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107[00:48:34] <Girc> \o. Would someone be so kind as to lend some help with getting grc to work?
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113[00:52:10] <somiaj> Girc: you may find more specific support best for something like that, any paticular question though?
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115[00:52:24] <somiaj> I assume you have say installed grc and read the manpage/documentation related to it?
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124[00:56:03] <user134> Debian automatically generates ssh keys? And they are stored in /etc/ssh/? Would these rsa.pub and rsa.key work for vsftpd?
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140[01:03:08] <Girc> @somiaj it seems to work fine by passing command before task (grc ls -lhao), however without it doesn't function. -I've added line to .bashrc as instructed and ran source /etc/grc.bashtc. Any ideas?
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143[01:05:00] <somiaj> Girc: I don't know grc so can't say much, just gave fairly generic advise.
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145[01:05:44] <somiaj> user134: I would probably generate a new key for vsftpd, so you don't use the same key as you are using for your ssh server. But you can reuse keys if you want
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147[01:06:06] <somiaj> user134: unsure if those keys work for vsftpd, I would imange they do provided vsftpd can use rsa keys
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149[01:07:49] <user134> The config for vsftpd has both "rsa_cert_file" and "rsa_private_key" for ssl. How would I go about creating new keys for vsftpd?
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158[01:18:45] <somiaj> user134: ssh-keygen can create a key pair
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161[01:19:46] <user134> somiaj: Just looking into that, any difference between ssh-keygen and openssl?
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163[01:22:21] <somiaj> openssl is the libary that is being used
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170[01:27:48] <user134> I see, also reading about /etc/ssl/certs/ssl-cert-snakeoil.pem and it's key. These are the defaults in vsftpd in the commented out line, and seem to be valid?
171[01:29:12] <somiaj> Are there certs inside /etc/ssl/certs for this already, you may have to generate them. Also why are you needing to use vsftpd, why wno't sftp via ssh work?
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176[01:31:52] <user134> From what I've read, it's easier to have vsftpd with whitelisted local users, and have those local users no be able to access ssh. And it allows chroot to their home directory. Can this be done in sftp also?
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180[01:32:51] <somiaj> afiak this can be done in ssh
181[01:33:13] <somiaj> replaced-url
182[01:33:16] <somiaj> something like that
183[01:33:56] <somiaj> replaced-url
184[01:34:01] <somiaj> might be a better guide
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190[01:35:42] <Papillon> how hard is it to become a package maintainer of an orphan package?
191[01:35:45] <somiaj> replaced-url
192[01:36:08] <somiaj> Papillon: mentors.debian.net and #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net
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194[01:36:28] <somiaj> Papillon: basically you need to 1) create a package and get it up to date, 2) find a sponsor, which mentors.debian.net will explain how to do.
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199[01:37:39] <somiaj> Papillon: if you haven't built a package before, reading the debian new matainers guide is worthwhile
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305[02:20:11] <Cronus> Long time debian user, Besides rebooting, whats the proper way to add a static ipv4/6 address to interfaces? networking stop and start does not work. same goes for removing an address, seems only reboot works
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312[02:22:07] <Papillon> Isn't there a file to add it to?
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314[02:22:43] <Kafei> Would it be something similar to resolv.conf?
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316[02:22:51] <Cronus> well i add it to /etc/network/interfaces But I misspoke, im unsure how to "activate" it without a reboot
317[02:22:55] <Papillon> ./etc/network/interfaces
318[02:23:13] <Papillon> there's a command
319[02:23:39] <Papillon> is it the route command?
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321[02:23:56] <Cronus> no
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323[02:24:05] <Papillon> yea try addint it with the route command
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326[02:25:00] <somiaj> Cronus: if you are using the interfaces file to configure your interfaces use ifup and ifdown to bring up and down interfaces in there
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329[02:25:15] <somiaj> so ifdown eth0 then ifup eth0 will bring down then up the eth0 device according to the info in the interfaces file
330[02:25:19] <Cronus> ifdown eth0 && ifup eth0 ?
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332[02:25:53] <Cronus> does it need a sleep between the two?
333[02:25:54] <somiaj> correct, all the networking service does is bring up all auto interfaces at boot, once you are running use the ifup and ifdown scripts to bring up/down interfaces in the interfaces file
334[02:25:58] <somiaj> it shouldn't
335[02:26:01] <Cronus> ifdown: interface eth0 not configured RTNETLINK answers: File exists Failed to bring up eth0.
336[02:26:12] <somiaj> then it isn't configured, just bring it up
337[02:26:23] <somiaj> you can also ifdown --force eth0 if it says it is not configured but it is up anyways.
338[02:26:38] <Cronus> thats what the part RTNETLINK says when you try to ifup
339[02:26:43] <Cronus> its clearly up, remote server thats working
340[02:26:45] <somiaj> note, this is only one way to do this, you can use other network tools in debian, the interfaces file is just he debian default.
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343[02:27:05] <Cronus> is there a command to list active/inactive interfaces?
344[02:27:09] <somiaj> Cronus: that is strange, are you sure you are using the interfaces file to configure your network and not something else? Anyways ifdown --force
345[02:27:16] <Cronus> yes i am
346[02:27:16] <somiaj> Cronus: ip addr
347[02:27:26] <somiaj> there is also ifconfig
348[02:27:31] <somiaj> it will list only configured interfaces
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350[02:27:38] <Cronus> right, wasnt aware that lists them as active/inactive
351[02:27:45] <somiaj> but ip is the new tool, ifconfig is the old tool still around for compatability
352[02:28:04] <somiaj> ip will list if the interfaces is UP or DOWN
353[02:28:06] <Cronus> yup force did it
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355[02:28:29] <Cronus> and now without force works lol
356[02:28:40] <Cronus> its been this way for YEARS for me, and i gave up trying to figure out the proper way in debian
357[02:28:59] <Cronus> thanks so much, it might help to put this info on the network config page on the wiki
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359[02:29:18] <Cronus> I was trying to go by this replaced-url
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426[03:07:33] <userro> damm
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435[03:13:13] <dongforce> dongs shall rule the world
436[03:13:23] <dongforce> bazhang is a faggot
437[03:13:41] <bazhang> !ops | dongforce
438[03:13:42] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: bazhang complains about: | dongforce
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440[03:13:49] <dongforce> !ops bazhang
441[03:13:49] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: dongforce complains about: bazhang
442[03:14:04] <dongforce> !ops bazhang is a faggot
443[03:14:05] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: dongforce complains about: bazhang is a faggot
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445[03:14:59] <dongforce> bazhang: im also on #gentoo
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447[03:15:05] <dongforce> if you want to report that as well
448[03:15:14] <dongforce> i would report it myself but i'm muted on #freenode
449[03:15:22] <bazhang> thanks
450[03:15:22] <dongforce> going to #ubuntu next
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452[03:15:41] <dongforce> and then all the wikipedia-wikimedia chans
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577[04:30:56] <mystified> Hey guys Im no techie.. Not sure if i'm in the right channel , if not pls point me in the right direction
578[04:31:13] <mystified> Have an old hp laserjet
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580[04:31:31] <mystified> broke the usb port. No wifi port. just ethernet
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582[04:31:44] <mystified> Don't know to configure
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586[04:32:24] <mystified> CUPS INSTALLED
587[04:32:38] <eclipse34> D cups???
588[04:32:52] <mystified> haha
589[04:32:59] <mystified> one track mind
590[04:33:03] <eclipse34> ;)
591[04:33:22] <mystified> big does not necessary mean better
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628[05:02:40] <Hyp3ri0n> yo KindOne
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641[05:11:53] <DRESSY> St. Valentine’s Vendetta: My 10 Year Battle With Canada’s Jewish Lobby By Arthur Topham (( replaced-url
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663[05:33:57] <Hyp3ri0n> yo KindOne
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671[05:43:10] <veek> how do you get line numbers in iptables for easy inserting
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673[05:45:36] <jsw_> For each table, count from the top starting from 0 veek. Nftables, successor to iptables, will list ID numbers in list output with the -a command though.
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678[05:49:03] <veek> thanks jsw_
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716[06:15:46] <kristofferhagen> veek --line-numbers
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718[06:19:26] <veek> kristofferhagen, ah cool - thanks
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725[06:31:02] <jsw_> Well don't I feel silly, I can't believe I've missed that all this time...
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732[06:36:59] <veek> jsw_, same here - it's right there in the man page
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748[06:48:25] <sunitknandi> We're covering conf.KDE.2017 minute-by-minute: replaced-url
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750[06:49:05] <TimurTheLame> sunitknandi, KDE? I bet everyone's bloated over there. *rimshot*
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755[06:50:24] <sunitknandi> TimurTheLame: no, we're having a conference
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760[06:51:26] <TimurTheLame> sunitknandi, I was making a joke. KDE's software suite has a reputation of being "bloated" (having too much stuff in it), so I jested that the conference people are probably the same way too (fat). :D
761[06:51:40] <sunitknandi> TimurTheLame: xDDDDDDD
762[06:52:00] <sunitknandi> anyway, if you want to follow, just watch the live blog.
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792[07:14:06] <mystified> need some help
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794[07:14:42] <somiaj> !ask
795[07:14:42] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
796[07:14:46] <mystified> system-config-printer unable to login with password as root or user
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798[07:15:29] <mystified> trying to add a network printer.
799[07:15:43] <mystified> my usb port has broken on the printer.
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802[07:15:53] <mystified> not wifi compat
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805[07:16:06] <mystified> so only option is ethernet
806[07:16:25] <mystified> can u guys assist me.
807[07:16:31] <mystified> I'm not a techie
808[07:16:31] <somiaj> So you have a printer configured on the network you want to print from, or you want to share your printer on the network?
809[07:16:42] <mystified> yes
810[07:17:00] <mystified> I need to configure without using usb
811[07:17:09] <somiaj> I don't know printers to well, but I just use the cups webinterface to configure them, localhost:631, add your user to the lpadmin group to be able to login to the itnerface
812[07:17:33] <somiaj> what does without using usb mean? The interface gives you the option to configure different printer types. I use it to configure network printers here
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814[07:18:12] <mystified> usb port
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816[07:19:57] <mystified> with localhost I can make changes
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819[07:21:28] <mystified> I can't see my printer in ifconfig
820[07:21:42] <mystified> it should be eth0
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822[07:23:10] <mystified> "add printer"
823[07:23:26] <mystified> I don't know what to do at this point
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843[07:42:28] <somiaj> eth0 isn't a printer, it is an interface. You may have to know some info about the printer like its ip, what network protocl it uses, if it needs authentication.
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845[07:42:42] <somiaj> I'm unsure on tools that try to auto discover printers on the network.
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851[07:52:04] <TimurTheLame> Is there any way that I can reliable turn off the udisks2 process?
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887[08:22:24] <linuxlifer01> hello everyone, I'm here to seek help installing QubesOS on my laptop currently have Win10 installed and would like to dual boot
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889[08:22:41] <linuxlifer01> love deb btw
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891[08:23:16] <linuxlifer01> figured they are loosely connected so Id give it a shot
892[08:23:23] <linuxlifer01> Ubuntu channel not so friendly
893[08:23:59] <linuxlifer01> am I out of line?
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895[08:25:17] <linuxlifer01> since there is no official qubesOS channel
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928[08:59:23] <Markow> Good morning all
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956[09:26:18] <cluelessperson> Hey guys, I heard of this "makelive" package for creating livecds but I seem to be having trouble finding it
957[09:27:28] <cluelessperson> replaced-url
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961[09:31:06] <nkuttler> !debian live
962[09:31:06] <dpkg> The Debian Live project provides pre-built Debian live system images and allows creation of your own. These can be used to install a Debian system. Live images are available from replaced-url
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973[09:39:52] <userro> I'm trying to boot up live image using qemu but when the menu comes up and asks me to press enter, it gets stuck and cursor disappears.
974[09:40:07] <userro> after clicking enter
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979[09:43:06] <userro> is that normal l? will it boot after some time?
980[09:43:20] <jpw> is it the netisnt?
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982[09:43:52] <jpw> that sounds like 64 bit has been detected but it's failing to run for whatever reason
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984[09:44:25] <jpw> just as a test, try the 32bit only live cd.
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990[09:45:19] <userro> just fyi, I'm host cpu is 32-bit and live cd is for 64-bit
991[09:45:32] <userro> -I'm
992[09:45:40] <jpw> yeah that's not going to work
993[09:45:58] <userro> lol
994[09:46:24] <userro> rip my dreams
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1000[09:47:53] <jpw> ive not used qemu extensively but it can emulate other cpu architectures. however a 64 bit os on a 32 bit cpu even if somehow it did work it would run like a dog.
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1003[09:48:27] <userro> can it at least run single 64bit binary on 32-bit cpu?
1004[09:48:38] <userro> I don't really want whole system
1005[09:49:02] <userro> executable
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1007[09:49:10] <Nekojimi> userro, I don't think so
1008[09:49:25] <jpw> not without a 64 bit supporting binaries (libc) which means you'll need a 64 bit os
1009[09:49:47] <Nekojimi> And for a 64-bit OS you need a 64-bit CPU
1010[09:50:01] <userro> yes
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1012[09:50:21] <userro> I'm just shooting in the dark
1013[09:50:31] <Nekojimi> Wouldn't it in theory be possible for a 32-bit computer to emulate a 64-bit one?
