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0 [00:00:24] <TomTomTosch> dokma: can you put the output of apt-cache policy <pkg> of the package in question on paste.debian.net?
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83 [00:49:48] <dokma> TomTomTosch: replaced-url
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115 [01:07:18] <missmbob> dokma: it's upgrading to testing/unstable, not stable. as it should.
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117 [01:07:46] <likcoras> Hi, how do I allocate more video memory to vms with qemu/kvm, like in virtualbox? Searching gave me "ram", "vram", and "vgamem" attributes, but adding them to the <video> element with 'virsh edit' has no effect, running 'virsh edit' again shows me that "vgamem" attribute was deleted, and guest does not report more video memory.
118 [01:08:45] <likcoras> Guest starts with 16M of video memory from what I can tell, and I can't seem to increase that.
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124 [01:14:40] <awal1> dokma, mixing branches?
125 [01:15:06] <awal1> you may want to paste your apt sources file
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129 [01:17:06] <mutante> apt-get update tells me "Ign replaced-url
130 [01:17:35] <mutante> well, 2 questions, first of all that is a http link, not https so why do you need it, and second, "Unable to locate package apt-transport-https"
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139 [01:20:09] <mutante> oh, i think i see now.. that was a red herring, it is skipping one and then the problem is with another source which does http->https redirect
140 [01:21:07] <mutante> still i would like the apt-transport-https package then
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153 [01:26:59] <clementine0> this might be a frustrating question, but here goes.. i have a friend who is getting an error when booting, says 'failed to load firmware "radeon/R520_cp.bin"'. then then loads to a shell prompt, then goes to a blank screen with a cursor but no keyboard input possible. from what i read it looks like maybe modules kms and udev not loading in the correct order. This friend doesn't really have an internet
154 [01:27:05] <clementine0> connection, just some sort of usb ...
155 [01:27:07] <clementine0> ... router. i'm way out of my depth, can anyone get me on the right path to help him?
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174 [01:35:57] <foxpup> clementine0: what distro is he booting? on which machine?
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177 [01:36:46] <foxpup> maybe try something else
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182 [01:39:56] <clementine0> foxpup: jessie, not sure about the machine, i know it's a fairly old desktop
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207 [01:59:03] <slack_> hi
208 [01:59:27] <slack_> i need to detect sound activity in command line script
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212 [02:02:18] <pylepfc4evr> fuck u crooked ni66er dick suckin lyin thieving girl murdering nazi jew trash. you bastards need to die and burn in hell 4evr
213 [02:03:41] <mutante> pylepfc4evr: that's reserved for people who randomly insult strangers
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215 [02:03:48] <pylepfc4evr> at least obiwan cut the goddamn nigger on half for messing with his white friend quai gon
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219 [02:05:20] <pylepfc4evr> you goddamn filth let those nigger trash fire a doctor unjustly
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223 [02:05:44] <karvalhus_> lol wtf dude
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247 [02:14:25] <baribal> Hi. I installed Dunst as notification daemon, but it doesn't get started automatically, neither at booting nor logging into X, nor when a notification is sent. Also, when it starts, it reports "Name Lost. Is Another notification daemon running?" (but then works just fine nonetheless). How do I check whether a notification daemon is running, and how do I set Dunst to be my default notification daemon?
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254 [02:15:49] <karvalhus_> can't you do something in rc.local?
255 [02:16:01] <mutante> i had never heard of dunst, but just idle here for a few days and the exact same questions keeps coming
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257 [02:16:26] <mutante> unfortunately i dont know or remember the answer from last time
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259 [02:16:57] <karvalhus_> you can set it to auto-start
260 [02:17:01] <karvalhus_> in the rc.local
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267 [02:17:41] <somiaj> if you want something to start in your desktop/wm automatically, you should configure that (not rc.local)
268 [02:18:09] <somiaj> most desktops use .desktop files in some autostart dir by default, you can just write one and put it there, wms sometimes require extra configuration.
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270 [02:18:25] <Zppix> you could in theory use cron aswell
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272 [02:19:04] <baribal> I don't think notion does that... Is there a generic way/location for X in general?
273 [02:19:06] <somiaj> but there are various notification-daemons I see, so it could be another is already running, what de is being used?
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276 [02:19:37] <somiaj> baribal: what is notion? Anyways you can write your own .xsession file to launch what ever you want in the xsession, but not all dms will parse this
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283 [02:20:33] <baribal_> notion is a WM. I'm not using Gnome, KDE, etc, just xdm, notion, Dunst, i3lock, ...
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299 [02:25:47] <karvalhus_> guys can you recommend me cli applications like lynx? i want to use just these apps in my desktop
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302 [02:26:40] <bazhang> karvalhus_, why use a desktop at all with that
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304 [02:26:51] <somiaj> karvalhus_: what do you mean like lynx? why not just use lynx? Or are you wanting something along the same lines like links2?
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307 [02:28:42] <karvalhus_> i want apps that can do what i want without a user interface
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309 [02:29:02] <somiaj> so what kinda of apps do you need, be more specific.
310 [02:29:29] <karvalhus_> text edition, reading, browsing net
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312 [02:30:07] <somiaj> well reading/browsing the net you had covered with lynx or links2
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314 [02:30:23] <somiaj> text editors there is nano (default), the big names vim and emacs all run in consoles
315 [02:31:10] <baribal_> Sooo, I wrote a .xsession file, now not even notion gets started...
316 [02:31:19] <emax0075> Hey, I am setting up a VPN, but I am having a pain of a time getting the routing to work right. I am not really sure how to troubleshoot
317 [02:31:45] <emax0075> I am connected. I can see traffic come in and out the tun, but it isn't coming back to my device
318 [02:32:58] <emax0075> actually all I see going out the server connection is DNS queries
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328 [02:40:44] <somiaj> baribal_: well you have to start notion from inside the .xsession file
329 [02:40:47] <baribal_> Ah, got it! Dunst doesn't fork a background process and exit, so a `&` at the end did the trick. And apparently having an .xsession makes all the other Debian magic not work, so I had to start notion in there, too.
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332 [02:42:12] <baribal_> Do I assume correctly that dunst, being a child process of the .xsession script, will be killed automatically when my session ends?
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334 [02:43:25] <gry> I think yes
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337 [02:45:00] <tw> not unless they're killed by a signal or by systemd.
338 [02:45:05] <baribal_> Excellent. Then I'm one step closer to creating my own personal DE. ^^
339 [02:45:54] <karvalhus_> nice!!
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350 [02:53:34] <gry> baribal_ what is its name?
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355 [02:55:04] <baribal_> gry, er... None? It's not a big project, it's just me using a bunch of tools that don't get in each other's way.
356 [02:55:40] <gry> you may be able to make a debian blend (oftc #debian-blends) if you think that sharing this with other people would be useful
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358 [02:56:28] <baribal_> Not really... At most I might write a bunch of notes about how to do it, and what options there are for each kind of tool.
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363 [02:59:21] <gry> that would be nice
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521 [04:40:19] <acu> !utc
522 [04:40:20] <dpkg> Coordinated Universal Time (UTC) is the standard by which the world regulates clocks and time (replaced-url
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524 [04:41:05] <SakuraCat> can someone help me with c++ please
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528 [04:46:06] <dvs> SakuraCat, not in this channel
529 [04:46:34] <SakuraCat> yes i know
530 [04:46:42] <SakuraCat> someone suggested this to me
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532 [04:46:57] <SakuraCat> I will leave if you want
533 [04:47:02] <SakuraCat> I just needed help on coding
534 [04:47:39] <Hoolootwo> I would be very surprised if there wasn't another channel for that
535 [04:48:02] <SakuraCat> I already found 3
536 [04:48:25] <SakuraCat> so I'll just leave now
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554 [04:59:10] <nickgaw> Hi, I am trying to find the rt package from bestpractical but apt-get install does not show it is it listed as something else?
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556 [05:02:43] <awal1> nickgaw, apt-cache/aptitude search ...
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575 [05:19:30] <nickgaw> I found it in request-tracker4
576 [05:20:23] <nickgaw> Is there a way to configure apt to install suggested packages for a certain package like if I do apt-get install request-tracker4 as suggested packages exist can apt install those suggested packages?
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627 [06:01:24] <awal1> nickgaw, what do you mean exactly?
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629 [06:02:23] <awal1> if you want suggests of pkg A just do apt-get/apt --install-suggests install A
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632 [06:03:38] <awal1> by default autoinstalling suggests is set to false
633 [06:04:04] <nickgaw> how do I change it to true?
