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• 15[00:10:02] <schneider> hi
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• 19[00:11:08] <schneider> When I've installed debian 8, by mistake i've partitioned with only 10GB to / and 115 to /home
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• 21[00:11:31] <schneider> now I have no space left on the system
• 22[00:11:32] <schneider> bash: cannot create temp file for here-document: No space left on device
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• 24[00:12:05] <schneider> can I partition "on the fly" my ssd and to give more memory to the root directory?
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• 27[00:14:09] <Shadow_7> You could probably shrink /home/ and put some other /xxx/ thing on it's own partition.
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• 31[00:15:05] <Shadow_7> like girthy /usr/share/doc/
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• 34[00:16:46] <schneider> my /var/tmp/kdecache-schneider is like 0.8GB in size, can I delete it?
• 35[00:17:02] <schneider> or its something related to window manager?
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• 38[00:18:15] <schneider> or its most like a desktop environment, sorry I'me on debian for a few days and still I'm not familiar with it
• 39[00:19:57] <missmbob> schneider: so reinstall if it's a new one. you could've already reinstalled with the time you've been in here
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• 41[00:21:33] <schneider> missmbob, I'm on it for a few days and it's not new already, there are a lot of configuration stuff I did, I don't want to configure it again
• 42[00:23:38] <coruja> take a live iso and change partition sizes to fit your needs (backup of data to be on the safe side)
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• 48[00:24:52] <coruja> btw wondering how one fills 10 gb with an almost fresh install
• 49[00:25:33] <Shadow_7> coruja: install a few games. or a few users that use browsers with cache
• 50[00:26:01] <missmbob> i'd hope games to be in ~/
• 51[00:26:01] <schneider> that was the default value on install, my bad for not changing it
• 52[00:26:11] <Shadow_7> I have 11GB of cache on my install and that's just 1 game
• 53[00:26:27] <missmbob> schneider: anyway try this replaced-url
• 54[00:26:33] <coruja> i see
• 55[00:26:35] <Shadow_7> Could also be a lot of -doc packages.
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• 59[00:28:39] <coruja> heavily used install here for a couple of months - 4.8 gb (excluding home), so just wondering
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• 96[00:44:27] <Shadow_7> coruja: I'm normally 2GB when I have a wm, browser, and the usuals. But get build-essential, devscripts, kernel-package, and you're 4gb easy
• 97[00:45:37] <Shadow_7> screen capture for ten minutes and 10gb
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• 100[00:46:13] <cq1> Hey folks. I'm trying to install ocaml 4.02, in order to build Coq from source. Does anyone here know how I can upgrade from 4.01, which is in the repos?
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• 105[00:49:24] <SuperTramp83> coruja, 3.5 gb here, What do I win? :P
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• 107[00:50:36] <coruja> extra 1.3 gb of storage i guess ;)
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• 109[00:52:17] <SuperTramp83> hehe, good answer. Bleachbit might help in freeing space, schneider
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• 111[00:52:43] <SuperTramp83> like a cloth or something :)
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• 157[01:20:29] <drupi> I installed debian minimal. I would connect without problem to wirless during install and also from debian live. rebooting in the new system I have server trouble connection with wpa_supplicant, getting "reason 2" errors. Very sure that my passphrase is correct. Noticed, wpa_supplicant is version 2.3 ... isn' tthat quite old?
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• 160[01:22:10] <somiaj> drupi: did you install the non-free firmware needed for your wifi card (if needed)?
• 161[01:22:34] <drupi> somiaj: this is ath9 shouldn't need firmware
• 162[01:22:35] <somiaj> oh seems firmware might be there, and the older version shoudln't matter. Sounds like a configuration issue.
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• 164[01:22:56] <somiaj> you can use iwconfig/iw to manually configure the wireless part
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• 172[01:28:49] <Shadow_7> drupi: wpa_password EDDID PASSWORD > wpa.conf ? that's how you generate the -cwpa.conf part
• 173[01:29:10] <drupi> Shadow_7: I tried that, right
• 174[01:29:30] <Shadow_7> drupi: anything odd like dhcpcd installed?
• 175[01:29:30] <drupi> I tried to run wpa_supplicant manually with conf
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• 178[01:30:34] <Shadow_7> drupi: it has to be NOT running when you do. $ pgrep wpa_supplicant
• 179[01:31:10] <drupi> Shadow_7: I stopped the service but I will check again
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• 186[01:36:29] <drupi> basically the problem looks like this replaced-url
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• 190[01:40:24] <Shadow_7> drupi: any missing firmware? dmesg
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• 193[01:40:51] <Shadow_7> drupi: otherwise could be case sensitivity for ESSID or PaSsWoRd
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• 195[01:45:02] <Shadow_7> drupi: in the old days wifi drivers were quirky. You sometimes had to set parameters twice to get any traction. iwconfig
• 196[01:47:09] <somiaj> you can just use the interfaces file with wpa-pass and wpa-essid I think (have to double check on those) and it will wrap all the calls to wpasuplicant
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• 221[01:57:42] <monsterco> hi eveyone - I just attached an external usb; how can I find it and mount it?
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• 224[01:58:17] <Shadow_7> monsterco: cat /proc/partitions
• 225[01:58:26] <Shadow_7> or dmesg
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• 231[01:59:07] <monsterco> Shadow_7 - how do I know which one is already mounted?
• 232[01:59:09] <monsterco> 8 16 976729816 sdb
• 233[01:59:09] <monsterco> 8 17 1007 sdb1
• 234[01:59:09] <monsterco> 8 18 130048 sdb2
• 235[01:59:09] <monsterco> 8 19 976598727 sdb3
• 236[01:59:09] <monsterco> 8 0 1953514583 sda
• 237[01:59:09] <monsterco> 8 1 1953511424 sda1
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• 239[01:59:26] <Wzup> Hey guys. I'm trying to start a vm directly from terminal with the command virsh but I can't find the vm I have created. How do I "add it"? If I do the command "virsh list --all" there is no VM there.
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• 249[02:04:30] <somiaj> Wzup: there is a difference between the users vms and the systems vms
• 250[02:04:52] <somiaj> VoidFox: look at the -c option in the virsh manpage, or virsh -c qemu:///system list --all
• 251[02:05:01] <somiaj> VoidFox: sorry, that was for Wzup
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• 256[02:07:19] <monsterco> I am back; got kicked for flooding :)
• 257[02:07:36] <somiaj> use paste.debian.net in the future
• 258[02:07:45] <somiaj> also the mount command should say what is mounted where
• 259[02:07:54] <monsterco> Shadow_7 - that worked - but how can I mount a specific directory of the external hdd? mount /dev/sda1/path/file?
• 260[02:08:19] <icez> you mount the drive, not a directory on it
• 261[02:08:22] <monsterco> I have already mounted but seems it's not the right path. How can I unmount it?
• 262[02:08:33] <monsterco> hmm....
• 263[02:08:39] <Wzup> somiaj: I tried virsh -c connect "path to vm file" but I get the result: Failed to connect to the hypervisor. No connection driver avaliable
• 264[02:08:51] <icez> mount to see what's mounted, umount /dev/xxx to unmount it
• 265[02:08:58] <Wzup> Is it wrong with the vm or the host?
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• 268[02:09:11] <monsterco> icez - there is a specific file on the external HDD that should show at like /usr/myfolder/myfile.ext
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• 270[02:09:19] <somiaj> monsterco: you will mount the whole file system, not just a small directry inside of it. Once the whole file system is mounted you can use links or mount --bind to mount just a sub file tree elsewhere
• 271[02:09:36] <somiaj> Wzup: did you try the command I typed, virsh -c qemu:///system list --all
• 272[02:09:55] <somiaj> Wzup: is libvirtd running?
• 273[02:10:00] <monsterco> with umont, I am getting: umount: /mnt/2/pve-external/images: target is busy
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• 275[02:10:09] <icez> monsterco: it would be at /mnt/XXX/usr/myfolder/myfile.ext where /mnt/XXX is where it's mounted
• 276[02:10:31] <somiaj> monsterco: you can't unmount a file system in which there is an open file in it, or someone is just inside the directory with say cd
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• 278[02:10:47] <somiaj> monsterco: you can use lsof to find out what files are open inside though
• 279[02:11:20] <monsterco> somiaj - this just got attached to proxmox so it's a bit tricky now i think
• 280[02:11:22] <Wzup> somiaj: yes I tried that and there is nothing there.
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• 282[02:11:36] <monsterco> how can I have proxmox lay off the disk so I can un-mount it?
• 283[02:11:47] <missmbob> !proxmox
• 284[02:11:47] <dpkg> Proxmox Virtual Environment (Proxmox VE) is a GNU/Linux distribution <based on Debian>, providing a virtualization platform with <LXC> and <KVM>. It is not supported in #debian. There's an unofficial proxmox channel on Freenode. For official venues, see ##replaced-url
• 285[02:12:11] <somiaj> Wzup: hmm, how did you install the vm?
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• 287[02:12:27] <rjsalts> If I have configured eth0 in /etc/network/interfaces, but I want NetworkManager for VPN connections I have to set [ifupdown]managed=true, however network manager is being crap as per usual and the default behaviour is [ipv6]addr-gen-mode=stable-privacy
• 288[02:12:39] <Wzup> I downloaded it as a xz file and extracted it, it's a qcow now
• 289[02:12:50] <somiaj> rjsalts: remove eth0 from the interfaces file if you want to control it with network manager.
• 290[02:13:00] <rjsalts> Is there any way to have an ifupdown interface managed by NetworkManager, but change the settings to addr-gen-mode=eui64
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• 292[02:13:18] <rjsalts> somiaj: I have stuff nm isn't capable of in /etc/network/interfaces
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• 294[02:13:23] <somiaj> rjsalts: you can use post-up scripts.
• 295[02:13:29] <monsterco> when doing " cat /proc/partitions" <<<< how can I know which HDDs are already mounted or not?
• 296[02:13:37] <rjsalts> somiaj: in dispatcher.d?
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• 298[02:14:09] <Wzup> somiaj: I have done the same installation on desktop enviroment. Now I do it with base system only. There must be something missing.
• 299[02:14:27] <rjsalts> somiaj: I'd prefer no managing eth0 via nm, but then VPN connections say that there is no interface available
• 300[02:14:35] <Shadow_7> monsterco: you can mount the entire device and sub-mount the path to a place.
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• 302[02:15:12] <Shadow_7> monsterco: mount (with no parms) lists all the active mounts
• 303[02:15:18] <somiaj> rjsalts: there are other tools to manage vpns outside of network manager. Maybe look into those.
• 304[02:15:34] <Shadow_7> monsterco: otherwise df, or other things to show free space. doesn't work on not mounted things
• 305[02:16:29] <rjsalts> somiaj: I realize, however the UI for nm is better than most of them
• 306[02:16:54] <Shadow_7> nm and others don't work if your driver is flaky, but semi-functional
• 307[02:17:10] <Shadow_7> That's when CLI mode shines
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• 312[02:18:35] <monsterco> Shawdow_7 - I see this: /dev/sda1 on /mnt/2/pve-external/images type ext4 (rw,relatime,data=ordered)
• 313[02:18:47] <somiaj> rjsalts: well then make a choice of which system to use to manage your network. I don't know of anyway you can link the two.
• 314[02:19:02] <monsterco> Shadow_7 - umount still shows busy - hmmm....any way I can force umount this?
• 315[02:19:08] <monsterco> or not a good idea
• 316[02:19:09] <monsterco> ?
• 317[02:19:12] <somiaj> rjsalts: but I personally had no issue using openconnect to connect to the vpn I use.
• 318[02:19:25] <Shadow_7> monsterco: if you mount something under a mount, you have to go in reverse order
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• 320[02:19:37] <Shadow_7> monsterco: lsof... can help ID culprits
• 321[02:20:18] <monsterco> cool - I will lookup lsof
• 322[02:20:24] <monsterco> just to show you this is what happened now:
• 323[02:20:25] <Shadow_7> monsterco: otherwise reboot is the simple answer
• 324[02:20:41] <Shadow_7> monsterco: fuser, lsof, others... really just informational things
• 325[02:20:58] <Shadow_7> doesn't solve issues, just let you better understand them
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• 327[02:21:15] <monsterco> root@pve1:/mnt/2/pve-external/images/pve-external/images/20211# <<<<< while it should just be: root@pve1:/mnt/2/pve-external/images/20211
• 328[02:21:31] <Shadow_7> monsterco: most times it wont umount because you're "IN" the place you're trying to umount
• 329[02:21:39] <somiaj> Wzup: I'm unsure what is missing then, but you seem to have no vms assoicated with the system or user pool, if libvirtd is running and your user is in the correct groups, you may just need to tell libvirt the info about the vm image.
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• 331[02:22:13] <Shadow_7> monsterco: aka cd /mnt && umount /mnt/... ... ...
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• 334[02:23:03] <monsterco> Shadow_7 - bam!!! u were correct
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• 339[02:25:06] <monsterco> Shadow_7 - so now I am back to the begining. How should I mount this so it doesn't show the repeat again - or must or remove the directories?
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• 341[02:25:49] <monsterco> last time I did a " mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/2/pve-external/images"
• 342[02:26:01] <monsterco> I guess I have to just do "mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/2"
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• 346[02:27:10] <monsterco> Shadow_7 - bingo! thanks
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• 375[02:40:32] <Wzup> somiaj: I think you are right. I forgot to specify some stuff in the beginning. I will re-make everything from beginning.
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• 396[02:50:30] <ghostman> /msg NickServ REGISTER 670SlirC atkinsm1212@gmail.com
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• 398[02:50:57] <bazhang> no space there ghostman
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• 416[03:03:56] <AvatarA> pretty bad password, I hope it's only for IRC at least :(
• 417[03:05:16] <OerHeks> It is not a password :-D
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• 420[03:06:10] <OerHeks> oh it is, i thought it was his username, nevermind
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• 423[03:07:34] <userro> what is it?
• 424[03:07:43] <userro> can anyone repost it?
• 425[03:08:08] <userro> put that in the channel's topic :p
• 426[03:08:14] <abrotman> Move on ...
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• 429[03:08:57] <wgrm> Ah, ubuntus irc redirects to freenode. Best server for Linux. :)
• 430[03:09:04] <bschool> Made a user so that I can talk here. Yay forcing good security practices by restricting communications.
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• 432[03:09:21] <abrotman> wgrm: Please stop that, it's annoying
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• 437[03:10:44] <wgrm> If i want ppl to talk to see what going on, i must mention my thoughts.
• 438[03:11:00] <abrotman> wgrm: This is a Debian support channel. Do you need help with Debian?
• 439[03:11:30] <Wzup> So, I installed debian with only base system from beginning, and now I've added alot of new packages.. is there any fast command to just wipe everything out and go back to base system again?
• 440[03:11:45] <wgrm> I actually am able to solve my problems mostly myself, that what i call migration.
• 441[03:12:06] <abrotman> wgrm: Are you looking for a social channel for general chatting?
• 442[03:12:14] <wgrm> Also
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• 446[03:13:13] <wgrm> Wzup, there is an filter for manually installed packages, but it won't come near your request.
• 447[03:13:35] <abrotman> Wzup: you can remove the packages that are not "essential" or "important", etc .. you can search by priority to see what is installed
• 448[03:14:07] <somiaj> Wzup: you can tell aptitude to remove packages based on critera, just keep the standard, improtenat, essential and required ones...as abrotman said
• 449[03:14:24] <Shadow_7> you could do a debootstrap install and a dpkg -l in the chroot for the base system... less kernel... less firmware... less... ... ...
• 450[03:14:25] <wgrm> I'm more likely to enrichen my xperience. So im interisted in techtalk about linux. Thats why i mentioned freenode as being perfect for this ntention.
• 451[03:14:25] <somiaj> basically you want to keep these packages
• 452[03:14:27] <somiaj> !standard
• 453[03:14:27] <dpkg> [standard task] a "task" that should be installed on all machines during the installer stage. It installs packages that are important, required and standard (i.e. "aptitude install ~pstandard ~prequired ~pimportant"). Packages in the <essential> set are always installed. Also ask me about <tasksel>.
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• 458[03:15:23] <userro> !help
• 459[03:15:41] <abrotman> userro: msg the bot please
• 460[03:15:54] <userro> ok
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• 462[03:16:12] <userro> I just wanted to see all commands
• 463[03:16:26] <abrotman> userro: Right, msg the bot .. try not to spam the channel
• 464[03:16:36] <userro> ok
• 465[03:17:08] <Wzup> 100% sure I onetime did this with just a command, not a single one but it was some form of combination. Ill have a look at aptitude. thx.
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• 468[03:19:27] <somiaj> Wzup: just use ~poptional~i will list all installed packages that are classified as optional. Removing those should revert to a minmial system.
• 469[03:19:42] <abrotman> or sometihng close to it anyway
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• 476[03:22:06] <wgrm> Well, i actually am working on some problem. Synaptic has this bug, that properties of filters can't be set to "contains". I saw this bug filed on an ubuntu site.
• 477[03:22:30] <wgrm> So i'm editing the conf in my home and i'd like to search for backport packages.
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• 479[03:22:51] <wgrm> But there seems no property.
• 480[03:22:57] <abrotman> wgrm: For Ubuntu?
• 481[03:22:59] <wgrm> seems to be
• 482[03:23:04] <wgrm> No, Debian.
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• 485[03:24:05] <wgrm> I can serach for example: Depends; "libcanberra"; false; but i'd need to find a way to get backports listed.
• 486[03:24:38] <wgrm> file "filters" in HOME/.synaptic
• 487[03:26:07] <wgrm> apropos techtalk, what is this hostname "gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/kafei"? Is it a kind of internal gateway of the server? :)
• 488[03:26:27] <abrotman> unrelated to Debian, try to stay on topic
• 489[03:26:34] <wgrm> k
• 490[03:27:00] <wgrm> Any general techtalk channel on this server?
• 491[03:27:10] <Shadow_7> wgrm: ##linux
• 492[03:27:17] <wgrm> thx
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• 517[03:40:35] <Shadow_7> Is stretch going back to ffmpeg? or still avconv?
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• 519[03:43:56] <wgrm> .
• 520[03:44:20] <wgrm> Any idea why i cant write to ##linux? It doesn't seem to be moderated.
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• 523[03:45:32] <missmbob> wgrm: register your nick
• 524[03:45:48] <wgrm> Of, the mail...
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• 526[03:46:49] <wgrm> ... well, forget the verification mail. I'm tired. Thx.
• 527[03:47:48] <Shadow_7> you have to be registered to talk in there
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• 535[03:52:02] <wgrm> I'm not used to efnet-style server, i used to be on irc.net a long time ago. But got it managed.
• 536[03:52:32] <missmbob> wgrm: please stop just chatting
• 537[03:53:00] <wgrm> I will, i just answered to be polite.
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• 557[04:03:30] <memeka> hi, gdm3 and gnome-shell wayland are not starting anymore with the error (EE) failed to read Wayland events: Connection reset by peer after upgrading mutter&co from 3.21 to 3.22.2 .... any ideas where to look?
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• 561[04:03:57] <somiaj> memeka: please don't cross post
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• 563[04:04:21] <memeka> sorry i don;t know what's the appropriate channel
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• 565[04:05:03] <somiaj> either works, but only use one. Anyways this is with stretch? #debian-next on irc.oftc.net would be the prefered, but as stretch stablizes #debian on either networks is fine.
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• 568[04:05:17] <somiaj> I don't know the answer except check the logs, dmesg, make sure correct video drivers are being loaded
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• 572[04:06:16] <memeka> somiaj: the drivers are ok, i can start mutter from command line (to a blank desktop) but not gnome-shell (or gdm3)
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• 574[04:07:15] <somiaj> and this is on stretch?
• 575[04:07:41] <memeka> yes
• 576[04:07:55] <somiaj> what packages were upgraded since it last worked?
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• 579[04:08:48] <memeka> something similar to what people complained on 3.22.2-1 replaced-url
• 580[04:08:49] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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• 582[04:10:17] <memeka> somiaj btw, only difference from others i guess is that i have libwebkit2gtk on hold to an older version - should this impact gnome-shell?
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• 584[04:10:39] <somiaj> I'm unsure as I don't use gnome or waylend. Just giving advise on things to look at
• 585[04:10:52] <memeka> (3.21 was working with older libwebkit2gtk)
• 586[04:11:11] <somiaj> ,v mutter
• 587[04:11:12] <judd> Package: mutter on amd64 -- wheezy: 3.4.1-5; jessie: 3.14.4-1~deb8u1; stretch: 3.22.2-3; sid: 3.22.3-1
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• 590[04:12:05] <somiaj> you can downgrade using snapshot.debian.org or older version in /var/cache/apt/archives to see if that is indeed the problem, If so it might be another issue with this.
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• 592[04:13:55] <lhx> Question: Can anyone point me to how motd works in debian jessie? Google has been worthless... nothign explains what to do with /var/run/motd.dynamic
• 593[04:14:08] <lhx> and the man pages haven't helped
• 594[04:14:45] <memeka> somiaj: replaced-url
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• 597[04:15:08] <memeka> i'll try snapshot to id whatever broke it, thx
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• 599[04:15:26] <somiaj> lhx: I think you can just edit the /etc/motd file
• 600[04:15:55] <memeka> somiaj: replaced-url
• 601[04:16:13] <lhx> somiaj: so just write a script that overwrites /etc/motd
• 602[04:16:38] <somiaj> lhx: one way, I was trying to find a way to control this, I see the package sysnews
• 603[04:17:43] <somiaj> memeka: I don't know waylend/mutter so can't be of much help. But if the older package works with everything up to date and the newer package doesn't, that sounds like a bug and should be reported
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• 606[04:18:28] <memeka> thx i;ll try snapshots of different packages which might have affected it -- i did a v big update recently so not sure that broke it exactly
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• 609[04:20:34] <wgrm> I'm still using lightdm because gdm3 didn't start anymore on my site, also. I read that this was a bug. Didn't check if this is still present.
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• 653[04:52:25] <Jonno_FTW> should I upgrade from wheezy to main?
• 654[04:52:40] <dvs> main?
