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• 55[00:26:48] <Azrael_-> hi
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• 58[00:27:15] <Azrael_-> i just installed mailman on jessie and ran into this error when trying to access the frontend: replaced-url
• 59[00:27:22] <Azrael_-> can you give me a hint how to solve it?
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• 110[01:06:38] <missmbob> i dont know how to fix it, but looking over that tutorial looks iffy. "perfect jessie" and they're using non-packaged certbot for no reason.
• 111[01:06:52] <missmbob> ,v certbot
• 112[01:06:53] <judd> Package: certbot on amd64 -- jessie-backports: 0.9.3-1~bpo8+2; stretch: 0.10.2-1; sid: 0.11.1-1; experimental: 0.12.0-1
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• 122[01:11:54] <neilthereildeil> how can i install npm on debian?
• 123[01:11:59] <neilthereildeil> apt-get npm doesnt show naything
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• 126[01:13:24] <missmbob> are you using wheezy? it's not in wheezy
• 127[01:13:27] <missmbob> ,v npm
• 128[01:13:28] <judd> Package: npm on amd64 -- stretch: 1.4.21+ds-2; jessie: 1.4.21+ds-2; sid: 1.4.21+ds-2
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• 130[01:14:13] <neilthereildeil> im using debian 7.11
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• 132[01:14:23] <missmbob> you need to upgrade to 8
• 133[01:14:40] <missmbob> !wheezy->jessie
• 134[01:14:41] <neilthereildeil> well RIGHT NOW, i need to get npm :)
• 135[01:14:57] <missmbob> it's in 8. not 7.11
• 136[01:15:17] <neilthereildeil> hmm is it in backports?
• 137[01:15:22] <missmbob> no
• 138[01:15:30] <neilthereildeil> would i have to build it then?
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• 141[01:15:56] <missmbob> i dont know anything about npm requirements. if wheezy even can handle it. *shrug*
• 142[01:16:00] <missmbob> but yes, you'd be on your own
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• 145[01:16:36] <hfp> Hi all, is there a LiveCD that has all the major recovery environments in one? I'm looking to have sysresccd, clonezilla, DBAN, etc all on one media that would be my ultimate recovery/maintenance tool.
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• 152[01:20:34] <autofsckk> hfp: have you tried this? replaced-url
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• 156[01:21:59] <ioudas> well so much for upgrading to jessie. that was a cluster
• 157[01:22:15] <missmbob> yeah, that was a rough one for a lot of people
• 158[01:22:27] <autofsckk> hfp: for instance, have you tried fsarchiver? for making backups is great
• 159[01:22:34] <ioudas> yeah i think imma just manually convert over to another distro
• 160[01:22:40] <ioudas> at this rate
• 161[01:23:29] <hfp> autofsckk: autofsckk yes, it's one of the things I want on my LiveCD. I'd like system rescue cd, clonezilla, and dban at aleast
• 162[01:23:30] <missmbob> neilthereildeil: speaking of which, even if you dont do it now, when you do, you should read these "issues" when upgrading to 8. replaced-url
• 163[01:23:38] <autofsckk> ioudas: im new in debian, it changed somehow?
• 164[01:23:47] <ioudas> yeah in 8 it got systemd
• 165[01:24:06] <autofsckk> hfp: ok so you are gonna love systemrescuecd really
• 166[01:24:12] <missmbob> and puppet broke. and apache broke. and php broke
• 167[01:24:25] <missmbob> upgrading really could be a cluster
• 168[01:24:28] <ioudas> i just tried a stock upgrade today and apache broke everywhere
• 169[01:24:35] <hfp> autofsckk: ha, let me try it
• 170[01:24:51] <autofsckk> ioudas: i was using systemd before, and hate it, i used archlinux for about 8 years, and now decided to change to debian and i dont like it too much
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• 175[01:25:19] <ioudas> i think im just never going to run anything from lenord pottering. its a shame as i think this is a farewell for debian for me.
• 176[01:25:30] <autofsckk> im trying to install a local lamp with mariadb, and i cant make it work yet
• 177[01:25:31] <ioudas> and ive been there from the start
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• 179[01:25:43] <ikbeneenheld> ioudas you are going void?
• 180[01:25:57] <autofsckk> ioudas: and what are you gonna give it a try now?
• 181[01:26:14] <ioudas> prob bsd and slack
• 182[01:26:44] <ioudas> was checking out devuan
• 183[01:27:13] <ioudas> prob will try it out tomorrow at work on a vm and migrate this to it if i can
• 184[01:27:18] <missmbob> devuan wouldnt have spared you your apache brakage
• 185[01:27:28] <ikbeneenheld> have you checked out void-linux it runs runit
• 186[01:27:34] <ioudas> it might of at least installed the correct libs
• 187[01:27:41] <ikbeneenheld> or are you using it for servers?
• 188[01:27:46] <autofsckk> the thing is that almost everybody is using systemd and very soon a lot of apps wont work without it
• 189[01:27:53] <ioudas> yeah primarily server
• 190[01:28:02] <ikbeneenheld> aa
• 191[01:28:10] <ikbeneenheld> shouldnt run void for servers
• 192[01:28:23] <ikbeneenheld> rolling release
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• 196[01:30:21] <autofsckk> ikbeneenheld: you use void? sounds very interesting
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• 199[01:30:42] <ikbeneenheld> i run it on a 1gb 1 core laptop
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• 201[01:30:45] <ikbeneenheld> and it runs well
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• 208[01:35:18] <autofsckk> ikbeneenheld: do they have a channel here in freenode?
• 209[01:35:32] <ikbeneenheld> yes they do
• 210[01:35:50] <ikbeneenheld> #voidlinux
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• 212[01:37:22] <autofsckk> thanks ikbeneenheld
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• 249[01:53:41] <Skaag> I have this USB Ethernet adapter and it works fine but it receives this really annoying name "enx70886b8186e4" how do I get the system to give it a simpler name?
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• 253[01:54:28] <Skaag> my on-board ethernet devices get enp2s0 and enp3s0 which is ok I guess (I still prefer eth0 and eth1 but hey, at least it's not enx70886b8186e4...!)
• 254[01:54:52] <missmbob> replaced-url
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• 258[01:57:38] <Skaag> thanks
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• 260[01:58:41] <missmbob> arch's wiki is an amazing resource, btw. always my goto
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• 268[02:02:11] <Skaag> Yah I keep hitting it at various times and using it, but it's not always clear what you're even supposed to be looking for... in this case, udev stuff...
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• 270[02:02:38] <Skaag> even then it's not super obvious, for example this page sends me to /sys/device/platform/etc... but I don't see my network devices there
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• 274[02:03:31] <Skaag> I mean /sys/devices/pci*/*/*/net/ has only two folders, both are for my onboard ethernet adapters
• 275[02:03:37] <Skaag> so the USB ethernet adapter is under some other path
• 276[02:03:49] <missmbob> oh. i didn't realize usb would be different
• 277[02:04:01] <Skaag> I found it
• 278[02:04:08] <Skaag> it's here: /sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:14.0/usb2/2-3/2-3:1.0/net/enx70886b8186e4
• 279[02:04:24] <Skaag> so now I need to make a rule to give it a sane name, here goes nothing...
• 280[02:04:54] <Skaag> (sane, meaning, predictable so I can plug in a replacement in case the first one dies, and I don't get some new name based on some serial number or something)
• 281[02:05:37] <Skaag> I ordered more of them, hopefully they will get here in the next few days so I can test and see if they get different names, or if they all get the same name because of some manufacturer serial number or something
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• 291[02:11:02] <magyar_> hi, is there a way to disable one of the external monitors during boot?
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• 298[02:18:28] <Skaag> what does that monitor show while your computer is booting?
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• 307[02:23:28] <MrBar> hi
• 308[02:24:17] <MrBar> i try to install i386 pkg on amd64, but all deps of package installed amd64
• 309[02:25:51] <magyar> is debian-next by invite only?
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• 314[02:28:48] <missmbob> magyar: it's on oftc, not freenode
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• 316[02:29:46] <magyar> thanks missmbob
• 317[02:30:34] <missmbob> magyar: would blanking both monitors while booting be okay?
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• 320[02:31:07] <magyar> missmbob: would like to see the boot screen on the main screen
• 321[02:31:27] <missmbob> i dont know how to do just one from term
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• 323[02:31:47] <jim> can I rm -rf a dir in /var/cache/apt-cacher-ng without screwing things up?
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• 326[02:32:24] <missmbob> jim: is apt-cache-ng still installed?
• 327[02:32:40] <jim> (someone moved their repo elsewhere) yes, still installed
• 328[02:33:06] <missmbob> jim: i'd think you'd be safe deleting everything *in* it, but i'd leave the folder
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• 333[02:34:54] <missmbob> so yes. i meant leave apt-cacher-ng folder
• 334[02:34:56] <jim> missmbob, I think what I was most afraid of, was if there was stuff elsewhere in that dir that "pointed" into the dir I want to delete... then I'd be left with dangling metadata
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• 336[02:35:21] <missmbob> jim: back it up. always
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• 339[02:35:40] <jim> oh, good plan
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• 360[02:43:53] <Vashta> hey
• 361[02:44:03] <Vashta> I've set up a Samba file share on my Debian 8 server (latest stable, all updateS)
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• 363[02:44:24] <Vashta> when I drag files across from my Windows 10 workstation to the file share I get a permissions error
• 364[02:44:36] <Vashta> I can view the disk, but not modify it
• 365[02:44:50] <Vashta> I have my username/password set in samba using smbpassword (or whatever the command was)
• 366[02:45:12] <Vashta> I set the /media/hdd (where the drive is mounted) with chmod -r 0777
• 367[02:45:18] <Vashta> any idea what the issue is?
• 368[02:45:30] <missmbob> Vashta: most of us here know nothing about samba. i suggest you try #samba
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• 372[02:46:21] <Vashta> thank you very much missmbob
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• 524[04:30:44] <Skaag> I have a problem with a network interface that doesn't automatically go up on its own when the remote device is alive again... any idea how to make it go live automatically?
• 525[04:31:00] <psychoticwarrior> ifconfig wlan0 up
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• 527[04:31:07] <psychoticwarrior> ip set wlan0 up
• 528[04:31:17] <Skaag> the interface is enp2s0 and it's an ethernet device
• 529[04:31:26] <Skaag> I have auto enp2s0 in /etc/network/interfaces
• 530[04:31:42] <psychoticwarrior> ip link set enp2s0 up
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• 532[04:31:49] <Skaag> on the other end is a raspberry pi, also connected via ethernet, running Raspbian (debian for pi)
• 533[04:31:51] <psychoticwarrior> try that
• 534[04:32:03] <Skaag> it's up currently
• 535[04:32:22] <Skaag> the problem is when the pi dies or is rebooted, enp2s0 loses its IP address
• 536[04:32:26] <Skaag> it's still up, just without an IP
• 537[04:32:50] <missmbob> Skaag: you want allow-hotplug
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• 539[04:33:10] <missmbob> instead of auto
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• 541[04:33:18] <Skaag> ah
• 542[04:33:28] <Skaag> instead or in addition to?
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• 544[04:34:36] <Skaag> because I notice higher up in the default interfaces file there's a section for eth0 (even though it doesn't exist on my system), with "allow-hotplug eth0", and right under that: "auto eth0"
• 545[04:35:38] <missmbob> Skaag: yeah, you're right. in addition to looks right
• 546[04:35:59] <Skaag> thanks for that
• 547[04:36:03] <Skaag> that must be it
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• 555[04:46:56] <autofsckk> hello im trying to install mariadb but i get this error replaced-url
• 556[04:47:54] <autofsckk> replaced-url
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• 558[04:48:57] <missmbob> autofsckk: yeah, that's where you went wrong. everyone i've seen use their repositories has crashed and burned. you need to use debian's
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• 560[04:49:10] <donofrio> how can I get libxslt to see libxml2 that is in /app/Utilities/libxml2 - cd /app/source/libxslt-1.1.29 && ./configure --prefix=/app/Utilities/libxslt --with-python=/app/Utilities/libxslt && make && make install
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• 562[04:49:36] <autofsckk> i think i also tried that and didnt work, had a different error but
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• 565[04:50:38] <missmbob> i'd use dpkg to force remove it, remove their repository, try debian's. if you cant figure out if there's an error then we can try to help. third party repositories we cant do much about
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• 568[04:52:15] <Skaag> missmbob: didn't help, the pi is now online again, and enp2s0 is up but without an IPv4 address
• 569[04:52:24] <Skaag> does have an IPv6 address though, for some strange reason
• 570[04:52:55] <autofsckk> missmbob: can you guide me a litte please? i understand what i have to do but im new on debian, so first i have to get rid of the repository on sources.list i guess, but how do i remove it? apt-get remove and thats it? anything else?
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• 574[04:53:35] <missmbob> Skaag: is the ipv4 static or dhcp? if dhcp can it be static?
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• 576[04:53:47] <Skaag> static
• 577[04:54:05] <Skaag> in interfaces I set: iface enp2s0 inet static
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• 580[04:54:12] <Skaag> followed by its address and netmask below
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• 582[04:54:29] <Skaag> I'm not sure what gave it an IPv6 address
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• 584[04:54:41] <missmbob> autofsckk: you'll probably have to do sudo dpkg --purge packagename for all the packages it tried installing.
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• 588[04:55:06] <missmbob> Skaag: starts with fe80, right?
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• 590[04:55:20] <Skaag> yes, inet6 fe80::4714:ddc1:4eb:e705 to be exact
• 591[04:55:45] <missmbob> Skaag: yeah that's link-local address only. it's not outside ip
• 592[04:56:04] <missmbob> Skaag: i dont know what's going on with your ipv4, though. hopefully someone else here will have a guess
• 593[04:56:09] <pacha> hi, I am using fglrx (ATI propietary driver) and I have an AMD HD 6770 card. Is the free driver better?
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• 595[04:56:46] <missmbob> fglrx is dead. so you should use the free driver if it works for you
• 596[04:57:43] <pacha> missmbob: I am aware, I am trying to switch to that one. should I apt-get remove --purge fglrx and install what package? I tried with xserver-xorg-ati (or something in those lines) but the xorg.conf file wasnt changed at all, is there a command to generate a config file?
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• 598[04:58:15] <pacha> I already read the wiki, still stuck
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• 600[04:58:22] <autofsckk> missmbob: and after that just apt-get install mariadb-server and thats it?
• 601[04:58:58] <missmbob> pacha: are you using jessie? in jessie the xorg file isn't needed in 99% of cases anymore. so just move it out of the way after you purge fglrx. oh and fglrx probably blacklisted the radeon driver
• 602[04:59:27] <missmbob> pacha: so look in /etc/modprobe.d/ and see if there's ati or fglrx or anything blacklist. remove it
• 603[04:59:30] <pacha> missmbob: yeah, Debian 8.7. how do I "whitelist" it? sorry for my newbieness.
• 604[04:59:54] <pacha> missmbob: thanks man, will bother you later if it fails.
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• 607[05:00:11] <missmbob> pacha: i'm heading to bed in a couple minutes. good luck though
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• 653[05:09:35] <johnflux> I'm trying to make a debian package and I have a service file that I need to install
• 654[05:09:47] <johnflux> but I can't figure out how to install the service file properly
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• 658[05:13:53] <Skaag> missmbob: looks like I have NetworkManager active on that machine, I researched a bit and found this interesting feature: replaced-url
• 659[05:13:58] <Skaag> I'm trying it now
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• 671[05:28:53] <pacha> missmbob: you still here?
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• 688[05:42:22] <Skaag> pacha: even heroes need to sleep sometimes :)
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• 690[05:42:46] <Skaag> johnflux: you mean in /etc/init.d/ ?