634 [06:04:12] <awal1> Item: APT::Install-Suggests
635 [06:05:33] <awal1> nickgay, but that will install suggests all the time
636 [06:06:19] <awal1> you may end having all available debian software installed
637 [06:06:27] <awal1> 40 000 + :D
638 [06:06:58] <awal1> nickgaw
639 [06:07:20] <awal1> man apt, man apt-get, man apt_preferences
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706 [07:01:59] <paradizelost> question for everyone, i'm setting up a raspberri pi for my grandpa
707 [07:02:20] <paradizelost> i've got one of the usb microscopes i need to have auto-launch and full screen
708 [07:02:58] <paradizelost> gucview /dev/video0 displays, but not full screen and launches other apps
709 [07:03:06] <paradizelost> or rather, the full app with other crap open
710 [07:04:08] <paradizelost> cvlc will launch and play, but it hits full CPU and is a framerate of about 1 frame every minute or so
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775 [07:44:57] <paradizelost> got it, guvcview has cli options for full screen and no gui
776 [07:45:18] <gry> yay
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828 [08:18:51] <monsterco> I have an HP server connected to an APC UPS. If I take the UPS power cable out of wall (UPS running on battery), the server senses it and shuts off. Server is put on Battery outlet and not on Surge. Why is this happening?
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848 [08:29:18] <hargut> Hello.
849 [08:30:08] <gry> hi :)
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851 [08:30:34] <hargut> Is there a way to do a "apt-get build-dep" on a debian/control file? E.g. the package has no binary available. And I'm too lazy to copy that stuff and remove all the (<> xxY) things. :-)
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975 [09:31:02] <Falson> Hello assholes
976 [09:31:10] <Falson> oh shit sorry
977 [09:31:14] <Falson> Wrong channel
978 [09:31:30] <Falson> You are good people, not assholes :)
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998 [09:39:07] <dA3M0n23> morgen
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1073 [10:18:54] <brontosaurusrex> #debian-next < cannot join, must be invited (perhaps you should remove that channel from this channel topic?)
1074 [10:19:32] <petn-randall> brontosaurusrex: It's on OFTC, not on freenode, as it says.
1075 [10:19:44] <brontosaurusrex> oh.
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1148 [11:09:49] <lostbit> How much does it cost to use linux?
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1150 [11:10:26] <petn-randall> lostbit: Which distro are you using?
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1152 [11:10:40] <lostbit> debian
1153 [11:10:52] <petn-randall> lostbit: It costs nothing to install and use.
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1200 [11:37:46] <caraconan> Hi there. I followed different approaches, such as replaced-url
1201 [11:38:05] <petn-randall> !frankendebian
1202 [11:38:05] <dpkg> When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. See if you can convince ##linux to help.
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1204 [11:38:40] <missmbob> why the hell would you? jessie and sid have the same firefox esr version
1205 [11:38:43] <petn-randall> caraconan: See above. You should never mix stable and testing/sid on the same system, as it will break lots of things for you in the long run.
1206 [11:38:44] <colo-work> caraconan, why not use replaced-url
1207 [11:39:05] <petn-randall> ,v firefox-esr
1208 [11:39:06] <judd> Package: firefox-esr on amd64 -- jessie: 45.6.0esr-1~deb8u1; wheezy-security: 45.8.0esr-1~deb7u1; jessie-security: 45.8.0esr-1~deb8u1; stretch: 45.8.0esr-1; sid: 45.8.0esr-1; jessie-backports/firefox-release: 52.0.2esr-1~bpo80+1; experimental: 52.0.2esr-1
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1210 [11:39:35] <caraconan> ok, I see now its called "experimental", and maybe backports is a good solution. Thanks
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1215 [11:41:12] <petn-randall> caraconan: You can also get the latest firefox releases from replaced-url
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1219 [11:41:40] <caraconan> cool thanks
1220 [11:42:31] <sine0> using a livecd to overwrite data on a harddrive with random junk do i have to specifiy the size with dd or can i just write a command that will stdoutt /dev/urandom to the drive?
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1222 [11:43:29] <petn-randall> sine0: You can, but /dev/urandom is quite slow for that.
1223 [11:43:41] <petemc> and pointless, zeroes work just as well
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1226 [11:43:46] <sine0> i read a stack post that said it was quick. wahts the quicker way
1227 [11:44:10] <sine0> petn-randall: i will zero it again afterwards, i want an initial random overwrite
1228 [11:44:16] <petn-randall> sine0: There was a python script that does it much faster, you'd have to do an internet search. It involved the numpy module IIRC.
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1230 [11:44:29] <sine0> ok
1231 [11:44:42] <petemc> sine0: no need to do it multiple times
1232 [11:45:00] <petn-randall> what petemc said
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1234 [11:45:33] <petn-randall> sine0: Is it a HDD or SSD?
1235 [11:45:37] <sine0> HDD
1236 [11:45:49] <sine0> law firm data
1237 [11:46:19] <petn-randall> sine0: I'd just do a secure erase with hdparm, then overwrite it if you need to.
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1241 [11:47:33] <DarkStar1> Hi people. Where do I drop a service file for systemd in Jessie
1242 [11:47:41] <DarkStar1> a custom .service file
1243 [11:47:45] <SlutSex123> mist muted me on #freenode for pasting replaced-url
1244 [11:47:59] <SlutSex123> so i found random channel here to come bitch about mist being a fag
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1246 [11:48:06] <rpd_> sine0: dd is good if you match the blocksize parameter to HDD maximum write buffer else it will take forever
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1248 [11:48:35] <rpd_> better to use dedicated tools like DBAN
1249 [11:48:43] <SlutSex123> see, some people don't appreciate a good pair of tits
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1251 [11:48:58] <petn-randall> !ops SlutSex123
1252 [11:48:58] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: petn-randall complains about: SlutSex123
1253 [11:48:58] <SlutSex123> so they mute or ban when paste imgur link
1254 [11:49:08] <SlutSex123> !ops dpkg is so fucking gay
1255 [11:49:09] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: slutsex123 complains about: dpkg is so fucking gay
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1258 [11:49:55] <sine0> I want the quickest solution really. I tried DBAN before and it took forever...
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1260 [11:50:25] <petn-randall> sine0: secure erase is pretty much the fastest it can get
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1262 [11:51:15] <petn-randall> DarkStar1: Usually /etc/systemd/system/. You'll also need to enable it with 'systemctl enable <service>'
1263 [11:53:13] <DarkStar1> petn-randall: Thanks
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1267 [11:57:02] <petn-randall> DarkStar1: You're welcome!
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1273 [11:58:07] <BluesKaj> HI folks
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1285 [12:05:23] <teldix> Hey, can you help me? I have an ubuntu Server that break my whole local network after a while. It also freezes my desktop of the server. After a restart the network and also the desktop are fine again
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1288 [12:07:10] <missmbob> !ubuntu
1289 [12:07:11] <dpkg> Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>.
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1297 [12:10:23] <BluesKaj> teldix,join #ubuntu-server
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1373 [12:51:10] <DarkStar1> Is there anyway to get the list of say the last 5 system restarts?
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1408 [13:04:27] <rpd_> DarkStar1: man last
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1439 [13:22:47] <dadinn> hi all
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1442 [13:23:49] <dadinn> does anyone know why the debian live images (gnome-desktop ones) don't boot in KVM?
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1464 [13:34:43] <afidegnum> hello, i have been trying for the past many days now, the Fn key is not repsonding in linux/debian, how can i fix it?
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1472 [13:39:49] <nickgaw> [A
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1474 [13:40:06] <nickgaw> how do I have apt always install suggested packages?
1475 [13:40:14] <richeze> /msg NickServ IDENTIFY A70A19&Tc6
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1477 [13:40:43] <baribal_> afidegnum, I don't think it's even supposed to do anything on it's own, but is used on the hardware side to create another layer of keys.
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1479 [13:41:14] <Stummi> nice password
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1483 [13:41:30] <afidegnum> baribal_: i don't understand
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1486 [13:42:05] <nickgaw> think you sent that to the channel your cmdchar might have been changed.
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1496 [13:44:12] <baribal_> afidegnum, we're talking about the Fn key that's usually on notebook keyboards, usually on the bottom left with the other modifiers, and used to control volume, brightness, lock the screen etc.?
1497 [13:44:46] <nickgaw> Does your system normally require non-free firmware as that might be the case?
