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0 [00:03:59] <Nitrogen> Apparently adding a point does the job. So, how do I replace a certain character sequence in all html files of an folder?
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13 [00:09:51] <Chunkyz> When is Debian 9 out?
14 [00:10:16] <SuperTramp83> Chunkyz, it is already out :)
15 [00:10:19] <missmbob> replaced-url
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18 [00:10:34] <SuperTramp83> yeah, stable when ^
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21 [00:11:14] <Chunkyz> SuperTramp83: ?
22 [00:11:48] <SuperTramp83> Chunkyz, Unstable (9) will get Stable 9 in a few months..
23 [00:11:56] <SuperTramp83> srry, Testing
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26 [00:12:23] <SuperTramp83> Chunkyz, there is Stable , Testing and Unstable (Sid)
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33 [00:13:38] <emx> What would be a good DE to use for someone who is new to Linux?
34 [00:14:29] <emx> I was thinking kde or mate
35 [00:14:37] <Nitrogen> How do I remove the <script></script> tag and everything inbetween from multiple HTML files?
36 [00:15:02] <missmbob> Nitrogen: ask ##sed
37 [00:15:07] <emx> you should ask #programming
38 [00:15:10] <alad> emx: if it's not for yourself - whatever you feel comfortable supporting
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42 [00:16:45] <Nitrogen> I can't join either of those
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44 [00:17:06] <missmbob> Nitrogen: ## not #
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49 [00:18:03] <Nitrogen> Huh. Okay. Thanks!
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69 [00:20:54] <emx> How to do you update the drives that are connected to your computer in the terminal?
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71 [00:21:33] <nkuttler> emx: update? mount?
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76 [00:23:44] <emx> I plugged in a usb flash drive lsblk or fdisk -l it won't display the connected drive
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83 [00:25:34] <emx> And i can't use a gui because the xorg server is damaged
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85 [00:27:12] <jelly> lsblk, run as root, ought to show it
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89 [00:29:53] <punctuatin> is it formatted in a working filesystem?
90 [00:30:08] <emx> i formatted it with windows
91 [00:30:16] <emx> with exfat
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93 [00:31:36] <punctuatin> k
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96 [00:32:50] <emx> Should i try using ntfs instead?
97 [00:33:35] <jelly> or install exfat-fuse
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104 [00:35:01] <SuperTramp83> emx, Xfce is what I mostly install on new user's computers. They are usually happy with it.
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147 [00:57:53] <pflanze> How can I make (apt or) dpkg *not* ask any questions in the configuration step?
148 [00:57:59] <pflanze> I'm already using apt-get -y
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150 [00:59:20] <amcorreia> did you try -f
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152 [01:00:29] <pflanze> apt-get -f install ?
153 [01:00:36] <pflanze> Doesn't ask or report anything.
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155 [01:01:36] <pflanze> I know there is a way to configure *how* dpkg (or ?) should ask questions.
156 [01:01:43] <pflanze> I forgot what that is.
157 [01:02:03] <pflanze> I hope I can tell it to ask questions by mail only (i.e. nothing interactive).
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159 [01:02:55] <pflanze> It's after saying "Preconfiguring packages ..."
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169 [01:08:03] <rudi_s> pflanze: It won't ask questions over mail, but you can suppress all questions and always choose the default if you like.
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251 [01:49:17] <whoisjohngestalt> wtf debian 9 drops ppc support
252 [01:49:35] <whoisjohngestalt> ian dies and everything goes to shit
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262 [01:56:14] <emx> no one really uses power pc anymore
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271 [02:00:05] <ryouma> dunno what to do with an old mac laptop then
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279 [02:05:14] <somiaj> whoisjohngestalt: there is still a ppc port, it is just now unoffical, but can still be used if needed.
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295 [02:10:02] <whoisjohngestalt> somiaj: ok cool, thanks, i didnt realize that
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298 [02:10:11] <whoisjohngestalt> emx: i do
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300 [02:10:27] <whoisjohngestalt> ryouma: netbsd
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304 [02:10:59] <ryouma> whoisjohngestalt: thanks (though debian is all i know)
305 [02:11:16] <whoisjohngestalt> time for me to become a package maintiner for an unofficial port i guess
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307 [02:11:52] <whoisjohngestalt> ryouma: adapt or die, i suppose. or become involved in mainaining the unoffial port we just learned exists
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311 [02:12:27] <ryouma> yeah, i'd use whichever installs quickly and is considered secure enough
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314 [02:12:55] <somiaj> whoisjohngestalt: there are other ports that are not released with stable, this isn't new, the port should still work, it just won't have the same security support.
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316 [02:13:51] <emx> ubuntu has official ppc support
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318 [02:14:17] <somiaj> is it keeping it, I wonder if it will follow suit since debian isn't realsing one
319 [02:15:24] <whoisjohngestalt> ryouma: nice. any code distibution you intend to run may deserve your own personal code audit if security is what you seek
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321 [02:16:15] <whoisjohngestalt> somiaj: i see. is there an debian project document about unofficial ports
322 [02:16:43] <somiaj> lots, one second
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325 [02:17:16] <whoisjohngestalt> emx: yes they do, although i have not had luck with it. and i assume they will drop support since their upstream just did
326 [02:17:20] <somiaj> replaced-url
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328 [02:17:38] <emx> did you try ubuntu mate?
329 [02:17:56] <whoisjohngestalt> somiaj: ^^
330 [02:18:19] <whoisjohngestalt> somiaj: thank you for the document hyperlink
331 [02:18:25] <whoisjohngestalt> i'll start there
332 [02:19:00] <whoisjohngestalt> emx: i didn't -- but isn't that downstream from ubuntuu
333 [02:19:06] <somiaj> whoisjohngestalt: anyways, unsure how the transition will happen, but powerpc won't just dissapaer, it will just stop getting offical support and development on it may be limited.
334 [02:19:27] <frankie____> quick question here, does 8.7 have support for qca9377 wireless card?
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338 [02:20:23] <somiaj> frankie____: more info is needed for me to figure that out. Do you happen to know what kernel is known to work for that card, sometimes you can look up the linux version support was added
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344 [02:21:31] <frankie____> somiaj: it works with fedora 25 kernel...so, since fedora is bleeding edge, i figure it's the latest kernel
345 [02:21:42] <whoisjohngestalt> somiaj: well, thanks. as long as the kernel continues to support the architectuer, i'll be happy
346 [02:21:58] <whoisjohngestalt> s/uer/ure/
347 [02:22:25] <emx> upgrade the kernel to 4.10
348 [02:22:46] <somiaj> frankie____: in jessie you can get the 4.9 kernel from jessie backports, if it is supported in linux that kernel is most likely knew enough.
349 [02:23:09] <somiaj> frankie____: you may not have access to the card during the install, but can get it to work afterwards
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351 [02:23:21] <emx> you risk messing up your settings
352 [02:23:38] <frankie____> somiaj: got it..i'll give it a shot
353 [02:24:06] <frankie____> thanks man
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360 [02:26:07] <emx> When will wayland replace xorg?
361 [02:26:40] <whoisjohngestalt> is debian dropping xorg and moving to wayland?
362 [02:26:49] <whoisjohngestalt> or just cannonical?
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364 [02:27:59] <ryouma> 17:15 <whoisjohngestalt> ryouma: nice. any code distibution you intend to run may deserve your own personal code audit if security is what you seek -- let me count the lines
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366 [02:28:23] <missmbob> that's the idea. canonical uses mir instead
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369 [02:30:51] <missmbob> which is really silly. i never understood that
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371 [02:31:33] <emx> it was to scare the wayland devs into making it faster
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379 [02:36:15] <whoisjohngestalt> ryouma: lol
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392 [02:48:36] <somiaj> whoisjohngestalt: waylend is not a replacment of xorg, it will be provided along side of xorg.