• 655[04:52:46] <Jonno_FTW> i mean stretch
• 656[04:53:06] <dvs> I wouldn't until it's released.
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• 658[04:53:20] <Jonno_FTW> what should I be on? this is for a webserver
• 659[04:53:27] <Jonno_FTW> my php is way behind
• 660[04:53:36] <dvs> ,v php
• 661[04:53:38] <judd> Package: php on amd64 -- sid: 1:7.0+49; stretch: 1:7.0+49
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• 663[04:54:46] <dvs> Jonno_FTW, if it's for personal use, then i might upgrade to stretch but if it's for work, I wouldn't.
• 664[04:54:58] <Jonno_FTW> I got two sites running on it
• 665[04:55:16] <dvs> Then I wouldn't
• 666[04:55:23] <Jonno_FTW> alright
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• 673[04:57:59] <budder> can someone please link me to a debian installer with the non-free packages pre-installed? the ones from here: replaced-url
• 674[04:58:23] <dvs> what do you need?
• 675[04:58:56] <budder> the two missing packages, one of them is wifi, one of them is realtek?
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• 677[04:59:54] <dvs> budder, it comes with firmware-realtek
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• 680[05:00:44] <budder> dvs: it is missing two packages
• 681[05:00:50] <budder> one of them is for wiki
• 682[05:00:53] <budder> wifi*
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• 685[05:02:35] <dvs> budder, the best you can hope for is: replaced-url
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• 694[05:06:24] <budder> dvs thnx
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• 723[05:26:45] <Atm0spher1c> how do I configure a boot partition when trying to install from chroot?
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• 725[05:27:21] <tomg> dpkg-reconfigure grub2 maybe
• 726[05:28:11] <Atm0spher1c> i have two boot partitions because I'm dual booting from within lvm
• 727[05:28:28] <Atm0spher1c> oh maybe i need to configure fstab first, then dpkg-reconfigure grub2
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• 740[05:38:08] <mrtrump> why is everything so slow?
• 741[05:38:14] <mrtrump> I have 6 cpu
• 742[05:38:15] <mrtrump> 16 g ram
• 743[05:38:19] <mrtrump> and 20 youtubes open
• 744[05:38:23] <mrtrump> why eveything slow
• 745[05:38:26] <mrtrump> fireofx death
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• 747[05:39:35] <dvs> I think opening 20 instances of any browser will slow down the compute.r
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• 750[05:41:04] <penrod> greetings, fresh install of Debian jessie, has 2 identical nics, and only sees 1. lspci shows 2 cards, the 2nd listed
• 751[05:41:26] <penrod> is Non-VGA unclassified device: Intel Corporation 82541PI Gigabit Ethernet Controller (rev 05)
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• 753[05:44:11] <mrtrump> why debian over freebsd? aside from smalltalk?
• 754[05:44:26] <mrtrump> why is docker all I hear about?
• 755[05:44:41] <mrtrump> are crony software java goofs using docker to ignore linux and use it as a hardware drier?
• 756[05:44:47] <mrtrump> ever if its 10x a scomplex
• 757[05:44:47] <missmbob> !chat
• 758[05:44:47] <dpkg> This is not a chat channel, this is a Debian user support channel. Unless you have a Debian support question, please chat elsewhere, like #moocows on irc.oftc.net or ##chat on irc.freenode.net.
• 759[05:44:52] <mrtrump> as just using linux withotu virtual crapola
• 760[05:44:53] <mrtrump> ?
• 761[05:44:54] <missmbob> !ot
• 762[05:44:55] <dpkg> #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day.
• 763[05:45:19] <mrtrump> I thought debian use cases were very on topic....
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• 768[05:49:40] <Lewoco> I accidentally uninstalled network manager and now I'm unable to connect to the internet
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• 771[05:50:18] <Lewoco> Is there some way I can manually configure my networking using ifconfig instead?
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• 773[05:50:36] <missmbob> Lewoco: wifi ?
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• 776[05:51:33] <Lewoco> Missmbob: how can I connect using Wi-Fi if I don't have network manager?
• 777[05:51:42] <missmbob> Lewoco: replaced-url
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• 780[05:52:06] <missmbob> Lewoco: follow that carefully
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• 848[06:49:37] <lindylex> I have a Debian headless desktop with a wireless card. When I leave it on for some time it looses connection to my router. Where do I start with fixing this?
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• 858[06:54:20] <nkuttler> lindylex: how do you know only the connection was lost?
• 859[06:54:42] <lindylex> The computer is still on playing music.
• 860[06:55:10] <nkuttler> lindylex: easiest would be to connect a cable and check your logs
• 861[06:55:31] <lindylex> Which logs and what I am searching for?
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• 863[06:56:14] <nkuttler> syslog probably, and also try to restart the connection by hand
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• 875[07:01:37] <lindylex> nkuttler: This is what syslog looks like replaced-url
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• 902[07:11:13] <nkuttler> lindylex: it seems like your box is fine, but the dhcpd is not
• 903[07:11:20] <nkuttler> or, it's not responding
• 904[07:11:50] <lindylex> How did you figure this out and how do I fix it?
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• 906[07:13:31] <darxmurf> hi aéé
• 907[07:13:32] <darxmurf> all
• 908[07:13:52] <Wzup> I'm running debian inside a vm and trying to enable virtualization inside the vm but I have no idea how. If I type modprobe kvm-amd the response is "could not insert kvm_amd" operation is not supported. Anyone have any idea how to fix this? Virtualization is enabled in BIOS on my phsyical PC and that command works on my host. help?
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• 912[07:17:00] <tomg2> is virtualisation inside virtualisation really done all that often?
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• 945[07:36:18] <oiaohm> Wzup: if you virtual machine does not support hypervisor inside it not going to work.
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• 948[07:37:34] <oiaohm> tomg2: replaced-url
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• 950[07:38:03] <tomg2> thank you
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• 953[07:38:33] <nkuttler> lindylex: well, you dhcp client makes requests but nothing in return, suggesting your interface and the service are fine
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• 955[07:39:28] <lindylex> Ok but I have no idea why it would not be online.
• 956[07:39:37] <Wzup> oiaohm: Ill try this
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• 970[07:52:05] <guest4543> Does "chromium-widevine" package support netflix, and does it need to be enabled after installing?
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• 973[07:54:00] <Wzup> oiaohm: How do I know if my vm support hypervisor? im using qemu-kvm. I can copy my host cpu with it so should be able to? "run sudo dnf group install virtualization" this does not work. output is dnf not found
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• 985[08:03:16] <camh> I just started using startx instead of a display manager and have noticed the GUI process tree have a tty of the VC on which startx was run.
• 986[08:03:36] <camh> this means ssh invoked from the GUI thinks it has a terminal and tries to prompt for a password
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• 988[08:04:04] <camh> but this puts the process into a T state (terminal stopped). I think startx should do a setsid somewhere. any ideas?
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• 998[08:09:27] <moetunes> systemd messes with that
• 999[08:09:41] <camh> moetunes: I am learning that: replaced-url
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• 1006[08:11:37] <moetunes> there are better inits
• 1007[08:11:44] <camh> looks like Lennart was quite happy to break startx. The solution: use a display manager
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• 1009[08:12:17] <camh> console kit does not support spawning a session from an existing session (which a tty login is)
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• 1011[08:12:51] <camh> I don't know how bound to the session the tty is. If I put a setsid in the startup somewhere, I wonder if it will break console-kit
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• 1022[08:19:19] <Ove_> It seems to page fault
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• 1033[08:22:31] <tomg2> systemd breaks startx? why on this green earth are you using this program even more than once?
• 1034[08:22:50] <tomg2> I'm referring to systemd. and no, I am not a troll, and am not trolling to my knowledge
• 1035[08:23:24] <camh> tomg2: technically it doesn't break startx, but behaviour changes unfavourably for me
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• 1038[08:24:43] <tomg2> if the behaviour changes I think that's the same as breaking it
• 1039[08:25:10] <tomg2> I like startx... and I intend to keep on using it, and I don't like it if it reports back that it's on tty12 when it's really pts/2
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• 1041[08:25:42] <camh> it's not really any tty at all - that's the problem. it thinks it has one
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• 1044[08:26:09] <camh> changing is not breaking. there's no progress without change
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• 1047[08:28:06] <tomg2> change can be good or bad, but good change doesn't break every single other program in the world like systemd is doing
• 1048[08:28:07] <n4dir> how do you invoke ssh from the GUI?
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• 1053[08:30:08] <n4dir> this way or that way i would probably simply use the display-manager again (assuming it is correct that systemd gives problems when using startx, whatever you consider to be called a "problem")
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• 1058[08:30:45] <tomg2> n3dir, any menu option could do that. it's most likely being used in an automated way
• 1059[08:31:03] <tomg2> if it's a problem for him then it's impossible to argue that it's not a problem
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• 1061[08:31:17] <tomg2> it's definitely a problem
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• 1064[08:31:37] <n4dir> i can't see the point to start a ssh session if not from a terminal-emulator.
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• 1066[08:31:44] <tomg2> this whole thing with systemd reminds me of an abusive relationship
• 1067[08:32:00] <tomg2> it's your fault I hurt you!
• 1068[08:32:08] <tomg2> n4dir, to be totally blunt nobody asked you
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• 1070[08:33:19] <n4dir> he said: "technically it doesn't break startx, but the behaviour changes unfavourably". If that is a problem for him or not is not my decision
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• 1075[08:34:15] <tomg2> unfavourable operation is the definition of a problem :)
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• 1077[08:35:08] <n4dir> then the most easy solution is to use a display-manager again
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• 1079[08:35:34] <tomg2> the logical answer to your question is: NO! he gets to use whatever software he wants
• 1080[08:35:40] <tomg2> and so do I
• 1081[08:35:43] <n4dir> the slightly less easy solution is to give up on systemd
• 1082[08:35:53] <camh> n4dir: I use fvwm. I have a menu option that does "ssh -t otherhost <guiprog>"
• 1083[08:35:54] <n4dir> tomg2: you mind if you let him answer and say what he thinks?
• 1084[08:36:07] <n4dir> camh: ah, i see
• 1085[08:36:09] <tomg2> n4dir, logical fallacies can be answered by anyone, so yes I do mind :)
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• 1087[08:36:19] <camh> I am not using a display manager at the moment because I am trying to debug an xorg intel driver crash
• 1088[08:36:22] <n4dir> *plonk*
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• 1090[08:36:28] <tomg2> wow, you suck
• 1091[08:36:48] <tomg2> i was perfectly nice
• 1092[08:37:16] <camh> systemd always brings out the best in people. let's just ignore that - I know people don't like it, but it's here to stay
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• 1095[08:37:36] <camh> technically it is console-kit that is the problem, not systemd anyway
• 1096[08:37:43] <n4dir> camh: in that case i would stick to startx, but don't start ssh from the menu but from a terminal emulator for the time being
• 1097[08:38:23] <camh> n4dir: I gave one example, but I have others. not using this will screw with my workflow quite a bit
• 1098[08:38:24] <n4dir> not speaking of solutions, only of quick workarounds. A bug report won't hurt, i guess
• 1099[08:38:34] <tomg2> same difference. anyway I'm using sysvinit on Debian for now and although I don't use GNOME everything seems to work
• 1100[08:38:51] <camh> I have a workaround in that I use "setsid" in judicious places, but I wanted to get a handle on what exactly broke
• 1101[08:38:54] <n4dir> camh: i see. i guess than i ran out of ideas (them being obvious anyway ...)
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• 1105[08:39:44] <camh> I was going to put a script in /etc/X11/Xsession.d that does STARTUP="setsid -w $STARTUP", but now I am wondering if that will break console-kit
• 1106[08:39:53] <n4dir> after i ran into problems with systemd on debian-based distros which try to get rid of systemd, i finally gave up on debian-based distros ...
• 1107[08:40:00] <n4dir> when using startx
• 1108[08:40:12] <tomg2> I heard console-kit was unmaintained, why is it in Debian anyway?
• 1109[08:40:18] <tomg2> and I thought systemd was replacing it
• 1110[08:41:00] <camh> anyway, back later. have to cook dinner
• 1111[08:41:12] <tomg2> take care
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• 1157[09:09:17] <nikitasius> hi folks! how to setup ssh passphrase in ssh command? i.e. `ssh -i mykey root@example.com` and passphrase?
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• 1159[09:10:14] <babilen> nikitasius: You can set a passphrase when you generate your key
• 1160[09:10:55] <joze> I would generate a passphrase less keypair for that purpose
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• 1165[09:11:40] <babilen> Which purpose?
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• 1170[09:12:44] <nikitasius> babilen: i mean, i would like to connect to my server usiing my keyfile (with passphrase already) without `typing passphrase`. I use ecryptfs storage with keys and i made some shell scripts in, but they are not asking me to type a passphrase, they are just stoping work.
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• 1172[09:13:27] <babilen> You can use ssh-key (SSH agent) to store your passphrase
• 1173[09:13:31] <n4dir> nikitasius: something like ssh-agent, though some of the DE's come with a comfortable solution for such.
• 1174[09:13:58] <n4dir> the DE solutions being perhaps frontends to ssh-agent, i sure don't know
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• 1176[09:14:09] <nikitasius> great! but in case if i store my keys in ecrypt folder and not in ssh-agent keys file?
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• 1178[09:14:55] <n4dir> decrypt the folder and point ssh-key add to whatever path you got
• 1179[09:15:01] <nikitasius> `#!/bin/sh ssh -i mykey root@example.com exit 0` and.. script just stop.. no passphrase asking
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• 1181[09:15:11] <n4dir> ssh-add , not ssh-key
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• 1184[09:15:34] <bezaban> I discovered sshpass to specify passWORD on command line, it might have something similar for passphrase.
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• 1186[09:15:50] <nikitasius> n4dir: but if i don't want to store my keys in id_rsa? if i store them in my folder.
• 1187[09:16:01] <n4dir> doesn't matter, give full path
• 1188[09:16:03] <bezaban> but think about the potential consequences and consider ssh-agent
• 1189[09:16:46] <n4dir> nikitasius: you will perhaps want to use ~/.ssh/config file, that will safe you from having to do long ssh commands
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• 1192[09:18:02] <nikitasius> n4dir: great... but in case if i want to use long ssh commands and store my keys 1 by 1 in ecryptfs folder? ssh-add just add key into storage in my home dir.
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• 1195[09:18:37] <nikitasius> question is: how to force `ssh` command from bin/sh script ask my passphrase?
• 1196[09:18:43] <n4dir> i don't know if it matters if the keys are not stored in ~/.ssh; never did it, but doubt it matters
• 1197[09:18:47] <nikitasius> posted earlier: `#!/bin/sh ssh -i mykey root@example.com exit 0` and.. script just stop.. no passphrase asking
• 1198[09:18:56] <babilen> It doesn't matter where your keys are stored
• 1199[09:19:03] <nikitasius> n4dir: hmmm?..
• 1200[09:19:25] <nikitasius> let me try...
• 1201[09:19:50] <n4dir> ssh -i /home/me/encrypted_folder/ssh_stuff/remote_server_rsa remote_server ; like that, i guess
• 1202[09:20:07] <babilen> You could easily configure that in ~/.ssh/config
• 1203[09:20:18] <babilen> Ah .. you mentioned that already
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• 1205[09:20:31] <babilen> "But I want my life to be complicated" :)
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• 1207[09:20:54] <nikitasius> babilen: life is beautiful, im on debian <3
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• 1209[09:22:58] <n4dir> nikitasius: that would be an example how i use ~/.ssh/config (but i can't say i that good with it, be warned): replaced-url
• 1210[09:23:35] <n4dir> perhaps babilen can have a quick look and confirm it doesn't look plain wrong :-)
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• 1216[09:25:28] <nikitasius> hmm.... plaint text in home folder...
• 1217[09:25:31] <nikitasius> *plain
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• 1219[09:26:04] <bezaban> that's not sensitive
• 1220[09:26:17] <nikitasius> but for folks who love long commands there is no `-param` for `ssh` where we can setup passphrase..?
• 1221[09:26:23] <babilen> n4dir: Sure, looks alright
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• 1223[09:26:57] * n4dir feels quite a bit of relief ...
• 1224[09:27:02] <n4dir> thanks.
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• 1229[09:27:54] <n4dir> nikitasius: the permissions of ~/.ssh are set to be very restrict
• 1230[09:28:12] <n4dir> besides that there ain't much info of *that much use to be found.
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• 1232[09:28:46] <n4dir> if it bugs you too much, encrypt the file and decrypt it before using ssh (that is: "make your life complicated")
• 1233[09:29:31] <n4dir> if you use your command, anyone with access to your account can look it as well up via shell history ...
• 1234[09:29:38] <nikitasius> n4dir: i use ecryptfs folder :)
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• 1241[09:32:20] <n4dir> i guess i don't know it (encfs, gpg , else cryptsetup)
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• 1243[09:32:53] <nikitasius> well.. i added keys in shh-add and now ssh not need passhprase anymore.. for me it looks creepy....
• 1244[09:33:10] <nikitasius> need to read how its protected, and how it stores info.
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• 1248[09:34:38] <n4dir> i would first of all consider who are the possible attackers you worry about (and what their options are)
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• 1250[09:35:11] <n4dir> my username is user, my user password is user. Now see how far you can get with that.
• 1251[09:36:10] <nikitasius> n4dir: as google tells me, `ssh-add mykey` stored in memory till reboot. Right?
• 1252[09:36:41] <n4dir> no idea, but per default it seems like that.
• 1253[09:36:50] <joze> someone may freeze your ram with nitrogen and steal the data
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• 1255[09:37:15] <nikitasius> joze: i know that:)
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• 1259[09:38:36] <n4dir> nikitasius: man ssh-add, ssh-add -t lifetime
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• 1261[09:39:06] <n4dir> doesn't make much sense to store a key for a short time only though, i think
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• 1263[09:39:23] <Shadow_7> it does for security
• 1264[09:39:36] <n4dir> uh? well: then don't store the key.
• 1265[09:39:45] <nikitasius> i'll check if bin/sh script will load my keys into ssh-add with asking passphrase
• 1266[09:39:50] <camh> tomg2, n4dir: setsid -w in an Xsession.d script fixes it with no obvious downsides: replaced-url
• 1267[09:39:58] <Shadow_7> having worked for companies that required you to re-login every 20 minutes and they felt that that was generous.
• 1268[09:40:59] <n4dir> log in and being logged out right away would even be more secure
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• 1270[09:41:27] <nikitasius> lol.. finally even if i made `#!/bin/bash ssh-add mykey exit 0` it doesn't ask password..
• 1271[09:41:36] <nikitasius> to be added....
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• 1273[09:41:53] <nikitasius> :-|
• 1274[09:42:03] <camh> Shadow_7: I've worked at a place where keys were valid for 19 hours. That gets you through a (long) workday, but you need to re-auth every day
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• 1278[09:42:53] <nikitasius> camh: you had automatization?
• 1279[09:43:04] <n4dir> nikitasius: didn't you already store the key a few minutes ago?
• 1280[09:43:17] <nikitasius> n4dir: manually yes.
• 1281[09:43:20] <camh> kiao2938: yes, lots
• 1282[09:43:53] <camh> nikitasius: ^^ that was for you
• 1283[09:43:54] <nikitasius> n4dir: i want to add ssh-add key1 ssh-add key2 in script and run it manually each system boot after opening my ecrypt folder
• 1284[09:44:22] <nikitasius> but it doesn't ask passphrase....
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• 1286[09:44:28] <nikitasius> when it in script
• 1287[09:44:37] <n4dir> nikitasius: look if something of that can be of use for you (for the case to check if the key already is stored). give me a sec for paste
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• 1289[09:44:53] <n4dir> replaced-url
• 1290[09:45:11] <n4dir> nikitasius: it doesn't ask, as the key is already stored (that is my assumption)
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• 1293[09:45:36] <nikitasius> n4dir: holy...
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• 1295[09:45:58] <n4dir> nikitasius: some start ssh-agent and add the key in the file ~/.profile (or ~/.bashrc)
• 1296[09:46:13] <n4dir> so it lasts for the session. there are templates out there.
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• 1298[09:47:05] <n4dir> nikitasius: you only want to look at the function ask_add and add_keys, and the very bottom of the script
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• 1302[09:48:17] <n4dir> if [ -z "$SSH_AUTH_LOCK ]; then eval $(ssh-agent -s); add_keys, fi.
• 1303[09:48:29] <n4dir> if the agent is not running, start it, add whatever keys you like to add
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• 1305[09:49:13] <n4dir> search the web, it has good and clear examples for that.
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• 1307[09:49:57] <n4dir> clear as mud?
• 1308[09:50:27] <sharp15> what are the current general hardware requirements for a debian-8/jessie kde-4 box? i have one with a 1-2GB of ram and its really slow to respond. not sure if something is wrong or if i need to change desktop environments.
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• 1311[09:51:02] <Shadow_7> sharp15: free ... a lighter weight wm might yield a more responsive system.
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• 1314[09:51:42] <n4dir> with only a Gig you will run into problems with any "modern" web-browser anyway
• 1315[09:51:52] <sharp15> Shadow_7: i'm assuming 'free' is the command.
• 1316[09:51:53] <jelly> sharp15: wouldn't go below 4GB if you plan to use a web browser
• 1317[09:52:13] <n4dir> jelly: i got 2 gigs, and that is fine.
• 1318[09:52:19] <sharp15> jelly: its an old laptop. does that include firefox?
• 1319[09:52:23] <jelly> yes
• 1320[09:52:30] <sharp15> ouch.
• 1321[09:52:31] <Shadow_7> A web browser and a media rich site, or more than one tab.
• 1322[09:52:42] <sharp15> ok. thanks.
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• 1325[09:53:00] * n4dir misses the time when 1 Gig was _the_ shit
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• 1327[09:53:34] <Shadow_7> Probably good to open google.com or most distro's homepage. But anything with ads, ...game over...
• 1328[09:54:06] <joze> change the user agent to a mobile phone :)
• 1329[09:54:14] <icez> unless you're fine with links
• 1330[09:54:18] <Shadow_7> I switched to my mom's desktop with 6GB ram and soo many issues went away. Even though it's still a dual core, and a slower one at that.
