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30[00:18:30] <Guest94539> Ayyyyyyyye
31[00:20:27] <Guest94539> So I'm running a binary and doing /path/main.bin 2>stderr.txt &
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33[00:20:42] <Guest94539> How can I get stderr to append the file instead
34[00:20:52] <Guest94539> Or print to a new one using a random hash
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36[00:21:59] <missmbob> Guest94539: >> instead of >
37[00:22:24] <Guest94539> missmbob: Thanks
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58[00:31:56] <wuffi600> hi all
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60[00:33:06] <wuffi600> Is there an interactive firewall for debian? With "interactive" i mean that you are asked to allow/deny (also set as rule if wanted) when a process tries to open a connection and there is not yet a rule for it. (The interaction could be done via network from another computer or via web-service or via a TUI on a TTY or via X-GUI.) duaone-firewall is planned to ba an interactive firewall in the future.
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103[01:00:51] <mo1991reg> i have a machine that can dual boot into debian and a hackintosh installation. My /boot drive is on a usb pen that got wiped, and I managed to reintall grub, etc onto the usb drive and get linux back up. I am unable to now, however, get grub to see my Mac partition. It used to find it before I wiped the /boot folder (aka usb pen). Any ideas I might try?
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105[01:01:22] <mo1991reg> btw this is a old bios rather than efi
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131[01:18:46] <p00000> any reason zoneminder was removed from debian stretch?
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137[01:22:29] <missmbob> Migration status: BLOCKED: Rejected/introduces a regression (please see below)
138[01:22:41] <missmbob> apparently it did bad things :P
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141[01:23:15] <missmbob> p00000: replaced-url
142[01:23:34] <p00000> thanks
143[01:23:39] <p00000> =[
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199[01:57:02] <koz_> I have some questions about DFSG. I've checked the incompatibility list of licenses, but I see that CC licenses with NC and ND (apart from a few specific ones) are not on that list. Does that mean that they're OK by the DFSG, or am I missing something important here?
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201[01:57:59] <jim> "stable", "jessie", "sid", "testing" are all examples of? (what do you call these things? sections?)
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204[01:58:47] <jim> dists?
205[01:59:08] <missmbob> distribution.
206[01:59:21] <eldebrim1> stable and jessie are the same thing
207[01:59:25] <eldebrim1> at least for now
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210[02:00:23] <missmbob> the names "jessie" "wheezy" are codenames.
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218[02:05:04] <missmbob> koz_: probably ask #debian-mentors on oftc
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220[02:07:35] <koz_> missmbob: Thank you!
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319[03:01:10] <stephanie92> Any idea what channel I should be in for assistance or questions pertaining to lvm?
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323[03:02:53] <alekz> stephanie92: /msg ALIS list lvm
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332[03:07:49] <wondiws> I cannot control my backlight anymore with xbacklight since I upgraded to sid
333[03:07:54] <wondiws> "no outputs"
334[03:08:07] <wondiws> have backlight
335[03:08:11] <wondiws> how do I remedy this?
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337[03:08:41] <sypher> wondiws: testing/sid are offtopic here. Try #debian-next on the OFTC network.
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352[03:17:58] <wondiws> sypher, yes, they succesfully helped me there, it was a bug in sid
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373[03:29:30] <sypher> wondiws: Glad to hear it.
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428[04:17:41] <stephanie92> Is it safe to extend a VG on a live system?
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433[04:20:44] <eric__> hello
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441[04:22:43] <LiuYan> stephanie92: it should be safe
442[04:23:08] <stephanie92> LiuYan: Thank you
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449[04:28:37] <LiuYan> stephanie92: sorry, wait a minute, "on a live system" you mean "online" or "using a live cd/usb" ? sorry for my English
450[04:28:56] <stephanie92> LiuYan: It's a live server
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452[04:29:04] <stephanie92> 'online'
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590[06:31:33] <stephanie92> Would installing a new version of virtualbox (using .deb package) overwrite the old version of virtualbox? Or must i first remove the old version and then install the new version
591[06:32:20] <missmbob> stephanie92: there's a newer version in jessie-backports
592[06:32:30] <Guest59036> Hi
593[06:33:12] <stephanie92> missmbob: well that's good to know.. but I installed the old version the same way.. (dpkg -i vboxpackage.deb)
594[06:33:15] <Guest59036> How do I get this to print the stderror from "test"? replaced-url
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596[06:33:24] <stephanie92> missmbob: will this make any difference?
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599[06:33:59] <missmbob> stephanie92: depending on where you got the deb from. you should add their official repo to sources.list and then just apt-get install deb replaced-url
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605[06:36:00] <Rusty1_> missmbob: try #bash if nobody here pipes up
606[06:36:13] <stephanie92> missmbob: well i got it from virtual box's site
607[06:36:26] <missmbob> stephanie92: that's fine. dpkg -i
608[06:36:34] <missmbob> Rusty1_: you must be talking to someone else
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610[06:36:55] <stephanie92> missmbob: okay.. i'd be interested to adding additional mirror's and keys.. never done that either haha
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613[06:37:18] <Rusty1_> oops sry missmbob
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615[06:37:30] <missmbob> stephanie92: i gave you the repo. for the virtualbox keys do this replaced-url
616[06:37:38] <stephanie92> okay
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618[06:38:16] <stephanie92> missmbob: Wait, that's it? I don't need to add the mirror to source.list after i run those two commands?
