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122 [01:29:50] <dewd> When doing a debootstrap, it seems apt and lots of utils arent extracted/installed (they are downloaded), so lots of commands including apt are not found
123 [01:31:01] <themill> details would help... what version of debootstrap, what release of debian, how are you testing this, …
124 [01:31:52] <dewd> unstable and stable branches
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126 [01:32:10] <dewd> "testing" via chroot
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128 [01:32:28] <themill> that's no more information than I had before...
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133 [01:34:01] <dewd> I changed the path so they would be correct /bin, /sbin, /usr/bin, /usr/sbin. debootstrap version 1.0.89
134 [01:34:11] <cef> pantato: hey.. I decided to test changing my mouse (going back to an older mouse - a Logitech G9x) and I get 500 Hz BY DEFAULT with that. No idea why but evhz definitely gives a higher poll rate.
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136 [01:34:22] <dewd> What more would you like?
137 [01:34:35] <dewd> I've tried debians debootstrap and ubuntu.
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139 [01:35:56] <themill> what's the actual command you're issuing to make the chroot?
140 [01:36:40] <themill> What does «I changed the path so they would be correct» mean?
141 [01:36:45] <dewd> the command taken from the wiki: /usr/sbin/debootstrap --no-check-gpg --arch amd64 unstable /mnt/debian
142 [01:37:43] <themill> works fine here: -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 14424 Feb 22 15:02 /usr/bin/apt*
143 [01:37:45] <dewd> themill, the path from my current install would be slightly different, so I made it what i stated above
144 [01:38:20] <dewd> its going to the /mnt/usr/bin/apt?
145 [01:38:26] <themill> not inside the chroot
146 [01:38:26] <dewd> ls shows no apt
147 [01:39:03] <dewd> so maybe thats the issue.
148 [01:39:10] <themill> I really want to see real commands and real output from you. I'm understanding little of what you're doing and I can't reproduce your problem
149 [01:39:20] <dewd> when i chroot in, whereis apt-get shows nothing
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151 [01:40:30] <dewd> im just going by the steps in the wiki
152 [01:40:38] <dewd> or help pages rather
153 [01:40:49] <themill> real commands and real output...
154 [01:40:57] <abrotman> So give themill the URL you're using, and show him the commands you're using
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156 [01:41:29] <themill> dewd: you've only told me «[11:32] <dewd> "testing" via chroot» not what you're actually doing.
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163 [01:42:56] <dewd> sorry, wifi hiccup
164 [01:43:24] <dewd> It fails when i try and use apt to install makedev, because apt is not found
165 [01:43:35] <dewd> My path is: export PATH="$PATH:/usr/sbin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/bin"
166 [01:44:01] <abrotman> dewd: what command are you using for debootstrap?
167 [01:44:08] <dewd> i pasted it above
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169 [01:44:26] <themill> except you said you changed it
170 [01:44:28] <dewd> /usr/sbin/debootstrap --no-check-gpg --arch amd64 unstable /mnt/debian
171 [01:44:32] <dewd> thats what i used
172 [01:44:37] <dewd> taken from MY shell
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174 [01:45:27] <themill> and what does "find /mnt/debian/usr/bin" output, fun from outside the chroot
175 [01:45:31] <themill> run
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183 [01:48:21] <dewdr> god i hate my wifi
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187 [01:49:57] * themill wonders if debootstrap completed successfully
188 [01:49:59] <dewd> takes forever to download
189 [01:50:07] <dewd> themill, no errors all 3 times ive ran it
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191 [01:50:26] <dewd> I: Extracting zlib1g...
192 [01:50:33] <dewd> finishes with that
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195 [01:50:57] <themill> doesn't sound successful
196 [01:51:07] <dewd> i see it retrieve and validate apt
197 [01:51:15] <dewd> but it does not extract
198 [01:51:29] <dewd> so what should i be seeing?
199 [01:52:03] <themill> I always use --verbose, let me check
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201 [01:52:57] <themill> I: Installing core packages... and then lots more should follow
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205 [01:55:55] <Evidlo> I've been screwing with dependencies and I think I've broken things on my Pi. I get 'no version information available' for liblua5.2.so.0. Is there anything I can try before I reinstall?
206 [01:56:07] <dewd> weird
207 [01:56:09] <dewd> replaced-url
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209 [01:57:34] <dewd> trying verbose now, my connection is garbage so may take a bit
210 [01:57:49] <dewd> brb
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212 [01:58:03] <missmbob> it says it couldnt get various packages, that's why it stopped. probably because your wifi sucks.
213 [01:58:07] <themill> apt-cacher-ng ftw
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215 [01:58:42] <themill> I came across another user who had debootrstrap just stopping at that point too. never figured out why
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217 [01:59:20] <themill> dewd: what's the host system?
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224 [03:06:46] <dewd> themill, manjaro/arch
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227 [03:07:21] <themill> amd64?
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229 [03:07:24] <dewd> yup
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232 [03:07:45] <themill> It's using ar not dpkg-deb to do the extraction but I don't know why that would make a difference
233 [03:07:54] <dewd> its going fast this time
234 [03:07:59] <dewd> it shouldnt
235 [03:08:04] <dewd> the website says to use ar
236 [03:08:32] <dewd> i need to arpspoof everyone off my wifi :P
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239 [03:11:20] <dewd> themill, ok it failed and i used verbose
240 [03:11:35] <dewd> W: Failure trying to run: chroot /mnt/debian mount -t proc proc /proc
241 [03:12:28] <dewd> Which is because it cant find the mount command in the chroot i assume, which i kinda fixed before by chrooting in and updating the PATH
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245 [03:13:56] <themill> You keep saying "updating the path" without explaining what you mean. It doesn't sound good.
246 [03:14:08] <dewd> i posted twice exactly what i mean
247 [03:14:16] <dewd> My path is: export PATH="$PATH:/usr/sbin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/bin"
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249 [03:14:33] <dewd> thats the command i used to make it see missing commands
250 [03:14:39] <dewd> such as mount
251 [03:14:58] <themill> it still doesn't sound good
252 [03:15:05] <dewd> why?
253 [03:15:21] <themill> why are you doing it?
254 [03:15:48] <themill> "I have to set my PATH to the default because it's currently crazy" is not sounding good...
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256 [03:16:55] <dewdr> |dangit
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260 [03:17:18] <dewd> i probably missed your last msg
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262 [03:17:25] <themill> "I have to set my PATH to the default because it's currently crazy" is not sounding good...
263 [03:18:18] <dewd> and why is that
264 [03:18:26] <dewd> i set them to sane values
265 [03:18:33] <themill> why do you need to?
266 [03:18:52] <dewd> because nothing worked in the chroot otherwise?
267 [03:18:59] <dewd> no ls, no mount, nothing
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269 [03:19:05] <themill> So it's not sane to begin with?
270 [03:19:27] <themill> How about setting it to something that works *prior* to running debootstrap rather than after debootstrap fails?
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272 [03:19:49] <abrotman> Could it be the version of debootstrap?
273 [03:20:06] <themill> it's the one in sid and it wfm
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275 [03:21:15] <dewdr> need to fix the router(s), one sec
276 [03:22:19] <themill> is arch one of these distros that has merged /usr already and decided not to bother with backwards compatibility?
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279 [03:23:26] <themill> seems so... #718632
280 [03:23:27] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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282 [03:23:49] <themill> yet another case of arch changing things and then forcing everyone else to clean up their mess
283 [03:24:22] <somiaj> wonder if just giving debootstrap the usrmerge flag would make things just work.
284 [03:24:29] <themill> heh might
285 [03:24:37] <introom> where can I get the debug symbols for replaced-url
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289 [03:26:38] <dewd> sory, im working on the routers
290 [03:27:55] <somiaj> dewd: the --merged-usr may help you. themill found bug #718632 due to an issue with arch and usrmerge it seems.
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292 [03:28:16] <dewd> that switch?
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294 [03:28:31] <dewd> will try, thanks guys
295 [03:28:31] <themill> or setting PATH prior to starting debootstrap
296 [03:28:58] <somiaj> the PATH issue is due to arch and usrmerge, There are various things you can try to get around it, the bug report may have a workaround in there too, I didn't look
297 [03:29:19] <themill> mostly just people looking at it going "wtf have they done now"
298 [03:29:24] <dewd> ok, so its not a switch
299 [03:29:42] <ryouma> usr merge means merging sbin, /usr/sbin, /bin, and /usr/bin into a single dir? just guessing here.
300 [03:29:51] <themill> --merged-usr Create /{bin,sbin,lib}/ symlinks pointing to their counterparts in /usr/.
301 [03:29:53] <dewd> yes
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303 [03:29:55] <somiaj> well debootstrap has the --merged-usr switch, this will install usrmerge in the chroot to maybe more match what your host arch is doing.
304 [03:30:20] <dewd> hmm not sure why its saying it isnt an option
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306 [03:30:40] <themill> not running the version you think you're running?
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308 [03:31:04] <somiaj> what is the output of debootstrap --version
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317 [03:34:43] <dewd> ok its going now
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319 [03:34:57] <dewd> i was trying using an old debootstrap when i was desperate
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330 [03:41:26] <dewd> huh, now it ends at a different spot
331 [03:41:36] <dewd> I: Chosen extractor for .deb packages: ar
332 [03:41:36] <dewd> I: Extracting libacl1...
333 [03:41:36] <dewd> \
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335 [03:43:21] <dewd> and when i export path before chroot, i get the same result, mount and ls etc appear, but lots of things missing like apt
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340 [03:45:22] <themill> sounds like it's dying when it first tries to extract a package
341 [03:45:43] <dewd> well other times it extracts lots of them
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343 [03:46:19] <dewd> trying again srtting the path before the debootstrap
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346 [03:47:34] <binaryc> recomended debian ldap (freeipa) client configuration for debian stable ? ( do the nss/pamsss/krb5/etc..manually, freeipa-client from sid [no debport yet], numeezy.fr freeipa-client package ) ... or something else ?
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357 [03:51:26] <dewd> trying using the debootstrap from archs own repos
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388 [04:14:51] <dewd> themill, for some odd reason the arch repo version works, its unpacking the base fine
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395 [04:19:09] <themill> interesting; would be worth comparing the two
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399 [04:19:56] <dewd> yup, will check it out in a bit
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456 [05:02:26] <pantato> cef: weird. I just made a thread here: replaced-url
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530 [06:09:53] <introom> hi.
531 [06:10:06] <introom> how to find the doc for stapfuncs?
532 [06:10:23] <introom> replaced-url
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551 [06:24:23] <Evidlo> is there much of a difference between normal debian and debian .img builds for a pi?
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555 [06:29:18] <themill> Evidlo: debian doesn't provide any images at all; the pi can't even boot without its own funny kernel
556 [06:29:50] <themill> ,file stapfuncs
557 [06:29:54] <judd> No packages in jessie/amd64 were found with that file.
558 [06:30:03] <themill> introom: ^^
559 [06:30:58] <themill> ,file *stapfuncs*
560 [06:31:01] <judd> Search for *stapfuncs* in jessie/amd64: systemtap-doc: usr/share/man/man3/stapfuncs.3stap.gz
561 [06:31:10] <themill> or maybe I just forgot how to drive judd
562 [06:31:20] * judd slaps themill
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580 [06:54:43] <Abhijit> hi
581 [06:54:48] <Abhijit> how to set yes to dpkg install?
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594 [07:06:32] <themill> Abhijit: what are you really trying to do?
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602 [07:08:42] <Abhijit> themill, a bash script to install package. not on debain system hence cant test, but i just wanted to know how can I make dpkg not wait for me to type "yes" to install
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606 [07:09:57] <sky> --yes
607 [07:10:09] <themill> Abhijit: dpkg doesn't ask you to type "yes" to install
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609 [07:10:19] <Abhijit> ok
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649 [07:43:23] <McErroneous> Hi, why is /bin/sh behaving different than /bin/bash , if /bin/sh is a symlink to /bin/bash (having no additional options) it should behave exactly the same as /bin/bash, but it does not., e.g. the buildin "set"-command...
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651 [07:45:20] <McErroneous> If i execute /bin/sh the "set"-command works like it should, but executing /bin/bash the "set"-command does result in a different output...
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654 [07:46:15] <krytarik> McErroneous: See replaced-url
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662 [07:53:42] <McErroneous> please help, just need an accurate answer...
663 [07:56:16] <cef> pantato: I replied to it with my experiences, fwiw.
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668 [07:59:58] <pantato> cef: thanks
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685 [08:16:43] <pantato> cef: I'm considering downgrading my kernel to whatever ubuntu 14.04 uses and seeing if that makes a difference.
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688 [08:17:37] <pantato> cef: I found another thread for this issue just now: replaced-url
689 [08:18:24] <pantato> cef: doesn't look like there's any insights though :\
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694 [08:29:23] <pantato> cef: looks like we're using pretty much the same kernel
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696 [08:30:53] <pantato> does anyone know a current guide i can follow to downgrade my kernel properly?
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705 [08:36:09] <pantato> cef: i booted into kernel 3.16 ....no dice
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712 [08:45:52] <pantato> cef: I don't think anyone is gonna help us :((((
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717 [08:49:22] <cef> pantato: well I'm ok now.. I'm just using my old mouse.. but yeah.. seems odd..