• 1331[09:54:21] <nikitasius> n4dir: got some ideas from file (im worst with shell and need to learn it well): `#!/bin/bash xfce4-terminal -e "ssh -i mykey root@example.com exit 0` and finally `.sh` file opening a terminal and asking passphrase <3
• 1332[09:54:50] <nikitasius> "ssh -i blabla" in quotes, last is missing.
• 1333[09:55:20] <sharp15> i'll have to look into a ram expansion. if toshiba will allow it.
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• 1335[09:55:42] <n4dir> nikitasius: that is what i meant, only for ideas.
• 1336[09:55:47] <nikitasius> :)
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• 1339[09:56:03] <n4dir> don't tell in #bash you use an sh extension ...
• 1340[09:56:05] <Shadow_7> If all you do is terminals, 1GB is still baller
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• 1345[09:56:42] <n4dir> i get easily away with a Gig or even less. It is only the web-browser which sucks (well: rather the web than the browser, i guess)
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• 1350[09:57:22] <sharp15> Shadow_7: i'm used to awesome-wm and a shell window. i'm fine but i'm not the one using this machine.
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• 1352[09:57:26] <n4dir> ROOT# ps_mem.py | grep -A 2 firefox
• 1353[09:57:26] <n4dir> 739.6 MiB + 16.1 MiB = 755.7 MiB firefox
• 1354[09:57:26] <n4dir> ---------------------------------
• 1355[09:57:26] <n4dir> 914.3 MiB
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• 1357[09:57:56] <Shadow_7> sharp15: jwm is usable and light. IceWM I used for a long time. Now I use cwm.
• 1358[09:58:12] <nikitasius> i had 4Gb ram with debian 8 and it was comfortable (except Java dev). with 8Gb im happy, but when you buy a memory, buy exactly the same (model number). I have 2 modules with same numbers (i.e. brand/model/freq/density 100% exact)
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• 1360[09:58:58] <sharp15> Shadow_7: i'll look. i was thinking LXDE or XFCE. but i'm not sure how either of them are doing.
• 1361[09:59:18] <nikitasius> sharp15: me personally love xfce...
• 1362[09:59:22] <sharp15> nikitasius: thanks for the tip.
• 1363[09:59:29] <nikitasius> but i was long time on gnome-classic
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• 1366[09:59:53] <nikitasius> till years ago ubuntu killed itself on update from 10 to 12. so no more ubuntu on laptops - debian only
• 1367[10:00:11] <Shadow_7> cwm basically lets you do all the usual window things with hotkeys. The only decorations is a 1px border on running things. So much space without a taskbar. dmenu_run if you need something akin to a menu.
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• 1369[10:01:34] <Shadow_7> nikitasius: yeah, the switch away from gnome pushed me back to debian. Plus ubuntu had gotten too bloated.
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• 1371[10:02:57] <nikitasius> my ram: replaced-url
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• 1373[10:03:14] <nikitasius> Shadow_7: they still had gnome on ubuntu, gnome-classic called
• 1374[10:03:42] <nikitasius> but i use debian on servers and.. finally i love it more that ubuntu.
• 1375[10:04:22] <Shadow_7> back then ubuntu made it difficult to use any wm/de that was the default. Things broke, like your ability to use usb-storage devices.
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• 1379[10:04:54] <Shadow_7> back when an 8GB stick cost $45+
• 1380[10:05:09] <nikitasius> `wm/de` ?
• 1381[10:05:20] <Shadow_7> window manager / desktop environmnet
• 1382[10:05:23] <nikitasius> ahh
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• 1385[10:05:48] <nikitasius> debian works great. even i plugged iphone 6 of my wife and debian got it :)
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• 1387[10:06:13] <Shadow_7> debian is great, you can switch wm's and nothing breaks (most of the time).
• 1388[10:06:13] <nikitasius> but i fucked with HD5500 and turned of wifi during installation :|
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• 1398[10:09:06] <nikitasius> thanks for tips with ssh-add and ssh-agent and great script for ideas. wanna stay more, but need to go to work :/
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• 1408[10:11:40] <n4dir> have fun.
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• 1420[10:14:38] <nikitasius> n4dir: thanks. need to prepare keepassx file for client. finally i tuned his server and, thanks holy nginx, how 1Gb database WP work fast now on smaller VPS.
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• 1426[10:15:29] <nikitasius> people sometimes install tonns of shit in their systems and when you ask them `why you have that?` they answer you `idk..`
• 1427[10:15:50] <n4dir> lol. yup
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• 1430[10:16:45] <Wzup> If I use QEMU directly from host or inside a debian virtual machine, what would have highest security? I don't understand but running QEMU directly from host feels so naked.
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• 1438[10:22:09] <oiaohm> Wzup: very had question replaced-url
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• 1443[10:22:35] <oiaohm> Wzup: very had question/ Very hard question.
• 1444[10:23:10] <oiaohm> Wzup: having all the extra bits of debian might increase attack surface area but debian quality control process might have removed a few problems.
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• 1447[10:25:36] <Wzup> oiaohm: QEMU-kvm or QEMU, wich one do you prefer? : )
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• 1452[10:26:59] <oiaohm> Wzup: qemu in software without hardware assistance is very heavy.
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• 1469[10:31:24] <Wzup> oiaohm: qemu-kvm stil feels just as naked as qemu, if you run it directly from physical machine
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• 1485[10:39:05] <oiaohm> Wzup: there are differences. Like Linux security modules can be applied to the features qemu userspace is providing. If you worry is the hardware assist protections are faulty it fairly much give up performance.
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• 1491[10:40:23] <Wzup> oiaohm: What do you mean hardware assistance?
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• 1494[10:41:10] <oiaohm> Wzup: kvm in kernel hypervisor allows qemu to use cpu hardware extensions to reduce down the software it has to emulate.
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• 1496[10:42:17] <Wzup> oiaohm: So qemu with seabios inside a debian vm base is the way?
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• 1503[10:44:50] <hellyeah> hey
• 1504[10:44:55] <hellyeah> i am using debian jessie
• 1505[10:45:04] <hellyeah> how can i restart sound service?
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• 1507[10:45:12] <petn-randall> !goal
• 1508[10:45:12] <dpkg> Describe your goal, not what you think the solution is.
• 1509[10:45:16] <hellyeah> sysctl alsa or something?
• 1510[10:45:30] <hellyeah> i cannot get sound from my machine right now
• 1511[10:45:31] <Shadow_7> hellyeah: which sound service? $ pulseaudio --kill && sleep 5 && pulseaudio --start
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• 1513[10:46:10] <Shadow_7> hellyeah: your default card has index 0. $ cat /proc/asound/cards ... Perhaps your webcam stole that slot
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• 1515[10:46:25] <hellyeah> Shadow_7: E: [pulseaudio] main.c: Failed to kill daemon: No such process
• 1516[10:47:01] <Shadow_7> hellyeah: is the user in the audio group? $ groups
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• 1518[10:47:30] <hellyeah> Shadow_7: replaced-url
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• 1522[10:48:21] <hellyeah> yeah
• 1523[10:48:23] <Shadow_7> hellyeah: were you wanting HDMI audio?
• 1524[10:48:32] <hellyeah> user is member of audio group
• 1525[10:48:41] <hellyeah> not right now
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• 1527[10:49:06] <hellyeah> my comp doesnt not have connection with hdmi device
• 1528[10:49:12] <Shadow_7> hellyeah: did you check the levels and mute status? $ alsamixer -c 0
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• 1533[10:51:32] <hellyeah> everything seems fine
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• 1535[10:52:40] <hellyeah> Shadow_7: replaced-url
• 1536[10:53:36] <Shadow_7> hellyeah: speaker-test -c 2 -l 1
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• 1538[10:54:43] <hellyeah> replaced-url
• 1539[10:55:10] <Shadow_7> hellyeah: speaker-test -c 2 -l 1 -D hw:1
• 1540[10:55:51] <hellyeah> Shadow_7: Playback open error: -2,No such file or directory
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• 1542[10:56:30] <Shadow_7> hellyeah: try -D hw:1,3
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• 1547[10:57:38] <Shadow_7> Should be HDMI audio over the nVidia card
• 1548[10:58:43] <hellyeah> Channels count (1) not available for playbacks: Invalid argument Setting of hwparams failed: Invalid argument
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• 1550[10:59:03] <Shadow_7> hellyeah: then try -D hw:0 and -D hw:0,3
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• 1552[10:59:27] <Shadow_7> hellyeah: baring something locking the audio device (pulseaudio, jackd, ... ... ...)
• 1553[11:00:23] <hellyeah> Stream parameters are 48000Hz, S16_LE, 1 channels Using 16 octaves of pink noise Playback open error: -2,No such file or directory
• 1554[11:00:43] <hellyeah> i feel like something avoid my sound card to work
• 1555[11:00:47] <hellyeah> is that what you said?
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• 1558[11:02:06] <Shadow_7> hellyeah: pgrep pulseaudio
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• 1560[11:02:35] <Shadow_7> if that returns numbers, then pavucontrol
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• 1562[11:03:43] <veek> how do you test to see if a udp port is open and receiving data
• 1563[11:03:49] <veek> it's not my udp port
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• 1565[11:04:05] <veek> it's on the server though.. i could attach strace?
• 1566[11:04:11] <veek> any other way via proc
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• 1569[11:04:26] <ezra-s> veek: "netstat -ln | grep udp"
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• 1571[11:05:01] <ezra-s> veek: lsof -i udp:port
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• 1578[11:07:16] <veek> ezra-s, that shows which app the port belongs to but.. how do i see what data it's getting or if it's receiving at all
• 1579[11:07:51] <Shadow_7> veek: tcpdump
• 1580[11:08:14] <hellyeah> it returned 3434
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• 1583[11:08:51] <veek> Shadow_7, ah duh! thanks
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• 1586[11:09:38] <Shadow_7> hellyeah: that's the pid aka process ID, so it's running. $ cp /usr/share/alsa/pulse-alsa.conf ~/.asoundrc
• 1587[11:10:09] <Shadow_7> hellyeah: and pavucontrol set default and adjust levels. Most times most right tab and disable everything except that which you use.
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• 1589[11:10:44] <hellyeah> okey
• 1590[11:10:47] <hellyeah> i have to go now
• 1591[11:10:51] <hellyeah> i will be back later
• 1592[11:10:54] <hellyeah> thanks for the help
• 1593[11:10:55] <Shadow_7> hellyeah: speaker-test -c 2 -l 1
• 1594[11:11:19] <Shadow_7> should output if everything is working
• 1595[11:11:41] <jonkristian> I've been seeing a few of these on a vm that is hosted in kvm, JBD2: Detected IO errors while flushing file data on vda1-8. Is it possible to fix this without re-creating the image and re-installing?
• 1596[11:11:59] <jonkristian> Just encountered this one last night: replaced-url
• 1597[11:12:00] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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• 1599[11:13:49] <jonkristian> both host and vm seems to be running fine, I get possibly 12 of those IO errors on a span of 12 hours. They seem to appear less frequent so that's why I'm curious to see if this somehow will sort itself out.
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• 1639[11:30:31] <dokma> Should I place temporary files up to 100MB in some RAM fs or do they get placed in some RAM cache by kernel or something else anyways?
• 1640[11:30:40] <DrBunsen> Hello, I installed raspbian lite, and also installed LXDE + tightvncserver, I also tried to install the chromoum browser. But when I start this application, I got an issue that it couldn't access the data directory. I made the data directory, but now when I start it I get the following error: bootstrap_helper: /usr/lig/chromium-browser/nacl_helper: cannot open ELF file! errno=2
• 1641[11:30:40] <DrBunsen> And I am not sure what to do next. Can anyone shed some light on this issue?
• 1642[11:30:53] <DrBunsen> o sorry, this isn't raspbian
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• 1645[11:31:33] <baum> dokma: they should get cached anyways
• 1646[11:32:12] <baum> dokma: personally i just mounted /tmp as tmpfs
• 1647[11:32:13] <jelly> dokma: if they get created and deleted within 5 seconds they probably don't even get written to disk
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• 1651[11:32:40] <dokma> jelly: that was my suspicion
• 1652[11:33:19] <jelly> (which is great)
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• 1654[11:34:11] <dokma> linux is awesome. I keep discovering things I don't have to worry about...
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• 1678[11:45:48] <TimurTheLame> How can I disable the fuse module being loaded and being part of the initramfs?
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• 1680[11:46:41] <TimurTheLame> Actually, how can I blacklist modules from initramfs?
• 1681[11:46:52] <TimurTheLame> I've tried some methods, but they don't seem to work
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• 1703[11:57:35] <TimurTheLame> I don't have a freaking LVM partition and yet it's being lodged into the initramfs
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• 1705[11:57:56] <TimurTheLame> They're all in /usr/share/initramfs-tools/hooks
• 1706[11:58:25] <guest452> How do I check what firmware is missing, can't find any boot logs?
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• 1711[11:59:03] <camh> TimurTheLame: perhaps look into dracut instead. It creates an initramfs based on only what is needed to mount the root fs
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• 1713[11:59:17] <camh> initramfs-tools throws everything in whether it is needed or not
• 1714[11:59:18] <r0ck> hey ppl
• 1715[11:59:33] <r0ck> what about google fonts on debian stretch?
• 1716[11:59:41] <TimurTheLame> camh: hmm. I'll check it right now.
• 1717[11:59:47] <r0ck> why my droid serif looks smaller and consumes less page as it was on jessie?
• 1718[11:59:50] <camh> you can install dracut-core (dracut conflicts with initramfs-tools which is what the kernel depends on)
• 1719[12:00:19] <TimurTheLame> camh: Jesus, it has so many dependencies
• 1720[12:01:04] <TimurTheLame> camh: can I just delete the fuse file from the hooks folder?
• 1721[12:01:16] <camh> TimurTheLame: that'll work too afaik
• 1722[12:01:51] <camh> but it will come back when whatever package it came from is upgraded
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• 1728[12:05:02] <jjulian__> are there anymore config folders then /etc/cups for printers? i deleted and reset all data before working with the web interface but i im unable to reset it to before even after reboots
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• 1739[12:09:35] <oiaohm> jjulian__: remember cups is a running service.
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• 1741[12:09:51] <jjulian__> yes i stopped before modifying
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• 1744[12:10:03] <jjulian__> and a reboot should do the rest
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• 1748[12:10:36] <guest452> Does the debian kernel now support realtek rtl8111/8168/8411 without the firmware package? With the latest kernel in sid.
• 1749[12:11:26] <jjulian__> oiaohm: found something under /var/cache/cups/printerName.data
• 1750[12:11:27] <sharp15> guest452: try this. but generally search first before irc. replaced-url
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• 1755[12:12:22] <guest452> sharp15: Yea, I found that page also, but it seem like all my hardware is fine now, without firmware packages.
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• 1759[12:13:06] <guest452> On jessie I would need to install realtek/atheros firmware for LAN and Bluetooth, but with the latest sid kernel they both work without.
• 1760[12:13:23] <oiaohm> guest452: I get worried when people say that. Yes at times devices work without updating the embedded firmware but you can be hiding a large bug.
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• 1763[12:13:50] <David_Hedlund> Is iceweasel defunct?
• 1764[12:14:00] <missmbob> yeah. firefox took over
• 1765[12:14:08] <oiaohm> David_Hedlund: since firefox has returned yes.
• 1766[12:14:16] <David_Hedlund> Refs?
• 1767[12:14:22] <missmbob> google it
• 1768[12:14:22] <David_Hedlund> How long ago?
• 1769[12:14:32] <missmbob> !firefox
• 1770[12:14:32] <dpkg> From 2006 to 2016, Mozilla Firefox was known as "Iceweasel" in Debian because Mozilla would not permit Debian to use the Firefox name. Firefox packages are now available for both jessie and sid; Firefox in Debian <stable> follows the Extended Support Release (ESR) branch. For the latest versions, ask me about <mozilla.debian.net>.
• 1771[12:15:45] <oiaohm> David_Hedlund: replaced-url
• 1772[12:15:51] <David_Hedlund> missmbob: Thanks.
• 1773[12:16:12] <David_Hedlund> oiaohm: Thank you too.
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• 1776[12:17:28] <oiaohm> David_Hedlund: I am going to miss the iceweasel name.
• 1777[12:17:38] <oiaohm> I liked the logo
• 1778[12:17:40] <oiaohm> as well.
• 1779[12:17:42] <David_Hedlund> oiaohm: Try IceCat.
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• 1781[12:18:25] <guest452> So if they work without firmware, support must have been added or that firmware got installed somehow? I only see firmware-linux-free installed with "dpkg -l"
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• 1785[12:21:04] <oiaohm> guest452: replaced-url
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• 1787[12:21:43] <guest452> Yes, I see that on the wiki also, so I want to know why I can plug in my lan connection and have it work properly.
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• 1789[12:22:07] <oiaohm> guest452: because some cards have a rom that stores a default firmware.
• 1790[12:22:18] <oiaohm> guest452: that can be many years out of date with many layers of bugs.
• 1791[12:22:40] <oiaohm> guest452: cards/motherboards ...
• 1792[12:23:14] <guest452> Strange that those wouldn't be active under the jessie install and now only show up in sid install
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• 1795[12:24:02] <oiaohm> guest452: replaced-url
• 1796[12:24:09] <oiaohm> guest452: the current edition of firmware.
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• 1798[12:24:48] <guest452> I know, what I'm saying is, I couldn't get lan and bluetooth to work without the firmware in jessie, and now they work out of the box in sid
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• 1803[12:25:46] <guest452> I get boot messages about missing firmware for both during jessie boot, and no warnings are mention of them during sid
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• 1805[12:25:53] <oiaohm> guest452: just because a firmware is stored in rom does not mean driver in kernel has not be dumb enough to flush the card.
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• 1808[12:27:08] <oiaohm> guest452: As linux kernel has fixed things more drivers now allow using the on board rom stored firmware if the kernel does not have a replacement.
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• 1811[12:27:59] <guest452> Alright, I think I get it now. So the sid kernel just allowed those roms to activate where the jessie didn't.
• 1812[12:28:23] <oiaohm> Does not make it a sane security movie to keep on running on them.
• 1813[12:28:29] <oiaohm> movie/move
• 1814[12:29:57] <guest452> Yea, I'm going to install the firmware packages.
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• 1821[12:31:29] <oiaohm> guest452: items like network cards using the default rom do users can connect to internet then update the firmware is a good thing.
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• 1825[12:32:50] <guest452> Yea that's handy but a warning would be nice. Let the user know they are running old/outdated firmware and non-free software off a fresh install.
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• 1852[12:46:40] <g0zzy> iceweasel jobs are sticking in the print queue (Wheezy). What can be done?
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• 1858[12:48:34] <rootkea> Hello! I'm using Firefox Developer Edition 52.0a2 When I apt-get update my system it says "W: Failed to fetch replaced-url
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• 1860[12:48:50] <duser> Is it possible that windows host would affect virtualbox's guest os' (debian) ulimit setting?
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• 1862[12:49:05] <rootkea> Relevant part from my sources.list:
• 1863[12:49:10] <duser> i edit system wide and user setting of ulimit
• 1864[12:49:25] <duser> but i still get operation not permitted after relogin.
• 1865[12:49:35] <rootkea> sources.list replaced-url
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• 1867[12:49:52] <themill> rootkea: aurora isn't being built for jessie any more (no idea why/why not)
• 1868[12:49:54] <duser> but i notice that the ulimit value can be set to 4096 but not higer
• 1869[12:50:05] <duser> e.g. ulimit -n 5000 results in operation not permitted
• 1870[12:50:19] <duser> but ulimit -n 4096 works without a problem.
• 1871[12:50:39] <rootkea> The page at replaced-url
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• 1874[12:50:49] <duser> cat /proc/sys/fs/file-max is 6816768
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• 1876[12:51:13] <rootkea> themill: Any official word on this?
• 1877[12:51:26] <duser> cat /etc/security/limits.conf contains * soft nofile 8192 * hard nofile 8192
• 1878[12:51:58] <rootkea> Because I remember I added the repo from replaced-url
• 1879[12:52:16] <themill> what I already said
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• 1881[12:52:36] <duser> sorry it should be * soft nofile 32768
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• 1883[12:52:42] <duser> * hard nofile 32768
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• 1885[12:53:03] <duser> how can i increase ulimit to e.g. 32768?
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• 1889[12:54:02] <rootkea> themill: Well thank you but can you point me to any official announcement or mailing list post or a blog post or something?
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• 1891[12:54:43] <themill> clearly not or I would be able to say more
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• 1897[12:57:33] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
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• 1908[13:04:39] <LostSoul> Hello
• 1909[13:04:48] <LostSoul> I have 2 VMs based on KVM
• 1910[13:04:58] <LostSoul> Both on same setting
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• 1913[13:05:06] <LostSoul> I wanted to copy kernel from one to another
• 1914[13:05:15] <LostSoul> Thing is networking is not loading on second one
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• 1916[13:05:40] <LostSoul> I wonder what can be a cause as modprobe virtio/virtio_net is not working as such module is not working
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• 1923[13:11:43] <g0zzy> iceweasel jobs are sticking in the print queue (Wheezy). What can be done?
• 1924[13:11:51] <petn-randall> LostSoul: What symptoms are you seeing on the second VM?
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• 1927[13:12:18] <Shadow_7> g0zzy: localhost:631 and check cups?
• 1928[13:12:37] <duser> how can i change hard ulimit ?
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• 1930[13:12:58] <g0zzy> Shadow_7: funny thing is Print to File is ok
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• 1932[13:13:29] <Shadow_7> g0zzy: file doesn't run out of paper or ink
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• 1934[13:13:57] <Shadow_7> duser: /etc/security/limits.conf or /etc/security/limits.d/ ???
• 1935[13:13:58] <g0zzy> Well supplies are fine
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• 1939[13:16:04] <themill> g0zzy: you need to define sticking. What does cups actually say? Cups is good at logging things
• 1940[13:16:13] <Shadow_7> g0zzy: have you tried the usuals? unplug replug printer? restart cups? restart hplip or other fancy driver things? Maybe the first unprinted job is too big or other issues.
