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0 [00:00:31] <n4dir> first of all i would test it from command mode anyway
1 [00:00:58] <teraflops> afidegnum: of course you won't see debian from windows boot manager (at least by default)
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4 [00:01:22] <afidegnum> how do i bring them together?
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7 [00:02:31] <teraflops> epsilon: use grub, it should detect if you have another OS and will eventually add a entry to the bootloader, you need osprober installed
8 [00:02:42] <teraflops> no idea if it gets installed y default
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14 [00:04:36] <teraflops> I do not use the debian installer frequently but iirc if it detects you have a windows installation it adds an entry for you
15 [00:04:41] <afidegnum> teraflops: waht do you suggst?
16 [00:05:11] <afidegnum> ah you mean me ?
17 [00:05:25] <teraflops> afidegnum: I'd use a debian installer iso, rescue mode, get inside debian and reinstall grub
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19 [00:05:31] <n4dir> !fixmbr
20 [00:05:31] <dpkg> To reinstall <GRUB> boot to your Debian install disk/live CD, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext4 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc ; mount -t sysfs none /target/sys), chroot into it (chroot /target), run "mount /boot/efi" on EFI and "update-grub && grub-install /dev/whatever". See also <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>.
21 [00:05:38] <afidegnum> ok, let me try that
22 [00:05:43] <teraflops> while there check os prober is installed
23 [00:05:55] <Sark> So, I'm still having X problems. I have now tried all possible combinations of three different video cards, all of which can work independently, to use them in dual monitor setup.
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25 [00:06:14] <Sark> I have gotten all configurations to WORK and produce the perfect result. Problem is - X crashes HARD after a minute or so.
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27 [00:06:42] <Sark> All the hardware is good. It all works independently.
28 [00:07:12] <teraflops> afidegnum: check grub's outuput while reinstalling. it should say there's a windows installation
29 [00:07:26] <afidegnum> ok, sure
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34 [00:08:39] <rgr> which is the correct irc channel for the apache2 that comes with debian. I recall something funny from a few years back. had to use #httpd or something.
35 [00:10:02] <deepy> aye, it's #httpd
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38 [00:11:01] <teraflops> rgr: some guys there dislike the way debian manages vhosts and such?
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50 [00:14:43] <magyar> n4dir: just uncomment this line in /etc/vim/vimrc >> let g:skip_defaults_vim = 1
51 [00:14:47] <magyar> problem fixed
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56 [00:16:50] <n4dir> okay. thanks for the feedback
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61 [00:18:54] <lep> so if you are writing a bash script and you want to use a diff as a condition
62 [00:18:57] <n4dir> the bad news is that next time i will need it i won't remember ... :-)
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64 [00:19:09] <lep> what output of diff is considered true
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69 [00:22:15] <lep> when you use test does it look at standard error output?
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72 [00:23:00] <n4dir> if you use a command you usually don't use "test" or [ or [[; you just do "if grep foobar filename; then ... "
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77 [00:24:41] <lep> n4dir: so what determined the logical value of grep
78 [00:24:44] <n4dir> lep: replaced-url
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80 [00:26:06] <n4dir> you got me there. I think 0 means true as far bash is concerned. You can check with "echo $?" ($? expanding to the exit status of the last command)
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83 [00:27:26] <n4dir> diff seems to return 0 if there is no difference between the two files concerned, but i am over my head here
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85 [00:27:49] <n4dir> if in doubt ask in #bash
86 [00:27:51] <redshadowhero> 0 is somewhat truthy in bash, yeah. Use ! to negate, as in C.
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88 [00:28:33] <lep> there you go, the exit status
89 [00:28:41] <lep> thats what i need to know more about
90 [00:28:45] <lep> thanks
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93 [00:29:01] <lep> wow i didnt know there was a bash chan. awesome
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99 [00:29:39] <n4dir> lep: they are often very detailed, but the answers will be really correct (not me saying something half right, half guessed, and half wrong ... )
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101 [00:30:11] <n4dir> also try shellcheck.net , it will spot the most common errors
102 [00:31:22] <lep> thats so useful thank you. this script has be perfect so this looks very handy
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104 [00:32:00] <n4dir> :-)
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110 [00:35:31] <n4dir> i see: you already get the loving they often have to offer ... :-)
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113 [00:35:53] <n4dir> Exit status is 0 if inputs are the same, 1 if different, 2 if trouble. # from man diff. didn't find it before (i searched for return, not exit)
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116 [00:37:05] <lep> hah yeah me too. i looked at the man but didnt see it
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120 [00:38:06] <n4dir> they can be tough over there. but in most of the cases the answers are spot on
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123 [00:38:27] <n4dir> should have said it before ... :-)
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130 [00:43:45] <lep> im very used to being told rtfm
131 [00:44:27] <n4dir> cool then. and glad you are in good hands regarding that question. good luck.
132 [00:44:43] <Papillon> manpages can be a little hit or miss
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135 [00:45:43] <anonymous> hey
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137 [00:45:55] <matth> Hey
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139 [00:46:35] <lep> hey
140 [00:46:36] <Guest11054> anyone wanna to hack a website
141 [00:46:50] <Guest11054> hey
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285 [02:14:01] <jim> hi...
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292 [02:16:57] <jim> is there somethjing that lets you "comment" or "take notes" on pdfs by having them on the screen, and be able to (at least) put text or draw on them, saving the notes/comments as a separate document (and leaving the original pdf untouched)?
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297 [02:18:40] <jim> I'm gonna xpost to ##linux in a few mins
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300 [02:21:17] <themill> jim: xournal, okular
301 [02:21:49] <awal1> jim, I use pdftk (pdfchain, gtk front-end) for pdf stuff
302 [02:21:59] <awal1> it may do what you want
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304 [02:23:19] <awal1> pdftk can do stuff that okular, evince can't do
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316 [02:30:10] <jim> awal1, themill, thanks very much... I already had it up in okular, and found tools -> review
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381 [03:25:27] <deego> I have a play machine not protected by a UPS. Why, after every power outage, do I see it clearing orphaned nodes from /usr of all places? would'nt that be a directory very seldom written to? (during packge upgrades)
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384 [03:28:03] <mrrhq> I think /usr/share is likely accessed after upgrades, and files in /usr/bin would be replaced after upgrades, too.
385 [03:28:28] <mrrhq> And /usr/lib.
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388 [03:29:09] <deego> mrrhq: yes, so after upgrades. What are the chances that these files are being modified whenever i have a power outage?
389 [03:29:20] <deego> in particular, i know i hadn't done any apt-get upgrade in the last few days
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392 [03:30:48] <mrrhq> Writes, and even reads there are pretty much non-existant, unless you're doing upgrades.
393 [03:31:06] <mrrhq> What's kind of file system are you using, by the way?
394 [03:31:48] <deego> ext4
395 [03:32:08] <deego> ikr, i don't get why i always see it repairing /usr
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397 [03:34:02] <mrrhq> Every time? I'm not sure. I know ext4 is a very stable FS, so there's not much to worry about. Still I'd say, always keep backups!
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400 [03:35:42] <deego> of /usr? :)
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408 [03:37:36] <mrrhq> Anything important.
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411 [03:38:40] <deego> mrrhq: will do, thanks
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413 [03:39:19] <mrrhq> No prob.
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427 [03:49:33] <empty_cup> hello, i'm looking to cache debian packages for an internal network across releases, is there anything better than apt-cacher-ng?
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433 [03:52:49] <dvs> apt-mirror?
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435 [03:54:16] <empty_cup> dvs: i found a lwn article from 2009 comparing different tools and apt-mirror was mentioned in the comments
436 [03:54:24] <empty_cup> it's worth checking out
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558 [05:26:55] <magyar> hi, is there a apache 2.4 for wheezy?
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562 [05:28:52] <somiaj> ,v apache2
563 [05:28:53] <judd> Package: apache2 on amd64 -- wheezy: 2.2.22-13+deb7u6; wheezy-security: 2.2.22-13+deb7u8; jessie: 2.4.10-10+deb8u7; jessie-proposed-updates: 2.4.10-10+deb8u8; jessie-security: 2.4.10-10+deb8u8; sid: 2.4.25-3; stretch: 2.4.25-3
564 [05:29:14] <somiaj> magyar: no. If you want apache 2.4 I suggest upgrading to jessie in your plans (if feasable)
565 [05:29:49] <magyar> thanks somiaj
566 [05:30:40] <somiaj> you could build your own package if you wanted to, but then you wouldn't get advantange of the debian security updates.
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569 [05:31:25] <pgrunwald> replaced-url
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572 [05:33:40] <somiaj> I would still suggest building your own package, so you can rebuild when a secruity update is needed.
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603 [06:00:57] <Aph3x-WL> hello, i'm in the netinstaller at the part "software selection" and i want to install xfce but i'm not sure if i need "debian desktop environment" checked. i've googled and found mostly old posts (2-3 years) and people who seemed to be confused about it as well
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608 [06:11:22] <somiaj> yes, you want the main desktop enviorment and xfce both checked
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610 [06:14:51] <Aph3x-WL> so what is it that "debian desktop environment" provides? xorg and such?
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636 [06:33:05] <osqaiq> hey, having problems with debian 8.x
637 [06:33:33] <osqaiq> iwconfig not showing my wireless card
638 [06:34:12] <osqaiq> wether lsusb its actually showing it
639 [06:34:25] <osqaiq> sorry, not card, adapter
640 [06:34:27] <n-iCe> what shows
641 [06:35:31] <osqaiq> Bus 002 Device 005: ID 2357:010c
642 [06:35:40] <osqaiq> already installed atheros drivers
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644 [06:37:03] <n-iCe> and what's your card model
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646 [06:37:18] <osqaiq> TL WN722N V2
647 [06:37:44] <osqaiq> I bought it because it was a mainstream kali linux wireless adapter
648 [06:37:49] <osqaiq> its not a card sorry
649 [06:37:53] <osqaiq> usb wireless adapter
650 [06:38:08] <n-iCe> and what did you install
651 [06:38:46] <osqaiq> @n-iCe replaced-url
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653 [06:39:16] <n-iCe> did you reboot?
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656 [06:40:19] <osqaiq> @n-iCe yes
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658 [06:40:48] <n-iCe> do you have a hardware way to turn on or off the wifi?
659 [06:41:05] <osqaiq> i can un-plug it
660 [06:41:16] <osqaiq> if thats what you mean
661 [06:41:41] <n-iCe> oh, external
662 [06:41:49] <osqaiq> yes
663 [06:41:50] <n-iCe> what does dmesg say when you unplug and pluc back
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665 [06:43:00] <osqaiq> quite a lot of things, you want me to pastebin it?
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668 [06:44:18] <osqaiq> dmesg its quite huge
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671 [06:45:08] <n-iCe> does it detect the card?
672 [06:45:18] <osqaiq> yes
673 [06:45:41] <n-iCe> as root, use iwconfig
674 [06:45:44] <n-iCe> what does it detect
675 [06:45:55] <osqaiq> no wireless extensions
676 [06:46:16] <n-iCe> does the card have any light as indicator?
677 [06:46:23] <osqaiq> yes, not working
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679 [06:46:30] <osqaiq> i mean, it does work with windows
680 [06:46:31] <n-iCe> then drivers are not installed
681 [06:46:44] <n-iCe> did you install the firmware?
682 [06:46:56] <n-iCe> pastebin me lsusb
683 [06:47:05] <n-iCe> when the card is plugged
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685 [06:47:28] <qpisc> sorry, its me again, the guy with the wireless problem
686 [06:47:49] <qpisc> pastebin.com/cWqRwfZi
687 [06:48:06] <qpisc> its so weird
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689 [06:48:30] <qpisc> it says realtek when its actually tp link and i have nothing more in any usb
690 [06:48:48] <n-iCe> then you are wrong
691 [06:48:53] <n-iCe> or you bought a chinese card
692 [06:48:56] <n-iCe> haha
693 [06:48:59] <n-iCe> paste the lsusb line
694 [06:49:02] <n-iCe> that was dmesg
695 [06:49:35] <qpisc> i got it from amazon, verified buyer
696 [06:50:34] <n-iCe> lusb line
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698 [06:50:55] <qpisc> pastebin.com/Lxe48h1g
699 [06:51:07] <qpisc> when i unplug it, the first line dissapears
700 [06:51:15] <qpisc> when i plug it, the first line appears again
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702 [06:51:45] <n-iCe> are you using debian?
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704 [06:52:12] <qpisc> kali linux as debian 8.x
705 [06:52:26] <qpisc> tried the same on debian
706 [06:52:35] <qpisc> its the same thing
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708 [06:52:56] <n-iCe> uhm
709 [06:53:27] <n-iCe> ok
710 [06:54:18] <n-iCe> qpisc: apt-get install firmware-realtek
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713 [06:55:00] <qpisc> nothing happens
714 [06:55:01] <qpisc> already tried lol
715 [06:55:21] <n-iCe> what?
716 [06:55:23] <n-iCe> was it installed?
717 [06:56:09] <qpisc> i did what you've said a minute before you said it
718 [06:56:14] <qpisc> apt-get install firmware-realtek
719 [06:56:24] <qpisc> still no wireless connections
720 [06:56:30] <n-iCe> so it was installed
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722 [06:56:40] <longobardi> !list
723 [06:56:40] <dpkg> longobardi: vedi replaced-url
724 [06:56:51] <qpisc> firmware-realtek installed
725 [06:56:54] <qpisc> yes
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727 [06:57:18] <n-iCe> weird
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729 [06:57:40] <eagles0513875|2> morning all
730 [06:57:48] <qpisc> i know, such a headache, and I need it for a presentation
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732 [06:57:52] <qpisc> :/
733 [06:57:58] <qpisc> morning
734 [06:59:03] <longobardi> replaced-url
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736 [06:59:56] <n-iCe> qpisc: uhm
737 [07:00:04] <n-iCe> qpisc: try a different usb
738 [07:00:06] <n-iCe> port
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745 [07:01:21] <qpisc> working!!
746 [07:01:26] <qpisc> nah, just kidding
747 [07:01:28] <qpisc> i wish
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750 [07:01:57] <n-iCe> but lspci and lsusb and dmesg
751 [07:02:01] <n-iCe> say the same in a different port?
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756 [07:02:39] <qpisc> lsusb says the same different port
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758 [07:03:22] <qpisc> lspci says nothing about it
759 [07:03:29] <qpisc> (about the adapter)
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766 [07:10:13] <qpisc> gonna try sth, ill let you know if it works @n-iCe
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814 [07:38:48] <shalvin> Hey people_anybody currently doing oscp
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816 [07:39:57] <shalvin> Can anybody assist me with loading downloaded modules to metasploit
817 [07:40:07] <shalvin> been struggling with this from past 2 days
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852 [07:58:10] <barbbber> I just installed Debian Jessie minimal, i see X server running as root. Can i make it run as normal user ?
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866 [08:10:34] <barbbber> i red that Xserver now can run in normal user by default replaced-url
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868 [08:10:57] <barbbber> but on my jessie install it runs as root
869 [08:11:13] <barbbber> can i fix this, or it's not implemented in jessie yet ?
870 [08:11:58] <missmbob> barbbber: that's for stretch, not jessie
871 [08:12:36] <barbbber> it's hard for me to make xorg running on normal user in jessie ?
872 [08:13:01] <missmbob> i'm not sure if you can
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874 [08:14:33] <barbbber> missmbob, do you think running xorg is big security disatvantage ?
