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0 [00:00:37] <dannyLopez> Gracias somiaj, I go to diner. C 2morow
1 [00:00:57] <somiaj> make sure to reset the ssh server afterwards
2 [00:01:04] <cef> c-c: which method did you use?
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4 [00:01:08] <somiaj> note allowing root to login via ssh is a very big security issue dannyLopez
5 [00:01:16] <dannyLopez> Yes, sure
6 [00:01:28] <somiaj> dannyLopez: bots are always tryign to crack root passwords this way, a key will be much more secure and easier to use.
7 [00:01:30] <dannyLopez> Is only local
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11 [00:02:16] <dannyLopez> And my pass is 10 alphanumeric and some capitals
12 [00:02:16] <c-c> cef: update stuff, /etc/apt/sources.list in vim :%s/jessie/stretcg/g (+wq), apt-get update etc a lot
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14 [00:02:58] <c-c> cef: something happened, didn't install everything, synaptic + mark all upgrades, apply, wait, done
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16 [00:03:10] <somiaj> dannyLopez: only local is good security, then your firewall is the weak spot, though generating an ssh key is not that hard and better than a 10 character password.
17 [00:03:21] <somiaj> replaced-url
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20 [00:03:44] <dannyLopez> And, is only a test, sure I put a public key
21 [00:03:57] <somiaj> dannyLopez: that is fine, just trying to give some advise/knowledge. (:
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24 [00:04:39] <n4dir> fail2ban and non-default port won't hurt too, as far ssh security is concerned
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34 [00:06:30] <cef> c-c: no probs.. sounds like it's worked for you.. have you rebooted yet?
35 [00:06:33] <dannyLopez> Is only with research purposes, somiaj always help me and I listel all U say, and all is a good advice. I appreciate it. :)
36 [00:06:53] <c-c> I wonder what is the '[' file in /usr/bin
37 [00:07:10] <c-c> cef: yes
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39 [00:07:28] <dannyLopez> C U 2morrow.
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41 [00:08:07] <cef> c-c: cool.. thinking with all my graphics woes.. it might be worth going to stretch to see if that might work any better.
42 [00:08:20] <cef> Speaking of which....
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45 [00:08:53] <cef> Anyone gotten GLX with Intel KabyLake (i7-7700) inbuilt video? It's still using the Gallium (software) renderer. Already tried modesetting at boot. Installed `linux-image-amd64 xserver-xorg-video-intel libegl1-mesa libgl1-mesa-glx libgl1-mesa-dri firmware-misc-nonfree` pkgs from jessie-backports. Also firmware from Intel's 01.org site (not in firmware-misc-nonfree). Logs/info: replaced-url
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47 [00:10:11] <c-c> cef: 4.x kernel?
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54 [00:11:27] <somiaj> cef: have you seen if that video card is even supported in linux yet, that is the first thing I see is what kernel one needs. It could be support for it is only in staging in the current kernel trees
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56 [00:12:14] <cef> c-c: 4.9 currently
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58 [00:12:48] <somiaj> cef: do you see the i915 module loading at all for that card?
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61 [00:13:01] <cef> somiaj: I'm guessing that's the issue. I might need to run something later.. that was why I was thinking of going to stretch: more likely to get it going later.
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64 [00:13:27] <somiaj> well if it is related to the kernel not supporting that gpu yet, stretch won't help as the kernel is the same.
65 [00:13:46] <cef> somiaj: yes. Also included not just xorg in logs, but lspci -k and inxi -F
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67 [00:13:51] <somiaj> If it isn't a kernel issue, stretch has the newer modesetting drivers that may help on the xorg side, but I would check to see what the 4.9 kernel is actually loading.
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71 [00:14:04] <cef> somiaj: until it's released and they make backports available. :P
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73 [00:14:23] <cef> Anyway, gotta go to work.. back later.
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75 [00:14:39] <cef> thanks for all the responses.
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79 [00:16:06] <c-c> cef: make a small partition for stretch iso w/ all firmware, and boot into it to see if it works proper
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93 [00:22:10] <c-c> I have systemd on my computer, will I risk cancer?
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103 [00:26:53] <n4dir> c-c: not exactly cancer replaced-url
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106 [00:29:12] <mandeep> doesnt stable use systemd?
107 [00:29:19] <CutMeOwnThroat> yes
108 [00:29:27] <mandeep> i guess i dont get the joke
109 [00:29:39] <CutMeOwnThroat> that's because it's not overly funny
110 [00:29:41] <somiaj> yes they are being off topic. Debian uses systemd by default, though allows one to use other init systems besides systemd.
111 [00:29:59] <mandeep> somiaj: thanks
112 [00:30:05] <c-c> n4dir: that belongs in #devuan
113 [00:30:36] <bezaban> !why systemd
114 [00:30:36] <dpkg> a tired argument. Start by reading rra's excellent analysis at replaced-url
115 [00:30:41] <n4dir> well: i was not the one who came up with the subject.
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117 [00:31:17] <n4dir> and c-c you got way more choices than devuan if you don't wanna use systemd
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119 [00:31:29] <dax> that factoid has a typo, s/ systemd-shimallows/systemd-shim allows/
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123 [00:33:14] <CutMeOwnThroat> dpkg =~ s/shimallows/shim allows/
124 [00:33:15] <dpkg> CutMeOwnThroat: I don't know, could you explain it?
125 [00:33:19] <somiaj> dpkg why systemd =~ s/systemd-shimallows/systemd-shim allows/
126 [00:33:19] <dpkg> OK, somiaj
127 [00:33:27] <somiaj> !why systemd
128 [00:33:27] <dpkg> a tired argument. Start by reading rra's excellent analysis at replaced-url
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130 [00:33:40] <bezaban> :D
131 [00:33:55] <CutMeOwnThroat> oh, forgot the factoid… was so focused on the weird order of =~
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142 [00:39:43] <drm> when i run 'env' in a terminal i dont see 'npm' defined anywhere in my environment variables, yet when i run the command 'npm' everything works as expected. When i look in .profile, .bashrc, and /etc/environment i dont see 'npm' defined either. how does my bash terminal know where the command 'npm' is supposed to point to?
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144 [00:40:37] <n4dir> run "type npm"
145 [00:40:57] <babilen> drm: Your PATH .. use "whereis npm" and "which npm" and compare that to "echo $PATH"
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154 [00:44:30] <drm> ah ok, so does the PATH here refer to the PATH in .profile or .bashrc?
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156 [00:44:57] <drm> or are they just both read into the environment?\
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162 [00:46:12] <n4dir> profile sources bashrc, at least in debian, so ...
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174 [00:51:47] <linuxthefish> hi, i just updated chromium to version 57 on debian sid but when trying to install extensions i get "installation is not enabled"
175 [00:53:22] <linuxthefish> all the workarounds say to set "export CHROMIUM_FLAGS="$CHROMIUM_FLAGS --enable-remote-extensions""" which i did but no luck
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184 [00:57:06] <ee> Is it possible to install debian without systemd? Or Is it enough to just uninstall it after installation?
185 [00:57:41] <linuxthefish> replaced-url
186 [00:57:42] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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188 [00:58:30] <n4dir> ee: as far i know you can only replace it after installation. There is a factoid how to do so ... probably !sysv or such
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190 [00:58:43] <dax> dpkg: jessie sysvinit
191 [00:58:43] <dpkg> To use an init system other than systemd in jessie, install the systemd-shim package (for logind) and remove the systemd-sysv package: aptitude install systemd-shim sysvinit-core systemd-sysv-. To stick with sysvinit for wheezy->jessie upgrades, follow the pinning advice in the release notes: replaced-url
192 [00:59:11] <dax> (and yes, you'd do that after a normal installation)
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199 [01:01:57] <ee> Probably should start from the beginning then I guess.
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202 [01:02:25] <ee> replaced-url
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207 [01:03:17] <n4dir> the factoid given by dax already told you how to do it. ee
208 [01:03:30] <ee> ye reading it now
209 [01:03:38] <n4dir> i tried both (they slightly differ) and both worked for me
210 [01:03:54] <ee> What was the difference and wich one did you prefer?
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213 [01:04:36] <n4dir> from the top of my head i don't recall. the link you gave does a bit more, iirc. I don't prefer any of the both (if i don't want to use systemd, i prefer different distros than debian)
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215 [01:05:09] <n4dir> you are on the safe side if you follow the one given by the factoid. of course
216 [01:05:42] <ee> How can I be sure when they implement this as standard.
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218 [01:05:53] <n4dir> sure about what?
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226 [01:07:42] <ee> Since you said it does more the guide I sent so I assumed in a good way, but maybe it was in a bad way? What's the difference if you can explain?
227 [01:08:31] <n4dir> sorry, i can't really remember (i would need to read, but won't be any smarter than you if you read it ... :-) )
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232 [01:10:34] <ee> Difference is that I do not understand it as well as you, but I guess I will need to read both and make my own decision :)
233 [01:10:41] <n4dir> well: it also avoids to install systemd-shim (and probably libsystemd0 or however it is called these days). My guess is in the long run that my lead to ... "problems"
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237 [01:12:37] <n4dir> debian packages (can) depend on systemd-shim. If you pin it, that are the problems i have in mind (by no means am saying "that is the way it is". Been too long i cared for it)
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240 [01:13:12] <dax> avoiding libsystemd0 is mostly impossible and completely pointless
241 [01:13:15] <n4dir> if it was me for now i would go to the way dpkg-factoid said (after considering if it is really worth the trouble to avoid systemd)
242 [01:13:22] <dax> so unless it's a very silly link, i doubt it recommends that
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244 [01:14:06] <dax> you can do without -shim though, if your desktop environment doesn't depend on logind
245 [01:14:17] <n4dir> dax: i am not much in pinning, but to me it looks like it:
246 [01:14:22] <n4dir> echo -e '\n\nPackage: *systemd*\nPin: release *\nPin-Priority: -1' >> /etc/apt/preferences.d/systemd
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251 [01:16:26] <n4dir> wouldn't bet on it, but i think antix and refracta get along without libsystemd0
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257 [01:20:24] <ee> In the debian guide it says "This package is installed automatically on upgrades" what does this mean? If I don't upgrade after installation and have no internet connection, will it not install systemd then?
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271 [01:25:08] <n4dir> think about for a bit what you just asked
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276 [01:26:58] <ee> I guess I missunderstood upgrade abit ^ It's my thing, question before think then ask more questions without thinking.
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278 [01:27:25] <n4dir> same here ...
279 [01:27:29] <ee> n4dir: what OS do you use?
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281 [01:27:47] <n4dir> mainly Slackware
282 [01:28:02] <n4dir> raspian on the raspberry pi, debian on the iMac
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284 [01:28:41] <n4dir> ppc, where you ain't got much options, as far i can tell (debian, gentoo, BSD*)
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288 [01:29:40] <n4dir> and dragora ...
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294 [01:30:28] <OtakuSenpai> how do you add shortcuts in nautilus,shortcuts being those tht come after "HOME","PICTURES",MUSIC",etc
295 [01:31:33] <ryouma> no clue whatsoever, but in linux, a shortcut might refer to a symbolic link
296 [01:31:46] <OtakuSenpai> not a symbolic link
297 [01:31:47] <ryouma> (or not)
298 [01:31:54] <OtakuSenpai> a nautilus shortcut
299 [01:31:58] <ryouma> so like a launching thing/
300 [01:31:59] <ryouma> ?
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302 [01:32:12] <OtakuSenpai> yeah
303 [01:32:14] <ryouma> ok, never mind, somebody who is not clueless will answer
304 [01:32:24] <OtakuSenpai> right clicking on a folder doesnt show any option
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306 [01:36:07] <Xtopherus> how do you upgrade an installed version of apache to latest version ?
307 [01:36:13] <Xtopherus> if its not in the repo
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309 [01:36:27] <OtakuSenpai> you backport
310 [01:36:39] <Xtopherus> i have jessie-backports in
311 [01:36:42] <OtakuSenpai> jessie backports must hav it
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313 [01:36:50] <OtakuSenpai> ,v apache
314 [01:36:51] <judd> No package named 'apache' was found in amd64.
315 [01:36:59] <OtakuSenpai> idk the package name
316 [01:37:07] <Xtopherus> apache2 i guess
317 [01:37:25] <Xtopherus> i have 2.4.10 i need at least 2.4.11 to solve SSL issues
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319 [01:37:33] <dax> ,v apache2
320 [01:37:34] <judd> Package: apache2 on amd64 -- wheezy: 2.2.22-13+deb7u6; wheezy-security: 2.2.22-13+deb7u8; jessie: 2.4.10-10+deb8u7; jessie-proposed-updates: 2.4.10-10+deb8u8; jessie-security: 2.4.10-10+deb8u8; sid: 2.4.25-3; stretch: 2.4.25-3
321 [01:37:40] <c-c> apt search apache | less
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323 [01:38:11] <dax> heh, indeed no backport of it. fun.
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325 [01:38:29] <Xtopherus> :(
326 [01:38:33] <dax> !ssb
327 [01:38:33] <dpkg> First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
328 [01:38:37] <dax> time for that, i guess ^
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330 [01:38:48] <OtakuSenpai> you can also build your own package for it
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332 [01:40:38] <c-c> why not just dpkg -i *.deb in that text?
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334 [01:41:22] <Xtopherus> will that overwrite and of my shit ?
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350 [01:52:13] <abff> does anyone have something for me to read or maybe look at to explain to me how pulseaudio and alsa do what they do and how they affect each other? even just a diagram would be great
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358 [01:54:55] <ryouma> abff: i can't help you with your question, but know that alsa works. i found that purging pulseaudio made everything work better.
359 [01:55:19] <ryouma> abff: i think alsa is lower level
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362 [01:55:40] <abff> Yeah something like pulseaudio is for audio over the network,
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365 [01:55:58] <abff> Can alsa do per-application mixing?
366 [01:55:59] <mr-mister> hello, my debian laptop is freezing once every day. i believe it has to do with xorg which i am running, and maybe video decoding because oftentimes playing a youtube video leads to an eventual freeze
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370 [01:56:57] <mr-mister> the freezing is a lack of keyboard and mouse responsiveness, as well as cessation of audio but not video
371 [01:57:08] <mr-mister> video freezes but does not disappear
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419 [02:22:47] <mr-mister> if i'm experiencing xorg crashes should i switch from stretch to jessie?
