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3[00:00:44] <hmz365> hi.all
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6[00:01:34] <teraflops> rebekah: you did not say it was a custom image at the first place, also idk what they add to their images, also unnecessary is not the same for you and me i think
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9[00:02:25] <rebekah> teraflops: sure, i guess i was thinking in terms of finding packages that really dont have dependencies that are installed
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12[00:03:00] <teraflops> ah
13[00:03:08] <rebekah> or like... things that wont break the system if i remove them (without just the tedious trial and error method)
14[00:04:07] <teraflops> rebekah: i don think they (the vps provider) add useless stuff to a minimal installation image
15[00:04:29] <rebekah> goes back to what you think is useless
16[00:04:37] <teraflops> rebekah: is the vps a low end one wih limited storage?
17[00:04:43] <teraflops> yeah hehe
18[00:04:58] <teraflops> hard to say anyway at least for me
19[00:05:15] <rebekah> teraflops: no, not particularly, but i have always in the past stripped own a vps before i started adding the software i need to it
20[00:05:27] <rebekah> that was im pretty clear whats actually on the system
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26[00:07:52] <rebekah> i dont do it often so i dont have a good method of doing it except trying apt-get --purge remove foobar and seeing what dependencies its going to take with it
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28[00:08:13] <rebekah> and using some of my own discretion... dont remove vim, etc
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32[00:10:11] <coruja> rebekah, you want to take a look at deborphan
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34[00:11:27] <rgr> new install. what do I need to install in order to read system mail?
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36[00:12:11] <unborn> rgr: ssh and just system base
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39[00:13:05] <rebekah> coruja: ill take a look at that, thanks
40[00:13:07] <rgr> have both
41[00:13:14] <rgr> no "mail" program
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43[00:13:24] * unborn tracker miner and tracker store - takes too much.. :(
44[00:13:44] <unborn> rgr: so install one
45[00:14:15] <rgr> unborn: what does that mean exactly? I dont want to install just anything. MI wondering where my command line spool reader is.
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57[00:20:57] <unborn> rgr: you want to read system mail but no "mail" program... to read any text files be it logs or mails you can use nano.
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60[00:22:53] <unborn> rgr: or perhaps.. replaced-url
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102[00:49:08] <CeBe> rgr: define "system mail"
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104[00:50:15] <Bliepo> I don't know whether the people who kindly helped me before (with the network card, chipset BCM4366) are still here, but against all odds: I got it working!
105[00:51:21] <Bliepo> Anyway, what would be an appropiate place to post a guide on this?
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108[00:51:44] <somiaj> Bliepo: there isn't one on the debian wiki already? What did you have to do? I thought firmware was enough.
109[00:51:44] <rudi_s> Bliepo: I don't know the details, but Debian Wiki sounds like a good place.
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115[00:53:04] <heap_> hi, is there any channel for the debian arm distro?
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117[00:53:42] <Bliepo> somiaj: It's about the Asus PCE-AC88 which needs a bit of additional work
118[00:53:50] <Bliepo> I'll check the wiki
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122[00:56:09] <Bliepo> Hmmm
123[00:56:20] <Bliepo> wiki doesn't seem to be the place for how-to's to me
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131[01:00:54] <rudi_s> Bliepo: Well, not exactly "how-tos", but IMO it's the place for specific instructions to get a specific piece of hardware running. And it already contains many such instructions.
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133[01:01:57] <Bliepo> rudi_s: I'm having trouble finding it though
134[01:02:14] <rudi_s> Bliepo: Finding what?
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137[01:02:33] <loeken> Bliepo, suggestion: google for your problem and try to respond your solution to the first result on google
138[01:02:37] <loeken> that way most ppl will see it :)
139[01:02:46] <Bliepo> Oh
140[01:02:50] <Bliepo> That's a good one
141[01:03:14] <loeken> i do that with the tricky ones :p
142[01:03:40] <Bliepo> Yeah, this card was a lot of work really
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166[01:22:52] <Bliepo> If you add backports to sources.list, it will still default to 'normal' packages right?
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171[01:27:01] <lfmmc> help
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173[01:27:13] <jrtc27> Bliepo: yes
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179[01:30:13] <jasonwc> I have a standard MCE IR receiver (Media Center Ed. eHome Infrared Remote Transceiver (147a:e042)) and it doesn't work properly in the 3.16 kernel on Jessie or the 4.9 kernel from backports. On 3.16, the directional keypads work as well as a number of other keys, but enter/OK does nothing, pause doesn't work, as well as a number of other buttons. In 4.9, no keys work. In both cases, the
180[01:30:13] <jasonwc> reciver lights up indicating it has received a message. The remote should just work as the key presses are treated like they are from a keyboard. I have no issues on OpenELEC, which uses kernel 4.4.
181[01:30:34] <jasonwc> Here is the dmesg output - no errors shown, replaced-url
182[01:30:57] <somiaj> do you have access to the config that built the 4.4 kernel that works?
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186[01:31:48] <jasonwc> somiaj: Presumably, I have access to the source for OpenPHT, which can be used to build it
187[01:32:06] <jasonwc> I initially thought I had this issue: replaced-url
188[01:32:12] <jasonwc> However, I checked config.c and it shows n = 10
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191[01:32:37] <somiaj> well the debian config file is in /boot/config-kernelversion, you can compare this to what you know works see if any options that are needed are missing or different.
192[01:32:47] <somiaj> but I'm not seeing anything because compare it to the situation it works in
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194[01:33:07] <jasonwc> I"m not sure what I should be looking for.
195[01:34:40] <somiaj> me either, but config options related to the device
196[01:34:47] <jasonwc> The device is found and doesn't show errors in dmesg or syslog. The device presumably "should" be supported but something is broken. The aforementioned bug appeared to match my issue, but I don't see n = 32 in config.c
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209[01:42:51] <silverblade> Hi. I just installed Jessie from a netinst image. Installation went fine, but upon reboot for some reason my resolv.conf isn't being populated. I'm assigning IP via DHCP and on my older Debian installs I get the DNS configured automatically too. Did something change recently with how resolv.conf is handled?
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212[01:45:07] <silverblade> To add to this in case it is relevant: I have IPv6 on my network as well as IPv4. I had trouble with IPv6 dhcp addresses so I set that to a static one. Seemingly it was trying to populate resolv.conf with an IPv6 DNS server, but I can't seem to get it to use the IPv4 one instead.
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248[02:09:00] <Bliepo> Is there any way to know if a package is included in a default installation of Debian?
249[02:09:13] <Bliepo> Need to know for the HOWTO I'm writing
250[02:09:43] <awal1> that depends which "default"
251[02:10:13] <awal1> on
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253[02:10:53] <awal1> probably by default you mean debian gnome
254[02:11:10] <Bliepo> Well, actually no, just the CLI install
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258[02:18:18] <eh3> Are the official packages typically relocatable?
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261[02:19:06] <zykotick9> !standard task
262[02:19:06] <dpkg> extra, extra, read all about it, standard task is a "task" that should be installed on all machines during the installer stage. It installs packages that are important, required and standard (i.e. "aptitude install ~pstandard ~prequired ~pimportant"). Packages in the <essential> set are always installed. Also ask me about <tasksel>.
263[02:19:07] <awal1> well, bare minimal, without standard system utilities not really sure, Bliepo
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265[02:19:52] <awal1> but standard system utilities shoud be what you find via aptitude search ~pstandard ~prequired ~pimportant -F"%p"
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341[03:12:43] <psychoticwarrior> what do you think of the nick. gutterslut dump truck
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343[03:15:34] <sh00p> i like it
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345[03:16:09] <psychoticwarrior> yea me too
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350[03:18:31] <psychoticwarrior> what about wireless orgasm 2017
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357[03:20:52] <mula> my apache is not responding
358[03:20:58] <awal1> psychoticwarrior, is there any bridge near you?
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361[03:21:15] <psychoticwarrior> yea there is
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363[03:21:36] <mula> when i get the ip on the browser it seems to be down
364[03:21:40] <psychoticwarrior> huh
365[03:21:46] <psychoticwarrior> try ping 127.0.0.1
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367[03:21:55] <mula> from yi did it responds to it
368[03:21:56] <psychoticwarrior> could be a stack problem
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370[03:22:34] <mula> i access the database file is empty
371[03:22:39] <psychoticwarrior> huh
372[03:22:45] <psychoticwarrior> maybe someone hacked it and deleted database
373[03:23:02] <mula> maybe
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376[03:23:22] <mula> but i think i was the one that hacked
377[03:23:34] <awal1> psychoticwarrior, it looks like you are bored all the time. so check the bridge and find the highest point then throw yourself
378[03:23:36] <mula> and destroyed it
379[03:24:02] <mula> i tried to delete and reinstall apache but still the same
380[03:24:08] <mula> any ideas?
381[03:24:14] <awal1> mula, forget him, he is a troll
382[03:24:23] <mula> ports are forwarding to the server
383[03:24:27] <mula> from the router
384[03:24:37] <mula> and i dont think is a port 80 problem
385[03:24:39] <psychoticwarrior> im not a troll
386[03:24:41] <mula> can ftp to it
387[03:24:45] <mula> ssh
388[03:24:48] <mula> vnc
389[03:24:48] <psychoticwarrior> my apache seems fine
390[03:24:53] <mula> all working
391[03:24:58] <mula> apart from the webserver
392[03:25:23] <mula> Rit all happen when i installed wordpress server
393[03:25:45] <mula> anyone had the same problem
394[03:25:46] <mula> ?
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415[03:35:36] <murcielago2> hola
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428[03:39:29] <murcielago2> como es esto?
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435[03:41:55] <psychoticwarrior> ever drink a four loko
436[03:41:56] <psychoticwarrior> ?
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449[03:46:16] <psychoticwarrior> four loko at night
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481[03:59:33] <squigz> 4 Four Lokos. That's 16 Lokos
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501[04:06:31] <iateadonut> i use ssh-keygen to create ~/.ssh with correct permissions. i'm wondering if there's a way to also create authorized_keys
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503[04:07:57] <abrotman> on the target server?
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508[04:08:59] <abrotman> ssh-copy-id perhaps?
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548[04:29:34] <psychoticwarrior> got my 4 loko. time to get loko
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551[04:31:07] <psychoticwarrior> ssh-keygen should do the trick
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555[04:31:47] <psychoticwarrior> RSA 2048
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562[04:33:44] <psychoticwarrior> sha 256
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577[04:42:24] <NemesisD> hey folks. i just switched from ubuntu to debian and im experiencing some weird font behavior. the web font roboto mono is rendering really strangely. i think its the font system because it renders weird on both chrome and firefox. this site replaced-url
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579[04:43:08] <NemesisD> anyone have any clue as to what i should look into?
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581[04:43:43] <NemesisD> interestingly, even different variations of the same font look fine. Roboto itself looks totally normal
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583[04:45:21] <psychoticwarrior> damn thats weird
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585[04:45:27] <psychoticwarrior> i dont find out problems
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593[04:48:40] <NemesisD> yeah its kind of an issue as a lot of sites use roboto mono
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596[04:53:05] <somiaj> It works here, but I have some non-free fonts installed via ttf-mscorefonts-installer, though this is just a guess
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602[04:57:19] <iateadonut> yeah, ssh-copy-id, but i can't do that if i'm su'ing into an account that i don't have the pword to and i want to put in my key
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604[04:58:37] <iateadonut> abrotman
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614[05:02:44] <borsin> iateadonut: su'ing to root or another user? if you're root - then use passwd to change the passwd of the user you want to send the ssh-copy-id to
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619[05:07:16] <iateadonut> that's true, but then i may as well just do the two commands to create the authorized_keys file and chmod it...
620[05:07:23] <iateadonut> ssh-copy-id is not prone to human error though.
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632[05:15:02] <borsin> im aware of what ssh-copy-id does. you claimed your couldnt perform "it" due to not knowing the password. you're aware "su" is switch user and not only "root"?
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667[05:43:29] <Guest56067> howdy ya'll
668[05:43:31] <n-iCe> Hello
669[05:43:46] <Guest56067> how are you fine gentleman/woman doing this evening
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671[05:43:59] <n-iCe> alright
672[05:44:00] <n-iCe> you
673[05:44:17] <Guest56067> can't complain
674[05:44:25] <Guest56067> what brings you to #debian tonight sir?
675[05:44:59] <n-iCe> I'm always here :)
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679[05:46:11] <Guest56067> i must say I am delighted to see so many people from around the world on here
680[05:46:15] <n-iCe> hehe
681[05:46:17] <n-iCe> where are you from?
682[05:46:29] <Guest56067> im from the states. east coast
683[05:46:37] <Guest56067> you could probably tell from my hostname lol
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687[05:47:13] <Guest56067> are you affiliated with aircrack, n-iCe?
688[05:47:28] <n-iCe> maybe
689[05:47:59] <Guest56067> i really enjoy the suite
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693[05:51:08] <Guest56067> know if any good info sec ircs?
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695[05:52:03] <n-iCe> ircs?
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701[05:53:13] <Guest56067> networks*
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703[05:57:10] <n-iCe> what do you need
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705[05:58:26] <Guest56067> i honestly want to share/converse about a bunch of theories and practices i've been studying for a few years now
706[05:58:41] <Guest56067> don't really know where to go anymore. my university is filled with airheads
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711[06:00:26] <Guest56067> or maybe they are just real secretive lol
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714[06:00:49] <Guest56067> though i can't think of why... not like i'm telling them to reveal their darkest of secrets or anything
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717[06:01:09] <RebelCoder> Guys, as there is a RC2 iso of Debian 9 available already, I an wondering when is the official release ?
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733[06:09:52] <ambientstate> Hi, I have a fresh install of debian, but have no audio, what do I do to get audio?
734[06:10:46] <bibble> have you got a desktop environment installed ?
735[06:10:56] <bibble> could install pulseaudio
736[06:11:31] <ambientstate> connection to pulseaudio keeps failing
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738[06:12:12] <ambientstate> I tried the gui, alsamixer and pavucontrol
739[06:12:20] <ambientstate> I think that about covers it
740[06:13:14] <psychoticwarrior> pulseaudito -D
741[06:13:15] <bibble> strange
742[06:13:15] <psychoticwarrior> pulseaudio -D
743[06:14:09] <ambientstate> bash: pulseaudio: command not found
744[06:14:19] <Guest56067> apt-get install pulseaudio ?
745[06:14:40] <psychoticwarrior> yea try that
746[06:14:54] <Guest56067> don't forget sudo in front
747[06:14:59] <ambientstate> Guest56067, It is installed, I get this message 'connection to pulseaudio failed'
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749[06:15:10] <ambientstate> frustrating
750[06:15:14] <ambientstate> Maybe need to reinstall
751[06:15:15] <psychoticwarrior> yes it is
752[06:15:21] <Guest56067> is it already running? check to see if the applet is displayed on panel
753[06:15:30] <Guest56067> could try killall pulseaudio
754[06:15:34] <Guest56067> then try running it again
755[06:15:58] <Guest56067> try kmix
756[06:16:02] <psychoticwarrior> kill pulseaudio
757[06:16:04] <Guest56067> it worked on some debian installs i've done
758[06:16:07] <psychoticwarrior> pulseaudio -D
759[06:16:11] <Guest56067> killall*
760[06:16:16] <Guest56067> kill is for pids
761[06:16:21] <psychoticwarrior> it hates installing it cause of root
762[06:16:26] <Guest56067> hmm
763[06:16:33] <ambientstate> pavucontrol is already the newest version (3.0-3+b3)
764[06:16:41] <cluelessperson> hey guys, I'm looking for a minimal debian kernel
765[06:16:56] <cluelessperson> is anyone familiar where I might find one instead of having to compile it myself?
766[06:17:02] <Guest56067> have you tested kmix?
767[06:17:20] <ambientstate> yep
768[06:17:30] <Guest56067> no luck, huh?
769[06:18:33] <Guest56067> wha about complete reinstall
770[06:18:37] <Guest56067> sudo apt-get purge pulseaudio
771[06:18:37] <Guest56067> sudo apt-get clean && sudo apt-get autoremove
772[06:20:20] <psychoticwarrior> apt-get clean
773[06:20:31] <psychoticwarrior> apt-get autoremove <package>
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780[06:26:17] <ambientstate> stuff plays back okay, just no audio. weird
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786[06:28:12] <RebelCoder> ambientstate, do you have an HDMI monitor ? Maybe sounds is going there
787[06:28:23] <psychoticwarrior> lol
788[06:28:34] <ambientstate> I picked the correct sound card via alsamixer
789[06:28:37] <RebelCoder> Exactly
790[06:28:39] <ambientstate> lspci
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792[06:29:06] <ambientstate> VIA Technologies Inc. ICE1712 [Envy24] PCI
793[06:29:08] <psychoticwarrior> yea that could help;
794[06:29:21] <ambientstate> i picked that card
795[06:29:29] <ambientstate> increased the levels
796[06:29:33] <ambientstate> bah
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799[06:31:13] <ambientstate> just a borked install I guess
800[06:33:39] <psychoticwarrior> yea i guess
801[06:34:03] <RebelCoder> Hardly true...
802[06:34:15] <RebelCoder> Have you used Linux before on this machine ?
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805[06:35:00] <ambientstate> RebelCoder, Yes.
806[06:35:14] <RebelCoder> But not Debian.. right ?
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808[06:35:26] <ambientstate> RebelCoder, Wrong.
809[06:35:30] <psychoticwarrior> juggalo
810[06:36:00] <RebelCoder> I just don't see how something just did not get installed
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812[06:36:34] <RebelCoder> Did you try installing/re-installing firmware/drivers ?
813[06:36:43] <ambientstate> Tried gui,alsamixer and pavucontrol...that abiut does it for opions
814[06:36:47] <RebelCoder> firmware-realtek
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817[06:38:07] <RebelCoder> And what you wrote here: stuff plays back okay, just no audio. weird
818[06:38:33] <RebelCoder> Sounds like the software just does work but hardware is not receiving it...
819[06:38:38] <ambientstate> I am watching a pretty woman on youtube...maybe it is good there is no audio
820[06:38:48] <RebelCoder> see if that firmware is installed
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823[06:39:42] <psychoticwarrior> im trying to trace this one guys location
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836[06:44:58] <RebelCoder> Which guy ?
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838[06:45:57] <RebelCoder> psychoticwarrior, seems to be a BOT
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846[06:48:37] <ambientstate> Mr. Robot?
847[06:48:44] <ambientstate> "Hello friend"
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850[06:49:34] <Guest56067> sounds lame...maybe i should give you a name
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935[07:47:36] <Finnix> hi2all
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943[07:51:26] <Finnix> i have multiseat (debian jessie + 2 nvidia cards, based on systemd, lightdm and openbox), s2ram restore only first card after resume, how to get two cards restored?
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950[07:54:13] <Finnix> s2ram issued as "sudo s2ram -f -p -m"
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955[07:55:49] <Finnix> second seat become active only when restart lightdm, or logout active session
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981[08:09:00] <massprog> hi,how can I make usb bootable with three iso file of debian for installing alongside windows 10?
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985[08:09:55] <SwedeMike> massprog: replaced-url
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989[08:10:56] <massprog> SwedeMike, thank you :)
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1049[08:37:16] <mandeep> when i run an application from shell, everything works. however when i run the application from the mate menu the application can't find path. is this typical?
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1067[08:47:11] <TimurTheLame> Can someone recommend me a simple color chooser app that does just that? Agave is just plain bullshit
1068[08:47:49] <TimurTheLame> I just want a goddamn simple color wheel X_X
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1071[08:49:43] <cluelessperson> hey guys, does anyone know of the smallest kernel I can get?
1072[08:49:44] <cluelessperson> and where?
1073[08:49:49] <TimurTheLame> Nevermind, found gcolor2. Aptitude is so incapable of properly searching a desired package that a google search is better than it.
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1085[08:53:40] <TimurTheLame> cluelessperson, you could build your own
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1087[08:54:33] <TimurTheLame> I managed to build mine, but it took me quite some time to figure it out
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1091[08:57:19] <Stummi> TimurTheLame, google is always better than finding stuff. Its almost like its their job
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1093[08:57:56] <TimurTheLame> Stummi, yeah, but compared to archlinux's pacman, aptitude is frustrating as hell
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1095[08:58:49] <TimurTheLame> That's what my rant's about
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1097[09:00:10] <camh> mandeep: it has always been typical for me. when logging via a desktop manager (gui login), your .profile/.bash_profile/.bashrc is not sourced, so any settings in there (such as PATH) are not in effect for the desktop environment.
