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• 39[00:27:51] <Epx998> Does debian support XFS as the / partition out of a fresh install?
• 40[00:28:31] <missmbob> yes
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• 42[00:28:43] <Epx998> when did it get introduced?
• 43[00:29:03] <missmbob> i made the first installer for it in 2005...i think.
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• 45[00:29:32] <Epx998> so I can set it in the d-i partman stuff for an unattended?
• 46[00:30:01] <missmbob> yes
• 47[00:30:06] <Epx998> partman-xfs i see
• 48[00:30:12] <Epx998> oooh gonna test this
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• 60[00:34:43] <Alexbleks> WWhere
• 61[00:35:00] <Alexbleks> Where can I get support for the latest and great Red Star OS 3?
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• 63[00:35:33] <missmbob> Epx998: jesus. google corrected me. i released in 2002. damn.
• 64[00:35:49] <Epx998> dang misinformation ;P
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• 67[00:37:29] <sonOfRa> Alexbleks: wait for next *C3 congress, find it on some ftp there :D
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• 74[00:42:18] <Epx998> anyone got a good d-i partman-xfs recipe handy?
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• 190[01:41:52] <Juzzy> is it normal to have 4x 6tb partitions in raid5 only come out to 12tb usable even with reserver set to 0%
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• 192[01:42:56] <JUSY> replaced-url
• 193[01:43:09] <Juzzy> 4k bs. seems like it should be closer to 16tb
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• 195[01:43:31] <missmbob> 12tb is parity+spare. aka raid 5e
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• 197[01:44:22] <Juzzy> i'm talking after ext4
• 198[01:44:42] <Juzzy> ya weird I am missing alot of space that isn't adding up
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• 200[01:46:39] <Juzzy> each partition has "11674871808" 512b sectors which is 5.977, however fdisk is reporting that to 5.4
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• 202[01:47:21] <blackflow> Juzzy: GB vs GiB?
• 203[01:47:27] <missmbob> yeah
• 204[01:47:39] <Juzzy> ya so maybe so
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• 206[01:48:08] <Juzzy> but once it's all mounted up, 17.9TB "raw" formats down to 12TB?
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• 208[01:48:31] <Juzzy> /dev/md126 12T 4.9T 7.0T 41% /mnt/raid5
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• 210[01:48:51] <Juzzy> md126 : active raid5 sdd3[2] sda3[3] sdb3[1] sdc3[0] 12884901696 blocks level 5, 64k chunk, algorithm 2 [4/4] [UUUU]
• 211[01:49:09] <moony> Breathed myself out in a diffrent channel, but fuck HP firmware+hardware: `THERE DAMN DODGY FIRMWARE+HARDWARE MADE MY LAPTOP'S LINUX INSTALLATION THINK IT WAS AT 20% BATTERY, WHEN IT WAS NEARLY DEAD. RESULT? CORRUPT SUPERBLOCK` selfquote in rage mode
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• 216[01:54:32] <Juzzy> is it a problem with ext4 formating larger fs that it exponentially loses space?
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• 222[01:58:49] <jakefb> Hi I need help with postfix
• 223[01:59:23] <missmbob> jakefb: there is #postfix
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• 228[02:01:55] <jakefb> missmbob yep just asked in there
• 229[02:03:14] <Juzzy> ahhh mdadm -D reports: Array Size : 12884901696 (12288.00 GiB 13194.14 GB)
• 230[02:03:28] <Juzzy> now I must figure out what the hell happened ;(
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• 240[02:08:02] <Juzzy> so 12288.00 / 3 is 4096
• 241[02:08:17] <Juzzy> is there a 4TB limit in raid5? :(
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• 244[02:10:55] <Juzzy> ya so mdadm --examine /dev/sdb3 show 4096 TiB
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• 247[02:11:12] <Juzzy> mdadm --grow /dev/md126 --size=max doesnt make it any larger
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• 431[04:42:43] <esaym153> installed the stretch RC, and all my nic interfaces are not like "eth0, eth1", etc. They are like : "ens3f0, ens3f1, eno1, eno2,"... what the heck?
• 432[04:42:50] <esaym153> are now like*
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• 434[04:43:28] <esaym153> err.. not*
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• 453[05:03:19] <VentGrey> Hello World
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• 459[05:08:21] <dvs> syntax error
• 460[05:08:40] <VentGrey> Is it possible to re-package a .deb file? There is a package someone managed to port from Sid to Stable using the OBS but OBS does not support Debian Testing (Stretch)
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• 468[05:18:56] <VentGrey> :'v ño?
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• 471[05:22:38] <tharkun> I want to look under aptitude for a program that can edit audio what is the syntax of the command I need to add to the search line for it to work?
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• 473[05:24:19] <VentGrey> "aptitude search <packagename>"
• 474[05:24:33] <VentGrey> Tho i recommend using apt (Not apt-get)
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• 478[05:25:15] <tharkun> VentGrey: I don't know of any packagename that handles audio editing I was looking for some search inside the description type of one liner
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• 480[05:26:18] <VentGrey> xD oh, im sorry you can replace packagename with the words "Audio edit" or similar
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• 482[05:27:28] <VentGrey> it does throw some results like: rdour/testing 1:5.5.0~dfsg-1+b1 the digital audio workstation
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• 489[05:30:55] <LiuYan> tharkun: audio editor, like Audacity ?
• 490[05:32:11] <LiuYan> apt-cache search 'audio editor'
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• 494[05:33:25] <VentGrey> o,o
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• 504[05:40:37] <tharkun> LiuYan: Yes, I saw several and installed them lets see what they can deliver. :D Thanks
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• 507[05:41:46] <LiuYan> tharkun: I often use Audacity, that's what I know. :)
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• 512[05:43:40] <newbie123> I am using dist-upgrade but packages are still kept back replaced-url
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• 574[06:28:11] <LocalHoster> Hello. Can someone help me please. I am trying to start a program for GPU computing, but it says "error while loading shared libraries: libcuda.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory"
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• 577[06:29:13] <LocalHoster> I then tried to install NVIDIA driver
• 578[06:29:21] <LocalHoster> and got this error
• 579[06:29:22] <LocalHoster> Unable to find the development tool `cc` in your path; please make
• 580[06:29:22] <LocalHoster> sure that you have the package 'gcc' installed. If gcc is installed
• 581[06:29:22] <LocalHoster> on your system, then please check that `cc` is in your PATH.
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• 584[06:29:35] <LocalHoster> sorry
• 585[06:29:39] <mutante> LocalHoster: what i would try next is search for "libcuda" in packages
• 586[06:30:06] <mutante> LocalHoster: i would use "apt-cache search libcuda" to see if any packages refer to it, then read their descriptions and maybe install them
• 587[06:30:16] <mutante> and then try again what you did before
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• 589[06:30:29] <LocalHoster> apt-cache search libcuda
• 590[06:30:33] <LocalHoster> is empty
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• 593[06:31:17] <mutante> oh really, for me locally it's not. replaced-url
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• 595[06:32:00] <LocalHoster> what should I do then?
• 596[06:32:30] <mutante> check which version of Debian you are on by looking at your APT sources.list
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• 598[06:32:42] <mutante> and use packages.debian.org to search for libcuda packages
• 599[06:32:47] <mutante> and see what you can install
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• 601[06:33:27] <mutante> maybe you have to edit your sources.list and enable nonfree repo, i didnt check
• 602[06:34:36] <mutante> LocalHoster: yea, that's it. it's non-free. replaced-url
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• 604[06:35:09] <mutante> LocalHoster: so you have to enable the non-free repository if you want to accept that and install it anyways.. or live without this if you dont want to accept non-free software
• 605[06:36:35] <mutante> you do that by adding the string "non-free" to your existing APT config , then running apt-get update, then search for the packages again as you tried before
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• 608[06:40:10] <LocalHoster> ok, working
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• 610[06:41:18] <LocalHoster> now got this in the search - replaced-url
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• 612[06:42:34] <LocalHoster> Media change: please insert the disc labeled
• 613[06:42:50] <LocalHoster> Why does it want cd from me??
