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2 [00:02:12] <newlinux> Hi can you skip the archive mirror and install it later after the installation itself?
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7 [00:04:30] <Azrael_-> hi
8 [00:04:40] <jhutchins> x86_register: You need to do it as a user who has permission to read the files.
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10 [00:05:24] <jhutchins> x86_register: Usually you would do this as root, who has permission for files belonging to all users.
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12 [00:05:35] <Azrael_-> at last, i made it. jessie with php5.6+7 works like a charm with ispconfig :)
13 [00:06:07] <x86_register> jhutchins, I am root for the ubuntu live session
14 [00:06:21] <x86_register> I need to get root permissions for the files on my system
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16 [00:06:43] <x86_register> Just logging in as root doesn't give me the permissions to copy the files from my laptop to my USB
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19 [00:07:30] <Azrael_-> thanks for all who helped me deciding the right source for the php7-packages (now being sury)
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22 [00:07:41] <newlinux_> Hi can you skip the archive mirror and install it later after the installation itself?
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24 [00:08:06] <x86_register> jhutchins, do you happen to know a way I can validate myself to the system, so that I have permissions to copy these files?
25 [00:08:20] <x86_register> It's my laptop, so authenticating via a password is no issue
26 [00:08:48] <Azrael_-> x86_register: exact error message? "whoami"-output? tried "sudo"?
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30 [00:10:02] <x86_register> One moment Azrael. root@ubuntu:~# whoami (output == 'root');
31 [00:10:07] <x86_register> "The folder “logs” cannot be handled because you do not have permissions to read it."
32 [00:10:30] <x86_register> Azrael, I have nautilus open as root, and when I try to copy and paste the files from my home directory to my usb
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34 [00:10:36] <x86_register> I am told "permission denied"
35 [00:10:41] <x86_register> that is the excat error message
36 [00:10:56] <x86_register> I am not prompted for a password to get permission, I am trying to find out how if necessary
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38 [00:11:16] <Azrael_-> strange, sorry, no idea
39 [00:11:21] <x86_register> I am trying to backup all my files before I attempt to repair my debian system, as it is stuck in a loop while booting (that's a dif issue)
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43 [00:12:07] <Azrael_-> perhaps you se some error-messages with "dmesg"
44 [00:13:17] <x86_register> Azrael, none that are related to my issue.
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46 [00:13:37] <newlinux_> anyone?
47 [00:14:27] <x86_register> newlinux_ if the archive doesn't contain any necessary files, then I believe yes. but I am not 100% sure.
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49 [00:16:05] <newlinux_> x86_register: I use debian-8.7.1-amd64-kde-CD-1.iso
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51 [00:16:47] <x86_register> newlinux_ then you should be able to skip that process, and install those files later, because the ISO has all files necessary
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53 [00:17:22] <x86_register> if you go to your source.list file, and remove the CD statements, then it shouldn't as you to 'insert disk' when you do 'apt-get update; apt-get upgrade'
54 [00:17:34] <x86_register> shouldn't ask you*
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56 [00:18:03] <x86_register> newlinux_ but the CD-1 iso image has all files necessary for a debian installation
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58 [00:18:15] <x86_register> the others do not, they contain extra packages
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61 [00:19:02] <newlinux_> x86_register: So go to my sources.list and then apt-get update && apt-get upgrade will result the same thing as I install the packges from the installer itself?
62 [00:19:53] <x86_register> That question confuses me newlinux_ . Are you installing debian or is it already installed?
63 [00:20:12] <newlinux_> x86_register: Im installing debian.
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66 [00:20:32] <newlinux_> But I got bad archive mirror
67 [00:20:40] <x86_register> ahhhh
68 [00:20:53] <newlinux_> So my question is, IF I skip this step and then apt-get install, Will it result the same thing?
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70 [00:21:08] <x86_register> As long as your sources are correct, yes.
71 [00:21:25] <newlinux_> or is there any extra packages during the install?
72 [00:21:31] <newlinux_> ok
73 [00:21:57] <newlinux_> can any else confirm this please?
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76 [00:22:24] <innmalint> Having a problem w/ just a black screen while trying to install Nvidia drivers. From a
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78 [00:22:51] <innmalint> ..."minimal install" without X I then apt-get installed nvidia-driver and nvidia-xconfig. Rebooted and I'm at a black screen
79 [00:23:09] <newlinux_> innmalint: Did you install the Nvida drivers from backports?
80 [00:23:26] <newlinux_> apt-get install nvidida-drivers
81 [00:23:39] <x86_register> I managed to copy the critical files needed. I shall get back to my issue at another time.
82 [00:23:41] <x86_register> thansk again
83 [00:23:52] <x86_register> "There is no system but GNU and Linux is one of it's Kernels"
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85 [00:24:25] <innmalint> newlinux_: I did not. I noticed that in the documentation but I didn't see why that method was preferred over the normal repos
86 [00:24:50] <innmalint> I should add, stock minimal install and upgraded to 'testing' before the install. That might be helpful..
87 [00:25:24] <newlinux_> I did this
88 [00:25:25] <newlinux_> apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r)
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90 [00:25:54] <innmalint> I'm almost sure the installer ran that, but I will try that out.
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92 [00:26:11] <newlinux_> Then
93 [00:26:13] <newlinux_> apt-get install nvidia-driver
94 [00:26:17] <newlinux_> from backports
95 [00:26:41] <newlinux_> If you are on jessie
96 [00:26:44] <newlinux_> apt-get -t jessie-backports install nvidia-driver
97 [00:27:01] <newlinux_> ^
98 [00:27:32] <innmalint> I'm on 'testing' -- even if headers are already installed I could try dpkg-reconfigure maybe>
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106 [00:32:44] <innmalint> newlinux_: linux-headers are already installed. dpkg-reconfigure wasn't helpful either
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110 [00:35:06] <newlinux_> innmalint: what graphic card are you use btw?
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115 [00:38:09] <innmalint> newlinux_: 660ti. reviving the machine from the dead
116 [00:38:29] <innmalint> turns out adding 'nomodeset' to the grub config has gotten me a TTY though!
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127 [00:46:38] <newlinux_> why is there no debian gnome or mate .iso to download?
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129 [00:47:06] <mtn> newlinux_: the netinstall iso has many de options
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131 [00:47:35] <newlinux_> mtn: sure, but why is there no .iso option as debian-8.7.1-amd64-kde-CD-1.iso?
132 [00:48:08] <mtn> newlinux_: the normal cd 1 iso will have gnome on it
133 [00:48:17] <dax> mostly
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135 [00:48:34] <dax> unless you don't have internet access during installation, you're really better off just using the netinstall
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140 [00:50:46] <kingsley> Is my assumption correct that to be able to "import" a module into a python script, the module should be installed by a so called "binary" Debian package, and not a "source' one?
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149 [00:54:19] <kingsley> newlinux_: Short answer: I dunno. Long answer: At least in the past, Debian developers sometimes sacrificed ease of install for ease of (on-going) maintenance, and maybe customizability.
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169 [01:07:31] <JMichaelX> will fglrx work in debian stable? i am trying to make use of a machine with a Radeon 6310HD GPU, and am wondering if there is any way to achieve decent video playback with this GPU
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183 [01:14:03] <JMichaelX> maybe a better question to ask is whether or not it is worthwhile to try using fglrx in debian stable
184 [01:15:03] <bazhang> fglrx from where
185 [01:15:31] <JMichaelX> from main contrib non-free
186 [01:15:44] <bazhang> whats the video card
187 [01:16:06] <JMichaelX> Radeon HD 6310
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189 [01:16:22] <bazhang> how old is that
190 [01:16:33] <JMichaelX> hmm, ca 2011, i believe
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208 [01:25:58] <Fasort> xset -b s off dpms 0 0 120
209 [01:26:09] <Fasort> I have : xset -b s off dpms 0 0 120. in my .xinitrc. but sometimes screen wont turn off.. the only solution to this is reboot or log in again. can any one help me sort it out please?
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217 [01:29:13] <Fasort> hmm
218 [01:29:19] <Fasort> anyone?
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257 [01:54:50] <xthree> Is there a website you can use to check to see if hardware is linux compatible?
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261 [01:56:32] <phogg> xthree: I don't know of anything that will give you a one stop simple answer.
262 [01:56:41] <phogg> xthree: What hardware are you looking at buying?
263 [01:57:07] <xthree> i am buying a tp link pci wifi card
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265 [01:58:24] <xthree> the L-WDN4800 N900
266 [01:59:00] <Fasort> I have : xset -b s off dpms 0 0 120. in my .xinitrc. but sometimes screen wont turn off.. the only solution to this is reboot or log in again. can any one help me sort it out please?
267 [02:00:18] <phogg> xthree: That appears to be supported. You can generally put the component name+model into google and add the term "Linux" to get an idea of whether there is support and what it takes.
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270 [02:02:02] <phogg> Fasort: Do you want the screen to never turn off?
271 [02:02:21] <Fasort> phogg, I want the screen to turn off on idle
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275 [02:04:19] <n-iCe> ok
276 [02:04:24] <n-iCe> should I install testing now?
277 [02:04:32] <n-iCe> since the new release is coming?
278 [02:04:49] <phogg> Fasort: Maybe your monitor doesn't support turning off. Try putting your 120 into the middle field and see what happens.
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281 [02:05:21] <phogg> Fasort: Or, maybe something makes X think there is activity.
282 [02:05:41] <ILikeUnity7_> I would like to talk about switching to Debian.
283 [02:06:03] <phogg> My favorite subject.
284 [02:06:19] <abrotman> n-iCe: perhaps you mean stretch, not testing?
285 [02:06:31] <n-iCe> maybe abff
286 [02:06:33] <n-iCe> abrotman,
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290 [02:06:48] <Fasort> phogg, it does turn off but sometimes it doesnt then I have to reboot or re login :(
291 [02:07:05] <ILikeUnity7_> How stable is Debian Testing? Also, how recent is the software?
292 [02:07:27] <alekz> ILikeUnity7_: it's about to get stable
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294 [02:09:57] <abff> n-iCe sup?
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301 [02:10:54] <alekz> ILikeUnity7: you may find this intersting: replaced-url
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304 [02:12:38] <ILikeUnity7> Ok... But how stable is Testing generally?
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306 [02:13:25] <abff> very
307 [02:13:44] <ILikeUnity7> Very stable? Also, what about recent packages?
308 [02:13:55] <abff> depends on the maintainer
309 [02:14:15] <abff> I see a few people complain about "why isn't this package in unstable yet" whine whine
310 [02:14:17] <abff> but not often
311 [02:15:02] <ILikeUnity7> What Linux kernel version is currently being used in Testing?
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313 [02:15:11] <alekz> I'm using the RC3, and there's been few dependency fights
314 [02:15:38] <alekz> ILikeUnity7: I'm running 4.9.18-1
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316 [02:15:59] <ILikeUnity7> 4.9? Why not 1.10...
317 [02:16:03] <ILikeUnity7> *4.10
318 [02:16:18] <alekz> I'm not in the dev team, sorry
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320 [02:16:54] <ILikeUnity7> How stable is Unstable?
321 [02:16:58] <abrotman> ILikeUnity7: that's not how Debian work
322 [02:16:58] <abff> one sec updating
323 [02:16:59] <abff> very
324 [02:16:59] <abrotman> works
325 [02:17:00] <abff> I use it
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327 [02:17:10] <ILikeUnity7> Unstable is really not unstable?
328 [02:17:10] <abrotman> No, it's not "very" stable
329 [02:17:18] <alekz> ILikeUnity7: but I do read the mails, so this can be interesting for you replaced-url
330 [02:17:25] <abrotman> It's currently more stable because Testing is nearing release
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333 [02:17:39] <abrotman> The period after a release is extremely turbulent
334 [02:17:39] <ILikeUnity7> hmm...
335 [02:18:06] <ILikeUnity7> Debian development is slow, so any alternatives? (I want to stop using Ubuntu)
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338 [02:18:18] <abrotman> dpkg: slushy
339 [02:18:19] <dpkg> When a <testing> release becomes frozen, <unstable> tends to partially freeze as well. This is because developers are reluctant to upload radically new software to unstable, in case the frozen software in testing needs minor updates and to fix release critical bugs which keep testing from becoming <stable>.
340 [02:18:20] <abff> abrotman I didn't think of that, but you can just hold off updating everything for a month or so before it stabilizses
341 [02:18:39] <abrotman> abff: which may or may not work. You can't time everything
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344 [02:19:16] <abff> abrotman best foot forward
345 [02:20:13] <abrotman> More or less, you sohuldn't recommend anyone else run Unstable
346 [02:20:16] <abff> ILikeUnity7 the trade off for bleeding edge will always be instability. Debian's unstable is really not that "unstable" but it can be. If you want current binaries you will probably want to be compiling them yourself
347 [02:20:23] <ILikeUnity7> Is it possible to easily use current versions of all software in testing?
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349 [02:20:58] <abrotman> ILikeUnity7: you mean without security patches?
350 [02:22:08] <ILikeUnity7> I mean with ALL updates currently available
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352 [02:22:31] <ILikeUnity7> For example, the latest LibreOffice, GNOME, Linux etc.
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354 [02:22:44] <abrotman> ILikeUnity7: you want to upgrade Testing?
355 [02:23:01] <ILikeUnity7> I use Ubuntu, but I'm thinking about switching to Debian
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357 [02:24:10] <abrotman> ILikeUnity7: I'd recommend waiting until Stretch releases, then trying that in a VM to see if it suits your needs
358 [02:24:35] <ILikeUnity7> I like using VMs. Also, should Linux Mint be a possibility?
359 [02:24:47] <Fasort> Mint
360 [02:24:49] <Fasort> I like mint
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362 [02:24:57] <Fasort> I mean the mint we taste not the mint distro
363 [02:25:02] <ILikeUnity7> Oh...
364 [02:25:10] <ILikeUnity7> (thumbs down)
365 [02:25:33] <Fasort> nice name thou. linux mint..
366 [02:25:34] <alekz> ILikeUnity7: it all depend of your needs
367 [02:25:36] <ILikeUnity7> What about fedora
368 [02:25:57] <Fasort> idk about fedora. it doesnt sound foodish to me. so I dont really care for it
369 [02:26:06] <Fasort> debian is good because it has tons of packages
370 [02:26:16] <abrotman> ILikeUnity7: this channel is about Debian .. if you want to ask about all the distros, maybe ask ##linux
371 [02:26:23] <bazhang> ILikeUnity7, why not distro shop in ##linux
372 [02:26:31] <bazhang> whoops
373 [02:27:04] <ILikeUnity7> Ok, I'll go there.
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382 [02:32:41] <newlinux> Hi, Should I use [arch=amd64] in sources.list if Im using amd64. Or could I also use the normal deb replaced-url
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384 [02:33:02] <abrotman> newlinux: you mean in yur apt.conf?
385 [02:33:08] <newlinux> no in sources.list
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387 [02:33:41] <abrotman> you don't have to if you're only using one architecture AIUI
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389 [02:33:53] <xthree> does debian still use 3.16 as the default
390 [02:34:04] <newlinux> Should I use deb [arch=amd64] replaced-url
391 [02:34:26] <newlinux> abrotman: How do I know?
392 [02:35:02] <abrotman> you'd probably know
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397 [02:36:39] <newlinux> abrotman: I installed debian-8.7.1-amd64-kde-CD-1.iso, thats what I know.
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399 [02:36:58] <TomTomTosch> you don't need it.
400 [02:37:00] <newlinux> abrotman: So how do I know if I need the [arch=amd64] in sources list or not?
401 [02:37:13] <newlinux> TomTomTosch: Okay thank you. May I ask how you know?
402 [02:37:28] <TomTomTosch> because it's only relevant in a multiarch setup.
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404 [02:37:47] <TomTomTosch> and then also not neccessary.
405 [02:37:54] <newlinux> ok thank you
406 [02:37:57] <newlinux> :)
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497 [03:54:59] <JMichaelX> if there is anyone here using fglrx in debian stable, please tell me your feelings about it. i am wondering whether or not it would be worthwhile to give it a try
498 [03:55:12] <anotherus3r> Hi How do I know if I have firewall enabled on my machine? I use debian jessie
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501 [03:56:01] <missmbob> JMichaelX: it's incompatible with gnome in debian stable and removed in testing
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504 [03:56:30] <JMichaelX> missmbob: yes. i was going to give it a try with LXDE or XFCE
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506 [03:57:07] <missmbob> anotherus3r: default is no firewall. so unless you enabled one you dont have one
507 [03:57:33] <anotherus3r> missmbob: How do I check?
508 [03:58:30] <missmbob> anotherus3r: see if iptables -L lists rules
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516 [04:06:46] <kion> I am just about to update jessie to stretch, but on my sources.list I have jessie-backports, should I rename them to stretch-backports, is there such a thing? or should I just coment them out?
517 [04:07:06] <transhuman_> hi having no luck with dd and an ISO and a USB drive is there any USB creator for debian linke usb-creator-gtk as a second method?
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519 [04:07:19] <transhuman_> s/linke /like
520 [04:07:58] <missmbob> kion: you can change it to stretch-backports. there's nothing in there yet but it'll be ready when there is
521 [04:07:59] <dvs> transhuman_, dd should work.
522 [04:08:16] <missmbob> transhuman_: or cp. cp foo.iso /dev/sdX
523 [04:08:17] <transhuman_> the command I tried using was dd if=distro.iso of=/dev/sdd bs=512 no luck
524 [04:08:21] <transhuman_> ok
525 [04:08:55] <missmbob> transhuman_: cp is harder to mess up. try that
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527 [04:09:10] <dvs> missmbob, you didn't sync!!!!
528 [04:09:24] <kion> missmbob, I am running the backports kernel 4.7, will it automaticly update to 4.9? or will this be a problem/
529 [04:09:25] * missmbob slaps dvs
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531 [04:09:55] <missmbob> kion: it should if you installed linux-image-amd64 and not some specific version directly
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533 [04:10:30] <kion> missmbob, ok cool, i think I did it from apt... :)
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544 [04:19:04] <anotherus3r> Do I really need a DHCP client? It creates problems with my internet connection when I run the OpenVPN. /etc/resolv.conf keeps resetting itself. The machine has not rebooted
545 [04:20:23] <missmbob> anotherus3r: you could set immutable bit on resolv.conf so it cannot be altered
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550 [04:21:07] <missmbob> sudo chattr +i /etc/resolv.conf
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603 [05:06:48] <lux_> Wow finally I get my Deb box connected to the internet. Winmodems suck
604 [05:08:05] <lux_> I had this ZOOM modem using connectant(sp) drivers and nothing would work. I broke down, bought a hardware PCIe modem and...
605 [05:08:09] <lux_> NO CARRIER :D
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612 [05:18:56] <plasmoduck> modem?
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614 [05:19:06] <plasmoduck> people still use dialup?
615 [05:19:13] <lux_> its great
616 [05:19:23] <lux_> better then spotty stolen wifi ;)
617 [05:19:41] <qman__> the irony is you're probably dailing up over VoIP hardware somewhere along the line
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619 [05:19:56] <plasmoduck> how do you like with 5kb/s download speeds?