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1100[09:00:29] <camh> when you run from a shell, your shell startup config has been loaded, so PATH, etc are correct
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1102[09:01:01] <camh> I thought mate had something somewhere to help this. let me look...
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1105[09:02:00] <mandeep> camh: yeah that seems to be what im experiencing
1106[09:02:20] <camh> mate will source ~/.materc. This is done from a bourne-compatible shell, so you can put stuff in there to get it into your environment
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1108[09:02:53] <mandeep> camh: should this file exist?
1109[09:03:03] <camh> I have split my .bash_profile and .bashrc into separate bourne and bash settings, so I can easily source the bourne stuff when needed
1110[09:03:12] <camh> it will not exist unless you create it
1111[09:03:50] <camh> the technical problem is that a user can use any aribirary shell so it is not possible for the startup script to load that config
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1113[09:03:56] <mandeep> i see
1114[09:04:16] <camh> you will need to provide a bourne-shell-specific environment setup
1115[09:04:19] <mandeep> i need to logout and login for this to wrok right?
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1117[09:04:39] <camh> yes, there's no way to push a new environment into an existing process
1118[09:05:04] <mandeep> brb
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1125[09:06:57] <mandeep> camh: unfortunately the materc file doesnt do anything
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1128[09:07:48] <camh> do you have the file: /etc/X11/Xsession.d/55mate-session_materc ?
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1130[09:08:56] <camh> oh, it appears that the package mate-session-manager only exists in unstable
1131[09:09:04] <mandeep> ah
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1136[09:10:49] <mandeep> there is 40x11-common_xsessionrc
1137[09:11:05] <camh> I'm trying to figure out how I fixed this. The problem has existed for many years and I've solved it myself many times
1138[09:11:11] <mandeep> so i could try adding .xsessionrc to home
1139[09:11:21] <camh> that would work I think
1140[09:11:24] <mandeep> let me try
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1142[09:12:01] <camh> aha, that's what I'm using by the looks of it :)
1143[09:12:21] <mandeep> hmm
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1145[09:12:43] <mandeep> alright brb
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1148[09:13:20] <Ax> is it possible to reset a root password that I forgot? I do have physical access to the server
1149[09:13:42] <Ax> replaced-url
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1152[09:14:11] <mandeep> camh: yep that worked. thanks for leading me on the correct path :)
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1185[09:36:07] <centurion18> hi
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1187[09:36:24] <centurion18> i cannot update flashplugin-nonfree, i'm getting a 404 error not found
1188[09:36:45] <centurion18> ERROR: wget failed to download replaced-url
1189[09:36:54] <centurion18> can i fix this?
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1191[09:37:47] <twouters> is replaced-url
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1194[09:40:05] <TimurTheLame> twouters, seems so to me. I can see it on debian unstable.
1195[09:40:32] <TimurTheLame> twouters, replaced-url
1196[09:40:53] <TimurTheLame> twouters, because it's sid only atm, that's why it doesn't show for stable
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1200[09:41:52] <twouters> TimurTheLame: you're right, looks like it shows only unstable packages atm
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1236[10:08:27] <darxmurf> hi all
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1239[10:08:58] <nwe> j ubuntu
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1252[10:14:03] <darxmurf> I have a few machines running nvidia GTX970 cards with nvidia drivers. The fans on the card are spinning 2 seconds every 20 seconds, is there something I can configure to avoid that ?
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1254[10:14:29] <darxmurf> like to let them spin slowly all the time instead of those rollercoasters
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1256[10:15:24] <TimurTheLame> darxmurf, stable or unstable?
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1261[10:18:31] <darxmurf> ?
1262[10:18:40] <darxmurf> about the fans now ?
1263[10:18:47] <darxmurf> or about the speed I want ?
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1266[10:19:33] <darxmurf> or about the debian version ? :-)
1267[10:19:36] <darxmurf> stable
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1272[10:20:27] <darxmurf> driver 375.39. It's weird, the nvidia smi returns 26% of the fan speed and I think it's off
1273[10:20:47] <vlt> Ax: Several ways: Mount and chroot into the root fs of the server and run `passwd`,
1274[10:21:21] <TimurTheLame> darxmurf, your debian version; stable, testing or sid
1275[10:21:23] <vlt> Ax: Copy over a line from an /etc/shadow file from where you know the password,
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1277[10:21:24] <Ax> vlt, so with a live usb for example?
1278[10:21:30] <darxmurf> TimurTheLame: stable
1279[10:21:36] <vlt> Ax: Yes.
1280[10:21:43] <Ax> allright I will try that
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1291[10:22:47] <darxmurf> centurion18: replaced-url
1292[10:22:54] <darxmurf> version has changed
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1295[10:23:22] <TimurTheLame> darxmurf, hmm. *If* I were you, I'd blame it on the older version of packages of stable, but I'm no expert on your situation.
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1302[10:24:07] <darxmurf> TimurTheLame: I installed the latest package from Nvidia website
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1306[10:24:31] <TimurTheLame> darxmurf, forcibly? As in not the one from the stable repo?
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1308[10:25:03] <cluelessperson> welp, I tried to compile my own debian kernel, trying to make it SMALLER
1309[10:25:07] <cluelessperson> but instead, it's now larger
1310[10:25:25] <darxmurf> as users are using GPU for computation stuffs, I always install the latest version from Nvidia website
1311[10:25:28] <TimurTheLame> cluelessperson, why would you want it smaller?
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1313[10:25:36] <darxmurf> ^^
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1315[10:26:51] <cluelessperson> TimurTheLame: RAM based, live cd?
1316[10:27:01] <TimurTheLame> cluelessperson, oh
1317[10:27:11] <cluelessperson> TimurTheLame: my hope is to just have a linux base system, tiny, that I can do whatever else from easily enouhg
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1319[10:27:41] <cluelessperson> TimurTheLame: I like that I can debootstrap debian into a folder, chroot and configure it, then wrap it up into a 117MB ISO (124MB with python)
1320[10:27:54] <cluelessperson> Seriously, 117MB debian, in ram, so sweet
1321[10:27:58] <cluelessperson> but I'm hoping for even smaller
1322[10:28:03] <cluelessperson> damn small linux does 10 MB
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1324[10:28:17] <TimurTheLame> darxmurf, not sure, but I would personally blame the bug on forcibly using the latest nvidia driver with stable's old kernel and software
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1327[10:28:25] <centurion18> darxmurf: i'm running debian jessie i386
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1329[10:28:36] <TimurTheLame> darxmurf, tried testing or sid on one of those PCs?
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1331[10:28:45] <centurion18> what to do with replaced-url
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1333[10:29:39] <TimurTheLame> cluelessperson, any practical reason for why you'd want this small live cd? :D
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1335[10:30:58] <TimurTheLame> darxmurf, I'm running sid and the nvidia package is the latest version
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1339[10:32:43] <babilen> darxmurf: We really neither recomend nor support the drivers from the nvidia website as they have broken various things in the past and cause us all sorts of problems
1340[10:32:52] <babilen> You might want to seek support from upstream in that case
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1343[10:33:37] <cluelessperson> TimurTheLame: to deliver easy to download/use tools to people wanting to fix their pc, or whatever else
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1346[10:34:13] * cluelessperson can probably recover 20 MB to under <100 MB by removing all the excess locales
1347[10:34:18] <darxmurf> centurion18: replaced-url
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1351[10:34:37] <cluelessperson> if you don't know TRUMP'S AMERICA'S English, you can install other languages your goda damn self
1352[10:34:40] <cluelessperson> lol
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1356[10:35:47] <darxmurf> TimurTheLame: unfortunately those machines are in a lab and I prefer to run stable release :-)
1357[10:35:54] <babilen> cluelessperson: Please keep it technical in here
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1361[10:36:18] <TimurTheLame> darxmurf, spinning up and down doesn't sound stable :D
1362[10:36:32] <darxmurf> and to be honest, this fan stuff is not a big issue, users a just "complaining" because the machine is on the desk and they have a little noise
1363[10:36:54] <darxmurf> but as those machines are running double Xeon CPU with massive fans, the "noise" is not that terrible :-)
1364[10:37:03] <darxmurf> I will continue to check that :-)
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1369[10:40:24] <babilen> darxmurf: I take it that you are aware that you can grab 375.26-1~bpo8+1 from jessie-backports, aren't you?
1370[10:40:36] <babilen> (which is the variant we typically suggest and support)
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1377[10:42:38] <darxmurf> hmmm
1378[10:42:42] <darxmurf> not bad yep
1379[10:42:44] <darxmurf> I'll have a try
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1383[10:43:24] <babilen> It might be hard to undo the damage the nvidia installer has done, but see if you (and the tool that comes with the Debian package) can work it out
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1386[10:46:23] <darxmurf> well, I can --uninstall it
1387[10:46:26] <darxmurf> it should be ok
1388[10:46:40] <darxmurf> the actual packages are not that bad
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1402[10:53:32] <darxmurf> replaced-url
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1434[11:03:38] <n1ck3> /b/tb
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1436[11:04:07] <n1ck3> Damnit. Sorry guys. My fat fingers today. :/
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1473[11:20:30] <darxmurf> where can I remove a entry in the "application finder" popup ?
1474[11:20:37] <darxmurf> don't want to clear it all, just remove an entry
1475[11:20:42] <darxmurf> on XFCE
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1503[11:34:56] <no_gravity> One of the insanities of (all?) Linux distros is that from time to time they ask you crazy update questions. Right not "The configuration file /etc/gnome/defaults.ist was modified. Keep or update?" - How am I supposed to know?
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1507[11:37:24] <pos> So I've got a 4x3TB RAID0 array with a known bad block (reported in dmesg). I've marked the block as bad with "fsck.ext4 -l filecontainingbadblocks /dev/mapper/md0". SMART checks on each of the member drives does not give a culprit, is it possible to determine which of the member drives are failing from the block number alone?
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1509[11:39:26] <rgr> hmm. so much for my "new install and how wonderful gnome is". evolution still as pants as ever and only half working.
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1519[11:46:54] <TimurTheLame> rgr, why not thunderbird?
1520[11:47:03] <seppi91_> Hi, I already tried my luck at ##proxmox, but without success :-( maybe someone in here can help me better. I'm faceing a real weird issue. My system does not create in /etc/network/interfces defined network bridges. They just dont come up after reboot. When initializing them manually with /etc/init.d/networking restart everything works as expected.
1521[11:47:27] <petn-randall> no_gravity: That's why there's the option to show the difference ...
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1523[11:47:52] <no_gravity> petn-randall: The diff is 403 lines of mumbo jumbo.
1524[11:47:59] <petn-randall> no_gravity: And if you get that question, it usually means that the admin edited that file by hand, so it's a valid question.
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1526[11:48:02] <no_gravity> petn-randall: Stuff like "+application/x-lhz=org.gnome.FileRoller.desktop" :)
1527[11:48:14] <no_gravity> petn-randall: I have no idea what that means.
1528[11:48:18] <seppi91_> cat /etc/network/interfaces > replaced-url
1529[11:48:29] <no_gravity> petn-randall: And surely not the time to learn about 403 of these guys.
1530[11:48:31] <petn-randall> no_gravity: And also that question just pops up if you set the debconf priority low enough, in all other cases it just keep the file.
1531[11:48:47] <TimurTheLame> no_gravity, it means that .lhz archives will be open with FileRoller by default from now on
1532[11:48:53] <TimurTheLame> no_gravity, in case you were wondering :D
1533[11:49:15] <petn-randall> !proxmox
1534[11:49:15] <dpkg> Proxmox Virtual Environment (Proxmox VE) is a GNU/Linux distribution <based on Debian>, providing a virtualization platform with <LXC> and <KVM>. It is not supported in #debian. There's an unofficial proxmox channel on Freenode. For official venues, see ##replaced-url
1535[11:49:19] <rgr> thunderbird? No thanks. I'll stick with gmail web interface and command line mailx.
1536[11:49:25] <petn-randall> seppi91_: Sorry, proxmox is not supported in here.
1537[11:49:31] <seppi91_> e
1538[11:49:31] <petn-randall> seppi91_: see dpkg's message.
1539[11:49:59] <seppi91_> petn-randall: Okay :-/ Any other channel which could help me in this topic?
1540[11:50:43] <petn-randall> seppi91_: If not #proxmox (you might just have to wait a littler longer, like an hour or two to get a response), try ##linux.
1541[11:51:02] <seppi91_> thank you, i will give it a try.
1542[11:51:05] <TimurTheLame> seppi91_, ignore petn-randall and keep asking
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1544[11:51:17] <TimurTheLame> seppi91_, it's not like there's heavy traffic right now
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1548[11:51:24] <petn-randall> TimurTheLame: Excuse me?
1549[11:51:30] <TimurTheLame> petn-randall, you heard me :P
1550[11:51:33] <seppi91_> TimurTheLame: Well that wouldn't be really polite :D
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1552[11:52:04] <petn-randall> TimurTheLame: Those are the channel rules. If you don't like it, feel free to open another channel and put up whatever channels you like.
1553[11:52:07] <petn-randall> !based on
1554[11:52:07] <dpkg> Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare replaced-url
1555[11:52:16] <petn-randall> TimurTheLame: ^^^
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1558[11:53:20] <TimurTheLame> petn-randall, X_X
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1560[11:53:46] <TimurTheLame> petn-randall, in your world, you'd probably arrest people for jaywalking
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1566[11:54:11] <babilen> TimurTheLame: Please keep it on-topic and friendly in here
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1576[11:56:43] <seppi91_> Well I've installed proxmox on top of debian so maybe this is a point for helping me anyway :-P
1577[11:57:44] <babilen> seppi91_: I think you've pretty much turned your box into Proxmox by doing that. I'd suggest to seek support in proxmox or linux on this network
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1579[11:58:38] <tobiasBora> Hello,
1580[11:58:44] <babilen> This intersection of people in #debian and ##linux isn't that small either
1581[11:58:51] <babilen> *The
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1585[12:00:17] <tobiasBora> I'm expecting some issues with the Geogebra program: when I run it, I've the errors replaced-url
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1588[12:01:30] <tobiasBora> Does anyone knows what I could do to solve my problem?
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1623[12:11:54] <lol> Cl0udN9ne, hi
1624[12:12:16] <Cl0udN9ne> hey La09x09
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1632[12:15:36] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
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1648[12:21:58] <heap_> hi, is there a way to hardcode ip address for eth0 after boot instead of using connman (which is buggy in systemd)? thanks
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1657[12:24:03] <babilen> heap_: You'd assign it in /etc/network/interfaces
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1660[12:25:37] <heap_> hm there is nothing inside that file
1661[12:25:42] <heap_> no sample ;/
1662[12:25:50] <heap_> # CONNMAN is installed on this system. Please dont use ifup/down.
1663[12:25:50] <heap_> # Instead try connman-curses or connmanctl, which are both preinstalled!
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1666[12:26:43] <heap_> and connman has bug inside systemd its not started after boot properly
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1673[12:28:03] <plasmoduck> I would like to uninstlall gnome3 and just keep mate, whats the command?
1674[12:28:44] <bibble> probably apt-get purge gnome*
1675[12:28:53] <nikitasius> xfce <3
1676[12:28:57] <BluesKaj> heap_, using a static ip in /etc/network/interfaces, but that requires removing network-manager, which can be problematic and complicated for laptops that need wifi
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1678[12:29:01] <plasmoduck> will that unstall anything gnome related?
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1680[12:29:14] <plasmoduck> I want to keep some of the gnome programs
1681[12:29:28] <bibble> hmm
1682[12:29:55] <heap_> BluesKaj: ah lord ;/
1683[12:30:04] <heap_> i dont know when that bug will be fixed?
1684[12:30:30] <bibble> add -s to command so it just simulates what will happen plasmoduck
1685[12:30:40] <plasmoduck> xfce is terrible
1686[12:30:49] <bibble> xfce is great
1687[12:30:51] <plasmoduck> thanks
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1689[12:31:10] <BluesKaj> heap_, yeah , dunno id setting your IP in the interfaces file will sticj since NM probly overwrites upon reboot
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1691[12:31:23] <BluesKaj> id=if
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1695[12:32:22] <tobiasBora> I just saw that Geogebra has it's own repo, is there any reason not to put there app in the repo?
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1697[12:32:56] <tobiasBora> Is it because of the non-commercial licence
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1713[12:39:30] <n4dir> tobiasBora: it is in the unstable/sid repositories
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1727[12:44:30] <Shadur> .. Rgh. I'm pretty sure what I'm looking for has a name as a concept but I have no idea what it could be in english. Basically, I want something that'll let me keep a database of all servers I'm running, with IP addresses, basic hardware information and what functions it's supposed to fulfill, as well as interlinkage that'll let me describe which server backs up what functions to where, which webserver uses
1728[12:44:32] <Shadur> what database server as backend, and so on...
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1737[12:48:55] <n4dir> in /etc/hosts you could add a comment bout the purpose/function of each IP (or just use a descriptive name). Probably too limited?
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1742[12:52:11] <plasmoduck> anyone know a cli app to convert a small mp3 -> wav?
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1746[12:52:32] <llamapixel> ffmpeg plasmoduck
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1750[12:53:30] <n4dir> plasmoduck: pacpl
1751[12:53:32] <llamapixel> converting from a compressed format like mp3 to a more expanded file like wav will not produce a better file quality, just in case that is coming up.
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1753[12:53:38] <plasmoduck> cheers
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1773[13:00:54] <peteski> h
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1775[13:01:18] <peteski> whoops
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1846[13:39:32] <funabashi> hey guys how do i do so a user only can see whats in their homedir and cant go up in the direcroties like /etc ..
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1877[13:48:59] <stoned> funabashi: jail/chroot the user
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1880[13:49:31] <test2> heelo
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1885[13:52:19] <plasmoduck> g
1886[13:52:26] <plasmoduck> g
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1891[13:53:35] <test2> PING
1892[13:54:00] <plasmoduck> PONG
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1897[13:54:58] <blb2956> Haha
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1908[13:58:21] <heap_> BluesKaj: that sucks.
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1913[14:00:58] <funabashi> stoned: ok can you please show me an example
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1920[14:02:53] <BluesKaj> heap_,is this a laptop ?
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1923[14:04:28] <Brigo> funabashi, you can't the user needs access to /etc /usr /lib, etc, or the programs won't work.
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1932[14:08:28] <funabashi> oke
1933[14:09:08] <funabashi> another question i cant open a dir in in /home/xxxx which has drwxrwx---. but another with same rights i can open , why?
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1938[14:12:00] <jelly> funabashi: show the output of "id -a" as that user, and "ls -ld /path/to/that/dir /path/to/that/dir/.."
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1944[14:12:23] <jelly> funabashi: you need +x permission on all the parent dirs
1945[14:12:37] <heap_> BluesKaj: no its cubox-i
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1947[14:13:07] <heap_> BluesKaj: running in server mode
1948[14:13:17] <heap_> with fix ip
1949[14:13:20] <BluesKaj> heap_, with wifi or ethernet?
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1952[14:13:29] <heap_> eth
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1956[14:15:05] <heap_> BluesKaj: any way to hackit?
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1963[14:18:09] <BluesKaj> then heap_ this will show you how to setup a ststic IP without using NM, but I know nothing about conman and how it would be affected by this setup. replaced-url
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1965[14:18:24] <BluesKaj> static IP ^
1966[14:19:41] <BluesKaj> this tutorial works for debian as well, I have it the same setup on stretch
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1972[14:21:44] <heap_> hm
1973[14:21:50] <heap_> but there is that conman hm
1974[14:22:31] <heap_> can i uninstall it?
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1977[14:23:39] <heap_> i removed that crap
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1982[14:24:24] <stoned> Brigo: I thought he meant over ssh/sftp etc.
1983[14:24:38] <stoned> locally there is no way to jail the user, he needs access to many files across the system to function.