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424 [02:30:51] <jsw_> Couldn't hurt to try, even if just to see if it changes the behaviour?
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429 [02:35:12] <mr-mister> is there a way to automatically "downgrade"?
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431 [02:35:46] <ryouma> downgrading is not supported. it took me 3mo to downgrade xorg long ago.
432 [02:36:05] <hassoon> g'night
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436 [02:36:44] <gentz> will ze nick server let me speak?
437 [02:36:49] <gentz> I guess so
438 [02:37:02] <gentz> ignore that
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493 [03:22:39] <gentzy> correct me if I'm wrong, but if a redirect stdout and stderr to a file I shouldn't see anything?
494 [03:23:01] <ryouma> gentzy: not true
495 [03:23:09] <ryouma> there is also the terminal
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498 [03:23:57] <gentzy> How would I hide it then?
499 [03:24:28] <gentzy> I'm getting "grep: foo: Is a directory" and I want it to disapear
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502 [03:24:30] <dvs> ???
503 [03:24:36] <ryouma> that should be stderr
504 [03:24:43] <ryouma> and grep has an option to skip
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508 [03:25:03] <gentzy> Adding &> /dev/null isn't making it go away
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510 [03:25:25] <dvs> gentzy, because you have to add "2>&1"
511 [03:26:11] <AlexLikeRock> I love GNU
512 [03:26:11] <gentzy> Now i'm getting "xargs: grep: terminated by signal 13"
513 [03:26:12] <AlexLikeRock> <3
514 [03:26:39] <ryouma> gentzy: wha tare you trying to do?
515 [03:26:55] <ryouma> xargs is pretty tricky
516 [03:26:59] <gentzy> I'm tring to find all files with the string "City: "
517 [03:27:07] <gentzy> "find . -name '*' | xargs grep "City: " -c | awk '!/:0/' 2>&1 ~/tst"
518 [03:27:18] <ryouma> grep -r is tricky too; consider gnu parallel
519 [03:28:06] <ryouma> gentzy: find . -type f -exec grep ... + or something maybe
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521 [03:28:20] <ryouma> read grep man page for dirs
522 [03:28:20] <gang> Anyone on?
523 [03:28:38] <dTal> nope
524 [03:29:05] <ryouma> gentzy: find . -type f -print0 | LC_ALL=C parallel --gnu -q -k -X account zmygrep -H -0 "$@" {}
525 [03:29:17] <dTal> nobody here 'cept us bots
526 [03:29:20] <ryouma> or, for me who does not care about newlines, the same thing without the 0 stuff
527 [03:29:25] <Spec> grep -rl 'City:' *
528 [03:29:57] <gang> My pc froze so I had to hold down the power button now I keep getting a black screen with a blinking curse, Any ideas?
529 [03:30:06] <ryouma> grep -r might or might not have issues with symlinks or so
530 [03:31:04] <ryouma> oops, i did not give you zmygrep, which is LC_ALL=C xzgrep -i --color=auto --devices=skip
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533 [03:31:34] <Spec> so...: find . -type f -exec grep "City: " -l "{}" \;
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535 [03:32:48] <gentzy> Ryouma: gives "Error: Command line too long"
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537 [03:33:57] <gentzy> Spec: first one is perfect
538 [03:33:59] <ryouma> gentzy: try spec's command
539 [03:34:00] <gentzy> thanks
540 [03:34:35] <Spec> it does not handle compressed files so well if you need that
541 [03:34:45] <ryouma> aha, grep maybe fixed its symlink issue
542 [03:34:47] <Spec> you could -name "*gz" and zgrep/etc accordingly if that's a thing you need
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544 [03:35:13] <gentzy> Nope, just was looking for things in *.c and *.h files
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547 [03:35:57] <Spec> -r "following symbolic links only if they are on the command line. "
548 [03:36:04] <Spec> whatever that means
549 [03:36:16] <Spec> -R " Read all files under each directory, recursively. Follow all symbolic links, unlike -r."
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552 [03:36:34] <Spec> maybe -r only follows symlinks if they're arguments provided to grep directly
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555 [03:37:09] <ryouma> there is a device called a dylos that has a serial port output. can you just read from an adaptor to get serial port data?
556 [03:37:21] <ryouma> Spec: yeah
557 [03:37:43] <Spec> you can use minicom to read from various serial devices, like ttyUSBs and so forth, if that's what you're looking for
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566 [03:42:01] <gang> My pc froze so I had to hold down the power button now I keep getting a black screen with a blinking curse, Any ideas?
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568 [03:44:30] <AlexLikeRock> do you restart to SAFE MODE ? gang ?
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570 [03:44:38] <gentzy> Get your syslog or something?
571 [03:44:55] <gentzy> I keep a usb with ubuntu live right by py pc
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573 [03:45:09] <AlexLikeRock> gang, ant start GRUB , choice "AVANCED OPTIONS" , select SAFE MODE
574 [03:46:29] <gang> AlexLikeRock I have sparklinux and I went to advanced options and choose the oldest kernal and I'm on it now
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582 [03:49:37] <gang> Any idea what went wrong and how to fix it?
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584 [03:50:35] <gry> gang check your logs. maybe already in syslog.1 rather than syslog, and other respective names.
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590 [03:53:36] <AlexLikeRock> gang, this channel its to support DEBIAN
591 [03:53:43] <AlexLikeRock> i dont now sparklinux
592 [03:54:04] <AlexLikeRock> but, what say gry , its good start
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595 [03:54:10] <AlexLikeRock> check LOGs
596 [03:54:48] <gang> AlexLikeRock I'm 90% Sparkylinux is Debian
597 [03:54:53] <gang> What should I look for in the logs?
598 [03:55:16] <AlexLikeRock> are you at safe mode as i say ?
599 [03:55:19] <gry> oh sorry. sparklinux isn't supported here. or is it sparkylinux?
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601 [03:56:15] <gry> you need to ask replaced-url
602 [03:56:15] <somiaj> !sparkylinux
603 [03:56:15] <dpkg> SparkyLinux is a Linux distribution based on <testing>. It is not supported in #debian or #debian-next. replaced-url
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610 [04:02:38] <gang> AlexLikeRock I'm on an older kernal not safemode
611 [04:03:03] <gry> gang you two would need to visit ##linux or sparkylinux forum or private message. it is not supported in this channel
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615 [04:03:28] <AlexLikeRock> replaced-url
616 [04:03:36] <AlexLikeRock> RECOVERY MOMDE
617 [04:03:58] <gang> Recovery gives the same black screen
618 [04:04:09] <AlexLikeRock> ok,
619 [04:04:21] <AlexLikeRock> now Start at RUN LEVEL 1
620 [04:04:29] <AlexLikeRock> do you now ???
621 [04:04:30] <gry> AlexLikeRock: please
622 [04:04:31] <AlexLikeRock> that ?
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624 [04:04:53] <gry> AlexLikeRock: it is not supported here. use ##linux or sparkylinux forum or private message
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626 [04:05:39] <AlexLikeRock> gang search at google "Booting into Single-User Mode"
627 [04:05:42] <AlexLikeRock> bye
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633 [04:10:29] <gang> AlexLikeRock thanks
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636 [04:15:06] <AlexLikeRock> j/ #php
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669 [04:52:08] <brabo> gry: ohai thar
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671 [04:52:34] <gry> hey brabo :)
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674 [04:55:09] <brabo> how;s life on the south side? :)
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676 [04:56:20] <gry> it's ok. I am trying to get started with packaging things. learnt about alioth the other week. I keep trying to figure out how to get started with that and what is the review process for package updates. already read on some of the packaging things beforehand
677 [04:57:04] <brabo> cool :)
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680 [04:59:00] <hanasaki> What can you recommend for a home high speed router with 1000GB and wifi for the home / small business that works with debian clients and windwows?
681 [04:59:21] <gentzy> What's #debian-next for?
682 [04:59:44] <hanasaki> debian 9
683 [04:59:44] <brabo> gentzy: testing/unstable as topic states
684 [05:00:04] <gentzy> Why's it invite only?
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687 [05:01:19] <gentzy> nvm
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689 [05:01:26] <gentzy> OFTC network only
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805 [05:31:45] <nagchampa> what's the difference between the zlib1g and lib64z1 packages?
806 [05:32:07] <AlexLikeRock> X32 & X64 ?
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808 [05:32:52] <nagchampa> except zlib1g includes amd64 builds
809 [05:32:54] <themill> nagchampa: multi-arch vs biarch
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811 [05:33:19] <themill> (as in, if stuff is using lib64z1 it's old, crufty, and should be updated)
812 [05:33:21] <AlexLikeRock> biarch ????
813 [05:33:23] <AlexLikeRock> exist ?
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815 [05:33:45] <gentzy> lib64z1 only has an i386 build
816 [05:33:50] <gentzy> the other has both
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819 [05:34:43] <gentzy> /msg NickServ VERIFY REGISTER gentzy ictxsjtvhlib
820 [05:34:50] <nagchampa> themill: thanks
821 [05:34:53] <dax> gentzy: try again without a space in front :)
822 [05:35:02] <gentzy> ya
823 [05:35:04] <gentzy> opps
824 [05:35:29] <Insi22> Loyality to jewishness is loyality to oppression and world domination. The only way to end jewish supremecy and oppression is for jewish women to race mix with black men. This is the only answer. israel also must transform and learn to become multicultural by race mixing with blacks and palastainans.
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842 [05:46:22] <AlexLikeRock> Gansta Debian >:-D
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951 [07:07:35] <mr-mister> how do i downgrade a package?
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953 [07:08:03] <gentzy> you can pin it
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957 [07:09:10] <mr-mister> i'm running xorg 1:7.7+18 and want to downgrade to jessie stable 1:7.7+7
958 [07:09:50] <gentzy> put "Package: xorg(newline)Pin: release a=stable(newline)Pin-Priority: 1001(newline)"
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960 [07:10:06] <gentzy> in your /etc/apt/preferences
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962 [07:10:19] <gentzy> then do apt update and apt upgrade
963 [07:11:01] <mr-mister> do i type the quotation marks
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965 [07:11:09] <gentzy> no
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967 [07:11:20] <gentzy> and replace the (newline) with a new line
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969 [07:11:34] <gentzy> (should be 3 lines)
970 [07:11:53] <gentzy> also, it might want to uninstall a ton of crap
971 [07:12:02] <gentzy> so dont blindly hit yes
972 [07:12:32] <mr-mister> nah, just chromium
973 [07:12:33] <mr-mister> which has tearing issues anyway
974 [07:12:54] <mr-mister> oh, wait
975 [07:13:07] <mr-mister> didn't want to uninstall anything as far as i can tell
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977 [07:13:23] <gentzy> good
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979 [07:14:03] <mr-mister> still says 1:7.7+18
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981 [07:14:20] <gentzy> did you do apt update and apt upgrade?
982 [07:14:26] <mr-mister> yeah
983 [07:14:30] <gentzy> hmm
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985 [07:14:42] <mr-mister> you put a (newline) at the end of the string
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987 [07:14:53] <mr-mister> so i just hit enter for a blank line
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991 [07:15:36] <gentzy> could you post the /etc/apt/preferences file?
992 [07:15:41] <gentzy> (in pastbin)
993 [07:16:05] <mr-mister> replaced-url
994 [07:16:14] <mr-mister> i removed the 4th, blank line
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996 [07:17:55] <gentzy> what does "apt-cache policy xorg" give?
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998 [07:19:04] <mr-mister> could it be that i don't have the jessie repo in sources.list?
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1000 [07:19:21] <gentzy> that would be nice ^.^
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1002 [07:20:39] <gentzy> I assumed you were running stable and accidentally put the stretch/sid packages into your system
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1004 [07:21:11] <mr-mister> i installed stretch by accident and now i'm in too deep
1005 [07:21:19] <mr-mister> don't have time to reinstall
1006 [07:21:32] <gentzy> err, your gonna pin more than stretch
1007 [07:21:45] <gentzy> replace xorg with "*"
1008 [07:21:46] <mr-mister> ?
1009 [07:21:57] <mr-mister> more than xorg you mean?
1010 [07:22:01] <gentzy> yes, sorry
1011 [07:22:21] <gentzy> your gonna want to downgrade everything
1012 [07:22:23] <mr-mister> will my system be broken if i don't do * ?
1013 [07:22:44] <gentzy> generally mixing stable and stretch is bad
1014 [07:22:50] <gentzy> better to use backports
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1017 [07:23:36] <mr-mister> brb
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1052 [07:41:58] <mr-mister> [02:26] <mr-mister> downgrading all the packages seems like it would break my system though [02:26] <mr-mister> or i might lose features that i'm used to [02:27] <mr-mister> i read that stretch is going to be stable soon maybe so once it is i could just stay on that [02:27] <mr-mister> i'm new to debian tbh [02:27] <mr-mister> the lingo is confusing sometimes [02:28] <mr-mister> but yeah, i got the right version after adding the
1053 [07:42:07] <mr-mister> wrong channel :|
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1057 [07:44:27] <gentzy> you could keep it on stretch
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1075 [07:56:02] <afx_> Hello! Whenever I search for a file in nautilus , the first column i.e Name gets resized. Is there a way I can disable that ?
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1119 [08:16:52] <gentzy_> "Segmentation fault"
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1122 [08:17:18] <gentzy_> thanks for the clear mesage
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1129 [08:19:51] <mr-mister> i can't confirm but believe seeing that aptitude wanted to downgrade 4 packages, pinning downgrades all dependencies too i guess?
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1140 [08:22:28] <gentzy> you prob wanna pin either everything or nothing
1141 [08:22:56] <mr-mister> dpkg -l | wc -l ==> 1722 though
1142 [08:22:56] <dpkg> No packages found matching | wc -l ==> 1722 though
1143 [08:23:11] <mr-mister> just seems risky
1144 [08:23:55] <gentzy> well, debian doesn't support downgrading in the firstplace
1145 [08:24:00] <gentzy> so it is risky
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1147 [08:24:26] <mr-mister> does apt dist-upgrade on jessie upgrade to stretch?