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• 615[06:44:12] <LocalHoster> solved :)
• 616[06:44:33] <mutante> LocalHoster: :)
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• 643[07:00:23] <s33__> hi, im trying to make network manager work but fails to work when i install it (im on a xen), how would you troubleshoot the network on a vps when the network stops functioning, all i can do is reinstall and reboot, any help? if anyone has knowledge of how to make network manager similiar to the existing network i have, if anyone knows i would be grateful to know
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• 646[07:01:30] <s33__> I'd need to know the things that network manager changes before i activate it and make network manager function as the other network client that it uses default
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• 759[08:23:13] <Dr_Z2A> hey, I'm on debian 8 trying to run postgres-9.4. Totally fresh install. I run sudo service postgresql start and when I check the status it always says active(exited). Has anyone encountered this before?
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• 761[08:24:13] <cxeq> can anyone help me resolve a bug similar to this replaced-url
• 762[08:24:38] <cxeq> maybe I am just bad at reading comprehension, but it didnt seem like they found a fix in that topic
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• 769[08:27:16] <Dr_Z2A> are you just trying to suppress the messages?
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• 772[08:27:46] <cxeq> I think its causing some instability / network problems
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• 777[08:28:40] <cxeq> and not even just network problems but resources usage too, literally 95-99% of the syslog is dhclient
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• 780[08:29:34] <Dr_Z2A> so you are you using wlan0 and eth0 is the one that you are getting the messages for I take it?
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• 782[08:29:54] <cxeq> yes that's correct
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• 785[08:30:15] <Dr_Z2A> have you tried to just setting your iface eth0 inet dhcp line in your /etc/network/interfaces to iface eth0 inet static?
• 786[08:30:20] <Dr_Z2A> I mean that might not be exactly what you want
• 787[08:30:37] <Dr_Z2A> but it would be a fair sanity check just to make sure it stops the messages
• 788[08:30:54] <cxeq> sure, will that effect my other static allocation (on wlan?)
• 789[08:31:07] <Dr_Z2A> nah
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• 792[08:31:41] <cxeq> and then reboot I assume?
• 793[08:32:10] <Dr_Z2A> umm, you shouldn't need to, there's a way to reload the config file
• 794[08:32:16] <Dr_Z2A> can't remember what it is though, reboot would do it
• 795[08:32:21] <cxeq> ok, too late :P
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• 799[08:32:49] <Dr_Z2A> lol
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• 802[08:34:10] <Dr_Z2A> actually, did you check that your eth0 interface was down to begin with? I mean if it isn't plugged in it should be, but you might have to explicitly ifconfig eth0 down
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• 804[08:34:47] <cxeq> it still seems to be giving the same errors
• 805[08:34:56] <cxeq> heres a paste of the errors and the ifconfig
• 806[08:34:57] <cxeq> replaced-url
• 807[08:35:08] <cxeq> I'll run ifconfig eth0 down now
• 808[08:35:21] <cxeq> since it does ay UP
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• 810[08:35:41] <cxeq> is that a permanent command?
• 811[08:35:50] <Dr_Z2A> what do you mean by permanent?
• 812[08:35:59] <cxeq> persistent past reboot
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• 814[08:36:13] <Bilbaoo> Hi, I'd like to use free software. Which distro do you recommend Parabola or Debian Sid?
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• 817[08:36:27] <Dr_Z2A> nah, but you could put it in an init script
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• 822[08:36:57] <cxeq> oh how strange, it turns itself back on almost instantly
• 823[08:36:57] <Dr_Z2A> lol, sid, glhf =D
• 824[08:37:02] <cxeq> back UP*
• 825[08:37:12] <Dr_Z2A> huh
• 826[08:37:18] <Dr_Z2A> that is strange
• 827[08:37:28] <Dr_Z2A> what if you just comment out the eth0 line /etc/network/interfaces
• 828[08:37:37] <Dr_Z2A> that one would be permanent
• 829[08:37:52] <awal1> Bilbaoo, think: beef vs mosquito?
• 830[08:38:09] <cxeq> and iface lo inet loopback as well?
• 831[08:38:30] <cxeq> I mean should I comment that line out too
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• 833[08:38:36] <Dr_Z2A> no
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• 835[08:38:54] <Bilbaoo> awal1: Pardon?
• 836[08:39:22] <awal1> Bilbaoo, debian is 100% free software; it's non-free stuff is a different story
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• 838[08:40:23] <Bilbaoo> Parabola also 100% free software
• 839[08:40:27] <Dr_Z2A> Bilbaoo, what are you trying to do? what is your purpose for wanting to use free software?
• 840[08:40:55] <cxeq> ah, it seems to resume the same behaviour with the line commented out unfortunately
• 841[08:41:01] <jelly> every time someone asks this question, I wonder what answer they honestly expect from a channel called #debian
• 842[08:41:01] <Bilbaoo> Dr_Z2A: You know my 'freedom' stuff
• 843[08:41:34] <awal1> Bilbaoo, many people need non-free stuff bcoz of hardware, work ... concerns, hince the non-free "unofficial" debian side
• 844[08:41:36] <cxeq> I should say I also am running this script (keepalive.sh) to maintain a dodgy wifi connection, but these problems significantly predate that script replaced-url
• 845[08:41:38] <jelly> "no, use something else, we honestly think Debian is not good enough, I wonder why we're even here?!"
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• 849[08:42:21] <Bilbaoo> I expect the following answer if Someone knows other distros as well. If you want to use Parabola it means you won't use AUR, which means Debian has more packages or something like that.
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• 853[08:44:21] <Dr_Z2A> cxeq that's weird, commenting that line out should have stopped the messages afaik
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• 858[08:46:17] <cxeq> im getting less messages in dmesg though
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• 865[08:51:35] <cxeq> Dr_Z2A let me correct myself, I think I am seing a marked improvement here
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• 868[08:52:10] <cxeq> I am still getting a bunch of stuff like this, but much less errors and stuff
• 869[08:52:11] <cxeq> dhclient: DHCPDISCOVER on eth0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 12
• 870[08:52:59] <awal1> Bilbaoo, just find out what are your needs then use whatever suites them, being in tune with your principles regarding "software freedom"
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• 884[09:00:22] <g4b0> hi all
• 885[09:01:22] <g4b0> I'm wondering if upgrading from Jessie to Stretch I can have some issue on my Vagrant boxes
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• 888[09:01:58] <FreddyP> g4b0: have you considered running Stretch in a VM to see if there are issues
• 889[09:02:20] <g4b0> FreddyP: not yet
• 890[09:02:55] <g4b0> I'm sure that if I install everything from scratch it will work
• 891[09:03:11] <g4b0> But dist upgrade are always a pain
• 892[09:03:27] <g4b0> not like 10 years ago...
• 893[09:03:35] <g4b0> but still a pain
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• 895[09:05:26] <FreddyP> dist upgrades dont come around that often
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• 998[09:57:18] <radon> i tried the #kali-linux channel as i was suggested by someone over here
• 999[09:57:25] <radon> but to no avail
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• 1001[09:57:36] <radon> anyone active
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• 1004[09:57:52] <radon> ?
• 1005[09:57:58] <radon> ...................
• 1006[09:57:59] <radon> ..
• 1007[09:58:00] <radon> ..
• 1008[09:58:00] <radon> ..
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• 1013[09:59:02] <coke> inb4 pastebin of dot spam
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• 1108[10:47:25] <asdf-> apt upgrade prompted me to upgrade: login, passwd & uidmap... where can I find documentation on why these need to be updated?
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• 1114[10:48:50] <celyr> apt-get changelog package
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• 1118[10:49:13] <asdf-> celyr, thank you
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• 1120[10:49:43] <celyr> asdf-, may I ask you what release are you using ?
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• 1122[10:50:10] <celyr> because I have many debians and had no a passwd login and uidmap update by like forever
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• 1124[10:51:08] <asdf-> celyr, not true true debian --
• 1125[10:51:08] <asdf-> <Flannel> asdf-:
• 1126[10:51:11] <mebus> is there a command, that does this: "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade
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• 1128[10:51:13] <mebus> " =
• 1129[10:51:14] <mebus> ?