1014[09:50:57] <Nekojimi> I don't think there are any utilities for that and it would be slow as hell, ofc :P
1015[09:51:03] <jpw> yes, but every 64 bit native instruction would be translated in to several instructions
1016[09:51:10] <Nekojimi> Yeah :P
1017[09:51:14] <jpw> *32bit instructions
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1020[09:53:28] <jpw> consider <insert cloud provider here> if you don't have a spare 64 bit cpu available.
1021[09:54:12] <userro> yeah, digital ocean is good
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1025[09:57:19] <userro> so is it hard to translate 64bit native instruction in to several instructions?
1026[09:58:01] <jpw> PhD level difficulty.
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1032[10:00:16] <userro> Because of slowness it causes it's not worth doing it, that's why we don't have that ability?
1033[10:00:21] <joze> here are 1653 people?
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1035[10:01:00] <jpw> you not only have to run instructions on data types larger than the 32bit instruction can handle, you also have to keep track of the context of what's happened previously and what is going to happen. it would be a tangled mess of code.
1036[10:01:15] <petn-randall> joze: yes?
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1038[10:01:58] <joze> do they all like debian?
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1041[10:02:24] <petn-randall> joze: Probably, but you'd have to ask each other them to be sure.
1042[10:02:37] <joze> Ok but I will not
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1050[10:06:30] <jpw> Interestingly, reading up on this it is possible to run a 64 bit guest on a 32 bit host os which has a 64 bit processor.
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1053[10:07:05] <userro> I think I have 64bit cpu
1054[10:07:13] <userro> but 32-bit os
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1056[10:07:41] <userro> yes
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1058[10:07:47] <jpw> have you got virtualisation extensions enabled? can you pastebin the output of lscpu?
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1060[10:09:31] <userro> I can't pastebin now but are you looking for something specific
1061[10:10:03] <jpw> something like...
1062[10:10:05] <jpw> Virtualization: AMD-V
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1064[10:10:56] <userro> nope
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1066[10:11:22] <jpw> what does it say for Model Name?
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1068[10:12:20] <mar77i> userro: iirc, virtualbox does some instruction-level emulation... if you attempt such a thing yourself you need to thoroughly test and compare outcomes.
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1070[10:13:26] <jpw> mar77i: herein lies the beauty. if uerro has a 64 bit cpu with virtualisation extensions the guest can bypass the host os and run 64 bit native code directly on the cout.
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1072[10:13:31] <mar77i> generally, though, if you're not involved into building the cpu architecture in question, it'll likely take you years.
1073[10:13:34] <jpw> s/cout/cpu/
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1075[10:14:04] <userro> Armv7 processor
1076[10:14:35] <jpw> thats not going to work ever :/
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1078[10:15:37] <userro> ok thanks everyone
1079[10:15:40] <jpw> ARM and x86 architectures are what rocks are to planets
1080[10:15:48] <mar77i> never say never. I'm optimising an animation I wrote, and just put hours into getting from 6 to 8 fps :(
1081[10:17:15] <userro> I read that somewhere too. That's why I actually started this. jpw
1082[10:17:37] <userro> about guest bypassing the host os
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1084[10:18:00] <petn-randall> !lm
1085[10:18:01] <dpkg> i heard lm is "long mode" (replaced-url
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1088[10:19:41] <userro> having 64-bit cpu is key
1089[10:20:45] <jpw> so arm does not make a very good hypervisor cpu. firstly they're designed to be used in low power drvices such as phones and while they may be a 64 bit native CPU, they are refering to the word size not the instruction set. the instruction set on arm processes is tiny in comparison and does not have features such as virtualisation extensions.
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1091[10:22:08] <Spiffy> replaced-url
1092[10:22:37] <Spiffy> jpw: ^
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1095[10:24:18] <petn-randall> Too many weasel words ...
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1097[10:24:27] <jpw> Spiffy: Thats interesting but it doesn't make the cpu magically capible of the x86_64 instruction set.
1098[10:24:45] <petn-randall> jpw: who claimed that?
1099[10:24:58] <Spiffy> Oh no, not at all. It was just the whole "does not have features such as virtualisation extensions"
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1101[10:25:07] <nickgaw> Hi, is running a normal upgrade turning on experimental a safe thing to do if I have things backed up?
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1104[10:25:15] <jpw> i didn't know that. :)
1105[10:25:23] <petn-randall> nickgaw: Upgrade from what to what?
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1107[10:25:57] <petn-randall> nickgaw: In general, "experimental" is not a complete OS, but just packages on top of sid that are known to be buggy.
1108[10:25:58] <nickgaw> upgrading from sid packages to experimental packages?
1109[10:27:14] <petn-randall> nickgaw: Safe? No. If you run anything else than stable you're not "safe".
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1113[10:27:47] <nickgaw> could my system not boot anymore even if I just do an upgrade and not a dist-upgrade?
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1115[10:28:01] <petn-randall> nickgaw: And I'd only cherrypick single packages from experimental, not upgrade all packages from it.
1116[10:28:28] <petn-randall> nickgaw: Could known-buggy packages break you system? Of course!
1117[10:29:00] <nickgaw> is gcc 7 considdered stable by the gnu project?
1118[10:29:14] <petn-randall> nickgaw: "upgrade" and "dist-upgrade" are likely to do the same here.
1119[10:29:20] <petn-randall> nickgaw: Ask your real question.
1120[10:29:59] <userro> I did that and got tons of dependency issues and I couldn't fix or install new packages.
1121[10:30:04] <nickgaw> upgrade tells me no new packages will be installed just upgraded but dist-upgrade does a lot more I did not answer the yes question yet.
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1126[10:32:04] <nickgaw> cpp version 7 is in experimental but not in unstable is version 7 safe by the gnu project?
1127[10:33:16] <petn-randall> nickgaw: You'd have to check with the GNU project if they find 7 "safe".
1128[10:33:48] <petn-randall> nickgaw: I can only say that if something is in experimental, it's because the maintainer said "this too risky to put into unstable".
1129[10:34:07] <petn-randall> nickgaw: Why do you want to upgrade to cpp 7 in the first place?
1130[10:34:24] <nickgaw> you mean it might mess up my entire system but then why are they even putting it in experimental?
1131[10:34:39] <Iridos> petn-randall, but stretch is frozen…
1132[10:34:51] <petn-randall> nickgaw: Because that is the exact definition of experimental.
1133[10:35:39] <nickgaw> is there anything for debian that is newer then experimental?
1134[10:35:40] <petn-randall> Iridos: Sure, that might be a reason, but I'm trying to explain to Debian user that dist-upgrading to experimental is considered a bad thing.
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1136[10:36:02] <nkuttler> nickgaw: build it yourself
1137[10:36:04] <nickgaw> I understand that.
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1139[10:36:27] <nickgaw> is the incoming directory newer then experimental?
1140[10:36:38] <petn-randall> maybe, maybe not
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1142[10:36:48] <Iridos> dpkg, slushy
1143[10:36:48] <dpkg> When a <testing> release becomes frozen, <unstable> tends to partially freeze as well. This is because developers are reluctant to upload radically new software to unstable, in case the frozen software in testing needs minor updates and to fix release critical bugs which keep testing from becoming <stable>.
1144[10:36:52] <petn-randall> sometimes even sid might be newer than experimental
1145[10:37:00] <nickgaw> so you are saying stay with sid or testing right.
1146[10:37:39] <petn-randall> I always recommend staying with stable.
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1148[10:38:56] <nickgaw> is testing now safe to install or as I have unstable should I be ok?
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1150[10:39:14] <Iridos> nickgaw, it's pretty safe to install leaf packages from nearly anywhere
1151[10:39:24] <jpw> nickgaw: newer != better
1152[10:39:36] <petn-randall> Depends on your definition of safe. But stretch (testing) is still not released due to release-critical bugs.
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1154[10:39:47] <Iridos> stable is - by definition - the safe choice
1155[10:40:03] <amitprakash> Hi, would it be possible to install debian to a partition while running from another linux boot?
1156[10:40:04] <petn-randall> You probably shouldn't be running testing NOR unstable if you worry about safe.
1157[10:40:16] <nickgaw> Do installation images exist for sid and pulling needed packages from experimental?
1158[10:40:20] <Iridos> if you run testing or unstable you say you're prepared to fix stuff
1159[10:40:33] <petn-randall> amitprakash: Yes, that's possible, the tool is called debootstrap.
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1161[10:40:39] <jpw> unless you are experimenting, developing or testing debian you should be using stable.
1162[10:40:53] <petn-randall> nickgaw: ^
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1164[10:41:13] <Iridos> you're also allowed to use testing along the way, you know…
1165[10:41:23] <amitprakash> i.e. /dev/sda1 has gentoo while I want to install debian on /dev/sda2 .. since grub is already installed, I should just need to untar minimal contents and refresh grubcfg to update this right?
1166[10:41:39] <jpw> Iridos: never in production
1167[10:41:45] <petn-randall> amitprakash: It's a bit more complicated than that.
1168[10:41:57] <amitprakash> petn-randall, reading up
1169[10:42:08] * nkuttler has upgraded his workstation to stretch
1170[10:42:25] <petn-randall> Iridos: Sure, you can already use testing. But you should be aware that you're willingly beta-testing unfinished software.
1171[10:42:45] <nickgaw> what about unstable is that alpha testing?
1172[10:42:48] <nkuttler> and please only upgrade to frozen testing nobody but you uses..
1173[10:42:51] <amitprakash> petn-randall, apart from fstab and users, I don't see what debootstrap adds on?
1174[10:43:04] <nkuttler> once worked with a dd who thought he should upgrade the production server to that .oO
1175[10:43:27] <amitprakash> petn-randall, and even those need manual modification
1176[10:43:44] <Iridos> pretty much everyone running testing does that on their desktop or so… but yes, you automatically become a tester
1177[10:44:02] <petn-randall> amitprakash: You could probably untar an already existing system onto that partition. But nearly every package has an post-installation script that needs to be run to make the package usable.
1178[10:44:03] <Iridos> sigh, my network acting up
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1180[10:44:27] <amitprakash> petn-randall, right, which shouldn't matter if the source system is identical to target system
1181[10:44:37] <amitprakash> additionally, these could be executed on first run
1182[10:44:40] <Iridos> jpw now you're being a bit silly… nobody was ever speaking about a production environment here… because… people who run them don't ask these kinds of tquestions
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1185[10:44:57] <amitprakash> petn-randall, coming from gentoo for example, I can chroot to a partition and just untar baselayout
1186[10:45:00] <petn-randall> amitprakash: Ah, you just want to move a system from A to B? That should work, you probably just need to fix the bootloader and /etc/fstab somehow.
1187[10:45:21] <amitprakash> petn-randall, I don't have a system A for now :P ... I am just speaking theoretically
1188[10:45:51] <nickgaw> I tried gentoo once and it was ok but it did not automatically configure things and I had to do lots of things by hand did they ever fix that in an installer?
1189[10:46:02] <amitprakash> petn-randall, bootloader can be taken care of with mkconfig and os-prober automagically
1190[10:46:06] <amitprakash> fstab would have to be edited
1191[10:46:28] <sunitknandi> We're covering conf.KDE.2017 minute-by-minute: replaced-url
1192[10:46:51] <petn-randall> amitprakash: Yeah, but it really depends on your use case. If you want to provision machines from that tar it would be risky because e.g. all the host SSH keys would be the same, etc.
1193[10:47:10] <amitprakash> sure :)
1194[10:47:18] <amitprakash> But should give me a bootable system
1195[10:47:27] <petn-randall> yes
1196[10:47:46] <amitprakash> petn-randall, so the next question is this, is there an image of debian that I can untar to disk that should handle amd64 platform in general
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1199[10:48:27] <nickgaw> Why not just install Debian and just not setup the boot loader?
1200[10:48:49] <amitprakash> nickgaw, no optical drive and no thumb drive available on me atm
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1202[10:49:25] <nickgaw> So the system has no method for using external storage at all?
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1204[10:49:40] <jpw> Iridos: XD
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1206[10:49:48] <amitprakash> nickgaw, no :(
1207[10:50:04] <nickgaw> What type of a system is this?
1208[10:50:09] <amitprakash> a laptop
1209[10:50:15] <amitprakash> ultrabook rather
1210[10:50:36] <nickgaw> no SD card slots or anything how did gentoo get installed?
1211[10:50:56] <amitprakash> nickgaw, came with some distro of linux, used that to chroot + install gentoo
1212[10:51:14] <nickgaw> what type of ultra book is this?
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1214[10:51:36] <nickgaw> I was looking for a small linux system and that might be what I am looking for.
1215[10:51:41] <amitprakash> toshiba portege
1216[10:51:54] <amitprakash> nickgaw, ah, company laptop.. the consumer version ships with windows
1217[10:52:01] <nickgaw> how large is the hard drive and how much ram do you have?
