• 0[00:00:12] <JetBalsa> sounded like I was talking to someone from a 50s radio station, it was strange
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• 2[00:02:02] <Shadow_7> mainframes were more of a 60s thing. Although didn't see widespread adoption until the 70s (outside of government anyway)
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• 5[00:03:15] <Shadow_7> Always nice to see code that hadn't been touched since the 70s on a Y2K project. Or been seen by anyone living.
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• 8[00:04:53] <Shadow_7> Fortunately the code that had to be moded based on it's disassembly assembler code, was assembler to start with.
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• 13[00:06:30] <jhutchins> Finally hit a roadblock. Grub was unable to install for UEFI. Debian is on (hd0,gpt7), and I can set that as root, set the kernel and initrd, but boot says "no suitble video mode found, booting in blind mode".
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• 16[00:07:03] <jhutchins> terminal_output shows spkmodem serial_* gfxterm cbmemc audio
• 17[00:07:16] <Shadow_7> jhutchins: nomodeset as a kernel parm?
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• 23[00:09:36] <jhutchins> Shadow_7: Nope, I don't think it gets that far.
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• 33[00:14:50] <Shadow_7> jhutchins: can you chainload another grub.cfg ? GRUB> configfile (hd0,gpt7)/boot/grub/grub.cfg
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• 36[00:15:46] <Shadow_7> jhutchins: might need to insmod part_gpt and insmod ext2 first to have it show up in GRUB> ls
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• 70[00:29:58] <jhutchins> Shadow_7: No, this was the first intall attmpt.
• 71[00:30:20] <jhutchins> I can list files on the partition from the grub command line.
• 72[00:30:33] <userro> libc6 is the problem. It is causing all the problems.
• 73[00:30:34] <jhutchins> I think I need to configure a mode for gfxterm, but no idea how.
• 74[00:31:29] <userro> didn't anyone get libc6 installation problems when upgrading to stretch?
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• 78[00:31:59] <missmbob> userro: i havent heard of it. i'm here about 10 hours a day every day
• 79[00:32:28] <userro> hm
• 80[00:32:37] <userro> it is probably a bug
• 81[00:32:40] <userro> then
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• 83[00:33:25] <userro> I've reinstalled it two times and I got the same errors
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• 87[00:36:06] <fsmithred> has anyone else gotten this message on upgrading the login package?
• 88[00:36:09] <fsmithred> unable to install new version of `/bin/su': Device or resource busy
• 89[00:36:28] <fsmithred> of course, /bin/su was busy because I was root
• 90[00:37:41] <userro> can we give normal users the ability to install packages?
• 91[00:37:56] <missmbob> no
• 92[00:38:17] <userro> :D
• 93[00:38:20] <missmbob> userro: you can give them sudo powers if that's okay
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• 101[00:42:31] <userro> may be older version of libc6 will work
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• 107[00:44:38] <bazhang> older version of libc6
• 108[00:45:00] <bazhang> that's a disaster waiting in the wings
• 109[00:45:28] <userro> oh lol
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• 113[00:45:51] <missmbob> i suggest you keep that phone on jessie
• 114[00:46:20] <userro> ok
• 115[00:46:45] <userro> I'll try 5.1 version of GCC instead of 6.3 version
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• 118[00:47:05] <userro> on jessie
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• 124[00:47:38] <baum> what do you need gcc 6.3 for? maybe your problem could be solved another way? userro
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• 127[00:48:13] <missmbob> seriously you said you wanted your phone to host something. why does gcc version matter?
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• 130[00:48:41] <userro> gcc has a file I need
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• 132[00:49:08] <userro> It is called GHXJSJS or something like that
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• 136[00:50:07] <baum> userro: did you already try to just install gcc locally?
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• 138[00:50:44] <baum> (i mean building it by yourselfe)
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• 140[00:50:45] <userro> yes it is installed but that file is not that version. It is in 5.1 version
• 141[00:50:56] <missmbob> if you must, a stretch chroot might work. then you dont have to worry about this weird upgrade problem
• 142[00:51:00] <userro> file name is GLIBCXX_3.4.21
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• 144[00:51:29] <missmbob> i have 6.3 and dont have that
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• 148[00:52:16] <userro> wtf
• 149[00:52:30] <baum> userro: do you have libstdc++6 installed?
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• 151[00:53:05] <userro> yes it was installed before I reinstalled the os
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• 154[00:53:50] <baum> well in this case i guess i'd just compile it on my own
• 155[00:53:57] <missmbob> chroot i say
• 156[00:54:25] <missmbob> but i still dont have that file :P
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• 161[00:56:07] <userro> ok
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• 167[00:58:00] <userro> I even forgot why I started doing this until you asked me. :D
• 168[00:58:19] <userro> this is so stressful
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• 170[00:58:42] <missmbob> userro: take a couple hours off and have a couple beers
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• 172[00:58:53] <baum> which is precisely why i asked, been there :)
• 173[00:59:35] <userro> :)
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• 197[01:11:02] <Shadow_7> jhutchins: normally I do debootstrap installs and update-grub takes care of that in a chroot. Although I tend to use another installs grub to boot it first time.
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• 202[01:14:36] <DeFender1031> was there an update to passwd and login recently?
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• 204[01:14:56] <missmbob> yes
• 205[01:15:08] <DeFender1031> where can I find details?
• 206[01:15:32] <missmbob> replaced-url
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• 208[01:16:08] <DeFender1031> thanks
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• 258[01:34:44] <tofutoon> With this hardware, I'm able to play and record sound on Ubuntu. I managed to get audio to play on Debian, but it no longer works. I'm trying to determine whether the current problem is with Alsa or Pulseaudio. lsusb and lspci correctly show my devices. What's the best way to diagnose alsa?
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• 262[01:37:15] <zykotick9> tofutoon: i'd start by running "alsamixer" from terminal and verifying that nothing has MM (for mute) and everything is turned up. also check F6 to change devices... good luck.
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• 272[01:42:31] <Shadow_7> tofutoon: cat /proc/asound/cards ... to make sure you have recognized and driver supplied devices.
• 273[01:42:42] <ubikite> anybody having segfaults running dnsmasq 2.72-3+deb8u1 version?
• 274[01:43:18] <Shadow_7> tofutoon: otherwise index 0 is the default and probably not the card you want. might be an input only device like webcam
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• 277[01:44:12] <tofutoon> Shadow_7: cat /proc/asound/cards shows my two cards. The first (index 0) is for audio playing and the second (index 1) is for my microphone.
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• 283[01:45:28] <Shadow_7> tofutoon: then check that it's not muted. If other daemons are in play (jackd or pulseaudio) make sure those are as expected
• 284[01:46:06] <tofutoon> Should Loopback be disabled?
• 285[01:46:10] <Shadow_7> tofutoon: otherwise $ speaker-test -c 2 -l 1
• 286[01:46:37] <Shadow_7> tofutoon: it's used for recording what goes out the speaker. Not many use that.
• 287[01:46:55] <Shadow_7> tofutoon: or do you mean the network loopback?
• 288[01:47:15] <tofutoon> In alsamixer, something is labelled Loopback. That is disabled.
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• 291[01:48:12] <Shadow_7> probably good to have it disabled. Likely to be the mic direct to speaker, which could cause feedback sounds
• 292[01:48:56] <tofutoon> Also, on my microphone card, Auto Gain Controll is off.
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• 295[01:49:56] <Shadow_7> tofutoon: also good unless you're doing a phone call. agc adjusts gain based on input signal
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• 297[01:50:54] <tofutoon> Shadow_7: replaced-url
• 298[01:51:14] <Shadow_7> Sounds like a fancy device. Haven't seen those options on my hardware.
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• 300[01:52:10] <tofutoon> Shadow_7: It's a $600 laptop from 2011, and a $60 microphone sound card from like 2007.
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• 302[01:52:47] <Shadow_7> I have an m-audio delta 44, and an m-audio mobile pre. Otherwise the same old boring hda-intel that everything has now
• 303[01:53:27] <tofutoon> Does the speaker-test suggest everything is working?
• 304[01:54:02] <Shadow_7> did you hear pink noise on left speaker then right ( -c 2 )
• 305[01:54:08] <tofutoon> No
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• 308[01:54:24] <Shadow_7> The -l 1 loops it once otherwise it loops forever
• 309[01:54:50] <Shadow_7> sometimes useful to let that go if you need to fiddle with levels or check pulseaudio
• 310[01:54:55] <tofutoon> Is that using just alsa or also pulseaudio?
• 311[01:55:09] <Shadow_7> tofutoon: whatever .asoundrc tells it to use
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• 313[01:55:48] <tofutoon> where is .asoundrc?
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• 315[01:56:12] <psychoticwarrior> onboard wireless card fails in kali linux how to fix?
• 316[01:56:20] <missmbob> psychoticwarrior: ask them
• 317[01:56:23] <missmbob> !kali
• 318[01:56:23] <dpkg> Kali Linux (replaced-url
• 319[01:56:29] <Shadow_7> in ~/ aka /home/{user}/ ...
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• 322[01:57:17] <tofutoon> Shadow_7: I don't have that file.
• 323[01:57:23] <Shadow_7> tofutoon: if using pulseaudio, use pavucontrol to configure it
• 324[01:57:43] <Shadow_7> tofutoon: you tend to have to create it, otherwise globals in /etc/sound/ or other places depending on distro.
• 325[01:57:57] <tofutoon> Shadow_7: I tried that. It doesn't let me modify things, and the microphone does not appear.
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• 327[01:58:25] <Shadow_7> tofutoon: cp /usr/share/alsa/pulse-alsa.conf .asoundrc
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• 329[01:59:07] <Shadow_7> tofutoon: is the user in the audio group? $(groups)
• 330[01:59:11] <tofutoon> yes
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• 332[02:00:00] <Shadow_7> tofutoon: are you trying to use HDMI audio?
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• 337[02:01:07] <tofutoon> Shadow_7: It doesn't matter to me whether I use HDMI audio or not. The system keeps setting the output to (HDMI) output, but that never works.
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• 340[02:01:49] <Shadow_7> tofutoon: $ egrep -r -i hdmi /proc/asound/*
• 341[02:01:53] <tofutoon> Shadow_7: The one time I managed to get audio output to work (on this system), I used Analog Stereo Output, but I can't seem to reproduce that.
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• 343[02:02:06] <Shadow_7> tofutoon: HDMI audio tends to be hw:0,3 but sound defaults to hw:0,0
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• 345[02:02:54] <tofutoon> Shadow_7: replaced-url
• 346[02:02:58] <Shadow_7> aka card + device. in the .asound rc it would look something like... defaults.pcm.card 0 \n defaults.pcm.device 3
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• 349[02:04:09] <tofutoon> This is the copied over .asoundrc replaced-url
• 350[02:04:20] <tofutoon> It's using pulse
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• 352[02:04:54] <Shadow_7> tofutoon: does pavucontrol give you options?
• 353[02:05:54] <tofutoon> In Configuration, there is Built-in Audio and AK5370 I/F A/D Converter. The latter only has the choice Profile: Off. The former has the choices:
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• 355[02:07:17] <Shadow_7> tofutoon: mostly the last tab on pavucontrol and disable anything you are not using. And on playback unmute make default, and adjust levels for that which you are using.
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• 358[02:07:56] <tofutoon> Analog Stereo Output, Analog Stereo Duplex, Digital Stereo (HDMI) Output, Digital Stereo (HDMI) Output + Analog Stereo Input, Analog Suround 4.0 Output, Analog Suround 4.0 Output + Analog Stereo Input, Analog Suround 4.0 Output, Analog Stereo Input, and Off
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• 361[02:08:22] <tofutoon> Built-in Audio is set to Analog Stereo Output
• 362[02:08:44] <tofutoon> There are 8 choices total including off.
• 363[02:09:21] <Shadow_7> tofutoon: mostly master unmuted and up, and PCM unmuted and up to hear sound
• 364[02:09:21] <tofutoon> AK5370 I/F A/D Converter only has choice off. My microphone is plugged into this card.
• 365[02:09:36] <jhutchins> Shadow_7: It looked like the installer attempted to install grub-efi and failed. Obviously it installed enogh that it loads the grub prompt, but if I pick Debian in the EfI menu it goes straight to the prompt. Fortunately, I can trigger the EFI menu, and if I choose Windows it starts defaulting to that.
• 366[02:10:04] <jhutchins> This is the kind of thing the old non-graphical bootloaders were meant to avoid.
• 367[02:10:11] <tofutoon> Shadow_7: What do you mean by master unmuted and up, and PCM unmuted and up to hear sound?
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• 369[02:11:06] <Shadow_7> tofutoon: should be furthest left channel in alsamixer
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• 373[02:12:17] <tofutoon> In alsamixer, Auto-Mute M is disabled.
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• 378[02:15:49] <tofutoon> Shadow_7: replaced-url
• 379[02:15:57] <Shadow_7> tofutoon: amixer (no parms... should say [on] if NOT muted)
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• 381[02:16:48] <tofutoon> Sorry. I didn't understand what you mean?
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• 384[02:17:47] <tofutoon> Where does it say no params?
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• 386[02:18:07] <Shadow_7> tofutoon: speaker and beep should probably be un-muted... "M" in alsamixer. (F1 for help). Beep might want to be 10% though.
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• 389[02:18:29] <Shadow_7> tofutoon: or is all your speakers on the headphone out jack? not line out or other?
• 390[02:19:07] <tofutoon> The laptop has speakers, and I have an ordinary headset plugged in. The monitor does not have speakers.
• 391[02:19:50] <Shadow_7> tofutoon: and you're using the headset? having it plugged it will mute the speakers and such depending on hardware.
