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6 [00:02:33] <Brigo> bubbely, try to write to /dev/dsp
7 [00:02:47] <bubbely> Brigo: in what format ?
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10 [00:03:14] <Brigo> bubbely, not sure try .wav
11 [00:03:21] <bubbely> hm ok
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13 [00:03:48] <Brigo> bubbely, if you just write a file you should get some noise at least.
14 [00:03:53] <Brigo> iirc
15 [00:03:55] <bubbely> yes
16 [00:03:57] <bubbely> that makes sense
17 [00:04:03] <bubbely> im trying for some noise brb
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28 [00:07:52] <Voldenet> bubbely: hm, if it's bluetooth then it might use a2dp or something, but i've never programmed on it
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30 [00:08:04] <Voldenet> but a2dp probably needs to do its handshake first
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32 [00:08:16] <bubbely> voldenet: can u show me a bit about a2dp?
33 [00:09:06] <Voldenet> but maybe a2dp is done on device level, so I'm not sure
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35 [00:09:20] <bubbely> i think a2dp is a format used to socket.write()
36 [00:09:43] <Voldenet> some random a2dp googled code replaced-url
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38 [00:10:29] <Voldenet> but then again, no idea
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45 [00:14:56] <Brigo> !tell bubbely about private
46 [00:15:13] <bubbely> sorry
47 [00:15:20] <bubbely> Brigo hey im not on a linux pc right now.. can u try writing a wav to that and tell me if it works / makes sound ?
48 [00:15:37] <Brigo> bubbely, no, i can't sorry
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133 [01:16:41] <neilthereildeil> hi
134 [01:16:48] <neilthereildeil> im trying to install npm in debian
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137 [01:17:05] <neilthereildeil> i installed nodejs package, but dont see npm
138 [01:17:11] <neilthereildeil> how can i install npm?
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140 [01:17:13] <sypher> ,v npm
141 [01:17:14] <judd> Package: npm on amd64 -- stretch: 1.4.21+ds-2; jessie: 1.4.21+ds-2; sid: 1.4.21+ds-2
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145 [01:17:36] <randy1985> I can't adjust my display resolution beyond simple 4:3 aspect ratios. I'm updated, but I don't know if it may be an issue with missing packages or something else. How can I fix this?
146 [01:17:37] <neilthereildeil> sypher: what does that mean?
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148 [01:17:48] <sypher> neilthereildeil: Install the npm package.
149 [01:18:03] <neilthereildeil> apt-get install npm
150 [01:18:07] <neilthereildeil> E: Unable to locate package npm
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155 [01:18:30] <sypher> neilthereildeil: What debian version are you running?
156 [01:18:51] <neilthereildeil> 7.11
157 [01:19:03] <sypher> neilthereildeil: Then upgrade to jessie.
158 [01:19:16] <neilthereildeil> i want one package. i ont wannaupgrade my whole OS
159 [01:19:21] <neilthereildeil> dont*
160 [01:19:29] <sypher> Well, there isn't an official debian package for your OS, nor is there a backport.
161 [01:19:37] <neilthereildeil> ahh
162 [01:19:40] <neilthereildeil> ok thanks
163 [01:19:54] <sypher> neilthereildeil: Sorry, I could have been a bit more clear and less grouchy about that.
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167 [01:20:39] <neilthereildeil> np thanks for the help
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178 [01:30:37] <Voldenet> neilthereildeil: what node version are you using? Doesn't your nodejs package include npm?
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180 [01:31:50] <sypher> Voldenet: In Debian, they're packaged separately.
181 [01:31:55] <sypher> ,v nodejs
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183 [01:31:56] <judd> Package: nodejs on amd64 -- wheezy-backports: 0.10.29~dfsg-1~bpo70+1; jessie: 0.10.29~dfsg-2; jessie-backports: 4.7.2~dfsg-2~bpo8+1; stretch: 4.7.2~dfsg-2+b1; sid: 4.8.1~dfsg-1; experimental: 6.9.2~dfsg-2
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185 [01:32:49] <Voldenet> sypher: eh, really? I've got `dpkg-query -L nodejs | grep npm | wc -l` > 2769 on jessie
186 [01:32:55] <sypher> Voldenet: On jessie.
187 [01:32:58] <Voldenet> Oh.
188 [01:33:00] <sypher> Voldenet: He's not on jessie.
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190 [01:33:29] <Voldenet> Ah, stretch
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244 [02:09:21] <blackflow> Just installed Stretch on my desktop machine. I see there's "chromium-widevine" package, but installing that seems insufficient to watch Netflix. What am I missing?
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250 [02:11:22] <wallbroken> is possible to select the init system during the installation?
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281 [02:31:58] <abff> You mean like switch to sysv?
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286 [02:33:48] <missmbob> blackflow: replaced-url
287 [02:33:49] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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289 [02:35:18] <missmbob> wallbroken: replaced-url
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291 [02:37:00] <blackflow> missmbob: I see, thanks!
292 [02:37:23] <missmbob> blackflow: i'm not sure if this works. may be worth trying if you really need it. replaced-url
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298 [02:40:00] <blackflow> missmbob: it's okay, I've installed Chrome too, I only need that for Netflix
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301 [02:40:53] <bazhang> blackflow, firefox supports netflix
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303 [02:42:38] <randy1985> what codec(s) does netflix use?
304 [02:43:12] <missmbob> google's vp8 and moving to vp9
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307 [02:46:55] <randy1985> and firefox supports that natively?
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309 [02:47:07] <missmbob> it does now. so does vivaldi
310 [02:47:48] <missmbob> and it's not "natively". all use widevine
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315 [02:50:09] <eck> what is widevine
316 [02:50:56] <missmbob> browser drm magic for viewing netflix
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322 [02:56:46] <blackflow> bazhang: but not the ESR version currently in Stretch
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325 [02:57:50] <hays_> is there a place i can/should put "sudo mknod /dev/net/tun c 10 200" so that it is created on boot?
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333 [03:06:01] <missmbob> hays: just throw it in /etc/rc.local and chmod +x it
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342 [03:11:29] <hays> blackflow: something like this? "mkdir -p /dev/net && mknod /dev/net/tun c 10 200 && chmod 0666 /dev/net/tun"
343 [03:11:39] <hays> erm missmbob ^
344 [03:11:55] <hays> sorry about that
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346 [03:12:13] <missmbob> sure. i have no idea what you're doing but whatever. if it's in that file it'll run as root on boot
347 [03:12:25] <missmbob> you have to chmod +x it to enable it the first time
348 [03:12:34] <hays> missmbob: its needed for the tun module
349 [03:12:38] <ee> Hello. I have heard that there is some security flaws regarding intel CPUs and that one should rather use AMD. Does it matter what AMD cpu one should have or can I take whatever? Anywhere I can read about this issue?
350 [03:13:29] <hays> missmbob: replaced-url
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481 [04:01:01] <Atm0spher1c> hi, how does the wipe before disk encryption work during debian install/setup of lvm encryption?
482 [04:01:56] <Atm0spher1c> curious because now that I think about it, my ssd failed 2 months after probably because I used that.
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484 [04:02:48] <Toba> why would you assume that?
485 [04:02:52] <Atm0spher1c> iirc something like dban shouldn't be used to wipe ssds
486 [04:02:54] <Toba> writing over it once is probably all it does.
487 [04:03:17] <Toba> you're assuming what debian does is like dban
488 [04:03:19] <Toba> and i'm assuming it's not
489 [04:03:23] <Atm0spher1c> no, but im wondering
490 [04:03:24] <Toba> neither of us knows :)
491 [04:03:28] <Toba> now I am too
492 [04:03:32] <Toba> but not enough to find out
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507 [04:16:02] <newcoder> Can I remove /var/cache/fontconfig/* ?
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514 [04:20:04] <CobaltSnax> I'm having an issue with an external, encrypted hard drive not mounting.
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519 [04:20:57] <CobaltSnax> I can see it in GNOME Partition Editor, but it will no longer mount.
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567 [04:50:57] <BlueProtoman> I have /boot and / on separate partitions. /boot (which is ext3) is failing to mount and I don't know why. Here's the log. replaced-url
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591 [05:10:08] <Voldenet> BlueProtoman: maybe try mounting it manually, without systemctl
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594 [05:10:23] <Voldenet> something like: mount /dev/disk/by-uuid/89462155-4731-47d7-a1f1-f8aeec62d8a5 /boot
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596 [05:10:58] <BlueProtoman> Voldenet: In emergency mode? Then what?
597 [05:11:12] <Voldenet> well, if it mounts, then you're done
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599 [05:12:16] <Voldenet> if it doesn't, maybe you get more info, error code 32 is "32 mount failure" in man
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602 [05:13:40] <Voldenet> you can also try mounting it with just "mount /boot"
603 [05:13:47] <Voldenet> it'll just read the line from fstab
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608 [05:14:19] <Voldenet> (also, dmesg might have some info)
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621 [05:23:19] <sorin-mihai> BlueProtoman, check the uuid again, 'lsblk' will give more info about the relative position/order of the partitions, while 'blkid' will give you more info, including the correct uuid
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627 [05:24:35] <LiuYan> `lsblk -o +uuid`, or `lsblk -O` will give UUID too
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630 [05:24:57] <sorin-mihai> also, while in emergency mode, after mount is done, press Ctrl+D and systemd should continue the booting process
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648 [05:31:15] <BlueProtoman> sorin-mihai: I did that, but I don't get any more console output
649 [05:32:09] <sorin-mihai> is the prompt back, or it's stuck?
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651 [05:32:40] <BlueProtoman> sorin-mihai: I can mount it fine, but when I do Ctrl-D the prompt appears to be stuck. However, if I force-poweroff the machine I get a message to that effect (forgot the exact text)
652 [05:33:10] <sorin-mihai> how did you mount it in the end?
653 [05:33:20] <BlueProtoman> mount /dev/sda1 /boot
654 [05:33:44] <BlueProtoman> However, it's still running because I can still try to SSH to it (i.e. it responds)
655 [05:34:30] <BlueProtoman> ...wait, I'm in!!!!
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657 [05:34:42] <Voldenet> commence hacking
658 [05:34:44] <sorin-mihai> edit /etc/fstab, switch to /dev/sda1 instead of uuid
659 [05:35:05] <BlueProtoman> Does the order of /etc/fstab entries matter?
660 [05:35:08] <sorin-mihai> at least until you can get the correct uuid in there
661 [05:35:34] <sorin-mihai> of course. systemd uses it to mount it
662 [05:35:43] <BlueProtoman> I have the right UUID, actually, but mount /dev/sda1 is how I mounted it on the command line
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666 [05:36:28] <sorin-mihai> then, if the booting process is done, you can umount it and remount using the uuid. does it mount? if yes, then double-check the fstab entry
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674 [05:40:38] <BlueProtoman> So which should go first in fstab; /, or /boot?
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677 [05:41:09] <tx> BlueProtoman: it doesn't matter
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680 [05:41:38] <sorin-mihai> wait, the order is not important. sorry, i misread
681 [05:41:41] <tx> dependencies are determined after reading the file
682 [05:41:56] <tx> it doesn't process the mounts by the order you define (necessarily)
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740 [06:02:31] <bertbob> the man page for fstab says order is important but that may be outdated
741 [06:03:18] <siyanmao1> Hello everyone，I configured kdump on debian 8, kernel 3.16. when i trigger a crash by using sysrq, capture kernel hangup at smpboot. Log here: replaced-url
742 [06:03:26] <siyanmao1> sorry for my
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744 [06:03:35] <siyanmao1> sorry for my english^
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746 [06:04:42] <aedinius> Now to sort out why my boot ssd keeps falling back to sata 1.5
747 [06:05:32] <aedinius> *sigh* I hope the SSD isn't dyin
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749 [06:06:12] <aedinius> SATA link keeps dying, comes back up, eventually goes from SATA-3 down to UDMA/33
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753 [06:09:33] <xyz___> hello, I'm having a problem with my computer. Over 9000 pts for help :3. Redirect me if you know of a channel that will know more about this. Here we go.
754 [06:10:14] <aedinius> Hm. SSD is 5 years old, I guess it's getitng time to replace it
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756 [06:11:12] <xyz___> I have a windows 10 box. Installed on it debian with a USB flash drive boot key. The drive is recognized when I plug it in but it doesn't recognize that it is a keyfile and returns me to the grub rescue screen
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764 [06:13:09] <xyz___> if tried to turn on/off + different usb ports, nothing. The debian os is recognized as an option to boot from but with out the keyfile it simply returns to the grub rescue screen as well.
765 [06:13:19] <xyz___> *I
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770 [06:16:24] <Hoolootwo> I'm having a problem with the netinstall image where it isn't seeing an internal hard drive on a small laptop
771 [06:16:45] <Hoolootwo> the nixos installer sees /dev/mmcblk0 fine
772 [06:16:51] <Hoolootwo> so it's not a linux problem
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779 [06:22:33] <somiaj> Hoolootwo: what kernel is nixos using? Could it be just not able to see it with the older 3.16 kernel with stable? If so a kernel from jessie-backports can help, but may not help see the drive.
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782 [06:24:03] <somiaj> I mean may not help see it during the isntall.
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784 [06:24:35] <Hoolootwo> yeah, if I can't see it during the install, it's not extremely helpful
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786 [06:25:47] <Hoolootwo> I'll try the testing image
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797 [06:39:21] <Hoolootwo> yeah, testing sees it
798 [06:39:52] <Hoolootwo> I was hoping to put my mom on stable, but I guess this is probably okay too
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807 [06:47:32] <Hoolootwo> ok so um now I'd like to set up a gpt partition table, is that default?
808 [06:47:42] <Hoolootwo> I am honestly confused by how this is not an option
809 [06:48:07] <somiaj> Hoolootwo: stretch is frozen, biggiest issue right now is no security support. If you really wanted to do stable, you could do a manual install from a live image with a newer kernel and install the jessie-backports kernel, it will see the the drive
810 [06:48:19] <somiaj> Hoolootwo: did you boot in legacy or efi mode? legacy will use mbr, efi will use gtp
811 [06:48:23] <somiaj> sorry gpt
812 [06:48:59] <Hoolootwo> oh, I'm not sure, I'm guessing legacy
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814 [06:49:13] <Hoolootwo> I guess that makes sense
815 [06:49:33] <somiaj> efi requires gpt, and legacy with gpt requires this extra mbr compadability partition/setup
816 [06:49:52] <somiaj> so I think unless you manually set it up you get the method based off how you boot
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821 [06:51:55] <Hoolootwo> I just restarted the installation to make sure I'm in EFI mode
822 [06:52:41] <Hoolootwo> what do you mean by 'no security support'?
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824 [06:53:24] <somiaj> no tiemly, stretch is frozen, and will get security and bug fixes, but these filter though sid first and may take 10+ days to make it into stretch.
825 [06:53:39] <Hoolootwo> oh, I see
826 [06:53:40] <somiaj> there are security mirrors up, but these will only get used for security issues deemed sever enough.
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828 [06:53:54] <somiaj> security support will offically start once the release happens sometime this summer.
829 [06:54:03] <somiaj> last I checked there were about 230 rc bugs to deal with
830 [06:54:29] <Hoolootwo> hmm :/
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832 [06:54:48] <somiaj> for desktop use it should be okay
833 [06:55:14] <Hoolootwo> yeah, it's going to be my mom's netbook, it probably won't be too big of an issue
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843 [07:04:11] <Hoolootwo> somiaj++ thanks for all the help!
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878 [07:23:23] <jvava> I have a gedit, which dont display anything about my just installed plugin of source-browser, which site say I need enable it under edit-preference of it, but I can not find where it is, my debian is jessie, could you please help me?
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893 [07:37:47] <somiaj> jvava: how did you install this plugin?
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897 [07:38:55] <jvava> somiaj, I executing apt-get install
898 [07:39:10] <somiaj> did you restart gedit after you installed this plugin?
899 [07:39:18] <somiaj> what was the name of the package?
