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this is #debian an IRC -Channel at freenode (freenode IRC service closed 2021-06-01)
0 [00:00:13] <Azrael_-> although i have a different range, couldn't they still properly provide me a block?
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2 [00:00:37] <Dagger> no, I've just seen a lot of people ask for help with it
3 [00:00:44] <Dagger> and sure they could. but they won't
4 [00:01:22] <bin_bash> MuffinMedic: why
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10 [00:03:22] <Azrael_-> i'll probably just omit ipv6 for my virtual machines. i just hope i can live with solely ipv4 long enough until i have to recycle the server again
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13 [00:04:15] <Dagger> you can get a tunnel from tunnelbroker.net, although really I'd suggest just giving your money to someone that can manage to do a working network
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17 [00:06:29] <Azrael_-> currently not really much of an option to switch hosters. (too much effort and not enough time). ovh is also quite cheap (ofc you get what you pay for)
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19 [00:07:21] <MuffinMedic> bin_bash: Because I'd like something to be able to easily summarize system stats
20 [00:07:38] <CutMeOwnThroat> MuffinMedic, I don't think the computer model is even available anywhere
21 [00:07:47] <MuffinMedic> What do you mean?
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24 [00:07:58] <MuffinMedic> No no, I don' want the computer
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27 [00:08:14] <MuffinMedic> I want a Debian utility o generate a sysinfo output similar to the one I showed about my computer
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31 [00:08:55] <CutMeOwnThroat> but this is a pretty arbitrary collection of data
32 [00:09:17] <MuffinMedic> Ok, well that aside, is there a utility to do it?
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36 [00:09:36] <mel00010> screenfetch works
37 [00:09:38] <MuffinMedic> it doest need to be exactly the same, but a simple, single line dump of CPU / memory / drive / etc...
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39 [00:09:40] <bin_bash> MuffinMedic: that's an irc script
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41 [00:09:47] <MuffinMedic> yes, it is.
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43 [00:10:27] <bin_bash> so go find that script for your irc client lol
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45 [00:10:34] <bin_bash> it wouldnt be a debian thing, it would be an irc client thing
46 [00:10:41] <MuffinMedic> I don't want it for irc though
47 [00:10:52] <bin_bash> what do you want it for?
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51 [00:11:12] <MuffinMedic> i want to be able to do a s iimlar info dump from the command line
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53 [00:11:21] <abff> MuffinMedic: you couldwrite abash script that pulls relevant information and greps each line youwant and prints it all to stout
54 [00:11:26] <mel00010> install the package screenfetch
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58 [00:11:36] <bin_bash> ^^
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62 [00:11:44] <mel00010> I think it has what you're looking for
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64 [00:11:55] <bin_bash> screenfetch or archey
65 [00:12:05] <internetpanda> so I am at a complete and utter loss. I used debian for my seedbox, and I got everything installed fine. Then I configured and setup everything. Boom it all works flawlessly for a day and now out of nowhere I can't login anymore via ssh.
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68 [00:12:25] <bin_bash> internetpanda: what error are you getting?
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70 [00:12:27] <bin_bash> invalid password?
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73 [00:12:36] <internetpanda> one sec
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75 [00:12:47] <internetpanda> lemme paste the verbose log
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78 [00:12:55] <bin_bash> in a pastebin
79 [00:12:58] <bin_bash> not directly in the channel
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82 [00:13:09] <internetpanda> naturally
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105 [00:14:29] <internetpanda> replaced-url
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135 [00:14:59] <internetpanda> I thought maybe someone hacked me or something, but nothing has changed outside of the password. I am not a noob either, I am pretty good at what I do.
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138 [00:15:11] <internetpanda> but man I can't figure this one out for the life of me.
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146 [00:15:48] <mel00010> are you using pubkey authentication?
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150 [00:15:58] <bin_bash> looks like it cant find a key so it's asking for a password
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154 [00:16:10] <benoit_> lost your password?
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157 [00:16:19] <internetpanda> no I didn't
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159 [00:16:31] <mel00010> are you using public key auth?
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161 [00:16:35] <internetpanda> I reset it because it wouldn't let me login thinking maybe it got reset somehow
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166 [00:16:49] <internetpanda> I tried to add a key after it wouldn't let me in via my reset password
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168 [00:16:53] <internetpanda> via chroot
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194 [00:17:24] <internetpanda> even when I chroot in and reset the password and delete the public key it still doesn't let me in with the new reset password
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207 [00:17:55] <mel00010> are you deleting it from the authorized_keys file?
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217 [00:18:09] <benoit_> password login disabled then
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219 [00:18:13] <mel00010> or deleting the machine's pubkey?
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227 [00:18:28] <benoit_> yeah
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230 [00:18:47] <benoit_> 1. clear user's ssh dotfiles
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234 [00:18:54] <benoit_> 2. ensure password login through ssh is on
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246 [00:19:50] <internetpanda> k
247 [00:19:54] <internetpanda> lemme try that and see
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249 [00:20:12] <CutMeOwnThroat> guess you typed a password
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253 [00:20:18] <CutMeOwnThroat> and have no key
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262 [00:21:06] <CutMeOwnThroat> heh… nice, was stuck in the scrollback
263 [00:21:06] <benoit_> the logs say he hasn't got any matching key
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270 [00:21:30] <CutMeOwnThroat> but all that output is useless for a typed password
271 [00:21:39] <CutMeOwnThroat> as that happens in … like… the penultimate line
272 [00:21:43] <benoit_> it falls back to password
273 [00:21:48] <internetpanda> well the thing is the keys are irrelevant
274 [00:21:53] <internetpanda> because ssh tries them first
275 [00:21:54] <benoit_> but the preferred method is publickey
276 [00:21:58] <internetpanda> then the password is the fallback
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279 [00:22:06] <benoit_> yeah
280 [00:22:09] <internetpanda> the fact is it keeps denying a valid password
281 [00:22:14] <mel00010> its asking for both
282 [00:22:17] <internetpanda> why is that? maybe the settign changed
283 [00:22:19] <CutMeOwnThroat> look into the logs on the server
284 [00:22:20] <bin_bash> do you have password authentication enabled?
285 [00:22:23] <CutMeOwnThroat> that's more interesting
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288 [00:22:28] <internetpanda> it was enabled
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290 [00:22:31] <benoit_> okay
291 [00:22:34] <bin_bash> go look and make sure
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293 [00:22:37] <bin_bash> and then restart sshd
294 [00:22:40] <benoit_> then charset is the likely culprit
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296 [00:22:48] <internetpanda> I can't get in to do that
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298 [00:22:52] <benoit_> he is chmod into the box
299 [00:22:55] <bin_bash> i thought you could chroot?
300 [00:22:57] <benoit_> wtf
301 [00:22:58] <internetpanda> ya I can
302 [00:23:02] <benoit_> *chrooting
303 [00:23:03] <internetpanda> I meant I can't restart sshd
304 [00:23:06] <bin_bash> why?
305 [00:23:08] <internetpanda> so I need to boot down
306 [00:23:10] <internetpanda> then do it all
307 [00:23:12] <internetpanda> then boot back up
308 [00:23:14] <bin_bash> wy can't you restart it?
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310 [00:23:18] <benoit_> yeah, it's fine
311 [00:23:22] <internetpanda> because I can't ssh into it
312 [00:23:32] <mel00010> so how are you accessing the machine?
313 [00:23:32] <internetpanda> I have to do it all via the panel until it is in rescue mode
314 [00:23:37] <mel00010> ah
315 [00:23:38] <benoit_> do you have any accents in your password
316 [00:23:39] <mel00010> nvm
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318 [00:23:45] <benoit_> weird chars or whatnot?
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320 [00:23:53] <internetpanda> then I can ssh in via this software thing from my host that's sort of like ilo
321 [00:23:59] <internetpanda> ya it has some symbols in it
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323 [00:24:10] <internetpanda> but the password I changed it to when I chrooted has none
324 [00:24:17] <benoit_> ascii symbols or some encoding accent characters?
325 [00:24:22] <benoit_> okay
326 [00:24:24] <bin_bash> wait so you can reset passwords but you can't restart sshd
327 [00:24:25] <internetpanda> only basic symbols
328 [00:24:28] <bin_bash> how does that work?
329 [00:24:41] <benoit_> technically he could
330 [00:24:49] <benoit_> but he didn't change the config so there's no use
331 [00:24:56] <bin_bash> right but he should checxk the config
332 [00:25:01] <bin_bash> to make sure password auth is enabled
333 [00:25:03] <bin_bash> and then restart sshd
334 [00:25:10] <internetpanda> I didnt change it, but I will verify the sshd config
335 [00:25:14] <benoit_> he said it was enabled
336 [00:25:15] <internetpanda> gimme a sec
337 [00:25:16] <bin_bash> that's basically the first step in debugging this
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339 [00:25:20] <internetpanda> also thank you guys so much for the help
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343 [00:25:39] <internetpanda> I know what I am doing, but sometimes you need extra ideas to help solve something that crops up out of nowhere
344 [00:25:39] <benoit_> make sure ~/.ssh is clean on your box
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347 [00:25:46] <bin_bash> ive had this issue (or similar) so many times and it was solved by restarting sshd
348 [00:25:52] <bin_bash> which ofc made me feel like an idiot
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351 [00:26:06] <bin_bash> which is why im suggesting it so hard, because if that fixes it youll feel like less of an idiot
352 [00:26:12] <bin_bash> :D
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354 [00:26:22] <mel00010> I agree with bin_bash
355 [00:26:27] <internetpanda> it isn't something that can be done because how do you restart sshd without logging into the server?
356 [00:26:28] <benoit_> right, it's fairly innofensive
357 [00:26:40] <bin_bash> it doesn't log you out
358 [00:26:49] <benoit_> yeah
359 [00:26:54] <bin_bash> it doesn't kill all the connections, it just restarts the service
360 [00:26:56] <benoit_> it just sends a signal to the process
361 [00:27:04] <benoit_> the process catches the signal, reloads the config
362 [00:27:11] <internetpanda> ya I know
363 [00:27:17] <internetpanda> and that's great if you're logged in already
364 [00:27:23] <internetpanda> but I am not
365 [00:27:23] <CutMeOwnThroat> internetpanda, guess you could add some passwordless backdoor for debugging… I guess you're not on the public net with it right now anyway
366 [00:27:23] <bin_bash> you are logged in
367 [00:27:25] <bin_bash> with a chroot
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369 [00:27:36] <internetpanda> no I am not
370 [00:27:38] <benoit_> well, he's not actually chrooting
371 [00:27:39] <bin_bash> i dont see where the disconnect is
372 [00:27:40] <internetpanda> I can only chroot into it
373 [00:27:44] <internetpanda> when it is off
374 [00:27:51] <bin_bash> oh
375 [00:27:51] <benoit_> apparently he uses some web-based term
376 [00:27:52] <bin_bash> what
377 [00:27:53] <mel00010> ah
378 [00:28:01] <bin_bash> wait how does thta work
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380 [00:28:09] <benoit_> some web providers do that
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382 [00:28:25] <mel00010> if it's off, then wouldn't it restart sshd anyway when he powers it back up?