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878 [08:14:47] <barbbber> *running xorg in root rights
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887 [08:17:08] <missmbob> i'm not the best person to ask
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891 [08:19:17] <barbbber> missmbob, ok, thanks
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1061 [09:58:51] <hid3> Good morning. Some offtopic question, but maybe anyone has got an Intel Core i5-3470T CPU for sale?
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1076 [10:11:33] <darxmurf> nop
1077 [10:12:33] <sqz> hid3: ebay?
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1080 [10:13:03] <hid3> sqz: nothing in ebay regarding that... :(
1081 [10:13:22] <hid3> and I need it to get my machne up
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1083 [10:14:19] <sqz> isn't there any other compatible CPU you could fit in there?
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1085 [10:14:37] <sqz> many cpu's fit on many socket types right
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1087 [10:15:14] <hid3> yeah, but don't wanna go downgrade. Would be great to find 3470T... If not, then I'll try to seek for other alternatives which would be a downgrade
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1089 [10:15:51] <hid3> really weird there are none for sale in Europe
1090 [10:16:05] <sqz> agreed, one would thing CPU's are a global things
1091 [10:16:07] <sqz> -s
1092 [10:16:26] <hid3> Yep.. Only a couple in the States and one (possibly knock off) in China
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1115 [10:25:17] <sqz> I guess you built your own computer and want to improve things, rather than buying a new one
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1129 [10:31:03] <hid3> yeah, you're right
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1136 [10:32:58] <darxmurf> hid3: replaced-url
1137 [10:33:12] <darxmurf> oh sorry: Delivery date unknown
1138 [10:33:56] <darxmurf> huh there only one CPU in this LGA model Oo
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1142 [10:35:37] <hid3> yeah, it's out of stock
1143 [10:35:56] <hid3> only chance to get is market of used things
1144 [10:36:03] <hid3> but there are none of them
1145 [10:36:12] <hid3> pretty strange
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1151 [10:39:19] <trewas> it's a five year old processor, no wonder new ones aren't available for that socket... but there should be plenty of faster used sandy/ivy bridge processors
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1154 [10:41:25] <hid3> but usually 5 years after, the second hand market is full of that stuff
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1164 [10:46:53] <Cl0udN9ne> shipped them all to third world countries for sale at exorbitant prices lul
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1169 [10:49:31] <Chrismeister> Hello, I have issues installing Debian from one USB to another. These issues began after a switch from a USB of type 2.0 to a USB of type 3.1. I have two USB 3.0 devices. I am capable of making the first USB bootable by copying the .iso to /dev/sdb - so booting the installation is not an issue. After installing debian to the second USB, the issues begin. My laptop does not recognize the second USB bootable. Any ideas what I can do?
1170 [10:49:51] <Chrismeister> If I do the exact same procedure with my USB 2.0 devices. Everything works.
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1189 [10:58:14] <vmnew> [Ex from grub- perhaps a dead channel]- What is the difference between PV-Grub and grub 0.x/1 ? They both seem to have menu.lst, just grub 0/1 is for HVM and supports full virtualization? How can I make sure that grub is PV from within a vm, let's say Debian (PV from AWS)
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1192 [10:58:53] <bernhardr> Good day, i have an issue with updating the kernel for my debian wheezy server (cant write because only 40 mb left for rootfs) on device. I tried to clean up with apt-get autoclean but that does not help. Still at 322M 265M 41M 87% /
1193 [10:59:02] <bernhardr> i checked with dpkg -l 'linux-image-*'
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1196 [10:59:36] <bernhardr> to see if there are old images that i could remove but i only receive this output
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1204 [11:06:12] <bernhardr> for a few kernels.
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1207 [11:08:39] <TimurTheLame> bernhardr, you could delete .old-dkms files in /boot if you happen to have them
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1213 [11:14:48] <bernhardr> Timurrhelame i dont seem to have those files.
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1215 [11:15:23] <bernhardr> du -sh /boot/* | sort -rh
1216 [11:15:31] <bernhardr> 11M /boot/initrd.img-3.2.0-4-686-pae
1217 [11:15:31] <bernhardr> 4.3M /boot/grub
1218 [11:15:31] <bernhardr> 2.6M /boot/vmlinuz-3.2.0-4-686-pae
1219 [11:15:31] <bernhardr> 1.7M /boot/System.map-3.2.0-4-686-pae
1220 [11:15:31] <bernhardr> 133K /boot/config-3.2.0-4-686-pae
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1227 [11:17:42] <TimurTheLame> bernhardr, maybe poke in /var/cache ?
1228 [11:18:55] <bernhardr> let me check actually the size of rootfs is 322M 265M 41M 87% / used
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1230 [11:20:08] <bernhardr> var cache only takes up a total of 15 mb..
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1232 [11:21:21] <bernhardr> But actually the problem lies in the fact that rootfs has limited space of 322mb and 87% of this space is in use.
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1234 [11:22:15] <bernhardr> I googled a lot about this issue but the common solutions do not free up some of that space.
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1236 [11:23:35] <bernhardr> So actually i need to figure out a way to clean some of the content of rootfs
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1238 [11:25:15] <vmnew> bernhardr, replaced-url
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1242 [11:26:58] <BluesKaj> HI folks
1243 [11:27:01] <bernhardr> vmnew thank you for your suggestion, but actually i need to know how to check what is the content of rootfs, and which content i can remove.
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1248 [11:28:34] <bernhardr> It seems though that rootfs is some reserved space where these boot files etc are placed.
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1250 [11:28:54] <vmnew> bernhardr, this is how you do it - you play around with 'du' to list the sizes of your directories -'ls -lh' will list their content
1251 [11:29:20] <vmnew> bernhardr, post your df -h
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1255 [11:30:57] <bernhardr> vmnew i already know where that problem is 322M 265M 41M 87% /
1256 [11:30:57] <bernhardr> So actually it cant write the new kernel because there is not enough space (only 41 left of 322 mb) in that location.
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1258 [11:31:20] <bernhardr> one moment
1259 [11:31:22] <vmnew> Do you have a /boot partition? can you paste df -h
1260 [11:31:26] <vmnew> ?
1261 [11:31:56] <bernhardr> df -h /
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1263 [11:32:51] <bernhardr> output /dev/mapper/Duizend-root 322M 265M 41M 87% /
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1265 [11:33:08] <BluesKaj> !paste
1266 [11:33:08] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: replaced-url
1267 [11:34:19] <jelly> bernhardr: if you have free space in Duizend volume group, you can resize that logical volume and / filesystem online
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1270 [11:34:41] <jelly> bernhardr: pastebin output of "lsblk", "vgs" and "lvs"
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1272 [11:35:23] <bernhardr> jelly that would be my last option.. and scarry part.. since resing my boot can destroy my server.. and i could not fix it.
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1276 [11:36:42] <vmnew> bernhardr, can you please paste the output of ''df -h' without the trailing /
1277 [11:36:52] <vmnew> -'
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1279 [11:38:38] <bernhardr> one moment
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1282 [11:41:12] <bernhardr> vmnew replaced-url
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1285 [11:43:38] <vmnew> bernhardr, great so you DO have a /boot partition. If you are trying to manage kernel images, this is where you should be looking. 1. Paste the complete output of sudo du -hs /boot/* 2. Where did you see your 'rootfs' reference error? Or was that an assumption ??
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1290 [11:46:15] <bernhardr> vmnew.. for 2. see error replaced-url
1291 [11:47:40] <bernhardr> vmnew for 1. see replaced-url
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1297 [11:51:00] <vmnew> bernhardr, this system is setup wrong, having 322M for / but 8.2GB for /usr .... You need to switch that around using the lvm mechanisms provided. Fortunatly it's easier when having LVM than without... If you are insecure about it, snapshot/clone it and try it on a test machine first. Or remake it using a small / and test there. Also, paste - ls -lh /
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1299 [11:52:42] <bernhardr> vmnew actually it is the standard install of wheezy server.
1300 [11:52:56] <TimurTheLame> The plot thickens.
1301 [11:53:19] <bernhardr> and yes i am ver insecure about it since i can not affort breaking it..
1302 [11:53:55] <bernhardr> lvm is installed though.. i would prefer to snapshot clone it and try it on a test machine.
1303 [11:54:22] <vmnew> bernhardr, that's always recommended. what's your uname -a
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1305 [11:54:56] <bernhardr> Linux 3.2.0-4-686-pae #1 SMP Debian 3.2.84-2 i686 GNU/Linux
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1307 [11:58:34] <vmnew> I doubt that this is the default schema, perhaps on a very specific installation schema... Can't find references to it now. Test it and you'll learn more and be confident with LVM
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1312 [12:00:20] <vmnew> bernhardr, is this you - replaced-url
1313 [12:01:00] <vmnew> From 4 years ago....
1314 [12:01:02] <vmnew> :)
1315 [12:01:04] <bernhardr> i need to check how i can clone it without any problems.. installed is an 120 gb ssd disk.. but i have spare 240 gb wd disks which i might use ?
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1317 [12:01:31] <vmnew> Good luck - you have all the info you need
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1320 [12:02:11] <vmnew> You can add disks but it isnt needed, just reorder the space you do have. Adding disks will not be without additional work as to get it to /
1321 [12:02:56] <bernhardr> i mean add a disk to clone the ssd disk right ? to test the resizing on the cloned copy ?
1322 [12:03:36] <vmnew> Is this a physical server?
1323 [12:03:41] <bernhardr> actually i did not wrote that article.. i alread read many articles from people who had the same issue.
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1325 [12:04:14] <bernhardr> yes physical server which i can acces.
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1329 [12:06:00] <vmnew> Do you have vmware workstation/virtualbox etc? Get it (VBox is free) and use that for all your testing
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1332 [12:07:02] <vmnew> Have to go - good luck
1333 [12:07:32] <bernhardr> meaby i tried that once.. my server is debian an my work pc windows10 .. how would i clone my server and test it then ?
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1335 [12:07:46] <bernhardr> thanks vmnew
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1349 [12:13:18] <Guest82148> Hi.
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1355 [12:16:56] <Guest82148> Got a problem with latest stable release. I didn't installed iwlwifi package during deploy. I thought that when I do it afterwards everything will be ok. Unfortunately I don't see any network manager in tray ( kde ). I am not sure one is installed. Even dhclient is missing. I manually did "ip addr add xxxxx dev eth0" and "ip l s eth0 up" but when I try to ping google's dns I get connect: Network is un
1356 [12:16:56] <Guest82148> reachable.
1357 [12:17:07] <Guest82148> Any advice how to get the net running?
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1359 [12:17:31] <armin> Guest82148: is dhcpcd installed?
1360 [12:17:53] <Guest82148> armin, missing.
1361 [12:17:58] <ompaul> Guest82148: you have rebooted from the install?
1362 [12:18:05] <Guest82148> ompaul, 2 times.
1363 [12:18:14] <BluesKaj> Guest82148, make sure network-manager is installed
1364 [12:18:20] <armin> Guest82148: you'll have to set a default route and a dns server.
1365 [12:18:30] <ompaul> Guest82148: how did you do the install?
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1367 [12:18:45] <armin> also dhclient AND dhcpcd missing seems weird.
1368 [12:19:36] <Guest82148> BluesKaj, already wrote it's not. armin forgot default route, thanks. By the way: how do I set DNS? resolve.conf is missing. Is it systemd thing? ompaul offline from usb.
1369 [12:19:55] <ompaul> Guest82148: off line ...
1370 [12:20:30] <BluesKaj> Guest82148, then install it
1371 [12:20:51] <ompaul> Guest82148: do it again attached to a piece of wire that has internet on it
1372 [12:21:18] <ompaul> it's cheaper than spending half your day messing around discovering one piece after another is missing
1373 [12:21:49] <ompaul> you should aspire to be the very model of effiency
1374 [12:22:37] <ompaul> that wasn't an effective way of spelling efficiency
1375 [12:23:31] <ompaul> Guest82148: my first root account was in 2003 or something like that, I first wrote code in 1980 ... I may know a bit about shaving yaks
1376 [12:23:39] <ompaul> don't go shaving the yak
1377 [12:23:46] <Guest82148> Ok, thank you all for input. armin thanks for reminding about default route. Just jest it up and the wire works ok. Now I have to configure DNS and I am off to install network manager.
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1381 [12:25:44] <ompaul> Guest82148: if this works you will be slightly more content cat > /etc/resolv.conf (next line) namserver 8.8.8.8 CTRL C
1382 [12:26:03] <ompaul> I'm still of the opinion that you don't know what else was missing
1383 [12:26:15] <Guest82148> thanks!
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1388 [12:28:03] <ompaul> Guest82148: apt-get install tasksel
1389 [12:28:08] <ompaul> then run tasksel
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1391 [12:28:43] <ompaul> you choose base utils and all the kde funky you can and it will auto install reboot and then you have a system that is almost as good as if you installed it correctly first time - always with a wire
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1399 [12:32:05] <Guest82148> ompaul, thanks for the advice, but I am not sure I want all the tings there. Desktop works fine right now, I just want to install essential network packages.
1400 [12:32:24] <Guest82148> I have to figure out what are they.
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1402 [12:32:47] <sypher> "I don't know why it's not working, but I know I don't want stuff. I don't know what stuff is, but I know I don't want it." Got it.
1403 [12:33:22] <sypher> Guest82148: ompaul's recommendation is a good one. Select the standard package set in tasksel, you'll get the base packages that should be there. Then you can do what you want as far as your graphical environment.
1404 [12:33:26] <Guest82148> sypher, I will google it out any maybe learn something in the process. Get it.
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1407 [12:34:34] <Guest82148> It's not like I am not grateful for ompaul input. I may end up going that road if I will fail to configure it in other way.
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1409 [12:35:24] <plasmoduck> how do I make my promt look like this please? replaced-url
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1414 [12:37:58] <sypher> plasmoduck: That looks like some kind of zsh stuff.
1415 [12:38:06] <plasmoduck> nah, bash mate
1416 [12:38:25] <plasmoduck> Never mind, I followed this guide and done it replaced-url
1417 [12:38:28] <sypher> plasmoduck: Eh, if you say so. I don't bother with that kind of thing, makes my terminals go wonky.
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1420 [12:40:14] <gedas> Hey guys, how I can block SPAM on Courier MTA by domain name?
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1441 [12:50:20] <Guest82148> ompaul, I installed the tasksel but when I start it the only options I get are debian desktop environment and KDE which are already installed. Do I need to enable something extra?
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1460 [13:00:38] <ompaul> Guest82148: sorry, busy, tasksel --list | less and you will see your options
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1467 [13:04:03] <Guest82148> ompaul, thanks again.
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1470 [13:04:57] <ompaul> Guest82148: have fun - but the best advise I can give you is always make sure a wire is involved with an install
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1494 [13:24:01] <armin> Guest82148: you're welcome. happy to help. :)
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1504 [13:26:49] <roberru> Hello
1505 [13:27:12] <roberru> I'm using alt-f on a D-link dns 323 NAS
1506 [13:27:20] <roberru> Am I on the right place ?
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1516 [13:33:39] <Guest82148> I thought I was close but it turned otherwise. I've added sources to sources.list installed 'laptop' section from tasksel, rebooted thinking 'network manager will show up'. It didn't and now I get RTNETLINK answers: Network in unreachable when I try to set default gateway. Any advises?
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1524 [13:35:21] <Guest82148> My bad with the route.
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1527 [13:35:40] <Guest82148> Could not add because I omitted mast when adding ip.
1528 [13:35:44] <armin> Guest82148: if you get that message when trying to add a route it means you have a logical thinking error. the IP address of the gateway you tried to define is not reachable from any of your network interfaces. this for example happens if you have set 192.168.0.138/24 as your IP address but try to configure 192.168.1.1 as your gateway, it's simply not inside the same subnet.