900 [07:39:34] <jvava> yes, I restart many times
901 [07:39:41] <jvava> this plugin, gedit-source-code-browser-plugin
902 [07:40:32] <jvava> I remember that at the initial installation, on the top bar there is a menu contains current applications' menu, but now I can not found it
903 [07:40:44] <somiaj> jvava: what document type do you have open with gedit?
904 [07:41:11] <somiaj> jvava: or do you have a document open, also check to see if there is any info about special things you may need to do after the install in /usr/share/doc/gedit-source-code-browser-plugin
905 [07:41:57] <jvava> a golang source, but the same as any other doc
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907 [07:42:33] <jvava> somiaj, I check everywhere I can found
908 [07:43:23] <jvava> now gedit has a few menu, without a named edit menu
909 [07:43:51] <somiaj> I don't use gedit, is this on jessie or stretch?
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911 [07:44:12] <somiaj> just going over some things to check, but seems like you have already done that.
912 [07:44:14] <jvava> somiaj, on jessie
913 [07:44:34] <jvava> I miss the before menu on my top bar,
914 [07:44:37] <somiaj> are you using anything from jessie-backports?
915 [07:44:55] <jvava> I can not remember that, seems nothing
916 [07:45:18] <somiaj> look at the output of apt-cache policy gedit gedit-source-code-browser-plugin
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918 [07:45:25] <jvava> Activate the plugin in Gedit by choosing 'Edit > Preferences', the selecting the 'Plugins' tab, and checking the box next to 'Soucre Code Browser'.
919 [07:45:30] <somiaj> make sure that they are both either from jessie or jessie-backports.
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921 [07:45:52] <somiaj> and you can't find such an optoin under Edit > Preferences?
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923 [07:46:05] <jvava> yes, I can not find Edit
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926 [07:47:03] <somiaj> the only other thing I can think of is create a new user, log in with this new user and test. This means you have some config inside of $HOME messing with things.
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928 [07:47:10] <somiaj> well if it works that way
929 [07:47:28] <jvava> good idea, I will do
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934 [07:49:10] <jvava> thank you, somiaj
935 [07:49:29] <somiaj> was that the issue?
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938 [07:49:36] <gottigo> Reality Check, Joe Rogan [ replaced-url
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944 [07:50:49] <somiaj> gottigo: this is not a proper place for such posts, please stay on topic.
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946 [07:51:53] <jvava> somiaj, I have not try, wait a minute
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948 [07:52:56] <somiaj> jvava: ahh I thought you were sucessful, well hopefully it is the case, if not I don't know what else to look at. There may be more gnome specific channels that can help
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952 [07:55:17] <jvava> I use another box try, sorry, somiaj, the same problem.
953 [07:55:20] <gottigo> replaced-url
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956 [07:57:26] <BlueProtoman> test
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965 [08:06:58] <somiaj> jvava: got it to work, but that was stretch, let me double check on a jessie vm
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971 [08:08:44] <jvava> somiaj
972 [08:08:52] <jvava> solved
973 [08:09:35] <jvava> the activities menu is masked by another extension named taskbar, after I disable taskbar, I can find Edit menu in the activities
974 [08:10:45] <tjsimmons> Boy I'm bad at bash scripts
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977 [08:11:58] <jvava> now it is ok, somiaj
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981 [08:13:54] <somiaj> tjsimmons: there is #bash
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983 [08:14:31] <tjsimmons> somiaj: oh I know. I was just making a statement.
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993 [08:22:45] <dmark> hi
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997 [08:25:43] <dmark> i'm experiencing difficulties trying to install debian stretch in virtualbox
998 [08:26:00] <dmark> actually installing works but it won't start afterwards
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1076 [09:02:36] <latemus> i switched to unstable. iis it possible to switch back to stable, or must i re-install.
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1082 [09:06:48] <jolt> latemus: For your sanity I think an re-install would be better
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1143 [09:31:38] <latemus> jolt: thanks bro. i corrected my broken sources.list, things are looking better
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1159 [09:40:40] <Iridos> Which manpage or file has the full documentation of all the apt options like "APT::Get::Show-Upgraded"?
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1165 [09:44:10] <Iridos> or actually, taking one step back, I think the concernc that the manpage of cron-apt voices are outdated since packages are signed… so maybe it's time for me to have automated upgrades within stable… but I'd like toget mail *only* if anything new was installed and don't want to see the list of packages that are kept back over and over again
1166 [09:45:24] <Iridos> I guess I could skip cron-apt and just have a regular script do it and create a diff… but that'd mean I get a mail when packages are upgraded… and the day after when they're not
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1168 [09:45:57] <Iridos> except if I diff against a pre-prepared file… which would mean to manually fiddle if list of kept-back packages that I don't want to touch at that moment changes
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1172 [09:47:45] <krpt> Hi, I have several versions of kernels installed on my system and I'd wish to 'hold' onto a specific one . How can I freeze it ? ( avoid initrd updates and so on .. )
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1174 [09:48:10] <krpt> It's not the newer I wish to hold onto
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1178 [09:49:48] <krpt> downgrade and hold ?
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1224 [10:13:34] <ksk> Hey guys, if I add an interface called "dummy0" does it automaticly get "NOARP" - and does that mean it will not answer on arp requests?
1225 [10:13:47] <tx> names are names
1226 [10:13:51] <ksk> is there some hard-coded schema or why is that?
1227 [10:13:51] <tx> beyond that they mean nothing
1228 [10:13:59] <ksk> okay, thanks.
1229 [10:14:10] <tx> you can call the interface fruitloops
1230 [10:14:15] <tx> and it will still be an interface
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1236 [10:16:35] <ksk> okay, just wondering why it is NOARP right now, AFIAK I did not say that :>
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1339 [10:58:14] <Iridos> krpt…
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1343 [11:01:03] <jelly> ksk: what do you do to "add an interface" anyway
1344 [11:01:10] <os_> hi all
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1346 [11:02:33] <os_> i wonder where is openswan in jessie repositories
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1349 [11:05:14] <ksk> everything seems to be fine with that interface, but I have the issue that ipvsadm is not showing any connections for my LVS setup ;)
1350 [11:05:27] <ksk> I will debug that myself, thanks.
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1352 [11:06:13] <altyr> os_: replaced-url
1353 [11:06:14] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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1358 [11:07:14] <os_> altyr, thanks brother
1359 [11:07:29] <altyr> np. maybe try strongswan as suggested in the bug report
1360 [11:07:48] <os_> ok
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1382 [11:18:06] <serpente> hi
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1384 [11:19:17] <serpente> I cannot compile a kernel module on jessie (kernel 4.9.0 from backports): ld: cannot open output file drivers/net/ethernet/realtek/r8169.ko: Is a directory
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1398 [11:25:21] <bitlan_> hello
1399 [11:25:41] <bitlan_> what is the best solution for download file from server with multipleconnections?
1400 [11:25:53] <serpente> pray
1401 [11:26:05] <bitlan_> i ned download proxmox backup to my desktop (with debian)
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1404 [11:27:34] <ksk> bitlan_: use either rsync or http. you dont really need "multiplce connections" in like 9.5 of 10 cases.
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1408 [11:28:12] <ksk> Only if you have many many small files, and really fast harddisks
1409 [11:28:20] <bitlan_> ksk: OVH probably set speed limit per connection
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1411 [11:28:42] <blackflow> multiple connections make sense only if server is limiting single connection to a speed that's smaller than your inbound pipe
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1414 [11:28:56] <jelly> bitlan_: lftp has support for multiple connections, not sure if using all protocols
1415 [11:29:19] <jelly> but sftp, at least in theory, ought to be able to do that
1416 [11:29:21] <ayor> hello all. I wanted to get some advice. I have to install a fresh copy of debian on my laptop and i'm a bit on the fence
1417 [11:29:24] <blackflow> bitlan_: how big is the backup?
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1419 [11:30:19] <ayor> should I install jessie now and then just re-install stretch again when it's out
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1422 [11:30:40] <ayor> or should i go for Stretch rc2 and then just upgrade to release?
1423 [11:30:44] <jelly> bitlan_: yeah, it does.
1424 [11:30:52] <AppelIsBad> рш
1425 [11:30:56] <AppelIsBad> hi
1426 [11:31:06] <blackflow> ayor: I went directly to Stretch RC dvd iso last night
1427 [11:31:50] <ayor> blackflow, when the final release is out, can you upgrade your install seamlessly from the RC? I can't find an answer to this question
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1429 [11:32:03] <jelly> bitlan_: lftp, open sftp://your-ssh-user@server/, cd wherver, help pget
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1431 [11:32:22] <blackflow> ayor: yes, just upgrade
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1433 [11:32:40] <blackflow> ayor: make sure the apt sources state "stretch" and not "testing" so that will leave you on the Stretch branch
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1436 [11:32:55] <blackflow> ayor: it's like that by default when you install from the rc dvd iso
1437 [11:33:16] <jelly> ayor: you can, but the result may not match exactly what you'd get by reinstalling cleanly
1438 [11:33:51] <ayor> blackflow, ok thanks for the info
1439 [11:33:57] <ayor> jelly what are the cons?
1440 [11:34:25] <ayor> It just takes me quite some time to get my development environment set so i'm just trying to avoid a re-install if possible
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1447 [11:36:25] <ayor> another question regarding install. I was trying a netinstall, and I went on intel's website to download the firmware for my wifi card. I unzipped the contents and put it in the firmware folder on the install usb key but
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1451 [11:36:39] <ayor> during install my wifi card didn't get detected
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1453 [11:37:17] <ayor> any idea what I would be missing here?
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1470 [11:43:55] <blackflow> ayor: I've never had luck with firmware during the installation. So if you can use netinstall without it, just do it, you can always install firmware from non-free repo later
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1474 [11:46:41] <ayor> blackflow, ok thanks :)
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1505 [12:03:24] <hiya> Windows Movie Maker replacement for Debian?
1506 [12:03:25] <hiya> Anyone ?
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1511 [12:06:27] <petn-randall> hiya: What does it do?
1512 [12:07:17] <hiya> petn-randall, I need a program to create a small video clip by adding pictures and effects easily
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1514 [12:07:41] <hiya> to share with family over facebook etc for example for invitation to a party
1515 [12:07:50] <hiya> is Pitivi or Kdenlive good for it?
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1517 [12:08:32] <petn-randall> hiya: sure, try them and see.
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1534 [12:16:59] <serpente> I cannot compile a kernel module on jessie (kernel 4.9.0 from backports): ld: cannot open output file drivers/net/ethernet/realtek/r8169.ko: Is a directory
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1539 [12:18:26] <BluesKaj> hi folks
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1549 [12:21:32] <TEXM> Good Morning Bluekaj
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1552 [12:22:04] <BluesKaj> 'Morning TEXM
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1554 [12:22:12] <itsiam_> hiya: i used kdenlive for similar task. and avidemux
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1586 [12:35:41] <____Adam> Hi! I need some help, i would need a webcamera streamer software what can create a dummy node (feed other programs, like a browser) and can mirror the image horizontally. I cannot kick in webcamstudio, nor webcamoid, because of that roo password issue
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1610 [12:56:10] <Silicium> hi there
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1612 [12:56:37] <Silicium> is there a way to list all licenses (short) included in a package?
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1614 [12:56:56] <Silicium> the license.txt is not really machine readable
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1629 [13:03:38] <Iridos> did you mean the COPYING file?
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1632 [13:04:36] <Iridos> where do you see a license.text
1633 [13:04:59] <Iridos> (except for some specific packages)
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1639 [13:07:11] <Iridos> look at replaced-url
1640 [13:07:35] <jelly> Silicium: and replaced-url
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1642 [13:09:16] <Iridos> guess /usr/share/doc/*/copyright is the best one gets?
1643 [13:09:48] <jelly> best wait to see if they respond and clarify what they were actually looking at
1644 [13:09:58] <Silicium> yes but not parsable for all packages
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1647 [13:10:24] <jelly> Silicium: what did you mean by license.txt?
1648 [13:10:25] <Silicium> i need the short id of the license, License: sometimes contains the whole license text and multiple licenses
1649 [13:10:39] <Silicium> s/license.txt/copyright
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1651 [13:10:51] <jelly> Silicium: which debian release are you looking at?
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1654 [13:11:09] <Silicium> sadly i'am forced to use ubuntu
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1656 [13:11:50] <Silicium> debian_version is jessie/sid
1657 [13:11:57] <jelly> Silicium: you're asking in wrong channel then, we have no idea what ubuntu's policy about machine readable debian/copyright is, if any
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1660 [13:12:33] <Silicium> iam sure it is the same thing in debian
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1664 [13:12:42] <jelly> I'm very sure it's not.
1665 [13:12:48] <Silicium> :D
1666 [13:13:03] <jelly> go ask #ubuntu or #ubuntu-server
1667 [13:13:13] <Silicium> :(
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1669 [13:13:57] <jelly> even in Debian, usage of copyright-format/1.0 is, as the text says, optional
1670 [13:13:58] <Silicium> just looked into the same package on debian - its the same issue
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1672 [13:14:16] <Silicium> check the bsdutils package
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1674 [13:14:21] <jelly> Silicium: I'm sure the maintainer will accept your patches.
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1676 [13:14:31] <jelly> !reportbug
1677 [13:14:32] <dpkg> reportbug is used to submit bugs to the Debian <BTS>. Install reportbug, then run reportbug. See replaced-url
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1679 [13:14:50] <Silicium> so there is no other way to get the licenses?
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1682 [13:15:36] <jelly> Silicium: bsdutils in jessie has this as first line of copyright:
1683 [13:15:39] <jelly> Format: replaced-url
1684 [13:15:58] <jelly> (jessie is debian 8, the current release)
1685 [13:16:14] <Silicium> so this is a quiet new feature, i see
1686 [13:16:18] <Silicium> thx so far
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1688 [13:16:47] <jelly> so that one package is updated to use it
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1690 [13:17:20] <jelly> except on your release of ubuntu, which we know nothing about. Again. Go ask #ubuntu.
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1693 [13:17:40] <jelly> or use debian, that's fine, too :-)
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1714 [13:23:09] <helldorado> hi all
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1717 [13:24:53] <helldorado> I am trying to install a vm with 25G with a specific preseed. I have this error during installation and do not load my expert_recipe => partman-auto: Available disk space (26843) too small for expert recipe (41168); skipping
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1730 [13:28:50] <deathrose> hallo
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1737 [13:33:11] <DuckZ> hi, I downloaded [bmake_20160220.orig.tar.gz] and [bmake_20160220-2.debian.tar.xz] from here replaced-url
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1739 [13:33:21] <serpente> I cannot compile modules on 4.9.0: ld: cannot open output file drivers/net/ethernet/realtek/r8169.ko: Is a directory
1740 [13:33:27] <serpente> please help
1741 [13:33:29] <serpente> thanks
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1746 [13:34:19] <DuckZ> just building bmake didn't do it, I think because of this replaced-url
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1750 [13:37:34] <blackflow> serpente: building the kernel?
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1753 [13:39:05] <serpente> blackest_mamba: make oldconfig, make modules
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1755 [13:40:06] <blackflow> serpente: well, haven't done it on Debian yet, but did plenty of kernel builds on Gentoo. I'd suggest run make clean first. or, back up your .config somewhere and do a full clean sweep with mrproper
1756 [13:40:15] <serpente> blackflow: make oldconfig, make modules
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1774 [13:45:49] <Iridos> DuckZ, on debian systems apt-get source bmake does it all for you
1775 [13:46:45] <Iridos> one file just contains the debian directory
1776 [13:46:59] <Iridos> and that has a subdirectory debian/patches/
1777 [13:47:06] <DuckZ> Iridos: I wish... I'm on some super old centos :/
1778 [13:47:13] <Iridos> the rest seems kind of obvious
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1782 [13:48:28] <DuckZ> so if I get it right, I should apply the patches inside debian/patches before building, then compile, install, then copy euh... some stuff from debian/ into my prefix dir, is that right?
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1784 [13:49:14] <wildpenguin> hello, which is the default DE for Debian Stable? which DE is preferred by most debian users?