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1499 [13:45:26] <afidegnum> baribal_: yes
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1502 [13:46:06] <nickgaw> There is the linux for laptops site that might help.
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1505 [13:47:46] <afidegnum> well, i can't seems to find a resolute documentation that will fix it up
1506 [13:47:49] <baribal_> afidegnum, that key doesn't produce a key event in itself, that's normal; at least it doesn't for me.
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1508 [13:48:32] <afidegnum> yes, it supposed to work with combinations
1509 [13:48:41] <afidegnum> which are also not responding,
1510 [13:48:49] <afidegnum> i ran xev as well,
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1512 [13:49:04] <afidegnum> the other keys are responding except the combination key
1513 [13:49:23] <baribal_> I see. Okay, then indeed something's broken, and I have no idea what.
1514 [13:49:54] <nickgaw> Do you have windows installed as well so you can test out the keys on another operating system?
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1518 [13:50:52] <afidegnum> i have a dual-boot with windows and the key works on it,
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1520 [13:51:13] <nickgaw> ok that is good then it is not a hardware issue.
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1522 [13:52:46] <afidegnum> is there another way to test if the key is functionning apart from xev ?
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1541 [14:02:17] <notwithstanding> whats the most popular desktop for debian jessy?
1542 [14:02:18] <notwithstanding> gnome ?
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1546 [14:05:55] <tdn> Is there a way to keep the fileindex/file system metadata cached on an ext4 filesystem? Kind of like having a "find /" or "find / -ls" run continously in the background. So that short file lookups are faster.
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1549 [14:07:59] <Stummi> notwithstanding, depends on your definition of popular
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1551 [14:08:26] <Stummi> if you want to compare desktops by installation count: curl -s replaced-url
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1648 [15:02:19] <OtakuSenpai> ,v jdownloader
1649 [15:02:20] <judd> No package named 'jdownloader' was found in amd64.
1650 [15:03:12] <abff> I remember that
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1655 [15:05:02] <sine0> how can i search for a particular line of code from all files with all subdirectorys of where i am
1656 [15:05:19] <sine0> I can grep it right?
1657 [15:05:27] <abff> ctags
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1663 [15:06:42] <babilen> sine0: I'm partial to ag
1664 [15:06:49] <babilen> judd: info silversearcher-ag
1665 [15:06:50] <judd> Package silversearcher-ag (utils, extra) in jessie/amd64: very fast grep-like program, alternative to ack-grep. Version: 0.26.0-1; Size: 28.3k; Installed: 113k; Homepage: replaced-url
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1680 [15:12:25] <Renari> Is there an auto logout feature in debian? I notice my user account gets logged out (which terminates it programs) after a period of inactivity.
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1684 [15:13:35] <BluesKaj> Renari, laptop? if so then check your power management settings
1685 [15:13:49] <Renari> It's a server, but I'll look there.
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1687 [15:14:19] <Renari> Hm only had turning off the screen when inactive for 10 minutes.
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1698 [15:18:25] <BluesKaj> Renari, Startup&Shutdown>Desktop Session
1699 [15:18:51] <BluesKaj> if you're using a desktop
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1701 [15:19:22] <Renari> I don't have anything named Startup&Shutdown.
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1704 [15:19:58] <BluesKaj> ok, nm , i keep fordetting hardly anyone here uses kde , sorry
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1739 [15:33:57] <jelly> kde users are well hidden
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1743 [15:35:09] <jelly> babilen: ag is out, ripgrep is what the cool kids use (notavailableindebianatthistime)
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1748 [15:35:59] <teraflops> hey KDE users! are you ashamed of running KDE? lol
1749 [15:36:08] <teraflops> .gm
1750 [15:36:29] <teraflops> ugh wrong chan sorry
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1754 [15:37:02] <jelly> .pal teraflops
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1756 [15:37:08] <jelly> !pal teraflops
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1758 [15:37:36] <teraflops> fair enough hehe
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1763 [15:38:27] <babilen> jelly: I'm sure it'll land in Debian eventually
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1800 [15:53:14] <n3ss> o_o
1801 [15:53:28] <n3ss> running debiant stretch, trying to run apt-get updaate
1802 [15:53:46] <n3ss> it just sits at "get:10 replaced-url
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1804 [15:53:48] <n3ss> any ideas
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1807 [15:55:44] <zxd> mount /dev/sdb2 /a mount: block device /dev/sdb2 is write-protected, mounting read-only mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sdb2, missing codepage or helper program, or other error In some cases useful info is found in syslog - try dmesg | tail or so
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1817 [16:00:02] <no_gravity> Hello! I'm a bit confused, how the Debian updates work. For example irqbalance has a known memory leak. Why is it not fixed in Debian 8?
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1823 [16:01:49] <Darcidride> Hi, I installed gnome-twitch and i'm on a Debian Jessie (Stable / Backports), I installed it with flatpak, but i'm wondering, how can I install backend-gstreamer dependency in my case ? (I didn't find a flatpak gstreamer backend package available)
1824 [16:02:17] <themill> no_gravity: bug number?
1825 [16:02:22] <jelly> no_gravity: if it's a known issue but only happes for some people, it may be noted and fixed in next release.
1826 [16:02:37] <no_gravity> jelly: I *think* it always leaks.
1827 [16:02:40] <no_gravity> I see it leak pretty fast on all Debian machines. Like 100MB per day or so.
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1832 [16:03:33] <jelly> root 1912 1 0 2016 ? 00:07:48 /usr/sbin/irqbalance --pid=/var/run/irqbalance.pid
1833 [16:03:34] <no_gravity> themill: Not sure if there is one for Debian. Googling "irqbalance memory leak" brings up a lot.
1834 [16:03:39] <jelly> ^^ does not leak
1835 [16:03:53] <jelly> there's a newer upstream version in jessie-backports
1836 [16:04:02] <jelly> you may try that
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1838 [16:04:02] <no_gravity> jelly: Is that on a server that is running under load and has some days of uptime?
1839 [16:04:17] <themill> no_gravity: if there's no bug report, it definitely doesn't get fixed.
1840 [16:04:18] <jelly> no_gravity: see that "2016", that's when the process started
1841 [16:04:27] <jelly> it's a year
1842 [16:04:27] <no_gravity> themill: Ubuntu has a bug number for it: replaced-url
1843 [16:04:42] <themill> Debian bugs have debian bug numbers
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1845 [16:04:46] <no_gravity> They say it's fixed in version 1.1
1846 [16:04:53] <jelly> if debian doesn't have the bug reported, it's not likely to get fixed in _debian_
1847 [16:05:03] <jelly> funny how that works
1848 [16:05:09] <themill> no report means no-one knows about it
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1851 [16:05:21] <jelly> ,v irqbalance
1852 [16:05:22] <judd> Package: irqbalance on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.0.3-3; wheezy-backports: 1.0.6-2~bpo70+1; jessie: 1.0.6-3; jessie-proposed-updates: 1.0.6-3+deb8u1; jessie-backports: 1.1.0-2~bpo8+1; stretch: 1.1.0-2.3; sid: 1.1.0-2.3
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1858 [16:06:19] <zxd> any idea why I get this when trying to mount ? mount /dev/sdb2 /a mount: block device /dev/sdb2 is write-protected, mounting read-only mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sdb2, missing codepage or helper program, or other error ...?
1859 [16:06:36] <jelly> no_gravity: that example was a mail server for ~100k users. It gets some load.
1860 [16:06:43] <no_gravity> themill: This seems to be a Debian bug number: replaced-url
1861 [16:06:44] <judd> Bug replaced-url
1862 [16:06:55] <no_gravity> jelly: Strange.
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1865 [16:07:40] <no_gravity> So it seems to be fixed. In the sense that its fixed in a newer version of irqbalance.
1866 [16:07:43] <no_gravity> But why do Debian 8 machines not get that fix?
1867 [16:07:43] <jelly> like I said, it doesn't happen for everyone (else I'd have noticed it quickly, having 100+ debian installs)
1868 [16:07:49] <zxd> fsck.ext4 /dev/sdb2 e2fsck 1.41.12 (17-May-2010) fsck.ext4: Operation not permitted while trying to open /dev/sdb2 You must have r/w access to the filesystem or be root
1869 [16:07:50] <zxd> I am root
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1872 [16:08:04] <jelly> !proposed-updates
1873 [16:08:04] <dpkg> stable-proposed-updates is a repository containing packages being prepared for the next <point release>. While they have already been, your additional testing is most welcome prior to wider release. replaced-url
1874 [16:08:14] <jelly> no_gravity: ^^ it's not enabled by default
1875 [16:08:27] <no_gravity> jelly: What is not enabled?