620 [05:19:59] <lux_> yeah I bet tho its a real land line
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622 [05:20:16] <lux_> takes only 1 week to download a movie =P
623 [05:20:20] <plasmoduck> live
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625 [05:22:54] <lux_> Setting it up as a webserver. Don't worry large files will be stored at the ISP personal web space :D !!
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627 [05:23:51] <epsilon> Dial-up sound 700% slower replaced-url
628 [05:24:37] <lux_> for such an expensive modem it sure has a horrible sound while connecting
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632 [05:27:19] <userro> I'm currently on 5kb/s speed
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634 [05:27:20] <userro> rip
635 [05:27:37] <lux_> its fine if you know how to use it
636 [05:28:03] <userro> I'm on 2g xD
637 [05:28:13] <lux_> ie no streaming youtube or using a search engine that starts with G
638 [05:28:32] <userro> my wifi broke
639 [05:28:37] <Sir_Designer> lux_ you can google fine in lynx
640 [05:28:41] <lux_> my wifi is stolen
641 [05:28:47] <lux_> use startpage.com
642 [05:28:52] <Sir_Designer> over dialup
643 [05:28:55] <lux_> much quicker
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645 [05:29:23] <lux_> lynx is sweet
646 [05:29:44] <lux_> I mostly BBS because thats fast as can be
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648 [05:32:01] <epsilon> wat <
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650 [05:32:53] <epsilon> BBS? sure you are not using a time tunnel something and talk to us from past?
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652 [05:34:26] <lux_> its Apr 1997 right guys?
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654 [05:34:34] <userro> Are you John Titor? :p
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656 [05:35:00] <lux_> BBS is alive and well folks
657 [05:35:03] <missmbob> !chat
658 [05:35:03] <dpkg> This is not a chat channel, this is a Debian user support channel. Unless you have a Debian support question, please chat elsewhere, like #moocows on irc.oftc.net or ##chat on irc.freenode.net.
659 [05:35:13] <lux_> right sorry.
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671 [05:43:51] <thereyougo> if I login remotely to debian, how to find out what debian version is it ? cat /etc/motd ? cat /dev/version ? anything else ?
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673 [05:44:31] <missmbob> thereyougo: cat /etc/debian_version
674 [05:45:05] <missmbob> lsb_release -a
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695 [06:04:28] <RustyJ> why does debian 8.7 come with such an old kernel?
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697 [06:05:32] <missmbob> RustyJ: it was frozen in 2014-11-05
698 [06:05:54] <RustyJ> frozen? please explain
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702 [06:06:40] <RustyJ> i'm not trolling i seriously wonder why such an old kernel is being used.
703 [06:06:40] <missmbob> RustyJ: before release it gets frozen, meaning no new packages get in. this is to make things stable/fix bugs before release
704 [06:06:50] <RustyJ> ahhhhh
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707 [06:07:12] <missmbob> RustyJ: there is 4.9 kernel is jessie-backports if you need it
708 [06:07:46] <RustyJ> i actually do need it and it is installed.
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710 [06:08:01] <RustyJ> thanks.... so the kernel was from 8.0?
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712 [06:08:30] <user334743> I read on the debian installation tutorial page that it is good use encryption on the swap and /tmp partitions but whenever I am trying to make a random key partition for /tmp the partition appears as another swap. What could I be doing wrong?
713 [06:08:41] <missmbob> RustyJ: yes. but with security patches added to it
714 [06:09:10] <RustyJ> gotcha! missmbob, thanks for your quick sensible answers
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735 [06:29:20] <user334743> Ok, I found this replaced-url
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753 [06:49:21] <buu> I've got a weird issue, when I reboot I get to the grub screen but I need to edit the boot options but neither e nor c do anything on the grub menu
754 [06:49:27] <buu> I can use the arrow keys but not any of the letter keys
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763 [06:55:14] <dez> Hi. I tried to do the manual part via root in recovery mode in this replaced-url
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765 [06:55:25] <dez> and now debian boots but without a gui
766 [06:55:36] <dez> nvidia is a quadro
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779 [07:02:38] <alekz> dez: there's a lot of missing information in order to get help
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784 [07:05:00] <nickgaw> Hi, I am trying to find out either how to download a 650 meg debian-installer disc for testing rc3 and use the firmware I either put on an usb stick or use debian-cd on my existing sid and experimental system to build a 650 meg disc that also has non-free firmware included in it like the net installation does what is the best option and could I do the debian-cd method?
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786 [07:06:48] <missmbob> !firmware iso
787 [07:06:49] <dpkg> Unofficial <netinst> images - containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for installing Debian 8 "Jessie" are available from replaced-url
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793 [07:07:24] <missmbob> here are the ones for stretch rc3 replaced-url
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795 [07:07:44] <acresearch> people, there might be an issue with VPN in debian. can someone help me identify the issue?
796 [07:08:22] <nickgaw> I know about those I would like a disc that has more then just the base system on it and a small selection of packages do they not make testing 650 meg discs anymore as looking on cdimage I can not find them?
797 [07:09:56] <missmbob> just xfce one *without* firmware replaced-url
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799 [07:11:25] <nickgaw> That is strange as normally they have other discs around so is there no way to build my own?
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801 [07:12:09] <missmbob> they'll make others once it's released. just not for rc's. replaced-url
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803 [07:13:02] <themill> Last I heard there were no plans to make additional CDs any more
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805 [07:19:47] <acresearch> what is the difference between debian and ubuntu in VPN connectivity? vpn seems to work better in ubuntu than debian, why?
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808 [07:22:00] <dez> i have used multiple vpns in debian and ubuntu and it seems the same
809 [07:22:06] <dez> ubuntu is easier to config though
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815 [07:31:55] <nickgaw> The simple-cdd might be what I am looking for but not sure if the package allows the boot options to be selected or not during the installation process as I am trying to build a 650 meg disc that automatically starts software speech in low priority mode on amd64 and also includes the non-free firmware that is included on testing unofficial disc is this possible or do I need to use the full debian-cdd method for this process?
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832 [07:47:50] <giusboh> Hi all; using jessie 8.x; journalctl -b | grep error gives a bunch of errors like debian org.gtk.Private.UDisks2VolumeMonitor[5220]: index_parse.c:191: indx_parse(): error opening /media/giuseppe/hdd-dati/googledrive/BDMV/BACKUP/index.bdmv. any help will be greatly aprreciated.
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862 [08:15:46] <linux-beginner-2> Since today I get this message about "suspend/resume" device using stretch in VBox. Used stretch since months without problems. This above makes my boot process about 2 minutes longer:
863 [08:15:47] <linux-beginner-2> replaced-url
864 [08:15:54] <linux-beginner-2> any idead about this?
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866 [08:16:20] <linux-beginner-2> Message is "Gave up waiting for suspend/resume device"
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876 [08:27:12] <no_gravity> Good Morning
877 [08:27:14] <no_gravity> I would like to test a file in the Microsoft Excel viewer. What would be a quick way to do that? Instal Wine in a VM and then run the Excel viewer in it?
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916 [08:54:13] <buu> Can someone suggest a reason why a pcie card would generate "surprise down" errors on debian unstable but not debian stable?
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923 [09:00:56] <evilman_work> buu: different kernel versions and the different driver versions.
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943 [09:17:13] <buu> evilman_work: Boy. That's annoying.
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947 [09:19:23] <evilman_work> buu: can you paste some info about these errors? dmesg output, ethtool -S output.
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950 [09:20:17] <buu> sure
951 [09:21:05] <buu> well, maybe
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956 [09:22:38] <evilman_work> buu: what NIC do you use? show 'lspci -vvvk' output of this network card. also 'ethtool -i <iface>' will be helpful.
957 [09:22:38] <buu> hmm, new problem
958 [09:22:50] <buu> Why is my mellanox card showing in ifconfig as (UNSPEC)
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961 [09:23:23] <thereyougo> missmbob: thanks
962 [09:23:59] <buu> replaced-url
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965 [09:24:35] <Azrael_-> hi
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967 [09:27:39] <evilman_work> busch: replaced-url
968 [09:27:47] <evilman_work> buu: replaced-url
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972 [09:30:54] <evilman_work> buu: workaround: build and install vanilla kernel. send the bug report to kernel package maintainers of debian.
973 [09:31:16] <holycow> hi all. i need to tell debian to not grab a controller on boot so that it is available to be assigned to a kvm guest
974 [09:31:35] <holycow> anyone know how this is done? i'm not googling the specific detail amongst the forrest of kvm posts
975 [09:32:03] <holycow> xen has a specific boot command for this ... how doe sdebian handle it?
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977 [09:32:11] <dutchfish> holycow, if the controller is a kernelmodule, you could blacklist it.
978 [09:32:44] <dutchfish> holycow, that way the host won't load it
979 [09:32:47] <holycow> well, lets say it is a generic usb controller (third part) and i want the device to not be hooked by the host os by device id?
980 [09:33:03] <holycow> if i blacklist the generic usb drivers no usb controllers will work
981 [09:34:20] <dutchfish> holycow, its possible to blacklist a usb device, look at udev rules and how to implement them for your needs
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983 [09:34:31] <holycow> hmmm k.
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985 [09:34:52] <dutchfish> holycow, it depends largely on how your particular usb device operates
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987 [09:35:29] <holycow> i could have sworn i read somewhere that i just add the pcid for the device to some boot parameter to ignore it, but everything is getting blurry, i've read so much
988 [09:35:46] <dutchfish> holycow, a better way is to go through iommu, but only the latest kernels have sufficient support for this
989 [09:36:06] <holycow> kernel 4.1 or greater i presume?
990 [09:36:20] <dutchfish> holycow, more like 4.9 and later
991 [09:36:26] <holycow> holy crap
992 [09:36:27] <holycow> k.
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994 [09:37:02] <dutchfish> holycow, maybe now is a good time to setup a debian testing system (as i did), for testing those new things
995 [09:37:19] <dutchfish> holycow, running xen and kvm myself
996 [09:37:36] <holycow> yeah, esxi but started using xen
997 [09:37:38] <buu> evilman_work: is the problem I need a newer version of the kernel?
998 [09:37:50] <holycow> xenserver is fine but its prickly. i just discovered kvm and it is very very very straight forward
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1000 [09:38:08] <holycow> i cannot for the life of me tell the host os to let go of this controller so i can share it with a guest.
1001 [09:38:13] <holycow> dutchfish: great nick btw
1002 [09:38:21] <evilman_work> buu: yep.
1003 [09:38:21] <holycow> dutchfish: what do you preffer? kvm or xen?
1004 [09:38:23] <dutchfish> holycow, both have there nice features, but i am not in to discuss that in here.
1005 [09:38:33] <holycow> fair enough
1006 [09:39:00] <Hitec-User> Hello!
1007 [09:39:11] <buu> evilman_work: ok thanks
1008 [09:39:12] <dutchfish> holycow, also take a peak at containers in those newer kernels
1009 [09:39:20] <evilman_work> buu: you're welcome
1010 [09:39:43] <dutchfish> holycow, gl
1011 [09:40:16] <Hitec-User> I want to know what channel I do use to have help to root Cubot X12 (MT6735) with debian PC?
1012 [09:40:22] <Hitec-User> please
1013 [09:40:44] <holycow> dutchfish: worth it i guess? k. i started reading about that recently. i had no idea development had been going on for 5+ years on those features
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1017 [09:42:03] <holycow> Hitec-User: oh you re going to have to google those groups first. there is sda-developers.com that deal with just that sort of thing, however, chances re they are not working on your device
1018 [09:42:16] <holycow> either way start there and google. once you find the group working on that, they usually have an irc chan.
1019 [09:42:19] <holycow> best i can do
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1022 [09:45:29] <Hitec-User> Thanks holycow. I go on sda-developers.com. Have a nice day.
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1029 [09:49:36] <dutchfish> holycow, bookmark this one for later: replaced-url
1030 [09:50:44] <holycow> added to my todo, have not read that yet
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1032 [09:51:13] <holycow> thank you kindly
1033 [09:51:23] <dutchfish> holycow, yw
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1039 [09:55:42] <dutchfish> holycow, and a cute intro for usb replaced-url
1040 [09:56:14] <holycow> oh, that looks super userful
1041 [09:58:04] <dutchfish> holycow, just for the record, i am not using proxmox, but debian/testing.
1042 [09:58:41] <holycow> i would preffer to use debian as well. kvm seems very well thought out and non intrusive
1043 [09:59:01] <dutchfish> holycow, affermative.
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1048 [10:00:16] <dutchfish> holycow, but latest xen do have iommu support as well, and xen is still the performance winner
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1050 [10:00:55] <dutchfish> holycow, it all depends on your needs
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1053 [10:01:29] <holycow> i was running xenserver 7.whatever for teseting purposes. it seems quite nice. as a tier 1 (level 1, whatever) hypervisor it really constrains the dom0 side of things
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1055 [10:01:35] <holycow> great for hosting companies
1056 [10:02:08] <dutchfish> holycow, and if you are expirimenting with AI ;)
1057 [10:02:22] <holycow> heh, is that what you do?
1058 [10:02:29] <dutchfish> holycow, yes
1059 [10:02:47] <holycow> neat. there have been a lot of things open sourced over the last year or so
1060 [10:02:48] <holycow> or two
1061 [10:03:06] <dutchfish> holycow, also running it on small clusters of debian, thats a different way of process separation
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1063 [10:04:20] <dutchfish> holycow, join #debian-offtopic for more. It is going to much offtopic, this is a debian support channel after all.
1064 [10:04:30] <holycow> oh, had no idea that existed
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1071 [10:14:12] <buu> Is make menuconfig still the standard way of starting a kernel?
1072 [10:14:20] <buu> is there a defaults/debian defaults quick way
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1093 [10:27:15] <user2> is it possible to set the colors on the run level 3 console (not just bg/fg but full color scheme e.g. solarized)?
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1109 [10:40:19] <jpw> is it possible using strace or something similar to determine what environment variables a piece of software is attempting to read from / write to?
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1112 [10:41:51] <Brigo> jpw, yes, strace should do that
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1114 [10:43:03] <jpw> the problem is that strictly speaking getenv isn't a system call. so i was wondering if it wasn't picking it up or if the software wasn't trying to access any envvars.
1115 [10:43:13] <jpw> i'll assume the latter, cheers.
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1117 [10:43:37] <linux> ciao
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1119 [10:44:03] <linux> come install nvidia su debian
1120 [10:44:31] <Brigo> !it
1121 [10:44:31] <dpkg> Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
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1124 [10:46:06] <Brigo> jpw, you are right, it looks like you need ltrace: replaced-url
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1127 [10:48:37] <linux> problema con nvidia su debian
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1129 [10:49:10] <linux> come install karnel debian 3.16.0-4
1130 [10:49:32] <babilen> linux: If you want help in here, you'd have to speak English
1131 [10:49:46] <babilen> (and be more specific about the problems you encounter)
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1133 [10:50:23] <linux> dependecy failed for /dev/disk/by-uuid/a688bac7-
1134 [10:50:33] <linux> problem
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1140 [10:54:39] <linux> help
1141 [10:54:49] <linux> please
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1145 [10:55:22] <linux> install nvidia version 375.39 geforce 940 m
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1152 [11:00:14] <Dreaman> is old kernel not support this driver
1153 [11:01:04] <linux> yes
1154 [11:01:18] <linux> karnel debian
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1157 [11:02:10] <babilen> linux: So, what did you do exactly?
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1160 [11:02:51] <Pavr> n
1161 [11:03:25] <Pavr> bhvmll,.-wd,
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1163 [11:03:55] <linux> I followed the guide on site debian But when Facio black screen reboot
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1170 [11:04:58] <Dreaman> linux my ubuntu use 4.10 and nvidia 940 mx 4gb vddr5 work
1171 [11:05:23] <Dreaman> may be upgreat to testing
1172 [11:05:45] <Dreaman> x.org not work with this
1173 [11:05:51] <Dreaman> stable debian
1174 [11:05:59] <Dreaman> your choice
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1180 [11:07:39] <linux> my version 375.39 geforce 940m
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1182 [11:07:57] <Dreaman> my is this is driver version
1183 [11:08:39] <Dreaman> to pld kernel and x.org not work with this driver
1184 [11:08:53] <Dreaman> old
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1187 [11:09:58] <linux> I have done all guides them on Seto debian but nothing to do Sampre black screen
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1194 [11:11:13] <linux> medice did he miss gcc karnel
1195 [11:11:17] <linux> gcc
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1197 [11:12:19] <Dreaman> this is my comment i not support just user
1198 [11:13:00] <linux> ok thanax
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1246 [11:52:57] <buu> evilman_work: Hey, any idea which version of the kernel I need?
1247 [11:54:46] <evilman_work> buu: better use the last stable with lts.
1248 [11:55:24] <buu> hrm
1249 [11:55:27] <buu> I tried 4.10.10
1250 [11:55:31] <buu> same error
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1315 [12:42:38] <buu> uh
1316 [12:42:45] <buu> Which grub packages should I have installed?
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1329 [12:50:08] <JyZyXEL> cifs: Unknown symbol vfs_submount (err 0)
1330 [12:50:19] <JyZyXEL> why do i get that when trying to mount a samba share?
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1337 [12:51:46] <JyZyXEL> % sudo modprobe cifs :(
1338 [12:51:48] <JyZyXEL> modprobe: ERROR: could not insert 'cifs': Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg)
1339 [12:52:00] <JyZyXEL> ah broken kernel
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1342 [12:57:05] <themill> JyZyXEL: you probably installed a new kernel and haven't rebooted
1343 [12:57:12] <JyZyXEL> yes
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1351 [13:03:52] <Jubei> anybody ever manage to mount EncFS over CIFS with Autofs ?:) If anybody has a minute to take a look, at the bottom of this log is the debug output from autofs: replaced-url
1352 [13:04:26] <Jubei> starting at line 57
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1373 [13:13:19] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
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1407 [13:41:44] <Enrico_Menotti> I'm setting up the keyboard mapping in my embedded Debian system. After changing the symbols file, I had to delete the cached files in /etc/console-setup and run setupcon --save. This recreates the cached files. However, afterwards the system does not recognise these cached files and runs ckbcomp again at each boot and each time I execute setupcon. Based on the verbose output from setupcon, seems that loadkeys loads
1408 [13:41:44] <Enrico_Menotti> a tmp file instead of the cached one.
1409 [13:41:59] <Enrico_Menotti> Anyone knows how to get the system use the cached files?
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1418 [13:44:33] <DeaDSouL> Hi, is anyone one familiar with 'T' file permission? (output of `ls -lah` is 'drwxrw-r-T 1 root users 90 Feb 10 23:18 My_Folder')
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1426 [13:47:42] <centrx> DeaDSouL: Looks like that is the sticky bit?
1427 [13:47:55] <DeaDSouL> centrx: yes right :)
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1430 [13:48:33] <jpw> DeaDSouL: it has no effect in linux when set to the world bit.
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1436 [13:52:09] <DeaDSouL> sticky bit is a great permission that saves lots of headache :p
1437 [13:52:27] <DeaDSouL> at least for me :P
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1440 [13:53:18] <jpw> selinux is better although significantly harder
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1459 [13:59:22] <ILikeUnity7> nice name
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1465 [14:01:40] <Krisostoomus> Any cunts here?