• 691[05:43:16] <Skaag> johnflux: why not copy it there, make sure it has the proper LSB header at the top, and then invoke update-rc.d on it?
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• 694[05:44:02] <Skaag> (I'm referring specifically to Default-Start and Default-Stop)
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• 708[05:57:54] <deltapi> I've been trying to find something in the discussion lists, but nothing is jumping up at me. Why does Stretch do away with ifconfig by default in a gui install?
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• 713[05:59:43] <pacha> Skaag: it works way better now, wanted to thank him. and also ask how do I check which driver I am using
• 714[06:00:33] <Skaag> pacha: you can check a few ways, the simplest is by looking at /var/log/Xorg.0.log
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• 718[06:01:18] <Skaag> you can also try running xdriinfo
• 719[06:01:30] <pacha> Skaag: thanks man
• 720[06:02:06] <johnflux> Skaag: hmm. I thought etc/init.d was for the old initd scripts
• 721[06:02:14] <johnflux> Skaag: I'm talking about a serviced file
• 722[06:02:38] <Skaag> ah, new style :)
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• 728[06:05:10] <pacha> Skaag: do you know when the next Debian testing will go into stable?
• 729[06:05:43] <Skaag> no idea, I'm very out of touch with it to be honest
• 730[06:06:20] <pacha> Debian Jessie's packages are gettign quite old
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• 733[06:06:49] <Skaag> I'm on stretch myself, on most of my hardware, works fine for me
• 734[06:06:57] <Skaag> depends what you need to do, of course
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• 736[06:07:25] <Skaag> that's always been an issue with debian, it's nothing new... when you need a desktop environment with bleeding edges stuff, debian isn't always the best choice :)
• 737[06:07:44] <Skaag> that's why some people go to Gentoo or even Ubuntu
• 738[06:08:40] <Skaag> I like that stability that debian offers with its packages, where stuff doesn't suddenly change on you and break stuff...
• 739[06:08:59] <pacha> That is the trade-off with old packages
• 740[06:09:02] <Skaag> yep
• 741[06:09:15] <pacha> most of the thing I use I compile them from source
• 742[06:09:19] <Skaag> when something is super important, it does get brought in, even backported
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• 744[06:11:32] <pacha> is Ubuntu considered an awful distribution?
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• 746[06:12:29] <Skaag> not for me, I think it's an awesome distro
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• 748[06:12:59] <Skaag> I have tons of servers that run on ubuntu
• 749[06:13:11] <pacha> I will probably switch to Stretch
• 750[06:13:46] <Skaag> I use it on hardware devices, it works well
• 751[06:13:52] <pacha> thanks man for everything, good night
• 752[06:14:02] <Skaag> they fixed things I didn't even complain about so I'm happy ;)
• 753[06:14:08] <pacha> last time it broke everything, couldnt even boot to tty
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• 755[06:14:20] <pacha> but this was last year, probably works better now
• 756[06:14:27] <Skaag> for sure.
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• 779[06:32:29] <n3o> can anyone tell me how to get nftables to load a ruleset at boot
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• 781[06:32:49] <n3o> running sid
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• 785[06:33:36] <n3o> but i am sure that it is no different on jessie
• 786[06:34:45] <n3o> anyone?
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• 797[06:43:10] <missmbob> n3o sudo systemctl enable nftables will load on boot /etc/nftables.conf
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• 800[06:44:11] <missmbob> Skaag: probably late august. that's my guess anyway. replaced-url
• 801[06:44:42] <missmbob> Skaag: i dont know anything about network-manager. though now it makes sense that interfaces file wasn't making sense
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• 803[06:45:54] <Atm0spher1c> lame question but how can I make wicd and interfaces(5) play nicely?
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• 806[06:46:16] <Atm0spher1c> if i kill wicd, i cant connect using just ifup interface.
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• 808[06:46:46] <Atm0spher1c> ip says its connected but I can't ping anything
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• 812[06:47:24] <missmbob> Atm0spher1c: your interfaces is supposed to only have lo if you're using wicd
• 813[06:47:40] <missmbob> Atm0spher1c: replaced-url
• 814[06:47:45] <Atm0spher1c> hmm, but wicd works fine on fresh reboot
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• 822[06:50:51] <Atm0spher1c> yeah note says its fine to have wireless interface in interfaces conf file
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• 824[06:51:44] <missmbob> now optional and not required
• 825[06:51:55] <missmbob> so you just dont want to use wicd interface?
• 826[06:52:14] <Atm0spher1c> yes but keep it installed
• 827[06:52:33] <Atm0spher1c> im managing another machine, so i don't want to remove it.
• 828[06:52:39] <Atm0spher1c> for someone else
• 829[06:53:00] <Atm0spher1c> lame, i know
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• 847[07:06:12] <awal1> when i open a link like this with firefox replaced-url
• 848[07:06:47] <awal1> what are those strange characters in title bar/video title?
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• 850[07:08:10] <awal1> just a matter of curiosity bcoz I get same thng in other websites sometimes
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• 852[07:08:35] <awal1> I was refering to 👽🌎
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• 854[07:09:52] <missmbob> awal1: this isn't a complete list...replaced-url
• 855[07:10:32] <awal1> missmbob, ok, thanks
• 856[07:11:46] <awal1> if I duckduckgo 👽🌎 I get an alian emoji/emiticon or I don't know how to call it replaced-url
• 857[07:11:48] <awal1> :)
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• 859[07:12:52] <awal1> nvm, I understood now (missmbob link)
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• 893[07:38:32] <fignut> I'm trying to get my HP printer working under Debian. I've installed cups and hplip and I can see the printer via usb connection, after setting it up in cups, I try a test page but get a "filter error". Am I missing anything? Running Debian Stretch, Printer is HP LaserJet Pro MFP M26nw (hplip shows LaserJet Pro MFP M126nw as driver).
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• 907[07:48:47] <abff> ,v nouveau
• 908[07:48:48] <judd> No package named 'nouveau' was found in amd64.
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• 910[07:49:12] <missmbob> ,i xserver-xorg-video-nouveau
• 911[07:49:13] <judd> Package xserver-xorg-video-nouveau (x11, optional) in jessie/amd64: X.Org X server -- Nouveau display driver. Version: 1:1.0.11-1; Size: 304.0k; Installed: 499k; Homepage: replaced-url
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• 913[07:51:19] <missmbob> fignut: i dont see mfp m26 as supported by hplip replaced-url
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• 917[07:55:35] <johnflux> Why is the libpng16 package called: libpng16-16 ?
• 918[07:55:50] <johnflux> I'm trying to work out if it's correct for my package to depend on "libpng16-16"
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• 922[07:56:19] <johnflux> ,v libpng16-16
• 923[07:56:20] <judd> Package: libpng16-16 on amd64 -- sid: 1.6.28-1; stretch: 1.6.28-1; experimental: 1.6.29-1
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• 940[08:12:41] <Aeo> Atm0spher1c, what happens?
• 941[08:12:50] <Aeo> oops, was scrolled up
• 942[08:12:53] <Aeo> my bad
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• 970[08:23:05] <confrey> hi everybody
• 971[08:23:08] <fignut> missmbob: HP's whole naming system is confusing and stupid. That model shows up as LaserJet Pro MFP M25-27 on their website, and I had another HP printer LaserJet Pro MFP M130fw that shows up as m129-m134..
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• 977[08:24:30] <confrey> I'm trying to use a debian testing installation, I have two problems : LibreOffice don't open files on a ssh server, the second : trying to use compiz, I miss the gtk-window-decorator component
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• 985[08:27:20] <confrey> Aeo, I can use all files on remote computer (a smaller notebook I use only out of home) by mounting it in PCManFM, I can browse directory and copy and paste files; only LibreOffice gives me an error about I/O error while reading from gvfs
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• 991[08:29:58] <Aeo> confrey, does it work when you use sshfs without going through the indirecetion of gvfs
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• 997[08:32:31] <confrey> Aeo, I didn't know sshfs, I'll try that
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• 1017[08:47:57] <confrey> trying to use sshfs, I have this directory : d?????????? ? ? ? ? ? dario-Yoga
• 1018[08:48:47] <confrey> whatìs happening? I've mount the remote dir with sshfs, but it was not readble; then I have this as local mount point and now I can't delete it
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• 1024[08:52:29] <jelly> confrey: you don't have permissions to look at that the contents of the folder that file resides in. Perhaps it's missing +x
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• 1026[08:53:31] <jelly> confrey: use "fusermount -u /path/to/mountpoint" to umount fuse-based mountpoints like sshfs
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• 1033[08:58:54] <confrey> jelly, I did it; the remote resource is not mounted anymore, but the mount point is not accessible
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• 1037[09:00:17] <jelly> confrey: did it succeed? You need to do it as the same user that did the mounting (that ran sshfs)
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• 1040[09:01:25] <jelly> confrey: show the output of "ls -ld /absolute/path/to/mount/point" and "df /absolute/path/to/mount/point"
• 1041[09:01:32] <confrey> I can't read as user, neither as root
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• 1043[09:02:04] <jelly> that usually means umount did not really work
• 1044[09:02:33] <confrey> I haven't tha mount point in df result
• 1045[09:02:35] <jelly> not being able to access as root is normal.
• 1046[09:02:45] <jelly> SHOW, don't tell
• 1047[09:03:04] <jelly> !paste
• 1048[09:03:04] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: replaced-url
• 1049[09:03:06] <confrey> how may I show, there are more lines
• 1050[09:03:12] <confrey> ok
• 1051[09:03:31] <jelly> there is just one relevant line of output for each of those two commands
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• 1055[09:05:00] <Guest37422> filezilla is giving me permissions denied on SFTP
• 1056[09:05:12] <confrey> replaced-url
• 1057[09:05:15] <Guest37422> Do I have to allow root login
• 1058[09:05:25] <Guest37422> Or can I change the non-sudo file permissions for a user?
• 1059[09:05:27] <confrey> jelly, replaced-url
• 1060[09:05:37] <confrey> jelly, and, many thanks
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• 1064[09:07:16] <jelly> confrey: so the mountpoint for that sshfs was actually "/media/dario-Yoga" ?
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• 1066[09:07:42] <confrey> jelly, solved, I used fusemount -u as dario user and now the mount point is clean
• 1067[09:07:45] <confrey> but
• 1068[09:08:07] <confrey> I have changed the fuse.conf line allowing other user
• 1069[09:08:13] <confrey> now I try again
• 1070[09:08:18] <jelly> okay. Note that's what I told you to do 7 minutes ago
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• 1072[09:09:30] <jelly> you do not need to edit config files tho, sshfs allows command line options including fuse options, like "sshfs -o reconnect,allow_root server:/path /mount/point"
• 1073[09:10:06] <jelly> [9:04] ~ => sshfs -o allow_root,reconnect,idmap=user,gid=1000 kanta.nn:/d/mp3 mnt/kanta
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• 1079[09:11:15] <confrey> jelly, excuse me, sometime I am a bit confusing about
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• 1086[09:12:15] <jelly> np. It's important to be precise following the instructions when you're getting help online. If you're not sure what we're asking you to do, ask for clarification
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• 1089[09:13:26] <confrey> jelly, it's right
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• 1091[09:14:05] <confrey> now I have a secondary problem, I can't follow symbolic links on remote directories
• 1092[09:14:16] <jelly> that's how symlinks always work.
• 1093[09:14:31] <jelly> if you need the
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• 1096[09:15:08] <jelly> m to work over a remote mount, make sure to use relative symlinks, and mount all the filesystems containing them
• 1097[09:15:12] <tx> soft links store a reference to the path to the target resource
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• 1099[09:15:14] <confrey> but if I use the server remote mounting provided by PCManFM and Caja I can see right icons and follw symbolic links
• 1100[09:15:33] <jelly> show an example.
• 1101[09:15:36] <tx> (that is why they do not work on network shares, typically, unless the structure of the mount / path is the same)
• 1102[09:15:50] <jelly> ls -l /path/to/some/symlink
• 1103[09:16:18] <jelly> and ls -l /where/you/expect/the/symlink/to/point
• 1104[09:16:39] <confrey> ok
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• 1106[09:17:13] <jelly> if fact, use ls -ld for both.
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• 1109[09:17:30] <jelly> in* fact (I can't type today)
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• 1112[09:18:03] <tx> Same, coffee has made it worse. :(
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• 1116[09:18:28] <confrey> may be I understood
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• 1118[09:19:59] <confrey> I have the symbolic links on the remote system pointing to destinations as they belong to the local system, but there are existing on it
• 1119[09:20:20] <confrey> lrwxrwxrwx 1 dario dario 21 gen 2 18:01 /media/dario-Yoga/Documenti -> /media/dati/Documenti
• 1120[09:20:52] <confrey> this is the symlink on the remote noteb, but I see it as if it is a local symlink, is it normal?
• 1121[09:21:12] <jelly> symlinks ALWAYS get interpreted locally
• 1122[09:21:42] <confrey> of course I haven't a /media/dati/Documenti in my local noteb, it exists in remote noteb and I need to access it
• 1123[09:21:57] <jelly> then you have to mount /media/dati as well
• 1124[09:22:24] <jelly> or, alternatively, mount the root / of the remote system, and make all those remote symlinks relative
• 1125[09:23:18] <confrey> so have I to mount the remote /media/dati too... but that operation will exlude the local /media/dati already mounted on local system; how get I a workaround for this?
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• 1128[09:23:45] <jelly> avoid using same mountpoints with different data? :-)
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• 1130[09:23:58] <jelly> or, mount the root / of the remote system, and make all those remote symlinks relative
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• 1136[09:25:28] <confrey> jelly, I appreciate your patience, very much, but I don't understand about 'symlinks relative', what is a relative symlink
• 1137[09:25:34] <jelly> so eg. sshfs remote:/ /media/remote; ls -ld /media/remote/home/dario/Documenti
• 1138[09:26:02] <jelly> lrwxrwxrwx 1 dario dario 21 gen 2 18:01 /media/remote; ls -ld /media/remote/home/dario/Documenti -> ../../media/dati/Documenti
• 1139[09:26:33] <ackb> confrey, maybe a symlink using a relative path such as '../bin' instead of an absolute one like '/usr/bin' ?
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• 1141[09:27:14] <jelly> confrey: so inside /home/dario (on the remote system), delete the current symlink, and make "ln -s ../../media/dati/Documenti" instead
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• 1143[09:28:15] <confrey> jelly, interesting, I'll try now
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• 1145[09:28:56] <jelly> this is just for convenience.
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• 1149[09:30:24] <jelly> if you mount remote:/ with sshfs, you'll be able to access /media/remote/media/dati/Documenti directly as well
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• 1156[09:32:16] <confrey> jelly, yes, I did it, you guys are a really precious resource
• 1157[09:32:26] <confrey> many thanks
• 1158[09:32:52] <confrey> first problem solved, I can open a calc doc with libreoffice on the remote directory
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• 1160[09:34:11] <confrey> now I really like ot use compiz on this lxde DE, but it seems gtk-window-decorator is missing, and I can't find any pkg about for testing
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• 1164[09:37:08] <jelly> judd: file bin/gtk-window-decorator --release stretch
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• 1166[09:37:12] <judd> Search for bin/gtk-window-decorator in stretch/amd64: compiz-gnome: usr/bin/gtk-window-decorator
• 1167[09:37:48] <jelly> !search
• 1168[09:37:48] <dpkg> Please search for things rather than just asking, e.g. «apt-cache search regex», or with <aptitude search>. The following ways can locate packages that own a file (installed, or candidate for install): «dpkg -S /bin/foo», <apt-file>, <pdo> (online) and «/msg judd help file» (bot). <search dpkg> for factoids. See replaced-url
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• 1170[09:39:43] <confrey> jelly, OK, understood....