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1987[14:27:03] <heap_> BluesKaj: doesnt work
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1989[14:27:25] <heap_> even i removed connman package and set the network/interfaces... no ip after reboot
1990[14:27:44] <BluesKaj> heap_, think you need to reboot
1991[14:27:51] <heap_> i did :)
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1995[14:28:17] <BluesKaj> heaok run , sudo dhclient
1996[14:28:24] <BluesKaj> heap_,^
1997[14:28:44] <heap_> aptitude search connman
1998[14:28:45] <heap_> c connman - Intel Connection Manager daemon
1999[14:28:54] <heap_> dhclient
2000[14:28:54] <heap_> RTNETLINK answers: File exists
2001[14:29:15] <heap_> but maybe dhclient is not running at the background?
2002[14:29:25] <BluesKaj> yup ,now try your browser
2003[14:29:31] <heap_> it works..
2004[14:29:35] <heap_> but i need to do it manual
2005[14:29:36] <heap_> y
2006[14:29:43] <heap_> its not getting ip after reboot
2007[14:29:53] <heap_> when it boot up and i typ dhclient eth0 it got ip
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2010[14:30:35] <petn-randall> heap_: If you want to switch via static ip and dhcp on eth0, I recommend using network-manager.
2011[14:30:37] <heap_> its like in windows.
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2014[14:31:06] <heap_> i think thats why connman was there?
2015[14:31:24] <vlatko> Changes to etc networking interfaces have no effect after service networking restart
2016[14:31:37] <vlatko> Am I missing something obvious?
2017[14:31:53] <heap_> i dont think so.
2018[14:31:57] <petn-randall> heap_: You could also use the powers of ifup/ifdown and /etc/network/interfaces to define several schemes, and just use "ifup eth0=<static scheme>" or "ifup eth0=<eth0-dhcp>".
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2020[14:32:19] <BluesKaj> heap_, do you have the gateway and netmask setup ?
2021[14:32:23] <heap_> i need to get ip after reboot
2022[14:32:26] <petn-randall> vlatko: The usual way is to do "ifdown <if> && ifup <if>"
2023[14:32:32] <heap_> i cant touch computer...
2024[14:32:36] <heap_> its headless machine
2025[14:32:38] <vlatko> tried that as well
2026[14:32:47] <heap_> BluesKaj: i do.
2027[14:32:49] <vlatko> it just keeps to the same setup
2028[14:32:51] <heap_> once more again
2029[14:33:00] <heap_> after boot its not assign any ip
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2031[14:33:17] <heap_> i can set it manually ... but i dont want to .. its remote box
2032[14:33:25] <jhutchins> !networking
2033[14:33:25] <dpkg> For basic networking, «man interfaces» and see replaced-url
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2036[14:33:42] <petn-randall> vlatko: Then you might have a bug in the syntax. Show us the full output you get from those commands, and the contents of /etc/network/interfaces for starters.
2037[14:33:43] <BluesKaj> heap_, you need to assign the IP address in interfaces for it to be static
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2039[14:34:14] <heap_> replaced-url
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2041[14:34:34] <ychaouche> Hello #debian
2042[14:35:03] <BluesKaj> heap_, you need the pc IP in the "address"
2043[14:35:25] <heap_> ?
2044[14:35:35] <heap_> its tehre?
2045[14:35:36] <heap_> there?
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2047[14:35:45] <heap_> address 10.0.1.20
2048[14:35:48] <ychaouche> I rebooted my debian server and it says ALERT /dev/disk/byuuid does not exit. Dropping to a shell. I have a command line with a (initramfs) prompt
2049[14:35:52] <ychaouche> what to do now ?
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2051[14:36:26] <heap_> so what
2052[14:37:05] <petn-randall> ychaouche: What is the full error message? It looks like your /etc/fstab is miconfigured.
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2054[14:37:09] <BluesKaj> no heap, that's not it , run ip addr in the terminal and look at the IP assighed to eth0
2055[14:37:10] <petn-randall> *misconfigured
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2063[14:38:04] <petn-randall> heap_: Are you still using connman? If not just adding "auto eth0" before "iface eth0 ..." might be enough.
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2065[14:38:22] <ychaouche> petn-randall, It said something like "I give up after waiting the root partition for too long"
2066[14:38:40] <ychaouche> a cat /etc/fstab shows an empty file
2067[14:38:55] <ychaouche> a mount on /dev/sda5 gives an error (not in fstab)
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2070[14:39:30] <ychaouche> I guess I'm an in a situation where the whole OS fits in the RAM, right ?
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2072[14:39:36] <petn-randall> ychaouche: Seems like that is your problem. What OS version are you running?
2073[14:39:55] <ychaouche> only debian 8.5
2074[14:40:14] <petn-randall> ychaouche: Did you install and it was like that, or what did happen?
2075[14:40:49] <snowkrash> ssmtp worked today
2076[14:40:55] <ychaouche> petn-randall, no the system was working for like 8 months or so, then I rebooted it and it didn't want to boot up.
2077[14:41:00] <snowkrash> seems i configured it wrong yesterday
2078[14:41:15] <BluesKaj> heap_, petn-randall is correct you also need 'auto eth0' in the list
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2084[14:41:48] <ychaouche> exact error message is : "Gave up waiting for root device. Common problems : ..."
2085[14:42:14] <petn-randall> ychaouche: Anything that you changed that could have introduced that problem?
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2087[14:43:13] <ychaouche> not that I'm aware of, I purged rsyslog and reinstalled it after missing some log files from postfix, but that's it
2088[14:43:24] <ychaouche> some log lines*
2089[14:44:00] <ychaouche> then postfix started complaining it couldn't talk to mysql even though mysql was running, so I just thought why not reboot the thing ?
2090[14:44:10] <ychaouche> bad idead.
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2094[14:45:11] <ychaouche> There's also another error message that says : Firmware bug : bios has corrupted hw_PMU ressource (MSR 38d FS 330)
2095[14:45:22] <ychaouche> IS 330*
2096[14:46:07] <ychaouche> If it's a disk problem can it be fixed from initramfs ?
2097[14:47:02] <colo-work> no, it's your BIOS/firmware that is buggy
2098[14:47:22] <colo-work> PMU = performance monitor unit
2099[14:47:27] <ychaouche> ack
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2101[14:47:40] <colo-work> iirc, that think can measure/estimate how much power indivudal subsystem resources consume
2102[14:47:43] <colo-work> on intel platforms
2103[14:47:55] <colo-work> and it's buggy/inaccurate as fuck, which is why the kernel doesn't trust the data it reports
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2105[14:48:06] <colo-work> unless your platform is whitelisted
2106[14:48:19] <ychaouche> for the info it's an HP proliant G8
2107[14:48:35] <ychaouche> oops no it's a G6
2108[14:49:16] <like2k1> Is there any change to capture the apt-get update progress for use in dialog --gauge ?
2109[14:49:42] <jelly> ychaouche: which particular proliant model, does it have a hw raid controller?
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2112[14:50:13] <ychaouche> jelly, yes it has, it's a DL380 G6
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2114[14:50:22] <jelly> ychaouche: do you have iLO configured? You can see some hw issues on the iLO web UI
2115[14:50:25] <ychaouche> jelly, and the disks are all green
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2117[14:50:48] <ychaouche> jelly, web UI ? the machine doesn't boot ?
2118[14:50:58] <jelly> yes.
2119[14:51:12] <ychaouche> but I can use the DVD it has a diagnostic tools
2120[14:51:17] <jelly> iLO is HP's remote/lights-out management
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2122[14:51:48] <tx> Super cool, especially with the advance license
2123[14:51:56] <bluss> it might be a common question, but what happened with ublock origin and chromium? the extension has been removed somehow and can't be installed again. chromium 56.0.2924.76-5 (stretch)
2124[14:52:00] * ychaouche is confused
2125[14:52:10] <tx> bluss: really? since when?
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2127[14:52:28] <tx> replaced-url
2128[14:52:28] <bluss> since I updated chromium, let's check what the old version was
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2130[14:52:49] <jelly> tx: and G6 still has iLO2, buy one license install on all servers... I mean in theory!
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2132[14:53:27] <tx> I have G7's, same boat.
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2135[14:53:56] <bluss> my impression was that in chromium 55.0.2883.75-2 it was working fine. I updated to the new version today
2136[14:54:10] <jelly> ychaouche: with ilo, you can power off and on and hard reboot from remote, boot from .iso image, inspect most hw issues
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2140[14:55:23] <Guifle> hello! :) I installed debian, but I cannot "sudo" as my user is not sudoer, terminal says. I found out that I could solve this from grub, but I'd like to ask if there's another way for it?
2141[14:55:25] <seoner> How do I full disk encryption my hard drive on debian?
2142[14:55:52] <bluss> chromium gives an error 'Installation is not enabled.
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2145[14:56:22] <bezaban> Guifle: log in as root and add your user to sudoers :)
2146[14:56:24] <ychaouche> i remember playing with rsync between this server and another server
2147[14:56:29] <bluss> (upon trying to add it from the chrome store again. Manual install also did nothing (no error). Reproduces with --temp-profile)
2148[14:56:37] <ychaouche> trying to achieve cloning by rsyinc
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2150[14:57:20] <bezaban> Guifle: or rather, for full access, add it to the group sudo
2151[14:57:32] <ychaouche> the uuid given ni the ALERT error message isn't in /dev/disks/by-uuid/
2152[14:58:00] <ychaouche> maybe I have corrupted the /dev/ directory ?
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2154[14:58:33] <Guifle> bezaban, so, for the second method, I login with my user, and add it sudo on terminal?
2155[14:58:34] <ychaouche> or the other way around maybe the uuid that is in the ALERT error message has been copied from the other machine I was rsyncing from.
2156[14:58:40] <Guifle> to sudo*
2157[14:58:41] <toruvinn> anyone else has ntpd (package `ntp') die randomly in jessie with nothing left in logs? can work for months and then *poof*.
2158[14:58:42] <ychaouche> but I don't know where to fix it
2159[14:58:48] <Brigo> seoner, you have to reinstall.
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2163[14:59:09] <seoner> Brigo: Why? And then?
2164[14:59:16] <bezaban> Guifle: no. you either log in as root (you set the password during install) or issue 'su' then type the root password. Then usermod -a -G <groupname> username
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2167[14:59:44] <Brigo> seoner, you have to create the encryption and the put the system there.
2168[14:59:54] <Brigo> seoner, you can do it with the debian installer.
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2171[15:00:13] <bezaban> Guifle: that 'no' was a little misplaced. Use 'su' to become root with the root password (not yours)
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2175[15:00:51] <Guifle> bezaban, but in order to do these, I need to login with my non-sudo user to my system, right?
2176[15:01:16] <bezaban> Guifle: if you are using the 'su' approach you log in with your user, but you may optionally log in directly as root
2177[15:01:42] <bezaban> the last approach will not work if accessing over ssh though
2178[15:01:48] <bluss> tx: ok so it seems this is not something that has been experienced by all users
2179[15:01:57] <bezaban> (are ssh root logins disabled by default now?)
2180[15:02:09] <darxmurf> password login yes
2181[15:02:14] <bezaban> darxmurf: aye. good :)
2182[15:02:16] <seoner> Brigo: Do you mean - Guided - use entire disk and set up encrypted LVM?
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2186[15:02:50] <Brigo> seoner, i guess, i have never done that.
2187[15:03:03] <Brigo> seoner, but it looks like quite right.
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2190[15:03:26] <n4dir> seoner: that is one option, and the most easy one. You can also to encrypted installations without lvm, but it is quite a bit of back-and-forth
2191[15:03:49] <ychaouche> jelly, thanks for ilo
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2194[15:03:57] <seoner> n4dir: What is the different?
2195[15:04:11] <n4dir> the difference is that the one uses lvm and the other doesn't.
2196[15:04:29] <Bliepo> I installed my kernel from backports because of a driver, but since I use automatic-updates for security packages Debian helpfully downgraded my kernel. How do I prevent this from happening? And would it be best to update to the most recent kernel of backports, stay on the current kernel version of backports, or use a specific version from backports?
2197[15:04:30] <seoner> n4dir: And what does that mean?
2198[15:05:02] <n4dir> seoner: i only have a vague understanding of lvm, and can't put it in words. Some people like it, it sure has it advantages, others don't
2199[15:05:03] <petn-randall> Bliepo: I'm not sure how that should have happened. Can you provide logs and more details?
2200[15:05:07] <Brigo> Bliepo, holt it.
2201[15:05:10] <n4dir> sorry.
2202[15:05:12] <n4dir> !lvm
2203[15:05:12] <dpkg> [lvm] the Linux Logical Volume Manager (replaced-url
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2205[15:05:18] <n4dir> well: better than nothing
2206[15:05:40] <bluss> apparently this is intended behaviour. Needs chromium --enable-remote-extensions to work
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2208[15:06:24] <Bliepo> dpkg.log or another one?
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2210[15:06:42] <petn-randall> Bliepo: If you install a kernel from backports, that kernel package will "automagically" track backports so any "apt update && apt upgrade" should give you the current backports kernel. If that kernel got removed, you must have requested it so.
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2212[15:06:45] <seoner> n4dir: is it secure to use it togheter with LVM or not?
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2214[15:07:00] <n4dir> seoner: this is without lvm, but it is an old writeup and might be out of date replaced-url
2215[15:07:21] <n4dir> seoner: sure, using lvm is fine. If you don't know if you want it or not, then you can use it (i guess).
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2217[15:07:32] <Guifle> bezaban, what would be the 'groupname' in the user add command?
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2219[15:07:45] <Donquixote> Where can I join the offtopic chat?
2220[15:07:45] <bezaban> Guifle: sudo
2221[15:07:46] <n4dir> during installation just choose that option, and everything is nice and easy, not much headaches
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2223[15:08:01] <Guifle> bezaban, ah, thank you :)
2224[15:08:13] <bezaban> Guifle: then you need to log in and out (or spawn a login shell) for it to work. Do the first
2225[15:08:19] <Bliepo> petn-randall: I'm certain that is not what happened, because I have an email from unattended-upgrades which specifically says: "Packages that were upgraded:
2226[15:08:19] <Bliepo> linux-compiler-gcc-4.8-x86 linux-headers-3.16.0-4-amd64 linux-headers-3.16.0-4-common linux-image-3.16.0-4-amd64 linux-libc-dev"
2227[15:08:26] <bezaban> I should stop offering alternate approaches :P
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2229[15:09:03] <bezaban> also out & in rather.
2230[15:09:22] <n4dir> seoner: you satisfied?
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2232[15:10:02] <Guifle> bezaban, it didn't work, I still can't sudo
2233[15:10:06] <seoner> n4dir: What would you say about using encrypted partition with LVM vs truecrypt
2234[15:10:13] <Guifle> do I need to restart?
2235[15:10:13] <bezaban> Guifle: did you log completely out and in again?
2236[15:10:17] <Guifle> ah no
2237[15:10:31] <bezaban> no restart required
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2239[15:10:36] <Guifle> ok
2240[15:10:38] <n4dir> i never heart of anyone using truecrypt to do an encrypted installation with debian, seoner
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2242[15:11:21] <Bliepo> seoner: Truecrypt is also discontinued. I'd recommend using Verascrypt instead.
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2244[15:11:30] <n4dir> in my case the OS itself doesn't have data which are kinda private, need to be protected. Setting up an encrypted folder in my home would suffice. i would use encfs though
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2246[15:12:11] <TomTomTosch> Bliepo: both the stable and backports kernel can be installed at the same time. check dpkg -l linux-image-*
2247[15:12:12] <seoner> Bliepo: Would you use Verascrypt before encryption with LVM?
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2249[15:12:17] <Guifle> bezaban, yes, done! thank you very much!
2250[15:12:37] <seoner> Bliepo: I mean, what would you recommend for full disk encryption?
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2252[15:13:02] <bezaban> Guifle: great! Good luck :)
2253[15:13:15] <Bliepo> seoner: I never really looked into it, I just know that Truecrypt has been discontinued and that Veracrypt is a fork of Truecrypt.
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2255[15:13:17] <seoner> n4dir: I want full disk encryption, would encfg do the work?
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2258[15:13:40] <Guifle> bezaban, thank you :) can I ask another question?
2259[15:13:42] <n4dir> if you want full disk-encryption, then choose the guided way during debian installation and call it a day
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2262[15:14:02] <Bliepo> Ah, I see, both 3.16 and 4.9 are installed
2263[15:14:13] <Guifle> to upgrade to stretch, do I only need to replace "jessie" with "stretch" in sources.list file?
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2266[15:14:24] <bezaban> Guifle: sure, someone else might have to handle it though
2267[15:14:30] <Markow> Question & issue: I downloaded debian-live-8.7.1-amd64-standard.iso (Debian "Live" CD) and placed the iso on a USB Pen Drive using DD. When I boot up, the menu successfully appears. I chose the 1st option, it partially enters the booting process, and then freezes on "Debian login:". I tried using "nomodeset", "nvidia.modeset=0", and "nouveau.modeset=0". Nothing works.
2268[15:14:35] <bezaban> Guifle: there is extensive documentation online, I'll see if I can find it
2269[15:14:59] <Bliepo> So I will have both kernels installed and I will be able to choose which kernel to boot in Grub, with the highest version being the default?
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2271[15:15:19] <bezaban> or well. the documentation wouldn't be finalized until stretch is released
2272[15:15:23] <seoner> n4dir: so the guided way will provide nobody else access my hard drive?
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2274[15:15:47] <petn-randall> Bliepo: zes
2275[15:15:48] <Guifle> bezaban, I remember doing that to be sufficient. but jus wanted to make sure
2276[15:15:50] <bezaban> Guifle: that's the basic flow, but testing is testing, so it *should* work
2277[15:15:56] <petn-randall> Bliepo: yes (damn keyboard layout)
2278[15:16:12] <Brigo> seoner, right and with a password you have to enter every boot.
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2280[15:16:21] <Bliepo> Alright, seems I was worried for nothing then! Thanks for the help!
2281[15:16:22] <bezaban> Guifle: important part is to keep release name in sources.list and not 'stable' or 'testing'
2282[15:16:38] <seoner> Brigo: how "strong" is the guided encryption btw
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2285[15:16:51] <n4dir> seoner: yes.
2286[15:17:07] <bezaban> dpkg, dist-upgrade
2287[15:17:07] <dpkg> dist-upgrade tells apt to also install/remove packages when handling dependencies; security updates may require a dist-upgrade to install (they introduce new packages). Dist-upgrade does not mean changing from stable to testing; apt and aptitude both call dist-upgrade "full-upgrade" to remove this confusion. Read man apt-get carefully. See also <why not dist-upgrade>, <full-upgrade>.
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2290[15:17:36] <seoner> i heard some people talking about luks encryption for the best encryption solution. Thats why im not sure what to use.
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2292[15:17:36] <n4dir> seoner: no one without the passwd will be able to boot it, and no one without the password will be able to mount the partitions
2293[15:17:37] <bezaban> right. thanks for clearing that up dpkg
2294[15:17:37] <Brigo> seoner, as i already said, i have never used it. Maybe it is configurable.
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2296[15:18:05] <Brigo> bezaban, it is a bot
2297[15:18:05] <n4dir> seoner: pretty sure the lvm uses luks. that is a 99% at minimum
2298[15:18:17] <Guifle> bezaban, sure, thank you!
2299[15:18:30] <bezaban> Brigo: I know, I invoked the trigger
2300[15:18:39] <ShalokShalom> replaced-url
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2302[15:18:42] <ShalokShalom> empty?
2303[15:18:57] <Brigo> bezaban, right.
2304[15:18:57] <j4ckcom> -su: pip: command not found. <— what’s wrong?
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2306[15:19:11] <seoner> Brigo: configurable like in setup or after the installation?
2307[15:19:11] <bezaban> Brigo: but it was not the one I was after :)
2308[15:19:21] <Brigo> j4ckcom, su didn't found the command
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2310[15:19:33] <j4ckcom> Brigo: then how can i do?
2311[15:19:37] <petn-randall> j4ckcom: "Command not found" usually means that whatever you try to run isn't installed.
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2313[15:20:06] <seoner> n4dir: Then why are people using "manual" full disk encryption and not LVM?
2314[15:20:08] <Brigo> seoner, just try it and see
2315[15:20:16] <lroe> can someone help me understand what would cause my etcap cap_net_raw+eip <file> to be removed?
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2317[15:20:21] <j4ckcom> petn-randall: then how can i do?