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1487 [14:10:52] <Jubei> I'm using autofs to mount an encrypted directory using encfs. The problem is that regular users cannot access this directory. Only root can. Any ideas on how to remedy this?
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1490 [14:11:32] <jonathan_x> Jubei: shouldn't autofs acquire the permissions of the mount itself?
1491 [14:11:39] <jonathan_x> ie. it has nothing to do with autofs?
1492 [14:11:57] <Jubei> jonathan_x autofs allows you to mount folders in a specific folder that it controls itself
1493 [14:12:05] <jonathan_x> I know that
1494 [14:12:20] <jonathan_x> but it would normally use the permissions of the mount as usual.
1495 [14:12:21] <Jubei> jonathan_x so that folder is controlled by autofs i.e. by root
1496 [14:12:39] <jonathan_x> it uses regular system calls you know.
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1498 [14:12:45] <jonathan_x> I'm just asking you know.
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1500 [14:12:53] <Jubei> jonathan_x "it would normally use the permissions of the mount as usual." <-- I don't understand this statement
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1502 [14:13:14] <jonathan_x> have you mounted manually?
1503 [14:13:16] <Jubei> jonathan_x I know it uses regular system calls but it does "mkdir" to create the folder for the mount point on demand
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1505 [14:13:41] <Jubei> jonathan_x when I mount manually using encfs everything works fine. When I mount via autofs only root can access that folder
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1508 [14:14:44] <jonathan_x> so encfs doesn't set the owner and permissions of the directory?
1509 [14:15:05] <Jubei> jonathan_x hmm... I'm not sure about that. Let me do a bit of searching. Thanks.
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1514 [14:17:39] <Jubei> jonathan_x that was it :) I had to use the command line option --public to force Encfs to allow other people to look at the mount point
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1516 [14:17:44] <Jubei> jonathan_x thank you very much :)
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1520 [14:17:56] <jonathan_x> oh ok :). thanks.
1521 [14:18:09] <CryptoSiD> Hi guys, what's up with debian jessie? running apt-get update ; apt full-upgrade do not upgrade all package
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1523 [14:18:21] <CryptoSiD> instead im getting "run apt list --upgradable to see upgradables package"
1524 [14:18:27] <CryptoSiD> i dont understand the point?
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1526 [14:18:56] <jonathan_x> mahbe
1527 [14:18:57] <babilen> CryptoSiD: Which packages is it not upgradin?
1528 [14:19:01] <jonathan_x> maybe run upgrade first?
1529 [14:19:02] <CryptoSiD> my bad, debian stretch not jessie
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1534 [14:19:35] <CryptoSiD> that is what im running "apt-get update ; apt-get dist-upgrade -y ; apt full-upgrade -y"
1535 [14:19:39] <babilen> CryptoSiD: You want #debian-next for that and you might be missing entries for sid/unstable in your sources.list to resolve certain dependencies
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1537 [14:19:57] <babilen> dpkg: bat
1538 [14:19:57] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
1539 [14:20:03] <babilen> CryptoSiD: Also ^
1540 [14:20:15] <CryptoSiD> ok I'll ask in #debian-next thanks
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1545 [14:21:57] <topi`_> hello, a Stretch user here. I want to keep my rootfs as read-only for obvious reasons, but if I need to modify a config file on rootfs, remount it as rw for a while, and then remount back to readonly, it never seems to succeed. Something keeps it busy. Any advice?
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1549 [14:23:35] <blackflow> topi`_: is /var part of the rootfs?
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1556 [14:24:59] <CryptoSiD> [08:24:51] *** [#debian-next] Cannot join channel- You must be invited (mode +i) - Press F10 to keep trying to join
1557 [14:25:08] <CryptoSiD> guess i need to connect to OTC.
1558 [14:25:33] <CryptoSiD> I don't understand why they don't simply open a channel on freenode, the best irc network!
1559 [14:25:34] <topi`_> blackflow: unfortunately.
1560 [14:25:37] <topi`_> I need to fix that.
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1562 [14:26:55] <babilen> CryptoSiD: All official Debian channels are on irc.oftc.net (aka irc.debian.org)
1563 [14:27:02] <topi`_> can /var take a symlink? I suppose it can
1564 [14:27:22] <babilen> dpkg: otherchannel CryptoSiD #debian-next irc.oftc.net
1565 [14:27:22] <dpkg> CryptoSiD: The channel you are looking for is #debian-next on irc.oftc.net. Please do /server irc.oftc.net and then /join #debian-next. If your client supports it, you can also right-click the following link and choose connect: irc://irc.oftc.net/#debian-next
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1567 [14:28:10] <blackflow> topi`_: technically it'd have to be a different filesystem, eg. a mountpoint. you could I suppose use a symlink, but still it'd have to be a different fs
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1570 [14:28:57] <topi`_> yes, I'd link it to a different fs that can be readwrite
1571 [14:29:22] <topi`_> the main desire is to not to write to rootfs so that it cannot be corrupted
1572 [14:30:05] <topi`_> I believe the system can be somewhat partially booted even if the partition containing /var would become corrupt
1573 [14:30:09] <blackflow> topi`_: note that it's a bit of a false sense of security.
1574 [14:30:47] <blackflow> if you want to isolate processes, use chroots or containers
1575 [14:30:52] <topi`_> we want to boot up enough to be able to diagnose the failure (corrupt fs? disk failure?) and then relay that info to a master server
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1577 [14:31:12] <topi`_> no, the failures will be caused by the extreme external environment
1578 [14:31:32] <topi`_> think those robots that dig into the smoldering remains of the Fukushima ;)
1579 [14:31:52] <blackflow> topi`_: not sure I follow that in relation to your intent to have a ro root, which you switch to rw when you want to change something and then back to ro
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1582 [14:32:34] <topi`_> I need to change to rw at this point (development), but not in production
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1584 [14:32:51] <topi`_> at least rsyslog seems to prevent me from ro'ing the root
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1588 [14:33:04] <blackflow> topi`_: why do you want to ro it in the first place?
1589 [14:33:06] <topi`_> I probably need to whip up a script for this :)
1590 [14:33:17] <topi`_> good point, I should probably leave it rw at this point
1591 [14:33:44] <blackflow> not sure it's a good point, I'm just trying to understand your use case
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1600 [14:38:43] <jonathan_x> topi`_: there are more people trying to have ro root of course (I could be one of them), I mean it is the reason they switched /run to its own directory right.
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1602 [14:41:01] <jonathan_x> topi`_: in a sense you could even have a regularly updated squashfs as root.
1603 [14:41:53] <jonathan_x> topi`_: but that would require reboots in between updates, most likely.
1604 [14:42:40] <jonathan_x> and mounting it in initrd before pivoting to it.
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1606 [14:43:07] <jonathan_x> benefit is on regular linux system there is a lot of compressible data.
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1609 [14:44:25] <blackflow> jonathan_x: not that much, it's mostly bins which don't compress well.
1610 [14:45:09] <jonathan_x> blackflow: but all of the documentation and other resource files I think...
1611 [14:45:10] <blackflow> still, the advice/solution really depends on the wanted use case.
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1618 [14:49:30] <blackflow> for stateless/readonly systems it is almost always better to have a immutable ro root running services and rw stuff inside containers or chroots. also compressed btrfs might be a better solution than squashfs which requires fiddling.
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1621 [14:50:17] <jonathan_x> yeah I guess.
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1626 [14:51:47] <jonathan_x> but isn't typically the whole idea of putting /var on another filesystem not exactly that?
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1629 [14:52:44] <jonathan_x> I mean there are apart from /home and /var no other parts of the filesystem that require writing during normal operation.
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1631 [14:52:53] <jonathan_x> unless /root.
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1636 [14:54:52] <blackflow> true.
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1669 [15:13:53] <jonathan_x> blackflow: even gzip -9 compresses a root filesystem by about 50%.
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1674 [15:14:57] <jonathan_x> I guess running compressed images is attractive for containers.
1675 [15:15:23] <jonathan_x> the fiddling then doesn't involve rebooting the system or anything.
1676 [15:15:29] <jonathan_x> although you'd have to restart a container.
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1678 [15:16:46] <jonathan_x> typically a compressed image could be unlinked and replaced and would only get used on container restart.
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1681 [15:17:47] <jonathan_x> then actual data would still end up on another filesystem.
1682 [15:18:03] <jonathan_x> I mean actual databases etc.
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1685 [15:20:03] <jonathan_x> compressed images have benefits because of their containment, it is just the variable data that isn't contained ;-).
1686 [15:20:32] <jonathan_x> but the system itself becomes just a file including /etc etc.
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1690 [15:23:30] <babilen> CryptoSiD: It's fine to pursue this here if you don't manage to join #debian-next
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1729 [15:40:01] <CryptoSiD> they should link a bot with a channel on freenode. Ill ask on debian-next tonight i just finished a 15 hours shift im dead for now:)
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1733 [15:40:56] <Plushfish> Hi
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1735 [15:41:35] <Plushfish> I'm a bit confused, Google can't really help me. How can I edit the XDG applications menu? I use fvwm and would like to edit it to my needs and with my own applications
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1737 [15:41:45] <acresearch> people how can i import the angstrom symbol in terminal? Å <---
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1739 [15:42:20] <mason> Hey all. I'm curious if one should expect Wheezy LTS to upgrade to Jessie cleanly, or if LTS presents problems for this upgrade.
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1742 [15:43:38] <nkuttler> Plushfish: check /usr/share/doc/menu/html/
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1746 [15:44:04] <nkuttler> Plushfish: and probably the fvwm docs, i use openbox myself but it has menu hooks
1747 [15:44:18] <nkuttler> acresearch: import?
1748 [15:45:03] <Plushfish> nkuttler: Okay, I will try it out, thank you
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1750 [15:45:18] <nkuttler> mason: considering that lts should only have backported fixes, i don't see why there should be more problems than with any upgrade
1751 [15:45:20] <acresearch> nkuttler: i am using gnuplot and when i add Å to the code i get an error, then i read somewhere that i can use the following code: {/E \305} to represent an angstrom symbol in ubuntu and it worked, but here in debian it is not working, so how can i use it?
1752 [15:46:08] <nkuttler> acresearch: sounds more like a gnuplot problem? do you perhaps have to tell it to use unicode input, or feed it unicode?
1753 [15:46:29] <mason> nkuttler: That's my guess, but I figured if there were an anecdotal evidence of problems someone here would know. TY!
1754 [15:46:39] <mason> s/an //
1755 [15:46:41] <acresearch> nkuttler: maybe i don't know, people in gnuplot seem to be asleep, how can i include unicode in terminal?
1756 [15:47:06] <nkuttler> acresearch: depends on the terminal i guess, but in 2017 most terminals should just accept it
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1758 [15:47:13] <nkuttler> acresearch: or do you mean how to input it?
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1762 [15:47:22] <themill> acresearch: you know the drill by now. What did did you actually try and what happened.
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1764 [15:47:40] <jonathan_x> blackflow: xz -1 compresses a filesystem to 43%.
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1767 [15:48:18] <greycat> That would depend greatly on what's in the file system.
1768 [15:48:51] <acresearch> ok so i have gnuplot installed themill nkuttler and i give it this code: ---> set xlabel 'RMSD ({/E \305})' <---- so it should display a plot with the x-axis labeled as such: RMSD (Å)
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1771 [15:50:03] <acresearch> greycat: oh
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1776 [15:51:34] <acresearch> does UTF-8 has an Å symbol?
1777 [15:51:42] <jonathan_x> of course
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1781 [15:52:30] <acresearch> greycat: i get an emputy feild 'RMSD ()'
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1784 [15:54:06] <acresearch> greycat: i guess debian terminal does not have iso_8859_1?
1785 [15:55:11] <greycat> If you're on a modern version of Debian (anything still supported), your native charset is probably utf-8.
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1787 [15:55:38] <greycat> This would be the charset used on the console (VT) as well as in X terminal emulators.
1788 [15:55:39] <acresearch> oh ok
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1791 [15:55:50] <acresearch> let me try and see how i can set gnuplot to utf-8
1792 [15:56:16] <acresearch> what is the code for Å in utf-8 greycat ?
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1796 [15:57:07] <rohit_> hry guys, I have debian with 3.19 kernel installed on my laptop, but every time I try to reboot, I see a login prompt and system hangs. I don't see any logs in journalctl --merge. Can someone help me please.
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1798 [15:57:20] <greycat> I don't know. I was trying to figure out the Compose sequence to generate it, but nothing I tried worked.
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1800 [15:57:53] <greycat> Ah here, we go, apparently it's Compose A A
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1804 [15:58:18] <greycat> Looks like 0xc3 0x85
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1806 [15:58:44] <acresearch> greycat: tell me what you did to make it work
1807 [15:58:49] <leo-unglaub> hey friends, my debian server just got a new network card because the old one was broken. now during booting i get the error: "cannot find device "eth0"
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1809 [15:59:02] <leo-unglaub> what can i do to fix that and to get a network interface up again?
1810 [15:59:34] <greycat> My compose key is mapped to Right-Alt. So I pressed Compose A O (nothing), and Compose A 0 (nothing), and Compose A A (voila!). Then I inserted "printf " before that, and "| hd" after it.
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1812 [16:00:42] <greycat> leo-unglaub: what interface(s) does "ip addr list" show?
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1814 [16:01:40] <leo-unglaub> greycat: currently nothing because i am still hanging in oo
1815 [16:01:42] <leo-unglaub> boot
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1821 [16:03:46] <leo-unglaub> i hope there is a timeout on this error so it continues to boot so i get a shell
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1827 [16:06:49] <acresearch> greycat: if debian terminal does not have iso_8859_1 encoding, where can i install it from?
1828 [16:07:23] <themill> acresearch: you don't install encodings you configure software to use them. You don't want to go back in time to iso8859-1
1829 [16:07:25] <greycat> Probably by going backward in time about 15 years.
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1831 [16:07:39] <acresearch> greycat: themill haha
1832 [16:07:59] <acresearch> greycat: themill but when i set encoding iso_8859_1 in gnuplot nothing happens
1833 [16:08:10] <acresearch> it worked in ubuntu, but not here in debian
1834 [16:08:13] <themill> define 'set' and ;nothing;
1835 [16:08:23] <rohit_> hey guys, I have debian with 3.19 kernel installed on my laptop, but every time I try to reboot, I see a login prompt and system hangs. I don't see any logs in journalctl --merge. Can someone help me please.
1836 [16:08:29] <themill> and if you keep saying 'ubuntu' then I'll just suggest you install ubuntu instead
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1839 [16:09:36] <acresearch> themill: problem ubuntu's unity crashes A LOT + plus i like debian's stability , but most things are difficult here :-(
1840 [16:11:05] <themill> I would be very surprised if there were any difference in the gnuplot package
1841 [16:11:23] <BluesKaj> acresearch: you might need to get used to manually installing packages in debian that are installed by default in the 'buntus, for starters
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1843 [16:11:40] <acresearch> BluesKaj: i have no problem with that
1844 [16:11:57] <acresearch> BluesKaj: but there are some deep stuff i cannot figure out for myself
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1847 [16:12:29] <greycat> there's a #gnuplot channel too
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1849 [16:13:08] <acresearch> greycat: i know, they almost never answer
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1851 [16:13:39] <ssarah> is there a way to put plugins in pulseaudio?
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1853 [16:13:48] <ssarah> like anti clipping stereo to mono and stuff like that?
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1857 [16:16:14] <jhutchins_wk> ssarah: afik that kind of thing is usually handled at the application level.
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1860 [16:16:47] <leo-unglaub> where does debian remember the mac address of an network interface? my mac address changes and now the interface does not come up
1861 [16:17:05] <leo-unglaub> any ideas where the mac address is usually stored in what config file?
1862 [16:17:09] <ssarah> jhutchins_wk, once i installed something to limit audio. But i remember it being hacky. Windows has stuff like that but it depends on the driver.
1863 [16:17:16] <jhutchins_wk> leo-unglaub: Usually it's burned into a chip on the NIC.
1864 [16:17:37] <greycat> leo-unglaub: or your DHCP server has something configured
1865 [16:17:40] <leo-unglaub> jhutchins_wk: i know that. But i am speaking of debian itself
1866 [16:17:42] <jhutchins_wk> ssarah: Yeah, the capabilities of the alsa/pulse mixers are pretty much limited by the driver and the hardware.
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1869 [16:18:02] <jhutchins_wk> leo-unglaub: Maybe you're speaking of the linux networking stack?
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1871 [16:18:13] <jhutchins_wk> leo-unglaub: On normal hardware the mac shouldn't change.
1872 [16:18:21] <greycat> He physically changed the NIC.
1873 [16:18:29] <leo-unglaub> its a new network card because the old one died
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1875 [16:18:45] <leo-unglaub> and now debian dows not find the new interface anymore because somewhere it looks for the old mac
1876 [16:18:51] <ewew> i guess its persistend udev rule.
1877 [16:18:57] <jonathan_x> leo-unglaub: with the new predictable naming standard your interface device name has probably changed to something unpredictable now.
1878 [16:19:14] <greycat> Interface names are configured by udev. Interface IP addresses (based on the if name) are configured by /etc/network/interfaces or Network Manager or ....
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1881 [16:19:40] <jhutchins_wk> leo-unglaub: Probably in one of the places greycat mentioned.
1882 [16:19:49] <jhutchins_wk> leo-unglaub: Does ifconfig -a show the adapter?
1883 [16:19:55] <jonathan_x> leo-unglaub: at least check if /sys/class/net/* hasn't changed.
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1888 [16:21:22] <greycat> Use "ip addr list" or "/sbin/ifconfig -a" to see the interfaces.
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1892 [16:21:33] <themill> acresearch: gnuplot's use of libedit doesn't make UTF-8 easy. Either preload readline or use it in non-interactive mode (or pick something more modern that also makes nicer plots(
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1898 [16:23:55] <ssarah> jhutchins_wk, this was it : replaced-url
1899 [16:23:57] <ssarah> the one i used last time
1900 [16:24:36] <ssarah> im pretty sure there is a way to apply some dsp that dont require you to read the file itself to the OS
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1902 [16:26:55] <jhutchins_wk> Interesting. That's an alsa plugin, might work with pulse. replaced-url
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1913 [16:33:45] <ssarah> jhutchins_wk, i dont understand everything about how this stuff works. pulseaudio is the frontend for alsa? and so what is LADSPA?
1914 [16:34:05] <ssarah> right now im installing stuff from synaptic to see if something is good
1915 [16:34:18] <greycat> pulseaudio is an optional multiplexing interface, I think
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1917 [16:34:36] <greycat> Lots of people don't use pulseaudio at all, and we play sound just fine.
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1920 [16:36:28] <jhutchins_wk> ALSA plugins is an interesting wormhole.
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1925 [16:37:08] <Enrico_Menotti> I have a wireless interface, whose mac address changes from boot to boot, in a randomly way, it seems. Now I need to have this interface always named in the same manner, i.e. wlan0. I think I have to specify this in the udev rules file 70-persistent-net.rules. But how may I reference the device in an univocal way?
1926 [16:37:32] <ssarah> greycat, ty. jhutchins_wk wormhole?
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1931 [16:38:51] <jhutchins_wk> Place to get lost/loose time.