1218[10:52:01] <amitprakash> we negotiated for ubuntu by default
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1220[10:52:34] <amitprakash> 200G/16G
1221[10:52:43] <amitprakash> 240G*
1222[10:52:47] <TomTomTosch> amitprakash: you can install debian from an already existing linux installation by using debootstrap and doing a lot of work manually, that the installer usually handles. replaced-url
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1224[10:53:09] <amitprakash> TomTomTosch, yeah thats what I am doing now.. was hoping for a tarball to untar instead
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1229[10:53:32] <nickgaw> can you connect an usb drive or any sd card to that system what so ever?
1230[10:53:41] <amitprakash> I can, I don't have one on me atm
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1233[10:54:07] <nickgaw> ok so the system does have an usb port then?
1234[10:54:11] <amitprakash> Yes
1235[10:54:19] <TomTomTosch> would a tarball be any different from what debootstrap does?
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1237[10:54:51] <amitprakash> TomTomTosch, very much so.. debootstrap installs packages individually, a tarball would just need be untar'ed
1238[10:54:59] <jpw> TomTomTosch: short answer no, long answer, why are you even considering that.
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1240[10:55:14] <amitprakash> and I'd need to edit the fstab and point os-prober to detect the new kernel
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1244[10:56:14] <TomTomTosch> jpw: I don't. maybe read more than a single line?
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1251[11:01:13] <amitprakash> TomTomTosch, oh well debootstrapped, chrooted.. now building kernel
1252[11:01:52] <nickgaw> Why build a kernel from source when debian has prebuilt ones?
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1255[11:02:20] <amitprakash> nickgaw, why not? plus I like to build everything I need in-kernel and disable module loading
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1258[11:02:46] <nickgaw> will audio still work then?
1259[11:02:51] <amitprakash> sure
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1277[11:08:37] <nickgaw> who is debhelper and why does this thing keep changing the mode?
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1279[11:09:45] <bazhang> floodbot nickgaw
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1282[11:10:34] <nickgaw> so what would it do? does it stop loads of text going to the channel?
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1286[11:11:26] <bazhang> it kicks flooders
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1288[11:11:58] <nickgaw> debhelper kick me
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1290[11:12:17] <nickgaw> dpkg kick me
1291[11:12:17] * dpkg kicks nickgaw in the crotch.
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1293[11:12:46] <TomTomTosch> haha
1294[11:12:49] <bazhang> nickgaw, why not go have fun in #debian-offtopic
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1296[11:12:56] <nickgaw> so two different bots are they allowed on this channel then?
1297[11:13:23] <TomTomTosch> they help moderating, they arn't just random bots.
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1299[11:13:38] <bazhang> ,v vrms
1300[11:13:39] <judd> Package: vrms on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.16; jessie: 1.16; stretch: 1.17; sid: 1.17
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1302[11:13:45] <jpw> -l is the maxum users allowed on the channel
1303[11:14:00] <nickgaw> true
1304[11:14:11] <jpw> it prevents a surge of users joining.
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1306[11:14:15] <nickgaw> but why have a limit at all?
1307[11:14:37] <bazhang> kids wasting time flooding the channel
1308[11:14:53] <nickgaw> makes sence.
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1310[11:14:57] <jpw> itc management is a dark art. don't question, just accept.
1311[11:15:06] <jpw> *irc
1312[11:15:21] <nickgaw> ITC?
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1317[11:17:11] <amitprakash> nickgaw, Indian Tobacco Company
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1320[11:17:25] <nickgaw> ok got it
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1327[11:18:31] <j4ckcom> how can i install pygame on debian?
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1333[11:19:57] <bazhang> python-pygame?
1334[11:20:08] <j4ckcom> yes bazhang how?
1335[11:20:21] <bazhang> ,v python-pygame
1336[11:20:22] <judd> Package: python-pygame on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.9.1release+dfsg-8; jessie: 1.9.1release+dfsg-10+b1; stretch: 1.9.1release+dfsg-10+b2; sid: 1.9.1release+dfsg-10+b2; experimental: 1.9.2~pre~r3449-2
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1338[11:20:38] <bazhang> apt-get install python-pygame
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1341[11:20:50] <j4ckcom> too simple :)
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1343[11:21:13] <nickgaw> judd asterisk
1344[11:21:21] <nickgaw> !asterisk
1345[11:21:21] <dpkg> Asterisk is an open source, cross-platform telephone Private Branch Exchange (PBX). It can be used with VoIP and PSTN services. replaced-url
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1347[11:21:59] <nickgaw> how can I control this judd bot?
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1351[11:22:24] <bazhang> nickgaw, why would you want to do such a thing
1352[11:22:45] <nickgaw> ask it about versions of packages like you were doing?
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1354[11:22:48] <nickgaw> ,v asterisk
1355[11:22:49] <judd> Package: asterisk on amd64 -- wheezy: 1:1.8.13.1~dfsg1-3+deb7u3; wheezy-security: 1:1.8.13.1~dfsg1-3+deb7u6; wheezy-backports: 1:11.13.1~dfsg-2~bpo70+1; jessie-security: 1:11.13.1~dfsg-2+deb8u1; jessie: 1:11.13.1~dfsg-2+deb8u2; stretch: 1:13.14.0~dfsg-1; sid: 1:13.14.0~dfsg-1
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1359[11:23:48] <nickgaw> ,v linux-image
1360[11:23:49] <judd> No package named 'linux-image' was found in amd64.
1361[11:24:14] <nickgaw> judd i386 ,v alpine
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1363[11:24:30] <TomTomTosch> message the bots privately please, instead of spamming the channel.
1364[11:25:15] <babilen> nickgaw: And refer to replaced-url
1365[11:25:39] <nickgaw> sorry
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1368[11:25:55] <nickgaw> I did not know you can do that.
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1372[11:26:35] <babilen> You do now :)
1373[11:26:46] <babilen> "/msg judd v alpine"
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1375[11:26:54] <nickgaw> yes and sorry about the spamming the channel with that information.
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1397[11:30:39] <j4ckcom> python3 is installed on debian?
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1399[11:31:55] <jelly-home> j4ckcom: it's available but may not be installed by default
1400[11:32:11] <jelly-home> might* not
1401[11:32:31] <j4ckcom> python3 --version
1402[11:32:32] <j4ckcom> Python 3.4.2
1403[11:32:34] <j4ckcom> strange
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1407[11:34:40] <mal__> Hello, I am on raspbian jessie with pixel, kernel 4.4, debian 8 based i believe, attempting to run Chromium 'headless', this is without a monitor. I have used raspi-config tool to theoretically run GUI and login automatically on boot, and if I run it gives me "... Server is already active for display 0 ...", but running Chromium-browser gives an error related to gtk and no screen, here in full: replaced-url
1408[11:34:41] <mal__> y9zCtae
1409[11:34:48] <mal__> sorry, replaced-url
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1411[11:34:58] <jelly-home> !raspbian
1412[11:34:58] <dpkg> Raspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use #raspbian on irc.freenode.net for support. replaced-url
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1414[11:35:20] <mal__> ok, not a lot of help there, but I'll keep trying. Thanks
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1421[11:37:31] <j4ckcom> apt-cache search pip3 <— there is no pip3?
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1426[11:38:09] <TomTomTosch> ,i python3-pip
1427[11:38:10] <judd> Package python3-pip (python, optional) in jessie/amd64: alternative Python package installer - Python 3 version of the package. Version: 1.5.6-5; Size: 94.9k; Installed: 441k; Homepage: replaced-url
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1431[11:39:25] <j4ckcom> apt-cache search python-pip3. <—— judd nothing
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1433[11:39:50] <TomTomTosch> python3-pip, not python-pip3 !
1434[11:39:59] <j4ckcom> oh
1435[11:40:01] <j4ckcom> :)
1436[11:40:03] <j4ckcom> thanks
1437[11:40:22] <j4ckcom> if i install python3-pip then i can’t install python-pip? TomTomTosch ?
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1439[11:40:50] <TomTomTosch> j4ckcom: they don't conflict.
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1442[11:41:27] <j4ckcom> buy pip install request <— what pip is exputed? python3 or python? TomTomTosch
1443[11:41:31] <j4ckcom> but
1444[11:41:56] <TomTomTosch> j4ckcom: there is pip for python2 and pip3 for python3
1445[11:42:08] <TomTomTosch> interestingly, pip breaks the python package naming convention. usually libs are called python-*/python3-* and executables without the prefix.
1446[11:42:12] <jelly-home> j4ckcom: did you try something like pip --version
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1451[11:43:37] <j4ckcom> apt-get install python3-pip —> pip --version
1452[11:43:37] <j4ckcom> -su: pip: command not found
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1454[11:43:45] <j4ckcom> pip3 --version
1455[11:43:45] <j4ckcom> pip 1.5.6 from /usr/lib/python3/dist-packages (python 3.4)
1456[11:43:54] <j4ckcom> i must use pip3
1457[11:43:57] <j4ckcom> instead of pip
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1459[11:44:46] <jelly-home> just like you have to use python3 instead of python for the interpreter
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1462[11:45:35] <j4ckcom> pip3 install python-pygame
1463[11:45:35] <j4ckcom> Downloading/unpacking python-pygame
1464[11:45:37] <j4ckcom> Could not find any downloads that satisfy the requirement python-pygame
1465[11:45:42] <j4ckcom> what’s wrong?
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1468[11:46:02] <TomTomTosch> python-pygame is a debian package, not a python package.
1469[11:46:46] <TomTomTosch> or rather not a pypi package.
1470[11:46:50] <j4ckcom> what you mean?
1471[11:46:54] <j4ckcom> i can’t understand it
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1473[11:47:13] <TomTomTosch> python-pygame is a package you install using apt
1474[11:47:35] <jelly-home> software available via pip is named slightly differently than software available via debian's packages
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1480[11:48:01] <j4ckcom> ok then how can i install pygame module?
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1482[11:48:34] <TomTomTosch> and it's a python2 package.
1483[11:49:02] <j4ckcom> python2 package. i can’t use pygame with python3?
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1485[11:50:24] <jelly-home> j4ckcom: presumably you need to use the correct spelling first, their web page suggests it's "Pygame"
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1487[11:50:51] <jelly-home> j4ckcom: it's probably better to install random python modules in a virtualenv, not as root directly on the system\
1488[11:50:55] <j4ckcom> import pygame
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1494[11:52:24] <jelly-home> and their build process may be more involved than just "pip3 install ..."
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1496[11:52:55] <j4ckcom> debian is not good for python environment?
1497[11:53:46] <jelly-home> it's fine, you just need to learn quite a bit about said environment
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1510[11:59:33] <BlueProtoman> How can I install tip on Debian?
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1520[12:03:08] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
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1522[12:03:28] <TomTomTosch> ,file */bin/tip
1523[12:03:32] <judd> No packages in jessie/amd64 were found with that file.
1524[12:03:37] <TomTomTosch> no cigar
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1526[12:04:17] <j4ckcom> apt-get install python-pygame <— this is python2 or python3?
1527[12:04:26] <TomTomTosch> python2
1528[12:04:28] <babilen> judd: v golang-golang-x-tools
1529[12:04:29] <judd> Package: golang-golang-x-tools on amd64 -- jessie-backports: 1:0.0~git20161028.0.b814a3b+ds-3~bpo8+1; stretch: 1:0.0~git20161028.0.b814a3b+ds-3+b1; sid: 1:0.0~git20161028.0.b814a3b+ds-3+b1
1530[12:04:34] <babilen> BlueProtoman: ^
1531[12:04:34] <j4ckcom> this is for python2 or python3?
1532[12:04:47] <TomTomTosch> j4ckcom: you will need to use pip3 to get the python3 package.
1533[12:05:06] <TomTomTosch> j4ckcom: which is called Pygame as we already established.
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1535[12:05:20] <j4ckcom> ok thanks
1536[12:05:21] <j4ckcom> :)
1537[12:05:28] <BlueProtoman> babilen: Damn. Thanks anyway
1538[12:05:34] <BlueProtoman> Wait
1539[12:05:36] <TomTomTosch> j4ckcom: and you will want to read up on python virtualenv or pyenv.
1540[12:05:45] <BlueProtoman> Oh, no, the * covered /usr/bin/tip
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1546[12:06:56] <plasmoduck> hey guys I've just installed debian on my mates laptop, but it wont connect to our wifi. I'm using nm-applet for the configuration, when I enter the wifi password and click connect the icon just spins and says "Requestion a WiFi network address for NETWORKNAME".
1547[12:07:19] <plasmoduck> All other devices can connect to the wifi fine. So I don't think it's something in the router.
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1549[12:07:28] <jelly> plasmoduck: firmware in place?
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1553[12:08:36] <plasmoduck> jelly: well I installed firmware-linux-nonfree
1554[12:08:51] <plasmoduck> I didn't think it would show the ssid if the correct firmware wasn't inplace?
1555[12:09:01] <plasmoduck> I can scan for hotspots and it shows
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1557[12:09:27] <plasmoduck> and it prompts me for the password, but just hangs on requesting wifi network address?
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1560[12:10:52] <jelly> plasmoduck: that may not be enough. Which wireless card is it?