383 [00:28:26] <benoit_> fake term on the provider's web pannel, proxyied to the box
384 [00:28:31] <bin_bash> OH
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386 [00:28:46] <bin_bash> wait internetpanda do you have a java console then?
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388 [00:28:53] <mel00010> can the web panel "restart" the machine?
389 [00:29:05] <bin_bash> im trying to visualize how this is setup
390 [00:29:08] <internetpanda> I am using it via hetzner
391 [00:29:11] <benoit_> in the rescue web panel thing he has command line access
392 [00:29:11] <bin_bash> ive never heard of a fake chroot
393 [00:29:12] <internetpanda> and it isn't a fake term
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395 [00:29:27] <bin_bash> benoit_: yea but that's usually a virtual console and u can do anything
396 [00:29:30] <mel00010> I guess a better question is: what can you do with the panel?
397 [00:29:32] <internetpanda> replaced-url
398 [00:29:33] <bin_bash> ^
399 [00:29:34] <internetpanda> for the curious
400 [00:29:37] <benoit_> yeah, I meant it's a web thingie
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402 [00:29:41] <benoit_> close enough :p
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404 [00:29:52] <benoit_> agreed
405 [00:30:08] <mel00010> thanks for the link
406 [00:30:15] <mel00010> saved me some googling
407 [00:30:26] <benoit_> so you restarted the daemon?
408 [00:30:27] <bin_bash> internetpanda: ok so then try rebooting the machine? that should restart sshd
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412 [00:31:17] <bin_bash> im out acutally
413 [00:31:18] <internetpanda> I did that already several times
414 [00:31:23] <bin_bash> good luck i hope you get it figured out
415 [00:31:23] <internetpanda> anyways here is my sshd config
416 [00:31:25] <internetpanda> replaced-url
417 [00:31:28] <internetpanda> thanks bin_bash
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419 [00:31:44] <bin_bash> dude
420 [00:31:45] <bin_bash> internetpanda:
421 [00:31:46] <internetpanda> anything there looked messed up?
422 [00:31:49] <mel00010> so if I understand it correctly, what you are running is a live rescue system?
423 [00:31:50] <bin_bash> #PasswordAuthentication
424 [00:31:54] <bin_bash> that's commented out
425 [00:32:03] <mel00010> that would be why it won't work
426 [00:32:07] <bin_bash> so it's not accepting passwords
427 [00:32:14] <bin_bash> which is why you cant login with a password
428 [00:32:15] <benoit_> uncomment this: #PasswordAuthentication yes
429 [00:32:17] <benoit_> yeah
430 [00:32:18] <bin_bash> remove the #
431 [00:32:20] <bin_bash> and then it'll work
432 [00:32:23] <bin_bash> after rebooting
433 [00:32:25] <internetpanda> ya but how the fuck did that happen out of nowhere
434 [00:32:27] <CutMeOwnThroat> internetpanda, /var/log/secure (probably.)
435 [00:32:28] <benoit_> or restart the daemon
436 [00:32:28] <mel00010> yeah
437 [00:32:34] <benoit_> hum
438 [00:32:38] <benoit_> I think it's the default
439 [00:32:40] <internetpanda> I havent eddited my sshdconfig since I installed the system
440 [00:32:42] <mel00010> the daemon isnt running benoit_
441 [00:32:52] <benoit_> oh really
442 [00:32:53] <mel00010> hes running a live rescue image
443 [00:32:53] <internetpanda> do you think it happened when I ran an apt-get upgrade?
444 [00:32:58] <mel00010> I think
445 [00:32:59] <benoit_> fuck ok
446 [00:33:09] <benoit_> yeah, we don't know how he's accessing it
447 [00:33:13] <benoit_> reboot is the safest
448 [00:33:17] <bin_bash> possibly? idr if debian overrides configs like that
449 [00:33:24] <mel00010> Maybe
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451 [00:33:37] <benoit_> tbh disabling password logins is the safest
452 [00:33:45] <benoit_> esp. on providers such as yours
453 [00:33:47] <CutMeOwnThroat> it's commented out in the config file because it's the default … or at least that is common practice
454 [00:33:50] <mel00010> maybe on less important packages, but the sshd maintainers are really careful
455 [00:34:00] <benoit_> you'll get constant SSH scanning
456 [00:34:02] <bin_bash> alirght i rly gotta go
457 [00:34:04] <bin_bash> good luck, internetpanda
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459 [00:34:09] <bin_bash> hoepfully iyt's just that config file :D
460 [00:34:21] <benoit_> gn
461 [00:34:29] <mel00010> gn
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463 [00:34:53] <mel00010> I agree with benoit_ on the password login issue
464 [00:35:09] <mel00010> You should get the key auth working, then disable password login
465 [00:35:12] <benoit_> I've had one instance of a successful scan
466 [00:35:17] <benoit_> had to destroy the server
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469 [00:35:56] <benoit_> setting up a pubkey authentication is really easy as well
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471 [00:36:20] <mel00010> you should also disable PermitRootLogin
472 [00:36:37] <benoit_> lol
473 [00:36:41] <benoit_> actually
474 [00:36:48] <benoit_> depends if his rescue term uses root
475 [00:36:51] <mel00010> or at least set it to without-password
476 [00:36:58] <benoit_> he could be locked out from rescue
477 [00:37:13] <benoit_> I've seen Online.net (dedibox) do that in the past
478 [00:37:22] <benoit_> but it was only permitted through ttys
479 [00:37:29] <benoit_> *actual ttys
480 [00:37:46] <benoit_> which is what their rescue Java term was wired through
481 [00:37:53] <mel00010> If I understand correctly, his rescue environment is actually just a live linux image
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483 [00:38:03] <mel00010> and he mounts the os partition
484 [00:38:13] <mel00010> and then chroots into it
485 [00:38:17] <benoit_> couldn't tell, I've never used Hetzner
486 [00:38:22] <mel00010> me neither
487 [00:38:27] <internetpanda> I changed permitrootlogin from off
488 [00:38:31] <internetpanda> to try and login last time
489 [00:38:39] <internetpanda> and missed that config for passwordauthentication
490 [00:38:46] <benoit_> lol
491 [00:38:49] <internetpanda> because I thought the problem was password related
492 [00:38:51] <internetpanda> not ssh related
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494 [00:38:59] <mel00010> thats a fair assumption
495 [00:39:04] <internetpanda> so I figured if I enabled root login my root login would work
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497 [00:39:18] <internetpanda> because I didnt change my sshd config something else did
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499 [00:39:23] <mel00010> I have my PermitRootLogin set to without-password
500 [00:39:26] <benoit_> set it back to disabled then
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505 [00:39:56] <mel00010> It doesn't let password login happen, but you can still login as root if need be with a pubkey
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507 [00:41:10] <benoit_> so you're good now, right?
508 [00:41:20] <mel00010> ^^
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512 [00:41:47] <internetpanda> we will see
513 [00:41:50] <internetpanda> rebooting now
514 [00:44:03] <internetpanda> no dice
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516 [00:44:07] <internetpanda> this is so frustrating
517 [00:44:34] <benoit_> what's the config like now?
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520 [00:45:25] <mel00010> is sshd running?
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522 [00:45:47] <mel00010> because sometimes sshd just doesn't start
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524 [00:46:10] <internetpanda> replaced-url
525 [00:46:16] <internetpanda> yes it is running
526 [00:46:24] <internetpanda> if it wasnt then I wouldn't get a response
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528 [00:46:58] <mel00010> maybe uncommenting #AuthorizedKeysFile %h/.ssh/authorized_keys would help?
529 [00:47:00] <mel00010> not sure
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532 [00:47:31] <benoit_> nah
533 [00:47:48] <benoit_> does your user have a valid shell
534 [00:47:56] <benoit_> you can see that in /etc/passwd
535 [00:47:57] <internetpanda> new log
536 [00:47:58] <internetpanda> replaced-url
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538 [00:48:08] <benoit_> it should be bash or sh or zsh or something
539 [00:48:17] <benoit_> but not /bin/false
540 [00:48:41] <internetpanda> I know root does for sure
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542 [00:48:54] <internetpanda> and it won't let me login with the root password
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544 [00:49:06] <internetpanda> so I think the shell isn't the issue
545 [00:50:01] <benoit_> the logs would mention it if the shell was an issue
546 [00:50:32] <benoit_> can you check what groups your user belongs to?
547 [00:51:03] <benoit_> cat /etc/group | grep YOUR_USER
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549 [00:51:16] <benoit_> you have this line at the end: AllowGroups sudo sshuser
550 [00:51:29] <benoit_> so if your users are in neither groups, they can't login
551 [00:51:38] <mel00010> yeah
552 [00:51:46] <internetpanda> k one sec
553 [00:51:47] <mel00010> try commenting that line out
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561 [00:54:31] <benoit_> does this command bring anything of interst? cat /etc/group | grep YOUR_USER
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563 [00:56:52] <internetpanda> plex:x:1000:
564 [00:56:56] <internetpanda> that's what it gives me
565 [00:56:59] <benoit_> yeah exactly
566 [00:57:05] <benoit_> edit /etc/group
567 [00:57:11] <internetpanda> so comment that last line out
568 [00:57:14] <internetpanda> or edit the groups?
569 [00:57:19] <benoit_> edit the groups
570 [00:57:25] <mel00010> I'd add plex to the group sshusers
571 [00:57:32] <benoit_> edit /etc/group
572 [00:57:39] <benoit_> find the line with sshuser
573 [00:57:47] <benoit_> and add plex,root at the end
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575 [00:57:58] <benoit_> it'll enable ssh for root and plex users
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577 [00:58:02] <benoit_> after your reboot
578 [00:58:12] <benoit_> you may want to leave root out
579 [00:58:15] <internetpanda> so what do I put on the line exactly?
580 [00:58:20] <benoit_> since ssh root login is bad practice
581 [00:58:24] <mel00010> yeah
582 [00:58:34] <internetpanda> sshuser:x:1001:
583 [00:58:36] <internetpanda> this is the line
584 [00:58:40] <benoit_> I can't tell you because I don't know the group number
585 [00:58:43] <internetpanda> how should it change?
586 [00:58:43] <benoit_> okay
587 [00:58:49] <benoit_> sshuser:x:1001:plex
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589 [00:58:53] <benoit_> that's what it should be
590 [00:58:54] <mel00010> I use PermitRootLogin without-passwd
591 [00:59:01] <benoit_> if you want root as well
592 [00:59:04] <benoit_> sshuser:x:1001:plex,root
593 [00:59:06] <mel00010> it disallows password login to root
594 [00:59:13] <mel00010> over ssh, that is
595 [00:59:40] <benoit_> I doubt he'll use a pubkey though so I'm worried about that :)
596 [00:59:54] <benoit_> he doesn't seem too keen to use pubkeys :)
597 [01:00:04] <mel00010> Pubkeys are complicated
598 [01:00:09] <mel00010> passwords are simple
599 [01:00:12] <mel00010> for setup
600 [01:00:17] <internetpanda> I am going to use a key
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604 [01:00:19] <internetpanda> but not yet
605 [01:00:25] <mel00010> yeah
606 [01:00:25] <internetpanda> I wanted to get the entire server up
607 [01:00:29] <internetpanda> then I was going to harden it
608 [01:00:31] <Canucktux> hello, I am having some problems getting my intel graphics to work
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610 [01:00:41] <benoit_> change /etc/group as I said
611 [01:00:42] <mel00010> Get it working, then lock it down
612 [01:00:45] <benoit_> and you should be good
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614 [01:00:49] <mel00010> yeah
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616 [01:00:55] <mel00010> I think that would fix it
617 [01:01:12] <mel00010> Unless there's something else wrong with the configs
618 [01:01:17] <internetpanda> sshuser:x:1001:plex
619 [01:01:22] <internetpanda> k that's what it says now
620 [01:01:22] <benoit_> yeah
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622 [01:01:33] <benoit_> looks good
623 [01:01:41] <internetpanda> rebooting now
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627 [01:02:55] <internetpanda> victory!