2318[15:20:25] <seoner> Brigo: Maybe, Thank you.
2319[15:20:29] <Brigo> seoner, np
2320[15:20:31] <petn-randall> j4ckcom: Install pip.
2321[15:20:31] <n4dir> seoner: i for one am not much in the mood to get the head into lvm, that is the only reason
2322[15:20:40] <j4ckcom> petn-randall: then how?
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2324[15:21:08] <n4dir> seoner: the ones who use it like it pretty much, can give good examples for the advantages, etc.
2325[15:21:16] <petn-randall> j4ckcom: Are you running Debian?
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2327[15:21:23] <j4ckcom> yes petn-randall
2328[15:21:25] <wasanzy> hello
2329[15:21:28] <petn-randall> j4ckcom: apt install pip
2330[15:21:33] <j4ckcom> apt-get install python-pip?
2331[15:21:38] <Brigo> python-pip or python3-pip
2332[15:21:38] <j4ckcom> ok petn-randall ?
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2334[15:21:40] <wasanzy> am trying to download ftp://ftp.tw.debian.org/pub/CLE/pub2/frugalware/frugalware-testing/source/lib-extra/srtp/srtp-1.4.2.tgz
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2336[15:21:42] <petn-randall> j4ckcom: or that
2337[15:21:46] <petn-randall> j4ckcom: try it and see.
2338[15:21:48] <j4ckcom> thanks :)
2339[15:21:48] <wasanzy> but am being asked for user and password
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2341[15:22:15] <petn-randall> wasanzy: I'm not
2342[15:22:15] <seoner> n4dir: may I ask why you not using it?
2343[15:22:32] <wasanzy> petn-randall: I don't understand
2344[15:22:53] <wasanzy> I mean I am being asked to enter user and password when I tried to download the package
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2346[15:23:02] <n4dir> i already said so, seoner. As far it's me everything is said.
2347[15:23:05] <petn-randall> wasanzy: I can download that file without entering username and password.
2348[15:23:19] <petn-randall> wasanzy: What tool are you using?
2349[15:23:36] <seoner> n4dir: ok, thank you.
2350[15:23:55] <n4dir> good luck, take it easy
2351[15:23:56] <wasanzy> petn-randall: google chrome
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2354[15:24:25] <wasanzy> I enter the link in browser and it gives me that window to enter user and password
2355[15:24:58] <snowkrash> how can i configure that all localhost mails e.g. root,... are sent by ssmtp?
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2357[15:25:30] <petn-randall> wasanzy: then type anything there.
2358[15:25:36] <Markow> Question & issue: I downloaded debian-live-8.7.1-amd64-standard.iso (Debian "Live" CD) and placed the iso on a USB Pen Drive using DD. When I boot up, the menu successfully appears. I chose the 1st option, it partially enters the booting process, and then freezes on "Debian login:". I tried using "nomodeset", "nvidia.modeset=0", and "nouveau.modeset=0". Nothing works. Can anyone provide suggestions, please?
2359[15:25:59] <jhutchins_wk> snowkrash: You would read the documentation for ssmtp, then install and configure it (and probably remove postfix).
2360[15:26:01] <Markow> Should I include more options on the kernel line when booting the live cd?
2361[15:26:18] <Brigo> Markow, and you are in an amd64 capable machine, are you?
2362[15:26:22] <snowkrash> removed postfix
2363[15:26:34] <wasanzy> petn-randall: well it gives me empty response
2364[15:26:41] <wasanzy> can you give me the link you are using?
2365[15:26:42] <Markow> Brigo: yes
2366[15:26:50] <lysol> Markow, try user/live as the login
2367[15:27:04] <petn-randall> wasanzy: I'm using the same link!
2368[15:27:07] <Markow> lysol: You mean, I actually need a username and password for it?
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2370[15:27:31] <lysol> Markow, no it typically auto logs in, dont know what you did to it :)
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2373[15:27:38] <Markow> lysol: So, "user" as my username, and "live" as my password?
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2375[15:28:14] <Markow> lysol: I did nothing to it, lol! It simply freezes at "debian login: "
2376[15:28:32] <Markow> lysol: Prior to that, the boot process appears to be fine
2377[15:28:42] <lysol> Markow, does it freeze or is it asking you to login?
2378[15:28:44] <Markow> ...until it freezes at that point
2379[15:28:58] <Markow> It prompts me to login it seems
2380[15:29:00] <Markow> but it shouldn't
2381[15:29:04] <Markow> It's a "live" cd
2382[15:29:10] <Markow> There should be no login ,right?
2383[15:29:15] <jhutchins_wk> Markow: "freeze" has a specific meaning that is different from "stop".
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2386[15:29:32] <Markow> Let's just say, it "pauses" at "Debian login: "
2387[15:29:46] <lysol> have you tried logging in
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2389[15:29:54] * petn-randall chuckles.
2390[15:29:55] <Markow> I'm able to type at that point, but how would I know the proper username / password?
2391[15:30:04] <lysol> google ?
2392[15:30:05] <Markow> I tried "root / root"
2393[15:30:17] <petn-randall> Markow: Isn't it documented on the debian live page?
2394[15:30:17] <Markow> I tried "blank / blank"
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2397[15:30:28] <Markow> petn-randall: No
2398[15:30:32] <lysol> replaced-url
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2402[15:30:42] <Markow> hmm. I'll check that
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2405[15:31:29] <Markow> Ah, so: username "user" and the default password "live"
2406[15:31:39] <Markow> Why doesn't Debian provide that info on their download page?
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2408[15:32:44] <BluesKaj> shouldn't need a login page. should boot directly to the dektop
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2410[15:33:03] <BluesKaj> desktop even
2411[15:33:38] <petn-randall> Markow: Good point. Can you e-mail the Debian CD team <debian-cd@lists.debian.org> about it?
2412[15:34:01] <petn-randall> BluesKaj: You do need a password if you want to use sudo.
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2414[15:34:22] <heap_> BluesKaj: what? inet 10.0.1.20/24 brd 10.0.1.255 scope global eth0
2415[15:34:30] <heap_> petn-randall: no i removed package
2416[15:34:33] <Markow> petn-randall: Sure will. Hopefully, that username / password info works!
2417[15:34:33] <jhutchins_wk> Markow: Did you try user/live? Did it work?
2418[15:34:39] <Markow> I'm going to try now
2419[15:34:52] <jhutchins_wk> Markow: Have you verified the md5sum of the iso file and the burned image?
2420[15:34:53] <Markow> Thank everyone. I shall return, with the result.
2421[15:35:00] <Markow> jhutchins_wk: No
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2423[15:35:16] <heap_> i added
2424[15:35:17] <heap_> auto eth0
2425[15:35:17] <heap_> iface eth0 inet static
2426[15:35:26] <heap_> will restart once im back home
2427[15:35:45] <BluesKaj> petn-randall, can't you adduser username sudo ?
2428[15:35:46] <Markow> I'll test the username / password and be back here
2429[15:35:58] <Markow> Thanks again
2430[15:36:04] <petn-randall> BluesKaj: sudo always asks for authentication.
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2434[15:37:04] <BluesKaj> odd i had to install sudo on jessie after installing the OS
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2438[15:39:11] <BluesKaj> as root
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2440[15:39:46] <petn-randall> BluesKaj: If you set a root password, sudo is not installed/used.
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2443[15:39:59] <lysol> BluesKaj, pretty sure thats normal
2444[15:40:16] <BluesKaj> I always set a root pw in debain
2445[15:40:43] <BluesKaj> debian :-)
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2448[15:40:57] <Guifle> hello again :) while changing /etc/apt/sources.list of jessie in order to upgrade to stretch, should I alter the lines in 'volatile' section?
2449[15:41:16] <Guifle> like replacing 'jessie' with 'stretch' in these lines
2450[15:41:17] <petn-randall> Guifle: Is there a reason you're upgrading to stretch?
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2452[15:41:29] <Guifle> petn-randall, yes
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2454[15:41:38] <petn-randall> Guifle: which is?
2455[15:41:58] <Guifle> petn-randall,a program works in stretch only
2456[15:42:06] <petn-randall> Guifle: which one?
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2458[15:42:36] <Guifle> petn-randall, I was advised that I could safely upgrade to stretch. can I not?
2459[15:43:05] <petn-randall> Guifle: Rule of thumb is, if you have to ask, the answer is probably no ;). stretch is not released yet, so it has more bugs than stable.
2460[15:43:15] <Guifle> hm
2461[15:43:18] <lysol> ^
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2463[15:43:28] <petn-randall> Guifle: Which is why I'm asking which program, since there are probably better solutions.
2464[15:43:32] <Guifle> but I was told it was 'frozen',
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2467[15:43:58] <petn-randall> Guifle: That doesn't in any way contradict what I said.
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2470[15:44:04] <BluesKaj> I'm on stretch and np problems sof ar for an ordinary home user install
2471[15:44:17] <seoner> Why are some people using manual full disk encryption and not encryption with LVM?
2472[15:44:39] <petn-randall> seoner: Just a matter of taste. LVM and LUKS are different solutions to different problems.
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2474[15:44:45] <bluss> why is one more manual than the other
2475[15:45:21] <Guifle> petn-randall, I've just changed my mind upon what you said. I'll stick with jessie first, then
2476[15:45:32] <petn-randall> seoner: If you have 5 LUKS encrypted partitions, you have to type 5 passwords on boot. LVM makes that easier by providing several partitions within a single LUKS container.
2477[15:45:43] <seoner> petn-randall: What solutions and problems?
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2479[15:45:55] <petn-randall> Guifle: You still haven't told us what program you're trying to use, we might still help you with that.
2480[15:46:15] <BluesKaj> Guifle, I did have wifi problems on my laptop with stetch so i reverted to jessie
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2482[15:46:31] <seoner> petn-randall: Ok, thank you.
2483[15:46:37] <jhutchins_wk> Guifle: One possibility would be a chroot or dual-boot setup with Stable jessie for reliable use and Stretch testing for testing and running new software.
2484[15:46:55] <petn-randall> seoner: LVM is a level of indirection to partitions. You can for example move a partition, while it's mounted, to another disk. Or snapshot a partition for backup purposes.
2485[15:47:10] <Guifle> BluesKaj, didnt you just write that you had no problems as home user?
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2487[15:47:19] <petn-randall> Yeah
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2490[15:47:41] <Guifle> jhutchins_wk, yes that makes more sense
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2492[15:47:56] <BluesKaj> Guifle, yes, that 's on this desktop with ethernet. no wifi
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2494[15:48:23] <Guifle> BluesKaj, ah, I see
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2498[15:48:48] <Guifle> BluesKaj, so stretch cannot be used with wifi yet?
2499[15:49:08] <petn-randall> I'm guessing BluesKaj just forgot to install the firmware.
2500[15:49:21] <plasmoduck> is there an easy way to encrypt my drive?
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2502[15:49:28] <petn-randall> Guifle: wifi works fine here on two machines running stretch.
2503[15:49:38] <petn-randall> plasmoduck: Yes, use LUKS.
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2505[15:49:57] <jhutchins_wk> Guifle: There's a wide variation in wifi chipsets. Some work, some don't, many require a little extra effort to set up.
2506[15:50:09] <plasmoduck> some gui program
2507[15:50:16] <plasmoduck> gpartd?
2508[15:50:31] <BluesKaj> Guifle, well, I'm not sure, because i found out later that the wifi channels 1 and 11 had problems on stretch, which i also had on jessie , and solved by switching a different wifi channel on the router.
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2510[15:51:03] <seoner> petn-randall: What I want is full disk encryption so nobody can access my hard drive. And Im not sure what method I should use.
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2513[15:51:14] <Guifle> petn-randall, ah, nice :) is it the same firmware as in jessie; 'iwlwifi-5000-1.ucode'? and which one of those shown is required; 5000-2,3,4,5 ?
2514[15:51:32] <petn-randall> seoner: LUKS+LVM is completely fine for that. Just remember that with encryption, if you loose the password, the data is forever gone.
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2516[15:51:46] <darxmurf> plasmoduck: did you try with cryptsetup ?
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2518[15:51:52] <darxmurf> it's not a GUI but not that complicated
2519[15:52:01] <seoner> petn-randall: Okay, thank you.
2520[15:52:10] <Guifle> BluesKaj, ah, I see
2521[15:52:11] <petn-randall> seoner: Also, if the LUKS header, which contains the password-protected key, is damaged, the data is also gone. So I recommend making regular backups.
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2525[15:53:02] <BluesKaj> Guifle, so I'm happy with stretch on the desktop and jessie on the laptop for now
2526[15:53:16] <snowkrash> jhutchins_wk, do i have to remove sendmail?
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2529[15:53:55] <Guifle> petn-randall, are the two machines both laptops?
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2533[15:54:43] <plasmoduck> also, whats the command to update adobe-flash
2534[15:55:23] <lroe> plasmoduck, update-flashplugin-nonfree --install ?
2535[15:55:31] <plasmoduck> thats the one;)
2536[15:56:07] <plasmoduck> wow, 404
2537[15:56:07] <jhutchins_wk> snowkrash: You probably don't have the sendmail package installed. dpkg -l | grep sendmail
2538[15:56:25] <snowkrash> i have
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2540[15:56:30] <jhutchins_wk> snowkrash: You don't actually have to remove postfix (but you already said you did).
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2542[15:56:56] <jhutchins_wk> snowkrash: Most MTAs provide a sendmail executable for compatibility.
2543[15:57:43] <petn-randall> Guifle: zes
2544[15:57:45] <petn-randall> Guifle: yes
2545[15:59:07] <erdave> hello, I have the following situation: I have no internet at my house, and I've installed debian stable. Now I just want to update my repository from my usb memory, to get the security updates, and get fresh packages from my synaptic scripts. How can I accomplish that?
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2551[16:00:49] <Guifle> petn-randall, sounds good :) currently post-installation update-upgrade doesnt happen in jessie, though. is there nothing to install, or am I missing a step?
2552[16:00:49] <erdave> I mean: made an "apt update" and get the list of actual packages from the repos, and then tell synaptic to generate the script with the needed packages.
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2554[16:02:14] <petn-randall> Guifle: What do you mean with that?
2555[16:02:30] <bluss> erdave: I don't have any experience with that, but replaced-url
2556[16:02:38] <bluss> erdave: maybe there are other ones of the same kind
2557[16:03:02] <erdave> bluss: I'll take a look, thanks!
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2559[16:03:08] <petn-randall> bluss: apt-offline is the way to go, yes.
2560[16:03:24] <petn-randall> err, erdave ^^^
2561[16:03:54] <bluss> hm the first question is how easy is it to install apt-offline offline
2562[16:04:17] <Guifle> petn-randall, do I need to add 'contrib' and 'non-free' to all lines in sources.list?
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2565[16:04:26] <Markow> Hi
2566[16:04:48] <Markow> I just want to say, username: "user" and password "live" indeed works! lol
2567[16:04:56] <Markow> for the Live Debian USB / CD
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2569[16:04:59] <Markow> amazing
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2571[16:05:21] <erdave> bluss: jajajaja... yeah, I guess I'll have to find it out...
2572[16:05:21] <Markow> Now who should I contact at Debian to place this info on their Live CD web page?
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2576[16:05:46] <babilen> Markow: #debian-replaced-url
2577[16:05:46] <Markow> It really should be on their website, because who would ever guess this username / password combo?
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2580[16:06:19] <Markow> babilen: I'll look for contact info on their Live CD website, should be some e-mail address there
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2583[16:07:05] <Markow> Another thing I did when I logged in: It was required to 'sudo' into "root", so I disabled that by: passwd -d root
2584[16:07:06] <jhutchins_wk> Guifle: Only if you want programs from those repos. Contrib includes software that may rely on non-free packages.
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2586[16:07:09] <Markow> ;)
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2588[16:07:36] <jhutchins_wk> Markow: It's a little inconvenient to find, but it's not impossible.
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2592[16:07:51] <ychaouche_fromdo> speak test
2593[16:07:54] <jhutchins_wk> Markow: There is documentation.
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2596[16:08:07] <ychaouche_fromdo> anyone seen "speak test" ?
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2599[16:08:22] <Markow> jhutchins_wk: It's really unfortunate that login info is not placed on the download page as it is pretty pertinent
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2602[16:08:59] <Markow> jhutchins_wk: That Live Debian 'standard' non-gui cd makes an excellent utility app
2603[16:09:00] * wreck_boo says hello
2604[16:09:04] <snowkrash> jhutchins_wk, i see
2605[16:09:10] <ychaouche_fromdo> hello wreck_boo
2606[16:09:11] <snowkrash> i only have ssmtp
2607[16:09:13] <Guifle> jhutchins_wk after install nothing is upgraded, that's strange. have all packages been made ready through installation only? that's why I wondered whether repos were maybe missing
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2609[16:09:22] <snowkrash> it even connects to my smtp
2610[16:09:24] <Markow> jhutchins_wk: Which is why Debian should readily provide the username / password info for it
2611[16:09:30] <wreck_boo> how can i decompile a debian pacake
2612[16:09:34] <snowkrash> but tries to send root@localhost
2613[16:09:50] <ychaouche_fromdo> wreck_boo, i believe it's a xz archive
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2615[16:10:02] <plasmoduck> how can I install a free flashplugin
2616[16:10:07] <wreck_boo> no a deb file
2617[16:10:28] <wreck_boo> how can i decompile it
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2619[16:10:58] <teraflops> wreck_boo: you meant decompile a binary or decompress a debian package?
2620[16:11:04] <ychaouche_fromdo> wreck_boo, a deb file is a xz file
2621[16:11:15] <ychaouche_fromdo> only with a .deb extension isntead of .xz
2622[16:11:24] <ychaouche_fromdo> try ar x on it
2623[16:11:34] <teraflops> because decompile!=decompress
2624[16:11:38] <wreck_boo> ok yzchaouche_fromdo
2625[16:11:44] <wreck_boo> how can i?
2626[16:11:45] <Markow> Anyway, thanks again for the assistance on this channel!
2627[16:11:52] <BluesKaj> Guifle, hope you did apt update after changing the sources.list
2628[16:12:05] <ychaouche_fromdo> <ychaouche_fromdo> try ar x on it
2629[16:12:15] <Guifle> BluesKaj, sure
2630[16:12:25] <teraflops> that's for unpack it
2631[16:12:28] <BluesKaj> Guifle, i had to ask :-)
2632[16:12:35] <petn-randall> Guifle: Show us the problem you're seeing, I'm having a difficult time to follow what you're talking about.
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2634[16:12:50] <Guifle> BluesKaj, yes, sure :)
2635[16:13:05] <ychaouche_fromdo> I am on rescue mode and wonder if I should select sda5 or Assemble RAID ?
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2637[16:13:07] <wreck_boo> ok so a package of say squid i shld try: ar x squid...........deb?
2638[16:13:12] <ychaouche_fromdo> I have hardware RAID
2639[16:13:19] <Guifle> petn-randall, I just wondered why apt-get update/upgrade doesn't update-upgrade anything
2640[16:13:24] <Guifle> didn't
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2642[16:13:33] <ychaouche_fromdo> wreck_boo, uyp
2643[16:13:34] <Markow> Btw, what's the best ZFS to use for Debian?
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2645[16:13:37] <ychaouche_fromdo> yup*
2646[16:13:38] <Markow> There are several
2647[16:13:49] <Markow> ZoL ?
2648[16:13:52] <petn-randall> Guifle: It does, but only when there is something to upgrade.
2649[16:14:00] <BluesKaj> Guifle, do sudo apt dist-upgrade
2650[16:14:18] <Guifle> petn-randall, but right after install there is always something to upgrade, no?
2651[16:14:26] <Guifle> BluesKaj, yes, I tried it, too
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2653[16:14:48] <Markow> Another question, on Debian, what's more bleeding edge: "SiD (Unstable)" or "Experimental" ?
2654[16:15:08] <bluss> Markow: they are not the same kind of thing
2655[16:15:26] <TimurTheLame> Markow, you should probably use sid
2656[16:15:30] <Markow> I know they are not the same
2657[16:15:43] <BluesKaj> check your package manager sources, make sure they're changed , Markow
2658[16:15:55] <teraflops> none of them. Markow what does bleeding edge mean for you?