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• 1187[09:54:05] <jelly> confrey: you can ask the bots about stuff in private, eg. "/msg judd file gtk-window-decorator" or "/msg dpkg apt-file"
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• 1190[09:54:38] <confrey> jelly, perfect, thanks
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• 1196[09:57:28] <heller__> hey
• 1197[09:57:41] <heller__> How can i see which ip is a ssh-tunnel made from?
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• 1202[09:59:33] <volter> heller__: netstat or lsof
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• 1204[10:00:04] <jolt> heller__: netstat -anpt|grep :22
• 1205[10:00:45] <Stummi> heller__, echo $SSH_CONNECTION
• 1206[10:00:54] <Stummi> (assuming you are within the ssh tunnel)
• 1207[10:00:55] <heller__> i do know what port is it using
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• 1209[10:01:13] <heller__> im on the host where the device is connecting to
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• 1213[10:02:35] <heller__> jolt: that seems to show something, but it shows too many
• 1214[10:02:53] <heller__> i need to know what ip is a certain ssh-tunnel made from
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• 1216[10:03:51] <jolt> heller__: Well, then there are a lot of ssh connections, hard for me to know which ones are relevant I'm afraid
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• 1218[10:04:40] <heller__> jolt: is is possible to see which of the "netstat -anp|grep :22" is making a certain port locally?
• 1219[10:04:41] <jolt> heller__: If you know the user, then use "w <user>" and it will show where they logged in from
• 1220[10:04:46] <heller__> same user
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• 1224[10:06:44] <gardy> any idea, is there any hard drive surface testing tool for cli?
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• 1226[10:07:41] <jolt> gardy: Isn't that part of SMART?
• 1227[10:07:50] <gardy> hmm does it?
• 1228[10:07:57] <jelly> heller__: you probably want to first find the port forward, identify the process that opened it, then identify which remote connection that user came from
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• 1230[10:08:56] <heller__> jelly: and fint it how? :)
• 1231[10:09:09] <jolt> gardy: I think so. smartctl from smartmontools
• 1232[10:09:14] <heller__> find*
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• 1235[10:09:24] <jelly> heller__: maybe by grepping for the forwarded port first, not 22
• 1236[10:09:53] <jolt> gardy: then you can run an extensive self test and see if it reports something. There are probably other software that I don't know about as well
• 1237[10:10:26] <jelly> s/forwarded/tunneled/ if you will
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• 1240[10:10:44] <jelly> heller__: how do you know there's a tunnel at all?
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• 1242[10:10:55] <heller__> jelly: because the device behind the tunnel is working
• 1243[10:11:10] <heller__> i know there is a 127.0.0.1:12000 open
• 1244[10:11:19] <heller__> but i need to know where is it coming from
• 1245[10:11:30] <jelly> heller__: so find out which process opened a listener on 127.0.0.1:12000
• 1246[10:11:34] <jelly> or *:12000
• 1247[10:11:50] <jolt> gardy: there is something called diskscan among the packages that might be useful. Haven't tried it. I just did "apt search drive test"
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• 1249[10:12:02] <jelly> that would be the first step
• 1250[10:12:32] <n3o> anybody know why solydx was changed to a stable version from the old rolling release?
• 1251[10:12:41] <jelly> what's solydx?
• 1252[10:12:58] <gardy> jolt, yep there is some, i just trying to find that what makes the job :)
• 1253[10:13:03] <n3o> version of debian
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• 1255[10:13:27] <jelly> n3o: there was never a release of debian called like that
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• 1257[10:13:40] <jelly> !solydx
• 1258[10:13:41] <dpkg> SolydX is a GNU/Linux distribution <based on debian> with the XFCE desktop environment. It is not supported in #debian, use #solydxk on irc.freenode.net instead. replaced-url
• 1259[10:14:04] <jelly> ah, it's a derivative distro. Ask in their channel, n3o
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• 1261[10:14:24] <n3o> jelly: replaced-url
• 1262[10:14:26] <jolt> There must be soooo many derived versions these days
• 1263[10:14:54] <jelly> they are not Debian, however
• 1264[10:15:51] <cammie> i have a networking question. if i use 20 usb wifi adapters and attatch them to a single server, will i be able to use a genuine unique nic / mac in a vm environment or on a hypervisor managing 20 paralells
• 1265[10:16:17] <gardy> it is WLAN
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• 1269[10:17:11] <gardy> but sure, if these adapters laying in usb 2.0 ports, then their speed isnt any great :)
• 1270[10:17:27] <cammie> i have access to 3 wired / wireless network configs
• 1271[10:17:28] <cammie> and ye
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• 1273[10:17:46] <cammie> per 1 server
• 1274[10:17:52] <dokma> Shouldn't this block all connections from an IP?
• 1275[10:17:57] <dokma> iptables -L -n --line-numbers | grep 46.229.168.65
• 1276[10:18:03] <dokma> 11 REJECT all -- 46.229.168.65 0.0.0.0/0 reject-with icmp-port-unreachable
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• 1278[10:18:22] <jolt> dokma: In the INPUT chain?
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• 1280[10:19:06] <dokma> my bad... it was in the fail2ban-postfix
• 1281[10:19:35] <jolt> np
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• 1284[10:20:46] <cammie> ??
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• 1288[10:23:49] <cammie> im just going to buy them and hope this works lol
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• 1293[10:25:38] <OS-chec> a
• 1294[10:25:39] <cammie> #join quebes
• 1295[10:25:42] <cammie> oops
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• 1297[10:25:50] <OS-chec> !tophat
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• 1306[10:30:01] <gardy> how i get that cli semigraphical interface for managing LVM what we have on debian installer?
• 1307[10:30:24] <gardy> dpkg -reconfigure *what*?
• 1308[10:30:26] <dpkg> gardy: no idea
• 1309[10:30:35] <gardy> xD
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• 1336[10:50:08] <gardy> any help? :o
• 1337[10:51:14] <bazhang> with what
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• 1343[10:54:17] <gardy> how i get that cli semigraphical interface for managing LVM what we have on debian installer?
• 1344[10:54:38] <gardy> and i mean that text based installer
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• 1346[10:54:57] <Rico> hello
• 1347[10:55:12] <Rico> what is the correct syntax to add comments to a file in /etc/apt/preferences.d/ ?
• 1348[10:55:20] <jelly> gardy: I think the whole partition editor thing is only part of the installer code, there's no standalone equivalent
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• 1350[10:55:31] <gardy> :/
• 1351[10:55:33] <Rico> #comment does not seem to work, I got an error when doing an apt-get
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• 1353[10:56:03] <jelly> Rico: man apt_preferences
• 1354[10:56:05] <gardy> that really is handy tool for lvm managment
• 1355[10:56:14] <jelly> see if it says anything about comments, Rico
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• 1358[10:57:34] <Rico> thanks jelly, found it
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• 1430[11:59:48] <andyjpb> hello
• 1431[11:59:59] <andyjpb> I've just upgraded my Lenovo X240 from Wheezy to Jessie
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• 1433[12:00:08] <andyjpb> I'm running XFce4 and XScreensaver
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• 1436[12:00:29] <andyjpb> when the screensaver is active for a long period when I try to revive the machine the screen shows black
• 1437[12:00:34] <andyjpb> the pointer is rendered but nothing els
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• 1440[12:00:58] <andyjpb> the pointer seems trapped towards the middle of the screen consistent with the Xscreensaver dialogbox being active
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• 1442[12:01:09] <andyjpb> if I type the password that goes away and I can move the pointer all around the screen
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• 1444[12:01:17] <andyjpb> but everything else is still black
• 1445[12:01:34] <andyjpb> if I switch to a VT and kill xscreensaver and switch back it does not resolve the problem
• 1446[12:01:48] <andyjpb> I have to restart the xserver to recover it
• 1447[12:02:00] <andyjpb> does anyone have any ideas how I can debug this futher and/or fix it?
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• 1449[12:03:32] <andyjpb> the wifi here is flaky. If I fall off I'll be back!
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• 1506[12:37:26] <Eryn_1983_FL> hi peeps
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• 1509[12:37:43] <Eryn_1983_FL> so I am having an issue with /puppet/fuse/sshfs/mounts/fml
• 1510[12:38:09] <Eryn_1983_FL> my puppetmaster is remounting my sshfs shares i have added to it..
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• 1512[12:38:28] <Eryn_1983_FL> its making lots of errors and making my system freeze up
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• 1514[12:39:01] <Eryn_1983_FL> is there a way i can write something to forse sshfs remounts to fail ok?
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• 1516[12:39:20] <Eryn_1983_FL> i dont understand why its trying to remount in the first place, the drive is mounted leave it alone..
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• 1539[12:49:19] <Ryu> So it turned out my server was compromised due to IP theft
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• 1541[12:49:23] <Guest96763> Wasn't even aware that was possible
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• 1558[12:56:48] <blackflow> Guest96763: ?
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• 1560[12:57:20] <Guest96763> blackflow: I submitted a ticket and they said it was compromised due to IP theft
• 1561[12:57:37] <blackflow> Guest96763: the solusvm issue from yesterday?
• 1562[12:57:42] <Guest96763> Yeah
• 1563[12:57:57] <Guest96763> They gave me a fresh new server to avoid any further issues
• 1564[12:58:02] <blackflow> more like incompetence on the host side
• 1565[12:58:38] <blackflow> someone consulted the BOfH list of excuses and the dart hit "IP theft"
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• 1568[12:59:00] <Guest96763> Possibly, but luckily I wasn't running anything super important on it
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• 1570[12:59:15] <blackflow> except password
• 1571[12:59:58] <blackflow> you also used passwords to log in via ssh, so if you're sharing it with any other machines/services, it's time to change everything
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• 1574[13:00:51] <blackflow> I'd also hasten the migration to another host if I were you (though if I'd never use solusvm to begin with).
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• 1577[13:02:19] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
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• 1591[13:06:54] <g0zzy> Can't try this right now unfortunately but can you do telinit 3 on Jessie to go out of graphical and into multi-user?
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• 1593[13:07:33] <andyjpb> for my X bug?
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• 1609[13:13:22] <g0zzy> I just answered my own question: no
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• 1611[13:15:30] <g0zzy> But one of the big points that was pushed about systemd is that it makes services and their deps predictable and controllable. So it should be easy to 'telinit 3' shouldn't it. Just have to find the right runes
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• 1617[13:19:59] <jelly> !nodm
• 1618[13:20:00] <dpkg> In systemd, "systemctl set-default multi-user.target", or remove the DM package(s) with "aptitude remove gdm3 kdm lightdm lxdm nodm sddm slim wdm xdm". "echo false >/etc/X11/default-display-manager" will also disable the DM, or just hit ctrl-alt-fN to get to a console. nodm is the name of a minimal/automatic display manager (replaced-url
• 1619[13:21:09] <g0zzy> Actually it does invoke - it's just so badly broken. It takes down the network for one thing
• 1620[13:21:50] <g0zzy> jelly: But i don't _want_ to remove my DM thanks ;)
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• 1623[13:23:11] <g0zzy> I just want to toggle at will with one command like i used to be able to with sysvinit. Should be much _easier_ under systemd - right?
• 1624[13:23:45] <blackflow> g0zzy: systemd's variant of telinit is systemctl isolate. Moar info: replaced-url
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• 1626[13:24:28] <g0zzy> blackflow: Thanks. Just tried that too. BlackOUT
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• 1629[13:25:31] <g0zzy> .. as in i lose my display entirely (i don't go to a console) and i lose my network connection or at least my ssh connection to the box
• 1630[13:25:40] <blackflow> g0zzy: hit a key, the console login has a sort of screensaver
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• 1633[13:26:55] <blackflow> eh if you're doing this over the network, not sure that'd work. you're using X over ssh?
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• 1640[13:28:48] <g0zzy> I just plugged in a keyboard into the box. I can see a black screen with a flashing caret up at the top left.
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• 1642[13:29:05] <jelly> g0zzy: that's why there are 3-4 options listed by dpkg?
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• 1644[13:30:16] <missmbob> g0zzy: so are you looking at tty9? i think it's 9. that's what the dm attaches to. can you alt+arrow ?
• 1645[13:30:45] <g0zzy> "systemctl isolate multi-user.target (OR systemctl isolate runlevel3.target OR telinit 3) " == "Change to multi-user run level. "
• 1646[13:30:52] <g0zzy> missmbob: Shall try
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• 1653[13:33:43] <g0zzy> missmbob: yes, thanks - that worked. Needless to say that shouldn't be necessary. ifconfig shows me that 'telinit' has taken the network down.
• 1654[13:34:38] <missmbob> g0zzy: also for your ssh problem, try using mosh. it's really useful for wifi or any situation when you can have dropped packets and keeps your ssh connection alive
• 1655[13:34:54] <missmbob> g0zzy: replaced-url
• 1656[13:35:30] <missmbob> g0zzy: oh, the whole network? not just ssh?
• 1657[13:35:55] <g0zzy> yes. It's taken everything but lo down
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• 1659[13:37:19] <blackflow> g0zzy: perhaps because those were managed by NM, does NM run in multi-user.target?
• 1660[13:37:48] <g0zzy> You're probably right
• 1661[13:38:18] <modles> Hey all
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• 1667[13:40:02] <g0zzy> blackflow: how would i find out if NM does btw?
• 1668[13:40:16] <modles> does anything look weird about this lsusb output? I have no usb input, mouse/keyboar / usb drive not working, replaced-url
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• 1670[13:41:06] <blackflow> g0zzy: I suppose pgrep -ai network
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• 1673[13:42:06] <g0zzy> blackflow: ah no - i mean by dependency graphing
• 1674[13:42:09] <blackflow> g0zzy: then again, if you don't manually set up interfaces (even for dhcp) in /etc/network/interfaces* then NM probably manages them for graphical environments.
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• 1676[13:42:23] <blackflow> g0zzy: eh I'm not that versatile with systemctl
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• 1680[13:43:20] <g0zzy> Don't worry. Sucks bigtime, this kind of thing
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• 1682[13:43:30] <modles> how can i verify that usb is all working and happy, drivers wise etc?
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• 1696[13:51:37] <g0zzy> >>In systemd, "systemctl set-default multi-user.target"
• 1697[13:51:37] <g0zzy> So i'm wondering whether that would actually work without breaking the network
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• 1699[13:52:37] <jelly> I honestly do not know if NetworkManager fires up when you log in at the console
• 1700[13:52:52] <jelly> there's nmcli to configure things
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• 1702[13:53:21] <jelly> try it and see
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• 1704[13:54:29] <missmbob> it does if you go to edit connections->select connection->edit->automatically connect to this network when it is available *and* all users may connect to this network
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• 1710[13:54:56] <jelly> and if it fails you have options. There's the legacy Debian thing that is ifupdown and /etc/network/interfaces, there's systemd-networkd (sp?)
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• 1733[13:58:53] <blackflow> g0zzy: I'd start with setting up the network via /etc/network/interfaces.d/<your-nic-name>, as NM shouldn't touch those interfaces
• 1734[13:59:12] <g0zzy> >> it does if you go to edit connections->select connection->edit->automatically connect to this network when it is available *and* all users may connect to this network
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• 1736[13:59:25] <g0zzy> You mean that should bring up the network?