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• 1942[13:18:15] <LostSoul> petn-randall: Netowrk is not working
• 1943[13:18:27] <LostSoul> I mean on one that I've copied kernel
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• 1945[13:19:15] <g0zzy> Shadow_7: Thanks - i'll keep looking. I think the last attempt printed (it's remote)
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• 1948[13:19:47] <petn-randall> LostSoul: If you log into the machine, what do you see when running 'route -n' and 'ifconfig -a'? Also, what error message do you see in the logs?
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• 1951[13:21:08] <Shadow_7> recalling my old hp printer. Needed pnm2ppa to print, otherwise it would pretend, but nothing every printed. And just didn't work at all if the ink was too low, no real error saying give me ink / feed me seymour.
• 1952[13:22:25] <LostSoul> petn-randall: There is no eth0 interface
• 1953[13:22:29] <LostSoul> Only bond0
• 1954[13:22:44] <LostSoul> Which is not even definied in /etc/network/interfaces
• 1955[13:23:54] <Shadow_7> LostSoul: anything in dmesg to say why? missing firmware?
• 1956[13:23:57] <g0zzy> Great. Thanks
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• 1961[13:24:59] <LostSoul> Shadow_7: Actually not
• 1962[13:25:04] <LostSoul> I don't see what can be a cause
• 1963[13:25:21] <Shadow_7> LostSoul: and the hardware exists? lspci -nnk && lsusb
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• 1965[13:26:21] <jelly> LostSoul: screenshot the output of "cat /proc/net/bonding/bond0", and " dmesg|egrep 'eth|bond' " and "ip a"
• 1966[13:26:46] <LostSoul> yes
• 1967[13:26:51] <LostSoul> I mean he see RTL
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• 1969[13:26:58] <LostSoul> I guess, he doesn't see virtio device
• 1970[13:27:03] <LostSoul> I guess I need to change driver?
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• 1972[13:27:13] <LostSoul> But on the other hand, why doesn't he see virtio device?
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• 1975[13:28:49] <LostSoul> Ok, I'm idiot
• 1976[13:28:53] <LostSoul> Thank you!
• 1977[13:29:00] <jelly> what was it
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• 1980[13:30:48] <ivans> Good Morning Please I would need to be contacted by someone responsible for replaced-url
• 1981[13:31:21] <ivans> We have many problems because we inadvertently publish a private data of a person and we need to delete that message
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• 1984[13:32:14] <themill> ivans: that's not possible
• 1985[13:32:14] <ivans> Can any help me please
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• 1992[13:34:55] <BluesKaj> anyone found a method to make google-chrome default on stretch? Tried various methods like "update-alternatives --config x-replaced-url
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• 1996[13:36:07] <Shadow_7> BluesKaj: most of that is symlinks in /etc/alternatives/
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• 1998[13:36:50] <Shadow_7> BluesKaj: ls -l /etc/alternatives/x-replaced-url
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• 2000[13:37:03] <BluesKaj> sha yeah the symlink didn't work
• 2001[13:37:06] <Shadow_7> which update-alternatives should manage...
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• 2003[13:37:14] <BluesKaj> Shadow_7,^
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• 2005[13:37:56] <Shadow_7> But you can manually manipulate if not using the packaging system or other issue. Otherwise #debian-next on oftc handles testing/stretch.
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• 2009[13:38:40] <Shadow_7> BluesKaj: a lot of times the last thing that does a thing becomes the default. Perhaps apt-get install --reinstall ???
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• 2012[13:39:58] <BluesKaj> Shadow_7, ls -l /etc/alternatives/x-replaced-url
• 2013[13:40:20] <Shadow_7> BluesKaj: so what is managing the browser launch?
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• 2016[13:40:38] <missmbob> BluesKaj: gnome?
• 2017[13:40:49] <DoberMann> defaut brwoser can often be configured in your window manager (desktop environment)
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• 2021[13:41:18] <missmbob> BluesKaj: gnome-control-center->details->default applications
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• 2024[13:41:50] <BluesKaj> missmbob, kde
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• 2026[13:41:54] <Shadow_7> BluesKaj: update-menus ???
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• 2030[13:42:14] <missmbob> BluesKaj: i dont know how they do it but i'm sure it's in their control panel somewhere. try googling
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• 2034[13:43:24] <BluesKaj> missmbob, there's default browser setting on systemsettings on kde , but it 's ifnored as well :-)
• 2035[13:43:31] <BluesKaj> ignored
• 2036[13:43:53] <themill> How are you testing this?
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• 2043[13:45:53] <jelly> BluesKaj: so you're on plasma 5 on stretch?
• 2044[13:46:00] <BluesKaj> yup
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• 2047[13:46:09] <EnnginerOps> Hi Guys
• 2048[13:46:15] <Shadow_7> BluesKaj: ls -l /usr/bin/*brow*
• 2049[13:46:31] <Shadow_7> BluesKaj: seems there's a gnome-replaced-url
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• 2051[13:46:40] <BluesKaj> jelly, 5.8.4
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• 2055[13:47:55] <Shadow_7> BluesKaj: all with /etc/alternatives/ entries
• 2056[13:48:13] <BluesKaj> Shadow_7, no kde-browser listed
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• 2059[13:48:34] <Shadow_7> BluesKaj: ls -l /etc/alternatives/*brow*
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• 2061[13:49:04] <BluesKaj> yes Shadow_7 that's what i was referring to
• 2062[13:49:08] <Etothetaui> I
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• 2064[13:49:23] <Etothetaui> I'm trying to install debian and I am getting this msg "The missing firmware files are: iwlwifi-7260-9.ucode iwlwifi-7260-8.ucode"
• 2065[13:49:34] <Shadow_7> BluesKaj: would they call it plasma something?
• 2066[13:49:47] <Etothetaui> What's the easiest way to get this without using an unofficial liveusb
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• 2072[13:50:54] <Etothetaui> I think I have to get the files from here: replaced-url
• 2073[13:50:58] <Shadow_7> Etothetaui: package firmware-iwlwifi ... so packages.debian.org if you can't use the package manager
• 2074[13:51:27] <BluesKaj> Shadow_7, x-replaced-url
• 2075[13:51:35] <Shadow_7> Etothetaui: once you have the .deb you can dpkg -i ?????.deb
• 2076[13:52:10] <Shadow_7> BluesKaj: and $ ls -l /usr/bin/google-chrome-stable
• 2077[13:52:16] <Shadow_7> Is it another symlink?
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• 2079[13:52:43] <themill> BluesKaj: How are you testing what browser is used?
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• 2081[13:53:31] <DoberMann> Etothetaui: netinstal or usual one ? (using only wireless if netinstall ?)
• 2082[13:53:42] <BluesKaj> Shadow_7, I think chrome is like firefox, it uses the the GTK settings one sets manually for fonts and themes since these browsers rely on GTK
• 2083[13:53:43] <Etothetaui> the usual one
• 2084[13:54:14] <DoberMann> then once installed, unable "non free" section repositories, and apt-get install firmware-iwlwifi
• 2085[13:54:25] <Etothetaui> It wont let me install
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• 2087[13:54:29] <duser> Shadow_7: i configure limits.con to * soft nofile 32768 * hard nofile 32768
• 2088[13:54:33] <Etothetaui> im using the graphical installation
• 2089[13:54:34] <duser> but it still doesn't work.
• 2090[13:54:40] <BluesKaj> themill, manually
• 2091[13:54:47] <Shadow_7> duser: does it work after a reboot?
• 2092[13:54:49] <Etothetaui> and it wont let me continue past the detect network hardware stage
• 2093[13:55:13] <jelly> BluesKaj: which command exactly, or what do you click in which app?
• 2094[13:55:43] <duser> no. after rebooting os still has limit to 4096 (ulimit -Hn)
• 2095[13:55:46] <jelly> BluesKaj: xdg-open replaced-url
• 2096[13:55:48] <BluesKaj> Shadow_7, yes it seems to symlinked /usr/bin/google-chrome-stable -> /opt/google/chrome/google-chrome
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• 2100[13:55:58] <duser> adding session required pam_limits.so to common-session or login doesn't work either.
• 2101[13:56:02] <duser> : (
• 2102[13:56:06] <Shadow_7> Etothetaui: there are other ways to install debian. Otherwise you need an installer with the firmware.
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• 2104[13:56:23] <themill> BluesKaj: what does manually mean?
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• 2106[13:56:25] <duser> i am not sure if it's because my debian is a guest ok on vbox or not.
• 2107[13:56:39] <BluesKaj> no I click on an icon in the panel launcher, jelly
• 2108[13:56:40] <themill> BluesKaj: how your testing it is rather important to knowing what to configure
• 2109[13:56:57] <jelly> BluesKaj: what do the properties of that icon say?
• 2110[13:56:57] <Etothetaui> is there a way to download and add the firmware to the liveusb I'm using?
• 2111[13:56:58] <themill> 're
• 2112[13:57:05] <Etothetaui> and what would be the other way to install it?
• 2113[13:57:25] <Shadow_7> Etothetaui: debootstrap if you already have a running linux
• 2114[13:57:28] <BluesKaj> clicking on the chrome icon in the panel launcher, themill
• 2115[13:57:56] <themill> BluesKaj: and you click on a chrome icon and some other browser appears>
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• 2117[13:58:08] <Etothetaui> Shadow_7, is there a way to add the firmware to the liveusb?
• 2118[13:58:29] <DoberMann> you can but not that easy
• 2119[13:58:32] <Shadow_7> Etothetaui: no easy way.
• 2120[13:58:55] <DoberMann> or try using replaced-url
• 2121[13:58:55] <themill> BluesKaj: what is the command that the icon is running? (right click, properties or edit or similar)
• 2122[13:58:59] <jelly> BluesKaj: assuming it's similar to kde4, what does right click on the icon -> icon settings -> application say?
• 2123[13:59:12] <themill> what jelly said!
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• 2125[13:59:51] <jelly> I don't have a stretch desktop nearby (and I switched back to xfce anyway because plasma5 was unusably buggy)
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• 2127[14:00:16] <jelly> wouldn't be surprised there are still some regressions
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• 2129[14:01:02] <themill> that it takes none of your settings across at least reduces the activation barrier to switching to something else
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• 2131[14:01:30] <BluesKaj> jelly, it's plasma5 ...thanks for your efforts everyone , but I have to leave for a while ...BBL
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• 2158[14:14:09] <argonius> hi *. I've read over replaced-url
• 2159[14:14:36] <argonius> but i've added "dir-or-file-in-opt" into /usr/share/lintian/overrides/packagename
• 2160[14:14:51] <argonius> but lintian still prints the messages
• 2161[14:14:57] <veek> is there a way to differentiate between ports being listened on and normal ports in UDP
• 2162[14:14:59] <argonius> any idea?
• 2163[14:15:01] <veek> via lsof
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• 2165[14:15:50] <veek> netcat listening on 2115 just prints netcat 8558 root 3u IPv4 42641 0t0 UDP *:2115
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• 2172[14:18:15] <newbie22> I have created two partions on a usb drive, 1) FAT 2) EXT. I want to write a linux iso image to the 2) ext partition, and boot from it. The problem is that I have been using rufus to write my iso images and rufus does not see the two partitions. How can I write an iso image to the second partition ?
• 2173[14:19:48] <missmbob> !rufus
• 2174[14:19:48] <dpkg> rufus is a tool that can be used to make bootable USB devices under Windows. It is not recommended for use with Debian CD/DVD images, as it mangles the installer in cruel and unusual ways, resulting in hard to debug problems. Ask me about <hybrid images>, <usb install>, <win32diskimager>.
• 2175[14:20:07] <missmbob> anyway, you really cant.
• 2176[14:20:20] <missmbob> you copy the iso to the device, not partition
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• 2178[14:21:15] <BluesKaj> newbie22, best to use one fat32 partition with rufus, it does work tho despite theinfo to the contrary
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• 2180[14:21:31] <missmbob> newbie22: cp foo.iso /dev/sdx if you're on linux or win32diskmanager on windowws
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• 2184[14:25:36] <BluesKaj> too bad dd doesn't work in windows..
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• 2189[14:28:48] <missmbob> heh. i said manager. imager* too damn early
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• 2192[14:30:12] <BluesKaj> missmbob, I used rufus to create a bootable debian-jessie image on W7 without any problem
• 2193[14:30:41] <missmbob> BluesKaj: good on you. no one is saying it shits all the time. just often enough
• 2194[14:30:57] <missmbob> BluesKaj: why use it when there are tools known to work 100%?
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• 2196[14:31:01] <BluesKaj> yeah like unetbootin
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• 2198[14:31:16] <missmbob> !unetbootin
• 2199[14:31:16] <dpkg> UNetbootin (Universal Netboot Installer) allows creation of bootable USB drives for a variety of Linux distributions. replaced-url
• 2200[14:31:31] <TestPS123> Hello
• 2201[14:31:47] <BluesKaj> unetbootin crapped out on me more than rufus
• 2202[14:31:53] <TestPS123> I'd like to know, is this Channel accessible with Riot.com/Matrix.org?
• 2203[14:32:03] <BluesKaj> and I'm no windows fan
• 2204[14:32:05] <TestPS123> *Riot.im
• 2205[14:32:49] <BluesKaj> TestPS123, ???
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• 2207[14:33:28] <TestPS123> Never mind I guess
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• 2219[14:38:41] <pragomer_1> just installed teamviewer 12 (deb-file) under stretch. and get error from teamviewer about proxy (I use no proxy)
• 2220[14:38:48] <pragomer_1> any idead about this?
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• 2222[14:40:57] <TestPS123> I have configured an OpenVPN, which works perfectly fine when I enter "sudo openvpn --config /etc/openvpn/client.conf".
• 2223[14:41:16] <TestPS123> However, when I boot up, it does not work. I cannot access the internet
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• 2225[14:41:56] <TestPS123> I have to enter "sudo killall openvpn" and then the aforementioned command in order for it to work
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• 2227[14:42:06] <TestPS123> Can you tell me how to fix that?
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• 2233[14:45:35] <themill> argonius: #packaging on irc.oftc.net would be a better place to ask (I assume this is for a package not destined for Debian -- in which case, you can just ignore things you don't like)
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• 2236[14:47:35] <BluesKaj> TestPS123, does the client/server ask for your username and pw
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• 2239[14:48:12] <TestPS123> No
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• 2241[14:48:42] <TestPS123> I have all that is needed in a configuration file
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• 2244[14:50:49] <BluesKaj> do you have the .opvpn files and crt in /etc/openvpn/ ?
• 2245[14:50:55] <BluesKaj> TestPS123,^
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• 2247[14:52:33] <BluesKaj> or does your openvpn server have a .sh file or some such that you ran to setup your openvpn client
• 2248[14:52:33] <TestPS123> I copied the test from the opvpn in the conf file
• 2249[14:53:01] <TestPS123> I don't have the crt. There is no need for them when I start it manually in the terminal
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• 2251[14:53:25] <TestPS123> *text
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• 2254[14:54:34] <BluesKaj> TestPS123, I beg to differ, I' using openvpn and the crt is looked at in the /etc/openvpn whenever I run the command afaik
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• 2256[14:55:05] <TestPS123> I mean, I'm using the VPN right now and it works perfectly fine
• 2257[14:55:14] <TestPS123> The only thing that does not work is the Autostart
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• 2259[14:55:44] <bezaban> it's possibly not running as root and having problems setting the routes
• 2260[14:56:19] <TestPS123> I thought OpenVPN gets started automatically when booting up? Shouldn't it do so as a root then?
• 2261[14:56:25] <bezaban> but we'd need more information than 'not working. Eg. how is it started, from where and what is the state of the system.
• 2262[14:57:15] <TestPS123> I red on debian.org that, once an VPN is configured, it will start automatically when booting up
• 2263[14:57:40] <bezaban> I don't usually run VPNs at boot myself, but when I need to connect to different networks. It should go through the configs in a folder and bring them up. Is it trying to do this?
• 2264[14:57:57] <BluesKaj> TestPS123, no it doesn't unless you have iot configured in autostart
• 2265[14:58:07] <TestPS123> How do I do that?
• 2266[14:58:25] <bezaban> where on debian.org? What steps have you done. What does 'no internet on boot' mean, config files, network info etc. You're being very vague
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• 2270[14:58:50] <TestPS123> When it doesn't autostart, why can't I access the Internet at start until I enter "sudo killall openvpn"?
• 2271[14:58:57] <BluesKaj> bezaban, who are you talking to?
• 2272[14:59:04] <bezaban> BluesKaj: TestPS123
• 2273[14:59:14] <bezaban> the one with the vpn issue
• 2274[14:59:22] <TestPS123> replaced-url
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• 2282[15:01:01] <bezaban> TestPS123: does it work when starting/restarting the openvpn service? If no check logs to see why it is failing
• 2283[15:01:15] <bezaban> as that is essentially what is happening on startup
• 2284[15:01:50] <BluesKaj> personally i prefer the option to connect thru the cli , not in autostartup , gives me more flexiability to choose which server as well
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• 2294[15:05:10] <TestPS123> bezaban: How do I do that? When I enter only "sudo openvpn", Nothing happens. When I enter the command along with the config file, all works fine
• 2295[15:05:27] <TestPS123> BluesKaj I would also prefer that if it wouldn't require me to enter my password anytime
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• 2302[15:09:41] <BluesKaj> TestPS123, you can add a user/pw login text file to /etc/openvpn and make the command refer to it like so: sudo openvpn --config /etc/openvpn/CA*Montreal.ovpn --auth-user-pass /etc/openvpn/login.txt
• 2303[15:10:25] <BluesKaj> CA*Montreal.ovpn being the server example
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• 2305[15:11:12] <Test726> Hi
• 2306[15:11:19] <unborn> is there any way to clone repository and use it as local repository? not asking about git but something like my own offline copy of debian repository
• 2307[15:11:20] <Test726> When I enter sudo /etc/init.d/openvpn restart
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• 2309[15:11:37] <Test726> He shows [ ok ] Restarting openvpn (via systemctl): openvpn.service.
• 2310[15:11:42] <Test726> And everything works fine
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• 2312[15:11:53] <Test726> Only wenn booting up it does not
• 2313[15:12:12] <BluesKaj> TestPS123, you can add a user/pw login text file to /etc/openvpn and make the command refer to it like so: sudo openvpn --config /etc/openvpn/CA*Montreal.ovpn --auth-user-pass /etc/openvpn/login.txt
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• 2321[15:14:20] <Test726> BluesKaj what exactly would I need to write? Can I make sure that that file only works for that command?
• 2322[15:14:20] <BluesKaj> CA*Montreal.ovpn is an example of course
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• 2324[15:14:45] <Test726> Also, can I do that for the graphical Client I can download?
• 2325[15:15:58] <BluesKaj> Test726, just 2 lines , username then pasword right below it , and name the file login.txt
• 2326[15:16:17] <Test726> sudo mullvad --auth-user /usr/bin/mullvad.txt? Can I make it so that the Client starts automatically then loging in?
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• 2332[15:18:19] <BluesKaj> add the login .txt file to /etc/openvpn with sudo cp /pathto/login.tx /etc/openvpn or copy it with user permissions
• 2333[15:18:33] <BluesKaj> Test726,^
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• 2346[15:21:56] <rootkea> Hello folks! I added repo for firefo-aurora (Firefox Developer Edition) from replaced-url
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• 2349[15:23:07] <rootkea> Is this a temporary outage or Debian Mozilla Team is not going to maintain aurora-repo here onwards?
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• 2352[15:23:45] <rootkea> Any official word on this? A mailing list post or a blog post or something?
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• 2365[15:28:22] <abrotman> rootkea: It might be incompatible with Jessie now?
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• 2367[15:29:24] <abrotman> I see Beta there though
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• 2371[15:30:16] <rootkea> abrotman: incompatible with the current stable? O.o
• 2372[15:30:31] <rootkea> is there any official word regarding this?
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• 2374[15:30:37] <rootkea> *Is
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• 2377[15:31:03] <Test163> BluesKaj I misunderstood you. I do not need a username or password to access to the server. Just the config file
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• 2379[15:31:30] <Test163> I meant that starting the client manually would require me to enter my sudo password everytime, which I want to avoid
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• 2391[15:37:12] <BluesKaj> Test163, starting the vpn client manually gives you more options, unless of course this needs to be a permamnent connection due to your county's restrictive internet policies ?
• 2392[15:37:26] <BluesKaj> country's
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• 2399[15:39:35] <Test163> BluesKaj if I require more options, I can simply enter "killall" and restart the thing
• 2400[15:40:07] <Test163> For the most part though, I don't need them. I'd just like it to start comfortably
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• 2409[15:41:32] <citrik> Hi all! Witch user use init.d? I'm trying to run on root at init.d (to give sudo permisions)
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• 2411[15:42:16] <colo-work> why is the latest jessie/security upgrade for apache2 enabling mod_reqtimeout?
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• 2414[15:44:30] <themill> colo-work: see the changelog
• 2415[15:44:37] <colo-work> themill, I cannot find it :)
• 2416[15:44:39] <colo-work> can you?
• 2417[15:44:41] <BluesKaj> Test163, I use aliases for lot of my termainal commands, so the initial bashrc or bash_aliases setup is a bit of work , but after that it's a simple task to connect or run cli commands
• 2418[15:44:55] <themill> colo-work: sure, first entry
• 2419[15:45:11] <colo-work> themill, how exactly did you view it?
• 2420[15:45:13] <themill> * Activate mod_reqtimeout in new installs and during updates from before 2.4.10-10+deb8u8. It was wrongly not activated in new installs since jessie. This made the default installation vulnerable to some DoS attacks.
• 2421[15:45:34] <BluesKaj> Test163, do you use network-manager ?
• 2422[15:45:51] <jelly> smells like slowloris
• 2423[15:45:58] <Test163> No
• 2424[15:46:10] <Test163> I have an LXDE installation with additional Xfce
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• 2426[15:46:19] <Test163> I plan to also install KDE and MATE in the future
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• 2430[15:48:19] <BluesKaj> Test163, I've been a KDE/plasma user for yrs ..still love it altho plasma5 has dropped some of my fav features
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• 2432[15:48:48] <colo-work> jelly, yeah. it's pretty useless for me, since all apache httpd instances are behind a reverse proxy taking care of that.
