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78 [00:54:23] <Teapot_> HI. So I did an apt-get update and apt-get dist-upgrade. Thunderbird has now replaced Icedove and my profiles no longer work. I've created new profiles, but now I can't get links to open properly or send emails with attachments. I can't find any solution that works. Has TB completely replace icedove? I'm thinking of trying an uninstall of TB and reinstall.
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121 [01:19:19] <flound1129> how does /proc get mounted on Jessie?
122 [01:19:23] <flound1129> I can't find it anywhere
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124 [01:20:26] <missmbob> it's virtual part of the kernel
125 [01:20:32] <flound1129> how do I change the mount options?
126 [01:20:43] <flound1129> sysctl?
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136 [01:25:04] <rudi_s> flound1129: /etc/fstab
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138 [01:25:18] <rudi_s> e.g. proc /proc proc defaults,hidepid=2 0 0
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144 [01:28:19] <flound1129> rudi_s: it's not in fstab
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147 [01:29:02] <missmbob> of course it's not.
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152 [01:29:54] <flound1129> if it was I wouldn't be here
153 [01:30:07] <missmbob> 18:20 < missmbob> it's virtual part of the kernel
154 [01:30:10] <Ben64> might help if you describe your actual issue
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159 [01:31:20] <flound1129> I'm asking how /proc gets mounted on Jessie. I need to change the hidepid mount option.
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161 [01:31:39] <Epakai> replaced-url
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163 [01:32:02] <zarkos> hello, if you flush the rules on a fw on debian does it allow all access ? is it dangerous ?
164 [01:32:10] <missmbob> Epakai: oh he's crossposting?
165 [01:32:20] <flound1129> Is adding to fstab the correct solution though or is it going to be overwritten by something else on next reboot
166 [01:32:23] <missmbob> !crosspost
167 [01:32:23] <dpkg> Posting the same question in several places at the same time (IRC channels, news groups, mailing lists, forums) is impolite; your time is NOT more valuable than everyone else's. Your question might be answered elsewhere, meanwhile we are wasting our time doing research for a problem you've already solved. Cross-posting can also make you look like a spammer and get you k:lined. See also <multiple ask> <hurry>.
168 [01:32:30] <missmbob> flound1129: dont waste our time
169 [01:32:45] <flound1129> crossposting? I am only chatting in here
170 [01:33:10] <Epakai> missmbob: the whole convo has been in here, i was just linking a source i found
171 [01:33:14] <at0m> missmbob: dpkg: tell zarkos about crosspost
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174 [01:34:10] <at0m> but look like zarkos found help elsewhere =)
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192 [01:41:12] <redrabbit> for some reason when i boot my old laptop i can't login to lxde it just goes back to login screen
193 [01:41:15] <redrabbit> via ssh works
194 [01:41:36] <AlexWkz> Hi All
195 [01:41:46] <redrabbit> i rebooted many time before no issue. lookin' at bash history trying to see what i messed up
196 [01:41:49] <redrabbit> hi
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198 [01:41:57] <AlexWkz> I need to confess I've done a BooBoo...
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201 [01:42:57] <AlexWkz> accidently dd'ed my LUKS encrypted external HDD with some .iso (live usb)...
202 [01:43:22] <flound1129> bye bye luks
203 [01:43:39] <AlexWkz> that was quick..
204 [01:43:46] <AlexWkz> oh well...
205 [01:43:51] <flound1129> unless you had a backup
206 [01:44:07] <flound1129> most likely you overwrote the key
207 [01:44:11] <AlexWkz> at leas I've learned to backup first 2MB
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210 [01:45:06] <AlexWkz> :( I was hoping for some light at the end of the tunnel...
211 [01:45:19] <Ben64> don't use encryption :D
212 [01:45:27] <AlexWkz> :)
213 [01:46:04] <AlexWkz> If I had a backup of those first 2MB - would that be fine? (for future)
214 [01:46:25] <flound1129> Not sure, depends on how luks stores data
215 [01:46:46] <flound1129> and how much you overwrote
216 [01:47:08] <AlexWkz> I've overwrote about 1.8GB
217 [01:47:13] <AlexWkz> twice...
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219 [01:47:55] <flound1129> well, assuming best case whatever was in the first 1.8G of files would not be retrievable
220 [01:48:21] <AlexWkz> I could live with that - it was 2TB hdd so ...
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222 [01:51:46] <AlexWkz> oh well... haven't dd'ed wrong drive for years... so started to be too adventurous and so the shit happens
223 [01:51:56] <AlexWkz> lesson learned (again)
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226 [01:53:30] <zarkos> at0m: yes :-)
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234 [01:57:21] <rudi_s> flound1129: Add it to fstab with custom options.
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251 [02:05:55] <karsten_> Question on kernel-pkg.conf: does the pgp line have to be a short (8-char) keyID, or can it be a full fingerprint, and if the latter, formatted how?
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258 [02:08:05] <deadman36g> Can someone help me figure out why my duplicati docker container has such slow network speed?
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296 [02:30:41] <davidebeatrici_> jhutchins_wk: I switched to KDE Neon, because in Debian the DE becomes very slow if I disable the monitor connected to the AMD
297 [02:31:19] <davidebeatrici_> Here both video outputs worked out of the box
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300 [02:32:21] <davidebeatrici_> The problem is that the games performance is poor
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414 [04:08:38] <moony> nodejs-dev:
415 [04:08:38] <moony> Depends: libv8-3.14-dev but it is not going to be installed
416 [04:08:38] <moony> Depends: libssl-dev but it is not going to be installed
417 [04:08:38] <moony> Depends: libc-ares-dev but it is not going to be installed
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420 [04:08:47] <moony> oh derp
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428 [04:10:45] <moony> replaced-url
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445 [04:23:09] <somiaj> !bat
446 [04:23:09] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
447 [04:23:17] <somiaj> moony: ^^
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449 [04:23:41] <moony> mk
450 [04:24:02] <moony> Also, managed to get help from a friend. Thanks tho.
451 [04:25:07] <moony> turns out it was due to the broken PPA i hadn't bothered to remove (it lacked amd64 support :C)
452 [04:25:24] <somiaj> !don't break debian
453 [04:25:25] <dpkg> hmm... dont break debian is replaced-url
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520 [05:32:42] <Thraul> afternoon all :D
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548 [05:57:31] <arzg> Is "dpkg: error processing package initramfs-tools (--configure)" a known error?
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551 [05:58:49] <TomG_> i don't know, but it's a common one because there's a lot that goes with that package
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556 [06:01:31] <arzg> oh I see what happened I think
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559 [06:03:45] <arzg> busybox was uninstalled accidentally, but I didn't realise that was an issue since it's a rec, not a dep, for initramfs-tools-core.
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580 [06:30:17] <ryouma> huh
581 [06:30:36] <ryouma> can you get in trouble if you use busybox-static instead, because initramfs* is used to busybox?
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587 [06:37:12] <TomG_> i think busybox-static will still work
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604 [06:56:48] <luke-jr> How do I complain about meaningless removals? replaced-url
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607 [06:57:32] <awal1> ./msg judd version ettercap-text-only
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613 [06:59:48] <themill> luke-jr: it might help if you explain what's meaningless about it
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615 [07:01:56] <themill> (and it's too late to care about those packages now; they've been rc-buggy and unfixed for ages and they will not be in stretch)
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617 [07:06:08] <awal1> btw, how come that libblkmaker migrated to testing durring full freeze?