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1933 [16:39:01] <jhutchins_wk> Something that sucks you in.
1934 [16:39:07] <ssarah> ohoho
1935 [16:39:47] <jhutchins_wk> There's an autotune plugin.
1936 [16:40:28] <ssarah> i just wanted to get 3 dsps working systemwise: sharpening high frequencies, loudness equalization/no clipping and most important that one that you use so your ears dont get tired from using headphones
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1938 [16:42:10] <newlinux> Hi. My internet connection stop working after I connected to openvpn. Do you know why?
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1942 [16:43:23] <greycat> The typical, naive implementations of vpn clients rewrite resolv.conf to use the private network's nameservers, and may also change the default route to point to the private network, rendering you unable to use other networks....
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1945 [16:44:01] <newlinux> greycat: So what should I do?
1946 [16:44:19] <greycat> Live with it, or redo your client configuration from scratch.
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1948 [16:45:10] <newlinux> greycat: No no I dont think you understand. I downloaded config files from a vpn provider that works for many other users.
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1950 [16:45:33] <newlinux> greycat: But the internet connection works sometimes, and sometimes it dont.
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1952 [16:45:52] <newlinux> So I dont know what to do?
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1957 [16:49:15] <newlinux> greycat: Do you know how to fix it?
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1959 [16:49:48] <greycat> replaced-url
1960 [16:50:29] <ssarah> jhutchins_wk, check the second answer
1961 [16:50:30] <ssarah> replaced-url
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1963 [16:50:49] <ssarah> you know of a place where i can find a huge list of ladspa plugins?
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1972 [16:54:07] <newlinux> greycat: What should I look after?
1973 [16:55:30] <greycat> Your default route and your resolv.conf settings, as I said.
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1975 [16:56:20] <newlinux> greycat: How do I do that?
1976 [16:56:46] <greycat> I should know better than to respond to questions from anyone with "linux" in their nick. :(
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1980 [16:58:25] <newlinux> greycat: If I go with "iptables -A INPUT -i tun+ -j ACCEPT" why does it dissappear after reboot?
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1982 [16:58:47] <newlinux> after reboot it is not there anymore, why?
1983 [16:58:53] <greycat> Oh, you had iptables going. So you fall into the answer group of people where iptables is involved. You can add that to your google search criteria.
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1988 [16:59:43] <jhutchins_wk> ssarah: google. ladspa is pretty specific. There are a few in Debian (including the autotune), but I don't know if the dsp.comp is there.
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1990 [16:59:54] <newlinux> greycat: Do you know why it dissapear after reboot?
1991 [17:00:14] <greycat> Because you didn't configure the boot processes to reestablish your iptables rules.
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1993 [17:00:54] <ssarah> jhutchins_wk, ty
1994 [17:01:10] <jhutchins_wk> ssarah: swh-plugins is also available! No need to step outside Debian!
1995 [17:01:30] <newlinux> greycat: So how do I know if I really have to iptables this things?
1996 [17:01:40] <newlinux> greycat: How can I see if Im behind firewall?
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1999 [17:01:46] <greycat> If you involved iptables in this mess, then I can't help you AT ALL.
2000 [17:02:08] <newlinux> anyone else who can help me please?
2001 [17:02:24] <greycat> !iptables-persistent
2002 [17:02:24] <dpkg> methinks iptables-persistent is a utility to load an <iptables> rule file; see replaced-url
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2004 [17:03:50] <ssarah> jhutchins_wk, this veromix thing seems quite interesting
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2006 [17:04:11] <newlinux> greycat: replaced-url
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2009 [17:05:43] <jhutchins_wk> newlinux: Seriously, you should do some reading on iptables. Try searching iptables howto and the link greycat sent you.
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2013 [17:06:01] <greycat> Or just stop trying to use it.
2014 [17:06:33] <newlinux> greycat: I just want to know, does this mean Im behind firewall or not?
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2016 [17:07:15] <ssarah> ups, forgot to link it replaced-url
2017 [17:07:23] <greycat> Before you activate the iptables crap, before you activate the openvpn client, is your default route pointing to a private-IP-range address? Like 192.168.* or 10.*? If so, you are behind a NAT firewall of some kind.
2018 [17:07:42] <jhutchins_wk> newlinux: What you posted has no bearing on whether you're behind a firewall. Check with your network administrator.
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2022 [17:09:11] <newlinux> greycat: Do you mean, Loopback inet addr:127.0.0.1 mask:255.0.0.0?
2023 [17:10:02] <newlinux> jhutchins_wk: network administrator? Its my computer and network
2024 [17:10:06] <greycat> No, not loopback. Your actual ethernet or wifi or tokenring or whatever interface.
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2028 [17:10:57] <newlinux> greycat: ifconfig shows me eth0 with inet addr:(my ip here) no local ip as you say
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2030 [17:11:19] <greycat> Oh, then you just run (your command here).
2031 [17:12:08] <newlinux> what command?
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2033 [17:12:35] <greycat> How do you expect anyone to help you if you hide all the pertinent information?
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2035 [17:13:10] <greycat> Your question was whether you are behind a firewall. We asked you to check your default route and see if it's 192.168.* or 10.*. You didn't show us your default route. and you didn't show us your IP.
2036 [17:13:32] <newlinux> greycat: How do I check my default route?
2037 [17:13:43] <greycat> netstat -rn, or route -n
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2039 [17:14:33] <greycat> or ip route list
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2043 [17:16:57] <newlinux> greycat: there is not 192 or 10. listed there
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2045 [17:17:19] <greycat> And you can't tell us the god damned NUMBERS? Because it's a SECRET?
2046 [17:17:36] <newlinux> greycat: only 0.0.0.0 and 145.4.4.1 0.0.0.0
2047 [17:17:41] <newlinux> etho0
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2049 [17:18:09] <newlinux> then 145.4.4.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 etho 0
2050 [17:18:09] <greycat> OK, that's not one of the three private ranges for IPv4, so it looks like *might* not be behind a firewall. Maybe. Possibly.
2051 [17:18:30] <greycat> (If you are behind one, it's probably not a standard consumer NAT.)
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2053 [17:18:47] <Plushfish> greycat: Routed IP adresses usually have a firewall
2054 [17:19:07] <Plushfish> or are behind one
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2056 [17:19:18] <newlinux> greycat: Do you know how to make my internet connection working after connected to openvpn?
2057 [17:19:20] <greycat> Well, in any case we can't tell from here.
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2061 [17:19:34] <greycat> newlinux: start by removing iptables from the equation. Entirely.
2062 [17:19:42] <newlinux> greycat: How?
2063 [17:19:50] <greycat> If you get it all working without iptables, then you can SLOWLY, CAREFULLY try to incorporate iptables.
2064 [17:19:53] <greycat> *plonk*
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2068 [17:20:36] <newlinux> greycat: Do you mean apt-get remove iptables?
2069 [17:20:49] <Plushfish> newlinux: No, he didn't meant that
2070 [17:20:51] <jasonwc> Does anyone have experience with Samba's multi-channel support (added as an experimental feature in 4.4)? Is it stable enough to use?
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2073 [17:21:00] <lasdam> newlinux: from your paste it seems that your iptables/netfilter rules are clean, meaning your software hardware is basically disabled or inactive, so that's not the issue
2074 [17:21:09] <lasdam> software firewall*
2075 [17:21:14] <Plushfish> newlinux: He meant you should clean/flush your iptables and check again
2076 [17:21:30] <lasdam> but you could still be behind a hardware firewall, i.e. a firewall within the NAT as greycat mentioned
2077 [17:21:30] <newlinux> Plushfish: How do I clean/flush it?
2078 [17:21:44] <Plushfish> newlinux: iptables -F and/or iptables -X
2079 [17:21:56] <newlinux> lasdam: How do I enable it then?
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2081 [17:22:12] <lasdam> you don't want it enabled, that's the point
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2085 [17:23:56] <newlinux> Plushfish: didnt help me
2086 [17:23:58] <lasdam> it's inactive, and that's good as long as you're having network issues, so that the troubleshooting is as simple as possible
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2088 [17:25:16] <newlinux> So how do I make my internet connection work when connected to openvpn?
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2090 [17:25:34] <MarkL> hi guys I have recovered some media from a SD card, the program have created 2 protected folder, copied all datas on a usb pen drive and deleted the protected folder with a locker symbol on iy with sudo nautilus and then going on them deleting them. On the trash bin there is nothing but the disk space has not been recovered so now my debian is still completely full with just 200 mega left. How should I do yo find them and deleting them completely? thanks
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2094 [17:26:20] <lasdam> I'm not sure about how to exactly troubleshoot your problem, just thought I'd try to clarify or simplify what I think graycat was trying to tell you
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2115 [17:30:43] <lasdam> newlinux: I suggest editing your vpn config file and look for a "log" entry somewhere. if you can't find one, insert one, for example "log /var/log/openvpn.log" on an empty line, restart openvpn, and check the log file
2116 [17:31:14] <lasdam> not sure how helpful that is, but it might be a start, then google whatever error you get
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2120 [17:32:07] <jvelasquez> hi. I'm building a package from sources, and editing the changelog using `dch -n`, and I was also wondering if it's possible to change the package such that It's easy for me to know I have the modified package installed. I was thinking of rename the package to package-jvelasquez, by changing the /debian/control file, Package line, and also Replaces and Conflicts with the original name. Does this seem reasonable?
2121 [17:32:46] <greycat> You should definitely be appending something to the version number.
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2123 [17:32:49] <newlinux> lasdam: there is no openvpn.log file
2124 [17:32:55] <greycat> maybe "jv"
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2126 [17:33:22] <jvelasquez> greycat, in the changes file? or both control and changes?
2127 [17:33:38] <jasonwc> jvelasquez: The Debian handbook has a good section on this topic: replaced-url
2128 [17:33:41] <greycat> There's only one place where you put version numbers, and that's the changelog.
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2131 [17:34:02] <newlinux> lasdam: /tmp/openvpn.log found
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2135 [17:35:54] <greycat> jasonwc: I think that's the wrong book
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2137 [17:36:04] <jvelasquez> jasonwc, thank you. but the manual particularly lacks an opinion on good form for this use case scenario
2138 [17:36:05] <greycat> !nmg
2139 [17:36:06] <dpkg> The packaging tutorial (replaced-url
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2141 [17:37:14] <jvelasquez> ty greycat.
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2144 [17:38:25] <MarkL> hi guys I have deleted 4 big folders root protected but the space has not been recovered where to find them?
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2148 [17:38:56] <greycat> Oh, right, you're that same guy from before with the wall of text about SD cards and shit.
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2152 [17:39:31] <greycat> *What* did you delete, and *what* command are you using to see the remaining space in that file system?
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2167 [17:46:34] <newlinux> lasdam: here is my openvpn.log file: replaced-url
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2176 [17:50:24] <newlinux> any one?
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2180 [17:52:15] <jhutchins_wk> newlinux: How about reading some of the material we've suggested?
2181 [17:52:17] <jhutchins_wk> !vpn
2182 [17:52:17] <dpkg> A Virtual Private Network (VPN) is constructed by connecting computers together over the Internet and encrypting their communications. This provides the ability to access LAN resources from remote locations. Ask me about <openvpn>, <openswan>, <openssh> (see -w option), <vpnc>, <pptp>.
2183 [17:52:40] <jhutchins_wk> newlinux: You can /msg dpkg openvpn for instance.
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2191 [17:55:48] <MarkL> any one?
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2209 [18:02:16] <casawi> please
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2211 [18:02:33] <casawi> install nvidia su debian 8
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2215 [18:03:56] <BluesKaj> I'm finding it difficult to get user permissions or even find the share tab in folder properties on debian to copy a folder to wife's windows pc. I'm used to kubuntu where the share tab is available to set permissions.
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2218 [18:04:19] <casawi> install nvidia su debian 8
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2226 [18:06:44] <alekz> casawi: have you read the Nvidia wiki?
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2228 [18:07:45] <casawi> alekz yes is debian wiki my problem
2229 [18:07:48] <casawi> ho install nvidia su debian ho fatto reboot oh no! something has gone wrong a problem has occurred and the system cant recover please log out and try again
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2231 [18:07:53] <towo`> alekz, do nat waste your time, he is asking that for days
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2233 [18:08:15] <alekz> thanks towo`
2234 [18:08:42] <towo`> and i i remember correctly, he has an optimus setup
2235 [18:08:47] <towo`> *if
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2241 [18:10:04] <simbalion> Hi, I'm trying to install gnome shell extensions but the website says "Although GNOME Shell integration extension is running, native host connector is not detected.", can someone help me? I have tried Firefox 52 and Chromium.
2242 [18:10:06] <alekz> then google may help him better
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2244 [18:10:20] <jhutchins_wk> !it
2245 [18:10:20] <dpkg> Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
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2249 [18:11:31] <casawi> towo ok I do waste your time, it is asking for days I just do Sepro has tecapita you quallichi problem quosi
2250 [18:12:02] <casawi> and not trove who helps you ok
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2254 [18:13:14] <towo`> casawi, replaced-url
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2257 [18:14:07] <casawi> towo I made the guide however is black screen reboot
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2259 [18:14:26] <casawi> ho install nvidia su debian ho fatto reboot oh no! something has gone wrong a problem has occurred and the system cant recover please log out and try again
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2263 [18:14:49] <casawi> jon yes x11 problem
2264 [18:14:57] <towo`> casawi, then forget that optimus ship, use the intel graphics and be happy
2265 [18:15:08] <towo`> s/ship/shit
2266 [18:15:23] <casawi> nvidia 375.39
2267 [18:15:31] <casawi> geforce940m
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2273 [18:16:04] <BluesKaj> yup , that's an optimus gpu
2274 [18:16:13] <BluesKaj> system
2275 [18:16:15] <casawi> I need kernel 3.16.0-4
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2281 [18:18:33] <aruns> Can someone help me to resolve this problem? Low disk space: The volume "Filesystem root" has only 1.1GB disk space remaining, You can free up disk space by removing unused program or files or by moving files to another disk or partition. I am unable to catch the root cause of this problem, Is something filling up the disk? df -h & du output here: replaced-url
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2283 [18:18:43] <casawi> I Datto my version 375.39 nvidia geforce 940 m there qualcono that mida conmandi to follow
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2288 [18:19:53] <casawi> aruns download gparted
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2296 [18:21:09] <Brigo> aruns, check that /var and /usr
2297 [18:21:13] <mtn> aruns: probably big log files in /var/log
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2305 [18:23:26] <anotherus3r> Hi how do I prevent DHCP to change my DNS servers?
2306 [18:23:27] <mutante> Is this dependency error a common issue after jessie->stretch in-place upgrades and Gnome? gsettings-desktop-schemas : Breaks: gnome-settings-daemon (< 3.19.92) but 3.14.2-3 is to be installed
2307 [18:23:58] <aruns> casawi, What gparted will do to solve this?
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2311 [18:24:45] <aruns> Brigo, mtn , How does /var , .usr and /var/log have to do with /root directory warning of filesystem root?
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2313 [18:25:18] <casawi> gparted for partesionale hard disk
2314 [18:25:20] <mutante> aruns: /var is inside /
2315 [18:26:03] <mutante> aruns: / is the root of the filesystem, /root is the home dir of the root user
2316 [18:26:08] <jhutchins_wk> aruns: Unless YOU made it a separate partition.
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2319 [18:26:50] <jvelasquez> greycat, hi. I need more specific instructions on how I'd change a package name.
2320 [18:27:22] <greycat> Don't change the name. Just the version string.
2321 [18:27:39] <greycat> if it's version 1.2.3-2.4 now, make it 1.2.3-2.4jv1 or whatever.
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2323 [18:27:58] <jvelasquez> greycat, ok. for now. :)
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2325 [18:28:14] <casawi> greycat?
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2327 [18:28:22] <casawi> config dns
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2331 [18:28:43] <aleray> hi, how can I install python-dev for python 3.4 ?
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2334 [18:29:17] <jukebox_> hey everyone. having some issues. firstly, hexchat doesn't recognize my gmail address when i try to register through that
2335 [18:29:31] <aruns> casawi, Thanks for the info
2336 [18:29:45] <casawi> you
2337 [18:29:46] <aruns> mutante, ok I got it correct.
2338 [18:29:48] <casawi> lool
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2341 [18:30:03] <aruns> jhutchins, thanks, no i did not made it separate partition
2342 [18:30:17] <jhutchins_wk> aruns: Your /opt is also suspiciously large. Make sure you're running logrotate and that it's rotating all of the logs, that's a common culprit. It can also be mail (with attachments), or if you've built a web page in /var/replaced-url
2343 [18:30:24] <jukebox_> secondly, trying to install tor and i get the following error, Launching './Browser/start-tor-browser --detach'..., and i have already googled it and no i am not running as root, it just opens a fresh command line underneath it. can't figure this out
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2345 [18:30:38] <jhutchins_wk> aruns: Yes, I see from your paste that you didn't.
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2347 [18:30:49] <mutante> anotherus3r: if you have NetworkManager, see here for the answer gstreamer1.0-plugins-base : Breaks: gstreamer1.0-plugins-bad (< 1.7.90) but 1.4.4-2.1+deb8u1 is to be installed
2348 [18:30:52] <mutante> libgstreamer-plugins-base1.0-0 : Breaks: gstreamer1.0-plugins-bad (< 1.7.1) but 1.4.4-2.1+deb8u1 is to be installed
2349 [18:30:55] <mutante> E: Error, pkgProblemResolver::Resolve generated breaks, this may be caused by held packages.
2350 [18:31:07] <mutante> anotherus3r: sorry, bad paste: replaced-url
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2352 [18:31:17] <anotherus3r> mutante: i dont have networkmanager
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2355 [18:32:53] <mutante> anotherus3r: how about /etc/dhcp/dhclient.conf? you can use "prepend domain-name-servers" in there to set a DNS server you want
2356 [18:33:32] <anotherus3r> mutante: alredy did that
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2358 [18:33:35] <jhutchins_wk> !resolvconf
2359 [18:33:35] <dpkg> resolvconf is, like, a package that can be used to manage your /etc/resolv.conf (the file that contains your DNS settings). Many packages including ppp, ifupdown, dhcp-client, pump, pdnsd, dnsmasq, ... are compatible with resolvconf, making it easier to manage your DNS settings. Ask me about <fixresolvconf>. See also <resolv.conf>.
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2361 [18:33:55] <anotherus3r> mutante: prepend domain-name-servers 46.227.67.134, 192.165.9.158;
2362 [18:33:58] <TomTomTo1> mutante: did you run a dist-upgrade? also please paste the output of apt-cache policy; apt-cache policy gsettings-desktop-schemas; apt-cache policy gnome-settings-daemon; to paste.debian.net
2363 [18:34:05] <anotherus3r> mutante: but it still change to another DNS servers
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2366 [18:34:59] <anotherus3r> mutante: should I change # option domain-name-servers 127.0.0.1;
2367 [18:35:01] <anotherus3r> as well?
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2369 [18:35:30] <cruncher> jukebox-, i dont know if i understood you correctly, and i dont know if hexchat has an otion to register, but i would recommend you to do it using the /msg nickserv commands
2370 [18:35:32] <greycat> dpkg, resolv.conf =~ s/>. See also <resolv.conf>/>, <resolv.conf>, <override dns>/
2371 [18:35:32] <dpkg> that doesn't contain '>. See also <resolv.conf>', greycat
2372 [18:35:40] <cruncher> and as for tor, try it without "--detach"
2373 [18:35:41] <TomTomTo1> mutante: looks like you only did a partial upgrade.