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• 1739[13:59:40] <missmbob> i think so. i dont use nm. give it a shot
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• 1742[14:00:42] <g0zzy> I think the moral of the story is that stuff is too broken to 'toggle' between having/not having a desktop
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• 1745[14:01:03] <blackflow> g0zzy: NM manages interfaces not manually set via /etc/network/interfaces* afaik, so if you have it set up there, NM won't touch it and, at least I think, won't bring them down when switching to runlevel 3
• 1746[14:01:28] <missmbob> blackflow: depending on nm's config. default is to ignore interfaces iirc
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• 1748[14:02:11] <g0zzy> Yes, there's a NM policy. Same actors, same mess
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• 1763[14:16:17] <g0zzy> Thanks for the support folks
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• 1776[14:22:41] <two> FOR THOSE THAT HAVENT SEEN IT: JASON BANDY'S EFNET NEWS EPISODE 18 IS OUT: replaced-url
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• 1799[14:34:19] <Samsa_> hi. I need to buy a new (ord old) laptop. could anyone recommend a decent laptop with hardware that works well with debian?
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• 1807[14:37:17] <jelly> Samsa_: what's your budget
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• 1809[14:37:55] <jelly> and do you have objections to having to use non-free firmware
• 1810[14:38:16] <jelly> which is not part of debian (at least, not by default)
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• 1816[14:42:56] <FreddyP> I got a used lenovo thiinkpad for £200 runs debian like a charm
• 1817[14:43:22] <kashaka> What was the name of that game that improves short term memory? Blink, Blinx, Blint?
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• 1819[14:43:57] <FreddyP> kashaka: i forgot
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• 1821[14:45:10] <jelly> lol
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• 1827[14:46:23] <Stummi> Samsa_, if you were happy with your thinkpad, just buy a new (old) one? They are generally popular among linux users
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• 1830[14:46:48] <jelly> I also got a refurb T420s thinkpad for $250
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• 1833[14:47:44] <jelly> but I'm fussy about keyboard layouts and trackpoint
• 1834[14:47:46] <Stummi> T420 here (without s)
• 1835[14:48:12] <FreddyP> thats the one i got for 200
• 1836[14:48:20] <uniTosch> T440s with fhd screen is about twice that much. might need iwlwifi from non-free, though.
• 1837[14:48:36] <andyjpb> yeah. almost all the new thinkpads need that firmware
• 1838[14:49:03] <Samsa_> jellly, stummi: had a thinkpad over 10 years ago, loved it, now I've got a compaq... that is not that great. ok,, but maybe I will check out the new thinkpad models. but i've also heard they easily overheat etc, (like thinkpad edge,, etc)
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• 1840[14:49:38] <Stummi> Samsa_, stay with the T-Series
• 1841[14:49:41] <Samsa_> jelly, stummi: my budget is around 3000 swedish :-,,, thats maybe around 300 euro
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• 1843[14:50:01] <Samsa_> stummi,, allright,,, will check my local "dealers"
• 1844[14:50:10] <Stummi> Samsa_, should be easy to get a T420 with some upgrades with that
• 1845[14:50:23] <jelly> right, an ssd and 8-16 GB RAM
• 1846[14:50:33] <jelly> makes a very nice machine
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• 1849[14:51:35] <Samsa_> that model might be above my budget... maybe I can find a second hand / used one
• 1850[14:52:09] <jelly> you can _only_ get used ones. Those are 2011 models.
• 1851[14:52:38] <Samsa_> im on a compaq 6q61 at the moment anyway,,, and it will die any second.
• 1852[14:52:45] <Samsa_> jelly, ok.
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• 1857[14:54:31] <FreddyP> Samsa: The only upgrade I did on my T420 was to put an SSD in it
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• 1862[14:55:27] <Stummi> Internal SSD, 16GB RAM, replaced the DVD Drive with a HDD Adapter and 2TB HDD
• 1863[14:55:33] <jelly> and it can take a mSATA ssd in addition to a normal SATA device
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• 1869[14:57:36] <g0zzy> I've a vague recollection that jessie broke apache2 configuration per wheezy. Could someone kindly give me a clue as to why a site i just configured doesn't appear when i do a2ensite?
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• 1873[14:59:16] <Samsa_> dammit,,, I really hate all the options. and on top of that Im not really sure I should get a laptop... maybe a desktop computer would suit my needs better. which desktop computer got best support for debian? I dont like to mess around with hardware etc,,, just want it to work.
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• 1877[15:00:09] <g0zzy> Got it: the file has to end in .conf now. Grr
• 1878[15:00:13] <jelly> Samsa_: that's a tough question. In general, pick a hardware platform that's at least 1 generation behind, possibly with intel onboard gpu.
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• 1881[15:00:46] <Samsa_> jelly, good advice, thanks
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• 1883[15:01:19] <jelly> investigate details by looking up possible machines on google, results with "lspci" outputs and what other users say worked on linux and what they had problems with
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• 1892[15:02:46] <jelly> g0zzy: it's very likely changes like these are documented in Release Notes
• 1893[15:02:52] <jelly> !jessie release notes
• 1894[15:02:52] <dpkg> Release notes for Debian 8 "Jessie" are at replaced-url
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• 1924[15:20:08] <dannysantos> i am connecting through ssh to server. my rsa key has a password. when i connected the first time on my debian to a ssh server it asked for a password through a fullscreen gui. now it doesn't asks anymore for the password. I would like it to ask for a password everytime. how can I achieve this? Thank you
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• 1928[15:22:02] <psusi> does anyone know how to get in touch with the admins of lists.alioth.debian.org? I've been missing a lot of mail to parted-devel lately, and the web site says to contact mailman@, but that is being bounced with 550 administrative prohibition
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• 1938[15:28:43] <Samsa_> ok, I think a gonna go with a thinkpad. found a second hand dealer. they got both T420, T430 and T530; is the hardware support equal in all these models (i.e for the debian), or is the hardware support most specific to T420?
• 1939[15:29:10] <jolt> dannysantos: Not sure since I don't use it, but I guess that has with gnome-keychain to do
• 1940[15:29:19] <jolt> OR whatever it's called these days
• 1941[15:29:25] <Samsa_> is=are (my bad english)
• 1942[15:30:24] <dannysantos> jolt: thank you. is there a gui to manage gnome-keychain?
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• 1947[15:32:18] <dannysantos> jolt: and I don't have gnome-keychain command. I have a gnome-keyring command though...
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• 1955[15:35:46] <Lope> I've got jessie installed in a chroot on my samsung galaxy s3 using Lil-Debbie app. dpkg --print-architecture says armel. I've used it for about a year but now it won't apt-get update. This is the error: W: Failed to fetch replaced-url
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• 1961[15:36:47] <Lope> I tried `dpkg --remove-architecture armel` "dpkg: warning: cannot remove non-foreign architecture 'armel'"
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• 1964[15:37:19] <Lope> I added armhf architecture and dpkg --print-foreign-architecture shows it :/
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• 1970[15:40:21] <Lope> dpkg -l shows all my packages are armel
• 1971[15:40:21] <dpkg> No packages found matching shows all my packages are armel
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• 1977[15:42:00] *** debhelper sets mode: +l 1749
• 1978[15:42:03] <somiaj> Lope: I don't think you can change your default/base arch, you can't remove/change this afiak
• 1979[15:42:12] <somiaj> if you want to change the base you may ahve to reinstall.
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• 1981[15:42:48] <somiaj> in this case you may have to create a new chroot
• 1982[15:42:59] <Lope> I tried `apt-get -a=armhf update` but it said: "E: Command line option 'a' [from -a=armhf] is not known."
• 1983[15:43:16] <somiaj> can I see your sources.list that is failing to update?
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• 1985[15:43:30] <Lope> somiaj: easier said than done hey. LilDebi is non-maintained now.
• 1986[15:43:49] <Lope> somiaj: and I had to do my own hax to make it work (notes on it somewhere)
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• 1990[15:44:20] <Lope> I just have a single line at the moment: "deb replaced-url
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• 1994[15:45:16] <Lope> I think I'll do a debootstrap install from this install, then move the root dir. Should work :)
• 1995[15:45:20] <Lope> But I'll do it another time.
• 1996[15:45:27] <Lope> Can you confirm if armel has been discontinued?
• 1997[15:45:38] <Lope> I guess armhf should work on my Samsung Galaxy S3
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• 1999[15:46:48] <Lope> cat /proc/cpuinfo says ARMv7 Processor rev 0 (v7l) SMDK4x12 with features: "swp half thumb fastmult vfp edsp neon vfpv3 tls" which is a lot better than a RbPi 1 B+ for example, which is Armv6.
• 2000[15:48:05] <somiaj> what is the universe? Debian doesn't have a universe, that is ubuntu
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• 2002[15:48:15] <somiaj> remove universe from that line
• 2003[15:48:18] <Lope> oh, schucks
• 2004[15:48:47] <Lope> okay, running it.
• 2005[15:48:49] <somiaj> you want main, contrib and non-free are optional
• 2006[15:49:03] <somiaj> but univerise is not a thing and maybe what was causing your issue
• 2007[15:49:12] <Lope> thanks, just attempting with main
• 2008[15:49:34] <Lope> Yeah that's the weird thing. Because Jessie armel seems to exist.
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• 2010[15:51:19] <Lope> success :)
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• 2014[15:52:29] <Lope> ok, sorted. False alarm. Pfew!
• 2015[15:52:49] <Lope> I guess I messed up my sources.list at some point. Thanks for spotting that somiaj!
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• 2021[15:55:29] <Lope> my phone's SoC actually has vfpv3 support. (I compiled node.js on the phone with it and completed all tests etc) My Galaxy S5 also includes vfpv4. But I don't have linux running on that anymore. I couldn't get lilDebi working on it nicely.
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• 2023[15:55:58] <Lope> Anyway, basically my point is that armhf refers to CPUs with vfpv3 and higher support. Which my S3 has. So armhf would be faster.
• 2024[15:56:10] <Lope> I get the sense that armel is entirely soft float.
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• 2035[15:59:26] <bumbar> is there a way to schedule machine boot?
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• 2039[15:59:58] <greycat> You can set up a cron job to reboot, if that's what you want.
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• 2041[16:00:58] <jhutchins_wk> You can also schedule one-time events with at.
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• 2045[16:01:25] <greycat> and shutdown(8) takes a TIME argument
• 2046[16:01:26] <bumbar> power will be cut at the office, and i don't know for how long
• 2047[16:01:33] <Lope> I found methods for changing architecture, but it looks to dangerous to be worth attempting. I'd rather debootstrap a new one. replaced-url
• 2048[16:01:40] <cruncher> bumbar, and if you mean to start the machine at specific time, depending on your bios you can set it there
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• 2050[16:01:55] <greycat> If you mean "I want my computer which is physically powered off to magically turn itself on", good luck with that.
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• 2052[16:02:52] <FreddyP> My mac has a option wake from a powercut i wonder if linux has the same functionality
• 2053[16:02:57] <Lope> Why does jessie not have php7.0. Very behind the times
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• 2060[16:03:40] <greycat> Because jessie was frozen in November 2015.
• 2061[16:03:40] <Lope> are backports typically done for all architectures, or only the most popular?
• 2062[16:03:52] <Lope> What's the release cycle?
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• 2066[16:04:10] <greycat> Sorry, November *2014*.
• 2067[16:04:14] <greycat> !jessie freeze
• 2068[16:04:15] <dpkg> Remember, remember, the fifth of November, gunpowder treason and plot! Debian 8.0 "Jessie" was frozen on 2014-11-05; no new versions of packages will enter this release and a period of intense bug fixing has begun. See replaced-url
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• 2070[16:04:37] <greycat> !stretch freeze
• 2071[16:04:38] <dpkg> Stretch is frozen as of 2017-02-05; see replaced-url
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• 2076[16:05:34] <Lope> how can stretch be frozen if there's no release date?
• 2077[16:05:44] <greycat> dpkg, jessie freeze =~ s/; no new versions of packages will enter this release and a period of intense bug fixing has begun//
• 2078[16:05:45] <dpkg> greycat: OK
• 2079[16:06:05] <greycat> It releases when the release critical bugs are all gone. Whether by being fixed, or by having those packages removed.
• 2080[16:06:28] <Lope> I see :) That's pretty cool.
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• 2085[16:06:57] <Lope> Howcome ubuntu tends to have newer software? Are they more relaxed about allowing critical bugs into their releases?
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• 2087[16:07:11] <Poster> The release cycles are different
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• 2089[16:07:17] <greycat> Ubuntu is a completely different animal. They release twice a year, like OpenBSD does.
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• 2091[16:07:35] <Lope> greycat: I'm referring to ubuntu LTS
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• 2093[16:07:42] <greycat> Debian has no fixed schedule, but in practice is once every 2-3 years.
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• 2095[16:08:07] <Poster> it's every 2 years with LTS, we're about 1 year into their latest LTS which was released 4/2016
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• 2099[16:09:16] <bencc> what the 2 means in 2755 directory mod? is it safe for a font folder?
• 2100[16:09:34] <greycat> bencc: that's the setgid bit
• 2101[16:09:54] <greycat> setgid on a dir means new files created inside that dir will inherit the dir's group ownership
• 2102[16:09:54] <blackflow> the part I don't understand, Ubuntu takes from Debian Unstable, and yet there are differences in configuration to the point that some things are broken in Ubuntu, as if they don't fix after checking out from Unstable.
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• 2109[16:10:48] <jhutchins_wk> Ubuntu isn't 100% modified Debian. They do their own thing with a lot of the packages and include different software.
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• 2112[16:11:10] <Poster> I think part of that comes down to whether or not it's considered "broken" and/or important enough to "fix"
• 2113[16:11:12] <bencc> greycat: so it's not insecure in /user/local/share/fonts/<some-custom-font> ?
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• 2115[16:12:04] <greycat> It's not a question of "secure" or "insecure". You use setgid on a dir when you have a group of people who all want to work on the same project together. The files created in the directory become group-owned by that dir's group, so everyone can edit them, **IF** everyone is also using an appropriate umask.
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• 2119[16:12:32] <blackflow> Poster: just fresh example, bind9 on Debian, the systemd unit file nicely considers the environment from /etc/defaults/bind9. On ubuntu, it doesn't. took me a while why when I was trying to force -4 to OPTION env
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• 2121[16:12:35] <greycat> I can't imagine why you'd use it on a font directory, but it really doesn't matter.
• 2122[16:13:11] <bencc> greycat: when creating a directory with: mkdir -p /usr/local/share/fonts/myfont it automatically set it to 2755
• 2123[16:13:28] <greycat> I seriously doubt that.
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• 2128[16:13:57] <greycat> arc3:~$ mkdir -p /tmp/foo/bar; ls -ld /tmp/foo/bar
• 2129[16:13:57] <greycat> drwxr-xr-x 2 wooledg voice 4096 Apr 21 10:13 /tmp/foo/bar
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• 2131[16:14:14] <greycat> Looks like 755 to me, with my umask of 022.
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• 2134[16:14:55] <bencc> greycat: sudo mkdir -p /usr/local/share/fonts/truetype/myfont
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• 2136[16:15:25] <bencc> stat myfont/ Access: (2755/drwxr-sr-x)
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• 2138[16:15:37] <bencc> greycat: it does create it with 2755 mod
• 2139[16:15:37] <greycat> I bet it already existed, so your mkdir -p did nothing at all.
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• 2141[16:15:48] <bumbar> cruncher, found it in bios settings, thanks
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• 2143[16:15:51] <blackflow> debian simply takes time to make sure things work before they're released, and they stay working like that for years. ubuntu constantly breaks stuff with a lot of changes and never bothers to fix or stabilize. the bind9 bug? still on xenial, almost a year now.
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• 2145[16:16:02] <bencc> greycat: it wasn't. I doubled checked again
• 2146[16:16:09] <bencc> greycat: removed the folder and tried again
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• 2151[16:17:11] <bencc> greycat: /usr/local/share/fonts/ has 2755, /usr/share/fonts/ has 0755
• 2152[16:17:13] <bencc> not sure why
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• 2154[16:17:36] <bencc> checked on another machine that I didn't worked on
• 2155[16:18:43] <Poster> blackflow: Yeah I think it is a byproduct of the different release cycles, in one camp you have "ready when ready" and the other you have "ready by this fixed date", they're bound to produce different results in some cases
• 2156[16:19:06] <greycat> bencc: looks like the setgid bit gets inherited from the parent directory
• 2157[16:19:18] <blackflow> Poster: that's okay. the problem is they don't stabilize or fix the LTS.
