access the wireless potion any ti maybe a litle route but i don't ! very thanks and excuse
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431 [03:26:50] <Shadow_7> autofsckk: I had an issue like that with avlinux. Unplug and replug the usb things fixed it as a work around. avlinux was based on squeeze at that time, putting some udev bits from debian wheezy at the time got it to NOT do that anymore.
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433 [03:27:19] <somiaj> autofsckk: if it happened due to an upgrade, figure out what upgraded, if it was a kernel, download or use the older kernel, file a bug report
434 [03:27:47] <autofsckk> i restarted and everything comes back to normality again :S so anoying
435 [03:28:15] <Shadow_7> It was a variety of things, but mostly a few things in /lib/udev/... But other stuff and not sure which fixed it.
436 [03:28:33] <autofsckk> Shadow_7: do you remember by any chance what exactly you did to make udev do his job ?
437 [03:29:32] <autofsckk> ive been using debian for 2 months and im finding it very unstable, and i really thought or heard that it was pretty stable, im i the bad driver here?
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439 [03:29:55] <Shadow_7> unstable as in crash? or unstable as in network keeps burping?
440 [03:29:56] <somiaj> autofsckk: are you using jessie?
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442 [03:30:23] <somiaj> autofsckk: you said it worked before, what upgraded, see if there is a regression bug. It could also just be you have failing hardware.
443 [03:30:24] <autofsckk> yes
444 [03:30:42] <somiaj> autofsckk: do you run a backported kernel or the 3.16 that ships with jessie?
445 [03:30:55] <autofsckk> unstable as some times unusable until you reboot
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447 [03:31:25] <Shadow_7> autofsckk: curious if restarting X does the same fix as the reboot.
448 [03:31:56] <autofsckk> somiaj: it could be that backports, i played with those the first or two weeks, and after that i tried to put it all back in its place, but maybe it was too late to do that
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451 [03:32:12] <autofsckk> Shadow_7: havent tried that
452 [03:32:15] <somiaj> autofsckk: and you didn't mix any other third party repos, testing packages?
453 [03:32:30] <somiaj> anyways you should still have the 3.16 kernel installed, you should boot from that and see if you have the same issue
454 [03:32:52] <Shadow_7> I've had a few oddities, but having swap and fiddling with swappiness makes things less odd less often.
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456 [03:32:54] <autofsckk> Linux lap 3.16.0-4-686-pae #1 SMP Debian 3.16.43-2 (2017-04-30) i686 GNU/Linux
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458 [03:33:30] <pfc4evr> hey why is it everytime people need to really get something done they keep having to go back to windows
459 [03:33:54] <bazhang> pfc4evr, they dont
460 [03:34:09] <Shadow_7> I've only had to do windows when work requires things done by windows. Luckily I've been unemployed a long time.
461 [03:34:29] <somiaj> autofsckk: if a security update caused this issue, you can find older kernels at snapshot.debian.org to try.
462 [03:34:37] <somiaj> autofsckk: you may ahve some in /var/cache/apt/archives as well.
463 [03:34:45] <pfc4evr> baz...hah...you try getting all those special drivers working in some emulator on linux...forget it...to get stuff done with all those special drivers for windows it takes windows
464 [03:34:48] <somiaj> autofsckk: again I'm running on that I thought you said it use to work.
465 [03:35:14] <Shadow_7> having to take a competency test with a system req of NT4 is kind of insulting.
466 [03:35:30] <autofsckk> linux-image-3.16.0-4-586_3.16.43-2_i386.deb
467 [03:35:44] <autofsckk> somiaj: yes it was working ok
468 [03:36:20] <Shadow_7> The HID stuff is more likely to be X or udev. Check the timestamps of stuff in /var/cache/apt/archives/
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471 [03:37:07] <somiaj> autofsckk: maybe try out some older kernels, and if that fixes it, file a regression bug
472 [03:37:11] <HKitain> So I noticed there's a bunch of MIPSel images of debian available to download.
473 [03:37:11] <Shadow_7> There was some X stuff I fiddled with (cp from wheezy) in the /etc/X11/... for keyboard related things
474 [03:37:22] <pfc4evr> i have to give credit to intel that keeps making drivers for the 15 year old xp that i paid for when people find their hardware in the junkyards
475 [03:37:22] <HKitain> what boards are they supposed to even load on?
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481 [03:38:08] <pfc4evr> at least intel still makes drivers for xp for their real old atom processor hardware in the junkpiles
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483 [03:38:35] <autofsckk> somiaj: thanks
484 [03:38:38] <Shadow_7> el for embeded linux. I assume. Lots of router things are mips based
485 [03:38:40] <pfc4evr> so people can deal with all the special drivers that everyone keeps writing for windows
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487 [03:39:20] <pfc4evr> like the CDC drivers just to name a few
488 [03:40:12] <bazhang> pfc4evr, get to the debian support issue please
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491 [03:40:53] <pfc4evr> bazhang...well the support issue is that no matter which linux you try to run in a virtual machine it can't deal with all the special windows drivers
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493 [03:41:10] <HKitain> Shadow_7: i mean, none of them have a CD drive. Also "el" stands for "little endian"
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495 [03:41:44] <Shadow_7> normally it's le for little endian (audio terms anyway)
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497 [03:42:09] <pfc4evr> so then you have to jump through hoops to resurrect an old ghost backup of xp on whatever hardware you can find in the junkpiles
498 [03:42:19] <bazhang> pfc4evr, vm and drivers? which ones did you imaGne were needed
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500 [03:42:48] <pfc4evr> i told you there are thousands of special case drivers for windows...like CDC drivers for one example
501 [03:42:50] <somiaj> pfc4evr: I'm still failing to see a debian support question here.
502 [03:43:09] <somiaj> pfc4evr: Talking about windows drivers isn't really on topic.
503 [03:43:16] <bazhang> pfc4evr, vm and drivers have no connection
504 [03:43:21] <HKitain> i'm just really unclear on what kind of audience would the CD images have, considering no one in the world can boot them.
505 [03:43:37] <pfc4evr> somiaj...the support question is how to get a linux guest on a debian virtual machine to handle all the special case windows drivers
506 [03:43:54] <somiaj> HKitain: the cd images are hybrid. they can be put on usb drives with a cp command as well as burnt to cd
507 [03:44:24] <pfc4evr> somiaj...what happened to dd on stretch...it no longer seems to work like it used to
508 [03:44:32] <somiaj> pfc4evr: why would a linux guest need to deal with windows drivers? Also this is debian, not just linux, if you want to talk about linux goto ##linux
509 [03:44:42] <HKitain> but mips doesn't have a unified booting standard like MBR booting for PC-likes
510 [03:44:53] <somiaj> pfc4evr: dd works just fine, but cp is just the suggest method for copying the debian images. You can use dd if you want.
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512 [03:45:27] <iateadonut> on a command, a -- is called a ? and a - is called what?
513 [03:45:30] <somiaj> HKitain: oh missed that it was for mipps.
514 [03:45:37] <iateadonut> argument and option or what?
515 [03:45:42] <Shadow_7> pfc4evr: perhaps you're more familiar with dcfldd
516 [03:45:43] <pfc4evr> dd bs=1M if=some.iso of=/dev/sdx ( usb stick) just comes back with a greater than sign prompt
517 [03:45:57] <pfc4evr> Shad...that never used to happen on old linux versions
518 [03:46:04] <somiaj> iateadonut: there really isn't a distniction in naming between -- and -, convention is --word and -lettter
519 [03:46:08] <somiaj> though some commands use -word
520 [03:46:24] <iateadonut> are those called arguments altogether then?
521 [03:46:30] <pfc4evr> this stretch version is weird about dd
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524 [03:47:12] <somiaj> iateadonut: or options, flags, I haven't seen a common name for them.
525 [03:47:29] <somiaj> iateadonut: but arguments is usually what languages call them, lots of libaries that use variables like argv for them.
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527 [03:47:45] <iateadonut> thanks
528 [03:47:59] <somiaj> well I guess arguments can be anything after the command, options/flags may be more appropriate for arguments that use -- or -
529 [03:48:40] <Shadow_7> pfc4evr: try with bs as the last option
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531 [03:49:01] <HKitain> pfc4evr: could you paste in the exact command that you typed in?
532 [03:49:07] <pfc4evr> Shad...i did ...it also made a greater than sign appear to the left...v.ery wierd
533 [03:49:22] <pfc4evr> HKit...both of them ...this one too
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536 [03:49:45] <Shadow_7> pfc4evr: do you have ' type things in there. > is normally unclosed quote. Are you mixing quotes? `'
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539 [03:50:16] <pfc4evr> sudo dd if=/home/pfc4evr/lotsofisos/some.iso /dev/sdX (for whatever dmesg | tail gives) for usbstick ....bs=1M
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541 [03:50:59] <somiaj> pfc4evr: don't give us the template for the command, give us the exact one, look in your history to make sure you got it correct
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543 [03:51:19] <somiaj> what you described is what happens if you have unmached quotes, just try it, type ' and then enter, is that what happened?
544 [03:51:19] <HKitain> the > prompt suggests you have used a special character
545 [03:51:32] <somiaj> if so this is the shell and nothign to do with dd
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547 [03:51:47] <pfc4evr> somiaj...i got it correct...i always do....I am a Doctor...and rightly so because i make very few mistakes....quality is one of my goals
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549 [03:53:06] <pfc4evr> of course lots of people don't give a damn about quality and just want to get drunk and chase whores...but I am a Doctor
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551 [03:53:29] <somiaj> this is off topic, please stay on topic. I have yet to see any actual support question.
552 [03:54:04] <somiaj> anyways, if your name of your file had a quote in it, and you didn\'t escape it, that could cause a problem. dd works just fine. If you found a bug please report it to the BTS.
553 [03:54:23] <pfc4evr> well its only been more than 20 years since linux 0.9 was circulating...so i still guess i haven't formulated a question worth asking yet as no one ever seems to have answers
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555 [03:55:03] <Shadow_7> do you have a special keyboard? or an odd regionality? sudo dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration
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568 [03:58:40] <codebam_> I added
569 [03:58:43] <codebam_> sorry
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571 [03:59:45] <codebam_> I added "[[ -f ~/.Xresources ]] && xrdb -merge -I$HOME ~/.Xresources" to my ~/.xinitrc but it's not being applied when I login to X?
572 [04:00:07] <codebam_> I have to manually run "xrdb ~/.Xresources"
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574 [04:00:28] <Shadow_7> Try with $HOME/ not ~/
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576 [04:00:40] <codebam_> in the file it's using $HOME
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578 [04:01:01] <codebam_> it works when I run it manually regardless of if I use ~ or $HOME
579 [04:01:17] <codebam_> but I want it done automatically. I don't want to run it every time I login
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582 [04:02:47] <codebam_> this is my .xinitrc replaced-url
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585 [04:04:04] <autofsckk> is there a way to make a list of all the installed apps?
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591 [04:05:54] <missmbob> do dpkg -l |grep ^i
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593 [04:07:25] <autofsckk> missmbob: thanks :D 2058 so many
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598 [04:08:00] <codebam__> not sure how I fixed it, I don't care that much though. I copied my .xinitrc from arch
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636 [04:33:48] <ryzokuken> I had a few issues installing debian
637 [04:33:54] <ryzokuken> Please help.
638 [04:34:07] <ryzokuken> I am using the nonfree DVD 1 image.
639 [04:34:25] <ryzokuken> I should contain the nonfree firmware, right?
640 [04:34:57] <ryzokuken> But the installer is asking me to load firmware from removable media.
641 [04:35:22] <awal1> !firmware images
642 [04:35:22] <dpkg> Unofficial <netinst> images - containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for installing Debian 8 "Jessie" are available from replaced-url
643 [04:35:34] <awal1> ryzokuken, ^
644 [04:36:04] <ryzokuken> Yeah, I downloaded the same image.