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2660[16:16:09] <Markow> teraflops: Most recent version of the packages
2661[16:16:11] <bluss> Markow: they are not even the same kind, experimental is just carrying a few experimental packages, not a complete debian system
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2665[16:16:55] <Markow> Probably sid
2666[16:16:59] <Markow> ok
2667[16:18:46] <wreck_boo> now to build a debain package with python what do i do
2668[16:19:02] <wreck_boo> all the source code are written in python...
2669[16:19:10] <ychaouche_fromdo> grub should be installed in master boot record of first drive, not in a partition, right ?
2670[16:19:18] <ychaouche_fromdo> I have only Debian on this system I want to rescue
2671[16:19:37] <TimurTheLame> ychaouche_fromdo, yep
2672[16:19:41] <ychaouche_fromdo> 3 partitions /dev/sda1 for /, /dev/sda2 for swap and /dev/sda5 for /var
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2674[16:19:56] <ychaouche_fromdo> ok thanks TimurTheLame
2675[16:19:59] <TimurTheLame> ychaouche_fromdo, on /dev/sda
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2677[16:20:44] <ychaouche_fromdo> I hope this will fix it
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2683[16:22:02] <petn-randall> Guifle: It already downloads the current packages from the repositories during installation.
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2685[16:22:58] <Guifle> petn-randall, ah, then that's why
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2691[16:24:03] <petn-randall> wreck_boo: Tell us about your goal, not what you think the solution is.
2692[16:24:39] <Guifle> petn-randall, as for wifi, which package do I need to install? during install I was shown 'iwlwifi-5000-1.ucode' (and same with 5000-2,3,4,5)
2693[16:24:46] <ychaouche_fromdo> reinstalled grub, still the same erroneous UUID in the ALERT message at boot time and my debian won't boot.
2694[16:24:55] <ychaouche_fromdo> Where is it taking this uuid from ?
2695[16:25:08] <petn-randall> ychaouche_fromdo: /etc/fstab
2696[16:25:31] <petn-randall> ychaouche_fromdo: If you updated that, you might need to update the initramfs with 'update-initramfs -k all'.
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2701[16:26:14] <wreck_boo> i have built a large block of cold written in python i want to distribute it as a debian package not as a module since it relies on a lot of debian binaries
2702[16:26:19] <wreck_boo> how do i do it
2703[16:26:21] <wreck_boo> ?
2704[16:26:35] <ychaouche_fromdo> petn-randall, the /etc/fstab is emtpy at the initramfs prompt, but non-empty when I boot from the rescue CD and mount /dev/sda1 on /
2705[16:26:39] <petn-randall> Guifle: There are several packages named 'firmware-<foo>', check from the description which one you need. There's no downside in installing a firmware package you don't need.
2706[16:27:01] <ychaouche_fromdo> petn-randall, the one in /dev/sda1 includes the correct uuid
2707[16:27:01] <petn-randall> ychaouche_fromdo: Yes, of course I'm referring to the /etc/fstab in your system.
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2709[16:27:21] <ychaouche_fromdo> petn-randall, well at boot it seems it's not reading from it.
2710[16:27:29] * ychaouche_fromdo will check again
2711[16:27:39] <Guifle> petn-randall, but the above ones were shown to me during install, and I was asked if I had them on a removable media. so one of these must be correct, I presume=?
2712[16:27:48] <petn-randall> ychaouche_fromdo: Then your initramfs needs updating (see above).
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2715[16:28:06] <ychaouche_fromdo> petn-randall, from the prompt or from the rescue CD ?
2716[16:28:19] <petn-randall> ychaouche_fromdo: From within the chroot.
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2718[16:28:35] * ychaouche_fromdo has to figure out what the chroot is in this particular situation
2719[16:28:41] <petn-randall> !tell ychaouche_fromdo -about chroot
2720[16:28:47] <petn-randall> ychaouche_fromdo: check dpkg's msg
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2724[16:29:23] <rmrfchik> where I can ask about icedove->thunderbird transition?
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2726[16:29:43] <ychaouche_fromdo> oh ok from the CD
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2728[16:30:09] <ychaouche_fromdo> wreck_boo, I'm sure that debian packaging is documented somewhere on the Internet.
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2731[16:31:04] <petn-randall> wreck_boo: replaced-url
2732[16:31:04] <wreck_boo> yeah using c binaries but am working on python3
2733[16:31:38] <petn-randall> wreck_boo: Start at "3." if you don't want to package it for inclusion in Debian.
2734[16:32:13] * wreck_boo says thanks
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2742[16:35:13] <ychaouche_fromdo> that's strange, blkid doesn't show /dev/sda2 at all
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2744[16:36:40] <petn-randall> wreck_boo: You're welcome.
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2747[16:38:20] <ychaouche_fromdo> dmsg has 3 lines : "/dev/sda2 unable to read superblock"
2748[16:38:26] <jhutchins_wk> ,v php
2749[16:38:27] <judd> Package: php on amd64 -- stretch: 1:7.0+49; sid: 1:7.0+51
2750[16:39:03] <petn-randall> ychaouche_fromdo: Can you use pastebinit to show us the complete output?
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2752[16:39:17] <jhutchins_wk> ,v mod-php
2753[16:39:18] <judd> No package named 'mod-php' was found in amd64.
2754[16:39:41] <ychaouche_fromdo> fsck /dev/sda2/ says : attempt to read block from filesystem resulted in short read while trying to open /dev/sda2/
2755[16:39:58] <ychaouche_fromdo> petn-randall, that's a phyical machine so I guess not.
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2757[16:40:01] <Guifle> thank you all for your help! I will leave shortly and be back in a bit :)
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2759[16:40:33] <ychaouche_fromdo> petn-randall, if it were a virtual machine I guess I could have copy/paste options but here...
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2761[16:40:41] <petn-randall> !pastebinit
2762[16:40:41] <dpkg> A command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "aptitude install pastebinit; pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list"; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg | pastebinit". See also <pastebinit config>, <nopaste>.
2763[16:40:45] <petn-randall> ychaouche_fromdo: ^^^
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2765[16:41:51] <ychaouche_fromdo> petn-randall, for some reason I also couldn't configure the network, I also had an error message about a required proprietary driver in order for my NICs to be operational
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2771[16:45:06] <ychaouche_fromdo> update-initramfs asks about wether to create a new initramfs or update an existing one (-c or -u) ?
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2780[16:50:00] <petn-randall> ychaouche_fromdo: update-initramfs -k all -u
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2784[16:51:58] <ychaouche_fromdo> thanks petn-randall, I was being cautious.
2785[16:52:23] <ychaouche_fromdo> I'll try and reboot now
2786[16:52:29] <ychaouche_fromdo> Didn't reinstall the grub again
2787[16:52:36] <ychaouche_fromdo> I think I don't need to
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2795[16:55:45] <ychaouche_fromdo> problem persists :(
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2821[17:02:56] <ychaouche_fromdo> I'll leave it here for today.
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2823[17:03:01] <ychaouche_fromdo> Thanks to all who helped
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2825[17:03:12] <cluelessperson> Hey guys, I'm trying to get as SMALL of a debian footprint as possible, I've installed minbase , 124 MB, any suggestions?
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2835[17:05:51] <dontknow> cluelessperson, are you going to install desktop environment?
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2850[17:10:10] <mandeep> is there a recommended way to improve font smoothing/rendering on mate?
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2854[17:10:38] <mandeep> theres seems to be many options, but not sure which is the best
2855[17:10:44] <plasmoduck> how do I update my graphics drivers? Why isn't apt update/upgrade doing it for me? :/
2856[17:11:06] <mandeep> plasmoduck: which video card/
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2860[17:11:35] <plasmoduck> "This game requires OpenGL Version 3.0 however you have version 2.*.* installed, please upgrade your driver"
2861[17:11:40] <plasmoduck> It's a laptop
2862[17:11:47] <plasmoduck> intel intergrated I think
2863[17:12:06] <mandeep> and you're on jessie?
2864[17:12:06] <greycat> start with lspci -nn | grep -i vga
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2867[17:12:48] <plasmoduck> 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Intel Corporation Core Processor Integrated Graphics Controller [8086:0046] (rev 02)
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2870[17:13:20] <plasmoduck> I wish that I had jessies girl
2871[17:13:45] <zykotick9> does anyone have any information on what happened to "release" from mozilla.debian.net? i'm getting an error from "apt update", so i visted the webpage, and it's "Sorry, this version is not available." it was there yesterday?!?!
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2873[17:14:32] <dontknow> :O
2874[17:14:42] <towo`> plasmoduck, you would need a newer mesa, kernel, drm and intel-ddx
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2876[17:15:00] <plasmoduck> towo`: where do I get that?
2877[17:15:12] <towo`> not from stable afaik
2878[17:15:13] <plasmoduck> from the store?
2879[17:15:26] <plasmoduck> how about if im testing?
2880[17:15:33] <dontknow> plasmoduck, what is the generation of cpu
2881[17:15:45] <plasmoduck> core i5 vPro
2882[17:15:50] <bluss> zykotick9: most likely because firefox got a new version
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2884[17:15:56] <dontknow> plasmoduck, write full name
2885[17:16:04] <greycat> plasmoduck: yes, towo` is suggesting that you may do better on stretch (which is currently frozen testing)
2886[17:16:05] <towo`> plasmoduck, oh, backports has 13.0.5, could be enaugth
2887[17:16:15] <plasmoduck> m 560
2888[17:16:27] <greycat> although if jessie-backports works....
2889[17:16:28] <dontknow> i don't know what is that!
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2891[17:16:31] <towo`> that's skylake
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2893[17:16:47] <plasmoduck> ok im on stretch now
2894[17:16:53] <dontknow> ah ok. it supports opengl 3.0 then
2895[17:16:54] <plasmoduck> ill try on this computer
2896[17:16:55] <towo`> you realy need at minimum backports kaernel, drm and intel-ddx
2897[17:17:04] <towo`> i would go with stretch
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2901[17:17:23] <plasmoduck> so how do I upgrade them? Im on the stretch laptop
2902[17:17:31] <towo`> and you need non-free firmware
2903[17:17:38] <greycat> !skylake
2904[17:17:38] <dpkg> an <intel-gfx> chipset requiring firmware. For jessie support, enable <backports> and <non-free sources>, then install <bpo kernel>, xserver-xorg-video-intel and firmware-misc-nonfree from jessie-backports.
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2908[17:17:57] <towo`> plasmoduck, you have testing?
2909[17:18:07] <plasmoduck> yup
2910[17:18:09] <towo`> plasmoduck, then maybe only the firmware is missing
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2913[17:18:18] <plasmoduck> I have all 3 versions of debian installed
2914[17:18:35] <plasmoduck> stable, testing, unstable
2915[17:18:40] <greycat> .oO( which 3 )
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2918[17:18:58] <greycat> So, not so much "installations" as "I am tracking each of the symlinks"
2919[17:19:15] <plasmoduck> there is like 20 computers sitting here
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2921[17:19:32] <greycat> well, try installing firmware-misc-nonfree
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2924[17:20:19] <plasmoduck> thanks
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2935[17:25:09] <cluelessperson> Hey guys, I'm trying to get as SMALL of a debian footprint as possible
2936[17:25:22] <cluelessperson> So far, with deian alone, I can get a bootable ISO of 106MB
2937[17:25:33] <cluelessperson> but I'm having difficultying getting that number any lower
2938[17:25:39] <cluelessperson> Anyone have any ideas?
2939[17:25:53] <cluelessperson> I tried compiling the kernel once, but without much change
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2943[17:26:32] <babilen> cluelessperson: Why are you doing this?
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2946[17:27:29] <babilen> And 106M is pretty alright, isn't it?
2947[17:27:52] <cluelessperson> babilen: not small enough! :P
2948[17:27:58] <babilen> Why?
2949[17:28:05] <babilen> Or rather: Whatfor?
2950[17:28:08] <cluelessperson> babilen: I want < 100 MB
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2952[17:28:18] <cluelessperson> babilen: because it's a livecd that boots into RAM
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2954[17:28:24] <babilen> I want a fluffy kitty, but I can't have that at the moment
2955[17:28:34] <cluelessperson> babilen: kill your dog. :)
2956[17:29:00] * Iridos hands babilen a fluffy kitten
2957[17:29:06] <TimurTheLame> cluelessperson, whaa?
2958[17:29:10] <babilen> 106M is fine for a live cd
2959[17:29:34] <babilen> Which problems are you facing?
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2961[17:29:57] <TimurTheLame> cluelessperson, anyway, sorry for going on a tangent, but what's the live cd going to be used for?
2962[17:30:07] <TimurTheLame> cluelessperson, I mean, is it a hobby project or something?
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2965[17:31:10] <babilen> That isn't necessarily a tangent but crucial to solving the problem, isn't it? :)
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2968[17:32:10] <Iridos> dpkg, minimal install
2969[17:32:10] <dpkg> See replaced-url
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2971[17:32:30] <Iridos> seems to me you're already well under the 2GB that are to be expected…
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2976[17:33:13] <TimurTheLame> I'm glad to know that half of debian users are bewildered by the fact that cron is part of the base system
2977[17:33:25] <TimurTheLame> Not only that, but exim4 seems to be as well
2978[17:33:29] <cluelessperson> TimurTheLame: right now it's hobby, but I'm making some hopefully portable scripts that can be used to create easy livecd tools.
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2980[17:33:49] <cluelessperson> It's useful to just have, "run commands to customize system here" and pop out a <200MB bootable iso
2981[17:33:50] <Iridos> dpkg, sort by package size
2982[17:33:50] <dpkg> to see a list of installed packages by installed size install dctrl-tools and run 'grep-status -FStatus -sInstalled-Size,Package -n "install ok installed" | paste -sd " \n" | sort -n'
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2988[17:34:48] <greycat> !ds
2989[17:34:49] <dpkg> ds is a little perl script that lists installed Debian packages in descending size order. It's available at replaced-url
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2991[17:35:45] <greycat> "My cart has 7 wheels, all different!"
2992[17:35:46] <Iridos> maemo, a debian clone that ran/runs on the N900 deleted all man-pages
2993[17:35:48] <Iridos> I hated that
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2997[17:37:24] <Iridos> also, I guess this is a…
2998[17:37:27] <Iridos> dpkg, pure blend
2999[17:37:27] <dpkg> A Debian Pure Blend (formerly Custom Debian Distribution) is a subset of Debian configured to support a particular target group out-of-the-box. Not to be confused with distributions <based on Debian>. replaced-url
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3006[17:39:02] <Iridos> there doesn't seem to be one focusing on disk space… but I'd go along the lines of a pure blend if I'd try to do something like that
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3013[17:40:51] <TimurTheLame> I used to have a problem with installing every single optional dependency of most packages that I installed. I usually reached ~30GB on / :D
3014[17:41:38] <SerajewelKS> i generally do a dry run install with recommends and one without, then compare the output to see what extra junk would be installed
3015[17:41:45] <SerajewelKS> and pick things out specifically if i think they would be useful
3016[17:41:51] <TimurTheLame> I cut down on them and now I have "only" 15GB :D
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3019[17:42:47] <SerajewelKS> i wish aptitude did a better job of handling recommended packages. when you go to the action summary screen, have a section "these packages will be installed because they are recommended" so that i can sort through them in one place.
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3025[17:44:07] <TimurTheLame> SerajewelKS, I'm going to get a lot of hatred for saying this, but pacman is far superior to aptitude
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3034[17:45:41] <Casper366> hi. i hope i'm right here. is there a fstab(mount)-option to automount when connected (so not only at startup)?
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3039[17:46:28] <greycat> "connected" meaning when some network interface is brought up? or what?
3040[17:46:43] <SerajewelKS> Casper366: fstab is only read when mount and friends are executed. there's nothing there for automated mounting when devices are attached.
3041[17:46:49] <Casper366> haha, hi greycat. connected means plugged in
3042[17:47:01] <SerajewelKS> there are daemons that will do that, and there's probably a way to configure udev to look for specific devices and mount them
3043[17:47:03] <greycat> Powered on? With electricity? That's the same as booting.
3044[17:47:29] <Casper366> no, the pc runs and the electricity of the external hdd is plugged in
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3046[17:47:52] <greycat> Oh, you want Debian to somehow detect that you have powered on and attached a new external disk?
3047[17:47:56] <Casper366> thus beeing recognized by the system (visible in dmesg)
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3051[17:48:29] <Casper366> damn, missus is calling for supper. bb in about 20 min :-)
3052[17:48:38] <greycat> I originally read "connected" as "my computer has been connected to a network"
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3055[17:49:10] <SerajewelKS> greycat: that's what i thought at first read but on the second read i figured he meant connected by USB cable or similar
3056[17:49:53] <SerajewelKS> the terms were a bit ambiguous, but the context in the first part of the question was sufficient
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3059[17:50:33] <greycat> well, maybe by the time he comes back someone will know how to answer his question
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3063[17:51:54] <cluelessperson> Here's my script to create that bootable ISO with a minimal debian installation
3064[17:51:57] <cluelessperson> replaced-url
3065[17:52:09] <cluelessperson> With Python, it becomes 124 MB
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3104[18:08:47] <stoned> That's cool
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3106[18:08:54] <stoned> cluelessperson: nice job
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3108[18:09:23] <Casper366> back. sorry for my fast dissapearance
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3112[18:10:36] <Casper366> so, yes, i'd like a hdd be automounted when attatched (better word than connected)
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3114[18:11:22] <Casper366> while pondering on my problem over meal i remembered a package called usbautomount or similar. i think i'll try if thats possible
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3118[18:11:44] <stoned> try pmount
3119[18:11:45] <greycat> google said "usbmount" which is apparently not in stretch, but is in wheezy, jessie and sid
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3122[18:12:31] <stoned> ,v pmount
3123[18:12:32] <judd> Package: pmount on amd64 -- wheezy: 0.9.23-2; jessie: 0.9.23-3+b1; sid: 0.9.23-3+b2; stretch: 0.9.23-3+b2; experimental: 0.9.99-alpha-1
3124[18:12:45] <greycat> The pkg description for pmount says nothing about automounting or detection.
3125[18:12:57] <stoned> replaced-url
3126[18:13:15] <stoned> I used it once in etch.
3127[18:13:17] <stoned> I think.
3128[18:13:28] <greycat> Nothing in there about automountig.
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3130[18:14:36] <stoned> Yeah, you have to set it up...
3131[18:14:39] <Casper366> found it: replaced-url
3132[18:14:46] <stoned> Feel free to write further the wiki article.
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3134[18:14:58] <greycat> stoned: Why? It's the wrong STARTING point.
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3137[18:15:28] <stoned> That's what was advised to me once in here, and that's what I used to setup my automounting rules.
3138[18:15:47] <greycat> So what did you use for the "auto" part?
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3146[18:16:56] <stoned> for example ACTION=="add",KERNEL=="sdb*", RUN+="/usr/bin/pmount --sync --umask 000 %k" or something of that nature in udev automount rules
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3148[18:17:05] <greycat> So you are actually using udev.
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3150[18:17:14] <greycat> The starting point therefore would be a udev page.
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3152[18:17:17] <stoned> What else is gonna use?
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3154[18:17:28] <greycat> ,info usbmount
3155[18:17:42] <judd> Package usbmount (admin, extra) in jessie/amd64: automatically mount and unmount USB mass storage devices. Version: 0.0.22; Size: 17.3k; Installed: 116k; Homepage: replaced-url
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3158[18:18:04] <yeik> hello all
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3162[18:19:13] <stoned> it's automatic now, nice
3163[18:19:14] <Casper366> that concludes my search. Thanks all for your help, especially greycat. And thanks for your time you invest in helping people like me
3164[18:19:15] <stoned> that's useful
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3167[18:19:29] <yeik> whats automatic?
3168[18:19:43] <stoned> usb automount w/ usbmount seems
3169[18:19:47] <stoned> i wonder how it does it.
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3172[18:20:38] <stoned> USBmount is intended as a lightweight solution which is independent of a desktop environment. Users which would like an icon to appear when an USB device is plugged in should use the pmount and hal packages instead.
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3175[18:21:00] <stoned> eh.
3176[18:21:14] <stoned> like I was advised once, pmount and udev.
3177[18:21:18] <stoned> have fun
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3180[18:21:43] <stoned> replaced-url
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3182[18:22:42] <greycat> stoned: "The script that does the mounting is called by the udev daemon."