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• 2160[16:20:24] <Poster> yeah, someone somewhere decides what needs attention and what has to wait
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• 2163[16:20:50] <bencc> greycat: should I change it to 0755? is there a security issue with using 2755?
• 2164[16:21:06] <spleen> Hello. how to set up a task with "at" command with no prompt/no interactive mode ?
• 2165[16:21:07] <bencc> greycat: for example if I download a script instead of a font and someone execute that script
• 2166[16:21:12] <greycat> There is no security issue.
• 2167[16:21:43] <greycat> I have no idea why jessie wants the fonts directories to be staff-writable, but that's what jessie is doing, so maybe there is some reason for it. I don't know or care.
• 2168[16:21:50] <greycat> If you have nobody in the staff group it won't matter.
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• 2175[16:25:41] <blackflow> same convo going in #ubuntu :)
• 2176[16:25:51] <jhutchins_wk> I wonder how many of us are managing general purpose multi-user systems.
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• 2178[16:26:16] <nkuttler> ew, users..
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• 2182[16:26:54] <jhutchins_wk> I have systems that have multiple users, but they're all working on some component of the system.
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• 2184[16:27:22] <jhutchins_wk> We also have multiple members of the admin team.
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• 2186[16:28:46] <tepmurt> Hi guys! After dist-upgrading Debian from Jessie to Stretch, I have following problem: When creating a new password storage, I get error "-2": Error when opening the file". What could be the problem?
• 2187[16:28:48] <jhutchins_wk> Something like an old University mainframe though, where multiple simultaneous users are doing things like word processing, irc, etc.
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• 2193[16:30:44] <blackflow> spleen: the manpage suggests there's /var/spool/at so maybe start there, maybe those files can be modified
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• 2195[16:31:04] <tepmurt> So basically, I can't configure KWallet to work, because I don't have and can't open any password storages
• 2196[16:32:01] <tepmurt> when opening kwalletmanager5 with sudo, it works though
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• 2200[16:33:18] <tepmurt> with "password storage", I mean a wallet in KWallet
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• 2204[16:34:13] <mtn> tepmurt: sounds like root owns some files in your home folder
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• 2207[16:34:37] <mtn> tepmurt: if you start gui apps with sudo, root owns the files it uses
• 2208[16:34:59] <blackflow> s/uses/creates
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• 2211[16:37:48] <tepmurt> mtn: Non-sudo-executing kwalletmanager5 in console outputs "Connecting to deprecated signal QDBusConnectionInterface::serviceOwnerChanged(QString,QString,QString)". Does that help?
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• 2215[16:39:19] <mtn> tepmurt: same answer, root owns files it shouldn't own
• 2216[16:40:31] <tepmurt> how can I find these files?
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• 2218[16:41:39] <mtn> tepmurt: if this is the problem, you can correct it with this command: sudo chown -R $USER:$USER /home/$USER/ -R $USER = your username
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• 2225[16:42:57] <buhletxr> Hi guys
• 2226[16:43:17] <buhletxr> I edited the file interfaces to put a static ip
• 2227[16:43:28] <buhletxr> but can't run service network restart
• 2228[16:43:33] <buhletxr> how is this done in debian?
• 2229[16:43:34] <tepmurt> mtn: Awesome, works! thank you!
• 2230[16:43:45] <greycat> buhletxr: ifup name
• 2231[16:43:57] <mtn> tepmurt: welcome. if you have to start a gui app as root, use gksudo, not sudo
• 2232[16:43:58] <greycat> e.g. ifup eth1 if that's the name you created a definition for
• 2233[16:44:29] <buhletxr> cool
• 2234[16:44:30] <buhletxr> thanks
• 2235[16:44:31] <buhletxr> done
• 2236[16:44:41] <buhletxr> and if machine reboots should come automatically
• 2237[16:44:42] <buhletxr> great
• 2238[16:44:43] <buhletxr> ty
• 2239[16:45:33] <greycat> If you included "auto eth1" or whatever in the interfaces file, yes.
• 2240[16:45:42] <tepmurt> mtn: ok, so kdesudo for kde
• 2241[16:46:12] <buhletxr> yeh I did
• 2242[16:46:13] <buhletxr> ok ty
• 2243[16:46:19] <mtn> tepmurt: not sure the exact command kde uses
• 2244[16:46:35] <buhletxr> greycat now I'll focus again on the xrdp xD haha
• 2245[16:46:38] <buhletxr> still not solved ;)
• 2246[16:47:03] <tepmurt> mtn: yeah, kdesudo is the command
• 2247[16:47:20] <buhletxr> actually works
• 2248[16:47:30] <buhletxr> but I need to use root password
• 2249[16:47:39] <buhletxr> after input username and password
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• 2254[16:49:36] <buhletxr> got this problem in gnome extensions
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• 2316[17:08:50] <neil_> hello. I am looking to host my website/mail server/jabber/nextcloud/etc on a vps and was wondering if the right way to do it was to split them up on separate vps's? Or would it be alright from a security point of view to have them all on one?
• 2317[17:08:56] <neil_> Assuming that I update packages and security updates frequently
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• 2319[17:10:58] <buhletxr> this debian have real problems... lol so If I'm logged in via console, and open firefox. then I can't open firefox in a remote rdp session
• 2320[17:11:06] <buhletxr> cause it says firefox is already running ><
• 2321[17:11:16] <buhletxr> also
• 2322[17:11:33] <buhletxr> if I connect via remote desktop, and open terminal
• 2323[17:11:44] <buhletxr> uparrow key doesn't show my last command O_0
• 2324[17:12:04] <greycat> In bash, each instance has its own separate copy of the shell history.
• 2325[17:12:13] <buhletxr> and how can I put the windows, to have the max and minimize buttons?
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• 2327[17:12:27] <greycat> If you want an immediately shared history among ALL instances of your shell, I advise you to look into other shells.
• 2328[17:12:47] <buhletxr> nop greycat
• 2329[17:12:50] <greycat> (Personally I despised that SO MUCH when I used ksh...)
• 2330[17:12:57] <buhletxr> for example:
• 2331[17:13:03] <buhletxr> I run command: echo test
• 2332[17:13:18] <buhletxr> then, if I press arrow key up
• 2333[17:13:24] <buhletxr> nothing appens
• 2334[17:13:33] <buhletxr> it doesn't write echo test
• 2335[17:13:40] <buhletxr> so I need to type it again
• 2336[17:13:42] <greycat> Sounds like your TERM variable is set wrong, or you've messed with ~/.inputrc or shell configs.
• 2337[17:13:49] <greycat> Does Ctrl-P work?
• 2338[17:14:03] <buhletxr> yeh
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• 2340[17:14:07] <buhletxr> crtl p works
• 2341[17:14:13] <greycat> Then it's probably $TERM or ~/.inputrc
• 2342[17:14:13] <buhletxr> how I messed if this is a fresh install
• 2343[17:14:15] <jhutchins_wk> neil_: People used to do that all the time.
• 2344[17:14:27] <greycat> What kind of terminal are you in, and what is the value of $TERM?
• 2345[17:14:30] <buhletxr> how cna I fix it greycat=?
• 2346[17:14:49] <neil_> jhutchins_wk: so on the same vps?
• 2347[17:14:49] <buhletxr> echo $TERM
• 2348[17:14:52] <buhletxr> retuns xterm
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• 2350[17:14:57] <greycat> Are you in an xterm?
• 2351[17:15:05] <buhletxr> i'm using the debian terminal
• 2352[17:15:10] <jhutchins_wk> neil_: A single server is a lot easier to maintain and secure.
• 2353[17:15:11] <buhletxr> the one that comes included
• 2354[17:15:14] <greycat> What do you mean by that? GNOME? gnome-terminal?
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• 2357[17:15:49] <greycat> Try: ps -fp $PPID
• 2358[17:16:22] <neil_> jhutchins_wk: okay! How would I go about making sure that it's secure? Would inbound ufw rules to nginx and ssh be all or should i be reading something? (And could you recommend some article which i can read?)
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• 2363[17:17:01] <buhletxr> UID PID PPID C STIME TTY TIME CMD
• 2364[17:17:02] <buhletxr> root 3795 3704 0 15:19 pts/1 00:00:00 su
• 2365[17:17:11] <greycat> *sigh*
• 2366[17:17:35] <jhutchins_wk> neil_: I don't think you need an on-system firewall. By default, Linux only listens on ports where you have defined a service to listen.
• 2367[17:17:40] <buhletxr> greycat:
• 2368[17:17:41] <buhletxr> # cat ~/.xsession
• 2369[17:17:41] <buhletxr> xfce4-session
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• 2373[17:18:04] <jhutchins_wk> neil_: There might be cases where you would want to restrict IP access to certain ports, or limit the number of connections per second.
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• 2375[17:18:12] <buhletxr> but if I go to system tools -> settings-> details
• 2376[17:18:16] <greycat> buhletxr: Find out what kind of terminal this is, and what $TERM should be, and why it's not correct.
• 2377[17:18:20] <buhletxr> it showms me gnome 3.14.1
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• 2379[17:18:51] <jhutchins_wk> neil_: Securing a mail server and making it acceptable to other mail servers is a bit of a challenge, as is fighting spam.
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• 2393[17:23:28] <buhletxr> hmmm
• 2394[17:23:30] <buhletxr> greycat
• 2395[17:23:46] <buhletxr> $ ps -p$PPID
• 2396[17:23:46] <buhletxr> PID TTY TIME CMD
• 2397[17:23:46] <buhletxr> 3959 ? 00:00:00 gnome-terminal-
• 2398[17:24:04] <buhletxr> so should I set $TERM to gnome-terminal- ?
• 2399[17:24:16] <jhutchins_wk> neil_: I don't have a link to a current, comprehensive guide to securing a general purpose server, but I know RedHat's documentation includes articles on that, and I'm sure the Debian website and wiki do as well.
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• 2404[17:27:13] <neil_> jhutchins_wk: awesome, thank you!
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• 2408[17:27:50] <neil_> jhutchins_wk: when you say "acceptable" to other mail servers, what does this mean? I was planning on using mailinabox for this.
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• 2416[17:30:20] <tw> I'd also look at the DISA STIG docs for RHEL. A cursory google search brings up a lot of links to people highlighting the debian-relevant parts of it.
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• 2435[17:36:04] <jhutchins_wk> neil_: Things like having rdns working, applying dkms, making sure there's no relaying enabled.
• 2436[17:36:23] <jhutchins_wk> neil_: I'm not familiar with mailinabox.
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• 2442[17:37:52] <buhletxr> hey greycat
• 2443[17:37:55] <buhletxr> env TERM=xterm-color /bin/bash
• 2444[17:37:58] <firef1y> okay, why can't Debian just be normal and have thunderbird like every other distro?
• 2445[17:38:00] <buhletxr> added that to my profile windows
• 2446[17:38:05] <FreddyP> its been a while since i hosted and setup a mail server but apart from all the obvious boxes to tick, microsoft had jumping through many hoops as it would not let me send any mail to live.com or hotmail.com
• 2447[17:38:06] <buhletxr> now at least I have nice colors :D
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• 2449[17:38:17] <buhletxr> and I noticed the numpad arow keys work good
• 2450[17:38:21] <jhutchins_wk> neil_: Looking at it, it sounds very nice, but you end up running a lot of layers you know nothing about, and if something goes wrong, what do you do?
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• 2452[17:38:26] <buhletxr> but the arrow keys of keyboard doesn't
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• 2454[17:38:29] <buhletxr> any idea? :-\
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• 2457[17:40:28] <neil_> jhutchins_wk: this is true :( Would you recommend me trying to do it myself or just stay away from it?
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• 2461[17:42:18] <jhutchins_wk> neil_: It's an interesting skillset to learn, and mailinabox lays out a good set of things to implement.
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• 2464[17:43:11] <jhutchins_wk> neil_: On the other hand, if you're not into maintaining something like that pretty constantly, and/or you're not getting paid for it, you might offload it to a mail service provider.
• 2465[17:43:58] <jhutchins_wk> neil_: I used to run public mail server, but these days I have a mail service for external access, and I run a private mailserver with no external access to store my mail at home.
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• 2472[17:45:52] <firef1y> jhutchins_wk: how hard is it actually to run a mail server?
• 2473[17:46:09] <greycat> It's super easy to run one *badly*.
• 2474[17:46:40] <nullbyte_> 9 is still freezed?
• 2475[17:46:57] <firef1y> greycat: I meant running one decently well...
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• 2479[17:48:29] <andyjpb> firef1y: depends on what you want to do and for who. I run one for my domain and a few friends. I spend Some Time gettingit set up 10 years ago or so and mostly just leave it be
• 2480[17:48:34] <neil_> jhutchins_wk: interesting! Do you have any resources which you would recommend where we could learn about it?
• 2481[17:48:46] <andyjpb> but I have access to a spam assassin pool that's run (very well) by someone else
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• 2483[17:49:32] <firef1y> andyjpb: I was thinking of just setting up my own mail server for me (maybe a couple family/friends too)
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• 2486[17:50:44] <firef1y> would be nice to have an email that I actually control, instead of ISP/Gmail/etc
• 2487[17:51:16] <firef1y> you never know when any of those email addresses are just going to disappear.
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• 2489[17:52:00] <SuperSeriousCat> I bet Gmail is going under soon
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• 2492[17:52:12] <jhutchins_wk> neil_: I started out with the O'Reilly "Sendmail" book, but that's no longer really enough to understand the mail environment.
• 2493[17:52:29] <andyjpb> firef1y: fastmail might be able to host your domain for you.
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• 2495[17:53:33] <firef1y> andyjpb: well, I'd rather host it myself if I can.
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• 2497[17:53:54] <jhutchins_wk> An outbound relay service can eliminate a lot of headaches for you.
• 2498[17:54:00] <firef1y> though just having my own domain name is an improvement.
• 2499[17:54:10] <firef1y> jhutchins_wk: such as?
• 2500[17:54:36] <neil_> SuperSeriousCat: why do you say that?
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• 2502[17:54:47] <jhutchins_wk> I have heard that there are some ranges in the Cloud address spaces that are essentially marked "residential" or "non-commercial", and those tend to be blocked on a lot of mail servers.
• 2503[17:55:07] <neil_> jhutchins_wk: okay! I can find a book on amazon when i get back home :)
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• 2505[17:55:21] <jhutchins_wk> If you are trying to run from home, your IP address will likely be blocked on some servers.
• 2506[17:55:24] <firef1y> jhutchins_wk: if I did my own, I'd be hosting it from commercial address space.
• 2507[17:55:34] <firef1y> this isn't going to be in the basement.
• 2508[17:55:54] <jhutchins_wk> neil_: I think you'll find on-line documentation more current these days. Like I said, try Debian's web pages, and RedHat's.
• 2509[17:56:13] <SanchoPensa> hey guys!
• 2510[17:56:13] <SanchoPensa> i am trying to set up this ancient hp color laserjet 2600n, which gives me some headache: the error seems to be, that I am missing some hplip.plugin, so I am trying to run hp-setup, but that one tells me, that I should verify my connection to the internet. which is obviously there. other than that, I cannot reach cups at localhost:631/admin, and lsof-i, such as netstat --inet -an do not show any listening port there, althoug ps says /usr/sbin/
• 2511[17:56:15] <firef1y> I've got a VPS outside already, and was planning on (at least) bouncing the mail through that.