628 [01:02:59] <internetpanda> thanks so much guys
629 [01:03:07] <mel00010> yay
630 [01:03:08] <internetpanda> no idea what happened or changed to cause that
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632 [01:03:15] <mel00010> idk either
633 [01:03:16] <internetpanda> but it's all good now
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635 [01:03:24] <internetpanda> thanks a million
636 [01:03:25] <mel00010> id back up the working config
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638 [01:03:34] <mel00010> to a separate machine or disk
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640 [01:03:38] <internetpanda> ya I am going to do that now for sure
641 [01:03:39] <mel00010> that way
642 [01:03:44] <benoit_> an update maybe?
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644 [01:03:49] <mel00010> you can rule out sshd
645 [01:03:54] <Canucktux> I have a 2760QM installed on Debian9 T420
646 [01:03:55] <mel00010> as the culprit
647 [01:03:56] <internetpanda> I think it has to be an update or a script I ran
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649 [01:04:11] <benoit_> well
650 [01:04:14] <benoit_> just remember
651 [01:04:18] <benoit_> root login is bad practice
652 [01:04:22] <benoit_> password logins as well
653 [01:04:22] <Canucktux> it keeps saying >Xlib: extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0". when I try to do GL things
654 [01:04:31] <benoit_> to be safe, use public keys for yourself
655 [01:04:36] <benoit_> then su/sudo as needed
656 [01:04:50] <benoit_> minimum privileges unless absolutely needed
657 [01:04:56] <mel00010> Canucktux, do you have glx-alternative-mesa installed?
658 [01:05:00] <internetpanda> weird so looking at it
659 [01:05:10] <internetpanda> it seems that the server has lost loads of groups
660 [01:05:11] <mel00010> I agree with benoit on the password logins
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662 [01:05:19] <internetpanda> like my plex user no longer has sudo privs
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664 [01:05:21] <internetpanda> weird
665 [01:05:25] <mel00010> never use password logins for net facing services
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667 [01:05:31] <Canucktux> mel00010: yes
668 [01:05:39] <benoit_> yeah, kind of weird
669 [01:05:56] <Canucktux> it says it was installed automagically
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671 [01:06:04] <mel00010> Canucktux: IDK then
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673 [01:06:10] <Canucktux> welp
674 [01:06:12] <benoit_> ok, gotta sleep as well
675 [01:06:14] <mel00010> graphics drivers are witchcraft
676 [01:06:16] <mel00010> gn
677 [01:06:21] <Canucktux> nini benoit_
678 [01:06:33] <benoit_> good luck with your box internetpanda
679 [01:06:36] <Canucktux> mel00010: Might be a hardware issue then
680 [01:06:36] <benoit_> gn guys
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682 [01:06:41] <mel00010> i gtg as well
683 [01:06:45] <Canucktux> :o
684 [01:06:46] <mel00010> bye
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686 [01:06:57] <internetpanda> thanks benoit
687 [01:07:03] <internetpanda> i am gonna go crash as well
688 [01:07:06] <internetpanda> thanks guys peace
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824 [02:34:44] <MsLisa> trying to install libgnutls-openssl-dev. it's in libgnutls28-dev but if i install libgnutls28-dev it breaks other things.
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826 [02:34:57] <mike_> hi all
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829 [02:36:09] <Guest13464> i have installed debian 8 jessie on my new laptop, i installed nvidia-driver from backports, nouveau driver is well blacklisted in modprod.d but i have ablack screen when i boot up the machine or restart gdm service
830 [02:36:17] <Guest13464> any idea?
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841 [02:41:59] <pingfloyd> Guest13464: have you tried using nomodeset?
842 [02:42:13] <Guest13464> yes
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844 [02:42:39] <Guest13464> it is configured in /ec/default/grub and then grub-mkconfig -o /boot/.....
845 [02:42:57] <Guest13464> my graphic card is a Nvidia 940MX
846 [02:43:09] <Guest13464> it is supported by nvidia-driver from backport
847 [02:43:17] <pingfloyd> under GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT?
848 [02:43:27] <Guest13464> and i have no error in Xorg.0.log
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850 [02:43:43] <Guest13464> yes under grub_cmdline_linux_default
851 [02:44:39] <pingfloyd> you can check if in effect with cat /proc/cmdline
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855 [02:45:38] <Guest13464> should i see "nomodeset" in the output?
856 [02:45:42] <Guest13464> because i dont
857 [02:46:10] <Guest13464> i se BOOT_IMAGE=........ root=...... ro single
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861 [02:48:45] <Guest13464> ok i see it now
862 [02:48:49] <Guest13464> ut same results
863 [02:48:58] <Guest13464> just the resolution is lower
864 [02:49:03] <Guest13464> but still no X
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866 [02:50:26] <Guest13464> in Xorg.0.log i got a Warning (WW) saying: NVIDIA(0): unabe to get display device for DPI computation
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870 [02:52:10] <Guest13464> pingfloyd: any idea?
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874 [02:55:02] <Guest13464> in dmesg i have: vgaarb this pci device is not a vga device
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882 [03:04:10] <pingfloyd> no sure
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884 [03:04:43] <Guest13464> pingfloyd: i deinstall nvidiadriver
885 [03:04:51] <Guest13464> enable bacl nouveau
886 [03:04:57] <Guest13464> and i still got the same thing
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888 [03:05:11] <Guest13464> but in my xork log i have no device detected and no screen found
889 [03:05:19] <Guest13464> any idea?
890 [03:06:12] <Guest13464> pingfloyd:
891 [03:06:26] <Guest13464> so now i have X running but in very very low resolution
892 [03:06:34] <Guest13464> and i cannot change it
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959 [04:08:39] <Ubuntu-BR> There is some way to Disable Journaling file system in FSTAB file? or only by mount Read-Only and do "tune2fs -O ^has_journal /dev/sda1" ?
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963 [04:09:39] <Poster> you could mount it as ext2
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1126 [06:19:12] <KodingKitty_> hi
1127 [06:19:56] <KodingKitty_> any idea how arm packages are build ?
1128 [06:20:00] <KodingKitty_> are they cross compiled ?
1129 [06:20:26] <KodingKitty_> or they are just compiled on a arm build machine ?
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1132 [06:22:10] <somiaj> looks like sbuild might use qemu for this
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1134 [06:23:03] <KodingKitty> but I can't use the qemu since my processor is OMAP4 and not supported it in Qemu yet. Linaro have ported for OMAP3 board, but no luck for OMAP4.
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1136 [06:23:28] <KodingKitty> What to do in a situation like that ?
1137 [06:23:40] <KodingKitty> I can extract the buildroot anyway.
1138 [06:23:58] <KodingKitty> but how can I install libraries ?
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1140 [06:24:42] <KodingKitty> any idea how could I do that?
1141 [06:25:13] <somiaj> I'm not sure on the details, maybe this is a starting point replaced-url
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1143 [06:26:09] <somiaj> I also thought qemu was software emulation, so surprised it wont' work for some cpu. #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net might have more details on how the offical debian buildd envoiroment works for the other arches. But I belive qemu is what is used with chroots over cross compile
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1146 [06:29:29] <somiaj> replaced-url
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1148 [06:31:14] <somiaj> but I'm unsure on the details here, #debian-mentors may be better
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1157 [06:45:30] <Canucktux> yay I did it
1158 [06:45:41] <Canucktux> I ran Xorg :0 -configure
1159 [06:45:46] <awal1> #debian on oftc not available or what?
1160 [06:45:50] <Canucktux> and my intel gpu is happy now!
1161 [06:46:03] <Canucktux> I don't know why it didn't work before
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1165 [06:47:47] <awal1> users limit reached bla bla bla
1166 [06:47:57] <Zer0Day> is there possible way that the repositories in kali can be added in ubuntu?
1167 [06:48:32] <somiaj> only if you want to break your system. But this is #debian and we dont' support kali or ubuntu
1168 [06:49:03] <mandeep> awal1: the bot has gone awol i suppose
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1170 [06:50:12] <Canucktux> Zer0Day: just don't do it familam replaced-url
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1173 [06:51:21] <Zer0Day> somiaj: why u dont support kali and ubuntu? is it illegal in ur country right now?
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1175 [06:53:48] <Canucktux> Zer0Day: this is the official Debian channel, we gotta stay topical and whatnot
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1177 [06:54:29] <somiaj> !based on debian
1178 [06:54:29] <dpkg> Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare replaced-url
1179 [06:54:38] <somiaj> Zer0Day: combination of technical and social ressons.
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1181 [06:55:08] <Zer0Day> thanks guys...
1182 [06:55:24] <Zer0Day> but wait! is there a room for tor users?
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1184 [06:56:03] <somiaj> tor users? Tor isn't an operating system, if wantting support with tor you may want to use the appropriate support for your os
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1186 [06:56:17] <somiaj> though many software projects ahve their own support outside of any os
1187 [06:56:19] <Zer0Day> somiaj: Tor Browser i mean
1188 [06:57:45] <nkuttler> Zer0Day: #tor, on oftc
1189 [06:58:42] <Zer0Day> nkuttler: what is oftc means?
1190 [06:58:55] <Zer0Day> i know its a network but what does it mean
1191 [06:59:01] <nkuttler> Zer0Day: i'm sure you can figure that out on your own
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1193 [07:01:45] <Zer0Day> nkuttler: lots of online in the tor channel but no one is active
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1200 [07:13:08] <awal1> why the bots (debian oftc right now) are all the time setting user limit access?
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1211 [07:19:37] <pragomer_1> how can I register my irc-nick?
1212 [07:19:40] <pragomer_1> according to this
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1214 [07:19:47] <pragomer_1> replaced-url
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1216 [07:20:03] <pragomer_1> stands "NickServ" for my desired Nickname?
1217 [07:21:10] <jelly> awal1: it's supposed to be a join flood (bot) mitigation
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1219 [07:21:51] <awal1> jelly, ok
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1223 [07:24:01] <awal1> proomer_1, whith he username you want just run /msg NickServ REGISTER yourpassword youremaladress
1224 [07:24:11] <awal1> nothing complicated
1225 [07:24:33] <awal1> if you have troubles/wanna more info check #freenode
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1228 [07:25:30] <awal1> pragomer_1, ^
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1232 [07:28:53] <pragomer_1> so the username that will be registered is that one that I run at the moment??
