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8[00:04:15] <bjorn_> Hi, i need help for a weir error in Debian VM (i'm on Debian with my system tho)
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11[00:04:38] <bjorn_> I apologise for my english, this is not my native langage
12[00:04:47] <alekz> just shoot bjorn_, if someone can help, you'll know
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14[00:05:05] <bjorn_> What do you mean by "shoot" ?
15[00:05:16] <alekz> "ask the question"
16[00:05:25] <bjorn_> Oh sorry, ok.
17[00:06:05] <alekz> np =)
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22[00:06:29] <alekz> bjorn_: just remember to add as much details as possible
23[00:07:01] <bjorn_> 2 days ago, i've got an error when i've launched firefox (about HTTP Strict Transport Security with this error code : MOZILLA_PKIX_ERROR_NOT_YET_VALID_CERTIFICATE)
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26[00:08:07] <alekz> well bjorn_ Google will give you a start point, replaced-url
27[00:08:08] <bjorn_> First i knew it was about my DNS, so i've changed them, when i saw it was not about this, i searched on google and firefox support but i've not found how to fix the problem
28[00:08:23] <TomTomTosch> on every site? check your system time and date.
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30[00:08:48] <bjorn_> I'm seeing that TomTomTosch..
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32[00:09:13] <bjorn_> That's not the right date and hour
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40[00:11:25] <bjorn_> I'm doing a date --set
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46[00:14:52] <bjorn_> Thank you alekz and TomTomTosch : it work now. ;)
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50[00:15:22] <alekz> sure
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90[00:31:20] <ForceRecon> alright so I need to load some virtual sessions..
91[00:31:35] <ForceRecon> should vmware on debian be okay or should I use something else?
92[00:32:45] <ForceRecon> seems like an option - replaced-url
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97[00:34:09] <alekz> lol
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137[00:50:52] <DeaDSouL_> Hi, How long is usualy the linux kernel LTS?
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140[00:52:17] <TomTomTosch> depends. replaced-url
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147[00:54:05] <DeaDSouL_> TomTomTosch: thanks
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158[00:58:42] <sonOfRa> DeaDSouL_: it should be noted that some distros will support a kernel for longer than official kernel LTS and backport security patches to versions no longer supported by upstream
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212[01:24:02] <raynold> ahh it's a wonderful day
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254[01:57:54] <mekeor> shouldn't `sudo systemctl restart gdm.service` successfully restart gdm (on debian-testing)?
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280[02:12:16] <viscera> mekeor: I noticed on Arch Linux that I had to do "systemctl stop gdm; systemctl stop session-c1.scope; systemctl start gdm"
281[02:12:25] <viscera> mekeor: where session-c1.scope is the gdm scope
282[02:12:47] <viscera> mekeor: otherwise the start phase of the restart command seems to fail
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285[02:14:05] <missmbob> mekeor: it's probably gdm3, not gdm
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293[02:18:33] <viscera> missmbob: gdm3 is aliased to gdm
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314[02:30:49] <viscera> themill: FYI, regarding that dbus start problem I was having in the postinst after "apt: rebooted and dbus started. Went ahead and did dpkg --configure --pending to fix the unconfigured packages.
315[02:31:24] <viscera> Sorry, I can't type today
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338[02:54:07] <pr0t> what is the best way to add new packages to an aptly repository
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473[04:58:31] <pr0t> Hi. I created my own repo with aptly, added it to my sources, did a apt-get update. and I see the packages in /var/lib/apt/lists/ but if I do an apt-cache search I don’t see them anyone know what could be wrong?
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483[05:08:23] <jordanm> pr0t: does it show up with `apt-cache policy <exact package name>`?
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493[05:22:45] <pr0t> hrmm
494[05:22:46] <pr0t> Installed: (none)
495[05:22:47] <pr0t> Candidate: (none)
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497[05:23:03] <pr0t> shows version table with my version but no canidate, why is that?
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627[07:17:05] <stupid_user> Hello there, I have a very quick question. I am trying to enable tapping on the touchpad of my laptop but haven't managed to do that so far
628[07:17:39] <stupid_user> I already found out that it is a synaptics touchpad and was trying to follow this replaced-url
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631[07:19:04] <stupid_user> and I already figured out it is set to " TouchpadOff = 0"
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633[07:19:28] <stupid_user> but how or where do I change it?
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638[07:22:20] <missmbob> depends on your de. in xfce (only one i use and know) it's menu->mouse and touchpad->touchpad->tap touchpad to click. your de will have something similar
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640[07:25:08] <stupid_user> well, I'm using lxde and the only thing I can find is "keyboard and mouse"
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643[07:25:35] <stupid_user> which doesn't have any touchpad options
644[07:26:16] <awal1> stupid_user, for enable tapping just run synclient TapButton1=1 (or 0 for disable it)
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646[07:27:13] <stupid_user> ok, works now. thanks!
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648[07:28:16] <stupid_user> and one more question regarding best practices. the way my system is set up after installation is that my user account doesn't have any admin privileges and for all admin tasks I have to open a root terminal or use su
649[07:28:16] <awal1> stupid_user, that enables tapping for (your) current session only
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651[07:28:47] <stupid_user> Is that preferrable to enabling sudo for my user account or would enabling sudo be better?
652[07:29:06] <stupid_user> oh, ok, how do I make it permanent then?
653[07:29:14] <awal1> for make it permanent , I'm not really sure bcoz of synaptics /libinput; I'm not on jessie
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655[07:29:54] <awal1> but I just run openbox or fvwm, so if I need tapping I use command line for enable it
656[07:31:14] <awal1> one way is crate (if you don't have it yet) a file called 'autostart' in .config/openbox and insert that command there
657[07:31:23] <awal1> create
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659[07:31:29] <stupid_user> ok, the wiki mentions setting up a file for /etc/X11/xorg.conf
660[07:31:52] <awal1> yeah
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662[07:32:24] <stupid_user> so is that the same and can I just paste the text for the terminal command (TapButton1=1) in there>
663[07:32:28] <awal1> personally I have 99,99 % of the time I have tapping disbled, so no much clue
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665[07:32:44] <stupid_user> oh, I see
666[07:32:59] <awal1> I like the default (disabled) :P
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670[07:35:55] <awal1> stupid_user, if you are a newbie, not really familiar with debian and gnu-linux in general, it may be preferable to enable sudo yeah
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673[07:37:46] <jelly> stupid_user: it's just two slightly different ways of achieving the same goal, su and sudo
674[07:38:03] <jelly> if you're used to one no reason to switch
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676[07:38:33] <awal1> stupid_user, "apt-get update && apt-get install sudo" then "su + giveyourrootpasswd" and "adduser sudo yourusername"
677[07:38:50] <awal1> that's all if you want to enable sudo
678[07:39:15] <stupid_user> okay, because before I have always been using sudo and remember reading that that would somehow be preferrable. might remember it wrong though
679[07:39:27] <jelly> sudo shines better in situations where specific users are allowed to run specific commands with privileges
680[07:39:31] <stupid_user> and sudo is already installed already
681[07:39:52] <stupid_user> so I would only have to add myself to the sudoers list
682[07:40:04] <jelly> awal1: that's "adduser user group", not "adduser group user"
683[07:40:34] <jelly> and "su -" or "su", not "su + anything"
684[07:40:41] <stupid_user> * minus one already
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688[07:44:06] <awal1> jelly, right, group before user yeah, I got distracted by m movie :P
689[07:44:29] <awal1> stupid_user, as jelly corrected adduser yourusername sudo
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691[07:44:49] <awal1> su + root passwrd I mean su and then give your passwd
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693[07:45:15] <awal1> user before group :P
694[07:45:48] <stupid_user> oh and I only have one single user account and am the only one using it. so the whole thing with setting specific privileges for specific tasks would really apply to me
695[07:46:07] <awal1> almost 2 am here zzzz culpability :P
696[07:46:07] <jelly> it wouldn't
697[07:46:15] <stupid_user> yeah
698[07:46:25] <stupid_user> meant to write wouldn't
699[07:46:28] <stupid_user> sorry
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703[07:48:32] <awal1> stupid_user, easy, run "adduser yourusername sudo" being root
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707[07:50:14] <stupid_user> yeah, I got that by now. My question was more as to what was preferrable. But it seems in my case there's not much of a difference anyways
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736[08:04:34] <awal1> stupid_user, try learning docs and tutorials, checking debian websites, and decide yourself.
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739[08:05:13] <awal1> personally, according to my needs, I don't need sudo and I doon't use it
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744[08:09:10] <awal1> stupid_user, many gnu linux distributions have sudo enabled by default, but I believe they do that having the newbie en-user in mind, almost, bcoz of "security" reasons or whatever stuff related to privileges escalation
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842[09:19:55] <__marco> Hello. Is there some kind of convention for the $CLASSPATH variable? $HOME/.local/share/jars? $HOME/.local/lib/jars?
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882[09:35:32] <edmont> hi
883[09:35:45] <edmont> how to disable duplicate address detection for an interface? I'm trying the following but seems not to be working:
884[09:35:51] <edmont> sysctl -w net.ipv6.conf.eth1.accept_dad=0
885[09:35:59] <edmont> sysctl -w net.ipv6.conf.eth1.dad_transmits=0
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985[10:19:35] <bezaban> ,v php5
986[10:19:36] <judd> Package: php5 on amd64 -- wheezy: 5.4.45-0+deb7u2; wheezy-security: 5.4.45-0+deb7u8; jessie: 5.6.29+dfsg-0+deb8u1; jessie-proposed-updates: 5.6.30+dfsg-0+deb8u1; jessie-security: 5.6.30+dfsg-0+deb8u1
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1004[10:40:05] <alesan> hello
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1006[10:40:32] <userro> Hi
1007[10:40:33] <alesan> I am using debian wheezy on some installation. I know it's old. However, I've been asked to do anything to install a much newer package
1008[10:40:39] <alesan> one from sid pretty much
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1010[10:40:52] <alesan> is there any "preferred" way to do this?
1011[10:41:00] <alesan> it's going to be a mess pretty much
1012[10:41:13] <alesan> any suggestions?
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1023[10:47:51] <petn-randall> alesan: It'll likely break your system, so it's not recommended. Which package do you want to install?