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1151 [08:24:43] <gentzy> only if you have stretch in your sources
1152 [08:24:47] <mr-mister> lol
1153 [08:24:53] <gentzy> and preferences perfers stretch
1154 [08:24:59] <mr-mister> i put stretch in my sources and then did that, because i saw 9 > 8
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1157 [08:25:09] <mr-mister> didn't know about testing/stable/etc
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1163 [08:26:02] <mr-mister> when do you think stretch will become stable?
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1165 [08:26:20] <gentzy> early 2018 is my guess
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1169 [08:26:44] <gentzy> tbh, I'd just upgrade to debian sid (unstable)
1170 [08:26:59] <gentzy> I've only seen 1 but in the last two months
1171 [08:26:59] <mr-mister> why
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1173 [08:27:14] <gentzy> its cutting edge
1174 [08:27:32] <mr-mister> the latest xorg was crashing for me
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1176 [08:27:34] <mr-mister> freezing*
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1179 [08:27:49] <gentzy> did you check the log files?
1180 [08:27:56] <mr-mister> yeah, no logs
1181 [08:28:09] <mr-mister> only thing i can't rule out is a hardware failure
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1184 [08:28:35] <mr-mister> syslog and Xorg.log.0 etc
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1186 [08:28:49] <gentzy> How bout ~/.xsession-errors?
1187 [08:29:03] <gentzy> and /var/log/messages
1188 [08:29:09] <mr-mister> yeah checked those
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1190 [08:29:31] <gentzy> was thier *no* logs or just nothing interesting
1191 [08:29:37] <mr-mister> nothing interesting
1192 [08:29:42] <mr-mister> everything seemingly fine
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1194 [08:30:20] <gentzy> Sounds like what happened to my VMs when going from stable to sid
1195 [08:30:28] <gentzy> not sure what caused it
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1201 [08:31:52] <gentzy> Anyways, just backup all your files then pin everything to stable
1202 [08:32:02] <gentzy> then run apt update
1203 [08:32:08] <gentzy> then apt upgrade
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1205 [08:32:15] <gentzy> then apt dist-upgrade
1206 [08:32:20] <gentzy> and hopefor the best
1207 [08:32:27] <mr-mister> i will if i experience any more freezes/ crashes
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1210 [08:33:09] <mr-mister> xorg somehow is acting nicer regularly now
1211 [08:33:20] <mr-mister> noticeably better performance or it's in my head
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1214 [08:33:58] <gentzy> (some) games run faster to with the new mesa
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1217 [08:34:08] <gentzy> *too
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1544 [10:59:02] <maziar> hi what is this error on my bind : replaced-url
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1550 [11:01:12] <jelly> maziar: there's no error there, just some queries from some clients being denied. Is this actual output?
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1554 [11:02:07] <jelly> maziar: is this bind instance authoritative for "site.com." zone? Are 8.0.16.* your customers?
1555 [11:02:22] <jelly> if your answer is no to both, just ignore it
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1557 [11:02:34] <rgr> a predominantly apache2 project I am looking at is is somehow resolving/serving videos.blah.com but I cant see how. pinging it gives the ip of the server I am ssh'ing into but there is applicable apache2 conf file in /etc/apache2/sites-enabled. Can someone suggest how I determine what is serving this domain name on this server?
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1559 [11:03:00] <rgr> correction : "is *no* applicable apache2 conf file"
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1565 [11:04:41] <petn-randall> rgr: 'apache2ctl -S' will show you which sites this apache2 serves. There is usually a default server that serves a response if no other virtualhost is responsible for the request.
1566 [11:05:10] <petn-randall> rgr: I'm guessing either the apache is still running on old config, or your requests are actually going somewhere else.
1567 [11:05:32] <petn-randall> rgr: The latter you can check by firing some requests and observing the access logs.
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1572 [11:08:04] <rgr> I *think* (and I know nothing about ruby) somehow something calle "passenger" is running. I need to google. And thanks a lot.
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1574 [11:08:29] <rgr> deconstructing an undocumented cobwebbed project is not as much fun as it used to be...
1575 [11:09:06] <petn-randall> rgr: I feel your pain, some people have already been there.
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1578 [11:11:25] <rgr> yeah, slow going. ah well.
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1615 [11:26:26] <OS-214078> Hi all, I need a little advice : If, for some reasons, accesschk.exe is not working, wmic either. How enumerate services running to know if I am able to change the config (sc config, of course to have a remote shell) ?
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1618 [11:27:03] <babilen> OS-214078: Is this in wine?
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1623 [11:28:21] <OS-214078> I do not use wine
1624 [11:29:07] <petn-randall> OS-214078: Are you sure you wanted to ask in the Debian support channel? accesschk.exe sounds like a Windows program.
1625 [11:29:22] <babilen> OS-214078: How do you run accesschk.exem then ? I guess you could just clarify how this relates to Debian.
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1630 [11:31:43] <OS-214078> Babilen, good question. Maybe because I am in the wrong channel and I thought I was i another... The only thing linked to Debian, is to enumerate windows services to catch a remote shell on a debian.
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1634 [11:32:23] <babilen> OS-214078: Ah, haha. Okay, I sort of assumed that you asked in the wrong channel, but wanted to give you the benefit of the doubt. Maybe try ##windows?
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1636 [11:33:30] <OS-214078> Yep, My bad. However, thanks for your answer
1637 [11:33:37] <babilen> All the best!
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1651 [11:37:51] <gmx-x> hello
1652 [11:38:07] <gmx-x> i run kali-linux on my PC
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1656 [11:41:00] <bezaban> !kali
1657 [11:41:01] <dpkg> Kali Linux (replaced-url
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1663 [11:42:41] <gmx-x> yes,but it.s very like debian
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1665 [11:42:50] <plasmoduck> !backports
1666 [11:42:50] <dpkg> A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. replaced-url
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1668 [11:42:55] <nkuttler> gmx-x: yes, but it's not debian
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1672 [11:43:12] <plasmoduck> !debian-backports
1673 [11:43:12] <dpkg> backports.debian.org (formerly backports.org) is an official repository of <backports> for the current stable (see <jessie backports>) and oldstable (<wheezy backports>) distributions, prepared by Debian developers. Ask me about <backport caveat> and read replaced-url
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1699 [11:49:14] <gmx-x> hi
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1719 [11:56:19] <weedmic> I normally use opensuse for all my machines, servers & desktops & laptops. I have been unsuccessful getting runescape nxt client to run on opensuse (the java client works fine). So, I need to setup a debian based machine.
1720 [11:56:31] <weedmic> Anyone have bad things to say about mint? I did NOT like ubuntu.
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1722 [11:57:41] <sypher> weedmic: First, which distro will work best for you is entirely up to you. Test it out, see if you like it, see if it works. Second, non-Debian topics are offtopic for this channel. Third, polls are a bad way to gather information.
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1725 [11:58:26] <sypher> weedmic: I believe that the Linut Mint IRC channel is #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org - They'd probably have a lot more to offer than we do.
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1727 [11:58:39] <weedmic> ok - tks
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1814 [12:30:36] <sphenxes> testing/unstable: #debian-next (irc.oftc.net)
1815 [12:30:50] <sphenxes> #debian-next (irc.oftc.net)
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1853 [12:48:39] <LinuxExplorer> hello, what are some good linux distros based on Debian that work out of the box, are suitable for newer hardware?
1854 [12:48:59] <squigz> Why not Debian itself
1855 [12:49:19] <babilen> It's pretty much based on Debian, after all
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1860 [12:50:34] <LinuxExplorer> but, I think newer hardware will have some problem with Debian stable.
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1862 [12:50:58] <babilen> You can always run a backported kernel if that becomes an issue
1863 [12:51:00] <LinuxExplorer> and I am just an end user. I just want to install in and use it
1864 [12:51:12] <babilen> At the moment I'd recommend to track stretch and use it on your hardware
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1866 [12:51:46] <LinuxExplorer> I don't want to spend more time and energy in setting up the system. I don't have any technical knowledge of Linux.
1867 [12:52:15] <babilen> I get my hands on new hardware frequently and never had a problem with it. I am tracking testing/unstable though, but hardware support primarily boils down to the kernel, Xorg and GPU modules which are typically backported
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1870 [12:52:33] <babilen> replaced-url
1871 [12:52:39] <LinuxExplorer> ok
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1873 [12:53:17] <babilen> I mean, feel free to run another distribution, but I can assure you that Debian is a not a bad choice and that you won't regret it in the long run
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1876 [12:53:39] <babilen> replaced-url
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1879 [12:54:03] <babilen> (It will be the next stable release and is currently frozen while Debian squashes the remaining bugs)
1880 [12:54:12] <LinuxExplorer> can I get a pdf copy of that?
1881 [12:54:36] <babilen> replaced-url
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1883 [12:56:03] <Brigo> poor bugs :(
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1886 [12:57:18] <sandman13> LinuxExplorer: Debian has live CDs, you can try them out too if you like :)
1887 [12:57:28] <sypher> LinuxExplorer: I'd also recommend attempting to develop your technical understanding of Linux. There are many excellent sources on the internet.
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1894 [12:59:38] <LinuxExplorer> last time when I had some problems with debian stable live cds I was told that there isn't much focus on the live cd part of the project and hence I was advised to download the installed cd and try that.
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1896 [13:00:17] <themill> no, you were told that if you want an installer, you should use the installer
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1898 [13:01:34] <sandman13> You can install Debian via Live media but from my past experience, things didn't work out quite well.
1899 [13:01:47] <LinuxExplorer> I tried the live cd, but it didn't get detected during boot up on my new 64 bit laptop.
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1903 [13:02:31] <sandman13> LinuxExplorer: What wasn't detected? Installation media itself?
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1905 [13:03:22] <LinuxExplorer> yes. I created the live usb of Debian Jessie and tried to boot from that on my brand new 64 bit laptop. It wasn't detected.
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1909 [13:04:01] <TimurTheLame> LinuxExplorer, care to mention with what you created the live USB?
1910 [13:04:03] <LinuxExplorer> the pendrive was ok. the method of creating the live usb is correct. and my laptop also is brand new.
1911 [13:04:29] <themill> the live images don't do uefi
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1914 [13:04:38] <sandman13> ^ that explains things
1915 [13:04:40] <LinuxExplorer> dd command, tried with etcher. and the default usb image writer
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1919 [13:05:09] <topi`> how can I tell update-initramfs to include my custom /lib/firmware/edid/xxx.bin file in the initrd image?
1920 [13:05:09] <LinuxExplorer> that is why I asked for a suitable Debian based distro.
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1922 [13:05:21] <LinuxExplorer> btw, how is Solus Linux?
1923 [13:05:27] <themill> LinuxExplorer: we've been through this far too many times now. #debian recommends debian.
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1926 [13:06:15] <squigz> LinuxExplorer: If you don't have any linux experience, why are you trying to run it
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1928 [13:06:34] <squigz> I suppose your nick answers that for me
1929 [13:06:41] * themill wonders for how many years LinuxExplorer will continue to have no linux experience
1930 [13:06:53] <squigz> LinuxExplorer: it's truly worth just jumping into Debian, no matter what you think
1931 [13:06:57] <LinuxExplorer> I like Debian a lot. It is rock solid and stable.
1932 [13:06:58] <squigz> If you're actually trying to learn linux, that is.
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1934 [13:07:15] <LinuxExplorer> has probably largest repository of packages.
1935 [13:07:21] <sypher> LinuxExplorer: You're in marketing, aren't you.
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1938 [13:07:45] <LinuxExplorer> but, somehow I am not able to run live usb of Debian.
1939 [13:07:57] <LinuxExplorer> sypher, I am not in marketing.
1940 [13:08:06] <LinuxExplorer> what made you think that?
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1944 [13:09:29] <sypher> LinuxExplorer: You have an opinion of Debian that's essentially a copy-paste of the Google query "pros of Debian," yet you lack any kind of experience or expertise that would inform such an opinion. You also show very little willingness to actually LEARN the topic, and expect others to handhold you, as is evidenced by the rapidly deteriorating patience of the people in this channel.
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1946 [13:10:04] <TimurTheLame> sypher, you're breaking the "be friendly" rule, bro
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1951 [13:10:28] <LinuxExplorer> ok. As a newbie I just wanted an OS that works out of the box.
1952 [13:10:41] <themill> So, moving on to debian user support...
1953 [13:10:47] <LinuxExplorer> I want to install a linux os on my office computers.
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1958 [13:11:12] <LinuxExplorer> Others also should be comfortable in using that.
1959 [13:11:19] <sypher> TimurTheLame: Not the first time, and it won't be the last.
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1962 [13:12:13] <sypher> LinuxExplorer: Okay, so that puts a little more color to what you're trying to do. Still, this IS off-topic for this channel. #debian-offtopic might be a better venue.
1963 [13:12:46] <LinuxExplorer> ok. I didn't know that. I'll try that channel.
1964 [13:13:09] <LinuxExplorer> sorry if I have disturbed anybody on this channel.
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1968 [13:13:45] <sypher> We now return you to your regularly-scheduled programming.
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2024 [13:35:35] <userro> Whem I try to install libgcc1:amd64, it is removing all important packages like apt, bash, dpkg from native architecture. Why is that happening?
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2030 [13:36:56] <themill> !bat
2031 [13:36:56] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
2032 [13:38:20] <CuSn> Hi, using apt-cache search i tried to find th package that has the ffmpeg command, but no luck. I have tried installing tools that use ffmpeg to see if a dependency could bring it in, but that didn't work. Is ffmpeg in any package for debian?
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2036 [13:39:53] <jelly> dpkg, tell CuSn about jessie-backports
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2038 [13:39:54] <Cyclohexane> How can I fix "Hash Sum mismatch" in apt? I've tried rm -rf /var/..., clean, update
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2041 [13:40:16] <themill> Cyclohexane: picking a better mirror isn't a bad idea. deb.debian.org makes a good choice
2042 [13:40:19] <CuSn> jelly: Thanks!
2043 [13:40:27] <jelly> ,v ffmpeg
2044 [13:40:28] <judd> Package: ffmpeg on amd64 -- wheezy: 6:0.8.17-2; wheezy-security: 6:0.8.20-0+deb7u1; jessie-backports: 7:3.2.4-1~bpo8+1; sid: 7:3.2.4-1; stretch: 7:3.2.4-1; wheezy-multimedia: 8:1.0.10-dmo1; jessie-multimedia: 10:2.6.9-dmo1; sid-multimedia: 10:3.2.4-dmo3
2045 [13:40:46] <Cyclohexane> themill: E: Failed to fetch replaced-url
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2047 [13:41:25] <CuSn> I'm on Debian 3.16.39-1 Is that jesse or Wheezy?