1876 [16:08:37] <jelly> the jessie-proposed-updates repo
1877 [16:09:03] <no_gravity> jelly: But why isn't fixed by default? I mean ... other stuff *is* fixed, right?
1878 [16:09:13] <jelly> <judd> Package: irqbalance on amd64 -- [...] jessie: 1.0.6-3; jessie-proposed-updates: 1.0.6-3+deb8u1; jessie-backports: 1.1.0-2~bpo8+1
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1881 [16:10:04] <jelly> no_gravity: because it was not considered a serious enough bug to warrant upload to the fastest security updates repo.
1882 [16:10:11] <themill> Is that s-p-u relevant to this bug?
1883 [16:10:31] <no_gravity> jelly: "fastest security updates repo"?
1884 [16:10:33] <themill> (seems to be for #784391)
1885 [16:10:34] <judd> Bug replaced-url
1886 [16:10:50] <themill> dpkg: tell no_gravity about s-p-u
1887 [16:10:51] <jelly> not sure, I didn't read the bts O:-)
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1891 [16:11:53] <jelly> no_gravity: fixes for stable get uploaded either to proposed-updates repo, or to security updates repo
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1895 [16:12:07] <jelly> nothing gets uploaded to stable repo directly
1896 [16:12:28] <themill> (path of least resistance is to get the package from jessie-backports)
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1898 [16:12:56] <jelly> its existence in backports suggests SOMEONE was aware the thing was buggy enough for at least some people
1899 [16:13:02] <petn-randall> ,v e2fsprogs
1900 [16:13:03] <judd> Package: e2fsprogs on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.42.5-1.1+deb7u1; wheezy-security: 1.42.5-1.1+deb7u1; jessie: 1.42.12-2+b1; jessie-backports: 1.43.3-1~bpo8+1; stretch: 1.43.4-2; sid: 1.43.4-2
1901 [16:13:17] <themill> jelly: or that there were other features people wanted
1902 [16:13:19] <petn-randall> zxd: What distro are you running?
1903 [16:13:37] <jelly> themill: it's irqbalance! It has one purpose and one feature!
1904 [16:13:37] <no_gravity> jelly: Or wait for the next point release?
1905 [16:13:40] <jelly> no_gravity: yes
1906 [16:13:46] <no_gravity> jelly: When will that be?
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1908 [16:13:51] <jelly> fiik
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1911 [16:14:29] <themill> there is no sign that this will be fixed in the next point release
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1913 [16:14:46] <zxd> petn-randall: debian
1914 [16:14:56] <no_gravity> themill: No?
1915 [16:15:09] <petn-randall> zxd: Which release?
1916 [16:15:10] <themill> no_gravity: what makes you say that it is?
1917 [16:15:17] <zxd> petn-randall: woody
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1919 [16:16:10] <jelly> lol
1920 [16:16:13] <petn-randall> zxd: And you installed e2fsprogs from a newer version?
1921 [16:16:13] <no_gravity> jelly: Jelly said so.
1922 [16:16:23] <no_gravity> themill: Jelly said so.
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1924 [16:16:44] <themill> no_gravity: no, jelly said that there was an updated package in progress not that it fixed this bug.
1925 [16:16:46] <jelly> no_gravity: I also said I didn't actually look at the bug reports to see which exact versions things got fixed in
1926 [16:16:53] <themill> no_gravity: you could test that package right now and find out if it does
1927 [16:17:05] <petn-randall> zxd: woody released 2002, and you are using e2fsck from 2010.
1928 [16:17:15] <themill> no_gravity: if you want it fixed in jessie (rather than jessie-backports), test out that patch and let the maintainer know that it works
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1930 [16:17:43] <no_gravity> Sounds scary.
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1932 [16:17:55] <themill> packages don't test themselves
1933 [16:18:08] <jelly> zxd: that error can mean no kernel driver for desired filesystem type is loaded
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1936 [16:19:30] <jelly> zxd: (that's for the mount error) if you have some sort of live or rescue image booted, try to "modprobe ext2" or "modprobe ext3"
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1941 [16:20:11] <zxd> lsmod |grep ext4 ext4 353979 1
1942 [16:20:19] <zxd> not livecd, machine with two hds
1943 [16:20:28] <petn-randall> zxd: So which release *are* you running?
1944 [16:20:36] <zxd> not sure
1945 [16:20:52] <zxd> why?
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1947 [16:21:04] <petn-randall> zxd: Because it's relevant to your problem.
1948 [16:21:13] <zxd> file -s /dev/sdb2 /dev/sdb2: Linux rev 1.0 ext4 filesystem data (needs journal recovery) (extents) (large files) (huge files)
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1950 [16:21:30] <petn-randall> zxd: Can you paste the output of 'apt-cache policy' to replaced-url
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1964 [16:28:14] <jelly> zxd: woody would not have been able to mount ext4 at all, it did not exist at that time
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1969 [16:29:43] <jelly> and reiserfs v3 was the shiz. Until people started losing data a lot
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2015 [16:52:22] <Verigo_89_89> Hi
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2021 [16:54:43] <centrx> !hi
2022 [16:54:43] <dpkg> hello, centrx
2023 [16:55:33] <_Nox> hi centrx
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2038 [17:00:25] <dadinn> has this bug been addressed? replaced-url
2039 [17:00:26] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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2042 [17:01:04] <dadinn> it seems to me the kvm keymap is still seriously fucked up
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2044 [17:01:58] <centrx> dadinn: Maybe now it's only moderately fucked up?
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2048 [17:03:46] <dondelelcaro> dadinn: it has been closed, but it's possible that the but has reappeared
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2057 [17:06:24] <dadinn> centrx: I use dvorak layout, and it seemingly does not help, I have been struggling for years to be able to get into an environment where debian doesn't discriminate against me (replaced-url
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2066 [17:09:31] <dadinn> Essentially I use dvorak on the host (it works fine), and would like to use it on the guest too (which doesn't work). It doesn't matter if I change the layout on the host to US English.
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2076 [17:15:16] <dadinn> dondelelcaro: can it be reopened?
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2079 [17:16:46] <dondelelcaro> dadinn: yes, if you're sure that's the right bug
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2084 [17:18:24] <dondelelcaro> dadinn: I'd actually file a new bug which has information on the specifics of what the conn-info is set to, what keymaps you're using, and how the keys aren't being properly mapped
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2087 [17:18:49] * dondelelcaro actually doesn't know much about the keyboard mapping, since I never use that particular bit
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2114 [17:35:37] <dadinn> dondelelcaro: what information would you need from me?
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2147 [17:53:46] <Enrico_Menotti> Hello. I'm running Debian 8 (Jessie). I need a cross-compiler. According to replaced-url
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2160 [18:01:05] <petn-randall> Enrico_Menotti: That page looks current to me.
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2170 [18:04:09] <Enrico_Menotti> So it is necessary to create the crosstools.list, pointing to emdebian.org, install the archive key, etc. In particular, it is not clear to me what the dpkg --add-architecture armhf instruction does.
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2173 [18:06:00] <petn-randall> Enrico_Menotti: It's explained in 'man dpkg'.
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2182 [18:06:51] <Enrico_Menotti> Ok, I will have a look there. Thanks.
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2223 [18:26:12] <dondelelcaro> dadinn: sorry for the delay; I actually don't need any information, but the bug report would need more information, about what keymap you are using, what type of console you were using, etc.
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2225 [18:26:33] <dondelelcaro> dadinn: basically, enough information so that someone who is reading the bug report could reproduce it
2226 [18:26:43] <crash_> when will firefox5.2-esr come to debian?
2227 [18:26:47] <crash_> *52
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2229 [18:27:00] <dondelelcaro> crash_: it's already in experimental
2230 [18:27:09] <autofsckk> /j debian-es
2231 [18:27:18] <dondelelcaro> ,versions firefox-esr
2232 [18:27:19] <judd> Package: firefox-esr on amd64 -- jessie: 45.6.0esr-1~deb8u1; wheezy-security: 45.8.0esr-1~deb7u1; jessie-security: 45.8.0esr-1~deb8u1; sid: 45.8.0esr-1; stretch: 45.8.0esr-1; jessie-backports/firefox-release: 52.0.2esr-1~bpo80+1; experimental: 52.0.2esr-1
2233 [18:27:22] <crash_> dondelelcaro: nice, it's on the way :)
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2303 [18:54:52] <tgunr> I am trying to use tshark to analyze an IPv6 RA problem, after installing tshark and trying to ececute it, I get a message "Wireshark doesn't appear to be located at /Applications/Wireshark.app." which looks like a Mac installation. Does tshark require wireshark? I do NOT want to have to install GTK.
