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34 [00:20:18] <quiliro> hello
35 [00:21:41] <quiliro> i would like to switch to debian because it is a stable distro and it is possible to use it without nonfree parts if you are careful....i would prefer trisquel...but i do not see stability in it
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37 [00:22:17] <quiliro> i just need to know if there is a full screen magnifier for mate
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47 [00:27:07] <acheron-a> if i download the 3 ISO DVDs to install Debian, can i put one DVD each on a USB stick or it possible to put all 3 on a 16 GB UDB drive?
48 [00:27:23] <acheron-a> USB drive i meant
49 [00:27:48] <dvs> acheron-a, if you had a 32GB USB drive, you could download the BD iso image.
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51 [00:28:08] <acheron-a> oh, great! thanks so much!
52 [00:28:32] <dvs> yw
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55 [00:29:59] <zykotick9> acheron-a: note, updates happen - unless your "use case" is an offline machine - downloading the BD or DVD ISO _might_ be a waste of bandwidth? ymmv.
56 [00:30:38] <zykotick9> s/DVD ISO/DVD ISOs/
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67 [00:35:56] <enza> ciao
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72 [00:37:37] <quiliro> any full screen magnifier for a lightweight desktop?
73 [00:38:19] <ryouma> quiliro: no good one that moves around properly like compiz or osx, but there are several magnifiers
74 [00:38:22] <ryouma> in debian
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78 [00:40:02] * zykotick9 was shocked to see compiz is making a return to debian stretch :|
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82 [00:46:05] <ryouma> ooh! except if you want the zoom you have to buy the entire wm
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84 [00:46:23] <ryouma> unless anybody separated out hte zoom?
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91 [00:51:48] <quiliro> ryouma: what magnifier can do full-screen?
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94 [00:52:46] <ryouma> quiliro: i can only assume that you mean zooming in on a full screen, to get part of it on a full screen?
95 [00:52:59] <ryouma> quiliro: my guess would be just compiz (which is a wm) and osx (which is an os) :/
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97 [00:53:13] <ryouma> i tried all of the debian magnifiers on jessie
98 [00:53:20] <ryouma> they all have windows
99 [00:54:45] <zykotick9> when I hear "zoom full screen" i think, lower your resolution?!?
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101 [00:55:34] <ryouma> aha -- quiliro you can use xrandr to do quarter resolution
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103 [00:55:50] <ryouma> quiliro: or you can use it to increase dpi -- i use a dpi of 216
104 [00:56:00] <ryouma> xrandr --dpi 216
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106 [00:57:32] <ryouma> most, but not all, applications correctly respect that as a scaling factor
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115 [01:08:10] <quiliro> ryouma: i will test...thank you
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117 [01:09:20] <quiliro> i need the whole screen to be ocupied by the magnifier
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119 [01:10:08] <quiliro> perhaps a virtual desktop is better so it is more resolution that the screen itself
120 [01:10:27] <quiliro> that would be easy on the video card
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133 [01:21:58] <ryouma> quiliro: there are "viewports" or similar concepts in which what you see is part of the whole thing, but that doe snot zoom anything
134 [01:22:30] <ryouma> afaik
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173 [01:55:55] <disaster__> Hi i look for a way to push log from php-fpm chroot pool to syslog. I try to add dev/log (with $AddUnixListenSocket /var/replaced-url
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222 [02:37:23] <Logg> Anyone know if you can install Windows 10 ON a cd? I have some NTFS drives I want to mount in debian, but they're in that "unsafe state" windows does to make itself boot faster.
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233 [02:47:29] <harindu> Then turn off the quick boot option
234 [02:47:54] <solrize> hi i know there's no stretch release schedule, but historically when a past release has reached freeze, how much longer has it taken to reach general stable release? (i.e. that's a question about the past, not the unpredictable future)
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240 [02:50:44] <bogo_> Hello? anyone here?
241 [02:50:56] <bogo_> I want to try replaced-url
242 [02:51:03] <bogo_> but this is not for debian
243 [02:51:21] <bogo_> any thoughts?
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245 [02:52:13] <Voldenet> bogo_: I'm logging in to debian via ssh with a key.
246 [02:52:30] <bogo_> OK how did you do it?
247 [02:52:56] <bogo_> do you have a guide?
248 [02:53:05] <Voldenet> Hm, I just set up a regular ssh key with ssh-keygen
249 [02:53:24] <Voldenet> and then converted a key with puttygen
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251 [02:53:48] <Voldenet> cba to explain, but replaced-url
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253 [02:54:52] <bogo_> OK well I want to do this as it is nice and painless but cant find a good guide to do it
254 [02:55:04] <bogo_> BTW is debian 9 out? or still beta?
255 [02:56:04] <Voldenet> It's not out yet, It will be when it's ready. :)
256 [02:56:10] <themill> there is no beta
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261 [02:58:19] <Voldenet> bogo_: you need no 'guide' for it, just set up a ssh key like you normally would and then make putty work with it
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265 [03:00:25] <Eryn_1983_FL> hi peeps is there a replacement for usbmount package in strech? or is systemd doing that now too?
266 [03:00:37] <Voldenet> bogo_: in puttygen use conversions -> import key to import a private key
267 [03:00:38] <bogo_> replaced-url
268 [03:00:54] <bogo_> is that a good setup?
269 [03:02:08] <Voldenet> Hm, I've never used that. I use 'plain, old way' of ssh-keygen
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271 [03:03:22] <Voldenet> Wait a sec, just read it... it's not solving your problem.
272 [03:03:46] <Voldenet> Because you're not running ssh-agent and you'll be using putty instead.
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274 [03:04:33] <bogo_> OK running puttykey
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276 [03:07:31] <bogo_> OK I have public and private key now
277 [03:07:36] <bogo_> where do I put them in?
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280 [03:10:19] <bogo_> it says ~/.ssh/authorized_keys but it says error writing to
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282 [03:10:46] <Voldenet> eh ~/.ssh/authorized_keys, but the format is different
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285 [03:11:28] <bogo_> OK so not nano for an editor?
286 [03:11:37] <Voldenet> Wut.
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288 [03:11:59] <Voldenet> Eh, nano should be fine. Just make sure you have .ssh directory first
289 [03:12:01] <bogo_> to edit the file
290 [03:12:03] <Voldenet> nano won't do this for you
291 [03:12:08] <bogo_> ah
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294 [03:14:13] <bogo_> lol
295 [03:14:22] <bogo_> OK I saved the file
296 [03:14:55] <bogo_> do I restart ssh
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298 [03:15:14] <Voldenet> nah, it should /just work/
299 [03:15:20] <Voldenet> or it will tell you "invalid key"
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301 [03:15:55] <Voldenet> or rather "Server refused our key"
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303 [03:16:03] <bogo_> OK here we go
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308 [03:17:18] <bogo_> yep all good
309 [03:17:21] <bogo_> thanks
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314 [03:20:27] <plasm0duck> Can i take mu chances merging a non LVM drive with free space?
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322 [03:26:31] <themill> Eryn_1983_FL: usbmount is a largely broken design that doesn't work in jessie either for some use cases. (e.g. #774149). udisks2 is the normal replacement.