• 2512[17:56:22] <buhletxr> debian is sick jeez
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• 2516[17:56:55] <jhutchins_wk> firef1y: It's not a trivial undertaking, but if you like that sort of thing it's satisfying to understand and control all the layers.
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• 2521[17:58:09] <buhletxr> when I minimize a window, It doesn't put it anywhere :-\ jeez
• 2522[17:58:16] <buhletxr> now only accessible via ALT+TAB
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• 2525[17:58:35] <buhletxr> i guess I need dash to dock
• 2526[17:58:37] <buhletxr> or something
• 2527[17:58:40] <dm_comp> What is the acronym of ELF. contexts " ... since dpkg 1.2.0 and 1.1.1elf (i386/ELF builds)." -> I did a quick google search but without avail(guessing it's not "every ladies fantasy").
• 2528[17:58:53] <greycat> Extended Linker Format, I think
• 2529[17:58:59] <greycat> something similar anyway
• 2530[17:59:01] <mtn> buhletxr: using which desktop?
• 2531[17:59:14] <dm_comp> greycat: thank you!
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• 2533[17:59:25] <greycat> replaced-url
• 2534[17:59:29] <greycat> grr
• 2535[17:59:32] <greycat> replaced-url
• 2536[17:59:49] <jpw> Executable and Linking Format
• 2537[17:59:59] <greycat> Ah, "formerly named Extensible Linking Format". That's what I must have been mis-remembering.
• 2538[18:00:07] <buhletxr> greycat gnome
• 2539[18:00:14] <buhletxr> ups not you
• 2540[18:00:17] <greycat> Apparently even the people in charge of this crap can't make up their minds.
• 2541[18:00:17] <buhletxr> mtn gnome
• 2542[18:00:23] <jhutchins_wk> dm_comp: If you include "linux" in your search you'll get the right hits.
• 2543[18:00:30] <mtn> buhletxr: hit the super key. or, add an extension if you really need to see them on the panel
• 2544[18:00:52] <buhletxr> super key?
• 2545[18:01:03] <dm_comp> jhutchins_wk: thx!
• 2546[18:01:04] <buhletxr> also, guys cant use gnome extensions
• 2547[18:01:07] <buhletxr> even after doing this:
• 2548[18:01:07] <buhletxr> appmenu:close
• 2549[18:01:09] <mtn> buhletxr: windows key
• 2550[18:01:09] <buhletxr> ups
• 2551[18:01:42] <buhletxr> window key does nothing
• 2552[18:01:47] <buhletxr> looks like my arrow keys
• 2553[18:01:50] <buhletxr> they do nothing
• 2554[18:01:57] <buhletxr> only the arrow keys of numpad works :-\
• 2555[18:01:58] <buhletxr> jeez
• 2556[18:02:01] <buhletxr> so much bugs
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• 2558[18:02:13] <buhletxr> well, works on console view
• 2559[18:02:17] <buhletxr> not via xrdp view
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• 2561[18:02:26] <buhletxr> I already set my km .ini file
• 2562[18:02:34] <firef1y> why is namecheap so expensive...
• 2563[18:02:41] <greycat> buhletxr: Stop pressing ENTER so much. Use whole sentences.
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• 2566[18:03:10] <buhletxr> sorry. ok :)
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• 2568[18:03:57] <SanchoPensa> jhutchins_wk: you wouldn't happen to be able to tell me, why I cannot reac cups at port 631, would you?
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• 2570[18:04:04] <buhletxr> can't get gnome extensions to work
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• 2572[18:04:07] <buhletxr> even after do this:
• 2573[18:04:08] <buhletxr> replaced-url
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• 2576[18:04:33] <buhletxr> I still get the error: ReferenceERROR: chrome is not defined, anyone cna help me here?
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• 2578[18:04:57] <greycat> Probably not. You might have better luck in a GNOME channel.
• 2579[18:05:28] <greycat> You're not off topic or anything, but most of the regulars here don't know GNOME in detail.
• 2580[18:05:42] <buhletxr> ok, ty
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• 2586[18:07:09] <dirac1> Hello, any of you have tried to use grsecurity with awesomewm? PaX automatically create the exceptions for the wm?.
• 2587[18:07:36] <RedAlpha> Hello
• 2588[18:08:17] <RedAlpha> Where is the best place for a noob to learn irc? I am finding information to be spratic at best online this far.
• 2589[18:08:44] <dirac1> RedAlpha, what you want to learn about irc?.
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• 2591[18:08:48] <greycat> If your question is about your IRC client software, then in your client's channel. If it's about Freenode, then in #freenode.
• 2592[18:09:41] <RedAlpha> so I need to search for a #Weechat Channle? How do I do that and ensure I am joining the official channel?
• 2593[18:10:09] <greycat> "/list #weechat"
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• 2596[18:10:47] <greycat> It has 760 users (when I checked), and a topic that seems sane. So it's probably an active and useful place.
• 2597[18:11:05] <RedAlpha> The main problem that I am having is when and where it is okay to ask for what and how.
• 2598[18:11:05] <greycat> Judgments beyond that? You'd have to go there and see.
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• 2601[18:11:41] <RedAlpha> so where do I type that command in? After I diconnect from this channel?
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• 2603[18:11:56] <greycat> You can just type /list #weechat any time.
• 2604[18:12:24] <han-solo> look for a window/tab :}
• 2605[18:12:40] <RedAlpha> ok, I just tried and nothing shows up, I am guessing that has something to do with the active buffer being this channel.
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• 2607[18:13:10] <RedAlpha> ok, thanks for all of your help. FYI, I am in a cli interface at this point.
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• 2609[18:13:27] <han-solo> which client?
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• 2611[18:13:29] <han-solo> irssi?
• 2612[18:13:34] <RedAlpha> WeeChat
• 2613[18:14:02] <han-solo> er, i should have guessed. Damn, sometimes i don't see stuff
• 2614[18:14:09] <kus> can we please change the behavior of clipboard? we should just have ONE clipboard. If you copy something, the latest thing I copied should be the thing that should paste
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• 2616[18:14:15] <kus> this is so infuriating
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• 2619[18:14:38] <greycat> kus: you're about 30 years too late to be asking that
• 2620[18:14:45] <RedAlpha> LOL, no debate here, it just seemed easier for a beginner when I looked for a client.
• 2621[18:15:05] <kus> greycat: never too late to make a clean break and say all the old stuff can go screw itself
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• 2623[18:16:26] <kus> also storage is cheap. lets get rid of shared dependencies.
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• 2639[18:24:18] <CrystalMath> hope this isn't too off-topic, but there's a new stable distro based on debian
• 2640[18:24:24] <CrystalMath> replaced-url
• 2641[18:24:32] <CrystalMath> thoughts?
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• 2669[18:34:43] <pjz> I just upgraded a beaglebone black from wheezy to jessie but I can't seem to install a python package because of some kind of cert erro
• 2670[18:34:58] <pjz> heck I can't download much from the web using wget or curl due to the same thing
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• 2672[18:35:03] <pjz> I've got ca-certificates installed
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• 2674[18:35:06] <pjz> and up to date
• 2675[18:35:10] <pjz> any ideas?
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• 2678[18:36:11] <pjz> Example: # wget replaced-url
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• 2682[18:37:23] <blackflow> pjz: server datetime correct?
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• 2684[18:37:43] <blackflow> I mean system....
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• 2688[18:38:49] <pjz> hah! no!
• 2689[18:39:08] <pjz> hm, what's the easy way to get it to sync? netdate?
• 2690[18:39:56] <staircrusher> ntp
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• 2692[18:40:32] <pjz> which ntp is it?
• 2693[18:40:41] <phogg> specifically ntpdate
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• 2695[18:40:43] <gblmkd> hey
• 2696[18:40:49] <gblmkd> i need some help
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• 2698[18:41:17] <greycat> !ntpdate
• 2699[18:41:18] <dpkg> ntpdate is an obsolete and unmaintained program to set a system clock via <NTP>. Just install the ntp package instead. Since Debian 5.0 "Lenny", ntp's default configuration files (NTPD_OPTS='-g' in /etc/default/ntp, 'iburst' option for default servers in /etc/ntp.conf) make ntpdate unnecessary. See also <why not ntpdate>.
• 2700[18:41:45] <phogg> greycat: my mistake, old habits die hard
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• 2702[18:42:07] <pjz> blackflow: thanks!
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• 2705[18:44:33] <phogg> btw that <why not ntpdate> factoid's rationale link is broken
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• 2720[18:55:06] <blackflow> there's also systemd-timesyncd, so no additional daemons are needed, esp. not bloated and vulnerable ntp. it's a bit less precise, but unless you need (sub)milisecond precision, it's enough.
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• 2724[18:55:48] <blackflow> alternatively, openntpd from jessie-backports
• 2725[18:56:26] <blackflow> oh, pjz left...
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• 2742[19:03:54] <phogg> Seems like without ntpdate you need a daemon. Is it not possible to sync by hand?
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• 2745[19:05:31] <greycat> No, because by the time you've logged in, it's too late to do a massive clock shift safely.
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• 2747[19:05:49] <phogg> greycat: Who wants safe?
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• 2759[19:08:31] <blackflow> phogg: ntpd can be used for one time shifts beyond 1000 seconds
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• 2761[19:08:42] <blackflow> ntpd -gq
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• 2767[19:09:43] <phogg> blackflow: aha, I see that the -q option pretty much covers my use case
• 2768[19:10:02] <gblmkd> how to set a "sendmail" hostname it show as "debian" instead of my host i edited hosts file and other things but still show "debian"
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• 2772[19:10:57] <greycat> gblmkd: /etc/hostname
• 2773[19:10:58] <blackflow> gblmkd: iirc the default config uses /etc/mailname
• 2774[19:11:13] <greycat> the contents of /etc/hosts don't count for much with internet services
• 2775[19:11:35] <gblmkd> i have different hostname
• 2776[19:11:37] <gblmkd> then debian
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• 2778[19:11:56] <gblmkd> i have hostname domain.com but sendmail show it as @debia
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• 2780[19:11:59] <greycat> what does "hostname" say? what is in /etc/hostname? what is in /etc/mailname?
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• 2782[19:12:35] <gblmkd> i check cat /etc/hostname its my domain and mailname same
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• 2784[19:12:46] <greycat> Oh, you're a secret-keeper. *plonk*
• 2785[19:12:55] <blackflow> gblmkd: which MTA is that?
• 2786[19:13:22] <gblmkd> just normal "sendmail"
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• 2789[19:13:48] <blackflow> gblmkd: the sendmail binary must be part of a mail server, is it postfix? exim?
• 2790[19:14:15] <gblmkd> postfix
• 2791[19:14:31] <blackflow> then check /etc/postfix/main.cf if it overrides "myorigin"
• 2792[19:15:16] <gblmkd> myorigin is my domain
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• 2794[19:16:01] <blackflow> gblmkd: then which hostname are you referring to? where do you see "debian"?
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• 2801[19:17:40] <gblmkd> when i use sendmail to send a mail it show as like i try user@blabla.com it show user@debian not blabla.com
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• 2804[19:19:45] <jelly> gblmkd: pastebin the output of "postconf -n", "postconf -Mf" and relevant logs from /var/log/mail.log for precisely one affected example message
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• 2808[19:21:12] <jelly> gblmkd: and please do not change anything in the logs.
• 2809[19:21:18] <blackflow> it's probably headers, not logs, sounds like address rewriting
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• 2811[19:22:17] <jelly> if there's address rewriting done in postfix, that will be visible in nondefault settings
• 2812[19:22:39] <blackflow> yup
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• 2814[19:22:55] <jelly> and logs are always the first thing to look at
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• 2816[19:23:05] <jelly> far as mail is concerned
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• 2820[19:26:11] <dirac2> Hello, any of you have tried to use grsecurity with awesomewm? PaX automatically create the exceptions for the wm?.
• 2821[19:27:04] <jelly> pax doesn't do almost anything automatically, dirac2
• 2822[19:27:29] <blackflow> dirac2: not on debian, but on gentoo I remember having to mark quite a number of binaries, mostly from the DE and X
• 2823[19:27:33] <jelly> and small WM software is usually decent and does not need paxctl tuning
• 2824[19:27:44] <jelly> unlike, say, KDE stuff
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• 2826[19:27:53] <blackflow> yeah, 'twas KDE for me.
• 2827[19:27:56] <jelly> or browsers. Or java.
• 2828[19:28:12] <jelly> or anything with a JIT
• 2829[19:28:30] <dirac2> jelly, so it might be possible that awesome doesn't give me problems in the fresh grsecurity kernel install?.
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• 2832[19:29:06] <jelly> dirac2: that's very likely. Other components may give you extra grief.
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• 2836[19:29:34] <blackflow> especially if you run with nvidia proprietary driver
• 2837[19:29:40] <dirac2> Nah..
• 2838[19:30:04] <dirac2> I read the archlinux's wiki for grsecurity..
• 2839[19:30:31] <dirac2> and is a fresh install of Debian..
• 2840[19:30:47] <dirac2> But which kind of software could bring me issues?.
• 2841[19:31:01] <jelly> ...
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• 2843[19:31:13] <jelly> !tias
• 2844[19:31:13] <dpkg> TIAS is "Try It And See".
• 2845[19:31:20] <dirac2> u_u ok...
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• 2847[19:31:23] <blackflow> jelly already told you. anything with JIT which means browsers, java, but in my experience, it was quite a lot
• 2848[19:31:31] * greycat wonders what the hell PaX and paxctl are, and notes that like me, dpkg only knows about pax(1) the POSIX archiver.
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• 2851[19:32:02] <jelly> greycat: hardening kernel patches that impose lots of extra restrictions on userspace
• 2852[19:32:10] <dirac2> I'll do it later.
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• 2855[19:33:03] <jelly> if said userspace is written in a sane matter, all is well, but modern desktop components, opengl acceleration, java or web browsera are not covered under "sane"
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• 2857[19:33:35] <blackflow> and it's all questionable given the almost impossible to confine X and its absence of a security model
• 2858[19:33:45] <jelly> actual fixing requires removing some unsafe practices from source code
• 2859[19:33:53] <blackflow> at least xorg server doesn't run as root any more, right?
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• 2861[19:34:08] <jelly> blackflow: unless your dm starts as root.
• 2862[19:34:24] <jelly> like almost any dm but gdm, I think
• 2863[19:34:47] <blackflow> yeah I run gnome shell and I see the session is local
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• 2866[19:35:33] <jelly> ,i paxctl
• 2867[19:35:34] <judd> Package paxctl (admin, extra) in jessie/amd64: new PaX control program for using the PT_PAX_FLAGS marking. Version: 0.9-1; Size: 10.7k; Installed: 20k; Homepage: replaced-url
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• 2869[19:35:46] <jelly> ,i paxctld
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• 2871[19:35:47] <judd> No package named 'paxctld' was found in jessie/amd64.
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• 2873[19:35:52] <jelly> ,v paxctld
• 2874[19:35:53] <judd> Package: paxctld on amd64 -- sid: 1.2.1-1; stretch: 1.2.1-1
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• 2876[19:37:03] <blackflow> unfortunately, rumor has it grsec is going all private / paid only, no more public unstable patches.
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• 2878[19:37:21] <blackflow> s/unstable/testing
• 2879[19:37:46] <dirac2> I have another question, i have an external /home, i mounted it on fstab all good, but now i want to use it on Debian (i have another "/" partition with arch, where i created this /home)
• 2880[19:38:03] <greycat> I clicked replaced-url
• 2881[19:38:27] <greycat> Oh well. It was just idle curiosity.