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• 393[02:20:34] <tofutoon> Right
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• 395[02:20:44] <tofutoon> I have the headset plugged in.
• 396[02:20:54] <tofutoon> I unmuted those options. Thanks. Let me try it.
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• 404[02:23:43] <tofutoon> Plugging in the headphones causes Speaker and S/PDIF to be MM. replaced-url
• 405[02:24:00] <tofutoon> With that setting, I still have no audio.
• 406[02:24:47] <Shadow_7> S/PDIF is the digital audio output (optical?)
• 407[02:24:57] <tofutoon> I don't know.
• 408[02:25:07] <Shadow_7> Do the headphones work?
• 409[02:25:11] <tofutoon> No
• 410[02:25:21] <tofutoon> Yes, the headphones work.
• 411[02:25:30] <tofutoon> I hear system sounds.
• 412[02:26:18] <tofutoon> And, they worked earlier today with audio.
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• 415[02:26:55] <Shadow_7> tofutoon: odd that it shows up as intel cougar HDMI. lspci -nnk
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• 417[02:27:24] <Shadow_7> Just curious what the vender:device hex numbers are
• 418[02:27:47] <Shadow_7> could be usb based... so... lsusb
• 419[02:28:24] <Shadow_7> that [ffff:ffff] number is good for google-ing
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• 422[02:30:24] <tofutoon> replaced-url
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• 424[02:31:07] <tofutoon> replaced-url
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• 428[02:31:44] <tofutoon> 00:1b.0 Audio device [0403]: Intel Corporation 6 Series/C200 Series Chipset Family High Definition Audio Controller [8086:1c20] (rev 05)
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• 430[02:32:01] <tofutoon> is the internal audio card for speakers and headphones
• 431[02:32:09] <ffef> hi
• 432[02:32:12] <tofutoon> Bus 004 Device 007: ID 0556:0001 Asahi Kasei Microsystems Co., Ltd AK5370 I/F A/D Converter
• 433[02:32:21] <tofutoon> is the external USB device
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• 435[02:32:55] <ffef> what is the "admin" account for? why is it created by default/does it serve any purpose? is it safe to remove?
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• 437[02:33:34] <AlexLikeRock> why not exist Package nvidia-glx ?
• 438[02:34:06] <missmbob> AlexLikeRock: you dont have non-free in your sources.list
• 439[02:34:06] <AlexLikeRock> to strech
• 440[02:34:17] <AlexLikeRock> yes, i have
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• 442[02:34:35] <AlexLikeRock> replaced-url
• 443[02:34:49] <missmbob> oh, stretch. i'm not sure what replaced it
• 444[02:35:06] <missmbob> maybe asking the stretch people at #debian-next on oftc
• 445[02:35:07] <AlexLikeRock> i can not install NVIDIA DRIVER
• 446[02:35:18] <AlexLikeRock> * Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only).
• 447[02:35:23] <theraspberry> lol
• 448[02:35:26] <missmbob> AlexLikeRock: oftc not freenode
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• 450[02:35:36] <AlexLikeRock> ok
• 451[02:35:53] <Shadow_7> tofutoon: 8086:1c20 standard hda-intel chipset by the looks of it. Anything special about this setup? dell laptop?
• 452[02:36:24] <tofutoon> Shadow_7: It's an HP laptop. It's a vanilla Debian install.
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• 454[02:36:53] <tofutoon> After my upgrade from Ubuntu 14.04LTS to Ubuntu 16.04 LTS failed, I decided to install Debian.
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• 456[02:37:19] <tofutoon> I managed to get everything working except the audio.
• 457[02:37:23] <Shadow_7> tofutoon: do you want audio out the laptop speakers? or the HDMI connected display?
• 458[02:37:45] <tofutoon> laptop speakers. The HDMI connected display does not have speakers.
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• 460[02:38:01] <tofutoon> either the laptop speakers or the headsets
• 461[02:38:18] <tofutoon> depending on whether or not the headsets are plugged in
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• 463[02:38:46] <tofutoon> I actually had audio working. Then, I did something... and it stopped working on Debian.
• 464[02:39:00] <tofutoon> I was trying to get the microphone working, but that never worked on Debian.
• 465[02:39:42] <Shadow_7> tofutoon: are you using pulseaudio? do you want to use it?
• 466[02:39:57] <tofutoon> Ideally, I would like to use pulseaudio.
• 467[02:40:23] <Shadow_7> tofutoon: do you start pulseaudio manually?
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• 470[02:41:08] <tofutoon> no, but I was troubleshooting, and I tried the following replaced-url
• 471[02:41:25] <Shadow_7> tofutoon: did you accidentally try to start pulseaudio as root?
• 472[02:41:34] <tofutoon> yes
• 473[02:41:40] <Shadow_7> tofutoon: it tends to create /.pulse/ stuffs that get in the way
• 474[02:41:56] <Shadow_7> tofutoon: ls -al /
• 475[02:42:09] <Shadow_7> if there's .pulse there, delete it
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• 477[02:42:20] <tofutoon> No .pulse
• 478[02:42:32] <Shadow_7> tofutoon: .config or any .??? 's
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• 480[02:42:43] <tofutoon> No
• 481[02:43:16] <Shadow_7> tofutoon: if $(pgrep pulseaudio) returns a number/pid, kill them
• 482[02:43:35] <Shadow_7> tofutoon: ideally with $ pulseaudio --kill
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• 484[02:43:57] <tofutoon> {17:43}/usr ➭ $(pgrep pulseaudio)
• 485[02:43:57] <tofutoon> zsh: command not found: 1213
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• 487[02:44:10] <Shadow_7> tofutoon: but doesn't always work. otherwise reboot... might also want to rm the .config/pulse or .pulse/ stuff in ~/
• 488[02:44:26] <Shadow_7> tofutoon: the $() is decorative in that case
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• 490[02:44:48] <Shadow_7> tofutoon: a modern bash-ish for the `` of old
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• 492[02:45:20] <tofutoon> Should I reboot?
• 493[02:45:35] <tofutoon> I tried the following commands:
• 494[02:45:35] <tofutoon> $ rm -r ~/.config/pulse /tmp/pulse-* $ pulseaudio --kill $ pulseaudio --start
• 495[02:45:40] <Shadow_7> tofutoon: did you delete any stray pulse .config stuff?
• 496[02:45:54] <tofutoon> I delete .config/pulse
• 497[02:46:02] <tofutoon> ~/.config/pulse
• 498[02:46:13] <Shadow_7> tofutoon: then reboot... easiest way to start clean
• 499[02:46:19] <tofutoon> cool
• 500[02:46:37] <tofutoon> be back in 2 minutes
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• 510[02:51:37] <tofutoon> Shadow_7: I rebooted.
• 511[02:51:58] <tofutoon> FYI, the ~/.config/pulse directory was not recreated.
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• 514[02:52:17] <Shadow_7> tofutoon: You have to use audio first
• 515[02:52:43] <Shadow_7> tofutoon: use audio with pulseaudio running
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• 517[02:53:17] <tofutoon> Shadow: FYI, there is a /run/user/1000/pulse directory. I tried watching a Youtube video. There is no sound
• 518[02:53:35] <Shadow_7> tofutoon: I tend to pust "autospawn=no" in /etc/pulse/client.conf so I can --start and --kill pulseaudio to taste
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• 521[02:54:33] <tofutoon> Should I add that to the very end of the file?
• 522[02:55:04] <tofutoon> Oh, there's a setting.
• 523[02:55:34] <Shadow_7> tofutoon: I tend to copy the line, and comment one of them (original), then change the copy
• 524[02:58:06] <tofutoon> After adding that line, I get this error: replaced-url
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• 527[02:58:23] <tofutoon> I was also getting this error without the autospawn=no line.
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• 529[02:59:12] <Shadow_7> tofutoon: you'll get that first time, when it creates it.
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• 531[02:59:56] <tofutoon> The .config/pulse directory wasn't created.
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• 533[03:00:24] <tofutoon> ~/.config/pulse directory wasn't created.
• 534[03:00:30] <Shadow_7> tofutoon: pulseaudio --start ...then... pgrep pulseaudio
• 535[03:01:22] <tofutoon> replaced-url
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• 537[03:03:07] <tofutoon> replaced-url
• 538[03:03:28] <Shadow_7> so you have more than one running... not good... pulseaudio --kill ...or... kill -9 both those pids
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• 543[03:04:13] <Shadow_7> tofutoon: but good that they're running. so don't need to check /var/log/ stuff for why it wasn't running.
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• 545[03:05:20] <userro> wow finally it worked I'm so happy
• 546[03:05:28] <Shadow_7> tofutoon: once pgrep returns no pids, $ pulseaudio --start
• 547[03:05:44] <userro> thank you for helping me
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• 550[03:06:28] <tofutoon> As you can see, replaced-url
• 551[03:06:35] <tofutoon> One was started by Debian+.
• 552[03:06:51] <tofutoon> probably at boot time
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• 555[03:08:21] <Shadow_7> tofutoon: probably... mostly it needs to be started by the user who is going to use sound... Otherwise pulseaudio isn't so good about sharing without a network setup (even locally)
• 556[03:08:43] <tofutoon> Shadow_7: I killed all the pulseaudio servers and started with 'pulseaudio --start'.
• 557[03:09:05] <Shadow_7> tofutoon: and speaker-test -c 2 has output?
• 558[03:09:34] <coreutill> hello debian community! I am new to debian, so have a few very basic questions. can I install firefox instead of firefox ESR?
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• 560[03:10:08] <Shadow_7> coreutill: iceweasel is available and is basically unbranded firefox
• 561[03:10:13] <tofutoon> Shadow: No. It doesn't
• 562[03:10:29] <tofutoon> Shadow_7: I removed my headset.
• 563[03:10:42] <missmbob> coreutill: replaced-url
• 564[03:10:46] <Shadow_7> tofutoon: and pavucontrol shows default, unmuted, and all the level-ee stuff?
• 565[03:10:50] <tofutoon> Shadow_7: Just wanted to remove another variable and just use the laptop speakers.
• 566[03:11:05] <bibble> coreutill: also can just dl the latest tar.gz from website
• 567[03:11:20] <coreutill> Shadow_7, missmbob, thank you!
• 568[03:11:40] <coreutill> and icedove is unbranded thunderbird, as it seems? their use is identical?
• 569[03:11:45] <Shadow_7> tofutoon: now that you have it enabled... pulseaudio --kill... and speaker-test -c 2 -D hw:0
• 570[03:11:48] <tofutoon> Shadow_7: Built-in Audio defaults to Digital Stereo (HDMI) Output. The HDMI monitor does not have audio.
• 571[03:12:19] <Shadow_7> tofutoon: speaker-test -c 2 -D hw:0,0 (should go to speakers)
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• 573[03:13:14] <tofutoon> No sound output.
• 574[03:13:45] <tofutoon> Shadow_7: All I have are system sounds.
• 575[03:13:51] <Shadow_7> tofutoon: alsamixer -c 0 ...shows not muted?
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• 577[03:14:28] <Shadow_7> tofutoon: like beep? or other fancy system sounds?
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• 579[03:15:16] <coreutill> Shadow_7, typing iceweasel shows firefox ESR.. as bibble informs, I can perhaps dl both firefox and thunderbird from their sites
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• 581[03:15:31] <coreutill> bibble, thank you!
• 582[03:15:39] <Shadow_7> coreutill: iceweasel and icedove are basically the same thing
• 583[03:15:42] <tofutoon> Shadow_7: It works now. I noticed that it was muting the speaker and directing to headphones. I plugged in the headphones.
• 584[03:15:47] <tofutoon> Then, it worked.
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• 589[03:16:41] <coreutill> Shadow_7, but the former is the browser and the latter the mail client?!
• 590[03:17:00] <tofutoon> Shadow_7: It works after starting pulseaudio too.
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• 595[03:18:40] <coreutil> sorry, I needed to reconnect
• 596[03:18:56] <tofutoon> Shadow_7: The speaker diagnostic works, but I'm not getting sound in applications.
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• 600[03:20:46] <tofutoon> Shadow_7: Built-in Audio is now set to Digital Stereo(HDMI) Output. Only then does the speaker-test -c 2 -D hw:0,0 work. However, application sound still doesn't function.
• 601[03:20:56] <Shadow_7> tofutoon: try a .asoundrc of ... ctl.pulse { type pulse fallback sysdefault } \n pcm.pulse { type pulse fallback sysdefault } \n and the same for ctl.!default and pcm.!default
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• 606[03:23:06] <Shadow_7> tofutoon: basically from the pulseaudio over jackd wiki. It basically allows sharing and app defaults to choose pulse audio.
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• 612[03:27:40] <tofutoon> Shadow_7: That worked beautifully. Youtube now works.
• 613[03:27:55] <tofutoon> Shadow_7: Do you have a suggestion on getting the microphone to work?
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• 615[03:28:06] <coreutil> can I just remove firefox ESR and install firefox without 'consequences'?
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• 618[03:30:28] <Shadow_7> tofutoon: pavucontrol should have a recording tab. Might need to be recording to access it
• 619[03:31:12] <Shadow_7> tofutoon: otherwise you need to select the desired device on a per application basis.
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• 622[03:32:13] <Shadow_7> tofutoon: and certain things (like skype) only record from channel 1 (aka left channel). the only way around that is to record all channels until you include the one you actually want.
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• 626[03:35:03] <Shadow_7> tofutoon: for really old things there's alsa oss emulation, and aoss sound wrapper. Also for things like java there's a sound.properties thing that defaults to pulseaudio (4 lines), that can be changed.