323 [03:26:32] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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332 [03:30:07] <Eryn_1983_FL> ok TY
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341 [03:38:20] <Eryn_1983_FL> ughhhh
342 [03:38:28] <Eryn_1983_FL> thats even more ugly then usbmount
343 [03:38:38] <Eryn_1983_FL> i got to have freaking wrappers and more code? :(
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366 [04:06:39] <phogg> Eryn_1983_FL: maybe there's an existing wrapper that makes things nicer for you
367 [04:10:49] <disaster__> Hi i look for a way to push log from php-fpm chroot pool to syslog. I try to add dev/log (with $AddUnixListenSocket /var/replaced-url
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409 [04:42:29] <SpeakFreely> Hello, I am trying to use systemctl edit but it says edit is an unknown operation, why is this? (jessie)
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418 [04:48:34] <ChmEarl> SpeakFreely, you need systemd 219+
419 [04:49:13] <ChmEarl> jessie has 215
420 [04:49:13] <SpeakFreely> ChmEarl: Is it safe to upgrade that on my box, since it isn't in the default repository?
421 [04:49:28] <ChmEarl> try jessie-backports
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423 [04:51:42] <ChmEarl> replaced-url
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425 [04:52:08] <SpeakFreely> ChmEarl: Do I do that bu just adding jessie-backports to the deb and deb-src of ftp.us.debian.org? Or do I need to make a new line with that? I currently have one with jessie main contrib and one with jessie-updates
426 [04:52:37] <ChmEarl> replaced-url
427 [04:52:57] <ChmEarl> meant to post the stub, not the whole thing
428 [04:53:15] <ChmEarl> replaced-url
429 [04:53:57] <SpeakFreely> ChmEarl: thanks
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432 [04:54:34] <SpeakFreely> ChmEarl: do I do install or upgrade in apt-get?
433 [04:55:15] <ChmEarl> install is fine
434 [04:55:39] <SpeakFreely> ChmEarl: cool, thanks :)
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478 [05:38:17] <plasmoduck> I have a question, I want to move steam and all it's games over to a new ext4 partition I created. How can I do this?
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481 [05:40:53] <plasmoduck> I'm thinking move the Steam folder over to the new drive, then symlink it to ~/.local/share/Steam ?
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491 [05:46:59] <somiaj> plasmoduck: you can do that, you might be able to just tell change the settings in steam and change the game dir, and then just move the games part.
492 [05:47:21] <plasmoduck> thanks
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522 [06:02:53] <plasmoduck> what do I have to put in my fstab if I want to mount /dev/sda1 on boot? It's ext4
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557 [06:36:28] <casawi> please come installare driver nvidia su debian
558 [06:37:04] <Devastator> !nvidia
559 [06:37:04] <dpkg> Where possible, Nvidia graphic processing units are supported using the open source <nouveau> driver on Debian systems by default. To install the proprietary "nvidia" driver, see replaced-url
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561 [06:40:18] <dpkg> You are person #1 to send an unparseable request, casawi
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563 [06:42:46] <casawi> dpkg I followed the guide on site to install debian nvidia driver however when we reboot Facio only black screen
564 [06:42:46] <dpkg> casawi: You are person #2 to send an unparseable request
565 [06:43:13] <Devastator> casawi dpkg is a bot, not a person
566 [06:43:47] <Devastator> casawi if you prefer, there is #debian-es for spanish speakers
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568 [06:43:54] <casawi> devastator please install nvidia su debian
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575 [06:51:10] <random_numbers> Is /close
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578 [06:51:29] <kion> I bought a laptop with integrated Intel graphics and a dedicated nvidia card, How does Debian manage two card laptops?
579 [06:51:50] <kion> right now it works fine but it is not using the nvidia card
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596 [07:07:03] <Hood> a little off-topic, I am a teacher and I want to make my pupils do the tests with an online tool so the results get recorded from their computers with no "pen and papaer" work, which irc channel should I go?
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601 [07:16:28] <nkuttler> Hood: online tools sounds like you want to learn html, css, and some programming language
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603 [07:16:52] <Hood> nkuttler, mm thanks, I don't ant to develop it, just use it
604 [07:17:09] <nkuttler> ah, i see, i don't know about that
605 [07:17:47] <Hood> nkuttler, I am busy wnoguh preparing my lectures and eaching them so as to get into developing a test tool myself
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628 [07:37:15] <themill> Hood: #moodle exists but tends to be more developers and not active on weekends. (Any of these systems tends to be pretty complicated to set up btw)
629 [07:39:46] <Hood> themill, t ahnsk, I was thiking of something lighter than a moodle, maybe a standalone application
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631 [07:41:55] <acresearch> people, I am having a strange bug in debian 8.7 i am using openconnect to connect to a cisco VPN,,, 20 seconds after connecting the internet stops responding (completely), once i sever the connection the internet comes back,,,, WHAT is going on?? how can i fix it?
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633 [07:42:25] <themill> Hood: you could probably pull it off with a google form or a surveymonkey like thing.
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647 [07:50:45] <Dreaman> tc
648 [07:50:56] <Dreaman> ./j #linux
649 [07:51:15] <Dreaman> not point :)
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655 [07:54:24] <acresearch> Dreaman: i know, was typing mistake haha
656 [07:54:52] <r__rios> Hello, all. I have a little problem: I just installed Debian without setting a root password. I thought the password would then be considered to be blank, but, if I enter no password when entering the su command, I get an authentication failure. Help?
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658 [07:55:09] <r__rios> I used the graphical installer
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660 [07:55:15] <Dreaman> ok
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664 [07:58:11] <acheron-a> was finally able to get debian live to boot in UEFI but now it hangs at ipv6 but my isp does not support it
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666 [07:58:34] <acheron-a> any way to get past that hang? tried s and cntl+q
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669 [07:59:32] <acresearch> people, I am having a strange bug in debian 8.7 i am using openconnect to connect to a cisco VPN,,, 20 seconds after connecting the internet stops responding (completely), once i sever the connection the internet comes back,,,, WHAT is going on?? how can i fix it?
670 [08:00:21] <acheron-a> why is debian tha ONLY i can't try in live USB on a modern computer???
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673 [08:01:00] <acheron-a> i guess that why people go for mint and ubuntu
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677 [08:04:28] <r__rios> acheron-a: You can't?
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679 [08:04:39] <r__rios> Oh nevermind, they left
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695 [08:11:28] <VentGrey> Hello, any experienced MATE desktop users?
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697 [08:13:07] <themill> r__rios: no root password means that the installer adds your user to the sudo group and so you use sud
698 [08:13:08] <themill> o
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700 [08:15:36] <acresearch1> does debian have an anti backdoor or anti hacking thing that prevents VPNs from working?
701 [08:19:20] <VentGrey> ?
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704 [08:20:32] <acresearch1> VentGrey: when i open a VPN my internet stops working, when i close it the internet immidiatly comes back
705 [08:20:45] <themill> sounds like a routing problem
706 [08:20:59] <VentGrey> pretty much
707 [08:21:06] <acresearch1> themill: where can i go to fix it, the VPN service worked well with ubuntu
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710 [08:21:26] <VentGrey> Did you have any added packages in buntu?
711 [08:21:32] <VentGrey> like the openVPN one?
712 [08:21:42] <themill> most likely it's the local config that needs fixing
713 [08:21:43] <acresearch1> VentGrey: nope, i used openconnect, nothing added
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715 [08:21:57] <themill> setting the default route through a VPN that doesn't want you to do that would lead to exactly that sort of symptom
716 [08:22:08] <acresearch1> themill: oh
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718 [08:22:29] <acresearch1> themill: ok let me just explain in more detail so you can help me better:
719 [08:22:35] <VentGrey> please
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722 [08:23:09] <VentGrey> :'v also, just for asking, does anyone know how to save multiple custom panels in mate tweak?