1529 [13:35:54] <armin> ah. :)
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1531 [13:35:57] <Guest82148> ; )
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1533 [13:36:26] <Guest82148> Still can someone tell me what to install to see network manager in tray on jassie with kde?
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1536 [13:37:13] <armin> "nm-applet" is the name of the program that adds such a system tray entry. it's GTK though, and there's a different one for KDE - i don't know its name though...
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1538 [13:37:33] <Guest82148> thanks will try to google it out.
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1540 [13:38:16] <themill> ,i plasma-nm
1541 [13:38:16] <armin> plasma-nm - Plasma5 networkmanager library.
1542 [13:38:17] <judd> Package plasma-nm (kde, optional) in jessie/amd64: Network Management widget for KDE Plasma workspaces. Version: 0.9.3.4-2; Size: 782.6k; Installed: 4831k; Homepage: replaced-url
1543 [13:38:19] <armin> this one i guess
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1546 [13:38:39] <themill> yep
1547 [13:38:49] <armin> themill: :)
1548 [13:39:09] <Guest82148> Thanks, but are you sure that's the one for kde4? Looks like something from 5th edition.
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1550 [13:40:02] <armin> Guest82148: oh, don't know about debian stable actually. didn't notice i shouldn't give advise while being on testing, my apologies. there's probably a different one for KDE4, too.
1551 [13:40:26] <Guest82148> armin, no problem, thanks for trying to help.
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1555 [13:42:52] <themill> yes, it exists for kde4 too
1556 [13:44:15] <Guest82148> themill, thanks for confirming! Ok, installing right now.
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1570 [13:51:03] <Guest82148> Damn, still no go. Guess I will have to install testing but I wanted to avoid that.
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1580 [13:57:02] <Guest82148> Sorry, It does work. I am just a drama queen jumping to a conclusions too fast.
1581 [13:57:10] <Guest82148> Thank you all very much!
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1585 [13:57:51] <Bliepo> I have a question: I am currently using a kernel from jessie-backports, but since the hardware that required this kernel has been removed I want to revert back to the normal kernel. So what would be the correct way of doing this?
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1607 [14:10:52] <Fuj1M4s> /msg NickServ indentify
1608 [14:11:01] <Fuj1M4s> /msg NickServ indentify Fuj1m4s
1609 [14:11:10] <Fuj1M4s> /msg NickServ
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1611 [14:11:32] <FinalX> well, that didn't go so well for him
1612 [14:11:41] <petn-randall> Fuj1M4s: That is a weak password if I have ever seen one.
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1621 [14:14:50] <sypher> It also seems that "indentify"ing his commands was part of his problem.
1622 [14:15:13] <BluesKaj> in the wrong textbox
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1626 [14:16:55] <Papillon> well, if he's doing financial transactions via freenode irc he's screwed
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1683 [14:40:09] * ssarah says hi
1684 [14:40:49] <misirk85> hi What is the name of the silverlight port on jessie ?
1685 [14:40:57] <Papillon> hi
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1687 [14:42:05] <Papillon> mono was the linux .net? Did it do silverlight?
1688 [14:42:12] <Papillon> though iirc silverlight is deprecated
1689 [14:42:28] <jhutchins_wk> misirk85: I thought silverlight was a Windows thing. Ports have numbers, not names.
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1691 [14:42:39] <Papillon> wonder if it's named for mononucleosis
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1695 [14:43:14] <Papillon> silverlight's a subset of .net iirc, or sort of a super sub superset or sub super sub set
1696 [14:43:19] <misirk85> :D
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1698 [14:44:14] <misirk85> I mean the equivalent Silverlight so I can watch the show on jessie :)
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1701 [14:45:04] <Papillon> replaced-url
1702 [14:45:17] <Papillon> looks like moonlight might be what you might possibly be looking for
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1704 [14:45:31] <jhutchins_wk> misirk85: The fact that it needs silverlight means they want you to have to pay Microsoft to see it.
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1707 [14:46:18] <tdn> Is there a good disk usage visualizer for Linux like WinDirStat for Windows?
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1718 [14:49:28] <misirk85> jhutchins_wk you're right :)
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1720 [14:49:41] <Papillon> try moonlight misirk85
1721 [14:49:58] <Papillon> replaced-url
1722 [14:50:08] <Papillon> replaced-url
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1729 [14:54:34] <sucode_> I have to design a distro based on Debian
1730 [14:54:47] <sucode_> where should i get the relevant information
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1750 [14:58:44] <teraflops> misirk85: moonlight never worked with all the video stuff I tried. I ended using pipelight
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1753 [15:00:00] <teraflops> …but it eventually won't work with latest firefox releases, or that's what I inferred from latest firefox warnings
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1766 [15:03:30] <dTal> sucode_: that kind of question is very much in the "if you have to ask" category
1767 [15:04:13] <sucode_> where can i get that category ?
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1771 [15:05:55] <dTal> hoo boy
1772 [15:06:36] <sucode_> dTal, help
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1774 [15:06:59] <petn-randall> sucode_: We won't and can't help you making your own distro. This is the support channel *for* Debian, not any forks.
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1776 [15:07:30] <dTal> what I mean is, designing a distro is not trivial, and you can't expect to find a 1-2-3 guide for it
1777 [15:07:53] <sucode_> petn-randall, i want my distro to based on debian , not any fork
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1779 [15:08:05] <sucode_> dTal, where should i get started
1780 [15:08:18] <dTal> replaced-url
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1784 [15:09:21] <ychaouche_fromdo> Hello #debian
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1786 [15:09:35] <ychaouche_fromdo> I have started and stopped shorewall, but after that I can no longer connect from outside
1787 [15:09:46] <ychaouche_fromdo> Anyone of you guys know how can I disable user rules ?
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1789 [15:10:56] <petn-randall> sucode_: That is the exact definition of a fork.
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1791 [15:11:04] <petn-randall> !tell sucode_ -about based on
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1797 [15:15:09] <petn-randall> ychaouche_fromdo: That is the default when you stop shorewall. You have to set ADMINISABSENTMINDED = true to allow all traffic through on stop.
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1800 [15:15:52] <ychaouche_fromdo> lol
1801 [15:16:08] <ychaouche_fromdo> I didn't know that stopping the firewall would also stop traffic :D
1802 [15:16:14] <ychaouche_fromdo> ok thanks petn-randall
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1804 [15:16:26] <ychaouche_fromdo> do you remember if this was also the case in debian 6 ?
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1819 [15:23:36] <ychaouche> petn-randall: also, I think service shorewall start doesn't start shorewall
1820 [15:23:42] <ychaouche> I have to do shorewall start
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1823 [15:25:06] <petn-randall> ychaouche: Yes, stopping it will make it DROP or REJECT all traffic by default. This is by design, and expected behaviour.
1824 [15:25:20] <petn-randall> ychaouche: Did you check why it doesn't start?
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1828 [15:27:46] <ychaouche> I believe it says read the /usr/share/.../README but I didn't because I assumed it says to set STARTUP_ENABLED to 1, which I already did...
1829 [15:27:55] <ychaouche> I mean that's what in syslog
1830 [15:28:20] <ychaouche> ah
1831 [15:28:27] <ychaouche> I changed it in the wrong file :/
1832 [15:28:37] <ychaouche> I must change /etc/default/shorewall and not /etc/shorewall.conf
1833 [15:29:20] <ychaouche> thanks for the heads-up petn-randall
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1847 [15:39:49] <ws2k3> the size of the ring buffer for a nic tx/rx is that kb/mb ?
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1849 [15:40:18] <Papillon> probably?
1850 [15:40:30] <ws2k3> Current hardware settings: RX: 256 TX: 256 this values are those kb or mb?
1851 [15:41:08] <Papillon> probably kb
1852 [15:41:19] <Voldenet> ws2k3: descriptors
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1854 [15:41:44] <ws2k3> Voldenet hmm i think i dont understand
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1856 [15:41:55] <Voldenet> me neither
1857 [15:42:02] <ws2k3> Voldenet i think you dont mean file descriptors?
1858 [15:42:24] <Voldenet> I just copied this: replaced-url
1859 [15:42:28] <Voldenet> :P
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1861 [15:43:08] <Voldenet> i'd think those are bytes though
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1865 [15:45:42] <Voldenet> actually, the manual calls it 'channels'
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1869 [15:46:40] <Papillon> that only raises more questions
1870 [15:46:42] <Voldenet> oh wait
1871 [15:47:31] <Voldenet> actually, it depends on what rx/tx you're talking about apparently :P
1872 [15:47:47] <jorb> so when i do `apt-cache show chromium` i can see two versions (55.0.2883.75-1~deb8u1, 57.0.2987.98-1~deb8u1), but when i try to say `apt-get install chromium version=55.0.2883.75-1~deb8u1` it no likey
1873 [15:48:06] <jorb> E: Unable to locate package version
1874 [15:48:14] <jorb> is there some hidden version, or am i just doing it wrong?
1875 [15:48:14] <babilen> jorb: could you paste the output to replaced-url
1876 [15:49:22] <Voldenet> jorb: you don't do 'version='
1877 [15:49:36] <Voldenet> apt-get install chromium=55.0.2883.75-1~deb8u1
1878 [15:49:40] <Voldenet> this should do
1879 [15:50:00] <jorb> neat, thx Voldenet
1880 [15:50:44] <Voldenet> ws2k3: there are two types of rx/tx in ethtool apparently, -l for channels and -g for entries in a ring buffer
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1884 [15:52:38] <ws2k3> Voldenet yeah im talking about the -g in a ring buffer
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1887 [15:53:14] <Voldenet> -G rx "Changes the number of ring entries for the Rx ring." :)
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1891 [15:55:55] <Voldenet> apparently... a ring entry is a frame, which depends on MTU (but I didn't find any credible sources on that)
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1894 [15:56:44] <Papillon> that makes a certain amount of sense
1895 [15:58:38] <ws2k3> is it possible to reset the error counters on ethtool -S eth2: rx_fifo_errors: 159401
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1904 [16:02:03] <`Kevin> ws2k3: only way i know of is rmmod + modprobe of the nic driver which is likely not ideal
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1909 [16:03:08] <Voldenet> ws2k3: bcu ethport --statsclr 1/0
1910 [16:03:38] <Voldenet> google-fu to the rescue: replaced-url
1911 [16:04:07] <Voldenet> i wonder if that
1912 [16:04:12] <Voldenet> is some proprietary system though
1913 [16:04:35] <ws2k3> Voldenet i already tryed that but it says bcu command not found
1914 [16:04:48] <`Kevin> indeed what is bcu :)
1915 [16:04:51] <Voldenet> well, I've never heard of resetting this without rebooting
1916 [16:04:53] <Voldenet> :P
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1918 [16:05:06] <Voldenet> (maybe playing with modules would help tho)
1919 [16:05:55] <`Kevin> looks like its brocade related (bcu)
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1924 [16:07:32] <`Kevin> yep thats a CLI utility from brocade for managamenet of brocade HBAs
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1927 [16:07:46] <`Kevin> management event
1928 [16:07:47] <`Kevin> even/
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1941 [16:14:14] <Voldenet> ws2k3: if you are seeking to see if the errors are growing, you could just use a perl script
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1943 [16:14:31] <Voldenet> ethtool -S eth0 | perl -ne 'BEGIN { use File::Slurp; $p = int(eval{ read_file("ethstate") }) } $n = $1 if /rx_packets:\s+(\d+)/; END { print(($n - $p)."\n"); overwrite_file("ethstate", $n); }'
1944 [16:14:45] <Voldenet> :>
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1946 [16:15:11] <Voldenet> (it's tested, so i used rx_packets, but feel free to use any field you want)
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1952 [16:17:26] <Voldenet> (you could also parse full-file stats and invoke ethtool from within perl, but that wouldn't be a oneliner probably)
1953 [16:17:49] <Papillon> And some people think that code should have comments
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1955 [16:18:27] <Voldenet> Well, from experience: code that needs commands is either very low level or crap ;)
1956 [16:18:35] <Voldenet> comments, even
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1963 [16:19:17] <Voldenet> because: read_file("ethstate"); # this reads ethstate file
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1966 [16:20:55] <EvanCarroll> anyone on pkg-perl-maintainers?
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1968 [16:21:39] <EvanCarroll> Is there a reason why we can't merge `prename` and `rename`?
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1972 [16:22:23] <EvanCarroll> Is it the perl team that doesn't want to pull from the cpan module so they maintain theiir own utility?
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1975 [16:22:46] <EvanCarroll> Or is the debian team that wants to pull from the cpan-module too?
1976 [16:23:03] <EvanCarroll> the man pages are outright deceptive they both currently have at the bottom the same bug-fix note referencing a previous version of rename.
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1978 [16:23:17] <EvanCarroll> And we know there are at least 500 people googling for this replaced-url
1979 [16:23:35] <Voldenet> :D
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1983 [16:24:40] <Voldenet> hah, I'm using my own tool for it
1984 [16:25:00] <Voldenet> the original version kind of lacked recursion and resolving renaming graph for me
1985 [16:25:07] <Voldenet> obv, perl-written :D
1986 [16:25:21] <petn-randall> EvanCarroll: Looks like there's different version numbers attached. If in doubt, check the NEWS or changelog for the rationale why it got packaged.
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2017 [16:40:55] <boxrick1> I have a bonded interface, on this I have a tagged vlan interface with a gateway
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2020 [16:41:07] <boxrick1> For some reason that gateway does not appear as the default gateway
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2022 [16:41:22] <boxrick1> It is the only "gateway" specified anywhere within the network config
2023 [16:41:31] <boxrick1> Any thoughts?
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2028 [16:43:32] <Voldenet> boxrick1: why not just use route command and adjust it to your will
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2032 [16:45:48] <EvanCarroll> Voldenet: I'd like to add recursion to the tool, however I"m unsure of what to patch
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2036 [16:48:04] <Voldenet> EvanCarroll: hm, for just recursion you'd need to wrap a tool and then use -f to check if something's a file
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2038 [16:48:30] <Voldenet> but then you could make regex work for a file or full path
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2042 [16:48:54] <Voldenet> so... while it's a nice tool it's not exactly universally usable
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2045 [16:50:17] <boxrick1> Voldenet that seems a hack on what should just be working.
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2088 [17:14:48] <soulisson> Hi, Can you help me understand what a filesystem is? For me, it's a set of files and directories and meta-data used to access those. Is that an incorrect definition?
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2091 [17:16:37] <carp_> Hi, if I do apt-get -y install, what does the -y part mean?
2092 [17:16:43] <SwedeMike> soulisson: replaced-url
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2097 [17:17:08] <Brigo> carp_, answering yes to the questions
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2099 [17:17:41] <soulisson> SwedeMike: yes, I read it but couldn't get a clear idea from it. I also read this: replaced-url
2100 [17:17:41] <carp_> Brigo: aha, thanks
2101 [17:17:50] <Brigo> carp_, yw
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2103 [17:18:38] <SwedeMike> soulisson: filesystem is basically an index system that points to where the data actually is on the block device. So a file is generally a name, size etc, and then a list of blocks where the contents of the file can be found.