2048 [13:41:34] <userro> CuSn, why can't you install it directly?
2049 [13:41:58] <CuSn> userro: apparently its not in the normal repos
2050 [13:42:12] <CuSn> normal=defualt upon install
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2052 [13:42:16] <CuSn> *default
2053 [13:42:22] <TimurTheLame> Cyclohexane, it seems like the MI6 is trying to *puts on sunglasses* subvert your subversion
2054 [13:42:36] <toruvinn> yyyyyyeeeeeeaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhh
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2057 [13:43:06] <userro> you need to do 'apt update' to get the full of packages
2058 [13:43:15] <userro> full list
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2061 [13:44:11] <CuSn> just ran that, got errs.
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2063 [13:44:32] <jelly> dpkg, tell CuSn about debian suite
2064 [13:44:42] <jelly> CuSn: that's a jessie kernel version
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2067 [13:45:01] <jelly> userro: there is no ffmpeg in jessie repos by default.
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2069 [13:45:13] <CuSn> yes, fesh install from scratch this Jan
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2071 [13:45:22] <CuSn> *fresh
2072 [13:45:26] <TimurTheLame> Cyclohexane, seriously now, you should change your mirror
2073 [13:45:49] <userro> huh? I installed it directly no more than 10 days ago
2074 [13:46:03] <jelly> no you didn't
2075 [13:46:04] <Cyclohexane> TimurTheLame: how?
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2077 [13:46:13] <themill> dpkg: tell Cyclohexane about deb.debian.org
2078 [13:46:21] <jelly> userro: not with default jessie repos
2079 [13:46:22] <TimurTheLame> Cyclohexane, replaced-url
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2081 [13:46:40] <userro> kk
2082 [13:47:10] <userro> is that in backports?
2083 [13:47:14] <userro> jelly
2084 [13:47:33] <TimurTheLame> Cyclohexane, hmm, it seems like this package can do it for you netselect-apt
2085 [13:47:39] <jelly> userro: which debian release are you using? When answering people's queries be careful to look at the same release as them
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2087 [13:47:46] <lmw> Hi
2088 [13:47:51] <Cyclohexane> TimurTheLame: i'm already using the UK mirror?
2089 [13:48:01] <TimurTheLame> Cyclohexane, but you could manually edit the /etc/apt/sources.list file
2090 [13:48:19] <TimurTheLame> Cyclohexane, afaik, the one that you're using right now redirects you to other mirrors, so it might be buggy
2091 [13:48:19] <themill> Cyclohexane: as I already said a couple of times, pick a different mirror. deb.debian.org makes a good choice.
2092 [13:48:27] <themill> TimurTheLame: not correct
2093 [13:48:36] <userro> jelly, Jesse
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2096 [13:48:49] <lmw> I'm running Debian Jessie with the backported 4.9 kernel, and now I see my VGA controller only shows me its device number, does this mean it isn't supported (yet)?
2097 [13:48:52] <lmw> 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Device 5912 (rev 04)
2098 [13:48:56] <jelly> userro: "apt-cache policy packagename" and "apt-cache policy" will tell you where the package is available from, and settings of configured repos
2099 [13:49:38] <jelly> lmw: that just means the pci id database version in your distro does not have an entry for it
2100 [13:49:53] <lmw> But it's supported?
2101 [13:49:57] <lmw> How can I check this?
2102 [13:50:06] <userro> yeah got that from backports jelly
2103 [13:50:07] <jelly> lmw: can't be known from that info.
2104 [13:50:20] <lmw> jelly: What info do you need?
2105 [13:50:34] <Cyclohexane> themill: ok will let you know in 5mins
2106 [13:50:36] <jelly> lmw: "lspci -nn" line would be a good start
2107 [13:50:56] <lmw> jelly: 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Intel Corporation Device [8086:5912] (rev 04)
2108 [13:51:41] <Cyclohexane> themill: whelp.. as if by magic..
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2110 [13:51:46] <Cyclohexane> thanks
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2113 [13:52:10] <themill> Cyclohexane: filesystem corruption on that mirror. I don't think it has a happy disk...
2114 [13:52:15] <jelly> judd: pciid 8086:5912
2115 [13:52:16] <judd> [8086:5912] is 'Unknown device' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel modules 'ata_generic', 'snd-hda-intel' in jessie. See also replaced-url
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2118 [13:52:30] <Cyclohexane> themill: pretty slow too..
2119 [13:52:33] <jelly> judd: xorg 8086:5912
2120 [13:52:34] <judd> An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information.
2121 [13:52:53] <jelly> themill: judd xorg broken?
2122 [13:52:53] <lmw> lol
2123 [13:52:54] <userro> how to prevent guest architecture packages from modifying native architecture packages?
2124 [13:52:58] <themill> jelly: yes
2125 [13:53:02] <lmw> You have destroyed judd :P
2126 [13:53:20] * judd destroys lmw
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2128 [13:53:29] <lmw> :(
2129 [13:53:30] <jelly> mwahahaha.
2130 [13:53:41] <lmw> I'm a human, watch your bits
2131 [13:53:42] <lmw> :P
2132 [13:53:44] <userro> judd, sup
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2134 [13:54:02] <judd> the sky
2135 [13:54:17] <lmw> jelly: So no one knows if it's supported or now?
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2140 [13:55:12] <jelly> lmw: which cpu generation is it?
2141 [13:55:21] <jelly> (or which cpu)
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2143 [13:55:27] <jelly> (model)
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2145 [13:56:06] <lmw> jelly: i5-7500T
2146 [13:56:39] <jelly> kaby lake
2147 [13:56:59] <lmw> Yes
2148 [13:57:08] <jelly> lmw: try stretch (current debian testing; to become debian 9 once it's ready for release)
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2152 [13:57:46] <lmw> jelly: I did, but it shows me the same lspci info like in Jessie
2153 [13:58:29] <CuSn> Got an error on apt-update: Err replaced-url
2154 [13:58:29] <CuSn> sts/jessie/main/binary-amd64/Packages 404 Not Found
2155 [13:58:29] <jelly> lmw: but does X work
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2157 [13:58:35] <lmw> jelly: Yes
2158 [13:58:42] <jelly> then it works
2159 [13:58:54] <lmw> It could work with the vesa driver only ...
2160 [13:59:14] <jelly> lmw: /var/log/Xorg.0.log will tell you which driver is used
2161 [13:59:15] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
2162 [13:59:15] <themill> CuSn: your sources.list is full of crap that I wouldn't touch with a big pointy stick
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2165 [13:59:48] <CuSn> themill: what pastebin do you use?
2166 [13:59:52] <lmw> Hmm, it's using vesa
2167 [13:59:57] <lmw> jelly: ^
2168 [14:00:23] <Rembo> hello everyone, i'm getting this after php update: replaced-url
2169 [14:00:26] <lmw> brb
2170 [14:00:27] <jelly> lmw: then you're out of luck for now
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2172 [14:00:52] <lmw> back
2173 [14:01:25] <userro> please help me. replaced-url
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2175 [14:01:45] <lmw> jelly: Hmm, it looks so
2176 [14:01:58] <CuSn> themill: my sources.list replaced-url
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2181 [14:02:42] <themill> userro: what does "apt-get -f install" want to do? What's the output of "apt-cache policy libgcc1 libgcc1:amd64" ?
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2183 [14:03:11] <themill> CuSn: plus the PPAs.
2184 [14:03:26] <CuSn> themill: I don't understand
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2187 [14:03:51] <themill> Look at your own output
2188 [14:04:17] <CuSn> themill: the PPAs failed to install. they were 404
2189 [14:04:44] <themill> You don't install a repository.
2190 [14:04:53] <CuSn> themill: and they are not in the list in sources.list
2191 [14:04:59] <themill> yes they are
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2193 [14:05:06] <themill> unless you edited it in the last 5 mins
2194 [14:05:25] <CuSn> which lineis the PPS? replaced-url
2195 [14:05:29] <CuSn> PPAS
2196 [14:05:36] <themill> !show sources.list CuSn
2197 [14:05:36] <dpkg> CuSn: Please pastebin the contents of your /etc/apt/sources.list and /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*.list. The easiest way to do this is to pastebin the output of: head -v -n -0 /etc/apt/sources.list{,.d/*}
2198 [14:05:49] <CuSn> themill: replaced-url
2199 [14:05:53] <themill> no
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2202 [14:06:19] <CuSn> executing
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2205 [14:07:02] <CuSn> replaced-url
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2208 [14:08:17] <themill> there you go
2209 [14:08:37] <userro> themill, apt-get - f install libgcc1:amd64?
2210 [14:08:45] <themill> userro: no, apt-get -f install
2211 [14:08:56] <userro> nothing
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2213 [14:09:07] <themill> good start
2214 [14:09:25] <userro> it just reads and does nothing
2215 [14:09:57] <CuSn> themill: OK, what am I looking at? (been using Unix/Linux since 1980 but I'm not apt or repo literate, frankly clueless on this )
2216 [14:10:55] <themill> CuSn: there's nothing mysterious. Your error message lists repositories that are wrong. Your output lists them.
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2219 [14:11:27] <themill> I wouldn't be trusting deb-multimedia in there either
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2221 [14:12:44] <CuSn> themill: erk!
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2223 [14:13:07] <CuSn> well given the sinature aren't there inot trsting it is mandatory.
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2226 [14:13:30] <userro> themill, replaced-url
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2228 [14:13:43] <themill> CuSn: the repo is signed and you can import the key. the packages are crap and not needed
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2230 [14:14:17] <themill> userro: lovely mixture of slightly out of date sid and jessie there
2231 [14:14:24] <CuSn> how do you import a key?
2232 [14:14:43] <userro> what can I do about it?
2233 [14:14:46] <themill> CuSn: that website has instructions on how to use it should you actually need to. (do you?)
2234 [14:14:53] <themill> userro: either upgrade to stretch or reinstall
2235 [14:15:06] <CuSn> themill: my goal is to install ffmpeg. Is it needed for that?
2236 [14:15:10] <themill> no
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2238 [14:15:18] <CuSn> hokay...
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2240 [14:15:33] <userro> upgrading to stretch ended badly last time :(
2241 [14:15:42] <themill> CuSn: jessie-backports as described earlier
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2243 [14:16:07] <themill> userro: well if your collection of packages is in an inconsistent and fundamentally broken state to start with, the upgrade can be bumpy...
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2245 [14:16:44] <userro> true
2246 [14:17:06] <Diablo3511> whats the topic
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2248 [14:17:10] <mirazi_heket> hello, im on debian live 8.7 amd64, and im trying reduce LVM by removing one of two disks (there is enough space and it is experimental host so i can mess things up) - pvmove says LVM is in degraded MODE, how i can reinitiate LVM?
2249 [14:17:12] <userro> I got ffmpeg from backports
2250 [14:17:18] <userro> CuSn
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2254 [14:18:43] <themill> dpkg: tell CuSn about jessie-backports
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2257 [14:19:24] <jelly> mirazi_heket: ask in #lvm channel maybe
2258 [14:19:32] <mirazi_heket> jelly: ok thx
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2260 [14:19:48] <CuSn> themill: thanks, found it in the scrollback, despite my aging, watery eyes : -)
2261 [14:20:16] <themill> :)
2262 [14:21:19] <userro> themill, is there any way to fix it without upgrading or reinstalling?
2263 [14:21:20] <CuSn> themill: do you suggest removing >>> deb replaced-url
2264 [14:21:20] <CuSn> <<< from my sources.list?
2265 [14:21:38] <themill> yes. And that PPA
2266 [14:21:45] <CuSn> OK
2267 [14:21:46] <themill> dpkg: tell userro about partial downgrade
2268 [14:22:19] <themill> !not available
2269 [14:22:20] <dpkg> To get a list of packages you have installed now, that are not available from any repository in your sources.list: aptitude search '?narrow(?not(?archive("^[^n][^o].*$")),?version(CURRENT))'
2270 [14:22:31] <themill> userro: ^^ you an start with that to see how much work you've got to do
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2272 [14:23:22] <userro> wtf is that? :D
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2276 [14:23:46] <themill> an aptitude smiley
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2279 [14:24:47] <userro> lol
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2288 [14:29:42] <CuSn> themill: Is that some sort of query language embedded in aptitude search?
2289 [14:29:53] <themill> yes
2290 [14:30:01] <themill> !aptitude search
2291 [14:30:02] <dpkg> well, aptitude search is a powerful searching facility that by default only searches package names, but can be made to search priorities, installation status, dependencies etc. See /usr/share/doc/aptitude/html/en/ch02s04.html (aptitude-doc package), replaced-url
2292 [14:30:05] <CuSn> is it in the man page?
2293 [14:30:12] <CuSn> heh.
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2295 [14:30:21] <CuSn> I'm too slow! :-)
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2313 [14:38:54] <CuSn> themill: i have a working ffmpeg installed. Many thanks!
2314 [14:39:16] <themill> np
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2320 [14:42:34] <hoobaman> hi guys
2321 [14:42:51] <hoobaman> any pulp alike tool available for debian where i can lock/tag updates into a version?
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2340 [14:51:19] <injustice`> I'm using jessie. I want to create multiple persistent interfaces from a wireless card (as I would with `iw phy phy0 interface add...`). I'd also like for them to have distinct MAC addresses. How can I do this?
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2351 [14:55:45] <strk> for some reason sshd on Debian8 does not honour LANG env variable sent by ssh client, no matter if `AcceptEnv LANG LC_*` is set in /etc/ssh/sshd_config
2352 [14:55:48] <strk> instead, the LANG env is always found to be having the value specified in /etc/default/locale
2353 [14:55:55] <strk> ideas about why it it so ?
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2357 [14:56:52] <babilen> strk: Did you set None as default locale as recommended on replaced-url
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2368 [15:03:01] <nawk> hello
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2387 [15:10:22] <strk> babilen: thanks! trying now
2388 [15:11:16] <strk> ok babilen here's the thing: ther'es no None choice in the dialog-based configuration
2389 [15:11:39] <strk> which is what you get with the `dpkg-reconfigure locales` command as recommended on replaced-url
2390 [15:11:39] <dionysus69> how do I scan network that displays hostname next to ip address?