723 [08:23:13] <acresearch1> themill: VentGrey i use su, enter password, then (openconnect xxx.xxx.xxx.x) the IP address
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727 [08:24:05] <acresearch1> themill: VentGrey i get successfull connection, for 20 seconds, then internet freeses
728 [08:24:21] <VentGrey> Ill try to reproduce the problem
729 [08:24:26] <acresearch1> themill: VentGrey all internet, not just through VPN
730 [08:24:29] <acresearch1> VentGrey: ok
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732 [08:24:45] <VentGrey> did you download it from the official Debian Repositories? or did you use the tarball?
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735 [08:25:11] * themill knows nothing about openconnect (other than to run away
736 [08:25:28] <acresearch1> VentGrey: i downloaded from apt-get
737 [08:26:09] <acresearch1> VentGrey: i am new to debian (installed it yesterday), so i did exactly what i was doing in ubuntu
738 [08:27:06] <VentGrey> Problem is Debian is not like ubuntu :c, ubuntu comes with pre-made config files, here in Debian you must manually do much
739 [08:28:22] <VentGrey> mm weird, my internet does not freeze but i get an error, mostly a "Failed TLS connection: Invalid certificate"
740 [08:28:23] <acresearch1> VentGrey: i know, and i am learning how to do things. i think i learned so far everything i need for my work (except using the VPN) my last obsticle
741 [08:29:20] <acresearch1> VentGrey: is there something i can monitor and paste to you, so you can see what my errors are?
742 [08:29:32] <VentGrey> pastebin
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746 [08:30:02] <acresearch1> VentGrey: yes i mean a command on the terminal to monitor the internet connect and what causes it to freeze?
747 [08:30:11] <VentGrey> just censor the IP please, it involves someone's security
748 [08:30:19] <acresearch1> VentGrey: OK
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752 [08:32:11] <acresearch1> VentGrey: someone told me to use ifconfig to monitor the connection, but there is no ifconfig in debian right?
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758 [08:32:42] <Aeo> sup
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761 [08:33:52] <Aeo> I'm having an issue with kvm/qemu/libvirt in how it handles bridge networking. Usually for the default interface it sets up tons of iptables rules, but I can do most of the functionalyity I need w/ dnsmasq
762 [08:34:10] <VentGrey> just one command, im honest i don't know but you can try and use multiple like traceroute, or you can try journalctl -u NetworkManager to see the logs
763 [08:34:10] <Aeo> i can't figure out how to configure dnsmasq to do this tho
764 [08:34:19] <Aeo> would appreciate thoughts
765 [08:35:02] <VentGrey> @acresearch1 There is "ifconfig"on Debian try running as root and if it does not work maybe it's not installed
766 [08:35:33] <acresearch1> VentGrey: i did, i tried also apt-get install but i get package not found (i made sure of the spelling) :-)
767 [08:35:49] <acresearch1> VentGrey: wait
768 [08:35:59] <acresearch1> its ok i got ifconfig
769 [08:36:02] <acresearch1> VentGrey: sorry
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771 [08:36:13] <acresearch1> VentGrey: ok what should i bee looking for?
772 [08:36:58] <VentGrey> ifconfig is part of the net-tools package but it is deprecated (maybe because its old)
773 [08:37:22] <VentGrey> you could install it but i reccommend using "ip addr show"
774 [08:37:31] <acresearch1> VentGrey: ok 1 moment
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777 [08:39:10] <r__rios> Thanks themill
778 [08:39:42] <VentGrey> still pretty new to hexchat XD idk how to respond to users
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780 [08:41:08] <Aeo> tab complete
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782 [08:42:43] <Dreaman> VentGrey /dialog user
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789 [08:46:40] <VentGrey> Dreaman, Seems legit
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796 [08:57:58] <tjt263> hey, how can i display the drivers used by my USB peripherals?
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806 [09:02:55] <VentGrey> lsusb?
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820 [09:16:44] <JuPaname> hi
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829 [09:24:21] <acresearch> .
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963 [11:34:33] <thecha> hi i added two entries for an external usb hdd to ount at startup in my debian, now it wont start, if i comment out the entries it starts , is there a service or something that i need to restart to apply the changes before i reboot? sudo reboot didnt work and lead to not being able to boot again
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968 [11:38:07] <towo`> thecha, as long, as you don't provide your entries, no one can help you
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1007 [12:05:17] <thecha> towo`→ may i provide my entries as a paste to paste bin?
1008 [12:05:43] <towo`> sore, how else?
1009 [12:05:46] <towo`> *sure
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1014 [12:09:20] <thecha> sorry my browser wont permit some shady pastebin scripts, here the line in question: /dev/sba1 /media ntfs-3g default, uid=33,gid=33,umask=027
1015 [12:09:55] <thecha> towo i have another second entry which is just the partition two (sba2) and everthing else is the same just another gid and uid (1000)
1016 [12:10:02] <thecha> towo`
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1018 [12:10:52] <towo`> /dev/sba1 is not a device
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1021 [12:11:17] <towo`> /media is not a good idea as mountpoint
1022 [12:11:29] <towo`> you should realy read the manpages for fstab
1023 [12:11:31] <thecha> sorry it was sda ( typo)
1024 [12:11:39] <thecha> ty
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1026 [12:11:50] <themill> hence using a pastebin like paste.debian.net
1027 [12:12:11] <thecha> themill→ ty
1028 [12:12:19] <awayand> ha
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1030 [12:12:39] <thecha> towo`→ i didnt knwo there wer man pages for config files liek that
1031 [12:12:40] <han-solo> towo`: why is it a bad idea?
1032 [12:12:44] <thecha> thanks i am gonna just read that
1033 [12:12:57] <towo`> han-solo, kidding?
1034 [12:13:01] <themill> section 5 of the manual is file formats
1035 [12:13:12] <han-solo> no
1036 [12:13:17] <towo`> han-solo, in /media are subfolders for auto mounted media
1037 [12:13:30] <thecha> it's<200 lines i am jsut gonna read the tnire thing
1038 [12:13:34] <thecha> :D thanks friends
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1042 [12:14:04] <teraflops> thecha: that's the spirit!
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1046 [12:15:03] <thecha> teraflops→ :D
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1080 [12:35:53] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
1081 [12:36:56] <blackflow> morning.
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1141 [13:13:04] <Leonardo-1> Hi, everyone, I have a problem that needs to be solved. How to make shadowsocks global proxy? Do not use proxifier, proxycap and other software, because they have no effect on some software, and the efficiency is very low.
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1145 [13:15:28] <Orbstheorem> Hello, I was working in a text file which I've been working on for 2 days and store on /tmp, my computer just abnormally power off and I would like to retrieve that file. I cannot boot a live as I don't have any boot media. Is there anyway to prevent the system from deleting the file?
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1152 [13:19:07] <petn-randall> Orbstheorem: You could try booting with init=/bin/bash.
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1160 [13:22:09] <Orbstheorem> How I didn't think about that! Thanks!
1161 [13:22:43] <CrazyTux> why has Debian not made efforts to present itself as a beginner friendly, out of the box distro? like Mint.
1162 [13:25:43] <blackflow> need to define "beginner friendly".
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1166 [13:27:26] <CrazyTux> I meant, like Mint or Ubuntu
1167 [13:27:52] <blackflow> still need to define what "beginner friendly" actually means. I find Debian very easy to use, if "ease of use" is definition of it.
1168 [13:27:54] <CrazyTux> Really like the stability of Debian.
1169 [13:28:08] <CrazyTux> yes. ease of use.
1170 [13:28:37] <blackflow> there's a lot of choice in the gnu/linux ecosystem and that is very unfriendly for people with zero experience with it, they wouldn't know where to start. for that, starting with a distro that assumes a lot and preconfigures a lot, like Ubuntu, is the best choice, leaving power-use distros like Debian a solid, minimalist base one can rely on when experience is accrued.