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2110 [17:19:23] <soulisson> SwedeMike: thanks
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2124 [17:24:59] <Voldenet> soulisson: actually a filesystem can be described as a data structure with metadata, underlying data doesn't explicitly has to even exist
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2129 [17:27:00] <Voldenet> but I'd represent a filesystem as a set of (read, write) methods, everything else is a possible but not must
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2133 [17:28:54] <Voldenet> for example storing lists of files in dirs could be actually stored in one file containing all the mappings (offsets of files and their paths) - not the wisest idea but it'd work
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2139 [17:30:52] <Voldenet> It especially matters when using procfs, which represents some kind of structure in the memory, but in fact it is only a representation mapped for unix
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2144 [17:33:01] <soulisson> Voldenet: thank you for your efforts. I think I'm too stupid to understand it
2145 [17:33:21] <Voldenet> no problem, I'm not sure if I'm even right :D
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2155 [17:34:44] <Voldenet> soulisson: basically though, it depends if you need a 'mostly academic' description or 'what it actually is' description
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2160 [17:37:49] <soulisson> Voldenet: For me the first definition I gave was a practical one. The way those data are stored maps more the definition of "the type of file system" (it's an ext4, ext3 filesystem)
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2162 [17:38:11] <soulisson> but I didn't study operating systems
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2166 [17:39:29] <Voldenet> yeah, pretty much
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2169 [17:40:16] <Voldenet> I did study that and understood mostly none of it, it's all insane babbling ;-)
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2172 [17:42:39] <dTal> < Voldenet> for example storing lists of files in dirs could be actually stored in one file containing all the mappings (offsets of files and their paths) - not the wisest idea but it'd work
2173 [17:43:02] <dTal> that called tar :)
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2176 [17:44:06] <dTal> I caught myself thinking, just now, "hey you could just dd a .tar file to a raw disk and it would totally work"
2177 [17:44:07] <Voldenet> dTal: also FAT ;)
2178 [17:44:25] <dTal> before I remembered that wasn't exactly an original idea :)
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2180 [17:45:04] <Voldenet> also, tar isn't exactly the fastest filesystem on earth ;-)
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2184 [17:45:54] <dTal> it bothers me that archives and filesystems aren't handled the same way
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2187 [17:46:17] <pgrunwald> (repost) Is dmraid (replaced-url
2188 [17:46:18] <Voldenet> they should be, actually hurd had tarfs
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2190 [17:46:36] <Voldenet> (not sure if there's a tarfs for linus)
2191 [17:46:38] <Voldenet> linux*
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2193 [17:46:43] <dTal> there's archivemount
2194 [17:46:49] <dTal> it's flaky and slow
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2197 [17:47:59] <EvanCarroll> Voldenet: I don't think it should work with dirs, just files. It would be simple to make `rename` work recursivel with files. You'd just need to use File::Find, which is a core module in perl.
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2199 [17:48:15] <EvanCarroll> so patching it would be like one line.
2200 [17:50:22] <Voldenet> EvanCarroll: the tool i wrote basically takes path into consideration and renames dirs accordingly: s!/src/plugins/(.*)$!/src/modules/$1! for example
2201 [17:50:27] <Voldenet> basically moves things between folders
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2207 [17:51:04] <Voldenet> therefore... use cases :)
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2214 [17:52:02] <Voldenet> Actually I could add -p (path) or -fn (filename) -t dir/file switches for that, complexity grows
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2218 [17:52:47] <rmasoumvand> hi all
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2221 [17:54:36] <rmasoumvand> does anybody knows how to config apt to run autoremove after each remove automatically?
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2224 [17:55:31] <rmasoumvand> ?
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2226 [17:56:09] <Voldenet> rmasoumvand: it's never fully safe to run autoremove
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2230 [17:56:39] <Voldenet> there are a couple files in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ that prevents autoremoval of things you might want to keep using
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2234 [17:57:02] <rmasoumvand> Voldenet: why?
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2236 [17:58:05] <Voldenet> When some software has broken dependencies but accidentally works (it's not a regular use case and I'm not sure if any file is broken like that, but it could)
2237 [17:58:43] <Voldenet> so when X depends on Y, Z depends on Y but doesn't have this dependency in its deps list (or it's not a mandatory dependency)
2238 [17:59:06] <Voldenet> apt-get install X; apt-get install Z; apt-get remove X; apt-get autoremove;
2239 [17:59:09] <rmasoumvand> i saw that configuration, but my problem is when i try to remove a package using apt remove it just remove only that package and to remove it dependent pwckages i should run apt-get autoremove
2240 [17:59:19] <Voldenet> bam, the feature from Z disappears (or Z stops working depending on its config)
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2243 [17:59:52] <Stummi> that shouldn't happen. Arn't debian packages always built in a clean environment? So missing deps should give you an error
2244 [18:00:05] <Stummi> when building the packages
2245 [18:00:34] <Voldenet> yeah, but it probably wont with optional deps
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2247 [18:01:13] <Voldenet> sure, for libs you want to keep using you would use apt-mark probably, but I never think autoremove is a good idea
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2249 [18:01:25] <Voldenet> autoremove gives you an ability to see if it isn't removing too much
2250 [18:01:27] <Voldenet> ;)
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2252 [18:01:43] <rmasoumvand> ha ha
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2255 [18:03:12] <Voldenet> rmasoumvand: you can just use apt-get autoremove {package}
2256 [18:03:16] <Voldenet> instead of apt-get remove
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2260 [18:04:39] <rmasoumvand> Voldent: yes i know that, but i always use apt rather than apt-get, and apt does not have a autoremove command :(
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2262 [18:06:01] <rmasoumvand> like yum in redhat based distros, when you remove a package it remove it dependent packages automatically, i want do same in debian using apt
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2264 [18:07:42] <jhutchins_wk> rmasoumvand: It depends more on the package and how the maintainers have written the dependencies.
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2267 [18:08:21] <jhutchins_wk> rmasoumvand: If a package is marked as being manually installed (you ran apt install foo), it won't be autoremoved, even it it's a dependency of bar, which you installed separately.
2268 [18:08:21] <rmasoumvand> hmm, so i cant do it?
2269 [18:08:49] <jhutchins_wk> rmasoumvand: If foo was installed automaticaly because you installed bar, it should be removed when you remove bar.
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2272 [18:09:17] <rmasoumvand> thats true
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2274 [18:10:03] <CQ> hello, how can I fix a kernel version so it doesn't get deinstalled? I have a problem with 4.9, 4.8 works fine...
2275 [18:10:16] <EvanCarroll> Voldenet: what does it do if you rename a/a, and b/a with `s/a/b/`; I personally think it gets too complex when you encompass merging and renaming for a simple utility
2276 [18:10:17] <CQ> can I just mark it as manually installed?
2277 [18:10:18] <jhutchins_wk> rmasoumvand: There are also ways to mark packages as manually installed so they don't get removed (I don't know if the reverse is true, probably not).
2278 [18:10:27] <EvanCarroll> Voldenet: but, renaming recursively should certainly be suported.
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2283 [18:11:11] <mtn> CQ: 4.8 won't get removed unless you tell it to be removed. you can have multiple kernels at one time
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2286 [18:11:30] <Voldenet> EvanCarroll: well yeah, it's complex, but maintainably complex, as long as you maintain proper changes and existencies list
2287 [18:11:40] <CQ> mtn I thought it might show up in the autoremove list at some point...
2288 [18:11:49] <mtn> CQ: why would it?
2289 [18:11:55] <Voldenet> and also, YMMV and it's not hard to actually write this on your own, so there's no tool for that :P
2290 [18:12:12] <CQ> mtn not sure, but I thought I saw some older kernels disappearing before
2291 [18:12:20] <CQ> i.e. showing up for autoremove
2292 [18:12:28] <mtn> CQ: I don't think so, but am not sure.
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2294 [18:12:47] <CQ> mtn: ok, I'll keep an eye on it, and if it wants to remove it then ask again :)
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2296 [18:13:06] <mtn> CQ: makes sense to me ;)
2297 [18:13:13] <Voldenet> CQ: just add your own config like /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/01autoremove-kernels
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2303 [18:14:32] <rmasoumvand> Voldenet: is there any resources about apt.conf.d configuration ?
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2314 [18:17:21] <Voldenet> rmasoumvand: it's a regular apt.conf
2315 [18:17:36] <Voldenet> you can man apt.conf to get info about its parts
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2317 [18:18:06] <Voldenet> except it's now separated so each package might add its own apt.conf line without too much hassle
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2323 [18:21:00] <rmasoumvand> Voldenet: thank you
2324 [18:21:12] <funabashi> if i change something kernel paramter, i dont need to reboot to active that correct ?
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2326 [18:21:37] <rmasoumvand> yes, just run sysctl -p
2327 [18:21:55] <han-solo> maybe, modprob
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2329 [18:22:30] <rmasoumvand> !
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2333 [18:23:22] <han-solo> maybe, not
2334 [18:23:35] <Voldenet> funabashi: if you change it with sysctl then maybe, but I'm pretty sure there are parameters that can't be changed on runtime
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2345 [18:28:41] <Voldenet> or with simple echo 1 > /sys or /proc
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2356 [18:34:01] <rmasoumvand> funabashi: do you configure kernel parameters via /proc or through edition sysctl.conf?
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2370 [18:42:35] <funabashi> its a kernel paramter in a conf file
2371 [18:42:44] <funabashi> max_limit=200
2372 [18:43:08] <funabashi> sorry its a general nix question and not spefic to Debian
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2374 [18:44:40] <rmasoumvand> funabashi: what conf file? /etc/sysctl.conf ?
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2376 [18:44:52] <greycat> Google is not giving me any hits on this alleged kernel parameter.
2377 [18:45:09] <greycat> And I do not see it in /etc/sysctl.conf either.
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2379 [18:45:57] <funabashi> greycat: ok if you dont know anything about a kernel paramter then you dont need to write anything about it
2380 [18:46:44] <greycat> *sigh*
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2382 [18:46:52] <greycat> Fuck with me some more. Go on. Try me, bitch.
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2390 [18:50:06] <Voldenet> funabashi: after you modify /etc/sysctl.conf you need /sbin/sysctl -p/etc/sysctl.conf
2391 [18:50:43] <Voldenet> though you could theoretically set up some service that'd use inotify to watch it and reload
2392 [18:50:50] <petn-randall> greycat: Please keep it civil in here. That includes refraining from ad-hominem attacks.
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2394 [18:51:27] <Voldenet> mmm, I do love channels with actual mods doing cleanups ;-)
2395 [18:51:48] <greycat> That is precisely what my threat was intended to imply would happen, Voldenet.
2396 [18:51:55] <rmasoumvand> :P
2397 [18:52:18] <Voldenet> you forgot 'fite me irl (ง'̀-'́)ง'
2398 [18:52:35] <petn-randall> funabashi: What kernel parameter are you trying to set? That parameter doesn't exist.
2399 [18:52:39] <greycat> I've googled his string with linux, solaris, freebsd... nothing. I've grepped sysctl -a for it, and for *variants* of it.
2400 [18:52:46] <greycat> Near as I can tell he is just spouting gibberish.
2401 [18:53:22] <greycat> And then when I *CALL HIM OUT* on the fact that he is spewing gibberish, he has the NERVE to attack me.
2402 [18:54:42] <funabashi> petn-randall: its a general nix question about kernel paramter
2403 [18:54:48] <Voldenet> shh shh, maybe he added this parameter
2404 [18:54:54] <greycat> OK, that is quite sufficient provocation. Enough.
2405 [18:55:01] <petn-randall> greycat: Assume good faith. "if you dont know anything about [it] then you dont need to write anything about it" is not an attack IMO.
2406 [18:55:01] <funabashi> ok
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2410 [18:55:52] <greycat> I don't know WHAT operating system his alleged kernel parameter is for, but it's not Debian. Therefore he is off topic.
2411 [18:56:07] <Voldenet> fair enough
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2417 [18:58:26] <rmasoumvand> does anybody knows estimated release date for debian 9?
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2419 [18:58:35] <greycat> !stretch pool 1
2420 [18:58:35] <dpkg> ! nauticalnexus=2017-04-19 cruncher=2017-04-12 cruncher=2017-02-18 bæbīlen=2017-05-06 TomTomTosch=2017-08-08 greycat=2017-08-15 jellÿ=2017-03-17 themíll=2017-05-01
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2424 [19:00:38] <petn-randall> greycat: Indeed, but people usually don't get silenced for being inaccurate, we have newbies coming here all the time. And unless I missed something earlier in the channel this looks like a normal day-to-day request?
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2431 [19:03:00] <rmasoumvand> :/
2432 [19:03:12] <greycat> His repeated refusal to name his operating system ("general nix"? what the fuck is THAT?) combined with his direct attack on me when I dared to question his misstatements means that he is trolling us. Sorry, petn-randall, but I've been doing this a REALLY long time and I recognize the signs very quickly.
2433 [19:04:14] <SuperTramp83> rmasoumvand, when those in green hit 0, I believe replaced-url
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2438 [19:07:18] <panga> Hi! Please help with apt.conf I need configure http_proxy with user and password
2439 [19:07:56] <Voldenet> not sure if that would work
2440 [19:07:58] <greycat> panga: man apt.conf, search for "pass", probably the second hit.
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2442 [19:08:13] <Voldenet> but try this: Acquire::http::Proxy "replaced-url
2443 [19:08:58] <panga> Voldenet: problem is I have windomain so I need cofigure in the conf file domain
2444 [19:09:18] <greycat> Is the "domain" just part of the username, like 'domain\username' ?
2445 [19:09:33] <greycat> If it's something Windows-specific, it's possible apt may not support it.
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2447 [19:10:37] <Voldenet> regular user:pass might work or domain\user:pass, but that's a long shot
2448 [19:10:39] <panga> greycat: yes it is
2449 [19:10:46] <greycat> TIAS
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2453 [19:11:06] <at0m> lol @ general nix
2454 [19:11:23] <at0m> probably a #samba q then
2455 [19:11:36] <panga> This didn't worked http_proxy=replaced-url
2456 [19:11:36] <at0m> or whatever application
2457 [19:11:46] <Atomic_836> replaced-url
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2459 [19:11:56] <greycat> panga: try the apt.conf line with Acquire:: instead.
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2461 [19:12:09] <Voldenet> Atomic_836: awesome advertisement, does it get you actual users? :>
2462 [19:12:12] <at0m> Atomic_836: lame mobile client sent spam though
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2465 [19:12:38] <panga> greycat: I'll try it
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2469 [19:14:54] <Voldenet> panga: there's a cntlm project I've used in a similar use case
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2474 [19:15:42] <panga> Voldenet: good *looking for info about*
2475 [19:15:51] <Voldenet> except I just needed connectivity to ntlm-protected http server without playing around with all the auth
2476 [19:16:01] <Voldenet> however it might just work for http proxy
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2479 [19:16:49] <panga> Voldenet: I'll check if works
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2484 [19:21:55] <petn-randall> greycat: I disagree. But, you're the oper in here. Your channel, your rules.
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2491 [19:25:38] <BluesKaj> petn-randall: ops don't use that kind of language IME, freenode doesn't approve, they have to set an example
2492 [19:26:22] <panga> petn-randall: Just was a http_proxy question that guys are cool (kidding)
2493 [19:27:09] <greycat> panga's question is perfectly on topic and has got a few (hopefully useful) answers.
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2495 [19:28:01] <Voldenet> actually, I've answered the bad question to
2496 [19:28:09] <Voldenet> because I'm an answerbot
2497 [19:28:12] <panga> greycat: Great \o/
2498 [19:28:39] <panga> Voldenet: CIA reads the debian channel chats?
2499 [19:28:51] <Voldenet> no it doesn't
2500 [19:28:58] <Voldenet> totally not
2501 [19:29:01] <greycat> How else are they going to learn to admin their Debian systems?