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1025[10:48:31] <alesan> pcscd
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1027[10:48:38] <alesan> you know the smart card stuff
1028[10:48:44] <petn-randall> ,v pcscd
1029[10:48:45] <judd> Package: pcscd on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.8.4-1+deb7u1; wheezy-security: 1.8.4-1+deb7u2; jessie: 1.8.13-1+deb8u1; jessie-security: 1.8.13-1+deb8u1; sid: 1.8.20-1; stretch: 1.8.20-1
1030[10:49:09] <petn-randall> alesan: And the one in wheezy is too old?
1031[10:49:10] <alesan> also libpcsclite
1032[10:49:21] <alesan> and libccid (all related)
1033[10:49:38] <andyreplaced-url
1034[10:49:38] <alesan> yes way too old it does not support some smartcards that are now popular
1035[10:50:05] <petn-randall> ,checkbackport --fromrelease sid --torelease wheezy pcscd
1036[10:50:06] <judd> No package named '--fromrelease' was found in sid/amd64.
1037[10:50:18] <petn-randall> ,checkbackport pcscd --fromrelease sid --torelease wheezy
1038[10:50:19] <judd> Backporting package pcscd in sid→wheezy/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using wheezy-backports, archignore, wheezy.
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1040[10:50:53] <alesan> petn-randall, what des that mean?
1041[10:50:57] <alesan> I am unfamiliar
1042[10:51:09] <petn-randall> alesan: If you can't or don't want to upgrade to jessie, you can backport it yourself.
1043[10:51:12] <petn-randall> !ssb
1044[10:51:13] <dpkg> First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
1045[10:51:35] <petn-randall> alesan: These would be the steps to accomplish this. ^^^
1046[10:53:03] <syco_> good to know :)
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1049[10:56:58] <alesan> petn-randall, I have never used aptitude
1050[10:57:05] <alesan> is it better than "apt" ?
1051[10:58:33] <petn-randall> !why aptitude
1052[10:58:33] <dpkg> aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution and will often find a solution where apt-get gives up. It can be used from the command line like apt-get plus an interactive resolver makes it much easier to recover from broken dependencies. It has advanced search capabilities (see <aptitude search>). For some upgrades, apt-get is preferred (e.g. <lenny->squeeze>, <squeeze->wheezy>). replaced-url
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1057[11:02:04] <alesan> wait
1058[11:02:10] <alesan> not apt-get, "apt"
1059[11:02:33] <alesan> I do not have "apt" on this installation however
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1063[11:03:59] <bananadev> hi
1064[11:04:16] <bananadev> I really want to help rewrite debian/copyright to DEP-5 format
1065[11:04:18] <jelly> alesan: yeah, the "apt" command does not exist in wheezy yet, that's only in jessie and later
1066[11:04:30] <bananadev> where should I submit my patch? Thanks.
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1068[11:05:02] <alesan> jelly, is apt better than aptitude, or the opposite>
1069[11:05:04] <jelly> bananadev: file a bug report for the relevant package and attach the patch, probably
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1071[11:05:22] <jelly> alesan: both have their purpose
1072[11:05:47] <alesan> which? How should I select between on or the other
1073[11:06:00] <alesan> I like apt because it has nice color output
1074[11:06:17] <jelly> dpkg bot has mention some differences.
1075[11:06:17] <dpkg> i don't know, jelly
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1077[11:06:37] <bananadev> jelly: thank you. I will try
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1079[11:07:11] <jelly> my _personal_ opinion is "use aptitude except when it fails to work or is being stupid"
1080[11:07:32] <alesan> jelly, no, the bot mentioned differences betwen apt-get and aptitude, apt was not mentiones
1081[11:07:34] <alesan> mentioned
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1086[11:08:03] <jelly> alesan: you won't know anyway until you upgrade to jessie
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1088[11:08:28] <jelly> apt has... a progress bar!!!1one
1089[11:08:44] <jelly> what luxury
1090[11:08:45] <alesan> jelly, what do you mean, I was having an issue on a particular system that has wheezy, but that is not my usual box
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1098[11:14:51] <alesan> petn-randall, OK I am checking the instructions
1099[11:15:08] <alesan> first of all, how do I know there is no backport already? <debian-backports>
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1109[11:17:27] <choice> Good Morning
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1111[11:17:54] <choice> Being fed up with my servers being out of sync, I just did "apt-get install ntp" on them. Was that a good idea? Will it do the right magic?
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1114[11:18:45] <jelly> choice: keeping correct time is usually a must on the server side
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1117[11:19:00] <choice> So they will now regularely query some servers selected by debian for the current time?
1118[11:19:12] <jelly> yes, with some caveats
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1120[11:19:49] <choice> caveats?
1121[11:19:58] <petn-randall> alesan: by looking at judd's output after I issued the ',v pcscd' command. Or on package.debian.org.
1122[11:20:08] <coke> replaced-url
1123[11:20:09] <petn-randall> (there is none)
1124[11:20:11] <jelly> the most important being if the system clock is off by more than 1000 seconds already, ntp won't do anything by default
1125[11:20:27] <coke> if you dont want to run a deamon that opens ports needlessly
1126[11:20:39] <choice> jelly: It's not off by 1000 seconds.
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1136[11:21:44] <jelly> ;-)
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1186[11:34:20] <Azrael_-> if i hit a debian-mirror, could there be multiple servers behind the same dns-name but have a different list of packages?
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1188[11:36:50] <petn-randall> Azrael_-: Yes, there are round-robins. But in usual operation this should not happen that the contents differ.
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1190[11:37:41] <Azrael_-> petn-randall: how can i find out the exact package-version which is offered?
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1196[11:40:46] <yang_> I am interested where coul i verify if intel 82583v gigabit ethernet is sulported in debian ?
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1200[11:46:12] <FreddyP> run the debian live image from a stick or cd and see if it works
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1202[11:47:07] <petn-randall> Azrael_-: 'apt-cache policy <packagename>'
1203[11:47:09] <yang_> freddy i am considering buying such a mobo, i need to know in advance
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1205[11:47:30] <FreddyP> this is what i did to see if i could find a laptop that was tails friendly, I took a usb stick and tried all the laptops in the store till i found one that was the right price and worked
1206[11:47:33] <abff> has anyone ever set up a midi keyboard on their system?
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1208[11:48:23] <petn-randall> abff: Probably many people. It's better if you ask your real question.
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1210[11:49:07] <abff> well I use alsa and pulseaudio but I really have no idea where to start. My question is just a point to a good guide
1211[11:49:40] <abff> I found a bunch but they're all kind of wishy washy
1212[11:49:46] <petn-randall> This might work for you:
1213[11:49:48] <petn-randall> !midi
1214[11:49:48] <dpkg> midi is, like, Musical Instrument Digital Interface, or timidity to play. smurf to edit, or replaced-url
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1216[11:50:47] <petn-randall> abff: It looks old, but then again midi protocol hasn't changed much in the last decade.
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1218[11:51:32] <abff> sweet I'll try this
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1225[11:53:46] <lco2dabman> Hello guys
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1227[11:55:01] <lco2dabman> Hello
1228[11:55:12] <lco2dabman> How are you txp
1229[11:55:25] <petn-randall> !chat
1230[11:55:25] <dpkg> This is not a chat channel, this is a Debian user support channel. Unless you have a Debian support question, please chat elsewhere, like #moocows on irc.oftc.net or ##chat on irc.freenode.net.
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1232[11:55:42] <lco2dabman> OK
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1244[12:03:04] <alesan> petn-randall, OK I am in that system.. I need to enable the sid-src
1245[12:03:21] <alesan> deb-src sid I mean
1246[12:03:29] <alesan> dpkg, deb-src sid
1247[12:03:30] <dpkg> You can get apt to download source packages with a <deb-src> line in your <sources.list>. A suitable entry for the sid release is: "deb-src replaced-url
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1250[12:05:41] <cluelessperson> Hey guys, where the hell is OpenJDK / Java installed on debian?
1251[12:05:46] <cluelessperson> What is the JAVA_HOME?
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1269[12:14:50] <Azrael_-> petn-randall: thx
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1271[12:16:43] <alesan> petn-randall, I have installed build-essential...
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1274[12:18:40] <alesan> Unmet build dependanciesL debhelper >=9 flex autotools-dev libudev-dev
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1279[12:21:26] <petn-randall> !bat
1280[12:21:26] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
1281[12:21:50] <petn-randall> alesan: Sounds like you're not running wheezy. Can you provide the info from above?
1282[12:22:23] <alesan> petn-randall, well not easy as I would need to copy from that host... let me see how I can do
1283[12:22:39] <petn-randall> !pastebinit
1284[12:22:39] <dpkg> A command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "aptitude install pastebinit; pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list"; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg | pastebinit". See also <pastebinit config>, <nopaste>.
1285[12:22:45] <petn-randall> alesan: ^^^
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1287[12:23:28] <alesan> urh 18.6MB
1288[12:23:36] <alesan> to install pastebinit
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1290[12:24:15] <alesan> but I can do in a different way
1291[12:24:18] <alesan> first of all
1292[12:24:21] <alesan> I added :
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1295[12:24:55] <alesan> /etc/apt/sources.list.d/sid.list (new file)
1296[12:25:24] <alesan> I wrote deb-src replaced-url
1297[12:25:29] <alesan> i this correct to start with?
1298[12:25:49] <petn-randall> alesan: yes
1299[12:25:57] <alesan> then apt-get -b source pcsc-lite
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1302[12:27:03] <petn-randall> alesan: No, you're stuck at installing build-essential.
1303[12:27:12] <alesan> replaced-url
1304[12:27:16] <petn-randall> alesan: You can't skip steps in the instructions, they're there for a meaning.
1305[12:27:28] <alesan> I did install build essential
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1308[12:28:01] <alesan> build essential is already the newest version etc
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1310[12:28:17] <towo^work> 'apt-get build-dep pcsc-lite' is missing
1311[12:28:31] <petn-randall> alesan: Ok, where did you get the error from then?