619[06:38:27] <Rusty1_> Guest59036: try #bash if nobody here pipes up
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622[06:38:53] <stephanie92> Bash Rustyl
623[06:38:59] <Guest59036> Rusty1_: thanks
624[06:39:03] <missmbob> stephanie92: you do. the paste is the key so apt-get doesnt warn you that the new repo cant be verified
625[06:39:44] <stephanie92> missmbob: ah okay, interesting.. didn't know apt- had those capabilities
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627[06:40:46] <stephanie92> missmbob: When you add it, does apt- have a special place it stores the .asc's?? How would I view my existing keys
628[06:40:56] <stephanie92> just curious xD sorry to derail
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630[06:41:35] <missmbob> stephanie92: apt-key list
631[06:42:13] <stephanie92> missmbob: omg this is amazing ^^ haha
632[06:42:16] <missmbob> stephanie92: and it's stored in /etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d/ and /etc/apt/trusted.gpg
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637[06:43:45] <stephanie92> missmbob: Thank you ^^
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639[06:43:55] <missmbob> np
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666[07:13:20] <semitones> Hi all
667[07:13:33] <xormor> semitones, hi
668[07:14:17] <semitones> for hosts.allow, does this line look correct: "ALL: 10.8.0" ? I have a VPN that uses a subnet like 10.8.0.x and my regular LAN is 192.168.2.x
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670[07:14:34] <semitones> and right now I can't ping the DNS server, so I wonder if this will fix it
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673[07:18:47] <somiaj> if you can't ping the DNS server that is more like routing, host.allow is for ssh I belive, or part of denyhost
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677[07:21:33] <semitones> ok. i gotta fix the routing somehow
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736[08:15:56] <chatter29> hey guys
737[08:16:06] <krytarik> Hi chatter29!
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799[08:56:28] <Rembo> how can i lock a shell user to see only a specific folder?
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806[09:00:47] <nkuttler> Rembo: how does the user log in?
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809[09:02:00] <Rembo> nkuttler via ssh shell
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811[09:03:44] <nkuttler> Rembo: see man 5 sshd_config, ChrootDirectory, but you'll need a chroot
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842[09:47:18] <mifritscher> moin
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849[09:48:30] <mifritscher> is there a way to read out the gpio register on a Skylake m7 audio device? Its a Audio device: Intel Corporation Sunrise Point-LP HD Audio (rev 21) / 0403: 8086:9d70
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852[09:49:01] <mifritscher> I wanna try to debug the "no sound from internal speakers (but headsets) after standby
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880[09:57:19] <mifritscher> grr, is there a way to search in the BTS simply after the subject?
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898[10:09:21] <hellyeah> hey
899[10:09:27] <hellyeah> anyone use youtube-dl here?
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914[10:16:29] <mifritscher> I collected the sound problem info under replaced-url
915[10:16:30] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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944[10:36:08] <LibertyWeNeed> I have a ThinkPad T460 running 16.04 LTS. The graphics are flickering. Does anyone know how to fix this?
945[10:36:08] <LibertyWeNeed> The graphics card is Intel HD Graphics 520
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953[10:46:46] <AlexLikeRock> LibertyWeNeed, you are ussing ubuntu
954[10:46:53] <AlexLikeRock> this channel of DEBIAN
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956[10:47:06] <AlexLikeRock> !UBUNTU
957[10:47:06] <dpkg> Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>.
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964[10:53:21] <Manis> Hi. Is there a way to detect that an encrypted volume has been unmounted and then automatically run "cryptsetup close"?
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969[10:56:46] <blackflow> Manis: something along the lines of mount | grep "/dev/mapper/blahblah" && cryptsetup luksClose blahlblah ?
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971[10:57:39] <Manis> blackflow: not really. If a user clicks the "eject" button in the file explorer after unmounting the volume I want to automatically close the cryptsetup volume.
972[10:57:57] <Manis> I was thinking of something like a udisks hook.
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974[10:58:31] <blackflow> Maybe via dbus
975[10:59:32] <Manis> blackflow: Do you know how to do that?
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992[11:10:43] <spacebug^> (best) 'pastebin'-alike for images?
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996[11:13:03] <simbalion> If I delete the .debs from /var/cache/archives will that cause problems with my system? One app has a few dozen 50mb .debs and they look like minor version upgrades of the same thing
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1000[11:14:00] <simbalion> er, I meant /var/cache/apt/archives, I have been up all night..
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1002[11:14:12] <jelly> simbalion, it won't, in fact there's a command to do that, "apt-get clean"
1003[11:14:33] <jelly> see also autoclean in the manual.
1004[11:14:42] <simbalion> jelly: thanks, that helps :D
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1093[12:15:15] <Lady_Aleena> Hello. When I install debian last, I saw two new directories in ~/. They were ~/Public and ~/Templates. Does anyone know what is supposed to be using these directories?
1094[12:15:23] <Lady_Aleena> s/install/installed/;
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1096[12:15:58] <hmz365> Why does the kernel have to add a parameter CONFIG_MODULE_FORCE_UNLOAD=y, and why can't you force deletion of the modules that are already in use?
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1098[12:17:29] <Eduard_Munteanu> hmz365, you can delete module files on disk but you can't safely remove a module that's in use.
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1104[12:22:10] <abrotman> Lady_Aleena: likely created by whatever WM/DE you were using
1105[12:22:33] <hmz365> Thank you, Eduard_Munteanu
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1107[12:23:14] <Eduard_Munteanu> hmz365, to be clear, you can't safely remove it from the kernel with rmmod
1108[12:23:27] <Lady_Aleena> abrotman, I'm searching my ~/ now for it, though I'm getting a lot of results I do not want.
1109[12:23:58] <Lady_Aleena> OMG! The computer's fan just turned on from running a grep. This is not good.
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1111[12:24:15] <antto> Lady_Aleena is it a single core?