645 [04:36:18] <awal1> you said dvd1
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647 [04:37:14] <ryzokuken> Oh, not the net install
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649 [04:37:28] <awal1> that is not dvd1, but a netinst image, genuine just as the standard official one, but containing non free firmware (s)
650 [04:37:44] <ryzokuken> It also mentions DVD1+firmware
651 [04:38:08] <ryzokuken> awal1: actually, I needed a more offline approach.
652 [04:38:46] <awal1> again, use this replaced-url
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655 [04:39:04] <awal1> that is the only image with non free firmware
656 [04:39:12] <awal1> and it is stable branch specific
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661 [04:40:26] <awal1> for ofline installation use what ever cd/dvd you need and load firmware manually
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664 [04:41:05] <ryzokuken> awal1: replaced-url
665 [04:41:12] <ryzokuken> This is the one I'm currently using.
666 [04:41:20] <Gaming4JC> Simple question, but I was unable to find an answer - Is there an RSS feed for recent packages and/or debsources?
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670 [04:42:50] <ryzokuken> awal1: what's so wrong about this one?
671 [04:43:00] <awal1> ryzokuken, that is "testing installer" right now with codename "Stretch", not stable /jessie)
672 [04:43:12] <ryzokuken> I need stretch.
673 [04:43:20] <ryzokuken> Sorry, should've said that first.
674 [04:43:35] <awal1> I personnally don't know about testing nonfree images
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676 [04:44:00] <awal1> maybe they are preparing/testing them since Stretch release will happen soon
677 [04:44:17] <awal1> !testing installer
678 [04:44:17] <dpkg> Repeat after me: the testing installer is for testing the <installer>, not for installing <testing>. To install testing, do a minimal installation using the <stable> installer and ask me about <stable->testing>. Installer bugs should be filed against the debian-installer pseudopackage. replaced-url
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681 [04:44:28] <awal1> ryzokuken, ^
682 [04:45:13] <ryzokuken> Damn.
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684 [04:45:42] <awal1> do you have access to wired?
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686 [04:46:22] <ryzokuken> Not exactly. That's why I need without netinst
687 [04:46:30] <ryzokuken> + need firmware for wifi
688 [04:46:49] <ryzokuken> Should I go for current or 8.8.0?
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690 [04:47:19] <Gaming4JC> ryzokuken: AptOnCd may be an option if you have a spare PC to download the packages first.
691 [04:47:49] <ryzokuken> What so wrong about the complete DVDs?
692 [04:48:16] <Gaming4JC> there are no dvds for testing/experimental afaik
693 [04:48:24] <Gaming4JC> dvds are released for stable
694 [04:48:30] <rustbuckett> gah! i can't remember my nickserv password and i can't figure out how to retrieve it! currently, i'm on my little laptop because i have it saved there. any ideas?
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696 [04:48:42] <ryzokuken> We decided I'll install stable and then upgrade to testing.
697 [04:49:04] <Gaming4JC> in that case dvds are the way to go, but you'll only get stable stuff on the dvds
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701 [04:50:01] <Gaming4JC> rustbuckett: try #freenode or see if you can recover the password from your current IRC client's config.
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706 [04:51:00] <awal1> ryzokuken, stable branch dvds doesn't include non free stuff, only that netinst mentioned by the bot includes them. that "firmware-testing-amd64-1.iso may just be buggy as any testing installer
707 [04:51:36] <rustbuckett> Gaming4JC, thanks, but i think i just found it. looks like i outsmarted myself again. :-/
708 [04:51:40] <awal1> is something new (for me at least)
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711 [04:53:05] <Gaming4JC> ryzokuken: Sounds like a job for AptOnCd, download firmware/files on any working Debian computer with inet connection and you can configure it on one without :)
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714 [04:53:26] <Gaming4JC> I've had to use it on several occassions
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722 [04:56:57] <rustbuckett> yep. found it.
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724 [04:58:26] <awal1> ryzokuken, I personally never heard/used "aptoncd". but according to it's description, it is a nice option as you have been told, if you can have access somewhere with a debian machine :)
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726 [04:58:31] <ryzokuken> awal1: there's a current folder and 8.8.0 folder.
727 [04:58:36] <ryzokuken> Which one should I use?
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734 [05:00:25] <awal1> ryzokuken, they have same content
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737 [05:01:29] <awal1> both contain "firmware-8.8.0-amd64-netinst.iso"
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743 [05:03:19] <awal1> just choose the one you need (i386 (32 bit) or amd64 (64 bit))
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747 [05:04:33] <VentGrey> Aw ;C #debian-next needs invite
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750 [05:05:38] <awal1> first connect to OFTC server then #debian-next channel
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754 [05:12:07] <ryzokuken> awal1: it's failing network configuration
755 [05:12:23] <ryzokuken> Maybe it's still not using WiFi firmware
756 [05:14:07] <ryzokuken> Okay, I am using USB tethering now, it's still not working :((
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760 [05:17:18] <VentGrey> Problems with wireless?
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763 [05:19:05] <ryzokuken> Yes
764 [05:19:16] <ryzokuken> Even though I'm using the nonfree firmware images.
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766 [05:20:32] <VentGrey> Let me guess...Realtek?
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769 [05:20:53] <ryzokuken> Realtek for wired
770 [05:20:59] <ryzokuken> Atheros for wireless
771 [05:21:34] <VentGrey> I use a Qualcomm Atheros for wireless and i have no problem o,o
772 [05:21:35] <Shadow_7> Most of my realtek's worked fine. With bleeding edge github driver and kernel.org firmware at least 6 months younger than the hardware
773 [05:21:49] <VentGrey> sudo apt install firmware-atheros?
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782 [05:31:54] <awal1> ryzokuken, run "lspci -nn | grep -i net" and check debian wiki or google if your net hardware is supported by current debian state
783 [05:32:21] <awal1> by current debian version(s)
784 [05:33:21] <awal1> or by linux (kernel)
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786 [05:34:40] <awal1> bcoz after all, it is a kernel concern
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803 [05:46:26] <xormor> how is debian better than openSUSE?
804 [05:46:46] <Shadow_7> The tldp has relevance, and debootstrap
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807 [05:47:50] <Shadow_7> not that they are that different, it's all the same software plus or minus versions or two.
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812 [05:49:40] <HKitain> Hi, i'm trying to boot debian on qemu and it errors out for some reason
813 [05:50:11] <HKitain> it goes Cannot open root device "(null)" or unknown-block(0,0): error -6 and i have specified root=/dev/sda1 rootfstype=ext4
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819 [05:51:36] <HKitain> full log: replaced-url
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849 [06:06:06] <Hoolootwo> HKitain, likely you don't have drivers for virtio included in the kernel or something
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855 [06:06:41] <Hoolootwo> usually qemu has virtio, ide, or sata as the main options, ide and sata should work everywhere
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859 [06:10:13] <ChmEarl> HKitain, which debian on guest versus host?
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865 [06:16:18] <ryzokuken> I accidentally started installation with the default DE
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867 [06:16:33] <ryzokuken> Can I switch to XFCE later?
868 [06:16:43] <ryzokuken> I'm too lazy to restart installation
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870 [06:17:25] <HKitain> Hoolootwo: how do i set up said ide/sata?
871 [06:17:55] <HKitain> or do you mean like a real sata device?
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873 [06:20:24] <HKitain> ChmEarl: host ubuntu, kernel replaced-url
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876 [06:22:56] <ryzokuken> dpkg: stable->testing
877 [06:22:56] <dpkg> Remember that Debian 9 "Stretch" is still pre-release and that security support will not always be timely. Read (at least) the upgrading chapter of the <stretch release notes> replaced-url
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882 [06:25:59] <Hoolootwo> HKitain, it should be a qemu option
883 [06:26:10] <Hoolootwo> not sure off the top of my head, but I'm positive it's in the man page
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889 [06:33:23] <ChmEarl> HKitain, did you format ext4 of the guest from Host? is host Zesty?
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940 [07:08:14] <ryzokuken> What the heck
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942 [07:08:25] <ryzokuken> Another issue with netinst
943 [07:08:37] <ryzokuken> It fails on a certain package
944 [07:08:45] <ryzokuken> Exim4 something maybe
945 [07:08:56] <ryzokuken> What can I do to fix this?
946 [07:10:05] <ryzokuken> This issue doesn't allow me to do anything
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948 [07:11:46] <ryzokuken> Configuring exim4-config fails
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950 [07:12:42] <ryzokuken> Wtf, why is this installation process so arcane?
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974 [07:30:15] <dtux> I seem to be getting a Bus Error in apt-listbugs (even when I try to remove apt-listbugs). Is there a way to skip running it or force-remove it?
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984 [07:35:22] <ryzokuken> !firmware testing
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987 [07:37:44] <ryzokuken> !testing installer
988 [07:37:44] <dpkg> Repeat after me: the testing installer is for testing the <installer>, not for installing <testing>. To install testing, do a minimal installation using the <stable> installer and ask me about <stable->testing>. Installer bugs should be filed against the debian-installer pseudopackage. replaced-url
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990 [07:38:30] <dtux> heh... sudo mv /usr/sbin/apt-listbugs . && sudo touch /usr/sbin/apt-listbugs && sudo chmod +x /usr/sbin/apt-listbugs. then I could remove it
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992 [07:40:52] <jelly> dtux: bus errors in general don't happen on their own on x86, you may have (transient?) issues with hardware
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994 [07:41:41] <jelly> see if debsums reports other changed files
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997 [07:42:29] <dtux> jelly: ah, that makes sense because the machine is >10yrs old (original HDD)
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999 [07:43:12] <dtux> ok, installing
1000 [07:43:13] <jelly> dtux: could be hdd, could be ram, could be something else like bad power supply triggering it. Which debian release is this and which arch (dpkg --print-architecture)?
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1005 [07:46:12] <dtux> jelly: debsums --changed is empty, Debian 8.8 (stable), amd64
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1008 [07:47:09] <dtux> Connection refused
1009 [07:47:27] <dtux> related?
1010 [07:47:34] <jelly> that's just a software issue, probably haven't rebooted in a while
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1013 [07:49:12] <jelly> could still be an unrelated bug
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1015 [07:49:32] <dtux> ok
1016 [07:49:46] <uptime> lol
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1021 [07:51:51] <jelly> I'd look at kern.log or dmesg for any more symptoms (more segfaults reported than usual), then do ram tests and hdd smart tests.
1022 [07:52:57] <jelly> if you haven't removed the possibly borked apt-listbugs binary, put it back and rerun debsums, see if it's corrupted somehow
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1029 [07:58:35] <simbalion`> is it possible to install gcc 5.0 or greater in Jessie?
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1031 [08:00:54] <jelly> simbalion`: not from any Debian binary. You could build it from source into a separate prefix.
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1060 [08:22:37] <solrize> i have an old netbook with 32-bit atom cpu (no amd64 instructions, and slow) and 1gb of ram... think i can run the mate desktop? if not, then xfce?
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1062 [08:23:57] <Lowl3v3l> solrize: i'd try a standalone wm if i were you. you will need some of the ram to do useful things. Maybe go with openbox or a tiling one?
1063 [08:24:15] <solrize> hmm ok. not familiar with openbox
1064 [08:24:32] <solrize> might try xmonad on it if anyone still uses that
1065 [08:24:38] <solrize> it's a small screen so tiling could be painful
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1086 [08:35:01] <ryzokuken> Guys, the stable installer is failing for me :(
1087 [08:35:04] <ryzokuken> Please help.
1088 [08:35:08] <ryzokuken> Tried twice.
1089 [08:35:38] <ryzokuken> exim4-config fails
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1094 [08:37:27] <solrize> what is with this pm flood?
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1096 [08:37:32] <ryzokuken> How can I install debian testing?
1097 [08:37:47] <ryzokuken> Like... Directly.
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1099 [08:38:48] <Selveste1^> I'm I the only one getting spammed right now?
1100 [08:39:23] <ryzokuken> Selveste1^: no spam for me
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1102 [08:39:59] <Selveste1^> ryzokuken: I Keep getting this: [Gobal notice] Hi freenode! With our new PIA funding, we are finally ready. Ask us what "notgms" is in #freenode for an explaination!
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1104 [08:40:42] <ryzokuken> I don't get anything of the sort.