2374 [18:36:01] <cruncher> jukebox-, i mean torbrowser
2375 [18:36:11] <casawi> I want to configure dns tells me I have given them commands to do
2376 [18:37:12] <greycat> dpkg, resolv.conf =~ s#>. See also <resolv.conf>.#>, <resolv.conf>, <override dns>#
2377 [18:37:12] <dpkg> greycat: that doesn't contain '>. See also <resolv.conf>.'
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2381 [18:38:08] <jukebox-> cruncher, i managed to figure out the hexchat issue, but the tor browser bit is bugging me. and i'm typing in ./start-tor-browser.desktop
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2386 [18:38:34] <jukebox-> cruncher, the line that follows that command is: Launching './Browser/start-tor-browser --detach'...
2387 [18:38:53] <jukebox-> then it just brings another defaulted command line up
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2390 [18:40:22] <greycat> dpkg, no, resolvconf is a package that can be used to manage your /etc/resolv.conf (the file that contains your DNS settings). Packages like ppp, ifupdown, dhcp-client, ... are compatible with it. Ask me about <fixresolvconf>, <resolv.conf>, <override dns>
2391 [18:40:22] <dpkg> greycat: okay
2392 [18:40:42] <greycat> Dunno why it wouldn't let me make the substitution.
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2394 [18:41:31] <cruncher> jukebox-, start it with -v parameter
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2397 [18:42:51] <mutante> anotherus3r: sorry, i dont know then. can you just configure the actual DHCP server (on your router?)
2398 [18:43:03] <jukebox-> how would that command line read? still working on teaching myself command line
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2401 [18:43:19] <anotherus3r> mutante: sure but how?
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2403 [18:43:37] <mutante> anotherus3r: login on the router and use a web interface? telnet?
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2405 [18:44:26] <mutante> TomTomTo1: apparently i did not do dist-upgrade no.. thanks! i will paste if i still have issues after that
2406 [18:44:29] <anotherus3r> mutante: no
2407 [18:44:36] <anotherus3r> mutante: why should I do that?
2408 [18:45:00] <anotherus3r> mutante: All I want is for DHCP to not change my DNS servers all the time
2409 [18:45:02] <mutante> anotherus3r: to fix the problem that it is configured in a way you dont want it to be configured?
2410 [18:45:08] <greycat> !override dns
2411 [18:45:08] <dpkg> To instruct dhclient to use your specified nameserver rather than the one given to you by your DHCP server, echo "supersede domain-name-servers a.b.c.d, e.f.g.h;" >> /etc/dhcp/dhclient.conf, or see man 5 dhclient.conf for more information. Instead of supersede, you can also use "prepend" or "append" to add nameservers. Or remove domain-name-servers (etc.) from dhclient.conf if you prefer.
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2413 [18:45:32] <mutante> yea, and that is what i suggested before.. so i dunno, sry
2414 [18:45:57] <mutante> you have to either configure the client or the server...
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2418 [18:46:35] <doublehp> after ". /etc/bash_completion" , I can not complete systelctl arguments; what's missing ?
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2421 [18:47:17] <setuid> Anyone here good with preseed? I'm having a bear of a time with grub-pc, it *ALWAYS* prompts me, even when I've forced it not to
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2423 [18:47:47] <greycat> helps if you spell systemctl correctly...
2424 [18:47:50] <setuid> replaced-url
2425 [18:48:15] <setuid> I've tried every possible knob and dial to get grub-pc auto-installed on /dev/sda or hd0,0, without that damn prompt
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2427 [18:48:34] <setuid> including "debconf/priority string critical"
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2434 [18:52:22] <anotherus3r> greycat:Do I have to remove the # option domain-name-servers lines as well?
2435 [18:52:31] <anotherus3r> line*
2436 [18:52:59] <greycat> Removing comments does not do anything. This isn't sysvinit with LSB shit.
2437 [18:53:20] <anotherus3r> It say
2438 [18:53:22] <anotherus3r> Or remove domain-name-servers (etc.) from dhclient.conf if you prefer.
2439 [18:53:42] <anotherus3r> greycat: So why it does not do anything?
2440 [18:53:54] <greycat> It doesn't say to remove the comment lines.
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2442 [18:54:18] <anotherus3r> greycat: What are you talking about really?
2443 [18:54:30] <greycat> It gives you a choice of ways to proceed and one of those ways is to remove the string "domain-name-servers" from the list of things requested by the client.
2444 [18:55:01] <greycat> You know, that list of things. It's like 3 or 4 lines of stuff in jessie, a bit more in stretch because they added ipv6 crap.
2445 [18:55:11] <anotherus3r> !override dns
2446 [18:55:12] <dpkg> To instruct dhclient to use your specified nameserver rather than the one given to you by your DHCP server, echo "supersede domain-name-servers a.b.c.d, e.f.g.h;" >> /etc/dhcp/dhclient.conf, or see man 5 dhclient.conf for more information. Instead of supersede, you can also use "prepend" or "append" to add nameservers. Or remove domain-name-servers (etc.) from dhclient.conf if you prefer.
2447 [18:55:17] <anotherus3r> here greycat
2448 [18:55:24] <anotherus3r> Instead of supersede, you can also use "prepend" or "append" to add nameservers. Or remove domain-name-servers (etc.) from dhclient.conf if you prefer
2449 [18:55:27] <greycat> YES FUCKING THERE
2450 [18:55:40] <redcheckers> wow. so much profanity
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2452 [18:56:02] <anotherus3r> greycat: And what you are saying is, that I cant remove the "#prepend domain-name-servers 127.0.0.1;
2453 [18:56:03] <greycat> IF I HAD A FILE WITH THOSES LISTS STILL INTACT I WOULD POST A FUCKING .diff
2454 [18:56:05] <anotherus3r> line?
2455 [18:56:14] <greycat> request subnet-mask, broadcast-address, time-offset, routers,
2456 [18:56:14] <greycat> dhcp6.name-servers, dhcp6.domain-search,
2457 [18:56:14] <greycat> netbios-name-servers, netbios-scope, interface-mtu,
2458 [18:56:17] <greycat> THAT SHIT
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2461 [18:56:53] <greycat> God DAMN, why are people so fucking insistent on being as THICK as they can possible be...
2462 [18:56:54] <setuid> greycat: more cowbell please ;)
2463 [18:57:14] <greycat> It's like they go out of their way to find a comment line somewhere else in the file just to piss me off.
2464 [18:57:18] <doublehp> greycat: i burnt the wrong image in my rpi; using wheezy instead of jessie
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2467 [18:58:29] <anotherus3r> greycat: So I cant remove the "dhcp6.name-servers" line from there to prevent DNS changes? Im right?
2468 [18:58:35] <greycat> Looks like the "dhcp6.*" stuff is in jessie after all.
2469 [18:58:41] <anotherus3r> greycat: I mean, I can do that yes?
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2471 [18:58:59] <greycat> anotherus3r: does yours looks like mine, or do you have a line in the middle of there with "name-servers" and other things?
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2473 [19:00:00] <anotherus3r> #prepend domain-name-servers 127.0.0.1;
2474 [19:00:00] <anotherus3r> request subnet-mask, broadcast-address, time-offset, routers, domain-name, domain-name-servers, domain-search, host-name, dhcp6.name-servers, dhcp6.domain-search, netbios-name-servers, netbios-scope, interface-mtu, rfc3442-classless-static-routes, ntp-servers;
2475 [19:00:07] <anotherus3r> greycat: yes
2476 [19:00:14] <greycat> So yours doesn't look like me. Why do you think that is?
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2479 [19:01:07] <anotherus3r> greycat: I dont know, why do you think?
2480 [19:01:19] <greycat> Maybe it's because MINE HAS ALREADY BEED MODIFIED?!
2481 [19:01:25] <greycat> Jesus.
2482 [19:01:28] <greycat> *plonk*
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2484 [19:01:44] <anotherus3r> greycat: yes
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2486 [19:02:02] <mutante> how many people still now what the plonk sound describes, heh
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2488 [19:02:12] <anotherus3r> greycat: I asked you nice, Should I remove the "dhcp6.name-servers" line from there to prevent DNS changes?
2489 [19:02:17] <greycat> Other people are still using it on the debian-user mailing list. Saw it just today in fact.
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2491 [19:02:45] <anotherus3r> greycat: or is there something else I have to change?
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2493 [19:03:08] <anotherus3r> greycat: Im trying to understand this to next time.
2494 [19:03:11] <mutante> anotherus3r: lines starting with # are usually ignored, it marks a comment
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2497 [19:03:34] <anotherus3r> mutante: What about it?
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2502 [19:05:17] <anotherus3r> greycat: So you want me to copy paste your lines?
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2504 [19:05:53] <mutante> anotherus3r: here's my last attempt. you pasted a line we told you to use. it starts with #. remove the #
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2507 [19:06:40] <greycat> Maybe he doesn't understand what the word "Or" means.
2508 [19:06:58] <anotherus3r> mutante: Can you paste that line again?
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2510 [19:07:14] <mutante> anotherus3r: no, it feels like trolling now
2511 [19:07:14] <Ryeee> Hi
2512 [19:07:33] <Ryeee> I love checking my auth.log to see like
2513 [19:07:40] <Ryeee> 500 people have tried to log in to my server
2514 [19:07:45] <Ryeee> In the past month
2515 [19:07:58] <Ryeee> Scumbags
2516 [19:08:03] <cruncher> anotherus3r, in first line, why you dont want to get dns servers? is your machine stationary, meaning always getting th eip from the same dhcp server?
2517 [19:08:07] <Ryeee> 500 bots I should say
2518 [19:08:18] <cruncher> if so, you could just set a static ip
2519 [19:08:25] <cruncher> why all this trouble?
2520 [19:08:28] <mutante> Ryee: yea, that's background noise. it's automated portscanning. don't even bother.
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2522 [19:08:39] <Ryeee> Should I whitelist?
2523 [19:08:49] <Ryeee> To avoid bandwidth usage?
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2525 [19:09:08] <anotherus3r> cruncer: Because my DNS servers changing back all the time when Im using openvpn.
2526 [19:09:10] <abrotman> whitelist what? where?
2527 [19:09:19] <Ryeee> Whitelist IPs
2528 [19:09:22] <abrotman> where?
2529 [19:09:29] <Ryeee> On the server
2530 [19:09:32] <abrotman> Because unless you mean upstream, it's still your bandwidth
2531 [19:09:32] <Ryeee> For auth
2532 [19:09:37] <greycat> If the failed logins are a concern, change your ssh Listen port.
2533 [19:09:54] <anotherus3r> cruncer: yes stationary.
2534 [19:10:05] <jhutchins_wk> Ryeee: SSH?
2535 [19:10:10] <anotherus3r> mutante: I didnt see you paste any link to me
2536 [19:10:14] <Ryeee> Yeah
2537 [19:10:31] <jhutchins_wk> Ryeee: You're running it on 22. Stop that.
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2539 [19:11:06] <mutante> Ryeee: you can use the "denyhosts" package to handle it, but in my experience it might just cause new issues, like huge logs
2540 [19:11:14] <Ryeee> What should I change it to?
2541 [19:11:28] <greycat> Any other positive integer, really.
2542 [19:11:45] <greycat> (Other than ones that are in use.)
2543 [19:11:51] <jhutchins_wk> Ryeee: 222 is the most common, but because of that some bots will still hit it. Make up a number (check /etc/services to make sure it's not something you'll want in the future.)
2544 [19:11:58] <cruncher> anotherus3r, you mean when connecting to openvpn it sets the dns servers and you dont want that?
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2548 [19:13:31] <anotherus3r> cruncher: no it dont sets any dns servers for me.
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2551 [19:13:58] <anotherus3r> cruncer: even if I change the DNS servers to VPN provider. It changes them back
2552 [19:14:07] <cruncher> anotherus3r, back to what?
2553 [19:14:17] <anotherus3r> cruncher: ISP dns servers
2554 [19:14:37] <cruncher> you mean the ip you got from dhcp server?
2555 [19:15:00] <anotherus3r> chuncher: no ISP dns servers
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2558 [19:15:30] <mutante> which is likely the same thing
2559 [19:15:44] <anotherus3r> ok then yes cruncher
2560 [19:16:40] <anotherus3r> and after it changes them back, I cant ping google.com for example
2561 [19:16:45] <cruncher> anotherus3r, we will have to take this more apart as there is probably a much easier solution than to edit dhclient.conf
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2563 [19:17:02] <anotherus3r> chruncer: sure
2564 [19:17:16] <cruncher> you get dns server x.x.x.x from isp, then you conect to openvpn, and your new dns is set to y.y.y.y?
2565 [19:17:37] <mutante> DHCP doesnt do what he wants. he controls both client and server. yet doesnt want to configure either.. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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2567 [19:17:56] <anotherus3r> chruncher: no, still same dns after connected to openvpn
2568 [19:18:05] <anotherus3r> mutante: Im not the VPN provider, not true.
2569 [19:18:06] <greycat> I compared nick/hostmask between newlinux and anotherus3r but... they didn't *appear* to be the same person. (shrug)
2570 [19:18:28] <Ryeee> I have a barebones debian server that comes without the service script
2571 [19:18:33] <Ryeee> How do I restart sshd?
2572 [19:18:39] <Ryeee> It doesn't exist in etc/d.init
2573 [19:18:40] <cruncher> anotherus3r, then its a rounting problem
2574 [19:18:41] <greycat> systemctl restart ssh
2575 [19:18:44] <cruncher> routing
2576 [19:18:46] <Ryeee> init.d*
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2578 [19:19:02] <cruncher> since you are connected to the new subnet, the dns cant be seen anymore
2579 [19:19:15] <Ryeee> Says Failed to get D-Bus connection: No such file or directory
2580 [19:19:23] <cruncher> care to tell the ip subnets you have and the openvpn one?
2581 [19:19:34] <anotherus3r> cruncher: Do you know how to fix this?
2582 [19:20:11] <cruncher> sure, as soon as we have more information
2583 [19:20:22] <greycat> Ryeee: what version of Debian, what kernel, and did you DO anything fundamentally important like changing the init system, removing boot scripts, ...?
2584 [19:20:23] <Ryeee> Oh sorry nvm didn't sudo
2585 [19:20:30] <greycat> Ah.
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2587 [19:21:02] <anotherus3r> chruncer: What do you need from me?
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2589 [19:22:34] <Ryeee> Strange
2590 [19:22:37] <cruncher> "ifconfig", "route -n" and "cat /etc/resolv.conf" before and after openvpn connection
2591 [19:22:39] <cruncher> anotherus3r,
2592 [19:23:00] <greycat> systemd can give some really confusing errors.
2593 [19:23:05] <Ryeee> Nomatter how many times I append the authorized_keys file with the new key
2594 [19:23:06] <anotherus3r> cruncher: then I have to quit the chat, brb.
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2596 [19:23:17] <Ryeee> It won't prompt me for the keypair when I connect
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2598 [19:23:39] <greycat> Check permissions/ownership of the authorized_keys file and ALL THE DIRECTORIES LEADING UP TO IT.
2599 [19:23:52] <Ryeee> It should be 600 right?
2600 [19:24:02] <greycat> The directories shouldn't be 600.
2601 [19:24:17] <Ryeee> Directory is 700
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2603 [19:24:23] <greycat> All of them?
2604 [19:24:33] <greycat> I hate this part. I truly truly HATE this part.
2605 [19:24:36] <greycat> Nobody fucking listens.
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2607 [19:24:50] <Ryeee> user and home is 755
2608 [19:25:00] <greycat> ls -ld / /home /home/you /home/you/.ssh/ /home/you/.ssh/authorized_keys
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2611 [19:25:40] <greycat> If it's not a permission/ownership issue (you still haven't revealed the owner) then check the auth.log for failures, and if it's not there, try running a new instance of sshd with -d
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2625 [19:31:09] <rkorandy> what's the most common desktop environment for debian, gnome?
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2627 [19:31:25] <greycat> Probably, because that's the default option.
2628 [19:32:09] <anotherus3r> cruncher: Did you get them?
2629 [19:32:28] <cruncher> anotherus3r, es, but write it in public here please
2630 [19:32:39] <anotherus3r> replaced-url
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2632 [19:33:03] <lasdam> anotherus3r: why are you not contacting your vpn provider, like has been suggested to you several times by others?
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2638 [19:35:12] <anotherus3r> cruncher: Do you know what it could be?
2639 [19:35:15] <cruncher> not bad idea, maybe they even have already some support site with examples on how to change that
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2642 [19:35:49] <anotherus3r> cruncher: You talked about route problem, didnt you?
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2645 [19:35:56] <cruncher> anotherus3r, i wanted 2 route -n, one before and 1 after openvpn... and are you using networkmanager for openvpn connection??
2646 [19:36:05] <lasdam> it's also triggering me that he switches from channel to channel when people stop ignoring him, switching his nicknames up, and keeps on just asking "how do you do that?" to every answer he gets
2647 [19:36:12] <cruncher> anotherus3r, yes, that was my guess, now we are verifying that
2648 [19:36:13] <lasdam> starts ignoring*
2649 [19:36:30] <greycat> Oh, so it *IS* newlinux? Despite the two very different hostmasks?
2650 [19:36:44] <cruncher> lasdam, yeah, like someone else stated here, he might be trolling... at the first sign of that ill stop offering my time to him
2651 [19:37:12] <anotherus3r> cruncher: ok I have to quit chat again to get you route -n before and after.
2652 [19:37:27] <lasdam> well, he asked the exact same question in the same way as newlinux
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2654 [19:38:00] <anotherus3r> cruncher: no I have not installed networkmanager
2655 [19:38:15] <lasdam> cruncher: yeah, I suggested the same in #openvpn where he was also ignoring suggestions and so on
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2662 [19:40:35] <nbastin> are neither telnetd nor sshd installed as "standard system services" (or whatever the minimal install option is) on 8.7.1?
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2664 [19:41:35] <greycat> sshd is installed by default if you don't disable the "ssh server" option in tasksel in the installer
2665 [19:41:42] <greycat> telnetd is definitely NOT installed by default
2666 [19:41:54] <nbastin> greycat: if I updatedb and then locate sshd, it finds nothing.. :-/
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2669 [19:42:14] <anotherus3r> cruncher: replaced-url
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2671 [19:42:37] <greycat> Install openssh-server then. Maybe you unchecked "ssh server".
2672 [19:42:48] <greycat> Or maybe your installer had different defaults than mine for some reason, who knows.
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2674 [19:42:53] <nbastin> I only had two choices from the install CD, desktop, or...whatever I chose
2675 [19:43:01] <nbastin> something like standard system utilities
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2677 [19:43:16] <greycat> "Debian desktop" and "Standard utilities" and "SSH server" were all on by default for me, IIRC.
2678 [19:43:31] <anotherus3r> cruncher: Did you get it?
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2680 [19:43:48] <nbastin> greycat: I can try a reinstall - I can't apt-get anything as this is on a rack without an internet connection
2681 [19:43:58] <cruncher> anotherus3r, so how are you building up the openvpn connnection?