1312[12:28:42] <petn-randall> "Unmet build dependanciesL debhelper >=9 flex autotools-dev libudev-dev"
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1314[12:28:58] <alesan> petn-randall, see the pastebin
1315[12:29:16] <petn-randall> alesan: "Sorry, an error has occurred. Reason: That is an invalid ID, or the post has expired"
1316[12:29:21] <alesan> the error comes from apt-get build etc
1317[12:29:23] <alesan> wait
1318[12:29:36] <towo^work> [12:28:17] <towo^work> 'apt-get build-dep pcsc-lite' is missing
1319[12:29:41] <FreddyP> ~#
1320[12:30:09] <alesan> replaced-url
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1322[12:30:30] <towo^work> only for you
1323[12:30:34] <alesan> towo^work, mh OK
1324[12:30:42] <petn-randall> weird
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1326[12:30:48] <alesan> I have that link open in two different computers
1327[12:31:05] <towo^work> pastebin.ca is crap³
1328[12:31:08] <alesan> 3806622 is the ID
1329[12:31:13] <petn-randall> alesan: Yeah, you missed the step towo^work mentioned.
1330[12:31:29] <alesan> maybe, it's 3AM :) let me try
1331[12:31:41] <petn-randall> alesan: For future reference, if you quote an error, I assume it's from the step you mentioned before.
1332[12:32:04] <petn-randall> alesan: It's always 3 AM somewhere ;)
1333[12:32:06] <alesan> same error pretty much
1334[12:32:22] <alesan> which pastebin do you wish I use this time?
1335[12:32:31] <towo^work> paste.debian.net
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1337[12:33:16] <alesan> paste.debian.net/930531
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1339[12:34:34] <towo^work> change that in debian/control
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1343[12:35:41] <alesan> can you rephrase?
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1346[12:36:19] <towo^work> change that dependency to you needs in debian/control of that source
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1354[12:40:25] <alesan> I have tried to look up what that means but
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1360[12:43:26] <alesan> I wrote deb-src replaced-url
1361[12:43:38] <alesan> or should it be
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1363[12:43:46] <alesan> deb-src replaced-url
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1366[12:45:09] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
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1368[12:46:15] <pravesh> hi guys....how can i update my parrot sec. ??
1369[12:46:33] <alesan> OK too late now to do this - bye! good night
1370[12:47:17] <userro> Parrot security?
1371[12:47:17] <pravesh> its day on my side..anyway gn
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1374[12:48:55] <petn-randall> pravesh: wrong channel
1375[12:48:58] <petn-randall> !parrot
1376[12:48:58] <dpkg> Parrot OS (replaced-url
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1378[12:49:15] <petn-randall> pravesh: Try connecting to the correct IRC network and channel. ^^^
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1381[12:51:22] <colo-work> the LXC docs on the Debian wiki refer to /etc/default/lxc-net on stretch - I don't have that file; does anyone of you in here? :)
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1464[13:37:56] <LearnerWind> Hi my user was removed from sudoers out of the blue. Could someone help me to figure it out why did this happened?
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1472[13:41:49] <LearnerWind> Hi my user was removed from sudoers out of the blue. Could someone help me to figure it out why did this happened?
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1475[13:43:40] <petn-randall> LearnerWind: There's no Debian package that would do that, so I'd look what command you ran in the past to do it.
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1479[13:45:02] <BluesKaj> nothing happens, "out of the blue" as you put it, LearnerWind
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1481[13:45:52] <toruvinn> petn-randall, some bug with sudo upgrade? or install --reinstall (would that even overwrite sudoers?)
1482[13:46:03] <toruvinn> LearnerWind, also, are you sure it's you removed from sudoers, not "sudo" group removed from your user?
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1487[13:47:05] <LearnerWind> I am not in the sudo group. Just saw it.
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1492[13:47:41] <LearnerWind> petn-randall: NOw i want to understand what mistake did i do. Because i have so little idea that i think it was not me
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1494[13:48:00] <petn-randall> LearnerWind: You could check the timestamp of /etc/group to get a hint when it was changed last.
1495[13:48:15] <petn-randall> LearnerWind: Are you the only admin on this machine?
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1498[13:48:58] <LearnerWind> Access: 2017-05-02 08:55:34.722245124 -0300
1499[13:48:59] <LearnerWind> Modify: 2017-04-25 11:59:24.660785250 -0300
1500[13:48:59] <LearnerWind> Change: 2017-04-25 11:59:24.936785238 -030
1501[13:49:02] <LearnerWind> yes i am
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1503[13:49:58] <petn-randall> LearnerWind: And you had sudo access on this machine before, but not anymore?
1504[13:50:11] <LearnerWind> Yes
1505[13:50:17] <petn-randall> LearnerWind: Which release is this?
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1507[13:50:41] <petn-randall> OS release that is
1508[13:50:50] <LearnerWind> 4.9.0-0.bpo.2-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.9.13-1~bpo8+1 (2017-02-27) x86_64 GNU/Linux
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1510[13:51:23] <petn-randall> LearnerWind: That is the kernel version. I'd like to know the OS release.
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1512[13:52:07] <petn-randall> LearnerWind: "lsb_release -a"
1513[13:52:19] <LearnerWind> thank you
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1515[13:52:44] <LearnerWind> No LSB modules are available.
1516[13:52:44] <LearnerWind> Distributor ID: Debian
1517[13:52:44] <LearnerWind> Description: Debian GNU/Linux 8.7 (jessie)
1518[13:52:44] <LearnerWind> Release: 8.7
1519[13:52:44] <LearnerWind> Codename: jessie
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1522[13:53:11] <BluesKaj> !paste
1523[13:53:11] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: replaced-url
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1525[13:53:24] <BluesKaj> LearnerWind,^
1526[13:53:49] <LearnerWind> replaced-url
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1530[13:55:20] <petn-randall> LearnerWind: I see. So your user was part of the sudo group, or did you add a custom sudo rule to /etc/sudoers?
1531[13:55:41] <LearnerWind> No
1532[13:56:47] <LearnerWind> I will hack it trough grub shell to recover root access
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1534[13:57:34] <LearnerWind> Got it
1535[13:58:01] <LearnerWind> sudo usermod -G lpadmin USER
1536[13:58:05] <LearnerWind> forgot the -a
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1538[13:59:07] <LearnerWind> petn-randall:Thank you for the help
1539[13:59:18] <jelly> LearnerWind: on debian there's a "adduser USER lpadmin"
1540[13:59:26] <jelly> shorter to type!
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1542[13:59:47] <LearnerWind> jelly: Thnak you
1543[14:00:17] <petn-randall> LearnerWind: Ah, glad we figured it out. :)
1544[14:00:51] <LearnerWind> Now i will remember the grub boot sequence. It is going to be fun
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1553[14:06:14] <miroesq> I want to redirect all outgoing traffic from my Debian box to 20.myserver.com to a private ip on my network "10.10.10.2" would I use IP tables or how would I go about it?
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1559[14:09:28] <syco_> -t nat -A PREROUTING -d IP -j DNAT --to-destination IP2
1560[14:09:34] <syco_> same for snat
1561[14:09:38] <petn-randall> miroesq: yes, you can only do that with iptables (or something building on top). You want to read up on DNAT with iptables.
1562[14:09:40] <toruvinn> hm
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1564[14:10:01] <miroesq> petn-randall: thank you
1565[14:10:04] <toruvinn> syco_, im almost sure it's only for forwarded packets. i'd go with -A OUTPUT
1566[14:10:36] <syco_> -A POSTROUTING -j SNAT --to-source
1567[14:10:42] <petn-randall> syco_: That won't work if the server is on the same subnet, by the way. :)
1568[14:10:50] <syco_> ah
1569[14:11:23] <petn-randall> The server on IP2 needs a SNAT rule to rewrite the source address, otherwise it won't match with the expectation of the client.
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1590[14:20:40] <miroesq> petn-randall: I think I got it. It is just one simple line. Could u please take a look at it?
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1594[14:22:20] <petn-randall> miroesq: Is the destination you want to redirect to on the same subnet as the client?
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1601[14:22:52] <miroesq> petn-randall: no
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1606[14:24:20] <petn-randall> miroesq: Then one line will probably be enough.
1607[14:24:34] <LearnerWind> sudo su root -c /usr/bin/whoami
1608[14:24:35] <LearnerWind> root
1609[14:24:54] <LearnerWind> I fixed it. Thank you for the help
1610[14:24:58] <miroesq> petn-randall: Can I post it here to c if I did it correctly?
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1612[14:25:05] <petn-randall> miroesq: yes
1613[14:25:10] <miroesq> iptables -t nat -A OUTPUT -d 20.myserver.com -j DNAT --to-destination 10.10.10.1
1614[14:25:30] <petn-randall> miroesq: Which subnet is your client on?
1615[14:25:55] <miroesq> basically everything going from my linux box to 20.myserver.com should just be routed to 10.10.10.1 will that work?
1616[14:26:02] <petn-randall> !tias
1617[14:26:03] <dpkg> TIAS is "Try It And See".
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1619[14:26:20] <miroesq> ok. thanks
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1629[14:33:50] <miroesq> petn-randall: nope didn't work. still pinging the public server. I just did it through my mikrotik router, so much simpler :) thanks again
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1651[14:43:35] <osx_> hello
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1683[14:58:28] <boxrick1> Is there a way of checking if a mirror is up and valid - similar to an apt-get update without having it in sources.list?
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1738[15:31:33] <jhutchins> !mirror status
1739[15:31:33] <dpkg> Debian mirrors have timestamp files we use to determine how recently they have been updated. Here are some statistics the mirror maintainers provide: replaced-url
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1743[15:32:33] <petn-randall> First link is NXDOMAIN, heh
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1756[15:37:31] <FinalX> petn-randall: first link?
1757[15:37:44] <FinalX> oh, weird
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1765[15:40:24] <FinalX> petn-randall / jhutchins: should probably be updated to be replaced-url
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1767[15:40:54] <FinalX> glad to see our own mirror (ftp.debian.nl) is still in sync :)
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1769[15:41:21] <petn-randall> FinalX: Congrats ;)
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1771[15:41:54] <boxrick1> The question was more related to my own mirror rather than upstream ones.