618 [07:06:23] <themill> it didn't
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620 [07:07:29] <awal1> themill, oh, sorry , I was confused 2016 vs 2016 :P
621 [07:07:37] <awal1> 2016 vs 2017
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623 [07:08:14] <themill> the years just roll by sometimes
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625 [07:09:51] <themill> luke-jr: in this particular case, you had 6 weeks to offer more information, potential fixes or say that the triage was wrong. It's just too late now.
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629 [07:14:08] <luke-jr> themill: I tried to send more information, and got ignored as far as I can tell
630 [07:14:23] <themill> there is no additional information in the bug report
631 [07:14:33] <luke-jr> I don't see any bug report.
632 [07:14:45] <themill> replaced-url
633 [07:14:46] <judd> Bug replaced-url
634 [07:14:53] <themill> autoremovals happen on the basis of bugs
635 [07:14:58] <luke-jr> all I got was a bunch of noreply emails, to which I replied to the debian maintainer email
636 [07:15:03] <luke-jr> well, there is no bug in this case
637 [07:15:12] <themill> there is a bug report....
638 [07:15:34] <themill> replying to that email would have been sufficient to deliver more information ;(
639 [07:15:50] <luke-jr> the source email was <noreply@release.debian.org>
640 [07:16:10] <luke-jr> the obvious fix would be to bump libblkmaker to a newer version, or just build bfgminer without libblkmaker (it's an optional dep)
641 [07:16:50] <themill> No, the bug email was sent to you back in 12 Mar
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645 [07:17:59] <themill> that might be obvious to you but that information isn't in the bug report so no-one unfamiliar with the package would have been able to know that
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648 [07:20:31] <luke-jr> no emails about "libblkmaker" or "debian" this year, except for these ones from <noreply@release.debian.org> (which don't mention a bug)
649 [07:21:46] <themill> replaced-url
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651 [07:22:26] <themill> The fact that no-one did anything with an RC bug (not even replying to the bug to query if it is RC) makes the package not suitable for release.
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654 [07:23:29] <luke-jr> oh, I'm supposed to magically know that "858377" in the email is a bug number?
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656 [07:23:48] <themill> Well it's a debian email about debian bugs so yeah
657 [07:23:55] <luke-jr> anyhow, as you note, I did reply there
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659 [07:24:04] <themill> and yeah, replaced-url
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661 [07:24:59] <themill> and also went to the maintainer list to which you seem to be subscribed
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663 [07:26:58] <themill> Anyway, that's the sequence that occurred. The only people who can let the package back into stretch are the release team and I think I can confidently predict that their answer will be "if the maintainers didn't care about the package enough to do something about it then they don't care enough about it to get it back into stretch". It can enter stretch-backports as soon as they are open for uploads.
664 [07:27:42] <themill> And tbh with the speed at which *coin packages seem to be deprecated, keeping them out of stable and using backports mightn't be a bad option in any case
665 [07:28:02] <themill> (FTR, upgrade to a new version of the library also wasn't an option during the freeze)
666 [07:28:16] <luke-jr> oh well
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668 [07:28:51] <luke-jr> it wasn't really even that much deprecated - it would still work fine in most scenarios, just not one case
669 [07:29:13] <themill> fun
670 [07:29:19] <luke-jr> it'd be like removing OpenOffice because Microsoft released a new version of Word it wasn't compatible with :p
671 [07:29:22] <themill> we do see this with lots of *coin packages all the time
672 [07:29:44] <themill> they get broken 2 weeks after the new release and then get removed from stable
673 [07:29:46] <luke-jr> yes, the main client definitely shouldn't get pinned in a release
674 [07:30:09] <themill> except that's the point of debian releases
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676 [07:30:28] <luke-jr> no, I'm agreeing with you: in that case, keeping it out of the release makes perfect sense
677 [07:30:52] <themill> so maybe poking the maintainers for a backports upload in a few weeks would be good?
678 [07:30:55] <luke-jr> (although BFGMiner isn't one of those cases typically)
679 [07:31:13] <luke-jr> maybe
680 [07:31:17] <themill> (also, that maintainer team clearly could do with more hands on deck -- you offering? ;)
681 [07:31:25] <luke-jr> no, I don't even use Debian actually
682 [07:31:37] <ozmage> hello
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684 [07:32:22] <ozmage> im using debian oldstable 7 with nvidia 96.43 legacy and i cant stop the screen tearing
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706 [08:01:37] <random_numbers> Is it too soon for there to be a guide to upgrade from jessie to stretch?
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709 [08:05:05] <awal1> replaced-url
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712 [08:06:35] <random_numbers> Hm, with any luck they'll include leiningen.
713 [08:08:00] <somiaj> replaced-url
714 [08:08:37] <somiaj> random_numbers: -- note the guide may not be complete, but it is there
715 [08:08:55] <random_numbers> somiaj: Neat, thanks.
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717 [08:11:44] <awal1> "The upgrade process for some previous releases recommended the use of aptitude for the upgrade. This tool is not recommended for upgrades from jessie to stretch." Nice note but whithout any explanation ???!!! :P
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722 [08:12:51] <somiaj> they evolve side by side but at different speeds, and at times one tool's logic is more reliable.
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725 [08:15:15] <themill> awal1: that was also the case for stretch to wheezy and wheezy to jessie, I think
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727 [08:16:41] <themill> etch->lenny was the last time aptitude was recommended and that time it made the upgrade much more reliable to use it. For later releases, it was unable to compute the upgrade.
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729 [08:17:30] <somiaj> was that when udev was added? I recall that one being a pain for many.
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731 [08:18:34] <themill> lenny->squeeze required the "upgrade kernel and udev in lockstep" dance
732 [08:19:05] <somiaj> awal1: but it just boils down to the versions in a paticular upgrade, which software apt-get or aptitude's logic is more relabile at figuring out the best course of action.
733 [08:19:16] <somiaj> awal1: it may change again as things deep developing.
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735 [08:19:25] <somiaj> themill: ahh that was the one.
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743 [08:21:44] <awal1> themill, somiaj, I personally haven't had conflict apt-get vs aptitude under sid since 3 /4 years now, but I never used aptitude for migrate from old stable to stable. I can just be "confident" with the official recommendation, so :P
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748 [08:23:20] <themill> awal1: this isn't about a conflict due to switching tools but that aptitude can't compute the upgrade path at all
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750 [08:23:57] <awal1> themill, oh, ok. I get it now
751 [08:23:57] <themill> It can spend hours and hours getting itself more confused and eventually suggest that removing aptitude is the best option.
752 [08:24:07] <awal1> :D
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755 [08:26:41] <somiaj> it just wants to remove itself because it is tired of working, okay I'm done, remove me.
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761 [08:29:06] <awal1> Number concerning the next release: 141
762 [08:29:53] <awal1> at least 1 month more, probably :P
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780 [08:46:52] <yang> Is "Intel i211AT 1Gbps" NIC well supported in Debian ?
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840 [09:49:51] <lechatnoir> What's the general suggestion for keeping Firefox installed to current w/in Debian?
841 [09:50:19] <lechatnoir> jessie is 45.9, current is 53, last I checked.