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1236 [07:31:42] <awal1> pragomer_1, yeah
1237 [07:32:08] <awal1> but /nick NewNick should work if you want to choose another one to register
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1240 [07:33:43] <awal1> you can choose another nickname graphically using your irc client, hexchat can do it
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1242 [07:35:25] <pragomer_1> ups.. Im in hexchat.. so let me see :-)
1243 [07:35:55] <awal1> click in your username, left of text bar
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1249 [07:38:23] <pragomer> ok. great. I registered :-)
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1424 [09:31:51] <quitisomes> Hello good morning from Spain!!!
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1426 [09:32:06] <quitisomes> Does somebody got any idea about using UFTP service???
1427 [09:32:30] <quitisomes> Im running @raspberry and i got an error and cant find any info about this and my boss is gonna kill me t.t
1428 [09:33:03] <awal1> dpkg: raspberry
1429 [09:33:03] <dpkg> The Raspberry Pi is an open hardware design based on a Broadcom system-on-a-chip, requiring <non-free> <firmware>. Debian's <armel> port works fine, but does not use the Pi's hardware floating point unit. Debian's <armhf> port targets a newer revision of the ARM chip than is in the Pi, so armhf will not work on it. replaced-url
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1431 [09:33:14] <at0m> quitisomes: running raspbian? /join #raspbian
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1433 [09:33:54] <awal1> dpkg: raspbian
1434 [09:33:55] <dpkg> Raspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use #raspbian on irc.freenode.net for support. replaced-url
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1499 [10:19:21] <sonique> Hello, I want to ask pretty stupid and ease question (but I don't know answer yet). I have debian with i3wm tiling manager and I want to setup default file manager to XFE, because now for exmaple when I click open zip file in folder it opens audacios
1500 [10:19:51] <sonique> * and how to do it without external apps and new utils, just from terminal in default distro
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1558 [10:49:33] <astephanh> Hi. i occasionally need to rebuild deb packages (for example backports) and upload them into my own repo via reprepro. so far i used Virtualbox Images to have the correct environment. I'd like to track my changes in some way, like git or subversion. Maybe i could build some kind of build pipeline. is there any documentation to setup such an environment?
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1560 [10:49:55] <astephanh> maybe based on docker or some chroot scripts?
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1564 [10:50:33] <pcfreak30> what is wrong with this interfaces file? replaced-url
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1657 [11:27:41] <readytogo> I heard there is free shells giveaway in ##thunix, only for 30 days
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1684 [11:39:57] <celyr> readytogo, that's the worst spam I've ever heard of
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1686 [11:40:58] <celyr> !ops
1687 [11:40:58] <dpkg> Please invoke 'dpkg: ops $problem' to call the operators to deal with a specific problem. Misuse of this will lead to a ban. Operators can also be contacted in the #debian-ops channel.
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1689 [11:41:19] <celyr> dpkg: ops spam
1690 [11:41:19] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: celyr complains about: spam
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1699 [11:44:55] <ppisljar> good morning
1700 [11:47:03] <ppisljar> how can i make keyboard shortcut send another keyboard to a specific app/window ? for example skype has a mute button, and a shortcut CTRL+A to toggle it, however it will only work if its window is focused. i want to define a global keyboard shortcut which will send CTRL+A to skype (if its running)
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1707 [11:48:14] <p0g0__> ppisljar: there are gui "keyboard macro" tools that will switch contexts on a keystroke.
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1709 [11:48:38] <ppisljar> any you can recommend ?
1710 [11:50:54] <p0g0__> Not so much, you should search around... I've used a couple under Linux (my old fav is Borland's Superkey, which is about 30 years old and gone). If you've never used such a tool, they are both powerful and a bit hard to implement.
1711 [11:51:20] <ppisljar> thanks
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1756 [12:12:15] <colo-work> does anyone of you use systemd-nspawn to host persistent containers on Debian stretch, and can recommend docs to read up on doing that? (would like to replace LXC for a testing setup of ours, if possible)
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1782 [12:30:06] <readytogo> its not
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1822 [12:52:18] <Azrael_-> i want to run a specific command every time the system has finished starting up. where should i put it best?
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1827 [12:54:25] <blackflow> I wonder what's the point of having youtube-dl in debian repos. That thing breaks so fast and is fixed so fast, sometimes faster than it takes for the update to reach stable from sid. You're always better off installing from pip (in a virtualenv to avoid polluting /usr)
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1830 [12:54:52] <blackflow> s/stable/testing ... it never reaches stable
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1839 [12:59:36] <persiandrugs> >having youtube-dl in the first place
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1848 [13:04:53] <slack2> hi
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1850 [13:05:06] <slack2> my server dont boot, i give this error
1851 [13:05:08] <slack2> [ *** ] A start job is running for LSB: Raise network interfaces.
1852 [13:05:15] <blackflow> persiandrugs: what do you mean?
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1858 [13:11:00] <Brigo> slack2, did it boot now?
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1861 [13:12:06] <slack2> Brigo, no
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1863 [13:12:17] <slack2> never boot
1864 [13:12:28] <Brigo> slack2, still stuck with that error?
1865 [13:13:28] <Brigo> slack2, try this: replaced-url
1866 [13:13:29] <slack2> is a VPS in datacenter. Yesterday i have rebooted, and blocking in this step
1867 [13:13:47] <Brigo> slack2, or boot in rescue mode and check logs
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1869 [13:14:02] <slack2> i am in rescue mode now
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1871 [13:14:10] <slack2> what log i need to see?
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1875 [13:15:01] <jelly> blackflow: I don't like having two package managers, esp. anything language-specific like pip
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1879 [13:16:04] <jelly> so having packages available via the usual method is nice
1880 [13:16:08] <Brigo> slack2, dmesg, syslog.
1881 [13:16:21] <Brigo> slack2, or juse journalctl if available
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1890 [13:18:39] <slack2> Brigo, yesterday i have doing rm -rf /var/log/syslog /var/log/daemon.log
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1892 [13:19:02] <slack2> beacause the size amount 3GB
1893 [13:19:20] <slack2> can is the cause for dont boot?
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1900 [13:20:28] <coke> jelly: that allready didnt work well for CPAN ;)
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1907 [13:22:14] <jelly> at least there's dh-make-perl for those
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1911 [13:23:39] <coke> virtual env or pip install --user is what you are looking for if you cant accept non distribution files
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1918 [13:27:16] <jelly> coke: not "can't", "do not want to"
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1922 [13:29:06] <coke> poteto/potato
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1924 [13:30:25] <jelly> policy and ability are quite different things
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1926 [13:31:34] <coke> youtube-dl is the perfect example of something that should never be a distribution package
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1928 [13:31:58] <coke> just never going to be stable
1929 [13:32:42] <coke> and its also something that i dont need every version of because i dont use it very much
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1932 [13:33:09] <jelly> let's also throw clamav out of the distro
1933 [13:33:27] <blackflow> jelly: yeah but what's the point of having a package if it's constantly broken and unusable, that's what I'm asking. for example, I can't use it right now, and the fix is in version from yesterday. by the time this version comes to testing, or stable-backports, that version will be broken again.
1934 [13:33:30] <jelly> every user can build their own!
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1941 [13:37:10] <jelly> blackflow: that's what stable-updates is supposed to manage
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1943 [13:39:00] <coke> just put your time into the project and see how long you last
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1945 [13:39:42] <coke> 1st step: build and test a package for yourself
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1947 [13:40:21] <jelly> I've already done uupdate and buildpackage of that particular piece of software a couple times
1948 [13:40:53] <coke> good
1949 [13:40:57] <coke> keep doing it forever
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1951 [13:41:41] <jelly> as soon as someone reports breakage, sure
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1955 [13:44:52] <blackflow> jelly: yes, but, again, by the time it reaches updates, it's borken and a newer version sits upstream.
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1958 [13:46:58] <jelly> blackflow: that's not how -updates work
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1960 [13:47:08] <jelly> it's just a direct upload AFAIUI
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1962 [13:47:21] <jelly> !stable-updates
1963 [13:47:21] <dpkg> jessie-updates is a suite providing updates to some packages (from <proposed-updates>) prior to a <point release>. All packages from jessie-updates will be included in point releases. replaced-url
1964 [13:47:34] <jelly> !volatile
1965 [13:47:34] <dpkg> Debian Volatile was a project aiming at keeping Debian releases up-to-date for fast moving packages such as virus scanners, spam scanners and firmware downloaders. It was replaced by the <stable-updates> suite as of Debian 6.0 "Squeeze". replaced-url
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1969 [13:48:23] <vehicle> npm is gone from stretch
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1971 [13:48:51] <vehicle> repository is deb replaced-url
1972 [13:49:04] <vehicle> apr search npm gives nothing usefull
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1974 [13:50:35] <blackflow> jelly: it seems there even isn't youtube-dl in jessie-updates ? or am I looking wrong: replaced-url
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1978 [13:51:20] <blackflow> oh there's -updates and there's /updates and can this be any more confusing? :)
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1980 [13:51:26] <blackflow> wth
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1984 [13:53:32] <blackflow> okay, so how can I browse the stable-updates packages and see what's in there? I can't seem to find a link from PTS
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1986 [13:54:06] <askz> Hi there, is there any chance to make the internal-sftp work with a ForceCommand directive in sshd_config ?
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1988 [13:54:40] <askz> the ForceCommand is a docker run -it ubuntu bash (I simplified the command), but its almost this
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1995 [13:57:59] <Brigo> slack2_, no, it ca't be the problem
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2005 [14:01:50] <ksk> askz: I dont think so, you probably need two different users for that.
2006 [14:02:02] <slack2_> Brigo, do you know how i can solve this?
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2011 [14:02:37] <Brigo> slack2_, i don't know where the problem is, you need to check the logs for that
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2014 [14:03:28] <spaceone> i always need to do "dpkg-source --commit" when i change a package before building with dpkg-buildpackage. can i somehow deactivate this? because i want to debug some things more fast
2015 [14:03:43] <askz> ksk: sadly, I thought about that... I don't know so much about the mechanism here, but is there any chance I can't substitude my ForceCommand with a script, and detect if it's sftp or shell being asked
2016 [14:03:45] <askz> ?
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2018 [14:03:54] <askz> I can*
2019 [14:04:07] <jelly> blackflow: there isn't, but that would be the right place to put fast moving packages
2020 [14:04:35] <ksk> askz: you can always hook into that, using a pam script (afaik). but that is pretty advanced stuff ;)
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2023 [14:05:00] <ksk> I did something similar, added a hook to pam_mount; I would think there are other entrypoints in pam.
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2027 [14:06:44] <blackflow> jelly: I see, so your response was theoretical and unrelated to youtube-dl, so my question stands. Why is it a package if it's constantly broken :) I ask because roundcube was expelled from Jessie because it had a secvuln when they decided to freeze, which was fixed shortly later but that didn't put it back into jessie. Just trying to understand the policy.
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2029 [14:07:42] <askz> ksk: thanks for the hint :)
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2032 [14:08:09] <blackflow> seems arbitrary, some packages are present but perma-broken, some are expelled because they had a vuln at that moment, and some remain vulnerable for months.