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447 [03:21:43] <zykotick9> missmbob: <ot> do you think canonical will continue with mir, now that they've dropped unity and are returning to gnome?
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451 [03:22:26] <missmbob> zykotick9: no idea
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470 [03:35:09] <monban> silly question, does one need ALSA installed if one has pulseaudio? I'm having a heck of time fixing my sound and if pulseaudio can do it all on its own (can it?) I feel like I can simplify things by cutting out the ALSA middleman
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473 [03:35:43] <phogg> monban: alsa is what the kernel uses so without it you get no sound period. Pulse uses alsa.
474 [03:36:13] <phogg> monban: that said you probably don't need alsa tools such as e.g. aplay or alsamixer.
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476 [03:37:04] <monban> that makes sense, thank you phogg
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592 [04:50:24] <likcoras> Hi, I use lvm on luks, and when I shut down using "systemctl poweroff" or "poweroff", it takes 20 seconds waiting for dm devices (or something along those lines), but "shutdown now" doesn't, and just shuts down immediately. Why is this happening?
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595 [04:51:46] <likcoras> While waiting., it displays the usual systemd message about waiting for job ... xx s/ 1 min 30s or tometimes unlimited, but always moves on after 20 seconds.
596 [04:52:12] <likcoras> And it's always almost exactly 20 seconds.
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601 [04:55:07] <ryouma> i am interested in the answer also
602 [04:55:40] <ryouma> although int he past it has taken forever and it was iompossible to shut down
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691 [05:51:08] <rhizome> monban: my understanding is alsa = sound, pulse = multiple sources
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694 [05:52:19] <dax> ALSA is the usual Linux kernel interface for receiving sound from userland and sending it to hardware. Pulseaudio is a userland daemon that receives sound from applications, optionally does magic to it, and sends it to ALSA
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697 [05:52:54] <dax> applications are often coded so that they can talk directly to ALSA; if you're using Pulseaudio that interface is shimmed so they go through PA instead
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699 [05:54:23] <dax> (reality is, as always, somewhat more complicated than that, but that's the basics)
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709 [06:01:14] <XeonSquared> If I'm doing virtualization, is any filesystem saner than any other? COW, not COW?
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718 [06:08:02] <Aeo> XeonSquared, what's your stack
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720 [06:08:25] <XeonSquared> I'm planning to throw Xen at it
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735 [06:21:27] <Aeo> XeonSquared, and this is for hypervisor
736 [06:21:33] <Aeo> do you have shared storage
737 [06:21:45] <Aeo> or an object store
738 [06:22:04] <XeonSquared> I have a bunch of big HDDs I'm, gonna use for a RAID array, which I'm going to put virtual HDDs onto
739 [06:22:26] <XeonSquared> don't mind the extra comma >.>
740 [06:23:28] <Aeo> ah, single machine. yeah that'll work. Don't use btrfs, purely for stability and some perf problems.
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742 [06:23:51] <Aeo> ext4/zfs work
743 [06:24:34] <XeonSquared> Alrighty, thanks.
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791 [07:14:38] <rdococ> how do I modify my keyboard layout? I would like to change a few keys e.g. AltGr+J t
792 [07:14:56] <Aeo> rdococ, what DE you running?
793 [07:15:05] <rdococ> MATE
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795 [07:15:07] <Aeo> or do you want to change your system locale
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797 [07:15:38] <Aeo> it's probably in the mate settings dialogue tree
798 [07:15:39] <rdococ> I'd just like to remap a few AltGr shortcuts, not change my locale.
799 [07:15:41] <rdococ> k
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803 [07:20:04] <rdococ> I can't find an option to remap a few keys.
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817 [07:31:50] <nkuttler> rdococ: i use xmodmap for that
818 [07:32:20] <nkuttler> what do you want altgr-j to do though?
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831 [07:40:18] <OtakuSenpai> hello
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833 [07:40:32] <OtakuSenpai> guys in regards to my yesterdays problem
834 [07:41:26] <OtakuSenpai> when i type the button for the comments symbol,i get ¨
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837 [07:42:12] <OtakuSenpai> but in gnome desktop when i change the locale from English(US,alternative english) to English(US)
838 [07:42:29] <OtakuSenpai> i get the normal symbol for the comments character
839 [07:43:10] <OtakuSenpai> i tried changing the locales,even setting the locales to english on my own,but it didnt stop
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841 [07:44:17] <OtakuSenpai> what can i do to make it be as a normal "
842 [07:45:11] <xormor> colours
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852 [07:55:12] <OtakuSenpai> guys??
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857 [07:59:40] <OtakuSenpai> anyone...
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862 [08:01:49] <OtakuSenpai> i3 is left unusable in my system due to ¨
863 [08:03:02] <OtakuSenpai> i3 is left unusable in my system due to ¨
864 [08:03:04] <OtakuSenpai> shit
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866 [08:04:23] <OtakuSenpai> replaced-url
867 [08:04:45] <OtakuSenpai> this is a image of my desktop with the two locales on the upper right
868 [08:05:03] <OtakuSenpai> any help would be greatly appreciated
869 [08:05:25] <___Adam> Hi! Latest nvidia-current-375.39 stops installing at "Building initial module for 4.9.0-2-amd64" and nothing.
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873 [08:06:07] <xpman> hi
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875 [08:06:37] <OtakuSenpai> even if there was a way to print " in terminal,while using the "normal" locale,i would be happy
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877 [08:07:50] <xpman> what?
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888 [08:15:34] <___Adam> nvm
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994 [09:33:46] <OtakuSenpai> guys pls
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996 [09:34:50] <Dan^> OtakuSenpai ?
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1013 [09:49:21] <someboy> Hi all.
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1015 [09:50:20] <someboy> when doing sudo apt-get update I get this error Some index files failed to download. They have been ignored, or old ones used instead.
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1052 [10:18:42] <celyr> someboy maybe you are using an outdated mirror
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1062 [10:22:12] <WEEDSMOKERLOL69> im so high on the reefer
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1064 [10:22:51] <WEEDSMOKERLOL69> !ops 420
1065 [10:22:51] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: weedsmokerlol69 complains about: 420
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1085 [10:40:06] <celyr> Is actually someone really using debian/kfreebsd ?
1086 [10:40:13] <celyr> or is it just a proff of concept ?
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1108 [10:52:04] <celyr> well it looks like it was a proff of concept XD
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1124 [10:58:19] <p3rror> Hello
1125 [10:58:27] <p3rror> I have an issue with dhclient
1126 [10:58:34] <p3rror> I can not get an offer from dhcp server
1127 [10:58:36] <p3rror> replaced-url
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1129 [10:59:04] <p3rror> I think that I the server does not receive my request
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1140 [11:06:12] <celyr> p3rror, if you configure a static ip is it working ?
1141 [11:06:21] <p3rror> nop
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1143 [11:06:31] <celyr> so there are network issues
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1145 [11:06:39] <celyr> physical network issues
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1147 [11:06:51] <p3rror> celyr: this is a vbox
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1149 [11:06:59] <p3rror> I create a bridged interface
1150 [11:07:07] <p3rror> and that is worked yesterday
1151 [11:07:10] <celyr> physical virtual network issues :P
1152 [11:07:21] <p3rror> =)
1153 [11:07:26] <celyr> what are you using as hypervisor ?