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• 630[03:36:47] <tofutoon> Shadow_7: I see. Skype is in the pavucontrol application capture list. However, the microphone does not seem to be recording. I also tried 'arecord -d 5 test-mic.wav'
• 631[03:37:05] <tofutoon> Neither of these applications capture from the device, but the device is listed.
• 632[03:37:19] <Shadow_7> tofutoon: the mic being a different device has different mixer settings
• 633[03:37:24] <Shadow_7> tofutoon: alsamixer -c 1
• 634[03:38:01] <Shadow_7> tofutoon: tab on alsamixer to get to the capture (or all) settings
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• 636[03:39:01] <Shadow_7> tofutoon: but those settings should also be available in pavucontrol, baring device disabled, or other quirks
• 637[03:39:06] <tofutoon> Shadow_7: replaced-url
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• 643[03:42:06] <Shadow_7> tofutoon: I would turn off agc myself... and mic at about 70%
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• 660[03:48:43] <tofutoon> Shadow_7: I tried settting the Mic at 72 and the Auto Gain Control at MM.
• 661[03:49:04] <tofutoon> That still didn't allow the mic to work.
• 662[03:49:27] <tofutoon> Is there a way to test if the problem here is Alsa or Pulse audio?
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• 665[03:52:06] <Shadow_7> tofutoon: audacity and select the input in preferences
• 666[03:52:35] <Shadow_7> tofutoon: otherwise arecord has a monitor mode that shows levels
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• 669[03:53:20] <Shadow_7> tofutoon: audacity is probably better because you can adjust gain to see if there is a very soft signal
• 670[03:53:59] <Shadow_7> tofutoon: could be a button on the mic depending on what mic. pc power or phantom or whatever some mics need.
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• 676[03:57:50] <Shadow_7> tofutoon: seems like a standard mic, should just need to select the input.
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• 678[03:58:23] <tofutoon> Shadow_7: I'm not seeing any signal in audacity.
• 679[03:58:34] <tofutoon> Shadow_7: I tested the on/off switch of the mic.
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• 683[03:59:30] <Shadow_7> tofutoon: did you effect -> amplify ?
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• 688[04:01:03] <tofutoon> I tried amplify. All I hear is white noise.
• 689[04:01:08] <Shadow_7> tofutoon: arecord -V stereo -D hw:1 test.wav
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• 691[04:01:42] <Shadow_7> tofutoon: with ^C to kill it. Should have a meter that moves if it has signal
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• 694[04:03:19] <tofutoon> replaced-url
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• 696[04:03:43] <tofutoon> There's no moving meter.
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• 700[04:04:10] <coreutil> why does debian have firefox esr and not the common firefox?
• 701[04:04:35] <Shadow_7> tofutoon: arecord -D hw:1 -c 1 -r 48000 -V mono test.wav
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• 704[04:05:29] <tofutoon> replaced-url
• 705[04:06:52] <Shadow_7> tofutoon: add -f S16_LE
• 706[04:06:58] <Shadow_7> although not sure why that's not the default.
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• 714[04:08:43] <tofutoon> Shadow_7: That now records.
• 715[04:08:54] <tofutoon> However, it is stuck at 0%.
• 716[04:09:04] <tofutoon> Indicating there is no signal. Right?
• 717[04:09:27] <Shadow_7> tofutoon: otherwise the /dev/snd/pcm1c type things are the "c"apture device. Or indicating that the level is too low to register
• 718[04:09:39] <Shadow_7> tofutoon: might also try -r 44100
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• 720[04:10:32] <tofutoon> It's still stuck at 0% indicating no signal.
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• 724[04:12:02] <tofutoon> Actually, we have both a -r 48000 and a -r 44100
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• 729[04:12:32] <Shadow_7> tofutoon: ofc... 48000 is normally video bitrate and 44100 is cd bitrate
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• 733[04:12:51] <tofutoon> I see. Do we need both?
• 734[04:13:21] <Shadow_7> tofutoon: yes and no... Less cpu usage for 44100 for synth stuff since sound samples tend to be ripped from CDs.
• 735[04:13:34] <tofutoon> I see
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• 737[04:14:20] <Shadow_7> early version of pulseaudio were locked at 48000 and otherwise went full skynet on your if you didn't use that rate.
• 738[04:14:24] <tofutoon> Also, pulse audio's volume control shows no input devices.
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• 740[04:14:55] <Shadow_7> tofutoon: is the most right tab having it disabled?
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• 743[04:15:17] <Shadow_7> tofutoon: might need to unplug and replug it hotswap style to bring it to life
• 744[04:15:22] <tofutoon> The Profile says Off.
• 745[04:15:36] <Shadow_7> turn it on then... :)
• 746[04:16:18] <Shadow_7> (and prepare to lose your high end frequencies from feedback)
• 747[04:16:31] <tofutoon> It is on (I believe).
• 748[04:16:57] <tofutoon> There is a light on the audio card, and the microphone itself has a button that I turned on.
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• 757[04:18:53] <Shadow_7> tofutoon: cat /proc/asound/pcm
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• 759[04:19:37] <Shadow_7> tofutoon: it might be special like hw:1,2 and needs to be explicitly named
• 760[04:19:54] <tofutoon> replaced-url
• 761[04:19:57] <Shadow_7> typically hw:1,0 is playback
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• 764[04:21:16] <tofutoon> Is it not on my machine?
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• 767[04:22:06] <tofutoon> The cat /proc/asound/pcm command doesn't change depending on whether the mic is on/off.
• 768[04:22:15] <Shadow_7> tofutoon: it shows hw:1,0 as your input / capture
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• 770[04:22:29] <Shadow_7> aka 01-00
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• 772[04:22:50] <tofutoon> I see. And, it shows 00-03 as the playback.
• 773[04:23:04] <Shadow_7> tofutoon: that's likely the HDMI audio out
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• 775[04:23:19] <Shadow_7> tofutoon: egrep -r -i hdmi /proc/asound/*
• 776[04:23:27] <Shadow_7> don't need to see that output
• 777[04:23:48] <Shadow_7> the .../card0/pcm3p... == hw:0,3
• 778[04:24:05] <Shadow_7> where the ending p is playback
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• 781[04:24:51] <tofutoon> Yes 00-03 is the HDMI
• 782[04:24:57] <tofutoon> playback
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• 785[04:26:00] <tofutoon> Also, egrep -r -i hdmi /proc/asound/* does not show the capture device.
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• 787[04:26:12] <tofutoon> Oh... but it isn't hdmi
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• 789[04:27:17] <tofutoon> replaced-url
• 790[04:27:33] <tofutoon> That's the output of egrep -r -i capture /proc/asound/*
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• 795[04:28:57] <Shadow_7> tofutoon: that's an odd one... name="Mic Capture Switch" ...perhaps there's a push to speak button???
• 796[04:30:12] <tofutoon> There's an on/off on the mic.
• 797[04:30:21] <tofutoon> Let me change the position and rerun.
• 798[04:30:51] <Shadow_7> tofutoon: probably need to amixer that and check. $ amixer -c 1 | less
• 799[04:31:27] <tofutoon> The on/off doesn't change anything.
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• 804[04:34:11] <Shadow_7> tofutoon: Mono: Capture 78 [100%] [20.00dB] [off]
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• 808[04:35:18] <Shadow_7> tofutoon: note the [off]...
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• 810[04:35:37] <tofutoon> No matter what position the on/off switch is in, the mic does not work.
• 811[04:35:47] <tofutoon> Should I test the mic on another computer?
• 812[04:35:49] <Shadow_7> tofutoon: software setting... aka muted?
• 813[04:36:17] <tofutoon> Where?
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• 817[04:37:28] <tofutoon> replaced-url
• 818[04:37:35] <Shadow_7> tofutoon: amixer -c 1 sset Capture 78 unmute
• 819[04:38:16] <Shadow_7> not so sure about that command, but meh
• 820[04:38:44] <tofutoon> replaced-url
• 821[04:38:47] <Shadow_7> tofutoon: maybe one of the other mixer apps can dumb it down. gmix, kmix, ... ... ...
• 822[04:39:27] <tofutoon> After our pulseaudio configuration, none of the mixers show any output.
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• 824[04:39:30] <Shadow_7> in theory pavucontrol handles it though. fiddle???
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• 826[04:40:33] <tofutoon> The Profile says Off for the AK5370 I/F A/D Converter.
• 827[04:40:36] <Shadow_7> it all appears to be there and works (driver wise). Just need it on and leveled to a usable state
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• 833[04:43:31] <tofutoon> Shadow_7: With the manual pulseaudio config, all the KDE configuration tools stopped working.
• 834[04:43:58] <tofutoon> Audio and Video Settings - System Settings simply says 'PulseAudio Sound Server'.
• 835[04:44:43] <tofutoon> Also, the .config/pulseaudio folder is not being regenerated.
• 836[04:44:53] <tofutoon> ~/.config/pulseaudio folder
• 837[04:45:08] <Shadow_7> tofutoon: a reboot will likely get it back to a usable state. or restart X (control + alt + backspace), which isn't always enabled these days
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• 841[04:45:25] <Shadow_7> tofutoon: ~/.config/pulse/ is the folder
• 842[04:45:42] <tofutoon> I keep forgetting to type the ~.
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• 844[04:45:59] <tofutoon> But right, that folder has not been regenerated even after a reboot.
• 845[04:46:22] <Shadow_7> tofutoon: it generates when pulse starts / uses the soundcard.
• 846[04:46:34] <Shadow_7> tofutoon: unless your ~/ perms are hosed
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• 848[04:47:06] <Shadow_7> tofutoon: sudo chown youruser:youruser /home/youruser
• 849[04:47:17] <Shadow_7> tofutoon: sudo chown youruser:youruser /home/youruser/* ...and up up up
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• 854[04:48:11] <tofutoon> .config has permissions 700.
• 855[04:48:18] <Shadow_7> tofutoon: should need more than 3 /*/*/* deep imo
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• 857[04:48:57] <tofutoon> sudo chown -R myuser:myuser /home/myuser
• 858[04:49:00] <tofutoon> would do it.
• 859[04:49:05] <Shadow_7> tofutoon: it's more about the "OWNER" and "GROUP"
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• 861[04:49:16] <tofutoon> But
• 862[04:49:37] <tofutoon> We saw that pulseaudio was started as Debian+ user, and the .config has permissions 700.
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• 864[04:49:43] <tofutoon> Isn't that a problem?
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• 866[04:50:33] <tofutoon> But, I guess when we started pulseaudio manually, it started as myuser.
• 867[04:50:44] <Shadow_7> tofutoon: depends on how things are configured. I normally start with a min install. And never use KDE or Gnome
• 868[04:50:59] <Shadow_7> tofutoon: as it should... be as "your" user.
• 869[04:51:34] <Shadow_7> tofutoon: pulse doesn't share users without a network config. aka per user .config/pulse/client.conf that has default server = IP ADDRESS
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• 871[04:52:03] <tofutoon> Do you see why ~/.config/pulse is not being created?
• 872[04:53:36] <tofutoon> That seems to be a problem.
• 873[04:54:25] <Shadow_7> tofutoon: unplug and replug the mic and check the tail end of dmesg. $ dmesg | tail -n 20
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• 875[04:55:21] <tofutoon> replaced-url
• 876[04:55:49] <tofutoon> authkey.c keeps complaining that ~/.config/pulse/cookie does not exist.
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• 881[04:58:53] <Shadow_7> tofutoon: that kind of hints that root created the /.pulse/ stuff again.
• 882[04:59:20] <Shadow_7> tofutoon: otherwise pulse should create the .config/pulse/ and friends
• 883[04:59:34] <tofutoon> I see
• 884[04:59:48] <Shadow_7> tofutoon: aka file:///.pulse aka root filesystem
• 885[04:59:50] <tofutoon> pulseaudio is located in /usr/bin.
• 886[05:00:05] <tofutoon> It belongs to root and the root group
• 887[05:00:06] <Shadow_7> tofutoon: ls -al /
• 888[05:00:23] <Shadow_7> tofutoon: that's the "config" files for pulse
• 889[05:00:35] <Shadow_7> tofutoon: the /usr/bin/ one is the application...
• 890[05:00:48] <Shadow_7> tofutoon: don't mess with that one
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• 892[05:01:10] <tofutoon> There is no .config in /
• 893[05:01:54] <Shadow_7> tofutoon: when you try to start pulse as root it creates /.pulse/
• 894[05:02:11] <tofutoon> I'm starting pulse as my user.
• 895[05:02:12] <Shadow_7> tofutoon: not even .config in this case
• 896[05:02:31] <Shadow_7> tofutoon: but previously you fiddled. left over junk could be in the way
• 897[05:02:36] <tofutoon> There is no .pulse in / either.
• 898[05:02:47] <rangergord> what is the Debian policy on packaging a tool that is FOSS, but intentionally has limited features, to promote a paid non-FOSS full version that would be a separate download from a 3rd party website? Would Debian be OK with menu entries that are grayed out with a "Only available in Pro version" tooltip?
• 899[05:03:02] <rangergord> I couldn't see anything about this in the package policy document on the website
• 900[05:03:02] <Shadow_7> tofutoon: good... how about the perms on /run/.../1000/... aka the users IUD
• 901[05:03:06] <Shadow_7> UID*
• 902[05:04:22] <tofutoon> /run/user/1000/pulse belongs to my user.
• 903[05:04:29] <tofutoon> So do all the files inside.
• 904[05:04:48] <Shadow_7> tofutoon: it looks like many have your issue for that mic. With the only fixes being OSS and "old ways". Back in the /dev/dsp dinosaur days
• 905[05:04:53] <tofutoon> However, the only files inside are a 0 byte native file and a pid file.