1772[15:41:55] <FinalX> (well, tbh if it wasn't, we'd have a lot of crap to deal with anyway)
1773[15:42:00] <petn-randall> dpkg: mirror stats is Debian mirrors have timestamp files we use to determine how recently they have been updated. Here are some statistics the mirror maintainers provide: replaced-url
1774[15:42:00] <dpkg> okay, petn-randall
1775[15:42:06] <petn-randall> !mirror stats
1776[15:42:06] <dpkg> extra, extra, read all about it, mirror stats is Debian mirrors have timestamp files we use to determine how recently they have been updated. Here are some statistics the mirror maintainers provide: replaced-url
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1779[15:42:31] <acagastya> How do I submit photos for wallpaper?
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1783[15:43:41] <petn-randall> boxrick1: Probably only by checking the logs.
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1788[15:44:00] <boxrick1> I guess I will point the mirror at itself and do an apt-get update
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1791[15:44:20] <boxrick1> I keep getting odd issues every now and again when things are updated mid sync
1792[15:44:31] <petn-randall> boxrick1: And I guess most mirror daemons only check when they're actually being accessess, so you'd at least have to fake a HTTP request to the /foo/baz/Releases
1793[15:44:49] <petn-randall> s/accessess/accessed/
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1795[15:44:54] <FinalX> hum depends. we sync using rsync every so often iirc
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1797[15:45:11] <boxrick1> I will try an apt-get update after the sync, if it fails I will re-run.
1798[15:45:18] <boxrick1> Probably the easiest way
1799[15:45:35] <boxrick1> Was just trying to avoid pointing at itself, but its fine and doesn't matter
1800[15:45:57] <FinalX> funny how the script we use is still called ftpsync :)
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1808[15:49:05] <FinalX> Microsoft hosting the biggest list of Debian mirrors, did not see that one coming.
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1817[15:52:58] <petn-randall> FinalX: Well, they need something to assure uptime on their azure cloud, don't they?
1818[15:53:16] <FinalX> sure, but out of all cloud providers.. them :) I do know they have their own Debian-based thing going, but still
1819[15:53:22] <syco_> doesn't cost them a lot
1820[15:53:30] <FinalX> yeah, I guess not
1821[15:54:30] <petn-randall> It's hardly any cost to maintain once set up, and it's always free publicity when you get to mention it.
1822[15:54:41] <syco_> yep
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1824[15:55:25] <petn-randall> Where do you see MS mirrors, btw?
1825[15:55:32] <FinalX> all the cloudapp.net ones
1826[15:55:41] <FinalX> that's Microsoft's Azure
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1832[15:56:57] <FinalX> and sure, it's easy to set up and maintain, but it just seems a bit overkill to have 8 mirrors per region
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1834[15:57:10] <FinalX> I guess with strategically placing them throughout your infra, but still
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1837[15:57:39] <cwood> If not Thunderbird (or mutt), which html-displaying mail client from the Debian archive would you use?
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1840[15:58:11] <FinalX> a webmail client like Roundcube, probably
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1846[16:00:25] <petn-randall> cwood: What's wrong with Thunderbird?
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1850[16:03:27] <cwood> Nothing is actually wrong with it, I prefer mutt anyway but work sends html email, I'd like a backup mail client Just In Case.
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1854[16:04:25] <AndreeeCZ> hi! Is there a package that installs some simple DE, without the bloat? FOr example lxde pulls in firefox, deluge, themes etc and i don't have space for this
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1861[16:08:11] <petn-randall> cwood: There's a few other clients, but I'm guessing mutt is mostly used by greybeards, and Thunderbird by anyone else. Guessing they have > 90% market share among Debian users.
1862[16:08:26] <somiaj> AndreeeCZ: a DE by definition is going to contain all sorts of software. You can look for some smaller packages, such as lxde-core might not install as much stuff, but it could still be a lot. Additinally you could install one of many window managers debian has, then just install only the software you wanta fter that. More work to configure than a DE though, but way smaller.
1863[16:08:45] <somiaj> isn't evolution in debian still?
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1866[16:09:40] <somiaj> cwood: there is also evolution. Though mostly cause my work uses google apps, I find web based email more useful than a client.
1867[16:09:55] <cwood> There's a point, should have thought of Evolution.
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1870[16:11:23] <cwood> AndreeeCZ, I get a lot out of OpenBox in the minimalistic way you seem to like.
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1880[16:20:18] <max3> can someone help me? i'm getting only mono through my headphones replaced-url
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1892[16:27:00] <AndreeeCZ> somiaj, cwood thank you
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1896[16:30:19] <ForceRecon> This application any desk really works well for anyone that wants to do remote desktop visually from a windows platform to a Linux one. Much faster and responsive then team viewer or x11vnc / tigervnc
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1933[16:46:00] <donofrio> anyone working on an vmware airwatch mdm agent for linux yet?
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1958[16:59:53] <boxrick1> Hello!
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1961[17:00:23] <boxrick1> I am setting up an MTA with EXIM4 so I can use mail. However I don't want all the system crud going to the root account of that domain
1962[17:00:33] <boxrick1> Is there a way of making it so the system does not mail it out?
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1964[17:01:19] <somiaj> all of what system crap? I don't get that many system emails on my systems, and am glad for the ones I do get.
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1966[17:01:50] <boxrick1> Basically I dont want anything going to the root account ( since it isn't my mailbox )
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1968[17:02:02] <jelly> boxrick1: make an alias, "root: someuser", put it in /etc/aliases, run "newaliases"
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1971[17:02:55] <boxrick1> I assume the alias needs to be before all the other ones?
1972[17:03:04] <jelly> order does not matter there
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1974[17:03:28] <boxrick1> So if a load of other items are aliased to root, will all those end up at someuser ?
1975[17:03:36] <boxrick1> someuser@domain.....
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1977[17:03:39] <jelly> yes
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1979[17:03:58] <greycat> aliases are (typically) compiled into a binary database format of some kind, often Berkeley DB based
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1983[17:04:40] <Eduard_Munteanu> Hi. Systemd seems to ignore Alt+Up (which should invoke kbrequest.target) in stretch at least. Any idea why?
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1988[17:07:17] <boxrick1> Lovely cheers for that
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2003[17:12:50] <boxrick1> Would something like root:blackhole: work?
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2005[17:13:45] <greycat> "root: blackhole" would redirect to the user named blackhole. If the delivery instructions for THAT user drop mail into /dev/null then that would "work".
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2007[17:13:49] <greycat> For really bad definitions of "work".
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2009[17:14:28] <greycat> Putting a second : in the line would not be an experiment I'd care to try.
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2011[17:15:23] <boxrick1> replaced-url
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2022[17:17:46] <sussudio> well, the pentium 3 i was using as a router pc for the last 10+ years finally bit the dust. finding a pci nic that didn't cause a kernel panic wasn't a fun adventure...
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2025[17:18:14] <sussudio> 3com is one of the only relatively stable drivers, it seems.
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2030[17:20:04] <ksk> doing a fresh debian install for quite a while; "Configuring fontconfig-config: Select 'None' if you want blurry text" nice :D
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2038[17:21:05] <greycat> boxrick1: You didn't even copy it correctly from that web page. It's not "root:blackhole:". Read it again. And apparently this is an exim specific feature.
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2040[17:21:19] <greycat> Sendmail and qmail/fastforward only support :include:
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2057[17:25:06] <boxrick1> I didn't paste it here right, but I did on the server i WAS PLAYING WITH
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2061[17:25:14] <boxrick1> Oops
2062[17:25:16] <boxrick1> see I cant type
2063[17:25:31] <boxrick1> root: :blackhole: is what I meant :)
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2078[17:32:38] <ingeniusds> I can't run the Cd command.
2079[17:32:51] <ingeniusds> Help me someone
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2081[17:34:15] <BluesKaj> ingeniusds, maybe you cd path is incorrect?
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2083[17:34:22] <BluesKaj> your
2084[17:34:34] <sussudio> it's lowercase cd
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2088[17:36:01] <ingeniusds> bash: cd: downloads: No such file or directory
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2090[17:36:21] <ingeniusds> I got this when I type cd downloads.
2091[17:36:31] <FreddyP> cd Downloads
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2094[17:36:48] <greycat> or if you're not in home directory currently, cd ~/Downloads
2095[17:36:59] <BluesKaj> cd ~/Downloads
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2099[17:38:06] <BluesKaj> ingeniusds, or /home/yourusername/Downloads
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2103[17:39:24] <ingeniusds> Thanks, Uppercase and Lowercase letters helped me.
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2105[17:39:55] <FreddyP> yes get case sensitive :)
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2115[17:43:11] <jhutchins> boxrick1: I would strongly suggest you not blackhole root email. As greycat said, it's not much on a healthy system, and when there is something you should know about it.
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2120[17:45:33] <miroesq> i have two lans; ethernet and wifi. I have my router set to assign different DNS servers depending on your IP address (all IPs are on the same subnet). How do I get the different lan cards to use their respective DNS servers which are assigned by my router?
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2129[17:49:38] <BluesKaj> miroesq, in /etc/network/interfaces on each pc
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2131[17:50:49] <miroesq> BluesKaj: Do I have to make all info static such as IP address and gateway or can I just assign static dns to each card and leave everything else as dynamic?
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2141[17:54:31] <BluesKaj> miroesq, good question, I use static on ethernet connections and no netwok interface changes on laptops that use wifi
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2143[17:56:00] <BluesKaj> miroesq, mucking about with wifi without network manager is too complicted
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2146[17:57:23] <miroesq> BluesKaj: I am a bit confused, but will try it out. I think I can get around it if I use dnat, but didn't have luck earlier. I will reserach dnat some more. thanks
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2151[17:58:42] <BluesKaj> miroesq, if you kow how to deal with dnat then perhaps my advice doesn't mean much :-)
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2153[17:59:02] <miroesq> BluesKaj: No idea, am just trying :)
2154[17:59:30] <miroesq> and thanks for th advice as all advice is welcome :)
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2188[18:17:44] <miroesq> My machine has 2 nic cards which are given different DNS servers by my router. Problem is that my machine is using the last given set of DNS servers and suing them for both nic cards. Is there a way to setup each nic card to use the specific DNS servers it is given?
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2191[18:19:37] <greycat> nameservers are in /etc/resolv.conf which is global to the entire system, not "per NIC"
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2193[18:20:20] <greycat> glibc's resolver doesn't allow you to specify alternative resolv.conf locations or alternative nameservers per process, either. You'll need a chroot, or a container, or a VM.