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2683 [19:44:06] <greycat> Then stick the CD back in and apt-get install openssh-server
2684 [19:44:26] <nbastin> greycat: it's not that simple.. :-) the iso was mounted on the idrac, but it's not actually available to the system
2685 [19:44:29] <anotherus3r> cruncher: Do you want the openvpn.conf file?
2686 [19:44:29] <greycat> An install without a network should leave your CD in sources.list
2687 [19:44:57] <greycat> man apt-cdrom
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2689 [19:45:11] <cruncher> anotherus3r, yes, you can pastebin it, i dont guess you wrote passwords inside
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2694 [19:46:29] <nbastin> greycat: yeah the cd is in sources.list, but sadly is not available...lemme see what I can do
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2696 [19:47:12] <greycat> NFS-mounted CD-ROMs are a staple of server admins....
2697 [19:47:18] <anotherus3r> cruncher: cruncher: replaced-url
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2699 [19:47:43] <nbastin> greycat: no network.. :-)
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2702 [19:47:55] <anotherus3r> chruncer: then to connect I use the command "openvpn --config "openvpn.conf" and type username and password.
2703 [19:47:58] <cruncher> anotherus3r, add "route-noexec" to it, and try again
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2706 [19:48:39] <greycat> nbastin: then sshd isn't going to be of much use either, now is it
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2708 [19:49:02] <nbastin> greycat: well, I can create an isolated fabric, but I have to bootstrap the network
2709 [19:49:03] <anotherus3r> cruncher: Where exactly? Last line?
2710 [19:49:16] <nbastin> greycat: so I'm building it up from scratch, which means there's no NFS
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2717 [19:50:37] <cruncher> anotherus3r, you can do it after the "dev tun"
2718 [19:50:49] <nbastin> greycat: ok, that was easier than I figured.. :-) a little idrac fiddling and I got ssh installed from the cd image, thanks
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2720 [19:50:50] <anotherus3r> cruncher: ok
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2722 [19:51:03] <cruncher> but it should really matter, but just to separate a bit the "functions"
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2731 [19:54:32] <anotherus3r> cruncher: that line did not even change my IP
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2733 [19:55:12] <cruncher> anotherus3r, is it a dynamic ip you are getting from your provider, or static?
2734 [19:55:17] <anotherus3r> cruncher: so do I have route error?
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2736 [19:56:08] <anotherus3r> cruncher: I dont know. But I think its dynamic ip because many people using the same ip.
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2744 [19:59:19] <anotherus3r> cruncher: so do you know if its a route problem or not?
2745 [19:59:23] <cruncher> anotherus3r, can you paste the logfile?
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2747 [20:00:04] <setuid> I stepped out, any ideas about my preseed issue?
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2750 [20:00:40] <anotherus3r> cruncher: do you mean the openvpn log file?
2751 [20:00:43] <cruncher> yes
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2754 [20:02:02] <anotherus3r> cruncher: replaced-url
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2758 [20:04:17] <anotherus3r> cruncher: So is it route issue that you talked bout?
2759 [20:04:30] <cruncher> anotherus3r, you are sure you didnt get an ip?
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2762 [20:05:54] <cruncher> because it looks like you did
2763 [20:06:01] <anotherus3r> cruncher: I removed the line from openvpn.conf you told me.
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2768 [20:06:32] <anotherus3r> cruncher: tell me the line again, I will try again?
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2771 [20:07:31] <cruncher> route-noexec, do it after remote-random
2772 [20:07:39] <cruncher> then again show log
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2783 [20:10:45] <Fasort> why my screen is not turning off on idle? check the xset -q: replaced-url
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2789 [20:12:24] <blastwave> can I ask a sed question? I am trying to deal with a string like "borg's eat humans" and I need it to have a backslash before the apostrophe s for a database insert. So I tried sed -e 's/[a-z]\'s/\1\\\'s/' but that doesn't work
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2792 [20:12:33] <anotherus3r> cruncher: replaced-url
2793 [20:13:07] <anotherus3r> cruncher: no it not change IP and not change DNS servers
2794 [20:13:23] <anotherus3r> cruncher: Can you verify by now if its a route issue or not?
2795 [20:13:24] <cruncher> anotherus3r, i see it gets an ip
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2797 [20:13:37] <cruncher> what is now ifconfig output?
2798 [20:13:38] <missmbob> blastwave: try ##sed
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2800 [20:13:57] <blastwave> missmbob: will do !
2801 [20:14:05] <anotherus3r> cruncher: do you know if its route issue?
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2803 [20:14:40] <anotherus3r> I have to go very soon
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2806 [20:15:54] <cruncher> looks that way
2807 [20:16:37] <cruncher> you can test it removing the line again, then connect normally, and remove the route with "route del 0.0.0.0 gw 10.128.0.1"
2808 [20:16:38] <cruncher> anotherus3r,
2809 [20:16:42] <cruncher> i have to go too soon
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2814 [20:19:18] <Fasort> does anyone know how to use xset to turn off screen on idle
2815 [20:19:25] <Fasort> It seems to me its not working properly
2816 [20:19:31] <Fasort> xset dpms force off, however, works
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2818 [20:20:06] <jhutchins_wk> anotherus3r: You really should read some of the materiel that's been posted for you. I think that if you do, you will probably understand what is happening, why, and how. You may be able to fix it; you may decide that you shouldn't.
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2820 [20:21:07] <cruncher> anotherus3r, and just to say, preventing the dns change like you wanted at the beginning wouldnt help (since the dns isnt changed anyway when you connect)
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2823 [20:23:30] <anotherus3r> cruncher: When Im connected to openvpn with ISP dns nameservers, I could ping 8.8.8.8. But if I change dns servers to the VPN provider, I could even ping google.com. Any explanation?
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2825 [20:24:02] <anotherus3r> cruncher: with openvpn+isp dns servers I can only ping 8.8.8.8 and not google.com for example.
2826 [20:24:15] <cruncher> anotherus3r, you said dns are not changed when connecting, and your resolv.conf confirms that
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2829 [20:24:37] <anotherus3r> cruncher: But I can change it manually
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2833 [20:25:09] <cruncher> you mean when changing you "can't even ping"?
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2835 [20:25:40] <anotherus3r> cruncher: openvpn+vpn providers dns server, I can ping google.com
2836 [20:26:02] <anotherus3r> cruncher: openvpn+isp dns servers, I cant ping google.com, I can only ping 8.8.8.8
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2838 [20:26:08] <cruncher> anotherus3r, yeah, im starting to think also you should conect your openvpn provider... maybe you must use a specific dns server
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2840 [20:26:54] <anotherus3r> cruncher: do you know how to prevent the resolv.conf to changing?
2841 [20:27:04] <cruncher> and probably they do some routing too. And even if we manage to get it running chaging the routing, it would defy the purpose of having a openvpn somehow
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2846 [20:27:48] <rkorandy> hey jack nemrod
2847 [20:28:13] <rkorandy> are you a nimrod
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2849 [20:29:20] <cruncher> that makes no sense anotherus3r ... getting dns from vpn and then prevent resolv.conf from being changed?
2850 [20:29:43] <cruncher> probably you want to use the routes and dns server from your provider
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2852 [20:31:05] <cruncher> anotherus3r, if you really want, try the route del command i gave you, but as i said, then you would use the openvpn only for its own subnet, which i doubt it is what you want
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2855 [20:31:21] <jhutchins_wk> stormchaser3000: Are you following a debian howto?
2856 [20:31:24] <jhutchins_wk> !ltsp
2857 [20:31:24] <dpkg> ltsp is, like, the Linux Terminal Server Project. replaced-url
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2860 [20:31:49] <jhutchins_wk> stormchaser3000: Unfortunately, last I looked it hadn't been updated since etch-n-half.
2861 [20:31:59] <setuid> d-i preseed/late_command string in-target apt-get -y install grub-pc; for line in $(cat /tmp/disklist); do in-target grub-install --force "${line}"; done; in-target update-grub
2862 [20:32:02] <setuid> ^^ also not working
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2864 [20:32:27] <setuid> grr, is it so difficult to get grub-pc to install without making my preseed *prompt* to hit an "Ok" confirmation and select the drive?
2865 [20:32:27] <cruncher> anotherus3r, best is you find out why you cant use the vpn dns server, consult with your provider
2866 [20:32:37] <cruncher> i will be away for a while now
2867 [20:32:40] <setuid> This fails also: d-i grub-installer/bootdev string (hd0,0)
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2869 [20:32:53] <setuid> Also this, fail: d-i grub-installer/bootdev string /dev/sda
2870 [20:33:02] <jhutchins_wk> cruncher: He needs to talk with the provider and read the documentation.
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2879 [20:37:59] <kion> I made a backup of my home directory with Deja-dup and went on and did a fresh install of Stretch, now I want to restore the backup but I changed my username in my new installation, how do I restore my files?
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2890 [20:41:23] <mtn> kion: you will have to change ownership on all the files to the new owner. or do it again with the original username
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2892 [20:41:48] <stormchaser3000> jhutchins_wk, yes i was following a debian howto
2893 [20:42:07] <stormchaser3000> sorry for the late response
2894 [20:42:24] <jhutchins_wk> stormchaser3000: where's it failing?
2895 [20:43:04] <stormchaser3000> when i try to connect using PXE
2896 [20:43:43] * stormchaser3000 goes and looks at the screen of the thin client again
2897 [20:44:14] <stormchaser3000> i get a TFTP open timeout message when trying to connect
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2899 [20:44:45] <stormchaser3000> i am assuming that either the connections is too slow or i configured something incorrectly
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2904 [20:45:31] <jhutchins_wk> stormchaser3000: I haven't used it in several years, but I'd see what the server says is happening. iirc, there's a way to get pretty verbose logging when you're troubleshooting.
2905 [20:46:27] <stormchaser3000> ok... how do i get the verbose logging?
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2910 [20:48:25] <jhutchins_wk> stormchaser3000: replaced-url
2911 [20:48:34] <jhutchins_wk> stormchaser3000: Sorry, got a meeting to get to.
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2914 [20:50:31] <setuid> This definitely looks like a grave bug
2915 [20:50:49] <setuid> preseed files that use grub in any way whatsoever, trigger interactive prompting
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2948 [20:59:46] <mefistofeles> any ideas why google chrome is giving me certificate errors when trying to navigate google's sites? (like youtube or google.com)
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2950 [20:59:55] <mefistofeles> firefox is working fine
2951 [21:00:10] <mefistofeles> I have the latest stable version of google-chrome
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2955 [21:00:51] <nkuttler> mefistofeles: well, google chrome is not in debian..
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2958 [21:01:00] <nkuttler> so for starters, how did you install it
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2971 [21:04:15] <mefistofeles> nkuttler: from .deb on gogole chrome's site
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2976 [21:05:00] <greycat> I use that version of google-chrome and am not having problems.
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2979 [21:05:35] <missmbob> mefistofeles: time/date mismatch?
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2989 [21:07:45] <setuid> Usually it's because time is off, even by a couple of seconds
2990 [21:07:53] <setuid> certs fail to validate, because mitm mitigtation
2991 [21:08:04] <mefistofeles> missmbob: no, datetime is fine
2992 [21:08:35] <setuid> I'll bet it isn't
2993 [21:08:38] <mefistofeles> setuid: let me check that exactly, then
2994 [21:08:39] <mefistofeles> yes
2995 [21:08:43] <setuid> ntpdate time.nist.gov
2996 [21:08:47] <setuid> then try again
2997 [21:08:49] <mefistofeles> this is another machine, mine is working fine
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3000 [21:08:53] <mefistofeles> is from a partner at work
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3002 [21:09:09] <Liubuntu> Hello
3003 [21:09:18] <greycat> Used to be, you could run "ntptrace" to see how far off you are. Then people decided they shouldn't allow that to work.
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3006 [21:10:11] <jhutchins_wk> ntpq -p
3007 [21:10:17] <mefistofeles> offset -0.003145 sec
3008 [21:10:19] <mefistofeles> so it was ok
3009 [21:10:39] <mefistofeles> and still giving certificate errors
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3014 [21:11:38] <missmbob> has the browser been restarted since the resync? keeping in mind that chrome runs in background so you have to find the pid and kill it
3015 [21:11:50] <jhutchins_wk> mefistofeles: As is so often the case, it's not the fact that there are errors that is important it's WHAT the errors say.
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3019 [21:12:26] <mefistofeles> jhutchins_wk: I can't seem to get the error in english, but it is a NET::ERR_CERT_WEAK_SIGNATURE_ALGORITHM
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3024 [21:15:45] <setuid> When you close chrome, make sure ALL children are closed too, then try again
3025 [21:15:47] <jhutchins_wk> You're on the same version?
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3029 [21:16:21] <jhutchins_wk> Weak signature algorithm doesn't have anything to do with timestamps.
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3031 [21:16:39] <setuid> sudo apt-get install libnss3-1d
3032 [21:16:43] <setuid> restart chrome
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3035 [21:17:54] <missmbob> google.com and youtube.com dont use weak signatures. that's weird
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3037 [21:18:39] <mefistofeles> I even reinstalled chrome
3038 [21:18:49] <mefistofeles> and even installed chromium, chromium gives the same error
3039 [21:19:01] <mefistofeles> removed .conf/google-chrome and still
3040 [21:19:02] <jhutchins_wk> setuid: Wouldn't that tend to be installed by default and/or a dependency?
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3042 [21:19:08] <mefistofeles> setuid: let me try that
3043 [21:19:10] <greycat> http proxy feeding the wrong site?
3044 [21:19:12] <setuid> jhutchins_wk: Not necessarily
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3048 [21:19:53] <jhutchins_wk> mefistofeles: Do you have other browsers on that box you can test with?
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3050 [21:19:58] <rokra> Hello
3051 [21:19:59] <mefistofeles> ok, sovled by upgrading libnss3
3052 [21:20:01] <mefistofeles> thanks setuid
3053 [21:20:03] <mefistofeles> solved*
3054 [21:20:10] <setuid> \o/
3055 [21:20:12] <mefistofeles> jhutchins_wk: yeah, firefox was working fine
3056 [21:20:32] <jhutchins_wk> Very strange. Glad you fixed it. Good on ya' setuid
3057 [21:20:34] <rokra> I have an issue with strech and nvidia driver :s impossible to get X lauched :(, someone can help me ?
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3059 [21:20:49] <setuid> rokra: paste.debian.net, logs or error messages
3060 [21:21:00] <somiaj> rokra: you will need to provide more info if you want a chance of getting help.
3061 [21:21:07] <jhutchins_wk> rokra: What procedure did you follow.
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3063 [21:22:34] <rokra> replaced-url
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3066 [21:23:55] <jhutchins_wk> rokra: The system kernel log would be shown by dmesg (dmesg | less).
3067 [21:24:01] <mefistofeles> 14:19:02 < jhutchins_wk> setuid: Wouldn't that tend to be installed by default and/or a dependency?
3068 [21:24:06] <mefistofeles> I think so too
3069 [21:24:10] <rokra> to be honest , this is a PC for my son , with counter strike. The default Grpahic card is Intel HD 530 but not working properly. I decided to stick an old Geforce 8800GTS and run the following procedure :replaced-url
3070 [21:24:12] <mefistofeles> that's probable a packagin problem
3071 [21:24:14] <mefistofeles> probably*
3072 [21:24:22] <rokra> replaced-url
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3074 [21:24:35] <setuid> mefistofeles: If it's requried, file a bug and have them fix it
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3076 [21:24:52] <rokra> The problem is now that I have no more any X working :s
3077 [21:24:54] <jhutchins_wk> rokra: There would appear to be a mismatch between the drivers and your card.
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3079 [21:25:01] <mefistofeles> setuid: well, not really *required* but you won't be able to navigate Google's sites
3080 [21:25:04] <mefistofeles> :P
3081 [21:25:07] <jhutchins_wk> lspci -nn | grep -i vga
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3084 [21:25:22] <rokra> jhutchins_wk: 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: NVIDIA Corporation G80 [GeForce 8800 GTS] [10de:0193] (rev a2)
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3086 [21:25:45] <jhutchins_wk> ,pciid 10de:0193
3087 [21:25:47] <judd> [10de:0193] is 'G80 [GeForce 8800 GTS]' from 'NVIDIA Corporation' with kernel modules 'nouveau', 'snd-hda-intel' in jessie. See also replaced-url
3088 [21:27:36] <jhutchins_wk> rokra: Did you download NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-295.49.run?
3089 [21:27:39] <rokra> jhutchins_wk: I ran the nvidia detect , it advices me to install the nvidia 340 instead of the last version 375 if I remmember well but I think everythin is broken now?
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3091 [21:28:02] <rokra> jhutchins_wk: No, for the moment I used only the apt-get
3092 [21:28:12] <jhutchins_wk> rokra: You need to figure out why the kernel module isn't loading, start sifting through dmesg.
3093 [21:28:14] <rokra> jhutchins_wk: do u think it can solve the isse?
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3098 [21:29:36] <jhutchins_wk> rokra: Yeah, that's an old link badly indexed, sorry. 375 is current, not 295
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3101 [21:30:08] <rokra> jhutchins_wk: Nothing in dmesg, just looking
3102 [21:30:33] <jhutchins_wk> rokra: Look for "nv"
3103 [21:30:52] <rokra> only : [ 0.824117] rtc_cmos 00:04: alarms up to one month, y3k, 242 bytes nvram, hpet irqs
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3106 [21:31:45] <jhutchins_wk> rokra: Obviously that's not it, and for some reason the kernel module isn't loading.
3107 [21:32:13] <rokra> is there a generic driver I can set instead of nvidia in the xorg.conf in the device section to get the X working again?
3108 [21:32:33] <greycat> It should fall back to VESA in many cases. All by itself.
3109 [21:33:12] <rokra> greycat: ok
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3113 [21:35:05] <shtrb|laptop> should I be safe using nouevau, with Nvidia 940m (there is some warnning regarding bad priv )
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3115 [21:35:22] <rokra> is there any way to reset config?
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3117 [21:35:46] <greycat> move your /etc/X11/xorg.conf to some other filename, if you made one.
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3120 [21:36:36] <shtrb|laptop> rokra , and any specific file under xorg.conf.d too
3121 [21:37:06] <jhutchins_wk> rokra: Also fix the blacklist.
3122 [21:37:29] <jhutchins_wk> I think the installer blacklists nouveau or nv, which is why it doesn't fall back.
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3124 [21:37:57] <rokra> shtrb|laptop: no , no folder with that name
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3126 [21:38:13] <rokra> jhutchins_wk: what do u mean by blackilist?
3127 [21:38:26] <shtrb|laptop> under modprobe file
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3129 [21:39:03] <rokra> I moved the original xorg.conf to xorg.conf.old20170417 and the X is started again ( that s good thing) but cinnamon is crashing now
3130 [21:39:20] <jhutchins_wk> rokra: Look in /etc/modprobe.d/
3131 [21:39:22] <setuid> Ok... so, anyone doing automated installs/builds with debconf and a preseed file?