• 906[05:05:47] <Shadow_7> tofutoon: mostly worried about owner:group on those. But not your issue it seems
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• 910[05:11:47] <Shadow_7> tofutoon: seems 44100 might be preferred. arecord -D hw:1,0 -f S16_LE -c 1 -r 44100 -V mono test.wav
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• 917[05:14:32] <tofutoon> So, should I install oss?
• 918[05:15:07] <tofutoon> Or perhaps, buy a new USB sound card.
• 919[05:15:16] <tofutoon> Fortunately, the sound card is external.
• 920[05:16:18] <Shadow_7> tofutoon: that mic is it's own soundcard. I use a battery box and a $10 mic on my system. giant squid audio labs. Although the battery box was $80-ish, but needed since my soundcard doesn't have plugin power.
• 921[05:17:05] <tofutoon> My mic and soundcard are separate.
• 922[05:17:06] <Shadow_7> I also have various mic preamps and pro-ish mics, but the $10 mic lasts days and is good enough.
• 923[05:17:43] <tofutoon> Actually, I could remove that soundcard entirely and plug the microphone into my laptop.
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• 925[05:18:16] <Shadow_7> tofutoon: the only hit I found relavent to you says to use kmix to select the mic for input. Otherwise there was a capture.pcm in a .asoundrc entry. Not idea if using pulseaudio.
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• 927[05:19:49] <Shadow_7> tofutoon: mhwaveedit seems to be a linux native recording app that supports pulseaudio. Although the apt-cache info says gtk2 based.
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• 930[05:20:58] <tofutoon> Ideally, I'm looking for someway to reset everything to a default state (and perhaps replace my mic's soundcard) or plug the mic in directly.
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• 932[05:21:08] <mrtrump> noop!
• 933[05:21:13] <mrtrump> anyone here using noop!?
• 934[05:21:15] <mrtrump> :)
• 935[05:21:21] <mrtrump> gods I love unix
• 936[05:21:54] <mrtrump> theres no free lunch
• 937[05:21:56] <mrtrump> lol
• 938[05:22:02] <mrtrump> I love free software
• 939[05:22:07] <mrtrump> I feel I benefit from it
• 940[05:22:15] <mrtrump> maybe I should donate
• 941[05:22:17] <mrtrump> more
• 942[05:22:34] <Shadow_7> tofutoon: with a 2nd machine you could line out to line in of the other soundcard. Not idea, but probably simpler.
• 943[05:22:44] <mrtrump> I love running my home rig with icewm
• 944[05:23:15] <Shadow_7> tofutoon: assuming the device works any better on the "other" machine. pi's are good for that, if you don't use gui's or resource hog environments.
• 945[05:23:24] <tofutoon> Shadow_7: any idea how to resolve .config/pulse/cookie not found issue?
• 946[05:24:22] <Shadow_7> tofutoon: pulse should create it. maybe kde doesn't use pulse? Otherwise find all the pulse/cookie files and delete them (or do a fresh install).
• 947[05:24:43] <Shadow_7> tofutoon: ideally with pulseaudio "stopped" $ pulseaudio --kill
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• 951[05:26:27] <Shadow_7> tofutoon: you could copy the cookie from other place, but it probably is unique and that wouldn't work. before .config/pulse, pulseaudio used .pulse/... and there was a period of conflict for a while where both existed and didn't play well
• 952[05:26:55] <Shadow_7> tofutoon: but that shouldn't be an issue unless your install is old and you've been upgrading from wheezy to jessie and maybe earlier flavors
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• 962[05:29:12] <tofutoon> There was a ~/.pulse directory. I deleted it. Let me retry.
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• 965[05:29:41] <Shadow_7> tofutoon: the .config/pulse is what the "new" versions use
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• 969[05:31:49] <tofutoon> After removing ~/.pulse and ~/.config/pulse and restarting pulse, pulse auto-generated ~/.config/pulse.
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• 971[05:32:01] <tofutoon> However, no cookie file was created.
• 972[05:32:03] <Shadow_7> as it should be
• 973[05:32:30] <tofutoon> no cookie file should exist?
• 974[05:32:34] <Shadow_7> you have to "use" the soundcard probably. and maybe stop/restart pulse
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• 987[05:38:16] <tofutoon> Shadow_7: Super cool. I just got a Skype test call to work with both audio and microphone.
• 988[05:38:55] <Shadow_7> excellent
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• 990[05:39:13] <tofutoon> One trick (amongst the many things we did together) was to remove the USB sound card and plug the microphone in directly.
• 991[05:39:34] <tofutoon> Then, I was able to configure things in pavucontrol.
• 992[05:39:51] <tofutoon> That sound card really interfered with things.
• 993[05:40:07] <tofutoon> Also, I had a ~/.pulse folder that was creating problems.
• 994[05:40:21] <Shadow_7> pulse is a bit of a pile, it doesn't like complexity
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• 996[05:40:47] <tofutoon> When it doesn't work out of the box, it's a horrible user experience.
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• 998[05:40:51] <Shadow_7> most pulse solutions is to disable everything you are NOT using
• 999[05:41:19] <Shadow_7> out of the box on a min install doesn't have pulse installed :)
• 1000[05:41:21] <tofutoon> In most cases, Debian engineering is far superior to Ubuntu.
• 1001[05:41:30] <tofutoon> But, some things... Ubuntu gets right.
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• 1003[05:41:53] <tofutoon> I don't know what they did with pulse, but it worked out of the box for me.
• 1004[05:42:03] <Shadow_7> ubuntu does do a good job with pulse
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• 1006[05:42:20] <Shadow_7> although fedora was probably my best out of the box experience from an installeer
• 1007[05:43:04] <tofutoon> It seems Debian could benefit from brining some of those configurations in from Ubuntu.
• 1008[05:43:28] <tofutoon> Fedora is like Debian. There's a lot of little things that don't work.
• 1009[05:43:34] <tofutoon> err...
• 1010[05:43:36] <tofutoon> I meant
• 1011[05:43:52] <tofutoon> Fedora is like Ubuntu. There's a lot of little things that don't work.
• 1012[05:44:08] <tofutoon> That's what I appreciate about Debian.
• 1013[05:44:18] <tofutoon> For the most part, all the little nuances work out of the box.
• 1014[05:44:33] <tofutoon> This pulse thing... kinda sucked.
• 1015[05:45:00] <tofutoon> I have yet to reboot and see if things will work.
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• 1017[05:45:45] <Shadow_7> I always find annoyances in other distros that drive me back to debian
• 1018[05:46:23] <Shadow_7> And I can do a debian install in about 15 minutes on a fast connection with fast storage
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• 1025[05:49:30] <tofutoon> Shadow_7: I want to thank you for all your help.
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• 1032[05:52:27] <tofutoon> Shadow_7: I never would have diagnosed those issues without your guidance.
• 1033[05:52:59] <tofutoon> Shadow_7: So, I definitely appreciate your help.
• 1034[05:53:19] <Shadow_7> no problem. audio is about the only thing I do well these days
• 1035[05:54:04] <tofutoon> But, you do it really well. You knew a lot of the ins and outs. It's also incredibly difficult to help someone when you're not at the computer.
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• 1037[05:54:29] <tofutoon> It takes another level of mastery to do that.
• 1038[05:54:30] <Shadow_7> But I am at the computer. My computer
• 1039[05:54:47] <Shadow_7> running debian with pulse over jackd
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• 1041[05:54:53] <tofutoon> I meant... It's easier to fix a problem at your own computer than to fix it remotely.
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• 1045[05:55:47] <Shadow_7> well in your case, a faster fix might have been a fresh install. microsoft 101
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• 1047[05:56:02] <tofutoon> A fresh install of what?
• 1048[05:56:05] <tofutoon> pulseaudio?
• 1049[05:56:21] <Shadow_7> the whole distro... to erase your previous fiddling
• 1050[05:56:36] <Shadow_7> And any upgrade paths
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• 1053[05:57:38] <CrazyTux> hello, what advantage does Debian have over Fedora or Fedora based distros?
• 1054[05:57:56] <tofutoon> Well... here's what I did. I did a fresh install of Debian. Then, I took the home/myuser folder of my previous Ubuntu install and copied it over. However, I replaced the .config dir with the one from the Debian install.
• 1055[05:58:03] <Shadow_7> Most of my installs are minimal so a reinstall with fresh all is often less than an hour. And 10GB less cruft on my install
• 1056[05:58:03] <tofutoon> Mainly, I wanted my old data.
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• 1058[05:58:24] <tofutoon> But, what about your data?
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• 1060[05:59:01] <tofutoon> And, I did this Fresh install about a week ago.
• 1061[05:59:13] <tofutoon> Took me almost a whole day to set everything up.
• 1062[05:59:23] <tofutoon> The last remaining issue was sound.
• 1063[05:59:23] <Shadow_7> CrazyTux: xinput allows the changing of enable 3 button mouse emulation. service --status-all works in debian. And a couple other annoyances I had with fedora 23
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• 1066[06:00:11] <Shadow_7> tofutoon: I do my fresh install to fresh usb sticks. The old sticks still exist
• 1067[06:00:30] <Shadow_7> They're less than $10-ish now and 32GB-ish and fast-ish now too
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• 1069[06:00:44] <Shadow_7> well, almost less than $10
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• 1071[06:00:59] <tofutoon> Interesting. I use a lot of space though.
• 1072[06:01:13] <Shadow_7> tofutoon: that's what external drives are for and mount
• 1073[06:01:15] <tofutoon> My home dir was almost 130 gb.
• 1074[06:01:35] <tofutoon> Yah, I should move away from one / partition.
• 1075[06:01:56] <tofutoon> I should do a a separate /home partition.
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• 1077[06:02:06] <CrazyTux> Do Debian live CDs work now?
• 1078[06:02:07] <Shadow_7> The main girth of my installs these days is the cache of a game. 11GB now. My installs are typically 6GB once bloated up
• 1079[06:02:33] <tofutoon> I see
• 1080[06:02:48] <tofutoon> Let me try rebooting.
• 1081[06:02:59] <tofutoon> and see if pulseaudio works as it should.
• 1082[06:03:03] <Shadow_7> tofutoon: also, I'll create a new user and move the old user /home to an external drive if I want to keep going on an old install.
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• 1085[06:03:25] <tofutoon> Makes sense
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• 1087[06:03:42] <Shadow_7> tofutoon: although with todays fast past exploit lists, I feel safer going fresh at least every 3 months
• 1088[06:03:53] <Shadow_7> pace*
• 1089[06:04:26] <tofutoon> That makes sense.
• 1090[06:04:50] <tofutoon> Do you work in the security space?
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• 1093[06:05:31] <tofutoon> Seldom have I encountered exploits... but some people I know got hit with ransomware.
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• 1096[06:09:10] <tofutoon> I guess the Debian Security team is pushing patches for security exploits all the time.
• 1097[06:09:20] <tofutoon> Need to reboot. I'll be back.
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• 1111[06:20:58] <Shadow_7> tofutoon: made it back I see. No, don't work in the security space. Just noticed a few oddities in my own systems despite being linux over the years. Like once I half installed the fglrx drivers and I was bleading out packets on port 53 (dns) at about 1/3rd dial-up speed.
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• 1113[06:22:12] <Shadow_7> I traced it back to atieventfd for sending the packets. And some extra entry that showed up in xauth. A very odd extra entry. Speedometer helped me realize what was going on so I could start killing things until it stopped. atievenfd won that contest.
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• 1282[07:00:03] <tofutoon> Shadow_7: That's interesting. Sadly, I don't pay enough attention to observe things on that level.
• 1283[07:00:23] <tofutoon> Tracing things through network layers would be pretty time consuming.
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• 1285[07:00:33] <tofutoon> at least at my level of skill
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• 1288[07:01:25] <mrtrump> the logic of levels
• 1289[07:01:29] <mrtrump> its powerful
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• 1345[07:40:55] <shalok> In `sudo dpkg-reconfigure tzdata`, what's the difference between 'UTC' and 'Universal' time?
• 1346[07:41:34] <shalok> Both in the 'None of the above' geographic area.
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• 1377[08:13:07] <han-solo> tail ?
• 1378[08:13:20] <han-solo> :}
• 1379[08:14:00] <jelly> maybe with -f !
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• 1394[08:18:18] <tofutoon> This pulseaudio bug, which was reported for Ubuntu, is also a problem in the latest Debian release. Anyone know if a fix is available for Debian stable? replaced-url
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• 1397[08:19:45] <koracain> i'm on jessie and want a single package out of sid(grsec meta) what's the proper way to do this so apt doesn't try updating everything to unstable?
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• 1400[08:20:23] <koracain> right now i've just got the unstable appended to /etc/apt/sources.list
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• 1407[08:24:17] <n4dir> The proper way is to not do it
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• 1410[08:24:49] <missmbob> !frankendebian
• 1411[08:24:49] <dpkg> When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. See if you can convince ##linux to help.
• 1412[08:25:37] <koracain> s/jessie/testing
• 1413[08:26:12] <koracain> i've done this before, it works fine i just don't remember how because i so rarely use debian
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• 1415[08:26:18] <n4dir> Oh. Testin? You will want to set testing to default, in /etc/apt/preferences or apt.conf, i forgot
• 1416[08:26:36] <n4dir> The bot has an entry about it, but i forgot the name of it
• 1417[08:26:54] <missmbob> if you're going to use sid you should go to #debian-next on oftc
• 1418[08:27:19] <koracain> i'm using the grsec kernel that's only in sid's repos
• 1419[08:27:26] <n4dir> there you go:
• 1420[08:27:26] <koracain> nothing else
• 1421[08:27:27] <n4dir> !tum
• 1422[08:27:28] <dpkg> «echo 'APT::Default-Release "testing";' >> /etc/apt/apt.conf», edit sources.list, copy your non-security testing lines and change one set to unstable, then apt-get update. Use apt-get -t unstable install foo; to install foo from unstable rather than testing as usual. WARNING to SYNAPTIC users: Synaptic ignores Default-Release: set Preferences->Distribution.