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1786 [13:51:38] <die7> wildpenguin: DE is Gnome , KDE, XFCE, LXDE, Mate but you can also install and use openbox, fluxbox
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1789 [13:52:14] <wildpenguin> which is most intuitive DE? especially for beginners?
1790 [13:52:19] <die7> wildpenguin: depends on what you like , for me is mate on desktop ok , it is based on old gnome-2
1791 [13:52:23] <sypher> Also cinnamon.
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1793 [13:52:31] <die7> sypher: jepp
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1805 [13:56:02] <b_jonas> I think I found out my problem. replaced-url
1806 [13:56:03] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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1808 [13:56:30] <b_jonas> So I'm actually running an older kernel, which I suspected, but I checked its name, and it has the same name as the most recent kernel, so I ruled it out.
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1810 [13:56:44] <b_jonas> I'll have to upgrade to the newer kernel, so that it matches the installed modules.
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1813 [13:57:28] <wildpenguin> ok
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1816 [13:58:30] <b_jonas> What's the boot time option to cause the init script to give me a root command line prompt before it tries to change from the initrd to the final root file system?
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1818 [13:59:04] <b_jonas> Although... that might not help me, the initrd probably won't be enough.
1819 [13:59:14] <b_jonas> I'll boot from a rescue disk or something.
1820 [13:59:23] <BluesKaj> wildpenguin, KDE/plasma has a more familiar look to former windows users, but it's a bit heavier on the cpu and gpu than other lighter DEs
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1835 [14:03:31] <DuckZ> if I apply the debian patches and copy the content of the directory into bmake's source it compiles fine but then make install fails: replaced-url
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1876 [14:22:25] <galex-713> How
1877 [14:22:30] <galex-713> *Hi
1878 [14:22:47] <galex-713> Any informations about digitally signing pdfs with free software?
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1882 [14:25:19] <tw> afaik, you can't, but I would also be interested in such information. The PDF2 specification makes it relatively easy to do, but it's not final.
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1884 [14:25:43] <abff> what does signing a pdf mean?
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1886 [14:26:03] <abff> Like a personal hash that only could have been you?
1887 [14:26:10] <abff> PGP style?
1888 [14:26:27] <tw> Apply a non-repudiatable digital signature using x509 issued by an identity provider like verisign.
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1890 [14:26:48] <abff> ew
1891 [14:27:10] <tw> It's standard enterprise stuff. GPG WOT is not enterprise friendly.
1892 [14:27:34] <abff> double ew
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1894 [14:27:42] <Stummi> gpg --sign file.pdf (*covers* ;) )
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1902 [14:29:51] <galex-713> x)
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1905 [14:30:33] <tw> As I understand it, PDF2 allows almost arbitrary cryptographic extensions, so you can use a GPG key, if someone makes a sign/verification spec & implementation for it.
1906 [14:30:41] <galex-713> cooooooool
1907 [14:30:43] <galex-713> :D
1908 [14:31:09] <tw> It just won't be accepted in enterprise, so it's super useless to me XD
1909 [14:31:22] <galex-713> tw, the worst option would be you would have to generate a self-signed X509 from your gpg key before to sign, since some software like gnutls allows the usage of pgp keys instead of x509
1910 [14:31:33] <Iridos> maybe php-tcpdf
1911 [14:31:39] <galex-713> tw: in France soon paying taxes will be mandatorily on-line
1912 [14:32:00] <galex-713> and you sign cryptographically a PDF form
1913 [14:32:12] <galex-713> Iridos, ?
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1915 [14:32:29] <galex-713> tw, yet I thought it was PDF 1.5 or 1.6 that allowed crypto signatures
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1917 [14:32:41] <Iridos> galex-713, apt-cache show php-tcpdf | grep -i sign
1918 [14:33:00] <Iridos> and yes, php
1919 [14:33:01] <galex-713> I heard poppler has kinda began to build experimental support for pdf certifications… back in 2008…
1920 [14:33:04] <galex-713> :/
1921 [14:33:06] <galex-713> php :/
1922 [14:33:24] <Iridos> well, I'll just not tell you what I found next time
1923 [14:33:26] <tw> galex-713: Sure, but that's in the dark days of non-standard PDF spec. When it was still under the Adobe umbrella.
1924 [14:33:27] <jelly> galex-713: it seems there are pdf signage CLOUD solutions now
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1926 [14:33:30] <Iridos> and maybe skip the search
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1928 [14:33:52] <galex-713> jelly, what?
1929 [14:33:58] <galex-713> what CLOUD is?
1930 [14:34:01] <galex-713> is it in debian?
1931 [14:34:03] <jelly> you "merely" have to send your pdf and crypto over to some online service... replaced-url
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1933 [14:34:19] <Iridos> yay
1934 [14:34:19] <galex-713> tw, PDF2 is not anymore adobe? :DD
1935 [14:34:31] <galex-713> jelly, ah xD
1936 [14:34:39] <galex-713> sending private key over network, yay
1937 [14:34:49] <jelly> I have no idea how it actually works
1938 [14:34:51] <tw> pdf1.7 is standardized, but it refers to a number of non-standard specifications, including the adobe-js spec.
1939 [14:35:00] <abff> yay.
1940 [14:35:04] <tw> it's a shitstorm of sadness =(
1941 [14:35:22] <galex-713> Iridos, at least if a php lib implements it, it means if it’s not implemented in poppler that’s not because it’s too difficult but because nobody is working on it
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1943 [14:36:12] <galex-713> is poppler (the library) official channel #poppler on this irc network?
1944 [14:36:32] <Iridos> also… searching the debian archives only searches through the package descriptions
1945 [14:37:34] <Iridos> anyway libpoppler is only for rendering?
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1949 [14:39:10] <galex-713> Iridos, poppler is for pdf in general
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1951 [14:39:18] <galex-713> programs using poppler just are the UI
1952 [14:39:44] <galex-713> but afaik poppler deals with PDF format/standards/features, text selection, pdf edits, etc.
1953 [14:39:50] <Iridos> that's why it's called " PDF rendering library"?
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1959 [14:40:32] <Iridos> in the package description and on replaced-url
1960 [14:40:44] <galex-713> you know, gecko is a “render engine” and it deals with crypto
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1965 [14:41:20] <galex-713> I saw some tentatives from 2008 to implement PDF signatures and it says it requires modifications to both poppler and evince|okular|whatever
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1967 [14:42:05] <Iridos> where does gecko deal with encryption?
1968 [14:42:13] <Iridos> anyway… not everything that's horrible is a comparison
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1972 [14:43:19] <Papillon> there's still postscript that it's all based on but it doesn't have a lot of features?
1973 [14:43:37] <gaddafi_00> Hi. Im new here. I am planning to move from Ubuntu onto Debian. What would you recommend so that I can get up and quick with it.
1974 [14:43:38] <galex-713> replaced-url
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1976 [14:44:10] <galex-713> gaddafi_00, what do you mean?
1977 [14:44:26] <galex-713> do you mean like “is it possible to use Unity and to have a roll-release distro”?
1978 [14:45:01] <gaddafi_00> No. I hate Unity. Im on KDE (Kubuntu).
1979 [14:45:07] <Iridos> verifying a signature would be a task I might see the renderer do… signing on the ohter hand…
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1981 [14:45:24] <gaddafi_00> I wanna know if there are notable differences between the distros
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1983 [14:46:17] <Papillon> small differences in the interface I guess
1984 [14:46:20] <galex-713> Iridos, replaced-url
1985 [14:46:21] <BluesKaj> galex-713, sort of, if you keep your packages up to date
1986 [14:46:57] <Iridos> gaddafi_00, debian stable usually has older packages than ubuntu, because package versions don't change during a release to guarantee as much as possible that no new bugs get in… and one major difference is that firmware (for wlan etc.) is not in the debian main archives or the normal installer CD because firmware was considered non-free and moved out
1987 [14:47:22] <Iridos> there are inofficial installer images that include the firmware, though, if you need to e.g. install via wlan
1988 [14:47:43] <galex-713> gaddafi_00, use testing and it will globally rolling-release like ubuntu except it will be a bit less stable and maybe a lot more difficult to get support (and a bit little more than for debian stable)
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1990 [14:48:33] <galex-713> gaddafi_00, also mostly non-free hardware is not supported but you can still either install manually the non-free software (dunno how), or purchase free hardware (not that difficult)
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1993 [14:48:55] <Iridos> we don't don't suggest using testing because testing implies that you're willing to fix and report bugs (and are able to do so, i.e. know your way around the system)
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1997 [14:49:17] <abff> gaddafi_00 Id start with a live USB replaced-url
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1999 [14:49:43] <abff> I use XFCE, I installed from my live usb and I never went back :)
2000 [14:49:47] <galex-713> gaddafi_00, but globally ubuntu is just like debian except it’s a big company providing lot of non-free software and a lot more known so with a bigger community (but you can still ask support on ubuntu community when you’re using debian and vice versa, works most of time)
2001 [14:49:57] <gaddafi_00> abff, Let me download it and try out.
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2003 [14:50:51] <Iridos> gaddafi_00, this is kind of a special time, though… stretch has been frozen for a while… which means that no new versions get in only as many bugfixes as possible … when the bug count reaches a practical zero, stretch will be released
2004 [14:51:13] <OerHeks> galex-713, debian channels and ubuntu channels disagree, one can ask, but getting the right answer is unlikely
2005 [14:51:16] <Iridos> so in this case it might be pretty worthwhile to install stretch and help finding and fixing more bugs
2006 [14:51:34] <galex-713> OerHeks, saw a lot of that on forums
2007 [14:51:48] <Iridos> galex-713, you were just saying that debian es the same as ubuntu only that it's totally different
2008 [14:51:53] <gaddafi_00> galex-713, Thank you. But if I switch my servers from Ubuntu, I will not have a very hard timw
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2010 [14:53:12] <galex-713> Iridos, depend of what is the same and what is not, actually at a first shot I tend to explain the main differences that can be seen from an ubuntu user
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2014 [14:54:06] <galex-713> but sorry I let you explain ^^
2015 [14:54:10] <Iridos> galex-713, and you should never ask ubuntu support questions here… it's extremely frustrating for the people answering it in here and will get you slapped around for it if it's found out after an hour of fruitless search because basic assumptions true for debian just aren't true for something randomly based on it
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2019 [14:54:43] <galex-713> gaddafi_00, might be a lot different when we speak about servers and not basic desktop usage
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2026 [14:55:40] <galex-713> Iridos, yeah, I was mostly thinking to newbie debian users asking on ubuntu forums/sx, and sometimes ubuntu users asking on debian forums, less irc, and more debian->ubuntu than the opposite
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2032 [14:56:59] <blackflow> gaddafi_00: most notable differences? Ubuntu specific software. Not just Unity and upcoming Mir (if it ever comes out), but Ubuntu specific patches to many other packages, the kernel, ...
2033 [14:57:34] <blackflow> gaddafi_00: knowledge of Debian will apply to Ubuntu, but more than the other way around
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2037 [14:59:13] <galex-713> blackflow, +1, mostly what I tried to say yet terribly ^^'
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2040 [14:59:40] <blackflow> After three years of running Ubuntu on my main desktop and some servers, (because I can, and why not), got fed up with constant breakage of things in Ubuntu, and switched back to Debian. The servers will be switched back on next upgrade cycle, I dodged a few bullets there too, even with the LTS (S != stable :) )
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2046 [15:02:58] <jeddi> Consider replaced-url
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2048 [15:04:07] <AppelIsBad> hi, Why the debian-software is so old as the dinosaurs?
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2050 [15:04:23] <jeddi> AppelIsBad: it's not.
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2052 [15:04:30] <petn-randall> !tell AppelIsBad -about sns
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2055 [15:04:44] <petn-randall> !tell AppelIsBad -about stable
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2058 [15:05:19] <Habitual> Is that like one of the most asked questions?
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2060 [15:06:25] <petn-randall> Habitual: No, the other half is complaining why Debian is adopting so much new things like 256 color terminals or a init system from the 21st century.
2061 [15:06:40] <tw> I'm in the latter group.
2062 [15:06:55] * petn-randall loves his 256 colours.
2063 [15:07:01] <tw> serial console + busybox init ;)
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2065 [15:07:06] <Habitual> ^
2066 [15:07:15] <jeddi> 8 colours (plus bold combinations) should be enough for everyone.
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2068 [15:07:35] <Habitual> well, if it doesn't break?
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2072 [15:07:57] <Elirips> why even colors?
2073 [15:08:01] <petn-randall> AppelIsBad: If your actual question is "where do I get more current Debian packages from?", the answer is "backports".
2074 [15:08:12] <petn-randall> !tell AppelIsBad -about jessie backports
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2076 [15:08:16] <jeddi> or 'testing / unstable'
2077 [15:08:21] <Habitual> ^
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2079 [15:08:35] <petn-randall> Not recommended for beginners.
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2081 [15:08:42] <BluesKaj> what about contrib non-free ?
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2084 [15:09:15] <blackflow> 256 colors was first available on vga 320x240 pixel mode. twenty years later, 256 colors in 320x240 column terminals (4k displays) :)
2085 [15:09:17] <jeddi> petn-randall: appreciate that. but ... unstable's been delightfully trouble-free for me the past several years. used to have some serious packaging issues every few months back in the late 90's through mid 00's. maybe i'm just slower to upgrade regularly these days.
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2092 [15:10:42] <petn-randall> jeddi: Nice it works for you, but not too long ago it broke for every nvidia user out there, just as an example. And it does need some fixing here and there from time to time.
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2100 [15:11:52] <jeddi> petn-randall: i must have not been updating back then (i run proprietary nvidia modules on a few of my boxes). i've always assumed if people think software > 3yo is analogous to dinosaur epoch ... they want to live a little closer to the edge. ;)
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2114 [15:14:48] <petn-randall> jeddi: Sure, but testing/sid is *not* a rolling release, you're beta-testing software for the upcoming release. So recommending to upgrade should come with a big, fat boilerplate stating that.
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2118 [15:16:17] <petn-randall> jeddi: Also, channel policy is, if you have to ask "Should I upgrade to testing?", then the answer is always "no". :)
2119 [15:16:47] <jeddi> fairy nuff.
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2139 [15:24:41] <slunatecqo> hi guys - I am trying to make NFS work. I started a NFS server in container that seems to work perfectly and than mount it (commands and outputs replaced-url
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2141 [15:25:13] <slunatecqo> The wierder thing is, that I belive 2 days ago I mounted exactly this way...
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2147 [15:28:27] <slunatecqo> ok - probably solved the incorrect mount option by restarting rpcbind and nfs-common - but now I am getting replaced-url
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2150 [15:30:30] <Papillon> they should have used the spruce goose for the berlin airlift
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2153 [15:30:45] <jim> (2 separate questions) does python2, and does python3, have anything to do with core or packaging stuff in debian? (like, is debian core functionality likely to be broken if python were to be upgraded or otherwise changed?)
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2161 [15:31:23] <Papillon> replaced-url
2162 [15:31:27] <Papillon> firewall problem?
2163 [15:31:28] <BluesKaj> Papillon, intersting thought, but where could it land ?
2164 [15:31:30] <jim> (the question in the ()s can be split into py2 and py3)
2165 [15:31:53] <Papillon> berlin has a river
2166 [15:32:04] <jim> BluesKaj, heya
2167 [15:32:24] <Papillon> havel river?
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2169 [15:32:46] <Papillon> tegeler see?
2170 [15:33:02] <BluesKaj> yeah ok, but does it have a 3km straight stretch >
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2174 [15:34:46] <themill> jim: you can cheerfully break every package that starts with "python" in doing this in a way that prevents future installations and upgrades with apt.
2175 [15:34:46] <Papillon> I think so. Question is can a seaplane land on a frozen river, and if so, how thick does the ice need to be
2176 [15:34:50] <petn-randall> Papillon: Wrong channel?
2177 [15:34:51] <sypher> !chat
2178 [15:34:52] <dpkg> This is not a chat channel, this is a Debian user support channel. Unless you have a Debian support question, please chat elsewhere, like #moocows on irc.oftc.net or ##chat on irc.freenode.net.