3183[18:22:50] <greycat> from the pkg description
3184[18:22:50] <stoned> greycat: stoned> What else is gonna use? <- what else but udev?
3185[18:23:00] <greycat> well, the other choice is autofs
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3187[18:23:12] <stoned> is that used in debian?
3188[18:23:27] <greycat> But udev is a more natural fit here, because it knows about *things getting attached and detached* whereas autofs does not.
3189[18:23:39] <stoned> *nod*
3190[18:23:44] <stoned> seems like a good solution
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3243[18:47:44] <bin_bash> Hi... I can't access the wiki for some reason. Any page I go to gives me: Forbidden <p>You are not allowed to access this!</p
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3249[18:49:00] <somiaj> bin_bash: what page in paticular
3250[18:49:05] <greycat> DNS problem (you're getting the wrong IP), or you overrode it in /etc/hosts, or you tried to use an IP address in the URL instead of a hostname
3251[18:49:11] <bin_bash> somiaj: literally any of them
3252[18:49:30] <bin_bash> greycat: what IP should i be getting?
3253[18:49:32] <somiaj> bin_bash: okay, just checking it wasn't one paticular page.
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3255[18:50:18] <greycat> wiki.debian.org is a nickname for wilder.debian.org
3256[18:50:18] <greycat> wilder.debian.org has address 82.195.75.112
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3259[18:50:47] <bin_bash> anon7@singularity:~$ ping wilder.debian.org
3260[18:50:47] <bin_bash> PING wilder.debian.org (82.195.75.112) 56(84) bytes of data.
3261[18:50:53] <bin_bash> that is the IP address I'm getting
3262[18:50:58] <bin_bash> and yet curl gives a 403 as well
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3266[18:52:09] <somiaj> bin_bash: are you using wilder.debian.org or wiki.debian.org in your urls?
3267[18:52:15] <bin_bash> wiki.debian.org
3268[18:53:09] <bin_bash> replaced-url
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3274[18:54:39] <cluelessperson> stoned: thanks, but how can I do better?
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3278[18:55:43] <TimurTheLame> bin_bash, weird
3279[18:56:02] <bin_bash> i think my ip address is banned...
3280[18:56:08] <bin_bash> or something?
3281[18:56:08] <bin_bash> idk
3282[18:56:12] <Iridos> but the certificate seems intact
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3284[18:56:34] <Iridos> looks like it… maybe your IP is in a known spammer-IP range
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3287[18:56:47] <bin_bash> =/
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3290[18:57:05] <bin_bash> so how do i get my ip unbanned... i can't exactly rtfm if i'm forbidden
3291[18:57:22] <TimurTheLame> bin_bash, where are you from?
3292[18:57:29] <bin_bash> the US
3293[18:57:33] <TimurTheLame> bin_bash, lol
3294[18:57:35] <bin_bash> this IP is in NY
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3296[18:58:12] <TimurTheLame> bin_bash, don't think that they'd ban an US IP range
3297[18:58:26] <bin_bash> well apparently they did
3298[18:58:28] <plasmoduck> [04:56:44] Warning: Suspicious file types found in /dev:
3299[18:58:28] <plasmoduck> [04:56:44] /dev/shm/cjg-Shm_125376fc: data
3300[18:58:28] <plasmoduck> [04:56:44] /dev/shm/cjg-Shm_2c4a33cf: data
3301[18:58:28] <plasmoduck> [04:56:44] /dev/shm/cjg-Shm_3527aa31: PGP Secret Sub-key -
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3304[18:58:36] <bin_bash> and my IP isn't on any blocklists.
3305[18:58:47] <plasmoduck> sorry I didnt mean to send so many lines
3306[18:58:52] <plasmoduck> what is this about?
3307[18:59:09] <greycat> You are still *speculating* that the problem you are seeing is the result of an admin policy decision.
3308[18:59:17] <somiaj> bin_bash: what version of chromium is that?
3309[18:59:22] <bin_bash> somiaj: it's firefox
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3311[18:59:30] <somiaj> bin_bash: sorry firefox, can't tell them apart
3312[18:59:57] <bin_bash> somiaj: firefox-esr 45.x
3313[19:00:15] <somiaj> yea my thought doesn't apply to firefox anyways.
3314[19:00:56] <TimurTheLame> bin_bash, anything curious in a traceroute wiki.debian.org?
3315[19:01:06] <greycat> Just for grins, I tried replaced-url
3316[19:01:29] <plasmoduck> should I delete them?
3317[19:01:39] <greycat> I would suspect that he has an HTTP proxy in the way, before I would suspect a problem that would show up in traceroute.
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3319[19:02:00] <TimurTheLame> bin_bash, oh yeah, are you using a proxy?
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3321[19:02:12] <Iridos> that sounds likely
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3324[19:02:50] <Iridos> greycat, well, sounds likely EXCEPT that I can see the lock-sign showing an intact https connection to wiki.debian.org…
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3326[19:02:55] <bin_bash> TimurTheLame: SOCKS5
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3329[19:03:33] <Iridos> and how would a proxy intercept that without triggering some name conflict thing with the certificate
3330[19:04:15] <bin_bash> well when i use a different IP it works
3331[19:04:39] <bin_bash> so i think the problem is this particular IP, which is not good, since a) it's located in buffalo NY, and b) it's not on any blocklists
3332[19:04:48] <greycat> "use a different IP" meaning "I go through a different ssh -D proxy"?
3333[19:04:50] <bin_bash> yes
3334[19:04:53] <bin_bash> a different server
3335[19:05:00] <bin_bash> same method
3336[19:05:05] <greycat> Maybe your DNS is just fucked on that one server.
3337[19:05:27] <bin_bash> why would the DNS be a problem?
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3339[19:05:33] <bin_bash> it goes to the correct IP address
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3342[19:05:45] <greycat> That's the part I'm not clear on.
3343[19:05:53] <somiaj> it could be a routing/firewall issue where that request is being redirected somewhere.
3344[19:05:54] <Iridos> hm… funny… wiki.debian.org says "config available", linking to replaced-url
3345[19:06:02] <greycat> although Iridos makes a good point about the SSL being happy
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3347[19:06:38] <bin_bash> same thing happens in chromium 55 as well
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3351[19:06:59] <bin_bash> why would the SSL have anything to do with the SOCKS connection?
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3353[19:07:11] <Iridos> bin_bash, what about replaced-url
3354[19:07:32] <bin_bash> yep
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3356[19:07:43] <greycat> bin_bash: I'm wondering if your ssh -D endpoint is connecting to the wrong web server. But Iridos points out that your browser seems happy with the SSL connection, which is evidence AGAINST my theory.
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3358[19:08:03] <bin_bash> ahh i see what you mean
3359[19:08:13] <bin_bash> do you want the traceroute? hold on....
3360[19:08:18] <wonton> is systemd riddled with CIA backdoors ?
3361[19:08:23] <bin_bash> no lol
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3363[19:08:27] <bin_bash> i mean it's unlikely
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3365[19:08:36] <bin_bash> im not anyone of importance
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3369[19:09:08] <Iridos> well, wiki.debian.org says that hosting is provided by replaced-url
3370[19:09:27] <bin_bash> eir sites…
3371[19:09:29] <bin_bash> oops
3372[19:09:34] <Iridos> wonton, no, the backdoors inside the intel chips make that unnecessary
3373[19:09:34] <bin_bash> replaced-url
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3376[19:09:44] <greycat> It also seems unlikely that a wiki admin trying to stop a spammer would completely disable ALL access to the wiki from an IP, instead of just disallowing edits from the IP.
3377[19:09:53] <greycat> But, it's possible.
3378[19:10:16] <bin_bash> greycat: that would have been my assumption as well, but im wondering if maybe there was smeone who had this ip or block before that was a real problem specifically for them
3379[19:10:22] <bin_bash> since i dont see it on any blocklists at all
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3383[19:11:23] <Iridos> hmm, maybe … this? replaced-url
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3390[19:13:35] <Iridos> bin_bash, you could check if your IP is in that list… replaced-url
3391[19:13:51] <bin_bash> the list loads
3392[19:13:53] <Iridos> oh, but wait… they were discussing iptables and this is some htaccess based thing from the look of it
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3395[19:14:26] <Iridos> forget it, that was barking up the wrong tree
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3398[19:15:08] <TimurTheLame> bin_bash, the only rational explanation is that you're being targeted by the NSA and they're playing mind games on your by refusing you access to random websites!
3399[19:15:24] <TimurTheLame> *on you
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3402[19:16:51] <Iridos> uh, the next page says that replaced-url
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3433[19:31:24] <bin_bash> that site works too lol
3434[19:31:46] <bin_bash> also just checked my hosts file and nothing weird there
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3470[19:44:31] <coreutil> hello ! :) how can I install wifi firware on stretch? can I use this package for jessie: replaced-url
3471[19:44:32] <coreutil> ?
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3473[19:45:08] <greycat> ,v firmware-iwlwifi
3474[19:45:09] <judd> Package: firmware-iwlwifi on amd64 -- wheezy/non-free: 0.36+wheezy.1; wheezy-backports/non-free: 0.43~bpo70+1; jessie/non-free: 0.43; jessie-backports/non-free: 20161130-2~bpo8+1; stretch/non-free: 20161130-2; sid/non-free: 20161130-2
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3476[19:45:17] <greycat> looks like it exists in stretch too
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3479[19:47:36] <coreutil> oh yes, indeed, greycat, you're right..the package contains a number of versions. so with the install, I will have version that I don't need, too?
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3483[19:49:07] <greycat> What.
3484[19:49:14] <towo`> you not really have a clue, how package management works?
3485[19:49:31] <coreutil> you're asking me?
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3490[19:49:43] <towo`> coreutil, who else?
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3492[19:49:48] <coreutil> I dont know
3493[19:49:52] <coreutil> I am not alone here
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3495[19:50:08] <coreutil> yes, I dont have a clue. is that a sin and a shameß
3496[19:50:09] <coreutil> ?
3497[19:50:39] <towo`> learn the debian basics
3498[19:50:42] <n4dir> if you don't have a clue you probably shouldn't be running stretch (assuming stretch is testing).
3499[19:50:50] <greycat> yes, stretch is testing
3500[19:50:52] <coreutil> thanks. but I will run it.
3501[19:51:12] <coreutil> now if I can get for my real question from someone, I will be thankful
3502[19:51:17] <coreutil> get help*
3503[19:51:31] <towo`> apt install firmware-iwlwifi
3504[19:51:32] <n4dir> apt-get install firmware-iwlwifi
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3506[19:52:07] <n4dir> won't hurt to post your sources list, coreutil
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3511[19:53:53] <coreutil> do I need to install 'wireless-tools' at all?
3512[19:54:18] <coreutil> it is referred as prereq. on wiki
3513[19:54:34] <greycat> If it is literally required by the package, apt will pull it in.
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3516[19:55:08] <coreutil> ah, ok, thanks
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3518[19:56:11] <coreutil> will be back in a min
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3520[19:57:37] <Iridos> well, but the firmware package doesn't depend on anything because it only contains the firmware blob… which I guess is loaded in by the kernel itself in some way…
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3522[19:58:31] <Iridos> but seems to me like you need/want wirelesstools if you actually want to use the wireless
3523[19:58:49] <coreutil> back again..I installed firmware-iwlwifi. do I need to restart?
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3526[19:59:30] <jpw> you shouldnt have to
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3528[20:00:06] <jpw> if you type `ip l\ you should see your wireless card
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3531[20:00:45] <coreutil> jpw, I installed them all, but no wifi appeared. now that I restarted, I have the,
3532[20:00:48] <coreutil> them*
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3534[20:01:18] <jpw> let me just read the backlog, 1 sec
3535[20:01:18] <aesthetik> Click on the link and get $110!
3536[20:01:18] <aesthetik> replaced-url
3537[20:01:18] <aesthetik> - Make 1,5% Daily profit !
3538[20:01:18] <aesthetik> - Invite a friend and get 1$ as a gift !
3539[20:01:19] *** aesthetik was kicked by debhelper (flood. Please use replaced-url
3540[20:01:26] <coreutil> by the way, so I dont need to install the deb package from the net?
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3543[20:01:42] <greycat> coreutil: you should be installing everything with apt-get
3544[20:01:48] <greycat> (or aptitude, or apt, or synaptic)
3545[20:01:52] <coreutil> greycat, right
3546[20:02:03] <n4dir> no, you use apt-get, aptitude or one of the gui frontends (synaptic?) coreutil
3547[20:02:24] <n4dir> dang, too slow
3548[20:02:28] <stoned> sometimes you can install from the net, using a .deb packages (which is not in repository) but that's not uspported
3549[20:02:39] <stoned> only official reposityr packages are uspported (techsupport wise)
3550[20:03:13] <greycat> For coreutil in particular, that would be an EXTREMELY unwise idea. He doesn't even understand the basic concepts.
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3552[20:03:37] <n4dir> to solve the wireless problem you will probably have to offer some of this info: ifconfig, ifconfig -a, lspci ; or lspci | grep -i net (or such)
3553[20:04:00] <jpw> *ahem* iwconfig or ip please :p
3554[20:04:05] <n4dir> use pastebinit (the program) or a side like paste.debian.net to give that info
3555[20:04:27] <coreutil> greycat before I talked to you here, I'd first found this deb page, and installed it, frankly. is my system darned forever now?
3556[20:04:33] <n4dir> jpw: sure. old dogs don't learn new tricks. aka my fault
3557[20:04:45] <greycat> coreutil: what *precisely* did you do? What commands did you run?
3558[20:05:38] <coreutil> greycat, I went to the deb package page, clicked on 'all', selected a mirror and downloaded deb. then ran 'dpkg -i *.deb'
3559[20:05:57] * jpw facepalms
3560[20:05:58] <greycat> Which packages did you install this way? What filenames?
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3562[20:07:27] <coreutil> it was 'firmware-iwlwifi_20161130-2_all.deb'
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3565[20:08:29] <greycat> That is the stretch version. So if you are really running stretch as you claimed, that should be perfectly fine. And apt-get install should do nothing since you already have the current version.
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3567[20:09:10] <coreutil> greycat, so it was fine to download from the wild web instead of apt-get?
3568[20:09:34] <greycat> No. You got lucky.
3569[20:09:42] <stoned> web is wild.
3570[20:09:48] <stoned> web gone wild.
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3572[20:10:53] <dowwie> debian stretch cannot come quickly enough
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3574[20:11:59] <coreutil> can I get sha256sum etc. from somewhere? I cant see it on the page
3575[20:12:23] <greycat> wooledg@wooledg:~$ type sha256sum
3576[20:12:23] <greycat> sha256sum is /usr/bin/sha256sum
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3578[20:12:35] <greycat> wooledg@wooledg:~$ dpkg -S /usr/bin/sha256sum
3579[20:12:35] <greycat> coreutils: /usr/bin/sha256sum
3580[20:12:48] <sonOfRa> sha256sum is part of coreutils, isn't it
3581[20:12:51] <greycat> Yes.
3582[20:12:54] <BluesKaj> dowwie, it's stable for home users who don't kmail/PIM/akonadi/mysql
3583[20:12:57] <jpw> yea it should be standard
3584[20:13:01] <BluesKaj> need
3585[20:13:11] <greycat> Not just standard. Required.
3586[20:13:14] <coreutil> I found the sha256sum by command line, but I need to compare it with the one on download page
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3589[20:13:27] <greycat> coreutil: what the FUCK are you talking about
3590[20:13:44] <coreutil> greycat, maybe go grab a coffee?
3591[20:13:48] <jpw> im fairly sure he's trolling now
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3594[20:13:53] <n4dir> yup
3595[20:13:54] <BluesKaj> greycat, easy now....
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3597[20:15:00] <dowwie> wait, mysql is bundled in stretch?
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3600[20:15:17] <jpw> coreutil: in case you are being serious `sha256sum --version`
3601[20:15:53] <jpw> however if you're not, please quit. thanks
3602[20:16:02] <coreutil> jpw I thing those here didnt understand my sentence. I just meant to say that I precisely did that on terminal
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3605[20:16:40] <TomTomTosch> you want the hash to check if the package you downloaded is not corrupted?
3606[20:16:41] <BluesKaj> dowwie, yes
3607[20:16:44] <jhutchins_wk> dowwie: Bundled?
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3610[20:16:59] <dowwie> BluesKaj: is postgres ?
3611[20:17:07] <greycat> If you want to replace your manual download with the one from apt, use: apt-get --reinstall install pkgname
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3614[20:17:40] <dowwie> ah I understand now, nvmd
3615[20:17:46] <BluesKaj> dowwie, no postgres
3616[20:17:57] <coreutil> and I need to verify the terminal output by comparing it to the value on the download page. right?
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3618[20:18:05] <jpw> coreutil: you were talking about firmware-iwlwifi a second ago. I assume english isn't your first language but please articulate ecaxtly what you would like help with. im very confused right now :)
3619[20:18:44] <jpw> yes that is correct.
3620[20:18:56] <greycat> terminal output OF WHAT. FOR WHAT PURPOSE. WHY.
3621[20:19:19] <coreutil> greycat, feel free to withdraw from conversation if that doesnt appeal to you
3622[20:19:41] <greycat> coreutil: feel free to stop being a fucking idiot
3623[20:20:15] <jpw> greycat: please keep it professional
3624[20:20:26] <n4dir> someone has to say it
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3626[20:20:43] <greycat> He doesn't get to be an idiot and then insult me because I ask him to clarify. No.
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3631[20:21:22] <coreutil> fuck you dumbass! you insult people, who the fuck do you think you are? a troll or a FOSS developer?
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3633[20:21:35] <heap_> auto eth0
3634[20:21:38] <coreutil> in a place like FOSS what do you have to do?
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3636[20:21:44] <heap_> helped, thanks it leases its ip
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3669[20:36:00] <tharkun> If I want to download a set of files using the ftp provided program how can I do it.
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3673[20:37:20] <greycat> mget command inside ftp
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3679[20:44:08] * jelly wonders if .netrc is still a thing
3680[20:44:18] <greycat> Far as I know.
3681[20:44:22] <aparaatti> hi firewalld.service won't start in debian stretch, anyone have any pointers what might be wrong/where to look?
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3683[20:44:41] <greycat> Hah. I don't have ftp installed....
3684[20:44:43] <aparaatti> i have tried to reinstall it and dependencies with apt-get install --reinstall
3685[20:44:54] <aparaatti> also purged firewalld
3686[20:45:18] <jelly> aparaatti: which package provides that service?
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3689[20:45:56] <aparaatti> jelly: it's firewalld
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3691[20:46:12] <jelly> ha. Oh well, try asking in
3692[20:46:18] <jelly> !debian-next
3693[20:46:18] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
3694[20:46:38] <aparaatti> oh, thanks! will do
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3697[20:48:34] <OnceMe> does php7 comes with debian 8?
3698[20:48:45] <likcoras> Hi, I'm having trouble connecting to ftp with explicit tls. lftp and pure-ftpd. logs: replaced-url
3699[20:48:52] <greycat> ... and yes, stretch ftp(1) still has .netrc
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3701[20:49:10] <bin_bash> no
3702[20:49:15] <bin_bash> damnit wrong channel
3703[20:49:16] <bin_bash> sorry
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3705[20:50:03] <bin_bash> OnceMe: i think only stretch & sid
3706[20:50:10] <OnceMe> not jessie?
3707[20:50:10] <bin_bash> replaced-url
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3709[20:50:26] <jelly> judd: v php7
3710[20:50:27] <judd> No package named 'php7' was found in amd64.
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3712[20:50:35] <likcoras> What am I doing wrong?
3713[20:50:42] <OnceMe> how to install php7 then?>
3714[20:50:48] <jelly> judd: v php7.1
3715[20:50:49] <judd> Package: php7.1 on amd64 -- sid: 7.1.0-5; sid: 7.1.1-1
3716[20:51:00] <greycat> Sid, or sid.
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3718[20:51:13] <jelly> OnceMe: from sources, into a custom prefix like /opt/php7 ?
3719[20:51:14] <bin_bash> OnceMe: replaced-url
3720[20:51:29] <jelly> judd: v php7.0
3721[20:51:31] <judd> Package: php7.0 on amd64 -- sid: 7.0.14-2; stretch: 7.0.16-3; sid: 7.0.16-3
3722[20:51:34] <OnceMe> is dotdeb good?