• 2433[15:48:48] <Test163> Should I install the Network Manager?
• 2434[15:49:06] <Test163> I remember that with it, getting VPN to run was a very easy task. A long time ago
• 2435[15:49:12] <colo-work> anyway, how can I view the jessie/security changelog for that update, ideally before installing or trying to install it?
• 2436[15:49:22] <rootkea> Do I need to subscribe to send an email to debian-users mailing list?
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• 2439[15:50:21] <BluesKaj> Test163, i don't use NM , prefer the etc/network/interfaces file settings along with dns nameservers in /etc/resolv.conf
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• 2441[15:50:45] <Test163> Ahhhhhh why is that all so complicated
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• 2445[15:51:20] <BluesKaj> Test163, you can a use a static Ip
• 2446[15:51:24] <colo-work> (I'm asking because the changelo link on replaced-url
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• 2448[15:51:36] <jelly> colo-work: that's why there's a way to change defaults
• 2449[15:51:57] <themill> colo-work: apt-listchanges
• 2450[15:51:59] <Test163> Is there a possiblity to set autostart for a programm which you need to run as sudo, without having to enter the password upon login?
• 2451[15:52:02] <colo-work> jelly, which defaults are you referring to?
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• 2453[15:52:05] <BluesKaj> Test163, on your home network
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• 2455[15:52:16] <ws2k3> is there a tool in linux to read pcap files? simual to capinfos that i can get from the repo?
• 2456[15:52:22] <jelly> colo-work: said enabling of that module
• 2457[15:52:24] <colo-work> themill, I know that. can it show me the changelog before trying to install the package?
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• 2460[15:52:41] <themill> yes
• 2461[15:52:42] <jelly> colo-work: that's the main purpose of apt-listchanges.
• 2462[15:52:43] <colo-work> jelly, how can I prevent dpkg from doing that, retroactively?
• 2463[15:52:53] <themill> also replaced-url
• 2464[15:53:08] <colo-work> themill, thanks, that's what I was looking for then :)
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• 2466[15:54:16] <jelly> "dpkg-reconfigure apt-listchanges" if it doesn't show you changelogs _before_ asking for confirmation to continue
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• 2471[15:56:20] <Etothetaui> why does my liveusb only show up under legacy options instead of uefi options?
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• 2474[15:57:01] <jelly> Etothetaui: current stable live images do not support uefi, only the installer images do
• 2475[15:57:04] <Test163> Ummm
• 2476[15:57:05] <Test163> Help
• 2477[15:57:13] <jelly> !ask
• 2478[15:57:13] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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• 2480[15:57:20] <Test163> I just edites /etc/sudoers according to this: replaced-url
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• 2482[15:57:27] <Test163> Now I can't acces sudo anymore
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• 2484[15:57:55] <Test163> Did I fuck my system?
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• 2487[15:58:06] <jelly> Test163: use "su -" to open a root shell, use root's password.
• 2488[15:58:16] <Test163> Root doesn't have a password =(
• 2489[15:58:26] <jelly> Test163: which debian release is this?
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• 2492[15:58:42] <Etothetaui> jelly, ok well I booted up in legacy mode went through the whole process it said that the installation was complete and then when it rebooted it said no boot material found
• 2493[15:58:43] <Test163> Debian 8
• 2494[15:58:48] <Test163> I installed it just a few days ago
• 2495[15:59:04] <Etothetaui> So I figured that I needed to install it in uefi, but you're saying I don't need to install it in uefi?
• 2496[15:59:11] <BluesKaj> Test163, ubuntu and debian sudo and root users are different so don't use ubuntu example for permissions
• 2497[15:59:32] <Test163> Oh
• 2498[15:59:34] <Test163> Shit
• 2499[15:59:38] <BluesKaj> yeah
• 2500[15:59:39] <Test163> I googled Debian
• 2501[15:59:46] <Test163> Can I fix my sudoers file?
• 2502[15:59:48] <Etothetaui> jelly if I use the netinst will it work with uefi?
• 2503[15:59:59] <jelly> Etothetaui: it's supposed to, yeah
• 2504[15:59:59] <Shadow_7> Test163: visudo ?
• 2505[16:00:23] <Test163> I don't know what that is
• 2506[16:00:26] <Etothetaui> jelly, any idea how to find out why my installation wont boot? I installed it in legacy mode
• 2507[16:00:37] <Shadow_7> Test163: what do you think is wrong with it? The user needs to be in the sudo group to sudo
• 2508[16:00:39] <jelly> Test163: that's the command used to edit /etc/sudoers, you don't do it directly
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• 2510[16:00:59] <Test163> I already edited it
• 2511[16:01:08] <Test163> Now I can't access sudo anymore
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• 2513[16:01:08] <Shadow_7> Test163: and sudo needs to be installed. visudo is how edit the sudoers file / best practices.
• 2514[16:01:36] <Test163> I just want to edit it back+
• 2515[16:01:43] <Test163> Is there any way to edit it back?
• 2516[16:01:51] <Test163> entering visudo doesn't do anything
• 2517[16:01:55] <jelly> Test163: boot a live image, mount your system, chroot into it, undo changes to sudoers file, and set up a password for root while you're at it
• 2518[16:01:56] <Shadow_7> Test163: perhaps rm it and apt-get install --reinstall sudo
• 2519[16:02:05] <jelly> Shadow_7: that's bad advice
• 2520[16:02:11] <Test163> The system is LVM encrypted
• 2521[16:02:16] <Test163> I can't access it from outside
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• 2523[16:02:21] <Shadow_7> probably. but it's already broke
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• 2526[16:02:36] <jelly> !slap Shadow_7
• 2527[16:02:36] * dpkg strikes a resounding *THWAP* across Shadow_7's face
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• 2529[16:02:46] <Test163> Fuck. So I have no choice but to reinstall the system?
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• 2531[16:03:08] <Shadow_7> Test163: baring a filesystem with rollback
• 2532[16:03:09] <jelly> Test163: you can open a luks crypted device from outside.
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• 2535[16:03:32] <jelly> Test163: jsut need a live image with cryptsetup and lvm2 tools.
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• 2537[16:03:44] <Test163> Fucking hell
• 2538[16:03:47] <Test163> I hate myself
• 2539[16:03:57] <Test163> And I hate to shit for being so fucking complicated
• 2540[16:04:11] <Test163> Connecting toi a VPN was so fucking easy a few years ago
• 2541[16:04:19] <Test163> Just enter in Network-Manager, boom
• 2542[16:04:21] <Shadow_7> If encryption was easy, everyone would be using it
• 2543[16:04:22] <Etothetaui> I don't understand why this isn't working. The whole installation process went smoothly. Why does it say no bootable devices when I reboot
• 2544[16:04:22] <Test163> What the fuck happened
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• 2548[16:05:00] <jelly> Etothetaui: it's possible grub wasn't installed to actual disk but to the usb stick somehow?
• 2549[16:05:04] <Shadow_7> Etothetaui: Not all storage devices are bootable. Especially cheap ones
• 2550[16:05:05] <Test163> I don't hate LVM. I hate the fact that setting up a VPN is so fucking comlicated as shit
• 2551[16:05:23] <jelly> Test163: lvm and luks/cryptsetup have nothing to do with a vpn
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• 2553[16:05:39] <jelly> nor does sudo, really
• 2554[16:05:42] <Etothetaui> jelly I don't think so
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• 2556[16:05:52] <Somelauw> On Debian testing, how to get a more recent version of firefox. Websites are complaining they don't support my (outdated) browser.
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• 2560[16:06:04] <Etothetaui> I installed grub to the same disk that I installed the system
• 2561[16:06:17] <jelly> Etothetaui: and not, say, to /dev/sda at that time?
• 2562[16:06:32] <Etothetaui> yeah it definitely wasnt sda
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• 2564[16:07:26] <jelly> Etothetaui: no idea then, I don't have a lot of experience with uefi+legacy capable systems and issues
• 2565[16:07:59] <Etothetaui> Is it possible to format the drive and re set the boot settings to actory settings?
• 2566[16:08:06] <Etothetaui> *factory
• 2567[16:08:06] <Shadow_7> Etothetaui: some UEFI/Bioses only boot MBR, not GPT
• 2568[16:08:20] <jelly> Etothetaui: still it might be worth booting a live image again, mounting and chrooting and doing grub-install again
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• 2570[16:08:44] <Etothetaui> The computer can handle debian because it was running Kali before I decided running kali was stupid
• 2571[16:09:18] <Shadow_7> Etothetaui: in my case I can use a usb bootable grub to configfile load the GPT disk
• 2572[16:09:24] <jelly> but maybe it handles an uefi install better than a legacy one?
• 2573[16:09:53] <Etothetaui> well that's true kali was installed with uefi
• 2574[16:09:56] <Etothetaui> crap
• 2575[16:10:01] <Shadow_7> Etothetaui: GRUB> insmod part_gpt / insmod ext2 / ls / configfile (hd1,gpt2)/boot/grub/grub.cfg
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• 2577[16:10:23] <BluesKaj> Test163, does your DE have an startup option to add a small bash script with a command?
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• 2579[16:11:02] <BluesKaj> containing a command rather
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• 2581[16:11:37] <Etothetaui> I'm going to try to re install from the netist
• 2582[16:11:40] <Etothetaui> with uefi
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• 2584[16:11:45] <Etothetaui> :|
• 2585[16:11:47] <Shadow_7> Somelauw: those sites probably only work for IE / Edge or Chrome. Take their hint and stop using their broken-ness
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• 2589[16:13:52] <Somelauw> Shadow_7: i don't always get to choose what websites to use
• 2590[16:14:00] <Somelauw> Shadow_7: i worked around using the new qutebrowser
• 2591[16:14:19] <Somelauw> which is sort of the same as chrome underneath i think
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• 2598[16:17:20] <deepy> Shadow_7: is your rationale for not using Firefox that Debian ships firefox-esr?
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• 2602[16:19:09] <Shadow_7> I use iceweasel, which is firefox afaik
• 2603[16:19:24] <Etothetaui> can't you add mozilla to the apt repositories?
• 2604[16:19:33] <Etothetaui> and then download firefox?
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• 2606[16:19:52] <Shadow_7> With caveats. uzbl-browser when I need accelerated flash. freshplayerplugin for PPAPI flash. And such
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• 2608[16:20:18] <rootkea> deepy: Yeah well I installed firefox-aurora using official Debian repo from replaced-url
• 2609[16:20:32] <rootkea> Etothetaui: ^
• 2610[16:20:53] <jelly> rootkea: is there no contact email or something on that web page
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• 2612[16:21:07] <jelly> replaced-url
• 2613[16:21:38] <jelly> rootkea: > Please report any problem to the pkg-mozilla-maintainers@lists.alioth.debian.org list.
• 2614[16:21:54] <rootkea> There is. And I have sent the mail 3/4 hours ago. yet to hear anything. BTW posted on debian-user 10 minutes back
• 2615[16:22:03] <rootkea> jelly: ^
• 2616[16:22:06] <babilen> rootkea: You can also find them in #debian-mozilla on irc.oftc.net
• 2617[16:22:15] <jelly> rootkea: smaller team, people have things to do.
• 2618[16:22:24] <Shadow_7> If I need something bleeding edge, I'll just chroot to arch or reboot to arch
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• 2620[16:22:46] <rootkea> babilen: Thank you! Guess that's what I was looking for
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• 2622[16:23:33] <rootkea> jelly: BTW I asked about the same issue yesterday here. But got no pointers. :(
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• 2624[16:26:04] <rootkea> join #oftc
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• 2626[16:26:55] <jelly> wrong irc network!
• 2627[16:27:00] <babilen> dpkg: otherchannel rootkea #debian-mozilla irc.oftc.net
• 2628[16:27:00] <dpkg> rootkea: The channel you are looking for is #debian-mozilla on irc.oftc.net. Please do /server irc.oftc.net and then /join #debian-mozilla. If your client supports it, you can also right-click the following link and choose connect: irc://irc.oftc.net/#debian-mozilla
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• 2631[16:29:09] <rootkea> babilen: Yeah well I did. But guess what oftc says my ip is banned. So I'm off to talk with #oftc folks why the ip is banned when the same works with freenode. So that I can talk with #debian-mozilla about the `aurora` repo they removed (apparently) without any explanation or small note :P
• 2632[16:29:18] <rootkea> I love FLOSS! ;)
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• 2636[16:30:31] <BluesKaj> rootkea,using a vpn ?
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• 2638[16:30:49] <rootkea> Nope. I'm behind institute proxy.
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• 2640[16:31:14] <BluesKaj> ok, tht probly expalins it
• 2641[16:31:32] <rootkea> But works with freenode!
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• 2643[16:31:41] <TomTomTo1> different networks.
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• 2645[16:31:55] <jelly> dif'rent policies, too
• 2646[16:32:27] <BluesKaj> roo obviously someone with your IP has spammed oftc
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• 2648[16:32:34] <BluesKaj> rootkea,^
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• 2650[16:33:40] <BluesKaj> some debian sites have banned some of my vpn server's IPs for thwe same reason
• 2651[16:33:44] <rootkea> BluesKaj: I doubt that lol! I don't know anyone from my institute who uses OFTC. Of course that's not a logical proof in itself!
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• 2662[16:35:05] <Test168> Holy fucking shit I fixed it
• 2663[16:35:10] <Test168> In Recovery mode with visudo
• 2664[16:35:14] <Test168> I'm so glad
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• 2668[16:35:38] <rootkea> And well I'll not say I am surprised but OFTC folks are not on #oftc freenode network. Guess they are on #oftc oftc network. Bummer!
• 2669[16:35:42] <BluesKaj> Test168, please , watch the languge , it's not necessary
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• 2672[16:36:56] <Test168> That reminded me of another issue: I originally installed LXDE and set up Redshift as an autostart, which worked flawlessly under ubuntu. Here, when I log in, nothing happens, so that I had to install Xfce, where it does work as an autostart
• 2673[16:37:09] <Test168> Hoe can I fix LXDE? How can I make Redshift work at login?
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• 2705[16:50:35] <blind> Hey guys, hoping someone can help. I'm running jessie with the 4.8 kernel from jessie-backports. I can't run the 4.9 because the fglrx-modules-dkms won't build against it yet. I keep getting SPAMMED with "t of memory" errors from syslog, but I have like 20GB of RAM available. It spams so much it makes any terminal unusable. And syslog is flooded with avahi-daemon messages, which when I tried to disable I wou
• 2706[16:50:41] <blind> nd up with no messages in syslog. :(
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• 2708[16:51:14] <Shadow_7> seems lxde uses wicd instead of network-manager. And netdev group to use said thing.
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• 2710[16:52:23] <Shadow_7> Yet another thing to stop at first boot.
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• 2712[16:52:46] <jelly> blind: what about 3.16?
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• 2717[16:53:43] <jelly> blind: is there anything useful in /var/log/kern.log ?
• 2718[16:53:48] <blind> I suppose I could try to go back. I think I had wound up upgrading to get the backported fglrx drivers which maybe had better performance or something.. I'll give it a whirl.
• 2719[16:53:50] <Shadow_7> And it installed lightdm. Oh joy, a gui login.
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• 2722[16:55:32] <blind> ooooh.... from kern.log thank you.. why didn't I look at kern.log.. avahi-daemon VmData exceed data ulimit.
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• 2725[16:56:11] <Shadow_7> There's still logs? and not journalctl -a for all?
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• 2731[16:57:29] <Shadow_7> And ofc Test168 quit, so I can tell him about lxsession
• 2732[16:57:37] <Shadow_7> cannot*
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• 2738[16:58:50] <BluesKaj> ahh yeah Shadow_7 raspbian on my rpi3 uses wicd
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• 2740[16:59:14] <BluesKaj> works well
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• 2744[16:59:46] <BluesKaj> jessie/main armhf Packages
• 2745[16:59:52] <jelly> blind: so for a start, restart that service and see if it stops spmmaing logs
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• 2778[17:11:58] <dannyLopez> Hi.
• 2779[17:12:07] <userro> Hi
• 2780[17:12:42] <dannyLopez> I lose the root password, and edit the /etc/shadow, but cant login ass root
• 2781[17:12:46] <dannyLopez> as*
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• 2784[17:13:17] <tomg2> if you can edit /etc/shadow just run passwd
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• 2786[17:14:12] <stoned> Hello good morning time
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• 2788[17:14:23] <stoned> Did anyone updated from jessie to the new frozen stable (not released yet)
• 2789[17:14:26] <n4dir> one way to solve that problem is to boot a liveCD (stick,etc), do chroot and run passwd as root
• 2790[17:14:28] <n4dir> !chroot
• 2791[17:14:28] <dpkg> To chroot into your Debian system boot to your Debian install disk/live CD, switch to the other console (Alt-F2). Mount your root filesystem with "mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target" and make /dev, /proc and /sys usable with "mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc ; mount -t sysfs none /target/sys". You can then chroot into the system with "chroot /target".
• 2792[17:14:32] <stoned> How did it go? Was there any problems?
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• 2796[17:15:37] <dannyLopez> I run passw, but change the puser password, and the user is not in the sudoers list
• 2797[17:16:07] <jasonwc> stoned: Yes, I've tested the upgrade in a VM (using a ZFS root)
• 2798[17:16:17] <jasonwc> ZFS root filesystem
• 2799[17:16:30] <stoned> That's interesting.
• 2800[17:16:47] <jasonwc> Upgrade went perfectly
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• 2802[17:16:57] <stoned> I might try it
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• 2804[17:17:14] <stoned> Should I back up, probably.
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• 2806[17:17:33] <jasonwc> stoned: If you are curious, I tested this with Jessie and then upgraded to Stretch. replaced-url
• 2807[17:17:36] <Shadow_7> or just use usb sticks
• 2808[17:17:38] <stoned> Debian ssytem is on 64gb ssd
• 2809[17:17:40] <n4dir> dannyLopez: like said, one method it to reset the root passwd via chroot (iirc another option is via the installation medium)
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• 2811[17:17:47] <jasonwc> stoned: It's even easier with Stretch since ZFS is now in contrib, not backports
• 2812[17:17:54] <stoned> I should probably mirror that. Is there a live disk mirror tool in debian?
• 2813[17:18:03] <stoned> I used zol
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• 2815[17:18:10] <stoned> what kind of zfs is inside debian
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• 2818[17:18:28] <stoned> I'm on jessie and use zol from their repository but not on roto
• 2819[17:18:31] <stoned> root*
• 2820[17:18:53] <jasonwc> ah, I had a hell of a time upgrading from Wheezy to Jessie because of the zol binaries
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• 2822[17:18:59] <veek> how do you shutdown the udp socket when running pdnsd
• 2823[17:19:00] <jasonwc> stoned: Before you upgrade, read this
• 2824[17:19:05] <Shadow_7> can I debootstrap stretch? or do I have to upgrade to it after debootstrap jessie?
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• 2826[17:19:19] <veek> pdnsd -mto -g -c /etc/pdnsd.conf doesn't do it
• 2827[17:19:21] <jasonwc> stoned replaced-url
• 2828[17:19:38] <veek> neither does paranoid=on
• 2829[17:19:44] <jasonwc> stoned: Basically, the ZoL packages break the upgrade. You should switch to the jessie-backports backages BEFORE upgrading
• 2830[17:19:52] <stoned> Ah ok
• 2831[17:19:55] <stoned> I'm glad I asked
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• 2834[17:20:18] <jasonwc> stoned: I had to manually remove each zol packages using dpkg -r --force-depends package_name
• 2835[17:20:19] <Shadow_7> Is zfs the default fs in stretch?
• 2836[17:20:22] <jasonwc> it was a real hassle
• 2837[17:20:32] <stoned> I shall share my replaced-url
• 2838[17:20:43] <jelly> Shadow_7: fuck no
• 2839[17:20:45] <jasonwc> stoned: I tested upgrading from the jessie-backports ZFS packages (which are newer btw)
• 2840[17:20:47] <stoned> Before I upgrade, what do you think could issue a probolem and which of thes might be in debian by now
• 2841[17:20:52] <stoned> so I can use debian official
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• 2843[17:21:04] <jasonwc> stoned: That worked fine because official backports are compatible with Stretch
• 2844[17:21:12] <Shadow_7> Are we up to ext7 yet?
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• 2846[17:21:15] <stoned> good to know
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• 2848[17:21:25] <jelly> !slap Shadow_7
• 2849[17:21:25] * dpkg strikes a resounding *THWAP* across Shadow_7's face
• 2850[17:21:31] <jasonwc> stoned: The ZoL packages are no longer supported
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• 2853[17:22:18] <Shadow_7> But I need my file system version number to keep pace with my browser version
• 2854[17:22:28] <stoned> so, if I just remove zol packages, and hey
• 2855[17:22:30] <stoned> good news!
• 2856[17:22:30] <dannyLopez> Ill try the medium way, still Im a noob, & dont understand the chroot way. :(
• 2857[17:22:52] <stoned> replaced-url
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• 2861[17:23:13] <stoned> I did that a while ago, jelly said zol wasn't supported
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• 2863[17:23:17] <Shadow_7> dannyLopez: the chroot way isn't that hard. Just a lot of manual admin steps. Like setting a root password and installing a kernel to boot and login with.
• 2864[17:23:17] <stoned> I'm glad he did, now I can do upgrade
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• 2866[17:23:40] <stoned> jasonwc: thanks you so much!
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• 2868[17:24:02] <dannyLopez> Ill search this way Shadow_7 :)
• 2869[17:24:11] <n4dir> dannyLopez: what Shadow_7 said. In general you mainly copy and paste the commands. best might be to avoid thinking too much about why, etc
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• 2871[17:24:14] <jasonwc> stoned: NP, it wasn't a fun resolution
• 2872[17:24:21] <Shadow_7> dannyLopez: man debootstrap
• 2873[17:24:26] <stoned> jasonwc: did you see my sources.list?