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851 [09:56:14] <blackflow> lechatnoir: Debian traditionally keeps only the ESR (LTS) versions of FF
852 [09:57:28] <lechatnoir> blackflow: Thanks. I suspected that. I've been getting used to auto-updates on OSX lately.
853 [09:58:02] <lechatnoir> I think the issue's been discussed with FFX and Chrome/Chromium, though I don't know what's been settled.
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855 [09:58:54] <blackflow> thing is, beta and aurora no longer exist, so I guess the only way to get a rather newer release is to back port it from experimental
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861 [10:00:25] <nacknime> damn rust
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864 [10:01:42] <blackflow> perhaps you could try installing it from flatpak or snaps, I see there's a flatpak package, tho' no snaps yet
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873 [10:08:56] <lechatnoir> Looking at the backports of xserver-org-video-{ati,radeon}, both date from November. Looks as if the xorg fixed versions weren't shipped until 16 December 2016. Feh.
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887 [10:16:36] <pingfloyd> I just run the current version of firefox from mozilla
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889 [10:18:16] <nacknime> from the tarball?
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944 [11:00:09] <lechatnoir> And ... 153 minutes later ... another new kernel to try.
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954 [11:10:53] <DoctorD90> hello dear! i tried without any chance to to let work my wifi. can i ask you help? ath10k 168c:0042
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956 [11:13:06] <lechatnoir> DoctorD90: Ask away
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960 [11:14:33] <lechatnoir> DoctorD90: ... though I'm headed out.
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965 [11:17:50] <DoctorD90> T.T... btw I dont know what other say. it doesnt work, it is realtek, i have tried to download driver backports, installed, but nothing
966 [11:18:06] <jelly> DoctorD90: which debian release? ath10k is ATHeros, not realtek
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968 [11:19:00] <jelly> DoctorD90: is that a usb id or a pci id
969 [11:19:04] <DoctorD90> jelly: good morning :) jessie, installed last night from netinstall, amd i findout a bug in 30_uefi-firmware too(that i have to report)
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972 [11:20:33] <DoctorD90> jelly: when i run lspci|grep network it reports qualcomm aetheros. I looked for QCA(numedber i dont remeber now), and it say [168c:0042] (rev31)
973 [11:20:53] <DoctorD90> it is the wifi inside wifi
974 [11:21:48] <jelly> DoctorD90: run lspci -nn, paste the relevant line
975 [11:22:40] <DoctorD90> i did it last nigth from pc...now im coming back tohome...if you can scroll at last nigth(00:30 more or less) you can find out all that stuff :D
976 [11:22:58] <DoctorD90> or better.... i have on pastebin the lspci output...1second
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979 [11:24:08] <jelly> so... you don't have access to that machine right now?
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981 [11:24:35] <DoctorD90> not in that precise moment
982 [11:24:38] <DoctorD90> replaced-url
983 [11:24:49] <jelly> then come back and ask again when you do.
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985 [11:26:18] <DoctorD90> >.> the funny is that when I ask and im in front of pc no one reply xD when i ask away from pc I find people that could help xP hehe..btw Ok :)
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987 [11:29:19] <jelly> DoctorD90: well I could tell you to install kernel and firmware-atheros from jessie-backports, but I don't know how many hours is there to wait to see if that makes any difference
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990 [11:30:23] <jelly> DoctorD90: and I could ask which _precise_ commands and output did you mean when you said "tried to download driver backports, installed"
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993 [11:32:06] <DoctorD90> sure jelly! thk you!
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998 [11:33:22] <DoctorD90> i installed firmware-nonfree from backports..or better. I moved my hdd from old acer to new one. but it doesnt recognize wifi. So i tried to install. once install it doesnt display the wifi
999 [11:33:38] <DoctorD90> i followed that guide...(im retrieving)
1000 [11:34:18] <DoctorD90> replaced-url
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1002 [11:35:14] <domovoy> hi
1003 [11:35:36] <DoctorD90> instead of that package, that old backports, i installed running these commands but with latest backports available form the wifi kernel site
1004 [11:35:55] <DoctorD90> i have the wifi of that guide, but rev 31, not 30
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1008 [11:37:27] <DoctorD90> im approching to home. 10min and i can run all commands
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1030 [11:51:06] <_sfiguser> hello all, i did a dist-upgrade... and debian changed my wallpaper... in i3, how can i set back to my wallpaper ?
1031 [11:51:13] <DoctorD90> jelly shoots the commands! :D
1032 [11:51:21] <_sfiguser> i mean where is the instruction which is actually setting this wallpaper ? in which config file ?
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1045 [11:58:08] <DoctorD90> pastebin.com/MyAfmmcB
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1047 [11:59:56] <DoctorD90> jelly: ^^^ :) thx
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1059 [12:02:14] <jelly> DoctorD90: read these and install kernel and firmware-atheros from backports: /msg dpkg jessie-backports /msg dpkg bdo kernel
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1064 [12:03:39] <DoctorD90> ok! (probably i installed firmware-nonfree from backports because during installation it said it was looking for a rtl_nic/8411fw2 or similar that i find out in firmware non free....but i go to read your tip! :D thx
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1075 [12:08:37] <DoctorD90> jelly, do you suggest me to install directly new kernel from backports?
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1085 [12:17:23] <jelly> DoctorD90: yes
1086 [12:17:47] <DoctorD90> ok i go trying :D
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1089 [12:18:06] <DoctorD90> netinstaller added backports yet
1090 [12:18:06] <jelly> DoctorD90: if you have other hardware that needs firmware, make sure to install that other firmware from jessie-backports as well.
1091 [12:18:22] <DoctorD90> jelly just a simple question
1092 [12:18:35] <DoctorD90> im going to install from jessie backports
1093 [12:18:45] <DoctorD90> once strecth will be released
1094 [12:18:54] <DoctorD90> they will automatically updated?
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1098 [12:19:12] <DoctorD90> and i can delete jessie backports from sources.list?
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1101 [12:20:36] <T6> hi
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1104 [12:21:42] <jelly> DoctorD90: yes, updating sources.list is part of the upgrade procedure in release notes
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1107 [12:22:22] <T6> i am tryin to setup vpn in kali, but i canot connect to privateaccess.com
1108 [12:22:45] <T6> timeouts all the time
1109 [12:23:03] <bazhang> the kali channel for support T6
1110 [12:23:04] <DoctorD90> jelly so once it will be relased, i have to just edit the source.list, great!and last nigth I find out on documentation "apt-get -t jessie-backports" but it doesnt work....only with aptitude -t
1111 [12:23:13] <bazhang> #kali-linux
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1113 [12:23:32] <T6> tnx
1114 [12:23:42] <bazhang> np
1115 [12:23:42] <DoctorD90> T6, 1: as bazhang said, ask in #kali-linux 2:are you sure it is working? i mean the vpn is online?
1116 [12:23:46] <T6> #kali-linux
1117 [12:23:58] <DoctorD90> T6, run /join #kali-linux
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1119 [12:25:20] <jelly> DoctorD90: apt-get -t jessie-backports install ... ought to work.
1120 [12:25:24] <jelly> !doesn't work
1121 [12:25:24] <dpkg> "Doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions>, <sicco> and <errors>.