2502 [19:29:13] <panga> Voldenet++
2503 [19:29:31] <Voldenet> and even if it does you can't prove it~ :P
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2506 [19:30:05] <panga> True like everything eles
2507 [19:30:21] <panga> Voldenet++ x2
2508 [19:30:45] <Voldenet> don't increment me too much or I might turn negative
2509 [19:30:45] <BluesKaj> those CIA guys jobs must be awful boring if that's the case, panga
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2511 [19:31:25] <BluesKaj> awfully even
2512 [19:31:34] <panga> BluesKaj: Yeah, think on someone reading all day after day IRC chats sounds hard
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2517 [19:32:09] <BluesKaj> low on the totem pole :-)
2518 [19:32:20] <RFleming> Greetings!
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2520 [19:32:24] <RFleming> (and other salutations)
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2523 [19:32:44] <RFleming> I have a question for those smarter than I :)
2524 [19:33:04] <RFleming> I'm using GNOME on stretch. How do I get rid of Xorg and only keep Wayland?
2525 [19:33:27] <BluesKaj> maybe not smarter RFleming just more experience
2526 [19:33:37] <RFleming> Flatterer
2527 [19:34:04] <panga> BluesKaj: Totem is a Debian media player right?
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2529 [19:34:24] <RFleming> I've been running GNOME on Wayland for a bit now, and it seems pretty damned stable to me. I'd like to ditch the regular Xorg and see if stuff breaks :)
2530 [19:35:15] <RFleming> (and when will Wayland be default, and we'll see a 'GNOME on Xorg') :)
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2533 [19:35:34] <BluesKaj> panga: the natives here in Canada have saying about hierarchy/social status ...low on the totm pole is lower in the social structure.
2534 [19:35:52] * RFleming concurs
2535 [19:35:53] <greycat> "low man on the totem pole" is a US saying, too
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2540 [19:36:14] <panga> BluesKaj: Oh got it now, is funny *lol*
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2542 [19:36:36] <greycat> For stretch wayland questions, you might try #debian-next on OFTC instead of here.
2543 [19:37:01] <greycat> Your question is already more advanced on that topic than I am, for sure.
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2545 [19:37:21] <RFleming> panga: a colourful euphemism to describe your (social/work/family) standing. The lower you are the the ground, the less standing you have.
2546 [19:37:43] <jhutchins_wk> Totem pole as rank is actually a white guy thing, but yeah.
2547 [19:37:56] <jhutchins_wk> !wayland
2548 [19:37:56] <dpkg> Wayland is a display server protocol and implementation library, intended as a simpler replacement for the X Window System. Ask me about <weston>. replaced-url
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2550 [19:38:14] <panga> RFleming: So you have to work as IRC reader :P
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2554 [19:39:33] <RFleming> panga: it's more interesting than my Wayland question :)
2555 [19:39:43] <RFleming> jhutchins_wk: I know what Wayland is, but thanks :)
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2564 [19:41:10] <panga> RFleming: *lol* more interesting than my http_proxy question also
2565 [19:41:14] <RFleming> BluesKaj: the funny thing about the expression is that the low man is the most important, while the less experienced do the top (as imperfections aren't as visible)
2566 [19:41:25] <RFleming> what's your proxy question?
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2569 [19:42:11] <jhutchins_wk> RFleming: That was more to see what the status in Debian was. Last I knew it was "no way never" - which of course has changed.
2570 [19:42:11] <greycat> He's trying to use apt through some sort of Windows-based proxy that requires a domain, a username, and a password. He says http_proxy=replaced-url
2571 [19:42:17] <srg> What do I need to send outgoing mail only from a internet server? Can I install postfix but just keep port 25 closed in the firewall?
2572 [19:42:18] <panga> With apt.conf I need configure http_proxy with user and password
2573 [19:42:26] <greycat> err, I forgot the :pass but yeah, that.
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2575 [19:42:38] <panga> But apparently domain is not accepted by apt-get
2576 [19:43:06] <BluesKaj> RFleming: well , thanks for cleraring that up , but the definition I just read said the opposite
2577 [19:43:12] <greycat> srg: you need to be able to make *outgoing* connections to port 25 on other mail servers. You don't need to listen on 25 except possibly on loopback (depending on how your local applications send mail).
2578 [19:43:58] <jhutchins_wk> srg: You configure postfix not to accept inbound connections. No need to firewall it.
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2581 [19:44:40] <Voldenet> srg: you don't actually need a server to send a message, just an smtp client
2582 [19:44:45] <srg> jhutchins_wk: greycat, thanks! I wanted to make sure I don't become a open spam relay or something, heh.
2583 [19:44:49] <jhutchins_wk> panga: You should be able to get the correct syntax for the proxy from your admins. You can set the proxy system-wide and apt should use it.
2584 [19:45:15] <jhutchins_wk> srg: Most packages are configured by default to not listen and not relay.
2585 [19:45:21] <RFleming> greycat, panga what about in /etc/apt/apt.conf with a line like: Acquire::http::Proxy "replaced-url
2586 [19:45:36] <greycat> RFleming: I suggested that. Don't know what he tried, exactly.
2587 [19:46:04] <RFleming> panga does wget --proxy-user "DOMAIN\USERNAME" --proxy-passwd "PASSWORD" URL work?
2588 [19:46:06] <Voldenet> > panga │ This didn't worked http_proxy=replaced-url
2589 [19:46:14] <Voldenet> nuff said
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2592 [19:46:47] <RFleming> http_proxy != Aquire::http:Proxy in /etc/apt/apt.conf
2593 [19:46:59] <greycat> Acquire has a c in it, by the way.
2594 [19:47:15] <RFleming> my bad
2595 [19:47:19] <panga> RFleming: din't worked
2596 [19:47:22] <RFleming> I got it right the first time
2597 [19:47:27] <jhutchins_wk> Acquire::http::Proxy "replaced-url
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2599 [19:47:44] <Voldenet> also, you might need to urlescape a username or password
2600 [19:47:59] <greycat> oh, that's a good suggestion
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2602 [19:48:12] <RFleming> panga: does your password have special characters?
2603 [19:48:18] <RFleming> like !@#$, etc?
2604 [19:48:23] <greycat> maybe try ... %5c instead of the \
2605 [19:48:32] <panga> Acquire::http::Proxy "replaced-url
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2608 [19:48:55] <panga> RFleming: just letters and numbers
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2610 [19:48:59] <panga> trying
2611 [19:49:08] <jhutchins_wk> You can also set the http_proxy env var.
2612 [19:49:23] <greycat> jhutchins_wk: please try to keep up with things that have already been discussed
2613 [19:49:33] <jge> hey all could anyone help me, tried #ubuntu-server but no luck..hoping here can shed some light. I'm setting up an Ubuntu Server, with manual partitioning and LVM. I would like to end up with 80% of disk being used for the OS and the remainder to be free for LVM use so I can resize (grow) vg later on.. I have no idea how to do this without the guided installation. Could anyone point me in the right direction
2614 [19:49:35] <jge> pls.
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2616 [19:49:49] <greycat> jge: we do not support Ubuntu.
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2619 [19:50:41] <Voldenet> jge: consider switching to debian ;)
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2621 [19:51:07] <RFleming> jge: replaced-url
2622 [19:51:29] <RFleming> in which case the father is on the side of the light, and the son the side of the dark.
2623 [19:51:35] <panga> greycat: Acquire::http::Proxy "replaced-url
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2625 [19:51:39] <jge> Voldenet: is a similar set up that much different in debian? i will switch in a heartbeat if it is
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2629 [19:51:55] <Voldenet> I don't know, I've never set it up on ubuntu-server nor I used it
2630 [19:51:58] <Voldenet> ubuntu is for desktops
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2632 [19:52:14] <RFleming> jge: having switched from Ubuntu to Debian... Debian is better as a server
2633 [19:52:32] <jge> I feel the idea of what I'm trying to achieve is similar
2634 [19:52:34] <pgrunwald> DEbian is pure and unsullied by the heritics and non-beliviers who must be shunned and cast out!
2635 [19:52:35] <RFleming> Stable is more stable... and upgrades are painless
2636 [19:52:37] <jhutchins_wk> jge: Why not use Debian? You haven't invested any time in Ubuntu yet, we obviously have better support.
2637 [19:52:57] <Voldenet> I tried using desktop distros on servers and it wasn't pleasurable experience
2638 [19:52:57] <RFleming> why not Zoidberg?
2639 [19:53:01] <Voldenet> many nights of cursing
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2641 [19:53:19] <jhutchins_wk> Voldenet: I ran a server on Mandrake for a while.
2642 [19:53:25] <Voldenet> jhutchins_wk: ouch :D
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2644 [19:53:39] <panga> I think that I'll try as cntlm as was recommended by Voldenet
2645 [19:53:39] <Voldenet> Hell, mandrake, wow, not mandriva
2646 [19:53:39] * RFleming made the mistake to use Gentoo on a server
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2649 [19:53:49] <jhutchins_wk> Voldenet: It was ok when I started, but it got to the point where they didn't even test server packages to make sure they installed.
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2651 [19:53:57] <RFleming> good thing it wasn't an important production server
2652 [19:54:05] <jhutchins_wk> RFleming: Ha! I suffered through that for 2-3 years.
2653 [19:54:25] <RFleming> Gentoo 2004.1
2654 [19:54:29] <RFleming> strong memories
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2656 [19:54:43] <RFleming> ... my psychiatrist says I'm making progress.
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2658 [19:55:11] <Voldenet> gentoo is not that bad, you actually have very, /very/ much control over what you're doing
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2660 [19:55:18] <Voldenet> to the point it's insanity-tier control
2661 [19:55:24] <RFleming> Yeah
2662 [19:55:34] <RFleming> Voldenet: we're talking about Gentoo in 2004
2663 [19:55:48] <Voldenet> :-)
2664 [19:55:57] <RFleming> Try compiling KDE 3 on an AMD Athlon 64 X2
2665 [19:56:02] <RFleming> ... or GCC
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2667 [19:56:04] * RFleming shudders
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2669 [19:56:31] <Voldenet> Hey, i compiled kde 2 on amd k6, it was a nice experience since it was winter
2670 [19:56:41] <RFleming> That was the sole reason I quit using KDE and used Fluxbox instead
2671 [19:56:46] <RFleming> 3 days vs 3 hours
2672 [19:57:08] <RFleming> Yes, ok... a `slight` exaggeration.
2673 [19:57:26] <RFleming> flux took 30 minutes :)
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2676 [19:57:54] <Voldenet> welp, features are the codebase
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2679 [19:58:01] <RFleming> panga: I think your proxy is broken
2680 [19:58:18] <RFleming> or you typo'ed something
2681 [19:58:21] <Voldenet> RFleming: it's a regular windows domain proxy, it's always problematic
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2684 [19:58:45] <RFleming> or something else, because Acquire::http::Proxy "replaced-url
2685 [19:58:48] <panga> RFleming: with yum.conf worked
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2687 [19:59:41] <RFleming> panga: try this for giggles
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2689 [20:00:10] <RFleming> http_proxy=replaced-url
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2691 [20:00:35] <panga> *trying*
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2693 [20:01:03] <RFleming> so if KERBEROS is EXAMPLE but FQDN is EXAMPLE.DOMAIN.COM, then use EXAMPLE.DOMAIN.COM
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2698 [20:02:14] <RFleming> or is it supposed to be HTTP_PROXY ?
2699 [20:02:19] <RFleming> does the case matteR?
2700 [20:02:23] * RFleming can't remember
2701 [20:02:31] <greycat> Yes, it matters. Should be lower case.
2702 [20:02:36] <RFleming> a la ... export HTTP_PROXY
2703 [20:02:59] <panga> RFleming: trying DOMAIN.term
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2708 [20:04:45] <RFleming> greycat: we use transparent proxies
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2710 [20:04:56] <RFleming> makes it painless
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2713 [20:06:36] <RFleming> Any of you have kids?
2714 [20:07:04] <RFleming> My daughter wants to learn Scratch... looking for opinions
2715 [20:07:15] * RFleming cringes at the deluge that's about to happen...
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2717 [20:07:46] <RFleming> I meant to ask that in offtopic
2718 [20:07:51] <RFleming> sorry greycat don't hurt me!
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2720 [20:08:27] <panga> I have a Goddaughter almost daguther
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2723 [20:08:53] <panga> How old is she?
2724 [20:09:00] <RFleming> my kids want to do STEM... am all chuffed
2725 [20:09:03] <RFleming> 10 going on 30
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2730 [20:09:59] <RFleming> panga: let's move this to #debian-offtopic.
2731 [20:10:03] <panga> Hummmm you know I'have installed steam for Linux and didn't have too much games
2732 [20:10:07] <BluesKaj> RFleming: install an OS like Ubuntu , starting from scratch is a waste of time especially if she already knows how to use android or windows
2733 [20:10:12] <RFleming> panga: then you can tell us if that http_proxy worked.
2734 [20:10:37] <RFleming> BluesKaj: Windows? My daughter has been using XFCE on Xubuntu
2735 [20:10:44] <RFleming> (now moving to Debian stretch)
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2737 [20:10:52] <RFleming> and she has a Raspberry Pi 3
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2739 [20:11:09] <RFleming> but she needs cli experience, and wants to learn scratch.
2740 [20:11:44] <panga> RFleming: not working I'm downloading cntml
2741 [20:11:44] <Voldenet> >cli experience >scratch
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2743 [20:12:22] <panga> cntlm !
2744 [20:12:25] <BluesKaj> RFleming: linux from scartch isn't the way to learn the cli either ...having a properly running OS with a terminal to learn commands on is sufficient IMO
2745 [20:12:38] <RFleming> BluesKaj: noooo, not LFS :)
2746 [20:12:40] <RFleming> haha
2747 [20:12:40] <Voldenet> RFleming: erm, scratch is not cli, in fact it's a "scripting language" you can do with mouse only
2748 [20:12:48] <Voldenet> unless it's not the scratch i'm thinking
2749 [20:13:16] <panga> !cntlm
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2751 [20:13:37] <panga> !cntlm: Fast NTLM authentication proxy with tunneling
2752 [20:13:37] <panga> Cntlm is a fast and efficient NTLM proxy, with support for TCP/IP tunneling, authenticated connection caching, ACLs, proper daemon logging and behaviour and much more. It has up to ten times faster responses than similar NTLM proxies, while using by orders or magnitude less RAM and CPU. Manual page contains detailed information.
2753 [20:14:00] <RFleming> !scratch
2754 [20:14:22] <RFleming> ok, Debian doesn't know
2755 [20:14:25] <RFleming> replaced-url
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2758 [20:15:00] <RFleming> Scratch is a free visual programming language developed by the MIT Media Lab.[1] Scratch is used by students, scholars, teachers, and parents to easily create animations, games, etc. It provides a stepping stone to the more advanced world of computer programming. It can also be used for a range of educational and entertainment constructionist purposes from math and science projects, including simulations and visualizations of experiments,
2759 [20:15:00] <RFleming> recording lectures with animated presentations, to social sciences animated stories, and interactive art and music.[2] Viewing the existing projects available on the Scratch website, or modifying and testing any modification without saving it requires no online registration.
2760 [20:15:24] * RFleming is trying to get used to an IRC with bots
2761 [20:15:45] <panga> Scratch is soo cool
2762 [20:15:56] <panga> I didn't know about
2763 [20:15:59] <Voldenet> hm, imvho scratch is like logo
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2765 [20:16:29] <Voldenet> another attempt at making programming appealing for kids, because typing stuff isn't very obvious
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2769 [20:18:14] <RFleming> Voldenet: and your point is?