1561[12:10:55] <babilen> BlueProtoman: Why "damn" ?
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1563[12:10:56] <jelly> !what's my wireless
1564[12:10:56] <dpkg> Install the hwinfo package and execute "/usr/sbin/hwinfo --wlan", or replaced-url
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1566[12:11:17] <LiuYan> plasmoduck: maybe upgrade network-manager package is needed? I have similar issue several weeks ago on debian-unstable.
1567[12:11:19] <jelly> plasmoduck: show its "lspci -nn" line or its "lsusb" info
1568[12:11:21] <babilen> BlueProtoman: It's in golang-golang-x-tools which you can install from jessie-backports
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1576[12:12:43] <plasmoduck> okay let me check
1577[12:12:49] <BlueProtoman> babilen: Oh, read the wrong line, sorry
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1606[12:27:02] <plasmoduck> jelly, so the laptop can connect to a mobile phone hotspot but it wont connect to our wifi router?
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1608[12:27:28] <plasmoduck> but every other new device can connect to the wifi router so wtf?
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1611[12:28:22] <jjj> Hey guys, I want to do a fresh install of Debian 8 and I wanted to ask how much do you guys usually use for the root partition? I have a 256gb hdd, What would be the maximum size you would use?
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1613[12:29:51] <teraflops> jjj: if you're not sure just use / for all or use lvm or btrfs subvolumes
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1615[12:30:38] <jelly> plasmoduck: that's a useful piece of information
1616[12:30:58] <jjj> I want to have my root and home partition separated. I was wondering what would be the maximum one would use, but i just figured out i can see how much I use now :)
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1618[12:31:36] <teraflops> jjj: yeah, who knows?
1619[12:31:42] <j4ckcom> what python editor is good on debian?
1620[12:31:47] <teraflops> you know obv
1621[12:32:02] <teraflops> j4ckcom: it was for jjj
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1623[12:32:10] <j4ckcom> jjj?
1624[12:32:18] <teraflops> yes
1625[12:32:20] <j4ckcom> what is jjj?
1626[12:32:21] <jjj> Hehe, it's only 16gb used with all the software and everything I use
1627[12:32:42] <teraflops> j4ckcom: see?
1628[12:32:44] <teraflops> hehe
1629[12:32:51] <plasmoduck> I don't understand this, it does not compute and is illogical
1630[12:32:56] <j4ckcom> what python ide is good on debian?
1631[12:33:01] <j4ckcom> :)
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1633[12:33:16] <jjj> j4ckcom: You could try out PyCharm, or find an editor you like and just run the scripts from terminal
1634[12:33:31] <j4ckcom> pycharm
1635[12:33:37] <j4ckcom> how can i install it on debian?
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1637[12:34:21] <teraflops> I just use neovim + jedivim + deoplete
1638[12:34:32] <TomTomTosch> from upstream. it's not free software and thus not packaged for debian.
1639[12:35:20] <Latituder> !32
1640[12:35:26] <j4ckcom> debian have eclipse?
1641[12:35:31] <Latituder> to enable multilib repos, what to do?
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1643[12:36:00] <abrotman> j4ckcom: packages.debian.org/eclipse
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1645[12:36:24] <jjj> j4ckcom: There are a lot of editors out there that are in the repositories like Vim or Emacs, you should try some out and see what you like
1646[12:36:24] <Latituder> ??
1647[12:36:24] <j4ckcom> i can install it with apt-get? abrotman ?
1648[12:36:37] <abrotman> is it on that page?
1649[12:36:45] <abrotman> does that page exist?
1650[12:36:54] <abrotman> dpkg: tell j4ckcom about ig
1651[12:36:54] <BluesKaj> j4ckcom, yes
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1654[12:38:14] <TimurTheLame> j4ckcom, replaced-url
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1656[12:38:22] <teraflops> ugh
1657[12:38:24] <TimurTheLame> j4ckcom, unpack and run ./eclipse
1658[12:38:37] <j4ckcom> i want to use apt-get
1659[12:38:43] <j4ckcom> because it is convenient
1660[12:39:21] <teraflops> j4ckcom: are you in a debian machine?
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1663[12:39:31] <BluesKaj> j4ckcom, then sudo apt-get install eclipse
1664[12:39:32] <j4ckcom> yeah teraflops
1665[12:39:34] <Latituder> how to enable multilib ??
1666[12:39:35] <TimurTheLame> j4ckcom, oh wait, it's in the repos
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1668[12:39:38] <Latituder> I cant install wine32
1669[12:39:51] <j4ckcom> thanks BluesKaj
1670[12:39:53] <j4ckcom> :)
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1672[12:40:06] <teraflops> j4ckcom: please learn to use apt/aptitude it's worth the effort
1673[12:40:29] <j4ckcom> teraflops: where?
1674[12:40:32] <Latituder> can anyone tell me
1675[12:40:34] <TimurTheLame> Latituder, replaced-url
1676[12:40:40] <Latituder> wow arch users are in #debian now
1677[12:40:42] <jpw> Latituder: you mean dpkg --add-architecture i386 ?
1678[12:40:47] <teraflops> man pages are fine debian wiki too
1679[12:41:08] <j4ckcom> ok thanks
1680[12:41:09] <Latituder> jpw, yes thats one way but how to add it in repo or uncomment like I used to do in pacman.conf in arch linux
1681[12:41:22] <teraflops> j4ckcom: e.g apt-cache search eclipse
1682[12:41:34] <BluesKaj> teraflops, there's no real advanatage to aptitude anymore
1683[12:41:36] <j4ckcom> too many thing is shown
1684[12:41:52] <teraflops> BluesKaj: k
1685[12:41:59] <jpw> Latituder: apt repos are not architecture specific, it contains all files for all architectures the os then filteres out what it doesn't want.
1686[12:42:08] <TimurTheLame> j4ckcom, be warned that jessie's version of eclipse is really old (3.8). The newest version is 4.6.
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1688[12:42:27] <abrotman> jpw: they can be, most are not
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1690[12:42:38] <teraflops> ,v eclipse
1691[12:42:44] <teraflops> ugh
1692[12:42:45] <judd> Package: eclipse on amd64 -- wheezy: 3.8.0~rc4-1; jessie: 3.8.1-7; sid: 3.8.1-8; stretch: 3.8.1-10; sid: 3.8.1-10
1693[12:42:49] <BluesKaj> TimurTheLame, sometimes older is more stable
1694[12:42:53] <j4ckcom> TimurTheLame: then how can i do?
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1696[12:43:18] <abrotman> j4ckcom: Do yo know you need features in the newer eclipse?
1697[12:43:29] <BluesKaj> j4ckcom, just installit ..it'll work
1698[12:43:37] <TimurTheLame> BluesKaj, tell that to possible employers when they require eclipse 4.6
1699[12:43:51] <j4ckcom> replaced-url
1700[12:44:04] <abrotman> j4ckcom: use the apt-get version
1701[12:44:16] <BluesKaj> TimurTheLame, assuming he's on the job
1702[12:44:27] <TimurTheLame> j4ckcom, this one is the newest one: replaced-url
1703[12:44:46] <abrotman> you guys are going to make it harder
1704[12:44:54] <abrotman> just let him use the version in jessie
1705[12:45:00] <BluesKaj> why all the interference TimurTheLame
1706[12:45:04] <abrotman> It will pull in all the dependencies correctly
1707[12:45:23] <BluesKaj> exactly abrotman
1708[12:45:37] <abrotman> j4ckcom: please don't use the tar.gz from eclipse.org .. use the packages in Jessie
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1710[12:46:10] <BluesKaj> let the guy try iot out and if it doesn't do what's needed then upgrade, TimurTheLame
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1712[12:46:38] <abrotman> and if your employer requires a certain version of a certain IDE, you probably need a new job
1713[12:46:42] <j4ckcom> abrotman: how can i do?
1714[12:46:55] <TimurTheLame> abrotman, are you kidding me?
1715[12:47:05] <BluesKaj> j4ckcom, sudo apt-get install eclipse
1716[12:47:07] <teraflops> let him use eclipse from repos then he will have time to decide if he wants something newer. in the meantime he will familiarise with how debian works
1717[12:47:29] <j4ckcom> eclipse from webpage is not good? BluesKaj ?
1718[12:47:30] <teraflops> because it looks like he's a bit lost imo
1719[12:47:32] <TimurTheLame> Whatever, I'll just go about my business
1720[12:47:34] <abrotman> j4ckcom: apt-get install eclipse
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1722[12:48:48] <BluesKaj> j4ckcom, use apt-get ..it's the correct way to get the correct packages
1723[12:49:03] <j4ckcom> ok thanks abrotman and BluesKaj
1724[12:49:06] <j4ckcom> i m doing it now
1725[12:49:22] <j4ckcom> 😃
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1731[12:52:50] <j4ckcom> lol it is 3.8 abrotman and BluesKaj
1732[12:52:52] <j4ckcom> :(
1733[12:52:56] <abrotman> you'll be okay
1734[12:53:07] <j4ckcom> it is ok :)
1735[12:53:09] <j4ckcom> thanks
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1747[12:58:20] <j4ckcom> debian vs. ubuntu, which is best?
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1749[12:58:40] <wazntmi> Debian
1750[12:58:42] <abrotman> j4ckcom: you'rein #debian, which answer do you think you'll get?
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1752[12:58:51] <j4ckcom> ok
1753[12:58:53] <j4ckcom> i got it
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1759[13:01:35] <Iridos> abrotman, 10 different answers, if you have any experience with #debian in that matter :)
1760[13:01:36] <epsilon> ubuntu is just a subset of Debian
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1762[13:03:04] <abrotman> epsilon: not true, and not on topic here
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1766[13:04:00] <j4ckcom> debian eclipse is strange
1767[13:04:02] <j4ckcom> :(
1768[13:04:20] <j4ckcom> i installed pydev, but there is no pydev
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1770[13:04:27] <abrotman> yo might have to restart it?
1771[13:04:54] <j4ckcom> linux or eclipse?
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1775[13:06:07] <j4ckcom> i restart it
1776[13:06:12] <j4ckcom> but there is no pydev
1777[13:06:14] <j4ckcom> lol
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1779[13:06:18] <j4ckcom> wtf
1780[13:06:19] <j4ckcom> x(
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1784[13:09:47] <abrotman> j4ckcom: how did you install it? did you look for an error log?
1785[13:10:07] <j4ckcom> help —> install New Software
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1787[13:10:51] <abrotman> I'd look for an error log
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1793[13:14:26] <j4ckcom> there is no pydev
1794[13:14:27] <j4ckcom> :(
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1799[13:16:24] <j4ckcom> how can i uninstall eclipse?
1800[13:16:29] <j4ckcom> i will delete it
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1803[13:17:41] <abrotman> !grounding
1804[13:17:41] <dpkg> Before asking in here or on the <debian-user> mailing list, you should read the Installation Guide, or if you already have Debian installed, the Debian Reference. The Debian Administrator's Handbook is also good. Ask me about <ig>, <overview>, <reference>, <refcard>, <docs>, <manuals>, <fundamentals>, <newbiedoc>, <faq>, <unix lessons>, <general cli tutorial>, <debian-handbook> (e.g. in your IRC client, type /msg dpkg reference).
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1807[13:17:58] <abrotman> dpkg: tell j4ckcom about reference
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1815[13:19:55] <j4ckcom> how can i uninstall eclipse?
1816[13:20:06] <j4ckcom> abrotman: help me plz
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1818[13:20:21] <themill> j4ckcom: we normally like to help users help themselves
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1820[13:20:50] <j4ckcom> apt-get remove eclipse <— ok themill this is correct?
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1824[13:22:58] <j4ckcom> abrotman: ?
1825[13:23:00] <j4ckcom> ok?
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1828[13:23:36] <TimurTheLame> j4ckcom, yes
1829[13:23:49] <j4ckcom> thanks :)
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1831[13:25:08] <j4ckcom> apt-get remove eclipse <— liar, i excute it. but eclipse is shown
1832[13:25:13] <j4ckcom> TimurTheLame:
1833[13:25:37] <TimurTheLame> j4ckcom, what do you mean?
1834[13:26:12] <j4ckcom> i remove it with apt-get remove eclipse. but i can excute it
1835[13:26:22] <j4ckcom> with ‘eclipse’ on terminal
1836[13:26:44] <BluesKaj> j4ckcom, you probly need to logout or reboot
1837[13:26:52] <j4ckcom> oh
1838[13:26:54] <j4ckcom> ok
1839[13:26:57] <themill> unlikely
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1842[13:27:35] <j4ckcom> BluesKaj: liar
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1845[13:27:40] <j4ckcom> i can excute it
1846[13:27:47] <j4ckcom> x(
1847[13:27:59] <j4ckcom> it is not removed
1848[13:28:00] <themill> j4ckcom: please concentration on solving your problems and not calling other people names
1849[13:28:15] <BluesKaj> j4 did you reboot ?
1850[13:28:21] <j4ckcom> yes
1851[13:28:22] <TomTomTosch> check dpkg -l eclipse* to see what other packages are still installed.