1112[12:24:53] <blackflow> laptop fans usually turn on just by looking at the laptop and thinking about doing some work :)
1113[12:25:00] <Lady_Aleena> antto, I don't know.
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1115[12:26:21] <hmz365> I wonder why you can delete the graphics module you are using? Eduard_Munteanu
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1118[12:26:58] <Lady_Aleena> Don't ever "grep -RIe '/Public' ."
1119[12:26:58] <Eduard_Munteanu> hmz365, delete the file or remove it from the kernel?
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1121[12:27:51] <antto> Lady_Aleena does that search inside files?
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1123[12:28:37] <Eduard_Munteanu> hmz365, it depends on the module... some are only used while X is running
1124[12:28:56] <Lady_Aleena> antto, yes. I was looking for instances of /Public to find what may have created the directory, but I guess I should search for the string $HOME/Public, but I can't remember how to make that literal.
1125[12:28:59] <blackflow> Lady_Aleena: grep is looking at file contents. You need 'find' if you just want to find files regardless of their contents.
1126[12:29:30] <Lady_Aleena> blackflow, I want to find all files with the string '$HOME/Public' which means grep.
1127[12:29:35] <antto> ;]
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1130[12:31:03] <Lady_Aleena> However, I don't know how to search for that string without it expanding.
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1132[12:31:12] <antto> i also have /Public and /Templates, and they even have dedicated icons (normal folder icon with a symbol)
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1134[12:31:38] <Lady_Aleena> antto, well, if you can find what created them, I am interested.
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1136[12:32:13] <antto> abrotman already proposed an answer
1137[12:32:35] <Lady_Aleena> antto, I would like to know specifics.
1138[12:32:46] <blackflow> Lady_Aleena: replaced-url
1139[12:33:00] <blackflow> Lady_Aleena: also look into ~/.config/user-dirs.dirs
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1142[12:34:05] <blackflow> tl;dr those folders are defined by Freedesktop and autocreated by desktops, with configurable paths
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1145[12:36:06] <Lady_Aleena> blackflow, thank you very much!
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1158[12:39:40] <pflanze> Hello. Could I compile a user space program to Linux on ARM in both endiannesses (would be useful or testing whether there are endianness bugs) and run it on the same kernel without rebooting the system into another kernel?
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1167[12:44:17] <antto> speaking of desktop directories, i wonder if it's possible to specify a different /Desktop folder
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1171[12:45:11] <antto> because i have the same user for both ubuntu and debian (with a shared home folder) and now i see icons from both, but not all icons are "valid"
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1174[12:46:19] <antto> i guess it's in the Desktop Preferences, Advanced "use desktop as folder" Custom
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1176[12:48:06] <FreddyP> The way I do it is have separte home folders but the big folders such as my photos and music are on an separate partition so dont have the issue you have
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1178[12:48:37] <bazhang> morphis_, would #snappy be the place to ask about anbox
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1297[13:56:34] <antto> for programs that require superpowers, do i run them from terminal with su/sudo or is that a potentially bad idea?
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1300[13:57:46] <antto> some of them ask you to enter the password, but other simply don't and they fail to work (so i assume they expect to be executed with the right superpowers beforehand)
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1346[14:17:38] <toad_> what's my best option for virtualisation for a linux guest with GPU passthrough? xen doesn't work out of the box because of the qemu-xen-traditional issue; I've seen a lot of stuff on replaced-url
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1352[14:18:13] <toad_> I'd like to know if it's worth installing a recent xen from source ... ideally i'd like a package manager solution but that seems unlikely?
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1362[14:23:06] <dgriffi> I'm having trouble figuring out which packages apt is not upgrading. When I do "apt-get upgrade", I get this: "0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 2 not upgraded."
1363[14:23:14] <dgriffi> but it won't tell me the packages in question
1364[14:23:52] <dgriffi> /var/log/apt/history.log isn't telling me anything useful there either
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1366[14:24:29] <dvs> dgriffi, try "apt-get dist-upgrade"
1367[14:24:55] <dgriffi> dvs: I did that after I read replaced-url
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1377[14:30:55] <abff> I'm bored anyone have a suggestion for a good game in the repos?
1378[14:31:17] <dgriffi> abff: frotz
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1380[14:31:26] <Dinosaurio> ikonia: ahaha whops
1381[14:31:39] <Dinosaurio> not your best day eh?
1382[14:31:44] <ikonia> day is fine thanks
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1385[14:32:26] <FreddyP> super tux racer is fun
1386[14:33:20] <dgriffi> after you install frotz, go to replaced-url
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1388[14:33:29] <abff> dgriffi sweet :)
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1390[14:33:52] <abff> FreddyP I'll check that out after a frotz toe-dip
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1424[14:53:20] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
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1437[14:57:48] <veganmaister> how does hardware become supported in the Debian world? Are we relying on vendors to provide the right drivers or select the right components?Or is the onus back on the community?
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1439[14:58:32] <dvs> veganmaister, most of the time, the community makes the drivers from specs or reverse engineering.