• 1130[10:51:15] <asdf-> oops Ubuntu 16.04.02
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• 1132[10:51:29] <celyr> mebus, yes
• 1133[10:51:35] <celyr> apt-get update && apt-get upgrade
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• 1135[10:51:40] <mebus> celyr: :D
• 1136[10:52:00] <mebus> celyr: Fedora has "dnf update" which does both.
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• 1138[10:52:22] <celyr> if you are looking for something without && I don't think there is
• 1139[10:52:23] <mcon> I am unable to to make audio work on my just-reinstalled debian-testing. It was working before upgrade. I tried googling, but I'm unsure what is relevant (a lot of very old advice still floats around). I have my speakers (Samsung 4k tv) connected via DVI to a "NVIDIA Corporation GK104 HDMI Audio Controller (rev a1)" that's detected as intel (Kernel driver in use: snd_hda_intel); is this normal?
• 1140[10:52:26] <mebus> there is nothing like this in debian, which does it one command?
• 1141[10:52:29] <babilen> mebus: Define an alias if you want something shorter
• 1142[10:52:42] <coke> asdf-: for debian you look for the package replaced-url
• 1143[10:52:54] <asdf-> coke, thank you!
• 1144[10:52:55] <mebus> babilen: yeah, but I think it should exists in debian by default.
• 1145[10:53:00] <babilen> Why?
• 1146[10:53:14] <asdf-> celyr, i was concerened too but it does look like it was a legitimate update
• 1147[10:53:24] <mebus> babilen: because I don't want to create aliases on all machines und don't want to type the && thing every time I update
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• 1151[10:54:33] <babilen> mebus: It should be an easy search in your command history and can be easily addressed with tools such as SaltStack or Ansible for many machines.
• 1152[10:54:55] <mebus> babilen: yes, I know.
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• 1154[10:55:13] <babilen> You might also want to start using apt or pass "--with-new-pkgs" to upgrade if that is your default
• 1155[10:55:46] <babilen> I'd also argue that you might want to look into cron-apt or unattended-upgrades if you "just" want to perform those actions frequently
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• 1157[10:57:41] <bazhang> !ftp
• 1158[10:57:41] <dpkg> File Transfer Protocol (FTP) is a method of moving files between systems using TCP/IP. There are three sane kinds of FTP: anonymous, encrypted and unprivileged (non-Unix users). Unencrypted FTP using Unix users will get your box pwn3d as fast as running windows on your firewall machine. Ask me about <ftp must die>, <scp>, <sftp>. See also <ftpd>.
• 1159[10:58:09] <bazhang> I thought debian just dropped ftp
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• 1161[10:59:18] <celyr> Poor ftp
• 1162[10:59:21] <celyr> is going to die
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• 1166[11:00:25] <missmbob> debian did: replaced-url
• 1167[11:00:34] <doublehp> how do i change the size of /dev/shm on testing stretch ?
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• 1207[11:22:34] <amirq> hey guys
• 1208[11:22:38] <amirq> how are u doin
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• 1211[11:24:14] <amirq> guys i have got an issue with installing debian on my laptop
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• 1214[11:24:29] <amirq> the model is hp probook 4540s
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• 1220[11:27:16] <at0m> amirq: and your issue is...
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• 1222[11:29:24] <slax0r> issue installing debian on his laptop, he told you, now look at your magic chrystal ball
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• 1230[11:32:38] <Iridos> well, he wants you to do replaced-url
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• 1233[11:34:08] <Iridos> yay wheezy… always good to have up-to-date documentation on stuff
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• 1236[11:34:45] <at0m> almost as fast as our releases :D
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• 1245[11:41:38] <dka> I have an issue, I have created a iptables rules script on debian8 under : /etc/network/if-up.d/iptablesload. I expect it to be applied on startup. why is it not working ?
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• 1248[11:42:41] <amirq> guys i have an issue with installing debian and it is when i boot the netinst debian 8.7 installer(i have tested ver8 above no change) i get a weird scrambled screen. I think it should be because of the switchable graphics but even with disabling that i still see no change. what do u think about it? i have hp probook 4540s and the boot mode doesnt effect the issue.
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• 1280[12:04:29] <celyr> amirq, use text installer ?
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• 1298[12:12:45] <niab> hi
• 1299[12:12:45] <marchelly> Hi, actually the problem is that I have 2 GPT disks without EFI 1-2mb partition with "bios_grub" flag so I can't install grub on it to boot from this drives (I'm using chroot now). Is there a way to modify disks without corrupting data on them and savind raid1 to be able to install grub and boot?
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• 1304[12:15:19] <niab> can you daemonize something to run in a screen session each time it starts?
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• 1309[12:16:04] <Azrael_-> hi
• 1310[12:16:17] <Azrael_-> i've added the backports for jessie as repository. sometimes "apt-get update" offers me updates from bpo for packages although those packages aren't installed from bpo (according to "apt-cache policy <package>"). why could this be and how could i further analyze this? replaced-url
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• 1314[12:19:21] <at0m> niab: either it runs in screen, or daemonized. i'm assuming you want default windows in screen when you first run screen. append lines like "screen -t top 5 top" to ~/.screenrc and these will launch with screen when a new session is started.
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• 1320[12:21:02] <niab> i want an app to run automatically on startup and at all times in the background and preferably i want to attach to its console any time
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• 1323[12:21:27] <jstolare1> when I log into console I get last login date and result of running `uname -a` - how do I disable that?
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• 1326[12:21:53] <jstolarek> I was thinking motd service is responsible for that
• 1327[12:22:08] <jstolarek> but I disabled it and see no change
• 1328[12:22:11] <at0m> niab: oh, look: replaced-url
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• 1331[12:22:49] <niab> ah lol its nothing new, thanks at0m
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• 1344[12:27:22] <niab> hmm screenrc and crontab @reboot gonna be the winner
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• 1354[12:31:15] <celyr> @reboot is always the winner
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• 1362[12:32:16] <celyr> duck duck go :P really ? I mean they have like 20 indexed pages ?
• 1363[12:32:28] <niab> at0m likes anonimity
• 1364[12:32:59] <celyr> use tor and google ? :)
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• 1366[12:33:10] <Azrael_-> too slow?
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• 1369[12:33:18] <niab> not a good mix cos u spend ur life filling out captchas
• 1370[12:33:24] <celyr> better than no result ? :)
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• 1372[12:33:47] <niab> well yea i also dont bother with duckduckgo cos of the poor results
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• 1429[12:55:36] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
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• 1455[13:07:42] <ddybing> Hi! This may be a stupid question, but is it possible to send data to a init.d script, other than start/stop/restart etc?
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• 1458[13:09:27] <jelly> ddybing: anything is possible. What are you really trying to accomplish?
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• 1461[13:09:32] <jelly> !goal
• 1462[13:09:32] <dpkg> Describe your goal, not what you think the solution is.
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• 1464[13:10:03] <teraflop> ddybing: read the script and see whether it accepts more params or don't, but it looks to me youre experiencing an xy
• 1465[13:10:15] <bazhang> jelly, any new factoids on deck for the debian dropping ftp
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• 1467[13:11:23] <teraflop> or it doesnt^, do not blame me, my english is rubbish
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• 1475[13:15:37] <ddybing> jelly: Thanks. OK, this may seem dumb, but I have a PXE server and I use iPXE to create the interface and boot options. What I really want to do is pass data that the users enters in iPXE to the kernel, and I've been looking at initscript.
• 1476[13:16:01] <ddybing> I was just wondering if it supports other commands than start/stop/restart etc or if that depends on the script itself
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• 1480[13:18:00] <coke> bazhang: what kind of factoid do you expect?
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• 1482[13:18:16] <ddybing> Actually, I may just have found what I was looking for:)
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• 1484[13:18:52] <worldsbestattack> hey al
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• 1487[13:19:04] <BanHammor> hiya! Is it possible to build a rootfs with debootstrap that has a dud kernel or no kernel at all?