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1107 [08:41:14] <Selveste1^> ryzokuken: okay, thanks :)
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1124 [08:51:34] <drivex> morning
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1127 [08:52:31] <drivex> I'm running the latest debian jessie stable version, but the kernel is still 3.16.0-4-amd64. Shouldn't it be at least 3.16.39-1?
1128 [08:52:52] <drivex> however apt-get update & upgrade (even dist-upgrade) doesn'T show anything newer to install?
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1138 [08:56:50] <ryzokuken> Could any one of you guys help me with my installation issues?
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1140 [08:57:04] <ryzokuken> I've been trying to get Debian running for days now.
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1142 [08:57:28] <ryzokuken> And tbh, I'm really frustrated now.
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1145 [08:59:11] <Ben64> usually best to describe the issue as detailed as possible
1146 [08:59:20] <jelly> ryzokuken: which tasks did you select? Tried installing just the base system first, booting into that, then installing the rest?
1147 [08:59:31] <jelly> !installation report
1148 [08:59:31] <dpkg> i heard installation report is replaced-url
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1150 [08:59:52] <ryzokuken> Stable installer fails at exim4-config
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1152 [09:00:03] <ryzokuken> I heard this issue was fixed in testing.
1153 [09:00:05] <jelly> drivex: what does "uname -a" say?
1154 [09:00:16] <ryzokuken> But I cannot manage to install testing directly.
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1156 [09:00:25] <drivex> Linux 3.16.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.16.43-2 (2017-04-30) x86_64 GNU/Linux
1157 [09:00:47] <drivex> isnt the first one the used kernel?
1158 [09:01:01] <ryzokuken> I got the weekly live build with firmware to work beautifully out of the box.
1159 [09:01:13] <ryzokuken> But I cannot manage to install using the live version.
1160 [09:01:22] <jelly> !kernel abi
1161 [09:01:23] <dpkg> Debian kernel packages have an <ABI> to indicate when out-of-tree modules must be rebuilt; upgrading from a package with 3.2.0-3-amd64 to another 3.2.0-3-amd64 doesn't require fglrx/nvidia/etc to be rebuilt, but upgrading from 3.2.0-3-amd64 to 3.2.0-4-amd64 does. Development kernels intended for <experimental> have the ABI <trunk> to indicate the ABI is unmanaged. replaced-url
1162 [09:01:25] <jelly> drivex: ^^
1163 [09:01:30] <ryzokuken> And people here seem to only support the netinst version.
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1165 [09:01:49] <ryzokuken> So I tried the netinst and it fails miserably at exim4-config
1166 [09:02:15] <ryzokuken> Which is convoluted because Jessie is supposed to be stable and error free
1167 [09:02:21] <ryzokuken> But apparently, its not.
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1169 [09:03:05] <jelly> ryzokuken: which tasks did you select? Tried installing just the base system first, booting into that, then installing the rest?
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1173 [09:03:43] <ryzokuken> No, I started installation alongside XFCE
1174 [09:03:53] <ryzokuken> Sounds like a full-blown installation
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1176 [09:04:28] <jelly> I'm not sure what "started installation alongside XFCE" means, sorry
1177 [09:04:47] <drivex> I've read the article jelly, but the whole kernel thing is a new territory for me, so i don't understand it completly. do you maybe have an explanation which is a little bit "simpler"?
1178 [09:05:12] <jelly> drivex: 3.16.0-4-amd64 is not the version. 3.16.43-2 is.
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1180 [09:05:34] <ryzokuken> jelly: the installer prompted me to choose a DE after the basic installation
1181 [09:05:38] <drivex> okay. so what does 3.16.0-4 stands for? for the "package"?
1182 [09:05:46] <ryzokuken> So I chose XFCE and started the install.
1183 [09:05:56] <ryzokuken> It downloaded 1100 files in total
1184 [09:06:09] <ryzokuken> Included the entire DE and python and what not.
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1186 [09:07:05] <jelly> drivex: it marks compatibility with outside drivers, and is included in the package _name_ (not version) yes
1187 [09:07:27] <drivex> ah, got it now
1188 [09:07:30] <drivex> thanks to you :)
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1191 [09:08:05] <ryzokuken> jelly: I was wondering if there was a way to install testing directly
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1193 [09:08:17] <jelly> ryzokuken: you can deselect all DE-s and tasks at that point.
1194 [09:08:38] <ryzokuken> Deselect everything?
1195 [09:08:38] <jelly> that will give you just the base system,
1196 [09:08:41] <jelly> yes.
1197 [09:08:42] <ryzokuken> Okay
1198 [09:08:49] <ryzokuken> With a console?
1199 [09:08:53] <jelly> right
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1201 [09:09:02] <ryzokuken> Do I have to setup the greeters and stuff later then?
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1203 [09:09:25] <ryzokuken> Like I did in Arch? That sounds like a lot of work.
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1205 [09:10:12] <jelly> it's a workaround to avoid your exim4 issue at installation time.
1206 [09:10:44] <ryzokuken> Okay
1207 [09:11:00] <ryzokuken> Can you tell me what to do after the base system is installed?
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1209 [09:11:44] <jelly> if your goal is to move to stretch, then do a release upgrade to stretch at that point. Then if that works, run "tasksel" to get the Tasks Selection screen again.
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1211 [09:12:11] <jelly> dpkg, jessie->stretch
1212 [09:12:12] <dpkg> Remember that Debian 9 "Stretch" is still pre-release and that security support will not always be timely. Read (at least) the upgrading chapter of the <stretch release notes> replaced-url
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1218 [09:14:31] <jelly> ryzokuken: if, however, you think your hardware will work well on current debian release, just run tasksel. May have to install it first.
1219 [09:14:57] <ryzokuken> I didn't get it.
1220 [09:15:10] <ryzokuken> I need to upgrade to stretch, then run taskel
1221 [09:15:12] <ryzokuken> Right?
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1223 [09:15:20] <ryzokuken> Tasksel**
1224 [09:15:25] <jelly> if it's stretch you want, yes
1225 [09:15:53] <ryzokuken> Exim4-config does not work on Jessie
1226 [09:15:55] <wr> jelly will debian 9 be out till sept?
1227 [09:15:56] <ryzokuken> Not for me
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1229 [09:16:09] <ryzokuken> So I think stretch is my only option
1230 [09:16:13] <ryzokuken> What do you say?
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1232 [09:16:38] <jelly> ryzokuken: it's hard to say anything about that exim issue without more specific information
1233 [09:16:50] <jelly> wr: no idea, maybe
1234 [09:17:15] <ryzokuken> I read a bug report somewhere which said that this bug is fixed in testing.
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1236 [09:17:23] <jelly> which bug?
1237 [09:17:32] <ryzokuken> The exim4 failing
1238 [09:17:32] <jelly> which bug report?
1239 [09:17:44] <jelly> that's not a bug, that's a VERY vague description
1240 [09:18:18] <jelly> could be a dozen different bugs with "exim4-config failing" as a symptom
1241 [09:18:41] <ryzokuken> replaced-url
1242 [09:18:42] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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1244 [09:18:47] <jelly> if you want to pursue that, you'll have to provide a lot more info
1245 [09:19:12] <jelly> ryzokuken: starting with complete output of the installation attempt
1246 [09:19:22] <ryzokuken> Should I then try it with XFCE again and give you the exact output?
1247 [09:19:35] <jelly> your choice
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1249 [09:19:50] <ryzokuken> Idk, what sounds better
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1251 [09:20:15] <ryzokuken> At this point, I have wasted enough time to try out whatever would work best and quickest
1252 [09:20:16] <jelly> ryzokuken: do you want to debug exim, or do you want to install the OS?
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1254 [09:20:26] <ryzokuken> I want to get it running
1255 [09:20:32] <ryzokuken> Don't care about exim
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1257 [09:21:17] <jelly> there's your answer, then, install base system, do a release upgrade to stretch, then get your DE or whatever up with tasksel
1258 [09:21:28] <Gekko> Howdy. I'm trying to get one of those USB 3G dongles working. I've created a connection for it using the network manager, but it seems the device does not get detected as modem replaced-url
1259 [09:21:40] <Gekko> This is on jessie
1260 [09:21:43] <ryzokuken> jelly: then that's what I'll do.
1261 [09:21:45] <ryzokuken> Thanks
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1274 [09:29:13] <jelly> ,v usb-modeswitch
1275 [09:29:14] <judd> Package: usb-modeswitch on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.2.3+repack0-1; jessie: 2.2.0+repack0-2; jessie-backports: 2.5.0+repack0-1~bpo8+1; stretch: 2.5.0+repack0-1; sid: 2.5.0+repack0-1
1276 [09:30:05] <jelly> Gekko: if usb-modeswitch is not installed, install it (and um... dunno, maybe unplug and plug the device again, maybe reboot). If it's installed already, try upgrading to the version from jessie-backports and see if that makes any difference
1277 [09:30:16] <jelly> dpkg, tell Gekko about jessie-backports
1278 [09:30:20] <Gekko> I tried running usb-modeswitch after adding DefaultProduct and DefaultVendor in /etc/usb_modeswitch.conf, and it seemed to run without errors. It did not create any new devices according to lsusb
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1280 [09:30:55] <Gekko> I installed usb_modeswitch from the sources though
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1282 [09:31:49] <Gekko> with lsusb and usb_modeswitch output replaced-url
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1290 [09:32:42] <jelly> hm, it seems detected as (among other things) a usb network card
1291 [09:32:43] <ryzokuken> jelly: base system installed
1292 [09:32:49] <jelly> May 11 09:56:35 gekkoslovakia-laptop kernel: [ 3402.669798] cdc_ether 4-1.2:1.0 usb0: register 'cdc_ether' at usb-0000:00:1d.0-1.2, CDC Ethernet Device, ef:9f:bf:ef:fc:cf
1293 [09:33:05] <ryzokuken> I got into tty1
1294 [09:33:23] <jelly> ryzokuken: now follow the jessie->stretch instructions
1295 [09:34:23] <ryzokuken> dpkg: jessie->stretch
1296 [09:34:24] <dpkg> Remember that Debian 9 "Stretch" is still pre-release and that security support will not always be timely. Read (at least) the upgrading chapter of the <stretch release notes> replaced-url
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1305 [09:38:51] <ryzokuken> jelly: upgrade in progress
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1309 [09:40:09] <g0tWater> /msg g0tWater REGISTER gotWater14317 yazilimci06@gmail.com
1310 [09:40:18] <Gekko> woops?
1311 [09:40:26] <g0tWater> sorry
1312 [09:40:27] <g0tWater> :D
1313 [09:40:36] <joze> status windows prevent that :)
1314 [09:40:38] <ryzokuken> Lol
1315 [09:40:51] <ryzokuken> Use another password now, mate.
1316 [09:40:52] <g0tWater> it was an erorr
1317 [09:40:53] <g0tWater> :D
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1325 [09:42:21] <g0tWater> /s
1326 [09:42:47] <wr> whats the lowest ram usage debian can make with a win manager or more
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1329 [09:44:30] <Stummi> wr, I don't think you can make a assumption here without actually trying your specific use case
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1331 [09:45:02] <wr> Stummi i mean generally
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1333 [09:46:09] <bezaban> wr: hard question, you mean running X and some window manager? It will highly depend on the window manager/desktop environment. Gnome/kde will suck a lot, something likeweight like fvwm2, ratpoison etc will use much less than a full gnome suite or kde
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1336 [09:47:03] <bezaban> raspbian runs 'ok' on a pi b with 512mb - as an example
1337 [09:47:05] <wr> bezaban, whats lowest with any WM a user can get
1338 [09:47:23] <bezaban> wr: claims that ratpoison runs in 1mb
1339 [09:47:57] <bezaban> but then system overhead etc. You could likely strip down a lot, and could compile a smaller kernel for a smaller footprint. Theoretical minimum you'd have to try
1340 [09:48:40] <bezaban> you can of course also rely on swapping to disk
1341 [09:48:44] <bezaban> (not recommended)
1342 [09:48:59] <wr> bezaban, yes goal is to strip down as much possible on debs
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1345 [09:49:29] <bezaban> .debs are only packages, they don't use ram
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1347 [09:50:14] <wr> bezaban, debs(meant debian)
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1350 [09:50:50] <bezaban> wr: there are specialized distros for low memory footprints that you might want to look into, unless you want to make your own
1351 [09:51:11] <wr> like?