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1533[15:42:34] <Fuj1M4s> v
1534[15:42:44] <AtheroS__> replaced-url
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1537[15:44:10] <missmbob> !kali
1538[15:44:10] <dpkg> Kali Linux (replaced-url
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1559[15:58:49] <dgriffi> !recursion
1560[15:58:49] <dpkg> ~recursion
1561[15:58:49] <apt> To understand recursion, you must first understand recursion. see ~recursion
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1563[15:59:48] <antto> this can cause some people to die
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1565[16:00:11] <dgriffi> !null
1566[16:00:11] <dpkg> null's not
1567[16:00:18] <dgriffi> !foo
1568[16:00:18] <dpkg> it has been said that foo is the probably first <metasyntactic variable>, it's a placeholder for some other term. See replaced-url
1569[16:00:32] <dgriffi> !flatulence
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1571[16:00:39] <missmbob> you can stop now
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1657[16:42:58] <abff> does install create directories as needed? I am trying to make install a binary I compiled from git, I changed the $NAME in the Makefile so that apt wouldn't get confused if I ever installed the repo (repo has an older version)
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1659[16:44:40] <abff> The binary compiled fine but make install fails at "install: cannot stat 'doc/frotz-2.45pre.6' : No such file or directory
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1661[16:44:52] <phogg> abff: that's up to whoever wrote the makefile
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1666[16:45:43] <ber532k> I don't believe install creates directories. You could use mkdir -p to be sure the directory is there
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1668[16:47:22] <abff> isntall -D (which the makefile uses) does apparently, and with -m chmods everything install creates. Although I don't really understand what this means:
1669[16:47:39] <abff> create all leading components of DEST except the last, or all components of --target-directory, then copy SOURCE to DEST
1670[16:47:48] <abff> except the last? :s
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1672[16:49:14] <abff> oh I just figured itout
1673[16:49:27] <J1sy> Hello people i want to install multiple DEs from debian usb, my rig is a xw8200
1674[16:49:32] <abff> honestly I should just talk into an empty channel
1675[16:49:51] <ber532k> abff: what was the problem
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1677[16:50:54] <abff> ber532k Well, I changed the name of the binary and all the instances of it in the Makefile through the export. I did not however anticipate that the git:doc/ directory would have files named after the old binary
1678[16:51:11] <J1sy> Ok my rig was slow with 4gb ram , maybe it was the ram
1679[16:51:34] <ber532k> I guess renaming can be ugly-ish some times ...
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1682[16:51:56] <J1sy> [16:49:13] «J1sy» Hello people i want to install multiple DEs from debian usb, my rig is a xw8200
1683[16:52:00] <abff> Indeed, find | rename. lesson learned
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1758[17:33:56] <maccampus> Hi, to a new user, would you recoment Debian or Ubuntu. Or maybe another distro ?
1759[17:34:28] <towo`> since you are in #debian, debian
1760[17:35:12] <maccampus> okay, but isn’t Ubuntu debian to ?
1761[17:35:45] <Lowl3v3l> maccampus: ubuntu is the bastard son of debian sid and an idiotic company.
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1763[17:36:35] <BluesKaj> that's kind od harsh
1764[17:36:44] <BluesKaj> of
1765[17:36:59] <maccampus> So Debian is better since the idoit company is not included
1766[17:37:16] <Lowl3v3l> maccampus: if you follow my reasoning ;)
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1768[17:37:49] <maccampus> So why the company is idiotic iyho
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1771[17:39:26] <Lowl3v3l> maccampus: because canonical has had a famous history of really bad design decisions and does not treat the community really kindly. Apart from companies that want to make money being suspect in and of itself^^
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1784[17:43:47] <j4ckcom> how can i install tor browser?
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1786[17:44:37] <missmbob> maccampus: obviously. we didn't do stupid shit like mir and unity
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1788[17:45:12] <Lowl3v3l> missmbob: and we didn't try to steal all your data to sell it to amazon.
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1790[17:45:38] <missmbob> yeah, that made me want to smack their mama
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1795[17:46:13] <j4ckcom> how can i install tor browser?
1796[17:46:19] <yht> j4ckcom, have you read replaced-url
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1799[17:46:36] <missmbob> ,v torbrowser-launcher
1800[17:46:39] <judd> Package: torbrowser-launcher on amd64 -- wheezy-backports/contrib: 0.1.9-1+deb8u3~bpo70+1; jessie/contrib: 0.1.9-1+deb8u3; jessie-backports/contrib: 0.2.6-2~bpo8+1; sid/contrib: 0.2.6-3.1; stretch/contrib: 0.2.6-3.1; experimental/contrib: 0.2.7-1
1801[17:46:44] <maccampus> mir is BSD, ain’t it
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1804[17:47:25] <missmbob> mir is what ubuntu did because xorg is fucked. but instead of going to wayland like everyone else, they tried to do something themselves. and failed. they just cancelled mir. and unity
1805[17:47:28] <Lowl3v3l> maccampus: this is the mir we refer to : replaced-url
1806[17:47:50] <Lowl3v3l> missmbob: well they fail with every single one of their "lets do it ourselves"-projects
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1808[17:47:59] <missmbob> you'd think they'd learn
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1813[17:48:41] <Lowl3v3l> look at unity. they managed to build a desktop environment ON LINUX that people did not get to run on anything else over YEARS. I mean how stupid do you have to be?
1814[17:48:57] <maccampus> What does Android use ? Xorg, Wayland or MIR ?
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1817[17:49:37] <missmbob> i have no idea
1818[17:49:46] <missmbob> i'm 100% certain it's not mir, though
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1820[17:50:13] <Lowl3v3l> maccampus: iirc neither mir nor wayland, but i am not sure about xorg. could be, doubt it though
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1822[17:50:25] <Lowl3v3l> maccampus: NOBODY uses mir. literally NOBODY.
1823[17:50:26] <towo`> no, it's not xorg
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1826[17:51:30] <towo`> it uses an own window-system
1827[17:51:50] <missmbob> but do they ever try to push crap on people. took what, five years of unity/mir crap before they called it quits? poor users
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1830[17:52:52] <maccampus> and on all distro’s Xorg is being replaced by Wayland ?