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2206[18:27:05] <qtch> greycat, as an offtopic - I'm wondering how it's resolved under windows - you can set distinct DNS for each NIC
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2211[18:29:53] <petn-randall> miroesq: You could achieve "split DNS" by configuring your own DNS server locally, but that's quite complicated. What setup do you have that you need it?
2212[18:30:07] <petn-randall> !goal
2213[18:30:07] <dpkg> Describe your goal, not what you think the solution is.
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2219[18:33:33] <miroesq> petn-randall: I don't want to create my own server. I have a voip switch which I want to use one lan which uses my router as it's dns server so it can properly route calls based on domains with internal IP addresses and the rest of the machine, I want to use the 2nd lan which is pretty much open to the internet. so what i would liek to do is force each lan to use the specific ip addresses assigned to it or use dnat to assign private
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2221[18:33:51] <miroesq> unfortunately, what i was doing earlier did not work.
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2257[18:47:21] <miroesq> petn-randall: My goal is to use DNAT so when I ping "domain.com" to get a return reply from my local server at 192.168.0.1
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2267[18:50:58] <petn-randall> miroesq: Why don't you use a single DNS server that just returns 192.168.0.1 for "domain.com"? You haven't explained the need for your current setup yet.
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2276[18:53:09] <noqnio1> I have a device with RTL-1185 chipset and some preinstalled "avhdd jupiter" kernel. How hard could it be to run debian on it?
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2279[18:53:38] <noqnio1> It is MIPS, little endian
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2285[18:55:50] <miroesq> petn-randall: My mikrotik router does that when it is setup as the DNS server, but I can not use it for both NICs as one NIC uses a VPN and must use the VPN's own DNS server. So I would like to either force each NIC to use specific DNS servers or use DNAT to assign private network addresses to domain names, but so far "iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -d 1.server.com -j DNAT --to-destination 192.168.0.1"
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2288[18:56:09] <miroesq> does not work, even if I try OUTPUT instead of PREROUTING
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2293[18:58:40] <petn-randall> miroesq: Your approach doesn't make sense, a DNS server can't decide which upstream DNS server to pick "based on NIC". How would that even work?
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2295[18:59:40] <miroesq> petn-randall: so how can I use DNAT to forward outgoing traffic from the server to 1.server.com to a local IP address 192.168.0.1?
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2297[19:00:29] <petn-randall> miroesq: Ok, I have a DNS query, "foobaz.com". How would the DNS server know which NIC a connection to "foobaz.com" would leave?
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2320[19:03:51] <miroesq> petn-randall: ok, before the query even gets to the DNS server, can I route all traffic to "foobaz.com" to 192.168.0.1?
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2341[19:14:42] <FreddyP> miroesq: you could setup an entry in /etc/hosts to resolve all traffic to that ip
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2343[19:15:15] <jolt> Andi btkHype btkHype
2344[19:15:26] <jolt> sorry, wrong channel again :/
2345[19:15:46] <FreddyP> my names freddy and i am an .. oops wrong meeting
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2348[19:16:46] <petn-randall> miroesq: Unless you magically know how the DNS record resolves to, *BEFORE* actually querying it, then yes. But then I'd buy lottery tickets instead of fiddling with computers. :)
2349[19:17:05] <miroesq> FreddyP: Perfect, that is exactly what I wanted to do. I knew how to do it in windows, but not in Linux. Thank you so much.
2350[19:17:08] <kallenp> Hi all. I have a three servers. server-storage, server-node1 and server-node2. On server-storage I have /mnt/disk-data and now I need to distribute this mount point do node1 and node2 as distributed file system. Please, can any one help me and say me, what I am need to find and what can be the "best solution" ? I need to find alternative to Microsoft DFS for my Samba share. Thanks, Petr
2351[19:17:45] <miroesq> petn-randall: FreddyP told me exactly what I need to do. It is extremely simple.
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2353[19:18:04] <miroesq> setup an entry in /etc/hosts
2354[19:18:11] <petn-randall> miroesq: Then you had a misleading description of your problem.
2355[19:18:45] <r00t-err0r> kallenp you can also run samba on linux too :D
2356[19:18:45] <miroesq> petn-randall: all i said is that I want to route traffic to a server to an internal IP address.
2357[19:18:50] <petn-randall> miroesq: And you'd still have to manually maintain that list on every server. And you specifically asked how to configure split DNS.
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2359[19:19:05] <petn-randall> miroesq: You didn't?
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2361[19:19:42] <kallenp> r00t-err0r: I am need DFS alternative
2362[19:19:48] <petn-randall> miroesq: "So I would like to either force each NIC to use specific DNS servers" <-- quoting you
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2364[19:20:22] <petn-randall> miroesq: Which is why I was pushing you to explain your problem, not what you think the goal is.
2365[19:20:38] <petn-randall> s/goal/solution/
2366[19:21:10] <miroesq> petn-randall: quote "<miroesq> petn-randall: My goal is to use DNAT so when I ping "domain.com" to get a return reply from my local server at 192.168.0.1
2367[19:21:13] <r00t-err0r> kallenp try glusterfs :D
2368[19:21:23] <miroesq> that didn't describe what I wanted to do?
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2372[19:23:10] <tw> miroesq: what you've described is not something that should be solved with DNAT; in fact, I'm not sure it *can* be resolved with DNAT alone.
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2374[19:23:54] <greycat> echo "192.168.0.1 domain.com" >> /etc/hosts
2375[19:23:57] <petn-randall> miroesq: "my goal is to use DNAT" <-- that is a solution to some mysterious problem you still haven't to us about.
2376[19:24:02] <miroesq> tw: sure, but it was solved with editing the hosts file. all i wanted to do is ping a domain and have that forwarded to a local ip address
2377[19:24:23] <tw> Oh, good. Glad you found a solution.
2378[19:24:34] <greycat> replaced-url
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2380[19:24:47] <petn-randall> miroesq: Especially since it wasn't "domain.com", but "20.domain.com" and "1.domain.com" in the other example.
2381[19:24:52] <miroesq> petn-randall: I thought dnat was the way to go when you told me to look it up, I read that it takes care of routing, pre post and output. so that's the trcak I went on
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2413[19:40:18] <dontknow> test
2414[19:40:55] <redd> icle
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2419[19:43:21] <tomnor> computer at sleep, u2 logs in, u2 logs out, u1 logs in and computer goes to sleep first thing
2420[19:43:47] <tomnor> Then I need to wave the mouse to wake it up again
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2423[19:45:06] <tomnor> any package to update or configure?
2424[19:45:06] <tomnor>
2425[19:45:06] <tomnor>
2426[19:45:15] <tomnor> Linux debian 3.2.0-4-686-pae #1 SMP Debian 3.2.68-1+deb7u1 i686 GNU/Linux
2427[19:45:15] <tomnor>
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2432[19:47:33] <petn-randall> tomnor: What happens if you boot and u1 logs in? Normal DE or does it also go to sleep?
2433[19:47:40] <ebol4> i'd fall asleep too if i had to interact with u2
2434[19:47:54] <tomnor> :)
2435[19:47:54] <toruvinn> badum tss
2436[19:47:55] <ebol4> u ever hear the joshua tree
2437[19:48:14] <tomnor> petn-randall: normal log on for u1 after boot
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2440[19:48:36] <tomnor> petn-randall: it happens when u1 was at sleep so to say, and then u2 logs in
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2442[19:50:29] <petn-randall> tomnor: Is it only the screenlock? Or does the device really suspend?
2443[19:50:48] <petn-randall> on login, that is
2444[19:50:55] <tomnor> petn-randall: device suspend really
2445[19:51:08] <petn-randall> Hmm, no idea then.
2446[19:51:20] <tomnor> me too
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2449[19:51:45] <tomnor> petn-randall: I asked on the debian user list, there was nada response
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2454[19:56:07] <ebol4> tomnor: is this like a fresh install? maybe the user with the suspend problem has some program set to run on log in
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2457[19:56:46] <NapoleonWils0n> hi all
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2459[19:57:01] <ebol4> howdy
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2461[19:57:36] <NapoleonWils0n> im using freebsd as my 2nd os, just wondering about if debian like zfs usb drives or not
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2464[19:58:27] <jhutchins> !zfs
2465[19:58:27] <dpkg> ZFS (originally Zettabyte File System) is a file system / logical volume manager developed by Sun Microsystems (replaced-url
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2468[20:00:27] <NapoleonWils0n> cheers just need to look into zfsutils then
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2473[20:02:22] <NapoleonWils0n> been intersting comparing linux and freebsd
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2479[20:04:00] <thurstylark> how do I find what package provides a file?
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2481[20:04:15] <mutante> thurstylark: there is "apt-file"
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2483[20:04:34] <greycat> if you have it installed, dpkg -S. If not, /msg judd file filename
2484[20:04:38] <mutante> thurstylark: but you have to install it as a package
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2490[20:06:02] <thurstylark> ahh cool. apt-file does what I need. Thanks!
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2497[20:09:08] <tomnor> ebol4: not a fresh install and no program I am aware of
2498[20:09:37] <tomnor> ebol4: might be something with the power things I made long time ago, not sure
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2501[20:10:22] <GNU\colossus> I'm trying to take a backup of a mint condition video DVD mastered in 2013 that gives read block-level errors when I try to read the VOB files in its filesystem. does anyone have advice on how to handle this kind of (I suppose) copy protection?
2502[20:10:49] <tomnor> ebol4: also, not sure it is a u1 problem, this is just the usage pattern
2503[20:11:08] <Azrael_-> hi
2504[20:11:10] <tomnor> u1 is the main user
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2507[20:12:06] <BillKGR> GNU\colossus, maybe hdparm could remove the right protection, but I haven't tried it on a DVD drive before
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2510[20:12:15] <BillKGR> GNU\colossus, write protection *
2511[20:12:32] <jhutchins> GNU\colossus: I usually use DD to make an image copy. iso9660 & friends are not block devices. There are tools to extract the files from a disc image if you really need that.