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• 1554[13:56:26] <truussaw2> hi everybody, are there any specific settings i have to configure when using debina under HYPER-V (win10)?
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• 1558[13:57:49] <ksk> truussaw2: I would assume no. otherwise hypver-v would be bad, ay? ;)
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• 1560[13:58:06] <truussaw2> yeah :)
• 1561[13:58:11] <truussaw2> debian is running fine
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• 1563[13:58:26] <truussaw2> but for example when i start a freshly installed KALI linux vm, the vm freezes :( any ideas?
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• 1565[13:58:38] <ksk> I dont know about things like "clipboard integration" and stuff that for example Virtualbox has..
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• 1567[13:58:47] <ksk> !tell truussaw2 about based on debian
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• 1569[13:59:20] <truussaw2> i know its based on debian :D
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• 1574[14:01:18] <ksk> so why do you ask? :)
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• 1576[14:02:05] <teraflop> truussaw2: vm? since there are several hypervisors _vm_ is meaningless
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• 1581[14:04:07] <teraflop> truussaw2: and make yourself sure is not pebcack since I dont see why a linux vm guest failing to boot is related to debian being the host (unless you give detailed information)
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• 1584[14:05:26] <truussaw2> ok
• 1585[14:05:55] <truussaw2> i see your answers wont help solving my issues, bye ill ask in the kali channel
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• 1588[14:06:23] <mcon> Can someone point me to the right (current) documentation to troubleshoot audio for debian-testing? I am unable to make it work.
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• 1592[14:07:16] <ee> Hey boyz. I just switched graphic card and re-installed Jessie debian, and now it seems like I can't use 2 monitors? I downgraded from GTX780 to GTX660ti and with 780 there was no problem using dual screens. Anyone can help me with this issue? I have noidea where to start.
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• 1599[14:11:31] <mdk> ee: start with nvidia-detect?
• 1600[14:11:44] <ee> What is nvidia-detect?
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• 1605[14:12:31] <mdk> ee: replaced-url
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• 1609[14:14:39] <ee> I do not wish to install any non-free firmware. Isn't there anyway without? Never needed non-free firmware before so..
• 1610[14:15:39] <mdk> ee: There's probably a way without, yep
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• 1612[14:16:06] <ee> That's the spirit. Do you know this way? :)
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• 1658[14:42:50] <T6> Greetings
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• 1923[15:33:00] <Doldge> Hey, is anyone aware of an issue with gnome-keyring/seahorse in Debian Stretch? I'm getting errors in my logs on a fresh(-ish) install; link: replaced-url
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• 1927[15:34:49] <tadapa> Hello. My question is related to the package "firefox" from unstable. I just found out that i can activate DRM content. How can it be in our main repostitory. Isn't it non-free software?
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• 1966[15:49:27] <jhutchins_wk> Doldge: The code for firefox is open source/free according to the DFSG. The ability to display non-free content doesn't affect the license of the code.
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• 1969[15:50:33] <Iridos> not as simple, the code for that is closed source from adobe… I guess it's automatically downloaded and installed in the user dir when he "enables" it, though
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• 1971[15:50:41] <tadapa> jhutchins_wk: but doesn't DRM content require a blob?
• 1972[15:50:43] <dontknow> i heard pocket addon comes with firefox is non-free. how come it is in debian?
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• 1975[15:51:01] <Iridos> and so I'd say "then just don't do that"
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• 1977[15:51:38] <Iridos> the about last relevant bug for this is #837091 I guess… well, more the links therein
• 1978[15:51:39] <judd> Bug replaced-url
• 1979[15:51:43] <babilen> dontknow: Where exactly is it "in Debian" ?
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• 1981[15:52:02] <dontknow> in debian main
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• 1983[15:52:24] <babilen> dontknow: Where *exactly* ? It's hard to check if I have to search through the entirety of main.
• 1984[15:52:59] <dontknow> i use backported firefox latest version and it has pocket addon
• 1985[15:53:14] <tadapa> I was just thinking if firefox should probably be in contrib
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• 1987[15:53:36] <dontknow> i think it is also the case that firefox esr has that addon
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• 1993[15:55:44] <tadapa> can't find it in firefox-esr but I found iTunes Application Detector and OpenH264 with are deactivated
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• 1996[15:56:03] <babilen> dontknow: Which file would that be? I see /usr/lib/firefox/browser/features/firefox@getpocket.com.xpi
• 1997[15:56:21] <cxeq> any ideas why a rpi might become full on ram and swap after 30 minutes inactive, with no ram usage over 1% showing in htop
• 1998[15:56:22] <Azrael_-> hi, i've added the backports for jessie as repository. sometimes "apt-get update" offers me updates from bpo for packages although those packages aren't installed from bpo (according to "apt-cache policy <package>"). why could this be and how could i further analyze this? replaced-url
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• 2005[15:57:02] <dontknow> babilen, i don2t know. but i see it on the gui
• 2006[15:57:15] <babilen> Azrael: Reposted as replaced-url
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• 2008[15:57:31] <babilen> dontknow: And you are sure that it is distributed with Debian and not downloaded by firefox?
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• 2010[15:58:02] <dontknow> no
• 2011[15:58:07] <Iridos> a software that loads and installs a proprietary blob but is itself fully open source doesn't need to be in contrib, as you don't need anything proprietary to build it
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• 2014[15:59:10] <Iridos> else you'd end up with insanity… wget can load proprietary stuff from the net, too… where to stop
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• 2017[16:00:03] <tadapa> yes, but it doesn't do it by default
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• 2020[16:00:36] <Iridos> you said yourself "I *can* activate [it]"
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• 2022[16:00:49] <babilen> Azrael_-: Do you have any pinning or did you set a default release? I'd also recommend to use ftp.fr.debian.org as mirror rather than ftp.debian.org
• 2023[16:01:05] <babilen> (or deb.debian.org)
• 2024[16:01:12] <Azrael_-> babilen: neither pinned, nor set anything specific
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• 2027[16:01:26] <Iridos> and I can give wget an url with proprietary binary software
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• 2030[16:01:53] <Azrael_-> babilen: i thought i was already using ftp.fr.debian.org ....
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• 2032[16:02:19] <babilen> Azrael_-: "replaced-url
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• 2034[16:02:44] <Azrael_-> oh right, forgot the backports. ok modifying
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• 2038[16:04:46] <tadapa> I just was confused about. Thanks for clarifying
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• 2042[16:06:04] <Azrael_-> babilen: any ideas regarding the problem itself?
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• 2047[16:07:01] <cxeq> I afk for 30 mins and come back to this ... replaced-url
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• 2049[16:07:24] <cxeq> and frozen pi
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• 2051[16:07:34] <cxeq> dont understand it, there's nothing taking up usage?
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• 2053[16:08:38] <ee> Hey boyz. I just switched graphic card and re-installed Jessie debian, and now it seems like I can't use 2 monitors? I downgraded from GTX780 to GTX660ti and with 780 there was no problem using dual screens. Anyone can help me with this issue? I have noidea where to start. I do not wish to install non-free firmware.
• 2054[16:09:13] <greycat> If "I do not wish to install non-free firmware" is the most important goal then you have to select hardware that will allow that goal to be possible.
• 2055[16:10:27] <babilen> Azrael_-: Not right away .. Did anything change now that you use ftp.fr ?
• 2056[16:11:07] <Azrael_-> babilen: the error only occurs about 2-3x a day each for 5-15 minutes, currently it isn't the case and i'll wait until it shows up again
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• 2058[16:11:45] <babilen> Azrael_-: So you do *not* see that problem after having switched to ftp.fr and the candidates are no longer from backports?
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• 2062[16:12:15] <Azrael_-> babilen: currently i don't see it any more. but this was already the case since several hours
• 2063[16:12:17] <greycat> He's saying he has to wait 24 hours to know if the problem is still here.
• 2064[16:12:34] <greycat> err, 12 hours. 2-3x per day.
• 2065[16:13:18] <babilen> Azrael_-: Does that happen independently from you running "apt update" or commands/programs that have a similar effect?