3723[20:51:40] <bin_bash> greycat: lol two good choices :P
3724[20:51:47] <bin_bash> don't like sid? use sid!
3725[20:51:52] <jelly> OnceMe: not really, but I guess it's better than nothing
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3728[20:52:12] <bin_bash> OnceMe: do you need php7 for sure
3729[20:52:43] <OnceMe> bin_bash: yes why?
3730[20:53:01] <bin_bash> just curious
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3732[20:53:38] <bin_bash> is this a personal server or a production one or a desktop/laptop/etc
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3734[20:53:47] <OnceMe> production
3735[20:53:48] <jelly> I'd probably go with stretch but I'm a seasoned debianite
3736[20:53:49] <OnceMe> why is dotdeb bad?
3737[20:54:24] <jelly> their packages are sometimes half-assed and they don't care about upgradeability when the next release happens
3738[20:54:24] <bin_bash> i still get stretch and sid confused :(
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3740[20:54:31] <bin_bash> it's been explained to me and ive read about it
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3742[20:54:41] <bin_bash> but i have some kind of mental block lol
3743[20:55:19] <OnceMe> jelly: so what is my option to install php7 then?
3744[20:55:24] <OnceMe> every tutorial reocmmends dotdeb
3745[20:55:25] <jelly> OnceMe: from sources, into a custom prefix like /opt/php7 ?
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3747[20:55:55] <OnceMe> jelly: any tutorial on installation from sources?
3748[20:56:06] <jelly> i mean sure, go install dotdeb, just don't come crying back here if something breaks down the line
3749[20:56:21] <jelly> no tutorials, sorry
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3752[20:57:01] <bin_bash> there are if you google it
3753[20:57:10] <jelly> I've seen very few tutorials that explain what to do when things go wrong, and most common ways things can go wrong (if you miss a step, for example)
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3755[20:57:37] <jelly> bin_bash: yeah no. Telling people to "google it" is amazingly not that helpful
3756[20:57:47] <bin_bash> why? i just did and got numerous results
3757[20:58:08] <jelly> which one of the fifty are bound to have least issues?
3758[20:58:37] <jelly> which one will give OnceMe less problems when they do a release upgrade to stretch 6 months from now?
3759[20:59:03] <jelly> which one is not just a stream of steps and hope nothing goes bad?
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3761[20:59:11] <jelly> !tutorials
3762[20:59:11] <dpkg> A very common problem is that some people prefer to follow a step-by-step tutorial that shows them how to setup their system without reading the documentation or understanding what they are doing. If something goes wrong, they have no clue whatsoever about where to look for hints, and they sometimes decide to start from scratch using a different tutorial. This is not The Proper Way.
3763[20:59:38] <bin_bash> jelly: i never said that there are comprehensive spoon-feeding sites
3764[20:59:42] <bin_bash> i said there are tutorials
3765[20:59:43] <bin_bash> replaced-url
3766[20:59:53] <jelly> bin_bash: also, they can think of that THEMSELVES without someone parroting that line
3767[21:00:04] <bin_bash> jelly: except this guy didn't seem to think of it
3768[21:00:47] <jelly> bin_bash: ok. Let me spell it clearly: don't do that unless you can point to a specific result that you've personally verified it works well
3769[21:01:02] <bin_bash> i just linked to one
3770[21:01:04] <Iridos> There's been times in my life where I followed tutorials… on random blogs or whatever… and the really annoying thing is that they often just don't say what it is that they're doing at that point and why
3771[21:01:28] <jelly> bin_bash: and no, apt howto won't tell one how to build decent packages for a newer php
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3773[21:01:34] <bin_bash> also think about how many peoiple come on irc to ask a question without having ever looked it up, or done any of their own research with the expectation of being spoon-fed and hand-held through the whole experience
3774[21:01:52] <jhutchins_wk> Iridos: I hate when there's no date and no version numbers mentioned.
3775[21:02:03] <Iridos> that's nice, too
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3777[21:02:44] <bin_bash> or what about this one, jelly replaced-url
3778[21:02:59] <jhutchins_wk> Someone at work sent me documentation for setting up PHP 5.4/5.5 on RH, and they installed PHP7.
3779[21:03:00] <bin_bash> like there are a lot of things he could have at least attempting to search for before joining.
3780[21:03:03] <jelly> bin_bash: I don't know. What about it? Have you tested it?
3781[21:03:18] <jelly> do you KNOW it works?
3782[21:03:39] <bin_bash> i haven't personally done it since im using php5 for now
3783[21:03:46] <jelly> then don't suggest it please
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3786[21:04:14] <bin_bash> so only suggestions for things we've personally done are allowed??
3787[21:04:16] <jelly> you don't have to answer every question. Deal with stuff you got personal hands-on experience with
3788[21:04:27] <bin_bash> i do ahve experience with compiling from source though
3789[21:04:34] <jelly> bin_bash: if you have to ask that, yes
3790[21:04:45] <bin_bash> well that's an interesting way of doing things, but ok
3791[21:04:45] <jhutchins_wk> bin_bash: sid is always sid, no matter what the releases are.
3792[21:04:55] <bin_bash> this is the first irc channel where i've heard of a rule like that
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3794[21:05:03] <bin_bash> jhutchins_wk: what are you talking about
3795[21:05:13] <jelly> because it's trivially easy for any non-idiot to look up some keywords on google and read it themselves
3796[21:05:25] <bin_bash> yea but you're assuming that people who come on irc are non-idiots
3797[21:05:30] <bin_bash> that;s a very large assumption
3798[21:05:31] <jelly> yes
3799[21:05:48] <jelly> if they're idiots, they shouldn't be using debian
3800[21:05:57] <bin_bash> a lot of idiots use debian lol
3801[21:06:02] <n4dir> it is also trivially easy for any idiot to state that google has the answer.
3802[21:06:08] <jelly> ^^
3803[21:06:13] <bin_bash> a lot of idiots who don't know how to google but there's no point in arguing
3804[21:06:17] <bin_bash> if that's the rule, then that's the rule
3805[21:06:52] <jelly> you're allowed to give a specific search query that has the correct answer in the first 3 results.
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3807[21:07:08] <jelly> but "google it" is just insulting
3808[21:07:08] <bin_bash> ok
3809[21:07:10] <jhutchins_wk> bin_bash: You said you confused stretch & sid. Sid is always sid, no matter what release is in testing or prod.
3810[21:07:29] <bin_bash> jhutchins_wk: i only meant which is more bleeding edge
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3812[21:07:36] <bin_bash> "testing" vs "unstable"
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3814[21:08:08] <jhutchins_wk> bin_bash: testing is a release in development. sid is packages headed toward testing.
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3816[21:09:25] <bin_bash> so it goes stable -> testing -> sid?
3817[21:09:47] <bin_bash> currently it would be jessie -> stretch -> sid
3818[21:09:52] <n4dir> and old-stable. no idea if experimental is still around too ...
3819[21:09:59] <bin_bash> jessie is most stable, sid is least?
3820[21:10:33] <greycat> jessie is the most recent stable release, from ~2 years ago.
3821[21:11:01] <teraflops> bin_bash: after the long idiot speech are you really asking that here?
3822[21:11:32] <jelly> !sid faq
3823[21:11:32] <dpkg> replaced-url
3824[21:11:52] <n4dir> replaced-url
3825[21:12:24] <bin_bash> teraflops: i guess you missed my joking comment earlier when i said i have a mental block regarding the release names
3826[21:12:49] <teraflops> sure
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3828[21:13:17] <n4dir> might be an idea to assume that other people have blocks too, only different ones bin_bash
3829[21:13:20] <bin_bash> i can repaste it for you if you need it... i have read the docs and when i need to remember i look it up, but in general discussion i always seem to get them confused
3830[21:13:32] <bin_bash> n4dir: of course
3831[21:13:45] <bin_bash> that would be silly to assume otherwise lol
3832[21:13:51] <n4dir> stable should be clear, yes?
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3834[21:14:09] <bin_bash> ya i understand the different levels
3835[21:14:17] <n4dir> new software get's into unstable. and if after 10 days , or so, no bug reports, they get into testing
3836[21:14:20] <bin_bash> i just for some reason get the names mixed up in their associations
3837[21:14:23] <n4dir> testing will be the next stable
3838[21:14:25] <n4dir> helps?
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3840[21:14:37] <bin_bash> right no, that part makes sense.
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3842[21:14:48] <n4dir> ah, so the problem is jessie and such?
3843[21:14:50] <bin_bash> yea
3844[21:14:57] <n4dir> welcome to my world. :-)
3845[21:15:01] <bin_bash> i just always get stretch and sid mixed up in my head lol
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3851[21:18:41] <jelly> well "stretch" didn't even exist before 2015
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3858[21:20:49] <n4dir> correct me if i am wrong, but wasn't testing only referred to as testing in the past? Only the actual release had a "name" ?
3859[21:21:24] <greycat> testing was created many years ago to make releases more sane
3860[21:21:37] <greycat> as a buffer between sid and stable
3861[21:21:50] <n4dir> greycat: yeah, i was unclear. I meant names like "stretch" for testing right now
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3863[21:22:18] <greycat> What about it? I don't understand the question.
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3865[21:22:56] <n4dir> In the past you either said lenny (or stable), but if you referred to testing, you called it "testing", not jessie (or whatever came after lenny)
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3867[21:24:06] <jelly> n4dir: oh, every testing had a codename
3868[21:24:13] <jpw> nah releases even unstable have had names forever
3869[21:24:16] <n4dir> ok. thanks
3870[21:24:28] <jpw> toystory characters for the uninitiated.
3871[21:24:59] <jpw> and sid breaks all your toys.
3872[21:25:08] <n4dir> you wish it would ...
3873[21:25:12] <greycat> !sid
3874[21:25:13] <dpkg> [sid] the codename for <unstable>, named after the kid in Toy Story that breaks toys. The great thing about running sid is that, when it breaks you get to keep ALL the pieces!!
3875[21:25:26] <jelly> unstable merely has a fixed codename FOREVER
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3877[21:25:52] <greycat> dpkg, sid =~ s/that, when it breaks/that when it breaks,/
3878[21:25:52] <dpkg> greycat: OK
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3881[21:26:11] <n4dir> probably was only me who referred to stable with the "name" and to testing simply with "testing"
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3884[21:26:57] <jelly> all the codename references are so confusing to a newbie
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3887[21:27:37] <n4dir> or if you don't deal with it every day ...
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3891[21:29:30] <jpw> even if you do, i still think we're on lenny
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3894[21:29:37] <jpw> my brain will catch up eventually
3895[21:29:39] <n4dir> lol.
3896[21:29:44] <jhutchins_wk> Figuring out which codename was what release can be tough for people who don't constantly follow it. Fortunately, easy to look up.
3897[21:29:59] <userro> how to run get packages designed for different architecture?
3898[21:30:16] <jhutchins_wk> userro: emulator or VM.
3899[21:30:26] <greycat> unless it's i386 on amd64
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3901[21:30:57] <userro> there are deb files but I want the binary file
3902[21:31:13] <greycat> what does that MEAN. what arch are you on, and what arch is the binary program built for?
3903[21:31:26] <jelly> userro: what's your actual goal?
3904[21:31:33] <userro> I am testing qemu
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3906[21:31:52] <jelly> qemu user/syscall wrappers?
3907[21:32:04] <userro> I want different package to test if it works
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3909[21:32:18] <userro> qemu user mode
3910[21:32:22] <jelly> userro: what kind of "different package"?
3911[21:32:22] * greycat hopes jelly understands this, because I sure as hell don't
3912[21:32:41] <teraflops> e.g you can run x86 binaries in arm with qemu
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3914[21:33:00] <userro> yes
3915[21:33:02] <jelly> userro: stupid way: set up a chroot for the non-native arch using debootstrap or similar
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3917[21:33:40] <jelly> more stupid way: enable the foreign arch with dpkg multiarch capabilities
3918[21:33:59] <jelly> then install whatever package:whateverarch
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3920[21:35:02] <jelly> !multiarch
3921[21:35:02] <dpkg> Multiarch allows you to install foreign architecture packages. For example, to allow i386 packages to be installed on an amd64 system: «dpkg --add-architecture i386 && apt-get update». See replaced-url
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3924[21:35:33] <jelly> thus you can eg. enable "armhf" on an "amd64" installation
3925[21:35:52] <userro> oh
3926[21:36:29] <Vladimirski> I want to try my internet speed which should be 2Gbit/s and have tried speedtest but it won't come up in this high speed, is there any alternative way to test?
3927[21:36:36] <userro> does it change all my current installed packages?
3928[21:36:53] <jelly> no, it does not (read the links!)
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3931[21:37:48] <jelly> Vladimirski: does your machine have a network card that can give more than 1Gbit/s ?
3932[21:38:04] <jelly> both ways?
3933[21:38:11] <jhutchins_wk> Vladimirski: replaced-url
3934[21:38:36] <userro> jelly, thanks
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3936[21:39:07] <jhutchins_wk> jelly: A recent NIC and an SSD will usually push pretty close.
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3938[21:39:23] <jelly> note that many packages are still not multiarch-enabled, and you can't have eg. coreutils:amd64 installed at the same time as coreutils:armhf
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3941[21:39:40] <jhutchins_wk> jelly: Datacenters are typically 10G these days.
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3943[21:39:50] <jhutchins_wk> If not higher.
3944[21:39:50] <Vladimirski> jelly: yes, I have multiple 1gbit ethernet cards on the server and I have bonded them to my switch
3945[21:40:26] <jhutchins_wk> Vladimirski: My ssd system gets pretty close to 1G up/down on Google's test, far less on other tests.
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3947[21:40:34] <jelly> Vladimirski: bonding typically requires multiple parallel tcp (or udp) connections to be able to use all the member links
3948[21:40:35] <jhutchins_wk> (GFiber).
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3954[21:41:05] <jelly> Vladimirski: if you test with a single tcp stream, it goes thru a single member of the bond
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3956[21:41:18] <Vladimirski> jelly: so I should have multiple tcp sessions with iperf for instance?
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3958[21:41:25] <jelly> yes, precisely
3959[21:41:28] <Vladimirski> I see
3960[21:41:32] <Vladimirski> thank you jelly
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3970[21:45:45] <mnd> hi guys how do I disable auto start gui while still being able to use startx?
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3973[21:46:14] <greycat> !nodm
3974[21:46:15] <dpkg> Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the DM package(s) with "aptitude remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm gdm3 pdm slim". "echo false >/etc/X11/default-display-manager" will also disable the DM, or just hit ctrl-alt-fN to get to a console. nodm is the name of a minimal/automatic display manager (replaced-url
3975[21:46:18] <mnd> how do I remove the stretch display manager while still being able to use startx
3976[21:46:24] <greycat> (That factoid is out of date now.)
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3978[21:46:41] <mnd> @greycat so it doesnt work on stretch?
3979[21:46:52] <greycat> Sure, it'll work.
3980[21:46:58] <mnd> but?
3981[21:47:01] <greycat> Removing the display manager is a great way to make it stop running.
3982[21:47:27] <mnd> there's no but?
3983[21:47:36] <greycat> But it skips over all the systemd stuff.
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3985[21:48:21] <jelly> judd: whatprovides x-display-manager --release stretch
3986[21:48:23] <greycat> systemd being developed by Red Hat people, it brings back the notion of run levels (just calls them "targets" instead), and there's a whole shitload of complex ways to specify an alternative "target" from the grub layer, etc.
3987[21:48:28] <judd> Package x-display-manager in stretch/amd64 is provided by: gdm3, lightdm, lxdm, nodm, sddm, slim, wdm, xdm.
3988[21:48:38] <userro> jelly, do you know how to see the list of all available architectures?
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3992[21:52:09] <mnd> it says lightlocker and task-xfce-desktop will be removed are you guys sure I can still use startx to get a gui running after this? xD @jelly @greycat
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3996[21:52:36] <jelly> userro: no, but there's probably a list somewhere on debian's web site
3997[21:52:40] <greycat> If all else fails you can always reinstall lightlocker. The task-* is just a metapackage, not anything important.
3998[21:52:57] <jelly> userro: they vary between releases/branches
3999[21:53:04] <jhutchins_wk> systemd uses target files to set what used to be runlevels. multi-user.target will start everything but the GUI. Set that as your default.
4000[21:53:21] <jelly> mnd: if you like xfce, you probably don't want to do that I guess?
4001[21:53:28] <userro> jelly, yeah
4002[21:53:34] <mnd> :(
4003[21:53:49] <userro> I've found the list by Google search
4004[21:53:57] <jelly> mnd: just disable the service in some way, then
4005[21:54:00] <mnd> so startx will run the old X11 desktop?
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4007[21:54:02] <greycat> jhutchins_wk: right, that is the part that's missing from the nodm factoid
4008[21:54:21] <jhutchins_wk> systemctl set-default multi-user.target
4009[21:54:34] <jhutchins_wk> systemctl set-default graphical.target to return to normal config.
4010[21:54:47] <jelly> how does one see the default
4011[21:55:14] <greycat> looks like get-default, from the man page
4012[21:55:26] <jelly> I managed to guess it.
4013[21:55:34] <jhutchins_wk> systemctl get-default
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4015[21:55:50] <jhutchins_wk> replaced-url
4016[21:55:53] <jelly> still peeved at the horribly verbose syntax
4017[21:56:01] <mnd> thanks jhutchins_wk
4018[21:56:26] <jelly> and inability to tab-complete systemctl
4019[21:56:36] * jelly still uses "service"
4020[21:56:52] <greycat> dpkg, nodm =~ s/Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just/In systemd, "systemctl set-default multi-user.target", or/
4021[21:56:52] <dpkg> greycat: OK
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4024[21:58:00] <jelly> !cookie jhutchins_wk and greycat
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4026[21:58:02] * dpkg pulls out the cookie jar and finds ...
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4029[22:00:03] <jpw> art by steevie wonder?
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4031[22:00:22] <greycat> dpkg, nodm =~ s/xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm gdm3 pdm slim/gdm3 kdm lightdm lxdm nodm sddm slim wdm xdm/
4032[22:00:22] <dpkg> OK, greycat
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4034[22:00:34] <greycat> merger of jessie/stretch lists
4035[22:02:13] <jelly> if you're still running wheezy with a GUI, the terrorists have already won
4036[22:02:43] <jelly> wait, is there a "gdm" again?
4037[22:02:58] <greycat> maybe I screwed up
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4039[22:03:07] <jelly> ,v gdm
4040[22:03:08] <judd> No package named 'gdm' was found in amd64.
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4044[22:03:33] <cnnx> is there such a thing as debian 9 yet?
4045[22:03:39] <cnnx> even in beta
4046[22:03:49] <jpw> yes
4047[22:03:51] <cnnx> ok
4048[22:03:52] <jelly> oh, you didn't screw up, I'm reading the s/// wrong
4049[22:03:52] <greycat> We call it "testing".
4050[22:03:57] <cnnx> cool
4051[22:03:57] <greycat> !nodm
4052[22:03:57] <dpkg> In systemd, "systemctl set-default multi-user.target", or remove the DM package(s) with "aptitude remove gdm3 kdm lightdm lxdm nodm sddm slim wdm xdm". "echo false >/etc/X11/default-display-manager" will also disable the DM, or just hit ctrl-alt-fN to get to a console. nodm is the name of a minimal/automatic display manager (replaced-url
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4054[22:04:42] <cnnx> i have a more general question, don't want to start any wars, but when people talk about stable production systems they often refer to RHEL/centos, no one really mentions debian and i find its a stable distro, why is that?
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4057[22:04:56] <greycat> Red Hat has better marketing, probably.
4058[22:04:58] <jelly> cnnx: it's not really a beta or alpha, because the release process is... weird
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4060[22:05:17] <jpw> cnnx: debian is an enterprise OS
4061[22:05:26] <cnnx> jpw: does it offer paid support?
4062[22:05:27] <jpw> stability is everything
4063[22:05:29] <bin_bash> greycat: also enterprise support for rhel
4064[22:05:38] <jelly> s/enterprise/universal/ :>
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4066[22:05:46] <jpw> cnnx: no thats why people often omit it.