1352 [09:51:20] <wr> i know a few only
1353 [09:51:39] <bezaban> ok. I'll google for you
1354 [09:51:40] <bezaban> replaced-url
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1356 [09:52:23] <bezaban> !goal
1357 [09:52:23] <dpkg> Describe your goal, not what you think the solution is.
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1361 [09:54:43] <wr> bezaban, those distros there i know them
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1364 [09:55:08] <ryzokuken> jelly: got to strech
1365 [09:55:14] <ryzokuken> Exim is still not working
1366 [09:55:24] <ryzokuken> :/
1367 [09:55:42] <wr> ryzokuken, you use backports too?
1368 [09:56:05] <ryzokuken> Not yet on this installation
1369 [09:56:11] <ryzokuken> Cannot get exim to worm
1370 [09:56:13] <ryzokuken> Work**
1371 [09:56:16] <wr> try
1372 [09:56:39] <ryzokuken> How do I add backports?
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1374 [09:58:05] <slax0r> replaced-url
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1391 [10:05:45] <jelly> ryzokuken: pastebin the whole output of the command you ran, and what resulted in "Exim is still not working". There are no backports for stretch (yet).
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1393 [10:06:01] <jelly> !bat
1394 [10:06:02] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
1395 [10:06:44] <Gekko> well I got the usb dongle working
1396 [10:06:46] <Gekko> ircing via it now
1397 [10:06:50] <Gekko> the problem: user
1398 [10:06:58] <Gekko> It turns out it creates a wifi network I need to connect to
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1400 [10:07:13] <Gekko> and configuration is done via a web page
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1402 [10:08:02] <Gekko> what baffles me is that it didn't ask for PIN
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1404 [10:08:34] <wr> by the way, to connect wifi or network via cli, without a GUI?
1405 [10:10:03] <Gekko> I think simply using nmcli works, or also wicd-curses
1406 [10:10:26] <Gekko> wicd has a curses GUI
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1409 [10:12:41] <ryzokuken> replaced-url
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1411 [10:13:07] <ryzokuken> jelly: ^
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1418 [10:17:02] <ryzokuken> jelly: it's probably some sort of dependency issue
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1421 [10:18:07] <themill> ryzokuken: there are no dependency issues in stretch
1422 [10:18:16] <themill> /var/lib/dpkg/info/exim4-config.config: 32: /etc/exim4/update-exim4.conf.conf: Syntax error: Unterminated quoted string
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1424 [10:18:54] <ryzokuken> I see this
1425 [10:18:59] <ryzokuken> How do I fix it?
1426 [10:19:09] <ryzokuken> Seems like an error in the file itself.
1427 [10:19:12] <themill> yes
1428 [10:19:16] <ryzokuken> But it works for other people.
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1430 [10:19:56] <themill> your local edits are making it unhappy
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1432 [10:20:33] <ryzokuken> I didn't edit it locally
1433 [10:20:34] <themill> (possibly edited via debconf or possibly directly)
1434 [10:20:41] <ryzokuken> Oh
1435 [10:20:47] <ryzokuken> That's possible
1436 [10:21:24] <ryzokuken> How do I get the original version instead?
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1438 [10:22:13] <jelly> can you jsut move it away
1439 [10:22:20] <themill> or just edit it to fix it
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1443 [10:26:26] <jelly> that doesn't look anything like the aforementioned gnutls-related bug
1444 [10:26:29] <ryzokuken> themill: which one of the two options is better?
1445 [10:26:43] <ryzokuken> jelly: yes, my bad.
1446 [10:26:55] <ryzokuken> The issue was similar, but the cause is different
1447 [10:27:05] <jelly> it's not similar at all!
1448 [10:27:21] <jelly> just happens to be in the same package
1449 [10:27:24] <ryzokuken> Alright, it's not similar at all.
1450 [10:27:34] <ryzokuken> I'm new to debian, sorry.
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1453 [10:28:22] <ryzokuken> Had no idea that the difference in the curves of Debian and other related distros Ubuntu/mint etc would be so huge.
1454 [10:28:31] <ryzokuken> But it's fun.
1455 [10:28:37] <wr> debian is better
1456 [10:28:49] <jelly> ubuntu defaults to postfix for mta, not exim
1457 [10:29:04] <ryzokuken> If I get it to run successfully, it would be awesome.
1458 [10:29:23] <jelly> so... have you looked inside the file or not
1459 [10:29:29] <ryzokuken> After this, I'll need to setup Atheros firmware and Nvidia proprietary drivers
1460 [10:29:46] <ryzokuken> jelly: tasksel is running
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1462 [10:30:02] <ryzokuken> I will look into it after it ends.
1463 [10:30:26] <ryzokuken> Please bear with me, and thanks for all the help.
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1485 [10:44:34] <pawiecki> Hi! Could you help me understand what the output of the "ntpq -p" command tells? I mean the asterisk, next to the host. From what I've heard, it means that selected host is my time server. Man doesn't tell me much, but this doc: replaced-url
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1490 [10:49:00] <hid3> Greeting. Has anyone configured 'smartd' daemon to send email notifications about disk health status changes?
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1507 [10:56:43] <hramrach> hello
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1509 [10:57:12] <hramrach> I tried to install debian powerpc in qemu
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1512 [10:57:23] <hramrach> and it does not boot
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1514 [10:57:58] <hramrach> I installed the yaboot bootloader on /dev/sda1 which was the default option
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1525 [11:06:48] <menace> is there a tool, which tests READMEs for certain standards like linelength? like a readme-linter?
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1527 [11:10:55] <ryzokuken> jelly: themill: moved a few files
1528 [11:11:00] <ryzokuken> With the same error
1529 [11:11:13] <ryzokuken> 2 packages now pass, 2 still fail
1530 [11:11:24] <ryzokuken> Non existent configuration filed
1531 [11:11:26] <ryzokuken> Files**
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1534 [11:12:37] <petn-randall> pawiecki: Can you paste the output to replaced-url
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1539 [11:15:40] <ryzokuken> Can anyone help?
1540 [11:15:47] <petn-randall> pawiecki: We can then discuss the values there.
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1542 [11:16:41] <jelly> ryzokuken: which few files? Show the "same error"?
1543 [11:16:49] <jelly> !bat
1544 [11:16:50] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
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1547 [11:17:52] <ryzokuken> jelly: the error we discussed was of an unterminated string.
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1549 [11:18:09] <ryzokuken> A few more files threw that error
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1551 [11:18:14] <ryzokuken> Moved all of them
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1553 [11:18:22] <petn-randall> ryzokuken: Don't explain the errors, show us!
1554 [11:18:22] <ryzokuken> 2 packages work now.
1555 [11:18:41] <petn-randall> ryzokuken: That way we might recognize them, and be able to help.
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1557 [11:19:04] <ryzokuken> Sure, wait a moment.
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1562 [11:21:31] <ryzokuken> replaced-url
1563 [11:21:54] <ryzokuken> petn-randall: jelly ^
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1569 [11:25:07] <ryzokuken> petn-randall: copied the template, it worked.
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1574 [11:29:53] <jelly> ryzokuken: which specific files did you move away?
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1577 [11:30:57] <ryzokuken> exim4-config.config
1578 [11:31:18] <ryzokuken> exim4-config.postinst
1579 [11:31:35] <ryzokuken> update-exim4.conf
1580 [11:31:42] <ryzokuken> These three
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1582 [11:32:06] <petn-randall> ryzokuken: You can simply remove exim4 if you don't use the MDA, anyway.
1583 [11:32:27] <ryzokuken> MDA?
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1588 [11:35:24] <jelly> ryzokuken: uh... would that be /var/lib/dpkg/info/{exim4-config.config,exim4-config.postinst} ?
1589 [11:35:41] <jelly> those are package installation scripts, you shouldn't mess with those.
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1593 [11:36:14] <pawiecki> petn-randall: replaced-url
1594 [11:37:04] <ws2k3> how should i resolve this error: error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++.so.5: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory i get this when executing a binary
1595 [11:37:25] <jelly> ws2k3: which command gives out that error?
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1597 [11:37:40] <ws2k3> jelly ./cod2_lnxded
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1600 [11:38:00] <jelly> ws2k3: best way forward is to find a build made for debian 8 or 7 instead of that old one.
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1602 [11:38:50] <ws2k3> hmm i dont fully understand ur answer. cause im sure this binary has worked on this machine. i also have this same application on other debian 7 servers and there they work fine. so i think there is an issue with that libary
1603 [11:39:06] <ws2k3> i already tryed apt-get install libstdc++5 which normaly resolves the issue but that didnt work now
1604 [11:39:31] <jelly> ws2k3: libstdc++5 does not exist in debian 7 any more.
1605 [11:39:53] <jelly> hm, or maybe it does.
1606 [11:39:58] <ws2k3> libstdc++5 is already the newest version.
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1608 [11:39:59] <jelly> doesn't exist in debian 8 tho.
1609 [11:40:13] <ws2k3> im running debian 7
1610 [11:40:19] <jelly> ws2k3: what does "file ./cod2_lnxded" say?
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1614 [11:40:52] <ryzokuken> jelly: no, those files were from /tmp/ or /etc/ maybe
1615 [11:40:56] <ws2k3> ./cod2_lnxded: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.2.0, stripped
1616 [11:40:58] <jelly> maybe?
1617 [11:41:02] <ryzokuken> Also, I get reboot not found.
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1619 [11:41:39] <MarkL> hi I am looking for a software to analyze forex exchange and suggestions for positions, any advice?
1620 [11:41:39] <jelly> ws2k3: so it's a 32bit binary. Did you install a 32bit libstdc++5 ?
1621 [11:41:43] <ryzokuken> Wait, they were from /etc/exim4
1622 [11:41:55] <ryzokuken> jelly: now I remember
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1625 [11:42:18] <ws2k3> jelly ok this is interesting.
1626 [11:42:43] <ws2k3> jelly working server: find / -name libstdc++.so.5 /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libstdc++.so.5
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1628 [11:43:05] <ws2k3> jelly non working server: find / -name libstdc++.so.5 /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libstdc++.so.5
1629 [11:43:23] <jelly> ws2k3: what does "dpkg --print-architecture" say on both?
1630 [11:43:52] <ws2k3> jelly both only show amd64
1631 [11:44:11] <ws2k3> jelly but i know the binary is 32bit
1632 [11:44:26] <jelly> ws2k3: so enable i386 foreign arch and install libstdc++5:i386
1633 [11:44:28] <ws2k3> so i allways do dpkg-add-aritexture i386 or something like that
1634 [11:44:35] <jelly> dpkg, tell ws2k3 about multiarch
1635 [11:44:38] <jelly> yeah
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1637 [11:45:06] <ws2k3> jelly apt-get install libstdc++5:i386 resolved the issue :D thanks alot
1638 [11:45:19] <jelly> !win ws2k3
1639 [11:45:19] <dpkg> Congratulations, ws2k3! You have won a lifetime supply of spam!
1640 [11:45:21] <ws2k3> i saw ur command and i was like Yeah that the command i was looking for :D
1641 [11:45:37] <jelly> maybe write it down?
1642 [11:45:47] <ws2k3> jelly will do thx
1643 [11:46:28] <ws2k3> jelly so would that mean this binary cannot run on debian 8?
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1646 [11:47:26] <ryzokuken> jelly: it's almost all set
1647 [11:47:41] <ryzokuken> I cannot find an option to enable tap to click though
1648 [11:47:44] <jelly> ws2k3: possibly, at lthe very least you'd have to pull old libraries from debian 7 to make it work
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1652 [11:50:24] <ryzokuken> jelly: Atheros worked, I am connected to the network, but no internet
1653 [11:50:42] <feliks> is there a builtin alternative to `journalctl --vacuum-(size|time|files)=...`?