2770 [20:18:16] <RFleming> :)
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2773 [20:18:59] <Voldenet> when I was at school I did some regular programming (on my own) and some "cool programming method stuff" (proposed by school)
2774 [20:19:11] <Voldenet> and I absolutely hated logo, it was so limited
2775 [20:19:17] <jhutchins_wk> Perhaps this would be more appropriate in #debian-offtopic
2776 [20:19:22] <Voldenet> yeah, probably
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2786 [20:29:13] * rmasoumvand 'test'
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2791 [20:33:34] * RFleming receives 'test'. What next?
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2797 [20:35:39] <RFleming> Soooo... no way to get rid of X and just keep wayland/weston?
2798 [20:36:24] <greycat> You can try #wayland on this network, or #debian-next on OFTC.
2799 [20:36:33] <greycat> Apparently nobody here seems to know.
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2801 [20:37:28] <RFleming> greycat: as usual, you've got the answers
2802 [20:37:40] <RFleming> Will see if wayland knows
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2804 [20:38:09] * RFleming changes mind. OFTC would be better
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2806 [20:38:20] <RFleming> since it isn't a wayland question, but a getting rid of X question
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2832 [20:51:04] <benaiah> I'm trying to turn on two-finger right-click for my trackpad, and I think I've tracked down the setting in xinput that I need to set to enable it, but I an't figure out how to set an xinput property made up of two bools
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2836 [20:52:55] <benaiah> specifically, I want to set this property (on device 12) to "1, 1":
2837 [20:53:03] <benaiah> "libinput Click Method Enabled (296): 1, 0"
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2839 [20:53:46] <benaiah> I've tried "xinput set-prop 12 296 1 1" but that just gives me an error - anyone know how to set that property?
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2855 [21:01:05] <Voldenet> benaiah: is it really two bools or maybe it's just an int?
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2857 [21:01:46] <RFleming> sounds like a job for quantum bits :)
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2860 [21:02:17] <Voldenet> benaiah: maybe this will work: xinput set-prop --type=int --format 8 12 296 1 1
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2870 [21:08:19] <panga> can someone recommend me a debian repository?
2871 [21:08:26] <greycat> Debian.
2872 [21:08:32] <greycat> !jessie sources.list
2873 [21:08:32] <dpkg> A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 8 "Jessie" has three lines: "deb replaced-url
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2889 [21:16:01] <Voldenet> panga: I use some obvious repos from software (moarvm + zef, weechat, emby, node, weechat, nginx) and replaced-url
2890 [21:16:20] <Voldenet> oh, and backports, but that's the official repo
2891 [21:16:25] <missmbob> dont use deb-multimedia if you can help it
2892 [21:16:27] <missmbob> !dmo
2893 [21:16:27] <dpkg> We recommend against using deb-multimedia.org; these unofficial packages are known to cause many hard to debug problems. They are not in Debian either because the they are poor in quality or for legal reasons. See replaced-url
2894 [21:16:38] <Voldenet> missmbob: oh, good to know
2895 [21:16:51] <Voldenet> hm, good alternatives?
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2897 [21:17:45] <greycat> Debian. Why do you need more than what's in Debian.
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2900 [21:18:31] <greycat> Debian is NOT like Ubuntu. You don't need to augment it with a bunch of third party repositories to compensate for its problems.
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2902 [21:19:07] <RFleming> if you want something newer, it should be in backports
2903 [21:19:16] <RFleming> or in testing :)
2904 [21:19:25] <benaiah> Voldenet: that still doesn't work. libinput docs say it's two bools, I'll grab the link real quick
2905 [21:19:52] <jhutchins_wk> Sigh. The only thing wrong with DMM is the guy doesn't subsume himself to the official packagers.
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2907 [21:20:13] <missmbob> i've personally had many hard problems.
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2909 [21:20:33] <jhutchins_wk> There have been issues with dist-upgrades not working properly on dmm packages.
2910 [21:20:37] <RFleming> benaiah: you see the Arch page in libinput?
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2912 [21:21:15] <jhutchins_wk> missmbob: The only problem I ever had was remembering what I'd installed from there, and that's pretty easy to solve.
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2914 [21:21:42] <jhutchins_wk> missmbob: I've used it since you HAD to in order to do multimedia.
2915 [21:21:49] <benaiah> this is the page where I saw the two bools info: replaced-url
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2918 [21:23:45] <panga> Voldenet: Thank you (y)
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2924 [21:25:41] <Voldenet> panga: np :)
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2926 [21:25:52] <panga> :)
2927 [21:25:54] <Voldenet> missmbob: well, I think I'm only using mencoder and ffmpeg from it, "what bad can happen" :D
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2934 [21:28:09] <RFleming> Voldenet: why not the ffmpeg in the debian repos?
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2938 [21:30:07] <RFleming> my testing repo has the same versions as in deb-multimedia
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2941 [21:30:43] <jhutchins_wk> dmm packages are usually compiled with different options and sometimes use codecs with licensing Debian doesn't support.
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2944 [21:31:11] <jhutchins_wk> This is less of an issue that it used to be as there are more & better OS solutions to handling some formats.
2945 [21:31:45] <Voldenet> RFleming: I remember it wasn't compiled with some lib in mind, but I don't even remember which one
2946 [21:31:48] <RFleming> jhutchins_wk: like Squeeze/Wheezy era?
2947 [21:31:59] <RFleming> or Lenny?
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2955 [21:33:06] <jhutchins_wk> RFleming: Since squeeze things in the main release are much better, but if you're into some serious AV work dmm can be better.
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2957 [21:33:23] <jhutchins_wk> RFleming: I go back to etch, so ...
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2959 [21:33:49] <RFleming> yeah... I was going to say... before Lenny, AV was kinda the wild west
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2962 [21:34:42] <jhutchins_wk> I just rebuilt my main workstation to 64b jessie, and I haven't installed any dmm yet. There's one streaming format (mss) that I haven't gotten to work yet, but I'm pretty sure my sources are dead.
2963 [21:35:15] <jhutchins_wk> Then again, it's been too long since I worked on converting my vinyl.
2964 [21:35:32] <Voldenet> I think I probably wanted to use x265, but it probably has those licensing issues (now I see there's backports version though)
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2966 [21:35:43] <RFleming> !stretch
2967 [21:35:43] <dpkg> The release following Debian 8 "Jessie" is codenamed "Stretch" (the rubber octopus in Toy Story 3) and will be Debian 9: replaced-url
2968 [21:35:50] <jhutchins_wk> I used to have to transcode video in mediatomb for my DishNet DVR, but that's two services ago.
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2971 [21:36:57] <RFleming> When is Stretch going to be released? April?
2972 [21:37:14] <greycat> When all the release critical bugs are dead.
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2974 [21:38:23] <missmbob> replaced-url
2975 [21:38:45] <setham> Hello, I have an mpg stream coming from a http url... does any one can advise on how to stream it using crtmpserver ?
2976 [21:39:20] <RFleming> missmbob: thank you. So is it 229 for next release... or the whole 1637?
2977 [21:39:39] <missmbob> 229
2978 [21:39:55] <RFleming> so long as no new bugs are found?
2979 [21:40:18] <missmbob> right
2980 [21:40:19] <greycat> Yes, the number can increase.
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2982 [21:41:00] <RFleming> I'm assuming a release critical bug is different from a bug that is say cosmetic?
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2984 [21:41:05] <RFleming> (like typos)
2985 [21:41:05] <greycat> yes
2986 [21:41:31] <greycat> !rc
2987 [21:41:31] <dpkg> [rc] <Release-Critical>, or Release Candidate, or "run commands": a filename extension convention used in Unix configuration files (e.g. .muttrc, .screenrc, .vimrc).
2988 [21:41:37] <greycat> !release-critical
2989 [21:41:38] <dpkg> Release-Critical bugs are Debian bugs with critical, grave or serious severities, preventing the next release of Debian. See the graph at replaced-url
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2991 [21:41:52] <RFleming> gotcha
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2994 [21:42:30] <RFleming> Please keep in mind I'm coming from Ubuntu where (it seems) they release whether there are bugs or not
2995 [21:42:40] <missmbob> they do
2996 [21:42:41] <RFleming> this is my first Debian release :)
2997 [21:43:22] <RFleming> I was using non-LTS releases for ages... finally dawned on me to just use Debian Testing instead
2998 [21:43:36] <RFleming> since they're the same thing (without the Ubuntu junk)
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3000 [21:44:30] <RFleming> that should be the same when you strip out the Ubuntu junk.
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3005 [21:45:21] <abff> does anyone have a link to explain what this GTK3 stuff is all about
3006 [21:46:17] <RFleming> abff: replaced-url
3007 [21:46:17] <Voldenet> hmm, gtk3 stuff?
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3009 [21:46:36] <abff> :P sweet I was in the right place
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3011 [21:46:47] <k000> how to change the locale on debian?
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3013 [21:46:55] <Voldenet> !locale
3014 [21:46:56] <dpkg> A locale is a set of rules for presenting information to humans according to local conventions (date format, thousands separators, language, etc.). Ask me about <locales> to establish on a Debian system. replaced-url
3015 [21:47:02] <RFleming> abff: or perhaps you'd prefer a Reddit ELI5?
3016 [21:47:03] <Voldenet> !locales
3017 [21:47:03] <greycat> The other thing you need to know about RC bugs is that if an RC bug isn't fixed within the limits of somebody's patience, the package will simply be *removed* from stretch instead.
3018 [21:47:03] <dpkg> Use 'dpkg-reconfigure locales' to get it up and running. This generates <locale> definitions and also edits /etc/default/locale which sets the $LANG environment variable at login time. Use "LANG=C command" to change the output language for a one off command, ask me about <localised errors>. See also <mac locales>. replaced-url
3019 [21:47:15] <Voldenet> that's quite neat :)
3020 [21:47:36] <missmbob> dpkg-reconfigure locales then log out and back in
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3022 [21:48:15] <RFleming> Well hold on Debian... :) the RC graph shows there were RC bugs when Jessie was released, or is that indicative that the packages were removed instead? replaced-url
3023 [21:48:16] <abff> RFleming: I was just curious to know why there are some software devs scrambling to make their stuff compliant. I know xfce is trying to do that right now, but I don't see why their desktop system needs to fit into that. I am seeing the picture a little bit better though
3024 [21:48:48] <RFleming> abff: the better analogy would be who GTK was built for.
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3026 [21:49:31] <abff> RFleming people building GUIs for their programs would use GTK
3027 [21:49:34] <RFleming> Like .NET framework on Microsoft, GNOME uses GTK as their underpinning libraries. While they update their libraries, other developers need to upgrade as well... as GTK2 won't be supported forever.
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3031 [21:50:11] <Voldenet> RFleming: except in .net you don't always have to recompile when you switch versions
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3033 [21:50:30] <RFleming> Voldenet: meh
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3035 [21:50:42] <abff> Voldenet it kind of sounds like GTK3 is a big leap they haven't made in a long time
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3038 [21:52:42] <Voldenet> hm, a big leap... GTK2 was used for 9 years
3039 [21:52:45] <RFleming> abff: considering it's been at least 6 years since GTK3 was released
3040 [21:52:50] <RFleming> or in development
3041 [21:53:00] <Voldenet> but then gtk3 is known for 5-6 years now
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3043 [21:53:11] <Voldenet> so it's not that big of a leap
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3046 [21:54:06] <Voldenet> and gtk3 isn't that different
3047 [21:54:54] <RFleming> I think the primary difference is that there are no more fixes to GTK2, or performance upgrades
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3051 [21:55:23] <RFleming> so if you want a 'snappy' app, you use the new stuff, not the old.
3052 [21:55:27] <abff> ah so for example, xfce, is now a full transfer to gtk3
3053 [21:55:29] <Voldenet> I think there are fixes (security fixes will probably be made)
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3057 [21:56:04] <Voldenet> it'd be great if C++ actually got a support for UIs in stdlib
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3059 [21:56:07] <Voldenet> like it had with threading
3060 [21:56:53] <mandeep> with C++ wouldnt you use Qt anyway?
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3062 [21:58:14] <Voldenet> Why not GTK or MFC?
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3064 [21:58:44] <RFleming> VALA!
3065 [21:58:48] <RFleming> C#
3066 [21:58:50] <RFleming> :)
3067 [21:59:10] <Voldenet> you have CButton, GtkButton and QPushButton
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3069 [21:59:25] <Voldenet> so... it's obvious there's a common subset for common gui patterns
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3074 [21:59:51] <RFleming> That's the GNU way... 10 hammers for each nail
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3076 [22:00:41] <dTal> not really sure why Vala/Genie aren't more popular
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3078 [22:02:08] <RFleming> dTal: it's a good question... but last I checked... Vala was created by GNOME, yet they don't champion it themselves... preferring C instead for their core projects
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3080 [22:02:31] <Voldenet> I don't dislike having 10 hammers for each nail, but I'd like some standard for hammer materials
3081 [22:02:47] <Voldenet> so I didn't have to demagnetise my nail before using one of hammers
3082 [22:02:53] <abff> C is a pretty standard hammer
3083 [22:02:59] <dTal> standardly bad
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3085 [22:03:25] <RFleming> Voldenet: the crux of the issue. Everyone has their own opinion (and rightly entitled to have it), but there is no consensus... just flame wars.
3086 [22:03:35] <dTal> don't get me wrong, I love it, in the same way I love BASIC with all the GOTOs
3087 [22:03:45] <Voldenet> RFleming: yet C++ can figure out some consensus for some time now
3088 [22:03:53] <RFleming> Dictatorial companies like Apple and Microsoft eliminate the choice altogether, and that makes them stronger (in this instance)
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3091 [22:04:00] <dTal> and, like BASIC with all the gotos, it belongs at best in the classroom and at worst in the history bin
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3094 [22:04:18] <Voldenet> because it couldn't compete with modern languages without serious updates
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3096 [22:04:45] <Voldenet> RFleming: yeah, C# is getting all the cool stuff - opinionated as hell, sure, but it's a progress
3097 [22:04:47] <RFleming> more like, couldn't agree which way to go... and got usurped
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3100 [22:05:20] <RFleming> Now Google is stepping into the foray with Go and Dart
3101 [22:05:27] <Voldenet> dTal: C has some great problems with its memory management model
3102 [22:05:31] <dTal> I think we should all use Scheme, no exceptions
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3104 [22:05:37] <greycat> !start a language war
3105 [22:05:37] <dpkg> Pascal is faster than Ruby
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3109 [22:05:47] <abff> Voldenet what do you mean by modern languages in this context? when I think 'modern' I think 'inefficient and easy to write' and 'impossible to reduce'
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3111 [22:05:48] <dTal> if you want different syntax, write a parser
3112 [22:05:49] <mandeep> haha
3113 [22:05:50] <RFleming> Perl is dead! :)
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3115 [22:06:18] <abff> RFleming I can hear your lisp
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3121 [22:06:52] <RFleming> too many hammers, not enough identifiable nails
3122 [22:06:56] <Voldenet> abff: people don't like reinventing the wheel
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3124 [22:07:09] <Voldenet> and like the languages that do the stuff for them
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3128 [22:07:54] <RFleming> The day of the linux desktop will never arrive.
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3130 [22:08:01] <abff> Voldenet well that's a horrible analogy, if C is the wheel then we're doomed, C is more like the engine. Assembly is the wheel.