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1124 [12:26:55] <jelly> !bat
1125 [12:26:55] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
1126 [12:26:57] <DoctorD90> uhm....i run it again otherwise...last nigth it wotn work...probaly i was tired
1127 [12:28:38] <DoctorD90> ....lol now it runs...ok probably i runned a mistypo last n8...sorry for disturb :P im going to create bug report for installing issue while on new pc let's install new kernel
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1129 [12:30:31] <DoctorD90> to report a bug in installer in netsintall what for what package have I to open bugreport?
1130 [12:30:57] <DoctorD90> debian-installer?
1131 [12:31:00] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
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1133 [12:33:35] <DoctorD90> jelly, some error: pastebin.com/aiSX1kDR
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1139 [12:35:39] <jelly> DoctorD90: which package does /etc/grub.d/30_uefi-firmware belong to?
1140 [12:36:03] <jelly> DoctorD90: if it's a firmware package, did you upgrade it to jessie-backports as well?
1141 [12:37:21] <DoctorD90> jelly, it is the bug I and Jordan_U have encoutered last nigth ininstalling from netinstall. If you remeber my first problem installing jessie from netinstall was in grub installing. Last n8 I reinstalled, and grub failed to install. I open shell from installer, and with Jordan_U we have encoutered an error in 30-uefi-firmaware file
1142 [12:37:23] <DoctorD90> in line 34
1143 [12:37:28] <jelly> DoctorD90: pastebin that file, or show line 34 at least
1144 [12:37:40] <DoctorD90> i was creating a bug reportnow infact :P
1145 [12:37:41] <jelly> DoctorD90: which package does it belong to?
1146 [12:37:50] <DoctorD90> grub installer
1147 [12:37:57] <jelly> that's not a package name...
1148 [12:38:06] <DoctorD90> wait..belong...i check a moment the verb :P
1149 [12:38:14] <jelly> dpkg -S /etc/grub.d/30_uefi-firmware
1150 [12:38:14] <dpkg> You Fool! /etc/grub.d/30_uefi-firmware is installed!
1151 [12:38:21] <jelly> dpkg: hush
1152 [12:38:21] <dpkg> Fine, I'll shut up.
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1155 [12:39:34] <DoctorD90> ah ok, yes, it comes with installer
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1157 [12:39:48] <DoctorD90> during installation stage
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1159 [12:40:32] <DoctorD90> installer install grub and 30_uefi-firmaware it self. Jordan_U said it is debian related, because it is not in GRUB mainline
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1161 [12:41:07] * jelly gives up
1162 [12:43:06] <DoctorD90> jelly, replaced-url
1163 [12:43:43] <DoctorD90> issue according to me is: $(printf %x \'"$(cat $OsIndications | cut -b1)") & 1
1164 [12:44:11] <DoctorD90> it gives back 1f & 1 = 1...the dear grub doesnt know what the hell is happened :P
1165 [12:45:17] <jelly> DoctorD90: whcih package does that file belong to?
1166 [12:45:33] <jelly> DoctorD90: what does dpkg -S /etc/grub.d/30_uefi-firmware say?
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1168 [12:45:45] <DoctorD90> i dont know. It is a fresh system....oh i run immediatly
1169 [12:45:57] <jelly> FIND FUCKING OUT
1170 [12:46:24] <bazhang> !caps
1171 [12:46:24] <DoctorD90> grub-common
1172 [12:46:24] <dpkg> Don't write words all in capital letters unless they're abbreviations. To emphasize words, put an underscore ("_") on both sides.
1173 [12:47:35] <jelly> DoctorD90: okay, which version of grub-common do you have installed?
1174 [12:47:39] <jelly> ,v grub-common
1175 [12:47:40] <judd> Package: grub-common on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.99-27+deb7u3; wheezy-security: 1.99-27+deb7u3; jessie: 2.02~beta2-22+deb8u1; jessie-security: 2.02~beta2-22+deb8u1; sid: 2.02~beta3-5; stretch: 2.02~beta3-5
1176 [12:48:24] <DoctorD90> using netinstaller for amd64 stable, i think 2.02~beta2-22+deb8u1...how can I see it?
1177 [12:48:38] <jelly> dpkg -l grub-common, or dpkg -s grub-common
1178 [12:48:38] <dpkg> ii grub-common, or dpkg -s grub-common 2.6-3 jelly's private porn collection
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1182 [12:49:41] <DoctorD90> yea, I confirm. 2.02~beta2-22+deb8u1
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1184 [12:50:05] <jelly> DoctorD90: edit that fine, replace %x with 0x%x in that line
1185 [12:50:09] <jelly> that file*
1186 [12:50:15] <DoctorD90> ok....1sec
1187 [12:50:22] <jelly> thing's been fixed in stretch, but not jessie
1188 [12:50:45] <jelly> [ "$(( $(printf 0x%x \'"$(cat $OsIndications | cut -b1)") & 1 ))" = 1 ]; then
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1190 [12:51:17] <jelly> DoctorD90: then run "dpkg --configure -a"
1191 [12:51:35] <DoctorD90> Jordan_U, ^^^^ it is there yet a bugfix :P
1192 [12:51:40] <DoctorD90> jelly, ok i rin
1193 [12:51:46] <jelly> to finish pending package installations
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1196 [12:52:59] <DoctorD90> jelly, how do you find out "solution", i mean how do you find out the "patch" of that file? i would like to learn, so maaybe next time i will not *stress* :P
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1198 [12:53:26] <jelly> looked at a stretch installation
1199 [12:53:46] <DoctorD90> where?
1200 [12:53:54] <jelly> on a stretch installation.
1201 [12:53:55] <DoctorD90> ps. done, all done, rebooting
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1203 [12:54:07] <DoctorD90> ah directly on a installed pc, gotcha
1204 [12:54:25] <jelly> installed pc, installed vm, sure
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1206 [12:55:03] <jelly> DoctorD90: did you upgrade all the firmware packages to jessie-backports
1207 [12:55:42] <jelly> firmware, in general, has to match kernel version
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1209 [12:56:18] <jelly> DoctorD90: so if you want to boot a kernel from jessie-backports, it needs firmware from the same place to work correctly
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1213 [12:56:54] <jelly> if you have older firmware, some drivers may fail to work on newer kernel
1214 [12:56:56] <DoctorD90> .....infact it wont to boot
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1218 [12:58:22] <DoctorD90> im booting from advanced/stalbe kernel
1219 [12:59:12] <jelly> DoctorD90: how does the bpo kernel fail to boot?
1220 [13:00:20] <DoctorD90> once grub showes me the debian bacground, it start, and it stay blocked to wpa supplicant. It said once loaded LUKS that it failed to load ath10k driver(but it just blinked the screen, i cant read it well)
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1223 [13:01:09] <DoctorD90> I try to delete settings I did following that guide to fix the issue
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1228 [13:02:15] <jelly> problems with wifi driver should not make the machine fail in boot process
1229 [13:02:27] <jelly> DoctorD90: what does "just blinked the screen" mean?
1230 [13:02:42] <jelly> do you have ethernet connectivity in the meantime?
1231 [13:02:58] <DoctorD90> jelly, at boot, it push so many line in just 1 second, and screen scroll the text too fast
1232 [13:03:15] <DoctorD90> yea, it was the only solution to download from netinstaller
1233 [13:03:27] <jelly> DoctorD90: you can use Shift-PageUp to scroll back
1234 [13:03:40] <DoctorD90> *_* the secret tip of life!!!