1852[13:28:23] <BluesKaj> j4ckcom,^
1853[13:28:25] <j4ckcom> i reboot it now
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1855[13:29:12] <j4ckcom> Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold
1856[13:29:13] <j4ckcom> | Status=Not/Inst/Conf-files/Unpacked/halF-conf/Half-inst/trig-aWait/Trig-pend
1857[13:29:14] <j4ckcom> |/ Err?=(none)/Reinst-required (Status,Err: uppercase=bad)
1858[13:29:14] <j4ckcom> ||/ Name Version Architecture Description
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1861[13:29:45] <BluesKaj> !paste
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1863[13:29:52] <j4ckcom> TomTomTosch: what’s wrong?
1864[13:29:54] <BluesKaj> j4ckcom,^
1865[13:29:58] <themill> eclipse-platform: /usr/bin/eclipse
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1867[13:30:23] <TomTomTosch> j4ckcom: you are not meant to paste it in the channel.
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1871[13:31:56] <j4ckcom> x(
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1877[13:33:31] <RebelCoder> Hello guys..... I saw Debian RC2 iso image.
1878[13:33:38] <RebelCoder> Debian 9 RC2...
1879[13:33:51] <BlueProtoman> It's okay, we've all been there at some point. Just learn from this mistake and consider yourself a little better for it.
1880[13:33:54] <RebelCoder> Is there one with KDE Palsma 5 Desktop already ??
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1886[13:34:44] <themill> RebelCoder: yes, although you may find that you get to update all those packages immediately after installing them anyway
1887[13:35:20] <RebelCoder> themill, I only found DEbian9 RC2 iso with netinstall
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1889[13:35:36] <themill> where did you look?
1890[13:35:41] <RebelCoder> on the website
1891[13:35:44] <RebelCoder> Debian website
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1893[13:35:52] <RebelCoder> Can you link ?
1894[13:35:57] <themill> vague questions get vague answers...
1895[13:36:05] <themill> replaced-url
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1898[13:37:52] <RebelCoder> So yes..
1899[13:38:01] <RebelCoder> there are only XFCE and netinstall
1900[13:38:04] <RebelCoder> of RC2
1901[13:38:08] <RebelCoder> That is what I was talking about
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1906[13:38:51] <themill> DVD1 has kde on it
1907[13:38:59] <RebelCoder> ok then
1908[13:39:01] <RebelCoder> will go for that
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1911[13:41:43] <RebelCoder> themill, thank you... did not look in DVD section
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1913[13:41:59] <RebelCoder> Wondering if there is an aprox. release date for Debian 9
1914[13:42:13] <themill> !wwsr
1915[13:42:13] <dpkg> Well... it's starting to get distinctly chilly... Debian 9 "Stretch" will probably release in mid-2017. It will release sooner if you help fix bugs in stretch and sid... take that as a challenge. Ask me about <stretch freeze>, <how-can-i-help> replaced-url
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1929[13:51:16] <BluesKaj> RebelCoder, the netinstall image has kde in it's desktop options list, that's what i used to install stretch
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1934[13:53:40] <RebelCoder> are you sure ?
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1937[13:54:18] <themill> the option is there, sure. All the installers are the same
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1964[14:05:56] <plasmoduck> I find it's easier to teach computer illiterate old people Debian rather than Windows.
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1966[14:07:25] <n4dir> probably because it is easier
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1970[14:08:37] <BluesKaj> I'm old, but i learned debain about 12 yrs ago, 6 yrs after retirement
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1972[14:09:27] * BluesKaj retired at 56
1973[14:09:50] <rootkea> Hello! I am using xscreensaver on Debian Jessie. The screensaver "sonar" says "sonar must be setuid to ping" so I did `cd /usr/lib/xscreensaver; chown root:root sonar` `chmod u+s sonar` as mentioned in `man sonar` but it still says the same thing.
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1975[14:11:05] <BluesKaj> plasmoduck, just to let you know that not all old people are computer illiterate
1976[14:11:47] <rootkea> If I invoke sonar using `/usr/lib/xscreensaver/sonar` it works as expected but if I invoke it by locking the screen through xscreensaver then it displays the setuid message
1977[14:12:58] <BluesKaj> I met a computer engineer who runs fedora ...haven't seen him in a while tho, he was 84
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1979[14:13:20] <TimurTheLame> BluesKaj, :O
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1987[14:15:06] <TimurTheLame> BluesKaj, remind me to call you sir after each sentence, sir :D
1988[14:16:13] <BluesKaj> I've worked with software based integrators, laboratory instruments run by pcs with dos then windows application software from about 1980 to my retirement in 1999
1989[14:16:34] <n4dir> i started with computers at the age of 36 or such. Used Windows for 3 months, no internet, ran in a magazine at the local library which had linux distros. Switched. After a year switched to debian
1990[14:16:35] <aguardar> 🐮
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1992[14:16:47] <eoin> test
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1996[14:17:09] <n4dir> that is: if the OS is plain and clear, you can learn it at any age (even if being rather a non tech guy)
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1998[14:18:01] <BluesKaj> n4dir, I found that most linux users have a tech background of some kind
1999[14:18:17] <eoin> Not sure if my messages are sending? -- looking for some help mounting accessing an encrypted drive that disappears when i enter the password (LVM2_member?)
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2001[14:18:25] <BluesKaj> not all of course , but most
2002[14:19:29] <n4dir> BluesKaj: that may well be. I only told about me. And i got to say that to me understanding Windows is very difficult (well: was, i guess now i could find my way)
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2005[14:19:42] <n4dir> i think it is more easy to learn linux than windows
2006[14:20:18] <eoin> could someone tell me if they can see my text?
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2010[14:20:43] <TimurTheLame> eoin, yep
2011[14:20:50] <eoin> thanks
2012[14:20:51] <BluesKaj> n4dir, tbh, windows is too messy for me, I like the more direct approach and hands on options in linux
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2015[14:21:16] <aguardar> work both on win and Linux
2016[14:21:33] <n4dir> yup. To people it loos easy, as it is preinstalled and they know someone who administers it for them
2017[14:21:47] <n4dir> loos -> looks
2018[14:22:00] <BluesKaj> yup, for sure
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2020[14:22:41] <n4dir> alone the packagemanagement in (most) linux distros make it so more easy
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2022[14:23:14] <jelly> eoin: which debian release, what does "lsblk" say
2023[14:23:16] <jelly> !ask
2024[14:23:16] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
2025[14:23:26] <jelly> !paste
2026[14:23:26] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: replaced-url
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2028[14:24:10] <BluesKaj> I think my frustration with win98 and XP bugs, viruses , BSOD etc lead me to switch to linux after being a home user after retiring..computing became fun again after i discovered Linux ;-)
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2032[14:25:41] <eoin> jelly, im on linux mint
2033[14:26:09] <jelly> uh... ask in the right place, then,
2034[14:26:11] <jelly> !mint
2035[14:26:11] <dpkg> Linux Mint is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Please use their forums at replaced-url
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2038[14:26:29] <jelly> eoin: ##linux here on freenode may also be an option
2039[14:26:42] <BluesKaj> I needed a hobby for these long winters in Northern Ontario :-)
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2041[14:26:51] <eoin> jelly, i can't send any messages in there for some reason
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2046[14:27:25] <eoin> jelly, but thanks, i was under the impression it was a debian build
2047[14:27:30] <BluesKaj> eoin, you have to register your nick in freenode in order to join ##linux
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2049[14:27:47] <jelly> eoin: probably requires users to be identified to irc services. /msg nickserv help register, and /msg nickserv help
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2051[14:28:44] <jelly> eoin: if it's "distro built on debian with some changes on top", we can't tell which changes there are so you need to ask the people who actually know
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2053[14:29:46] <jelly> if you can reproduce the same issue on a debian installation, you may ask here and then there's some chance to get correct advice
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2058[14:30:34] <amitprakash> Hi, when trying to gain root access with sudo, I get a "Sorry, user amitprakash is not allowed to execute '/bin/bash' as root on 8bitrarity."
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2060[14:30:36] <amitprakash> What gives?
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2065[14:31:51] <jelly> amitprakash: did you give that user appropriate privileges for sudo?
2066[14:32:04] <amitprakash> jelly, yeah
2067[14:32:04] <jelly> amitprakash: eg. is it a member of sudo group?
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2069[14:32:40] <amitprakash> output for groups command: "desktop sudo users pulse-access steam"
2070[14:33:06] <jelly> amitprakash: if you did it recently, you need to log off and back on for the group to become active
2071[14:33:09] <amitprakash> Additionally, /etc/sudoers contains desktop sudo users pulse-access steam
2072[14:33:15] <amitprakash> jelly, have rebooted
2073[14:33:28] <jelly> amitprakash: which debian release is this
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2075[14:33:42] <amitprakash> jelly, it does not give me user isn't part of sudoers but that they're not allowed to execute bin/bash
2076[14:33:47] <amitprakash> jelly, testing
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2078[14:34:32] <jelly> amitprakash: pastebin the output of: grep -v ^# /etc/sudoers /etc/sudoers.d/*
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2080[14:35:14] <amitprakash> jelly, replaced-url
2081[14:35:31] <mingdao> doesn't also need wheel group?
2082[14:35:54] <amitprakash> mingdao, no wheel group in /etc/group
2083[14:36:14] <mingdao> add it
2084[14:36:30] <mingdao> in the past when I used sudo, I never had a sudo group, just wheel
2085[14:36:36] <mingdao> but I'm not a sudo fan, so ...
2086[14:36:46] <amitprakash> what? If wheel was needed the sudoers line would read "wheel ALL=(ALL:ALL) ALL" not "sudo ALL=(ALL:ALL) ALL"
2087[14:36:51] <amitprakash> the group here should be sudo
2088[14:37:04] <jelly> mingdao: wheel group on RHEL/Fedora is used for the same thing sudo group is used on Debian
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2090[14:37:14] <amitprakash> yep
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2093[14:37:32] <jelly> amitprakash: you don't have a line for group sudo in there
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2095[14:37:43] <mingdao> so sudo is some Debian only group?
2096[14:38:05] <jelly> amitprakash: it should start with a percent sign %sudo ...
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2098[14:38:39] <jelly> amitprakash: yours doesn't, and so it only works for a user named "sudo" if it exists
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2100[14:38:50] <amitprakash> jelly, so "%sudo ALL=(ALL:ALL) ALL" ?
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2102[14:38:56] <jelly> yes
2103[14:38:58] <mingdao> jelly: I've used wheel group on several distros (never RHEL/Fedora though) but never saw a sudo group
2104[14:39:10] <amitprakash> jelly, that worked! thanks
2105[14:39:16] <jelly> mingdao: then you haven't used debian in the last 10 years or so, I guess
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2107[14:39:35] <amitprakash> One other bit, does intel + vulkan work on deb?
2108[14:39:40] <mingdao> jelly: well, I take that back... ## Uncomment to allow members of group sudo to execute any command
2109[14:39:43] <mingdao> just saw that
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2111[14:39:45] <mingdao> live and learn
2112[14:39:55] <amitprakash> I've everything I need installed but vulkaninfo throws a /build/vulkan-kX_g0b/vulkan-1.0.39.0+dfsg1/demos/vulkaninfo.c:1485: failed with VK_ERROR_INITIALIZATION_FAILED
2113[14:40:24] <jelly> ask about it in
2114[14:40:27] <jelly> !debian-next
2115[14:40:27] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
2116[14:40:35] <mingdao> jelly: I do use Debian, just not sudo :D
2117[14:40:37] <amitprakash> jelly, thank you!
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2130[14:44:46] <abrotman> Eh, I thought python3 was going to be the default in Stretch?
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2132[14:45:09] <amitprakash> abrotman, afaik some x libs still don't support py3
2133[14:45:25] <abrotman> who uses X still?
2134[14:45:26] <amitprakash> nm, those would be python bindings
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2137[14:45:48] <Penix> how is X11 formed?!/....
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2140[14:46:59] <BluesKaj> abrotman, python 2.7.13-2 is default in strtetch atm
2141[14:47:14] <BluesKaj> stretch even
2142[14:48:03] <BluesKaj> amitprakash,^
2143[14:48:11] <jelly> what does "default" mean wrt python? Installed by default?
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2147[14:49:58] <amitprakash> BluesKaj, sure :)
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2149[14:50:06] <amitprakash> jelly, default python interpreter
2150[14:50:15] <BluesKaj> yes jelly ..looked in muon as a reference
2151[14:50:20] <jelly> don't see why debian should stray from PEP394
2152[14:50:26] <amitprakash> i.e. additionally, most packages would go to 2.7/site-packages
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2154[14:51:28] <jelly> amitprakash: sure, but what defines "default"? What gets installed with "python" package? What gets invoked as /usr/bin/python?
2155[14:52:05] <jelly> what gets installed in the base system?
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2163[14:54:01] <BluesKaj> \/usr/bin also contains python3.5
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2165[14:54:20] <BluesKaj> err /usr/bin
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2170[14:55:26] <rootkea> Hello! I'm using xscreensaver on Debian Jessie. Screensaver `sonar` says "sonar must be setuid to ping" when I start it through xscreensaver by locking the screen. But if I execute it directly as $ /usr/lib/xscreensaver/sonar it works as expected.