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• 1425[08:29:19] <koracain> there we go
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• 1445[08:46:46] <jelly> koracain: mixing stable with anything newer can result in a mess -- default release won't help you if a package pulls in extra dependencies. linux-image- may be a rare exception, or not. Don't expect to be able to install matching linux-headers.
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• 1450[08:48:49] <koracain> mixing testing with sid, it'll be ok jelly
• 1451[08:49:32] <jelly> ah, missed that
• 1452[08:50:07] <koracain> ya only problem i expect is with my vps being very tiny and crashing in the update XD
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• 1456[08:51:25] <n4dir> i don't think that apt-get operations use that much ressources. In case that is what we speak about ... so tired ...
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• 1461[08:52:25] <n4dir> doesn't it only unpack the deb file and put it all in place ?
• 1462[08:53:00] <koracain> 5gb disk 256mb ram it'll probably be fine
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• 1538[09:59:11] <sawk> hello everyone, i'm using debian jessie + MATE, but the bluetooth doesn't work really well with blueman. Is there a way to install other bluetooth applications or a newer version of blueman?
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• 1548[10:05:27] <xfred_> hey there.
• 1549[10:05:58] <xfred_> is there a way to apt-get ftpd without pulling (x)inetd ?
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• 1562[10:17:43] <themill> xfred_: (a) anything but ftp... it is 2001 after all. (b) the description of ftpd is quite relevant
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• 1604[10:46:38] <xfred_> themill: fair play. say proftpd
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• 1718[12:04:37] <skinnybo1> hi
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• 1734[12:10:26] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
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• 1795[12:52:34] <dutchfish> ah he is on
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• 1797[12:53:08] <dutchfish> JyZyXEL, about yesterday, i have another find replaced-url
• 1798[12:53:46] <JyZyXEL> dutchfish: i ended up having to reboot the machine anyways
• 1799[12:54:08] <JyZyXEL> for some reason my main storage array became (unreachable) afterwards
• 1800[12:54:09] <dutchfish> JyZyXEL, sure but look at that patch, just fyi
• 1801[12:54:32] <JyZyXEL> so something went badly wrong in the system
• 1802[12:54:43] <dutchfish> JyZyXEL, yes, probably
• 1803[12:55:01] <JyZyXEL> they are probably talking about ext4 encryption
• 1804[12:55:02] <dutchfish> JyZyXEL, its all the journalling confusion, i recall
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• 1806[12:55:44] <dutchfish> JyZyXEL, anyway, i wanted you to know.
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• 1809[12:57:22] <dutchfish> JyZyXEL, probably luks should have such a mechanism as well
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• 1811[12:57:46] <JyZyXEL> i don't think ext4 encryption has anything to do with luks
• 1812[12:58:26] <dutchfish> JyZyXEL, no, right. But the journalling has.
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• 1814[12:59:39] <JyZyXEL> only in respect to ext4 encryption, which luks is not
• 1815[12:59:48] <dutchfish> right
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• 1817[13:00:32] <JyZyXEL> i wouldn't even consider using it, knowing it still has infancy bugs
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• 1820[13:02:41] <dutchfish> JyZyXEL, that was not my point. My point is that ext4 is unaware not to use journalling in regards to luks.
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• 1823[13:03:33] <dutchfish> JyZyXEL, and only if journalling is being used instead of ordered data.
• 1824[13:03:51] <dutchfish> JyZyXEL, fyi
• 1825[13:04:27] <JyZyXEL> oh, so ext4 journaling is incompatible with luks backed devices
• 1826[13:04:39] <dutchfish> JyZyXEL, bingo.
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• 1828[13:05:02] <JyZyXEL> it doesn't really say that in the bug though?
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• 1830[13:05:20] <dutchfish> JyZyXEL, nope, but you can easely find out, if so.
• 1831[13:05:37] <JyZyXEL> wouldn't cryptsetup manual say about that?
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• 1833[13:05:46] <JyZyXEL> or some manual at least
• 1834[13:05:51] <dutchfish> JyZyXEL, i just only wanted you to know this. Its up to you to take it any further. Good luck.
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• 1837[13:06:41] <dutchfish> JyZyXEL, i discovered this by accident, debugging some other stuff.
• 1838[13:07:07] <JyZyXEL> my storage was mounted data=ordered and the backup was mounted data=writeback
• 1839[13:07:19] <JyZyXEL> no idea what that means in terms of journaling
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• 1841[13:08:17] <dutchfish> JyZyXEL, it should handle ordered mode fine, but i dont know about the witeback for luks, delve into that.
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• 1843[13:08:45] <dutchfish> JyZyXEL, but only after that patch.
• 1844[13:09:21] <dutchfish> JyZyXEL, i hope, this helps a bit.
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• 1846[13:10:03] <dutchfish> JyZyXEL, pickaxe that tree.
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• 1850[13:12:29] <JyZyXEL> ill only believe it if i find it documented somewhere
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• 1852[13:13:08] <dutchfish> JyZyXEL, dont believe me, find it out for yourself.
• 1853[13:13:12] <JyZyXEL> i've never heard of anyone disabling ext4 journaling because of luks, NEVER
• 1854[13:13:17] <Shadow_7> the code is the documentation?
• 1855[13:13:23] <dutchfish> right
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• 1860[13:16:54] <JyZyXEL> replaced-url
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• 1862[13:17:06] <JyZyXEL> "In short, ext4, xfs, btrfs and similar filesystems supports all features over dmcrypt."
• 1863[13:17:57] <Shadow_7> depeche mode had a crypt album?
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• 1883[13:33:34] <dutchfish> JyZyXEL, you made me curieus, so i will make a test setup to figure this one out with luks. What version of luks? the one from Debian/stable?
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• 1885[13:34:09] <JyZyXEL> dutchfish: yes cryptsetup/stable
• 1886[13:34:23] <dutchfish> JyZyXEL, fair enough.
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• 1890[13:35:53] <dutchfish> JyZyXEL, on my todo list is already luks/xfs ram bug, so i will take this one along. I had not many usecases so far, so its a long standing thing.
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• 1892[13:36:31] <JyZyXEL> well, i've ran nothing but luks encrypted ext4 systems since 2009
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• 1894[13:37:06] <dutchfish> JyZyXEL, oh, i believe you right away. I just wonder what happened.
• 1895[13:37:19] <Shadow_7> I mostly do ext4 or xfs, no encryption. But I just got my first ssd a month ago
• 1896[13:37:43] <dutchfish> JyZyXEL, and this one replaced-url
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• 1898[13:38:28] <Shadow_7> Although I don't like xfs when the system hard crashes. Need another bootable install to fsck it.
• 1899[13:39:02] <dutchfish> Shadow_7, xfs has now new extensions in the latest kernel, hence my tests.
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• 1901[13:39:54] <dutchfish> Shadow_7, in some corner cases xfs is king.
• 1902[13:40:30] <FinalX> on systems we don't use zfs, we use ext for boot / root, and xfs for a data partition
• 1903[13:40:50] <Shadow_7> It seems faster. But not having a clean recovery keeps it off / for me. And don't really like needing xfs_admin to set a custom UUID versus -U on mkfs
• 1904[13:40:57] <FinalX> (the latter on top of lvm, which is great .. it supports xfs out of the box so you can easily grow/resize xfs partitions, too)
• 1905[13:41:06] <dutchfish> xfs is excelent when it comes to streaming large backup images
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• 1910[13:41:45] <dutchfish> yes, on top of lvm
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• 1912[13:41:59] * dutchfish nods
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• 1916[13:45:13] <dutchfish> and it has been improved lately.
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• 1919[13:49:31] <Shadow_7> And we'll see those improvements in debian 9 ?
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• 1921[13:50:25] <dutchfish> Shadow_7, most of it, probably, yes
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• 1925[13:52:57] <dutchfish> Shadow_7, but that part is up to the maintainers.
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• 1927[13:53:30] <stoned> Hello morning time
• 1928[13:53:49] <stoned> I use screen on my local machine, but then I login to an ssh server, and I use screen in there too.
• 1929[13:54:01] <stoned> I'm having trouble managing two screens, one inside another. (gnu screen)
• 1930[13:54:11] <stoned> Does anyone ever do this? Have any tips?
• 1931[13:54:40] <stoned> if I try to switch windows inside my remote debian server, it will switch them on my local machine.
• 1932[13:55:21] <dutchfish> stoned, i send the screens to the background and take them over with another session, maybe i dont understand your question.
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• 1934[13:56:43] <unborn> stoned: you should always done your screens to backgound then come back from whatever os and bring out session back to your terminal..
• 1935[13:56:50] <stoned> My local debian desktop, i run gnu screen, and use a few shell windows. In window 0, I ssh to my remote debian server. Then inside this remote server, I run gnu screen. Now when I try to switch windows in this terminal, it won't switch windows on the remote machine, but on my local machine.
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• 1937[13:56:59] <stoned> The ctrl-a combination works in ohhhhh
• 1938[13:57:26] <stoned> The ctrl-a combination works in local machien takes over, and the one in remote doesn't respond
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• 1940[13:58:11] <stoned> If I start a separate local terminal *not in screen* and then ssh to it and use screen in remtoe, ti works.
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• 1942[13:58:24] <dutchfish> stoned, wasnt that crtl-a-d?
• 1943[13:58:30] <stoned> but if I have local gnu screen running, in addition to remote gnu screen running, it causes key combi problem
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• 1945[13:58:46] <stoned> dutchfish: any ctrl+a combination only works for local screen session, it never forwards th combo to the remote server
• 1946[13:58:50] <stoned> b/c locally it's screen running
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• 1948[13:59:20] <stoned> try yit, make a screen terminal, then in that terminal, ssh to a remote machine, then start gnu screen in there, and try to make more windows and nagivate
• 1949[13:59:23] <stoned> you'll see what i mean
• 1950[13:59:40] <themill> ^a ^a
• 1951[13:59:46] <stoned> oh
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• 1953[13:59:50] <stoned> really?
• 1954[13:59:53] <stoned> double ctrl a?
• 1955[13:59:57] <stoned> hunh.
• 1956[14:00:07] <dutchfish> stoned, i am doing that at this moment, no problem. As long as your locales are setup the same.
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• 1958[14:00:22] <stoned> hm. ok let me find out
• 1959[14:00:30] <stoned> if it works for you then i must be doing something not right
• 1960[14:00:54] <dutchfish> stoned, that is if i got your question right ...
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• 1963[14:01:47] <dutchfish> stoned, screen->make windows->send to the background->screen -R into on another remote->/windows balance.
• 1964[14:02:08] <dutchfish> *-s
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• 1966[14:03:17] <dutchfish> stoned, of couse, only for the screened locals.
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• 1968[14:04:35] <dutchfish> stoned, you can only take over the screens on that particular machine running in the background.
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• 1977[14:07:37] <cloudidair> whats the best news reader for debian?
• 1978[14:07:43] <coreutil> hello debian people, I'd like to install firefox on debian, but running './configure' gives 'bash: ./configure: No such file or directory'
• 1979[14:08:35] <themill> coreutil: it's already packaged...\
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• 1982[14:08:57] <cloudidair> it is?
• 1983[14:09:09] <BluesKaj> coreutil, which debian? Firefox-ESR is available for jessie and stretch
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• 1985[14:09:25] <cloudidair> isnt it seamonkey?
• 1986[14:09:26] <Shadow_7> cloudidair: usenet? pan is what I used long ago. But never liked that it stored credentials in plain text in the ~/
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• 1989[14:09:49] <cloudidair> yes pan thats it
• 1990[14:09:50] <coreutil> BluesKaj, I need usual firefox
• 1991[14:09:59] <coreutil> themill^
• 1992[14:10:08] <cloudidair> +1 for Shadow_7
• 1993[14:10:16] <coreutil> I mean the non-ESR one
• 1994[14:10:30] <themill> dpkg: tell coreutil about mozilla.debian.net
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• 1996[14:11:04] <cloudidair> is chromium available too?
• 1997[14:11:06] <themill> (so highly unlikely that you 'need' it... but it is certainly available)
• 1998[14:11:11] <BluesKaj> coreutil, what's the advantage of the regular over esr?
• 1999[14:11:28] <coreutil> themill, thank you :)
• 2000[14:12:06] <BluesKaj> I'm running google-chrome on stretch and it's working very well
• 2001[14:12:14] <cloudidair> im going to develop a script for mirck that lets you rate nick names
• 2002[14:12:48] <coreutil> BluesKaj, mozilla page defines ESR as being likely not to contain most recent updates, additions that usual version gets. in my particular case, I couldnt find some of the add-ons I needed
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• 2004[14:14:20] <themill> esr doesn't break things every 4 weeks, yes. I has the same addons available
• 2005[14:14:42] <BluesKaj> coreutil, try google-chrome, but not chromium, flashplayer doesn't work on chromium
• 2006[14:14:53] <coreutil> themill, then we dont use the same addons :)
• 2007[14:15:11] <coreutil> and I didnt have anything broken in firefox yet
• 2008[14:15:39] <themill> keep going with the vague claims. guaranteed to work best
• 2009[14:15:55] <coreutil> ?!
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• 2014[14:19:37] <lnxmntadol> anyone using cinnamon on debian?