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2312 [19:00:29] <OerHeks> tgunr, yes, tshark depends on wireshark-common
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2314 [19:00:55] <OerHeks> and libwireshark3
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2317 [19:01:23] <tgunr> but why the error about the application path
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2420 [19:35:12] <Enrico_Menotti> I have problems with the locales when accessing Debian via ssh from a Mac. On Debian I have set no standard locale. On the Mac, LANG is not set, LC_ALL neither, but all other LC_* variables are set to "C", except LC_CTYPE which is set to "UTF-8". When I connect to Debian via ssh, it complains it cannot set LC_CTYPE and LC_ALL to default locale (no such file or directory). If I login from the Debian machine, no
2421 [19:35:12] <Enrico_Menotti> problems.
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2424 [19:35:46] <greycat> !locales
2425 [19:35:47] <dpkg> Use 'dpkg-reconfigure locales' to get it up and running. This generates <locale> definitions and also edits /etc/default/locale which sets the $LANG environment variable at login time. Use "LANG=C command" to change the output language for a one off command, ask me about <localised errors>. See also <mac locales>. replaced-url
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2429 [19:36:27] <Enrico_Menotti> Seems Debian is not getting the settings from the Mac, or keeps on trying to set the default locale, which is not set. It is set as "none".
2430 [19:36:37] <Enrico_Menotti> I already tried with dpkg-reconfigure locales.
2431 [19:37:06] <greycat> replaced-url
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2433 [19:37:23] <Enrico_Menotti> Already read.
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2436 [19:37:51] <greycat> !mac locales
2437 [19:37:51] <dpkg> If you're getting "Cannot set LC_CTYPE to default locale" when connecting from an Apple Macintosh to a Debian host over ssh: (a) In Terminal, uncheck Settings->Advanced->"Set locale environment variables on startup", or (b) change SendEnv in ~/.ssh/config to not send LC_CTYPE (man ssh_config), or (c) change AcceptEnv on remote sshd, or (d) overwrite that value in your login scripts (.profile or similar).
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2447 [19:42:18] <Enrico_Menotti> Ok, I got it. But I don't understand what's going on. I'd like to have locale environment variables set on the Mac, and have them sent to the Debian server. If I understand it, on the Mac LC_CTYPE is set as UTF-8, and it should be sent to the server, which should accept it (everything seems to be set right on both client and server). So why is the server trying to set default values?
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2451 [19:44:07] <greycat> Too many unknowns. Did you check ssh_config on the client, sshd_config on the server, and /etc/default/locale on the server?
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2455 [19:45:34] <Enrico_Menotti> ssh_config on the client has SendEnv LANG LC_*. sshd_config on the server has AcceptEnv LANG LC_*. Let me check the /etc/default/locale.
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2466 [19:50:55] <Enrico_Menotti> The line setting LANG is commented out. Only LANGUAGE is set. But according to wiki.debian.org/Locale, LANG determines the default locale in the absence of other locale related environment variables. Since the other variables are sent from the Mac, it should not be necessary, right?
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2468 [19:52:07] <greycat> I don't have a Mac to test with. But I do it from HP-UX to Debian all the time.
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2471 [19:55:23] <greycat> replaced-url
2472 [19:55:51] <Enrico_Menotti> Ok. I see that, on the Mac, LANG is not set, so it is not sent to Debian. So Debian looks for it on the standard file. And doesn't find it. But why is it complaining about LC_CTYPE, which on Mac is UTF-8?
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2475 [19:56:19] <greycat> It's literally just "UTF-8" with no language?
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2477 [19:57:10] <Enrico_Menotti> Yes.
2478 [19:57:24] <greycat> Then it's complaining because that's not a valid value.
2479 [19:58:59] <Enrico_Menotti> But then if I run "locale" on Debian I get LC_CTYPE=UTF-8. But let me look at the terminal on the Debian machine.
2480 [19:59:06] <spooky> hey everyone. i'm looking for a very simple FTP server to setup on my machine. every FTP server i have found needs to be setup in terminal or by editing a script. is there one where i can do that thru a gui?
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2484 [19:59:48] <greycat> 2017 and people are still setting up FTP services
2485 [19:59:54] <greycat> Why....
2486 [20:00:15] <spooky> is there another way i can get a friend to send me some huge files without going through another party?
2487 [20:00:29] <greycat> sftp/scp
2488 [20:00:31] <sandiego> hi, i wish to know How to fix this issue, replaced-url
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2492 [20:01:15] <spooky> greycat: unaware of that
2493 [20:01:17] <spooky> looking into it
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2495 [20:02:37] <sandiego> replaced-url
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2498 [20:03:59] <baribal> spooky, saft was made for that purpose, and there's a successor to that already, too. Also, how about HTTP?
2499 [20:04:11] <sandiego> $100
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2501 [20:05:19] <spooky> baribal: i'm unaware of saft
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2504 [20:06:09] <sandiego> anyone advice me room for assistance under debian?
2505 [20:06:24] <spooky> is there something more simple to use? everything seems the only way to set it up is through the command line?
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2507 [20:07:08] <Azulflame> spooky, we recommend CLI here because it's easy to tell you what to type instead of walking you through a GUI
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2509 [20:07:16] <greycat> SFTP needs no setup at all. If openssh-server is installed, then you can SFTP in as any user (except root, or users with no password) with any SFTP client, of which there are GUI ones for Windows if you need that.
2510 [20:07:22] <Azulflame> and if you just need to copy large files, you should use the sneakernet
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2514 [20:08:51] <spooky> greycat: i got a very long url on how to setup SFTP: replaced-url
2515 [20:09:25] <greycat> Do you want me to write "apt-get install openssh-server" on a web page so you can have that as a URL?
2516 [20:10:11] <spooky> i think i installed that already because i tried to get vsftpd and proFTPD
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2524 [20:11:05] <mutante> just create a user and set their shell to "scponly" is also nice if you want them to copy files but not have shell
2525 [20:11:57] <spooky> unfortunately, i have no idea how to do that. or even understand what scponly is. i'm very new to debian hence was looking for something easier
2526 [20:12:12] <greycat> Then just use SFTP without changing ANY of the defaults.
2527 [20:12:12] <mutante> spooky: adduser
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2529 [20:12:19] <Enrico_Menotti> greycat On the server I have en_GB.UTF-8. So if I understand it, the LC_CTYPE on the Mac is not valid on Debian. I.e., Mac conventions are different from Debian's. Right? But other variables are set to "C" on the Mac. If I understand it, this means en_US with ASCII encoding, right? However, when I connect to Debian via ssh, these variables are not reflected to be set to "C". They are set to "en_UK.UTF-8" (that is
2530 [20:12:19] <Enrico_Menotti> what I choose to use on Debian). Note that if I run locale -a on Debian I get as available also "C".
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2532 [20:13:03] <mutante> spooky: we are trying to give you the easier variant already. not installing additional software = easier
2533 [20:13:37] <spooky> mutante: appreciate. i just don't understand some of the words used. i don't mind installing something if i'll understand what to do/how to do it
2534 [20:13:50] <spooky> installing openssh-server right now
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2536 [20:14:15] <mutante> spooky: ok, sounds good
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2545 [20:17:44] <spooky> after installing open-server, how do i use sftp? or start it?
2546 [20:18:14] <greycat> "sftp localhost" to check quickly
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2548 [20:18:32] <greycat> You can use that very much like a command-line FTP client. There are also graphical clients.
2549 [20:19:06] <spooky> yes. i wanted the graphical clients because they're easier for me to understand but i guess it's okay
2550 [20:19:29] <spooky> says the authenticity of host can't be established
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2554 [20:20:43] <qqx> That's normal the first time you connect to a host.
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2560 [20:21:17] <spooky> oh so it's normal not to be able to establish authenticity? thats fine then
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2562 [20:21:57] <spooky> is there anyway to start the server? to adjust things? i wish i had a way to "launch" a program and fix it as i see fit, but seems everything works in the background?
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2566 [20:22:43] <spooky> write failed: broken pipe
2567 [20:22:51] <spooky> couldn't read packet: connection reset by peer
2568 [20:23:04] <petn-randall> spooky: You can verify it by checking the host key fingerprint out-of-band. That means by looking it up on the host side, and using mail/telephone/SMS/whatever to send it to the receiving side on first use.