1154 [11:07:37] <p3rror> libvirt
1155 [11:07:46] <p3rror> I run a virtualbox
1156 [11:08:22] <p3rror> the host machine is a windows and the guest are debian, ubuntu, rhel
1157 [11:08:29] <celyr> sorry I have 0 experience on it :/
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1166 [11:09:26] <celyr> it's 100% a vm configuration issues anyway, try to play with it
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1169 [11:11:30] <wsraspberry> hello
1170 [11:11:49] <wsraspberry> is there a channel for raspberry pi
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1188 [11:20:16] <SuperSeriousCat> wsraspberry, /msg alis list raspberry
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1190 [11:20:48] <bazhang> for #raspbian go there
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1192 [11:22:09] <wsraspberry> thx
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1210 [11:30:00] <wsraspberry> #rootyourphone is my channel
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1213 [11:31:08] <bazhang> wsraspberry, ask on #freenode about namespace and your channel
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1215 [11:31:34] <wsraspberry> ok thx
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1245 [11:46:01] <avalchev> Hey, do you know any GUI application for managing local docker instances, instead of typing commands ?
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1253 [11:49:40] <Vagabondy> hello
1254 [11:50:11] <Vagabondy> why am i experiencing low hdd performance
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1256 [11:51:02] <bazhang> what specs
1257 [11:51:10] <bazhang> what is the rpm on the hdd
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1259 [11:51:23] <bazhang> and how full is it
1260 [11:51:43] <Vagabondy> RPM is 7200
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1262 [11:52:02] <bazhang> how full
1263 [11:52:05] <Vagabondy> It's quite ful, but that's not the issue. Since i moved to this new box i've been having this issue
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1265 [11:52:16] <Vagabondy> Previously the fullness didn't matter
1266 [11:52:24] <bazhang> full means slower
1267 [11:52:27] <Vagabondy> it's the mb i suspect
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1269 [11:52:34] <Vagabondy> not THAT slow
1270 [11:52:53] <Vagabondy> it's slow depending on the number of read/write processes
1271 [11:53:06] <Vagabondy> the more processes the slower.. but not in a normal way. I mean MUCH slower.
1272 [11:53:13] <bazhang> how full is full
1273 [11:53:16] <Vagabondy> no, not fullness and not fragmentation
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1275 [11:53:23] <spacebug^> not using DMA?
1276 [11:53:34] <Vagabondy> that's what i was suspecting, DMA. But i AM using it
1277 [11:53:39] <spacebug^> hum ok
1278 [11:53:40] <Vagabondy> or it's not working properly
1279 [11:53:56] <Vagabondy> even movies sometimes stutter cause of high read/write priority
1280 [11:54:14] <bazhang> what gig ram
1281 [11:54:15] <Vagabondy> quite honestly, i'm on win, this is not a linux related question, sorry.. but i just didn't know where else to go
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1283 [11:54:20] <Vagabondy> 8 gb
1284 [11:54:32] <bazhang> then ask ##windows
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1286 [11:54:32] <Vagabondy> memory doesn't matter, it used to be 4.. i added another 4 thinking it might help. Nope.
1287 [11:54:41] <Vagabondy> it's not a windows related issue either
1288 [11:54:50] <Vagabondy> doesn't look like it
1289 [11:54:53] <bazhang> it's not debian
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1291 [11:55:03] <Vagabondy> i thought maybe you know why specific hardware may be acting like this
1292 [11:55:06] <bazhang> you just stated you are on win
1293 [11:55:09] <spacebug^> Vagabondy: you coulr try Debian on it and see the performance. If it's better or same I mean
1294 [11:55:28] <bazhang> that or ##hardware
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1296 [11:55:37] <Vagabondy> true bazhang, but i'm asking a hardware related question, not linux or win, cause i'm sure it's not the OS issue
1297 [11:55:57] <Vagabondy> spacebug^, very good idea, and i've been thinking over it
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1299 [11:56:07] <Vagabondy> but i'm leaving it for the dessert so to speak
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1301 [11:56:45] <Vagabondy> --the
1302 [11:57:09] <Vagabondy> i guess it's the only thing left to do now
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1305 [11:57:34] <Vagabondy> and bazhang, full is like about 10 gb's is free
1306 [11:57:58] <Vagabondy> only like i said, it's not what causing it.. i used this hdd on another machine and fullness hardly impeded my work
1307 [11:58:06] <Vagabondy> not in the way i would notice at any rate
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1313 [11:58:38] <Vagabondy> but on this machine.. it DOES affect the performance and particularly on read & write operations
1314 [11:58:57] <Vagabondy> it seems like DMA isn't working properly or caching
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1316 [11:59:35] <Vagabondy> i've tested ram and hdd and there were no errors detected or any fail reports
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1318 [11:59:50] <Vagabondy> but i can see something's wrong
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1322 [12:00:12] <cruncher> Vagabondy, what is the problem with it?
1323 [12:00:12] <Vagabondy> Guess i got no choice but to use linux. Only i'm veeery reluctant to do that... anyway, thanks
1324 [12:00:19] <bazhang> Vagabondy, how is this a debian support issue
1325 [12:00:20] <Vagabondy> Slow hdd access.
1326 [12:00:26] <cruncher> not using debian?
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1328 [12:00:32] <cruncher> why this channel then? :D
1329 [12:00:33] <Vagabondy> bazhang, look, if you don't wanna help me then just nevermind
1330 [12:00:34] <bazhang> he's on win
1331 [12:00:46] <Vagabondy> ok, i will explain
1332 [12:00:49] <bazhang> Vagabondy, not how that works
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1335 [12:01:32] <bazhang> #debian-offtopic or ##hardware Vagabondy
1336 [12:01:49] <Vagabondy> i used this channel because i've tried the other ones and noone helped me. I thought i might ask on a linux channel cause people using linux are generally hardcore technicians and they might know what's causing my problem since i do not believe it's a windows related issue, not at this point i don't.
1337 [12:02:04] <Vagabondy> i've tried hardware, but will do debian-offtopic now, thanks
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1339 [12:02:12] <bazhang> np
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1343 [12:02:42] <jelly> actually, #debian-offtopic shuns ANY kind of support stuff
1344 [12:02:52] <jelly> bad bazhang!
1345 [12:02:57] <jelly> no cookie
1346 [12:03:04] <bazhang> mea culpa
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1385 [12:30:04] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
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1396 [12:33:27] <blackflow> howdy!
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1410 [12:40:34] <JyZyXEL> if you have multiple llvm versions installed, how do you select which one mesa uses for OpenGL?
1411 [12:40:52] <JyZyXEL> or does it automatically use the newest one?
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1447 [13:00:36] <b30wulf> how do i press enter in linux
1448 [13:00:55] <bazhang> b30wulf, enter what
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1451 [13:01:33] <b30wulf> thats what i was thinking
1452 [13:01:47] <bazhang> b30wulf, linux keyboard?