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• 2026[14:25:28] <SuperTramp83> lnxmntadol, ask your question
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• 2029[14:26:24] <ByteStorm> doesnt stretch hav gcc 5.something
• 2030[14:26:32] <ByteStorm> i mean c++14 ?
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• 2032[14:26:51] <themill> gcc 6 is in stretc
• 2033[14:26:53] <themill> h
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• 2039[14:30:37] <dokma> Can any Debian package detect the language of text on an image? Tesseract apparently cannot.
• 2040[14:31:34] <Shadow_7> dokma: is text the only thing on the image? OCR ?
• 2041[14:31:34] <coreutil> when I check the signatures of mozilla maintainers, the key ID on the last line looks different
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• 2043[14:31:58] <themill> coreutil: what it says on their website
• 2044[14:32:02] <hexnewbie> dokma: You could run tesseract in all possible languages, then run language detection on the results
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• 2048[14:32:38] <coreutil> themill, the line on the website is 'sig! 54FD2A58 2010-11-20 Mike Hommey <mh@glandium.org>' whereas the one I get is 'sig! A6AA8C72 2010-11-20 Mike Hommey <glandium@debian.org>'
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• 2051[14:33:49] <themill> coreutil: so you've installed the pkg-mozilla-archive-keyring package as instructed then?
• 2052[14:34:07] <coreutil> themill, yes, I installed the deb package
• 2053[14:34:11] <hexnewbie> dokma: You could actually run tesseract with all languages at the same time, produce one file, then run language detection on that file (that would be less correct)
• 2054[14:34:19] <themill> coreutil: and what did apt-get update output?
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• 2056[14:35:54] <dokma> hexnewbie: I already tried that and it's not working. It produced some nonsense script on traditional chinese
• 2057[14:36:07] <coreutil> themill, it gave this: replaced-url
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• 2059[14:36:26] <dokma> Shadow_7: it cannot be predicted. It's a bunch of PDFs comming into a translation agency.
• 2060[14:36:47] <themill> coreutil: so other than using 3rd party repos that don't exist, what's wrong?
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• 2065[14:37:43] <hexnewbie> dokma: Which of the two did you try? Did you try tesseract -l ara+aze+...+chi_tra+... in a single run? Or a bash loop with the individual languages?
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• 2068[14:38:06] <Shadow_7> I ran OCR in debian on someone's resume that got a PDF from an agency that wrote it for them. But the pdf was an IMAGE, not a text document. It worked okay, aside from the regular mistakes of 1 ! I l and other confusions.
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• 2071[14:38:25] <coreutil> themill, I mentioned it. the key ID is different
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• 2073[14:38:53] <themill> coreutil: 'they key id' meaning what?
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• 2077[14:39:15] <themill> I'm struggling to guess what you actually mean from very little concrete information
• 2078[14:40:25] <coreutil> themill, all information is posted above. I posted what is shown on website, and on my terminal
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• 2080[14:40:56] <themill> what you have pastebinned just shows that nothing is wrong with mozilla.debian.net
• 2081[14:41:14] <coreutil> not the pastebin, the post before that
• 2082[14:41:39] <themill> real output from real commands, please
• 2083[14:42:17] <coreutil> this is what mozdeb site shows: replaced-url
• 2084[14:42:32] <coreutil> and this is what I get: replaced-url
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• 2087[14:43:24] <themill> thanks, I now have a fighting chance of helping you
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• 2099[14:47:24] <hexnewbie> dokma: I was thinking about something along the lines of: replaced-url
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• 2105[14:49:04] <themill> coreutil: looks a lot like two different subkeys used. That apt is happy means that the signing key on the repo is right
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• 2107[14:49:54] <coreutil> themill, where is it seen that it is happy?
• 2108[14:50:07] <themill> apt is very good at complaining if it is not
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• 2111[14:50:32] <themill> Like all unix commands, the absence of screaming is a mark of success
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• 2114[14:52:40] <coreutil> themill, ok.thank you
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• 2153[15:14:36] <dokma> hexnewbie: that's exactly what I did
• 2154[15:14:51] <dokma> my thought was that perhaps the ordering matters
• 2155[15:14:58] <dokma> but that defeats the purpose
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• 2157[15:16:08] <dokma> hexnewbie: only I had them as -l xxx -l xxx -l xxx
• 2158[15:16:15] <dokma> instead of -l xxx xxx xxx
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• 2160[15:17:04] <dokma> hmmm... now I see from the man page that they do have to be separated by a + sign
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• 2171[15:21:00] <dokma> hexnewbie: seems to be doing something different now... it's about 20x slower
• 2172[15:21:21] <dokma> probably because it's taking all those scripts into account when scanning
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• 2178[15:23:07] <hexnewbie> dokma: Given that there are 49 languages, trying them one by one (as in the loop) might have been of comparable performance. But it's possible that one of the languages are much slower. Besides, you've now forced tesseract to recognise all writing systems it knows.
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• 2182[15:26:25] <dokma> hexnewbie: unfortunately, being a translation agency I have no choice. most languages are equally likely to appear...
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• 2185[15:27:31] <dokma> hexnewbie: it did it correctly for Croatian this time... let me test chinese as well
• 2186[15:27:38] <dokma> but the speed is abominable
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• 2188[15:27:55] <dokma> especially since this was a 2 page PDF
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• 2190[15:28:27] <dokma> now chinese... 1 page jpg
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• 2199[15:32:54] <dokma> still working...
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• 2208[15:38:07] <dokma> yeah, unacceptable
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• 2210[15:38:29] <dokma> I'll try and drop some exotic scripts to gain some speed...
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• 2215[15:42:06] <coreutil> is there a way to install nixnote2 on debian? ppa method doesnt work
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• 2246[15:57:02] <coreutil> is there 'no' way to install nixnote2 on debian?
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• 2249[15:57:35] <pila> hello, i have several public servers with a static ip and 1 local server @ my home with no static ip. is there a way that i can mount my public servers hdd's or a specific folder on my local home server with some authentication for security?
• 2250[15:57:45] <pila> i want to transfer backups to my local home server
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• 2254[15:58:09] <Brigo> coreutil, it is in stretch, so you can
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• 2257[15:58:46] <n4dir> pila: what about sshfs?
• 2258[15:58:53] <Brigo> pila, yes, no problem with ips for that.
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• 2260[15:59:14] <missmbob> ,checkbackport nixnote2
• 2261[15:59:15] <judd> Backporting package nixnote2 in sid→jessie/amd64: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: qt5qevercloud-dev.
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• 2263[15:59:19] <missmbob> nope
• 2264[15:59:28] <pila> mhh does sshfs work with authentication?
• 2265[15:59:44] <UKn0Me> lol
• 2266[15:59:46] <n4dir> yes, with the same authentication like ssh does
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• 2268[15:59:55] <pila> oh lol, dumb questio
• 2269[15:59:56] <pila> n
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• 2274[16:00:26] <Brigo> missmbob, he was asking just for a way :)
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• 2277[16:01:15] <pila> so with sshfs, i manually "mount" all remote servers and then can access all data?
• 2278[16:01:16] <n4dir> pila: if it is only about backups, you might also go for rsync instead of sshfs.
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• 2280[16:01:30] <Brigo> anyway:
• 2281[16:01:33] <Brigo> , checkbackport qt5qevercloud-dev
• 2282[16:01:33] <pila> but i can only "pull" data, since my home server has no public ip
• 2283[16:01:34] <judd> Backporting package qt5qevercloud-dev in sid→jessie/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using jessie, jessie-backports.
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• 2286[16:02:04] <Brigo> pila, that's what a backup does.
• 2287[16:02:24] <coreutil> Brigo, is stretch already stable?
• 2288[16:02:32] <pila> okay i will try sshfs and rsync and check what is better for me
• 2289[16:02:40] <missmbob> coreutil: it's frozen. it's pretty stable
• 2290[16:02:59] <coreutil> missmob, but the download site still points to jessie?
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• 2292[16:03:12] <missmbob> coreutil: it's not released yet. it will be soonish
• 2293[16:03:13] <n4dir> yes, from local server do : sshfs remote_server:directory /media/backup; or from local server do: rsync -auv remote_server:/ /media/backup
• 2294[16:03:22] <coreutil> missmob, so I can safely use it for anythingß
• 2295[16:03:23] <coreutil> ?
• 2296[16:03:24] <n4dir> to give the idea, it is not the correct syntax, i assume
• 2297[16:03:33] <coreutil> missmbob^
• 2298[16:03:38] <missmbob> coreutil: personal, definitely. production, no
• 2299[16:03:55] <pila> thank you n4dir
• 2300[16:04:04] <n4dir> good luck, pila
• 2301[16:04:15] <pila> thats exactly what i was looking for
• 2302[16:05:03] <coreutil> missmbob, great, so I can just switch to it via release upgrade?
• 2303[16:05:14] <missmbob> !jessie-stretch
• 2304[16:05:39] <n4dir> for ssh i would use: non-default port, fail2ban, disable root account if possible (probably not in this case), use keys for authentication and a config file in ~/.ssh (for comfort with all the securtiy stuff). pilo
• 2305[16:05:42] <missmbob> coreutil: yeah, change jessie to stretch in sources.list then update then dist-upgrade
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• 2309[16:06:21] <missmbob> and wtf is every other factoid working but jessie-stretch?? i've tried three times
• 2310[16:06:42] <missmbob> oh damn. missed >
• 2311[16:06:43] <missmbob> heh
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• 2313[16:06:58] <missmbob> !tell coreutil about jessie->stretch
• 2314[16:07:04] <babilen> missmbob: It's the -> in there, you have to actually include it *and* address dpkg directly
• 2315[16:07:19] <babilen> dpkg: tell coreutil -about jessie->stretch
• 2316[16:07:37] <babilen> (IIRC it doesn't work with ! )
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• 2319[16:08:33] <coreutil> but mozilla.debian.net doesn't have non-ESR firefox for stretch yet
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• 2323[16:09:35] <coreutil> the only problem is with nixnote, can't I really install it in jessie in any way?
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• 2326[16:10:44] <jhutchins> ,v firefox
• 2327[16:10:45] <judd> Package: firefox on amd64 -- jessie-backports/firefox-release: 51.0-1~bpo80+1; sid: 51.0.1-3; experimental: 52.0~b8-1
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• 2329[16:10:56] <missmbob> i dont see a problem using sid's
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• 2333[16:12:32] <coreutil> should I select 'unstable' to download firefox?
• 2334[16:12:56] <missmbob> coreutil: no no. go to packages.debian.org and download the deb manually. then dpkg -i foo.deb
• 2335[16:13:18] <missmbob> coreutil: do that only *after* you've upgraded to stretch
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• 2338[16:14:18] <babilen> dpkg: ssm
• 2339[16:14:19] <dpkg> «echo 'APT::Default-Release "stretch";' >> /etc/apt/apt.conf», edit sources.list, copy your non-security stretch lines and change one set to sid, then apt-get update. apt-get -t sid install foo; to install foo from sid rather than stretch as usual. WARNING to SYNAPTIC users: Synaptic ignores Default-Release: set Preferences->Distribution. See <jum caveat> and use this setup to track <stretch> after its release.
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• 2341[16:14:35] <babilen> coreutil: ^ would be an option also (apt -t sid install firefox)
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• 2344[16:15:11] <missmbob> coreutil: here's the deb assuming you're on amd64 replaced-url
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• 2347[16:18:29] <coreutil> missmbob, is 'sid' not meaning 'unstable' ?
• 2348[16:18:39] <coreutil> replaced-url
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• 2351[16:19:01] <missmbob> coreutil: yes. the reason firefox isnt in stretch is because it's frozen. it cant get in. doesnt mean that firefox isnt okay
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• 2354[16:19:51] <missmbob> coreutil: no one is telling you to upgrade to sid/unstable. just firefox if you want
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• 2358[16:20:21] <veek> does debian have a tool for installs via the distro itself. eg: i run a standard debian install (i386) on usb so can i walk to another machine and install on that? (amd64)
• 2359[16:20:53] <coreutil> missmbob, I have no problem with firefox in jessie. my question was about nixnote install
• 2360[16:21:05] <pila> n4dir i installed sshfs and want to connect to my server. i made an entry in ~/.ssh/config with my path to private key and it still prompts me for a password :/ connecting via ssh to the same server i dont need a password
• 2361[16:21:23] <coreutil> since I was replied that it worked in nixnote, I checked and saw that firefox was not yet in stretch
• 2362[16:21:43] <coreutil> sorry, nixnote worked in stretch, I mean
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• 2364[16:22:37] <coreutil> but if firefox would also be fine, as you said, I can try it
• 2365[16:23:11] <coreutil> so I will only need to change sources list?
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• 2367[16:23:27] <coreutil> or apt.conf, too?
• 2368[16:23:32] <missmbob> coreutil: the only other option is to manually backport qt5qevercloud-dev and install the resulting debs. then manually backport nixnote and install those debs
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• 2370[16:24:03] <missmbob> coreutil: sources.list. from jessie to stretch
• 2371[16:24:11] <Xorin_5s5> How can I see what keyboard layout I'm using and how can I change it
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• 2374[16:24:54] <dvs> !tell coreutil about release notes
• 2375[16:25:15] <dvs> oh nvm
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• 2377[16:25:51] <n4dir> pila: not sure how the settings on the remote ssh-server need to be to first ask for the passphrase of the key. Let me upload my ~/.ssh/config , so you can compare.
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• 2380[16:26:20] <n4dir> replaced-url
• 2381[16:26:46] <coreutil> and without altering security lines in sources list, right?
• 2382[16:27:20] <missmbob> coreutil: change it to stretch. wont do anything for now but it'll kick in right before release
• 2383[16:27:24] <R2AMO> coreutil have you helloworlded today ?