2569 [20:23:25] <spooky> thanks
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2572 [20:24:08] <spooky> here is where i'm confused: is my server now "online"? how do i see this? how do i turn it off? can i set some parameters for the enduser? how? can i see this? how can i see what my enduser/friend is doing?
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2574 [20:24:31] <Enrico_Menotti> greycat Ok, I was wrong, "C" sets the locale to default, which is not set on Debian. So clearly I get those errors. But Debian wiki states: If you chose a default locale other than None above, it will be in /etc/default/locale and will override the LANG variable supplied by ssh. This is highly inconvenient.
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2576 [20:25:25] <greycat> Enrico_Menotti: if you are reading the output of "locale", it may say "C" for variables that are not actually set. That's why I used "declare -p ..." in my pastebin.
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2578 [20:25:46] <greycat> spooky: try to sftp to it from another machine
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2580 [20:26:06] <spooky> okay
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2584 [20:29:39] <spooky> greycat: doesn't connect :P
2585 [20:29:58] <spooky> of course, i don't understand what i did anyway during the setup so.... maybe that's normal?
2586 [20:30:00] <spooky> haha
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2590 [20:31:15] <greycat> If "sftp localhost" works on the machine itself, but "sftp yourhostname" does not work from another machine, then it's probably a firewall issue.
2591 [20:31:27] <spooky> ah okay.
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2595 [20:32:04] <spooky> sftp localhost worked coz i got an ECDSA key fingerprint, but then the write failed with a broken pipe
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2599 [20:32:28] <spooky> anyway, thank you to EVERYONE that tried to help me
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2601 [20:32:48] <spooky> i'm sorry i don't understand what i'm doing. i'll read more into it and hopefully get something working
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2605 [20:34:13] <Enrico_Menotti> greycat So the situation is as follows. On Mac, I have "set locale environment variables on startup" enabled. But for some reason it doesn't set LANG, and maybe also other variables. So Debian doesn't get variables and looks for defaults, right? But defaults are not set, etc. Now: how to let defaults be only chosen if the Mac does not provide variables, and not if the Mac does?
2606 [20:34:49] <greycat> Are you QUITE sure you read the wiki's locales page? The part where it says to put this thing in /etc/profile?
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2614 [20:36:32] <theYellowRacer> where do I put my nonfree wifi drivers on the install usb?
2615 [20:36:40] <theYellowRacer> in /firmware?
2616 [20:36:52] <somiaj> theYellowRacer: you can't really put them on the same usb stick that you install from, you need a second usb stick
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2618 [20:36:55] <somiaj> !firmware images
2619 [20:36:55] <dpkg> Unofficial <netinst> images - containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for installing Debian 8 "Jessie" are available from replaced-url
2620 [20:37:05] <somiaj> theYellowRacer: I would just download the installer image that contains all the firmware
2621 [20:38:04] <theYellowRacer> i tried those images and they don't work. it still doesn't seem to recognize them on the usb. i'm using freebsd until i can get debian running.
2622 [20:38:31] <theYellowRacer> could it be a problem with rufus?
2623 [20:38:39] <theYellowRacer> (my image writer?)
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2632 [20:40:50] <Enrico_Menotti> greycat Yes I had read it, but I did not understand it fully. Also, they say "optionally", which led me to think this part to be unnecessary. Now maybe I got it better. But do I only have to edit the /etc/profile file, or also the /etc/csh/login.d/lang?
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2634 [20:40:58] <mutante> Shuttleworth announced Ubuntu is giving up on Unity and going back to Gnome. Seriously, aren't they just Debian at that point? wondering what differences even remain
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2636 [20:41:23] <greycat> Do you use csh?
2637 [20:41:30] <greycat> Do any of your users use csh?
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2640 [20:42:27] <Enrico_Menotti> I don't even know what it is. And there are no other users. So I am right in thinking this is not required. Just the last sentence, which is referring again to ssh, was misleading me.
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2646 [20:46:02] <jelly> mutante: their hardware support is better
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2648 [20:46:33] <jelly> also they _have_ paid support at all
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2650 [20:47:02] <jelly> people use Linux for more than workstations
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2652 [20:47:17] <orb> For some reason I can't seem to make pptpd work. I can't connect a windows box to it over the internet? Perhaps I'm just not finding the best howtos.
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2654 [20:47:32] <mutante> jelly: fair, i guess many companies want the "paid support" even if they actually never use it. but a manager of a manager is happy if there is a support contract
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2682 [20:56:27] <jolt> orb: I'm no expert (and since pptp is broken by design you shouldn't use it). But that being said, if pptpd is running, are you 100% sure that a) your firewall is open on the relevant ports (1723) and that the router you are trying to connect over/from has enabled proto 47? If that seems right, then TCP-dump on the host to see if traffic gets trough, and read logs if it can connect.
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2685 [20:57:41] <orb> the port, yes, but i don't know about protocol 47
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2687 [20:58:01] <orb> and yeah, i'm seeing it's quite not secure so I may just pass on it
2688 [20:58:10] <orb> thanks
2689 [20:58:12] <jolt> orb: Openvpn! Best VPN there was
2690 [20:58:33] <orb> ok, that may be the route i go
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2693 [20:59:23] <jolt> there are even ok windows clients for openvpn these days
2694 [20:59:29] <teraflops> yep
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2696 [21:00:16] <orb> excellent
2697 [21:00:32] <teraflops> orb: if you want the site-to-site approach tinc is a thing too
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2701 [21:03:14] <morphv> halo serach german debian
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2707 [21:05:23] <greycat> !de
2708 [21:05:23] <dpkg> Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de).
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2712 [21:08:14] <orb> i'll look into it, thanks teraflops
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2738 [21:18:53] <earlybird> There was an option to apt-get which would print apt's solution strategy a.k.a. solver output -oAPT::* something. I've lost the command and seem not to be able to find it by just googling. Anybody can help me out?
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2740 [21:19:15] <earlybird> It's NOT In the man page.
2741 [21:19:59] <Iridos> I don't even think apt-get is using different strategies…
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2744 [21:20:38] <Iridos> apt-get uses some different way to calculate needed packages than aptitude does
2745 [21:21:25] <morphv> thank you very much
2746 [21:21:32] <Iridos> which manpage, btw?
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2748 [21:21:36] <earlybird> Found it: -o Debug::pkgProblemResolver=1
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2751 [21:22:13] <earlybird> nevermind. Stupid Ruby1.8.
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2757 [21:23:21] <Iridos> and btw. that option IS in the manpage for apt.conf
2758 [21:23:42] <Iridos> · Debug::pkgProblemResolver enables output about the decisions made by dist-upgrade, upgrade, install, remove, purge.
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2811 [21:41:47] <Enrico_Menotti> greycat I experimented a bit and quite solved my problem, or at least I have found its nucleus, I think. If I unset LC_CTYPE on the Mac, and issue "locale", it is listed as "C". So evidently also the other variables listed as "C" are actually unset. Then if I ssh to Debian I don't get errors anymore. But all locales are set to POSIX. To have en_GB I need to specify it in the profile file, as explained in the wiki.
2812 [21:41:47] <Enrico_Menotti> Now my problem is: why on Mac LC_CTYPE is set in that strange way ("UTF-8")? And why the other variables are unset? But this is another topic, I think.
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2823 [21:46:37] <somiaj> Enrico_Menotti: if you run dpkg-reconfigure locales on the debian system, what is the default set to? Is it set correctly, or set to none?
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2825 [21:47:46] <c-c> Is it ok to ask people to test this openbox -desktop installer for Debian Jessie, on Debian Jessie or Stretch? replaced-url
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2827 [21:48:21] <Enrico_Menotti> somiaj It is intentionally set to none, as explained in Debian's wiki page: replaced-url
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2831 [21:49:02] <nkuttler> c-c: what is openbox -desktop ? openbox is already in debian
2832 [21:49:06] <greycat> Only if the other system actually *sends* a valid one.
2833 [21:49:28] <somiaj> Enrico_Menotti: just checking, and yes, if set to none it should let the user set it in various ways. Though if the system is only used by you, you could just set the defaults there if needed.
2834 [21:49:49] <somiaj> nkuttler: looks like a bash script to install/configure openbox and various other things...
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2836 [21:50:13] <greycat> somiaj: that fails horribly on an ssh server that you may connect to from multiple clients with different character encodings.