• 2874[17:24:29] <jasonwc> stoned: So, you are on 0.6.5.8-2~bpo8+1?
• 2875[17:24:33] <stoned> yes
• 2876[17:24:55] <jasonwc> good, then you should be fine
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• 2878[17:24:58] <stoned> Cool
• 2879[17:25:13] <jasonwc> stoned: You still might want to search for all spl and zfs packges to make sure all the zol library packages are gone
• 2880[17:25:21] <jasonwc> stoned: they should be, but just to be safe
• 2881[17:25:23] <Shadow_7> other manual steps like /etc/fstab and /etc/apt/sources.list, plus creating users manually. But the advantage is that you can install firmware and network drivers long before you ever boot your install first time
• 2882[17:25:24] <stoned> jasonwc: how can I check this
• 2883[17:25:26] <dannyLopez> No manual entry for debootstrap
• 2884[17:25:34] <stoned> oh
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• 2887[17:26:06] <Shadow_7> dannyLopez: apt-get install debootstrap
• 2888[17:26:15] <stoned> dpkg -l | grep zfs gives only the ones in sprunge paste
• 2889[17:26:15] <dpkg> ii | grep zfs gives only the ones in sprunge paste 3.6-3 stoned's private stamp collection
• 2890[17:26:19] <stoned> huh
• 2891[17:26:21] <Shadow_7> it's not in the base system
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• 2893[17:26:44] <Shadow_7> You kind of need the debootstrap.deb to use it anyway
• 2894[17:26:48] <jasonwc> stoned: dpkg -query -l | grep zfs
• 2895[17:26:52] <dannyLopez> Shadow_7: Jajaja /var/lib/dpkg is block
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• 2897[17:27:01] <dannyLopez> Im not a sudoers
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• 2900[17:27:14] <n4dir> are we still speaking about recovering a forgotten root password? Why would one need debootstrap for that?
• 2901[17:27:17] <Shadow_7> dannyLopez: packages.debian.org and dpkg -x
• 2902[17:27:28] <jasonwc> stoned: all the packages should be bpo, not zol
• 2903[17:27:44] <jasonwc> the "zfsonlinux" trust package is harmless
• 2904[17:27:58] <stoned> jasonwc: it returns the identical list as dpkg -l
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• 2906[17:28:09] <jasonwc> stoned: replaced-url
• 2907[17:28:11] <stoned> dpkg-query is same output as dpkg -l when grep for zfs
• 2908[17:28:32] <stoned> i see
• 2909[17:28:33] <Shadow_7> dannyLopez: although ar -x works too. plus tar stuff
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• 2911[17:29:00] <jasonwc> stoned: dpkg-query without the -l doesn't work for me, odd
• 2912[17:29:13] <jasonwc> stoned: shouldn't you be on 0.6.5.9?
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• 2914[17:29:36] <jasonwc> stoned zfs-dkms/jessie-backports,now 0.6.5.9-2~bpo8+1 all [installed]
• 2915[17:29:36] <jasonwc> OpenZFS filesystem kernel modules for Linux
• 2916[17:29:39] <dannyLopez> BRB
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• 2926[17:31:13] <stoned> jasonwc: it seems all my packages are from jessie backports. I tried apt-cache policy but can't find the package source url
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• 2928[17:31:20] <stoned> how can I list the p ackage's source repo url or something
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• 2931[17:32:48] <jasonwc> stoned: apt search zfs
• 2932[17:32:56] <jasonwc> stoned: That will show you what repo is used for install
• 2933[17:33:04] <stoned> replaced-url
• 2934[17:33:06] <stoned> ok
• 2935[17:33:35] <jasonwc> stoned: I generally prefer using apt to apt-get as it has some newer features like color coding and progress bars, and is generally easier to use and read
• 2936[17:33:55] <stoned> replaced-url
• 2937[17:33:59] <jasonwc> the corresponding apt command is apt show zfs-dkms
• 2938[17:34:00] <stoned> Here's what I have listed by that
• 2939[17:34:19] <stoned> It still doesn't list the repository url a package would have been from
• 2940[17:34:33] <jasonwc> jessie-backports means it is the official one
• 2941[17:34:37] <stoned> usually the repo is in apt-cache policy but they return blank on these pakcages
• 2942[17:34:53] <jasonwc> ZoL was called jessie-zol or something
• 2943[17:34:55] <stoned> You said it was only in jessie backprots and not in jessie, but when 'jessie' alone is listed
• 2944[17:34:57] <jasonwc> I had the wheezy packges
• 2945[17:34:58] <stoned> what does that mean
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• 2948[17:35:11] <stoned> I see
• 2949[17:35:17] <jasonwc> stoned: ZFS never made it into jessie. It was added to sid after Jessie released so it is only in backports.
• 2950[17:35:26] <jasonwc> replaced-url
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• 2952[17:35:31] <jasonwc> See my bug report. it shows the file naming
• 2953[17:35:39] <stoned> Right. So when the dpkg -l lists 'jessie' and not bpo, what does that mean?
• 2954[17:35:47] <stoned> ok
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• 2956[17:35:51] <jasonwc> stoned: zfsutils 0.6.5.7-8-wheezy
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• 2958[17:36:08] <stoned> Ahh
• 2959[17:36:14] <stoned> you were from wheezy to jessie.
• 2960[17:36:17] <stoned> I gotcha.
• 2961[17:36:17] <jasonwc> stoned: send me your dpkg -l | grep zfs again
• 2962[17:36:24] <jasonwc> Yeah, I just recently upgraded
• 2963[17:36:34] <stoned> jasonwc: replaced-url
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• 2965[17:36:40] <jasonwc> I see ii libzfs2linux 0.6.5.9-2~bpo8+1 amd64 OpenZFS filesystem library for Linux
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• 2967[17:37:03] <Etothetaui> This is so frustrating
• 2968[17:37:05] <Tronymous> seeking extraction - in danger -- have new Mr. SnowFiles
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• 2970[17:37:33] <jasonwc> stoned: I can't read the names. I see this "ii debian-[01;31m[Kzfs[m[K 7~jessie amd64 Native ZFS filesystem metapackage for Debian."
• 2971[17:37:42] <jasonwc> that one looks like ZoL
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• 2974[17:38:14] <jasonwc> stoned: Also, I see zol, 0.6.5.7 and 0.6.5.8. jessie-backports is up to 0.6.5.9. Please apt update && apt-upgrade
• 2975[17:38:28] <jasonwc> apt update && apt upgrade
• 2976[17:38:42] <jasonwc> you have old packges
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• 2978[17:39:11] <jasonwc> stoned: Your zfs-dkms is from ZoL, not jessie-backports
• 2979[17:39:17] <jasonwc> Installed: 0.6.5.7-8-jessie
• 2980[17:39:18] <stoned> Oh.
• 2981[17:39:20] <jasonwc> That is ZoL
• 2982[17:39:26] <stoned> see, that's what I wondered.
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• 2984[17:40:07] <Etothetaui> because I'm using uefi I have to use the netinst iso and because I need some non-free firmware so I am using this iso replaced-url
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• 2986[17:40:18] <jasonwc> stoned: This is what you should see: replaced-url
• 2987[17:40:19] <no_gravity> Hello! Is it possible to have multiline comments in /etc/hosts ?
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• 2989[17:40:38] <Etothetaui> the regular netints iso works but it needs non-free firmware
• 2990[17:40:45] <stoned> jasonwc: I shall remove zfs completely.
• 2991[17:40:57] <stoned> I shall upgrade, then install zfs again and mount my thingy.
• 2992[17:40:57] <jasonwc> stoned: Are you running ZFS root?
• 2993[17:41:00] <stoned> seems easiest
• 2994[17:41:02] <stoned> no i am not
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• 2996[17:41:15] <jasonwc> stoned: In that case, zpool export [poolname]
• 2997[17:41:28] <jasonwc> stoned: sudo apt remove zfs-dkms
• 2998[17:41:32] <jasonwc> see if that removes everything
• 2999[17:41:36] <jasonwc> what does it ask to remove?
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• 3004[17:42:32] <jasonwc> stoned: as long as you hve the jessie-backports installed, it shouldn't interfere with an upgrade. It didn't, even with a ZFS root FS.
• 3005[17:43:08] <jasonwc> the jessie-backports packages installed. The issue with the ZoL packges is that the file naming conflicts with the ZFS packages in Debian's official packages.
• 3006[17:43:14] <stoned> well the fs is busy right now
• 3007[17:43:16] <jasonwc> so, the upgrade fails
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• 3009[17:43:21] <stoned> hang on
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• 3012[17:43:28] <stoned> I gotta umount the zfs pool
• 3013[17:43:37] <jasonwc> stoned: zpool export will unmount
• 3014[17:43:40] <n4dir> no_gravity: <<COMMENT next lines come the comments end with COMMENT on a line on it's own
• 3015[17:43:46] <Etothetaui> is there a way I can add iwlwifi to the netint iso?
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• 3017[17:43:57] <Etothetaui> cause I downloaded the .deb file
• 3018[17:44:35] <n4dir> probably more easy to see it: replaced-url
• 3019[17:45:01] <stoned> jasonwc: replaced-url
• 3020[17:45:09] <stoned> any clean way to umount or do I kill
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• 3022[17:46:06] <beastwick> Is it possible to compile arm binaries on amd64 platform? I want to compile software packages for my Raspberry Pi on Debian.
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• 3028[17:47:29] <jasonwc> stoned: Make sure to close anything accessing the pool, including closing any shell windows or nautilus windows. Run the export again. If that doesn't work: zpool export -f poolname
• 3029[17:48:00] <Shadow_7> beastwick: debian has armel hat will run on pi B's. And armhf that should work for newest one.
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• 3032[17:48:32] <jasonwc> stoned That work?
• 3033[17:48:32] <Shadow_7> pi B is arm v6, armel is v4 and armhf is v7
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• 3040[17:49:17] <dannyLopez> Tks so much. I edit the grub entri & finaly Im root
• 3041[17:49:22] <jasonwc> beastwick: replaced-url
• 3042[17:49:29] <n4dir> beastwick: i sure got no idea of it, only hear about it now and then:
• 3043[17:49:31] <n4dir> !cross
• 3044[17:49:31] <dpkg> [cross] replaced-url
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• 3046[17:49:46] <beastwick> ty
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• 3048[17:50:41] <dannyLopez> Now, I remember a old funny problem. :O
• 3049[17:51:09] <wgrm> dannyLopez, what parameter did you add to login as root? Recoverymode asks for root password as far as i remember.
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• 3052[17:51:47] <stoned> jasonwc: no, can't seem to force either, I closed everything
• 3053[17:52:12] <jasonwc> stoned: What error does it give you?
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• 3055[17:52:54] <jasonwc> stoned: Oh, have you stopped any services that rely on the ZFS pool to be connected?
• 3056[17:53:06] <jasonwc> stoned: for example, plexmediaserver, samba, mysql
• 3057[17:53:11] <dannyLopez> wgrm: In grub choice, press e to edit and add init=/bin/bash at the final line, this line start whit linux...
• 3058[17:53:16] <dannyLopez> !#debian: I have 2 video cards, one Intel onboard and |
• 3059[17:53:37] <jasonwc> stoned: you will likely need to stop samba at a minimum. I need to stop samba and plexmediaserver
• 3060[17:53:56] <jasonwc> and/or NFS
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• 3062[17:54:42] <wgrm> dannyLopez, that sounds like "systemprivileges". I'll give this a try. Thx.
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• 3065[17:56:04] <dannyLopez> !#debian: I have 2 video cards, one Intel onboard and other external NVidia, install the NVidia drivers and all works fine, but when start a TTY, change the display to show, I mean I have only a display connected to NVidia, to see the TTYs have to unplug the display and connect to onboard port.
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• 3074[18:00:21] <dannyLopez> wgrm: replaced-url
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• 3101[18:10:09] <beastwick> So I am going to try cross compiling, but to cheat a little, I am going to use QEMU to run Raspbian and compile that way. Bad idea?
• 3102[18:10:56] <beastwick> well by cheat a little, I'll learn how to do it, but in the meantime do it with QEMU.
• 3103[18:11:23] <jmd> What's the most recent release?
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• 3105[18:12:13] <beastwick> of debian?
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• 3113[18:14:42] <Etothetaui> 8.7.1
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• 3157[18:33:36] <jhutchins_wk> ,v grub2
• 3158[18:33:37] <judd> Package: grub2 on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.99-27+deb7u3; wheezy-security: 1.99-27+deb7u3; jessie: 2.02~beta2-22+deb8u1; jessie-security: 2.02~beta2-22+deb8u1; sid: 2.02~beta3-5; stretch: 2.02~beta3-5
• 3159[18:33:43] <bezaban> ,v blender
• 3160[18:33:44] <judd> Package: blender on amd64 -- wheezy: 2.63a-1+deb7u1; jessie: 2.72.b+dfsg0-3; jessie-backports: 2.74+dfsg0-4~bpo8+1; sid: 2.78.a+dfsg0-4; stretch: 2.78.a+dfsg0-4
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• 3167[18:35:16] <sgage> I installed Devuan jessie from the Beta 2 CD, selected MATE, and did not encounter any problems with unmet dependencies.
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• 3175[18:39:35] <stoned> jasonwc: I took the desktop and cleaned it out w/ air, back now, and restarted, zfs disk is not mounted, and if I try to remove libzfs it wants to remove debian-zfs grub-common grub-pc grub-pc-bin grub2-common libzfs2 zfsutils
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• 3177[18:40:08] <toogley> is there some reliable command line program to indent xml files?
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• 3179[18:40:33] <stoned> toogley: html tidy
• 3180[18:40:37] <stoned> i think may work on xml
• 3181[18:41:04] <stoned> universalindentgui
• 3182[18:41:37] <toogley> stoned: thanks
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• 3188[18:43:31] <n4dir> i would assume that vim autoindentation works for xml too.
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• 3190[18:45:25] <jmd> toogley: xmllint
• 3191[18:45:50] <jmd> You could also do it with emacs.
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• 3193[18:47:01] <stoned> jasonwc: replaced-url
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• 3198[18:47:54] <stoned> I think that looks okay, right?
• 3199[18:47:59] <stoned> all the zfsonlinux stuff should be gone by now
• 3200[18:48:02] <FinalX> how can I see what changed in apache 2.4.10-10+deb8u8 ? unattended upgrades upgraded from 2.4.10-10+deb8u7 and hundreds of sites started doing redirect loops now.. it's not even a minor version upgrade..
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• 3202[18:48:34] <FinalX> ...downgrading from +deb8u8 to +deb8u7 fixes it..
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• 3205[18:49:12] <stoned> Also, the zfs on linux packages are marked rc, config still exists, should I purge it or leave it?
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• 3207[18:51:17] <FinalX> most important configuration stuff of zfs volumes is stored on the disks themselves, might have left behind a cache file for auto import, which is not required to make things work. can always re-import pools again later
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• 3214[18:53:52] <FinalX> replaced-url
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• 3226[18:59:38] <toogley> jmd: thanks
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• 3233[19:01:37] <n-iCe> hi
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• 3269[19:15:47] <Della> Hello
• 3270[19:16:00] <Della> I have an issue when running "sudo apt-get update"
• 3271[19:16:19] <mtn> !ask
• 3272[19:16:19] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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• 3279[19:18:00] *** debhelper sets mode: +l 1669
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• 3282[19:18:33] <Della> mtn: I am pasting the output in a pastebin
• 3283[19:19:03] <Della> replaced-url
• 3284[19:19:13] <Della> That is it, for some reason it doesn't continue...
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• 3291[19:21:13] <greycat> Why do you have jessie lines *and* wheezy-volatile lines?
• 3292[19:21:35] <greycat> And oh dear god, ppa.* lines
• 3293[19:21:41] <Della> I have no idea
• 3294[19:21:42] <mtn> Della, and the virtualbox source has a keyring problem
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• 3297[19:21:56] <Della> What should I do to fix all of this?
• 3298[19:22:17] <greycat> First, decide which release you are running.
• 3299[19:23:06] <Della> I don't know, probably the newest
• 3300[19:23:10] <Della> Jessie right?
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• 3302[19:23:30] <greycat> So you could start by commenting out every line that has "wheezy"
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• 3304[19:24:08] <Della> Commenting from where?
• 3305[19:24:15] <greycat> in /etc/apt/sources.list
• 3306[19:24:22] <Della> Ok
• 3307[19:24:24] <Della> Let me do that
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• 3312[19:25:43] <Della> Ok
• 3313[19:25:44] <Della> Done
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• 3318[19:28:48] <Della> greycat: what now?
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• 3320[19:29:16] <greycat> Try the apt-get update again. But if one of your weird sources (virtualbox, ppa.*, google) is acting up, then you have choices to make.
• 3321[19:29:18] <mtn> Della, try running update again
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• 3323[19:30:05] <Della> I did run it again.
• 3324[19:30:12] <Della> Should I send the output?
• 3325[19:30:39] <mtn> of course
• 3326[19:31:40] <Della> replaced-url
• 3327[19:32:40] <mtn> Della, you still have wheezy line and vbox has a problem. here is a basic source: replaced-url
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• 3332[19:34:24] <Della> mtn: I removed my source.list file and pasted the 6 line example you sent, still getting some crazy error from wheezy
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• 3337[19:35:10] <CutMeOwnThroat> you have to re-run apt-get update for the change to take effect
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• 3339[19:35:19] <mtn> Della, maybe you have a line in a subdirectory, besides the normal sources.list
• 3340[19:35:36] <Della> I did CutMeOwnThroat
• 3341[19:35:37] <greycat> look in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/
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• 3343[19:35:45] <mtn> Della, you have addes some non-debian lines somewhere
• 3344[19:36:01] <Della> greycat: empty
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• 3347[19:36:16] <Della> mtn: LOL, I have no idea where though...
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• 3349[19:36:48] <greycat> ls .d is empty then it would have to be in sources.list, right? or included/sourced from there
• 3350[19:37:00] <Della> Oh
• 3351[19:37:00] <mtn> Della, paste your sources.list to dpaste.com
• 3352[19:37:06] <Della> greycat: it is not empty
• 3353[19:37:10] <Della> My mistake
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• 3355[19:37:13] <greycat> 13:35 greycat> look in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/
• 3356[19:37:14] <greycat> 13:36 Della> greycat: empty
• 3357[19:37:15] <mtn> heh
• 3358[19:37:22] <Della> I know, sorry
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• 3361[19:37:56] <Della> replaced-url
• 3362[19:38:00] *** debhelper sets mode: +l 1675
• 3363[19:38:01] <Della> Which ones should I remove?
• 3364[19:38:45] <mtn> Della, I would say all of them, but....
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• 3370[19:39:09] <Della> mtn: What will happen if I delete all of them?
• 3371[19:39:14] <mtn> Della, replaced-url
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• 3373[19:39:29] <mtn> Della, then those sources will no longer be seen or used
• 3374[19:40:24] <Della> mtn: Would that break my system?
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• 3376[19:40:36] <ppedro> your apt at least :-p
• 3377[19:40:44] <Della> Hm
• 3378[19:40:52] <ppedro> ah nvm, dont mind me
• 3379[19:40:59] <mtn> Della, no, it won't break anything
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• 3381[19:41:02] <CutMeOwnThroat> urgh, therE's even dead snakes in it…
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• 3383[19:41:43] <Della> mtn: I deleted the wheezy ones but I am still getting errors from virtual box
• 3384[19:41:47] <Della> Should I delete them too?
• 3385[19:41:58] <mtn> Della, of course
• 3386[19:42:06] <Della> I am learning debian the rough way
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• 3388[19:42:14] <Della> Hahahah
• 3389[19:42:27] <mtn> Della, well, the way it was setup before you added all that junk it was working fine
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• 3391[19:42:42] <Della> I know...
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• 3393[19:42:54] <mtn> Della, make sure you read this: replaced-url
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• 3395[19:43:15] <Della> as CutMeOwnThroat said: I have deadsnakes in it
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• 3397[19:43:45] <CutMeOwnThroat> basically… a lot… a LOT of responsibility rests on the people building the packages that you install on your system
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• 3400[19:44:34] <CutMeOwnThroat> so it is best to stick to the main debian repos as much as possible which are subject to the debian quality control
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• 3402[19:44:54] <Della> CutMeOwnThroat: OK, thanks
• 3403[19:45:01] <CutMeOwnThroat> and think abut each case in which you don't
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• 3406[19:46:34] <Della> I deleted all of them
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• 3408[19:46:47] <Della> This fills good
• 3409[19:47:19] <Della> mtn & greycat & CutMeOwnThroat: Thanks for the help!
• 3410[19:47:21] <CutMeOwnThroat> you still have the packages you installed from there…
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• 3413[19:48:10] <Della> Hm, yes. I guess
• 3414[19:48:36] <Della> CutMeOwnThroat: is it too complicated to reset my whole system?
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• 3417[19:48:42] <Della> Just keep a fresh Debian?
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• 3420[19:48:53] <drasko> hi all, I have installed replaced-url
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• 3427[19:52:11] <ppedro> Della I dont know if it's wise, but most of my linux-starting-days were install and reinstall. :-P
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• 3429[19:52:41] <ppedro> And many times I know what to do to get it working, but I find starting from scratch better. x)
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• 3432[19:55:47] <somiaj> drasko: type 'which go' what do you get?
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• 3435[19:56:32] <drasko> somiaj, thanks, I just saw this: replaced-url
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• 3438[19:57:00] <stoned> apt-listchanges said something about mozilla.
• 3439[19:57:08] <somiaj> drasko: dpkg -S path/to/file is useful to see what package owns a file, dpkg -L packagenmae lists all the files provided by package name.