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1832[17:53:06] <missmbob> not replacing. setting it as default
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1834[17:53:16] <missmbob> so you can install xorg if you'd rather
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1838[17:54:20] <missmbob> debian buster will have wayland as default
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1841[17:56:45] <maccampus> And what do the main Unices do, what does Solaris & BSD do, are they shifting to wayland to ?
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1846[17:57:26] <Lowl3v3l> maccampus: solaris is pretty much dead by now. NetBSD and FreeBSD are using xorg atm.
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1849[17:58:22] <missmbob> i know freebsd is switching to wayland
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1851[17:58:57] <missmbob> replaced-url
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1857[18:02:10] <blackflow> missmbob: there are no plans to default to wayland in freebsd for now
1858[18:02:19] <missmbob> basically decisions in debian are made by a whole bunch of geeks with no agenda. ubuntu has a board of people and a CEO who MUST do it THEIR way
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1862[18:02:51] <missmbob> blackflow: replaced-url
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1864[18:03:14] <missmbob> and WIP
1865[18:03:35] <blackflow> missmbob: there are no official plans to default to wayland, regardless of that wiki. someone is trying to port it, that's all.
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1869[18:04:00] <blackflow> it lists "replacement for xorg" because that's what wayland is about -- to replce xorg
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1876[18:06:18] <blackflow> btw, there is no default in freebsd. freebsd does not come with any gui, one can install whatever they want.
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1882[18:08:15] <abff> I think the real question is, who is developing wayland compositors for the debian repos right now?
1883[18:08:48] <LilleJohn> Please say there is anyone that knows how to do a welcome page for a wifi guest channel ?
1884[18:08:53] <abff> I know weston is in sid but what others are there?
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1888[18:09:41] <blackflow> abff: kwin?
1889[18:10:01] <blackflow> and mutter for gnome
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1891[18:10:27] <abff> ah yeah mutter
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1893[18:10:33] <abff> kwin I will have to read about
1894[18:10:40] <blackflow> it'd for kde
1895[18:10:42] <blackflow> 's
1896[18:10:56] <abff> LilleJohn doesn't dd-wrt have a guest login page?
1897[18:11:11] <abff> open-wrt*
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1901[18:13:49] <abff> blackflow I kind of like xfce's approach, they seem to be waiting for wayland to settle down before tackling it.
1902[18:14:14] <maccampus> Does Charles Bishop works on Wayland ?
1903[18:14:16] <LilleJohn> or maybe anyone who knows how to edit tp-link wifi routers ? (i just want to do so guet gets a welcome page when connecting)
1904[18:14:29] <missmbob> no they're not. they're working as fast as possible to port everything to gtk3 which they need to do first to work on wayland
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1907[18:15:15] <maccampus> Does it involves Yutani ?
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1915[18:18:52] <blackflow> maccampus: yes: replaced-url
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1921[18:20:40] <maccampus> So the creators are Alien/Predator fans ?
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1924[18:21:19] <blackflow> Predator? Weyland-Yutani is from teh Alien mythos
1925[18:21:38] <abff> missmbob potato tomato
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1930[18:23:02] <blackflow> actualy, Wayland is named after a town: replaced-url
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1935[18:23:32] <blackflow> so all the Alien fans are misspelling it Weyland. And somoene did the Yutani compositor for teh lulz.
1936[18:24:04] <BluesKaj> I have a tp-link TL-WDR3600, think you need to start with the gateway IP , but I don't see any options like the loading a welcome page
1937[18:24:26] <BluesKaj> LilleJohn ^
1938[18:24:38] <LilleJohn> You would not believe how many get the wrong information about things
1939[18:24:43] <LilleJohn> hello Blue :)
1940[18:25:21] <BluesKaj> Hi LilleJohn:-)
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1942[18:26:00] <LilleJohn> ye, i think so too cuz it exists open wifi allready with welcome pages or just page when joining
1943[18:26:25] <LilleJohn> thou i cant find any info abut it on google
1944[18:27:07] <LilleJohn> i might be jumping over the pages without knowing sense i do not know what to look for
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1947[18:28:29] <TomTomTo1> LilleJohn: i have it on my openwrt router. it's called dhcp splash. not sure if the tp-link firmware supports it but you can look for that.
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1950[18:29:24] <LilleJohn> thanks Tom for tipsing me :D
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1952[18:29:49] <LilleJohn> (I am Swedish so i may say words that does not exists in English)
1953[18:30:05] <LilleJohn> unsure about tipsing :P
1954[18:30:17] <blackflow> (we'll make sure to consult the nonexisting english words fictionary)
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1956[18:30:42] <BluesKaj> LilleJohn, this a rther drastic solution , but perhaps dd-wrt has the options you're looking for replaced-url
1957[18:31:02] <LilleJohn> Thanks Blue :D
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1960[18:31:10] <abff> LilleJohn is this what you mean? captive portal?
1961[18:31:11] <abff> replaced-url
1962[18:31:35] <BluesKaj> LilleJohn, that's ok, my Swedish is a little rusty :-)
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1967[18:32:31] <LilleJohn> I saw that it is for sale thou i do not want to pay for anything that i am doing for others so
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1971[18:33:46] <LilleJohn> I think a smart shearch is to look for what DD-WRT was named before and that way mayby find a free version
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1975[18:34:22] <gburcz> hello
1976[18:34:48] <tx> is it me you're..looking for~~?
1977[18:35:11] <CuSn> Hi, I'd like to turn on local DNS caching. Anyone got a tip or pointer?
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1980[18:35:32] <CuSn> tx: sorry to interrupt thesong.