3132 [21:39:31] <shtrb|laptop> If have modified anything under /etc/modprobe.d/ (with blacklist in the line)
3133 [21:39:35] <setuid> because I'm about to defenestrate this thing ;)
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3136 [21:40:03] <rokra> here the file in the modprobe.d : amd64-microcode-blacklist.confdkms.conf intel-microcode-blacklist.conf nvidia-blacklists-nouveau.conf nvidia.confnvidia-kernel-common.conf
3137 [21:40:07] <shtrb|laptop> setuid, what do you mean ?
3138 [21:40:10] <BluesKaj> yes if the nvidia proprietary driver is installed, nouveau is blacklisted in /etc/nvidia/
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3140 [21:40:29] <shtrb|laptop> Hey BluesKaj
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3144 [21:40:31] <shtrb|laptop> *Hi
3145 [21:40:41] <rkorandy> hey shtrb
3146 [21:40:48] <BluesKaj> hi shtrb|laptop
3147 [21:40:52] <setuid> shtrb|laptop: My preseed works great, except where it gets to installing grub, then it turns interactive and wants me to confirm the install
3148 [21:40:54] <rkorandy> hey blueskaj
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3150 [21:40:57] <shtrb|laptop> and hi to the rest
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3152 [21:41:07] <setuid> I've tried everry suggestion, recipe, example and template out there, none of them work
3153 [21:41:24] <rkorandy> my gnome themes don't work too well on jessie
3154 [21:41:29] <rkorandy> any suggestions?
3155 [21:41:54] <rokra> Do I need to remove blacklist on nvidia?
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3158 [21:42:35] <shtrb|laptop> setuid , to be sure I understand you correctly , you have a preseed file for auto installing vms/dockers whatever correct ?
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3160 [21:43:00] <setuid> shtrb|laptop: Preseed that takes an upstream iso and builds a working install locally, with pre-injected packages/config
3161 [21:43:17] <setuid> everything works flawlessly, except that it's not fully unattended, I have to hit [Ok] at the damn grub-pc install part
3162 [21:43:28] <shtrb|laptop> yes , I wished to see I understand correctly
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3164 [21:43:48] <shtrb|laptop> I actually getting hit with a different bug (os-probe not being called ) :-(
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3166 [21:44:05] <shtrb|laptop> the other side of that bug :-(
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3171 [21:44:51] <setuid> shtrb|laptop: replaced-url
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3173 [21:45:24] <shtrb|laptop> sorry I forgot to say I'm on sid
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3188 [21:50:27] <mender27> I'm becoming increasingly interested in packaging for Debian. Could someone point me to good up-to-date resources on creating .deb packages?
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3191 [21:50:52] <greycat> !nmg
3192 [21:50:52] <dpkg> The packaging tutorial (replaced-url
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3196 [21:51:38] <mender27> greycat: haha, that was quick! thanks a lot :).
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3200 [21:51:57] <shtrb|laptop> setuid , are you installing on a usb or something like that ?
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3202 [21:52:10] <setuid> shtrb|laptop: nope, just a virtualbox vm
3203 [21:52:13] <setuid> standard /dev/sda
3204 [21:52:21] <setuid> first, and only hard drive in the box
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3209 [21:54:06] <mender27> greycat: on top of those docs, there are helper packages to ease packaging, right?
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3211 [21:54:23] <shtrb|laptop> can you see if having instead d-i grub-installer/only_debian boolean true , d-i grub-installer/with_other_os boolean true , d-i finish-install/reboot_in_progress note without the manual installation ?
3212 [21:54:24] <mender27> greycat: I remember doing it in the past, but almost entirely manually.
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3215 [21:54:41] <greycat> There's all kinds of stuff. Most of it's covered in the NMG.
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3217 [21:55:06] <mender27> Great! I should probably add it to my list of things to read, just like the Debian Admin Guide.
3218 [21:55:14] <shtrb|laptop> *setuid
3219 [21:55:14] <setuid> shtrb|laptop: I don't understand what you mean
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3222 [21:55:44] <setuid> I've tried with only those 3 lines, yes.
3223 [21:55:47] <setuid> I still get prompted
3224 [21:55:57] <setuid> I've asked the installer not to install grub, I still get prompted
3225 [21:56:04] <setuid> I tell it to install grub, I get prompted
3226 [21:56:11] <mender27> greycat: thanks again for help!
3227 [21:56:19] <shtrb|laptop> :-/
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3230 [21:56:37] <shtrb|laptop> setuid , I meant instead your setup of a direct disk use that option
3231 [21:56:48] <setuid> I've done about 1,300 installs trying to test this
3232 [21:56:50] <mender27> over and out o/
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3234 [21:57:01] <shtrb|laptop> like here replaced-url
3235 [21:57:03] <shtrb|laptop> ohh , sorry
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3241 [21:58:54] <setuid> shtrb|laptop: That example does not work as written
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3243 [21:59:05] <setuid> The exact same grub lines prompt with a confirmation dialog
3244 [21:59:27] <setuid> I've set the messages to not prompt for anything critical and below, it still prompts
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3246 [21:59:30] <shtrb|laptop> sorry for wasting your time :-(
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3248 [22:00:04] <setuid> Not wasting, just frustrating that this does not work
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3250 [22:00:11] <setuid> I think it's an actual lbug
3251 [22:00:26] <shtrb|laptop> Wait , was original iso are you using ?
3252 [22:00:29] <setuid> preseeds aren't 100% automated, can't be, wither you install grub or not
3253 [22:00:39] <setuid> shtrb|laptop: Yep, 100% original upstream iso
3254 [22:00:52] <setuid> I blow my directory away, it pulls it down fresh, checksums it and proceeds
3255 [22:01:13] <setuid> I have everything automated, except grub-pc
3256 [22:01:26] <setuid> I may just go back to lilo
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3258 [22:01:53] <shtrb|laptop> no no , I meant did you take jessie i386 net install etc
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3260 [22:02:29] <setuid> Any installer iso will do this, debian or ubuntu
3261 [22:02:40] <setuid> The problem appears to be debconf
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3264 [22:03:34] <setuid> I'm trying to figure out exactly where this issue is, so I can report it to the right place
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3275 [22:09:26] <anotherus3r> Do you really have DHCP installed on the system?
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3283 [22:12:29] <setuid> anotherus3r: Who?
3284 [22:12:38] <anotherus3r> setuid: what?
3285 [22:12:48] <setuid> Your question, directed to whom?
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3288 [22:13:22] <anotherus3r> setuid: To people?
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3294 [22:15:09] <BluesKaj> anotherus3r: is this about your vpn connection problem?
3295 [22:15:18] <anotherus3r> BluesKaj: yes
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3297 [22:15:57] <BluesKaj> anotherus3r: what vpn service are you using ?
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3299 [22:16:01] <anotherus3r> BluesKaj: Ovpn
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3301 [22:16:19] <BluesKaj> I'm mean the provider
3302 [22:16:21] <shtrb|laptop> anotherus3r , I'm having both dhcp server and clients with open vpn
3303 [22:16:24] <shtrb|laptop> *2.4
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3305 [22:16:42] <anotherus3r> BluesKaj: Yea the provider is ovpn
3306 [22:16:44] <shtrb|laptop> I'm using isc-dhcp-* and bridged mode
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3308 [22:17:39] <shtrb|laptop> in openvpn you have several setup option , the best for me was just to forward everything to a dhcp server on site
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3314 [22:20:44] <anotherus3r> BluesKaj: why?
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3319 [22:21:18] <Epx998> If I need to add drivers to the netboot image, is there a wiki on that?
3320 [22:21:19] <shtrb|laptop> anotherus3r , In openvpn config server-bridge
3321 [22:21:50] <BluesKaj> anotherus3r: different vpns use different methods to connect, yours seems very detailed and easy to follow
3322 [22:22:06] <shtrb|laptop> anotherus3r , are you the opvn provider ?
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3324 [22:22:19] <anotherus3r> shtrb|laptop: No
3325 [22:22:21] <setuid> This is maddening
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3327 [22:22:33] <shtrb|laptop> are you in bridged mode or tunnel mode ?
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3330 [22:22:59] <shtrb|laptop> in case of a bridged mode , you must make sure the tap interface is up before running the client
3331 [22:23:01] <anotherus3r> shtrb|laptop: Do you want to see my openvpn configfile?
3332 [22:23:04] <shtrb|laptop> *the dhcp client
3333 [22:23:43] <setuid> Noooo! Guessing is so much more fun!
3334 [22:23:50] <shtrb|laptop> remove the creds , and server and it would be good
3335 [22:23:55] <shtrb|laptop> do not paste with the keys
3336 [22:23:58] <buu> guys
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3338 [22:24:16] <buu> Which grub packages should I have installed to make sure I can reboot?
3339 [22:24:25] <shtrb|laptop> all the rest (the config would be good to see )
3340 [22:24:44] <setuid> buu: grub-common
3341 [22:24:51] <shtrb|laptop> also please share the exact error you are having (I'm guessing it is realted to dhcp not working because of interface not up yet (common issue) )
3342 [22:25:16] <shtrb|laptop> but it could also be bad keys , incorrect keepalive settings etc
3343 [22:25:27] <buu> setuid: is that it?
3344 [22:25:37] <setuid> buu: that will pull in the other deps
3345 [22:25:50] <anotherus3r> shtrb|laptop: do you want to see the dhclient.conf file?
3346 [22:25:58] <shtrb|laptop> anotherus3r , no
3347 [22:26:01] <shtrb|laptop> just the openvpn config
3348 [22:26:18] <shtrb|laptop> unless you have ip by dhcp option (I guess it's not the case)
3349 [22:26:31] <buu> setuid: when I installed it, it didn't pull in any other grub- packages
3350 [22:26:48] <shtrb|laptop> *by dhcp name (but you would have known about it because the provider would have said to you that you need to use XXX identifier )
3351 [22:26:49] <setuid> buu: does sudo update-grub work?
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3353 [22:27:07] <buu> yup
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3355 [22:27:30] <anotherus3r> shtrb|laptop: replaced-url
3356 [22:28:07] <buu> Next problem! replaced-url
3357 [22:28:48] <shtrb|laptop> and what is the exact error ?
3358 [22:29:16] <anotherus3r> shtrb|laptop: DNS servers keep changing back to my ISP dns servers
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3361 [22:30:00] <shtrb|laptop> hmm ... that can happen if you have nm/dhclient running
3362 [22:30:17] <shtrb|laptop> that is irrelevent to your openvpn setup
3363 [22:31:00] <anotherus3r> shtrb|laptop: So what should I do?
3364 [22:31:10] <anotherus3r> uninstall dhclient?
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3366 [22:31:17] <shtrb|laptop> first check if you have dhclient / nm running
3367 [22:31:20] <shtrb|laptop> (no)
3368 [22:31:31] <shtrb|laptop> you can stop them , or configure them
3369 [22:31:36] <anotherus3r> dhclient -v -pf /run/dhclient.eth0.pid -lf /var/lib/dhcp/dhclient.eth0.lease
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3372 [22:32:00] <shtrb|laptop> the dns servers are the ones which are pulled from there correct ?
3373 [22:32:16] <anotherus3r> I dont really understand?
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3375 [22:32:37] <shtrb|laptop> that is the link how you get connected to the ISP ?
3376 [22:32:39] <anotherus3r> but I think dhclient is running
3377 [22:32:53] <anotherus3r> no thats from ps x
3378 [22:33:04] <anotherus3r> that means dhclient is running, no?
3379 [22:33:15] <anotherus3r> 1826 ? Ss 0:00 dhclient -v -pf /run/dhclient.eth0.pid -lf /var/lib/dhcp/dhclient.eth0.lease
3380 [22:33:19] <shtrb|laptop> yes it does , I'm asking do you have one link or more ?
3381 [22:33:46] <anotherus3r> with dhclient? only one.
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3385 [22:35:56] <seanz> Greetings. What are the general guidelines around storing sensitive info in a package?
3386 [22:36:10] <seanz> I'm trying to package up my app and am looking for pointers. It would be hosted in a private package repo.
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3388 [22:36:50] <anotherus3r> shtrb|laptop: replaced-url
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3390 [22:37:43] <shtrb|laptop> also can you share your /etc/openvpn/update-resolv-conf ?
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3392 [22:38:02] <anotherus3r> sure
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3394 [22:38:31] <shtrb|laptop> the easiest way I can think of is to prepend domain-name-servers yourverynicednsserver
3395 [22:38:35] <anotherus3r> shtrb|laptop: replaced-url
3396 [22:39:03] <shtrb|laptop> but we can adjust that script to kill all other preexiting dhcp scripts
3397 [22:39:09] <nkuttler> seanz: sensitive info?
3398 [22:39:32] <seanz> nkuttler: API keys and such.
3399 [22:39:51] <shtrb|laptop> seanz , don't some asshole will abuse them
3400 [22:40:18] <seanz> shtrb|laptop: Fair enough. How does that info get staged on a new server? The app I'm installing requires a certain config.
3401 [22:40:19] <nkuttler> seanz: i assume you will install that package only on boxes you control?
3402 [22:40:23] <seanz> Yes.
3403 [22:40:24] * shtrb|laptop included
3404 [22:40:26] <anotherus3r> shtrb|laptop: Should I change #prepend domain-name-servers 127.0.0.1; to prepend domain-name-servers 46.227.67.134, 192.165.9.158; ?
3405 [22:40:40] <shtrb|laptop> is that the correct ips ?
3406 [22:40:52] <shtrb|laptop> that would work if in most cast you are connecting to that vpn
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3408 [22:40:58] <nkuttler> seanz: i'd probably push the keys with a config management tool, doesn't feel right to put that in a package
3409 [22:41:01] <anotherus3r> shtrb|laptop: no thats my VPN providers DNS servers that I want to use
3410 [22:41:16] * greycat wonders what the hell an "API key" is
3411 [22:41:23] <nkuttler> seanz: depends on the keys though..
3412 [22:41:31] <nkuttler> greycat: a key that lets you use an api
3413 [22:41:36] <shtrb|laptop> greycat , think about a root password or ssh key
3414 [22:41:59] <shtrb|laptop> in some cases it's pay per use , so if someone abuses it , the author will pay for it
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3419 [22:42:20] <nkuttler> or keys with different levels of access etc
3420 [22:42:39] <seanz> Thanks for the input.
3421 [22:43:12] <shtrb|laptop> seanz , we use a hardware device and a per client cert for usage (lot's of extra work but worth the effort if the software gets into the wrong hands)
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3424 [22:43:58] * shtrb|laptop assume seanz is allowed to use certs in the first place
3425 [22:44:00] <greycat> This is a *common* thing?! People actually do this? Like, for real? This isn't just some elaborate late April Fools's Day prank?
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3427 [22:44:16] <shtrb|laptop> greaycat , abuse free services ?
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3429 [22:44:36] <greycat> Clearly this ain't "free" in any of the senses I understand the word to have.
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3431 [22:44:48] <greycat> This is like pay-per-play or something.
3432 [22:44:56] <missmbob> it's common. google uses it for lots of things...map api access, etc.
3433 [22:44:59] <shtrb|laptop> some service are like that , not all
3434 [22:45:12] <shtrb|laptop> in the mapping services , you buy a bulk of operations
3435 [22:45:28] <anotherus3r> shtrb|laptop: I just checked the prepend domain-name-servers in dhclient.conf, But it still changing it back to another (my ISP) DNS servers.
3436 [22:45:38] <shtrb|laptop> that is why I ask all my collegaues to switch to osm
3437 [22:45:52] <nkuttler> greycat: i have several keys that are used every day in automated jobs
3438 [22:45:55] <anotherus3r> shtrb|laptop: I mean, I changed it in dhclient.conf
3439 [22:46:06] <shtrb|laptop> anotherus3r , while the link to the server was up ?
3440 [22:46:23] <greycat> And these "keys" allow you to "buy" information from The Cloud? Which you need for your automated jobs?
3441 [22:46:36] <shtrb|laptop> greycat , alsmot every single server give you an api today (that I work for)
3442 [22:46:43] <nkuttler> greycat: they allow me to request data, or write/store data
3443 [22:46:49] <seanz> They authorize one's use of a service. or API. They also identify _who_ is using the service.
3444 [22:46:57] <seanz> What nkuttler said.
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3446 [22:47:13] <anotherus3r> shtrb|laptop: Do you mean while dhclient was running? 1826 ? Ss 0:00 dhclient -v -pf /run/dhclient.eth0.pid -lf /var/lib/dhcp/dhclient.eth0.lease
3447 [22:47:36] <nkuttler> i have a job for example that writes to a google spreadsheet for the marketing folks. they love that stuff..
3448 [22:47:38] <shtrb|laptop> anotherus3r , no while openvpn is running
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3450 [22:47:43] <anotherus3r> yes
3451 [22:48:03] <shtrb|laptop> did you remember to restart the dhclient service after your edit ?
3452 [22:48:09] <anotherus3r> no
3453 [22:48:11] <anotherus3r> how do I do that?
3454 [22:48:13] <seanz> We have an API key for Sendgrid, because we send lots of emails through that service.
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3456 [22:48:27] <greycat> What the hell happened to my world.
3457 [22:48:28] <seanz> Sendgrid handles all of the horrific details around mass email delivery.
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3460 [22:48:40] <greycat> "mass email delivery" = you are a spammer, yes?
3461 [22:48:52] <greycat> So this is a thing that spammers have to do? Buy keys and shit?
3462 [22:49:01] <nkuttler> .oO
3463 [22:49:05] <seanz> Nope. Sharing service that allows merchants' customers to share products and such.
3464 [22:49:12] <nkuttler> maybe we should take this to -offtopic
3465 [22:49:21] <anotherus3r> shtrb|laptop: How do I restart the dhclient service?
3466 [22:49:22] <shtrb|laptop> greycat , I had access to outsourced SMS engine does it make a spammer ?
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3468 [22:49:51] <seanz> greycat: Nice to see you here. You've helped me a number of times in #bash.
3469 [22:49:52] <shtrb|laptop> sorry , /etc/init.d/networking restart (but it will disconnect you from the ISP )
3470 [22:49:59] <seanz> I've also enjoyed reading some of your blog posts.
3471 [22:50:05] <anotherus3r> shtrb|laptop: brb
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3473 [22:50:24] <mutante> no, as soon as you outsource something that isnt your problem anymore. that includes all moral implications of your business. that's what you pay the others for ..duh
3474 [22:50:27] <shtrb|laptop> rememebr to start your openvpn service
3475 [22:50:39] <shtrb|laptop> and that is why you pay for the API key
3476 [22:50:46] <shtrb|laptop> *service
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3479 [22:51:13] * greycat puts up yet another mental wall between himself and The Cloud
3480 [22:51:34] <shtrb|laptop> greycat , here is a very cheap for MAP requests (replaced-url
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3482 [22:51:47] <seanz> I feel the same way about "serverless", which is actually *many* servers.
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3484 [22:51:54] <seanz> It's the opposite of serverless in every way.
3485 [22:51:54] <shtrb|laptop> some service will charge good money will other will do less
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3487 [22:52:26] <shtrb|laptop> seanz , are your actions are pay per use ?
3488 [22:52:27] <shtrb|laptop> *operations
3489 [22:52:28] <greycat> I feel like I have just been walking along, minding my own business, and suddenly I turned a corner and I am in the middle of a cult meeting.