2837 [21:50:16] <c-c> nkuttler: openbox desktop, is an openbox desktop, like the lighter desktop kit like this one installs replaced-url
2838 [21:50:25] <nkuttler> c-c: generally speaking, nobody wants to see ads on irc
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2840 [21:51:11] <c-c> its a script for Debian Jessie
2841 [21:52:47] <c-c> nkuttler: it is basically the setup I use for my desk&laptop&netbook
2842 [21:53:09] <nkuttler> c-c: i'm not interested, but thanks
2843 [21:53:27] <c-c> nkuttler: np, thanks for your comments
2844 [21:53:55] <somiaj> c-c: there have been various scripts like that get mentioned here, very rarely does anyone actually use them. Partly because running random scripts (as root) without knowing what they do is dangerous
2845 [21:54:00] <nkuttler> c-c: also, your license is non-free
2846 [21:54:34] <c-c> wow, thanks for the pointer
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2849 [21:56:59] <theYellowRacer> if the drive on which I stored my ~/.ssh keys for my server failed, how do I get back in? Or should I nuke the server
2850 [21:57:37] <somiaj> do you not have a backup of your keys?
2851 [21:58:02] <theYellowRacer> no, I had just created them, and it failed 2 minutes later after I rebooted
2852 [21:58:03] <somiaj> did you disable password login? Do you have some recovery console you can get to to force a root login and change the keys?
2853 [21:58:21] <somiaj> do you have physical access to the machine?
2854 [21:58:24] <theYellowRacer> i think i have console from a web interface but i haven't checked
2855 [21:58:27] <theYellowRacer> i'll check
2856 [21:58:56] <theYellowRacer> better to do full drive backups in the future, huh
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2858 [21:59:11] <theYellowRacer> or at least my home directory
2859 [21:59:23] <mo1991_> now that compiz is back in debian (stretch) can anyone tell me how to change the theme of the window decorator?
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2861 [21:59:49] <theYellowRacer> oh there we go, i can just create a new key and update it through the web interface
2862 [22:00:10] <teraflops> most vps providers have serial console access thingy from inside the Web interface
2863 [22:00:18] <theYellowRacer> yep, mine does too
2864 [22:00:36] <theYellowRacer> it was just hard to find
2865 [22:01:12] <teraflops> mine used to use java or vnc..
2866 [22:01:14] <c-c> mo1991_: which one do you use?
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2872 [22:01:40] <jhutchins_wk> !webmin
2873 [22:01:40] <dpkg> Webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at replaced-url
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2875 [22:02:20] <c-c> use ssh
2876 [22:02:31] <mo1991_> c-c - the version that is now packaged with stretch. As for window decorator I use the default /usr/bin/gtk-window-decorator
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2878 [22:02:48] <mo1991_> good that compiz is "official" again
2879 [22:03:02] <blackflow> eh?
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2885 [22:03:19] <somiaj> mo1991_: more that the project came back to life, it was dead for a while, outdated and buggy (why it was orignially removed)
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2889 [22:03:51] <c-c> mo1991_: afaik gtk packages include several theme changers
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2891 [22:04:37] <emax0075> How would you manually configure a name record on Debain? My brother is using my VPN from Germany, so I want to screw with him
2892 [22:04:42] <mo1991_> c-c any suggestions? I have looked around in gconf-editor and dconf-editor as this used to be the way to change theme.
2893 [22:04:59] <mo1991_> it seems like these settings change a lot in various versions of compiz
2894 [22:05:00] <greycat> emax0075: /etc/hosts
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2898 [22:05:17] <c-c> mo1991_: in Jessie "gtk-chtheme",
2899 [22:05:27] <emax0075> thanks grey
2900 [22:06:23] <somiaj> c-c: there are various ways to change gtk themes, one is just wirte a .gtkrc-2.0 file or whatever it is called, sure something similar is there for gtk3, though I think gtk-chtheme is just gtk2
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2906 [22:08:31] <c-c> somiaj: mo1991_ on my openbox desktop, I just use the included OB Gui Config Tool, which has a theme changer
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2911 [22:09:06] <somiaj> I use to use gtk-theme-switch
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2913 [22:09:18] <somiaj> I was just saying you can do it by only editing a config file (thoug hthis dosn't give you a preview)
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2917 [22:10:18] <mo1991_> c-c I can change the gtk themes with gtk-chtheme but this only changes my xfce themes and not the window decorator that compiz uses. Perhaps compiz window decorator uses gtk3 as opposed to gtk2 as somaj hints at.....
2918 [22:10:29] <mo1991_> somiaj let me try that
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2922 [22:10:55] <somiaj> mo1991_: unsure what compiz uses, but that will only change gtk2 themes, gtk3 themes are different
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2924 [22:11:20] <DeaDSouL> hi, how to enable the virtual-keyboard in KDE ?
2925 [22:12:26] <c-c> somiaj: I suppose its the job of the desktop config gui
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2928 [22:13:43] <mo1991_> somiaj - installed gtk-theme-switch - i then try to run the command gtk-theme-switch and get a command not found. ???
2929 [22:14:13] <mo1991_> running stretch btw
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2932 [22:16:25] <somiaj> mo1991_: command is gtk-theme-switch2, note this program won't be any different than gtk-chtheme in what it affects, two different gtk2 theme changes.
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2934 [22:16:33] <somiaj> if the compiz isn't using gtk2 these won't work
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2943 [22:24:28] <mo1991_> somiaj - ya, none of these work. any way to tell what /usr/bin/gtk-window-decorator is using gtk wise? I have changed these themes before using dconf-editor, but the settings seem different on this newer version of compiz
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2945 [22:25:01] <somiaj> most likely it is gtk3, and you need a gtk3 theme utility
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2948 [22:26:32] <mo1991_> ya i don't seem to be able to find a good gtk3 theme utility so far, any ideas?
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2950 [22:27:49] <coke> good && gtk .. can't parse
2951 [22:28:24] <somiaj> I don't know any, I haven't done to much with gtk3
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2955 [22:29:22] <c-c> mo1991_: what is your desktop?
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2957 [22:32:14] <mo1991_> c-c xfce 4.12 with compiz - I have gnome default installed as well
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2966 [22:35:09] <c-c> mo1991_: try install & run lxappearance
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2975 [22:41:41] <Lady_Aleena> Hello. Is there a way to clean up the Firefox mess on my computer? I still see Iceweasel, Firefox-ESR, and Firefox when updating and upgrading. I only want to see the backported Firefox. So is there a Firefox clean up tool out there?
2976 [22:43:02] <somiaj> Lady_Aleena: you can remove the iceweasel package as it is just a meta package
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2978 [22:43:21] <mandeep> firefox-esr and firefox are also different packages aren't they?
2979 [22:43:25] <somiaj> firefox-esr and firefox are different, and firefox is not part of jessie
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2981 [22:43:50] <somiaj> Lady_Aleena: are you getting the firefox package form mozilla.debian.net, this is a different package than the firefox-esr provided in jessie.
2982 [22:44:06] <Lady_Aleena> somiaj, jessie-backports firefox
2983 [22:44:08] <somiaj> sorry iceweasel is transitional (not meata)
2984 [22:44:15] <somiaj> Lady_Aleena: that is from m.d.n
2985 [22:44:35] <Lady_Aleena> somiaj, what is m.d.n.
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2987 [22:44:44] <somiaj> mozilla.debian.net
2988 [22:44:45] <jelly> !mdn
2989 [22:44:45] <dpkg> For stable releases, newer versions of Firefox, Icedove and Iceape can be found at replaced-url
2990 [22:45:04] <jelly> Lady_Aleena: purge the packages you don't need
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2994 [22:46:05] <jelly> !installed
2995 [22:46:06] <dpkg> To list installed packages, dpkg -l |awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}'; or aptitude search -F '%p' '~i'; or ask me about <aptitude clone>, <debian clone>. See also <installed test>. For one package, use "dpkg -l packagename" or "apt-cache policy packagename" or (from squeeze onwards) "aptitude versions packagename".
2996 [22:46:09] <jelly> !purge
2997 [22:46:09] <dpkg> "purge" means to completely wipe away a package, including its configuration files. Use «aptitude purge $package» or «dpkg -P $package» (note: before wheezy, you can't 'apt-get purge' a package that is already removed; use aptitude or dpkg instead). To purge all "removed" packages: «aptitude purge '~c'». To restore configuration files, ask me about <confmiss>. Also ask me about <why aptitude>.