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2176[14:56:21] <TimurTheLame> rootkea, err, could you check /usr/bin/sonar? Maybe it's a script and it's broken somehow?
2177[14:56:34] <rootkea> I have setuid to sonar as documented in `man sonar` i.e. chown root:root sonar; chmod u+s sonar
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2179[14:57:01] <jelly> rootkea: technically it doesn't have to be setuid, it's enough to setcap cap_net_raw+ep the binary
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2181[14:57:22] <jelly> just like /bin/ping can be
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2183[14:57:48] <rootkea> TimurTheLame: There is no /usr/bin/sonar. There is /usr/lib/xscreensaver/sonar though
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2187[14:59:42] <jelly> rootkea: do you also see that message if you open "xscreensaver-command -prefs" and click Preview?
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2202[15:04:59] <rootkea> jelly: Sorry got disconnected.
2203[15:05:10] <jelly> rootkea: do you also see that message if you open "xscreensaver-command -prefs" and click Preview?
2204[15:05:33] <rootkea> And yes. I see the message about setuid if I lock the screen and when I see the preview.
2205[15:05:43] <jelly> and does "ls -ld /usr/lib/xscreensaver/sonar" confirm setuid's in place
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2207[15:06:05] <rootkea> jelly: It's only when I execute it directly it shows machines on LAN
2208[15:06:32] <jelly> rootkea: show the output of "ls -ld /usr/lib/xscreensaver/sonar"
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2210[15:06:53] <rootkea> jelly: Yes it shows the `s` bit -rwsr-xr-x 1 root root 104016 Apr 15 2016 /usr/lib/xscreensaver/sonar
2211[15:07:27] <jelly> interesting
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2214[15:08:02] <rootkea> And I would like to mention this but this used to work after that chmod +s thing
2215[15:08:30] <rootkea> Now I have no idea why it's not working through xscreensaver but work direct
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2217[15:09:53] <abrotman> BluesKaj: yes, I see that, hence my confusion
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2219[15:10:15] <abrotman> jelly: /usr/bin/python points at 2.7
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2222[15:11:02] <jelly> abrotman: yes, as PEP 394 says
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2229[15:13:03] <RebelCoder> Guys, did anyone had a second screen resolution problem on Debian 9 ?
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2233[15:13:27] <RebelCoder> No way to set the correct one in settings... Debian 8 was detecting screens correctly
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2236[15:14:15] <jelly> RebelCoder: does xrandr show correct max available resolution for all screens?
2237[15:15:04] <RebelCoder> No...
2238[15:15:11] <RebelCoder> Ny second screen is a 2K screen
2239[15:15:46] <RebelCoder> 2560×1440,
2240[15:15:55] <RebelCoder> this res is not listed for some odd reason
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2242[15:16:02] <pansophical> RebelCoder: what is your GPU?
2243[15:16:04] <RebelCoder> And Debina 8 was working out of the box
2244[15:16:24] <RebelCoder> Bumblebee driver Intel HD + GeForce 765M
2245[15:16:46] <RebelCoder> Before bumblebee it was the same... my 27' monitor resolution was not detected
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2252[15:18:32] <conspacer> is this the correct venue to ask about Debian-based distros tips? I need to use Debian but on a hiDPI (4k) screen. Any ideas would be appreciated. I have tried distros featuring XFCE, gnome and Unity, but really nothing works. About to fire up eLive (enlightenment)
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2256[15:19:30] <pansophical> RebelCoder: have you tried with the nvidia-driver from the non-free repo
2257[15:19:35] <zykotick9> !tell conspacer about based on debian
2258[15:19:46] <RebelCoder> This is what I am on now
2259[15:19:54] <pansophical> or the one from the backports if necessary
2260[15:20:06] <BluesKaj> conspacer, which gpu?
2261[15:20:14] <RebelCoder> pansophical, strange thing is, on Debian 8 it detects the correct res no matter what driver I am on
2262[15:20:21] <pansophical> by default
2263[15:20:22] <pansophical> ?
2264[15:20:24] <RebelCoder> yes
2265[15:20:25] <zykotick9> BluesKaj: please don't support non-debian distros in #d
2266[15:20:29] <RebelCoder> never had any issues....
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2268[15:20:38] <pansophical> and then you install the driver and it doesn't?
2269[15:20:48] <RebelCoder> ok...
2270[15:21:24] <BluesKaj> zykotick9, he hasn't told us it isn't debian ...yet :-)
2271[15:21:24] <pansophical> RebelCoder: what does nvidia-settings say?
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2274[15:21:38] <zykotick9> BluesKaj: "is this the correct venue to ask about Debian-based distros tips"
2275[15:21:40] <RebelCoder> On Debian 8 - two screen setup 1080p + 2k monitor are working no matter what driver I have... just detects the correct res.... just installed Debian 9 and it does not detect my 2K monitor correct res
2276[15:21:45] <RebelCoder> no matter what driver I have
2277[15:21:59] <RebelCoder> noting as I am using Bumblebee + prime
2278[15:22:09] <rootkea> Debian 9?
2279[15:22:22] <BluesKaj> ok conspacer , which distro ?
2280[15:23:40] <conspacer> zykotick9, I have been through the distrowatch searchs on debian based distros
2281[15:23:53] <conspacer> BluesKaj, nVidia unfortunately
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2283[15:24:21] <zykotick9> conspacer: sorry if i wasn't clear, NO this isn't the right stop to asked about "debian based" systems, only debian. try ##linux perhaps...
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2286[15:24:53] <conspacer> gotcha zykotick9 tx
2287[15:24:55] <BluesKaj> ok nvidia gpu, now which distro, conspacer
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2292[15:25:21] <conspacer> BluesKaj, I have tried many distros
2293[15:25:38] <conspacer> I was just wondering if anyone had expereince to point me right
2294[15:25:47] <conspacer> but as BluesKaj mentioned, not here :)
2295[15:25:59] <conspacer> whoops, zykotick9 mentioned
2296[15:26:06] <BluesKaj> so you haven't decided yet because thsi is debian only not debian-based
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2298[15:27:19] <abrotman> jelly: I didn't relaize that was a python.org thing, thanks
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2309[15:30:45] <hiya> last night my touchpad was alright, today the touchpad has gone crazy
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2311[15:30:55] <hiya> it would overreact to the touches
2312[15:31:27] <hiya> is there any way to fix it?
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2324[15:36:38] <RebelCoder> Too bad :( Regression in Debian 9
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2338[15:43:27] <Texou> report bugs :)
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2342[15:44:05] <rootkea> Texou: Doing exactly that!
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2345[15:44:24] <Texou> excellent
2346[15:44:35] <Texou> maybe it may be fixed if critical enough
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2383[15:52:35] <rootkea> Hello! I am seeing my hard disk space being eaten away at 100 MB per 10-20 seconds rate. It was 10GB stable but it's now 4.68GB and decreasing. I just noticed that! How do I find out what's eating my secondary storage?
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2385[15:54:02] <JPT> Well, what kind of processes are running?
2386[15:54:05] <rootkea> I hope I find the culprit process before it easts up the whole hard disk thereby forcing me to restart and then not able to start x and sh*t. Been there and it was horrible! Really don't want to go through that
2387[15:54:33] <JPT> Suspects may be any kind of logging as well as databases being filled with data
2388[15:55:00] <JPT> You can also use du -sh --apparent-size * on / and find your way to the increasing parts
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2393[15:56:21] <rootkea> Ok. I just checked htop and a process named `streamer` (will dig more now) was using my cpu at 98% or so. I just killed it. Now need to find out what it is exactly
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2397[15:58:19] <JPT> I don't know any particular software with that name, but i guess that binary has to be somewhere on your disks
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2407[16:01:52] <RebelCoder> guys, it seems that new current Debiab 9 core 4.9 has some Monitor resolution detection issues
2408[16:01:58] <rootkea> JPT: Since I killed the process I can't see it's command line. I mean arguments of it. Is there a log I can check to see what that process was doing. BTW man streamer says "treamer reads audio and/or video data from /dev/video0 and /dev/dsp and writes the data to the disk."
2409[16:02:04] <RebelCoder> Is there a way to install an older kernel ?
2410[16:02:05] <rootkea> Now I'm worried.
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2416[16:02:30] <rootkea> recording my audio/video without my consent.
2417[16:03:20] <JPT> rootkea: You could check /var/log/syslog (and others nearby). Perhaps the command journalctl might come in handy to search your log
2418[16:03:50] <JPT> Debian itself does not provide software that would do such things.
2419[16:04:05] <jelly> rootkea: there's only a log if you added process accounting in advance (acct package, also atop)
2420[16:04:29] <rootkea> RebelCoder: apt-get install linux-image-<version number> also you need linux-headers I guess
2421[16:04:43] <RebelCoder> Yes, but Debian only includes 4.9
2422[16:04:46] <jelly> rootkea: so you have a man page, presumably it's something you installed.
2423[16:04:56] <RebelCoder> I found, that 4.8 - 4.9 has Resolution issues
2424[16:05:08] <RebelCoder> So I want to go back to 4.4 for example
2425[16:05:21] <RebelCoder> I was ok on 3.16 all along on Deb 8 - 0 problems
2426[16:05:23] <jelly> RebelCoder: snapshot.debian.org
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2429[16:05:44] <rootkea> RebelCoder: 3.16 is in the repo
2430[16:05:51] <C745H> ping
2431[16:06:02] <rootkea> I'm using Debian Jessie BTW
2432[16:06:22] <C745H> i am kali linux 1.1.0
2433[16:06:27] <jelly> !kali
2434[16:06:27] <dpkg> Kali Linux (replaced-url
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2442[16:07:48] <C745H> need the access 2 an IRC forum
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2470[16:19:54] <RebelCoder> Can someone please direct me to a good instructions on how to install an older kernel on Debian ? backports don't contain Kernel 4.4 or 4.5...
2471[16:20:03] <RebelCoder> I need 4.4 for example
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2476[16:21:52] <mtn> RebelCoder: are you using testing or sid?
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2479[16:22:08] <RebelCoder> I just installed Debian 9 for ISO off of the website
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2482[16:22:19] <RebelCoder> deb replaced-url
2483[16:22:27] <mtn> RebelCoder: so, that would be "yes". testing/unstable: #debian-next (irc.oftc.net)
2484[16:23:17] <RebelCoder> But this applies to both, Debian 8/9.... I did not find a proper way to install the Kernel...
2485[16:23:22] <RebelCoder> just the one that is in the repo....
2486[16:23:29] <RebelCoder> main repo that is
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2491[16:24:26] <mtn> RebelCoder: replaced-url
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2495[16:25:46] <RebelCoder> mtn, this contains ISO files
2496[16:25:50] <RebelCoder> not kernels
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2500[16:26:54] <skx> some people into vault7 cia leaks? many exploits targeting debian and linux as a whole?
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2502[16:27:47] <mtn> RebelCoder: sorry, this is it, I believe: replaced-url
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2509[16:29:02] <userro> I wonder how wikileaks got that info
2510[16:29:20] <userro> did someone from cia leak?
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2512[16:29:25] <RebelCoder> Yes...
2513[16:29:30] <RebelCoder> People., who care
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2539[16:40:01] <TimurTheLame> replaced-url
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2542[16:40:47] <TimurTheLame> "The crown of government is tarnished -- but that will fade in time. The Snowden leaks, a fever dream; the Vault 7 leaks, a horrible nightmare" :D
2543[16:40:59] <TimurTheLame> Saying this mostly tongue-in-cheek :P
2544[16:41:07] <RebelCoder> NOTE: Whoever has two+ HiDPI screens - will have a resolution issue. Just roll back to kernel 4.4 - 4.5
2545[16:41:30] <RebelCoder> This is for Debian 9
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2548[16:41:49] <RebelCoder> Resolution just works after a rollback
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2555[16:43:13] <abrotman> TimurTheLame: wrong channel, try #debian-offtopic please
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2557[16:43:18] <TimurTheLame> :D
2558[16:43:21] <abrotman> not amused
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2576[16:52:59] <cnnx> can i get repositories from debian in centos?
2577[16:53:09] <cnnx> i mean if i want to access packages that are available on debian
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2579[16:53:43] <mtn> cnnx: you can download them from the debian packages website
2580[16:53:58] <cnnx> so centos is limited?
2581[16:54:04] <cnnx> in what it can install?
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2583[16:54:16] <mtn> cnnx: all distros are
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2586[16:55:25] <abrotman> judd: info alien
2587[16:55:26] <judd> Package alien (admin, optional) in jessie/amd64: convert and install rpm and other packages. Version: 8.92; Size: 79.7k; Installed: 212k; Homepage: replaced-url
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2616[17:09:47] <dontknow> hi! i am using packported latest firefox release. but today after doing upgrade, it doesn't update the firefox package. if i do dist-upgrade, it wants to install firefox-esr package besides firefox
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2620[17:10:40] <dutchfish> !firefox-esr
2621[17:10:40] <dpkg> From 2016-06-09, the firefox-esr package replaces the iceweasel package in Debian 8 "Jessie". The iceweasel package used to track the Extended Support Releases (ESR) of Mozilla Firefox to get security fixes, what changes is the icon and the name of the binary (/usr/bin/firefox). Ask me about <firefox>.