718 [08:49:37] <cef> pantato: did you try setting it to 250Hz?
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720 [08:50:25] <cef> pantato: not useful in the long run but it might give us some more data points.
721 [08:50:56] <cef> pantato: I'm just wondering if it's running at half the set speed, with some sort of max that isn't 1000Hz anymore.
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723 [08:52:59] <pantato> cef: you said you have your set at 1, right?
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725 [08:53:07] <pantato> what's the parameter?
726 [08:53:16] <cef> pantato: currently yes..
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728 [08:53:58] <cef> mousepoll=1, which should be 1000 Hz, yes?
729 [08:54:04] <TurBoss> Hello, i have an old nas where only lenny is supporded ( "binary-arm" oxnas), is posible to have nfs version 4 on it? thanks
730 [08:54:50] <TurBoss> armv5tejl is supporte by newer releases?
731 [08:54:59] <pantato> cef: then it should be running at 1000 hz...
732 [08:55:09] <pantato> i don't think usbhid is doing shit. I think it's just your mouse
733 [08:55:37] <cef> pantato: I know.. and this mouse has definitely done 1000 in the past.. currently it's doing 500.
734 [08:55:50] <cef> pantato: whereas the other mouse is stuck at 125
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736 [08:56:55] <newcoder> Why is linux named as vmlinuz in /boot ?
737 [08:57:48] <nkuttler> TurBoss: does the kernel support it?
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739 [08:57:56] <pantato> cef: This mouse can do 1000 hz in Ubuntu 14.04 and Windows.
740 [08:58:07] <TurBoss> seems to no
741 [08:58:18] <TurBoss> cat /proc/fs/nfsd/versions +2 +3
742 [08:58:21] <pantato> so irritating because I love everything else about debian so far but this is pretty crucial to my gaming oef
743 [08:58:34] <TurBoss> no chance?
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745 [08:58:39] <pantato> i play counter-strike 1.6 and it's pretty unforgiving.
746 [08:59:00] <nkuttler> TurBoss: um, so do you want a new debian or just a new nfs?
747 [08:59:16] <TurBoss> jsut nfs 4 support
748 [08:59:26] <TurBoss> nkuttler^
749 [08:59:35] <TurBoss> just*
750 [09:01:09] <cef> pantato: ok.. seems that the debian kernels are compiled with CONFIG_HZ_250=y rather than CONFIG_HZ_1000=y, but I dunno if that will make a difference.
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753 [09:04:26] <pantato> cef: if that were the case wouldn't my hz be 250?
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766 [09:13:33] <thereyougo> say I hibernated PC with USB flash drive in it, now what if I unplug that USB flash drive and plug it to another PC and copy some files on it and then plug it back to hibernated PC and turn it on, will there be problems with that flash drive now ?
767 [09:14:10] <thereyougo> by the way is "Stretch" a dog with a spring in the middle of his body ?
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771 [09:16:03] <cef> pantato: I suspect it's not related, but I did see someone ask about it on one of the many threads I found.
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796 [09:33:04] <cef> pantato: interesting. I found one USB port on my machine that when I plug the mouse into it, I get about 500 Hz average, but very rarely, it peaks at 1000Hz for the Latest value
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806 [09:35:52] <cef> pantato: ugh.. ok.. so my mouse has profiles built into the mouse.. only one of them seems to support 1000Hz.. the other 2 are capped at 500Hz. Go figure!
807 [09:36:01] <bernhardr> Can i clone my 120gb server boot ssd disk to an 240 gb ssd disk and boot from the 240gb ssd disk ?
808 [09:36:19] <TurBoss> clonezilla
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810 [09:36:49] <cef> bernhardr: yes. Something like clonezilla or, if you don't care about partition size, you might even be able to use dd.
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812 [09:37:10] <pantato> cef: yeah my mouse is probably the oldest pro gaming mouse on the market. Technically it's not really on the market
813 [09:37:11] <TurBoss> later you can use gparted livecd to resize the partitions
814 [09:37:16] <cef> bernhardr: but you'll want to boot off another disk again.
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816 [09:37:37] <pantato> cef: replaced-url
817 [09:37:50] <pantato> cef: i got 1 black and 1 yellow :)
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819 [09:38:03] <cef> bernhardr: as in, you need to boot off a 3rd disk to copy from the old to the new. that could be a USB key with clonezilla on it, etc.
820 [09:38:41] <bernhardr> ok actually i want to resize boot since i cant upgrade the kernel.. cant write..
821 [09:38:43] <cef> pantato: oh I've had a few of those in my past.
822 [09:39:16] <cef> bernhardr: clone it, then resize.
823 [09:39:16] <bernhardr> but i would like to clone it to another disk first to try there so not to destroy the first disk.
824 [09:39:30] <TurBoss> be carefull bernhardr back up your data first
825 [09:39:40] <cef> bernhardr: you've looked at cleaning up logs, etc?
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827 [09:40:26] <bernhardr> cef yes, one moment ill show you
828 [09:40:31] <cef> bernhardr: yeah.. clone it to the 256gb ssd and play with that.
829 [09:41:24] <bernhardr> replaced-url
830 [09:42:03] <bernhardr> I could also boot clonzilla from a cd / dvd and then clone it right ?
831 [09:42:20] <TurBoss> yes
832 [09:42:25] <TurBoss> but clone disk to disk
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834 [09:42:30] <TurBoss> not partitions
835 [09:42:37] <TurBoss> as you are using lvm
836 [09:42:40] <TurBoss> seems
837 [09:42:55] <TurBoss> be carefull selecting origin destination
838 [09:42:58] <TurBoss> ;)
839 [09:42:59] <bernhardr> Actually would the new 250 gb boot directly when i clone the 120 to it (to see if it works).
840 [09:43:05] <TurBoss> yes
841 [09:43:09] <TurBoss> i do it all the time
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843 [09:43:48] <TurBoss> but before cloning do a backup
844 [09:43:50] <TurBoss> :D
845 [09:43:52] <bernhardr> Yes the cloning part will be easy for me. Disk to Disk.. first ill make a backup of my work on thge 120 gb
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850 [09:45:31] <bernhardr> When i have cloned it how would i do the resizing on the 250 gb disk ?
851 [09:46:31] <TurBoss> do you use lvm?
852 [09:46:41] <bernhardr> yes
853 [09:47:07] <bernhardr> but im not sure if that goes for the whole disk.
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857 [09:48:31] <TurBoss> gparted does work with lvm ?
858 [09:48:34] <TurBoss> not sure
859 [09:48:42] <TurBoss> there is a lvm manager with gui
860 [09:48:50] <TurBoss> can't remember the name
861 [09:48:56] <TurBoss> lvm-manager :D
862 [09:49:07] <bernhardr> within webmin i see lvm
863 [09:49:20] <TurBoss> but you need to do it from a live cd
864 [09:49:21] <TurBoss> no?
865 [09:50:28] <pantato> cef: i love this mouse except for the scroll wheel
866 [09:50:31] <TurBoss> replaced-url
867 [09:50:34] <bernhardr> what do you mean with no ?
868 [09:50:34] <TurBoss> take a look
869 [09:50:45] <TurBoss> there is a tool here
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871 [09:52:15] <bernhardr> this can be used on debian 7 (my console server) also ?
872 [09:52:29] <TurBoss> sry not sure...
873 [09:54:32] <bernhardr> Ok, any first ill try clonezilla later today to clone the disk to see if it works and boot from it
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875 [09:54:53] <TurBoss> oki
876 [09:54:54] <TurBoss> :)
877 [09:54:54] <bernhardr> when that works ill come back to discuss the resizing.. thanks for now..
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961 [10:51:56] <Mindiell> hi there, just noticed that one of my server is showing me an anacron start every 3 seconds (via journalctl -f)
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963 [10:52:16] <Mindiell> I think this is not normal at all and would like to know what I can do ;o)
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1007 [11:11:04] <mazert> hello, do you know how to access #debian-next ? now it ask me an invitation.
1008 [11:11:53] <CutMeOwnThroat> it's on irc.oftc.net
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1010 [11:13:11] <mazert> CutMeOwnThroat: ah yes, i forgot :p thanks
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1015 [11:17:06] <Mindiell> even if I kill my anacron service and cron service, journalctl show me 3-second anacron start :o/
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1017 [11:19:22] <Mindiell> and a ps show me nothing :o/
1018 [11:19:26] <rca_connection> one time I had trouble with exim4 and I just RENAMED the binary and made the problem go away
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1021 [11:20:16] <rca_connection> might not solve your problem might help you find what it is
1022 [11:20:37] <rca_connection> reinstal / remove anacron also
1023 [11:22:52] <rca_connection> other things can write to your logs that might look like anacron is doing it
1024 [11:22:54] <Mindiell> well, that was quit effective :D
1025 [11:23:25] <Mindiell> re-installed it => run every 3 seconds !
1026 [11:23:31] <Mindiell> .... /O/
1027 [11:23:35] <rca_connection> ;o(
1028 [11:23:49] <rca_connection> if it was crontab I would do a crontab -e
1029 [11:24:09] <Mindiell> got nothing in crontab for root user
1030 [11:24:24] <Mindiell> and anacron is launched via cron at 7.30
1031 [11:24:37] <Mindiell> so once by day normally
1032 [11:24:39] <Mindiell> :o/
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1042 [11:31:17] <rca_connection> Mindiell: you see a /etc/apm/* maybe stuff for anacron in there?
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1044 [11:32:55] <CutMeOwnThroat> Mindiell, show us the actual outputs
1045 [11:33:04] <CutMeOwnThroat> you can use paste.debian.net
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1057 [11:37:28] <mender27> Morning :).
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1065 [11:44:05] <Mindiell> rca_connection: I got 2 config files in apm/
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1067 [11:45:05] <Mindiell> one for anacron
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1070 [11:46:02] <Mindiell> and apparently it checks if on power or not
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1073 [11:47:07] <Mindiell> rca_connection: So I should remove this script in order not to have anacron started too much ?
1074 [11:47:28] <Mindiell> Apparently, it's starting anacron which will not run if power is not plugged
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1076 [11:47:47] <Mindiell> we just try to run anacron every time and let it abort if
1077 [11:47:47] <Mindiell> # there's no AC. You'll see a message on the cron syslog facility
1078 [11:47:47] <Mindiell> # (typically /var/log/cron) if it does run.
1079 [11:47:50] <Mindiell> hmmm
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1082 [11:48:08] <Mindiell> woups, sorry
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1092 [11:57:00] <Mindiell> CutMeOwnThroat: I'll do that
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1094 [11:57:53] <Mindiell> CutMeOwnThroat: replaced-url
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1096 [11:58:03] <unborn> does anyone know when apt will completely replace apt-get ?
1097 [11:58:04] <rca_connection> Mindiell: my intent ain't to break your system
1098 [11:58:14] <Mindiell> rca_connection: sure ;o)
1099 [11:58:36] <Mindiell> for now : moving the /etc/apm/anacron file somewhere else did not change anything
1100 [11:58:43] <rca_connection> I don't know what your scripts are doin, but I tryt to give ya a few ideas I would be on about
1101 [11:58:47] <Mindiell> and : uninstalling anacron stops the "problem"
1102 [11:59:00] <Mindiell> rca_connection: and any help is welcome ;o)
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1105 [11:59:04] <rca_connection> so something is loading up anacron
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1110 [11:59:14] <rca_connection> has a task it wants to do...
1111 [12:00:14] <rca_connection> audio can load things up for constant tasks, I note the sound volume causes network traffic on 244.0.0.56
1112 [12:00:27] <rca_connection> weird things I would be looking for
1113 [12:00:45] <rca_connection> something that wants time constantly pounded
1114 [12:00:52] <rca_connection> check cpu
1115 [12:01:13] <rca_connection> for binaries running
1116 [12:01:40] <rca_connection> if you got no dependencies remove anacron
1117 [12:01:55] <rca_connection> I got a lil nginx don't need it at all
1118 [12:02:18] <Mindiell> stopped all my supervisor tasks and apache
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1121 [12:02:54] <Mindiell> nginx stopped too ;o)
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1126 [12:04:38] <Mindiell> mysql stopped
1127 [12:06:02] <rca_connection> I don't know if you have pastbin command line but cat syslog | grep 'anacron' | pastebin puts my log on pastebin
1128 [12:06:45] <rca_connection> and you can change to 'cron' for both cron and anacron entries
1129 [12:06:56] <rca_connection> maybe help ya figure this out
1130 [12:07:08] <Mindiell> syslog ?
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1132 [12:07:14] <rca_connection> messages
1133 [12:07:34] <rca_connection> kern.log
1134 [12:07:39] <Mindiell> ah
1135 [12:07:43] <rca_connection> I don't know which log you got
1136 [12:07:51] <Mindiell> I tried syslog but got the same as in the pastebin
1137 [12:08:07] <Mindiell> nothing in kern.log
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1140 [12:08:48] <rca_connection> systemd I see
1141 [12:09:08] <rca_connection> I didn't see you had a pastebin up (my scrollback)
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1143 [12:09:20] <rca_connection> I wonder what
1144 [12:09:24] <rca_connection> 'is in your systemd
1145 [12:09:28] <Mindiell> replaced-url
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1150 [12:13:09] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
1151 [12:13:22] <mender27> Morning there, BluesKaj! Remember me?