2391 [15:11:59] <strk> is there anything we can do to improve this ?
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2394 [15:13:07] <babilen> strk: Hmm, are you sure?
2395 [15:13:20] <strk> ok, then *next* screen, if I de-select the pre-selected languages, gives me the "None" option
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2397 [15:13:30] <strk> but I had to scroll down to look for what was selected
2398 [15:13:42] <strk> maybe that depends on the LANG you have set at the time
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2400 [15:13:57] <babilen> strk: You should be able to select whatever locales you want to generate and then select "None" as default locale in the next screen
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2404 [15:14:32] <babilen> And just to be clear: You'd do this on the remote server
2405 [15:14:34] <strk> the produced /etc/default/locale is #LANG=en_US.UTF-8
2406 [15:14:43] <strk> does it sound correct ? (just commented out what I had ?)
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2409 [15:15:04] <babilen> That doesn't sound too bad
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2412 [15:15:31] <strk> I unselected everything, and still got generated en_US.UTF-8 (which is ok to me)
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2415 [15:16:01] <babilen> There is a difference as to which locales are generated and the *default* locale setting
2416 [15:16:26] <babilen> Does SSH behave differently now? (migt want to restart the daemon, not sure if necessary though and would hope that it isn't)
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2418 [15:17:15] <strk> Yep, I confirm it works, can wish you happy π-day :)
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2420 [15:17:40] <babilen> Hooray! 2017-03-14 ftw :)
2421 [15:17:45] <strk> no need to restart because the previous setting also worked for me (the one you now see commented-out)
2422 [15:18:11] <strk> ok but let's reload to be sure
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2424 [15:18:25] <strk> still working :) π
2425 [15:18:43] <babilen> .oO( Add more Gin & Tonic )
2426 [15:18:46] <strk> so, enough for the party, back to other work, and thank you :)
2427 [15:18:52] <babilen> You are welcome
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2430 [15:19:29] <strk> anyway, I'm curious... why isn't the LANG sent by the *client* ssh used ?
2431 [15:19:47] <babilen> It's overridden by the default setting
2432 [15:19:48] <strk> which was the question I came in with...
2433 [15:20:03] <strk> it's counter-intuitive for a user-specified value to be *overridden* by a default
2434 [15:20:16] <squeeb_> Hi, how do I make sure a preseed script DOESN'T create a swap partition? I'm using this recipe to create a single lvm logical volume and format it replaced-url
2435 [15:20:19] <strk> defaults are meant to kick in when nobody specifies anything...
2436 [15:20:24] <babilen> If that wasn't the issue (I thought you had just confirmed that it works now) you should look into the SendEnv and AcceptEnv settings of the client and server respectively
2437 [15:20:40] <strk> I have AcceptEnv set to LANG LC_*
2438 [15:20:50] <squeeb_> But after reboot, there's a /dev/pve/swap_1 partition
2439 [15:20:52] <strk> so yes, that's the issue
2440 [15:21:13] <babilen> Just to clarify: You do *not* set a default locale and the server is *still* not accepting the settings sent by the client?
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2442 [15:21:29] <strk> where can I read more and eventually voice my disagreement on the override choice ? :)
2443 [15:21:37] <strk> oh this is a good question
2444 [15:21:41] <strk> let me check
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2448 [15:22:03] <strk> now it's honoured
2449 [15:22:03] <jelly> strk: probably source code of openssh portable :-|
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2451 [15:22:37] <babilen> strk: Wonderful .. I don't really know *why* it is like that, but your question simply rang a bell and I thought I mention the default locale thing
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2453 [15:23:31] <babilen> I mean it helps if you don't want to provide all the locales clients might connect with
2454 [15:23:39] <babilen> (who needs German anyway!?)
2455 [15:24:20] <strk> that sounds as a silly argument
2456 [15:24:32] <strk> I mean... a user is asking for a locale, and you give him another ?
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2459 [15:24:48] <strk> would just fail in a different way, but still fail
2460 [15:24:55] <babilen> I wouldn't (and don't) configure servers that way, but it is one use case that I can think of
2461 [15:25:30] <strk> I guess I just wasn't careful enough on some install or upgrade
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2465 [15:25:59] <strk> this was a preinstalled ovh.net host so not even sure it was me or someone else configuring it
2466 [15:26:04] <babilen> I don't think that many people understand or are aware of the effect that setting has in relation to SSH
2467 [15:26:17] <strk> I bet, talks about *default*
2468 [15:26:22] <strk> and then *enforces* something
2469 [15:26:25] <babilen> OVH really shouldn't configure their images like that
2470 [15:26:26] <strk> to me that's a bug and should be fixed
2471 [15:26:46] <sypher> OVH shouldn't do almost anything they do in the way that they do it.
2472 [15:26:52] <babilen> hahahaha
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2474 [15:27:14] <strk> a default is not enforced, by definition
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2550 [15:58:38] <moldy> hi
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2561 [16:02:20] <archer121__> I am having a very strange issue. I have a server with a website being hosted on both debian and ubuntu installed on the machine. The machine is given the same IP i both the OSes. The website is not accesseble outside the subnet on the debian machine, but works outside the subnet on the ubuntu OS. Is there some config in debian which restricts ports to the subnet? Other machines also show the same issue.
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2564 [16:03:29] <jelly> archer121__: verify network is confiogured correctly: default route, netmask, network address, not just ip
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2578 [16:12:40] <archer121__> jelly: My netmask is 255.255.255.0, network is 192.168.240.0, gateway is gateway 192.168.240.1, and address is address 192.168.240.167. Where can I find the default route?
2579 [16:13:03] <archer121__> I am reporting these values from /etc/network/interfaces
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2584 [16:15:47] <archer121__> All values except "network" looks okay, idk what this option is.
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2601 [16:22:38] <jelly> archer121__: gateway value is used for default route.
2602 [16:22:46] <jelly> archer121__: "ip r"
2603 [16:22:59] <jelly> to see current state of routing table
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2608 [16:23:40] <archer121__> jelly: This is what I get: 192.168.240.0/24 dev eth0 proto kernel scope link src 192.168.240.167
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2612 [16:25:10] <jelly> archer121__: is that all?
2613 [16:25:17] <jelly> archer121__: then you don't have a default route
2614 [16:25:26] <archer121__> nah, sorry, my mistake
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2616 [16:25:40] <archer121__> I missed the first line.
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2618 [16:26:03] <archer121__> replaced-url
2619 [16:26:31] <jelly> that looks fine
2620 [16:26:47] <jelly> archer121__: can you eg. "ping google.com" from that system?
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2625 [16:28:38] <seoner> Is there any minimum system requirements to use KDE?
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2628 [16:30:23] <jelly> archer121__: if you can, then network settings on that ssytem are probably fine. which network segment are you failing to connect from? How are you testing?
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2640 [16:33:25] <jhutchins_wk> seoner: 1Ghz, 512M, 2G disk.
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2642 [16:33:51] <jhutchins_wk> seoner: You will not be happy with those specs, but it can run.
2643 [16:34:06] <seoner> jhutchins_wk: What about graphic card?
2644 [16:34:07] <archer121__> jelly: I can ping fine. I cannot connect from any other subnets. I am testing my connecting to a server in a different subnet and using w3m to connect to my server.
2645 [16:34:19] <archer121__> s/my/by
2646 [16:34:20] <babilen> seoner: Which hardware do you have available?
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2648 [16:34:51] <jhutchins_wk> seoner: Graphics card capable of 1024x768 resolution (if using VDPAU, 256MB minimum)
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2651 [16:35:07] <jelly> archer121__: which exact IP are you connecting from? What's the command line used? What's the network config there and do any of the routers in between do NAT?
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2653 [16:35:29] <jhutchins_wk> seoner: I've run it at lower resolution than that, but that was pre-4.
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2657 [16:36:29] <seoner> jhutchins_wk:ok thank you
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2665 [16:38:16] <archer121__> I am trying to connect to 192.168.240.11 from 192.168.40.99.
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2669 [16:39:45] <archer121__> The command used is `w3m replaced-url
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2671 [16:40:02] <jelly> archer121__: is it 192.168.240.11 or 192.168.240.167 ?
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2674 [16:40:20] <seoner> Will my computer become slower with encrypted LVM?
2675 [16:40:27] <jelly> archer121__: your info showed 192.168.240.167 for the web server, above
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2677 [16:41:15] <petn-randall> seoner: Not noticebly if your CPU supports AESNI, which most current processors do.
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2681 [16:41:36] <archer121__> jelly: Sorry for the confusion, 192.168.240.167 has debian alone, so I cannot test with Ubuntu. 192.168.240.11 has both debian and ubuntu installed.
2682 [16:42:02] <archer121__> The way I see it, debian systems from my subnet are not accessable from outside, for some reason.
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2684 [16:42:40] <teraflops> seoner: it depends on your processor CPU mainly
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2686 [16:43:17] <jelly> archer121__: so which one is the right address for the web server?
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2691 [16:43:50] <archer121__> 192.168.240.11
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2694 [16:45:14] <seoner> petn-randall: How do I know if my CPU supports AESNI?
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2696 [16:45:45] <archer121__> though both my debian systems (192.168.240.11 and 192.168.240.167) have the same issue.
2697 [16:45:49] <teraflops> seoner: grep aes /proc/cpuinfo
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2702 [16:47:54] <seoner> teraflops: and if no output?
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2705 [16:48:16] <teraflops> no support?
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2707 [16:48:36] <teraflops> seoner: which cpu there?
2708 [16:48:54] <seoner> teraflops: so if there is output then it supports AESNI?
2709 [16:49:14] <teraflops> yes^
2710 [16:49:42] <seoner> Why is there no encryption options without LVM in the installation?
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2713 [16:49:59] <squeeb_> Does anyone know where `/dev/mapper/vg-swap_1` comes from during a preseed?
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2715 [16:50:16] <squeeb_> I've explicitly set it to make two LVs and yet it keeps making more
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2717 [16:50:33] <seoner> Why does it have to be LVN?
2718 [16:50:43] <petn-randall> seoner: Because it only makes sense in borderline cases.
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2722 [16:51:30] <petn-randall> seoner: The only case it would be the same is if you had a single partition without swap. In all other cases you'd end up with multiple LUKS volumes and multiple passwords to type.
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2724 [16:51:54] <petn-randall> seoner: Which doesn't improve security but improves the chances of password fatigue and user error.
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2741 [16:58:19] <BluesKaj> jelly, are there any PIA VPN servers that aren't blocked when i try to connect to debian wiki sites like this one? replaced-url
2742 [16:58:47] <seoner> petn-randall: Does the encryption provide AES+XTS or what else?
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2746 [16:59:22] <jelly> BluesKaj: no idea, that usually happens if your range is on a blacklist due to abuse (spam)
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2750 [17:00:00] <BluesKaj> jelly, yes, I'm aware , just wondered if all PIA servers are blocked
2751 [17:00:49] <jelly> BluesKaj: only debian wiki team knows?
2752 [17:01:01] <BluesKaj> ok anyway , BBL.
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2756 [17:02:27] <petn-randall> seoner: It's whatever the defaults of cryptsetup are.
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2760 [17:03:47] <seoner> petn-randall: So if I install debian with encrypted LVM, What encryption will it use?
2761 [17:04:11] <petn-randall> seoner: Look it up, I don't know it off the top of my head.
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2768 [17:06:01] <OerHeks> replaced-url
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2773 [17:07:18] <jhutchins_wk> I thought good practice recommended encrypting swap.
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2872 [17:48:30] <wppp> not trying to be trolly here - but ferm is so much better than this iptables stuff :P
2873 [17:48:35] <wppp> I know, both use netfilter
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2876 [17:49:47] <babilen> ...
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2879 [17:51:48] <jelly> wppp: of course, one is a higher level wrapper for multiple tools, one is a lower level tool
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2881 [17:52:28] <jelly> apples and orange pies
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2883 [17:52:38] <wppp> hm
2884 [17:52:44] <wppp> I had pain with iptables :/
2885 [17:52:50] <squeeb_> There's so many now, csf / ferm / ufw
2886 [17:52:53] <squeeb_> apf .
2887 [17:52:55] <jelly> wppp: do you have a debian support question?
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2892 [17:53:27] <jelly> if not, perhaps you wanted #debian-offtopic channel instead
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2900 [17:55:03] <hiya> jelly, my laptop's performance has gone bad all of a sudden, the pointer lags and freezes
2901 [17:55:03] <jelly> !next
2902 [17:55:03] <dpkg> Another happy customer leaves the building.
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2907 [17:56:21] <jhutchins_wk> hiya: replaced-url
2908 [17:56:23] <lmw> ACPI Error: [\_SB_.PCI0.XHC_.RHUB.HS11] Namespace lookup failure, AE_NOT_FOUND (20160930/dswload-210)
2909 [17:56:25] <jelly> hiya: start by inspecting resource issues (enough RAM, active swapping? disk i/o?)
2910 [17:56:26] <lmw> Any solution?
2911 [17:56:38] <jelly> lmw: what's the problem?
2912 [17:56:45] <lmw> jelly: idk, I just get the kernel log
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2915 [17:56:57] <jelly> lmw: does anything fail to work because of that?
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2917 [17:57:12] <lmw> My power LED blinks red when I shutdown
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2920 [17:57:23] <jelly> lmw: is that a bug or a feature?
2921 [17:57:54] <lmw> doesn't looks normal, ASUS said it means a firmware failure, but it's healthly, already updated it etc
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2925 [17:58:37] <jelly> I guess you'll have to take it up with the hw vendor
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2928 [17:59:38] <jelly> that acpi error doesn't mean much on its own -- it means acpi interpreter found something weird in acpi bios, but does not necessarily mean something broke
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2938 [18:02:47] <hiya> jelly, I think it is owing to the bad sectors of disk or maybe because I am using Full disk encryption
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2946 [18:04:05] <jelly> hiya: don't think. Look at the numbers, instead.
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2964 [18:12:36] <hiya> jelly, number of what?
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2972 [18:14:40] <jelly> hiya: start by inspecting resource issues (enough RAM, active swapping? disk i/o?)
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2974 [18:15:13] <jelly> kernel logs suggesting disk issues?
2975 [18:15:36] <jelly> cpu% spent on what?