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2183 [15:35:20] <Papillon> I was making a joke about someone who asked for any ideas
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2185 [15:35:59] <BluesKaj> oops
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2190 [15:37:14] <jim> themill, I'm not sure I understand... you're saying python isn't involved in core debian functionality?
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2195 [15:37:53] <BluesKaj> Hi jim
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2200 [15:39:34] <themill> jim: you'd need to define "core debian functionality". There are 48k packages.
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2203 [15:40:18] <jim> themill, for one thing, does either python 2 or 3 have any involvement in packaging/
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2205 [15:40:20] <jim> ?
2206 [15:40:23] <blackflow> jim: are you concerned about things breaking like they do on gentoo if mess with python?
2207 [15:40:29] <blackflow> *if you mess
2208 [15:40:40] <themill> jim: sure, they are used by every package with "python" in the name
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2214 [15:41:24] <themill> and you can make it so that no python-using package can be installed or upgraded (and hence no package can be installed or upgraded)
2215 [15:42:06] <jim> themill, so by that, you mean that there are some modules used by python, that probably have a depend on python 2 or 3
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2218 [15:42:33] <themill> I have no idea what you're saying
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2224 [15:43:49] <themill> IRC does hypotheticals badly. How about asking a concrete question.
2225 [15:43:51] <sypher> I think he's asking "Will I break Debian if I install a different Python version, or remove Python."
2226 [15:43:52] <jim> themill, my question is more, is python used (say) as a scripting language for things like apt, apt-get, aptitude, etc, such that, if the python were broken, it would generally prevent package installs?
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2229 [15:44:15] <themill> apt does not use python. maintainer scripts use python
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2232 [15:44:29] <Papillon> is there a way to see a list of essential packages?
2233 [15:44:39] <themill> Papillon: aptitude search ~E
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2238 [15:45:03] <themill> (note that apt incorrectly adds itself to that list)
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2242 [15:45:58] <jim> themill, is that true of some packages that don't have python in the name? is it therefore true that packages having python maintainer scripts, pre-depend on python?
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2244 [15:46:25] <themill> they don't need to pre-depend on python
2245 [15:46:42] <sypher> This is an X/Y problem.
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2248 [15:46:50] <jim> is some version of python in the base?
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2250 [15:46:55] <petn-randall> !goal
2251 [15:46:55] <dpkg> Describe your goal, not what you think the solution is.
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2254 [15:47:07] <Papillon> I don't think python is in base
2255 [15:47:10] <themill> jim: please ask your real question, this is boring and/or frustrating
2256 [15:47:15] <themill> there is no "base"
2257 [15:47:31] <centrx> He wants to know, if python is broken, will it break apt, etc. (dpkg?) preventing package installs
2258 [15:47:33] <petn-randall> Maybe in baseball? But that's offtopic.
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2261 [15:47:50] <themill> centrx: which I have said "yes" to about 10 times now.
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2264 [15:48:15] <Papillon> apt seems to be c, it doesn't require python
2265 [15:48:21] <themill> *sigh*
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2267 [15:48:23] <jim> ok, good enough
2268 [15:48:27] <Papillon> it doesn't even recommend or suggest python
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2270 [15:48:42] <Papillon> python doesn't even enhance apt
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2273 [15:48:57] <Papillon> replaced-url
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2275 [15:49:10] <themill> How I wish reading were involved in text-based media.
2276 [15:49:19] <jim> Papillon, but one thing that would break, would be those packages whose maint scripts are in python
2277 [15:49:34] <themill> s/are in/call/
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2279 [15:49:46] <Papillon> if a package has a script that requires python that package presumably would require python
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2282 [15:50:41] <Papillon> like of you had a dvr front end program that used python scripts, pythondvrfrontend, pythondvrfrontend would require python
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2286 [15:51:12] <jim> that was one question I had: in such a package, would there be a -pre- depend on python? or, is some version/build of python in the base?
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2288 [15:51:37] <BluesKaj> like pytivo
2289 [15:51:42] <themill> there still is no base.
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2291 [15:51:53] <themill> and there is still no need for a pre-depends
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2293 [15:52:49] <jim> ok, what mechanism replaces the one that makes sure that python is installed before installing a packages whose maint scripts use it?
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2296 [15:53:23] <themill> "Depends: python" is enough
2297 [15:54:05] <sypher> Also note that lsb-release depends on python.
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2299 [15:54:28] <tdn> I am trying to install Debian 8 on an SSD and then install Grub on MBR on a USB thumb drive. This fails, however. Is it not possible to install Grub on MBR on a USB device? Note, I also chose to put /boot on the USB device.
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2304 [15:55:28] <nkuttler> tdn: you can install grub on any device you want. not sure though how flexible the installer is
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2306 [15:55:33] <Papillon> is MBR a feature of the old partition format the one before gpt?
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2308 [15:55:51] <newcoder> How can I remove files with rc? rc texlive-lang-korean
2309 [15:55:54] <jim> oh, on to the "there is no base"... how would the mechanism that builds a netinstall that contains this thing (if it's not a base, what's it called?) know what packages to include in the image?
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2313 [15:56:40] <tdn> nkuttler, why would it even know the difference between it being a USB device and a real HDD?
2314 [15:56:43] <sypher> What is the point of this line of questioning?
2315 [15:56:47] <BluesKaj> tdn, why are you making it so difficult for yourself , install grub on the ssd, unless you have other reasons that I can't think of
2316 [15:56:54] <tdn> Papillon, what should I use instead? This is what the insatller tries to do
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2318 [15:57:00] <Iridos> newcoder, "purge" … look in the manpage of aptitude/apt-get/apt/whatever you use for exact usage (it differs)
2319 [15:57:02] <tdn> BluesKaj, I cannot boot from the USB
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2321 [15:57:31] <nkuttler> tdn: i'd think the installer uses the disk where /boot is, if the interface doesn't allow to customize that just run grub-install from a shell?
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2323 [15:57:57] <themill> jim: you define an installation target and then find all the packages that are needed to fulfil the dependencies. Priority:standard + bootloader + kernel for the netinst image -- but none of those are required for a debian installation. (the KDE image also has task-kde-desktop etc).
2324 [15:57:59] <newcoder> tripkin: I don't want to remove individually. How can I remove all files with rc?
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2326 [15:58:14] <tdn> BluesKaj, this is an HP server with room for 4 storage disks + one 5th system disk (The SSD). The 5th disk is where I install Debian. The 5th disk, however, does is not bootable. So I would install grub and /boot on a USB that I insert into the board inside the case.
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2328 [15:58:31] <tdn> nkuttler, the installed explicitly asks me where to install grub to MBR
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2331 [15:58:46] <nkuttler> tdn: and the usb drive doesn't show up?
2332 [15:58:53] <jim> standard?! standard is huge! doesn't it include build-essential and tex?
2333 [15:58:59] <themill> no.
2334 [15:59:24] <tdn> nkuttler, yes, it does show up as /dev/sdc. And I can select it. But grub install to MBR fails. It does not say why.
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2339 [15:59:39] <nkuttler> tdn: run grub-install from a shell
2340 [15:59:43] <tdn> nkuttler, the USB is also present during isntall. That is how I chose to isntall /boot on it
2341 [15:59:49] <tdn> nkuttler, how do I get a shell?
2342 [16:00:00] <nkuttler> tdn: alt-right in the curses installer
2343 [16:00:03] <jim> ok, so then standard must have been gutted :)
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2345 [16:00:14] <themill> jim: no
2346 [16:00:21] <themill> you're just making stuff up
2347 [16:00:44] <BluesKaj> dpkg, sudo grub-install /dev/sdc , not mbr
2348 [16:00:44] <dpkg> BluesKaj: wish i knew
2349 [16:00:47] <jim> hence the phrase "must have been", yes
2350 [16:00:54] <tdn> nkuttler, grub-install is not available at that shell
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2352 [16:01:19] <nkuttler> tdn: you probably have to chroot into /target or what it was, and mount the kernel stuff etc
2353 [16:01:22] <nkuttler> proc
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2360 [16:02:52] <BluesKaj> tdn, sudo grub-install /dev/sdc , not mbr should work, from your media usb or dvd/cd
2361 [16:04:03] <tdn> BluesKaj, grub-install: not found
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2363 [16:05:10] <BluesKaj> sudo grub-install
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2365 [16:05:28] <BluesKaj> this debian rememeber
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2369 [16:06:02] <BluesKaj> it'll say not found if you forget sudo
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2389 [16:13:22] <tdn> BluesKaj, apt-get: not found
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2391 [16:13:29] <tdn> BluesKaj, this is a limited busybox or something
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2393 [16:13:57] <tdn> BluesKaj, alllso: sudo: not found
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2395 [16:14:26] <Iridos> tdn, /usr/bin/apt-get ?
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2397 [16:14:58] <bguser> hello i have a debian guest within virtualbox and like to use the 'bridged adapter' which shows up under br-306fdfe07fa8 and like to use it so application on mentioned guest views transparently at the network
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2401 [16:15:20] <tdn> Iridos, not there. This is the installer. Not an actual working system.
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2404 [16:16:18] <BluesKaj> yeah busybox eh. hmm, did you run e2fsck on the disk
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2407 [16:17:36] <tdn> BluesKaj, I did not. On the USB you mean? Grub is installed to MBR, right? And e2fsck works on the actual filesystem. Not MBR.
2408 [16:17:42] <tdn> BluesKaj, do you mean badblocks maybe?
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2410 [16:17:57] <Iridos> tdn, uh… boot into your real system using a rescue disk or something? Then look what grub says
2411 [16:18:06] <Iridos> how did that apt-get thing even turn up
2412 [16:18:22] <tdn> Iridos, there is no "real system". I am installing debian.
2413 [16:18:29] <Iridos> also… how can a disk not be bootable at all… that seems weird
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2415 [16:18:49] <Iridos> tdn, I looked at the backlog by now and you said you installed it, but could not get it to boot from an external usb
2416 [16:19:06] <tdn> Iridos, the disk is bootable. The port on the controller is not, however. I guess that is just how the BIOS was made on this particular machine
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2419 [16:19:29] <tdn> Iridos, I tried to install it, but it failed to install grub to MBR
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2421 [16:19:43] <BluesKaj> tdn, you can install grub on any disk
2422 [16:20:08] <tdn> BluesKaj, yes, that iis why I am surprised it failed to instal on the USB
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2426 [16:20:34] <tdn> BluesKaj, I tried reinstalling and then installed grub on the SSD. Works fine to install grub, however, now I have grub on a device that is not bootable == not working situation :/
2427 [16:20:45] <tdn> Will try with a different USB disk. Maybe it is broken somehow.
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2429 [16:21:08] <BluesKaj> tdn, is this a UEFI machine?
2430 [16:21:11] <Iridos> but that's just the boot loader… and that should happen after everything else is installed
2431 [16:21:40] <tdn> Iridos, everything else DID install fine
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2433 [16:21:50] <tdn> BluesKaj, this is a HPE MicroServer Gen8
2434 [16:21:57] <tdn> BluesKaj, I do not think it is UEFI
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2436 [16:22:13] <Iridos> yes… so boot into it using any rescue disk or whatever you think of
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2444 [16:23:02] <BluesKaj> tdn, how old is it ? if pre 2010 then it's mostlikely BIOS
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2446 [16:23:17] <Papillon> it looks like it's bios
2447 [16:23:17] <tdn> BluesKaj, I boughthe server last week
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2450 [16:23:34] <tdn> BluesKaj, however, it is not the newest model. I think it is from 2015 or something like that
2451 [16:23:37] <tdn> The model
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2454 [16:23:48] <bob101> looking for help with XSS any good channels of use?
2455 [16:24:24] <Papillon> e3 1200v2?
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2465 [16:26:50] <BluesKaj> tdn, if it's regular pc with added drives then it's still a UEFI machine from 2015
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2468 [16:27:24] <dTal> holy god I hate pulseaudio
2469 [16:27:33] <tdn> BluesKaj, not a reegular PC. A server.
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2471 [16:27:57] <tdn> BluesKaj, this is the HP small server series. Kinda like the Proliant but smaller case, etc.
2472 [16:27:58] <Papillon> I like the idea of a software mixer or whatever, I hate pulseaudio
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2474 [16:28:18] <Papillon> they're nice but too expensive for what they are imo
2475 [16:28:29] <galex-713_> software mixer?
2476 [16:28:34] <Papillon> I'm making a two drive nas just out of an old core 2 dell slim
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2478 [16:28:44] <galex-713_> what the problem with pulseaudio? beside its cpu load
2479 [16:28:49] <galex-713_> *usage
2480 [16:28:51] <dTal> god forbid a body should want audio to be routed to a bluetooth speaker when it's turned on, and back to internal speakers when switched off
2481 [16:29:10] <dTal> the problem is it's hilariously overcomplicated, fragile, and unreliable
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2483 [16:29:19] <dTal> everything "kinda-sorta" works
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2485 [16:29:43] <BluesKaj> dTal, if you have intel audio/snd-hda-intel then you can use alsa directly and purge pulseaudio and pulseaudio-utils
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2487 [16:30:37] <dTal> and how is live switching between HDMI/bluetooth handled? last I checked that required a ton of hardcoding in /etc/asoundrc
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2494 [16:31:53] <BluesKaj> dTal, which debian ? don't think /etc/asoundrc exists anymore
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2496 [16:32:29] <dTal> Jessie, and I imagine that it's not needed by default with pulseaudio
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2504 [16:33:48] <BluesKaj> dTal, dunno about blurtooth audio devices, but hdmi doesn't need pulse , I know that for sure
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2506 [16:33:51] <dTal> the whole point of pulseaudio on this machine was so that my parents could buy a bluetooth speaker and use it without command line fiddling, or plug the laptop into the TV, or anything else you might want to do
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2508 [16:34:20] <dTal> and they just bought a bluetooth speaker, and now I'm spending my afternoon making the damn thing work, so fail
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2511 [16:35:12] <dTal> and now, after manually adding a module to one of several pulse configuration files, success! it switches to the bluetooth speaker when I turn it on
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2513 [16:35:38] <BluesKaj> dt does it show up in lsusb
2514 [16:35:40] <dTal> unhappily it fails to switch back to the internal speaker when I turn it back off
2515 [16:35:50] <BluesKaj> dTal, ^
2516 [16:36:10] <dTal> why would it show up in lsusb, it's bluetooth
2517 [16:36:37] <bolt> the joys of attempting to push linux on unsuspecting relatives :)
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2519 [16:36:41] <dTal> I'm not really asking for help, just ranting
2520 [16:36:47] <BluesKaj> the usb bluetooth transmitter ?
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2522 [16:37:09] <Papillon> my usb headphones have crackling :(
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2524 [16:37:31] <dTal> the bluetooth adapter works fine, it's the bluetooth-pulseaudio interface that sucks (and pulse in general)
2525 [16:38:06] <BluesKaj> dTal, nevermind .
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2527 [16:39:39] <dTal> bolt: I'd rather do this sort of thing every so often than the 4-6 month periodic backup-and-wipe required with Windows machines
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2529 [16:41:10] <bolt> dTal: if i had to wipe my windows machines every 4-6 months, i'd sit down and learn how to use it
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2531 [16:42:04] <dTal> that's the point, they're not my machines
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2534 [16:42:21] <teraflops> dTal: go use plain alsa for bt... it sucks even more
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2536 [16:42:52] <dTal> I have, thank you
2537 [16:43:04] <teraflops> yw
2538 [16:43:16] <dTal> and it's far superior in every respect except dynamicism
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2540 [16:43:28] <teraflops> !ok
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2543 [16:43:49] <dTal> which is admittedly an important feature, hence I suffer with pulse
2544 [16:44:18] <teraflops> phrik c'mon
2545 [16:44:24] <bolt> when they're not your machines, there's even more of an incentive to give the end user something they can handle
2546 [16:44:36] <bolt> so they don't have to come running to you just because they want a pdf reader all of a sudden
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2548 [16:44:50] <bolt> or they need vpn to their workplace or whatever
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2550 [16:45:03] <dTal> it depends on the scale of the needs of the user
2551 [16:45:06] <teraflops> oh lol I thought I was on another channel
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2553 [16:45:40] <dTal> linux has a distinct advantage of its primary interface being text, which makes it a hell of a lot easier to support over the phone
2554 [16:45:41] <teraflops> dTal: not regarding what I said to you
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2612 [17:10:13] <Iridos> hm, is there a library for LD_PRELOAD hacks? I see *some* stuff in debian, but… rather arbitrary
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2620 [17:16:00] <Habitual> Skype users sometimes use that for Hardware-smth as a c-line parameter.