2998 [22:46:24] * greycat sees "experimental" and "firefox" and runs and hides
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3003 [22:51:10] <Lady_Aleena> ACK! Pages and pages of packages starting with 'lib'.
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3014 [22:56:36] <Lady_Aleena> It would be nice if there were just a list of programs installed by the main program instead of all the component parts listed. For example I have apache2 installed. Do I really need to see apache2-bin, apache2-data, apache2-doc, apache2-utils, libapache2-mod-perl, libapache2-reload-perl?
3015 [22:56:56] <greycat> Soounds like something aptitude should be able to tell you.
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3019 [22:58:00] <Lady_Aleena> greycat, I just don't understand why they are all listed separately, when they are all part of apache2.
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3022 [22:58:30] <greycat> Debian breaks source packages into a billion little binary packages for obscure reasons.
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3025 [22:59:35] <alekz> Lady_Aleena: you may not need to see that list, pero some other sysadmin do ;)
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3028 [22:59:57] <mo1991_> c-c xfce 4.12 with compiz - I have gnome default installed as well
3029 [23:00:07] <jelly> alekz: s/pero/but/ ?
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3032 [23:01:29] <Lady_Aleena> alekz, it is just frustrating looking at the output of dpkg -l |awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}' and not know what goes with what. It would be nice if the list were more organized.
3033 [23:01:36] <jelly> greycat: now that there's multiarch "same" to safely deal with multiple architecture debs shipping same files, the reasons are even more obscure than before
3034 [23:01:37] * greycat gets as far as aptitude list '?not(~M)' but does not know how to make it show only the package names/versions in a single line like dpkg, instead of dumping whole descriptions
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3037 [23:02:21] <war9407> Does anyone know why this happens? # conntrack -L -> conntrack v1.4.4 (conntrack-tools): Operation failed: Operation not supported
3038 [23:02:26] <alekz> sorry jelly haha, *but*
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3041 [23:03:15] <Voldenet> war9407: because the operation was not supported
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3043 [23:03:22] <Voldenet> you're welcome ;)
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3046 [23:03:47] <jelly> Lady_Aleena: I assumed you could use grep on "list installed packages" output, since I remember you having written perl scripts
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3048 [23:04:18] <jelly> war9407: which debian release and which kernel
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3051 [23:04:51] <Voldenet> war9407: what's your kernel and does `less /proc/net/nf_conntrack` show you anything?
3052 [23:04:53] <Lady_Aleena> At the bottom of the list is xorg and xserver-xorg with a whole bunch of other packages starting with xorg and xserver-xorg. It is maddening.
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3054 [23:05:13] <jelly> war9407: nf_conntrack_netlink should get autoloaded if you're using a distro kernel
3055 [23:05:14] <war9407> jelly: debian testing x86_64, conntrack 1.4.4, compiled my own -> 4.10.8
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3057 [23:05:41] <war9407> CONFIG_NETFILTER_NETLINK=y
3058 [23:05:51] <jelly> war9407: that's just the backend
3059 [23:05:56] <Lady_Aleena> I don't know if xserver-xorg is part of xorg or something else entirely.
3060 [23:06:16] <greycat> Oh come on.
3061 [23:07:07] <jelly> Lady_Aleena: what's your goal?
3062 [23:07:31] <Lady_Aleena> jelly, to get things organized on my system.
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3065 [23:07:55] <greycat> How does "organized" differ from the current state?
3066 [23:08:12] <Lady_Aleena> jelly, for example, just one firefox (the backported one so I have the newest version).
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3068 [23:08:33] <jelly> Lady_Aleena: why are you not grepping for firefox and iceweasel, then
3069 [23:08:40] <jelly> war9407: /boot/config-4.9.0-2-amd64:CONFIG_NF_CT_NETLINK=m
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3072 [23:09:05] <Lady_Aleena> jelly, I haven't worked on the command line for a while, so I have forgotten a lot.
3073 [23:09:55] <jelly> greycat: there are menu entries/icons for both Iceweasel and Firefox-ESR. And Firefox!
3074 [23:10:24] <jelly> there are menu entries/icons for all three of Iceweasel, Firefox-ESR, and Firefox. And Web Browser.
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3076 [23:10:31] <war9407> $ grep CONFIG_NF_CT_NETLI .config
3077 [23:10:31] <war9407> CONFIG_NF_CT_NETLINK=y , # CONFIG_NF_CT_NETLINK_TIMEOUT is not set # CONFIG_NF_CT_NETLINK_HELPER is not set
3078 [23:10:34] <war9407> maybe it needs the other two
3079 [23:11:20] <Lady_Aleena> jelly, so dpkg -l | grep '(firefox|iceweasel)'?
3080 [23:11:26] <jelly> war9407: tell us again why you're not using default stretch kernel, which has those enabled
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3082 [23:11:42] <Enrico_Menotti> I need an explanation about a statement in this Debian wiki page: replaced-url
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3084 [23:11:58] <jelly> Lady_Aleena: grep wants -E to be able to handle (...|...)
3085 [23:12:02] <war9407> jelly: been compiling my own kernel (static, no modules) for past 20+ yrs, just a habit I guess
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3088 [23:12:12] <zykotick9> dpkg -l | egrep '(firefox|iceweasel)'
3089 [23:12:12] <dpkg> No packages found matching | egrep '(firefox|iceweasel)'
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3093 [23:12:25] <Lady_Aleena> jelly, thank you.
3094 [23:12:31] <jelly> war9407: ah, I've lost that habit a decade or more back
3095 [23:12:49] <jelly> ,kernels
3096 [23:12:50] <judd> Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.10.0-rc6-686-pae (4.10~rc6-1~exp2); sid: 4.9.0-2-686 (4.9.18-1); stretch: 4.9.0-2-686 (4.9.13-1); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.2-686-pae (4.9.13-1~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.39-1+deb8u2); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.86-1)
3097 [23:13:02] <jelly> ,kernels --arch amd64
3098 [23:13:03] <judd> (kernels [--release <squeeze>]) -- Outputs the kernel versions in the archive, optionally restricted to one release. Note that semi-major releases like etchnhalf are treated as separate releases.
3099 [23:13:12] <jelly> meh
3100 [23:13:21] <war9407> jelly: Im building those in now and hopefully that fixes it, brb
3101 [23:13:25] <war9407> ty
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3103 [23:14:03] <jelly> there's 4.10.0-trunk-amd64 in experimental if you're after shiny new stuff for no reason
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3108 [23:14:41] <jelly> but only 4.10.7
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3117 [23:19:26] <jelly> ,v apt
3118 [23:19:27] <judd> Package: apt on amd64 -- wheezy-security: 0.9.7.9+deb7u6; wheezy: 0.9.7.9+deb7u7; jessie-security: 1.0.9.8.4; jessie: 1.0.9.8.4; stretch: 1.4~rc2; sid: 1.4
3119 [23:19:38] <jelly> Iridos: see?
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3122 [23:20:31] <Iridos> fake news!
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3127 [23:22:59] <Lady_Aleena> By the way, are we still on jessie as stable(?)?
3128 [23:23:43] <Iridos> yes … 8.7 according to /topic
3129 [23:23:43] <jelly> yes
3130 [23:23:44] <Lady_Aleena> When wheezy went to jessie, I was months behind.
3131 [23:24:04] <jelly> Iridos: someone removed the direct association of "jessie" and "stable" from topc
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3133 [23:24:37] <jelly> AFAIR it was someone with temporary access, they never got ops again
3134 [23:24:39] <Iridos> not necessarily a bad thing… the worst time to upgrade is when the fresh new stable release just came out ^^
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3136 [23:25:20] <Iridos> jelly, yeah, I can see that… in the text "point release 8.7 of Debian Jessie released! /msg dpkg jessie" the association is totally removed, I can see that
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3138 [23:25:57] <jelly> Iridos: don't see any stables there
3139 [23:26:00] <Iridos> jelly, but you're totally right… it's the real, important ops who should do that kinda thingsies ^^
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3141 [23:26:34] <Enrico_Menotti> Sorry, anybody noticed my question? (Don't want to be insistent, it's just in case.)
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3146 [23:28:09] <jelly> "bare" is probably "before you do anything else with that chroot". No idea what makes curl required there tho.
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3158 [23:32:23] <Enrico_Menotti> Ok, I will just try getting the archive key with curl in the main filesystem.
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3169 [23:36:56] <Iridos> if your chroot isn't bare… it's probably got curl installed?
3170 [23:37:30] <Iridos> jelly, anyway… you got the powa to put some staples in…
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