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1456 [13:03:17] <b30wulf> book says enter but i see no enter icon in linux
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1458 [13:03:30] <bazhang> what book
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1460 [13:04:00] <bazhang> b30wulf, what OS are you on now
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1464 [13:05:24] <b30wulf> it says debian
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1467 [13:05:56] <bazhang> b30wulf, please take a screenshot of your keyboard
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1470 [13:06:21] <b30wulf> but my keyboard is outside the computer
1471 [13:06:30] <bazhang> use a cellphone
1472 [13:06:36] <bazhang> then imgur
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1478 [13:08:05] <bazhang> b30wulf, are you using irc from that same computer
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1481 [13:08:24] <b30wulf> yah
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1483 [13:08:41] <bazhang> b30wulf, how do you send messages to this channel
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1489 [13:09:17] <b30wulf> that is confidential
1490 [13:09:30] <bazhang> b30wulf, whats the last key you hit
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1492 [13:09:35] <bazhang> thats the enter
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1496 [13:09:57] <blackflow> troll feeding friday, eh? :)
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1499 [13:10:05] <b30wulf> :)
1500 [13:10:10] <bazhang> friday the trollteenth
1501 [13:10:12] <b30wulf> ok it works now
1502 [13:10:19] <b30wulf> ty bazhang
1503 [13:10:25] <bazhang> np!
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1523 [13:21:07] <b30wulf> jelly you are a tight cunt
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1525 [13:21:29] <bazhang> b30wulf, thats uncalled for
1526 [13:21:43] <b30wulf> well fuck
1527 [13:21:57] <b30wulf> u get less work done with a rod up your ass
1528 [13:22:19] <slax0r> o.O
1529 [13:22:23] <b30wulf> :)
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1547 [13:35:53] <jelly> I'm taking that tight comment as a compliment
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1594 [14:02:54] <hanshenrik> i think i broke the system
1595 [14:02:56] <hanshenrik> replaced-url
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1598 [14:05:05] <abrotman> hit ctrl-alt-del ?
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1601 [14:09:11] <hanshenrik> wish i could, but already shut it down
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1670 [14:52:23] <__db__> Hi
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1675 [14:54:08] <__db__> Can anyone explain to me what package / configuration influences the existences of /dev/disk/by-path on a debian 8 up 2 date please ?
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1689 [15:02:27] <rudi_s> __db__: Should be udev, but I don't know the details.
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1738 [15:27:32] <thecha> is there any software in the debian repositories that can controll a usb webca to act like a surveilance cammera?
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1743 [15:28:41] <tjt263> thecha: i imagine there are plenty
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1746 [15:32:04] <ksk> tjt263: did you google? replaced-url
1747 [15:32:38] <thecha> ksk ty
1748 [15:32:43] <thecha> tjt263→ ty
1749 [15:32:44] <tjt263> thecha: ^
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1752 [15:33:55] <tjt263> thecha: i usually do something like apt-cache search webcam
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1754 [15:37:05] <tjt263> can someone please do cat /etc/network/interfaces and show me the output?
1755 [15:37:23] <tjt263> unless it's non-default
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1768 [15:40:41] <themill> tjt263: there is no default /etc/network/interfaces
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1771 [15:42:35] <BluesKaj> tjt263: are you looking for your new ethernet (eth0) name given by systemd?
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1773 [15:45:44] <BluesKaj> tjt263: if so do, ip route show
1774 [15:46:24] * BluesKaj better stop making assumptions
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1777 [15:48:44] <tjt263> can someone please do cat /etc/network/interfaces.conf and show me the output?
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1779 [15:48:50] <tjt263> i should have said ^
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1782 [15:49:31] <themill> tjt263: there is no such file. Perhaps you should ask your real question?
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1784 [15:49:55] <spacebug^> a normal user can't renice his/her own processes in Debian? Can one change that easily?
1785 [15:49:58] <tjt263> that is my real question
1786 [15:50:35] <themill> tjt263: «cat: /etc/network/interfaces.conf: No such file or directory» did that help?
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1788 [15:50:57] <themill> spacebug^: yes, but only downwards in priority
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1790 [15:51:08] <tjt263> yes, thanks
1791 [15:51:39] <spacebug^> themill: thats what I want. But when I try that as my normal user I get premission not allowed. Do I need to change something?
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1795 [15:52:44] <tjt263> why doesnt debian proper have that file by default?
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1798 [15:53:16] <themill> tjt263: there's an infinite number of filenames that Debian doesn't have
1799 [15:53:22] <BluesKaj> tjt263: drop the conf
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1801 [15:53:59] <themill> spacebug^: perhaps you can pastebin a command and some output for us?
1802 [15:54:02] <BluesKaj> it's ./etc/network/interfaces
1803 [15:54:16] <BluesKaj> tjt263: ^
1804 [15:54:23] <tjt263> doesnt really answer my question though. i thought usually there would at least be a few lines in there specifying the loopback interface, etc
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1806 [15:55:06] <themill> tjt263: not in that file, hence it not existing. Perhaps we can go back to your real question now?
1807 [15:55:12] <tjt263> BluesKaj: oh okay, is that absent by default ?
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1809 [15:55:19] <BluesKaj> yes
1810 [15:55:45] <spacebug^> themill: replaced-url
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1812 [15:57:05] <BluesKaj> tjt263: you might be thinking of /etc/resolv.conf which is also part of the networking setup
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1817 [16:01:55] <tjt263> themill: what real question? im not speaking in some kind of code, im speaking plainly
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1819 [16:02:23] <themill> tjt263: describe the problem and not what you (incorrectly) think the solution is
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1829 [16:06:10] <arone> TGTGIF ?
1830 [16:06:20] <tjt263> BluesKaj: nope, i was thinking of the first one, but thanks
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1834 [16:07:28] <spacebug^> themill: I was able to run virtualbox with "nice". Just not able to "renice" it. (It worked for forefox though)
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1836 [16:07:42] <themill> is it already niced?
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1839 [16:08:23] <BluesKaj> tjt263: yes, but whynot paste your /etc/network/interfaces file, so we can have a look at it
1840 [16:09:28] <BluesKaj> !paste
1841 [16:09:28] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: replaced-url
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1844 [16:10:14] <tjt263> why do you want to see that?
1845 [16:10:22] <tjt263> actually i dont even have that file
1846 [16:10:42] <spacebug^> themill: it was not. But since I could not change it, I tried to start it with another nice value instead and that worked
1847 [16:10:52] <themill> odd
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1850 [16:11:56] <themill> tjt263: this would all be so much easier if you actually described your problem.
1851 [16:12:00] <themill> !ask
1852 [16:12:00] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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1855 [16:12:15] * themill assumes now
1856 [16:12:17] <themill> t
1857 [16:15:32] <BluesKaj> tjt263: themill asked you a very legitimate question, which you won't answer...why not?
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1859 [16:15:38] <tjt263> BluesKaj: didnt you say it was absent by default?
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1861 [16:16:03] <BluesKaj> nope , just conf part, tjt263
1862 [16:16:05] <themill> tjt263: where "it" means what?
1863 [16:16:18] <jhutchins> BluesKaj: Looks like he's on stretch.
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1865 [16:16:48] <BluesKaj> so am I, and I have an interfaces file, jhutchins
1866 [16:17:19] <jhutchins> BluesKaj: Me too on jessie.
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1868 [16:18:22] <BluesKaj> exactly jhutchins. it's a deafult file on debian networking afaik
1869 [16:18:37] <BluesKaj> oops default even
1870 [16:18:43] <tjt263> themill: it=/etc/network/interfaces
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1873 [16:18:58] <tjt263> BluesKaj: okay, i thought you said the file didnt exist by default
1874 [16:19:00] <themill> tjt263: that file is highly like to exist but there is no default
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1876 [16:19:38] <BluesKaj> tjt263: i said /etc/network/intrefaces.conf doesn't exist
1877 [16:19:48] <themill> tjt263: this would all be so much easier if you actually described your problem.
1878 [16:20:04] <blackflow> does the bot have an entry on XY problems?