1654 [11:50:57] <feliks> or what is the canonical way to delete old systemd logs on debian jessie?
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1656 [11:51:47] <ryzokuken> Okay, internet works now
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1660 [11:52:54] <ryzokuken> But it only checks three servers during apt update
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1675 [12:03:10] <petn-randall> pawiecki: Looks good. Relevant values are "reach", which is a bitmask of the last attempts to reach it. "377" means all bits are 1, so no attempt failed.
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1678 [12:04:31] * petn-randall thinks about the bits.
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1684 [12:05:59] <petn-randall> Oh, right, 377 is octal.
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1718 [12:20:32] <pawiecki> petn-randall: where can i find detailed explanations of these fields?
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1733 [12:29:47] <Shadow_7> pawiecki: octal is like hex except grouped in 3 bit groups, not 4 bits.
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1736 [12:30:25] <Shadow_7> pawiecki: and since a byte is only 8 bits total, the first one is only 2 bits
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1741 [12:31:08] <Shadow_7> pawiecki: so 2+1 - 4+2+1 - 4+2+1 == 377 max value, or 255 decimal or FF hex
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1743 [12:32:08] <Shadow_7> pawiecki: relative to 11111111 binary
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1753 [12:37:08] <Shadow_7> ws2k3: Sometimes linking libstdc++6 as libstdc++5 works to get things like that less grumpy. But risky as it might fail elsewhere with API/ABI changes.
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1757 [12:39:30] <Shadow_7> ws2k3: with strace to strip out open( things to know it's true name.
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1759 [12:40:47] <Shadow_7> ws2k3: or grepping the source for the thing the outputs the error to see what it's "really" checking for. Since cut and paste warriors sometimes don't adjust strings to be meaningful.
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1771 [12:45:11] <randomgry> is there a package which has all of qt5 stuff and its development headers ?
1772 [12:45:15] <randomgry> metapackage
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1775 [12:46:23] <Shadow_7> randomgry: like qt5-dev ?
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1777 [12:47:11] <Shadow_7> looks like qtbase5-dev is the more relevant package name that actually exists.
1778 [12:47:41] <Shadow_7> installing the -dev normally grabs all the other packages. (in theory)
1779 [12:50:46] <randomgry> Shadow_7: ok thanks
1780 [12:51:39] <randomgry> cmake also says 'Could NOT find KF5' now, what is that?
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1783 [12:52:22] <themill> if only apt had a search mechanism!
1784 [12:52:48] <randomgry> i find it a bit hard to scroll through, when i tried seatching for qt5 it was a long list
1785 [12:52:57] <randomgry> i didn't come up with a good way to work around tht
1786 [12:52:58] <randomgry> that
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1816 [13:10:59] <wr> wanna do wake on wan and remote desktop between Debian machines, what would you guys suggest to use graphically besides ssh?
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1822 [13:16:57] <at0m> wr: you do not need anything besides ssh and the apps you want to use (and, X on the display machine, ofc)
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1826 [13:17:25] <wr> at0m my goal is to have pc off wake it up and use full GUI of Debian
1827 [13:17:38] <at0m> wr: just ssh -X user@host $app
1828 [13:17:42] <at0m> oh, full desktop?
1829 [13:17:48] <wr> yes
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1831 [13:17:58] <at0m> better VNC then, afaik
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1834 [13:18:08] <wr> at0m, i need something so good as ssh but for the GUI part
1835 [13:18:13] <at0m> ssh -X'd apps will close then ssh closes
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1837 [13:18:18] <at0m> *when
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1840 [13:18:32] <wr> at0m, witch version of vnc works better?
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1845 [13:19:46] <at0m> for the WOL, apt install wakeonlan then wakeonlan $MAC
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1847 [13:20:04] <at0m> for the vnc, let me check what i had set up..
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1856 [13:21:47] <nicknock> hi
1857 [13:22:00] <wondiws> where did I have to go or a question where I can mention "sid" without being sanctioned? ;)
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1859 [13:22:10] <wondiws> for*
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1863 [13:22:28] <at0m> dpkg: tell wondiws about testing
1864 [13:22:35] <nicknock> someone can suggest me the best sw to virtualize win10 into debian?
1865 [13:22:50] <wondiws> at0m, sid isn't testing, it's unstable ;)
1866 [13:23:03] <at0m> wondiws: same place you have to go
1867 [13:23:08] <at0m> same factoid
1868 [13:23:14] <at0m> dpkg: tell wondiws about sid
1869 [13:23:25] <wondiws> but anyway, I'm using XFCE, and the option to enable tap to click for my touchpad is missing in the Mouse and Touchpad options
1870 [13:23:40] <at0m> or better, testing factoid has the debian-next channel
1871 [13:23:58] <coke> nicknock: kvm?
1872 [13:24:00] <ryzokuken> Hey everyone!
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1874 [13:24:34] <at0m> wr: for vnc without physical remote display, apt show vncserver
1875 [13:24:42] <at0m> that'll do
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1877 [13:24:57] <wr> at0m, vncserver or vnc4server is it same?
1878 [13:25:26] <at0m> wr: vnc4server installs vncserver
1879 [13:25:34] <ryzokuken> Could I find a sorted list of DEs by default resource hunger?
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1881 [13:26:14] <wr> at0m, great its what i have, now just need the config properly
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1887 [13:27:19] <wr> ryzokuken, replaced-url
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1890 [13:28:29] <at0m> wr: i'm out, good luck =)
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2064 [15:02:40] <vNistelroot> hey guys
2065 [15:02:57] <vNistelroot> dear people, ive spent a great amount of time to fix an issue with gnuradio
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2067 [15:03:17] <vNistelroot> but it seems like someone over here could help to give me a light
2068 [15:03:22] <vNistelroot> ImportError: libgnuradio-runtime.so.3.7.5: cannot open shared object file: No such
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2070 [15:03:32] <vNistelroot> but currently my gnuradiio is 3.7.8
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2094 [15:12:23] <altyr> vNistelroot: how did you install gnuradio?
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2102 [15:14:24] <Shadow_7> vNistelroot: apt-get install libgnuradio-runtime3.7.5
2103 [15:14:51] <Shadow_7> vNistelroot: perhaps you didn't install the parent package to get GRC aka gnu radio companion
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2105 [15:15:15] <Shadow_7> or something like that... terminology is not my strong suit.
2106 [15:15:27] <vNistelroot> i installed it from source
2107 [15:15:27] <altyr> Shadow_7: the gnu radio version is 3.7.8. there's something else happening
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2109 [15:15:40] <vNistelroot> but at first time i installed it from repository
2110 [15:15:48] <vNistelroot> let me try
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2114 [15:16:29] <vNistelroot> but why is needed to install 3.7.5 when gnuradio is 3.7.8?
2115 [15:16:45] <vNistelroot> in /usr/local/lib/ i have libgnuradio-runtime3.7.8
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2117 [15:17:01] <vNistelroot> but for some reason is still looking for 3.7.5
2118 [15:17:35] <Shadow_7> It's 3.7.5-5 on jessie
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2120 [15:18:08] <Shadow_7> vNistelroot: probably have /usr/lib/ before /usr/local/lib in $PATH things
2121 [15:18:27] <themill> An interesting mixture of packaged and compiled binaries will cause hilarity.
2122 [15:18:58] <Shadow_7> ,v gnuradio
2123 [15:18:59] <judd> Package: gnuradio on amd64 -- wheezy: 3.5.3.2-1; wheezy-backports: 3.7.5-3~bpo70+3; jessie: 3.7.5-5; jessie-backports: 3.7.10.1-1~bpo8+1; sid: 3.7.10.1-2+b3; stretch: 3.7.10.1-2+b3
2124 [15:19:12] <altyr> vNistelroot: make sure you fully purged all traces of the version you got from the repo. and by the way, you can get 3.7.10 from backports if you need some new feature
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2132 [15:22:48] <vNistelroot> so make uninstall recent compiled
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2134 [15:22:54] <vNistelroot> apt-get remove --purge all things
2135 [15:22:59] <vNistelroot> and rerun the process
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2137 [15:23:05] <vNistelroot> let see.. :|
2138 [15:23:25] <vNistelroot> i rare come into this issues
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2143 [15:28:56] <vNistelroot> hmm in fact gnuradio works fine
2144 [15:29:17] <vNistelroot> but gr-gsm tell me
2145 [15:29:23] <vNistelroot> in a cmake command
2146 [15:29:46] <vNistelroot> Cannot generate a safe runtime search path for target grgsm because files .... runtime library [libgnuradio-runtime.so] in /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu may be hidden by files in:
2147 [15:29:56] <vNistelroot> /usr/local/lib
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2149 [15:30:23] <vNistelroot> let see if im able to solve that
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2158 [15:32:17] <flashdance> Good Morning, fellow programmers
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2171 [15:35:58] <Shadow_7> we are not programmers, we are programs in a matrix
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2174 [15:37:25] <flashdance> yep,
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2187 [15:45:57] <dopdopdop> lost conn dont know if msg got through
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2189 [15:46:03] <dopdopdop> hi, I'm on 64-bit sid and trying to add 32-bit arch but "dpkg --add-architecture i386" doesn't do anything, help appreciated
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2193 [15:46:53] <uniTosch> did you run apt update afterwards?
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2196 [15:47:18] <dopdopdop> yes
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2198 [15:48:16] <uniTosch> and it gets listed if you run dpkg --print-foreign-architectures
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2200 [15:48:32] <dopdopdop> yes
2201 [15:49:23] <uniTosch> what did you try to do and how did it fail?
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2203 [15:50:28] <dopdopdop> tried to use playonlinux and after creating a bottle wine crashes on 64bit and 32bit wine right on start
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2207 [15:51:13] <dopdopdop> I recall having this issue long time ago but I dont remember what did I do except it being related to multiarch
2208 [15:51:30] <uniTosch> do you have wine32 installed?
2209 [15:51:38] <Shadow_7> back when wine only had a 32 bit version?
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2213 [15:52:00] <dopdopdop> Shadow_7: yeah probably
2214 [15:52:04] <wr> dopdopdop, wine and playonlinux using wine always sucks
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2217 [15:52:56] <dopdopdop> uniTosch: I don't know what package I should be looking for to see if I have it
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2219 [15:53:08] <uniTosch> wine32 is the package.
2220 [15:53:19] <dopdopdop> it doesn't show in the repo
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2223 [15:53:37] <dopdopdop> probably because adding arch didnt work?
2224 [15:53:55] <Shadow_7> dopdopdop: apt-get install wine:i386
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2226 [15:54:03] <uniTosch> it did work. but adding the arch will not install 32 bit wine.
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2229 [15:55:12] <dopdopdop> Shadow_7: "'wine:i386' has no installation candidate"
2230 [15:55:24] <uniTosch> dopdopdop: apt-cache policy wine32 doesn't show anything?
2231 [15:56:06] <Shadow_7> apt-cache search --names-only wine
2232 [15:56:24] <Shadow_7> seems that wine is the 32 bit version? and wine64 is the 64 bit one... idk
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2235 [15:56:52] <flashdance> crossover is a powerful program... I enjoy utilizing unix software's as much as possible.
2236 [15:56:53] <uniTosch> wine32 is the 32 bit version. wine is a virtual package.
2237 [15:56:55] <Shadow_7> last time I used it, wine popped up instructions for the 32 bit version and it just worked if you followed the instructions.
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2240 [15:57:27] <dopdopdop> says Installed (none) but also says there is candidate 1.8
2241 [15:57:30] <Shadow_7> which was adding the multi-arch and installing the 32 bit wine
2242 [15:57:52] <dopdopdop> i think I messed it up when I installed wine before adding arch
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2244 [15:58:05] <Shadow_7> dopdopdop: perhaps dselect will merge the sources better.... apt-get install dselect... dselect update...
2245 [15:58:12] <uniTosch> dopdopdop: so install wine32.
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2247 [15:58:59] <user123irc> what is an native desktop environment for debian ?