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2643 [17:25:33] <Habitual> OK. What does "debianized source code" mean exactly? Summary would be great. Thanks for your time.
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2646 [17:28:31] <Habitual> Chapter 6 in the handbook sorta answers it, I guess?
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2648 [17:30:08] <Habitual> 5.
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2656 [17:32:55] <petn-randall> Habitual: It's upstream source code + a folder debian/ which contains bits to make dpkg-buildpackage work, which in turn builds the actual debian package in the end.
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2659 [17:33:21] <Habitual> for buidd type processing?
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2661 [17:33:26] <Habitual> buldd
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2663 [17:33:39] <Habitual> buildd (I kan sphell)
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2668 [17:34:00] <Habitual> thanks petn-randall
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2688 [17:40:02] <petn-randall> Habitual: Or building yourself.
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2714 [17:48:52] <chomwitt> !available
2715 [17:48:52] <dpkg> If /var/lib/dpkg/available is corrupted (or generating warnings about illegal version numbers etc), "apt-cache dumpavail > /var/lib/dpkg/available && dpkg --update-avail /var/lib/dpkg/available". Alternatively, you can try "rm /var/lib/dpkg/available; dselect update".
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2718 [17:49:50] <chomwitt> what packages are called 'available' ? i mean dpkg has to do only with installed packages rigth?
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2725 [17:52:12] <DuckZ> can some brave folk help me build libdwarf please? I got bmake from here replaced-url
2726 [17:52:28] <DuckZ> ops wrong channel
2727 [17:52:37] <DuckZ> still, if anybody's got a clue
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2783 [18:16:09] <sine0> does scp support resume ?
2784 [18:17:14] <jelly> not really, use rsync if you need it
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2789 [18:18:48] <sine0> does rsync use checking and resending packets etc?
2790 [18:19:03] <sine0> country internet with a 400mb upload
2791 [18:19:35] <sine0> rsync sounds like scp's big brother i should just use rsync and forget scp
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2793 [18:20:05] <petn-randall> sine0: That resending packets is something your TCP stack takes care of, rsync doesn't need to know anything about that.
2794 [18:20:07] <Papillon> afaik rsync mirrors directories and stuff
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2798 [18:21:35] <sine0> with poor internet i have gotten to really appreciate grabbing things that have a torrent mirror, ditros etc. with rsync will it be similar
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2801 [18:22:11] <sine0> petn-randall: I guess if it fails I can resume it with rsync
2802 [18:22:26] <sine0> md5 if after. just would be a bitch if there was corruption
2803 [18:22:42] <petn-randall> sine0: rsync supports that, yes.
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2805 [18:24:41] <jelly> Papillon: if you tell it to.
2806 [18:24:50] <loredannn> re all
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2811 [18:25:55] <jelly> sine0: if you have a partial file on destination, rsync will checksum the piece that is present and continue transferring just the rest
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2813 [18:26:31] <jelly> sine0: it will use a temporary new copy by default so you need enough free space
2814 [18:27:18] <sine0> jelly: so it will redownload the allready present data ?
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2817 [18:27:51] <jelly> sine0: that's precisely what it WON'T do
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2821 [18:28:23] <sine0> ok thanks. rsync sounds great, is it a more bells and whistle version of scp
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2831 [18:29:38] <jelly> scp is a crappy, buggy version of cp with some ssh support.
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2834 [18:30:13] <petn-randall> sine0: rsync will always trade bandwidth for extra computation where it can. So if there's a (shorter) version of a file at the destination, it'll checksum chunks of it and compare it with the equivalent part on the other side.
2835 [18:30:25] <jelly> sine0: sftp is better, rsync is much more versatile but you need to have it installed on both ends.
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2840 [18:32:13] <bubbely> hi. im trying to install debian and i skipped the part where it told me i need an external wifi driver... so i forgot what driver i need, its an asus x205t and im trying to find the right driver and how to install it . help ?
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2843 [18:32:51] <bubbely> hm i found it
2844 [18:32:57] <abff> nice
2845 [18:33:02] <petn-randall> bubbely: Glad we could help ;)
2846 [18:33:09] <bubbely> =]
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2848 [18:33:28] <bubbely> so, do i need to add another usb stick and copy the driver from a shell ?
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2850 [18:34:26] <jelly> probably not the driver but just the firmware?
2851 [18:34:43] <bubbely> the .bin ?
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2853 [18:34:54] <jelly> if the system has wired internet, use that during installation
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2855 [18:35:27] <bubbely> doesnt
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2859 [18:36:20] <abff> bubbely: I just installed to the wireless device, then used a usb like you said, you could use the same usb since you're already done installation, just override the live ISO and format it to a new partition
2860 [18:36:41] <bubbely> how to i transfer the .bin
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2863 [18:37:11] <jelly> bubbely: do you remember which driver/firmware precisely it is?
2864 [18:37:19] <bubbely> yea fw_bcm43341.bin
2865 [18:37:26] <bubbely> i put it on my usb stick and plugged it in
2866 [18:37:42] <bubbely> do i also need the .mk file ?
2867 [18:37:48] <jelly> probably not
2868 [18:37:50] <bubbely> k
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2872 [18:38:09] <jelly> I don't remember how that part of installer works
2873 [18:38:35] <bubbely> abff: can u tell me how to trasnfer the .bin from the installer main meun
2874 [18:38:56] <abff> I can't be sure exactly where it goes, probably somewhere in /lib/firmware
2875 [18:39:34] <bubbely> oh
2876 [18:39:37] <bubbely> .../lib/firmware/brcm/
2877 [18:39:49] <bubbely> how do i access my usb drive from shell?
2878 [18:39:57] <abff> !mount
2879 [18:39:58] <dpkg> methinks mount is a command used to mount a device to the local filesystem. `man 8 mount`. See also <reference>, <fstab>.
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2882 [18:40:39] <bubbely> how do i know which folder to mount
2883 [18:40:47] <bubbely> nm
2884 [18:41:23] <abff> :)
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2895 [18:45:52] <bubbely> ok so i copied the .bin
2896 [18:46:05] <bubbely> now, how do i get the install to use the driver?
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2899 [18:46:15] <abff> you should probably just be able to reboot
2900 [18:46:25] <Quatroking> Hi, I just did a fresh install of debian and I'm getting the error "Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages" when I try to install mysql-server-5.5
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2902 [18:46:56] <bubbely> i need a network connection to finish the install
2903 [18:46:58] <Quatroking> all I've changed so far is installing sudo and adding my user to the sudoers list
2904 [18:47:01] <bubbely> ...i tink
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2916 [18:49:44] <bubbely> are speakers devices such as /dev/speaker1
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2922 [18:51:40] <abff> why do you ask? it can get pretty complicated with alsa and pulseaudio on top
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2925 [18:54:19] <abff> !audio
2926 [18:54:20] <dpkg> Ask me about <alsa>, <alsa checklist>. See also <default alsa>, <pulseaudio>.
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2932 [18:56:04] <bubbely> abff: im trying to do some bluetooth speaker work
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2936 [18:56:17] <Iridos> bubbely, primarily from alsa /dev/snd/* … pulse goes on top (and they are often blocking, so only one process can have them open)
2937 [18:56:20] <bubbely> abff: wondering if that's an easy way to play audio out of a speaker
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2939 [18:57:06] <abff> Quatroking trying doing a apt update
2940 [18:57:19] <Quatroking> I did, it didn't have effect
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2942 [18:57:32] <Quatroking> I've also tried apt clean but that's not doing anything either
2943 [18:57:37] <Quatroking> same with autoremove
2944 [18:57:49] <abff> what does
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2948 [18:58:12] <die7> bubbely: bt speaker need addtiona setup a) first pair it with system, 2) install addtional packages for pulse , 3) restart pulseaudio and chose speaker as default output
2949 [18:58:22] <abff> dpkg --get-selections | grep hold
2950 [18:58:22] * dpkg selects abff's pr0n collection
2951 [18:58:27] <Quatroking> abff, nothing that I could find on the internet, really
2952 [18:58:35] <Quatroking> lemme try that
2953 [18:58:52] <Quatroking> that didn't return anything
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2955 [18:59:06] <die7> bubbely: replaced-url
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2957 [18:59:53] <bubbely> die7: more than one speaker at a time possible ? ( i can do it on windows, look: replaced-url
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2961 [19:00:47] <die7> bubbely: not sure with more as one bt speaker but you can try
2962 [19:01:40] <abff> Quatroking okay then I think there maybe a package that is conflicting with mysql?
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2964 [19:02:05] <bubbely> gotta take this a step back first (dont even have debian installed yet) cp /sys/firmware/efi/efivars/nvram-74b00bd9-805a-4d61-b51f-43268123d113 /lib/firmware/brcm/brcmfmac43340-sdio.txt <- returns the msg cannot create regular file
2965 [19:02:12] <bubbely> this seems to be the last step to installing my wifi .bin
2966 [19:02:17] <Iridos> Quatroking, when do you get that error?
2967 [19:02:24] <linuxthefish> if i want to upgrade from wheezy to unstable, should i upgrade to jessie first or go straight to unstable?
2968 [19:02:40] <abff> One thing I read suggested that you use `sudo aptitude -f install mysql-server5.5` and see what it says, since aptitude can be a lot more verbose
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2970 [19:03:13] <Iridos> linuxthefish, you cannot skip stable releases
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2972 [19:03:45] <linuxthefish> cannot skip ?
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2975 [19:04:38] <Iridos> you have to go wheezy->jessie->stretch (or, as may be unstable in this case)
2976 [19:05:02] <linuxthefish> ah ok, thanks a lot Iridos !
2977 [19:05:45] <Iridos> at some point it's much easier to clone the package list and reinstall… also if you upgrade, read release notes for jessie …
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2980 [19:05:49] <Iridos> dpkg, wheezy->jessie
2981 [19:05:49] <dpkg> Read (at least) the upgrading chapter of the <release notes> replaced-url
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2983 [19:06:45] <Quatroking> just a moment, abff, Iridos, phonecall
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2993 [19:09:01] <bubbely> replaced-url
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2996 [19:09:18] <Quatroking> abff, Iridos: I get the error when trying to install the package, replaced-url
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3000 [19:10:49] <Quatroking> it's not just mysql-server apparently because php5 is giving the exact same error
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3003 [19:11:35] <JPT> Quatroking: apt-get install mysql-server-5.5 :)
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3006 [19:12:12] <JPT> Quatroking: Not sure if that's all, i'm confused by that broken packages part :|
3007 [19:12:27] <Quatroking> Same error but with more dependencies listed
3008 [19:12:49] <abff> Yeah it kind of seems like the virtual package mysql-server gets confused because mysql-server5.5 isn't there
3009 [19:13:00] <Quatroking> replaced-url
3010 [19:13:20] <Iridos> judd, versions mysql-server
3011 [19:13:21] <judd> Package: mysql-server on amd64 -- wheezy: 5.5.47-0+deb7u1; jessie: 5.5.53-0+deb8u1; wheezy-security: 5.5.54-0+deb7u2; jessie-security: 5.5.54-0+deb8u1; jessie-proposed-updates: 5.5.54-0+deb8u1; sid: 5.7.17-1
3012 [19:14:08] <bubbely> can someone help me get wifi working on debian
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3018 [19:14:49] <Quatroking> you know what, I'm going to turn it off and on again, see if that does some magic
3019 [19:14:52] <Iridos> Quatroking, can you pastebin the output of tail -n99 /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*
3020 [19:15:03] <Quatroking> sure, just a moment
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3024 [19:15:54] <bubbely> modprobe is not a command found ?
3025 [19:16:16] <greycat> If you're not root, it may not be in your PATH.
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3027 [19:16:23] <chomwitt> so /var/lib/dpkg/available is not build from dpkg ? is that right?
3028 [19:16:27] <abff> bubbely that's a protected bin, you gotta be root
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3030 [19:16:31] <Quatroking> Iridos, replaced-url
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3033 [19:17:57] <Iridos> Quatroking, you're missing the main repository for debian that has most of the software… probably comes from having the CD image as a source for that, then commenting it
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3036 [19:18:16] <Quatroking> Right
3037 [19:18:27] <Iridos> Quatroking, add "deb replaced-url
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3040 [19:19:02] <Quatroking> ooooooh i see now
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3043 [19:19:43] <Quatroking> boom, that did it
3044 [19:19:44] <Quatroking> thanks
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3046 [19:21:35] <Iridos> (you can also add the same line with deb-src … which is only relevant at all if you (re-)build packages from source)
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3049 [19:22:01] <Quatroking> I don't plan on doing that, this is just a simple VM I want to run on my server
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3051 [19:22:24] <Iridos> it's just more consistent with your other entries
3052 [19:22:29] <Quatroking> figured it'd be a good development setup for a website that I plan to roll out later
3053 [19:22:33] <abff> bubbely whats your wifi device?
3054 [19:22:55] <bubbely> brcm/brcmfmac43340-sdio.bni
3055 [19:23:09] <bubbely> iwlist scan = command not found
3056 [19:23:12] <abff> I mean the card
3057 [19:23:40] <Iridos> bubbely, I think you just copied over the firmware… (didn't follow closely, but I wonder why you didn't install the firmware package) … anyway… if you also rebooted, check in dmesg if it was loaded
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3061 [19:24:37] <bubbely> Iridos: is it possible to install a .deb from shell?
3062 [19:24:46] <greycat> Of course. dpkg -i foobar.deb
3063 [19:25:01] <bubbely> great
3064 [19:26:04] <bubbely> k i installed the firmware
3065 [19:26:19] <bubbely> iwlist is still command not found
3066 [19:26:31] <greycat> judd file bin/iwlist
3067 [19:26:34] <judd> Search for bin/iwlist in jessie/amd64: wireless-tools: sbin/iwlist
3068 [19:26:46] <greycat> Make sure the wireless-tools package is installed.
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3089 [19:31:23] <HD|Laptop> Hello all
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3091 [19:31:34] <darsie> How do I mount a USB drive as normal user?
3092 [19:31:39] <HD|Laptop> I am trying to set up a Debian machine as VLAN router, together with a wifi AP
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3094 [19:32:03] <HD|Laptop> got that VLAN stuff figured out as well as dnsmasq dhcp... except one thing
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3096 [19:32:25] <HD|Laptop> For some reason I cannot specify different dhcp-option lines per interface
3097 [19:32:31] <psychoticwarrior> sudo mount <mount point> /mnt
3098 [19:32:40] <psychoticwarrior> pico /etc/sudoers
3099 [19:32:49] <darsie> psychicist__: by normal I meant not root.
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3101 [19:33:05] <darsie> psychoticwarrior:
3102 [19:33:08] <HD|Laptop> But interface=eth1.16;dhcp-range=xxxxx;interface=eth1.17;dhcp-range=yyyyy; works
3103 [19:33:13] <HD|Laptop> WHat am I doing wrong?
3104 [19:33:54] <darsie> So I can copy files to it without being root.
3105 [19:34:07] <greycat> darsie: what kind of file system is on the device? FAT-32?
3106 [19:34:13] <darsie> greycat: yes
3107 [19:34:22] <psychoticwarrior> yea or ntfs or ext3
3108 [19:34:24] <greycat> As root, mount -o uid=darsie /dev/whatever /wherever
3109 [19:34:32] <darsie> thx
3110 [19:34:34] <psychoticwarrior> fdis -l
3111 [19:34:49] <psychoticwarrior> mount -rw -o remount /
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3113 [19:35:03] <psychoticwarrior> that works too to read write for the whole filesystem
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3115 [19:35:12] <greycat> FAT file systems don't have native ownership/permissions, so the kernel presents a fake owner when mounting one of those. -o uid=___ lets you control who that fake owner is.