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• 2069[16:14:42] <Azrael_-> babilen: my management-sofware (ispconfig) runs "apt-get update" multiple times an hour and i monitor the apt-update-status using nagios, that's why i even saw this issue. otherwise i would have never seen it
• 2070[16:15:23] <babilen> What else does it do?
• 2071[16:15:45] <Azrael_-> manage the configuration for web/mail/db-servers
• 2072[16:16:08] <babilen> To investigate this further I would stop any changes to the system from happened when you run into it and take a look at the respective files in /var/lib/apt/lists/
• 2073[16:16:48] <Azrael_-> "look at the respective files"? any more hints what i should look out for?
• 2074[16:16:50] <babilen> It might very well be that ispconfig tinkers with the priorities, but that's hard to find out now that you cannot reproduce the issue at the moment
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• 2076[16:17:12] <babilen> Azrael_-: The backports Release file in particular
• 2077[16:17:14] <Azrael_-> no, ispconfig doesn't tinker with anything regarding the package-sources
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• 2079[16:17:37] <babilen> It runs "apt-get update" ... so it does tinker with it
• 2080[16:17:51] <greycat> If I'm reading this right, he runs apt-get update FIFTY TIMES A DAY and occasionally it fails. And he seems to think this is a problem.
• 2081[16:17:52] <babilen> It might or it might not be related
• 2082[16:18:34] <babilen> greycat: The suite priorities shouldn't change though
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• 2086[16:19:15] <Azrael_-> greycat: and even if it failed or if i ran it 1k times, it should still show me the same list of packages which is available for updates
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• 2089[16:19:30] <Azrael_-> -updates +upgrades
• 2090[16:19:42] <greycat> That's nonsensical. If it fails then the source that failed is no longer part of your available packages.
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• 2094[16:20:07] <Azrael_-> greycat: interesting point
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• 2096[16:20:44] <greycat> It's not designed to be run more than 1-2 times per day.
• 2097[16:20:51] <Azrael_-> but then i ran "apt-get update" manually i was still shown the same list of packages for upgrades
• 2098[16:21:00] <greycat> Because it worked.
• 2099[16:21:07] <greycat> Once it works, you are back into a sane state.
• 2100[16:21:37] <greycat> If it fails, then you wait a few minutes and try again, and you don't expect any other apt commands to work until update works.
• 2101[16:21:48] <greycat> Once you've got an update for today, you STOP RUNNING IT.
• 2102[16:21:58] <babilen> It's perfectly fine to run it more often and the suite priorities shouldn't change. jessie-backports should still have "NotAutomatic: true"
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• 2104[16:22:47] <babilen> It is also not clear as to how it "fails" exactly
• 2105[16:22:57] <greycat> yeah, that would be good to know
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• 2107[16:23:12] <ee> greycat: sorry for late respons. What kind of hardware do I need? How old nvidia cards is it that really works? Are we talking like 8xxx series or what?
• 2108[16:23:21] <greycat> !nvidia
• 2109[16:23:22] <dpkg> Where possible, Nvidia graphic processing units are supported using the open source <nouveau> driver on Debian systems by default. To install the proprietary "nvidia" driver, see replaced-url
• 2110[16:23:24] <babilen> So far I understood "the error" as "messed up priorities that install from backports by default"
• 2111[16:23:35] <greycat> If you can find a list somewhere on that wiki page, or from a linked page, well, good luck.
• 2112[16:23:57] <ee> Aight, thanks.
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• 2116[16:25:49] <Azrael_-> babilen: in my paste you can see 43 packages, which are offered for upgrade from backport although they are installed from stable. i didn't run "apt-cache policy <packagename>" for all 43 of them, just some as example. or do you lack something else?
• 2117[16:26:42] <babilen> Azrael_-: No, but that's what I understood as "the error" that you referred to earlier. So far I assumed (maybe wrongly) that your "apt-get update" runs returned successfully.
• 2118[16:26:51] <greycat> But that was from the past? And your automatic insane thing has run apt-get update 37 times in a row since then and the lists have been changed?
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• 2120[16:27:00] <babilen> And, as said earlier, even if they failed you shouldn't end up with packages from backports by default
• 2121[16:27:26] <babilen> As the situation is no longer reproducable there is little we can do that investigate the issue
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• 2123[16:27:39] <babilen> That's why I said that you should stop any changes from happening
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• 2125[16:27:43] <Azrael_-> babilen: when this "error" occurs i also ran "apt-get update" manually multiple times and it finished successfully but the situations didn't change
• 2126[16:27:46] <Azrael_-> k
• 2127[16:27:49] <greycat> *sigh*
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• 2129[16:28:03] <greycat> Are you in the undesired state RIGHT NOW?
• 2130[16:28:08] <Azrael_-> no
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• 2133[16:28:48] <Azrael_-> i've got 3 virtual machines which randomly get into this undesired state. as soon as i'm in it i will take action
• 2134[16:30:17] <babilen> Azrael_-: Hence the suggestion to wait for it to happen, stop *all* changes and investigate then
• 2135[16:30:30] <Azrael_-> will do, thanks :)
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• 2137[16:30:42] <babilen> It shouldn't happen
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• 2139[16:30:49] <babilen> So .. something is off
• 2140[16:31:15] <Azrael_-> i just LOVE such situations :(
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• 2144[16:32:20] <greycat> "I'm taking a long car trip. I want to have the latest maps, always. So every 50 miles, I tear up my current maps and throw them out the window, then pull off at the next exit and buy maps in the first gas station I see. But sometimes that gas station has no map."
• 2145[16:32:24] <babilen> Azrael_-: fwiw, I haven't seen that on any of the many VMs I get into contact with and .. well .. ispconfig just screams "guilty" to me right now ;)
• 2146[16:32:46] <bobbix> Hi i need help for configuring routing into my virtual debian server to reach my network from internet using openvpn. I can connect successfull to debian server but i dont ping any other computer on lan.
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• 2148[16:33:11] <Azrael_-> greycat: if i knew how to change the default behaviour of ispconfig i would do, but for now i first want to understand what is wrong
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• 2150[16:33:33] <bobbix> Debian opnvpn network is on 10.8.0.0 pool address and my lan is on 192.168.1.0 pool address instead.
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• 2152[16:33:57] <bobbix> anyone can help me to see other pc on network ? Thanks.
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• 2154[16:34:50] <babilen> Azrael_-: Does it happen on all VMs at the same time?
• 2155[16:34:57] <babilen> What are the invariants?
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• 2160[16:36:37] <Azrael_-> babilen: unfortunately not, 2 of them sometimes seem to be equal, but not always, number 3 also chimes in sometimes but i haven't seen a pattern yet
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• 2162[16:36:55] <babilen> And they all run ispconfig?
• 2163[16:37:08] <Azrael_-> yes, they're set up as equal as i could
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• 2170[16:37:55] <babilen> Right, I'd wait for it to happen and investigate then. You could also disable ispconfig on one box and see if you can reproduce on there also.
• 2171[16:37:59] <babilen> (and so on)
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• 2176[16:40:01] <Azrael_-> will do
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• 2192[16:51:07] <ponyofdeath> anyone getting the watts out from apsupsd?
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• 2197[16:51:52] <greycat> do you mean apcupsd?
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• 2203[16:52:52] <greycat> Which field to you think is supposed to have "watts"?
• 2204[16:53:04] <jungeblagen> how do i livepatch in debian?
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• 2206[16:53:39] <babilen> jungeblagen: I guess in the same manner as on all other distributions
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• 2211[16:55:54] <jhutchins_wk> ,v ntp
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• 2213[16:56:18] <cxeq> how can I figure out what is opening a dhclient eth0 process every 30 seconds or so despite me being on wlan
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• 2217[16:57:09] <greycat> Are you using NetworkManager, or /etc/network/interfaces, or both?
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• 2226[16:59:48] <basic6_> after logging in with xrdp, there's a blank desktop, one color only, no menus or anything. all session contents seem to be invisible. any advice?