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2249 [15:59:17] <uniTosch> there is none. the installer lets you select one.
2250 [15:59:48] <Shadow_7> on ubuntu you apt-get install ubuntu-desktop... not sure if there's a debian-desktop
2251 [15:59:57] <dopdopdop> Shadow_7: ok did dselect, uniTosch trying still :D
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2255 [16:00:41] <uniTosch> dopdopdop: trying what? apt install wine32 is all that you need to do.
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2257 [16:00:59] <flashdance> plasma desktop is popular today, but haven't tried it.
2258 [16:01:19] <Shadow_7> I just use cwm, although no package for it yet.
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2260 [16:01:36] <dopdopdop> uniTosch: Ok tried again that and now it lets
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2263 [16:02:31] <user123irc> so question , what would be best integrated desktop for debian ?
2264 [16:02:35] <dopdopdop> should print architecture show only amd64 though?
2265 [16:02:53] <uniTosch> yes
2266 [16:03:02] <dopdopdop> thanks
2267 [16:03:23] <uniTosch> --print-architecture and --print-foreign-architectures are different.
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2275 [16:04:14] <Shadow_7> user123irc: whatever you choose. Things don't "break" in debian if you switch wm/de
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2278 [16:05:19] <Shadow_7> As long as the needs of the things don't differ too much... wicd vs network-manager and whatnot
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2280 [16:05:38] <dopdopdop> playonlinux works now THX THX :)
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2282 [16:06:02] <hiole24> hi
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2284 [16:06:29] <hiole24> I just runned into a problem with downloading things from youtube
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2286 [16:07:07] <hiole24> when i want to download a playlist i try to run youtube-dl and then use the url for the specific youtube user
2287 [16:07:11] <hiole24> but it says
2288 [16:07:19] <Shadow_7> one that youtube-dl can't solve? +/- --list-formats --format can't solve?
2289 [16:07:27] <user123irc> so Xfce would be lightest desktop for Debian yes ?
2290 [16:07:35] <hiole24> ERROR: Unable to download webpage: HTTP Error 410: Gone; please report this issue on replaced-url
2291 [16:07:51] <hiole24> i already have the newest version of youtube-dl
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2293 [16:07:56] <Shadow_7> user123irc: depends on how you define light. icewm might be lighter... jwm lighter still
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2295 [16:08:10] <Shadow_7> with dwm being probably lightest
2296 [16:08:16] <jelly> hiole24: which package version do you actually have installed?
2297 [16:08:17] <user123irc> but Xfce has more functionality
2298 [16:08:22] <hiole24> is there another program or other way to download the whole playlist from youtube or the whole channel ?
2299 [16:08:38] <jelly> user123irc: lxde/lxqt may be lighterer
2300 [16:08:46] <hiole24> jelly how can i find this out ?
2301 [16:09:01] <jelly> hiole24: dpkg -l youtube-dl, apt-cache policy youtube-dl
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2303 [16:09:18] <jelly> ,v youtube-dl
2304 [16:09:19] <judd> Package: youtube-dl on amd64 -- jessie: 2014.08.05-1+deb8u1; jessie-backports: 2017.02.07-1~bpo8+1; stretch: 2017.02.07-1; sid: 2017.03.26-1
2305 [16:09:27] <Shadow_7> youtube-dl --version
2306 [16:09:30] <hiole24> ii youtube-dl 2014.08.05-1 all downloader of videos from YouTube
2307 [16:09:52] <jelly> hiole24: yeah that's horribly old
2308 [16:10:01] <hiole24> oh wow
2309 [16:10:02] <jelly> dpkg, tell hiole24 about jessie-backports
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2311 [16:10:30] <wr> user123irc, xfce its not the lightest on debian
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2314 [16:10:53] <jelly> even the one in jessie-backports from February is too old for some sites (but possibly good enough for youtube.com)
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2316 [16:11:45] <hiole24> jelly so i need to edit source list ?
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2320 [16:14:38] <tw> jelly: From experience, it's not good enough for youtube.com.
2321 [16:14:58] <hiole24> im running jessie 8.5 version
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2323 [16:15:04] <tw> It only fails for maybe 10-20% though, so ymmv.
2324 [16:15:09] <hiole24> i dont know if its not to old
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2330 [16:17:49] <hiole24> when i try to do the update it says
2331 [16:17:52] <hiole24> It looks like you installed youtube-dl with a package manager, pip, setup.py or a tarball. Please use that to update.
2332 [16:18:01] <jelly> yes.
2333 [16:18:16] <hiole24> what should i do, im just confused
2334 [16:18:21] <jelly> that's because you install it with the package manager
2335 [16:18:25] <vNistelroot> got it now!
2336 [16:18:25] <jelly> instaled* it
2337 [16:18:46] <vNistelroot> deleted all traces, purged everything and look step by step
2338 [16:18:47] <vNistelroot> :)
2339 [16:18:54] <vNistelroot> now gr-gsm is working fine
2340 [16:19:12] <hiole24> jelly so do i need to make changes to the sources list ?
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2342 [16:19:42] <hiole24> or i can download the new package manager for youtube-dl ?
2343 [16:19:46] <vNistelroot> thanks you guys for your advices, at least gave me an extra mile motivation mile to solve this...
2344 [16:19:49] <hiole24> and then extract it
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2346 [16:20:44] <jelly> hiole24: you could remove the current one with apt-get remove ... and then grab and use the standalone from yt-dl.org
2347 [16:21:13] <jelly> "package manager" is an OS component, that apt-get thing is part of it
2348 [16:21:30] <hiole24> oh ok
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2358 [16:25:00] <vNistelroot> yeeeeah now im able to see gsm traffic into wireshark
2359 [16:25:10] <vNistelroot> im almost crying xd
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2363 [16:26:16] <hiole24> i installed curl
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2365 [16:26:47] <hiole24> and then i installed youtube-dl using this line
2366 [16:26:48] <hiole24> curl -L replaced-url
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2368 [16:27:04] <hiole24> but when i checked for the current version it is still the same a the old one
2369 [16:27:16] <hiole24> ( i did remover the older one before doing this )
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2372 [16:27:24] <hiole24> remove*
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2384 [16:30:04] <tiny> Is it possible to insert ionice/nice parameters to startup scripts in /etc/init.d/
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2401 [16:34:34] <hiole24> so i did downalod the tar file for the current version of youtube-dl and i run apt-get install youtube_dl-2017.5.9.tar.gz
2402 [16:34:40] <hiole24> and i get this message
2403 [16:34:55] <hiole24> Unable to locate package youtube_dl-2017.5.9.tar.gz
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2405 [16:35:06] <hiole24> Couldn't find any package by regex 'youtube_dl-2017.5.9.tar.gz'
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2409 [16:35:51] <jelly> hiole24: that curl was basically enough. Just chmod +x the resulting file
2410 [16:36:07] <jelly> you don't need the tarball
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2412 [16:36:32] <hiole24> but it did not work
2413 [16:36:44] <tw> did you run chmod +x on the file you downloaded?
2414 [16:37:05] <hiole24> yes
2415 [16:37:10] <hiole24> i runned this
2416 [16:37:13] <hiole24> curl -L replaced-url
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2420 [16:37:26] <hiole24> and then chmod a+rx /usr/local/bin/youtube-dl
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2428 [16:39:38] <hiole24> i just dont know right now
2429 [16:39:57] <jelly> hiole24: that's it then
2430 [16:40:02] <jelly> use it.
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2432 [16:40:32] <jelly> (as normal user, not root)
2433 [16:40:48] <hid3> Hello. Is MySQL server called 'mariadb' in Debian 9? What package(s) should I install to get the server running?
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2435 [16:41:13] <hiole24> let me try
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2446 [16:42:31] <jelly> hid3: default-mysql-server or mysql-server, probably.
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2448 [16:42:40] <hid3> hm.. Alright
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2450 [16:42:42] <jelly> ,v default-mysql-server
2451 [16:42:43] <judd> Package: default-mysql-server on amd64 -- jessie-backports: 1.0.1~bpo8+1; sid: 1.0.2; stretch: 1.0.2
2452 [16:43:09] <hiole24> oh wow it does work
2453 [16:43:19] <hiole24> btw
2454 [16:43:22] <hid3> It offers 'mariadb' installation. So Has MySQL been renamed or ..?
2455 [16:43:31] <hiole24> its pretty large channel
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2457 [16:43:48] <hiole24> is there a way to stop it and then make it download again from where it stoped
2458 [16:43:50] <hiole24> ?
2459 [16:44:11] <jelly> hid3: that's probably in the release notes for stretch, did you read those?
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2461 [16:44:21] <jelly> hid3: replaced-url
2462 [16:44:24] <hid3> Nope. Never waste my time for that
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2464 [16:44:43] <jelly> alight, I won't waste my time helping you further then
2465 [16:44:45] <tw> hiole24: it will skip files you have already downloaded after checking them.
2466 [16:45:34] <hid3> sorry, this is probably not what I meant and you understood
2467 [16:45:42] <hiole24> tw oh ok so if i run the same command again it will only download the ones that did not download
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2469 [16:46:05] <hid3> I usually check migration guides for best-practice migrations
2470 [16:46:10] <hiole24> thats great to know
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2472 [16:46:33] <hid3> and in this case, I'm setting up a new system, using a testing branch, which isn't really out yet
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2476 [16:47:27] <hiole24> i think youtube will require monthly payments just to use their website in few years
2477 [16:48:10] <hiole24> creating account just to use google will be the first thing
2478 [16:48:15] <hiole24> i mean youtube
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2495 [16:55:22] <petn-randall> hiole24: Why? The still make tons of money off the data they collect about you.
2496 [16:55:26] <petn-randall> *They
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2498 [16:56:20] <jelly> hid3: and now you know release notes are not just for upgrades.
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2501 [16:56:53] <petn-randall> hiole24: 80+% of Google's profits are still via targeted advertisement. Maintaining the youtube servers is only a small bump in the expenses.
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2503 [16:57:06] * petn-randall ponders moving this too -offtopic.
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2521 [17:02:50] <hid3> jelly: yep, I do. Thanks for heads-up. Noticed samba version has also changed, and from what I know, I'll have to redo quite a big section of my smb.conf, as currently mine is running on Wheezy
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2524 [17:05:08] <hiole24> petn-randall there is more and more people using adblock soon they will realize they making nothing
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2527 [17:05:23] <hiole24> and they will change it
2528 [17:05:25] <hiole24> OR
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2530 [17:05:33] <hiole24> they will say like every big company
2531 [17:05:34] <petn-randall> "soon"
2532 [17:05:37] <hiole24> we need more money
2533 [17:05:44] <petn-randall> hiole24: Let's move this to #debian-offtopic.
2534 [17:05:50] <hiole24> yep
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2571 [17:27:32] <setuid> What's the best, programmatic way to get a package's major version, other than: "dpkg-deb -f foo.deb Version | cut -b1"
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2606 [17:39:35] <jelly> setuid: that doesn't for a nonzero epoch
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2608 [17:40:23] <setuid> jelly: Can you give me an example?
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2610 [17:40:36] <jelly> Package: ntp
2611 [17:40:37] <jelly> Version: 1:4.2.6.p5+dfsg-7+deb8u1
2612 [17:40:40] <setuid> I've tripped on this in a bit of automation code/scripts (that I didn't write), and am trying to clean it up
2613 [17:41:14] <jelly> getting the "major" number is pretty much useless anyway
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2616 [17:42:05] <petn-randall> I think the epoch is pretty major, isn't it?
2617 [17:42:20] <jelly> wouldn't call it pretty
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2620 [17:42:46] <setuid> The caller looks like: if [ "$(dpkg-deb -f diamond.deb Version | cut -b1)" -le 3 ]; then .. rm -f diamond.deb; fi
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2625 [17:44:55] <jelly> and if there's no diamond.deb at all?
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2634 [17:47:31] <BanHammor> Hi! i'm trying to boot a qemu off a debootstrap with the second stage not yet done
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2637 [17:48:00] <BanHammor> it refuses to log me in, citing "PAM failure, aborting"
2638 [17:48:09] <BanHammor> what am I supposed to do here?