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1880 [16:20:06] <tjt263> so on a fresh install, will it be there
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1882 [16:20:15] <themill> tjt263: that depends
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1885 [16:21:08] <tjt263> BluesKaj: yeah i got that, i thought you said that about both
1886 [16:21:51] <tjt263> that's all
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1905 [16:30:07] <tjt263> themill: what does it depend on? BluesKaj seems to think it should be there by default
1906 [16:30:33] <tjt263> there is no problem, i just dont have that file
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1908 [16:31:16] <themill> So if there's no problem, why are you asking about it?
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1913 [16:33:23] <tjt263> if i ask a question, its because i want to know the answer, its as simple as that
1914 [16:33:39] <alex88> Hi there, I've this /etc/apt/preferences replaced-url
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1919 [16:34:13] <themill> tjt263: so far, you've asked "why doesn't /foo/quux/bar exist?" and the answer is "because it doesn't".
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1926 [16:35:47] <themill> alex88: can you pastebin "apt-cache policy nano; apt-cache policy" too?
1927 [16:36:33] <thereyougo> anyone knows IRC channel about installing debian on android ?
1928 [16:36:51] <tjt263> themill: i dont know what you want from me, man.
1929 [16:36:51] <tjt263> but BluesKaj mentioned it actually does exist
1930 [16:37:04] <alex88> themill: replaced-url
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1933 [16:38:16] <tjt263> mine is missing, i just wanted to know what the file looks like by default
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1935 [16:38:48] <zabow> tjt263, the default depends on how you installed your system
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1939 [16:40:47] <themill> alex88: I think there's a reasonable chance that the entire stanza is being ignored but it might be because raspbian is setting up their repos differently. (Please ask #raspbian for support)
1940 [16:41:08] <alex88> themill: ok thank you!
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1945 [16:42:34] <han-solo> and themill put away his gun :}
1946 [16:42:48] <tjt263> zabow: cool, so what part of the install process makes that difference
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1952 [16:44:01] <zabow> tjt263, what do you think? maybe when you choose your partitions? :)
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1957 [16:44:59] <tjt263> what difference does that make
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1992 [16:54:00] <citrik> Hi all! I bought a Lenovo Yoga 300 with a 32G internal HD. I'm trying to install GNU/Linux but I can not see the HD anywhere on /dev/. I tried to run gparted but I have no results.
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1996 [16:55:20] <spacebug^> citrik: are you booting using UEFI?
1997 [16:55:33] <citrik> not
1998 [16:55:39] <citrik> I'm on legacy bios
1999 [16:55:59] <spacebug^> and the disk is not used with UEFI?
2000 [16:55:59] <han-solo> themill: we had troll just hours ago :}
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2002 [16:56:35] <citrik> I disabled alll UEFI on bios and the Windows is running with no problem
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2007 [16:57:19] <citrik> Is some command to "scan" the hd devices on gnu/linux?
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2011 [16:58:06] <greycat> There are, but if your kernel doesn't support the type of controller that the "disk" is on....
2012 [16:58:23] <greycat> I'm struggling right now to dig up the name of that OTHER controller that is not SATA but is sometimes used for SSDs.
2013 [16:58:41] <spacebug^> citrik: could you try to enable UEFI and then boot to a live CD/USB in UEFI mode? just to see if the disk is found then?
2014 [16:58:45] <citrik> Not I'm running a Gentoo live kernel 4.916
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2016 [16:58:52] <greycat> I don't think it is a UEFI issue.
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2018 [16:59:06] <greycat> What kernel version is on that Gentoo live disk?
2019 [16:59:15] <citrik> 4.9.16
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2021 [16:59:37] <greycat> Huh, and even *that* one can't see it?
2022 [16:59:41] <citrik> I'll try to enable the uefi
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2024 [17:00:02] <greycat> Try "fdisk -l" and/or "lsblk" as generatl purpose what's-my-disk commands.
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2027 [17:00:59] <greycat> Ah, here it is! NVMe
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2029 [17:01:15] <greycat> The Linux NVMe driver is natively included in the kernel since version 3.3. NVMe devices should show up under /dev/nvme*.
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2032 [17:02:05] <citrik> fdisk -l: No results, ram, and the live usb
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2035 [17:02:32] <citrik> lsblk: same results
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2039 [17:02:47] <jhutchins> citrik: Why do you think the disk exists and is working?
2040 [17:03:00] <tjt263> citrik: try: cat /proc/partitions
2041 [17:03:13] <citrik> I have a oem windows 10 working
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2043 [17:03:34] <j4ckcom> how can i install python pip3?
2044 [17:03:39] <greycat> Can you get Windows to tell you what the disk is?
2045 [17:03:41] <tjt263> or check lsblk or blkid if they are available
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2047 [17:04:19] <tjt263> j4ckcom: i think with easy_install
2048 [17:04:43] <han-solo> apt-get install python3-pip?
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2050 [17:05:43] <citrik> On UEFI I can not boot from USB
2051 [17:05:56] <j4ckcom> thanks tjt263 and han-solo :)
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2059 [17:08:21] <spacebug^> someone else has issus with booting after install but installation worked replaced-url
2060 [17:08:36] <citrik> On Windows: Samsung BGND3R
2061 [17:09:35] <greycat> well, now google is telling me about something called "eMMC" which is new to me.
2062 [17:10:01] <citrik> replaced-url
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2064 [17:10:47] <citrik> replaced-url
2065 [17:11:00] <citrik> Poor supported on Linux
2066 [17:11:24] <greycat> 11:11 ->[dpkg] msgemmc
2067 [17:11:24] <greycat> 11:11 <-dpkg[~dpkg@unaffiliated/dpkg] are you using Windows?
2068 [17:11:47] <citrik> :(
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2071 [17:12:51] <han-solo> ha!
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2073 [17:13:41] <han-solo> dpkg uses some kind of xml, for pattern recognition, right? something like the ALICE project?
2074 [17:13:42] <dpkg> han-solo: You are person #1 to send an unparseable request
2075 [17:13:51] <citrik> I think I need to wait to the kernel hackers to run on it :)
2076 [17:13:52] <han-solo> who made dpkg?
2077 [17:13:56] <abrotman> han-solo: the bot, or the program?
2078 [17:14:04] <han-solo> the bot
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2080 [17:14:13] <abrotman> han-solo: blootbot or infobot, have fun with google
2081 [17:14:27] <han-solo> okay
2082 [17:14:35] <greycat> dpkg, no, ssd is <reply>Solid-State Drives are basically nonvolatile RAM chips used for long term storage. There are at least 3 types: SATA (no problem), NVMe (no problem since Linux 3.3), and eMMC (not yet supported). See also <ssd limit>
2083 [17:14:36] <dpkg> okay, greycat
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2085 [17:15:23] <blackflow> training the minions of skynet.
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2087 [17:16:04] <greycat> han-solo: I doubt it uses any kind of XML for any purpose
2088 [17:16:12] <han-solo> oh!
2089 [17:16:27] <citrik> thanks greycat
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2091 [17:16:33] <citrik> for the info
2092 [17:16:46] <han-solo> I was just playing with the ALICE project, so i thought...well, infobot uses perl
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2094 [17:16:51] <han-solo> THanks anyway
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2097 [17:17:08] <greycat> Yes, dpkg (blootbot fork of infobot) also uses perl.
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2101 [17:17:41] <greycat> !literal cmd: why is (.*?) not in testing
2102 [17:17:42] <dpkg> "cmd: why is (.*?) not in testing" is "($1): $1 is not in testing for the reasons listed in replaced-url
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2106 [17:18:13] <citrik> eMMD: replaced-url
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2108 [17:18:36] <greycat> That was one of my google hits too, but the PDF made me... not click.