• 2227[16:59:55] <jungeblagen> next question: how do i dedicate a processing unit for real-timely executing a specific application
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• 2233[17:01:38] <cxeq> greycat: is there a way I can check if I am using networkmanager? I think I am only using /e/n/i but want to make sure
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• 2252[17:08:54] <cxeq> do i REALLY just have to write a cron script to pkill -n dhclient every 5 minutes? that seems so stupid
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• 2255[17:09:19] <greycat> That would indeed be stupid. The damage is already done. You need to find out who's spawning it, if you don't want it.
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• 2258[17:10:53] <jhutchins_wk> cxeq: Are you spawning and accumulating new processes, or is the process re-spawning frequently?
• 2259[17:11:21] <cxeq> spawning and accumulating until i eventually run out of ram
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• 2262[17:13:21] <cxeq> im 99% sure i'm not using networkmanager at all
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• 2266[17:16:54] <greycat> And you didn't enable any of those crazy optional systemd things? I don't even know all of them. Just that they keep appearing.
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• 2269[17:17:16] <jhutchins_wk> cxeq: systemctl status NetworkManager.service
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• 2271[17:17:33] <jhutchins_wk> cxeq: Or systemctl --type=service
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• 2301[17:35:12] <cxeq> jhutchins_wk notfound
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• 2304[17:36:39] <jhutchins_wk> cxeq: Then I presume dpkg -l network-manager does not show it installed. What about wicd?
• 2305[17:37:16] <cxeq> wicd is running but net-man is not
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• 2308[17:37:45] <cxeq> wicd daemon and monitor are running
• 2309[17:37:53] <ikonia> I told you, backup the mdadm config
• 2310[17:38:04] <Iridos> NetworkManager should ignore any interfaces that are configured in /etc/network/interfaces anyway… at least that's what it did/does on my system(s)
• 2311[17:38:41] <cxeq> yea it should
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• 2334[17:52:18] <jhutchins_wk> cxeq: wicd is what's causing the problem.
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• 2339[17:53:05] <cxeq> ok, is wicd similar to network manager
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• 2344[17:56:03] <jhutchins_wk> cxeq: Yes, it manages network connections. For several releases, NM has been the preferred, more reliable app.
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• 2346[17:56:21] <cxeq> ok, I am running raspbian, that may be why it's active?
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• 2348[17:56:50] <jhutchins_wk> cxeq: We have no idea what the defaults are in raspian.
• 2349[17:57:00] <jhutchins_wk> !raspian
• 2350[17:57:01] <dpkg> Raspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use #raspbian on irc.freenode.net for support. replaced-url
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• 2352[17:57:38] <jhutchins_wk> cxeq: If you have a static configuration in intergfaces, you need to disable wicd.
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• 2356[17:58:38] <cxeq> ok, how can I do that safely
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• 2358[17:58:59] <greycat> By asking #raspbian
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• 2390[18:13:52] <maartinex> Hello guys, how can assaign variables while reading lines from a file ? lets say i grep a line and i assigned it to a variable in while loop but how can i use that variable outside the while loop ?
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• 2401[18:19:18] <n0m_> does anyone know where i can get in touch with somebody who knows about the "at" utility?
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• 2403[18:19:42] <moldy> hi
• 2404[18:19:51] <moldy> how do i (reinstall) the mysql init script?
• 2405[18:19:58] <n0m_> i'm trying to build from sources and am going down the rabbit hole of manual dependency resolution, which is making me rethink my approach
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• 2412[18:25:27] <jhutchins_wk> n0m_: Why?
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• 2414[18:25:46] <n0m_> building at for a satellite
• 2415[18:25:55] <n0m_> needed to strip some features to keep it light
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• 2417[18:26:43] <n0m_> no need for a mailbox when nobody has console access :)
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• 2420[18:27:36] <jelly> moldy: which debian release? It's probably easier to restore it from backups.
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• 2426[18:29:23] <jhutchins_wk> n0m_: I would think there would be something that identifies where the code is maintained.
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• 2428[18:32:35] <jelly> n0m_: easier to install all the build-deps first
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• 2440[18:42:23] <n0m_> jelly: Good call. The weird thing is that the source I have includes "lisp.h", which is a local and not a system header
• 2441[18:42:34] <n0m_> so i'm not sure whose lisp.h I'm meant to be using
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• 2445[18:44:42] <moldy> jelly: don't have one :)
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• 2447[18:45:00] <moldy> jelly: or in fact, i ran into this problem while trying to restore an sql backup onto a brand new machine
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• 2449[18:45:14] <moldy> jelly: but i solved it now, thanks
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• 2459[18:47:58] <n0m_> shit
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• 2494[19:02:25] <shellclear> hi guys, I set chmod g+s for a dir
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• 2496[19:03:34] <greycat> ... congratulations?
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• 2500[19:04:50] <shellclear> and it seems to work fine but when I move a file from a directory outsite to into it the group arent change
• 2501[19:04:58] <greycat> Of course not.
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• 2504[19:05:24] <greycat> setgid only affects files that are newly created inside the directory
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• 2506[19:05:57] <hid3> Hello. How do I blacklist kernel modules (on Debian 9)?
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• 2509[19:07:37] <missmbob> put a file in /etc/modprobe.d/ with "blacklist modulename" (no quotes)
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• 2511[19:08:57] <hid3> a single file or a separate file for each module?
• 2512[19:09:27] <missmbob> whatever you want
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• 2514[19:09:56] <hid3> great, thanks
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• 2521[19:13:10] <johannix> I foolishly removed Python from Debian and now my environment is messed up. Was wondering what package needs to be installed to get the default login screen back. Right now my login screen is bare bones and I've been switched over to xfce from Gnome.
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• 2523[19:13:22] <teraflop> hid3: a file per module looks like better idea, for obvious reasons
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• 2526[19:13:42] <greycat> maybe not so obvious to me...
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• 2528[19:14:15] <greycat> "One file per entity" would be my first thought. Where "entity" is, like, a package, or a project, or a specific problem you are solving.
• 2529[19:14:35] <greycat> If solving a problem involves blacklisting 3 modules, I'd put them all in one file.
• 2530[19:14:42] <teraflop> greycat: well you can put e.g blacklist nouveau and blacklist ath0k on the same file called lollipop
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• 2532[19:15:02] <greycat> That sounds like two separate problems/projects.
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• 2536[19:17:23] <teraflop> yeah but it seems I have lag, I wrote my last line without reading yours
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• 2538[19:18:04] <hid3> all modules in one file looks better and more comfortable to me
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• 2540[19:18:17] <hid3> you open up a file, see what's in there, and either remove, or add what's required
• 2541[19:18:43] <teraflop> hid3: fair enough but what greycat pointed makes sense
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• 2562[19:25:20] <scotwolf> hej guys,
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• 2564[19:25:31] <scotwolf> I got a short question, tomorrow my new ryzen setup will arrive
• 2565[19:25:54] <scotwolf> And I want to install debian jessie on it, is it correct I have to add backports in order to install the 4.10 kernel to have full ryzen support?
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• 2569[19:27:12] <missmbob> jessie-backports only has 4.9
• 2570[19:27:15] <TomTomTo1> no, only 4.9. and it will stay that way until after the stretch release.
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• 2574[19:28:40] <scotwolf> Okee but is 4.9 sufficient for ryzen?
• 2575[19:28:58] <missmbob> you'll want to compile 4.10 yourself
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• 2577[19:29:24] <missmbob> scotwolf: replaced-url
• 2578[19:29:24] <scotwolf> aha, and stretch(testing) is also on 4.9
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• 2580[19:29:31] <scotwolf> thanks missmbob
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• 2590[19:33:41] <shellclear> greycat: thnks for help me. do you know how i can do this to work?
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• 2593[19:34:19] <greycat> Do what? Write a cron job to chgrp every file in /foo/bar every hour?
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• 2624[19:50:57] <dataeng88> On current Debian release, what is simplest way to do simple port forwarding?
• 2625[19:50:57] <davidebeatrici_> Is there a way to troubleshoot the driver load failure?
• 2626[19:51:14] <dataeng88> Do I apt-get install iptables? Or is there a simpler solution?