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2640 [17:49:16] <Shadow_7> push the caps lock key?
2641 [17:49:48] <BanHammor> what?
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2643 [17:50:10] <BanHammor> why would that help?
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2645 [17:50:19] <Shadow_7> most people trying to login with password often don't notice that the capslock key got triggered.
2646 [17:50:44] <Shadow_7> or that it was triggered when they created the password
2647 [17:51:17] <BanHammor> i haven't set a password. It's a debootstrap without having done the second stage, so packages didn't get configured yet
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2650 [17:52:00] <jelly> BanHammor: try to finish it up with qemu-user?
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2678 [18:07:22] <AlexPortable> Which version of php is included in debian?
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2685 [18:09:27] <Shadow_7> ,v php
2686 [18:09:28] <judd> Package: php on amd64 -- stretch: 1:7.0+49; sid: 1:7.0+52
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2689 [18:09:34] <niab> replaced-url
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2692 [18:09:43] <Shadow_7> ,v php5
2693 [18:09:44] <judd> Package: php5 on amd64 -- wheezy: 5.4.45-0+deb7u2; wheezy-security: 5.4.45-0+deb7u8; jessie: 5.6.30+dfsg-0+deb8u1; jessie-security: 5.6.30+dfsg-0+deb8u1
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2702 [18:14:20] <theseb> possible to "uninstall" LVM if doesn't work w/o reinstalling linux?
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2714 [18:19:03] <frostschutz> theseb, it depends on your specific partitioning/setup
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2716 [18:19:27] <AlexPortable> When will debian get php 7?
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2722 [18:20:33] <abrotman> AlexPortable: in which version of Debian?
2723 [18:20:38] <AlexPortable> Newest
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2725 [18:20:45] <abrotman> that's vague
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2727 [18:20:58] <abrotman> judd: versions php7.0
2728 [18:20:59] <judd> Package: php7.0 on amd64 -- sid: 7.0.14-2; stretch: 7.0.16-3; sid: 7.0.18-3
2729 [18:21:08] <AlexPortable> I don't have any debian version installed
2730 [18:21:14] <abrotman> Okay
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2786 [19:03:02] <setuid> jelly: Sorry, stepped away. There's always a diamond.deb, they output their download to that filename, but you have a valid point about versioning. There's no error checking here, jsut blind faith.
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2822 [19:16:20] <AlexPortable> Stretch will come shipped with php 7 right?
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2828 [19:18:13] <Brigo> AlexPortable, it is already in Stretch, yes.
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2926 [20:03:33] <Char0n> someone experience with virtualbox and debian? try to ssh in but get 'authentication failed'.
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2929 [20:03:53] <Char0n> normal login over virtualbox works fine. sshd is running. don't geti t.
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2939 [20:07:35] <teraflops> Char0n: are you ssh'ing to the right location? are the ip/port reachable?
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2943 [20:08:14] <Char0n> well i'm ssh to localhost. vm running on the same machine. so should work, no? get to the password promt so there is a connection
2944 [20:08:23] <teraflops> nope
2945 [20:09:07] <teraflops> …unless youre forwarding por 22 to the vm somehow
2946 [20:09:25] <Char0n> hm nope, i don't. i look into that. thanks
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2949 [20:10:13] <teraflops> I was about to ask you: what kind of network the vm has. nat/bridge?
2950 [20:10:14] <jhutchins> Char0n: You can add -v (up to -vvv) for more verbose output on the client, or check the logs on the server.
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2954 [20:11:07] <teraflops> I meant port^
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2957 [20:12:47] <Char0n> aah, works. port forwarding did the trick.
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3063 [20:52:52] <TikityTik> Why doesn't debian use the newest version of firefox?
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3067 [20:53:36] <setuid> Char0n: Are you ssh'ing to -p 2222 on localhost?
3068 [20:54:12] <Char0n> nope. 22 not 2222
3069 [20:54:15] <mutante> TikityTik: because it prefers to wait until possible bugs in the latest version have been sorted out and it becomes more stable
3070 [20:54:19] <Char0n> and as said, works fine now.
3071 [20:54:20] <setuid> Char0n: vboxmanage list runningvms | grep "[[:lower:]]*" | awk -F '[{}]' '{print $2}' | while read line; do vboxmanage showvminfo $line | grep Rule; done;
3072 [20:54:29] <greycat> TikityTik: because the most recent ESR version of Firefox broke so much shit.
3073 [20:54:34] <setuid> The default is 2222, unless you've changed it in your vbox rules
3074 [20:54:39] <greycat> Therefore Debian is still on the previous ESR series.
3075 [20:54:43] <TikityTik> greycat, so we have to wait on 45?
3076 [20:54:44] <qurious> TikityTik: What version are you currently using?
3077 [20:54:48] <TikityTik> qurious, 45
3078 [20:54:51] <Char0n> i'm running on a Win host. 22 was the standard. did not changed anything.
3079 [20:54:59] <qurious> TikityTik: I have 45.9.
3080 [20:55:11] <TikityTik> qurious, same
3081 [20:55:14] <greycat> You can do whatever you want. You want to run an upstream firefox? Download and run it. When all your shit breaks, you will see why Debian didn't elect to shove it at everyone.
3082 [20:55:21] <setuid> 22 was never the standard, not with vbox, we're not talking about sshd's port, we're talking about the vbox port-forward rules
3083 [20:55:29] <greycat> ,v firefox-esr
3084 [20:55:29] <qurious> greycat: Valid.
3085 [20:55:29] <judd> Package: firefox-esr on amd64 -- wheezy-security: 45.9.0esr-1~deb7u1; jessie: 45.9.0esr-1~deb8u1; jessie-security: 45.9.0esr-1~deb8u1; sid: 45.9.0esr-1; stretch: 45.9.0esr-1; jessie-backports/firefox-release: 52.1.0esr-1~bpo80+1; experimental: 52.1.0esr-1
3086 [20:55:49] <qurious> TikityTik: I'd prefer stability and securement.
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3089 [20:57:34] <TikityTik> Why is Debian using CUPS 1.7.5?
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3091 [20:58:14] <greycat> !stable
3092 [20:58:14] <dpkg> [stable] The status of a Debian release when no packages will be added, new versions introduced and changes will only fix security issues and critical bugs. Packages can be removed in rare circumstances. The current stable version of Debian is Jessie (8.8); ask me about <releases>. Security bugs are fixed in stable by backporting the fix to the stable version (ask me about <security backports>). replaced-url
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3095 [20:59:08] <greycat> dpkg, stable =~ s/, new versions introduced/ or version-bumped,/
3096 [20:59:08] <dpkg> greycat: OK
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3098 [20:59:37] <missmbob> say why one more time...
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3105 [21:04:42] <mutante> TikityTik: in general to find out you can do this: go to replaced-url
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3112 [21:08:22] <BanHammor> greycat, is there a place where i can read about said shit breaking?
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3115 [21:09:01] <Shadow_7> BanHammor: like bug reports?
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3118 [21:09:21] <greycat> The biggest one I can remember off hand is that newer Firefox will no longer play sound through ALSA; you have to have PulseAudio running.
3119 [21:09:25] <ryzokuken> Hey all! I wanted to install proprietary Nvidia drivers on my system
3120 [21:09:29] <Shadow_7> reportbug and apt-listbugs
3121 [21:10:17] <ryzokuken> The thing is, in lspci -nn, the Nvidia card is only listed as a 3D controller and only Intel card is listed as VGA controller.
3122 [21:10:30] <ryzokuken> Should the Nvidia card be listed as both of them?
3123 [21:10:42] <ryzokuken> Also, nvidia-detect couldn't detect it.
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3127 [21:11:15] <BanHammor> Optimus?
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3134 [21:15:09] <Shadow_7> does bumblebee handle that stuff?
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3147 [21:19:01] <xjoni> Hi i have a distro base debian, i need install drivers for amd card but i cant this
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3150 [21:20:19] <missmbob> !based on debian
3151 [21:20:19] <dpkg> Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare replaced-url
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3154 [21:20:56] <ryzokuken> BanHammor: Shadow_7: yes and yes
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3165 [21:24:08] <BanHammor> ryzokuken, you should probably follow this guide then: replaced-url
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3175 [21:27:38] <xjoni> :( but channel for distro deepin is dead
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3178 [21:28:18] <missmbob> doesnt make it appropriate to ask in here. be patient.
3179 [21:28:20] <greycat> Which makes one wonder why in the hell you would use it.
3180 [21:28:45] <n4dir> i often go to the car mechanic, in case i can't find a dentist. Seems to make sense
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3189 [21:33:09] <BanHammor> step one, switch to debian :P
3190 [21:33:37] <JPT> step two, write your own kernel :)
3191 [21:33:55] <Shadow_7> probably a reason why it's dead.
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3193 [21:35:28] <altyr> I doubt it's dead. It's just Chinese, so one would have to go to the Chinese web for help.
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3195 [21:36:00] <altyr> xjoni: a general Linux channel might be able to help
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3201 [21:38:50] <Shadow_7> Sadly ##linux requires a registered nick
3202 [21:39:21] <greycat> A solvable problem.
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3204 [21:40:06] <Shadow_7> but not a good recommendation for nubs who barely know how to use irc (or want to)
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3206 [21:41:10] <tsglove> hey man
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3209 [21:41:47] <xjoni> altyr wt channel?
3210 [21:42:00] <`Kevin> Shadow_7: its ideal to get rid of bots :)
3211 [21:42:43] <jhutchins> xjoni: Alternatively, install debian, get the card working in debian, take what you learn and fix the other distro.
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3213 [21:43:03] <aequatio42> hello @all :)
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3216 [21:43:56] <xjoni> hehe im noob i cant this jhutchins
3217 [21:44:20] <jhutchins> xjoni: That is why you do things to learn.
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3219 [21:44:34] <codebam_> I had power loss when I did an apt upgrade, the upgrade hadn't even started barely (just started downloading), but when I reboot and tried again it said everything was up to date?
3220 [21:44:36] <codebam_> how do I fix it
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3228 [21:47:02] <aequatio42> codebam: i really don't know if this will help, but i would try a 'apt-get autclean'
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3231 [21:47:25] <greycat> all that does is remove some .deb files from the cache
3232 [21:47:31] <greycat> after you fix the typo
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3235 [21:47:57] <jhutchins> codebam_: I would try aptitude -f install
3236 [21:48:15] <codebam_> greycat: that didn't work, thanks though
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3238 [21:48:24] <codebam_> jhutchins: I don't know what packages they were
3239 [21:48:26] <aequatio42> jhutchins: yes this often helps :D
3240 [21:48:55] <greycat> "apt-get -f install" does not require a package name
3241 [21:48:59] <jhutchins> codebam_: That's ok. aptitude -f install will look for broken packages/dependencies and try to fix them (see man page for details).
3242 [21:49:06] <codebam_> ohh okay
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3246 [21:50:40] <codebam_> I don't have "aptitude"?
3247 [21:50:50] <codebam_> also I can't figure out how to install it
3248 [21:50:53] <greycat> use apt-get instead.
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3250 [21:51:10] <codebam_> I tried that first, nothing happened
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3253 [21:51:52] <greycat> Check apt's log and see what happened. Maybe it finished and you just don't realize it yet.
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3259 [21:52:44] <n4dir> do i remember it wrong? Seems like if an upgrade was interrupted, the next run of apt-get upgrade told me to run "apt-get install -f "
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3262 [21:53:15] <altyr> xjoni: if you can get into ##linux you can ask them. not sure if they know, but that's the channel i had in mind
3263 [21:53:22] <greycat> He believes that something is wrong, but has no evidence yet that anything actually IS wrong.
3264 [21:53:45] <n4dir> yeah, that kinda was my point: probably nothing is wrong at all
3265 [21:53:49] <codebam_> last thing in my log is an install of rfkill
3266 [21:54:02] <codebam_> that was last night, I installed it myself
3267 [21:54:49] <codebam_> I can't find aptitude in my repos though
3268 [21:54:55] <codebam_> so obviously something is wrong
3269 [21:55:03] <greycat> stop worrying about aptitude. Some people think it's worth using. It's not.