• 2384[16:27:45] <coreutil> I helloworld everyday
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• 2386[16:29:01] <missmbob> coreutil: so then apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade;reboot and come back
• 2387[16:29:15] <R2AMO> i downloaded debian-stretch-DI-rc2-amd64-netinst.iso but mirror.yandex.ru repo still doesn't work
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• 2390[16:29:54] <pila> n4dir mhh... i still get prompted for a password :/
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• 2392[16:30:47] <n4dir> pila: sorry, i can't come up with a good idea right now. Perhaps share the command you used
• 2393[16:30:55] <pila> i think its a permission problem
• 2394[16:30:56] <coreutil> missmbob, underway :)
• 2395[16:30:58] <pila> wrong permission on my key
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• 2397[16:31:08] <n4dir> and the config ssh, after altering it so you don't reveal too much info
• 2398[16:31:23] <n4dir> the key is already stored remote?
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• 2400[16:31:40] <n4dir> well: you said so above, stupid me
• 2401[16:32:22] <pila> ok got it working now i think
• 2402[16:32:34] <pila> yeah, was indeed a wrong permission
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• 2404[16:33:00] <pila> thanks alot.
• 2405[16:33:05] <n4dir> hurray !
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• 2407[16:33:18] <pila> now i need to get it stable, what if it looses the connection? :D
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• 2409[16:33:41] <veek> does debian have a tool for installs that can be done via the primary install itself. eg: i run a standard debian install (i386) on usb so can i walk to another machine and install on that by using the USB? (amd64)
• 2410[16:34:03] <missmbob> !tell veek about preseed
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• 2413[16:34:44] <n4dir> pila: no clue. I only use it on the home lan, and here the connection is very stable. rsync would work around it (you would rerun the backup, but it would only sync the files it didn't sync already)
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• 2415[16:35:04] <pila> yeah i'm quite happy now
• 2416[16:35:07] <somiaj> veek: on the main debian.org page is an installer that can do eitehr i386 installs or amd64 installs. You ahve to manually pick which one at the boot though.
• 2417[16:35:12] <n4dir> perhaps there are even better options to mount remote, sshfs is easy and works for me, i don't know other solutions
• 2418[16:35:16] <pila> i configured it to reconect and check its alive status
• 2419[16:35:30] <pila> i think its great
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• 2422[16:35:41] <n4dir> cool.
• 2423[16:35:47] <pila> thank you
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• 2425[16:36:52] <veek> missmbob, i don't want an automated install.. i have my own usb debian OS running olwm so can i plug that into unknown hardware, boot up and run ./SpecialInstaller and have it download and install to the target disk the usual CD/DVD GUI way..
• 2426[16:37:00] <veek> somiaj, ah let me check thanks
• 2427[16:37:15] <missmbob> veek: oh, yeah, then what somiaj said
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• 2430[16:38:32] <veek> missmbob, thanks :)
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• 2435[16:40:09] <warrshrike> i installed llvm-3.5 with apt-get
• 2436[16:40:12] <warrshrike> now I need to set LLVM_HOME variable
• 2437[16:40:16] <warrshrike> but i cant figure out where apt-get installed it
• 2438[16:40:18] <warrshrike> any idea?
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• 2443[16:40:52] <dvs> warrshrike, dpkg -L llvm
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• 2445[16:41:34] <veek> ah hmm.. they give 'Small CDs or USB sticks' 'Tiny CDs, flexible USB sticks, etc' and 'Network boot'(PXE) those will be iso's.. i'm looking for an app/binary that I can run once I get to the targetmachine - which will have DSL etc
• 2446[16:41:43] <veek> but i'm stilll checking
• 2447[16:42:32] <qdb> hello . what is this ? what happened after linux update and grub reconfiguration? replaced-url
• 2448[16:43:06] <warrshrike> dvs: AWESOME!
• 2449[16:44:14] <veek> ah netboot! (maybe)
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• 2487[17:02:29] <Shadow_7> veek: debootstrap. Although you need to chroot to install a kernel and bootloader. And you need to be running a 64 bit kernel to chroot to a 64 bit install from a 32 bit distro. Baring qemu or less efficient ways.
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• 2495[17:06:18] <veek> Shadow_7, i'm installing debian-installer-8-netboot-amd64 debian-installer-8-netboot-i386 - maybe this will do it
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• 2532[17:23:04] <xgpt> Hey everyone. I'm currently looking at using a cheap android TV box as a low power server in my household. I want a CLI only distro that will run relatively headache free. I'm used to debian and am running that on an old Thinkpad right now, but energy bills are surprisingly high for a laptop 24/7. Has anyone used those boxes as servers/computers here? I'm not expecting a lot of power, just something that will run a LAMP stack and SSH ser
• 2533[17:23:13] <xgpt> looking for suggestions for distros and chipsets
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• 2548[17:32:07] <ilCyx86_64> Anybody here running an init system that's not systemd or sysvinit? Most of the ones I've encountered are either broken/unmaintained or are too much of a systemd clone.
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• 2559[17:35:03] <Shadow_7> xgpt: amd a10-micro 6700T... aka mint box mini pro... laptops tend towards 15W cpus, that one is a 5W cpu
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• 2561[17:35:39] <Shadow_7> xgpt: otherwise raspberry pi or other sbcs for lower power usage.
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• 2568[17:38:53] <n4dir> ilCyx86_64: runit, openrc and whatever Slackware calls it init system (rc or such). sinit is there too, i think
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• 2570[17:39:25] <ilCyx86_64> n4dir: do you use any of them?
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• 2573[17:39:50] <n4dir> as of now the Slackware one daily, openrc with gentoo in the past, and runit on dragora
• 2574[17:40:24] <n4dir> void linux comes with runit too, iirc
• 2575[17:41:20] <n4dir> truth to be told: to me any init system not being sysv is pretty much a pain in the butt (sysv mainly seems usable due to sysv-rc-conf)
• 2576[17:41:40] <n4dir> s/usable/easy
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• 2578[17:42:10] <Shadow_7> I used slackware for a short bit. Although I had to slap a debian stable kernel on it to boot it.
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• 2580[17:42:23] <ilCyx86_64> n4dir: I've been looking into using runit on my laptop(s), sounds like a bit of work.
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• 2582[17:43:25] <n4dir> sorry, i can't help you much with that. Here it works out of box, but if i want to do something (start a service, stop a service, add or remove it to automaticall start during boot), it's a big headache
• 2583[17:44:23] <n4dir> the last two years i was mainly busy trying distros which don't use systemd and get the head in their package-management system.
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• 2585[17:45:33] <ilCyx86_64> I was thinking about wrapping a lot of that stuff with scripts, it doesn't seem too complicated.
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• 2588[17:46:25] <n4dir> i for one still can't see what is or was wrong with sysv (but then: i really ain't got much needs when it comes to the init system)
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• 2604[17:53:59] <Shadow_7> n4dir: I recall some early days where udev was run in the wrong sequence, or several times to make sure other things in the process had /dev/ things to do their thing. On one knoppix setup, I had to move when udev happened to function. S##_udev ...
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• 2607[17:55:05] <Shadow_7> And then there was run level quirks. level 5 is supposed to be the GUI, but debian did GUI at run level 2.
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• 2644[18:07:18] <coreutil> missmbob, upgraded, thank you very much!
• 2645[18:07:21] <coreutil> thank you all!
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• 2648[18:07:46] <missmbob> coreutil: great. you're welcome
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• 2660[18:12:52] <coreutil> have a good day, ciao!
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• 2670[18:21:20] <Guest60693> hi
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• 2687[18:29:53] <jhutchins> Shadow_7: Those runlevels aren't standardized. There are common conventions, but no real standard. Debian never really implemented multiple runlevels, just the framework for LSB compliance.
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• 2691[18:30:14] <jhutchins> The equivalent for systemd is targets.
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• 2700[18:36:56] <davidl> I have a permissions issue. A user lool and group lool owns the folder /etc/loolwsd/ and all files in it but /etc is owned by root. This user can not view or access any of the files in this folder anyway. Why?
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• 2703[18:39:12] <Guest60693> On boot I'm getting an error saying that the OS requires a manual fsck
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• 2706[18:40:23] <Shadow_7> Guest60693: boot a live distro and give it a manual fsck. Some filesystems do that like xfs on /
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• 2710[18:45:05] <Shadow_7> Guest60693: settings in /etc/fstab can compensate for bad shutdowns for some filesystems.
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• 2713[18:45:56] <Guest60693> Basically I am using xenserver as a hypervisor and have an NFS volume mounted via network based storage
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• 2720[18:51:59] <mkonecny> Running on a Thinkpad T540P and upgraded to stretch a month ago. Yesterday my Wireless/wlan0 hardware completely disappeared form the OS'es perspective (lspci only shows a ethernet network). Have tried reboot several times as well booting with an older kernel (4.9 -> 4.8). Any ideas?
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• 2723[18:52:48] <mkonecny> Hardware in question is an intel wireless guard - I have also reinstalled iwl3945 firmware package
• 2724[18:53:01] <mkonecny> wireless card*
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• 2728[18:54:59] <mtn> mkonecny, did you do an upgrade right before this happened?
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• 2736[18:56:29] <mkonecny> mtn, yes I upgrade every other day almost
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• 2738[18:57:00] <mtn> mkonecny, two options for troubleshooting. look at what got upgraded. boot live disk and see if wifi shows up.
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• 2743[18:58:50] <petn-randall> davidl: That's not a standard Debian setup, /etc/ is usually 0755.
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• 2748[19:01:15] <mkonecny> thanks the live disk will be the first thing i try after I find a USB stick/blank DVD. I looked at what packages were upgraded yesterday, but couldn't find anything that might be the culprit: replaced-url
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• 2751[19:01:45] <mkonecny> mtn, msg above
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• 2753[19:02:25] <mtn> mkonecny, the live disk is the best option, to rule out hardware/bios problem
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• 2758[19:03:22] <davidl> petn-randall: ls -al for /etc gives drwxr-xr-x 183 root root 12288 Feb 26 18:59 .
• 2759[19:04:03] <petn-randall> davidl: Then your user 'lool' should be able to read + access /etc/.
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• 2766[19:05:59] <davidl> it can. but it can't access /etc/loolwsd which it owns. I can't cd to it and ls -al loolwsd shows d????????? ? ? ? ? ? .
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• 2769[19:08:04] <davidl> unless I login as root and then it works.
• 2770[19:08:04] <Shadow_7> davidl: if you couldn't access it, it would have said, permission denied.
• 2771[19:08:36] <davidl> it says permission denied for individual files in the folder.
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• 2774[19:09:22] <Shadow_7> davidl: and who owns those files?
• 2775[19:09:32] <davidl> the user lool
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• 2777[19:10:32] <Shadow_7> Is selinux in play? acl's and all that?
• 2778[19:10:58] <petn-randall> davidl: Sounds like uid lookups are screwed. What OS release are you using?
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• 2780[19:12:14] <davidl> Testing
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• 2782[19:12:29] <davidl> I did upgrade to testing just some days ago.
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• 2804[19:25:57] <davidl> Shadow_7 i have never used selinux so I can't say.
• 2805[19:26:19] <davidl> anyway, I have deleted the users and all their directories cuz it wasn't that important.
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• 2807[19:26:55] <petn-randall> davidl: Ah, welcome to beta-testing our new release!
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• 2810[19:29:24] <davidl> petn-randall thank you.
• 2811[19:30:06] <petn-randall> !debian-next
• 2812[19:30:07] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
• 2813[19:30:25] <petn-randall> davidl: Could you join this channel? ^^^ This is where all the other stretch users hang out.
• 2814[19:30:33] <petn-randall> (and ask again there)
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• 2882[19:59:13] <OS-26010> /msg NickServ IDENTIFY Drezyna12#
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• 2886[20:01:01] <BluesKaj> OS-26010, wrong place for that , try the server textbox
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• 2888[20:01:33] <BluesKaj> you might want to change you pw
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• 2890[20:01:38] <BluesKaj> your
• 2891[20:01:40] <OS-26010> shit
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• 2893[20:01:47] <OS-26010> ok I'll
• 2894[20:01:49] <OS-26010> :)
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• 2929[20:14:37] <cybrNaut> OS-26010: did you win the pw changing race, out of curiosity?
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• 2937[20:17:19] <offgrid> what is the current most popular python daemon module ?
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• 2942[20:18:44] <missmbob> offgrid: #python has a ton of people
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• 2981[20:30:50] <ac1dh0n3ycl0ud> Hey can anyone tell me how to configure X/gdm to start on boot after installing them via dpkg?
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• 2983[20:31:33] <Shadow_7> They should as a part of installation be setup that way. It doesn't auto-login though.
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• 2985[20:31:44] <ac1dh0n3ycl0ud> that's what I though but they didn't
• 2986[20:32:10] <Shadow_7> ac1dh0n3ycl0ud: maybe you have another installed? lightdm? dpkg-reconfigure might help
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• 2988[20:32:20] <ac1dh0n3ycl0ud> been there
• 2989[20:32:22] <ac1dh0n3ycl0ud> done that <3
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• 2993[20:34:25] <ac1dh0n3ycl0ud> oh wait it's failing to start
• 2994[20:34:34] <ac1dh0n3ycl0ud> nvm
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• 2999[20:37:18] <ac1dh0n3ycl0ud> thanks Shadow_7
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• 3006[20:38:44] <petn-randall> ac1dh0n3ycl0ud: Are you using Kali?