1171 [13:28:46] <CrazyTux> what should I do if I want the latest version of a package in Debian.
1172 [13:29:29] <CrazyTux> blackflow, I totally agree with you.
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1211 [13:57:46] <abff> CrazyTux run sid
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1229 [14:07:05] <at0m> dpkg: tell abff about backports
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1234 [14:10:25] <abff> at0m backports come from testing, right? testing is frozen right now, missing CrazyTux was curious about the latest.
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1239 [14:13:56] <Iridos> he was already gone
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1241 [14:14:24] <Iridos> and the answer would have been … if you want the very latest, then compile and install yourself outside the package system in /usr/local/ in some way you see fit
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1261 [14:28:34] <question> hello
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1264 [14:29:04] <question> I was wondering if I could ask a question about creating a custom linux distribution like just browsing
1265 [14:29:22] <question> something more than puppy linux but more uptodate than justbrowsing cd
1266 [14:29:30] <question> I tried suse studio but the website is down
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1274 [14:33:58] <sn0wmonster> i'm making a startup script for my debian7 box and i'd like to make it run a program as a specific user
1275 [14:34:04] <sn0wmonster> how do i do that?
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1277 [14:34:56] <sn0wmonster> and do i need to include the password of that user if i run a progrma as that user? even if i'm not running as root?
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1282 [14:39:33] <blackflow> sn0wmonster: iirc, start-stop-daemon specifies -u and -g, check the manpage it's been a while since I looked at sysvinit
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1288 [14:44:24] <Enrico_Menotti> Hello. I have cross-debootstrapped Debian for an ARM architecture, working on an Intel PC running Debian. Now I'm trying to add some packages to the new filesystem. I used chroot into that filesystem. Then apt-get install <package>. In particular, I need acpid. When the system tries to configure it, I get "Cannot open netlink socket: Address family not supported by protocol". Any idea?
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1301 [14:51:23] <acresearch> hello people. i am having problems with VPN on debian, VPN works excellent, but the internet freezes (but everything works through the VPN), when the vpn is stoppe the internet return immidiatly. I am using openconnect and cisco's encryption. Can anyone help me please?
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1304 [14:54:38] <rootkea> Hello! How one can add text/modify text printed on `./configure --help`?
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1309 [14:58:58] <Eryn_1983_FL> hey peeps
1310 [14:59:07] <acresearch> Hello71: Eryn_1983_FL
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1312 [14:59:25] <Eryn_1983_FL> is it ok if i drop a MAILTO=user1@nowhere.org,user2@somewhere.org into cron.weekly files stupid apps are sending to wrong addres and making mailgun angry yellow
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1314 [14:59:42] <Eryn_1983_FL> i use ssmtp so its sending to the postmaster there..
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1316 [15:00:04] <petn-randall> Eryn_1983_FL: Usually you fix your /etc/aliases to redirect it to the right place.
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1318 [15:00:40] <Eryn_1983_FL> oh ok
1319 [15:01:08] <Eryn_1983_FL> ok.. can i put addresses in there?
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1323 [15:03:05] <martin3> hi. installing linux in vm. how many processors and how many cores per cpu should i give to vm? i have 4790k, i won't be doing anything resource intensive on host and vm at the same time
1324 [15:03:20] <martin3> 4 physical cores, 8 with hyperthreading
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1329 [15:06:23] <dvs> martin3, I'd give 1 CPU and 2 cores.
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1338 [15:11:32] <Eryn_1983_FL> petn-randall: can i put soemthing@nothing.com?
1339 [15:12:01] <petn-randall> Eryn_1983_FL: Is nothing.com registered on your name?
1340 [15:12:20] <Eryn_1983_FL> its an example petn-randall
1341 [15:12:29] <Eryn_1983_FL> or something@gmail.com
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1345 [15:15:02] <blackflow> Eryn_1983_FL: for ssmtp you need revaliases
1346 [15:15:08] <acresearch> hello people. i am having problems with VPN on debian, VPN works excellent, but the internet freezes (but everything works through the VPN), when the vpn is stoppe the internet return immidiatly. I am using openconnect and cisco's encryption. Can anyone help me please?
1347 [15:15:34] <blackflow> Eryn_1983_FL: I don't remember the actual path on Debian but something along the lines of /etc/ssmtp/revaliases
1348 [15:16:30] <sypher> acresearch: Your VPN is directing all of your traffic through the tunnel, rather than only the networks that lie on the other side of the VPN. The remote end may not be allowing traffic that comes through the VPN to be routed to the internet. This is a large problem space and will likely require more resources to resolve than this channel can provide.
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1351 [15:17:26] <acresearch> but sypher the exact same setup worked perfectly in ubuntu, what is different in debian?
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1354 [15:19:00] <sypher> acresearch: I have no idea what differences between the two may be affecting your particular issue.
1355 [15:20:15] <acresearch> sypher: so then where can i go to find people to help me? i just installed debian yesterday
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1373 [15:28:04] <Eryn_1983_FL> yeah i got one.. blackflow
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1375 [15:28:26] <Eryn_1983_FL> I thought that was where it was sent from not to..
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1380 [15:31:26] <disaster__> hi i want to get logs by rsyslog from php-fpm chrooted pool. I try two methods, set a dev/log socket in chroot place and turn catch_workers_output on. But for both method i only have the first error from the php script in my logs. I have everything when i write directly in log file. If someone know or think to know...
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1388 [15:35:18] <init7> could anyone here give me a clue which is the best web hosting control panel for debian (open source for sure)
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1390 [15:35:39] <sypher> init7: They all suck.
1391 [15:35:56] <init7> sypher: so ur saying going to comercial
1392 [15:36:02] <sypher> init7: No, those suck, too.
1393 [15:36:14] <Eryn_1983_FL> so what is happening is that cron.weekly was sending emails to the email address in /etc/ssmtp/rev*
1394 [15:36:16] <init7> sypher: so do things manually u say :P
1395 [15:36:26] <sypher> init7: They all mangle the hell out of the OS in ways that are incredibly difficult to diagnose. So, yes, do things manually.
1396 [15:37:19] <init7> sypher: thank you
1397 [15:37:48] <sypher> init7: Probably not the answer you wanted to hear, but it'll pay off in the long run.
1398 [15:38:37] <init7> sypher: thank you for the advice man
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1406 [15:40:01] <teraflops> init7: I agree with sypher, you don't an additional layer of junk IMHO
1407 [15:40:38] <teraflops> do not need^
1408 [15:40:52] <rootkea> Hello! How one can add text/modify text printed on `./configure --help`?
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1410 [15:43:08] <init7> teraflops: well understand ;) thank you both teraflops and sypher
1411 [15:43:13] <teraflops> init7: depending on the number of machines you manage, I'd say yes, or use something like ansible or salt or whatever if you manage several machines
1412 [15:43:58] <teraflops> yes to the manually bit^
1413 [15:44:31] <blackflow> Eryn_1983_FL: isn't that what you want?
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1427 [15:57:13] <Eryn_1983_FL> uh noo
1428 [15:57:19] <Eryn_1983_FL> cause it doesnt work
1429 [15:57:39] <Eryn_1983_FL> i need it to go to gmail not mailgun mailgun only sends not receives
1430 [15:58:35] <Eryn_1983_FL> that is only to populate the from entry so it doesnt bounce due to not being the true from location,
1431 [15:58:47] <Eryn_1983_FL> which freaking tmobile does..
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1446 [16:07:15] <Bob360> Hi
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1557 [17:12:31] <sharp15> is there a way to map the partitions to /dev numbers? other than /etc/fstab? i'm trying to decide what partitions are in use for a wipe/reinstall
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1560 [17:13:22] <sharp15> also i can't get 'sudo gparted' to connect to the local xserver.