1981[18:35:36] <CuSn> :-)
1982[18:35:36] <BluesKaj> LilleJohn, sorry , try this replaced-url
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1984[18:36:03] <missmbob> ,i dnsmasq
1985[18:36:04] <judd> Package dnsmasq (net, optional) in jessie/amd64: Small caching DNS proxy and DHCP/TFTP server. Version: 2.72-3+deb8u1; Size: 15.5k; Installed: 114k
1986[18:36:10] <missmbob> CuSn: ^
1987[18:36:22] <CuSn> danke
1988[18:36:37] <BluesKaj> LilleJohn, I forgot the correct open source name
1989[18:36:43] <CuSn> missmbob: al i do is install that, or are there other steps to take as well?
1990[18:36:52] <CuSn> *all
1991[18:37:12] <missmbob> CuSn: and then set your /etc/resolv.conf to point to nameserver 127.0.0.1 or network-manager if you're using that
1992[18:37:16] <TomTomTo1> you have to check if the router model is supported first.
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1994[18:37:31] <LilleJohn> If any who wants to know this too then just say my nick and i will share if i now find a open sour....
1995[18:37:33] <CuSn> missmbob: ok
1996[18:37:47] <TomTomTo1> and think about if you really want to do this just for one little feature.
1997[18:37:50] <LilleJohn> Thanks Blue, and do not be sorry its not me whom is helping you xD
1998[18:38:00] <missmbob> CuSn: so whatever you use to configure your network, your dns server is now 127.0.0.1
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2001[18:38:21] <CuSn> There's no place like home. :-)
2002[18:38:22] <missmbob> CuSn: of course you should set secondary, etc. 8.8.8.8 or 8.8.4.4
2003[18:38:27] <LilleJohn> lol, i had that page opend in a tab before i join this rom xD
2004[18:38:30] <CuSn> Ja.
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2006[18:39:00] <LilleJohn> i was tight when i say i could be jumping over the pages without notice it
2007[18:39:11] <missmbob> i agree with TomTomTo1. think hard. you'll break that router pretty easily
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2009[18:39:22] <TomTomTo1> Also, even if your router is supported by openwrt it doesn't mean you can get every feature to work. some routers only have 4mb flash and 32mb ram.
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2011[18:39:28] <CuSn> missmbob: article on zackly that replaced-url
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2015[18:40:53] <LilleJohn> eh.. i love fixing stuff xD
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2017[18:41:31] <LilleJohn> thou i think my router does not support it, i have C20i replaced-url
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2019[18:41:49] <CuSn> missmbob: Did you remove Bind in order to install and use dnsmasq?
2020[18:43:34] <LilleJohn> I really should learn how to use terminal better -_- i am from the beginning a Windows user so
2021[18:43:47] <LilleJohn> started with dos
2022[18:44:09] <CuSn> by terminal, you mean "shell" or command line. :-)
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2025[18:45:06] <tx> command.com I think you will find
2026[18:45:08] <tx> is what he means.
2027[18:45:55] <n4dir> a terminal seems pretty useless to me if you don't use a command line.
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2029[18:46:05] <LilleJohn> shelll
2030[18:46:31] <tx> n4dir: not necessarily, you could just keep it in your application launcher (the icon)
2031[18:46:34] <tx> to look like a hacker
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2033[18:47:12] <CuSn> Ja, terminals are hardware. On Linus we have lots of different terminal emulations that we use in order to use the shell, or command line.
2034[18:47:16] <CuSn> *Linux
2035[18:47:31] <LilleJohn> I just bought a new energi drink today daamn it is good, It is called Celsius Cola
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2038[18:48:33] <CuSn> LilleJohn: keep the energy drink away fronm these: replaced-url
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2040[18:48:52] <BluesKaj> LilleJohn, here's a list of openwrt supported routers replaced-url
2041[18:49:00] <LilleJohn> Ye, i have learned that alreddy
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2043[18:49:15] <LilleJohn> anyone in here who are using AMD Ryzen with linux maybe ?
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2046[18:50:46] <LilleJohn> hahahaha
2047[18:50:58] <LilleJohn> Smart idea CuSn
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2050[18:51:52] <Dreaman> BluesKaj debian testing
2051[18:52:09] <LilleJohn> i am actually on a laptop right now, i am really sruggeling with using it, sometimes im calm then next sec i am mad and want to burn it
2052[18:52:37] <BluesKaj> Dreaman, what about it?
2053[18:53:00] <Dreaman> install debian testin stretch
2054[18:53:23] <BluesKaj> Dreaman, I'm on Stretch
2055[18:53:45] <Dreaman> and
2056[18:53:51] <BluesKaj> just not atm
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2061[18:55:51] <LilleJohn> i drank this energi 2 hours ago and im still speeded :O I am a cofein addict and i can tell you this is really not cofein
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2063[18:55:58] <n4dir> CuSn: i don't get you. What you mean "the shell or the commandline"
2064[18:56:45] <BluesKaj> nobody ever corrected me for using the word "terminal"
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2068[18:57:11] <n4dir> terminal as a shortcut for teminal-emulator is pretty common.
2069[18:57:22] <CuSn> Some people coming from MacOS use the word "terminal" when they mean the shell. Terminals are hardware devices or (mostly) software that emulates the display of a hardware terminal.
2070[18:57:38] <TomTomTo1> nobody cares..
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2072[18:57:45] <CuSn> We use terminal emulators to actually use the various shell's on Linux.
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2074[18:58:38] <BluesKaj> semantics. most users know what I mean when I tell them to open a terminal
2075[18:58:47] <CuSn> So the use of"terminal' for "shell" results in a misunderstanding of what and where the shell is. The screws people up when they start scripting etc.
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2078[18:59:18] <CuSn> And especially when they start coding application that havet o actually control the terminal display.