1152 [12:13:54] <BluesKaj> yes, hi mender27
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1156 [12:15:14] <mender27> BluesKaj, did some distro-hopping, but I'm back on Debian with ZFS. Almost fried one hard drive and I have a new array now.
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1158 [12:16:20] <Mindiell> ok, renaming the /etc/init.d/anacron stop it too :o)
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1160 [12:16:27] <dante_> is there a way to create a bootable usb with windows 7?
1161 [12:16:40] <mender27> Not really, no.
1162 [12:17:01] <BluesKaj> mender27,ok, good, experimenting can be fun but one has find one's center
1163 [12:17:14] <Mindiell> ok, remove anacron
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1165 [12:17:20] <Mindiell> I'll stop to serach for now
1166 [12:17:28] <mender27> BluesKaj, yes, I constantly get annoyed with myself when I distro-hop. I break things that work :/.
1167 [12:17:36] <rca_connection> Mindiell: I think your getting real close
1168 [12:17:45] <rca_connection> it's something in one of thos text files
1169 [12:18:10] <dgriffi> dante_: I suppose you could make a bootable thumb drive on windows 7 using a windows version of dd and a debian install iso
1170 [12:18:16] <rca_connection> maybe search through the files for the number 3 (just grepping through it all)
1171 [12:18:24] <rca_connection> I don't know
1172 [12:18:40] <Hyp3ri0n> dante_: yes
1173 [12:18:41] <BluesKaj> mender27, I keep a stable distro as a fallback on a separate partition from my testing '
1174 [12:18:51] <Hyp3ri0n> !win32diskimager
1175 [12:18:52] <dpkg> win32diskimager is much more reliable than <unetbootin> for copying ISO images to USB sticks and you can download it from replaced-url
1176 [12:19:12] <rca_connection> Mindiell: if you got a live version you can compare the directories and see what's been added
1177 [12:19:51] <rca_connection> I wish you good luck
1178 [12:20:08] <Hyp3ri0n> dante_: use win32diskimager to do tht for you
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1182 [12:20:38] <mender27> BluesKaj, one planning to have one too, but then the bigger 2TB drive died.
1183 [12:21:02] <dante_> i trying to create it from a debian machine
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1185 [12:21:20] <mender27> dante_, unless you have a legal .iso of Windows 7, which you cannot download nowadays.
1186 [12:21:23] <Hyp3ri0n> dante_: what steps did you follow
1187 [12:21:41] <dante_> i try with dd, winusb, unetbootin
1188 [12:21:42] <rca_connection> Mindiell: one more IDEA.. in synaptic (if you have a head installed) you can go to properties of anacron and see where all the files got installed to
1189 [12:21:47] <BluesKaj> large hdds seem to have a short life span
1190 [12:21:53] <BluesKaj> msantana,^
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1192 [12:22:09] <BluesKaj> oops mender27^
1193 [12:22:11] <Hyp3ri0n> dante_: what OS are you targetting?
1194 [12:22:53] <Mindiell> rca_connection: ths for everything ;o)
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1196 [12:23:11] <dante_> okay, I'm using debian 8 and I'm trying to create a bootable windows 7 usb
1197 [12:23:11] <Mindiell> it's a server so no ux
1198 [12:23:25] <Hyp3ri0n> dante_: idk then
1199 [12:23:43] <Hyp3ri0n> dante_: do you own tht windows iso?
1200 [12:23:44] <rca_connection> Mindiell: a vm on another workstation might not be a bad idea to compare files
1201 [12:23:57] <dante_> yes
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1204 [12:24:20] <Hyp3ri0n> then use dd to do it on debian,dont use unetbootin
1205 [12:24:33] <dante_> i have try with dd
1206 [12:24:44] <Hyp3ri0n> dd bs=4M if=/foo of=/bar
1207 [12:25:03] <dante_> okay, I will try again
1208 [12:25:03] <Hyp3ri0n> did you try tht?
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1210 [12:25:07] <dante_> yes
1211 [12:25:13] <BluesKaj> dante_, replaced-url
1212 [12:25:16] <Hyp3ri0n> su?
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1214 [12:25:34] <Wally> Does anyone have a way to tell linux to ignore MacOS ._ files
1215 [12:26:10] <n4dir> ignore them when doing what?
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1217 [12:26:30] <Wally> Well it's more for emulators that see the ._file and then start going "hey this doesn't work"
1218 [12:26:31] <n4dir> extglob comes to mind, this way or the other
1219 [12:26:39] <dante_> BluesKaj: I have no machine with windows installed on it
1220 [12:26:52] <dante_> I need to make it from debian machine
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1223 [12:28:27] <Hyp3ri0n> dante_: use dd
1224 [12:28:34] <BluesKaj> dante_, this is debian support, not windows, ..google is your friend , use it.
1225 [12:28:46] <TimurTheLame> dante_, you could follow this guide replaced-url
1226 [12:28:51] <rca_connection> windows is like the enemy now lol
1227 [12:29:02] <BluesKaj> Hyp3ri0n, dd won't make it bootable afaik
1228 [12:29:20] <Wally> dante_ what are you trying to achieve :|
1229 [12:29:21] <Hyp3ri0n> BluesKaj: may i ask why?
1230 [12:29:40] <TimurTheLame> dante_, the method works, but you need an application that you won't find in debian's repos and it's slightly complicated depending on how much linux you know
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1232 [12:30:12] <BluesKaj> Hyp3ri0n, not sure, i just know it wouldn't boot for me
1233 [12:30:32] <Hyp3ri0n> BluesKaj: better know the answer before saying tht
1234 [12:30:39] <dante_> TimurTheLame: Thanks, I have forgot about tail
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1237 [12:31:10] <n4dir> Wally: what emulators, how do they "see" something?
1238 [12:31:16] <dante_> BluesKaj: it was a question for debian support!
1239 [12:31:28] <dante_> I'm trying to do something using Debian
1240 [12:31:31] <BluesKaj> Hyp3ri0n, same goes for you, don't recommend unless you know it works
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1242 [12:31:59] <BluesKaj> dante debian doen't support windows
1243 [12:32:10] <Hyp3ri0n> BluesKaj: how can you tell tht dd wont work? if you dont know it doesnt work?
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1247 [12:32:53] <BluesKaj> Hyp3ri0n, ok then try it , youi'll find out for yourself
1248 [12:33:17] <Hyp3ri0n> im not the one whos installing windows
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1250 [12:34:05] <BluesKaj> oh wow, good answer
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1252 [12:34:22] <dante_> BluesKaj: I have no more words for you, thanks anyway, if you don't know to answer just stay out of discution
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1256 [12:36:24] <overdrive> hi ppl, one stupid question; I was checking some versions of the software I have currently in my debian and they look quite old, e.g. Ansible 1.7.3. I am using jessie 8.7 testing. Is that normal? I was expecting to get the last or one of the latest stable releases from for example Ansible (closer to 2.2.1.0)
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1258 [12:36:49] <overdrive> I did of course apt-get update and upgrade. But for sure, I have something wrong/missing.
1259 [12:36:55] <bazhang> ,v ansible
1260 [12:36:56] <judd> Package: ansible on amd64 -- wheezy-backports: 1.7.2+dfsg-2~bpo70+1; jessie: 1.7.2+dfsg-2; jessie-backports: 2.2.1.0-1~bpo8+1; sid: 2.2.1.0-1; stretch: 2.2.1.0-1
1261 [12:37:46] <bazhang> overdrive, jessie-backports
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1263 [12:38:53] <TimurTheLame> bazhang, correct me if I'm wrong, but stretch/testing shows that he should have 2.2.1
1264 [12:39:31] <bazhang> TimurTheLame, I thought he said he was on jessie
1265 [12:39:43] <petn-randall> overdrive: Stable means that that software will only get security fixes and other major fixes, not feature updates. That ensures that the amount of bugs in stable can only get lower. If you need more current software, you can always grab a newer version from backports.
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1267 [12:40:13] <Hyp3ri0n> Jessie carries old but stable versions of software,while Sid carries newer but unstable versions
1268 [12:40:46] <Hyp3ri0n> sup bazhang
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1270 [12:42:03] <mzs114> overdrive: you can also use pip to install a specific version of Ansible, I did this on Debian
1271 [12:42:20] <mender27> overdrive, are you using Jessie Stable or Jessie Testing?
1272 [12:43:25] <petn-randall> mender27: There is no "jessie testing".
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1285 [12:50:42] <mender27> petn-randall, there is if one didn't do "dist-upgrade" after a Testing freeze, no?
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1287 [12:51:33] <Hyp3ri0n> update sources.list > apt-get update && apt-get upgrade > wallah
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1289 [12:53:01] <TomTomTosch> that's not right. besides you read the release notes first. they describe the whole process and potential issue.
1290 [12:53:20] <petn-randall> mender27: They wouldn't be using Debian 8._7_ then.
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1292 [12:54:07] <Hyp3ri0n> TomTomTosch: yup
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1295 [12:54:53] <BluesKaj> running debian stretch here and ansible version is 2.2.1.0-1
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1298 [12:55:49] <Hyp3ri0n> also you dont recommend a beginner to run sid/stretch . . .
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1300 [12:56:37] <n4dir> even before using backports one will first of all want to understand the way debian works. The question "why are versions old" shows that one doesn't know it
1301 [12:57:17] <BluesKaj> what beginner?
1302 [12:58:04] <BluesKaj> what recommendation?
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1304 [12:58:26] <bazhang> this turned into a sort of spanish inquisiton
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1306 [12:59:06] <BluesKaj> heh
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1311 [13:01:11] <petn-randall> n4dir: That is a completely fine question to ask, and mender27 got an answer to that. You're maybe mixing up backports with testing/sid?
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1313 [13:02:09] <n4dir> Of course the question is fine. But it shows that one doesn't understand the main way debian works yet.
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1315 [13:02:29] <CutMeOwnThroat> it works by having old software ^^
1316 [13:02:32] <petn-randall> n4dir: So what? Everyone started out like that at some point.
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1320 [13:02:48] <Pepe> Hello guys
1321 [13:02:55] <bazhang> hi
1322 [13:02:56] <TomTomTosch> hoi
1323 [13:02:59] <Pepe> What's wrong with Debian kernel with 4.9.0 ?
1324 [13:03:11] <bazhang> since when
1325 [13:03:15] <n4dir> Yes. Of course. All i say it that the first thing which should be answered is not how to get newer versions (via backports), but why is debian that way
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1328 [13:04:02] <TomTomTosch> but petn-randall did that.
1329 [13:04:02] <petn-randall> Pepe: You tell us.
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1331 [13:04:21] <n4dir> Or you say: i don't really care to understand debian, all i want it to work somehow, by black magic. Probably an approach too
1332 [13:04:44] <n4dir> but then: there are probably better distros for such ...
1333 [13:04:56] <Pepe> n4dir are you complaining to me or what?
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1335 [13:05:08] <n4dir> no
1336 [13:05:27] <BluesKaj> Pepe, why do you blame the kernel, tell us your issue
1337 [13:05:32] <n4dir> and i don't complain at all. I only make a sidenote
1338 [13:05:33] <Pepe> I will tell you.
1339 [13:05:38] <Pepe> Writingit
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1343 [13:07:35] <petn-randall> n4dir: People use computers without completely understanding it. Just like people use cars, washing machines, smart phones, etc. Anyway, this is getting a bit offtopic.
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1345 [13:08:18] <Pepe> bazhang Since kernel 4.9.0 was released on Debian? First at all dvb-c tuner has same issues like my headset. It disappears w/o any reason then it connects, but then it overflow system. In this case it was driver fault, because when you unplug this device on other devices (different kernel, different devices) it will flood it.
1346 [13:08:20] <Pepe> But on these devices it didn't disconnect itself - replaced-url
1347 [13:08:22] <Pepe> Now I connected headset (which was working on Windows and also on previous kernel) and I have this issue: replaced-url
1348 [13:08:45] <n4dir> petn-randall: to understand how debian releases is hardly a tough topic ...
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1350 [13:09:06] <plasmoduck> l
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1353 [13:12:22] <wewlad> hello, I'm on debian stable, packages seem too outdated, what should I switch to get more recent versions of packages?
1354 [13:12:31] <Pepe> wewlad backports..
1355 [13:12:45] <wewlad> Pepe: they are added.
1356 [13:12:52] <wewlad> still mpv is dated 2014
1357 [13:12:56] <mender27> petn-randall, you're completely right and I stand corrected :).
1358 [13:13:10] <wewlad> can't open the damn youtube stream using mpv
1359 [13:13:10] <TimurTheLame> wewlad, testing or sid
1360 [13:13:25] <Pepe> apt-get install mpv -t jessie-backports ? did you try this?
1361 [13:13:41] <mender27> petn-randall, this shows I definitely need to read the Debian Administrator Guide properly :).