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2037 [14:10:04] <jelly> blackflow: coke is right in this regard -- someone had to do the work
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2040 [14:10:26] <jelly> if there's none, best not keep vulnerable crap in the distro
2041 [14:10:44] <vehicle> about npm, npm is gone!
2042 [14:10:56] <vehicle> how to install npm in debian?
2043 [14:11:11] <jelly> ,v npm
2044 [14:11:12] <judd> Package: npm on amd64 -- sid: 1.4.21+ds-2; jessie: 1.4.21+ds-2
2045 [14:11:27] <jelly> vehicle: gone from where?
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2047 [14:11:48] <jelly> dpkg, why is npm not in testing
2048 [14:11:48] <dpkg> npm is not in testing for the reasons listed in replaced-url
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2050 [14:11:53] <vehicle> stretch
2051 [14:12:10] <vehicle> it was, but i updated repos cache
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2082 [14:27:37] <askz> ksk: In fact I thought also about a write protected .bashrc that would execute the docker run if a shell is spawned
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2113 [14:44:08] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
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2130 [14:52:11] <vehicle> hey
2131 [14:52:23] <vehicle> do you know where npm gone?
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2134 [14:54:21] <tw> vehicle: jelly told you what happened; maintainer recommended it be dropped for being old and busted (though suggested he'd like it to appear in backports maybe)
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2137 [14:55:41] <vehicle> oh sorry, didnt notice in these quit/join garbage
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2142 [14:56:27] <dka> Hi
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2144 [14:56:39] <dka> I need advice for configuring the swap memory for a host that will run docker container :)
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2146 [14:57:08] <vehicle> so npm dropped :(
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2157 [15:03:16] <tw> dka: docker doesn't change your swap requirements as it is paravirtualization; configure your swap to your memory requirements.
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2160 [15:05:18] <blackflow> docker paravirt? eh?
2161 [15:05:45] <dka> tw I am starting with system administration. I have configured a host so it install a docker container with mesos/marathon/consul/haproxy and join my network. I haven't configured much and I now run in swap issue
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2163 [15:06:03] <dka> I am running some workload and I am always at 921/1024 MB swap used
2164 [15:06:08] <blackflow> it's just a delivery mechanism that exploits cgroups and namespaces to create isolated "os level virtualized" environments. zero thing to do with hardware or paravirtualization
2165 [15:06:10] <petn-randall> It's more containerization, is it not? IIRC root in a container gives you root on the "host" system.
2166 [15:06:17] <dka> The only limitation I put on each container is RAM and CPU through mesos
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2172 [15:07:56] <tw> yes, I used the word, there's no kernel separation at all, so not PV.
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2175 [15:09:46] <tw> *wrong word
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2178 [15:11:03] <tw> dka: you can make additional swap files as needed until you find a mix that works with your workload. replaced-url
2179 [15:13:37] <dka> tw, I rather find a long term solution for my host
2180 [15:13:41] <dka> I was using 1GB of swap
2181 [15:13:45] <dka> for 32GB of ram
2182 [15:13:56] <dka> I am thinking of using 50GB of swap
2183 [15:13:58] <petn-randall> dka: Which is fine, I guess.
2184 [15:14:11] <petn-randall> dka: Do you even have that much memory you want to swap out?
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2187 [15:14:31] <dka> On this documentation replaced-url
2188 [15:14:40] <dka> in my case would be 32*1.5 = 48GB
2189 [15:14:53] <tw> dka: I was presenting a progressive solution. Once you discover what your workload uses, you can reallocate your partitions such that your swap partition is the correct size for your workload.
2190 [15:15:08] <dka> petn-randall, services can have workload, for example, it can be a jenkins/gitlab/mailserver/ldap/nodejsapp/.... container,
2191 [15:15:30] <dka> Ok
2192 [15:15:32] <petn-randall> I think that really only applied to desktops 10 years ago. RAM size in x86 machines got a *lot* larger, but I/O on the platters hardly increased in speed.
2193 [15:15:45] <jelly> dka: that's VERY outdated. Use as little swap as you actually need.
2194 [15:16:04] <dka> So I have only 1 host available I can reinstall. I will increase the swap size and move each application one by one and see how it react. But I am not sure how I can monitor the evolution and imprive the performance
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2196 [15:16:22] <jelly> Unless your workload is very particular or very leaky, you won't need more than 2GB in any case
2197 [15:16:23] <tw> dka: If you have dynamic workloads that you can't predetermine, you should tune your container allocation to reduce usage on that node until you're under the resource limits there.
2198 [15:16:31] <petn-randall> If you're swapping out GBs of RAM onto platter, your system will take a huge performance hit to the point you don't even know if it's still running.
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2200 [15:17:10] <jelly> 1GB is a good value as well.
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2202 [15:17:25] <dka> petn-randall, fair enough. So I will just put 2GB of swap. I though mesos was taking care of docker containers limitation and I am pretty sure it does
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2205 [15:18:30] <jelly> dka: if your apps don't actually use that much memory, and it's just the kernel's aggressive cache use that puts things to swap, you can stop that by setting vm.swappiness sysctl to 1
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2207 [15:18:44] <dka> so why do you have such a swap usage ? replaced-url
2208 [15:19:02] <tw> jelly: I usually use somewhere between 10-30 GB on medium sized systems here due to tmpfs. There's a lot of little things that play into your vmm situation.
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2211 [15:19:36] <dka> tw 10-30GB of swap ?
2212 [15:19:53] <tw> dka: It depends on your workload. You need to figure out what you need and allocate enough.
2213 [15:19:59] <tw> What's good for me may not be right for you.
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2216 [15:20:25] <jelly> tw: that may or may not be sane, depending on whether your tmpfs are used as shared memory backend or as an actual filesystem
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2218 [15:20:42] <dka> tw i agree and I will take my disposition but 10-30GB is by far higher than 2GB
2219 [15:21:31] <jelly> tw: I guess it may make sense if you're doing something that generates huge amounts of disposable files, like constant rebuilds of software in a CI setup
2220 [15:21:35] <tw> jelly: it's probably not; lots of big temporaries get allocated and destroyed very quickly, but it's not something that is going to change any time soon.
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2222 [15:21:59] <jelly> tw: they can get allocated and destroyed quickly even on a normal fs
2223 [15:22:43] <jelly> kernel puts things into vfs first anyway, and if a file gets deleted soon, writes to backend are cancelled
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2230 [15:24:06] <tw> While that's true, you're still going to get it trying to push things to backing storage and these files don't have ACID requirements.
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2232 [15:24:50] <tw> Regardless, this config is weird and I generally agree that you should avoid swap as much as possible.
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2236 [15:25:49] <jelly> dka: several possible reasons: one is default value of vm.swappiness (= 60); another, maybe some process in the past generated memory pressure, and what you see is fallout from that
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2238 [15:26:36] <jelly> tw: writing to and from ext4 is still managed a lot better than writing and reading to swap
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2242 [15:28:12] <jelly> dka: and then there's NUMA issues when you have more than one CPU socket, that can cause a system to start swapping out when _half_ the memory is filled up
2243 [15:28:18] <tw> jelly: it hasn't been in my experience. We moved to this config because linux was forcing disk sync after close() or if some 3rd party process wanted O_SYNC.
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2247 [15:29:02] <jelly> tw: right, the point being you know _exactly_ why you have this
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2249 [15:29:45] <jelly> probably saner than wrapping production processes in eatmydata
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2251 [15:29:51] <jelly> ,i eatmydata
2252 [15:29:52] <judd> Package eatmydata (utils, optional) in jessie/amd64: Library and utilities designed to disable fsync and friends. Version: 82-6; Size: 11.9k; Installed: 49k; Homepage: replaced-url
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2264 [15:38:15] <Fuj1M4s> NickServ identify Fuj1m4s !Histranho!@#
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2267 [15:38:24] <tw> jelly: and I take your point; I can't say a solution I use for a specific purpose is correct for sizing others. Generally though, I've found that it's easiest to hotfix the problem first by allocating more, and subsequently tune the system to reduce those kinds of problems.
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2277 [15:41:36] <BluesKaj> Fuj1M4s,use the server textbox for your nickserv ID
2278 [15:42:13] <BluesKaj> you might wnat to change your password now
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2282 [15:43:13] <dka> jelly, Can i know more about NUMA?
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2284 [15:43:48] <Fuj1M4s> yeah..
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2288 [15:45:25] <dka> cat /proc/sys/vm/swappiness
2289 [15:45:25] <dka> 60
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2296 [15:47:19] <theYellowRacer> ok, to write files to a usb, I have to have root?
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2302 [15:49:59] <dontknow> theYellowRacer, if you can't write to the usb, you need to change its permission
2303 [15:50:12] <theYellowRacer> is that an fstab thing dontknow
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2305 [15:50:39] <dontknow> theYellowRacer, no. what file system is usb drive?
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2307 [15:50:46] <theYellowRacer> fat32
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2309 [15:51:04] <dontknow> ok sorry i don2t know then
2310 [15:51:19] <GhostMessiah> yello
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2312 [15:51:28] <theYellowRacer> thanks for your help
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2317 [15:53:32] <dka> I have tried to reduce the vm.swapppiness = 10, then I did a swapoff -a and then swapon -a as root . During this operation, the swap got cleared and restarted. I still have a hudge amount of swap use and now my CPU or using almost all their resources
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2323 [15:54:32] <dka> I believe sysctl vm.swappiness=10 didn't change anything. jelly any idea why ?
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2325 [15:54:53] <dontknow> theYellowRacer, check this out replaced-url
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2328 [15:55:24] <dka> according to replaced-url
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2332 [15:56:32] <tw> dka: check `free -m`, you might actually be using all of it.
2333 [15:57:20] <dka> dka. it says Mem: total 31G, used 21G, free 10G, shared 120M, buffers 563M, cached 11G
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2342 [16:00:38] <dka> tw what should I do
2343 [16:00:53] <dka> i need an advice to take the right decision I can't leave it like this
2344 [16:01:37] <sypher> dka: How much swap is being used?
2345 [16:02:04] <dka> right now 481/1024MB
2346 [16:02:19] <sypher> dka: And what is this affecting?
2347 [16:02:45] <dka> in what way ?
2348 [16:03:03] <dka> (what<->this)
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2350 [16:03:17] <sypher> dka: What problem are you trying to solve by modifying the swappiness value?
2351 [16:04:09] <dka> I had my IaaS swap indicator in red. I had some container crashing and restarting due to swap limit. I was 921/1024MB. I have the feeling that changing vm.swapinness from 60 to 10 reduce the consumption to half
2352 [16:04:33] <dka> but I am not sure. I wan't to be able to run containers without swap issue. I am running some services likes jenkins/gitlab
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2354 [16:04:48] <sypher> dka: How much disk do you have available?
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2356 [16:04:50] <dka> I have 32GB and 8CORE. i don't wan't to have any kind of limitation on how I should split this on each host (for now).
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2358 [16:05:07] <dka> I have 1.8TB of disk space
2359 [16:05:14] <SuperSeriousCat> free -h to get sensible numbers :P
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2361 [16:05:31] <sypher> dka: Then it would seem to me that the easiest solution would be to simply allocate more swap space.