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2080[18:59:34] <CuSn> So, no. It's not just semantics. It ends up being a real issue.
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2082[18:59:49] <LilleJohn> CuSn ye i have noticed that xD
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2084[19:00:11] <LilleJohn> Btw, if you have notheard of jasper project then you really should check it out
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2087[19:01:19] <n4dir> greybot: In this context, a shell is a command interpreter. It reads commands, and performs actions.
2088[19:01:30] <n4dir> so: how would you want to use the shell without using commands?
2089[19:01:57] <BluesKaj> well i suppose in the strictest sense terminal can be misinterpreted by ppl new to scripting , but I haven't heard any complaints til now
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2091[19:02:14] <CuSn> BluesKaj: Clerly i need to work harder. :-)
2092[19:02:19] <CuSn> *clearly
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2094[19:02:51] <LilleJohn> n4dir, it is a difference sense windows uses none commands to install things (Another door you can call it)
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2096[19:03:22] <BluesKaj> CuSn, i do understand your concern tho ;-)
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2098[19:03:46] <CuSn> I miss my decwriter....
2099[19:04:29] <LilleJohn> Anyone who wants to know why i converted myself in to debian ?
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2101[19:05:04] <CuSn> I'm sure the folks over in #ubuntu would like to hear about it... :-)
2102[19:05:18] <LilleJohn> ok :P
2103[19:05:29] <CuSn> :D
2104[19:05:44] <LilleJohn> Well that just tells me i am in the rioght place
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2106[19:05:54] <CuSn> oops. sorry thought i was in #snarky-linux.
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2108[19:06:56] <Azrael_-> any xen-friends in here and can give me a feedback regarding the xen-version in jessie?
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2111[19:08:15] <LilleJohn> Ok its time to do the hard things -_- (compiling) i still havent gotten used to it
2112[19:08:15] <BluesKaj> I still run Kubuntu as a tester on new test release verions such as 17.10 Artful atm, I won't abandon it, but I do like Debian alot too.
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2116[19:09:56] <LilleJohn> Seems that its a bin file, i guess its just to use directly
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2127[19:17:25] <LilleJohn> Ehm, i guess theres no external sharing info rule in this ?
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2130[19:17:39] <LilleJohn> sharing channel info*
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2136[19:20:45] <LilleJohn> im asking cuz i just did a room for what i am doing right now
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2158[19:31:12] <acalycine> Hey. Why do I get all these errors on Debian 8.7? Trying to sudo apt-get update. replaced-url
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2173[19:36:54] <LilleJohn> acalycine are you using "mousemove" ?
2174[19:37:13] <acalycine> What do you mean?
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2178[19:37:23] <acalycine> The package?
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2180[19:38:05] <LilleJohn> it was nothing, sry
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2200[19:45:40] <LilleJohn> Nice codes on it thou...
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2206[19:46:52] <gburcz> why no one speak here?
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2215[19:50:39] <LilleJohn> maybe there doing other things ?
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2220[19:52:09] <acalycine> Anybody?
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2222[19:53:37] <cruncher> acalycine, did you check the errors?
2223[19:53:44] <acalycine> Where would they be?
2224[19:53:51] <acalycine> You mean what I pasted?
2225[19:54:02] <cruncher> it seems that the main problem is you most probably have the arch wrong written somewhere
2226[19:54:08] <cruncher> binary-ie86, instead of i386
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2228[19:54:33] <cruncher> and i dont know about those ppa.launchapd repos...
2229[19:54:37] <cruncher> acalycine, yes
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2231[19:54:59] <acalycine> But I don't see how my sources.list is malformed
2232[19:55:19] <cruncher> maybe oyu want to paste it
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2235[19:56:47] <acalycine> Sure
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2237[19:57:05] <acalycine> It has a .d at the end of it. Is that normal?
2238[19:57:36] <cruncher> acalycine, are you sure its a file and not a folder? ;-)
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2240[19:57:43] <acalycine> ha, yep.
2241[19:57:50] <acalycine> replaced-url
2242[19:58:12] <cruncher> but having said that, you most probably have files in that folder too
2243[19:58:19] <LilleJohn> time for me to chck it...
2244[19:58:19] <cruncher> and probably there is the/a error
2245[19:58:25] <LilleJohn> test*
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2248[19:58:35] <acalycine> i have some in .d, yes
2249[19:59:19] <cruncher> !mm
2250[19:59:19] <dpkg> i guess mm is Myanmar (Burma)
2251[19:59:32] <cruncher> can someone point out the factoid about deb multimedia?
2252[19:59:46] <LilleJohn> i have no clue what i am looking at, what is gistfile1.txt ?
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2254[20:00:00] <acalycine> sources.list
2255[20:00:09] <LilleJohn> ye thou what is it for
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2259[20:00:35] <acalycine> ??
2260[20:01:05] <LilleJohn> well one can use it just to read it and other can use it for executing it and so on
2261[20:01:11] <cruncher> acalycine, i mean, look for errors in those files
2262[20:01:24] <acalycine> Errors like what, in sources.list?
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2264[20:01:35] <acalycine> It probably is the wrong archtype
2265[20:01:59] <LilleJohn> ye you need robin hood as a archer hes better :P
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2268[20:02:38] <cruncher> acalycine, like i told you before, ie86 instead of i386, thing slike that
2269[20:02:50] <acalycine> Where can I change that?
2270[20:03:19] <cruncher> acalycine, i told you, a variant is to open the file, read it and look for typos
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2272[20:03:45] <acalycine> What file? I don't understand.
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2276[20:04:29] <sypher> acalycine: Somehow, your system is looking for 'ie86' as the architecture, which obviously doesn't exist.