1362 [13:13:42] <Pepe> when you will use apt-get install mpv it will install packages in "normal" branch
1363 [13:14:01] <ionim> hi people, how to simple make a debian package?, i have downloaded and installed make install in $DESTDIR clisp, clisp isn't in 8.7, I'm in the tree.... any as makepkg ../clisp-2.49.deb ?
1364 [13:14:36] <BluesKaj> Pepe, you haven't told us about your audio chip/driver/ pulseaudio settings if any , you just blame the kernel
1365 [13:14:42] <TimurTheLame> wewlad, talking about a live youtube stream or just a regular video?
1366 [13:14:58] <wewlad> live stream
1367 [13:15:01] <wewlad> navalny
1368 [13:15:24] <Pepe> BluesKaj oh what I should blame? lol. usb 1-2.2: USB disconnect and connect. It also happens with my dvb-c driver. And you're telling me that's not kernel :D
1369 [13:15:28] <TomTomTosch> ionim: checkinstall works as a wraper for make install, keeps track of the files and builds a package for you.
1370 [13:15:43] <TomTomTosch> * wrapper
1371 [13:15:46] <TimurTheLame> wewlad, link? Also, lawl
1372 [13:16:08] <Pepe> BluesKaj I told you that it's working on old kernel. What's changed? Kernel and their modules/drivers. So yes! It's kernel!
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1377 [13:16:33] <TimurTheLame> wewlad, gonna try to see if sid mpv can play it (I'm running sid)
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1380 [13:16:37] <BluesKaj> ok Pepe , then I'll leave it to you then, good kuck
1381 [13:16:49] <BluesKaj> luck even
1382 [13:17:27] <wewlad> replaced-url
1383 [13:17:33] <ionim> Thanks TomTomTosh, no more simple way?
1384 [13:17:36] <Pepe> I see you're don't have enough knowledge to help me. Nice to meet you then. I don't expect support, but you tried help me, but you can't.
1385 [13:17:41] <mender27> And I'm just happy to see Debian being such a great Linux-based operating system with everyone contributing to it :).
1386 [13:17:45] <bazhang> wewlad, debian related?
1387 [13:17:53] <wewlad> mpv ytdl://I2FhmpoHMiQ works fine on freebsd, but not on debian
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1389 [13:18:06] <TimurTheLame> wewlad, yep, it's working for me on sid
1390 [13:18:25] <bazhang> wewlad, mpv works great
1391 [13:18:32] <Pepe> They're other people like petn-randall and bazhang, which replied. I appreciate any help. ;-)
1392 [13:18:37] <TomTomTosch> ionim: it really is as simple as could be. you run checkinstall instead of make install and it guides you through the process. replaced-url
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1396 [13:19:35] <bazhang> you can even use mplayer with a mpv backend
1397 [13:19:45] <bazhang> is smplayer
1398 [13:19:48] <bazhang> ie
1399 [13:19:57] <ionim> Thanks! TomTomTosch ok...
1400 [13:20:14] <wewlad> how to update debian itself?
1401 [13:20:52] <ionim> apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade
1402 [13:20:52] <TimurTheLame> wewlad, switch to testing or sid?
1403 [13:20:56] <bazhang> wewlad, like unattended upgrades?
1404 [13:21:28] <wewlad> how to get know which version of debian I am using?
1405 [13:21:42] <wewlad> I suspect it is not latest stable release
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1412 [13:23:12] <ionim> cat /etc/debian_version
1413 [13:23:40] <BluesKaj> Pepe, I admit I don't kow much about dvb-c tuner etc , but i still think your audio settings in alsa and pulseaudio may have changed with new kernel, that's worth checking
1414 [13:23:57] <ionim> wewlad desintoxicate you are in the other side
1415 [13:24:36] <wewlad> it is 8.7
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1417 [13:25:16] <tinyhippo> hi - I've installed debian 8 from a netinstall, but I'm having trouble getting wifi working - how do I find which wifi driver I need?
1418 [13:26:11] <ionim> dmesg lspci lsmod
1419 [13:26:21] <TomTomTosch> tinyhippo: lspci -nnk | grep -i network then you can use the pci id to check online or in here.
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1422 [13:27:01] <CutMeOwnThroat> also, firmware
1423 [13:27:03] <Pepe> tinyhippo I would rather use lsusb / lsusb -t and check it with wikidevi or you can ask Google to help you :-)
1424 [13:27:22] <abrotman> not likely usb
1425 [13:27:31] <tinyhippo> TomTomTosch: lspci -nnk | grep -i network returns nothing...
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1427 [13:28:01] <tinyhippo> Pepe: lsusb only returns USB bus ports
1428 [13:28:10] <abrotman> tinyhippo: Do you have any network at all at the moment?
1429 [13:28:17] <abrotman> (wired ethernet for example)
1430 [13:28:21] <Pepe> tinyhippo yes, but you didnt even said if you have pcie wifi or usb wifi. ;-)
1431 [13:28:21] <tinyhippo> yes, wired ethernet
1432 [13:28:34] <tinyhippo> Pepe: I have no idea
1433 [13:28:37] <abrotman> tinyhippo: run 'update-pciids' .. try again with lspci
1434 [13:28:37] <BluesKaj> tinyhippo, just run lspci and lookf or mobile controller
1435 [13:29:17] <tinyhippo> abrotman: nothing still
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1438 [13:29:30] <abrotman> tinyhippo: can you pastebin your entire "lspci -nn
1439 [13:29:32] <abrotman> "
1440 [13:29:38] <abrotman> paste.debian.net please
1441 [13:29:58] <laughingtiger> hi everytime I installed fglrx-driver, my laptop boots into black screen, the system was running I can type command blindly, just black screen no tty either. pls help me thank you.
1442 [13:30:22] <tinyhippo> abrotman: replaced-url
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1445 [13:31:09] <laughingtiger> system is debian jessie, asus with hd6370m. thank you thank you.
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1447 [13:31:36] <abrotman> tinyhippo: is there a wifi switch on your laptop?
1448 [13:31:48] <laughingtiger> I don't wanna go back to windows
1449 [13:32:19] <abrotman> tinyhippo: either hardware, or a Fn key switch
1450 [13:32:27] <tinyhippo> abrotman: there's a function key for it, but that doesn't seem to do anything
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1452 [13:33:02] <tinyhippo> if it were affected by a switch, I would have at least expected it, in network manager, to say "Hardware Disabled" or some such
1453 [13:33:50] <laughingtiger> I even installed kubuntu which was a horrible horrible expierence I don't understand so much effort and work they put into just to make it stupider and uglier fatter thank windows.
1454 [13:33:51] <abrotman> There isn't a wifi adapter showing in your lspci at all. you can try lsusb. otherwise, there's a switch or rfkill toggle
1455 [13:34:03] <laughingtiger> than
1456 [13:34:24] <abrotman> tinyhippo: there's an update-usbids also that might trigger it to show your adapter .. but I'm more leaning toward the switch or rfkill
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1458 [13:34:49] <tinyhippo> abrotman: rfkill list shows nothing
1459 [13:35:45] <tinyhippo> this is the outpout of lsusb (following an update-usbids) replaced-url
1460 [13:35:48] <laughingtiger> so I guess this machine is hopeless then.
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1463 [13:36:15] <abrotman> tinyhippo: anything in your dmesg relating to your wireless?
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1465 [13:37:16] <laughingtiger> thank you so much for your help.
1466 [13:37:21] <tinyhippo> abrotman: one thing that looks like a realtek driver - r8169 0000:0e:00.0: firmware: direct-loading firmware rtl-nic/rtl8105e-1.fw
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1469 [13:37:53] <abrotman> that's probably your wired card
1470 [13:38:16] <BluesKaj> tinyhippo, think it's this: Intel Corporation 82801 Mobile PCI Bridge [8086:2448] (rev 93
1471 [13:38:59] <tinyhippo> so I'd need iwlwifi for that to work?
1472 [13:39:25] <abrotman> yeah, but that doesn't really seem like it
1473 [13:39:59] <CutMeOwnThroat> yeah, not really
1474 [13:40:01] <TomTomTosch> it's a bus bridge. says it right there. ^^
1475 [13:40:04] <CutMeOwnThroat> ,pciid 8086:2448
1476 [13:40:06] <judd> [8086:2448] is '82801 Mobile PCI Bridge' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel modules 'ata_generic', 'snd-hda-intel' in jessie. See also replaced-url
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1478 [13:40:42] <CutMeOwnThroat> the fascinating bit is the snd* module judd lists
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1482 [13:41:07] <BluesKaj> hmm snd is audio
1483 [13:42:21] <BluesKaj> tinyhippo, but I also found this replaced-url
1484 [13:42:21] <abrotman> tinyhippo: can you paste all of your dmesg?
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1486 [13:42:57] <CutMeOwnThroat> not here, though, use paste.debian.net
1487 [13:43:02] <abrotman> that's from 2009, and likely not relevant anymore
1488 [13:43:20] <tinyhippo> replaced-url
1489 [13:43:27] <tinyhippo> ^ dmesg output
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1491 [13:43:59] <ionim> I don't remember the url's but exist some webs with distro guides for laptops, very very good resource. linuxonlaptop...
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1493 [13:44:23] <BluesKaj> abrotman, that just means he's a launchpad member since 2009 , not the bug
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1496 [13:45:45] <BluesKaj> but who knows how old that bug is
1497 [13:46:02] <abrotman> BluesKaj: the post is from 2009
1498 [13:46:13] <abrotman> tinyhippo: can you do the Fn toggle, and see if it outputs anything to dmesg
1499 [13:46:36] <abrotman> ionim: linux-laptop.net
1500 [13:46:38] <BluesKaj> yeaj abrotman mt ol eyes finally saw that
1501 [13:46:45] <BluesKaj> my old
1502 [13:46:48] <tinyhippo> no output, abrotman
1503 [13:47:16] <abrotman> tinyhippo: and this worked in another distro, or windows?
1504 [13:48:00] <tinyhippo> abrotman: windows 7, 8 and 10 it was fine, this is the first time I've installed debian on this machine
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1508 [13:48:31] <abrotman> I wonder if it has to do with CRDA
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1510 [13:48:56] <themill> CutMeOwnThroat: pci-id wildcard matching.
1511 [13:49:10] <abrotman> tinyhippo: Do you have the crda and wireless-regdb installed?
1512 [13:49:16] <tinyhippo> nope
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1514 [13:50:11] <overdrive> bazhang, petn-randall, mzs114, mender27: Thanks, I am using jessie testing, I added the backports now... however when I am doing apt-get update && apt-get upgrade I do not get any new packages
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1516 [13:52:25] <n4dir> /msg dpkg stable backports
1517 [13:53:43] <ionim> thanks people, a pleasure (bye)
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1519 [13:54:02] <n4dir> !debian-backports
1520 [13:54:02] <dpkg> backports.debian.org (formerly backports.org) is an official repository of <backports> for the current stable (see <jessie backports>) and oldstable (<wheezy backports>) distributions, prepared by Debian developers. Ask me about <backport caveat> and read replaced-url
1521 [13:54:04] <abrotman> tinyhippo: it seems to imply it's for your driver, but it's odd it's not showing in lspci at all
1522 [13:54:46] <n4dir> overdrive: look at the instructions, how to install packages from backports (apt-get install -t jessie-backports pkgname)
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1524 [13:55:23] <abrotman> overdrive: you have to explicitly install those packages, they're not a general upgrade
1525 [13:55:50] <overdrive> abrotman: oh, my idea was to use for all of them, now I understand
1526 [13:55:54] <CutMeOwnThroat> themill, sounds wild… are you saying some are longer than otherS?
1527 [13:56:07] <overdrive> so I must be explicit for each of them.
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1530 [13:56:19] <abrotman> overdrive: I don't think you'd want all of them, just a hunch
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1532 [13:56:49] <CutMeOwnThroat> overdrive, there still is no jessie testing
1533 [13:57:30] <BluesKaj> tinyhippo, is this an older laptop?
1534 [13:57:44] <overdrive> abrotman: ok thanks a lot :-)
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1537 [13:58:18] <themill> CutMeOwnThroat: snd-hda-intel claims to support every device PCI intel makes
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1543 [13:58:34] <CutMeOwnThroat> overdrive, backports is meant to provide newer versions for stable for the few packages you really want newer versions of…
1544 [13:58:35] <themill> I need to come up with a way of blacklisting things
1545 [13:59:08] <overdrive> CutMeOwnThroat: aha, good... thanks for clarification. Now everything makes sense :)
1546 [13:59:13] <CutMeOwnThroat> themill, that's pretty cool… so this is the only kernel module you ever need for intel stuff™
1547 [13:59:21] <abrotman> tinyhippo: did oyu install those packages and reboot/try again?
1548 [13:59:45] <BluesKaj> themill, yes snd-hda-intel is ubiquitous
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1550 [14:00:34] <overdrive> thanks a lot ppl for help!