2362 [16:06:12] <dka> Ok. but what value ? apparently putting 32GB is stupid, the disk will be use for swapping different program and will slow down everything
2363 [16:06:21] <dka> I am considering increasing it to 4GB
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2365 [16:06:37] <sypher> dka: Even 4GB is less than is generally recommended for a system with that much RAM.
2366 [16:06:41] <petn-randall> dka: I doubt the problem you're seeing has much to do with swap.
2367 [16:06:42] <dka> but will this be too much or opposite high enough
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2369 [16:07:10] <dka> petn-randall, can you please share your opinion ?
2370 [16:07:16] * dka :)
2371 [16:07:29] <BluesKaj> most systems with more than 8GB Ram will seldom if ever need a swap
2372 [16:07:30] <petn-randall> dka: I thought we already discussed this half an hour ago?
2373 [16:07:46] <petn-randall> BluesKaj: That doesn't hold IMHO. Especially for servers.
2374 [16:08:12] <qman__> I generally run swapless unless I have a specific reason for it
2375 [16:08:17] <SuperSeriousCat> sysctl swap set gets reset after a reboot. Just a FYI
2376 [16:08:19] <dka> petn-randall, I didn't really get the details
2377 [16:08:49] <petn-randall> dka: If you're hitting OOM conditions you need more RAM. Adding swap won't fix the issue since you can't swap out running applications/containers without a *huge* performance impact. And by huge I mean a factor of 10,000x slower.
2378 [16:08:50] <dka> You told me 32GB is high enough, some other tell me it's too high
2379 [16:08:53] <BluesKaj> petn-randall, how many ordinary users have servers
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2382 [16:09:14] <petn-randall> BluesKaj: Read the backlog, this user does.
2383 [16:09:21] <dka> petn-randall, Ok. I agree. but what would you recommend me as a solution?
2384 [16:09:22] * sypher has several.
2385 [16:09:36] <petn-randall> dka: Get more RAM? Or run less containers.
2386 [16:09:39] * SuperSeriousCat is an ordinary user and got a server
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2388 [16:09:45] <dka> 32GB of ram is not enough ?
2389 [16:09:57] <sypher> dka: You have free memory, but you're hitting swap limit, right?
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2391 [16:10:02] <petn-randall> dka: If you're hitting OOM conditions (you said that earlier), then yes.
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2396 [16:10:31] <BluesKaj> SuperSeriousCat, then you're not an ordinary user :-)
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2398 [16:10:45] <dka> sypher I have memory free and I am hitting swap limit right
2399 [16:10:50] <sypher> The No True Scotsman fallacy if ever I've heard.
2400 [16:10:53] <dka> petemc, define OOM ?
2401 [16:11:01] <petn-randall> !oom
2402 [16:11:02] <dpkg> what a woc says. Out Of Memory, or replaced-url
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2406 [16:12:06] <dka> <3 the definition
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2409 [16:13:06] <dka> petn-randall, how do you explain that I am using only 10GB out of 32GB of ram and I am at 50% of my swap ?
2410 [16:13:16] <petn-randall> dka: You said "I had some container crashing and restarting due to swap limit." Which error messages made you come to this assumption?
2411 [16:13:25] <dka> I think this is only because of the small amount of space, not the memory left, if I may ask again I am not clear on that part
2412 [16:13:49] <dka> petn-randall, my IaaS provider help me do the diagnostic . it's an ovh technician
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2415 [16:14:00] * sypher hears OVH and runs far, far away.
2416 [16:14:10] <dka> :S
2417 [16:14:23] <SuperSeriousCat> Set a swappiness of 5% in the file(no command unless you echo change it) and reboot
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2419 [16:14:39] <SuperSeriousCat> Bet a beer it will stay low
2420 [16:15:05] <jelly> it's not really a percentage.
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2422 [16:15:25] <jelly> !swappiness
2423 [16:15:25] <dpkg> A number of Linux kernel developers debated "swappiness" - exploring when an application should or should not be swapped out, versus reclaiming memory from the cache. replaced-url
2424 [16:15:30] <petn-randall> dka: Unused processes may be swapped out, then the kernel will use the free memory as cache. Running containers do not fall in this category, though.
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2426 [16:15:46] <jelly> hum, that's not what I expected
2427 [16:15:57] <ksk> imho you dont need to tune the swappniness in like >=99% of usecases.
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2430 [16:16:12] <ksk> its actually not bad to have pages swapped out..
2431 [16:16:28] <petn-randall> dka: In 99% of the use cases fiddling around with swap and the various kernel parameters causes more harm than good. So I think it's in order to show the actual data for us to evaluate the situation.
2432 [16:16:33] <petn-randall> ksk: indeed :)
2433 [16:16:41] <ksk> :)
2434 [16:16:52] <sypher> Anecdotally, I don't think I've EVER seen a case where modifying the swappiness value actually helped anything.
2435 [16:16:53] <petn-randall> Even had the same percentage, haha :)
2436 [16:17:01] <blackflow> if anything ,set it higher. higher swappiness will move out unused pages quicker. lower swappiness might seem better I/O wise, but in case of increased memory pressure, it's gonna storm so hard and abruptly. you almost always want it to ease in and out instead of storm.
2437 [16:17:08] <johnkeates> swappiness==happiness
2438 [16:17:15] <jelly> petn-randall: they did show a top screenshot showing 24GB completely free (not even cache/buffers)
2439 [16:17:16] <johnkeates> dont ruin it or you'll have a bad day...
2440 [16:17:16] <blackflow> sypher: you obvs. don't run gitlab :)
2441 [16:17:20] <johnkeates> I run gitlab
2442 [16:17:35] <sypher> blackflow: Correct. Not a workload I have experience with.
2443 [16:18:04] <dka> I have just restarted my host with "vm.swapiness = 5", I will see how it will come back.
2444 [16:18:11] <blackflow> johnkeates: nice. so that thing eats up to 2GB of RAM and then plateaus there. with higer swappiness I've manged to keep it away from 2 GB, and reboot "only" weekly.
2445 [16:18:15] <dka> I still need to decide if I reinstall the system with more than 1GB of swap size
2446 [16:18:28] <blackflow> johnkeates: then I upgraded the server to 4GB RAM and found out there's a plateau.
2447 [16:18:44] <petn-randall> dka: Use LVM, then you don't have to care about reinstalling. If you need more swap, you just add more to the partition.
2448 [16:18:46] <blackflow> thing is, the docs say 1GB is okay if you have only a few users (and I do). pure lies :)
2449 [16:19:02] <johnkeates> i don't seem to have that specific issue with gitlab
2450 [16:19:17] <johnkeates> I run it at 8GB and it's somewhere between 5 and 7 gb depending on usage
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2452 [16:19:31] <blackflow> johnkeates: yeah because it wants to reach 2GB and staay there
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2454 [16:19:42] <blackflow> if you have 8GB, you probably don't see it
2455 [16:19:43] <johnkeates> last reboot was 17 days ago for a kernel update
2456 [16:19:58] <blackflow> I put it on a 2GB server for just the three users I have
2457 [16:20:27] <blackflow> turns out it really needs 2GB not total RAM, but RAM for itself, so you need moar than 2 if you want to run it even with single user.
2458 [16:20:36] <johnkeates> that is correct
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2460 [16:20:44] <johnkeates> it is intended to service at least 10 concurrent users
2461 [16:20:52] <johnkeates> anything below that is somewhat out-of-spec
2462 [16:20:57] <blackflow> but anyway. swappiness has helped page out unused stuff so it wouldn't reach 2GB
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2464 [16:21:13] <johnkeates> you can also tweak it in gitlab.rb
2465 [16:21:16] <blackflow> I keep it at 80 on all my servers.
2466 [16:21:18] <jelly> dka: does everything work?
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2471 [16:22:19] <blackflow> johnkeates: the question is, why does gitlab want to reserve 2GB of RAM if most of it is unused pages that can be safely swapped out.
2472 [16:22:30] <dka> jelly, I am waiting for all the services to get back so I can tell
2473 [16:22:44] <johnkeates> because of fast access and caches
2474 [16:23:01] <johnkeates> in the code (and in ruby) a lot of memory is mapped/allocated without being used
2475 [16:23:07] <dka> it's mesos, so the slave got disconnected and all the services are starting again by them self. Very impressive to see that.
2476 [16:23:10] <dka> :D
2477 [16:23:14] <johnkeates> so that when a request comes in, it can directly use it, save a few ms
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2481 [16:23:28] <blackflow> johnkeates: the part I don't understand is why does it do "manually" instead of leaving to OS caches? like postgres does (and quite successfully)
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2483 [16:23:41] <johnkeates> because it's a managed language
2484 [16:23:50] <blackflow> so ruby's doing that?
2485 [16:23:55] <johnkeates> yeah, mostly
2486 [16:23:57] <blackflow> I see
2487 [16:24:00] <johnkeates> it's not that special really :)
2488 [16:24:07] <johnkeates> Java does it, C# does it etc
2489 [16:24:15] <blackflow> well now that I found there's a 2GB plateau, no it's not, I just upgraded the VM to 4GB :)
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2492 [16:24:54] <johnkeates> it also tries to allocate what it thinks it's gonna need + some more
2493 [16:25:02] <johnkeates> and then that keeps growing
2494 [16:25:05] <blackflow> johnkeates: yeah but I guess you didn't understand what I was asking. which was why would gitlab allocate that memory manually instead of relying on OS to mmap
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2496 [16:25:21] <dka> So far I have 0/1021 MB of swap used
2497 [16:25:23] <dka> :D
2498 [16:25:28] <dka> but not everything up
2499 [16:25:31] <blackflow> python does that too, if you explicitly reserve space through it, it won't release it back to the OS, but it'll reuse "internally"
2500 [16:26:08] <blackflow> so the question is, why reserve anything for caches, just leave the OS do it
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2502 [16:26:47] <dka> can I leave it like this ?
2503 [16:26:58] <dka> is my issue solved ?
2504 [16:27:02] <dka> I can't believe it's only this
2505 [16:27:09] <dka> i canceled my weekend for this
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2507 [16:28:04] <blackflow> dka: until it happens again. the key is to find out what caused the swapstorm. reducing swappiness is NEVER a solution to impending memory pressure situation.
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2514 [16:29:52] <dka> I had my swap that jumped to 921MB for 30 sec and got back to 0 :/
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2532 [16:35:23] <petn-randall> dka: Do you see any OOM logs anywhere, though?
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2535 [16:37:08] <dka> petn-randall, not really. I just saw the consequence, I have tried when it happened to check the /var/log/syslog but I didn't found anything. The only thing I was seeing is my container refusing to start and my host getting crazy, lost networking, etc.. I had to reboot it from the IaaS website and then I checked the log without seing anything. I thought it was all docker
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2537 [16:38:08] <petn-randall> dka: Increased swap usage is *not* the consequence of a OOM. And you still haven't showed any of those logs.
2538 [16:38:20] <petn-randall> dka: Please share them to replaced-url
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2540 [16:39:34] <petn-randall> I'm guessing the issues you saw are unrelated to memory usage/swap, especially when the there was 24 GB of RAM unused.