2976 [18:15:40] <jelly> that sort of thing
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2979 [18:16:12] <hiya> jelly, CPU is not being used much
2980 [18:16:14] <hiya> and so is RAM
2981 [18:16:25] <hiya> I would have to bring kernel logs
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3017 [18:30:50] <quesada> how's multitouch in linux nowadays?
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3023 [18:32:30] <cerealkill3r> Hi everyone, I have a problem with my wifi ( lspci shows 02:00.0 Network controller: Qualcomm Atheros Device 0042 (rev 30) ). I think I need to install drivers for it ( running on Jessie with 3.16 Kernel )
3024 [18:33:14] <mtn> cerealkill3r: did you install the atheros firmware package?
3025 [18:33:20] <petn-randall> cerealkill3r: I'm guessing you're missing the firmware. In the output of 'dmesg', is there any mentioning of missing firmware?
3026 [18:33:35] <cerealkill3r> mtn, Yes i did
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3033 [18:35:21] <cerealkill3r> petn-randall, Right now I'm connected through with an external wifi adapter. I'm gonna show you the output of dmesg on pastebin right now
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3036 [18:35:59] <petn-randall> cerealkill3r: replaced-url
3037 [18:36:13] <cerealkill3r> petn-randall, replaced-url
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3039 [18:37:03] <cerealkill3r> petn-randall, I have a hard time figuring out what I have to do in order for it to work, I tried installing the atheros firmware package, but that didn't work out
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3051 [18:39:51] <petn-randall> cerealkill3r: Looks like the kernel doesn't even attempt to load the module for your wifi. I'd check if you can enable it somehow via some switch. If that doesn't work, I'd try a newer kernel from jessie-backports
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3053 [18:40:23] <cerealkill3r> petn-randall, Last night I attempted to upgrade my kernel to 4.9 and that was a bad idea, it didn't boot afterwards xD
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3055 [18:41:09] <petn-randall> cerealkill3r: Worst case you just have to select the older kernel from grub, shouldn't be that disruptive.
3056 [18:41:47] <cerealkill3r> petn-randall, When you say "some switch" are you referring to a switch in the UI?
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3059 [18:43:30] <quesada> I only get one finger on a multitouch screen. I'm not sure I'm missing drivers, or config, or this is the state of screen multitouch in linux
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3062 [18:43:43] <mtn> cerealkill3r: install inxi and the run: inxi -Nnxx paste the results to dpaste.com
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3064 [18:45:24] <cerealkill3r> mtn, replaced-url
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3066 [18:45:55] <cerealkill3r> mtn, The second one is my external wifi adapter which I use to connect to, the first one is the one not working
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3068 [18:47:00] <mtn> cerealkill3r: neither card 3 or 4 are working.
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3073 [18:49:10] <petn-randall> cerealkill3r: I mean a physical switch, if there is one. Most thinkpads for example have a physical switch on the side to activate the wifi, or a keyboard combo to enable it.
3074 [18:49:39] <mtn> cerealkill3r: definitely try the kernel from backports
3075 [18:49:46] <cerealkill3r> petn-randall, That would be dump if that was the issue, I will try now
3076 [18:50:25] <cerealkill3r> mtn, I tried 4.9 last night and it wouldnt work, would upgrading to something older work?
3077 [18:50:27] <petn-randall> cerealkill3r: I won't necessarily fix it, but it would tell in dmesg which firmware it was trying to load.
3078 [18:50:41] <petn-randall> cerealkill3r: I'd retry 4.9 and we can debug any issue you're seeing.
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3081 [18:51:13] <cerealkill3r> petn-randall, Thank you, I'll first try to see about the physical switch for a minute, then we could do that
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3086 [18:54:34] <cerealkill3r> petn-randall, Yeah, can't find anything about the switch, It's a lenovo e31-80
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3089 [18:55:06] <cerealkill3r> I could try to upgrade the kernel, but I'm gonnna have trouble with it and it would be kind of hard since I'm a newbie
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3093 [18:56:48] <petn-randall> cerealkill3r: Don't worry, if it doesn't boot cleanly, just turn it off, then when it boots hit the escape key in grub and select the 3.16 kernel.
3094 [18:57:08] <cerealkill3r> petn-randall, Alright, thank you :)
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3102 [18:58:15] <cerealkill3r> petn-randall, Added the backports to my sources.list, but what's the command for upgrading?
3103 [18:58:23] <petn-randall> ,kernels
3104 [18:58:24] <judd> Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.10.0-rc6-686-pae (4.10~rc6-1~exp2); sid: 4.9.0-2-686 (4.9.13-1); stretch: 4.9.0-2-686 (4.9.13-1); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.2-686-pae (4.9.13-1~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.39-1+deb8u2); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.86-1)
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3107 [18:59:13] <Chris-Pc> salut
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3111 [18:59:23] <Chris-Pc> salut c est un peux tard mais y a t il encore quelqu un pour me guider pour la mise a jour de php sur une debian
3112 [18:59:31] <greycat> !fr
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3114 [18:59:32] <dpkg> Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debianfr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debianfr.
3115 [18:59:32] <petn-randall> !fr
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3117 [19:00:08] <Chris-Pc> merci
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3122 [19:01:35] <jhutchins_wk> cerealkill3r: Instructions can be found on the backports webpage.
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3125 [19:02:13] <jhutchins_wk> ,pciid 168c:0042
3126 [19:02:14] <judd> [168c:0042] is 'QCA9377 802.11ac Wireless Network Adapter' from 'Qualcomm Atheros' with no known kernel module in jessie or in sid. See also replaced-url
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3128 [19:02:46] <cerealkill3r> jhutchins_wk, ?
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3130 [19:03:50] <cerealkill3r> jhutchins_wk, Is there no module for my card ?
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3134 [19:04:44] <jhutchins_wk> cerealkill3r: Looks like it was added ~4.4, so the backport kernel should support it. I don't think judd checks backports, not sure why it says it's not in sid. Definitely worth a try.
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3137 [19:05:03] <cerealkill3r> jhutchins_wk, Thank you so much
3138 [19:05:23] <cerealkill3r> Should I try to upgrade straight to 4.9?
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3140 [19:05:29] <cerealkill3r> Or just 4.4
3141 [19:05:44] <greycat> There's no 4.4 kernels in Debian. Just 4.9.
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3143 [19:06:18] <greycat> See judd's response to ,kernels up there a few minutes back.
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3148 [19:07:23] <jhutchins_wk> cerealkill3r: You will probably need the firmware from backports as well.
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3151 [19:08:02] <jhutchins_wk> cerealkill3r: Usually if something is "fixed" in a certain version of the kernel, it stays fixed in later versions.
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3153 [19:08:18] <cerealkill3r> jhutchins_wk, I'm kind of lost. The command for upgrading would be apt-get install -t jessie-backports ( and then ? )
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3155 [19:08:25] <jhutchins_wk> cerealkill3r: So 4.9 should include any support that was merged into 4.4.
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3157 [19:09:15] <jhutchins_wk> cerealkill3r: Something like apt install -t jessie-backports linux-image-amd64
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3160 [19:10:05] <cerealkill3r> jhutchins_wk, Oky, doing it right now. Would you like me to pastebin the output of that?
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3162 [19:10:15] <cerealkill3r> As it gave some possible missing firmware warnings
3163 [19:10:18] <jhutchins_wk> cerealkill3r: apt/aptitude/apt-get update first of course.
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3166 [19:10:57] <jhutchins_wk> cerealkill3r: Are the firmware warnings relevant?
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3169 [19:11:15] <cerealkill3r> jhutchins_wk, Don't think so, here's the ouptut : replaced-url
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3174 [19:12:19] <cerealkill3r> jhutchins_wk, I'm gonna reboot it now and see if it works.
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3181 [19:15:37] <jhutchins_wk> cerealkill3r: Those warnings are for realtek cards.
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3183 [19:15:47] <cerealkill3r> jhutchins_wk, So, I upgraded the kernel, it doesnt boot, I'm back to 3.16 right now
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3185 [19:16:26] <cerealkill3r> I got two failed to load errors when it tried to boot
3186 [19:16:46] <jhutchins_wk> cerealkill3r: Next step is to figure out why 4.9 isn't booting.
3187 [19:17:05] <cerealkill3r> jhutchins_wk, Ok, Are there any log files anywhere pointing to that?
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3189 [19:17:26] <jhutchins_wk> cerealkill3r: They usually get overwritten by the next (successful) boot.
3190 [19:17:44] <cerealkill3r> jhutchins_wk, Oh, ok, what would be the next step?
3191 [19:17:53] <jhutchins_wk> cerealkill3r: I would try booting into rescue mode or multi-user.target - no GUI.
3192 [19:18:05] <jhutchins_wk> !rescue mode
3193 [19:18:06] <dpkg> Debian-Installer has a recovery ('rescue') mode, which can be used to reinstall the GRUB or LILO boot loaders. See section 8.7 of the Installation Guide ("Recovering a Broken System") for more details; ask me about <install guide>.
3194 [19:18:29] <greycat> "Where's the Installation Guide"
3195 [19:18:34] <cerealkill3r> jhutchins_wk, rescue mode of the 4.9 kernel, right?
3196 [19:19:07] <jhutchins_wk> cerealkill3r: I think so, I haven't had to use that very often. Do you know how to do that?
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3198 [19:19:22] <cerealkill3r> jhutchins_wk, Yes, but what should i do once there?
3199 [19:19:59] <jhutchins_wk> cerealkill3r: Figure out what isn't loading, like maybe there's a problem with the graphics drivers. Have you installed any special driver for the graphics?
3200 [19:20:21] <cerealkill3r> jhutchins_wk, No
3201 [19:20:30] <greycat> dpkg, rescue mode =~ s#Installation Guide#<install guide>#
3202 [19:20:30] <dpkg> greycat: OK
3203 [19:20:33] <jhutchins_wk> cerealkill3r: You also haven't described what happens when it "doesn't boot".
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3205 [19:20:57] <greycat> dpkg, rescue mode =~ s#; ask me about <install guide>.#: replaced-url
3206 [19:20:57] <dpkg> greycat: OK
3207 [19:21:19] <cerealkill3r> jhutchins_wk, It gives me two missing firmware warnings and doesnt do anything than that. I can change the tty to another one and that works
3208 [19:22:00] <jhutchins_wk> cerealkill3r: Excellent. Are the firmware warnings for hardware you actually have or are they for the realtek stuff again?
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3211 [19:22:46] <cerealkill3r> jhutchins_wk, One of them is ath_9k_htc ( that would most likely be my not working network card ) and one of them is rtl_nic
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3215 [19:24:05] <jhutchins_wk> ,v firmware-linux-nonfree
3216 [19:24:06] <judd> Package: firmware-linux-nonfree on amd64 -- wheezy/non-free: 0.36+wheezy.1; wheezy-backports/non-free: 0.43~bpo70+1; jessie/non-free: 0.43; jessie-backports/non-free: 20161130-2~bpo8+1; stretch/non-free: 20161130-2; sid/non-free: 20161130-2
3217 [19:24:29] <jhutchins_wk> cerealkill3r: Install that from backports.
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3220 [19:24:44] <cerealkill3r> jhutchins_wk, Both of them?
3221 [19:25:18] <cerealkill3r> Sorry, you meant firmware-linux
3222 [19:25:35] <jhutchins_wk> cerealkill3r: I think firmware-linux-nonfree includes both of them. I'm not sure what's in -nonfree vs. -free vs. firmware-linux.
3223 [19:25:59] <greycat> If it's a wireless card, bet money it's in -nonfree.
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3225 [19:26:05] <petn-randall> firmware-linux just depends on both *-nonfree and *-free.
3226 [19:26:23] <jhutchins_wk> Yeah, that's what's usually recommended.
3227 [19:26:32] <petn-randall> and they in turn just depend on all the respective free/non-free firmware packages.
3228 [19:26:37] <jhutchins_wk> petn-randall: Ah, so it gets all of the files.
3229 [19:26:47] <cerealkill3r> jhutchins_wk, Alright, I installed that module, should i reboot and try the 4.9 kernel again?
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3231 [19:26:59] <jhutchins_wk> ,v firmware-linux
3232 [19:27:00] <judd> Package: firmware-linux on amd64 -- wheezy/non-free: 0.36+wheezy.1; wheezy-backports/non-free: 0.43~bpo70+1; jessie/non-free: 0.43; jessie-backports/non-free: 20161130-2~bpo8+1; stretch/non-free: 20161130-2; sid/non-free: 20161130-2
3233 [19:27:24] <cerealkill3r> jhutchins_wk, Should i install firmware-linux too?
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3235 [19:27:45] <jhutchins_wk> cerealkill3r: That would pull in everything at the cost of a little disk space (not much).
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3237 [19:27:53] <greycat> Shouldn't hurt.
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3239 [19:28:08] <cerealkill3r> jhutchins_wk, Great, shall I try to reboot into 4.9 again?
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3241 [19:28:25] <jhutchins_wk> cerealkill3r: Yes. Possibly to rescue mode as you saw messages that way.
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3243 [19:28:40] <petn-randall> cerealkill3r: When everythin is installed, give it a go. Remember, you can go back to the older kernel in grub.
3244 [19:28:44] <cerealkill3r> jhutchins_wk, I saw messages when I booted into normal mode
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3248 [19:29:22] <kion> what is the right procedure to upgrade from jessie to stretch?
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3251 [19:29:51] <greycat> dpkg, jessie->stretch
3252 [19:29:51] <dpkg> First, understand that testing is a pre-release distribution without timely security support and that you will have a bumpy ride; ask me about <moving target> <testing> <testing security>. From /etc/apt/sources.list, remove stable-specific lines like jessie-updates and backports, and change jessie to stretch. apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade. If you feel you need more instructions, perhaps you should wait a while.
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3254 [19:29:57] <jhutchins_wk> cereal_poster: Ah, normal it is then.
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3256 [19:30:13] <jhutchins_wk> afk for a moment.
3257 [19:30:22] <cereal_poster> jhutchins_wk, hi
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3268 [19:34:36] <cerealkill3r> Ok so, didn't work. But i saved the log to a text file while in recovery mode
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3275 [19:37:00] <jhutchins_wk> back
3276 [19:37:18] <jhutchins_wk> cerealkill3r: You saved dmesg?