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1574 [17:21:43] <Delf> What are Debians main goals?
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1576 [17:22:09] <abff> replaced-url
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1579 [17:22:46] <Delf> abff: I'm not new to Debian, thanks anyways.
1580 [17:23:06] <abrotman> Delf: perhaps you mean the Social Contract?
1581 [17:23:16] <Delf> I fell in love a long time ago, no needs to convince me.
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1584 [17:23:36] <abrotman> Delf: replaced-url
1585 [17:24:16] <Delf> I meant the technical goals
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1587 [17:24:26] <Delf> Stability being one, no?
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1590 [17:25:44] <abff> Well I mean that's the goal of one particular dev branch
1591 [17:25:54] <Papillon> is armhf one of the main architectures? Like amd64?
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1593 [17:26:15] <Delf> A lot of people seem to have issues with Debian and some people do not even want to help me because I'm using Debian… doesn't prevent me from using Debian and I sure ain't switching to… other dists
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1595 [17:26:29] <TomTomTo1> yes, armhf is an official port.
1596 [17:26:51] <sypher> Delf: That position boggles the mind. I find that Debian has the least amount of "distro-specific wonkiness" as compared to other distros.
1597 [17:27:03] <abff> Delf the social contract has a lot of answers
1598 [17:27:24] <abrotman> sypher: that largely depends on the package in question
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1602 [17:28:38] <sypher> abrotman: As a general statement, I find it to be true. I'm sure there are plenty of Debian-isms, but in general, they affect what I do less than doing the same tasks in other distros.
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1604 [17:29:21] <Papillon> replaced-url
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1606 [17:29:41] <Papillon> looks like it didn't qualify for jessie, but there is mention of some kind of waiver, or lack of waiver?
1607 [17:30:05] <Papillon> hf wasn't even a candidate
1608 [17:30:13] <Papillon> armhf
1609 [17:30:47] <Delf> The only time I had issues with Debian is when it comes to hardware support, drivers. New drivers requiring new kernel but that was easily solved by installing newer kernel from backports.
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1611 [17:31:13] <jelly> Papillon, armhf is supported arch in jessie, replaced-url
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1627 [17:36:38] <Papillon> it would be nice if the architecture support info was easier to find, and if they gave you more information. I guess it means critical bugs are ignored by the jessie release team?
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1631 [17:37:23] <Delf> It would be nice if I knew more so I could update the wiki's :P
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1634 [17:39:08] <Papillon> it would be nice if there was one wiki to rule them all and it would have little pop downs for specific distros where appropriate
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1637 [17:40:26] <Delf> Papillon: No needs, there's already One Distro to rule them all ;)
1638 [17:40:31] <blackflow> Eryn_1983_FL: how does mailgun even come in the picture? ssmtp will send out to whatever gateway you specify, for each user:email:gateway mapping
1639 [17:40:41] <Papillon> hannah montana linux?
1640 [17:40:49] <blackflow> Eryn_1983_FL: and btw mailgun can send
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1801 [19:13:27] <sine0> is anyone familiar with pgp in the deb environement and know what package i need to pull in
1802 [19:14:09] <petn-randall> sine0: gnupg/gnupg2
1803 [19:14:35] <sine0> which one shall i use?
1804 [19:14:56] <petn-randall> sine0: Whatever suits you. gnupg2 is more modern.
1805 [19:15:12] <sine0> I just want to create a key pair for encrypting emails
1806 [19:15:23] <sine0> .asc file
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1810 [19:17:29] <sine0> i already haz it
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1825 [19:23:05] <tables> how do i show my init scripts that boot?
1826 [19:23:12] <tables> i wanna be able to see all my init scripts at boot up
1827 [19:23:18] <tables> with the [OK] and what not
1828 [19:23:22] <nkuttler> what do yuo mean?
1829 [19:23:36] <nkuttler> that's the default, is it not?
1830 [19:23:39] <tables> i remember some other linux distros showing the initscripts as they boot up
1831 [19:23:48] <tables> my debian 8 doesn't do that
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1837 [19:27:08] <binbox> hello
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1841 [19:27:47] <LtL> tables: remove 'quiet' from the grub boot line should do it
1842 [19:27:55] <tables> thx
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1844 [19:28:08] <tables> is this in grub.conf?
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1846 [19:29:05] <LtL> tables: no, /etc/default/grub -or- hit 'c' at the grub screen on boot
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1848 [19:29:51] <LtL> tables: /etc/default/grub -> 'GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet"
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1851 [19:31:53] <tables> GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT=""
1852 [19:31:58] <tables> that's what i did and it doesn't work
1853 [19:32:30] <tables> i still can't see my initscripts that load up
1854 [19:33:09] <LtL> tables: try commenting that line, if not can't help you
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1863 [19:37:10] <Brigo> tables, you have to update grub after edit that file
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1865 [19:37:34] <Brigo> with update-grub
1866 [19:38:07] <LtL> Brigo: i suspected that but didn't want to wreck anything
1867 [19:38:28] <LtL> Brigo: so... thx
1868 [19:38:33] <Brigo> there is no harm in that as log as your modification are correct :)
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1871 [19:39:28] <Brigo> but your modification are useless without grub-update anyway. You have to write the modification to the MBR with update-grub.
1872 [19:39:39] <sypher> Brigo: No.
1873 [19:40:03] <sypher> Brigo: Modifications to /etc/default/grub require regenerating grub's configuration, which is not written to the loader code in the MBR.
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1875 [19:40:39] <Brigo> sypher, ayway, then :D
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1878 [19:40:49] <sypher> tables: update-grub is the correct command, but that's not what update-grub does. Short answer: Run update-grub whenever you change /etc/default/grub.
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1920 [20:08:00] <hid3> Greetings everyone. I have a HP Microserver Gen 8 with Xeon 1265Lv2 CPU and 12 GB of RAM. Of course it needs to run Debian but the problem is that I need to run one Windows machine too. What would be the best solution to accomodate those two on a single box? Run VMware ESXi and run both machines independently or run Debian as a bare metal OS on it and somehow host Windows machine VM there?
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1924 [20:11:05] <sypher> hid3: ESXi is likely going to be the better option.
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1927 [20:12:25] <sypher> hid3: That way both operating systems can be managed as separate entities, without any interdependence between the two.
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1929 [20:12:43] <sypher> hid3: I'm also of the opinion that a hypervisor should not perform any other duties, for security purposes.
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1932 [20:13:27] <hid3> well, this is an internal system so security is not that important
1933 [20:13:41] <hid3> also, the Windows VM will be mostly idling and not performing any task
1934 [20:13:44] <sypher> hid3: Famous last words. That statement is virtually never true.
1935 [20:13:51] <hid3> :)
1936 [20:14:14] <sypher> hid3: You've asked for an opinion, and you're getting one. You're welcome to reject it, of course, but one then asks why you asked for an outside opinion in the first place.
1937 [20:14:26] <hid3> the problem is that I'm not familiar with virtualisation at all. All I know about ESXi is those 4 letters, that's it. Never seen it live, never configured/managed/etc...
1938 [20:14:40] <sypher> hid3: ESXi is actually quite easy to install and manage.
1939 [20:14:50] <hid3> good to know.
1940 [20:15:24] <hid3> alright, then will go the ESXi route. I have two disks (8 TB and 2 TB) so will place those two VMs on separate disks. And the ESXi will probably be run out of SD card
1941 [20:15:51] <sypher> hid3: That's the common configuration, yes, aside from the mismatched disks and whatnot.