• 2882[19:38:44] <blackflow> dirac2: so what's the question
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• 2886[19:39:35] <BluesKaj> think he want to use the same /home for arch and debian
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• 2888[19:39:46] <greycat> He said he put it in fstab.
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• 2890[19:39:55] <BluesKaj> wants
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• 2894[19:40:40] <dirac2> sorry didn't explain it well.
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• 2899[19:41:01] <dirac2> I want to use the user /home/Me, in the Debian fs.
• 2900[19:41:40] <jasonwc> Why is the naming for the backports 4.9.18 kernel 4.9.0-0.bpo.2?
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• 2902[19:41:55] <jasonwc> I'm confused by the naming scheme
• 2903[19:42:08] <greycat> that's the kernel ABI
• 2904[19:42:24] <greycat> modules built against any 4.9.0-0.bpo.2 kernel will work with any other 4.9.0-0.bpo.2? kernel
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• 2906[19:42:33] <jasonwc> ah, that makes sense
• 2907[19:42:35] <ksk> dirac2: so mount the arch partition, then mount this home on eg. /arch/home/$user to /home/$user using mount --bind (see man mount, search for bind)
• 2908[19:42:45] <jasonwc> useful to know, thanks
• 2909[19:43:16] <dirac2> But.. the user..
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• 2912[19:43:57] <alekz> the user?
• 2913[19:44:02] <dirac2> The user "Me" in debian isn't in /etc/passwd, if i create a new one with the name "Me" It says there's already a /home/Me created.
• 2914[19:44:04] <blackflow> dirac2: if the uids are the same, it'll match. however, I'd advise against sharing home (more precisely ~/.config and ~/.local) between different distros
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• 2916[19:44:57] <greycat> And another secret-keeper. :(
• 2917[19:45:00] <blackflow> dirac2: you can use useradd with -M to create a user without creating a home directory
• 2918[19:45:18] <ksk> dirac2: then unmount it and create the user. mount it again. also take care of problems blackflow mentioned :)
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• 2921[19:45:40] <greycat> "I can't type my real username because that would be too efficient and would let people give me exact answers, so I'll have to spend extra time carefully editing everything Debian writes and retyping it here with all the pertinent details mangled"
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• 2926[19:46:19] <dirac2> But the system will recognize the /Home/Me as the user "Me" Owner? there won't be permission issues? what about the password associated to the account? i just create the account with the same password used in the arch fs?
• 2927[19:46:40] <rkorandy> how do you get faster flash player with debian
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• 2929[19:46:47] <blackflow> dirac2: if the uids match, it should be okay, eg. your Me on Debian has uid 1000 and your Me on Arch has also uid 1000
• 2930[19:46:48] <rkorandy> sometimes ads are real slow
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• 2932[19:47:01] <blackflow> dirac2: but again, I'd advise against sharing home like that.
• 2933[19:47:12] <blackflow> rkorandy: what's flash?
• 2934[19:47:25] <tx> wow
• 2935[19:47:31] <rkorandy> blackflow: adobe has a flash player for sites like espn.com and the ads are slow
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• 2937[19:47:35] <tx> do we live in a day and age where people don't know what flash is?
• 2938[19:47:45] <tx> brb I need to go and have my mid-life crisis now
• 2939[19:47:51] <alekz> lol tx
• 2940[19:47:56] <greycat> We're just hoping it dies sooner rather than later.
• 2941[19:48:03] <blackflow> tx: it's coming, tho' in this case you need to change your sarcasm detector batteries :)
• 2942[19:48:13] <greycat> Refusing to acknowledge it may hasten its demise.
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• 2944[19:48:27] <tx> Flash is still lurking.
• 2945[19:48:31] <tx> It's still a very good animation tool
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• 2947[19:48:37] <tx> you know, what it was mostly designed for. :)
• 2948[19:48:38] <dirac2> blackflow, ok i'll do it later.
• 2949[19:48:40] <rkorandy> i heard there was something called fresh player
• 2950[19:49:27] <blackflow> I've been running without flash for over a year, haven't once needed it. all the pr0n is html5 nowadays =)
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• 2954[19:49:35] <rkorandy> it doesn't matter i just want to know if there's something i can do
• 2955[19:49:40] <BluesKaj> fresh player is a flash player with a different name
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• 2957[19:50:06] <blackflow> rkorandy: hardware acceleration maybe, there should be a setting
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• 2959[19:51:31] <rkorandy> i opened up the screen selected hardware acceleration and now the window won'tn close lol
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• 2961[19:51:38] <BluesKaj> blackflow: assume you use chrome
• 2962[19:51:57] <blackflow> BluesKaj: chromium and firefox, depending on the use case
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• 2964[19:52:13] <blackflow> (Chrome for netflix but I read that's not needed with newer firefoxen)
• 2965[19:52:51] <BluesKaj> I dumped FF due to it's sellout to pulseaudio
• 2966[19:53:03] <blackflow> areplaced-url
• 2967[19:53:47] <BluesKaj> have to put up with systemd, but not PA
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• 2969[19:54:05] <blackflow> they got telemetry and decided the ~1% of users who ran alsa directly weren't sufficient to keep the code around :)
• 2970[19:54:10] <blackflow> I can't disagree
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• 2972[19:54:37] <blackflow> back when I was in the anti-systemd faction and battle ready, I'd ditch it in a heart beat too, but eh... nowadays, I don't care :)
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• 2976[19:54:55] * BluesKaj shrugs ..chrome works for webaudio
• 2977[19:55:05] <rkorandy> you know these Ubuntu magazines you sometimes see at stores, are they any good
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• 2979[19:55:23] <greycat> I use chrome for my primary web activities (playing KoL) because firefox just got slower and slower and slower and slower until it was nearly unplayable.
• 2980[19:55:28] <tx> they're the same as linux news websites and blogs
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• 2982[19:56:04] <BluesKaj> greycat: yeah I noticed chrome is alot snappier
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• 2984[19:56:32] <blackflow> the one thing I like about firefox is that it's easily confineable with apparmor. I have yet to write a sane policy for Chromium.
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• 2986[19:57:00] <tx> I really wish firefox was faster :(
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• 2988[19:57:18] <BluesKaj> tx it's bloated
• 2989[19:57:22] <greycat> Oh, and there was that other thing firefox said they were going to do, that made everyone run away. Something about not letting extensions work unless they're vetted by Firefox.
• 2990[19:57:30] <tx> I've been using chrome since just after it came out and it just blows it out of the water
• 2991[19:57:31] <greycat> Not sure if Chrome is any better in that respect though.
• 2992[19:57:38] <blackflow> greycat: that doesn't sound too bad
• 2993[19:57:39] <tx> I think the last firefox I mained was 3? 4?
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• 2995[19:57:52] <tx> I go back every now and then to see if things are better and it's not usually.
• 2996[19:58:10] <spacebug^> chrome not chromium? I would never use because of privacy issues. No phoning home for me thank you
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• 2999[19:58:38] <tx> Still have it installed though, need a browser that lets me do stuff with java :)
• 3000[19:58:53] <BluesKaj> bah humbug ...
• 3001[19:59:08] <BluesKaj> spacebug^: ^
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• 3003[19:59:18] <blackflow> spacebug^: I bet you use social media and don't block their widgets in your browser? :)
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• 3005[19:59:47] * spacebug^ is using firefox with privacy badger and noscript. No I do not use facebook
• 3006[19:59:50] <jelly> greycat: grsecurity's page was just revamped last week to look "modern"
• 3007[19:59:52] <spacebug^> I use Signal
• 3008[20:00:05] <greycat> jelly: and they just COMPLETEY lost my attention by doing so.
• 3009[20:00:34] <greycat> When I see a page like that, all that my brain retains is "Commercial site, won't be able to find any information without subscribing and/or paying money."
• 3010[20:00:37] <tx> eh, it doesn't look too bad
• 3011[20:01:11] <tx> the idea is to be drawn to the purchase button anyway
• 3012[20:01:24] <blackflow> spacebug^: my apologies then :)
• 3013[20:01:28] <FreddyP> spacebug: signal is good
• 3014[20:01:35] <alekz> !rufus
• 3015[20:01:35] <dpkg> rufus is a tool that can be used to make bootable USB devices under Windows. It is not recommended for use with Debian CD/DVD images, as it mangles the installer in cruel and unusual ways, resulting in hard to debug problems. Ask me about <hybrid images>, <usb install>, <win32diskimager>.
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• 3018[20:02:33] <jelly> greycat: replaced-url
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• 3020[20:02:48] <blackflow> greycat: and you'd be right :)
• 3021[20:02:58] <alekz> !usb install
• 3022[20:02:58] <dpkg> You can install Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key on x86 systems, as long as your system's BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide, see replaced-url
• 3023[20:03:03] <blackflow> there is a wiki tho'
• 3024[20:03:10] <alekz> !etcher
• 3025[20:03:10] <dpkg> well, etcher is initial testing shows etcher is not a reliable way to copy debian images for installation. instead use cp or dd for linux, or win32diskimager for windows. replaced-url
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• 3027[20:04:17] <spacebug^> blackflow: no need to apologise :)
• 3028[20:04:18] <jelly> greycat: that's basically the idea for the main web page now. They're gunning for commercial support.
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• 3030[20:04:30] <spacebug^> FreddyP: it sure is
• 3031[20:05:11] <FreddyP> spacebug: I forgave whisper systems for reasing their desktop app as a google app
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• 3033[20:05:19] <FreddyP> releasing*
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• 3039[20:06:53] <greycat> dpkg, pax is also (when spelled PaX) a Linux kernel hardening patch (which may break JIT programs), <replaced-url
• 3040[20:06:53] <dpkg> greycat: okay
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• 3042[20:07:10] <spacebug^> FreddyP: I'm actually using it too. The only thing I'm using chromium for. Though I would rather liek to see a bare desktop app
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• 3045[20:09:23] <blackflow> greycat: technically it doesn't break them, it does its job and prevents (memory) abuse, so those programs can be "pax-marked" to relax the pax confinement
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• 3047[20:10:10] <blackflow> like, selinux doesn't break programs, bad policies do.
• 3048[20:11:05] <greycat> Feel free to create another bot factoid explaining all that.
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• 3054[20:12:43] <blackflow> greycat: your factoid is quite okay, I'd just lose the "(which may break JIT programs)"
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• 3056[20:13:12] <jelly> blackflow: it does break them. You have to whitelist apps, telling it to stop using protections and you're aware of the risks.
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• 3058[20:13:30] <jelly> I've added a grsec reference.
• 3059[20:14:22] <jelly> there's already a factoid for it, and it will be increasingly hard to use PaX outside of grsec these days (at least without paying up for support)
• 3060[20:14:28] <spacebug^> if you are really concerned about security (more paranoid than me), you should try out "Qubes OS" and then run Debian inside that as virtual machines
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• 3062[20:15:03] <phogg> That requires a lot of paranoia.
• 3063[20:15:11] <FreddyP> what about tails?
• 3064[20:15:35] <jelly> worthwhile opsec requires more than just "trying out" tails or qubes
• 3065[20:15:36] <spacebug^> FreddyP: well Qubes is security by isolation
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• 3067[20:15:55] <spacebug^> jelly: true that
• 3068[20:16:09] <jelly> and that's probably outside the scope of #debian
• 3069[20:16:15] <spacebug^> mostly about thought of actions, like it always has
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• 3071[20:16:23] <FreddyP> run an os 4 vm's deep each with spoof mac addresses
• 3072[20:16:24] <spacebug^> yeah sorry about that
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• 3074[20:17:17] <blackflow> jelly: in that case, it break much more than just JIT, that's why I don't think that particular bit is noteworthy.
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• 3076[20:17:35] <FreddyP> disconnetc your mic and camera from the board, and use virtual keyboard
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• 3079[20:18:10] <blackflow> FreddyP: as long as you use xorg, it's all false security :)
• 3080[20:18:26] <blackflow> *false sense thereof
• 3081[20:18:49] <greycat> The importart part of a bot's factoid is that when someone comes here and starts talking about a problem they have with PaX, we can ask the bot what PaX is and see "Oh, it's known to break JIT programs, find out if they're running luajit or some similar bytecode language"
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• 3084[20:20:38] <jelly> greycat: actually we'll ask them for logs first!
• 3085[20:20:44] <jelly> it's just like mail!
• 3086[20:21:09] <blackflow> heh :)
• 3087[20:21:18] <greycat> And they'll mangle all the information before letting us see it. Because obviously it would be INSECURE if we could learn that they have a user named "john".
• 3088[20:21:26] <blackflow> and it'd be correct, grsec logs all violations
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• 3092[20:21:59] <jelly> PaX and grsec bits tell exactly why they did something (usually, sigkilled a process) in dmesg
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• 3100[20:23:16] <blackflow> that and rlimit, coredumps, access to lots of stuff in /proc, ....
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• 3104[20:24:09] <rkorandy> all my gtk themes are the same
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• 3107[20:26:00] <somiaj> rkorandy: care to clarify what you mean? Is this a problem? Do you realize gtk2 and gtk3 themese are sepearte
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• 3112[20:27:35] <rkorandy> they just all look the same and i don't know how to get new ones
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• 3184[21:00:26] <somiaj> rkorandy: most do, there really isn't that much variety. Are you talking gtk2 or gtk3. There are some themes you can install/download from apt. You can also go download them from gnome/gkt sites directly, but those may not be as well integrated with debian
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• 3190[21:06:17] <rkorandy> I think it's gtk 2 but I found something called gtk-theme-switch but the preview doesn't really work
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• 3234[21:30:21] <yeehi> What is latest news on Debian developer arrested in Russia?
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• 3243[21:36:16] <somiaj> rkorandy: strange, switch2 priview feature worked for me just fine in the past.
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• 3251[21:41:11] <petn-randall> yeehi: There is not much to say beyond the statement published.
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• 3291[21:58:02] <Azrael_-> hi
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• 3302[22:01:48] <Azrael_-> i just installed ispconfig using this tutorial replaced-url
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• 3307[22:04:11] <hellb0y> hey!
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• 3310[22:07:54] <Kafei> Has anyone here experienced issues with GnuTLS during repo sync
• 3311[22:07:54] <Kafei> From what I can tell, the best option will be to rebuild curl or libcurl to use openssl instead
• 3312[22:07:54] <Kafei> Is there a workaround or solution that doesn't require building custom pkgs?
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• 3318[22:09:18] <somiaj> Kafei: is this on debian stable, testing or unstable?
• 3319[22:10:08] <autofsckk> whats the way to uninstall mariadb-server? im trying to get rid of it after one day of trying to instll it using different ways i found on google, but now i dont want it anymore but when i try to install it keep asking me for the new root password jajajaja and it says that a service is running but nothing from mysql is up, please help
• 3320[22:10:17] <autofsckk> debian is a f*** nightmare really!
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• 3322[22:10:42] <blackflow> Azrael_-: I have no idea how ispconfig sets up things, but according to that log, suexec can't open logs, probably its config points to a location not writable by the suexec user
• 3323[22:11:06] <missmbob> it's not debian's fault you used a third party repo
• 3324[22:11:29] <missmbob> you need to use dpkg --purge for those broken third party packages
• 3325[22:11:30] <autofsckk> missmbob: because the debian repo that i used first wasnt working either
• 3326[22:11:41] <nkuttler> !doesn't work
• 3327[22:11:41] <dpkg> "Doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions>, <sicco> and <errors>.
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• 3329[22:11:49] <ssarah> the other day i was asking to figure out how to apply a bunch of ladspa plugins system wide. Here's what i come up with if you're interested : replaced-url
• 3330[22:12:24] <missmbob> it's irrelevent. you need to get rid of those before we can really help you. like i said
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• 3332[22:13:55] <blackflow> Azrael_-: btw, apache, suexec, running php like that, it's ancient and painful, and quite likely insecure. Consider php-fpm and something like nginx unless you need .htaccess.