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3118 [19:35:30] <psychoticwarrior> ok
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3121 [19:37:47] <bubbely> is there a way to install a bunch of packages together? ie im trying to install cinammon without having to sperately install python etc
3122 [19:38:04] <greycat> That's what apt-get is for.
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3126 [19:38:21] <greycat> E.g. "apt-get install xorg" pulls in the X server, dozens of driver modules, libraries, etc.
3127 [19:38:24] <Iridos> you just do " apt-get install cinnamon " or whatever… apt fetches all dependencies and installs them for you
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3133 [19:40:56] <jhutchins_wk> bubbely: Sometimes there's a "meta package" like cinnamon-desktop that will also install packages that are nice to have with the target but not dependent.
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3143 [19:44:17] <Orbstheorem> Hello, does anybody know about a webdav client for the terminal?
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3152 [19:47:20] <JohnA> Orbstheorem, webdav client? I use davfs file system which lets me mount webdav entities as normal.
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3155 [19:50:42] <eternal-pain> hey all. i have a question regarding stretch
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3160 [19:51:55] <eternal-pain> as of today, virtualbox and virtualbox-guest-additions are note available in stretch main, contrib or non-free. in jessie it is at least included in contrib. will it be included as stretch will be released as the next stable? i found nothing about it on the wiki.
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3163 [19:52:31] <missmbob> eternal-pain: replaced-url
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3168 [19:53:10] <eternal-pain> ok. is it adviseable to add the oracle repository as it is not maintained by the debian or debian-security team?
3169 [19:53:14] <eternal-pain> i mean on critical systems
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3171 [19:53:25] <psychoticwarrior> fdisk -l
3172 [19:53:26] <psychoticwarrior> *
3173 [19:53:30] <missmbob> eternal-pain: yes
3174 [19:53:31] <psychoticwarrior> fdisk -l
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3176 [19:53:46] <psychoticwarrior> how much pain do u feel *eternal-pain
3177 [19:53:53] <eternal-pain> alright, thank you missmbob
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3182 [19:54:34] <eternal-pain> psychoticwarrior, some in the head, some on the abs... ^^
3183 [19:54:55] <psychoticwarrior> ok
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3185 [19:55:36] <eternal-pain> i used to do muay thai, but now i'm only doing free sparring now and then, my main sport has become powerlifting
3186 [19:55:44] <eternal-pain> so, less pain since january
3187 [19:55:51] <psychoticwarrior> nice
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3193 [19:56:23] <eternal-pain> after ober 2 years of doing both, i found out it doesn't complement each other much
3194 [19:56:26] <eternal-pain> *over
3195 [19:56:42] <psychoticwarrior> yea sounds good
3196 [19:56:49] <psychoticwarrior> i used to be in tae kwon do
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3198 [19:56:56] <psychoticwarrior> deputy black belt
3199 [19:57:11] <missmbob> !chat
3200 [19:57:11] <dpkg> This is not a chat channel, this is a Debian user support channel. Unless you have a Debian support question, please chat elsewhere, like #moocows on irc.oftc.net or ##chat on irc.freenode.net.
3201 [19:57:16] <eternal-pain> also a nice sport, i had a test training once
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3203 [19:57:35] <eternal-pain> i looked into various combat sports before deciding to stick with muay thai
3204 [19:57:48] <psychoticwarrior> nice
3205 [19:57:49] <psychoticwarrior> thats good
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3208 [19:57:55] <psychoticwarrior> im trying to get into krav maga
3209 [19:57:57] <missmbob> !ot
3210 [19:57:57] <dpkg> #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day.
3211 [19:58:00] <missmbob> please stay on topic
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3213 [19:58:05] <missmbob> go to #debian-offtopic
3214 [19:58:19] <BluesKaj> heh, i used to ski, not exactly a combat sport but now my knees are suffering big time
3215 [19:58:36] <Orbstheorem> JohnA: I'm using radicale with postgresql
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3218 [19:58:57] <Orbstheorem> I could connect to the db, but not specially handy
3219 [19:59:17] <Orbstheorem> I'd like something like a calendar that can connect to webdav
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3227 [20:01:57] <JohnA> Orbstheorem, is only a calendar(caldav) + contacts(carddav) server which is run on the server to provide those services. WebDAV is a file access system used to provide cloud like file service. the two are not the same thig.
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3231 [20:02:19] <Orbstheorem> oh
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3233 [20:02:21] <Orbstheorem> my bad
3234 [20:02:25] <JohnA> Orbstheorem, : is -> radical is
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3237 [20:02:32] <Orbstheorem> yeah
3238 [20:03:04] <SamSagaZ> hey guys, i want to install just one beta version of a package, someone know how can i do that? i want to install roundcube 1.2.2 and have installed 1.5.5
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3240 [20:03:14] <greycat> ,v roundcube
3241 [20:03:15] <judd> Package: roundcube on amd64 -- wheezy: 0.7.2-9+deb7u2; wheezy-security: 0.7.2-9+deb7u6; jessie-backports: 1.1.5+dfsg.1-1~bpo8+4; sid: 1.2.3+dfsg.1-3; stretch: 1.2.3+dfsg.1-3
3242 [20:03:27] <greycat> how what
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3246 [20:03:50] <SamSagaZ> want to install 1.2.3 then :)
3247 [20:03:56] <greycat> Run Debian.
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3250 [20:04:15] <SamSagaZ> can i just allow sid on ONLY this package?
3251 [20:04:20] <Iridos> judd, checkbackport roundcube --fromrelease sid
3252 [20:04:21] <judd> Backporting package roundcube in sid→jessie/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using jessie.
3253 [20:04:22] <greycat> Was 1.5.5 a typo or something?
3254 [20:04:27] <SamSagaZ> or need to change to sid my release?
3255 [20:04:29] <SamSagaZ> ah, ok
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3258 [20:04:36] <missmbob> !tell SamSagaZ -about ssb
3259 [20:04:37] <jelly> it's a php app, don't expect debian to be able to keep up with its monthly security holes
3260 [20:04:42] <greycat> Why are you going DOWN from 1.5.5 to 1.2.3?
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3262 [20:05:07] <jelly> 1.5.5 does not exist, it has to have been a typo
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3264 [20:05:18] <JohnA> If you want all three in one package take alook at some thin like owncloud.
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3268 [20:06:02] <SamSagaZ> oh sorry, i have installed Version: 1.1.5+dfsg.1-1~bpo8+4
3269 [20:06:07] <Orbstheorem> not a fan of php :(
3270 [20:06:11] <SamSagaZ> and want to install 1.2.3
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3272 [20:06:21] <missmbob> SamSagaZ: use the ssb method the bot /msg'd you about
3273 [20:06:22] <greycat> Backport it.
3274 [20:06:23] <Orbstheorem> I don't need webdav, just caldav and carddav :)
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3278 [20:06:52] <Orbstheorem> but I'd like to connect via cli to caldav :)
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3280 [20:07:09] <SamSagaZ> thanks
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3288 [20:08:42] <JohnA> Orbstheorem, then use radical/davical/... on your server If I remember correctly they are both written in PHP. The are some others out there use google.
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3291 [20:09:15] <jelly> SamSagaZ: (also, do NOT enable sid or stretch deb (binary) repos, that's an easy, sure way to wreck your OS installation.)
3292 [20:09:21] <Orbstheorem> radicale is written in python :)
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3297 [20:11:01] <JohnA> Orbstheorem, Sorry, I thought it was PHP. I use davical and have for some time it works well and is fairly well documented and reasonably easy to install.
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3323 [20:23:59] <Orbstheorem> nvm :)
3324 [20:24:13] <Orbstheorem> btw, does anybody know why aptitude can become slow?
3325 [20:24:59] <Orbstheorem> aptitude install paquet-lamda takes about about 8 minutes to complete while apt-get install paquet-lamda takes 1 minute
3326 [20:25:03] <nkuttler> because it uses lots of resources
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3329 [20:25:19] <Orbstheorem> well, there's ram and cpu power available
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3331 [20:25:43] <nkuttler> not enough, apparently?
3332 [20:25:44] <jelly> Orbstheorem: how much ram is there?
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3334 [20:25:57] <Orbstheorem> 1G
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3337 [20:26:08] <Orbstheorem> well, 900M free
3338 [20:26:10] <jelly> Orbstheorem: which debian release is this? Do you have X running at the same time?
3339 [20:26:22] <Orbstheorem> sid
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3341 [20:26:39] <jelly> Orbstheorem: how did you install it
3342 [20:26:52] <Orbstheorem> I have postgresql running at the same time, but it's not being used
3343 [20:27:07] <Orbstheorem> debootstrap [...] sid
3344 [20:27:08] <jelly> Orbstheorem: also, what does "uname -a" say
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3348 [20:28:41] <jelly> Orbstheorem: if it's a container or VM the performance may vary wildly depending on what else is running on the host
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3350 [20:29:04] <jelly> ,v paquet-lamda
3351 [20:29:05] <judd> No package named 'paquet-lamda' was found in amd64.
3352 [20:29:20] <jelly> Orbstheorem: where does that package come from? paquet-lamda
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3355 [20:30:00] <Orbstheorem> ah, python-psycopg2
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3359 [20:30:14] <Orbstheorem> from the debian repository
3360 [20:30:19] <Orbstheorem> jelly: ^^
3361 [20:30:48] <jelly> Orbstheorem: also, what does "uname -a" say? Are you running this on a physical system, or inside a container or a VM?
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3384 [20:35:35] <Orbstheorem> vm
3385 [20:36:01] <Orbstheorem> Linux Triglav-1v3 4.9.0-2-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.9.13-1 (2017-02-27) x86_64 GNU/Linux
3386 [20:36:26] <jelly> Orbstheorem: hard to say really, maybe there are clues in aptitude's output vs. apt-get's output. Can you pastebin the exact command lines and full outputs?
3387 [20:36:33] <jelly> nice hostname.
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3389 [20:36:54] <Orbstheorem> ^^
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3397 [20:38:47] <Orbstheorem> I can try to reinstall the package
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3399 [20:39:29] <jelly> it's too late now, because the dependencies are already there
3400 [20:40:16] <SamSagaZ> how can i know which packages are listed on backport?
3401 [20:40:24] <jelly> Orbstheorem: in any case, if you wish to pursue this further, ask in
3402 [20:40:27] <jelly> !debian-next
3403 [20:40:27] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
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3407 [20:40:59] <SamSagaZ> oh, backport just have 1.1.5 :/
3408 [20:41:03] <jelly> SamSagaZ: replaced-url
3409 [20:41:07] <Orbstheorem> jelly: alright, thanks, I'll try to record the behavior next time it happens
3410 [20:41:12] <missmbob> SamSagaZ: that's why we told you to use ssb
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3412 [20:41:33] <jelly> SamSagaZ: also, /msg judd versions roundcube
3413 [20:41:45] <SamSagaZ> i see, mmm dont know if can do that then.. its a production box
3414 [20:42:18] <SamSagaZ> never installed an not stable version of any package
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3417 [20:42:39] <SamSagaZ> but getting errors with roundcube, maybe will be better to install from src
3418 [20:42:40] <missmbob> SamSagaZ: it's making your own backport. you're not installing a sid binary
3419 [20:42:44] <jelly> SamSagaZ: you don't want to blindly go from 1.1.x to 1.2.x without trying it out in a test environment first
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3421 [20:43:08] <SamSagaZ> jelly, is not working on my production box
3422 [20:43:09] <jelly> in any case, both 1.1.5 and 1.2.3 are too old
3423 [20:43:14] <SamSagaZ> ok
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3426 [20:43:41] <SamSagaZ> will install latest from src
3427 [20:43:44] <SamSagaZ> thanks guys
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3429 [20:44:06] <jelly> install and set up from sources in a different place, and subscribe to upstream's announce list
3430 [20:44:27] <jelly> replaced-url
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3436 [20:49:14] <TomTomTosch> i plan to install jessie on a few dozen devices. they already have an ancient mint install which i plan to delete and a windows partition, which i don't want to touch. one install i did manually, the rest i would like to automate as much as possible. would preseeding be the way to go, would i have to handle the partitioning manually and can i extract the preseed options from the install i already finished?
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3440 [20:51:38] <andmizyk> heloo, i registered on docker hub, but i have not received email, to confirm the account. where can i go for help
3441 [20:52:31] <jim> someone might want to do something about this: archive.debian.net uses an invalid security certificate. The certificate expired on 02/18/2017 08:25 PM.
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3443 [20:52:57] <SamSagaZ> wich other webclient like squirrelmail, roundcube exist?
3444 [20:52:59] <jelly> SamSagaZ: actually, no, my bad, the version in sid and stretch has the security fixes present in upstream 1.2.4, so if you want to go the ssb route it's an option
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3446 [20:53:20] <SamSagaZ> maybe wil try squirrelmail then
3447 [20:53:25] <jim> andmizyk, spam folder?
3448 [20:53:30] <jelly> and so does 1.1.5+dfsg.1-1~bpo8+4
3449 [20:54:01] <jelly> jim: what's archive.debian.net?
3450 [20:54:07] <jelly> !archive
3451 [20:54:07] <dpkg> hmm... archive is a collection of files. 'tar', 'ar', 'cpio' are all archiving tools. This is *not* the same as compression, which is a separate operation. Debian Archives is the repository for old Debian releases, see replaced-url
3452 [20:54:12] <jelly> argh.
3453 [20:54:24] <jim> that
3454 [20:54:32] <jelly> jim: archive.debian.org is something that exists
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3457 [20:55:29] <jelly> jim: did you find a link to archive.debian.net somewhere, or was it a typo? What's the exact URL you used?
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3459 [20:56:16] <jim> just the top level of the site
3460 [20:57:07] <jim> the link was in my browser already for some reason (that is, when I started typing it, it autocompleted to that)
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3465 [20:58:01] <jelly> jim: stuff under debian.net is not (yet) official resource; this includes test or experimental services or similar
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3467 [20:58:26] <jim> I originally thought archive.debian.org, but when it completed to .net, I just tried the link and got that error
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3472 [20:58:55] <jim> thanks for clarifying
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3474 [21:00:02] <jelly> I'd say contact the person it says to contact, on the web page
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3485 [21:03:13] <andmizyk> jim, nothing
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3502 [21:10:56] <tdn> What is best: RAID --> LVM --> LUKS --> ext4 or RAID --> LUKS --> LVM --> ext4 ? And why?
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3506 [21:11:38] <rudi_s> tdn: There's also LUKS --> RAID ...
3507 [21:12:12] <tdn> rudi_s, yes, I guess there are any permutations of the first three, but what are pros and cons for each? Is there a best practice for this?
3508 [21:12:19] <rudi_s> The advantage of --> LUKS --> LVM is that everything is encrypted and you can simply use the LVM volumes.
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3510 [21:12:41] <rudi_s> Otherwise you need multiple keys, one for each lvm volume.
3511 [21:13:48] <rudi_s> An advantage of LUKS --> LVM is that potential LVM snapshots (or volumes) are encrypted and can be separately backuped.
3512 [21:14:35] <rudi_s> Personally I use RAID --> LUKS --> LVM -->
3513 [21:15:14] <blackflow> LUKS --> ZFS --> (FTW) :)
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3516 [21:15:34] <rudi_s> Simplest solution and everything is encrypted.
3517 [21:15:40] <rainfyre> #kali-linux
3518 [21:15:40] <tdn> rudi_s, I think I most like the first one: RAID --> LVM --> LUKS --> ext4. This is due to three things: 1) I think this looks most like what default debian installer does on guided partitioning+set up encrypted lvm. 2) I might want to only have one big LV with LUKS and another with non-encrypted data.
3519 [21:15:43] <rudi_s> Well, on Linux.
3520 [21:15:47] <rudi_s> *ZFS on linux ..