1942 [20:16:12] <hid3> also, my Xeon supports hardware AES encryption and some other features. Will those be available to the VM machine running Debian? Won't they become "lost" somewhere amond virtualisation levels?
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1944 [20:16:40] <sypher> hid3: No, ESXi exposes the full instruction set to the VMs. It actually presents the CPUs as hardware.
1945 [20:16:52] <hid3> that's great
1946 [20:17:10] <sypher> hid3: The VM will see the actual CPU, except that the number of physical/logical processors will match what you provide to the VM.
1947 [20:17:34] <hid3> also, a colleague told me some time ago that a VM can actually in some scenarions outperform physical machine on the same hardware. Hard to believe. Is there any chance this statement might be true?
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1952 [20:18:28] <sypher> Perhaps due to resource scheduling, caching behavior, or something, but I'd imagine that to be a corner case.
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1956 [20:18:57] <hid3> OK... Now all I need is an SD card and some luck deploying/configuring this setup
1957 [20:19:20] <hid3> How much space does ESXi take? What size card should I be ordering? (sorry for getting a bit offtipic at this point)
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1959 [20:20:26] <RebelCoder> Guys. Most of my apps open up in a different language. I have tried everything now but this export LANGUAGE=en_US:ru
1960 [20:20:28] <sypher> hid3: ESXi is quite small. I see people using 8GB SD cards. Consult VMware's documentation.
1961 [20:20:36] <RebelCoder> Always sets back to this value.
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1963 [20:21:19] <RebelCoder> dpkg-reconfigure locales, locale-gen... do not help...
1964 [20:21:54] <RebelCoder> I set LANGUAGE=en_US:en in every each way, but it goes back to :ru after a reboot.
1965 [20:21:55] <RebelCoder> Any idea ?
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1967 [20:22:11] <hid3> Good. Thanks for clearing many doubts in my head... This channel has been great for already more than 15 years I know it...
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1970 [20:23:31] <sypher> hid3: I'd recommend a 16GB or larger card. They're relatively cheap.
1971 [20:23:49] <sypher> hid3: And go for a UHS-1/class 10 card for boot speed.
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1975 [20:25:31] <sypher> hid3: A 32GB UHS-2/class-3 SD card goes for $60 on Amazon.
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1977 [20:26:42] <hid3> Does card speed/class influence only boot speed? I don't care about that absolutely, unless it's 5 minutes or so difference...
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1979 [20:27:21] <SwedeMike> hid3: remember that these SD/CF cards typically aren't made for lots of writes, they have less overprovisioning compared to SSDs.
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1982 [20:27:35] <hid3> The microserver itself takes long to boot (it goes through various checks, etc..). So speedy card will not cure the initial long boot :)
1983 [20:27:47] <sypher> hid3: Oh yeah, HP.
1984 [20:27:54] <hid3> yeah, I know that about limited write count
1985 [20:27:56] <sypher> SwedeMike: He's got disks, so he's not really going to be writing to the card.
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1987 [20:28:11] <hid3> yeah, HP, but I haven't found any other server with low power consumption for that price
1988 [20:28:26] <SwedeMike> sypher: ok, then I guess it's fine.
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1990 [20:28:55] <sypher> hid3: Then you can get a UHS-1/C10 card for $14 on Amazon, 32GB.
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1992 [20:29:37] <sypher> Let's move this over to offtopic.
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1997 [20:30:28] <Enrico_Menotti> I am setting up Debian on an ARM device. It boots, but I'd need to read the messages at boot time. Is there a place where they are logged, so that I may read them by accessing the file system from my host computer, when the device is shut down?
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1999 [20:30:31] <hid3> will decide about the card choice tomorrow. Now I need a good rest after hard weekend :)
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2002 [20:30:54] <hid3> BTW, will be installing Debian 9 already. Sadly 'businesscard' ISO is no longer available. Loved it so much...
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2004 [20:31:47] <Orbstheorem> Hello, what can I do to reduce the power consumption of my laptop?
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2009 [20:32:18] <sypher> Enrico_Menotti: /var/log/kern.log, possibly? Depending on what you're after?
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2011 [20:32:56] <Enrico_Menotti> sypher There's no such file.
2012 [20:33:15] <sypher> Enrico_Menotti: That might be an architectural difference, then. I might not be much help, here.
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2015 [20:34:13] <teraflops> Enrico_Menotti: jessie or stretch?
2016 [20:34:28] <Enrico_Menotti> teraflops Jessie.
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2018 [20:34:32] <teraflops> oh
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2020 [20:34:58] <Guest> 200BC * present
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2027 [20:40:04] <zykotick9> Orbstheorem: sorry, i have no further suggestion... best of luck.
2028 [20:40:37] <disaster__> Hi i would like to know if it's possible to live look at local2 cause i suspect a queue problem but i want to see if he get message
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2144 [21:42:03] <dispel> Can I use a kernel from jessie-backports on stretch?
2145 [21:42:07] <m1dnight_> hey guys, im confused about the systemd generator for sysv scripts.
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2147 [21:42:41] <m1dnight_> I have been trying to figure out how to add an env var to a transmission sysv script. and ive learned that systemd generates a systemd script for that sysv script
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2149 [21:43:13] <m1dnight_> but I have found that script located in /lib/systemd/system, and not in /run/systemd/generator.late/ as I found onlin
2150 [21:43:21] <m1dnight_> can anyone point me to some docs to figure this out?
2151 [21:43:37] <babilen> dispel: Why would you want to?
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2154 [21:45:46] <dispel> babilen, I want to use replaced-url
2155 [21:45:55] <dispel> it comes in jessie-backports or sid
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2157 [21:46:05] <dispel> I'm on stretch
2158 [21:46:10] <dispel> I don't want to upgrade everything to sid though
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2164 [21:49:17] <babilen> Just pull it from sid
2165 [21:49:27] <dispel> Probably I'm supposed to use the sid package and then backport it to stretch
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2168 [21:50:00] <babilen> Well, up until the freeze packages were transitioning from sid to stretch regularly
2169 [21:50:01] <blackflow> dispel: have you used the grsec kernel before on Debian?
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2172 [21:50:23] <babilen> Not sure what the best approach is for the time after the release, but right now I'd just grab it from sid
2173 [21:50:26] <babilen> dpkg: ssm
2174 [21:50:26] <dpkg> «echo 'APT::Default-Release "stretch";' >> /etc/apt/apt.conf», edit sources.list, copy your non-security stretch lines and change one set to sid, then apt-get update. apt-get -t sid install foo; to install foo from sid rather than stretch as usual. WARNING to SYNAPTIC users: Synaptic ignores Default-Release: set Preferences->Distribution. See <jum caveat> and use this setup to track <stretch> after its release.
2175 [21:50:36] <babilen> blackflow: ^ see for a way to "mix"
2176 [21:51:01] <blackflow> I was only to inquire about stability of it, if it's used before.
2177 [21:51:06] <dispel> blackflow yes on jessie
2178 [21:51:12] <blackflow> also rumor has it grsec will discontinue even the testing patches for public
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2181 [21:52:34] <dispel> Debian needs something like this replaced-url
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2189 [21:54:57] <blackflow> dispel: that's pretty much just the hardened kernel and pic/pie compiler flags on packages, something Debian already does where possible, if I'm not mistaken.
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2191 [21:55:13] <blackflow> s/hardened/grsec patched/
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2193 [21:55:55] <blackflow> so installing the grsec kernel is pretty much it.