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• 3442[19:57:31] <somiaj> stoned: this should be in the /usr/share/doc/packagename/NEWS.gz or Changelog files
• 3443[19:57:53] <somiaj> stoned: sometimes NEWS.Debian or Changelog.Debian
• 3444[19:57:55] <stoned> ok thanks, I missed it and pressed smething
• 3445[19:57:57] <stoned> i'll find it
• 3446[19:58:25] <stoned> I just upgraded my computer to l atest debian jessie, then going to do upgrade to stretch
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• 3460[20:03:35] <somiaj> stoned: if you had an older jessie install that missed the iceweasel -> firefox transition that might be all the news was telling you
• 3461[20:04:05] <FinalX> as to my earlier question, found it with help of someone on #httpd, it's because of the CVC on anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-apache/apache2.git/tree/debian/changelog?h=jessie .. the first one
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• 3474[20:09:35] <dannyLopez> I have 2 video cards, one Intel onboard and other external NVidia, install the NVidia drivers and all works fine, but when start a TTY, change the display to show, I mean I have only a display connected to NVidia, to see the TTYs have to unplug the display and connect to onboard port.
• 3475[20:10:03] <stoned> is it still dist-upgrade from one to next, or some other thing now?
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• 3480[20:10:29] <stoned> apt-get dist-upgrade
• 3481[20:10:35] <stoned> !jessie->stretch
• 3482[20:10:39] <stoned> hm.
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• 3485[20:11:06] <somiaj> stoned: the difference between upgrade and dist-upgrade is detailed in the man page, this is about weither or not apt is allowed to install/remove packages during the upgrade
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• 3487[20:11:27] <somiaj> as for aptitude vs apt, I thikn apt-get is genrally better at dist-upgrades, but not always.
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• 3489[20:11:34] <stoned> replaced-url
• 3490[20:11:35] <stoned> problems
• 3491[20:11:37] <stoned> let's see
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• 3493[20:12:42] <somiaj> stoned: do you have any third party sources enabled (what is the output of apt-cache policy) -- also third party packages can also cause problems with the upgade
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• 3500[20:15:17] <stoned> Ok
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• 3503[20:15:32] <stoned> I switched back to jessie soruces.list, updated, then removed rndss package, and kscreen package.
• 3504[20:15:38] <jhutchins_wk> somiaj: Does upgrade still skip kernel upgrades, while full- or dist- applies them?
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• 3516[20:22:16] <wgrm> Oh, video cards. I've got a current question on that! I have an ivybridge with intel hd 4000 and an amd/ati card. If i start the pc with the Intel HD initialized everything works fine. Even glxgears works. But if i start VirtualBox it crashes just before displaying the virtualized desktop. Anyone any idea on that?
• 3517[20:22:19] <CutMeOwnThroat> Della, there is no simple way to remove packages systematically… and there probably was some reason you installed them in the first place. I think it is likely (or likelier) that you run into problems when you upgrade to stretch when it has become stable… at that point, it may indeed be easier to reinstall than anything. You can "save" your installed packages, though… /msg dpkg debian clone to see how that works
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• 3520[20:22:57] <Della> Thanks dude
• 3521[20:23:03] <somiaj> jhutchins_wk: If the upgrade will requrie installing a new kernel package (kernel main version changes) yes.
• 3522[20:23:44] <somiaj> jhutchins_wk: I think aptitude upgrade is a bit different, it will install some new packages, unlike apt-get which has a much clear distinction if my memory serves me well
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• 3527[20:25:37] <CutMeOwnThroat> jhutchins_wk, it only works that way if you are tracking the version-less kernel meta package… and then it's just that upgrade will refuse to install new packages that aren't already installed
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• 3531[20:27:26] <CutMeOwnThroat> hm, interesting, seems like aptitude would do that, and only refuse to remove packages
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• 3533[20:27:56] <somiaj> yea aptitude upgrade vs full-upgrade vs safe-upgrade distinction is not the same as apt-get
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• 3538[20:29:36] <CutMeOwnThroat> wait, upgrade and safe-upgrade are not the same?
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• 3545[20:30:34] <somiaj> ahh guess they are the same, and there is a --no-new-installs flag you can use with safe-upgrade = upgrade to get apt-gets behavior
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• 3550[20:31:24] <redrabbit> what's the diff between apt and aptitude
• 3551[20:31:36] <redrabbit> apt/apt-get
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• 3554[20:31:51] <SpeccyMan> itude
• 3555[20:31:54] <somiaj> redrabbit: a lot in terms of the logic they use and how they deal with dependencies.
• 3556[20:32:13] <redrabbit> never really used aptitude
• 3557[20:32:26] <somiaj> redrabbit: if you mean apt/apt-get vs aptitude. There is also apt vs apt-get, and apt is taking apt-get, apt-cache, etchand putting it into a single command, but it does have some small differences from apt-get
• 3558[20:32:27] <redrabbit> back i the days i screwed an install using both
• 3559[20:32:29] <redrabbit> ^^
• 3560[20:32:41] <redrabbit> was like 10 years ago so i don't know about now
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• 3562[20:32:51] <somiaj> redrabbit: that was only a small time window where they didn't use the same database, they now use the same database and the difference is features and logic.
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• 3564[20:33:04] <somiaj> redrabbit: /msg dpkg why apt-get, why aptitude why not apt-get why not aptitude for some short things
• 3565[20:33:54] <somiaj> redrabbit: in general aptitude is slower but can sometimes figure out more complicated dependency issues, aptitude has a much supperior searching capability that cna be used with install/remove commands to give a lot more power, aptitude also has a curses ui you can use
• 3566[20:34:17] <redrabbit> i always used apt-get
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• 3568[20:34:24] <redrabbit> didnt put much thought to it
• 3569[20:34:44] <somiaj> now you can just type apt, 4 less characters to type
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• 3571[20:34:52] <somiaj> apt upgrade, apt search, apt install, etc
• 3572[20:34:53] <redrabbit> i did it for a while
• 3573[20:35:00] <redrabbit> but i always end up typing apt-get
• 3574[20:35:03] <redrabbit> its a reflex
• 3575[20:35:11] <somiaj> me too
• 3576[20:35:18] <redrabbit> so i gave it up
• 3577[20:35:19] <redrabbit> :D
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• 3581[20:36:07] * redrabbit chats with mr. dpkg
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• 3590[20:40:42] <CutMeOwnThroat> redrabbit, basically aptitude has a much more … sophisticated dependency resolution… which can be good for solving conflicts… or can be bad, if you try to do stable->stable upgrades and it takes forever trying to solve the full dependency matrix
• 3591[20:41:41] <CutMeOwnThroat> (and I feel all the other differences are just frippery)
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• 3593[20:42:29] <somiaj> The only time I end up using aptitude is for its complicated search/package matching abilities
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• 3598[20:43:04] <grafdiffuzor> Hi! I'm on Stretch / XFCE 4.12. Currently when I do `dm-tool lock` it gives me lightdm login prompt. Same when I re-open lid of laptop. How can I switch to XScreenSaver unlock prompt?
• 3599[20:43:17] <Shadow_7> I tend to use dselect for that stuff.
• 3600[20:43:27] <Shadow_7> Or tasksel if I'm lazy
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• 3602[20:44:22] <stoned> Finally, after much hackery! I was finally able to get from jessie to stretch w/o giving me errors
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• 3607[20:46:43] <CutMeOwnThroat> somiaj, only it may be quicker to write your owser than look up the syntax in the README.Debian?
• 3608[20:46:57] <stoned> 2308 upgraded, 691 newly installed, 181 to remove and 1 not upgraded. Need to get 3,972 MB of archives. After this operation, 2,741 MB of additional disk space will be used.
• 3609[20:47:00] <stoned> That's a lot!
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• 3611[20:47:56] <somiaj> CutMeOwnThroat: I just look it up in google, replaced-url
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• 3615[20:48:17] <somiaj> stoned: not really, debian has 20,000+ packags, so you only have a bit more than 10% of them.
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• 3618[20:48:51] <stoned> somiaj: replaced-url
• 3619[20:49:03] <stoned> This is what hapepend when I try to upgrade. that's alot. How can I cut this down
• 3620[20:49:14] <stoned> I probably don't need this may p ackets
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• 3623[20:50:00] <somiaj> stoned: when you upgrade from jessie->stretch you have to upgrade basically every package you have installed
• 3624[20:50:12] <somiaj> stoned: so there is no way to cut it down, unless you have a lot of stuff installed you don't really use anymore.
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• 3626[20:50:20] <stoned> somiaj: right, I want to maybe remove some packages, before I upgrade
• 3627[20:50:24] <somiaj> there is also a lot of packages to be removed afterwards
• 3628[20:50:26] <somiaj> stoned: up to you
• 3629[20:50:27] <stoned> things I might not need anymore
• 3630[20:50:47] <stoned> is there a gui sofware which can list all the installed pcaktes only, in categories, so I can select and mark them for removal?
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• 3632[20:51:23] <CutMeOwnThroat> just throw out libmono an everything that depends on it :-}
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• 3634[20:51:38] <CutMeOwnThroat> stoned, aptitude …
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• 3636[20:51:57] <stoned> ok
• 3637[20:51:58] <stoned> doig it now
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• 3639[20:52:19] <stoned> apt-get remove ^.*libmono*
• 3640[20:52:23] <stoned> Because I'm crazy.
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• 3643[20:52:30] <stoned> I have no idea what mono would be used for.
• 3644[20:52:34] <stoned> I don't use c# stuff.
• 3645[20:52:48] <somiaj> deborphan may help
• 3646[20:53:00] <stoned> apt-get --purge remove $(deborphan)
• 3647[20:53:05] <stoned> I did that too
• 3648[20:53:17] <somiaj> wine uses mono for the net-2.0 or whatever windows framework that is
• 3649[20:53:39] <stoned> ahh. I see. I neve rused it. I remvoed wine and all tht :386 packates which prevented upgrade
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• 3652[20:53:50] <stoned> might could help other people w/ upgrade. going through it now
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• 3655[20:54:41] <stoned> what else can I remove? you saw the thing CutMeOwnThroat ?
• 3656[20:54:53] <CutMeOwnThroat> uh… I wasn't really serious about that… not fully… or maybe yes… mono being some horrible windowsy thing
• 3657[20:55:07] <CutMeOwnThroat> that's why the evil smiley was there
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• 3660[20:55:15] <stoned> I want to cut down on my pckage list and all the ones I probably don't need
• 3661[20:56:26] <jhutchins_wk> Ideally you would know every package installed and why it's there. It's been a long time since I printed out a sorted package list and went through that exercise though.
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• 3663[20:56:49] <stoned> Yeah, over the last 2 yeasr I got lazy and just had a bunch of crap get installed which I definitely don't need or use.
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• 3665[20:58:01] <Etothetaui> in debian xfce how do I make a user an admin?
• 3666[20:58:05] <jhutchins_wk> I know I have a ton of cruft that probably won't even get cleared out when I upgrade to 64b.
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• 3668[20:58:26] <jhutchins_wk> Etothetaui: There is no such thing as an admin.
• 3669[20:58:32] <Etothetaui> *sudoer
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• 3672[20:59:12] <jhutchins_wk> Etothetaui: What are you using for su?
• 3673[20:59:22] <Etothetaui> what?
• 3674[20:59:28] <Etothetaui> I have a root user
• 3675[20:59:32] <Etothetaui> and a second user
• 3676[20:59:41] <Etothetaui> and I want to be able to use sudo from the second user
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• 3678[21:00:02] <jhutchins_wk> In console only? Generally it's a Bad Idea to run GUI apps as root.
• 3679[21:00:06] <missmbob> you just add the user to group sudo
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• 3683[21:01:17] <missmbob> useradd -G sudo username
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• 3686[21:02:24] <jhutchins_wk> It seems like gsudo and ksudo (whatever they're called these days) never required a special group membership.
• 3687[21:02:30] <stoned> Need to get 849 MB of archives. <- wow!
• 3688[21:02:32] <jhutchins_wk> Am I wrong about that?
• 3689[21:02:41] <stoned> that mono stuff look a lot of space!
• 3690[21:03:10] <stoned> from Need to get 3,972 MB of archives to 849. This makes more sense.
• 3691[21:03:10] <somiaj> gsudo, etc should just use sudo with the difference of prserving the xorg enviroment better than just pure sudo
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• 3694[21:03:58] <it0> Hi everyone, hope you're all doing fine ;)
• 3695[21:04:22] <CutMeOwnThroat> huh, hope you checked what all the stuff was that you removed
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• 3697[21:05:12] <stoned> I have my configs backed up. worst come to worst, I'll reinstall from stretch.
• 3698[21:05:16] <stoned> shouldn't though.
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• 3704[21:06:40] <Etothetaui> missmbob it says user already exists
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• 3706[21:07:18] <missmbob> then that's it. log out and back in
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• 3708[21:07:51] <CutMeOwnThroat> hm, would be interesting to collect a statistics of the commands you called during the last 4 months or so… and from that get a package list of packages (including dependencies, of course) you use… and a list of packages you just don't
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• 3715[21:08:36] <Etothetaui> missmbob, that still doesnt work
• 3716[21:08:43] <Etothetaui> it says user is not in sudoers file
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• 3724[21:11:01] <somiaj> Etothetaui: type groups, does it list 'sudo'
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• 3732[21:14:00] <Etothetaui> nope just root
• 3733[21:14:14] <jasonwc> stoned: you can remove all those packages
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• 3736[21:14:47] <jasonwc> stoned Sorry for the late reply. it actually installed its own specific version of grub-pc, which is why it'll be removed. you will then want to install the one from jessie
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• 3738[21:15:25] <jasonwc> stoned did you run apt-get auto-remove?
• 3739[21:15:36] <jasonwc> sorry, apt-get autoremove
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• 3742[21:16:04] <jasonwc> jasonwc: it doesn't look like you removed zfs-dkms
• 3743[21:16:42] <jasonwc> lol, sorry, that was meant for you stoned
• 3744[21:17:11] <jasonwc> stoned You may find it easier to just search for zfs in synaptic and remove any packages there.
• 3745[21:17:40] <jasonwc> stoned, once that is done you can install from jessie-backports with "sudo apt install zfs-dkms"
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• 3747[21:18:25] <jasonwc> actually, you'll need to define the source, so apt-get install -t jessie-backports zfs-dkms
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• 3749[21:18:47] <jasonwc> See replaced-url
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• 3754[21:23:13] <stoned> jasonwc: I remvoed all zfs, and many other packages, before I upgrade to stretch. Once on stretch, I will isntall what I need.
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• 3756[21:24:16] <jasonwc> stoned got it, sounds good
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• 3758[21:24:35] <jasonwc> stoned I think you'll have far fewer problems by removing any 3rd party packages first
• 3759[21:24:49] <jasonwc> especially if Debian now provides packages for those applications
• 3760[21:24:59] <jasonwc> good luck
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• 3765[21:27:27] <jasonwc> stoned: I would do a clonezilla or dd backup first so that you can easily restore if there are issues. Reading the release notes from jessie will also give you an idea how to fix issues, if you have them. It's how I resolved the ZFS problem file conflicting file names.
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• 3769[21:28:52] <stoned> jasonwc: worst come to worst, I'll do a clean stretch install. my configs are all backed up. I should really learn ansible and make a config file for my system.
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• 3774[21:30:05] <stoned> jasonwc: replaced-url
• 3775[21:30:38] <stoned> sources alrady changed to stretch, so while cleaning, it's installing from stretch as it neds. after cleaning, I'll do a full upgrade and reboto and find/fix any isues then, and reinstall zfs and etc.
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• 3777[21:31:31] <jasonwc> that's a lot of package removals
• 3778[21:31:37] <stoned> yup
• 3779[21:31:38] <stoned> p
• 3780[21:31:44] <jasonwc> did you do apt upgrade prior to apt dist-upgrade?
• 3781[21:31:56] <stoned> yes, to ltest jessie.
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• 3783[21:32:07] <stoned> no
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• 3788[21:33:10] <jasonwc> stoned I would review this
• 3789[21:33:12] <jasonwc> replaced-url
• 3790[21:33:16] <jasonwc> It helped me
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• 3793[21:33:39] <jasonwc> apt-get upgrade allows for a minimal system upgrade before doing a full distribtuion upgrade
• 3794[21:33:42] <zh1> debian installer, still don't like it... maybe it's the design, maybe it's the fast install process...
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• 3796[21:34:19] <stoned> I have tried so many installed in so many distrubituions
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• 3799[21:34:27] <stoned> debian is the best installer , no nonsense.
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• 3802[21:35:05] <Xorin_5s5> Hi guys, can someone advise what's the best practice in configuring an office server (for two web sites, ftp and file server). Making two vm's in KVM, one for web and one for storage is a good approach? I have no experience designing a server for an office.
• 3803[21:35:39] <greycat> Why ... in the hell ... would you just straight to "hey let's make VMs"
• 3804[21:35:56] <greycat> How about you just install Debian and configure the services you want to run?
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• 3806[21:35:59] <stoned> greycat: no experience
• 3807[21:36:04] <jasonwc> Virtualization is going to hurt storage performance from the benchmarks I've seen
• 3808[21:36:13] <jasonwc> unless you're giving it raw devices to work with
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• 3811[21:36:49] <jasonwc> I don't see what the benefit would be of two VMs here.
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• 3818[21:37:06] <jasonwc> are you doing it for security?
• 3819[21:37:30] <somiaj> Xorin_5s5: virtualization is useful if you want to isolate stuff from each other a little more, but will come at a preformance cost. In your case it may not be needed since one debian install can do multiple things, as greycat pointed out.
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• 3822[21:37:41] <stoned> he probably wants lxc containers for services
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• 3824[21:37:45] <stoned> like docker or something
• 3825[21:37:47] <stoned> not fully fledged vms
• 3826[21:37:51] <Xorin_5s5> Frankly I just wanted to throw a Linux and get everything up and running but "some advisers" suggested that that in today's world everything is VM's
• 3827[21:37:51] <somiaj> even then, may not be needed.
• 3828[21:37:56] <stoned> to compartmentalize sites
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• 3831[21:38:13] <greycat> I guess I'm not in today's world, then.
• 3832[21:38:23] <missmbob> Xorin_5s5: that's silly
• 3833[21:38:24] <jasonwc> sounds like marketing BS
• 3834[21:38:37] <somiaj> Xorin_5s5: if you have access to physical hardware I wouldn't worry about a vm here. Many people just rent a vps as their 'install', and in this case they still have a single debian install, but are working inside a vm on a host from their prvoider.
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• 3836[21:38:55] <somiaj> or just people who only use vps servers and say a windows/mac desktop.
• 3837[21:38:58] <teraflops> containers are not about security
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• 3839[21:39:37] <jasonwc> Virtualization is going to provide lower performance and a more complicated setup for no real gain, since you haven't specified a need for it.
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• 3841[21:39:46] <jasonwc> You can easily operate a storage server and a web server on the same hardware
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• 3845[21:40:14] <Xorin_5s52> Is not that complicated, no security levels needed
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• 3847[21:40:56] <missmbob> Xorin_5s5: there's no reason for it. you're just doing it because "advisers" told you VM's are cool
• 3848[21:41:09] <Xorin_5s52> Thanks a lot guy's I think you all made it very clear
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• 3867[21:56:25] <nickgaw> Hi, I have a western digital my book with encryption turned on using their smart ware tool under windows is there a way under linux I can access my encrypted drive if I know the password or do I have to turn off encryption every time I wish to use it under linux?
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• 3870[21:59:00] <SerajewelKS> nickgaw: the encryption/unlocking is done in hardware, using a proprietary driver. to my knowledge, there is no linux implementation.
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• 3872[21:59:43] <PryMar56> nickgaw, if there is no linux support here, then good luck: replaced-url
• 3873[21:59:47] <nickgaw> Have you heard of drives like this before?
• 3874[22:00:17] <SerajewelKS> nickgaw: it's reminiscent of iomega zip drives and their locking feature, though WD drives actually do AES-256 (but poorly)
• 3875[22:00:25] <jasonwc> The RC bug count for Stretch appears to have gone up in the last few days but the main page says, "NO release-critical bugs were closed and NONE were opened." Am I misremembering
• 3876[22:00:51] <missmbob> jasonwc: it's gone up. i saw 212
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• 3878[22:01:03] <jasonwc> yeah, now it's 231
• 3879[22:01:17] <nkuttler> jasonwc: severity can change
• 3880[22:01:20] <jasonwc> although it was much higher at this point in the Jessie and Wheezy development cycle
• 3881[22:01:30] <SerajewelKS> nickgaw: unless they have addressed it prior to the manufacture of your drive, there are only 2^40 possible drive encryption keys, which can be pretty easily brute-forced
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• 3883[22:01:39] <nickgaw> So just unlock the drive or contact western digital and ask them about why they don't have a linux driver? as their phone support is pritty much useless?
• 3884[22:01:52] <SerajewelKS> nickgaw: so drive encryption is only going to protect you from people who don't know what they are doing (kids, friends, etc.)
• 3885[22:02:04] <jasonwc> SerajewelKS: Isn't there an open standard for hardware encryption of harddrives and SSDs that WD could have used?
• 3886[22:02:16] <jasonwc> SED/
• 3887[22:02:17] <jasonwc> ?
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• 3889[22:02:44] <SerajewelKS> jasonwc: possibly, i'm not sure it would have mattered. the problem is that the PRNG chip that generates the drive encryption key is not cryptographically secure.
• 3890[22:03:00] <SerajewelKS> any crypto system is more or less useless with an insecure PRNG
• 3891[22:03:07] <jasonwc> I'm thinking of this: replaced-url
• 3892[22:03:11] <nickgaw> I know my password so I can always turn off encryption then turn it back on later but the entire point of buying this drive was because of the encryption and I don't want to use software based encryption
• 3893[22:03:19] <jasonwc> dm-crypt uses AES-NI, so it should be very fast
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• 3895[22:03:34] <jasonwc> so, not sure why the hardware encryption is needed
• 3896[22:03:37] <SerajewelKS> nickgaw: you should have purchased a drive with non-broken and linux-compatible hardware encryption then ;)
• 3897[22:04:04] <SerajewelKS> jasonwc: i think portability to a windows system might also be a requirement. not outright stated, but implied.
• 3898[22:04:11] <SerajewelKS> in which case dm-crypt would not be a solution
• 3899[22:04:16] <jasonwc> nickgaw: Why don't you want to use hardware encryption? On an overclocked core i5, I can do 4 GB/sec encryption/decrypiton with AES-NI
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• 3902[22:04:37] <jasonwc> SerajewelKS: In that case, veracrypt?