3131 [22:08:12] <Voldenet> like rust checks objects lifetimes statically, golang has simplified error returning
3132 [22:09:00] <Voldenet> abff: hmm, assembly is more like a splinter
3133 [22:09:37] <Voldenet> on the first glance you have no idea what it does or why is it even there
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3135 [22:09:49] <Voldenet> you have to look at 50 other splinters to figure out
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3144 [22:11:48] <RFleming> How do you msg dpkg without flooding the channel with responses?
3145 [22:11:57] <abff> query it
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3147 [22:12:21] <RFleming> Again, I face-palm
3148 [22:12:31] <abff> should have had a v8?
3149 [22:12:37] <greycat> or just /msg dpkg whatever
3150 [22:12:39] <RFleming> the answer was in my question /msg dkpg <query>... duh
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3163 [22:20:01] <RFleming> How do I check what version of what package is in a repository
3164 [22:20:41] <greycat> RFleming: apt-cache policy pkgname
3165 [22:20:44] <RFleming> for instance, with the release of GNOME 3.24... I'd like to check sid for it's availability (whenever that is)
3166 [22:20:56] <greycat> Are you *tracking* sid?
3167 [22:21:11] <RFleming> I've got a VM that's running sid
3168 [22:21:17] <greycat> OK, then you can do it in that VM.
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3172 [22:26:55] <\\Mr_C\\> how can i get this to work /home/tcagame/Masterserver_perl/util/masterserver.pl at bootup?
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3174 [22:27:15] <greycat> What does it do?
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3177 [22:27:41] <Voldenet> hm, probably set up some kind of server, it looks like it
3178 [22:27:43] <greycat> (Briefly. Is it a daemon? Is it a GUI app?)
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3183 [22:28:44] <RFleming> if it's a server... make a simple systemd service \\Mr_C\\
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3185 [22:28:59] <Voldenet> \\Mr_C\\: if it's just a cli app then make a unit out of it
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3187 [22:29:39] <RFleming> Voldenet: is Unit another name for a systemd service?
3188 [22:29:40] <Voldenet> if it needs to be ran as the user tcagame, then systemd --user probably would be of help
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3190 [22:30:00] <greycat> RFleming: yes
3191 [22:30:08] <RFleming> Huh... TIL
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3193 [22:30:28] <RFleming> greycat: is there some sort of Debian terminology document? :)
3194 [22:30:29] <\\Mr_C\\> how?
3195 [22:30:31] <\\Mr_C\\> please
3196 [22:30:33] <RFleming> I think I need a refresher
3197 [22:30:36] <Voldenet> RFleming: it's systemd terminology :)
3198 [22:30:40] <\\Mr_C\\> just run at bootup
3199 [22:30:46] <RFleming> \\Mr_C\\: replaced-url
3200 [22:30:52] <RFleming> Google has all answers, if you know what to type
3201 [22:31:08] <greycat> Mr_C: Is it a daemon?
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3203 [22:31:14] <\\Mr_C\\> 127.0.0.1 google.com
3204 [22:31:21] <\\Mr_C\\> its a pearl scipt
3205 [22:31:24] <dTal> RFleming: just type "how to join IRC"
3206 [22:31:25] <greycat> oh, you are one oF THOSE. /ignore time
3207 [22:32:05] <dTal> one of whats?
3208 [22:32:08] <RFleming> dTal: because I was curious... Google gives me a Pidgin tutorial from Wikipedia
3209 [22:32:09] <\\Mr_C\\> sorry i bother you all
3210 [22:32:35] <RFleming> \\Mr_C\\: replaced-url
3211 [22:32:37] <greycat> dTal: "I refuse to use google so I will just ask YOU ALL to TELL ME EVERYTHING"
3212 [22:32:41] <sypher> \\Mr_C\\: If you're snotty about which search engine you use, you're annoying. If you feel the need to advertise the fact instead of understanding that we mean "use whatever search engine you want," we're going to ignore you completely.
3213 [22:32:42] <Voldenet> RFleming: wow i thought it'd show you a set of commands to run ;P
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3216 [22:32:52] <Voldenet> netcat {irc server} {irc port}
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3218 [22:33:49] <RFleming> Voldenet: Google knows everything! It must know I need my hand held, and gave me pidgin, instead of irssi or weechat
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3220 [22:35:03] <abff> RFleming: if you have a server you really like check out quassel, combines a bouncer-core with a client you can run on GNU/Linux, windows, mac os, android
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3222 [22:35:34] <abff> the bouncer-core will record everything into a database and forward everything you missed to whichever client you are using
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3224 [22:35:48] <eh1> how to create a folder that contains slash / in the name via mkdir?
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3226 [22:36:08] <Voldenet> eh1: mkdir folder\/one I think
3227 [22:36:11] <greycat> eh1: You cannot. / is a separator between directory path components.
3228 [22:36:35] <greycat> eh1: Perhaps you're asking the wrong question and what you actually WANT is mkdir -p deep/nested/dir
3229 [22:36:38] <Voldenet> hm, now I tried it you can't do that
3230 [22:36:43] <eh1> greycat: no
3231 [22:36:48] <greycat> eh1: Then what do you want?
3232 [22:37:00] <eh1> greycat: for example a folder of the name - things/stuff
3233 [22:37:02] <RFleming> eh1: you cannot have a / in the name
3234 [22:37:07] <abff> ^
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3236 [22:37:11] <greycat> That would be two directories, one inside the other.
3237 [22:37:18] <eh1> yeah i got you :)
3238 [22:37:51] <RFleming> the only other character you can't use is the ASCII character that represents NUL
3239 [22:38:18] <RFleming> (which is ASCII code 00)
3240 [22:38:30] <RFleming> not like that comes up often in naming files :)
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3242 [22:38:36] <eh1> sure
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3244 [22:39:10] <Voldenet> eh1: I just tried the syscall, you just can't have that, there's no even hacky way
3245 [22:39:18] <RFleming> Nope
3246 [22:39:19] <dTal> how can anyone use NUL for anything, when C uses it as a string terminator and everything's written in C?
3247 [22:39:27] <RFleming> NULL and / are the two exceptions. Period.
3248 [22:39:31] <abff> unless your filesystem is insanely broken
3249 [22:39:36] <greycat> Not everything is written in C, but I get your point.
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3251 [22:39:43] <greycat> Everything at the OS level is C.
3252 [22:40:00] <RFleming> abff: AKA ReiserFS?
3253 [22:40:01] <Voldenet> not every system stores strings as null-terminated
3254 [22:40:04] <RFleming> :)
3255 [22:40:11] <greycat> very unix-derived system does
3256 [22:40:14] <greycat> every
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3258 [22:40:22] <Voldenet> yeah, pretty much
3259 [22:40:56] <RFleming> but really, why would you want/need to use NULL in a filename?
3260 [22:41:04] <dTal> seems like to handle NUL at all, you'd have to ignore all C's string routines and write your own
3261 [22:41:09] <greycat> There are languages that can store NUL in strings (perl, tcl, probably python?) but these operate in a different *realm* from the underlying OS stuff like files and directories and system calls
3262 [22:41:13] <dTal> which, to be honest, is probably not a bad shout
3263 [22:41:15] <abff> RFleming I wouldn't know lol just stick to what works ext3 and some FAT32 for specific applications (my wii for example)
3264 [22:41:25] <RFleming> heh
3265 [22:41:48] <RFleming> abff: if you want to give a windows user a real hard time... transfer a .file over to their computer with a scandalous name...
3266 [22:41:57] <RFleming> Windows cannot do ANYTHING with a .file
3267 [22:42:00] <abff> RFleming using null as a dir name // seems like the network already uses that
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3269 [22:42:30] <RFleming> .Secret-Pictures-Not-To-Share
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3272 [22:42:41] <RFleming> can't delete it, can't rename it
3273 [22:42:43] <RFleming> hehe
3274 [22:43:02] <RFleming> works with .directories as well
3275 [22:43:14] <abff> not even from CMD?
3276 [22:43:19] <RFleming> abff: nope
3277 [22:43:53] <abff> are we talking like windows NT or even windows 10
3278 [22:43:54] <RFleming> you get file not found errors, because Windows uses the . as an extension separator. If there is nothing on the left side of ., it errors out :)
3279 [22:44:05] <abff> haha
3280 [22:44:07] <RFleming> works in Windows 8.1
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3282 [22:44:13] <RFleming> or doesn't work
3283 [22:44:25] <RFleming> it's like Windows treats the left side as NUL and craps out
3284 [22:44:30] <abff> wait how do they hide directories
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3286 [22:44:38] <RFleming> attributes
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3288 [22:44:44] <Voldenet> actually, 0x00-0x1F could all be banned from the dirname for all I care
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3292 [22:45:28] <RFleming> abff: Windows filesystems support attributes that have two levels of files/folders. Hidden and System
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3294 [22:45:47] <RFleming> you can hide a folder, or hide/system a folder... but in the end, you can still see them if you reveal them in options
3295 [22:46:08] <abff> ls -lA <_<
3296 [22:46:23] <RFleming> more complicated in Windows. It tries to 'protect' the user :)
3297 [22:46:23] <greycat> Voldenet: The fact that *only* / and NUL are banned from filenames is a problem we have to work around in #bash *all* the time.
3298 [22:46:39] <RFleming> greycat: gives me nightmares
3299 [22:46:44] <greycat> Life would have been a shitload easier if filenames could not contain newlines, but that ship has sailed.
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3301 [22:47:00] <abff> so wait whats the // all about then
3302 [22:47:11] <abff> protocol//uri
3303 [22:47:18] <greycat> that is a string.
3304 [22:47:21] <greycat> that is not a filename.
3305 [22:47:24] <RFleming> abff: that isn't a filename or directory
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3307 [22:47:42] <abff> just a flag "hey we're leaving the file system
3308 [22:47:57] <RFleming> abff: otherwise you must be referring to escaping with \
3309 [22:48:05] <dTal> greycat: I think that's the wrong solution to the problem
3310 [22:48:08] <RFleming> like ls My\ Super\ Folder
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3312 [22:48:28] <dTal> the problem is the unixy "write your own ad hoc parser every time" attitude
3313 [22:48:35] <abff> using spaces in directories is so frustrating
3314 [22:48:36] <greycat> err.. what.
3315 [22:48:36] <Voldenet> greycat: having a newline is perfectly fine, advanced multibyte unicode would be a real horror without bash completion
3316 [22:48:37] <RFleming> or ls like\\potatos
3317 [22:49:02] <greycat> Voldenet: I'm not talking about interactive bash. I'm talking about scripts. Written by idiots. Scripts that try to use xargs *horror*
3318 [22:49:25] <Voldenet> oh
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3320 [22:49:38] <dTal> I should be able to programmatically manipulate a filename, or any string, regardless of its contents
3321 [22:49:47] <greycat> Or that try to uise $(find ...) or $(ls ...)
3322 [22:49:51] <Voldenet> Hm, perl solves most problems more elegantly than classical bash scripts
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3324 [22:49:59] <abff> greycat so you would rather someone who writes a script with options and inputs to just be coded and compiled over a script. Or preferably written in it's own language like lua or perl or whateever
3325 [22:50:05] <abff> python
3326 [22:50:06] <Voldenet> + it's a standard too
3327 [22:50:17] <greycat> abff: I have no idea what you're talking about. I'm talking about #bash. Bash scripts. Real life.
3328 [22:50:20] <greycat> Have fun. I'm out.
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3333 [22:50:44] <dTal> seems a little butthurt...
3334 [22:51:02] <abff> Bash is not the only scripting language. . .
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3336 [22:51:14] <eh1> ++
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3338 [22:51:53] <RFleming> Voldenet: isn't perl dead?
3339 [22:52:31] <eh1> kind of
3340 [22:52:43] <Voldenet> RFleming: <empty laugh>
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3342 [22:52:47] <RFleming> Perl 6 hasn't been released yet has it?
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3344 [22:53:05] <Voldenet> no, perl is widely used by sysadmins, perl6 has moarvm... and it's mostly production read
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3347 [22:53:13] <RFleming> I think Half-Life 3 has a greater chance for release than Perl 6
3348 [22:53:14] <Voldenet> or rather, I use perl6 and it works fairly well
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3350 [22:53:33] <sypher> !offtopic
3351 [22:53:34] <dpkg> #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day.
3352 [22:53:41] <abff> FINE
3353 [22:54:08] <sypher> Not trying to be a jerk, just making sure this channel serves its intended function.
3354 [22:54:17] <abff> anyone need some help with their GNU/Linux Debian distribution?
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3356 [22:55:03] * RFleming has been waiting for hours to find out if I can uninstall Xorg and just leave Wayland on my Stretch box
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3358 [22:55:11] <RFleming> :D
3359 [22:55:19] <RFleming> but seriously.
3360 [22:55:25] <sypher> RFleming: Have you asked in #debian-next on OFTC?
3361 [22:55:34] <RFleming> that's on my todo list when I get home
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3363 [22:56:06] <RFleming> greycat suggested #wayland here or #debian-next on OTFC, but I nixed the #wayland channel as it isn't a wayland question
3364 [22:56:07] <abff> RFleming switching to wayland, scary
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3367 [22:56:24] <RFleming> abff: works fine for everything I've been doing
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3369 [22:56:38] <RFleming> abff: is the default window manager on Fedora 24
3370 [22:56:45] <sypher> Hasn't F... that.
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3372 [22:57:09] <psychoticwarrior> wida widaw
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3374 [22:57:27] <eh1> du quoi tu parles ?
3375 [22:57:34] <eh1> de quoi tu parles ?
3376 [22:57:44] <centrx> !fr
3377 [22:57:44] <dpkg> Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debianfr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debianfr.
3378 [22:57:49] <psychoticwarrior> speak english
3379 [22:57:51] <dTal> polly voo franzie?
3380 [22:57:58] <RFleming> sypher: was that self-censorship?
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3384 [22:58:53] <teraflops> RFleming: it's not, please think before talking nonsense
3385 [22:58:58] <abff> hey friends get dans le truck nous allons au movies (I feel sorry for the people of Quebec in situations like these)
3386 [22:59:09] <RFleming> teraflops: what nonsense am I speaking?
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3388 [22:59:15] <teraflops> RFleming: all of it
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3390 [22:59:23] <bin_bash> wayland isn't a window manager
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3393 [22:59:50] <teraflops> RFleming: from having only wayland instead xorg to wayland is the default wm in fedor
3394 [22:59:52] <eh1> dTal: ah ouias ?
3395 [22:59:52] <teraflops> a*
3396 [22:59:57] <eh1> pardon / sorry
3397 [23:00:01] <abff> bin_bash: go on
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3399 [23:00:10] * RFleming sighs.. system yeesh
3400 [23:00:15] <bin_bash> abff: it's a display server
3401 [23:00:21] <bin_bash> openbox is a window manager
3402 [23:00:29] <bin_bash> that runs on X11, a display server
3403 [23:00:42] <RFleming> I meant windows system
3404 [23:00:55] <teraflops> that's what we get when the offtopic is out of control
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3407 [23:01:10] <abff> So my display manager runs a server which I connect to with a display client, which in turn runs a window manager
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3410 [23:01:28] <RFleming> My apologies to the 1,646 other persons with Debian questions that I'm interrupting
3411 [23:01:31] <RFleming> please excuse me.
3412 [23:01:39] <missmbob> !chat
3413 [23:01:39] <dpkg> This is not a chat channel, this is a Debian user support channel. Unless you have a Debian support question, please chat elsewhere, like #moocows on irc.oftc.net or ##chat on irc.freenode.net.