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1239 [13:04:13] <jelly> where does the boot process stop? Can you take a screenshot with a separate camera and upload it?
1240 [13:04:55] <DoctorD90> sure
1241 [13:04:58] <DoctorD90> once seconds
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1245 [13:06:08] <jelly> imgur.com or picpaste.com or wherever
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1248 [13:07:30] <MaDMaLKaV> Hi people. Is there something like pfsense / opnsense Debian based?
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1251 [13:10:45] <DoctorD90> jelly, i was thinking: and If i directly install next branch? then update all the system? more or less, next month it will be released...
1252 [13:10:53] <DoctorD90> this would not be faster?
1253 [13:11:03] <DoctorD90> than just adjust all minimal stuff?
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1256 [13:13:12] <DoctorD90> what do you think?
1257 [13:13:39] <DoctorD90> or better.....just wait stretch rollout...
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1259 [13:14:20] <jelly> DoctorD90: you can certainly try, just be aware stretch will not have proper security updates before the actual release
1260 [13:14:51] <DoctorD90> i will not go on strange site hehehe....
1261 [13:15:18] <DoctorD90> ok...i go to try :D ...but it isnt there the netinstall of stretch?
1262 [13:15:26] <DoctorD90> under unstable/testing?
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1267 [13:17:01] <spacebug^> do packages from jessie-backports get security updates?
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1269 [13:17:36] <TomTomTo1> nope, just through irregular version bumps.
1270 [13:17:45] <spacebug^> hum, ok
1271 [13:18:16] <DoctorD90> find out! :D ....lets give it a shoot :D
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1275 [13:20:22] <DoctorD90> jelly, thx for all your work!!!
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1278 [13:20:41] <DoctorD90> im going to format and try stretch :P
1279 [13:20:48] <DoctorD90> I hope this will work ahahah
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1281 [13:21:05] <DoctorD90> even if I will have to reinstall/copy all fom actul system to new one...
1282 [13:21:14] <jelly> don't forget to use firmware images
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1284 [13:22:04] <DoctorD90> ??
1285 [13:22:07] <DoctorD90> what do you mean
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1287 [13:22:42] <DoctorD90> using netinst of testing, it should install "jessie-backports" kernel automatically
1288 [13:22:55] <DoctorD90> so I should do nothing...or do I wrong?
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1295 [13:26:34] <jelly> I mean
1296 [13:26:37] <jelly> !firmware images
1297 [13:26:37] <dpkg> Unofficial <netinst> images - containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for installing Debian 8 "Jessie" are available from replaced-url
1298 [13:26:40] <jelly> but for stretch.
1299 [13:26:50] <jelly> DoctorD90: so perhaps replaced-url
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1301 [13:28:53] <DoctorD90> ah...do you suggest directly the unofficial?
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1303 [13:29:02] <DoctorD90> i was downloading normal/official...
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1305 [13:29:11] <DoctorD90> but yea...lets learn!
1306 [13:29:35] <jelly> DoctorD90: because you really want to download firmware manually after the fact?
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1308 [13:29:56] <DoctorD90> ahahahah for learnign pourpose yes...to use the pc faster no xD
1309 [13:30:24] <DoctorD90> i would like to just move my actual harddrive from actul old pc to new one
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1312 [13:30:39] <DoctorD90> but then I should do all fixes....so I will wait occifial stretch
1313 [13:30:44] <DoctorD90> then I will try to move pc
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1316 [13:31:06] <DoctorD90> untill that time, seeing how "complicate" is the scenario, Im going to learn :D
1317 [13:31:23] <DoctorD90> decision taken after seeing all these stuff
1318 [13:31:40] <DoctorD90> for which I totally and definetly thx you! I learn a lot today!
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1333 [13:42:47] <hpfmn> hi
1334 [13:42:57] <hpfmn> I want to install debian via pxe on an apu board
1335 [13:43:17] <hpfmn> It seems to work but after the "network detection" the screen goes blank and nothing seems to happen
1336 [13:43:38] <hpfmn> do I have to configure something that the installer works well with a serial port?
1337 [13:43:56] <hpfmn> or is there some way of having a verbose output of what is going on?
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1397 [14:21:17] <Anonymes> hi
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1408 [14:27:37] <Al3xG0> kex error : no match for method mac algo client->server: server [hmac-sha2-512-etm@openssh.com,hmac-sha2-256-etm@openssh.com,umac-128-etm@openssh.com,hmac-sha2-512,hmac-sha2-256,hmac-ripemd160], client [hmac-sha1] When I'm trying to connect to my server by x2go
1409 [14:28:44] <Blitzgewitter-> hey, i did an dist-upgrade yesterday. now X is restarting every 90 seconds, even if not logged in. kern.log has a line that coincides with the restart that says: udev-acl.ck[8226]: g_slice_set_config: assertion "sys_page_size == 0' failed
1410 [14:28:52] <Blitzgewitter-> any hints?
1411 [14:29:03] <Blitzgewitter-> i'm on debian testing btw
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1415 [14:31:54] <M4GNV5> hey, so im on debian9 but my soundcard is only supported in linux >= 4.10, is there a way i can install that? what would happen if i install it from exp (apart from the frankenstein ofc)?
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1421 [14:35:35] <BluesKaj> M4GNV5, what makes you think it's only supported by the 4.10 kernel
1422 [14:36:14] <M4GNV5> well it doesnt work, for a start :D
1423 [14:36:16] <M4GNV5> but sec
1424 [14:36:53] <M4GNV5> replaced-url
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1426 [14:37:14] <M4GNV5> they seem to have the same audio chip, and the last comment is "closing this as mainline supports us"
1427 [14:40:27] <M4GNV5> hmm i guess ill try their stuff in the readme first, maybe it werks
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1429 [14:41:51] <BluesKaj> M4GNV5, seems this is an intel audio chip, correct?
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1431 [14:42:37] <M4GNV5> jup\
1432 [14:43:32] <M4GNV5> bytcr_rt5640
1433 [14:44:02] <BluesKaj> then the driver is the probly the snd-hda-intel, sudo modprobe snd-hda-intel to load the driver
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1436 [14:46:56] <BluesKaj> then check alsamixer to disable automute and set up you audio volume ctrls, and install pavucontrol if you use pulseaudio to set your audio outputs
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1438 [14:47:51] <BluesKaj> M4GNV5,^
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1443 [14:50:44] <DoctorD90> ahahah jelly :P "error" or better, warn in installing :P using nonfree netinstal iso
1444 [14:51:23] <DoctorD90> some of your hardware needs non free firmware file to operates. can be loaded blabla....
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1447 [14:52:47] <DoctorD90> missing: ath10k/pre-cal-pci-0000:03:00.0.bin ath10k/cal-pci-0000:03.00.0.bin
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1449 [14:53:06] <DoctorD90> missing: ath10k/pre-cal-pci-0000:03:00.0.bin ath10k/cal-pci-0000:03:00.0.bin
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1451 [14:53:15] <DoctorD90> forget the : at the end
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1453 [14:53:31] <DoctorD90> i will check once installed :P now i continue with eth
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1468 [15:05:17] <DoctorD90> strange :P in installer it signs the eth as "enp4s0f1", and wifi(now magically detected) as "wlp3s0"..bha :P
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1477 [15:10:42] <BluesKaj> DoctorD90, that's the systemd naming protocol for eth0 and wifi connections
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1479 [15:11:00] <DoctorD90> 0o BluesKaj never seen :P
1480 [15:11:27] <DoctorD90> now it asks me about repo....but it doesnt show httpredir repo...