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2566 [16:56:07] <dka> petn-randall, I haven't found any log as I said.
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2578 [17:02:11] <dresi> exit
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2580 [17:02:22] <dresi> ups :D
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2584 [17:03:58] <petn-randall> dka: Then, quite frankly, we're wasting our time on hypotheticals. How did you come to the conclusion in the first place without any logs?
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2586 [17:04:40] <dka> it's the monitoring of ovh that showed red indicator for the swap use
2587 [17:04:45] <dka> then they redirect me to the htop command
2588 [17:05:03] <dka> I just saw what they told me about the swap, , 95% of constant usage
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2590 [17:05:07] <dka> then I came here to ask questions
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2597 [17:06:32] <saalaa> I still don't understand why swap is considered good defaults on modern systems
2598 [17:06:43] <saalaa> especially when the kernel handles swap as it does nowadays
2599 [17:06:46] <johnkeates> it's because of legacy expectations
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2601 [17:07:00] <johnkeates> break with legacy = make people sad
2602 [17:07:01] <saalaa> yes and no
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2604 [17:07:07] <johnkeates> so they pay with efficiency instead
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2606 [17:07:14] <saalaa> swap meant processes wouldn't go down
2607 [17:07:22] <saalaa> you could maintain some level of service
2608 [17:07:49] <saalaa> on today's kernel, your system is so busy when it's swapping that it's almost impossible to do anything useful
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2610 [17:09:24] <saalaa> anways, as far as I'm concerned, I disable swap entirely on my systems
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2614 [17:09:53] <johnkeates> I don't
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2619 [17:11:26] <bu5hm4n> hello! i have found out that 'system-login' is not available on a debian system, what is the equivalent ?
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2631 [17:17:37] <ksk> bu5hm4n: what is a system-login?
2632 [17:18:09] <bu5hm4n> ksk, sorry - i should have written that. A pam file that can be imported
2633 [17:18:27] <bu5hm4n> its available on fedora and arch and i dont find it on debian
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2635 [17:19:12] <ksk> could you link a fedora project page? I dont really get what that would do, and Im not able to google it.
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2638 [17:19:51] <ksk> replaced-url
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2642 [17:20:15] <bu5hm4n> its a pam file - you can include it so your pam file does the same on session / auth as the rest of the system :)
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2660 [17:28:08] <rfleming> Greetings!
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2662 [17:28:40] <rfleming> How do I go about changing the mount options for gvfsd-fuse located in /var/run/user/$UID/gvfs?
2663 [17:28:47] <rfleming> I would like to add the option allow_root
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2682 [17:41:46] <yuriescl> Where do I ask for someone to package a program and upload it to the Debian Archive for me?
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2691 [17:44:45] <dondelelcaro> yuriescl: you can file a RFP (request for packaging) using reportbug
2692 [17:45:08] <yuriescl> dondelelcaro: thanks
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2694 [17:45:22] <dondelelcaro> yuriescl: though often, the best way to have something packaged is to package it yourself, and ask for a mentor to upload it to the archive for you
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2696 [17:45:31] <dondelelcaro> (and then you can maintain it yourself, too)
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2740 [18:03:06] <NoCode> Get this. This framework I installed, it allows you to put raw SVG data in the layout. So I downloaded a SVG debian badge to put on it. "cat image.svg" brings up the SVG data/ metadata in the file. Was made in Adobe Illustrator. :D </stops being a weirdo>
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2746 [18:05:32] <dondelelcaro> NoCode: yeah, those probably should get stripped out
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2748 [18:05:50] <dondelelcaro> replaced-url
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2761 [18:10:56] <GhostMessiah> jaj
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2789 [18:25:50] <GhostMessiah> entelum para
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2792 [18:26:20] <Violinist> when is stretch coming out
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2794 [18:27:24] <sypher> !wwsr
2795 [18:27:24] <dpkg> Well... it's starting to get distinctly chilly... Debian 9 "Stretch" will probably release in mid-2017. It will release sooner if you help fix bugs in stretch and sid... take that as a challenge. Ask me about <stretch freeze>, <how-can-i-help> replaced-url
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2803 [18:29:23] <Violinist> yeah dont rush it
2804 [18:29:42] <Violinist> im still using wheezy lel
2805 [18:29:54] <GhostMessiah> same here
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2807 [18:29:59] <Violinist> and prety stoked
2808 [18:30:17] <Violinist> o/ GhostMessiah
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2818 [18:37:46] <sasukeskapa> Hello, I have a problem with cifs / samba connections. After 10-30 minutes of idle time they disconnect and spam my NAS with most likely connection messages. If I run an ls on them, the whole computer hangs for a few seconds and the problem goes away. (I can't find error messages anywhere about it either.)
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2820 [18:38:24] <sasukeskapa> If I'm asking at the wrong place, I'm sorry.
2821 [18:38:44] <nkuttler> sasukeskapa: disks spinning down?
2822 [18:38:45] <Violinist> any1 here can help w docker
2823 [18:38:52] <nkuttler> !anyone
2824 [18:38:53] <dpkg> Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
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2826 [18:39:16] <Violinist> dpkg where are your manners
2827 [18:39:18] <dpkg> Violinist: what are you talking about?
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2829 [18:39:33] <Violinist> and/or brain
2830 [18:39:35] <mtn> heh
2831 [18:39:51] <mtn> Violinist: good way to not get helped
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2834 [18:41:09] <sasukeskapa> The disk are running constantly and are in a different machine. (It's a FreeNAS box I'm connecting to, from a Debian machine and the Debian Machine hangs.)
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2837 [18:42:56] <sasukeskapa> nkuttler: The disk are running constantly and are in a different machine. (It's a FreeNAS box I'm connecting to, from a Debian machine and the Debian Machine hangs.)
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2847 [18:47:03] <nkuttler> sasukeskapa: well, what you describe sounds like what would happen when a disk in the nas spins down
2848 [18:47:20] <nkuttler> if it's not that i'm out of ideas
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2852 [18:48:26] <sasukeskapa> I'm connected to the same server from my desktop too and it works fine from there.
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2854 [18:48:58] <sasukeskapa> (I have Ubuntu 16.04 on it.)
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2857 [18:50:00] <Andocromn> I am trying to disable a systemd service, however it continues to run. when i run systemctl is-enabled the output says "static"
2858 [18:50:05] <nkuttler> sasukeskapa: then it's probably time to turn up log levels on clients + server
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2864 [18:51:20] <sasukeskapa> I tried that, but it didn't allow me even if I was root.
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2869 [18:54:16] <sasukeskapa> I tried again and it let me this time. I must have messed up something last time.
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2872 [18:55:22] <sasukeskapa> nkuttler: I'll try debugging it once it shows up again. Thank's for the help.
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2874 [18:55:53] <Violinist> umm here is a simple one
2875 [18:56:07] <Violinist> where would i place cron files that are flat
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2877 [18:56:42] <Violinist> like a preset to then do cat file | cron -
2878 [18:57:14] <jhutchins_wk> sasukeskapa: Be aware that verbose logging places a heavy load on a samba server, be sure to turn it back off when you're done troubleshooting.
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2880 [18:57:32] <Violinist> oh no samba lol
2881 [18:57:35] <Violinist> so slow
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2883 [18:57:53] <jhutchins_wk> Violinist: Not if you know what you're doing.
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2887 [18:58:31] <jhutchins_wk> Violinist: You may want to read the man pages for cron and crontab, I'm not sure you understand how they work.
2888 [18:58:42] <sasukeskapa> jhutchins_wk: ok, i'll keep that in mind, thank's.
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2890 [18:59:18] <readytogo> my top just showed this:
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2892 [18:59:21] <readytogo> load average: 282.96, 108.99, 42.42
2893 [18:59:24] <Violinist> ok well where is the crontab file live?
2894 [18:59:26] <readytogo> how can it be ?
2895 [18:59:42] <readytogo> I mean 282, anyone ever saw something like that ?
2896 [19:00:24] <JPT> readytogo: The load average is basically the number of processes in the run queue. So you might have a lot of processes running, doing something.
2897 [19:00:37] <JPT> readytogo: Maybe someone is playing with a fork bomb in a limited environment.
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2900 [19:01:52] <readytogo> I run "tail /dev/zero"
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2902 [19:02:02] <readytogo> is it because of memory swapping ?
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2904 [19:02:42] <readytogo> its 3.16.36 kernel
2905 [19:02:49] <JPT> readytogo: tail /dev/zero should be just one process, not 280 or so :D
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2912 [19:04:14] <readytogo> its Debian GNU/Linux 8
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2916 [19:06:31] <JPT> god damn it
2917 [19:06:35] <JPT> DO NOT RUN tail /dev/zero
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2919 [19:06:53] <JPT> Had to reboot due to the swapping rendering my system unusable
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2921 [19:07:35] <JPT> readytogo: Why would you even run that command?
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2932 [19:10:01] <Violinist> dont just run random comands
2933 [19:10:12] <Violinist> u can set off nuclear blast
2934 [19:12:01] <JPT> I was sure that this one could not do any harm. I was almost right.
2935 [19:12:07] <JPT> I just had to reboot.
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2939 [19:13:04] <JPT> Apparently, i don't like to think when curious about stuff. Lesson learned once again.
2940 [19:13:31] <Violinist> no thats the right approach
2941 [19:13:42] <Violinist> thinking doesnt teach you anything
2942 [19:14:58] <JPT> Well, at least i had some sorts of expectations. I just didn't expect tail to eat my whole RAM.
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2948 [19:16:36] <jelly> JPT: if you give your system a lower amount of swap, say, not more than 1-2GB total, it gets filled in quickly in situations like these and kernel's OOM killer is triggered faster
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2952 [19:17:29] <jelly> what would make more sense is memory limits on processes started from interactive user sessions
2953 [19:17:35] <JPT> Well, when i replaced my old drive, i allocated 16G of swap.
2954 [19:18:44] <jelly> wasn't the greatest move, that
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2956 [19:18:48] <JPT> So ... systemd is not taking care of limiting memory by default, but it enforces a process limit on user slices to avoid fork bombs taking the system down. :|
2957 [19:19:14] <jelly> file a wishlist bug report
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2960 [19:20:38] <JPT> I'm on Arch, so i can't be certain about how it will play out on Debian. At least i learned something new today. :)
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2976 [19:31:22] <jelly> !load average
2977 [19:31:22] <dpkg> [load average] the number of processes that are either in a "runnable" (waiting for CPU) or uninterruptable state, averaged over time. It's like the number of people in line at the checkout. It's possible to have a high load average with low CPU utilization if systems are waiting for other resources, e.g. I/O, network socket responses.
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2979 [19:32:50] <sasukeskapa> I turned the log level up and it still doesn't generate logs, just disconnects.