3270 [21:55:24] <altyr> aptitude is the best
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3272 [21:55:30] <codebam_> okay I fixed it
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3274 [21:55:36] <n4dir> not sure about "apt-get check" Is it worth a try?
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3276 [21:55:45] <codebam_> I changed repos, and changed back
3277 [21:55:54] <codebam_> how do I force update?
3278 [21:55:59] <greycat> what.
3279 [21:56:01] <codebam_> (update, not upgrade)
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3282 [21:56:20] <codebam_> i.e. update my package lists forcefully even if apt thinks they're up to date
3283 [21:56:24] <greycat> So you believe that your *lists* (the things that apt-get update makes) are corrupt/missing?
3284 [21:56:33] <codebam_> they definitely were
3285 [21:56:43] <greycat> And running "apt-get update" again did not re-download them?
3286 [21:56:44] <codebam_> not missing, but apt thought they were up to date
3287 [21:56:46] <codebam_> they were not
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3289 [21:56:50] <codebam_> greycat: correct
3290 [21:56:54] <codebam_> I had to switch repos
3291 [21:56:59] <codebam_> and then it showed updates
3292 [21:57:13] <greycat> well, you could delete them. or you could edit sources.list, apt-get update, edit it BACK, apt-get update again.
3293 [21:57:40] <codebam_> so there isn't a command to force a package list update?
3294 [21:57:41] <codebam_> okay
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3302 [22:01:14] <gamozo> Is there a way to disable checks of InRelease expiration during an install? (installing from a offline mirror of debian that only updates every month or so)
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3307 [22:03:09] <gamozo> ah, was setting the check-valid-until option in the wrong /etc/ folder :P
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3321 [22:07:22] <randomgry> I found replaced-url
3322 [22:07:48] <codebam_> there is a telegram-desktop package in the repos, how can I download the source, update it to the latest version, and build it?
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3324 [22:08:00] <codebam_> using the existing package as a template ideally
3325 [22:08:38] <codebam_> I downloaded all the source files listed here replaced-url
3326 [22:08:42] <codebam_> but I don't know how to start
3327 [22:08:59] <altyr> ,checkbackport telegram-desktop
3328 [22:09:01] <judd> Backporting package telegram-desktop in sid→jessie/amd64: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: libmapbox-variant-dev, libmsgsl-dev, qtbase5-dev (>= 5.5), qtbase5-private-dev (>= 5.5).
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3330 [22:09:46] <altyr> codebam_: what version of debian are you on?
3331 [22:09:53] <codebam_> sid
3332 [22:10:13] <codebam_> I don't want to backport, I want to update the package
3333 [22:10:33] <missmbob> !uupdate
3334 [22:10:33] <dpkg> uupdate (in the <devscripts> package) upgrades a source code package from an upstream revision, or e.g. if the newest foo in debian is 1.2, and upstream is at 1.4: apt-get source foo; wget -nd replaced-url
3335 [22:10:34] <greycat> ... what.
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3341 [22:11:31] <simbalion`> Hi, no matter what program I use cd burning always fails, can anyone suggest a solution?
3342 [22:11:42] <BanHammor> simbalion`, what error?
3343 [22:12:11] <greycat> Classic generic answer: make sure your desktop crap is not automounting the CD while you are attempting to burn it.
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3345 [22:12:28] <missmbob> classic answer #2: get a new drive (larger buffer)
3346 [22:12:38] <simbalion`> BanHammor: (xfburn:24365): Gtk-CRITICAL **: IA__gtk_progress_set_percentage: assertion 'percentage >= 0 && percentage <= 1.0' failed
3347 [22:12:46] <codebam_> missmbob: thanks!
3348 [22:13:01] <simbalion`> it's an LG drive it should be supported
3349 [22:13:11] <missmbob> simbalion`: that's not a burning error and can be ignored
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3351 [22:13:28] <simbalion`> also this: ** (xfburn:24365): WARNING **: Could not automatically determine write mode: SAO: simulation of write job not supported by drive and media,
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3353 [22:13:46] <missmbob> also not an error and can be ignored
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3355 [22:14:01] <simbalion`> Those are the only errors the xfburn console shows
3356 [22:14:10] <missmbob> i understand that
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3358 [22:14:35] <BanHammor> what about a console cd burner?
3359 [22:14:38] <simbalion`> So why is it failing?
3360 [22:15:01] <altyr> simbalion`: how do you know it's failing?
3361 [22:15:08] <simbalion`> altyr: because it says "FAILED"
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3365 [22:15:22] <missmbob> i was right. get a new drive. :P
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3367 [22:15:29] <simbalion`> It's an LG drive it's not the drive
3368 [22:15:48] <BanHammor> run wodim and see what errors it outputs?
3369 [22:15:49] <greycat> Or try a different brand of media (classic answer #3). Some drives just HATE some brands of media.
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3371 [22:16:44] <simbalion`> It's not the media or the drive it's linux. Works fine in windows.
3372 [22:16:50] <missmbob> heh
3373 [22:16:54] <altyr> maybe it's a permissions thing?
3374 [22:17:08] <simbalion`> altyr: how so?
3375 [22:17:29] <altyr> i've never tried burning on linux, but not being in the right group to access devices is a common problem
3376 [22:17:37] <missmbob> could happen if you're not in the cdrom group
3377 [22:17:47] <greycat> "I can't tell you what drive it is, or what media it is, or what command I used, or what the exact error is, but I will spew GTK crap messages at you, and it said "FAILED" at some point, WHAT'S WRONG"
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3379 [22:17:53] <simbalion`> I can read from CD?
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3381 [22:18:16] <simbalion`> greycat: I just told you twice it's an LG drive
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3383 [22:18:33] <simbalion`> It's not the drive or the media. Some package is broken.
3384 [22:18:37] <missmbob> you're getting close to going on /ignore of many people...
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3387 [22:18:52] <simbalion`> missmbob: so what? :p nobody who's going to help me.
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3392 [22:19:03] <greycat> Try logging out of GNOME completely and burning it from a root login on a text console.
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3396 [22:19:17] <simbalion`> greycat: I'm using xfce4
3397 [22:19:23] <n4dir> give more info. How should anyone be able to help with that little info.
3398 [22:19:35] <greycat> And I don't mean just pressing Ctrl-Alt-F2 either. I mean actually KILLING all the desktop crap.
3399 [22:19:41] <greycat> Though even that may not be enough.
3400 [22:19:44] <simbalion`> n4dir: What would help? I've told you everything the computer reported to me.
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3406 [22:21:28] <jer0me> simbalion`: have you tried burning using the root user? (just to rule out some permission issues)
3407 [22:21:43] <simbalion`> jer0me: I'll try that, thanks
3408 [22:21:51] <n4dir> what programs did you use? what do you burn: data, music or iso ? did you run the programs from the commandline and did they offer more errors? yup: as user or root? as a different user? groups of the user? etc.
3409 [22:21:55] <greycat> jer0me: oh, he listens to you...
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3411 [22:22:15] <jer0me> greycat: I have a flute.
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3415 [22:22:39] <jer0me> pipe, whatever the legend says.
3416 [22:22:54] <simbalion`> Hrm it keeps saying simulation not supported, maybe that's why it's failing. I'll try a live burn.
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3418 [22:23:03] <greycat> ...
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3421 [22:23:20] <missmbob> christ
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3427 [22:26:13] <simbalion`> jer0me: thanks for the advice, running as root and disabling simulation worked, here's hoping it completes! :D
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3430 [22:27:31] <simbalion`> the media is M-DISC blu-rays, since someone asked, they're like $5 per disc and definitely not crap.
3431 [22:27:49] <missmbob> greycat: dumbass
3432 [22:27:51] <greycat> It's not about quality. It's about compatibility between drive and medium.
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3434 [22:28:11] <greycat> But in this case, the problem was between chair and keyboard, so we're all set.
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3485 [22:55:00] <jhutchins> What is the newer fork of imagemagick?
3486 [22:55:05] <codebam_> does anyone have any idea why debian would run so much cooler than arch?
3487 [22:55:12] <codebam_> in terms of cpu temperature
3488 [22:55:45] <greycat> Either because you are running less stuff, or because a different kernel/firmware set is changing your CPU speed, or who knows what.
3489 [22:55:52] <AlexPortable> how can I get a list of packages I installed myself ?
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3493 [22:56:32] <codebam_> actually it might be because I haven't enabled a compositor
3494 [22:56:43] <greycat> That falls under "running less stuff".
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3500 [23:00:21] <czyborra> codebam_ & greycat at :55 & likely OT: i cooled my temperature on my z60m by fiddling replaced-url
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3508 [23:01:35] <codebam_> czyborra: yep I've used that. I found that it's not worth it for the power usage though. it kills my battery really quick trying to keep it under 50C
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3510 [23:02:14] <coke> jhutchins: google "fork of imagemagick" its the first hit
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3520 [23:06:27] <jhutchins> Interesting, aptitude notifies me a "possible missing firmware" for my rtl8168, but no complaints in dmesg.
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3528 [23:09:43] <altyr> aptitude does firmware checking now?
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3530 [23:10:28] <altyr> jhutchins: maybe it's initramfs?
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3536 [23:12:23] <acresearch> hello people, dd if= of= not working in debian, am i doing it wrong?
3537 [23:13:00] <altyr> acresearch: what is the actual command you're using and what is the error you're getting?
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3540 [23:13:49] <acresearch> altyr: dd if=/home/acresearch/Desktop/ubuntu-gnome-16.04.2-desktop-amd64.iso of=/dev/sdb this is after su ---> error is no transfer happening..... 0 bytes (0 B) copied, 0.000359026 s, 0.0 kB/s
3541 [23:13:57] <jhutchins> coke: I thought I remembered different name.
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3543 [23:14:22] <greycat> acresearch: maybe /dev/sdb is the wrong output device. Where did you get the device name?
3544 [23:14:23] <jhutchins> Wow, gwenview wants to install 100 packages. ristretto is pretty stark, I want something with browse/slideshow.
3545 [23:14:36] <jhutchins> s/100/90/ to be ccurate.
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3547 [23:14:40] <acresearch> greycat: lsblk
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3551 [23:15:13] <greycat> ls -ld if=/home/acresearch/Desktop/ubuntu-gnome-16.04.2-desktop-amd64.iso
3552 [23:15:16] <greycat> oops
3553 [23:15:20] <greycat> ls -ld /home/acresearch/Desktop/ubuntu-gnome-16.04.2-desktop-amd64.iso
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3556 [23:15:50] <acresearch> greycat: -rw-r--r-- 1 acresearch acresearch 0 May 11 23:55 /home/acresearch/Desktop/ubuntu-gnome-16.04.2-desktop-amd64.iso
3557 [23:16:00] <greycat> It's a 0 byte file. That's why dd wrote 0 buyes.
3558 [23:16:03] <greycat> bytes
3559 [23:16:16] <acresearch> hello people, dd if= of= not working in debian, am i doing it wrong?oh
3560 [23:16:21] <acresearch> oh
3561 [23:16:36] <acresearch> greycat: you are right
3562 [23:16:47] <acresearch> thanks for pointing this out, i'll re-download it :-)
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3564 [23:17:01] <missmbob> and then go to #ubuntu for help
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3572 [23:20:50] <AlexPortable> how can I get a list of packages I installed myself ?
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3583 [23:24:18] <sorin-mihai> i'm trying to figure out how to preseed a custom partitioning using gpt instead of mbr, raid10 for the 2nd and 3rd partitions on both disks, and the rest of the disks should remain free. is it doable, anyone has any hints on this?
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3590 [23:27:16] <oty> AlexPortable, replaced-url
3591 [23:27:32] <altyr> sorin-mihai: here's some reading for you replaced-url
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3595 [23:28:09] <oty> sorin-mihai, preseed a paritioning ? What does this means ? x)
3596 [23:28:18] <oty> wow
3597 [23:28:30] <oty> Okay, nevermind :p
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