1481 [15:12:19] <BluesKaj> mirrors/repos in your country I think
1482 [15:12:52] <DoctorD90> yea, but I have alwasy choosen httpredir, so it does all by itself :P
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1525 [15:50:37] <luna> Anyone knows then today Debian 8.8 is released?
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1528 [15:55:39] <zarkos> hello how do you save up your iptable rules ?
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1530 [15:57:16] <syco_> iptables-save
1531 [15:57:26] <themill> luna: yes
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1534 [15:58:17] <AlexPortable> any ETA on debian 9 ?
1535 [15:58:31] <themill> AlexPortable: WIR
1536 [15:58:40] <AlexPortable> ?
1537 [15:59:20] <luna> themill: when?
1538 [15:59:41] <themill> luna: today
1539 [15:59:51] <luna> themill: yeah but what time?
1540 [16:00:14] <themill> it's a multi-hour process
1541 [16:00:23] <syco_> zarkos, and iptables-restore
1542 [16:00:24] <luna> alright
1543 [16:00:52] <teraflop> zarkos: or install iptables-persistent
1544 [16:01:01] <teraflop> ,v iptables-persistent
1545 [16:01:02] <judd> Package: iptables-persistent on amd64 -- wheezy: 0.5.7+deb7u1; jessie: 1.0.3+deb8u1; stretch: 1.0.4+nmu2; sid: 1.0.4+nmu2
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1549 [16:01:09] <zarkos> syco_: ok teraflop ok
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1555 [16:03:53] <AlexPortable> themill: whats wir
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1558 [16:05:25] <zarkos> do you guys know a good repository for debian 8 ?
1559 [16:05:27] <teraflop> when it's ready
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1562 [16:06:56] <zarkos> ty
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1564 [16:07:43] <teraflop> zarkos: that was for AlexPortable, what do you mean by "good repository"?
1565 [16:08:37] <zarkos> teraflop: it says debian.proxad.net but the repository doesnt have the files that the apt-get install wants
1566 [16:09:01] <teraflop> ugh, what are you doing?
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1568 [16:10:13] <teraflop> zarkos: that's a debian mirror, what are you trying to install?
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1570 [16:10:14] <zarkos> nano etc/apt/sources.list
1571 [16:10:42] <zarkos> aptitude install iptables-persistent
1572 [16:11:15] <teraflop> zarkos: and the error is?
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1577 [16:11:53] <zarkos> couldnt resolve debian.proxad.net
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1581 [16:12:20] <teraflop> zarkos: did you change etc/apt/sources.list file?
1582 [16:12:33] <zarkos> teraflop: nope no change in that file
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1585 [16:14:10] <teraflop> and your dns' resolves properly?
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1587 [16:15:53] <teraflop> aka can you e.g ping debian.proxad.net ?
1588 [16:17:01] <zarkos> unknow host
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1594 [16:23:19] <teraflop> zarkos: well that's why it fails there
1595 [16:23:39] <zarkos> teraflop: yes you got a point
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1613 [16:36:34] <yolan> Hello
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1615 [16:36:41] <yolan> can someone ping me on IRC for a test ?
1616 [16:37:11] <RawketLawncha> say there is a system with 1TB HDD, and that entire disk is for home directories, so everyone is free to use that 1TB of space, so you think its possible to somehow encrypt everyone's home directory without actually allocating some particular space for everyone ? I mean I know I can just make 1GB file use md-crypt and mount it for every user but
1617 [16:37:18] <RawketLawncha> that would limit everyone to 1GB, so you think its possible to somehow keep that 1TB of free space for everyone and still encrypt everyone's files in home directory ?
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1620 [16:37:47] <RawketLawncha> rgr_: are you from germany ?
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1623 [16:39:15] <yolan> RawketLawncha, can you ping me like I just did with you now, please?
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1625 [16:39:23] <RawketLawncha> no
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1628 [16:40:45] <RawketLawncha> I can but it will cost you $1
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1630 [16:42:26] <yolan> mmh... It is just to test if my hexchat bip when pinged. ^^
1631 [16:43:04] <teraflop> xD
1632 [16:43:04] <RawketLawncha> $1
1633 [16:43:29] <yolan> I am a student please have mercy
1634 [16:43:38] <RawketLawncha> $0.99
1635 [16:43:49] <teraflop> !echo ping yolan
1636 [16:43:49] <dpkg> ping yolan
1637 [16:44:00] <yolan> yes !
1638 [16:44:09] <yolan> Thanks :')
1639 [16:44:10] <teraflop> you can do it by yourself
1640 [16:44:23] <yolan> !echo hello yolan
1641 [16:44:23] <dpkg> hello yolan
1642 [16:44:29] <yolan> Oh nice
1643 [16:44:29] <teraflop> ಠ_ಠ
1644 [16:44:32] <RawketLawncha> is everyone sees that "dpkg tolls a 5-meter-bell" message ?
1645 [16:44:42] <yolan> i didn't know the commend of the bot here :-)
1646 [16:45:07] <yolan> A little chillwave for you all, as a thank you: replaced-url
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1650 [16:46:58] <RawketLawncha> speaking of chillwave replaced-url
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1658 [16:48:55] <G__81> Any approx timeline on when Stretch would be released ?
1659 [16:49:06] <teraflop> G__81: 897
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1661 [16:49:16] <teraflop> well ~897
1662 [16:49:28] <G__81> what does that mean ?
1663 [16:49:31] <missmbob> G__81: when green goes 0 replaced-url
1664 [16:49:33] <teraflop> nothing
1665 [16:49:50] <missmbob> any date given is meaningless. that's his point
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1670 [16:50:54] <G__81> ok thanks. If i install Debian 9 Stretch RC ISO would it be safe to install it ?
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1672 [16:51:14] <missmbob> it has no security support. so not really
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1676 [16:52:40] <G__81> ok so if i install 8.7 would the upgrade be easy once Stretch gets released?
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1679 [16:53:34] <missmbob> yes. given you read the release notes. there may be gotchas that are known about
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1681 [16:54:11] <G__81> ok missmbob thanks
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1702 [17:06:16] <dontknow> aliens
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1707 [17:09:05] <theflash> msg dpkg stretch
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1714 [17:11:46] * zykotick9 spent most of yesterday trying to get 3d working properly in stretch (2 systems: one intel & one nvidia) - eventually just reinstalled jessie. he's now afraid of stretch, and the next couple of years...
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1719 [17:14:09] <RawketLawncha> zykotick9: are you one of those people who still believe that linux is for gaming ?
1720 [17:14:30] <zykotick9> RawketLawncha: hehe, yup - that's my problem all right.
1721 [17:15:00] <DoctorD90> jelly, yuppi! it works :D but it still gives error while loading...but now it loads and boot gnome
1722 [17:15:09] <DoctorD90> im going to post image
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1725 [17:16:40] <zarkos> doesnt work man :-( dns are specified
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1727 [17:17:03] <zarkos> nano /etc/network/interfaces
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1729 [17:17:47] <zarkos> replaced-url
1730 [17:17:57] <zarkos> the dns doesnt work
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1749 [17:24:41] <DoctorD90> jelly, replaced-url
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1815 [17:53:47] <NeoXiD> No idea if it's of any interest, but as it took me a lot of time to get it all right: replaced-url
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1870 [18:22:24] <tx> KDE Plasma has a an update on stretch!