3277 [19:37:25] <jhutchins_wk> cereal_poster: Oops.
3278 [19:37:34] <cereal_poster> no problem
3279 [19:37:44] <cerealkill3r> jhutchins_wk, replaced-url
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3283 [19:38:30] <cerealkill3r> cerealkill3r, journalctl output
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3293 [19:42:20] <kion> If I am running jessie and install one stretch package via dpkg -i, will it cause problems when upgrading to stretch?
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3295 [19:43:20] <greycat> It will cause problems *now*.
3296 [19:43:27] <greycat> !don't break debian
3297 [19:43:27] <dpkg> it has been said that dont break debian is replaced-url
3298 [19:43:30] <jhutchins_wk> cerealkill3r: Looks remarkably clean.
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3300 [19:44:35] <cerealkill3r> jhutchins_wk, Why would it not boot then? ( the ath_9k error is still there, the other one got fixed by installing linux-firmware-nonfree)
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3307 [19:45:58] <kion> greycat, I understand it is not the best option but I need to work with a package that does not exist in jessie and exists in stretch... what should I do?
3308 [19:46:18] <greycat> Does it not exist in jessie-backports? Which package?
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3315 [19:47:40] <jhutchins_wk> cerealkill3r: It _is_ booting, it appears to just not be loading the GUI.
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3317 [19:47:52] <cerealkill3r> jhutchins_wk, should i try startx?
3318 [19:47:59] <cerealkill3r> from another tty
3319 [19:48:19] <jhutchins_wk> cerealkill3r: I'm not sure of the difference between the journal and dmesg, dmesg may provide some hints; also /var/log/Xorg.0.log if it's getting that far.
3320 [19:48:43] <cerealkill3r> jhutchins_wk, Should i try that again and give you the output of dmesg?
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3328 [19:50:53] <kion> greycat, the package name is calculix I don't think there is a backport for it
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3330 [19:51:49] <greycat> ,v calculix
3331 [19:51:50] <judd> No package named 'calculix' was found in amd64.
3332 [19:51:59] <greycat> Is it a non-Debian package?
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3336 [19:52:58] <kion> greycat, sorry try calculix-ccx
3337 [19:53:06] <greycat> ,v calculix-ccx
3338 [19:53:07] <judd> Package: calculix-ccx on amd64 -- sid: 2.11-1; stretch: 2.11-1
3339 [19:53:16] <greycat> ,depends calculix-ccx
3340 [19:53:17] <judd> No package named 'calculix-ccx' was found in jessie/amd64.
3341 [19:53:24] <greycat> ,depends calculix-ccx --release stretch
3342 [19:53:25] <judd> Package calculix-ccx in stretch/amd64 -- depends: libarpack2 (>= 2.1), libblas3 | libblas.so.3, libc6 (>= 2.14), libgcc1 (>= 1:4.0), libgfortran3 (>= 4.6), libgomp1 (>= 4.9), liblapack3 | liblapack.so.3, libquadmath0 (>= 4.6), libspooles2.2.
3343 [19:54:21] <greycat> ,checkbackport calculix-ccx
3344 [19:54:22] <judd> Backporting package calculix-ccx in sid→jessie/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using jessie.
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3346 [19:54:43] <jhutchins_wk> Sorry, real life.
3347 [19:54:46] <greycat> Best bet is to try building your own backport (/msg dpkg simple sid backport)
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3350 [19:55:24] <kion> greycat, ok, I will try building my own backport
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3357 [19:59:27] <cerealkill3r> jhutchins_wk, So, here's the output of dmesg replaced-url
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3368 [20:03:11] <jhutchins_wk> cerealkill3r: Not easy to parse it all, is it?
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3370 [20:03:29] <jhutchins_wk> cerealkill3r: I see a couple of firmware errrors, realtek and atheros. Do you have either of those?
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3373 [20:03:41] <cerealkill3r> jhutchins_wk, Atheros
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3376 [20:06:03] <JyZyXEL> how do i prevent Xorg from starting from kernel cmd?
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3378 [20:06:16] <JyZyXEL> it immediately crashes the system when kdm tries to start
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3381 [20:06:34] <greycat> !nodm
3382 [20:06:34] <dpkg> In systemd, "systemctl set-default multi-user.target", or remove the DM package(s) with "aptitude remove gdm3 kdm lightdm lxdm nodm sddm slim wdm xdm". "echo false >/etc/X11/default-display-manager" will also disable the DM, or just hit ctrl-alt-fN to get to a console. nodm is the name of a minimal/automatic display manager (replaced-url
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3386 [20:06:53] <JyZyXEL> i need to do it from kernel cmd line though
3387 [20:07:03] <greycat> There's a way to specify the systemd target from grub but I don't know it off the top of my head.
3388 [20:07:24] <JyZyXEL> i don't have a web browser that i could use to check
3389 [20:07:26] <sypher> add 'systemd.unit=<whatever>.target'
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3392 [20:07:43] <JyZyXEL> what is the target without kdm?
3393 [20:07:48] <greycat> multi-user.target
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3395 [20:08:25] <JyZyXEL> also blacklisting the radeon driver would probably take care of this
3396 [20:08:36] <JyZyXEL> i wonder if there is such a option in the kernel?
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3406 [20:11:11] <bofh_omega> hi, the package mythtv-frontend is missing now since ~3weeks but its still refered by mythtv-backend and mythtv-common anyone aware of the issue, and if not whats the best place to report
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3408 [20:11:52] <JyZyXEL> multiuser target crashes too
3409 [20:11:55] <bofh_omega> debian version 9 unstable (just to mention)
3410 [20:12:08] <JyZyXEL> how do i blacklist the radeon/amdgpu driver from the kernel cmdline?
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3416 [20:14:01] <GNU\colossus> JyZyXEL, "modprobe.blacklist=radeon" on the kernel cmdline should do it I think
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3420 [20:14:51] <JyZyXEL> modprobe.blacklist=radeon,amdgpu?
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3422 [20:15:22] <cerealkill3r> jhutchins_wk, Do you have any clue as of why it isn't starting my GUI ? I tried running startx from another tty and that worked
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3425 [20:15:29] <cerealkill3r> I mean that didn't work*
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3440 [20:19:33] <bofh_omega> cerealkill3r startx -- :1 ? (another X already running?)
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3444 [20:20:52] <cerealkill3r> bofh_omega, Let me see
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3468 [20:27:45] <cerealkill3r> So, startx output is something like : xauth: file /home/alex/.Xauthority does not exist
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3472 [20:28:18] <greycat> Have you somehow mangled the permissions on /home/alex/ or on /home/alex/.Xauthority so that it can't be created?
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3475 [20:28:41] <cerealkill3r> greycat, I don't know. It doesn't work with the new kernel I just upgraded to
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3479 [20:29:24] <greycat> startx is supposed to create ~/.Xauthority in order to hold your MIT-magic-cookie
3480 [20:29:26] <jhutchins_wk> cerealkill3r: Sorry, we've got a multi-state outage running. I'm not on it, but I'm running rumors for people.
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3482 [20:29:49] <cerealkill3r> jhutchins_wk, Sorry, what do you mean?
3483 [20:29:56] <jhutchins_wk> cerealkill3r: Have we established that you can still boot to the 3.x kernel?
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3487 [20:30:11] <cerealkill3r> jhutchins_wk, I can still boot well with the 3.x kernel
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3489 [20:30:23] <jhutchins_wk> cerealkill3r: I didn't see any significant errors in either your journal or your dmesg. Did you look at Xorg.0.log?
3490 [20:30:39] <cerealkill3r> jhutchins_wk, No, shall i post the output of that right now?
3491 [20:30:51] <cerealkill3r> Or do i need to do that while trying to boot with the 4.x kernel
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3494 [20:31:31] <jhutchins_wk> cerealkill3r: First you should scan through it and look for errors (EE), see if you can understand what it's saying about why you don't see the desktop.
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3498 [20:32:21] <jhutchins_wk> cerealkill3r: Also, as greycat suggested, double check the ownership and permissions of the files in $HOME - especially hidden files like .Xauthority
3499 [20:32:40] <greycat> And the directory itself.
3500 [20:32:41] <jhutchins_wk> cerealkill3r: Is your system set up to automatically log alex in?
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3503 [20:33:31] <JyZyXEL> it's weird how often ~/.zsh_history is able to corrupt itself when the system deadlocks
3504 [20:33:50] <JyZyXEL> i've had to many times manually fix it afterwards, removing all the corruption by eye
3505 [20:34:08] <cerealkill3r> jhutchins_wk, No, it is not, I have to enter the password before logging in, alex has rw permissions of .Xauthority
3506 [20:34:25] <cerealkill3r> it's also owned by the same user
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3509 [20:35:41] <greycat> OK, maybe the error is just random noise and should be ignored. That happens in Linuxland sometimes.
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3511 [20:36:12] <cerealkill3r> greycat, I still don't get as of why my GUI isn't loading
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3515 [20:37:49] <cerealkill3r> I don't know if it's linked to this, but my font and UI are pretty small, It may be related to the graphics drivers?
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3528 [20:42:12] <jhutchins_wk> cerealkill3r: So with the 4.9 kernel you don't get the login screen or anything, just black, right?
3529 [20:42:14] <wppp> So when "mail" and "postmaster" aren't already reserved user names - what can I use instead for managing the mail stuff? :)
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3532 [20:42:52] <greycat> wppp: you should start with /etc/aliases
3533 [20:42:58] <jhutchins_wk> cerealkill3r: If you look through the previous logs you'll see that it's running a color framebuffer console.
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3535 [20:43:20] <jhutchins_wk> cerealkill3r: That's often configured for unusably small fonts with the assumption that "nobody uses the CLI any more".
3536 [20:43:22] <wppp> greycat: pardon my ignorance but there is no /etc/aliases :/
3537 [20:43:25] <cerealkill3r> jhutchins_wk, Yes, and when i change the tty and try to startx it gives some fatal server error, no screens found,
3538 [20:43:37] <cerealkill3r> could this be it?
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3540 [20:43:41] <wppp> oh, I use ubuntu, maybe this is the reason? I use ubuntu and debian a lot and are very similar
3541 [20:44:01] <jhutchins_wk> wppp: Also very different.
3542 [20:44:12] <greycat> wppp: go to #ubuntu
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3544 [20:44:43] <jhutchins_wk> wppp: /etc/aliases is the standard file that says "deliver messages for root and postmaster to wppp".
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3546 [20:45:05] <jhutchins_wk> wppp: Some mailers store it in the /etc/<MTA> directory.
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3548 [20:45:33] <greycat> I've seen /etc/mail/aliases before
3549 [20:45:38] <jhutchins_wk> wppp: You'll need to ask #ubuntu what the default mailer is and where it keeps it's aliases.
3550 [20:45:42] <wppp> thanks
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3555 [20:49:06] <cerealkill3r> jhutchins_wk, I think startx isnt working because the no screens found error, but I dont know what should i do
3556 [20:49:26] <greycat> usually at that point you read /var/log/Xorg.0.log
3557 [20:50:10] <cerealkill3r> greycat, I don't know what I'm looking for
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3561 [20:51:17] <cerealkill3r> This is my Xorg.0.log replaced-url
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3590 [20:59:42] <CLY> hi
3591 [20:59:45] <michelb_> hi
3592 [20:59:57] <CLY> how are you
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3594 [21:00:34] <michelb_> fine thanks iam new at linux and am hoping to find an answer to my question :)
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3597 [21:00:43] <cerealkill3r> greycat, Should i try to find a driver for my graphics card? ( lspci says 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Device 1916 (rev 07) )
3598 [21:01:01] <CLY> what is your question
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3601 [21:01:35] <greycat> cerealkill3r: lspci -nn | grep VGA
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3603 [21:02:16] <michelb_> i started a vps and added a user and afterwords i addes the user to the ou 0 group so now my normal user is root with an uid0 i can't find a command to undo this
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3605 [21:02:42] <cerealkill3r> greycat, 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Intel Corporation Device [8086:1916] (rev 07)
3606 [21:02:47] <greycat> michelb_: vipw, vigr
3607 [21:02:52] <jhutchins_wk> greycat: Keep in mind his video works with 3.x
3608 [21:02:53] <greycat> ,pciid 8086:1916
3609 [21:02:54] <judd> [8086:1916] is 'HD Graphics 520' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel modules 'ata_generic', 'snd-hda-intel' in jessie. See also replaced-url
3610 [21:03:19] <greycat> That URL says it's a skylake thing.
3611 [21:03:41] <michelb_> greycat: does that also removes any ohter user files in other dir's?
3612 [21:03:53] <CLY> how i can encrypt my hard disk i use kali linux
3613 [21:03:54] <greycat> michelb_: No, it will not change ownerships or permissions.
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3615 [21:04:08] <greycat> Nor will it remove any files, or create any files.
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3618 [21:04:49] <cerealkill3r> jhutchins_wk, Yes, it does work with 3.x, a bit strange ( small font and UI )
3619 [21:05:05] <michelb_> i find it weird dot understand cause there is only one root user! right? so may is assume that i made my user a root user alias or something like that?
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3622 [21:05:23] <CLY> i want to encrypt my hard disk
3623 [21:05:25] <CLY> how ?????????/
3624 [21:05:28] <greycat> michelb_: no, there can be as many superusers as you want.
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3626 [21:05:56] <greycat> michelb_: if you have somehow accidentally changed your account's UID from 1000 (or whatever) to 0, then you should change it back. This is in the passwd file.
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3629 [21:07:41] <jelly> dpkg, tell CLY about kali
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3631 [21:08:32] <michelb_> greycat: but a superuser is not the same as a root user!! a superuser is via sudo no? or do i mismunderstand? sorry for my english . if i change it back i get... still running proces 1 and if ik kill the proces then afterwords when i do iduser is see uid=0 again over and over again
3632 [21:09:16] <greycat> Superuser means that you have effective UID 0. This means are are god. Usually the name of god is "root", but that is just a convention.
3633 [21:09:26] <jhutchins_wk> michelb_: What you said doesn't quite actually make sense. If you changed your user's default group to 0, then you have group 0 (root) privileges. Root is still UID 0.
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3635 [21:09:48] <jelly> michelb_, what does "getent passwd 0" say on your system?