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• 3334[22:14:41] <blackflow> Azrael_-: and frankly, if you really need a panel, cPanel isn't expensive. ispconfig, it's been a while since I've seen anyone using that.
• 3335[22:14:48] <Kafei> somiaj: It's on sid, but no one in -next is answering. Still, this has been an issue I've had for a long time, so versions currently in 8 had the same issue
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• 3337[22:15:05] <somiaj> Kafei: have you checked the bug reports?
• 3338[22:15:13] <jhutchins_wk> ssarah: Cool! Well done!
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• 3340[22:15:22] <autofsckk> missmbob: when i do dkpg --purge mariadb-server-10.0 i get this replaced-url
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• 3342[22:15:55] <autofsckk> missmbob: mysqld isnt running so i dont know why this "Failed to stop mysql.service: Unit mysql.service not loaded."
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• 3344[22:16:24] <hellb0y> ?invite
• 3345[22:16:25] <Kafei> <Kafei> somiaj: It's on sid, but no one in -next is answering. Still, this has been an issue I've had for a long time, so versions currently in 8 had the same issue <-- dc'ed, dunno if this got thru
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• 3347[22:16:28] <missmbob> autofsckk: i have no idea what that says..but perhaps you'll need to use one of the --force options. maybe --force-all. man dpkg
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• 3351[22:17:12] <OS-22889> !mario
• 3352[22:17:12] <dpkg> somebody said mario was the main character in Super Mario Bros.
• 3353[22:17:15] <ssarah> jhutchins_wk, ty :) it's just missing a high frequency sharpener plugin to make it super nice. The first on the list is more for multi tasking than it is for listening to music tho. Try it out if you will. :)
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• 3355[22:17:44] <OS-22889> !luigi
• 3356[22:17:44] <dpkg> hmm... luigi is mean and grean
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• 3360[22:19:27] <hellb0y> ?
• 3361[22:20:06] <autofsckk> missmbob: isnt working replaced-url
• 3362[22:20:13] <autofsckk> you can read it in english now :d
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• 3366[22:21:52] <missmbob> autofsckk: i'm really not sure how to help you with their broken pre-removal script. wait and see if someone else in here does
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• 3371[22:23:32] <nkuttler> autofsckk: just put exit 0 on the second line for a dirty "fix"..
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• 3373[22:24:02] <somiaj> you can override prerm scripts by editing them in /var/lib/dpkg/info/package.prerm and put an exit 0 at the top of it, this will make it work, but it will also make the script not do anything, so you may have to manually clean up some artificats later
• 3374[22:24:10] <Azrael_-> blackflow: my error was, i had root mounted with the options "nodev,nosuid"
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• 3376[22:24:40] <nkuttler> is the prerm failing really fatal? the error at the end only mentions postinst
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• 3378[22:25:15] <somiaj> I didn't see the error, in my experience they usually aren't fatal, but sometimes need help cleaning up stuff the script didn't clean up because you bypassed it
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• 3380[22:25:39] <autofsckk> nkuttler: what second line? im trying to get rid of this mariadb-server-10.0 after not being able to insall, and now i try to uninstall with this dpkg --purge --force-all mariadb-server-10.0, sorry i dont understand what second line
• 3381[22:25:41] <somiaj> oh you are saying the issue is with another script, not prerm
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• 3396[22:31:09] <autofsckk> it really says just nonesense, it says that the process mysql.service cant stop and then that it couldnt load, problem with invoke-rc.d: initscript mysql jajajjaaj really this is the shitiest distro i have ever used by far, well not really, bubuntu was like 10 years ago
• 3397[22:32:01] <greycat> You're blaming Debian for the low quality of a package you got from *somewhere other than Debian*?
• 3398[22:32:09] <greycat> How does that work?
• 3399[22:32:22] <autofsckk> greycat: this isnt the first problem i have here, believe me
• 3400[22:32:45] <somiaj> If you mix things you can have lots of problems.
• 3401[22:32:49] <somiaj> !don't break debian
• 3402[22:32:50] <dpkg> i guess dont break debian is replaced-url
• 3403[22:32:54] <greycat> If you don't like it, go ahead and use something else. That's why there's variety in the world.
• 3404[22:33:09] <autofsckk> xrandr not saving configuration, so everytime i start i have to config my monitors, autostarts and many things more
• 3405[22:33:57] <somiaj> xrandr is not a tool that saves a config, if you want to change the defaults either modify the xorg.conf file, or use a desktop tool that saves/restores the settings.
• 3406[22:34:19] <greycat> Or put the xrandr commands into your dot files.
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• 3408[22:34:38] <autofsckk> greycat: i know but i have to work, i dont want to spend time configuring, thats why i stopped using arch after 8 years using it because i thought debian was way more fast to configure and start working, so bad decision really
• 3409[22:34:39] <somiaj> sounds like the issues are mostly learning how to configure things properly.
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• 3411[22:35:20] <somiaj> There is to much variety for preconfiguration to fit all needs. Debian is a stable frozen system, so once you get it configured you shouldn't need to change things, unlike a rolling release like arch.
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• 3413[22:35:29] <autofsckk> somiaj: i have tried different ways of doing it, the one i used to do for years but none of the ones i have tried works, i have spent a lot of time, believe me
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• 3416[22:35:45] <TomTomTosch> is ~/.xprofile still used for that?
• 3417[22:35:51] <greycat> No.
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• 3421[22:36:15] <autofsckk> somiaj: thats what i thought and thats why i decided to try debian
• 3422[22:36:23] <greycat> If you created and use a .xsession file you can put them in there. Otherwise, you can create a ~/.xsessionrc file (not the different file name).
• 3423[22:36:32] <greycat> note*
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• 3426[22:36:56] <somiaj> autofsckk: you are new to debian, you should take some time to learn good practices. Once you get some of these down you can really speed up a lot of this, but being new expect a learning curve.
• 3427[22:37:16] <somiaj> I don't expect to be able to jump to even another debian based distro without spending lots of extra time learning how this new os likes to configure things.
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• 3429[22:38:09] <TomTomTosch> greycat: good to know. thanks.
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• 3431[22:39:01] <somiaj> !xsession
• 3432[22:39:01] <dpkg> hmm... xsession is ~/.xsession is used for both XDM and 'startx', when there's no ~/.xinitrc. [See: startx(1)], or best initialized as `echo -e "#! /bin/sh\nsource $HOME/.bash_profile\nsource $HOME/.xinitrc" >$HOME/.xsession'
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• 3436[22:39:26] <greycat> That factoid looks like it needs to be shot.
• 3437[22:39:27] <autofsckk> somiaj: i know what you are saying, but for instance this uninstall/install problem, im used to read errors and from there look for ways to fix it, but do you think this is a little mmmmm usefull? replaced-url
• 3438[22:39:52] <jhutchins_wk> autofsckk: Take a look at the number of nics in this channel. There are literally thousands of people who have no trouble using Debian.
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• 3442[22:40:29] <autofsckk> i had to get rid of lightdm because it was crashing all the time too, so now i just login with startx, and its fine with me, but debian-lxde it really have things that dont work
• 3443[22:40:34] <jhutchins_wk> autofsckk: Distrowatch gets almost 2,000 hits per day for Debian.
• 3444[22:41:10] <greycat> dpkg, no, xsession is <reply>Debian uses ~/.xsession for startx(1) as well as *most* Display Manager logins. See replaced-url
• 3445[22:41:10] <dpkg> okay, greycat
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• 3447[22:41:12] <autofsckk> jhutchins_wk: and thats why im trying it now, but until now my experience have been very very poor
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• 3449[22:41:33] <somiaj> TomTomTosch: on debian .xsession is a nice file because it is used in various situation, though not all display manager sessions read .xsession
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• 3452[22:42:14] <somiaj> autofsckk: if this isn't a package from debian, we have no control over the scripts other people ship with their packages.
• 3453[22:42:25] <autofsckk> another thing that i had to correct was to use compton becase the windows where very very slow
• 3454[22:43:01] <autofsckk> somiaj: ok i understand that, but can you give me a hint on how to get rid of that shitty package manually please?
• 3455[22:43:07] <jhutchins_wk> autofsckk: The existence of thousands of satisfied users suggests that something in your approach, rather than the nature of Debian, may be causing your problems.
• 3456[22:43:35] <jhutchins_wk> autofsckk: I'm not trying to blame the user - just pointing out that you haven't tried to find the Debian way of doing things, instead imposing your own idea of how things should go.
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• 3458[22:43:56] <greycat> autofsckk: you were told already. Put "exit 0" near the top of the prerm script to make it not run, and purge the package. Then manually do whatever the missing prerm was supposed to do.
• 3459[22:44:02] <TomTomTosch> somiaj: the xsession wiki mentions "Finally, note that the ~/.xsession file is only read if you are using a Debian X session. If you login with gdm3 and choose a GNOME session, the ~/.xsession file will be ignored completely." I'm not so sure about that distinction...
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• 3461[22:44:13] <TomTomTosch> * xsession wiki page
• 3462[22:44:17] <autofsckk> jhutchins_wk: man i have met friends that i respect because of their knowledge and use debian, thats why im giving it a try, but really i havent found a good source of information from debian itself
• 3463[22:44:28] <greycat> TomTomTosch: It's a nightmare, yes. Fucking GNOME.
• 3464[22:44:52] <TomTomTosch> fun times.
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• 3466[22:45:08] <greycat> The *only* file that is consistently available to every GUI login type is .xsessionrc and that runs *before* and *in addition to* some other file that you can't predict.
• 3467[22:45:37] <somiaj> TomTomTosch: when using gdm3, you can choose which session you use. Such as choosing gnome, kde, xfce, etc.
• 3468[22:46:02] <somiaj> TomTomTosch: I think there is a 'Defalt' or 'Debian' session which reads .xsession, the rest will not, they will only read the predefined session files for the appropiate desktop/wm
• 3469[22:46:06] <autofsckk> greycat: i read that, but i dont know where to put it man, you mean mysql.service ? invoke-rc.d ? could you be more specific please¡
• 3470[22:46:21] <greycat> autofsckk: again, you were *TOLD* the exact path name.
• 3471[22:47:06] <greycat> 16:24 somiaj> you can override prerm scripts by editing them in /var/lib/dpkg/info/package.prerm and put an exit 0 at the top of it, this will make it work, but it will also make the script not do anything, so you may have to manually clean up some artificats later
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• 3476[22:49:00] <TomTomTosch> somiaj: i guess that makes sense. thanks.
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• 3478[22:49:57] <somiaj> and with waylend it is even only going to get more confusing....
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• 3486[22:52:35] <greycat> will we have to edit ~/.wsession files? :)
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• 3489[22:53:35] <autofsckk> greycat: thanks, ok i found this replaced-url
• 3490[22:54:20] <greycat> I am not going to attempt a detailed diagnosis of a prerm script from a package I have never used, from a source that is not Debian, on a system to which I have no access. AND NO I DO NOT WANT ACCESS.
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• 3495[22:56:17] <somiaj> on a side note, upgraded my laptop to stretch, and the modesetting drivers seem to already be working nicer than the older xserver-xorg-video-intel drivers
• 3496[22:57:01] <autofsckk> greycat: ok no problem, thanks i just removed the /etc/init.d/mysql and everything is right now
• 3497[22:57:08] <autofsckk> thanks for the help
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• 3500[22:57:45] <TomTomTosch> somiaj: noticable performance increase?
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• 3505[23:02:47] <somiaj> TomTomTosch: I can suspend my machine after I disconnect monintors long
• 3506[23:03:21] <TomTomTosch> yay, progress. ^^
• 3507[23:03:42] <autofsckk> ok so i got rid of the package, and of the source at apt/sources.list now trying to install mariadb-server from just debian servers and i still cant install it,
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• 3509[23:04:06] <greycat> what is the error?
• 3510[23:04:12] <greycat> ,v mariadb-server
• 3511[23:04:13] <judd> Package: mariadb-server on amd64 -- jessie-security: 10.0.25-0+deb8u1; jessie: 10.0.25-0+deb8u1; jessie: 10.0.27-0+deb8u1; jessie-security: 10.0.30-0+deb8u1; sid: 10.1.21-1; stretch: 10.1.22-3; sid: 10.1.22-3
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• 3515[23:05:30] <autofsckk> Failed to stop mysql.service: Unit mysql.service not loaded.
• 3516[23:05:31] <autofsckk> invoke-rc.d: initscript mysql, action "stop" failed.
• 3517[23:06:22] <autofsckk> thats where it fails, try to stop a service that doesnt exist replaced-url
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• 3519[23:06:31] <greycat> sudo systemctl status mysql
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• 3521[23:07:01] <autofsckk> replaced-url
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• 3523[23:07:29] <greycat> It can't even *find* the unit file?
• 3524[23:07:50] <greycat> This feels like you've still got lingering bits of the old package somehow in the way of the new one.
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• 3526[23:08:02] <somiaj> autofsckk: just put an exit 0 right before that line, or comment it out if it is the only one failing
• 3527[23:08:10] <somiaj> exit 0 at the top is the easiest way to bypass the whole script
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• 3529[23:08:22] <missmbob> autofsckk: can you not cut off your pastes?
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• 3532[23:11:09] <greycat> He seems to be using one of those godawful "pipe your shell command to me and I'll paste the output on the web for you" things, which doesn't show the COMMAND that was executed.
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• 3534[23:11:20] <autofsckk> missmbob: replaced-url
• 3535[23:11:49] <autofsckk> greycat: no it isnt that, but i have my console in spanish and i try to make it show in english
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• 3537[23:12:06] <autofsckk> by using this LC_ALL=c
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• 3548[23:17:03] <autofsckk> now the console doesnt work right because of the locale jajajaja shit shit shit and i have to f** work
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• 3552[23:19:12] <autofsckk> thanks for your help, i dont have time to "learn" more linux stuff jajajaja debian way i think its not my way at all :D
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• 3555[23:20:14] <autofsckk> and now it has that shitty systemd that i hate, ill rather learn a better option that systemd options
• 3556[23:20:30] <greycat> autofsckk: Again, if you don't like Debian, use something else. We won't stop you.
• 3557[23:21:10] <SuperTramp83> autofsckk, don't go or a squirrel will die :'(
• 3558[23:21:23] <autofsckk> greycat: i appreciate your help really, but i think i came to debian in a very bad time, for me and for the distro itself
• 3559[23:22:03] <greycat> I'm serious. If you dislike systemd, and if you dislike Debian for *whatever* reason (whether we agree with it or not), then choose something that works for you.
• 3560[23:22:52] <autofsckk> greycat: and i will, the thing is that it will take time to reinstall and configure ant that, ill do it the first chance ill have
• 3561[23:23:41] <autofsckk> now i run debian on my laptop and arch on a production vps server jjajajaja wtf!
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• 3574[23:30:28] <`Kevin> autofsckk: i started up a fresh container of jessie, did an apt-get install of that specific mariadb version and it is running, as greycat mentioned i think you do indeed somehow have lingering bits around from the previous install
• 3575[23:31:25] <somiaj> yea, that is the problem with unoffical packages. Debian does lots of testing with in the debian enviorment. And lots of third party places either are making ubuntu (not debian packages) or their packages are just poor quality which is why they arne't in debian.
• 3576[23:31:29] <somiaj> !don't break debian
• 3577[23:31:29] <dpkg> methinks dont break debian is replaced-url
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• 3580[23:31:45] <somiaj> that is a good read, because running random third party scripts on your system can have random issues.
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• 3584[23:32:43] <somiaj> a common misconception is oh this is a .deb I should be able to install it in Debian. This is even not suggested between versions in debian, don't install a stretch .deb in jessie for instance.
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