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2201 [21:57:26] <babilen> judd: v linux-patch-grsecurity2
2202 [21:57:27] <judd> Package: linux-patch-grsecurity2 on amd64 -- wheezy: 2.9.1+3.2.21-201206221855-1; jessie: 3.0+3.14.22-201410250026-1; sid: 3.1+4.9.11-201702181444-1
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2209 [21:59:20] <dispel> blackflow, it's Grsec + SELinux for MAC w/ configs + IMA + EVM
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2212 [21:59:46] <blackflow> selinux is not default on hardened gentoo
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2214 [22:02:25] <dispel> blackflow, how many minutes does it take you to install and have fully configured those 4 things on 10 workstations?
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2216 [22:02:36] <dispel> just the software side
2217 [22:03:35] <blackflow> I'd say it takes far less on Debian. Besides, if you have multiple machines, consider something like ansible.
2218 [22:03:42] <dispel> Can you download the Debian-Hardened iso file and install it on the installation destination
2219 [22:04:01] <blackflow> and... good luck with grsec and selinux in xorg environment :) no, really, I never had the patience for it.
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2221 [22:04:19] <dispel> there's a grsec-nvidia driver
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2223 [22:04:31] <blackflow> dispel: you can always prepare such an ISO if it's important. I prefer the ansible way.
2224 [22:05:11] <dispel> Now I'm the maintainer of that
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2227 [22:05:37] <blackflow> of what?
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2229 [22:05:39] <dispel> I don't want to be the maintainer of Debian Hardened, I want to contribute to it
2230 [22:05:43] <blackflow> ah
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2234 [22:06:50] <blackflow> gentoo is a source based distro, having a hardened profile is just a set of preset USE flags to compile with grsec and pax
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2236 [22:07:24] <blackflow> Debian hardened... either you just apt-get the kernel, selinux+tools which is really minute or so, or you have to maintain the whole repo of all the packages patched the way gentoo-hardened compiles them.
2237 [22:07:36] <blackflow> at any rate, it's not just as simple as having a stage-3 like ISO for Debian.
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2260 [22:17:22] <dispel> blackflow, that's the 5th thing Hardened Gentoo provides, the flags in the hardened profile
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2262 [22:17:41] <dispel> in Debian, of course it would be a whole repo
2263 [22:17:44] <mender27> Good evening ladies and gentleman :).
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2266 [22:18:23] <blackflow> dispel: and from what I know Debian already compiles with PIE/PIC here possible. so the only thing that makes it different from gentoo-hardened is the grsec kernel.
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2268 [22:18:47] <mender27> Someone wants a grsec kernel for Debian?
2269 [22:18:49] <missmbob> testing/sid do. not stable
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2271 [22:19:34] <dispel> blackflow: you're using IMA and EVM on Debian?
2272 [22:20:28] <blackflow> dispel: isn't that part of the kernel?
2273 [22:20:39] <blackflow> do you have to recompile userland packages for iT?
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2275 [22:21:38] <blackflow> dispel: or in other words, what changes to the userland you have to make to make Debian like gentoo-hardened?
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2277 [22:21:58] <blackflow> because the grsec kernel is an apt-get install away, so is gradm for RBAC
2278 [22:22:17] <blackflow> or selinux tools, or apparmor tools (which I'm using, btw)
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2296 [22:29:13] <awal1> why as root "reboot/poweroff/shutdown/suspend" is called without systemctl?
2297 [22:29:49] <awal1> user: systemctl reboot....; root: just reboot...
2298 [22:31:16] <teraflops> awal1: is there more than one reboot binary (symlink)?
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2301 [22:32:22] <dispel> blackflow, they require some setup, replaced-url
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2304 [22:32:39] <dispel> replaced-url
2305 [22:32:40] <teraflops> awal1: because those commands are symlinks to systemctl…
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2309 [22:33:10] <dispel> Debian doesn't have this configured
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2311 [22:33:35] <blackflow> dispel: the kernel has the options enabled
2312 [22:33:46] <blackflow> dispel: so configure the rest. :)
2313 [22:33:48] <dispel> which is why I asked for minutes
2314 [22:34:02] <blackflow> still far less minutes than installing gentoo
2315 [22:34:33] <boodie> Hi (Jessie 8.7); I'm trying to interface a Motorola G Play smartphgone to my Linux box via MTP, but it doesn't work & I'm a bit lost ... any hints?
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2325 [22:39:20] <blackflow> good one
2326 [22:39:36] <blackflow> sasl login is really just a config line in most irc clients
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2337 [22:45:16] <autofsck1> i have a problem, sometimes the X restarts, i use lxde
2338 [22:45:20] <acheron-a> had a question, does anyone know how to break out of the hang at ipv6 on startup on a live boot?
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2349 [22:52:36] <boodie> Hi (Jessie 8.7); I'm trying to interface a Motorola G Play smartphone to my Linux box via MTP, but it doesn't work & I'm a bit lost ... any hints?
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2355 [22:55:41] <nkuttler> boodie: shotwell has just worked with my g (2nd gen)
2356 [22:55:56] <nkuttler> i think it uses gphoto2 internally
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2358 [22:56:22] <teraflops> boodie: jessie?
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2361 [22:56:41] <awal1> teraflops, I have no clue
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2364 [22:57:38] <teraflops> awal1: what I meant is that I dbout that as root it is calling a different binary
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2370 [22:59:31] <boodie> teraflops: 8.7 Stable
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2373 [22:59:50] <boodie> MAybe it's called wheezy ..
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2375 [23:00:09] <teraflops> boodie: how are you trying to access the phone?
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2379 [23:02:04] <boodie> Firstly just by pluggin it via USB, then opening the file manager. Phone is recognized as "Moto G Play", a directory appears, but it's void
2380 [23:02:35] <boodie> Then I tried the various mtp-tools, without success ...
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2384 [23:03:46] <boodie> Before I had an ASUS Zenfone 2, which worked flawlessly with deb, but unfortunately it had an 'accident', so I am trying with the mototrola, which has this mtp nightmare
2385 [23:03:51] <teraflops> boodie: which file manager is this?
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2388 [23:04:39] <teraflops> boodie: also what does journalctl say when you plug the phone in and click on it?
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2391 [23:05:18] <boodie> I believe the windows 32bit ...
2392 [23:05:59] <boodie> No journal files were found.
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2394 [23:06:05] <teraflops> as root
2395 [23:06:07] <boodie> FAT32
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2397 [23:06:46] <teraflops> boodie: your not making any sense other at least I have no idea what are you talking about
2398 [23:06:57] <teraflops> regarding windows and fat32
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2400 [23:07:16] <teraflops> not do I lol sorry
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2402 [23:07:31] <teraflops> it is the phone i
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2411 [23:08:38] <teraflops> boodie: sudo joutnalctl -f
2412 [23:08:54] <teraflops> then plug the phone
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2414 [23:09:14] <boodie> Ok; I have connected the Android device and I want to read / write files on a SD card. This phone, contrary to another android I had before, makes use of the mtp protocol. I am trying to access the SD storage, but I can't.
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2416 [23:10:06] <teraflops> boodie: yeah. sorry my typos I'm on the phone.
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2418 [23:11:04] <teraflops> boodie: still you did not say wich filemanager is this
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2420 [23:11:22] <teraflops> nor the joutnalctl output
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2423 [23:11:56] <teraflops> gvfs mtp should be enough
2424 [23:12:15] <boodie> The file manager is the standard provided with XFCE, I also have dolphin and I have the same issue
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2426 [23:12:46] <boodie> What is the repo where to dump the outputs?