• 3903[22:04:41] <SerajewelKS> nickgaw: maybe you should take a step back and tell us what you are trying to accomplish at a high level
• 3904[22:04:44] <nickgaw> I do want to use hardware encryption not software only encryption
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• 3907[22:04:58] <jasonwc> nickgaw: Why?
• 3908[22:05:17] <jasonwc> SerajewelKS just informed you that the PRNG the drive uses is broken, so it's not secure
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• 3910[22:05:44] <jasonwc> I assumed you wanted hardware encryptoin due to overhead, so I just told you the overhead on modern hardware is minimal
• 3911[22:05:49] <jasonwc> Why else would you want a black box system?
• 3912[22:05:58] <SerajewelKS> if i'm reading this right, there are also backdoors that can be used by commercial forensic tools
• 3913[22:06:08] <nickgaw> well the drive was cheap at the time.
• 3914[22:06:15] <SerajewelKS> now you know why it was cheap ;)
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• 3916[22:06:22] <jasonwc> you can use veracrypt or dm-crypt with any drive
• 3917[22:06:35] <jasonwc> and both are going to give you hardware accelerated encryption with AES-NI
• 3918[22:06:41] <jasonwc> supported by any recent linux kernel
• 3919[22:06:44] <jasonwc> out of the box
• 3920[22:06:52] <nickgaw> the fact it only works in windows is not a major issue as I have windows 10 pro 64 bits I just was wondering if linux had a method for accessing it.
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• 3922[22:07:20] <jasonwc> I was just curious what was attractive about the feature in the first place :)
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• 3924[22:07:42] <nickgaw> so people who I don't want accessing my data can not access it.
• 3925[22:07:47] <SerajewelKS> WD has not given linux a means to unlock the drive
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• 3927[22:08:21] <jasonwc> nickgaw: I wasn't referring to encryption. I was referring to the use of WD's encryption versus a more open software solution that uses hardware acceleration on the CPU (pretty much all of them_
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• 3929[22:08:39] <conspacer> I have edited visudo (as root) adding timestamp_timeout=-1. Even after a reboot sudo users still get 5 mins timeout. BVery frustrating
• 3930[22:08:42] <conspacer> Jessie latest stable
• 3931[22:09:24] <SerajewelKS> nickgaw: the part we aren't understanding is how hardware encryption is a part of that requirement
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• 3933[22:09:35] <SerajewelKS> nickgaw: as though software encryption is weak
• 3934[22:09:53] <SerajewelKS> (on the contrary, software encryption can be more easily audited and proven to correctly operate)
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• 3936[22:10:21] <nickgaw> why should I have to install third party or any software to encrypt or decrypt the drive when if the drive had an open method I could use it are there any drives I can look into that do give linux access to their drives?
• 3937[22:10:22] <jasonwc> If anything, software encryption is far more secure
• 3938[22:10:25] <jasonwc> it's more likely to be audited
• 3939[22:10:53] <jasonwc> An expert can figure out exactly what the software is doing and the CPU provides the acceleration via AES-NI, so you don't even get a speed advantage really from the hardware solutions
• 3940[22:10:55] <jasonwc> they're just a black box
• 3941[22:11:12] <missmbob> nickgaw: we're not WD. it's their fault. asking why in here wont help much
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• 3943[22:11:30] <jasonwc> nickgaw: that was actually the question I asked. I believe there is an open standard, used in enterprise drives and SSDs, but I don't know what the support is on Linux
• 3944[22:11:34] <nickgaw> understandable so you are saying software encryption that encrypts the entire drive is better?
• 3945[22:11:44] <jasonwc> nickgaw: This - replaced-url
• 3946[22:11:49] <missmbob> nickgaw: that's what most of us use
• 3947[22:12:01] <jasonwc> i've seen it referred to as OPAL
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• 3949[22:12:34] <nickgaw> What good tools work with only the command line under linux but provide similar abilties as dead truecrypt?
• 3950[22:12:46] <missmbob> dm-crypt
• 3951[22:13:00] <SerajewelKS> nickgaw: that depends whether you need to access the encryption volume from other platforms (windows) too, or if it will only ever be used with a linux system
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• 3953[22:13:10] <nickgaw> is there a windows 10 equivolent?
• 3954[22:13:11] <jasonwc> FYI, OPAL - the open standard for drive encryption - IS supported on Linux
• 3955[22:13:13] <jasonwc> See replaced-url
• 3956[22:13:28] <teraflops> luks
• 3957[22:13:44] <jasonwc> replaced-url
• 3958[22:14:00] <jasonwc> I thin there is Windows support for LUKS
• 3959[22:14:35] <nickgaw> the entire idea is to be able to encrypt the data on one platform and then access it on other platforms like I can with my unencrypted drives.
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• 3962[22:15:10] <jasonwc> nickgaw: If it's just a secondary drive, Veracrypt replaces Truecrypt, and works easily in Linux and Windows.
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• 3964[22:15:44] <jasonwc> LibreCrypt can open LUKS encrypted drives, so that would even work with full-disk-encryption for your OS drive
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• 3966[22:15:52] <jasonwc> "Compatible with Linux encryption: dm-crypt and LUKS. Linux shell scripts support deniable encryption on Linux."
• 3967[22:15:55] <nickgaw> can I encrypt my drive with the data in place or will I need to reformat it?
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• 3970[22:17:12] <jasonwc> You would have to research that. I don't know.
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• 3972[22:17:51] <CutMeOwnThroat> what deniable encryption
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• 3975[22:18:22] <dragoonis> I want to use Debian Stretch on AWS - using one of the available AMIs
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• 3977[22:18:29] <dragoonis> Who's doing this already?
• 3978[22:19:01] <dragoonis> AWS has this - but i'm unsure if it's a good choice, bcoz it has 2016 on it.
• 3979[22:19:01] <dragoonis> debian-stretch-amd64-hvm-2016-09-23-08-48-ebs - ami-2f40bd40
• 3980[22:19:07] <dragoonis> and jessie (which is older) has 2017 version for it.
• 3981[22:20:07] <stoned> Just downloaded 1gb of debian packets
• 3982[22:20:12] <stoned> let the upgrade begin!
• 3983[22:20:22] <SuperTramp83> \o/
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• 3986[22:21:01] <CutMeOwnThroat> then it'll be a jessie with somewhat up-to-date security updates and a stretch/testing from last year
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• 3988[22:21:22] <SuperTramp83> nickgaw, pretty sure you'll have to reformat it
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• 3990[22:21:53] <nickgaw> If I were to encrypt it using bitlocker under windows can linux unlock those drives?
• 3991[22:22:30] <missmbob> nickgaw: replaced-url
• 3992[22:22:30] <SuperTramp83> nickgaw, what is windows? :)
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• 3995[22:23:36] <CutMeOwnThroat> SuperTramp83, basically closable holes in the walls of houses, I think
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• 3999[22:24:30] <SuperTramp83> I see.. Computers need to be defenestrated, which means either throw Windows out of the computer, or throw the computer out the window. :PP
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• 4003[22:24:57] <hp> What does "Windows" mean?
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• 4007[22:25:26] <g3t0r> Unstable OS probably
• 4008[22:26:50] <SuperTramp83> hp: a collection of malware probably
• 4009[22:27:01] <SuperTramp83> srry, no more OT.. :(
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• 4011[22:27:27] <CutMeOwnThroat> yeah
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• 4017[22:28:41] <nickgaw> does this channel not like talking about Microsoft windows operating system as lots of people want to access their data across operating systems?
• 4018[22:29:21] <somiaj> nickgaw: we don't support windows, though if the question was something like ways to access data on windows from a dual boot situation many would have some advise
• 4019[22:29:35] <teraflops> nickgaw: it's just this channel is focused on debian support
• 4020[22:29:50] <somiaj> but we try to sick to only supporting the debian boot of a dual boot, though things like debian can read ntfs with ntfs-3g or windows has drivers for ext4 is useful to know.
• 4021[22:30:03] <nickgaw> I wish to encrypt my hard drive in either linux or windows but have a method for accessing it from either operating system.
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• 4028[22:32:10] <jhutchins_wk> nickgaw: As far as I know, windows disk encryption is not compatible with linux by design.
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• 4030[22:32:34] <jhutchins_wk> nickgaw: There _may_ be windows versions of linux encryption programs.
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• 4032[22:32:55] <jhutchins_wk> nickgaw: A lot of OS software gets ported.
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• 4036[22:34:01] <frostschutz> well, truecrypt/veracrypt is supported by cryptsetup (to some extent)
• 4037[22:34:09] <SerajewelKS> veracrypt in theory works on both windows and linux, though i have not personally used it
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• 4041[22:34:56] <nickgaw> I was going to reinstall debian stable with LVM encryption but don't want to have to wait the several hours it takes to random out the drive before allowing me to do the restof the setup can you stop the process and just go on with the installation and not have to wait forever if I don't care about the old data?
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• 4045[22:35:25] <SerajewelKS> nickgaw: the purpose isn't to destroy the old data as much as it's to make the encrypted volume entirely opaque
• 4046[22:35:35] <SerajewelKS> (AIUI)
• 4047[22:35:37] <dannyLopez> Hi.
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• 4049[22:36:04] <nickgaw> understandable but what if I don't care and just want the quick encryption method is this possible?
• 4050[22:36:16] <SerajewelKS> nickgaw: if you are creating an encrypted volume over an old one, for example, an attacker looking at the raw data on disk could probably fairly easily tell which blocks are used by the encrypted volume
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• 4052[22:36:35] <stoned> /var/cache/apt/archives/nvidia-legacy-check_375.26-2_amd64.deb
• 4053[22:36:37] <stoned> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
• 4054[22:36:39] <SerajewelKS> nickgaw: it might be, i'm not sure if it is from the installer
• 4055[22:36:43] <stoned> it returns an error here
• 4056[22:36:47] <jhutchins_wk> nickgaw: I've seen that asked many times and I've never seen a positive answer.
• 4057[22:36:48] <stoned> I tried stretch upgrade
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• 4059[22:36:59] <stoned> jessie to stretch, and it fails on nvidia legacy check package
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• 4063[22:37:35] <nickgaw> so I guess the answer is to wait for the encryption to finish?
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• 4065[22:37:38] <frostschutz> if you turn your monitor 90 degrees the progress bar might go faster thanks to gravity
• 4066[22:37:39] <jhutchins_wk> stoned: You might ask in #debian-next on oftc.net - higher concentration of testers.
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• 4068[22:37:57] <SerajewelKS> nickgaw: that's what i would recommend. if all of the tools for accomplishing X also do Y as part of the process, i would be very hesitant to try to get them to skip Y.
• 4069[22:37:59] <stoned> oh right
• 4070[22:38:02] <stoned> It's n ot stable yet
• 4071[22:38:03] <stoned> just frozen
• 4072[22:38:08] <SerajewelKS> because the authors of those tools probably have pretty good reasons for trying to make Y happen
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• 4074[22:38:14] <dontknow> nickgaw, there is an option to not erase disk before encryption
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• 4076[22:38:25] <dontknow> at least in netinstall
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• 4079[22:39:10] <SerajewelKS> nickgaw: if you are doing this in the debian installer, note that the volume will not be accessible from a windows system
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• 4082[22:40:12] <stoned> Well I just did apt-get fix install and it's cointuing to setup the rest of the upgrade.
• 4083[22:40:18] <stoned> that was goofy.
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• 4085[22:41:39] <nickgaw> it is an internal drive not an external drive for the debian installlation the operating system drive so where is that option in the debian installer even at low priority I don't see it?
• 4086[22:41:51] <CarlFK> apt install nfs-kernel-server; then create /etc/exports; do I need to re/start the nfs server before clients can mount it?
• 4087[22:41:53] <nickgaw> to not erase the drive
• 4088[22:42:33] <CutMeOwnThroat> hm. maybe I should also enter the exciting world of testing while one can still fix stuff one cares about
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• 4096[22:45:31] <jhutchins_wk> nickgaw: I have never heard that there is one.
• 4097[22:46:07] <jhutchins_wk> dontknow: Do you remember where in the dialog that option occurs?
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• 4099[22:46:09] <dontknow> nickgaw, i don't know if graphical installer have that, but there is in netinstall. i think it appears if you do manual partitioning
• 4100[22:46:32] <dontknow> jhutchins_wk, ^
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• 4102[22:46:41] <nickgaw> I was using the net installation.
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• 4104[22:47:38] <dontknow> nickgaw, you do manual partitioning?
• 4105[22:48:15] <nickgaw> yes I used the used guided encryption to setup encrypted LVM first is that the option I should use?
• 4106[22:50:31] <jhutchins_wk> nickgaw: That's probably the answer, it would be under manual instead of guided.
• 4107[22:50:58] <dontknow> nickgaw, you need to choose manual partitioning. i installed jessie multiple times without erasing disk. but i don't remember where the option is
• 4108[22:51:08] <nickgaw> Just don't encrypt the boot partition and things should work ok if I setup encrypted partitioning then?
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• 4110[22:51:27] <dontknow> right. spare 250 mb for boot
• 4111[22:51:38] <nickgaw> yes
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• 4115[22:52:23] <nickgaw> but if I wanted the rest of the drive to be encrypted both / and /home is this possible or is it possible if I already have this setup to convert to disk encryption?
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• 4117[22:53:03] <mtn> what is the bot query to check to see if it is possible to build a backport of a package?
• 4118[22:53:08] <missmbob> there's no converting
• 4119[22:53:17] <missmbob> mtn: judd checkbackport
• 4120[22:53:23] <mtn> missmbob, ty
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• 4124[22:56:00] <dontknow> nickgaw, i don't get what you are saying
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• 4126[22:56:40] <dontknow> chose encrypt partition and set up for lvm
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• 4128[22:56:53] <dontknow> set up lvm
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• 4154[23:07:53] <SerajewelKS> honestly i don't use guided mode anymore because i know how it sets things up, and i like to do little tweaks here and there to the process
• 4155[23:08:06] <SerajewelKS> i enjoy setting up dm-crypt and lvm myself
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• 4157[23:09:09] <nickgaw> If I have my system setup just want to add encryption to my system is this possible where I will have to enter in a pass phrase to boot up?
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• 4159[23:09:30] <SerajewelKS> well, encrypting an existing volume isn't super easy
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• 4161[23:09:46] <nickgaw> but can it be done?
• 4162[23:09:57] <SerajewelKS> yes, provided you have sufficient other storage to hold the contents or an image
• 4163[23:10:13] <missmbob> iow, no. you backup and restore later
• 4164[23:10:17] <SerajewelKS> basically you have to make a copy of the volume (or its contents, or just the important contents), wipe out the original, create an encrypted volume in its place, copy your stuff back
• 4165[23:10:20] <nickgaw> so not with my data in place?
• 4166[23:10:32] <missmbob> no converting in place like i already said
• 4167[23:10:36] <SerajewelKS> no, and i wouldn't want to do that anyway because a power interruption could corrupt the volume
• 4168[23:10:47] <SerajewelKS> you would want a backup *anyway*
• 4169[23:10:56] <nickgaw> true
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• 4171[23:11:18] <dontknow> nickgaw, if you have data in your partition it will be lost
• 4172[23:11:21] <SerajewelKS> at which point, there really isn't any real reason to convert in-place vs nuking it and copying your stuff back, it's basically the same amount of work
• 4173[23:11:39] <nickgaw> nothing important is on the system just want to save time in the encryption process do I need to setup LVM in order to do the encryption if I reinstall stable?
• 4174[23:11:58] <SerajewelKS> you don't need LVM to do encryption but it doesn't hurt either
• 4175[23:12:23] <SerajewelKS> i use it just because it makes future expansion a hell of a lot easier if it's already there
• 4176[23:12:39] <nickgaw> If I wish to reinstall stable and do this disk encryption with manual partitioning of the entire system what options should I pick for the quickest process?
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• 4178[23:13:02] <SerajewelKS> LVM lets you do some interesting things like safely migrate volumes between physical disks *while the volume in is use*
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• 4180[23:13:26] <SerajewelKS> is in*
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• 4182[23:14:16] <SerajewelKS> if you don't really know what you are doing, i honestly would stick with guided setup and just let the long erasure process happen overnight
• 4183[23:14:31] <SerajewelKS> it's less likely you will have to do it over again because of a fuckup
• 4184[23:14:39] <nickgaw> Before I do the reinstallation is there a tool I can use to do a backup of the entire system either a file full backup or an image backup tool both partitions are ext4?
• 4185[23:14:56] <SerajewelKS> well, you can use tar or rsync
• 4186[23:15:26] <SerajewelKS> i'd do backups from the rescue mode of the installer so that you aren't backing up a running system, which can cause data integrity issues depending on what data is important to you
• 4187[23:15:48] <SerajewelKS> e.g. backing up a mysql or postgresql datadir while the DB server is running is almost guaranteed to corrupt your backup
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• 4191[23:16:27] <nickgaw> what tools should I use in the rescue mode to do the backup as I don't think ntfs-3g is supported in the installation system?
• 4192[23:16:42] <SerajewelKS> oh are you installing over windows?
• 4193[23:17:11] <nickgaw> no my external drives are all formatted as ntfs this laptop just has debian stable on it.
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• 4195[23:17:42] <SerajewelKS> i see, so you are wanting to backup your debian stable system to ntfs external volumes?
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• 4197[23:18:24] <nickgaw> yes to some type of archive or image file format.
• 4198[23:18:48] <nickgaw> Would buying another external drive and formatting it as ext4 be best?
• 4199[23:18:49] <SerajewelKS> if so, the gparted live CD replaced-url
• 4200[23:18:59] <SerajewelKS> that live environment does have ntfs-3g
• 4201[23:19:40] <SerajewelKS> nickgaw: you can but you shouldn't have to if you have enough free space on the external volume
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• 4203[23:20:14] <SerajewelKS> you can either image the partitions directly or you can mount them read-only and use 'tar --one-file-system -jcf destination source' to create a bzip2-compressed backup
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• 4205[23:20:41] <nickgaw> is the gparted disc console or X based?
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• 4207[23:20:49] <SerajewelKS> you pick when you run it
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• 4209[23:21:11] <nickgaw> I will have to look at that disc.
• 4210[23:21:15] <SerajewelKS> usually if i'm not going to actually run the gparted tool i will stick with console
• 4211[23:21:35] <SerajewelKS> or if X doesn't want to start on the hardware
• 4212[23:21:39] <jonkristian> JBD2: Detected IO errors while flushing file data on vda1-8 <- Is this something that can be repaired? It's a kvm lvm vm which got corrupted by os-prober during host updates.
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• 4215[23:22:08] <SerajewelKS> nickgaw: what i usually do for backups, i have a debian box acting as a file server and i'll actually pipe the tar output to ssh or nc, and take backups over the network directly to the file server
• 4216[23:22:27] <SerajewelKS> that way i'm not juggling external drives
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• 4218[23:22:51] <SerajewelKS> of course it sounds like you don't really have any other systems to send the backup to. in which case, using ntfs-3g should be perfectly fine.
• 4219[23:23:03] <SerajewelKS> i wouldn't expect it to be terribly fast, backing up to an external volume, but it should work
• 4220[23:23:33] <SerajewelKS> jonkristian: what is an "lvm vm?"
• 4221[23:23:42] <dontknow> nickgaw, here you can choose "erase data: no"
• 4222[23:23:45] <dontknow> replaced-url
• 4223[23:23:46] <nickgaw> Do you know if the gparted disc has either speakup or the orca screen reader as I am totally blind so use the talking installation method that debian provides? If it does not is there a contact form I could use to contact the developers on putting accessibility into that disc? I have a windows 10 pro 64 bit laptop as well could I not backup the disk image to it?
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• 4227[23:24:26] <SerajewelKS> nickgaw: honestly i have no idea, that's an interesting query
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• 4229[23:24:52] <SerajewelKS> i don't have a disc around to check on either
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• 4231[23:25:11] <nickgaw> Ubuntu has orca on it do any tools exist on that disc I could use?
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• 4233[23:25:18] <jonkristian> SerajewelKS, I meant LV parition, in reference to this: replaced-url
• 4234[23:25:19] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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• 4239[23:26:30] <SerajewelKS> nickgaw: possibly, but i try to stay away from ubuntu as a general rule :)
• 4240[23:26:39] <jonkristian> Just trying to find out if there's any way to fix these IO errors or if I have to just bite the bullet and set up a new vm and copy everything over. Lesson learned, I don't have a backup vm before it happened :/
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• 4243[23:26:59] <nickgaw> why do you not like Ubuntu?
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• 4245[23:27:14] <SerajewelKS> jonkristian: oh, interesting. TBH i'm not sure, i was just asking because i didn't understand that term.
• 4246[23:27:29] <SerajewelKS> nickgaw: i could write a book-length reply, but it's not really on-topic here
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• 4248[23:28:07] <SerajewelKS> nickgaw: side note, debian's live-tools provides a way for you to create totally custom live CDs fairly easily. i have done so before for various tasks.
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• 4253[23:28:27] <SerajewelKS> nickgaw: but this might be using a shotgun to kill a fly
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• 4256[23:29:07] <SerajewelKS> nickgaw: i will be back in a few (usually i don't say that when stepping away but we've been having a pretty in-depth conversation)
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• 4323[23:54:22] <xtuh> hi, what is a right place to put sh script that must run /usr/local/bin/file with params ?
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• 4325[23:55:27] <phogg> xtuh: Anywhere you like. Or, anywhere in PATH. Or, $HOME/bin is traditional.
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• 4328[23:57:05] <xtuh> that program must be available to all users in system, so i want to use some traditional place.
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• 4331[23:57:39] <xtuh> but $HOME/bin can be unavailable to the other users
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• 4334[23:58:20] <xtuh> phogg: any suggestions?
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• 4336[23:58:47] <tw> If it's a systemwide, /usr/local/bin is a nice choice.
• 4337[23:59:03] <memeka> where does debian stores core files?
• 4338[23:59:06] <xtuh> Thank you
• 4339[23:59:09] <phogg> xtuh: You have them already, or as tw says if you need any user to access it /usr/local/bin is fine too,.
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