2512[20:12:35] <GNU\colossus> there's no write protection involved I think
2513[20:12:57] <GNU\colossus> jhutchins, yeah, dd fails on me due to the bad sectors. I'm trying to get around the problem via ddrescue right now
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2516[20:13:18] <Azrael_-> i have added the jessie-backport repository. how does apt decide wether an update of the bpo should be applied when running "apt-get upgrade" or when to use only updates from the normal repo?
2517[20:13:22] <NapoleonWils0n> you meaning ripping a dvd
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2520[20:13:37] <NapoleonWils0n> i think handbrake can do the job
2521[20:13:41] <greycat> Azrael_-: as the instructions say, you have to specify -t jessie-backports to force it to be used
2522[20:14:35] <Azrael_-> ok, occasionally my apt-get also offers me the backport-updates as regular updates although i never specify "-t jessie backports". how could this happen, how can i analyze this further?
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2527[20:16:28] <jhutchins> GNU\colossus: Drive failure is more likely than disc failure, unless it's really dirty or scratched. iso images don't fail.
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2530[20:16:57] <GNU\colossus> jhutchins, I'm 99% certain that the bad blocks are there intentionally, due to a copy protection scheme
2531[20:17:13] <jhutchins> Azrael_-: If you have backports installed, and they pulled other packages from backports as dependencies, I think this is what you'll see.
2532[20:17:16] <GNU\colossus> (I have two more drives to try this with, and will do that just now)
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2534[20:17:36] <jhutchins> GNU\colossus: Ah, that's possible too.
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2536[20:17:46] <koollman> GNU\colossus: it happens. I remember various disks ... some drives had a support for a 'raw' read mode to bypass such system. some software was also able to read just what it needed
2537[20:18:19] <koollman> GNU\colossus: then for some, there were 'hardware bypass'. like damaging/masking just the right bit of track so the error code is read differently
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2540[20:18:35] <koollman> but... that was a long time ago. optical supports are still a thing ? :)
2541[20:19:01] <Azrael_-> jhutchins: with "apt-cache policy <package>" i can see the currently installed packages are from the normal repos, not from bpo, so i assume the updates should also be only applied from the normal repo and not bpo, or do i miss something?
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2544[20:19:10] <GNU\colossus> yeah, I remember the days of laserlok and friends, too :) I just never knew that that kind of thing existed for friggin video DVDs, too
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2546[20:19:37] <GNU\colossus> I don't have a DVD player appliance, and as things stand, I won't be able to watch the series I just bought for no less than 280 Euro if I can't get this sorted out
2547[20:19:39] <koollman> GNU\colossus: well ... they did reuse similar protections
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2550[20:21:26] <NapoleonWils0n> have you installed libdvdcss, then you can use handbrake to rip the dvd
2551[20:21:49] <ForceRecon> GNU\colossus, is it normal that you specify Euro
2552[20:21:54] <ForceRecon> just curious..
2553[20:21:59] <ForceRecon> makes a point
2554[20:22:07] <GNU\colossus> ForceRecon, I'm from the EU, so I guess so :)
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2556[20:23:00] <GNU\colossus> the other drive exhibits the same problem with two of these brand-new DVDs *sigh*
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2558[20:23:12] <GNU\colossus> this is going to be less fun that I had anticipated
2559[20:23:35] <NapoleonWils0n> so the drives dont recognise the dvds because of the copy protection, lame
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2562[20:23:53] <jhutchins> Azrael_-: It doesn't sound normal, unless an update to a packported package now requires updated dependencies, but you need someone who understands apt better than I do.
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2564[20:24:21] <Azrael_-> jhutchins: thanks anyway for the feedback
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2578[20:28:18] <shawn1> is a frozen release essentially a RC?
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2581[20:28:58] <shawn1> I hear talk about RC bugs in reference to the freeze
2582[20:29:08] <shawn1> does that mean the freeze = RC?
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2584[20:30:22] <greycat> Release Critical
2585[20:30:31] <shawn1> release candidate
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2587[20:30:48] <greycat> In this context, we're talking about Release Critical bugs. These are bugs that need to be fixed before a release can occur.
2588[20:30:53] <shawn1> ok
2589[20:30:57] <shawn1> ty
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2591[20:31:11] <uniTosch> freeze means the normal package transition from unstable to testing is turned off and maintainers work on getting the bugs out of the packages. an RC or release critical bug is a bug that prevents the frozen testing branch from being released.
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2601[20:36:46] <Cr4zko> Hey
2602[20:36:54] <Cr4zko> This shouldn't be on the mulan movie? replaced-url
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2613[20:40:04] <shawn1> uniTosch: greycat: I was asking because I found videos on youtube were people claim to be reviewing "Debian Stretch RC1" , and I know they're confused because the installer was RC1, but it's hard to explain.
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2615[20:40:21] <shawn1> but meh I'll just let them be confused I suppose
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2621[20:41:09] <jhutchins> shawn1: We're pretty close, they're signing off on the release notes.
2622[20:41:09] <greycat> Yeah, it's ambiguous. It can mean "Release Candidate" (rc1) or "Release Critical (bug)"
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2625[20:41:46] <shawn1> jhutchins: yay thats good news!
2626[20:42:14] <greycat> "Stretch installer RC1" and so on are Release Candidate versions of the *installer*, not of the whole Debian system.
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2628[20:42:39] <jhutchins> Hmn.
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2632[20:43:06] <jhutchins> I have to build a new server to go from 32 to 64, I might as welll plan on building Stretch.
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2650[20:52:10] <ForceRecon> jhutchins, yup
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2664[20:57:29] <ForceRecon> replaced-url
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2668[20:58:32] <ForceRecon> sorry about me opening a diet coke..
2669[20:58:40] <ForceRecon> I was thursty
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2696[21:13:25] <chaosfisch> Right channel for network questions?
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2698[21:13:59] <ForceRecon> why not
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2700[21:14:16] <ForceRecon> give it a go. if someone knows, well.. we will let you know
2701[21:14:18] <ForceRecon> :D
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2705[21:14:53] <ForceRecon> dealing with IP tables atm.. tiring.. but worth a listen
2706[21:15:04] <ForceRecon> what a mosh
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2708[21:15:34] <missmbob> chaosfisch: there's ##networking
2709[21:15:41] <chaosfisch> missmbob: ok!
2710[21:16:06] <greycat> If it's actually an iptables/netfilter question, #netfilter
2711[21:16:31] <greycat> But you can always *start* here, and we'll direct you if it's too specialized.
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2713[21:19:16] <chaosfisch> Let's give it a try: Two physical interfaces ("internal", "external" - both with access to internet), a virtual bridge. Traffic from this bridge should always be routed through "external", but takes default route via "internal". How do I do that, firewall rules?
2714[21:20:15] <ForceRecon> wow
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2718[21:21:25] <ForceRecon> Bridge-group --- Groups the physical interfaces into one logical group
2719[21:21:25] <ForceRecon> Interface BVI --- Layer-3 routable logical interface
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2721[21:21:58] <ForceRecon> whew... read.. sad but true.. maybe key words there for you
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2723[21:22:41] <ForceRecon> what is your requirement?
2724[21:22:43] <ForceRecon> why?
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2728[21:23:43] <chaosfisch> ForceRecon: having a bridge e.g. "br0", and all traffic for example of virtual machines should go through "external", but not "internal" interface.
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2730[21:23:53] <ForceRecon> oh.. greycat is here.. I am stupid and I do not have the lingo to talk with people since I have no clue what I am talking about.. I bow to the bosses.. with respect of course.. :) no seriously.. this is linux.. let them hold the reins..they really REALLY know what they are doing
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2732[21:24:33] <greycat> I do not know networking at this level of complexity, so I won't be able to help much.
2733[21:24:35] <ForceRecon> chaosfisch, I hear ya.. but these guys are really good
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2735[21:25:19] <ForceRecon> I just study 12 hours a day.. keep my mouth shut and answer what I can.. But these guys are in the goop..
2736[21:25:26] <ForceRecon> sorry I interfered
2737[21:26:16] <n4dir> there is #debian-offtopic (or similar) to get stress from your chest. Well: that's what i have heard.
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2739[21:26:58] <chaosfisch> greycat: to be fair, this question is one that (at least for me) gives me very bad search results :) I'll have a look at ##networking.
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2742[21:28:00] <jolt> chaosfisch: I think it has more to do with routing to be honest. When you have multiple interfaces one of them will be default
2743[21:28:20] <chaosfisch> jolt: yes and that is "and must be" the "internal" one.
2744[21:28:31] <jolt> chaosfisch: so you need to look at policy based routing. Create a new route table for the second interface and say that if traffic goes to x over that link, then it should take the Y route
2745[21:28:38] <jolt> Ill see if I can dig something up for you
2746[21:28:50] <chaosfisch> jolt: but that's exactly existing already.
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2748[21:29:40] <chaosfisch> i.e.: 2nd table placed inside /etc/iproute2/rt_tables, ip rules setup to make a lookup in this second table for certain ip address.
2749[21:30:07] <jolt> chaosfisch: right. Then maybe there is some iptables setup in the prerouting table that does something it shouldn't?
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2753[21:30:33] <chaosfisch> but traffic from the bridge has a private ip currently -> therefore I guess I must NAT it with iptables for example.
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2758[21:32:10] <ForceRecon> chaosfisch, look to the bridge
2759[21:32:15] <ForceRecon> done
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2761[21:33:20] <jolt> chaosfisch: totally agree, and that is probably why the routing part doesnt work
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2778[21:43:47] <chaosfisch> jolt: I can make it pass traffic through correctly, but it is very slow
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2780[21:44:52] <chaosfisch> Added masquerading in iptables if outgoing to external interface, added ip rule entry to use external interface's routing table.
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2782[21:46:11] <jolt> chaosfisch: if you remove your iptables rules for that particular traffic, do you see the private ip addresses on the other side of the system, with tcpdump or something
2783[21:47:07] <chaosfisch> jolt: good point, it doesnt show up now!
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2787[21:47:33] <chaosfisch> not even inside the bridge device I expect to see the traffic in
2788[21:47:36] <onee-chan> hi
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2790[21:47:58] <onee-chan> when approximately will stretch be released?