3521 [21:15:56] <rainfyre> oi. forgot the /j. morning Debian peeps
3522 [21:15:58] <tdn> blackflow, ZFS is not available for Debian?
3523 [21:16:05] <rudi_s> tdn: No, the installer does luks --> lvm
3524 [21:16:05] <blackflow> tdn: it is
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3526 [21:16:19] <rudi_s> tdn: Not really, it's a port of zfs.
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3528 [21:16:39] <tdn> rudi_s, sounds experimental... Safe for storing data?
3529 [21:16:45] <blackflow> tdn: yea
3530 [21:16:46] <tdn> That I care about
3531 [21:16:47] <rudi_s> tdn: IMO, no.
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3534 [21:17:59] <tdn> rudi_s, do your RAID -> LUKS -> LVM solution support TRIM? (or is this not SSD?)
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3536 [21:18:13] <blackflow> tdn: ZFS on Linux is declared stable and production ready. I've been using it in production for over a year on Debian and Ubuntu servers.
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3542 [21:18:54] <tdn> blackflow, is this zfs-fuse?
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3544 [21:19:01] <blackflow> tdn: nope, DKMS
3545 [21:19:14] <rudi_s> But I have pessimistic views on file systems and stability. I don't trust "newer" systems.
3546 [21:19:18] <rudi_s> tdn: Yes.
3547 [21:19:21] <tdn> rudi_s, I agree
3548 [21:19:23] <rudi_s> *trim is supported.
3549 [21:19:29] <tdn> rudi_s, ok.
3550 [21:19:54] <tdn> rudi_s, what did you have to do in order to make trim work?
3551 [21:19:57] <blackflow> at any rate far more stable than btrfs
3552 [21:20:12] <rudi_s> Well, that's not really an argument ;-)
3553 [21:20:13] <blackflow> tdn: for more info, replaced-url
3554 [21:20:20] <tdn> rudi_s, I did an installation without RAID. Just LUKS/LVM as the installer does with guided partitioning. After this, trim did not work.
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3556 [21:20:52] <rudi_s> tdn: For LVM, RAID nothing, for LUKS add discard in /etc/crypttab (e.g. none luks,discard)
3557 [21:21:17] <tdn> blackflow, sounds tempting, but does not really seem to be included in debian. Some third party module is not really what I want for a filesystem with my most important data.
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3559 [21:21:31] <tdn> blackflow, although I really DO like what I read about ZFS. I sounds like a great fs.
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3561 [21:21:45] <tdn> blackflow, I would have loved it if SUN GPL'ed it back in the day.
3562 [21:21:53] <rudi_s> tdn: It's in debian, zfs-dkms
3563 [21:22:06] <rudi_s> But I don't know how well tested that really is.
3564 [21:22:09] <tdn> Then it would probably be widespread in use on Linux today and I would trust it
3565 [21:22:18] <tdn> rudi_s, I am going for ext4 :)
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3567 [21:22:28] <missmbob> i wouldnt trust it in production either.
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3569 [21:22:37] <bubbely> whats the fastest command line WiFi tool to install.. nmcli, wpa these all have so many dependencies
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3572 [21:23:15] <rudi_s> tdn: ;-) Me too.
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3574 [21:24:44] <jelly> bubbely: all of them will install wpasupplicant, that's the underlying one all depend on so it's not going to be less than that in any case
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3577 [21:25:16] <bubbely> is there like. a super package that install all of it plus depencies
3578 [21:25:18] <blackflow> well, like with any other important data, you should have back ups. after all, it was ext4, the so well known and much used fs on Linux, that last year (or was it 2015?) had a data corruption bug...
3579 [21:26:13] <blackflow> and I think given the "issues" with the license, unless people give it a chance, there won't be any widespread use by itself. pity, it's a great fs.
3580 [21:26:18] <jelly> blackflow: which kernel version(s) had that bug
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3583 [21:26:58] <hicks_> btrfs had a pretty fundemental issue when used with raid too
3584 [21:26:59] <blackflow> jelly: had to look it up, it was 4.0, raid corruption
3585 [21:27:23] <blackflow> replaced-url
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3587 [21:27:40] <jelly> good thing that was not present in any debian release
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3592 [21:28:29] <blackflow> irrelevant. the point is that a well known and trusted filesystem had such an issue. meaning, if you value your data, have proper backups, regardless of FS and give ZFS a chance :)
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3595 [21:29:15] <bubbely> anyone ?
3596 [21:29:18] <jelly> blackflow: that not irrelevant at all. A typical user will use a distro kernel, not latest vanilla kernels.
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3600 [21:30:26] <blackflow> jelly: but that doesn't invalidate my point
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3602 [21:30:52] <jelly> it invalidates the supporting example.
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3606 [21:32:04] <jelly> (find a better example, I agree with "you should have backups", but not because of some ext4 scare)
3607 [21:32:18] <blackflow> jelly: so you're saying that ext4 has a 100% corruption free track record for the past, say, 10 years, because Debian never used the kernel version that contained any such bugs?
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3609 [21:32:45] <hicks_> lets just go with, if you're using software, software can have bugs, therefore make backups. :)
3610 [21:32:52] <jelly> yes.
3611 [21:33:14] <greycat> Always make backups.
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3613 [21:33:58] <jelly> in fact, don't make backups, backups are useless. Always make sure you're able to do restores!
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3619 [21:36:13] <jelly> bubbely: not sure what you're looking for. apt-get install foo will install foo and all its dependencies (and recommendations by default)
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3624 [21:37:37] <jelly> !foo
3625 [21:37:37] <dpkg> i heard foo is the probably first <metasyntactic variable>, it's a placeholder for some other term. See replaced-url
3626 [21:38:36] <bubbely> jelly: no wifi connection yet tho
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3631 [21:40:19] <Enrico_Menotti> Hello, I'd need an info about downloading the CD image for Debian live. I have followed the links from debian.org and eventually found replaced-url
3632 [21:40:20] <Enrico_Menotti> particular, zsync? Do I need to download them?
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3634 [21:40:51] <jelly> bubbely: wpasupplicant requires manual configuration
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3636 [21:41:15] <jelly> that's why a casual user doesn't use it directly
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3638 [21:42:22] <jelly> bubbely: there are some examples in "zless /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/README.Debian.gz" if you're used to configuring network via /etc/network/interfaces
3639 [21:42:43] <jelly> otherwise, dunno, use something like wicd or nmcli
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3649 [21:44:04] <jelly> Enrico_Menotti: short answer, you don't need to download those smaller files
3650 [21:44:21] <earendel> hi. vi tells me i have several swap versions of a file and offers to recover. is there a quick way to delete all via shell?
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3653 [21:44:46] <greycat> Sounds like #vim
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3655 [21:44:52] <earendel> or vim
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3657 [21:45:13] <earendel> *pet
3658 [21:45:17] <Enrico_Menotti> jelly Ok, just the .iso then. I put it on a CD and that's it, right?
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3662 [21:46:02] <jelly> Enrico_Menotti: you burn a cd or write it to a usb stick
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3665 [21:46:16] <demo> hello
3666 [21:46:24] <jelly> Enrico_Menotti: note that it doesn't support UEFI-booting systems yet
3667 [21:46:31] <demo> howare you?
3668 [21:46:49] <demo> can i ask youguys a wuestion
3669 [21:46:59] <demo> question* sorry
3670 [21:47:03] <jelly> !ask
3671 [21:47:04] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
3672 [21:47:06] <missmbob> Enrico_Menotti: you might want to get the iso with nonfree firmware included if you need that
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3675 [21:47:39] <Enrico_Menotti> jelly Yes, right. Thank you for the quick reply.
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3678 [21:48:26] <Enrico_Menotti> missmbob I don't think I need firmware - I just want to boot a live Debian distribution on a computer on which Windows is currently installed.
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3683 [21:48:56] <jelly> Enrico_Menotti: if said computer has a wireless internet connection, you most likely need some firmware
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3685 [21:48:59] <greycat> Rule of thumb, if you want to use a wireless network, you need non-free firmware.
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3689 [21:49:30] <jelly> on windows, to make a bootable usb stick, you'd use
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3691 [21:49:34] <jelly> !win32diskimager
3692 [21:49:34] <dpkg> win32diskimager is much more reliable than <unetbootin> for copying ISO images to USB sticks and you can download it from replaced-url
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3694 [21:50:05] <demo> hi have a laptop with windows 7 and i am trying to connect it to the internet so i can download an iso of linux
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3696 [21:50:18] <demo> but i cannot connect to the internet
3697 [21:50:27] <greycat> And yet, here you are.
3698 [21:50:31] <demo> the modem seams to be fine
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3700 [21:50:47] <demo> i know this is a debian place and not windows
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3702 [21:51:06] <demo> but i am desperate
3703 [21:51:18] <greycat> "/join ##windows"
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3705 [21:51:39] <demo> is there a channel here in freenode?
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3707 [21:52:24] <demo> got it
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3709 [21:52:32] <demo> sorry for the inconvinient
3710 [21:52:39] <demo> thank you
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3712 [21:52:48] <tdn> rudi_s, would it be possible to set up RAID1/LUKS/LVM during installation if I only have the one disk at install time? Then add the next disk later?
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3714 [21:53:15] <tdn> rudi_s, using the installer. Without having to do a lot of manual hacks outside the installer?
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3717 [21:55:12] <teraflops> using dbootstrap for setups not included in the installer is the best way imo.
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3719 [21:55:44] <tdn> teraflops, that might be an option
3720 [21:56:13] <Enrico_Menotti> jelly missmbob Ok, I will add a few more details. Currently I am on a Mac. I'd download the disk image and burn the CD from here. The CD is supposed to boot on the said old laptop which has Windows on it. I'd use the system to cross-debootstrap a Debian initrd to be booted on an old tablet. It's an experiment I am doing.
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3725 [21:56:50] <Enrico_Menotti> I'd ask: is it possible to download the Debian sources for debootstrap or do I need a network connection on the computer where I will run Debian from the live CD?
3726 [21:57:07] <jelly> Enrico_Menotti: if your mac has enough ram you could fire up debian in a VM
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3729 [21:57:35] <jelly> you need a network connection on the linux system debootstrap will run on
3730 [21:57:51] <Enrico_Menotti> Sure, I have also that option. But I'd like to have both systems at hand.
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3732 [21:58:36] <jelly> no need to burn anything to antiquated media with a VM!
3733 [21:58:37] <Enrico_Menotti> Ok, a network connection, as it has been said, requires some firmware. So should I find a different disk image, including the firmware?
3734 [21:58:58] <jelly> !firmware images
3735 [21:58:59] <dpkg> Unofficial <netinst> images - containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for installing Debian 8 "Jessie" are available from replaced-url
3736 [21:59:01] <jelly> !firmware live
3737 [21:59:02] <dpkg> Unofficial <live> images - containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for using Debian 8 "jessie" as a live OS are available under replaced-url
3738 [21:59:11] <jelly> depending on your needs
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3744 [22:00:41] <Enrico_Menotti> Ok, thanks a lot. I'd need the i386 version, but at this point I think I may find it by myself.
3745 [22:00:50] <bubbely> can dpkg uninstall
3746 [22:00:57] <bubbely> or just install
3747 [22:01:12] <somiaj> bubbely: dpkg is the core package manager that installs/uninstalls packages
3748 [22:01:13] <greycat> man dpkg
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3752 [22:01:35] <teraflops> Enrico_Menotti: if the livecd youre using already has network connectivity youre fine.
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3754 [22:01:50] <rudi_s> tdn: I'm not sure, but debootstrap sounds like a good option. Or you do it in another TTY after the installer loaded the partitioner.
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3756 [22:03:01] <teraflops> Enrico_Menotti: you can use whatever you want, you only need binutils debian-keyring and deboostrap. I use archiso for doing it
3757 [22:03:26] <tdn> rudi_s, I just remembered, that I have 5 disks in the system: 4 data disks that should be set up with this RAID/LVM/LUKS combo and then a 5th disk with the system on. So I guess I will just install everything on the 5th disk first and then manually create the RAID array, etc. on the disks later. After installation.
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3759 [22:03:52] <tdn> But I should still be able to create the array with only one disk, right? And then have it sync later? It has been a while since I played with mdadm
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3761 [22:04:33] <rudi_s> tdn: With mdadm yes, just specify missing as disk.
3762 [22:05:03] <Enrico_Menotti> teraflops Ok, thank you.
3763 [22:05:26] <rudi_s> tdn: But wouldn't it be better to put the system also on a RAID so it continues to run when one disk dies.
3764 [22:05:29] <rudi_s> ?
3765 [22:06:14] <teraflops> tdn: yeah
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3767 [22:07:04] <tdn> rudi_s, I guess. But I only have room for 4 3.5" HDDs and 1 2.5" SSD
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3769 [22:07:26] <tdn> rudi_s, and I figured I would like to have system on SSD. But maybe it is not worth the trouble.
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3773 [22:08:29] <tdn> I actually have a working system with disks set up with RAID, LUKS, etc. and OS installed on them in a different server. (same architecture) Would I be able to just take the disks from the other server and plug them into the new one and have Debian boot up and working? Or would it be better to reinstall?
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3778 [22:08:51] <bubbely> init-system-helpers wont let file-rc install and i need file-rc for wifi.. also, i cant uninstall init-system-helpers because its necessary... help
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3782 [22:09:37] <jelly> !bat
3783 [22:09:37] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
3784 [22:09:58] <jelly> bubbely: ^^ read the above carefully and pastebin all the info
3785 [22:10:06] <bubbely> i cannot pastebin from my laptop that doens't have internet
3786 [22:10:12] <bubbely> im trying to setup my laptop
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3788 [22:11:05] <greycat> why are you screwing with the init system?
3789 [22:11:07] <jelly> bubbely: if you have an extra usb stick, you can write the outputs to files there, and upload to a pastebin from a different machine. Or upload screenshots with a phone camera if they're readable.
3790 [22:11:22] <bubbely> greycat: the debian i installed didnt come with a windows manager
3791 [22:11:27] <bubbely> im gonna put cinammon on it soon...
3792 [22:11:46] <rudi_s> greycat: Ah, I see. - Should work just fine.
3793 [22:11:52] <rudi_s> greycat: Sorry ..
3794 [22:11:54] <rudi_s> tdn: ^
3795 [22:11:57] <greycat> Installing X and a window manager does not normally involve screwing with the init system at all.
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3798 [22:12:33] <jelly> bubbely: debian does not have "file-rc" by default, something on your installation is VERY unusual. Which image did you install this from?
3799 [22:12:36] <tdn> rudi_s, just moving the disks without reinstalling anything would work?
3800 [22:12:39] <rudi_s> tdn: I see no reason why this shouldn't work.
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3804 [22:14:00] <tdn> rudi_s, so what if I just move one disk of the RAID-1 on the other server and leave one mirrored disk in the old server. (powered off) Then boot up the new server and see if everything works. Then power down new server and plug in the remaining disk. And if it does NOT work in the new server, then what? Is it safe to move it back to the old server?
3805 [22:14:07] <stupidnickname> hi
3806 [22:14:23] <jelly> bubbely: maybe it'd be easier to reinstall from that installer image with firmware
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3808 [22:14:36] <tdn> rudi_s, I mean, in either case, one of the servers will start up with an out of sync raid array. How does the system "chose" which one of the disks are the correct one to sync over to the other?
3809 [22:14:42] <tdn> rudi_s, or do I have to do that manually?
3810 [22:14:49] <jelly> bubbely: /msg dpkg firmware images
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3814 [22:16:57] <rudi_s> tdn: No. You can't put the new disk back without nulling the mdadm header or it will sync with old disk to the new state, potentially destroying the old sytem.
3815 [22:17:19] <rudi_s> AFAIK newest write. But I have to admit I never tested that.
3816 [22:17:30] <tdn> rudi_s, ok.
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3822 [22:19:00] <toto_> Game on
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3834 [22:25:44] <bubbely> =)
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3836 [22:26:56] <bubbely> jelly: how can i record the output? it's simple - initramfs-tools wont allow initscripts to install because initramfs-tools is needed and for me to install wpa_supplicant
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3838 [22:27:33] <greycat> You must be mixing releases or something.