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2623[17:11:23] <dontknow> dutchfish, what is the relation of it to my situation?
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2626[17:12:22] <jhutchins> RebelCoder: Testing is not released yet, It exists to test the distribution prior to release. It does not have all of the functions of an actual release.
2627[17:12:58] <dutchfish> dontknow, as far as debian/stable, the naming is now firefox-esr to go with (and get the latest security patches in a timely fashion)
2628[17:13:15] <zykotick9> dontknow: the firefox-esr from main is not a higher version 52 vs 51 then the previous backported firefox version
2629[17:13:24] <zykotick9> s/not/now/
2630[17:13:28] <jhutchins> ,v firefox
2631[17:13:29] <judd> Package: firefox on amd64 -- jessie-backports/firefox-release: 51.0.1-3~bpo80+1; sid: 52.0-1; experimental: 53.0~b1-1
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2633[17:13:53] <RebelCoder> jhutchins, just tested kernels 4.6 - 4.10 - non of them worked with HiDPI screens of mine
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2635[17:14:05] <RebelCoder> 4.5 or lower works just fine
2636[17:14:24] <jhutchins> ,kernels
2637[17:14:25] <judd> Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.10.0-rc6-686-pae (4.10~rc6-1~exp2); sid: 4.9.0-2-686 (4.9.13-1); stretch: 4.9.0-2-686 (4.9.13-1); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.2-686-pae (4.9.13-1~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.39-1+deb8u2); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.86-1)
2638[17:14:29] <dontknow> zykotick9, dutchfish well, i want to use latest firefox
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2641[17:15:16] <dontknow> jhutchins, so does it mean backported firefox is v 51?
2642[17:15:24] <dontknow> if so why is it give me that warning
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2644[17:15:46] <jhutchins> RebelCoder: If a problem exists in the current testing kernel (4.9.0-2) please report it. If you want to discuss it, please join #debian-next on oftc.net.
2645[17:16:38] <jhutchins> !mozilla.debian.net
2646[17:16:39] <dpkg> For stable releases, newer versions of Firefox, Icedove and Iceape can be found at replaced-url
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2653[17:17:34] <dontknow> jhutchins, man, i know. that's how i use latest firefox
2654[17:17:45] <dontknow> but it doesn't upgrade now
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2658[17:18:38] <dontknow> if i do dist-upgrade it is going to install firefox-esr with firefox release
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2664[17:19:28] <dutchfish> dontknow, what version have you currently installed?
2665[17:19:38] <dontknow> dutchfish, v51
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2670[17:20:07] <dutchfish> dontknow, no, i ment full debian package name.
2671[17:20:08] * zykotick9 can confirm dontknow's claim (on stable) my m.d.n "release" was just changed to debian main's firefox-esr
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2673[17:20:16] <herbmillerjr> No matter what version I install, my postinst script is getting nothing for $2 (old package version) in the configure phase. What am I doing wrong?
2674[17:20:24] <dutchfish> dontknow, see: replaced-url
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2677[17:21:23] <dutchfish> dontknow, if you rolled your own, you can ignore my remarks
2678[17:21:55] <dontknow> zykotick9, so what is the problem?
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2680[17:22:31] <zykotick9> dontknow: i don't consider it a problem myself... ymmv. good luck.
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2685[17:23:26] <somiaj> I think firefox-release comes from jessie-backports normally now
2686[17:23:29] <somiaj> ,v firefox-release
2687[17:23:30] <judd> No package named 'firefox-release' was found in amd64.
2688[17:23:33] <somiaj> ,v firefox
2689[17:23:39] <dontknow> oh no! WARNING: Jessie backports of Firefox release, beta and aurora are gone because of the upcoming requirement of rust to build them, which is not available in Jessie. Please update your apt sources to use Firefox ESR instead.
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2692[17:24:10] <zykotick9> dontknow: thanks.
2693[17:24:12] <judd> Package: firefox on amd64 -- jessie-backports/firefox-release: 51.0.1-3~bpo80+1; sid: 52.0-1; experimental: 53.0~b1-1
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2695[17:24:24] <dontknow> i am doomed
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2697[17:24:45] <somiaj> ahh nevermind, that must have been the old m.d.o version in judd
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2701[17:26:42] <jhutchins> dontknow: What is in the newer version that you need so badly? It's a web browser. It renders web pages.
2702[17:27:18] <dontknow> jhutchins, i also enabled e10s multi process. it is more snappy
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2704[17:28:08] <dontknow> also new firefox profile is not compatible with old versions :/
2705[17:28:21] <dontknow> i have to retweak it
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2712[17:30:02] <dontknow> wait a sec. if newer firefox versions require rust, how do devs. will compile next esr release?
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2715[17:30:48] <jhutchins> They won't. Use chromium.
2716[17:31:00] <dutchfish> dontknow its work in progress see: replaced-url
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2718[17:31:48] <jhutchins> There are a number of projects that are getting way to far ahead of their stable production releases.
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2724[17:33:36] <dutchfish> to my humble opinion, if you want to use firefox in debian/stable stick to firefox-esr 45.8.0esr-1~deb8u1
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2727[17:34:44] <dutchfish> jhutchins, true.
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2729[17:35:05] <dontknow> i think i will wait the 52esr version
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2736[17:35:56] <dutchfish> dontknow, or roll your ow. Btw i do that for the latest stable chrome browser releases and works pretty well (talking about security)
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2739[17:36:28] <brokency1le> Hi!
2740[17:36:42] <dontknow> dutchfish, you compile chrome browser?
2741[17:37:04] <dutchfish> dontknow, or use the latest releases (both)
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2743[17:37:20] <dontknow> i will not use chromium or chrome
2744[17:37:27] <dutchfish> dontknow, all major brwosers are moving targets at this moment
2745[17:37:40] <topyli> well, i have 52esr, from the debian mozilla team
2746[17:37:44] <zykotick9> dontknow: "i think i will wait the 52esr version" <- the 52esr is already on the mirrors...
2747[17:37:50] <dutchfish> dontknow, but you could do the same with firefox
2748[17:38:28] <dontknow> zykotick9, if i install esr will it be 52-esr?
2749[17:38:37] <dutchfish> dontknow, the key word for me is: security.
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2753[17:39:43] <zykotick9> dontknow: yes. (assuming you are running stable, on my system the backported "release" was automatically changed to main repo's 52ESR
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2757[17:41:10] <dontknow> zykotick9, yeah it looks like 52esr at the moment
2758[17:41:16] <TomTomTosch> that's only in the mdn repo. firefox-esr in jessie is still 45. really, that site has all the information: replaced-url
2759[17:41:18] <dontknow> let me install it :S
2760[17:41:39] <dontknow> :S
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2762[17:42:45] <dutchfish> dontknow, this is on my daily watchlist (hint) replaced-url
2763[17:42:54] <zykotick9> TomTomTosch: ah, sorry you are correct. dontknow take note, 52esr _IS_ coming from bpo
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2771[17:43:43] <TomTomTosch> and that's the mozilla repo, not the jessie-backports from ordinary mirrors.
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2773[17:44:37] <dontknow> dutchfish, that page is a mess. lol
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2775[17:45:01] <dutchfish> dontknow, not that page, but browsers in general ;)
2776[17:45:08] <topyli> zykotick9: no, it's from mozilla.debian.net
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2779[17:45:54] <zykotick9> topyli: i agree, but when you "apt-cache policy firefox-esr" it returns "Installed: 52.0esr-1~bpo80+1" thus why i stated bpo
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2783[17:46:16] <dontknow> yeah it shows 52
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2788[17:47:31] <topyli> zykotick9: oh so it does. sorry
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2790[17:47:36] <dontknow> i think it will be 52esr next month
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2804[17:49:57] <skx> yes, i also just updated firefox, anyway else noticing huge increase in speed?
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2807[17:50:15] <skx> finally... :)
2808[17:50:29] <dontknow> skx, what version do you use?
2809[17:50:45] <skx> 52
2810[17:50:56] <skx> the one which was just made available in repos
2811[17:51:06] <dontknow> skx, esr?
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2813[17:51:20] <skx> its really noticable when you are using a shitty netbook :)
2814[17:51:27] <skx> yes
2815[17:51:43] <dontknow> man just decide what vwesion in the main repo please
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2817[17:52:07] <dontknow> some says 45, some says 52
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2819[17:52:30] <topyli> heh
2820[17:52:56] <topyli> 45 in main, 52 in the mozilla team repo
2821[17:52:57] <dutchfish> skx, be warned, that 52.0esr-1 is faster, because it hasnt all the security fixes (yet)
2822[17:53:18] <skx> yes seems backported release became esr edition
2823[17:53:18] <dontknow> skx, you just use the stable without sources.list modified right?
2824[17:53:27] <skx> yes
2825[17:53:33] <dontknow> ok
2826[17:53:50] <skx> dutchfish: what do you mean? which security fixes?
2827[17:54:03] <skx> it should include all up to v52
2828[17:54:04] <dontknow> skx, you can enable e10s for faster snappy firefox
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2830[17:54:45] <dontknow> but you may get problem with incompatible addons
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2832[17:55:06] <skx> e10s is already couple of releases enabled by default, no?
2833[17:55:18] <dontknow> for some
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2835[17:55:35] <nb-ben> hi, I'm trying to reset my wifi adapter, however I've noticed some changes with the networking commands (no ifconfig, ifdown/ifup don't recognize my wireless device's name etc..)
2836[17:55:58] <nb-ben> how would I do the same thing that an `ifdown <device>` would do by using either `iw` or `ip`?
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2838[17:57:12] <dutchfish> skx, only these are fixed, the other pending CVE's not (yet) replaced-url
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2842[17:58:15] <skx> how would a non applied security fixed increase the speed of the browser?
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2844[17:58:22] <dontknow> skx, man it installs 45esr
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2846[17:59:30] <dutchfish> skx, i think my info will do for now, you are free to choose whatever you like.
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2848[18:00:20] <Girc> \o
2849[18:00:58] <skx> my question is, which security fixes have such high impact? please elaborate
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2858[18:03:08] <dontknow> skx, you lied to me
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2867[18:05:13] <zykotick9> note/warning to anyone not using Pulse audio. Firefox 52ESR requires it for audio :( "To play audio, you may need to install the required PulseAudio software."
2868[18:05:34] <dontknow> zykotick9, oh no!
2869[18:05:42] <dontknow> that's too much
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2871[18:06:18] <dontknow> i think i will be with v51 for forever
2872[18:07:01] <teclo-> 52ESR ?
2873[18:07:13] <teclo-> Firefox 52ESR ?
2874[18:07:45] <dontknow> yes
2875[18:08:07] <dontknow> zykotick9, where did you see that?
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2879[18:08:43] <zykotick9> after updating went to YouTube and there was no sound, then i notice a firefox "drop down" message that stated the quote above :(
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2889[18:12:05] <zykotick9> a picture is worth a thousand words? perhaps not always ;) replaced-url
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2897[18:14:22] <dontknow> zykotick9, but how did you upgrade to 52esr?
2898[18:14:42] <zykotick9> dontknow: yes, that was the 52esr version.
2899[18:14:53] <dontknow> i attempted to download it. and it downloads v45
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2904[18:18:01] <zykotick9> ok, the fix that worked for me. purge firefox-esr/firefox (v52.0esr-1~bpo80+1), remove m.d.n from sources.list, reinstall firefox-esr v45.8.0esr-1~deb8u1 sound works WITHOUT pulse installed :)
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2910[18:20:18] <dontknow> zykotick9, you will be faced the same next month
2911[18:20:37] <zykotick9> :(
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2937[18:30:57] <mtcj> I'm trying to delete all spaces within two single quotes in an input while leaving the rest of the input alone. Any advice on the pattern to use with send?
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2941[18:31:43] <mtcj> 'foo bar' -> 'foobar' as well as 'foo ' -> 'foo'
2942[18:32:38] <skx> dontknow: how did i lie
2943[18:32:47] <han-solo> tr -d' ' <<<'foo bar'
2944[18:32:58] <skx> wth is wrong with your offensive attitude?
2945[18:34:02] <dontknow> skx, you said it upgraded to 52esr without modifying sources.list
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2950[18:34:34] <skx> i told you i have the release version, which implies modified sources.list
2951[18:34:57] <skx> go walking out and take some fresh air
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2953[18:35:14] <mtcj> han-solo: there are spaces outside the single quotes I want left intact.
2954[18:35:33] <dontknow> skx, <dontknow> skx, you just use the stable without sources.list modified right?
2955[18:35:34] <dontknow> <skx> yes
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2957[18:36:31] <skx> debian stable with modified sources.list which includes deb replaced-url
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2967[18:39:09] <dontknow> skx, WARNING: Jessie backports of Firefox release, beta and aurora are gone because of the upcoming requirement of rust to build them, which is not available in Jessie. Please update your apt sources to use Firefox ESR instead.
2968[18:39:30] <dontknow> it installed to you despite that warning?