3490 [22:52:35] <nkuttler> there's nothing nefarious about api keys, they don't always cost money, and if you're a happy sysop in a basement who doesn't talk to external services that's great too
3491 [22:53:06] <seanz> shtrb|laptop: The product that I work on? The merchant pays for us, and we "extend" their reach (increase their conversion rates) by allowing customers to share to friends.
3492 [22:53:19] <greycat> Spam.
3493 [22:53:21] <seanz> It's free to the customer. When done well, it appears to be a natural part of the merchant's site.
3494 [22:53:34] <shtrb|laptop> no , I meant if the key is used by someone else (will you need to pay for i)
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3498 [22:54:04] <seanz> greycat: Call it what you want, but average bump in sales is 13% or more. Try getting that elsewhere.
3499 [22:54:05] <missmbob> you usually only get billed if your key accesses the service over x number of times, then it's in blocks
3500 [22:54:10] <nkuttler> greycat: you don't know what you're talking about
3501 [22:54:11] <shtrb|laptop> greycat , if you don't pay for a free service you are the product (sorry )
3502 [22:54:22] <seanz> shtrb|laptop: Yes, definitely. We have sending limits and such.
3503 [22:54:38] <shtrb|laptop> yes , so I think you can choose the way our guys did
3504 [22:54:46] <shtrb|laptop> have a per client cert and a hardware key
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3506 [22:54:57] <shtrb|laptop> your package will allow the user to load a cert
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3508 [22:55:07] <shtrb|laptop> *assuming you are allowed to do so
3509 [22:55:09] <greycat> !wwrmsd
3510 [22:55:10] <dpkg> methinks wwrmsd is What Would RMS Do?
3511 [22:55:11] <shtrb|laptop> *it's one option
3512 [22:55:36] <shtrb|laptop> greycat , what is wrong with using certs ?
3513 [22:55:37] <mutante> nkuttler/seanz: so if you are not a spammer you must be "in a basement" and "if it sells i dont care" ... maybe you should really take it to elswhere.. bah
3514 [22:55:38] <nkuttler> greycat: probably not demonize an auth method..
3515 [22:55:57] <nkuttler> mutante: for fucks sake how stupid are you..
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3520 [22:56:32] <mutante> nkuttler: now you are insulting me? go away
3521 [22:56:34] <shtrb|laptop> or auth keys for that matter , it's just a security issue in the end of the day
3522 [22:56:37] <nkuttler> that's like saying that pam is evil because it allows me to log into my server and send spam
3523 [22:56:39] <seanz> Thanks for the input, nkuttler, greycat, shtrb|laptop. Lots to think about as I work through this.
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3525 [22:57:03] <nkuttler> mutante: you started with the name calling
3526 [22:57:04] <seanz> I didn't mean to start an issue - just wondering how others manage sensitive data.
3527 [22:57:40] <mutante> nkuttler: no, i did not. there isn't a single name there. you instead tried to use "in a basement" to belittle others
3528 [22:57:45] <nkuttler> seanz: it's bizarre, really..
3529 [22:57:50] <shtrb|laptop> seanz , if you do choose a hardware key , very the provider is someone you can trust and his stuff really works with your devices
3530 [22:57:53] <greycat> Well, for sure you don't include anything that works *like* an SSH private key into a Debian package that you intend to distribute.
3531 [22:58:02] <shtrb|laptop> *veify
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3533 [22:58:23] <seanz> greycat: That much is clear to me now. I don't have a lot of packaging experience, so I'm not sure how others do this.
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3536 [22:58:36] <shtrb|laptop> greycat , an API key is the equvivalnet in some cases
3537 [22:58:42] <seanz> It seems like packages don't include anything sensitive, and it's up to the user to configure the package once installed.
3538 [22:59:09] <seanz> Like dropping a config file into /etc/default/${package_name} or something.
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3540 [22:59:11] <seanz> No?
3541 [22:59:15] <shtrb|laptop> yes , you can also push your server cert automaticly (your cas)
3542 [22:59:19] <shtrb|laptop> CAs
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3544 [22:59:31] <shtrb|laptop> it is an option ,
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3548 [22:59:50] <shtrb|laptop> some (like pidgin plugins) forces the user to perform a webbased auth
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3552 [23:00:45] <seanz> Interesting.
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3554 [23:01:06] <seanz> That makes sense for a certain kind of use case. My use case is installing a python application that is run through uwsgi / nginx.
3555 [23:01:11] * shtrb|laptop searches for how pam packages act
3556 [23:01:26] <seanz> So I want the application files dropped into the system path.
3557 [23:01:46] <seanz> I also want different configs based on which "environment" the server represents.
3558 [23:02:03] <seanz> A staging server would have a different set of configs than prod, which is pretty standard (I think).
3559 [23:02:05] <shtrb|laptop> Is the client running nginx ?
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3564 [23:02:30] <nkuttler> seanz: one problem with packages is that any user can read them in /var/cache/apt/archives/
3565 [23:02:37] <shtrb|laptop> you need to check how to correctly package such scripts , I remember that apache had their own rules
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3570 [23:03:27] <anotherus3r> ok i rebooted my computer
3571 [23:03:32] <seanz> Ok, that makes sense, nkuttler
3572 [23:03:36] <shtrb|laptop> seanz , assume that shtrb|laptop wish to abuse your server and pulled a ethernet jack onto the wall in a clien office
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3574 [23:03:59] <anotherus3r> shtrb|laptop: I rebooted my computer, now the /etc/resolv.conf contains 4 nameservers, 2 from ISP and 2 from VPN provider.
3575 [23:04:00] <seanz> These servers are virtual, hosted in … the … cloud (sorry greycat).
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3577 [23:04:31] <shtrb|laptop> anotherus3r , vpn are listed before the ISP correct ?
3578 [23:04:35] <anotherus3r> yes
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3580 [23:04:57] <BluesKaj> anotherus3r: run sudo dhclient
3581 [23:04:58] <anotherus3r> shtrb|laptop: How did you know ? :)
3582 [23:05:15] <anotherus3r> BluesKaj: RTNETLINK answers: File exists
3583 [23:05:17] <shtrb|laptop> no you can add a script that will ban all traffic except over the openvpn
3584 [23:05:32] <BluesKaj> anotherus3r: good , then it's started
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3586 [23:05:45] <shtrb|laptop> BluesKaj , he probably has eth0 dhcp in network/interfaces
3587 [23:05:53] <shtrb|laptop> so a dhcp client is started at boot
3588 [23:05:58] <anotherus3r> BluesKaj: But why does it contain 4 nameservers?
3589 [23:06:07] <ompaul> that is a single line in openvpn replaced-url
3590 [23:06:09] <shtrb|laptop> anotherus3r , because I said to you to prepend
3591 [23:06:19] <BluesKaj> shtrb|laptop: if he uses nm
3592 [23:06:32] <greycat> replaced-url
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3594 [23:06:36] <shtrb|laptop> you are correct , he may be using nm
3595 [23:06:44] <anotherus3r> shtrb|laptop: The command line in dhclient.conf? I did add it in there
3596 [23:07:03] <shtrb|laptop> correct , I'm just explaining why you now have 4 lines
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3599 [23:07:29] <anotherus3r> shtrb|laptop: So how do I remove the other 2 from ISP?
3600 [23:08:12] <shtrb|laptop> I said it was an easy option , the new option would be to drop dhcp (or dhclient ) , have a firewall rule that will block everything but openvpn
3601 [23:08:17] <shtrb|laptop> *what jumps into my mind
3602 [23:08:40] <shtrb|laptop> having the addresses prepended will send the request to them prior to your ISP
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3606 [23:09:55] <shtrb|laptop> to totally block everything , what you can do is : add something like up "/usr/local/bin/mysuperscript.sh" that will call update-resolve , and kill previous dhclient or any other option
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3608 [23:10:03] <anotherus3r> shtrb|laptop: replaced-url
3609 [23:10:07] <shtrb|laptop> are you afraid of senstive data getting into the wrong hands ?
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3612 [23:11:00] <anotherus3r> shtrb|laptop: I like privacy :)
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3614 [23:11:29] <shtrb|laptop> in that case , I would suggest having an extra firewall rule to block everything other than vpn traffic
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3616 [23:11:47] <shtrb|laptop> in the up script in the openvpn config (that will be removed in the down)
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3625 [23:14:14] <anotherus3r> shtrb|laptop: Would you suggest "/usr/local/bin/mysuperscript.sh" or the extra firewall rule?
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3627 [23:14:35] <shtrb|laptop> something along the lines of iptables -P INPUT DROP, iptables -P OUTPUT DROP, iptables -P FORWARD DROP, and then allowing only the vpn
3628 [23:14:41] <shtrb|laptop> that in the new script
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3630 [23:14:53] <shtrb|laptop> that script is somehthing you need to write
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3632 [23:16:01] <bernhardr> Hi guys/galls what would be the best commandline batch compression tool for my websites to compress jpeg images..
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3636 [23:16:30] <shtrb|laptop> ofc , you must have something like iptables -A INPUT -s 10.0.0.138 -j ACCEPT,iptables -A OUTPUT -d 10.0.0.138 -j ACCEPT , (assuming that is your route ip) and the same for the openvpn servers
3637 [23:17:18] <BluesKaj> odd, shtrb|laptop, anotherus3r the instructions on the vpn website for debian are very clear replaced-url
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3640 [23:17:44] <shtrb|laptop> he needs something that is outside of openvpn configuration
3641 [23:18:04] <anotherus3r> shtrb|laptop: So what you're saying is that now that I am connected to OpenVPN. So all my traffic goes not through the VPN?
3642 [23:18:12] <shtrb|laptop> yes
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3644 [23:18:16] <shtrb|laptop> if you have a default gw
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3648 [23:18:43] <shtrb|laptop> or you can just ban the ISP DNS servers
3649 [23:19:14] <anotherus3r> shtrb|laptop: because of the ISP dns servers in /etc/resolv.conf, all my traffic goes not through the VPN?
3650 [23:19:27] <shtrb|laptop> BluesKaj , his issue is a standard issue when you have more than one dhclient running
3651 [23:19:44] <shtrb|laptop> not exactly
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3654 [23:20:07] <shtrb|laptop> resolve.conf is only about DNS servers , there is lot's of other traffic other than dns
3655 [23:20:18] <shtrb|laptop> ntp , cert update etc
3656 [23:20:32] <bernhardr> Actually i would like the tool to *crawl* through the dir and subdirs and optimize the jpegs losslessly (so that its better compressed, for seo).
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3664 [23:21:43] <BluesKaj> well, time to close up for the day ...take care all
3665 [23:21:46] <shtrb> anotherus3r I forgot to ask if you are using networkmanaer
3666 [23:21:56] <shtrb> have fun BluesKaj , great night
3667 [23:21:59] <anotherus3r> shtrb: No, Should I?
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3669 [23:22:06] <anotherus3r> BluesKaj: take care
3670 [23:22:20] <bernhardr> jpegtran is the most logic to use for batch jpeg image compression ?
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3672 [23:22:33] <anotherus3r> shtrb: Package 'network-manager' is not installed, so not removed
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3674 [23:22:50] <shtrb> If you don't , it ok , if you it's ok (it was to be sure I'm giving coherent advice)
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3680 [23:24:14] <anotherus3r> shtrb: How do I remove the ISP DNS servers from resolv.conf? And why they comes back when I use prepend domain-name-servers 46.227.67.134, 192.165.9.158;
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3685 [23:26:03] <shtrb> they come back because you have dhclient running , which updates your file every X minutes (the lease setting)
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3687 [23:26:34] <shtrb> the prepend only forces your VPN to be in the list so it will be always used before anything else
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3689 [23:27:22] <anotherus3r> shtrb: But the option DNS i comment out # option domain-name-servers 127.0.0.1;
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3692 [23:27:37] <shtrb> you can drop the domain-names and search but that will brake dhcp when you do not connect to the vpn
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3695 [23:27:52] <shtrb> that only talks about what to add
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3697 [23:28:38] <anotherus3r> But the prepend domain-name-servers 46.227.67.134, 192.165.9.158; (VPN dns servers) should be uncomment, right?
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3699 [23:28:53] <shtrb> it is uncommented (it is correct)
3700 [23:28:57] <mrrhq> I wonder if there's a way to make dhclient refresh the DNS servers when I'm out of range of my wireless network. Thing is, I only use itnerfaces with wpa-supplicant.
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3702 [23:29:08] <mrrhq> I suppose it would be easier for me if I used NetworkManager.
3703 [23:29:16] <mrrhq> *interfaces
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3706 [23:30:27] <shtrb> mrrhq , i think you tie an event to a script in wpa_supplicant
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3711 [23:30:59] <disaster__> hi i look for a way to run php-cli(php5) for daemon script as php-fpm can run in chroot but don't know how
3712 [23:31:02] <mrrhq> I just use the "wpa-conf" line in my interfaces.
3713 [23:31:16] <mrrhq> Not even sure to what extent I could control dhclient with interfaces.
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3715 [23:31:34] <shtrb> wpa-conf is just a nice wrapper
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3723 [23:33:08] <anotherus3r> shtrb: How do I remove the ISP DNS servers from resolv.conf?
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3727 [23:34:23] <shtrb> you mrrhq , I think I have found a way for you , you can tie a disconnect event when calling wpa_cli
3728 [23:34:47] <shtrb> antherus3r , by a script to stop a dhclient would be the easist way
3729 [23:34:57] <shtrb> if it is called after the vpn is up
3730 [23:35:19] <shtrb> *to stop the other dhclient that is running
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3732 [23:35:29] <mrrhq> Tie a disconnect event?
3733 [23:35:34] <shtrb> yes
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3735 [23:35:44] <mrrhq> Normally I use ifdown wlan0; ifup wlan0, which works.
3736 [23:35:45] <shtrb> if you are out of range , I think there is a DISCONNECT event
3737 [23:35:46] <anotherus3r> shtrb: How do I see if there is 2 dhclient running?
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3739 [23:36:02] <shtrb> ps is an option
3740 [23:36:04] <mrrhq> I just want to refresh DNS servers automagically when I'm on another AP.
3741 [23:36:25] <mrrhq> Via resolv.conf
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3744 [23:36:42] <shtrb> what does that even mean ? to restart dhclient ? (dhclient -r wlan0)
3745 [23:37:05] <anotherus3r> shtrb: What I can see, there is only one dhclient. 948 ? Ss 0:00 dhclient -v -pf /run/dhclient.eth0.pid -lf /var/lib/dhcp/dhclie
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3750 [23:38:05] <shtrb> oops , mrrhq -r will just kill and relaease not respawn
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3755 [23:39:17] <shtrb> anotherus3r , can you try adding a route to your vpn server and then adding dhclient -x in that script ?
3756 [23:39:42] <mrrhq> I mean... I know you can make dhclient set a DNS query retry value to lower, like 60 seconds, but it can cause slightly more traffic.
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3758 [23:39:49] <shtrb> that will theoretically leave the ip up , and prevent the dhcp of updating again
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3760 [23:40:17] <mrrhq> I'll see if there's any settings I can use in wpa-supplicant config file.
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3763 [23:40:30] <k2b> I am trying to install a proprietary application in wine. At the end of the application the wineserver crashes printing a bunch of error messages, among them "libGL error: unable to load driver: i965_dri.so". I could find no solution on the internet for my system. Any idea?
3764 [23:40:34] <mrrhq> Just been too lazy to figure this out for so long. :p
3765 [23:40:49] <k2b> *I meant at the end of the installation process, not at the end of the application
3766 [23:41:02] <shtrb> mrrhq , try listining with wpa_cli
3767 [23:41:09] <mrrhq> I'd prefer a way that wouldn't involve reconfiguring/resetting interfaces.
3768 [23:41:11] <shtrb> to see what is being fired
3769 [23:41:33] <anotherus3r> shtrb: Im not running the vpn server. :)
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3771 [23:41:54] <shtrb> that was for mrrhq
3772 [23:41:58] <shtrb> sorry
3773 [23:42:10] <anotherus3r> < shtrb> anotherus3r , can you try adding a route to your vpn server and then adding dhclient -x in that script ?
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3775 [23:42:19] <anotherus3r> ok
3776 [23:42:21] <shtrb> ahh , that is for you
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3778 [23:42:27] <anotherus3r> :)
3779 [23:42:43] <shtrb> on your client side , add a route (route add ... ) in the up script
3780 [23:42:50] <shtrb> the one that I suggested to write
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3788 [23:44:17] <anotherus3r> shtrb: Do you mean in /etc/openvpn/update-resolv-conf
3789 [23:44:18] <anotherus3r> ?
3790 [23:44:46] <shtrb> I meant the one in /usr/bin/local (that should call /etc/openvpn/update-resolv-conf
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3792 [23:45:02] <shtrb> and if does the job for you , file a bug with your patch
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3794 [23:46:11] <mrrhq> I mean, so how it works is I'm at home, I start up wlan0 interface, wpa-supplicant and dhclient start up, then let's say I move to my college network, then wpa-supplicant handles the AP change, however my resolv.conf is still related to my home network. That's the whole problem right there.
3795 [23:46:26] <mrrhq> I don't know why sometimes resolv.conf takes time to set itself correctly.
3796 [23:46:37] <mrrhq> Maybe I'll look more into this.
3797 [23:46:51] <anotherus3r> shtrb: Btw, I always thought if you were connected to openvpn, all your traffic goes truth the vpn, what traffic does not really?
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3799 [23:47:33] <shtrb> that is correct if and only if , the link is up , there is single default gw , there are no static routes , and openvpn pushes a default gw
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3801 [23:47:53] <shtrb> so if the link go down (because the lease need to be updated) , traffic may jump
3802 [23:48:19] <shtrb> and if your setup is good enough , you will not even notice that the vpn is down
3803 [23:49:15] <shtrb> I had found out about that once in the uni , when I couldn't connect to ssh because it was blocked (while openvpn to 443 was open )
3804 [23:50:53] <anotherus3r> shtrb: What do you mean by if the link is up? How do I know all this things?
3805 [23:51:21] <shtrb> if you can ping something that is only accessible inside the vpn , or if you look in the openvpn logs
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3807 [23:51:52] <shtrb> when the link go down (refresh or what ever) there is a warning about it , the route does not exist and other things
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3812 [23:54:35] <anotherus3r> shtrb: Do you mean the link (the connection) to VPN server itself?
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3814 [23:54:49] <shtrb> yes
3815 [23:54:58] <anotherus3r> shtrb: How do you know if there is single default gw , there are no static routes , and openvpn pushes a default gw
3816 [23:55:03] <anotherus3r> ?
3817 [23:55:05] <shtrb> route -n
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3819 [23:55:38] <shtrb> will answer two first question
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3821 [23:56:00] <anotherus3r> and the last question about openvpn pushes a default gw?
3822 [23:56:01] <shtrb> as for the the third one , you can check if after connetiong to your vpn if your ip changes
3823 [23:56:09] <shtrb> go to something like whatismyip
3824 [23:56:09] <anotherus3r> ok
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3827 [23:56:53] <anotherus3r> shtrb: replaced-url
3828 [23:58:04] <shtrb> hmm ...
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3831 [23:59:55] <shtrb> I really dislike that you don't have a direct route just to your vpn
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