3839 [22:27:47] <greycat> Otherwise, nothing you say makes sense.
3840 [22:27:57] <tdn> rudi_s, but will a safe way to do this be to: 1) Power down both servers; 2) take out one disk and plug it in the NEW server. 3) Power up new server and see that everything works or does not work. 4) Power down NEW server. 5) in a seperate machine, do dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdX bs=1M count=1 (or how big is this header?) 6) Then plug the disk with zeroed header back in the old server. As I understand, the o
3841 [22:28:03] <tdn> ld server will then start to mirror this disk again?
3842 [22:28:31] <tdn> rudi_s, or maybe dd'ing zeros to the entire device is not right. I should do this to the indivitual partitions, right?
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3844 [22:29:46] <jelly> bubbely: run the commands inside "script log.txt", that will open a new shell, run them, then exit that shell and the log file will contain all the output
3845 [22:30:11] <jelly> bubbely: but yeah it sounds as if you've mixed in packages from different debian releases
3846 [22:30:20] <greycat> (or non-Debian releases)
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3850 [22:31:14] <rudi_s> tdn: That would work (you may need to repartition the disk). - But an easier solution is to put both disks in the new server. In the worst case it won't boot, but it shouldn't damage the disks.
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3852 [22:31:26] <rudi_s> And nothing (problematic) should change on a normal boot anyway.
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3854 [22:31:41] <rudi_s> Of course you want to have backups of the system (at least the system partitions).
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3856 [22:32:05] <tdn> rudi_s, so I would imagine a worst case being that it DOES boot, but something changes during boot that makes it not boot in the old server again
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3859 [22:32:37] <tdn> rudi_s, I do have backups, but this is several TBs and backups are on USB disks, so it will take a while to recover.
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3867 [22:34:16] <rudi_s> tdn: I can't think of anything which could result in this scenario. - It could not boot if the disk names (sda, sdb) change if you don't have UUIDs, but if you put it in the original order back into the old system, they will be back to the old values.
3868 [22:34:37] <tdn> rudi_s, ok
3869 [22:34:50] <tdn> rudi_s, I have almost decided to try it out :)
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3871 [22:35:12] <tdn> rudi_s, however, it is going to be tomorrow. It is late now. Thanks for the help.
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3884 [22:40:21] <bubbely> Unable to locate package for anything i do that requires the internet and apt-get.. any ideas?
3885 [22:40:31] <bubbely> apt-upgrade worked..
3886 [22:41:09] <bubbely> nm
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3891 [22:43:59] <bolt> so my debian box, which I'm trying to put into my dmz, has a link local ipv6 address. it also has a slaac ipv6 address, and it makes more of them as temp addresses kind of randomly. it also gets a dhcpv6 address. how can I make it prefer a dhcpv6 address as source if it gets one? i want to make outgoing firewall rules on the router, and i can't have it jumping around to unpredictable addresses.
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3897 [22:46:21] <earendel> repl.sh </dev/null 2>&1 >logfile ..could u give me a quick kickstart for this arguments here? i know a|b is writing a.stdout to b.stdin. and a>b writes a.stdout to file b (>>appends to file) .. so whats the thougt behind doing < /dev/null (if this can be seen only with the rest, please say so) .. thx
3898 [22:46:43] <greycat> I'm almost 100% positive you want >logfile 2>&1
3899 [22:47:02] <earendel> 2> is like a second out right?
3900 [22:47:05] <greycat> Unless this is part of some larger compound command.
3901 [22:47:14] <earendel> but whats the rest?
3902 [22:47:14] <greycat> replaced-url
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3904 [22:47:22] <earendel> thx
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3906 [22:47:25] <greycat> replaced-url
3907 [22:47:27] <bolt> earendel: </dev/null basically closes stdin. it makes it point to /dev/null, from which there's nothing to read
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3911 [22:47:55] <earendel> ohh ok. would evtl. explain i cant connect via socket to it maybe?
3912 [22:48:06] <bolt> probably not
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3915 [22:48:25] <bolt> though the program might refuse to run when it can't read stdin, depending on what it's doing.
3916 [22:48:38] <bolt> ..in which case you wouldn't be able to connect to it
3917 [22:48:52] <greycat> </dev/null doesn't *close* stdin. It just means you get EOF immediately.
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3920 [22:49:08] <bolt> i said "basically" :)
3921 [22:49:10] <greycat> Useful if the thing would otherwise step on your toes.
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3926 [22:50:46] <earendel> ok. fairy enuff. i will try to make sense of it. short backbground: last time i was here this helped me to disown a node process running a irc client. not sure why it was so hard, to get it to run, but! somebody here in this channel like directly know what to do: the result is that script call as seen above
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3928 [22:51:10] <earendel> i will try to make it run without all that shizzle first
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3930 [22:51:18] <earendel> thx so far
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3942 [22:55:32] <earendel> that 055 Faq is written by..satan?
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3944 [22:56:58] <earendel> foo >/dev/null 2>&1 # produces no output
3945 [22:57:07] <earendel> awesome
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3947 [22:58:02] <earendel> foo 2>&1 >/dev/null # writes output to screen
3948 [22:58:13] <earendel> if you still dont get it. go back to windows.
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3953 [22:58:39] <greycat> Editors include redondos, greycat, lhunath, ormaaj, and two non-logged-in.
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3955 [22:59:09] <earendel> great. have some credit ;)
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3960 [23:01:24] <earendel> replaced-url
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3965 [23:03:09] <jelly> three cheers for non-logged-in!
3966 [23:03:22] <earendel> hail
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3981 [23:05:54] <earendel> is a 0> b THE SAME as a < b
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3984 [23:06:12] <Pepe> replaced-url
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3989 [23:06:47] <bernhardr> When i clone my ssd drive to a bigger ssd drive with for instance clonezilla.. will i need to edit fstab to be able to boot from the bigger drive ? (afterwards i would like to resize this drive).
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3991 [23:07:00] <earendel> wait a 0> b the same as b < a?
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3993 [23:07:49] <earendel> 1 for yes 0 for no. be lazy while making new friends!
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3996 [23:08:01] *** debhelper sets mode: +l 1705
3997 [23:08:16] <earendel> :(
3998 [23:08:46] <earendel> fuck. this takes too long. 2>&1 whats that &1 .. quickly
3999 [23:08:49] <missmbob> earendel: join #bash. this really isnt the place
4000 [23:09:09] <earendel> ah kay. thx Missbomb
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4004 [23:09:56] <earendel> sounds like some anonymous place with more newbies obscuring simple things
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4006 [23:09:58] <earendel> :P
4007 [23:10:07] <earendel> in order to soud clever.
4008 [23:10:14] <earendel> kids right?
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4014 [23:11:38] <teraflops> bernhardr: if you clone a disk the UUID does not change, but I dont know what clonezilla does
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4024 [23:13:56] <earendel> bernhadr: from my xp clonezilla handles all fine. small to bigger disk isnt exotic.
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4029 [23:14:37] <earendel> it offers working with paritiions or whole disks. i did both several times and it always worked.
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4031 [23:15:07] <bernhardr> earendelso it is actually disk to disk in the same system and then i would be able to boot from that new disk directly ?
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4037 [23:18:36] <bernhardr> This is the fstab on my server. replaced-url
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4039 [23:19:08] <bernhardr> i read that it sometimes need to be adjusted ? (confused).. this server also is LVM
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4043 [23:20:54] <bernhardr> I would first like to see if the cloned disk can boot. and afterwards resize rootfs /boot because i cant upgrade the kernel (write error)..
4044 [23:21:42] <earendel> well. for windows boot loader it would even set the partition as active .. if you want to avoid problems put it on the first partition and not some extended logical ones (which could at least cause problems with windows)
4045 [23:22:05] <earendel> you could test cloning some mini-boot
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4050 [23:22:55] <earendel> would 2>&1 basically write errors and stdout into the same thingy?
4051 [23:23:02] <somiaj> yes
4052 [23:23:11] <earendel> \o/
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4055 [23:23:12] <bernhardr> the disc i want to clone only has Debian 7 on it..
4056 [23:23:24] <somiaj> bernhardr: do you want to clone the disk or just the os?
4057 [23:23:41] <bernhardr> clone the ssd disk..
4058 [23:24:26] <bernhardr> because i want to try resizing on the cloned disc (so that i do not destroy the original disc when i try to resize it)
4059 [23:24:34] <earendel> who has the bigger balls .. unix guide tutorial authors or first semster maschinenbau students in flanelshirts?
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4063 [23:24:53] <earendel> i will kill you.;)
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4066 [23:25:49] <earendel> bernhardr: oh the original disk wont be touched.
4067 [23:25:50] <linuxthefish> will debian ever drop support for x86?
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4070 [23:26:34] <earendel> linuxthefish: why. have you managed to afford a 64bit machine?
4071 [23:26:36] <missmbob> linuxthefish: stretch will require 586 min
4072 [23:26:36] <teraflops> who knows…
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4074 [23:27:52] <bernhardr> earendel when i am able to clone the 120 gb ssd to the new 240 gb ssd i would try to resize the 240 gb to adjust the size of /boot so that ia cant upgrade the kernel. If that would work i would use the 240 as new boot disk and keep the 120 gb as backup disk.
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4076 [23:28:06] <linuxthefish> earendel for my personal machine yes, but i do some non profit work with older machines
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4079 [23:28:57] <earendel> bernhardr: better create two empty partitions a 120gb. and clone the disk to the first on the disk.
4080 [23:29:41] <earendel> clone the source to part0 on the ssd²
4081 [23:29:47] <teraflops> ugh
4082 [23:30:01] <teraflops> earendel: that's copying a partition then
4083 [23:30:25] <earendel> linuxthefish: ah.. so you do not wish them to drop support. sane!
4084 [23:30:28] <bernhardr> is that handy ? i would still need to resize that partition..
4085 [23:30:43] <bernhardr> btw Can i directly clone to an 240 gb samsung 850 evo (out of the box). or do i need to format that ssd disk first ?
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4088 [23:30:53] <linuxthefish> earendel, oldest is pentium 4 so i don't think it will effect for while
4089 [23:30:53] <earendel> i dont think its gonna be dropped in the next 15years.
4090 [23:31:03] <linuxthefish> ah ok, yeah that should be fine
4091 [23:32:03] <teraflops> linuxthefish: if you clone a disk with dd you do not need to create a partition on the destination obviously
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4096 [23:32:57] <dgriffi> does anyone still like using John Bradley's "xv" image viewer?
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4098 [23:33:05] <linuxthefish> teraflops, i think you mean someone else :p
4099 [23:33:25] <teraflops> linuxthefish: yep sorry :D
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4101 [23:34:00] <jelly> dgriffi: maaaaybe
4102 [23:34:25] <bernhardr> At least i will try with clonezilla first..
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4104 [23:35:06] <dgriffi> jelly: Stretch removed libpng12 from the repos so I converted xv to use version 1.5+. See replaced-url
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4106 [23:35:22] <dgriffi> jelly: it'll work out of the box except you'll need to manually install libjasper
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4108 [23:35:37] <earendel> bernhardr: create the partition on the target first.
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4110 [23:35:59] <dgriffi> jelly: it seems that libjasper is in-then-out-then-in-again with the repos
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4114 [23:36:34] <dgriffi> ...and I'm pondering another appeal to John to get him to change the license.
4115 [23:36:42] <earendel> i dont think its gonna be a problem to resize later.. but IF thats the more risky thing .. tho not risky at all. the source will remain untouched anyway.
4116 [23:36:43] <jelly> dgriffi: my last build does not seem to Depends: on any jaspers
4117 [23:37:00] <dgriffi> jelly: do you have your build somewhere visible on the net?
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4119 [23:37:24] <jelly> dgriffi: it's i386 only
4120 [23:37:42] <dgriffi> jelly: okay
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4123 [23:39:16] <earendel> bernhardr: also .. you wanna use a ssd a "backup" disk? hom many layers is your tp, good sir?
4124 [23:39:25] <earendel> as a*
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4130 [23:39:59] <jelly> dgriffi: also I'm not quite sure about redistribution rights
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4140 [23:42:01] <bubbely> is there an apt-get command to install x windows.. "Unable to open x display window manager cinnamon"
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4145 [23:44:04] <bubbely> these installs keep asking me to remove kernel also
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4147 [23:44:16] <tripkin> Hi. I am running stretch on one machine and like how apt works there. Is it safe to upgrade apt on my jessie server to the version in stretch? Really, will it break anything?
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4153 [23:46:07] <missmbob> tripkin: you cant. the deps arent in jessie
4154 [23:46:35] <tripkin> Fantastic! Thank you missmbob.
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4159 [23:47:21] <tripkin> I will just wait to do the upgrade once it has gone stable.
4160 [23:47:33] <bubbely> why does apt-get install xorg want to remove linux-image.49.0-2.amd64
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4165 [23:48:42] <Enrico_Menotti> jelly Ehm... I've been able to prepare the live CD with debian and boot it on my old laptop. Seems to work. I've chosen the "standard" version - the one with only the command line. Now I am a bit in trouble with the wireless. I got the CD including firmware. I was reading around and saw I should invoke first iwconfig, but it is not installed. Found it is part of wireless-tools. Also found the package online. Now I
4166 [23:48:42] <Enrico_Menotti> wonder whether I should download the package and install it in some way or the package may be already included on the live CD, and I just need to enable it. May you please clarify this?
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4171 [23:49:16] <bubbely> =( someone ?
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4175 [23:50:48] <jelly> Enrico_Menotti: I don't have a lot of experience with live images, but in my limited experience they get less love than installer images (see: lack of uefi support in jessie's live images)
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4178 [23:51:53] <jelly> Enrico_Menotti: dpkg -l wireless-tools will tell you whether it's installed. Maybe it's just the PATH under sudo is incomplete
4179 [23:52:46] <jelly> bubbely: linux-image-4.9.0-2-amd64 is part of debian testing or unstable branch. You're probably using packages from two different debian releases.
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4184 [23:53:04] <bubbely> jelly: im running 4.9.02 because its the only one that worked on my laptop after much research
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4186 [23:53:16] <bubbely> infact, someone in this channel todl me to use that version of debian
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4190 [23:53:37] <Enrico_Menotti> jelly Ok, I will check. If it's not installed, I think I should download it and put it on a flash drive, and from there install with dpkg. Am I right?
4191 [23:53:38] <bubbely> lol so im using smoething older than lenny
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4194 [23:54:07] <jelly> bubbely: if anyone here told you to enable repos for testing or unstable on an otherwise jessie (debian 8) installation, they did you a huge disservice
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4196 [23:54:47] <missmbob> !frankendebian
4197 [23:54:48] <dpkg> When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. See if you can convince ##linux to help.
4198 [23:54:50] <jelly> Enrico_Menotti: pretty much
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4203 [23:57:15] <jelly> bubbely: if they told you to install from a stretch (testing) installer, that's maybe saner, but then it looks like you're trying to install older packages into your stretch, which is not sane either. In any case, having full outputs of commands as per "bat (basic apt troubleshooting)" instructions would make it easier for to see what's going on and what's the simplest or safest way forward
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4206 [23:58:16] <jelly> bubbely: do you know which iso image you used for installation?
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4208 [23:58:21] <bubbely> trying to install 8.7.1 now
4209 [23:58:30] <bubbely> debian-testing-amd64-i386-netinst
4210 [23:58:47] <jelly> bubbely: how old was that testing netinst?
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4212 [23:59:21] <jelly> bubbely: if you're going for a fresh install, and you already know you're going to need wireless, use
4213 [23:59:24] <bubbely> im not sure
4214 [23:59:25] <jelly> !firmware images
4215 [23:59:26] <dpkg> Unofficial <netinst> images - containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for installing Debian 8 "Jessie" are available from replaced-url
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4218 [23:59:57] <bubbely> k so im gonna use firmware-8.7.1-amd64-netinst.iso
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