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1552 [14:00:45] <tinyhippo> BluesKaj: yes it is, probably 2010ish
1553 [14:01:10] <tinyhippo> abrotman: I was wrong sorry, those packages were installed
1554 [14:01:37] <BluesKaj> themill, and it woks perfectly with alsa, no need for pulsaudio's extra layer of processing
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1556 [14:03:18] <themill> BluesKaj: you're having a different conversation to everyone else
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1560 [14:04:03] <abrotman> heh
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1566 [14:05:06] <BluesKaj> themill, just trying to be informative
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1572 [14:06:57] <BluesKaj> wow, this place full of crappy "attitude today
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1578 [14:07:51] <themill> BluesKaj: you're trying to explain to me code that I wrote a decade ago. It's not going to go well.
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1581 [14:09:14] <abrotman> *micdrop*
1582 [14:09:38] <abrotman> tinyhippo: what model laptop is this?
1583 [14:09:46] <BluesKaj> tinyhippo, what's that intel iw -something wifi driver that's in use you mentioned above
1584 [14:09:56] <tinyhippo> abrotman: toshiba satellite c660
1585 [14:11:14] <BluesKaj> themill, well bully for you, now i know where you get the pull rank attitude, ..pat yourself on the shoulder if you must
1586 [14:11:33] <abrotman> BluesKaj: please let it go, move on
1587 [14:11:43] <themill> actually, the utterly irrelevant nonsense about pulse was more annoying
1588 [14:11:50] <BluesKaj> abrotman, i jusr did
1589 [14:12:50] <CutMeOwnThroat> think we're all set
1590 [14:12:51] <abrotman> tinyhippo: could you install firmware-realtek .. from what I can tell, it should be a realtek driver
1591 [14:13:11] <abrotman> BluesKaj: Thank goodness, now we can all live in peace.
1592 [14:13:34] <BluesKaj> abrotman, let's hope so
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1597 [14:17:30] <CutMeOwnThroat> !sunday
1598 [14:17:31] <dpkg> Sunday is the day all trolls swarm to #debian, avoid at all cost to remain sane.
1599 [14:17:38] <CutMeOwnThroat> "done"
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1605 [14:23:07] <mender27> Oh well. Out to take a walk. See you everyone and keep up the good spirits! :)
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1610 [14:25:40] <BluesKaj> hmm, debian wikis block my vpn, bummer::/
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1632 [14:36:15] <tinyhippo> abrotman: that's already installed :(
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1636 [14:38:51] <abrotman> tinyhippo: Maybe a BIOS update, but I'm about out of ideas .. it seems like it should "work" at this point
1637 [14:39:00] <abrotman> or at least show up in lspci
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1708 [15:19:59] <JohnA> is there a way of getting a list of installed packages/software? I have three servers and I am trying to work out why one seems have more software on it thatn the others.
1709 [15:20:19] <shomon> hi, I've set up vino and am trying to connect via vnc. If I telnet to port 5900 I get RFB 003.007 but I can't seem to connect from outside even though it shows up okay on netstat
1710 [15:20:28] <Papillon> dpkg -l iirc
1711 [15:20:28] <dpkg> ii iirc 1.3-2.2 ultra s3kr1t #debian package
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1713 [15:20:31] <missmbob> JohnA: dpkg -l |grep ^i
1714 [15:20:44] <missmbob> you need the grep part as well
1715 [15:20:46] <shomon> how can I tell if some other firewall or the router is stopping this connecting
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1717 [15:22:48] <teraflops> if you cannot reach from outside but the service is listening, then something else is blocking it ^
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1719 [15:22:52] <petn-randall> shomon: You can run 'iptables -L -vn' as root on the Debian machines involved.
1720 [15:23:01] <shomon> thanks, I'll try!
1721 [15:23:36] <missmbob> probably need to set up port forwarding on the router to work from the outside
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1723 [15:24:03] <JohnA> missmbob, Thanks you very much!!
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1725 [15:24:31] <Papillon> although you really don't want to be telnetting outside your home lan
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1731 [15:25:04] <Papillon> it's like taking the front door off your house leaving only a screen door
1732 [15:25:17] <shomon> it's from inside the lan..
1733 [15:25:27] <lysol> so its like an inside screen door?
1734 [15:25:49] <Papillon> port forwarding works when you're trying to access, for instance, a home server from work when your home network uses NAT
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1744 [15:31:52] <petn-randall> Papillon: That's still irrelevant for the problem. shomon doesn't intend to telnet to their server, they just used it for debugging.
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1753 [15:35:05] <shomon> petn-randall: what should I look for in the output of that command?
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1762 [15:37:50] <Bliepo> Hey everyone! I have a server which also functions as router but I have a bit of a problem. I use dnsmasq for DNS on the LAN side. I want dnsmasq to do 'split horizon' DNS: I want to return the gateway IP for my domain name on the LAN side and on the loopback interface I want it to point to 127.0.0.1.
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1766 [15:39:21] <Bliepo> Now I excluded the loopback and WAN interface from dnsmasq, but now DNS is working for my LAN side, but not on the server (if I try to ping google it doesn't work)
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1768 [15:39:53] <petn-randall> shomon: You can paste it to replaced-url
1769 [15:39:59] <shomon> ok
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1778 [15:42:04] <Bliepo> Is using bind9 the only option for me?
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1780 [15:42:13] <shomon> petn-randall: replaced-url
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1787 [15:44:40] <petn-randall> shomon: Ah, you've got port 5900 allowed (line 158 + 159), but the packet counter (first column) is zero which means that no connection attempts have reached that port.
1788 [15:44:49] <shomon> yup..
1789 [15:45:04] <shomon> so I guess it's the router?
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1811 [15:54:01] <shomon> ah but if telnet gave back that data.. maybe that's not it connecting but some other thing..
1812 [15:54:44] <shomon> brb
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1854 [16:11:01] <reactormonk> I need python-twisted 17.1.0 - what's the correct way to install it?
1855 [16:11:29] <reactormonk> 8.7
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1857 [16:11:48] <dvs> ,v python-twisted
1858 [16:11:49] <judd> Package: python-twisted on amd64 -- wheezy: 12.0.0-1; wheezy-backports: 13.2.0-1~bpo70+1; jessie: 14.0.2-3; jessie-backports: 16.2.0-1~bpo8+1; sid: 16.6.0-2; stretch: 16.6.0-2
1859 [16:13:00] <zxd> hi
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1862 [16:14:00] <zxd> when creating a package with dpkg-buildpackage how does it know what libraries and packages dependencies to put in the meta data of the deb file?
1863 [16:14:18] <reactormonk> dvs, is there something like downloading the build sources and changing the version and see if that works out?
1864 [16:15:15] <TomTomTosch> reactormonk: you can install it using pip. the package is named Twisted.
1865 [16:15:50] <zxd> what's debian developer channel
1866 [16:15:52] <TomTomTosch> zxd: dependency information is listed in the control file.
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1871 [16:16:40] <zxd> TomTomTosch: it isn't resolved after the file is compiled?
1872 [16:16:42] <zxd> program
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1877 [16:19:40] <missmbob> zxd: no. whatever the maintainer puts in debian/control
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1912 [16:35:41] <georgia> anyone on? I just upgraded to stretch but I have a lot of obsolete/held back/autoremovable packages
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1919 [16:40:05] <hanasaki> why would my cpu always report running at full speed instead of throttling down? it's a 4770k - same with stable and testing
1920 [16:40:49] <Papillon> some cpu frequency monitors aren't able to detect power related downclocking
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1926 [16:42:21] <georgia> dependency hell after ugrading, please help. I'm afraid I can't turn my computer off because I can't find grub-dummy
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1929 [16:43:11] <missmbob> georgia: more people with stretch/upgrade experience on their channel: #debian-next on oftc
1930 [16:43:34] <georgia> I'll try that.
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1966 [16:58:16] <Leverator> Is here anybody using Debian Stretch?
1967 [16:58:31] <missmbob> a lot more in #debian-next on oftc are
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1972 [16:59:00] <Leverator> I can't join #debian-next: " Leverator #debian-next Cannot join channel (+i) - you must be invited" ...
1973 [16:59:08] <missmbob> it's on oftc, not freenode
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1989 [17:03:02] <abrotman> Leverator: you can try asking here
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1994 [17:05:02] <BluesKaj> Leverator, your nick needs to be registered on OFTC
1995 [17:05:19] <missmbob> he's already there
1996 [17:05:54] <BluesKaj> ok, I was just there, didn't see him
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2001 [17:09:34] <shomon> I am trying to get chromium to run, but it has nss root cert errors I think related to the software not having much support.. how do I copy settings from chromium onto some other browser that can still work under debian?
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2003 [17:10:25] <abrotman> BluesKaj: and no, you don't need to be registered
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2005 [17:11:29] <BluesKaj> odd abrotman, the debian chat suggested that i register ....guess it's not mandatory
2006 [17:11:40] <abrotman> BluesKaj: ON OFTC ..
2007 [17:11:55] <BluesKaj> abrotman, yes OFTC
2008 [17:12:00] <abrotman> no
2009 [17:12:13] <abrotman> One of you, or your client, is broken
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2011 [17:13:26] <BluesKaj> abrotman, ??
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2015 [17:14:25] <dpkg> No, those is my gouda today, BluesKaj? Trousers of the People's Republic of Tahiti with extra anchovies.
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2048 [17:33:55] <dixsonhoepp> Hi, I need the calibration of the monitor permanently
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2064 [17:44:00] <J1sy> Help why isnt there a gui for debian i select kde and a i get is config is locked/failed, i tried from tasksel no difference help please ;-(
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2066 [17:45:12] <TomTomTosch> J1sy: sounds like you didn't run tasksel as root.
2067 [17:45:53] <abrotman> I think he wants kiosk mode
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2071 [17:47:28] <abrotman> oh, I misread
2072 [17:47:56] <abrotman> J1sy: you choose KDE where? Did you install KDE? are you trying to login as root?
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2076 [17:48:12] <psychoticwarrior> what do u like better KDE or GDM
2077 [17:48:23] <abrotman> those are different things
2078 [17:48:29] <J1sy> Not sure i will try as root then, are the files include for kde and gtk
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2080 [17:48:32] <abrotman> and that conversation is silly
2081 [17:48:41] <abrotman> J1sy: you sohuldn't login as root
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2083 [17:49:00] <J1sy> KDE ALL THE WAY
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2086 [17:53:02] <J1sy> I recently TRY LM18,IT WAS GOod IT worked then i saw debiam comes with many software told myself i just had to have it, downloaded the 3 disks for 32bit and 64bit
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2093 [17:54:38] <hello123d> I can't get linux to install on this new computer. I burned an iso live cd with rufus. However, when I get in the alternative boot menu and pick "boot from usb" nothing happens.
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2096 [17:55:18] <mtn> !win32diskimager
2097 [17:55:18] <dpkg> win32diskimager is much more reliable than <unetbootin> for copying ISO images to USB sticks and you can download it from replaced-url
2098 [17:55:27] <CrowX-> is it normal for debian minimal not to have ping installed by default?
2099 [17:55:35] <mtn> hello123d: also better than rufus
2100 [17:55:35] <CrowX-> i.e. does it not include it by default?
2101 [17:55:40] <abrotman> CrowX-: depends how you did the install, but possible
2102 [17:55:58] <CrowX-> abrotman, I'm using a debian template for a lxc container
2103 [17:56:02] <CrowX-> and it doesn't have ping
2104 [17:56:12] <CrowX-> I want to know if that's common, or something is wrong with this tempalte
2105 [17:56:13] <CrowX-> template*
2106 [17:56:19] <hello123d> thanks, i'll try win32diskimager
2107 [17:56:28] <abrotman> judd: info ping
2108 [17:56:29] <judd> No package named 'ping' was found in jessie/amd64.
2109 [17:56:42] <hello123d> it's not installd by default on win10?
2110 [17:56:57] <CrowX-> judd, the package was something like iputils-ping or similar
2111 [17:57:01] <CrowX-> but the tool is ping
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2113 [17:57:02] <abrotman> CrowX-: yeah, the package is "extra", so it's possible
2114 [17:57:02] <mtn> hello123d: I think you need to get it
2115 [17:57:03] <Pavr> dpkg gave you a link to it hello123d
2116 [17:57:04] <dpkg> Pavr: I give up, what is it?
2117 [17:57:08] <J1sy> Waste of time with rufus use win32 image load it works and debian is 190% support
2118 [17:57:21] <jim> does debian have installers for arm anymore?
2119 [17:57:31] <abrotman> CrowX-: iputils is "important" so, yes
2120 [17:57:32] <abrotman> jim: yes
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2122 [17:58:10] <jim> abrotman, ok... I'm on the site, but I don't see it,,, can you provide a link?
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2124 [17:58:25] <hello123d> I already disabled secureboot (and windows fastboot) but are there other bios options I need to tweak to get it to run?
2125 [17:58:36] <BluesKaj> raspbian, based on bedian jessie
2126 [17:58:44] <abrotman> jim: replaced-url
2127 [17:58:52] <BluesKaj> debian-jessie even :-)
2128 [17:58:55] <abrotman> BluesKaj: Please stop, you're not helping anyone, and you're causing problems
2129 [17:58:57] <jim> thanks
2130 [17:59:47] <psychoticwarrior> wida
2131 [17:59:49] <BluesKaj> pixel desktop
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2133 [18:00:00] <abrotman> CrowX-: so, if you'd have used a regular installer, it would be very unlikely, but not sure with a pre-built container
2134 [18:00:03] <jim> so I see... any with the nonfree firmware?