1871 [18:22:28] <tx> Christmas has come too early.
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1888 [18:31:48] <Dreaman> kde sucks
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1894 [18:35:11] <sh00p> xfce is where it's at
1895 [18:35:14] <sh00p> all og now that
1896 [18:35:17] <sh00p> know*
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1912 [18:46:23] <j4ckcom> i m poor so i must use rbp, this is good idea?
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1941 [19:04:12] <chachasmooth> 8.8 coming today?
1942 [19:05:47] <chachasmooth> oh, it's already been released
1943 [19:05:53] <Azrael_-> babilen: seems like my problem was solved by switching everywhere to the fr-mirror.
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1948 [19:12:24] <theflash> chachasmooth: Do you have the link for the 8.8 release ?
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1954 [19:14:02] <TomTomTosch> theflash: replaced-url
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1956 [19:15:03] <theflash> Thank you, Tom
1957 [19:15:18] <TomTomTosch> the installer images always come a little delayed.
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2012 [19:48:00] <mxh-> Hey. Wondering if anyonyone got Debian to install on an NVMe drive only using the official installer. I.e. no manually installing grub to a partition. Both UEFI and Legacy Boot is fine by me I'm just a bit sick of not being able to run Debian for over a year now.
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2053 [20:18:38] <firef1y> Anybody have experience with disk encryption on debian?
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2057 [20:19:08] <zykotick9> firef1y: i'd suggest a more specific question...
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2059 [20:19:26] <firef1y> zykotick9: such as?
2060 [20:19:33] <Azrael_-> firef1y: generally: yes
2061 [20:19:35] <jelly> !ask
2062 [20:19:36] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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2065 [20:19:57] <firef1y> I don't have a bug or anything with it.
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2067 [20:20:32] <firef1y> I was just wondering if it worked well, or if I should watch out for certain things, or what people thought about it.
2068 [20:20:53] <Azrael_-> if you know how it works and if you handle it properly it works like a charm
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2070 [20:21:29] <jelly> luks pretty much works with default settings, and makes things slightly more complicated as much as any other layer in block device / filesystem setup.
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2081 [20:23:24] <NeoXiD> firef1y: I just set up a LUKS-encrypted system and linked a Gist with a guide a few hours before. The only issue I currently occur is replaced-url
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2085 [20:23:58] <NeoXiD> This only seems to happen with encrypted disks and mdadm combined though, but not 100% sure - it's a bit inconsistent, but does not cause any dataloss for me
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2089 [20:26:10] <NeoXiD> But as others said, I used LUKS before (just not for FDE) and never had any issues.
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2091 [20:27:26] <firef1y> hmm...
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2095 [20:27:39] <firef1y> I'll see what happens.
2096 [20:27:54] <imattxc> so, do the default video drivers with debian just have worse graphics performance on the integrated cards? I was getting 120fps in csgo on windows, here I get 30
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2098 [20:28:21] <zykotick9> imattxc: stretch?
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2101 [20:29:25] <imattxc> yeah, with hd 620. doesnt seem like there are alternative drivers or anything like that
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2104 [20:30:12] <zykotick9> imattxc: well <ONLY my experience> but 3D seems TOTALLY messed up in stretch... on both my nvidia & intel hardware. jessie works fine... best of luck.
2105 [20:31:04] <imattxc> thanks, zykotick9. goot to know im not the odd one out!
2106 [20:31:27] <zykotick9> imattxc: you might want to try the #debian-next channel on OFTC?
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2116 [20:35:43] <random_numbers> To upgrade to stretch one needs a kernel >= version 3.16.43 , does that mean I should add stretch to my sources and install it from there?
2117 [20:36:31] <random_numbers> I'm told 8.8 jessie is a thing from the list, but either it hasn't propagated to my mirrors yet or for some reason my install's broken.
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2119 [20:38:40] <zykotick9> random_numbers: are you familiar with the directions in "/msg dpkg jessie->stretch"? good luck.
2120 [20:38:54] <random_numbers> zykotick9: I am not, but thanks for the referal.
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2134 [20:43:10] <random_numbers> Ah, are backports packages liable to blow up everything?
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2139 [20:44:55] <n4dir> the needed kernel will be installed after you changed the sources list (and ran update, upgrade, dist-upgrade, duh).
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2199 [21:12:17] <Henry151_> hello
2200 [21:12:29] <Henry151_> I am trying to figure out the right way to upgrade an individual package
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2205 [21:15:16] <Henry151_> basically, I am trying to get the same version of a game, openttd, onto two machines, one running debian. I have version 1.4.2 on one machine and 1.6 on the other. The current stable version is 1.7 on the openttd official website
2206 [21:15:37] <n4dir> a game not to be found in the repos?
2207 [21:15:44] <Henry151_> it is in the repos
2208 [21:16:00] <Henry151_> but the repo did an outdated version
2209 [21:16:02] <n4dir> and from the stable version to the backports version, or what?
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2211 [21:16:38] <n4dir> if you want to add a package from testing to stable, the short anwser is: don't.
2212 [21:16:42] <Henry151_> I'm pretty clumsy with debian, but basically, I want to upgrade it to the latest version from here replaced-url
2213 [21:16:52] <Henry151_> so that I can play online with people running 1.7
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2217 [21:17:22] <n4dir> i guess the default anwser then is: backport it yourself. There is a channel-bot entry how to do it, but i forgot what it is. let me try it via msg , give me a bit
2218 [21:17:36] <debian8> Debian 8.8 released, I used apt update and apt upgrade but I am still on 8.7
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2220 [21:18:13] <n4dir> Henry151_:
2221 [21:18:20] <n4dir> ! simple sid backport
2222 [21:18:20] <dpkg> First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
2223 [21:18:27] <n4dir> i think that might help
2224 [21:18:51] <Henry151_> thank you for the guidance
2225 [21:19:07] <TomTomTosch> Henry151_: you are asking how to install from upstream? you pick the right package for your debian release and install it with dpkg -i <pkg>
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2227 [21:19:26] <n4dir> Henry151_: looks like they got deb packages for debian? I am not sure. (I would simply use it, but ... short: not sure)
2228 [21:19:30] <Henry151_> I was hoping there might be a way to add an entry to my sources.list that basically tells it to get that one package directly from openttd's official website
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2230 [21:20:13] <Henry151_> TomTomTosch: So I can download the .deb file from replaced-url
2231 [21:20:18] <TomTomTosch> yes
2232 [21:20:22] <Henry151_> sweet
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2234 [21:20:27] <Henry151_> I think that is the answer I was looking for
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2237 [21:21:23] <Henry151_> I am actually running SkoleLinux on the one machine and Kali on the other but want to use these two machines to play the game without doing a complete re-install of operating systems
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2240 [21:22:08] <Henry151_> it took me forever to get the two machines running at all and I still haven't had time to play with Kali's tools and play with SkoleLinux so I don't want to go changing things around yet
2241 [21:22:24] <Henry151_> but figuring they are both debian I figured it should be possible, thanks for the help
2242 [21:22:53] <debian8> Debian 8.8 released, I used apt update and apt upgrade but I am still on 8.7
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2246 [21:25:29] <Henry151_> ok so now when I run dpkg -i file.deb i am getting an error saying it is already present and installed, is there an "update" option?