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3415 [23:01:51] <missmbob> #debian-offtopic if you must
3416 [23:02:08] <abff> cmon RFleming, we're already there
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3418 [23:03:23] <eh1> will grsec from the official jessie backports work with kvm + qemu ?
3419 [23:03:31] <eh1> I mean OVH VPS server
3420 [23:03:39] <sypher> Oh god, OVH.
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3422 [23:04:45] <eh1> why?
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3433 [23:08:20] <psychoticwarrior> hows everybody doing
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3436 [23:09:16] <dTal> we're doing ontopically
3437 [23:09:26] <psychoticwarrior> nice, thats good
3438 [23:09:39] <abff> welcome to #debian, do you require any assistance with your GNU/Linux debian distribution?
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3441 [23:09:58] <psychoticwarrior> not right now but in the future probably
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3444 [23:11:39] <eh1> freeneedle
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3446 [23:12:29] <LennyKitty> two things, 1. my second monitor via HDMI isnt being reported as detected in cinnamons display settings however it is currently a mirror disply of the laptop monitor 2. cinnamon is booting in software rendering mode
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3450 [23:14:02] <LennyKitty> :c
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3455 [23:15:42] <LennyKitty> im using intel graphics
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3459 [23:16:01] <abff> thats all?
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3461 [23:16:38] <LennyKitty> yes?
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3464 [23:17:16] <abff> well I can't reproduce your problem but I'll keep researching
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3466 [23:18:20] <abff> what happens when you run (xrandr)
3467 [23:18:28] <abff> does it show the hdmi1 connected
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3474 [23:19:27] <LennyKitty> abff, sec
3475 [23:19:43] <LennyKitty> abff, no
3476 [23:19:51] <LennyKitty> but it is currently being a mirror
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3480 [23:21:36] <abff> try this
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3482 [23:21:55] <abff> lspci | grep VGA
3483 [23:22:01] <abff> what do you get
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3490 [23:23:48] <teraflops> abff: ask him if he does startx or a DM, then ask him to paste the xorg logs to a sane pastebin site (that excludes pastebin.org)
3491 [23:24:21] <LennyKitty> abff, sec
3492 [23:24:33] <Dirkson> Hey all. My debian freezes whenever it tries to play around with the nvidia driver. Can't even get it into single user mode. Passing 'nopci' via grub just causes a kernel panic. How do I get the thing booted enough to tinker with it?
3493 [23:25:12] <LennyKitty> abff, VGA compadible controller intel corp device 1916 rev 7
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3499 [23:26:44] <abff> irssi
3500 [23:27:01] <abff> quit
3501 [23:27:03] <abff> exit
3502 [23:27:06] <abff> logout
3503 [23:27:07] <LennyKitty> ?
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3507 [23:27:11] <abff> logout
3508 [23:27:19] <LennyKitty> uhm
3509 [23:27:46] <Dirkson> abff: At a guess, prepend your commants with a / : /exit
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3513 [23:30:17] <LennyKitty> :(
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3515 [23:30:50] <bin_bash> lol
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3517 [23:32:06] <teraflops> he tried hard
3518 [23:32:23] <teraflops> or she or they or ei
3519 [23:32:30] <LennyKitty> i really need help
3520 [23:32:31] <LennyKitty> fuckkk
3521 [23:32:36] <teraflops> LennyKitty: paste xorg log
3522 [23:32:42] <LennyKitty> teraflops, ok
3523 [23:33:49] <LennyKitty> teraflops, replaced-url
3524 [23:34:48] <teraflops> LennyKitty: also that intel gpu is old as hell
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3527 [23:35:53] <bin_bash> LennyKitty: whats the problem
3528 [23:36:09] <eh1> l'anglais
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3530 [23:36:27] <LennyKitty> two things, 1. my second monitor via HDMI isnt being reported as detected in cinnamons display settings however it is currently a mirror disply of the laptop monitor 2. cinnamon is booting in software rendering mode
3531 [23:36:30] <LennyKitty> intel graphics
3532 [23:37:10] <bin_bash> are you using arandr, LennyKitty
3533 [23:37:31] <teraflops> LennyKitty: yeah but that gpu is a ~10 yo intel gpu
3534 [23:37:45] <LennyKitty> uhm
3535 [23:37:48] <LennyKitty> it shouldnt be
3536 [23:37:56] <LennyKitty> replaced-url
3537 [23:37:57] <bin_bash> arandr is a program
3538 [23:38:00] <teraflops> LennyKitty: it's using vesa, go find out if you can run cinnamon on it
3539 [23:38:03] <LennyKitty> its a new laptop
3540 [23:38:09] <LennyKitty> I just bought it
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3543 [23:38:22] <bin_bash> install it, run it, set your monitors up
3544 [23:38:39] <LennyKitty> theres no way the graphics card is being reported right
3545 [23:38:41] <LennyKitty> this is a i3
3546 [23:38:57] <abff> HAHA I was wondering if that was happening in the background. I kinda botched my xfce
3547 [23:39:00] <teraflops> LennyKitty: then the info you provided is too vague
3548 [23:39:26] <LennyKitty> teraflops, replaced-url
3549 [23:39:30] <teraflops> better
3550 [23:39:32] <LennyKitty> Intel® HD Graphics 520
3551 [23:39:48] <teraflops> LennyKitty: jessie?
3552 [23:39:59] <LennyKitty> fresh install, so yah
3553 [23:40:24] <LennyKitty> bin_bash, ok so
3554 [23:40:27] <LennyKitty> im in arandr
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3556 [23:40:34] <LennyKitty> both sxcreens are being reported as laptop
3557 [23:40:38] <bin_bash> ok it should show both monitors there
3558 [23:40:41] <teraflops> bin_bash: is using VESA driver…
3559 [23:40:44] <bin_bash> oh
3560 [23:40:45] <bin_bash> well
3561 [23:40:49] <bin_bash> youre using the wrong driver
3562 [23:41:05] <LennyKitty> how le fix
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3564 [23:41:50] <fortyseven> Is Netflix supposed to work on chromium?
3565 [23:42:08] <teraflops> fortyseven: not in debian
3566 [23:42:18] <missmbob> works in chrome
3567 [23:42:20] <teraflops> fortyseven: use chrome
3568 [23:42:26] <bin_bash> LennyKitty: install xserver-xorg-video-intel
3569 [23:42:30] <LennyKitty> done that
3570 [23:42:34] <teraflops> ,v xserver-xorg-video-intel
3571 [23:42:35] <judd> Package: xserver-xorg-video-intel on amd64 -- wheezy: 2:2.19.0-6; wheezy-backports: 2:2.21.15-2~bpo70+1; jessie: 2:2.21.15-2+b2; jessie-backports: 2:2.99.917+git20161206-1~bpo8+1; stretch: 2:2.99.917+git20161206-1; sid: 2:2.99.917+git20161206-1
3572 [23:42:39] <bin_bash> ive got the uh whats it called
3573 [23:42:44] <LennyKitty> I installed ti
3574 [23:42:45] <bin_bash> intel hd 3000 or something
3575 [23:43:02] <teraflops> LennyKitty: perhaps try form backports and a newer kernel too
3576 [23:43:11] <bin_bash> im also on arch on my laptop, but i just checked and that's the correct debian package
3577 [23:43:16] <LennyKitty> how do I install from backports?
3578 [23:43:24] <LennyKitty> or you know what
3579 [23:43:28] <fortyseven> what about replaced-url
3580 [23:43:30] <missmbob> !tell LennyKitty about jessie-backports
3581 [23:43:31] <LennyKitty> just upgrade the system to unstable
3582 [23:43:33] <LennyKitty> :p
3583 [23:43:41] <bin_bash> that might or might not work lol
3584 [23:43:42] <teraflops> LennyKitty: ugh
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3586 [23:44:03] <teraflops> LennyKitty: just install the driver and the kernel from backports…
3587 [23:44:28] <teraflops> fortyseven: oh, I wasnt aware of that package
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3590 [23:44:42] <teraflops> fortyseven: try is and see
3591 [23:44:45] <teraflops> it*
3592 [23:44:50] <LennyKitty> teraflops, but the NEW SOFTWARE!
3593 [23:44:51] <LennyKitty> but fine
3594 [23:44:54] <LennyKitty> ill obey for now
3595 [23:44:58] <bin_bash> get it working on jessie first
3596 [23:45:10] <LennyKitty> where is the sources file again
3597 [23:45:20] <teraflops> LennyKitty: eh you was about to dist-upgate to sith a minute ago…
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3599 [23:46:05] <LennyKitty> NEW SOFTWAREEEEE
3600 [23:46:11] <teraflops> LennyKitty: stretch is frozen…
3601 [23:46:24] <teraflops> good times for running testing
3602 [23:46:31] <LennyKitty> k found it
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3608 [23:47:36] <LennyKitty> k so
3609 [23:47:40] <LennyKitty> ,v linux
3610 [23:47:41] <judd> No package named 'linux' was found in amd64.
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3612 [23:47:45] <LennyKitty> :(
3613 [23:47:56] <LennyKitty> what is a package for a kernel
3614 [23:48:03] <mutante> linux-image
3615 [23:48:11] <teraflops> idk the factoid
3616 [23:48:14] <teraflops> ,v kernel
3617 [23:48:15] <judd> No package named 'kernel' was found in amd64.
3618 [23:48:18] <teraflops> :S
3619 [23:48:22] <mutante> ,v linux-image
3620 [23:48:23] <judd> No package named 'linux-image' was found in amd64.
3621 [23:48:41] <missmbob> ,kernels
3622 [23:48:41] <teraflops> ,v kernels
3623 [23:48:42] <LennyKitty> linux-image-amd64 (4.9+79~bpo8+1)
3624 [23:48:42] <LennyKitty> Links for linux-image-amd64
3625 [23:48:42] <LennyKitty> Screenshot
3626 [23:48:42] <judd> Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.10.0-rc6-686-pae (4.10~rc6-1~exp2); sid: 4.9.0-2-686 (4.9.13-1); stretch: 4.9.0-2-686 (4.9.13-1); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.2-686-pae (4.9.13-1~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.39-1+deb8u2); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.86-1)
3627 [23:48:42] <LennyKitty> Debian Resources:
3628 [23:48:43] <LennyKitty> Bug Reports
3629 [23:48:44] <LennyKitty> Developer Information (PTS)
3630 [23:48:44] <judd> No package named 'kernels' was found in amd64.
3631 [23:48:44] *** LennyKitty was kicked by debhelper (flood. Please use replaced-url
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3634 [23:49:03] <LennyKitty> Debian Kernel Team (QA Page, Mail Archive)
3635 [23:49:05] <LennyKitty> Bastian Blank (QA Page)
3636 [23:49:07] <LennyKitty> Frederik Schüler (QA Page)
3637 [23:49:09] <LennyKitty> Ben Hutchings (QA Page)
3638 [23:49:11] <LennyKitty> Similar packages:
3639 [23:49:12] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o dondelelcaro
3640 [23:49:12] *** dondelelcaro sets mode: +q *!*@unaffiliated/lennykitty
3641 [23:49:12] *** dondelelcaro sets mode: -o dondelelcaro
3642 [23:49:15] <teraflops> LennyKitty: do not paste that way
3643 [23:49:21] *** Parts: LennyKitty (~lk@replaced-ip )
3644 [23:49:21] <mutante> ,v linux-image-4.9.0-1-amd64
3645 [23:49:22] <teraflops> youll be kicked
3646 [23:49:23] <judd> No package named 'linux-image-4.9.0-1-amd64' was found in amd64.
3647 [23:49:34] <Brigo> teraflops, too late
3648 [23:49:37] <teraflops> yeah
3649 [23:49:44] <teraflops> mutante: it's ,v kernels
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3653 [23:49:49] <missmbob> no v
3654 [23:49:57] <teraflops> LennyKitty: stop pasting that way
3655 [23:49:59] <mutante> i never heard of a package name called "kernels". TIL
3656 [23:50:05] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o dondelelcaro
3657 [23:50:09] <Bliepo> Hello! I'm trying to set up internet connection sharing on my Debian box and it works fine... on one interface. The other LAN interfaces don't work :( I have one WAN interface and four LAN interfaces
3658 [23:50:10] <teraflops> mutante: it's a factoid
3659 [23:50:18] *** dondelelcaro sets mode: -q *!*@unaffiliated/lennykitty
3660 [23:50:26] <mutante> ok, but i am looking at "< judd> No package named"
3661 [23:50:27] *** dondelelcaro sets mode: -o dondelelcaro
3662 [23:50:29] <LennyKitty> accident
3663 [23:50:30] <missmbob> no v
3664 [23:50:31] <LennyKitty> I didnt mean to
3665 [23:50:33] <Bliepo> Do I need to bridge the LAN interfaces?
3666 [23:50:33] <LennyKitty> I am sorry
3667 [23:50:43] <dondelelcaro> no worries;
3668 [23:50:51] <teraflops> Bliepo: use iptables or make a bridge
3669 [23:51:13] <Bliepo> teraflops: I am using iptables together with dnsmasq
3670 [23:51:19] <teraflops> LennyKitty: np, if you want to paste more then 3 lines use replaced-url
3671 [23:51:23] <teraflops> than*
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3673 [23:52:11] <Bliepo> Dnsmasq does the DHCP and DNS part
3674 [23:52:20] <LennyKitty> teraflops, I know, it was a accidental paste
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3676 [23:52:31] <teraflops> Bliepo: are you following a wiki or tutorial?
3677 [23:52:52] <teraflops> Bliepo: if yes, mind sharing the url?
3678 [23:52:54] <Bliepo> I'm kinda following the tutorial at replaced-url
3679 [23:53:25] <teraflops> Bliepo: which one?
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3681 [23:53:46] <LennyKitty> im gonna have to reboot arent i
3682 [23:53:50] <Bliepo> Ubuntu Internet Gateway Method (iptables)
3683 [23:53:52] <LennyKitty> after I finish this kernel downlaod
3684 [23:53:56] <LennyKitty> >:(
3685 [23:54:05] <teraflops> Bliepo: both wired nics?
3686 [23:54:12] <Bliepo> Yes
3687 [23:54:20] <Bliepo> But I have a total of five nics
3688 [23:54:25] <Bliepo> One WAN
3689 [23:54:28] <Bliepo> Four LAN
3690 [23:54:52] <Bliepo> One side works fine, one of the LAN nics works fine to. Other LAN nics don't
3691 [23:55:26] <teraflops> Bliepo: then i guess you need more iptables rules
3692 [23:55:38] <Brigo> Bliepo, i guess you miss some iptables rules for your nics
3693 [23:55:42] <Brigo> XD
3694 [23:55:46] <missmbob> try #netfilter for iptables help. that's their home
3695 [23:56:06] <teraflops> LennyKitty: definitely yes :P
3696 [23:56:33] <Bliepo> Actually, when writing the iptables I kept this in mind, I renamed the lan nics to lan_eth0, lan_eth1 etc and then used lan_eth+ as interface name in iptables, which matches them all
3697 [23:56:42] <Bliepo> But I think I found it already
3698 [23:56:50] <LennyKitty> well let me install some other drivers while im at it
3699 [23:56:53] <LennyKitty> hope thats ok
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3701 [23:57:21] <teraflops> LennyKitty: you just need xserver-xorg-video-intel from backports
3702 [23:57:57] <LennyKitty> referring ot my wifi driver
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3704 [23:58:00] <LennyKitty> its non free so
3705 [23:58:04] <LennyKitty> didnt go in install
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3707 [23:58:06] <LennyKitty> k
3708 [23:58:09] <LennyKitty> rebooting nao
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