2135 [18:00:11] <abrotman> dpkg: tell jim about firmware images
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2137 [18:00:15] <abrotman> not sure if they exist for arm
2138 [18:00:21] <CrowX-> I see
2139 [18:00:22] <CrowX-> thanks
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2142 [18:00:30] <abrotman> doesn't seem so
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2145 [18:01:30] <BluesKaj> jim yes
2146 [18:01:39] <hello123d> eh, windows32diskimager wanted an img file for some reason, but i gave it an iso instead. i hope that doesn't matter
2147 [18:01:50] <missmbob> hello123d: it doesnt
2148 [18:01:58] <abrotman> hello123d: no, it's dumb like that, but the outcome is functional
2149 [18:02:53] <hello123d> thanks, i'll try
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2151 [18:03:31] <BluesKaj> jim jessie main contrib non-free rpi
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2158 [18:04:31] <TomTomTosch> i can't find non-free images for arm either.
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2161 [18:05:03] <abrotman> you could create your own, or get them from a USB drive during the install
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2163 [18:05:28] <jim> so put the .deb on the usb?
2164 [18:05:41] <hello123d> i had no luck. It displays "Generic HDD usb device" but pressing it, does nothing, not even an error.
2165 [18:05:57] <jim> or an -additional- usb drive?
2166 [18:06:21] <jim> (or could I put it on the same usb?)
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2168 [18:07:01] <jim> he wants to know if it can boot anyway, so I'll link him to the image and deal with firmware issues later
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2170 [18:08:09] <TomTomTosch> you would format a second usb as fat and put the firmware inside the directory /firmware
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2173 [18:08:41] <jim> TomTomTosch, it might be easier to just install the base first]
2174 [18:08:59] <jim> then install the firmware from .debs
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2176 [18:09:11] <TomTomTosch> that's your choice.
2177 [18:09:37] <jim> well I'll pass the choice along to the person I'm helping
2178 [18:10:44] <jim> anyway thanks abrotman, TomTomTosch, BluesKaj
2179 [18:11:19] <jhutchins> hello123d: Did you verify the md5sum of your download?
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2188 [18:18:26] <hello123d> jhutchins: the hashes match up, however i think i need to check that i did burn the iso file and not the torrent file by accident
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2197 [18:21:19] <hello123d> but first i'll disable "hide known extensions"
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2202 [18:22:11] <dixsonhoepp> How to calibrate the monitor permanently?
2203 [18:22:29] <maven27145> Hello, help needed. I'm sitting Debian Jessie and trying to get Bumblebee to work. I installed the latest nvidia driver from the guide on the Debian webpage, but as soon as the driver is installed and I reboot, xorg fails, giving me that "something went wrong" message. Anyone?
2204 [18:22:38] <hello123d> i'll try again
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2208 [18:22:53] <jim> abrotman, also I didn't catch the link BluesKaj provided... oh wait, you quieted him? what was the problem there?
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2216 [18:24:38] <Orbstheorem> what is the 'sys' group for on debian?
2217 [18:24:44] <Pavr> no parts from you after that
2218 [18:24:59] <psychoticwarrior> do u like tranny chaser grand slam
2219 [18:25:09] <Pavr> durp
2220 [18:25:09] <init7> Is debian Testing a Rolling release ?
2221 [18:25:22] <hello123d> nope, it still won't boot the livecd
2222 [18:25:26] <maven27145> init7, not rolling
2223 [18:25:29] <psychoticwarrior> rolling has issues with udev. it just hangs
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2227 [18:25:48] <init7> maven27145: well is there any Rolling release debian ?
2228 [18:26:01] <missmbob> init7: no
2229 [18:26:10] <maven27145> init7, no it defeats the purpose of Debiam completely
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2232 [18:26:49] <init7> maven27145: I just saw at Distrowatch this so I thought asking for Release Model: Fixed, Semi-Rolling, Rolling
2233 [18:27:15] <psychoticwarrior> check out /etc/apt/sources.list
2234 [18:27:17] <psychoticwarrior> gpk-prefs
2235 [18:27:28] <maven27145> init7, if you want roling, Arch is a good choice
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2238 [18:28:07] <init7> maven27145: I am using Arch right now but I do love Debian but I don't want to be out of date with apps since I am using as a desktop user I want some of new packages to
2239 [18:28:16] <jhutchins> hello123d: Have you ever gotten it to boot to the USB drive?
2240 [18:28:38] <jhutchins> hello123d: I would suggest exploring various live options until you get it to work and figure out what the steps are.
2241 [18:29:01] <maven27145> init7, totally understand.. I got my own probs with my primus laptop. Debain aint built for shit like this x)
2242 [18:29:45] <init7> maven27145: Have u tried Debian 9 Stretch ?
2243 [18:30:00] <maven27145> init7, no. Maybe I should
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2247 [18:30:26] <init7> maven27145: there's all new packages even kernel is new not the latest but it's 4.9..... idk which :P
2248 [18:30:38] <init7> maven27145: is 4.9.0-1
2249 [18:30:40] <maven27145> init7 Have you tried Arch with Bumblebee by any chance?
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2251 [18:30:45] <missmbob> it's not latest because it's frozen...because it's not rolling
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2253 [18:31:21] <jhutchins> maven27145: I haven't seen anything in Stretch that would be specific to hybrid graphics. That's a continuing project among multiple distributions, x.org and freedesktop.org
2254 [18:31:49] <init7> maven27145: yeah it does work :P
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2257 [18:32:11] <init7> maven27145: hybrid grapich
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2259 [18:32:25] <maven27145> init7 Well, maybe I should switch to Arch then. I just alway fak up the installation
2260 [18:32:33] <jhutchins> ,kernels
2261 [18:32:34] <judd> Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.10.0-rc6-686-pae (4.10~rc6-1~exp2); sid: 4.9.0-2-686 (4.9.13-1); stretch: 4.9.0-2-686 (4.9.13-1); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.2-686-pae (4.9.13-1~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.39-1+deb8u2); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.86-1)
2262 [18:32:46] <init7> maven27145: you can use Manjaro it comes with preinstalled window manager :P
2263 [18:32:57] <maven27145> I know..
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2265 [18:33:01] <dixsonhoepp> Hi, I need the calibration of the monitor permanently
2266 [18:33:21] <maven27145> init7 but Im picky when it comes to distros
2267 [18:33:49] <maven27145> dixon, you mean physical or software wise?
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2271 [18:36:29] <maven27145> Well, I still need help with my xorg
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2273 [18:37:43] <Eryn_1983_FL> guys how do i trouble shoot a half configured package in debian?
2274 [18:37:56] <Eryn_1983_FL> there isnt crap in the dpkg.log file
2275 [18:38:05] <Eryn_1983_FL> how am i suppose to know where to look for issue
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2277 [18:39:02] <Brigo> Eryn_1983_FL, can you paste the output of apt-get in paste.debian.net?
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2280 [18:41:04] <Papillon> dpkg --reconfigure?
2281 [18:41:06] <dpkg> Papillon: are you using Windows?
2282 [18:41:18] <Papillon> AM I BEING DETAINED!
2283 [18:41:47] <Eryn_1983_FL> nm
2284 [18:41:51] <hanasaki> Papillon: thanks. seems to work if root does this after boot... cpufreq-set -d 800Mhz / the current driver when it stays at max speed is "driver: acpi-cpufreq
2285 [18:41:51] <hanasaki> " upon boot. that do you think?
2286 [18:41:52] <Eryn_1983_FL> i fixed it
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2288 [18:42:02] <Eryn_1983_FL> detained?
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2292 [18:42:31] <Papillon> dpkg bot was asking me accusitorial questions
2293 [18:42:32] <dpkg> Papillon: no idea
2294 [18:42:51] <Papillon> are you trying to set the minimum power state frequency?
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2296 [18:43:23] <hanasaki> available cpufreq governors: conservative, userspace, powersave, ondemand, performance, schedutil
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2303 [18:44:17] <hanasaki> Papillon: not sure what that means? min power state?
2304 [18:44:29] <Papillon> minimum power state
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2306 [18:44:58] <Papillon> processors have a max freq and a min freq. Say you get a 3GHz cpu, but you haven't done anything in a few mins, it's idle with 0% cpu utilization
2307 [18:45:07] <Papillon> it clocks itself down to a minimum power saving frequency
2308 [18:45:48] <hanasaki> Papillon: yes that sounds iright... however w/o calling cpufreq-set min = max
2309 [18:46:07] <hanasaki> in the past I used ondemand... and that worked fine.
2310 [18:46:08] <Papillon> cpufreq-set -d sets min cpu freq
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2313 [18:46:52] <Papillon> ondemand should be fine
2314 [18:46:58] <Papillon> they all basically work
2315 [18:47:19] <hanasaki> what's this acpi_cpufreq or intel_pstates or ondemand? how do they differ?
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2317 [18:47:33] <hanasaki> the big problem is that it boots with min=max
2318 [18:47:51] <Papillon> pstates is probably power states
2319 [18:47:52] <hanasaki> I want it to slow down when there is no demand and run cooler / use less power
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2322 [18:48:29] <Papillon> on demand should work and that command should set the minimum power state, so that should fix your problem
2323 [18:48:55] <hanasaki> how can I get it to boot into ondemand or into the same as now "driver: acpi-cpufreq" but with min =800 instead of min=max so it always runs full speed
2324 [18:49:38] <Papillon> you could put those in your user dot file...
2325 [18:49:47] <Papillon> there also might be a way to put it in your init config
2326 [18:49:54] <hanasaki> I even compiled a new kernel and set the config for ondemand = default however it still comes up pstate
2327 [18:50:09] <neibo> e
2328 [18:50:30] <Papillon> pstate sounds like the driver for intel processor power management
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2330 [18:50:39] <towo`> hanasaki, boot with intel_pstate=disable
2331 [18:51:05] <towo`> hanasaki, as long as your kernel is compiled with intel_pstate enabled, it will be the default
2332 [18:51:45] <hanasaki> towo`: thanks. even if it's a module?
2333 [18:51:48] <Papillon> pstate is the mechanism intel uses to control processor frequency and power... It would be weird if it pegged it at max cpu 100%
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2335 [18:51:59] <Orbstheorem> Are we supposed to modify what's under /etc/default?
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2337 [18:52:07] <hanasaki> so what is intel_pstate supposed to have for behavior / be good for?
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2339 [18:52:29] <Orbstheorem> supposed to be able to
2340 [18:53:03] <hello123d> jhutchins: yes, on other laptops, but this is the first one that has secure boot enabled by default
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2344 [18:53:47] <hanasaki> hmmm towo` and Papillon : the kernel build options have "*" for pstate and it cannot be changed... sup w/ that?
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2347 [18:54:13] <hanasaki> Papillon: ya I get that... and it is weird .. it is pegged to max
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2349 [18:54:26] <hanasaki> available frequency steps: 3.50 GHz, 3.50 GHz, 3.30 GHz, 3.10 GHz, 2.90 GHz, 2.70 GHz, 2.50 GHz, 2.30 GHz, 2.10 GHz, 2.00 GHz, 1.80 GHz, 1.60 GHz, 1.40 GHz, 1.20 GHz, 1000 MHz, 800 MHz
2350 [18:54:52] <hanasaki> current policy: frequency should be within 3.50 GHz and 3.50 GHz.
2351 [18:54:52] <hanasaki> The governor "ondemand" may decide which speed to use
2352 [18:54:52] <hanasaki> within this range.
2353 [18:55:05] <hanasaki> driver: acpi-cpufreq
2354 [18:55:23] <hanasaki> so ondemand AND acpi-cpufreq?
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2357 [18:55:52] <siiky> hey there everyone. instmodsh is using a lot of CPU (100% on one of the cores), what is it doing? the man page says its related to dpkg so id like to know, is it safe to kill it?
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2359 [18:55:59] <siiky> its been running for about 10min now
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2370 [19:01:29] <maven27145> Still need help fixing my xorg/xserver
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2372 [19:04:34] <Papillon> what's wrong with it?
2373 [19:04:47] <maven27145> pm me pls
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2376 [19:06:33] <maven27145> xorg gives me "smth went wrong" error after insralling nvidia driver on primus laptop
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2380 [19:07:25] <lord_daemon> Using ftp, how do I make the mput command not replace the files that are already there?
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2390 [19:12:44] <jhutchins> lord_daemon: You use rsync.
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2394 [19:14:55] <jhutchins> maven27145: It's better to have technical discussions here in the open. If nothing else, other people can learn from them, and people can contribute and point out errors.
2395 [19:15:45] <maven27145> Ok. Still need help
2396 [19:16:01] <lord_daemon> jhutchins: I was doing a backup routine ... Okay. So I'll try doing it with rsync
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2400 [19:16:39] <jhutchins> lord_daemon: rsync has some great options for backups.
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2403 [19:17:47] <lord_daemon> thanks
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2416 [19:23:12] <georgia> No one is on debian-next.
2417 [19:23:59] <georgia> My upgrade to stretch failed. The reason is that systemd : Breaks: rdnssd (< 1.0.1-5) but 1.0.1-1+b1 is to be installed
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2420 [19:26:59] <JPT> debian next is on oftc, not on freenode
2421 [19:27:05] <georgia> I know.