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2249 [21:26:11] <SuperSeriousCat> You already got the deb's version
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2251 [21:26:26] <SuperSeriousCat> -i install and upgrade if needed
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2254 [21:26:58] <Henry151_> replaced-url
2255 [21:27:50] <Henry151_> openttd conflicts with openttd-data
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2258 [21:28:29] <SuperSeriousCat> Strange. I upgrade all the time with plex.deb's. Often able to play music uninterrupted
2259 [21:28:42] <SuperSeriousCat> -i
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2261 [21:29:27] <TomTomTosch> because the upstream package doesn't have it split into two. remove your old openttd
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2265 [21:29:57] <Henry151_> TomTomTosch: Will I lose my saved games etc?
2266 [21:30:01] <random_numbers> n4dir: So the other packages won't make all sorts of strange problems within the time-gap between the kernel upgrade and the end of the dstro-upgrade?
2267 [21:30:21] <TomTomTosch> Henry151_: possibly. find out where they are stored and make a copy.
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2274 [21:34:04] <TomTomTosch> debian8: you will have to wait a bit till it rolls out.
2275 [21:34:21] <TomTomTosch> base-files is still on 8.7
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2281 [21:35:12] <Henry151_> dependency problems prevent configuration of openttd:
2282 [21:35:12] <debian8> TomTomTosch thank you :)
2283 [21:35:12] <Henry151_> openttd depends on libicu52 (>= 52~m1-1~); however:
2284 [21:35:12] <Henry151_> Package libicu52 is not installed.
2285 [21:35:12] <Henry151_> openttd depends on libpng12-0 (>= 1.2.13-4); however:
2286 [21:35:12] <Henry151_> Package libpng12-0 is not installed.
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2289 [21:35:30] <Henry151_> sorry didn't mean to paste
2290 [21:35:46] <debian8> TomTomTosch where can I find the base-files?
2291 [21:35:54] <TomTomTosch> ,v base-files
2292 [21:35:55] <judd> Package: base-files on amd64 -- wheezy: 7.1wheezy11; jessie: 8+deb8u7; jessie-proposed-updates: 8+deb8u8; sid: 9.9; stretch: 9.9
2293 [21:36:31] <debian8> Thank you very much :)
2294 [21:36:33] <TomTomTosch> Henry151_: the upstream package works perfectly on jessie. which release are you on?
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2298 [21:39:58] <Henry151_> I am running Kali Linux Rolling 4.8.0-kali2-amd64 on one machine and Debian 8.7 SkoleLinux 3.16.0-4-686-pae on the other
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2301 [21:40:24] <Henry151_> both have outdated versions of openttd, and I want to upgrade both to current
2302 [21:41:01] <Henry151_> the libicu52 and libpng12-0 errors were from the kali rolling machine
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2304 [21:41:31] <TomTomTosch> we don't support kali in here. #kali-linux is the right place.
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2306 [21:42:12] <Henry151_> TomTomTosch: Thanks for the help just the same, I just got it running on the SkoleLinux machine
2307 [21:42:16] <Henry151_> :D thank you
2308 [21:42:28] <TomTomTosch> no problem ^^
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2314 [21:46:07] <Betlehem> xD
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2343 [22:07:02] <netw1z> hey guys, i was able to upgrade python from 2.7.3 to 2.7.9 from source, but now no packages, and pip doesn't seem to work
2344 [22:07:34] <student> Hi, I'm quite new in Debian : I just would like to know how to set new permanent aliases. I've checked my ~/.bash_profile and create a ~/.bash_aliases which contains some aliases like : alias downloads = "cd ~/Downloads/" (in way to check if it's work or not). Thanks for reading =) !
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2347 [22:07:49] <netw1z> i get this error: replaced-url
2348 [22:08:32] <student> * and it doesn't work
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2350 [22:09:43] <TomTomTosch> student: ~/.bash_aliases is a good place. you have to start a new shell afterwards or source ~/.bashrc again.
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2352 [22:10:27] <student> Oh thanks I've forget to put source on it =D
2353 [22:10:27] <TomTomTosch> student: and remove the spaces around =
2354 [22:10:38] <student> ok
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2356 [22:11:16] <TomTomTosch> put source on it? no, i mean source it so it takes effect. just start a new shell afterwards.
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2358 [22:11:29] <luna> The new Debian 8.8 will be out in 20 minutes i read
2359 [22:11:50] <student> ok, I'll try
2360 [22:11:53] * dvs starts his watch
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2364 [22:12:47] <student> thanks =)
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2366 [22:12:56] <student> * it works
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2371 [22:17:58] <luna> replaced-url
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2395 [22:37:46] <TomG2> congrats, luna
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2398 [22:39:11] <firef1y> so...
2399 [22:39:22] <firef1y> what I'm hearing is wait half an hour before installing?
2400 [22:40:11] <firef1y> 8.8 is coming soon?
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2402 [22:41:17] <missmbob> why wait? just apt-get update && apt-get upgrade
2403 [22:41:41] <TomG2> someone just posted the news release, firefly
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2417 [22:46:43] <teraflop> ^
2418 [22:47:04] <netw1z> how can i set my enviornmental varibles so that my python packages show up
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2422 [22:47:29] <TomG2> i use .bash_profile, netw1z
2423 [22:47:33] <netw1z> I cant seem to access PIP globally unless i actually go to :/usr/local/lib/python2.7/dist-packages$
2424 [22:48:47] <teraflop> netw1z: sudo pip install things is a recipe for the disaster
2425 [22:50:04] <netw1z> gotcha - what varible do i need to set so that i can run pip globally? or python has accesss to the packages in /usr/local/lib/python2.7/dist-packages again?
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2432 [22:53:05] <teraflop> netw1z: add it to your path
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2434 [22:53:59] <netw1z> .bashrc ?
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2450 [23:02:05] <firef1y> missmbob: yeah... I could do that...
2451 [23:02:16] <firef1y> Granted, I'm halfway through an 8.7 install
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2454 [23:02:25] <firef1y> so I'll probably do that anyway.
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2459 [23:09:04] <mandeep> netw1z: don't run pip globally. use --user or a virtualenv
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2472 [23:13:03] <netw1z> gotcha @mandeep
2473 [23:13:05] <netw1z> will do
2474 [23:14:03] <BAlan> Does anyone remember the name of that command line utility in the VERY early releases that would go out searching for a filename online ?
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2480 [23:21:24] <BAlan> Having a hell of a time trying to install utilities on Squeeze. 3/4 of the repos calls are failing and UPDATE is not functioning properly, I imagine there have been some URL changes.
2481 [23:22:15] <dvs> BAlan, don't use ftp?
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2489 [23:29:07] <jmcnaught> !squeeze sources.list
2490 [23:29:08] <dpkg> A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" has two lines: "deb replaced-url
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2492 [23:29:25] <jmcnaught> BAlan: ^^ though it should go without saying that nobody should be using squeeze anymore
2493 [23:29:45] <BAlan> dvs: I don't unless I can't find a website here the archive is located. And that's why I was looking for that obsolete unix file search tool...
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