• 2627[19:51:50] <greycat> iptables sounds like the most appropriate choice
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• 2630[19:52:15] <greycat> Unless your problem has very specific needs, in which case you should say what they are.
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• 2648[20:00:10] <kalipso> does the debian netinstall disk let you choose a desktop enviroment?
• 2649[20:00:23] <dataeng88> @greycat: thanks! iptables it is
• 2650[20:00:55] <greycat> yes
• 2651[20:01:00] <DoctorD90> hello! im in some issue. Im installing for 2nd time the system, but at grub it gives error
• 2652[20:01:09] <DoctorD90> kalipso, yes
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• 2659[20:02:26] <DoctorD90> my system is EFI, I disabled secure boot. I parted in that way: EFI, /boot /(enc) /home(enc). Now it tells that it failed to run upgrade-grub
• 2660[20:02:32] <DoctorD90> any suggets?
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• 2662[20:02:50] <DoctorD90> (maybe open a terminal from netinstaller directly
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• 2685[20:17:07] <netw1z> hey guys how can I upgrade from Python 2.7.3 to Python 2.7.9 on debian 7.5 ?
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• 2688[20:17:45] <greycat> I would suggest you compile it yourself, not using a Debian package.
• 2689[20:18:04] <greycat> Debian's *very* sensitive to changes in its /usr/bin/perl and /usr/bin/python.
• 2690[20:18:18] <greycat> Best to put your local preferred version in /usr/local or /opt
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• 2693[20:20:29] <netw1z> gotcha - is there a guide for that?
• 2694[20:20:52] <greycat> If so, it would be a Python guide, not a Debian guide.
• 2695[20:22:17] <n4dir> aren't for both languages solutions to install it to the users home ? (perlbrew and virtualenv, or such)
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• 2697[20:22:46] <greycat> You could ask #python
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• 2699[20:23:23] <jelly> virtualenv is not for python interpreter itself, but modules only
• 2700[20:23:37] <DoctorD90> jelly grub problem again
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• 2705[20:24:10] <jelly> DoctorD90: please don't highlight just me, ask the whole channel.
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• 2707[20:24:28] <jelly> if you want specific help from me, I can give you a quote
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• 2709[20:24:54] <DoctorD90> sorry jelly :P it was because you "already" know the problem :P
• 2710[20:25:06] <greycat> "I'll be back." ... oh, not that kind of quote.
• 2711[20:25:08] <jelly> starting at $90/hr
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• 2713[20:25:45] <jelly> !ask
• 2714[20:25:46] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
• 2715[20:25:47] <DoctorD90> ahahah
• 2716[20:25:54] <DoctorD90> btw, sure.
• 2717[20:26:13] <n4dir> jelly: not as far i understand it: " The virtualenv utility creates virtual Python instances, each invokable
• 2718[20:26:13] <n4dir> with its own Python executable."
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• 2720[20:26:43] <DoctorD90> I installed for 2nd time from netinstall. At grub point it asked me to install in removable path. It runned grub-install dummy, then at upgrade-grub it failed
• 2721[20:26:46] <shazbotmcnasty> Hey there, I'm using issues with 'X -configure' saying 'no devices to configure'. I'm using Jessie. I'm using nouveau drivers, as I've had no luck whatsoever adding a new mode with the proprietary drivers.
• 2722[20:26:52] <jelly> n4dir: it doesn't invent a bin/python out of thin air
• 2723[20:27:03] <DoctorD90> i paste you
• 2724[20:27:12] <n4dir> iirc you have to compile it.
• 2725[20:27:16] <DoctorD90> syslog: replaced-url
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• 2727[20:27:28] <shazbotmcnasty> I succeeded finally in adding my resolution in xrandr, but I can't add it to X.conf to keep the resolution after reboot.
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• 2734[20:29:22] <n4dir> " ... This creates a copy of Python in whichever directory you ran the command in, placing it in a folder named my_project."
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• 2748[20:35:19] <BlackFox> As someone who doesn't do a lot of linux, I need some help fixing a debian issue. Specifically "dhclient: 5 bad udp checksums in 5 packets"
• 2749[20:35:22] <spacebug^> Trying to install Debian on my "Asus VivoMini UN45H". I have trouble with black screen when trying to load gnome. I can't see if there is any error in Xorg.log, here it is replaced-url
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• 2756[20:36:55] <BlackFox> I tried the obvious iptables solution that comes up when googling ($ipt -a postrouting -t mangle -p udp --dport 67 -j checksum --checksum-fill), but it doesn't really do anything
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• 2758[20:37:31] <missmbob> BlackFox: iptables help is in #netfilter
• 2759[20:37:43] <BlackFox> I need help with dhclient, not iptables
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• 2761[20:37:59] <BlackFox> I'm running debian under Hyper-V and DHCP packets get bad checksums
• 2762[20:38:21] <BlackFox> So the server can never really get a DHCP address
• 2763[20:38:39] <BlackFox> Sometimes by the stroke of luck the checksum will be actually zero so it'll accept the packet and get the address
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• 2766[20:39:44] <BlackFox> Just wondering if there's anything specific I could update to fix this bug
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• 2775[20:44:16] <faisal> hi
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• 2777[20:47:10] <dontknow> aliens
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• 2792[20:57:45] <davidebeatrici_> jhutchins_wk: Are you online?
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• 2795[20:58:23] <davidebeatrici_> I tried with the "nomodeset" parameter
• 2796[20:58:33] <davidebeatrici_> Now there aren't any providers in xrandr
• 2797[20:59:47] <davidebeatrici_> replaced-url
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• 2811[21:04:23] <davidebeatrici_> Just tried with "i915.modeset=0"
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• 2813[21:04:35] <davidebeatrici_> [ 8.406922] snd_hda_intel 0000:00:03.0: failed to add i915 component master (-19)
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• 2815[21:04:47] <davidebeatrici_> And I see only one provider in xrandr
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• 2842[21:23:53] <davidebeatrici_> Finally I managed to fix it!
• 2843[21:24:01] <davidebeatrici_> replaced-url
• 2844[21:24:06] <jhutchins_wk> davidebeatrici_: Hey, good work!
• 2845[21:24:06] <davidebeatrici_> xrandr --output VGA1 --auto --right-of DVI-1
• 2846[21:24:16] <davidebeatrici_> jhutchins_wk: Thank you very much!
• 2847[21:24:33] <davidebeatrici_> Do you think I should put this in the Debian wiki?
• 2848[21:24:58] <jhutchins_wk> BlackFox: Which release?
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• 2851[21:25:27] <jhutchins_wk> spacebug^: Look for EE in the Xorg log.
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• 2856[21:27:16] <spacebug^> jhutchins_wk: thanks, I have already got help in #debian on OFTC. I needed to upgrade kernel, libdrm and xserver-xorg-video-intel from backports
• 2857[21:27:21] <jhutchins_wk> davidebeatrici_: It wouldn't hurt to at least blog it somewhere.
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• 2860[21:28:50] <davidebeatrici_> jhutchins_wk: I would like to add it to replaced-url
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• 2862[21:29:04] <boser> question : Debian Jessie use Xorg or a other X-System?
• 2863[21:29:29] <greycat> Jessie uses Xorg. Stretch is doing some Wayland stuff, I think.
• 2864[21:29:31] <boser> How can i find it out?
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• 2866[21:29:47] <boser> greycat: thx
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• 2868[21:30:07] <BillKGR> greycat, I am on stretch and Xorg is the default
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• 2872[21:31:05] <boser> thx, BillKGR
• 2873[21:31:43] <davidebeatrici_> jhutchins_wk: Oh, it's already explained
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• 2877[21:32:06] <davidebeatrici_> Maybe I should specify that the name isn't always "Intel"
• 2878[21:32:29] <davidebeatrici_> Is there a safe way to switch from X.Org to Wayland on Stretch?
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• 2892[21:37:08] <s33_> My server is using /etc/network/interfaces but when I install network-manager it overrides it somehow and my network stops functioning how do I network manager to mimic the current settings or ignore to override current settings?