2791[21:48:33] <greycat> 2017
2792[21:48:35] <SuperTramp83> onee-chan, 2017 :)
2793[21:48:42] <greycat> :)
2794[21:48:45] <SuperTramp83> oh my ^^
2795[21:48:54] <onee-chan> Oh, I thought 2007 :P
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2797[21:49:44] <SuperTramp83> onee-chan, when the greens are fixed replaced-url
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2800[21:50:02] <n4dir> june wouldn't surprise me.
2801[21:50:03] <onee-chan> didn't the bot have an estimation?
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2803[21:50:15] <greycat> !stretch pool 1
2804[21:50:15] <dpkg> ! dutchfish=2017-06-06 nauticalnexus=2017-04-19 cruncher=2017-04-12 cruncher=2017-02-18 bæbīlen=2017-05-06 TomTomTosch=2017-08-08 greycat=2017-08-15 jellÿ=2017-03-17 themíll=2017-05-01
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2806[21:50:34] <greycat> Completely meaningless dates!
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2808[21:50:40] <onee-chan> what caused the spike of bugs on the 18th?
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2838[22:03:13] <onee-chan> Well Debian testing will probably be released when the vector funcition pulls down all the heavy non-summer clothing down from people.
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2843[22:04:45] <missmbob> debian testing will never be released
2844[22:04:53] <onee-chan> well stretch
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2848[22:07:18] <ForceRecon> onee-chan, that means like next month
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2852[22:07:44] <onee-chan> ForceRecon yeah, next month is the beginning of summer.
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2854[22:08:20] <Azrael_-> hi
2855[22:08:48] <ForceRecon> that would be nice
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2858[22:09:13] <onee-chan> I am just waiting for testing to get out of freeze though.
2859[22:09:16] <mandeep> is gparted still the recommened disk partitioner these days?
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2862[22:09:50] <Azrael_-> i've added the backports for jessie as repository. sometimes "apt-get update" offers me updates from bpo for packages although those packages aren't installed from bpo (according to "apt-cache policy <package>"). why could this be and how could i further analyze this?
2863[22:09:50] <greycat> I usually use the non-g parted if I ever do it outside of the installer, which is rare.
2864[22:10:25] <mandeep> greycat: thanks ill give it a try
2865[22:10:26] <onee-chan> mandeep gparted works fine
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2868[22:12:05] <mandeep> onee-chan: cool thanks
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2873[22:13:39] <debianLearning> Hello I am having trouble with my internet connection when managing it with nm-applet. When I enable networking some time after it always connects to eth0 even though I am only using wifi and the laptop does not have any ethernet cable plugged in. I would like to make it so that it does not automatically connect to eth0 every time networking is enabled. I am running Debian 8.7 and NetworkManager
2874[22:13:39] <debianLearning> Applet 0.9.10.0 Can anyone suggest solutions for this or references that will help me solve this?
2875[22:14:01] <cr3> how can I know what targets are called by dh_auto_clean? it seems to just call all the targets in the ./Makefile of my project that that would be insane :(
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2889[22:24:51] <jhutchins> debianLearning: You could blacklist the module for the ethernet chipset.
2890[22:25:39] <debianLearning> <jhutchins>: How is that done?
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2901[22:30:26] <jhutchins> Determine what chipset it is, look for the module in lsmod, create a file in /etc/modprobe.d/ with a sensible name containing "blacklist <module" (noquotes).
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2906[22:33:23] <jhutchins> debianLearning: What are the negative effects of eth0 being "connected"?
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2911[22:34:44] <debianLearning> jhutchins: It stops all internet connectivity over wifi and that is how I am connecting to the internet
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2914[22:35:27] <jhutchins> That is strange. I suspect systemd.
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2916[22:36:33] <jhutchins> debianLearning: It's possible that configuring it for something like 0.0.0.0 in /etc/network/interfaces would work, but that's not documented.
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2918[22:37:00] <jhutchins> It soulds about as helpful as Windows configuring a link-local address when networking isn't working.
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2921[22:39:51] <debianLearning> source /etc/network/interfaces.d/*
2922[22:39:51] <debianLearning> # The loopback network interface
2923[22:39:51] <debianLearning> auto lo
2924[22:39:51] <debianLearning> iface lo inet loopback
2925[22:39:51] <debianLearning> # The primary network interface
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2927[22:39:51] <debianLearning> allow-hotplug eth0
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2970[22:58:53] <ineedhelppp> hey umm i need some help
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2972[22:59:15] <ineedhelppp> i bought a dedicated server that runs debian and it seems like systemd is restarting every service every hour... i have no idea why
2973[22:59:20] <ineedhelppp> i dont know much about this sorry
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2978[23:00:48] <greycat> Most likely reason is the service is dying for some reason, unrelated to systemd. Then systemd just restarts it. Check "systemctl status yourservicename" and see what it says.
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2982[23:01:19] <greycat> (Running that as root may give more info than running it normally. Some log files are not available to unprivileged users.)
2983[23:01:44] <ineedhelppp> no its every service on the machine almost
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2985[23:01:52] <ineedhelppp> not just one
2986[23:01:56] <greycat> Pick one.
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2988[23:01:59] <ineedhelppp> ?
2989[23:02:06] <greycat> Pick one. Get its status.
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2991[23:02:38] <ineedhelppp> apache2
2992[23:02:43] <ineedhelppp> its running since 3 minutes
2993[23:02:47] <ineedhelppp> since they restart every hour
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2995[23:02:55] <ineedhelppp> oh wait 3h
2996[23:02:56] <ineedhelppp> hm
2997[23:03:01] <greycat> Pastebin the output of "systemctl status apache2" executed as root.
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3000[23:03:25] <ineedhelppp> replaced-url
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3007[23:04:54] <greycat> How long has the server itself been up? (uptime)
3008[23:05:17] <ineedhelppp> 16:05?
3009[23:05:19] <ineedhelppp> is that in hours?
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3011[23:05:29] <ineedhelppp> im noticing that a file runs every hour in cron
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3013[23:05:32] <ineedhelppp> well in the syslog
3014[23:05:41] <greycat> Yeah. Hours and minutes, unless it says "x days, 16:05"
3015[23:05:51] <ineedhelppp> and it happens every time the ssh and everything stops working i think
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3017[23:05:59] <ineedhelppp> because right after that it shows me logging back into ssh
3018[23:06:11] <ineedhelppp> May 3 22:50:01 ms130 CRON[16137]: (root) CMD ([ -x /opt/psa/admin/sbin/backupmng ] && /opt/psa/admin/sbin/backupmng >/dev/null 2>&1)
3019[23:06:20] <greycat> The fact that it restarted at 20:00:xx is also slightly suspicious.
3020[23:06:24] <ineedhelppp> ?
3021[23:06:51] <ineedhelppp> i mean it shows it restarting in the log
3022[23:06:57] <greycat> Do you have any jobs that run at 20:00 via cron, which might restart services?
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3025[23:07:26] <ineedhelppp> i really dont know how to use cron... how can i find that out?
3026[23:07:26] <greycat> Even something like "auto-apt-update" or whatever they call it, which installs upgrades of packages, might do that.
3027[23:07:51] <ineedhelppp> lain@occult:/var/log$ sudo crontab -l
3028[23:07:51] <ineedhelppp> MAILTO=""
3029[23:07:52] <ineedhelppp> 0 0,4,8,12,16,20 * * * /opt/psa/admin/bin/php -dauto_prepend_file=sdk.php '/opt/psa/admin/plib/modules/wp-toolkit/scripts/maintenance.php'
3030[23:07:52] <ineedhelppp> 0 0 * * * /opt/psa/admin/bin/php -dauto_prepend_file=sdk.php '/opt/psa/admin/plib/modules/wp-toolkit/scripts/instances-auto-update.php'
3031[23:07:52] <ineedhelppp> 0 0 * * * /opt/psa/admin/bin/php -dauto_prepend_file=sdk.php '/opt/psa/admin/plib/modules/letsencrypt/scripts/renew.php'
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3034[23:08:00] <ineedhelppp> oops
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3039[23:08:36] <greycat> That "maintenance.php" one runs at 20:00 (every 4 hours), so it might be related.
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3042[23:09:13] <ineedhelppp> the backupmng says its running every hour in the syslog from cron i think too but idk where from
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3044[23:09:54] <greycat> Well, for apache2 in particular, which is the one you chose to focus on first, you know that it has been running for 3 hours, *since* 20:00:48. So it was restarted at 20:00:48, but not at 21:00 or 22:00 or 23:00.
3045[23:10:07] <ineedhelppp> well i mean ssh is the more annoying one
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3047[23:10:14] <greycat> That fits your maintenance.php crontab entry extremely well.
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3051[23:10:46] <ineedhelppp> is it normal for php files to not be able to display in ssh?
3052[23:10:59] <greycat> I have no idea what that means.
3053[23:11:10] <ineedhelppp> its just a bunch of like... not found characters
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3055[23:11:29] <ineedhelppp> replaced-url
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3057[23:11:39] <greycat> Are you reading the .../maintenance.php script, or are you reading the /opt/psa/admin/bin/php program?
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3059[23:11:50] <ineedhelppp> it should be the .php
3060[23:11:54] <greycat> The latter is going to be a compiled binary file, not human readable.
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3063[23:12:51] <greycat> There is a ##plesk channel.
3064[23:13:02] <ineedhelppp> replaced-url
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3066[23:13:04] <ineedhelppp> oh
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3068[23:13:14] <jelly> /opt/psa reminds me vaguely of... right, plesk
3069[23:13:27] <ineedhelppp> okay
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3071[23:14:00] <greycat> In any case, I very much doubt the problem is coming from systemd itself. Especially since apache2 doesn't even have systemd unit files. It's still using init.d scripts.
3072[23:14:14] <ineedhelppp> well yeah i know that...
3073[23:14:40] <ineedhelppp> maybe i should just run the php file and see if it happens?
3074[23:14:59] <greycat> I bet it will tell you that it is part of Plesk and can't be run outside of Plesk.
3075[23:15:03] <ineedhelppp> oh
3076[23:15:07] <ineedhelppp> then how does it run from the cron?
3077[23:15:09] <greycat> I mean, that's just a guess, but....
3078[23:15:28] <greycat> Probably that -dauto_prepend_file=sdk.php option does something.
3079[23:15:30] <jelly> ineedhelppp: Plesk onfuscates their .php.