2427 [23:12:49] <awal1> teraflops, I understand reboot... is a symlink to systemctl, obviously, my question was almost how/where things are configured for differentiate the use/interpretation of systemctl shutdown commands regular user vs root
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2430 [23:13:21] <awal1> by regular user vs root ^
2431 [23:13:37] <teraflops> boodie: replaced-url
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2435 [23:15:01] <autofsck2> hello, the X restarts all of a sudden, how can i see whts happening? where can i see the logs? im not so familiar with systemctl and that
2436 [23:15:27] <boodie> replaced-url
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2438 [23:16:34] <autofsck2> this is an almost new install, maybe like 2 weeks, my first time using debian
2439 [23:16:36] <ryouma> autofsck2: /var/log should still work
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2441 [23:17:05] <autofsck2> ryouma: i tried to find something there, but did not find anything
2442 [23:18:01] <ryouma> autofsck2: hmm, this might depend on x calling context. for example, it might redirect to a file. i do not use a de, so i defer to anybody who does.
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2444 [23:18:03] <boodie> this is actually what happened when I unplugged / plugged the phone replaced-url
2445 [23:18:29] <ryouma> autofsck2: you can certainly run with startx and it will tell you your error
2446 [23:18:32] <teraflops> boodie: the output from when the phone is plugged and you click on it from the file manager would be fine
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2448 [23:18:51] <teraflops> hence my joutnalctl -f
2449 [23:19:01] <ryouma> autofsck2: startx -- :0
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2451 [23:19:14] <ryouma> autofsck2: use a vt
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2453 [23:19:26] <autofsck2> ryouma: well thats the way i used to run openbox but my hd crashed and i thought debian was more stable but it isnt, this problem is driving me crazy and i dont know how to fix it
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2456 [23:19:59] <ryouma> such problems drive me crazy too, but i'm confident you can get and find the x error!
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2462 [23:20:27] <teraflops> boodie: hmm
2463 [23:20:35] <ryouma> and then in the worst case, go to xorg channel or maybe here and pastebin-like the error
2464 [23:20:40] <ryouma> output*
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2469 [23:21:10] <autofsck2> the thing is that i cant find any error
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2473 [23:21:46] <autofsck2> it just restarts windowslike jajajaja well not really instead of freezing it restarts
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2476 [23:22:01] <ryouma> ok, you are out of my depth
2477 [23:22:04] <teraflops> boodie: I have the same issue using Debian testing
2478 [23:22:06] <boodie> replaced-url
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2480 [23:22:37] <teraflops> and my phone works fine with other linux distros
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2485 [23:23:49] <boodie> Is it to do with mtp not being up to date with the latest versions of the protocol used by the new generation of android? I also found that mtp with Moto G only works with USB3 (seems strange)
2486 [23:24:10] <teraflops> boodie: second paste looks like you installed a bunch of things for accessing the phone
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2488 [23:24:30] <boodie> I read that with a backport mtp it works
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2490 [23:24:38] <teraflops> boodie: no idea tbh. but looks like a bug to me.
2491 [23:24:39] <boodie> mtp-tools
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2493 [23:25:03] <teraflops> I just checked here with a stretch machine
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2495 [23:25:09] <teraflops> same issue
2496 [23:25:28] <boodie> Well it seems that I'm not the only one having issues with mtp and wheezy
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2498 [23:26:11] <boodie> what is it (stretch), testing?
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2505 [23:28:44] <teraflops> boodie: yep
2506 [23:29:15] <boodie> replaced-url
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2508 [23:30:11] <acheron-a> had a question, does anyone know how to break out of the hang at ipv6 config (my ISP does not support it) on the startup of a 8.71 live boot?
2509 [23:30:52] <ragutierrez> Hello, I need help installing xorg for Nvidia graphics card
2510 [23:31:08] <Dagger> acheron-a: what does it say on screen? normally there's no v6 config beyond processing RAs, and it doesn't wait for those during boot
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2512 [23:31:18] <ragutierrez> I did a kernel update
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2514 [23:31:55] <boodie> they claim that simple-mtpfs works. 'mkdir ~/moto_g' , followed by 'simple-mtpfs moto_g' ... problem is: does simple-mtpfs exist in the stable repository?
2515 [23:32:08] <acheron-a> Dagger, it hangs at configuring the ipv6 interface
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2518 [23:33:21] <boodie> teraflops: replaced-url
2519 [23:33:24] <acheron-a> where must be some command to make it skip that and keep going
2520 [23:33:45] <acheron-a> i tired ctrl+q, and other suff
2521 [23:34:05] <teraflops> boodie: well it happens a lot
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2523 [23:34:29] <acheron-a> i am so sick of my dyslexia cant even type a simple sentence anymore
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2525 [23:34:50] <teraflops> boodie: maybe you can add a udev rule for the phone
2526 [23:34:55] <boodie> so, it's matter of waiting that a device is included in the library
2527 [23:35:02] <boodie> me ???
2528 [23:35:12] <teraflops> or what I said
2529 [23:35:42] <boodie> I think it's a bit above my capabilities
2530 [23:36:00] <Dagger> I mean, if it's just the "no v6 routers found" message then that's just informative, it's not actually waiting for anything
2531 [23:37:17] <acheron-a> this is on initial boot
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2535 [23:39:40] <teraflops> acheron-a: maybe it just hangs and the latest message is about ipv6 but not related
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2537 [23:39:55] <acheron-a> that could be
2538 [23:40:10] <acheron-a> the install dvd does not do that
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2541 [23:40:38] <acheron-a> just the live cd which i have worked so hard to get boot on a UEFI system
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2544 [23:41:01] <teraflops> it does not boot very well hehe
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2548 [23:41:34] <acheron-a> i know, its frustrating people can't test drive debian
2549 [23:41:57] <acheron-a> well i just thought i would ask, thanks guys
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2553 [23:44:12] <notmike> I am trying to get the Debian installer to recognize my built-in wireless/bluetooth NIC and use this for the net-install as I do not have an eth0 connected. I've been at it all day. Is there some straightforward method that I'm overlooking?
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2555 [23:45:24] <ryouma> i want moreutils and gnu parallel simultaneously. but moreutils conflicts with gnu parallel presumably because it has a version of paralle in it (that i do not want). :(. is there a solution?
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2560 [23:49:14] <notmike> i hate you
2561 [23:49:43] <ryouma> ?
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2568 [23:53:49] <nkuttler> ryouma: it's fixed in stretch.. you could use dpkg with --force-foo i guess, but that's not really recommended
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2571 [23:54:12] <nkuttler> ,checkbackport moreutils
2572 [23:54:14] <judd> Backporting package moreutils in sid→jessie/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using jessie.
2573 [23:54:21] <nkuttler> ,checkbackport parallel
2574 [23:54:22] <judd> Backporting package parallel in sid→jessie/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using jessie.
2575 [23:54:31] <nkuttler> or backport those packages yourself
2576 [23:55:09] <ryouma> no bacports i think
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2578 [23:55:27] <nkuttler> !tell ryouma about ssbp
2579 [23:56:13] <boodie> teraflops: solved. On the smartphone, the USB option selected was "charging" ... I selected "File Transfers using MTP" et voila'. I feel silly ... apologies
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2581 [23:56:37] <teraflops> lucky you
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2584 [23:57:13] <teraflops> boodie: not working for a galaxy a5 2016 here
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2590 [23:58:24] <boodie> If you scroll the screen, it shows here "USB for charging - Touch for more options"
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2593 [23:59:13] <el_guapo> Hi, I'm trying to boot a Debian liveCD from GRUB (using Coreboot). Can you help me figure out what to write exactly to boot it? There's boot=optical drive, the linux vmlinuz I have n idea what to write, then same thing for initrd
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2597 [23:59:57] <teraflops> boodie: yeah I know, no the issue here
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