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2110 [17:19:05] <greycat> Plus, "optimizing for performance" is pretty silly if the thing isn't being recognized in the first place.
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2134 [17:23:34] <citrik> Thanks all for the help!
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2182 [17:46:07] <thereyougo> I know its possible to install debian as a chroot environment on android, anyone knows if its possible to install it also on iphone ?
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2337 [18:46:01] <grzesiek> hello, after updating my system stretch I get exim4 problem
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2340 [18:46:44] <grzesiek> exim4 can't bind on IPv6 address
2341 [18:46:47] * greycat spins the wheel of errors and guesses: you disabled IPv6
2342 [18:46:50] <greycat> YAY! I win!
2343 [18:47:30] <grzesiek> change dc_local_interfaces=’127.0.0.1' in /etc/exim4/update-exim4.conf.conf help but it is normal?
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2348 [18:51:51] <greycat> Just like that guy who posted on debian-user about his exim problem, including that one time when he showed us that it was an IPv6 issue, and then after that he just keep reinstalling exim over and over and wondering why it didn't work.
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2350 [18:52:51] <Dagger> grzesiek: the normal thing to do is to not disable v6
2351 [18:53:14] <greycat> "But Dagger! That's too easy and sensible and sane! I can't possibly accept that answer!"
2352 [18:54:14] <CuSn> "But if the world wasn't made in 144 hours straight, my theology is wrong, so science isn't real"
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2356 [18:54:31] <setuid> What is wrong with this syntax? "preseed/file=/tmp/preseed.cfg "
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2358 [18:54:51] <setuid> Every time I boot with that kernel arg, it tells me it can't find the preseed, which does exist, is at that path, and is accessible
2359 [18:54:51] <Enrico_Menotti> Hello. I'm working on an embedded Debian system on an arm architecture. At present I'm configuring the keyboard. So I have been able to get xkb work, and change the symbols file related to my system. Now my problem is that there is a specific type defined for a modifier key. This type is defined in a file in the types dir. Now my problem is that it seems not to be read by xkb, so that this type does not become
2360 [18:54:52] <Enrico_Menotti> available.
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2362 [18:55:11] <setuid> Enrico_Menotti: tried xev?
2363 [18:55:12] <greycat> setuid: are you trying to run that in a shell? Shell variable names cannot contain slashes.
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2365 [18:55:30] <Enrico_Menotti> setuid What's that?
2366 [18:55:49] <setuid> greycat: it's in my packer .json file
2367 [18:55:59] <greycat> I know zero about "packer .json" files.
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2369 [18:56:34] <setuid> Yeah, ok... so it's run in a shell, but those values are passed to packer, so it shouldn't eat them, but I'll try escaping them
2370 [18:57:13] <Enrico_Menotti> setuid Ok, I have read about xev. If I understand it correctly, that's for a graphical environment. I'm instead on the console.
2371 [18:57:36] <setuid> Enrico_Menotti: Right, get the keycode with xev and then make sure it's mapped when you boot
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2374 [18:58:01] <setuid> I'm not suggesting you use xev on your embedded system, just that you use it as a tool to get the keycode
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2376 [18:59:12] <Enrico_Menotti> setuid I don't have the need to get the keycode. I need to get the specific type defined. It's called PC_FN_LEVEL2, and it's in a file /types/nokia.
2377 [18:59:16] <setuid> greycat: Is it possible file-based preseeds are deprecated, and only http is supported now?
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2379 [18:59:47] <greycat> I literally have no idea what you are talking about.
2380 [19:00:10] <setuid> greycat: replaced-url
2381 [19:00:56] <setuid> I can use that same exact URI in a browser and get to my preseed, so it is correct
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2397 [19:09:12] <setuid> n/m, I'm an idiot, the file path is rooted on the iso, not the host running the build.
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2401 [19:12:16] <julius_> hi
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2403 [19:12:48] <julius_> ive got a old gre tunnel interface that is shown by "ip link show" but not in use anymore. deleting it with: "ip link delete gre0" does nothig...the interface still shows and adding a new tunnel with: ip tunnel add $NET_NAME_WF mode gre remote "$IP_VPS" ttl 255 errors with: add tunnel "gre0" failed: File exists
2404 [19:13:15] <julius_> how do i get rid of that interface or create a new tunnel without rebooting?
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2407 [19:15:46] <han-solo> if <interface> down works?
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2410 [19:17:39] <julius_> if?
2411 [19:17:59] <julius_> if gets interpreted as the bash "if" if i type it
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2413 [19:18:27] <greycat> He probably meant either "ip" or "ifdown", though the syntax is quite wrong for the latter.
2414 [19:18:40] <sypher> And the former.
2415 [19:18:54] <han-solo> idown damn!
2416 [19:19:00] <han-solo> s/idown/ifdown
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2418 [19:19:18] <han-solo> le me check
2419 [19:19:49] <julius_> ifdown says unknown interface
2420 [19:20:10] <julius_> gre0@NONE: <NOARP> mtu 1476 qdisc noop state DOWN mode DEFAULT group default qlen 1
2421 [19:20:18] <julius_> ip link also says its down
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2429 [19:21:57] <deavmi> If I want to add new sources must I just add them to sources.list?
2430 [19:22:01] <deavmi> for apt
2431 [19:22:26] <greycat> either /etc/apt/sources.list or a new file in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/
2432 [19:22:27] <deavmi> As debian.saix.net (or whatever the one is for saix) is not working for me
2433 [19:22:39] <deavmi> greycat: I have an existing sources.list
2434 [19:23:06] <han-solo> make sure you do apt-get update :}
2435 [19:23:20] <deavmi> to get the new packages list yep will do
2436 [19:23:29] <deavmi> I can just disable the broken mirror with the #'s?
2437 [19:23:37] <deavmi> and then add the new source and then apt-ge6t update?
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2440 [19:24:09] <deavmi> Guess what
2441 [19:24:17] <deavmi> Just as I test out the machine now that mirror is working
2442 [19:24:22] <deavmi> Lol. But thanks for the help
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2446 [19:25:05] <han-solo> well, you should have first tried, "turning it off and on again", maybe :}
2447 [19:28:10] <deavmi> Yeah
2448 [19:28:25] <deavmi> It is a spotty host running debian vms
2449 [19:28:27] <deavmi> with wifi
2450 [19:28:30] <deavmi> in the garage....
2451 [19:28:37] <deavmi> old wifi adapter too XD
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2458 [19:31:36] <julius_> cables can be wonderfull for "servers"
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2463 [19:34:57] <deavmi> They can
2464 [19:35:08] <deavmi> I am just gonna get one of those wifi extenders
2465 [19:35:11] <deavmi> with ethernet
2466 [19:35:18] <deavmi> from TP Link
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2468 [19:35:49] <deavmi> So I do not have to rely and cr*p wifi adapters and also my switch and other devices can join my home network
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2477 [19:43:05] <deavmi> anyone doing anything interesting here?
2478 [19:43:08] <deavmi> With debian
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2480 [19:43:48] <hanshenrik> why is netcat listening on port 37031 , rather than port 8888, as i explicitly requested, here? replaced-url
2481 [19:43:59] <deavmi> netcat -p 2121
2482 [19:44:00] <deavmi> ?
2483 [19:44:07] <deavmi> Idk
2484 [19:44:15] <deavmi> netcat -l -p [meport]
2485 [19:44:28] <greycat> "This paste is password-protected."