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2970[18:40:42] <skx> it was kept back but i overruled
2971[18:40:48] <skx> via synaptic
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2973[18:41:03] <mtcj> Why doesn't the single quote get escaped in "sed 's/\'//'' ?
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2975[18:41:21] <mtcj> bash just sits there waiting for the closing quote
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2977[18:42:03] <mtcj> Although I missed a final single quote in IRC it is indeed in my console
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2979[18:42:32] <han-solo> mtcj: sed "s/\'//' <<<"hello 'world'"
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2982[18:42:39] <han-solo> mtcj: sed "s/\'//" <<<"hello 'world'"
2983[18:42:52] <v0lk> I've got a problem with raspian / debian for the pi zero - can't get wg111v2 USB wifi adapter to work
2984[18:43:12] <v0lk> works fine on debian desktop but not on pi, anyone have this problem?
2985[18:43:40] <mtcj> han-solo: in that case sed simply doesn't substitute the single quote at all, it leaves the input the same
2986[18:43:47] <mtcj> Which doesn't seem right
2987[18:43:54] <jelly> !raspbian
2988[18:43:54] <dpkg> Raspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use #raspbian on irc.freenode.net for support. replaced-url
2989[18:43:57] <han-solo> yeah, i was wondering about that
2990[18:44:04] <han-solo> ask in #bash
2991[18:44:11] <mtcj> Yeah
2992[18:44:52] <jelly> mtcj: that syntax doesn't do what you seem to want it to do
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2994[18:45:22] <mtcj> Yeah
2995[18:45:22] <jelly> mtcj: one option: close the single quote, then type an escaped \' then reopen single quote
2996[18:45:41] <jelly> sed 's/'\''//' # fun
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2999[18:46:24] <mtcj> That just waits for a closing quote
3000[18:46:33] <jelly> or use something else, eg. sed "s/'//"
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3003[18:46:48] <mtcj> Like I said that doesn't work...
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3005[18:46:59] <jelly> wfm
3006[18:47:05] <mtcj> Nono
3007[18:47:08] <mtcj> You're right
3008[18:47:13] <mtcj> Idk wtf I was doing
3009[18:47:21] <jelly> jelly@kanta:~$ sed 's/'\''//' <<<"hello 'world'"
3010[18:47:21] <jelly> hello world'
3011[18:47:23] <mtcj> Your final one is completely correct
3012[18:47:32] <jelly> as expected
3013[18:47:37] <stoned> jelly: what is kanta?
3014[18:47:42] <jelly> stoned: hostname
3015[18:47:49] <stoned> jelly: in Urdu it means
3016[18:47:52] <stoned> thorn
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3018[18:48:33] <han-solo> mtcj: sed "s/'//g" <<<"hello 'world'" # some things are sometimes overlooked
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3042[18:54:22] <mtcj> Heh
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3044[18:54:51] <mtcj> Is root@ banned here? Been in channels like that
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3047[18:55:23] <jelly> mtcj: quieted, and gets an on-join notice
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3066[19:03:17] <m4rcu5> I always used to the testing repository to my machine, pin it at -1, and install the packages i needed with --target-release testing, however they seem to be excluded from updates when running a full-upgrade. I feel i am doing something wrong here? :)
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3069[19:03:54] <jelly> m4rcu5: mixing stable with anything newer is what is wrong
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3073[19:04:57] <m4rcu5> jelly: yeah, i know, but sometimes you need a package that is newer then the current stable. and especially when it has almost no dependencies it is doable
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3075[19:05:33] <n4dir> nice story, but it is still wrong.
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3077[19:06:01] <jelly> m4rcu5: "almost no dependencies" means "almost no chance for a fuckup"
3078[19:06:22] <jelly> (this is why backports exist)
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3081[19:07:10] <m4rcu5> its not in backports. So whats the right way then?
3082[19:07:33] <jelly> !ssb
3083[19:07:33] <dpkg> First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
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3087[19:09:15] <m4rcu5> ow dear, so the right way is compile and package the thing yourself. Which does not fix my how to include it in apt full-upgrade ;)
3088[19:09:24] <jelly> correct
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3091[19:09:45] <jelly> m4rcu5: testing repo is not configured to be used as an additional repo, like jessie-backports is, so you can't include it like that
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3094[19:10:27] <jelly> the only way would be to run that full-upgrade _with_ -t/--target-release testing, and that would pull _everything_ from testing
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3097[19:11:01] <n4dir> in testing upgrades can take quite a bit, assuming one of the dependencies is for whatever reason not in testing.
3098[19:11:38] <n4dir> i mean: there is a reason people and the official docs don't recommend to simply add testing
3099[19:12:02] <jelly> possibly, pin a particular package name to a particular release
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3101[19:12:27] <jelly> (with a priority that allows for automatic upgrade)
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3103[19:13:06] <jelly> m4rcu5: all those options are a pain in some way or the other
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3105[19:13:24] <m4rcu5> jelly: ok, i was trying to avoid the package pinning, becasue i never figured out the right numbers :)
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3108[19:14:35] <jelly> ideally there'd be a way to do automatic backport builds whenever there's a newer version in testing and putting it in your own custom repo
3109[19:14:56] <jelly> if you ever implement that, let us know :-D
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3111[19:15:52] <m4rcu5> jelly: that sounds like a Jenkins job?
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3113[19:16:20] <jelly> yes
3114[19:16:20] <n4dir> isn't there a file in the debian directory which informs the dev/maintainer that a new version is out in the wild?
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3127[19:20:06] <n4dir> replaced-url
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3142[19:27:21] <zy]x[yz> is it possible to install python:i386 on amd64 debian after enabling multiarch? when I try, I see dependency errors: replaced-url
3143[19:27:43] <jelly> zy]x[yz: not alongside python:amd64, no
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3146[19:28:41] <zy]x[yz> dang, I thought as much. I wonder what they odds are that I can purge python:amd64 from my system...
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3150[19:29:29] <petn-randall> zy]x[yz: You can always install it in a chroot, depends on what your problem is.
3151[19:29:45] <zy]x[yz> I've thought of that, too. that might be what I resort to
3152[19:29:58] <zy]x[yz> long story short, I'm trying to reduce the memory footprint of a python app that I run in a very memory-limited openvz container, and apparently there doesn't exist a 32-bit template for debian 8
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3160[19:32:47] <zy]x[yz> alright, I've got some stuff to try. thanks for the answers
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3180[19:42:07] <zy]x[yz> yeah, I don't think an install python- python:i386 is going to work. I mean, that worked, but then apt doesn't recognize it as satisfying dependencies on python. the chroot is probably my best bet. thanks again
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3215[19:51:56] <Lyberta> hi, I have installed debian on my phone in chroot but it has linux 3.0.8 and glibc from testing requires at least version 3.2, I want to install a virtualized OS so I can install Debian testing on it, which packages do I need?
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3256[20:14:44] <sypher> If I want to author code under a free software license that would not introduce issues when linking to libraries like OpenSSL, which would be the best license to use?
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3351[21:08:32] <th_> anyone get fglrx compiled on stretch?
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3355[21:09:52] <teraflops> fglrx is dead
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3358[21:12:05] <th_> im trying to get better performance on gnome/metacity, dragging windows around feels sluggish, like frames are dropped, regular gl apps perform fine though
3359[21:12:06] <jelly> it's just resting?
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3361[21:12:27] <jelly> th_: ask in...
3362[21:12:31] <jelly> !debian-next
3363[21:12:31] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
3364[21:13:04] <th_> its invite only
3365[21:13:11] <jelly> ...
3366[21:13:36] <th_> lol
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3368[21:14:02] <th_> whats the point of putting it on another network
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3370[21:14:26] <jelly> all the debian channels are on OFTC. _This_ is the other network
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3374[21:15:52] <stoned> yeah, why is this the other network?
3375[21:16:10] <th_> well somebody put in topic "UNOFFICIAL CHANNEL"
3376[21:16:44] <stoned> I don't remember why debian wanted to move to oftc
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3378[21:16:55] <stoned> that was few years ago that moving
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3381[21:17:53] <TomTomTosch> !oftc move
3382[21:17:53] <dpkg> irc.debian.org moved to OFTC on June 4th 2006, see replaced-url
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3432[21:39:00] <deep> Does anyone here knows what the output of this circuit across R5 here: replaced-url
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3435[21:40:38] <sypher> deep: Welcome to #debian. What is your Debian-related inquiry?
3436[21:40:42] <th_> 5 volts
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3438[21:41:15] <deep> sypher: sorry,it's irrelevant
3439[21:41:18] <th_> and a potato
3440[21:41:36] <joze> one volt may be from a potato
3441[21:41:40] <joze> who knows?
3442[21:41:41] <stoned> ##electronics
3443[21:41:43] <th_> ^^
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3445[21:42:05] <th_> you can power it with potatos and lemons
3446[21:42:08] <deep> stoned: ah,ok.thanx a lot
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3449[21:42:48] <joze> is irrelevant a german or english word?
3450[21:42:53] <th_> make the circuit with paper and graphite
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3453[21:43:45] <Fahrradkette> hello everybody. I'm trying to find a jit lua 5.2 library but can only find libluajit-5.1 Does that library have another name now?
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3461[21:45:29] <jelly> Fahrradkette: maybe there is no 5.2 in debian 8?
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3464[21:46:09] <jelly> ,v luajit
3465[21:46:10] <judd> Package: luajit on amd64 -- wheezy-backports: 2.0.3+dfsg-3~bpo70+1; jessie: 2.0.3+dfsg-3; stretch: 2.0.4+dfsg-1+b1; sid: 2.0.4+dfsg-1+b1; experimental: 2.1.0~beta2+dfsg-3
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3471[21:48:50] <jelly> I'm confused by those version numbers vs. version numbers on replaced-url
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3475[21:49:41] <ajaXHorseman> Please forgive me, I am not sure if this is the appropriate place to ask this, this is day 2 on irc for me. I cant for the life of me register on OFTC is "/msg nickserv REGISTER password email" not correct?
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3478[21:50:10] <ajaXHorseman> I just want to explore all the debian channels!!! Please help! lol
3479[21:50:31] <pansophical> ajaXHorseman: /msg nickserv help
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3481[21:50:45] <pansophical> ajaXHorseman: /msg alis list *chan*
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3484[21:50:49] <th_> try register lowercase
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3486[21:51:09] <ajaXHorseman> trying ty
3487[21:51:12] <th_> after registering you gotta use the web gui to activate self cloak
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3489[21:51:21] <Fahrradkette> it looks like even version 2.1.0~beta2+dfsg-3 is lua 5.1 :(
3490[21:51:31] <Fahrradkette> replaced-url
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3492[21:52:18] <Fahrradkette> thanks for pointing me to the right direction jelly
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3494[21:52:29] <jelly> ah, wrong upstream replaced-url
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3496[21:52:55] <ajaXHorseman> Why does every example have register in all caps? wtf lowercase worked perfectly.
3497[21:53:07] <ajaXHorseman> th_: thx
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3500[21:53:18] <jelly> a good question for #oftc over there
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3558[22:16:46] <A|an> How do you use apt to autoremove (*specifically*) packages that were auto-installed along with a particular installed package?
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3562[22:18:01] <A|an> I don't want to autoremove everything that has been auto-installed
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3566[22:19:05] <OS-27720> jesus im so confused about how the material matches with any of these labs
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3579[22:23:27] <jelly> A|an: no way to do that. autoremoves cleans up all the packages that are unneeded and autoinstalled at present time
3580[22:23:28] <OS-27720> jesus
3581[22:23:34] <OS-27720> the hint for !payday
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3585[22:24:19] <jelly> OS-27720: you're probably writing in the wrong place, this is #debian channel, for tech support of one specific linux distro
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3610[22:39:58] <A|an> jelly: thanks
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3612[22:41:28] <A|an> jelly: btw, I noticed on the lengthy some packages associated with libreoffice, which I kinda think I'd want to keep...is "unneeded" determined by how long it's been since they were invoked?
3613[22:41:40] <A|an> (...lengthy list...)
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3623[22:44:00] <jelly> A|an: no. The only things considered: were they automatically installed, and is any manually installed package that Depends: on or Recommends: them still installed
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3627[22:45:04] <jelly> A|an: so if you want to keep some of that, mark them manually installed, either with apt-mark, or just "apt-get/aptitude install packagename"
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3630[22:46:10] <A|an> jelly: ah..thanks for the insight
3631[22:46:11] <jelly> presumably if you "apt-get install libreoffice" that will keep all the libreoffice bits and pieces in place
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3636[22:48:45] <A|an> that's normally what I do
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3638[22:50:34] <A|an> so, just to clarify, as an example, I could run autoremove and it'll leave alone packages that I've installed with "apt-get install"?
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3640[22:51:10] <A|an> libreoffice is presently installed
3641[22:51:28] <A|an> and I want to keep it and not dork it up
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3657[23:02:42] <CutMeOwnThroat> yes… anyway, you will see what packages it removes
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3660[23:03:59] <jelly> A|an: but is it presently manually installed, or presently autoinstalled?
3661[23:04:19] <jelly> doing an "apt-get install libreoffice" will switch it to manual
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