4067[22:05:51] <cnnx> ok
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4069[22:05:59] <cnnx> and is it true the creator of it passed away ?
4070[22:06:03] <cnnx> like last year or something?
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4074[22:06:18] * jelly eyes cnnx
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4077[22:06:26] <greycat> One of the original developers. Far from the only one.
4078[22:06:30] <cnnx> oh ok
4079[22:06:38] <jpw> cnnx: debian is much more that a single person
4080[22:06:51] <jpw> and we value everybody.
4081[22:07:00] <cnnx> okay.. (you're talking to a guy who's wearing a debian hoodie sweater right now
4082[22:07:41] <jhutchins_wk> cnnx: Some companies/organizations feel like if they pay for something they're entitled do blame the company if something goes wrong. If something is free, they can't blame anyone. I've had pushback on using anything other than RH or SuSE because of that.
4083[22:07:45] <jpw> Are you refering to Ian Murdock, cos thats a bit crass.
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4085[22:08:09] <cnnx> yes him
4086[22:08:21] <jpw> yes he was the founder.
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4096[22:09:05] <cnnx> i just ordered myself a custom dedicated server right now thats being provisionned and i chose debian 8 on it
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4099[22:10:05] <jpw> boom, enjoy it
4100[22:10:13] <cnnx> as soon as they deliver it
4101[22:10:17] <jhutchins_wk> Gotta wonder what would happen to Ubuntu if they lost Mark Shuttleworth.
4102[22:10:21] <RoyK> replaced-url
4103[22:10:22] <cnnx> got it from an american hosting company
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4107[22:11:08] <jhutchins_wk> RoyK: How are you trying to mount it?
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4114[22:13:11] <RoyK> jhutchins_wk: doesn't really matter how - first "mount dev mountpoint" since everything usually works with autoprobe. Then mount -t ext4 dev mp, then perhaps fsck, which finds something strange, but still unmountable
4115[22:13:49] <jhutchins_wk> Please use the actual command, how are you specifying which partition to mount?
4116[22:14:04] <mnd> debian+apache+php+mysql+ssh = only 281 MB amazing!
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4119[22:14:39] <RoyK> jhutchins_wk: mount /dev/sdj2 sometwhere or mount -t ext4 /dev/sdj2 somewhere
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4123[22:14:55] <RoyK> jhutchins_wk: it works well with a 16GB card - I just don't see how
4124[22:14:58] <RoyK> s/how/why/
4125[22:15:01] * RoyK tries badblocks
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4127[22:15:42] <RoyK> only... it's two different 8GB cards showing the same issue
4128[22:15:45] <RoyK> which is rather strange
4129[22:15:50] <jhutchins_wk> RoyK: I've seen FAT12 systems look totally crazy in fdisk.
4130[22:16:10] <RoyK> jhutchins_wk: I created the partition table with linux' fdisk, as you can see
4131[22:16:11] <jhutchins_wk> RoyK: Like a whole bunch of partitions. I've also seen dead sticks look like that.
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4135[22:16:43] <jhutchins_wk> RoyK: I would try formatting it as a single partition and see if that works.
4136[22:17:06] <jhutchins_wk> you did mkfs, right?
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4138[22:17:38] <RoyK> jhutchins_wk: did you check the thing I pastebinned?
4139[22:17:55] <jhutchins_wk> RoyK: Nope.
4140[22:17:55] <RoyK> hm - doesn't work with sdj1 alone either
4141[22:18:00] <RoyK> jhutchins_wk: it's all there
4142[22:18:28] <RoyK> jhutchins_wk: all your questions answered - before you asked them :P
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4147[22:20:11] <jhutchins_wk> So the DOS partition works, it's the ext partition that's giving you grief.
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4149[22:20:24] <RoyK> yeah
4150[22:20:32] <RoyK> I can mkfs alright, but not mount it
4151[22:20:34] <jhutchins_wk> I dunno, re-run mkfs, maybe try ext3.
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4154[22:20:56] <RoyK> jhutchins_wk: already tried
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4162[22:21:48] <borsin> RoyK: do you need the journal, try with different mount -o journal options?
4163[22:22:17] <jelly> RoyK: which debian release is this? Does your kernel support ext4?
4164[22:22:27] <jhutchins_wk> I'm thinking it's got something to do with the block emulation on the drive.
4165[22:22:40] <RoyK> something is rather strange here... replaced-url
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4167[22:23:10] <mnd> whats the best smtp server for sending and receiving?
4168[22:23:22] * jhutchins_wk suspects someone let the smoke out.
4169[22:23:23] <RoyK> mnd: I use postfix - works well
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4171[22:23:29] <greycat> mnd: whichever one you know how to use best
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4173[22:23:37] <RoyK> jhutchins_wk: on both cards?
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4175[22:23:44] <mnd> thanks RoyK was looking into it too, never used any greycat
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4177[22:24:03] <jelly> mnd: the best smtp server is one someone else maintains
4178[22:24:03] <RoyK> mnd: some prefer exim or even sendmail - it's up to you
4179[22:24:16] <jhutchins_wk> mnd: sendmail has the broadest capabilities - but more than half of them are undocumented.
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4181[22:24:25] <jelly> I'd strongly advise against self-hosting mail services
4182[22:24:46] <RoyK> jelly: works well if you know what you're doing ;)
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4184[22:24:47] <mnd> @jelly why so
4185[22:24:50] <jelly> it's needless pain
4186[22:25:05] <RoyK> jelly: you'll need an mta every now and then, though
4187[22:25:09] <jhutchins_wk> So is dealing with commercial email services.
4188[22:25:19] <RoyK> jelly: rather nice to have something email you when the shit hits the fan
4189[22:25:22] <jelly> RoyK: I know, I'm sr. mail admin at an ISP
4190[22:25:35] <cnnx> anyone have any experience with a company called internetwholesale.net for dedicated servers?
4191[22:25:39] <jelly> it's not worth it unless you're being paid a LOT
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4193[22:25:49] <RoyK> well, you still need an mta to talk to mr jelly's mta ;)
4194[22:25:59] <jelly> RoyK: they said "and receiving"
4195[22:26:08] <jelly> that's self-hosted.
4196[22:26:29] <jelly> a null-mailer, that I can recommend.
4197[22:26:33] <jhutchins_wk> "Receiving" means dealing with spam. Sending means not getting flagged as spam.
4198[22:26:40] <RoyK> jelly: well, I do self-hosted and have done for a decade and a half - works for me (tm)
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4202[22:27:04] <cnnx> RoyK: self hosted at your home?
4203[22:27:05] * RoyK likes to keep in sync with today's IT issues
4204[22:27:14] <jhutchins_wk> mnd: A lot of people use fetchmail to receive, but then there's the question of sending.
4205[22:27:15] <RoyK> cnnx: at a server I manage
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4207[22:27:18] <jelly> it works for me as well, but I wouldn't recommend it to someone asking which MTA software to even pick
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4209[22:27:25] <cnnx> RoyK: in a DC? unmanaged you mean?
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4213[22:28:43] <mnd> @jelly im running a non-profit education website doubt anyone will actually send us mail but if we get haxxed there will be no actual damage
4214[22:28:48] <mnd> or were you reffering to someting else?
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4216[22:29:31] <jelly> mnd: it's half a dozen separate services to get things running neatly, and a few months-years of expertise
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4220[22:30:08] <mnd> @jelly won't postfix & roundcube work fine for the start? :D
4221[22:30:16] <jelly> mnd: no
4222[22:30:28] <mnd> why not
4223[22:30:29] <jelly> roundcube requires an imap server.
4224[22:30:43] <jelly> postfix is a MTA and maybe MDA.
4225[22:30:44] <mnd> it says stmp or imap on their website
4226[22:30:46] <mnd> oh
4227[22:30:52] <jelly> mnd: no, smtp AND imap.
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4229[22:31:18] <mnd> @jelly what do you recommend then? :s
4230[22:31:28] <mnd> besides
4231[22:31:32] <jelly> mnd: don't go there is what I recommend
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4233[22:31:39] <mnd> yeah besides that :D
4234[22:31:56] <jelly> get fastmail, or google for domains, or something
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4237[22:32:21] <jelly> at $3 per user fastmail will be cheaper than time wasted on mail :-)
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4239[22:33:09] <mnd> any books you recommend as a mail sysadmin if I choose wasting time though? :D
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4242[22:33:38] <mnd> I have a pretty powerful dedicated server and time
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4245[22:34:59] <jpw> i concur, email - don't bother
4246[22:35:20] <jpw> it's so hard to get right
4247[22:35:59] <jpw> and it costs effectively nothing to out source.
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4249[22:36:23] <bencc> ttf-adf-gillius is "a purified variation to Gill sans" replaced-url
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4253[22:36:34] <bencc> any reason why it doesn't define a font substitution?
4254[22:36:38] <jelly> mnd: you'd need a smtp server (eg. postfix), imap server (eg. dovecot-imapd), antispam (eg. amavisd-new), antivirus if your users do Windows (eg. clamav, with added sanesecurity), throttling measures (fail2ban), probably calendar and addressbook (caldav, carddav), some sort of user mgt if you don't have unix users already...
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4257[22:36:47] <mnd> thanks jelly <3
4258[22:36:57] <jelly> don't thank me
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4261[22:37:21] <heyodoggo> Hey all, what is avahi-daemon do and can I safely disable/uninstall it? From looking it up it just seems like it's there for autodiscovery of devices.
4262[22:37:36] <heyodoggo> Is this default on Debian, or did I install another package that started this.
4263[22:37:36] <jpw> if you have to host it yourself consider zimbra but beware - its disaster recovery blows
4264[22:37:40] <jelly> mnd: maybe look at workaround.org for an example setup
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4266[22:38:19] <jelly> (their "ISPmail tutorials")
4267[22:38:21] <mnd> oh im not setting it up for multiple users, just for me @jelly postfix dovecot-imapd and roundcube will do the trick
4268[22:38:37] <mnd> but thanks again <3
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4271[22:39:18] <jelly> mnd: if it's for you, limit roundcube accessibility to your IP only (eg. leave it visible only via VPN)
4272[22:39:32] <jelly> it's a php app. Those get exploited quickly and often.
4273[22:39:50] <jelly> when exposed to public internet
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4276[22:40:38] <jelly> heyodoggo: it's installed by default if you pick a desktop environment I think
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4278[22:41:00] <jelly> it usually does not hurt anything
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4283[22:42:18] <heyodoggo> jelly: thank you, I figured out I'd just disable it if it doesn't hurt to.
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4287[22:43:21] <jpw> wow i had no idea there were so many exploits for roundcube
4288[22:43:39] <jelly> again, it's a php app
4289[22:44:07] <jelly> one of the more decent ones possibly
4290[22:44:09] <jpw> eval() everything
4291[22:44:13] <jpw> strikes again
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4293[22:45:22] <jelly> they're past that but it's still a bad platform for safe programming, and there're no decent free generic rules for a web application firewall
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4295[22:46:02] <FREENOODLES> eval() has no boundaries
4296[22:46:18] <greycat> Bad programmers have no boundaries.
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4298[22:46:36] <greycat> You can write bad programs in any language. PHP just makes it easier than most.
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4301[22:47:00] <FREENOODLES> you mean like web foruns
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4305[22:47:30] <jpw> php nuke springs to mind
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4310[22:49:05] <FREENOODLES> jelly you just banned a hole house hold
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4315[22:50:10] <FREENOODLES> why dont people use cgi anymore?
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4317[22:50:35] <jpw> generally because it's more convenient not to
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4319[22:51:06] <jpw> last job i used cgi's all over the place... and it sucked
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4323[22:51:21] <greycat> It's not a scalable design.
4324[22:51:41] <mandeep> when installing python3-flake8 via apt, the package doesnt show in usr/bin/. is this a bug?
4325[22:51:54] <FREENOODLES> i used a cgi web ircclient
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4328[22:52:17] <greycat> mandeep: you can use dpkg -L pkgname to see a list of files installed
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4333[22:53:32] <mandeep> greycat: the files show, but there should be an alias for the application
4334[22:53:55] <jpw> i think the main problem with CGI's is that they require very specific environments in order to run. debugging this can be a real pain in the derriere
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4340[22:56:15] <mnd> replaced-url
4341[22:56:20] <mandeep> greycat: nvm i realized i needed to install another package. thanks for letting me know about -L though
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4345[22:56:58] <buggytom> /amsg i'm a holocaust survivor too. i get a fat pension with the rest of the tens of the millions of survivors.
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4362[23:04:01] <Etothetaui> hi
4363[23:04:11] <Etothetaui> does anyone know why sudo apt autoremove doesnt work
4364[23:04:28] <Etothetaui> I'm getting "Invalid operation autoremove"
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4368[23:04:54] <babilen> Etothetaui: You want apt-get for that
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4370[23:05:13] <dax> the version of apt in stable doesn't do autoremove
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4372[23:05:18] <dax> so yeah, apt-get
4373[23:05:22] <Etothetaui> oh
4374[23:05:25] <Etothetaui> cool
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4376[23:05:26] <Etothetaui> ok
4377[23:05:27] <greycat> stretch's apt has autoremove; jessie's doesn't
4378[23:05:32] <Etothetaui> gotcha
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4381[23:05:59] <Etothetaui> stretch is still in development right?
4382[23:06:10] <greycat> It's testing, currently frozen.
4383[23:06:15] <babilen> It is indeed (but will be released soon)
4384[23:06:21] <Etothetaui> If I'm still new at this would it be a bad idea to switch to that?
4385[23:06:26] <pansophical> babilen: how soon is soon
4386[23:06:28] <Etothetaui> should I wait till its released?
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4388[23:06:59] <babilen> pansophical: We don't know, but I'd say 3-4 months are likely
4389[23:07:10] <babilen> Etothetaui: Wait with what?
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4391[23:07:38] <Etothetaui> like should I keep using jessie till stretch comes out
4392[23:07:41] <pansophical> babilen: is that a fixed time length after every freeze or dependent on the situation at hand?
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4394[23:08:02] <babilen> It always depends on the situation at hand. There are no fixed release dates.
4395[23:08:16] <greycat> !stretch pool 1
4396[23:08:16] <dpkg> ! nauticalnexus=2017-04-19 cruncher=2017-04-12 cruncher=2017-02-18 bæbīlen=2017-05-06 TomTomTosch=2017-08-08 greycat=2017-08-15 jellÿ=2017-03-17 themíll=2017-05-01
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4398[23:08:58] <babilen> Etothetaui: That really depends on your situation and your requirements. On a workstation, laptop or desktop I'd happily run stretch at the moment, but I see no harm in waiting for the actual release either.
4399[23:09:08] <Etothetaui> cools
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4401[23:10:08] <pansophical> babilen: I actually did that, quite successfully until I came to a point where there were missing packages, hehe
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4403[23:11:31] <sim590> I have high CPU usage with pulseaudio (20-30%) continuously.
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4405[23:11:41] <psychoticwarrior> nice
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4407[23:11:58] <sim590> version 10.0-1
4408[23:12:32] <sim590> Anyone else? I'm looking at the bugs, but nobody reported that. I have seen this a couple of times yet and no bug reports still.
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4411[23:12:55] <psychoticwarrior> im running pulseaudio 10.0
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4415[23:13:57] <sim590> if I kill pulseaudio, it starts back and it's using 8% CPU as normal.
4416[23:14:03] <sim590> It has been doing that from time to time.
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4426[23:17:24] <tomg2> pulseaudio is appallingly buggy, try ALSA
4427[23:17:40] <tomg2> or just about anything else ;) it's the only thing I have to offer
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4429[23:18:05] <jpw> ,v pulseaudio
4430[23:18:06] <judd> Package: pulseaudio on amd64 -- wheezy: 2.0-6.1; wheezy-backports: 4.0-6~bpo7+1; jessie: 5.0-13; jessie-backports: 7.1-2~bpo8+1; sid: 10.0-1; stretch: 10.0-1
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4437[23:20:46] <jpw> would you consider 8% normal?
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4446[23:24:22] <sim590> jpw: I think it is normal than 20-30%.
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4448[23:24:28] <sim590> more*
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4450[23:25:50] <psychoticwarrior> does anybody like junkie sluts
4451[23:26:03] <sim590> If I stop my music, then it goes down to 6, so.. I guess it's reasonable.
4452[23:26:10] <psychoticwarrior> yup
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4455[23:27:33] <tomg2> sim590: it's not reasonable, I'm afraid
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4457[23:27:45] <tomg2> playing zero music should result in 0 cpu usage
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4459[23:28:16] <tomg2> you can try remedying pulseaudio somehow, or just don't use it. it's not good for much actually
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4461[23:28:30] <psychoticwarrior> get a sub and speakers
4462[23:28:35] <psychoticwarrior> that should be good
4463[23:28:37] <tomg2> a sound server or daemon isn't necessary anyway
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4468[23:30:37] <sim590> tomg2: it's good if you like to share your audio between multiple latpop you use with synergy setup so that you can take advantage of all laptops in a sain manner.
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4470[23:31:22] <sim590> I'm not sayin I'm doing that right now, therefore it cannot explain the CPU usage in any way.
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4472[23:32:46] <psychoticwarrior> don't really need synergy
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4476[23:35:16] <teraflops> im idling at 0/1% CPU and I'm using pulseaudio...
4477[23:35:25] <teraflops> and mpd
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4480[23:36:37] <sim590> psychoticwarrior: I don,t like moving my hands. That's why I use synergy, awesomeWM, vim, qutebrowser, etc.
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4483[23:38:12] <psychoticwarrior> nice
4484[23:38:21] <sim590> wow. replaced-url
4485[23:38:27] <sim590> it's nice value is -11!!!
4486[23:38:31] <sim590> Is it considered okay?
4487[23:39:10] <psychoticwarrior> pulseaudio is alright
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4493[23:40:49] <tomg2> sim590: I can only recommend looking for some other software that lets you share audio between laptops
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4498[23:41:39] <tomg2> i wonder how a user-owned process gets a nice of -11 without suid anyway. please don't say consolekit/policykit/dbus/systemd
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4508[23:44:39] <sim590> I do use systemd.
4509[23:45:11] <sim590> replaced-url
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4511[23:45:14] <psychoticwarrior> what is the purpose of udev seems like it creates a bug and hangs there
4512[23:45:17] <psychoticwarrior> so idisabled it
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4514[23:45:30] <psychoticwarrior> i disabled it
4515[23:45:42] <phogg> psychoticwarrior: as long as you don't add or remove devices you can get away with that... probably
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4517[23:45:52] <psychoticwarrior> ok cool
4518[23:45:52] <phogg> some things won't work
4519[23:46:00] <psychoticwarrior> cause i disabled it and my system works fine
4520[23:46:15] <phogg> psychoticwarrior: udev should not be causing any problems, so if you have some you should address the root cause
4521[23:46:23] <psychoticwarrior> ok
4522[23:46:30] <psychoticwarrior> it just says there is a start job created
4523[23:46:40] <psychoticwarrior> just hangs there for hours but i fixed it
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4527[23:47:16] <thoreau> Hello.
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4529[23:47:27] <psychoticwarrior> that was the worst thing ive encountered running kali
4530[23:47:37] <thoreau> I'm getting trown out of my user session.
4531[23:47:41] <phogg> psychoticwarrior: this isn't a channel for kali support
4532[23:47:51] <thoreau> The screen goes dark, and I'm at the login screen.
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4535[23:48:11] <psychoticwarrior> whats the kali linux channel
4536[23:48:43] <phogg> psychoticwarrior: no idea, ask google or try #kali (just guessing)
4537[23:48:49] <thoreau> I reported this problem here before. I was then recommended that I switch from my current x11 session to a Wayland session.
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4539[23:49:16] <phogg> thoreau: I don't know why that would help.
4540[23:50:01] <dax> #kali-linux
4541[23:50:03] <thoreau> Me neighter, but it seemed to work, at least for the kind of work that I was doing, it didn't crash anymore.
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4543[23:50:51] <thoreau> But Wayland doesn't recognize my Wacom tablet, so in order to do some graphic designy work, I reverted to x11
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4545[23:51:27] <thoreau> Another solution that was suggested is to unistall the intel xorg driver in order to enable modesetting.
4546[23:51:56] <thoreau> I did it, and it didn't affect my performance in the least, but the problem persisted.
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