2277[20:05:17] <acalycine> Understood.
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2279[20:06:03] <sypher> Now, why it doesn't know its own architecture... Good question.
2280[20:06:18] <n4dir> from what i see: besides that you also seem to have got all kind of repositories, debian-multimedia, ubuntu, mint and what not
2281[20:06:32] <n4dir> !frankendebian
2282[20:06:33] <dpkg> When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. See if you can convince ##linux to help.
2283[20:07:00] <LilleJohn> i cant handle this acaly just check replaced-url
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2285[20:08:35] <acalycine> What exactly is that JS file and what do you mean by check it?
2286[20:08:44] <acalycine> Good advice, n4dir. I'll try there.
2287[20:08:48] <sypher> LilleJohn: Is that file somehow relevant to something that's on-topic in this channel?
2288[20:08:58] <LilleJohn> the file is used for the link you 2 are going to
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2294[20:09:40] <n4dir> acalycine: no need to try there. mixing repos is just plain wrong
2295[20:09:42] <jelly> acalycine, you probably made a typo trying to add i386 as foreign repo. dpkg --remove-architecture ie86
2296[20:09:46] <LilleJohn> i allways check how secure links are before using them
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2298[20:10:13] <acalycine> Works like a treat, jelly.
2299[20:10:21] <acalycine> Although I haven't tried adding that i386.
2300[20:10:22] <acalycine> Thanks.
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2303[20:10:53] <jelly> !next
2304[20:10:54] <dpkg> Another happy customer leaves the building.
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2309[20:11:49] <sypher> jelly: Wasn't aware you could select or remove architectures like that.
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2312[20:13:18] <LilleJohn> Anyhow, all who has used that link has given someone there ip adress..
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2314[20:13:58] <matec> hi
2315[20:14:09] <LilleJohn> hello
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2323[20:16:02] <LilleJohn> is it allways coming this many in the rom at the same time ?
2324[20:16:10] <LilleJohn> room*
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2337[20:19:54] <LilleJohn> "my brain hurts. Well we just have to take it out then" i am giving up for to day with the router editing
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2339[20:20:32] <jelly> sypher, that's how multiarch is configured
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2341[20:20:53] <sypher> jelly: Ah, that makes sense. I've never done multiarch, so I had no idea.
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2347[20:23:24] <LilleJohn> the script that i got for the router is set up so that my router may get bricked so its alot of work -_-
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2381[20:43:42] <BluesKaj> LilleJohn, yes it's a lot of work just for a greet page, you may want try a different method
2382[20:43:59] <BluesKaj> want to try
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2390[20:46:45] <gburcz> guys i have debian testing and dont know how to use gnome wayland / it looks like everything is installed but cant find in gdm3 menu gnome-shell-wayland
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2392[20:47:08] <sypher> gburcz: This channel focused on Debian stable. Testing support is in #debian-next on the OFTC network.
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2395[20:47:20] <gburcz> ok
2396[20:47:21] <teraflop> gburcz: by default gnome session does wayland
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2398[20:47:28] <teraflop> ^
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2401[20:47:36] <teraflop> gburcz: by default gnome session does wayland^
2402[20:47:38] <teraflop> xD
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2404[20:48:08] <teraflop> gburcz: and there's a menu entry for gnome with xorg backend
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2410[20:49:53] <gburcz> so gnome shell is now always in wayland in default?
2411[20:50:01] <gburcz> in debian testing?
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2434[20:56:03] <teraflop> gburcz: gdm ues wayland by default (you can change it) and ig you pick gnome-shell in the gdm menu it does wayland. but there's a gnome xorg menu entry just below
2435[20:56:20] <teraflop> uses/if^ sorry
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2452[21:07:59] <teraflop> ugh wait this is #debian :( wrong channel
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2653[22:37:33] <mikato> hi
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2660[22:41:20] <un214> Apparently there's no way to update a package when the upstream source tree has changed, but the version has not
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2710[23:08:30] <d3f4alt> eyo waddup
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2713[23:09:33] <KjetilK> I messed up a bit in a resize of a crypt system. I hope it is easier to fix the resizing than restore from backup...
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2715[23:10:02] <KjetilK> e2fsck -f /dev/mapper/owl-home_crypt
2716[23:10:05] <KjetilK> says
2717[23:10:30] <KjetilK> The filesystem size (according to the superblock) is 29884416 blocks
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2719[23:10:51] <KjetilK> The physical size of the device is 29633024 blocks
2720[23:11:40] <KjetilK> and I'm not quite sure what the physical size would be, it is such an onion :-)
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2723[23:12:35] <KjetilK> I've tried to use lvresize to make up for the difference, but it changes nothing
2724[23:13:12] <sn0wmonster> How does one go about getting their software considered for release in Debian distro?
2725[23:13:22] <sn0wmonster> Whether it be utilities, general applications or games?
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2732[23:15:09] <KjetilK> sn0wmonster, you can file an RFP: replaced-url
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2734[23:15:17] <sn0wmonster> ty
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2738[23:16:05] <KjetilK> but it gets into a veeery long list, so you would most likely need to start talking with Debian devs who might be interested in it
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2742[23:17:37] <Brigo> sn0wmonster, or you can package it yourself.
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2747[23:18:43] <sn0wmonster> Brigo: is there any special process to packaging it oneself?
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2752[23:20:33] <Brigo> sn0wmonster, yes, there is a policy
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2754[23:20:57] <Brigo> sn0wmonster, if interested ask in #debian-mentors in oftc network
2755[23:21:04] <sn0wmonster> ty!
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2757[23:21:35] <Brigo> sn0wmonster, from the topic: replaced-url
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