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3637 [21:10:00] <greycat> michelb_: what is the name of your user account, and what do you get from getent passwd that_name
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3643 [21:12:10] <jelly> (my idea does not work... getent returns first match)
3644 [21:12:16] <cerealkill3r> So, what should I do right now to make 4.9 work?
3645 [21:12:18] <jelly> (only)
3646 [21:12:32] <michelb_> i did adduser -G ou -O and afterwards my user (michelb) was uid=0 so i don't even have to give a passwd if i switch users even though i did passwd michelb etc...
3647 [21:12:35] <greycat> dpkg, skylake
3648 [21:12:35] <dpkg> an <intel-gfx> chipset requiring firmware. For jessie support, enable <backports> and <non-free sources>, then install <bpo kernel>, xserver-xorg-video-intel and firmware-misc-nonfree from jessie-backports.
3649 [21:12:39] <greycat> cerealkill3r: ^^
3650 [21:12:55] <jelly> michelb_, what does "getent passwd michelb" say?
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3652 [21:13:30] <michelb_> i have a look have to connect to vps first.
3653 [21:13:56] <greycat> (why would you come here with questions about a system you are not logged into....)
3654 [21:14:18] <jelly> I hate when people come asking for help with only a vague rememberance of the actual issue
3655 [21:14:52] <michelb_> michelb:x:0:0::/home/michelb:/bin/sh
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3658 [21:15:23] <jelly> michelb_, so you have managed to set that user's uid to 0 and also gid to 0
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3660 [21:15:40] <greycat> michelb_: vipw, edit that line, change the 0:0 to whatever they SHOULD be, save the file
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3662 [21:16:10] <greycat> Do not edit any other lines. Do not edit any other FIELDS. Do not add any new lines. Do not add or remove any colons. Only change the numbers.
3663 [21:16:16] <michelb_> gonna have a look were i can find vipw
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3666 [21:16:28] <jelly> /usr/sbin/vipw
3667 [21:16:32] <greycat> It is a command. You run it. It launches your preferred or your default text editor.
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3669 [21:16:56] <greycat> Traditionally this is vi, hence the name "vipw".
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3672 [21:17:14] <michelb_> ow ok i understand thanks. gonna give it a trie
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3674 [21:17:46] <greycat> Misspelling "oh" as "ow" is still one of my favorites.
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3680 [21:20:24] <michelb_> michelb:x:0:0::/home/michelb:/bin/sh ? so the x = owner first 0 = uid ? and second 0 = guid?
3681 [21:20:43] <greycat> The first number is UID, the second number is GID. Do not change anything else.
3682 [21:20:48] <jelly> do not touch the x, only change 0 and 0
3683 [21:21:23] <michelb_> ok but iam curieus about what the x is? i won't change it but wanna know what it is?
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3686 [21:21:32] <greycat> Read "man 5 passwd" to see the format of this file.
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3692 [21:22:20] <michelb_> ok
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3698 [21:24:15] <cerealkill3r> greycat, Thank you, I can boot into 4.9 now!
3699 [21:24:48] <cerealkill3r> My wifi still doesn't work tho
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3701 [21:25:14] <jelly> michelb_, "ls -ld /home/michelb" may point to the correct numeric uid and gid values, assuming you haven't managed to change ownership of that user's home dir as well
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3718 [21:29:47] <michelb_> how do i save in vipw?
3719 [21:30:00] <cerealkill3r> michelb_, Escape and write :w
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3721 [21:30:18] <greycat> Depends on which text editor it used.
3722 [21:30:56] <michelb_> vim
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3724 [21:31:21] <greycat> In that case, what cerealkill3r said.
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3726 [21:31:51] <cerealkill3r> greycat, I installed the drivers from my graphics card and it now works, my wifi still doesnt
3727 [21:32:00] <greycat> I don't know anything about wifi.
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3729 [21:32:56] <cerealkill3r> greycat, As in you can't help me with it or I haven't told you about my wifi issue?
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3731 [21:33:40] <greycat> I do not know how to do wifi.
3732 [21:33:51] <cerealkill3r> greycat, Alright, thank you so much for your time :)
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3737 [21:35:33] <michelb_> i still am root cause i don't get prompted for a password if i switch to root! but when i do idmichelb i get "not found"
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3746 [21:36:28] <michelb_> can i change uid and guid into whatever i want exept 0?
3747 [21:36:50] <greycat> Changing the passwd file does not change the privileges of your *current* login. It changes your next login.
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3752 [21:37:17] <michelb_> ok i am logging out then
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3766 [21:39:42] <michelb_> nope stil uid and guid are 0
3767 [21:41:09] <greycat> What does "getent passwd michelb" say now?
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3770 [21:42:08] <michelb_> michelb:x:0:0::/home/michelb:/bin/sh
3771 [21:42:56] <greycat> So you didn't change the line, or you didn't save it, or something. What text editor do you normally use? Which one do you actually *know* how to use?
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3774 [21:43:44] <michelb_> normal i do gedit but that did not work. probably have to apt-get it first? i am very new at this stuff
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3777 [21:44:07] <greycat> Christ. Which text editor do you use IN A TERMINAL?
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3779 [21:44:22] <greycat> Do you not know how to use ANY text editors at all that aren't graphical?
3780 [21:44:31] <michelb_> nano
3781 [21:44:36] <michelb_> pico
3782 [21:44:47] <greycat> OK, update-alternatives --config editor and tell it to use nano
3783 [21:45:21] <greycat> Then the next time you run vipw, it should use nano instead of vim. (Unless you have set the EDITOR or VISUAL environment variable.)
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3785 [21:46:01] <michelb_> cool i am learning here , like it. where can i find al this stuff? where is config editor?
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3788 [21:46:30] <greycat> man update-alternatives
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3793 [21:50:08] <DK2> replaced-url
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3795 [21:50:16] <michelb_> weird stuff if i do nano vipw unreadable signs
3796 [21:50:25] <DK2> this screen appears after grub, any ideas? its happening with 5+ machines, so i exclude hw failure
3797 [21:50:34] <greycat> I never told you to run the command "nano vipw"
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3799 [21:50:49] <michelb_> oh ok
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3802 [21:50:54] <greycat> If you want to override the alternatives system for a single invocation of vipw, you can use: EDITOR=nano vipw
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3804 [21:52:02] <jhutchins_wk> DK2: It looks like a lilo error screen. More likely grub2, possibly it can't find your boot drive.
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3806 [21:52:27] <jhutchins_wk> DK2: Is that a translatable word it's displaying?
3807 [21:52:44] <cerealkill3r> jhutchins_wk, I got 4.9 to work, it was a problem with my graphics card drivers. Wifi still isn't working tho
3808 [21:52:58] <DK2> jhutchins_wk no its gibberish
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3814 [21:56:59] <jhutchins_wk> cerealkill3r: I saw that in the scrollbuffer. Disappointing.
3815 [21:57:31] <jhutchins_wk> cerealkill3r: The driver was actually merged quite a while back, but it could be you have a newer version of the chipset. You did grab the backported firmware, right?
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3817 [21:57:43] <cerealkill3r> jhutchins_wk, Yes
3818 [21:57:56] <cerealkill3r> Remember it said something about ath9k
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3822 [21:58:37] <jhutchins_wk> I'm out for the trip home. Might spend some time on google. I don't think I'd run the installer from github yet.
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3826 [21:59:13] <michelb_> greycat, Swap file "/etc/.passwd.edit.swp" already exists!
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3834 [21:59:50] <greycat> That means your old editor is still running somewhere. Possibly you used Ctrl-Z to suspend it instead of saving and exiting.
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3836 [22:00:18] <michelb_> ok i trie again
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3843 [22:01:38] <blawiz> anyone know of a 4chan reader (pref for the terminal) that can easily be installed on debian stretch?
3844 [22:01:40] <paxcoder> Hi. How come a package (libdispatch) is available for stable and unstable, but not for testing?
3845 [22:02:22] <paxcoder> oh and oldstable too, everything but testing...
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3847 [22:02:52] <greycat> !why isn't libdispatch in testing
3848 [22:02:53] <dpkg> libdispatch is not in testing for the reasons listed in replaced-url
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3851 [22:03:04] <OS-19881> /msg NickServ IDENTIFY
3852 [22:03:11] <paxcoder> OS-19881: easy
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3864 [22:05:23] <greycat> Crap, that one still says last modified july 4.
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3866 [22:05:44] <paxcoder> greycat: it's actually replaced-url
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3869 [22:05:56] <paxcoder> But I see no reasons
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3873 [22:06:32] <greycat> Damn it, does anyone have one that's NOT showing last modified jul 4?
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3875 [22:07:35] <greycat> And yes, it is showing the reason "libdispatch has new bugs!" but that may be from July 2016. Or maybe not, who the hell knows.
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3877 [22:07:40] <paxcoder> Anyway "has new bugs" leads to no bugs (automatically filtered by severity though)
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3882 [22:08:23] <paxcoder> So I'm none the wiser. For once, your bot foo failed :)
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3888 [22:09:40] <paxcoder> Now I have to remember...
3889 [22:09:42] <paxcoder> !pinning
3890 [22:09:42] <dpkg> Pinning is a method to choose which version of a package to install when multiple versions are available from <sources.list>. Bugs are explained at replaced-url
3891 [22:10:09] <paxcoder> -_-
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3894 [22:10:22] * paxcoder googles debian pinning
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3899 [22:11:12] <georgia> Does anybody know how the cruft package works? I can't tell from its output which files I should have and which I shouldn't.
3900 [22:11:15] <michelb_> it worked :)
3901 [22:11:23] <michelb_> thanks very much
3902 [22:11:53] <michelb_> where can i learn al this stuf. i just typ man something?
3903 [22:12:37] <paxcoder> michelb_: i don't know who you're addressing
3904 [22:12:42] <paxcoder> *m
3905 [22:12:56] <georgia> ...
3906 [22:13:10] <michelb_> greycat
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3909 [22:13:28] <greycat> man pages are a good starting point, yes. Any time someone gives you a command, that command *should* have a man page.
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3911 [22:13:38] <greycat> Otherwise, you can ask here.
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3913 [22:14:19] <georgia> I've seen the man page. it lists options and arguments but doesn't explain the output files "cruft less" generates
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3916 [22:15:00] <michelb_> okay cool. i began lpic learning but seem that it is out of date. i was learning about hal dbus udev etc... but seems that hal does not exits anymore. where can ik find the new accurate stuff?
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3928 [22:19:17] <georgia> for example: what does must_DIVERSIONS mean?
3929 [22:19:49] <georgia> do I need install the files listed in it, are they corrupted, changed, can I delete them?
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3936 [22:21:09] <greycat> ,info cruft
3937 [22:21:10] <judd> Package cruft (admin, optional) in jessie/amd64: program that finds any cruft built up on your system. Version: 0.9.19; Size: 101.6k; Installed: 289k; Homepage: replaced-url
3938 [22:21:26] <greycat> I would imagine it is generating a listing of things that it considers "cruft".
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3944 [22:23:23] <georgia> right, but I don't have some of those things, so do I need to install them?
3945 [22:23:40] <greycat> That would make zero sense.
3946 [22:23:41] <JyZyXEL> # echo "0000:01:00.0" > /sys/bus/pci/drivers/vfio-pci/unbind
3947 [22:23:43] <JyZyXEL> bash: echo: write error: No such device
3948 [22:23:50] <greycat> Give an example of one of these "things".
3949 [22:24:10] <greycat> !confirm
3950 [22:24:13] <greycat> bah, ECHAN
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3954 [22:26:10] <georgia> hmmmm. actually those files I didn't have were the originals to broken symlinks
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3961 [22:29:00] <georgia> so you're right about that. but how do I know they are actually cruft?
3962 [22:29:18] <georgia> and not just broken files that need fixing?
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3964 [22:29:34] <paxcoder> Would anyone know what the relation is between libobjc-6-dev (the package) and libobjc2 (the project)?
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3966 [22:30:04] <greycat> georgia: by looking at them.
3967 [22:30:22] <paxcoder> Or better yet, libobjc2 vs libobjc4
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3970 [22:31:13] <georgia> but it says it's cruft
3971 [22:31:28] <georgia> woops previous post didn't post
3972 [22:31:48] <georgia> why wont it let me post it?
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3974 [22:32:15] <georgia> ..
3975 [22:32:27] <georgia> slash etc slash lsb-release is listed as cruft but it looks important
3976 [22:32:40] <greycat> Heh.
3977 [22:32:44] <georgia> there we go. I guess the problem was the slash
3978 [22:32:54] <greycat> This is why you look at each one instead of blindly automating their removal.
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3981 [22:33:09] <georgia> That's why I came here :)
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3983 [22:34:31] <georgia> (slash)etc/systemd/system/display-manager.service
3984 [22:34:35] <georgia> also looks important
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3991 [22:39:34] <georgia> and should I be fixing symbolic links instead of deleting them? Right now I'll delete localizations, I'll come back if I'm really stuck. Thankya kindly.
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4038 [23:03:35] <fred1807> how many simultaneous sftp (ssh-ftp) clients a 512mb/1ghz server can handle?
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4042 [23:06:06] <bin_bash> a lot
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4044 [23:06:25] <bin_bash> but it also depends on what each session is doing
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4050 [23:08:21] <fred1807> downloading some 300 mb simultaneously
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4104 [23:43:56] <AciD`> am I missing something? I created a Debian 8 usb key, insert it in a computer on which I changed the BIOS boot order. When I start the laptop it shows me the debian menu, I choose 'Graphical install', and then after asking for the language, it get stuck in a loop searching for 'Detect and mount the CD'. Since the usb key is not a CD, what's happening here?
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4108 [23:46:02] <AciD`> the same thing happens when choosing 'Install', obviously
4109 [23:46:29] <petemc> how did you create usb?
4110 [23:47:28] <AciD`> with dd
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4124 [23:53:02] <CutMeOwnThroat> that's a jessie image?
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4128 [23:55:20] <CutMeOwnThroat> gn
4129 [23:55:30] <AciD`> CutMeOwnThroat -> yes
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4135 [23:56:23] <AciD`> unfortunately, installing in an a very old eeepc 1001px means the `live (amd64)` entry only result on an infinite flickering debian logo
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4138 [23:56:45] <AciD`> I'd prefer to not have to launch the live entry, and just use the install/graphical install
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