3080[23:15:31] <ineedhelppp> what if I run this? /opt/psa/admin/bin/php -dauto_prepend_file=sdk.php '/opt/psa/admin/plib/modules/wp-toolkit/scripts/maintenance.php'
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3082[23:15:38] <jelly> oBfuscates
3083[23:15:51] <ineedhelppp> okay I ran it lets see what happens
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3087[23:16:41] <jelly> there are... ways around that, but really if you have plesk you also have a support contract so read the docs and/or ask them what their tools do.
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3092[23:17:33] <jelly> (and ISTR their best supported platform is actually centos, not debian)
3093[23:17:38] <ineedhelppp> i mean i dont even need plesk i wish i could just start with a clean install
3094[23:18:30] <jelly> if it's really a dedicated system, ask for a base debian install without crap
3095[23:18:32] <greycat> You might bring that up with your VPS(?) provider.
3096[23:18:38] <ineedhelppp> how difficult is it just to uninstall plesk and everything that comes with it?
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3098[23:18:51] <greycat> That, you might ask ##plesk
3099[23:18:58] <ineedhelppp> i dont really want to ask their support... it would probably either take forever or not happen at all
3100[23:19:02] <jelly> it changes lots of configuration everywhere. Easier to reinstall.
3101[23:19:06] <ineedhelppp> the automated install takes like 2 days
3102[23:19:15] <ineedhelppp> maybe 1
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3104[23:19:44] <ineedhelppp> hm
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3106[23:20:40] <ineedhelppp> if i can access it from a chroot could I reinstall a clean install?
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3125[23:28:05] <jelly> ineedhelppp: not really, you need to boot from some other media, and even then the debootstrap installation method is rather fragile. If you're doing this for the first time there's a good chance you'll end up having to access console and/or the reset button.
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3130[23:29:35] <candidat_> hello guys
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3132[23:30:07] <ineedhelppp> jelly there's a rescue thing that boots from a seperate drive or something and gives you ssh access
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3136[23:31:48] <jelly> right, and that's precisely the sort of environment you might want to try to reinstall via debootstrap from.
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3139[23:32:09] <jelly> and when it fails at some point, you really want to have console access
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3141[23:32:34] <ineedhelppp> oh...
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3146[23:34:29] <jelly> or be very very careful and get it right the first time :-)
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3158[23:38:17] <gljoe> is there a debian tool like spflasher for windows that can handle scatter files for telephone roms
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3160[23:39:12] <g0zzy> Is it an OK strategy when zipping an image of a bootable usb key (looks like FAT32) to create a huge file that fills the unused space, zero-fill it, delete it, then zip it?
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3162[23:40:02] <jelly> gljoe: hm, did you try googling for sp flash linux
3163[23:40:08] <Brigo> g0zzy for getting a better compresion?
3164[23:40:08] <gljoe> some people don't mind paying one hundred dollars for windows because they use it to put roms in millions of telephones for millions of dollars returns on their 100$ investment but others have a problem paying $100 for an os just to repair one telephone
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3168[23:40:22] <g0zzy> Brigo: Yes
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3171[23:40:39] <Brigo> g0zzy, do it worth the effort?
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3173[23:41:32] <g0zzy> Yes otherwise it's going to give me most of the size of an 8GB stick with hardly anything on it
3174[23:41:46] <g0zzy> (probably)
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3180[23:43:24] <alesan> hello
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3182[23:43:40] <alesan> so it seems I have an issue with a package, libudev-dev
3183[23:43:57] <jelly> gljoe: figuring out the right working version of sp flash, permissions to access usb devices, obscure errors, may waste more of your valuable time than getting it to work on windows
3184[23:43:57] <gljoe> jelly...yea i got the 32 bit version but it doesnt work on stretch
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3186[23:44:08] <alesan> this is an armel installation, that has used emdebian and multistrap long ago, on wheezy
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3188[23:44:21] * francine is looking for help with Debian Stretch, but it sure that this channel is the wrong place for ask for
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3190[23:44:28] <francine> Where can I find the right channel?
3191[23:44:41] <Devastator> !debian-next
3192[23:44:42] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
3193[23:44:44] <gljoe> francine..no everyone here is using stretch
3194[23:44:44] <francine> Thanks
3195[23:44:55] <francine> gljoe: "everyone"? sure?
3196[23:45:09] <ForceRecon> not me
3197[23:45:13] <ForceRecon> jessie
3198[23:45:20] <francine> ^ gljoe
3199[23:45:20] <gljoe> francine...well everyone that i know
3200[23:45:21] <missmbob> this is stable support
3201[23:45:27] <jelly> some do. We're not magically going to know everything about stretch the second it gets released.
3202[23:45:48] <francine> #debian-next on OFTC, thank you guys
3203[23:45:52] <g0zzy> Can someone kindly remind me what signal to send dd to get a progress report?
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3206[23:46:03] <CutMeOwnThroat> missmbob, pft, you're not in #d-offtopic
3207[23:46:07] <gljoe> francine..it seems fairly ok for a cheap os...it played zelda3t all night without any problem
3208[23:46:22] <francine> gljoe: Cheap OS?
3209[23:46:34] <gljoe> francine for people that like 100 hour video games
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3211[23:46:37] <ForceRecon> status=progress
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3215[23:47:33] <gljoe> francine...but the main problem is that all the money making software that is used to manufacture millions of dollars of smartphones is all windows based
3216[23:47:45] <woshty> g0zzy: USR1 iirc
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3219[23:48:34] <ForceRecon> we are talking a dd copy correct
3220[23:48:42] <ForceRecon> replaced-url
3221[23:48:46] <francine> gljoe: What are you trying to explain me?
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3224[23:49:51] <gljoe> francine...i can't explain fragile to ace ventura ...how can i explain anything to anyone else...i am just stating that there need to be some way to repair smartphones without all that windows expense
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3227[23:50:52] <woshty> ForceRecon: dd in stable is 8.23
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3231[23:52:39] <CutMeOwnThroat> missmbob, anyway, just wanted to point out that "stable support" sounds a lot like volunteering to help muck it out
3232[23:52:43] <jelly> gljoe: here's the thing: each cheap mtk phone repair show can pay $100 for windows, or one can pay a number of $100 hours for someone to make sp flash work reliably on linux and what, give the knowledge out for free to their competitors?
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3238[23:53:41] <gljoe> jelly..well that is a dilemna..if you don't want competitors to steal your ideas and make millions of dollars for themselves
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3240[23:54:00] <francine> gljoe: Everyone can choose and use the OS that he or she wants .. what's the problem now?
3241[23:54:00] <gljoe> by manufacturing their own smartphones
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3245[23:54:38] <jelly> francine: they want to use a specific app to make money, and the app is a) closed b) doesn't work on recent distros
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3247[23:54:48] <gljoe> francine..the problem is i don't want to have to pay money for a expensive os...just to repair a crap phone that others like to destroy
3248[23:55:01] <alesan> how do I force a package to be installed from wheezy instead of the default?
3249[23:55:11] <jelly> alesan: why?
3250[23:55:15] <francine> gljoe: QEMU and PCI passthrough and everything's fine
3251[23:55:46] <gljoe> the problem is that many people know how to destroy the google store priveleges to get software for the phone...and then tell people...hey that is no problem ...buy all your apps from our non-google store
3252[23:56:02] <jelly> alesan: what's the real issue you're having?
3253[23:56:06] <jelly> !goal
3254[23:56:06] <dpkg> Describe your goal, not what you think the solution is.
3255[23:56:08] <jelly> !bat
3256[23:56:11] <alesan> jelly, the package I have installed is gripped
3257[23:56:13] <jelly> !bat
3258[23:56:14] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
3259[23:56:28] <francine> jelly: Is there a handbook for dpkg available?
3260[23:56:36] <jelly> francine: the bot or the command?
3261[23:56:42] <francine> A list of commands
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3264[23:57:00] <gljoe> jelly...hey how did you know it was a mtk phone
3265[23:57:10] <gljoe> jelly or at least using mtk chips
3266[23:57:27] <jelly> francine: visit ircbots.debian.net
3267[23:57:29] <ForceRecon> I just did a sudo apt-get install iptables
3268[23:57:35] <francine> jelly: Okay, thanks
3269[23:57:35] <ForceRecon> says it is the latest version
3270[23:57:40] <ForceRecon> then when I run iptables -L
3271[23:57:45] <ForceRecon> it says it is not found
3272[23:57:54] <jelly> gljoe: sp flash is a mtk specific tool as far as I know
3273[23:58:12] <ForceRecon> has my brain stopped, run over a bump? anyone else?
3274[23:58:22] <alesan> jelly, replaced-url
3275[23:58:27] <gljoe> jelly...the problem is that a lot of software destroys the phones ability to use the google store for any apps or any upgrades...so then they tell you to buy all your apps from their stores.
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3277[23:58:33] <uniTosch> ForceRecon: it's in /sbin/ which is not in a normal user's path. run with sudo or as root.
3278[23:58:34] <jelly> ForceRecon: be root, and have /sbin in PATH
3279[23:58:54] <alekz> lol
3280[23:59:00] <francine> Or execute /sbin/iptables directly
3281[23:59:01] <alekz> ForceRecon: trolling again?
3282[23:59:06] <alekz> you are good, dude!
3283[23:59:06] <ForceRecon> oh vey
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3285[23:59:21] <gljoe> jelly...so it needs to be rebuilt from scratch...and i am trying to find a linux tool that can understand and properly install all the roms from the scatter file
3286[23:59:31] <ForceRecon> alekz.. how is asking a question trolling
3287[23:59:42] <jelly> alesan: the installed package doesn't seem to come from Debian.
3288[23:59:51] <alekz> ForceRecon: asking without reading first, it's even worst than trolling
3289[23:59:55] <ForceRecon> sudo /sbin/iptables -L
3290[23:59:55] <ForceRecon> Chain INPUT (policy ACCEPT)
3291[23:59:55] <ForceRecon> target prot opt source destination
3292[23:59:55] <ForceRecon> Chain FORWARD (policy ACCEPT)
3293[23:59:55] <ForceRecon> target prot opt source destination
3294[23:59:55] *** ForceRecon was kicked by debhelper (flood. Please use replaced-url
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