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2487 [19:45:09] <hanshenrik> greycat, huh, no idea how that happened, anyway, replaced-url
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2490 [19:45:47] <hanshenrik> well, -l -p 8888 worked as expected
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2493 [19:46:02] <greycat> Yeah, was just about to type "you want -l -p 8888"
2494 [19:46:03] <hanshenrik> guess thats what i get for using testing? :p
2495 [19:46:16] <hanshenrik> uh, wasn't it just `-p 8888` in debian8?
2496 [19:46:17] <greycat> No, it's what you get for not reading "nc -h" :)
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2530 [20:05:16] <deavmi> ncat is like the better netcat :)
2531 [20:05:41] <han-solo> well, nc itself is better :}
2532 [20:05:44] <greycat> I hear good things about socat too.
2533 [20:05:46] <castilma> can someone explain, whey texinfo-doc-nonfree is nonfree?
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2535 [20:06:08] <greycat> Probably the GNU FDL
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2539 [20:07:05] <deavmi> socat can do bluetooth
2540 [20:07:08] <deavmi> Ik one of them can
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2542 [20:07:15] <deavmi> and ir
2543 [20:07:17] <deavmi> I think
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2545 [20:07:34] <castilma> greycat: thanks
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2548 [20:07:58] <han-solo> i sometimes use nc as an alternative to ftp :}
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2550 [20:08:06] <han-solo> *sometimes*
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2553 [20:08:38] <greycat> !gfdl
2554 [20:08:38] <dpkg> [gfdl] The GNU "Free" Documentation License, considered <non-free> by Debian in some cases. Read the discussion at replaced-url
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2586 [20:22:54] <Enrico_Menotti> I have a problem with my Debian installation on my laptop. Somewhat, a driver got broken. It's rt2x00usb, I think. I'd try to reinstall it. How to?
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2588 [20:23:12] <julius2> how do you know that a "driver" got broken?
2589 [20:23:18] <julius2> how do you break a driver?
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2591 [20:23:48] <julius2> assume that nobody else knows what you saw and what made you think that that is what happend. i would go even further, we cant see into your head
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2596 [20:26:19] <Enrico_Menotti> Ok, I will try to explain better.
2597 [20:26:41] <Enrico_Menotti> I have an external wifi card which is connected via usb.
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2602 [20:27:49] <jhutchins> Enrico_Menotti: Let's find out the chipset with lsusb
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2606 [20:29:43] <Enrico_Menotti> I don't have lsusb installed. I cannot install it since no wifi. From dmesg, I get: Chipset detected - rt: 2573, rf: 0002, rev: 000a.
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2611 [20:31:17] <Enrico_Menotti> When I insert the device and do an ifup wlan0, I get the following: rt2x00usb_vendor_request: Error - Vendor Request 0x07 failed for offset 0x3000 with error -71.
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2614 [20:34:06] <Enrico_Menotti> I'd try to reinstall the non-free firmware from the Debian cd, but I don't know how to.
2615 [20:35:00] <Enrico_Menotti> jhutchins Do these info allow some idea?
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2635 [20:45:37] <greycat> So I just noticed ~/.xsession-errors has gotten a bit large, full of google-chrome complaiing that it can't launch dbus-launch. Should I install dbus-x11 to shut it up?
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2637 [20:46:32] <han-solo> why do you use chrome?
2638 [20:46:40] <han-solo> it eats most of the RAM anyway :}
2639 [20:46:53] <greycat> because I'm not advanced enough to handle telnet as my primary web browser
2640 [20:47:00] <han-solo> :}
2641 [20:47:29] <han-solo> maybe there should be a new web browser
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2643 [20:48:12] <ThePortWhisperer> yo
2644 [20:48:37] <ThePortWhisperer> anyone have an idea why the following is taking a long time to run < grep -rli "brett" / 2>/dev/null >
2645 [20:49:00] <ThePortWhisperer> box is like 5 gb hd and that -l should speed it a lot
2646 [20:49:24] <greycat> I installed dbus-x11. We'll see if it makes things less noisy.
2647 [20:49:33] <han-solo> hmm
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2656 [20:53:17] <dankeast> so what's the security situation for stretch? i updated my laptop and it's fantastic... if i update my server and there's a dsa, does stretch get the patch?
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2660 [20:53:58] <greycat> !testing security
2661 [20:53:58] <dpkg> The testing release does not receive full security support until just before release. Up until that time, security updates can take a few days to arrive and will often be new upstream versions which may require you to spend significant time reconfiguring applications. Don't run 'testing' on things where good security support and stability are important. See <moving target>.
2662 [20:53:58] <dTal> greycat: couldn't you just make an empty script named "dbus-launch"? it can't complain it can't run it then :p
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2666 [20:55:12] <dankeast> are we "just before release" though? that bug list is doing pretty fast
2667 [20:55:45] <dankeast> s/doing/dropping/
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2692 [21:04:08] <SuperTramp83> Enrico_Menotti, sudo dpkg -i firmware-ralink
2693 [21:04:31] <SuperTramp83> But really a solution would be to get a decent dongle that doesn't require non-free firmware
2694 [21:05:05] <Enrico_Menotti> I also have some problems with my cd-rom. It is not read anymore.
2695 [21:05:19] <Enrico_Menotti> I fear the fastest solution would be re-installing the whole os.
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2697 [21:06:08] <SuperTramp83> Enrico_Menotti, sometimes the oldschool method is indeed the fastest and bestest, heh. It's up to you..
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2701 [21:08:29] <simbalion> I am presently using xfce4 as my wm, and I was thinking of installing krusader which needs a ton of kde libraries. is there any disadvantage to installing those packages? Is it going to reconfigure my desktop or something?
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2704 [21:08:54] <hanshenrik> .
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2709 [21:10:03] <towo`> SuperTramp83, there are not many recent devices out, which doesn't require non-free firmware
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2713 [21:12:26] <SuperTramp83> towo`, true. The 5xxx and 9xxx series of Atheros 802.11n chipset work fine with free software.
2714 [21:12:42] <SJ> anyone know
2715 [21:12:51] <SJ> how to install gns3 on kali linux?
2716 [21:13:05] <greycat> !kali
2717 [21:13:06] <dpkg> Kali Linux (replaced-url
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2722 [21:16:07] <SuperTramp83> Enrico_Menotti, this one you can get for like 10 bucks -> TP-Link TP-WN722N. Just make sure the chipset is Atheros AR9271. :)
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2725 [21:17:31] <Enrico_Menotti> SuperTramp83 Thank you, but I'm using Debian on an old pc. I will try to reinstall the whole thing again and if that fails, consider the option you proposed.
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2732 [21:21:05] <Enrico_Menotti> Ok, I have an issue. I have the disk partitioned (it's a shame on me, but I wanted to keep the old Windows partition there.) I'm trying to reinstall Debian on its partition. So when the installer proposes to partition the disk, I asked it to leave the disk alone. But now it's complaining that no root file system is defined. What may I do?
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2734 [21:21:35] <SuperTramp83> Enrico_Menotti, well, that's an external wifi usb dongle. Should work on any computer. yw
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2738 [21:24:13] <Enrico_Menotti> Should I first erase the Debian partition?
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2792 [21:49:30] <c0mrade> Anyone can volunteer helping in setting a complex web app, it's 90% done just publishing it seems to give me some trouble... I can provide remote access :P
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2794 [21:52:14] <mishehu> c0mrade: I doubt you'll get any takers. you might want to ask some specific questions OR offer up some money.