• 3007[20:38:48] <ac1dh0n3ycl0ud> nope
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• 3009[20:38:53] <ac1dh0n3ycl0ud> raspbian
• 3010[20:38:59] <petn-randall> !raspbian
• 3011[20:39:00] <dpkg> Raspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use #raspbian on irc.freenode.net for support. replaced-url
• 3012[20:39:11] <ac1dh0n3ycl0ud> really
• 3013[20:39:19] <petn-randall> ac1dh0n3ycl0ud: Try asking in there ^^^. I think they do some things differently with X11.
• 3014[20:39:30] <pila> someone ever worked with backupninja?
• 3015[20:39:38] <petn-randall> !ask
• 3016[20:39:38] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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• 3018[20:40:04] <ac1dh0n3ycl0ud> petn-randall I asked here because I'm curious because I've had similar issues in the past with debian
• 3019[20:40:27] <ac1dh0n3ycl0ud> and the answer here could have been interesting and worthwhile, if potentially irrelevant
• 3020[20:40:48] <missmbob> yes, irrelevant. go to raspbian's channel
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• 3022[20:41:02] <ac1dh0n3ycl0ud> well gee
• 3023[20:41:23] <ac1dh0n3ycl0ud> I'm not allowed to learn more about the interaction between debian and X?
• 3024[20:41:39] <nickgaw> Hi, I have a laptop that I travel with that has debian on it and was wanting to secure it so if I leave it open someone can't just copy files off of it it is totally text console based so no GUI what good tips can you suggest as the security manual does not really talk about laptops mainly servers and things I don't have?
• 3025[20:41:53] <missmbob> ac1dh0n3ycl0ud: your problem isnt with debian. raspbian is off topic.
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• 3027[20:42:11] <ac1dh0n3ycl0ud> I never mentioned raspbian
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• 3030[20:42:28] <ac1dh0n3ycl0ud> I was asking how to manually configure gdm3
• 3031[20:42:33] <missmbob> 13:38 < ac1dh0n3ycl0ud> raspbian
• 3032[20:42:42] <ac1dh0n3ycl0ud> should I instead go to #gdm3?
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• 3041[20:43:42] <missmbob> it's always so fucking hard
• 3042[20:43:50] <mtn> heh
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• 3049[20:47:17] <TomTomTosch> nickgaw: when using screen you can lock the console, similar to a gui screensaver. that can be handy sometimes.
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• 3051[20:48:04] <nickgaw> I have screen what would I push to do this?
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• 3054[20:48:26] <TomTomTosch> ctrl+a x
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• 3065[20:53:37] <eau4x6> isn't synaptic insane application running all of this replaced-url
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• 3076[21:03:22] <xaa> hi, could you tell me which packages you suggest for images optimization (png, jpg) on a debian server, please? optipng & jpegoptim?
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• 3081[21:04:55] <somiaj> xaa: what do you mean by image optimization?
• 3082[21:05:44] <xaa> reduce images size without loss
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• 3085[21:06:13] <xaa> for a webserver
• 3086[21:06:16] <somiaj> I wouldn't know of any better alternatives than the one yous you mentioned. I use imagemagick, it may have tools for optimization, but I'm not familar with them.
• 3087[21:06:32] <somiaj> imagemagick is a common tool I've seen on webservers for manipulating images.
• 3088[21:06:35] <xaa> ok thank you
• 3089[21:06:45] <somiaj> but those seem just fine for a webserver and may do what you need
• 3090[21:06:48] <ack0> somiaj: GraphicsMagic is great too
• 3091[21:07:39] <tw> pngcrush?
• 3092[21:07:40] <Shadow_7> imagemagicks convert normally. You could do the same with gimp and it's scheme scripting, but not for the meek.
• 3093[21:08:31] <tw> i guess that's the oldest, no idea the most efficient.
• 3094[21:09:17] <Shadow_7> if you're not after keeping png or optimization there's netpbm
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• 3096[21:10:16] <Shadow_7> recalling some format bng? that has a javascript plugin to make it supported in browser.
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• 3099[21:10:29] <nickgaw> I have a western digital my book with encryption turned on and on my windows 10 pro 64 bit system I first see it as a cd drive then run a program to enter in the password and unlock the ntfs formated drive are there any linux methods either official or unofficial to unlock that drive under linux?
• 3100[21:11:20] <Shadow_7> nickgaw: what is providing the encryption? the drive? bitlocker? ??? ???
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• 3102[21:11:53] <xaa> ok thank you all. I will give a first try to optipng and jpgoptim
• 3103[21:11:55] <nickgaw> the drive has an optional feature encryption that can be turned on and off.
• 3104[21:12:37] <Shadow_7> xaa: you could probably use ffmpeg to convert it for that matter
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• 3109[21:14:56] <tw> nickgaw: try running the unlocker in wine?
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• 3112[21:16:12] <nickgaw> I don't have X windows installed on this system. I could always unlock then turn off encryption but the reason I bought that drive is because of the encryption but I understand some Linux users points of view on windows only unlockers.
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• 3117[21:18:24] <ack0> nickgaw: what's exactly the program you run to unlock the drive ? And if it can be turned on and off (without data loss), it's maybe some sort of password protection implemented in the drive rather than encryption (but i'm just guessing)
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• 3120[21:18:55] <tw> ack0: it's self-encrypting. the disk doesn't even offer a MSD to the host until it is decrypted.
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• 3122[21:19:45] <nickgaw> it appears as a cdrom that autoplay opens up and you enter in the password but wd smart ware is the tool you use to turn on the password feature which takes only seconds to turn on and off but if you forget the password you are required to wipe the drive.
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• 3139[21:24:48] <ack0> nickgaw: ok so if i've understood well, it simulates an iso9660 fs with an autorun program which asks the password ? (and encryption/decryption is managed only by drive firmware, as tw said)
• 3140[21:25:23] <nickgaw> yes I believe that is the case as it takes seconds tot turn it on and off.
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• 3325[22:58:49] <ubikite> anybody having segfaults running dnsmasq 2.72-3+deb8u1 version?
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• 3330[23:00:31] <Brigo> ubikite, i am running it without issues. Have you checked the integrity of your system?
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• 3334[23:01:19] <petn-randall> ,v dnsmasq
• 3335[23:01:20] <judd> Package: dnsmasq on amd64 -- wheezy-security: 2.62-3+deb7u3; wheezy: 2.62-3+deb7u3; jessie: 2.72-3+deb8u1; jessie-security: 2.72-3+deb8u1; sid: 2.76-5; stretch: 2.76-5
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• 3338[23:02:14] <missmbob> ,checkbackport dnsmasq
• 3339[23:02:15] <judd> Backporting package dnsmasq in sid→jessie/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using jessie, archignore.
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• 3341[23:02:22] <missmbob> well there's that if you really cant figure it out
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• 3345[23:03:54] <Wzup> Hey. I'm downloading some stuff with the command curl. How do I check the status of them? Can't see if they are finished or not?
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• 3351[23:07:29] <Shadow_7> with -c like wget? and try to get again
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• 3353[23:08:10] <Shadow_7> not sure, I just use wget and it has a progress bar
• 3354[23:08:10] <Wzup> it says requires parameter
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• 3356[23:09:17] <Wzup> I normally do to but wanted to try out curl.
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• 3358[23:09:39] <Shadow_7> appears to be capital C in curl -C
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• 3362[23:11:06] <Wzup> it stil says I need a parameter. some value?
• 3363[23:11:27] <Shadow_7> have it as the last parm? it has an option offset value
• 3364[23:11:32] <missmbob> the parameter is the url
• 3365[23:11:41] <missmbob> curl -C replaced-url
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• 3368[23:13:07] <Wzup> expected a proper numerical parameter it says.
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• 3370[23:13:21] <missmbob> pastebin the full command and output
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• 3376[23:14:49] <Shadow_7> perhaps it's an implied default to continue
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• 3380[23:15:16] <Wzup> missmbob: replaced-url
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• 3384[23:16:13] <missmbob> oh that's continue at
• 3385[23:16:57] <missmbob> another reason why i never use curl. do you have anything against wget? wget -c replaced-url
• 3386[23:17:24] <missmbob> also:
• 3387[23:17:27] <Shadow_7> otherwise check the file itself. bytes, md5sum, and other things
• 3388[23:17:28] <missmbob> !whonix
• 3389[23:17:28] <dpkg> Whonix is a Linux distribution based on Debian, distributed as two virtual machine images. It is not supported in #debian; ask me about <based on debian>. replaced-url
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• 3393[23:19:58] <Wzup> I don't have anything against wget really. It is the same thing as curl when you download a file via https? How do I choose a certain path and certain name for the file I download with wget?
• 3394[23:20:01] <drupi> hi. I just installed debian minimal successfully. now I wonder how I can establish wifi connection from commandline
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• 3396[23:20:44] <Shadow_7> drupi: nmtui
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• 3398[23:21:02] <missmbob> Wzup: in wget it's -O for filename/path
• 3399[23:21:04] <Shadow_7> drupi: or wpa_password + wpa_supplicant + dhclient
• 3400[23:21:23] <Wzup> missmbob: ok. ty.
• 3401[23:21:26] <somiaj> drupi: you can configure wifi networks in /etc/network/interfaces though I prefer to use that with wpasupplicant, or you can use more core methods, or even a cli interface to networkmanager
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• 3406[23:22:13] <drupi> Shadow_7 somiaj ok thank you. will try wpa_supplicant
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• 3409[23:23:37] <cusco_> hello !
• 3410[23:23:42] <Shadow_7> nmtui is kind of nice. Versus missing that 2.4\ ... is part of the ESSID for over an hour.
• 3411[23:23:45] <ubikite> missmbob, i'm currently in backports version.
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• 3413[23:24:32] <cusco_> so.. a not supported app, binary totally agains debian's philosophy... and I still ask! App repports its log date time as 1h later than it actually is...
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• 3415[23:24:51] <cusco_> this happened when I reconfigured tzdata, as the whole system was 1 hour fast
• 3416[23:25:07] <jad2> hello, is there a debian 9 testing live cd available for download, I can't seem to find it ?
• 3417[23:25:08] <cusco_> any hints ?
• 3418[23:25:10] <Shadow_7> cusco_: no... me at a conference trying iwconfig and dhclient since it wasn't encrypted
• 3419[23:25:36] <Shadow_7> cusco_: nvm previous... dpkg-reconfigure tzdata
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• 3421[23:25:54] <cusco_> Shadow_7: iwconfig and dhclient should be enough then..
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• 3423[23:26:02] <cusco_> Shadow_7: I did! its correctly set
• 3424[23:26:23] <Shadow_7> cusco_: except when I miss elements of the ESSID. It was a really long essid
• 3425[23:26:47] <drupi> hmmm. systemd wpa_supplicant service is started. yet when I start wpa_cli I see "could not connect to wpa_supplicant (null) - re-trying"
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• 3427[23:26:55] <Shadow_7> nmtui gives you a nice ncurses drop down list to select from
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• 3429[23:27:09] <missmbob> jad2 no
• 3430[23:27:21] <drupi> Shadow_7: nmtui is not installed.
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• 3432[23:27:32] <missmbob> drupi: the package is network-manager
• 3433[23:27:35] <drupi> Shadow_7: and no other network connection available right now
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• 3435[23:28:08] <Shadow_7> That's why I like debootstrap... install all that network stuff before you reboot to the install.
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• 3437[23:29:21] <Shadow_7> drupi: second comp helps a lot with an ethernet to wifi bridge. The newer pi with wifi can be such a thing. Although still need a dongle and cable for client.
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• 3440[23:30:02] <drupi> well. I could also reboot into live debian and chroot I guess
• 3441[23:30:26] <drupi> still I wonder, wpa_supplicant service is up and running, yet I can't connect with wpa_cli. strange
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• 3444[23:31:09] <Derick> Hi! I am trying to figure out what is going on with the xfce4-volumed package in sid. It's listed at replaced-url
• 3445[23:31:13] <Shadow_7> drupi: I tend to manually do those things. kill -9 and wpa_supplicant -Dnl80211,wext -iwlan0 -cwpa.conf && dhclient -4 -v wlan0
• 3446[23:31:36] <Shadow_7> although you need a 2nd term for the later part, not &&
• 3447[23:31:52] <missmbob> Derick: it's there for arm64 only
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• 3449[23:32:10] <missmbob> Derick: also sid support is in #debian-next on oftc
• 3450[23:33:16] <Derick> Yeah, it shows up for other architectures at replaced-url
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• 3452[23:33:55] <missmbob> Derick: not for sid it doesnt. other archs are wheezy and jessie
• 3453[23:34:05] <Derick> yes, that's what I meant
• 3454[23:34:23] <Shadow_7> drupi: although probably need the $(service {service} stop) part these days versus kill -9
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• 3462[23:38:05] <Shadow_7> cusco_: maybe the app didn't get the memo on D.S.T., or tzdata is off for your region
• 3463[23:38:43] <Shadow_7> or some other UTC versus local time quirk
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• 3500[23:53:55] <putridp> Is it possible to edit a source between $apt-get source PACKAGE and ./configure? (i.e. I want to use the distribution's package's source as the basis for an edit.
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• 3503[23:54:31] <missmbob> putridp: yes. but the file you want to edit is probably debian/rules
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• 3507[23:55:30] <Shadow_7> putridp: ./configure && fakeroot debian/rules binary ... to make a package to install via package management system. plus maybe build-dep stuffs
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• 3509[23:56:14] <putridp> Thank you
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• 3511[23:57:15] <missmbob> Shadow_7: why not just dpkg-buildpackage ?
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• 3514[23:57:32] <Shadow_7> old habits
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• 3517[23:58:02] <Shadow_7> plus nice to know build things that might apply to other distros or if ALL you have is sources
• 3518[23:59:10] <Shadow_7> aka build steps are not always ./configure and make for more and more sources now.
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