2422 [19:27:16] <georgia> I checked there, no one active
2423 [19:27:34] <JPT> Well, perhaps most of them are sleeping? Check back later :)
2424 [19:27:37] <georgia> I said that in advance because I figured people would tell me to go there
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2427 [19:27:42] <mtn> georgia: you didnt' ask any question there, as far as I can see
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2429 [19:28:05] <mtn> georgia: not in the last hour and a half, anyway
2430 [19:28:06] <georgia> You're right, I waited for someone to come on, and they didn't
2431 [19:28:14] <mtn> georgia: not how irc works
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2433 [19:28:18] <georgia> I said, "anyone on"?
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2435 [19:28:27] <mtn> georgia: Ask your question and if anyone can help they will respond.
2436 [19:28:42] <mtn> georgia: not in the last hour and a half, anyway
2437 [19:29:26] <georgia> If they don't will you help? Is there a way I can not install rdnssd? I believe it's part of stretch's implementation of ipv6
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2439 [19:29:34] <mtn> georgia: go there and ask your real question. wait for an answer
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2443 [19:30:15] <missmbob> waiting hours isnt uncommon. ask and be patient.
2444 [19:30:17] <Papillon> you could try manually installing a rdnssd that's more recent?
2445 [19:30:32] <Papillon> try installing rdnssd 1.0.1-5
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2447 [19:30:48] <Papillon> or you could try forcing stuff
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2449 [19:31:05] <n4dir> after an hour or so i guess asking again won't be that big a problem. Though in general #debian-next doesn't seem that active. Asking also in a forum might be an option
2450 [19:31:17] <babilen> I guess the question is: How did you try to upgrade to stretch? (and -next would be a better place)
2451 [19:31:53] <Dagger> stretch has 1.0.3-3 so that's what you could try... but why is apt-get not installing it for you if it's required?
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2454 [19:32:53] <georgia> woops banned for flooding
2455 [19:33:00] <georgia> stupid copy paste
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2458 [19:33:14] <georgia> actually I was kicked
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2460 [19:33:25] <mtn> georgia: and still in the wrong channel. you want #debian-next, not #debian
2461 [19:34:07] <Papillon> try installing rdnssd 1.0.1-5
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2470 [19:39:48] <pgrunwald> Hi all - I just set up lxc as per replaced-url
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2500 [20:01:11] <pgrunwald> root@stretch:/# cat $PATH
2501 [20:01:11] <pgrunwald> cat: '/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/local/games:/usr/games': No such file or directory
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2505 [20:02:03] <newcoder> Is it possible to install php7 in debian 8?
2506 [20:02:06] <newcoder> ,v php
2507 [20:02:07] <judd> Package: php on amd64 -- stretch: 1:7.0+49; sid: 1:7.0+51
2508 [20:02:17] <newcoder> ,v php7
2509 [20:02:18] <judd> No package named 'php7' was found in amd64.
2510 [20:02:21] <missmbob> newcoder: not in any recommended way that wont break things
2511 [20:02:49] <newcoder> What is that way?
2512 [20:03:02] <missmbob> the not recommended way?
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2514 [20:03:17] <missmbob> !dotdeb
2515 [20:03:17] <dpkg> replaced-url
2516 [20:03:34] <missmbob> unsupported and unrecommended. do it and you're on your own
2517 [20:03:58] <OerHeks> make sure you use 7.0 in search
2518 [20:04:02] <OerHeks> ,v php7.0
2519 [20:04:04] <judd> Package: php7.0 on amd64 -- sid: 7.0.14-2; stretch: 7.0.16-3; sid: 7.0.16-3
2520 [20:04:31] <newcoder> Not in jessie
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2522 [20:04:39] <newcoder> Why will dotdeb break system?
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2524 [20:04:55] <newcoder> missmbob: ^
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2526 [20:05:01] <missmbob> they're known to make low quality debs. it may not break. it might. you're on your own.
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2528 [20:05:11] <missmbob> and i've gotta go for a few
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2531 [20:05:22] <newcoder> Where can I get high quality php7.0.deb?
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2576 [20:20:06] <zykotick9> on a fresh install of debian (jessie) on the lenovo laptop - my ALT+# are producing unexpected character (in Xorg, VT everything is fine) - for example ALT+5 gives "µ" -- this is creating a problem when using irssi
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2605 [20:31:22] <somiaj> zykotick9: what terminal? In tmux? Anyways I can confirm, alt-5 produces µ here too. In irssi use ctrl-n and ctrl-p to switch windows, so it dones't get in my way
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2608 [20:32:09] <somiaj> it is probably the terminal taking the keybinding and not passing it to the app, unsure if this is due to utf-8 or something else
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2610 [20:34:06] <zykotick9> somiaj: thank you. it's xterm specific, after install urxvt, my alt keys are working as expected again. Thanks!
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2613 [20:34:49] <somiaj> there maybe a way to configure xterm to not do that.
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2624 [20:41:21] <somiaj> zykotick9: click ctrl + leftclick on xterm, this opens down a menu, select Meta Sends Escape and you get the alt keys working like they should in irssi
2625 [20:41:39] <somiaj> zykotick9: there is also an option for this via .Xdefults you can configure it to be default
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2629 [20:44:03] <zykotick9> somiaj: thanks again.
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2656 [21:00:12] <hello123d> I have been able to run the debian live cd, but I wasn't able to connect to any network.
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2661 [21:01:33] <mtn> hello123d: what network card are you trying to use?
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2663 [21:01:55] <missmbob> that's pretty normal. live cd doesnt include firmware that your card may need to function
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2669 [21:03:06] <missmbob> if you get the iso from here, it will include nonfree firmware. replaced-url
2670 [21:04:11] <missmbob> it'll increase your chances anyway
2671 [21:04:46] <hello123d> mtn: Intel(R) Dual Band Wireless-AC 8260
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2674 [21:05:20] <mtn> hello123d: you need the iso with firmware, as missmbob said
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2676 [21:05:50] <hello123d> missmbob: thanks, i'll use the non-free iso in that case
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2683 [21:08:46] <hello123d> I want my network card to work before installation instead of having to fix it afterwards
2684 [21:09:04] <missmbob> hello123d: you're trying to install with this?
2685 [21:09:04] <hello123d> too bad, there is no free driver (yet) for this hardware
2686 [21:09:27] <mtn> hello123d: the drive is free, the firmware is not
2687 [21:09:35] <missmbob> hello123d: you never install with live iso. live install has many bugs
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2690 [21:10:24] <hello123d> missmbob: i always installed with live iso so far
2691 [21:10:35] <missmbob> hello123d: stop. get the iso from here
2692 [21:10:38] <missmbob> !firmware iso
2693 [21:10:38] <dpkg> Unofficial <netinst> images - containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for installing Debian 8 "Jessie" are available from replaced-url
2694 [21:10:50] <missmbob> that's the proper installer, not live, with nonfree firmware
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2696 [21:12:05] <hello123d> Then why not put a warning on debian.org that there are bugs with the live installer?
2697 [21:12:17] <hello123d> when installing from them
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2699 [21:12:31] <abrotman> does debian.org suggest to use the liveCD as the installer?
2700 [21:12:51] <hello123d> it doesn't explicitely advise against it
2701 [21:12:59] <Papillon> there's a netinst
2702 [21:13:01] <abrotman> does it tell you that it's supported? or recommend it?
2703 [21:13:04] <Papillon> it's about 250MB
2704 [21:13:31] * abrotman isn't aware anywhere that it suggests it is okay
2705 [21:13:48] <hello123d> When you are ready, you can run the included installer
2706 [21:13:59] <hello123d> is what it says
2707 [21:13:59] <abrotman> from where?
2708 [21:14:30] <abrotman> hello123d: yes, I see it .. perhaps it does need a bug filed against it
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2710 [21:14:36] <hello123d> replaced-url
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2712 [21:14:51] <missmbob> anyway, use the proper installer i linked you to, not live
2713 [21:15:19] <abrotman> I wonder if you can install from the bootloader instead of from the running system
2714 [21:15:22] <hello123d> i don't see the harm, but if you are are sure, i'll download an iso without live
2715 [21:15:41] <missmbob> yes i'm sure it has bugs
2716 [21:15:55] <Papillon> netinstaller. 10/10 would netinstall again
2717 [21:16:06] <Papillon> actually it could be improved
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2721 [21:16:58] <somiaj> the live installer has two forms, if you boot into the installer you are using a very close to offical installer. If you click the installer from inside the live enviroment, that is a different installer.
2722 [21:17:00] <hello123d> If the installer on the non-live-cd is better, than why not include that installer on the livecd?
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2726 [21:18:18] <somiaj> hello123d: if you boot directly into the installer you get a very near offical installer. There are some differences, the biggest is no efi support on the live images. There are some small differences, but using the installer instead of installing from the live enviroment should be suggested if installing from a live image.
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2729 [21:18:43] <somiaj> though I still suggest the offical installers, the live project was a side project that hasn't seen to much development (just maintance) in a while.
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2737 [21:22:32] <mender27> Evening there.
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2740 [21:22:52] <Papillon> hi
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2747 [21:23:48] <guest12345> Papillon: hello
2748 [21:24:24] <Pepe> Feel free to reply: replaced-url
2749 [21:24:30] <Papillon> hi
2750 [21:25:19] <guest12345> I am having some issues right now with my wifi card (of a laptop). I can't find it with the lspci command. What should I do next?
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2753 [21:25:59] <guest12345> some background: I did the net installation and used the ethernet cable
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2755 [21:26:06] <Papillon> did it come with the laptop from the manufacturer?
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2757 [21:26:26] <somiaj> guest12345: have you checked lsusb, are you sure it is a pci wifi card, what else do you ikniow about the card?
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2761 [21:28:27] <guest12345> somiaj: I know about its drivers. net inst mentioned them as missing firmware. they are included in the realtek-firmware package which i installed
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2764 [21:29:17] <somiaj> guest12345: you should be able to see the card if you don't have the correct drivers, so I would first locate and determine which card you have.
2765 [21:29:33] <somiaj> guest12345: if it isn't in lspci, is it a pci card? could it be on the usb bus? lsusb?
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2769 [21:30:21] <somiaj> guest12345: dmesg | grep -i firmware can also help if all it did was fail to load firmware, it should tell you what firmware failed.
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2774 [21:31:38] <abrotman> guest12345: were you here earlier? the toshiba?
2775 [21:31:52] <guest12345> abrotman: no
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2778 [21:33:07] <mender27> guest12345, if it's not lspci, then it's either not connected or not on a pci bus as others mentioned. OR it's set to OFF via a hardware switch.
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2781 [21:33:43] <mender27> Because that physically disables the wifi card.
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2786 [21:35:04] <guest12345> somiaj: after running the dmesg | grep -i firmware command i can see the card.
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2788 [21:35:05] <Papillon> could be not on the whitelist
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2790 [21:35:11] <Papillon> if it's on a thinkpad for instance
2791 [21:35:37] <somiaj> guest12345: okay? I don't know what you can see, did the firmware load what card is it?
2792 [21:35:50] <guest12345> somiaj: i think so. where could i paste?
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2794 [21:36:00] <somiaj> guest12345: putting output at a paste.debian.net would help out.
2795 [21:36:22] <somiaj> guest12345: did the firmware load, or is there a messagae saying failure to load firmware. If it loaded the firmware then the module for the card is loaded.
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2801 [21:37:18] <guest12345> somiaj: replaced-url
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2806 [21:38:39] <somiaj> guest12345: can you paste the output of 'ip addr' at paste.debian.net
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2821 [21:43:39] <mender27> guest12345, the pastebin you provided only shows that the firmware was loaded.
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2824 [21:44:00] <mender27> Also, you should not need to load the firmware manually. The driver/kernel module takes care of that :).
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2827 [21:45:46] <guest12345> is this the line you need somiaj ? 3: wlan0: <BROADCAST,MULTICAST> mtu 1500 qdisc noop state DOWN group default qlen 1000
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2830 [21:46:34] <guest12345> 1. lo, 2. eh0. 3. that one and some mac addresses, i think
2831 [21:46:43] <guest12345> eth0
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2833 [21:47:16] <somiaj> guest12345: your card is up and running wlan0, so what do you want to do with it? How do you want to manage it, do you just want some tool like network-manager?
2834 [21:47:21] <somiaj> guest12345: if so what DE did you use?
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2836 [21:48:07] <tlund> If I want to request a package to be added to jessie-backports, what should I do? (the packages in question are "adb" and "fastboot")
2837 [21:48:17] <guest12345> somiaj: Wicd. i just added wlan0 on the wifi interface and now i can see the networks. thanks :)
2838 [21:48:30] <guest12345> somiaj: will the firmware be loaded automatically from now on?
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2840 [21:48:49] <somiaj> guest12345: yes, one just usually has to reboot or reload the wifi module after installing the firmware package.
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2843 [21:49:52] <somiaj> tlund: replaced-url
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2846 [21:50:59] <guest12345> ok thanks. I will try rebooting later.