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2981 [19:34:51] <sasukeskapa> The only info I can gather is from: "cat /proc/fs/cifs/DebugData"
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2985 [19:35:50] <sasukeskapa> "Number of credits: 49
2986 [19:35:51] <sasukeskapa> 2) Name: 192.168.1.53 Domain: WORKGROUP Uses: 1 OS: Windows 6.1
2987 [19:35:51] <sasukeskapa> NOS: Samba 4.5.5-GIT-UNKNOWN Capability: 0x8080f3fd
2988 [19:35:51] <sasukeskapa> SMB session status: 1 TCP status: 4
2989 [19:35:51] <sasukeskapa> Local Users To Server: 1 SecMode: 0x3 Req On Wire: 1
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3029 [19:50:45] <jelly> dpkg, flw78 is <reply><readytogo> load average: 282.96, 108.99, 42.42 <readytogo> how can it be ? <readytogo> I mean 282, anyone ever saw something like that ? <readytogo> I run "tail /dev/zero"
3030 [19:50:45] <dpkg> jelly: okay
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3033 [19:51:39] <jelly> readytogo: soon, your experience will be immortalized
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3035 [19:52:13] <jelly> !famous last words
3036 [19:52:14] <dpkg> <chpUke> Well, I have everything including experimental in my sources.list.
3037 [19:52:16] <greycat> Did he run it 200+ times in parallel?
3038 [19:52:21] <jelly> greycat: no need to.
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3041 [19:53:57] <tharkun> Is there a way of instructing diff to highlight the difference on a line?
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3045 [19:55:16] <jelly> no idea, but maybe try apt-cache search color diff; there's a package literally called colordiff
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3047 [19:56:22] <greycat> regular diff(1) in stretch has a --color option but it does the whole line
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3052 [19:57:57] <jelly> it would need to be a bit smarter than diff, which doesn't really look for differences in similar lines
3053 [19:58:02] <jelly> inside*
3054 [19:58:06] <greycat> *nod*
3055 [19:58:37] <greycat> I didn't expect to find it, but I figured I'd check the man page just to be sure.
3056 [19:58:51] <greycat> Then tested it with a simple one line change.
3057 [19:59:31] <jelly> seen something similar tho, maybe on github or wikipedia
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3059 [19:59:46] <demize> wdiff(1)
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3073 [20:02:57] <jelly> that seems nice
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3080 [20:04:30] <jelly> now postproc that with s/[-/RED/ s/{+/GREEN/ s/(-]|+})/NORMAL/
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3108 [20:13:36] <jelly> function wcdiff() {diff -u "$1" "$2"|wdiff -d | sed -r "s/\[-/$(tput bold;tput setf 4)/g; s/\{\+/$(tput bold;tput setf 2)/g; s/(-\]|\+})/$(tput sgr0)/g"}
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3111 [20:14:42] <greycat> need space after { and ; before }
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3115 [20:15:59] <jelly> greycat: only on inferior shells.
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3127 [20:19:51] <jelly> poor dashie chokes even with those fixes
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3130 [20:20:19] <greycat> posix sh uses f() to define a function, not "function f" and *definitely* not "function f()"
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3133 [20:21:25] <greycat> ksh supports either f() or function f, but not function f(). Also ksh has different *semantics* for f() vs. function f.
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3135 [20:21:47] <jelly> I've honestly never seen function f
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3137 [20:23:20] <GNU\colossus> me neither
3138 [20:23:47] <greycat> The difference in ksh is subtle and involves variable scopes. It's probably beyond the scope of #debian.
3139 [20:24:01] <greycat> In bash, all 3 are equivalent.
3140 [20:24:05] <abff> rc uses 'fn f'
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3144 [20:24:38] <abff> thats the only thing I canthink of as similar
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3147 [20:27:08] <greycat> well, perl has "sub foo" and tcl has "proc foo"
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3173 [20:39:57] <cash> replaced-url
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3210 [20:47:39] <tharkun> jelly: Thanks wdiff seem to do the trick
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3233 [20:58:52] <deadman36g_> Any idea what would cause all new files I create inside SSH to belong to the group 991? That does not appear to be a group of mine in /etc/group
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3235 [20:59:17] <greycat> What does "id" say when you are logged in through ssh on that system?
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3237 [20:59:29] <rhizome> deadman36g_: do you have group 991 on the local side? preserving permissions?
3238 [20:59:29] <deadman36g_> uid=0(root) gid=0(root) groups=0(root)
3239 [20:59:56] <greycat> No, when you are logged in as whoever you login as when you created these files. Also, check the directory for a setgid bit and weird group ownership.
3240 [21:00:04] <rhizome> sorry, i was thinking scp. nm!
3241 [21:00:12] <deadman36g_> I always login to ssh as root
3242 [21:00:17] <greycat> *shudder*
3243 [21:00:18] <rhizome> u wot m8
3244 [21:00:31] <greycat> So anyway, check for setgid on the directory.
3245 [21:00:59] <deadman36g_> sorry lol I am a n00b but I use OpenMediaVault and always just thought it was easier to login as root
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3248 [21:02:27] <somiaj> biggest issue is bots try to crack roots passwords on ssh servers, so just disabling root makes things for bots harder (They have to also guess a username, and if they get in they might not get root permisions)
3249 [21:02:34] <deadman36g_> 991 appears to have owner and group on nearly all my files
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3251 [21:02:50] <somiaj> sounds like you have a setgid has greycat mentioned on your filesystem somewhere.
3252 [21:03:10] <deadman36g_> it is a local NAS
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3254 [21:03:24] <deadman36g_> how can I check for that?
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3256 [21:03:54] <somiaj> it should appear when you ls -l various directories where this is ahppening, try the top level directory that this happens.
3257 [21:04:04] <somiaj> well ls -ld so you see the directory (not its contents)
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3260 [21:04:26] <rhizome> fyi, #openmediavault is a channel that exists
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3262 [21:05:09] <deadman36g_> this is the output for ls -ld for /etc/
3263 [21:05:10] <deadman36g_> drwxrwxr-x 107 911 911 4096 Apr 28 11:28 .
3264 [21:05:52] <greycat> That would worry me.
3265 [21:05:58] <somiaj> that would, what is ls -ld / give?
3266 [21:06:16] <deadman36g_> drwxr-xr-x 30 root root 4096 Apr 26 09:30 /
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3269 [21:06:29] <rhizome> wonder if the OMV installer botched some u/g creation
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3272 [21:06:39] <somiaj> how about ls -l / (is it more than etc that have those weird permisions)
3273 [21:07:18] <deadman36g_> I just noticed this issue today, have have OMV installed for a while, when I create a new file the owner is root but the group is 911.
3274 [21:07:30] <greycat> if you're going to pastebin it, "ls -ld /*" would be nicer to see
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3277 [21:08:05] <somiaj> wonder if someone ran chown on / for that weird uid/gid, and then directories that had setgid on it already are now giving the new id.
3278 [21:08:14] <somiaj> or maybe the contents of /, since / seems fine.
3279 [21:08:23] <somiaj> but either way, that is very strange.
3280 [21:08:25] <MacFloss> Hi, I have configured pam to use local (first) and ldap (second)
3281 [21:08:28] <MacFloss> it works fine
3282 [21:08:34] <deadman36g_> replaced-url
3283 [21:08:36] <MacFloss> but if the ldap server is down
3284 [21:08:51] <deadman36g_> And yes it appears in several locations not just /etc/
3285 [21:08:56] <MacFloss> and i try to connect via ssh with a local user
3286 [21:09:07] <somiaj> deadman36g_: what other locations?
3287 [21:09:07] <MacFloss> it is very slow (about 5 minutes)
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3289 [21:09:56] <deadman36g_> replaced-url
3290 [21:10:23] <MacFloss> does somebody kwnow why if I try to login with a local user the pam system try to connect to ldap server?
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3293 [21:11:05] <mefistofeles> MacFloss: because you have it configured that way?
3294 [21:11:14] <somiaj> deadman36g_: something strange is going on, but I'm not sure what it could be.
3295 [21:11:24] <greycat> deadman36g_: I'm thinking this is not a Debian issue, but something unique to your OMV thing.
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3298 [21:11:42] <deadman36g_> Is there a way to restore to default file permissions?
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3301 [21:12:14] <greycat> It seems like everything you touch gets converted to 911:911 with umask 002 (note the symlink /initrd.img.old)
3302 [21:12:33] <greycat> So, making a change might not be helpful if then next time you modify something, the problem just happens all over again.
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3304 [21:13:39] <greycat> But... then again, /initrd.img is *newer* than /initrd.img.old and it wasn't affected. Weird.
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3307 [21:14:02] <greycat> I can't say I've ever seen anything quite like this.
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3313 [21:16:37] <somiaj> yea it is very strange, unsure what the culprit could be
3314 [21:17:06] <MacFloss> mefistofeles: if the first auth method is local why check the ldap server?
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3390 [21:54:15] <Azrael_-> hi
3391 [21:54:23] <saymoo> olah
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3395 [21:54:52] <Azrael_-> i'm running xen on jessie and ran into this bug: replaced-url
3396 [21:54:53] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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3407 [21:59:38] <jasonwc> at this point, i'm pretty sure Amazon knows when I wake up and go to sleep (I use an Amazon Echo to turn on/off Phillips Hue lights in my bedroom)
3408 [21:59:51] <jasonwc> It can also start/stop Plex and do other stuff
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3420 [22:06:45] <Azrael_-> judd: as i already stated i don't really understand the status of it
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3431 [22:13:00] <Katana_Steel> well libpurple has to interoperate with other buggy protocols ;) in a sorta bug for bug pairity kind of way
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3435 [22:13:52] <Katana_Steel> else it'd be of no use to anyone...
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3461 [22:27:59] <blackflow> Azrael_-: judd is a bot, posted the title of bugzilla link you posted
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3463 [22:29:24] <greycat> Well, the status is "closed" but I don't know why. There was no clear "this is fixed in ___" or "not a bug" or anything.
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3467 [22:30:53] <blackflow> maybe "I'm going to tag this bug as fixed in
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3469 [22:30:54] <blackflow> 4.5.0~rc3-1 which was the first subsequent revision to appear in Debian."
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3506 [22:50:29] <Azrael_-> blackflow: thanks for the response. it's a pity it wasn't resolved in jessie. will have to avoid it
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3561 [23:16:51] <dka> Hey
3562 [23:17:21] <dka> I spoke to somebody today I can't remember it's nickname. About SWAP. Something like "slayer" from the US
3563 [23:17:35] <dka> any clue?
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3576 [23:21:36] <petemc> dka: from /lastlog, you spoke to saalaa, jelly and petn-randall
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3581 [23:22:19] <dka> thanks, it's somebody else
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3583 [23:22:39] <dka> damn, he gave me two cmd for creating a swap volume
3584 [23:22:41] <petemc> you spoke to sypher
3585 [23:22:46] <dka> yeap that's him
3586 [23:23:16] <dka> Sorry, I am kind of noobish with hexchat. I could find the log back :)
3587 [23:23:52] <petemc> i dont see anything about creating swap in what you said to him
3588 [23:23:56] <petemc> but it is pretty easy anyway
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3599 [23:36:04] <BlackBishop> so ... in jessie .. dont_blame_nrpe isn't supported anymore ?! :| I have to recompile ?
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3641 [23:54:49] <kion> why turning off my computer from the GUI does not require SU privileges but from the terminal it has to be run as SUDO 'sudo poweroff'
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