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2798 [21:54:12] <c0mrade> meshehu: People that do open source are all about helping I think? Maybe? :P
2799 [21:54:35] <vvor> what webapp's
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2803 [21:55:30] <c0mrade> replaced-url
2804 [21:55:36] <c0mrade> replaced-url
2805 [21:55:56] <vvor> c0mrade: what's to setup...
2806 [21:56:19] <c0mrade> You can check in the second link to get an overview.
2807 [21:56:27] <c0mrade> And the first link an overview of the setup process.
2808 [21:56:41] <c0mrade> I am trying to set it up on an amazon ec2 ubuntu instance.
2809 [21:57:11] <greycat> Not seeing the Debian question here.
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2811 [21:57:54] <petzup> how i connect to WIFI?
2812 [21:58:23] <vvor> Not seeing the Debian question here :)
2813 [21:58:43] <petzup> i am using Debian jessie
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2817 [22:00:10] <dutchfish> petzup, have you carefully read replaced-url
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2819 [22:01:14] <vvor> petzup: gui? desktop-manager?
2820 [22:01:41] <petzup> gui
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2822 [22:02:04] <petzup> i mean shell.. no gui
2823 [22:02:25] <vvor> c0mrade: where are you stuck?
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2825 [22:03:06] <c0mrade> vvor: Publishing the webside getting, 403 forbidding stuff.
2826 [22:03:19] <c0mrade> tried nginx, tried apache, modified configs, don't know what's the thing...
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2833 [22:06:16] <ikonia> c0mrade: you just said this was on ubuntu a few minutes ago
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2835 [22:06:33] <ikonia> 19:50 < c0mrade> Anyone can volunteer helping in setting a complex web app on an ubuntu server, it's 90% done
2836 [22:06:36] <ikonia> just publishing it seems to give me some trouble... I can provide remote access :P
2837 [22:06:40] <ikonia> what are you actually using - for real,
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2840 [22:07:17] <c0mrade> Right now apache2
2841 [22:07:40] <ikonia> no, thats not an os
2842 [22:07:43] <ikonia> what OS is this running on
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2844 [22:08:00] <c0mrade> ubuntu 16
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2846 [22:08:07] <ikonia> so why are you asking in #debian
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2848 [22:08:18] <ikonia> (and about 10 other channels)
2849 [22:08:24] <vvor> petzup: try nmcli d wifi connect MYSSID password 12345678 iface wlan0
2850 [22:08:46] <c0mrade> because regardless of the channel smart people could be in any of them.
2851 [22:08:57] <c0mrade> ikonia: Are you investigating me? :P
2852 [22:09:02] <ikonia> no
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2854 [22:09:13] <ikonia> this channel is #debian - it's for debian support not "please login to my ubuntu box and do my ubuntu work for me"
2855 [22:09:29] <c0mrade> It's not ubuntu related.
2856 [22:09:39] <c0mrade> It's linux and server management.
2857 [22:09:45] <greycat> Then go to ##linux.
2858 [22:09:49] <c0mrade> And you find those kind of people everywhere.
2859 [22:09:51] <ikonia> he's already there
2860 [22:09:59] <greycat> Then leave this channel.
2861 [22:10:00] <c0mrade> Well debian is a Linux distro so a debian expert would know as well.
2862 [22:10:00] <ikonia> debian
2863 [22:10:03] <ikonia> c0mrade: no, this channel is for DEBIAN
2864 [22:10:05] <ikonia> not linux, or ubuntu,
2865 [22:10:19] <c0mrade> Like I said, I might still find people who know stuff.
2866 [22:10:35] <ikonia> no, thats called spam
2867 [22:10:39] <ikonia> as I've told you in multiple other channels
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2869 [22:10:52] <ikonia> pick the channel that is related to your problem and ask a clear question
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2871 [22:11:03] <ikonia> this is not the channel you need
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2875 [22:11:55] <c0mrade> Might not be the channel, but I might find people that know stuff like I said, I mean a user that joins #debian or any other channel, he could be in #linux and other 100 channels including all linux distors so yeah.
2876 [22:12:46] <ikonia> c0mrade: you're posting offtopic spam
2877 [22:13:02] <ikonia> check the rules of the channel, this is not what this channel is for
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2879 [22:13:22] <c0mrade> I am trying to do what's best for me.
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2881 [22:13:36] <teraflops> also crossposting is rude
2882 [22:13:41] *** greycat sets mode: +q *!*@unaffiliated/c0mrade
2883 [22:14:02] <greycat> And we will do what is best for us.
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2887 [22:14:39] <user11> hi
2888 [22:14:54] <user11> where i can get debian wiki offline?
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2896 [22:17:00] <vvor> c0mrade: If you get stuck during the install process the most suitable place to seek help is the #lichess IRC channel on irc.freenode.org
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2939 [22:36:11] <petzup> how to set phyton script to run at boot?
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2943 [22:37:28] <greycat> Depends on how fancy you want to get. Simplest way, if it's a one-shot thing, is to start it from /etc/rc.local. More complex, write a systemd unit to manage it (restarting, logging, etc.)
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2988 [23:04:20] <expert975> I love Debian 9 <3
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2990 [23:04:38] <Cronus> how come
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3006 [23:11:35] <hanshenrik> Cronus, because dd has `status=progress` now
3007 [23:11:44] <LambdaComplex> I have a Debian VPS (with nginx), and I'd like to monitor network traffic/bandwidth usage and display the information as graphs/tables on a password-protected web page. Can anyone recommend the best way of doing this?
3008 [23:12:08] <Cronus> oo
3009 [23:12:17] <LambdaComplex> Seems like ntopng does the trick, but maybe someone will have a better suggestion
3010 [23:12:30] <Cronus> cacti, zabbix, nagios
3011 [23:13:32] <hanshenrik> Cronus, (also you can actually `apt install firefox-esr` now, and get something that actually manage to execute the majority of the javascript on the web)
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3013 [23:13:41] <hanshenrik> (and css3..)
3014 [23:14:04] <Cronus> dont get that, i only use debian as a server os
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3017 [23:14:51] <hanshenrik> well, you can install mariadb-server and be backed by the debian security team
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3020 [23:16:03] <Cronus> oh?
3021 [23:16:03] <vvor> LambdaComplex: collectd + influxdb + grafana
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3024 [23:16:26] <EvilMachine> Hi. Do I have to do something special, to allow logging in via SSH or serial console? Because in both cases, while logging in directly works, doing so via SSH or serial console fails with “invalid password”.
3025 [23:17:03] <yeehi_> Help! Qt - which package do I install to get Qt5? qt5-default?
3026 [23:17:14] <yeehi_> Is that sufficient?
3027 [23:17:16] <ksk> EvilMachine: do you try to login as root? I think root is not allowed to login via password (only key based) by default
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3029 [23:17:34] <EvilMachine> ksk: Both root and the normal user.
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3031 [23:17:56] <EvilMachine> ksk: Maybe one has to be in a special group? Or something?
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3034 [23:18:42] <LambdaComplex> vvor: well, google shows that's not an unheard of stack. what's the advantage of that method over an all-in-one solution like ntopng or the stuff Cronus mentioned?
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3042 [23:20:59] <vvor> LambdaComplex: collectd very lite and pushes.
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3045 [23:22:53] <vvor> LambdaComplex: You then get the data from influxdb and can add all belles and whistles.
3046 [23:23:32] <vvor> or not :)
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3049 [23:23:57] <`Kevin> vvor: have you made use of bosun yet?
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3051 [23:25:34] <`Kevin> actually not sure if it fully supports influx yet
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3054 [23:26:56] <vvor> `Kevin: No did not have a chance yet.
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