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2849 [21:51:09] <tlund> somiaj: i already looked there, and could not find it (unless the answer is "join the mailinglist")
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2851 [21:51:28] <tlund> I would preferr not to join the ML, ask there, and then get chewed out because I ask in the wrong place. :)
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2856 [21:52:49] <guest12345> I have another question: how can I force debian to do the security updates automatically? I am setting up this computer for an old person that is not willing to learn how to update packages. I was thinking about giving the user permission to run the command, putting in in xinitrc after pinging successfully the debian packages address. But there must be some simpler way?
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2859 [21:53:15] <missmbob> !unattended-upgrades
2860 [21:53:15] <dpkg> somebody said unattended-upgrades was a package for installing security upgrades automatically, unattended. See replaced-url
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2865 [21:54:19] <guest12345> i will try that. thanks for the support!
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2870 [21:55:32] <somiaj> tlund: I would make your own and maybe see if you could get a sponsor once you have it done. But besides that I can't find any exact info but I think you just file an RFP bug replaced-url
2871 [21:55:51] <somiaj> tlund: I'm seeing various RFP bugs for other requests for backported packages
2872 [21:55:52] <tlund> somiaj: If I could make my own, I would not be here asking. :)
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2875 [21:56:11] <somiaj> !tell tlund about ssb
2876 [21:56:20] <somiaj> tlund: sometimes it is as simple as the set of instructions the bot gave
2877 [21:56:38] <somiaj> just apt-get -b source packagename.
2878 [21:56:50] <somiaj> (after you ste up the build enviorment)
2879 [21:57:08] <tlund> !tell tlund about package recompile
2880 [21:57:39] <tlund> !tell tlund about debian/rules
2881 [21:57:53] <jelly> !tell tlund about msg the bot
2882 [21:57:54] <mender27> :D
2883 [21:58:41] <tlund> thanks jelly :)
2884 [22:00:18] <tlund> so if I have deb-src lines for both jessie and sid, how do I download the sid source package? "apt-get -t sid source adb" did not work. :(
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2886 [22:00:45] <mender27> tlund, what do you mean by "did not work"?
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2888 [22:01:10] <tlund> mender27: E: The value 'sid' is invalid for APT::Default-Release as such a release is not available in the sources
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2890 [22:01:22] <jelly> you're going to get the latest version by default and that usually means the one from unstable, tlund
2891 [22:01:49] <tlund> jelly: thats not how jessie vs jessie-backports work - but perhaps there is some magic there?
2892 [22:02:26] <tlund> or does "source" vs. "install" work differently?
2893 [22:02:29] <hanasaki> Papillon: replaced-url
2894 [22:02:31] <jelly> tlund, jessie-backports repo is configured in a special way for that
2895 [22:02:50] <hello123d> I tried the non-free version of the live cd but still wasn't able to connect. I'm using Intel(R) Dual Band Wireless-AC 8260
2896 [22:03:01] <tlund> jelly: ah, ok. thanks.
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2898 [22:03:43] <mender27> hello123d, does the installer mention you're missing firmware for the Intel wireless chip explicitly?
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2900 [22:04:19] <tlund> Ok, so it seems I cant build this because it has build-deps on a package that is only in sid - so I guess I just build and install that first?
2901 [22:04:34] <jelly> tlund, build what?
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2903 [22:04:44] <tlund> jelly: in this case, "android-libunwind-dev"
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2905 [22:05:08] <hello123d> mender27: no, it's simply that it always shows "disconnected" in wicd
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2907 [22:05:10] <jelly> judd, checkbackport android-libunwind-dev --fromrelease sid
2908 [22:05:11] <judd> Backporting package android-libunwind-dev in sid→jessie/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using jessie, jessie-backports.
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2910 [22:05:42] <jelly> tlund, looks like build-depends ought to be satisfied for that one
2911 [22:05:47] <tlund> judd, checkbackport adb --fromrelease sid
2912 [22:05:54] <judd> Backporting package adb in sid→jessie/amd64: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: android-libunwind-dev (>= 7.0.0+r1~) [amd64 i386 armel armhf arm64 mips mipsel mips64el], libsafe-iop-dev [amd64 i386 armel armhf arm64 mips mipsel mips64el], android-libext4-utils-dev (>= 7.0.0+r1~) [amd64 i386 armel armhf arm64 mips mipsel mips64el] <!stage1>, android-libf2fs-utils-dev (>= 7.0.0+r1~)
2913 [22:05:55] <judd> [amd64 i386 armel armhf arm64 mips mipsel mips64el] <!stage1>, googletest [amd64 i386 armel armhf arm64 mips mipsel mips64el] <!stage1>.
2914 [22:06:31] <tlund> jelly: not sure what that meant - android-libunwind-dev is neither in jessie nor jessie-backports?
2915 [22:06:51] <TomTomTosch> I can't find an adb package in sid.
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2917 [22:07:16] <hello123d> mender27: i havn't yet tried the installer with non-free. When i tried the installer without non-free packages it said it failed to automatically configure the network.
2918 [22:07:34] <tlund> TomTomTosch: how are you looking? I found it. :)
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2921 [22:07:48] <CutMeOwnThroat> seems judd also did
2922 [22:07:50] <TomTomTosch> ,v adb
2923 [22:07:51] <judd> Package: adb on amd64 -- sid: 1:7.0.0+r1-3; stretch: 1:7.0.0+r1-3
2924 [22:07:56] <TomTomTosch> huh
2925 [22:08:32] <jelly> tlund, didn't ask for its existence, just if it was sane to even try rebuilding it
2926 [22:08:56] <tlund> jelly: ah
2927 [22:08:59] <jelly> asking for existence would go something like
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2929 [22:09:05] <mender27> hello123d, prior to that it should tell you that you're missing firmware if you're missing firmware indeed.
2930 [22:09:10] <jelly> judd, versions android-libunwind-dev
2931 [22:09:11] <judd> Package: android-libunwind-dev on amd64 -- sid: 7.0.0+r1-4; stretch: 7.0.0+r1-4
2932 [22:09:35] <jelly> tlund, and judd can be /msg'd as well
2933 [22:09:36] <hello123d> mender27: okay, then i'm either not missing firmware or it fails to detect i'm missing firmware
2934 [22:09:41] <CutMeOwnThroat> are you saying that things that don't exist can be sane to backport?
2935 [22:09:55] <mender27> hello123d, if you're running in graphical mode, have a look at the other ttys. Maybe one of them is running dmesg.
2936 [22:10:18] <jelly> CutMeOwnThroat, it's ONLY sane to backport things that don't already exist, don't you thikn
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2938 [22:10:38] <hello123d> okay, and then check if one of them says something nasty about missing firmware
2939 [22:10:50] <tlund> judd: If I understand correctly, I need to build and install "android-libunwind-dev" before I can build "adb", but build-dep for android-libunwind-dev seems to require a newer debhelper. :(
2940 [22:10:51] <CutMeOwnThroat> not if they don't exist where you want to backport them FROM,
2941 [22:10:59] <tlund> jelly: If I understand correctly, I need to build and install "android-libunwind-dev" before I can build "adb", but build-dep for android-libunwind-dev seems to require a newer debhelper. :(
2942 [22:11:09] <missmbob> tlund: debhelper is found in jessie-backports
2943 [22:11:11] <mender27> hello123d, otherwise, you can ignore the fact that it's not able to configure the network and get to the point when you can start a shell from the installer environment.
2944 [22:11:22] <jelly> tlund, and you probably got that debhelper in jessie-backports already
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2946 [22:11:29] <tlund> jelly: is it safe to just pull the newer debhelper from backports?
2947 [22:11:34] <mender27> hello123d, you can do the rest of the troubleshooting from there :).
2948 [22:11:39] <tlund> yes, backports has version 10 (that I need)
2949 [22:11:40] <hello123d> i'm not good with fixing network problems from a shell
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2951 [22:12:14] <mender27> hello123d, then at least have a look at dmesg in one of the other ttys. It will mention many things apart from missing firmware.
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2955 [22:13:52] <hello123d> ok
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2959 [22:16:38] <jelly> tlund, probably safer than backporting it yourself
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2964 [22:17:37] <tlund> jelly: yeah. :)
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2966 [22:17:59] <tlund> jelly: right now, I am trying to follow a really long chain of depends on different android packages and build and install them. :)
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2972 [22:18:26] <jelly> good luck with your recursive backporting
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2974 [22:19:01] <tlund> jelly: was that sarcastic? ;)
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2979 [22:19:38] <tlund> i mean, if there is a large chance this is not going to work, I should probably not waste time on it :)
2980 [22:19:40] <jelly> no
2981 [22:19:53] <tlund> if it just means a lot of work, I am game!
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2991 [22:22:31] <tlund> ..wtf?! "dpkg-checkbuilddeps: Unmet build dependencies: bash-completion" ...? why the hell do I need bash-completion to build "android-platform-system-core-7.0.0+r1"? hahaha
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2994 [22:26:23] <tlund> hmm.. there seems to be circular dependencies between packages here, that should not be possible, right? I have to be doing something wrong?
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2997 [22:28:36] <tlund> apt-get source android-libext4-utils-dev ; cd android-platform-system-extras-7.0.0+r1 ; dpkg-buildpackage -uc -us # says it requires android-platform-system-core-headers, but that is build from the same source package?!
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3000 [22:29:07] <tlund> how can a package have build dependencies on itself?
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3005 [22:31:40] <TomTomTosch> android-libext4-utils-dev is part of the source package android-libext4-utils-dev, android-platform-system-core-headers is part of the source package android-platform-system-core. so no circular dependency, you just need to nuild the latter first.
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3010 [22:32:10] <TomTomTosch> eh, correction, android-libext4-utils-dev is part of the source package android-platform-system-extras
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3012 [22:32:45] <tlund> TomTomTosch: confused. What package should I build first?
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3014 [22:34:05] <TomTomTosch> you build the android-platform-system-core source package to get the android-platform-system-core-headers binary package, which you need as a dependency for android-libext4-utils-dev
3015 [22:35:14] <tlund> When I try to build android-platform-system-core it says it neds android-libext4-utils-dev (that comes from android-platform-system-extras-7.0.0+r1)
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3018 [22:35:57] <tlund> And when I try to buld that, it says it needs android-platform-system-extras-7.0.0+r1, it needs android-platform-system-core-headers
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3020 [22:36:11] <tlund> that sounds circular to me?
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3024 [22:36:43] <tlund> perhaps I can build just one package from the "android-platform-system-core-7.0.0+r1" dir? (the headers one) somehow?
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3028 [22:37:22] <dixsonhoepp> Hello friends, I am presented with a problem and I can not find a solution. I want to keep the screen color calibrated. I have calibrated it with these two applications: Xcaliber, Nvidia x server settings.But every time I run for example a game in full screen, the screen color returns to defaut. I have to re-calibrate the color.How do I make the calibration I give the monitor default
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3030 [22:37:30] <tlund> because just running "dpkg-buildpackage -uc -us" gives me circular depencencies between android-platform-system-core-7.0.0+r1/ and android-platform-system-extras-7.0.0+r1/
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3036 [22:42:22] <TomTomTosch> yeah, looks like it. that's bad.
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3043 [22:43:02] <tlund> *phew*
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3045 [22:43:13] <tlund> Not just me being crazy then! hehe. :)
3046 [22:43:39] <tlund> I could probably just extract the "adb" and "fastboot" binaries from the sid package and be done with it. :)
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3049 [22:44:54] <hello123d> I'm unable to connect to the internet on live cd. It says "Your network is probably not using the DHCP protocol." If I run "sudo dhcp" in a terminal, it writes the following to syslog: "No broadcasting interfaces found. Exiting""
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3129 [22:57:32] <L00P3X> hello.. how kann i install all possible guis at once? like as i could do at the firs install?
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3135 [22:59:40] <missmbob> L00P3X: sudo tasksel
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3141 [23:01:21] <L00P3X> thank you missmbob.. this will give me all guis like: gnome, kde, xfce.. ?
3142 [23:01:55] <missmbob> i dont remember what all it lists. should be what you saw during the install
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3164 [23:07:46] <L00P3X> missmbob seem that tasksel do not deliver what i need.. replaced-url
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3167 [23:10:24] <L00P3X> but thank you i will install it once for once.. ^^
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3172 [23:13:13] <hello123d> I'm unable to make a connection on a debian live cd. It says "Your network is probably not using the DHCP protocol." If I run "sudo dhcp" in a terminal, it writes the following to syslog: "No broadcasting interfaces found. Exiting" What's likely to be the problem?
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3196 [23:32:53] <mender27> Goodnight everyone! o/
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3204 [23:34:11] <Gioans-IT-Centos> hello
3205 [23:34:20] <Gioans-IT-Centos> i am a new centos
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3207 [23:35:06] <Gioans-IT-Centos> i cannot regeste my count to join chatIRC
3208 [23:35:26] <xingu> is it just me or did archive.debian.net's certificate expire?
3209 [23:36:02] <missmbob> xingu: it's expired
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3211 [23:36:11] <xingu> neato
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3241 [23:52:28] <hello123d> since i was unable to get dhcp to work with debian jessie, can i find (live) iso's of debian stretch somewhere?
3242 [23:52:46] <missmbob> no
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