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• 2898[21:39:49] <mutante> !network-manager
• 2899[21:39:49] <dpkg> NetworkManager is a network management framework daemon. See /usr/share/doc/network-manager/README.Debian for setup instructions and ask me about <nm unmanaged>. replaced-url
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• 2978[22:28:52] <jhutchins_wk> !wayland
• 2979[22:28:52] <dpkg> Wayland is a display server protocol and implementation library, intended as a simpler replacement for the X Window System. Ask me about <weston>. replaced-url
• 2980[22:29:31] <jhutchins_wk> s33_: What release are you on?
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• 2997[22:34:32] <JLye> Feedback please - replaced-url
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• 3008[22:37:31] <netw1z> im trying to install python 2.7.9 from source but it's giving me an error that bits arent found and i cant find the bits? replaced-url
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• 3012[22:38:24] <greycat> You probably want to install a bunch of *-dev packages.
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• 3014[22:38:56] <greycat> For example, try apt-cache search --names-only readline dev
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• 3016[22:39:25] <moldy> netw1z: note that this is a warning, not an error. the build was successful, i think
• 3017[22:39:38] <greycat> Try to guess which package is the one that will let you compile modules that use readline, then repeat for each of the other missing "bits".
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• 3020[22:40:08] <moldy> netw1z: so if you don't need those modules, you can ignore the error.
• 3021[22:40:17] <greycat> That too.
• 3022[22:40:27] <netw1z> i dont think i need them but then Make install fails
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• 3024[22:40:44] <moldy> netw1z: then the error from make install would be interesting
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• 3026[22:41:27] <netw1z> i get: make: *** [libinstall] Error 1
• 3027[22:41:30] <moldy> netw1z: "apt-get build-dep python" might be a cheap way to get what you need, btw
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• 3030[22:42:09] <greycat> netw1z: the *whole* error, not just the final line of it
• 3031[22:42:10] <moldy> netw1z: we need to see more, give us the last 200 lines or such, please not pastebin.com, dpaste.de, dpaste.com are fine
• 3032[22:42:29] <greycat> paste.debian.net is preferred, but others are acceptable, except hastebin, or pastebin.com
• 3033[22:42:48] <moldy> greycat: ahh, thanks :)
• 3034[22:43:04] <netw1z> k!
• 3035[22:43:49] <netw1z> by the way @moldy replaced-url
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• 3039[22:44:46] <greycat> That's not a good sign.
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• 3041[22:45:26] <greycat> Are you mixing releases?
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• 3043[22:45:36] <Besi> hi when comes Debian 9 release date ?????
• 3044[22:45:42] <greycat> Whenever it's ready.
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• 3046[22:46:34] <Besi> But before coming out after version 8.8?
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• 3048[22:46:44] <greycat> There is no fixed timeline for releases.
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• 3050[22:46:56] <netw1z> im on a Linode
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• 3053[22:47:43] <netw1z> says: My Debian 7.5 Profile (Latest 64 bit (4.9.15-x86_64-linode81))
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• 3057[22:48:05] <greycat> Does your sources.list include deb-src lines that are not from wheezy?
• 3058[22:48:14] <netw1z> so i grabbed the python 2.7.9 from python.org and was trying to compile it (so i can get SNI /SSL going)
• 3059[22:48:47] <netw1z> checking
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• 3064[22:49:38] <greycat> By the way, Debian 7.5 is not the "Latest" Debian release, though it may be the latest image offered by your hosting provider.
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• 3067[22:50:18] <netw1z> here is the: replaced-url
• 3068[22:50:20] <netw1z> i have
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• 3070[22:50:49] <greycat> Ah, you have a deb-src line that says "stable" instead of wheezy.
• 3071[22:50:49] <netw1z> gotcha, yeah thats the highest level Linode has to install
• 3072[22:50:55] <greycat> So yes, a potential problem there.
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• 3080[22:53:02] <greycat> (Your apt-get build-dep was trying to satisfy the build deps of the JESSIE version of python, not the wheezy version. Because of your jessie deb-src lines.)
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• 3084[22:53:38] <netw1z> gotcha @greycat - can i change it to wheezy?
• 3085[22:53:57] <greycat> Yes, I would.
• 3086[22:54:12] <greycat> I'm sure that's what they intended when they set it up originally.
• 3087[22:54:59] <greycat> I don't even think non-US exists any more.
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• 3089[22:55:05] <greycat> !non-us
• 3090[22:55:06] <dpkg> Non-US is where we placed software previously unable to hosted within the USA. Changes in legislation mean that post-<Woody>, there is no non-US, so you don't need it for Sarge, Etch, Lenny, Squeeze, Wheezy or Sid. Ask me about <crypto> and <crypto in main>. Old non-US packages (for slink, potato, woody) are at archive.debian.org. replaced-url
• 3091[22:55:39] <greycat> dpkg, non-us =~ s/or Sid/or later/
• 3092[22:55:39] <dpkg> OK, greycat
• 3093[22:55:48] <netw1z> so what do I change to get it to point to Jessie?
• 3094[22:56:03] <greycat> What, the entire OS? To upgrade from wheezy to jessie? /msg dpkg wheezy->jessie
• 3095[22:56:08] <netw1z> i want jessie instead of wheeezy to build python 2.7.9 on this old Debian?
• 3096[22:56:26] <greycat> If you upgrade to jessie, you will simply *have* python 2.7.9 and you won't have to build from source.
• 3097[22:56:29] <netw1z> oh no. i just want to scarf pythong 2.7.9
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• 3099[22:56:50] <mcon> I'm having troubles setting up audio; everything seems ok (no errors), but I hear no sound. I did the usual checks, but I can see nothing amiss. I could use some expert help, if available. Thx
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• 3101[22:58:01] <greycat> Well, you've just verified (by brute force) that a wheezy<-jessie backport of python2.7 will not work. So you should definitely NOT try to continue using your "deb-src ... stable ..." lines. Change stable to wheezy, and get rid of the non-US line entirely.
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• 3104[22:59:52] <netw1z> k. gonna try that now
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• 3111[23:02:14] <netw1z> @greycat i get a ton of errors about deadsnakes
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• 3113[23:02:58] <netw1z> replaced-url
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• 3116[23:04:14] <greycat> what in the hell is ppa.launchpad.net
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• 3118[23:04:51] <greycat> is that coming from some file in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ ?
• 3119[23:05:18] <netw1z> let me check there
• 3120[23:05:57] <netw1z> this is whats in list.d
• 3121[23:05:58] <netw1z> replaced-url
• 3122[23:06:17] <greycat> Figure out whether you actually want them.
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• 3124[23:06:33] <netw1z> lemme drop it i dont even remember how or why i put that there
• 3125[23:07:04] <netw1z> should i just delete it? i might have been going for some arcane package
• 3126[23:07:25] <greycat> I would strongly consider commenting out the lines, or renaming the file so that apt won't use it.
• 3127[23:07:34] <netw1z> done
• 3128[23:07:47] <greycat> If, after a week or two, you're convinced that you didn't actually need it in the first place, then you can delete it.
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• 3174[23:38:50] <alesan> hello
• 3175[23:39:06] <alesan> I wanted to remove build-essential fro mmy box as it is occupying a lot of space (gcc and all)
• 3176[23:39:22] <alesan> if I do apt-get purge build-essential, it only saves me 42kB
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• 3178[23:39:34] <alesan> if I do apt-get remove gcc it only saves 172kB
• 3179[23:39:46] <alesan> I am pretty sure when I installed it it was several tens of MB
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• 3185[23:42:55] <DoctorD90> guys, on the new pc, wifi wont work. It doesnt seems give great problem from dmesg, but it doesnt want to start. I see it neither from iwconfig. I found out this topic, but it is a little old. Any news?
• 3186[23:43:01] <DoctorD90> replaced-url
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• 3188[23:43:50] <DoctorD90> I have 03:00.0 Network controller: Qualcomm Atheros Device 0042 (rev 31)
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• 3195[23:45:40] <DoctorD90> 03:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Qualcomm Atheros Device [168c:0042] (rev 31)
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